The Sun. — London, England, 1831-08-13 00:00:00

~~~~ / ///// ~ ~ / ~ L ~/~ ~ K/ 'i Y _ 7 , 1 ■ IS DAY.) ;E. eck arc moderate: linuing to be 65 dull, and 3 1 °' Itgrins, and Pease 1411 ale; btitrang remain: T.:Attic° Oats. I f ' 4,753 qrs.( 4 , 041 6,781 KET. hi, and in great P b ,,J,° l with Lamb ef, Mutton, Vesll,o Mulch Ccnvs, lull sale, at thrg.4 horns, with thei r, ok upwards. INK THI OFFA I ' S ; , cf.:Ot amps. 0 0 n,?.11 ditto... 4 rs ,se Calves 1 .1 44 nail ditto... 4 5 Logs 1 4 orkers 4 0 A r Calves 12:. toliS,„ old l'igs I2s. to I S 4. ` CAT EN( ENT. Ives. I fir' 1 . 3 1 J a4---' LL MARKET S ' rcasa. o' d. l ° , 3 4 3 4 ;o ss. (id. O'CLOCK ) S.—Business has, "! holders having The sales in the 100 hhds. The re firth from 41is. . being a shads! ;Lod 475. to rils.ron dull of sale, as, 30s. per cwt. fora sales yesterday litticulty. In el', we been offered• ne strong grey bi o litto 435. to 445. a Manilla and Call as been good, rciu t all lump. are at t crashing 3•2 d. 6d* ved in British run, alities are hea.q]d! lower; Bra V) a n 435. are paid for ,0 1 ng Jamaicas are 64 ne fine ordinary ar 38s. ; Mocha '- ti6s. to 68s. 6d. t ° prices from IL to do od deal has beloni very brisk at 4d. per lb. 'e also in gooa," slack, the sP" tent'urgli ha I. 6d. per cwt• 6. ot off at abou f from Sussex - 0 , rement, but Al, 9f is expected to ten 1 1 duty has fal' begin ArlY.. tedto begglle —Ditto bags 105. 0 , I It IN( Oats. H. 6. to 6. 2O 2.5 22 26 22 21 24 20 23 24 30 21 03 24 31 24 29 25 30 2'2 i 8 25 3 2 24 % '.—Aug. 60g• to, tO, .• • 00000 •••• 5 to Eng. 14 , i• MI,. to ; , * 5. ,' Igo, to ANG E. —Avg• 6.1. 11 8 9 7 6 6 9 7 0 q 6 451 b a () 3 0 6 littler 36 0 4 0 3 1 0 4'2 6 40 0 40 40 0 35 0 45 0 , 43 v s. 0 g 1 ° 11 6 s II 5, k ending Avg' it lour. II nsh, &c. 1,261 HIS DAY•) VE O'C-- t at ft Brussels and f t r ie. In the fist' in four divisifie 1g to the the a 'A e r tan army, nrs' o f of the KIDS poi I-quarters to 11 ,t; ,übt would he t o f the a ssistance ic -of the wil ° i 3On. to his arinL or ral of the 140,4., ilities have ins, and neV oi 'o iticians this jo French arMY , soon as is I ,II AI he citadel of on Dutch will the speculat°' s. 814 7;, fa 10 present the) lence. ,er Cent. Re d ' ,er Cent. tic ,3261 r per Cent. a Bonds, lu , r hequer PiO s ' N s. .ek, 19 21 xican, S 7 4 avian,l o tugueEe, 457 v .1 is an, 6sl an, 91 wish, 1:2 3 / 4 '0 EF- PA anciro of Witt; were afraid ,roe. the whites. op used at Bio, b r ..p is morning, o tscovery to tt l e of bo ice of mosta' ng the ice " 1 , a t which d oll le or nothing v )SING P fIIJ ,nish ...... vek, 162 /i rtivian . ••••• • " .. • tss ...... ." ........ d S and C 311 .111 of 10, °° t ,; l , g for its °, ove r, °' :he 850 1 : j c,;, r of ceto r or of • ~.ifec of e hy, the n'-land i VIDO , Lc) WHEAT, OATMEAL, AND PEAS. • VT Tlrv." i •C rUALLING-OFFICE, Attu. 8, 1831. HE Commi ss i oners f or Victualling His Majesty's N ary, & c. d o h ere b y g i ve no ti ce , that on T e ?AY, the 15th inst., they will b treat foe ready to receive ef the f '° Writing (sealed up), and treat for the supply n Vi L , ef ' l . l " , ing Articles, to be delivered into his Majesty's 4a, "lng Stores at Deptford, viz. Articl e . Quantity. • ,Period of,dclivery. t , Nvu Ono t half. tlioreof .by the o;TQuarer:instant, and the - u (_ September next. ne-lf of each the 1); ME AL 5O Tons O sth ha by September next, ..s ..................... Sa m the 2:it h of that month. - -pies of each of the above-mentlined articles inust ti e Produced by the pirty tendering, and the Conditions of lereeutraets may be seen at this Office. a , d -a i ell Tender must specify the price in words at length, and ` ) ,e delivered before One o'clock tie appointed, heron whb tiier, or some Person on Must attend to answer when called for. M. WALLER CLIFTON. DOVE-STIIEET. Lra - R. bucie's Mansion, with superior Stabling and Offices opening; into Berkeley-street. *I. EDWARD FosTER has the honour (l e very ropecifllll'i to actniint the Nobility and Tv n try he Will SELL by AUCTION, on the Premises, on tu Es oAy, the 23d o f A ugust , at T we l ve o ' c l oc k, t h e sin e FREEHOLD MANSION, No. 36, on the West th e nf Dover -str ee t, th e p ro p er ty a nd lat e reside n ce of ' Right Hon, Lord Ducie, occupying a large plot of ,I°ltiod, extendi ng f ront D over - street to Berkeley -street, p ro ` : 110 1 enlarg e d, re p a i re d, an d b e a u tified by the Nobl e ea h Priet °r• The i n t er io r a r rangements will be readily b, e - P r 'lltrided in the single remark, that a due regard has r had to the perfect aecommodation of a family of high p a a ?k, with a numerous suite ofattendants, and the ptinci andrlZl'„; hall, awl staircase being . at once spacious, lofty, terr a . °*, presmt ample capabilities for conducting en -I.44l?toents On a splendid and extensive scale. The 4 41 1 ( 4 " of this property is fully established in the first fl uo ( 4 fashi ona b le favour, and eulogy i s ren d ere d super b:ll the f act o f t h e w h o l e i mme di ate ne i g hb our h oo d tle rt - a t g_ thickly stu d ded w i th no bl e an d di st i ngu i s hed res i - R '• The b ac k f ront comman d s th e d e li g htf u l ple a sur e A r t: ndl of his Grace the Duke of Devonshire and. the %tip t .,. ll : 4 '' of Lansdowne. The stables are of a very e o4 7 . 'r character, opening into Berkeley-street, with ii r ,:'houses and Offices. The land-tax is redeemed, and liediate Possession may be had. deee ay be viewed by tickets until the Sale, which, with gnd iP t lye particulars, may be bad of Messrs. Harrison ~`lUar enact , Gray's I n n ; of Marshall, upholsterer, Soho aud at Mr. Foster's offices, 14, Greek-street, -man . • On the same day will he sold, in Lots, all the re - Ir 'g Househ o ld F urn i ture and effects. iIIiERIAL PARLIAMENT (THIS DAY). ROUSE OF COMMONS. t h. A shoat s em. Half-past Twelve o'dlock the SPEAKER took ' '‘‘- , SS , rose to present a petition, numerously and ; of the loss of so Signed ' from some part of Scotland, complain much of the time of this House by the la rl i v l °l° l's and vexatious opposition to the progress of the 6Q he I) ' t R • EAKER put it to the Hon. Member whether "fat e d '" not perceive that enough of the petition had been ti o to SIIOW that it ought not to be presented to the 411,45e*--(Hear, hear.) He put it to the House, once for teft lylietlier it would not be better for Hon. Members to tai u , Prot atteinp•ing to present petitions t which con- Aj that should not be used in this House. in g t ; LIOSS consented to withdraw the petit ion,. obser h v . - dut, „ at , b eing but a young Member he thought it was 4,,," ) l aY it before the House. The Hon. Member then t s rz.au-;4"1 petition from the gentry, ship-owners, 84 c- t o o l . ti 4 Bangor, and Carnarvon, praying the Hou se th peal e duti es of marine insurances. Ordered to be on Ai vetted i t u'e and t o be printed. r. Cl. l l°E:E lt referred to two letters which he hadad aetird ii ° •a ht evening in the discussion respecting Belgium and stated that a misunderstanding was abroad thost'e ifters from whence he derived the contents of tv inletters. x, beg g ed to state, that one of them he Be In „t,1,1,e, ''' ' ` an clard,altd the other in the Morning Post. - obtair,"l"°"eil this, because as every thing in this House m enu g l e , t publicity it was desirable that no mis.state lki be fna.'e ou 9 t of doors.. • to iffriii4O'CONNELL admitted that every thing relating t o IN d was correctly reported, but the affairs relating Ai r. 4l ' s , d d id not obt ain equa l pu bli c ity. v e ,. 41 • utY NT observ e d th at a j ourna l th a t bad been se (At t Crol im es mention e d b y t h e Ri g ht Hon. Gentle ,o m , r phut • ier,) la s t even i ng, h a d to- d ay retu rned t h e , eh t by givi ng t h e Right Hon. Gent l eman cre dit . for ~e " st cand our an d " all that sort of th i ng ." hest petition w as or d ere d to b e pr i n t e d. .11,i 'lr • HUNT ro se to present a pet i t i on f rom the town th?P of Sutton, i n th e county of C h ester , against the Corn .8 . The Honourable Member said it was one of '3 petition s w hi c h i t was his intention to have pre ,.4lted Lest night, b ut upon pre,enting one of them it ''S rejected. H e s h ould not lead this petition but leave 4 1 ) . improper lan guage, i f any there was, to be picked out 'Y the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Altborp) or the Hon. ' , fiber for. Oxford (Sir R. Inglis). His own opinion a,, that the petition was respectfully worded. It was ,tie, • jig language but not offensive. ji g IL INGLIS begged to say, it was the duty of every !ibber who intended to present a petition, to be able to at ud there himself and to satisfy this House, if necessary, that Aft'lver" nothing unbecoming in its language. H AR a feve words from Lord ALTHORP, Mr. D. W. aa t i v !lti and Sir C. BURRELL, the petition was read ilPuere.d to lie on the table. 4114' HUNT then presented a petition from two parishes au theeliester to the same e ff ect. It was ordered to lie k; . ,,tahle. zttie,„ CUNT said, if the question of the Cons Laws . was not ou st j the Motion which it was his intention to submit to the oflng the subject, he should immediately the day f loatdisiZilOatter before the House in another shape. lie _ hon of the House was such, th 4 hismotio_p_wo s u e l e ci e n n Oteot large majority. A large majority of that Hou - '4Tepit,`.:l extensive landowners, 'who thought the question ofThat, 4 4 4 3 ,1. 5 i-1 J) their rents depended upon it.—(Cries of " No.") du'nTher p was Ms opinion on the subject. The HonO „ t eed . t.t..r Wiltshire had said that wages would then b u ; a a b r n e l hodM .Hunt's) opinion was very _diff t e e r se • , iot a . ti e L enn y , Petitions to present, he wool i ct cs t Wi l weid the Honourable Member or opinions.- I, 4 „ts io 2 s tyind the original petition from the county of tced th .5, signed by 21,000 individuals, when that Bill had lt Pro e , CoMmons, appealing to the House of L Aad them from the rapacity of the Commons. 4 il iyi e for -0 * been brought back to him, an • after o„ to h. certain time in the musty cellars of the Ho . use w 141 for half • a curiosity.—The petition was Ale red to be tinted' "'an n ?I‘ tii n er inati Nkt o . beer-venders j' r th,. 4 cest er r presented peti m ti i oAf t rom not b e e interrupted 'ltttbali',,t6„rades; lisaoyalug that from tey the inhabitant householders t' ;4". hip favour favour of petit ion theßr Bill. tq • l• 'sr presented a petition from the High-Sheriff as a s n e d s 4.sti„ e - r y of the county of Flint, against the use of Mol C(47,4pd breweries. 411(iThScotia4ENAY moved for a retuns oillpensions subsist e_ ‘ and Ireland in Nov. 1830, stating their amount Alli JAIME wnen they werepanted. atra.- Words from Mr. Huriv, ta kl lige al 8 Wished to make a few observations respecting the to t erst e Lnts for the ensuin Coronation. That ceremonial, he tl o ,now - had aheady !len agreed upon ; and he wished he ~e rn iti4,ll l his Majesty's Ministers, what sum of money tre,Jcits,B3 ~intended to expend upon_ it. He tp_stehe_o ' O l4 r tior e ,; ° t . Stating that it would in his opinion have s m be: re !'"ltioe, r °Per, much more Parliamentary, and much ti, ti ;nad c a 4., that Government, before fixing upon the cerem - NrlZ'Ofit i'n e down to that House, and inquired of the the ex. 'hat PeoPle whether it was their wish to go into the ex -I.;voukt n attend on the Corona(Cries of " Oh, 1 1, 44 Mernbers differed in opinion from s him, him . , they 7010,:ed, to s t n . °Pportunity of stating it. He had heard it sys L n l 1 2 „, a ' tho's", n d 00 ,000/. on that ceremony; and if that were he asoc. les s ~cou n try might expect that the real cost would Pso a :flan l 2 0,00(V. He recollected that the original tu4e ioriner Coronation was 100,00 W., and the total ex 4lou'n4--thfi°unled to no less a sum than nearly one quarter of a tor , e exact sum bein 23£4,000/. The hire of the jewels ult'ulting into the g Crown cost the country 65,0001. %1 0, eh r e kept for four ears at' an annual expense ot ten it aI, W OUId 4 "ged by hlessrs y . Rundell and Bridg_e. Now he, for c3---peiclitsasra,Yl,teha there i was no necessity etefre fo r r d ahiCsor3oina Majesty *l t , " .!' ( '', , h 4 uZY r , as it-e n h:dhe lt ard ve i r t stated, of creating f fi o fty __new Peers in ,, order d to th igss Re he should e not "Hear, hear' ,—a eqal see the th - a io rgier) But his Majesty n had now full pos. 4,,ke of ur "f Y. or sa—nctei had , taken the oaths, and no addi eq ired to insure the dis te4"lal ts . ItnPortant P u u ncL as ns. r In u ancient times such a ti the ~_loight have b hialt aoe ce oarch necessary as a solemn compact be his people. But those days had passed ‘t lace uoh ceremony was now requisite. He believed 9 11, 1 hjtl', i c e. 40 t wish that any such costly ceremony should tt.o a ti , og b ut bib_resent Majesty was not like the late t Ki o r r if d lc i i l n g d e :NOlti t g ,p,Slls 4 , w.".t._--(Lnesof no, no.) felt sorry toulehty v iri to e ii t 'eu respect to the late King wh"hwas not tip_ ksdso ' Ilent,, but it was amatterof history lc that his late t o 1%1, 4 his s prese nad so good an opinion ofthe sense and stro_ng .ife t t t t i • 11 Majesty as to feel certain that pomp and display A th • e lov, a • fly his conduct on the Reform Bill he had sti y , e.av of affection of his subjects and he thought he t.. l 2,!bad his Majesty, as had been said of Alfred, ' 4 4l' his 'e tvtu - " l 'eti a reputation which would never decay, o x ,est, Pr a i se an English heart to feel, oran English tongue to toi ; 'le could not bring himself to believ but that his , 'Mich sympathy for his people to c ut them to 1c,',,444,.1).'1i5t,1nVtV pageant. He thought, therefore, h_i n ,_"'Joi ti v'sed . e Were not altogether -unworthy of blame: , , :o t ,wh at say °Whation in the present state of the count t/ i4t o e_a o ll t Y thing further, but merely conclude by ask. Herey. svas . proposed e79end at_ the e pr m es e v to t ' y 4 110 a 5 0.31,_ff his Majesty s Ministers had o .14 avi the money, It would have been much _ _-_-_-_.- _ . -7 -- _.•e-- %,,„--- _., ~---7- -, --e----t-.. .. ~„ ••. 4 4 _.,„ • A , . - . _ -,- •:.._ , . 0 • • , ~,,, , 70 \. ----- 'il . . (-•:. .' ~, !:/ \\ , , • ..r. ~, \ 4 ~,,.. ..„ , ,, ., ..7 .. c..„ 0 i . .> : • - i% \ , k. - ~...v r ...„ . , , ~. .c.,,, .:- . Ai'',‘ ( . , . kf : i4.) •• , .. X. ' , ' f .. s e,s'' r., . 4V * Vi N 2,_ . ' ,, ,,,,, : ,,. : :,,y -,4 •r - ).' -,,, i ...1 , 1: A ..,' 4:1 . .., .."),41c ..... il -- ir.ill, Ili . - ...- _ -, • 'l l 441 1 3 ) W;;'''..."'.'4l No. 12,141. PRICE 7D. more constitutional, than calling on the country afterwards to pay the debt. Lord ALTHORP said that it would have been unconstitu tional to have taken the ' , pinion of Aliellousg +ipon the sum to be expOidecil . as that wqs oup of the prerogatives of the Crown. hear:) The }Too. Oentliftnan had also Said ;.lie Corona tion ought not to take place, the King having takeft the oaths, in that fact the Hon. Member was mistaken ; the King had not taken the oaths which by the Act of Parliament were fixed to be taken at the Coronation, and it was therefore essentially necessary that that important ceremony should take place. With regard to the expense of the late Coronation, he (Lord Althorp) agreed with the Hon. Member, that the hire of the jewels was extremely extravagant. At the present moment it was impossible for him to give any definitive answer to the Hon. Member, but this he would say that he was • perfectly satisfied the expense of the present Coronation tould hot be more, than one-fifth of the c*l 4 cne of Rif', last. SHear, hear.) He. trtisted that in formation would be satisfactory to the Hon; Wmber and the House. Mr. JAMES having received an answer to his first question, wished to put another, which was, whether there was to be any accommodation for the Members of the present House at the Coronation. In doing so he begged to state he was not aware of any necessity for his Majsty to take any further oath than that which he had already done. Lord Althorp made no answer. Mr. GILION deprecated such questions lacing asked as the House was at present constituted ; and thought that the Mi nisters would have questions relating to expenses much inure properly-put to them by a reformed House of Commons, when the Manse would he cleansed of the dross which now en cumbered it.—(Ci ies of Hear, and Oh !") Mr. HUNT said he could see no Members in that House who were the representatives of the people except the Hon. - Member for Preston (Mr. John Wood,) and himself.—(Laughter.) With regard to the Coronation he could not but observe, that when the Honourable Member fur Carlisle (Mr. W. James,) was blaming the late King for his extravagance he was called to order ; but when he praised the present King nothing of that kind took place. He wished to know whether the present King .vvas not as much attached to the Wellington Administration when it was in existence as he now was to the present Adminis tration.—(Cries of hear, and oh.) • Sir 11. HARDINnE would not say whether his present Ma jesty was more or less attached to the late or present Admini stration, but he boged to observe, in answer to the observa tions made by an hidnourable Member (Mr. Gillon), that such ' pert "and flippant remarks would always meet with his most utter contempt.—(Cheers from the Opposition.) He was as much an independent Member of this House NOW, that he sat for what was called a nomination borough, as he was when he sat for the city of Durham —(Hear, hear.) The Marquis of CHANDOS wished to know, what was the in tention of his Majesty's Ministers with regard to sitting of the House at the time of the Coronation, and whether there was to t:e any and what adjournment. If answering the question was at present inconvenient to the Noble Lord (Althorp) he should not press it. Lord ALTHORP said it was impossible for him, at the pre sent moment, to answer that question. Mr. O'CONNELL hoped that by that period the House would have arrived at the Irish Reform Bill, and that there would be as little delay as possible. The House then resolved itself-into a Committee on the Re form Bill. Mr. BERNAL in the Chair. The CHAIRMAN then rose to put the first question "clause 13, that the following counties return three Members each, viz., Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Cambridgeshire, Dorsetshire, and Herefordsh ire." Mr. BANKES said he did not intend to propose an additional Member for the county with which he was connected (Dorset shire) ; any boon that was offered he would accept ; but at the same time that he accepted it he could not refrain from snaking a few observations upon the principle which had • actuated his Majesty's Ministers in granting four Members for the county of Cumberland, while they only granted three to the county of Dorset. The Hon. Member stated, that from lists of the population, and of the ten-pound houses in each of the counties, and in each of the represented and un represented plaoes in those counties, it was clear that although Cumberland contained rather more persons, still in point of wealth, in the number of the le/. houses, and even of those above 401. a year, the county of Dorset had considerably the pre-eminence. The House would be surprised to learn those facts- and then to see that it was only intended to give Dorsetshire three Members, while a county inferior in importance and wealth was allowed four Members. Dorset was, in filet, theonly county that made out a case of gross injustice ; even according to the principles which had been laid down by his Majesty's Ministers.—(Hear.) He was aware that there might be some difficulties; but he did not, standing on the side of the House on which he stood, feel himself under the necessity of always pro viding a remedy for the evils that might present them selves in the course of this debate. It was for those who were speculating in the introduction of the plans to propose remedies necessary for subverting the ills which without those remedies would naturally arise. Sir JAMES GRAHAM did not think the Hon. Gentle man had acted fairly in selecting Cumberland on the present occasion, to make a contrast with the state of Dorsetshire. He however did not think the lion. Member was actuated by in vidious motives in his selection, although he had made some painful reflections on his Majesty's Ministers, which would have amounted, if expressed in plainer terms, to a broad charge of par tiality. The reason why the Hon. Gentleman had compared Corn- berland with Dorset probably was that Dorset was the larger county, to which three Members were proposed to be given, and Cum berland the smallest to which four Members were proposed to be given. The Honourable Gentleman had not stated the case so fairly as he might have done. The population he had given were undoubtedly correct ; but he had omitted to state what were the number of Memers to be returned from the counties respectively.—(Hear.) It would appear that Cumberland under the proposed measure would return eight and the county of Dorset eleven, even after the alteration of four Members for the county of Cumberland, and three for the county of Dorset. In this way Cumberland will return only one Member for 19,000 inhabitants, and Dorset one for every 13,0 0. —(Loud cheers.) It would be impossible for the Hon. Member to deny this short statement, and he (Sir James) was confident that it would relieve the Government from any charge, directly or indirectly, of partiality towards Cumberland. Mr. BANKES regretted that the Right Hon. Gentleman had takes no notice whatever of one part of his (Mr. Bankes's) state ment, namely, that which related to the comparative wealth of the two counties. Colonel SIBTHORPE said as he had been alluded to by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite as being a good driver, he congratulated himself that he was not the driver or the leader of his Majesty's Ministers—if he were he should drive them in a different way to the one they were taking. Had he only the whip hand of them, though he was sure they would form an extremely awkward team, yet he should use his utmost efforts in turning them into a dittbrent road than the one they were taking.—(Much laughter.) He felt it his duty without any sort of delicacy, broadly to charge his Majesty's Mi nisters with having acted partially. The Gallant Colonel then made an observation which could not be heard, complaining of a misrepresentation by the Press of what he had stated last night. Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS was sick of hearing the giving of Members to this and to that county talked of as a boon. The ob ject of the House ought to be to consider how the representation could be made in the most convenient and proper way. When he heard Hon. and Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite talk of this county having 11 Members, another 10, another eight, and so on, he could not help turning his attention to Wales, where in many parts there was only one Member returned for a whole county. This, however, was not the way to model the representation in such a manner as to be very satisfactory to people hereafter. Looking at the population generally, he thought his Majesty's Ministers act much more wisely in giving a second Member to some of the Welch counties rather than thrusting a-third or a fourth Member on more of the English counties, which were already very well represented in Parliament. To Scotland was given by the Bill a much larger constituency than any other part of the kingdom, and yet, the most con fined representation. It was five times more confined than any part of England. Progress had been made in every department of Scotland ; Members from that quarter would be an important accession to the House, but both Scotland and Wales being at a distance from the metropolis, and their Mem bers not likely to have so much influence as those near at hand, their interests had in a great measure been overlooked. Mr. STUART WORTLEY said the claims of Scotland to an additional representation were very strong. But as he thought those claims might more efficiently be urged under a subsequent part of this Bill, he would reserve his arguments in its favour till that part of the Bill came before the Committee. As to one part of the arrangements contained in the clause under consideration, he would observe, if the House proceeded by the rule of population, the only just way of distributing population in the counties, was to deduct from them that portion of popula tion in the representation already provided for. Upon this principle, as well as upon the test of wealth derived from the amount of the 101. householders, Buckingham had a stronger claim than Dorset to the privilege held out by the clause. Mr. GILLON thought it desirable that some additional re presentation; should be given to Scotland, and that might be done without spoliating England of it, present representatives. He cordially concurred with the Chancellor of the Exchequer, a boon of fifty Members was given to Scotland, because, in truth, that part of the country had never before been represented. He would support this clause because it put an end to compromise. The Marquis of CHANDOS wished to see the Welsh and Scotch representation increased, and suggested the propriety of throwing over the third Members of counties and distributing them in Scotland and Wales. He consider:Al the no borough - represented the feelings of the people in the county of Buckingham more truly than the boroK,n of Great Marlow did, and he could not see why it was not entitled to have two Members as well as the borough of Wycombe: He conside, ed that Ministers were doing no good by giving the county of Buckingham three Members, which he firmly believed would be the means of creating continual contests, and would prevent the real opinion of the freeholders being known. He objected, therefore, to the grant of his Majesty's Ministers to Buckingham of an a ddi t i onal Member, and trusted that the Noble Lord (John Russell) would give additional Members to Wales and Scotland. He thought that the present Members for Buckingham sufficiently repre sented the county. Lord A LTHORP observed that with respect to the present clause he considered the Noble Lord was arguing against him_ self. It was difficult to say what was the amount of representa tion that should be allotted to particular counties. But the Mem bers for boroughs under the present Bill would be more likely to represent the interests of the counties than under the system of representation as now existing. In arranging the number G over nment had taken their int eres t s i nto c o o f n c s o iNe n r t a y ti 3em o i ns b e e p r a ' Ately from those of boroughs. He (Lord Althorp) did not lay much stress on the cases brought forward, nor, indeed, could he see how the consequences referred to by the Noble Lord, would result from the present measure. The Marquis of CHANDOS felt no doubt of its having the effect he had stated, and briefly observed, that sooner than enter into any coalition with respect to Bucks, he would give up his own seat.----(Hear.) Mr. RICKF'ORD protested against any diminution of the Members for Bucks. (LEFT SITTING.) (We shall give the conclusion in a SECOND EDITION.) DEATH OF THE RIGHT REVEREND DR. COPPINGER.-We have just this moment (Thursday, half-past three) had an express from Cove, stating the death of this illustrious Prelate. His Lordship's remains will be removed from his house on Friday morning, at nine o'clock, to the chapel, and after a solemn high mass and office for the dead, they will bc deposited in the tomb, erected for their reception, in the chapel yard of Cove. The venerable Bishop was in his 713th year, and conse crated Bishop in 1788.--Cork Onslitution. LONDON, SAitßi';'Air gVENiNG, AUG-UST 1 . 3, 1821 SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. The motion of Mr. Croker, announced in so im posing e. tsfennee cn Tl:ereder7 night s turned out a very sorry piece of birsitieSL':. He he'd one or two small points to deal with—the letter of the Ist of August addressed to the conference, which Lord Palmerston received on the Wednesday, and did not op e n till the meeting of the conference on Thursday; the letter of the 2d AUgust, which had been read in a hurried manner by the Dutch Minister, and which had produced so little impression on his Lordship that he could not recollect whether was read on the Friday or Saturday ;—the inability to compre e bend the meaning of the words nio!ens militaires ; —and the injury done to the Dutch nation in repre senting them as perfidious, in sending a negociator to the conference armed with full powers, without saying a word of the military movements which had been ordered. The Right Hon. Gentleman overlaid his subject by his mode of treating it. Identifying Ministers with a series of articles in a Morning con temporary (the Times), he wished it to be inferred that, from ignorance or design, they had given a false representation of the conduct of the King of the Netherlands, in consequence of which he was one day held up as perfidious, and the next as the victim of their calumny. The fact of the case may be com prised in a nut-shell. While the former Ministry were in office, on the 17th November, an armistice, or a suspension of arms, was agreed upon, which has been broken by the Dutch Government. On Tuesday, the 2d August, the Dutch King renewed hostilities, and on the Wednesday following the first notice of this was communicated in a letter, which was not opened till next day. If Lord Palmerston had immediately summoned the conference, and laid before them the letter of the Ist August, and if there had not been the slightest difficulty in assign ing a precise meaning to the expressions, still the fact remained, that one day before the letter was re ceived the Dutch army was in motion, and that the c inference could not have prevented the effusion of blood. The conference wer e certainly not pre pared for this unceremonious mode of proceeding of the Dutch King ; and without pretending to say whether he has or has not been fairly treated by the conference, there can be little doubt that his warlike movements preceded his announcement of them. It is pretty clear that the Dutch King wished to steal a march on the conference. That he did not sends nego ciator as a blind may be very true, for the rnoyens nrilitaires indicated pretty clearly an appeal to arms; but having commenced his military operations be fore his notice of them could reach the conference, if the sending a negotiator was not perfidy, it was at least a mockery. The material point was not neglected by Ministers, though the letter of the Ist of August received on Wednesday was not opened till Thursday; for having received on Wednesday evening a letter from Lard C. Bagot, announcing the march of the Dutch troops, that very evening an express was sent to the fleet under Sir E. Co drington, ordering it to the Downs, that it might be ready to act as circumstances should require. And as to the King of Holland, no time has been lost in compelling him to renounce his mad attempt.— Whether•that attempt shall have the effect of kind ling a general war in Eutope remains to be seen; but if it fails in thie, the fault will not be that of his Dutch Majesty. Even those who are most disposed to make allowance for him, must be glad to fluid him stopped in his military career.—Morning Ch? °nide. The discussion on the Reform Bill last night pre sents no very remarkable feature : we therefore recur to the painful subject of the previous night's debate. There is one test by which the merits of the " nomination-district" clause in the Reform Bill may now be judged, but which we had not the I means of applying to it when the article on the sub ject in the Times of yesterday was written,—viz., the lists of 'Members who, by their votes or speeches supported and opposed that fatal clause, On looking at the report of names and speeches. much presents itself of a puzzling nature to th ose who are not behind the curtain. When we see, for instance, among the supporters of Ministers, with reference to the clause in question, a considerable number of Tory partisans, the hottest and most furious opponents of the Bill in these of its features which offered any concession to the people, the sus picion of every man of the least shrewdness must be excited, that the county-division principle isnot in accordance with the professed spirit of the Bill. Who were the most decided champions of that el ruse in the Committee on Thursday everting ? Will the reader credit it ? After Lords Althorp and J.Russell,the most conspicuous ofsuch advocates, were Mr. Wpm, Mr. enemies Goulburn, and Sir Robert Peel ! Ay , these de ipvrielactaetvoerrs o w f as al i l ib ßeform,bitter— ad these popuiarin the whole to measure, avowing as their ground for such a course, too °o the m s u y u s i ! curtailedthat p b o y wers cuttingort h o e ut oli t g b r e nic ro hy tte vt t i i o p ul a d rt b s e o tem,—these same oligarchs went out of their way to make speeches in favour of this county-crushin g project! What, then, must the nation think of it ? Nor was it an impulse or peculiar crotchet of these three sticklers for the divine right of boroughs there was not a skull in the whole Tory party thick enough to resist the palpable expediency of support ing a clause so replete with anti-reform spirit. Look, moreover, at those who followed in the wake of the Peels and Wyens, and Goulburns, and (we almost blush for Ministers) voted on their side—" Apsley, Arbuthnot, two Ashleys, Cholmondeley, Dugdale, Eastnor, Eliot, Lowther! Mahon, Praed, Warren der, Lord Villiers, Colonel Wood." We wish Lord Althorp joy of his company; but when the country has its attention turned to this matter, and begins to put circumstances together, and to weigh, like Pan gloss, causes and effects, we certainly shall not be in the least surprised to hear that the assertions of the Tories for some weeks past have had the merit of anticipating at least what was to happen ;and that the people of England are pretty heartily cooled both towards the Bill and its authors. So of those Members, English as well as It ish, who had supported Ministers in former divisions, front a consciousness that they were maintaining the true interests of the public cause, twelve Irishmen, the most assiduous in their Parliamentary duty, and the most resolute and libe ral in their politics, who had on every previous occa sion voted with Ministers in defence of Reform, now rejected their mischievous clause ; while no less than 35 English Members, and among them some of the worthiest and most - honourable men in Parliament, with Lord Startler, the Irish Secretary's father, at their head, pursued the same honest and consistent course, and voted against the Government. If facts so remarkable do not serve to enlighten the country upon the intrinsic heinousness of this provision of the Bill, we, for our parts, despair of doing so by any recurrence to the obvious reasoning on the sub ject, some of the more prominent of which we brought yesterday under public notice. The re sumption of the House,—the bringing up of the report,—and finally, the third reading of the Bill, may afford opportunities for re-arguing the clause in the House of Commons. From the i olds, en such a point, we unfortunately have no hope. We steal take another opportunity of discussing the principle , on which the clause, to which we object, was de fended. We shall only, at present, stop to remark, that the arguments of Lord Althorp, in its sal port, appeared to us, if p oss ibl e, more objectionable aw l alarming than the clause itself.--?lanes. IMPERIAL i'':Ati.jAlV&Nt. HOUSE OF LORDS, Auausr 12. Loan CHANCELLOIL did not take Lis seat op Si), Woolsael;_ till a Cl,tarter past Five. The Earl of ELOOTI presented a petition from Lis heard, against the Church-building Mr. BERNAL, and other Members of the liou,,e of Com mons, brought ttp the Disembodied Militia Bill, together with two private Bills. Lord TEYNHAM moved for the nutnlyr of Magistrates dismissed from the Commission of the Peace in Ireland within the last four years. After a few wotds from Lord PLUNKETT the motion was agreed to. DUBLIN COMMITTEE. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, in consequence 6f the evidence before the House of Commons not being in a fit state to lay before tht House, withdrew his motion upon this subject, of which he had given node', for to-day. The Marquis of SALISBURY wished to knoW from the Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether he teas prepared, in consequence of the information he had received, to acquit the High Sheriff of Hertfordshire of any blame in the case of a convict of the name of Stern, who having received a reprieve, was not informed of it for several days. Viscount MELBOURNE felt surprised at the question of the Noble ;Marquis, but if the statements he had re ceived were correct, he had no hesitation in acquitting him of ail blame. The House then went into Committee (Earl Shaftes buty in the chair), when the Ecclesiastical Livings' Bill was committed pro forma. FRAUDULENT DEBTORS' BILL. Lord WYNFORD moved the third reading of the Fraudulent Debtors' Bill, and again explained its nature and object, and mentioned some amendments which he proposed to introduce, in order to obviate the objections of his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Plunkett). It often happened that when judgment was recovered in this country, the only means by which the creditor could get the fruits of it was by imprisonment of the person of the debtor. This remedy might have been effectual when prisons were not quite so comfortable as they were now.— But now, when the prisoners had the rules, it was found that prisons and their rules afforded very comfortable lodg ings, and the consequence was, that imprisonment was in many instances quite inadequate to compel debtors to pay their debts, although they had abundant means of doing so. Although they should have double the amount of their debts in the funds, or in the hands of third persons, they often preferred remaining in prison or going abroad to the payment of their d e bt s . L arge propert i es were t h us spent in prison and in foreign countries which ought to go to p a y the debts due to creditors, whose ruin was often the consequence of non .payment. There were in one of the prisons of the metropolis one hundred persons who had the means to pay, and yet chose to remain in prison rather than pay one farthing ; and thousands had absconded and gone abroad to avoid the payment of their debts. He had received many communications, by post, from bankers and others, complaining of this state of the law, and urging him to proceed with his Bill. He had long turned this subject in his mind, and he could not devise any adequate remedy, except by subjecting those who stood in the situa tion of fraudulent debtors to the Bankrupt Laws, although they were not traders. The object of this Bill was not to extend the Bankrupt Laws to all descriptions of persons, but only to those, not being traders, who frau dulently refused to pay their debts when they had the power to pay. It was only applying to them the same law to which the most honourable merchants were subject. And then it ought to be observed, that the bank rupt had some privileges which did not belong to the mere insolvent, for if his bankruptcy was owing to misfor tune, and he himself was clear from blame, he had an al lowance made to him, and both his person and future pro perty were protected by his certificate. It had been ob jected that a debtor of this description might, under this Bill, in case he did not surrender in a given time, be trans ported as a felon; but that would depend on the discretion of the Lord Chancellor ; and a decidedly fraudulently debtor would have no reason to complain that he was made liable to be transported. Then it bad been ob i''cted, with respect to those residing abroad, that this Bill did not make it necessary that they should be person. ally served. But it would often be impossible to serve them personally, as they could effectually prevent that by a change of name ; and persons residing abroad, who had property in this country, were almost always very well informed as to what was passing here, and service at their last place of abode, and advertisementsin the Gazette and in their county Newspaper would be quite sufficient notice. It had been objected that judgment creditors would by this Bill be deprived of their lien on the freehold property of the debtors, and reduced under the commi ss i on to the condition of simple contract cr e dit ors; but he had a clause to propose , by which it was provided that the commission should not deprive judgment credirors of their lien, provided it should appear to the Lord Chan cellor on inquiry that the judgments had been fairly and bona fide obtained ; and it was not desirable that fraudu lent aioem j i u n e i l e g tsomteitiorshould be e r v p i r d o i toegeted that . 0 He estateshael also io r a e tr . inaind e r, nor any estates except those in actual posse.sion, should he sold under the 13 , 11. Another am en d ment was, that the provisions of the Bill should not take effect against persons residing abroad until the expiration of twelve months from the passing of the Bill, within which time they might exempt themselves by returning an d p av i ng or compo u nding with their creditors. The object of this Bill was not to imprison debtors, but to co m p e l t h em to pay their debts, for be considered imprisonment for debt to be impropa, except to compel the debtor tc give up his property. tto it by be the wa s Noble a tisfiEedarl that(F (Fife) near would him, operate it Lord PLUNKETT felt hims e lf b oun d to i ns i st that the Bill should be a bandoned a l together. He was glad that his attentielha o d n been examining cllel it, fiw. harshly and opp ress i ve l y on that class of persons to whom it applied. In the first place, it was a great hardship on persons not in trade who went abroad, not to avoid their creditors, but for their amusement, or from some other motive.—LLord WYNFORD-They might remain at home till they paid their debts.] —lt might be proper that they should so remain at home ; and, if the Noble and Learned Lord could find some proper means to B Bill would be, paying hs ' i keep them at home , he sho uld be glad of it; but this going The effect abroad, ofwithout the that measurea private en debts, m i g ht be made bankrupt, whether h e h a d actua l notice of the proceedings against him or not. Notice in the Gazette and i n newspapers might never reach him ; an d, as to service at his last place of abode, it oft e n hap pened that persons g o i ng a b roa d h a d no p l ace o f a b o d e in astoo g i t i l a e r n s l h an this country. The "Noble and Learned Lord had said, that the being made liable to transportation for life was no hard ship upon one who refused to ply his debts when he had the means to pay; but it appeared to him to be a very harsh mea sure, to render a man criminally responsible as a felon, for that which was a matter of civil contract. But his main objection was that a person should be made thus liable, who should . be found by a Jury to be staying abroad to avoid paying . his debts, although he should not a have gone abroad to. avoid his creditors. The Noble and Le rued the hey j .w ud o g u m id e s ti t t il s t , Lord said that the matter of transportation would be a subject to the discretion of the Lord Chancellor. But very sound as that discretion . might be, still it was not a hazard to which . the liberty of the subject ought to be put. Then as the Noble and Learned Lord had said thbe effectual as liens on the property, provided it was found, on inquiry by the Lord Chancellor, that they were not fraudulently entered up. But the great value . of a. judgment as a security was that it should not be inquired into. Upon the whole the Bankrupt Laws were very good for traders, but they could not be extended without injustice. This remedy was worse thau the disease. The Noble and Learned Lord called upon him to propose a better if he could. But he would not be Doctor to the a t t o . t Noble and Learned Lord's Bill, nor would he undertake its management. Lord TENTERDEN bad not of late had an opportunity of examining the Bills in progress through that House, nor was he sufficiently acquainted with all the details of the Bill of his Noble and Learned Friend. He would, there fore, suggest to his Noble and Learned Friend that the third reading of the Bill should be postponed for some days. Lord WYNFORD consented to this, and observed, that the observation s of the Noble and Learned Lord (Plunkett) only convinced him the more that this Bill was a good measure. The Earl of ELDON thanked hie Noble and Learned Friend for the readiness with which he had agreed to postpone the third reading of the Bill. Nobody could wetiiey t The subj ec t was one 1,19 k about ai i'lhat was pissing around him, efithott: boiog convinced that enornlnt . frauds wer e comm i tte d b y but if,an e b ;v o oe r r s 7 o h f t ot h no e s ip d d e re s or cp cd t i o ci ffiu t t o ci ouu w l tsy hich t 7 B h il i l l referred; ly. ak measures to prevent fraud, great care ought to be taken that the innocent shank] be protected. The Bill was then committed pro larva, the amend ' ments were introduced, and the third reading appointed for Tuesday *6ek- -- : Lord Wititi:oo maied for a return sf the declared v a lue of British mar:AP:tut - ea exported during the last three years —Ordered. 'VP.TON'S . DIVORCE BILL. The LORD CHASICEI,I.OR stated, that he had Cori sidercd the evidence given in this CijST, as it was his duty to do, more especially as it was only the actc•nd or third instance dr a ^ife app'ying to Parliament for a dli•o?ce.— The result of his ezaiiiitiretion was, that much of the objee tion which be at first had to ti:e Pill had been removed.— His Noble and Learned Friend near hitt: . fTenterden) had atten'iled to the first part of the evidence, but not as yet had an oppO'rt7rity of seeing the remainder. He pro posed, therefore, that in to give his Noble and Learned Friend an opportunity to examine flit whole of the evidence the further consideration of the Bill shoOd I , e , postponed till Tuesday next; which was ordered accordingly. Adjourned till Monday, at Half-past Three o'clock. 40 USE OF COMMONS, Auatur 12. The Srrnxa a took the Chairshortly after Three o'clock. Mr. Ht-r WOOD presented a petition from the Cham ber of Commerce itl Manchester, praying that permission be granted to refine foreign sugars in England ; also a petition from Ashton-under- Line against the hours of labour in factories; a petition from Manchester ag tinet the Liability of Landlords' Bill ; and a petition from the Members of the Mechanics' Institute at Bolton in Lancashire, against the taxes on knowledge _ _ Lord MORPETH presented three petitions from Leeds, Halifax, an I Dewsbury, numerously and respectably signed, praying that some system of permanent and legal provision may he made for the relief of the poor of Ireland. Mr. SADLER supported the prayer of the petitions, and urged on the House the immediate necessity of resort ing to some measure by establishing poor laws in Ireland. Colonel DAVIES was of opinion that the adoption of the poor laws in Ireland would not have the effect of pre venting the influx of Irish labourers into this country. It was the high price of labour in this country that tempted the poor hither. Mr. HUNT supported the prayer of the petitions. He attributed all the distress of the labouring poor of Ireland to the high rate of taxation. Colonel SIBTHORPE thought that great exertions were being made to keep up the distinction between the English and Irish labourers. He saw in the newspapers that in the county he had the honour of belonging to (Lincoln. shire) there was an account of a brutal attack that had been made on the Irish labourers, three of whom had been most disgustingly assaulted ; now be had the Lincoln paper in his hand, and he was happy to say that there was not any part of the statement founded in truth. After a few words from Mr. SADLER and Lord Mott rEnt the petitions were laid on the table, and ordered to e printed. SETTLEMENT OF THE POOR. Lord MORPETH presented a petition from the church wardens, overseers, and inhabitants of Lteds, on the Hir ing by Service Bill He wished to know whether the Hon. Member (Mr. Weyland) intended to urge on his Bill upon this subject pending the present Session. Mr. WEYLAND said he intended by this Bill to pro mote the interests of the agriculturists without interfering with the manufacturing interests. If he found he had no chance of carrying the Bill in a few weeks, he would with draw it, and afterwards introduce another measure. After a few words from Mr. ESTCOURT, the petition was laid on the table and ordered to be printed. ROMAN CATHOLIC MARRIAGES. Lord MORPETH next presented a petition from the churchwardens and overseers of the poor at Leeds, praying that marriages between Roman Catholics celebrated in this co.ntry might be legalised.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. JONES presented two petitions in favour of the annual grant to the Kildare-street Society. IMPROVEMENTS IN THE HOUSE. Colonel TRENCH brought forward the subject of en larging, ventilating, and otherwise improving the interior of the House of Commons. He said the extreme heat and want of air when the House was full, attended by Members, was generally admitted to arise from the bad construction of the House. Under these circumstances he had turned his attention to the means of well airing and enlarging the interior of the House without its being attended with any great expense. He consulted an archi tect, and found it could be done for about 3,0001. The Hon. Member gave a general outline of his plan, which had been approved of by the Committee as a means not only of af fording better accommodation, but of enabling Members in every part of the House to hear more distinctly than at present. The Hon. Member concluded by moving that two other Members be added to the Committee. Lord MORPETH said that it was expedient to refrain from discussing this subject until the Committee made their report. To a question from an HoN. MEMBER, Colonel TRENCH said his plan would give increased aecommodatiun to strange's. Mr. BUNT agreed in the proposed plan. The two ➢Members being added to the Committee, the subject was dropped for the present. Lord KILLEEN presented a petitio❑ from certain Ito. man Catholic,: against the Parliamentary grant to the Kil dare-street Society. Captain GORDON would take that opportunity to set himself right with the House in reference to one of the most atrocious breaches of privilege and libels upon any Honourable Member he had ever heard of. It was not his intention to follbw up his notice of the sub ject by any specific motion, but he could not avoid a re ference to the subject in consistency with the duties he owed to himself, to the House, and to the public. In a public print of the lowest and most scurrilous description (we do not mention its name, lest it should attract unde served public notice), there was a reference to what he had said upon the subject of blasphemous, seditious, and infamous publications on a former occasion in that House, and after commenting upon it the writer concluded by asserting that he (Captain Gordon), who had com plained of the blasphemous publications, was the foster parentof those libels—a contributor to those publications— a go-between of the Tories," &c., and then gave two letters, which were gross forgeries, purporting to he addressed by him (Captain Gordon) to the editor of that low and worthless penny publication. It bad also designated Mr. Hunt (and he would call the attention of that Hon. Member to the language) by several very opprobtious epithets. He would take a more effectual method of justifying himself from those libelous charges than by any motion on the subject. Mr. HUNT would assure the Hon. Member for Dundalk and the House, that be was quite regardless of what tie Press said about him—and nineteen-twentieths of the people of the country were of the same opinion—it was a promulgator of falsehoods. Whoever had attended to the progress of the Reform Bill could not but be aware of that ; he bad, therefore, become quite regardless of its a•per sions. If his Majesty'. Ministers, however, had been °resent. he would have taken that opportunity of telling them how much blame they had incurred in having fallen under the displeasure of the editor of the Times. Mr. RU I'HVEN deprecated any allusion to such prints as that to which the Hon. Member for Dundalk had celled the attention of the House. It did not at all accomplish the object of Hon. Members, while the attention of the public was thereby called to what was alike discreditable and injurious. Lord KILLEEN moved for a return of the names of all stipendiary Magistrates in Ireland, with the dates of their appointment, the names of the counties in which they serve, specifying the amount of their salaries and their other emoluments, and the sources from which these ptt inents were made. The Nob!e Lord also moved for a return of the amount of all superannuations granted to the consta hulsry police in Ireland. Sir G. CLERK brought up the Bill for amending the turnpike roads in Scotland. Mr. DICKSON said two clauses had been introduced in Committee, the principle and operation of which would he extremely injurious in respect to ateam-carriages, and therefore he would object to its reception. Sir G. CLERK said the clauses had been introduced at the suggestion of Mr. Gurney, the inventor of steam carriages, and the toll imposed was quite equitable.— - auk) was, indeed, a Committee sitting of enquiry on the subject of steam car-lieges ; but their, how ever, had gone to such an extent with their in.. vestigations, that it might not be improper to wait for the result to which they might come. He would move that the Bill be reprinted for the information of the House : as to ir jr, o'newly inserted clau'os, and that it should b e re cetror led on Friday next. Af . ,s;;KSON explained, and after some further obser vations Sir George Clerk's motion was a g r ee d t o. Sir G. CLERK, E 4 C hairman of the Committ ee that had been appointed to trY the petition against th e return fof Mr. titesvart for the J j edhurgi. district of royal bur g h s , ! stated that the Committee found ata; there had bt-en a gross disturbance in tht- burgh of Lauder, Cram which one of the town councillors preferred a charge against one of the individnals connected with this - outrage. He hail inter:Jed to have brought it before the House, but he had heard it was the intention of the Lord Advocate to in stitute a promention. He wished now to ingaire cf the Lord Advocate if the indictments had been postponed. The LORD ADVOCATE said indictments had been preferred against four or five individuals concerned in this transaction ; their trials had been appointed for the 2d or 3d or this month, but in consequence of the unavoidable absence of snore p , .rsons they had beenpottponed. Sir G. CLERK said, that under those circumstanecs, he should refrain from pressing the subject u;ion the atten tion of the Housa. Sir R. MUSGRAVE presented several petitions ,relating :o education in Ireland. Mr. SINCLAIR presented a petition from the General Synod o' Sutherland, for the abolition of slavery in the West Indies, Afr. GLUON presented a petition from the inhabitants of the royal buret' of Linlithgow, praying the House to pass the Reform Bill with as much despatch as the forms 1 of the House would permit. The SPEAKER, uiron looking over the petition, asked if the Member could account for the erasures in it? Mr. OII.LON felt it his dory in add that there had been certain lines in the petition which he conceived to be of too strong a nature, aael not being cognisant of the farms of the House, he bad consulted other Hon. Members who informed him that it was not unparliamen tary to strike out the lines.---(Loud laughter.) The SPEAKER said the Hon. Member would, under those circumstances, perceive that it was not the petition of the parties. If it had been couched in proper language, It was the duty of the Hon. Member to pr..sent it ; but it was not competent to him to alter the language, or erase any part of it. Mr. GILLON said as it could not now be called the petition of the parties, lie would withdraw it.—(Hear, hear.) At the same time be begged to state that from his daily communication from various parts of Scot land, he knew that very numerous petitions would be sent upon this subject. He stated this in order to remove the impression arising from the assertion that there was a lckewarmnesa in Scotland upon the Reform question.— That assertion only corresponded with the other assertion, that Minister" had adopted unconstitutional measures.— (Cties of " Hear, hear," and " Order.") They were wholly frivolous ; for he could state that the strongest feeling prevailed in the country upon this question. The SPEAKER interrupted the Hon. Member, ob serving that there was no question before the House. The petition was then withdrawn. Sir W. W. WYNNE presented a petition from the High Sheriff and Grand Jury of the coun'y of Denbigh, against the use of molasses in distilleries, which the peti tioners said would be highly detrimental to the agricultu ral interests. Ordered to lie on the table, and to be referred to the Committee. Mr. CALVERT presented a petition from the maltsturs of Ware to the same effect. CORN LAWS. Mr. HUNT had three petitions to present for the re peal of the corn laws, but he scarcely knew whether he should present them, or not, until he had ascertained whe ther the Noble Lord opposite would, or would not, object to their being received.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) One of the petitions stated, that the petitioners were of opinion that it was high time to repeal an Act that disgraced the statute book—an Act called by those who suffered by it, " the Starvation Act"—politely called the Corn Bill—aßill passed at the point of the bayonet, in 1815, and which enabled the landowner to extort extravagant rents front the tanner. This, the Hon. Member thought was strong language, but not tyrannical. His own opinion was, that the Act was most unjust and inhuman. There was no doubt of its having been passed at the point of the bay onet, for when passed London was tilkd with military, and those who voted in its favour were escorted by soldiers to the Rouse. The petition was signed by three or four thousand of his constituent, awl he felt himself bound to present it. Sir R. INGLIS considered that the Hon. Member was doing his utmost to degrade the institutions of the country. No ether inference could be drawn from his conduct in pre senting a petition like the present. lie had introduced peti tions into the House containing much more disgraceful language than any Hon. Member who bad ever sat in it, and he would ask the Noble Lord opposite, whether per mitting a petition now to be brought forward, stating that a certain Act had been passed at the point of the bayonet, would be consulting the dignity of the House. Mr. CRIPPS was of opinion, that presenting such a petition was highly objectionable. He agreed with the Hon. Member for Oxford, that it was time to notice petitions like that present, and to mark them with disapprobation. Had the Hun. Member been in the House when the Corn Bill was passed, be would have known that it received ever y possible attention at every stage, and that it was discussed almost as much as the Reform Bill. Sir M. W. RIDLEY thought the petition improperly and absurdly worded, but still not s.) disrespectfully as that the House ought to reject it. His object in rising was to call attention to the delay and inconvenience which must necessarily attend the presenting of such petitions, and debates taking place at this particular period. Lord ALTHURP did not object to the petition, but did not agree with the Honourable Member for Preston that he had read the strongest part of the petition. The Noble Lord read certain passages which complained of the inhumanity of the House, conjured it not to refuse to take their complaint into consideration, and avowing that the British lion was reused, and that the productive classes neither could nor would submit quietly longer to be treated as they had been. He would leave it to the House to sty whether the petition ought to be received or not. Mr. HUNT said he should certainly persist in present ing the petition; he regretted that his colleague was nut in the House to second it. If it fell to the ground in con sequence of there being no one to second it, it would not be Isis fault. An IloN. Mitatises. (whose name we could not learn) felt it his duty to rise to second the motion, to bring up the petition. .Ur. MABERLY objected to the terms of the petition. He did not mean to say the petitioners ought not to be heard if they had any cause of complain', hut then it was imperative that in approaching it they should use re spectful language. Ile considered th, oirespeet shewn to the [louse by the presenting of such petitions as this as resting not so much in the petitioners as in the lion. Members who took upon themselves to, present such petitions, ne cessarily knowing whit language they contained. Tl.e pllery wits then cleared, when there appeared, that the petition be brought up-- Ayes V 6 Noes Majority against the petition FOREIGN AFFAIRS. On the motion by Lord ALTIIORP, that Mr. Speaker leave the chair previous to the House resolving itself into Committee on the Reform Bill, Mr. CHOKER rose, and said it was his intention to move an amendment to the motion of the Noble Lord. He hoped, however, that eventually this proceeding would be found not to have occasioned any very great delay. Ile might have yesterday availed himself of his Noble Friend's request to the Hon. Member for Oakhampton (Sir R. Vyvyan) to postpone his motion, and have brought the matter forward, but this might have appeared ungracious ; and even now he would consent to postpone hi. a:, end hainPtun circumstances,'e mot i on , njustice i f h e end ment to the same period with the lion. Mea,ber for Oak fhtrelle: e i p a s h u s l u t to did the nnf g e tea e n lus, upon that d the under all the ation in bject on ed st s s E ghou l i t iveb i i e o : i i c p :a t tr e t pa ' y , r co l tlifid — h onrg e ens i yet : tr e itoni ol ,pi t u . could : d h t oh i er in wudH o nhot t t ii o ute, a y. eshv.entuhfimpeod count ry postponed e e r o i ; t i e : f o e t ieandng for one er eaads, notice o lr n e s s hod beenohni which h a in he fully acquiesced. But the object he had in view, he was convinced even his Noble Friend (Lord Palmerston) would agree with him, was attended with no risk to the publicinte rests. He was not about to expati.ite upon matters of general policy, ton nor eg t ti o o p n r s es t b fu Len r disclosurespending. which .il, o T e i g h ( t j o call .or aui: answer to a thing wli:ch ought to be forthwith examinrd and explained. Un.hr other c i r cumstances, tie would ba happy to postpone his motion. and he w o ulli be the ready, and the w ore bnsious to do because he was r , aware of the unavoidable snit .le a bsence of the Right thin. Member for am-011h (Sir R. Peel), to which he would take occasion to allude more particularly