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. • • . Sated his objections in a very a ble and a very powerful speech speech that was calculated to make a considerable impres sion, not alone from its own attractive nature, and the very sincere tone in which it was declared, but because it was sin gularly contrasted, both in argument and manner, from the speeches of such of his Hon. Colleagues who had discussed that great subject. But impressive as it certainly was, he trusted to would be able to skew that it should not drive him one inch from the ground he had taken. He should first re-affirm all that he had laid down in his original speech. With respect to the Hawkers and Pedlars being heard by Counsel, notwith standing the denial of the Right Honourable Secretary, he beg ged to say that he was supported by the Journals of the House, for having just perused them, he found that the entry specified the facts. He was equally borne out in the other precedents. On the Massachusets Bill, a Bill which, for state and imperial .Irpores, Went to interdi c t the whol e t ra d e an d int erc o u r s e o f Aely England with Great Britain and her other Colonies, the parties aggrieved were heard by their Counsel and Agents. Not only the parties aggrieved were heard, but the Traders of London and Pool • and not only these parties for their own in terests about to be affected—but the Society of Quakers also, Who appealed. to the justice of Parliament in favour of their fellow subjects of America, upon the principles of ao enlarged humanity.—(Hearthanked his Hon. Friend, the Mem ber for Limerick (Mr. Spring Rice), who never rose in that Rogge without giving strong proofs of his knowledge, and his love of country, for another precedent, completely in point, and which he (Mr. Brougham) had overlooked. It was a pre cedent of the Irish Parliament, and which, since the Union, Was binding upon the Imperial Parliament. In that Parlia ment, on a Bill alleged to be for the security of the Protestant succession, Sir T. Butler and Sir Stephen Rice were heard for themselves and others, against the provisions of that Statute, which declared that no man could hold any office who did not take certain oaths, and subscribe to certain declarations, oaths , and declarations to which th e y, as C a th o li cs , cou ld n ot con f orm . In that statute the Catholics were not mentioned, no more than t he Catholic Association was mentioned in the present Bill— and Yet the Legislature did not refuse to hear the parties ag gTieved.—(Hear, hear !)—The present petitioners knew well that the Association was the very object at which the present Bill aimed; they knew that its real object was to put them down, and by putting them down, to deprive the whole Ca thclic body ofits security and main stay. But we were for sooth told, that the Bill was not levelled against the Catholic Association. Against whom then, he asked, was the whole speech of the Right Hon. Secretary, the champion of the Bill, and its ablest defender, that night levelled ?—(Hear, hear!) — The Right Honourable Secretary, with the exception of the Right Honourable the Attorney-General, was the only man who has fairly grappled with the question. Where has lie rested it ? What was its basis ? Against whom will it be ap plied ? Here was the issue on which he met the objection. It was in vain to trifle with the fact. It was against the Catho lic Association, and that body only, that the Bill, as well as the speech of its Right Honourable defender, was levelled.-- (Rear, hear !)—lt was because that Association, increasing in Power and strength, and backed by the Irish people, from hav ing witnessed and felt the benefits of its exertions--it was be cause these petitioners had alarmed the jealousy and excited the fears, and, perhaps, the envy of the Executive Government, that they were to be extinguished by a penal enactment._ Hear !)—:.The Right Hon. Secretary had charged him with In consistence in now supporting the right of these petitioners, though in a case respecting negroes, he (Mr. Brougham) op- Puled the interference of Counsel. What was the fact ? In that case a highly esteemed friend—a friend of many years con nection, Mr. Stephen (the Master in Chancery) offered him self at the bar to be heard as Counsel. That enlightened man came forward - from his own humane suggestions. He was not connected with the parties—he was not employed by their blasters, neither was he directly interested ; he had neither With nor authority. But what similitude had such a case, ,Iyath. the present ? The aggrieved parties were now at your 4s ar•—(Hear, hear, hear !) —The negroes from Ireland were r,low waiting your ' decision. They declared themselves ca. ttltinniated and slandered, and in the name of coalmen justice, u,e,Y demanded to be allowed the opportunity of refutation.— in ear hear, hear !)—As to the supposed inconsistency aris ,l?g from the opinions he had expressed on the Bridge-street "r„"ng, he differed toto sago from the arguments of the other K 'oe• The inconsistency might have been supported had he t aken any measure to put down that Association by any penal s tatute. —(Hear, hear !)—Did he ever propo se or propose d any re straining Bill to extinguish it ?—(Hear, hear !)—No ; much as he censured the motives and objects, he still thought that by the mere enforcement of Constitutional Law a termination Foula abe_s_put to the efforts of jobbing, mercena r y a nd meddl ing cin g - (Hear, hear, hear !)—He came now to the main uSrecrguin• entv and here he must say, that the Right Honourable s _ eLary ( fi r. Peel) d id not keep his word by uniting him te fto the i mme di ate quest i on i n de b ate. But i t was perhaps 9 be a ccounted for by the example given by his Majesty's So licitor-G enera l, who had that evening favoured them with a sePeech, which was evidently intended for the four ni g ht s ' dis tssi°n•—(A laugh.)—But to this conclusion did th e Ri g ht Honourable Secretary come. " I dare not," said he, " for Your cloud of witnesses, I will listen to no refutation, I want penther proofs, neither shall this House receive any docu ts'_ And yet there is strong reason to believe that the parliament were very near having laid before them some do ;n'ents. It was supposed disorderly to know what passed 1 another place; and yet it had gone abroad, indeed it had be en heard by Members of that House, that by a Minister .?,1 the Crown the present bill was declared to be not an cnglish, buts an Irish measure. Perhaps the difficulty 7as to ascertain from wh a t p or tion of th e I r i s h Govern liment it proceeded, as that Government was of as diversified ~chequered a composition as the Cabinet of Great Britain. t ( 1, t his," continued 111 r. Broug;ham," I am quite certain, that „," the measure came to the English Government, recommend -1:4 hY the Noble Lord at the head of the Government of Ire ; if it had the sanction of the Right Hon. the Attorney. zeneral for Ireland, whose honest sincerity in the Catholic b U se I never have doubted, and never can doubt, until lie, his conduct, compel me to doubt it (and although confi ,`_lence is said to be a plant of slow growth, so also with me is mis trust)--if 1 say there exist in the office of the British Govern. is Is a d ocument from the Irish Government recommending :!s measure, it is not the only document respecting it which 11 1 their possession. I have no doubt whatever that events oz,ltt circumstances induced the Noble Marquis to advise in adoption of such a proceeding as that which is now bq Progress through this House ; by the same courier which 0 1 ;.? 1 ,-ight that advice, was also brought an urgent representation oLtne necessity of accompanying the measure of severity with h 7 of conciliation. If so , tho se h ave mu ch to answ e r fo r wh o sr e suppressed the milder part of the communication ; those Much to answer for who have stated the severer, uncoil f;,.eQ with the mitigatinr , portion of the recommendation. They 41'elnuch to answer for to the country, they have not a little to a nswer fo , for to the House, but they have most of all to answer for to the Noble Marquess at the head of the Irish Govern 6rt, and to the Right Honourable his Majesty's Attorney. 4 . 7_0. for Ireland, in making them appear, contrary to their i i "° ,l rn and recorded principles, to recommend measures tool arshness, unaccompanied by any mitigation, unac ast4auied by any qualification, unaccompanied by any ote, unaccompanied, in short, by Catholic Emancipa. eeou,(llear !)— Sir, the Bill before the House pronounces the t o e e emnation of the Catholic Association. It puts that body righ t ut il• But, before it is thus doomed to destruction, it has a ti eo to be heard in its exculpation and defence. The Associa. Me lt toe ,charged with instituting prosecutions, with sending tion, ando ial under all the disadvantage of a previous investlga- Ass_c.under all the odium of a declaration on the part of the b oar ; lation of their guilt. As if such things had never, been before! The Right Hon. Gentleman has said, that th e ‘ ` ) IY subsc r ib ers to the Rent might be on the Jury ; and, by th e "Ye, he observed, that in this country those who paid for rot, t ro secution could not be witnesses, appealing to myself and of/hrarned Friends on this side of the House for the accuracy bate ; °Pinion. As regards myself, the appeal was unfortu crieoiJor in answer to it I must say, that the expences of a p ms nal Prosecution in this country are generally paid by the !tit tl e : 11 t° 1 ', and . yet that nevertheless he is a very competent Dy til s on the trial. However let that pass. But we are told t :vvee ieußtteight Hon. Gentleman that the Catholic Association outraged the spirit of British jurisprudence, and wi t h Conducted their proceedings in a manner inconsistent and a_ u !tice and impartiality, by their previous investigation th e y _.claration of the guilt of the individuals against whom ple'ollstatuted prosecutions. Is it so? A similar practice takes Ih this the most ordinary , proceedings of the Criminal Courts of Tuntry, even in the highest of those Courts—the Court nli e — ( pg 8 Bench ; for there, when a criminal information is ap tb I °r, under a Statute passed in the best times for the liberty !,subject, namely, in the early part of the reign of William ‘ lo Miediately after that Act, the credit of which, by a mannige blunder, has so frequently been given to his late Majesty sat of e r the, Act by which the Judges were rendered independ whot Crown), when an ex-Vicio information is moved for, ;rim e ,'"u°ws ? A speech enforcing the guilt of the accused is by the Counsel; and though the rule may be refused,that V7,tl is repeated and published in the newspapers, and the in person is thus libelled without the possibility of remedy. 1 ,4, 1 he rule should not be refused, and the trial take place, a b a' a 29Pens ? The party having been heard against the rule, reply,",,,! nc ..ulpatoryspeecli having been made in the shape of a the sue tour Judges deliberately give their . opinion!, one after ponroutther, Which opinions' are also published. So that the a s ra who is accused goes to the Petty Jury with all this sten Lu r ° IY published accusatory matter, hanging ltaantranill h,._ F orind his neck. But, Sir, with all these disc ges, seenno chance of escape ?—A very great one. I have never Yeta cas e in which a person has been tried on a criminal " 1 rala tlon, on a rule obtained in the Court of King's Bench, in which there' liars not been 'it faVourable disposition towards hint in the Court. There is:: tendency to bear him up. It is the same thing when this House causes any criminal proceed.: ing to be instituted. The party, in that case, goes to trial with all the impression that can be created by a previous vote of the House, declaring him guilty of the charge pre ferred against him, and instructing the Attorney-General to prosecute him accordingly. The speeches made in the House,. in aggravation of his guilt, are published in_ all the newspapers. . But does , that produce any injurious effect on the accused ? The instances are rare in which they have been convicted. Sir, ought not the same thing to take place with respect to those persons who are prosecuted by the Catholic Association ? They send a man to trial with the same advantage of a disposition on the part of the Court in his favour because he is so sent. Nay, he has a greater ad vantage ; for the probability is that he will be tried by a Pro testant Jury. And what have been the actual facts ? That the Catholic Association, with all the power imputed to them of oppressing innocent men by the weight of their authority, with all the means of success which money can afford, have twice tried to convict individuals, and in cases where those indivi duals appear to have been justly prosecuted ; and in neither case have been able to induce the Court and the Jury to concur with them in opinion. Thus, Sir, the issue of these trials is in the very teeth of the declaration, that the proceedings of the Association were injurious to the cause of justice.. But a graver charge against the Association remains behind. And I entreat the attention of the House to this part of the subject, because it relates to an absent and a most meri torious individual. That individual has indeed already been most ably and honestly defended by my Hon. and Learned Friend behind me (Mr. Hutchinson), who has always the courage boldly to meet, not only any attacks on himself personally, but any attacks on absent persons, whom he knows to be unde serving of censure., But I wish to add something to what was stated by my Hon. anti Learned Friend ' • and I call on those who heard the speech of the Ri g ht 1-lon. Gentleman opposite, and particularly that part of it which seemed to make the most Impression on a large portion of the House, although it was certainly addressed to their feelings rather than to their reason. Sir, if Ido not presently convince the House that the accusation made by the Right Honourable Gentleman is utterly groundless, as it regards the Catholic Association, if I do not at once spew this, and from the very circumstance itself of the groundlessness of that accusation, derive a new and triumphant argument in favour of inquiry, before we pass the measure which has been introduced here; if I do not instantly demon strate, from the fallacy of the statement by the Right Honour able Gentleman, which were so loudly cheeredellis night, the hazard we shall incur by trusting to unexplained documents, and unsupported assertions in our proceedings on this important subject, I am ready to abandon at once the cause of the Catholic Association. "We have," says the Right Hon. Gentleman, " the sentiments of the Association under their own hands. No man will deny what they have said or written. Why call a cloud of witnesses to prove that which is self ac knowledged ?" This is the Right Hon. Gentleman's charter. Now for the merits •of this declaration. The charge against the Catholic Association (for it is only with the charge as it affects the Catholic Association that I have any thine. to do), is, that they talk of Mr. Hamilton Rowan as a man ent itl e d t o the utmost respect and love of his country, "and yet," said the Right Honourable Gentleman, " if, amidst some of the most extravagant cheers that I ever heard in the House of Commons; I heard hint right—and yet Mr. Hamilton Rowan is neither more nor less that a convicted traitor !" or, I believe it was— "an attainted traitor." The charge, then, against the Ca tholic Association is, that they have treated with respect an attainted traitor. Now, Sir, in the first place, the Association state as a fact, that Mr. Hamilton Rowan's name is most highly respected and most dearly loved in Ireland. For the truth of this assertion, they are therefore certainly responsible. If Mr. Hamilton Rowan's name is not pronounced in Ireland with reverence and affection, then the Association have been guilty of gross misrepresentation. But it seems that the As sociation not only state that to be the general feeling in Ire land, but declare that they themselvesjoin in the general feel ing of respect and veneration ; and this is the second and the gravest zharge against them. Now Sir, in the first place, I assert, and I offer to prove my assertion by w it nesses , th a t th e Associa tion are not only borne out by the fact, when they assert that no man in Ireland is more respected or beloved.than Mr. Hamil ton Rowan.—( A loud " 1\o!" from some Hon. Member.) — Sir, I have offered to prove it. lam therefore obliged to the Hon. Gentleman for his No! for he must give me his vote. I say aye ! On that ground we join issue and go to trial, and I am ready to call my witnesses. But Igo still further. I will show, if the Catholic Association hare not only asserted that Mr. Hamilton Rowan is treated with respect and affection by all Ireland, but hare treated him with respect and affec tion themselves, by whom they have been instructed.—Who does the House think have been their teachers ? his Majesty's GOvernment and successive Lords Lieutenant, in Irelande— (Hear, Lear, hear !)—Mr. Hamilton Ro wa n, Si r , was a m a n of large and even princely fortune, of the purest a nd m o s t amiable private character, endeared to all his friends by' his domestic virtues, and attached to his country by the ,most ardent and irrepressible patriotism. He was one of those men who, in the agitated times of 1793, 1797, and 17984• when the wisest were often misled, and when the honestest, from the very excess of patriotic feeling, were roused to frenzy by the injuries which they conceived their country was enduring, , underwent every species of vituperation, a nd i n that wretched period, were swept away in one general act of attainder, although many of them could never have been brought to trial with any hope of conviction. " Fuerint cupidi,"—for the cha racter is applicable not only to Mr. Hamilton Rowan, but to the Fitzgeralds and others, who went too far, in the times of which I have been speaking; and G o df or bid that I should deny that they went too far, although God also forbid that I should charge them with crimes of which they were guiltless:— " Fuerint cupidi, fuerint irati, fuerint pertinaces, sceleris vere crimine, furoris, parricidii, liceat. Gn. Pompeio mortuo, liceat multis alias carere." Such, Sir, are not my sentiments alone, with respect to many of those unfortunate individuals.— Pardoned by his Prince, Mr. Hamilton Rowan returned to the bosom of his family. Again he became the dispenser of bles sings to his attached tenantry. Again he drew around him all the tender and endearing connections of life. He exercised all the functions of a 'country gentleman ; he attended all the chae ritable meetings, which are so frequent in Ireland ; by the man. nor in which he expended his liberal income, and by the whole tenour of his conduct, he became the darling of his neighbour. hood ; he served on the Grand Juries, and he acted as a Magis. trate—(Loud cries of hear !)—And under whose superintending eye did Ile so act? Under that of my Lord Manners. Of my Lord Manners 1 who so readily purges the Commission of the Peace Wherever he sees any one whom he knows to be a friend to Catholic Emancipation going, as he conceives, too far in the support of his opinion, Lord Manners leaves Mr. Hamilton Rowan— the attainted traitor; Lord Manners—that pink of loyalty, that upholder of the Church Establishment, under that tutelary Saint, the late Chief Secretary, leaves Mr. Ha milton Rowan, the attainted traitor in the Magistracy, to teach treason by his example, aided by his authority.—( Hear, hear !) —Nor is that all ; Mr. Hamilton Rowan attends the Courts at the Castle, and is received with uniform favour, courtesy and kindness, by one Viceroy after another men of every shade of opinion; not only by Lord Wellesley, but by Lord Whit worth.--(Hear, hear?)—And this, Sir is the man whom the Catholic Association are to be attacked, vituperated and de nounced, unheard and without the means of defence, for declar ing to be entitled to, and to be enjoying, the respect and affec tion of his countrymen. Sir, I declared, that if I could not repel that charge against the Catholic Association, if I could not convince the House from that unexpected quarter, if I could not commend the chalice to the Right Honourable Gentleman's own lips, which he had prepared for his oppo nent, if I could not elicit new arguments from his assertion on this part of the subject, to chew the necessity for inquiry, to prove the incalculable angers which we are incurring in this course of hasty legislation, I would at once abandon the cause. But, do I now feel myself called upon to redeem that pledge by abandoning that course ? On the contrary, I feel that the cause stands on grouud a thousand times higher than that on which it stood when those tumultuous cheers followed the Right Hon. Gentleman's statements. And now, Sir, I ask every honest, I ask every reflecting, I ask every conscientious man, if lie could have believed, b e f o r e thi s ex planation, that in the crime of which the Catholic Association were accused by the Right Honourable Gentleman, they were, in fact, only the accomplices of Lord Manners, and of the successive Lords-Lieutenant and Attorneys-General of Ireland—(Hear, hear, hear !) ?—And now, Sir, I beg the House to look at the consequences of what they are about to do. :They have now an opportunity in their power, which, if they let it slip, they may never be able to grasp again. Conciliation is in their power. If the measure now in progress should pass, if it should receive the Royal Assent (that of the Lords, I suppose, is considered a matter of course), if it should he found to accord with the unanimous voice of the country, even under all those circumstances, in order to render it a state mea sure, you must have the assent and the co-operation of the Catholic Association itself. You will find this to be abso lutely essential. If; therefore, you pass the measure at any rate, make it a safe—make it a wholesome measure—make it a measure which may give permanent peace to Ireland. To make it acceptable, not merely to the hundreds of thousands for whose particular interest you conceive that you are pas sing this measure, but to the millions who inhabit the country in which it is to operate, you must accompany it with concili. ation : and nothing else will do. Sir, you have at this mo ment, at no great distance from you, within the walls of this House*, the chosen Delegates of the Catholic Association. In • Messrs. O'Connell, Shiell, and Bric, were seated on one of the benches below the Bar. ' those Gentleinen the Catholic Assbciati®n have unanimously reposed their confidence. The Association itself possesses the ' entire confidence of the whole Catholic body in Ireland. if the House do not believe this, many days will not elapse before pe titions in crowds will attest the fact. Here then you have vir tually before you all the Catholics of Ireland, anxiously await ing your decision—your commands. Depend upon it, Sir, that they will comply more readily with your requests than with your orders. With far more kindly feelings will they depart from this Ilouse, and with much more kindly feelings will.you regard tliettt, and yourselves, if you consent to gratify their wishes. You can easily dO so. Open your doors to their Counsel. bet their witnesses •be brought to the Bar. If they fail in . ptciVig their case ; if they fail in vindicating them selves, in God's name pass the Right Hon. Gentleman's mea sure; you will then pass a constitutional, a just, an effective measure,which may succeed in giving peace to Ireland. Of this, however, I am sure, that you cannot hear the details-wthey are prepared to lay before you, you cannot listen to their honest exposition of the motives • by which they and their friends are actuated, without entertaining a higher sense of their con duct and merits. On their parts they will be duly sen sible of the indulgence of your treatment. By the mu tual intercourse which will thus take place, whether you pass or whether you reject the Bill, will beccm t- a matter or comparatively less mdment ; you will give contentment, and you will,-for the first time, lay th e foundation of peace in Ire land. They offer to prove at your bar that whatever their conduct has been, it has been strictly legal and constitutional— . that it has been, neither an infraction di the letter, nor an eva sion of the spirit of the Constitution. They are ready to lay before you every document, every letter, every scrap that has crossed the threshold of the Association ; they will read them to you, and they offer them to your inspection. Their books are here. Black book there is none. The names of their suL scribers they have entered in a book; as it was indispensible they should do; for they would Neve been charged with dis honesty by their opponents had they not done so. But a . book of prohibition, a book of exclusion, a black hook, as it has been called, there is none. They are prepared to prove the efforts which have been tirade by the Association to tranquil lize Ireland. They are ready to prove, that when disturbances existed in the two Ormonds, the Upper and Lower Ormond, when the Ribbonmen made an alarming progress in those dis tricts, Mr. O'Connell and others repaired thither to check them ; and that in the name of the Association, and with the Address of the Association in th e i r h an d, t h e y did cheek the spirit of Ribbonism, and retore tranquillity. I have selected these from many other details which the delegates are ready to give. Examine them your selves, and you will find that there is no -point on which they are not solicitous to afford every possible explana tion. If, in the teeth of all these advantages, which are held out to you, if, in utter neglect and contempt of the signs of the times, you persist in the course, not of passing the Bill, but of refusing to enter into any - inquiry with respect to the facts on which its authors profess to found it—if, notwithstanding the most astounding instance of a misrepresentation of the truth Which I,have just exposed in the case of Mr. Hamilton Rowan, you still persist, I beg to deliver myself from all share of - the responsibility. On - your heads be it !—(Loud cheers, which continued fir several minutes.) The House then divided-- For the Motion Against it - - - 222 Majority - - - - 133 Adjourned at Half-past One o'Clock this Morning. PARLIAMENTARY PROCEED INGS. 110 USE OF COMMONS. Veneris, 18 0 die Februarii, 1823. NAvtamom—Lough Neagh and Lough Erne, and Clyde, Petitions for Bills referred to Committees. Portsmouth and Arundel—Bill ordered. RAlLWAYS—Liverpool and Manchester—Bill read a first time. Festiniog, Festiniog and Port Madoc, Wormeslev, Birming ham and Liverpool, Stroud and Severn, Tees and Weardale, Stratford and Moreton, and East London—Petitions for Bills referred to Committees. IMPROVEMENT—Liverpool—Bill read a first time. Dundee, Londonderry, Brighton, Pontefract, York (3), and Bognor (1 and 2)—Petitions f or Bills referred to Committees. liecLostruus—East and West Ilsey, and Twyford (Berks) ; Ent wisleK Lancaster) ; Kentford (Suffolk) ; Strensall (York'; Hockering and Moton (Norfolk); Abbotsley (Hunts); And Wilton (Wilts)—Bills ordered. Roans—Cockermouth, Rochdale and Oldham, Barton Bridge and Worsley, Rochdale and Burnley, Greenwich and Wool:. wich, New Cross, Greenhill Moor, Little Sheffield and Dore, Leominster and Hope, Cork a nd Ballyboolv, Glasgow and Parkhead, Ardglass, West Wycombe, Birmingham and Tewkesbury, Winchester a nd P e t ers fi e ld Petersfield and Al= ton, Tewkesbury and Cheltenham, Alary-le-bone and Pinch. ley, Huddersfield and New Hey, Bawtry and Sheffield, Baw try and Rotherham, Kingston-upon-Hull and Perriby, Mel tham and Wessenden Head, Barnsley and Grange Moor., Doncaster and Thorne, Shepl e y-l ane H ea d (1 a nd 2 , Wake. field and Denby, Barnsley and Pontefract, Rotherham and Tankersley, heeds and Whitehall, Leeds and Stanningley, Shiffitall, Tavistock and Plymouth, Fulham and Kensing ton, Trebarwith and Condolden, Haslingdon, Glasgow and Redbur.l, l Arrington and Biggleswade, Manchester and Aus terlands, North{ Fleet Market), Tewkesbury and Cheltenham, Commercial, Exeter, Dawlish and Exeter, Denbigh and Llanrwst, Cirencester, and Leeds and Halifax—Petitions for Bills referred to Committees. Penworthatn—Bill read a se cond time, and committed. Bridgnorth, Gatherley Moor and Winston, and Wivefiscombe—Bills read a first time. COMPANIES—London Portable Gas, United General Gas, Hibernian Mining, Apothecaries, West India, Provincial Portable Gas, Imperial Mining (Ireland), Herring and Cod Fishery, Tlalpuxhua Mining, General Investment ; Corn mercal Banking (Scotland), Sea-water Baths, South Devon Insurance, Imperial Gas Light and Coke, Atlantic and Pa cific Ship Canal, Cornwall Mining., Manchester Equitable Loan, Fishing and Steam Navigation, and British Gas— Petitions for Bills referred to Committees. Edinburgh and Leith Water—Bill ordered. HARnouas—Tremadoc, and Bridgewater —Petitions for Bills referred to Committees. Grimsby-13111 read a first time. CAusEWAY—Hayle `Bills read a second time, and com l'AV I x —Arclwick muted. _ Docxs—St. Katharine's—Petition from Kingston-upon-Hull, in . fircour—to lie on the table. Bermondsey Collier, and Kingston-upon-Hull—Petitions for. Bills referred to Com mittees. RESERVOin—Leith—Bill ordered. Poou—St. Andrew's, Holborn —Bill rea d a fi rst t i me . BRlDGEs—Chesterßill ordered. Athluncard, South Esk, Great Bow, and Tewkesbury—Petitions for Bills referred to Committees. BANKS—Provincial (Ireland) Ass tr RANCE—RoyaI Exchange WATE RW On Paisley, Almond, Li merick (2), Oldham, and Stockport PIER—St. lves _ 111:11 — K n ger ford DRAINAGE— lrainfleet Cu urtcHYAnn—Stratford-le-Bow Gns—Hinckley _ _ Petitions for 13i11s referred to Coin mitteeS. THEATRE—Cheltenham CarraL—Liskeard and Loot IllaxticaTortiEs—lreland THAMES QUAY CHURCH—Baketrell (2) POOR RATES— H enley‘upcin- Tham es STREET—Greshambury (Southwark) CHAPEL—Hastings—read a first time. HOUSE AND WlNflow Tax—Petition for the repeal thereof, from Cordwainers Ward—to lie on the table. Coar. DUTlES—Petition against, from Royston —to lie on the table. COUNTY COURTS BlLL—Petitions from Northwich, in fa , your ; anti from Henry Donkin, Esq. of Durham ; C. Short, and K. Fitzgerald, Esqrs. for compensation —to lie on the table. ROTMA7I CATHOLIC CLAlMS—Petitions from Ely and Wells, against—to lie on the table. JOINT STOCK COMPANTEs, Go IMEN-LANEBREWERY.—Wp understand that a plan has been submitted to and approved by some of tfie largest Proprietors, having for its object enlargement of present ca pital, increase of trade, and improved management, - which bids fair to restore this once.extensive concern to its former rank !amongst the leading breweries in the Metropolis. To a number of persons who were led to embark their property in this concern, and to whom the value of shares may be of conse quence, any advance in the price of them will be gratifying in.. telligence. At the same time the recollection that the splendid capital of near " Five Hundred Thousand" Pounds, originally advanced under the most promising circumstances, ought to act as a salutary hint to those who are now daily sacrificing their property in proposed RAIL #9.ps and other visionary schemes, that even if it were probable they could be tarried into effect, it is impossible that they could .repay either prin cipal, interest, or profit. Yesterday workmen commenced the opera tions of pulling down one side of Downing-street, extending nearly to the house of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, which will not only widen, but otherwise contribute to the im provement of that street. TO COR RES For HYDERABAD PAPERS PRICE OF STOCKS T)liq Ilaak Stock :3 per Cent. Red. , ' per Cent. Cons. &per Cent. Ditto Red. ~.,....: , IOIH Dissd. ..,... 4 per Cent. { New Bank Long Aiin. 134 5-16ths Imp. 3 per Cents. -,- India Stock , 2041 Ditto Ronds South Sea Stork PRICES OF FOREIGN FU Austrian Bds, 5 per et. Brazilian lids • Scrip 1825 Buenos A yres Bds 91 (Milian, lids, 6 per ct. Colombian Ilds.6perct. Do. do. 1824 Danish, 5 per cent. - - Greek Bds . , 5711 Do. scrip, 1825 Mexican Ms Do. Scrip 1825 PONDEZN'TS. :.kTo. 3.) sie our Fourth Page. DAY AT ONt O'CLOCK.. 011 Annuities • New Ditto ... Ex. Bills 10001.2 d. 6l 62 Ditto - I id. - lO Ditto- • • 500/. '2d. ....... 62 63 Ditto Ditto Small .. 2d. Ditto • • •- .1 Ad. Ditto Corinne:did Bank for Act. India for Acct. Cons. for Feb. 25. 931 STDS AT ONE O'CLOCK. Neapolitan, 5 per cent.... Neapolitan Scrip . Peruvian Bonds Portuguese Bonds • Prussian, 5 per et. - • Ditto New .... Russian, New, 5 per et. 97ii SpaniSli 1821, s.per ct. 24 3lit . ; 1823, ditto 194 18. i 19 French Renter - Ekeh.inge —c. Scrip PRICES OF SHARES AT ONE O'CLOCK Alliance Fire and Life Assurance Company Ditto, Marine Department A nglo-MeXican Mining Company Anglo-Chilian . Mining Company Brazilian Mining Company Cliilian Mining Company Colombian Mining Company • General Mining Association Hibernian Mining Company Pasco Peruvian Mining Company 373 42 40 411 40A 411 41 'Rio de la Plata Mining Company Tlalpuxahua Mining Company United Mexican Mining Coinpany Welch Iron and Coal Mining Company -3 4 12 'Continental Gas Company Australian Company British Iron Company Canada Company General Steam Navigation Company Gold Coast Association Great Westminster Dairy Company Metropolitan Fish Company 'Pearl Fishery Company, Yellow Receipt Provincial Bank of Ireland Patent Bricks Per Share. 184 71 130 7}87 30 29' THE SUN. SOLEM QUIS DICERE F..4L8W.11 AUDE.IT LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, FEB. 19, 1825. We extract the following article from the _Doile, dated yesterday, which we have received this day from Paris by Express : PARIS, FEB. 17. Certain journals make a great outcry relative to the idea that, Portugal would recognize the independence of Brazil. But how Can this measure, approved by legitimate authority, be in jurious to France, and in what manner will our interests be compromised by this determination of John VI. ? The advantageS to arise from it cannot be beneficial to one State to the injury of another. The recognition by France would be in this case the price of what would be done for her : and what is the interest of an infant state, but that of obtaining admission into the great family of States ? The interest of Brazil, if it were acknowledged by Portugal, would therefore be to obtain the re cognition of France as well as of every other Power. FRENCH uNDS.--( PARIS, FEB. 170—Five per Cants., 1041. for Money, and 104 f. sc. for the end of the month. The Paris Papers of Wednesday arrived last night. The Elate published in the evening of that day contains a short account of the proceed& ings of the Chamber of Deputies on Wednesday. It began with a report from M. lluearle DE 1 3 0111- MEUSE, in the name of the Committee charged with the examination of the Project of Law re specting the Public Debt and its redemption. The Minister of Finance then ascended the Tri bune, and havinc , read the Exposé of the g ro u n d s on which the B udget is founded, presented three Projects of law. The first, which is the Financial Law or Budget for 1826, proposes to allow 241,585,785 francs for the expences of the Conso lidated Debt and its redemption, and 673,918,714 francs for the general expences of the Public Service, and estimates the probable amount of receipts in 1826 at 924,095,704 francs, which leaves a surplus revenue of nine millions and a half of francs. The second Project of Law con tains the final regulation of the Budget of 1823, and directs that a surplus of between five and six millions •f francs, which remains over the ex pences of that year, be applied to those of 1824 and 1825. The third Project of Law proposes to give a supplement of 34,560,737 francs on the Funds of the Budget of 1824. It appears by accounts from Madrid, that the KING is completely recovered from his late in- - - disposition. FRENCH FLINDS.—PARIS, FEB. 15.--rive per Cents. opened at 103 f. 85c.—Bank Stock, 1,985f.--Rente de Naples, Certificate Falconnet, 88f. 90c.—Rente d'Espagne, 18f.—Royal Spanish Loan, 1823, 58.—Exchange on London, one month, 251. 6c. ; three ditto, 241. 99c.—(Coors Authentique, Peb. 11.) It appears by the Nuremburg Correspondent of the 10th instant, received this morning, that IBILAiIIM PActtA intends to winter at Suda in Crete, and not to attempt any further operations against the Greeks until the spring, when he ex pects a large reinforcement of troops and a new division of ships of War from Egypt. It is said that his plans for the next campaign will be powerfully supported by the Porte with the whole of its disposeable force. On the other hand, the Greeks are making the most active preparations for the approaching contest. They are masters of the sea, and have carried on their naval opera tions even under the cannon of the Dardanelles. Philadelphia Papers to the 23d instant, were received this morning. The only article of news they contain relative to the New South American States is derived from private letters, dated Puerto Cabello, Dec. 6, which mention the arrival of three Spanish prizes in that port captured by the Co lombian cruisers, Another prize was hourly ex pected. The Colombians are aware of the ex pedition fitting out at the Havannah, and pre. pared to give it a warm reception, if Colombia should be the point of attack. Irrnts-HousE.—ln consequence of the length of the Debate in the House of Commons on the petition from the Catholic Association, we shall defer the Report of the Debate at the India House yesterday, on the Hyderabad Papers, until Monday. MERCANTILE SIIIPPiNG. i t -. DEAL, FEB. 18.—Wind E.S.E.-4hii afternoon the East India and other outward r bound ships got underweigh, with a light breeze from the eastward; 5 p. n l , the wind havirig dropped, one of the lndiamen has anchored, the rest of the ships are off the South Foreland, and unless a breeze springs up, must anchor: Passed through from the River, and are now becalmed off the South Foreland, the Alalvina, Phillips, for the Cape of Good Hope.; Henry Davidson, Barclay ; and Segar,- _Munro, for Jamaica ; Guardian, Sutherland,, for Singapore ; Sleeman, for the West Indies ' • and Malvina, Kent, for Havan nah. The Ll a nd orer y , f or Jamaica, is off the North Fore land. PORTSMOUTH, FEB. 18.—Wind E.-Sailed his Majesty's ship Boadecia, for Madras ; and hiS Majesty's ship Thetis, for Plymouth ; Adler, Iries, for Pernambuco ; Elizabeth, 11E116., for St. Domingo ; Duke of York, Finlayson, ,and Liberty, Aldridge, for St. Michael's. PLYMOUTH, FEE. 17.—Wind S.W.—Arrived, the Jane, , from Figuera; Carboneer, Tucker, froth Leghorn ; Evander, Bathier, from ditto; and the Hero, Ferries, from London for Genoa. • FaLmoirrx, FEn. 11.—Wind S.W.—Arrived the ProVi done, Giffbn ' from Lisbon in 16 days; also f rom t h e D owr i s the Glasgow, Phillips, and Fortuna, Catlow, for St. Michael's. Off the port the Adeona, Stewart, froth Smyrna. LIYERFOOL, FPn. 17.—Wind S.—Arrived the Mars,'Mit chell, from Maranham, sailed 6th January; Baltic, Bunker, from New York, sailed 24th ult.; Prince of Wales, Starkey, from St. Michael's ; Speedy, Cudd, from Odessa ; Gleaner, Bardswell, from Lisbon ; and the David, Hancock, from Leghorn. COWES, FEn. 18.—Wind B.S.E.—The Royal George, Lr Bombay and China, has sailed from Yarmouth Roads. The Prince George, Luce, from the Havannah to Hatt burgh, was lost at Smite Cruz, Tenerife, the 25th December ; crew and a Mien part of the cargo saved. The Scotia, Davis, from Honduras to Dublin, which was abandoned by the crew, was carried into Santa Cruz, Teneriftl, the 24th December. The Letitia, Tennant, from Riga to Belfast, has been driven on shore a second time at Stromness, and sustained considerable injury ' • cargo landing in a very damaged,st a t e . The Ranger, Lawrence, from Peterhead to Liverpool, was driven on shore at Long Hope the 4th inst., and mus t di sc h arge: The Fowey, Bon e; has put into Penzance, leaky, and must discharge. The Diario CIE Rornd of the 29th Jan. Contains two Edicts. The Ist abolishes for this year, on account of the Jubilee, all duties on provisions brought into the city. The 2d grants a bounty of one scudo on the exportation of every rubbio of corn, till the price rises again to seven scudi, and at the same time orders that colonial produce, Wines, spirits, iron, and steel goods, shall be imported only by sea, and on the condi tion that, besides the payment of the existing duties, articles of the produce of the co u nt r y, t o t h e amount o f half the value, shall be exported. Those ships which cannot obtain such a. re: turn freight of the production of the country, are to pay an ad dition of 50 per cent. of the duty on the goods they have boAglit. Itairdways,---It is rather singular that the" adoption of the locomotive steam-engine on the numerous con templated Rail-roads, while it has sufficiently excited the at.: tention of the speculating part of the community, does not seem to have roused the L a nd owners and Country Gentlemen into active opposition. This is the mike extraordinary, because the latter will be more affected by the nuisances introduced by these schemes, than any other individuals. They seem to forget that there are objections to the, establishment of Rail-roads, which render an interf e r en c e with private property more injurious for the owners, than the introduction of canals. Among them one of the most important is, that any stidden deviation from the course a Rail-road may pursue on its commencement is im possible. Hence should it unavoidably approach with its train of nuisances, either e x t ens i ve an d valuable buildings, or farm.: ing premises, or the favourite residence of an individual, neither the value of the first, the peculiar liability to fire in the second, or the discomfiture of the country-resident in the last, can be considered in these vexatious and uncompromising schemes. For the land that is required for these measures, the owners will undoubtedly be cdmpensated According to the value esti mated by Jury; but in the value of such as is nOt required, they must expect a deterioration, for which no compensation can be hereafter demanded, and for which the promoters of these schemes Will take good care td provide none by Anticipa tion. .411 land.owners, therefore, fin no one is sec ur e , s h ou ld by petition urge on the Legislature that there is no principle in legislation more inviolable than that by whith . priVate pro perty is respected, as far as is Compatible with public welfare; that legislative controul over private property ought never to be exercised but where the advantage to the public is clear and in disputable, and such as they haVe a right to expect and de mand that this principle ought to be most scrupulously re garded in cases Where no just and adequate compensation for individual losses can either be demanded or awarded ; and finally, that these measures are nOt entitled to call for the con cession of individual rights fbr the promotion and furtherance thereof. Let the land-owners pursue this course and they will do justice to their own rights, and essential se:vice to by far the greatest portion of their fellow-subjects. Yesterday the Earl of WESTMORLANI) trans= acted business with Mr. Secretary CANNING at the Poreign Office. The CIIANCELLOU Of the ticcitcougit trans acted business for a considerable time on Thtirs= day, at the Foreign Office. The Duke and Duchess of Clarence left their residence at Bushy yesterday morning for London. The Royal Duchess alighted at the apartments of the Duchess of Kent, at Kensing ton. His Royal Highness proceeded to his residence, in the Stable-yard, Saint James's. The Duke and Duchess returned to Bushy in the afternoon. _ Emily Marchioness of Londonderry had a select eleg a nt p a rty , last ni ght, at her Ladyship's house, in . St. Jam es ' s - square . • Yesterday, at Ashburnham House, her Excellency the Coml., tess Lieven was safely delivered of a son. We are happy to add that the amiable Countess and her infant are both doing as well as can be expected. We are sorry to hear that the Earl SolitEus, in riding out from Eastnor Castle on Wednesday last, in conse quence of his horse falling, was thrown down with great violence so as to break a rib, and to be otherwise much bruised ; but we are happy to add his Lordship is doing well. THE ORATORIO.—The season for this enter.. tainment commenced last night, at Covent Gar., den Theatre, under the direction of Mr. IlAwEs,, so well known for musical talents and experience,. Mr. MoRI was the leader, Mr. S. WESLEY pre. sided at the Organ and Piano-forte, and the Or. chestra was abundantly supplied with Vocal and 'lnstrumental Performers of the first charac ter. Among the former engaged are Miss PA.- TON, Miss GRADDON I MISS LOVE, BRABANT, SAPIO, and BELLAMY. The Oratorio last night . was Judas Maccabccus. We have not room to, enter into the particular merits of the Perform ance, and can only observe that altogether all, the excellence that might be expected from suck a host of talents, and under such able manage. ment, was fully displayed: ENGLISH OPERA HOUSE.—Mf. BARTLE Y , last night, resumed his Lectures on Astronomy, and; the apparatus supplied by the Manager afforded a clear and splendid illustration of all the doe. atttoendtehdis, and d li t m he e s t c ri i i e t e es eee in t , f r o h d e u cheoda house einw was 1 a w t e i o l i n Lecture much applauded. The opening or the King'sl' 'theatre is post' poned till next week. MURDER OE MR. PARR-Y.—Yesterday at the Old Bailey, \Villiam Bennett was indicted for the murder of John Humffreys Parry, Esq. Barrister,at-Law, on the night oft the sth February last ; and was found guilty of Manslaughter. BOW-STREET OFFICE.—This morning the no-, torious William. Probert was brought up to this Office, on a charge of having stolen a mare in Gloucestershire. He was as ked what he had to say in answer to this charge, lie declined say.. ing any thing, except that he had a good defence to make. He was remanded for a week , be made i n the mean • that due inquiries may time. Few persons were in the office, as it was not that so di s tinguished a person was to make his apPeara nce • lie is a Very tall stout a s dressed in the stile o f ma n s and w e the Fancy.