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THE COMMISSIONERS for EXECUT „ IN G th e OFFICE of LORD HIGH ADMIRAL UNITED KINGDOM of GREAT BRITAIN IRELAND, do hereby give notice, that on THURS -4Y, the 12th June next, at One o'clock, they will be 4 , 44 y to treat with such Persons as may be willing to Stores for supplying and de li vering into the Medical more s at his Majesty's Victualling Yard at Deptford, all 'fly of the following Articles, namely, lAA NNEL 2,100 Yards' 4KING BOTTOMS s'o N o . 14'4 CAS!..S LLOW CA 'ES, LINEN 1, 050 000 s NTT° DITTO, TICKEN 3OO j i EETS, LINEN 4OO Pairs &GNT cAP• 4 LIEN 2,000 No. B,AWERS, I/LANNEI 2OO Pairs opiTS, FLANNEL 3OO No. I,4IIRTS, LINEN IELF. CLOTHS, LO, G :200 11 1' .F. CLOTHS, SHORT 4OO ELS. SHORT 4OO SPANS, CAST-IRON, 2 Quarts 1 DIT l'O 3 Pints..., 150 t OITTO DITTO 1 Pint A MS PEWTER ..... .. .. .».».....«....» lOO Cgr , 0, BLEEDING, . . 4 PEWTER 14 1 su dry Tin and Earthenware Articles , according ... Samples of the Articles, and the Conditions of ti may be seen at the said Office. No Tem 4 4 received after One o'clock on the day of treaty, dunless the party attends, or an Agent f authorized in writing. t ve r y Tender must be delivered at the above Office, and accompanied . by a Letter addressed to the Secretary of °, Admiralty,. at Somerset-place, and signed by two re iPonsible persons, engaging to become bound with the rrson tendering in the sum of 25/. per cent. on the value, ° l ' the due performance of the Contracts, if the value .7.l2ounts to 5001., but if under 5001. by one person only. 2a 1 f: E a t 41 .!... = 1. - • ts r 13'7 E - he Con der will nor any for him CONTRACTS. PAUL'S, COVENT-GARDEN, JUNE, 1834. HE COMMITTEE of MANAGEMENT of this Parish hereby give Notice, that they will meet t he Vest • OM, on TUESDAY, the 17th day of June at Six o'clock in the evening precisely, to receive ~.I: ' °`4 a ls and enter into Contracts for the supply of the _ entionad ARTICLES for One Year, from Mid Lgtaller-day next :—Butchers' Meat—good fly Beef, to 7nsist of an equal proportion of the following parts, viz.— ' l, (ls, mouse buttocks, thick flanks, briskets, veiny and leg ' ll mutton pieces, free from bone ; good Nether Mutton, to Nisist of legs, shoulders, whole necks and breasts, and also '4 ' ll joints of prime meat, not exceeding four stone per L'eek, as shall be ordered for the Master'stable; the weekly slimption about sixty stone. The best Wheaten Bread, leaves, weighing one pound and a half each, at a discount to 2e o per cent. on every four pounds weiht from the full r price fixed by the Bakers' Comp g any—the Bread he weighed twel v e h ours a ft er d raw i ng . S wee t S a lt ,_(!tter, s crape d clean, and well wired, and Gloucester and Wiltshire Cheese, sound and well scraped, at --, per cwt. ; d about eighty tOns of the best Coal, of the following mains, t: 2 * — Hebburn Heaton, Twnley, or Adairs, at per „n• The several Articles to o be delivered at the Workhouse, i t `l ev eland-street, free of all expense. Each Contractor 1 . 111 be required to give security for the performance of tO Contract, and to deposit the expense of the same at e tim e his tender is accepted. ' Printed Proposals, to be su ed !, up by persons, willi ng to Contract, may be had at R office, at the Church, w h ere suc h Proposals (sealed up) be received any day previo us t o t h e d ay o f meet i ng. " 41 ecounts to be sent in and paid quarterly. The Corn 4littee do not bind themselves to accept the lowest tender. By order, J. CORDER, Vestry Clerk. f RAND FANCY FAIR and BAZAAR, L ain Aid of the Funds for the Completion of the North bon Hospital, in Mr. Jenkins's Nursery Grounds, Re b, s Park, on THURSDAY and FRIDAY, the sth and 6th b,,, J une, at one o'clock each day, under the irnmediate ' - " ° nage of Her Royal Highness the Duchess of KENT, T h.. Her. Royal Highness the Princess VICTORIA. I. h ; Countess de Ludolf The Lady Suffield Th e I , ), lches4 of Sutherland Ihe Ldy I )udley Stuart It er . areJlioness of Westmin- The L a dy Brougham and VauX he \ rhe Lady Doman J.-Itchy:mess of Taristock The H n. Mrs. Abercrombie 1 , 4 Counters of Essex Lady inylor TheFnUntess of Pomfret Lad v C onroy ~,, u ntass of Durham The Baroness de Rothschild Th e V'cottnte-s Andover Mrs. J o h n Abel Smith The celebrated Maynard Mrs. I saac L yon G oldsmid tne celebrated Band of the Coldstream Guards will it' attendance. . Admittance, 2s. 6d. each day.—Children, ls. Carriages to set down at the western and take up at the - *AN entrance to the Gardens. _ By order of the Committee, " ta Y 2 6, 1834. W.M. LINTOTT, Sec. ._. 1 1 1 . . - IE BRITISH AMERICAN LAND COMPANY. .1 OTICE is hereby given, that a SPECIAL be h , , GENERAL COITRT of PROPRIETORS, will June e iri i the London T avern , on T HURSDAY , t h e 19 t h nett at Twelve for One o'clock, when a Report bo (:"rt of Directors, with th e Charter of Incur r . . i4s. opriet li or"s" Act of Parliament, will be l a id b e f ore th e and when also, cert a i n R u l es , O r d ers , an d b e sub3-LaWgi for the good government of th e C om p any , w ill u ted. 11 N otice is al so h ere b y g i ven , that Proprietors have it-Ai -4 the to t h e Court of Di rectors their intention to submit, f 6"e said Sp ec i a l General Court, a Motion on the s u bj ec t proprietors to the Directors. b will be required to exhibit their Deposit eceipts to obtain admittance. By. 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Great Stanhope-street, from Dynevor Castle, South Wales ; the Countess of Lindsay, from her seat, Uffington House, Lincolnshire; the Hon. Mr. and Mrs. Tollemache, at Crawley's Hotel, Albemarle-street., from Sussex; Lady Wenman, at the Brunswick Hotel , Jermyn-street, from Theme Park, Oxfordshire ; J. san ders, Esq., at ditto, from the Isle of Wight ; Sir Mon tague Cholmondeley,. Baronet, from his seat in Lincoln shire ; Madame Guyott and Miss Taylor from the Conti nent ; the Earl of Enniskillen, froi r n his seat, Florence Court, Ireland ; Henry Brook, Esq., in Mount-street, from his scat in Cheshire Captain Northey, in Regent's Park, from his seat in Kent,., E. H. Green., F 44., at the.-Gla ce . rendon 'Hotel, New Bnnd-street, from a tour ; E. Daven port, Esq., in Hertford-street, from his seat in Cheshire ; C. T. Tynte, Esq., M.P., in Gloueester-place, from his seat seat, 'Halswell House, near Bridgewater, Somerset ; the Hon. Lady Turner and Miss Vansittart, at the Pul teney Hotel, Albemarle-street ; Miss Ladford, at ditto.) DEPARTURES. Lord Adolphus Fitzclarence, for Windsor Castle ; Lord and Lady Lake, for Aston Clinton, Herts ; J. H. Allen, Esq., for Cheltenham ; Mr. and Mrs. C. Dering, from Chapel-street, Grosvenor-square, for their seat, Ayott Welwyn, Herts ; Sir Charles Saxton, Bart., from the Brunswick Hotel, Jermyn-street, for his seat in Berks ; Mrs. and Miss Cuthbert, from Warren's Hotel, Regent street, for their seat, Newcastle ; Hon. Mrs. Dudley North, from Raggett's Hotel, Dover-street, for the Continent ; the Earl and Countess of Denoughmore, from the Pulteney Hotel; the Earl of Ranfurly, from ditto ; Viscount Lis more, from ditto ; Captain Pigott, from ditto • the Earl of Onslow, from ditto ; the Rev. Mr. Wheldon;from ditto. HUNGERFORD MARKET.-A. meeting of the proprietors of Hungerford-market was on Friday held at the offices of the company in Villiers-street, W. Courtenay, Esq., in the chair. The report of the directors stated that the negotiation with the mar ket-gardeners having failed, the site of the western side of -Hungerford-street, which had been intended for their use, would now be covered with houses ; that the directors had negotiated a loan of 13,0001., that they had made advantageous arrangements for the supply of salmon, and that they had succeeded in ob taining, in favour of the company, a bill which would remove every obstruction to the supply of other fish, which measure only awaited the Royal assent ; that there was another bill in progress which contained a provision favourable to the establishment of a hay market ; that the company's wharf was likely to be come a rendezvous for steam-boats, which would form a new source of revenue ; that the affairs of the com pany were not in so prosperous a condition as to admit of a dividend being proposed ; and, after other obser vations, assured the proprietors that the directors would use every endeavour to bring the undertaking to a profitable issue. An election of five new directors then took place.and the statement of accounts was read and carried. After the disposal of other pro forma business the meeting separated. On Tuesday morning last a fire took place at Fenny Compton, under the following circum stances :—A young man was amusing himself with shooting birds, when one alighted on a thatched cot tage, and he unthinkingly levelled his gun for the pur -puse of shooting it ; the contents of the gun - lodged - in the thatch, the whole of which was rapidly in flames. The cottage, with a barn and outbuildings, were burnt, together with a part of the furniture.--Oxford Journal. MARCH OF ROGUERY.-There is in Liver pool a regular manufactory of cases of distress. For a few shillings any man, if desirous of reaching the pockets of the benevolent, by way of their sympathies, may have drawn up and written in a legible hand, a most pathetic account of every possible misfortune of mind, body, or estate, which can render him an object of pity and charitable relief to the public. If A man chooses to figure as a ruined tradesman, he may, for a moderate consideration, have his misfortunes described in language which would melt the most obdurate heart ; if he likes to be burnt out of house and home, he may have an account of a conflagration, which would make a penny-a-line man expire with envy ; if he prefers an accident he may have both his thighs, or even his neck broken, by a fall from a horse, for half a crown ; if lie chooses to be a stranger and a foreigner, he- may have his desolate condition - de scribed too touchingly to be resisted. He may also have all the adjuncts equally cheap. An interesting v$ ife will cost him far less than a wife ever cost before ; and he may have ten small children for nothing. THE UNITED SERVICE JOURNAL.—lnde pendently of the numerous other original papers in the June Number of this valuable miscellany, the general correspondence will be found to contain in teresting communications on the following subjects.:— The several modes for the beneficial employment of the superior opportunities possessed by the United Service—the difficulties attending the progress of Settlers in Canada—The efficiency of Modern In fantry in the assault of intrenchments or barricades the injudicious plan of provisioning the Navy in the Colonies—the imperfection in the assault of present Light-house System—the case of Regimental Pay masters—the Grievances of Mates—the method of ap portioning baggage damages and baggage allowance —relative utility of the Falmouth packets—incon sistencies in Naval Nomenclature—the Slave Trade in Brazil, &c. LIVERPOOL CORN-MARKET, FRIDAY, MAY 30.—Having a continuance of easterly winds, the arrivals from Ireland have been unusually small, there being only two vessels (grain laden) reported since Tuesday. Of flour and oatmeal the quantity re ported is also small, being of the former 84, and of the latter only 93 sacks. The trade in the meantime has been uniformly dull, though late prices have beerifully supported. This day's market being thinly attended, the transactions in wheat were small ; but this may be owing to the increase in price demanded by the holders, who in some instances realized, on fine sam ples of red and white, an advance of 2d. per bushel, and on the general runs of red Id. per bushel, on the rates of Tuesday. Oats were in fair request at full pr i i c u e d s. iug There barley w at a s Tuesday's moderatesdays prices.de m n d Thefor beansprieand f oatmeal, with a fair sale, may be considered the same as last quoted. With a. fair inquiry for flour, good parcels were more easy of sale, btu no alteration in price. LIVERPOOL COTTON-MARKET, SATUR DA/.—Our market for cotton this week has been lan guid, and the transactions rather limited ; pric es o f the commoner classes of American have receded *d. er lb and Bahias have been selling at a decline of p •, id. per lb. ; other Brazils, Sea sltselaadndsa,t our rd lastthe better qualities of American, .are quotations. The Sura s ts ur a e t ts auc B t o ion m s er ol an d h b a n y m 's , kl a y n a d nd 2o a o t steady prices. 200 American have have been been f forwarded taken warde d fo ' r in e t x o po t r h t e , andcou country wi t hou t Ame rican . h u a e v e i k ng is br 2 n 3 p b er ag ed s, inaudthethmeasrakleets. areThne,tBm7opobratts_his ditto,nam e 1 y 0 3 d 2 . 0 t S o e a o ls id la . n ; d, 7 l , s 6 o lo . B to ow 2s e . d O s d ; .90t to 9d. d ; 3,420 New Orleans, 7id. to 10d. ; 3,140 Alabama, &c., 7 1 d. to 90, ; 450 Pernams, l lid. to 120. ; 340 Bahia, 10d. to lOad. ;550 Maranham, 90. to 1111c1; 50 Para, lod. ; 10 Egyptian, 151 d. 520 Surats, 6d. to ;Id. per lb. By auction, 1,370 Surat, 5i -d. to led. per lb. The sales in our Cotton-market to-day amount to upwards of 3,500 bales, at steady prices, chiefly American, from 7id. to 80., with some at 90., a portion of whi c h has been taken on specu lation, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 3, 1834. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, June 2. ALLAN'S DIVORCE BILL. After some of se:vations from Earl GODOLPHIN, the LORD CtrawcELLoa, and Lord WYNFORD, this bill was read a second time, andordered to be-committed to-morrow. Lord KENYON presented petitions from Hackney, and several other places, praying the house not to consent to the disunion of Church and State. The Duke of GRAFTON presented apetition from the dissenters of Stow Market, praying for relief. The Bishop of HEREFORD presented a petition from the diocese of Hereford, against the admission of Dissenters to the Universities. • The Earl of SEFTON presented a petition from the Dissenters of Rochdale, Middleton, and Hailingden, pray ing for relief. Lord LYNDHURST presented a petition from a parish in Essex against the admission of Dissenters to the Um ver3ities, and their exemption from Church Rates. WARWICK BOROUGH BILL. Lord WYIVPORD wished to know whether some ar rangement could not be come to with respect to the exami nation of witnesses on this bill, whereby the matter might be brought to a more speedy conclusion. The house had already been occupied for a long period with the examina tion of witnesses, and there still remained, as he had been informed, upwards of fifty witnesses to be examined on be half of the bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that he con curred in the observations that had fallen from his noble friend (Lord Wynford). He thought counsel ought to be called upon to shorten the case as much as they could, consistent with justide towards their clients. The Earl of DURHAM stated that any plan that could be devised to quicken the progress of the bill should meet with his entire approbation. Perhaps that object might be effected by commencing early in the morning, and going on day by day till the examination was concluded. After some observations from the Duke of CUMBER LAND and Lord LYNDHURST, the house proceeded with the presentation of petitions. Petitions were presented in favour of the established church, and against the admission of dissenters to the universities, by the Duke of Welling ton, the Earl of Westmoreland, the Duke of Gloucester, and the Duke of Rutland. SILK TRADE. Viscount STRANGFORD postponed his motion with respect to the silk trade, in consequence, as the noble viscount stated, of circumstances of notoriety over which he had no control. At this period, the house was very much crowded with Peers, and the greatest an x i e ty seemed to prevail as to whether any explanation would be given by Earl Grey. Counsel were, however, called in on the Warwick Borough Bill, and nothing was said. The only ministers present were Earl Grey, the Marquis of Lansdowne, and Lord Melbourne. • The house adjourned at nine o'clock. whatever might be his own individual opinion upon that question, still he must say that he did not consider that that was the most proper time for the house to come to a decision upon the question. If the house was prepared to come to a decision upon it they were certainly, as he had before said, quite competent to do so ; but if the pro perty was, in reality, greater than was necessary for the maintenance of the established church, he• maintained that it would be for the benefit of that Church itself, and very far from injuring it, that such surplus should be applied to the religious and moral instruction of the People. (Cheers.) By that course the country_ and of c ourse th e Ch urc h wou ld b e muc h benefitted. He did not. think that that was the proper time for the houseto de ei to upon the question, as the house had just been informed t sat his Majesty had been advised to issue a commission for the purpose of inquiring into the question from thefoun dation, and that his Majesty had been most graciously Pleased to act upon such advice. No doubt the hon. gen tleman would, if he carried his resolution, place his motion in a firm position, but most certainly he would not put it in a better one than it stood at present. He certainly did not think it would be at all proper to pass such a resolution as his honourable friend proposed before they knew what might be the course which Parliament would adopt, when the informa tion that was desired was obtained. ( Hear, hear.) When he had stated to his hon. friend the grounds on which he exclusively relied with respect to the present question, he had omitted to refer to another question which had been decided before by that house with respect to the state of thc,..nrzuent Titlie„Bill. His Majesty's Government, in introdating that bill, had never intended to prejudge the question as to the appropriation of church property, yet it was stated by many members, and particularly those who represented Ireland, that they were prejudging the question. Gentlemen on both sides of the house appeared to think his Majesty's government ought to leave that question open, and therefore they decided to omit all the clauses in that bill relating to the redemption of tithes. His Majesty's Government had issued a commission to bring before the house all the information upon the subject that was necessary to enable the house to decide upon it, and it was for honourable gentlemen now to say whether they would put so little confidence in the declara tion of his Majesty's government, confirmed as it was by the issuing of the commission, that nothing would satisfy them but a pledge from the house. He thought that such a resolution was quite unnecessary, and he should therefore propose that the house should come to no conclusion whatever at present upon it. He would state to the house, that the government had taken the question into its serious consideration (Hear, hear, hear) ; and he should now propose the adoption of the previous question. Government had stated to the house, that the commission had been issued for the purpose of inquiring into the question, and therefore the circumstances into which he proposed to put the house would enable gentlemen to decide more satisfactorily upon the question. lie would not detain the house further ; he had stated the ground on which he proposed to treat the question, and he asked the house to put confidence in his Majesty's ministers. (Some laughter, followed by tremendous cheering.) There might be gentlemen in that house who put less confidence in his Majesty's government than it was entitled to (Tremendous cheering, which con tinued for some minutes), but he felt convinced that the majority of that house had that confidence in him ( Hear, hear) and his Majesty's government which they were entitled to. (Hear, hear.) He threw himself upon the house on this question, which he considered not only a question of consequence but of confidence. The noble lord sat down amid much cheering. The SPEAKER then put the question, that the right of appropriating the revenues of the church being in Par liament, it was the opinion of that house that the revenues of the church of Ireland, as by law established, should be reduced. Mr. HUME rose and said that he regretted he could not agree with the noble lord'sproposition, because he held in his band a speech made by the noble lord on the 12th of February last, when, after enumerating the vari ous branches of revenue accruing to the church, he had concluded by saying that he would not object to any sur plus being appropriated to the exigencies of the state. That, he (Mr. Hume) contended, admitted the prin ciple of his noble friend's motion. (Hear.) The church property being about to be valued by the bill introduced by the noble lord, that valuation was to be so arranged that the surplus should be appropriated to the purposes of the state..lf he (Mt: H.) had any doubt that sucirwas the in tent of the bill, he would refer to the disc ission on the 147th clause, when the honourable members who sat on his right, and who had now cheered the noble lord, had voted in the majority of 3:30, by which that clause had been carried. The 147th clause had been then described as the essence and principle of the bill, and he (Mr. H.) had thought it most essential, as it admitted the right of Parliament to deal with the revenues of the church. What followed? The house, after affirming that clause, were now to be told that differences had long existed upon that- question, and without any explanation whatever, save and except that as that clause if persevered in would probably interfere with the passing of the bill in another place, they were to be called upon to negative it. ( Hear.) Ile appealed to the right honour able the late Secretary for the Colonies, if one objection which had been made to that clause was not, that the time was not fitting, and on that account the noble lord called upon the house to reject it. The house did re ject it, by about the same majority by which it had previously affirmed it. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") If he had therefore to express his regret in not being able to comply with the request of the noble lord, he had the satisfaction of feeling that his ground of dis sent was that many of his Majesty's ministers conscientiously believing that the principle proposed to be adopted by Government with respect to what was ca ll e d the church property , would, rather than give th e i r sanc question, which was to postpone a vhrqUestion in deb a t e , rece d e from his Ma and what then Wa s th e s i tuat i on of the j t ui Banc on m t o e n t t he tu e po p n r to proceed upon th e p r i nc i p l es from which j h e n s u ty se 's ? coi Nv in as cils it ; those right hon. gentlemen had receded ? Was it to decide the principle, or was it to leave it in the hands of the noble lord, and those who had joined him, to do as they should think fit? The house would perhap s b e surpr i se d to hear that an ecclesiastical commission was actually sitting at this moment, which had been appointed by this Par liament, on the 15th of August. That commission con sisted of several right rev. Peers—it consisted both of ecclesiastical and lay individu a l s . Wh at was that commission to do ? It was to make a full inquiry into all ecclesiastical benefices, and many other im portant church matters ; and what did the noble lord pro pose now to do beyond that ? He proposed to add the respective numbers of Catholic and Protestant population. (Hear, hear, hear.) He (Mr. H.) thought that a very material question, but one to be decided after the question the house was now upon, and one which ought not to interfere in any way whatever with that debate. What progress had been made ? H e reco ll ecte d one sen tence in the noble lord's speech, in which he said he was not aware of the amount of the income of the Irish church. Why, he might learn it from Parliamentary papers—from a report, made by the Commissioners, of the archiepisco pal and episcopal revenues of the church. That was one of the objects of the proposed resolution. (Hear, hear.) Under that commission they had laid before them a ll the information which it was proposed to obtain, save that of the separate number of each sect. Was that a. matter of sufficient importance, after a separation upon principle, to come and ask for a vote of confidence, without stating their own opinion ? The noble lord said that whatever might be his own opinion, he was not prepared to state it. H e (Mr. Hume) did not understand the noble lord to have stated his own opinion. He (Lord Althorp) said that he considered that the information proposed to be obtained was necessary to enable the house to deal with the questiOn. Th e y were already in possession of the whole in formation, and lie (Mr. Hume), therefore submitted, that they (the house) had not been fairly used in b e i n g called upon to place confidence in any new arrange ments unless they were satisfied it was intended to affirm the principle of the proposed motion, and to act upon it to the fullest extent. The motion of the noble lord, if carried, would not produce the least benefit, inasmuch as sufficient information was already acquired. Lord Anglesea had made statements of the greatest importance ; and what confidence could the house place in the noble lord when such information was neglected? (He ar , hear.)_ Lord Anglesea had declared - that reform in the Protestant Church of Ireland was absolutely necessary, and would the house he 'deaf to such an announcement. as that ? The time was now come Tiprinciples of th e h on . mem b er ' s mot i on hen ought theo be recognised and boldly affirmed by that house ; and though the commission proposed by the noble lord might tend much to the application of the power of the house; the motion of the hen, member ought not to be dismissed. The house had passed the Coercion Bill, and other Measures of a harsh nature, and now it was high time that remedial measures should be adopted. After the division that had taken place in the cabinet, and the manner in which the noble lord had brought for ward the question, he was surprised ministers could expect the confidence of that house. The question appeared to him a milk-and -water affair, and totally upwerthv of the house. He should sqPport the motion of his hon.' friend, who, to trusted, would press it to a division. ( Hear. ) Colonel DAVIES felt great embarrassments in sup p2rting_his M a j esty ' s ministers on the present occasion. He . e . di eyed Irvin tile hononreble inember behind itiM HOUSE OF COMMONS, .June 2. The SPEAKER resumed the chair at a quarter past five o'clock. The house was unusually full. - MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. A message from the Lords announced their lordships' assent to the Suffolk ➢larine Insurance, Aberavon Har bour, Hartlepool Railway, Dudley Water-works, Stoke Ferry Drainage, and other private bills. MINISTRY—IRISH CHURCH. Lord ALTHORP, having been called upon by the Speaker, rose and said, that in rising to move the order of the day for resuming the debate•upon the motion of the hon. member for St. Alban's, he should feel it his duty to offer a few observations to the house. (Hear. ) He wished to state the course which his Majesty's Ministers had felt it their duty to adopt since the time when he had moved the adjournment of the house. It was not necessary for him to 'state, because it had been avowed frequently, that a diffeAnce of opinion existed among Ministers on the question of the power of the Government (in case such a necessity should exist), of appropriating in a different manner, the whole of the revenues of the church establishment. He regretted that some of his colleagues had separated from him upon that question, and no person could regret the loss of their valu able assistance( which he had often experienced in carrying on the business of that house) more than himself. ( Hear, hear.) His Majesty's Ministers were aware that the four of their colleagues who had separated from them differed from the rest of the Cabinet upon that question,but they were agreed upon every other question ; and all of them were also agreed in thinking that it was not absolutely necessary to come to a decision upon that question until they had secured the revenues of the church of Ireland for such purposes as it might be expedient for Parliament to apply them to. On these grounds the cabinet had not thought that there u i w t p :n n e a e n e e y s y s e p a r ry a y r. t f i o o c t u r h l e t a l r r l e q n p u i o e t i s n o t : s:e n p a a c i r: a t m i t Agreeingeing b e e i f n o g re a i t l o a s which respecting y made the church establishment, they thought that they were not justified in breaking upon that question. ( Hear. ) That motion and the mode by which he was aware the question would be supported, ledthe Government to feel that they were in a situation of great difficulty. In those circum stances, his noble friends, the Duke of Richmotid Ind the Earl of Ripon had in the most honourable and the most hand some manner tendered their resignations, in order to free his Majesty's Government from the difficulties in which they felt themselves placed. Under these circumstances he (Lord Althorp) had proposed an adjournment of the debate upon the motion of the hon. member. It had been rumoured abroad that the resignations which had taken place arose from differences in the cabinet. This (as we under- Stood the noble lord to say) was not true. He was not aware that the resignations, or any resignations, had been tendered. He heard of it after he had come down to that house, and the instant he heard that such was the case, and that these resignations had been tendered to and accepted by his Majesty, he felt that he could not do but that which he did do. He could not allow the debate to go on under such circumstances. This was the explanation he had to give. With respect to the course which his Majesty was advised to adopt on the pre sent occasion, it was to issue a Commission of Inquiry, that Commission to be a lay-commission ; to visit the different parishes in Ireland ; to ascertain On the spot the number of members of the established church in each parish and benefice, in those where there had been a union of parishes to ascertain the number in both, and•the distance from one to the other ; to ascertain the number and rank of the ministers, and whether they were resident or non-resident ; to state the periods at which divine service was performed, and the average num ber of persons who attended, and whether they had in creased, were stationary, or had decreased ; also to ascertain the number of Roman Catholics in the different parishes, and the number of Presbyterians and other Dissenters ; to ascertain the state of each parish with reference to its moral education ; the number of scholars, and whether they had increased, were stationary, or had decreased, and whether there were means adequate for the maintenance of such schools ,• and to report upon such other circumstances connected with the moral and political relation which the esta blished church and the other sects bore upon the condition of the people of Ireland. (Hear, hear. ) Such an inquiry as he had proposed was necessary, and without it it would be impossible for the house to legislate. The question then was, whether his honour able friend would come to the decision that he would proceed with the inquiry, and he (Lord Althorp) wished to know whether, after such a proposition for such an in quiry, the hon. member would deem it necessary to pro ceed in his motion. (Hear, hear. ) Mr. WARD said the noble lord had conic forward on the part of his Majesty's government on one of the most important questions that had ever been discussed in that house. (Hear.) The noble lord proposed to meet it with a commission, but he (Mr. W. ), if such were appointed, must remain in the same situation. ( Hear, hear.) The position taken by the noble lord did not and could not satisfy him in the position in which he was placed. He was not influenced by any hostile motives, but he merely looked to the course he was bound to pursue as an honest man. ( Hear.) Seeing that he had mooted a great public ques tion—the appropriation of church property in Ireland, if his resolution were once agreed to, such a committee of inquiry must naturally have followed. (Hear, hear. ) He wished, however, to see that inquiry coupled with the recognition, on the part of government, of the prin. fih irepma hear.) honourablee s e d.) o then H w p hich they must act at last. ( Hear, hear, position regrettedieoacolleagues, oh oe s ,ha but ott taken, t e t eh na r ,t e ainr circumstance of de r e h d of the principle more necessary ( Hear ) H is e thoe h lno o ldYd e;l heto t iip l °; i ri c -s, Government would gain in principle ;hat it had lost in , alent ; but nothing had occurred to lead him to change his original q u A e sLt desi g n The i having o Rp rboeseenaoredadsafridomthtahtehcatajoirg, Lord the inte n ti ons o f t h egovernment upon thequestion,solately declared it then became him to state very shortly the view s he en tertained upon the mot i on b efore the house. ( Hear, hear.) With respect to the first part o f the stated 4Aue , th s t othhnie,s surplus that opinion o t he right f ith ad of churcht h perroipgeh p rt a t.y r am (hco e h n eh t ear dst.o) alreadytdjena Un less, however, he concurred, as he did not, in the latter parts of the motion, viz„ that the amount ofchurch property, .vas, in that country, more than commensurate to, the waits Qf the lumbers of the established church, (PRICE 71).) (Mr. Hume), on one point. He considered that good - night arise from the appointment of the commission, •tnd he therefore could not go along with him in denomi nating it a milk and water affair. He believed the noble !ord opposite, when he stated that it was the determina tion of Ministers to have the measure thoroughly sifted, but why they should act in a manner calculated to inspire distrust and alarm rather than confidence, he could not tell. He had every confidence in the noble lord opposite but he had no confidence in his Majesty's minis ters, after they had brought forward such a shuffling measure as they had done. (Cries of " Hear, hear.") So far from wishing to make any sacrifice for the purpose of keeping those gentlemen in, he would do all in him power to help to kick them out. (Laughter.) If the government wished to be strong, and powerful, and to se cure to itself the public voice, they must act in a very dif ferent way from what they had done of late. The Whigs of the present day were not at all like the Whigs of seventy years ago. ( Great cheering. ) If they wished to be powerful, to have the support of the public, let them only act in a more manly way ; they would, by such a course, gain the good-will and support of the entire public, when they would not require to mind or feel any alarm at the hostility of another house, which, in such a case, must do as it did before—yield before such a mighty strength. He did not object to the commission, but he wished to see a recognition of the full principle on the part of the house—not merely by the Government. It was now no secret, that a meeting had been held that day between the noble lord and many mem bers of that house; therefore thel.e could bI no' breach of confidence in now alluding to it. All that he would say was then pressed upon the government. The noble lord was told to regulate the proposition as he plea ed, to put it into any words he might think fit, to only let the principle be fairly before the House of Commons, and he would have it all his own way. The moment the commission was recommended by the ministry, they had gone as far as he (Colonel D.) would go ; but then why not let the house also affirm it ? ( Hear, hear, and cheers.) It almost looked as if the noble lord and his colleagues were not sincere. (Cheers.) He would not think so—he knew them to be perfectly so, but the j. conduct made him use expressions that he did n. like. (Cries of " Hear, hear.") He &list say that they acted with a degree of imbecility that perfectly astonished their most warm admirers. (Cheers.) He really hardly knew what to do ( A laugh); he thought it would be a thousand pities if the question should not be carried by a large majority ; but then what would be said out of doors? Why, those who voted for the previous ques ion would be set down as altogether opposed to the moi ion, the prin ciple of which they most cordially approved of. That would naturally be the opinion of those who were unacquainted with the forms of the house. ( Hear. ) What could be the meaning of it? The public would suspect that something sinister was concealed behind, and undoubtedly suppose the house was not sincere, and thereby it would suffer materially in the estimation of the public. ( Hear.) As to the government, he knew not on what ground they could expect the confidence of the house, and if his hon. friend pressed his motion he should feel bound to vote in support of it. Colonel EVANS said that the present dilemma of Mi nisters had been occasioned by the half measures which .they had brought forward. '1 he noble lord had asked for the confidence of the house in his Majesty's Government. It was a very natural question for gentlemen on the other side of the house to ask what that government was—who it was composed of? At this moment he was totally ignorant of who composed it, and he really thought the country ought to be told who the members of the government were. The hon. member for Middlesex had stated some very good reasons for refusing to give his confidence to it, presuming government to consist of those whom he supposed it to be formed by, although there were doubts about who did compose it. He (the gallant colonel) would add to those reasons why he would- refuse to confide in it. The noble lord had stated his opinion much more distinctly upon the motion before the house than he hail expected to hear; but even if the noble lord had stated in the most distinct terms his accordance in the propriety of the motion, still he (the gallant colonel) would not have depended upon or put his confidence in the Government in respect of the success of the motion ; and he would give his reason for saying so. The noble lord had brought forward motions upon various occasions, before he came into office, for the repeal of taxes—for instance, for the repeal of taxes upon knowledge-o'nd after he had come into office he had over and over again declared that his opinion upon that subject was unchanged ; but notwithstanding that, Government had done nothing in the way of relieving those grievous taxes. ( Hear, hear.) The noble lord stated that he was not in a situation to express an opinion upon the amount of the revenue of the church in Ireland. Why it was only in February last that he stated the amount of that revenue to be about 600,0001. He must have been of opinion at that time that that was the amount of it, al though doubts had subsequently taken possession of his mind upon the subject. It was clear that the general feel ing of a large majority of the house was, that that property ought to be appropriated by the state, and having heard no reason assigned why the present motion ought to be refused, he certainly should give it his support. Colonel CONOLLY said he was in hopes that the councillors of the Crown would not have had recourse to the wretched expedient which they had recourse to on the present occasion. ( Hear, hear, hear.) He was aware of the difficulties in which the Government were placed, and would be happy to allow them to ar range them in any way in the world ; but in the course they had adopted he could not help thinking that they were trifling with the interests of the religion of the people of Ireland by putting off and shuffling off the consideration of the question as they had done (Cries of " Hear, hear") ; and for his own part, he would rather of the two that they should affirm the principle of the motion than shuffle with it. (Cheers.) He could not find words strong enough to express his feelings at such conduct. When the government considered the im portant interests and the agitated state of Ireland, they ought to declare what their opinion was upon this subject. But the noble lord had given the house to understand that he con curred in the motion of the honourable member (Mr. Ward). A proposition of a more revolutionary nature he (Colonel Conolly) had never heard sub mitted to a deliberative assembly ; it was nothing more or less than a distinct proposition to wrest from the house the admission of a principle of spoliation—first, that if was necessary ; secondly, that it was right ; and thirdly, that it ought to be acted upon. He denied every one of those propositions. ( Cheers.) He denied them in the most solemn manner, and he should be wanting in his duty to those who had sent him there if he did not express his feelings as openly and as strongly as possible. He would not wish to say anything that could hurt the feelings of any indi vidual, but he certainly must say that the course adopted on the present occasion was most equivocal and contemptible. He denied the principle on which it was sought to get the house to interfere. He denied the right of Parliament to interfere at all, unless it was previously admitted that the house had no authority to make any grant that had been made. The course that was at present proposed would impart interminable difficulties. Nothing was safe. Did it not invade every thing? Was any thing secure? Was the royal ward, was a patent, was a charter—was any thing secure if that principle were once adopt ed ?, (Hear, hear, hear.) Was it not like letting loose the dogs of war ? (Laughter.) Was it not spOlia7 tion in the most daring aspect ? (Laughter, ) Perhaps hon. gentlemen might nut absolutely agree with him (Continued laughter), but he would ask them to look into historical events, and then to say whether they did not find the spoliation of the church degenerated into the spo liation of every thing else? ( Hear, hear, hear.) It had been his humble lot, perhaps, to have anticipated in some degree that result when a certain bill was brought into the house. This was merely the march, the progress of that course of proceeding ( Cheers from the oppositien) which presented itself under the tempting shape . of Reform, ( Hear and laughter.) He had stated in his place in that house that that would be the conclusion of the destructive principle which was to destroy every man's property, and annul every man's rights. If there was any man in that house more than another that would, by his devot e d attac h ment to the church, sacrifice his own property rat h er than see it taken away from the church, he claimed that pre-eminence himself. (Cries of Ilear, hear. ) He was satisfied that that Chroh had clone its duty. He heeded not the derision or sneers of those who did not esti mate the spiritual wants of Ireland at so much as he He would repeat the opinion of his friend the hqn, baronet; the member for the University of oxford : that hop. baronet had introduced an expression which he (Colonel Conolly) should ever hear with deli&ht—‘‘ the ex pansive farce of Protestantism," (Oh, and laughter.) truth w Ile repeated ) that se t long as was rut at stake,ould hebes to here, or a Christian hereafter,would - periar to error—whil e every thing that man could look cherish and promulguate the opinions he h,e',i.aved in. He asserted that there was another prie,ciide at the bottom of this motion—it was a sacriAoe at the shrine ofagita tion—it was a misixable attempt to satisfy a cry which it should have rather been the duty of the Goe;•;atient to put an end to. The 'evidence adduced hy the late right hon. Secretary, who [Here the hon., memher made pause, which occasioned considerable laughterl—whose noble and manly course he wished that others had had the courage to imitate,---vvhose knowledge of the actual state of Ireland would rot permit him to part with, an article ar title of what ways c reatia i to, itivielfge and Dr..,;,‘ 't' s: l \ • at right hon. gentleman had avowed his ,it and eferred resigning his office rather than have those principles, or have them trampled on ;fee . The high road to reputation and honour, in short eveiy thing was before him, but he had thrown away all th ose advan- silt 4 tages, and had. left the Cabinet in possession of his inte grity and his honour. (Great laughter, followed by loud heering.) If he (Col. C.) looked to the welfare of his country—if he wished to see Christianity encouraged, and religion upheld; if the only possible good - foie Ireland, the only remedy for all its ills, was now to be demolished at the shrine of clamour and the cry of agitation; was he not justified in urging to the utmost of his power that con sideration upon his Majesty's ministers, and calling upon his Majesty to exercise the authority of the protestant crown of those realms, and give a distinct negative to such a motion ? (Cheers.) He contended that the present was of a more destructive nature than any other motion ever brought before that house. ( Hear, hear, hear.) So • horrified, so shocked was he at the course pursued towards the Irish church, that he could not repress the in dignation he felt, or the strong terms he had used, and he did it because he had an intimate acquaintance with that church ; and if there were any evils in Ireland existing, they were the persons who had held out the only measures of progressive good to which the people would look for enlightenment, for the introduction of moral habits, and every thing that would tend to make the people loyal and the government tolerable. (Hear. ) It was the most unjust thing to confound the innocent with the guilty—the North with the South of Ireland. The religion of the Church of England wherever it prevailed produced peace, and where confusion prevailed- let the strong arm of the law interfere to produce peace. His " soul was full of indignation, and he could not pollute him self by voting for either of the propositions. (Laughter and cheers.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL rose amidst loud cheers. He said he regretted as much as any man the separation that - had taken place between his noble and right hon. col leagues and himself, they being men of acknowledged ta lent and unsullied honour. To have acted with such men, to have agreed with them on general questions, and to have had their co-operation in any matter, was undoubtedly a great solace to him and his colleagues in their public course of life. (Hear, hear.) And while he said that, the house would give him credit that they would not have deprived - themselves of their services, or placed themselves in their present inconvenient and painful situation, unless they had had a regard to principle. He put it to the house whe- • ther, in proposing this commission of inquiry, his Majesty's Ministers did not give an ample proof of their disposition , to carry out the principle of the hon. gentleman's mo- • tion when the necessary information should be obtained? He thought it would be a bad course to first of all adopt a general resolution, and afterwards come in the course of the next session and say that it was not to be , carried into effect. (Hear, hear.) The instruction of the people of Ireland was not properly provided for by the established church in Ireland ; and that being the case, he thought the proper course for parliament to pursue would be, viewing the question as an abstract one, to send forth a commission composed of laymen, in order to ascertain the facts, and upon those facts government would have the power of bringing forward - any measure they thought best, and parliament would then be in possession of circumstances which would enable it either to adopt or reject it. The adoption of that course he thought far more preferable than twinge • ing forward abstract propositions. ( Hear, hear, liver. ) He agreed with some of the former speakers, that if the house had no confidence in the government then they should agree with the resolution. If the government were distrusted. , if members had no confidence to place in them, then they had better at once say, " Let us have the resolution—let . us have a new Government in whom we can confide." If the hon. member for St. Alban's adopted that principle.. then certainly he ought to press his motion. If he did: not, where was the use of his abstract principle : So far as he understood what a Government of the present day was required to be, it must. be formed ef renew; agreeing in principle with the majority of the House of Commons. (Hear.) The lion. member for St. Alban's called upon them to affirm a principle without saving what' was to be done in reference to that principle. But let. them look at the resolution. One part of it said that " the Protestant Episcopal Establishment in Ireland ex ceeded the spiritual wants of the Protestant population," and another that it was " the right of the state to regulate the distribution of church property in such manner as Parliament might determine." Now, with regard to the latter proposition, he begged leave to say it was perfectly absurd to appoint a commission unless they allowed this, and that it was to all intents and purposes admitted and allowed on the part of his Maj es t y ' s government b y such appointment. His Majesty's government had affirmed such portion of the resolution. With regard to the deeie, ration that the Establishment exceeded the spiritual waute of the Protestant population, and ought to be redeseeti, ho thought that if it should be found, on inquiry, that the religious and moral instruction of the people was, not pro perly provided for by the Church of Ireland—the only ground on which an established church could he or ought to be upheld—some measure should be devised for better appropriating or reducing her revenues. But he begged to say that, he, for one, was not afraid of what might accrue from the inquiries of the commissioners—he was not afraid of facts, for he fully expected they would confirm his own views, and substantiate the propriety of the course which his 11le se jesty's Ministers had thoughl it their duty to adopt. ;40 did not, however, think it right, in the first instanoe, to agree to a resolution pledging themselves to a oe.rtain title of conduct in certain circumstances, provided they showed the facts of the case to be of such a nature, and then to have to ascertain what those facts really where. It ap peared to him that the better course for Parliament to pursue was to appoint a commission composed entirely of laymen, and this he considered the most valuable part of their proposition ( Hear, hear), to ascertain the real facts of the case, its real merits, and its true position, and then that Government should introduce a measure, which, being founded on practical knowledge, Parliament would not fail to adopt, but which of course it would have the power either of adopting or of altering, or of rejecting altogether, as they might deem best for the general interests of the country. As a pure question of Parliamentary and leers : lative proceeding, the most simple course—the cesseee - re e commended by common sense, was the one reposes) by 'his Majesty's Government. But the meeetten• had as' : sumed another shape, for an honomaitsle and gentile. member ( Colonel Evans) said he was not satisfied a ith a commission, because he knew not the actual state of the Government—whether, indeed, there was a Government, or, at all events, who were the indivi duals composing it; and that the commission was the suggestion of two noble lords still in the Ca binet. ( Hear.') The fact, however, was the very reverse; but, be that as it might, if the resolution were passed, he did not see, even then, how the hon. and gal lant member could with safety confide in the Government, after what he had stated. Leaving that consideration, however, as reference had been made to the general policy of his Majesty's Government, he would take the liberty of saying a word or two on the subject. He certainly sidered that the Government should be composed of a steis scription of persons agreeing in their principles wish theSe, entertained by the majority of the House (4f COMinons., This they undoubtedly had a right to reqqiee ; and if the Crown chose to appoint persons who did not possess the confidence of the majority in that house, it was most as suredly their right, as it was their duty, to express plainly and forcibly, though respectfully and humbly, to h;s Ma jesty, that the Ministry was one which, as it could not command their support, could never act beneficially for the aleaceh'e to e nation, and that they must have men on whose characters and principles they and the people could cheerfully rel y . , Twit} secured (Cheers.) But he must say, that hav ta in ae g d i o n n a e time and in secured that point—it would be more consisten' %v ia soui .4 principles if the Government were allo ‘ e4 e4 i ivi e e own mode of action—if the legislatnee carry into effect Ministers' discretion the mannee bringing forward e h i t' various measures. If Was any was this, that they gt all others knew at 6- would be best able to what mannee th those measures, ' and to put into -• • • , operation those priuciples which were approved = by the majority of that house and the general sense P tue country. This - appeared question of preciseli . th Character, and he really thought hon. gentlemen wo:iid 'attain their ends quite as soon, and much more cenvenlently to all parties, if the course he had spokes! Cof. Were pursued on the present occasion. But kv bad hem asked what was the Government—ivhere was it The Government was composed of his noble friends I.otebs Grey and Althorp, and others, and was formed upon prin eipleti respecting the church of Ireland, in which the mai), rity of that house concurred, and which he sincerely be. lieved it would be wise in them to allow Ministers the time and manner of putting into operation, lie would say of this measure as he had said of past measures, and should say of all future momures of reform, that the best way of carrying them—the only way, so as to insure beneficial results to the community—was peaceably and quietly. hear,) It was his firm conviction, that if the Crown,. the House of Cotnruons, and the peopl e , agreed generally in their principles, and resolved on any partio.ular: measures, by setting to work quietly but resolutely, lii)99, terltAtigilsly but firmly, they would in the end find cue, very great difficulty in making those measures the It pf the, teed (Cheers); but if, on the other hand, they placed themselves in opposition to any branch of the constitution unnecessarily, rashly, or on slight grounds, or . for tt ma ers of not be dou satisfied be btful import—if the Cern • mons said they would canee a Measure was first proposed and carried in ancsther place—that .it must and should proceed from tlemsel ve a — that they alo ne oug h t to or i g i nate it— then he must say h e saw great danger—he saw that the peaceable worki g of the Constitution to great and glori ous restelta would be fatally impeded. (Cheers.) And this, of all things, he should deplore—of all things he would wish them ate avoid, fully persuaded as he was, that all they ease'sri possibly desire might be obtained to as full aO. great an extent without resorting to means, the em ployment of Which might alone insure disappointment and asts ( tleeee hear,) He thought there was no danger vehteteyste of the people of this country obtaining all jest an : d deairabee reforms, and that hon, gentlene n on the, other fOsic at the house were too sensitive. Liberal pries cstOes were, in his opinipae s rrives.sjpg in the cQuutrl, auck