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not decidly en' it would have on , could have ation, who was ment, and who of Comptroller h of what had to the exPen" hie') it bad not serve, that that ong tame past, np a greater had also been !stintate a s the : h e purposes of d the ( of N o rth, and ) 83y that, it2sos )ntinue, t ? d be soffio c ?,. is poso(ssioit e point, hi t that women, ;night bends ht House t gale the ne% wh o add, that haa kdrniraltY , the Admiralt,' o io'S• • itit i" f pt it "- _ dv _ o gril '"tuld h il ' P rtiled th at t h e House should sit to-morrow fur the tse of receiving them.' Not o.") b ad ALTHORP adverted —(` to the n labours the Speaker alr e.oy undergone, and contended that this addition to would be most unreastniable.--(Hear, lieu%) t 4 , 1 .1 4. HUME added that be had felt it his duty to make p r oposition. mla y was order e d th a t th e H ouse s h ou ld a dj ourn un til oti • OUTFIT FOR THE QUEEN. H ° ll the motion (mae y Lord ATORP) that the ° u se resolve itself into d a b Committee L on H the Civil List, 84 T. FREEMANTLE said that be wished to call the tendo n of the House to a subject immediately connected , • th.th the Civil List. It had been the original intention of ;late Alinisters to propose the grant of fifty thousand L ut ills to her present Majesty for her outfit ; but it 4 3 tn it in a communication on the subject with the t , n ug, his 'Majesty had expressed his gracious determine e• Ile (Sir !Irt, '" 4 out to accept that or any other sum or such hatp a ur- T. F.) could not think it f right t the ease should acquiesce in any such arrangement ; analthe 4 'htry was not come to such a pass that it was not able t, ta ke her Majesty the same allowance that had b 'en ;, at other to other Queens. Since the date when it was said ) 4t his Majesty had refused a sum for the outfit of the i4'i e n , it had been stated, on competent authority, that j,t'revenue had increased, so that there could be no ob 10°o to the grant on the ground of financial difficulty. W as, however, of opinion, tha . t if Ministers were ti; l g e d to borrow the money, they ought to press the l' i l ,J e e rl et upon his Majesty. The sum of 50,000/ had been tt t ° Queen Charlotte—one hundred thousand pounds q e late Queen, and a very large sum to the Princess a,eQd ' L IM and it was not fit that must,laj should be in a situation where she incur debts. In t „, , ,"e months th e H ouse m i g ht b e called up on t o ma k e the deficie nc i es it b a d it se lf occasioned by ill-j u d ge d i t , r wr n'po)'. He threw out these remarks for the ennui t ation of the House, and, if he were supported, he was 1 (1 Y to take its sense upon the question. He begged to p c , 4 t he Chan ce ll or o f th e E xc h equer w h e th er b e w as dis rtgu,orider the alter e d c i rcu m s t a nc e s, to alter his vi e w s r ding the vot e f or th e out fit o f th e Q ueen ? l,i i ° 4l ALTIIORP observed, that the sum proposed to I,f d aiesty ha I been 50,0001., but even 25,0001. had d i a refused, with that consideration and generosity which p 3 i° guish e d t h e present King, and endeared him to all ait!Thjects.—(Hear.)—Her Majesty wished that no pro (1.0t410 of the kind should be made to the House, and . he to k , r , 4 s) did not, therefore, feel himself justified in deviat "a'rorn the course he had already adopted.—(Cheers.) 14' Meateen. (whose name we could not learn) ex '.4ett his opinion that it ill became the representatives tUadg r eat nation not to make a grant which lie was per- I Was necessary almost for the personal comfort of t, lti 4 ajsty. It was impossible to go too far in suppli the;ig his Maje s ty to accept the grant. HUNT thought that the King had done himself hasghost h onour i n th e course he had taken, and he hb r 'ure that h e h a d ra i se d hi mse lf i n th e opinion and es ta.,4\hed himself in the affections of his people.—(Hear, could not conceive why this question was ntt ti t j w ed, unl ess the Hon. Members who revived it we re 11 4 , 1. . °14 of withd raw i ng f rom th e Ki ng an d Q ueen some li ta , ll of the just popularity they had acquired.—(H ea r, k 'J " - -If the aristocracy was disposed to give the Queen II U 4 ,Ne sum, he should of course not object—(Loud th,,g I' u , te r)--but he never would consent that th e mon e y "d be taken f ro m th e p oc k e ts of the people. wh.l:lr• LITTLETON was sure that this question, on a lt i t e h there was a strong f ee li ng , wou ld no t b e ma d e a t e 1 3 : matter. The country felt the deepest gratitude r a i ne d Majesty for the admirable character she had main , 6qlt and he agreed th a t it did nut become the repre tnlt'lves of a grea t, an d h e wou ld say an opu l en t coun .,) t , ') refus e 25,0001 . ; part i cu l ar l y as lie thought that 111 a jests must h ave a l rea dy i ncurre d d e b ts t o that ° aOt. HUME could not refrain from expressing his utter tf t P t ise at the introduction of this subject.—(Hear. rt r oust say th a t h e th oug h t i t l oo k e d very lik e biddi ng k if lithe Royal f avour — ( C h eers, an d cr i es of " N o ") as lid e Hon. M em b ers h a d b een set on .—(N o , no .)—H e it, 5 ; 4 assert that it was so, but that that it looked like a nd t( no.)—S ure ly lie might be i allowed to think, tiny state what he thought.—(Hear, hear.)—The ques . - k tot „ , "eroed brought forward only to embarrass the King s 6tere, (No, no, and cheers.)—lf not, why was it • I.;introduced when the Chancellor of the Exchequer 04ght forward the Civil List without any such item. Ite e t w h a ,_'"_TY that the Hon. aMember for Staffordshire bad „. tui_Tt to such an attempt.—(Hear.) }, e. ;r• 0 C ONNELL fully concurred with the Hon. Mem ter r Middlesex, and most decidedly objected to the grant one shilling' 4 %l More of the public money than even the I‘ ..admini stration thought necessary. C URTEIS express e d his utter astoni s hm en t a t th e i ti ltosition of f o r c i ng pu b l i c money upon the i r Ma j esties ; name of his constituents and of the country at f t - he pr o t este d aga i nst such an outrageous proposition. beer.,)—He had, at the same moment, in his hand 4 1 I l tion from b e t ween 4 00 an d 500 persons, complain ti,',ltut the bitterest distress. Surely the present was a 't t ! v iten Ministers ought to be backed whenever they Inclined to make reductions, and he would do his ttii - "‘t Out only t o b ac k t h em b ut to urge t h em . Th e t‘,44a,try was indebt e d t o hi s M a j es t y f or ma ki ng the sa illliaj'thatid he was confident that Ministers knew too well I tio e 'Y owed to the country to listen to such a propo- Th, s- „( Hear, hear.) lit td .' r taxert then left the Chair, and the House re- Itself i nto a ZaerCommittee on the ~ ra ALTHORP— ClBefore h VIL LIST. e 4 e entered on the subject of " 1 : : ', 1 14 ti() , 1 with which lie should conclude, he could not earrq.rerting briefly to the discussion which bad just oc ' Its M a j esty , i n re f us i ng a sum f or t h e out fi t o f teat : e ri, had d one an act worthy of himself, anti consis trotain" all th e rest o f hi s conduct : it was an act which Rr atitn t e j n+fe ar him to his people, and secure their lasting y+allh • r ) To the Kin only, he begged t 7, rd m e e d r r il of this transaction was due.—(Cheers. (Cheers.) i i, t th e 4 lthorp) wished to state plainly and distinctly,. 4 hiaid People owed the sacrifice to the generosity and erat en , etrib et . f e , s of his Majesty. In answer to the Hon.. A-PO4 this r Sussex, he was bound to say, that no praise 'lfni • I ' I nthject was due either to the last or to thepresent i t t° l l , 4 l tr u . On the general question of the Civil Lilt I n „ he necessary for him to detain the House at th e r - g fi "' befor e he submitted his resolution. He would tee t 0 rst instance, recall the recollection of the Commit tte a lteration s he had already proposed in the plan of t h l t erai ril List for the present reign. The first of these I tlei rt n o n ', was carrying to a much greater extent than l ' l ;e e , ll ,, tl . l e withdrawing from the Civil List of all ex ' al IT U' i mmediately applicable to the expences of the L ka t . the Y dignity of the Throne. for '4tlitur_ oes f Civil List had been voted for the civil ex b_,' f the country ; but by degrees various charges ifVo taken from it, and since Mr. Burke 's Bill in ; 4 1. 4 att: I f_ i ' l la portions of the regular expenditure of the : 111j A " It ad been excluded. It had appeared to him gin h°rp) that none of the regular expenses be ' 'ele,r4", the G overnment of t h e State oug h t to b e l i tatl y eu i n the Civil List, and that all should be con- AM "der the controul of Parliament. He bad i„ l t eel Y t h st e 4 .. te d many re asons f or this opinion, and, as he be i,„ z Met with th e ent i re conc urrence of the Commit ;l•44fould not reca ll t h em. Th e ot h er a l tera ti on was t a atin t n° of the a mount o f pens i ons t o 75,0001. Th e orrn er l I t, Was , 7 upon th English, Iris, and Scotch 1, S t i ed less th an 154, e 000/. The late h Government 'teChilte,_ to red uce these to 140,000/., and the present th" Proposed to bring them all into one List, and to i t t 1 e I n munt to 75,0001. The Committee was aware o, tt :e Ci °fth vil List was given in lieu of the hereditary re ,e te, tte ,. rown, and it was a recommendation of the 14t,heree,et;a :to the report, that in giving a sum in lieu of rY revenues of the Crown, it was necessary e xpensel t it was pro b i bl e t h e C rown wou ld h ave itotl4, jealled upon to make from its hereditary revenues, ,Ipnetiatrnoderate degree, be provided for. One of i t C ti r owri e! was the grant of pensions to those to whom 1 , 4 , Wished to show favour. On that ground alone, 44 0 othe, it Sh oulti , Was necessary that . some . amount of pen- N e es e f loi "e Placed upon the Civil List, and different 1 t,..ng s o had been suggested. It had been pro , Ip t ‘ddi t i oii " hest mode of accomplishing the object, that k iti ttata, thshoold he made to the Privy Purse, in order of e roWn to give pensions without the advice Op„ hit wanthe confidential servants of the Crown.— NoNti t , t i fle had objected ; he considered it a most f utur e Proposition, and, if adopted, it might t i, l ag to great inconveniences, if not to great evils. 41.'7 ex,e7,o essential to Governnsent as unity of force kiai'ifreN,„„"htlt'vde authority ; there had been . times . when Ul t, such a not acted in cordiality with its Ministers; le Power were left to the Crown, it might, in 0 , ,! t ri to the greatest possible mischief. The ' 4 "t, 'bie . gut to be given under the advice of the re eeri47...vants of the e Crown e . r The Sovereign ought Na l the d •g to the Constitution, to do any thing but h 'reetion o f • hi gh] his responsible Ministers, so that it 4 Y U nconstitution a l to adopt any such course !,, (I, el, tit eco.narnended. These were the chief points " t Tth , %e ci: List, as originally proposed, differed tlt t , tt l!re ttn a t t Idst as he had brought it forward on behalf tO ai pL i Mi nisters. The whole subject had been ""'"t Committee, to which the powers were not given of examining witnesses and calling for papers. His Lordship apprehended that the reason for not giving those papers was, that the House did not think it fit that the household expenses of his Majesty should be investi gated in detail ; it was not considered consistent with the respect due to the King that such an inquiry should be instituted, inasmuch as it was applying to his Majesty too much the character of an individual. But although these powers had not been given, questions were asked and inquiries were instituted to ascertain the extent. The question put could only lie answered by himself (Lord Al thorp) and he was responsible for the extent to which the investigation was allowed to go. He had therefore re plied to the limit that he thought ought to be observed ; and the responsibility he took upon himself was to say, that although there was no objection to the Committee making inquiries into that part of the Civil List expendi ture which applied to the officers o` State and great officers of the Household, there was an objection to the investiga tion being extended to the expenditure of the Royal House hold. The Committee accordingly had examined into the different offices of the Household in the different classes as proposed by Ministers. The first class related to the establishment of her Majesty and the Privy Purse of the Queen. It was impossible to examine this division in detail ; but when it was found that 60,0001. a year• bad been granted for so long . a period ; that 50,000/. a year had been given in the reign of George 11. ; that the Queen of George 111., after the second year of her marriage, was allowed 50,0007., and latterly 58,000/. ; the Committee had decided that the sum of 110,0001. was not too much at the present moment, being 60,0001. for the Privy Purse, and 50,000/. for the Queen. In the second class the examination went into the different offices of the House hold, and here some reductions bad been thought proper by the Committee. The proposition was for the grant of 1:30,3001., and the Committee reported that 119,3141 10s. would be sufficient—making a diminution of 10,955/. 10s. It was proposed that a few offices should be reduced. The salary of the Lord Chamberlain was to be lowered from 3,055/. to 2,000/. ; and reductions of various amounts were to be made in the amounts annually given to the Vice-Chamberlain, the Groom of the Stole, the Lords and Grooms of the Bed-chamber, the Captain and Band of Gentlemen Pensioners, the Captain and Yeomen of the Guard, four physicians, two surgeons, and the Usher of the Black Rod ; those reductions amounted, in the whole, to 7,426/. In the Lord Steward's department the reductions only amounted to 1,4941. 10s., including the Lord Steward, the Treasurer of the House hold, the Comptroller of the Household, and the Secretary to the Lord Steward. In the department of the Master of the Horse, the reductions recommended amounted to 2,035/., including the salary of the Master of the Horse, which was to be lowered from 3,3501. to 2,5001. a year, with other diminutions in payments to the Chief Equerry, the four Equerries, four Pages of Honour, the Veterinary Surgeon, and time Equerry of the Crown Stables. The third class related to the expenses of the King's Household —the money expended in the purchase of different neces saries for his Majesty's establishments. The Committee, upon the statement of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr.Goulburn), as well as upon his own (Lord Althorp's) on the closest examination that could be made, did not think it possible for the King to live at his present rate, and in his present manner, keeping up that hospitality in which his Majesty wished to indulge, and in which every man in the kingdom was glad that he should indulge— (Hear, hear)—at a less expense than the sum of 171,500/. per annum, which had been originally proposed. The Committee thought that the sum could not be reduced without danger, or, indeed, almost a certainty, that the Civil List would not be adequate, and must incur debts. In the fourth class, the reduction recommended only amounted to 574/, 5001. being taken from the head of Royal bounty and special service, and 74/. paid to two Professors of the Universities which sums bad been trans ferred to a different account. As to the fifth class, the Committee had agreed with him (Lord Althorp) that the reduction in the amount of pensions from 141,000/. to 75,000/. would be sufficient, and they had, there fore, recommended that it should be made. The sum total, therefore, that, whereas the Civil List, the pre sent Ministers had proposed, by command of the King, amounted to 510,0001.—that recommended by the Com mittee was 498,470/. 10s. The diminution was, in fact, so trifling, that to snake it could be of no service to the country. Though the Committee recommended the change set forth in their report, yet he felt bound to say, upon his responsibility, that such a reduction he could not safely propose. The sum he would move was 510,000/., and upon that be should appeal to the House, confident that they could not refuse what was necessary to the com fort and dignity of the Crown, and would not deem it ex pedient to make any reduction, when the Committee, by only recommending so small a diminution, implied that they thought time whole sum very little indeed beyond what the necessity of the case required. He concluded by moving, " That in order to maintain the state anti dignity of the Crown, and the expenses of his Majesty's Household, there he granted to his Majesty a nett yearly revenue of 510,0001., chargeable upon the Consolidated Fund, during the life of his Majesty, and commencing from the death of the late King." Mr. LIUME was perfectly ready to concur in any thing that might conduce to the comfort of his Majesty, or the state and dignity of the Crown ; but he could not concur with the Noble Lord in speaking lightly of such a sum as 10 or 12,0001. The sum, considered by itself, was not very great, but he valued it as involving a principle ; and he the more especially felt called upon to notice it as a member of the Committee: in that capacity he felt the necessity of endeavouring to plac e th e con d uct o f t h e Committee in a just light before the House and the country. There was not a member of that Committee who was not ready to concede every thing that could conduce to the comfort of his Majesty, or the dignity of the Crown ; but a line must be drawn somewhere ; and he would say that all should be granted that was necessary, and nothing more. The amount in dispute was of little comparative importance ; the principle would be as much compromised in a sum of 101. as in a matter of infinitely greater amount. Again, he begged to say that he thought the King had a right to be treated liberally by the Commons of England. He had manifested deep sympathy with the feelings of the people, and it be came them to prove themselves not insensible to the wishes and feelings of the Sovereign ; but he did not think the Noble Lord warranted in calling upon the House to act in direct contravention of the report of the com mittee in question. He should now trouble the House with a few remarks upon the several items, and which would go to make up the proposed Civil List. In the first place, he unhesitatingly assented to a sum of 110,000/. as necessary to satisfy the fair and reasonable wants of his Majesty, considering the elevated situation which he held, and the demands constantly made upon him. In the 4th class a sum of 130,0001. was proposed to be reduced by 11,0001. by diminutions in the expences in the offices of Lord Chamberlain, Lord Steward, and Master of the Horse. It must be evident to the House, that in reducing the costs of those offices they did not, in the slightest degree, trench upon the comforts of the Sovereign. It was practically, and in effect, a reduc tion of 11,000/. upon 52,119/. The payment to the Lord Steward had, heretofore, been 2,436/. ; the Committee recommended that it should be reduced to 2,0001., the Treasurer and Comptroller of the Household from 900/. to 500/. each. The Lord Chamberlain from 3,085/. to 2,0001., for they considered that he was a high officer, and one to whom the honour of filling such an office was abundant remuneration ; hence it was thought, that to al low a sufficient sum for defraying the expenses to which he might be put in the fulfilment of his duties, would be all that that situation required. He thought upon equally strong, though upon dissimilar grounds, the House would approve of their having proposed to reduce the Groom of the Stole to 1,5001., the Vice-Chamberlain from 900/. to 7001., the Master of the Horse from 3,300/. to 2,500/., and the Chief Equerry from 1,0001. to 750/. They bad, as already said, proposed a reduction of 11,0001. on 52,000/, which was a reduction of 20 per cent. upon the large salaries of the higher officers, and this they did with the full understanding that the higher officers would effect the necessary reduction upon the menial ser vants in their respective departments. He had further to call the attention of the House to another proposed reduc tion in favour of offices to be dispensed with altogether, to the extent of 8,229/. There was also 1,3411, the super annuations of the servants of his late 'Majesty. All of them making a total of 130,300/. Once more he begged the House to bear in mind that those proposed alterations only went to affect the higher salaries. Antecedently to the appointment of the Committee, whose report was then under the consideration of the House, the Ministers of the Crown said that they were not competent to decide upon their own salaries; they therefore wished to refer the matter to a Committee, they undertaking to proceed with reference to their own subordinate: , upon the same prin ciple which the Committee might adopt towards them : but, as matters then stood, there was scarcely a hope that any such course would be pursued, for Ministers now seemed to repudiate altogether the labours of the Com mittee. The Right Hon. Gentleman below him, who composed the last Government, refused all inquiry, and upon that they resolved to stand or fall. They fell by it, and the Noble Lord and his friends rose upon their fall, and upon an implied compact to pursue an opposite course; and then when they got a Com mittee, and that that Committee made a clear and dis tinct report, not insisting upon any great reduction either, the Ministers pay not the slightest regard or attention to a single recommendation of the Committee. There was a sum of 171,0001. allowed for the Royal table expences, and the payment of tradesmen connected with the Royal Household. On that subject he must he permitted to ob serve that no evidence was laid before them ; it was im possible, therefore, for them to become acquainted with the details of those expences ; they were merely told that such had been the amount expended during the preceding ttn years, and they acceded to the opinion that it could not be reduces!. He did not, he confessed, think it ne cessary or fitting to urge any objection to that decision, considering the manner in which they were at that time placed with reference to his present Majesty; and conei (tering the great boon which he had bestowed upon his people, and which now, happily, was near its consumma tion. As regarded that sum of 171,0001., though he concurred in that, it by no means followed that he was to agree to so large a sum for secret service money as be tween forty and fifty thousand pounds, to be placed at the disposal of his Majesty. A large sum for secret service was annually placed at the disposal of the Minister, and he confessed that he saw no occasion for increasing it so much as proposed to do, by placing so large a sum at the disposal of the Sovereign. The next topic to which he came was the sum to be expended in charities. The Arch hiehop of York was the Almoner of the King for the pur poses of those charitie,o; and the fact was, that his Ma • iesty knew nothing wliatever of the disposal of the funds; end, without giving any opinion whatever upon the merits of the charities, he had no difficulty in saying that they ought to form no part of the Civil List; that was the fourth class, but it was one which ought to he struck out altogether. The fifth class was the pensions, and they were, though nominally granted by the Sovereign, really granted by the Minister. The report of the Committee set out with saying, that it appeared to them that it was expedient that the Civil List should be applied solely to such expences as affected the dignity and state of the Crown, and the proper maintenance of their Ma jesty's Household. The House would now judge how far the Noble Lord paid respect to the recommendations of the Committee; in fact, there appeared, on the con trary, a decided determination to follow an opposite course. On those several topics be felt it unnecessary to say any more. He went upon the broad principle that nothing should be included in the Civil List except that which had been recommended by the Committee ; for any further increase of its capacity only tended to increase the patronage of Ministers, without adding to the comforts or dignity of the Crown. There was one subject to which he could not help alluding before he sat down. There were, during the late reign, a number of pensions granted ; those of course could only be granted for the life of the late King. At his death they necessarily became lapsed, and it therefore was the privilege, as it was the duty of Parliament, to see which of those pensions were granted for real service, and which without any services at all, and to distinguish and decide. In the last ten years, a sum of 1,937,836/. was paid for pensions, and of that 1,900,0001. was not for public service. At present the Pension List amounted to 150,0001. ; but it was said that no reduction could be made in that which would prove of any advantage to the community worth speaking of. He thought it might lie reduced one half. Much complaint was made against the tax upon steam navigation ; only 75,0001. was expected to accrue frcm it. Let the Ministers reduce only the Pension List one half, and they might then dispense with the tax upon steam-navigation. He concluded by moving as an amendment, that the sum proposed be re duced to 423,4701. 10s. This, lie observed, would be in round numbers taking away 75,0001. from the Pension List, together with those sums from the other department!, which were recommended by the Committee. Sir JOSEPH YORKE protested against the principle that the Sovereign should be told that the Commons would treat him liberally, because the Hon. Member for Middle sex thought proper to treat him as a good boy, who was to be rewarded for supposed propriety of conduct. He pro• tested altogether against such a mode of treating such a sub ject. The House were entitled to express an opinion upon the conduct of the King, or to put the granting of the Ci vil List upon any such footing. After observing upon the inconsistency of the Administration not being governed by the report of their own Committee, and that upon whose appointment they came into office, he expressed his determi nation to vote in favour of the report of the Committee, and against the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Sir GEORGE WARRENDER said, that though lie had no desire to touch any thing connected with the com fort and dignity of the Crown, he was surprised that the recommendation of the Committee had not been attended to. If that was not to be the case, the time of the Com mittee would have been entirely wasted and thrown away. He thought, however, that they could not, on principle, object to the pensions now existing, as it was understood that they had been granted for the lives of the holders ; but at the same time he had no objection to see them removed from the Civil List.--(" That's all!" from Mr. Hume.) Mr. PHILLPOTTS said, that no Minister, however honest, could give full economy to the country without en dangering those interests on which that Administration must depend. The Pension List, above all, was within that principle. In his opinion, they had been granted on a bad system, and were open to many abuses. Those miserable pittances, that were granted to widows and orphans when they really wanted it, were kept by them even after they married the richest men of the empire ; and he, therefore, could not say that he envied them their feel ings of degradation. The subsequent remarks of the Hon. Gentleman were listened to with great dissatisfaction by the House, and so interrupted by coughing and cries of question, that it was impossible to catch their purport. He concluded by moving, as an amendment, " That all the pensions heretofore charged on the Civil List should be transferred to the Consolidated Fund, and that 10,0001. a year be granted to the Privy Purse, in lieu of the former power of the Crown." Mr. BANKES said, that he could never consent to the placing 10,000/. a year, beyond the controul of Parlia ment, for the granting of pensions. With respect to the vote proposed by Government, he was extremely sorry that it did not correspond with the recommendation of the Committee. It was true that the reduction proposed by the Committee was small in amount, hut, though small in amount, it was not small in principle. He concluded lay saying, upon those grounds he would support the reduction. Lord ALTHORP explained. Mr. GOULBURN supported the proposition of the Noble Lord, and submitted that now, when the Crown had surrendered so much of its hereditary revenues— (Hear)—was not the time to make increased deductions from the expenditure of the Household.—(Hear.) Mr. GORDON did not think that the fact of his Ma jesty's Government conceding to the unanimous voice of the nation on the great question of Reform, furnihhed any reason wherefore they should be supported in resistance to a measure of retrenchment. Mr. A. BARING, considering the high and extensive popularity of the Sovereign, could not vote for a proposi tion by which his dignity and personal comfort might be lessened. An Hon. MEMBER. (whose name we did not learn, with great energy and good humour, amidst great inter ruption, coughing, and occasional laughter), was under stood to support the proposition of the Noble Lord (Althorp.) Mr. HUNT also made some observations, of we chiefly collected his recommendation to those Members who had severe colds, that they would use his lozenges ; but their coughs (he said) were so inveterate, that they would quite exhaust his box.—(Laughter.) We under stood him to regret that thc Administration were opposed to the retrenchment recommended by the Committee, and tendered indispensable by the circumstances of the country and of the Government. Colonel DAVIES supported the reduction. Sir G. WARRENDER explained, that he did not think the suns granted to his Majesty too much, but too little. Mr. ROBERT PALMER wad of opinion that the Committee had sat for very little purpose. The Hon. Member, with a view of securing unanimity, suggested that the sum of 11,500/. should be transferred to the third class of the Civil List. Mr. STANLEY, in reply to Mr. Hunt, stated that this was a monarchy. God forbid that ever the time should come when the Members of that House should argue the question of a republic or a monarchy, on the narrow grounds of pounds, shillings, and pence. A mo narchy might have advantages' which amply compen sated its expence. The present Government came into office on the question of referring the Civil List to a Committee. They were not to refer to the Com mittee the Civil List of their predecessors, but a Civil List of their own. They submitted such a Civil List to that Committee, withdrawing from it a large sum, and causing that to be voted annually. There was a great difference in principle between the present and the former Government; and if the present Government had not made a reduction of one shilling, it bad made a great improvement. The Government had saved something, however, by a contingent reduction on pensions. That amounted to 70,000/. The Government submitted a Civil List modified to the Committee. The Committee, after a strict examination, could only snake a reduction of 12,0001. So poor a modification on such a sum would be an insult to the Ki❑g if carried into effect. —(No, no.)--The House was called on to grant a gro,s. sum of 510,0001., anti they would consult neither the dignity of the Crown, nor the House, if they refused to grant this sum to the King. The 12,0001. ►eight be thrown into the King's power to meet any contingent ex pen ces. ( Hear. ) Mr. GOULBURN had formerly given his support to the motion of the Noble Lord, because he wished that the House should be unanimous on the subject. If he now departed from that line of conduct, it was because he could not allow the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite to say, that the. Noble Lord had made a great saving, and that he (Mr. G o ulburn) had come down and proposed a Civil List of one million, and that the Noble Lord proposed one of only 510,0001.—(No, no.) As he found it was admitted that there was no such saving, he would only say, that he believed that when the question was fully examined, it would be found that his plan would produce a greater sav ing to the country than the plan of the Noble Lord. Mr. SPRING RICE contended, that the Right Hon. Gentleman had fallen into two mistakes. The proposition of the present Government was not the same as that pro posed by the late Government'. He had voted against the Civil Li s t proposed by the late Government, on the ground that as large a sue► of the public money as possible should he voted by the House of Commons, instead of being given the Crown for life. The vote in the hands of the Chairman did not commit the House to vote the salaries of the great officers. He hoped that -vote would be unani mously agreed to. He, at least, was ready to vote that sum, because his present Majesty had received a less in c•otne from, and given up a greater revenue to, his people than any Monarch since the revolution.—(Question.) An HON. MEmulta attempted to address the House, but was not heard. Colonel DAVIES explained that the Secretary for Ire land had not converted him, and he would not consent to the Buns of 12,0001. being voted to be given to any of the great officers of State. Mr. WARBURTON had been authorised by Sir Henry Parnell to say that he had no hand in drawing up the r,port of the Committee. Mr. O'CONNELL thought that the whole proceeding was a piece of mystification. Denying the value of the I Lbours of the Committee was insulting the Members of it. Ile objected to the vote, and declared that if there was a division, he would vote against the Minister. Sir JAMES GRAHAM explained. He thought debt was most to be avoided, of all things, in the Civil List, and he should support the vote. Colonel SIBTHORPE said the conduct of the Minis ters on the Civil List was another abandonment of pi in ciples, like that of the Budget. He could not vote far the sum unless he had some guarantee for its appropriation. Sir ROBERT INGLIS said it was not a public or a party question, but a question between the Crown giving up revenue and the nation. The return of what money had been obtained from the hereditary revenue would show what the Crown had given up. After a few words from kr. H. SUMNER, in favour of Mr. Hume's amendment, Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the House could not treat a Sovereign, like his present Majesty, who was dis posed to make such large and liberal sacrifices to his people, in the same manner as they might be disposed to deal with one who was more extravagant in his demands; and he therefore thought it would be but Justice to leave the 12,0001. as a contingent sum to meet any extraordinary expences which might be required. Sir M. RIDLEY having said a few words against the proposition for reducing the amount, Mr. GORDON said he knew no distinction between Sovereigns when the burthens of the people were in question, and he should support the amendment. Mr. HUME, amid loud calls of question, then rose, and said that he would not persist in dividing the House on that occasion, as be saw they were nut prepared for i; but that he should certainly take the sense of the House on bringing up the report. A part of the resolutions were then agreed to; but Mr. Hume having objected to the Committee's pledging itself on the subject of the pensions, the House returned, and the report on those resolutions which had been agreed to was ordered to be received on Monday. The Tobacco (Ireland) Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on the 12th of April The Annual Indemnity Bill was brought in, reed a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Monday. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. Lord ALTHORP gave notice of his intentior to move, on Wednesday next, that the House at its rising do ad journ till Tuesday, the 12th of April. REFORM. Sir ANDREW AGNEW gave notice of hit intention to move, on Thursday, the 14th April, in the Committee on the English Reform Bill, that the boroughs proposed to be disfranchised shall be collected into districts, after the manner of district boroughs of Scotland, so that no borough may be wholly deprived of its franchise. _ . A number of petitions were then presented in favour of Reform, and the House adjourned at a Qutrter to Four o'clock until Monday. FROM THE GAZETTE OF LAST NIGHT. Office of the Lord Chamberlain to the Quect, St. March 23, Mil. Notice is hereby given, that the Queen will hold Drawing rooms, at St. James's Palace, on the following April 2S, May 12, May 26, and M a y 28. d ays : —April 14, Lord Chamberlain's Office, March 25. Orders for the Court's going into mourning, on Sunday next the 27th instant, for his late Serene Highness the Duke of Schels wick Holstein Sonderhourg Glucksbourg, brother-in-law of his Danish Majesty, viz. : The Ladies to wear black silk, fringed or plain linen, white gloves, necklaces and ear-rings, black or white shoes, fans and tip 4 - Tie ts. Gentlemen to wear black, full trimmed, fringed or plain linen, black swords and buckles. The Court to change the mourning on Thursday, the 31st in stant, viz : The Ladies to wear black silk or velvet, coloured ribbons, fans and tippets, or plain white, or white and gold, or white and silver stuffs, with black ribbon s . The gentlemen to wear black coats, and black or plain white, or white and gold, or white and silver stuff waistcoats, full trimmed, coloured swords and buckles. And on Sunday, the 2K.1 of April next, the Court to go out of mourning. At the Court at St. James's the 2.:3d day of March, 1831, PRESENT, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council. His Majesty, by and with the advice of his Privy Council, is hereby pleased to withdraw, and doth hereby withdraw, so much of his Majesty's Royal Proclamation, dated at St. James's on the twenty-third of November, in the first year of his Majesty's reign, as declares that rewards of fifty pounds and five hundred pounds respectively, shall he paid for the detection of offenders therein described ; and his Majesty cloth, by and with the advice aforesaid, hereby declare, that no such reward will be paid for any information which may be given respecting such of fenders, from the date of this Order. C. C. GREVILLE. St. James's Palace, March 23, 1831. This day the Marquis de Santo Amaro, Ambassador Extraor dinary and Plenipotentiary o❑ a special mission from the Em peror of Brazil, had a private audience of his Majesty to deliver his letter of recall; to which he was introduced by Lord Viscount Palmerston, his Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for Fo reign Affairs, and conducted by Sir Robert Chester, lint. Master of the Ceremonies. --- Queen's House, St. James's Palace, March 24. This day the Marquis de Santo Amaro, Ambassador Extraor dinary and Plenipotentiary on a special mission from the Emperor of Brazil, having dely,ered a letter from his Sovereign to his Ma jesty, announcing tie termination of his mission, had an audience of her Majesty to take leave; to which he was introduced by Earl Howe, her Majesty's Lord Chamberlain, and conducted by Sir Robert Chester, Kitt. Master of the Ceremonies. Lord Chamberlain's Office, March 23. The Lord Chamberlain has appointed the Hon. Frederick Byng one of the Gentleman Ushers of his Majesty's Privy Chamber, in the room of Colonel James Russell, deceased. Charles Cavendish, Esq., one of the Gentlemen Ushers of his Majesty's Privy Chamber, in the room of Horace Seymour, Esq. Thomas Slather, Esq., one of the Gentlemen Ushers Quar terly Waiters to the King, in the room of Captain Henry Mey nell, R.N. William Russell, Esq., Assistant Gentleman Usher Daily Waiter to the King, in the room of Edward Sneyd, Esq., resigned. St. James's Palace, March 23. The King was this day pleased to confer the honour of Knight , hood on Major-General Benjamin Charles Stephenson, Knight Commander of the Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order. The King was this day pleased to confer the honour of Knight hood on John Hall, Esq., Consul-General for Hanover, K ni ght Commander of the Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order. Crown Office, March 25. MEMBP.III RETURNED TO SERYIL IN THIS PRESENT PARLIAMENT. CITY OP DURHAM.—William Richard Carter Chaytor, of Witton. castle, in the county of Durham, Esq., in the room of Sir Roger Gresley, Bart., whose election for the said city has been deter. mined to be ♦oid. SHIRE OF NAIRN.—The Hon. George Pryse Campbell, Captain in the Royal Navy. Whitehall, March 14. The Lord chancellor has appointed Henry Brittan, of the city of Bristol, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. Whitehall, March 19. The Lord Chancellor has appointed William Bramble Bald win, of Ringwood, in the county of Hants, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. Commission by th E e as Lo t Ersilscl.,ielutteegnualnart roifiltihtiea.County of Essex, H. '23jlsl)PP' Esq. to be Captain , vice 1). Neave, resigned , Feb. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the Count y of Mi ddlesex. B. E. Hall, Esq. to be Deputy Lieutenant; R. Carpenter, E sq. to be ditto, March 14. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Surre v It. Lambert, Esq. to be Deputy Lieu tenant ; R. Taylor, E's. to be ditto ; J. W. Spicer, Esq. to be dit to, March 4 ; J. Sparks, Esq. to be ditto; G. Best, Esq. to be ditto, March 8, Surrey Regiment of yeomanry Cavalry, W. Taylor, Esq. to be Captain; Sir H. Fletcher, Bart. to be Cornet, March 15. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Stafford. The King's Own Regiment of Militia. J. P. Nuttall, Gent. to be Lieutenant, March 8. Staffordshire Regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry. Lieut. S. C. Simpson to be Captain, vice Viscount Sandon, re signed; H. J. C. Viscount Ingestre to be Lieutenant, vice Simpson, promoted; C, R. Gaud, Gent. to be ditto, vice Sir C. Constable,. Bart. resigned; G. Ilolyoakc, Gent. to be ditto, vice H. E. V. Graham, resigned, March 9. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Oxford. Watlington Division Troop of Yeomanry Cavalry. J. Fare, Esq. to be Captain Commandant, vice Tilson, resigned, March 17. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Worcester. Worcestershire Militia. J. Palmer, Gent, to be lieutenant, vice Yates, deceased ; D'Arcy Haggitt, Gent. to be Ensign, March 19. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Wilts. Wilts Militia. H. T. Grove, Esq. to be V Captain, vice Butler, resigned, March 22, Wilts Royal Yeomanry Cavalry. Melksham Troop—J. R. B. Hale, Gent. to be Cornet, Feb. 7. Malmeshury Troop—J. Lovell, Gent. to be Cornet 21. Bamsbury and Aldbourne Troop of Yeomanry Cavalry. T. Smith, Esq. to be Captain; 'l'. B. M. Baskerville, Gent. to he Lieutenant, March 5. (Erratum in the Gazette of the 2:ith January last.) For Francis Calvert, aunt. to be Cornet, in the Staffordshire Yeomanry, read John Calvert. BANKRUPTS. JAMES ADAM, Iloof:l:lat7e, ' Vencburch-street, furnish mg ironmonger, to surrender March 29, April 5, and May 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners. Fisher, Walbrook buildings, Walbrook. THOMAS RHO OES PALMER, Cecil-street, Strand, wine merchant, March '29, at two, April 8, at tbree, and May 6, at two, at the Court of Commissioners. Binns, Essex , street, Strand, JOHN JOSEPH ROUTLEDGE, New Bond-street, haber dasher, March 29, April 15, and May 6, at two, at the Court of Commissioners. Wight, Percv-street, Bedford-square. JOHN DOUGLAS and CHARLES KELLEY COOPER, Woodeaves, Tissington, Derbyshire, cotton-spinners, March 29, at nine, April 19, and May 6, at ten, at the Court of Commis sioners. Allan, Fralerick's-place, Old Jewry. BENJAMIN BEACH, Hounslow, Middlesex, i'nerket-gar dener, March 29, at twelve, April 8, at eleven, and May 5. at twelve, at the Cotitt of Commissioners. Loveland, Symmid inn, Chancery-lane. THOMAS 'WEBB, Osborn-street, Whitechapel, tyro-smith, April 8, at eleven, 15, at two, and May (1, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners. Baddeley, Leman-street, 400dman's-fields. GILBEItT BURRINGTON, Stock-exchange, stock-broker, April 12, at ten, 15, at eleven, and May 6, at ten, at tm Court of Commissioners. Walton and Coles, Basinghall street. GEORGE MUIR, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, draper, April 2, 16, and May 6, at eleven, at the Full Moon Inn, Newcastle-upon- Tyne. Wilson, Newcastle; Dunn, Raymond's-buildings, Gray's Inn, London. DIVIDENDS. R. Leach and W. M. Poussett, Cowcross-strea, and West street, Clerkenwell, dealers, April 15—B. Mathews, 11'soper square, Goodman's-fields, victualler, April 15-11. Kingsbury, Broad-street, Ratcliffe, builder, April 15—W. Ki r kp a t r i c k, Austinfriars, dealer in provisions, April 15—T. Brooks, jun., Hunter-street, Brunswick-square, music-seller, April 15—J. and R. B. Berry, Ashburton and lvy-bridge, Devonshire, serge manufacturers, April 15—J. Stratton, Mitfordplace, Tottenham court-road, veneer-cutter, April 15—J. Burt, I'Vhitchurch, Hampshire, linen-draper, April 15—n Casper, Bevl,marks, wotch_manufacturer, April 15—F. Fenton, St. Jamees-steeet, Westminster, hotel-keeper, April I5—E. Boultbee, merchant, April Is—C. J. Morris, Leamington-Priors, War wickshire, librarian, April '29—J. Stonehouse, Bishop-Wear_ mouth, Durham, mercer, May 9—J. Parkinson, Louth, Lincoln shire, grocer, April 15—J. Cust, Ripon; Yorkshire, innkeeper, April 15—J. Golding, Colchester, tanner, April 16-11 Ridg way, Manchester, brewer, April 16—W. I'. Butt, Wimborne- Minster, Dorsctshire, grocer, Aprill9. CERTIFICATES—Argm 15. J. and W. Wilson, Whitehayen, plasterers—A. J. Polden, Bit liter-square, merchant—J. Sainthill, Pickle-Herring, Tooley street, French burr-merchant—T. Wilson, Cambridge, jeweller —J. Pontey, Huddersfield, grocer—G. Smith, Leeds, commission agent. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. T. Prior and Co., Liverpool, grocers—Blankley and Acocks, Bloomsburv-market, plumbers—NV. Birmingham, P. Gaskill, and J. Meacock, Manchester, cotton-spinners—Fozard and East wood, Dobcross, Yorkshire, dyers—Leaver, Son, and Wood, Antwerp and Nottingham, lace-manufacturers—J. Schofield, J. and J. Ogden, J. Lees, J. Schofield, J. Jones, sen., J. Worthing ton, C. Walmsley, J. Marsland, W. Jones, and J. Jones, jun., Werneth colliery—C. Scarr, C. Fletcher, and W. Simpson, Cle. menthorpe,Yorkshire,common-brewers—Praed, Rogers, Tweedy, and Williams, Truro and Falmouth, bankers—Dickson, Watson, and Co., Stockton-upon-Tees, Durham, mercers—A: and S. Emmett, Preston, straw-hat-manufacturers—Hartley and Holt, Liverpool—W. M'Knee and J. Turton, Manchester, silk-dyers —J. and C. C. Field, Tavistock, Devonshire, mercers—Goodman and Rolph, Billericay, Essex, brewers—J. Holladay and J. Jones, Salford, Lancashire, iron.founders—E. Bean and Sons, Camberwell, surgeons—W. Smith and W. H. Buckerfield, Red Lion-square, attornies—G. Eastes and S. Newington, Staplegate, pawnbrokers—VC. and 'l'. Holt, Leeds, woolstaplers—W. and E. Greaves, Sheffield, merchants—Phillips and Lee, Salford, Lan cashire, cotton-spinners. SCOTCH SEQUESTRATIONS. Walter Wilson, Glasgow, spirit-merchant, March 26, Arun 11, at the Tontine Inn, Glasgow. James Thorburo, Glasgow, wine -merchant, March 29, April 12, at the Black Bull Inn, Glasgow. ELECTION COMMITTEE, MARCH 25. LIVERPOOL. The Committee met again this day at eleven o'clock, when the examination of witnesses was proceeded with. John Buckley, examined—l am a journeyman black smith, living at Deptford, and a freeman of Liverpool. I was, taken down to Liverpool at the last election, and voted for Mr. Ewart. All my expences up and down were paid. I was well treated with eating and drinking, and after I had polled I received fifteen sovereigns. John Brierley examined—l was taken down to Liver pool a few days before the election. I met a gentleman named Cottingham at the Woolpack in Cornhill ; he told me that 1 should be well rewarded if I would vote for Mr. Ewart. I said, very well, then, I will.—(Laughter.) Mr. AnAms—What was the reward ? Witness— Twenty pounds, your Honour. Independent of this, my coach hire and all expences were paid. I went to the King's Arms at Liverpool. Mr. ADAMS-What did you get there? Witness— two cups of coffee and a hit of toast.—(A laugh.) Mr. POLLOCK—That chews the moderation of Mr. Ewart's Committee.—(A laugh.) Witness continued—The coach was actually filled with London voters. I lodged the first night at the King's Arms. I afterwards lodged with my friends. I voted in a tally with a man named Hollingsworth. After we had polled, we went back to the King's Arms, and re ceived the money. My expences were paid back to Lon don. I get about 30s. a-week wages. Mr. ADAMS-How long was you away from your busi ness ? 'Witness—One week, your Honour. Mr. ADAMS-After paying all expences, how much did you clear? Witness—Nineteen sovereigns and a-half. Mr. Abams—A good week's work.—(Laughter.) John Hollingsworth —I am a rope-maker, living at Ratcliffe. lam a freeman of Liverpool, and voted at the last election for Mr. Ewart. I remained at Liverpool a fortnight. Mr: ADAMS—Did you receive any money? Witness—Not until 1 polled. I then received 221. Before I left London, I received 11. to pay my expences down. The coach-hire was paid for use ; I paid my own expences to Liverpool, and back to London. When I got home I had about 101. left. 111 y wages are about 30s. a•week. By Mr. Serjeant SPANRIE—I went down to the elec tion in 1812, at the time of the contest between Mr. Can ning and Mr. Brougham. I voted for Mr. Brougham ; all my expences on that occasion were paid. Mr. Serjeant SPANKIE—You scent on the usual terms? —Witness—Exactly so, and I always vote in the popular interest.—(A laugh.) Re-examined by Mr. Serjeant MEREWETHER—On the occasion of your voting for Mr. Brougham, did you receive 201. besides your expences ?—Witness—Upon my word, I think that I got more, your Honour.—(Laughter.) John Critch examined—l am a cooper at the West India Docks. I went down to the late election at Liverpool. Before going down, I met a gentleman at the Woolpack. There used to be sometimes as many as fifty Liverpool freemen at the Woolpack. We always had eating and drinking ; I never paid any thing for it. I had money given me for my expences. I was also pro mised that I should be satisfied tor my loss of time. This promise was made in London before I started. This pro mise was made generally to between forty and fifty of us. I was paid 12/. at Liverpool. My regular wages are 275. a week. Mr. Annus—How much did you get by your journey to Liverpool? Witness—A sovereign or two ; perhaps 4/. or 5/. By the Committee-1 only received 131., besides eating and drinking, and my expences. CHAIRMAN-Did any one receive any far you ? Witness—l did not see any one, and I did not come here to think whether they did or not. The witness was strongly pressed by the Chairman for a direst answer to the question, but it was impossible to extract one. He admitted that his wife had been with the Com mittee, but he did not know whether she received any money ; she certainly might have done so. CHAIRMAN-Will you swear that your wife has not told you since you came back that she got some money? Witness—Am I obliged to answer that question ? CHAIRMAN—Indeed you are. • Witness—l cannot recollect that she has. The fear of Newgate could not extract a direct answer, and the witness was told to leave the bar. Henry Pennington examined-1 am - a Greenwich pen sioner, and a freeman of Liverpu3!. I voted at the last election for Mr. Ewart. After I had voted I went to the King's Arms and way paid 101. My expenses were all paid, but Ido not know by whom. Mr. Sergeant AIERENVETHER—Do you have tea at the Hospital ? Witness—We have victuals provided for us, but if we are not there to a moment it is taken away.—(Laughter.) By Mr. POLLOCK--I was made a freeman in 1790. 1 voted for Mr. Brougham i❑ 1812. Mr. POLLOCK—Did you pay your own expenses in 1812 ? Witness—No, to be sure I did not.—(Laughter.) Mr. ADAMS—I have a great number of other witnesses to the same effect, but I will only put one more into the box, and then close this tedious inquiry. James Leggatt examined—l am a shoemaker, living in London-wall. I voted at the last election for Liverpool, for Mr• Ewart. I was paid 101. and all my expenses. Edward Bond examined—l bave examined the poll book, for the purpose of ascertaining how many out-voters polled at the last election for Mr. Ewart, and I find the o al number to be 337 ; of this number 32 resi le in 01 ' 1 .n, 63 in Manchester, 10 at Salford, ni 22 at Bat rington. This closed the evidence in support of the petition. Mr. ADAMS then addressed the Committee. He began by stating that he would occupy as little time as possible, for the time that had already been spent was not owing to the great variety of witnesses, or of the matter, but ori ginated in the difficulty of obtaining answers. The case was a plain one and a short one, for it was the largest and most systematic arrangement for carrying on bribery and corruption that ever came under his notice, and, perhaps, the most important ever brought before a Committee. The arrangements were most disgraceful, and no one could hear or read the proceedings that took place at Liverpool—the second commercial town in the kingdom, without the greatest regret. In suet a town it was most lamentable that representatives should be re turned by bribery and corruption. He had dearly found such a case that the Committee must unseat Mr. Ewart; and he should submit that such scenes of bribery and con ' ruption were carried on that the Committee would feel it their dtlty, in order to check such disgraceful proceeding• in future, to award some punishment to the guilty parties. He had to establish, first, treating ; ,secondly, bribery ; and thirdly, that Mr. Ewart was connected with it. Th , se were his three propositions. At the conclusion of the Learned Counsel's speech, the Committee Jjourned until eleven o'clock to-morrow. SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS, The all-important question of Reform,—of full and sa tisfactory Reform s —is, we have no 'look, now. completely settled. The people, the brave English people, have won it as decidedly as they ever won battles in the field or on the ocean ; nor can they by any possibility be cheated or robbed e't' the fruits of their victory. They petitioned,— they addressedss--they resolved. We proposed these courses to them, we urged fkse prosecution of them with vigour, and our advice prevailed to a degree that even we—used Ai we are to move the noble feelings of our countrymen ire a just cause, and on subjects of vast moment—could hardly have conceived, and were almost surprised at our success: and still the people of England - address—they resolve— they petition. Though the victory be assured, they will not rest while there is an enemy in the field. The meet ing, of the great commercial interests of the city of Loud , . 11 yesterday, at the Mansion-house, under the presidency of the Lord Mayor, and the resolutions there emborlieC, are proofs that Englishmen suspend not their open - tions one moment, while any opposition remains to l e overcome—any chicane to he defeated. County meet: ings go on ; parochial meetings go on ; the zeal, in fact, does not diminish, but increases everywhere, as the people find themselves more nearly approaching to the end of all their generous labours, and their grand object more cer tainly within their grasp. How is this to be resisted We answer boldly, by no human means. Let the enentieN of Reform, then, clone at once with their conquerors, in stead of now offering a factious and provoking opposition, of which no one can calculate the awful consequences ; and let them thank the victors of the field for the mode rate terms which they impose. The question WAR but a few days ago debated, whether Ministers might resign, or whether there would be a dissolution of Parliament ? Ministers resign ! Ministers resign ! Why, if they re sign they must have successors. And what man, or body of men, we ask, salCuld dare to take upon themselves to form an Administration at this moment of universal ex citement, the principle of which Administration should he, that the people should be disappointed just when they put the sickle into the harvest of their hopes, and have no Reform ? What man would dare to take into his hands the reins of Government, on the express condition that he should drive the car of State over the necks of the people, and crush under its wheels the friends of Reform—that is, the whole British nation—into the earth ? The ides is preposterous ! Resign now, indeed ! The question of a dissolution is a more ambiguous one, but it can only be solved in a manner agreeable to the public wish, and be neficial to the great State question. The King, u e know, is ready to stamp the proposition of a dissolution with his Royal fiat, on the instant that it is made to him by his responsible advisers ; and nothing has. more excited his indignation and contempt, than the false in sinuations, that lie was capable of flinching on this point,—that he was unstable and indecisive. The King is altogether, with his people, a Reformer. We shall for a while relieve the intensity of our thoughts, by relat ing an amusing little anecdote connected with our princi pal reasonings. The occurrence which it describes took place within the hearing of several persons. The Chancel lor was presenting petition after petition to his Majesty, at the Drawing-room on Thursday last, in favour of Reform. The duty became almost fatiguing. His Lord ship had presented more than thirty such addresses, whets " I am really ashamed," was he beginning to say, " of being obliged to trouble your Majesty with so many peti tions from this purse (meaning the huge Chancellor's bag, so called), but"--" My Lord Chancellor," interrupted the King, smiling, "I will take any tiling from your purs but the seals." And now, to recur to our main subject— the dissolution. Some think it should take place imme diately ; others, that as certain insidious enemies of Reform have voted for the main question, in the hope of frustrat ing the efficiency of the Bill in the Committee, it would be as well to suffer these traitors to commit themselves . with their constituents before they are sent back to face them again at a new election, 'What matters it ? Every one is now preparing for a dissolution ; and the people of England are, as we before stated, of undiminished zeal and on their guard. They will suffer nowe to appear on the hustings as a candidate for popular support, without calling upon them for an express avowal, whether they will or will not support the present Bill. A personal ex amination will in that case afford as satisfactory a test as positive experience. To the people we again appeal, and we know we shall not appeal in vain. Be ready for an approaching dissolution. Watch your enemies ! have your candidates ready,—men of strict moral worth, as well as noble and liberal principles : nay, we see our exhortation is almost superfluous— T v‘ h ,e at ee hat y l o t , t i lo s t ta n n o a bl l e ik l i u s g t r r e e yt, in y i , n )u d r s " For there is none of you s o me a n an d b ase , Straining upon the start : the game's afoot, e jn es th ' e slips, Follow your spirit ; and upon the charge Cry God for William, England, and Reform." It is said that an old servant of Government, and who represents one of its boroughs, means to apply his private resources (we cannot say wuch for his personal influence) to replace himself in his master's seat. Money honestly obtained, and honourably employed ! How became he possessed of those resources ? Not from his official salary. Perhaps by an early knowledge derived from his situation: —" And thrift is blessing, if men steal it not !" His father die,' a bankrupt ; and we have heard some painful stories of a suffering ward ! Would it not be a better apS, plication of his vaunted wealth,' to snake up those losses— to repair those breaches—before he employs it for the de struction of a rightful inkrest ? Times. The Duke of Wellington in a by.debate last Thursday eta a petition in the House of Lords, chose to open a cross fire against the Reform Bill, by fairly asserting, that the wish of the majority of the people of England in favour of this great measure was no sufficient reason for adopting it. His Grate was never accused of paying touch idolay trout respect to the opinions of others; but with reference to one of his Grace's objections to this Reform,—viz., that it would introduce a totally " different" set of men into the Administration of public affairs from those who had hitherto managed them,—we reply, that if there be one feature of this Bill more valuable than any other, in the eyes of the English nation, it is the tendency to produce a very considerable (though by no means a total) change in the sort of men who fill the higher and more efficient offices of the Government. The Duke of Wellington himself, indeed, and many others who might be named, can have nothing to fear from any Reform which gives the country a more direct and effective weight in the recommendation to the Crown of its offi cial advisers ; because men of experience and tried ability, and honesty, will always enjoy, in their se veral spheres, a full portion of public confidence —very far from diminished by their happening to be persons of rank. But we do acknowledge, that afti r a Parliament shall have been returned more immediately emanating from the people, and representing the bias of the public mind, it will be difficult, if not wholly impossible, for any Premier thrust into the place of Cabinet Ministert such indivi duals, for instance, as Lord Bathurst, Lord Ellenborough, or Mr. Goulburn, whom the Duke of Wellington had the misfortune to select for colleagues, and whom the country, for want of a proper Parliament through which to speak its disapprobation, was forced to put up with, as the au thorized depositories of power, and guardians of its most essential interests. For this very reason, then, on which the Duke of Wellington opposes the Bill, we, and the people of England with us, approve and admire it.— Times. In the report of the proceedings in the House of Com mons last night, we find the following passage in a speech of Mr. G. Dawson :—" The Bill was absurd, and he was sorry to see the public press gave speeches from the oppo site (Ministerial) side of the House which could not have any weight or produce any effect, whist, even in such a paper as the Times, the speech of his Bight lion. Friend was curtailed. People ought to withhold their eaoti dence from such an infamous instrument as the Pre5..,,.; First, as to the sp e cific c h a rge, we state .their:hi,: v. equivocal terms that it is utterly unfounded.