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DIRECTORS ' do hereby give Notice, that the ANNUAL GENERAL COURT of PROPRIETORS will he held at the LONDON TAVERN, Dishci psgate.street, on WEDNESDAY, the Mb day of July next, at One o'Clock precisely, pursuant to the Deed of Set tlement, to receive the Report of the President and Court of Directors, to Elect Five Directors and Two Auditors, hi the room of those.whu go out of Office, and to.declare a fr. vidend ; also to take into consideration a recommendation front the Court of Directors, as to the investment of tin property of the Company. lIENRY DF.SBOROUOU. Jun. Se-retary. LEEDS and LIVERPOOL CANA L, and DOUGLAS NAVI. CATION. NOTICE is hereby given, that the next GE NERAL ASSEMBLY of the - COMPANY of PRO PRILTORS of the _abort (;ANAL will hu held, by adjourn ment, fur the dispatch of business; at the House of Mrs. Rebecca Wood, the TALBOT BRADFORD, in the County of .Yorls. on FttIDAY, Vitt] day of June instarst, at Eleven o'Clock in the Forenonn, when and where the Pro prietors, by theniselves or their proxies, are requested to attend. • 'By Order, • SAMUEL HAILSTONE, Law CIL.Lk. Bradford, sd Juni,• 1826; C OR. N%V A 14 and • DEVONSHIRE MINING COMPANY. CumantAx—PETEß MOORE, Esq. M.P. DEPUTY-CHAIRMEN. S. B. M. BARRET, Esq. DI.P. the lion. R. BINGHAIII. DI !LECTORS. I W. Newman, Esq. I Right Hon. Viscount Palmer ston, M.P. Sir John Perring, Bart. Philip Perring, Esq. Hon. W. F. Powlett, M.P. W. Reynolds, Esq. Mogan Colonel Talbot, Thu. Teague, Esq. Redruth TORS. W. L. Ogilbv E Rob. Talbot, Esq. ‘3 sq. I V. Wilkinson, Esq. SOLlclToßS—Messrs. Wilks and Verbeke." The Directors of this Company inform the Proprietors, that 4 . 4 Delmtation has left London .for Cornwall and Devonshire, to 09ect the Mi nes b e l ong i ng to the Company ; an d that on the turn of the Deputation, the substance of their Report will be communicated. JOHN WOOD, See. —_____ 26 , Lo ____LThard.street, June- 6, 1625. ' Aston , Esq. Steph. N. Barbtr. Esq. %V. Carne, jun. Esq. Penzance A. Denny, Esq. The Right Honourable Earl Donough more , John €4.ay, Esq. Sir W. Kay, Bart. Kushaw, Esq. AUDI CHEVALIER RUSPINFS 31ED1CINES. MI, CIIEVALIF'At RUSPINI begs' to in. h as _ forth the Nobility, Gentry, and the Public, that . be h i , IPPointerl Mr Charles Butler, Chemist, N 0.4, Cheapude o aruilc e nt for the sale of his Medicines, sit. the , yentrifice i Gum_ ticture fur beautifying and preserving the Teeth aril tq r !tfid fastening those 'reeth that are loose; his t he'Tooth-ache, and the Balsamic StYptic fur lix:r / ,;;I),„nreiil l , l „ il ltedings, external and internal Theyax . e now "tlivr.' CHEVALIER, from the original Receipts of .his H ouse , No. 7, Pall Mall, nposite . Carl . to . n atterids professionally from Ten till F LIE BOSWELL LIBRARY. -------7 &c. by Mr. Scrr HEBY, ~,,, Ntle of the liostrEtt. Libra ry , . lr finished on Friday list, When a singu t h e ,___d wr itin g of our Manuscripts and Autograph Letters, in t cu v r ry extraordMary pre Collection of distingtiished Countryinen, were sold . a, items : Prices. The f'ollowing are the most prom i nent A an `Sixteen Original Letters of. Dryden the Po et, BixarPrsiedigZ.lteFt°eru:ione bought lit I t iy fiv lV e lr of rl t ' h h e o t r o pe ad dressed to the Poet Welsh, and the other to L ord Halifax, bought by do. • - kamund Twelve Letters from the Right Hon. b Burk e , to .Mr. Malone do. "ItY-thr e e L etters from George Ste e v e n s to 111 r. alone, relating to shakspeare, do. - wynd. 'twelve Letters from the Right Hon. Win. ham to i. Aiiilone, do. --‘ to m r . -'wenty-eight Letters from Tom Worton Malone do - - I'llree Let'ters.frorn John Kenible to Mr. - Malone : (In t P o „ ° - - - t 0 Letter s f rom Dr. Percy, Bishop of Dromore, do. relating to Cbatterton, do. - rle hundred and fifteen Letters to Mr. _Malone . , ,tt,,esPectirig his Life of Dryded do. ose A Cieib Lenttearnti loVk e l r on i e l f e r ra om r p te h rs ßeynolds . -. Collection of Anecdotes, Ch arac ters Repartees, - I b• 2i • Y JailleB Boswell, jun. Thorpe - 0 x I,,ters from Torwhit to Malone, relating t . The . , - 4 .e! , tre e U r„„ Rook of Subscription towards the Pe con- - 1 ,3 4' . 1r of the Cathedral Church of St. .Paul, is jOing the Atitographs of Charles l others,'u ditatroendon,.S o uthampton, Albemarle, and IAi N ' - - - /„it aPhical Anecdotes of various Person to two .eoce for Sir Philip Sidney to travel , Persons, ditto ii 41:,11 accompanied by three serv. e io y, under ti: - Q e s, , and one hundred Pounds in mone y, - Oit'l._',R'ti Manual of Queen Elizabe l th t til'oet'7.of the Will of Elizabet h relating the r ' el h dit to °ll , and other Papers _. Th ree ' _ 4Ja lrt MR, with tlse•SliCo r lif Milton, . 1110 . P e ' rlee 14cei - • ' itur - es Of the PO.St's bora el it Anne Milton y Husband, a and their receivi ng 1 ' each eroarandtibleerirspmother; ElizabeValttiri, reoltalb* A. la toai _ . I N3r t l6l i of the Estate of their A t. _ - `. Of of pape rs relatintg to the Office . Pit.--""tr of the /tolls, ditto - - of -- rel ating to Sh k re and the Town _ 3tratforel, Hardi a sPea - 4 R. 1i -ve.l.l3ti.witb th, negs-gn jure of Sir Philip Sid ,4-.euVe, ° r,ori e half-yeliesa Fees, as Cup-bearer to - ell Lhzabeth, Ballard - - JOH NSONIANA. Ortißinal Ma nuscript of the Plan of Johnson's Dic : binary, addressed to Lord Chesterfield. corrected t Zit.hetctor hiros . elf, and his Signature at the - - A t a l b le °l p Scheme fo r - compiling a new Dictioarf ow,iian,ish Language, entirely in Dr. Jo h ns on's 7 . , , e Life of -zeittlioniga ditto . . ri.`,)°,llf.ll(!-writing, ditto Ro we , by Dr . Johnson, in his .. - - ts, ry- or , Pope, do. do. do. - - - b . ' °'11s°11) ithithi- T win Prance, do.do. ''.l3iat • urn s °I '' do . Ballard 1 , , a ,, e _ . Y inscribed ~ E zls t e i , ugG, b, 1.0,4 Dr. Johnson clo. Upeott - " 61-°nson's Letter 'of Thankm to the Vic e - Three,-,. aneellor of Oxford for his degree of M.A. l"keting ' - - -J , Letters to Sir Joshua Reynolds, from Dr. Shk(ll.,,n'on, relative to his Pension, Thorpe ASo4eearels Plays, the first edition in folio, Mr : 105 0 I) - . _ .. ~°ltrait ofiDr. Johnson b Sir Joshua - Reynolds, A ‘l, 4 l r , ch ased by Mr Grav'esYthe hop_merchant - 76 13 r4iitoc,e.length tha.Wing of ' Mrs. Siddons, by Ha- 6 4 Port 'l '. l j o t r lght by Mathews , the Comedian - % ii L'ortrratiiit of Dry lien U ' in Crayons, Harding .. %1 g tof Dr. Johriscin ig e< Pi t 'stet do. - - 5 7 The wh°l e a tnount of the a !Sale'was upwards of 2,000/. X 26 5 10 0 Sc 9 3 5 4 10 10 0 2 14 20 0 4 14 18 0 2 13 5 0 12 11 0 20 8 18 7 20 0 16 0 3 3 8 15 17 a 3 15 1(; 5 10 10 11 0 9 9 7 0 66 CGIVIAIITTEES OF PRIVILEGE. Counsel were heard in the Roscommon Peerage, which was again postponed. The pleadings in the De Lisle Peerage were also heard in part. Proceedings were resumed in the Gardiner Peerage, which was adjourned to Thursday next; after which 'the Bishop of CH EsrEit read prayers. • The Appeal of " Fletcher v. Sondes," was further heard. Adjourned at four o'clock:during pleasure, and at Live the Lord CHANCELLOR took the Woolsack. Mr. TOMLINS from the iceasuTiiiesented an'Account of the yearly value or Imports from Canada for the year 1823 and 4. MESSAGES FROM THE COMMONS. • Mr. BROODER, ColonellYcohi, and others, brought up the Cotton Mills Labour Bill, the Quarantine , Laws Repeal Rill, and a number of other Bills, (tg fiats of whiele.it teas irr piwible to hear below the Bar), wlfich were artz..rwards read a tirnt time. The - Earl - or LAUDERDALE presented a petition from Owners and Occupiers.Of Lard in the county of Norfolk, against any alteration in the Corn Laws. Lord SUFFIELD presented a petition from the Cotton_ spinners in Burnsley, praying for an amelioration in the condi. thin of the Factory children. He was happy, he added, that a Bill in tavour of the prayer of the petitioners had just been. brought tip from the other House of Parliament. That mea sure, it WAS true; lid.not go far enough ; but, such as it was, he should rejoice to accede to it. Lord KENYON presented a petitior. to the same a ffect,. as the above, front the Cotton-spinners of Preston. The Earl-of DARNLEY presented a petition from a person of the name of Burridge, who complained of the present state of the Navy, and especially of the dry rot, and praying for an inquiry into the same. The Earl of DONOUOHMORE presented a petition from Dennis O'Callaghan, Esq., of•the city of Ctirk, complaining that he had been much represented .in the evidence before the Committee on the state of Ireland, and praying for redress.— Referred to the said Committee. JURIES AND JURORS. • The LORD CHANCELLOR—On a farther day, my Lords, I mentioned to your Lordships my intention of moving .the second reading of an important and salutary Bill, regulating both Juries and Jurors, then brought up from the other : Boa:se of Parliament, when it should consist with the convenience of this House. As, I humbly apprehend, there can be no objec tion to the motion, 1 move that this Bill be now read a second time. The above Bill was forthwith.read. _ _ Upon the motion of the Noble and Learned Lord, the Bill was then committed for Friday next, and their Lordships were ordered to be %ammo:bed. THE QUARANTINE LAWS. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY now moved the first reading of the Qinrantine LaWs Modification Bill, when The Karl of DARNLEY took occasion to remind their Lord ships of the objections he had lately made to the alterations in our system of quarantine. He was desirous that a measure of such interest should not be hurried through the House; and, therefore, he wished the second reading to stand for Friday next.—Ordered. CANADA CORN BILL. 'rite Earl of LIV E RPOOL moved the Order of the Day for committing this Bill. Lord ICIN(k would vote for this Bill going into the Commit tee, on the ground that he hoped it would be the forerunner of a better next year. He thought that there was some good seed sown in the cabinet,-which would, perhaps, spring well up in • due time. But there were some rank Irish weeds, some no less rank Scotch, and he.was afraid not a few rank English weeds, constantly springing up, which might choke the seed and disappoint the harvest. Situated as the cabinet was, he wondered. how this Bill was brought in, and * doubted whether some persons gave a sincere vote for it. Ministers must doubt less have great difficulty . in keeping their landed friends in or der on the present occasion. • They paid, it was true, much de ference to the consul over the way (Lord Liverpool), but they felt that a more perfect obedience was due to Casar—to the great dictator on the woolsack. If, however, he were Prime Minister, he would lower their tone—by putting the laws among them —by asking them why their rents should always be high ? He would speak the plain•truth to them, and tell them that the interests of all the other classes of society were not to be sacrificed to theirs. He was yesterday reeding a book—a very good book, written by a divine—in which it was stated that hell was 'paved with good intentions. He supposed the Treasury was also paved with good intentions, though, like those of the other place, they were very slow in coming to per. fection. For instance, the present Corn Bill had paised many years ago, when we were said to be in a transition trout war to peace. The transition, however, had lasted long, and 17,000,0001. of taxes ad been reduced without any alters)• tion in the Corn Laws. . . The Bill was then committed. The Earl of LAUDERDALE made a few observations on the first clause of the Bill, which he considered hastily and in accurately drawn up, but did not oppose it. The Earl of lIIALIIIESBURY, though he objected to this measure, disclaimed any wish to raise his rents, and regretted that such language as that used by the Noble Lord( King) should have been uttered in that House. He then proceeded to object to the clause under consideration, on the ground that it did not afford sufficient protection to the English farmer. His Lord ship concluded by moving that the clause be omitted. Lord KING observed, that nothing was so good as a good name ; it was a fine thing to cry out for the protection of agri culture just as it was to raise the cry of " No Popery." Lord LILFORD defended the protectors of the agricultural interests from the sarcasms of the Noble Lord (King). In op posing the clause, he disclaimed acting in the spirit of a mono polist. As manufacturers become informed, they would see diat . their interests were intimately connected with those of the agriculturists. In the absence of information on the subject, he Was not prepared to say either content or not content on this clause; but if he were urged to decide one way or the other, Undoubtedly, without sufficient information, he would say " not content ;" and on that ground—nanaelr, the want of informs tion—be would support the motion of the Noble Earl (Malmes bury). 'the Earl of LIVERPOOL could not allow the motion to go to a vote without stating the grounds on which he support ed the clause. The subject was one of the most important, in his opinion, which could be discussed• in that !louse.— lie would not, at present, say one word on the general ques tion of a free corn trade ; but even those who most strenuous ly argued the expediency of such a system, never laid it down without reserving some protection for the agricul turists. lie contended, however, that a liberal system was atended with no danger wh atever from America; the waters of the Atlantic were a sufficient security against that. "the dan ger, if any there was (and he did .not here say that there was or was not any), arose from the European market. No danger could possibly arise from the states of America generally, and particularly from our own American colonies. The real ques tion was, the good or evil which might result from this mea sure twenty years hence. The average importation from Ca nada was lfi,ooo quarters annually ; the largest quantity that had been imported from thence m any one year was 47,000 qUarters : if this bill were to pa ss , many years m ust e l a pse be fore 100,000 quarters could be imported. It had various difil culties to contend with ; the duty was 55., and the insurance and freight were lbs. 6d., besides which, the trade was stint iv, for six months in the year, and confined exclusively to British sh ips. So far from being injuriou s i n i ts consequences to agric u lt u re, he maintained that this m easure would be bene ficial to it, and therefore it was most extraor d inar y to him that any prejudice should exist against it. But, on the other hand. had any N oble Lord reflected on the immense import ance of Canada to t his countr y ? The mercantile navigation of thistoastl h ,700,000 ton s , an d of that, be tweena employed by C a n a d a ; addi tiont country wa s one o f t h e main props id fifth our trade from it were taken all th e best and. acofouonitthry amounted w t o of which our hardiest of our seame n. But by a narrow and contracted po licy towards Canada (it . was a different thing with respect to the Baltic), their Lordships would .throw all that navigation into the United State s. Canada was not poor; she prnv ere d, she throve ; and he trusted she would continue to prosper 'and thrive, but.he wanted to make her.feel that she. prospeted and throveim time h e by with Great Britain ; and at the same their Lordshp importance of efeel the rlier wished connexion tothsko i not throwing away the advantages which she afforded to this country. he Noble Earl, after replying to some of the oh jections of the Noble Lord who had spoken last, said he . was satisfied to alter the duration of the clause to three years, which would afford them an opportunity of judging of the,Ojections to it; for he confessed that nothing could caese him more se vere disappointment, than the rejection of this measure. He objected. to its being limited to one - year, :It'au;ti - he hoped that all the Corn Laws would undergo revision next year &tit thi s , he contended, ought to be taken separately fmor the others, for Canada stood on distinct grounds. Let the - general Cr' - o Laws be taken upon their own merits ; but this tneastire, 11e was Satisfied, was right and expedient. • . The Earl of LAUDERDALE arg U e d aga i nst the clause...lt was supported, it seemed, on the 'ground of the importance: cif Canada; but had the Noble Lord - oPpealte overlooked that jai: portance when the regulations were fiamed for the impartation of corn from other countries ? He could not consent to that -, clanse•without further information. • Lord . DACRE objected to the - clause--.first, in the absence of sufficient information; and - next ; on the ground of suCli formation as he had received. He contended that in enacting this clause, they were legislatingnot for Canada, but for the United States; for the United States would haVe no difficulty in smuggling their corn _into Casts along the . lakes. The. House was -therefore enacting That - the whale produce of the United States might be imported, at an adequate duty;into country for three years to Come. He hoped, - therefore, their Lordships would pause before they passed a measure that might be. followed by the destruction of agriculture. Earl BATHURST combated the objection to the clause • founded on - insUfficientinforniation. They could not . ground any just calculations on the present price of wheat in Canadni because if the ports were throWn open it would immediately advance; but three years' experience would enable them to form the best judgment upon the subject. He denied that there was.a great facility for smuggling from the United States into Canada; the Canadians knew it was their interest to oppose it, and they did so effectually. The Earl of AIALIIIESBURY asked why it might not be deferred to next Session ? The Earl of LI VERPOOL said his objection to deferit to next Session was, th a t it w ou ld h a i e the effect of mixing it up with the general questi on , an d i t was most essential. that it should be kept disurict. A few words were then interchanged between the Earl of MA,LMESIIVRY and the Earl of LIVERPOOL, with respect to the duration of the measure ; when the latter, first said he would accept two years instead of three; and then that he would he satisfied that the measure should only continue for one year, and to the end of the then next session : upon which Lord Malmesbury withdrew his motion . for the omission of the clause. 'The Earl of LAUDERDALE then moved that the certifi cate which was required by the bill as to the corn being the pro duce of Canada should' be given by the grower and owner of the grain, instead of the shipper. The clause was, as we un derstood, agreed to. The other clauses were then agreed to without objection.— The Rouse resumed, and the report was ordered to be received to-morrow. • The Earl of SHAFTESBITRY moved that an Address 1) , ! presented to his Majesty, praying that he would order to be laid before their Lordships an abstract of the population of Ireland, according to the census of 1821. The Sian Dieman's Land Judges Bill piked through a Com mittee, and was ordered to be reported to-morrow. The House then adjourned at HALE-FAST SEVEN O'CLOCK. HOUSE OF COMMONS. CHARTER SCHOOLS iN IRELAND. • Sir JOHN NEWPORT gave notice, that on Thursday next he would call the attention of the House to the cruelties practised in the charter schools in Ireland, and at the same time he would move an Address to the Crown, praying that directions may be given for the prosecution of the authors and abettors of those atrocious cruelties. EXPLANATION. Mr. LITTLETON wished, in justice to himself, to correct a misunderstanding which had gone abroad with respect to what had fallen from him on a former evening on the subject of the proceedings of the Oil (ins Committee. On that occa sion be joined some lion. Members in reprobating the conduct of Members on some private Committees. Ile afterwards found that in two newspapers it was represented as if he had alluded to the conduct of particular persons. lie begged now to say, that his observations were not meant to apply personally to any individuals. They were made generally a and applied to what he believed to be a general practice. Sir J. COFFIN said, that he had been described as sitting on the Committee, and being one of the trustees. The facts were not so. He did not attend the Committee at all this Session. ST. OLAVE'S (lIART-STREET).TITHE BILL. Mr. CALCRAFT rose to move the second reading of the St. Olave's Tithe Bill, and in doing so, wished to make a few ob servations on a subject which he considered of material impOrt ance. He had been induced to take up the present Bill prin cipally on account et the exertions previously made with respect to the parish of St. Andrew's, Holborn. In consequence of the operation of that Bill, the tithes of that perish had been satis factorily settled. The parish of St. Olave's consisted of 175 houses, and contained 1,012 inh a bi tants. U nder t h e C ommon Law, houses were not tithable excepting in a part of the city of London. But it was contended that they were - liable under the Decree of 1535, to the payment of 2s. tel. in the pound. He pndosoi t nt o i,o a wn l lhwoowa was , rn 2 e 7 fie f e • rr - e ft edd y had advised the parishioners to allow the incumbent 1,8201. per annum, notwithstanding the property had been, a few years ago, worth but 2501., and the duty was performed by a curate at a stipend of 100/. per annum. In addition to those condi tions,tnocincumbents, mo fh i : et s d e ,t proposedhoefpLrooasa. tt the year thet provisiono t e considera tion futu re side r abeenn ßishop d too small by 150/. He confessed the want of the Bishop's con -sent was a great difficulty ; but he pledged himself, if the Bill were permitted to be read a second time, that the difficulty would be arranged, or . the Bill altogetheredropped. •His wish was, to prevent members of the Established Church from being alienated from its interests by such vexatious proceedings as arose out of' the tithe of houses. He would merely observe, that the Decree of 1535 had never been enro ll ed, and was therefore imperative. l'he Hon. Member concluded by moving that the Bill be now read a second time. Dr. PHI LLI MORE considered this was an attempt to intro duce a measure for the spoliation of public property, under the guise of II private Bill. By the 37th of Henry VIII• the tithe of houses had been established ; and t h oug h the enrolment of the Decree was disputed, that was a question for the decision of a Court of Law, and not for the consideration of•the House. -He thought if the House consented to paste the present Bill, they might next pass a Bill to regulate the - property of any private individual, whet had, at a former period, received m alts f rom the Crown. The lion. Member con c l u d e d by moving as an attendment, that the Bill be rejected. - Mr. H. SUMNER said, he understood that the incumbent had net Consented to the introduCtion of the Bill. • Mr. CALCRAFT, in explanation, stated, that theineutn bent had consented to the terms offered by the Parishioners. Mr. DENMAN hoped the House would not do anything; to sanction an impost of 2s. 9d. in the pound en the houses of Lon don He denied that the decree of 1535 bad received the sanc tion of enrolment; and the Act of the 37th of Henry VIII. had not been inserted in the earlier edition of the Statutes. In the 4th and sth of tOlweed VI. Commissionere had, been appointed to regulate tithes, and they had made . .the draught o f a decree, which was only /let. carried into effect io cone e q uence of the death of the young This would never have been done if the decree or 153 i had been considered as the law of the land. In the reign of Charles I. the subject of Otlie . was referred to the King by the Clergy and citizens, which Woukl never have been done if the question had been settled uod_er the decree al. luded to o In fact the enrolment of the decree had been tried as an issue in the case betwe e n Hellani and. Adams, and not withetanding the finding of that Jury, he ;aid not .consider pee_ sons of the.present day as liable to ,be bound by the verdict. 'lt per was feet , . COMpetent to try the question again- Th e F ire sheet Act was the next referred to , and. took after the comae_ gration of London On that occasion _J out of 147 parishes 1 MI the Fire Act • • had been butottlan the grotto( . _ provided for • specific e mi t fora cereampenotl, without any the payment or a, . reference Whatsoeveteto the .tithe 0, 9tl • • _ in thelip pound. NISI I m O Mr. Serjeant ()i OW thou ; teeaa•eo introduced into this iliseusaion . many dengerous • deetr;nes' relative vested rights of the Church,, and he Should, for thin reason, vote for the amehdreetoa. • • 1 1 4 Ir. A. BA It I Ner, hopea that,Gen denten would for the future ' exchange some of that anxiety which tip felt for . tabs ,property of the Choreh kw a ,tle4re to i'op i>p)Pie Lawyera looked bn such questions as toe ptesent merely a s questions of property, and seemed to forget that nothi ng was _ more likely to undermine the ('hutch than the frequent diseto • sions which were going on between .stie _clergymen and .peir parishioners. The present cptitended,. WILK not au un. clue interfu'ence with private prbparty, fur it the Bishop could ket 150 F. more a year froui the, parisl, he filins-4 i n t er . fere. 'lle trusted the Bill Would be iier4litted".to.go . through second reading, as it might lead . to some arrangeinent between the parties ; and he thougl;tt House should allvais , • give encoura;rn ;eent to such private aujostments. 51r. C. V 4 . WYNN said the question ivo:s not witether, in die . present instance, there were a vested rightnenot... the reel question . was, whether that House 'should hecome.ar6tart of Justice to inquire into and decide on disputes.with respect to property. If present Itiil passed;Mativ other parishes would petition the House, each saying that its Sector received only so much for a great many years, and thit therefore he: ought not for the future, under any circurnstanees, to gei more. It v.iolrld be a ms.nifest injustice to act on such a principle,- for it often happened that an incumbent succeeded in overturning a modus which had existed for a viry loug peiiod. The present he . contended, was a direct attack - on private property, and, if allowed to go on, would open the door of similar attacks on property of every description. DEAIMAN explained. rile. COURTI.. , NA contended. there was evidence.that the Decree had been registered, and that, therefore, the vested right watt clearly established; he did not know. 'on what grounds the HOuse was ,called on to interfere en the' present occasion, and prevent the questions being decided in a court Of Justice; Mr. WM. SMITH thought the present not a. 'private .one; if so, it was that description of private bill,. in which the interest of the public were - ten times more 'cleet)li , concerned than that of the iqdividuals who might seem more immediately Connected with it. If the stability of the Church meant no thing more than' the permaneney of itsproperty„ then, indeed, Gentlemen were, perhaps, right in opposing the bill ; but he thought there were other and . higher considerations which should influence the votes of the /Ouse. The Hon. Member supported the bill. _ Mr. Secretary PEEL.said he did not expect to obtain a more Patient hearing than those Ron,. Members who preceded him. —He thought the confuSion prevailed during the present discussion was easily accounted for; it was . owing to A convic tion that that House was not the proper place for it; many Members on entering must, he was sure, have fancied that by some mistake they had strolled into the court of King's Bench. --(A laugh.)—The present queStion ought to be .sent into a Court of law, and there decided, From the Manner in which it lately appeared, private ,business was conducted, he did not wish to interfere in the slightest degree with any Bill which might be considered_ private. The present one hi opposed on public grounds ; if, as it has been asserted, there exist ed a legal doubt which this bill was intended to remove, he conjured the House not to interfere. It' the House were competent to decide on questions of private property, why might they not inquire into the right of the Duke of Bedford to the tolls of Covent-garden.market ? He protested against the Bill aLso, inasmuch as the consent of the Bishop was not had. He (Mr. Peelj trusted the House would then reject the Bill, as he had reason to expect that next year there would he intro duced a Bill likely to satisfy all parties. e thought the HHouse should in the present instance act on the He principle Of not interfering with private property, unless the consent of All parties be first had.. Mr. Alderman WOOD supported the Bill. The pa rishioners were not in a situation to go into a Court of Law.— They were confined to going before thelord Chancellor, who would notgrani an issue to be tried in an inferior Court.. Mr. Ald'e'rman BRIDGES supported the Bill, but thought it would be desirable the matter should be referred first to a Committee above stairs. Mr. CA LCRA FT replied. Sir JOHN NICHOLI, observed that' they would allow, it appeared, the present Rector to get 1,8001. a year; Which was a pretty good acknowledgment of the legality of WA elaftn, and yet they proposed to give all sutteeeding Rectors only 1,2001. a-year. The House then divided— For the Bill - - .- - Lii Against it • - - - 3ti Majority - . - - —1 9 The Bill was then read a socona time. COMBINATION LAWS. Mr. HUME presented petitions from thejourieymen To bacconists and Shipwrights of Dublin,_ praying th: - .t .he House would not re - enac t t h e C om bi na ti o n Laws. They also wished to be - beard against some of the toasters and some of the police, who had been examined before the Committee : and they complained that fifty trades should'not be stigmatised for the violence inflicted by a few individuals who only belonged to four or five trades. HINDU( WIDOWS: . • • Mr. HUM B had a petition to - present which was of some impottance. It related to the practice of the burning of. liindoo widows in India—ti practice which he deprecated as a violation of the principles of reason and humanity, and which lie was of opinion was not consonant with the proper interpretation of the llindoo laws • 'and this opinion he derived from the fart, that not one in a hundred !Endo° widows adopted it, mei that it was much less practised in those parts of Indi a where the !lin.' doo religion was most scrupulously preserved by the natives, than in those presidencies where there was a greater laxity of prejudice. The Hon. Member then read a few extracts from the papers which had been laid on the table of the House, upon the motion of his Hon. Triend (Mr. Powell Buxton), which he insisted illustrated his position, from the state of the case in the Presidencies of Calcutta and Bengal, by-showing the comps. rative state of the public feeling in India respecting a prat... , tice which was so revolting and, repugnant, that he thought it the duty of the Government to put it down, and might be abolished. without 'the least danger, or incurring the, least risk in the India Empire. Be hoped his Bon. Friend would not allow the Session' to elapse without bringing the subject once more before Parliament. The petition was from the parish of Crail, in Scoiland. • _ _ . Mr. F. BUXTON stated at some length the reasons which had prevented him from bringing this qietstion in-a more deft.. nice shape before the House. He had been restraint.; chiefly by the political afftirs,of India, the Burmese war, and the to pies both of a civil and military character whiCh had been a g i► tated on that continent within the last two years. As the pecu liar interest and feelings to which these topieS had given rise had chiefly passed away, he proposed in the first week of the next sessien to bring the question directly before the House. He remarked that from the returns already made in five years, there had been in the province of Bengal alone 3,4'00 females blunt on the funeral piles of their husbands. The real amount, in all probability, went far beyond the official returns. Gentle men conversant with the affitirs of India had assured Mm that the real ?mothers would be niece like 10,000 than 3,000, and this, the House would observe. in the province of Bengal alone. He really feared that the conduct of Government had uninten ,tionally promoted this wickedness. To say the least, t h e natives were not made acquainted with the' feelings' of . th e British legislatnre by any declared disapprobation of the p rac . tire. The police of the Indian Government were req u i re d to dthe birni r in: wasbiiilttheyconstrued were directed not to interfere to t t e prevent n tl ' ieointo a • silent aequies. a• cence of these abominations. Now, what rendered • these facts' the more melancholy • was, that the prectiee itself was not absolutely required 'by the Hlneloo religion.. Alany of their Pundits had • written expressly against it. m e n tt, • their the 'British greateSt - laW authority, merely said, that the widow must . be peepared to practise austerittes,—to that chaste,- retired, and abstemieutily, or else she ought to ascend the 'fune'ral . pile . of the mere•will'of• • her husband. A native author had described the descent of Albuquerque on the . territory' of Goa, 'end added,. ' that his Countrymen said much good of him, hecan - 4 hte'to lt aeiteo p . to judges had recorded their opinion s the burnings. Some of the most active add intelligent of the local magistrates and that the Government, and that the natives would be highly gratified ti , ith the change.- Among others, lie mentioned with particular practice might be put a stop to by respect the conduct and opiniona of Mr. Lo s hi ngton, . brother to liis Hon. and Learned Friend near - him, w h o -h eei, as far as his Tersotial power and ireftnence would reach, et;forced thb absolute suppression of the practice-. -- He mentioned R „. e i.M instances in which the sacrifices had been prevented by th e d e _ - terinined interference of the local althorities, which had giiren great satisfaction to the native popu.ation. - • Mr. TRANT said that, notwithstanding the reservationeof the lion. Member for Werneuth, the question h a d been &wile pletelyopened, and his design of moving the egoist for a c ome mittee in the neat Session had been so directly avowed, t h at he (:)Ir. Trant) having had considerable experience in this r nat ,„ hem a long residence in Intlia,•ctiald not refrain from - oivize; ' seine expre sa im to his 'sentiments on this occasion. h e e g: - served that, as the south_wasnaore rematkable-the.n the nettli of Hindi:wan, so Bengal, perhaps, exhibited a greater number of these sacrifices than any other province of India. It was, in fact, the chief seat of 'Endo() superstition. Wh y it was so, be did not pretend to determine.- But upon one point his mind was made up—that it would be higblyida.otterous and . improper for the :British Um:ant:teat. to')interferewith a vio lent hand in A 4ny:- thing which concerned tbe relinions rites of tliaiiiiidotAlF He had himself known anative of that'coun t4,.the most enlightened man of all the-Asiatics whom he had met with. This persur saw enough of the sapetiotitYof En yopean education. to make him have. his children brOught 'Lip in these scioolv.. Tai za.• conversation which he had with this person upon the atrocity of : these - It:Ting:4 that man, clever as he was, and so well inclined to. Eumpeans and their Manners, justified the practice .and said, " That i 4 a point of , our religion, and your Government must not inter!` re with it.' Upon which he made up his mind immediately that the British GoVernmezt could not properly. put down the practice by the strong arm of authority. if they were to do so it was plain'that this individual wruld have quitted all 'his inclinations towards the manners, religion, and education of the English, to defend u.e rites of his own religion. Mi. WYNN was afraid that the steps which had bean taken Co put down the practice had tended to its increase. Doubtless it was the duty of to do all in ;:s power, which could be dole with safety, to do away with it, - of to lessen the instances. Bot he was convinced that- the British Parliament could do nothing in it w ith any p r op r i e ty. N o genera l mea sdre could be adopted which would not imply the moat aldrm ing danger. It was not a subject for Britishlegislation. They could not make Lws for so Vast a continent as they might' ler limited territory, inhabited by people of one religion and one common sentiment. They were to conaider the varieties of N.., ptilation and feelings, and other_ circumstances which must be long.to -a country,tneasuring 2,009 miles from north to south, and the same from east to west. The task of Suppressing 'the practice lAust be left to the discretion and firmness of the local authorities, and the directions which they would receive on that head finm the Board of Directors. Sir C.FORBV,S said that it -WS3 continually to be lamented thit.the 'British Government had not,.. at an early stage of 7 the conrcinest, peremptorily abolished the practice. When Lord Wellesley was in India, 20 years ago, he might, with one stroke of his pen, had not.been restrained, have put. an end to it_ He highly.applauded the government of that great man in India which was nearly as perfect in mildness, wisdom, and firmness, as . eould be expected from the known a nd general defects of our common, nature. But resat Nobleman had shown his power by the Peremptory suppres,..ion of infanticide, which was as stoutly defended on the score of superstition as this horrid practice of Intining widows. The case had materially altered since then. The natives would have received with gladness so salutary - a proof of, the firmness of the British Government. Since - then their religious jealousies had been zwakened. A formidable church establishment had been founded amongst theni. Shoals of Missionaries . had been allowed •to go in among them, and their feelings had taken a posture of hostility which before they would not basic experienced. Still he was of opinion th at 'th e British GOvernrnent would do well to compel the. Direct Ors, and through them the local authorities, to interfere. .Ir was absurd to suppose that the love of' life was lrss in the bosom of a flindoo.woman than in any other person. The sacrific e s were not voluntary. In every case they were the effect of persuasions 'froth the Brahmins and. the relatives of the women. The mi serable victims would be happy to take refuge from these cruel suggestions under a law of the British Legislature, milking it murder for any one to aid or abet these sacrifices. Until some thing of this kind Were done. it would, be in vain to expect from the local authoi•ities any efficient means for suppressing the abominable rites. - • Sir CIY.DE FiAST was convinced not only of the impolicv and harshness of this Legislature interfering, but also that the sacrifices themselves were considerably increased by the te peated discusaions which were agitated in Parliament upon the subject,L4Cries of " No, no.")—He attributed many of them to the growing jealousy which the natives entertained of the in terference of Government, and of the shoals of missionaries who had mingled with them. If these men merely preached the gospel, he would have no objection to their residence there : they might persuade the unfortunate widows, in the language of the apostle of our church, that it was better- to marry tha n burn, and then they would be induced to addopt a course of conduct more agreeable to themselves. Mr. W. SMITH said, that so far front being convinced by those Gentlemen who arreeted experiente in Indian affair:, that Parliament ought not to interfere, be felt convincra, that no thing effectual would be done in quashing this•abominable and bloody idolatry by the local authorities until they were de nounced by Iw.. Mr. HUM E, on moving for the printing of the-petition, said that the hope of effecting the extirpation of these .cruel rites by the mere disposition of the Court oT Directors, and .their instructions to the local Authorities, might be judged of .from this fact.that front 1787 down to the end of 142(), there was not One letter—not one line-not even a word of aisapprobation,ex, pressed by the Directors to' those authorities.' The first move ment of tie kind took place iu consequence of the. motion-of his lion. Friend the ISlember for Weymouth. He Was convinced that the business must he effected by a:Conl rn i a „ of that _House. No half measures would do here. All that the. Go. vernment and the Court of Directors had hitherto done, had only had the effeet oflegalizin . gthe murders in the eyes of the natives. They ought first to Inquire into tt Committee as to the safest and most efficacious means of suppresslog them : and then to 'adopt a law for the peremptory enforcement of tilos:. means. Sir I. COFFIN said that the readiest way to lose India would be to interfore.with the superstitions of tho people. D Sit ri v E EAST applauded the local aothoritie , , for their successful efibrts'in reducing the number of sacrifices. Mr. F. BUXTON - was obliged to the Hon. Member who.. spoke last for doing sway in his second speech with the ctiaro - which he had made against. him in his 'first, ;lie- had, Ora charged liiM with increasing the numimer of Siittcit by raising discussions in the Mouse,: in the second speech, far froth.. their haying incytT4ed at all, their numbers were said to have,, declined' considerably. , Mr. TRANT said a few wards. • . • Mr. MONEY said, that it. was in the power of the Go. verament to suppress the practice without offending the na- . five population. He referred the House to several, instances in the reports, wherein 1061 Magistrates, faithfully intent upon the discharge of their duty, nitre .prrsuasion prevented the' hurrsingS: 'Whatever might be said, the Hin.- t . dpo was attached •by -the..love. - of existence like . 70ther crea tures. In one province it had been prohibited. and the natives rested atisfietl; nor were they known in a single instance to have sangllt an opportunity . of eluding that regula;ion,-•though , they had 'only' to cross a river and enter the. 7dakatia erritory,- where they would'be'entirely free from it, and atiailliberty to effect the cruel sacrifices.. _ . The - petition was then macro:l'th be` printed. E PRISONERS. - , • Mr. RUNE gave notice that to-Morrow he would move for certain papers regarding State Prisoners. The sarne Hon. Atrmritß gaVe notice, .that on Wt.dnesdav he would move for 'papers relating to promotions in Chelsea Hospital IRISH CHURCH RATES. . • . The House went into a Committee on t'fe. Irish (Antral Rates ➢ilTon the motion of Sir J. NEWPORT. A conversation occurred across the table on .the wording of some of the clauseS,beiween .Mr. Goulbourn, Sir J. . Mr. Ifiglitt,'Dr. Lushington, and Mr. S. Rice.—At was ordered that.the Report be received en Monday. • • • The Report on the Pirates' /lead-Alone) , Bill was brought kip by Mr. Brogdeti, on the motion of Sir George Cockburn.— The Arnendments were agreed to.. - • . MAURITIUS TRADE BILL., On the motion of Mr. fitrutisoli, the /louse resolved itself into a committee on this Bill.' - Mr. BERNAL wished to know whethei it would be sllovipd., to import all kinds of 'colonial pi . oduce, iiichuling suga,i, iniu . the MaurititiS, or not ? • • -• : HOS/U . BBON, referring to his observations of a former night, begged to repeat that the main Object of the Bill was to place theauritius trade upon the same footing, and und er t h e cattle reghlations, both with regard to its colonial .trade and its trade kith this country, as any of our Weist /mho island. With regard to the importation Into the Mauritius of foreign sugars, that remained in the same state as it was left by the /1111 which had been already successfully introduced into that House, and by which such foreign sugars could not be admitted into the Mauritius,• • . • • ' ' • : Mr. BERI%IAL begged it might be supposed for a moment that the Bill to Which the Bight Hoh. Gentleman had just alluded should haPpeti to be thrown'St Of the other ouse of Parliament, and not pass; in what situation would this qwest ion theii be left ? The pretient Bill was on this subject notwordoil. in the same term* as -the 'other; whlth other,' however; was cited in explanation of the objects of this. But what possible objection could there be, seeing how important it was that there should be no doubt in the matter, to insert a few words