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Mtn (Mr. liciscoe) Of the treatment he elm received in Horsemonger-lane gaol, where he was confined for a mis demeanour. He could never bring himself to belies , that a person confined fur a misdemeanour in any l i gaol ought to be treated as a feloa, nor could he think .otherwise but that the treatment for misde meanours ought to- be the same throughout all the prisons in England. He had certainly felt it to be his duty, as Visiting Magistrate of H i -weep:longer-lane Prison, to order that Taylor should receive every indulgence which the rules of the prison. permitted. This was not because Taylor was the object of it, a.e.he should act is the same manner whoever might be the individual confined there for a misdemeanour. An Hoe. MEMISER, whose name we could not learn, wise surprised to hear what had been stated by the' last Hon. Gentleman who had addressed the House. If the pu nishment for any offence was so severe that it ought not to be inflicted, no longer ought the Judges of the land to have the power of pronouncing such a judgment. Ira.: prisonment for opinions had never done good—it 001 strengthened those opinions. The blasphemy complained' of was not against the Almighty, but against the Arelf:' bishop of Canterbury. It was altogether trash, and such' es ought not to have occupied either the atter): lion of Judges of the lane?, or that of the Houses of Parliament. At the same time he hoped this part of the law would undergo a speedy revision, and for that purpose be should support the prayer of the petition. Mr. HUNT said he had likewise been written to by the petitioner, and he should certainly support the peti tion, the objecteof which he understood to be two-fold, namely, the mitigation of Taylor's punishment and the better treatment in the gaol. Mr. HUME, in moving that the petition be prints d, said that he hoped his Majesty's Ministers would support him in a motion he should make at an early opportunity, ler a return of a list of the Members of the Society for the Suppression of Vice. The Hon. Member referred to the severity of the sentence as directed to be carried into exe cution by the first orders of the Magistrates, and the ame liorations which, to their honour, had been effected by the interference of the lion. Member for Surrey ; and he then observed, that among these ameliorations was the allowance of certain hooks. But among the books thus allowed, he observed that books upon theology were not included. Now this was, probably, as hard as any part of the punish ment. Suppose he should have the misfortune to be im prisoned, and that it should happen to be his taste to read nothing but Parliamentary proceedings—(A laugh)—how hard it would be fur him if the Magistrates should order hie gaoler to allow him no books with blue covers— (Laughter)—nor any information relating to what was dying in that House. Surely it was too much for any opt of men to take on themselves, at their own pleasure,' thus to increase the severity of a sentence upon a person cenvicted of a m isdemeanour. DISTURBANCES IN MAYO AND GALWAY. On the question being put that the petition presented by Mr. HUME be printed, Mr. J. BROWN said, that seeing the Right Hon. Se cretary for Ireland in his place, he (Mr. J. Brown) was desirous of putting a few questions to the Right Hon. Gentleman, on the state of the county with which he was c onnected. It was stated in some of the public papers, that the most frightful disturbance' had taken place in that part of Ireland ; that they were committed not under the cover of night, but boldly in the open day ; that the law was tee at direct defiance, and the disturbances were of a character to threaten the very existence of society. Under these circurnstamem, he wished, first, to ask the Right lion. Secretary , whether the co mmunication which the Government had received upon this subject agreed tietse statements in the public Papers? His next question was, whet: er the Government of Ireland had thought it expedient to adopt any more vigorous mea sures to put down these disturbances ; and his third ques tion was, whether the Magistrates and the officers whose duty it was to watch over the preservation of the peace in Galway and Mayo, had acted with that degree of vigour and firmness which the necessity of the time required ? Mr. STANLEY said, that if he properly understood the questions of his Hon. Friend near him, he should have little difficulty in answering the two first, but must decline giving any answer to the third. With regard to the first question, he regretted to say, that although the disturbances 10 the county of Clare had altogether ceased, and property seemed restored to a state of safety from vio lence, yet there were atill disturbances going on in Gal way and Mayo, and he feared that some of them were of a violent character. With regard to the second question, he answered, that the G o vernment had on this occasion taken all the means in their power for exercising in full force all the powers they now possessed—all with which they were now entensted by the law of the land ; and he mutt take that opportunity of saying, that a ease stronger than that of Clare, and infinitely stronger than that of Galway at this moment—nay, oven stronger then that of Mayo, with which the Honourable Member was more peculiarly connected, must be made out bre,,re the Government would be induced to come down to that House and gsk from Parliament for the grant of any extraordinary powers,*--(Hear, hear, espe• cially from 7,Jr. O'Connell.) They should, upon all occa sions, most strenuously exercise the powers they possessed; but they felt that the evil, though it might be suppressed for a tine• by the operation of measures of unusual strength, was, in the end, rather increeeed than diminished by their et-Teen—(r-leer, hear.) In the present instance of the sti pendiary Magietenetty, in elie increase of the peane preeeeva• slop force, and in other measures of a similar kind--to put down these disturbatieee. Similar m easures had been sue eossful in Clare, and he trus“ they would beh r equally as in Galway an d in 3layo.—(Hear, Leer.) Witegard to the ehird question, be was quite mere that the Home would f ee l wile:" him, that it would be improper for him to give it any autsweer. It was ordered that the petition should he printed. DUBLIN ELECTION. Mr. LEFROV asked tLe Hon. Member, the Chairman of the Dublin Electio❑ Grunuittee, whether he had made up his wind, in conseqtßuce of instructions from the Com mittee, or otherwise, to submit to the House any mo•ion founded upon the report of that body Mr. R. GORDON replied, that he should atl no big awn responsibility, as he had not received any instruction! , frow the Committee ; and on Tuesday week he would bring forward certain repalutiond which would include the whole case, :lot omittieg that part of it which related t“ bribery. POR FUGAL. Lord VALLETORT said ;hat he bad iatendel this ds . to have asked a question of considerable importance rela tive to the shipping at Liibvn, but not seeing the Noble Secretary for Foreign Affairs in his place he ;mist post pone it. NEWTOWNBARRY. Captain GORDON asked whether Government bad taken into consideration the conduct and the reported epeeches ;,f certain Magistrates of the county of Wexford, und whether any steps had been taken in consequence ? Mr. STANLEY replied that Ministers had not thought any steps necessary. LORD LIEUTENANTS (IRELAND). Mr. STANLEY moved the order of the day fur the • c ene wittee on the Lerd Lieutenants (Ireland) Bill. Mr. O'CONNELL proposed BA an amendment that the Bid should be committed on this day sit months. He said that b objections were founded upon principle, and that no atnezkaents could remove them. The greet error iu this Hottae legialating for Ireland was, that most of the Members were obliged :eo be content with represeutations of the state of that countly :wide on one side and on the other, without any peraonal krati;eledge to guide them in their decision. He denied that the systena about to be esta blished in Ireland worked well teen in Eughtgai, and he in stanced the case of Lerd Fitzwilliam, who Irar been re moved from the Lied Lieutenancy of his county Lecause he differed in politics fram the Minister of the day. ha Ireland the Bill could not lint do great mischief, for there the Magistracy at present was na by any means what it ought to be. Half the Magistracy consisted of the Pro testant Rectors and Curates of parishes, vli.f.> wets not popular, and did not desire to be so. For twenty ;iga,tor, while Lord Clare and the then Attorney-General Saurin were at the head of the Court of Chancery, no man could get appointed to the Commission of tl..e Peace who was not known to be devoted to the Governments the Member for the county of Waterford had been twice retua4, end 1,400 Protestant gentlemen, Meeebers of the Ronra...; Catholic Association, were declared inelizilde. Sir A. Bart, when he took pussessiou of the Seals, determined to appoint to the Magistracy no man reeoronien(led by a poli tical partisan; yet he had been himself atarrounded by and imbedded in political partisans of an o pp os i te t ec ti on . He freely admitted that no just complaint could he imatzgainat the appoint me nts, or refusals to appoint, by the present . Ad m inistration, and he wished matters to continue as they ; wigs : at present the Lord Chancellor was responsible, awi t', if the prospects held out by the Reform Bill werarealised,. that responsibility would be far from no m i n a l. He for defietr! Ministers to point out an unexceptionae Nobleman he cffice of Lord Lieute n ant in any c ounty of Ireland, and ad verted especially to the difficulty that would b erf e fo dunbdin ing the county of Waterford , th e Marquis of Watore only nineteen years old. He objected also, to the formi dable power it would give to the Lords Lieutenant of o z onuties: 'they would have all the influence, and e the responsibility. He might_ allow that the Duke of Leineter no* a very fit man to he made Lord Lieutenant of Kildare, but that was about the only exception to the general rule he had laid down. He called the measure the Bill of the thirty Tyrants, which would place a despot in every county. At preseut it was possible to appeal to the King— " To fly from village despots to the throne," but hereafter that remedy, in the responsibility of the Lord Chancellor of Ireland, would be- at an end. People had talked of the remedy by application to the King's Bench, but in England the dominion of that Court over the Ma gistracy was a mete mockery. In the last ten years, thirty applications had been made to it against Magistrates, and not a single criminal information had been granted. Ten of those informations were against Clerical Magistrates, although the proportion of theta in England was much less than in Ireland. In twelve of - the thirty instances, the Court had dismissed the complaint with costs to be paid by the party complaining ; in eight others it had been dismiSsed without costs, and in ten only with costs to be paid by the Magistrates. Even in England there was a .vast deal of despotism exercised by the Magistrates over the poor, and how much more would it be:in Ireland, where Magistrates were in hostility with their neigh bours, and endeavouring to multiply prosecutions and convictions? The Grand Jury Bill, .now on the table, and which, with a few amendments, would be a .great boon to Ireland, would greatly increase the power of Magistrates, inasmuch as it left to them, in all cases, the reducing of the special jury lists. He had, therefore, no more doubt than of his existence, that this new measure would augment partisanship, heart-burnings, and discontents]. He was aware that Ministers were acting upon what they thought good authority ; but he was satisfied that they.were under a delusion ; and he so lemnly assured them, that he only resisted the further progress of this Bill because it would be injurious to his country. 'He had no political motive in opposing it, be cause he, perhaps, might be rather a gainer than a loser by it ; but he conjured the House to pause before it adopted it. Above •all things, he liked single responsibility ; for divided responsibility was no responsibility. Mr. STANLEY said, that if Ministers had not thought that the Bill would produce effects the very opposite to those anticipated by the lion. Member, they would not have introduced it. He supported the Bill because it would purify the Magistracy, increase responsibility, and esta blish a connecting link, so long wanted, between the Go vernment of Ireland and the respective counties. What the Hon. Member had pointed out had never been meant • to be the system of England, and had never been meant to be the system of Ireland ; and with regard to the former, he contended that Lord Lieutenants had been usually most properly chosen, although cases might have occurred in which political support gave a turn to the scale where the other merits of the two candidates for a Lord Lieutenancy were equally balanced. The case of the Earl Fitzwilliatn from its peculiar circumstances, could not be fairly used as a precedent nor urged as an exemplification, while the in stance of a near relative of his own, who had been for be. tweeu fifty and sixty years Lord Lieutenant of Lanca shire, although generally opposed to the Minister of the day, was a decided proof that political hostility was consie dered no disqualification. He was sorry to hear the lion. Gentleman say that the Magistracy of Ireland was usually in hostility to the people, but if it were so he approved of the Bill before the House, because it tended to remedy the evil. What hitherto had been done by secret influence would now be openly accomplished, upon the open respon sibility of the Lord Lieutenants of counties. At present there existed no means of communication between the i Magistrates and the Ministry, for those who were now known as governors of counties hail little authority but over the Militia, and theirs at all events wag a divided responsibility. In Carlow there were 5, in Cork 5, in Fermanagh 4, in Meath 4, and in eight other counties three Governors to each. As he had before said, his great object in bringing in the Bill was to increase the sort of responsibility which the Hon. Member required. The Hon. Member assuredly cast an unmerited censure on the Nobility of Ireland, when he asserted that in no county could an unexceptionable Nobleman be found to undertake the new duties of Lord Lieutenant :he (Mr. Stanley) apprehended that-no diffi culty would be experienced in selecting an individual who, by the weight of his character and property, was entitled to take the lead. One great advantage of the Bill was that it encouraged the residence of the Nobility and Gentry, for the Lord Lieutenant was empowered to appoint a Vice- Lieutenant in the absence of the Lord Lieutenant, which Vice Lieutenant was to enjoy all the patronage of his prin cipal. He hoped, therefore, that the gloomy predictions of the Hon. Gentleman as to the wording of the Bill would _not be verified. Mr. JEPHSON remarked, that the Lord Chancellor of Ireland, sent from this country, did not know a second in dividual in the country, and yet was required to appoint 'the Magistracy. At least this evil would be remedied by time Bill, as the Lord Chancellor would be assisted by the advice and recommendations of the Lord-Lieutenants. If it were found not to work well, it might hereafter be amended or repealed. Mr. RUTHVEN also supported the measure, and con tended that many improper persons had crept into the I situation of Magistrates in Ireland, having been recom mended by some great or some little Lord, or even by a Privy Councillor. He was proceeding to show the mis chiefs which such a Magistracy hail occasioned by injudi cioul appointments of officers in the yeomanry, when Mr. D. BROWN rose to speak to order. He thought that the question before the House was quite foreign to the subject which his Hon. Friend was introducing respecting the yeomanry force. Mr. RUTIIVEN did not think that he was out of order in his allusion to the patronage of the proposed Lord Lieutenants in the appointment of officers of the yeomanry. Mr. D. BROWN supported the Bill ; but he did not consider it a measure of unmixed good. It must be ob vious to English Members, and inure especially to Irish Members, that the Lord Lieutenants under the Bill would have the power of nominating the Magistrates in their respective counties ; and in Ireland it was much mote a matter of ambition, or of desire amongst the country gen tlemen than in England, to be appointed to the Magis tracy—(No, no !)—st least, be would say that it was much more sought after by the middle classes in Ireland than in Engl ,nd.—(Hear, hear.) lie thought, however, that any inconveniences with which the Bill might be at tended, ss odd be overbalanced by its advantages.—(Hear, hear.) It was, host-ever, one other step towards the assi milation of the law and practice of Ireland to that of England. On that ground alone he would support the Bill, if it had no other claims upon his support.—(Hear.) He thought such a measure necessary to the perfecting of tine stokes between the two countries. Mr. BLACKNFA regretted that so foul a syetem of appointing Magistrates, at he had known to have prevailed its his county (Carlow) for notay eeta, should have been tolerated by the Govetninent so long. He hoped that this would put an end to the system, and therefore lie sup ported the Bill. In Carlow they bad not the honour of having any N'oble Lord among them, although they were sufficiently lorded over by six governors, one of whom had been appointed only time other day, though for what pur pose was at a loss to imagine. This Bill must do good, Because any change in the present system of appointing Maelatrates iu Irelaud must be a change for the better. It was impossible that a wets,: system could be devised. From what he knew of the present Chancellor, he was sure that there could be very few appointl. - ,ente made by him which would not be satisfactory ; but lie moat say, that a vast number of the uppointutenta in his county had disgracerul alike to the county, to those who recom mended, aid to those who made the appointments. He believed that the ferment which at present prevailed was kept u p by a party of diet very 4ja g i i ;tracy whose duty it was to allay iri-;Wion and to presery the peace. Mr. J. GRATTAN inapad that thg Right Hon. Gentle man (Mr. Stanley) would explain to them snore fully what was to be the nature and extent of toe powers of these Lords Lieutenant. If it were intended to give to theca Lords Lieutenant the coutroul of the police, this would be area:fag them with a power greater than any in dividual in this coue,teei poessitiled. In the event of the office of Lord Lieutenant of iyelaemil being abolished, this power would become much more formidable, Mr, S. RICE said, that this measure—namely, the in teeduet;lop of Lords Lieutenant of counties into Ireland had been the freinent 'object of Parliamentary inquiry, and of the rexotrunerntretio;;:; .0 . parliamentary Committees, and that it was one, too, with eee-ael. to which all the witnesses, of every condition, every sect, and every party, Cue:: bad been examined before the various Committees on the state e! Ireland, bad united in recommendin g its in troduction into tst country. Timis Bill would establish a salutary system of reapoc e oility in the different counties threughout Ireland with respect t;:e recommendation of persons to Mii.! the office of Magistrates. rike great evil of the esisting state C.: things there was, that sroom vecarn mendations now proceedto faOrn irresponsible persons , and lie has's' himself known an instance of an in dividual recom mending the apo : ointment of a person to the Magistracy, and subsequently disaw,9wilig having given any such re commendation. Ile agreed with his Hon. Friend opposite i s n i,t th i i n nk t iu thatpow onepower w g h o i o c t effect tliose o wouldt-e,toiliiriedism,t,Le,a,ifseuutrtheeenaynto n o ur n i d. - exercise with respect to the menu and he thought that it would be highly desirable, and most sdvantagrouß, that a sal,utAry system of controul, thus: vested in the hands of resp.ectibe and responsible persons, should be exercised both over the yeomanry and the con_ stahulary force., Tl);ti measure founded en a like prinoiple to that of two other measures—the Juries (Ireland) Bill, and the Administration of Justice (Ireland) Bill, which also stood for discussion this night—to wit, the assimilation of the laws iu Ireland to those in Eng land, and it constituted the first step towards tendering the Government in both countries identically the same. Mr. LEADER objected to the extensive power and patronage which this Bill was calculated to place in the hands of a single individual in each county in Ireland. He contended, that those thirty-two Lords Lieutenant would become possessed of the distribution of nearly a million of money, which was annually levied by gi m d juries in Ireland ; and that not only the appointment of Magistrates, but the selection of High Sheriffs, would fall into their hands. He defied his Majesty's Ministers to find thirty-two unexceptionable persons in the thirty-two counties in Ireland to discharge the duties of those proposed L o rds-Lieutenant. Mr. CRAMPTON said, that there was not a single power conferred by this Bill on Lords-Lieutenant of counties in Ireland, which was not already exercised by the Governors of counties there, with the exception of the appointment of Colonels of militia, which this Bill took front the Crown and gave to the Lords-Lieutenant. lie thought that one of the great advantages of this measure would be, that in consequence of it responsible persons would be placed in each of the counties of Ireland, fer the purpose of recommending individuals to the Magis tracy. The leading evil of the present state of things was, that the power was exercised without the responsibility which should be attached to it. It was quite a mistake to suppose, that under this Bill the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland could only appoint Noblemen to the Lord-Lieute nancies of the several counties there. The Lord-Lieute nant would have it in his power to appoint any indivi dual whom he thought proper to the situation ; but it was most probable, of course, that men of rank and station in the different counties would be selected by him to fell those situations. He was of opinion that this measure would be very useful to Ireland, and he trusted therefore that it would be passed. Mr. A. LEFROY said that the Hon. Member for Kerry bad greatly magnified the powers which would be placed in the hands of those Lords-Lieutenant. Lord ALTHORP said that it had long appeared to him that this would be a desirable measure to introduce into Ireland. From the experience which they had had of Lords-Lieutenants of comities in England, he thought they might safely say that the introduction of the seine system into Ireland would nut be followed by any of those evil effects which were anticipated from it by the Hon. Member for Kilkenny. He for one could not perceive how it was more likely that the Lords-Lieutenant of counties in Ireland should possess the appointment of the sheriffs, than tire Lords-Lieutenant. in England, where, notwithstanding the long time that the system had existed, no such power was engrossed by them. He thought that this measure was one of great importance in the way of effecting an assimilation of the laws of Ireland to those of England. One great advantage of the introduction of 1 -such a system as this into Ireland was, that they would have persons of rank, station, character, and respecta bility, in the several counties there, whom they would make responsible for the recommendation of magistrates in their respective counties, and who would take care that none but proper persons would he selected to fill that office. There Lords-Lieutenant, in exercising the powers which would be entrusted to them, would, from their pro minent and responsible station, be completely under the contralti of public opinion. One of the greatest evils that he had heard as existing in Ireland, but which he was glad to say was latterly fast diminishing, was, that no such salutary effects were produced by public opinion. That evil would be remedied by this Bill, which ap pointed responsible persons that would he liable to that check, operating as it would upon individuals who, from their local knowledge and situation, would be fairly re sponsible for those whom they should recommend to the magistracy, because they would be cognizant of their merits and character. Seeing that the system had worked well in England, and that they had had, from time to time, fre quent complaints with regard to the magistracy in Ire land, he thought that a measure like this, which assi milated the laws of the two countries on the subject, would be attended by the best consequences. Sir M. W. RIDLEY said, he was glad to see a mea sure like this introduced, as the commencement of an assi milation of the laws of both countries, which he conceived to be a most desirable object. He did not object to the patronage which the Biil would bestow, and if the Lords , Lieutenant of Ireland were not possessed of greater pa tronage than the Lord-Lieutenant of an English county, the Bill could not be productive of any responsibility for good or evil. He congratulated the Members of England and Ireland upon the introduction of such a measure. Mr. J. RUSSELL supported the Bill. Mr. PAGET contended, that it was preferable to have the right of appointing Magistrates vested in the Lord Chancellor than the Lords- Lieutenant of the counties. The Lord-Lieutenant was usually a man of high rank, who associated very little with those around him, a n d i t was impossible for him to know more of persons appointed to the magistracy than might be known by a Lord Cha s e cellor. When he saw such a profusion of clergymen in the commission of the peace, he could not help declaring his opinion, that neither the education nor the life of a clergyman was such as to fit him for the duties of a Ma gistrate.—(Hear.) They mixed up civil functions wi-h their sacred duties, and produced an effect the very reverse of beneficial to the people.—(Hear, hear.) When, more over, he saw the political tendencies of those reverend gen tlemen, lie considered that their appointments to the bench were any thing but conducive to the peace of the country. —(hear, hear.) The self-elected Magistracy of England was, however, more objectionable than that portion which was appointed by the Lord Lieutenant. Mr. CALLAGHAN conceived that great good would be produced by this Bill. At present the Magistracy was appointed in Ireland in consequence of the very worst of information conveyed to Government, but by the Bill all Magistrates would be nominated by those who were re sponsible for the nomination. Mr. HUNT hail listened a ith attention to what was to be the first measure of Ministers in favour of Ireland. He regretted that the first step was, in this particular, to as similate the law of Ireland to that of England, although he was well aware that in disapproving of the Magistracy of the latter country, he should not ingt atiate himself with the assembly in which lie spoke, for nine-tenths of the assembly to which lie addressed himself were in the Com mission of the Peace. That part of the people which he represented were very far frotu satisfied at the manner in which Magistrates were appointed. At present the Lord Chancellor, the Lords-Lieutenant, and the Magistrates, were appointed by the Crown ; but when the people really had the representatives that made the laws, they likewise bail the appointments of. Sheriffs and Magistrates, and now that Minister, or the Newspapers for them, had wade the people believe that they were to choose their own representatives, they were beginning to reflect whether they ought not to be res'ored to their former rights with reference to the administration of justice. As to the notion of an appeal to the Court of King's Bench against a Magistrate, it was a gross farce. When Clergymen were Magistrates, in nineteen cases in twenty it was a source of disunion in their parishes. Mr. O'CONNELL hoped that Ministers would reflect, before the third reading of the Bill, upon the difficulty of getting resident persons in each county who would under take the responsibility of the office of Lord Lieutenant He denied that the Bill would cure absenteeism. lie would divide the House on this third reading, for he felt convinced that the Bill would increase the evils of the country. Lord ALTHORP thought that the best responsibility was that of public opinion, and which, in his judgment, the Bill would promote. He should now move " That the Speaker leave the chair." Tile House then went into a c onamittee upon the Bill. A conversation then took place between Col. O'GRADY , Mr. R. GORDON, and Mr. STANLEY, respecting the office of Custos Rotuluruna. Mr. Gordon referred to the abuse of this office by the appointment to it of a youth of fourteen years of age ; and Mr. Stanley observed that the present Bill would prevent the office being executed by deputy.— , The clause wass then put and carried. Upon the clause which regulated the appointment of officers of militia, Mr. SHEIL Objected to the cotntnisions in the militia being in the patronage of the Lords-Lieutenant of counties. They ought to be given by the Colone ls of the regiment. Mr, sTAD.if,:y observed, that the present arrangement was not without precedent ; and it had been introduced into the Bill in the other House. Mr. SHEIL said, that jolts were nut exotics in Ireland, and that there were two publics in that country to appeal to. He thought that this clause of the hill would lead to evils, ,against which the responsibility to public op inion would not'be a sufEcient check Mr. S. RICE said, that ac the Lords - Lie utenant of counties were to appoint Magi;trates , the House could not obje : 7.l, to their appointing inferior officers Of militia. Mr. KIM. denied that there 3'as " any parity in the cases, particularly, as militia officers were paid, and w Ma gistrates were not. After a few words frutn Mr. Crampton, Lord Ebring ton, Mr, D. Browne, ' and Lord Killeen, the clause was put and curled. - r' Mr. O'CONNELL would, on the first convenient occa sion, bring before the House Of case of Leary, who had Leen transported for his alleged share in the Doneraile conspiracy, with a view to show the partisan evils of the magistrate system in Ireland, and that a Lord Lieutenant in each county could not be an efficient remedy. The pc culiarity of Leary's case was, that, contrary to three re monstrances to :the Irish Government of Judge Penne father, who tried him, found on the fact that three juries acquitted parties on the very same evidence which was brought against Leary, and-that the character of the wit nesses was more than questionable, while that of Leary, a wealthy farmer, aged 75, was above suspicion, the sentence of transportation was enforced by the late Irish Government. Mr. CALLAGHAN said that the witnesses in the Doneraile case were still, and had been ever since that trial, supported at the public expence. Mr. STANLEY was not responsible for the transaction, as it Lad been instituted by the late Government. The Bill was then reported without amendment, and ordered to be read a third time on Thursday next. Mr. RICE moved the order of the day for the further consideration of the report on the Public Works in Ireland Bill: Mr. A. DAWSON was one who conceived the mra- sures of the present Government, with respect to Ireland, as based on a abort-sighted and most unstatesmanlike policy. lastead of bringing forward some comprehensive plan for the relief of the poor of Ireland, by the development of its native resources, Ministers were merely tracing the steps of their predecessors with some petty pence-table temporary expedient, which could be productive of no per manent advantage. lie proposed that instead of a loan a rant of 500,0001. should be made for the erection of public works in Ireland. Lcrd ALTHOItP was afraid that, in the present state of the finances, it would be quite impossible to grant such a sum to Ireland. He had little doubt but that she would receive almost equal benefit from the receiving of this sum as a loan. Mr. LEADER was of opinion that such a grant of mo ney to Ireland would speedily produce a great increase in the revenue raised from that country. He knew of no way by which Ireland could be tranquillized, except that of spreading employment over the country. Sir J. BUP,KE commended the caution with which Government was now proceeding, awl had no doubt that when the Chairman of this commission presented his report of its proceedinee, it would chew that the plan had fully succeeded, and if so, it would serve•as an incentive to en courage Government to accede to similar proposals. Mr. S. RICE thought that instead of indulging in this desultory conversation, they had better proceed at once to the consideration of the report. The House then resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill. Mr. O'CONNELL observed that the money would be granted on Grand Jury presentments in Ireland, the Grand Juries would mortgage their respective counties for the amount, which must of necessity be eventually paid by the poorest peasants in the world. Mr. STANLEY hoped that before the month of March a Bill would pass for the complete and satisfactory amend ment of the whole system of Grand Jury laws. Mr. ROBINSON contended that some legislative tnea sure ought to be enacted which would oblige Irish pro prietors to support their own poor, inste id of allowing them to be continually thrown, as at present, upon the charity of the English. Mr. BLACKNEY insisted that Ireland hail abundant resources to support herself, and all that appertained to her, if she was only treated with fair play, and indignantly re pelled the imputation that Ireland, as a country, was in any degree whatever a burthen upon England. Mr. HUME objected to the principle of the Bill altogether. Mr. RICE said a few words in vindication of it- Mr. A. DAWSON trusted that Ireland would receive a sum of money for the purposes of inland navigation, and in stanced the Caledonian Canal as an example of what had been done by means of Parliamentary bounty elsewhere. Sir G. CLERK denied that that canal was a national benefit to Scotland to the extent that the Hon. Member for Louth appeared to suppose. The works on the canal had been executed by the countrymen of the Hon. Member for Louth, not by Scotchmen, whom the grant was in tended to employ. With respect to the Bill before the Com mittee, he did not object to a grant of this nature tolreland. Mr. WARBURTON thought it far preferable to advance money for public works by way of loan than by gift. The former was employed in speculations which promised a re turn, whereas a gift was absorbed in jobs. Mr. GRATTAN concurred in opinion with the Hon. Member for Middlesex. Mr. WYSE observed, that it was now generally ad mitted, that the expenditure of public money on public works was benefici it to the State. As to the question, what was the best mode of advancing such money, whether by loan or by grant, lie recommended that it should be in three portions,—one consisting of conditional grants ; ano ther of advances by Government with the view of being repaid by tolls, &c. ; the third, loans of the nature proposed by this Bill. He Lad no other objection to the Bill than that it did not go far enough. Mr. SADLER did not object to the grant ; he thought it might even be increased, if the mode of distribution was improved. The present Bill tended to establish a kind of state-pawnbrokers. He took occasion to say that he should persist in introducing his plan respecting a system of poor laws for Ireland on Thursday. Mr. SHELL slid, that it was a sound economy to vote money fur this object to Ireland, for the returns were neces sarily made to England. Mr. COURTENAY thought that this measure would facilita'e the introduction of poor laws into Ireland. On the first clause being read, Mr. HUME repeated his objections to the machinery of the Bill, inasmuch as the expence of an additional Board was created, the duties of which could be performed by one now existing. Mr. STANLEY said, that the Board alluded to by the Hon. Member for Middlesex had peculiar duties to dis charge, which were quite sufficient to occupy the whole of its time. After some discussion on the question, whether the Board should consist of five or three persons, Mr. HUME moved, as an amendment, that fur that part of the Bill which related to the appropriation of 500,0001. in Exchequer-bills to be advanced for public works, the Commissioners appcinted by the 57th Geo. 111. and 3d Geo. IV. be appointed. These were unpaid Com missioners. Mr. S. RICE contended that it would be absurd to re appoint these Commissioners. Some of them were dead, and of the disposition of the others to act the House could know n othing. Mr. O'CONNELL said, ss they had much important matter connected with the Reform Bill to go through to morrow (this day), and as it was very late, lie would move that the Chairman do report progress, and ask leave to sit again. This was agreed to, and the House having resumed, the Chairman obtained leave to sit again on Monday next. SCOTCH AND IRISH REFORM BILLS. On the motion of Lord ALTHORP, the second read ing of these Bills was postponed to Friday week. The second reading of the Wine Duties Bill was post polled to Monday next. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Two o'clock. t. HO USE OF LORDS, Auousr 15. The Manchester anti Sheffield Railway Bill, the General Steam Navigation Bill, and the Corn Duties Repeal Bil, were returned, agreed to from the Commons ; and some private Bills were brought up and read a first time. BEER ACT. The Duke of WELLINGTON presented two petitions from Gloucester, in favour of the Beer Bill. The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition from 95 Clergymen of the county of Stafford, praying for an altera tion in the Beer Act. The petitioners stated that the al teration proposed to be made in the Beer Act, by the Bill brought into their Lordship' House by the Noble Secre tary for the Home Department, was inadequate to the pur• pose. They also stated that the Beer Act had entirely failed in procuring for the poor better and cheaper beer. The Right IL v. Prelate added to this, that he had received a letter front the churchwardens of a parish in Staffordshire, stating that a public meeting had been held in the parish, where certain resolutions had been passed, setting out the alterations that must be made in order to place the matter on a proper footing. It was considered that the price the licenses should be increased ; that the licenses shou be granted only to such persons as should procure unex ceptienable testimonials to their respectability and good characters; that none of the beer should be allowed to be consumed on the premises ; that the beer-houses should be closed on Sundays, except during such time as was abso lutely requisite for supplying poor families with beer ; and also (a very material provision) that no skittle-playing should be allowed on tire pt ernises where the beer was sold. The letter added that a great incre,se had taken place in the profanation of the Sabbath in the place to which it referred in consequence of the Beer Act. The petition viae laid on the table. Lord KENYON brought in a Bill for the hater encou ragement of labmttere, which was read a fit-it time. LAY IMPROPRIATORS TITHES COMPOSITION BILL. Lord WYNFORD brought in his Bill for providing for a composition for tithes due t• lay impropriators, which he considered as a proper if not necessary appendage to.th , Bill brought in by the most Reverend Prelate (Archbishop ' of Canterbury), for providing for compositions cf tithes due to the Church. His Lordship stated, that, by a statute of Edward the Third, it had been provided, thai where lands were naturally so sterile as to yield no tithes, and where such lands should be improved so as to yield a titheable produce, they should not be liaole to the pay ment of tithes till the expiration of seven years from the time of their bring so improved. The construction put by the Courts on this Statute had not given all the advan tages to the cultivator which the Legislature intended, and, therefore, he had introduced clauses In the Bill, by which lands, brought in frsm tie sea or otherwise, so completely sterile as to yield no titheable produce should not be liable to pay tithes in consequence of their improvement; that lands prodacing some titheable produce should, when im proved by irrigation or otherwise, he liable to ray no more tithes than they had paid in their unimproved state ; and also that lands to be cultivated by spade cultivation under a Bill brought in by a Noble Duke (Richmond), should not, in consequence of that mode of cultivation, be liable to pay more tithes than they did before. This last pro vision he considered as of great importance; for he was convinced, from what he had himself observed, that there was no better mode of encouraging industry, sobriety, and other virtues among the poor than by giving them small parceN of ground to cultivate for their own benefit. Lord TEYNHAM thanked the Noble and Learned Lord for the introduction of this Bill, and suggested that it would he advantageous to introduce into the Bill some ' I provision relative to tithes payable on the cultivation of hops. Lord WYNFORD observed, that he was not sufficiently acquainted with the cultivation of bops, to enable him to introduce any special provision on that subject, but that if the Noble Lord himself would propose of clause appli cable to the cultivation of hopa, it would meet with all proper attention. The Bill was then read a first time. Lord TENTERDEN introduced two Bills, which had been lost last Session, in consequence of the dissolution, having for their object to carry into effect some of the most material improvements recommended by the Common Law Commissioners. Lord PLUNKETT observed, that the Bills would re ecive his roost serious consideration. , • it, They were read a first time. CHURCH BUILDINGS. " , The Bishop of LONDON moved the third reading of the Church Buildings Bill. It was read a third time and passed. BEER ACT AMENDMENT BILL. Lord MELBOURNE moved the second reading of the Biil which he had brought in for the amendment of the Beer Act. One great object of this Bill was to strengthen the power of the constables in regard to the visiting of these houses. The constables had no power to enter these pre mises at present, except under the warrant of a Magistrate; but it was provided in this Bill that the constables ahou'•d have the power of entering these houses at any time when there should be riots in them, or when they should have company in them at prohibited hours, without any warrant from a Magistrate. The Duke of WELLINGTON threw it out as a matter for consideration, whether it it ould ❑ot be proper that the hours for these to be open ought not to be restricted to the usual hours of labour, and that none of them should be allowed to be open beyond four o'clock in the winter time and ?six o'clock in the summer time. His object in this was to prevent tippling in these beer houses after the hours of work. The LORD CHANCELLOR gave no opinion at pre sent as to the propriety of a clause to the effect mentioned by the Noble Duke, vs ho had himself only suggested the matter for consideration. Whether the houses should be shut at four o'clock in the evening in winter, and at six o'clock in summer, might be a subject for discussion. But it would be necessary to consider whether any such provi sion could be introduced consistently with the Beer Act. The great object was to prevent the abusing the liberty and the advantages obtained by the Beer Act, without at all touching the principle. To increase the price of the licenses too much, would he in fact to repeal the Act ; and it was question able whether to require peremptorily that these houses should be shut at four in winter and six o'clock in the summer, as suggested by the Noble Duke, would not materially trench on the principle of the Act. The pelt object was, to give to the public the full advantage of the Act, without allowing it to be conceited into an in strument of mischief. Lord TENTERDEN agreed in the principle, that the hours during which these houses were to remain open should be limited; but did not think that they ought to he perempto rily shut immediately after the hours of labour. He thought that some time should be allowed to labourers to refresh themselves at those houses after their work ; and therefore, instead of four o'clock in winter, and six in summer, as proposed by the Noble Duke, he should say seven o'clock in winter, and eight or nine in summer. Lord MELBOURNE thought it probable that the evils which had been complained of, zs resulting from this Bill, had been owing to the reduction in the price of beer; and the object was, to apply to a remedy for these evils, without trenching on the principle of the Act. As to the shutting of houses of this description, provision had been made by an Act of William the Third, and great cont. plaints had been made that such houses had been directed to he shot at unnecessarily ratty hours. Lord TENTERDEN hoped that the cause of the com plaint would be increased. The Bishop of LONDON called the attention of the Noble Secretary to a point to which he had occasion to ad vert before the Noble Secretary came into the House—be alluded to the profanation of the Sabbath, which was oc casioned by the Beer Act as it stood. As an instance of its effect in this respect he might mention a well authenti cated fact :—A young man had come home to his father's house from one of these beer houses at a late hour on Sun day morning, and his father in consequence immediately called at five or six of the houses and found persons drink ing in them at that hour. A great increase had taken place in the profanation of the Sabbath in consequence of the Beer Act, and he thought that the time during which these houses might h open on Sundays should he limited to that which was absolutely necessary for supplying poor families with beer. Lord WYNFORD—It had been provided by the Beer Act that constables might be authorised by M tgistrates to enter these houses if kept open after undue hours. It was proposed by the present Bill to alter this, and to enact that the constable, in case of riots occurring in these houses, or their being kept open at improper hours, might enter without any Magisterial authority ; and be should propose, in addition to this, that any inhabitant of a place in which there should be any of these houses might call upon a constable to enter the houses on his represent ing to the constable that something improper was going on in them ; and that the constable should he bound to enter on that requisition. Lord MELBOURNE was of opinion that the purpose might be answered by enabling the constables to enter of their own authority if riots occurred in the houses, or if they were kept open after ten o'clock at night. The Bishop of LONDON thought that these beer houses should not be allowed on the Sundays to remain an anomaly as compared with other shops. They ought not to be allowed to remain open during the whole day, but only for a certain time, and that met ely for the purpose of selling out beer to families, without being allowed to sel beer to be consumed on the premiers. The Bill was read a second time, and committed fur Thursday next. FRAUDULENT DEBTORS' BILL. Lord TENTERDEN, referring to the Bill which had been brought iuto the House by his Noble and Learned Friend (Wynford) for making the property of a certain description of debtors available for the payment of their debts, moved that there be laid before this House an ac count of the names and nutobsrs of prisoners confined 111 execution for debt in the King's Bench and Fleet prisons, with a statement of the sums for which they were con fined, and whether they had instituted any and what pro ceedings under the Insolvent Debtors' Act _Ordered ac cordingly. The Militia Embodying Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a petition from a place in Kent, praying for as alteratio❑ in the Beer Act. —Adjourned. THE ARCHBISHOP OF DUBLIN.--The Archbishop of MIKAN is at prevent so severely indisposed that but slight hopes of his recovery are entertained. Saunders's. News Letter. THE BISHOP OF FERNS.—The Bishop of FERNS is lying without hopes of recovery at his house in Parliament-street, London. His Lordship has had a severe :tpoplec!ic attack.—Saunders's News Letter. We are happy to announce that the Bishop of KILLALOE is translated to tl.e See of Derry, and that his appointment x•:11 Le officially announced in a few d tys. Limerich Ch ronicle. The will of Lord NORBuItY has been proved; probate taken out for a sum under 138,0001, and ',temp duty paid thereon to the amount of 124001, FOREIGN IN \ t'TE LI-GENCE. FRENCH PAPERS. Frum the Me:sager des Chambrcs, Aug. 14•) CHOLERA AIORBUS. " The cholera of the ancients, the Chinese halo* , Indian rnauderhin, the Persian ouebb, the Arabian h6"1;1; the trousse-galant of France, and the cholera 05, which spreads its ravages over the North of Europe , are one and the same disease. " Modified by the difference of climate and chant seasons, the cholera loses much of its violence in win and increases in summer. It may also exist in colsill tion with other epidemic diseases, and occasionally rev them so complicated, that the' real character of the tion cannot be discovered, as has occurred in W 1 r 51 . 0 1 where the cholera commits less ravage than the typb u !) our army. We have grounds for hoping that the F e ", discipline of our army, the exertions of the police large cities, especially the excellent practice in our hoff f dfo both civil and military, will preserve us fiom this dre s scourge. _ _ " The cholera morhus is not contagious, but so rir r its effects, that the slightest delay in 'checking lt i P gress may lead to the most fatal consequences. " L. LABAT, (From the Quotidienne of Saturday.) sn The embargo placed on Dutch ships in Dunkirk taken off on the Bth of this month, and they ttl re ,; liberty to put to sea. Several of them took advantatv this permission on the same day, or the following tl i g amongst others the Amsterdam steam-boat. rg The Dey of Algiers passed through Lyons on the on his way to Paris, where it is said he intends filtingil residence. Upon his arrival in Paris the Dey stole' the Hotel de I.ondres, in the Place Vendome. b It is stated that the French soldiers, when pas sing a ; plain of Waterloo, upset the column which had been' near the farm of Quatres-Bras. It appears, from a report in one of the journals, tb the termination of the sitting in the Chamber of ri ties a meeting took place between General Sebttatian l v General Lamarque, who were attended by MM. Pul e ? and Jacqueminot, as their seconds. An explanatioo, place, and which, it is said, was the result of the i 9 Terence of persons in a high quarter. (From Le Temps.) A report was again in circulation to-day of the t ; of Warsaw by the Russians, we know not upon what 3° rite; the news is, however, highly improbable. 28th of July, the date of the latest account, the 1 0 ; were at a great distance from Warsaw, and those P f tl i . do not give even the sketch of the enemy's On ;1 ticking the city. In order to admit that War ei g bi been taken, we must believe that the Russian artut r i was dispersed about Western Poland, arrived a t in a few days, had brought up their heavy artilletY; commenced the siege. We must also believe tha t e habitants bad, all at once, lost their niagnaniine' rieo rage, and had opened their gates to an implacable e , bs This is all beyond the scope of probability, and 91 " 0 1 formed better hopes of the patriotism of the Poles/ :he justice of their cause. (From the Constitutionnel of S iturday•) We have heard this evening that a commerelPtaf from Leipsic, received by a banking-house in PO l ba 4 ' ,„ that the National Guard of Warsaw had made a 7 " c 'f°, masse, against the Russian army on the left b ank Vistula ; that the Polish army attacked the Eu a ,i or; flank at the same moment, and that the latter aura? total defeat. We sincerely hope that this intellige° be confirmed. It is said that the Minister, to avoid a defeat, VI mined not to offer any opposition to the amendrne ° Bignon, in favour of Poland. Rumours are again spread abroad O r ) KING is in a bad state of health. We believe l',,,j'i :USTI- is as well as he has been for some years' l slightest disposition to seek those domestic plea sn a ; that life of retirement, which has always been 10 d able to his taste, is immediately construed by certein b r i as the unerring symptsins cf dangerous iliness.-- ° s o NAPOLEON BONAPARTE.---Noto lib tr o ing the " thousand and one" memoirs of this e$ ? nary man, the latest sketch of Lis ctreer from teen his private secretary and schoolfellow, Bon 10 ,0 it generally admitted to be the best and most anth e %l only in France, where the work has gone tbrotllol editions, hut also in this country. The NOO sellers, it seems, have felt not a little mortified n l ll troduction of a late French edition into i n I . by Messrs. COLBURN any! BENTLEY into thei r " P account of its manifest superiority over their own; ~ edition in 5 vols. Bvo. besides comprising the ''''', volumes of the original, is accompinied by notate°. trative notes, and by nearly 20 spirited engraving; English edition, which was recently publish! t , National Library, in 3 small vols. with similar fOrA illustrations, and acknowledged to be the best Oi l interesting life of the great Military Chief of tir,,„, century extant, still continues its course of pnpu lari" thousand copies having been already disposed of. 1 11' It is said that at the late come c renc - ( five Allied Powers, it was determined upon that tbijeoi of Antwerp, and the other foitifications round it , r a' razed to the ground, and the city in future be, merely a commercial town. —Morning Chroni c ` e ' In a debate on the Regency questiok irj when Lord THURLOW concluded a High Tory P i p clamatinn with these bombastic words, " W ho ,o my Kng may Goo forget me !"—Hostanz 1.0 "; heard him from the bar, exclaimed, loud ent i V heard by many a Noble Lord, " Forget you , in see you first." 00 Mit. WELLESLEY AND HIS CIIII , - We hear the Master has made his report, rosti°:,, Misses LONG and Mr. W. COURTENAY to be the so, of Mr. L. WELLESLEY'S children. Mr. W. ed, the Fleet. Sir FELIX AGAR has, we under so ', for Paris to hasten the return of Mrs. Wgo.lls;iii the young lady and her brother, Mr. W. WW I ! B RILL IANT STEANI-vESNEL.---- 11 ) °0 1 in her passage last week from Leith to our Nfots, was three days instead of one ; we mean WA, passengers were landed. The cause of this o'o was a dense mist on entering the Moray Firth%) duced the Captain sometimes to diminish the Firth vessel, and at other times to stop their prove, , The mistakes which the Captain and those on tt , / or twice made as to their relative position Lo,ti at which the vessel regularly calls, were soon' crous. At one time they imagined they sf ere e lt ; few yards of Burghead ; hence they sounded t i e rang bells, and made all the noise they O bid i, by that means to call out a boat from Burgh° j boat came. The atmosphere at last cleared ni / ',tri stead of being in the immediate vicinity of nn i rr F found themselver in the centre of tie F ir r t. ;:e between the counties of Ross and Moray. ",itfr, ing question now arose us to which of the r of Firth the vessel should proceed. . The nutn l l,lY, gees on board destined for either side wa s ne:tt,, I Hence the point was the more closely dispute°•oa cussion was most animated, and several of th e . o l l either side might have shamed the best o rator I of Commons returned by a nomination builh'lJl lain, to whom the arguments were addressed, ; 0 1 1 j impartial part, declaring his readiness either ts e one side of the Firth or the other, just a' 0 11. should convince him to be the most razed form were a preponderance of lawyers destined tii side ; our readers, therefore, will anticipat.eeffsri, ) of the Captain—he steered for it to the 11 colit pointrnent of the Morayshireneers.—E4i i° d i e a THE Moo RS.—NOtWithStallua'llt, e 1 of Parliament, unusual at this period of °l ot passage of distinguished strangers towards. 0 0 4 daily increasing. Vehicles of every detscriPl y ei through Perth every hour in numters; 11 . 11 ,,„0 14 particular, was observed by the oldest resl°`l;o4 remarkable than any within their resnentbll continued succession of carriages, Tile ' 44 ;10, to and from all directions are crotvde d ' 1 0 0 ' shooting quarters are this season occupie 300 1; Loch Erroch Side, Lord CAl:tar:l:a ; KY ° s aa l ',,, hallion, Lord ROTIIEi ; Ashmore, Lord A. Ivii Dail, Lord GRANTLEY ; Braemar, llon.llt o sii i ii i Catlodge, Major TOWERS, Major 1 11 °6 0 006 PRINGLE; parr Lodge, Sir 11g>inv 6 ,0 1 , 1 ,tt GILMOUR, Esq. ; Kinrara, Sir GEoac , i,01 1 4 fernate, Sir AKIN IlorE, of Pinkie ; F3 lO , C o NOTT ; Gaick, Sir Josun RAUCIIIi, f Mr. GLEIA and party ; Edrington Lodg e ' o f 5 1 ',s and party ; Dolnaspidelal, Mr. STE IVA i ' l „, 4 4r. f Sir DAVID ERSKINE j Logiea!mond, 1-143-4itrif Ind Colonel PATERSON ; Kinloch, Mr- 1% .„' 05 ,0 a i 0 . LAND; Sleggerine Castle, AuGusrus ,'" ;gr. ;Ifr and party; Bouskeid and Sratlittlitall,',oo of aid party ; Urrartl, Mr. CLERK . BA TT MO, -loch, GEORGE MILLER, Esq., Lundono;o,oo . Clunes, Mr. UNwite and Rev. Mr . 11 0 04 fir. AuxEits ; Balnaguard, Colonel o°,„, Il , Hon. Fox MAtrut ; Mount Alexamith . , A ; and party; CorriMuzklocb, Capt. fieno' Captain nsowli. The followi by the MiniAt rat p.ge— -1 the ' et % bad rem Arrived. O Ame • Brat ' O Ituer O Cart! I Dubl 0 Ran, Fran 0 Clue] HIGH Storning V,13 , .. - 7L" The dittea ° °ntents of Mars annount that th i Me Be, 4 re cur , th ey ha e xPecte i aff or d i 4h d bei not be 43 sura n , it Prude deceiv e( Mars tnatter 1 for that giutn. tel ucter. Ells Picic a warli ser ious 11 0 t wh ; th e far th e cov c 'Verri b Ut "ILI: 4t pre Pertaiii t ttlaki np I‘ } lerolp 4.4 qgitil Alo e ' 1 ha ils b( Peopl e then %OA 13s e th e " vl3ll- . • • TUR 9 HC