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MANSION-HOUSE. The landlord of the Rose public.house, in Rose-alley, Itishopsgate, was summoned by Alderman Copeland before the Loan Ahrore under the following circelentances : The Alderman in passing along the ..11. - reet saw a young man, named Dick, who is an instedor of the watch, with his bead bound up, and epsostioned him upon the subject, Dick shocked the Alderman by stating that his es' ha'cl been knocked ottt on the preceding night leheo he went into the Rote nirblic-house to clear it at ha!f-paat twe'Ne o'clock. There were, it appeared from the ancortunate young raan's statement ) s'veral infamer..a characters of both 'sexes, in the I'-szw at that lidur, and as Alderman (rpeland had siren particukr directions r es p ect * prisoners, Dick and Petch, another officer, but with the greatest rsaildness, to remove t".^ , ..1 rrom the t a p. room and the bar. While Dirk Was expostulating with rine of the company, another srid to those near him, " Twig the trap coy e): give it 'em ;" and th e next mo i. anent Dick received a blow which actually burst his eye, and destrofts.i the sight of it for ever. The other officer exerted himself to get hold of the desperate assaiiant-, who is believed to be a thief from Wentworth -street, but there being about 50 ruffians round him and his cot: Trade it is 'considered miraculous that they escaped with their lives. The Alderman upon enquiring why Dick had not com plained at the Mansion-house, was told by him that tire owner of the house had lost all his property in the house, and humanity prevented any complaint. Th e poor fel!oxv was immediately rent off by the Aldetnian to the hospital in a high fever, and as soon as it was safe to have It t a examination on the subject, directed the publican to attlitar, when a statement was made that excited an Irnall surprise at the lax degree of discipline observed in some districts. Several of the officers, anti itelecd the Alderman himself, bore testimony to the goad character of the landlord, and stated that the influx or ruffians to the premises could not be prevented or decreased by any exertions upon the part of the person who ought to have a contront there. `Nifty complaints had been made at different times against the house, and still the neighbourhood ws, constantly dis turbed and harassed by these custotlers. In fact, a land lord in tiush a house was nothing more than an automa- ton. Although the bad repute of the eam•ern is a matter of old standing, and robberies have been from time to time committed in the immediate vicinity by thieves who had been seen to issue from it, still the holm, When the licensing day came round, received from the bench of Al dermen the usnal authority to open, and continui d to be a licensed receptacle for thieves. The unfortunate landlord said, that he had taken the house upon speculation, expecting, that by his activity and friends, he would be enabled to make it somewhat decent, but all was in vain. He believed that the devil himself had a power over it, and he (the landlord) should never open it again, as he considered that nothing on earth could remedy the evil. Alderman Corea—trio said the licence bad been re viewed to the different persons wile made the hazardous experiment, in the expectation that, as they were re apectable, some ch alp might take place in it. It was, he observed, most extraordinary how any one, with cont won understanding, could think of carrying on business in such a place The def ndant was punishable by a fine of 31. for keeping open his home at a late hour; lint, as the customers were so unmanageable, if the landlord would pledge himself never to open his house again, no fine should be pressed. The lattdlortl at once promised. The poor young man who lost his eye was then removed to the hospital. The salary which, we understand, he has fur constantly ex posing his life to such dreadful risks is a guinea per week. ale was an object of the etepest compassion, and bears an excellent character. Some of the officers stated to the Lord Mayor that the inhabitants of - New-street were subject to very great annoy ance in consequence of the labours of some gentlemen, at the head of whom was the nephew of Lord Gambier, to convert the Jews about the Minories and Houndsditch to the Christian religion. A house, which had been a car penter's shop, was the place in which the children of Israel congregated to hear the effusions of those who wished to convert them to the true faith ; hut the arena became a place very often of gibing and mockery, and at such times presented a scene not at all favourable to the interests of religion. Under such circumstances, it was hoped that the Magistrates would interfere. The Loan Mayon asked whether any breach of the peace had been committed there ?—The officers said they bad not Seen any violence, but they heard threats and cries of t. Pull him down," from time to time, and they were apprehensive that if great care were not taken martyrdom would be the conrequence. The Lona, MAyort said he supposed the preachers had licences ?—The officers said 'they certainly had, and were persons of unexceptionable characters, but the idea of at tacking the Jews in the very heart of their habitations was considered quite absurd. It did not appear to them that a single convert was likely to he made, although the teachers appeared very sincere. One of the principals declared that they would persevere in the good work, and they despaired not of accomplishing a Reform amongst the Jews. The LORD MAYOR said the oficer• must take care that no breach of the peace should be committed, but declined to interfere with the converters. GUILDHALL. A young man, named George Pilgrim, was brought before Sir CLAUDIUS S. HUNTER, Bart ,yesterday, charged with exposing for sale the last number of Hetherington's penny newspaper, on Saturday afternoon, on Holborn bridge. The complaint was made by Davis, one of the city policemen, who said he brought the prisoner before the bitting Alderman ►ast week for the like offence, and I e was then discharged with a caution not to be found of• fending again. Prisoner said he was not aware that he had committed •' a crime." He was discharged because he was merely lending the paper and not selling it, and he thought there was no law against thin. It rtruck him that he must be right in this view, or the Magistrate would have punished bin► before. Mr. Payne that to give them away, to utter cr carry them about, was an offence against the Act (26 (ieo. ll.)—Tlie prisoner wus then committed. REFORM BEACONS.—These in the High lands of Scotland are taking place of the ancient fiery cross. From Kenmore we have the following cotnrnuni cation :—" A number of respectable individuals resident in the vicinity of Ben Lawers, desirous of testifying their loyalty and united approbation of the proposed measures of his Majesty's Ministers, under the auspicious aid and concurrence of their most gracious Sovsaxtox, in their newly-adopted plan of Reform, and in strong anticipation of a favourable result, have resolved on erecting a bonfire un the summit of that lofty mountain, which, with vari ous combustibles, will consist of a bane! of tar. From the eligible spot chosen for this purpose, it cannot fail in having a brilliant effect; and although perhaps not the largest exhibited on the occasion, will inevitably prove the most prominently conspicuous, being elevated upwards of four thousand feet above the level of the sea, and com manding a view of various parts of the three kingdoms The enthusiastic feelings prevailing in the minds of the Gael, on this attempt to •unfetter them from the yoke they have so long and patiently endured, will operate as an incentive to prove their valour and gallantry in the cause of their KING and country, when summoned to rally round her staudard. EXECUTION OF PATRICK STEWART FOR TICE MURDER AND BURNING OF TUE LTTLES.-The exe cution of this wretched man took place on Monday, a little after one o'clock, in front of Liff'rd gaol. He came out on the drop, and, in an audible voice, protested his inno cence of the crime for which he was about to suffer. He also declared that his father was guiltless of the murder— that he and his father were both as innocent as the child unb,,rn. He declared he forgave his prosecutor'', and re- (paired the prayers of all Christians, &c. He then returned into the room, and very soon after came out again with the cap drawn over hie face—in a few tninutes the drop fell, and the rope broke, when the unfortunate man came to the ground. It did not appear that he was seriously hurt by the fall. After be came to the ground he fell back on the atone at' pa at the gaol door, and the back of his head or neck was cut, and bled profwiely. He was immediately taken into the gaol by the turnkeys, and shortly after brought again to the fatal drop. He was put out on the other part of the drop, which is double; and did not apperr to have been injured by the fall, otherwise than by the wound in the back of his head or neck. He stood firmly on the drop, without assistance. The executioner did not allow such a length of rope as at first, and let the drop fall more gradually. The criminal rather slid down between the two sides of the opening drop. It appeared as if hi s 'des as his shoe stuck in the foot caught in one of the sides, soon appeared dead. drop. He did not struggle at all, ant . . There is something more than horrifying in the circum stances attending the above execution. The same breaking of the rope, the same tangling at the close of the tragedy, took place at the execution of the culprit's brother. o detedereg Journal. 1111YLKIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Auausr 16. Shortly after Three o'clock the SPEAKER entered th. (louse. Mr. HUNT presented a iletitnil k..311'‘ the unemployed carpenters end joirier'a 'metropolis, agreed to at a public rneetitg, stated that upwards of 12,000 car ; nehters metropolis were unemployed, chiefly on Pt • of the:use of machinery and easkiroo houses in lieu of wood. They erayetitl e titiuse to vote a sum of 'unney for the snltt'!" 'oi public buildings as a means of giving tifeeMployment, and they also prayed for an ex of the elective franchise. Sir C. BURRELL asked the Hon. Member if he was tsvare that a great part of the distreta of which the pe titioners complained tvaa caused by combinations among the workmen ?_( Hear.) He knew that many well disposed persons were willing to work, but they were prevented from getting 'employment, Orden it was at thy rate of 30s. a week. If that were true, it was preposterous for these men to ask for a vote of tabit'ey to erect public works and thereby give them etOployment. Mr. HUNT' tail) the petitioners had informed bin that 'hey ea'ere opposed to all such combinations as thine al luded to by the Hon. Member. The petition was ordered l)e prin'ed, Mr. HUNT ton presented a petition front certain in hat_A'tatllt of B.tb, complaining of the extravagance in the public expenditure, and praying for a reduction in the standing army and public salaries, and for a repeal of certain taxes.—Ordered to be printed. The [ION. MEMEER then moved for copies of certain resolutions and regulation! of the Magistrates of the county of Southampton, assembled at Winchester, in Augost, 1822, relative to paupers.----Ordered. Mr. SHELL presented a petition from the Roman Catholics of the town of Newtownsmith, in the county of Galway, praying for a reduction of the stamp duty for persons obtaining their freedom from 3/. to 1/. Also several petitions from various parts of Ireland, against the grant to the Kildare-street Society. Lord MILTON rose to present a petition which he had intended to present list Session, but was prevented by the dissolution of Pat liament. It was from the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, Sherif..., and citizens of Dublin, praying the House to establish a Board of unpaid Commis sioners resident in Dublin, for the purpose of ascertain ing atul developing the resources of Ireland. The peti. tioners stated, that the depression and distress that prevailed in Dublin was not limited to that city, but extended over the country generally.; that the real nature and extent of the distress was not generally understood by this House, and that their only tootle of remedying those evils was by establishing a Board of Commissioners, for the purpose of developing the resources of the country and making them applicable to the existing distress. The Noble Lord stated, that in his opinion it was ext7emely advantageous that there should be an intervening body between the people and the Govertmlent of that country, who could report the result of their labours to this House. That was, in his opinion, the best mode of making this House acquainted with the true state of Ireland. Mr. GRATTAN said this subject was one of very con siderable importance, and well deserved the attention of the House. A Board of Commissioners, sitting in Dub- I lin, and inqu!ring into matters connected with the country, would enable the House to obtain more satisfactory infor mation relative to the true state of Ireland than m hat it at the present time possessed. Irish ques tions were not sufficiently understood when they became the subject of discussion in this House. The silk _ . . trade, now so depressed, and the Irish fisheries, now almost wholly neglected, as well as various other matters, would come under the cognizance of such a Board, and the best means would immediately present themselves to view to effect great and important improvements.— The inquiries made by such a Board would he ext emely serviceable to the Legislature when legislating fur. Ireland— (Hear)—lnd the House would be relieved from a great deal of that discussion upon Irish affairs which so often now occupied the attention of this House.—(Hear, from Mr. O'Connell.) As the Board would cost the country nothing, and as great benefit was expected to result from its establishment, he implored the House to give it at least a trial. Colonel CONOLLY said as the city of Dublin at present had no representatives be would support the prayer of the petition. Irish subjects too often came b fore this House in an undigested shape, which would not again occur if a Board of Commissioners was established. The lion. Member complained of the evils which resulted from the frequent change of Secretaries of the Irish Government, each en tertaining different opinions and views of the state of Ire-. land. As it would cost the country nothing, he would strongly recommend a trial of a Board of Commissioners, which, at least, would satisfy the country. Much of the useless discussion of Irish suhjects,with a lack of information, and many of the impracticable, not to say nonsensical, plans that were suggested to this House, would he pre vented by the subjects undergoing a proper inquiry by the Commissioner Mr. WYSE was so deeply impressed with the import. ance of this subject, that he had intended to propose last session the establishment of such a Board. His propo sition was, that several Boards be appointed, and various subjects entrusted to each Board. There were many sub jects upon which this House was frequently occupied, without having sufficient knowledge of the circumstances before it. The local interests of Ireland would he better entrusted to a local Board, leaving the greater or imperial interests to be referred to this House. Local administra tors of local interests were found of great service on the c. , ntlnent, and he trusted they would, in accftrdsnce with the prayer of this petition, he established in Ireland. Mr. O'CONNELL could not allow this opportunity ta pass without saying a few words upon the subject. The testimony given by the petitioners as to matter of fact was altogether irresistible. They could have no motive to exaggerate the distress, the extreme—he would say the almost indescribable distress of all clas.es and grades in Ireland ; indeed their party feelings, if they had any such, would lead them to the contrary extreme. Under 'his state of things it was not to be wondered at that the Irish Members, more frequently perhaps than others thought convenient or becoming, had been obliged to come before the House. They were compelled to do it. One thing he could not avoid saying, and that was, that these demands for Boards in Ireland were symptom atic of the very general, if not universal, desire for local Legislatures. It was idle to talk of Boards, the people wanted local arrangements in Ireland, to supply local infor mation for the Legislature. The Noble Lord, he was assured, saw as well as be (Mr. O'Connell), the inefficiency of that House to legislate for Ireland. Nothing could prevent a san guinary convulsion throughout the country unless there were such a thing as a local Legislature ; the establishment of cor porations in Dublin was now demanded, and that proved not indeed the wisdom of the plan, but the dire necessity of the situation of Ireland. The petition was drawn up with very considerable talent, and he would support it. Colonel TORRENS thought that the establishment of inch a Board was necessary, not merely to chew what might he done, but to chew what should not be done. As to domestic Legislature, he held that it was impossible far two countries to have separate Legislatures, and remain in permanent political union. If there was to be a do mestic legislature 'in Ireland, there should be also one in Scotland, another in England, and another in Wales,—a federative union het% een all, and one Imperial Parliament. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL (Ireland) said he would support the petition. Much distress certainly, he admit ted, existed in Ireland, but then he could not trace it, with some, to the union of that country with England; that union had neither caused nor in any degree aggra vated the distress; and those who advocated the repeal of that union, took a course which would tend very much to the destruction of both countries. Lord MILTON deemed it most unwise in the Irish na tion to indulge in golden visions of future snanufactur ing prosperity. Whatever might be the partialities of Irishmen, he would say that it was to agriculture and not to manufacture that Ireland was to look fur prosperity, and agricultural improvements could be promoted only by the farmers and land-owners of that country. Mr. O'CONNELL admitted that England had advan tages for manufacturing, for skill, and every thing else, still Ireland would not be behind any part of the world particularly in its water-power. Lord EBRINGTON would not set up his know ledge of -Ireland against that of the Honourable and Learned Member who had just spoken ; hut he must he allowed to say that he considered the distress of Ireland general, and with respect to Dublin be did not believe that the distress existing there had increased latterly. Sir GEORGE ROSE made a few observations which were inaudible in the gallery. Lcrd MILTON could not agree with what had been stated with respect to the introduction of our laws into Ireland. He thought one of the greatest benefits that could be conferred upon the Irish would be to place another description of food within their reach than that which they at present had, and the introductien of Corn Laws would have that effect. The petition was then read. Mr. TALBOT . preeentrd a velition front Swansea, •-• 3 praying it no Iteration in t which affected them. !he anise in the Refo] )rtn Bill Mr. BLA./cFr*TE`e presented a petition from Cirlow, r !.. k t!tt g to be allowed a drawback nn the malt duties. Mr. BALFOUR presented a petition from Haddington against the use of molasses in distillation. _ ✓ Mr. O'CONNELL presented several patitloS From dif ferent parte uf 'rean ! tgthit ite grants to the Kild tre strset iilso a petition from the county of Kil ,sznny, praying that the Government would take the Church property in Ireland under its own immediate management, and that there might be an equal distribution among all classes of clergymen. On the motion that the petition be brought up, Mr. CRAMPTON denied some of the statements made a few nights ago with respect to the Castle Pollard affair. It ha , ' been then stated that Protestants had been selected to serve on the Jury, and that Catholics had been rejected, in consequence of instructions having been given by the Law Officers of the Crown to that effect. lie could as sr.re the Mouse that no such instructions had been given, nor was any man challenged on going into the box on account of his being a Catholic. After some few observations from Mr. O'CONNELL in reply the petition was read. Mr. SIIEIL certain') did not mean to occupy s o much time on this subject, but he thought his Right Hon. Friend, the Irish Solicitor-General, had taken up this subject with a disproportionee warmth. The trium phant defence of that Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman was, that out of twelve Kilkenny Jurors, one was a Roman Catholic ! The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman smiled, but he ought to consider it no laughing subject; and instead of persist. ing in a system calculated to generate abuse, it ought to he the decided intention of the Government to put an end to it. And as the Right Hon. Gentleman had the management of a Jury Bill just now, it was to be hoped that he would introduce clauses to correct the recurrence of such infamous practice.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. O'CONNELL said, that to-morrow he should moved that a copy of the report made to his Majesty's Go vernment of the Maghara transactions, which occurred on the 19. h of December, be laid on the table. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the inha• hitants of Carrick-on-Suir, playing that the yeomanry might be disarmed. NEW WRIT. Lord STORMONT moved that a writ might issue far the election of a Member for the borough of Armagh. Sir G. CLERK called the attention of the House to a subject deeply affecting the privi:egee of Parliament. He alluded to the delay which had taken place in returning the writ issued for the election of Members for the borough of Great Grimsby. The writ had been issued on the 2d inst. and the election was completed on the 10th; and yet, although the two gentlemen elected came ta town on Friday to take the oaths and their seats, and had attended for that purpose on Saturday, yesterday, and to-day, it appeared that no return hid been made by the Sheriff. Ile was certain that the House would agree with him that there was no question to which they ought to look with greater jealousy than that the number of Members should be complete, and for that purpose various Acts had been passed. But with regard to the returning officers being compelled to make im mediate returns to writs, the Inv was considerably re lazed. He conceived it a great breach of the privi leges of the House, if a returning officer delayed making a return one hour after the election. Upon enquiring, lie found that the last occasion on which the House took notice of the delay in the return of a writ was in the year 1806, when the Sheriff of the city of Water ford neglected to return a Member. On that occa sion the Deputy Cie' le of the Crown had been or dered to attend the House, and to state whether any re turn had been made from the Sheriff. The Hon. Baronet should adopt that course and moved accordingly. Lord ALTHORP agreed with the Right Hon. B ironet that it was not merely the duty of the House to see that its Members were complete, but still more its duty to prevent any trick.—(Hear, hear.) The Clerk of the Crown-office, having attended at the bar, was examined, and stated that no return had been made up to this morning front Great Grimsby. Sir G. CLERK should follow up the course pursued in the Waterford case, by moving that the Sheriff of Lin colnshire and the returning officer for Great Grimsby be ordered to attend the bar of the House on Friday next. After a few words from Lord ALTHORP, Sir THOMAS FREEHA HTLE, and Sir Joust WROTTESLEY, the question was agreed to. Mr. KENNEDY begged leave to ask the Lord Advocate a question relating to some occurrences, which, on the 12th of July last, had agitated that part of the country with which he was connected, he meant the county of Ayr. The disturbances to which he alluded had been the cause of much alarm ; lives had been lost, and certain persons had been in dicted for their participation in them.--(Hear, hear.) It was rumoured that interferences unknown to the law had been made in behalf of one about to be tried for his life, by a distinguished individual unconnected with that part of the county where the events took place, and he was ment desirous that a satisfactory answer should be given. The LORD ADVOCATE Said, in respect to general rumour, and as far as the precise information which he had received was concerned, the Hon. Member was correct. Such an interference had taken place, and he had directed immediate inquiries as to the accuracy and extent of it to he made, but he had yet received no posi tive answer. Mr. lIUME postponed his motion respecting the Bishopric of Derry for one week. He did not oish to in terfere with the progress of the Reform Bill, and hoped no advantage would be taken of this postponement for filling up the office to which his motion referred. The flox. MameEn then moved for an account of ad vances made out of the Consolidated Fund, by the promo tion of Exchequer Bills, for the carrying on public works in Ireland. Lord ALTIIORP moved the order of elre day for the House resolving into a Committee on the Reform Bill. Lord VALLETORT request& some explanation on the subject of France. In doing so, he thought he did a favour to Ministers. He knew their desire was for peace, but peace, desirable as it was, might be too dear a price for the compromise of a nation's honour. The transaction to which he alluded was, that the French Government had, since their attack upon Lisbon, taken pos session and expressed a determination to keep all Portuguese ships that were lying in the Tagus, except two schooners, at the time of the attack. If the information he had received was correct, and if Government could give no more satisfactcry explanation of it than had been given by France, he would say that the fleet of Sir Edward Codrington might have been employed much more for the honour and interest of the country than in laying at anchor in the Downs, or cruising in the Scheldt to crush the efforts of Holland. He trusted some satisfac tory answer woti'd be given. Lord PALMERSTON said, as to facts the N , ,ble Lord tvas correctly informed. All the Portuguese ships of war were considered as spoils of war. They were taken, and the line. of-battle ships were given up, it appearing on investigation that they had not taken any part or share in the action. If an opportunity were granted him, and if a charge were made that hit Majesty's Ministers had not duly supported the honour of the country, or fulfilled the obligation imposed upon them by duty, he would defend their conduct, to the satisfaction he was sure of the country, and,to the credit of Ministers. Mr. COMITENAY wished to ask the Noble Lord whether, if a war of aggression was made upon our ally, Portugal, it was nut one in which this country would be bound to interfere? Lord PALMERSTON should certainly decline to an swer any such question. If there was any Hon. Member who thought that in matters connected with foreign policy the Government had not done their duty, let that Hon. Member submit such a question to the House; and when ever it was brought forward he would undertake to say that the Gm'ernment would be able, as well as willing, to defend their conduct. Mr. COURTENAY should take. an early opportunity for that purpose. REFORM. The order of the day for the House resolving itself into a Committee on the Reform Bill was then real. hlr. PAGET called the attention of the Noble Lord opposite to the manner in which the Bill was now printed. He was understood to state that some clauses were in serted which ought not to have been there. He also made some observation upon the 18th clause of the Bill, but, owing to the confusion which prevailed in the House, his remarks did not reach the gallery. Lord ALTHORP's answer was also inaudible. Mr. PAGET then referred to other clauses of the Bill, which, he said, gave the Commissioners a discretion as to the incorporation of parts of parishes. That discretion would, in some cases, operate disadvantageously. There was the borough of Leicester for instance, in which parts of certain parishes were within the present limits of the borough, but the whole of these parishes had long been comprised within the town. Now he wished to know from the Noble Lord, whether it was the intention of Go vernment to confine the precincts of the borough to those within which the borough now existed, or whether they intended to include other parts of the town? Lord ALTHORP had answered several times, that where a part of the parish came into the centre of the town, the whole of the parish was to he taken into its limits. Mr. WARBURTON feared that the it4th clause would not give the Commissioners the power to carry the Noble Lord's intentions into effect. MAntiMiSSION OF SLAVES. Lord ALTHORP was about to move that the House do resolve itself into a Committee on the Reform Bill, when Mr. BRISCOE said, he wished to put a question to the Noble Lord respecting the manumission of slaves. A short time since he bad asked the Noble Lord whether orders had not been sent out to emancipate the slaves in the colonies belonging to the Crown, when the Noble Lord, to his surprise, answered him in the negative. By merely changing the form of his question, he believed he should obtain an answer in the affirmative; and he trusted he should, for such an answer would beshailed with delight throughout the Empire. He now wished to ask the Noble Lord, whether orders had not been sent out to the Crown colonies to emancipate those slaves that belonged to, and were part of the property of the Crown ? Lord ALTHORP had certainly been surpri , ed at the question put on the former occasion by the lion. Gentle man, because it was impo.sible that any such orders could have been given. With re , pect to the question as it was now put, he answered that such orders had been sent out. ' that an humble address be presented to his Majesty, pray ' ing that he would lay before the House, as early as pending negotiations would permit, information showing how far neutrality had been observed or violated during the pre sent war by States bordering on Poland, and especially by Prussia. Also with reference to the passage of bodies of troops near the neutral frontiers—the supply of provi sions. arms, aminun;tion, or aid of any kind, or the free transit of merchandiv, &c. Lord PALMERSTON said that he could not concur in the motion, and did not intend to follow the Hon. and Gallant Member through the discussion into which he had entered, of the various transactions within the last few months connected with the unfortunate war between Rus sia and Poland. He was sure that the House would believe that the Government of this country could not have wit nessed that contest without the deepest tegret, and that it would 1),2 most satisfactory to than to see it terminated.— (Hear, hear.) At the same time he w..s convinced the House would feel that, if he entered into a discussion of the merits of the cause of the two parties—of the circum stances out of which the war had arisen—of the conduct of other nations in reference to that contest—he should be widely departing from that line which it was his duty as a Minister of the Crown to observe.—(Cheers.) The mo tion in its present form (lid not require the production of papers : the fitness of laying them before Parliament was made to depend upon a contingency, and he suggested to the Hon. and Gallant Member that he might wait until the period arrived when the documents could be produced without injury to pending negotiation'. He trusted that the House and the Hon. and Gallant Member would not think that he was wanting in respect to either, if, without going into details, he simply entreated that the motion should be negatived, without requiring him to enter at a'l into the question.—(Hear.) Mr. HUME was unwilling to prolong the discussion, but he trusted that the Noble Lord would not refuse to satisfy the just expectations of thole who took a strong . . . interest in the war between Poland and Russia. The Noble Lord would not deny that the five Great Powers at the Congress of Vienna (always ready enough to maintain other engagements) bound themselves by treaty to maintain the rights and privileg sof the Poles. The Poles were placed under the protection of the States of Europe, and on that ground the British Government ought to show that they had a disposition at least to consider their claims. Ile (Mr. Hume) was sorry that this country had been a party to the stipulations at the Congress of Vienna ; but as Mi nisters had taken such a strong interest in the affairs of Holland and Belgium, it became them to take care that the liberty of the Poles was equally secured. He would not require the Noble Lord to disclose anything that would interfere with the progress and success of measures he was willing to believe the British Cabinet had adopted, but he had hoped that the Noble Lord would declare his intention to maintain the treaties n gociated by Lord Cas tlereagh in 1815. The proceedings of that Noble Lord on that occasion slid him more honour than perhaps any ' other act of his life. To him the Poles were mainly in debted for the stipulations to secure them a Constitution distinct from that of Russia He had expected that the Noble Lord would have admitted the rights of the Poke, and that they were entitled at our hands to as touch jus tice as we had endeavoured to secure for Belgium or Hol land. He had, therefore, heard with great regret the 'Meagre, or rather the no answer of the Noble Lord. He was sorry that more had not been said ; and sure Le Wile, that what 11;1,1 been said did not maintain the honour and character of England towards Poland. He begged to enter his protest against such partiality as the British Go vernment seemed in this instance disposed to show. A nation nobly struggling for its liberties was entitled to the benefit of latitude of construction, and the weight and in fluence of Great Britain ought to have been thrs,wn into the scale. A. far as had come to his knowledge, not one of the great Powers had shown the least sympathy, or hail taken measures for maintaining good faith towards Poland. No individual in the three kingdoms could be less anxious than he was to drive Ministers into a war, but he contended that an equal measure of justice was due to the Poles as to the Dutch and Belgians. Lord PALMERSTON added, that he hoped that noth ing he had said, and nothing he had omitted to say, would lead any man to supposes that the British Govern ment had forgotten any obligations imposed upon them by treaties, or that they were not prepared to fulfil those treaties. Mr. DOMINIC BROWN (who had seconded the amendment) maid, that he had felt the utmost indignatio❑ at the apathy with which the House had listened to the statement and motion of the Hon. and Gallant Member. He had hoped to have witnessed more sympathy, and he should not have seconded the proposition hsd any other Member come forward. fie had full confidence in the Administration of- Earl Grey, the friend and disciple of Char:es James Fox, the champion of liberty all over the world ; and he had no doubt, therefore, that justice would be done to the unhappy and oppressed Pole. lie hoped that the Hon. and Gallant Member would withdraw his amendment, and not press it to a division. Colonel EVANS was proceeding to remark that he had done his duty, however the House might think fit to ne glect ita duty, when he was called to order by The SPEAKER, who remarked, that the Hon. and Gallant Memher was doubly out of order—first, because he had not confined himself to explanation ; and secondly, because he had no right to say that the rest of the House did not do its duty. Mr. O'CONNELL was of opinion that this was not the precise tnotrwrit when a question of such a kind could be properly introduced. He believed, however, that the sentiment in favour of a gallant and struggling people w,,s warm and general : it was tkie anxious desire of all that they should be able to destroy the foul and grinding de spotismto which they had i*en too long subject, and that the Poles should triumph over their enemies. Colonel EVANS added, that when he was interrupted, he was only about to say, that the apathy of the House might possibly arise !rout the cold and feeble manner in which he had brought forward the subject. Tho question was put on the amendment, and it was negatived. REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE COLONIES. On the question that the House resolve itself into a Committee on the Reform Bill, Mr. HUME rose to move an instruction to the Com mittee, to take into consideration the fitness of allowing Members to he returned to Parliament from the colonies. He admitted that his proposition was novel ; but the fact was not to be disputed that British India, containing a population of eighty or ninety millions, and other great colonies, were not duly represented in the House of Commons. The question, however, was, in his view, well worthy consideration ; but he was willing to allow that such settlements as had legislative bodies of their own ought not to be allowed so many Members as colonies that were regulated solely by a Governor acting under the King in Council. He contended that much of the misgovernment of our possessions abroad bad arisen from their feelings and interests not having been adequately understood and explained in Parliament by those immediately concerned. He knew that some few representatives of colonial interests had hitherto found their way into Parliament ; but it was to be recollected that the Reform Bill would effectually exclude them, and hence the necessity for a separate prevision. lie by no means wished to add to the Members of the House ; but the Reform Bill now in progress through the Committee would lessen the number of the Members by thirty-two, and those he proposed to give the colonies would be con siderably less than that. Although there were many gentle men anxious to preserve the relative number of the English Members, yet he was sure that not one of them would desire to exclude the colonies from the representation. The manner in which he wished to distribute among the colonies their new representation was—to British India four Mem bers—to what he should call the Crown colonies, eight Members—to British America, three—to the West India Islands, four. The four representatives' of British India hipropos e d t o di str ib ute i n t hi s manner : . —Calcutta should return one Member, Madras one, Bombay one, and Sinca pore, Malacca, and Prince of Wales's Island, one. The Crown colonies were especially in need of the representa tion which he was desirous to give them, because they had riot even the advantage of a domestic legislature, but were wholly suhject, in taxation and legislation, to the Governor, whose only guides were the Orders in Council issued by the Government at home. To them he wished to give eight Members in the following distribution:—To Deme rara, Essequibo, and Berbiee, one Member, to the Cape of Good Hope one, to Ceylon one, to the Mauritius one, to Australia one, to Malta one, to Gibraltar one, and to New foundland (as we understood) one. To British North Ame rica be would give three Members, to Upper and Lower Canada each one Member, to Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward's Island, and the Bermudas, one Member. The four representatives to the West Indian islands he would distribute thus :—He would give one Member to Jamaica and the Babamas ; one to Barbadoes, St. Vincent's, a G n r d e n o: l e a t , a o p n d o Fn T i n o bag i ca, o Montserrat, one to lirn e h v l d and S s, St. Christopher, t Lu ei a Tortola, and Antigua. Although that number of colo nial representatives might appear at first to be v e ry l arge , yet he did not think it would he considered so, wh en compared with the maga;.tuee of the interests to be repre sented. In British North America there were 911,000 freemen. The amount of the exports from this country thither was annually two millions and a half sterling ; and I our imports from thence amounting to 1,100,000/. 'f he POLAND. Colonel EVANS, whose name hid been called over on the motion paper, but who did not happen at that moment to be in the House, having entered aince the order of the day for the Reform Committee had been read, now begged to be allowed to proceed with the motion of which he haul given notice. In order to do this, he was obliged to intro duce it in the form of an amendment to the motion that the House should go into Committee on the Reform Bill. lie observed, that at all times he had experienced the iadul pence of the House, and lie trusted that he should do so on the present occision. This was the second Session of Par liament that had occurred since a war had arisen in Po land, and yet scarcely a word had been tittered in Parlia ment upon the question of Poland up to this time.—(Hear, hear.) His object in introducing the matter was to call the particular attention of that House to the situation of the gallant people of that unfortunate country. He knew perfectly well that there were other indivi , luals better fitted than himself for the performance of such a duty, but as they had not undertaken it, he had resolved to attempt the task himself. He believed that this was a subject upon which, on all sides of the House, the same opinion existed. The particular point to which he wished to call the attention of the House was the observance of a strict neutrality by a State bordering upon Poland, and dividing it from the sea. In the first place, he should refer to some statements con tained in the public papers, from which it appeared that the traneports granted by the agency in this country had not met with that respect which they were entitled to from the Prussian authorities. Our merchant vessels bad encountered undue obstacles, and our merchandize had not b, en allowed the benefits of a free transfer. This had been made the subject of complaint, and the answer as stated in the public Papers, and as represented to have been given by the Minister of the Court of Berlin, was of a most extraordinary nature. That statement was, that the Prussim Cabinet declared that they were not in a state of neutrality with et spect to Poland, but merely in a state of inactivity, and that they heartmlY wished their good ally the Emperor of Russia might triumph. The reason given for this was, that if Russia did not triumph, there were some provinces that might he rescued from the Prussian dominions. Ile should now refer to sonic mat ters which, though perhaps known to some Hon. Mem bers of that House, were, probably, not known to the public at large, either bete or in other countries. These would prove on the part of the people of Poland a right to the observance of neutrality at least by the Prussian Government. Their rights were not only those of neu trality, but they were secured to them by the most sacred treaties ever entered into between nation and nation in an cient or mod, rn t i mes . Wi t h out a d vert i ng to t h e ori ginal rights of the Pules, he would rest upon their imme diate and inure indisputable rights, established by the Con gress of Vienna in 1815. In that year it was that the British Minister initiated the proposal for re-constructing the Polish kingdom, dismembered first in 1772, and sub sequently in 1795. The chief ground on which he had rested that re-construction was, that it was absolutely ne cessary as a barrier between Russia and the Western States of Europe, and for the preservation of that political equi librium called the balance of power. He (Colonel Evans) begged leave once for all to say, dust by political equili brium was never meant an equality of power, but an equa lity of rights between the lesser and the great, r States. In his views the English Minister was supported by the repueaentatives of Austria and France—the former declar ing that she was ready to make some sacrifices of posses stun for the sake of re-establishing the kingdom of Po land; and the latter, through Prince Talleyrind, express• ing the same sentiment. But not being prepared at that time to act vigorously for the accomplishment of the com mon object, the design WAS resisted strenuously by the Emperor Alexander, who would consent to no arrange ment that had not for its basis the annexation of the Duchy of Warsaw to Russia. He was willing that the throne of Poland should he reconstructed, provided only that it was made hereditary in his own family. At that period Russia was in military possession of Poland, and the other allies were not in a condition to wrest it from her. Nevertheles., at the pressing instance of England, France, and Austria, Russia consented to give a free C Ji stitution and the privileges of nationality to Poland, on condition that it should be annexed to Russia. Hence, at the Congress, the Duchy of Warsaw was declared to he " irrevocably bound to Russia by its Constitution." A charter was therefore drawn tip, which contained many provisions —among them, that Poland should have nation ality of power--that her army should not he required to serve Russia out of Europe—that open discussion in the Diet should he allowed—that the freedom of the Press should be established, and that taxes should he levied only by a vote of the Diet. These articles were virtually gua ranteed by the high contracting parties, but the House would not require him (Colonel Evans) to go into detail to show that, after the lapse of four or five years, each of them had been flagitiously violated. Public dis cussion was not permitted—the freedom of the Press had been annihilated—not a single budget of taxes had ever been laid before the Diet, and personal liberty was so pre carious, that the gaols were tilled with prisoners confined without even time show of legal process. He would not attempt to recapitulate the different acts which had at length driven a nobly suffering people to throw off the yoke and to appeal to arms. They had done so, hut not until after the most ample and cruel provocations; and they now, in the face of Europe, called for that protection for their unalienable rights which was secured to them at time Congress of Vienna. Undoubtedly, many exaggera tions haul gone abroad with regard to the policy of Russia, but all who had read her history fur the last ettritury must know, that she had engaged in no war that had not ter minated in an accession of power. In 1815 her Sove ' reign was at time summit of his greatness ; and when it, was hinted that the allies were unwilling that he should retain Poland, he merely replied that he had four hundred and eighty thousand men at his disposal, and that they should be put in motion before he would relinquish his hold upon the Duchy of Warsaw. Bonaparte in his ze nith had never more openly or insolently appealed to the irresistible argument of force ; and such had been the in fluence of Russian policy, that she had compelled the Aus trian Government to extinguish the last spark of liberty in' Italy, and had induced the Cabinet of the Tuileries to send its armies into Spain, to support the odious despotism of Ferdinand. Such was the power of this remote and semi barbarous empire. He wished to advert briefly to 'the speech of the Prime Minister of France, which arrived two days ago : he talked of the preservation of peace ; but how could that be preserved which did not exist ? Every body must allow that at the present moment peace did not exist in Europe. The war against the Poles was not only a war against the independence of nations, but an outrage against all time Powers who guaranteed the independence of Poland in 1815. Hence i t was e vident that the assertion of the Prime Minister of France was founded upon a fallacy. The same individual had also adverted to time distance of the scene of action, hut he seemed to forget that it had been traversed two or three times both by the armies of France and Russia.— On the whole, he thought that if the expressions of the Prime Minister of France were correctly reported, they were not by any means justifiable : they seemed to him (Colonel Evans) to contain an improper disclosure of the intentions of the Cabinet of Paris, highly detrimental to time interests of that country, and obviously put forward in defence of the Ministry, at the expense of the policy and interests of the country. Notwithstanding such speeches, the French people would recollect timat had not the Poles risen to defend their hearths and altars, the same sword, now reeking with their blood, would have been brandished over the frontiers of France. He did not rest the motion with which he should conclude, merely on the statements in the public papers, but as a military man it had appeared to him for the last two months that time re source+, of Russia were drawn entirely from Prussia, which professed to be a neutral State. The rear of the Russian army was upon the Prussian frontier ; its com munication with Russia had been cut off, and it must have obtained its supplies from Prussia, inasmuch as it could not have procured them elsewhere. After noticing what the Hon. Member termed the unwarrantable answer of the Prussian Minister to the Court of Fiance, ht moved to At class of coionies which he wished to be represente d the West India Islands—contained a population of 314, 6 , freemen ; and the next class contained upwards of 135. ° , i : 'regimen, including whit e s and m en o f co l o ur, be l l :. 690,000 slaves. The exports from this country to West India Islands amounted annually to five millioo g 6 : 1 a half sterling, and w e r ece i ve d f rom them imports to° value of nine millions. As to the importance of our P„ s , 2ssions in the East Indies, it was unnecessary for h' 01 :, go into any argum e nts or to s t a t e an y det ills. Their va' ° ' and importance would be admitted by all ; and it orq f maim d for hint to explain in whit manner he should tribute their representatives, and how those represenrriti'; st.ould be elected. The documents to which he could re 0 ,0 wg'ol-1710,1:ue.P:Inv: :: 8 : t t auhr o IPI a ° :: : v t e . . -ro t wei he wh:ch } i_ proposed , rpciProcal adv such a union Which he pro to the British It Would lead verruneht of 1 cour,, o d e Arl a t b i I l o e uglt tr a de , G i l a nr,aliti. c o ntained'V asgae neraul 11): tCi:::'t , l!r:t ')},tlretta4ti(s4,r4;oftier.unotrc'ut ton ne's elhisiant di think as the bests of his arrangement were, he was n' ll ' ke ' l i ft re i ' lih u a t u it e r t Y ili W a a s ,e i ildt perfectly accurate; hut the statements were, in ti h-;Portarn din aggregate, an appretimation to the truth. Btgille t "; It em o eilitiro V•s'ith Calcutta, he found in that ilia' itself only 1,2 0 0 ij'y 1 , 1 th e b ur ( ' ropeans, exclusive of the troops arid the servaiein 611 1, clause -tr. among. Company ; but there were in oder parts of Bengal,, th e , embrac finning Calcutta, and eubject to Cie same juri ditt''',; ki n . Bill not, 18,000 Europeans; and in that city there were more tb"t thei isters wo 20,000 Bt iti•h Ind airs—that is, natives born of Bri e °; t eou r l ,° ,l 'n ha parents, besides an Indian population of upward" if . 4 he Willi. 265,000 ; and taking in the population of a vellage ' l4 o ' hill Colutnitiel tans from the city nut more than a mile and a half, th e o , stn.. he wool( would be found a population of 23,000 British, is l e tt ' which le 625,000 natives. Now to all those he proposed to g'o' the:thing any only one representative ; but he thought that one would., had colonies sufficient to give the Horse necessary information 'Jr.; II ut r.'" 0.6, t subjects connected with the interests of the colony, ° r i dile it w as to ) pont out the way in which the best information could t sat r ents ki n d s obtained. To the population of Madras, amounting `, ee te rn _ a l arreng 462,000 persons, he proposed to give only one 310 111 c e eae r ,""l inter ( which, however, he thought would he su ffi cient Inc I I T he tr y, with representation of their interests. Bombay had, on It %,,i,il legislation groonds of population and commercial importance, ne ar ' e ed to giv equal claims to either of the other Presidencies. Stria pore, M dacca, and Prince of Wales's bland, taken as ° , h eeic ttd often constituency, had similar claims. To all that itnP er" ,„, ' tati ee l no door class of our colonies he proposed to give only four 3 16 "; th, t — ' n the B hers; and he should now proceed to explain to the 11° c •A ' to , t pot only e the manner in which he thought they might be elected' te,.,,.. se P'rate About four years aeo, that House had made the a'; tad ' h t 'treks, a tines of India eligible to sit as jurors, and had left it l r ept ad also a the Supreme Court in Calcutta to fix the qualificati th e j' e ntative s kN them that or '' a t'lt n i teher esr:leiiiiiri°l e:01 lous e' i3:-1131tdai °iodast In that way, therefore, there was a constituency rea d ; jt. et 'l. W ere affee prep seed. —( Hear.) He proposed to give the right , eis e ' ,C;( l- Irar, voting fur the representative of the Presidency to e v % and e "'r so 1 man who was qualified to sit upon a Jury. Althon l , th at t lolair a „i 1 the constituency thus obtained would not he very numer tl ed iost r : a diV181 ( et first, yet its cumbers would speedily be atigtnen t ~ re e k e etn 'n to when the natives should become aware of the ituporten' t o a Pro v i s i o of the right of voting for the Member. In Sincerer' Imrairte,Present t r Malacca, and Prince of Wales's Island there did o" t i Th t Y s '" pre e ent exist such a qualification ; but he (Mr. nu a ' e t , Al i ! " lat lois could see no di ffi culty in extending the same law re.1 4 , 0, c tr seai, L AI3OI. ing the qu dification of jurors and electors to those colon' i hir oih s long u 1 As to Upper India, he thought that the constitueneY:, diff, re er f or Ali Calcutta would sufficiently represent its interests. He P e n d "'U n it " to the proceeded to show, from statements ad...! population, fr t t hat I l '' hear of the commercial importance of the Crown colonies , t it ads 4 had stitM they had claims to thetepresentation on the same grou c h : to th: t re Preser and to the same extent, that he ask, d for Alernher , '., 'tel e : e °lonies a l3r p i l t a i : l e i ( I ) ; el c i o l i dered to b e lad e more than a military station, yet it s'' ,ltt e. 1 1 1 % Labou r asbz:iiei,iitiati•itin,:4%;:saeyesednitcffihtrele(uko:lu.etnysyl%a.,,tn,oi,s,dnl colonies, t f nifiii r e:n e ee e :Ai I ien ß elig:te r ti ieif,tteoieiiirs.:l:taet, each oi, s c,e u tfha l ton t jhu.eoi our trade t t s r , exc lu sive ade ~,ith s o f e t i . 0; hear, 1 4 ' r e p p r l na,,t , b ut t house]]ire fr e , a E It Was constituency. In Ceylon, for instance, Sir Alesn° i Notli It . e ., butch,l s t he aight te gulat e Johnston had extended to the natives of that Wend 0 oat a t e' , Co uld d i v: i .ie g iuri l ee t y t riiew o t f othli s sls i a t byl t e i :f n el g :7lrka ll et p pd o rot n uhypee J orn i tn i yi t a i at et insi I , qlauen a at t o,l i oi d tfih:ed. sure] the coot l io ia n l ie a s sk ti e w d rNikgthettlotetrylotetinngiea?nticutt,wgibvee another was sw t o fiats vo tao te t s f s i tt ) a r aks a e. P ju : 7l ; i ment try representative. An Hon. Gentleman just below P o d sent f ' It wt pressed any intention to give the franchise to any'lOuld "ontry who were qualified to sit on Juries, and he believed I t , itting that Hon. Aletelter must know that slaves were not so 0 3 ; t ''''lbi n i„ in t hat' fled. He thought it would have been a much fitter q ti ` e , lie e l toget tion, whether every roan in England was to have a v ' t : I Il'o u l d " I ?" total —( Hear.) For his own part, lie had often stated in t ; t t ° ent ry e at thl ( the 1l r b . l fives in l atdhnoseot , C s: Of thi4 rorn the house his opinion that every man who contribute.] to I . ^ thi s a ' ale payment of the public burthens, even by the constunlitt.; t il 'loni e t tite ct, i of taxable commodity, ought to have a voice in the ch c i , l o of those by whom time tuxes were imposed. That sve 'le edittaihtngereeeliavmteeli honest on ; but lie was not so unreasonable as to e * hi t t, had te d that pest that all other gentlemen in that House would cot tc l u ; ' tb u hiect of be a e a n in his opinion.—(Hear, heir.) The next class of c° ,l e .lB , count t ) h- b " riles was that in which he placed the Wert India Iniu tt : ,„'"ch th r e : ' e -tt He wou'd give one M t tither to Jamaica and the 1 3 ehs t r e L4()Yed, as- ° uJe containing together a population of 30,000 free Wl''bit. the IO W" : th t : and 37,000 free people of colour, in all 67,000. 13 3r "e e t -e f ortl ( o )ti s . n ? I "' does, &c., contained a population of 14,957 whites, 50 6 iii,:idtry,i',,deet`it:iants:i 15,000 frees people of colour. St. Vincent's, Grenada' it:rlotnhieei,:eiroualtdhoil Tobago, &c., contained together 17,000 whitee, and c , l', 1 1 . - egisl et ,', fo r it weeds of 13,000 free men of colour. Dominica population of 840 whites, and 3,600 free people of c'i l ' 4 : tilt , i t ll4 } t i ae h t ,e l , n i a ii n e t i The free population of Montserrat was 350 whites, people of colour; of St. Chrietoplier'e, 1,612 whites, 1, e "eje e t of that they people of colour; of Tortola, 4'77 whites, 1,286 e li0 0 ; t p eat portion o peofi "rtt e d of colour; and the free inhabitants of Antigua rtes 1, 44, t • r to p e c" h 1,980 whites, and 3,895 coloured. To this last eft s " ii. e l a o uch e e e 7 h e would add the island of Nevis; and to each of the i' lo d i :heir h atri e su ; clusters lie would give one Member. Now he thong e tt enseio n of ng er t ` i e t: )lio ‘7 3t e t r t : g up s o n an the Members fur those islands might be conveniently deco thus :—Where three or four islands were togethe r 0,1 4 appear to hit have one representative, the same constituency t : l iji ki lt as they had chose the Members of their domestic Legislature appoint delegates from each island, and the :Member tioliti:4ion hut that tie British House of Commons would be elected by . 0 , t a ; o e ' induce then majority of these delegates. In any case where the na i l, - te i' i ng to b e was her of votes in favour of two tiandWates should be a te a„,'e presumed then the election should be decided by the vote of th e , 4 5 - L ei , l turning island (as we understood the Hon. Gentletnoao He hoped that no di ffi culties would he thrown in the t t 'd of the plan which he had proposed for the formstioulta 1 4 ntty, as b ° g m ' l e: tit the constituency in those islands and in the East In d' olll ia 4 nres ,„ For both propositions he had precedents, as he had airt 4 i,i s e , i g t eat n ' to g n t ' t explained. As to tl.e British possessions in North Ain 4 ti o ,''' tr) g ean ; e Y et rice, if they were at all worthy of being retained, e' l a e 1 11 4 - W : hich, t h e sO n r , means ought to be adopted to place them on theca' - hl,,: t t ielly ~ friendly terms with the mother country.—(Hear, be ° ,) i: l 'er fo r c- h n c ee , Much of the bickering and heatt-btmenings which P t i, tr ta "th h ad '';`'' arisen within a few years past would have been prevea k t e v tit: thin, He if the colony hail been allowed the means of laying P' o f tr pr the g e cut grievances and complaints before the British Houl e ( "t ~e ' t e nte r d r n tool Commons, through their oven representative. If °lie htibotteuption tool had been in that House an individual connected with t o tied r y and _• I colony, and acquainted with their interests and want s ' id ri ve] of t i: e i , orru i would have been impossible that their grievances B", u d i vitl t , t e km } ' non ' have leen for so many years complaint(' of in vain, le ,ttieja4..°l,e.e.edi)teilln ehotild remain s ill unredressed. In stating the por O pt ' 4O 41, ett n - lion of those colonies, be was compelled to us e the ret t i lt li tt on kest r k . T. , which had been laid upon the table of that Holo ri r e littl e : . Ic te ; T T ( though he knew that they fell eery far short of the fiti-o. s i n li st wid e '` sent amount. Upper Canada had 265,000 inhalii ta- 0 '1 0f,,,, fo e M . a . , 11( and Lower Canada more than 188,000. New Br u t u r d' , i 'llt : t abe ese..; tu , d wick, Nova Scotia, St. Edwards, and Bermuda, contoo 10 ,0 ` .°4 1in ere . e ntle l together, a population of more titan 300,000. It noci ° fr ti e% f ° ° ton s w remained for him to say in what manner the Memberi# , tem a t' de o,,,, (.01 I North Atnerira should be elected ? Ile thought, thee , t ie ' ler t , t, ted, i t " i ' the plan which he had proposed for the West India n r , i , 'lt f or " . for m id W a lat.de, having domestic legislatures, would be equally a l l e le , 1 I.o rt l i v4 td th e di cattle for the same reason • to the North American ;el tl tit th ALT H r i nies. But he might still be asked how were the Alt 110 4 1 lite!, d etail , when so chosen, to find their way to that House.---( i thr ee t eleoLtnlier fo ol ri hear, and laughter.) Now, to that question he had we' el i ti ld t ,l 4 the 0 : answers : in other words he had three strings to hi s b° 0' 0 . e te'tild 'l. " he int (A laugh.) There were three ways in which those we t 41 ( . 44 not %vot 1 hers might be sent there. They might he elected f° t , h ert ' t tee ag4i n"t its . t years, and hold their seats for that term, whethe r . l e , e k of 4 Pli ti the l ' : ' wets one or two di ff erent Parliaments in the nican t111 :00 1 brim(' prof Li, that is, time Colonial Members appointed to this Parh a r / I k t . net h tt `'Old j ot se should hold their seats in the next without a re-elec ti° ail' Ca s tlk itte ag ' (Laughter.) His second proposal was, that should a fot kit eV: solution take place before the expiration of the te t t e l : , be k h t th eit 't or gh e e c which a colonist Member had been originally ele c e ke' em ott '' 'hffi itt 'Parta n should hold his place in the next Parliament until the 0 ~ , obi t ,„ ~ c hear, hear.) He (Mr. Hume) was ready to a droit t 7 t est et ti ott "Ohi insel i f would not be possible to view so important a su bj ect 0 00 , e , ' g Le ti ° ti' te t t , • in 'Nest tion of a successor.—(Much laughter, and cries of,ins't il i ih ni te t i t t tn nto Ci te etl i z: which he was endeavouring to bring before the 1 44 ' t o it tle,°"° so eOi without great difference of opinion, if Hon. Oe n t he e te,, ' th 4 tO th e hi would not give their attention to that subject. I° o ft ] th e th: t a te • the pr . lion. Gentlemen below him (pointing to the leader s ° so b .4 1 t r ) h e ' 4 ht th e 1 Opposition) who laughed paid no attention at all ; ree d ti t 4 t he m Co ked h to g therefore, the Right Hon. Gentleman (the late Se c k() , 44)44 of to the Admiralty) might laugh. !Ile' th4hot i b l in ost h os Mr. CRUDER —lndeed, I did'nt laugh at all."'''' it th ,k go , t,Ot th e bed pered laughter.) w o . ; te s eh e uld b e Mr. HUME was well aware that many Hum I t c ol he a t l ee s° to uch around him, possessing intimate local knowledg e ',,,, Is el lde t i -- 'iliti t h e point out errors iii his plan, and could suggest " tl ., } o pi 3 ' le ('elite 6 t ° Vs, pre nients. He had stated two modes in which ( Le on' tiezttaia tit tinjert: Members might be elected ; and as they seemed t° : si eel e i titte ar l e le ousi sidered by the House to be objectionable, he vc°" iti j e cn e : t ele ts J . le t liece., a third mode. Let there be writs issued for the e wo s th,:ie ptt Ale ut of new representatives for the colonies, in the NO' Ge r ' t t /it ; 1 1 'No tt 4 l ' i ttati ve fur other Members, as the close of each Perlianie r ' t ' '0 th e "q o 'll of l 'ept. !•ces ' ri , 1, l'e th e 'e teinly, they would nut he able to take their p 4 ... c ot ~ 1 % i , th e i . e N o new Par liament for some months. But then the" 0 F re,; 1 ),, l i,to il,t goo, e l ' i tuents would tie in tio worse state than they we re Jod i 'II, he ad l'h r e tub Islands weuld arrive in six months, and those fro sent.—(Bear, hear.) The Members from time W o e t t l y iti-J t i' ..CI: Ili la