The Sun. — London, England, 1831-10-18 00:00:00

CARLISLE REFORM MEETING. ( Abridged front the Carlisle Journal of Saturday.) We stated in our last that the Lords would in all pro- bability come to a division on Friday night. This turned out to be the fact. On Saturday and Sunday there was a feverish anxiety observable in the public wind here to know the result. Men gathered in groups upon the streets to discuss the probabilities of success and to consi der the chances of defeat. The arrival of the Manchester coaches about ten o'clock on Sunday evening, at length brought the wished-for intelligence. The division, it will be seen, did not take place till near six o'clock on Satur day morning, and within an hour afterwards the spirited proprietor of The Sun newspaper sent off expresses to all parts of the country with the fatal intelligence, and a re port of the night's debate. Thus by his spirited exertions the news was conveyed here (a distance of 305 miles) in less than forty hours. Late as the hour was when the in telligence arrived here, it soon spread through the town, and was generally received with " curses, not loud but deep." At an early hour next morning numbers of people ga thered in the street to learn additional particulars, and gloom and disappointment were visible in every counte nance. In the course of the forenoon the following notice was issued : " PUBLIC MEETING THIS DAY. " The tradesmen of Carlisle are respectfully requested to close their 'hops, warehouses, &c., this day, at one o'clock, to testify their deep sorrow at the rejection of the Reform Bill. " By order of the Committee of the Reform Association, " Oct, ber 10, MI. " JAMES STEEL, Sec." By the appointed hour almost every shop in the town was closed. Immediately after the shops were closed, hundreds of persons were seen hurrying towards the Swifts, the place appointed fur holding the meeting. Fur nearly half an hour the people continued to pour down the streets in one unbrcken stream—in fact, the whole male population of the city was upon the move, to take part in the inte resting proceedings. Large bodies of men also arrived front several of the neighbouring villages—particularly from Dalston, Warwick, Sec. About half-past one o'clock the Caldewgate and Dalston men arrived upon the ground in an immense body, with a band of music and eight or nine flags. Amongst the latter was the large flag which attracted so much attention at the election, with the full length portrait of the King, bearing in his hand a copy of the Bill ; one of the flees was a tri-colour ; another was inscribed "James and Independence ;" a fourth bore the motto, " Who would be free themselves must strike the blow." The mottoes on the other flags we did not ascer tain ; but the whole of the banners bad pieces of black crape hung to them. About half-past one the Committee of the Association, accompanied by a great number of gentlemen, and the principal tradesmen in the city, took their station upon the bank, and were received with three cheers. The ap pearance of the meeting at this time was most imposing ; the number of persons present being as nearly as we can calculate about twelve thousand. Joni. threw, Esq. then came forward, and was re ceived with three hearty cheers. He said—Friends and fellow-countrymen—Being called upon to take the chair nn this occasion, I met confess that I appear before you tinder feelings of great disappointment, but at the saute time without one particle of despondency, because I am sore we are all united in a good, true, righteous, and holy ctuse, and we have nothing to do but go on—united as one man—(" We are," "we will") —and the dey will be our own ; for who is there to stand against us ? (Cheers.) I hope the Lords have acted from misinforma tion. They know not the feeling of the country. They have been told by the public Press—l mean by a small portion of it in their employ—that the people were cool ing towards the Bill ; but they have been grievously mis taken—they have been most wofully misled.—(Applause.) I trust such meetings as this, held, as they will be, all ewer the country, will open their eyes.—(Cheers.) Our duty is clear we must remain firm, united, undaunted— and keep the peace.—(Tremendous cheering, and shout. of " We will.") I call on you, then, to hold up your hands to keep the peace.—(An immense forest of hands was held up amidst great cheering.) I know you will keep the peace (for yon possess more good sense titan you get credit for)—l am certain you will, for the only chance of failure is in a contrary course. Mr. FERGUSON-Gentlemen-Keep the peace, and all is save. —(Loud cheering.) Our object is, to send a petition to our excellent and patriotic Sovereign, request ing him to use that power which the Constitution affords him, to create a sufficient number of Peers to meet the exigency of the occasion.--(Cheers—A voice in the crowd, " We want no more Peers—there's plenty of thesis to keep."—Laughter.) And also to send a memorial to Earl Grey, to tell him and his colleagues not to he dis couraged—and that we place confidence in the wisdom, ability, and independence of his Ministry.—(Cheers.) And now one word more as to what Mr. Dixon has said to you. Above all things keep the peace —(" We will, we will," and great cheering.) Let us he firm, and use every constitutional means to carry this question, but let eta keep the peace. Mr. Ferguson concluded by propos ing that the petition be presented to the King. The CHAIRMAN, on account of the indisposition of Mr. Ferguson, read the petition. G. G. Mousse:a-, Esq.—Gentlemen, have great pleasure in seconding the address to his Majesty—(Cheer ing)—concurring as I do, in every word it contain , . I ars satisfied that we shall win our way, and gain our pr. pooe.—(Cheers.) I have only to reiterate a single senti ment—Peace, and avoid disturbance. The only chance the Opposition have, is in the event of commotion. The Criatnataar then put the question, which was car ,ried amidst loud and long-continued cheering. HENRY A. Anew env, E.g., of Newhiggin-hall, then prestvited himself, and was received with three cheers. He seird,—Friends and fellow-countrymen, it is under feelings a strong agitation, but at the same time under a sense of imperative duty, that I now present myself before you to propose the memorial I hold in my hands. The Learned Gentleman then read a memorial.—Gentlemen, I hope it will be adopted without a dissentient voice, like the petition which has just passed. I hope we shall all be unanimous too in keeping the peace; and I was much gra tified at seeing you all bind yourselves to do so, when the Chairman put it to you ; for by so doing we shall ensure eucceas.—(Hear, beer.) The petition which you have passed is to request his Majesty to create a sufficient num ber of Peers : this 1 have no doubt will be the course adopted ; and then we shall see the Bill passed.--(Cheers.) The only thing with us ought to be union, harmony, and co-operation. Be not riotous, or all is lust.(Hear.) That is tie point which we ought all to remember. I ap • peal also to the advice given by a newspaper in this town— there are two descriptions of newspapers in this town.— (" Aye, aye, we all know the Patriot.") That to which J allude is one which has honestly and consistently, from the commencement of its career, advocated the rights of the people, and the Editor has always given to the people good advice, and to whom, as I have said on a former occasion, and in another place, we are in a great measure indebted for the triumph of the last county election. I allude to a paper which has been iesusd by the Editor of that paper this morning, at least it bears the meek of that offitte, sod I think, front the style of compositiou, it is his ; written in a spirit which I perfectly agree with, and in words much better than I could cofavey to you. " Preserve the peace; but show by your eneeo and firmne , s that you are not to be thwarted in a measure, which season, justice, and the security of the empire demand---aiid ;.n a few days all will be well." To this sentiment I cordially etetsaelibe.—(Great cheering, mad cries of " Let us give three cheers for Mr. Steel, the Editor," which were given.) Mr. A. concluded, by slain desiring them to keep the peace, and await the result of their present course, and retired amidst loud cheering. T. Ramsit.ty, Esq. seconded the motion. The CHA MILAN then put the tneanorial, which was carried unanimously, :and followed by three cheers. Mr. if. PEA RSON, juu., treat stood forward, and was received with three cheers. Three months ago the people were willing ,to say to the Aristocracy o " pass us the Bil, the whole Bill, crid nothieg but the Bill, and we will rest content, we will traieble you with no further demands," The Aristocracy boat Phtisen to reject their part of the compact, and now the people are at liberty to demand more.—(Cheers.) I say, I,4en, let us demand snore; let us superadd to our former de:lie:lds that grand palla dium of liberty, the vote by ballot.---(Lond and continued cheering.) The mitre I am informed has been thrown into the scale against us ; and twenty-two Out of twenty four Bishops have chosen to vote against the people.-0 cry in the crowd W e want no Biabope," " Turn then] out.") Does n ot then the reflection force itzell on your minds ; the public w hy should / be called upon to pay ten millions a year (the atnount I behave of Church property in Great Britain) to an establishment that has always op posed the liberties of the people—(APPlause),--that has a' ways-- The Cirsinatss here interposed ; be said Le could not allow such a sentiment to paste uncontradicted that th e Church had always opposed the liberties of tl i t v e e p , e ,f o fe p n le c : , for that was not the fact. T his appeared to g to a part of the meeting, and there were shouts o t t i i ' t stop him, Mr. Dixon," " Go on, ag.ilOSt US ; ~ hearty, 6 me Bishops plenty on't—they were alwa y s (Hisses and applause were mingled for some time ; at length the noise somewhat subsided,) and Mr. If. PEA RSON again stood forward and continued. bow to the decision of the chair, and I am willing to ee ehit v what I have tali!, by confeseing that there have been periods in our history when the Church has been on the side of liberty.—(" No, never ; they were always against us.") But I was alluding more particularly to the pre sent times; however, I will drop the subject.—(Cries of " go on," mingled with groans and cheers.) I ant convinced that many of the Peers are now quailing under the votes they have given, many of them are perchance at this mo ment reflecting that forty years ago France was in posses-. sion of as proud, as rich, as unbending an aristocracy as we have now in England ; that aristocracy refused to concede in time to popular demands, and now what is it? The ghost of departed grandeur—the shadow of a shade. —(Much cheering.) With this example before their eyes, the aristocracy of England are perhaps already sensible that they have let slip the time for concession,—that they have lingered on the beach till the return of the spring tide has rendered retreat no longer practicable. I beg leave to move a vote of thanks to our excellent Chairman, Mr. John Dixon.—(Cheers, mingled with some shouts of dissent followed the proposition, a part of the crowd ap pearing to be somewhat out of humour with the worthy Chairman on account of his previous interposition. ) Mr. DIXON was about to return thanks, when Mr. AnuorrsY said he believed the motion was not carried according to the usual form, it not having been seconded, and he, therefore, wished to do so. The motion was carried, and three times three cheers followed. Mr. Dixost returned thanks. One word as to the Church. I am sorry that the Bishops have taken the part which they have.—(" We don't want any Bishops.") No man can regret it more than I do ; but the reason why I called Mr. Pearson to order was, because he said they had been invariably found marshalled against the liberties of the people—a thing historically untrue.—(" Oh, say nothing for them,"—" Away with. them.") Sorry I am that they should have taken what I think an erroneous view of the question of Reform ; yet 1 know that there were times when they stood up for our privileges.— (Cheers—" Aye, but that's long since.") The Chairman then concluded by desiring them to sign the memorial as speedily as possible. The business of the meeting having been concluded, the Chairman called upon the people to give three cheers for the King, which they did accordingly, and with great en thusiasm ; and after doing this, the meeting, with a spon taneous feeling, gave unrequested, three hearty cheers more for Earl Grey, and then separated. The business of the meeting did not terminate until after three o'clock ; at half-past five the sheets placed at the different booksellers' shops were called in, when the signatures amounted to five thousand two hundred and sixty—being by far the largest number ever attached to a petition from this city, and the t‘ hole obtained in little more than two hours. . . The petition to the King was signed by the Chairman on behalf of the meeting, and forwarded to the Lord Chan cellor for presentation. Yesterday (Friday) morning the following answer was received from Earl Grey : " Downing-street, Oct 122, 1831, Sin,—l am desired by Lord Grey to acknowledge the receipt of your letter, and of the memorial of the inhabitants of Carlisle. " It has afforded him the sincerest pleasure to hear that no disturbance of the public peace has occurred at Carlisle, and he desires me to offer to you, on behalf of those who have signed the memorial, his warmest acknowledgment of the flattering confidence in his colleagues and himself expressed by them. " I have the honour to be, &c. " To John Dixon ' Esq. " CIIAS. W OOD." Monday passed off in perfect quietness. On Tuesday, however, it was understood that the Bishop of this diocese, who bad given his proxy against the Bill, had arrived at his seat at Rose Castle. It was soon resolved upon by the working classes in Caldewgate, to burn him in effigy. Between seven and eight o'clock in the evening, the streets were completely filled with people ; and a litt'e before the latter hour the procession set off from Caldewgate. Several men bearing torches upon poles preceded the effigy, which was dressed in full canonicals, with a placard upon its breast, and inscribed upon it—" The plunderer of the people." Behind this was another effigy representing the devil, who kept close at the back of the other during the whole time of the procession, as if in conversation with it. These were surrounded and accompanied by a variety of banners, and music, and we should think, at least five or six thousand people. After parading the streets, the effigies.were brought to the Market-place, and burned at the Cross, amid the acclamations of the multitude,--a young wag tolling the fire-bell in the Town-hall, as a funeral knell, and the musicians playing "God save the King." After the conflagration the crowd quietly dis persed. We understand another effigy of the Bishop was burned at Daiston (about a mile from his Lordship's seat) on the following evening. HENLEY•ON-THAMES, OCT. 15. Whatever opinions may have been asserted that the people were indifferent to the cause of Reform, it caenot be applied to this town, for the meeting held to-day in the Town-hall (the Mayor in the Chair), to address his Ma jesty in consequence of the rejectiom of the Bill, was by far the most numerous and respectable that has yet taken place. Our worthy Rector, the Rev. J. Kine, in moving the first resolution, observed, as a clergyman, he was glad to embrace the opportunity of expressing his sentiments in favour of the Reform Bill, and as an humble individual he was gratified in coinciding with the opinions of so large and respectable a meeting of his fellow-townsmen ; he re gretted that the high dignitaries of the church were so much identified in the rejection of the measure, though he firmly believed they acted from conscientious motives; whatever rtfleciions might be east on the establishment, he congra tu'ated the meeting on the peaceable demeanour of the town, and hoped the same line of conduct would be fol lowed in other towns and parishes. William Coombes, Esq. seconded this resolution. The several other resolu tions, as well as the address, were proposed, seconded, and all carried unanimously, arid the meeting broke up after giving four cheers for Kin g William, four for Reform, and three for the Mara., for his loyal, spirited, and ind,pen dent conduct in the Chair. SECON:) EDITION. SUN OFFICE, Seven o'Clock• MPERIAL PARLIAMENT THIS EVENING. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took his seat a few minutes before Four o'clock. Mr. Johnson, of the office of Chief Secretary for Irelind, brought up a copy of depositions taken at Newtownbarry. The Bill for bettering the condition of the labouring poor was read a second time, and ordered to be printed. Mr. SADLER presented a petition from Galway, re lating to the Galway franchise. Also a petition from Joseph HoTway, in prison for offences against the law of libel, praying an alteration of that law. Also a petition from persons employed in spinning mills at Dundee, com plaining of the hardships which children employed in those factories experienced. lie wished the Bill of the Honourable Baronet, the Member for Westminwer, had extended to cotton factories, and he gave notice that he would take up the subject next session. The Hon. Member also presented a petition from a parish in Belk shire, praying for the abolition of Negro Slavery, and one from Galway respecting the duty on Bari:la. The Hon. Member then gave a formal intimation that he would next session introduce a Bill for regulating the hours of labour for children in cotton factories, and another Bill for the relief of the poor in Ireland. Mr. HODGSON presented a petition front the ship owners, &c. of Barnstaple, for the repeal of the marine insurance duty. Mr. HUME strongly condemned the duty on insurances as most impolitic, and was surprised that his Majesty's Government had not turned their attention to the subject. The Hon. Member also adverted to the necessity of re ducing the Pension List, and said he hoped to see the time when the public purse would be shut against all pensions. —(llear, from Mr. Hunt.) CORN LAWS. _ . Colonel TORRt:Nipresented a petition from the in habitants of London and kkrettninster praying for a re vision of the existing system of Corn Laws. The peti tion was of great importance to the country—more particularly at the present pecu liar crisis to which the country had arrived. Endeavours had been made, and in some places but too successfully, to place the agricultural ip opposition to the manufactuting interest. lie was sorry to perceive that a Noble Lord, in a re cent speech to the freeholders of Dorsetshite, had said, if the Reform Bill were to pass, the agricultural interest . would sufftr very m a t e rially, and the farmers would be row ed. Now, a stat emen t more m i sc hi e vous, or one more injurious to the country, could not have been put forth. The two interests were so linked together, so dove• tailed with each other, that they must stand or fall to• gether, and to set them in opposition to each other was most mischievous.—(Hear.) Had that N o bl e L or d taken a leaf out of the book of 1)1r. Henry Drummond, called Cheap Corn good fur Farmers, he would not have made such an injurious statement. Time petitioners entertained the same views as Mr. Henry Drummond regarding Ithe effect of the Corn Laws, and staled, that notwith standing the high price of corn, they received a less reward for their toil than the labourers in any other country, and they attributed that result to the operation of the corn laws. The Hoe. and gallant Member then read various portions of the petition, and entreated the earnest atten tion of the House to the contents of it, as containing, in a condensed form, the entire theory of tie corn law system, and as developing the effect produced from it, which was so injurious to the country. The petition, of which the following is a copy, w as then read and laid on the table : TO THE HONOURABLE THE COMMONS OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND, IN PARLIAMENT ASSEMBLED. THE PETITION OF THE UNDERSIGNED INHA BITANTS OF LONDON AND WESTMINSTER, SHEWETII, That the present alarming stagnation of trade, and the low rates of wages and of profits, as well in agriculture as in manu factures, have induced your petitioners respectfully to approach your Honourable House, in order to point out what appear to your petitioners to be sonic of the principal causes of these cala mities, and to pray your Honourable House for the removal of them. That your Honourable House cannot but be acquainted with the fact that labour in England is applied with more energy, with more skill, and for a greater number of hours out of the four and-twenty, than in any other country of Europe. That it seems reasonable that the labourer's command over ne cessaries of life should in some measure depend on the efficacy of his exertions; and that the high intrinsic value of British labour should secure for it a high exchangeable value in the market. That the industrious workman, who might form such an ex pectation, would experience the most bitter di s app ointment. Th e due and natural proportion between the intrinsic worth and the market price of labour has been s o deranged, that though the British labourer executes, in any given number of days a greater quantity of work than the labourer of any other country, yet he receives as his daily wages a less pro portion of the products of his industry than the labourer in any other country ; and while the manufacturers of this island are capable of supplying half the world, they have frequently been unable to obtain for themselves, in return for their skilled, their energetic, and their persevering exertions, a sufficient quantity of the products of their labour to support existence; and have been preserved by parochial relief, or by the hand of private cha rity, from perishing from the face.of the earth. That your petitioners arc convinced that the existing Corn Laws form one main and leading cause of the calamitous con. dition in which the working classes of this country have been placed. That these laws render it necessary to resort to inferior soils, and to adopt expensive modes of culture, in order to raise the necessary supplies of food, and of other agricultural products. That resorting to such soils, and adopting such modes of til lage, cause a greater quantity of labour to be employed in raising the same quantity of the necessaries of life • and it follows as an inevitable consequence, that as more labour is required to produce necessaries, more labour will be required to purchase them. That thus, as your petitioners conceive, it amounts to a clear and complete demonstration that a system of Corn Laws re stricting the importation of foreign agricultural produce, and thereby requiring the resorting to inferior lands, and the adopt ing of high and expensive modes of culture, must have the effect of raising the value of the necessaries of life, in relation to any given quantity of labour, or what comes to the same thing, of lowering the value of any given quantity of labour as compared with those necessaries. That your petitioners submit to your Honourable House, that the people have an undoubted right to purchase their food wherever it can be obtained at the cheapest rate; and, that arti ficial regulations, lowering the value of labour in relation to the necessaries of life, are an infringement upon this right ; which infringement can be justified or excused only upon the supposi tion that the evil which it inflicts upon the labouring classes is overbalanced by some great and general good, thereby secured to them and to the community at large. That your petitioners are prepared to show by reasoning self evident in all its steps, that the severe privations inflicted upon the labouring classes by the present restrictions on the importa tion of foreign agricultural produce are not compensated by any preponderating advantage conferred either upon them or upon any other classes, that the existing Corn Laws are universally injurious, that the master, manufacturer, the merchant, the far mer, mid ultimately the landed proprietor, are all more or less partakers in the retardation of prosperity, the diminution of wealth, and the approach to decline which they occasion, and that by their operation all the sources of income are rendered less productive, the same cause which gives to the labourer a di minished command over the necessaries of life, lowering the profit upon capital, not only in manufactures and commerce, but also in agriculture. That in carrying on manufacturing industry, a certain quantity of agricultural produce must be consumed in the form of food and material, and also a certain quantity of manufactured goods in the form of clothing, tools, and machinery ; that it is manifest, therefore, that manufacturing profits must fall as the value of agricultural produce rises; that, if the relative value of agricultural produce and of manufactured goods be such that the master manufacturer with one third of his fabrics can purchase his raw material, and the food of his labourers, while he uses another third for their clothing, tools, and machinery, it is evident that the remaining third will be a clear surplus, constituting a profit of fifty per cent. upon the capital expended. But that it the value of agricultural pro duce rise, until it requires two-thirds of the master manufac. turer's fabrics to replace the food and material expended, the remaining third being as before required for clothing and ma. chinery, no surplus can exist, and the master's profit will be re duccal from fifty per cent. to nothing. That the ruin thus inflicted upon the manufacturer speedily overtakes the farmer. That if before the rise in the value of agricultural produce the farmer used one-third of his crops for seed, and for the food of his labourers, and with another third purchased their clothing and implements, the remaining third would be a clear surplus ; and he, as well as the master manufacturer, would obtain a profit of fifty per cent. upon the capital expended. That if the value of the farmer's produce is doubled, because it is necessary for him to go to ass inferior soil, upon which any given quantity of produce must be raised with a double expenditure, then, instead of one-third he must use two-thirds of his crops for seed and food, and the re maining third, though doubled in value, will do no snore than purchase for him the double quantity of clothing and implements. hat thus the quantity of produce obtained will only replace the quantity expended, and the cultivator of the last quality of soil resorted to will be placed on the same footing with the master_ manufacturer, and will have his profits reduced from fifty per cent. to nothing. 'That the fall of profit soon reaches the farmers who occupy the superior lands upon which the same expenditure continues to raise the same quantity of produce as before. That it is not in the nature of things that while master-manufacturers and culti vators of the last quality of land resorted to made no profit at all, the occupiers of good land should for any considerable time be permitted to realise high returns. That on the expiration of existing leases all those who were in possession of disposable capital would bid against the holders of fertile land, until all that portion of the produce which remained after the replacing of expenditure was offered to the proprietor in the form of rent. That after having enjoyed a short-lived advantage from the rise in the value of agricultural produce, the ancient tenantry of the country would be either ejected from their farms, or reduced to a condition in which they could obtain only a bare subsistence. That the proprietors of the soil cannot continue to prosper while all the other classes of the community declined. For smile time rents may remain at their present amount, but at no dis tant period the destruction of profit will cause capital to emi grate, the seats of manufacture, and the marts of commerce, will be removed to other countries, and the home demand for food and material will subside, and thus England impoverished and depopulated, will, as in former times, export agricultural produce to the foreign market, and that the proprietors of the soil will discover, when too late, that it is only in the immediate vicinity of a dense and opulent manufacturing population, that die value of land can acquire and retain an extraordinary vatic,'" That thus it appears by clear and unanswerable proofs that the existing restrictions upon the importation of foreign agricul tural produce, are injurious to every class of the community, that they lower the real wages of labour, reduce the profits of capital, and ultimately bring down rents from that high level which they reach in a country, the circumstances of which lead, as in England, to the importation of corn to the low level at which they settle in a country, the circumstances of which lead, as in Poland, to the exportation of corn. That as your petitioners know from dearly-bought experience the calamities which follow from sudden changes in the direction of industry, they are far from desiring such an immediate and precipitate opening of the ports as might bring on a renewal of agriCultural distress, and as their appeal to your Honour able House is founded on the principles of impartial jus tice, and of free and equal competition, they do not object to securing to British agriculture such temporary protection as may be necessary to place it on an equal footing with other branches of the national industry, by compensating the farmer for whatever excess of taxation Islay actually be imposed on him. That from all these considerations, the undersigned petitioners most earnestly pray your Honourable House to enter upon re vision of the torn Laws, with a view to the gradual removal of every species of restriction upon the importation of food and raw material, and with the ultimate object of securing to British agriculture the only permanent protection which in equity it can claim, the abolition or equalization of all those taxes, assess ments, or charges, which may be found to press with exclusive or with disproportioned weight upon the soil. DISFRANCHISEMENT OF TIIE BISHOPS. Mr. HUNT presented a petition from an individual name John James Duffy, attributing the loss of the Reform Bill to the Bishops, and praying for the disfranchisement of those Rev. Gentlemen of all political power. Mr. CAMPBELL deeply deplored that such a petition should hove been presented. He was sure such petitions roust have a direct and powerfal effect in defeating the very objects which it was to be supposed they had in view. Nothing could ultimately defeat the Reform Bill unless it were indiscreet efforts of this kind. He regretted the loss of the Reform Bill as much as any man could possibly regret it ; but in whatever way the Bishops voted, the House and the public must know that they bad the right to exercise their constitutional power in whatever way they pleased, just as any other Members of the Legisl iture. While he was on his legs, the Hon. and Learned Member thought it right to express an opi nion, that the efforts now making in this metropolis, for the purpose of dictating to the Ministers, were at least indiscreet. For bodies to assemble, and come to re solutions praying Ministers to adjourn Parliament only for seven days, to bring in the Reform Bill again tote dent verbis, and to create a large batch of Peers for the purpose of carrying that Bill through the Upper House, could only have the most injurious effect. The country ought to have confidence in the Ministers t there could be no doubt of the sincerity of Lord Grey ; his cha racter, which was to descend to his posterity, depended on his conduct with respect to this Reform measure; and some patience ought to be exercised, and faith reposed in the efforts of that Noble Lord. Mr. ROBINSON entertained great doubt whether such a petition as this should be entertained at all. The Hon. Member who presented it ought to be called upon to state to the House how it had come into his hands, as there was nothing about it to point out its genuineness. Bestde the petition stated a falsehood on the face of it. It alleged that the Reform Bill was lost by the vote of the Bishops, which was undoubtedly untrue ; because, if the number of the Bishops who voted was taken out of the list of the majority, the deduction would have had no effect it) the fate of the Bill.-- (Hear. ) This petition altogether was just like other a bsurd petitions which the Hon, Member for Preston was in the habit of nightly presenting to the House, as it would appear for the mere purpose of abusing its patience. Mr. HUME was surprised to hear the observations of the Hon. Member who had just sat down. If the petition con tained the sincere conviction of tie individual who presented it, he had just as good a right to have that petition laid be fore the House as any subject, or body of subjects, in his Majesty's dominions had to have their petitions heard. With regard to what the Hon. and Learned Member (Mr. Campbell) had stated, he was sorry to hear his observa tions respecting the proceedings of the citizens of London, because their conduct had of late been most exemplary. As regarded the disfranchising of the Bishops, though no one could deny they had at present the power to vote on political subjects, yet he (Mr. Hume) would venture to assert that the whole country cried aloud for the removal of that power from the Bishops— Hear)—and t he time was fast approaching when all changes that were fit and proper to be made for the benefit of the public, would undoubtedly take place.—(Much cheering.) Twenty- two Bishops voted against the Bill—if they had not voted against the Bill, but in favour of it, then that would have made a difference in the state of the numbers of forty-four, which would have carried the fill, consequently the loss of it was to be at tributed to the vote of the Bishops; and as Ministers of peace and good-will, at all events, it became them, if they did not think proper to vote in favour of the Bill not to have voted against the wishes of the people. His Majesty's Ministers and the Monarch himself. Again with respect to the metropolis dictating to his Majesty's Government, if the citizens of London were now to cross their arms and be silent, they would be playing into the hands of the Anti-Reformers. They had a right to take every Constitutional means of expressing their feelings on this all important subject ; and if they considered that postponing for any length of time the in troduction of the subjeh into Parliament again would in any way endanger the measure, they only acted properly in expressing their dissent from such a course being adopted. Any censure upon them could not but be unme riten in the highest degree. Mr. RUTHYEN thought that the people ought not to attempt to drive Ministers to add to the agitation which now prevailed, by the adoption of any hasty step, but that they ought to rely with confidence in their wisdom and sincerity. Mr. CAMPBELL in explanation, said he did not mean to throw imputations on any individual. All he meant was to deprecate the meeting of bodies, the selection of what were called delegates, the passing of most intemperate resolutions, and the proceeding at midnight to the Prime Minister's house, calling upon him not to prorogue Parliament far any length of time. Mr. FRESHFIELD felt it to be hid duty to object to the habit which some Hon. Members had got into of daily and nightly attacking the Learned Bench of Bishops. He considered the habit discreditable to the House, and one that ought not tobe persisted in. The Bishops, by the Con stitution of the country, had a right to give their voice on all the measures that canoe before the Upper House, and no individual had a right to object to them exercising their discretion. _ _ _ Colonel EVANS considered the resolutions that Mr. Campbell had referred to resolutions of the most honest and inoffensive description. And with respect to the Bishops holding political power he had no hesitation in de claring his opinion to be, that, though they were at this moment constitutionally acting in the other House, both the spiritual and worldly welfare of his Majesty's subjects, and his Majesty's dominioes, would he much better consulted by having the Bishops out of Parliament altogether.—(Cheers.) The petition was then ordered to be laid on the table. The petition being read at length, Mr. ROBINSON thought the petition was a very im proper and absurd one, and ought not to be received. He hoped the Hon. Member who had been chosen as the fittest person to present the petition would, if any person did, bring forward a clause to disfranchise the Bishops. This petition had nothing whatever to do with public opinion. Lord ALTHORP thought that a petition from a single individual, praying that the House would disfranchise a part of another branch of the Legislature should not be received.—( Hear.) No one could regret more than he did the vote to which the House of Lords had come, but he thought the petition should not be received. Aftet:'a few words from Mr. Howattn, The SPEAKER said, the petition involved a question of privilege belonging to the other House ; besides which, it was a comment upon votes in Parliament; the House would not permit the introduction of petitions in which was in formation and comment upon it, which information could only be obtained by a breach of privilege ; and if th at were not allowed, it would not be proper to allow such comments upon the proceedings of the other House of Parliament.—(Hear.) Sir CHARLES ♦VETHERELL said he could not conceive what had induced this individual to present this petition, unless it was caused by the mischievous Press. Mr. HUME read the petition to which the Speaker re ferred, " such result was caused by the votes of the Bench of Bishops," and he contended that that mere fact would not take it out of the general rule. After some further observations Mr. HUNT withdrew his petition. Colonel SIBTHORPE moved for a return of the num bar of persons convicted of sheep-ste ding and horse-steal ing from 1826 to the present time, together with the sen tences, and the way in which they were carried into effect. Also for a return of the number of stearu-vessels which have been, and are, employed, and those now building by order of Government, since it first took steam-vessels into its employ, distinguishing how they were employed, and of what horse power. Lord ALTHORP asked the Hon. and Gallant Colonel if the First Lord of the Admiralty had acceded to the latter returns ? Colonel SIBTIIORPE had submitted the motion to the First Lord of the Admiralty, who had no objection to it. Mr. HUME presented a petition and address from Paisley, praying the House to ensure the early passing of the Reform Bill. The Hon. Member next presented one front merchants of London, who were suffer, ra by the misconduct of the Brazilian Government in the capture of English mer chant vessels. The petition stated, that in 1829, the Bri tish Ambassador obtained an arrangement for the settlement of the claims of the British merchants. But those claims had never been finally settled. The Hon. Member re gretted to state that the American and French Govern ments had enforced compensation for the losses which their merchants had sustained, and the only country which had not had justice was England, whose merchants had now a claim of half a million on the Brazilian Goveinment. The Hos. MEstnna next presented a petition from New castle-on-Tyne, against the grant to the Kildare-street So ciety, and forthe continuance of the grant to the Also a petition from the Clerkenwell Parochial Reform Union against all taxes on knowledge ; from the parish of Knockbreda, in the county of Down, complaining of the tythe laws ; and three petitions against the law imposing punishment on persons for expressing religious opinions ; all of which were ordered to lie on the table. Mr. HUNT withdrew his motion for leave to bring in a Bill to allow the importation of foreign wheat and flour duty free, which was fixed for this day, and gave notice that he would introduce it next session. EARL HOWE. Mr. TREVOR stated that a few evenings ago he had put a question to the Noble Paymaster of the Forces relative to the dismi , sal of a Noble Earl from the Chamberlainship to the Queen, and the answer...was that that Noble Earl had tendered his resignation, which was ac cepted. Subsequently, however, he had received a letter from the Noble Eat, with whom he had had no previous acquaintance, stating, that if the answer attributed by the Papers was such as the Noble Paymaster had given, it was at variance with the facts—(Hear from the Opposition)— and the Noble Earl had put him in possession of the facts as they occurred, leaving him at liberty to make what use he thought proper of thern.—(Cries of, " Read, read.") The Hon. Member then read the letter, which stated, that if the answer of Lord John Russell in the papers were correctly stated, it was at variance with the facts ; or the information the Noble Lord had received was not cor- • rect. The facts were these :—ln May, for the second time, he had submitted to his Majesty that it was his intention to vote against the Reform Bill, and that he was consequently w illing to resign. His Majesty requested him to retain his place, stating that he was independent of politics, being in her Majesty's household. He was therefore allowed to vote, and nothing but the positive request of Lord Grey, after he had voted, was the cause of his dismissal.—(llear.) The Hon. Member now asked the Noble Lord opposite, whether it were true that the Noble Earl was dismissed for his vote, notwithstanding the previous clear under standing ? Lord ALTHORP—The Hon. Gentleman bad asked on what ground it was that the Noble Earll had retired from the Queen's chamberlainship. He considered it clear that it seas the prerogative of the Crown, either to retain or remove any person from the Royal Household ; and also that it was contrary to his dut y , as a Minister of the Crown, to give any reasons fur any thing his Majesty might think proper to do in the exer c i se of . that prerogative.—(Cheers.) The NOBLE Loan then moved the order of the day fur the third reading of the Bankruptcy Courts Bill. CHOLERA. Sir R. VYVYAN wished to ask for information on a very important subject. He understood from the newspapers that the cholera had been imported so near as Hamburg, and was within thirty-six hours' sail of this country. He wished to ask whether Government had received any official information on this subject, and whether, in consequence of its being on the shores of the Ger man Ocean, any farther measures bad been taken to adopt a more rigorous quarantine. There seemed t o b e a great mistake about the nature of this desire, and the effect of a sea voyage on it. He should hope, if it came to this country, and he feared there was too much reason to suppose it would, that such measures would be adopted as would be necessary to prevent its spreading. Mr. P. THOMPSON said Government had last week received information of the cholera being at Hamburg. But as the Hamburg steam-boat had net yet arrived, no official information had been received since. From various letters, however, received in London, it appeared that the disease had increased from eleven persons to twenty-one. The necessary directions had been issued to enforce a more strict quarantine on all vessels coining from Hamburg, and also as a precautionary measure on all ves sels coming from Ports from the North coast of Denmark, down to the coast of Rotterdam. These orders had been promulgated by the Customs. He felt it necessary to call attention to these circumstances, and to state that instructions would appear in the Gazeete of this evening or Friday, for all Magistrates and clergy, to promote sufficient precautionary measures. He agreed with the Hon. Baronet, that from all accounts of this disease, it was ridiculous to suppose that it was affected by a sea-Massage. Government had hitherto been enabled to keep the disease away by precautionary measures ; at the same time, it was true that it was seen now to approach these shores. In the event of its arrival, it would depend in a great measure on persons in this country to check it. Mr. HUME, Mr. AVAanuazoN, and others, strongly impressed on Government the necessity of taking precau tionary measures. (LEFT SITTING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Lord FARNHAM presented petitions from' the cor porations of saddlers and eoach-makers, of the city of Dublin, against the Reform Bill ; one from the corpora tion of barbers and surgeons to the same effect ; and one from the coal-meters of the same city praying for compensation ; also one from the weavers, praying for the institution of a Board of Trade. Lord DOVER presented a petition from Shipford, in Bedfordshire, in favour of the Reform Bill. Earl CAWDOR presented petitions from Nairne and Renfrew in favour of the Reform Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented nine petitions in favour of the Reform Bill from Ayr, Knaresborough, and other places. The Noble and Learned Lord took that opportunity of expressing his regret that a Bill which passed their Lordships' House had been thrown out in another Wave, be meant the Bill for the gradual abo lition of the Court of Exchequer in Scotland, and for making compensation to the Judges ; it had been delayed from time to time, and now was thrown so far back as to put a complete stop to it. He derided the idea which had been started, of having a Commission of Inquiry before proceeding with the Bill. If more infor mation had been necessary, the Committee might have called for and had the evidence of the Learned Chief Baron of that Court, by which they would have found so useless was the Court that that Learned Judge had received four thousand pounds for trying only two causes. He (the Lord Chancellor) considered lie was only doing his duty to the public when he introduced this Bill, by which he proposed to allow retiring pensions to the Judges who might accept of them, and when they either resigned or the offices otherwise became vacant, were not to be filled up, but the business of that Court was to be carried into the other Court. He trusted that the Bill would pass early next Session. The Noble and Learned Lord then defedned himself from some attacks which had been made on him relative to his appointment of some Masters in Chancery. He said that he could not attribute to anything else than disappointment these repeated attacks upon him —no doubt the loss of place, and seeing no chance of regaining it, was enough to anger any man, but he was sorry to see that a Learned Friend of his allowed such feelings to warp and obscure an otherwise candid mind and clear understanding. (LEFT SITTII)G.) THE LONDON GAZETTE OF THIS EVENING. DECLARATIONS OF INSOLVENCY, WILLIAM FIENRY KEMPSTER, Kingston-on-Thames, wine-merchant. THOMAS KNIGHT, Stanmore, Middlesex, victualler. BANKRUPTCY ENLARGED. JAMES GIBSON, Northwich, from July 12, to Nov. 9, at eleven, at the Crown lon, Northwich. BANKRUPTS. EDWIN SANSOM, Oxford-street, straw hat-manufacturer, to surrender Oct. 25, at nine, Nov. 18, at twelve, and 29, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners. Bull, Ely-plaae, Holborn. CHARLES ROBERTS, Liverpool, miller, Oct. 29, 31, and Nov. 29, at one, at the Clarendon-buildings, Liverpool. Gandy, Liverpool ; Chester, Satple-inn, Holborn. SARAH COX, Bath, boarding-house-keeper, Oct. 25, 26, and Nov. 29, at ten, at the Christopher Inn, Bath. Fisher, Castle street, Holborn. CHRISTOPHER CATTLE, Whixley, Yorkshire, cattle dealer, Oct. 31, Nov. 1, and 29, at eleven, at the King's Arms inn, York. James and Battyc, Colman-street, London ; and \Vood and Newton, York. WILLIAM BOOTH, Salford, Lancashire, grocer, Nov. 7, 8, and 29, at ten, at the York-hotel, Manchester. Johnson and Weatherall,Temp!e, London ; Booth and Harrison, Manchester. LEWIS LEWIS, Piccadilly, china.dealer, Oct. 28, at one, Nov. I, at three, and 20, at one, at the Court of Commissioners. Abrahams, Clitford's-inn, Fleet-street. JOHN JOVE, New-road, Whitechapehrocd, stationer, Oct. 28, Nov. 4, at one, and 29, at eleven, at the Court of Commis sioners. Evitt, Price, and Lucas, Haydon-square. ROBERT THOMAS, Glyn, Glamorganshire, cattle-dealer, Oct. 23, 29, and Nov. 19, at twelve, at the Rummer Tavern, Bristol. Jenkins, Bridgend, Glamorganshire ; Beverley, Tern lam-buildings, Gray's Inn. WILLIAM SHAW, Huddersfield, Yorkshire, victualler, Nov. 3, at seven, 4, at eleven, and `..9, at ten, at the White Hart Inn, Huddersfield. Lever, Gray's Inn-square; Baker, Hudders field. THOMAS HENRY WEBSTER, Forebridge, Staffordshire, builder, Oct. 28, 31, and Nov. 29, at twelve, al the Swan Inn, Stafford. Webb and !Ecru, Stafford; Clowes, Onne, and Wed lake, Inner Temple, London. THOM AS HARPER, Stroud, Gloucestershire, coal-dealer, Oct. 29, 31, and Nov. 29, at ten, at the Upper George Inn, Glou cester. King and Son, Serjeant's-Inn, London ; Chadborn, Newham. ROBERT NEWMAN, Old Cavendish-street, Cavendish_ square, victualler, Oct. 25, at one, Nov. I, at twelve, 22, at one, at the Court of Commissioners. Glynes, America-square. RICHARD STRONG, Thomos-street, St. George's in the East, baker, Oct. 25, Nov. 2, at eleven, and 29, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners. Reynolds, University-street, Fitzroy. square. GEORGE JOSEPH SKILBECK and JOHN SLATER, King-street, Cheapside, Manehester-warehousemen, Oct. 25, at one, Nov. 1, at twelve, and 29, at one, at the Court of Commis sioners. Whitelock, Aldermanbury. JAMES FOX, Gravesend, Kent, checsemonger, Oct. 25, at twelve, Nov. 4, at eleven, and 29, at twelve, at the ourt of Com mi•sioners. Rixon and Son, Jury-street, Aldgate. JOHN RA WLING, Kelton-Mill, Cumberland, miller, Oct. 28, 29, and Nov. 29, at eleven, at the ottice of Mr. Hodgson, Whitehaven. Falcon, Temple, London; Hodgson, Whitehaven. THOMAS SCOTT, Manchester, commission-agent, Nov. 7, 8, and 29, at nine, at the York Hotel, Manchester. Bent, Man. Chester; 'Milne, Parry, Milne, and Morris, Temple, London. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF COMMONS, OCTOBER 17. ( Continued from our Second Edition of yesterday. ) At Four o'clock the SrEAKER. took his seat. SPRING-GUN BILL. Mr. HUNT asked if this Bill was to be proceeded in this Session? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replitd in the negative. BANKRUPTCY COURTS BILL. The House then went into a Committee upon the Bankrupt Court Bill. Mr. iVARBURTON objected to the clause which em powered a single Commissioner to refer a case to the Court of Review. - - The ATTORNEY-GENERAL would agree to di minish that power, if, upon consideration, it appeared ex pedient ; and the clause was accordingly allowed to stand over. Several ether chuses were then agreed to, after some verbal amendments, in one of them on the suggestion of Mr. WA RBI! RTON. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that it was pro pose,' to make some compensation to the holders of patent offices which were to be abolished by this Bill. That compensation was intended to be taken as the average of the profits of these patent offices for three year, , . With respect to the retiring pensions, there was no intention at present to press a compensation clause for them, for the Government had not received sufficient information on the subject to enable them to lay any well-founded calculation before the House. That brought him to the case of the Commissioners whose office would be abolished by this Bill. It was proposed that compensation should be given to those Commissioners who had been appointed before the time of Lord Chancellor Lyndhurst, but not to those who had received their appointments since that period. The reason for making this distinction was, that from the time of Lord Lyndhurst entering upon the office there had been an intention to change the system, and every Commissioner appointed by that Noble Lord, and all those appointed by Lord Brougham, bad taken their appoint ments subject to their knowledge of that intention, and, of course, subject to the knowledge that if that change was made they would immediately cease to be Commis sioners. The effect of this would be to strike off twenty two persons from the list of those to whom compensation fi was to be given, sixteen Commissioners having r e their appointments from Lord Lyndhurst, and sii . v Lord Brougham. With respect to superannuation 1„,i0 ances, lie begged to say that they would trot be g ran ;/ a matter of course, hut that every particular cas e 0 0 be referred to the Treasury, and a particular order upon it. Sir C. WETHERELL took that opportunity eij serving that the sacrifice proposed to be made 110/ Chancellor Brougham in the patronage of his Cont e ' to # this Bill, had been much over-rated. With resigerd patent office, for instance, the sacrifice was very i011: 1 the appointment was now held upon two li ves, wb r oie all common probability, were not likely to he Jett!ij# during the time that Lord Chancellor Brough am Seals, as his life was, perhaps, not a better life °IS of either of the appointers. He couterded also that:o) respect to the retiring pensions, the Noble Lord Woo no great sacrifices, nor had he indeed upon any f art Bill. A Lee rti Lord AL'f HORP agreed 'with the Hon. an- dol., Gentleman, that the Bill ought to be considers cyr own merits, and not in reference to what the Lod e , ,y cello'. might or might not be giving up. He ogre foi that it was not desirable to reduce the emoluments übifyi office so low as to prevent its being an object of 0 0 0 to able men. But there was this difference berWeepdi conduct of his Noble Friend in this case an d the cool of other officers when changes were about to be 19 0 , their patronage ; he relinquished the patronage) sv waiting to ascertain what he was to receive in refill." wHear.) It was not intended to leave the Lor d Cloe e ithout an adequate salary, both as Chancellor and 59 ,0 of the House of Lords ; but the Bill before the H pU fl` not one in which such a pension was to be ma de. do , Noble and Learned Friend's disregard of pecuniary tages was well known.—(Hear, hear.) - The clause was then agreed to. 1 Te next clause haing been read, is r! c.pe- Th h E The ATTORNY- v GENERAL said, that th e „ er ri dt' : of Bankrupts would have no retiring pen sion, " salary would be reduced. ould be 16e Sir C. WETHERELL denied that there «'- least saving to the public effected by the Bill. re svcA l The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, that tbei be a saving to the public of 30,0001. a year, be' i° : o lteis siderable diminution of expence to the parties tb e " l „ - id be / Mr. WARBURTON admitted that there core large' considerable saving in cases where the assets Wr .e re• sell' but in the majority of cases the expence would be he Bill' Clause D was then ordered to stand part 01. t The clauses E and F were then agreed to. „of t b f Clause G was then proposed, by which the 0'34900°' Chief Judge of the Court of Bankruptcy was to be ,! a year—the other Judges of this Court 2,0001' bet,orli of fie the I C eomß Chancellor'setigi is s s t i sr o ae n rc e br r es s toa o or f yi t . f e aCnodutrltiel Bankruptsp,s,opolul:t2yoa o);.eaiir•-•;0/,,,r,etios( Reg i s tra' l o, 0 , a year : the first payment to commence on the ' ° next April. Mr. WARBURTON complained that the . 0 called to vote this money without having the ditritoo?' offices explained. He could not, however, divide be as it would put an end to the business. The SOLICITOR GENERAL defended thee Igfge.l Sir C. WETHERELL opposed the grant of :,, ° • hte"‘ i sum of money without inquiry. fie regrette d t"'d bee of the Hon. Member for Middlesex. If there ba question upon a three-halfpenny biscuit, that 01 0 her would have been in his place ; but 0°0. , t . s ol° °' were to decide whether 36,000/. of the pinlf•Ault,,' should or should not be voted away without tote, the factious few were left to fight tbentlieteo, of economy without the aid of the u l id Member for Middlesex. He declared be IV, know in what way the three Puisne Judges Ron °Ol, employed ; all the duties which would d evolve o were now performed by the Chancellor's SecretarlYtiy could not avoid observing, too, there was a qu'lP,,at tween the Wo, back and the Press.—( Hear ' - laughter.) It would really seem as if th ere ,H% - , , 14'1: cial writer or journalist to the Great Not a day passed but Members of that Ilinse ' / stet' charged 13 ,_ ~rof / charged their duty honestly in opposing abused by a daily writer, who seemed to be th,o h s champion of te Woolsack• Yet their oppoo,n, the Bill had not been barren . or unsuccessful. Veirilit! compelled Ministers to cut down a part of the job• 0 o ef f had forced them to confess that the r etirin g p enal °n too bad. . t ure l : Mr . DAWSON complained of the expensive o'oo ap therGlm,ivgaeacrtline Government, e, e an r s y tt,e o ao f nf t d h t ipi H er oenfe,csoosi money', especially o e c r es e ap d rercy i i t aol a lny s r ovio i °ci s l a:: : which of the country without patronage. It was w orthy cs servation, that the present Lord Chancellor, 100, came into office, had had the disposal of more pis 0,10 any of his predecessors in an equal time. It was a gol3' fusion to the public to represent that the present v"-,fte by which any saving could be effected. H e did nhofiri, fess to have any practical acquaintance with the of the Court of Chancery, but, as a Member °to House, unconnected with the law, he took UP" r say, that the Bill tended more direct l y to a gr profligate expenditure. titt e r , Lord ALTHORP observed, that a considerable 0 now elapsed since they had been favoured wi th 104 from the Right Hon. Gentleman in his peeldi l , r o —(A laugh.) He professed to have no knowie°lll',.°Mlif business of the Court of Chancery, but that g t ioa' d t something to do with the matter wider conside r ," 0 0°01 Bill supplies the place of that which cost weol. 70,0001., and it does so for an expense of 26,4°, 60Ye,?' Right Hon. Gentleman had said, that the presen'a, • in nt professed to do without patronage. Thi s , s , O r a' take—what he (Lord A.) said was, that t'ern,lf arrived when governing by patronage was at 3" ,; he certainly thought that the best plan f or an/ to f . went which merely consulted its own interest vils!? litiquish altogether the idea of governing by b e 4 but when the creation of fresh places was necesori'op no reason fur abandoning a good measure s°lelY account. 60° 1 Sir C. FORBES expressed his full apo loba ,31 1 ' ' whole measure. Co o Mr. BURGE called the attention of the to this fact, that the new provisions, with the 0 1 ; 1 ,i 0 ie ; Judges, and the Court to be created under_ lidfloy did not provide for the bankruptcy of all be confined its operation to London. Thus the ou ts to cost 26,400/., when heretofore the whole c° hut 70,000/. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL begged lls# tention of the Committee to this fact, that 10e,12 question under their consideration was only 1 0 , 4 0 o'4! were to be paid ; and those lion. Membe r ' the progress of the Bill in Committee color-were( former occasion that the salaries of the Ju d g: 0 410 1 1 small, and now they objected to the Bill as er e Jo °'. o to' fiigate expenditure. The Bill did not affeet business of the nation ; but there was no 00e ;pc f i c o ll with bankruptcy affairs, who could fora to°ll';Le et I that, though nominally limited to London , bog' pal would transact a liege proportion of the cent l/r d to tl b o c i Sir C. WETHERELL said that it :c'ut'e err ••tio/ mitted on all hands that the most defeetislo'inislroit present system was that connected with the ya rd ; 10' of the bankrupt laws in the country as eOn' u •sti°",f 0 , 1 London; and yet this Bill left the country t r u t ioo," t ere gether untouched, and only amended that P o l io° law which was already admitted to be the best 3 tO re,,be The clause was then agreed to. .til On clause N coming before the Committee' u l a tit),J Mr. WARBURTON objected to the Wee chil l' existed in the different per centages tha t vier iace!„lo' duty on the sums recovered by the official ar'vshe After a verbal amendment, introduced NEY-GENERAL, the clause was agreed to. GP•O Clause 0, o.t the motion of the ArreitoS was omitted. A O , n r . e l l v a u A s e R P B , PP t otto l ot done with the surplus of the per centage, when It to more than sufficient topay the salariel? e lf' On clause Q, URTON wanted to hnow 10 13 '; 0 , 1 01 Mr. WAIII3URTON thought that the arrOgrocte`l4' this clause were so monstrous, that even it e or tli r ' J l l this clause, the Commissioners had a rig" could not stand unaltered for six months. .Accass4 to o t io" , , much as fi ve per cent. to the official assigne e fo' 0 1' lection of the bankrupt's debts ; this he thougllts`,,,eti°,il' too large a profit ; and it was also highly °vi j tho' , that the Commissioner was to be supreme, a ° . ,i.: creditors w eresto have no voice in the matter. ogorge,V Mr. Serjeant WILDE thought that the bO t t e jit;e r d ` I the creditor was to leave this per centage 41 t ,,,, $ rfr ' of the Commtssioner, who must n cessarily "" r etle'?' character ; and the Hon. Gentleman ough t i t . ° ,. the/ that the percentage was allowed not onlY " 4 1 t collected by the official assignee, but for the go' 6 ot that the bankrupt's affairs inflicted on hint' , re° II'" Mr. FRESHFIELD said that the g reater t t o c° l3 ,ic quired at the hands of the official assignee `' a t ' o ttie :e pe the debts of the bankrupt, and to pay thew IP t sO'' f lI of England ; he did not see why the prt u '''; ' ,lorill, were not quite competent to discharge t 1.3 t he °, SiF objected to the great remuneration which t , tr J I l' assignees would, in some cases, receive for v ‘ et ;be ir t / I services. The Hon. Member quoted a case o f otif 1 ruptcy of a sugar•refiner, in which the offici3 4)Ve Th e 4'd the th ree 4 1 1: •40410 tu t It -1 !Poi o r i l el l 10: ar,„ thti