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the bitterest feelings of faction.--(Hear, hear.) The Noble Marquis had blamed the Noble Earl for dealing in personality. The Noble Marquis said that it had given hireconsiderable pain. - But, much as the Noble Marquis had complained, he did not seem to feel very acutely cn this occasion. Had he felt the' alleged personality so reverely, he would have shrunk a little more under it. But the Noble Marquis did not appear to be severely hurt at it, and he supposed that he could not assume a feeling if he bad it not.—(A laugh.) In short, the Noble 'Marquis took the matter too calmly, .he received the observations of his Noble Friend too much in good part, considering the alleged ferocity of the onslaught—(A laugh)—to in duce any person to believe that he was seriously incom moded by the attack.—(Hear, hear.} The Noble Mar quis said, that he was never personal ; but what did he think of a constant charge against Ministers of degrading the country under the feet of France? Is that no charge? But he (the Lord Chancellor) would appeal to any man in the House, except the Noble Marquis, if it could be a very agreeable thing to be told that he was the mover of all this Ministerial measures; that Ministerswere mere tools in the Noble Marquis's hands; that he inspired them; that their whole foreign policy was the dictate of his sense and wisdom : Spiritus intus alit, totosque infuse per artus ,liens agitat modem et magno se corpore miscet." But far worse was the complaint he had to make of these speeches of the Noble Marquis. He and some of those be acted with were constantly using topics of irritation to wards Fr ince, and doing all they could to plunge us into wars it seemed their whole object and their ruling desire. Was a Member to be selected for attack—a point of onset to he chosen ? Friendly disposition to France was the chosen theme of abuse. Was a charge to be pointed, and rendered snore fatal than all the rest ? The disposition to conciliate our great and powerful neighbour was always the burden of the accusation. Now in this country it might signify less, where the disposition of the Parliament and people, and the weight of the Noble Lord's authority, were better known. But the prophet having more honour out of his own country, his language was in France be lieved to be of far more serious import. Men saw a noble person, of high rank and connexion, frequently ad dressing the House, and always to the same point of in vective, irritation, and hostility. The Noble Lord, too, was a leader of the Opposition party in that House, ant it was thought he spoke the sentiments of his followers. He (the Lord Chancellor), as much as any man, abhorred all ideas of base truckling or submission to France, or to any Foreign Power. But he saw no spirit of aggression there : he was rejoiced to see a spirit of peace and friend ship prevail, and he deemed it his most sacred duty to meet it in the cordial feeling of mutual goodwill. France and England friends, can preserve the peace of the (Hear.) Let France be irritated into warlike courses, aro the whole human race is cursed with war. That it would be popular in the House and in the country to break tire peace, seemed the notion of some Noble Lords ; but it was none of his. On the contrary, he believed the Minister who rushed heedlessly into war, would suddenly forfeit hi. popularity, as he assuredly deserved to lose his head.— (Hear, hear.) lie could assure their Lordships, that the speeches in that House alarmed all our friends in France, and they were the best friends of peace. He could read private letters, as well as official ones, to prove the effect, daily produced by these inflammatory discussions, and those eavillings at our neighbours and their rulers. He was anxious to lift up his voice in solemn protestation against such perilous topics. He utterly denied that those whi Lure their heedless part in them, spoke the sentiments of any portion of the British people. He should not regret the trouble he had now taken and given to their Lordships if it gave him the occasion he cheerfully selzed, to utter this declaration in the face of Parliament and the country. He desired it might go on his authority and on his respon sibility, to France, where he knew it would carry comfort to all true friends of France and England, and peace, for they were tl.e same party and the same persons.—(Hear. hear.) It was with unbroken comfort and unspeakable delight that he pronounced the proposition, and alike in teresting to the country he belonged to and the crown hr served, and served all the more faithfully for proclaiming this truth—that the Minister who plunged the country into war would be overwhelmed with the loud, universal un sparing execration of the whole English, Scotch, and Irish people. But that execration, he added for himself, would not be more loud, nor more universal, nor more ur. sparing, than such madness and such wickedness well de served from the whole of that united people.— (Cheers.) The Marquis of LONDONDERRY would not be de terred by all the eloquence and all the power of language possessed by the Noble and Learned Lord from doing his duty. He did think that the efforts of the Noble and Learned Lord had failed, when he ventured forth with all his power and all his extraordinary language to heap on the Prince who was now reigning over Portugal all the abuse which he seemed to think him deserving of. The indivi dual had not been proved to be guilty, and lie ought to be considered innocent until he was so proved. He did not stand up to defend Don Miguel, but when there were state ments on one side and on the other, lie did object to the condemnation of that individual until both sides were ex amined. On this there could be no doubt, that Don Miguel was the acknowledged King of Portugal, however Noble Lords might quarrel with his title. He did not pre tend to be such a scholar as the Noble and Learned Lord ; he could not quote with so much facility as the Noble and Learned Lord did. lie could only compare the Noble and Learned Lord to Caesar : Ple cloth bestride this narrow world Like a Colossus, and we petty men Walk under Iris huge legs."—(Great laughter.) Should they not endeavour, then, to put him down, lao did all he could to get them tinder by the extraordinary lash of his eloquence?—(A laugh.) He really be lieved that the Noble and Learned Lord was brought to that House for the purpose of assisting those who, when questioned, wished to be s ilent.—(Cries of " Or der.") No sooner was a queetion asked, than the Noble and Learned Lord started up from the Woolsack, and took his position between it and that (the opposition) side of the House. for the purpose of— Lord HOLLAND rose to order. The assertion of the Noble Marquis, that the Noble and Learned Lord was sent to that House for sonic certain purpose, was extremely ir regular. It would be well if the Noble Marquis would check the profusion and ardour of his eloquence, which led him into assertions that were not at all reconcilable with order.--(Hear, hear.) The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, no man felt a greater wish to ply personal respect to every Member of that House than he did. But he must say, that coura tesy was not a lways observed towards him. He well re collected the observation made by the Noble and Learned Lord about braying his (Lord Londonderry's) bead in a mortar.—(Laughter.) Had the Noble Baron called tire Noble and Learned Lord to order on that occasion, lie thought that he would have been justified in doing so. But did any Noble Lord imagine that when the Noble and Learned Lord had attacked him as he had done, he would Pot attempt to answer it ? With respect to the remark which had been made on him, he would say that lie thought it would be a great blessing to the Constitution if the Noble and Learned Lord would allow himself to Inc brayed in a mortar first?—(Laughter.) He would ask of any Noble Lord whether the whole courae of the Noble and Learned Lord's speech was net decidedly personal? He should say little more at present, but lie would take other opportunities to answer what had been said by the Noble and Learned Lord as to our relations with Portugal and France. He bad never, although the Noble and Learned Lord bad asserted it, wished for a war with Fr a.uce. Let the Noble and Learned Lord prove the con trary, by any thing which he had said or done in that Howie. But he would assert, that the Governnient of this country, in the negotiations which had been carried on up to this time, bad shown a truckling spirit.—a fear of supporting this country's old ally, on account of our situation with France. lie alluded to the conduct of France, in robbing Portugal of her fleet, as a circumstance the most disgraceful that had ever been permitted by any administration of this country ; and that he would prove, when the proper time arrived. He could assure the Noble and Learned Lord, that he would not return to these per sonal attacks, unless the Noble Lord provoked hies, by endeavouring to put him down. He felt no desire to make personal attacks; but at the same time he was little dis posed to put up with them. The matter terminated here. The LORD CHANCELLOR put off the Committee on the Bankrupts' Court Bill until (as we understood) Tuesday, when he intimated that it should positively come on.—Adjourned. SO USE OF COMMONS, SEPTEMBER 14. Mr. BRISCOE presented a petition from inhabitants of Clapham and Battersea, against persecution for the ex p of religious opinions, and complaining of the sen tence passed upon Mr. Robert Taylor, The Earl of BELFAST presented petitions from Bel fast, and from various other places in Ireland, praying that the accustomed grant might not be withdrawn from the Kildare-street Society. Colonel TORRENS presented a petition from an indi vidual named George Fuller, a non-resident, freeman of the city of Canterbury, 'praying that he might not he deprived of his, franchise. Colonel TORRENS moved that an address be pre skented to his Majesty for copies of ,the , Royal instructions *eat out to Governors in New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land, respecting the mode of making allotments of Crown lands.—• Agreed to. . Mr. CHAPMAN presented a petition from a place in the county of Westmeath, praying for the introduction of a system of poor laws into Ireland. The Hon. IVember said that althomth he had votted against the vague resolu tion on this subject which an Hon. Member (Mr. Sadler) had brought forward the other night, yet he was quite prepared to give his support to any defined and rational [node of making a provision for the poor of Ireland. Mr. HUME presented a petition from persons engaged in the retail trades of the metropolis, praying that the House would be pleased to pass a law to prevent the car rying on of those trades on a Sunday. After a few words from Mr. PAGET, Mr. WILKS, and Mr. HUNT, the petition was ordered to lie upon the table. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from a parish in the minty of Galway, praying for the disarming of the yeomanry of Ireland. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the inha bitants of a parish in the county of Tipperary, praying that the House would re-assume the Church property in that county, and apply it to national purposes. Sir It. VYVYAN wi bed to know what was meant by the resumption of Church property on the part of that House? - Mr. O'CONNELL said that the meaning of the peti tioners was, that the Supreme Legislative power of the Sate should deal with that property as should appear best for the national interests. That the Legislature possessed such a power, was plain from what had been done at the period of the Reformation. He (Mr. O'Connell) fully agreed with the petitioners. Sir R. VYVYAN was not surprised to bear such senti ments from a Catholic Member. He supposed the object of the petitioners and of the Learned Gentleman was, that the property possessed by the Church should go back to the Catholics. Mr. O'CONNELL disclaimed any such desire on the part of the Catholics of Ireland,—all they wanted was, that those only who believed in the doctrines of a Church should be obliged to pay for its support. Mr. HUME was not a Catholic Member, and yet he en tertained precisely the same opinions as the Hon. Member for Kerry on this subject.—(Hear.) They had been too long meally-mouthed on this subject. It was high time for them to speak out. There was not an individual whom he met out of doors who did not agree with him with re gard to what should be done with the Church property. Mr. LEFROY wished to correct what be was sure was a misrepresentation of a speech which bad been made by the lion. Member for Kerry on a former evening, and which had been given in the public Journals. The Hon. Member was made in that speech to assert that two-thirds of the beneficed Clergy in Ireland were non-resident, and that their duties were discharged by curates. That was a gross mis.statement. There were 1,295 beneficed incum bents in Ireland, and it appeared from the latest returns, that 1,132 of those were resident. In the same speech, the Learned Gentleman was made to say, with re gard to the Rev. Archdeacon Magee, that he was in the possession of eleven livings. The real fact was, that he had only two livings and two sinecures. He (Mr. Lefroy) would maintain, that the property of the Church was as inalienable, and as sacred, as the private property of in dividuals. Sir J. SEI3RIG HT said, that if the people of England were obliged to support a Catholic clergy, they would feel very indignant at being called on to do so ; and he sup posed that a somewhat similar feeling pervaded the Ca tholic people of Ireland. He was for treating the pro fessors of all religious alike ; and he was sorry to say that he had frequently heard the doctrines of bigotry broached in that House. He did hope that the enlightenment of the ige would banish these prejudices, which seemed to have preserved their last testing-place in this self-extolling ,country.—(Hear. ) Colonel BERESFORD was as anxious as the Hon. Hember to see bigotry exiled from that House ; but he would maintain that Church property was sacred and in viobble. Mr. O'CONNELL said that his statement bad been uroved by the [-lon. Member for the Dublin University, with reference to Archdeacon Magee. That Rev. Gen lemma held four livings—one of which, the Wicklow Union, contained six parishes, making ten altogether; .nd in addition had received, just before his father's death, the golden prebendary of Swords—altogether eleve❑ liv ings.—(Hear.) What he had said and repeated, with re garti to the non-residence of the incumbents in Ireland was, that, in three of the provinces of Ireland, two-thirds of the livings were not occupied. In his own parish, for example, there were 5,000 Catholic inhabitants, while there were but 20 Protestants; and of these 20, but five were actual residents, the other 15 being the English coast-guard. What would be thought of such a state of things in England? Mr. J. GRATTAN thought that a portion of the pro perty of the Church should be applied to the relief of ti :e poor, and the repairs of the churches. He confirmed the statement of the Hon. Member for Kerry, with respect to 'he indecent pluralities enjoyed by the son of the late Arch- bish , p Magee. Mr. HUNT wished to know why they should take awl} , from the Church of Ireland or England any portion of its property, unless they were at the same time pre pared to lessen the spoils which the minion families of Henry VIII. received at the time of the Reformation, as the reward of their zeal in promoting it ? Mr. SHAW said the real fact was, that two or three Small chapelries were united in the union of Wicklow, each unable to support a clergyman, and that one of the sinecures of which Mr. Magee was accused was his arch deac,inry in the county of Galway. He maintained that unless religion were supported by the State, it would not be sought after by the people.—(Oh, oh.) The question was, were they or were they not to have a Church establish ment in Ireland? It was evidently the object of its op ponents to destroy it. After a few words from Mr. H. GRATTAN, Mr. NORTH, Mr. LAMBERT, and Captain GORDON, the petition was ordered to lie on the table. TREGONY ELECTION. Mr. O'CONNELL, in rising to renew the adjourned debate upon the petition of Mr. Gurney, felt himself bound, in the first instance, to declare that the petitioner did not mean to convey any imputation upon the Election Committee. The first questio❑ was, whether the subject of the petition was one of petitionary appeal. He bad no doubt that the sitting Member had a right to levy costs; but in this case they had been levied upon the individual who had signed the recognizances, instead of upon both of the persona who had signed the petition. But the costs were levied upon the Speaker's warrant, which being final and conclusive in a court of law, the suffering party could not proceed against the other petitioner for the amount of his share of the costs. He wished the case to be referred to a Select Committee, but at present he should only move that the petition do lie on the table. The SPEAKER recapitulated,the case, and stated to the House that the first point for consideration was, whether the petition could be received or not. The Committee had decided that the petition against the return for Tregony was frivolous and vexatious. The costs had been properly taxed, he bad granted his certificate as Speaker, and which by the law was to have the effect of judgment entered up against the complainant. Only one petitioner instead of both bad been put into the report, and upon him the costs had been ;evied. It was not competent for the Speaker to enter the meri►s of the case, although he might consi- der the legality of las warrat. The questio❑ was, couhl the House constitute itself into a court of appeal? The next point wag, that the House should be informed of the cii eutnstances which guided the taxers in their decision that the person who had signed the recognizance was the pet son liable to the costs. Mr. O'CONNELL begged leave to withdraw the peti tion, the statement of the Right lion. Speaker being op posed to its ;e~eption. SUGAIi. REFINERY BILL. Mr. SURGE—(Lord Althorp having moved the order of the day for the further consideration of the report of the Reform 13iI1)—begged leave to know what day the Noble Lord would fix foe the further consideration of the report on the Sugar Refinery Bill. The large mi nority, or rather the very trifling majority the other evening on that Bill, evinced the anxiety and neces sity of a thorough discussion of its principle and pro bable operation, and it was plain such a discussion could not be eusurgd, if the order of the day be moved af-er the House had coucknied its labours for the day, that is, two o'clock in the morning, when lion. Members would naturally betake themselves to repose ; as would be the case, unless the Noble Lord consented to fix a day apart for the discussion. Ile bad an amendment to propoze when the question should come. before the Howe, to the effect that a Select Committee should inluire into the effect on the West Indian interests of the proposed plan of home refining. Lord ALTHORP could not then fix a day for the dis cussion, but would give due notice so as to afford Hon. Members the opportunity they desired of expressing their n t u he m n be to r t o it f m ho o u f se ll o r l . de C r i s to a Ls ess a sentiments on the Bill. , ed r e a t t u n o s l. tv i e n r t e h e o r p d a e r r i e o d , of t O he n and borough of Appleby. REFORM BILL. The Order of the Day wag then read, for the further consideration of the report of the Committee on the Re farm of Parliament (England) Bill. Clauses 31, 32, 33, and to 44, were read, and, with .ome merely verbal amendments, agreed to. Upon that part of clause 45 which directs Justices of ihe Peace in quarter sessions to divide their respective counties into convenient districts for polling, and to ap point in each district a convenient place for taking the poll at future elections of Knights of the Shire, in such manner that no person shall have to travel more than fifteen miles from the property in respect to which he claims to vote, a short conversation arose, but the result was, the clause was allowed to stand, as amended in the Committee. The other clauses of the Bill were then gone through, and the several amendments agreed to, and others (chiefly verbal alterations) added. Mr. Alderman WOOD proposed a clause making it im perative on the clerks of the different Livery Companies of the city of London to furnish every year to the Town clerk, a return of the different Liverymen in each Com pany entitled to vote. Lord ALTHORP agreed that, from the peculiar nature of the local regulations of the city of London, such a clause was necessary. Mr. GOULBURN complained that the wording of this clause was almost as long as the Bill itself. It introduced into the city of London a regulation which was nut to prevail in other parts of the kingdom. In that city the clerks of the Livery Companies were to make out a list of tine voters—ill other places, that list was to be made out by the overseers of the parish in which the voters resided. The clause was then agreed to. Colonel SIBTHORPE moved, "that all freeholders, whose freeholds in the county of the city of Lincoln are situated on the northern side of the river Witham, shall vote in future for the representatives o' Parliament for the division of Lindsey, in the county of Lincoln; and all freeholders whose freeholds are situated on the southern side of the aforesaid river Witham, in the said city, in cluding the four parishes annexed by charter to the said county of the city of Lincoln, shall vote in future as free holders for the representatives in Parliament for the divi sions of Kesteven and Holland; and that the same rights and powers of exercising the elective franchise, inasmuch as applies, by the present Bill, to leaseholders and copy holders in counties generally, be extended to, and exercised in future by, the leaseholders and copyholders within the city and county of the city of Lincoln, with regard to the proposed respective divisions." Lord ALTHORP objected to the Hon. Member's pro posed mode of dividing the county of Lincoln. He wa inclined to prefer the division as it stood in the Bill a t present. After a few words from Mr. CROKEIL, Mr. `FILES, and Lord J. RUSSELL, Colonel SIBTI-lORPE withdrew his motion, giving notice that he would propose it again on the third reading of the Bill. Colonel SIBTHORPE moved the introduction of some words to disqualify all persons holding official civil situa tions under the Crown from voting at elections for Mem bers of Parliament. Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Hon. Member's pro position ought to form the subject of a separate 13ill. If it should be brought forward in that shape, he would give it his best consideration. Sir C. WETHERELL was surprised, as the Noble Lord expressed a partiality for separate Bills, that he had not divided the matter which was stuffed into the Reform Bill, into 25 separate Bills. . . Mr. SFIAW availed himself of this opportunity of de nying the correctness of the charges which bad on a for mer evening been brought against him and an }lon. Friend of his, resp.cting their conduct at the Dublin election. Sir R. VYVYAN expressed his surprise that Ministers had not introduced into the Bill some provision of the same nature as that proposed by the Hon. Member. Lord ALTHORP objected to the amendment. Mr. CROKER said, that being of opinion that dis franchisement was carried too far by the Bill already, he must oppose the amendment. Colonel SIBTHORPE then withdrew his amendment. Mr. CROKER said he would propose two amendments. merely for the purpose of recording his opposition to the Bill to the last moment. He would not divide the House, nor raise any debate upon the occasion. He then moved, that all the words in the first and second clause, after the word " that," be omitted ; the effect of which would have been to render the clauses mere blanks. The amendments were put and negatived. Lord ALTHORP moved, that in the 13th clause (which confers one additional Member on the counties named therein), the counties of Denbigh and Carmarthen be inserted. Lord STORMONT asked on what principle the Noble Lord was proceeding? Lord ALT I-lORP'S answer was not audible. After some observations from Sir George Warreader, Mr. Croker, Sir C. Wetherell, and Sir J. Owen, the amendment was agreed to. Mr. L. KNIGHT complained that a return, which he had moved for on the 17th of August, of a copy of the letters-patent under which the Governor of the Isle of Wight holds that office, was not yet laid upon the table. It related to a question of considerable importance, namely, whether there was a Sheriff in the island or not. Lord ALTHORP said his Hon. Learned Friend, the Attorney-General, was not then in the House, but he be lieved he had ascertained that the Governor was Sheriff of the island by his patent. Mr. L. KNIGHT said that if the Governor was the Sheriff, of which there was no proof before the House, it was a great constitutional anomaly, that as military officer he should execute the office of Sheriff. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that he had no means of stating why the return had not been made. As to the Governor being a military officer, every Sheriff in England had a military power. Mr. GOULBURN observed that patents were recorded in the proper office, and the information might be procured from thence. They were not bound to send to the Go vernor for a copy. Mr. J. CARTER said that he had been informed that the Governor of the Isle of Wight was Sheriff by his patent, and that the duties of the office were performed by the steward as his deputy, and from whom he had his informal ion. Mr. CHOKER observed that his information was mere hearsay, and he doubted it. Mr. KNIGHT repeated that it was of great importance that this information should be before the House ; he had mentioned it in the Committee twice, and several times privately to gentlemen connected with his Majesty's Go vernment. A discussion then took place as to the person whose province it was to enforce the order, which led to no result. Lord ALTHORP then moved the omission of the pro viso in the 16th clause, " that nothing herein contained shall take away, or in any manner affect, the right of vot ing in the election of a Knight or Knights of the Shire, at present enjoyed by any person, or which may hereafter accrue to any person according to the laws now in force, in respect to any freehold property, rent charges, annui ties, or any other right of voting now by law enjoyed in relation to the election of a Knight or Knights of the Shire." The reason of the omission, (as we understood) was, that the words were unnecessary. They were ac cordingly expunged. Lord ALTHORP then moved a verbal amendment in the 33d clause, which was agreed to. Lord J. RUSSELL said he had an amendment to pro pose in clause 42. As that clause at present stood, it gave an Election Committee the poorer to alter the poll, and to direct that the return should be amended, but it did not give the Committee the power of altering the register. He would therefore propose to insert the words " and may direct the register to be amended." After a protracted conversation, the purport of which it was impossible to catch, the amendment was agreed to. Lord ALTHORP moved that the proviso at the end of clause 44 be struck out. The proviso was, " that nothing in this Act contained shall prevent any Sheriff or other re turning officer, or their lawful deputies, from closing the poll previous to the expiration of the time fixed by this Act, in any case where the same might have been lawfully closed before the passing of the Act." The Noble Lord said, that this proviso was unnecessary here, because the proviso at the end of clause 48 was to the same effect. After a few words from Mr. BARING, Mr. WY NN, and Lord J. RUSSELL, respecting the time allowed for elections under the Bill, the motion of Lord Althorp was agreed to. Lord J. RUSSELL moved that in clause 49 the words " public notice in writing" be substituted for the words " public notice."—Agreed to. The next was clause 50 : on its being read, Lord ALTIIORP said, that acting upon the suggestion of an lion. Relative of his, he would propose the introduc tion of a provision into this clause to enable returning officers to hire houses for the purpose of taking the poll instead of erecting booths, if they should 20 think fit, such houses to be liable to all the regulations which applied to booths under similar circumstances. Au amen d men t t o that effect was accordingly intruduccd into the clause, which was then put and agreed to, Th e re being no other amendments in the clauses, the House proceeded to schedule A, and Mr. T. DUNCOMBE rose to bring forward the amend ment of which he had given notice, for transferring the borough of Aldborough from schedule B to schedule A, and thereYy depriving it altogether of the right of returning a Member to Parlament. He should not, he said, persist in this motion if he for asmoment thought that it was o posed to the principle of this schedule, which had attracte more of the public admiration than any other part of the Bill, or if he did not consider that such amendment was in strict conformity with the general principle of the Bill. As a Reformer he could not permit such a blemish on the representation of the country as this Aldborough was, to exist, but he would endeavour, if he could, to remove it. In the first Reform Bill which had been introduced by Mi nisters, Aldborough stood at the head of schedule A. It was afterwards, however, transferred to schedule B, but upon what representation, or rather misrepresentation, his Majesty's Ministers had been induced to take such a step, be could ❑ot say. He should, at all events, like to know who the physician was by whom such a miraculous change had been effected in old Aldborough's constitution. (A laugh.) The population of Boroughbridge, which joined Aldborough, amounted to 900; that of Aldborougb itself to 400 ; making a total population of men, women, and children of 1,100. The other places which were in cluded in order to raise the populaticn of Aldborough be yond the line 2,000 had no connexion at all with that in significant borough. It was true that Boroughbridge was a tolerable decent place. It could boast of a good inn, a coal-yard, a timber-yard, and a resident apothecary.— (A laugh.) It was also a market-town, and there was a fair, too, held there, which was famous for the riotous and drunken scenes enacted at it—principally caused, be must say, by the Scotchmen who came there.—(Much laugh ter.) If the constitw•nts in Boroughbridge and Aldbo rough were entitled to retain the franchise, why not incorporate them with Ripon ? or he would say, let them give this Aldborough Member to Doncaster, by which means they would not deprive the county of York of a Member. Boroughbridge and Aldbo borough had been too long a disgrace to the representative system of this country ; and why, he would ask, should one of them be still retained? Was it to be left like cer tain houses of ill-fame in Vienna, which were allowed to remain standing, while houses of a similar description i❑ the subu►bs of that city were pulled down ? He would call on the enemies of the present nomination systeal to support this amendment. He hoped that, in justice to Gatton and Old Sarum, they would extinguish this Ald borough, the prototype of insignificance and corruption. The Hon. Member concluded by proposing his amendment. Sir W. INGILBY seconded the motion, and, in doing so, expressed a hope that Aldborough would be deprived of a right to which it was not at all entitled. Lord J. RUSSELL would put this case simply on these grounds. His Majesty's Ministers had, in framing this schedule, adopted a well known rule, and as that rule ex cluded from this scheduie all boroughs which had more than 2,000 inhabitants, this borough obtained the benefit of that exception. It was true that Aldborough in the first instance stood in this schedule, but it having been subsequently represented to Ministers that by adding the borough and the pat ish together, the population would amount to more than 2,000, and they having found, on consulting the population returns, that that representation was correct, Aldborough was excluded front schedule A, and transferred to schedule B. Beyond that statement he had little to say why Aldborough should not be in• eluded in this schedule. He did not think that his Hon. Friend had made a sufficiently precise or accurate state ment, such as would warrant the House in corning to the conclusion that in this borough, in the parish, and in the immediate neighbourhood, there was not a sufficient number of 101. householders to entitle it to send one Member to Parliament. Wishing to preserve as nearly as possible the principle of the Bill as originally brought for ward, and thinking it better that they should avoid depart ing from that rule which had been laid down and acted upon in making out these schedules, he should feel it his duty to oppose the amendment proposed by his Hon. Friend. Mr. CLINTON said, that the electors of Aldborough lad never considered it a boon to be removed front schedule A to B, and they were not unwilling to be removed to schedule A ; but as their present position was consistent with the general principles of the Bill, he should oppose the motion. Lord MORPETH maintained that the present position of Aldborough was strictly in accordance with the prin ciples of the Bill. He was of opinion that other places in Yorkshire would be better in schedule B than this bo rough ; but as all such points had been discussed in the very long progress of the Bill through the Committee, he did net think the House ought to travel again over such cases. Sir C. WETHERELL said, that the Duke of New castle had never solicited for his borough of Aldborough to be transferred from schedule Ato schedule B. Although he should vote with Ministers on this occasion, his asso ciation with such a bad, blundering, mischievous, delusive, company, would be but for a moment, and to this mo mentary association be was driven by a hard necessity.— (Laughter.) Mr. H. BULWER supported the motion. Mr. CROKER said, he could not vote with the Hon. 31,mber, as he could never consent to the disfranchisement of any borough. Neither could he vote against him, for that would have the effect of placing it in schedule B. He was not disposed to place it in either schedule. After a few words from Sir J. JOHNSTONE, Sir G. WARRENDER, and Mr. FANE, The House divided, when there appeared— For the amendment 149 Against it Majority for Ministers The Marquis of CHANDOS moved that the borough of Evesham be transferred from schedule B to schedule A. After some conversation, however, the Noble Marquis, upon the suggestion of Sir C. WETHERELL, withdrew his motion. CROKER moved that the borough of Downton should be expunged from schedule A. The House then divided, when there appeared__ For the motion Against it Majority in favour of Minister. 53 The further consideration of the report having been post poned until this day, the other Orders of the Day were disposed of, and the House adjourned at a Quarter past Two o'clock. PUBLIC FEELING AT GLASGOW. GLASGOTV, SEPT. 9. (From a Correspondent of the Times.) Lest it please Sir William Rae to say any more about physical force, I think it right to let you know that the Glasgow procession of yesterday was the most beautiful and gratifying sight I ever beheld. I was there about eleven o'clock. The whole neigh bourhood for some miles was in obvious motion. I went and looked from the Court-house to the Green, in the centre of which there was a large wooden stage, which was the hustings in the forenoon, and the place for a display of tire-works by the mass in the evening. All around it was one wide sea of heads and flags. I then went with my wife and daughter to the Provost's house. The people in the Green began about twelve o'clock to file off, by trades, villages, workshops, and went down the Gallowgate, up the High-street, along George street, up St. Vincent-street, down to Argyll street East, along the Tron- gate, back to the Green, and there dispersed. They took St. Vincent-street in order to pass the Provost's house whom they cheered as they passed. They were led by the head of the police on a charger and with a truncheon. Then followed the carters on horseback, to the amount of from 300 to 500, arranged accord ing to the colour of their horses, and all loaded with ribands or bonnets, tails, and manes. The greys went first, expressly in honour of the head of the Ad ministration. They were succeeded by a countless host, which, walking always three abreast, took above two hours to pass; all waving with flags, em blems, and devices of all kinds, and every body bear ing beautiful models of their work. Among these last were many exquisite steam engines, looms, print ing-presses, piano-fortes, coaches, and steam-boats, all going. Nothing surprised me so much as the endless bands of music—on an average consisting of 15 players—and good players. Their flags, &c. were all full of loyalty and Reform. The Provost, the Sheriffs, &c. and others were on the watch, and w e could not detect one single allusion to Hunt ; and of thousands, only two tri-coloured flags, and these, from their accompaniments, plainly not meant to be French in their principle. Every thing was Lord Grey," " Lord Brougham," " The King," (t Reform," " Economy," and " No Boroughmon gers I only observed about a doz en sol diers, and not three dozen in all o f po lice, all either assisting or enjoying the sight; yet I never saw a crowd where a lady or a child was more safe, they were all in such perfect good hu mour. In point of fact, I walked with my wife and daughter from tine Tontine, where we hail first gone, to the Provost's in St. Vincent-street, with perfect ease. Old D—, the banker, and Clelland, the statist, astounded me by computing the show to have cost at the least 100,0004, but this assumed every workman, male and female, inn and round Glasgow, to have been idle three days. Their devices, mostly of silk e end their bands, must have been very dear. They were all, even the spectators, in their best clothes, arid all with Reform aprons or ribands. I did not stay to see their fire-works in the evening,' which was a very judicious measure by the authori ties, for it kept them off the streets, and enabled them to get easily away. They had no illumination. King Crispin was really as glorious, to the eye, as George the Fourth, when he entered Edinburgh. He had not only a Lord Chancellor, Pages, Duke, &c., but a presiding Judge, dressed in the full and exact costume of the Lord Presi dent. Many of the portions which had brought petitions to the King or Parliament, or got them signed on the green, bore them aloft in the pro cession. O'Connell's glory was only blazoned on one flag, on which he and Joseph were crowning the King. But ji speaking of the banners, some allowance must b for our not seeing precisely what they contained, as it was a calm day, and they were not always legibly displayed. There was no approach to any thing resembling intoxication, quarrelling, or confusion. All the authorities seemed quite easy, or rather merry; and if, as I hope, the evening passed like the day, it was a very honourable day for the people. No eye, but the jaundiced eye of a timid Tory, could avoid being gratified by the sight of a population organized so as to be fearful if outraged, but a source of great, easy, and certain solidity to society, if de cently managed. There were probably not much above 5,000 in the actual procession, but the whole population in and round Glasgow was in the Green, the streets, and the houses. The precession closed by the butchers, who had, in their van, a bullock, rode by a boy,and adorned as if for a Greek sacrifice. COURT CIRCULAR. Their MAJESTIES gave a grand dinner on Tuesday evening at their Palace of St. James's. Among the party were the Duke of SUSSEX, the Duchess of GLOUCESTER, the Princess AUGUSTA, the Pruss'an Minister and Baroness BuLow, the Swedish Minister and Countess BJORNST JERNA, the Neapolitan Minister and Countess LUDOLF ; the Bavarian, Hanoverian, and Wurtemberg Ministers; Count LOWENHIELM, the Swedish Minister at the Court of France ; the Duke of DEVONSHIRE, the Marchioness of WESTMEATH, Viscount PAL3tErtsToN, Lord and Lady CLINTON, Lord and Lady 13nowNuow, Lady JESIIMA BENTINCK, Sir WILLIAM FRE3IANTLE, Sir FREDERICK. WATSON, Sir BENJAMIN STEPHENSON, Mr. Under Se cretary BACKHOUSE. The dinner was served in the Banquetting-room. In the evening the Queen's private band were in attendance, and performed several pieces for the gratification of the company. The KING gave audience yesterday to Lord Hor.LANo. His MAJESTY, accompanied by the Princess AUGUSTA, and attended by the Surveyor-General of the Board of Works, took an airing yesterday afternoon in a carriage and four to the old Palace at Kew. The Duchess of GtoucKsTeit and the Princess SOPIIIA visited the QUEEN yesterday. The Duke and Duchess of CUMBERLAND entertained a select party at dinner on Tuesday evening, at their resi dence i❑ the Palace at St. James's. The Russian, Austrian, and French Ambassadors, the Prussian Minister, Count MATusvEvicz, on a special mis sion from Russia, and Baron DE WessoNnu KG, on a special mission irons Austria, had a conference for up wards of an hour with Viscount PALMERSTON, yesterday, at the Foreign-office. Baron ZUYLEN BE NYEYELT, on a special mission from the Netherlands, and the Belgian Mi nister, transacted business at the Foreign-office, yesterday. After the conference a Cabinet Council was held, which was attended by the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, Earl GREY, Viscounts MELBOURNE, PALMERSTON, GODERICII, and ALTHORP, the Earl of CARLISLE, the Right Honourable CHARLES GRANT, Sir JAMES GRAHAM, Lord HOLLAND, Lord JOHN RUSSELL, and Mr. STANLEY. The Ministers sat in deliberation about an hour and a halt. The Danish Minister visited Viscount PALMERSTON yesterday at the Foreign-office. Viscount ALTHORP entertained the LORD Cuax cirt.Lott, the Earl of ESSEX, Viscounts PALMERSTON, MELBOURNE, and Howler:, Sir G. RoniNsow, Messrs. GRENFELL, G. PONSONBY, G. LAMB, ELLICE, and Titostrsow, at dinner, on Sunday, at his resilience in Downing -street. Westminster Abbey will remain open for public inspec tion this day and to-morrow (Friday), but will be closed on Friday afternoon. At the Levee on Tuesday the KING was pleased to confer the honour of knighthood upon HENRY BROMLEY HiNnicn, Esq., the Lieutenant of the Hon. Band of Gen tlemen Pensioners. PRINCESS VICTORIA. LAYING THE FOUNDATION STONE OF A NEW CHAPEL AT EAST COWES. COWES, Sv.i.r. 14.—This morning, about twelve o'clock, her Royal Highness the Princess Victoria, her mother (the Duchess of Kent), the Duchess of Northumberland, Sir John Conroy, Mr. Nash, and many of the Nobility and gentry of the neighbourhood, accompanied by a mili tary band from Newport, the different clubs with their various banners, and the children of the several national scho.ls of the island, walked in procession from Norris Castle to a field adjoining East Cowes, for the purpose of laying the foundation stone of a new chapel of ease to Whippingham church. After a hymn had been sung by the children the young Princess came forward and, as sisted by Mr. Nash, deposited the various coins, &c., spread the mortar, and finally lowered the stone to its proper place. Appropriate prayers were then read by the Rev. Mr. Bouverie ; after which the Royal party entered their carriages and drove off amidst the cheers of the spectators. A royal salute from Norris Castle announced the arrival, and a salute from several guns placed in an adjoining field the departure, of the Royal party. A plen tiful dinner was provided for the children on the spot. LIST OF BRITISH PREMIERS. The following list of the different British Prime Mini sters during the reigns of George 111. and George IV., and William IV., is interesting, as showing the compara tive duration of the various Administrations : Appointed. Duke of Newcastle Earl of Bute 0 9th May 176 , ) Geo. Grenville (father of the present Lord Grenville) loth April 1763 Marquis of Buckingham l2th July 1765 Duke of Grafton '2d August 17611 Lord North (afterwards Earl of Guilford) '.kith January 177 U Marquis of Rockingham 3Cth March 1782 Earl of Shelburne 13th July 1782 Duke of Portland sth April 17813 William Pitt 0 7th Dec. 1783 Henry Addington (now Viscount Sidmouth) I7th March 1801 William Pitt re-appointed l2th May 1804 Lord Grenville sth January 1806 Duke of Portland 11ith March 1807 Spencer Perceval •''kl June 1810 Earl of Liverpool 4th June 181:1 George Canning 11th April 1827 Viscount Goderich 10th August 18r7 Duke of Wellington llth January 18•.28 Earl Grey " . 2d Nov. 1830 Calculating from this it n'ould appear that the average duration of a 'Ministry is about eight years. HERNE BAY.—Above 1,000 piles have been driven of the new pier, which now stretches into the ocean a distance of '7OO feet. It has been ascertained that the quality of the soil will preserve the work front the ravages of the worm, than which few insects are ino7e destructive. Miss CHAMBERS, the only (laughter of a once eminent banker, appeared, from the greatest distress, one night at the Theatre, Liverpool, last week, to a most crowded audience, whose plaudits were unceasing ; at other times, when her treat beauty and misfortunes touched their sympathy, a pin might have been heard to drop. Having a private engagement at Brighton she left Liverpool early the next morning. After Christmas she will prove the most brilliant star in the theatrical hemi sphere. This is the only instance of a lady presented at Court in the reign of GEORGE the Fourth, and moving in the highest circles of rank and talent, appearing on the boards. Although it must be owned, that of all the modes of destruction, perhaps the most appalling is that of falling from an immense height into the void—of the hor rors of which some idea may be formed from our feelings in dreams—yet I have seen persons of such nerve that they would stand with one foot upon the extreme verge of a precipice six or eight hundred feet high, and stretch the other over the abyss, while the looker-on would shudder and feel his flesh creep—and such are the different modifi cations of courage, that while the simple islander, who would probably tremble in battle, swings over the most frightful rocks without fear—the soldier, who has faced charges of cavalry and stormed batteries of cannon, would shrink from the edge of doom, and feel his brain reel and his heart sicken in essaying the trade of the bird-catcher. .--Aberdeen Chronicle. FRENCH PAPERS. (From the Gazette de France of Tuesday, Sept* IS.l b f PARIS, SEPT. 12.—We have just receive' s, estafette a letter from London, which infor ms ti or t that according to a protocol signed by the fire v " nc il hers of the Conference, and accepted by the ' re- d r Government, France is excluded from all the s , liberations relative to the demolition of the for trO tt It is affirmed that the 12,000 French troops have remained in Belgium, will return to Franc e the end of the month. We have a letter from Toulon, which s,lys -- d t The Afeuse corvette, with troops on boar sailed yesterday for Oran. The Be/lona frig likewise with troops, is just setting out. Ge ri° Boyer is on board. " Admiral Hugon will certainly hoist his flag t ie r", morrow on board the beautiful frigate iphig ei t i e This circumstance added to the order to disoi n e the Algiers and the Trident, of the line, indiefit., that the projected expedition lately talked of given up, uole,s, indeed, some other Admiral sh° he intended to take the command, or the de ctior tion of the Iphigenie for the Levant should be changed." 1104 " A letter from Douai of the 10th of Septenwr, say--" The day before yesterday detachments o, tillery, and of the train of the parks, arrived ; Douai, coming from the army of the north, to, r ,. main in garrison there. The Bth regiment of re,. main rassiers, coming from the army and going to Arrt/- will stop at Douai to-night." - A letter from Valenciennes, of the 10th, s a Y 5 O ( " We have official information, that by an order the Minister of War, the camp which is forming the environs of Maubeuge will be of 18,000 I'd 20,000 men. The head-quarters of Marshal Gerat will he at Maubeuge to-day." We hear that the custom-house officers of ninete e : departments are going to be formed into milit sri battalions. (From the Moniteur of Monday, Sept. 12.) (PRIVATE CORRESPONDENCE.) n on nil BARCELONA, SEPT. 2.-The Russian Yermoloff arrived here this week, coming from ' l . r lencia; the day after to-morrow he will embar k 0 1 Genoa. It appears that the journey of this Gov ° .., is connected with some diplomatic intrigue. A dreadful fire has just destroyed a part of the pretty town of Bani!ounette, situated under i e. walls of our city towards the sea. The fire was ° lc , casioned by the imprudence of some workmen rog r o ing with a h o t i ro n some cas k s , c ontaining 4 11 of wine. 4 ,,„E St3f' FRENCH FUNDS, PARIS, SEPT. 12.-Five per Cents., 50c. 10c. 88f. 85T. 90c. 87f. 75c. 70c. 75c. 85c. 9ue. 85c. 75c. 0 7 6 0 c.; 87f. 45c. 50c. 40c. 45c. 40c. 45c. 40c. ; Loan of 1831, 5 7 .„ pc , Four per Cents., 71f. 25c. ; Three per Cents., 60f. 59f. 7 3 .,,c14 90c. Mc. 80c. 70c. 60c. 50c. 59f. 40c. 30c. 40c. 30c. ; Bank u ''" en te 1,540 f. ; Rente de N a ple s , 69f. 30 c . 69f. 68f. 80c. 69f ; d'Espagne, 10 1 4 10 RN ' • Royal Spanish Loan, 63% Perpetuelle d'Espagne, 47% % %M. Exchange °"5.5t i don, one month, paper, 25f. 10c. ; three months, paper , money, 24f. 95c.--fours Authentique. (From thq : Morning Herald.) uE We have just received all the Paris Paperg Tuesday, and some b ear i ng y es t er d a y' s date; „ wise an address in favour of the heroic Poles to 0 . King of Bavari a f rom th e Rh en i s h B avar i a n subje t :, The accounts from P ar i s g i ve grea t as s u rance on ti l t faith of privat e l etters , d ate d on t h e 6th insta n ; from Berlin, th at t h e P o l es h ave compelled tb Russian army to re t rea t f rom t h e v i c i n i t y o f Walla ', where the hi g h es t ent h us i asm p reva il e d, and , people continued determined to conquer or die. re The cases of cholera at Berlin on the 6th we er 49 sick, one only cure d, 31 d ea d, 17 s till tin u i treatment. It had no t br o ken out, as was repor te ; at Vienna, on the 2d i nstant , b u t grea t tum ults P r ,, vailed in Hungary betw een the p ea santry and t ro ", authorities; the former resisting by force of li r the sanitary precautions. The 12,000 men of the French northern 13 , 111' e " , were certainly (according to our Private v i e ! respondent) to be withdrawn, although the act ° order had not issued on Tuesday. 1 1 The following were the closing prices of Tuesday French Funds : PARIS STOCK EXCHANGE, SEPT. 13.—Five per Cents. •-• 881. 87f. 90c. 85c. Mc. 70c. 80c. 85c. 95c. 90c. ; New Loatdi 50c. ; Three per Cents., 59f. 30c. 59f. 70c ; Bank Actions, Bentes de Naples, 09f. 69f. 15c. 30c. • ' ' Bente d'Esi gne_, Royal Spanish Loan, 6314 ; Rente Perpetuelle a d'EsPf ir r 4734 y, 3,i. Exchange on London, one month, paper, 25f. three months, paper, 25f. ; Money, 24f. 95c. BRUSSELS PAPERS. BRUSSELS, SEPT. 13.—A letter from Vie fir r o r dated the Ist inst., says—" It is reported to-Jo, 'Change that the Russians, having attacked a bay tery erected in front of Warsaw, were repulsed I great loss. From this commencement it is °; eluded that the place will be obstinately defend e tt and that the prompt retreat of the Polish armY the capital was for the purpose of concentrating force, while the Russians arc obliged to divide th e '„ i to defend themselves on both banks. It besides ee' t pears that the town does not wan t su ppli es , and th ,3 the siege may last long." LEIPSIC, SEPT. 7.—Berlin, Magdeburg, 3. 4 Pilnitz are invad e d by the cholera. This scourge only ten leagues from us. Every moment it 1131 ' 1 break out here. The affairs of Poland are enveloped in t it greatest myst er y. H owever it a pp ears c e rtain th e , in consequence of a reverse the Russians a re r r treating precipit a t e ly, h app il y f or P o l an d, b u t un i.o 4 tunately for European tranquillity : for the conte f i ) will thus be indefinitely prol o n ge d, if th e Powers not interfere efficaciously to prevent it. .TILE HAGUE, SETT. 11. 01 " ORDER OF THE DAY.-FOR THE ARMY '' THE FIELD. " I announce to th e ar m y by th e pr es e n t order 0 , A i day, that I have received from his Majesty the King vial information, with orders to communicate it to the to the several governors of fortresses, and the c ommanu er o of detached corps un d er my or d ers , t h at h ost ili t i e s bete e t , Holland and Belgium are suspended for six weeks, vi bie lc commenced on the 29th of August last, at twelve oclg at noon, to Monday the 10th of October next. (Signed) " Th e P r i nce o f ORAlst (Countersigned) " Li eut .-C o l one l NEFRP " Head-quarters at Tilburg, Sept. S." on Friday evening the Prince of Orange w e ep t from Tilburg to Grave, and then to Nimegue"t inspect those two fortresses and the troops in ga r ', l son there. His Royal Highness was expected the last town on Saturday morning. Ths garris° was to have been under arms, and the inhabit ant , were adorning their houses in honour of the c o ' mander-in-Chief; several triumphal arches wear erected. We expect his Royal Highness her e t " night. Prince Frederick arrived at noon. It is said that their Majesties and the Royal f ir mily will go to Amsterdam this week, but the ` l _, B, does not seem to be fixed. It is said that the u`; partments of Finance, th e Interior, and some oth er "' will undergo a new organizition. 1 , en Several cflicers of the infantry have lately u e- n ,, rewarded with th e i ns i gn i a o f th e O r d er of On the 10 t h th e th ree rema i n i ng companies ° the Amsterdam militia were to leave Bois-le - D,, ' to join the b a t ta li on i n th e e n v i rons o f Helma ° '; To-morrow the militia of Bois-le-Duc, who had 5 r glorious a share in the ten days' campaign, were e l , pected to r e t urn t o th a t t own . The i n habitants I' tended to receive them with great solemnity' ., ANISTMIDANI, SE , . • , • Actual Debt, IN per cent 37!4 to Voluntary Loan Amort Syndic, 4% per cent 59 to Ditto, ditto, 3V, per cent 49 to 49 THE IRISH REFORM BlLL.—Yest ert 7 , afternoon a meeting of the Members of Parliament C a p ' netted with Ireland was held at the King's Arms T 3ve r Palace-yard. The meeting was called by circular letteof sent round to the Irish Members, " for the puriO e d j e considering the best mode of proceeding as regarded Irish Reform Bill, which, as it is stated, is calcula ted gt curtail the corporation franchise ; to petition Paili 3 " , ;bor for additional Members for counties nut having boroubtbe and on other most important purposes conneciA welfare of Ireland and the true interests of the ettlin'.ol Shortly before two o' c l oc k man y M e mb e rs connected °I,I Ireland, including Mr. M. O'CONNELL aid others, C Otei r i, the room. The meeting was declared to be strictly Pir, vate, only those being allowed to be present to wboto culars bad been sent. —Morning Paper. Bank Mc Rs ( toek ; Per Cent. RA' ;per r c Ct.na Co Pe `eventene • 3 rte, • . ... , Per cen' P l'er .cent Ce nt- Ant ,Per .Ank Lo 5 iozn Jan tg lt l i n J — • 155 9 a 4: 5 , 1860, A 5,188 p . jgil Ns ,. ;.7:-.7:-...2_1870. ~hE \` _____-____ 1111T RSDA t4 Oil -r reit( Y h t report, t 1 ), ° a Z e i al I , ra ° , l Lord s . 1:11 in the , 1 at the using, ir. ,ae disp, ration , Peace parti uf T~e m Adi t t'Ssg si r h t a Tile j ay ' 1 ,, _ O , ° 'Bh t 4, 4 ou °4 4 „ 110 4t, ',9 - "' %l e : l . d4 (i t th e i• 'ik T th e • easel, l the,r 1:att1o, Nkit, l ul t i l4e 4 eatu