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usually took place on Such occasion. lie nowt °hied to the motion altogether. - Mr. HUNT—.The tlallant Colonel had mentioned in surrectionary movement. -He (Mt. H.) could give him every infortmtion about that,.—(Great laughter.) A few dap% befnre the 9th of November, lie wa , Chairman at a 'very crowded radical Reform meeting in the Rotunda. Two or '3,10) people could ftot obtain admittance. About three hundred wetted round tht door for some time, and then, by a general rush, made th e i r way i n t o the passage, stole three or four tri coloured flags—(A laugh) —and then went out again in a body making !bud outcries. They were met by the police, who gave theta a good drubbing. This was the Insurrectionary move mer,t, and this only. As to any danger which would have at_ tended the King on going to the city, he could only say his Majesty might have walked without the slightest danger all the way from his Palace. Sir R. PEEL said a full explanation had, in his opinion, been made in Parliament shortly after the disappointment en Lord Mayor's Day, the 9th of November, which was entltely in con sequence of a letter written by the Lard Mayo!', intimating that there would be some disturbance in the event of the King visiting the pity. Various military precautions had certainly been made to preserve security and tranquillity, in which tonSisted the best interests of the people. He really could not See that there was the slightest ground for making such a motion. Colonel EVANS, after an explanadon, withdrew his thollOn. SCOTCH ttiJIORM BILL in toOn the question on tats Rill that tht Order of the 5,7,i1 e read for going Committee , Lord JOHN RUSSELL, in reply to a very general report that had gone abroad, intimating that the Reform measure was not. final, and was not ikitaided as such by the Government, begged to state that he had always maintained that the measure was a fin d one. Sir JOHN WALSH gave nonce of his intention to move, that it be an instruction to the Committee + , 3 provide two repre sentatives for St. Andrews University, Edinburgh, Glasgow, and Aberdeen. The House then Went into Caltmittee. Sir J. CROFT complained of a Court cf Appeal being ap pointed to review the dal isious of the Sheriff's of Scotland relative to the qualifications of voters, when there %Tat lid Such Court in England appointed under the Bill. Sir WM_. RAE made the same complaint. Lord ALTHORP Wind(' disenss the matter fullf when the clause relative to the Court of Appeal came before the Sir CHARLES WETHERELL was of WalfOn that the Sheriffs, who were men in general of great knnwledge, were de. graded in having advocates to supervise limit decisions. He con. tended that a High Judicial Officer Ought not to have his sen tences reviewed by a jurischetion appointed by a Relbthling Chance tor, consisting of persons of inferior rank. vie. a number of barristers.--(Hear, hear.) Hon. Gentlemen alit cry " Hear, hear",: (A laugh)—avid those who, from taking repose, did not kno‘v any thing of the subject milder discussion, might call " Question, question ;" but he would protest against such a Court of Appeal. He should like to hear the Hon. Mein'nel. for Ripon on the subject of the clause, if that Hon. Metrket, Who had repeatedly interrupted him, was capable of givim a Logical argu ment upon the question,—(Cries of hear.) FOt tile reasons he had given he should, in the Committee, vote br the expulsion of the clause. Mr. WEYLAND claimed the ifidnigence of the House while he replied to the personal attarkYnade upon him by th e Hon. Gentleman who had just sat • down—(Hear,) • Who t he Hon. Member had singled hint Out, and made hint a butt to shoot his mark at," he did net know, as he had ncit in an y _ way inter. rupted the Hon. Gentleman's loquaeityny acry of" Hear, hear," or " Question, qu es ti on ." If by e'en an involunt ar y nod-__ (Laughter)—hg had disturbed tht lion. Gentleman, he begged his pardon.—(Hear and laughter.) The Hon. Gentleman ex. pressed his approval of the clause. SCOTCH REFORM BILL The House'went into a Committee on f ps hill. Sir GEORGE CLER hoped the oble Lord (Althorp) would withdraw the first clause, trying to Scotland 4 . 5 Members only, because notices of mouton ad been given by many Hon, Gentlemen on the subject Of Increasing the number of county Members for that part 'Of the British empire. If tilt Chins° was now pressed, it would Vreclude Hon: Gentlemen, from bringin g before the House for discussion the motions he had adverted to, respecting the giving eight additional minty Members to Scotland. Lord A LTISORP had no objection to postpone the discussion on the first clause, but it must hot be supposed that he had any intention to withdraw it On motion of Lord AL PHORP, that clause Ado stand Parrot* the Bill, isir. GILLON Moved an amendment, that tettain words be left out of the clause, by which.the boroughs Of Peebles and Sel kirk would not be included in It, but thoSe places would be al lowed to return two Members to Parliament as heretofore. He felt it to be his duty, urged on at he was by his constituents, to bring forward this Motieht, and support it with all his power. His constituents had been told that the Bill would be a bbon to them, but they foUnd by this clause that they were totally dis franchised. Sir GEORt3E HAY 'strongly objected to the clause, as it would disppoint all the hopes of the holiseholders in the bo roughs. He would admit that the Noble Lord (Althorp) had shown the utmost candour, and had evinced the most anxious de sire to extend the constituent power; and he hoped that the Noble Lord would not press the clause the disfranchising of the boroughs. He (Sir George Hay) was the proprietor of two-thirds of the borough, and in case of an election he would be sure of success if he stood for the cotility, but, connected as he was with the townspeople, be felt it hi* duty to implore the Noble Lord not to Tess this clause acrd he should feel most truly gr a teful. Lord ALTHORP said, if he had not seen sufficient reason for throwing the borough into the county, the speech of the Hon. Baronet would have satisfied him of its necessity—(Hear) —to do away with the system of undue influence and nomination.— (Hear.) The population of the doiliity of Peebles was 20,00, and that of the borough, 2,7215. The county of Selkirk, 6,757, and of the borough, 2,028. It Was desirous that the town should sliare in the representation of the county, and, in his opinion, the town would be gainers by the arrangement, and the constituency would be greatly improved. He therefore hoped the Housewould adopt the clause. Sir GEORGE HAY said a few words against the clause. Sir GEORGE CLERK said the boroughs ought to retain their fraechise ; and the householdets were by the clause for ever dis. inutchised. Mr. KENNEDY declared that the householders of the bo roughs never were franchised.—(Hear) The franchise in the boroughs existed Mils , in the corporations, and therefore there was no disfranchisement of the householders. He would call the attention of the House to the borough of Rothsay, which he had the honour to represent, and he assured the House that his con stituents were fully satisfied with being merged into the county; and he heartily approved of the plan of merging boroughs into nomination counties,-(Hear.) He should, therefore, vote for the clause merging the boroughs into the counties of Peebles and Selkirk, and giving each county one Member. Lurd ALTHORP explained. Mr. CUTLAR FERGUSSON said, it had been admitted by the Noble Lord (Althorp) that as a general principle the borough populatton.and the county population should.be kept distinct and separate, he therefore opposed the clause. He had- no objection to include ten-pound householders in villages, as the rural popu lation ought to b e a d m it te d t o t h e r i g h t of voting, but he objected to the admission of borough householders to oversell elinthe county. —(Hear.) He should vote for the exchision of the boroughs from the Bill by supporting the amendment • 'Mr. PRINGLE should oppose the clause, and in his opinion their thanks were due to Mr. , Gillon, for the bold and manly stand he had made on behalf of the Royal. Boroughs, which it was determined should be disfranchised at one fell swoop, though there was no objection to them on the ground of population or political integrity. . . Sir G. MURRAY wou ld en t er hi s pro t es t aga i nst th e f a lse as sertion which had been uttered in that House, viz. that Scot land had no representation. .He was an independent represen tative of that country.—(Hear, hear )—lf it was true that there was no represent , tion, it was not possible there could be any dis. tranchisement—(llear)—so the Noble Lord ( A lth orp) had better begin with Fdinburgh—(Hear)—and declare that that city should not return a Member, because the right of election was in the Corporation of 32.—(Hear.) He approved of the prin ciple of the representation of property, and that Member who was returned by a small body of independent men representing large property , was ai likely to act for the general good, as th e representative of the place where the election was of the moat Pepular deser;ption. Sir F. MACKINTOSH said the question was whether large con-tituencies were better than small—(Hear)—and it was clearly the object of the Bill to give as independent a power as possible to the representative syst ein o f th e people i n Parliament, by the extension of the constituency. The inhabitants of the large towns lost nothing by the franchise being given to the county. In the case of Bath, it would be an extension of the elective franchise, for the right of election there existed in twenty-seven Corporators, who did not in any sense repre sent the forty thousand inhabitants. He approved of the Bill, as a measure of the greatest importance to the people of this country, and he affirmed that the' Bill was the first attempt ever made to bestow on the people of Scotland a real representation of the people in Parliament.-- (Cheers.) They never had the benefit of popular elections be stowed upon them till the present time ; and though the people had anxiously wished to be emancipated, yet they were now to be told by a set of lawyers and philosophers from the north— (Hear, hear, hear, and laughter) —yes, they were to be told that the people of Scotland ought to be excluded from the re presentation. They are determined to have a real, and not a mock representation in that House, and they would not submit that the Members of Parliament should merely represent certain corporate bodies to the exclusion of the people generally. Mr. C. BRUCE agreed , ith the Hon. Baronet (Hay) as to the purity of the Noble Lord's (Althorp) motives in giving the bo roughs to the counties, and he gave the fullest credit for wishing to establish in Scotland the most independent constituency.— (Hear.) He (Mr. B.) objected to the disfranchisement of the burgesses, though he admitted that in 1479, they were de prived of their right to vote for Meinbers, and the right was given to the Magistrates—the Town Council.—(Hear.) Mr. R. DUNDAS wished to set the Noble Lord (Althorp) right as to the statement that it was merely the transfer of the borough to the county, whereas the right was given to a diffe rent class of persons.—(Hear, hear.) He thought the Corpora tions ought not to be disfranchised, and he would vote for the amendment if his Hon. Friend should divide the House on the question. Mr. GILLON having been so pressed by his constituents on this subject, their rights being deeply affected by this measure, felt bound to divide the House.—(Hear.) Sir C. FORBES wished the Hon. Member for Preston—(Hear) —had been present to have heard the speech of the Hon. Member on the Ministerial bench (Sir J. Mackintosh), who, from the beginning of his speech to the end, was harping on the people. It was all the people, and nothing but the people—(A laugh)— but property was entirely out of the question.—(Hear.) He would support the amendment. Mr. C. FERGUSSON preferred the transferring of the borough to the county, to the mutilation of the county franchise. It was a libel on Hon. Members to say that Scotland had no representa tion. lie was a representative of Scotland, and was free and in dependent.—(Hear, hear.) He thought the Noble Lord (Althorp) deserved the thanks of the Scotch Members for his agreeing to extend the franchise to the small counties, and he would recom mend the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Gillon) to withdraw his amend ment, and allow the clause to remain. Lord ALTHORP expressed his surprise. at the opposition of his Hon. Friend near him to the clause, as he had been led to understand that he was content with the transfer of the franchise from the borough to the county. Mr. FERGUSSON had never so expressed himself. Lord ALTHORP ex plained.—(Question.) Sir GEORGE CLERK—(Question)—said the Hon. Gentle man near the bar •of the House might call " Hear !" and Question !" had he been in the House during the discussion but he (Sir George) was not to be put down by one who had just entered the House for the. purpose of voting on a question he had not heard discussed.—(Hear.) He (Sir George) had not heard a single argument why the boroughs should be disfran chised, either on the ground of political integrity—for there had been no charge of corruption —or as regarded the extent of popu. lation ; he should therefore vote for the amendment. Strangers withdrew, and the House divided— For the clause Against it Majority in favour of Ministers --73 L or d ALTHOHP moved the adoption of the next clause, giving 45 atembert MURRAYo ctand. Sir GEORGE felt call e d upon to move, as an ame ndment, that eight of the largest _ counties i n S cotland should return two Members , instead of one M em b er to Parliament— (Hear)—and he mad e t he motion on the ground that Scotland was unquestionably entitled to a larger numbe r of represent._ Lives, particularly as the elective body would be considerably in_ creased by this Bill. At the Union, the number of Members Was fixed at 45, and whether that number was fixed upon as 1- lative to the population or the revenue.ofr case,thecmblz,pohemddiadtoriont pretend to determine; but in whic hev er and revenue had so considerably increased, that hetonside i r n ed th th a e t country entitled to an increase in the representation House. At the period of the Union, the revenueof England was thirty-six times greater than that of Scotland, and accordi ng I , toB ,t i. o the returns on the sth of January list, ScOtland was as and therefore that country ilt'stel6cl a Very dibrent picture now to what it, did at the Wine of the Union. The population had also increaml greatly, though not in proportion to the increased revenue.—( ear, hear.) He therefore contended that Scotland was entitled to an increased franchise. The Noble Lord (Al thorp), when he introduced the Bill to the House, laid it down as a principle, that he gave a greater number of representatives to some counties on account of the extent of poplilation. There were 27 counties in England, cptithining abov'e 150,0 , •0 inhabi, tants, to each of which four Members were .given ; and he claimed the like extensinti of the elective franchise for thelarge counties Of &ottatr3,-(Hear, and (cheers fm,qll the Scpteh Mem bers.) Ifi tie Er.glish Bill, that Heust had sanctioned the giv.._ ing additional Members to counties, as a sort of balance against the mantifaeturing,intereSis ; and he Was,of Opinion the same ba lance ought tOte':,`lsien to &Ottani:l, and for kitilit reason he moved that two Ate ;;hers shctuld be given tb bounties which he should hereatar name. To four counties in Wales, additional Members had been Alien and la Mentioned this fact to strengthen his Sr. gument. Ti' Nit large towns of Stroud 'and 4k.shtentlinder-Line, on account of their vast population, tddltto`Aal Members had been given; and lie saw no reason .. why the same principle should no t be adopted with respeO'td Sbolland. With regard to the E ng li s h counties to whichtti`o Members had been given, Durham contained a population Pf 207,000, sending to Parliament ten represents: tives. N r ot•thumberland, containing 126,000 inhabitant% Sent fotr County and seven other Mcnitler. to th4t tioils'e.--ih all eleven. Cumberland, contain? 06;90 Inhhiratits, sent four county and four horodg Mem etk. EN *but l proceed to di rect the attention ',Who Aso to the state of the represent a ti o n of the Scotch eonntie s . .t. first was Perth, which he had the 4 honour of representing, containing 139,000 inbabitints, as ap peared by 'the '?.ensus of 1831, yet that county:, thf population of which *d% larger than Cumberland, alkie.i sends eight Members to Parliament, only had the powr:r of returning two Members.— ( Hear.) If the borlgh t foptliation of Cumberland was t a k en away, it was redtiCed ea . 11,000, and so was the populapon of Perth, which 4, ht the Bill, to send only one Member to Parlia inent--L(Hear)—while Cumberland was to, BMA four. There were Set-th counties in England which, by the Bill, were to send three Members each to Parliament, the I opulation being the same as those counties In SWealiel Which henow proposed should send two Members,-41-tear.) On what ground hi s f a i r an d j ust rroposition was to b S tesisted he knew not ; for he saw no reason why the rerintleS of Scotland should be so restricted iri their re preseptatibb, and be debarred a benefit, trrhit,h, in his opinion, they had a right to claim under tli Bill.—(Hear.) , He, there fore, moved that the following words be inserted in the clause moved by the Noble t•efd I—. That two Members be returned for the counties named In the schedule A annexed, viz. Aberdeen shire, Ayr, le r th, Porfar, Edinburgh, Banff, Fife, and Renfrew." Lottk XLTHORP said, that the Hon. Gentleman who had just taken his seat had proposed to increatt the number of Members for Scotland from 45 to 61. Mlle Bill proposed to g i ve e i g h t ad ditional Member:, and be }lad been led to believe that the in crease from 45 totl Would have satisfied the Hon. Members who supported We tiresent motion. The representation was not fixed according tri the amount of population or revenue. If at the Unit% the population of Scotland was as to England only thirty. six to one, and was now as eight and a half to one, as had been stated by the Hon. Gentleman, aliti if the number of representa tives were according to the population, there would have been only sixteen Mi!mbers for Scotland at the time of the Union in proportion ttil the English Members, and at the present time Spotland would be entitled to one hundred and sixty-eight Members.—(Hear.) Therefore, the question of revenue ought to be put out of the consideration, as that was not the prin c i p l e on which the number of Members were given. While the number of Members for England anti Wales had been di minished by the Bill, the number for Scotland had been in creased. The ntln. Gentleman says, that as an increase of county Members.has been given in England, they ought to give an in. crease of Members to Scotch counties, where the population is as great, omitting to state that the number of electors in Scotch counties were not proportionally as great as in England. He would instance the county of Lanark, with a population of nearly 300,000, in which there were but 2,500 electors. He, however, did not admit, but denied that Population alone was to be consi dered, In ficbtland they found.the representation unequal. They found the manufacturing interests and the householders entirely without representation—(Hear) —and therefore the increased Members were given 'to large towns. He did not think that the proposed increase of. County Members, if adopted, would be founded on justice; and it was his opinion that the counties were fairly represented according to the nurrber of electors, and should, therefore, oppose the motion. It was not from any petty jealous feeling of giving too enlarged a franchise to Scotland that he opposed the measure; fir he wished the people of Scotland to be hilly and fairly represented, and he was convinced the Bill would effect that. object.. . Sir a CLERK spoke in favour of the motion. Mr. JOHN CAMPBELL did not think Scotland required ad. ditional Members, and it was somewhat inconsistent in those gentlemen who voted against the motion of General Gascoyne for retaining the 513 English Members, that they should wish to increase the number of Members for Scotland. It had been said that the number of Members already in that House was too large; and he confessed that, according to the size of that Ho - use, a greater number would be inconvenient, as there were not seats for all at present. He should oppose the motion, be- Eieving it unnecessary. Mr. R. DUNDAS, said that Scotland was hardly dealt with, and was justly, entitled to an increase in the representation, whether considered as regarded its increased population or re venue ; but he did not expect his Hon. Friend's motion to be carried, when there were so many Members opposite who were pledged to the Bill. - Mr. GILLON said, the people of Scotland were fully satisfied with the Bill. It was not an increased number of Members they required—they looked to the quality of the Members—(Hear)— which would be returned under the Lew system of represents.. tion ; and he was confident the people of Scotland hailed the measure as one that would be productive of the greatest benefit to that country. Mr. J. W. CROKER said that a lawyer and a Scotsman (Mr. Campbell) had opposed the motion, because, as he said, the num. ber of Members were already inconveniently large. The truth was, that the House was inconveniently small ; and if the House had been filled as it ought to have been, the Hon. Mover would have that night achieved a victory in the cause of Scotland. Cumberland, he thought it hardly necessary to argue, was not entitled .to two Members, when it had not a population of m ore than 150,000, whilst such rising counties a: Perthshire and La narkshire, with populations nearly double that of Cumberland ; had only one Member. each.—(Hear, hear.) The Bill completely pulled down all the old fortifications of Scotland, strong with but tresses, &c., and substituted inferior buildings, with light draw ing-rooms. If Scotland was to have her ancient castles scattered in the dust, why was she not to receive in lieu of them a system which would be based on the principle ofjustice ?—(Hear.) By the Bill a most important line was drawn between England and Scot land, and he should not wonder if the old border wars were to be renewed. The caterans might with justice go into Cuinberiand and Northumberland, not for the purpose of carrying away beeves and sheaves, but for the purpose of levying black-mail on the numerous representatives which Cumberland and Northum berland Unjustly possessed.—(Laughter.) All was lost in Eng land. Not a borough or a corporation but had been changed. Nothing, remained of those numerous vehicles by which the Windhams the Russells, the Burkes, and Sheridans gave the benefit of their illustrious and splendid services to the country What was left ? Nothing but the imaginary line . between Eng tand and. Scotland—on one side of which there was unjust favour, and on the other national degradation.--(Cheers.) The Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by again adverting' to the injustice which had been done to Lanarkshire and cther counties. Mr. CAMPBELL and Mr. CROKER mutually explained. Mr. MABERLY said that the landed interests of Scotland were in no way represented.' Those who bought superiorities frequently had not an inch of land in Scotland. :The people. had no voice whatever in the representation, and yet the Right Hon. gentleman argued against the change in the superioritie-, which he foil wed up by maint a i n in g th a t S co tl an d, b y t h e Bill, iad not had sufficient justice dealt out to her. Mr. CROKER denied having given any opinion as yet with respect to the - supetiorities. Hon. Gentlemen seemed to think, that because Scotland had hitherto had only superiorities, the should have in future nothing but inferiorities.—(Laughter.) Colonel LINDSAY should vote for the amendment, although, if he thought the people were in favour of the Bill, it would have great weight with him. Admiral ADAM declared that the people of Scotland were in favour of the Bill, as might be judged from the feeling displayed at the last general election. Sir C. F ORBES contended that superiorities were a legal spe cies of property, and that the possession of them were legal titles to vote at elections. • Mr. M ‘BERLY repeated that superiorities were like nomi nation boroughs. Mr. C. FEit GUSSON said that the Bill would place the re. oresentatives of Scotland in a more independent situation ; still he thought that more Members should have been given to her, when they considered how long she had been deprived of the be nefit of free representation, and how many more Members Wales in comparison possessed, and that, too, although it did not benefit the revenue in a proportion at all approaching to that which cotland did. Lord ALTHORP had certainly not heard many s t rong argu ments advanced that night against the Bill. Ile was still of opi nion that Scotland had always had a sufficient number of repre sentatives to enable her to keep up her independence. Did the House recollect the time when the Scotch Members united and defeated the Scotch Notes' Bill. The' Government had certainly not employed the same extended principle with regard to Scot land as had been observed in respect to England ; but then how different had been the representation of the two countries. A considerable portion of Scotland had never' been represented— he alluded to the middle classes. By this Bill they would be re presented, and a great benefit would be, in consequence, derived by Scotland.—(Mr. CROKER said, " you have done this much but you have not done enough.") This, he thought, was treating Government unfairly, and not giving them sufficient credit for what they had done. Scotland had, in comparison, received quite as much benefit by the Reform measure as England. The Right Hon. Gentleman's speech, with respect to. Cumberland, was nothing more than a repetition of some of his oration during the orogress of the English Reform Bill, to which he (Lout Althorp) had so often replied. Atter this he did not think that Govern.. ment should be pressed on the subject,—(Cheers.) Sir G. WARRENDER said the Bill would exclude a great number of Scotch gentlemen from getting into Parliament, and, therefore, the Members for Scotland ought to be encreased.— When the Small Notes' Bill was defeated, the Scotch Members were supported by a number of Scotch gentlemen who obtained seats in the House in various ways which would now be shut to them. Scotland ought not to be dealt with by a comparison with what had been done for England. Scotland presented quite a diftbyent and di.tinct case ; a case of justice and demanding at tention, and as such the Committee ought to give ear to her claims which were contained in some measure in the amendment. Mr. JAMES had never heard a more radical speech than he had that night from Mr. Croker. It came with a bad grace from him who had in the outsetbeen opposed to all Reform. Mr. CROKER said his speech could not have been a radical one, for if it had, the Hon. Member would not have been so dis pleased at it.—(A laugh.) Mr. RUTHVEN took the opportunity of stating that Ireland was entitled to additional Members. The Hon. Member was fre quently interrupted by cries of " Oh, oh." At length they be came so sonorous that he observed they were ungentlemanly; he never pursued such a course, and no gentleman would ever pursue such a course towards him when he (Mr. Ruthven) knew who he was. A division then took place on the amendment— For it , Against it ll3 Majority for the clause —s2 The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and asked leave to sit again on Thursday. The SPEAKER took the chair, and the report of the Ways and Means Committee was brought up and agreed to. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Two o'clock. DORSET ELECTION.-(THIRD DAY.) DORCHESTER, MONDAY To-day has been singular for the large number of freeholders who have polled. Indeed we are informed that so great a body have never on any previous occasion been brought up in one day in the county of Dorset, and the majority, it will be observed, have voted for the 'Reform candidate, notwithstanding the op posite party have, it is said, not abstained from causing a liberal distribution of money in order to induce them not to come up. The Reform party are full of confidence. Among the visitors to-day were the Tory family of Bankes, father and two sons, and Sir James Scarlett, the latter of whom voted for Lord Ashley; but neither of them addressed the free holders. The numbers were at the close of the poll, for— Day's Poll. Gross Poll. lord Ashley 433 1,125 n Mr. Po.onby Although this statement leave. Lord Ashley a heald26of his opponent, yet it shows an advant age the day's poll of 50 votes in favour of the latter, Si'litlT 01: THE PUBLIC JOUIINALS. The debate in the gouge a Lords has, as We yesterday an ticipated, been again adjourhed. The host of petitions front all parts Of the ibiuntry, signed by the Iota! authorities ; and in general by the whole adult male population, presented last night; form an instructive eismtnentary on the ludicrous obser tion of Lord Wharncliffe, that the people have become indiffe rent to Reform: One of these petitions was from a meeting at attehded by 100,000 persons at the lOWest eo l npu s tation, hut bY 15b,000 acetirdilig to the Lord Chaheellor. W e have eiseWheie alliided to that memorable meeting ; and if ',Ord Wharneliffe will only peruse our account of it, it may abate somewhat of his confidence in the authority of his Bond. street tailor and confectioner—that the desire for Reform no longer exists in this country. Before alluding Mere Particularly to the debate of last night, we lt , el filittelves bound to notic e the calamity whith LOitl Mansfield again and again repeat e d on Mond” !light-z-tilimely, that the RefOrmers contemplate eonfis. catioli: This crafty thane ; no doubt, imagined that he might succeed in filling the moneyed nien of this country with appre hension, by affirming with so much confidence that the Re formers look forward to the application of a sponge to the na tional debt. "It is well known (he said), that one of the first acts of a Reformed Parliament would be to propose a violation of faith with the public creditor, who had come forward to assist the nation in the time of need." Again, " Economy had been carried into all the public offices, and the amount of pensions had been reduced ; yet the very first object of the Reformed Parliament would be to wipe away the national debt, regardless of good faith, and the gratitude due to those who assisted the Government in need." Again, " Why, what did the people expect from it ? Delusions. They expected to sell at great prices, Mid to buy at small prices.' They expected to have the taxes reduced, the national debt wiped off, the tithes abolished." The Noble Lord has profited, we see, by the maxim. Calum niate boldly, something will always stick. He had a touch, too, at the army and navy, which he, no doubt, considered as inge nious ns his attempt on the freeholders :—" The very first ob. Jett of the Reformed Parliament would be to do away with pensions, which had been won by the blood and labour, and glorious exertions of our soldiers anti sailors, anti which had procured for us a safe and honourable peace." As if the pen.. sions against which the nation exclaims could be mistaken for the rewards earned by our brave soldiers and sailors ; as if it were not universally known that the money which ought only to be given to those who have served their country, is lavished on those who have no other title to it, than a desire to live by plunder rather than industry, and their connection with boroughmongers ! The boroughmongers know well that the Reformers have no wish to rob the public creditors, any more than to rob Noble Lords of their private estates. The Re formers have too much at stake in the country to wish to para.. lyse credit and confidence. Noble Lords may place money in the American funds, in order to secure themselves an asylum, if the desperate game they are playing should not end in the way they wish (we know that certain Noble Lords have actu ally remitted largely to America) ; but the industrious trades man cannot leave his home. He has more at stake, and is more interested in tranquillity that the rich Peer, who, after throwing his country into confusion, may scamper off to another. The people wish Reform, because it will en able them to enforce economy, be,cause it will secure the public income to public purposes, and prevent its being di verted by boroughmongers to their own separate uses. The people are not impatient of taxation for proper objects; but they are impatient of taxation for the purpose of feeding the sons and daughters, and other connections of the Aristocracy. " From a List of Places and Pensions above 1,0001. a year," said Lord King, "laid before the House of Commons, and pre sented by its order, it appeared that the Members of their Lordships' House received above 300,0001. out of the taxes and otherwise, under the name of pensions, places, and salaries." The Reformers would as soon think of stripping his Lordship of his lands, as robbing the industrious tradesman who has deposited the fruit of his earnings in the public funds, the funds of the widow and the orphan, the stock of charitable so cieties 'and public companies. But his Lordship was thinking only of the public plunderer, for whom only he has sympathy. If he could be sure that the plunderer was safe, we should hear little from him of the public creditor. The debate was opened last night by Lord Winchilsea, and concluded by the Duke of Wellington. The ablest speech on the Opposition side which has yet been delivered was that of Lord Harrowby. As for Lord Winchilsea, it is not easy to see what he would be at. He would abandon the nomination boroughs, and he would give representatives to the great manufacturing towns; but he thinks that the disfranchising has been carried too for, and that it would be better in many cases to open the borough to the adjoining parishes, and even to the hundred, than to give representatives to such places as Woolwich, Deptford, Greenwich, the Tower Hamlets, Marylebone, and Finsbury; and he objected to the 501. tenants in the county and the 10/ householders in towns ; and, upon the whole he is against theßill. The last inroad made upon the Constitution (Catholic Emanci pation) would not have been carried in a Reformed Parliamt nt ; the neglect of the petitions of the people then disgusted them with Parliament, and, therefore, Parliament ought to disregard the petitions of the people now;. and the Lords who destroyed the British Constitution in lEM are to save it in 1831.. " It has been over and over again asked (said his Lordship) s. hat will the Lords do ?' I answer, that they will honestly, con scientiously, and fearlessly discharge their duty—(Cheers--to their King, to their country, and to their God."—(Cheers.) Of course their duty to their King, their country, and their OK'd, is to vote as his Lordship votes; but then if they dishonestly, I timidly, and unconscientiously failed in their duty to their K no to their country, and their God, in 18129, how is his Lordship so confident that they will not fail now ? We suppose his Lordship will answer that the hook of duty, in this case, is baited with self-interest ; and that pious resolves are never so confidently to be relied on as when they are bottomed on pc. cuniary advantages. The Duke of Wellington made a long speech against the Bill, the leading feature of which was, that the people are not fit to be trusted with the election of the House of Commons ; and that a Constitution is perfect in the ratio in which the people have no influence under it. From the fondness with which his Grace spoke of Scotland, it would almost seem that he thought the Scotch system an improve_ ment on that of England. "I do not pretend (said his Grace) to know enough of Scotland and its representation to pronounce whether it ought or whether it ought not to be reformed ; but I must repeat, in the words of a Noble Friend of mine, Whom I must ever lament—l mean the Earl of Liverpool—. that Scotland is the best conditioned country in the world. I believe I may also say, that it is the best.governed country in the world; and at least I am sure that it has bee n one of the most prosperous for the last sixty or seventy years. —(Hear, hear.)" We have hardly a doubt that his Grace really thinks that the prosperity of Scotland is owing to its be ing one great rotten borough. Not a word about the cheap Church, the absence of tithes, the existence of schools and local Courts ; though, if the Prelates neglect the advice of Earl Grey, it is probable that the people of England may hereafter endeavour to supply his Grace's deficiency. At all events, it is not very likely that they will suppose Scotland would be still better conditioned and more prosperous by exchanging its pa_ rish schoolmaster for Bishops and Ecclesiastical sinecurists, and obtaining a participation in the English blessing of tithes. His Grace seems anxious to back out of his famous eulogy of Par.. liament. He now tells us that he praised Parliament because a King's Minister ought always to praise it, on something like the principle expressed in the homely adage, " Do not cry stinking fish." " It is the duty of the King's Minister (said his Grace,) to support the institutions of the country.—(Hear, hear, hear.) It had never, when I was in office, been the prac. tice of the King's Ministers to give up the institutions of the country, and abandon them the moment they were attacked. When I spoke of the Parliament I spoke as the King's X s nister." His Grace floundered a while most amusingly in an endeavour to show that Lord Grey and Lord Lansdowne hail been as complimentary to Parliament as himself had been, and that he only meant to say, by all his praise, that he would do his endeavour to establish one like it, in which property should be preponderant. Unfortunately for his Grace his opinion was not, like Lord Grey's, confined to the merits of the House of Commons, speaking relatively, but delivered as an argument, against all changes, as the House could not be improved. And he assumes the foundation of his argument, for the objection to the House is not that property is preponderant in it, but that property is not duly protected by it from the aggressions of the proprietors of Parliament. The close of his Grace's speech was curious, as indicative of a wish to shake hands with Re. form on some future day, when not proposed by his Majesty's present Ministers. It is the Catholic question over again. His Grace will be a Reformer, as he was an Emancipator, not from conviction but the force of circumstances, because the peace of the country demands this sacrifice from him. He would praise the Constitution as matchless, as in duty bound, and at the twelfth hour let in the Radicals on it, as he before let in the Papists. " I have referred (says his Grace) to that which was the state of the country at the moment when the King de clared from the throne his intention to dissolve the Parliament. I must say, that since that time the question has materially changed its aspect, and that change has been effected chiefly by the course which his Majesty's Ministers thought proper to adopt. It is quite obvious also to me; that whatever may come of this measure, not much time will elapse before the subject will be brought again under your consideration; and though I earnestly recommend to your Lordships to vote against the second reading of this Bill, yet I would entreat that your de cision be so given as not to pledge you to any other question or proposition connected with Reform which may hereafter be proposed by any other Noble Lord, whether in public or in private; your Lordships will, by thus refraining from pledging yourselves, be enabled, when the question is regularly brought before you, to form a correct judgment, and to render great service to the country.—(Cheers.)" All this is well understood by the people, who will and must gain their Reform in spite of his Grace and all the Anti-Reformers in the empire. There is a power now in activity superior to theirs ; and yield they must. —MORNING CHRONICLE. The King is placed in circumstances, as we have reason to believe, peculiarly trying to a kind-hearted man, whatever courage he may have to face dangers. The female part of his family differ generally from him in opinion on this im portant question of Reform. Heaven bless the amiable bab blers ; we hope they will all live to see the happy effects of that measure to which they fancy themselves averse! Now, though no man would be much moved in a public question by the daily rhetoric of petticoat politicians, yet it is painful to be incessantly obliged to make the sense of public duty triumph over private affection ; and the nation will appreciate his Majesty's feelings in this respect. But the profession of a sailor obliges him to separate himself by whole seas and oceans from the very per sons of those to whom he is most attached, in the discharge of his public duties, and the parties thu - s rent asunder do not love each other the less when they meet again. The King knows his people, and is one of them; he aims at the honourable dis tinction of being, like Henry IV. of rranee, Vle premier gentilhomme" of his country, as well as the head of his family.—TlMES. The first night's debate on the Reform Bill, in the House of Lords, was quite sufficient to satisfy the people of England as to the nature of the opposition which the public cause is likely to meet with in that assembly, and to exhibit the order of argu tnents and of minds by which the redress of our national inju ries bids fair to .be defeated. The Lords, we suppose, could scarcely be influenced to reject a Bill, the principles of whit!' arc written in the intelligence of the nation, and the love of it so entwined with all their best affections, by the absurd refe rence of Lord Wharncliffe to half-a-dozen Bond-street trades men, who to get or keep the custom of a man of 30,000/. a year would probably assert that the old Algerine constitution was by far the best for England. And into what company does the Noble Baron venture to bring his small posse of Anti-Reforming hatters and boot-makers ? Into the presence—the stern and contemptuous presence—of petitioners from every quarter of Great Britain, who sign by tens, twenties, thirties, and forties of thousands, the parchments which in waggon-loads are brought up to the doors of Parliament. While Lord Wharncliffe was lecturing upon the danger to the monarchy to be anticipated from an overthrow of the nomination boroughs, others were lec turing on a different scene—and with somewhat more effect— upon the incalculable peril of maintaining them. We publish a report of what occurred at Birmingham on the very day on which Lord Wharncliffe made his aforesaid Bond-street quo. tation, and if any sober.minded men can read that account of a meeting, of probably 100,000 Englishmen, and allege that he has not been awe-stricken by the perusal, and filled with real and overpowering dread of the ills which must result from an unfavourable decision of the Peers of England with regard to this new charter of the kingdom, then he is far above, or far below, the common level of humanity. Birmingham is the centre of England, and within a circle, no part of whose cir cumference probably exceeds 40 miles from that important place, may be said to beat the ♦ery heart of the realm. The meeting at which we have glanced above, was held in pursu ance of advertisements issued by the Council of the " Birming ham Union." It assembled in the open air, was swollen by the Unions of some neighbouring towns in Staffordshire, and filled in one solid mass an area of several acres. There were neither military, nor policemen, nor Magistrates present, nor any coercive power, save a deep sense of the obligations of rectitude and duty, supported by a profound convic. tion, that the purpose for which the people met together was altogether incompatible with licentiousness, violence, or disrespect for the peace of society. No symptom, ac cordingly, of disorder, or even of ill humour, appeared in any quarter of that tremendous meeting, for well might it be called tremendous during the whole day. But amongst its calm and deliberate proceedings were some which the Anti_ Reform faction will unquestionably wish had been adjourned "to that day six months." The first was a petition to the House of Lords, to be presented by Lord Chancellor Brougham ; the second, an humble but energetic petition to the King, to exercise, if it should prove necessary for the success of Reform, his prerogative of creating Peers ; and it was added, that a large augmentation of the liberal Peerage might be necessary to meet and counteract the numerous creation of Tory Lords which had, for corrupt ends, been made during the greater part of a cen tury. The compliance with this humble prayer, it was said, would inspire the people with much greater confidence in the political integrity and usefulness of the Peers. The third mea sure of the meeting was a memorial to Lord Grey, declaratory of the high estimation in which the people held him, and of the general despair which would attend his resignation of office, followed as it must be by the accession to power of Ministers less friendly to Reform. The concluding prayer of this remarkable memorial is thus expressed.—" Your memorialists do therefore respectfully but most earnestly entreat that your 'Lordship will, under no circumstances whatsoever, be induced to resign the high and important station whieh you hold, so long as your Lordship retains the confidence of his Majesty." It will be vain for the organs of Tory prejudice or hypocrisy to attempt to swagger down meetings of such vast influence over the people of England, or indeed so precisely indicative of the spirit which prevails throughout this kingdom, from one extremity to the other. Let these demonstrations, therefore, of the na tional will be permitted to act fairly upon the minds of Noble Lords, and produce in them other fruits than those of unavail. ing repentance. For the fate of Reform—without reference to this Bill or to the present occasion—we have no fears, but such as involve the Reform of Parliament with the general peace of the country. If the passions of the people of England be deeply exasperated by its rejection, God knows for how much more than the present Bill the Anti-Reform Peers may be re sponsible. Beware, my Lords, of extending over the north of England such demonstrations of the popular might as that fear ful one with which we have already presented you from Birming ham. Meanwhile, let the Lords beware of something worse, because more permanent. A large creation of liberal Peers will not leave the House of Lords where it is at this moment. The profession of a Lord may be overstocked as well as other departments of life, and the individuals of it will be proper. tionably in a less desirable condition. Yet is there no alterna tive, nor shadow of alternative, for a King and people, neither of whom are inclined to outstep the letter of the British Consti tution. The forthcoming number of the EDINBURGH REVIEW has, we see, an able article on this subject, to which we would crave the serious attention of some, at least, among their Lord. ships. However, we are happy to say, that things begin to look a little brighter in certain points of the horizon. The Bishop of Rochester has, it is said, had his mind opened to a few of those lights which have long since shone upon the Prelates of York and London. The Bishop of St. Asaph has had a stroke of paralysis, which not merely prevents him from appearing in the House, but must disqualify his Lordship:from exercisingitny sound judgment whatever upon a subject of such immense im portance, and which, therefore, we take for granted, will render it impossiby for him, with any delicacy or propriety, to dispose of such proxies as may have been intrusted to his discretion, one whereof, if we be not misinformed, is that of the Bishop of Bristol. What a blessing might the bench now confer upon King and people ! and with what an abundant return, not merely of national respect but even of this world's goods, to those whom 22,000,001 of men would look up to this as their noblest benefactors.—TlNES. The riy.ts of the Anti reforming party are as miserable as the proceedings of Ministers are manly and ingenuous. A petition was presented on Monday from the city of Norwich in favour of Reform; it was asserted, with a view to invalidate the authority of the petition, that it contained the signatures of 14,000 persons, or three-fourths of' the whole male popula tion, which was such a proportion of the population as to throw discredit on its genuine character. The signatures were after wards counted, and, were found to amount to only 4,000—a number which we suppose Norwich might supply, of persons as capable of judging of the interests of the country, as he who thus exaggerated the numbers. Another anecdote is yet more amusing. A Noble owner of a pack of fox-hounds in the north attempted to run down our Bill instead of the animal he was in quest of; and harangued violently against it at cover_ side, asserting that Ministers never could have adopted such a measure " had they not been bribed by France!" Tally-ho, indeed, might the sportsmen have cried, when such game as that broke cover. Let us add to this statement the following speech of the Earl of Winchilsea as a specimen of calm rational, debate and sober reasoning, on this most important question of national Reform :—" An Illustrious Lady had been held up to the country as using unconstitutional means to im pede the progreis of this measure. Would to God that he knew the foul slanderer of that Illustrious female—would to God that he could discover the anonymous calumniator. If he could discover him, either that vile wretch, or the humble in dividual who then addressed their Lordships, should not stir. vive another night to utter, publish, or repeat another slander. Willingly as he should raise his arm to repel the invader of his country—willingly as he should raise it in defence of his country's rights and liberties—so willingly should he lift it against the cowardly calumniator who could attack an innocent and Illustrious lady, whose conduct in this country had been marked by the practice of every virtue, and who showed in her life an example well worthy of imitation, an example of those virtues on which a nation's happiness; might so much depend." —Tim ES. The repeats in circulation respecting the probable issue of the Reform Bill were more favourable last night than on the night before. One statement was that Ministers calculated on a small majority for the second reading ; another anticipated a prorogation on Friday next, to give time for the creation of some new Peers ; and a third ascribed to the Lords Spiritual the preponderating power by which the result of the question is likely to be determined either for or against the people. These reports, though at variance with each other, are upon the whole more propitious to the cause of Reform than the prog nostics by which they were preceded. So much for the au thority of rumour, which is always an industrious speculator in cases of importance like the present. It was not for some hours after the usual time that the vast mass of petitions, al most all of them praying for Reform, with the exception of a few hole-and-corner petitions, which prayed for the contrary, were sufficiently disposed of to make way for the adjourned debate. At length the debate was resumed- The Earl of Winchilsea attempted to reply to the masterly speech of Earl Grey, but the reply was not of a nature to excite much alarm for the fate of the Bill, so far as that fate may be supposed to depend on the comparative value of the reasoning. Lord Win chilsea's power in discussion derives its importance from a very earnest manner, a very loud voice, and a very confident tone of assumpticn, both in the way of fact and inference. His Lordship al. o possesses the exaggerating faculty of imagination to an extent not quite compatible with the exercise of sound judgment. These were small instruments with which to effect the overthrow of such a speech as Lord Grey's, and accord ingly the at' empt has only served to confirm it in the good opinion of its admirers. Lord Winchilsea repeated the com. mon-places we have so often heard during the progress of the measure. He declared himself a Reformer—but a Reformer opposed to the Bill of Reform, in which he could see nothing but revolution. In fact it was on the rotten boroughs he seemed to ro4y for the safety of the Constitution itself; for it was only by putting a little honesty here, and little knavery there, that he expected to keep up that nice balance of inte rests upon which our liberties as a nation depends. Imme diately after Lord Winchilsea sat down, Lord Harrowby got up to speak on the same side. The course, though unusual, was not unfair. Numerically speaking it was two to one but that is not always sufficient to substantiate a charge of unfainiess. The Earl of Harrowby, like the Earl of Winchilsea, thought in a very different tone and manner, contributed to substantiate, by an unavailing attack, the principles which he was in capable of controverting. But the most important feature of the debate was the speech of the Duke of Wellington, which immediately preceded the adjournment. This speech has been represented by all whom we have heard speak of it as one .of the least effective, and, we may add, the least intelligible that ever tell from hie lips since he ass a Member of Ets b, *lll4 LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING. OCTOBER 5, 1831. The discussion-on the Reform Bill was resumed last night in the House of Lords. The Earl of WINCHILSEA opposed the measure in a speech marked by intemperance and incoherency, and the Duke of WELLINGTON also professed himself its foe, though he threw out a hint—just eleven months' too late—that some sort of,Reform, might perhaps some time or other, be adopted with safety by their Lord ships. 'At if late hoar "the debate; which is not ex pected.to conclude before the end of the week, was adjourned over to this day. The grand meeting of the leading Political Union of all England, Scotland, and Ireland, which took place on Monday last at Birmingham, is one of the most eventful—the most awful signs of the times that was ever developed in any age orcountry. We request our readers to peruse and re-peruse it with the deepest attention, for the voice of the country speaks, the pulse of the country throbs, in it ; it is the mirror in which the wants, wishes, and feelings of the people are reflected; the first grand announcement of the steps they are prepared to take, of the extreme lengths they are prepared to go, should the Reform Bill be rejected by the House of Lords. Upwards of one hundred thousand calm, intrepid, and determined Englishmen, have at this meeting publicly and solemnly announced their re solution—in the event of the Peers refusing com pliance with their demands—to contribute no longer to the support of the sons and daughters of corrup tion ; in a word, to pay no taxes whatsoever ! Precisely a similar movement on the part of the people ushered in the first French revolution. At that warning period, when the storm was yet in the distance, the Nobles had it in their power to stay its nearer approach ; they refused to do so, but kept temporising and vacillating, while the tempest drew nearer and nearer, till at length it burst right above their heads, and swept them all before it. Should our British Peers be guilty of equal infatuation, we fear that ere long they will experience the same fate. They know not—they cannot know, the inten , e, the unquenchable, the undying interest that the people take in Reform, or they would not hesitate an instant in complying wi-h their just demands. But we can solemnly assure them that the elements of convulsion are gathering daily strength throughout the country ; that the national pulse beats quicker and fiercer than it has ever yet been known to do ; that men's minds are strangely unsettled ; men's arms strangely nerved, and that peace or discord, sunshine or deso lation, await their important decision. GOD grant that that decision be what it should be, just, ra tional, and tolerant ! But we confess we have our fears. We are ap prehensive that their Lordships' pride may prove too potent for their reason : and that they may resolve to dare the worst, in the hope that that worst may never come. Vain expectation I Even now the storm is brewing. At this very moment England stands on the threshold of revolution. The people are every where braced for the awful strugglebetween freedom and oppression, and wait only the signal to commence. Already Birmingham is in the field with her hundred thousand disciplined Reformers ; Leeds Manchester— Stockport—Macclesfield— Preston—Newcastle, are prepared to enlist under the same banners; and, above all, Scotland—she who never yet struck the blow for freedom that did not tell home—is again prepared to march down from her mountains in aid of the grand cause. And what will the borough mongers oppose to this tremendous oppos tion % The prayers of the Church ? Alas, they are idle here'. The energies of the Constitution ? Alas, they are ranged on the other side ! We im plore their Lordships then, by all the ties most dear o, most binding upon, man; by the respect they owe to themselves; by the affections they entertains for their kindred ; to pause while time is yet left for lete. deliberation, to decide, ere decision be yet 01 ' . T -day is their own. To-morrow is the Pee bedocjg Since writing the above, intelligeace hag Is oci us that the parishioners of Marylebo ne have slege.. have come to the resolution, in the e vent of tl" t to form Bill being defeated, of going up i" ab° ; i o bis his Majesty with an address praying h im to tetiB;,he Ministers ; and offering to form a body-aesrd Are protection of the metropolis. Other pariglie.' learn, are preparing to adopt similar resolutiot lot ie The ScOtch Reform Bill was ? roceeded es! night in Committee, on which occas ion 6° . 4 t, PALMER delivered his sentiments on the suitov and spoke with much effect of the selfish, fo ,o, nant character of the Tory oppositio n to ve lVe regret that from want of room we h al : e fr unable to give the Honourable Member's o"i' lions at length. thhise T re l c i t e uo yf it.: / t g o c a : t u r c a i s t r z i e c,.e Z ,pa e e i t, t er uno in an article d 3t , j fr o the receptto the French ßussian Ambassadorfrar"i('rs mentionst experienced, PrettYPbrret):i°d e r r s y b u a r: the lively interest professed by the F r ench P ec for the welfare of the brave Poles. W e sorry to find that the FERIER Cabinet hoar met with the affronts which its pusillanilli°lls: duct respecting Poland has so well merite° hands of Ntcnoi.As. hk:va inrd Five per Cent. Metalliques ................. VIENNA.... ...... 671 i Four per Cents. ................................................ 0 Bank Shares ................................................... ' J aye At one o'clock his MAJESTY arrived et . o f Palace, from Windsor, escorted by a P'rtY dec l , ° 9th Lancers. As the royal carriage Pr" ee at `l4 ; MAJESTY was loudly cheered, pnrrictbat l •v w het Pdrk Corner, and at the gates of the B' lace e ' et hitt vast crowds of persons had assemble d to g r a to tb' His MAJESTY took off his" hat and W the e 1°? voK populace, apparently highly pleased et • of his subjects. wfijel Shortly after his MAJESTY held a L ev -e' I was numerously attended. ; tea A Privy Council was held in the 134-"‘Tiroor 8 ber, and his MAJESTY will return to balf-paq five o'clock. o 'clQck A CAbin et Council was held at tv''B"l this forenoon at the Foreign Office. ffre OSUMI 1111W0M.M1.•=1•MEM0110111,..:._2!_......? I 0 FROM THE GAZETTE OF LA ,„ t•Ate; ST. JAMES'S PALACE SEPT. w "sty The King was this day pleased to con f e r the),' hood uTuyll, pon Colonel Baron Kn i g ht Couu" - Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order. 0 0 1 f i CROWN OFFICE, °cr. T rAWICI ,t I y MENIBERS RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRF°,;', ' re sr, (j ,t of COUNTY OF WElFORD.—llobert S!)apland Boro, in the county of Wexford, Esq., Lord L , ;; „ .. 0 0 43` said County, in the room of Arthur Chichester, .ffi , joiT' Templemore, and one of the Peers of the lin''' . ?dm Great Britain and Ireland. toP ber oted Boaounii OF NEW MALTON.—Charles ore. Esq., in the room of W. Cavendish, Esq. wh o - Chiltern Hundreds. -TEA • ALFRED GREEN, Brewer.street, BANKRUPTCIES SUPERS}%.- THOMAS JONES, Llangollen, Denbighsblre, I Ere ', BANKRUPTS. fri( l3, :. ' s lli PETER MORRIS and SIDNEY SMITE -It t e 1ev,,e7, 4 1.0' warehousemen, to surrender Oct. 7, at one, iSt! ner s. v 0 4 Nov. 15, at two, at the Court of Coninnso' ~, 3 0, Bread-street, Cheapside. Oct. I "ideocr JOHN WILLIAMS,. Liverpool, builder, __A . . . , oP Nov. IS, at one, at the Clarendon rooms, Livery - Drsoo - ; Chester, Staple-inn. Aeld, of C Sinitll,. r tif'C SAMUEL HAI, Duke-street, West „ coo ~,,, Oct. 7, at eleven, 14, and Nov. 15, at ten, at th...„,,tri. , Jew ~trek ' T " missioners. Hindmarsh and Son, Crescent, , 0 0, 0 plegate. t .Cr with Harrog 3 c i the o del l, BENJAMIN HORNER, Bilton ~,, a t g cabinet-maker, Oct. 13, 14, and Nov. 15, at der , ~.0) • .t Inn, Knaresborough. Spence, Tavistock-street, ' 1 ' t '',, , ()col* Stubbs, Knaresborough. ~a l o, t co, SAMUEL TEBBUT, Islington, wine-Mer.,:,,,t of sV twelve. 14, and Nov. 15, at eleven, at the Coo.; treeti4l sioners. Browning, Hatton-court, Threadneed le 31), o , ' d• JOHN DA WS, WILLIAM DA WS, ana,,,,i,1 1, .13 , ,, A , DAM'S, Lenton, Nottinghamshire, bleachers, " - !WI" Nov. 16, at eleven, at the May-pole Inn, Notl 3 ces shaw, Nottingham; Foster, Lawrence PountnrY - Pin*cO, SUPERSEL-tailor• ceper, Al' ) SHIPPING INTELIAGENCE:-CrIIIS o. 011011, FROM LOYD'S. n • DEAL, OCT. 4.—The following L v essels Were d, ri u le ustr,s, St. Vincent's during the hurricane on the Ilth • n t ot 0 4 v o Ward, Moore, bound to Loudon, ship and ; Agenia, Brown, from Greenock ; Orleans, " - froO l ociji mond, Stanley, from Quebec ; Emerald,- .• - r . „ent , Barbadoes packet, from Newfoundland ; l)°';ce, from Bermuda ; Neptune, Hughes from Trip..: 0 • 00 onl it s from Yarmouth ; Henry Clay, Elizabeth, Cd,),, re nao , ,,, P e w? Fletcher, bound to Quebec ; Thetis sloop, of Aur,e' i de, s o.. following belonging to St. Vincent ;—Schooml, Adcore,sll,iis Emily, Secta. Union, and Zephyr ; sloope, Arie,:i„entiinner," patch, Euris Fanny, Lady of the Isles, Ladv,„'','„ i tsh ° ' Susannah, iriangle, and William 111‘ Caul. I t , cattle on board, went down. rou -i ja• , The above accounts from St. Vincent, were orc0.0•0 tie Goderich, which sailed on the 15th August, v ia ...-A r '• c h, DEAL, Om 4.—Wind W.S. W. moderalei3,(l,o Calebangus Whittle, from Honduras ; Lo r .itt . 'osota r , bent', from 'Grenada ; and Ann, Wise, front °", e tt, t' from the River and remains, the Marshall, De til iod th in': cf PORTSMOUTH, Om 4. Wind f• rno i t i, ,o‘i transport, from Fernando Po ; Gabriele, Sou,„teo FALMOUTH, OCT. 3.—Wind and Captain Cook, Stewart, from London to t ag • Dr' , ic „L; th s' e ti" de pt squally.—Off port, the Herald, from Alexarm r ";,, fro , '" or nmd BRISTOL, ARA.r f c i roc . m.r 4 — G4. e i n r oaA r ir.vire the4.—Arrived off fr Africa, ye' A „pre Astp, a L fd Quebec ; Jackson, Williamson, from Vae saa; );et, pa Crocker, from Malaga. ,„„ a t r ac DOVER, OCT. 4.—Arrived off port, the ceval, from Cadiz. c° :pee flop ' (ABERDEEN, OcT. 2.—The gale of yesterust,' 0 1 . abated, and owing to the tremendous sea on the coot° suffered considerably. TOO 019 0° ' COWES,OcT.4.—Arrivedthe\ereus,Ba s la TOPSHAM, Oct. 4.—Arrived the Aimwe" Oporto. ----. Al t .) fi THE FUNDS.—(THIS I) °°llstj nsC i._itA CITY, TIVEL 14;iriticetilde'' d o e ls. b , a w te h s ic o h n t el h eeto. e ftBo.34B ß oi i 3Rir l i o 7,T rm ., Is", 3FlFy:oudusiir:Disoci jocednest,;;:cisi.; Ft.4:04;v34.0e, The only arrival of consequence is from ';•7ause d c° brings accounts of a storm there which has - 0 11/4 _, damage to the shipping. iren - 1 0 ;" their hceo , An s s i e. nce which anxiety of the public in regard to the final 1 0 " ' ,0 11 a number of reports are afloat which are onlY iv tile - o3Phpliedners „ , r , for f oii i . Bank Stock, shut Cent , vi yesterday ystaitliBo74l::: ~ 34, per t• ".c,„A,... India ditto Nothing but the Reform they have null -3 per Ditto, Cent. Red. - ExchequeirAs .5 i da y 0 .10 1 question h e ii pe lt r ing City, and Dutch the present 'boor we have,:,',. it O r ` ec eiv o , of news. The steamer has not yet arri v v iouslYoo 3° any later information from Poland than Pr c a ce' ,IsY , the Hamburg steamer, but may communicate of the ot, the armistice between Holland and Belgin iv Pa ° 0 A c C ti t o Consols, which were looking up in the 0,T,.1.0 ]vas going and done at 81!, have since receded to 8 " ging owing to a Stock Exchange report that the ,L ( 14 , the House to prorogue Parliament. ''''.- ° Kona question is the 01, , -' o ° Ezo. , ,q t o 1 6 , 1 0 In the Foreign Mar et nothing doing ;e n 0 , 0 3 ',-,0- 0 ; lIALF.PAST " -- ,3 i nt :: ; : tt ' The Dutch steamer has just arrived an„ t otc• ii i e A. l ' l lll , that the Polish army in Gallicia to the l':‘, the Oder. 12,000 men, have laid down their ' arrns t 3 '. Of t '' 1 6 Prussia has given orders to disband the 010 n , CL °C Dutch Funds have fallen. *! ~ 71 1 - o`. NG P I ~.... , Console, aB ei FOURlionDAByitOrtetos..t.:..eL:O=CX.—oo:oo:.....ll:: 1 1 ' • 113 '''''' Consols Sak pa w rgis.'" 0 • .....° Ditto for Account SI G 1 ' 16 2 ''' ...... , Met' z, • Brazilian Bonds 44 iito ••'. 011 on ' V ..... .•• • Columbian, 1824 z_...... - 21,., n1 ..••••••' D Am YOB' E i I Dr E ,AI3 : ;as I y : Pr O O.L. N ..L... 0 . A. . .F . i. . . ... . I . : . °. ...... I 3 .. .. . : .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 1 ; h:2 • / vs DAY.) he 114 Th l e 'h u is e c f o o n rin te e s r t s d h r a a v w e s g t o i sr a ,a r i r , : e : . . , : t e , : acsw : T i or m f hLao r ° : t ri r l! w r h t , a c;7l : : 1 ist: 0 1.411 g t i 0 C OCIC Alderman Thorpe ................. ~......•••••••• O r Sir Peter Laurie ................... ,u . t The Lord Mayor and Alderm IS 4 a.head, the day's poll now i 5...................... ...................... 174 The Lord Mayor .......................... .... „.„ Alderman Thorpe ................................ pp Sir Peter Laurie ...................... 0 4 GROSS Fol.', ... . ....... The Lord Mayor ..................................... .11, rev, Alderman Thorpe .. ............................. over sir I Sir Peter Laurie ............... ~!! . ! ..... a ..... OCK. onftl THREE O'CL ... -• ~ ........... ;$ l . The Lord Mayor ................................ o_, Alderman Thorpe . ................................. ia Sir Peter Laurie .......................... whichl, ghievicisa:nuoiacjobraiit,ycetooArrleddeurnelianng.lno7. I ,aa SS PRINTED AND PUBLISHED BY 1141.111.1)0 Surf OFFICEII2, Sraviv, P ARES T in T URN ER E dinbur g h sATuRL VA/ Qs Chief c: Goode a l gent ci gr eet, and and ever Li. Unde r street . N. o r r tit acc _coP t w hich ° „ 1 out also e c, ( , :rd „f v ne te' I„d in rat 'd I of th g , ou ''th Quesactualt h e ( i l oco "g' 'Ari es net . Of b, teli n „ Rierlt; 110 1 S 414 that House of Parliament. Every body knows that the Dukc is no orator; but he is a man of spirit and decision, though neither of these qualities shone very conspicuously in his anti- Reform speech of last night. One thing, however, did appear, and that was, that the speech of last night was less anti-Reform than the celebrated one which took place before the downfal of his Administration. He, too, like the rest of them, dealt in large assumptions. He assumed all along that the people would rush into wild democracy the moment the Bill was passed ; and, without even condescending to prove by what ne cessity that consequence was to follow, he satisfied himself by repeating the consequence, and denouncing the Reform Bill as the cause. Our readers will find much matter for speculation in the speech of the Noble Duke; and we would refer them particularly to the version which he gave of his own remarkable declaration against all Reform, when the people took the alarm and the Administration happily fell to pieces. —MORNING HERALD. CORNWALL MEETING. The requisition for a county meeting, which has ken circulating through Cornwall, received, in the course of a very few days, twelre hundred and fifty one signatures. In the meantime, however, " the Bill" having been sent up to the House of Lords, it was found impracticable to assemble the county before the day fixed for its second reading. A petition was therefore at once substituted in lieu of the requisition, and (after receiving more that six thousand signatures in less than four days) was on Satur day last forwarded to Earl Grey for presentation. Amongst those who &gned the petition are all the resident Baronets (four), upwards of forty magistrates and gentlemen in the commission of the peace, a great number of clergy, gen tlemen, and merchants, and thousands of the most re spectable yeomanry and tradesmen of the county. The number of freeholders in Cornwall amounts to about four thousand, out of which considerably more than three thousand have signed the petition. Should the House of Lords unhappily reject the Bill, see tremble at the conse quences. The agitation every where in Devonshire and Cornwall will be dreadful. PRICKS or THE STOCKS Bank Stock 3 per Cent. Red 3 per Cent. Cons. ... SO4 1 SO% 3% per Cent. shut Ditto Red shut New 3%per Cent 88%3‘ 3 per Cent Ann. 1726 - 4 per Cent. 1826 Bank Long Ana to expire Jan 5, 1866 shut Oct. 10, 1859 Jan. 5, 1860 16% Jan. 5, 1880 April 5, 1880 Jan. 5, 1870....... - DAY AT 0/43 O'CLOCK. .i , T RV7 5 per Cent. ...... — India Stock • Ditto Bonds' South Sea Stock Old Annuities.... ......... New Ditto — :1 per Cent. Ann. 1751 Ex. Bills, 21,000 8 7 pm Ditto ... 500 "7 9pm Ditto Small . . .B 10 pie Ditto Commercial pm Ditto Advertised — [in. Bank for Opening .... 196 India for Account Cons. for Oct. 13...50N 1% 80S PRICES OF FOREIGN FUNDS THIS DAT AT uNZ o'CLOcIt Austrian Bonds 'Neapolitan Brazilian Bonds — Periiviau Bonds ..... ........ Br nos Ayres Borlsis ..... Chili= Bonds — Prussian, Old Colombian Bonds — Ditto, New Ditto, 1894 Danish - Greek Bends — 12 1134 Cato, 1825 — 'French Rentes, sp. C. —t. Guatimala.... - Exchange —L —c. Ilexican Bo nds — 3 per cent —l. 1/itto. 1825 —• — Exchange —f. -- THE THAMES TUNNEL, NEAR ROTHERHITHE CHU RCH, AND OPPOSITE THE END OF OLD GRAVEL.LANE, ON THE WAPPING SIDE OF THE RIVER. NOTICE is hereby given, that the Public L , may view the Tunnel every day, (Sundays excepted) from Eight in the Morning until Sven in the Evening, upon payment of One Shilling for each Person. The Tunnel is lighted with Gas, is dry and warm, and the descent is by a safe and easy Staircase. By Order, JAMES BIRKETT, Clerk to the Company. Walbrook•buildings, Sept. 29, 18:31.