The Sun. — London, England, 1856-02-22 00:00:00

KET ;ENCE. ) O'CLOCK• - - - terday closed s were 7, 0 , Pernara nv u p tian, 611. to er lb. Th. d quotations the partied' rom which I t e 30th June , 'he princip al it. Stock 0 0 : its. Deferral 970,90)° °° ' purchased bi ),934, 935, 271 is improviviff 11 on accoun ..mbarking . -ee-per-Cen ts Ted at 23 ', r Mi n ister 01 )opular ; made in 1211 commodities cable. ter CO' 36...105 r 0... so 86 86 98 0° rl 43 45 11l 16 / 16 ... 74 .6 7.. • 80 14 84 38... ,71 36... 86 i a . v., 90 ti 83 7$ 77 15... 791 FOi ;Cs 8 3 g 76 ;0 ..- 95 ;4::: 9l 96 ;3... 80 82 ;7... 98 100 33._ 8 88 ;2... 75 71 r 5... 80 82 ;9 921 93 ;4 ... 94 2 ;0::: 86 S 8 lone in t li° Certificate° eacly at 941 5 of Foreign 71; Mexi can ' ,nti., 55 sr ; tsiiqn 5 Of 94 ; Spoi l° 3i 24 ; Ger' id some u► the Foreig i , ortant. mous Star° O oLOC-‘4 i. In. V (Inge• 15 1i 90 1 2 9-16 / 8 1 Lavin O'CLO ( Day.) oon, S .15F' .:., stroor 1-11.1L 0 ved—Pdor¢ • step a Po'' —ltslai 10, George, fat C, for Sao' L Cardiff i ° leaky. 00 eck. 'rash ! pile —. Londc 'l4 to 7 palm Oil► picked. il 14 sore, sv hieh randed sod wart, from. 1 the 10th Hozsiimg. ; So uth' don. .45 14.3 n. :ope ; An- .17 ado. report of hour, pre ;4, it ep ee of the mt—that ue in the 1/., to be that the the year mr would ,f putting of exceed 5/. This the 12th 'hursday. ipperary of Chan- SHARE MARKETS. (THIS DAY.) RAILWIYS. Closing Prices yesterday BAUMAYS. I Paid. MI all , 1 100 100 ,100 1)0 100 100 be:at:ex.: Niabg. Nottng. Bost, and Eaatn. lolfast do Prillymons NV(•lve rb IRtour .. llirko.ihd. Ducal Gibe:thin Juliet ")o. Che,h. 6 Birk. £5O and £25 Cons ...... tlytb &Tyneorigina 425 (ised. at £45 i.tristol and Exeter Caledonian. (lam. and Ca , digek Chester dr Holyhea:i. Onrk and Bandon. 3ork, Black, 6 Paa:: Cornwall Do. A Do. B CrieT Junction..... uNindißelfastJunc. Onn. P. ds Aber. Ate. East Anglian 'Eastern Counties.. gNelt. :Trion, A SO M, B. Stot,t Do., Now East Kent P.:sat Lancashire ... 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Invest. 14 .. 14 14 1 4 Ditto New....,....... 25 all South Auqtral.:Land 354 364 I al; Submar. Tel. Scrip,., 1 1 :0 all Do. 11...eistered 1'; 5 Trust& L. Co.U.Can 100 281 Vs, Diemso t . 'and 15 i 6 PR en • VACOPICAMJUhr est 51 „,, St. '4. St. .5 )() 6 , 'lOO 100 1 100 1100 'lOO 100 or. (K 10) all all tOO 100 100 all THE SIN t\i DON, FRIDAY vF, 1 FEBRUARY 22 MARKET NEWS.—(This Day.) stating, it has reference merely to those ordinary rela tions which are understood as subsisting between the Secretary of State for War and the Commander-in-Chief. I would say, however, that since that office has been esta blished there has been undoubtedly another change made which has considerably altered the position and increased the duties of the Secretary of State for the War Depart ment, because on him has been thrown the duties for , inerl , e performed by the Secretary at War, the c nsequence of which has been that he has to exercise in future the control formerly exercised by that minister over the financial affairs of the army ; and, indeed, the control in matters of expenditure over all military departments. That, however, is merely a transfer of the authority of the Secretary at War, who is sometimes not always a Cabinet Minister ; but the relation in which he stands to the Commander in-Chief is in no degree different to the relation in which the Secretary at War stood. There has been another alteration—viz.. the abolition of the office of Master-General of the Ordnance. What ar rangements have been made in regard to that office I confess I am not personally or practically acquainted with, but I apprehend that the principle upon which that change was effected—and I am sure it was so an nounced at the time—was to transfer to the Commander in-Chief the same control over the Ordnance department as he had previously exercised over the rest of the army. Therefore, my lords, I wish to be informed whether the distinction which I understood to prevail in the first instance is still maintained and rigidly acted upon—viz., that in regard to discipline, the patronage, the promotion of the army, and consequently with re gard to the Ordnance, the sole and absolute authority rests with the Commander-in uninteifsred with by the co-ordinate authority of the Secretary for War. That is a principle which I think it important should not be for a moment in doubt, so that in point of fact we should know to whom it is that the officers of the army should look for support, protection, and promotion, whether to the Queen's Commander-in-Chief, or to the Secretary of State for the War Department, who is responsible not alone to the Crown, but to the Parliament also. When I state that, do not let me be misunderstood so far as to say that I consider either the Commander-in-Chief or any other person can be free from responsibility, which mis conduct or mismanagement in his high office would expose him to in the opinion of Parliament. (1-lea.r, from the Ministerial benches.) There can be no office where neal versation and misconduct can fittingly and praperly be withdrawn from the cognisance of this or the other House of Parliament ; but I say that that is a very different case from the constant daily superin tendence of Parliament and the constant daily interfer erce of the Minister who is responsible to Parliament with the ordinary execution of the duties of that depart ment. Therefore, the first question which I wish to have answered distinctly is, whether it is still under stood, as it used to be in former tieles, that over the pa tr. page, the fitet introduction into the army, the subse quent pi o.notien, the arrangements for promotion, the conferring of honorary distinctions, the tnevement of troops, the appointment to foreign garrisons —in all these cases, does the authority now rest, and indi-p st ably rest, as it has been accustomed to do, in the Com mander in -Chief, or in the Secretary of State for the War Department ? My lords, there is another class of cases in which I desire to know where the authority rests. Supposing it to be intended to increase, or to alter in any way, the fortifications of this country, or in the colonies, either by the erection of new works, whether for the defence or fer the accomtno fation of troops, no doubt the Secretary of State for the War Department exercises that financial control which is inseparable from his office in the erection of such works, which must of course have his concurrence in a financial point of view ; but I wish to know whether in all these cases it is definitively un derstood that the first initiative rests with the Colin:eat:- der-in-Chief ; that to him the inspector-general of forti fications makes his report, that to him the director ge neral of artillery would make a report, and that he sub sequently receives the financial assent of the Secretary of State for the War Department for those works which in a military capacity he judges to be important to the country ? My lords, there is another subject upon which I should wish to ask a question ; which is with regard to the bestowal of military honours in the field. I believe the course is, that rec nnmendations for the greeting of honours in the fie!cl proceed generally from the officers commanding upon the spot ; those recommenda tions are reported to the Commander-in-Chief ; they re ceive his sanction, and he forwards them'to the Secretary of State for the War Department, by whom the pleasure of the Crown is signified. Am I mistaken ? (No, from Lord Panmure.) Then I wish to know whether, as the Commander-in-Chief —who, I presume, may exercise his responsibility and discretion with regard to the recom mendation of the officers on the spit —may exclude some and include others not so introduced to his notice, the Secretary of State for the War Department claims the same power of disregarding recommendations that come to him from theCominander-in-Chief, having received his sanction ? If there has been any instance in which the Secretary for War has thought proper to disregard the report of the Commander-in-Chief, withholding distinc tions from some who have been so recommended by him, and granting theta to others who have not, I hope it will be answered. This is a point upon which great mis conception, great doubt, and great uncertainty prevail in the public mind, and that uncertainty prevails both with respect to what is and what is intended. It is, there fore, most important that a distinct and explei; declara tion from the Government should be made upon this sub ject. If I am not mistaken, in 1812, or thereabout, some document was actually drawn up distinctly defining the limits of the authority of the War Office and the Secre tary of State for War, With regard to the appointment to a foreign station, does the selection of the officers rest with the Commander-in-Chief of her Majesty's For.:es or with the Secretary of State for War ? I admit thet there may be a great distinction drawn between honours to be conferred and offices to be conferred in conse- IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY). The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'cloxii. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented seve ral petitions against the opening of the Crystal Palace on Sundays, The Earl of CA.RNA.RVON presented a similar petition, Lord MONTEA.GLE presented petitions to a similar effect. Lord REDESDALE presented similar petitions from places in Yorkshire__ Lori DUNGANNON presented a petition praying that Church rates may not be abolished until an equiva lent is provided, and also one in favour of the opening of the British Museum, the National Galery, and Crystal Palace on sundays. The Duke of ARGYLL presented a petition against the opening of places of amusement on Sundays. LEASES AND SALES OF SETTLED ESTATES BILL. The house then went into committee on this bill. The whose of the clauses were agreed to, and the report was ordered to he received to morrow. TRIAL OF OFFENCES BILL. This bill was reported with amendments. quenco and in reward of distinguished services ' • but I wish to know whether th ere i s a s i ng l e and undivided responsibility upon the Commander in -Chief, or whether that responsibility is shared by the Secretary of State for the War Department? Then, aga . n, with regard to the appointment of such officers as the quartermaster general or the a 4 jutant-general, I ask whether such appointments are in the exclusive jurisdiction of the Commander-in-Chief; or whether the consent of the Secretary of State for the War Depart ment is necessary—in fact, whether he can, if he thinks fit, exercise the power of disapproving the recommendations of the Commander-in-Chief and interposing his own authority to prevent or secure the appointment of any particu'ar officer. This subject is not very remote from one which formed the topic of conversation in the ear ier part of the evening. In the course of the last few months two appointment., at least, have been made with respect to which a good deal of discussion has arisen, and on which, I think, some misunderstanding has taken place in the public mind. I allude to the appointment of my noble and gallant friend behind me (Lnel Cardigan), as inspector-general of the ca-airy, and to the appointment of another gallant officer (Sir Richar4 Airey) to the office of quartermaster general. (`fear, hear ) The appointment of my noble and gallant friend took place in February, 1855, and, as I underst md, was made by the Commander-in-Chief on the strong recommendation of the noble du'le (Ne castle) who at that time filed the office of Secretary for the War Deprrenent. Toe appointment of S'r Richard Airey to the office of quartermaster-general took place in—(Lced l'aernure—Last December). Now I see that there have been many attempts made, in the first place, to impuge these apointmenta, and, in the next place to throw the ind vidual responsibility of them upon my noble friend the Commander-in-Chief. Now, I wish to know distinctly from her Majesty's Go vernment whether the responsibility of these appoint inent3, be they good or bal—for upon that point I sly nothing at present—rests exclusively upon my noble friend the C anmander•in-Chief, or whether they are ap pointm.lnts over which the Government can exercise any influence, and in respect to which her Majesty's Government, and more especially the Secretary of State for the War Department, must take a full share of re- sponsibility t I mention the .quartermaster-general's appointment, not unnaturally, becalm) it bear; 22p-m a question which was the subject of disc:ssion a short time ago. I mean the report which has been laid upon the table of both Houses of Parliament, impugning the conduct of certain officers in the Crimea, and I must say that on this subject I fully concur with the observations which fell from the noble earl, that unless her Majesty's Government were prepared to a lopt the recommenda tions in that report, the noble lord (Panrnure) ought, in justice to the officers impugned in it, to have abstained from laying it upon the table of your lordships' house until he had given those officers an opportunity of being heard in their defence ; and his not having done so had been the means of inflicting serious injury upon them ; and, not only that, but had placed a serious impediment in the way of her Majesty's Government in justifying the error into which, as I think, they have fallen by per mitting the premature publication of this report. But if the statement which I have heard be true, I think that there is another point in this case which bears im mediately upon the question_ which I have to put, and one which I should like to hear some explanation of. If my theory be correct, the Commander in-Chief is the guardian of the character of the officers of the army— (cheers) —it is to him that they are to look for protec tion (hear, hear) -- it is from him they are to expect praise and promotion, or to dread censure —(cheers)—and I say that if it be true, as I cannot believe, until I hear it stated by my noble friend the Commander-in-Chief, that until he received that report as a peer of this house, he had never been shown it, although it was in the hands of the Secretary of State for the War Department so long ago as the month of June, to say nothing of that second one in the month of January—l must say that to withhold such a report from the Commander•in•Chief is an injustice to him, an injustice to the army, and an injustice to the public service. (near.) That, my lords, even if it stood alone, would be sufficient ground for putting those questions ; but when the noble lord (Panmure) says, with reference to that report, that it contained merely some general . statements, and that it w as put into his hands as re ferring to the commissariat, I am quite sure tha t the noble lord must have forgotten that in that first report is contained a series of charges that wer e made with regard to the cavalry led by the noble earl (Cardigan) behind me ; and it is only in this report that the charge is made. It is contained in this passage —" When the supply began to fail them the com missariat officer referred to, who appears to have done everything in his power to meet the difficulty of the case, promised ; as he knew there was plenty of provender at Balaklava, if a detachment of the horses was allowed to go down, that be would engage to bring enough in for the rest of the brigade. This proposition was substan tially made known to Lord Cardigan by Col. Hay, who states that his lordship declined to accede to it." Lord rAntuRE---That is all they say.. • The Earl of DERBY—Now I think, my lords, that none of your lordships would say that passage, standing alone, is not of the utmost importance, as reflecting upon the discretion and conduct of an officer, and you will have the less hesitation in taking that view whin it is recol lected that the starvation of the horses is i ecorded. I ask whether when such a statement was made, it was act a fitting subject for the Secretary of State for the War Department to communicate to the Caminandeain-Chief —(hear, hear) —for I should be very much surprised if the Conernander-in-Chief, on receiving such a communi ca!ion or complaint, did not call upon the officer for an explanation of his conduct, which explanation he Las not hitherto had any opportunity of making. I say, therefore, in regard to this—as in regard to every other case to which I have called your lordships' attention — that the duties of the Secretary for War, and his relation with the Comtnander-in-Chief, ought to be clearly defined, so that there should be no question either as to the autho rity or jurisdiction of one or the other, it being essential to the public service that a good communication should subsist between them, because it bears upon the disci pline, the conduct, the character of the army, and upon the officers commaneine the army. Nothing of such a nature should be withheld for an hour from the know ledge of the Commander-in-chief, who is responsible for the conduct of his officers. It is quite clear to me that the Commander-in-Chief never can fulfil the duty of superintending the conduct of the officers of the army if decurnente of this character are to be with held by the Secretary of State for the War Depart meat, and which are not brought to his notice until they are laid before Parliament, and consequently the public. I do not know, my lords, that I need add anything to what I have said in putting these questions to the noble lord opposite. I had not intended to enter into the details of arrangements with which, not being a mili tary man, I am by no means conversant, but I am afraid, from what I have heard, that considerable confusion, uncertainty, and doubt have occurred with respect to the two departments, especially in the ordinary exercise of their functions, that there has not been such a com plete regulation ef the respective duties of all their offi cers as could have been desired, and that consequently such confusion has arisen among subordinates, and some obscurity as to whom they should look for support or to receive their orders. I should be glad to hear from the noble lord opposite a distinct statement of the mutual responsibility both of himself and the Commander-in- Chief. It will be still more satisfactory if he can lay upon the table any such document as that to which I have referred definitive of the relative duties. Such a docu ment ought to exist, and I think that no changes should be made so extensive in their character as that of consti tuting a Secretary of State for the War Department by the consolidation of two offices, without having upon re cord in the most authentic form the duties that are to be done and the responsibility that is to be borne by the person to whom has been transferred the duties which were performed by another department. Such a record might be embodied in the order of council. If it were riot it was important that it should be ; and if it were, he was sure that the noble lord would hive uo objeeft n to produce it. At all events, it will be readily admitted that such a conflict of authorities as that to which I have alluded cennot Lug exist without serious conse quences both to the Government and the country ; and taking that view, I beg to put the question of which I have ggiven notice to the• noble lord the Secretary of State for War, and also to move for the production of the document to which I have alluded, if srce a document exists. (Hear.) Tire noble earl concluded by asking the terms of his motion, what were the respective duties and . responsibilities of the Seeretary of State for the War Department and the Commander-in-Chief of her Ma jesty's Forces, and moving for any document in which such respective duties were limited and defined. Lord PANMURE—The question of which the noble earl gave notice has now resolved itself into four or five distinct inquiries ; but I do not complain of that, and will endeavour to answer them as I best may. Dismissing for a moment the important questions—and I admit none can be more so—with respect totherelativodutiesof the Secretary of State for War and the Commander-in-Chief, I will advert to the last qaestion put by the noble earl. The noble earl stated that there was a rumour that the first report which was seat me at the latter end of Juno, was not placed by me in the hands of the Commander-in-Chief. It was un doubtedlynot placed by me in the hands of the Commander in-Chief. (The Earl of Derby made a gesture expressive of astonishment.) The noble earl, I observe, exhibits marks of surprise at the announcement : but his surprise will, I think, be lessened when I ask him to road that re port through, and point out to me, with the exception of the single sentence to- which he has alluded, one word of the report which refers to any single department over which the Commander-in-Chief had any control, or for which he was responsible in any manner. Under these circumstances, I think it need hardly be a matter of won der that I did not think it necessary to trouble my noble and gallant friend with the report ; and in the only sen tence quoted, all that is alleged is that the commander cf the cavalry was asked to send some of his horses down to Balaklava, and that he refused. Why, my lords, he might have hal the very best possible reasons for refusing. (Hoar, hear.) It roust be remembered, too, that there was no accompanying evidence to the report, and, therefore, ne judicial conclusion should be drawn from it; so that even had the sentence been submitted to the Commander-in-Chief, all that could have resulted was an ex parts stAlment from the noble and gallant earl himself. I did not for those reasons refer to it. The other report, with the evidence, was placed in my hands for the first tire on the 28th of January. I took up a few days to go over the re port and the evidence; and according to my feeling of the engagement which I enter e d i n t o w ith P ar li ament an d with the country whoa I sent out that commission, I con ceived that it was my duty—without binding myself to statements impugning the conduct of officers referred to in that report—to place it before the public on the earliest possible opportunity. Ipresented it, therefore, on the third day after Parliament m e t, an d th e fi rs t pr i n t e d copy which I saw, with the exception of the proof, was delivered to me after it was presented to Parliament. I considered that I was bound by good faith to Parliament and to the public to present it immediately ; and if in doing so I have com mitted any error I am willing to take on m 3 self the entire responsibility of it. Having stated thus much I come now to a question of far greater magnitude, which the noble earl has put—namely, what are the relations between the Secretary of State for War and the Commander-in-Chief? In doing this the noble earl has opened a wide subject, and one which at the present moment is attracting the at tention of the public out of doors. I did not wish to anti cipate the discussion which must arise when we shell have to deal effectually and openly with the whole of those ques tions in Parliament; but the noble earl's reference to-uight to the subject leaves me no alternative but to state ono of two cases, and to avow openly and honestly whether her Majesty's Government are prepared to abandon the present system as it exists, or whether we will maintain it iu its integrity. Now, in considering the relative positions of the See:etary of State and the Commander-in-Chief, 1 think it will he necessary first of all to make a slight reference to the administration of the departments when they were sepa rate. My lords, with respect, to the conduct of militery af fairs by her Majesty's servants, the Secretary of State for' the Colonialand\VarDepartrnonts exercised those influences and those powers over the administration of the army which have since been transferred to the Secretary for War. Your lordships are aware that that Minister was the Secretary of State for the Colonies as well as for War. His duties I will not recapitulate, because you will find thorn clearly laid down in the very able report of the commission issued in 13:37, over which my neb , e. friend behind me presided. It was the duty of the Secretary of State for the Colonies to take her Majesty's pleasure as to the establishments of the army, and having done so to convey the orders to the Commander-in-Chief- It was his duty also to control all that related to the movement of troops in the colonies un der his charge. If certain troops were required by certain colonies, he it was who intimated the fact to the Com mender-in-Chief, and the Coramander-in-Chief ordered them out ; it was his duty to sign commissions for all offi cers proceeding abroad, and it was further his duty to sub mit to the Sovereign the honours which were recommended to be distributed by the Commander-ie-Chief. I thick that the noble earl opposite has somewhat confounded ditties relating to fortifications abroad with certain et'rers. With respect to fortifications in the colonies, the noble earl does not seem clearly to have comprehended what the duties of Colonial Secretary were. If fortifications wore required in any particul ir colony, ha not only had the financial control of the amount to be expended on those fortifications, but if they were recommended to him by the Master General of the Ordnance, it was presumed that he consulted his own officer, the inspector-general of fortifi cations; and then the Secretary of State was to be the judge, and to be responsible to Parliament for the erection of the fortification as wollas the proper expenditure of the money. If a fortification were erected uselessly, if the design were bad, or the situation an improper one, then the responsi bility rested upon the shoulders of the Secretary of State. Then, again, with reference to the office of Secretary of War of what might be called the horns department, he had, in his capacity of Secretary of State, a certain control over the Commander-in-Chief. He conveyed to the Commander-in-Chief his pleasure as to where troops should be stationed at home, whether in one district or another, judging where the necessity most existed- He signed all commissions, appointed to commissions,erparo. . moted at home, and in some other mattersheeorercsed u thority co-ordinateiy with the Commander-in-Chief.i Now all these powers were transferred to the new Secretary of State for the War Department. It is his du,Y , to communi cate with the Commander-in-Chief as to the stations of the troops that are quartered either at home or abroad, unless some sudden crisis should arise which rendered it necessary eitherfor the Colonial Secretary or the Home Secretary to order the movement of troops , when it was their duty at once to communicate with the Commander - in - Cuief, with out calling for the interposition of the Secretary of State for War. Then , my' lords, the posieion o f th e Coin mander-in-Chief was t hat which the noble earl has stated. It was the business of the Commander-in -Chief to con duct the discipline of the army. It was his business also to administer all the promotions in the army, taking the pleasure of the Crown upon the subject of those promo tions. But I must not omit, my l ords, to state at - the same time, that in respect to all . appoint ments to the higher commands, and all the higher promo-' Cons in the army, it always was, and it still is, the practice of the C o mmander-in-Chief before making any of those appointments or submitting them to the Sovereign, to consult with and to obtain the consent of the Secretary of War. Thus the Secretary of State shares the responsi- , bility of the Commander-in -Chief, as regards those appoint ments, by sanctioning them before they are formally sub mitted for the approval of the Crown. I may as well, per haps, allude here to the question of those recent appoint ments to which the noble earl opposite has directed your lordships' attention—l moan the appointment of my nob'e friend opposite (the Earl of Cardigan) to the office of in spector-general of cavalry, and the appointment of Sir R. Airey to the office of quartermaster-general of the army. For both these appointments, whatever may have been stated to the contrary,' I flan as responsible es my noble friend the Commander-in-Chief; and I shall be quite ready, when the proper time comes, to offer such a defence of them as will, I hope, prove satisfactory to your lordships. So much for the pest relations between the Secretary of State and the Commander-in-Chief. I shall now pass to a consideration of the relations which have been established between them since the creation of a Secretary of State for War. When that office had first been constituted there was no intention, I believe, of carrying the duties attached to it further than to provide for the transference to the Secretary for War of all the powers relating to the army previously vested in the Secretary of State. It was con sidered that the exercise of those powers would Alford euelneas this day CORN EXCHANGE. The arrivals of English wheat up to our market this week, coastwiA3 and by land carriage, have rather in creased; yet the show of samples in to-day's market was very moderate. For most kiwis there was a fair demand, and Monday's prices were freely supported. With foreign wheat we were fairly supplied. The amount of business doing in most descriptions was limited, nevertheless the quotations were well supported. Barley was in good supply, and moderate request, at full prices. The malt trade was dull, at the late decline. There was less activity in the demand for oats, at late currencies. Beaus, peas, and flour soli! at Monday's prices. ♦RRIVALS TIIIB WERK. Wheat. 3,4)90 4,160 triglish .. Irish .• •• Malt. I Oats, 1 Flonr . 7,420 910 ( 4,370 18 ' 5-30 i f 1140bsrkl: Foreign } 1 4,250 1 2,910 1 METROPOLITAN CATTLE MARKET. The supply of bgasts in to-day's market - was Wei f mode rate, and we had a firm demand for all breeds. In some instances the quotations were 2d per 81bs. higher than on Nionday. With sheep we were scantily Supplied, and the mutton trade ruled active, at very full prices. The few calves in the market changed hands freely at fully Mon day's improvement iu value. Pigs sold to a fair extent, at full currencies. Mich cows were a slow sale, at from 141. to 19/, each, including their suan,ll calf. Per Sibs to sink the offal& s. d. s. d. I 8. d. s. d„ Inferior Beasts.... 3 2to 3 4,'PrimeSouthdown 4 6 410 Second quality 3 6 3 10iLarge erse. calves 4 8 5 4 Prime large oxen 4 0 4 6 1 Prime small d 0... 5 6 6 0 Primo Scots, dm. 4 8 4 10Large hogs Inferior Sheep ...3 0 3 4'Sroall porkers 4 4 410 Second quality ...3 6 3 14;Suekling ealves 22 0 29 0 Prime crse.-wlled.4 0 4 4,Quarter old pigs 21 0 27 0 TOTAL SUPPLY. FOREIGN SUPPLY. Beasts .. ••• • .. ... •• • 991 j Beasts ••• • . .. •••• .. • 110 Sheep ••••..•••• .. • • • • .. 3,?89 Sheep • • ...... 10 Calves .. 33 Calves... •.• ..... • ...... • • 32 Figs 310 Pigs.— •.. • ••.... • • .. NEWGATE AND LEADENHALL. The trade generally ruled brisk, as follows : Per Sibs by the carcase. s. d. e. d. a. d. s. d. Beof, interior 2 8 3 0 ] Nfutt4n, Inferior 2 8 3 0 Do., middling 3 2 3 6 i Do., middling 3 2 3 6 Do. prime large.. 3 3 3 10 Do., prime 3 8 4 2 De , do. small ....4 0 4 2 Veal 3 10 6 0 fork, large ,3 2 3 10 Pork, small 4 0 4 10 BOROUGH HOP. We have a fair demand for all good and fine hops, at full prices. Inferior kinds, however, are very dull, and fully 5s per cwt. lower. Nearly 400 b.des of foreign hops have come fresh to hand this week. Mill and East Kent pockets, 3/ 53 to 6/ lOs per cwt ; Weald of Kent, 3/ Os to 5/ lOs ; Sussex, 2/ 1 to 4/ 15s. COLONIAL. TEA.—There has been a rather better demand for gun powder, even congou brought Sid per lb; purchasers are waiting the result of the public sale advertised for Friday. SUGAR.—More firmness has been exhibited in the mar ket., and holders are expecting enhanced rates; a fair quan tity has been taken for home consumption at rather higher rates. West India sold at an advance of about 6d to l per cwt; Demerara good to fine yellow 40s 6d to 41s 6d ; native Madras 301 to 325, very low wet to good bright brown 32s 6d ; Mauritius advanced about is per cwt, low to fine yellow 36s 6d to 41s, brown 32s to 365, and crysta lised 39s to 42s per cwt. The refined market has also been firmly supported, and grocery generally have bought freely. Euglish crushed sold at 32. to 328 6d per cwt. COFFEE.—The market has been fluctuating, but holders of plantation and native Ceylon aro rather firm, and home dealers are cautious in their trans actions. Plantation good bold colory, 61a to Gig ; fine fine ord and low mid, 5Ss to 61s; find ord, 58s to 60s ; triage, 45s to 46s ; peaberry, 60s to 70s 6d per cwt. Native Ceylon has been dull, although sales were pressed on the market : good ordinary sold at 50s fid per cwt. Bahia, good export sorts, sold at 44s to 45s 64 per cwt. COCOA.—The demand continues dull, and to effect sales some sacrifice must be made, 38s. per cwt. being the highest offer for Bahia good rod. RICE continuos dull. Bold White Bengal sold for 13s 6d. and mid bold clean 13s per cwt. Rum.—The market is firmer; good brown Demerara sold at 2s 4d per proof gallon, Leewards 2s ld to 2s 2d per gallon. SPICES.—There has been a steady demand for Pimento, at rather higher rates ; middling to good middling, 43d to 4id per lb. Mace has been rather cheaper ; mid to bold pale red, 2s ld to 2s 2d ; mid pale, is lld ; and slightly monldy, is 6,1 to is Bd. Nutmegs—There has been but little alteration to notice in this article, prices remaining without change. Singapore small to good bold brown, i s 7,1 to Is 3 , 1 per lb. Pepper remains steady ; Sumatra blacks, 51 , 1 to sd; low Penang, &id ; Singapore white,7Ad to 7,1,1 ; Penang, 7;irl to 74d. Cochineal continues firm ; Teneriffe mid to good black, 4s 2d to 4s 4d ; Mexican silver, 3s 8.1 to is 9d ; blacks, 3s 9d to 3s 11 , 1 ; Honduras, 5s to 5a lld ; low, 4s Id to 4s 2d. Saltpetre is dud, at about previous rates. TALLOW.—The market is quiet, at former rates. DREADFUL MURDER AT LIVERPOOL. LlvEnrooL, Wednesday. At an early hour this snorniog the inhabitants of Cnisenhale-street, Clement street, and the locality of VAuxhall-road and Great Howard-street, near the first-named streets, were thrown into a state of great excitement by a report that a man had been murdered during the night, robbed, and the body drazged into a long and narrow passage running between Chisenhale-street and Clement-street. Hundreds of persons soon congregated about the spot, and, between five and six o'clock, one or two inspectors and several police•constables arrived. The body of a man, apparently about 35 years of age, was fnund lying extended upon his hack in the centre of the pwage known as " Baggin's Entry," which leads from Knight's-buildings into Vauxhall-road, one way, and into Great Howard-street on the other. This pas sage is not more than four feet wide, some 150 yards in length, and on either side there is a dead wall, or the hacks of a miserable lot of t'uilding,s, said to be tenanteo by the worst characters in Liverpool. The murdered man ba,l neither coat, vest, he, nor boots on ; he wore black cloth trousers, a fancy shirt with studs down the front ; his trousers pockets were turned inside out, and nothing was found upon him to afford aay clue as to who or what he was. Around his neck was a small scarf, the ends of which lay in opposite directions. The scarf was tight when found, and the appearance of the throat left no doubt that the man had been strangled. Near where the body was - found there were marks on the brick wall as though they were made in a struggle; and it is suoposed that more than one person was en gaged in the murder. It was stated by persons who reside in Chisenhale. street that hetwesn nine and tin o'clock la,t night, a man, answering the descriptku of the deceased, was seen in Joseph Tyrer's spirit vaults, the sign of the Grzpes, in Clement-street, in the company of a girl of bad re pute, and•that although the man was net drunk he had been dri, king. The landlord, however, bad no recollec tion of seeing them. Frum the appearance of the deceased and his dress— all that was left—it is supposed that he was mate of a ♦essel, but this is only conjecture, and that having visited a house of ill-fame, ho got robbed, turned out, and was strangled, The police are engaged in making inquiries. THE OLD SOLDIERS OF THE FRENCH EMPIRE. The Moniteur publishes the following account of the labours, to the end of 1855, of the commis sion appointed to examine into the claims of the old soldiers of the Republic and of the Empire : "In November, 1854, the Grand Chancellor of the Order of the Legion of Honour sent in a report to the Emperor on the labours of the commission up to that time. At that period the number of old soldiers admitted to the benefit of the decree of the 14th Dec., 1851, and of the law of June 10, 1853, was 17,019, thus divided :—Octogenarians, 2,245 ; septuagenarians, 8.157 ; and sexagenarians, 6,617. Since the Ist of November, 1854, the ad mission of other claimants has gone on in a re gular manner, his Excellency, at the recommenda tion of the commission, having granted life allow ances to 4,425 fresh members, viz. :-655 octoge narians, 2,373 septuagenarians, and 1,397 sexage narians. From the Ist January, 1852, to the 31st December, 1855, pensions have thus been granted to 21,444 old soldiers. The number of deaths which have been notified to the Grand Chancellor up to this time amounts to 5,133, of whom 1,165 were octogenarians, 2,802 septuagenarians, and 1,166 sexagenarians A decision of the 21st March, 1852, conferred on the Grand Chancellor the power of awarding to the widows or relatives, of the deceased the part.of the life grant unpaid at the moment of their decease. It is in virtue of that power that the Grand Chancellor, on the pro position of the prefects , has just ordered the sum of 120,984 f. 5 0 c. to be divided among 2,239 claimants, as heirs to the deceased members," CITY OP LONDON THEATRE. PRESENTATION OF A GOLD ALBERT CHAIN TO MR. NELSON LEE. - - --- Tuesday being the fiftieth representation of the pan tomime, Mr. Johnson, one of the lessees, presented his partner and the author, Mr. Nelson Lee, with a massive gold Albert chain, valued at 20 guineas, as a token of respect, and to commemorate the unprecedented success attending the " Fox and the Grapes," his 199th panto mime. We know of no gentleman more deserving. The dollars brought by the last West India steamer have been taken to day for China at 60(1. per ounce, being an alliance of id. on the price obtained for the last large arrival, although some small amounts have been sold in the interval at the rate now fixed. The bar sil ver has not yet been disposed of. AN UNDERGRADUATE OF OXFORD DROWNED.—Yes terday Mr. William Thomas Lane, commoner of Pem broke College, Oxford, was drowned by the upsetting of a " dingy" at the junction of the Cherwell and the Isis. A friend who was with bins managed to get across the boat as it floated upside down, and was rescued. Mr. Lane only entered this term, and, singular to say, he occupied Mr. John's rooms, who, it will be recollected, was also unfortunately drowned last term. be•tetli. CompAn London /2 4 N. We't. G. &N. W. Calodon... E. Un. Rnl C 1 at.Nrtoo. r,. Count. Caldonian. (.It. Went Yk. New. & Berw. Y. &N Do Do. .. . ... 8. Easter! j)o Peto & Ca Norfolk Do L.& N. W & Midld, Stckton h Darlingt. Ntidland.. pn. Conn. E. Count. D 0... Po L. & N. W, Do (encash Yorksl T. Bras sy Melon iteekt. Darlingt Do 'estn. C.osin.s rrle.r yesterday. 94 - 96 94 - 98 131 - 135 4k ... 4t ... Ca. 107 13 I:ia 23; —24 f .07i 112; - 2i 92 - P - iP 55 - - 8 3 - 311 -32 i 83 85 liAltEl.i ... --- $ - 1 - ;2 - 65 - 67 100 - 111 103 105 11' - 10 ••• 8 fia 91. 81 b 3 80 8t 85 100 10f lei 10} 72 194 94 14f 134 THE CRINIEIN CONIMISSION. Lord PANM.URE announced that her Majesty by the advice of her Ministers had appointed a board of general officers to inquire into the matters adverted to in the report made by the Com►nissioners sent out to the Crimea. That board would have the power to recsive and to consider the different statements of those officers whose conduct bad been animadverted on in the report alluded to. The Earl of HARDWICKE said it was his opinion that the very moment the report in question had been placed in the hand.; of the Commander-in• Chief, the na tural and proper course for that distinguished individual to pursue would have been immediately to order a full and searching inquiry into the conduct of those officers charged in that report with mis conduct. He thought that the situation of those officers was one of a very painful and delicate character. They had been obliged to bear the obloquy of public opinion, and to endeavour to redress their own grievances by their own bands in the public prints. Lord PANAIURE denied that the Government could act otherwise than they bad alreadidone:—.7ll;;;pub lished the report as soon as it was possible after they had read it, and now certain officers who felt themselves aggrieved by it thought that they were improving their position by publishing at once their own defence in the public papers. Tnis was no fault of his. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH asked whether the Commission would have thepower to examine witnesses? Lord PANMURE answered in the affirmative. Earl GREY thought that the subject was too im portant to be introduced in this irregular manner. A course had now been taken by the Government which might lead to serious consequences. The usual way for the Government to pursue was to declare their judg ment on the report in question, and to state what ulterior proceedings ought to be founded on that report. After a few observations from Earl GRANVILLE and Lord BROUGHAM, the subject dropped. THE WAR DEPARrMENTS. The Earl of DERBY, in rising (ac3ording to notice) to put a question and move for a paper upon this sub ject, said the important conversation 'which had just oc curred had afforded a strong reason for the question which he rose to put to the Government, and was neither in point of time inapprorriate nor unimportant in relation to the interests of the service and to recent changes in dif ferent departments. For the due administration of the pub lic service, where there were two departments connected in the slightest degree, there were two things absolutely essential, without which it must sustain serious injury. The first was, that the duties of those two departments should be so distinctly defined, their r esponsibilities so ascertained, and the limits of their authority and juris diction so clearly set forth, as that there should be no possibility of conflict of authority between the two departments on matters relating to them both. And the next thing necessary was, that in carrying on the business of the departments there should be on the part of their respective heads a mutual desire to facilitate the public duties by each carefully avoiding encroachment upon the authority of the other, while prepared to afford each other cordial assistance in performing their public duties. The necessity for these conditions became the greater in proportion as the two departments were brought into habitual arid daily contact, and in propor tion as their business was intertwined so as to bring them into continual communication with each other, which ought to be of the most unreserved and confiden tial character. Within the course of the last year—after the appointment of a Secretary for the War Depart ment —in the transactions which took place with regard to the constitution 'of, the militia, there was considerable inconvenience and complaint arising out of the contradictory orders—especially as to the ques tions of furlough—proceeding from the Secretary of War aid the Secretary for the Home Department. This ha-I arisen from the circumstance that the Int& a, though generally under the Home Depart ment, was then in course of embodiment, and conse quently became a quasi military force, under the authority of the War Department. Teat, however, was an instance in which inconvenience had arisen from the authorities of two departments not being clearly de fined. And it was impossible not to remember that much of the disaster and distress which had arisen in the Crimea might have been avoided if there had been is certain departments greater readiness to take upon them selves a degree of responsibility beyond• the strict limit of their duty upon the occurrence of any emergency. At• the came time (continue] the noble earl) difficulties ari-o and inconveniences result from the existence of doubts as to in whose department certain services lie, which are essential for carrying on the operations of the army. I mention these things only as an illustration of the ge neral principles which I have enunciated, and the importance of a thorough understanding of the respec tive duties and responsibilities of departments which have to act to ;ether ; and I am sure my noble friend at the head of the War Department will agree with me that if there be two departments whose joint action and co-operation are more important than any two others, because of the more frequent communications which take place between them ' they are the one pre sided over by the noble l or d (Lord Panmure), and that of which my noble frigid the Commander-in-Chief is th e head. The office of Secretary for the War Department., as your lordships are aware, is one of recent in trolue tion, and when it was proposed to separate the duties of that department from those of the C donial Depart ment, I endeavoured to ascertain from the nobbe. earl (Aberdeen) then at the head of the Gus ernment what fb w woye e r ; N e al te W ar, be t to rcb,oei out the p t) Colonial same a r s ccei Secretary. coulddeo tuatrigetyes. an functions ctolh of t caaondus lwd he been answer, except getSecretaryperformed nnone n e bu o S tf thatbet -re rye nega tive answers. The Secretary for the War Dept tment was not to interfere with the patronage ; he was not to interfere with the discipline ; he was not to inter fere with promotion in the army ; he was not to interfere with the militia; ho was not to have any thing to do with the ordnance ; in short, the answers I received were a succession of negations as to the duties to be performed by the head of the new de partment. I had myself for some tine the honour of filling the office of Colonial Secretary, never at a time of war, except that which could hardly be textile I war, viz., when this country sent out an expedition against China. At that time I received most valuable assistance from my noble friend above me (the Earl of Elleuborough) who was then about to set out to assume the go veroment of India, from which part of the world the forces were to be sent out in aid, and from which the operations were in a great measure to be conducted. But, with regard to the ordinary duties of a colonial secretary—and in that matter I am sure I shall be borne out by the exper'ence of all those who have filled the office—all I can say is, that they were of the most trivial and insignificant kind. They consisted, in the first place, in signing warrants for commissions for any. officers who might happen to be in the colonies ; next, in taking the Queen's plea sure in regard to the decorations of the Order of the Batb, when it was proposed to confer it upon any officer in the service, which was always done on the recommen dation of the head of the department to which the officer might belong—the Commander-in-Chief, with regard to the army; the First Lord of the Admiralty, with respect to the navy; and the President of the Board of Control, with relation to the Company's service. The only real business, and I must say the portion which was the least satisfactory, I ever had to de with was the correspondence, which was generally of rather a protracted and dilatory character, which took place between the governors of co lonies, the Beard of Ordaance, the Treasury, and the Co lonial Secretary, whenever it happened that any arrange ments had to be made with regard to barracks and other buildings in the colonies. That was all the business which the Secretary for the Colonial Department had to perform, and that, as I have said before, was conducted most un satisfactorily. I do not mean to say that in time of war the duties of a colonial secretary werean odfhaonwuenveimr unceas.portant or trivial character. On the contrary, they are of s u c h im portance and magnitude as at w bitni e l l ie ln b i e gh in t u f s e t ov b e e r , w w h i e t l h many i m n g a however o attention.we v e rg r e a t F h o irs the time refe rence to military operations abroad, supreme. He must be responsible to the Crown and the country for the due conduct and operations of the war. Re is responsible also, no doubt, in common with the Cabinet of which he is a member, for the selection of the officers, especi ally of the commander-in-chief, and I presume also, to a considerable extent, for the selection of the offi cers upon whom are to devolve important commands ; he must have the entire control over the operations of the war, of the commander of the forces, of the forces of the Admiralty, although presided over by another Cabinet Minister ; of the commissariat, of the transport board, and even of the Treasury itself. All must be to a certain degree superintended and adminis tered by him, and it is his duty to combine and concert together the various powers and authorities of all those departments in such a manner as to conduce to the re sult—namely, the proper carrying on of the belligerent operations of the country. Therefore I say that the duties of the Secretary of State for the War Department in time of war are of such an exceptional character that he may also be considered, for that time, a dictator, even over his colleagues. There was no amount of powee, and, at the same time, no amount of responsibility, which ought not to be thrown upon him with regard to the conduct of the war. But the que Lion to which. I atu about to call your lordships' attention has no reference whatever to this exceptional case which I have been ' a ample employment to the new war minister, inasmuch as on all occasions of a foreign war it had been the . duty of the Secretary of State to conduct the correspondence with the generals commanding the troop s abroad, who all took th e i r o r d ers directly from him. That was en much the case that the Commander-in -Chi e f did not cor respond officially at all with the commander of the forces. But it v. at found, from the very commencement of the war, that difficulties arose in consequence of the collisions which took place between different departments, all con ducting different branches of the military administration. At tuat time the commissariat was under the direo tion of the Treasury ; the Ordnance was a distinct depart. ment in itself, and the Secretary of State and the Secre tary at War hail two distinct and separate offices. Before I had been very long in the office of Minister of War I found it was absolutely necessary that the Ordnance should be under my sole and entire control, as far as its civil branches were concerned, and that I should have. the su perintendence of all the arrangements connected with stores and contrac of the army, and so strong were my convictions upon those points that even in the midst of war at a time when great changes could not be m a d e without considerable inconvenience, I deemed it indispensable that those additional branches of military service should be brought within my immediate jurisdiction.. All ;the civil departments of the army—all that relates to the Ordnance Department—all that relates to the clothing of the army —all that relates to the store-keeper's department—all that relates to the contracts and to the snppliee—and all that relates to the manufacture of those supplies, are now under the control of the Secretary for War; and I may add that since that control .has been committed to my hands I have been enabled, with the assistance of the gentlemen engaged in the War Office, to secure for the British army abroad ample supplies not only of all the materials of war, but also such supplies of the necessaries and even comforts of life as must render the condition of that army an object of deep gratification to year lordships en I the country at large. (Hear.) After all the civil departments of the army had been brought under one and the same control, 1 took care that all the military departments should be placed in their proper re lative positions; and the result of the important changes that have been accomplished in the latter direction is, that now for the first time the Conanaander-in-Chief of the British army is commander, in fact as well as in name, of every arm in the service—of the artillery and engineers, not less than of the cavalry ant the troops of the line. In carrying out these extensive reforms, it was impossible to lay down on paper any rules which should establish a dis tinct line of demarcation applicable to every case between the civil and military departments of the service. It is true that an attempt was made to lay down some such line of demarcat'ea in a paper drawn up in the year 1812. A very long controversy had at that time arisen between the then Secretary at War and the Commander-in -Chief. I have read at the War-office the correspondence through which that controversy was conducted, and I may observe that I have found therein exhibited on the part of a noble friend of mine (Lord Palmerston, we believe), that talent which has since so signally developed itself, and a hich has been productive of so much benefit to his country. But the controversy to which I am referring was solved by an order in council in the year 1812, which laid down to a certain extent a very broad line of demarcation between the War-office and the Horse Guards, and that line of demarcation has bean observed ever 'since. But the line'is not rigidly defined, and it is quite impossible it could be so, because questions arise every day in which points of discipline and points of administration are so nicely mixed up, that it would be utterly out of the power of any man, however skilful, to determine pre cisely where the one jurisdiction should commence, and where the other should end. Many of these questions aro settled by means of private communications between any noble friend the Commander-in -Chief and myself, as simi lar questions had been settled at la former period between me and tl e Duke of wellington, when I had been engaged in the office of Secretary at War. Those questions are settled amicably between the two departments ; and I can not conceive that any such rupture should arise between the Commander-'n-Chief and the Secretary for Wur as could lescl to the necessity of having recourse to that ap peal to the First Lord of the Treasury provided in the do cument of the year 1812. But it is Impossible that some difficulty should not occasionally arise in drawing the lino of demarcation between the two. offices. For instance, that difficulty presented itself in the very case of an inspector of fortifications to which the noble earl had referred, for an inspector of fortiscations had civil as wellas military duties to petforrn—civil duties in the erection of i arreces, and military duties in the erection of places of mere defence. Under these circumstances it appears to me that to attempt to lay down by any definition a strict line of demarcation. between civil and military duties in the management of the army would only be to attempt to frame a rule which should be revised from day to day, nay, from hour to hour. Charged as lam with the einierintendence of the civil de partment of the service, I hold myself responsible for all the appointments made i' that department ; but I must neceneirily leave t he ih tails of business to the officers over whom lam placed. I have great coutidence in their dis cretion. I toe satisfied that no man should be introduced it t r cur of the offices of the department who is not so far fitted for them as to be able to pass the examinations re quired by the civil service entuinissioners ; and I take tare thas, after he has so passed ho shall rely for promotion on his merits. and on his merits :Cone. Such is the state of things with regard to the ilepartment of the Secretary for War. With regard to the present state of the Horse Guards, all ti at I have to say may be summed up in these few words—that the Commander-in-Chief still continues to adm nist arid the discipline of the army sin teterfered with uncontrolled by the Secretary for War. He still continues L. mita raster the patronage of the army uninterfered with end uncontrolled by the Secretary for War, further than that in all the superior eppeintinints, either ted imental or on the staff, lie consults the Secretary for War, before ho takes the pleasure of the Crown with respect to them. and so far time Minister for War renders himself responsible for the acts of the Commander-in-Chief. The Secretary for War di es not interfere in the first ap pointments to the army ; bus at the same time I do not deny that I ought, perhaps, to be considered legally re sponsible for these appsiutan eats. because there is no act of the Commander-in-Chief, however small or however great, that does not consistutionally chine within the revision my department. (Hear.) That is the pre sent state of then) two departments. I have already said enough to show that I conceive it would be impossible for time so frame any document which would precisely de fine the respective duties of the Commander-in -Chief and of the Secret:ray for IVer. Bet I must say that in all ma terial points the line of demarcation between the two de partments Lis so groat that no necessity can exist for atteinptine to draw up any such document. But there re mained behind the important question raised by the noble earl, es to chat are the iutentious of her Majesty's Govern ment with respect te the continuance of the present rela tive powers of tho Secretary fur War and the Cowman. der-in-Chief. My lords, it would be quite useless for na to attempt now to shrink prom a ca n4deration of that question. W all know perfectly well that it largely occu pies the public mind, and that it is much discussed in the public prints ; and I believe, therefore, that it is now high time for the army and the county to be made acquainted with the views of her Majesty's Govern ment upon the subject. Hitherto the Crown has ad ministered the patronage of the army through the Com mander-in-Chief; aid through him the Crown has con (lasted the discipline of Ihe army. But the Crown would not be able either to almitiister the patronage of the army, or to conduct its discipline, unless Parliament in the first instance granted the money required fen' the maintenance of the troops, and passed the Mutiny Act, by which they were made amenable to military law. And while Parlia ment continues to possess the power of voting the supplies for the army and of passing the Mutiny Act, it is useless to say that its constitutional powers over the army is not ample and complete. But you would final that you would have to deal with a different state of circumstances if you were to determine that noble lords and hon. gentlemen, as well as officers in the army, should have to look to the Minis. try of the day for the introduction of their eons to the ser vice, and for their subsequent promotion while they should continue attached to it. I say that such an arrangement would he as fatal to the efficiency of the army as it would ul timately be unsatisfactory to the people generally of this country. (Hear, hear.) An idea has got abroad that the ma nagement of the p. trormee and discipline of the army is in the hands o fen officer not himself directly responsible toPar hal-mut, and even that in his casenoiesponsibility atoll to Parliament exists ; but there never was a norie erro neous ioise essiou. An idea has also got abroad that inthe hands of the Commander-in-Chief the patronage of the army is exercised unfairly, and even that it is exercised in obedience to some secret influence ou the part of the Crown itself; but a greater mistake than this again was nevermade. It may be, my birds, that in dealing with this question, I am taking what is at present the unpopular side; but I am quite sure that if I were to advocate asyste o which should place the patronage of the army in the hands s t i h ch e day to we should have Parliament interfering from to day in the administration of the discipline of the troops. tc (Hear.) I believe we should thus establish a of pra e o r i a ta . which could not tend to promote the interests and, th there tion, onto uphold the dignity of the Crown; as am from experience that the present y fore, looking at all the circumstances of con vincedthecasesanstdem.the one best calculated to n i de give general satisfaction, theotnma t is my intention to support ti.e a ut r i a o s ze of I y can, the connection which and to maintain, as which the Crown at prem tnelds through the Commander inwith the army. I can see no constituti ona l ob jection jeio h r i i e to f that course. None of the commissions whi c h have inquired into the state of our - military administra tion have seen their way to the abolition of the office of Commander-in - Chief. The commission of the year 1837 stated that they had no int entiou of altering the relative positions of the Commander-in-Chief and the civil rtdminise tration of the army. I saw uo reason myself to change the opinion I have hitherto always held upon•that. sukject: I meat further say that during the period when I had the honour of filling the office of Secretary at War while the Dike of - Wellington was Commander-in-Chief, I never knew that great man to have exercised unfairly the pa tronage of the army; and having been connected by friend ship and by public duties with my noble friend the pre sent Commander-in -Chief, I will publicly say that any charge that may have been made against him of nial-ad ministration in dispensing the patronage of the army. is utterly false as far as my knowledge goes. (Eleasr,) been know no man to whose hands so great a trust ha s committed that has more worthily used it. Lase now t ; on s a p n u s a t f r o . e d m , I e will only say that trust if ever this questaiord ships will Ur 0 hboypettveitnhosbulefficeiaelnit;dailtailn, citt!(nlicensoicialjugesaic4nune,tai be brought under our consideration, your carefully deliberate before you determine the authority of the Crown over the.dendici through p n s t h r nng -1 discipline danicad the Cora age of the army, as at p mander-in-Chief, or on reasletenitinegxetrhce" relations which now d saldressed their subsistlord- State obret War.ween highttcahtee (Cheers.) s-) functionary and the Secretary of Lord HARDINGE then rose an l :—My l.ordsiev.l.m..eroy_rise for ships to the following Earl of Derby). He stated that (the the purpose of noticingeff:tobservation such fell from my he e ob t l h e ander-in-Chief ought to have taken officers ap whose conduct • was iinpunged in the report which was lately presented to the house. I ht the o o p C f o o s t a a i h t e rn e the friendu defenceg did not read that report until the 30th of Janu'arY, and aa soon as I read it I put myself in communication - with my ' noble friend behind me (Lord Panmure), and I c Incurred with him that the means by which we ought to da %al wifils the questions raised by the report was the appointn tent off' a court of inquiry, constituted after the manner 0f the , court which had sat in the year 1808. I told the adjna • ante general I wished he should state to both my noble fri .ends whose conduct had been impugned, that I was anxious they should send me copies of the report, accompanied by 441sT nt might-have -to make upon it; and :also comments dt s h i e hey t any officers in this country whet were ire pli cated In-Hie report should not return .to. the Crimes ,ja order that they might be here to facilitate the proposed in quiry. I felt great difficulty in taking any st "",. 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