The Sun. — London, England, 1861-06-18 00:00:00

VIE EXPERIMENTS WITH THE ARM- IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. STRONG GUNS. (From the Times.) To witness the experiments at Shoeburynesa on Thurs day last, for the purpose. of testing the Armstrong guns, there were present—Lord Herbert, Secretary of State for "W ar ; Major-General J. Bloomfield, Inspector-General of Artillery ; m a jor-General Sir H. J. Dacres, K.C.8., the Commandant at Shoeburyness ; and their respective staffs, together with a large number of Artillery, Engineer, mu d other officers. The experiments were directed against two batteries, composed respectively of 10-inch mu d 8-inch iron bars. The 10. inch bars were sup- Torted at the end by strong iron struts and by four upright bars, into the slots of which some of ;the horizontal bars, backed with dovetails, were shipped 'anal keyed by wedges, a contrivance which braced the whole ' of the horizontal bars together. The screen of 8-inch bars was backed at each end by six or eight feet of cemented zaasonry and brickwork. The guns employed were a 100- Tounder rifled Armstrong, and a 120-pounder shunting Armstrong, which broke the bars with almost every shot, reducing cracks in the bars both above and below, while the whole mass was moved by every shot, the 10-inch screen being driven back one or two feet, and the masonry which supported the 8-inch screen being, at the points where the screen rested, forced bodily back about three-quarters of an inch. The remainder of the masonry was cracked through and through from top to bottom. (From the Mousing Post.) A s econd series of experiments was carried out on Friday last at the Government practice range, Shoeburyness, with a view to test the power of Sir W. Armstrong's heavy guns when opposed to the strongest combination of iron and tim ber. The Admiralty steam-vessel Vivid proceeded down the river with a numerous party to witness the proceedings, and amongst the passengers were the Duke of Somerset, First Lord, and other members of the Admiralty; General Sir R. Dacres, Commandant at Woolwich ; Col. Tulloh ; Brigade-Major Wilward ; Majcr Field, Deputy-Assistant- Quattermaster General; and other artillery officers. The target used was, as on a former occasion, composed of a solid wall of iron plates 10 inches thick, backed by heavy timberwork braced with iron bars, and constructed on Thomcroft's system of dovetailing. Instead of the former - range of 600 yards, the fortification was attacked by Arm strong 100 -pounders at 400 yards' range. Without detail ing the result of each shot it may be stated that the experi meats fully proved the fact that the heavy rifled ordnance of Sir W. Armstrong is the most destructive agent known in modern warfare, as the mass of iron and timber was re peatedly pierced and ultimately completely shattered. (From the Daily News.) During last week a series of experiments were carried out at Shoeburyness, under the immediate direction and supe rintendence of Sir W. Armstrong, in the presence of Lord Herbert, Secretary of State of War ; General Bloomfield, Inspector-General of Artillery ; General Sir R. J. Dacres, K.C.8., and a considerable number of officers. The prac • tics commenced on the first day by firing at a battery formed of wrought iron, 10 inches in thickness, at a range of a quarter of a mile, the gun used being the 100-pounder Armstrong rifled cannon, with 68 grooves in the rifling, and the iron shot, which was of the elongated pattern, cased with lead. At this distance the practice was something astonishing, the shot breaking the solid bars of iron, although the whole were dovetailed together in one mass, and passing completely through the battery. The 120- pounder Armstrong rifled gun was next tried at the same abject with a precisely similar range, and here the results were equally decisive, the battery being so shaken as to be nearly destroyed. Some experiments were next made upon a solid oak battery, 7 feet in length by 6 in thickness, with 120-pounder, 100-pounder, and a 7-inch howitzer. Only a very few shot and shell had been fired before the butt was completely destroyed, scarcely a vestige of it being left standing, notwithstanding its great thickness. By direction of the Admiralty, the Hussar has been sent from Chatham to Shoeburyness to be experimented upon with Martin's liquid iron shells, in order to test their effects when fired into the sides of vessels of war. On the subject of the effect of shot from the Armstrong gun on iron plates, the correspondent of the Times writes as follows :—ln the Times of the 17th appears a letter signed " W. I. C.," professing to give an account of the exPeri- mental firing upon two iron plates affixed to the side of the Sirius target-ship in Porchester Creek, on the 11th inst., and in which he states that the gun used was a new Armstron 200-pounder, with a range of from 200 to 400 yards, &c. and describes the havoc made by the projectiles from thi weapon upon the iron plates and ship's side, &c. At the trial in question I was allowed to be present as your corres pondent, and forwarded you a detailed report, which was, however, so much at variance with what is now stated by "W. I. C.," that I must beg you to allow me to state the facts of the trial, which took place in the presence of several of the members of the Iron Plate Committee, in as short a manner as possible. Not a shot was fired from an Armstrong gun, all the practice being from a 95 cwt. 68-pounder smooth bore gun at 200 yards range, with a charge of 161 b. of powder. The result of the firing proved the small plate to be of too brittle a nature to resist the impact of the solid 68-pounder, but the large plate, manu factured by Messrs. Beale, and referred to by " W. I. C.," gave very different results, and proved to be of a very superior fibrous nature to any plate that had yet been experimented upon from the solid shot 68-pounder in Porchester Creek. Where this plate was struck fairly in its centre by the shot,the lattermade an indentation of two inches on the plate's surface and then dropped off innocuous. Three shots struck the plate and fell back from its surface, leaving three two-inch in dentations in a triangular form. with about 18-inch base. The plate was afterwards struck by two other shot in the area of the triangle, but still it was not penetrated. One corner of the plate was carried away by successive shots striking it in the same place, and two pieces were broken out of its edges, tut these could only be considered in the light of unfair blows, as those parts of the plate were with out the support they would receive when fixed on a ship's side, in company with other plates, and tongued and grooved as is the case with the Warrior's plates. The only instance of the plate being penetrated by a single shot was in its midship part, where it had been placed over one of the Sirius's maindeck ports for the purpose of testing the difference in the effects produced by the solid 68-ponnder upon iron 41 • , inch plates supported upon a bed of timber, as we are now constructing our iron-cased ships, and upon iron plates without such support. In this instance the result was in favour of the timber backing, the plates, as I have said being penetrated by a single shot, which was crushed into fragments in its passage through the plate and strewed upon the frigate's deck. The fracture of the plate at this part proved its tough, fibrous quality, its splinters being confined to pieces thrown off within a diameter of 18 inches of the spot where the shot passed through, and leaving the plate without any of those fearful fissures that have been so often witnessed in other iron plates ; indeed, it was one of the most remarkable features in this plate that it should be so free from those cracks, which generally extend between the bolt holes and edges of the plate, after the tremendous pounding it had received. The Sirius has b een t arge t- s hi p a t P ortsmouth for some lime, and the damage referred to by "WlC"which she has rec e i ved on her:port side, has been inflicted by bythe hun dreds of so li d shoted haveat and through various descripti ons of armour pl a t es whichria been bolt e d on t o h er s id es f or would that purpo s e. Whathave been th e resu lt o f a ll th e firing at the Si r i us had there beent no armour plates ? Armour-plate experiments a with firing shell at th em, which Portsmouth commence d P o as glass bottles would ha ve done, and about as effi cac i ous the solil shot from the 95 c w t . gunas ended s o f ar w ith , With this weapon experiments have be en made upon many er 41 inch lateq both iron and sheet, some of which pit has smashed at once, and others after a succession of blows, not neces sarily upon the same spot. Others have been penetrated 13 a single shot, as in the case of the chain armour, while others again have withstood the crash of 68 in a wonderful manner, as instanced by the Warrior's scrap-iron sample plate, and the large plate referred to in the present instance, and which may be looked upon as the most successful in . 4 met s on record at Portsmouth of the resistance offered by 41• inch plates, placed in a vertical position, to the solid cast-iron shot from the 95 cwt. gun. HOUSE OF COMMONS-YESTERDAY. THE VACANT SEATS APPROPRIATION BILL. The house went into committee on appropriation of the seats of St. Albans and Sudbury, and resumed at clause 3. Sir F. GOLDSMID regretted the absence of the right hon. baronet the member for Carlisle, but he gave notico that he would move the amendment which he (Sir James Graham) had put on the paper for the London University being substituted for Chelsea and Kensington in the dis tribution of those vacant seats. Mr. DUNCOMBE moved that Burnley be substituted for Chelsea and Kensington. Colonel DUNNE proposed that an additional member should be given to Cork, but was called to order, the hon. member for Finsbury being in possession of the house. Mr. SCULLY—I move that the Chairman report pro gress and ask leave to sit again that day six months. Mr. MASSEY (the Chairman of Committees) called the hon. and learned member to order. Mr. DUNCOMBE then urged the claims of Burnley to an additional seat, on the ground of its increasing popu lation and wealth. Sir G. C. LEWIS said the Government did not bring forward this bill as a comprehensive measure of reform, but merely to enable the house to distribute certain seats fin conformity with the act of Parliament. He denied, however, that the present bill was an insignificant measure, as was shown by the anxiety of different places to get one of the vacant seats. He admitted the importance of Burnley, but, considering that 13 seats had been appro priated to South Lancashire and the North Riding, he thought giving the fourth member to Burnley would be conferring too much on a limited district. Mr. SCULLY then brought forward his motion, and urged at considerable length the claims of the county of Cork to one of the vacant seats on the ground of its extent, population, and wealth. He pressed this proposal on the I very ground that it would give one member more to Ire land, for which country alone Catholic members could by any possibility be returned. (Oh.) It might be said that Catholic constituencies elected Protestant members because they found Liberal candidates coming forward, and that, though there were :liberal Protestants, there were no libe ral Catholics, and therefore a Protestant constituency could not select a Catholic member. But he denied this, for there were many Roman Catholics who were not ultramontane, but were as liberal as Protestants, and the fact of the elec tion of Protestants by Catholic constituencies was the best proof of this liberality. Perhaps it was the fault of the Roman Catholics for not having courage to face the turbu lence of the mob at an English election—(a laugh)—and if his proposal were adopted, he should perhaps test the mat ter by standing for Marylebone, on the express ground that he was an Irish Roman Catholic, and wished to prove it to these rare Liberal Protestant constituencies in England. (A laugh.) He had cut out of a paper an extract from an article written by a Roman Catholic writer, who ho was sure would not object to his (Mr. Scully's) mention of his name. (Oh, oh, and divide.) It was said that eloquence depended more on the audience than on the speaker, and it was certainly impossible for an Irishman to attempt elo quence in the house, for the moment he began to be carried away with his subject, some gentlemen whom he would not describe (for Irishmen were always civil) would interrupt him with rude remarks. (Much laughter.) He thought under the circumstances he had better sit down. (Hear, and much laughter.) He should cenclude by moving that the blank be filled up with the words county of Cork, in stead of Chelsea and Kensington. Mr. AYRTON moved that the Speaker report progress. He made that motion because he thought something was due to the house at the hands of Government, in order to extricate them from the state of bewilderment into which they had been thrown by what had occurred. (Hear, hear.) Four propositions had been made by different members. One hon. member had announced; but not moved, a propo sition for giving the seat to the universities. Another had shadowed forth a proposal, which he also abstained from proposing. The hon. member for Finsbury spoke in favour of a proposal which he did not move, though the speaker, by mistake, had put it to the house ; and now the hon. and learned ,member for Cork had delivered a tremendous speech in favour of a proposal which could not be put. (Laughter.) But what was the position of Government? They them selves had, at the former debate, proposed to report progress in order that they might have time to consider what to do. He fully expected that her Majesty's Government would have stated to the house the course which the Government intended to do with respect to supplying this vacancy. Were the Government to be permitted to throw the bill on the floor of the house, and say " scramble for the seat as you best may ?" This was not a proper mode of dealing with a great question involving grave constitutional consi derations. The principle of the Government had been negatived, and he had made the suggestion that the chair man should report progress, in order to afford the Govern. ment an opportunity of making some distinct statement on the subject. Sir G. C. LEWIS said that the difficulty in which the committee found itself placed was due to the course of pro ceeding which had been taken on a former occasion, of striking out certain words from the clause without meaning to substitute others for them. The consequences of cat rying that amendment had been to create a blank in the clause. Propositions were made by several hon. members to fill up that blank, and it was not in the power of the Government to interfere. The motion before the committee was that Burnley be inserted in the bill. Her Majesty's Govern• ment would not give support to that amendment ; they would prefer that the vacant seat should be given to Middle sex, and when the time came for bringing forward that pro position they would give it their support. (Hear, hear.) Mr. DISRAELI considered that it was understood that her Majesty's Government were to consider their position with respect to this bill, and that when the house again went into committee, they would give some distinct state ment as to the course intended to be taken. The amendment carried on the last occasion for striking certain words out of the clause, was not an unusual nor an unprecedented one, and the hon. member who submitted it had acted with per fect propriety. It was no doubt an inconvenient course to the Government now that it had been carried. Bat if that course were inconvenient a week ago, it was no reason why they should not now be prepared with some proposition which would prevent the house from suffering any inconve nience in consequence. The Government ought to come for ward and guide the opinion of the house in the difficulty in which it was placed. There was a question of policy in re ference to this bill which was especially the province of a statesman and a cabinet of statesmen to deal with upon broad and comprehensive grounds. He entreated the Go vernment to assume the responsibility of this bill, and to give it that consideration which its importance deserved, and which would come with that authority which would command the attention of the house. If the Government were not prepared at the present moment with any proposi tion, he thought that the best course would be to adopt the proposition of the member for the Tower Hamlets for re porting progress. Lord PALMERSTON said that he did not complain of the debate which had taken place on the former occasion. Her Majesty's Government had chosen four places which, in their opinion, were the most fitting to lit-Carn four mem bers. The house concurred with the Government with respect to three of them, but declined to accede to the pro position of giving a member to Chelsea and Kensington, and there were then several propositions before the house for appropriating that single seat. The Government had taken time to consider which of those proposals they thought was upon the whole the best for the house to adopt, and had come to the conclusion that the third mem ber for Middlesex would be the best. If the committee concurred with the Government in that opinion there would be an end of the matter. (A laugh.) He did not think it was necessary to adjourn the debate in order to give the Government an opportunity of bringing in a great and comprehensive measure for disposing of a single vacant seat C in the ho use . (A l aug h .) Col. V/. PATTEN h a d rece i ved communications from Burnley, complaining of the statement made by the Secre tary of the Home Department , that the pop u l a ti on o f th a t was but 26, 000 ,whereas it was at least 38,000. It h a d that Burnie a v strong shouldi neverymeasure since the gr ea t R e f orm Bill felt they had trnatag have a memb er , an d t h e i n h a bi tan t s able consid erat i o n claim upon the hou se f or favour been brought on at so eartluuatalY for Finsbury th a t h e felt abruytthe case of Burnl e y h a d period by th e lion. member littlea confidence in the result, as every other member who ha ah to that tow n . (H ear. ) motion o n th e su bj ect the course which would Tvo.tse.agDatrinNstegoilnhgEthe nieroexplainedthatconsequenceiao the Govern ment they intended had arose he had followed was taken in ment not giving any informatio n as to what to do in the matter. The four vacancie s h a b orou gh seats, and he thought it would beunfacitrrotsoagifrvott from majority of those seats to the country representation. Col. FRENCH suggested that some member of the Go vernment should move that the vacant seat be given to Mid. dlesex, for the purpose of raising that question fairly before the committee. Sir G. GREY said that the question of Middlesex could not be entertained until the other amendments were disposed of. It was not possible for the Government to overrule the orders and regulations of the house. Mr. DISRAELI pointed out that the statement just made by the right hon. baronet proved that there was nothing inconvenient in the course taken by the committee in strik ing out Chelsea and Kensington. _ I Lord J. RUSSELL said it was not complained that the course adopted was irregular; and when the motion for inserting Middlesex was brought forward, the Government would be prepared to give it their support. Mr. BENTINCK complained that the waste of time which had been incurred in dealing with this question was due entirely to the conduct of the Government, who appeared to have been holding a cabinet council on the Treasury benches on the subject. (A. laugh.) After some discussion on the order of proceeding, the motion for reporting progress, and the amendment for giving Burnley the seat were withdrawn, and Mr. KNIGHTLEY was proceeding to move that a third member be given to the county of Middlesex, when Mr. BLACKBURN rose to order, on the ground that the amendment in favour of the London University had precedence on the paper, and moved a portion only of that amendment, notice of which had been given by the right hon. but. the member for Carlisle (Sir J. Graham.) Sir G. GREY said that by the amendment, in the form proposed, the proceedings of the house would be turned into ridicule, and the proposal was trifling with the time of the house. Mr. NEWDEGATE said that no county had such claim for the vacant seat as Middlesex. He was born in that county— (a laugh)—and was well acquainted with its claims in consequence of his having acted for some time past as chairman of the Middlesex Registration Association. (Hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL thought that the best course would be to permit the amendment in favour of Middlesex to be proposed. Mr. BLACKBURN withdrew his amendment. Mr. KNIGHTLEY wished to say a few words in sup port of the amendment of which he had given notice, namely, that Middlesex be entitled to return three knights of the shire instead of two. He'contended that Middlesex had strong claims to possess an additional representative upon the ground of population and property. The member for the University of Cambridge had suggested the other night that Middlesex ought to be divided, and that each division should return two members. He (Mr. Knightley) cordially concurred in that view, and that it was a much more preferable plan to the one he was now proposing, and if he thought it had the slightest chance of being sanctioned by the committee, he should very willingly have pro posed a motion to that effect. But under the circumstances he begged, with great deference, to propose his amendment, thinking that, upon the whole, it was a fair and reasonable recognition of the strong claims which Middlesex possessed. Lord ENFIELD expressed the pleasure he felt at being in a position to corroborate the observations which had fallen from the hon. member for North Warwickshire (Mr. Newdegate), that, after the West Riding of Yorkshire, Middlesex had the strongest claims to be represented by an additional member. There were seven counties in England returning three members to Parliament, and the largest number of electors any one of these contained was 7,000, whereas Middlesex contained 15,000. There were 15 coun ties returning four members, and each of these contained a fewer number of electors than Middlesex, which had only two members. The annual value of property in Middlesex was £1,616,400, and the rental was £1,819,566. He gave these statistics from Parliamentary returns, respecting the accuracy of which, he presumed, there could be no doubt. Mr. BLACKBURN here, with the leave of the house, withdrew his amendment. Sir J. PAKINGTON hoped the committee would not come to a division under any erroneous impression. It had been said by the hon. member for North Warwickshire that the question as regarded the West Riding of York shire had already been disposed of, but it was necessary to state, in reply, that the hon. member for Knaresborough had a notice of motion still standing on the paper to give a seat to that Riding. (Hear, hear.) He (Sir J. Pakington) agreed with several previous speakers that the claims of Middlesex were strong, and the best thing Government could have done was to give two members each to Yorkshire and Middlesex. His own intention was to vote against every proposalin order to support the motion of the hon, member for Knaresborough. Mr. COLLINS said he would certainly raise the ques tion whether the West Riding of Yorkshire should or should not be divided. This had not as yet been decided. If it had been, the Government might have been saved from the hu miliation of a defeat. (Hear, and laughter.) If the West Riding were divided, there would be 21,000 electors in one division, and 19,000 in the other. Yorkshire stood first on the list for increased representation, and he and others felt themselves fairly entitled to vote against any proposition until justice was done to that county. (Hear.) Sir G. C. LEWIS said the first clause had been already agreed to, which assigned three members each to Lancashire and Yorkshire, and that if the hon. member who had just spoken wished to have the West Riding divided, that could only be done by the election of a fourth member, and the latter could only be elected after the present Parliament. Mr. DISRAELI reminded the honourable member for Knaresborough that he would have a right to submit his proposition on the bringing up of the report. He (Mr. Disraeli) entirely objected to a plurality of votes for coun ties. He thought two members quite enough to represent any place. The subject was discussed in a former session, when there was a general feeling in favour of that prin ciple. Members were not sent to that house to represent the power of a place, but the opinion of a place. (Hear.) It was true that there were some precedents yielded by the Reform Bill of 1832, which placed some counties in a very false position. He would support connty representations by means of division of counties. He would vote against the proposition of giving a third member for Middlesex, although not from any want of sympathy with the claims of that county. Mr. SCULLY said that the county of Cork had a larger number of electors than the county of Middlesex, and that • • • the proposition to give another member to the latter had been virtually rejected by the vote of the house the other night. Mr. HUMBERSTONE said that, as some allusion had been made in the course of the debate to the county of Chester, he wished to observe that that county had only three boroughs in it, while boroughs in the county of Mid dlesex returned 12, 14, or, ho believed, 16 members. Mr. NE WDEGATE said that if a third member were given to Middlesex, the claims of labour in that county would then be somewhat adequately represented. The committee divided— For Mr. Knightley's amendment 186 Against it Majority against it —5O Lord PALMERSTON was sorry the house had not agreed to the amendment of the hen. member for North amptonshire. He thought the best course now to pursue would be to take the clause for giving a seat to Birkenhead, and then they could discuss the question afterwards of giving four members to the West Riding, and whether that riding should be divided, or should remain undivided. (Cries of "Divide.") Mr. COLLINS was quite ready to fall in with the noble lord's views. Mr. AYRT ON protested against four members being given to the manufacturing interests, and called upon the committee to proceed upon some definite intelligible prin- ciple. After a few words from Mr. BLICBURN and Mr. B. COCHRANE, Mr. DISRAELI said the decision to which the committee had just arrived, had very much altered the character of the measure, and it was of the utmost importance they should consider the changes now proposed in all their cha racter. There was an amendment on the paper by the right hon. gentleman the Secretary of State for the Home De partment to increase and alter the boundaries of Birken head. He thought the committee should have the data be fore them before this amendment was introduced, that the chairman should report progress, and that the Government should take time for consideration. He believed the best arrangement that could Le made would be to divide the West Riding and the county of Middlesex, and to give the four seats to those two counties. He would not wish to take any step which might appear uncourteous to the Go vernment, but he would suggest delay, and trusted that the noble lord would, as leader of the house, accede to the sug gestion. Sir G. C. LEWIS said that the Government adhered to the clauses which had already been proposed by them. With regard to Birkenhead, he had given notice to add a small township, but had since heard that the proposal was opposed to local views on the subject, and he therefore should not press his proposal. Mr. TOLLEMACHE advocated the claims of Birken head on commercial grounds, as well as on the main ques tion of population. He believed that the duties of the pro posal member for Birkenhead would be excessively severe. Mr. SCULLY said that the house had already, on the grounds that the metropolis had already sufficient repre sentation, come to a decision adverse to the proposal of the Government, and on that ground the objection was as strong against Lancashire as Yorkshire, and he begged to move that the Chairman report progress. Mr. BENTINCK supported the amendment, but on different grounds than those taken by the hon. and learned gentleman. In England the rural districts were without sufficient representation, and every seat given to a borough was an act of gross spoliation. (A laugh.) Hon. members might laugh, but he was quite prepared to prove the asser tion, and he wished to remind every rural representative that if he voted for the appropriation of any one of these seats to an urban representation, they would be injuring the constituencies which they represented. Mr. NEWDEGATE admitted the principle that the counties of England were not properly represented, and he trusted that the house would take that into consideration. Without flattering the noble lord the member for London, he could only say that his bill of 1854 was the most com plete bill which had been introduced into the house, and he had proposed to give 40 additional members to the English counties. Sir G. LEWIS said that the question before the com mittee was that of reporting progress, but he could see no course more unreasonable at that hour of the evening than adjourning the discussion, and he trusted that the house would agree to proceed with the debate till a more advanced hour. Colonel DUNNE could not admit the wish expressed by an honourable member thantonol more should be heard of h th i at . the c h o o - u o place so badly represented as Irishlreland. el a i ms (Loud T h l e a r u e jt a te s r . ) ealurishmerobers, denied ed that Ireland was represented adequately, and he hoped hear more of it, and h® trusted that p t co-operation, house ra ti wouldo n , de spite of vituperation, would see the v which and vote for no Government, whatever th e e of be—(a laugh)—which was not prepared to donlenssotilitmoilre land. lle agreed that the landed interest was properly represented in England, but still Ireland had Claim s ought not to be paiscd over. .. After some further conversation, Sir J. SHELLEY said that the Government ought either to withdraw the bill altogether, or else take further time for consideration. He objected strongly to the scrambling way in which the question had been dealt with. Sir G. LEWIS could not admit that the Government had trifled with the subject, for they had gone on a well-defined principle, and they did not ask for any time for considerar tion. Mr. SLANEY thought that the question was essentially an English one, and whatever he might think of the P 1441 18 of the Scotch or Irish members, he could not, on the pre- 1 _ sent occasion, take these into consideration, and he trusted that Government would proceed with their proposal, and not consent to delay. Mr. C. BRUCE thought that they ought not to report progress, but that one of the seats should be given to Birk enhead. He protested against the motion that these four seats cou'd be assigned only to English constituencies. Lord J. RUSSELL said, that though additional mem bers were given at the time of the Reform Bill to Scotland and to Ireland, it did not follow that they should on every occasion disturb the proportion of members allotted to each portion of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ire land. The motion for reporting progress was negatived without a division. On the question that clause 4 stand part of the bill the committee divided Ayes 163 Noes Majority in favour of the clause —137 The remaining clauses were then agreed to. Sir F. GOLDSMID did not see the fairness of giving all the four members to one part of the c , . •untry, and should, at a future stage, call attention to the case of the London University. Mr. AYRTON said he should, on the bringing up of the report, move the recommittal of the bill. Mr. STIRLING gave notice that, on the report, he should state the claims of the Universities of Scotland. The preamble was then agreed to, and the house re sumed. COUNTY SURVEYORS, &c. (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion for going into committee on this bill, Mr. SCULLY:suggested that the best course would be to have a select committee to inquire into the principle of the bill, and moved that the bill be read a third time that day three months. Mr. ST. GEORGE said that he had received from his constituents numerous strong expressions of dissent with respect to the bill, and supported the amendment. Lord J. BROWNE, as one of the Irish members who had recommended the introduction of the bill, thought that the salaries at present given to the county surveyors were not adequate pay for their services. The salary was nomi nally £3OO a-year, but the travelling expenses were at least one-third of that sum. The objection which had been urged against the bill, that no taxation ought to be levied upon Ireland until first sanctioned by the presentment cess, he admitted had some weight, and was deserving of consi deration. It was not c•rrect to state that the bill proposed to double the salaries of all surveyors, as the proposal would only:be applicable to a small portion of the Irish counties. He regretted the opposition to the bill, became the measure carried out the recommendations of a committee which sat • upon the subject. Sir E. GROGAN said the question was whether the bill was one in the right direction. He thought it was not. The question required great consideration, with the view of having competent surveyors in every county, devoting their time to the duties of their office, and not appoint ing delegates to work for them. Mr. HERBERT said that a large majority of the Irish members had signed a requisition to the Secretary for Ire land praying him to bring in the present bill. There had been a:searching investigation into the subject in the year 1857, and there was not a single clause in the bill which had not been recommended by the committee who sat upon that occasion. Any postponement of the measure would be doing an act of great injustice to a very deserving body of men. After some remarks from Mr. BUTT, Mr. B. OSBORNE said that, as a cess payer, he objet• ted to the Government proposal, and could not in any way agree with the argument of the honourable member for Youghal, which appeared to him to establish all the objec tions to the principle of the bill. The measure would open a rich door for the increase of taxation. He hoped and trusted that the house would not get into committee on the bill, but would at once reject it. He objected to the appointment and superannuation of sur veyors by the Lord-Lieutenant, and hoped the house would not allow the bill to go into committee. Mr. CARD WELL said that though the bill had met with more opposition than he expected, yet the support which it had received showed that it had not been intro duced in defiance of the feelings of the people of Ireland. In 1857 a committee had inquired into the subject of county surveyors in Ireland, but the bill now before the house was intended to carry the report of the committee into effect. That committee came to the conclusion that the salaries of surveyors should be increased, and that they should be entitled to superannuation allowances. A memorial nu merously signed by Irish members, had been sent to him on the subject, and a large majority of the grand juries of Ire land had declared themselves in favour of the bill, while not one petition had been presented against it. The inten tion of the Government was to pass this bill as it stood, but he should be ready in committee to listen to any sugges tions on the-sul ject. (Hear, hear.) After some further discussion, The house divided, when the numbers wet e-- Ayes Noes 59 Majority The house then went into committee on this bill. (manse Ito 3 were agreed to. On the motion to agree to clause 4, which gave power to increase the salaries of the county surveyors, Mr. HASSAItD moved to insert the words "from time to time," in order to give the grand juries power to revise the clause at different periods. Some discussion ensued upon the amendment. The amendment was negatived without a division. Mr. B. OSBORNE moved the addition of a proviso, to the effect that the application for the increase of salary should be made, in the first instance,lo the presentment sessions. Some discussion followed, in which Lord Naas, Mr. Butt, Mr. M‘Mahon, Mr. Monsell, Mr. Scully, Lord C. Hamilton, and other members took part. Ultimately a division was taken, when the numbers were— For the amendment 5l Against Majority.. A motion was then made that the Chairman report pro gress, and the committee divided, when the numbers were— For reporting progress 24 Against Majority The discussion was accordingly continued, and various verbal amendments were agreed to, when another division was taken on the question of adjourning the discussion, when the numbers were— For adjournment . . Against 59 Majority —3B Some further conversation ensued, and it was agreed that the Chairman report progress. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at half-past two o'clock. 2111 S Ind Y'S SILIPPLVG. LONDON, Juno 18.—Wind this day at noon, Easterly; moderato breeze, and fine, clear weather. CLYDE, June FT.—Wind S.E.—Arrived—City of Madras, from Calcutta and London ; 'Majesty, from Cal cutta. DENT., June 17.—Wind N.E.—Arrived—Empire, from New York; Anna, from the River, and sailed for Deme rara; Richmond, fiom the River, and sailed for Halifax. DARTMOUTIE, June 16.—Wind S.E.—Arrived—Jane, from. Huelva for Newcastle. OFF PORTSMOUTH, June 17.—Wind S.E.—Arrived— Southampt:n, from New York. (EY .ELECTLIC TELEGRAPH.) SOUTHAMPTON, Tuesday Morning. Arrived—Mammonia, steamer, from Hamburg; Finden, from Gottenburg. Sailed—Cl emence, f or Ch er b ourg, Argyll, steamer, for Carentan. Orr StBMARINE AND MAGWETIC TELEGRAPH.) Arri ve d GRAVESEND, Tuesday Morning. from H avre. 18 —Constance, from Dantziz; Boreal, Sailed —Tier Majest DEAL ' Tuesday Morning. Y's ships Edgar, Trafalgar, and Hero. CREMORNE.—Leotard appeared at these gardens for the fi rs t t i me last nii;ht, and attracted a large company .1.1 A passed from trapeze t o t rapeze with celerity and ease, and seemed at times literally .suspeuded i u the air. During the evening a diuwing-roo . nr entert a i nment was introduced en titled " A Peep at.,Llff,,," in which Mrs, '1:,0,, tanat us; or, th e M ag i c waite and Mr. Sam I loborn s and Miss Garth- t uatained th e principal parts r creditably. The *Het of Goodness, g i ven for tile first time, Yonder and the Fairy was also well sustained, i THE SUN, LONDON,' TUESDAY EVENING; JUNE 18, 1861. THAMES EMBANIMENT. Yesterday the commissioners reassembled for the purpose of ascertaining the views of those railway , companies, with reference to the proposed embank ment, where it is intended to carry the railways across the river by bridges, that will abut on the embankment, as well as to take the views of the Benehers of the Inner and Middlo Temple on the matter. The LORD MAYOR said it was important that the railway companies and other interests should know the extent to which the intended embankment would be carried out into the river. The commis sioners had fully discussed the matter, and had come to the conclusion that the outer edge of the embankment would be 130 feet from the face of the existing abutment of Blackfriars-bridge. The Bridge House Estates Committee were now having designs made for the new bridge at Blackfriars, and would consequently have to adopt this datum Line in connexion with the engineering designs tor that structure. With regard to the level at which the embankment and the railways would have to join, it would have to be determined and governed by the level of the new Blackfriars-bridge itself. Then, as regarded the embankment at Hungerford bridge, the idea of the commissioners was to expel all the water there and to carry a solid embank ment over its whole width, as far out into the river as the existing pier at Hungerford-bridge, between which and the general line of the shore there would be something like 300 feet. Mr. HAWKSHAW said that on behalf of the Charing-cross Railway Company he had, as re garded the bridge and proposed station at Hunger ford, been acting on the supposition that the embankment would be extended to the pier. If the proposed embankment could only be made simul taneously with the railways and bridges over the Thames it would be a great advantage and conve nience, but he was afraid the embankment would be so long about that this could not be accomplished. The railway company was at work new. In carry ing out the Charing cross Railway•bridge, he pro posed to give three spans of openings of 100 feet over that portion of the river to be devoted to the embankment. He was of opinion that there would be an objection to making an inclined road from the embankment, terminating on the edge of the bridge, as it would prevent the road from being extended, under the bridge, and would disfigure Blackfriars bridge. Mr. CUBITT, on the part of the London, Chatham, and Dover Railway, intimated that the points ad verted to by the commissioners should receive con sideration in connection with the works of that railway. Mr. NELSON, for the Ben chers of the Middle Temple, sa id that, while objecting to any embank ment, the T emplars, if it were an unavoidable public necessity, would w i s h i t to b e on as l ow a level as possible, with out a railway, and not to rise above y the level of the gardens. The LORD IVIAYoR said the probability was that the embankment would begin to rise before it left the Temple -gardens, but not for any great distance, possibly 100 yards, or it might be 30 or 40 yards, so as to give as much headway as could be conveni ently obtained for the wharves, City Gas-works, and other establishments. Mr. YEATES said that at a meeting of the Benchers just held it had been resolved ; "1. That the construction and maintenance of a public thoroughfare along the Thames passing in front of the Temple, in whatever way it may be carried out, will most injuriously affect the property of the society. "2. That if hereafter Parliament should sanction any such scheme, the least objectionable mode of carrying it out would be to carry it on the lowest possible level, and at the greatest possible distance from the present river frontage. "3. That the continuation of a railway with the road was unnecessary, not required by the public, and would greatly tend to increase the injury to and depreciation of the Temple property. "4. That, should the scheme to be adopted be such as to leave any space between the present river wall of the Inner Temple-gardens and the proposed new road, such space should not bo appropriated to docks or other public purpose, but should be dealt with as the property of the society, in the manner most advantageous to its interests." Mr. GRAY, for the City Gas Company, said that the proposed embankment would not be objection able, provided their works had a waterway of 70 feet and a 7-feet headway for access in and out. The Commissioners then adjourned. A NIGH? IN LONDON WITH THE LATE COUR 7' CAVOUR. It is admitted on all hands, evdn by those who detest the very sound of his name, that Europe has lost a very great man in the late Count Cavour. The indecent manifestations that have been at tempted by the reactionists to evince their joy at, his untimely death are perhaps the best proofs of the estimation in which his talents and de termination were held. There can be no ques tion that for very, very many years, no man's death has created so profound a sen sation, and, therefore, any incidents connected with his career will be read with interest. During Count Cavour's last residence in England the writer of these reraarks had the honour of being his com panion for ten days, during which period he accom panied him in his pursuit of information as to the character of the different classes with which the me tropolis abounds. Count Cavour appeared to have this peculiarity, viz., that nothing was too great for his inquiring mind, and nothing too little for his inves tigation. He would not dip deep into everything, He would not recognise a fact merely, but would understand how that fact was produced. He was to all intents and purposes a great admirer of the prin ciple of cause and effect. To give him evasive answers was needless. He would go to the root of the sub ject. At the period referred to he was anxious to ascertain how far the sanitary question, then in high favour, worked ; and whether the Public Health Act, the Nuisance Removal and Disease Prevention Act, and the Common Lodging Houses Act worked successfully. He determined to test them practically. For instance, he visited the Model Lodging Houses and the dwellings belonging to the Metropolitan Association during the day time and at night, and he was delighted with all he witnessed. But this did not suffice. He wanted the contrast, however, and wished to place in juxta-position the condition of the working classes under the new system and those who lived under the old. He was much, as are all foreigners, struck with the evidences of immense wealth that meet the eye in the leading thorough fares of the metropolis, and in the aristocratic regions of Belgravia and Tyburnia. From his position in life he had the entree into the mansions of the highest and wealthiest in the land. He saw how they lived and were housed, and he desired to ascertain how the poor were provided for in the metropolis. Various plans, were proposed to afford him this in sight, until at length he'suggested a midnight visit to the very worst and very poorest districts of Lon don. He said he wanted to judge for himself what really was the position of the mass of the people of this great city. Hitherto, he remarked, " I have seen the outside of London, I should now like to see the inside." Arrangements were accordingly made with the Metropolitan Commissioners of Po:ice, who placed three of their best officers at his dis posal, and who made arrangements by which he could visit the worst districts of the metropolis without any personal danger. A party of five started one evening, about nine o'clock, under the guidance of a most intelligent inspector of the police force, and about half-past ten found them selves in the worst part of Bethnal Green. Their first halting place was a low public-house in a narrow street. The inspector said, "This is one of the worst houses in the metropolis; it is a notorious house of call far burglars." On the entry of the party the landlord recognised the inspector, and asked sotto voce," Who do you want to-night ?" Assurances were given that no mischief was in tended, and after some conversation between the officers and the keeper of the den of thieves, Count Cavour and his party were admitted to an upper room, in which, at a sort of free and easy, were seen some twenty men, all of whom had beep convicted as felons. The chairman had only two days before come out of prison, and had the unmistakeable prison crop. The door on entry was immediately bolted, and a dead silence ensued, because every man there knew the inspector, and believed that he had come prepared for immediate action. When, however, it was known that no one was just then "wanted," and as the party were prepared to stand brandy and water all round, their bashfulness wore off, and the count was entertained with songs more graphic than moral, and by one or two glove fights, which seemed to amuse him much. From thence the party wended their way through many scenes which it would not be advisable to describe, until they arrived at Shad well and Wapping. It was then verging on twelve o'clock, and the different penny gaffs and dancing saloons in this infamous neighbourhood were each in their turn visited. Count Cavour was much struck with the beauty of many of the unfortunate class of females who frequent these places. Many of them were magnificently dressed, and would have cast in the shade the best of the class who infest the west end of London. Their prey is " poor Jack." A few hours' indulgence in one of these haunts but too often costs him the savings and arrears of pay for three or four years. These women look down with contempt upon any one who does not carry about him the characteristics of a seaman. In one of these places Count Cavour was oo fascinated with the beauty of some of the females that it was difficult to get him away, and strange as it may seem, it is no less a fact, that during the visit in question there was no more impropriety exhibited in these dancing rooms than in an ordinary public ball room. It would occupy too much space to detail all that was wit nessed on that memorable night, but suffice it to say that, having seen all that was to be witnessed in this " high life below stairs," Count Cavoar wished to see how the very poor word housed and where they slept—that countless horde that come from we know not where when any great occasion, festival, or fire occurs. At the period referred to, the Common Lodging-house Act had hardly fairly come into operation ; some houses were registered, but the majority were not. The houses registered were visited first, and in these there were some sem blances of decency preserved. Married people were screened off from the single, and the division of the sex was enforced. There was also compa rative cleanliness and some attempt at ventilation. Count Cavour remarked, " After all, this is not as bad as I anticipated." " Wait," said the Inspector, " until you go into the house in the next court, and then I think you will be surprised." And surprised and horrified he was. The keeper of the lodging house at first seemed disposed to prevent an entry ; but the well-known face of the officer soon overcame all opposition. The party went upeuch a staircase as, we believe, caw only be found in Whitechapel. On the landing was an indescribable obstacle, of which Count Cavour, who did not see very well, had practical experience. The door of the common room was then thrown open, and in a space repre sented by 20ft. by 14ft. were counted no less than 33 men and women, the majority of them without garments or covering of any kind, lying indiscrimi nately OR the floor on some sacking. To economise space these poor wretches laid in such a manner that the feet of the one was under the armpits of the other. Words are inadequate to convey an idea of the horrors of the scene, or of the frightful effluvia that met one on entering the room. The walls were dripping with the condensed breath of these poor wretches. On the exit Count Cavour remarked, " You ma y talk of the dirtiness of Italians and the filth of the Lazaroni of Naples, but, believe me, all Italy could mot allow you such A sight as we have just witnessed." This new aspect of the metropolitan poor seemed to strike him im mensely. He could hardly comprehend how, in the greatest and wealthiest city in the civilised world, such a state of things could exist. To him it seemed an enigma, that England, which boasted of being the most civilised nation in the world, could permit such a state of things to exist. Had he been spared to Italy that scene in White chapel would not have been lost; that night's wan dering would have possibly been productive of great results. One would have thought that what he had just witnessed would have sufficed him, but it was not so; he wanted to see where les voleurs lived, and the police were ready to oblige him. The party were taken to a remarkably clean-looking lodging house in Bishopsgate. On the entry of the police the landlord turned pale, and on being informed of the nature of the visit he was all smiles. The in spector informed the Count that this was one of the most notorious sleeping dens in London. On going upstairs not more than five or six men and boys were in bed. The rooms were clean and airy con sidering the locality. One notorious pickpocket was unconcernedly cooking his supper, and looked defiance at the police. On Count Cavour remarking on there being so few of the beds occupied, the landlord, with a quiet smile, said " Oh, sir, they have not come home from work." And, on being asked for an explanation, he stated that the majo rity of his lodgers were at the West End, attending the theatres. It was now verging on two o'clock, and all but Count Cavour were anxious to break off in Bishopsgate. But he had not seen half enough. A consultation was held, and it was determined to visit the purlieus of Smithfield and Field-lane, and to terminate our labours in St. Giles's. All this was duly performed, and when at five o'clock in the morning the party sat down to a sort of half supper half breakfast, they scarcely knew themselves. They were begrimed with dirt, and their garments were infested with strangers that rendered it ad visable not to use them again. They separated at six a.m., tired and fagged. The writer had made an appointment with Count Cavour at eight the same morning some days previously. Unfortunately he forgot it, being overcome with fatigue, but the count was there to the moment, and was very angry that the same punctuality had not been observed by his conzpagnon de voyage. One more incident about the late count, and we have done. He was desirous of seeing Messrs. Barclay and Perkins' monster brew ery, and the sturdy draymen who flogged Marshal Haynau. He was delighted with all he saw, and gladly accepted the different kinds of malt liquor that were proffered. He began with mild porter, and went up to the strongest stout; then renewed the attack on mild ale, and finished with X X XX. All went well enough whilst he was in the cool vaults, but, like many other people who have gone over this remarkable brewery, when he came into the open air he saw three or four broughams in stead of one. As a companion Count Cavour was delightful. Full of humour and anecdote he caused the time to pass lightly and pleasantly; and although possessed of deep learning he never paraded it, but seemed as if he were only desirous of acquiring information instead of imparting it. Few at the period referred to had any idea of the depth of his understanding, or of the indomitable perseverance of character that in after years he displayed. Perhaps even he him self was unaware of how much sterling worth there was in him, and it was only as the stirring events occurred that it became apparent. However ambi tious, he could hardly have hoped that what he so desired and was working for would be brought about in comparatively so short a time. The mid night visitor to the haunts of the wretched in the metropolis could hardly have believed, if any one had told him, that ere long he was destined to hold one of the most prominent positions in Europe, and that he should be cut off in the zonith of his glory. —Examiner. THE MfSTERIOUS MURDER AT KINGS WOOD RECTORY. REIGATE, MONDAY NIGIIT. Up to this morning the police authorities enter tained confident hopes that they would be enabled to . secure the apprehension of the perpetrators of this barbarous murder by tho aid of the extraordi nary evidence which fell into their possession by the discovery of a highly important packet of papers accidentally dropped by the murderers before they left the Rev. Mr. Taylor's house. Their secret machinery having failed, the police now appeal to the public, through the medium of the press, to assist them in their endeavours to bring the guilty parties to justice. With this view the reporter has been made acquainted with the precise nature of the contents of the documents referred to, with a request to publish only those portions which were previously withheld under the impression that their publication would be unadvisable, as tending to inform the mur derers of the movements of the police. It is now hoped that the public will carefully peruse the de scriptions given of the murderers, and that conse quently they will soon be apprehended. It may, therefore, at once be stated that among the papers referred to was a book with which each working German is provided by order of the State, and in which he is minutely described by name, age, height, complexion, marks on person, &c., for the purpose of keeping a proper record of the movements of the individual. Upon going into any service this book has to be produced, and the employer then inserts his name, occupation, resi dence, and other particulars respecting himself, as well as the date at which the engagement com menced, when it terminated, and the conduct of the employe during the period of such service. By this book it appeared that the owner was named Johann Carl Franz, of Konigstein, in the kingdom of Saxony ' he was 25 years of age, and of middl e height, he had light brown hair cut short, and no whiskers, brown eyes, and no distinguishing marks about his person. He was last in the employment of Wilheim Gotthelf Biemer, timber merchant, as a raftsman, and was discharged on the 19th April last, having only Cledhis engage ment for ten days. In the book was the register of his birth, which was fixed as having taken place in 1835, and another certificate showed that he was the illegitimate son of a soldier named Gotlaib, and that he himself had entered the army, but was dis charged from the recruiting depot in April, 1855, as being unfit for a soldier. There were also several letters in the book. They were all written in the German language, and the following was addressed to Madlle. Tietjens, the eminent singer : " London, June 4, 1861. "Honoured Madam,—You will kindly excuse a poor German, who solicits your kindness. lam a native of Breslau, in Silesia, and am by profession a horn turner. I have recently worked in Hamburg, where, business becom ing slack, I was recommended to go to England, work being well paid in that country. I have been already five weeks here, and unfortunately am unable to procure work, as I can't speak English. I find myself in London in the greatest want, as I am entirely without means, and have already sold my best clothing. lam longing to get back again to Germany, as I h ave no prospec t s h ere. I h ave b een inormed that your ladyship is one of great compassion, and that you will assist a poor German. " In expectation of the successful result of this applica tion, I remain, with the greatest respect, yours humbly, "ADOLPHE KROHN." - _ Madlle. Tietjen's answer to the y above was also found in the book. It was dated from that lady's residence at St. John's-wood, on the 7th June last, and was addressed to Mr. Krool, the proprietor of the Hamburg Hotel, America-square, City. She ex• pressed her deep sympathy with the bearer, re ferred to his privations, and requested Mr. Krool to carry out what she conceived to be the most beneficial scheme for his welfare, viz., procuring for him, on her behalf, a passage to Hamburg by the first opportunity. She promised at the same time to defray all expenses, and urged Mr. Krool to take the necessary steps for the comfort of the unfortu nate p ers on immediately on receiving her commu nication. Mr. Superintendent Coward, with Sergeant Robinson, have waited upon Madlle. Tietjens. She at once identified her own letter, which was shown her by the officers, and stated that a young man called upon her and made a verbal application for assistance. He mentioned all the circumstances referred to in the above letter, which was shown to her, and added that he had slept two nights in the streets, and had no means to procure either food or bed. Commiserating his position, but not wishing to give him money, as she was waited upon by so many similar applicants, she penned the let ter which the officers produced, requesting M r . Krool to send the young man over to his native country. Mdlle. Tietjens was then requestee to give a description of the person in question. She said he was a young man, app arently about 21 years of age, about sft. 4in. or sft. sin in stature; had black curly hair, Was of dark • ark com plexion, had no whiskers or beard, and seemed never to have been shaved; he was dressed in a dark cloth coat and trouse rs , and had on a common blue striped shirt with a turned-dow n collar and a black neck tie. It also transpired at this interview that Mdlle. Tietjens' mother, on Tuesday morning last (about the time the murder was discovered), proceeded to America-square for the purpose of re compensing Mr. Krool in the sum he had paid in providing the passage to Hamburg for the person sent with the letter by her daughter. Mr. Krool expressed his ignorance of any such letter, and said that no one at all had waited upon him with any such request. The officers have also waited upon Mr. Krool, and he makes the same statement. It is clear, therefore, that the application to Mdlle. Tietjens was only made in the hope of procuring money, and that the - wish to return to Germany was fictitious. No doubt the party upon receiving the letter opened it immediately, found the contents were opposed to his wishes and expectations, and determined at any rate to postpone, for a time at least, putting it to any practical use. The application to Mdlle. Tietjens for the assis tance took place on the Friday prior to the murder on Monday night, and as two men, answering in every particular the descriptions contained in the book and that given to the officers by the lady in question, were seen in the neighbourhood of Kings wood on Friday evening it is clear that soon after the receipt of the letter, they must have left town and have proceeded to the locality indicated. The police, entertaining no doubt that the person referred to in the book, and the other, whose name was signed to the letter, were the perpetrators of the murder, their full descriptions were circulated throughout the country, and on Saturday evening a young man, a foreigner, bearing a close resemblance to one of them, entered a public-house in the village of Ripley, six miles from Guildford. He called for some re freshment, and while it was being prepared, the landlord, feeling confident that he was one of the probable murderers, sent for a police constable. Ant officer of the name of King soon arrived, sat down by the side of the person in question, and entered into conversation with him. Shortly after, much to the consternation of the individual, he was in formed by the constable that he must consider him self in custody as being concerned in the murder of Martha Halliday, of Kingswood Rectory. He said the officer was mistaken, as he knew nothing what ever about it, and expressed his willingness to go, with him wherever he liked to take him. He was then taken over to Guildford, and kept in close cus tody until this morning, when he was brought to Reigate byMr. Superintendent Parr, of the Surrey Constabulary, and lodged at the station. Upon being searched, only fourpence was found upon 4im. He said that he had come from Portsmouth, as could be at once ascertained at that place, and had walked to the place where he was apprehended, on his way to Brighton. Immediately after his apprehension the persons who bad seen the strange men about Kingswood, and the policeman who had met the same persons at Sutton at a quarter to two on last Tuesday morning, were brought over to this place for the purpose of proving the identification of the accused. He was placed amongst several other persons, and none of the witnesses could recognise him as either of the two men they had seen. Still, as a matter of course, he was taken at eleven o'clock this morning, before William Street, Esq., one of the local magistrates, and after Superinten dent Parr had expressed his opinion that he was not one of the guilty persons, he was at once dis charged. He was supplied with sufficient money to pay his fare to London where he wished to go. He was very little disconcerted at the peculiar posi tion in which he found himself, and promised that when he got to town he would endeavour to his utmost to trace the murderers, and if successful to furnish information to the police. He afterwards rendered essential service to the police by giving; them a literal translation of all the documents width the murderers had left behind them. Of course, as the result proved his innocence, it would be unfair to mention his name, but it transpired that be was a native of Dantsio, was a clerk, 2G years of age, and of superior education. No blame can be attached to the officer for effecting the apprehension, as his resemblance to the description of Franz was very close. COUNTRY MARKETS. COLCHESTER —JUNE 15. A fair supply of wheat. Trade very dull, :thcl 2s per qr cheaper to make sales. Beans and barley 'meet with little demand. Peas inquired for at the prices, of last week. Wheat, white s6s to 62s Beans, Tilazagan..36: to 42s red 448 to 56s I Middl e & small 38s to 44s Barley —s to —s I White peas 44.. to 488 Oats —s to —s Grey.. 38s to 449 CHELMSFOE A very fair supply of whel Best wheats again receded qualities from is to 2s per qr. duction very little business d , same, if any change, the to Wheat, white....32s to 63s .1 1 —JuNE 14. At, but indifferent in quality. is per qr on last week ; inferior cheaper, and oven at that re loing. Spring corn about the rn lower. Peas, Partridge 44s to 45; White 43s to 46s Boiling 43s to 47s Dun 4os to 43s Beans, Tick 393 to 483 Harrow Ticks 39s to 503 Mazagan 33s to 453 red 41s to 60s Barley 29s to 428 Chevalier 32s to 45s Grinding 26s to 37s Malt' 61s to 67s Chevalier Cis to 69s Oats 26s to 31s STAMFORD—JUNE 15. There was a middling show of wheat at market, and trade ruled quiet at former prices. Barley slow, and late rates were nit exceeded. Oats and other articles in small de mand. Wheat 50s to 60s I Oats.. 24 s t o 32s White do 60 s t o 64s I Beans 46s to 50s Barley 2Bs to 42s I Ditto, old ........50s to 54s KIRKALDY—JuNE 15. A very small supply of grain to-day, and sales slow. Wheat is to 2s and oats is lower. Wheat f Barley Oats First.... 36s Od 303 Od 26s Od Second.. 52s Od 36s Od 29s Od Third .. 58s Od I—a Od 32s Od [A- _DVERTISEMENT.I—Wo have read with much pleasure Du Barry's report of the cures without medicine by Du Barry's food. The following are a few extracts which ap pear to merit the attention of many :—Cure No. 47,121. " Miss Elizabeth Jacobs, of Nazing Vicarage, Waltham cross, Herts • a cure of extre me nervousness, indigestion, gatherings, few spirits, and nervous fancies. " Cure Ne. 48,314.—" Miss Elizabeth Yeoman, Gateacre, near Liver pool ; a cure of ten y ears d yspepsia and all the horrors of nervous irritability." Cure No. 54,812 —Miss Virginia Zeguers, cured of consumption, after medical advisers had abandoned all hopes of recovery. Cure No. 51,514, Baron de Polentz, Prefect of Langenau, of many years horrible sufferings of the nerves and an obstinate liver complaint for which the German spas had been tried in vain for years. Cure No, 48,721, General Baron de Zaluskowski, of many years fearful disorders of the digestive functions. Avoid Pills and Medicines : they invariably aggravate a nd perpetuate diseases ; their annoyance, disappointment ! and expense may be avoided by using Du Barry's Food which, at a few pence per day, saves 50 times its cost in other remedies, removing effectually, without purging 2 constipation, indigestion (dyspepsia) nervous, bilio us an d liver complaints and all their consequences. Certificate No. 36,418. We find it the safest remedy. Andrew Tire ! MD., F.R.S., Dr Harvey, Dr. Wurzer, Dr. Shorland, Dr. Campell. Let invalids avoid the fearful dangers of spu rious and injurious imitations offered under a variety of false pretences. Nevill's imitations are prohibited by the high Court of Chancery under a penalty of £5,000 against Alfred Hooper Nevill and his agents ; and the pretences that Nevill has a patent for Arabica Food and that Du Barry's are connected with such patent are utterly falie• No canister is genuine without the name Barry Du Barry and Co., 77, Regent-street, in full, ontheseal and wrapper. Shopkeepers who attempt imposition in one article m ust expect to be distrusted in all others. Packed in tins lib. 2s. 9d.; 21b. 4s. 61. ; 51b. lls. ; 121 b. 225. ; 241 b. 40s. The 121 b. and 241 b. canisters are sent carriage free on rece ipt of Post-office order by Barry Du Barry and Co., 77, Re' gent-street, London; 'ortnum Mason, and Co. ; Abbiso 60, Gracechurch-street ; 4, Cheapside ; 63 and 150, Ox bard-street ; 330 and 451, Strand; 49 and 60, Bishopsgale: street ; Batty, 16, Finsbury P avemen t ; Philli ps an d u tea-dealers; Petty, Wood, and Co., King William-street City ; at 127 HighHolborn; and a ll eronerr , [ADVERTISEMENT.]—HoIIoway's Ointment of t s reakens th e a nd Woman's Trials.—N o thi ng so systematically function. human constitution as th e suspens i on any ' their brothers daughters sh oul at d pay tthat at particulartie when attentionTnheeg lcommencementeet o w t ihlle inevitably health o o f f produce constitutional debility. this of ee rtaia derangement nervou is symptoms, usuallydi sc overed uwi b b y biel t d h gt e rwa d id e cu v es e a l l o lyd p a m yp ns e ao n s t away if Holloway' s Oi ntmen t be the a b te ac d k os a e n s d . abdomen, a w tm h e il n st t hsaisfePlyillesarrreeettaskeevneirny afpopurloty prifunction. Th e mos t o b s tinate cases cannot not long resist the these wholesome and restorative powers of active remedies if used with perseverance, and assisted by proper diet and moderate out-of door exercise. BIRTHS. HALBTED.—On the 14th inst., at Bl ac k heath, the wife of Captain G. A. Halsted, R.N., of a SOIL MOSTYN.—On Mrs. Most the yn, of a 16th inst son.., at 93, E a t on-square, the Hon. M WARD.— MrOn the 13th tW instard., at Birr B arracks, Ireland, the Hon. s. Somerse, Of a daughter. MA 1414 1 AGE S GIDEIN—BEviLL.—On th e 15th inst., at St. Mary's, Marylebone, Henry Gilpin, Es., , t Mar Christiana, on l y daughter of Charles o g Esq./ ofaret 8' Gloucester -place, P ortman -square, W. WALKEIt—MORELAND.—On the 13th inst., at St. Paul's, Ball's -pond, Samuel, eldest son of Hery G. Walk°rd Esq., of Stoke Newington -green, to Emily, the neon daughter of Joseph Moreland, Esq., of Old-street. DEATHS. ALLEN. —On the 14th inst., at 9, Forest-place, Leyton stone, James Edward Allen, Esq., of 87, Great Tower street, aged 62. DENISON.—On the 12th ult., at Coonoor, Neilgheiries, Mary, eldest daughter of Sir William Denison, K.C.8., Governor of Madras. FLETcHER.—On the 11th inst., Howard Fletcher, Esq., of Springhill House, Walsall, Staffordshire, aged 61. JAMES.—On the 16th inst., John James, Esq., of The Shrubbery, Holybourne, Hants, formerly of the Admi ralty, Somerset House, aged 69. LIDGETT.—On the 17th inst., at Blackheath, John Lidgettf Esq , of 9 ; Billiter-street, city, and Tunbridge-wells , aged 61, LONDON : Printed and Published by 3IURDO YOUNG, o f No. 112, Strand, Printer, at TUE SUN Office, No. 112,Strand , in the Precinct of the Savoy, in the County .01 Middlel /e% Tuesday, June 18, 16431.