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But had he remained some time longer to hear the arnunents subversive of that statement, the impression would 'neSe been reversed, for in the very instances adverted to, it app - eared the Association were entitled to the highest praise for the moderation of their con duct. He (Sir R. Wilson) had been out of the country, and had not consequently been able to attend minutely to the proceed ings of the Body in question ; hue they certainly had not acted so as to forfeit the confidence of the tAitholics. Mr. O'Connell had been called a Dictator, and it was said, divistiln itieneriunt cum. Jove habet. It appeared, hotvever, that vax Popeli was in that case vox Dei. The Association wcmld indeed have been for midable it at the nod of any indieianal. But Mr. O'Connell himself was, on every occasion, -only able to lead, after eloquence and power of argument had carried conviction to the Meeting. That proved that the Association was not a bel ligerent body—that it had only acted of defensive—and that it was merely formed to quell those disturbances which were the shame of Ireland and the disgrace nt'7,Eti;lanti. The Asso ciation certainly had extraordinary isS,:taiwe—(kiear, !Tear !) and he admitted it ought to b' pnirgeen—(flear, hear !)—but he 20 his friends differed -SAL* Al s Sairtera e t% to the means of doing so.—(Hear, bear!)--The Irish Attorney-General con tended that Parliament should take what means it could to gain that end, and with the candour for which he was so remarkable, declared that his opinion respecting Catholic Emancipation was not changed, and that it was the only effec tual measure for pacifying Ireland. He (Sir Robert Wilson) could not believe with his Honourable Friend the Member for Knareshorough (Sir James Mackintosh) that the Cabinet had entered into a compact on the Catholic question— and he must take that opportunity of stating, that the avowal Which the Right Honourable the Chancellor of the Exchequer made last night, that he also had changed his opi nion, and in a manner not admitting a shadow of imputation upon his motives, inspired strong hopes for the future. The Right Honourable Member said he should consider it an act of treachery to turn round on his colleagues and attempt to impose Emancipation as a condition for co-Operating with them. He (Sir Robert NVilson) believed, notwithstanding, it was utterly impossible but in the dispatches from the Marquis Wellesley, something had been suggested to qua lify the severity of the present measure. It was there fore unfair not to submit those dispatches to the House. When the British Government was confessedly so strong in all its domestic affairs, as it now confessedly was, would be the proper time to consider the measure. What were the Catholics to think in the 25th year after the Union, when, though they had " with bended knees and baited breath and whispering humbleness," solicited not so much the enjoy ment of rights as the exemption from penalties, and yet found all their supplications vain? It was indeed a fact that many of the legal hardships they were liable to, were unknown to the people of England. Even at present the greater pert of the public were unaware of the doubt that existed, whether a Roman Catholic Priest who married a Protestant .was liable to death, or to a fine of 500/.; however unquestioneble it was that if the parties who had requested the Clergyman to perform the ceremony, subsequently refused to give evidence against them, they were punishable with tleree years' imprisonment. — Such was our law still in,force against the Catholics, and there were many others equally cruel and unjust. It will be asked, perhaps, has not the Catholic Cause advanced ? anti he knew it was objected to his side of the House that it had not forwarded it as much as they might have done. The year before last he and his friends certainly did leave the House, but why . ? Be cause they did not wish to continue a system, which raised the hopes of the Catholics merely to blast them with the bit terer disappointment. He would not, at the same time, have the Catholics despond, if victory were not within reach it was at least within sight. Formerly it was alleged that the great body of the Catholics were indifferent to eman cipation. But he could not feel an interest in the eligibility to honours anti privileges to which they had no title to aspire. The Catholic Association had proved the reverse to be the fact, and the rent whisit that Asaeinbls received from all classes of the people was the best touchstone of the security of the great body of that community in seeking their consti tutional rights. It was, however, rather too bad that eman cipation sheuld be first refused on the ground that the Ca tholics generally were indifferent about it, and then that it should be refused, because they convinced the world that they were not indifferent. Such a state of things could not last. The House should do as it would be done by.— If the Protestants were treated like the Catholics—if they could unfold so ninny glorious records of their services to the country—would they bear it with equal patience ? Our in terest as well as duty required that the system should be put an end to. Another point of view in which the mischievous- . ness of the present course was shown by the Bight Honour able the Attorney-General for Ireland, deserved attention._ The situation of that country certainly afforded a dangerous pretext for the machinations of foreign powers. It was la mentable that any thing should breed discord at home,to blight the fruit of the fair tree of national hope. It was lamentable that when the Right lion. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Canning) had effected so beneficial a change in our foreign policy—when he had severed the country from the Holy Alliance, and puri fied our Councils from the alloy of European despotism—it was, lie said, lamentable that our domestic shotild be inconsist ent with our foreign policy. If war should occur, the state of Ireland was most dangerous to the Empire. The applica tion of steam to navigation gave facilities of intercourse be tween that island and the Continent. Under such circum stances, if the standard of rebellion wereagain raised, it would not be for similar scenes to those of Vinegar Hill or Wexford. At that period the Catholic Clergy were hostile to insurrection, for the dread of the French Revolution was before their eyes ; the Catholic Gentry were also then adverse to the rebellion, because they hoped that by continuance of peace, and by their exemplary patience, the Legislature would be induced to con cede their rights. Now, however, the Catholic Nobility, the Catholic Hierarchy, the Catholic Gentry, the Catholic Priests, and the Catholic Laity, seem to a man united: The cause for which the Association met had their unanimous sanction. When he (Sir R. Wilson) saw with terror the strides that the most atrocious doctrines were making in Spain, in France, and in Belgium, they were not to be overlooked with respect to Ire land. In France it would seem as if the laws were framed to satisfy some malignant demon instead of the God of Justice.— ln Belgium, the character of the king, so remakable for his moderation and wisdom, interposed a barrier to such wicked encroachments. But what, if in this country, the zeal of the Catholics should take so unfortunate a direction. He was not, in short fighting a Catholic battle, he was fighting his own battle—the battle of the Dissenters—an universal battle. Those who disliked the Catholics ought still to give their support to Emanicipation. It was impossible for that measure to be car ried without being followed by the repeal of all the tests that affected the Dissenters. Hence lie believed the greater part of the opposition which Emancipation encountered in Eng land—the Dissenters not the Catholics were dreaded. Great Britain was indifferent respecting the Catholics while they were confined to Ireland. Ile believed the people of England too enlightened to be averse to Emancipation ; they knew that if war should arise Ireland in its present situation would become a hostile camp, and while hostile cannon were planted along the Irish coast, we should he left to fight our own battles pro aril et focis. He was aware that lie uttered these sentiments on the eve of a general election, or at least that, in anothei year, that event would take place. Members upon his side of sA f i o t Rn h erii wouldc n thought t c i o t m u e im i a t t a s mn — da b t tt u eh r t e dr i t r ' lei theyc whatt d w o s ke e arr t e t e )h : e r the House might then fall if they now warr e d with the fe e lin gs s a supp ti o M rt i g n I t A h ) e e c n o c K t s c i a: motives of those who formed the Catholic Association, if it were at variance with the Constitution. That body under took to represent the people, and levy money without the con sent of Parliament. Our ancestors had declared the Crown forfeited for levying money without the consent of Parliament, a nd such conduct was equally unlawful in any of th e King's e ist sa b i f d co l n ev tr ie ib ei llt b it t; i c im a , us i e t , w a a l s th a ou g h compulsory pay the rent was al legedment. The Association had d irected the Priests to collect the money, and it was a very ancie nt p ra ctice of the Realm to levy the poor rates in that mann er. B efore the 3d of Elizabeth, the Subjects. to co n lie Priest exhorted the people in the Church to pay the Poor Rates, and followed up the exhortation with censures. The Hon. Member who spoke last admitted the evil effects of the Association, a nd said it ought to be put down by emancipa tion. But w hat was the character given of the Members of that body by their advocat es? That the y had evaded the Conven tion Act, a nd, regardless of the peace of Society, would, if possible, evade every other law which Parliament might enact. The Hon. Member further observed, that the moment the con. PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS, TUESDAY, FEB. 15. A Gentleman from the Post Office, presented an account of the Balances remaining in the hands of the Post Master- General at the close of 1824.—Laid on the table.—Mr. 111 icßELsox, from the Court of Chancery in Ireland, pre sented certain returns from that Court.—Laid on the table.-- Adjourned till Thursday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. F. BUXTON brought in a Bill for enabling the Alliance Company to sue and be sued in the person of their Secretary.— Read a first time, and ordered for a second reading. Mr. H. DAVIS presented a petition for leave to bring in a Bill to modify the Town Dues of the City of Bristol. He was instructed to say, that this measure was determined on bylhe Corporation of Bristol before any similar one was originated by Other parties. The Corporation gave up their right to the public, by reducing the produce of these dues from 60001. a year to 30001. After a few words from Mr. S. RicE, the petition was refer red to a Committee. Mr. GORDON presented a petition from Aberdeen against the law relating to Attornies—Laid on the table. Petitions were presented from Swansea and Ilfracombe, against the Duty on Seaborne Coals. Petitions were presented from the Chamber of Commerce of the Portof Newcastle, and from the Port of Sunderland, in fit your of the St. Catharine's Dock Bill. CATHOLIC CLAIMS. Mr. DICKENSON presented a petition from the Archdea con and Clergy of the Archdeaconry of Bath, against any fur ther concessions being made to the Catholics. Also a petition ofahe same nature from the Inhabitants of the City of Bath and its neighbourhood. The petitioners stated, that they had seen with satisfaction the concessions formerly granted to the Catholics, but they were now alarmed at the insults which that body threw upon the Protestant Church, arid prayed that the House would hand down the Constitution as they found it to posterity. The Hon. Member declared that his mind was made up upon the question, but that if lie had previously entertained any doubt, recent circumstrnces would lead hint to say with the petitioners, that they must now stop and maintain the Constitu tion as they found it. Sir I'. LET I 1 BRIDGE was glad to hear these sentiments fall from his lion. Colleague, and concurred entirely with those expressed by the Petitioners. Those sentiments he believed were such as animated the great bulk of the people of this country, and of that part of them who were not, as he had heard them described in that House, the low and vulgar. He knew them to be the sentiments of that portion of the clergy and principal laity whom he had the honour to represent, and from them he should shortly have to present similar petitions, not perhaps couched in the same words, but breathing the same spirit. lie trusted that they would have the effect of rousing a feeling in that House which should be consonant to the feeling of so large and respectable a body of the people. Sir M. W. RIDLEY expressed his regret to find that per. sons, of so much respectability as the petitioners, should put their names to such intemperate and inflammatory language as that contained in the petition. It was impossible for them, if they had heard the debates which had just passed on all sides of the House, to say with justice that the Catholic body had in sulted the Protestant Church. He certainly regretted the con duct of the Catholic Association, but he was convinced they had injured no one but the Catholics themselves. Mr. C. HUTCHINSON should not consider that he had done his duty if he suffered such a libel upon the Catholic body as that contained in the Petition to pass without his ear nest protest a?ainst it. It was impossible that there could be more falsehood or more indecency than existed in the charges made by the Petitioners against the Catholics. lie would cau tion the Hon. Baronet, and other Members of that House, against coming forward with such petitions ; for if they conti nued,so to provoke six millions of the people, they would shake I the empire to its foundation. Mr. DICKINSON denied that there was any thing improper in the language of the Petition ; it was strong and firm, but perfectly warranted by the conduct of the Catholics. One of the insults to the Protestant Church was to be found in the de claration of Dr. Drumgoole, that the Protestant Church, like other novelties, had had its day, and would now soon be put an end to. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE said, that if the Hon. Member for Cork thought that he, and those who thought with him, were to be confined in the expression of their opinion, lie was never more mistaken. He thought the Hon. Member would be ex ceedingly puzzled to find any thing libellous in the Petition ; and he was quite sure that it was as different front the language of the Catholic Petitions as any two things could be. Sir R. HERON felt himself bound to rise, for the purpose of relieving the people of England from a charge so libellous and calumnious, as to say that they were not disposed to grant farther concessions to the Catholics. Mr. MANSFIELD said, that in consequence of what had fallen from the Hon. Baronet who spoke last, he rose to in form him that as far as his constituents went, (and they were pretty numerous), there was not one mar. in a hundred who would not instruct him to vote against any further concessions to the Catholics. This opinion had been called a vulgar pre judice ; and if it were so, he had imbibed it so deeply, that he should give such a vote whenever the question came before the House. After a few words from Mr. W. SMITH, the petitions were ordered to be printed. THE TREAD-WHEEL. _ _ _ Mr. DAWSOIsI presented Copies of Papers spewing the re sult of the enquiry carried on lay the direction of the Secretary of State for the Home Department, relative to the Tread wheel.—Ordered to be printed. Copies were ordered to be laid before the House of the last Report received by the Secretary of State for the Home De partment, frem the National Vaccine Establishment. Sir J. NEWPORT presented a petition from Waterford, praying for an Equalization of the Spirit Duties.—Laid on the table. Sir R. HERON gave notice, that on Tuesday, the 22d of this month, he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the laws relative to Sewers. COUNTY COURTS BILL. Lord ALTHORPE moved that the County Courts Bill be referred to a Select Committee, which motion being carried, and the Committee apointed, the Noble Lord also moved, " that it be an instruction to the Committee to inquire into the cases of such persons as held offices for life, the value of which will be diminished by the said Bill if it shall pass into a law, and to report their opinion thereupon to the House." Agreed to. Sir E. HARVEY presented petitions from Beaconsfield and Wykeham in favour of the above Bill. Mr. HUME postponed his notice of a motion relative to per sons returned from India till to-morrow. Mr. HUME moved for a renewal of the order for returns of the number of persons charged with criminal offences, and committed to the jails of England and Wales, chewing the number executed by summary process, extending them to the year 1824. Also for similar returns in respect to Scotland and Ireland.—Ordered. Mr. HUAIE also moved for the renewal of the order for cer tain returns relative to the imports and exports of gold and sil ver, and the quantities coined..—Ordered. Mr. HUAI E gave notice that he should to-morrow move for an account of the expenditure of the Naval Votes of last year. Sir H. HARDINGE said, that the Hon. Member should have whatever returns he wanted, although they were already before the House. LAW OF JURIES. Mr. LEYCESTER gave notice, on the part of his Hon. Friend, the Member for Essex, that he should, soon after Easter, again bring forward his Bill relating to Juries. ASSOCIATIONS IN IRELAND. Mr. GOULBUItN moved the order of the day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the first reading of the Bill for sup pressing certain unlawful Associations in Ireland. Sir ROBERT WILSON could not give a silent vote on the present question, but he should detain the House only a short time in the observations he had to offer. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had stated last night that the people of England were universally hostile to Catholic Emancipation. When the present state of Ireland w as cons id ere d, t h at asser ti on ren d ere d it imperative of Members to submit their opinions fully to the House. The Chancellor of the Exchequer declared with an air of triumph that no opponent of the Bill had ventured to con tend for the constitutional conduct of the Catholic Association. But his Majesty's Ministers had no right to advance that taunt where there were no documents before Parliament on which a fair cessions were made tranquillity would be established. Was there any precedent in history for such an assumption ? Mr. O'Connell spoke openly of the ulterior views of the Association, and what he would ask was meant by such expressions as " the mockery of paying tithes,to a Clergyman without a flock ? (Hear, hear!)—The attainment of the object would unhinge the whole of society, and open all the claims which still existed in tradition to the confiscated property of formertimes. The Hon. Member required documents in order to make out a case for the present bill ; but he (Mr. Lockhart) contended, that ac cording to the Law of Parliament, notoriety was a sufficient ground on which to legislate, and if the acts of that assembly were not notorious, on what did the Hon. Gentlemen opposite build their character of the proceedings of the Association ? If the Catholic claims were conceded while that body existed, what change would be effected in Parliament ! The House of Lords would be overawed by the Association—and in the House of Commons, even if 111 r. O'Connell were returned, he would find himself a mere puppet in the hands of others. As it was during the reign of the Jacobin club in France. He (Mr. Lockhart) should not touch on the general question, but to ob serve, that if granted, it would not be satisfactory to those for whose satisfaction it was now sought. The power thus conferred, would only enable the Catholics to act more effec tively against the Church Establishment and in iiiirlermining the property of the country. The Bill should have his decided ,stipikort. Mr. BA NICE'S, Jun ." rO's . 6 ' to 'Address the frouve Ott was occasionally inaudible in the Gallery. So well as we could collect, he stated that he thought one great advantage was gained by the length to which the present discussion had extended. The impression that the object of the Catholic As sociation was intimidation, the very moderate proceedings of that body at their last meeting—the account of which reached London—was well calculated to remove. -He sincerely wish ed that their past conduct had been characterized by like temperance and propriety. The speech of the Noble Lord, who presided at that meeting, and whose moderation in com mon with the rest of his family could not be too highly eu logized, showed that whatever might be the decision of Par. liament, the Catholics would act in obedience to it. He (Mr. Bankes) had great pleasure in noticing that result, which would operate beneficially throughout the country. While he was on his legs, he should take leave to remark, that the Honourable Member far Knaresbmough, whose speech formed so large a part of the debate of last night, had asserted sophistry to con stitute an integral and essential portion of the proceedings in that House. No one he thought who had attended to the Hon. Member on the present question could doubt the perfect since rity of the observation. In endeavouring -to extract or blunt the sting of the invocation on the address to the Catholics, and also in defending the interference of the Association in the administration of Justice, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had exemplified his own position most happily. He, (Mr. Bankes) however, had yet to learn, that calling forth vice into conflict with vice, and setting opposite passions to struggle with each other in Courts of Law, was conducive either to virtue or justice. lie regretted that on the present subject, which was quite a distinct one from the general question of Catho lic relief, so much relative to the latter had been introduced ; by that means the debate had been prolonged. The question was, whether the Catholic Association was an unconstitutional assembly or not; and in his opinion an affirmative case had been satisfactorily made out.—(Hear, hear !)—To turn from a grave to a ridiculous subject, he would call to the recollection of the House a statement made last night by an Hon. Member respecting the order list for books at the University Club. The Hon. Gentleman (Dr. Lushington) said that the Life of Harriet Wileen was Marked accepted, while a plain Bible was rejected. —( o—Though0—Though he represented a University, he was not anxious to appear in that House in his accadernic gown and cap, at the same time he thought it due to the Club in question to state that he called and asked if the Life of Harriet - Wilson was in the library, and was informed that no such book had ever been here.—(Much laughter,)—The servant of whom he inquired mentioned indeed that it had been asked for by many gentlemen, but that unless some one brought a copy in his pocket, none had entered the House. The subject seemed to have been investigated with so much nicety, he (Mr. Bankes) took it to be a good opportunity for 'showing upon what loose allegations the Henn was sometimes required to form its judg ment.—(A laugh) e . A ll E MBE it, whose name could not be learnt, addressed a few words to the House in support of the bill, and concluded with a panegyric upon the public and private virtues of the Lord Chancellor. Mr. GRENFELL should vote for the proposed Bill, in the hope that some provision would be found in it for preventing the collection of the Catholic Rent. lie requested, however, it might not be supposed that in doing so he bound himself to the other parts of the measure—his approbation of which must depend on their peculiar characteristics. For twenty-three years which he had been in Parliament he had voted for the cause of the Irish and English Catholics—and so long as he held a seat he should vote in the same manner. Nothing less can, nothing less ought to satisfy the Catholics. They only sought their rights, and in and out of the House he should support them with all his power. Let the House look at the relative situation of six millions of Catholics and one million of Protestants. He trusted the Catholics would never sub mit. He (Mr. (Irenfell) was descending into the evening of life ; but if he was on the bed of death, his last prayer should be, that the Catholics might be successful in their persevering endeavours. Mr. ROBERTSON said, if the Catholic Association were legal and constitutional, it ought to be upheld ; but, if' not, it ought to be put down. The Right lion, the Attorney-General for Ireland had told the House that the claims of the Catholics were founded in right and justice, and defied any one to pro duce a rational argument against them. Was it nut consistent, then, with the spirit of' the Constitution that they should ob tain those claims ? The suppression of the Association had been argued on the same grounds as that of other Associations ; but each should stand on its own footing. The Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland stated, that the landed gentlemen were adverse to the Catholic rent. That in his (Mr. Robertson's) opinion, was the origin of the present Bill. The grievances of the country were owing to the conduct of the Landed Gen tlemen. If the peasantry of Ireland had been protected from the Tithe Proctor and other oppressions by the Landed Gen tlemen, the Douse should not now be called upon to put down the Catholic Association. The Protestant Clergy of that part of the United Kingdom were not to blame for the sufferings of the peasantry. The evidence then on the table of the House, shewed that in most cases they had from time to time relin quished one-third of the tithe as a concession to the wants of the. eople. But, notwithstanding these concessions the Irish peasant remained oppressed and in the loweet state of degra dation. These evils arose from the landed interest—and be cause the Catholic Rent was applied to redress them. The Ca tholic Association was to be put down. The Hon. Members for New Ross and Plympton (Mr. Doherty and Mr. North) eulo gized the Administration of Justice in Ireland, and he supposed it merited the panegyric. But what benefit did the unfortunate thus derive who were unable to pay the expences of obtaining justice. The " Rent" supplied the deficiency—afforded the protection which the Country Gentlemen ought to have given to the people. These Gentlemen put the tithe, which the Clergy remitted, into their pockets. The Right Hon. the President of the Board of Controul said emancipation only would establish peace and prosperity in Ireland, but it would require much more to produce that effect, for nothing could or ought to satisfy the Catholics but being made not inferior in any point of view to the rrst of the community. Lord Clare had said, in discussing the Union, that if not an Irish Member were returned to the British Parliament, he would confide the welfare of the nation to the English Legislature. Ile (Mr. it.) believed if there was not a single Member from Ireland in that House it would be better governed than at present. The Right Hon. and Learned Attorney-General maintained that the separation of the two countries was chi merical ; but was not Portugal once an integral part of Spain, and if justice be not done the Irish, they will seize an oppor tunity to exact it. The Irish Attorney-General said that the longer emancipation was delayed the more difficulty in grant ing it. W a s it to be withheld then for ever. Whatever mis chief might attend the collection of the Catholic Rent, the Association ought to be put down by concessions, by repealing not by enacting laws.—(Hear • Sir J. NEW PORT, after the length to which the debate bad extended, could not flatter himself with the hope of adding much to what had already been advanced. He rose, after the most serious attention to the arguments on both sides, more confirmed in the opinion which he expressed on the se cond day of the Session of the impropriety of deferring; by defining a great and final measure nor securing the peace and safety of the country. During a somewhat long life, in which he had been a partaker in the fortunes of Ireland, he could assure the House that a more fearful project than the pre sent never was attempted. They !trove to stifle complaints, PRICE SEVENTENer. not to remove their causes. Now, when union ought to b e encouraged, a Bill was introduced productive of disunion and discontent. He had heard the various opinions in support of it advanced, by both the enemies and the friends of Emancipa tion, and after all he could not divine its true cause. The principles broached were of the most extraordinary nature there was in fact no documentary evidence on which to found it, but the whole argument turned on the notoriety of the pro, ceedings of the Association. What sort of evidence was that to proceed on. Let the statements of different Members of the same Government be placed in juxta position with each other, and what conclusion did they furnish. Observe the contradictions between the opinions of the Chief Secretary fur Ireland, and of the Irish Attorney-General. While one Faid that the Catholic Priests headed an army of 20,000 collectors, his Right Honourable Friend the Attorney-General, declar ed the same Priests were the most deserving and yet the most. calumniated of men.—(Hear !)—Such was the value of parole evidence. Mr. GOULBURN rose to explain. He did not mty that an Army of 20,000 Collectors was headed by 2,100 Priests. . . . Mr. PLUNKETT said, he certainly did state that the Ca tholic Priests were most meritorious persons ; and he also re gretted the mischief which the Association did by interfering with their pious and peaceful labours. Sir JOHN NEWPORT—At all events there was a corn ,plete contradiction between the Under Secretary_ for, State for the Home Department and the Attorney General for Ire , land.—(A laugh.)—He hoped he should not misrepresent any • Hon. Member; but if he recollected, the Ilon. Member for Derry last night mentioned Mr. Devereux as one of the Cit. tholic Association, and made it a charge that he had been one of the delegates of 1792. It might be as well to remind the House now, that that same Mr. Devereux ' the next year, 17h3, was one of a deputation of five who waited on his late Majesty,- by whom he was most graciously received ! So that this per son who was particularly noticed by his Sovereign is a fit object of honour to the supporters of the present Bill. An Honourable and Learned Gentleman avowed last night, that if the Associa tion had sprung up in the strength of the Orange Societies he should not object to its continuance, but that Association wait ed till the Orange Societies had been beaten bown. Such was not the fact. It was when the Orange Societies boasted of having double their numbers,. ' and by the way, he recollected that when the Bill was levelled two years back against Orange Societies, the Under Secretary of State acknowledged, that as soon as the oaths were rettoved, he should become an Orange man. Be it also remembered, that the Association did not arise till the Orangemen triumphed over the Government of Ireland, and over that House, when it was the triumph of neither party.—(Hear„ hear !)—Something had been said about the leading Catholics having governed the Association by com pulsion. In answer, he should beg leave to read a part of a letter received that day from Lord Fingal, who for the benefit of his health, now resided at Clifton. It was thus—" To be ill and always absent is to me most unfortunate at present, when I should be most happy to join the efforts of the other Gentle men of the Association."—( Hear !)—Now when we said that that Noble Person was distinguished through life for the mode, ration of his character and for loyalty, he paid but an unworthy tribute to his merits. When do government then intend to stop the system ? The relative numbers of the Catholics and Protestants have sensibly altered within a, few years. Mr. Po cock, in his account of Kilkenny, an inland county, says, that the Protestants constantly decrease, and the Catholics as con stantly increase, and Mr. Tighe bears out the assertion. Catholics some time back were to the Protestants us five to two,—they are now as six to seven, and will Government wait twenty years longer before they grant Emancipation, when the proportion will be as eleven to twelve,—will they wait till it is impossible to resist any longer. But for what object wait when so good an opportunity presents itself of securing the tran quillity of the country. The people of England knew that the Catholics had deep and bitter causes of resentment lie should, however, conclude in the words of an inimitable writer, which he thought were peculiarly applicable to the situation of the Catholics " A Morn, Where waning clouds contend with growing light." He believed the passing of the Bill would be attended with most mischievous consequence s. Mr. V. FITZGER A Id) should not reply to his Right Ho nourable Friend ; but he was compelled by a most painful sense ofduty to support the Bill, and he could not reconcile it to him self to give a silent vote on so important a question. It was al ways with regret and sorrow that he supported any measure trenching upon the rights of the people, and particularly a mea sure which affected his Catholic countrymen. There was no danger, however, which he would not rather run than support the Bill in the spirit in which he grieved to say it had been ad vocated by some of those for whom he felt the deepest respect and affection. He deplored more than lie could express the statement which had been indulged in byhis non. and esteemed Friend the Member for Londonderry.—(Hear !)—But lie (Mr. V. F.) should not 1.... cur to the period preceding the Cnionovlien too much might be raked up of an acrimonious description . Much had been said of the intemperance of the Association ; but great allowance should be made for men in their situation. With respect to the language of the Catholic Association he did not think it necessary to detain the House upon that branch of the question. Besides, thinking that there were other dangers in the existence of that body more deserving of their atten tion, he thought that criticism too refined for the subject had already been expended upon it. He would only take leave to observe to the Honourable and Learned Member for Knaresbo. I rough (Sir J. Mackintosh), that he scarred to have forgotten one thing, viz.:—that the ignorant people, to who the Catho lic Proclamaticn was addressed, had not the benefit of his in terpretaticn of it ; and if they had they would not have under ' stood it.—(Hear, hear !)—He would next address himself to that part of the question which related to the interference of the Catholic Association in the administration of criminal . justice. If this interference were necessary, he would say nothing about it. But he did not, think it necessary, and re ' garded it, moreover, as decidedly calculated to prejudice the proceedings of Courts of Justice. This was not the first time allusion had been made to the existence of abuses in the admi nistration of the laws in Ireland. Upon former occasions he had boldly challenged the accusers to come forward with facts, and had distinctly declared that as far as the charge was appli cable to the sane' io: Courts of Justice he denied the truth of it in the face of I'a 'liament. It was then said fiat the charge was meant to apply - more to the general administration of the laws. Ile was not, of course, prepared on the moment to nega tive this assertion • but it was remarkable that no facts had since been adduced in support of it. On the other hand, every.. thing had been done by Parliament that could be done for the purification of justice in that country, and many measures had been adopted at the suggestion of Honourable (I , mtlemen op posite. The Right Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to notice the several measures which had been passed for the improve nient of Ireland. He begged the House to remember the im portant changes which had been made for the belt r, with re ference to the power of the Grand Juries in Ireland. Great re formationshad be m effected, and they had latte ly heard no com plaints upon this subject. The state of the Magistracy was another subject upon which the attention of the House had been ad.- vantageously engaged. He did not mean to deny that a great deal more remained to be done, but let them not undervalue what has been effected. The great difNculty in all attempts at amelioration in the condition of Ireland, was the obstructions which conflicting interests placed in the way. He did not mean to deny that the Catholic Association had done some good in some cases. In a country where interference was snrie times useful, it was not easy to draw the line of forbearance.— He was not the championnf all abuses, nor did he assert that there were none. But he looked for their correction to thosl wholesome checks which existed in all Constitutions, especially in ours. With respect to the two cases which were cited in the discussion by his Right Hon. Friend below (Mr. Goulhurn), they had been argued by the Hon. and Learned Member for Knaresborough (Sir J. blackintosh) as acquittals. But that was not the point with regard to them. The point was., that the conduct of the Association had the effec t of pre judging the casts before wa s present at the tri al of Hanley, the soldier, and could bear teatitainkr totheacquittal having been unanimous on the.part of: the bench of .131agis-. mates: Such, however, was the state of the country, that. t arr ie e c e o d nd to uc p t e o ti f tio th n e th en e after the trial the whole .of the forty.three. Magistrates • to excuse in Insurrection Act. There was, no doubt, much on nor could he for one panic. zi.iut then he nt , for the re_moval-of the abuse heaped upon that body. I t j in in the undisting9ishing kept the Protestant part of was certain that their conduct could not deny that that panic had been increased by f • unfair means. was a sufficient argument in f a ., means. This fact, how , must ' be the state of your of the measure; for what m that coun- Lord tholic try in the event of Counter Associations, which this panic A L ss ie oc uteu iat a i ti country in a state of great alarm and