The Sun. — London, England, 1856-03-06 00:00:00

Clitrb atittion SUN OFFICE, Seuen o'Clock. VISIT OF HER MAJESTY TO THE COVENT-GARDEN THEATRE. This afternoon, about half-past three o'clock, her Majesty, attended by four outriders, drove up in a pri ♦ate carriage to witness the utter destruction which has befallen this magnificent theatre. Her 3,lajesty alighted from her carriage and entered the rains. After having witnessed the fearful havoc caused by the dreadful con flagra.tioo, she expressed her regret for the great loss the musical and dramatic world had sustained by this awful calamity. The Queen remained for about twenty minutes, and afterwards returned to Buckingham ralaoe. BOSTON ELECTION.—(This Day.) The nomination of the c andidates took place at noon this day, when W. H. Adams, E-4q., was proposed by Mr.lF. J. White, seconded by Mr. J. Wren ; and Her bert Ingram, Esq. , was proposed by Mr. T ux f or d, an d seconded by Mr. Thomas. The show of hands was largely in favour of Mr. Ingram, when a poll was de manded in behalf of Mr. Adams. The polling takes place to-morrow (Friday). TATTERSALL'S.—(This Evening.) CHESTE R CUP. 13 to 1 agst Yellow Jack taken 25 to 1 agst Coroner (taken) 40 to 1 agst Stork (taken) CITY AND SUBURBA.I; 9to 1 on the field (offered). TWO THOUSAND GUINEAS. 7to 4 agst Fly-by-Night (taken) 100 to 30 agst Yellow Jack (taken) DERBY. 7to 1 agst Ellington (offered) 15 to 1 agst Rogerthorpe (taken), 20 to 1 after wards laid. 20 to 1 agst Vandermulin (taken) 2000 to 35 agst Barbarina (taken) IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS—(This Evening.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. The Bishop of EXETER. presented a petition, pray ing that Church rates may not he abolished till an equi valent had been provided. The right rev, prelate then alluded to the bill introduced into the other house, which her Majesty's Government were prepared to sup port, on condition that certain clauses, by way of amendment, be introduced into it in comrn't tee. The grounds alleged for this support were, that a similar measure had been introduced into their lordships' house last session by the Archbishop of Canterbury. He (the Bishop of Exeter) contended that that measure was not sanctioned either b y the bench of bi.hops or by the clergy generally, that it had not re ceived a second reading, and that it did not furnish suf ficient grounds for supporting the present bill. Lord PORTMAN presented petitions with a similar prayer as that presented by the right rev. prelate. COUNTY COURT JUDGES. Lord PORTMAN gaee notice that on Monday next he should call the attention of their lordships to the question of the salaries given to coucty court judges. EXCHEQUER BILLS FUNDING BILL. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY moved the first reading of this bill. Earl GREY said that though he bad no intention of opposing such a measure he must express his disapprobation of the policy of the Government in adding in this way to the national debt. Already had the Government added 23,000,0001. within the last financial year to the national debt, and they were now called upon to assent to a bill which would authorise a further loan of 5.000,0041., which would make the addition of 28,000,000/. within the financial year to the National Debt. Forty-six mil lions of expenses had been already incurred for the pre sent war. This was a vast sum. It had been stated at the beginning of the liar by the late Chancellor of the Ex chequer that the expenses of the war would, as far as possible, be met by the taxation of the country. Now, most of the members of the present administra tion had been also in the Government to which that Chancellor of the Exchequer belonged, and was respon sible for his opinions It had been said that a time of war was not the proper time for economy. This he totally denied. He believed that the strictest economy should be exercised, indeed it should be practised so far as not to interfere with its vigour one prosecution. An enormous sum of money had been uselessly expended, which, if judiciously applied would have added greatly to the efficiency of our regular army. What he objected to in the pre sent bill was a sum of 1,700,000 for fortifica tions at home and abroad. The expenditure of such a sum as proposed would be nothing more nor less than an absolute waste of public money. (Bear, hear.) Mr. Ferguson and other distinguished engineers bad criticised the late fortifications that had been constructed at a vast expense in a manner which appeared to him very difficult to answer. He recommended not to proceed with those works until they bad appointed a commission of the most eminent civil as well as military engineers to examine what had already been executed. The greatest bnlwark of this country were not its fortifica tications or even its ships, next to the spirit of its people, they were its vast resources which should be economically administered by the Government. [LEFT SPEAKING.] HOUSE OF COMMONS—(This Evening.) The SPEAKBa took the chair at the usual hour. Several petitions were presented against the abolition of Church rates, and against the opening of the Crystal Palace on Sundays. THE ROAD THROUGH THE PARK. Sir H. STRACEY asked the President of the Board of Works, if the possessors of property in Queen-square, and those on that side of the Bird-cage-walk, apprehend• big a depreciation of their property in the event of a road and bridge being carried across St. James's-park, would receive compensation if that plan was carried out! Sir B. II&LL said he could give no answer to the hon. member on the matter. A committee wag sitting upon the whole subject, and when their report was received it would he laid on the table. Before the tenants received compensation they had to show that the property had been depreciated, and by an act of the Government. The bridge be men tioned had yet to be built, and the question would have to be raised whether the traffic bad increased so much as to cause a depreciation of property. THE CUSTOMS AT LIVERPOOL. Mr. HORSFALL asked the Secretary of the Trea sury whether any commissioner had been sent, or was intended to be seat, to inquire into the repeated com• plaints which ha-1 been ma;:e on the part of a large body of the officers of her Majesty's Customs at Liverpool, of inadequate remuneration for their services I Mr. WILSON said no one had been sent from Lon don, nor was it intended to send any person from Lon don. If they sent anybody at all it would be one of the surveyors eznpleyed at Liverpool, as the Government had perfect confidence in the gentle men at the heads of the different offices in Liverpool. More had been done for that place than any other port —the long room had been revised, and the eala. ries of the clerks had been increased. [Mr. Horsfall shook his bead.] The hon member must allow him to know best, as he had the documents before him. Mr. HORSFALL said, as be could not reply to the statement of the hon. gentleman, he should bring for ward the subject on an early day. LIFE INSURANCE COMPANIES. Mr. COWAN asked the Secretary of the Treasury whether it was the intentio n of the Government, during the present session, to introduce any measure affecting Life Insurance Companies, in conformity with the re commendation of the select comet tee which reported upon that subject in 1853 ! Mr. WILSON said ho was not prepareadntyobsiallyonwthhce ther the Government intend e d t o bring in subject or not. Mr. DYCE SOMBRE. Mr. OTWAY asked the Pre,sident of the Beard of Control whether he had taken the opinion of the la w officers of tke Crown as to the correct interpretation of the 34th section of the act 3 Will. 4, c. 85 ; and whe ther he would sanction an indefinite expenditure from the revenues of India in the prosecution of a suit in this country, such as may be entailed by the guAranteee given by the directors of the East India Company to Mr. Prinsep, one of their body, and a legatee under the alleged will of Mr. Dyce Sombre, for all expenses in curred by him " in re Dyce Sorulire !" Mr. V. SMITFI said he had referred to the law offices of the Crown, and he had only received the answer as he came into the house. That answer, it appeared t him at present, was favourable to the question of the hon. gentleman. With .Ispect to the second part of the subject, be very much questioned whether he had the power. RAILWAYiA, Mr. E. BALL asked the Vice-President of the Board of Trade whether it was the intention of the Government to introduce a bill in the present session, giving power to the Board of Trade, in case of any line of railway that may be reported unsafe by their officers, to order all necessary works to be done for the safety of the public, at the ex pense of each railway company, and that the certificate of the Board of Trade's Engineer shall entitle the patty h av i ng done such works to immediate payment for the same, from such railway company ! Mr. LOWS said it was not intended to introduce any ' nett bill. LETTERS BY THE JAMES BA.INES. 11151 r. S. EROWN Itik;:4l the Secetiry to the Tria. 1 CITY COMMISSION OF SEWERS. The cornmi,ision met on Tuesday, being the first meet ing after the appointment of the new members, and the right hon. the Lord Mayor took the chair upon the occagioo• The commission having been road, Deputy Peacock was unanimously elected chairman For the ensuing year. After some preliminary business, the contractor was summoned for not cleansinz Ninholson's Wharf, accord ing to his contract, and Mr. Nicholson attended and was heard upon the subject. The contractor was ordered to ciean'e the streets leading down to the wharves in question. Mr. Haywood, the engineer, laid before the Court a letter which be bad received from Mr. Bazalgette, in liring why a sewer was at that time being r-built in }otter-lane, without having first communicated with the Board of Works, agreeably to thin 6.." th section of their act. Mr. baw, the clerk, stated that the 69th section of the Metropolitan Local Management Act referred only to district board s and vestries, referred to in the schedules no t A'an menti II inone that act ; and th a t t h e c i ty of London was d in rsuch sehedulee, and that Court was neither a district board or a vesiry. Mr. Haywood explained the nature of the works which were being done, via., the reconstruction of a part of a dilapidated sewer. It was then ordered by the court that the engineer should explain the matter to Mr. Baalgette. The Skinners' Company were summoned as freeholders 1 of certain small tenements in Skinner -street Diellopg gate, upon the certificate of the medical officer of health that they were unfit for human habitation. The lawyer of the company attended, and, at his request, was al. lowed one week within which to take steps for pulli ng down the objectionable buildings. Mr. Morgan attended on the certificate of the medical officer of health, which charged him witn carrying on, in Peter-street, a trade injurious to the public health, and was ordered to discontinue the trade forth with, which he promised to do aecordingly. Sundry cases of dangerous buildings were laid before the Court by the chief clerk, who was instructed he direct the legal proceedings to be taken in reference thereto immediately. The Caurt th;n z'Al,ruccd, sury why the letters per James Baines, Australian mail packet ship, arriving off the Mersey on Saturday night, were not delivered in Londo❑ before Wednesday? Mr. LOWE—The letters by the James Baines arrived at Liverpool at 3.55 a.m. on Tuesday. The first por tion was despatched from thence at 8.55 the same morn ing, and the remainder at 3.45, but both arrived too late for delivery that day; the consequence was that the whole of the letters were delivered on 'Wednesday. ILLEGITIMATE SOLDIERS. Major SIBTHORP asked the Under Secretary for War whether a claim made for the pay and medal of a soldier who fought at Alma, and who was believed to have been present with his regiment at Inkerman, and reported to have died before Sebastopol on the 7th day of November, 1854, bad been refused on the ground that the soldier was of illegitimate birth ? Mr. F. PEEL—No such case could be found at the War•ofsce, but if the hon. member would give him the particulars of the soldier he would cause inquiry to be made. SURVEY OF THE NORTH-EAST COAST OF IRELAND. Mr. M'CANN asked the First Lord of the Admiralty if there was any intention to order a survey of the north-east coast of Ireland, with a view to provide a harbour of refuge for vessels passing that coast ? Sir C. WOOD said the north-east coast was already well surveyed. There was no necessity fora harbour of re fuge in the place specified. At within 150 miles there were four places of refuge. CENTRAL AMERICAN AFFAIRS. Mr. BAXTER asked the First Lord of the Treasury if the papers relating to Central American affairs would he laid on the table of the hou39 before Easter Lord PALMERSTON said it would be impossible to prepare the papers before Eister. COMMISSARIAT C LASP FOR SEBASTOPOL. Sir J. PAKINGTON asked the Secretary of War why the clasp for Sebastopol had been withheld from the Commissariat. Mr. F. PEEL said he would answer the question to morrow. He would take that opportunity of saying that with respect to the promise he had given, regarding the statement received from Mr. Filder, though he had no objection to its production, he thought that, as a committee of general officers bad been ap pointed to investigate the whole subject, it would be better to let the statement be laid before them, when the publicity that wag required would be obtained. Sir J. PAKINGTON said he certainly intended to bring forward the subject, as he originally intended ; and he hoped the promise of the Secretary of War to lay that letter on the table would not be receded from. DISEMBODIED MILITIA. In reply to a question, - - - - Mr. F. PEEL that the control of the disembodied militia had been transferred to the War Department, and the practice of that department with reference to the calling out of the disembodied militia was to wait until the lords lieutenant of counties had stated when it was convenient for the officers and men to be called out. LOCAL DUES ON SHIPPING. In answer to a question from Mr. DISRAELI, Lord PALMERSTON said it was not his intention to postpone the appointment of a committee on this ques• tion beyond Friday next. EDUCATION. Lord J. RUSSELL brought forward his promised resolutions with reference to education, and in doing so said he trusted the time was becoming more and more auspicious for the placing this country on a more equal footing with the other enlightened countries of the world on the question of education. (Hear, hear.) He reviewed the attempts that had been made for the enactment of a law in reference to it, and named the continental States that had adopted a gene ral system of education, and he enforced the ne cessity of this country purscring a similar course. The first question he addressed himself to was the present state of education in this country, and alluded, in passing, to the effirts of Sir J. Pakington on this question, remarking that that hen. baronet had truly stated the state of the case from the facts that were placed before him, and derived from the most trustworthy sources of informa'ion. The Cen sus returns for 1851 showed there were about four mil lions of children and young persons between the ages of 5 and 15, two millions of whom were entered on the school-hooks ; 1,750,000 of these were not in attendance at the schools, and from the inspectors' reports there appeared to be but about one-eighth of the whole num ber who attended schools under their inspection. The remainder receiving. educa , don, but not instruction, in dame schools comprised the great proportioa of those of the ages he had named that were entered in the cen sus. There were eight thousand teachers of the Chur-h of England at the head of schools who did not receive more than 28/. a-year, and a number of other women holding dame schools who had not more than 211 ; and was it possible that persons receiving such sums could be capable of giving real and useful instruction? Such, he thought, was hardly to be believed. The grants given since 1.839 under the superintendence of the Privy Council on Education had been the cause of great improvement in educa tion. The noble lord then entered into the statistics with reference to the number of teachers, schools, and training schools that bed be-on established, and referred to Professor Moiety's report for 1854, which stated that the attendance of boys at these schools had been discon tinued at an earlier age than they used to be at the common or dame schools, from the schools being so good that the parents coemidered their children got a bettor education at an earlier period than formerly, and they consequently removed them at this early age that they might assist in their maintenance by having recourse to employment. After referring to the evils of the present system of education, the noble lord said it behoved the house to consider how they should remedy these defects. (Hear.) He thought Parliament should attempt to lay down two principles; first, a principle from which theyshou!d never it possible depart, that of making the education of the people complete ; aed, secondly, to maintain, erelourage, and, as far as possible, to improve that which they found good in the existing system of education. With regard to the first, he thought that end would not he attained unless they brought the education of the !people of the country to the state in which it had been brought in other free and en lightened countries that had adopted a scheme of edu cation. He then referred to the state of education in America, Switzerland, and Prussia in illustration of his first proposition. With regard to the second that of improving the present system of education lie said they could hardly expect to support the present system, partly supported by grants and by subscription with free schools, because the latter would be taken advantage of and be fatal to the former, but as he proposed to go upon the foundation of the present system, they must first consider how far it could be improved. There were many points connected with it on whbich there might be much doubt, and much that might be adopted, and if they bad a precedent of education in that house, to advise them it might be much enlarged and im proved. With regard to schools in convection with the Cnurch or a Dissenting chapel that ought not to make any difference with regard to their inspection anti Go vernment support. (near, hear.) It would be a useful work to consolidate and revise the minutes of Council of E lucation, and make them more plain and easily understood with reference to their bearing on any particular rule. He should therefore propose a resolution to that effect. He proposed not to increase the present number of inspectors of schools, which nurn• bered twenty-four fur the Church schools and sixteen for other schools, but to mike the inspection of schools more complete by the appointment of sub-inspectors. The divisions of the country, under the Reform Bill, he thought, should be the area for each sub inspector, and he moved a resolution to that effect, and that there should he 80 sub-inspectors appointed, a sufficient number being appointed for the Wesleyans, other Dissenters, and R mien Catholic, in proportion to their present number of inspectors, in reference to the numbers in connection with the Church of England. (Hear, hear.) These suh inepeotors should report to the inspectors, and they to the Council of Education, when the president, with the authority of that house, would decide on the number of schools that should be established throughout the coun try. 1 [LEFT SPEAKING.] to point rek's to the house any plan for its immediate settle event which, in my opinion, would be satisfactory, I here stated, on former occeeien t , that church rat e s a re a c h arge upon the land, and that I think they ought to reinein chorgeab!e upon the land. (Hear.) In my opinion, if landowners were to dement to the immediate abolition of church rates, although they might make some iminetliete pecuniary saving, they would adopt is short-sighted policy. (Hear.) I therefore, moat unwillingly, but very tlecolearly, must give my vote against the second reading of this bill, because I think it Rill not mitigate the evil which it seeks to remedy. I must say ; however, that if this bill really carried into effect the object professed in its title, " to abolish church rates and to make other provisions in lieu thereof," and if such substitute could be found and such other provision were made, I should be ready to vote for its second reading and to consider its details in committee. I find, however, as the noble member for Colchester has well pointed out, that the bill will gulls place the alms and velunt ry offerings of members of the Church under the control of persons who may or may not be members of that Church. Suppose any member of the Church of England were to Pay :—" I think there te great dagger lest the chapels of Protestant Dissenters should fall into decay for went of adequate repairs, and I therefore propose a bill which will place the voluntary offerings of Dissenters under the control of certain persons, to be elected and to be called auditors, who shall see that no abuse takes place, but that the money be properly applied to the maintenance of dissenting chapels ;" I think the Dissenters would not thank the gentleman who made such a proposal, but would may : "As you, the State, contribute nothing to us, and as we have the means of building and repairing our chapels, wo beg you to leave us alone." I say, thee, with regard to those parishes in which church rates have beers abolished that Churchmen will be better off if you leave them alone than if .you meddle with them. With respect to other parishes in which church rates aro collected, it may be necessary in some cases to provide that the contri butions of Churchmen should be applied to the purposes for whicit they were given ; but the incumbent and the churchwarden appointed by him might take care that such funds were properly applied, and this object could be effected by a much less complicated scheme than that pro posed by the hon. baronet. lam exceedingly sorry that we do not seem much nearer than wo were to the settle ment of this long -vexed question. Certainly I for one can not assent to the principle put forward by th r Protestant Dissenter, that, as a matter of conscience, church rates ought to be abolished. When it was proposed in former clays that Dissenters should not be compelled to attend church, and that they should not be prevented from having chapels of their own, it was very properly argued that it was a principle of religious liberty that they ahoulal be allowed to worship God according to their ewu forms; but it was not then contended that they should not be com pelled to make any payment to the national Church. That claim has arisen iu more modern times. It seems to me to be a part, but only a part of the voluntary principle ; but I cannot believe with the bon. member forthe Tower Ham lets, that complete and universal peace would follow the enactment of the bill which he proposes. On the contrary, I believe that having carried this measure, having sanc tioned the abolition of church rates without previding substitute, fresh attacks would be made, and, not being willing to countenance or favour those attacks, I shall op pose the second reading of the bill. (Cheers.) Lord PALMERSTON—Sir, after the concurs my noble friend has passed upon the course which her Majesty's Government have, upon full consideration, determined to pursue with reference to this subject, I fool it my duty to address some observations to the house. This question is undoubtedly surrounded by the greatest possible diffieulties. If that had not been the case it would long since have been settled by some legislative enactment. Having seen the various plans which have been proposed by different mein hers of this house with the view of effecting,/ settlement, and having fully considered a great variety of suggestions which have been made to us from other quarters, we prepared that scheme which my right hon. friend the Secretory f the Home Department has to-night explained. Our opinion was that this plan would be most conveniently submitted to the consideration of Parliament by being proposed in committee as an amendment to the bill of my hon. friend the member for the Tower Hamlets. Although my noble friend has been abundant in his censures en tin Iris contlem natiata of the course we are erepared to fellow, I did lot discover from his speech that he could suggest any other plan which he thought more deserving of the approval of Parliament. (" Hear," and cheers.) My no , le friend maintains that the church rate is the property of the Church by ancient prescription anal by the law of the lend; but when he endeavoured to show that the existing law of the land enabled the Church to avail itself of this property, he utterly ;ailed in doing so, for he was ob igett to confess that the law, as now declared by tit- highest authorities, is impotent for his purpose, and that practically the church rate is a voluntary contribution in each parish of the kingdom. I say "a voluntary contribution," because, according to the law, as it has been declared to stand, it depends upon the voluntary act of the ratepayers in each pariah whether they will or will not raise this particular rate. It is, then, a mockery to toll the Church that it pos sesses a pr , perty of which it is unable to avail itself, of which it may be deprived by the vote of a majority of the ratepayers, and from which we know that in a great number of the most populous parishes of the kingdom it has been unable to derive any bexefit. The course we in tend to pursue is to recognise the existing state of things in parishes whore church rates are levied, an l to provide another arrangement for those parishes in which a different set of circumstances has arisen. Burt my noble friend says that part of our plan lays the foundation of perpetual strife. What is the present state of the law ? Why, von are liable to have in every parish every year that battle iu the vestry which my noble friend wishes to avoid—th at struggle whether a rate shall er shall not be imposed, and the recent decisious of the courts are an encouragement to the continuanceof such contests. Unless seine other ar rangement is adopted it is perfectly plain that the peace and harmony which it is the object of my noble friend, and I trust of every member of this house, to establish, cannot by any possibility be expected to prevail. Them I say the course which we propose ; o pursue is ono which in reason ought to recommend itself to the approbation of Parliament. What says authority on the subject My noble friend, indeed, disdains authority. 1-Vith all his respect anal veneration for the Church, Ire throws over, without the slightest hesitation, the opiro ions of the head of the Church, sanctioned by the dig nitaries of the Church, and form illy proposed to Parlia ment in the shape of a bill submitted for the consideration of the other house. We have heard, on the continent. of people who were more royalist than the king. My Yield() friend is a greater Churchman than the head o f the Chu rc h himself. ( laugh.) I think the house will be more dis posed to give its favourable consideration to is measure which, Upon full deliberation, the leaders of the Church have thought not inconsistent with the interests of the Church than it will be to listen to the arguments of those who want things' to remain in their present state. We have been brought irate a condition is which there is no alter native between that which hon. gentlemen opposite wish to do—to make the levy of church rates compulsory upon every parish and upon every rate-payer in every parish— or coming to some arraagentent ouch as that which we have thrown out for the consideration of P.arliament. To revert to That which was believed anciently to be the law is what. I think, the house will not be prepared to do. In the pre sent state of religious differences the house will not, I our sure, adopt a measure to wake a church rate compulsory— compulsory upon every parish to levy, arid compulsory upon every parishioner to pay. That is entirely out of the question, anti if :tub° ly were rash enough to propose it I there would n o t b e th e a li g ht est chance o f suc h a measure 1 receiving the assent of Parlieinent. What, then, are we to do ? Shall we allow things to remain as they are? That would be to sanction the ebolitiou of church rates in a great number of parishes, and to lay the foundation of dis cord and strife - t o use the worths of ray noble friend—in all those parishes in which they have hitherto been levied. I believe that the course which we propose to pursue is the only rational anal s tfe ono. We prop • that where the propose rate has not been levied, or where it shall riot be levied, there it shad be voluntary in one sense of the wor I—rh.t is to Any, those who •lo not regard themselves as members of the Church of England shall not be liable to have the rate forced upon there ; but, on the other hand, we provide for an creanieetion for the proper application of those sums which, either by voluntary coutribution or by the payment of a rate, shell be available for the repair of the febrie of the church and the maintenance of divine worship. That is a plan which, I am sure, the more it is coesitlered the more bon. members will feel it to bo admirably calculeted to obviate the ditteultioa of the case. If any hon. gentle man can suggest a better we shall he ready to consider it— (laughter from the Opposition) ; —but I feel that a strenuous and sincere effort should at length be made to settle this question, to which we have given the best consideration in our power. (Hear, hear.) We believe that the arrange ments which my right honourable friend has explained will be calculated to accomplish the object in view, and we shall be prepared, when the bill goes into committee, to lay those arrangements in greater detail b-fore the house. We are told that we ought to have brought in a separate bill—(cheers from the Opposition) —that we ought to have rejected the measure now before the house, because it went further than we were prepared to go, and that we ought to have gone into the same lobby with those who differ from its as widely as hon. gentlemen opposite do, for the pur pose of voting against a bill which in part we approve, in order afterwards to bring in a measure of our own. That course would not have been at all consistent with the pur poses we have is view. (A laugh.) We agree avail the present bill in regard to those parishes ha which church rates have hitherto not been levied. We agree with the principle of the bill as app'icable in future to parishes in which the rate may be refused. It would, therefore, have been inconsistent with the opinions wo entertain to simply reject the bill. We believe that we can make it a good measure, and I flatter myself that when our alterations and amendments shall have beers submitted to the cored (era tion of Parliament, they will meet with general approba tion. (Cheers.) Mr. MIALL, who rose amid loud calls for a division, was sure the house would not be guilty of the iejustice of corn ing to a vote without listening to one of those Di-senters whose interests were chiefly affected by the bill. The noble lord the member for Colchester had professed to discern in the bill a machinery intended to encroach upon the liberty of Churchmen to manage their own affairs. He could as sure the noble lord that the Dissenters were not only will ing to give up the entire machinery, but wouldiprefer to have the two abolition clauses pure aid simple. The machinery was constructed by an eminent friend and professor of the Church of England, not with a view to please the Dissenting body or to accomplish their objects, but to remove certain legal obstacles which were referred to in debate two or three years ago by the right hon. gentleman the member for Oxford Iniversity, and to provide for the application of voluntary contributioes in the safest and most practicable manner. He must be permitted to refer to one fallacy which ran through the entire argument of the opponent, of the bill, and which was not only pepillar in that bowie, but pre vailed widely out of doors. 'ro t , klk of " our Church," con tributions made to "our Church," property settled on " our Church," was to speak as if the Church of Euglend were a community separa,,e.from the nation at large He did not understand that. He stood there• n his right as a British subject to regulate a national institution in which be was as much interested as any other member of the house : and although he might sustain the disadvantage of being un able to avail himself of the religious services of the Church, yet he claimed all the righte and powers with respect to the maintenance and regulation of the N dional Establish. men which belonged to the strictest Ohurchtnan in the country. (' Oh, oh !") He understood those cries of "Oh ;" they meant how was it that he desired, holding such views, to escape from a national tax for the support of the Church ? That was a fair argument, but one easily answered. The members of the Established Church, un like the Dissenters, enjoyed the free use of all the churches throughout the country, and it was only fair that they should be asked to maintain Ahern in ean efficient state , of repair. (" Divide !") He know that bon. gentlemen oppo site were anxious to go to a division, and he, too, was de. shwa that the quaties should be doctioi kT ante Wore wLich THE SUN LONDON, TH_UItS DA Y RV EN ENG, MARCH 6, 1856. the house adjourned ; but he thought that upon an occa- t sion like the presout,, who,n all pr Nious speakers had been members of the Chinch of E , gland, some indulgence should he e item:lel to one who wished to express the sentiments of a very large poition of her ..11,jesty a subjects. The noble lord the member for the City of London had stated that, if he saw any substitute for the,church rate, he would be willing to vote •for the second reading of the bill. It had amused biin—it would 1111111'0 any Dissenter ac quainted with the operation of the voluntary principle -- to v6lllOBB the perplexity of noble lords and hon. gentle men to find a substitute for the church rate. It reminded him of the old lady who searched every room in the house for her spectacles, and found them at last on her nose. (" Divide !") lie wetal tell the friends of the Church that they had an excellent substitute, if they would only avail themselves of it, in the zeal and liberality of their own Da-tubers. In Wales, a poor country, the Dissenters all their own cbapels, and in Ireland, a poorer country still, the Roman Catholics did the same. It was only in England, a rich country, where the great body of the landowners belonged to the Estabdsheil -Church, that any difficulty was felt in providing fir the sustentation of religious edifices and the maintenance divine service. But he believed that if they were to open the vein of libe rality and benevolence which he had indicated, the result would astonish themselves ; and certain he was that if the bill were carried it would do more to advance the church in its spiritual power and influence than all the rates ever levied. (Hear, hear.) Lord J. MANNERS—I am informed that, having left the house for a few kiinutes, the hon. and learned Attor ney-General commented on my absence, and expressed himself displeased with some expressions which ho alleged had fallen from me in debate. I can assure the hon, and learned gentleman that I had not the faintest wish in any way to offend him. and if any expressions dropped from Inv month which did hurt his feelings I am most anxious to retract them. I beg leave, in conclusion, to assure him that, whatever opinion he may entertain of me, I enter. tain towards him no feeling but one of the highest re spect. (Cheers.) The hones then divided ; the numbers were : For the second reading Against it l7B Majority —l3 The minonticement of the nunib•zrs; was received with some cheering oil the Ministerid side, in the midA of Mr. WALPOLE rose and said that, the division having been mainly taken upon the amendments announced by the Government. he would like to know when those amendments would be laid on the table? Sir G. GREY—Some day before the E Later recess. I have only to re ark that last year the majority for the second reading of the bill. when no such amendment, were announced by the Government, was considerably smaller than upon the present occasion. (A laugh.) Mr K. SEYMER inquired whether the bill would now be regarded as a Government measure, and taken on Go vernment days? Sir G. GREY replied that it was not a Government bill, and could not take precedence of Government business. But the Government would in future give facilities for its discussion in C2BO its introducer, as a private member, should be unable to effect a satisfactory arrangement him self. When the house went into committee the Govern ment would be prepared to submit their amendments. Mr. DISRAELI—I do not intend to enter into the com parative statistics of different session, ; but as the right hon. gentleman has referred to the division of last year, I may as well remind him that on that occasion I believe he voted with those who now sit on this aide of the house. Sir G. GREY—Allow me to state that the right bon. gentleman is mistaken. I was not in the division, but I stated, in reply to a question, that the Government did not feel themselves in a position to support the bill, be cause they had not any amendrneuts prepared. (dear.) Mr. NE WDEGATE said that, if the right hon. hart. was not in the division last year, it was certain that the noble lord at the hen I of the Government both spoke and voted against the bill. Re confessed that he was tench surprised at the result of the division which hail just taken place—daughter from the Ministerial bunches)—but he rejoiced that they would have another opportunity of considering the principle of the bill, which at present coral not be understood, owing to the elemeats of uncertainty introdece 1 1,3 , the Government. (1-lesr.) Mr. ROEBUCK—The difforeuce between this year and la t showe that we are advancing. (A. laugh.) DISSENTERS' MARRIAGES BILL. Mr. A. PELLA. IT m ived the second reading of this bill, which wa-i, in eff-cr, the same al the one which pa,ssd a second readins: tat session. After a few observations from Sir W. Heathcote. Lord 111 r. Henley, and several other li.nouratile member., the bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed on the 11th of April. _ _ The other bu,ines= having been disposed of, the house adjourned nt balf•past 5. Mr. H. W. WICKIZAM paired in f +your of Sir W. Ciay'd bill, with Sir M. S. STEWART against. PA RLIAMEN TA I?Y DIVISION. HOUSE OF CONINIONS.--MARca 5. CIIURCII-P.ATES ABOLITION BILL. Order for second reading read ; Motion male, and question proposed, " That the Bill be now read a second time :" Amendomnt proposed to l.,ave oat the word " now," and at the end of the question to add the words " upon this day six months :" Question put, that the word now' stand part of the question :"—The House divided ; Ayes 221, Noes 178. ATES-221. Acton, Joseph Fitzroy. henry Muntz, G. Acair, 11. Foley, J. 11. At urrough, J. P. Ailaii . , It. Forster. Charles Napier, Sir C. Avaisw, Sir A. Forster, John North, F'. '.lo ick, T. Fore octet, C. S. O'Connell, D. Ind root:, • I. Fox, IW. J. Olive ra, B. Antro'net, E. Freestun, Colonel Osborne, It. itaallaw, J. Galityey, Sir W. Ot way, A. Itailisy, C. Go /incr. R. Palmerston, Viscount Baines, Rt. Hon. M. Gibsoa, M. Paxton, Sir J. Boil, E. GA iril, Earl of Petchell, Fir G. ~.1, J. Glyn, Ili. Pall tt, A. ?tarn a, T. Itoileri,th, Viscount Perry, Sir E. Baxter, W. Gower, F. Pitrott, F. Beau wont, W. Greene, John Pilkington, J 8e11..1 (Iregson, 'a:nuel Pinney, W. , Bellew, T. Grettrell. Charles Polla , iii(lrimhart, W. Berkeley, Hon. H. F. Greville, Colonel F. Ponso.,by„l. , ierkeiey, G. Q. Grey, itt. Hon. Sir G. Power. N. Bethell, Sir R. Grey, R. i Raynitatn, Viscount Bicidulph, Col. R. M. (1-osvenor, Ld. R. Heed, J. Bizgo, W. Hadfield fieorge Ricar 10, 0. Black, An am Hall, Sir Benjamin Rice, E. Bmbain-Catter, J. Hartitey, T Rid' y, George Motored's, Ilon. E. P. Hastie, Alex. Risbartes, I'. Bran 1, II B. W. Barrie, ,3ri lel. Roebuck, J A. itrockl•"hurst, J. - fleadlam. T. Russell P. O. Brockman, E. D. Ho diteost, J Scholefield, W. P.rotherton, J. Densisize, Geo. 11. Scobell.CaPt. Brow •, IL I 1 erbei t.., H. Semite, G. Brown, W. Hervey, Lord A. Scully, F Bruce, H. A. Maywood, T. Seymour, W. D. Buckley, Gen. Heyworth, L. Shafto, It. Butler, C. S. HiniPey, C. ' shelley, Slr J. Ilyng, U. H. C. Horsinan, E. Sh end sii, R. Card well E. Hut dens, E. Smith, J. A. 2,avendish, C. C. Mutt, W smith, J. B. CiiiiiS, T Itrzham, R. Smith, M . Chambers. T. Jackson, W. Smith, It. Chaplin, 3Y, Johnstone, J. Som collie, Sir W. Cobden, It. Johnstone, Sir J. St »Ile, , Lord Cockit rn, air A. J. E.lieatirig, 11. Stanley, W. Coffin, W. Kennedy. T. Steel, John Cowan, C. Kern', tw, J. SttrliTr, Y. Cowper, W. Klitg, L. Strutt, lion. H. Craufurd, E. H. J. Kingscote, Capt. R. Sullivan, Michael Crook, J. Kionaird, A. Swift it. t'rossley, F. Libmc ere,ReHon.ll Tattered. 11. Cunitt. W Langston, . 11. Thom son, G. Conde, ►t.dkes Lanz , on, 'I. G. Thorn. ls . T. 1 tenison, J E. Litslett, W Thornhill, W. Dent, J. Layard, .1. 11. Tim W. De Very, S E. Lee, I .v, Towline, G. iii , lwy , ), L L. Lewis, Sir G. C. Valle, Lord H. Dicett, 11. Lowe, It. Villiers,'' DrUm'anrig, Vl5. 'Ace T. Vivian, 11. it. i +or, G. macEvoy, E. ‘Vidin•dity. Sir J. Jut!, J. Mackie..). warner, E. Duke, sir S. Mackinnon, IY. Watkins, Col. Duncan, Viscount NI 'Cann . J. Wells, W. Dune tn, George Maguire, J. F. Whatinan, J. Dinicombe, Thomas Mazer es. It 'Whitbread, S Duitla•, F. Nlarjaribanks, D. Wilkin , un. W. D .n4arvan. Viscount 'Martin, J. wilicox, 13 union, A. Martin, P. Williams, W. Ebri•'gton, Viscount Massey, W. Willoughby, Sir 11. Rilice, E. Milligan, Ft. Wilson, I. Ellice, E., jun. Mills, T. Wilmington, Sir T. Elliott...l E. Milne , W. M. E. Wise, A. Evart, W. Moffat, ';. Woo 1, Sir C. Ewa.' t, J. Monck, Vis. Wywill, M. Fenw, ck, H. Moncriiiff, J. Eer.vison, J. Morris, D. Fitz Gerald, Sir John Mowart, F. Fitzgera.d, J. Mulgra • e, earl of TELLER% Clay, Sir W., ISt. E. I NOEF.—I7R. Acland, Sir T. Gladstone, Capt. J. Morgan, 0. Adderlev, C. B. Go idard A. Mombray, J. R. Alinesley, Earl of Gooeh, Sir E. M ulllngs. .1. It. Arinithnott, Gen. H. Gore. 'V. Mond v, tv. Archdall. Capt. M. Graham, Sir ..I. Newark, Visccunt Bag4e, W. Graham, Lord 31. Newilegate, C. Bailey, Sir J. Or -enc., Thomas N wport, Viscount Baillie, U. Guinness, R. S. North, Col. J. Ranker, Rt. iron. G. Gwyn, Bowel Oakes, J. Barrington, Vist. Haildo, Lord Ossulslon, Lord Barrow, W. Hale, Robert Pazke. C. Rennet, Capt. P. Wilford, Sir Henry Pakington, Sir J. Beresford, Rt. Ha. W. Hal, General John Palmer, Robert Wgnold, Sir S. Harcourt, G. G. Pal r•er, rtouudell Blackburn, P. Hare tort, Col. Parker, R. liLikeinoro, T. Hardinge, Hun. C. Patten, Col. Bond, J. Hardy,. G. reacocke. G. Bromley-lii ore, J. days', Sir E. Peel, Gen. Bramston, T. W. Heatheoate, Sir W. Percy, J. Buck, L. W. Il enea re, Geo. F. Philipps. J. Buck, Col. Henley, J. Pll.ll more, R. J Banbury, W. B. Herbert, S. . Portal, M. Burronghes, U. N. Herhert, Sir T. Powell. Col. W. Butt, G. NI. Ilihiyard, It. C. Pritchard, J. Cecil, Lord Holf) .1, R. Robertson, I'. Chelsea, Viscount Hothmi. Lord Huss 11, Lord J. Child, Smith Hume, W. SaialArs, 0. Christy,• Samuel Jenny!), Rt. Hn. Earl Scymer, II Cobbuld, J.C. Jolli ire, Sir rY. Silithorp, Major Cocks, T. S. Jolli(Te, if Soduth, -ir W. Cole, 11. A. Jones, Admiral Sm tit, W. Coles, 11. Jones, D. Slid .h. Abel Colvile, C. R. Hell , Sir F. Sm th, John Compton, H. C. Kendall, N. Smollett, A. Corry, H. T. L. Kerrisco , , Sir E. Spooner, It. Davies, 1), King, J. StAfford, A. Davies, J. Knatchbull, W. Stanhope, J. Davison, It. Knightley, R. htracey, 11. Deedes, willianm linox, Col. It. IV. Stuart, Captain Hering, Sir E. Langton, W. H. P. G. Thesiger, Sir. F. Disraeli, B. Legit, G C. Tolleinache, J. Drummond, H. Len ox, Lord A. F. Tyler, Slr G. Duncornbe, Hon. A. Lennox. lord 11. G. Vance, John Dunc.oinbe, 0. Liddell, ft. G. Vansittart, G. Du Pre, C. Lock.iart, A. E. Waddington. D. East, Sir J. . Loyaine, Lord , Waddington, H. Egerton, IV . Luhington, .M. Walcott, Aiintira:. Estcourt, T. Lytton, 'lr E. vva:pole. 4 . Eves ii, W. J. Macat tney, G. Walsh, Sir J. Farnham, E. MficGregor, James W irren, S. Farrer, J. Maddock, S , r H. We,lbv, Sir 0. Ft:Howes, L. Malins, Richard Whiteside, J. Ferguson, sir J. Manners. Lord G. Whitraoro, II Filiner, Sir E. M.trch, Earl of Wigram, Loftus T. F over, J. Meux, , ir 11.. Wyndham, Gen. Follttt, B. S. Miles, W. Wynn, Lt.-Col. FO,ster, Cr 1. Ililties, It. Wynne, W. Fresittled, J. Michell, William TELLERS. Gilpin, vol. q. Moil , gorhery, Sir G. Manners, 11. , , , d J. Giactsioile, w. moody, C. NOrtheote, Sir S. Ahont, 140 men, and the same number of horses, of the Royal Artillery, embarked on hoard the Sarah Sands at Liverpool, yesterday, fir the Mediterranean. ()niers have been received by the GoionandsAtt : of Chatham garrison . , d irecting him to hold in readinesi a detachMent of the 12th Regiment from the depot of that. corps, under orders to embark for Australia, to join bead.qoarter4. The detachment will con%ist of seven officers and 90 non oorrimi.sioned ..ffic,rs and private.. Tot, f.kilitvinV heloogi , g to the depot of the 40th Rt•grj(oenr. have als o received officers to embark with the detachment of the 12th Foot:—Lieutenant E. H. M. Tod, Lieuteuu.ut F. W, 9.ibume, awl Esuign Do NsufTillo Lucas. TII TS FREYCTI BT 7 DGET FM?. 1357. BUDGET OF RECEIPT 3 The fortunate result, of the year 1855, to which are j lined the hopes of peace which it is no:v permitted to entertain, would perhaps seem to authorige a high esti. mite of the receipts. But the Government has not thought so. Contrary to the course followed in the latter times, and though events fiav, thas jastified the hopes of our /widgets, it has considered that it would be proper to confine it , elf within the limit of the receipt re alised in 1.‘55 and of the estimates admitted by you for 1356. The indirect taxes and revenue , , on which is con centrated almost exclumively the question of the estimates, figured in the budget of. r , ci-opts for the year 1855 at 891,756.0501. The bn'iget of 1856, voted by you last year, estimated them at 929,699,0001. The receipts of 1855 attained fir the old duties only 929,474 000 f. The new taxes voted in your la .t session, but as a temporary measure only, have produced for part of the year 1855, 33,100,000 f . and will give for the whole year 1856, 83 000,000 f. It is on this certain ba. , is that the estim .tre which are, proposed t..) you for 1857 repo-e. It has, however, appeared right to increase by a favoura,b e estimate the yield of the duty on potable liquor., remaining however below the itntimates :Airlifted by the budg,at of 1856. Iu fact we may hope that the accidental cau- , es which have lowered the amount-of that tax will not be reproduced in 1857. A similar ob , ierva,tion has caused an increase to be set d 'yen in the receipts from the duty on the ma riufacture of native sugar. Finally, the normal increase in the proceeds of the tobacco duties bas been taken into account, but without exceeding for 1857 the estimate of the budget of 1856. Tnus, the total produce of the in direct taxes and revenues, for the whole of the old aid new duties, will be set down in the budget of 1857 at 1,031,010,000 fr. IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN T, HOUSE OF COMMONS. —(YESTERDA Y.) CMURCH RATES ABOLITION BILL, The following is a more extended report of the con clusion of the debate ou the above subject than appeared in Ottr late edition of yesterday : Mr. DRUM MOND said the amendments proposed by the Government to this measure would so alter it that it would be but fair if it were withdrawn and the Go vernment to bring in another. He objected to all of the proposed alterations in the law of church rater, (Hear.) He referred to the establishment of church rates, which were as old as the establishment of Chris tianity in this country, and that of church wardens, which dated so far back as 1147. A national church was that church which a sovereign supported, and the reason why the people had dissented from the Church was from the heads of the Church depriving them of the necessary accommodation by the introduction of pews. The heads of the Church were the enemies of the Church, and not the Dissenters. The Braintree case was now settled by the decision of the House of Lords, who had reversed the judgments of learned judges on the luestion. Tne House of Lords would not allow God's house to be repaired, and they were now about to pull down their own. (Laughter.) Every owner of a house held it on the understanding that it should contribute towards church rates, and it the Government abolished church rates the property should be valued and compensated accordingly. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL addressed the house in consequence of the noble lord, the mover of the amendrneut, saying, in the course of his speech, that the hon. members who voted last session in favour of a similar measure were headed by a "reckless Attorney- General," and defended his conduct from such a personal attack. Lord J. RUSSELL—I have listened with great atten tion to the speech of the Secretary for the Home Depart ment, and I had hoped that, when there ware measures be fore the house on the subject of church rates, my right bon, friend might have been enabled, on the par - of the Government, to indicate some course which, if it did not meet with general or universal assent, might at least have satisfied the majority of this house, and have smoothed the difficulties which attached to the o t - oestion before us. That there are difficulties connected with this question I cer tainly must be one of the fore host to admit, because, hav ing often endeavoured to frame a measure which would satisfy others as well as rayeelf, I cannot say that I have ever been successful in the 'attempt. With respect to the propo sal which my right hoe, friend the Home Secretary has made on behalf of her Majesty's Movernment, he has cho sen the incenYeelent course, as I think, of not bringing into this louse a *measure founded upon the principles he has indicated—(cheer s from the Opposition) —but while pro posing to sanction by his vote and by the votes of his col leagues a bill framed in a very- different spirit—(renewed cheers)—he holds out the hope that he will be able to in troduce in committee, not souse simple alterations merely, oat material and somewhat complicated provisions. I must say that, however I may object to the bill introduced by nay hon. friend (Sir W. Clay), I think the course he has taken and the proposal he has made are in themselves very intelligible. (Cheers.) I have understood my hen, friend and other hon, members, whose names are upon the back of his bill, to have said repeatedly that they think it is a great hardship to compel Dissenters front the Church of England to contribute to the maintenance of the fabric of a church which they do not attend, and to pay for the support of a form of worship from which they conscientiously dis sent ; and that from s uc h a h ar d s hi p Dissenters ought to be reieved. Ido not agree in that p ropos i t i on ; but the proposal itself i s a perectly clear one, and one that I ehualci be prepared, if neceseary, to argue at this moment with my hoe. friend. But then comes the `Secretary of State, who make s , on th e part of the Government, a props. sal whichl places us in this position :—We must consider whether it would be advisable to accept, as it at present stands, the bill of my hon. friend, to which, as I have said, I object ; or to accept the proposal of the right hon. the dome Secretary ; or, lastly, whether it would net be bet ter, rather than accept either of those proposals, to leave the law in its presort state, oven admittin g th at state to be unsatisfactory. (Cheers from the Opposition.) I con ceive that the case as it stands at present is this : —Here is an ancient law, d ec l are d t o b e so by the most • eminent judges of the land, which imposes on each parish the local obligation of repeiriug the fabric of the parish church, and providing for the celebration of divine worship in that church. Chief Justice Tindal and Lord Truro, aroolig other learned judges, have maintained that this legal obli gation exists ; but they have said at the same time that it is an obligation which could not be enforced against the will of a majolity of the parishioners. They have asserted not that the obligation ceased or that the law was abro• gated, but that the obligation is one that can be evaded. (Cheers.) Well, it appears to me that the persons who have a grievance on this subject are, in fact, the memb ers of the E s t a bli s h e d Ch urc h —(Cheers from the Opposition)— beceuse they may say—here is an ancient law imposing an obligation, which was confessedly intended for and neces sar y to the sustentation of the Established Church, but that obligatiou cannot be enforced. Some persons may say, as my right hon. friend has said to-night —" If wo were to attempt to give force and validity to the law and to com pel persons to fulfil the obligation, which great judges have said attaches to them, we should disturb the pews of the country, we should create a greet deal of ill feeline, and we should provoke hostility to the church itself." think the church may fairly answer, " That is a question for Ministers of State ; we accept your allegation ; we ale willing to acquiesce iu what you say ; we will not attempt to enforce oblwati , ms, which, in your opinion, mightaff‘ Cl the peace of the community ; but do tell us in what other way you propose to provide for the maintenance of the church." (Cheers.) My sight hon. frien , says, we propose a measure which will legalise what is admitted to be a practical evasion, a successful defeat of the law, anal we ask for this resistance to the law the sanction of the Legislature. In my opinion, this pr iposal iscrestaes the claim of the church to some substitute fur that which you propose to take away—(cheer;)—but does my right hen. friend ge on to pro pose that substitute —does he attempt to do what the hon. member for the Tower Hamlets proposes to do, and I have no doubt sincerely belteves he will accomplish, though I think he may fail—with the view of effecting complete and universal peace on this subject? My right hon, friend does no such thing. (Cheers.) I understand that he pro poses to continue this impost in parishes where the rne.jority of the ratepayers chooie to carry the law into effect, but he says to the opponents of the impost : —" If you can get a majority; if by contest, by repeated agitation, by discus sions in the vestry year after year, by hot and vehement and even riotous debate's you can make it unpleasant to Churchmen to attend .the vestry, and so gain a majority against the rate, then you will have your reward." Is this pr emeal one that is likely to satisfy the church? Is it one that will meet the claims of those who allege their con scientious objections against the payment of this impost Is it one that is likely to establish peace? I venture to say that it will do no one of these three things. If we give up the rights of the church, let us satisfy the Dissenters and gain the peace they promise us. If we refuse to satisfy the Dissenters, then let us in some way or other provide for that which is a fair claim for the church. But that a Government should do neither of these things, but should in the mi Ist of a conflict interpose with a measure which would not still the waves, but add fresh violence to the storm, is a commie which I think will hardly receive the sanction of this house. My right hon. friend, ia order to make the matter still more complicated, proposes that those persons who object to paying church rates, and who, being the minority iu the parish, might be coerced by the vote of the majority into such payment, shall be at liberty, when the rate-book is carried round, to state their objec tions thereto— Sir G. GREY—No, to state that they aro not members of the Church of England. Lord J. RUSSELL —I was coming to that. When the ratcsbook is carried round they are to say, not that they are Dissenters of a particular persuasion, or Roman Ca tholics, but that they are not members of the Church of England, mot thereupon they may claim exemption. Now this proposal seems to sae to einbarress the quettion still further. I have on for Mer occasions stated my objectione to such a proposition, and I certainly think that the ex emption of persons who merely say that they are not Church. men would have a t 011 ,1011,7 to create groat discord in pa rishes. I may be forgiven for ss,;.•ing that upon this subject I have always been afraid of two classes of men. The first class are those who, Having very fairly that they object to an Established Church, and thet they do net think it right that the church of a portion of the purpl e 'should be called a national church, wish to resort to the voluntary system and propose to attack this work, thinking it to be, as it certainly is, much weaker than the citadel, iu hop, that in time they will carry citadel itself. (Cheers.) There is another class ef Inen to whom I fear that most reverend Prelat'e the Archbishop of Canterbury has listened rather too much, who, being not only Church. men, but very high Churchmen, are most anxious to sepa• rate the clergy aod laity of the Eatablishe•l Cho rch frons the community in general, to cut eff those who are Protestant ' Dissenters, and whose doctrines they do not deem orthodox, front any concern in the affairs of the ch itch, and thereby in the end to create a sectarian establishment, which I think would net lung maintain the dignity or the poe m:lesions of the national establishment. My right hon friend proposes that men shall be exempt from the payment of church rates because they aro not Churchmen, and that such persons shall not have a voice in the parish vestry whenever any question arises in which a vote is taken. I think this proposal, which would fix a mark oa these per sons, and in all probability on their children and descend-' ants, as not belonging to the church, is calculisted to give a sectarian character to the Church of England, which I trust will still continue to be the national church of the great mass of the people. There is many a man who at one time of his life does not much like the Church of Eugland, who entertains objections to the church services, and who will not attend church, but who, perhaps some three or four years later forms different opinions, who becomes an attendant at church, and who maintains his right to attend the vestries. Now, I think it is not desirable to put a mark on three men, or to alienate them from the church. I am desirous that they should attend the vestries and take such part in tho proceedings as they may think proper, and I, therefore, object to that part ofmy right hon. friend's mea sure which might affect their right to do so. But, let us consider this rate, in itself of very tiifling amount, in the light in which it is regarded by the farmers in country parishes. They say that this rate is levied by a very aacicnt law, that the fabric of the church is much respected, and that everybody who has property should pay towards the repair of that fabric. The rate may bee half-penny, a penny, or perhaps three half-pence in the pound, and it is paid by the great majority of the farmer s, but then they are told that Farmer Such-a-one add Farmer Such-another, and the baker and the taller in the village, have all ob jected to pay the rate, on the allegation that they are not Church n with , ut making any particular declaration of faith, and that Therefore the payments of these who con ti ibute to the rate will be proportionately increased. Of course if the; e are 200 persons in the parish liable to the rate, and 50 object to its payment, it will fall so touch more !mayfly on the other 150 ; and in this way you will cause ,rash dissensions in parishes. I have had letters without end, from different parts of the country, from persons con versant with t his subject who sky that there has hitherto been no quarrel ordissensionsaboutchurchratesie theirrespective localities, but that the rates have been peaceably ordered and collected ; but when you have a certain number of men objecting to the rate, an i thereupon released from its pay ment, do not expect that peace will any longer prevail. (Hear.) Instead of liviug in their present strata, parishes, where no rates are paid but where peace exists, and other parishes where rates are paid, and where harmony likewise prevails, my hon, friend proposes to introduce a now ele ment of dissension and disunion, and, in fact, to disturb that very peace which now exists, and which it is the object of any measure on this subject to promote.' For these reasons I do not think the proposition which has been submittal to the house on the part of the Govern pant i 8 Waiely to lead to a satisfactory settlement of this vottiita. (Qom) I timid bo Toy glad if I won alplJ BUDGET OF la PENSES The budget of the year 1857 presents an increase of ex penses of 96.770,636 1 r. Tue Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Public Works, and the Ministry of the Iu tenor share unequally almost the whole- , f this increase. The credits accorded tii the Ministry of Finance for the year 1856 are or, the whole 771.798.0e0tr. The credits demanded for 1857 amount to 848,228,064 fr. There re 'cults for 1857 au increase of expenses of 77,861,749 f, palely compensated by a reduction Of 1,432,585 f. ; thns the increase is in reality 76,-429,164f. In this auemen ta,ion the public debt alone is 52,762,211 f. The .-estitu tione, negative values, arid premiums en the exportation of merchandise are set down for a sum of about 18 000,000 fr. ; it is the exact amount of that expense, which, however, is not a real expense ; but it has been thought rie,ht, from the experience of the last few years, to put it down at once at its veritable amount, which has never been done before. Then come the surveil lance of the cuhiration and the increase in the manufac ture of tobacco fur more than 4,000,0001 r,, and finally a small augmentation in the exiiense of collecting the taxes and revenues The Ministry of Public Wurks re ceives a erant superior. by 14,491.559 fr. to that of 1856; and 14,478,001 fr. of the incre ree arise from the engage- Merite contracted by the Stale w th the railway com panies. The credits of the Minisfry of the Irverior in crease by o 979,140 fr vie , 2,507,600 fr. for the depart mental, and 1,471 540 fr, for the general service. The first of these expenses is the necessary consequence of the special laws which have authorised extra,. rdieary taxes The second resu l ts prineipally from the augmentation in the ordinary expenses, and the cost of coriveymg prisoners condemned by the courts of la w , and likewise of the extension of the telegraphic service In fine, gentlemen, the comparison of the receipts and expenses presents a surplus of receipzet of 15.417,3481. That amount may appear email, when compared with the total et supplementary ere fits which each year has seen produced, and ageinst which the faculty of transfer from one ministerial department to another has not been hirheito, perhaps, a sufficient re medy. But the ativernment of the Emperor hopes more and more to restrict the supplementary credits, and to confine them to rare cases, that is to say, to want , really urgent and which could not have been foreseen. We may also hope that the real amount of the expendi ture of the year having been at once truly stated, as is the case in the present instance, will enable us to make a still greater reduction ;n the supplementary credits. Finally, gentlemen, the strict evaluation of the e-ti mates, as regards the receipts of the year 1857, warrants our belief that the resources of the year will, in point of fact, exceed the estimates, and lead to that final balance of income and expenditure which ie the desired object of your efforts and of ours ; a result, nevertheles=, dif ficult of attainment, especially when our annual expenses comprise considerable sums devoted to great public works, friiitml Uwe-talent'', in fact, ensuring future wealth, but weighing without compensation on the pre sent time. E. BOINVILUERS, President of the Section of Finance CAMILLE GODELLE Onincillor of State ; AD. Vurrar. C puneillor of State. The budget of 1357 mly be thus briefly summed up Ordinary and extraordinary ex penses . . Ordinary and extraordinary re ceipts . . 1,695,057,1641 r : . 1,710,474.512 Surplus of receipts . . 15 417.348 The ordinary expenAes are . . 1,541.493 164 Tao ordinary . receipts „ . 1,709,345.226 Leaving a surplus of . . 67,852,062 Extraordinary work . . 53,564,000 fr, Extraordinary receipts . 1,529 23E3 Remainder . . 52,434,714 Leaving a surplus . of .. . . 15 417.343 as stated above. It must be b irne in mind that, in the above figures of the 0u.1;;,t, the exceptional ex enses which the war nectissitates are not it:chided, such outlay being covered only oy means of extra.irdinary resources. The resources in question are n•it set down in the re ceipts, any more than the excepti mal outlay is amongst the expenses. Only a crsilit of 2,000,000 fr. is to be opened to the Minister of War to pay toe military pen sions of the year 1857. Naval and Military Intelligence. -~----- The steam-transport Europa. Cap'. Leitch, nrrived at Spithead yesterday tbortii. , g• from Kazatch, Constanti nop,e, Malta, Gibraltar, C irunna, and Ferrol with the steam .hattery. Glatton, 14. Capt. Cumming in tow all the way. She brought. as pa4.engers, Mr. J. Huntley, master, late of her Majesty's ship Resistance ; Mr. J. Andrews, a-sistant clerk, late of her Majesty's ship Glutton ; Lieutenant Sir C. F. W. Cuffs, of the 66th Regiment ; 25 men of the Glatton, from Constan tinople, 12 invallis from the fleet, poe sergeant of tit. Turkish Contingent, one officer's servant of ditto, two men from her Haj-stv's ship Simomm, 11 passenger from ditto, two invalids from her Majesty's ship St. George, at Lisbon, and stores, &C. Her Majesty's ship Hawke, 60, screw.hlockship, Cap fain Omman , ,ey, left Spithead yesterday at noon for Plyinneth with marin , s. 'Cue General S,re.w C•onpany's steam-ship Argo, Capt Hyde, transport Ni., 81, embarked at .ntliampton yes terday tlie horses And troops ~ f Royal Horse Artillery previously enumerated in The Sun. The Hydaspes transport, No. 87, will, it is expected. _ . receive on board Horse Artillery to-day. 'f'ne Argo will sail fu. the Crimea some tune thi4 afternoon. The Pe nineular and Oriental Gunpany's steam-ship Candia screw transport No. 213, sailed for the Crimea yester day morning. • The Cornet steam-vessel towed the Ringdove despatch gun-boat from Cowes to Portsmouth yesterday morning The Bustard ano•Banterer steam gun-boats were taken hits dock yesterday for repars, jnd the Forward and Beaver taken out. The troop-ship Resistance, Master- CorruM4nder Hall, was paid wages at Portsmouth yester day, and lur crew granted leave. The Glatton, floating battery, is ors: red into harbour. Her Majesty's jun-boats Manly, Magnet, Mastiff, and Mistletoe, built by William Briggs and Sons, left Sun derland for London yesterday. The Pelter, 2, screw steam gun - boat , Lieut.-Com mander Wm. F. Lee, left Sheerness yesterday morning for Portsmouth, to join the squadron at Spithead. The Amphion, 34 guns, screw steam-frigate, Captain Ilenry Chad-., left Sheerness yesterday morning to pro need on a trial of her machinery. Capt4in Otter, of her Majesty's steam-ship Firefly, re ceived instructions yeseerd.Y 'morning to prepare hastily f . A. sea, so as to ha ready to leave Woolwich imme.diately for the "'Baltic. She will proceed to Portsmouth to-day to coal. Tire Dee, Master-commander Pullen, sailed 'run Woolwich yesterday mf , rning with machinery, &c., - for P esrnouth and Plymouth. The exterior walls of the new foundry and shell fAs tory at Woolwich are fast rising towards completion, and such is the expedition with which the works are carried on by the contractors that, although it was only a few days since that the foundation stone was laid, the building has assumed a, very forward state. The window frames base been adju , ted and fixed, the walls being about 14 feet high. The paper factory is likewise pro gresing rap i dly towards completion, and it is expected will commence operations in the early part of April. The eneines and machinery are being delivered, and are from the firm of Mesrs. Hick, of Bolton. It is calcu lated that immeace facilities will bo obtained by that acquisition to the Royal Arsenal departments, which will supply not the paper alone, but likewise provide the pulp with which the cartridges are prepared. The transport Norman left Woolwich yesterday morn ing foi the Critnea, with the troops and horses men tiored in The Sun of Tuesday. The Admiralty have conveyed to the storekeeper of D.rat..rd dockyard an expression of their lordships' satis faction end approbation of the exertions of that officer and the two senior clerks of his department, and of the tnau,.er chid. the responsible duties of providing and chipping st,res durng the pressure occasioned by the War was conducted. Mr.. Evans Evans - was yesterday appointed surgeon t• t'ao C6r , ii.,ral)t, a. d Mr. Richard Mumferd, second master to the Pere., erance._ • Large numberA of recruits are arriving at Chatham Barracks to join the depots of the provisional battalion. On TueSday evenin , _ , a considerable number arrived from London, bhiefly for the depots of the 20th, 43d, 64th, 84th,.aiid Regiments. Besides the above, a party of cccroit j,ined the head-quarters of the Medical Staff Corps at the Casemate Barracks. An ord,..r hasr been received by Colonel Sandham, the director of the Royal Engineers establishment at Bramp ton BArrark, directing that 320 noncommissioned offi cwrs and privates of tike corps of Royal Sappers and Miners, with lb officers of the Royal Engineers, are to prepare for immediate embarkatioh. ie 111direteed _ that they ere act i$ tic patio,. COAL MARKE! ertoos of Coal per ton at s. d. Bate's West Hartley 15 0 1 Byass's West Hartley l7 0I Eden Main 15 0 Davison's West Hartley 17 61Bell :l5 6 Hasting's Hartley Elolywell ...................15 6 Braddyll its 6 Howard's West Hartley Haswell 17 6 Netherton l7 6 Hetton l7 0 1 6 Longridge's Wst Hartley 17 3; H e tt on L yons Main 0 North Percy Hartley ...15 0 1 Lambton l7 6 South Peareth l5 tit Pensher 15 6 Taufielcl Moor l5 0 1 Plummer l5 0 rantield Ifoor Butes 15 0 Russell's Fletton .......... 1 6 0 Tyne Main 15 0 South Hetton 17 6 Walker Primrose .........14 0 Stewart's West Pelton l5 6 Hartlepool ...... . 17 6. 6 West Riding Hartley ...15 0 Haugh Hall i 6 Grey's West Hartley ....16 6 Kelloe 1 6 I Wylam 14 6 South Kelloe 15 6 Tees Viral'send, &c. Eveuwood 14 6 Gosforth l4 9i A n th rac it e Steam . ...... ‘ , O 6 Harton l4 9113ireho e ToveGraigola ...... 0 Heaton ..... 0 Fledley • .14 91Wnyne's Merthyr ........ 6 Kilda 14 3 Whitworth lO 6 15 Riddell l4 6, West Kelloe Skips at market 211 I Sold RAILWAY TRAFFIC RETURNS. re• LONDON AND SOUTH-EASTERN RAILW AY . —T r swe - 1 0 turn for the week ending March 1, 18s6 £14,246 3 '5 Corresponding week last year 12,011 4 a £2,23419 Increase in 1856 LONDON, BRIGHTON, AND SOUTH COAST RAILWAIV ['raffle return for the week ending March 1, 6 1856 R 10,234 4 $ Corresponding week last year 8 209 8 , , _ _„l,, rotalfof the half-year to this date, 1856 89,3'24 lu .10 rota] of the half-year to this date,lßss GREAT NORTHERN RAlLWAY,—Traffic return for th; week ending Feb. 21, 1856 £20,')19 15 5 Corresponding week last year 17,917 4 LANCASHIRE AND YORKSHIRE RAILWAY. —T2 liffiyo , turn for the week ending March 2, 1856 £20,728 I' 6 Corresponding week last year 17,928 7 CHESTER AND HOLYHEAD RAlLWAY.—Traffic return fi t i the week ending March 2, 1856 .£4,2?7 . 16 x) ,, rresponding week last year 4,038 it ./ --- 0 £lB9 1 - , - Increase in 1856 . GLASGOW AND SOUTH-WESTERN RAlLWAY.—Tra ffic tr tarn for the week ending Match 1, 1856 £5,584 Correspondingorresponding wee* last year . ... Increase in 1856. /C vfee CORK AND RANDON RAlLWAY.—Traffi c re t urn for - enr.ing March 1, 1356 £262 11 6 Corresponding week last year • [A DvitivrienfENT.] —Hotioway's Ointment an. - P' lloo I r B •‘' r.ea.—Estract of a let'", from Mr. Charles Sacre, of Ch urc h- s t reet, Pr 1 - toLoway.-Isir, I tog to offer you f i g my sincere thanks f or th e m i racu l ous cure whic h i n , aloahle ointment and pills have effected on my ' 8 ;1 For four months I was in a L on d on h osp i tal, and Itirl)-f out afterwards as incurable, with very little hope s 6 , saving my leg, but I am happy to say that your re b, dies have effected a perfect and speedy cure.' Sold all medicine vendor, threughont the world, at ProleS g° ,i Fl ,, lloway'e establishment., 244, Strand, London, s n , 80, Maiden-lane, New York; by A. Stamp s , Coestan' ,i nople ; A. Guidicy, Smyrna ; and E Muir, Malta. ye [A DVERTISEMENT.]- The distinguishin g c h arac t er i s tic of . iio Barry's Rovalenta Arabic Food is succinctly described hi v 8 of the sufferers who have been relieved by it, a s ha/ 1 ; a " done all that medicine failed to e ff ec t." With ou t re cour, to clyster or bolus, it affords a perfect cure in th e m ost inf „ t , terate and distressing cases of disease connected with nerves, stomach, liver, kidneys, and intestines, as exhibi t in au innumerable variety of malignant forms. The list those who have taken the trouble to acknowl e d ge porson3 ch ,',. the benefits they have derived from the F oo d now eon sia . " o : ably exceeds fifty thousand, and incl u d es persons of all lssteni from the peer to the artisan. H ones t Sergeant Nees, m s, of Majesty's ship Crocodile, who d ec l ares th at he has been t er stored to health and life by it, and " wishes every Pla creature labouring und er di sease could become acqualo'ra with the Food," i s as explicit in his thanks as I," Stuart do Decies, M a j or -G eneral King, the Veil, Arcl lo 7; con Stuart, (te , &c. Mr. J. S. Newton, of Plymouth, Glares to the same effect:—"For the last ten years I havell es a suffering from dy speps i a, h ea d ac h es, nei vousness, low sleeplessness, and delusions, and swallowed an incredw amount • f medicine without relief. lam happy to saY your Food has cured me, and I am now enjoying betterhss!',,,, than I have h a d f or man y y ear s p as t," "E x , uno disc i oinues." In every instance, the report is th e same —PO .l° i. cure —health, ease, and happiness, after yea rs o f vain e pi periment, and the outlay of continuous sums . of 1 0 ° 9 4 0 in physic. At no epoch in the histo r y o f h uman ity such a mass of indisputable, incontrovertible evids tl yi been brought to bear upon a topic involving the fal i, momentous consequences to the well being .of In canisters, 51bs. Ils.; 121b5., 225. The 121bs, carriNfa free, on receipt of pest.oMee order. Barry du Barry Co., 77, Regent-street, London ; Fortnum, Mason, and Oh' Purveyors to her Majesty, Piccadilly ; also at 60, 0 14 4_ obueel-street ; 33.) and 451, Strand; 4, Cheapside ; u r4 ' . Ccembiii ; 49, Bishopsgate-street; 55, Charing-cross; Upper Baker-street; 63 and 150. Oxford-street. BIRTHS. ON A OM On the sth inert`., at Waltham Abbey, the wife of Lev° . ton Jeseop, Esq. On the 2d inst., .at Megginch Cattle, Perthshire, a t. wife of John Murray Drummond, Esq. 011' A DAUGHTER. On the 3d inst., at 6, A.ulley-squars, the Lady C° l " stance Maidstone. On the 4th inst., at Up °tiny, Devon, the wife of the Hon. W. W. Addington. MANIE,IED. On tho 4th inst , at St. Botolph, Bisisopsgate,,Willis o W. Moxhay, Esq., of Reading, to Emma, the you'll laughter of the late Edward ioxlasy, Esq., of Stamfor d " hill. On the 4th inst., at St. Pancras Church, Henry, sego lon of tho late S. W. Stevenson, Esq., of Norwich, Eliza, daughter of the late Henry Dangerfleld, ° Barking, Essex. DIED. On the 4111 inst., at Tu se-bill, Arthur Hunt, Esq., 113° of GreeLhitbe, and formeily of Dartmouth, aged 87. On the 4th inst., at 12, Westhoirne-crescent, 119u' . park. Edward Humphreys, Esq. On the 3d inst., at the Rectory, Northiam, Busses, O i l Rev. William Edw ar d Lord, D.D., rural dean, rector 0' Nortbiam, aged Oa the 3d inst , Robert Willson, Esq., of Shaw-stre et ' Liverpool, aged 70. On the 2d inst., at 27, Middleton-road, Masten, Mr. T. Taylor, aged 53. • Killed at Sebastopol, by an accidental explosion, on the 2bth ult., Major Cleo. Retaken, Royal Engineers, aged 2 • Oa the 21th of December last, at sea, on his IstseaW home, Lientenant-Colonel Frederick Coventry, of the 60 Bengal Light Cavalry. ------ ONDON : Printed and Published by MtTRDO YOUITO :If No. 112, Strand, Printer, at - The Sun Ofilee-,140;i12, Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, is the eau*/ 0i iiidalesesi Thunders Kush %/AO! ~Y LOTql Ev'FlT'ir.D AVD MR. LAYARD. The f,Po ving corre,poodeo , e ha, been published :-- "Wrotham-park, March 1. " Sir,—You are represented in the papers of this date to have applied the words one of the grossest jobs ever brought before this house, to the formation of the corp. of olzicers in the regiment under my command. " If any job has been perpetrated I alone am rear' side fur it, fur every appointment in the regiment, with the exception of the senior captain, has been made,AS my suggestion. The gentlemen who have done me the honour to servo under my command are, in character, position, awe' independence, as superior to tkis unworthy insinu e tine a: they are un-urp asse d by an y o th er corps in th o regular or militia service, for zeal, activity, and iota' genes in the discharge of their duty. " One officer only is related to me. "If you were ignorant of this fact, commou decenel should have caused inquiry before you talked family party.' " I hope that you may be able to say that you we re rnis-reported, or that you will retract this groundl osB and insulting charge before I stigmatise it as it deseri o " ENFIELD, Colonel Commanding ft , yal Middlesex Ribs. " A. H. Layard, Esq., M.P." " 9, Little Ryder-street, March 3. " My Lord,—The expression of 'job,' which I Eon! use of in speaking of the regiment of militia of whic" you are colonel, did not apply to the formation of th l corps of officers, as y will perceive by the report ° what I said in the Daily New s , b u t t o th e f ac t o f the re' gituent having been left 16 months without having bel called out in a time of war, and while the county b.- n saddled with a blllll amounting to nearly 10,0 00 " for barracks, Ac. "Nor in 'Lasing use of the words f am il y pa rty, c;id I mean actual relationship, but political conoec; tion, as ;s evident from the context, as I mentioned the names of Mr. Grenfell, Mr. Russell, and Sir Erslii° l Perry. " I am misreported in having stated that Mr. Gl ;en. fell was Lord Paninure's nephew ; I said, privat e secretary.' " Y +4are at liberty to make a ny use y ou thi n k e. of this letter. " The Lord Enfield." " A. H. LayAltv. Country r he~a. EDINBURGH MEAL MARBET—MAtcH . 4. h *hero were in the market to-day 16 sacks oatmeal, cli c " weighing 280 lbs imperial, which sold at 425. Od. EDINBURGH HAY AND STRAW MARKET MARCII 2. Supplies of all kinds these last six days again largo. Oat straw, from 9s Od to Ils Od per kenaple of 6 stop; tron; wheat do., 75 Gd Od; barley do., 7s 61 to 6d. Hay from 10d to 15d. DALKEITH MEAL 'I , IARKET—M rocs 1 Oatmeal, per sack of 2801bs I Yrat. Recond. Tbit imperial 01 Barleymeal, per ditto Pease,meal, per ditto Flour, per ditto — a Od — a Od - -- s 0 / Poi-barley, per ditto T.—MARCH i. the dose of the market. Wall eend, /to. T' 8 Victo Capital (The ho Joseph recto: Lewis C George Captain the 0 Charles of the paay, John Gc of the Robert Bonjami and I MANAGE R. McL Pan'''. Comp CONSULT] Engin SouciTo] toavenie *hole ni; that oils Steps key a fin tom of 3 Places wi empire. Twa of the coup the detai have Pull powg Coale , to, eater than hit] the couu coal in lii The co facture a lcula bode of fe state t Ro favour Power any la liability The di are seek if from a trona pro Sapital kit exce4 Applic inst., at 1 Throadru .......______ T" Lot . 14 1 d Trolly 4 14 IBM i k,ch Peru uookyard 40 Tons o li „ , A form No tend ler ►ill a barn duly R'ery t Tito, " a, 0 7 a letter With the sttlia con NOT ne t &NDID APPO I 'ST t„t) EAST , ornoMisic Act 16th n tionLsv )sincr Corer 411 nab a`it e, an mis the Tie; m L ittloarab tileh expel "I (eh rOnnent "T&Pally, 3. Meo raPentia z. Ani 4 . Nat The fc 4 6010gy ltall Cours zetany- Lindle • ',lndic 1. By 3. Sy btti of: B 3. 4 14.1 bo 4. By Tb. p net qu h_Tt tnber "nlPar Will per vrbioh t *bleb t Attu; medical they mei eitty al .ndta u from th me ted re g A co) ntatne Zt 1 The I Jub , in %ether didates The, /ndia C ',blest 404i10g) their of T( Uni t t, daties Cf thet The Ca l edge *r Anir are co r Wit or • a