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PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, FRIDAY, JUN 10. -.I 1. .._„. The LORD CHANCELLO ft, the Earl of SRA" , T ESBURY, and '_Lord MELvir.LE,sat as Commissioners, and notified the Royal assent to the Excise of Sweets' Bill, his% Public Airorks Bill, Isle of Man Bill, Irish Distress Impounding Bill, Irish Court of Cha'icery Bill, Irish Bankers Bill, Irish Joint Stock Compa ries' Bill, and several Private Bills. The Bishop of CHESTER entered into an explanation re specting a misstatement of what he had said upon a petition .from Preston, respecting the Catholic claims. Ile read a letter from the Maynr, which complained, that the Right Reverend Prelate had said that no respectable person had .signed the pe 'titidri.'" 'This was an eriorin thb report of his speech ; for he had not said that " none," but 4 .' only".afew had signed - The Right Rev. Prelate made some other observations, ;which were not distinctly heard below the bar. The Merchants and Factors Bill passed through a Comiittee. Lord SUFFIELD presented a petition from Glossop; rela tive to the hours . of labour in cotton.mahufactories of children' twat 16 years of age. ' On the Noble Lord's motion,the Cotton Factories 'Labours Bill was referred to a Committee. Hemmed that the principal alteration made by this Bill, .from the law as at present exist_ . lag. related to the time of labour, which it limited to nine boors on Saturday. On every other day, it remained the same as before. The Duchess of Kent's Annuity Bill passed through a_ Corn. mittee. The. report en the County Courts Bill was postponed till to which day the House adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. COMMISSION. At half-pafAr three o'clozlt she House teas surntnoned to tha House DI Lords, to hear the Royal Assent .given by Commis -- , c 1". to several public and rrivate SPEAICER, on his return, informed the House of the .uames of the Bills to whom the loyal Assent had been given. —I:For which see the article under the head'or " Parliamentary - Proceedings.) HANTS AND BERKS CANAL. C. DUNDAS moved that a further time be allowed to ..he Committee to make their Report on the Hants and Barks • Canal Bill. He thought the 20th June a convenient time. _Fir. F. PALMER was opposed to the Bill in tow. The lamieu proprietors locally affected were hostile to the measure. They were against it in the proportion of ten miles, while its si.;pporiers wereconfined to the proprietors of five or six furlongs of the intended line. _ . A LCRAFT recommended the abandonment of the rext Sessions. fie disapproved of the proposed ex: ters'an of the Report, and would take the sense of the House ' r sir. BRIGHT supported the Bill. ' • efter a few obiervations from Mr. Jones, Mr. Alderman • Weed, Mr. Alderman Heygate, Sir J. Newport, and Mr. A. Bating, the }lonic divided, when there appeared= For the motion 65 Against it Majority _oft - WEST INDIA STEAM NAVIGATION BILL. West India .Steam Navigation Bill was read a third .:tre e, ardpassed IRISH MINING BILL. The Irish Mining and Joint-Stack Company Bill for the en seeeeseement of manufactures in that country, .was read a third end passed. BRISTOL TOWN AND-MAYOR'S DUES BILL. - Mr. H. DAVIS presented a petition from the Bankers and 31teshants of Bristol, for the introduction of a clause protecting their Interests in the Bristol Town Dues Bill. Mr. fl. DAVIS moved the third reading of the Bristol Town • . Dee,: Bill. Mr. BROGDEN moved the introduction of a clause to the effect that nothing in the Act should be construed to extend he rights of the Mayor and Corporation of Bristol. Aner a few words front Mr. Bntowr, Mr. LITTLETON, Mr. ,!‘l.o;sr.t.i., and Mr. Men Etter, Sir J. NEWPORT said the intention of the Committee was that tie rights of all.parties should be saved harmless.—(Hear, . heart , —As the Bill stood at present it gave the Corporation le , oi and took away from the people all power to prose ce te :i Court of Law what they considered their just claims. e ?eld, therefore, oppose the ,Bill, unles,e the saving clause Is es :e:roduced. ly:r. 11. DAVIS supported the amendment. Mr. W. WHITMORE ...said if . the saving clause were not he also should oppose the Bill. After a few words from an Hon. -Member, • whose name we come Let ascertain, strangers were ordered to withdraw. No diiision took place, and the further considerarion of the was postponed to Monday next. GRANT TO .THE-DCKE OF CUMBERAND. On on: re-entering the Gallery,. we found the CHANCELLOR uf EXcliECtuF:a upon his legs, limiting the third reading t':c fluke of Cumberland's Annuity Bill. The Marquis of TAVIsTOCK saitl, that as this was the last opportunity which the House would have for discussing the subject, he rose, though with considerable reluctance, to _mate the grounds upon which he objected to this grant to his . Royal Highness tile Duke of Cumberland. He objected to it upw: three grounds : first, because it was more than was wanted for the purpose to which it -was to be applied ; secondly, be '...c.aes.e it established a bad precedent': and lastly, and more than alt die rest, because it was demanded for one purpose, and was p:;;; to be applied to another.—(Hear !)—lf the grounds on venue:}'- this grant was called -for :were not as he had stated, he citi!ed eoon the Chancellor of the Exchequer to state that the whoi3 or it would he required for the education of the young Prince of Uumheriand.—(Hear ' hear, hear !)--If the Right Honourable Gentleman would lay his hand upon his heart and ray that tie believed that the whole-of the-grant would be expended is the education of that young Prince; he'(the'Mar . 4104 of - Tavistock) would believe that it would be-so applied, though at the same time he must think that the expenditure wail l be .most lavish and extravagant. - He was, 'however, 412.7 C • that the Right Honourable Gentleman would not make f such declaration. lie hail a high opinion of the integrity o. i,(l :tight Honourable Gentleman.—.(Cries of " Hear" from al! sides of the Hosote4—Though he (the Marquis of Tavi= stock) had not the honour of any acquaintance with the Right liontorable Gentleman, he could assure hint that he had -no-, wish to find fault with any of his measures. Having such a feeling towards him, lie was sorry that the Right Honourable, teeethernan had not fairly faced the real question, and asked the House to make an additional grant of 6.01/01. to the in cense of the Duke of Cuenbesiand. If tile Right Honourable Gentleman had -proposed such a grant, he (Or one would not have objected to IL—Wear l)—As far as he had heard; there was no specific charge ever brought forward against----his Royal fliehneee' the Duke of Cumberland, and though it was true that he had somehow or other forfeited the good opinion of the public, his Royal Highness had been sufficiently punished for that misfortune already, end lie thought that it would he harsh to withhold from his Royal Highness that allowance -which had been already granted' to the other • members 'of the Itoyal Family. Though he.. should not have. objected to a .direet grant to the Duke of Cumberland, lie disliked granting money for one purpose, which he' kneW was to be applied. to another; and he objected to the dishonest way in which it was now attempted to obtain it from the' public;—(Hear !)—He was certain that in private life the Right Honourable Gentle man would not condescend to' practise so paltry a trick ;' and he was sorry that -he .had condescended to give it his coun tenance in his public -capacity.—(Hear I)—He• had another objection to this grant. By giving so large a sum at pre - .sent- to the child of a junior branch of-the Royal Family, _ doh House would be establishing a precedent against itself, which. it would, be extremely inconvenient to' follow.He apologized for taking up the .time of the House; but a sense Of ditty • compelled him to do so. -It was now some time since his health h a d .a ll ore d him to. bear a share in their debates ; but he had; nevertheless, felt an anxious interest in the poli tic:: of the country, and an earnest desire to preserve its glory. antk,its character' untarnished. He had witnessed with pleasure die improved system.-of government, and the wise and liberal policy which had recently been adopted n -by -Hi s -Majesty's Ministers', especially by thd RightHonourable -Secretary for Foreign Affairse—(Hear !)- . —He was therefore now at a,loss how to express the astonishment which he f felt at seeing them risking their good name, and the greet popularity tlsey had so .justly squired, by inakinr, themselves parties to a juggle like the present.—(Hear, hear I)—The disappointment which he felt at tjieir conduct was the. greater, because ire thOught that we had at last got an administration which was too honest for a purpose like the present, and which was ince pable. of lending itself to so arrant a job.—(Heae !)—ln con clusion_e the Noble Marquis returned his sincere thanks to the Hen. Member for Winchelsea for the persevering opposition .which he bail given to the present grant.—(Hear!) • General rAisItIER said, he had hitherto taken - no part in t:be'question, as he could not give a silent vote, and was unwi.h • ling to trouble the House with his opinion but further.consi -dtratiOneand justice to the party whose honour and interests were at stake, determined him to combat his reluetancn to ad dress it. He was one of those whO in the fortneOnstancehad s u pported the motion for the same, i ncre ased allowance to 'the Duke of Cumberland that was voted to his brothers under the same circumstances; and had always' considered the rejection. -of these measure an act of injustice to his Revd Highness, and an insult to the honour and feelings of the Crown. It was therefale solely upon thatground that he must vote forth e present bill, con demning it in all other.respects. He had before declared, and now repeated his conviction, that the only real enemies of the Crown were its own Ministers ; norsinee he had been in Parlia ment did he remember a single question wherein its honour and interests were concerned, that all the (Heck - edit brotightfillto itwas not solely to be intnited to them. They, and not the.people, were its constitutional advisers, anti their neglect compelled others to the painful and invidiouS task of doing their duty for them.— Either they , dursteriot telle..the Crdwnn the truth, purposely brought it into collision with the people to divert their atten tion from acts of deeper mischief, and thus throw a tub to the whale. How else was-dreier:induct tobeexpleainetle-unless, ouch was the force of habit - , they could not pursue a straightsourse when nothing stood in their way ? As to the present Bill, had they only renewed it in its former shape, with the simple state ment that his Royal Highness, after ten Years' absence * , Was desirous of returning to England with his family, in the only way that:Consistently :eith his liZhoiii - and interest, he could return- , viz, by placed upon the same footing as the other branches of the Crown—the' present ground of objections to the Bill would not.have ekisted ; instead of which, Ministers rhea not only run their heady against a wall; bethactually built it for the purpoSe. In place of a . grant of tiNtli to the only party wishing it, they called upon Parliament for doilble the amount, for reasons false in themselves, or which, if true, were revolting to the sense and feelings of the people, and hu sniliating to all the parties brought forward in .the course of the debate, excepting that illustrious female, wheSe exemplary .conduce had spoken for itself, andar,ine..ii her the esteem and "adiniration of the Country. But The individual who, if not a party to the act, had been ,placed by Ministers in an invidious light, was he, whose splendid 'means, afforded him by the country; had hitherto prevented that application to Parliathent which the Chancellor of the Exeliequer, the guardian of the public purse and the honour of the Crown, had now deemed to be necessary, and to whom he Toilet say, that upon the face of that application, discredit attached -somewhere, and who ever...the cap fitted, the party. ought to-weer it. But his chief obiect in. addressing. the House,. was to defend the individual whose personal character - had been the sole . ground of oppo sition to that grant in a former instance, the real object of the present bill ; and with respect to which, no Member of that House at that time felt a. stronger prejudice against the party than himself, forreasonS connected with his political conduct; but. the same motive. which_ had Alictateti ,Isis former Sote„ called on _him now to declare his conviction, that no man had been more grossly calumniated than.,hist!Royal Highness. As to. his politics, was it unnatural that, _born and . educated at Court,-with a Bishop for_hiktutor,,he.ehoulki be a Tory in his principles, and like all others, whatever they might pretend, an enemy_to civil and religious -liberty ? But in private life, he I;new, and would answer for the_fact,. that, h,s Royal High ness was in all. respects a manly, open.. honourable charactei', a most kind and affectionate litiband; further, that he .eras neither a spendthrift. nor a gambler r.letit front the liberality of his nature, had been led_ into difficuldee which had compelled him to reduce his establishment _and live abroad, because the House of fommon, in the exercise of its discretion, had .with held that assistance which would have. prevented the necessity. .Lastly, as to the cause of his unpopularity, ,which a. Right _Hon. Gentleman had ascribed principally to his marriage ; the real ground had been . stated by another Hon. 31ember—viz., his zeal in the service of those AO their "No Popery" cry had turned out their opponents; but the crime. brought its own plinishinent, in the resentment of the persons lie had offended; whilst he was deserted by his own party, especially that• indie vidual who had made a tool of him, as he had since made of another, and. who, for which last act, deserved impeachment as much as anv Minister who had yet been brought to the acadhld.• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Was sorry that any act of his had reduced his character in the estimation of the Noble Marquis Opposite : but still he could say that the same motives which influenced him With respect to the present grant, were equally operative at this moment, notwithstanding all he had heard against this propositioh. Whether his opinion was right or wrong, he repeated that he maintained still the ne cessity of-placing additional means at the dispocal of hie Royal High n eis "th e - Dukeof-Cumberland; for the education Of :his: child in, England, which-cbildwas in the line of succession to the throne of these realms. Over ttn&over again; he must de clare that this grant was not intended as en addition to the in: come of the Duke of Cumberland for his Royal II ighneas's own' personal purposes ; and that if the - son-hail not been born, the proposed- addition -would 'not . have-been made. The%Kilo's Ministers, upon contemplating the neceas?tnef securing , for The Royal child an education in England,ifeltalleo the means of effecting_ such a purpoSe. shah ld Ise: *CO/at' tlt e- disposal of th e - Duke of Cumberland. . and, mote ;partichlarly. as. hisasliciyal Highness did not enjoy the addition of .5,001. a. year; which had been made a few years ago to the giber Priuces of the Royal Family. It .would be most inijusa of thlitinee to require his Royal Highness to.reside ..iu-7 Mil : couptranfoe the purpose of educating his child, and then ao,place him, by the transference of his residence, in a worse-situation as to pecuniary matters than be stood in -before . such a requisition had been made.— He had on a former night aplained to the House, that in the circumstance .of their granting .this .annuity, ahem was no inconsisteacy with their former vote respecting the Duke of Cinnberland ; for the .subsequent birth of :the , child altered the nature of the proposition, and in submitting into the House he could meet the appeal of the Noble Marquise and declare that he felt himself • doing nothing , inconsistent with his sense of a duty es -an honest ,man.—(hear, hear, hear !)—While on his ; lege,: he e begged . to. emplaiie one point, in which, since he had last spoken on this subject, he found himself in error—it related to another tranettof the Royal , Family, namely, to his Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex.' On a former occasion he had said, that the bath: , to whom his Royal Highness had been married abroad, was in the receipnof 3,0001. or 4,0001. a-near from the Exchequer ; but-he had since been satisfied that the whole amount given to, that lady by the Crown was 2,0001. (clear of.deductions), had that the remainder of the 4,0001. or _whatever was the sum, was Paid-by till' Duke of' Sussex.—(Hear n hear !)—lt -was due .to his Royal Highness that he should make this explanation. . . • Mr.•TIERNEY said; that he donld not allow this,. tie last stage of the Bill, to pass without expressing the reasons -ivhich influenced him, to oppose • the grant in its present :font. 'lle begged the House to believe him when he deelared, that in judging of,this proposition he threw out of-his mind the former transactions relating to the Duke -of Cumberland,. and could' add, that were his'Royal Highitess the most popular prince in England; and one for whom he had the warmesnaffection, -still he should oppose such a motion as this, from the - mischievous principle avhich it embodied, and the unwarrantable precedent which it set. He begged the House, in the first place, to re collect the manner in which this subject had 'been - introtinced to" their consideration. ( Here -the Right Hon. Gentleman read the Message from the King for this grant, and received a verbal explanation respecting its form from the Chancellor of the EN chequer). How; he would ask, could the Government draw a d is tinctihnbetween the step which they no* primbsed, and that wh le) the llouse hadaiready twice rejected ? The very nature' of the . RoyalMeasage in each of these cases rendered the distinctiOn im possible. What had occurred since to alter the: elation of the par ties ? Nothing but the birth of. a child. stillein early infancy, -while a Parliamentary provision. of 6,0001. a year was required ' for his education forsooth ! - Before he went further, he must also complain of the manner in which the management of this proposition had been got up. 'The Chancellor of the Exchequer lied disavowed all -intention of unfair 'management, and •he rocatit not to impute to-him a's unworthy motive ;• nevertheless, in bringing this questioirforward e the Government had thought ptoperto. canple the tones of two children who -were very differ ently situated, The alteratioh -which had taken place in the families of the Dukes 7of- Kent .and Cumberland, since their marriages, when additional incomes were applied for, was this--.- the Duke of Kent had died, leaving his widow not the . itteome which he had himself enjoyed froneParliament. but merely her jointure, and an infant daughter. For the ecitteatioo of that daughter her Royal Highness applied not to Parliament al. though it was manifest her means would not erinbi6 her tomain ., tam it suitably whh its des:Med-station, were it not lor the kind and liberal supply afihrtied her by her brother, the Psitsee'ot Saxe Coburg, who not only volunteered• to defray-MO eteK.ncea of this child row, - but for many - years -to collie—(hear'l)h-so that the mother was relieved fromnthe burden era. open her; without any further - call upon the country t- nee • hearit been her intention to make ti y when, the grant in her case Wati pro posed. What war' the case of die- Duke of Cuinberland Since the .former period ?elle,- too, ,had had a child, but one four degrees removed 'from, the Crown - and yet this child; in tha tender age of infancy, was putfoA with a claim of 60001, a-year, for purposes of eelecation e as some gentlemen stated ; but he would • plainly ask, was it for such an object this large sum was called for : lie would plainly say—no, (Hear, hear !) It was a grant to the Duke of cumberlinti, and not to his child (hear, hear !), and his ohjectien -Was that it was so. Why not at once declare the fact t o b e as die Right Nola Gentleman knew it war—a grant to the .Duke et 'Cumberland ?_that was the only manly. intelligible course left to His Majesty's Government; and let ' it be avowed that it was co put his ,l-loytti highness on the sante footing as. the other princes, though ,Parliament had already rejected a similar appiication.—( Hear !)—But he had strong objections to ilia Bill on a variety of different grounds: It dif _ fered in the preamble front all former bills of supply for the members of .the Royal,- Family. , On all previous occasions, it was the . acing who was invested w tit the appropriation of the money, while this grant was to be disposed of independent alto ' gcther of His Majesty's controule All that. the House could dud in the pwtuble of • this Bill was, that 't it is expedient t o provide f or t h e e d ueat i on o f a son of the Duke of Cumberland." He utterly il ez i e d an y suc h expediency, for it never was befor e thought 'exPedieht to grant n.o.aey, in such .a form, hut always 'to,the King, and the ward; were, " that his Majesty shall and ; a tee: teeht.:.; eei ik. 4.0.• • -.. '' ' ' '' m -- may" apply it in such a manner, specifying what were'tin intentions of Parliament on the occasion. But, besides this distinction, let.'them remember the ages at which it was thought fitting by the King to.apply to Parliament for a pre vision for the Princes of the Royal Family. The Duke of 'Sussex was 28 years of age before such an application was. made for him e the Duke of Cambridge was 29 ; the'Duke of Kent 32; and the Duke of Cumberland 28.—(Hear, hear !) -, i Why, then, with these precedents, was it de deemed expedient to graut this little Prince of Cumberland h,OOO . ear ? Nobody: had asked for it ; with whom,' then, did the inc chiginate ? f r4tys Why frame a bill different fit ell preceding bills, nd fraught with a most dangerous tendency as to nreeirdent ?—{Henr 0 — M-first he -conftsed-- he - was • eaughehtCcillehthe idea of havihg this young Prince educated in England ; but on more conside ration he had changed his opinion; for if, as was said,the Duke on' Cumberland preferred a foreign tesidence, it would be, cruel to tear frog Thins a child-of such tender years; the operation of separating an infant in this: manner from its parentsewouhl.not lie borne by any man Of feeling throughout the country. And then, how came the sudden aversion for heving a young Prince for a few years in Germany ? Did they not know that his,Ma jesty of beloved memory, who . was always scrupulous in the education of his family, was in the habit of sending his chibe dren to Germany for education ?—(A laugh.) Ay, • and leaving' them there for some years; and where was the harm ? What" the .mischief was, he really did not know. He could quite understand that if this child had grown up quite an adult, it would be right to guard him against the chance of any inoculation - of the abominable principles of the Holy Alliance—(hear!)—but how a child of six years old could be in danger of this taint, he was at a loss to comprehend, still less to justify the mannerin which the grant was to be arranged, to guard against the supposed infection. He had already explain ed to the -House, that all former grants to the Royal Family were expreisly guarded by the King's controul; indeed, the '•words of them ran " during his Majesty's royal will anti plea sure." But slow they were called upon to give the money by virtue of Letters Patent, not to the. King, but to .the Duke of •Cninherland. le disliked this departure from the old practice, which always xecogrized the King. as the bead. of the Royal Family, and further gave the constitutional responsibility of the Ministers for the appropriation of the money.—(Hear,. hear !)—Here all those guards were broken down ; and should the DukeOf Cumberland pocket the money, and not leave his son a sufficient time in Englapd for conducting his education, he was convinced that no man would step in, and insist .upon the unnatural separation of father and ehild ; and this he knew, that his Majesty's heart was too affectionate and good to insist upon such a breach . of. natural- alfeetions. In the arguments which had been used in the previous -stages of this discussion, a good deal had been urged respeedieg proper assurance of the edu cation of the child in England. and but little comparativily upon the constitutional and 'essential principle of thezrant of:money, which was sorely a' fit'graund of solicitude for the representa tives of the people of Englandee-(Hear I)—Let the Ministers bring this Bill' within the former precedent.*.. In 1806, when an additional ti,ootil. a-year had been granted to the Men a hers of the - Rug Family, 7,0001. a-year was placed at the disposal - of the 'King fur the education of the Prin cess Charlotte ; the present King, the father of her Royal Highness, was then Prince of Wales, but the money was not intrusted to'him, but to the King, the grandfather of the young princess. - Let the same course be - pursued on the present occa sion, and then he should get rid of the greater part of his objec tion to the motion.--( Hear !)--•-He would defy any man • to put his hand - to his heart and state any reason why fhey ought to part from the old and wholsome precedent. He could rot com prehend the meaning of all this, nor why the Ministers chose to conrmit themselees thus With the country, upon such a grant. 'These were hitoreasens for objecting to the grant; and he apo legized.to the House fendetaining diem whilehe had explained them.---(Hear !) Mr. CA - NNING said, that among the topics introduced by the flight Hon. Gentleman *boiled spoken last, he had prin cipally dwelt upon the'form of the bill, and complained that it left _his. Majesty without the due controul - over the applicati6n of tke money, which had been interwoven in all former grants to the Royal Family.--e( Hear !)—Now, hedenied that the Right - lions Gentlemarehail put a fair construction upon the meaning of the bill, for he (Mr. Canning) apprehended that, as the bill was drawn, the House had a sufficient guarantee for the-due application of the money:to the purposes for which they had jeteended it, For it wes.provided - that two things should ,be ascertained before a single payment was made by virtue 'of the bill : first, ..they i aliould ascertain whether it. pleased his Royal ..Highneseelie -hike of Cumberland to reside withliis . family in 'Reolarid, elle:superintend in person the education of the young l'ierreie for in that case there was no doubt the money was in rentlettiminedhoelyto pass into the bands of the Royal, Duke; and no Gentleman could mean to manifest a disposition to inter fere in - :the, rejtulethin -Of the domestic ,affitirs of his • Royal Ilighiress, so long as he provided t'nd education required in this' eeetintry. lint, supposing it did -not please the Duke of Cum berland to take up his residence in. England, and.that he detere mined . still to _rosette abroad—and' really upon that point his Majet,;y's Government were at present 'without any information 05 guide their .opinions, and there, perhaps it would he said,• they ought to .have waited to ascertain that fact in the -first in stance, before they proposed the grant—(Hear I)—but,.suppose the Duke should still' remain . abroad, then unquestionably it would. behthe duty of .his Majesty's Government,•before they desuedthe money, to take upon their own responsibility such steps ay would ensure the application of it according to the con ditions upon which the gretit - was framed. So that in either a:t e r-nativ e the Hous e bad the assurance that their intentions could riot be frustrated. -Why it „now pleased the ;Duke of Cumberland to select a foreign residence, it was not their pro vince to inquire; and while on the one hand; it world be harsh to make t'- s grant the positive condition of his -return, so on the other they had every chance of tempting him to reside in this country. Rut in any : view of the subject,' whether he -ree edded here or note still they :secured a 14ritish education 'for a British Prince.—(Hear I)—lndeed the Right lion. Gentleman hiniself (Mr. Tierney) admitted that he was first struck with theepropriety of securing such-an object, though he had after wards - altered his opinion ; so that the only difference between the Right :Ilora _Gentleman .and his letaje.sty's Ministers was thilliat they had maintained the opinions they • had set put . with consistently,. while the'Right , HcitreGentleman had aban "(Wed hiss - -(A laugh.)—Tice Government thought ..the-young Primer should be .brought up here in England, and thus recerd ed,the expediency of that opinion- in the Bill. Anti they must; In' looking at the subject merely in a pecuniary view, at once se.e.that the Duke of Cumberland did not benefit in that-sense, when thev considered the great additiOnal expense which would b;eeritailed uputi his 'Royal Highness by the transference of 'his residence to this country, or. by the arrangements here ter the ethication of his child. -Whether the whole -of this money' .would be • pound. by pound applied to the education of the young -:'rinse in the, first year or in the second year, he . was not prepared to say ; but this he would sal, that es the grant-was - M intended by heeajeety's - Ministers to cover the public allow ance for the whole minority of the :Prince of • Cumberland, he thought ihnoniore than, a fair Average . sum of thenctual ex 4ehee-of such a .pereonaVuhtil he had attained his full mate •riteh—(;slear !)-_This Was, he thonght, the fair and preferable, - the more reepectful anthdelicate course—to come :at once with the general-stun which was adequete to the 'general purpose, and not year after year be securring to Pathan-lent for fresh supplies to-meet a egnewing cefieraliture in the Royal Fa -mily. lie knew ..not,whee such a proposal should be etigma 'lleed by the epithets of being dishonest, uncalled for, and Uncon hititiaional. No mar...c . eultl, deny the principle, thata was proper sir have a Britieli'Prince eancated at home.. Neither could it be asserted dur,,covering tive.whole minority, the proposed grant 'was more tleiti - enough for carrying that principle into effect. He denied the application of the Right Hon. Gentleman's puce dente-toehecese at present before the Hence. In• all the pre vines cases, the increase of income was at the time common to all the Members of theßoyal Family in whose behalf it was in 4 de ; but - here wric a case in which they denied (why, he meant pot rohe to refer to) one member of the illustrious family - 'upon tie throne, a grant which they had conferred upon the rest e anti that personage he ring had subsequently borne to him a son, - in whose eduCation •the public had an interest, it was 'dee:heed right merely to secure to-the parent the meant of fulfil hug' thai public expectation.. Undoubtedly it was right for the fleusenf Commons, it; that as well -as - in every other case, to guard the expenditure of the public. money ; .but it- was unfair . to - imptitorretinies to GoVernment in the recommendation of its . distribution w h i eh were not e warranted upon the face of the transaction. Ile forone disclaimed any hidden mptive in pro posing this'grante it .was to enable "his Royal Highness the Duke of Ctimbefland - ea givehis son a British education ; it was to promote 'h subject of national importance ; and neither. in the principle tier in the manner of its application, did lie see any - thing from the responsibility from which he shrunk to partici pate.-- Hear l's ' .. `Mr. BROUGHAM wive the Right Hon. Gentlemen oppo site entire credit 'fur their declarations, that they were on this occasion uninfluenced by sinister motives; it would be unfair for hire to Impute What they had so expressly denied. Be did this in fairness to gentlemen with whom he was mostly in the habit of lolltically differing, and it was further due to them to say, that they had at length put this question upon its fair issue, acid - had frankly avowed that the only reason for conferring this grannupon the Duke of Cumberland, was because his Royal Highness had not obtained this 41,000/. a-year before.—(Hear !) That was, that the object in which the Chancellor of die Ex chequer had been frustrated in the years 1815 and 1816, was to be carried into execution it the eyear 1825. But though the Ministers slid this, -the Bill didnot, fbi the . Bill said the mo ney was .to be given for the education of ' the child ; and, said the-Right ,Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning), the Ministers will take care and see .the money so appliethas to ensure the fulfil meet of the object.. But he differed - with the Right Hon. cien denten as to the power he the oght he would possesS over this Bill when it passed through Parliament; he differed from him as to the constraction of the law; and was sure his view would be sustained by the Crown Lawyers and the Lord Chan cellor, were the case referred to them as the legal advisers of the Crown. The act of Parliament was imperative ; and -from the moment it passed, the money became as of right invested in the .Duke of Cumbealand. It would be then too late to negotiate about its due application to any other p.urposa than that to which it should please his Royal High ness tia appropriate it.—(Hear !)—The Right Ilonourable 'Gentleman would recolleef;Thafin a late bill, in which, not as in this, it was nut their lot to differ, but one in which they had a'fellow feeling—the Catholic' bill, the omission of the two - words -- " shill a nd - may," - inthe optional commission for regu lating certain matters touching the question then at issue, had so altered the legal construction of that part of the bill, that they were obliged to re-cast it, and take from the Friday to to the Alonday before they could send it from that place to else where, whereiemet the fate of ail - other bills which had for their object a fair and liberal toleration for civil and religious' liberty.—(A laugh.)-4 hatlbeen said that there was a differ ence between the case of this infant and that of the other Princes of-the Royal Family who had been previously provided for; because they, meaning his late Majesty's sons, had lived, under the Royal paternal roof, with all the advantages of saving the expence which attended it. Now he must really deny that to be a statement of the fact. They were, on the contrary, all let loose at an emancipating age, much earlier than was the custom with the younger branches of the aristocracy. The Princes of the blood were completely emancipated from the pa ternal roof in early life--unless, indeed, the paternal roof could be supposed to cover the towns of Lisbon, and Gibraltar, and Halifax, and Nova Scotia, and to have formed the garrisons where some of these Illustrious Princes had resided. And the Duke of Glocester's case was still more in point, for there the income waszendered, dependent upon the natural demise of his. Royal Father. There were precedents enough fur specifically . guarding the application of pecuniary grants to Princes of the Blood, and all of them vesting the controul in his Majesty, who always acting by the advice of responsible Ministers, gtee a safeguard to the public which they had not in the present Bill. Besides, as had been said, look at the precedent, and when they did so look, beit always remembered, that they established it for the birth of all future Princes, horn no matter within how many degrees of affinity to, or proximity with, the succession to the throne._._( Hear !)—There was no . getting rid of the authority of such a• precedent, nor any seeing the end of the length to which it was capable of being unconetitutionelly carried.-.-(Hear!)—The Right lion. Gentleman {the Chancel lor of the Exchequer) had only done justice to his Royal High ness the Duke of Suisex, when he•Vindieated his character from the imputation which (unquestionably without intending it) his expressions on a •former night were calculated without this proper explanation to convey. That illustrious Prince, except the allowance made to him by Parliament as one of the Royal offspring, heti never received one shilling of the public money, in any manner, or. loan, or , way whatsoever : no pro fessional emolumente—no rank in the army or navy—no regi ments, or regimental allowances, or profits of preferments had ever been allotted to him, and to the Parliamentary grant had his income been always confined. It was the lot of that illus trious prince to have married a lady in a foreign country, and by that most unfortunate.of all Acts, the Royal Marriage Act, such foreign marriage was illegal in England, and illegal by the very worst of all human laws—that same ideneical Royal Mar riage Act, which had been well described by an lion.,Friend, of whom he could now speak unreservedly, for lie had retired from public life—Mr. Wilberforce—ae the very worst, the most unconstitutional Act that disgraced the Statute Jlook—(l4oud cries of " hear !") —and for the violation of such an Act had his Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex suffered by a heavy diminution of his income. The pecuniary effect of that condition was to reduce the actual, the received income of his Royal Highness, to 13,0001. a-year ; and the Duke of Sussex had never applied for an increase of income—he never dreamt of applying for it ; and so had he regulated his domestic ecoe nomy, affected as he was by the peculiar circumstance of his situation and allianceathai never had ,he made any pecuniary Composition with any of, his creditors—always had he ensured for each and every of them a course-of payment for 20s. in every pound of debt which was contracted; and so well had that ma nagement of the reduction of claims which had accrued by his Royal Highness being bereft of the advantages which had been conferred in point of income upon other branches of his illus trious family—so well had it been managed by an Hon. and Learned Gentleman who had superintend the businesa, that out of an accumulation of debt which nearly amounted, for the reasons ha had stated, to .100,0001., all had been reduced (at ,20s. in the pound, mind) to a small residue hardly worth men tioning.—( Hear !)---And be incarefully remembered, that never during that tine had his Royal Highness been exposed to • any circumstance which was calculated to impair, or compro ' mise, the Royal dignity in his own person, or to abate one . shilling, ay, one farthing, one single farthing from the claim of any creditor.—(Hear, hear !)—Hampered as the Duke of . Sussex had been with great and heavy debt, and exposed •from the peculiarity of his situation to a condition which no manner of debt gave him a claim upon Parliament, most ''deserving their best consideration, never had he made or au thorised the making of such a claim.—( Hear, hear ! )—He (Mr. Brougham) had now performed his'duty in stating these cir - cutustances as connected with .the affairs of the Royal Family,. and with the construceion anti principle of the present- Bill ; and no farther would lie press upon the attention of the House, than to implore of them to consider how they stood as to this' grant with their constituents--the country at large. He hoped in Grid that they yet felt they had the power to retrieve, it not to support, their character required as to this vote in the years 1815 and 18111. Let them at least reflect upon the consolation, " that, say . what our political opponents may, we vote with a clear sonscience."—(Hear, hear !)—het each man put his vote upon this grant to this fair, honest, and conscientious test, and then he (31r. Brougham) was fearless as to the result, not only. for the sake of the conscience of the individual, but for securing for him tire grateful approbation of his country. " I hope," continued tire honourable Member, " that I have now redeemed my -.pledge by resisting this bad measure, to the utmost of my po.wer, from the beginning to the end of its progress. The last stage is at hand, and I hope to God this House may still do its duty—retrieve its character with the country, and act so as to look back on this night's vote with .greater satisfaction than it can have experienced from a review of the former decisions. But, be the event what it may, we, on this side have done our duty; and we can both enjoy the reward of an approving conscience, and look confi dently to the people for their support. .Nor have we any rea son to expect that even the Prince, whose interests we have opposed, will misconstrue the integrity of our motives, or feel ' 1 less respect for us than for those who have supported him. The illustrious house to which he belongs is renowned for a magna nimous spirit _towards fair and honourable adversaries. The Duke of York freely forgave—but I correct myself, there could be nothing to forgive in those who did their duty—he over looked, both officially and as an individual, the part taken by those who, in 1809, had the painful task to perform of censur ing his conduct, and removing him from the command. Her late 31ajesty, the most persecuted of women—(hear!!)-was also • the molt forgiving that we' have seen in any station.of life.— (Hear !)—The illustrious relative who still survives, and of kindred blood, and nearer by affinity, is not inferior to the rest of his house in 'this magnanimity. • The late Mr. Percival received his forgivenness, and enjoyed his favour. The same forgivenness was extended, and the same favour con tinued, to his successors in place; and a much less important "person, the individual who addresses you, though far removed naturally from such conflicts, yet by the accident of the times and -his fate, having come into what inferior minds might deem a collision with that highest quarter, where false rumours were propagated by interested malice, or by intrigue, as if the faith ful discharge of his public and professional duties had incurred the personal displeasure of the Sovereign, he had the extraordi nary satisfaction of knowing that a gracious, and the more gra cious because a voluntary, assurance (for who could have asked any question on such a subject ?) was given by that Illustrious Personage that all such rumours were utterly without founda tion. The Duke of Cumberland will, after this night's vote, I doubt not. sheve, by his respectful submission, and his candid construction of our motives, that he belongs to the same family with the Duke of York, the late Queen, and the Sovereign him self."—(Cheers. ) - The question being loudly called for; the House divided— . For the third Reading -' . _ '',. 170 Against it - - - - 121 ' Majority . —.49 - - On returning to the gallery, ' Mr. BROUGHAM was proposing some modifications, which we were prevented from hearing by the rushing in of the stran gers. One of these was understood to be a proposal for placing the grant under the direct controul of the responsible servants of the Crown. The Hon. and L ear n e d Gentl e man moved to s ubstitute 3,0001. for the sum granted in the bill. The motion was negatived. - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER agreed to adopt so much of the suggestions ,of the lion. and Learned Gentleman as respected the application of the money, by insert ing words which required it to be appropriated " in such man ner and them as his Majesty shall see fit." The bill was then passed. , A new writ was then ordered to issue for the return of a Member to serve for the County Tyrone, in room of Sir John Stewaft deceased. BUCKINGHAM HOUSE, &c. Mr: BROUGHAM wished to have returns of the expenses ,of repairing and beautifying Carlton-palace; he also wished to ' know if they were to have estimates of the expellees of rebuild ing Buckinghsm-hoti§e., . ~ The CHANCEI,A.OII; of the EXCHEQUER intimated that ttOre Would be estimates laid before, the House. For ac. counts of Carlton-palace, he wished the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to give notice. Sir J. NEWPORT presented a Petition from the Attornies of Ireland, praying the repeal of a clause in a late Act, which took away the power from Coroners to issue writs in Ireland. Mr. DEN MAN gave notice, that on Tuesday next he would present a petition of some importance; complaining of the con-. duct of Surrey I%Mgistrates, to which he should have to add a statement of some very serious circumstances- bearing on the same topic which had come to Itht,knowledge. 'TOWN-LAND BQIINDARIF:S BILE, IN . IREIJANI).‘ . . The Order of - the Do for the House rosolving itself into a Committee was read. Mr. S. RICE moved that it be an instruction to t':?•Com mittee to receive a clause (which he had prepared for that pur pose) for making places 1-eSefved for gaols and-county court. for the county at large,' and - tiov - / no linger used 'for those purposes, parts of the local jurisdictions .wherein - they-are si tuated. The lion. Gentlemen stated the judicial objects for which these places had been set apart, thob:7ll now abandoned, and complained of the inliingerrient of property, and "of the right of suffrage, particularlywith respect to Limerick, which would be operated by the Bill, if passed will - lone the addition of his clause. F Mr. GOULBURN opposed the motion. Sir JOHN NEWPORT supported it. • After a few words- in explanation from S. Bret and . Mr. GOULIIITR2f, and front Mr. R. lila werar, who said he thought it was highly inexpedient unnecessarily to interfere with vested rights, The gallery was cleared for a-division (amidst hoist' cries of " Question, question,") Strangers remained out for some tirtie . ; but at their re-ad mission it appeared that no division had taken place, anti the instruction which had been proposed was agreed to without far ther opposition. The liottae then resolved itself into a Cotntnittee on the bill. The House then resumed.—Report to.rnorrow. SMUGGLING .PREVENTION ;BILL. a . On the motion 'of Mr. lIERItIES, the Ilothtes resolved lase' into a Committee of the whole House; to consider further of tile report of the above bill. • 4 In the Committee, the Hon:Gentleman stated that th' was oee is . of-the bills which. His Majesty's Government had felt it neces sary to bring forward, for the. parpose of condencieg, info acorn' paratively small ccimpass, the laws relating to the customs. I t was, as the committee would at once perceive, a most ardtiou s and difficult labour to bring together, within a moderate s paces the essence of all the existing laws on this subject. What nuM her of laws, respecting smuggling, Were reddered unnecessary by the present Bill, be could not say, but the whole Of thetlair s, including statutes connected with Irelanda • which would he abrogated by this and several other Bills, amounting altogether to twelve, which would be brought before the House in' the course of a few days, and would, lie hoped, •be passed in th e present Session, amounted to not less than 4500. -(Hear There some new pointy connected with this Bill which he deemed it necessary.to state to the Committee..Thefirst relate d to foreign smuggling. Formerly vessels' lielonging in tlit . whole or in part to his Majesty - :s subjects, or whereof half the persons on board were subjects of this realin a were, if suspected of being employed on alimuggling expedition, liable to be seized if found withiraCight leagues of the coast. between No ra t Foreland, in Rent, and Beachy Head, in Sussex. I was no's provided, that four leagnes should be subStitiited for eight. Al much observation had taken place with respect to the right 0 searching individuals on their arrival in this country from fo reign parts, it was proposed to be enacted that every pep° challenged with having contraband goods on hi 4 or her pelif, ll * should have the-right of requiring ,the.revenue officers talF",. e him or her before a Justice of,Peaee, or befoye his superior 0;' fiver, where he should make oath that he had a reasonab l6 ground for his suspicion, before the liberty to , search .should be granted ; and, in order still more effectually to . guaral the an b ; Sect, it was provided, that if it appeared that the RereP ti Officer had frivolously or unnecessarily detained the p e rson , brought before.the Justice of Peace, or superior Officer, to tri• searched, he should be subject to a penalty. .Varier the / act° the 9th ofGeo. I. persons skulking, under suspicious circalr'; stances, within five miles of the shore, were ilia* to he rab ic into custody. It was now provided, that if it appeared to a:a Magistrate that a person taken into custody on the alleg", ground of skulking near the shore : for the purpose of assis t '," in smuggling, had been arrested vexatiously and unneeessanv: that the ofbeer so gonducting himself should.-also be.liablf t a-penalty. • • On reading the clause relative to the capture-of vesaelsio ltb ' in four leagues of the coast between the North Foreland an Beachy Head, • Dr. LUSH INGTON observed, that if this 'Country aasum e a a i , such a right of search on her shores, other 'States would i-Ot on a similar right with respect to theirs, and much trou ble at' inconvenience would probably arise. This.had been the Ca re ver recently with Sweden. Lie knew not how Great Britg l ': could-refuse to other nations this right of search, while such ; law remained on her Statute-book. That law could at time be cited as a precedent by foreign States, if the sam e liberty which this country claimed for herself-were refused 0 others. , : c iao • Tte ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, if a fair SUS? , f existed that a vessel came to our shores for smuggling r w ie poses, they must, in their own defence, act upon tile pTin c lo' laid down in this clause. That principle waspties, France, at this moment, both in Europe and the s t y? Inlies. If several were seen lying of the shere, 1 0 4 .511' 1 _ any apparent -pre ext for remaining in that position, were found to-contain spirits and other contraband good car' in a particular way, would his Learned Friend say tb 3 oef cumstances of this kind would not justify a seizure ? A „nr that seizure came the consideration whethei - the on, which it was made was or was not sufficient to „c / a' rant farther proceedings ? On this point the -clans' i i i most explicit. The circumstance of the vessel not pros CC) ' on her voyage, wind and weather permitting, of her cre w , act aiming to the extent of one half of British subjects, and ‘ 4 op ai. having spirits made up in a particular way—these were c aa to tiered as circumstances sufficient, when properly arov_ l -7, , 00- justify the capture. A similar clause had been in 0P e1 40 3 for forty or fifty years, and- no objection had ever been against it. aaa e"riti Dr. LUSHINGTON said, if this were pa . rt - Of the gr , , t ad ' law of nations , he would at once agree to it. But t gra now claimed for themselves other nations would also intusialt. If Great Britain assumed the right to seize l Veasels,unde r .;"aar ticular circumstances 12 miles from her shores, every cane' , ritime state would assert the same authority.. . b e ' DENMAN objected to the principle of the 13 1 * iast cause it went far beyond that which appeared to him W b c t i' o l 4 and fair between man and man. As the law. stood, set 9 t l4 were made ; and lives were frequently lost, and such ‘ 11 , 11 ,,a or nature of the system, that the decision, whether murderalf-toti had not been committed, often depended on the most 11 - tot ifs' minute circumstances. They were told, that, to .. ri osil seizure, half the crew, in some instances, must be - 1 ; subjects. He should be glad to know the meanirg °` a os Hindoos and Lascars were British subject. Did they COO O 4 der the operations of this clause ? They were told of 0 _ 1) , clause, to prevent persons from being unnecessarily se"r;;aeso. The officer, if it appeared that he acted from slight no" iv' was to be subjected to a penalty ; but it was clear that ve r Y y penalties would be recovered. The officer, in almost clr.tote, stance, would be more or less connected with the MAP! , t ile and unless time case was of the most glaring descripti oo war e. officer would escape unpunished. They must all be 0 10 that when an action was brought for improper. seizure, s judge certified that the seizure was made with reaeona bl 'aftet probable cause, the claim of the plaintiff was cut.doWn' s : all his trouble and vexation, to 2d. daittages, aria 2d; O a t tbe A short conversation ensued, in which Sir It. Wilby , " e ' r es , Chancellor of the Exchequer, Dr. Lushington; Mr. 13 _ w e and Mr. Denman, took part. After which the cla ns ' agreed to. The 14th clause of the Act, making it penal in the . s t l o tat oo p 5001. for merchant or private vessels to carry any of the nOl used in and belonging especially to the navy, was P° st,3 after a conversation of considerable le n g th. e cs Mr. B. Goanore, Mr. WIIITMORE, and Mr. IIT" S „ tit' posed the clause ; the CHaxcF.r.to a of the ExcarEatcW ATTORNEY-GENERAL, Sir. HERMES, and. Mr. Lt .: SON supported it. . sa ers , The 35th clause, empowering Custom , -houie- fej search the persons of individuals on board ships corning foreign parts, was opposed. • to th/ Mr. B. GORDON said that he decidedly of jeere d to 13 , clause, particularly as there w as a proce e din g at law , ea rn lieved, pending a upon this point. The' loss which the v er' would sustain by giving up this personal search woad :'; 51- a . trifling, and it was an interference with the liberty.of ject peculiarly offensive. .1 ' toes Mr. HERRIF.S Said that the 105. to the revenue' , bey' „, _ right was given up, would be enormous. It would then ta t! derstood that every body, upon his own person, woo to ha liberty of smuggling to any-extent he thought proper. Mr. BRIGHT was against making the law more en 1) 4 it was resent. sit 3 Mr.BERRIES observed, that it was peculiarly - c fi that the law should be clearly defined. Ic y . 4 Mr. HUSKISSON said that there were persons. wc 11 lb 1 „ a upon the coast, wh o ma d e a regu l ar li ve lih oo d -by it goods concealed about their peraons. Y Mr. HUME said, that the practice of search, espcctall applied to ladies, was disgraeeful. of' • iti Di' Mr. G. LAMB was compelled- to say that he eot a l „icy pose the clause. But ladies might obviate the ditt' c- staying at home. tax 7 ' ac- Mr. - GORDON said, that the persona allinled to by t ` tO Hon. President of!the Board of Trade-persons "taw° i