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re . AV't. Intwri ; \i-Y4=qh 44 - . • NNltlrliift'/ .vr.!.4*. ~,,,., , 1 „ . _,...v - • 0 , fsgr ,2 ~A_? \o : .,,, ~&..___ ,6t t k ,---___ . s , 441 r• * ~ f .f.:. •-'•-,,;', . , e /e Z.' .' •-) c .f./ 7 -- /ri / / . .../2 _ 1 ,, , 42.....et*# „6 1 ii . "4 l &\" \ •• • , -. , ,-. : • , , I ~ r r.~ 7 •/( a-&5-77-- NT r 7kll;rß 10,240. ROYAL ACADEMY, SOMERSET MAU; LAST WEEK. N9TICE is hereby giver!, that the. EXIII (2.—,:BITIDN of the ROYAL ACADEMY will FINALLY if`4oc,‘,l4.E on SATURDAY NEXT, th e 9111 Instant, at Scren li precisely. Adrui,ssion (from Eight o'Clook till Srven), Catalogne, HENRY HOWARD, ILA. S.c. 12 th onlP4,,,hibitor - s are 'requ,estor ed Wednen to se sday , d for the their l3th resp lnstant.ective-Wm ks • GLOBE INSURANCE, 1).,,AL14.111AL14 AND CORNHILI., LONDON, FOR FIRE A.ND LIFE INSURANCE, AND ANNUITIES. A LE ' •Petsons whose Insurances with this eft. oropanotice,vtbheactemdue at Midsummer next, are requested to take N Reyeipts for the Renewal thereof are now for o l 4 h Y t , delivery at the Company's Offices, and in the Hands repective Agents in the Country. Insurances due at ummer must • • Thal; • - e paid on or before the . 9t , h of . J . uly apital-of this Coin any is One Million Sterlu„ atch 'S 3 ueen all paid - up an is invested in Real or Government ecurities. 20th- JOHN CHARLES I)ENHAM, Secretary. June, 1825. Ir E IRGENER.AI, STEAM NAVIGATION COMPAY'S PACKETS will start from off the Cus ,°4l-house or the Tower, for CALAIS, daily (Sundays ex ilLted) ; DUNKIRK, every Thursday; OSTEND, every s ttirel-nesday and Saturday; HAM BURGH, ev . ery . other,f.- t '-'4,y; YARMOUTH, every Thursday Morning RAMS- 4 4 :!- . E and BROADSTA IRS, every Tuesday, ednesday, bto` lrs daY, ' and Saturday, at 8 o'clock; NEWHAVEN - to l'n' a t i3 PE every Tuesday and Saturday, calling at BRIGII . - e A ‘T PIER When the weather permits; RA AISGATE to ergol, every Friday ; and RAMSGATE monday. St ar t t he c onven i ence an d safety o f the - Public the tim e o f th e ,Ini; is regulated to secure the entrance.ol the Packets into b g arbours on arrval. , s ull I nformation i may be had at the A ,, ents viz.—Mr. d und ,ers Calai s ; M r. Ch apman , Di e pp e ; M r . S a l omez, Al e. '; Mr. Crowe, Ostend ; Mr. Delival, Hamburgh ; Paris; Messrs. Laws and Son, Var. ?Cut , s lessrs. Squire and Edwards, Norwich ; Mr. Carter, leg.ate; Mr. Black, Lucumbe's Library, Brighton ; Re4ortut, Itamsgate; Bull and Msloth Western Coach-office,4o, hl circus, Piccadilly ; Sharpus, 13. Cockspqr-street , dleton, 359, Exeter 'Change, Strand ,Steven's Hotel, vioen,,d-Street ; -Brown's, Park-street, Oxford-street ; Elvey, 63, le Street, corner of Bouverie-street ; Myers, St. 'Peter's o Al .. .- Patio° l 2till ; at the Custom House Quay ; and at the C m " uttice, 24, Crotched Friars. - . . CHAS. .BESSELL, Secretary. *SRI CONTRACTOR, sincerely thanks at,i t he Public f or their distinguished - favours, and regr e ts I Ntl e, this p ro b a bl y is the last Scheme he shall have the ttej contract for, Parliament having resolved to abolish , 17.1 f) t i,,' 1 to ever ! Besides the Prizes in the present Scheme, 4 'oCa t ing to TWO HUNDRED and FOUR THOUSAND IiUNDRED and FORTY-TWO POUNDS, in IttiNk Abney, BISH ADDS SIXTY-FOUR PIPES of v•;, G RATIS !—Therefore independently of the • FOUR GRAND ' PRIZES OF £21,030 £21,025 Nv... L 21, £2l 050 025 • ' u nl £antother Capitals,: and NO , BLANKS ! lac Fl t ALI, IN ONE DAY ! th4Al', 15th THTS MONTH, (JULY). v ith ough tat iii.era of the Four Prizes of £lOOO Guineas, whe- Pr i a. p 4 t ISH. 'S, or any other licensed Lottery Office, best„ o ,0 Sixteen Pipes of W me, and for Shares in e t Ltite s-iiatellat,a Sixteenth will have One Pipe of Wine f° ,, ° " 11 , 11 - li t° o e , l t,:t o : 4 , ‘ , l°(}o .,„, Guineas. The Wine to be chosen I_., i , !e a t e o. ' tt - e Tters_tii' en ` l v ine Merchant in the Kingdom, by the y s JBO 4 Tuesday, 31st May, BISH Shared and 6 44 G Sold £30,000 - in 6 Shares. £lO,OOO in 9 Shares. 4 y whichl4.,nd Seven other Capitals. aZ. riety .o r re distributed all over the United Kingdom. ‘ tcTiDit , N : ll , l , l bers are now on Sale by BISH, CON gents by his ,sCornhill, and 9, Charing-Cross, London ; Eent throughout the Kingdom. ►. TAINs ti ro • "It \in of RT ED PORT' WINE, Tea, Lae Y_ rem oved and every V egetable Matter, are en tA,,l, ar i d F ABLE LINEN, C o ttons, Musliss, Nth"' aLEAcm,r,.cle. of Dress, by HUDSON'S CHENII (4OI4% fr om LIQUID: it also removes the above n...,';:ut,e5 Buff Dresses, without injuring the . Buff cit,vvt:s all kind of discoloured Linen to its . ori- pa._ p sl hit heist litlioUt injury to the trxture of the Cloth. -), d So Sol W. B. HUDSON, Chemist, 27, Hay ic! Londo n • S o l ist s, a _, : d also by the principal Perfumers, t s.th )o. , "u Medicine Venders, throughout the United , tn. homes at 55., 35., and 2s. each. , . INt Pl -t-ID l'..X MAC!' OF SARSAPARILLA. " ‘i thiS Pr I"` are concentrated all ' t ' lle ; IM tt,"edieioal Proncirties of the Sarsaparilla Root, even to Pir ti .g Satupttion of the Nlenstrunn► with which it is pre hr ‘ . r p,",',"'' PN"ril therefore, wh from various causes, Ex 1 t ly. '''''''C'e trl!'it i ' :. .1 • o ' r with whom it would oit'r.t.t"'Y itlip,ssilife. to.ne p i r P e n n ' a i r n t i • et t!i t t;' l)ecoct ion, the Fluid of 0", Y,hi.ow t,osct•Sscs ii,,,-,,h,..mt„,,., of portability, and 111 441?P c i rig in any climate, will adraota>z►.s found a most desirable Th ''' l. l.4 P l ".YiN.: this runcii- esteemed Medicine. Ile t, '-'l"taq's iii 'which it has am-et! most beneficial lir, 1 ' ) ?e uf the Sl.iti. such as S ' cor i butie Affections, Eop ted sileases, Secondary SV,lptoms &c. arising f':''m a n d I,s li*tn. I ', t ate of the S ) • `ttin :it large. It is take►► in VS attr, sjlri'N',, it of the :aw e st rength as the Decoction. Ch Th „ i 'l, t 4 "l ,, l _ L3 tlvs, at 4s. rid:, 7s. ed., and 20s-. by Butler, Cu d , - '`rfet 'l . :,aPsidt, St. Pail's Savory and C 0 .64, New 13i i m - Ill ' ' i.i. e ) .:" f Oo ; am.l hy the principal Druegists throng tout of ,: 4 i 471 Kingdo. .- 1 1 ) i 4 1) .. ar: 0 5)43 niay he had + 11 71T.: it's CITRATE!) KAI.I, a '''t P,, / - "n? for makine Saff4ie pran g hts, recommended by 414 s 4" i °" for its co nseni&ice . iind Certainty. In Bottle!' s, -, 4F.. (51 , , f ..., , t Ask f 4c .)" ' 3"(1 • • 'lla " " °'. Itutier's Fluid EStract of Sariaport - 44f tfCl6"--.1: """s'------ ---- , f ,.••. ',I Elt.n . -- Tl ---7-7.— te t %venty-seco 24th of June, th e 17 etersfield ding Society being on the , embled at 44,7414er5, according to their annual c nd anoi versa ry custom assembled hikrer Y➢hour, and walked in procession, lier,, °s tirs, to church headed by some of honorary cellent preceded file y tli % 0 ' and the Rev-lolin Whicher, who erse.— .Itict:,,rSe f roth the 12th chapMr of Romans and Bit :2 ti, V:lte service they walked in the same order of procession y Nl"e qc e s 4tiltlng Cocks Inn, whe a dinner was proli luowc_ %in, and serve I ' good style by Mrs. Pears vend; lh e 11 rook of I ( 'IP in 't h was remo. 1 , 3„_; reiidZ, _ s t As Soon as report of the state of tle '''etY., wfiljtr. ''"P fears) read , - delivered anhea mbearnnd_ .]tier,bi re i gave universal s atisfaction, thefunds 1 001 T" ' 4 3 , Iva Y.angrnented amounting now to nearly -, toast, • kotg, sls)as_sed in the most convivial manner ; the into :I,glae!, accompanied with music, filled up the d the most tar ry t`b":_tternoon. The whole was conducted eamutaleie. l le Cho and the part parated at early hour, . 4 • t/ delighted with the day's pleasure. I'l l . held on 111:PN.% t' 4:nual IVleetin4 of the Portsmouth and i(1e; !*l.li-r'Y a d Philosophical Institution, was ‘, ,retttafoithe-Ip'nrgoe_l_aa,t.ll, *ben 1 pleasing and gratifying Ile kio ,Y. 4111 ,iinga of the past session was read by the Se t, soh n . es Ciill, Eq, as President; Dr. John Porter, 4,4',,,,_Tret:tirerha'.ll,,E. sq., V.ice_.Pres._idents • Thomas Heather, kator,,,trre, ccr , ii Ir . :Julian Slight, Secretary ; Reverend ISl r s l 1114._ r'esPonding Secretary ; Mr. Fricker, a Cu and and IlenryiP ; AIL Lane, Curator of Apparatus • elected, eNuia Co/1,1.4410c 'Surgeon, Librarian ; were for the At m 11R sessiori e e of Management duly chosen ,IttittitYu'rast intlie4W. • Woodhouse, Esq. Lieut.-Col. Ilja r d a r tn as l .1;e 4/ lan, wer an 4 •T• S. iltillar, Esq. A.L.S. &c. id 1 .c.l e etin g , elected honorary Members.—The thanks l o l f thjl. (Coriet ''te voted With•• acclamation to James , Powefor', the VllT'irlleenlanlealle Custopts at this port) th hairman, es of tht __lnpartial manner in thewh e e conducted ,reti we. • WEDNESDAY EVENING, JULY 6, 18252 given, by Commission, to various bills, (for which see the Lords' report.) After the SPEAKER had returned, and announced the attend ance of this House in the usual form, A person from the office of the dief Secretary for Ireland gave in copies, signed by the Lord Chancellor of Ireland, of original certificates in the office of the Accountant-Oeneral of the Irish Chancery, in the case of Francis Dwyer, Esq., as ordered. PARLIAAIENr, HOUSE OF LORDS, TUESDAY, Jury 5. The LORD CHANCELLOR, the Earl Of SHAFTESBURY. .and Lord REDESDALE, sat as Commissioners, and notified the Royal assent to the King's Bench Regulation Bill, the Common Pleas Regulation Bill, the Judges' Salaries Bill, the India Judges' Salaries Bill, the Offenders' Transportation Bill, the Bishop of Jamaica and Barbadoes Salary Bill, -the Registry of Vessels Bill, the Smuggling Prevemion Bill, the Writs of .Error Bill, the Scorch Shooting and Stabbing Bill, the Uni versity Police Bill, and, several other Bills. The Earl of /IA RROWB Y laid on the table the Report of the Committee appointed to inquire into the means of accom modation for the House, which, on his motion, was ordered to be printed. UNITARLINS. The Marquis of LANSDOWN rose to present a petitiOn most respectably signed, praying that their Lordships would institute an inquiry into the state-of - the law relating to Uni tarians. He expressed- his astonishment that it should still be wished to exclude the petitioners from the benefite of the con stitution, without there being on record any case in which their competence to discharge the duties of good subjects could be questioned ; and the more so, as the objection to them was founded on inferences drawn from scattered jadgments and the words of old Acts' of •Parliament, without any proof that the opinions of those persons were of a nature to sanction such ex. 'elusion—without its being even pretended that they did not believe in those principles which formed the foundation of all morality—namely,.the belief in the future state and the system of rewards and punishments. It was scarcely credible that while it was not pretended that the petitioners held any opinion incon sistent with the safety of the state, they should now, several years after an Act of Parliament had been passed for their protection, be wild that they were still liable to the penalties which it was the'object of that statute to repeal. Yet the Lord Chancellor had expressed a doubt whether those persons for the relief of whom the statute was passed were now protected by it. Deubes such as he had described having been entertained, the Unitarians now approached their Lordships with a petition, to which not only every indulgence was due, but to which their Lierdthips were bound to devote the most serious attention.—. They prayed that they might be informed what their situation really was, that they might know on what conditions they owed allegiance as subjects of the realm. They requested to know whether their interests were not to be protected, and their safety ensured, in the same manner as if they' were members of any other religion. If he were asked whether he would in another session originate any Bill to remove the doubts to which he had alluded, he should say, th a t l oo ki ng to t h e necess i ty o f rel i ev i ng those persons from the practical grievances of which they had to complain, and more particularly from those they experienced under the Marriage Act, and to the necessity also of relieving the Church of England from a disagreeable • duty—looking, likewise, to the disposition of Parliament, if not to pass a !form the same form as the-Bill of the present session, yet one which might accomplish the same object, he should be disposed on the part of the petitioners to accept the passing-of such an act as an 'assurance of the removal of those doubts : but the petitioners s ought not to be left under the obscure cloud which now hung over them, .and which he , hoped next session w o u ld b e com pletely removed. The LORD CHANCELLOR made a few observations, which were not altogether audible.' He - said; that if the law turned out as it was supposed 'to be, he would then rather pass a law for the benefit of those persons than otherwise. 'When the question of what the law was came to be regularly discussed, he would state the grounds of his opinion respecting it. Lord HOLLAND observed, that the Noble and Learned Lord seemed to have forgotten that he had already twice spoken upon this subject in the course - of the present session:` - He would not venture .to say that the - Noble and Learned Lord stated what the law was, but he did state that it was such as ought to induce the House to pease before they paiied an Act for the relief of the Unitarians on the subject of marriage. The peti tioners had taken the only manly course which' they could adopt; and if the Noble and Learned 'Lord:had followed the same example when he had doubts, he would have stated what really was the law, and not left it to be und ers tOOd t h at he st ill believed them liable to be punished under tee - eonimon law.— This was a subject which called for inquiry, as it involved the interests of that great portion of the ceinmunity which consist ed of dissenters ; for the doubts thrown out did - not affect the Unitarians alone, nor even other persienfi'who might impugn the doctrines of the Trinity, but every dei&iiition of persons who did not belong to the established church. It appeared from the opinion of Lord Chief Justke Foster and Lord Mansfield—an opinion to which 'Blackstone also seemed to assent—that the whole dissenting body in this country existed by sufferance—Abet they were all liable to be indicted-411k ' their institutions, for the purposes of charity or education, all stood on a sandy foundation, and might be swept away by the law. However e on the'late discussion of the Catholi c Question, those who approved most of this interpretation of the law, were in the habit of using 'many kind expressions towards , the Dissenters. These persons were then called " our Pr 0...! testant Brethren," in the same way as Hotspur had been called s " Gentle Harty Percy 'and kind cousin." He durst not go so far, and perhaps the petitioners would not, as to' say, 0, the devil take such cozeners." But th e s pi r it of liminess with which our Protestant brethren, the Dis senters, were to be treated, was plainly shown a few days • after, when - a.pait of that body came forward to ask of Parliament a small 'boon, which many of' the dignitaries of the church, to. their honour; declared was not merely a boon to the petitioners., but 'to the clergY of the Establishment' also. As soon as the bill came to be discussed, up jumped a - person and maul, "Who are you ? I have found out an Act of Par liament by which you are punishable —an Act which I own is a disgrace to the Statute-book, but which proclaims you to be guilty of a deteStable Crime." This supposed application of - t the laW to Unitarians was founded on the maxim, let, that I Christianity is part and parcel Of the law of England, and, I next, that to deny the Trinity is to deny Christianity. On the first of these points lie should say little, for it. formed no part I of the present question ; but as his attention had been drawn to it during these debates; he could not help being surprised to find upon what slender grounds it was founded. But what.i was the meaning of this maxim ? If Lord Rayniond and Mr. Justice Holt said that Christianity was part and parcel of the law of the land, and if Lord Mansfield said, in language more precise, that revealed religion was not to be reviled, and that to revile it was punishable, it followed that if these phrases were legal terms, they must have a legal meaning at tached to them. 'Was it the Holy Scriptures which constituted the Christianity which was said to 'he part and parcel of the law ? If so, them no persons who built their faith on those I Scriptures co u ld b e sa il to deny Christianity. But per, haps the Christianity meant was that which' existed at the time to which the origin of this law maxim referred. If so, their Lordships were placed inn curious dilemma, for they ought now to believe in that transubstantiation -which every person wax called upon to abjure before he could sit in that House. He wished the House and the public 'to see the conse quences of extending the application of this maxim. He remined their Lordships of the important decisiorein the remarkable case I of Mr. Evans, who being fined for not accepting an office, re fused to nay the fine on the ground that he, in taking office, would be requiretlact conform to the Church of England, which as a Dissenter, he would not do. He was answered that his very non-conformity was itself a crime, and therefore could afford no ground for his not paying the fine. After the cause had gone through the Courts; below, it Caine by appeal before their Lordships, and the House decided that Mr. Evans was not obliged to pay the fine. The ground of this decision was, that the. Toleration Act gave a right of protection io all Pis senters. Since the passing of the late Act relative to Unitarians, ' those persons stood in the same situation as all other Protestant Dissenters, and if the Toleration • Act did not protect them, it afforded not security to any members of any sect whatever. The Loan CHANCELLOR said, - on the occasions alluded to h e h a d given no opinion of his own on the subject of the law as it applied to the Unitarians. He had merely stated what had actually passed in the Courts of Law* hi Westminster-hall. Mr. SF RING RecE and others from the House of Commons brought the Irish Church -rates Bill, the 'Apothecaries Bill, the Scotch Copartnership Bill, the Combination Laws' Amend ment Bill, and the Marine Insurance Bill, with their Lord ships' Amendments agreed to. Adjourned at half -past seven o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Immediately after the opening of the gallery, th e fr ous2 was summoned by the t'sher of the Black Rod to attend at the bar of the House of - Peers, to hear the Royal Amu ; . - MR. GOUELAY. Sir R. FERGUSSON presented a petition from Rumford, in the county of Wilts, setting forth that the petitioners had heard that Mr. Gourley was at present confined in, the House of Correction, on the oath of_two medic a l me n a s to their be lief of his insanity ; the petitioners concluded by declaring that they considered him to be very rational, and by praying the House to direct an inquiry to be made into his case. BARBADOES, &c. • Mr. CANNING appeared "if the Jiat, ahil' Wafted the House that his Majesty had graciously ecceived its several Ad dresses, upon the Report of the Commissioner s of Ed u cation in Ireland, respecting the Chapel of Barbadoes, &c. . CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. Mr. RICHARD MARTIN presented a petition from the inhahitants,of South •Lambeth, praying that the provisions of the Act for preventing cruelty to animals might be extended to other animalsbesides those at present included in the wording of that Act. The Hon. Gent. also gave notice, that after what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Knaresborough on a former night, he should not deem it proper to press another Bill that he had lately broUght in ;because he now understood, that any such modification of the law as that Bill intended was un necessary ; seeing that the penalty of transportation was already affixed to the wanton ci►cting or mutilation or maiming of the animals, which his Bill would have expressly regarded. THE SLAVE TRADE. Mr. LITTLETON presented a petition, signed by 2,000 females residingia the town and neighbourhood of Birming ham, against negro slavery. They prayed, that after a certain day, to be named by,. Parliament, all , children born of negro slaves might be born free; and that as most probably a large fund would berequired for carrying such a plan into effect, Par liament should sanction the railing of large contributions in va rious parts of the country for that purpose. DECCAN PR IZE-M ONE Y. Mr. ABERCROMEY rose to present a petition from Sir Evan MacGregor, one of .his Majesty's Aid-de-camps, a very gallant and distinguished officer, who was one of the captors entitled to share in the distribution of the Deccan prize-money. _The petitioner was Deputy-Adjutant-General of the King's troops in.-the East•lndies; and in that capacity attached to the army commanded by Sir Thomas Hislop. He was also a Member of a Prizetommittee assembled at the head-quarters of that. Lieutenant-General in the field, and of another , Prize Committee, subsequently appointed at Madras.— ' Hehad therefore such opportunity of acquiring informatiotrre specting the booty as enabled him to assist in preparing the statements of the general claims of the army of the Deccan, :which were submitted to counsel for their sanction, prior to their delivery to the trustees. These circumstances and his having had an authority by' power of attorney to act for Sir Thomas Hislop while he was absent on the continent, necessa rily occasioned frequent intercourse between ' hint (Sir V.van MacGregor), the Counsel and Law Agent,' and the Prize Agent far the army of the Deccan. Sir E. MacGregor stated, that he had observed, by. the proceedings of the House, that Sir .John Malcolm and three other Officers had ptcsented a petition, stating,--" That upon the wisdom and justice of the trustees they (the petitioners) chiefly relied for Ilia recovery of all that could be obtained of this booty, for its continued preservation front needless and4:4pensive litigation, and for the earliest practicable distribution of the prize, aecording to the usages of the service and the conditions of his'lltijesty's grant." Upon this extraordinary passage, 15i. .E. MacGregor re marked, . in his petition, that he could not-ienagine that Sir John Malcolm and the other petitioners meant to com plain of the expenses incident to the' litigation before the Lords of the Treasury, in which, by the exertions of the law advisers of the army of the Deccan, the claims of that army were successfully established, in opposition to those of the grand army and the East India Company ; but as the neces sity of preservation implied an apprehension or some impend ing danger, he inferred that Sir John Illalcolin and the other petitioners were influenced by fears of needless and expenSive litigation having been contemplated by the counsel or - law agent, since the claims of the army were thus established ; and he could not but observe, ,that any ,snelt .apprehension was di rectly opposed to the, sentiments expressed in a letter on this subject to .the Trustees, on the 22d of January last, by Sir Thomas. Hislop,. who had ample means of estimating the con duct of the counsel and agents, and who had the greatest inte rest in deprecating needless and expensive litigation. In that letter Sir T. Hislop had done justice to those learned and honour able individuals to whom the the interests of the Army of the Deccan had been intrusted. He (Si r T. Hi s l op ) o b serve d, that he must do them the justice to state, that they had, in every dis cussion upon the subject, deprecated in the strongest terms any resort to legal proceedings, it' they could be avoided ; and that all aheir advice had been dictated by that feeling. " I may " add, (the Lieutenant-General proceeded to say), that the " apprehension that the Law-Officers of the Crown had al " laded to legal proceedings, and had recommended that a " question upon which they entertained some . doubtg should be " included in those proceedings, was a principal inducement to " the earnest request, which was some time ago made to your " Grace and Mr. Arbuthnot, for a communication - of their " opinion, in the belief, that the Legal Advisers of the Army " might suggest some course which would prevent litigation.' " At the same.tune, I may here observe that they have always " stated to me, that any such proceedings would necessarily ' " (whatever was the final result and decision on the subject of " contest) postpone the realizing the booty, for distribution to so "distant and indefinite a period, as to destroy all the benefit which " the Army justly expects to receive; and they were accordingly, " if an opportunity had been afforded, prepared to suggest a " mode ofproceeding, which would have put all disputed ques ".tions in a train for speedy decision without recourse to law." • In these sentiments, Sir Evan 'Macgregor stated that he most fully concurred; and he further begged to assure the 'House, that in the course of his repeated interviews with the Counsel, Law Agent, and Prize Agent, so far from witnessing an in •clination to incur 'needless and expensive litigation, he never heard of' any design to litigate at all; but, on the eon trary,le had remarked the most anxious disposition and de-- sire on the part of the Counsel to prevent litigation ; and on the part of the Law Agent to avoid every expence which was not' absolutely requisite to support the, interest of the captors..— In conclusion, the petitioner stated, that it was - extremely dis agreeable for hint to differ with his brother officers ; but he could not neglect this opportunity of paying the humble tribute of his approbation to the counsel and agents who conducted the cause of the Army of the Deccan. This petition e he ( Mr, A bercrom by ) considered well deserving of the attention of the Ilouse. The: petitioner had taken the step of presenting himself before the House voluntarily and unsolicited, and had thus Come forward, like an honest and an honourable man, to express his opinion; and by so doing to do an act of justice towards individuals against whom calumnious, unjust, and unfounded aspersions had been thrown out. Now it was to be observed, that in the petition of Sir John Malcolm and the three other Officers, there was a distinct attempt to create an inipres sion, that On the p art o f t h e L aw Agent and the other legal. persons employed on behalf of the claimants, it had been en deavoured to raise up an unnecessary litigation in this business. __(Hear, hear !)—Now, in making that imputation, the parties had.named no individual whomsoever.—(llear !)—lt was most singular that they should not have done so ; and it was but na tural for the petitioner to say as he did let them only fix upon the name of whomsoever they meant, and the parties would doubtless be ready, when called upon, to meet their charge. But he (Mr. Abercromby) must remember, that the parties t o the former petition came forward to vindicate the Duke of Wel lington from the blame which he was thought to have subject.: e a himself to in this affair. They talked of the great services; w hi c h the, Duke had rendered in war time to the country ; as if any one in that House desired to dispute theme Hut did it fol.: low, however great those Military services might be, that 'the civil conduct of the Duke must be equally meritorious,- or free r fr e o ti m lly b t l o am c e ledi t p he id D ti ult y e , 's in pro fa i c: . e a t e s li , l , proceedings any tiring which went s ( Hear !)—No ; they stated not one word . t o that effect. liet them state what it was, on, the other hand, that . they Mea n t • by: the passage referred to; it truth, air iuf+irivatimr against the lawyers which was quite clear, and which 'no Parties in this case had any right to make. It *as 'really difficult to imagine how it could be supposed that such a statement wbuld not be immediately ,answered by counsel. He said by counsel, because Mr. AtcheSon had acted with the adviCe of counsel in this business, and had never the imputation, however, was meant to apply . . claimants and their agenta, he would only state that he knew the latter to be all of them men of honour;. and any such case as this that was insinuated ought consequently to be definitively stated and made known. If the charge was intended against Mr. Atcheson in particular, the parties preferring it were also bound to define and substantiate it. What would be the im pression of any indifferent person on reading the petition of Sir John Malcolm and the other three officers but this—that they meant to say, wwe rely confidently on eve's , thing which h a s been done by the Duke of 'Wellington and Mr. Arbuthnot ; but otherwise we think that the lawyers would have drawn us into a needless and most expensive litigation ?" Believing this to be the petition of an honest and conscientious man, acting merely on the desire to make good the motives of his own con duct and that of the legal advisers of the captors generally, he (Mr. Abercromby) moved to bring up the petition. Colonel LUSH INGTON, on behalf of the Gallant Gentle men who were the petitioners on a former evening to this !douse, begged leave to disclaim any imputation, us. oa_their part, upon Mr. Ateheson, the professional gentleman who had been alluded to. The object of those petitioners. was simply this--to express their great confidence in the management of the Duke of Wellington. Really, if any persons had a right to complain in this business of calumny and misrepresentation, they must be the Duke of Wellington and Alr.. Arbuthnot, after the zeal which they had evinced in the discharge of their trusteeship; and particularly the former, considering all the malevolent aspersions that had been published against him in this matter, and the assertion that had been hazarded—[most er roneously, he could assure the Hon. and Learned Gentlemarl that his Grace's appointment in this case was not agreeable to the army in question . • Sir 11 - ENAY HARDINGE' could not help thinking that it was quite competent to the gallant officers whose petition was presented on a former evening, to express themselves in the way they had done. He perfectly agreed with the Hon.-and Gallant Officer . who had just sat „down, that the Duke of Wel liegton and Mr.Arbuthnot had the greatest reason to complain of aspertion and misrepresentation in this business. As to the disposition to go to law imputed to some of the parties concerned, he (Sir H. Hardinge) thought it might be traced in these very proceedings; some of them having desired powers of attorney to be prepared and sent over for the receipt of prize.—: Irr page 90 of the infamous and calumnious pamphlet which he (Sir Henry Hardinge) held in his hand, he observed a letter from Sir' Thomas Hislop, requesting the trustees to authorize General Sir Lionel Smith, by power of attorney, to prosecute, sui.s for the recovery of the Peishwah's property. Now, did not this indicate a disposition to promote litigation, else why ask for such an authority? Then,' others have gone so far as to Claim that there should be included in the prize I fund, the value of the materials of a palace which the Dec , can army had destroyed ; and others had - even gone 41e length of proposing to be allowed to claim compensation in the year 1832, at the expiration of the Hon. Company's Char ter, for the territories of a Rajah whom they had captured and dispossessed. There seemed to be an, extraordinary degree of sensitiveness and 'delicacy on the part of: the Honourable and Learned Gentleman opposite, to any thing amounting to an' imputation on the lawyers. He had too many nearconnexions in the profession of the law to have indulged, for one, in any such reflections. But he must take leave to say, that in this instance it seemed to him, the gentlemen of the long robe had already had quite enough of this plunder.—(A laugh, and cries of " Hear !")—He understood that their bills amounted to somewhere about 14,0001., or upwards.—(Hear, hear !)—Now, while these Gentlemen had received 14,0001., the expenses of the Duke of Wellington and Mr. Arbuthnot, for two years of hard work as 'Trustees, had emt exceeded one hun dred and fifty pounds.—( Hear !)-,Froin the proceedings, he thought it had been shewn that there was the disposition to go to law which had been suggested , and when aspersions against gentlemen in the profession of the law were so loudly com plained of, he must remind the House that the most unjusti, liable means had been resorted to in order to asperse the Duke of Wellington and Mr. Arbuthnot.—(Hear!)—The aspersion against them must have been supplied to the channels through which they found their way to the public 'by some persons officially acquainted with the transactions connected with this question ; and, as he had before observed, the confidence of : an officer of such high rank and reputation as Sir Thomas Hislop must have been most grossly abused by allowing' letters anti newspapers,- and garbled papers of other kinds, to be given up, as had been done. It had been even asked why the Duke of Wellington had not given up his papers in the same way ; but surely it was most materi a l that th e Duke should not be desirous of giving up the Opinions of the Law Officers of the Crown, and other Important and confidential papers, seeing what had already happened in respect. of the manner in' which the other papers and their contents had.- been made known. , The fact was, that in every 'instance wherein the Duke had had conversations with Sir Thomas II islop, or any other gentleman, on this business the subject matter of such conversations had -always found its way into the newspapers, but in a most garbled way ; : so that, at last, the Duke of Wel lington found it necessary to object to have any personal corn. tnunication with Sir Thomas Hislop, while he continued to have any thing further to offer to the trustees, Entirely ab solving Sir Thomas Ilislop from any design or participation in assisting intelligence of this kind to find its way into the news. papers; a proceeding which he was very far indeed from im pitting to that distinguished officer—he could net but think that • the Duke of Wellington had acted rightly in saying— e "lf these things are to find their way into the public prints,. let theist do so in-my own words, at least, and not in .etateee.'" But the Duke at the same time said to--all the .officers 'concerned L-`.` Come as often as- you please —turn - over every account— examine as much its you please;, but I will not, after what has happened, hold any further personal communications on this subject." As tothe pamphlets which had been published on I this subject; they had been published, some of them, as the House must have seen, with very improper motives.. The Duke despised • these attacks as much as any could do ; but he was not the less determingd on that account, that if' any part of the case was to .b e printed, the whole should be printed. Thus too, if they were to have these papers printed, be (Sir H. liar- dingo hoped they should have all the law bills also produced and printed : he should like to see how much Mr. Harrison, for example, had received ; and how much the other legal gen- i tlemen had been paid. It would, in slm, be exceedingly de- i :arable that it should be clearly seen how much:the gentlemen of the long robe had shared of this booty or prize. Mr. BROUGHAM could assure the Hon. and Gallant Off .Oer that he had his (Mr. Brougham's) full leave to be as severe on the lawyers as he might see fit. He did not mean to Vindi cate the law, or the lawyers, from the attacks which the Gallant Officer had made upon them. Bad people there undoubtedly • were, and he was sorry for it, _in every profession —some, he feared, might be found who plundered in black coats as others did - in red.—(llear !)—He asserted the latter, the former he did not deny. The Hon. and Gallant Officer seemed, however, to he under sonie-misapprehension as to the nature of the charge .4 or daA aspersions, as he would:call it—that had been made on • occasion against the Duke of Wellington. 'Bon. Gentle men (re his (Mr. B.'s) side of the House, (harked the Duke only with ierosi ignorance as to the law of prize, as applicable to the case of • the petitioners, It could not be supposed that any • other objection ever entered into the minds of the lawyers who represented the petitioning claimants. As to the passage com plained of by Sir Evan 'lll'Gregor in his petition, it evidently - alluded to those lawyers. Now he. begged to say that he had no personal interest whatever in this case, since thr House seemed disposed to judge ofevery man's opinions by the test ofhis interest in the matter .; but of that, a word presently. Now, with respect- to :Mr. Atcheson, whom he had the pleasure of knowing very well, he thought it would be the groteiest folly under the pe culiar circumstances of this case, to impute to that highly respect. able individual a disposition to involve the claimants in needless and expensive litigation. Could he (Mr. Atcheson) be benefitted by it ? assuredly not. Was it not then most preposterous to suppose he could have any wish to excite litigation. - The Gallant Member on the other - side had talked of 14,000/. having fallen to the share of the lawyers as their proportion of the plunder —but e lle (Mr. B.) rather believed that there 'was a mistake in this, for no bills had yet been sent in.' Be.: • taking 14,000/. as the estimated expellee of the law pro ceeding's, was it an amount to be complained of? What had been done for it? • Surely,' Sir John Alalcelm, anti the other thoughtless • men who had joined liim in • his petition, could not object to that expense ; for it had esta blished their • claims to the exclusion - Of the other troops, and of. the East India Company. He (Mr. -had a very high respect fur Sir John Malcolm—he vial a very learned man and a very able roan; but be had known' many wiser men do foolish things, and he must say, that, fieeconsidered this petition as one of those foolish things whiCh lie found Sir John Malcolm, like those wiser men, sometimes (lid, nor was it to be wondered at, seeing how much the -gallant. officer must be occupied with his speeches at-one vlece." Or the other, and with his writings and his multifarious PRICE SEVENPENC:r, pursuits ; but what - he (Mr. B.) complained of was, •that this gallant person should lend himself to the casting of imputa. tions upon honourable and respectable individuals. If he corn.., plained of the expensiveness of • the litigation before the Lords of the Treasury, which indeed, as was said before, was pre.. mature, no bills having been , sent in, he (Mr. Brougham) must say it was most thoughtless and inconsiderate, if not extremely ungrateful and ungenerous ; for what had een got, for fourteen thousand pounds thus complained of? No Itss ry sum than 300,0001. .This was good profit, when 11,0001, is laid out, and brings in 300,000 k He (Mr. B.) was told, by his friends near him, that_ it was more than 30(1,0001. whi c h had been got fin. the Army of the Deccan. It was nearer a million : why, then, so much the better fort:is argument, and with so much the less grace cottiti- Sir Jolin Malcolm talk., of frnitless Thelitigation, thoefore, was not need. less, althnugh k should ha ti!oucht expensive_. • tort! Moira claimed a portion of the priz^..meney ; the Grand Arnty also claimed' a minion ; but the 'Deccan .Army succe e d e d - aga i nst.. them. If he(Mr. Broughatn) sho u ld ever be so unf,rtunate - as to enter a Court of Justice as a client, as he often did in another capacity, he could wish ,no - -better luck than to pay 14,0001. and gain 300,0001. It was the first time he - had ever .heard so sacceasful a result- complained_ of. The H onourable Member had expressed his desire -to see the law bills. lie • (Air. Brougham), could not say how much other Counsel had received, but he had got .three guineas for his opinion,L-- This was his share of the booty.—(Hear !)—Three guineas was the value of his opinion —he meant the price of it—the value was probably much less. But to return to the subject. No coin. plaint had been made by the Officers of the Army against the Counsel or Agents, and Sir 'E. Macgregor had expressed his decided approbation of their conduct. Now, as to his own -- disinterestedness in. - the - matter, he'had not been ' of counsel at all - for these -parties; their - Counsel, besides titiae . of Honourable and Learned Friends in that House, einnpris - ed= - Dr. Jenner, Mr. Harrison, and Mr. Adam. . -He himself- • was applied to, • but it was by the • Solicitor fOr, • the Marquis of Hastings, and he was obliged to decline being employed in the case, because he could not engage in it Con. ;- sistenly• with the arrangements of his business in the Cciart. Xing's Bench ;• so that if he had been employed, it would have beets not for the adjudged captors, but for Lord Hastings. With the exception of the petitioners, all the parties acquiesced in the arrangements which had been entered into on behalf of the ' Deccan army. Sir Evan-Macgregor and Sir T. Hislop had pressed the utmost satisfaction at the conduct of Mr. Atcheson,., and so had all the other Officers, with the exception : of the four petitioners. Now, who, were these petitioners ? It might be supposed, from -the parade that was made of them, that they composed a large and important body ; but no---they consisted of—only' four individuals,, most gallant, no 'doubt, .in their own persons, and who would nieet the - enemy - in the breach, bat they could not defend all India; • and then; with regard to these, st . n:;ll anti select as their number was,-the re was a curious circumstance which he (Mr. Brougham)• wished to point out. The name of Colonel Noble 'was signed to the petition presented to the House a few nightsago. He (Mr. B.) held in his hand a letter from Colonel • Noble, the hand writing of which was strikingly different to that in whiCh his name was written in the petition. This was more extraordinary as be happened to know that Colonel Noble -was is~ the H ighlands of Scotland for three weeks before that .petitien was *Stilted to the House., .Perhaps it had been signed by Colonel' Noble three weeks before it was presented. But why was it not • presented before ? Was it necessary for the promoters of ,this petition to beat up for recruits ? ,If so, he must condole with them upon their .want of sac. cess, as out of the whole Army of the Deccan, they could procure but one recruit in three weeks.—(A laugh.)—With respect to Mr. Atcheson, he has great cause of complaint( and he relies for protection upon the testimony .of .• Sir T.- • Hislop, his' client, to whom he is responsible._ • He relies upon the testimony of Sir F. M`Gregor, to whom he .is also responsible. He relies upon his character, which is known-- Ile relies upon another circumstance, which_ is not so well known, and which may be more conclusive with those who do not know Mr. Atchesou's character. If this tigation were to• be continued, who was to be the soli, citor,? . Not - Mr. Atcheson, but the Solicitor. of the T rea s ur y. And Mr. Atcheson must be a very odd man, if he excited ex, pensive litigation for the profit of another. He had, besides, laid out many thousands of pounds, which he cannot get back • - Until the - distribution takes place. Ile could not conceive' any individual - would throw good money after bad, anti that -Mr, Atcheson would promote litigation,-. from which be could reap no benefit, and which could only retard the period for his re, ceiving back all his heavy advances. It could only be in _the desperation of a case, or -in the . folly - of parties, that they should. indulge in such absurd charges.—, It was said that the Duke of Wellington had no objection to shoal the papers to any but -legal gentlemen. -The Officers and privates, and drummers may see them,. but the law ments who could alon e tak e leg a l objection s , were. not owea to 'look into them. So deep -an intereest do the -trustees take in the advantage of the Army, that...th e y would not permit them to s ee their own papers. I ,le, (Mr. B.) participated in the wish of the Gallant Officer opposite, that all the papers might be produced, and in .that': case, he was suite sure who would make the worst _ figure- in this transaction, and that that person would not be Mr., Atcheson, Colonel LUSUINGTON, in` explanation, .said that,he - at_ tached no blame to Mr. Atch eson , b ut h e had everyeonfidence in, the candour .and -wisdom of the trustees.: Beforepettibel Noble quitted town, he (Colonel Lushingtoti) . -had 'a .conirePa tion with him, in which he expressed the StrongesediSdpDroSba thin of the language in the pamphlet: against the) ;Dtikft:of Wellington. fle (Colonel Lushingtori), admitted that heqiad written the signature of Colonel Noble, but he conceived that tinder all the circumstances, and with the knowledge he . WI of that officer's opinions on the subject, he was justified in'rloin<= so. lie begged to add, - that he had not taken that step With, ' out previously consulting some Members in that House,"svhose experience as to Parliamentary forms was greater thin his own. • • • Mr. BROUGHAM confessed he did not think the ionversa; tion which had been detailed, was sufficient to Warran fion,. :Member in signing .Colonel Noble's name, Ili such crones men felt, ifferently, but he should not consider that his most inti, mate friend was justified in puttinghis•name to. a petition tinder such circumstances.—(Hear, hear !) It gave .bini tno, little surprise to learn that the Hon. Meinber opposite had taken that for a warrant to sign the petition which, in chet and"in truth, did not by any means amount to a Warrant flir such a pu'fp.ose ; and to '• sign a petition too which contained charges of ,a very serious nature against a particular individual. - To :itfix ,a sig nature, without tne semblance of an authority for it, to Stich a petitiOn, was palpably inconsistent with the privileges of that llouse. The lion. Member most unquestionably, in the c t nin t . munication which he had with Col. Noble, obtained no . santho., rity from that officer to affii his name to the petition, .3lr. Secretary CANNING saici - , there' could be nei:tipuat that. the Gallant Officer had acted from the best of manses in adopting the course which be had 'aVowed in so••'caniliti,.and manly a Manner. It was equally certain that dint conre,pyould 'have been inconsistent with the usageof Parliament,.evozif he. had had an express authority from his friend to .signthe•peti, tion,; and that the irregularity was still greater, since lie_ucted only on a general knowledge of the-opinions of bia . frieoll, •lected from general conversation. There could be Tit: doubt; that it'. was highly, : irregular, as .the Gallant Officer would be. aware, when .his Parliamentary experience was. ,Thore li - 184n-ed. He (Mr. Canning) however could not but: •• pro, test against the tone which had been assumed by Honourable and Learned Gentlemen opposite, in the observations which they had made on the geneeal.question. He had always thought that the settlement of a question by arbitration,' was a' course cOmniOnly•preferred to an expensive proceeding at a4d: tie really thought it hard upon any Gentleman whoi.venetired state - such a preference in that House, that he • shOuld lie called upon to substantiate a charge upon the learned pro, fession. This was a sort of tyranny which he never heard of before, and which he really did not understatid. A Doctor of Physic ~was glad to get a patient; a 'Clergyman was supposed' to delight ' in the cure of souls; biit if it Were only hinted that a 'lawyer liked to get a client.,: this was irtilantly resented by 'Honourable and Learnt l'oentliiin en - opposite, as a cruelaspersion, and a sort of seandqlzawniagnik, turn against the members of that profession..---tA remembered that in a late debate a story was rather triumphantly told on the other side of the house, of an account 'between twe parties, which had been the subject of litigation for many - years, having been referred •to an tilipieffeSsional Gentleman in ; that House, and satisfactorily settled in 4af an flour. Such a awry as this; in the present temper of - Ilemourable,nrui Learned Gentlemen, would be treated as a grOsiTcaltunny _on the whole profession. • For his part, he thought the' advice to abide by • the arbitration perfectly sound advice, antibe did not see ,wily 'this opinicn might not. be • entertained, without giving per sonal Offence to any gentleman, who had given,. or Will 2