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//2 VICTITALLINGI OFFICE, fiLtir P, 1827. THE Commissioners for Victualling his Majesty's Navy, &c. do hereby give Notice, that ott TIIURSDAY, the 24th instant, they will be ready to receive Tenders in writing, (sealed up), and treat for One Hundred Thousand Gallons of WEST INDIA RUM, Fifty Tons of NEW OATME:tL, • Four Hundred Sacks of kiln-dried Household FLOUR, Fifty Tons of COCOA, Four Hundred Quarters of Kiln-dried PEASE, Five Tons of BUTTER, and Ten Tons of CHEESE. To be delivered into his Majesty's Victualling Stores, at Deptford, one half of each species by the 10th, and the other half by the 30th of June next. Samples of the O a t mea l and Pease, of not le than thre e less quarts, and of the Cocoa of not less than three pounds weight each, will be required to be produced with the Ten ders for those articles. OAT ce he conditio ns o f t h e Contracts may be seen at this , ..‘ . , . • iv l' t M, . ...Si, "C% - , 1 , • -,„t (~.-,''''''''''' - 1° - - -..." /, . - \.. 1 ... Ilt',"-rt• V4 l4‘ - 0....... . ~ ......,cm... - ', • e: - .cf; 0‘ _____ • .....I 4 ,A : 0 '-,----,-, ~ 4 --,,, ~,,............,,,.. to nn ~,.., =, .0 ~,,..„ - - , . Vl4:-.‘' :87:11--. ''n4..°—:‘:2\9-1, ST:ttst.l::34t?4,-.?'71.. '74-----f i 6- \ --,,,- • 41 N ' '41,4'.1.,,e' . " 4 r '. ° I Tai iqaitt 1011 , 10, _____ ___ _ _ ________ _ ______ ____ WEDNESDAY EVENING, MAY 23, 1827. No. 10,827. PRICE 7D YORKSHIRE PORCELAIN, the state of the war with respect to this subject was a great grievance to Dissenters. There was an Indemnity Bill, which in fact was no indemnity, for if he understood rightly, any Dissenter, serving his Majesty, was liable, not withstanding the Indemnity Act, to be fined 300/., and he put it to Hon. Gentlemen, whether such a state of things should exist, and Dissenters, serving hia Majesty, L..; left at the mercy of informers. Mr. WOOD presented a petition from the Cotton Weavers of Cobley-under-Line, complaining of distress. Sir N. COLTHURST presented a petition froxi the Ship-owners of Cork, praying the House to enact measures to protect the trade in British Shipping. THE FLEET PRISON. ILIST received from the R OCKINGHAM 0 , WORKS, at MORTLOCK'S, 250, Oxford -street, near Hyde-park, who respectfully solicit their numerous Customers to an Inspection of the same, with their Splen did and Extensive Stock of BREAKFAST, DINNER, DESSERT, TEA, SUPPER, and BED-ROOM SER VICES, (amounting to some thousands), from the most celebrated Manufactories ; also a few Sets are remaining of that valuable and rare NANTGAREW PORCELAIN.— Each Tender must specify the Price in words at length, and be delivered befciE One o'Clock en the day appointed ; and the person who makes the Tender, or seine person on his behalf, must attend to answer when called for. M. WALLER CLIFTON. The Ornamental Department embraces every approved form and embellishment, and is dispoing of at a consider ble reduction, together with GLASS, EARTHENWARE, and the Old Stuck, which is clearing off to make room for the New Patterns daily arriving. The well known ROCKINGHAM TEA POTS can now be supplied in any quantity. CONTRACTS FOR NURSES CLOTHING. ROYAL HOSPITAL FOR SEAMEN, GREENWICH, MAT 1 1, 1827. SUCH Persons as may be willing to enter into a Contract for One Year, to supply GOWNS, CLOAKS, and BONNETS, to the Nurses of this Insti tution, agreeably to Patterns, to be seen at the Steward's Office, may deliver in their proposals to the Directors at thi s place on Saturday, the 26th Inst., at Eleven o'Clock in the Forenoon, but none will be received after that hour. In the mean time, Forms of Proposals, and particulars as to quality, period of delivery, &c., will he obtained at the Steward's Office here. Parties desirous of contracting trust personally attend on the day and hour aforesaid, and no tenders will be re ceived from any who are not dealers in the articles for Which they offer. a b l3r° Posals are required to be agreeable to the forms ove-mentioned, and to contain the names and residence of two responsible Sureties; and it is also requested, that the 1 " rd " Tender" be written on the address of each propo otherw.se no regard will be paid to them. Mr. HUME presented a petition from a person named IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. Lynn, who was lately confined in the Fleet prison. Th e petitioner complained of the rules aed regulations which prevailed in the prison, and also that the accommodation of the prisoners was unnecessarily re stricted. The Honourable Gentleman said he knew that the arrangements with the Flr,rt prison were under the superintendence of the Chief-Justice of the Coin won Pleas, but he I.ought that as the syster. did not ap pear to work well, the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of the Home department ought to interfere, and, if neces sary, move that the subject should be referred to a Com mittee of that House. ROUSE OF LORDS, ilar 22. The Doke of BEDFORD, the Bishop of BRISTOL, the Earl of ALBEMARLE, and Lord FERBERS, took the oaths and their seats. Sir ALEXANDER GRANT and others, brought up from the Commcns, the Bill to prevent the application of Cor poration funds, for promoting the Election of Members to Serve in Parliament. Mr. Alderman Woon and others: brought up the Bill for the better regulation of Watermen and Lightermen on the Thames. The Bills were read a first time. On the motion of Lord HOLLAND, the Bill for form ing a navigable communication between Norwich and Lowestoft, 7, as read a third time and passed. Tb UKE OF YORK'S MONUMEN T. HETHIRTEENTH LIST of SUB ti 19th SCRIPTIONS ' U for the We"? : ending SATRDAT, e May. C ommittee Room, Horse Guards, May 21, 187::7. Received at Messrs. Drummond's. Captain J. Banner Brevet M ajor H. 13.£3 0 0 or Hall 2 2 0 lltaj G Lieut.- General Sir F. l 3romehead Robinson -£ll 3 0 Messrs. Hoare's. ( hie day's pay from the Non-Commissioned Of ficers and Drummers of the Permanent Staff of the King's Own Staffordshire Mi litia 10 0 Brutton, Go vernor o f S ta ff ordshire Gaol I I 0 Messrs. Jones, Ll o yd, an d Co. £6 11 0 Major Vireare, H.P. M a Mews. Coutts an d C o . jor Ell ard, H.P. Sut geon Hama Paiiharn Navin, E a q 1 1 0 L ica. W. Slater, H.P. 101st Regiment ll 0 £4 4 0 ie Messrs. Smith, P ayne, and Sm i th. Messrs. E. Jackaou, 20th Regiment l2 0 Messrs. Hanimersley and Co. eiffi ee") NOll COMMIIESiOIIed Officers, end Pri vates of the Service Companies in Portugal of the 1 0t h Foot 41 5 10 ,thhe Depot of the 10 th F oo t 2l 8 7 17 16 5 e D e p ot of the 86th Regiment £BO 10 10 Rec eived at Dru • AZSTRACT. nnnond's £ll 3 0 Hoare's Jones and Lloyd 1 1 0 Coutts Smith, Payne, and Co. Hammersley -...- ilbscriptions for week ending S a t u rday, kuy 19 - rlO5 11 10 amoun t of former Subscriptions ______ Total ithY 21) 1827 ED. MAITLAND, Gen. Hon. S ec . FR • PRIVATE PUPIL.—A Married Clergy .er,„-" l '' 44 t for so me years T utor to a N o bl eman, and sub di4tlY rec e i v i ng Six Pupils into his hone*, a moderate w i t ,"ea from London, would be glad t o fill a V acancy ZcillGentleman's SN, whose Educati on c: H ea lth may ir e Poore than usual attention.—Letters directed for H. S., at Masers. Hard;ng and L!pard'sstc,B, / o_ o ok r: - "atd ed to him ' the No. 4 Pall Mall Eas y . t, London, will be duly ....,.._ • Countr I A d ay was published, in 2 vols. Bvo. price Li. 65., boards. I'OPUL.AR COMMENTARY on the 01 d , r . DIBLE, in a Series of Sermons following, in the a nd v'estament, the Course of the First Lessons at Morning . r -4 1 , ten ing Service on Suadays. Designed for Parish 4-c 'es, or for reading in Private Families. By the Rev. J. 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ANOASSORTMENT OF CANTEENS, ready fitted W i l , t - "ie necessar requisites for India and other tropical ti -- " at " i likewise agreat variety of Silver and Plated Articles, knives and Forks suitable for famili es going ab Nil ; Atilitary and HindOstannee Books, Maps, &c. , FHIONABLE STOCK of Carriage, Curricle, Adena Plueton, Stanhope and Chaise HARNESS, with every description of Saddlery, &c. &c. for home use, East and Weat Indis, and South America, which merit inspec tion from their exceplrleiLt .quality, brat style of workman ship, and moderate All the Articles in this Establishment are warranted, and the excellent plan of fift adhered to, of asking one Ready Y Year s l rdin is still strictly but from ney Price, Which no abatement will be made. WILKINSON'S I ANTI-CORROSION PAINT. R. WILKINSON Manufacturer to the • Hon. 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Th e ie are particularly cautioned -against any Color s th at 4 1 be imp ose d upon them for the Genuine Anti-Corrosion, J. R. W. being a 11Ianufactur of all other Paints and C olors, begs leave to offer to theirsnotice, Paints applicable to tornmon purpoass.---Stone, Invisible Green, Brown or Chocolate. Also White Lead, Oil, Turpentin e , V arnishes, SPenn and Lamp Oils o f the finest pre c4l4t lY Reduced P r i oes . Th e supe rio p r ared qu a li ty, at pe excellence of the ,rnPerial Tuscan and Saxon Olive Green s is kept up, and !key may be had in quantities from 7ib. upvvarde. A li.. 4ral allowance to the trade. SCOTCH APPEALS. The Earl of ABERDEEN begged to call the attention of the House to the system at present prevailing with respect to Scotch Appeals. A judgment had been yesterday pro nounced, by which the decision of the Court of Session lu Scotland was 7 . :7versed ; but the Learned Judge, who acted as Deputy Speaker, ncjili having it in his power to state the reasons eel:Lich - influenced him in sug gesting that judgmeni to their Lordships, nothing was known on the subject farther than that the decision of the Court below was reversed. Now, if that appeal were useful it was as much so because it fixed and settled the principles of the law, upon which the decree was reversed. But in the present instance nothing was known except the conclusion that was come to. The only security the people of Scotland had for the due consideration of their causes was the public declaration of the reasons which guided the House or rather the Learned Judge in forming their decision. In fact, the total silence as to those rea sons, reminded the Noble Lord of the Judge in Rabelais, who, for SO years, had the reputation of the most profound legal knowledge, until it was at length discovered, that he decided all his causes by throwing up dice. If the pre sent system were persevered in, as a measure of utility and convenience, he thought that the Learned Judge should not only he permitted, but required to state his reasons, at least, whenever the judgment of the Court below was to be reversed. The Noble Lord trusted, therefore, that the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack would use his ii.luence in opening the mouths of his deputies. The Earl of ROSLYN said, that the inconvenience complained of was one to which they were exposed from the laws and constitution of the country, whenever his Majesty pleased to commit the sale to the custody of a Lord Keeper instead of a Lord Chancellor.— This was a practice which had prevailed from time im memorial ; he was very much afraid that the Noble and Learned Lord could not succeed in opening the mouths of those who presided in his absence, unless be were to ad vise his Majesty to elevate them to the Peerage. At the same time the Noble Lord thought it would be very ad visable that the learned persons who heard appeals should have an opportunity of declaring their reasons. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that no one felt more strongly than himself the inconvenience of the present system ; but their Lordships must be aware that the course now pursued, was not i.itended to be permanent. —With respect to the particular case alluded to by the Noble Lord, he assured him that the Lord Chief Baron had paid the most anxious attention to it. He did not come to a decision immediately after the case was discussed at the bar, but after the interval of a day he came down and intimated his opinion to a Noble Lord, who said that lie had not the least doubt that the decision in question was good and just. Although the rea sons had not been stated, and he trusted that the tri bunal in Scotland would feel no mortification at the result, it was but due to the Learned Judge who presid ed on the occasion, to say there was no man better skilled in, or more capable of interpreting the Scotch laws. He made this remark to obviate any prejudice which might arise from what had fallen from the Noble Earl of Aberdeen. The Noble and Learned Lord also owed it in justice to himself to declare that the present incon venience did not result from his temporary measures, but was likely at any time to occur from the very Constitution of Parliament, and it frequently happened in former times that the most eminent judges who filled the situation of Lord Keeper& were not in a condition to state the grounds of their decisions. Lord COLCHESTER and the Earl of ABERDEEN made a few observations. CORN BILL. Lord BEXLEY said, he wished it to be generally un derstood that the discussion on the Corn Bill would po s i.. tively take place on Friday next. The House then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY, MAY 22. The House sat at four o'clock. Mr. DUNDAS presented a petition from Edinburgh, in favour of the Salmon Fishery Bill. The House resolved itself into a Committee on Graham's Divorce Bill. Witnesses were examined, the House re sumed, and the report was ordered to he received to morrow. Mr. HUME moved that the report of the Committee on the Edinburgh Oil Gas Bill, now on the table of the House, should be Lien into consideration to-morrow se'unight. Sir R. FERGUSSON objected to the course which the Hon. Member suggested. The persons interested in the Bill had a right to know whether it was intended to refer the Bill to an Appeal Conatnittet!. After a few words from Mr. CALCRAFT and tl , l SPEAKER, in explanation of the Orders of the House, the Motion was agreed to. Sir R. FERGUSSON preeLated a petition from Dundee in favour of the Salmon Fishery Bill—Referred to the Committee. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a petition from the Prote►tant Dissenters of Jewin-street Chapel, praying for the repeal of the Corporation and Test Acts. Mr. GUEST presented a similar petition from a Pottery in the County of Devon. Similar petitions were presented from Salisbury, and from a place in the County of Cambridge. Mr. H. HUTCHINSON presented a petition from Messrs. Beamish and Crawford of Cork, against the Salmon Fishery Bill. Mr. HOBHOUSE presented a petition from the Seamen of the Port of Newcastle, praying for the abolition of the practice of impressing Seamen. Mr. MABERLY presented a petition from the Dis senters of Abingdon, Berks, praying for the Repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts. The lion. Umber *aid ; that Mr. Secretary STURGES BOURNE said the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas was now engaged in consider ing the expediency of a plan which would put this prison on the best footing. The subject had been before a Commit tee of the House in 1824, and that Committee recom mended that a physician should be appointed, which had been carried into execution by his Right Hon. Predecessor. Since he (Mr. S. Bourne) came into office, he had ordered that a sick room should be set apart, and a nurse to attend cn persons who were ill. It was well known that the prison was very disadvantageously situated, which prevented many improvements that might otherwise be made. The City of London had ocfered a site on the other side of the water for a prison, and the only objection to this proposal was the expense. However, the whole subject was under consideration, and he did not think it would be judicious for the House to take any step at pre scnt.—(lfear, hear.) The petition was then brought up and laid on the table. KING'S BENCH PRISON. Mr. HUME then moved for a Return of the Number of Prisoners in the King's Bench Prison, since 1813, distin guishing those confifftd within the walls from those who had the benefit of the Rules, and stating the number re.. spectively in each month of each year.—Ordered. CURRENCY OF IRELAND. Sir H. PARNELL presented a petition from the Mer chants and Tradesmen of the city of Dublin respecting the Currency and Banking systetn of Ireland. TEST AND CORPORATION ACTS. Lord MILTON presented a petition from the Protestant Dissenters of Driffield, in the county of York, praying for the Repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts.—Ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed. Lord MILTON presented a similar petition from the Protestant Dissenters of Cotherstone, in the county of York. The petitioners stated, that by these statutes one of the most solemn ordinances of the Christian Church_ that of marriage—was perverted from its sacred design, and prostituted to !ocular purposes. The petition was ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed. Lord MILTON next presented similar petitions from the Protestant Dissenters of Holniforth, Great Rippon, and Burlington, in the county of York. Lord MILTON, in presenting a similar petition from the Protestant Dissenters of Huddersfield, begged to draw the attention of the House to a passage in a letter accom panying this petition, which had been sent to him by a Dissenting Minister of great respectability and learning. This passage was the more important, as it had been often stated in that House, that the Protestant Dissenters ge nerally were adverse to the emancipation of Roman Catholic Dissenters, The Minister from whom he received this letter stated, that though undoubtedly many of the Protes tant Dissenters might he opposed to what was called Catholic Emancipation from wrong and partial views of the question, he was persuaded that by far the greater number of those who were best informed, and who possessed the highest consideration among them, were decidedly in favour of that measure. The petition wa% ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed. CORONERS' FEES. Sir R. VIVIAN presented a petition from the Coroners of the county of Cornwall, praying for an increase of their Fees and Allowances.—Ordered to lie u., the table. TEST AND CORPORATION ACTS. Sir R. WILSON presented a petition from some of the most respectable Protestant Dissenters of the Borough of Southwark, praying not only for the Repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts, but for the repeal of all laws im posing restrictions on his Majesty's subjects for their reli gious opinions. He would take this opportunity o f cor recting some misconstruction which had gone forth, as to what he had stated on a former occasion in that House.— What he had said was, that he was so sincere a friend to religious liberty that he would rather share the fat e o f t h e oppressed, than benefit by a participation in the privileges of the oppressor. As a proof of the feeling existing among Protestant Dissenters in favour of Catholic Emancipation, he would mention the fact, that at a meeting held in the Borough, at which SO Ministers belonging to the three de nominations of Protestant Dissenters were present, they were all, with a single exception, favourable to Catholic Emancipation ; and even the Minister who was unfavour able to that measure declared that he would rather see Ca tholics in Parliament than give his approbation to a mec sure by which religion was profaned and prostituted to tem poral advantages. Mr. WELLS stated that the Protestant Dissenters among his Constituents were unfavourable to Catholic Emancipation. Lord MILTON observed, that the Member for Maid stone (Mr. 'Wells) had borne testimony, as far as his local kut ,ledge went to 4 1 'e sentiments of that portion of his Constituents which was not disposed to support Catholic Emancipation. For his part, he (Lord Milton) had fre quently communicated with a great number of Dissenters, and, as far as his testimony went, he could state that the Dissenting Ministers in congregations were uniformly in favour of absolute liberty of conscience. They were anxious to do away with all those laws which interposed between man and his Creator, and to put au end to every civil dis qualification on the ground of religious opinions. He (Lord Milton) regretted that the Dissenters of Maidstone did not participate in the sentiments of almost all the Dissenters in the county of York. Lord NUGENT denied that Protestants were generally unfavourable to the question of Catholic Emancipation...— He (Lord Nugent) represented a body of upwards of 2000 constituents, a large proportion of whom were Dissenters. He had been returned without a canvass, and without in curring a single shilling of expense; and, though the elec tors could not be ignorant of his sentiments on the great question of Catholic Emancipation, he had uniformly made it his business, as be felt it to be his duty, at the close of every Address he made to them, to say, " Do not be de ceived ; if you elect me, you will elect one who will vote heart and soul for Catholic Emancipation." Upon this understanding, and under these circumstances, he had been elected with the concurrence and support of the electo'•s belonging to the four great sects of Protestant Dissenters. Mr. W. HARVEY maintained that the claims of the Protestant Dissenters were founded upon principles of im mutable justice, since they denied that any human power ought to interpose between them and filch Creator ; whereas the Catholics were strenuous advocates for inter ference of the most arbitrarykind, and for the interposition of human ordinances in 'natters of religion. He was per suaded, that if ever the Catholic religion again obtained an ascendancy in this kingdom, it would be unfavourable, if not entirely hostile, to the principle of the Protestant Dis senters.—The petition was ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed. Lord HOWICK presented a similar petition from a place of which we did not catch the name. Mr. JONES observed that the Protestant Die enters of Caermartheushire were generally opposed to Catholic Emancipation, and expressed his surprise that the Noble Lord opposite should have inferred, from the opinion of a solitary individual, that all the Protestant Dissenters of the county of York were favourable to that measure. Lord MILTON denied that he had inferred, from one solitary instance, that all the Protestant Dissenters of th; county of York were favourable to the Catholic Claims. He had had frequent communications with Dissenters in various parts of that county, and the result of those com munications justified him in declaring his opinion, that the Protestant Dissenters of York were generally favourable to the removal of civil disabiliti , s from their Roman Catholic brethren. As the Honourable Member for Caermarthen shire (Mr. Jones) had misunderstood what had fallen from him, he would again read, for his illumination, the passage in the letter of the respectable Dissenting Minister to which he had adverted. The Noble Lord again read the passage, and contended, that although the Honourable Member for Caermartheushire had a right to bear testi mony to the sentiments of his constituents, he had no right to attempt to weaken the effect of the statement •••hick he (Lord Milton) was enabled to make, as to the sentiments of Protestant Dissenters in the part of the country with which he was connected. Mr. JONES repeated, that the statement made by the Noble Lord appeared to be foundA upon the solitary opinion of one individual. Lord MILTON totally denied that he hod said ‘ 1111y,; to justify the observation of the Honourable Member for Caermartheushire. He had distinctly stated that he had had other communications from Protestant Dissenters to the same effect. Mr. WELLS took that opportunity of observing that the Protestant Dissenters of the county of Kent were ge nerally opposed to Catholic Emancipation. The petition was ordered to lie on the table and to be printed. Dr. LUSHINGTON presented a petition from the Pro testant Dissenters of Stradbroke, in the county of Suffolk, praying for the Repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts. Ordered to lie on the table and to be printed. JURISDICTION OF THE COURT OF CHANCERY. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR, in submitting to the House his motion relative to the Separation of Cases of Bankruptcy from the Jurisdiction of the Court of Chancery, felt him self called upon to occupy the attention of the House at some, though, he trusted, at no very protracted length. Often as he had advocated this question before the House, he felt that he should be unable to discharge what he con sidered to be his duty to the public, unless the House would lend him its serious attention. Questions of this nature were not, in general, very palatable to the House, because they did not afford any opportunity for the display of eloquence, or for the introduction of such topics as were calculated to contribute to the amusement of the House. He wished particularly to impress upon the minds of Hon. Gentlemen the nature of the measure which it was his in tention to introduce, and upon which he meant to take the sense of the House. The question was one of no ordinary importance; it was not a question of an isolated cha racter, but it was a question in which the whale body of the people of England was deeply interested. He was sa tisfied that without some such reform in the business of the Court of Chancery as that which he should submit to the T - Teuse, all attempts to relieve the suitor would be in effectual. He had been repeatedly told on former occasion+, in bringing this subject before the House, that to recom mend to the House any reform of the business of the Court of Chancery was to pronounce a libel on the character of the Chancellor. Let the good man, it was said, who holds the office of Chancellor, live out his time ; and then, if you will, reform the Court. Such was the language which was formerly urged against proposed forms of the Court of Chancery. Ile had yet to learn whether, after the changes which had lately taken place, he should be supported in his attempt to introduce reform. At any rate he would do his duty, and let the Government do theirs. The whole truth should be fairly stated. If the system still worked ill, its defects should be still exposed ; for it was absurd to say that new brooms would sweep better than the old, and that, therefore, there was no necessity to introduce reform. The question which he was about to bring under the considera tion of the House was not one of a complicated nature; lie should, in discussing it, appeal to the plain common sense of Hon• Members. Cases of bankruptcy were not origi nally appended to the Great Seal ; they were appended to it by statute, as the jurisdiction in cases of lunacy had been added by a special commission. To reen of plain intellect like himself, it was perfectly clear that the individual filling the office of Chancellor had more to do than human power was capable of performing, and that the wisest course would be to rid him of an appendage to hie office which was not of the essence of the Great Seal. There would be no difficulty in selecting a person to discharge with efficacy the duties of which he proposed to relieve the Chancellor. He was sorry that he did not see a Right Hon. Gentleman in his place, whom he should have reminded, if he had been present, of an expression which had fallen from him on a former occasion. He (Mr. M. A. Taylor) begged to say, that he never quarrelled with men for changing their opinions---all he did was to defend his own opinions ; and on this occasion he might be permitted to say, that some of the greatest men who had ever adorned this country en tertained the same opinions. It was certainly with some astonishment he had heard that the motion he intended to make this night was to be opposed. That motion was merely—that the House should resolve itself into a Com mittee, to take into its serious consideration the statute of the 13th Elizabeth, and other statutes which gave to the Lord High Chancellor jurisdiction in matters of bank ruptcy. He had often had occasion to bring this question before the House, to expose the delays of the Court of Chancery, and to endeavour to introduce some reforms cal culated to benefit the suitor ; but he had always been met by the assertion, that the introduction of such questions was an attack on the character of the Chancellor. Nu man could entertain a higher respect than he did for the great and splendid talents and the profound legal knowledge of the late Chancellor; but he had often felt surprise, that when that learned person saw every day before him the mischief resulting from the state of the Court of Chan cery, he had made nn attempt to reform the abuses of the existing system. He (Mr. M. A. Taylor) trusted that if he did not succeed in his motion to-night, he should suc ceed on some other night, for he was determined not to abandon the question. There were some gentlemen in that House who were disposed to attribute all the evils arising from the Court of Chancery to one man, and others who entirely differed from them in this opinion. For his part, he (Mr. M. A. Taylor) stood upon his own opinions ; and he thought they were net to be told, at this time of day, that Parliament ought to wait because there was a new Ad ministration, and a new Judge of the Court of Chancery. It should be recollected that no effectual step had yet been taken to reform the Court of Chancery. None of re commendations in she Report drawn le , by his lamented Friend, Sir S. Romilly, had been adopted ; and the country had little reason to place any confidence in promisee of Re form, unless Parliament carried such promises into effect. Towards the Noble Lord who now filled the office of Lord Chancellor, he had no feeling but one of kindness. He had no doubt that, raised and elevated as he had been to that high dignity, and aware, as he must be, of the ruin and distress which had been occasioned by the existing system—ruin and distress which in many cases that he (Mr. M. A. Taylor) could detail, were enough to make a man's heart bleed—he would, at the first blush, think of improvement ? but be might also think of the profits aris ing from eases of bankruptcy. The present Master of the Rolls, a particular friend of his, had, by his eminent ser vices in th e office of Vice-Chancellor, assisted by the exer tions of Sir Wm. Grant, while he remained as Master of the Rolls, contributed in a great degree to preserve the character of the Court. He was convinced indeed, that if it had not been for their efforts the Court of Chancery could not have gone on ; and he believed there was none of the late appointments or elevations which had given greater satisfaction than that of the promotion of that learned person to the Rolls. He contended, however, that the de lays of the Court of Chancery took their date long previous to the time of Lord Eldon. Many persons supposed they were owing to the conduct of Solicitors, but he knew . that the body of that profession had several times attempted to remedy the oil. The Hon. *ntleman then entered into a defence of the conduct of the Solicitors of that Court, and related some circumstances connected with their efforts to amend the practice. About three years ago, a Com mission had been appointed to inquire, as well into the best mode of remedying the delays of th a t C our t, as i n to the question o f w h a t part of th e "business could be withdrawn ; and after two years' investigation, the lamed person now elevated to the dignity of Lord Chancellor introduced a Bill into that House, founded upon the recommendations of the Report. That Bill, however, thus founded upon the recall- mendations of that Commission, contained propositions and clauses so absurd and ridiculous, that no Member of that House, who had any common sense, could be found to support it ; and, after a short time, it was withdrawn under a pretence of the late period of the Session.—[The Chan cellor of the Exchequer having entered the House at this moment, the Hon. Gentleman again stated the object of his motion, and expressed a hope that the Right Hon. Gentle man wouldsrant him the same assistance and support now, which he had so ably afforded him in the year 1813. - j On the 11 th of March, 1813, siren he had brought for ward his propositions upon the subject of the Vice-Chan cellor's Bill, the Right Hon. Gentleman declared, "it seemed to him most advisable that some amendment should he proposed which might tend to relieve the Chancellor - , by stripping his office of some great limb of its ordinary bu siness. There was no part of that business the abstraction of which would be liable to less objection than that which was not of the essence of the office, but only superadded to it by statute. He had consequently stated, on a former occasion, that if any one proposed such au amendment, and if the House adopted it, he should support the Bill with his vote." The Right Hon. Gentleman haying expressed those opinions upon the subject then, he called upon him to support them now ; and he, at the same time, hoped the whole Administration would step forward and give him their support in compliance with the unanimous expression of the feeling of the country. He had conversed with all classes, agricultural and commercial, and he was bound to say they all viewed the (Heys and evils of the Court of Chancery in the same light. They declared, one and all, that the Court of Chancery produced such inordinate ex peaces, and such vexatious delays, that it amounted almost to a high misdemeanor in the Government to suffer their continuance—(Hear, hear, hear.)—As a proof of the opi nions entertained by commercial men on the subject of the present Administration of the Bankrupt Laws, he would beg to refer the House to a Report made in March last, by the Committee appointed by the Common Council of the City of London to inquire into the state of the law and its influence upon the interests of trade. As that Report had not yet been published, and Members of the House could not be supposed much acquainted with its purport, he would take leave to read an extract or two for their infor mation. The Report states, " that the Committee having been appointed to take into its consideration the propriety of presenting petitions to both Houses of Parliament for constituting a regular Tribunal for the administration of the Bankrupt Laws, certify to the Court, that after having procured copies of the opinions of many professional men, and the evidence of some of the most respect able Merchants, Bankers, and Traders in the Cit•; of Lon don, and having corresponded with some of the most re spectable merchants and traders in Liverpool, Gloucester, Bristol, Manchester, and elsewhere, as well as with the most eminent Barristers, Solicitors and Commissioners, in those towns ; and that after having considered their evi dence, annexed to the Report, and looking to all the in formation they had received on this most important subject —they are fully of opinion that the present state of the Bankrupt Laws, as no , e , administered in this country, is totally inconsistent, and at variance with the intention and meaning of the original constitution of those laws—and that the present system of the administration of the Ba^`-- rupt Laws falls short of the necessities required by fEe commercial interests of this country—and that after hav ing witnessed the nature os the administration of the law by the Court of Commissioners, they are strongly of opi nion, that the Bankrupt Lew requires speedy and material alteration." The expression of such opinions, the Hon. Gentleman observed, connected with and supported by such testimony, from all classes of society, rendered little observation necessary from him with respect to the necessity of the separation he required of Bankruptcy from the Great Seal. The Hon. Member then adverted to the opinions expressed by Sir Samuel Romilly upon the subject of the Secretary of Bankrupts not being an accounting of f icer ; and read from the Report of the Chancery Com mission, of which he was Chairman, a passage in Sir Samuel Romilly's own band-writing . relative to the inex pediency of suffering the Lord Chancellor to derive, as he did at present, a great portion of his emoluments from the fees received by officers, while he did not acknowledge that he so received them. The consequence of such a proceeding was, that if the officer took a larger fee than be was entitled to, the Chancellor, upon an appeal to him, was compelled, as a Judge, to pronounce an opinion in a case where he was directly interested. These fees, if they were necessary to compose a salary to the Lord Chancellor, it was then pro posed to abolish altogether, and to increase the Chancellor's salary by a sum equal to their amount, for it never could be supposed that the highest officer in the kingdom was to be supported by what may he considered nothing short of a tax upon distress and insolvency.—(Hear, hear, hear.) —lf he wanted any argument for a separation of these duties of the Chancellor, he thought this part of the fees taken by the Secretary to be sufficient. Lord Thurlow bad settled the reversion of the office upon an infant ; and whe ther Lord Eldon had given it to his son or not he did not know, but he thought it disgraceful to the country that so much money should be paid when no work was done.•.-. (Hear, hear.)----The Commissioners had given two reasons against the separation of Bankruptcy from the Great Seal —first, that Bankruptcy cases required a Judge of extra ordinary abilities and great Equity knowledge; and next, that in case of such a separation the time of the Court of Chancery might not be fully occupied. lie contended that these reasons were wholly unsatisfactory ; that the business of the Court of Equity required the whole time of a Judge; and that so far from his being at present able to devote that time to the dispensing of equity, three parts of it were taken up with cases of bankruptcy. It had been referred to the Commission, to inquire how far there might be auy separation of the business brought before the Lord Chan cellor ; and it had been clearly given in evidence by the most eminent persons examined, that the separation of Bankruptcy from that business was an object mor,t desirable. --(The Hon. Member then at some length the evi dence of the Chief Baron and others to that effect.)—lt was quite impossible for any one man to discharge the whole of the business that was new attached to the dice of Lord Chancellor. Let any man look at the business that was to be done, and declare, if he could, that it was at all prac ticable for any man to discharge the multifarious duties cf the Lord Chancellor. If the evil was seen, as every man must see it, why continue it ? He would adopt the ex pression of Mr. Shadwell—that the business of the Court of Chancery was such, that three angels could not get through it. There was the less necessity for the continu ance of this hardship on the suitors of the Court, as there were many able persons so competent to the office of Judge in Bankruptcies. A competent and efficient Judge would remedy the delay, and other inconveniences, that at present attended the practice in bankruptcy cases. He hoped the Government would not be satisfied by granting little points, or adopting any partial measures ; if any error or imperfec tion still remained, whilst he had life be would continue to expose it from time to time, and take the sense of the House, as he would do now. The Hon. and Learned Mem ber concluded by moving, that " the House resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider the sta tute of the 13th of Elia. and the statutes which have been subsequently passed, giving authority to the Great Seal in cases of Bankruptcy."—(Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME seconded the motion. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL commenced by observ ing, that his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. T.) was en titled to great praise for the uniform and persevering zeal which he had exhibited in this important cause. The public owed him great obligations for the assiduity and at tention he had bestowed upon the subject. Thia he felt himself bound in justice to state, although he might not quite agree with his Hon. Friend in some of his views upon it. Whatever may be the result of the present discussion in this House, it would, at all events, he was satisfied, afford satisfaction, and be attended with advantage. As to the motion itself, he would not be disposed, probably, to offer any opposition to it, if his Hon. Friend had stated any specific plan. Nor, has he stated that any benefit would of necessity follow, if the House were to enter into the Committee which he proposes. As no such beneficial result was even proposed, and as he did not anticipate any, he felt it his duty to oppose the motion. In doing this, he would be very brief in the statement of the facts which induced him to do so. And first, he would state that it had always been an opinion of his —one which he had entertained himself, and which, though not then a INlenilier of the House, be had stated to those with whom he had opportunities of communication, at the time of the appointment of the Office of Vice-Chan cellor; namely, that instead of finding places for men co fill up, it was better to act upon the contrary principle, of finding proper men to fill the places already created. 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His Hon. and Learned Friend Led stated, that if any thing more than another was calculated to produce dissatisfaction with the proceedings in Chancery, it was that constitue tional caution, that slowness of decision, which amounted to delay; and which, in its practical effects on the suitors of that court, while it gave satisfaction to some, created dissatisfaction an: discontent amongst many.—(Hear.)— Now, if there should be found in an individual placed in. that gig's situation any peculiar excess of caution (wh:-.O a was in itself a laudable quality) that gave dissatisfacti n, it did not follow that they must, of necessity, resort t. a multiplication of judges, and to an entirely new-modell fig of the court. That, he feared, would not cure the evil. The very learned and eminent individual who was the second Vice-Chancellor (Sir J. Leach) had expressed the same opinion in that House ; and the truth of that opinion was afterwards fully illustrated. —He should now proceed to state a few facts, from which he would . deduce this inference, that with three efficient judges,--and such they had,—there was not the least necessity for subtracting from the Court of Chancery any part of the jurisdiction ve2eich is now pos sessed; nor would the public have any cause eo complain that the bankruptcy cases were not separated reom the Great Seal. He did not mean to say, that if the legeslo ture chose to disjoin these powers, no person could fie found adequate to the fair adjudication of bankruptcy cases : he entertained no superstitious fear that they could not find an individual calculated to perform the functions of a separate judge in those cases 7 but before they adopted such a course of policy, he thought it was necessary that its expediency should be established. He should now advert to the business in the Court of Chancery during the last year. He should take the whole of the ceses of all descriptions, and then point oat what the late Vice- Chancellor had done to relieve the Court from the burden by which it was pressed. His Hon. and Leareeel Friend, as , well as many oth er H on . M em b e r s , we ll k n i w th e curse ot practice in Chancery; but as it might not be equally N . !:t'd known to ali, be should briefly describe it. The first pee.- cecding in a case was by bill and answer. When the ease was heard, in the first instance, it might be ordered for further hearing-.-sometimes on exceptions to the bill, sometimes on exceptions to the answer. Besides these protracted eases, there was a considerable number which were disposed of very shortly. With respect to motions, there had been no complaint ef delay until within the last two years, when, from eircuaistatices to which he- need not call the attention of the House, considerable delay had oc curred. Now the number of cases set down in the Court of Chancery during the last four terms eesed thus:—Original cases, 322; cases of farther direction and exception, 7C; cases of exception, 30 ; pleas and demurrers, 45. He oext came to the Master of the Polls, in w h ose cou rt there wee .het down —of the first class of cases, 258 ; of tile second, 93 ; o'f the third, l 7; and none of the fourth. The total amount was 580 original cases; 171 cases fee further direction and ex ceptions; 47 cases of exceptions ; and 45 plea and de murrers. This he would take to be the average number of cases that were to be disposed of in the course of a year. The question then was, what number of cases WAS one Judge capable of getting through in the course of a year In answer to that, he would call on the House to look to experience. The late Vice-Chancellor had, during the four yeare which preceded his severe illness, disposed of a great variety of cases. He fiche Attorney-General) had taken the average, so as to give a correct idea of the num ber which that Learned Gentleman had decided in one rear. From that calculation it appeared that Sic J. Leach, ase late Vice-Chancellor, had in one year disposed of 450 Causes of the first class ; 212 of the second and third ; and. 79 pleas and demerrers. So that, if they deducted from the namber of cases of all kinds set down, in the last year, before the Lord Chancellor and the Master of the Rolls, wbat the Vice-Chancellor had Leen able to dec id e upon it the course of a year, they would find the result to be, that it only left 130 causes in the first elan, nine in the second and none in the third. Now, could any man suppose, if one individua' wera capable ~f going through such a mass of business, that two Learned Judges were not able to manage a much greater portion ? These cases were regularly set down before the Lord Ch_ icellor or the Master of the Rolls ; the Vice-Chancellor, who was a sort of supernumerary Judge, took the overflowing of the practice in other Courts. He now came to the cases in bankruptcy, to which his Hon. and Learned Friend stated that his argument cl,:sfly api,lied. He should take the average number of bankruptcy cases for the three last ye es. From this it appeared, that there had been, in each of these years, 590 petitions in bankruptcy cases. To this point he called the particular attention of the Home, because it had immediate reference to the mature of the jurisdiction which his Hon. and Learned Friend wished to sever from the Court of Chancery. Let the House then look to what the Vice-Chancellor had done during tlse last four years. He would not, on account of that Learned Cietatleman's ill ness, refer to an an t er i or p er i o d. Th e Vi ce -Chancellor had, on th e average , di spose d o f 4 5 3 bankruptcy pe e;,eions, in each year, during that period. Deduct that numbe..r from 590, and it left 137 petitions to be disposed of bye the Chancellor. He had already shown, that the Vice- Chancellor had, in one year, disposed of cease in the first class, to which he haul before referred, so as, when de ducted from the average total number act doWn, to leave only 130 for decision ; and not more than nine in the se cond or third classes. This was not more than an active Judge would dispose of in a Term ; and yet these remained through the year. What had been the progress of busi ness in the Vice-Chancellor's Court when the late Master of the Rolls recovered his health? There were, at that time, four terms in arrear ; so, that, when he returned to his professional duties, lie found that there was a consider able accumulation of business. To meet that arrear, the Vice-Chancellor began by reducing it, in the proportion of one term each year; so that, in the second year, the-.e were only three terms in arrear; in the third, two; a;,d at present, he believed, the arrear was very trifling, anti would, in a very short time, be wholly removed. Vie had now given a simple statement of the business in Chats eery. If his Hon. and Learned Friend asked bins what was the reason of the delay in deciding the remainder of the cases, lie must beg leave to decline answering that questiou.--(Hear, hear.)—He was merely stating a series of facts ; and it did no t ma k e against his slew of the subject if it happened that a particular judge finished, in the course of a term, only two eases, perhaps but one, or sometimes not even one. The question was, whether it (w whom wa was necessary th ey had ha n d e n fu they experience, had three judges, r. nd with of o .expectn e to two of them they bad no reason to despair) to remodel the Court of Chancery, and to place additional burdens on the public? In his opinion, the judges whom they had at present were more than equal to do the whole business of Chancery. He admitted that the Lord Chancellor had to attend to lunatic petitions, and to appeals in the House of Lords. But with respect to lunatic petitions, if they would look even to those whirl found their way into the public papers, they would not amount to more than ten or a dozen in the year. The quanttnn of labour was not so very considerable; and a Chancellor, with th e be nefit of youth, health, and acti v ity, mould be ails to ac complish all that his office required. It was in the con templation of the pr esen t Lord Chancellor, assisted as he was by the experi ence o f t h ose gentlemen who practised in his mode rt by n h th im e self voluminous tothe ii d proceedings . cases of bankr u pt cy m i g h t be abridged.—(Herr, hear.) —Such a pl an wou ld b e atten d e d w i t h t h e b est e ff ects ; rsi uct i on i some n of for at present those proceedings were extended to a length hardly conceivable. Let this experiment, then, be tried, before they proceeded to a new field—before they nttempted to remodel the whole form of the Court of Chancery.— (Hear.)—He was happy to state that such a plan as h e had adverted to was in contemplation; and he felt most confidently that it would eeaceed.—(Hear.)—They mist all know--for it was most cheaply learned by those who were not of the profession, by a perusal of the newspapers, that the Court of Chancery was in the habit of receiving affidavits, answers, replies, rejo;nders, rebutters, and our rebutters, to an almost endless extent. This was a great defect in that Court; and he believed that, from an over anxious feeling on the part of the late Lord Chancellor, which God forbid he should impute as a fault to that indi vidual, it was carried entirely too far. That Learned Lord, from an over anxiety that n o thi ng s h ou ld b e l e f t un d one th a t could give satisfaction even to the losing party, allowed the greatest latitude to this system. He thereby imposed great labour on him se lf ; w hil e t h ose w h o t h oug h t t h at a c ourt of justice should be a court of decision, and not of doubt, were dissatisfied and discontented. Any measure which tended to check this expensive accumulation of docu ments would be a very great improvement in the constitu tion of the Court. His Hor. and I earned Friend had asked, what had become of the Bill which the present Lord Chaocellor had introduced, founded on the report of the Chancery Commissioners? He begged to remind his Hon. and Learned Friend, that the Bill was not brought in during the last, but in the present session, when the Lord Chancellor held the situation of Master of the Rolls. That Learned Lord gave notice of his intention to bring in a Bill, and he introduced it with as elaborete vetch, but not