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~~L ~, ~ 4 ai ~, A /A s !) kJ,/ 4.4,;:pcn . o,lla 1 - .. ~.., , r...,, ,, r — • V ~. -- --------'-I\ , l's . .,; 6 tr it*— _,,9 4 l, , 17-; „ti -fl:* :-..,_ - . ---- / ''''' l• ' \ V- ,, e,) 1- 1,• - - -,:-,--.,=.--- , 4- ti.: • art ; •..\ 4 ,.. , /2 , _ at-44 4,-" - 1 ' { 1 -; , ~ • .4s t 6 - N TTINIIIER 10,217. FRIDAY EVENING, JUNE 10, 1825. ROYAL ACADEMY, SONIERSE r PLACE. EXHIBITION of the RO YAL ACA DEMY IS NOW OPEN. Admission (from Eight o'Clock till Seven), Is. Catalogue, Is. HENRY HOWARD. R.A. Sec. WEST INDIA DOCK COMPANY. ICE COURT of DIRECTORS of the WEST INDIA DOCK compANy d„ h erc by No ticv, that the TRANSFER BOOKS of the said co3irANy w ill be SHUT on SATURDAY, the 11th Instant, and OPEN again on SATURDAY, the 9th of July next. Indi H. LONGLANDS, Sec. D House, June 3. 1825. TheAIONAL MONUMENT OF SCOTLAND. tribute of a grateful country to her gallant and illustri- T H ANNU ous sons." ING of the AL STATUTORY MEET. EUTORs ROYAL ASSOCIA TION of CONTRI - taken incorporated by Act of Parliament, which should unav ,, m e k a, Place on AIONDA.V the 18th of June current, is Ann;""auLY POSTPONED to the 22d of AUGUST, the j a • "` v ersary of the day on which the Foundation Stone was b y King's Hi g h Commissioner, during His Majesty's %i5ll to Scotland. A GENERAL ,MEETING o f CONTRIBUTORS w ill therefore be held at EDINBURGH, on being the 22d day of -August first, in the Waterloo Hotel, at Twelve o'Clock, Noon, when it is hoped that the last Resolutions entered into by the Di rectors at London and Edinburgh, respectively, will be followed up by the immediate and actual commencement of this Grind Undertaking. with which view, the Plans and Drawings have been prepared by Mr. Cockerell, of London, and the Working Plans and Specifications are in preparation by Mr. Playfair of Edinburgh, the two eminent Architects appointed to see the Work executed in conformity to see its great original, namely, the Parthenon of Athens. MICHAEL LINNING, Hon. Sec. London, 9th June, 1825. At a NIEETING of the SOCIETY of MASTER CAR. PENTERS, held at the FREE MASONS"I'AVERN, Great Queen-street, Lincoln's-Inn-Fields, June Bth, 1825, 1100 ENO !NED, That it is the Unanimous Opi nion of thi s SOCIETY, that the demand made upon Yletll by the Journeymen of London for an increase of Wages 1 5 without any reasonable grounds, and that a compliance with that demand would ultimately prove injurious to themselves as well as to the Public. Resolved, That this Opinion be published in all the Daily papers. By Order, J. FLEETWOOD, Sec. - ALBION FIRE AND LIFE INstittANCE COMPANY, NEW BRIDGE-STREET. BLACKFRIARS EMPOWERED 13 I' ACT OF PARLIAMENT. CAPITAL—ONE MILLION. NSURANC ES falling due at I'll DS UM M ER kin expire, unless renewed within Fifteen Days from Mit period. • The Company's Rates and Conditions are of the most rea lu!',,bie description: —no CharKe is made for Fire Policies, "en the Premium exceeds 55.:—00 Admission Fine is ‘ 1 " . ' 4 9 on Life Insurance :—a liberal commission is allowed : c . Sobeitors, and others, who e ff ect Life Insurances;—and %ry facility is afforded by which the interest and coore- Aienc e of the Public may be promoted. WARNER PHIPPS. Secretary. •*PLL' '' il l'lD- RESIDENCES AND IMPORTANT IN. VESTMENTS. A L Great vari e t y o f ES T Al' ES for SALE by Born, P RIVATE CONTRACT, in various parts of the Kins -4'eace.P.li4e9l6ll,„ g Residences of unrivalled beauty and magnifi- Per g-•" Lavestenenta that offer to the Capitalist a far greater 44 4 4 tarthan is comMo n ly to b e m e t with. Letter, post paid, to Mr, Coward, Landsdown 1, 4.:II4PAL,LkI, PIANO FORTES and PEDAL /141 ter — t 1 ",' 11 WATLEN'S, LEICESTER-PLACE, ' 44 to th e -Tal * Families of Fr ance and the Netherlands, 4re 41re4dy ,f r elarence- Some Thousands of his Pianos /et, *le bl a n ds of the Public. lie has now several auu touch and Obliques, that he can warrant for tone net, g oo d eq4lll to aan _erermade. Also, a Secondhand Cabl -Piano 24 n al ott u - worth go G u i neas; a Square Worth :ei,uineas ; N ulli D ea o ; bl -action Harp, so Guinep I• 29 ; Sin le Ditt e o w , 45 G u uin e eas; the property of Ladies . and • ' BI VEWRIGHT feel grateful for f tir; tue lIIVOUTS conferred on them in past Lotteries, and g,ppeetfally to remind the Public, that-the Chancellor b o -!'tetlequer having disposed of all the Tickets grant . l .n y tsMtornaent, rile:opportunity of obtaining a Fortune by mi d i/ i l l i v su n imi of n tnottey will soon cease for ever. an l igen 7 c - c:r w ifill 4 : can recommend the New Scheme with con- Besides 4 Prizes of 20,000 Guineas Beside* the usual number of Cap.itala Besides all the Numbers being Prizes Pgrat4' be resente d i 1 1.2 64 Pipes of Wi ne . 0 O n e is to the f ortunate H o ld ers o f th e F our Thouaand Guiea*, being 18 n - Pipes ch Fire...and in proportion fo Sh a res. The Wi,F .. _ to ea to be selected ' ''' t he Stock °rimy Wine Merchant in the kinpdom, by the lett v., ... unate aaojaers themselves. se -rtIE. 4 . ---ALL MONEY.—NO BLANKS. - .•• . 5 of .... 4 2i ,050 Money £49,100 2 ............ 21,025 Money 49,050 4 ..... , ....... 9,05 0 M oney • .. : ......... 1 , 050 Money 4,900 ! .............. 514 M oney I: .............. 913 Money i........... • 100 Money 4° .•. .. , ............ .. 51 money ........... 92 Money ".4(: 64-.ANI4S. at each of the above. and 5 000 everyOttier-l'iumber, will have 45, be. 10 5 , 000 ing . .............. ' " 10 , u , -,.........-.... , ''-aNuz4bers.„---TwoTirliets of each Number. £ 904,442 Nile 4.11 /0 One Day, 15th JUIN, ` * i n , e very Ticket will be decided, and every Number a Prize._ 4 "t ‘ViC.C' Prizes are in addition to the grand sum of A IVil 4 . 204,442 Money. .1' li °le T ic ke t 1,000 Orf . and . It; Pipes of..ll:ine .1k Q -alt • - ' - - 588' 0 i neas n . and - 8 Pipes of Wine 4. 4 lstt er . n - a u i ea : . and - 4 Pipes of Wine 4 sl",.:,ltki r •'• e i uuui n nea ea , . and . 2 Pipes of Wine it •l', ; kttlth : t , a u -- - meas . and - 1 St of Win wte e , .Mgd Shares~ are now on Sale at J. and J. e Ight's ''‘ l leta't,' '''''). . 11 ;7, COn - dull; 11, Holborn : and 30, " r. Y L v ";,,i e n t .i 4 , 40 1 d t cY sold ' late Contract, 12 478, a Prize of 4 ' 4 7 "" v _ sz . in a, , i.,),i;..eral other Capitals ' Recap -F-1--'--ALE, FA ItAIINGTON, NEA R . NORTH . LEACH. GLOUCESTERSHIRE. At t„.. 1 un TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION. -aWAY*B COFFEE HOtTsE, Cha ng e Alley, •r l a pttiili, en wednesday, the Cth July, at 12 o , ~ „,. I,A T Valuable and truly desirable l' ft 1 - , t'' itisdtr'4l:-,41 g§T4TF, Land Tax called FA R redeemed, _ oa . PaSßn,' - ti",,,,` , 'lrvin the ' direct London and m an n - .a .l t'l ) 4ip" - " L I gh th . e Eitste, within a Mile Ofthe ion, all e : and 4." stn the frirrner i and 13 Miles front the latter pl ac e, 1,..... mil from Oxfbrd' lit e.l',43ttite consists of a handsome well built Stone 11...n . si ti on, pioi.i.ri:,te reception Of a rattily Of the first distinction, wltitLePz Six te,..Coacb-liutei, Stabling, and all other requisite 0 ts a - t Wm- "94 r arms, chiefly in the occupation of Tynan . vititii rt an ie ? te co .ad ri , s w is , tin g terio r of about IQOO acres of excellent arable, so. and wood lands. A Stone Quarry o f a ir l d, o ' l f cription for building. A Manor abounding w ith all lAO4 of , Plitt; and in the immediate neighbourhood of . two i oi'ersi,2%,°hOUtids, lartnitigton Grove, one of the prin cip al v4h, 10) , vie Duke of Ilenufort's hunt, forming a part of thi s t.. . ahe b_le,,Proert4,,, and at the same time affording a deligh I I 4,7 0 4 tifo Object from the mansion; '' 11 47 b e 4 g th e many advan.tages with which this Estate abounds, wh ich it onsiered..the'highly respectable neighbourhood in t ° a Nna.. 3 44aat ed . • The easy distance from Cheltenham, and ac 44 , i ii,t-4noati, the :particularly desirable and truly valuable fur the .;.,: 11°I. a ManO- Offering also an excellent oyportunity ber th " v e.stnt of Capital, being equal to Tithe. free, there lieu n "UM ninn • E -ed by Act of Parliament, in .4 , f . ri , t, _ -..ei P ayment 3 „, Al% " e'• efthe 0 1 ° 1 th..e -P.--..,tate may be seen, and printed particulars had riti, t tti i -.1.01 Messrs. Dyneley and Gatty, Field -cowl, Grafm ``L3at - °' Mr. Ettles 22, eitil.ruaU, I t onden, 11 day* pre 'QlN ale. •' ' PARLIAME,NT, HOUSE OF LORDS, THURSDAY, JUNE g. The LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND, and several Mem bers of the House of Commons, came to their Lordships' Bar, and informed their Lordships that a Bill, entitled " an Act to amend an Act for the better provision of Aliment to Scotch Prisoners, had been brought up to their Lordships by mistake, and requested that such Bill might be returned to the House of Commons. The LORD CHANCELLOR replied, that the same Bill would be returned to the House of Commons. Mr. 81100 DEN, Sir GEORGE HILL, and other Members of the House of Commons, brought up the Irish Bankruptcy Bill, with the amendments as agreed to ' • the Irish Courts of Exche quer Bill, and several P rivate Bill s . ARTICLED CLERKS' BILL. The Articled Clerks Bill went through a Committee, and the Report was received. The House went into a Committee on the Colombian Postage Rates Bill, and the Report was received. On the motion of the Bishop of CHESTER, the House re solved itself into a Committee on the Dawley Church Bill, and the_Report was received. The Stealing in Mines, also went through the Committe e . QUARANTINE LAWS. On the motion of the Earl of DARNLEY, the second read ing of the Quarantine _Laws amendment Bill was fixed for Thursday next.—The House then Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Sir C. COLE presented a petition from several Manufacturers of British Iron, complaining of the reduction of the duty on foreign iron.—Ordered to be printed. The Excise iU easures' Regulation Bill was committed.—Re port to be received to-morrow. The Mauritius Trade Regulation Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. DA WSON brought up the Report of the Committee on the Sale of Offices in the COurt of King's Bench. The Report was read, and leave given 10 bring in a Bill found ed on it. The Court of Common Pleas Bill was committed, and order ed to be reported to-morrow. The Judges' Salaries Bill was committed, and ordered to be reported to-morrow. 'The Court of King's Bench Bill was committed, and ordered to be reported to-morrow. The Exchequer Bills Bill was committed, and ordered to be reported to-morrow. The Newspapers Isostage Bill (to and from the Colonies) was read a second time, and committed fbr to-morrow. THE NAVY. Mr. HUME rose to move for leave to bring in a bill, for re moving the defects of the naval system, as far as it regarded Impressment. or that unconstitutional mode of compelling sub jects to enter into the service of the Navy. He would now go no further than bringing in the bill, and leave it for consider ation in the hands of Members, till next Session. He had been informed by most experienced Officers of the Navy, that the present abusive system may be altered, with great ad vantage to the service and the public. The object of his i bill would be to remedy the inconveniences suffered by the numerous persons who filled that part of the public service. They were subject to the authority of one person, and to the punishment of flogging without trial or deliberation. One of his intentions was to abolish that custom : sailors had as good aright to a trial, as soldiers or others of the State's servants. The offences ought to be specified, and the degree of punishment affixed to each ; those offences which were indefinable ought n o t t o b e punished without the inquiry of a Court Martial. The absence of such a rule was what he com plained of. Every other class Of the community was entitled to trial before punishment. Soldiers could not be punished without investigation, why may not sailors enjoy the same advantage? There were ships whose crews amounted to 5 or 600 men, in which discipline was carried on without punishment of a man for months, while there were others of the same size in which the Captains inflicted most frequent punishment. It was never the intention of Parliament to confer the power of arbitrary punishment on the officers of the army ; by a parity of reason ing, he demanded the same privilege for the sailors of the British Navy. The slaves of the West Indies were exempted from the punishment, by flogging, for 24 hours after the com mission of the offence ; yet a free subject of Britain, entering into the Naval Service of his country, was deprived of that pri. vilege. All he asked for the sailors was, that they may not be punished immediately after the commission of their offences— that they may, in that respect, be placed on a footing with the slaves of the West Indies. The lion. Member here read two letters, the first of which detailed instances of the hateful and degrading practice of starting men on board a ship, commanded by the gallant Admiral opposite (Sir George Cockburn), then Capt. Cockburn. It was true, that 'was above twenty years since. (Laughing.) And, to prove that this was the practice often, in later times, he read an extract from the second letter, stating an occurrence of a similar nature of summary punish ment on board another ship ; indeed, the custom of starting sailors and marines, or, in other words, flogging them on the naked back with a cane, had been so frequent on board ships, that the Admiralty had lately ascertained, that out of an entire crew of 68 men, 59 had been thus punished during three years' service; and of the seamen, thirty-eight in number, thirty-six had been punished ; and this without any trial, but at the arbi. trary pleasure of the commanding officer, who had merely been admonished in this case. It would be wasting the time of the House to adduce other similar instances of barbarity; it was enough that it was proved to have ever taken place to warrant his application to the House for permission to bring in this Bill. lie strongly recommended the introduction of a clause like that in Mr. Wynciliam's•Bill, relative to soldiers, limiting the period of each seaman's service, at the time of entering, to 5,7, or even 10 years. This would produce volunteering to an extent, in his mind, sufficient to man the Navy at all times. A similar arrangement with respect to the marines would be most desir. able. In both cases they should be entitled, on coming into an English port. to demand their discharge. As to the exist. ing unreasonable regulations with respect to the pay of our sailors, he felt it highly expedient that a change should imme diately take place, for it was absurd to think men would volun tier to se rve o n boa r d hi s Majesty's ships, and receive 345. a month, when they could get 31. 10s. on board a merchantman. In addition to the inducements enumerated to volunteers, he should propose that each man who had served ten years should be entitled to a pension, and those who had -served a less pe riod, a proportionately less pension. With reference to prize. • money, he would reverse the Admiralty table, or regulations, altogether, and give six.eigbths to the petty officers and seamen, and two eighths to the Captain and Officers holding commis sions. This ought to be sufficient for the latter, most of whom, being men of birth, or young Noblemen, entered to obtain not so much the emoluments us the honours of the service. Above all things, he shoold recommend that an accurate list of all the seamen in the United, kingdom should be registered, so as that on all oceasicms Of - great emergency the Government might call out in turn such persons as appeared.by the registry to be liable to serve, in the same manner as had been the practice nearly 150 years ago. The- Hon. Member then Moved, " that leave be given to bring in a Bill to amend the 22d :of George the 2d, ' cap. 33, for the better provision of seamen, and the More effec tual regulation of his Majesty's Nevi " Sir COCKBURN- sa id, he had some reason to ' complain of the course taken upon this occasion - by the Hon. Member for Aberdeen. - Contrary to the usual courtesy of Par liament he had come down- to the . House prepared to make charges against him,- without havin g given him d►e s li g ht e st in timation of his intention. Under these circumstances i he er r_ tainly felt himself to be i n a very aukward condition, the dis tance of time; 1805, being so 'great, that h e cou ld not exerc i se that conanand over his Memory which should enable him to make so full an answer for his conduct to cite fltntse as he; under the charges of the Hon. Member, wished to do.--(llear, hear !) —H e perfectly well knew that the discipline of the N av y' twenty years etto) was a very different thin g to w h at it was now. But about the time to which the Hon. Member referred, those changes which had since been; by a progressive course, effaced, were newly introduced. And lie very well remembered having i given orders to th e officers of his ship not to st art t h e men.— ear, h ear !)-1t want . very well kn own ' that amongst thesubordinate afli-cera of the ship, the practice used to be carried to a much greater extent than was now tolerated ' • and in the very instance alluded to by the Hon. Member., he had actually 4with one of his Lieutenants for at art i we gnaw:leo a man after he bad given orders to the contrary, and that officer h a d since left the aervice.-e-(Hear vit3l all he was able to s o y with which the Member h answer to these charges Hon. taken • If he would bring them forward ' Aim by 'surprise.a more specific shape, he would be prepared with a more complete refu.. tation. In the arguments which the llon. Member advanced in support of his motion, he seemed to say that a preference was given to the merchant service over the Navy. Now in that he was misinformed ; for what seamen would do for the merchant ser vice at 545. they would do for the Navyat 34.,Ithad been already stated, and he now repeated it, that the Owners of merchant vessels had made application to have the officers of the Navy restrained from taking their men when they offered themselves. . Orders to this effect had in fact been sent out to the different naval stations, and were it not so it was well known that mer chant ships would lose all their hands. This was quite noto rious, and a tolerable proof that there was not that distaste for the service of the Navy which the Hon. Member seemed to in. culcate. The Hon. Member thought that some pecuniary in ducement ought to be held out to enlistment. Tile pension system, in his opinion, operated in that way. He had also drawn a comparison betwixt the enlistments in the sea and land services in favour of the limited period of the latter. It so hap pened that the enlistments in the Army were mostly for life, whereas in the Navy it was not so, the men being generally paid off at the end of a war. He had also spoken of the arbi trary power of punishment in the Navy, and said he wish e d to see the sailo r p u t u p on th e same footing I ts the ,soldier.— But the fact here w as th e reverse of !plat ife.;had stated._ The system of punishment in the Arritykwherrin'the field, or in the execution of field movements, was much more arbitrary and severe than the Navy. Upon these occasions, punish ment was inflicted without delay or trial of any sort; and he believed there were many Members in the House who could bear him out from actual knowledge, when he stated that even during the last war instances had occurred of men being hanged in this manner. Yet their ships were differently situated in this respect from the army. They went out upon a voyage round the world, and were sometimes assent for three years.— How then was it possible for them to summon a Court Mar tial ? And if summary punishment were not inflicted, either it must be forgone altogether, or the men must be put in chains and kept in that condition, perhaps for the remainder of the voyage. The Hon. Member actually wished to take from the navy a power which was held to be legal in the Captain of a merchantman. By the newspapers of that day he perceived a judgment in the Admiralty Court, in which it was affirmed I that the Captain of a merchantman did possess the power of ordering his man to be flogged. He had received many letters upon this subject, from which, however, lie did not mean to quote; but he could state a case to the House in which an officer assured him that he had preserved his ship by a prompt and exemplary punishment in presence of the crew, when they were actually abo u t to engage a very superior force of the enemy. It had for some time been the policy of the Ached miralty to discourage corporal punishment ; but it would be destructive of all discipline to deprive Officers of the Navy of such a power. All that could be done in this respect he was convinced was done. Those Officers were encouraged who found th e m eans o f k eep i ng t h e i r men in order without punishment; and those who were thought to exceed in this particular were put out of commission. They now. teceived very frequently blank returns of the quarterly punishment of ships. This being the improving state of affhirs, the Admiralty having set itself the task of dispensing with corporal punish ment as far as was practicable, the House lie was sure would not interfere to check their successful course, and probably de stroy all they had done. It would have a dangerous effect, he was convinced, to take away altogether the power of punish ment from the Officers of the Navy. It was one thing to take it away, another thing to modify it. With respect to the, second case to which the Hon. Member had referred, the case of Capt. Jervoise, the punishnients in that cause appearing to be more frequent than coincided with the wishes of the Admiralty, the Officer was superseded. It was, however, his duty to state, in justice to that Officer, that his men had been frequently changed during the period that these frequent punishments had taken place, and that therefore the case appeared much stronger against him than upon its real merits it deserved. It was also his duty towards that Officer to state, that facts had since reached the Admiralty, showing that his crew, when he joined the ship, were in an excessive bad state ; it had in fact been made evident to the Admiralty, that they were a most ex traordinaree bad ship's company-. He did not mean to gay that the Admiralty were not justified in what they did, according to the circumstances of the case as they appeared to them at the time. At that time the last quarter's return had not readi ed them, butwhen it did come, it appeared that the punishments had almost entirely abated ; and it appeared that when the Captain left the ship, he had brought it into as high a state of efficiency and good order as any ship in his Majesty's navy. s He ought also to state that the Admiral . c om man di ng on the had been frequently applied to for a C ourt Martial but the rules of the service would not admit of his granting one. Such was now the istate of the navy in this respect, that he believed he overstated when he said, that six in a quarter for each ship was the average of punishments. He thought the effect of the Honourable Member's Bill would be, to shake the foundations of the . Navy, and that done, what would become of the country ? The Hon. Member seemed to have given up the idea of a total abolition of impressment. This was the proper view of the question. If the House would al low the Government to keep up a war complement of seamen then the pow er o f i mpressment would not be But unless that w ere t h e case, it was obvious that n'Oleuocrise•nesrsagnripiyie. peace, upon a sudden emergency, when they wished to send all their ships out t 6 sea, must have the means of laying their hands upon all seamen in the merchant service. The Navy was now so much improving, that he had no hesi tation in saying that it was now, and would become still more so, the favourite service. He thought it would be highly imprudent to attempt to reorganize the Navy at the present moment. The Honourable Member completely mis interpreted the 36th article of war. Drunkenness was the most common offence for which punishment was administered, and that offence was made the subject of a se p arate article. He did not believe complaints would be made again, and he hoped the House would not interfere with the existing system. He concluded by giving the question a direct negative...( Hear l) Sir W. DE CRESPIGNY admitted that the existing sys tem was defective, but considered the proposed alteration most dangerous. Strict discipline was necessary on board of ships— if it were not kept up it would end in the ruin of the country— for these reasons he should vote against his Hon. Friend's motion.—(Hear !) Sir I. COFFIN rose amid cries of question. He was not used to trespass on the House —he had never, he believed, spoken for ten minutes in his life.—(Cries of hear, and laugh ter.)--Ilis Hon. Friend had thrown an indirect censure upon him, by saying that the Naval Officers in the House would be afraid to deliver their sentiments against the Admiralty. Now he for one was not afraid of the Admiralty —ear !)--bu he certainly thought that the ma nagement of the (H Navy could t not he in better hands ; if the Admiralty acted wrong, the House could . correct them.—tilear !)—His Hon. Friend wanted to de prive the Captains of th e i r prize money; ,if t h at s h ould be the case, half the Captains in the Navy would-be obliged to go into good old adage- e Ne rotor parish workhouses.—(Laughter.-eThe.motieire*as most pre eisteroue one. Ilia Hon.' Friend did not belong to the pro fession, and ought to remember the ultra crepidani.:---; Laughter. ihnuld'decidedly oppose the motion. - Mr. ROBERTSON sta t e d th at h e h ad served in the East India Company's Navy, a n d h a d some pereon a l experience of eee question. Ni ne cases of punishment out of -ten arose from the misconduct of th e officers, rather than from that o f t h e men. The system lied been imp rove d by i nqu i ry ; why , not in qu i re fetcher? He cormnancled a ship himself withou t the frequent use of corporal puniehment. He should support the motion of his lion. Friend. Sir JOSEPH' YORKE said. that his Hon. Fri en d w h o h ad !mit spoken was greater than all the greit inert that had ever flourished in the navy he was the very Solon of th e sea, and ought at once to change his clothes and put on a full admiral's uniform—( Laughter)--for never did man deserv e it better. To navigate a ship like a men of War, -with only there loud tavi_ ga t or s among the crew. W. the greatest aChievement he h a d ever heard of, and to his [lon. Friend ought hencefor t h to be given the trust of Wielding in the highest rank th e thunders ofehe B r i t i e h navy. —(A laugh. )--,Tm he as to the mode ef conducting courts. martial, or even the snleinnity Of inflicting penishinent,he could declare that the busineet was; silt-ass' 'done with as' much • syetem, serutiny, and form, as characterized c i v il proceedings at home. How,said that men • • th en , could it be , of our and honour were prone to severity and . oppress ion Were naval 'officers in general men of an unfeeling nat ure ? went= est sensible than other men of the inhneneen:ireesinilThtimey s. nice- ? and-how but upon the notion of their could such a question as this be supported (n . eit, n eer !) _ .A. -4 not t i eni , but ..some v.tnirds wer e cod_y of the crews, he di 11. hewever, 1- 4. • others in the remainder, le wou ld. mo,rat,ol ), his profes sional experience declare, that su Iron, , !duets s th oet upon them, tney iniget as talk personal character operating to pigs.-4A laugh r them ' n—Sorue we! r Izisensie :AS brutes, and bore their flogging s accordingly ; i n d ee d , t h ey were classed as formerly the great drinkers were—(he was glad th practice was on the decline in the navy)—there were the five_ dozen men, as there had been the five-bottle men. --(A His firm persuasion, however, was, that the existing discipline, or at least the reserved power of inflicting it, could not be abro. gated.— (Hear, hear !) Sir F. BURDETT, without meaning to detract from the humour of the Gallant Admiral's speech, thought he had given way to the playfulness of his fancy upon a very serious subject. His Hon. Friend the Member for Aberdeen had recommended them to take into their consideration the propriety of putting an end to the system of impressment, and of giving some better reward to our seamen—a course which he had not only sup ported by sound reasoning himself, but which had been recom mended by able writers and unanswerable arguments elsewhere, and which was at the same time so obviously necessary and politic that he really thought it almost unnecessary to oiler an observation in support of it. An objection to the giving a pro per reward for the services of our seamen—a proper remunera tion for the sacrifice of their time and health—an adequate coin. pensation for the danger they incurred—and no one could con tend they did not incur danger—he did not expect to hear made at any time; but now, at this time of superabundant prospe rity. he a Learned Gentleman had observed the other night, when They were so overflo w i ng w i t h wea l t h t h at they mull rote. away large sums unasked, not even...required in one case, and without the slightest shadow of a pretext, or supported by the most monstrous arguments in the other; and when, too, they were voting large sums to increase the salaries of Judges and other officers of the Crown, to such an extent, and on such grounds that he did not know how the other persons holding offices under Government could be content with their allow. ances, or fail to demand an increase likewise—when he saw money thus lavished without reason or pretence of public ne cessity, he thought it ill became them, when they had, as they seemed to have, the means in their power, to refuse to take some means of bettering the condition and rewarding the exertions of those who. had so gallantly upheld the honour and credit of the country.--( Hear !)—His Hon. Friend had recommended the present time of peace as one peculiarly fitted for taking into their consideration whether means may not be adopted more efficacious to the service, and more just to individuals, with regard to the manning of the navy ; and he had connect ed with it the system of punishment, because, if men were taken away by force from their homes, and kept in a state of bondage and subjection, flogging was a corollary attending upon the system ; and if there was injustice first, there must be flogging afterwards. All his Hon. Friend desired was the permission to introduce to the consideration of the House a plan which he had formed for the purposes be expressed, and which he be. lieved, after mature deliberation, would put an end to many of the evils; he did not ask them to take any measure imme diately—he did not wish to bind them to any consent—although all the world knew the miseries inflicted by flogging, al though all the world knew the bad effects attendant upon the present system—he simply asked for leave to bring be fore them the ground-work of a Bill which they might re ject or not next Session, as they found it advisable. lie thought at least the suggestions of his Honourable Friend deserved their attention, for he knew no man who brought a greater quantity of sound practical common sense to every subject, or who better deserved the good opinion of the House and the gratitude of the country. His Hon. Friend said most truly that there was an undue discretion vested in the Officers, and that beardless boys should not be allowed to exercise their caprice over veteran seamen, and, subject them to a punishment, which, t o a ll b ut t h e ta ki ngs o f the sails, as one Hon. Member had said—at least to every honest British seaman—must be a punishment worse than death. His Hon. Friend did not say the power of flogging should be taken away at once ; he only wished that there should be time for re flection, that there should be some controul over the passions, and that by allowing 24 hours to pass by, they might consult their pillows, and allow temperance to take the place of infu. riated violence. Why, he would ask, should there not be a Court-Martial ? It was no answer to talk of the Provost Mar tial's execution upon the spot ; his punishments were inflicted under the eyes of the beholder ; the acts done required no proof; they -were committed too hi times of danger apd peril; and he must contend that no argument of that kind was to be drawn into the defence of a general system from particular acts. His Honourable Friend, however, only wished a trial, taking to himself all the danger and disgrace of a failure. If they only offered adequate rewards to those who were willing to de vote their services to the country, and if they at all times made a proper distrihtttion of prize-money, and made the advantages equal to the services, he was sure they might put an end to that home slave trade without the slightest difficulty ; and he might say he was equally sure that it would be found, after all, by much the cheapest method of conducting our naval affairs_ (Hear, hear !),—and at the same time preserve our reputation in the eyes of Europe, by getting rid of a set of laws at once disgraceful and inhuman.—.(Hear, hear!)—He admitted that the discussions on the subject in Parliament had done good, and that the returns to the Admiralty-have checked the propen. shies to cruelty - but as all men in office were great philoso. pliers, lie thought it did them no harm to have a flapper occa sionally • and he was of o pi n i on t h at as t h e Admiralty deserved some crediti for. their amendments, so also did the flappers who admonished them of their duty. The Honourable Baronet, after some observations upon the flippancy of the langu age used by the Gallant Admiral (Si r J. Yorke), and his com ments upon the 36th article, concluded by saying, that if they could not obtain the laws of a Solon, they should at alt events not have those of a Draco, but such as were fit for Englishmen to submit to, and for that House to sanction. —( Hear, hear !) Sir G. CLERK, having heard all the speech of the Hon. Member for Aberdeen, which he believed the lion. Baronet did not, thought lie had not made out a prima,fizcie case for the support of the House. Both the lion. Baronet and the Hon. Member for Montrose were in error as to the effect of the An_ ticle they wished amended ; for if the whole of the Act of Geo. 11. was repealed, the power of punishment would still remain the same at Common Law as it is now. The Hon. Members Wished, as he understood, a something like a military Court Martial, to prevent punishment for offences from personal mo tives ; but if they looked to the offences generally commited at sea, they would find that they were not committed so much against the Captain as again s t some inferior Officer, and punished by the Captain, upon a, very serious responsibility ; not immediately, as w a s s u pp ose d, b u t very frequently after the lapse of a longer time than the 24 hours desired by the amendment, which punishment, he begged to add, was re gistered and transmitted to the Admiralty. Whenever a very serious crime was committed they always surrizeion,ed Court-Martial .; but in the preSent times, unless a vessel was sailing in contort, it would be a very difficult matter to find a number of officers .for a Cesiet,kfartial. on. rvery trifling occasion. Ile never heard any orie, even the lion. Baronet, declare that flogging could be dive-toted with alto. 'eteitnis,eiiit withoutw e particularlybeing brbugh t to trite] when a ll p nn i ehs gether ; and if from necessity that po we r wa s veste d i n the Cap tain, under proper controul, he thought the House would pe r . ceive that it would not be possible, either fo r the - good of th e service or the health of the men, that they s h ou ld b e kept o'e of th and d et p l ufnerisialrediy for le petty ngtll 'meats were minutely exionined at the Admiralty once a quarter —(Bear !) --As to the case of wages whiCh the Hon, Gent s e a dwelt so much upon, laeuntst sly the government found no diis culty in procuring men at 345. ; anti he felt ettnildelit ho much better was the service than that of the mercantile, that if the Se 0 . vernnient raised their wagetathe merchants must raise theirs in proportion, srleavetheirshipa unmanned. The HoneMemberhad selected the returns from the Bulwark and :slime other vessels, but he might as well say that because there happened to be tw ea 'itai Conviction at aboroughtownorta particitharAnizea there aho ' lild be fin criminal law, as so argue horn the. ease-one two vessels as to the reidatione fitting for the whole service. The lion. Member, in his arguments k upon p e n s i ati a , had for :fel that. since the year 181.5 . every aeaman, a f ter serving or years, is entitled tea pension Of 214, wh e th er h e is woin not ; and if worn out or disabled is less tiine, he is entitled- or to 18d. a day ; or if h e happen! to be a peety officer, it m tirnount to 451. If, too, the ;lon. Gentleman's system waiYieven gard to prize-money was put in force, and Officers heft t o , re t. the reward of the gloryhonour of their labonrs, instead of 7s. Bd. did the Hon. Gentleman rec"ing that the Captain was bound to make goo all errors in erecollect and that, without receiving such shares, he might freaphnel ruin both hit wife antifamily by his zeal for th e servic titiently Hon. Gentleman concluded by declaring it to be ins, e* that the Member for Montrose had not made Out caseto 'im °P'''J°" prove the system, and that he muss thereforese the motion. • Sir F. OMMANEY said the Member for Montrose thrown the whole country into confhsion by repealing t h e lead bination Laws, and would now risk it t s safety hy. The :l if Coble g with the navy. He thought the seamen's wages were arse enough, PRICE SF,VANPENcr,. and every body knew that they had more prize -money titan they knew what to do with.: Mr. HUME, in reply, alluded to the motion of Col. Luttrell in 1777, on the same subject, and declared that it had been with drawn on a solemn promise by the Government, that something should be done on the evil of impressment. 'Year after` year had, however, passed away without any alteration. The lien. Gentleman then recapitulated his arguments, and urging .upoa the House the necessity of considering the case next Session, declared his intention of taking its sense upon the question.• Mr. SYKES rose amid cnes of question.—He condemned the system of impressment, and related the Story of a father in Newcastle who consoled himself when his child lad its fingers chopped off, by the reflection that it could not 'be pressed into the service.---Th e House then divided. Ayes - - - - 23 Noes Majority against the motion 22 CHARTER SCHOOLS (IRELAND). Sir J. NEWPORT said, that the question he was about to submit to the House was one of great importance, concerning the cruelties practised in the Irish Charter Schools. The House had voted to these schools more than 600,000/. since the Union. It appeared from the Report of the Conemiesioners lying on.the table, that the greatest abuses existed in those institutions, and the eulogies so often paid to those schools were refeted and ex posed to scorn ; they were grossly defective in their manage ment and required to be corrected. They. were .originally founded in consequence of applications from the Archbishops, Bishops, and many of the Laity to George If., to permit them to establish such schools by subscriptions. Such a charter was -granted in 1734, and within the first two years eight schools were established. Large sums were subscribed and given to the Company, and the amount of the rental was now seven thousand founds a year. In 18011, a report was made respecting• the schools, stating that the condition of the schools was far from satisfactory, anti that the system was radically vicious. The education conferred on them was infe rior to that obtained in the commonest schools of the country. The visiting committee of this year consisted of many eminent dignitaries of tire church, anti several distinguished laymen. They reported that .the greatest enormities were practised in some of the schools. The lion: Baronet read some extracts from the report, stating in detail the cruelties exercised at Sligo upon the unhappy boys. They were beat in the most inhuman way, and were kept away from church on Sunday, in order that they might do the master's work on Monday. In the schools of Stradbally, the system of cruelty was the same. It Was 3 complete reign of terror; one boy had been flogged nine times in one day, on account of missing a sum in long division. A n. other boy received 67 lashes, and others in the same propor tion. The boys were in a state of the grossest ignorancesse Eighteen boys in the two head classes had never heard of St. Paul. Only four could tell whether Europe was a man or e place, and only two could name the four euarters of the world. At Longford, the boys complained of want of feod.— In the schools established by Bishop Pocock the master did not teach, and there was no usher. In a common school in the same town, (Newport) there were ninety.eight scholars well ` educated. Of these 31 were Protestants, who preferred going to a Catholic school rather than go to the charter schools. —in Clonmell there were only two children at school-- There were no books, and the master had 501. a-year from the Society, with 25 acres of land." at 265. per acre, now worth 61. an :acre. Not only were these cruelties permitted, but eves, memorials addressed to the Board in Dublin, were not thought . fit to, be presented by the Secretary, and only, tarsaoth, because Several such memorials had - been presented before. and were thought by the Secretary, in his wisdom, to he only the production of forward boys. Good God, how long was the public money to be expended for such purposes ? Bow did it happen that the Secretary at Dublin, and' the Registars. were friendly to the school -masters ? lie would inform the House—it arose from the fact, that large presents were made by the latter to the former. In the girls' schools, Many of them were turned into the streets, owing to the improper persons appointed to regulate them. Again, the necessary reports from the catechists were withheld ; and out of Nos hundred teed seeentl menthly reports, n o t te n were rece i ved : no, not even one Sib& report ! Yet were these the Societies patronized and ettpa*ted by the Government of this country. No attempt at improvement was made, either by the Dublin Committee or the different Parochial Clergy of theie thirty schools (for he only spoke of these Clergymen), but the salaries went on with equal pace, with etuelty, bartearisne. and every enormity. He wished the monst ers w h o coinn ii t ri d S uch cruel ties to be handed over to the law, and make them feel that the , poor helpless boys committed to their care were not to tea I oppressed with continu e d impunity.. The iridigneti on o f t h e House should overtake such, tyrants and monsters; and .with this view it was, that he would submi t th e propr i ety of an Address to his Majesty, expressing regret and indignation at the cruelty practised upon the children in Chartered Schools iii Ireland, and praying that the actors and abettors in such atro., cities should be prosecuted by the Laiv Officers in Ireland.__ The report on which he made this motion was given to both Houses, under ciretunstances which called for every . ettention, and if the labours of such a commission were not followed up . , it would be in vain that similar commissions should be ;sealed. He would, therefore, now merely put the motion into the bands of the Chair, with every hope of its success. Mr. GOULI3URN entirely. concurred with the sentiments of detestation of the acts charged against the masters of the char ter schools, whether they were expressed in then*44on or li t the speech of th e H on . B a r onet . He was, therefore, relieved' from the necessity of travelling through the painful details which the Report contained. But he was not tree fliireedifficul ties arising as to the mode in which the' question ought to be presented to the Hoese.• If the divisiox turned upoe the a/t e e" native, whether he was to agree to the propositiori• of the Ilan: Baronet, or to concur with mischiefs which had been stated: he would certainly choose th e l esser ev il, an d take the link( al.. -. ternative. But he submitted to the Rah, - Babie s Whether the ends of justice would not be safiefled by "ming the matter to those to whom the law g a ve t he p ower , to ta ke what pro, ceedings they might think fit; and if their conduct„ should no't appear satisfactory, then Parliament might be called'uPpo t o interfere. An opportunity had not yet been offered: to the Go. vernment to give effect to any views Which the pel*,4 of the documents before them might have moggetted ;. nor of .401dite communication .with parties flptu whom they must lo_ok'fOr . the requieite information. In the g e ne r a l case , i t was oz.v,Ki .. dered to be the most expedient, when such rp tes liOn s oceets red, to leave to the Executive the adoption of any Crimillal . proceedings which, under the eircuouteeneee, it riii4lit'be"pp per to pursue ; and still more so, ought that course tolie Coli4y , :- ed in the present instance, because the Onaienis e lottergehea re. Ferrell to a bulky appendix centaining a. great Mass' ouraits, without which th e - Report itself Could not - tee Appreciated.' lie admitted that the Honourable Baronet', bad : Made Ott e Case sufficient to justify Parliament in agreeing , to: te reaelittiati ; and if that was the general feeling, notwitheteptlieg Ks :as surance that the Government would brisg. the actor* in; the transactions to punishment as far as they. were 'amenable to Oa /aw, he would not rake his voice against h.—Allem', Yfeer 1"-^: It was not far him to offer any opinion :004 Ow fltture syst4Ert . which ought . to be adopted -: but as the'clefeetfaaf thesYstem were clearly set before the lionse,•he .1 1 4 nii doubt that tti g N{... , ,commenclation of the ermlrriissionare would k . imcl - id4 tO by the Noble Lord at time head of the ItiShGov.ei.-nrniOt all or- Best opportunity ; "and that in such a riettnner'as ' locktially to check the continuance of the system, and to preyeol.tlia.uta; happy clOchren being thrown on the wortdwitholit Prete4 l tioe`. Mr. Se E" RIC hoped - that hil t Hon. M on. •iena'_woUld o . wi h. draw his 'motion, as net w ith ett i n di ng 'the =toy \eased ) e Pe. ports already on the table, poticelarly stie.Ferteenth Jteeee k , expressly on 'the - Charter Schools,' nothing ha.il leithi!.4one, peeing solely to the Went of some decisive WO op the pkt c, the House. The Charter School system might, oe•tAketi aF a t epe, cirrien of the old e xc lu s ive -Proteetent 'system in Ireland: '. ,In : that lightdli only were they suppoeteoth'oy the Irish .1414 a, cure; and the Imperial Parliament kirice the won; Thi. *holt . mischief, in short, of these sehocli aNea 'Nan titsir exelitsiSe . character, which rendered them mere trap% FGT . Catbolit child- yen, and created the ebumee with which they. liaise , a),W4s abounded. Since the foUndetion . bf.these Cheater Sattarla they had cost the country one m illi on, and - sii,baeqUerttly tO2the Union no less than six tiudthed thousand Ponds, ' To . Show that the religious purposes of the . 5e1)0914 ertse OPt 4ttained, it - Wag SufliCient. to mention. that itt one.scheol, none of-the bile had ever heard of St. Paul ; two' only 1). 1 4 heard .or hie Patriareh Job; ,itid with. respeet 'to, theirceogxaV*lo. VOlv - -- ledge, scarcely any of them - knew'. WhOt et. ..t.:tuNtle was a thing, a place, or an individttal ! H . ahint datherefote, eitsille .. proper occasion, move that histead:Of - ' tstig; the fdrther. snm in the Estimates of this year; to the': titY, schooli, lt.ShOuld . be voted to the GoVprrinient, - rot tlf6teperal, ohiFcts of edti- Ca tiOn.--Mr.. tiorrotram explained:- . ' - , .. . ,:11r. Secretary PEEL denied that the inquiry into the Char knu