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prone d with the English bill first, that wh•lt was rule in the one instance, might, if possible, be so in the other. Mr. O'CONNELL—The more the bills are like each other, the better they will be. Colonel EVANS expiessed a hope that the information which it was understood the Government had been col lecting on this subject would be laid upon the table. Colonel IsIABERLEY then brought up the report of the Ordnance Estimates, the different items of which were read and agreed to, till the clerk came to the vote for works, &c., abroad, when Major BEAUCLERK should move that the sums of 10,000/. for works at Kingston, of 8,0001. for works at the Mauritius, and of 10,000/. for works in Nova Scotia, be deducted from the Estimates. Mr. HUTT seconded the amendment. Mr. STANLEY would state that so far back as 1828 - he proposed an amendment which bad for its object the saving of the public money. 30.0001. was then demanded for works on the line of fortification, and it was conceded that no works should be undertaken without the express ,and decided sanction of Parliament. The works of Hali fax and Kingston were accordingly permitted to proceed, and the bon. member for Taunton gave his full approval of the grant. Well, then, Parliament sanctioned the works; it had had the full amount of the outlay laid before it ; it had declared the expense should be met by annual instalments; 50,0001. bad been already expended; the entire cost would not be much more than 80,000/. Was that, then, the period for them to pause? Would such be pursuing the most economical course ? ( (fear, hear, bear.) The works at Halifax wet e necessary for the defence of the harbour and the protection of the shipping, and called for if they re spected the great and rising importance of its commerce. They would be finished in 1837, if no interruption similar to that then proposed was permitted to take place. 300,0001. had been wasted in consequence of the want of the very improvements which hon. members were now desirous to stop. The economy desired he (Mr. Stanley) would say was a bad economy ; it was an economy that had not reason to plead for its justification, and certainly not usefulness for its end. With respect to Kingston, the works there were of the utmost moment for the protection of the Rideau Canal, as the town was accessible to attack from that side. Next to Quebec the station was the most important of our possessions in North America. The possession of the Mauritius gave England an influence and protection for its commerce in that part of the globe, which it was unnecessary for hint at the moment to dilate on. The losses during the war, in consequence of its being without due accommodation for shipping, were im mense; the works then in progress were demanded, if the reports of the most able and scientific officers were to be relied upon ; they were going forward rapidly and most euccessfully. In fine, the house was not called upon to vote away money for the undertaking of new works, but for the completion of these siready commenced under ti,e au:hnrity and express dirt ctions of Parliament.—(Hear.) Mr. SINCLAIR was anxious to learn the likely ex• pense to which the country would be further put to. Mr. STANLEY—With the exception of Halifax, the sums required would not be greater than those, originally sought for, and even in respect to the ,capital of Nova Scotia, they would not be found to have mach increased. Colonel EVANS had no objection to the improvements of the harbour, as they would tend to materially benefit the commerce of the Mr. COBBETT—The money then called for to be voted away was not for the purpose of being spent in for tifying the harbour of Halifax, but for an outlay on the citadel of that town. To be sure, thirty-four years ago that fortress was thought to be as perfect as it could be well made. He had seen it. The Duke of Kent and his two niche-de-camp were at its inspection, and had been incessant in their attendance during the progress of its improve ments. They saw it rise to completion with evident sa tisfaction, but at an enormous charge to the country. I had, indeed, been called the Duke of Kent's Folly.— (L iughter.) Half a million of money had been expended on a little island in the harbour of Halifax. Colonel MABERLEY—No, no. Mr. COBBETT—WeII, a peninsula ; that did net much alter the case ; and 124,0001. was now asked for to lay out on Nova Scotia. Nova Scotia ! What was Nova Semi' ? A bundle of rocks, worth nothing. if the whole province was put up by auction he questioned whe ther it would bring 100,000/. in any, even the most spe culative market.—(Laughter.) What did they want of fortifications? While it was under the direction of the tight hon. baronet opposite they bad nothing to fear.— (Laughter.) Ihe fleet would be a bridle on America an the West Indies, and not the paltry citadels and fortifira tines. Could Halifax be attacked when this triumphant fleet was cruizine in its toads ? No, it could not ; and without such a fleet Halifix would be but of little benefit to th, m. But gent!einen thought otherwise from reading books, who had never been there, and who knew nothing of war except on paper. England had been called a great cottony, and truly so, for great indeed she must have been to have borne the enormous sums thus yearly dragged from her ; but let it ever be remembered, taken from her when numbers of her people were in a state of deep and deplorable misery. Col. MABERLEY said the situation of his Majesty's ministers stood thus:—When they came into office they found such and suet, ks proceeding, and proceeding, too, under the sanction of the house, expressed by a ma- jortty of 75 ; immense sums of money were disbursed; and the question which they so!emnly put to themselve. was to the effect, were these sums to be thrown away? They considered they ought not; they felt what had been commenced ought to be completed. Tie hon. member fur Oldham was of a different opinion, and would have parliament rescind its former resolutions. Halifax had undergone many changes since the period when that hon. . . member visited lie (Colonel 11Iairerley). who had bten also there, rut at a more recent period, was surprised at the remarks he bad just beard. The bon. member was ignorant of its great and fertile sources of wealth. If he knew the value of its land, he would be most desirous to possess an estate there. Toe soil was rich, and the most valuable mines abound e d in the province. The harbour . _ projected from the land, and the citadel was necessary for its protection on the land side. Mr. G. F. YOUNG said, unless it were proved the works were unnecessary, the house would completely stul- ,tify itself by voting contrary to its former r e solutions. 4lr. TENNYSON would detain the house only a few moments in stating the reasons for his present vote. The citadel of Halifax had already cost 84,0001. ; and he • .tgretd , with ti e right h o n. the Colot:ial Secretary, that it ;would be the worst economy to lose that sum, by not fol lowing up the original grant. When he had held the nice which the lion, and gallant member then filled, he bad given Rauch of his a te-ntion to the subject, and was gonvinced—always baying borne in mind that a collision with the United Sautes of America was possible—that if they were anxious to retain their provinces, they should put them in the best possible state of defence. In that view he was lo ,, rne out by the concurrent opinion of the most experienced officers in the service. —(Hear, hear:) Having said this much, he should, before he sat down, put it to the consideration of the right hon. gentleman the Colonial Secretary, whether some plan ought not to be adopted, by which the colonies would be made to maintain themselves. It was full time something should be done. Mr. C. BULLER considered the colonies ought to maintain themselves, and shoul f, therefore, vote for the amendment. Mr. BRISCOE regretted the fortifications had been undertaken, but, having Leen commenced, he would vo.e for tl.eir completion. Slr. AGLIONBY would support the amendment. Why give 245,000/. to COlopltte that which ought never to have been eatilanenced Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that in 1828, during the administration of the Duke of Wellington, 2,000,0001. were demanded to be expended in the fortifications of Canida. Those with whom he then acted oppo&ed voting away so large a sum, and successfully too. A new com mittee was appointed, and it was intimated, that if those who opposed the former proposition would consent to the then works going on, the vote for the 2,000,0001. would pot be pressed. Fifty thousand pounds had been already Maid out on Kingston, and it was then proposed that to r i hu.,t sum 10,0001, should he added for the next three years, winch, it was considered, would be sufficient for the full completion of the works. rihe gallery was then cleared for a division, when the numbers were— A yet Noes Majority for the original vote The report was then agreed to. EXCHEQUER OF RECEIPT BILL. The Escli.iiirr of Receipt Bill pas•ed through a corn mittre,and w.(4,1, e ,1 to he real a third time to-morrow. BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS BILL. Lord JOHN RUSSELL movid that the house resolve itself into a committee on this W:1. -54 Sir SAMUEL WHALLEY i,egged to ask the noble lord whether it was the intention of government that the House Tax Repeal Bill should be read before the Eis er recess?— No answer was giv:n. Af , er a few words froth Mr. C. WYNN and Lord Joiirr RUSSELL, the house went into committee on the Bril), ry at Eectiona Bill. Air , WYNN gogge,ttci that a opec;oo of double tri ,u' al of both houses of Parliament should be formed nutlet the the bill, in order to get over the difficulty and delay of taking the same evidence several times. Mr. HARDY objected to the same committee being ap pointed to sit on the question of the alleged general bribery and corruption of the burgh, and also on that of which of the two gentlemen ought to be the member. The ques tions were perfectly distinct from each other, and ought to be settled by s-parite committee. Lord JOHN RUSSELL was opposed to the suggestion of the hon. member--the appointment of two committees, where one was perfectly competent to decide on the merits cf both questions, Two committees would not only be attended with much inconvenience, but would iucur very considerable additional expense. Mr. O'CONNELL—The best way would be, to leave the reduction of the committee to the Speaker. That, he thought, would be a very convenient arrangement; and he would venture to prophecy, that the house would be perfectly satisfied with the reduction which the right h on . 1 gentleman should mike..=(Hear.) Mr. HA LCOMB was of opinion, that before the house proceeded further in the matter, it ought to have some definition made to it of what the meaning of general bribery and corruption was otherwise every committee would entertain a different opinion on the subject. He thought it would be by far the preferable course, to have a committee to investigate the matter; and that, if such committee should report there existed a prima facie cane, the wl ole circumstances should I e referred to a tribunal of hon. members, with one of the Judges of the land at their head, and that such tribunal should decide on the matter judicially. Mr. HARDY thought that bribery was an offence which should be tried before the same tribunal which tried other offences. This was the best and the shortest course. The hon. member mentioned a case in which a member of the house, a Colonel of the Middlesex militia, being convicted by a courtmartial for defrauding his men of their rations, the house expelled him as an unfit member, solely on the strength of his conviction by the courtmar tial. Bribery he considered as great an offence as felony, and should be tried by the same tribunal. Lord J. RUSSELL said (as we understood), that the only objection to taking the matter into a court of law, would be the unlimited extent of litigation which would be necessary. The clause, if it were insisted upon, how ver. might be postponed. We did not clearly understand whether this was ac cepted, or whether the clause was agreed to ; but we be lieve that the latter was the case. Clauses 4,5, 6,7, 6, were then agreed to without com ment. On clause 9 being read, Mr. PRYME said it would be an invidious task for the Speaker to select the 11 members out of the 33 proposed by the house. The best way would be, to have the number selected by the same course as in special kr:ie.. Mr. WYNN agreed that the task of selection would be, at hest, an invidinue one for the Speaker. Lord J. RUSSELL said that this was a question more of justice and pulley than of individu d interests, and it was most desirable to have persons on the committee in whom the most per'ect confidence would be felt, and whose decisions would be entirely free from suspicion. In his opinion the Speaker would he the best possible judge of the eleven to be selected out of the thirty.three bal loted for. Sir W. W. WYNN thought that the advantage of the thirty-three being selected by the Speaker would be that experienced members would he chosen, and the number might be reduced to eleven, by the parties interested being allowed to strike off, as was done in special jury cases. Lord J. RUSSELL was of opinion that it ought not to be competent to the Speaker to select the names in the first instance. This would be to impose a most disagree. able and arduous duty on him, A great many of the members so selected would perhaps be engaged in other business, and would make very strong interest with the Speaker to avoid being chosen. The consequence would be that the Speaker would get a list of names that would neither satisfy himself, the individuals chosen, the house, nor the parties interested. Colonel EVANS considered that any mode would be pr t era bre to the present one. Mr. TENNYSON contended that to appoint the Sp-aker to select the eleven names would be to impose on him a most painful and invidious duty; and wha , ever the result, a suspicion would be likely to exist that the decision would have been different if the committee had been otherwise chosen. With respec► to the proposal of his right hon. friend (Sir W. W. Wynn), he must say that he thought it liable to less objections than any other. No doubt, however,. there were objections to all the plans. If it were the duty of the Speaker to appoint the 33 members, he did not see that there would be anything invidious in the right hon. gentleman's so doing. It was possible that theme might be atnongst those chosen some connexion of the pestles. interested, but that objection was provided for by the right hon. member for Montgomery shire by the right of challenge. Sir W. W. WYNN said, he wes ready either to submit his suggestion as a notice of a motion for some future evening, or to propose it now. He thought the motion had better be discussed on another occasion. Mr. PRYME was understood to acquiesce in the sug eestion of the right hon. gentleman, but there were general cries of " Divide." Mr. F. PALMER said he was opposed to both the plans proposed. He did not know which was the more objectionable, that which would impose on the Speaker the duty of selecting the eleven, or that in accordance with which he would have to choose the thirty-three. Sir W. W. WYNN said, that if the principle of the amendment were adopted, there would be a complete analogy between that mode and the way in which Special Juries were obtained under the 9th George IV. Mr. O'REILLY said he was favourable to the plan of the noble lord, for a proposal to alter which he had not heard any sufficient reason. Sir R. INGLIS thought the better mode would be, having got the thirteen names, to allow each party to strike off one ; this would be a sufficient protection against a relative of the party interested, or any other objectionable person being placed on the committee. Lord J. RUSSELL opposed further delay, because he despaired of being able to improve the meastee. He had devoted ten years' attention to this subj , tee and the result was he could offer no better remedy for the inconsistencies arising nut of the present s2.stem. The house then divided, when their appeared— For the original clause 43 For the amendment :34 Majority _ On the motion that the clause stand pin of the bill. Mr. A GLIONBY announced himself decidedly opposed to the appointment of nominees, whose situation, he said, made them advocates in the committee, and judges in the house. Lord JOHN RUSSELL contended for the advantage and convenience of having two members of the House of Commons present at the investigation by the committee, but who did not vote. Mr. WYNN otiected to nominees. Mr. S. RICE was favourable to the clause. He ad. mitted there was an anomaly in the nominee system, and if it could be avoided, would prefer the absence of any thing which had the appearance of partizanship. But the duty of a nominee did not necessarily involve prrtiz in ship. His business in the committee was to take care that no evidence should be mistaken, and no party misre presented, and the consequence of nomination was, that the reports were better, and contained fewer blunders. Mr. WYNN instanced a case in which Mr. Fox and the then Attorney-General being nominees, together with the Chairman of the committee, were one way, and the 12 independent members of the committee were the other way. This appeared as if the nominees could be diadensed Kith. Besides, it was easy to conceive a case in which the house may nominate two members who did not choose to act. Sir T. FREMANTLE thought the nominees ad van, tageous, more especially in the event of the parties not hav ing the aid of counsel. Mr. MARK PHILLIPS wished to have the system of nominees extinguished, and, indeed, would be well pleased if committees were entirely done away with, and some Judicial tribunal established in tin ir stead. In the case of the Liverpool inquiry, which had been so exciting, he 'opposed there was so much personal feeling towards the nominees, that if they were caught in Liverpool one would be tailed and feathered, and the other complimented with a piece of plate.—(A laugh.) Nit. R. WASON thought there weuld be a saving of half the time and half the expense, if nominees were done away with, so many questions and cross-questions arose out of their appointment. The committees sitting with closed doors created a want of confidence in the public, which want would be in some degree obviated if they di vided in public. Mr. AGLIONBY moved, as sn amendment to the clause, that from the 10th, to the 14th line be omitted. Mr. HARVEY observed that it was unusua , , after the Nits had been closed, to renew a battle on any clause. Mr. ROMILLY was understood to object to nominees. After a few words from Mr. C. BULLER, the commit e divided, when there appeared— For the Amendment _l9 For the original Clause 35 Majority -16 Clauses 11 40 12 were then agreed to; whey, on the eoggestion of Mr. HALCOME, Lord JOHN RUSSELL agreed to postpone the committee on the remaining clauses till Wednesday ntxt. The house then resumed, the 'CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again nn Wednesday. DISFRANCHISMENT BILLS. The Stafford Borough Disfranchisement Bill was read a third lime and passed. The Hertford Borough Bill was re-committed, and the report ordered to be further considered on Wednesday neat. HOUSE TAX. The second reading of the House Tax Bill was post poned till the 14th April. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, an, the house adjourned at a quarter before one. LIST OF THE MINORITY Of Twenty (Teller included) whd voted against the Clause directing the appointment of Nominees. Attwood, T. Ewart, W. Sinclair, G. Blackstone, W. S. Galway, J. M. Torrens, Colonel Briggs, R. Halcombe, J. Walter, J. Brothertoll, J. Hardy, J. Wason, R. Bruce, Lord E. Hayes, Sir E. Wynn, C. W. Chetwynd, W. Philips, M. TELLER. Evans, W. Romilly, J. Aglionby, H. A. LIST OF THE MA.I Baines, E. MLeod, R. Bush, T. Martin, J. Brocklehurst, J. Murray, J. A. Browne, D. O'Reilly, W Buller, C. Palmer, C. F. Burrell, Sir C. M. Peter, . Elliott. Captain G. Plumptre, J. P. Fremantle, Sir T. Pryme, G. Gordon, R. Rolfe, J. M. Hawes, B. Ross, C. Inglis, Sir R. H. Russell, Lord J. Jeffrey, Rt. Hon. F. Smith, R. Vernon ORITI 7 Stanley, H. T. Strickland, G. fancred, H. W, Tennent, J. E. Tennyson, C. Tower, C. J. Tracy, H, Verney, Sir H. Walker, C. A. TELLER, Rice, T. S. LIST OF THE MINORITY Of Twenty-four (Tellers included) who voted in favour of Major Beauclerk's motion, to strike out of the Ordnance Estimates 28,0001., being this year's instalment of 245,5051. still remaining to be paid for completing the works of Nova Scotia, Halifax Citadel, Kingston Fortification, and Mauri tius Citadel. ENGLAND. Aglionby, H. A. Attwood, T. Cobbett, W. Evans, Colonel Ewart, W. Faithfull, G. Fielden, J. Humphery, J. Hutt, W. Rooe, W. Ruthven, E. S. Vigors, N. A. Walker, C. A. Kennedy, J. Morrison, J. Pease, J. Phillips, M. Potter, R. TELLRES. Scholefield, J. Beauclerk, C. , Major Trelawney, W. L. S. Buller Wason, R. IRELAND, O'Connell, D. LOCKED OUT. Brotherton, J. FRENCH PAPERS OF SATURDAY. CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES, MARCH 21 The President communicated to the Chamber a message from the Chamber of Peers, stating that they had passed the law relative to the suppression of majorats. The adjourned debate on the law relative to poli tical associations was resumed. MM. Dubois (Loire Inferieure) and Roger pro posed amendments to Art. 1, having for object to except from the operation of the law religious as sociations. In developing their amendments, the hon. deputies insisted upon the necessity of calling religious sentiments to the aid of morality, in order to awaken the poorer classes of the people from the kind of lethargic indifference in which they are plunged. The Keeper of the Seals said he must oppose the adoption of these amendments, which were al together unnecessary, if their object was to guaran tee the liberty of worship, for this liberty could in no point of view be affected by the present project of law, whereas the adoption of these amendments would offer a dangerous facility of forming associa tions which, under pretence of encouraging religion, might pursue political objects. M. Dubois (Loire Inferieure), in reply to the Keeper of the Seals, supported his opinion by a quotation from a requisitoire pronounced by M. Dupin as Procureur-General, at the Court of Cas eation, and in which M. Dupin maintained, in the most positive manner, the right of association for the purposes of religious worship. M. Dupin quitted the President's chair, where he was replaced by M. Etienne, and ascended the tribune. M. Dupin—Gentlemen, I rise to speak in con sequence of some observations which have been made by an hon. deputy relative to my opinion. I have never varied in my opinion upon the subject now in question. I have frequently contended that in a properly constituted state, and under a regular government, revolutionary and subversive societies ought to be subjected to the vigilance of authority and the rigour of the laws. I have always main tained that the right of association was not an indi vidual right, like that of the liberty of the press and of petitioning. The hon. deputy, in continuation, said, that as for the most holy and simple of unions, marriage, the sanction of the law was necessary, with much greater reason ought it to be necessary for more extended unions and associations of indi viduals. In my writings, added the hon. President, and in my pleadings, I have always sincerely ex pressed my opinion upon that subject, and conse quently I cannot be accused of apostacy. I have, therefore, never belonged to any association not authorised by the law. The general rule I have laid down ; as to the exceptions, my advice to you, gentlemen, would be to be particularly on your guard against associations formed for religious pur poses. It is in these societies that are to be found secret machinations and ardent passions concealed un der the cloak of religion. After a brief historical sketch of the political intrigues carried on in France under the disguise of religious communities, the hon. pre sident added, religion serves as a shelter, a kind of fortress, to four classes of men who form an impos ing majority in the country—the ignorant, the im becile—(Laughter)—the fanatic, and the ambitious. I beseech you, if you do n o t w ish to be again the dupes of these people, who are s kilful in wearing all kinds of masks, and who affect at the present mo ment to be feeble and almost extinct, in order that no attention may be directed to them—l beseech you not to open a door to them, which, narrow as it may be, will still b e f oun d sufficient to give en trance to all the enemies of government. After some further objections chiefly directed against the Jesuits, and describing their means of influencing the head of the absolute government, he added, but when they have to do with a constitutional govern ment, which is not influen ce d by a con f e ssor, their tactics are different. They no longer flatter those in power, but, instead, calumniate them ; they preach the overthrow of the government, and, instead of calling for increased power to be given to the head of the state, they demand the most absolute liberty for individuals. Under a purely monarchical go vernment, you have congregations--under a free government, like the p resen t one , y ou h ave associa tions of the most ultra liberal and absolutely radical nature.—(Applause from the centre.) Such, gentle men, are the considerations that I have b ee n pro voked to submit to you, in consequence of the allu sion to the sentiments I had expressed on a former occasion. M. Odillon Barrot made a few observations in favour of the amendment of M. Dubois, and con" tended that not to adopt the amendment would be to leave the liberty of worship at the mercy of the authorities. The amendment of Messrs. Dubois and R o ger were put to the vote and rejected. M. de la Rochefoucault-Liancourt developed, amidst a still-increasing noise, an amendment, the object of which was to except from the operation of the law charitable and benevolent associations. The :amendment being put to the vote was re jected._ _ - M. Glais-Bizoin moved an amendment to exc ept literary and scientific associations from the operation of the law. The hon. deputy thus began—The project of law before you has been framed under the inspiration of a nightmare.—(Loud and long-con tinued laughter.) The hon. deputy, in continuation, said—The policy of the present ministry is a new one, it is that which may be called k laid ideal.— (Renewed laughter.) The hon. deputy (amidst fre quent interruption from the centre) continued to criticise the acts of the Ministry, and said that he could not help being astohished that the chief of the Cabinet should have permitted such a law to be brought forward. I do not mean (added the hon. deputy) the phantom of a chief of the present Ca binet, but its real chief.—(Laughter and murmurs.) The President—What do you mean by that ex pressio Cmatittitionally speaking, there is Do other chief of the Cabinet but the President of the Council. M. Glais-Bizoin—l am astonished that such a law is brought forward at a time when it is known that children are punished for the faults of their fathers.—(Murmurs from the centre.) Never have I witnessed an instance of greater baseness.—(Vio lent exclamations.) From the commencement of this debate, the benches of the Ministry have ap peared to me transformed into a pillory.—(New ex clamations.) The Minister of Commerce—The expression is an insolent one.—(From the centre, " Order.") The President—l know not to what the Tribune will be compared if such expressions are uttered from it. M. Glais-Bizoin attempted to continue, but was called to order twice by the President, particularly for having applied the epithet incurable to the Ministry. The President—You rose to speak upon an amendment of a literary nature, but you have said many things not precisely of a literary character. — (Laughter.) I warned you that you were out of order, but in vain. In conformity to the rules that govern the discussions of this assembly, I shall con sult the Chamber whether or not you should be al lowed to continue. (Here arose a tumult and confusion impossible to describe.) An immense majority of the Chamber decided that M. Glais-Bizoin should not be allowed again to address the Chamber during the present sitting. M. Glais-Bizoin returned to his place. M. Arago spoke in favour of the amendment of M. Glais-Bizoin in as far as it regarded scientific associations. In the course of his observations he reproached the Minister of Public Instruction with the indifference he had manifested with regard to the instruction of the people. The hon. deputy specified particularly the obstacles that in Paris had been thrown in the way of the association for the free instruction of the people. The hon. deputy here drew a comparison between the extensive and munificent encouragement given to scientific societies in England, particularly those destined to enlighten the people, and the indifference, not to say discou ragement, displayed by the French Government with respect to similar institutions. In continuation of this statement, he added, that some time back, wishing to give a course of scientific lectures to the working classes, he applied to M. Guizot, through the intervention of General Lafayette, for permis sion to give this course in the amphitheatre of the school of medicine, and that the answer of M. Guizot was in the following terms :—" We do not wish that men, entertaining the political opinions that M. Arago does, should obtain any influence over the working classes." The Minister of Public Instruction, in reply, said that if the association alluded to by the hon. M. Arago, had met with obstacles, it was not until after it had broken a formal and written promise not to meddle with politics. Instead of keeping this en gagement, added the minister, the association mani- fested political opinions of a dangerous tendency, and even became affiliated with the Societe des Droits de 1' Homnte. The minister added, with re gard to the answer which M. Arago states I had given to his application, it is impossible I could have made use of such language ; it would have been at one and the same time rude and out of place. The minister, in concluding, said, I certainly have a high opinion of the profund scientific acquirements of M. Arago, but I shall take the liberty of reminding him that, on more occasions than one, men of science, worthy of admiration, have, during the first revolu- tion, lent the sanction of their names to the authors of the greatest excesses, and allowed themselves, through weakness, to take a share in acts which, in my opinion, were disgraceful. M. Arago replied that he would never suffer him self to be influenced by the opinions of others. The opinions that I now, added the hon. deputy, enter tain, and shall always entertain, are my own, and I shall be ready to support them under every circum stance. With regard to the men of science who took part in the first revolution, added the hon. deputy, who, amongst them, I ask, dishonoured him self ? Was it Bailly ? Was it Carnot ? Was it Meunier ? As far as I can see, said he in conclud ing, I know not of one amongst them who did not act a noble and honourable part. M. De Tracy spoke in favour of the amendment. The amendment of M. Glaiz Bizoin was put to the vote and rejected. M. Teulon proposed to except from the operation of the law the meetings of students.—(Bursts of laughter from the centre.) The amendment was rejected. The amendment of M. de la Rochefoucault Liancourt, relative to charitable associations, was rejected. At half-past six the debate was adjourned. (From Gal4nanes Messenger of Saturday.) The Courrier Francais says—" On Thursday night the Government received the answer of the Ottoman Porte to the last notes delivered to it in the names of the Cabinets of London and Paris, by a courier who came by Vienna, and immediately afterwards hastened on to London. It is said that this answer is very nearly in conformity with what Lord Palmerston said in the House of Commons. The Porte, without receding from any of the articles in the treaty of July the Bth, expresses, in terms of the greatest moderation and sincerity, its desire to do every thing in its power to preserve the relations of peace and amity which have so long existed be tween it and its two ancient allies. Since Russia has made a halt in its march of ambition, and given to both France and Great Britain assurances of her pacific intentions, it was quite natural that Turkey should not show any spirit of hostility in her nego tiations with the two powers ; but, after all, the main question has not advanced a single step." M. Cabet has withdrawn his appeal to the Court of Cassation against the sentence recently pro nounced upon him, and, it is said, has set out for Belgium. The Sentinelle des Py . rbthes of Bayonne, of the 18th inst., has the following :—" It is said that every ecclesiastic in Spain, whatever may be his dignity, who may hesitate to acknowledge the legi timacy of the actual government, will be exiled from the kingdom, and his property will be' seized. Every ecclesiastical chapter that may have an absent mem ber implicated in the revolutionary factions will be dissolved. Any community or convent that may entertain relations with one of the factions will be instantly closed, without prejudice to the punish ment inflicted on the guilty party."—The following from St. Jean Pied de Port is dated the 13th inst. : The day before yesterday a strong column of troops, commanded by Brigadier Oraa, came to the iron-works of Orhaicetta, to carry off a quantity of arms and ammunition deposited there, and yester day morning it took the direction of Ochagaira. l h a e c a v r r al e g e u o y f , E pursued and must have arrived at that of Bastan or Ul f, haste, and z ama. _ second O n t 11 e column, same d c a r y o s Z s :d m at ..... Augsburg Gazette of the 18th inst. has the following, of the 6th, from Belgrade :—" The great boyar and general of the Wallachian militia, Alex ander Chi o k s a, oda is mentioned in Wallachia. entionedasa candidate Moldavia didat he ef the office of hp great boyars Mihalaky, Stourdza, and Alexander Chika, a relation of the Wallachian boyar, are spoken of. The Russian troops are daily expecting orders , to vacate the principalities." Our funds to-day are, Metalliques, Five per Cents, 97 5-8; Ditto, Four per Cents, 88 ; Bank Actions, 1,248 1. The Patriote de Saone Loire, of Chalons-sur- Saone, gives an account of a general meeting of the sections of the Societe des Droits de t Honinze, on the 16th inst., in a meadow called St. Come. At twelve o'clock the assembly came together from all directions, singing the Marsellaise and the Chant du Depart, and amounted to upwards of 1,200, but would have been much more numerous had the no tice been longer, the summons being issued by the central committee at Chalons only on the preceding Friday evening. The character and proceedings of the meeting were similar t? those 9f the assembly held on the 9th instant at Arbois, of which we gave an account in the Messager, from the Patriote Franc-Comtois. The following were the resolutions come to :—Art. 1.. The Societe des Broils de l'Homm e of the Saone and Loire protests against every law which may fetter the free exercise of the rights of association. 2. This society will maintain its present organization, and will continue to meet as heretofore. 3. It will consider itself a party in every prosecution which may be directed against any citizen on. account of association, and will resist it by every means it may have at its disposal." FRENCH FUNDS.—Psais, IVlsneu 22. Five per Cents., 104 f. 65c. 50c. 60c. Four and a Half per Cents., 99f. 90c. Four per Cents., 91f. Three per Cents., 78f. 35c. 40c. 35 c Bank Actions, 1,850 f. 1,795 f. 75c Rente de Naples, 94f. 70c. fiOc. • Roman Five per Cents., 95;i ; 95. Bente d'Espagne, Five per Cents., 27 27 1 4 27. • Rente d'Espagne, Three per Cents., 40 91.9014. Royal Spanish Loan, 232 814. y a, Rente Perpet. d' Espagne, rive per Cents., 65% !4%. Belgian Loan, MI, Five per Cent., 100%. Haytian Loan, 2721: 50c. EXCDANDE ON LONDON. One month, paper, 25f. 2754 c.; money, 25f. 25c. Three months, paper, 25f. ; money, 23f. 1:".c. —fours Authentique. DUTCH PAPERS. THE HAGUE, MARCH 20.—The official journal publishes another list of persons on whom the King, by a resolution of 11th of March, has conferred different orders of knighthood, in consequence of certificates lately received of their having distin guished themselves during the siege of Antwerp. Their Royal Highnesses Prince and Princess Frederick of the Netherlands are expected here from Berlin, on Saturday or Sunday next. The Governor of the Provinces having been lately called' by his Excellency the Minister for Foreign Affairs, in the name of his Majesty the King, both for the sake of those who wish not to serve in per son either in the militia or the schuttery, as well as for the character of the army itself, to take care not to admit any foreigners as substitutes, except such as prove that they are inhabitants of the king dom ; that as such they have (if they have not passed the requisite age) complied with the law re specting the militia or the schuttery, who, by a per manent residence in the country, have given a pledge of their conduct, and are not liable to military ser vices in their own country. AMSTERDAM, MARCH 20.—We learn from Bois le Duc, that the waters of the inundations con tinue to fall ; and though the 15th of March is past it does not seem that any orders have yet been given on the subject. We learn that his Majesty's visit to Amsterdam is fixed for the 7th of April. His Majesty will be ac companied by the Prince and Princess of Orange and their eldest son. MIDDLEBURG, MARCH 19.—The ships of war which have been in dock at Flushing, leave it to return to their positions in the Scheldt. The day before yesterday thirteen gun-boats were in the road of Flushing. _ _ The field labourers and other persons who are Belgians, but have settled since 1830 in the fourth district of Zealand, have received orders to quit our territory. AMSTERDAM, MARCH 19.—His Majesty has granted permission to M. 0. B. Donnet, ship owner and merchant at Antwerp, to remove his house under the firm of J. B. Donnet and Co., to Rotterdam, and Dutch ships' papers are to be given to the ships Orphelius, Macassar, and Van de Werve belonging to that firm. Lieutenant-Colonel Bake is honourably dis charged from the office of Governor of forts Lillo and Liefkenshoek, at his own request, made on the ground of the•present state of suspension of arms. DUTCH FUNDS—AMSTERDAM, MARCH 21. Actual Debt, 2% per Cent.... 49% to 50 Amon Syndic, 4y4 per cent. BB% to 89% Ditto, di tto, 3% per cent. ... 71% to 71% Voluntary Loan, 1831, 6 per cent 1005( to 100% Loan of 14 Million, 1830, 5 per cent lOll to 100% Ditto, 1831-1832, 5 per Cent. - 94% to 94% Exchange on London Two Months l2 025-10 -Dutch Papers, March 22. BRUSSELS AND GERMAN PAPERS. BRUSSELS, MARCH 22.—His Majesty the King has sent 1,000 francs to Paganini. We are assured that he has promised to return to Brussels in less than a year. The bulletin of the health of the Prince-Royal, dated yesterday evening, nine o'clock, says that in the morning it had not been so favourable. This evening the Prince is better, and is more composed. The cough continues to abate. The bulletin of this morning says the Prince- Royal has passed a restless night ; he is now in a calm sleep. In general his situation is satisfactory. MAESTRICT, MARCH 15.—0 n the 12th about 250 men of the 3d battalion of the 13th division of infantry and 50 hussars, made another eruption into the Belgian territory. These troops went out by the Bois-le-Duc gate, and on arriving at the first bridge over the canal, divided into two columns, one of which proceeded along the dike of the canal to Smeenuaas, whence they took the road to Pictersheim, while the other, going along the fortifications, came to the road of Mazayk, and then to the . Valley of . Caberg, through which . ~.• it passed. It then marched towards Lanaken, which it left on the right, and joined the other co lumn at Pictersheim. To day other troops sallied out of the German gate. IThe general discussion of the project of law on the iron rail road, in the Chamber of Representa tives, was concluded yesterday. TherEclaiseur, of Namur, says :—" We are com ing to the last act of the comedy of Luxemburg ; the return of the two squadrons of chasseurs now there is commenced, they having received orders to return to their former cantonments, and will arrive at Namur on the 25th. It were to be wished that the other squadrons of cavalry as well as the battery of light infantry might also receive orders to retire to their garrisons, for the Grand Duchy, which is a woody and mountainous country, has such bad- roads that cavalry and artillery cannot act, except on the principal high road.—Brussels Papers, March 23. BERLIN, MARCH 14.—The German soi-disant patriotic society at Paris continues to send its revo lutionary addresses into the neighbouring German States, addressed in unfranked letters to persons whom it chooses at its pleasure. Several of these proclamations have come to the Prussian-Rhenish provinces ; but those who receive them immediately, and without being called on, deliver them to the police. The police, therefore, is constantly informed of the intrigue of that society, which is as unfortunate in the choice of its means as in the pursuit of its sid to be a private provinces.e lader It a t mischievous projects. The same fate ha s a tt en d e d the innumerable unfranked letter s w hi c h a nat i ve of Cologne , who Prussian-Rhenish is a Paris, has for some . time p as t b een i n the habit of sending mto e, he must be owned that the Paris society and its faithful ally do not show much wisdom in their proceedings, since they render such essen tial services to the police. The members of the political propaganda in Belgium act with much more consistency ; for we have just learned that they have resolved to abandon the Prussian- Rhenish provinces to their fate, and to direct their whole influence to France. CASSO, MARCH 16.—Reports were in circu lation this week of a sudden dissolution of the Diet, which has hardly been assembled a month. In fact, the commission in the Diet has plainly intimated that such would be the case if the Assembly per sisted in a resolution which it had come to. This resolution related to the right of the Count of Isenberg Budingen to be admitted in the per son of his deputy to a seat in the Chamber of Nobles. The government insisted on his ad mission, whereas the assembly objected, on the ground that he had not a sufficient estate in the Electorate to qualify him. Various important and delicate causes were involved in this matter, but as it appeared that the qualification of the Count of Isenberg had been already recognised, and that a question was involved, in which the Diet of the Confederation only has to decide, and as the Counts of Isenberg (14elaro their intention of appealing to HIGH wATIVi AT LosnON BRIDGE TO-11408,5.01,, liornirg... 6 minutes a fter 3.1 En . enine..:24 r TITCHFI ELD— A NTS. TO BE SOLD BY PRIVATE CONTRACT, W TII IMMEDIATE POSSESSION, ..e ACOM PACTBRICK-BUILTFA MIL 1, HOUSE, with Detached Out Offices, and a Large Garden, situate at Titchfield, for many.yetirs the residence of the Lite Captain Ryder, R.N. 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The arguments (or rather of M r ' arguments they cannot be called) GOULBURN against the prayer of the Col d ' bridge petition, are of the true Tory swirl' ; an d considering. the assistance which he has receive regarded as the most convincing from some of the seventeen heads, and the be regarded professors, who had not signed it, 111 1. objectiong, 'l"' the badnessof I % ,ohen debaters Lie cause. have such a cause to defend they either give is up in despair, or attempt to cheer their spirits by PAinting in strong colours imaginary danger 9 by using high-sounding words, and calling,ntA for 1 • .ssistance from all who can avert the mini. pending calamity." "By the adoption. of O l e " the who e prayer of the petition," said he, proof 0 course of studies in the University will be ` lO- christianised." And is it necessary for yo""0 christianised? O r d oes an y rational being men to go to church every day in order to wool believ a e for one mo men t th a t th e monoton ous 3° 1 ., formal rep e titi on o f cer t a i n prescribedThrle 1)g and ceremonies will have a n y effect in in the mind either with reverence for h'°:- c hr i s tiain! i : a belief of the purity or inspiring of the fail' and doctrines of the established c hurch? . he morning and evening service in our might with . equal propriety be said th at. t , i s a bsolnte l i one of the useless relicts of Popery—. . By si ' necessary for preserving Christianity. t be parity of reasoning, the Scotch nation true the most unchristian people in Christenefoto• but with the excey; They have five universities, don of the divinity class, and one or two ju ill classes, not a prayer, or a confession of faith, 0 o ne end o . f t h e 1 a sermon is heard in them from session to the other. The study of divinity, i n fact, is confined to those intended for the chore; and all the rest may be as ignorant of the Chri d as a vow% tian religion as the Grand Turk, and infidels as HUM or VOLTAIRE ; yet, whe re 1 there a country where the people are in °re , e r t.' - cached to the Established Church,where tue-e or 'Toll re1)171-ilt; is a more sti . ict observance of religious u' r • 1 B• y adopting the prayer • •. " sa't of the petition, iil the right hon. gentleman, too, " you : went the first, but it varies only in catheidrtaiels .? proclaim_ the University to be an establisbni-ng for the general education of the country, w ith° l , reference to religion." This may be called arg! 0 other or from all the arguments in fact -nig ~. against the measure, and we may dismiss MI, ; les 13 ' with one observation, that if the prine•P i t , religion are not instilled into the minds of yo: or in the bosom of their families, and in thei r oh , tier years, it will be useless to attempt it hy .- re , distinctions and vain repetition of religious e e . n o rel l ' monies at our universities. But pot 4--0 , ;„. , re fusolb gion out of the question, the regson fu r ' The distinction acquired by caus e ' studies is declared to be words from t e tl i - , degrees is really worthy of th e . e% in of flir i g I A. benefit to the student than the il P ii r t: fil h ies e ic e l: L it i oe le rr cannot complain. c attached oinpiuim t o I h t is is, nz,: eo ; t-- 1, 1- a waste of time to argue the question, improvement, and which was those who stand up for the sYstera' accor debar' to which the veto of one member can the University by a Monarch who was no leS 5 ) for that tinguidied for his innate cowardice, his pedantry, bad taste, and hatred of libertY* imposed c) air At the early sitting of the House no of to ons, yesterday, L or d A uritoßPs tice.oo move resolutio n s rega rding the eorningUillttt tithes," was postponed till to-coortoo! the Diet at Frankfort, if the Count of Isenberg Budingen's right t o vote in the Assembly' of the . States of Hesse-Cassel was refused, the A.ssembl) has yielded the point.—FrankfortPapel'2u. P It ,rd 0(1( S THI B .nt? Stceic s ,•A °NH. wanes. New 5 ner Cent. ............ s hut India Stock .................. 0 Ditto Bonds ...... ..• 1 1 0 ) ;$i South Sea Stock ............ Old Annuities... ........ New Ditto ...... 3 per Cent. Ann. 1 , ,.," 5 17'5.2 Ex. Bills, , 14 '52 ;An. Ditt0....... 501... 5 ‘ ) pin Ditto Small ........ 53 I_, 0 . Ditto Commercial ...... Ditto Advertised ....... .• Bank India for Account ......... Cons. for Accoun t ', per 'era. Red. 3 per Ce it.C0n , ....91% % 16 4 % 34 per Cent.... Oitto Red ... shut New 3% ter Cent. 98% I.i 34 3 per Cent. 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Ditto B . onds .82 Ditto * • '5 l 8 4 Mexican count 'll % Exchange ...... ti Bonds 52,4 2 ss Sp i alis t h o per cent....... 2* 75 3 D Di it t t to o IBABBlicoinds, :8113 .... Ditto • per cent.3ls§ Exchange .• c 54 jmo Account .... •Dutch,2lp. c. ........... . 50 / a , Neapolitan unt ent3Bl4 Ditto Account... ............ Sg act. PRICES OF SHARES THIS DAT AT ONE o'CL- r -1, Share. Paid. ' - 111 Alten Mining Cpny X9 Anglo mes.. min..-0.. uss. at N. pm ) XlOO 13 0 Rolanos Mining Comp an y £l5O 15 Brazilian Mining Company £s 604 Brazilian Imp. Mi n . C o. (iss. at 51. pm .) £ 2O 10 Ditto Macaubas Cocaes 2O 6 , Ditto St. John Del Rey 9S , Columbian Mining Co. gis , sts/.pm.) 52% , 25 English Mining Company ... leneral Mining Association l2 Hibernian Mining Co. £lo S I 9 Mexican Mining Co. £4B SS deal del Monte Mining Co....(unreg.) 84 ntted Mex. Min. Co. (iss. at 21. um.) 40 10 Ditto New So ip 5 15 Alliance Fire Insurance Comp lO I 7 (3 Protector I non trance Comp. ____.....------