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(54- 1) , SOP OTIIIG, &c. v ICTUAL L LING Q 1 F 1 P EP. 4, 1831. 'HE Commissioners - for Victualling His ill„ Atjeaty' s N avy , & cc . d o h ere b y g i ve N ot i ce, t h at t trit thAY, the 18th instant, they will be ready to receive s f e . tl en in writing (sealed up), and treat fur the supply lait• he u ndermentioned Articles, to be delivered into his esty's Victualling Stores at Deptford, a; Quantity. • CLOTH JACKETS, N 0.2 5,000 No.. At/ c „. TKO WS ERS, No. 2 10,000 Pair CLOTH _ 100, , 00 Yards ~tLANT Z E„L WAISTCOATS 10,000 No.. 41 E 4' -a. DRAWERS - 10,000 Pair 15,000 No. et At ILK HAN DKER , 34 48 . •11Es• sE ., 30 inches wide p:S, HORN - IS' SLOP CLOTHING. JACKETS - 1,00 °. 1 '; ° .• ?AN TROWSERS 1,000 ,LA Q I L WAISTCOATS 1,000 P N ' 7,4li.i,'Qr.L DRAWERS - 1,000 Pair - - 1,000 No. S 500 No. H° - 2,000 Pair e1,,, 1 , 41 : P1as of each - of the - above-mentioned articles of Slop Sc'L and the Conditions of the Contracts may 1 ,. - "ti at this Of fi ce. 11 1 ,7, 4- Tend er must spec if y t h e pr i ce i n wor d s at l engt h, *a delivered before One o'clock on the day appointed ; wiy Person who makes the Tender, or some Person behalf, must attend to answer when called for. iZ. : - Period of De. livery. - _ - - 10,001 No. - - - - 1,000 No. - 15,000 Pair b,OOO Yards 1,500 Cross One-half of each befurethe Maynext, and the re 'rnainder be fore the Tit of June follow ing. M. WALLER CLIFTON. re, .., I'HE PETITION from MERCHANTS, toim BANKERS, and OTHERS, of the CITY of lir a . ", to both HOUSES of PARLIAMENT, s t , ) 2°R . for a TEMPERATE REFORM in the REPRE , - AVATION of the PEOPLE in the COMMONS 'i I ,,,,USE of PARLIAMENT, and RETRENCHMENT I:s4 EXPENDITURE of the PUBLIC MONEY, lies I I 3 i t . t i n ature at the City of London Tavern, Bishopsgate- e• 0 ' quAL BRAZILIAN MINING ASSOCIATION. I, . „WIN CHESTER HOUSE, BROAD-STREET, FEB. 3, 1831. NOTICE is hereby given that a SPECIAL g o of•,,_ G ENERAL MEETING of the PROPRIETORS 11 Tk 7I ‘, 4 „ASSocIATIoN will be held at the LONDON i , of,'tEN, in Bi s h o p sga t e - street , on T HURSDAY , t h e Sd 41arch next, at Two o'clock precisely, for the purpose 41 WipLECTING THREE DIRECTORS in the places of I Lliatu laxtfi Esq., Edward Samuel Walker, 'Of Alji3Tand Geor64 - '.l..ewis Hollingsworth, Esq., and ONE ':‘,l l ' l ' o ll, in the place of Henry James Brooke, Esq., ,' t it l n ge out of office inaccordance with the 10th and 315th erpn e ' of the Deed of Settlement, but who being re -1 — "l e. offer themselves for re-election. L. J. SIMOENS, Secretary. BISHOP CHESTER'S NEW WORK. AThis day was published, Svc). price 98. hoards, , PRACTICAL EXPOSITION of the 00 SPELS of ST. MATTHEW and ST. MARK, bme f orm of Lectures, intended to assist the Practise of o elestie I nstruction and Devotion. )' the Right Rev. JOHN BIRD SUMNER, D.D. A r • Lord Bishop of Chester. Ivh n I nted fir Hatehard and Son, 187, Piccadilly; of n abe bad his Lord hip's previous publications. Nm t he Isth of February, in One large Volume, thick .0., price 255., UNBAR and BARKER'S GREEK tt in and ENGLISH LEXICON.—A GREEK and Itt.: 1:18 II LEXICON for the use of Schools and Col- R e i et ' c ontainin g a var i ety o f C r i t i ca l, Phil o l og i ca l , an d ti e% ti fic matter, not hitherto found in any Greek Dic ecki Also an ENGLISH awl GREEK LEXICON, tsa r Pn ' i ng a numb er o f Idi oma ti c Ph rases , for the use of e advanced Students. A GEORGE DUNBAR, A.M., F. R. S. E., A Pro fessor of Greek in the U n i vers ity o f Edi n b urg h ; iiE• H. BARKER, E sq ., o f Th et f or d , N orfo lk . S'i tn „ V l,ted for Maclachlan and Stewart, Edinburgh ; and ‘ l n and Marshall, London. kit THEODORE HOOK'S NEW WORK. 4 This day was published, in 3 vols. post Bvo. A XWE-1, k o„ 1 37 the Author of " Sayings and Doings." ev tl . oof the writers whose reputation will exist, and h e I Increase in celebrity, is the author of ' Maxwell.' Itlii th a l rnitable talent at working out the humours and ,rif e -?'"Alities of character. His portraits are marked by 11et,1, 412 th, and originality. There is not a page in the kibyllidlvhich might not have been talked, and which it i Sit„ b °t have been amusing to hear. The truth is, 1 4, 4 7 auth or is a man who can talk himself, and whose .... t "abitually leave him in a form to amuse and strike." • stator, Itr e , ib tY Colb urn and Richard Bentley, New Burlington 't• k, PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. TING of - a numerous PUBLIC Al th E e E .411,rprbe,Pectatile INHABITANTS of COUNTY of Old en NESS, held at the County Town of WICK, in the h day of Ja bait;4tuy Hall, on WEDNESDAY, the 19th ar_ .144 julstant, to discuss the Question and Details of P Ntl in tit ri Reform, , It u AIACDONALD of Shebster, J. P., in the Chair, 4 ittti 44 Resolved- Ist. That it is the opinion of this tielittng, that the people of this kingdom havfeano excessive l'44tionahoured under the great grievanceo a t ,Pre t ,,,,. an extravagant Government, and . Legislature t° ' 0,-, un g only the wealthy and powerful , and that in t el thi"ion of thik Alteting great numbers . cf the people , N no ' e l e "ntY, thou g h brought up in habits of f ex m tre t n h i e e 94 as ei ,! an d spar e living, are suffering severely South. ; Ea . us es which afflict their brethren in the . re_ '' c 'it'in at this Meeting has learned with much_ re Do i n g '' I,tii. that the great body of the people of England Sirrh determined to obtain a thorough Reform in the a . N e ' o i t ,: l Reuse of Parliament, in order that their legi- NS eePresentatives may correct abuses and remove the 44. At afflict them. 4tre t ,._ That this Meeting has farther learned with the :1%7 satisfaction, that a new Administration has lately figid Zeds•-pledged, not merely to retrenchment . and mn : hs -g thej " - "n'Y) but likewise to effect, as the only condition r ' 4 4. C ren al ' in office, a complete Reform in Par ia i l A. t4 „ i iti ti , l' i hat this Meeting seivs this favourable moment :,' t i t , }eir voice to that of the English people in favour t'aor:;;elnehlrient,--rig.d economy —and a complete and "ktt gt ,, l 'L Reform in parliament ; and to declare their de " ' Pe eo , l - feet,4viction that ‘ although most undoubtedly the ,' 1 11 e Ily°t,-,,,,"glanil' require a Reform in their Representa till44, --' the Repreeetative system of Scotland stands :eretit. ater.need of Reform, not possessing at present s . 4 t Ilieeirtiling quality : and this'Aleeting confidently trusts 1 - Wil 14k Southern Brethren will, were it only for their I t A ° l l :eer t; : t ;' take all the necessary steps, as far as they are Or ail' ; insure purity of Scottish Elections, and no w - gvi t i h _,"'i the Elective Franchise to be limited to a few sPi.Zatilty'oarntd_arll elections, without exception, whether Qt and it ,t . l gh Members, to be made in the most t._, 'l,, rottrary manner. 1 *, 4 „ hi le ll o a ,. t as it is the duty of every man to help to de . 4tigitei,,iee counts protect property, and preserve .. order; it . h i ._ t4 ti4 ) , i' t a p•feahly t o th e principles of the British Con !: If lu , I Jost and right that the people should have f kuj lk e of v p i " ti ng their representatives in the Commons kiii Witi„,_arlianient, which assists in milking the laws . lts;'nri o - " all measures of taxation ; and this Meeting i , 4 41 p e ed that it ii. 1,,,, tut , would be tli: 4 llty .'uents, and the short and simple method of Uli,,tisinfrave,et ballot at all elections, in order to facilitate . e; g i tli n,p tott 6 :_i svoteli, prevent bribery, corruption, confusion, ~,,!til,i ~yi,shc,,oll.,.,47eardsteeinya,ble every voter to make his choice t tp it 6 th . . 14 6 InaY and freely, according as his views ,I) and sag M e tit gis of opinion that the arbi % -'" sous . e . !-- - • representation . 4 4 , 1 tek,uti es,,i division of the Scottish ,t,ci,,Per h i c e s aled districts of burgh., is both cumbrous I ,totrit t4 - 73 ' ° _:' in its operation ; and that under existing ; % 1 4 ' 1 ; Of eie t et !, a better system of representation would _ '.14,, kea titlf l. ng !I member for every county, city, and . la. actu t , i. s A , ote .. mg town--every inhabitant householder tt- k 't, 'or the place in which he is domiciled. 4,,, 1 11ie f , : 14 t this Meeting are of opinion that the plan of t-s:4oftiatk presented"diVi representation for this county, in hap alternate alt! system of returning a Member only to 4 4 4 te i4(iribate Parliament, would, without an entire it t , tii to thane triod e of election, be of no advantale what- Vatic ° lily 4 ,7 ° Ple ; because every repetition of arbitrary w il bl y in a Corrupt electioneerint, among the people, in :Vl:ter", e i r e,ases the amount of base feeling, and curtails iti2l% Till'itglta T 1157 still remain to them. :17 : 44. _ t the follovving Gentlemen form a Committee i vijg,nP petitions founded on the foregoing resolu- Li-si t r „ • ,antain 7,,,,_ , , Josiah Sutherland, ~Nsk,iethol:o ~..A,Aa,uun.alit, Messrs. Nslii t . t, and Ale'win. Davidson, Stephen Davidson, John o lit _ x. Praser—antl that the petitions, after tirrnwiteelt at thick for signatures, be forwarded by N. 4 ki, 4 fnr Presentation to the House of Lords by ! I :RI ~ g, and the House of Commons by Mr. Hume, VVti ili re_ . q lest that they will have them read in Parlit 1/4;:.,inse their beat exertions in support of them. a t ti;:afert t e lie , . Com m it tee take the necessary steps for %a, md gtc"._fig Resolu ti ons inserted in the Scotsman, ''-'n Newspapers. iTS. ad of 3i Tromseg.) , T. JA 31 ES'S) £2 2 t° 0 0 3 2 5 I 3' 315 b 2 15 2 avv 1 16 II load higher th3ltr, upply v 2 5 tO( ! 0 0 3 0 V 4 0 q ally 3 I Straw 1 10 tea. ,rice: as last cloc,, 7. —Feb '2. Ob i* ; .ted, and the asse4ith,, id of meat net .'k stone of Sib. to 5 0 j 4s. 04. to 6 :; , 1 --- 4 0 81, 0 - otil 2d. td 6d. Pq of ces 01.1)c) wise statto, s in''' ; F 1 4 3. 37. But 3 —Feb. 1. 4 , ea to 4 1 3 8 is Ur iskILL 4 5 4 3 04 Dr old Pigsl2s to l e* 'ade —Feb. 2. „ 6 1 c 11 E Cats. S.Jt S. 2.5 3, 1 IS 28 5. 1 18 22 ± 3 O 22 28 $2 7 °4 31 " 21 28 $ 9 „ 0.2 19 o 3 o- •••••• 22 ns 41 24 :10 34 23 28 .1' Ells. 9d., I;at to. • to 11 s Od ; P a 46' '0 4:. ET.—Feb. 1..1. 495 to d ...... 37 5 . to to 2.55. to 24g. ° cl ref dish 131 to 14 1 / 2 to 3fis Ty r I —Feb. 1. ..New - - 5. hood 01d... —s. ...S. IC. & %old —5. reign .05. ey --s 7eigr per last r.l rl hardly at Lord Gasl' i l lo to Peerage ; an d cl 4 ent, the whole Al ;•tematimlly . 0 19 ig the way in At' hope, for the / ,ort may be unto )RGE the Y i T paced in o ' 6 l t his veassioto 1,000,000/. ! 6 :o‘ if taxation 6, 0 ° 1n f the expense -o, Ai this " reign co of 2,000,000 o f ° all is ce rtai 9l) l prld. It was hos oerant shown'f ° ,'o cornrr of Hip p :o l by exhibiting • • very identica l " Fools," and so it proYe —A V F. era/0 JO 'xtra :e ordinary .e. 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Fortla:my• 21 rice 3 , to jorpo,' ND, iVo. 11,982 LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 5, 1831. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. all parts of the House.) lie would repeat that ballot was becoming fishionable.—(Continued cries of " No, no.") He was decidedly of opinion that if the views of the inha bitants of London, Westminster and Southwark were col lected, it would be found that ninety-nine out of every hundred were in favour of vote by ballot. Mr. HUNII , , presented a petition froin St. James's, Clarkenwell, praying for Reform and rote by ballot, and others to a similar effect from Perth and several parishes in Scotland. This was not the fact ; in .the sense of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, for the claim of the Duchess of Orleans, the daughter of Charles. 1., did not descend to the Duke of Orleans, the present King of the French, but to the Duchess of. Modena; and she, as be had stated, had no inelination to assert it. It was true that the Ex-King Charles X. had married a d iughter of the house of Savoy, but he believed that but little. apprehension was entertained for the safety of the throne of this kingdom front the heirs of that Royal personage.—(Hear.)--With respect to the motion before the House, he could not anti cipate any objection. It went merely to separate into two Bills, the two branches of that which he had introduced in one Bill on a former occasion. It was his intention to proceed then only with that branch by which the neces sity for taking the oaths before the Lord Steward pre viously to their taking their seats in that House would be done away with. The other branch—that for abolishing the oath of abjuration—he would postpone till after the decision of the House on his Hon. Friend's motion for the relief of our Jewish fellow-subjects. On the question that the SPEAKER do leave the chair, Mr. GOULBURN should give the Right Hon. Mem ber's proposition for doing away with the oath of abjura tion a most decided negative.—(Hear.) Mr. PERCEVAL begged leave to remind Hon. Mem bers,_that the act of settlement and the oath of abjuration were the expression of the great Protestant principle as serted at the revolution ; and that therefore the latter could not be done -sway with without disparagement to our Pro testant Constitution. HOUSE OF LORDS, FEERUARY 4. The LORD CHA NCELLOR did not take his seat on the Woohack till nearly Half-past Five o'clock. REFORM. Lord KING presented petitions from Launceston, St. James's, Clerkenwell, Kidderminster, the Political Union, Stirling, Perth, Knaresborough, and several other places, praying fur Reform. . , The Earl of rtADNOR presented petitions of a similar nature from Totness, Lewes, the Ward of Farringdon Without, Dursley in Gloucestershire, Wolverhampton, Crawford -street, Manchester, and several other places. The Duke of NORFOLK presented petitions from St. Nicholas, Galway, for the equalisation of civil rights and the abolition of slavery. MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS. England Ireland Scotland Sir J. SCARLETT, and several other Members from the Common., brought up the Judgment and Execution Bill, which the House of Commons had agreed to with some amendments. Mr. CA stran.r. brought up a private Bill. The Earl of ROSSLYN presented petitions from four Royal Burghs in Fife, praying for Reform. Lord FARNHAM moved for eertain returns relating to the growth of tobacco in Ireland.—Ordered. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, in presenting peti tions praying for Parliamentary Reform, from Greenock, Crompton, Doncaster, Witham, and several other places, took occasion to express his satisfaction that a plan of Reform had been now agreed upon with the unanimous approbation of all his Majesty's Ministers, a plan which he had no doubt would give very general . satisfaction, and would be of lasting duration. That plan, which would shortly be presented to the other House, had had his most hearty concurrence ; and when the subject came before their Lordships, he should state to the House the reasons on which he grounded his assent to that measure.--(flear.) The House adjourned at Ten Minutes before Six o'clock till Monday. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER felt him self called upon to remind the House, that it was then indulging in a most needless and unexpected discussion— (Hear)--on subjects which, in the very terms of his Right Hon. Friend's motion, would come substantively and sepa rately before the House on other occusions. Sir C. WETHEDELL would take the sense of the House on the Right Hon. Gentleman's motion, if it should be implied that his assenting to it would be a permission to the Right Hon. Gentleman to bring in a Bill for abo lishing the oath of abjuration, which was part and parcel of the Constitution as established at the revolution. Sir R. INGLIS would also press his opposition to the motion to the vote, if the Right Hon. Gentleman should take the assent of the House to it as an argument in favour of his bringing in a Bill for abolishing the oath of abjuration. General GASCOYNE would vote with his Hon. Friend who had spoken last, should he divide the House on the Right Hon. Gentleman's motion ; for he Lad not heard any thing from the Right Hon. Gentleman which, in his mind, amounted to a justification of it. Mr. SADLER thought that the House ought to pro ceed circumspectly on a matter of this importance. After a desultory conversation, in which several Mem bers joined, the motion was agreed to. On the question that the SPZAKEIt do now leave the chair, Mr. C. WYNN took occasion to observe, that the House had not pledged itself to this Bill before the vacation ; on the contrary, it was expressly stated that the discussion upon it would be better taken in the Committee. He in tended to proceed with one of these Bills without delay, and to postpone the other to another day, when the die. cussion might be taken upon it. Sir E. KNATCHBULL hoped that an opportunity would be given for discussing the principle of these two Bills separately, and that Hon. Members by assenting to the Speaker's now leaving the chair, would not be consi dered as pledged to the support of either of them. Mr. C. WYNN—Certainly not. The SPRAWL then left the chair. The Bill went into the Committee, where it way divided into two Bills. The report on each was brought up and read. The report on the Lord Steward's Oaths Bill was ordered to be taken into consideration on this day se'nnight, and the report on the Oath of Abjuration Bill on the 20th of February. CIVIL LIST. Lord ALTHORP laid upon the table of the House papers relating to the estimate of the future annual charge of the Civil List. The Noble Lord then said :—Pursuant to the notice I gave on a former day, I now proceed, Sir, to discharge the duty I have undertaken, in moving that these papers be referred to a Committee on the Civil List. In making this motion, it will be my duty shortly to state what his Majesty's Ministers have proposed to do with re spect to the Civil List. In framing these estimates, we have endeavoured to follow out the course which it ap (Hear, hear.) In the fir s t pl ace , b p i e w a u re li d i t i o m be ad tl o ie pt s ed vi . st of this House, on a for mer occas i on , then, we propose to refer the Civil List to a Committee.— l ahv e oe a suhdee l dd t t o h t e a re pp w ea a r : any g ti e l n e tl o eran sio i n n t t o lie wi llo c u h se l , tha w to t i did n ninish the comforts of his Majesty, or to detract from the dignity of the Crown. The questionion that occasion, aryl the discussion which then took place, arose upon the objections to the Civil List as proposed by the late Government, because that Civil List contained in many points matter not connected with the dignity of the Crown or with the personal comfort of his Majesty. It was also objected to, because the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite refused to refer it to a Committee. In proposing the Estimates which I now lay upon the table, I have en deavoured to avoid these objections. I have laid out of them all those charges which the Civil List formerly con tained which do not appear to me connected with the personal comfort of his Majesty or with the dignity of the Crown.—(Hear, hear.) I have differed also from the Right Hon. Gentleman with respect to the mode of divid ing the Civil List. He divided it into ten classes. That principle of division appeared to me inconvenient, and I have divided it into five classes. The first of these classes is that for the Privy Purse and the allowance to her Ma jesty—the second relates to the service of the Household —th e third to the expences of the Household—the fourth class comprises the sums appropriated for the Royal Bounties—and the fifth consists of the Pensions. I have made this division of the classes of the items forming the Civil List, because it appeals to me that all the rest ought to be under the controul of Parliament. —(Hear, hear.) It is desirable that his Majesty, with regard to his personal income, and with respect to that which concerns his per sonal comfort, should be independent of this or of the other House of Parliament. —(Heer, hear.)—lle ought not to be liable to have inquiries made into the mode of that expenditure ; which would be a hardship on any in dividual whatever, and which would be the greater on ac count of the dignified station h e held. With regard to the first of these classes—the vote for the Privy Purse, and the allowance to her Majesty —I do not intend to propose any alteration w hatever. The sum charged to that class is 110,000/. being composed of 60,0001. for the Privy Purse, and t 50,h00a0t1a . e for l Queen. n. O ffi l e V e i r t s h o r f es t p h e e c t H t o o u t s b e e . s ec ond cl a s s-- relating to Q h to hold.—the sum formerly proposed was 140,546/. I pro pose that the charge for that class should now be 130,300/. I do not mean that the House should consider this as a re duction to that amount, but that it ar i ses f rom a class--that change iu the arrang ement , t h e re d uct i on b e i ng occa sioned by the removal of the salaries of officers of the Boardof Works f rom t h e Ci v i l List to the Consolidated Fond, I have mad e thi s a l terat i on, b ecause I thin k that all these officers should be und e r th e con t rou l o f Parliament. — (Hear, hear.)—A reduction is 'also occa sioned by the abolition of the office of Auditor of the Civil List. That has long b een a sinecure office—the duties have been performed by th e D eputy A u di tor, an d I have therefore thought it oug h t to b e a b o li s h e d . T he H ouse will howeve r perce i ve, that to deduct those two nd. sums—the salaries connected with the Beard of Works, about 10 ,0001., and the expence of the Auditor of the Civil List, 2,4001.—wi1l make a larger reduction than the amount I have stated ; but it is counterbalanc e d by including seine smaller sala ries, at present paid from other classes, which the House will perhaps not think it necessary that I should particularize. The third class proposed by the Right Hon. Gentleman was for the expence of the Household of his Majesty, and his suggestion was to the extent of 210,500/. My proposition for the same class is 171,500/. ; and I must here remark, that I am not bound to state the sum as a n actual reduction, as the difference arises from transfer ring the charge of the Board of Works to a different de partments When I first looked at the subject, I confess it seetne.l extraordinary that while the expence of all articles of consumption was so much decreased, the charge for the maintenance of the Royal Household had r,maiiied un abated ; but on examining the subject more minutely and accurately, I have arrived at the opinion that a le ductien cannot be made without compelling his Majesty either to - alter his present state of living or to incur debt. lam sure the House will not wish that either alter native should take place.—(Hear, hear.) It must not be forgotten that an increase of expenditure is necessarily oc casioned by the circumstance that we have happily at pre- 0 7 • t, .1,. • ' ,• • _ •• * - 770, t s . 4 'O4O • f - - • s • „, - Ark"( ' 4 146r t -4, • • , , 6% „o f . - • „ t o ,1, , h .- , A i 4 E1.0 it A I. tw • 1 t Sla - S. ,„ • - • ,olltaik; PRICE 7D. sent a Queen Consort.—(Hear.) I am prepared to assert that his Majesty could not live in his present style with a ►mailer allowance, unless he pursued a system of greater economy in all the departments of the Royal Household.— (Hear, hear.)—Th e fourth class relates to the Royal bounty and charity, and the sum proposed by the Right lion. Gentleman was 234,0001. per annum. In that I shall suggest no alteration. In the fifth class—that of pensions—l have made the greatest change. The follow ing was the scale of pensions charged by the Right Hon. Gentleman on the Civil List of England, Ireland, and Scotland : . £74,200 53,795 31,2'22 Total - - X 150,217 I perfectly agree with those who think that a liberal allow ance ought to be made to the King, to enable him to re ward the services of the meritorious—to assist those whom his Majesty considers distressed, and to bestow marks of favour where those marks of favour are deserved.— (flear.)—Neverthelets, I am satisfied that the sum of 159,0001. is a great deal too much to be so applied.— (Hear.)—l know that it was the intention of the Dukeof Wellington to lessen it to 144,0001. in the following man ner—pensions were to be allowed out of the Civil List of England to the amount of - - £74,200 Ireland - - - 40,000 Scotland -. - - 30,000 £144,200 Still that turn would, in my view, be too much—(Hear, hear.)—My proposition is to bring the English, Irish, and Scotch pensions into one sum, which would much simplify and improve the account—(Hear.) I propose that the House should grant for the purpose no more than 75,0001. making a reduction of 69,000/.—(Much cheering.)—l will now explain to the House the mode in which I mean to effect this reduction. Three modes have occurred to me. It might be done—first, by granting no pension until the list was reduced to the sum I propose ; it must be evi dent, however, that this plan would be unfair to his pre sent Majesty, as it would, in all probability, prevent him from granting a single pension. The second mode might he, that as pensions fall in, his Majesty should be allowed to grant a smaller tutu, so as gradually to reduce the amount of the list. This plan is liable to some degree of objection ; and the mode in which I propose to effect the reduction is the third. It is this :—That the pensions should be taken by seniority, and that those which amount to 75,0001., standing at the head of the whole number, should be placed on the Civil List ; so that the public should gain the advantage as the others fall in. lam aware that this plan gives his Ma jetty an advantage in the division ; but, considering the great sacrifices made in the whole amount, I do not think that the house will object to allow it.—(Hear.) It is necessary for me to explain the grounds on which I do not propose to remove any of the existing pensions, and I will state them shortly. It is certainly true, and no man is more ready to assert it than I am, that many of the pen sions on the list are such as ought never to have been granted.—(Hear, hear)—but after the best examination I have been able to give the subject, I am able to say that the majority are merely and purely pensions of charity. I willingly admit that we have the legal right to put an end to all those pensions; they expire, by law, with the demise of the Clown, and it has no right to renew them. But though we may have a legal right, I doubt if we have an equitable right, to abolish them; because they were un doubtedly always granted on the supposition that the party recctving them obtained them far life. The result of my statement unquestionably is, that there is no immediate saving to the public. When I say that there is no immediate saving, it ought not perhaps to be omitted that there is a saving to the extent of about 20,000/. ; but I do not pat it forward so far as a measure of economy. I think the great recommendation of my plan is the abstraction from the Civil List, not under the controul of Parlia ment, the sum of 460,0001. per annum, which hereafter will be placed under the supervision of the House.— The suggestion of the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Goulburn) was that 970,000/. should be granted for the Civil List, over the disbursements of which 'this house could exercise no controul. My plan is, that only 510,0001. should be so circumstanced ; and although what I have opened to the House may not occasion any immediate saving, it will ultimately lead to it, and it will give Parliament the controul it ought to exercise. Hay ing said so much respecting the Civil List, I may remark, that there is another point, not indeed immediately be longing to it, but intimately connected with it, upon which I feel it try duty to say a few words. On the mat riage of King George the Third, the mum of 54,0001. was granted to Queen Charlotte for her jewels, besides the out fit with which she was provided. In the case of the Princess Charlotte, also, a large sum was voted for the outfit of her Royal Highness; and I have reason to be lieve that a proposition for granting an outfit to her present Majesty was under the consideration of the late Government. I believe that I am correct when I state, that the Duke of Wellington did not consider it un reasonable that such a proposal should he made to the House of Commons. Considering that her Majesty had to provide the whole of her Royal Establishment, and that many difficulties must necessarily be encountered when ever d person began in debt, it did not seem to me unrea sonable that an outfit should be granted by Parliament. But I have the satisfaction of informing the House, that his Majesty, with the liberality which belongs to the con stitution of his mind, with that considerativeness which renders him so attentive to the wishes of his subjects, and with that solicitude far the public welfare which has already given so much general satisfaction, declines to accept it.—(Loud cheering from all sides.)—We cannot pretend to insinuate, either in this House or out of it, that the measures we propose have not received the sanc tion and approval of his Majesty. We have the happiness to serve a Royal Master, who is glad to give a ready ac quiescence to every suggestion tending to promote the welfare of his people. He has commenced his reign as, perhaps, the most popular King in our history, and lie bids fair to preserve that popularity by an earuest and con stant desire to merit it.—(Much cheering. )—I beg to move that the papers be referred to the Select Commit tee.—(lledr, hear.) Mr. GOULBURN—I do not rise to enter into any de tails regarding the Civil List, and I shall follow the ex ample of the Noble Lord and his friends, who, when I had the honour of making my statement, reserved the expres.ion of a decided opinion until they had due time for consideration. But I cannot refrain, even upon this first occasion, from off.ring a few observations upon what has fallen from the Noble Lord. I understood that the decision the House came to in November last was, that the details of the measure were to he submitted to a Com mittee up stairs, in order that they might report not only what they thought ought to be the amount of the Civil List, but the details they considered expedient. I under. stood the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir H. Parnell) who pro. posed the Committee, grounded himself upon a precedent which went the length I have stated. He intended that any measures, afterwards to be introduced by Ministers, should result from the inquiries of that Committee; and the point at issue between the Right Hon. Baronet and myself was, whether the preparation of the estimates belonged most to the servants of the Crown or to a Select Committee. Whatever was the decision of the House upon that occa sion, I am glad, at least, to have the sanction of the Noble Lord to the principle, that it was the duty of the Government, let it be composed of whom it might, to undertake the task of preparing the estimates, instead of delegating the responsibility to others. The Noble Lord has said that he has endeavoured to conform himself to the principle advanced in debate by those who opposed the plan I had the honour of submitting. He has excluded front the Civil List all that was not strictly attached to the personal comfort and dignity of the Sove reign, and he is, no doubt, aware, that in taking this course he has been guilty of a departure from the principle upon which every Government has hitherto acted in the settlement of the Civil List. It has always been the practice at the commencement of every reign to provide for the Civil Government, and for the expense of the Civil List in one sum. The Noble Lord takes upon him self, for the first time, to separate the provision for the personal comfort of the Sovereign from the provision for the Civil Government ; and when he comes to look into the various departments, I apprehend he will find 'it ex treinely difficult to follow up the principle he has adopted. There is in the Constitution a connection so intimate be tween what regards the Civil Government of the country, and what concerns the dignity and comfort of the Crown, that when the Noble Lord examines the details, lie will find it very difficult to justify some of the charges he has left on the Civil List. But I shall be Letter prepared to discuss this point when the minutia HOUSE OF COMMONS, FEBRUARY 4. The SPEAKER took the Chair precisely at Three o'clock ; when several new Members took the oaths and their seats. Several private Bills were brought in and read a first time. Sir J. NEWPORT presented a petition from the Cham ber of Commerce at Waterford, praying for a repeal of the duty on sea-borne coals. The Right Honourable Member then presented another petition from the same place, signed by 400 persons who were present at a meet ing convened by the Mayor, for the purpose of petitioning for a Reform in Parliament and vote by ballot. He (Sir J. Newport) fully concurred in the propriety of Re form ; he had been of that opinion from the first day he took bis seat in the House, and every succeeding day had confirmed his opinion of the absolute necessity of the measure; for, he would say, unless it were carried, the country could not expect to derive any real benefit. With respect to the vote by ballot, he would not say that he was decidedly opposed to it, but he must confess that he had not made up his mind as to its propriety. The petition was brought up and read, On moving that it be printed, the Right Hon. Baronet stated that in a few days he should have to present a simi lar petition from the corporation of Waterford under its seal, which would show that in the city which he had the honour to represent there existed no difference of opinion on this important subjeet.—The petition was ordered to be printed. Mr. LITTLETON presented a petition from Walsall, Staffordshire, praying for reduction of taxation generally, but more particularly for the reduction of the duty on newspaper stamps, and also for an extensive plan of Reform and retrenchment. The Hon. Member said the petition had his most hearty support, particularly that part of it which prayed for a reduction of the stamps on newspapers, as that was the only medium through which the people could derive information. Mr. HART DAVIS presented a petition from Bris tol, praying for a reduction on sea-borne coals; and another for the abolition of slavery. LABOURIN POOR. Mr. SADLER postponed his notice of motion for taking measures to alleviate the present distress of the labouring poor until Tuesday, the Bth of March. Sir R. FERGUSON presented petitions from Forfar and five other places in Scotland, praying for Parliamentary Reform. Mr. DENISON presented a petition from Godalming, in favour of Reform. The Honourable Member said as this was the first petition which he had had the honour to present from the county he represented, he hoped he should be excused in stating that he had for many years been an advocate for Reform. He had long been pledged to that measure, and rejoiced that the country had now a Ministry honest and bold enough to bring it forward. They should have his hearty support. He was not an advocate for annual Parliaments or universal suffrage, but Ile wished for such a Reform as would tend to the benefit of all. Mr. BRISCOE supportud the petition. Air. DENISON presented a petition from the farmers in the vicinity of Reigate, praying for a repeal of the Malt Tax, and a commutation of tithes. Mr. JAMES LOCH, in presenting petitions from the county of Ross and two other places in favour of Reform, said, as be concurred so entirely with the prayer of the petitions, be would merely move that they be brought up. After a few words from Mr. Hustrt in support of the petitions, they were ordered to be printed. Sir C. HASTINGS presented a petition from Loughbo rough, praying for a repeal of the Malt Tax and the Coin Laws, abatement of taxation, Reform in Parliament, and vote by ballot. The Hon. Member was in favour of a repeal of the Corn Laws, but did not approve of vote by Lord FORDWICH presented a petition from Canter bury, praying for a Reform in Parliament. Mr. KENNEDY presented several similar petitions from various boroughs in Scotland. GENERAL FAST. Sir W. INGILBY presented a petition from s place in Lincolnshire, praying that the House would be pleased to implore his Majesty that he would graciously direct a day to be set apart for a General Fast, on account of the dis tressed state of the country.—(Great laughter.) . _ . , Mr. DUNCOMBE presented a similar petition from a place in Yorkshire.—(A laugh.) Mr. PHILLPOTTS presented a petition from Glou cester, praying for a reduction of taxation, and an abate ment of expenditure. Mr. Alderman WINCHESTER presented a petition from the ward of Vintry, praying for the repeal of the six shilling duty on seals carried coastwise. In presenting the petition, he begged to state that he understood that as his Majesty's Ministers had it in contemplation to take the subject into consideration, it was unnecessary for him to say more on the subject than to observe that the peti tioners, in preferring their petition, did it not with a view to embarrass his Majesty's Government, or to do any thing that might interfere with the financial credit of the country. CRESSET PELHAM would take that opportu tunity of asking the Hon. Baronet opposite (Sir T. Ack land) whether he had any intention of postponing his mo tion respecting a repeal of the duty on coals. Sir T. ACKLAND was understood to reply that he would not consent to a postponement beyond the Bth of March. Mr. P. GURNEY presented a petition from Norwich, praying for a repeal of the Assessed Taxes. Alderman WAITHMAN had intended to bring the subject under the consideration of the House, but trusted the present Government would be so convinced of the necessity of the reduction as to save him the trouble of a motion. The Worthy Alderman then presented a petition from the Ward of Farringdon Without, praying for Reform, in doing which, lie said, whatever opi nion might have been entertained by some of the inhabitants, he believed they were notv one and all con vinced of the necessity of Reform. He himself was favourable to election by ballot. Mr. HUNT, as a Liveryman of London, wished to address a few words to the House on the subject of this petition. He was glad to bear that the Worthy Alderman had at length become a convert, an d was willing to support election by ballot. If that system had been adopted in his own ward, lie would at the present time have had different associates.—(Laughter.) He (Mr. Hunt) was happy to find that the ballot was getting into fashion.—(Loud cries of " No, no," from, lIIIPEACHMENT OF THE LA'T'E MINISTRY. Mr. HUME presented a petition from a Mr. Richard Jones, of Limehouse, which stated that in the petitioner's opinion, the Duke of Wellington, Lord Aberdeen, Sir R. Peel, and the other Members comprising the late Ad ministration, hail conspired to ruin the country.—(Loud laughter.)—He trusted, therefore, that the House would order them to be impeached.—(Laughter.) OATHS IN PARLIAMENT BILL. • Mr. C. WYNN, in rising to move the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself into a Committee on the above Bill, would at present proceed with only one part of the measure, and would allow the other to stanri over until after the House had come to a decision upon the mo tion of which the Judge-Advocate had given notice, re specting the Jews. Sir H. INGLIS thought that much inconvenience might arise from allowing Members to proceed to the election of a Speaker, without having previously taken the oaths before the Lord Steward ; but there existed a much stronger objec tion to the measure. Members entered that House free to repeal all statutes on the books, except one. That ex ception would be swept away if the present Bill should pass. The oath of abjuration bound Members not to re peal the Act of Settlement. A man of no mean literary celebrity had declared, that the title of the House of Ha nover to the throne of this kingdom, to the exclusion of the Sardinian family, depended entirely on the Act of Settlement. The oath of abjuration was the only exist ing security against the disturbance of the Act of Settle ment, and so far the present measure, if carried, would weaken that Act. Mr. FERGUSSON said, that the exclusion of the House of Savoy did not rest on the oaths of any men, but on the efficacy of an Act of Parliament. The oath of abjuration was intended to nest a temporary danger, which had long since passed away. The oath of a<sur ance in Scotland was another remnant of former legisla tion which cught also to be exploded, as it was merely a repetition of the oath of abjuration, and he saw no rea son why Scotch loyalty should be bound by double gua rantees, one when would equally answer the same purpose. There was another oath even more objectionable still, and that was the oath of supremacy, affirming that the Pope's dispensation could not justify the murder of a Prince, and this oath, strange to say, was required of Protestants, and of Protestants alone.—(Hear, hear.) Sir C. WETHERELL said, his Hon. and Learned— or rather his Noble—Friend, Lord Brougham, as be must henceforward call hins, had formerly observed, that in taking the oath of zbjuration, they were only wasting their breath in a vain negative, and he had afterwards conversed upon the subject with that distinguished indivi dual, to whose constitutional principles it was only an act of justice to assume that, placed in the exalted station which he now occupied,. he could never bring himself to sanction the abrogation of that part of the oath conclusive against the claims of the collateral descendants, however he might dispose of what affected lineal descendants, who onlylived in tholetter-press of the oath itself. Every historian —nay, every loyal roan—ought to know that collateral claimants, if such a claim were tenable, might be found on the continent, in the house of Sardinia firstly, and then in the family of King Philip, of France, to pursue the in quiry no farther. If when the Act of Settlement was framed, it was thought necessary to put an end to the claims of the collateral as well as lineal descendants, so touch of the oath as related to the former still ought to be re tained. He did not object to an alteration in the terms of the oath so far as lineal descendants were concerned, and was quite willing to strike out the three words which gave his Learned Friend so much uneasiness, lest they should " waste their breath ;" but be would not consent to the excision of a syllable that would violate the principle of the oath which contemplated the col lateral descendants of the House of Stuart as well as lineal. The King of England, till within some 16 years, assumed amongst his titles the sovereignty of France, although every one knew that such a claim was recognised only in heraldry and court usage, and had no foundation in history or fact. Hon. Gentlemen, when they went to church in former times to hear Braham and Catalani—(Laughter)— might surely remember that this now obsolete title was regularly introduced in the prayer before the sermon, and although Frenchmen were not at all alarmed lest his Bri tannic Majesty might attempt to prosecute his claim, they actually required that the very ghost of such a title should be abjured, and made its renunciation a provision of the Treaty of Amiens. He could mention many other in stances of diplomatic arrangement, es-en still more in point, hut that a recapitulation would be unnecessary.._. (Mr. Wynn was here observed to smile.)—lle begged of the Right Hon. Gentleman to suspend his triumph, it would be quite sufficient for him to chant his Io Pceans by and by.—(Laughter.)—This was not the way to con vince hint, although perfectly open to conviction, that they should alter what was established by the wisdom of centuries. At the same time, in compliance with the suggestion of his Noble and Learned Friend, Lord Vaux —(Laughter)—he would spare the breath of Hon. Gen tlemen, and annul the passage he bad mentioned, b u t would never abolish an oath which comprehended the whole principle of the revolution, which denied to the col lateral descendants of the Stuarts a right, or the shadow of a right, or the colour of a pretension, to the throne of England. On the SPEAKER putting the question that the Ho use should go int o C omm i ttee on t h e oat h s i n Parliament Bill, Mr. C. W. W IiNN, in reply to an objection from the Hon. Baronet, might mention that in the oath taken before the Lord Steward there was not a word about qualifies tion. The declaration on that subject was filed in the Clerk's-office, and the Member was obliged to sw ear at the tabl e o f th e H ouse t h at hi s qua lifi ca ti on is a true one. A single fact would best refute the Hon. Baronet's notion as to the trifling nature of the inconveniences attendant on the present functions of the Lord Steward. In 1810 the then Lord Steward having resigned in the morning, with out the fact having transpired, his deputy proceeded with the swearing of members, all of whom thereby unknow ingly might have forfeited their seats, and incurred the penalty of the - statute. At present should any important question be pending, the Lord Steward, by resigning, might incapacitate every member of the House of Commons, until Ministers should have an opportunity of advising with his Majesty concerning the appointment of a successor. Was there not a specific and most explicit law, by which the house of Sardinia, as well as the other descendants, in the comprehensive sense of the term, of the Stuarts, were totally excluded from the throne of this realm? Wai there not the Act of Settlement, a part, and moat im portant part, of the law of the land, by which the succes sion to the Britislit" Throne was established beyond the reach of controversy, and was not that Act decisive and sufficient on the matter ? Was there any claimant of the house of Stuart at present in existence to alarm them, to " fright th e i s l e f rom i ts propr i ety ?" The representative of that ancient and once Royal f am ily was the Duchess of Modena ; and he 'be lieved even the Hon. Member for the University of Ox ford himself did not suffer much alarm for the safety of the Protestant establishments of the country from the claims of that illustrious lady. The fact was, as the House was well aware, the Duchess of Modena never put forward any claim to the throne of England, founded on her descent from the last of the Stuart Kings; never as sumed any title implying any such claim ; and if ever she did, would her folly be worth a thought unsupported by an army or alliances to enforce it ?__( Hear.) In truth, it was a little too much for common sense to bear with gra vity, that at this period of our history and of the history of the world, Hon. Members should seriously express any apprehension that the doing away with an oath—origin ally imposed for temporary purposes no longer in exist ence—would endanger the succession of the House of Brunswick, and open the way to the throne of this great empire of some quasi collateral descendant of James IL— ( Hear.) Now, suppose the oath of abjuration wholly abolished, is there any Hon. Member would venture to assert that thereby the claims of any descendant from James 11. to the throne of this realm would be promoted one jot, or that the Brunswick succession would be in the least affected by it ?—(Flear.) But, says the Hot!. and Learned Gentleman, _recollect that King Louis Philip is a collateral descendant of the House of Stuart...-. 'are before - the House. The general features of plan of the Noble Lord, as he!'has justly stated, do not ffect any great reduction of expence. He has candidly stated, as I was sure he would do, that having inquired, he found that no considerable diminution of change could be made without infringing on the correforte of the King and on the proper splendour and dignity of the Throne. I may congratulate myself, therefore, on having the b sti many of the Noble Lord in my favour upon this impure taut point, and there is not a candid man in the count, v who would not render the !cane justice to the estimates brought forward by his Majesty's late Government. Whatever may have been said here, or whatever may it have is no been the admitted that they were thecr it yrais:dagain st them neitherout o f d e o x o t2 is . gerated nor improper. There is one important altereti on ' proposed by the Noble Lord, on which I confess 1 feel can ' siderable apprehension. I apprehended that what tl a Noble Lord puts forward as a reduction of expenditure, will, in fact, lead, at no distant period, to a great aggra vation. He tells us that it is intended to abolish tl 0 office established in 1815, of Ateitor of the Civil List, and that this duty is to be transferred ti the Trea sury. The total amount of charge is 2,400!. ; and the reason assigned is, that the duties have been adequately discharged by deputy. I knee that while I was in office the exertions of Cis par ticular officer were essentially necessary -to prevent the needless accumulation of expense in the department of the Civil List connected with the royal household. If. the Noble Lord thinks that the Treasury Board will he quali fied to enter into an examination of details of this sort, or, in fact, that it will do so, he will find himself mis taken ; and encroachments will be then male upon the personal comfort of the Sovereign. lie will find. per haps, ere long, that he his made a false calculation, and that the apparent saving of 2,4004 per :minim may tender it necessary hereafter to apply to Parliament. owing to the want of due controul and the consequent increase of ex penditure. I should say, front my own experience, that if any appointment of the kind has answered the purpose for which it was made, it haw been the office which it is now proposed to abolish. The experiment is at least hazardous, and the effect of it may he to drive the King to Parliament to relieve him from the pecuniary binders of an excess in the expenditure for the royal house hold. I will not now enter into the question, how far it may he expedient to withdraw frem the Civil List that part of the disbursements occasioned by the preservation and repair of the real palaces: the Noble Lord means that these matters shall be annually submitted to Parliament : be thinks that a yearly discussion on such points, and other s connected with the Board of Works, will be highly desirable, inasmuch as they relate personally to the Sovereign. Until lam mare fully informed, I will only remark, that I differ from him in opi nion. The great alteration he proposes in the Civil L'st is the reduction of the pensions, which were 155,000/. a year, and were intended by the late Government to be 140,0001. a year. The Noble Lord's plan is, that they shall be ree dueed to '75,000/. a year. As to the amount of pensions the King ought to be allowed to grant, my opinien is cer tainly not that of the Noble Lord. At no antecedent period has it been so small as the sum I intended to propose. No man can deny the necessi'y of the branch of charitable dis tribution ; hut the Noble Lewd intends to limit his Ma jesty's means in this respect to about half its pre sent amount. My opinion is, that the prerogative of the Crown will thus be unduly and unfairly restricted—not only below what it has been iu former times, but below the amount that ought to be fixed on, comparing the situation of the country w ith the situation of the Crown. If I wanted a popular topic upon which to descant, I should find it here ; but I never have been, and never will be, the slave of popularity. Let me ask who would deprive the head of the State of what is necessary to its proper dignity : I trust, whether in or out of office, I never sl-all be found amongst the number. I concur with the Noble Lord that the proposed change in the pensions will be to the ad vantage of the Crown nether than to its disadvantage. If I understand the new arrangement for the next . f a_ e t iv e(r y ll e ne a wa rre c: the power of the King to grant pensions will be increased, while the restriction will only come into operation at some hear.)futur pLereitodtileanHdou7ederTemsreimmeberrithleior,lvlltiirleistrbyn. stands. Upon the English list, flue King may grant pen sions to the full amount of the annual vacancies; but in Ireland and Scotland has he the same power ? By no ' means: the Crown is limited in the amount, whatever may he the extent of the vacancies. fhe Noble Lord in tends to consolidate the three classes, so as to take away the limitation ; and he besides places upon the Civil List all the seniors among the pensioners, so that the King will have the benefit of all the old lives, which, of course, drop off the fastest, while all the young lives are thrown upon the Consolidated Fund. The Pension List now amounts to 155,0001. per annum, and the vacancies ;n England may be stated, on an average, to amount to about 7,000/. a year. Since then all the young lives are thrown upon the Consolidated Fund, and all the old lives pre served for the Civil List, the result will be, not a saving, but a considerably increased expenditure, by enabling the King to give a greater number of pensions than he would under other circumstances have it in his power to give, Before 1784 the pensions amounted to about 12,0004 and before 1800 to about 42,0004, but now the lives that de crease slowly and gradually will be paid out of the Conso lidated Fund; and those that decrease rapidly, out of the Civil List. Hereafter, in some future reign, and under some other Administration, there may be a restriction upon the power of the Crown to reward public or personal ser vice; but, under the present tilinistry, it can hardly be said to be limited at all.—( Hear, hear.) Ido net state this as an objection to, the arrangement, because I hold it highly expedient that the Crown should possess rutiple means for exercising its bounty. I will nit detain the lloase now by entering into any details ; hut, with re spect to the annual inspection, which the Noble Lord wishes to establish, into the salaries of .Atnbassas dors and Ministers at foreign Courts, I must say that it is an encroachment upon the constitutional tights and pre rogatives of the King—perhaps the tre:test encroachment ever made. If we are to maintain the principle, that the King is to regulate and conduct negotiations with other States, is it possible that it shuuld be preserved, if the Minister of the Crown must come down to the House of Commons to settle thee specific salary of every Envoy__ to state the nature of his claim, the extent of his set vices, and the circumstances that render negotiation nucessaiv ? It seems to me thilt this part of the Scheme sit ikea et the very foundation of a great and valuable constitutional prin. ciple, that the Crown alone is to be entrusted with the ina nrgement of our diplomatic relations. A fortunate con currence of circumstances (though the present aspect of affairs in Europe does not by any means seen► to promi-e them) may prevent inconvenience in this respect for two or three years; but sure I am, that if the Noble Lord succeed in carryieg this part of his measure, many will live to rue the support they gave it. He ha not state , ► that it is his intention to effect any reduction in the,di plomatic expenditure of the country ; but as it is not my wish to deal unfairly by the proposition, it may be better to postpone my remarks upon this branch until I have seen the details. The Noble Lord and I differ upon great leading principles, but I shall always be ready to discus that difference with due regard to his con venience. I shall never be anxious to take undue ad vantage, but to give the fullest opportunity for the state ment of opinion, and for the support of it by argument. There is only one other topic to which it is necessary for me to advert. We are told that his Majesty has taken upon himself the expense of an outfit for the Queen. To those who have had an opportunity of personal access to his Majesty—to those who have communicated with hint on matters of expenditure (sways a painful subject, bet most so between a Sovereign and his Minister), such a decision gives no surprise: they must have anticipated it; and I can assure the Noble Lord, that if there were any thing that could endear his Majesty to his people more than he has already endeared himself, it would be his deep regret and just consideration for the present circum stances of the country. I agree with the Noble Lord, that if an outfit were necessary, the Minister of the Crown ought to propose it ; and I only hope that his Majesty will not find, that by his liberality to the people, he has unduly lessened the stuns that ought to be applied to his own person l comfort and dignity, so as to occ:ision hereaf:er inconvenience and embarrassment.—(Hear.) Lord ALTHORP—I rise to explain upan two points where the Right Hon. Gentleman has misunderstood me. First, as to the abolition of the office of Auditor Of the Civil List, what I meant to say was, what is really the fact, that I found nearly the whole of the duties of the Auditor dis charged by his deputy. I have, therefore, done what I shaq always think it right to do in such cases—l have abolished the office of Auditor, and I have provided that the deputy shall continu e his duties for a much less sum. --(Hear, hear.)---On the other point I fully agree with fhe Right Hon. Gentleman : it would be inconvenient anil inexpedient that the items of diploinatie exrealture should be annually brought before a Commit eof Suppl ; and I propose, therefore, that the amount should be paid out of the Consolidated Fund. It will the') Ile under the controul of Parliament ; but the particulars will not cisme before it every year. Mr. GOMA-UM-IN— Then, as it appears to me, the .il . - (erenee will be no more than this :—To pay in two suo,, and out of two funds, what has hitherto been 1, ad ''He sum, and out of one loud. Sir H. PARNELL referred to the grounds on which