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-- ` ~yt :~ .: .::.,; .11:C.110;3,1;1(T j ict7r D:itTmi - IF.tz 10,151. CONTRACT for FEARNOUGHT, Navy-Office, March 12, 1825. 4 IIHR PRINCIPAL. OFFICERS and COM ALISSIONERS of HIS MAJESTY'S NAVY do l ' er ee, give Notice, That on Thursday, the 31st Instant, at Cb4 ev'Clock, they will be ready to treat with such Persons mly be willing to Contract for supplying His Majesty's I geral Dock Yards wi'h FE.IRNOUGHT. 4 , B eftpk of the Fearnought, and a Form o f the Tender, ma y °e seen at this Office. Nu Tender will be received after One ! ' Clock, on the day of Treaty, nor any noticed, unless the I* .c3f, or an Agent for him, attends. ver Tender mast be accompanied by a Letter ad -7,44ed to the Navy Board, and sigma by two responsible ns,_ engaging to becOme bound wi th the Person ten d`'" ero in Me Sum of 8001. fur the due parlor:name of the Cooracc GLOBE INSURANCE, L.:NALL AND CORNHILL, LONDON, FOR FIRE AND LIFE INSURANCE, AND ANNUITIES. Tl ie k Capital of this Company is One Million Sterling, which nail been all paid up, and is invested in Real or Government securities. A LL Persons whose Insurances with this Company become due at Lady-day next, are requested It) tike Notice, that Receipts for the Renewal thereof are now 444 7 fot delivery at the. Company's Offices, and in the Hands of their respective Agents in the Country. Insurances due at L ads-day must be paid on or before the 9th April next. The General Half-yearly Meeting of the Proprietors will be he ld at the Company's Office in Cornhill, on Thursday, the 28t11 day of April next, at One o'Clock precisely. JOHN CHARLES DENHAM, Sec. r —LSI-1 COPPER, LEA), AND SLATE MINING COMPANY. THE Applicants for Shares On this Company ore informed, that the same will certainly not be issued fourteen days; that very valuable Mines have already been t_ ee4 red ; that experienced and highly respectabl e En g ineers '" occupied in Wales in making the further necessary sur t,e3l, entering into different negotiations; and t hat when _ u ! result o f . th ese var i ous o p e r a tions are known, the Shares : 111 be app ropr i ate d , an d t h e P ros p ec t u s developing the plan NI objects of the Company announced. WILKS and VERBEKE. Nevr Broad-street, March 24, 1825. EXPLOSION BY GAS. 044 E is hereby given, that the EXPLO -11013,,,,5i°N. on Monday, ,the 21st March, 1825, at the dit c h ' 4 ' 4 °`: ISlr. HARRISON, in Worship - stree t, Shore -41) d whiciinearly destroyed his House, and endang ered Family, was occasioned by an-escape of Gas from the Pipes Patel y laid down by the new " Independent Gas Company," a nd - not from the Pipes of any Company established by Parlia- Item, and unde r the supervision of his Majesty's Secretary of State fur- the Home Department.—By Order of the Court of 111 *tons of the Gas Light_and Coke Company, R. (,DUDE, Sec. ORANGE and LEMON TREES, JESSA MINE PLANTS, ITALIAN TUBEROSE ROOTS, I ,, , PDS5&.iin grcat perfection at C. BARRON'S, 19, PALL ~,ALL, late Partner. with Nil% BARTO VALLE The ~' .'es from asi to 166. each ; the Jessamine Plants, from .1,-06d. each to 43. the bundle of four plants ; the Tuberose , ts, ss. per dozen i a few choice Anemonies and Ration ritus ; .Ty, key Cucumber (of two kinds) and Cypress Seeds, '• Per packet ; Roman Brocoli and Malta Cauliflower (early ; :: )I1 l ate), Italian Endive, &c. ls. 6d.'per, a rt), pac ket; Justine ,: , 1 f or Management, and Lists (priced) of many other Ar `lCles `glad, may &c, be had. Very moist Honeycomb Parmesa n, New Oil, This Day was published, In One Volume, Bvo. price 6s. A DEFENCE of the TRUE and CATHO LIC DOCTRINE of the SACRAMENT of the BODY 4 . 11 d BLOOD o f OUR SAVIOUR CHRIST; with a Corifuta 11'll of sundry Errors concerning the same. By the Most Rev. THOMAS ~ :RANMER, Lord Archbishop of Canterbury.. which is prefixed an Introduction, Historical and Criti c!, in illust ra ti on o f th e Work ; and in Vindication of the ' a racter of the Auth o r, and therewith of the Reforma t i o n tl -: l )gland, against some 'of the Allegations which hare recently made by the Rey. Dr. Lingard, the Rev. Dr. ",r, and Charles Butler, Esq. eh, is, I' the Rev. HENRY JOHN TODD, "P"tin in Ordinary to His Majesty, and Rector of Set- LO t rington, Yorkshire. H , teuei .dOn : Sold by C and J. RiviEgton, and all other Book- TOOTH.ACHE AND EAR-ACHE. ' • PERRY 'S ESSENCE has received the sane es tiun and support of the most Distinguished Person tjr 1 " the kingtim, together with th e united Testimony of iliee nt fir st Physicians i n Eur o pe, and numerous favourable com- b s ill y .e M Journals, w it as -een A • • T oo "C l Z lTC.l highl tO reso be the " ctabl ßest thin dical g ever discovered for the Ih-ache and Ear-ache."---It instantaneously relieves the ptel; e xcruciating Pain, preserves the Teeth sound arid firm, , ms further 'Decay, effectually cures the Scurvy in the vittT's, fastens loose Teeth, and renders them Firm and Ser i, to the latest period, and effectually Prevents the ooh' -ache. i 4, c h d in Bottles at Is. I id. and Qs. 9d. by Butler, Chemist, " ea Pside, St: Paul's ; Savory and Co. 136, New Bond litrene,,t `no, Regent -street ; and hy the principal Medicine c.ers.throughout the. United Kingdom, M' Of Of whom also may ` be had, In ed S BRUNSWICK PLASTER, an excellent Re for Eradicating Corns, Bunions, &e. i te r 4.e careful to ask for Perry's Essence for the Tooth and Morris's Brunswick Corn Plaster. sTRI -rultES, &c. EFFECTUALLY CURED by an IN TERNAL REMEDY. Effiency of the URETIC POWDERS to for the CURE of smicTußE, &c. has been proved I.l, e i v eY eas e in Which it , has been tried. This Medicine en sncrersedes the neceSsity for the application of the tel gj!, Catliet . er, or other - InstrUments,and affords certain venin the worst stages of the disease ; is a corrohorant of n lnno cent nature, and may he taken without risk or incon nce. , t S uld in Packets of 11. 2s. each, by H. Styles. 148, Regent w",eu ,et, mane di d Shu rectiottle worth and Co. 140, Leadenhall-str e et, am pns. ' ca tions, post paid, from Chemists and Gentlemen tclZ" . m the C ountry, or abroad, to Mr. Roberts, the acting rgt.etor, 135, Regent-street, will be promptly attend- Fu!' proofs of the great benefits resulti ng fr o m thi s r e - Strict , vi de Cases i n P ract i ca l Ob servations on the Cure of of Surge, 07:Ise. L b ond W. Y Renou, Member o f th e R oya l C u ll ege on. PARLIAMENT. lIOUSE OF LORDS, THURSDAY, MARCH 24. ROYAL ASSENT. The LORD . CHANCELLOR, the Marquis of WINCHESTER, and the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, as his Majesty's Commis sioners, brought down the Royal Assent to the Annual Duties' Bill, and several Private Bills. BILLS. Mr. PETER MOORE, and others from the Commons, brought up the Equitable Loan Bill, and the Irish Impounding Distress Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR pointed out some inaccura cies in the Preamble of the Equitable Loan Bill, and suggested the propriety of postponing the first reading of the Bill till they should have been corrected.—Agreed to. The Irish Impounding Distress Bill was then read a first time. COURT OF CHANCERY. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented a petition from Robert Gourlay, complaining of the proceedings of the Court of Chancery, in a case in which he had been engaged, and pray ing that their Lordships would adopt measures to stimulate the energies of the Commission appointed to inquire into the pro ceedings and delays of the Court of Chancery. The Noble and Learned Earl should make no observation on the contents of the petition, but had thought it his duty to present it. The petition was then laid on the table. The frish.Judicial Commission of Inquiry Bill was read a second time. _Adjourned. - - -4, , „:-, '';- .:'--. 4-'7 t 4 ---. :,.-/ :. - - ‘,. ....4,-; A , . ...- I ='! ILN - , i',.t , ~7 2 A FRIDAY EVENING, MARCH 25, 1825. of al., or a month or two of imprisonment. The principal diffe rence from the old Act would be the introduction of a clause to allow Magistrates or the Quarter Sessions to award. reasonable expences to persons prosecuting under it, so that they should not be losers. The lion. Member then moved for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the former Act Mr. HEATHCOTE opposed the motion. Mr. F. PALMER objected to any legislative measure upon such a subject, and expressed his regret that the former Act had passed. He stated that he was present in one instance where the Honourable Member called a coachman to order —(a laugh)—for flogging a barge—not over the head and eyes—but only for such a uae of the whip as was necessary' to keep him to his work. He should support his Honoura ble. Friend in opposing the further progress of -any such measures. Mr. LOCKHART thought great thanks were due to the lion. Member for Galway, and in consequence of his endeavours Parliament had consecrated the great principle that the in ferior animals were entitled to tin protection of the law. He thought, however, with the lion. Member for Knareshorough, that more was to be expected from the moral influence of this decision upon the minds of the people, than from any punish ment which could be inflicted. lib therefore advised the Hon. Member not to press further legiation. It would only injure the existing law, which. appeartcl - to him to be soak-let:ay effective. • • WARRE supported the motion. Mr. CORDON (as was understood) objected to it. Mr. C. WILSON said that as far as his observations went, he thought it would be advisable to make the offence a misdemeanour, and upon this ground he should vote for the motion. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON said that under the present law, many convictions had taken place, and it had completely altered the character of the Smithfield drovers. He was not, however, prepared to go the length of. raising offences against it to misdemeanours, although he should vote for the intro duction of the Biil. Mr. MAXWELL made a few observations in favour of the motion. Mr. R. MARTIN replied. He stated that one object of the Bill was to extend its operation to, the dog, which had been left out in the hurry of drawing up the former Bill. It further proposed to make the offence a misdemeanour ; 'and in doing this, he claimed the support of the Learned Attorney and So licitor-General. For the Bill which he desired to introduce was in that respect precisely similar to one brought down to that House from the house of Lords, which was introduced by Lord Erskine and received the sanction of the Lord Chan cellor and the late Lord Ellenborough. With regard to what had fallen from the Honourable Member for Readin`g, (Mr. F. Palmer) he believed that Honourable Member pretended to be an equestrian ; but he knew little of the proper treatment of a horse if he would flog him for starting. He advised the Ho nourable Member to make himself better informed upon the subject before he spoke about it in that House. He could assure him, too, that to be the only solitary instance of a Mem ber getting up and expressing his regret that the present Act had passed into a law, would be no recommendation to him at his next election. The House then divided— For the Motion Against it Majority - SHAIIIENS' WAGES. Mr. HUSKISSON ruse to move for leave to bring-in the Bill for making the new regulations relating to the payment of Seamen's Wages. The first observations of the Hon. Member upon the point of paying the men a certain allowance in foreign Ports, were not audible, in consequence of the rush of strangers into the gallery. He stated another object of the Bill to be that of legalising the payment of seamen -in ports where there was no resident Commissioner. According to the law as it now stood, if a squadron stationed at Falmouth were 'ordered for instant service in the North Sea, and a certain arrear of wages remained unpaid, it would be necessary to send them round to the Nore, whe r e a Co mm i ss i o ner resided, before they could pro ceed upon the service. It was therefore intended to provide that Commi ss ioner should be sent to the fleet, instead of bring ing the fleet to the Commissioner, and also to empower other Officers to superintend the payment when the principal officer was unable to attend. He then moved for leave to bring in a Bill to make further provision for the payment of the crews of his Majesty's ships. Mr. HUME made some remarks which were inaudible, relat ing to the full payment of seamen upon foreign stations. Captain GORDON thought the suggestion of the Lion. Member worthy of consideration. Mr. J. MABERLY said a few words which were in audible. _ 23 33 --10 Sir G. COCKBURN said, that to adopt the method of pav ing seamen abroad, a's in the army, was objectionable. Under the present arrangements, sailors appropriated a part of their wages to the support of their families at home. He did not mean to say any thing against the character of our sailors, but it was well known they did not think much fir themselves, and therefore required somebody to think a little for them. He wished them to have pocket-money when they entered foreign ports, and that would be provided by the bill. But he thought no one could desire to see the effects of sending a crew on shore in a foreign country with 6 months pay in their pockets. By the present regulations, every comfort of the seaman was pro vided for, and the men were as happy as any class in existence. In proof of this, the Gallant Member stated, that the practice now was, not to punish men when they behaved ill, but to dis miss them from the service. --(Hear!) Leave was then given to bring in the Bill. ALTERATIONS IN THE CRIMINAL LAW.-- THREATENING LETTERS—FREE PARDONS. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that he was about to apply for leave to bring in two Bills, and as they both went to effect im portant changes in the Criminal Law of the Country, he would save the time of the House by stating the objects of both while he was on his lets. The first Bill was to provide a punish ment for the writing of threatening letters, charging persons with an attempt to commit certain crimes. At present the law only provided for cases where a charge of committing the crime was threatened, and that was punishable with transportation. He thought it was impossible not to see that the moral guilt in the two cases was equal, and that it ought to be equally punished. It had, however, happened in the course of the last summer, that a person had been acquitted because he had only threatened to charge the attempt. To remedy this defect in the law was the object of the Ist Bill. The 2d Bill comprised three objects—the first of which was to facilitate the granting of pardons to persons suffering under the sentence of the law. At present a person could not be restored to the possession of his rights unless his pardon passed under the Great Seal, the expense of which shut many persons out from the full benefit of the pardon they had received. One consequence of Oafs was, that if such a person was summoned before a Court ofJustice, he was not competent to give evidence. It was not intended to interfere with the privileges of the Crown. The object was to provide that by virtue of a pardon from the Crown, bearing the sign manual, and countersigned by the Se cretary of State, an individual should be restored to his credits and capacities, in the same manner as though his pardon had passed the Great Seal. In the present state of the law, sup posing an individual sentenced to imprisonment for six months f9r a slight offence which did not materially affect his character, and who had been pardoned, not under the Great Seal, to be the only witness in the case of some great offender, he would not be capable of giving evidence until all those forms had been gone through, which would probably allow the offender to escape and defeat the ends of Justice. The next object of the Bill was to extend the same alteration of the law to , par doned convicts in New South Wales, who from being situ ated some thousands of miles from the spot, were unable to go through the forms at present required by law. The Bill would a lso provide in the cases of persons who had suffered a commu tation of punishment, and had fulfilled the conditions imposed by such commutation, they should he restored to all the pri vileges of free citizens. Its next object would be to remove that part of the law by which a singular omission was made in favour of the Clergy, by which they were exempted from punishment for crimes, which were punishable if committed by a ny other class. Ile should first state that by the old law, prisoners were set free after being branded on the ball of the left thumb. But that part not being sufficiently conspicuous, the branding was ordered to be made on the As society ad imprisonment or whipping in its was . abolished, and the Court was ad vanced, left cheethk,isapsunneiasrhmtoentthe nose as possible, change, tia it happened that this stead.al of carry' In *with . it the same substitu tion did not receive the powerun)b namely, that of restoring the lowed W Buti substitute n til e effect of branding on the th therefor e y, Ile proposed to supply civil rights of the prisoner : that power. The third ob ject was to remove that anomalous a had before state of our laws to which alluded, namely, the HOUSE OF COMMONS. At four o'clock the SPEAKER took the Chair.—The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod summoned the House to the House of Peers, to hear the Royal Assent given by Commission to several Bills (for Which see the Lords' Report). EQUITABLE LOAN BILL. Mr. PETER MOORE moved the third reading of the Equi table Loan Bill. Mr. ROBERTSON opposed the Bill, on the ground of the general impolicy of encouraging these kind of Companies. The House then divided, when the numbers were— For the Bill - - - 39 Against it - - u 12 Majority in favour of the Bill - —27 Mr. H. Su MN ER presented a petition from the-Court of Re quests in Southwark against the County Court's Bill. Mr. LAmn - roN presented a petition from certain persons against the Isle of Dogs Collier Docks Bill. ST. CATHERINE'S DOCK. Mr. MANNING presented a petition from the London Docks Company against the St. Catherine's Dock Bill, praying thatithe Bill might be re-committed in order that the petitioners might have an opportunity of opposing the 13111. Mr. C. CALVERT stated that it was his intention to have moved that the petition alluded to by the lion. Member (which we could not distinctly hear) should be referred to a Committee, but in consequente of meeting with a Gentleman on his vr,ly to the House,who told him it was not desirable that there should be a House, and thus the day for making the motion was lost. He also complained of the conduct of some Gentlemen in the Committee who voted against him, although they had not at tended the discussions in the Committee. After a few words from Mr. IVILBRAHAM, the petition was brought up annead. Mr. MANNING then moved that the St. Catherine's Dock Bill be re-committed. Mr. C. CALVERT supported the motion. Mr. IIEATHCOTE thought that the Bill had been suf ficiently considered, and that it was unnecessary to re-com mit it. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ WILBRAHAM thought the preamble of the Bill was clearly proved by documents on the table of the House. Mr. H. SUMNER contended that there was great neglect on the part of the London Dock Company,and that a very strong case ought to be made ought before the Bill should be re-com mitted. He defended the conduct of the Committee. Mr. HUME believed that the St. Catherine's Docks, though they might come in competition with other Docks, would be ultimately beneficial to the public. He thought, however, that in fairness and justice the House should allow the London Docks Company to be heard, and that the Bill should be re committed. Mr. GRENFELL said the House should be careful not to do injustice, which it would do if they re-committed the Bill.— The London Dock Company deserved nothing from the favour of the House. They had hitherto acted in a very vexatious and uncandid way. Last year they came before the House in forma pomperis, complaining that the low rates charged by them allowed a division of only 4i per cent., and yet they had this year reduced the rates - en wine and spirits 30 per cent., and on tobacco 50 per cent. They were interested parties, an d de served no particular favour from the House. • Mr. MABERLY supported the motion for re-commitment. 111 r. TRANT made . tisingle remark in a low tone of voice. Mr. JONES censured the conduct of the London Dock Com pany, and thought they thould be the last persons in the world to complain of unfairness. Mr. S. NVORTLEY briefly opposed there-commitment. The House then divided on the question— For the Re-commitment - - - 20 . Against it - - - - - 91 Majority against the Re-commitment . —7l Mr. LABIBTOH presented a petition from Stockton, for a re peal of the Window Tax.—Ordered to be printed. A Message was received from the Lords, asking permission for Sir J. Newport to attend as a witness before the Commit tee of the Lords on the State of Ireland, which permission was granted. Mr. Wxna presented a petition from the Inhabitants of Cheltenham, for a repeal of the Window Tax.—Ordered to be printed. Sir R. SHAW presented a petition from the Chamber of Com merce of the City of Dublin, for the reduction of the duties on Fire Assurance.—Ordered to be printed. THE CATHOLIC CLAIMS. Mr. B. COOPER presented a petition from the Rural Dean and Clergy of Gloucester, against the Catholic Claims. The Hon. Member said, there was an indisposition in the House to receive petitions from the Clergy. Mr. HUME denied that there was any such indisposition.— I The meeting at which this petition originated, was very infor mal. Only seven Clergyrpen attended, and only two of them signed at the time. The petition was afterwards sent round to obtain signatures. He was glad to see this sort of petition presented. Mr. B. COOPER explained, that it was not the petition of the Dean and Chapter of Gloucester, but from the Rural Dean and Clergy of the Deanery of Gloucester. Mr. PEEL said the Petition did not profess to be from the Dean and Chapter. He reprobated the mode adopted of insti tuting such rigid scrutiny into the history of petitions. Some one must originate them, and then they must be sent about for signatures. The Petition was then brought up, and ordered to be printed. Mr. GROSSET presented a petition from Chippenham against any further concessions to the Roman Catholics. —Ordered to be printed. Mr. SYKES presented a petition from Kingston-upon Hull, praying a revision of the Corn Laws. The Hon. Member begged to impress upon the minds of his Majesty's Ministers the necessity of giving their serious consideration to this most important subject. Ordered to be printed. Mr. NORTH presented a petition from Newry in favour of the Stock Provincial Banking Company in Ireland. Mr. S. WORTLEY brought in a Bill for the better prevent ' ing fraud in the Manufacture of Cutlery Articles in England.— Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on the 21st of April. BANKRUPT LAWS. Mr. COURTENAY gave notice that he should to-morrow move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the Bankrupt Laws. Mr. PLUNKETT presented a petition from the Protestant In habitants of the Town of Newry, in favour of the Catholic Claims.—Ordered to be printed. Sir J. NEWPORT presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce, against any alterati on i n the Laws relating to t h e Butter Trade.—Ordered to be printed. ILL-TREATMENT OF ANIMALS. Mr. R. MARTIN rose, pursuant to notice, to move for leave to bring in a Bill to anvid the Act for preventing the ill treatment of animals. There were certain omissions in the law which he was anxious to supply, and he also proposed to make the offence punishable with greater severity. What man could hear of a h o rse's eye being maliciously knocked out, and not think that the crime deserved a higher punishment than a fine ,\)tt k - V 0 ~,,,,, - 6.0•••• - ' • t'l is,W tn -'----. •it i, .. ''' . 7 :..5,' --,. -AA\ .. % ' . . ',..-_,:e . 1t 4 .-:*-:- ' .. 76' Nt ,- ' :"...... 0 - o. fr —7 sti • •• ' ..4., 0 exemption of the Clergy from ptiniShment for the commission of clergyable ofrences. If a Clergyman committed felony he was hanged; and if he committed a misdemeanor or a petty larceny, he was punished as others were. But he might com mit the offences which he had mentioned, over and over again, with impunity. Now, though he was ready to support the Clergy in all their just rights, he was not prepared to give them this indemnity. The Right lion. Gentleman then brought up the first Bill. . _ _ Mr. BRIGHT inquired (as we understood) whether the alte ration relative to the Royal pardon was to be retrospective. Mr. Secretary PEEL replied in the affirrnative. Mr. LOCKHART said that the thanks of the country were due to the Right Hon. Gentleman for the attention which he gave to these subjects. .He entirely concurred in the proposed alteration of the law respecting pardons. Upon the other Bill the Hon. Member put some suggestion to the Right Hon. Se cretary, relative to the benefit of Clergy which we did not hear. Mr. Secretary PEEL said that he should be glad to see the benefit of Clergy removed altogether, and the law put upon one general footing. Mr. S. RICE expressed his hope that the Criminal Law of Ireland would undergo similar ameliorations. There were ab surdities upon the statute Book which were a disgrace to it, and the sooner they were removed the better. Mr. JONES spoke against the distinctions and inconve niences created in the law by the heaefit of clergy. Mr. BERNAL called the attention of the Right Honourable Secretary to the practice of the police-offices in walking ac cused persons linked together through the streets of the me tropolis. He was convinced that he had only to call the attention of the Right Hon. Gentleman to the matter, to have it remedied. _ _ _ Mr. Secretary PEEL assured the lion. Member the subject bild not escaped his attention; but, if conveyances were pro vided, one would be necessary for each police-otficcs. As to the indecency of conducting persons in custody through the open streets, he would only observe, that he was so anxious to prevent it, that he told the Magistrates he should sanction any expence they incurred by sending prisoners in the ordi nary vehicles to be obtained in any part of London. The Right Hon. Secretary then brought in his several Bills, which were read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Monday next. EAST INDIA AFFAIRS: Mr. HUME in rising to bring his present motion before the House observed, that although India was a Colony of great importance it was seldom that subjects concerning in it were brought before that House. This might perhaps 'be account ed for in consequence of the vast distance of our Eastern possessions from England, and a general feeling that we were but imperfectly qualified to Legislate fbr people so remote, and with whom we were comparatively so little acquainted.— It was true, that by existing laws only such measures as were approved of at home could be executed in India ; but for his part, he was free to confess under all the circumstances of the case, that if proper persons were chosen to administer the affairs of that Possession, the less interference on the part of the authorities, the better that country would be governed. If those appointed were not competent,' it was indeed impossible that the 'evil could be effectually re medied in this country, although it undoubtedly was the duty of this House to inquire into matters of such deep importance to the Empire. He should now call their attention particularly to the present war in India, which, from whatever motive under taken, would - not, he feared, reflect much credit on the Go vernment. He had waited for some Julie in hope that he should be able to learn satisfactorily the details of that en terprise. Never, however, was so meagre a mass of information made public on so important a subject as had been laid on the table of this House, and although he waited in expectation of having the deficiency supplied through other channels nothing of the kind had yet taken place. Improperly as the war may have been commenced, it was necessary that it should be car ried on to a speedy and successful issue.- • India had been fa voured with two or three able Governors-General who had con solidated its power and connection with England, and it was only necessary to continue it in the state in which it was left by the Marquis of Hastings, to produce the most beneficial re- - sults to the empire. In order to show the importance of pur suing the policy of that Noble Marquis, he might lie permitted to state, that in our Eastern Empire there were 150,000 native troops, and not more than 20,000 European troops to keep in check a population of (he regretted to acknowledge it) no one knew how many millions, but which if he estimated at 80 or 90 millions, he certainly was within bounds. It required no com mon ability to govern so vast a territory, so peculiarly cir cumstanced, with such a force, and yet two or three years ago profound peace and content reigned throughout the whole of our eastern dominions. That under Lord Amherst's adminis tration the aspect of affairs had altered he did not blame that Nobleman, but those who sent him to India. 'Amiable as Lord Amherst was allowed to be in private life, there was not an individual connected with the East Indies who did not say, that although his Lordship might be qualified to rule that region during a period of tranquillity, he was totally unfit for the task during hostilities. It so happened, however, that Lord Amherst had scarcely commenced his Ministry when the country was plunged into a war which, let it end as it might, could not be terminated with any advantage to the East India Company. He now came to the mode in which that war was conducted. It was well known that the rainy season in In dia, which lasted four or five months, always left the troops unfit for service. He himself had been one of a detachment of 10,000 men, out of whom more than 1,500 were not fit for duty from this cause ; and it was in consequence, an invariable u I tyl i i o ea r ifi t rr A inil m .iy h tt e iol r a s t t , th li eorwe Rangoon,e r, chose was an n d o t h a e ill v effects e m c tes period oefo could t o ; cm transportiomstatet rule with all Governors-General not to expose the troops to the ( t. h 3 a r t British officer to whom had spoken on the subject, that did not reprobate the proceedings. The efforts of troops so situated could not be successful—disease attacked them, fol lowed by a great mortality. As the press was silenced in India, he could only refer to private letters for the facts; but they stated that more than 1,800 out of 8,000 men were not effective—that the army in short was in a crippled state, and that an alarm was spread throughout India calculated to inflict the greatest mischief. The consequence was, that the troops finding themselves on a footing they had never before experienced, disobeyed their orders. With respect to the mutiny at Barrackpore, he hoped the measures to quash it would be proved to have been unnecessary. The welfare of India undoubtedly required that the mutiny should be sup pressed at whatever expence ' • hut had Lord Amherst acted on the suggestion of a wise Council, he would have pursued a different line of conduct towards the mutineers. The inno cent as well as the guilty were punished. When every effort was used to induce the men to lay down- their arms, the officers and non-commissioned officers left the ranks and joined the authorities. Was it justice then, four days afterwards to dismiss with infamy every one of those who thus evinced a proper spirit of obedience, and who on the contrary ought to have been rewarded ? In the treatment of these officers there was also this inconsistency—that after having dismissed them the Governor General ordered a Court of Enquiry to in vestipte their conduct, so that if not guilty they might be re established. Men who could act in such a manner were unfit to remain in power. From every Presidency the language was the same—all concurred in indulging that the Governor- General had lost the confidence of the country. He (Mr. H.) now called upon his Majesty's Ministers to say if they had taken measures to remedy the evil. He wished to know if the orders to curtail the provisions of the troops had been sent out from England —(Hear, hear. from Mr. 'W. Wynn.)—He (Mr. Hume) hoped the Right Hon. Gentlem an wou ld h e a bl e t o justify the " hear, hear', which he had uttered. The private letters asserted that, 3 weeks previous to the mutiny, the com plaints of the sepoys were made known to the Government.— Their allowances had been pared down till they retained only enough for their mere support. On all former occasions of a similar nature the sepoys had been provided with cattle to carry their baggage, for in such a climate the native troops were un able to sustain the burdens' of the Europeans soldiers---but in this instance no bullocks were provided —a sum of money was given in lieu, although money could not supply the wants corn.: plained of. Why did not 'Lord Amherat obtain cattle for the army instead of offering them a useless substitute? All these things conspired to rouse the prejudices of the Sepoys, who be haved themselves under the influence of an evil spirit pretend ing nothing but disaster, and hence the mutiny which occurred. When he (Mr. Hume) was in the Bengal Army, for every va cancy there were fifty candidates, and the idea of ' desertion en tered the head of no person. But what was the fact now, owing to the different conduct pursued by Lord Amherst, compared with that of the Marquis of. Hastings There was also another piece of folly practiced of the most injurious tendency. It was well known that any disgrace attached to the high caste of Brah mins, struck dismay into the natives. The Bengal Army, how . ever, for the most part, consisted of Brahmins, men of the finest PRlct SEVENPLNcg. and noblest feelings (an assertion in which many flonearable Members now present could support him), and yet these we're, the very persons condemned to infamy. The Motion with which he-should conclude was for a Copy of the Marquis of Hastings's Dispatch, dated 1819. Orders had been sent oW to the Noble Marquis to recognise the Bengal Army, hut with an attention to the wants of the soldier as well as the interests of the Company, which he had always shown, those orders were not carried into *effect. A Commission, however, was appointed of Civil and Military Officers to inquire and report into the - changes advised, and , their opinions were trans mitted to England, afterwards embodied in the dispatch just mentioned. That dispatch, and the answer, he now wished to have laid. on the table. it was indeed impossible that any Governor-General could carry into effect every order seat out to him, and in attempting to do so, Lord Ainherst had lost the confidence of the Country. He (Mr. flume) was not sure that the pay of the Sepoys had been reduced, bur their comforts had been greatly diminished, and upon this, as well as all other points,• his object was to obtain information. When i;. , gave notice of his motion, he intended - to move for a Copy of the Report of the Committee of Enquiry into the late Mutiny, but he was informed yesterday at the India House that the investigation had not yet terminated, and he should therefore content • himself with submitting a resolution, requiring the above dispatch of the Marquis of, Hastings, dated 1819, and the'answer to it, dated 1823, to be laid before the House, and also an account of •the extent to which the orders referred in that dispatchlmd since been executed. . _ Mr. W. WYNN, before lie adverted particularly to the sub ject of the Hon. Member's motion, must declare his entire cons currence in an opinion which he had expressed. He had stated that when the peace and welfare of so vast a territory, and at so remote a distance, were involved, a very large discretion ought to be left with the Governor-General, in whom so mo mentous a trust was reposed. No persons could say, that or ders which were dispatched until five months after the events to which they referred had taken place, and would not reach their place of destination for five months subsequently, ought to be implicitly followed with regard to the changes of circum stances in the interval. But at the same time that the Hon. Member allowed so large a discretion should be vested to the Government of India, he (Mr. Wynn) was surprised that lie gave no room fiir the exercise of that discretion, nor even any opportunity for explanation. He had as yet received but the first statement which was drawn up of the Mutiny five days after it occurred, and before the enquiry into its origin and na ture was concluded, and notwithstanding the Honourable Gen tleman demanded the whole facts of the case to be submitted to the House.—( Hear, hear !)—Desirable as it might be to contra dict the false accounts which from various quarters had gone abroad, it would be injustice to the Government of India to at ' tempt its defence without the materials, on which alone it could be founded, being in our possession. But with that Mutiny the papers moved for, the Ilone Member for Aberdeen had not the slightest or the most distant connection.—( Hear, hear!) — The dispatch of the Marquis of Hastings (five years) which re lated to orders of an anterior date,. had nothing to do with the late Mutiny, nor did it at all allude to the allowances of the Native troops. The orders mentioned in tliat'dispatch referred exclusively to the organization of the European part of the army—to the regulation of the European Officers—and those orders were long since partly carried into effect.—(Hear, hear!)—lf he, too, might be allowed to speak on the au thority of individuals, he might add, that, except tiVe •Ors six out of two regiments, who complained of their rank not being sufficiently high, or in other words, of their pro motion not having been as great as they desiredthose orders bred no discontent, for their operation was to reduce the length of time between the stages of advancement. All he could say therefore was, that the documents moved - for would not throw the least light on - the recent mutiny. 'He r. Wynn) was at the same time anxious to avail himself of the present opportunity to offer a few words on the Unfortunate • mutiny at Barackpore. The Hon. Member said, that the com forts and allowance of the troops had been withheld, and that the mutiny in consequence ensued. He however could assure the House that none of those comforts or allowances had ever been reduced. It was unquestionably stated that there was a great scarcity of bullocks ; and an inquiry having been insti tuted into the subject, an order for 4;000 rupees was given to compensate for the deficiency of those animals. But the Hon. Gentleman stated that money was not an equivalent for the loss of the bullocks. Upon that score the dispatch mentioned that immediate steps were taken to procure them, and that at the time of the mutiny there were ten bullocks for carrying the baggage absolutely within the lines—so that the only ground of complaint had been entirely removed. It was certainly im possible to read the account of the melancholy events which followed, ' without lamenting the necessity which led to the sa crifice of 180 lives. But before he proceeded further, lie must observe, to spew how little reliance ought to be placed on the statements in private letters, that he himself, by the first arrival in England, received at least twenty letters, all of which, although they differed in every respect, agreed in setting down the number of killed at four or five hundred ! With re spect to the smaller number, could any man say when our force was employed, where it ought to a moment to terminate.— The Commanding Officer himself could not tell where the slaughter was to stop. Under all these circumstances he would leave any one to say whether the execution of eleven men weie too severe a sentence, unless he could shew that the evidence did not justify the punishment, and that the sufferers were not the ringleaders of the mutiny. It was also impossible not to take it for granted that the officers knew something of the plot. The letters from India were unanimous in concluding, that if the officers were not cognizant of the mutiny they ought to have been so. With respect to the way in which the war had been conducted, although the proper time had not arrived to defend Lord Amherst, the question in a. great measure turned u pap Burmesetooi n n on the wtl4 loai d tcwr e ldbio t ey,iirllne,il the i mb ti eau Amherst t ccc i h o au determination ait oi t nt : o ttdri c j na a uono p sfdt t a u ßya r te ss i ß gd: j a ote n hosdn g oe. ly n ) auoj no I rnh that Cannon ownndoe n t e rm con ceivedi judg ment, but in commune with the opinion of rel ll ds l o a cu j o o rn r csee C sg a t n re n n o ttl i ii i e y come to immediate terms and make peace. Such was the oh ject, not the acquisition of territory, for of the latter we already , had quite enough, without seeking an accession to it in that di rection. He (Mr. Wynn) firmly believed that Lord Amherst was compelled to commence hostilities; but till the Committee of Enquiry closed its labours he should abstain from pursuing that subject. The secret, however, of the outcry which wtts raised against that Nobleman was, that at a ball he had led down the Lady of the Commodore, instead of conferring the honour on any of the Ladies of the senior merchants.--(Hear, hear, and laughter.) • Mr. ROBERTSON expressed his uneasiness at the present posture of affitirs in India. Was it possible to be imliffereux to the state of that country, when it was considered that the Emperor of China may possibly, if we met with a reverse of fortune, come with a mighty army to dispossess us? And who could say that if things went on as they were going, but India may soon be in a blaze ? That consideration should weigh with the 'louse; it was not so much the loss of territory he valued as the lives that would be exposed thee. The lion. Gentle man made some further remarks, and said, that nothing was to be apprehended from the Burmese (as we understood). Th a t poor harmless people had no means of injuring us; on a late occasion three companies of Sepoys defeated 11,000 of them. Colonel DAVIES lamented fhe conduct pursued towards the troops , who had mutinied. The unfortunate people would, he was sure, have laid down their arms if properly spoken to ; but when they had no expectation of it, ar tillery ,which had been designedly brought to bear on them was discharged ; the very idea of such cruelty was suffi cient to make a man's blood boil in his veins.—(Hear, hear !)—He had himself no means of personal observation, but he had spoken to many officers of experience in India, and heard from them that there did not breathe braver troops than the Sepoys. They were, if required, ready to brave any danger —to go even to the cannon's mouth; but by the subsequent proceedings what were they ? The officers were branded with disaffection—they were characterised as unworthy ofconfidence, and dismissed with disgrace. Such conduct made him plash for the British name. From these things we are 'able to judge what Lord Amherst was capable of doing on other matters.— He did not know whether his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume) meant to persevere in his motion to a division; if he did he (Colonel Davies) should most certainly support him ; and he hoped that his Hon. Friend, whether successful or not, would follow up the motion of this night until the whole of these most extraordinary preccedings were thoroughly made known. Colonel FREEMA NTLE expressed his surprise that a military man, like the gallant officer who spoke list, could con demn the means adopted for the suppression of the He must know than prompt and strong measures were abso lutely necessary in such an emergency. They were not had re course to till every other-had failed ; till the misguided men re fused to listen to solicitation, and persisted in not laying down