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. - v A r..,A41f r , 4 , • 4 - - •h t f zY, . _ - toe • 7 Vlllllltil f ,_ , "urigal jo ry\c - 7 f -4 1 , 7 A 9 1 : - I A4, C/ 6414,1 /1 11;;74/ te.t.„/ ~'i `ll().).itil S • U z, 6 /, NITINIBER 10,124. TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 22, 1825 'O.VTR.9C7' for SHIRTS for , he SEAJIEN and BOYS BOY,II, NAVY. PRICE SEVENPENCE Navy-offlee, Feb. 12, 1825. THE PRINCIPAL OFTI an 4 CO .11- 11.1ISSIdNEES of HIS MAIESTY'S hereby give Notice, That on Thursday, the 2 Ith Instant, at One o'Clock, they will be -ready to treat Peraon• as may be willing to Contract for supplying - PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, MONDAY, FEB. 21. CALICO SHIRTS . for the Seamen and Boys of the Royal .Vavy, to be deliveyed at His Majesty's Dock Yard at Deptford. Patterns of the Shirts, and a Form of the Tender, may be seen at this C; . /fice. No Tender will be received after One o'Cloch, on the day of Treaty, nor any Mail ed, - unless the party, or an "'gently,- hiM, attends. ' Every /ender• must Ge acrompanW by, a Letter ad dressed to the. Navtißoard, and ♦igned by two responsible Persons•, engaging to become hound with the Person ten• dering, in the Sum of soot. lin. tht dae performlnee of the Contract. VIC7'U;4I,IIIA 7 G-OFF ICH, Feb. 1R25 T HE COMMISSIONERS for V XIV AL , -LING Ms di I/1 aLE N-4 tri', (.( j -e. do hereby give Notice, that on. Friday, the 25 , h ImAtant, they will he ready to rec'eiv'e Tenders in wri!ing (sealed ap), and treat for the supply, on separate Contra., ts, of all smell qmantities of LOAF BREAD and FRESH BEEF, as may he required by the Of ficersawl Men. attached _to the Ist Division of the Coast .113loehade fur the Prevention of Smug/T./lag, in the County of Kent ; the .sui?plies,under both Contracts, to commence on the 15th March alert, and terminate, the Loaf Bread on the 30th Sep'emher; and the Fresh Beef on the 31st - December following. Conditions tf the Contracts, 77taithe seen at this Office, or by applying to Captain .11'Calloch,'at• Deal, Mr. Stokes, ..Igent for the -Victualling at Chatham; or to the Purser of the Division. Each Tender-must specifil the price in ?cords length, and be delivered Infiffe One o'Cloth on the_day appointed, and must be accompanied by a Letter, aignedby tw,o respon, 4ible Persons, engaging -10 become bound with the Party tendering, in the Penal Sam of 30e/. for the due poform ance of the . Lord Bread Contract, and of 506 t. fur the Fresh Peel' Con tract. 7 1 / 2 e Perion who make) the Tender, or some Person on his behalf, must attend to answer when called U. 17-„11,1,ER EAST INDIA 1-IOUSE, Feb. 18, 1825. THE C O URT of DIRECTORS of the UNITED COMPANY of MERCHANTS of ENG 'LAND TRADING to the EAST INDIES, du hereby give Notice, That a GENERAL COURT of the said Compan7 will he held, by adjournment, at their House in Leadenhall-street, on FRIDAY NEXT, the 25th inst., at Eleven o'Cluck in the fore- noon, fur the purpose of continuing the consideration " of the Hyderabad Papers now before the Proprietors, as far as they respect the conduct of the Most Noble the Marquis of Hastings, late Governor-General of India." JOSEPH DART, Secretary. COLOMBIAN MINING ASSOCIATION. THE PROP RI ETO RS of this ASSOC EA TION are hereby required to take Notice, that the DEED OF ASSOCIATION has been approved by the Directors, and is READY for SIGNATURE, and that it will remain at our Office for that purpose, from To-morrow, the 11th In stant, for twenty-one days, within which period the Deed must be signed by the Proprietors on perialty of the forfeiture of the first instalment ; the hours for signature will be from ten to four Each day. Proprietors residing at a distance may sign Power of Att orney , t h e f orm o f which may be had at our Oce. SWAIN, STEVENS, MAPLES, PEARSE, and HURST, Solicitors for the Association. 6, Frederick Place, Old Jewry, London, Feb. 10, 1821. SCHOOL, for DRAWING and PAI TING No. 6, HARLOTTE-STREET, BLOOMSBURY, tstahlished for the Educatio n of Artists.—The Pupils ar e in formed, that LECTURES, in the following order, will be delivered in the course of the Spring :—On the Art of De- Vgn ; Geometry; Optics; Perspective ; Anatomy of the nman Figure; Proportion; Beauty; Character ; Expres !sion-; Composition ; Light and Shadow ; and Coh , ur. The t ours for P ract i ca l S tudy are, as usual, daily, from Seven Hi the Morning till Five in the Afternoon. CXCELLENT COPYHOLD DWELLING-HOUSE, BETH NA L-G RE EN. TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION. 13 Y . Mr. DENT, at the AUCTION MART opposite the Bank of E ng l an d , on F r i day, the 11th day of March, at 12 IPo'clock, by order of the Trustees of the late Mr. Dockwray. RE Pre m i ses cons i st o f an excellent Roomy Dwelling-House, situate No. 20, on the East side and V ery best part of Bethnal Green, containing two rooms on each beh their stories, with Kitchen, Wash-house, and other Offices Stable, opening into a large Garden, at the bOttom of which is having a back entrance from Gretton-place ; the whole Ko,bd repair, having had a large sum expend e d by t h e pre !nit Penant, who has a Lease thereof, 8,1 years of which are 11 : ex plred at the very low Rent of 281. per Annum. The pro_ Steofrtr Is Copyhold o[ inheritan ce h e ld un d er th e M anor p ti . eY, subject Shills uit Rent of One Shilling per Annum, a fine of Ten gs on death or alienation. particulars 141 viewed by leave of the Tenant, of whom printed premises may be had. Also at the Blind Beggar, near the enl ises ; .at the Place of Sale ; of Mr. Wright, Solicitor, Stock ton.; of Messrs. Perkins and Frampton, solicitor , Grays Inn ; 4 nd of Mr. Dent, Land Surveyor, Camden Town. IIYDRABAD CASE. To-morrow, will be published, price 31. Gd. LETTER, to the Right Honurable GEO. r;;;114. 'CANNING, wit h REMARKS on th e Volume of H P \PERS punted f or th e U se of the East Intim 1 1 • rop tiet ors. - lly the Hon: DOUGLAS KINNAIRD Printed for J. M. Richardson, 23, Cornii RIVINGTONS' CONTINUATION of the ANNUL , G ISTER, publi s h e d b y the Late Mr. 'MOSLEYA. RE "n Saturday Next, the 26th instant, will be published, in THEOne large Volume Bvo. price 11. i n b oar d s, ANNUAL REGISTER; or, a View of th e Hi story of Politics and Literature of the Year l'°°. This Volume will complete the Series published by lli "ingtons, fro m 1791 to 1811 incrusire, any Volume of which un be purchased separately. Th e V o l ume for 1812 will be Pub' ished with as little delay as possible. Rivingtons have lately publishgd the Volumes for 1.8240, (commencing' with his present Majesty's Reign) 18.21, and 1 813, price 18s. each. This morning the Bishop of Chichester (Dr. CAnn) read prayers ; after which Appeals were proceeded with. " Loftus v. Smythe," from the Court of Chancery in Ire land, was first called for, when- the case was opened by Mr. Home, but no Counsel was in attendence for the respondent, * and(pursuant to the Standing Orders of their Lordships) the appeal was heard ex-parte, and the further hearing was defer red to next Monday. " Grant v. Pedie," from the Court of Session in Scotland, was next called for e • when Mr. Brough a m an d M r . R ose were heard for th e appellant, and Mr. Adam and Mr. Wilson for the respondent ; and Mr. Rose again in reply. Judgment de ferred, but only to an early day. " Dewar v. Campbell," from the latter Court, was next pro ceeded with; and after the Solicitor-General had argued on behalf of the appellant, the further hearing was adjourned to Thursday. The appellate Peers were the Earls of CAEnNAnvoll - and Drolly, and the Lord Bishop of CursTr R. Adjourntd at four o'clock during pleasure, and at a quarter to five o'clock the House resumed. The LORD CHANCELLOR gave notice that he intended as their Lordships were mullioned for business on that day, to move the second reading of the Scotch Judicature Bill on Thursday. The Earl of SHAFTSBURY here intimated, that although a notice of motion was entered for Thursday, their Lordships were not summoned as yet ; but upon the motion of the LORD CIIANCELLOR, the sommonses were now directed for that day. The Earl of SHAFTSBURY presented a petition from the traders and the inhabitants of Tiverton, in Devonshire, for an alteration in the laws respecting the recovery of Small Debts ; which petition was laid on the table of this House. • STATE OF . THE NAVY. The Earl of DARNLEY rose for the purpose of presenting to their Lordships a petition, which, the Noble Earl said, had just been.put into his hand from an individual, who complained of the unsatisfactory condition of our Naval force in regard to ships. He had taken the petition in order to give this opportu. nity to his Noble Friend (Melville)opposite,-if so he might call him, for explaining to their Lordships the real state of the British Navy in confutation of the prisoner's allegations, and to assure the public how far, if at all, our shipping was endan gered by the dry rot, so as to make our ships unfit to appear at sea. • The petition (we understood, from Mr. John Burridge, late of Portsmouth) was accordingly read. The Earl of DARNLEY, while laying the petition on the table, said, 'that he believed the assertions it contained to be at all events much exaggerated, and perhaps quit() unfounded ; but he was glad to afford his Noble Friend, by presenting thg petition, an opportunity to explain to the House. Viscount MELVILLE had seen, by consent of the Noble Earl, the petition now before their Lordships ; and he could safely assert, so far from its allegations being true, that bc yond those repairs which it was necessary otir Navy should un dergo, the petition set forth matters most untrue. It appeared that the petitioner had discovered what he himself still con ceived to be a specific remedy for the dry rot in shipping, and which the petitioner professed to cure; but ships pronounced by the petitioner to be suffering from the dry rot, were, on the contrary, found on examination to prove perfectly sound.--So much had lately been said respecting our shipping, that more care had been taken on that subject of late years, anti parti cularly in the examination of ships. If the number of ships were looked to, in comparison of former times, it would result that our Navy was better than formerly : and if we adhered to the old-fashioned sort of materials and dimensions, with Bri tish oak, all must be good ; but circumstances had compelled us to resort in part to our Colonies for ship-timber, which was necessarily inferior to native. With this exception, and it did not apply to any extent, their Lordships and the public might rest assured that, considering the number of ships ready for service, our Navy was actually in a better state than at any for. mer time. The Earl of DARNLEY was quite satisfied with the state nnent of his Noble Friend. He recollected that in the case of the Howe, which was reported to be unsound, she was found quite the contrary. As, however, he had been in the habit of making complaints with regard to the state of our ship ping, he now felt great pleasure in occasioning a quite differ ent statement. In answer to a question from Earl GROSVENOR, it was stated, by Viscount MELVILLE, that the timber which was employed in addition to native in the building of ships, came partly from our own Colonies and partly from the North of Europe. Mr. Parkhouse, from the Commissioners for the Affairs of India, presented the First Report of the Tanjore Com missioners, and the Twenty first Report of the Carnatic Corn mi.%ioners. Mr. Mason, from the East India House, presented an account of Allowances, Compensations, Remunerations, and Superan nuations, granted to Officers and Servants of the East India Company, pursuant to certain Acts. Mr. Tierney, froip the Tax Office, presented an account o f a ll cases which had been d ec id e d by the. Judges in relation to the Assessed Taxes since the Returns made last year. Adjourned at a quarter to Six o'clock till to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The gallery was opehed at a quarter before five o'clock. The noise and pressing from the influx of strangers were such as to make the proceedings inaudible. We understood that the call of the House, Which was fixed (on account of the second reading of the illegal Societies' Bill) for this flay, was postponed till this day se'nnight. _ LE WES OF ABSENCE. Mr. LAM BTON received leave of absence for a month, to go the Circuit. Several other Members, whose names we could not catch, received leave of absence on account cf fits of the gout, domestic misfortunes, &c. ST. K.-ITHARINE'S DOCK. Several petitions were presented from different places, in favour of St. Katharine's Dock.—Ordered to lie on the table. HERRIES presented a petition from certain inhabitants of the town of Harwich, in favour of the Bill for the erection of St. Katharine's Dock.—Ordered to he printed. Mr. RUMBOLD presented a petition from certain inhabit. ants of the town of Ipswich, against the erection of the St. Xa tharine's Dock. ASSESSED TAXES. Mr. BUM BOLD presented u petition from the town of Yar mouth, praying for the repeal of the Assessed Taxes. —Ordered to be printed. Sir . T. LETHBRIDGE presented a petition from Ax bridge„ for the repeal of the Assessed Taxes.—Ordered to lie on the table. HOUSE TAX. Mr. H. DAVIES presented a petition from t he the parish of George, in the county o f Gloucester, prayingrepeal S o t f . for the House Tax. Also a petition from the parish of Temple, in the city of Bristol. Ordered to be printed. COALS. Mr. T. WILSON moved for a. return of the quantity of coals exported from Newcastle, with the name of the owner of the colliery from'which they were drawn, and also of the quan tity carried coastwise. Ordered. A petition was presented from Tavistock, praying for the re peal of the duty on sea-borne coals.—Ordered to lie on the t«ble• CAT ASS OCIATION. The Earl of BECT H IV OLI E p C resented a petition from the Roman Catholic inhabitants of Newcastle (as we understood), against the Bill for the suppression of the Catholic Association. — Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. GRATTAN presented a petition from Dublin, signed by some hundreds of the most respectable inhabitants, praying that the Bill now before the House, for the suppression of the Catholic Association, be not passed into a law ; and he (Mr. Grattan) must say, that he heartily concurred with the peti tioners, and protested against the Bill, as militating against the dearest privileges of th e subject, as well Protestant as Catholic, and as calculated to alienate the affections of the people of Ire land, and to turn their attention elsewhere. —The petition was brought up, read, and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. A. ELLIS presented a petition from Kilkenny, and Sir J. NEWPORT one from the Catholic inhabitants of the parishes of St. Michael and St. John, Dublin. both against the Bill for the suppression of the Catholic Association.—Read, and ordered to lie on the table. • Mr. HUME presented a petition frf.ni the Roman Catholic inhabitants ofTemplcmore, in the county of Tipperary, in favour of the Catholic Association, stating that that body had acted in consonance with their wishes, and that they consider that if the Bill p asse d i nto a law, it would be an infringement of their rights as British subjects; they prayed that the House would not pass it into a law till they . had been heard, as they were prepared to answer any accusation brought against them, Mr. Hume said, that for his own part he fully concurred with the prayer of the petitioners, and be was sorry to see Ministers propose the further oppression of Ireland; he also lamented that the English people did seem inclined to repel this attack on the liberties common to both.--Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. C. HUTCHINSON presented several petitions, stating that the petitioners believedhis Majesty's Ministers to have been deceived in the represenations made to them respecting the Ca tholic Association, and praying the measure should not pass.— He (Mr. Hutchinson) thought that if Ministers should carry this Bill to the foot of the throne, for Royal approbation, that they ought tolose their heads for the danger they would bring upon the country. The Ministers had not only the Catholics against them, but the greater part of the Protestants ; hut the measure did not originate wish the liberal part of the Cabinet it was only consented to by theirs, that they might not lose their places. Lord 'Wellesley had been compelled to disgrace him self, for this was not his measure. Ile had said, and would say again, that whatever might be the majority Ministers might have, and he was sure every man who felt as a freeman would think so also, that it was an unjust measure. The lion. Gen aleman concluded by presenting petitiomi from the Catholic inhabitants of the barony of Bantry, the town . of Voughal, and the parishes of Drumclogue, Scull, and Kilmoony, all in the county of Cork—Ordered to be printed. Sir H. PARNELL presented a petition froni the Catholic inhabitants of Maryborough, in the Queen's county,; also from the inhabitants of the barony of Durrow, in the same county, against the bill for the suppression of illegal associations in Ire land. —Ordered to he printed. Sir F. BURDETT presented a petition from the Catholic inhabitants of the town of Birmingham, against the bill for the suppression of illegal associations in Ireland ; also a petition from the Catholic inhabitants of Kihnore, county of Cavan, against the hill for the suppression of illegal associations in Ire land. The Hon. Baronet said a few' words in support of the ?sayer of the p e ti t i oners.— O rdered to he printed. Mr. GOLTLBURN presented a petition, signed by two thou sand freemen and f ree h o ld ers of the City of Dublin. The peti tion stated, that the petitioners were averse to what is called Catholic Emancipation, because they considered such a mea sure incompatible with the security of our free Constitution. They viewed with considerable alarm the establishment of such a body as the Catholic Association, holding its sittings in the .face of the GOvernment, levying taxes to a large amount, and inflaming, by its violent discussions, the minds of the mis guided populace. In conclusion, the petitioners prayed. the House to consider some measure to - guard against the evils Which had arisen, and were likely to arise from the proceedings bf the Catholic 'Association. Mr. Goulburn said, the main assertions contained in the petition met his full concurrence. The petition was ordered to he printed. • Sir AGAR ELLIS presented petitions from the Catholic in habitants of Athlone, Illiddlehurst, and Rathhard, against the Bill for the suppression of illegal societies in Ireland.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. BROUGHAM, in presenting petitions from the Ca tholic inhabitants of certain parishes in the county of Cork, against the Bill intro:Need for the suppression of illegal As sociations in Ireland, took occasion to observe, that he hoped his Majesty's Ministers would at least see the necessity of giving the inhabitants of Ireland, and those who were op. posed to the Bill in this country, an opportunity of express ing their sentinients by petition. lie undetstood that peu tions were likely to come from every parish in Ireland, and- from many parishes in England. He was convinced that the more generally the _principle of the measure should be known,- the greater opposition it 'woujd meet with. The Bill was little known yet ; it could not be known - in Ireland ; it was only known to that House a week ago, and the details of the measure could scarcely have reached the remote parts of Ireland. He hoped his Majesty's Ministers would consider the necessity of delaying to give the country an opportunity of expressing its opinion. The Oth - Olies had a right to this consideration; the House refused to hear them at the bar, and at least it should not refuse to hear their petitions. The Petition was ordered to be printed. CORPORATE RIGHTS OF CATHOLICS. Mr. BROUGHAM presented a Petition from three indivi duals, residents of the city of Dublin, named John Alcock, James Alcock, and James Henderson, complaining of the un just detention of their corporate rights by the Corporation of the City of Dublin. Mr. Brougham said, that this Petition was an answer to what had been so repeatedly asserted, that none but those in high stations were affected by the disabilities under which the Roman Catholics suffered. It was also an illustra. lion of what had been said on his (Mr. Brougham's) side of the House, respecting the practical utility of such a body as the Catholic Association. The House were aware that individuals, by birth and a c er t a i n serv i tu d e, became entitled to the civic freedom in the city of Dub lin. The petitioners stated their claims in the regu lar way, and had them laid before the Councils but they were rejected for no other reason but because they were Ca tholics. They had an undoubted legal right, two by birth and one by servitude, but still the Corporation refused to admit them. lie (Mr. B.)spledged himself as a lawyer, that the pe titioners had as strong a legal right- to the civic freedom as an eldest lawful son, after his father's decease, has to the freehold. The right having been withheld by the Corporation, the peti tioners applied to the Court of King's Bench for a mandamus ; the mandamus was grunted, and the rule made absolute ; in deed it could not have been otherwise. By force of this man damus the petitioners became possessed of their rights. Had they been Prostestants' they would have b ee n a d m i tte d w i t h out a moment's delay, and without the expellee of a single farthing. Did not this prove that the penal Statutes, and the abuses growing out of them, affected the middle and the lower classes as well as those in a high station ? It also illustrated the second proposition which he had laid down, namely, the useful charac ter of the Catholic Association in supporting the needy and op pressed against the wealthy and the powerful. If the peti tioners had not the assistance of the Catholic Association, there well-groundedre h a held reasons f fo rt r n su t p h p e o rv sin f g o , r e t v h e a r t .— rti ii ir ea r r i f) l 2 The wwoa usldhave been withheld petitioners were ready to prove the ( facts stated in the peti tion--the' challenged inquiry. The petition distinctly proved that the Catholic is in a different situation from the Protestant at respects his corporate rights.--(Hear, hear !)--fle also con tended, that it proved the practical utility of the Catholic As sociation. Sir J. NEWPORT observed, that the hardships com plained of by the petitioners were of daily recurrence in Ire land, and he regretted to add, that there were often grievous aggravations of such a line of conduct. More than one per. son had been refused admittance to his Guild—a preparatory step to his being admitted a freeman—for no other reason but curing one mandamus t o ga i n admission to the Guild, he a Rom an C at h o li c ! A f ter pro because he happened t o b e had then the trouble and expence of applying for a second mandamus to put him in possession of the civic right, to W hi c h , as hi s Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. Brougham) said, he was as much entitled as an eldest son to the freehold of his father. It was really a monstrous perversion of power which was given to Corporations, to preserve the rights of the public, but which they too often applied to the injury of those rights.—(Hear, hear, hear !)—The instance which this petition brought under the notice of the House was not a solitary in stance; there were a hundred other instances equally oppres sive and unjust. It was a notorious fact, that, in order to in duce persons connected with the Orange faction to become freemen, the fees of admission were diminished to one half, one third, and, in some instances, one fourth of the ordinary rate, to the evident detriment of the corporate property ; whilst, on the other hand, every obstacle was thrown in the way of the Roman Catholics who appli e d for admission —not only of the Catholics, but of all those who were suspected to be friendly to their cdemonlaims. d Ile understood there was a re s p ectable Protestant gen- desirous of presenting a petition on this subject : he, like the petitioners, had his corporate tights withheld, because he desired that his Catholic fellow -subjects should participate fully in the benefits of the Constitution. Ile repeated that this was a monstrous nervermon of power. Perhaps it only affected ustice, aniPit was high time for the humbler classes, but the humble man had rights as well as the proudest Nobleman in the land ; they were peculiarly interfere and protect their rights.—(Hear ! ) the Legislature to laid on the The petition was then table, and ordered to be pressed upon by o petition praying that no law printed. presented petition front the parish e'orporate inj . should not he condemned su resion of the Catholic Association, o n f l a 3 S y l t r i . ) C e A p a ß t a h s E e s e r ß i d n e e fo ' R s r , ° t in: e l t ß h e l p ' c p it and with that 9ut nity of being on opportu g heard, The Hon. httalevinegatholic Association Member said, that the Catholic§ were only anxious to procure equal laws and equal rights by constitutional means._ In these sentiments of the Catholics he fnlly concurred ; be cause he considered such sentiments just and legitimate and he hoped th e C a th o li cs wou ld persevere, by all the means which that House should leave in their power, until they ob tained a repeal of those laws which excluded them from a full participation in the benefits of the Constitution. It was un necessary for him to say, that he entffely concurred in the opinion of the petitioners, that no law ou g h t to b e passed for the suppressi on o f the Catholic Association ; and it must be quite unnecessary for him to say, that he fully concurred with the petitioners, that the Catholic Association should not be cone demned without a hearing. The contrary might be the'senti ment of the House, but it was a sentiment so abhorrent to every feeling of justice —to every feeling which he (Mr, Aber croinby) had imbibed, by intercourse, reading, or reflection, that he should never have believed it possible that the Hoitse could have adopted it, if it had not been proved by the vote of a previous evening, by which the Catholic Association was de nied a hearing.,The petition was then read, 01+0i - tiered to be printed'. BRITISH CATHOLICS Lord NUGENT presented a petition from . certain members of the British Catholic Association, against the Bill for the sup pression of illegal Associations in Ireland, His Lordship said, he had no doubt the petition would have been more fully sign ed, if there had been sufficient opportunity. As the Bill was pressed forward so rapidly through that House, the petitioners thought it advisable to have the least possible delay in the pre sentation of their petition. This circumstance accounted for the comparative paucity of the names attached to it. It was signed, however, by his Grace th e D u k e o f N or f o lk , t h e Earl of Shrewsbury, Lord Stourton, Lord Arundel, and a number of Roman Catholic gentlemen of the greatest respectability, amongst whom lie noticed the names of two Rieman Ca tholic Baronets. He (Lord Nugent) was naturally anxious to express his opinion on this important subject; he suspended his intention, however, under the feeling that a more convenient opportunity would occur when the Bill should be directly before the House. He could not sit down, however, without observing, that he fully concurred with the petitioners, that the 'Bill was alike injurious to public liberty and to the civil rights of individuals. The petition was then read, and ordered to be printed. JURIES. Mr. PJEL gave notice, that he would on Thursday next move for leave to bring in a Bill to consolidate the Laws re lating to Juries—more particularly Special Juries.—(Hear I) COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. ---NAVY ESTIMATES. Sir G. CLERK, in bringing forward the Navy Estimates, observed, that, on the Extraordinaries of the Navy, there was an increase in the present year, as compared with the last, of 120,0001. This arose from the enhanced price of materials, and from the additional expence of wear and tear. On the ordinary estimate there was an increase of 80,0001., in conse, quence of a very considerable addition having been made in the wages of the artificers employed in the dock-yards. For the last four years they had been restricted to five days in the week instead of working during the entire six.—They were now, however, employed throughout the six days, which sufficiently accounted for the increased expence. The sum voted last year was 460,0001. This year about 540,0001. would be necessary. On the half-pay pensions,_ and super a n nuat i ons, there was a reduction. It wou ld hare been greater; but some of the items, which were formerly - placed to another account, were now, under the Act of last Session, charged on the esti mate. A considerable sum was charged for carrying on se veral of the new works on the coast, Amongst these, one of the most prominent was the docks at Sheerness. For the first time they were called on to provide for the build ing of store-houses and officers' houses in the new yard. Formerly the charge was made for carrying on works, which 'were nearly finished, and it was not intended by the Ad miralty to have gone on any farther; but an offer was made to them by th e arc hit ect , t h at if h e were permitted'to proceed more rapidly, and to use the m a t er i a l s an d machinery lie had on the spot, he would be enabled to finish the new works in a short period, and at a reduced price. It was estimated that 50,0001. would complete the undertaking. The architect was to receive 4001. a-year, and to be allowed 3i per cent. on any money hemight advance, should it be found necessary, beyond the 50,0001. The. sum of 795,0007., which stood in the first column of the estimate, might be considered sufficientfor all the works. There was an increase on the estimate for the works in progress at Plymouth Sound. Independent of the ordinary works, they were building a light-house there, and it was necessa ry that that part or the breakwater which adjoined the light house should be built more substantially than the other portions of it. It was necessary that it should be built of solid materials, and of a large size., to remove any apprehension of danger from the violence of the sea. This was the reason why there was so large an addition to the sum necessary for completing this great national undertaking. It should also be observed, that the breakwater had received some damage from the hurricane of the 23d November last. But it was satisfactory to be enabled to state, that the mischief was not of any very considerable extent. That great national work proved, on that occasion, that it was perfectly suited to effect the object for which it was erected. To prevent the possibility of its sustaining any injury in fu ture, it would be finished in the most substantial manner. It was now very nearly completed, and, when finished, even with this additional charge, would come within the amount of the estimate laid before the House in 1812, The estimate, before the injury from the gales, was 286,000/., it would be now 295,0001. Some alteration would be made in the build ings connected with the victualling department, &c., at Ply mouth. At present, those establishments stood at opposite sides of the harbour. The establishment at South Down, I where the brewery was established, was very far removed from the ships, and was only accessible at particular times. This was an inconvenience which the Admiralty meant to remove. The establishment was not built on ground the property of the Crown ' but was held by lease, whi c h l ease was now nearly e xpi re d. It was intended to purchase it, and to re-build the old houses, as had been recomm en d e d b y Earl St. Vin cent - w h en he was at the head of the Admiralty. It was also in contemplaticin to build a sea-wall, for the greater security and convenience of shipping. The expence altogether would amount to about 40,000/. He concluded by moving for the sum of 54,8861. to defray the salaries and con tingent expences of the Admiralty-office for the year 1325. Mr. HUME could not understand why so large an expence was incurred on account of the Navy. if the promises held out by those who were at the head of the Government, in former years, were worthy of the smallest attention, that expellee ought now to be very sensibly diminished. The House might imagine, because there was only an increase of 200,0001. this year, and 203,0001. last year, that therefore the'rnatter was not deserving of their attention—that it was of no importance. But they ought not to view the estimate .in that light; they ought to look to what its general amount was, and to consider whether that amount was really necessary. In 1016 a. co m m i ttee was appointed to examine into, and estim ate t h e pro b ab l e expence of the Navy ter that and subsequent years, and they made their report in the House accordingly. And now, in the year 1825, instead of the aggregate amount of the expences being reduced, it was actually greater than it was in 1817. So thowgh a reduction was made in one or two years, they were now increasing the charge v e ry cons id erably. In 1817 the estimate was 5,242,0001., this, year it was 5,930,000/. Un less the world at large were at war with this country, there could be no necessity for such an enormous expence. They had been told, and they had a right to expect, that a very great decrease would be effected-in a most important article— namely, the half pay and allowances. But, so far from that expence being lowered to the ext ent o f which hopes had been held out, from 5 per cent. to 7 per cent., it was actually now very nearly as great as when the proposed reduction was inti mated. He thought there was something very extraerdinay in the system of keeping up half -pay and allowances on so was exten nillinajseasytyin'sg that the syste ministers bring back m, decidedly a r l v e bi de l e p‘e h lr, a sh d oyn t s i d o iwd l ihenosoi were a he t ri i 41 e on half pay, whenever vacan cies occurred ? Promotions w ere now as frequent as ever, with the exception of the conclusion of the war, when a gre a t num ber of promotions were gazetted. The Secretary of the Admi ralty had declared on a former occasion, that whenever a va cancy occ u rred lie hoped time nom Secretary wou ld lay on the table a a list up ,by individuals on half d during the.last mew of . t : r e vacancies should which be filledha(i occurred e c t years, and show how many of those unfortunate individuals, who were on half-pay, had been brought back to full-pay. He feared the number would prove very small indeed. In 1317, the half-pay list amounted to 1,146,600/. It had, gone on in creasing —and was, in the present year, 1,387,6921. ; th e re duction, as compared with the precedi ng year, was only 38,0001. In a few d a y s he would move for an account of all thes promotiOns which had taken place in the last year, which would enable the House to judge of the extent of this evil. Flom ' the rapidity with which promotions, were made whenever ea: . cancies occurred, he feared they were not : likely- to ; see kik great reduction made in this branch of the expenditure. Two years ago, the reductions effected by his Majesty's- Minister!! seemed to be dictated by a proper spirit—that of giving relief to the count r y a t l arge, but they appeared to havelost sight, of that object, an d no reduction had latterly taken place. re thought, therefore, that it was better for the Mouse to look•at at the aggregate amount of the estimates, rather than to consider the details at the p resent moment. They ought to say , distinct ly, " so much is sufficient for the service of the country, the re mainder must be reduced." He considered their naval force- at the present moment as enlirely toolarge. Here was an estimate of 5,933,000/. for the navy. Was it possible,- that in time of peace a sum so enormous could be wanted ? The South Attie- 7 rican States were so firmly established, that they were deemed fit objects for commercial treaties. In that quarter, then, no fleet was necessary; and he should be glad to know where any extensive naval force was required. The salaries• /lOW • paid in the publio offices were quadruple —nay, quiistuple those which had been. paid in any former peace ; and on- • questionably there was no necessity fin such an increase of emo lument. The amount of money .expended at this - momes;t for building ship s was enormous. No less than 1,000,000/, a year was thus laid ou t. Th e H on. Secretary for the Admi ralty had said, that not more than fopr or five millions had been thus expended during the peace ; but the papers on the table contradicted that statement, and their contents would not be denied. They were throwing away a million annually on the building of ships, which were rapidly flilling into decay. We had already no less than 500 ships of war, a greater naval force than all the states of the world could command—why, therefore, should. they go on building ? They ought to cease from building new ships, and apply themselves to keeping in perfect repair the old ones. The newly-built vessels were de- - stroyed by the dry-rot. The Hon. Comptroller of the Navy (Sir B. Martin) smiled at the idea of the dry-rot. It was the fact, nevertheless, that it was doing a great deal of Mischief.— The Hon. Comptroller, and others on the opposite side of the House, had stated th a t thi s ev il did not exist to any great ex tent. But their statements were by no means borne out. If he looked at the immense expence incurred for the repair o 1 vessels, he would find that the dry-rot did very great damage to the Navy. He would not go the length which some indi viduals did, and say that half the navy was useless, hut he believed, from concurrent report, that more damage had been done to 'our ships of war since the use of unseasoned timber came into fashion, than was ever before known. Those who' had the management of the naval department tried all manner of experiments to check the evil. One time they used coal-tar,' at another oil ; then they covered the ships when building, and sometimes they salted the timber. They went backwards and forwards with their experiments, which afforded the best proof that they themselves did not know how to remedy the disease. He would ask, did they now use coal-tar, or did they apply. oil, or, in short, did they pursue any settled system ? They Were changing their course of proceeding every four or fire years; and he now submitted to the House, that the expendi.: ture of upwards of 1,000,000/. a-year for the building of ships deserved much more consideration than' had been given to the subject. The discovery of steam navigation had altered the nature of maritime warfare altogether. Come war when it might, the mode of warfare in the narrow seas would be very different from what it was at present. They were now expend.: ing a million a-year in building ships of war, and it' a period arrived for the renewal of hostilities, they would not, • perhaps, be used at all. It would' be much better to cease from building ships for the next five years, and to keep' up in good repair the live hundred we already possessed. The whole of Europe had not that number,of ships. Why not let . the timber for the navy remain in the forests until imperious necessity called for it to be felled. .The axe could be applied whenever it was really wanted. No man wished more than he did to see an efficient navy kept up, but he never could agree to the useless and extravagant expenditure of SO, large a sum of money. He saw a considerable sum charged for the improve merits in dock-yards acrd wharfs. He was surprised at thie, after what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Harwich (Sir. O. Warrender). • That lion. Member had suited, that if he had been aware, three or four years ago, that ships might be easily conveyed from Chatham to Sheerness by the means of steam-boats, which could to w th em up an d down, the sum ex pended on Sheerness should not have been laid out. Here, however, it appeared, that the sum of 795,0001. was to be voted for works now in progress at Sheerness. When they had such a dock-yard as that of Chatham, and when ships might be carried up and down without delay, by means of steam-boats, he could not but view this establishment at Sheerness as most gratuitous and useless. If, at a period of war, when they - had a thousand ships, they could do without this establishment, what could they possibly want with it now in a time of profound peace ? There was also an enormous charge -_a charge of 300,0001., for works at Plymouth, which deserved the attention of the House. —When sums of this magnitude were called for, Parliament ought to have a little more detailed information than could-be contained in a speech delivered at the table. He also observed a charge for the dock-yard establishment at Halifax. Why could not Halifax defray its own expences ? There was no reason why the people of England should,' from year to year, be burdened in this way. He wished to see the navy; which • was, and deserved to be, the favourite service of the country, kept in the most efficient state ; but he could not suffer what he conceived to be a useless expenditure, which would go on increasing, if it were not checked, to pass unnoticed. Mr. ROBERTSON said, when their commerce was increas ing in every quarter of the globe, it was proper that a very) large naval force should be kept up, for the purpose of protect lag it. He contended that they ought not to cease from building ships, since they were necessary to the welfare and security of the country. The Hon. Member for Aberdeen had in his opinion . recommended. the most mischievous policy, on this occasion . , that could possibly be devi se d. F ormerly our commerce wa4 confined to Europe, the Mediterranean, and the West Indies ; but now there was not a country on the face of the earth where our ships were not at anchor.--(Hear, hear!)—lf, then, a new, rupture occurred, was it no t necessary t h at a great naval force . should be read to protect them ?—(hear, hear !)—He tr us t e d his Majesty's Minister s wo u ld not shrink from their duty, but that they would extend the navy as much as possible, not duly to repel the aggression of foreign powers, but to protect the im mense commerce of' Great B:itain.—(llear 1) - Mr. HU.llk said, he was as anxious as any man to have.the navy in an efficient state—in such a state that it might, cope with the world ; but the real mischievous policy of which he complained was, the system of building ships merely to rot. The resolution .was then agreed to. The sum (4'29,633/. was moved' for the salaries and contin gent expences of the Navy Pay-office. Mr. HUME said, the expence of'this office in a former period of peace was 12 or 13,000/. ; and it ought certainly to he reduced, Sir B. 3IAR'I'IN said, at the time to whi c h the Hon. Mem_. tier referred, there was not the shadow of the busintls was now to be performed. It was utterly impossible to execute it for a smaller sum. Resolution agreed to. The next vote was 56,760/., for salaries and contingent ex e pences of the Navy.office.- Mr. HUME thought there were too many Commissioners iii this department. Sir B. MARTIN said, there was the same number of corn ' " miseioners, now as there had been in the time of the late war, and there was quite sufficient to keep them employed. 'there were, howevee, four commissioners less than 'in the Arneri%iat war. In 1786, there were seven commissioners. At e period a commission was appointed to investigate thern state Nave of different offices, and amonat others, of insufficient for the business of the office; . 'office. They reported that seven commissioners a n n cr ( eased to tea it was recommended that the number should be increased one-tenth of commissioners ; and at that time there was not the peace, the the business that was now performed. - 7718 ,1 4: -Since to the whole of the transport department hadbe e s n e " I d sa b 20,0001. a-year. The • Navy-office, by which the public saved_ diminished, as compared number of commissioners had belo a fi - c h e o rs w were under d ise h t h a e rg m i • d been increased. By the with 1789, whilst their business had three commissioners in each Order in Council they a e committee ; but Lowii7rs::.w•Tlielllvillc ' e only two to each committee. It oilers than they had. business with fewer commisel that the additional labour fell, i a r t isli t d m e e d p fr o a t s h y s a i impossible e e t hetexor expence th e Mr. itUIIE was voted was for 157,1761. for his Majesty's yards • The resolution The sum of 33,9771• in the Victualling-office. t resolution The next at borne. TCH BULL comlained, as we understood, laries Sir E. K , s hipwrights anti othe r• that many d e ek.yard at Chatham, while none were removed fro • from the 4 1 f sm outh or Plymouth. The consequence. of this was, yor. that not on rtiltilecCosnohitn:ligieirsn.isgeionnezrrse,cbdu:oonthoasnel