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Canada Company lB 'Janata) Steam Navigation Con l3 National Provincial Bank of England li Rio Doce Prcmincial Bank of Ireland 25 116 144 11N .E.l 5 6 51' 51L4 1614 134 - 4 . 2%3 41 111Gte wATICK AT LONDON BRIDGE TO—MORROW. Mornir,:.-- 0 minutes -firer Eve:sine-19 minutes after 4. MISS EDGEWORTH'S NEW WORK. This day was published, in 3 vols. post Sr°, _,.. 11 E L E N By MARIA EDGEWORTH. N . _. _ _ Richard Bentley, New Burlington-street. (Successor to Henry Colhurn.) Agents for Scotland, Mes , rs. Bell and Bradrute, Bain laugh ; for Ireland, Mr. John Cumming, Dublin. To he obtained also of all respectable Booksellers throughout the United Kingdom. ".? ‘kri s iztr qt-;-04,-_,,k.\ *mu LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 25, 1834. Two of the most important Bills connected with the notoriously defective state of the repre sentation will be debated on their respective merits, and read a second time to-morrow even ing, in the House of Commons. The reiormed Parliament will now be brought to the test—as to how far it is sufficiently purified to extinguish the base and corrupt practices of our city and borough elections. The ballot has been hitherto rejected, on the ground that it would not re medy the evils of the system. We are assured, and have always asserted, that it would extir pate bribery and illegal practices in a large con stituency ; but it is for the House of Commons now to administer other antidotes to the notorious corruption which prevailed at the last general election. There are palpably two modes of effecting a cure of the gross evils of the existing system ; first, by the extinction of the rotten franchise ; secondly, by the infusion of a more sound body into the present limited constituencies. Both these practical remedies are about to be applied in the instances of Liverpool and Warwick. In the former town the Reform Act added the ten-pound householders to the old body of free men. The first draft of the English Bill wisely contained a clause extinguishing the right of the freemen in the cities and boroughs to vote at elections of Members of Parliament ; but the Tories artfully contrived to expunge the c lause, that, by perpetuating the lower class of voters with open voting, they might retain the means of corrupting, bribing, and treating a por tion of the constituency. The effect of this cunning device has been signally manifested at Liverpool, Bristol, and Norwich, where the venal freemen and old burgesses swamped the ten pound householders and returned Conservatives not honestly representing the real political opinions of those towns. In Liverpool the base bribery of these wretched and depraved electors has " out Heroded Herod ;' and the Reports of various Committees have recommended their entire disfranchisement. Doubtless many inge: 'lions arguments will be used by Sir ROBERT PEEL, Sir JAMES SCARLETT, et id omne genus, to excuse the corruptionists and pervert the evidence against them ; but no real Reformer can oppose their disfranchisement. The other case, that of the borough of Warwick, die plays the most infamous and various election corruption on the records of Parliament. We have received an abstract of the evidence of the voluminous reports on the disputed re turn for that borough ; it is unanswerable, and 're cannot anticipate any opposition, but a little indecent objection, to the union of Leamington with Warwick. The addition of 800 ten-pound householders, fresh electors of Leamington, to the constituency of Warwick, will secure the purity and freedom of Warwick, and rescue its representation from the claws of its " patron" the Earl of WARWICK; and we do not doubt that the result of Mr. PETER'S motion, of an address to the Crown, to dismiss his Lordship from the Lord Lieutenancy of Warwickshire, will signally punish the real offender, and operate as a salutary warning to the Boroughmongerine Peers who illegally and unconst it ut i ona lly me ddle with the electoral rights of the People. The principle on which relief should be ad ministered to the indigent, as laid down by the Poor LHw Commissioners, and which, in fact, ought to form the groundwork of every system of poor laws—is, that the condition of the pauper shall in no case be so eligible as that of the independent labourer. If exceptions be made to this rule, it ought to be only in cases of a peculiar nature, such as sudden disease or sudden loss of fortune, when the unfortunate ob jects of relief could not, by any possible means provide against the emergency. Discre tionary powers, of course, must be given to the superintending officers to meet such cases, but the general rule ought never to be lost sight of, and the lower classes ought always to be kept in mind, that idleness, improvidence, and prodiga lity, though punishable by no law, are crimes of great magnitude, and never can pass with im punity. That mawkish sensibility which would prevent able bodied men from being sent to a workhouse, because the practice is degrading, hardly deserves notice. Every state of pauperism is degrading. It is fitting and proper that it should be so, else the idle and the profligate would trust only ter the labour of others, and devour that subsistence which should be set apart for the helpless and unfortunate. As the workhouse system has, therefore, been found efficient in some districts, and as it has been found by experience in the United States that the labour of persons in confinement can be made nearly to meet their expenses, the mere question of feeling can form no grounds for rejecting a plan whose chief object is to abolish a system that has not only degraded the English peasantry below that of any other country, but entailed on the community an expense equal to the fourth of the national debt, or nearly as much in some years as suffices for the maintenance of the army and navy. Violent diseases require violent reme dies, and if a violent remedy be not applied in this case, the cure is hopeless. As it is pre• mature, however, to go into details on the mea sure till it is brought before Parliament in a tangible shape, we shall confine ourselves to one o6servation on the proposed abolition of the bastardy law. These laws have, no doubt, in flicted great injustice, and encouraged peijury and other crimes, but the remedy which the Commissioners would recommend appears even worse than the disease. The oath of a worthless woman ought not to be admitted as a sufficient plea for affiliation—in many cases the oath of the man would be preferable, and the choice should be left to the discretion of the magistrate, but to remove all responsibility on his part and throw the support of the child on the mother appears so absurd, that we would charitably sup pose we had mistaken the meaning of the Com missioners but for their concluding remark : " But the woman may bring an action for breach of promise of marriage, or her parents sue for the loss of her services." A helpless woman without a penny in the world bringing an action! This is worse than mockery. The certain con sequence of such a law would be the increase of child-murder. The French papers of Sunday speak of the return of the Lyons workmen to their duties, which has taken place at a very seasonable moment, for it seems that on Friday evening last a struggle took place in the neighbouring manufacturing town of St. Etienne, between the Republicans and the civil authorities. Go vernment had, however, taken effectual means to repress the disturbance. Private letters, dated Paris, Sunday afternoon, allude to some tumults which were likely to take place in the capital on that day. The utmost precautions had been taken by the civil powers to preserve good order, and up to the period when the estafette left Paris no disturbance of any sort had taken place. The Chamber of Deputies had rejected certain petitions which had been presented for the repeal of the law of banishment against the BONAPARTE family ; but. had given some sort of indirect sanction to a petition which prayed that his remains might be demanded of the British Government and brought to France for sepulture. No news of toy importance had reached Paris from Madrid. The period for the convocation of the Cortes (lid not seem to be yet definitively Fettled ; till this constitutional authority be fully recog nised, there can be no hope of permanent quiet for Spain, for it is the peg on which hang the destinies of the country. Brussels papers to the 24th inst. have been received. It will be seen by the following ex tracts that energetic measures are to be adopted with respect to the late outrage committed" by the Prusso-llutch Governor of Luxemburg. The Brussels correspondent of a Morning Paper says that— " General Dumoulin is a Dutchman by birth, though in the E.ervice of Prussia, and commanding the garrison of Luxem burg, in the name of the Germanic Diet. He has a brother, of the same rank as his own. in the Dutch army. There is no doubt of both being stanch friends of the King of Holland, and devoted to his system of policy. It is therefore possible that his military governor may have overstepped the limits of his orders, and that on a strong remonstrance from England and France, he may be reprimanded and removed. This might perhaps satisfy the offended feelings of Belgium. But should he be supported, thanked, and encouraged in further aggression, what will France and England do ? Events will answer this question. In the mean time it is most desirable that this coun try should see its own situation throughout the affair, and be convinced that the insult and the injury suffered by M. Hanno are not mere) , offered to Belgium, but virtually to France and England, the guardian of her rights, and, as she fully expects to find them, the protectors of her honour. It is understood that M. Van de Weyer will set out for London to-morrow, bearing with him the matured and positive decision of this Government " BRUSSELS, FEB, 22.—The Minister of War has just ordered the commanders of corps of the army to suspend, till further orders, the leave of absence granted daily to the officers and soldiers. —Liberal. . We are assured that the sth and 10th Regiments of the Line are going to set out for the province of Luxemburg, under the command of General Naas. It is also said that 12 or 15,000 men, now absent on temporary furloughs, are going to be recalled to their corps. We give these accounts without answering for their correct. ness ; however, we may say, as we have it from an officer of the regiment, that the Ist Regiment of the Line in garrison at Charleroi has received orders to proceed to Luxemburg. One battalion of that regiment is already at Arlon.—lnde pendant. Notwithstanding the accounts given this morning by the Emancipation and the Independant, of movements of traops towards Luxemburgh, which have been or are going to be ordered, we think we can affirm that no measure beyond that we mentioned yesteaday has been ordered by the Government. Foreign diplomacy has already acted, and people begin to congratulate themselves openly on the two days of calm in the Chamber that have succeeded the storms in the beginning of the week. The discussion of the report of M. Merode, if indeed there should be any discussion, is expected with firmness by the Government. The foreign envoys have already acquainted it with the conversions that they have made in the Senate and in the Chamber, and the liberty of M. Hanno will in a few days terminate the drama in a very simple manner, according to the opinion of Messrs. de Latour Maubourg and Robert Adair. The Journal of Luxemburg, which our readers know is composed and published in the federal fortress, under the in fluence of the Grand Ducal Commission of Government, ex presses itself as follows on the first debates in our Chambers, respecting the affairs of Luxemburg : . " Such subtleties are not to be refuted. The public read ' them, laughs, and pities a poor nation, on whom persons of this stamp have imposed their authority. `' In all this the consequence is what we have to consider, and this is, that within the line to which the radius of the fortress reaches, and soon, doubtless, within the more ex tended territory covered by the great radius (that is to say a circle, the radius of which is two leagues instead of one, the Belgian agents will no longer perform any operation for the raising of the militia, and will abstain from wasting the forests belonging to the domain ; and the motive which leads to this result is on the one hand the dignity and security of the fortress, and on the other the inalienable rights of the Govern ment of the King Grand Duke to the property of the state. The Belgian Ministers feel the impossibility of forgetting the respect which they owe to the Confederation, which enjoins them to observe these two points. The men of energy do not feel this necessity. They say aloud, If M. Rogicr, minister of the interior, wishes to obtain speedy satisfaction, advise him to appoint M. Huart commissary of the district of Luxemberg. Perhaps this rigid commissary may obtain the object which M. Nothomb points out as that of his Government, and the in habitants of the villages within the circle will be able to con tract marriages, pay for licences, get passports,' &c. As if a certificate of having performed military service had even been required to deliver a license—as if the burgomasters did not celebrate marriages without requiring the certificates, when it is physically impossible to produce them! What can we add to these fine things ? None but the Prussian Senate could pre.. serve its gaity, amidst these follies of the Carnival. " We have placed all these fine things before our readers that they may judge of the pleasantries to which the Belgian Senate is exposed abroad by the culpable weakness of the Go vernment of the country since the defection of the National Congress.—Courrier Beige, Feb. 23. The Chamber of Representatives continued yesterday (21st) the discussion on the budget of the Interior.—Brussels Papers, Feb. 23. NAPOLI, DEC. 14.—Tranquillity and order have been conso lidated in an extraordinary manner within these nine months. Respect and confidence in the Government daily increase. Rear-Admiral Count Dandolo arrived at Napoli on the 10th. —Osserv. Triest. VIENNA, FED. 14.—Five per Cent. Metalliques, 97 7_16; Four per Cent , 87 IA ; Bank Shares, 1,235 4-s.—Allgemeine Zeitung, Feb. 19. ____ It appears probable that the Secretaryship to Lloyd's will be sharply contested, for we hear there are no less than eleven candidates, amongst whom is Mr. John Penny, a gentleman of literary attainments, whose productions have been often before the public. We believe he has some powerful friends amongst the sub scribers, and should he be elected, we think the gentlemen of Lloyd's will have good reason to be satisfied with their choice. PERIA RLIAMENrI THIS DAY, TUESDAY, FEB. 25. HOUSE OF COMMO VS. The SPEAKER took the chair at a few minutes past twelve. Mr. Woodthorpe brought up a return of the number of coaches and cabs plying in the metropolis. ➢lr. WILLIAMS brought up a report of the committee on the Dorchester paving and lighting petition, and obtained leave to bridg in a bill. Mr. WM. MILES brought up the report of the committee on the Bridgewater and Taunton canal. Mr. B. CARTER brought up the report of the committee on the Limerick water-works' petition, and obtained leave to bring in a bill. Lord ROBERT MANNERS brought up the report of the committee on an insurance company's petition, the name of which we could not hear. The same hon. member brought in a bill to enable the Leicester Navigation Company to make a railway near Swannington. Mr. E. BULWER brought In a bill to enable the corpora tion of the city of Lichfield to make a turnpike road towards Chester. Mr. ENVART moved the second reading of the Ocean In surance Company. Bill. The bill was accordingly read a second time, and ordered to be committed. The same HON. MEMBER presented a petition, very nume rously signed, in favour of the Liverpool Small Tenements Bill, then before the house. Lord G. SOMERSET presented a petition for leave to make a railroad from London to Reading, and from thence to Bath and Bristol. Mr. G. W. WOOD moved the second reading of the North Wigan Railway Bill. The bill was accordingly read a second time, and ordered to be committed. Lord SANDON presented a petition against the Liverpool Oil Gas Company's Bill. The Noble Lord also presented a petition praying that the petitioners might be heard by counsel against the bill. Mr. FITZSIMON moved the second reading of the Dublin and Kingston Railway Bill. Mr. SHEIL presented a petition, very numerously signed, indeed by some thousands, of the inhabitants of the town of Thurles, in the county of Tipperary, praying for the total abo. lition of tithes and the repeal of the union. The hon. mem ber said that the petition stated that the majority of the members of that house were ignorant of the interests of Ireland.--(l(ear, and cries of" Order.") It also stated that the repeal of the union was as much required by Ireland as the Reform Bill was by England, and that the majority of the English members were as indifferent to the interests of Ireland as the members of the boroughs formerly were to the interests of their con stituents. The SPEAKER said the Hon. Member must be aware that he could not present a petition so worded. Mr. SHEIL said the petition merely stated that the English members were not acquainted with the interests of Ireland. The SPEAKER said that it appeared the wording of the pe tition was, that the majority of English members were indif ferent to the interests of Ireland.—(Cries of " Read, read.") Mr. SHEIL said, as his object was not to delay the time of the house by any discussion, he should read the petition. The hon. member then proceeded to read the petition at length. The petitioners complained of the grievances inflicted by the tithe system, that it had brought odium upon the church esta blishment in Ireland, and that the Tithe Bill of last session was likely to increase that odium, and bring about some fright ful crisis. That without the total abolition of tithes all hope of peace or prosperity for Ireland was in vain. The petitioners contended, that from the various and important duties the English members had to discharge relative to the local con cerns and the colonies of that country, they could not find time, even if they were acquainted with its local wants, to at tend to the interests of Ireland. They, therefore, prayed fur a repeal of the legislative union. The hon. member said that, perhaps, he had expressed himself in stronger language than he was warranted by the wording of the petition.—(Laughter.) He moved that the petition be brought up. Mr. FINCH said that it was a bold assertion to say that the affairs of Ireland were neglected, whilst there were one hundred Irish members in that house. Those hon. gentlemen must want either the power or the will to attend to the affairs of that country. He did not believe that the accusation was well founded, for nothing could be more uncharitable than to say that hon. gentlemen of such talent wanted power; and it would be equally uncharitable to suppose that they wanted will. When the house considered that there were reports from Ire- land upon agriculture, manufactures, population, the criminal jurisprudence, and when there were two debates a week upon Irish affairs, that one half of the English Members had visited that country, and that they had 100 Irish members to give them all the information they could require, it was rather a bold assertion to say that they were utterly unac quainted with Irish interests; and he was bound to say, in justice to the hon. members for Ireland, as well as the other members of the house, that, in hit opinion, the charge was without the slightest foundation —(Hear, hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL said that there was a great deal of poetry in the imaginings of the hon. gendeman wl.o had just sat down. He had forgotten that even the Argus of the land had been put to sleep by coercion bills, and that there was a melancholy about Ireland sufficient to make the most watchful doze. The hon. member said that that there were one hundred Irish members in that house to give them all possible information ; but the honourable member should recollect that those 100 were not the representatives of the same opinions and senti ments. Some of them were the representatives of that party which had inflicted all the mischief on Ireland, who had been the upholders of a ruinous domination in that country, and whom alone the government indulged in a share of the spoil, in order to make them faithful to that oppressive species of con nection that subsisted between the two countries. But what information were Irish members to give that house? What were they here for, but to hear every measure that would give peace or prosperity to Ireland opposed, and successfully op posed; to listen to coercion bills, and when they brought any mea sure to have either a hollow support, or what he would infinitely prefer, the direct and manly opposition of the government. After all, were they to tell their tales 7—To become the schoolmasters of the house 7 They had in this country a press which was the organ of the public opinion —but it was very different in Ireland. But the hon. member (Mr. Finch) admitted they were ignorant of the affairs of Ireland, and that they wanted one hundred schoolmasters to teach them.—(A laugh.) Yes, and two hundred would not be too many. It would be dis paraging to English members to suppose that they were not willing to do good to Ireland.—(Hear.) He would, at least, assert it for some, although it was not necessary to do so for all. But this willingness was quite use less if they were in want of information, or rather if they were misinformed upon the state and wants of Ireland, as he believed to be the case with an immense majority of the English mem bers, and of some of the Scotch members of that house ; they were in want of information, or rather they had a negative quantity of misinformation to operate upon them. It was on this account that the people of Ireland universally demanded a domestic legislature. That domestic legislature had been taken away by the grossest artifices, and the greatest crimes that had ever been perpetrated by one nation upon another. Even in the history of the Spaniards of North America there was not to be found such instances of profligacy, nor was there to be found in the account of any people such instances of the vilest corruption, or where such oceans of blood had been shed, as had been perpetrated to deprive Ireland of a domestic legislature. The people of Ireland called with one voice for a domestic legislature, and he hoped that the house would respectfully listen to their call. Mr. FINN quoted some instances of the increase of the Ro man Catholic population, and the decrease of the Protestant, in some parishes in Ireland ; also the non-residence of incumbents, though the people were severely mulcted for their support. He thought that the ne w bill f or the c ompulsory payment of tithes tended to increase the original injustice and grievance of that exaction.—(Hear, hear.) The established church of Ireland was hastening to its dissolution every day, in con sequence of the measures which the English government were introducing to prop it up. Mr. LITTLETON considered it strange that honourable gentlemen should mix up two such questions as repeal of the union and tithes. Perhaps the former was not sufficiently at tractive, and therefore the popular topic of tithes was introduced. Whatever petitions were presented, or had been, or were to be, the subject of tithes is brought in to excite a discussion.— (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. L.) had his own opinion on the subject, but he did not consider the present period applicable to its dis cussion. Regarding the increased assessment alluded to by the hon. member for Kilkenny, such cases as he complained of would be found to be comprised under an ecclesiastical union ; and though the petitioners set forward their complaints of the increase, they never set forward the grounds, nor gave the reasons for that increase, although they were well known to them. He (i%lr. L) would not enter into the discussion now; but in a few days, on the second reading of the tithe bill, he pledged himself to show many cases in which the increases complained of were justifiable. Mr. FERGUS O'CONNOR considered it quite natural that the subjects of repeal and tithes should be united, as the latter grievance arose from the union between England and Ire land. The general complaint against Irish members was, that they were only ma ki ng d ec l arat i ons w i t h out enter i ng i nto de tails, and yet when those details are entered into, fault was found with them for so doing. The present was the fitting period for detailing all the particulars connected with the grievances of tithes in Ireland, as the bill introducei by the right hon. secretary would be brought on in a few days for the secund reading. He (Mr. O'Connor) implored the right lion. secretary not to stain his immediate private character with that nefarious bill. No person had a higher respect than he (Mr. O'Connor) had for that right hon. gentleman's character, and that respect induced him to suggest the reconsideration of that bill before it be urged seriously on the adoption of the legislature. Had the 147th clause of the Irish Church Bill, which was introduced last session not been withdrawn there would not havebeen halfas much to do as there was now on that subject. Let government lay a tax of three millions on the luxuries of life in Ireland, or on whisky, or on something else; but let them take that three millions from off the people which was collected now by the tithe extortions. Twenty millions were given to the negroes—let something be given to Ireland. The Protestant gentry in Ireland weie the most vigorous oppo nents the tithes had.—(Cries of " No, no.") Yes, it was the case; they made common cause with the poor people since the introduction of the composition bill in 18:24 ; and the chief de faulters at present were Protestants. Even in his (Mr. O'Con nell's) parish the Duke of Devonshire himself was a defaulter. The outcryagainst tithes was not partial or confined to any class. The injustice of thernwa s felt by all, and the complaint against them was as general. Mr. R. C. FERGUSON said that though he did not mean to commit himself to any part of the Bill to be brought in by wstrenuously b support. t . a It n h d been saatidb land-tax—that the Right Hon. S ecretary for Ireland, he would say that in his opinion the most conven i ent form of collecting tithe funds was notoo would d y a most composition but p y the principle hon.he and learned Me m b er for Dublin, that nearly all the English Members and part o f t h e Scotch were ignorant upon Irish ad affairs—now he wou ld say for the whole of the Members of x— that house not Irish, that no subjects whatever received more attention, or took up more of the time of the house than those connected with Ireland. Although Members might differ in opinion with the hon, and learned Gentleman, that was no good ground for saying that therefore they were inattentive to Irish affairs—it was quite possible to obtain in Ireland in formation of a very difft rent nature from that which that hon. Gent. gave them. He remembered an instance in point that took place upon the Coercion Bill, The member for a county, in very flowing language, stated that it was in a state of the greatest tranquillity—while the Lord Lieutenant of the same county, who was resident upon the spot, stated it to be very much dis turbed, and in a state of almost complete anarchy: He might charge upon the Irish members, that they were ignorant of Scotch affairs, and unfit to legislate upon them ; but as he knew their persevering nature, he knew he could not ; then why should the other members be so often told that they were both ignorant of, and inattentive to, those affairs they were called to legislate upon ? The house, in his opinion, had in general shown great attention to, and a complete knowledge of, the state of Ireland. Even upon the Coercion Bill, they had done so, far in his opinion some such act as the old Insurrection Act, was then absolutely necessary. He had ap proved of the bill in almost all its clauses, but that which established courtsmartial.—(Hear, hear.) For himself he would say, that he had never given a vote upon any occasion what ever, without having very maturely inquired into the circum s'ances of the case, and given it his best attention—(hear) — and he would continue to act in the same way, ➢lr. J. BROWNE considered the proposition of the hon. and learri,i member for Dublin, on a former night, a most impro per one. To take two thirds of the tithes away, would be something like a national robbery—(cheers)—for those two thirds belonged to the poor of Ireland. He approved of the principle of the proposed tithe bill, as he thought, the making it to be collected as a land tax, would put an end to such hor rible scenes as had lately been transacted in Ireland. The petition was then laid on the table. Mr. SHEIL then presented another petition containing the same prayers from another parish in Tipperary. He would not attempt to answer any of the speeches that had been made, and would only remark, in answer to the complaint of hon. gen tlemen, that Irish affairs took up too much time in that house, that they were specially called upon to do so by the King's speech. He would take that opportunity of asking a question of the right hon. Secretary for Ireland. The question he would ask was, whether he, in the first instance, had called the atten tion of the Stamp-office to the Act of Parliament which ren dered a person convicted of sedition incapable of again receiv. ing stamps; or whether the communication came to him from the Stamp-office ? also, whether the information came to him as Mr. Littleton, or as Secretary for Ireland ? Mr. LITTLETON said of course he could have no diffi culty in answering the question of the hon. member; but he must say the question was put to him in a very irregular manner. Such questions as were of a public nature were only asked at five o'clock when Members generally were in their places. There was another irregularity also ; he had already answered the very same question. However, he had no hesitation in saying that he had never received any communication on the subject from the Stamp-office. The notice of it came to him in a private letter—(Hear)—a private letter, though from an official person, in which it was asked— " Are you aware of the existence of such and such a clause in a certain act of parliament, and of its application to the case of Mr. Barrett 2" He looked into the act, and found that the clause was imperative ; he, therefore, desired his private secretary to extract that part of the letter, which he sent over to Mr. Woulfe without comment, leaving the case entirely in his hands. Mr. O'CONNELL said he would only ask one more ques tion, as to whether Mr. Woulfe took the opinion of any law officer of the Crown? Mr. LITTLETON said he had not the slightest objection to lay the entire correspondence, official or otherwise (and a good deal had taken place) upon the subject, before the house. Mr. O'CONNELL would not again trouble the house, but that he wished to show how much mistaken the right hon. gentleman was as to a certain fact. The right hon. gentle man had stated that the petitions for the repeal of the union were obtained by combining them with petitions against tithes. He had that morning received a letter from Mr. Cloo ney, which he had destroyed but a few minutes previously, and which completely refuted such an assertion. The letter stated that the Roman Catholic clergyman of a parish in Kilkenny had expressed himself anxious to confine the petitions from his parish to the subject of repeal— (Hear)----and that he considered the question of tithes as one of little importance when compared with that of repeaL Mr. LITTLETON said the exception proved the rule. Mr. FINN said that the same feeling had manifested itself in the county which he had the honour to represent. Mr. ROEBUCK put a question to the right hon. Secretary for Ireland, the purport of which we could not catch. Mr. WILLIAM MILES presented a petition from the mem bers of the Established Church in the parish of Whitestapen, in the county of Somerset, praying that no alteration in the tithe system, which might be injurious to the Established Church, should be made. The hon. member presented a petition from another parish in the same county to the same effect. Mr. ADAMS presented a petition from a parish in the county of Carmarthen, praying for an alteration in the tithe system. Mr. FERGUS O'CONNOR presented a petition from the fishermen of Four-mile-water, county of Cork, complaining of the bounty having been withdrawn from the Irish fisheries. The lion. member also presented a petition from the inhabitants of Newmarket, in the county of Cork, the contents of which, although only a few lines, were so completely in accordance with the views of the hon. member for Mayo, opposite, that he would take the liberty of reading it. The petitioners stated that the pastors of the church ought to depend for support upon the laity—that the exorbitant revenues of the church ought to be resumed by the nation—that the law which compelled the disposed of e shouldto pay be tithestaken esoh into od the be abolished—andhands softhe state, lau of for the common good of the realm . The hon. member ob served that he perfe - Aly concurred in the prayer of the petition that to church b thee He thought that tithes should be abolished altogether, and that a portion of the church property should be set apart for the support of the poor, the advance ment of education, and other national purposes. He was an enemy to spoliation, but he did not wish to see any measure introduced by which the tithes would go into the pockets of the landlords. He begged to call the special atten tion of the right hon. Secretary for Ireland to this short but pithy petition. Mr. LITTLETON said he did not rise for the purpose of discussing the question now, but in order to offer one remark upon the pithy observation of the hon. member for Cork. The hon. member stated that he was no friend to spoliation, but that he was for preserving property, and for making the land clean by taking away tithes, and he had suggested that a land tax be laid on and applied to general purposes. He (Mr. L.) thought that if the tithes were taken off land now paying that tax, and placed upon land which was not then subject to tithes, it would be an act of the most gross and flagrant Injustice.— (Hear, hear.) He thought that the land then subject to tithes must discharge itself of that obligation, and such was the ob. ject of the bill which he had the honour to introduce a few nights previously, and he trusted wouid receive the sanction of that house Mr. F. O'CONNOR explained. The right hon. gentleman had misunderstood the tendency of his observations—his object was not to place a tax upon land which had hitherto been ex empt from the payment of tithes. He conceived that those clergymen who were now receiving 1,0001. per annum, in con sequence of the reduction which had taken place in all arti cles of produce, should submit to a corresponding re duction in the amount of their livings.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Those who were at present in the enjoyment of 4001. per an- num were as rich as the persons who formerly possessed 1,0001. per annum. He would never advocate any proposition which would have for its object the spoliation of any portion of the Protestant clergy. Mr. FINN said that the tithe agistment law had operated very oppressively in some instances. He knew a gentleman who took land which paid no tithe at the time, and since the passing of the tithe agistment act he had been obliged to pay 531. per annum. Mr. FINCH said that he could not suffer the discussion to close without remarking that a position laid down by an hon. member near him was rather illogical, namely, that taking away the tithes would not injure any party. Now in his (Mr. Finch's) view, the church was a party, and a very considerable party, and if tithes were taken from the church, he should like to hear what plea the landlords would have to prevent their rent from being taken away in a like manner. Tithes, having been given to the church, and confirmed to its possession by acts of parliament, were as much the property of the church as any other species of property belonged to any hon. gentleman in that house. The Irish landlords would do well to look to this, if they suffered the church to be spoiled of its property, they would soon find the hand of spoliation turned against themselves. He hoped that the time was not distant when provision should be made for the Irish poor; some measure similar in principle to the English system of poor laws, but amended in its practical effects. He feared that the day was not distant when, in consequence of the trans mutation of tithes, the landlord would be robbed of the only plea by which he could call upon Parliament to protect his property. Mr. RUTHVEN said, that not only he, but others better capable of forming a just opinion upon the subject, believed that the commutation of tithes had made what was bad before a great deal worse. Those parishes which had shown the strongest opposition to the payment of tithes were the only p'aces in which the bill would have a beneficial effect. They were assessed at a smaller rate; whereas, those which had sub mitted, were tyrannized over and oppressed. In the north of Ireland, amongst the Presbyterians, there was a strong oppo sition to the present church establishment.—(Hear, hear ) He had himself presented several petitions from that body against it. They complained that in one parish (Ardfin) lands had been lately assessed which had never before paid tithes. One of the commissioners sent there was an old hearth money collector—a person of a very low description in Ireland—who being remonstrated with, said he would writeto the government for instructions. The government returned a civil answer, but this commissioner had the opinion of the law officers of the crown, and acted upon it, taking upon himself the responsibility of assessing land which had never before paid tithes. There was another parish in the county of 'Antrim which had for merly never paid more than 3001., but was now compelled to pay 7001. In some other parishes near Ardfin, and in several parishes in the county of Down, the expenses of the commis sion had amounted to more than the annnal amount for tithe. The petition was then ordered to lie on the table. Mr. F. O'CONNOR, in explanation, said that the lion. member (Mr. Finch, we believe) was wrong in supposing that his (Mr. O'Connor's) arguments had a tendency to spoliation. He would not take up the time of the house, but as this was the first time they had got the Secretary for Ireland present— Mr. LITTLETON said he was not asked to attend before. Mr. O'CONNOR expressed a hope that the right hon. gen- Aeman would not require to be asked in future. The people of Ireland had a foolish, blind confidence in the government, and attended sentpetitions toand t w o th i lt ld ho p u r s od e, uincethsoemheopgoeod effect.thatthe y w ic o o u w ld be order that his Majesty's government might know the wants of the people, he would give notice that to-morrow on going into the committee of supply be would move that his Majesty's go vernment, in not attending at the morning sittings of the house had not kept the pledge which they made last session to the house, and that it was due to the house and the public that some member of his Majesty's government should attend in the morning. Mr. LALOR said he had three petitions to present from the Queen's county, having the same object, namely the aboli tion of tithes. They complained that they were obliged to snpport a church from which they received nothing in return, and which had caused the shedding of so much blood in Ireland. The condition of the people of Ireland at present was worse than it was under an unreformed parliament. It was a complete fallacy to suppose that Ireland could be restored to peace by the attempt to commute tithes into land tax. The drift of the right hon. Secretary's bill would be immediately seen by the people of Ireland. It was immaterial to them whether tithes be collected from them by the clergyman or landlord ; in fact, they would prefer to have to deal with the clergyman, for they might have some chance of escaping; but now that a collision takes place between land lord and tenant, they would most undoubtedly refuse to pay the rent, because of an odious tax being coupled with it. (Hear, hear.) There was no part of the burden taken off the people—the mode of collecting it had only under gone a change.—(Hear.) It was in his (Mr. L's) parish that passive resistance was first offered to tithes, and in his mind it was a misnomer to use the word passive as connected with resistance. The worthy baron, whose conduct a few nights ago was subjected to investigation, said that the law was violated when passive resistance was offered to it; that he (Mr. L.) deni€d. It was not broken, but evaded. The law gave the people the choice of paying the tax or allowing their goods to be taken, or their persons to be imprisoned. They chose the latter, and he was sure cash payments for tithes would never be made in Ireland. He was likewise anxious to advert to one topic more. It was the allegation of the Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland that the subjects for repeal and tithes were artfully entwined. Now he (Mr. L.) wss sure that if the people of Ireland got their choice, they would prefer the repeal of the union to the abolition of tithes. Mr. A GLIONBY did not think there was enough done for Ireland, but certainly there was a good deal done by the re formed parliament. The grand jury bill, the jury bill, and the church cess bill, were surely a great improvements. Mr. SHEIL admitted the good effects of the church cess bill, but there was a counterpoise to that by the withdrawal of the 147th clause during the last Session. As to the Grand Jury Bill, there was great difference of opinion respecting it. Re. garding the Jury Bill, hon. gentlemen should recollect the fatal right that was reserved by the Crown for setting aside jurors. The case of Mr. Barrett was one which forcibly showed how destructive the prerogative enjoyed by the Crown Solicitor is to the rights of the people. Mr. LITTLETON deprecated the introduction of so many topics together. Regarding the case of Mr. Barrett, this evening that would be discussed, and he (Mr. L.) pledged him self to satisfy the house that the conduct of the Irish Govern ment was the most honourable on that occasion. Mr. SHEIL was led into so many topics in consequence of the panegyric pronounced by the hon. Member who spoke the one before last. Mr. RUTHVEN followed on Mr. Shell's side. Major KEPPELL presented petitions from various parts of the county of Norfolk, for th repeal of the taxes on malt and hops. Mr. FINN presented two petitions for the repeal of the union, and two for the abolition of tithes. The petitioners complained of the total abstraction of property, the destruction of trade, and the estrangement of the landed proprietors, caused by the union in Ireland. ptfhwrhrao.oe M dinui f r u . tIh L Iye ITTLETON said the petition contained very great com plaints of the manner in which the land revenves were ex pended, but it ought to be remembered that a great part of the money of such land revenues had been spent in the county of Kilkenny in making roads. Col. BUTLER presented a petition from a Mr. Stephen Wright, a respectable Protestant gentleman and farmer, com plaining of the conduct of a tithe commissioner named Captain Collins. The gallant member said the petitioner was a man of very great experience in the value of land and tithes ; and he had been frequently examined before committees of that house upon the latter subject. When a man of that kind complained upon► such a subject, surely the house would give some attention to it. He also presented one to the same effect from the parish of Callingford—they complained that where they for merly paid only 841. for tithes, they were now raised to 1761. They also stated that the church of Ireland was possessed of Rpleeirotnpiletenpeoxullirg:taesidef well managed, more or a er n fe a o g rl e ma d ne , dd to fpo S ar ll r p ltih i a .a em rt ecnh it tu :e rt i co f h , b,aentdi relievedl till h t e h r e e fore they consi d eredpayment inquireda y m en into it tithes. w tthh o ee u s . 1 d.Taohnneal They also management s e eo nt a tr n uo sf a t c we t dh of theft i j t u Gi s ,o, t av i cseera Government t w m h e ic n h t pre sent possessed of. l ln l etc a htt s ehe dra f et o r7ishgeurihbsetj rightly, he ei e d s; h: ar i od l yt t Mr. LITTLETON said he had to thank the gallant member me for a perusal rt oe Inb eotihlrsee o gufprprteohet present ee fi ndwt r th s eh t iaca p shte e ,p t h i ci t tfe i i o ti l ib, t oe , enl a isr s ee euv w peodo e l giving him notice of his intention of presenting it that day. in any instance allude to the causes of the increase.—(Hear, s h l t t e r a w o r n a . g ) s had a correspondence in Dublin. One reason was, that as the measure was a compulsory one, and was to govern for all future time, every dormant title to tithemust bebrought forward, or e'se it would be for ever lost; now it was scarcely possible but that some of those claims would be substantiated. That was one reason for the increase, and there were many others. As to the next complaint, he did not know what the duty of the Commissioner was as to entering the separate items in his book ; therefore, upon that head he would not say more. As to the other point, on which there might be many cases in various parts of Ireland, an individual having a great portion of the lands in any particular parish might find his assessment under the Tithe Composition Act very considerably increased; but he must complain of the neglect of his co-pa rishioners in absenting themselves from the select vestry, and thereby preventing him from appealing against the assess tnent. The petitioner in the present case was placed in that situation, and therefore he should not complain of the conduct of the commissioners where the fault lay with his fellow-pa rishioners. Mr. F. O'CONNOR, in supporting the prayer of the peti tion, contended that the observations of the right hon. secretary had afforded additional reasons against the tithe composition assessments, and declared, that among the claimants whose faa c Ea, l ni n, very `Sr.mruur,s. , equallyTstF:n. ihiiaNTavldlTNEaLmNlE.oii.n:r amount trs:dormant assured isstuhcompositioner epdra ) were .,er ho s foo t t uf t e sh h heei sptmtheitaetihtnt petition, a s e, a sntohbdeli noble du D u dr t i e. of Devonshire, who came forward to swell his tithes to a large alluded to had been most liberal towards the parishioners, in putting forward his claims ; indeed, he had consented to Mkc r in . g F. th O e 'C co ONNOß said he knew of no more furious battle tha i n that fought by the Duke's a -, ents. r, Mr. JAMES TALBOT presented a petition from Athlone, built by to a bridge at that place, which the petitionera ithid Wal mit by Sir H. Sydney in the time of Queen Elisabeth, and ha a e t n iih e eo v t e rise r .p b e e al e vl n o. repaired since.--(A laugh.) They prayed dilapidated iex ioo state, tw and that e °A vas that t House would enfore a former Act respecting the bridge. . Mr. LITTLETON said that the bridge of POrtURRA was in the tao attention of the Chairman of the Board of Works to these Mr. °r Putting them into a state of repairta.s:: wised for and he trusted that some plan would shortly be de mayor T andl i Ef Rtchßoo:oßH union.aoBOROUGH Tohfoe presented rFteh iev p ce e Arb t e i on t u l np n uilig s cahric f d r from m f:i t Pallas -green, county of Limerick, for the abolition of tithes and able names attached to each of them. Mr. E. TENNANT presented a petition froni an inst u r o against the bill now before the house for the clisfracchisemrtt of that borough, and praying to be heard by counsel agains ! iHlarelytrosiotisteaedii ch e borough was one of the oldest in Ireland, having enicqed.l,ts to a t r h ter from the time of James 1., and the greatest evil attacrite... rien e charter was the facility of making freemen. The conme I class of v ri oters, He begged to give notice of the course he i at thelast and previous election, was confined to the lowest en OIC . ONNELL said that any P ersbn who r d to pursue, that on the second reading of t hG: h oerti e :::c b k: i r l rfes l iesr i Pehit:tu e be a :st- d :' uction to the committee to regulate but not destroy the franchise of that boroiigh. c t o h i e is e ti v t idence of the two committees sr ould find that the grossest and most profligate corruption prevailed in that borough, and Oat not only the lower but the higher classes were concerned in the bribery, which it had been proved existed to an enormous extent. S i r H. WILLOUGHBY admitted that there was decided d corruption in Carrickfergus, but he had read the evidence an thought that that borough still enjoyed the elements of a good great instrument by which the bribery Mr. RUTHVEN said that the higher as well as the lowet classes were tainted with corruption, and a clergyman was the the land. Mr. E. TENNANP replied, and the petition was laid on the table. Mr. DIVETT presented a petition from the Protestant Dis senters of East Budley, praying relief from certain grievanceeds, such as the payment of church rates, ,Szc. They also Pr a Y had been spread through that a system of general registration might be established. It being three o'clock, the SPEAKER left the Chair. ------r-_ SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE-(THIS DAY) FROM LLOYD'S. ivEd a f u re , s fr h om bre c en a ; so ur, __.ArT un. and D r E e A m i li F n E t ß h . e 2 S 4 e .— ale W hy in C d ast W le . , S H .W illM ' taineer, Redman, for Barbadoes; and his Majesty's shiP Ja sse ' from Sheerness, for the westward. PORTSOUTH, FEB. 24.—Wind S.W., fresh bre ezes. C . r. M rived off' port the Thomas King, Williamson—sailed from Pv merara 15th ult., and Barbadoes 18th. FALMOUTII, FEB 23.—Wind S. W., fresh breezes. STANGATE CREEK, FEB. 24.—Arrived the Urania, Headlei , from Odessa. DOVER, FEB. 24.—Arrived off port, the George Clinton, Woodhouse, from Charleston. BRISTOL, FEB. 24.—Arrived the Faith, from Bilboa. York, LI V ERPOOL, FEB. 23.—Arrived the Charles Wharton , from New Orleans ; Grafton, Crowel, from Savann ah ; Streig litz, Lathrop, from Charleston; Lord Stormont , Noble, froll New York ; Prince Koharwz, from Trieste; Orion, fro m Odessa ; Mary, Hunter, from Alicant ; and Harmony, Bei' ford, from Cadiz. HULTOFT BANK, NEAR ALFERD, FEB. ‘33.—The Betse this Skelton, from Newport to Shields, was driven on shore at place to-day, but got off without any apparent damage, and pro" ceeded. The John Stewart, Remington, f rom Demerara to London' was totally wrecked at Barbadoes, on the 17th ult. Her cargo. consisted of 556 puncheons of rum, which was unfortunately lost, and the crew with difficulty saved. The St. Auben, M`Mullen, from Galway to WM .OI sunk between Formby and Southport, on the 2=ld instant.—CreW saved. The Fairy, from Liverpool to China, was driven on shor e in the Old Singapore Straits, previous to th e 23d of October, but expected to bt, got off without much damage. Christopher Cardoza, Gosh, from Barcelona to Copenhagen, put into Gibraltar leaky, having been on shore —Part of her cargo discharged. - - THE MARKETS.-(THIS DAY.) HAY MARKETS.—trot per Load of 36 Trusses.) CUMBERLAND. # ~,,s310 1; 5 IA moderate supply, and a steady trade; prices as 10 ,:'," 3 `,., Coarse heavy Lowland Meadow Hay sg J ., 0 u lie..- , ea new Hay 3 ° 4 4 fl:eful ()Id 7 iittO Fine Upland Meadow and By e grass H ay 4 u . ,aver 11 a; Oat Stray .61 10 to .E 1 12 I Wheat Straw... 1 12 0 10 SMITHFIELD. .. £3 5 to 0 0 Coa *se heavy Lowland Meado w H a y . 0 0 4 : • e .-, :‘:;,....uw ray t..k,fi:loltl I vato ', ee Pidand Meadow and Rye-grass Hay ..... .... 4 ?, 1 lt; -ye: liai (cur , , ine)....E5 o... Generally .... 4 ,4' 4 0 t :straw ....t: ;12 t; £1 16 1 Wheat Straw.... 1 ' The supplies of ' colonial produce are limted, e nd COLONIAL MARKETS i the d o e " mand having become more brisk, an incre ased business is, from ticipated as the week advances. The deli v e ries last wee}' ...,,o, the docks were not above 2,000 hhds., all fo r borne con suto_ Ad - e , FOREIGN SUGARS.—These sugars continue in lioliw mand, and but few orders are in the market this morni e g:,,,,' l ine are in INDIA SUGARS. — Mauritius Sugars at the late .. - gari qualities at 535. to 575. Gil. per cwt. Coloury in rather better demand. Very bright grocery grey ' ti pt i o vi were sold at 595. Gd. per cwt., and fine brown Midd lin g l- er• REFINED SUGARS.—The supply being more extensive, Or is rather more doing. s i e or I ITHE EAST INDIA SILK TRADE.—The CompallY's L In dia Bengal Raw Silks commenced yesterday morning at the of House, and was fully attended. The declaration consists of 2,600 bales of Company's Bengal. The sale commenced W o f w hole 3, considerable activity, but the Silks offered during the yesterday were generally of inferior quality and went cotePatiron tively 5 per cent. lower than last sale, but when the deler i P te d, of Silk is considered, the decline is not ' so considerable as s ta .:et The finer silks went off at prices fully equal to those obtsP:rio at the last sale. There passed the sale yesterday nearll 7 0 , bales, and not a single bale was withdrawn. The sale i 5 P • ceeding steadily ' in the same way. . Der• areaCOFFE.—The sales continue limited; good rniddltrg vit. bice at 88s. per cwt., and Triage at 838. to 84s• P er v c ire In East India Coffees there is some business doing. . Yellow Mocha has obtained 665. to 675. 6d. Pe r "it rettl TIIE TEA TRADE.—The deliveries of Teas continue P,, o f poun ds large, having amounted to nearly half a million weight last week. Prices are, however, still heavy. Siarns are losv re NOTICE. In a few days, when the arrangements for that pur pose are accomplished, The Sun will be conside rably enlarged, and printed with a new and beauti ful type, cast expressly for this Paper by the cele brated Alex. Wilson and Sons, of Glasgow. THE FUNDS.-(THIS DAY.) CITY, TWELVE 0' CL 0 C 4 . 80, Our arrivals this morning are Singapore papers to theorth of November, and Bombay to the 10th of October, at the 14 . 0 0. t a Na n on d cae S ti o r vtiab,lhsAeams weather a i t c tf a hi n eorm C Coffee-house, hffeeree. Portugal, h h o a u s s e bb , ue w te i nt t h h ev t ye h r e ayr e e x d p a r i e l s y s e f x r D e l e, ..it r edp or. The Singapore papers do not contain any news 01.1.- ,,„g change of the monsoons is shortly expected, anPdPrsverthiliet's'e°-liiili ous fall of rain, of which the parched grounds are ;n ue want. .e. co The Bombay papers ar e a l so vo id o f i n t e lligence ag t he quence. It appears, from th e li s t o f su bscriptions , a , th d at Calcutta steam fund now amounts to 108,01 11 . 8 s• ,:d; ca x° : The Government of Bombay have expr e ssed a I '7, ; na to. pliance with the wishes of the Governor-General 0 ete her de• f the Hugh Li n ds e y to S uez thi s year, b u t the ti m parture is not settled. Martinique' f Accounts have been received at Havre fro m there fr the sth January. Admiral Mackaw had arr ive " from t• be Carthagena, after having obtained every satisfaction authorities of Colombia. THE FUNDS. 'O5 n terea ti orb The express from Paris, this morning, is only 1 4 In ° _ e respect to the state of the French capital and that uve lac It appears that some disturbances were expected W t ,au tto on Sunday evening, and accordingly the necessarYln.7,ete, t ° were taken by the Government, on an extensive a' to counteract the Republicans. thA t From Lyons it is stated by the telegraphic desPa"' u t at - t D working classes had returned to their employm ent, Bice age° Etienne a serious conflict took place, in which a P° was killed. No intelligence has been received from Madrid. the 7,4g ,,co sio u n t t, Consols, which left off yesterday at 90 , ,; % f opened at 90 M %, went up to 90% y, receded_ia. It 1 4 90 %, at which price they are at present; little do In the Foreign Market, Spanish Stock continues h( was done at 331, since which it has gone down to 3 21 guest rather maintains its price; done at 721. HALF-PAST As yet we have no arrivals from Portugal, or to communicate. Consols are at present 90: for the Account, wit h doing. In the Foreign Market there has been a continued Lion in the Spanish Bonds during the whole of th e ' they have been done at 32, and are at present 33 goose Stock in the early part of the morning was 1 ' which they may be quoted 721. In other Fore i g n there is little doing. It is just reported that a disturbance has ta ke" Paris. TBREE O'CLO Coneols for the Account, 901 . M ~. F". les rat. #; r)l 4. rt , verY ottie, • ctp Nr • Dcl " n jog, va or.-_ OO , , V. nc e 5 , ' l 3lO „eel° In Pi e 0