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tare .• tent:leular operation of these laws also was deserving of atte ti n ie . (41r ,. a t. ___o. Ily including within them an insult to the religion of , Jur ,. , 1 1, these laws became an insult . to the highest, and an in thei to the lowest, of them all. This furnisl i iet i l an is ans t s i v e e s r tio t i o l Iv _ rtiost hacknied of all sophistries, viz. : tva. th. 0 a,, whether Mr. O'Connell should have a silk gown ; q or_ four t t-hefive Noblemen. should have a seat in that House? Did not 1, Poorest priest see his religion trampled under foot ? He a.'?d that it would not again be said that the I opiali C , le i rt, e 7 .p. el re averse to the dissemination of the Scripture 1 t etel onended that they should not be extended without s. s iti. freer‘e,t.tion. Upon this point lie would read them a sent,..i.ct„ Co l h igh authority :—" Have those . persons" said the writer, tx `° hoin bibles are distributed, either leisure_ or ability to pound some of its text. Then must they not learn from iii borr ors some some kind, and can there be a better tha f n il t i li r e 4°45,...0f common prayer." Thi s was not the language of pre , late i7ce,ney or Mr. O'Shauglinessy, but of a distinguished n 'Le Church of England. His sincere advice to theiiis i: ta e if d a n 'es who were sent to Ireland was to use the language o th en ess and favour to melt down prejudices, and not to make pen_selves be regarded as emissaries of the . enemy.. The only Ca t }: 4 '?ent danger of Ireland was the continuing to refuse .. the n eed " °ll e claims His age and the circumstances of his con- . a With ,' tipe a ki hn the cause, gave him the unenvied privilege of Ir a , ,ng what he thought with perfect freedom to others. He areas °a mid to point out that if the principles which . marked this th u re continued in operation, there were many that ‘ House ' efatilwould bitterly rue it.—(H ear, hear !)—I t was u . l th . ed_oc ( t t r i i e n s e . a 0 , i , e lttY that the Catholic question was not a principal k. Th e - lies "Majesty's Ministers—it was a secondary .. question the r,_, ,pacirication of Ireland was a secondary question with . twint eitlet !--(14 's e ar !)—lf it were not so how would they main_ tnentheir alliance? They were not less cordial in their agree t - As t f:,. n that account, nor more hostile in their disagree . m t i :i i n i s . wh o ii; a: uovernment pledged to resist the Catholic t i l t. i t _ ie , ' Ywila e i r t (l it Was imossible in his opinion to imagine,,.i Rightl I on'Attorreaills of any thing more absurd. lie ?Pealcharacter ' t he fancy,or Ireland had told them that he would : to the House as a jury whether he had abandoned his barg a i n entering the Cabinet as lie had done without any as to the question : and he must confess he had b,...._ r n t .of hey surprised at the cheers which attended Mackintosh) fl e a ' ahoo,l,Bneech upon these topics. He (Sir J. . &A ,„nt lie ought to have stipulated upon this subject, denti- 't as it was with his genius and fame. And if lie were i to challt n th Ri e some of the jurors as partially returned,. he majoritythught oft ti, got non Gentleman would find the unbiassed j l —e Rouse of opinion that suck ought to have been his conduct. Iflale CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and Mr. NoRTH hae. t the same moment. The Chancellor of the Exchequer ving given way, _Alt. vi l reas -1 / 4 'RTII declared that his opinion of the present ure was, that it . would advance the cause of the Catho floe . 1 3 1'„ a n, d efface from it the stigma which the violence and l °' some inefficient men had cast upon it. The Hon. and I,,,rened Gentleman who had just sat down, had promulgated . a ba te at number of general principles, to all of which he assentett,. I,oensidered that lie failed when lie came to the application of 1. There lie shrunk from the true question before the th -a ke , and intrenched himself behind the strong bulwark of il e ou - " tin) lic Cause. if it were admitted, that the Commons ° fspi„i t 3e f Parliament represented the people according to the th t the Constitution, he thought it must necessarily follow t.au-staAnY other assembly, professing to represent the people, qu est ."' a violation of the Constitution. This, then, was the ho w ' . ° a as regarded the Catholic Association. He cared not r, ot it was elected, nor by whom, whether it was voluntary or t a - ti , ,s loaf as they were afterwards confirmed the represe.n chiP of tie people. It was indifferent to him how the mis rot,,,,,errie so that it actually existed. If any stranger were 4 01 11-, , ,in his. house in actual possession of his property, con to i tl u ng his servants and threatening his life, lie would not stop windature whether he was let in by the door or got in by the Catholic°‘F but proceed at once to eject him. So if he found the the Association seducing the affections of the people from ,d,,,,F,gitinaate object of the Commons House of Parliament, be Ar_ultt consider himself called upon to sess them. Now :flad, I O'Connell told the Association he did not care for tbe ow, it was the substance he looked to, and that they pas essed. "Do we not," said he, " represent the people ? Ask _ th e l priests, ask the people who. ay their inoney, mid look at the " I nbers enrolled !" It was a question whether this state of t hings was notattended with imminent danger to the peace of the country. He knew,that 10,000/. or 100,0091. rent was very little o_pro , cure Emancipation ; but the question did not rest there. alluded edgedreatest evil had escaped the attention of the Ilouse. He _,!l to the Catholic Rent. Every meting on that subject w as a minor association, held in every part of the country. Those meetings were in the abodes of persons, in chapels and ';2ll•'.t ntparts, where the conductors were not under one censor a3 ot the press. This lie considered a great evil ; the meet _s,.vtere under the superintendance of the Catholic Priest. t h e 'll In Dublin all went out publicly. It was circulated in ak t ,, ° untry, and came back dark and poisonous. One was a p ool :rem! of religio us rancour, the other a turbulent whirl he ' sk t . politi ca l an i mosity. From the disposition of his mind Pul at ruld be the first to excuse the ebullition of a po the ~, a ssembly, but there was something in the debates . of 1 4 , a•tatholic Association which applied to the darker periods. ci a u . e , e had bearaThings done which some of the Catholic Asso- H e "o did not feel conscientiously to be their own sentiments. whi ei n ely Mr. O'Connell, and was sure there . was something ot. t , governed that gentleman and told him all the measures . aterY le Association were not those he could support. Ilini preeea'; masters were placed above him. It was stated in the itte(ontia of the Catholic Association that all were of one Iph at Vt as that the case? There was emulation in violence. _, Th e - A was cool and temperate to-day was violent yesterday. la 1 'Lssociation next year, if suffered to exist, would be inure its ° , l , e4t than this. He might ask, whether the proceedings of 3 W t e i t r u e - J e o L ill a h _ e _ rs Were in accordance with the principles of the Con change or fluctuate as they might . their measures pti va `nose of irritation. Their aim was to vilify ever y man in The te.life whom they considered hostile to their objects. cas es I.t'ght Honourable Secretary for Ireland had stated two ch ar i n which th ere h ad been a most outrageous attempt to to „ge a per son with murder, and a soldier with a disposition ca s r° e ure unlawf u l oaths. There was an acquittal in both • cases ' An Ilonourable and Learned Gentleman said those ! I ,uitterp e ' ve d nothing. How did it happen they were _ac- t I t tru t h' Why, truth, as it generally is, was apparent, to co tiv , . had not been distinguished, and there had been , a bee action, what would the prosecutors have said? . It had that assumed there was a mal-administration of justice, and therethheAnstitution had proved . a che . ck upon it. He dented at th hail been any mal-administration. He had practised sh_ p Irish liar since 1811, and from the acquittal Doctor m an, he7 down to the prosecution against Mr. O'Conn , ell, 14 tlnever known a perversion of justice.—(Hear, hear .)—. th e egged the House to attend to the recommendation of told gre at advo cate of the Catholic Association. Cobbett a tat,he Catholic Association two months since to draw up plai n t :pent of the acts of oppression of which they_ 9mr ld, theyf they gave that statement to the people of En t ,- Th at would attend to it more than long spe . eche , s i -- act 4 was sensible advice, but they did not attend to it. . he t. the,ei oPpression had no foundation but in the wicked plana of of ac who fabricated them. The Member for Limerick :night n o ppression. Had he named any ?. It was sa .l u sgo tl e they ti ot , 07tain tranquillity through the medium to o (v.,_ut admitting that to be so, would not the Parliam . ent pay_ hands t for it? Was it not putting an iron sceptre . into the qui p „ c ° l ' the Association, and a reed in the hand of the Mar lin:4h j e ` rt:n W s. ellesley. II: would not accept tranquillity on The voice which called for peace with deadly Pre se T, f a fellow man was unnatural. It was impossible to Wi th ‘e Peace by working on the best feelings of Ireland.— saia i r esPect to Orange Lodges, of which so much had been able' i lie very name of Orangemen implied every thing detest idea, ' f '. the opinion of the Catholics. It was a cloak in their by tk or every thing odious. Ile might fairly presume, that t esta u n e t term Orangemen- the Catholics of Ireland meant Pro be trap As against the Orangemen they said they could not knew t hq ui ll but cherish against them eternal enmity. He th e . t_tiere were some who would resist such sentiments, but tia l i e „",' not come forward to contradict such outrageous sen or higsta• ancient Killeen had come forward in a manner worthy Cath iancient house and noble name. He was surprised other te a , "e Noblemen and Gentlemen did not come forward to co u nt th e i r cause from such hands. In his opinion his fellow -1141 Ynlva would never obtain their object whilst they conti hear 1) 0 hold towards Protestants a feeling alienative.—(Hear, could -- Y holding out the right hand of conciliation they li e A MilY hope to succeed. It had been said the Cacho ser;.sociation was a counter association. He denied that as -111411°n• When did it co me f orwar d ? N ot b e f ore the Orange was were discard e d b y G overnment, and the arm of power ran rants discarded to crush th em. If the Orangemen should again L wo,),:ott . which Heaven forbid, the disorder which might ensue . be occasioned by th e acts of the Catholics. The bible 3° eletie ta ,,_ 8 had been charred with being the cause of the out. th , gcs on the part of the association, but no man who knew 4,.e,ee.xcellent and exemplary manner in which those Societies ,'. (1 % could give the least credit to such a statement. The As uciation should b iii down by force, and unless the Catholics Wls hed to el) ' , n ot keep coals of fire on their own heads, they would •Leetto onnose the good feelings of their Protestant fellow-sub !.. gaving declared his sentiments on this important sub deprived "i he should return to Ireland, where he knew he might be of the regard and esteem of many who should, not `4l%_,,,tleisrtanding, receive his esteem, though their sentiment!!might , 1 L . from his own. He saw the necessity of supporting the Tl, because he would keep up the spirit of the Constitution— (Hear hear !)—that part of the Constitution which made Par liament the sole authority for laws, because it kept up the dig- nit? of the law and Government, and preserved the peace of the country. Dr. LUSH INGTON said the Honourable and Learned Gentleman who had just sat down, had expressed his appre hension that on his return to Ireland the sentiments he had ex pressed this night would deprive him of the friendship and re, gard of esteemed friends. The declaration was calculated to prove the bad effect the measure would produce in Ire land. He thought the Catholic Association were right if they were merely endeavouring to bring about Emancipa tion. That was the opinion of the Attorney-General for Ireland. One or two acts of the Catholic Association had been selected to prove them guilty. He denied that the House could draw conclusions injurious to the Association from one or two acts. In all Institutions some acts might be found open to censure. In the University Club, a person had found among the books the Memoirs of Hartiet Wilson, close by the side of a plain Bible. if the character of the University Club was to be tried by the rule applied to the Catholic Asso ciation it might be said they were in the habit of reading loose books and neglecting the Bible. It was said the. Association interfered with the administration of justice, and that no abuses had taken place in Ireland. He asked the Honourable and Learned Gentleman whether he could say the administration of justice in Ireland was pure in 1811 ? When he was in Ire land he was in company with a Noble Lord who acted as a Magistrate. A robbery had been committed, and the Magi strate committed the man who had been robbed until the next Sessions. This act of injustice was necessary, as the life of the accuser would not have been sate had he remained unpro tected. The Learned Doctor wished to know whether_such a state of things could have been found under a due administra tion of justice. He considered the Association right in follow ing the example of other societies, and opposed the motion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, ex hausted as the House must feel with this protracted discussion, and assured as he must be, that it was not in his power.to add to the discussion, he felt some anxiety to express his senti ments to the House, not merely on the question, but on some words which had been applied to him in his situation as a Member of the Government. Ile saw with some satisfaction, that in what had fallen from Gentlemen who opposed the mea sure that no attempt had been made to defend the existence or acts of the Catholic Association. Gentleman had said the ex istence and acts of this Association arose unavoidably from the situation in which the Catholics were placed, but no one had at tempted to defend them. On the contrary, every one who hid spoken had disclaimed any approbation of the manner in which this body had conducted themselves, and the whole bearing of their argument was, that :mother measure ought to have been applied. The measure alluded to was one _for yielding the Roman Catholic claims. He was in the situation of one of the Government, and thetefbre he should fsel..a heavy re sppnsibility if he had been the means of withholding any mea sure which could be considered a cure for thrice m 1 utcholy evils which had so long disturbed Ireland. Ha was anxious to advert more particularly to that part of the question.— Gentlemen would do Government the justice to recollect the circumstances under which it was formed. During the time of Mr. Percival the Catholic) question was opposed by some of the Members of Government upon principle. On the death of that Minister the remaining part of the Government were placed in a singular situation, for it so happened that the House of Commons were opposed to the Government - on the Catholic and other questions. -They carried up an address to the Prince Regent for a change of Ministers. The result was, that after an attempt had been-made to form two Cabinets, the Members all differed on the question of the Catholic claims. They could not procure a Utopian Government. No Go vernment could be formed to please all parties. What was it Gentlemen wanted them to do. They said when you came into office you consented to propose the Catholic ques tion, and you ought to do it. They were told in answer, that the Cabinet was divided, and that it could not be insisted on without breaking up the Administration. The reply to that was—Oh no, we do not wish- that, but still those who have made up their minds in favour of the Catholic claims, ought to press it forward. That line of argument gave rise to un worthy sarcasm on Government. There was not the slightest foundation for that sarcasm. The Noble Lord who had been so often attacked, the Noble Lord at the head of the Treasury, and his Right Honourable Friend the Secretary of State, had never been brought in contact upon the question. Under what circumstances could they who were favourable to the measure presume to take the helm out of the hands of their colleagues. They could not have insisted on the question in opposition to their colleagues with out being guilty of treachery. By such conduct they could not have got the confidence of the House or the country. With respect to the public sentiment upon that question, his opinion was that there existed at this time a very strong feeling:in the country against that question; A great deal of that feeling had been occasioned by the Catholic Association. There was a strong feeling in the other branch of the Legislature against the question, and particularly with the Clergy.— ( Hear, hear ! )—Gentlemen considered it a reproach to the Clergy. Now, that was very unfair. It was not wonderful the Clergy should look-with jealousy on those to whom they were naturally opposed. - It did not, however, follow that preju dices against the Roman Catholics would last for ever. Great changes had taken place. The Right Hon. Gentleman had himself suffered a change. His opinions were once opposed to the question, but he had change] that opinion. Any attempt to bring forward the question at present could not be attended by success, and an unfortunate result would throw it back half a century. Having been induced to vindicate the Go vernment from the aspersions cast on it, he should not discuss the subject before the house at length. He considered the mea sure necessary, and denied that there was any similarity be tween the Constitution a l A ssoc i at i on an d t h e . Catholic Asso ciation. He had never subscribed to the Constitutional :ISM). Fiation, nor to any oth er soc i ety , t h e o bj ect o f w hi c h was t o institute and carry on prosecutions. The Hon. and learned Member (Sir .I. M a ckint os h) h a d p l ace d great re li ance on th e fact of the acquittals of th e p ersons prosecute d b y t h e C at h o li c Association, but had he forgotten all their previous proceed ings ?---( Hear !)—Had lie forgotten their proclamations against the accused ?—(hear !)—Of the fact of their sending down per sons to conduct the prosecutions ? These facts were greatly at variance with the claims to equal and impartial justice which had been set up for them by the Honourable and Learned Gentleman. As to the Address, of which so much had been said, he was ready to allow, that if the Association had never written or spoken any thing else, he should not be disposed to quarrel with them ; but their spirit and acts were greatly at variance with their honied words. The conduct of that Asso ciation had infused venom into every man's cup in Ireland. The phrase " by the hate you bear to Orangemen" could scarcely be understood in this country ; but in Ireland, it was an appeal to the most fatal passions. And yet some Hon. Gentlemen had argued that " hate" was meant to signify that the Catholics were not partial to their oppressors. The ge neral tone and language of the leaders and the acts of the Association were all very remote from any thing like peace and tranquillity. It was impossible for bins (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) to conceive any reason why the violence and absurdity of Messrs. O'Connell, Shiel, &c. should prevent Parliament from doing what was right and just—(Hear !)—but when he found these persons using violent language and exhi biting great violence of action, and exercising great influence over the Catholic population, then lie could not but conceive that the Association had an inevitable tendency to excite ani mosities and fears in the bosoms of those to whom these ad dresses were made. He was a friend to the Catholic Question, . and should vote for it when brought forward ; and yet he did not believe that Emancipation could work any wonders. It would do no more than remove a grievance, and that was the reason why he should vote for it. Yet it ought not to be forgotten, that whilst Emancipation would remove the dis content of one party, it would assuredly create discontent with another. The Protestants of- Ireland would no longer have the ascendancy, and the Catholics would immediately attempt to overthrow the Established Church. Nothing was more likely to happen than this, and nothing was more likely to excite alarm. The system of Associations, so con genial to Ireland for many years past, would be carried to a perilous extent. It might originate with the Orangemen, but it would be followed by the Catholics. It would therefore be the most absurd of all absurd p o li c y t o l eav e all those Asso ciations in the same c onditi on th ey were now i n . If Emanci pation were granted to.morrow, still the peace and good order of Ireland would require the suppression of the Catholic Associ ation, which could n o t p oss ibl y pro d uce any t hi ng b u t unm ixed evil. He did not believe that the proposed measure could injure the Catholics, nor produce any misfortune to the country. He could not assent to the exclusive claim put in for the Associa tion, on the score of its havin g remove d man y o f the evils which existed in Ireland. Parliament had done a great deal in that respect by the act relating to Magistrates, the Petty Sessions, Tythe Cases, & c . Th ese evils were remedied, not by the Catholic Priest in D u bli n, b ut by the o l d-fas hi one d Parliament of . Ingland. H e b e li eved that the grievance o f Catholic disability would also be finally removed by Parlia ment.—(Hear !) The Catholic Parliament was not likely to do this : 11e saw that Association calling itself the source of tranquillity, and pretending that it confined the sword to the scabbard ; and yet the very p ower to do this convinced him that it could when it pleased cause the sword to fly from the scabbard. (Hear !) The attention of the British Parliament had been specially directed for many years past to the affairs of Ire land, and though it had not done every thing, still it had done much, and did not stand in need of the support of the Catholic Association.—(Cheers.)—Parliament would betray its duty, and would do muck to render Ireland incapable of enjoying the benefits already conferred, or which time might confer on that • country, if it did not make up its mind to Iput down with a • strong and determined arm the. Catholic •Association.—(Hear . • , Mr. HUME, amidst loud cries o f " a dj ourn " and " ques- tion," stated that so much had been elkit.ed by that night's debate, that he could not think the subject to be nearlyitex hausteCl.—(A laugh.)—He therefore moved the adjournment of the debate.—(Cries of " No, no.") Mr. CANNING said, that although he was perfectly satisfied with the state in which the question before the house at present stood, and should be very ready even to go to a division upon it in that present state, yet, as he did not wish to preclude any Honourable Gentleman from the opportunity of delivering his opinion on sa important a subject, lie would not object to the proposed amendment, provided it was understood between him and the Honourable Member (Mr. Hume) that it should be renewed this evening, and take precedence of all other dis cussions. Mr. H u ME assented; and the Debate was further adjourned to this evening. Lord PALMERSTON brought up and laid upon the table the army estimates, and gave notice that on Monday next he would move the same.—Adjourned at A QUARTER PAST ()NE O'CLOCK. PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Luna', 14° (lie Februarii, 1825. GAs LlGHT—Stockport, and London and Westminster Oil— Bills ordered. Birmingham—Petitions from Wednesbury, Darlaston, Walsall, Bilston, and Birmingham, &c. in favour, to lie on the table. Rochester—Petition for Bill referred to a Committee. Ito Ans—Stockport, and Brighouse and Bradford—Bills or dered. Sheffield and Glossop, Gatherley Moor and Winstan, Halworthy, Mahon and Pickering, Lockwood and Melton, Bramcote Oddhouse, Grantham and Trent Bridge, Battle bridge and Holloway, Kensington, Wooler and Adderstone —Petitions for Bills referred to Committees. Penwortham, and Wigan—Bills read a first time. Birmingham and Shen stone—Petition for Bill referred to Select Committee on Stand ing Orders. CAI7SEWAY and Roan—Hayle—Bill read a first time. COMPANlES—Equitable Loan Bank—Order for Bill dis charged, and another ordered. Alliance Marine Assurance, Real del Monte Mining, London Water, and Imperial Con- tinental Gas—Bills ordered. -• RAILWAYS—Cromford and Peak Forest, Llannyfin and Car narvon, and Portland—Petitions for Bills referred to Com- mittees. Dublin and Kingstown—Bill ordered. IMI' Rochdala, York City (Nos. 1 and 21, Tothill Fields (Westminster), and Burslem—Petitions for Bills referred to Committees. A rdwick—Bill read a first time. INCLOSI7IIES—Garford (perks), Stock and Bradley ( Worcester). & Staines (Middlesex) Bills ordered. Poo n--St. A ndrew's ( Holborn) BittimEs—Vauxhall, and Hammersmith—Petitions for Bills referred to Committees. Berne—Bill ordered. Ilmtnou R—Pernbrev Po r.tc E—Macclesfieid HAVEN—Grimsby WATE nw on Ks-Metropolitan GA o L— South wark u n.c H—Poole 1 Petitions for Bills referred to Coin ] mittees. Docxs—St. Katharine's—Petitions from itye, Bristol, Ply moath, Dover, Leith, Dartmouth, Newhaven and Lewes, 6t. Katharine, and Aldgate, in . favour—to lie on the table. Liverpool, and Rotherhithe—Petitions for Bills referred to Committees. TITHES—St. Botolph (Bisbopsgate), and St. Gregory (by St. Paul)—Petitions for Bills referred to 'Committees. London —Petition for the regulation thereof, referred to the Com mittee on St. Botolph without Aldgate Tithes Petition. ROMAN CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION—Petition from Hurts born Priors corn St. Mary Bourne—to lie on the table. CoUSTY COURTS BlLL—Petition from Bishop Stortford, in favour—to lie on the table. CoA r. Dt: T lES—Petitions against, from Plymouth, Totten ham High Cross, Waterford, and Cork—to lie on the table. ASSESSED TAXES—Petition from Winchester, for the repeal thereof—to lie on the table. HOUSE AND WINDOW TAX—Petitions for the repeal thereof, from. Oxford—to lie on the tal.de. NoT, , nrts PUBLlC—Petitions to repeal the Duties on Li cences to act as—from Dundee and lirechin—to lie on the table. IVltt.ronn ROAD (South Wales)—Petition from Cork, in fa- your— to lie on the table. Civil. BILL ACT—Petition from Limerick, for alteration of the Schedule of Fees therein—to lie on the table. Inox Accounts ordered. LAN D AX STIPP Y—The following Resolutions reported and agreed to : " 1. That a sum, not exceeding £38,000,000 be granted to his Majesty, to pay off and discharge Exchequer Bills; and that the same be issued and applied towards paying olfand dicharginr any Exchequer Bills charged on the Aids or Sup plies of the years 1824 and 1825, now remaining unpaid or . , unprovided u tor. .., "2. A sum, not exceeding; '5,400,000, be granted to his Majesty, to discharge the likeamoinWorliupplies granted for the service of the years 1821, 1822., 1823, and 1824." USURY Laws REPEAL BlLL—Second reading deferred till Thursday. NOTICES OF MOTIONS FOR THIS DAY. 1. Mr. Goulburn—Re-appointment of tile Select Committee of last Session on the state of Ireland. 2. Mr. Hume—Return of the number of British subjects who have been banished from British India without trial since 1813. 3. LOrd Viscount Althorp—To refer the County Courts Bill to a Select Committee. 4. Mr. Greene—Bill to amend Act 55 Geo. 3, to enable Cler gymen to exchange their Glebe Lands. ORDERS OF THE DAY FOR THIS DAY. 1. Supply—Report. 2. Unlawful Societies (Ireland), Motion for Bill—Adjourned Debate. NOTICES GIVEN YESTERDAY. Wednesday, Feb. 16. 1. Mr. Hume—Select Committee on the export of Machinery. 4. Mr. Alderman Heygate—Bill to alter and amend the Laws against Usury, and to mitigate the Penalties therein con tained. Deferred from Feb. 15. Monday, Feb. 21. Lord Viscount Palmerston—Army Estimates. (In Com mittee of Supply.) Tuesday, Feb. 22. 1. Sir John Newport—Motion relating to the Levy of Church Rates in Ireland. Deferred from Feb. 15. 2. Sir Henry to amend the Law of Landlord and Tenant in Ireland. Deferred from Feb. 15. 3. Sir Henry Parnell—Bill to regulate the Office of .Justice of Peace in Ireland. Deferred from Feb. 15. PRIVATE BILLS. Second Readings . for this Day. Hinckley, Derby and Uttoxeter, and Cainscross and Min chinhampton Road Bills ; Stroud Paving Bill ; and Glasgow and Birmingham Gas Light Bills. ERCANTI L SIIIPPIING. DEAr., FEB. 14.—Wind N.Nir. light airs and foggy.—Came down from the River and remain the Cosmopolite, Storey, for Trieste ; Express, Willis, for Gibraltar ; Diana, Baurie, for Teneriffe ; and the George, Betts, for Sierra Leone. The Honourable Company's ships Inglis, Scaleby Castle and Kent, with troops for India, still remain. Powr, smou'rit, FEB. 14.—Wind S.E.—Arrived his Ma jesty's ship Camelion, with the Endymion smuggling lugger, laden with spirits ; Coromandle, Boyes, from the Downs for Madras. His Majesty's ship Boadicea and Samarang, went out of harbour this day, the former for the East Indies. Sailed the Skelten, Carroll, for New Orleans; Henry, Westmorland, for Demerara ; Kingstone, Luckie, for Jamaica ; and Sarah, Misne, for the Cape of Good Hope. FALMOUTH, FEB. 13.—Wind S.S.E.—Arrived the Zepher packet, Lieut. Church, from the Leward Islands, sailed from St Thomas the hith January, reports that every one in the Islands were much alarmed in consequence of the non arrival of the Merchant ships—only three having arrived, and had 70 days' passage. LIVERPOOL, FEB. 13.—Wind variable, light winds.— Arrived the Josephine, Manlave, from La Guay ra , sa il e d th e 7th of January, left the Columbian Packet, Jones, discharge ins ; Urania, Reynolds, from Buenos Ayres, sailed the 12th of December; Mandarin, Berry, from Balti more; Hope, 111‘Gaa, from Bonny ; Witham, Dunn, from Od essa; J ames, Salter, Domingo. PLYMOu 1 , FEB. 13.—Wind 6. 7 0 ff th e port t h e R o b ert from -1 Savannah ; Robert Ray, Macaio ; and the Nymph, Veowood , fro m S t. Edwards, from Charleston ; William and Henry, —, from Alexandria ; and the Sarah, —, from Bilboa. Off Portland the Iris, Ferries, from Pernambuca. The Letitia, Tennant, from Riga to Belfast, was driven on shore near Stromness the 27th ult. The Relief, - from Glasgow to B e li na , was d r i ven on shore at the Isle of Islay the 2d instant. The Euphemia, Robson, of Sunderland, has been abandoned by the crew off the Texel. The Lord Bishop of PETEnuonouGn, upon the Presentation of the Right Honourable Earl POMFRET, insti tuted, on the 3d Instant, t . he , Rev. PETER FELIX, Curate of Chelsea, to the Vicarage of baston Neston, Northamptonshire. The Paris Papers of Saturday are filled with the Debate in the Chamber of Deputies on Fri day last, when the report of the Committee on the indemnity to the emigrants was presented by M. PitanEssus. This document begins by a his tory of the confiscations of property in 1790 and 1792. After the law against the emigrants was passed in 1792, two modes of procuring the con fiscation of the estates of the Royalists were re sorted to—either the party was put on the list of emigrants, and thus his property was forfeited as a matter of course, or he was condemned by other laws equally violent, when those against emigration could not reach him. It would be the duty of the State, if possible, to repair every act of rapacity 'practised by the violent and unjust Executive Authorities, which so rapidly suc ceeded each other during the revolution ; but as such an undertaking would be impossible, the Government of the Bourbons had selected the confiscation of. landed property as the most re volting measure of iniquity, and most definite subject of indemnity. Grounding its reasonings on this principle, the Committee proceeded to examine the Ministerial project. In the course of its examination, it discovered several defects in the law, and suggested some essential amendments. The first article proposed to allow thirty millions of Rentes, or so much of that sum as might be required,to answer the demands of the claimants of indemnity as they should be brought forward and verified. This wording of the article the Com mittee preferred to that of the Ministerial pro ject, which proposed a capital sum, instead of its value in rentes. The second article, which fixed the mode of estimating the value of the property for which indemnity was to be granted, had been the subject of much discussion, and led to con siderable differences of opinion in the Committee. Two questions occurred on this subject ; first, ought indemnities to be liquidated and paid to the amount ascertained ; or, secondly, ought the indemnity to be limited to 30 millions of renter, however much the loss of property exceeded that sum ? The Committee, enlightened by the ex planations and declarations of the Minister of Finance, decided on the hitter part of the alternative. This point being fixed, the real difficulties attending the execution of the measure began to appear. As a limited sum is to be apportioned to the satisfaction of unlimit ed claims, it does not seem easy to discover a basis of distribution which will be equally satis factory to all the claimants. On this subject the Reporter mentions that the Committee had de parted from the Ministerial project. The most important amendment which the Committee has introduced into the project refers to the agents to be appointed for verifying the claims of the emit grants and distributing a corresponding indemnity. M. de Villele had proposed to forma Commission of Ministers of State and Masters of Request for this office. The Committee thinks that the designa tion of the Members of the Commission interferes with the exercise of the Royal prerogative ; and therefore propose to cancel this provision entirely, The Ministers will therefore obtain from the Crown that nomination which they are refused from the Chamber. When the Reporter had concluded his labours, thirty Members inscribed their names to speak on, and twenty-three against the law ; and the President then proposed that the discussion should be fixed for Thursday next. AL CAST pERR/Eu. moved that the Chamber should adjourn till Monday next, and strongly objected to a demand of a thousand millions to indemnify the emigrants, before the Bu dget or any docu ments were presented t o afford proof of the abi• to support such an extraor di nar y was the more n e c e s sary to h ave e li x ty pe o n f d itt'urraen. It c e satisfactory information on the point, as, from what he had observed in the debates of the Eng- I fish Parliament, the Chamb er cou ld no t di ves t I itself of the fear that other calls of an extraordi- Inary nature would be made on the national re sources for the support of the n a ti ona l h onour . M. At the de beginning v i i iee, , beforeof the t session)two years ago, commencement of the Spanish campaign ) had said that Fr ance h a d DO alternative but war—that she must e ith er the attack the Spanish Constitution on the south, or defend it on the north. Now, since the Holy Al- Hance were equally pressing for a crusade against ' South American independence, had he not equal reason to say that we must fight on the shores of Colombia, or on the banks of the Rhine ? To this questiorr M. DE VILLELF. replied, that the 'Cham ber would not be called upon to vote away the indemnity in the dark—that the budget would be laid before it on Wednesday, and that the mem bers would thus see the possibility of execut ing this great act of justice, without injuring national credit. As for the alarms of war which had been alluded to, there was no reason . for en tertaining them. Th e K ING h a d d ec l are d from the throne, at the commencement of the session, that lie maintained the most friendly relations with his neighbours, and nothing had since occurred which had not then been foreseen. The Chamber might, therefore ) vote the indemnity without any fear that any extraordinary call would be made upon its finances to support a war which nothing at present rendered of probable occur- , rence. M. BENJAMIN COKSTANT supported the adjournment to Alonday, on nearly the same grounds as its mover ; but the Chamber tilti= mately rejected the amendment ) and the original motion was carried. Dutch Papers of the 12th instant, which ar , rived this morning, are filled with the most dis tressing details of the damage done by the late flood, which has been attended with the loss of many lives. Very large sums have been sub scribed for the relief the sufferers. Hamburg!) Papers of the Bth instant furnish still more lamentable accounts of the effects of the flood on the banks of the Elbe, particularly on the Hanoverian coast, where several dikes were washed away, and a great many people were overwhelmed by the waves in the district of Kehdingen, Hadeln, Warshen, &c. The town of Ritzebuttel was inundated on the 3d, as well as the surrounding country, which presented the appearance of a vast lake. The work of de vastation here eqUals the melancholy disasters of November last on the Upper Rhine, and at day= break on the 4th the prospect was frightful. The bathing-house and its appurtenances were in part, and whole warehouses entirely, washed. away. Ships that were on the stocks were turned keel upwards, others were thrown on the strand, or entirely carried away, and the foundation of the light-house was seriously injured. It does not appear that any of the inhabitants were lost, nor are there any fears of a famine, notw►thstand►ng the momentary distress is very great, and almost all the cattle have been drowned. The accounts from Uetersen mention that all the dikes as far; as Gluckstadt were broken through, and that in the marsh-lands some of the inhabitants had pe rished, but the majority had saved themselves on the roofs of their houses. the district called the Vierlander, situate a few miles above Ilam. burgh o❑ the banks of the Elbe, and one of the most fruitful and opulent in the country, is under water. It is feared that the crops of corn in the ground are quite spoiled, and that the land Can- , not he drained and rendered fit for sowing corn in the springs Charleston Papers to the 16th Sanitary were received this morning, from which we extract the following article NEW ORLEANS, DEC. SO.—At the rriciment we were about putting our Paper to press, we learnt th a t a l e tt er h a d b ee n re ceived from the Havannah, stating that a Colombian squadron. of twelve sail, under the command of Commodore Beluche, had arrived lately before that port, and there established their cruize. The letter adds, that a number of Spanish vessels are equipping for the purpose of giving battle to the Colombian fleet,—( Charleston Courier, Jun. 1 5.) ••• For WEST INDIA Doc: Fours] KS' STOCK ACCOUNT, See cur ;h Page. PRICE OF STOOKS TATS Ettlik Stock _4 oA Y AT ONE O'CLOCK. Old A;:nuities New Ditto Ex. Bills 10001. - 2(1. — Ditto • • 1 Atl: ...65 63 64 Ditto 500/. 3 per Cent. Red. 3 per Cent. Cons. 3A per Cent. • • • 10P; Ditto Red: - • ~..1013.-:. ; 4 per Cent. 5 Di " d • ( New 105;,5- 6 6-, 7 , Bank Long . :lnn. 231 5-Biths Imp. 3 per Cents. -= India Stock 2321 4 Ditto Bonds • • Ditto Ditto Small Ditto 1:;(1. • 64 66 Ditto Commercial Bank for Act. India for.A Cons. far Feb. 25.... b 34 4 South Sea stock PRICES OF FOREIGN FUNDS, AT ONE OCLOCK. Neapolitan, 5 per cext..: Neapolitan Scrip Peruvian Bonds Portuguese Bonds Prussian, 5 per ct. Ditto New Bussiar. New, 5 per ct. 97;1. 1 , Spanish 1321, 5 per ct. 1323, ditto 18, 1 i French ICe4es 1034 - Exchange, ... —f —c. Austrian lids, 5 per et. 974 I.lrazilian Bds • • -- Scrip • - - .=11125 pm. Buenos Ayres Bds • • • 92 lids, 11 per et. ... 90 bi 11d s.tl per ct. 92i Do. do. 1824 - • 91g Danish, 5 per cent. Grcek lids - 5/4 a Do. Scrip, 1825 ... pm. exican llds • 81Ai Do. Scrip 1825... 31 4 34 pm. 6crip PrtICES OF SHARES AT ONE O'CLOCK. Alliance Fire and Life Assurance Company Ditto, Marine Department -• • • /- Protector Fire Assurance Company , lAnglo-Mexican Mining Company Anglo-Chilian Mining Company Arigna Iron and Coal Mining Company Bolanos Mining Company • • , 5OO 525 500 520 pm. Brazilian Mining Company Chilian Mining Company 2l 20 A 20 Colombian Mining Company •- , 42 39 40 39 General Mining Association -31 14 15 14 . .., Hibernian Mining Company - 9 , 2 Pasco Peruvian Mining Company - 35 37 33 34 Real del Monte Mining Company Rio de la Plata Mining Company • - - - 31 32 29 30 Tlalpuxahua Mining Company United Mexican Mining Company : Welch Iron and Coal Mining Company Continental Gas Company London and Northern Railway Company . Australian Company British Iron Company . 7 i I 4 Equitable Loan bank Company Gold Coast Association ,. ii 9_ili Great Westminster Dairy Company • l 2 Pearl Fishery Company, Yellow Receipt • l7 18 Provincial Bank of Ireland THE SUN. SOLEN QUIS DIGEBE FALSU.II AUDEAT LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, FE8.15, 1825. [From the Agent to Lloyd's at Bremen ; dated Feb. 9.] " - The most tremendous flood tide ever known took place here on the night of the 3d instant, along the Oldenburg side of the Weser, from Broke to Bleken, exceeding by two feet that of 1717, and ;lowing and destroying the dykes in every part so as to inundate the whole of that part of the country." The Speech of Mr.DawsoN, last night, in the House of Commons, evidently made a strong im pression on the Members, and will be read with particular attention by those who feel a stron interest in the welfare of Ireland. The Honour able Gentleman clearly described the nature of the Catholic Association, and gave passages from some of the speeches uttered in its Assembly, which manifested the alarming tendency of its measures. Mr. DAWSON also pointed out the in consistency of those who strongly inveighed against the ORANGE SOCIETIES, and yet now give their support to the CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION, though it is obvious that, besides the CONSTITU TIONAL objects of the former, they did not levy taxes for the furtherance of ulterior pur poses, and though their views were to uphold the principles of our Glorious Revolution, and preserve the purity of the NATIONAL CHURCH, whatever may be said to the contrary, it does not appear that the Catholic Association has the• support of the Great Body of Catholics in Ire land and in England, and if it had, the latter must now be convinced that the Association is not qualified to represent them with due tem perance, judgment, and discretion, and to promote those claims which, after all, must be decided by the wisdom and justice of the Legislature. — Mr. SPRING RICE objected to the proposed Bill, because, as it had been alleged that no Orange Lodges now existed in Ireland, and the Bill is intended to put down all Associations in Ireland, it would in that respect be "to legislate respect ing a mere phantom." But the Bill in question is prospective as well as remedial, and therefore properly provides against the possible;existence of Associations that may lead to disturb the tranquillity of the State. There are letters :fr o ' clock Lcikin a a o a t i h ) i e n t Council d of Oc• tober, but they are entirely silent as to political eve nts. 'clo Yesterday at tw was held at the Secretary (State's Office for Foreign Affairs in Downing-street. The Cabinet Ministers continued in close deliberation till about a quarter-past four o'clock.