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PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, THURSDAY, MARCTI 31. Prayers were read by the ishop of CHESTER, nt 10 o'clock; after which, the lAORD CHANCELLOR proceeded with Appeals —The Peers present being the Duke of Athol, the Earl of Courtown, and Lord Ellenborough. the appeal of " Godfrey v. Parkhurst," from •the Court of Exchequer, was to-day heard out, but judgment was deferred to ariether day. ROYAL. ASSENT. . At about a quarter to fonr o'clock, the LoRD Hw&i CHAW CELLOR, the Lord Chairman of Committees, and the First Lord of the Admiralty, sat robed as Lords Commissioners for wing his Majesty's assent to certain BiPs agreed upon by both .fkuses of Parliament ; and the Yeoman Usher of the Black frAI was directed to require the attendance of the other House. Lady Tyneham and her daughter were present, and were re markable as being the only females to witness the assenting ceremonial. The SPEAKER, with a very few Members from the Commons,• new approached their Lordship' Bar, when the Commission {which was dated this day) was read, and the Cierks of the Jlouse were directed to pass the following Bills :—The Consoli dated Fund Surplus Application Bill, the Wine Duties Reduc lich Bill, the Weights and Measures Fine Extension Bill, the g.;aledonian Canal Act Amendment Bill, the Scotch Creditors' Recovery Bill, the Ireland Judicial Inquiry Bill, the Manches ter and Bolton Railway Road Bill, the Stourbridge and Mar. gate Imi r ye nent Bills, the Stockport Gas Light Bill, several Road Bills, some Inclosure Bills, and Baring's and Graeme's Divorce Bills.—Adjourned to unrobe. At abcut ten minutes past four o'clock the Lord Chancellor took his seat. MESSAGES FROM THE COMMONS. Mr. BRoODEN, and others, brought up a Message, request ing eitir Lordships to communicate the Minutes of the Evi .I}YTICC taken before the Select Committee, both during the last ;-1 - .d present- s -;on, to the Commons' House. T. e L RD CiIAYiELLOR (the Commons' Deputation having withurawn) announced that their Lordships would send an answer by messengers of their own. Mr. BROGDEN than brought up the Ireland County Trea surers Bill, the Score) :Mei-ill's Court Fees Bill, the Ireland Grand Jury presentments Act Amendment Bill, and some Pri . Te.'..a Bills, which were afterwards read a first time. JUDGMENTS IN APPEALS. The LORD (:IIA NC E L LOR—I wish, my' Lords, just to e 11 the attention of your Lordships to the state of Appeals to this House, as far as lam concerned in them. I shall, ❑pon the first two days after the recess, move your Lordships to fix the precise days upon which I am to give judgment in cases in which I alone am concerned. With respect to others, in which a-Noble and Learned Lord (Redesdale) is concerned with my self, I can say nothing till his arrival in town. EASTER RECESS._ The Earl of LIVERPOOL—My Lords, 1 move, that this House do now adjourn to Wednesday the 13th of April. Adjourned at Half-past Five o'clock, to Wednesday sell niibt at Ten in the morning. HOUSE OF COMMONS. -At a little before tour 6 clocic the Usher of .the Black 'Rod summoned the House to tic House of Peers, to hear the Royal assent given by commission to the sev::ral bills. On his return, the SPEAKER mentioned the nammof the hills which had received the'Royal Assent—(for which see the Lords' report.) Lord LOWTHER presented a petition from the Merchants and Traders of Carlisle, for the repeal of the duties on receipts for money. The East India Judges' Bill went through a Committee, was reported, and ordered to be taken into further connideration on the 18th of April. The Innkeepers' Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on the 14th of April. The New Street Act Amendment Bill was read a second time, and 1-C:erred to a Select Committee. _ His Majesty's Property Bill was read a second time, and or dared to be committed. ADJOURNMENT FOR THETIOLYDAYS, moved that the House at its rising do adjourn to that day fortnight.—Ordered. Mr. CALCRAFT wished to know whether the whole . of the evidence taken betbre the Committees on the state of Ireland would be ready by that day. Mr. C. W. WYNN said that the necessary steps had been taken to ensure the delivery of the evidence soon after the holidays. On the motion of Mr. II umt, there was ordered to be laid before the House a return of the several sums of money which had been appropriated to the building and repairs of Lyme Regis harbour; also of the tonnage of the 66 vessels which had ta;:.n shelter there in the last three.years. SOCIETY OF APOTHECARIES-. On the motion of Sir J. NEWPORT, there was ordered to be is ,1 before the House a return of the s MS. 0 money expended by the Society of Apothecaries in London, i t support of a bo tanical garden, lectures on materia medico and pharmacy, since the year 1816, distinguishing as far as might be the amount for and in each year. The other Orders of the Day having been gone through, the Bause adjourned to Thursday, the 14th of April. NonTliuNinEr.LAND R.til,wAy.--ft was filially resolved, at a General Meeting at Newcastle-upon-Tyne, on Saturday last, (ANTHONY GILEGSON, Esq. Sheriff of Nor thumberland in the ('hair), that a Rail-road be formed between Newcastle and Carlisle. This Resolution was founded upon a Report of the Committee, which was appointed at a General County Meeting, on the 21st day of August last, " to inquire whether a better communication between Newcastle and Car lisle was practicable, and whether it would be most adviseable to carry it into effect by a Bail-road or a Canal." In the esti iicttion of the Committee, judging from the Reports of Mr. CHAPMAN and Mr. JEssop, the Engineers who surveyed the (h.:trice, a Canal could-noel:a made at a less sum than between nine hundred thousand pounds and a million,—whereas a Rail_ . way might be executed at or under three hundred thousand poands. Such an immense sav'ng, independently df other cir - .cmiistances, naturally led to the determination that has been core to. 'We trust there will be no lack of public spirit to _ n proper encouragement to so mp ‘rtant an undertaking; it ca nnot be questioned, that the nt ended Railway will prove at the greatest. utility both to the landed and commercial hate resta in the Northern part of the Kingdom,—in as much as it w AI, in the language of the Committee), " open a country rich in mineral productions, and tend materially to promote agri culture, manufactures, and commerce." As soon as the Meet was over, subscriptions were entered into to the amount of Deady :19,0001. TYNE SUSPENSION BitIDGF.. numerous seting of the Subscribers to the Chain-Bridge at Shields, was heid at Oyston's Long Room, South Shields, on Thursday the ttth March, GEORGE TOWNSEND Fox, Esq. in the Chair. WM. CHAPMAN Esq. (Banker) spoke at some length, urging these who were friend!) , to the measure to come forth with aiacrity . . As to himself, he would take double the number of shares he originally subscribed fbr—his five should be ten shares.—(Several other Gentlemen did the same.)—From a calculation of the tolls, 1101. 18s. 2d. weekly, nearly 6,0001. per annum, might be expected to arise from the bridge ; and as ow sin Brown had offered to complete the structure for 93,0001.1 the ling was every way encJuraging. The bridge would be of the utmost importance to the towns of North and South Shields, and would, with proper attention, be completed on the basis of its own merits. He therefore earnestly entreated the inhabitants of the two towns to come forward. They did not want the as sistance or the countenance of great men, although such assistance was acceptable enough in the ordinary way of things. Mr. Chapman adverted to the support offered by the Dean and Chapter of Durham, and to the communica tion had with the Corporation of Newcastle, who must first confer with the Board of Admiralty, before any thing decisive coeld be determined upon. Although his Grace the Duke of Northumberland was not a 'Subscriber at present, probably owing to the question of the Navigation not yet being settled, his Grace promised, in case the measure was persevered in, to support it in Parliament.—[Mr. Chapman's Address was much applauded.]—Joss TINLEY, Esq. of North Shields, appealed to the Patriotism of the District to carry into effect a measure which would raise a monument unsurpassed in any country both for its utility and its elegance.—[Mr. T. spoke at some length, and with great ability; we are sorry to be so meagre in. our sketch.] —Thanks being voted to the Chairman, the Meeting was dissolved. .Several additional subscribers have been announced. Amongst others, Messrs. Forster and Jan son have put their names down for 50 shares. It is added, that offers-have been received from an eminent house in Lon don to take the whole of the speculation into its own hands. If the Admiralty and the Corporation of Newcastle-upon- Tyne oppose no obstacles, there can be little doubt of the ac complishment of this grand undertaking. ROSTOCK , M. itch 7.—Our Navigation is again in full activity, and a number of inerchants-vessels are busy in hauling grain. Of oae sort and another we have not less than 43,000 !lists of corn in our warehouses. " A SUI3SCRIBER, AND AIIICUS." FOR THE SUN. MR. EDITOR—I have a high respect for the office of a Public Journalist ; the Editor of a Newspaper, to discharge his duty faithfully, must have considerable historical and political knowledge : he must be well versed in general Science and Literature, and he must make himself acquainted with all the literary, political, and philosophical proceedings of his own day ; end, beside all this, he must have judgment and discrimination to select from the mass of matter under his re view what may be best deserving the public eye. But, Mr. Editor, how is this respect of mine for Public Journalists increased, when I read in your Paper of yesterday, that they are HOUND to give the public INFORMA TION on subjects not on!) , abstruse, but UNINTELLI GIBLE ! In your oracular office, therefore, as explainer of nnintelligibilities, I call on yon, Sir, to explain to me the letter in your Paper of yesterday, which conveys the above information. In the words of that aenigmatical produc tion, " I shall not be satisfied with any evasions or equivoca tions, but a direct explanation of the" letter. As it would occupy too much room to explain the whole com position, I shall, in regard for you, request the explanation of the following points only : I. For what purpose A Subscriber and Amicus counted the number of lines in my letter, and then threw it aside when about Ito answer it ? For this I must conclude he did, for he says it contained " a dozen of lines," and yet he had not the matter before him when he wrote. 11. How any thing which appears in his letter proves that he could have translated the word Amicus ? Does he mean that this is proved by his scrap, "ex debito JustiCiw ?" Does writing bad Latin prove that a man can read good ? 111. What is the meaning of " ex debito justiCim ?" IV. 'Who is "my favourite author Hudibras?" The bio graphy of a learned clerk and doughty knight of that name by Butler, I certainly have read, and, for unintelligibility and English cut on Greek and Latin, Like fustian, heretofore on satin, he was perhaps unequalled, until the days of " A Subscriber and Amicus." But, so far from his being my favourite au thor, I was not aware that any of his works bad reached pos terity. Will " A Subscriber and Amicus" inform me where they are to be procured ? It is evident that he possesses an edition of them himself, since he has quoted them. Some of the lines, I perceive, have been pillaged by Butler ; however, Butler has miserably corrupted his author, who appears, from tkelatter part of the quotation, to have been a prophet no less than a poet, since he foresaw the controversy between " A Subscriber and Amicus" and myself, and recommended, by way of settling it, that I should be shaken in a bag with Mr. Rae Wilson. I protest against the measure. Had I the honour of know ing Mr. Rae Wilson, I should net be solicitous to disclaim it; but I do not know him, nor have I any connection with him whatever; and if he has had recourse to puffing, no one would be more inclined than myself to disapprove that part of his conduct. A Subscriber and Amicus may call me. Hoc if he pleases, for on this question I am perfectly neuto , ; having no prepossessions whatever, except what may arise from gentle manly conduct where the balance certainly is not in favour of A Subscriber and Amiens. I only meddled in the matter on the broad principle that no man should go searching for others' motes till he has expelled his own beams. V. A Subscriber and Amicus would give me Greek, " but that might be worse than Arabic in the Holy Land." Expo sitor of unintelligibilities, what does this mean ? I will give him some, if he pleases— AffflN OE K . E9EAOI ITPOT. KPEIEIONAY. ANTIoPEPIZEIN. Your obedient servant, RO YA 14 NAVY. RATES OF AT PRESENT ESTABLISHED ] HALF PAY 'OR THL NAVY AND MARINES. FLAG OFFICERS. Per diem. Admiral of the Fleet £3 3 0 Admirals - - 2 2 0 Vice Admirals - 1 12 6 Rear ditto - - 1 5 0 CAPTAINS. Per diem. The remainder having served 6 Years in the Navy, two of which as acting or 2nd Master, or as Master's Mate or Mid shipman - 0 5 0 MEDICAL OFFICERS. Physicians—After 10 Years Ser vice - 1 1 0 Ditto after 3 ditto 0 15 0 Under that time 0 10 6 Su . acEoNs. Six Years Service 0 6 0 Under that time ti 5 0 ASSISTANT SURGEONS. Three Years Service 0 3 0 Two Years - 0 2 0 Dispensers - 0 5 V CHAPLAINS. After 8 Years Ser vice at Sea or 10 in Harbour - 0 5 0 For let:s Service, not under three Years, a propor tion of the above. For each Year's longer Service than 8 at Sea or 10 in Harbour, GI per diem ad ditional till it reach. - 0:0 0 To each of the first 100 as they stand on the ge neral Listof Of ficers in Senio rity - 0 14 G To each of the next 150 - 0 12 6 To the rest - 0 10 6 COJIMANDERS. To each of the first 150 on the List - 0 10 0 To the remainder 0 C 6 LIEUTENANTS. To each of the first 300 on the List 0 7 0 To each of the _ _ next 700 - 0 6 0 To the remainder 0 5 0 ROYAL MARINES. Colonels - 0 14 6 Lieutenant Colonels 0 11 0 Majors - 0 9 6 Captains - 0 7 0 First Lieutenants of 7 Years stand. ing - 0 4 6 The rest - 0 4 0 Second Lieute nants - 0 3 0 MASTERS. To the first 100 on the List (being qualified for first or second rates 0 7 0 To the next 2CO (being qualified for 3rd or 4th rates) - 0 6 0 PURSERS. To the first 100 on the List - 0 5 0 To the next 200 ditto - 0 4 0 The remainder 0 3 0 Payable Quarterly. The Brussels Oracle of the 23(.1 March has the following :—An individual of the name of Froment, of the Commune of St. Maur, Department de l'Oise, having lent one of his neighbours, of the name of Merle, 2,000 francs, and being unable to recover payment of the money, threatened to shoot him. He in fact went and loaded a gun, and being again only answered in a facetious manner when L demanded his money, he fired full in the face of the unfortunate man, who fell dead at his feet ! The delinquent was immediately ar rested—he begged, however, as a special favour, to be per mitted to have ocular proof that his " enemy" was actually dead, before he entered the walls of the prison. A Leipzig Journal says—the Emperor of Russia has subscribed 100 ducats, and the King of Prussia 20 Louis d'ors, towards the building of the Infirmary for the Poor, at Camenz, the birth-place of the celebrated poet Lessing. Mu•ruAtu ACCONIMOIIATION.--A short time since, a prisoner in the Fleet sent to his creditor to inform him that he had a proposal to make. On his arrival the prisoner observed, " I have been thinking it is a very foolish thing for me to lie, and put you to the expence of 2s. 4d. a-week. My . being so chargeable to you has given me great uneasiness ; and God knows what it may cost you in the end. Therefore, what I would propose is this : you shall let me out of prison, and,' instead of 2s. 4d. you shall allow me only ls.6d. a-week, and the other ten-pence shall go towards.the discharge of.the debt." IRELAND. EXTRACTS FROM THE EVIDENCE GIVEN lITEORT: THE LORDS' COMMITTEE, APPOINTED TO INQUIRE INTO THE STATE OF IRELAND. DANIEL O'CONNELL, Esq., examined. Does it occur to you that the equalization of political rights enjoyed by Catholics and Protestants would be conveniently and advantageously accompanied by some legislative provision for the Catholic Clergy, dependent on the will and pleasure of the Crown ? Yes, it does. I think it would be very desirable in that case, that the Government should possess a legitimate influence over the Catholic Clergy, so that in all the relations of the State with Foreign Powers, the Government should be as secure of the Catholic Clergy as they are now of the Protestant Clergy. I think, therefore, it would be very desirable that the Govern ment should have that reasonable bond, that would bind the Catholic Clergy in interest to them, as well as in duty. I should be very desirous myself of seeing Government possess that influence. Have you considered, and can you communicate to the Com mittee the details of any such measure ? I think a moderate provision should be made for the Catholic Clergy, ascertaining that they were native-born subjects, horn in allegiance. With the exception of individuals at present alive, and fit for offices, who have been partly educated abroad, my wish, and that of the Catholic Gentlemen and Noblemen with whom I act, would be, that the Catholic Clergy should be, means being found for that purpose which do not exist at present, educated within the allegiance, so that all foreign in fluence by reason of education should be taken away, as well as foreign influence by reason of birth. From your knowledge of the feelings of the Catholic Clergy, arc you convinced that, as accompanying Emancipation, they would be generally ready and willing to receive State provision ? I have not the least doubt on my mind that they would be quite ready, as accompanying Emancipation. I have as little doubt that they would be decided in their rejection, if offered to them, without the equalization of civil rights—what we call Emancipation. Will you have the goodness to state the reasons which will lead the Catholic clergy to the rejection of any provision on the part of the Government, unless connected with Catholic Emancipation ? They would be supposed to have sold their religion, to have trafficked for themselves, and to have attached themselves to a Government which the people consider hostile to them ; to have taken an inimical position, and to have taken it for the motives that are considered the worst, from personal pecuniary advan tage; they would therefore loge their influence almost entirely. Are you of opinion any corrective could be applied to the evils which are understood to have arisen from the system of 40s. freeholds in Ireland ? It is difficult for me to answer that question. The system of 40s. freeholds in Ireland is essentially different from that which it is in England. There are, however, some 40s. freeholders in Ireland who have fee simple estates, and with these I suppose nobody would meddle. Then with respect to those who hove derivative interests, there is an immense deal of perjury, frairu the accumulation of oaths, and they are part of the live stock of an estate. And I think in counties, although bad as the system is---it is of some value to those of the peasants who have any share in it—it may, upon a proper arrangement, be very advis able to raise the qualification in the counties of those subordinate voters. I think it would not, perhaps, be wise to agitate a question of that kind without accompanying it with measures to allay discontents. Are you prepared to !suggest to the Committee an arrange ment, such as that you have alluded to? No further than this; that if Emancipation wery accompanied with the raising the qualifications of derivative rights in counties to five or ten pounds, I do not think it would excite any general dissatisfaction ; and 1 am sure it would not, if the Legislature acted upon it in that way, create any serious dissatisfaction, or any thing that the Government need apprehend. Do you think there would be a great objection to raising the qualification to twenty pounds ? I do. I think twenty pounds would be considered much too high ; and as excluding so immense a number of the occupiers, that it would create considerable discontent in any way. Do you think you would avoid the evil of perjury by raising it to ten pounds ? Yes, I do; a man who had a ten pound freehold would he known among his neighbours • be would have a character to preserve ; and I do not think there would be nearly the tempta tion to perjury there is now. Do you think any voter, really independent, would be dis qualified by raising the vote to ten pounds, or even to twenty pounds ? I have no doubt that many voters, really independent, would be disqu a lifi e d by ra i s i ng it to twenty pounds; I thi n k ver y f ew by raising it t o t en p oun d s . In talking of d er i va ti ve r i g h ts , very few who would vote according to their own wish would be dis qualified in their own counties by raising it to ten pounds. But it is only due to candour to state, that as between Protestant and Catholic, I think the forty shilling freeholders in almost all parts increase the Protestant interest, though mostly Catholics ; that they are so much in the power of their Protestant landlords, that a high-ascendancy-gentleman, in the county of Cork would march six hundred - voters to an election to vote, if he pleased, for the Grand Master of the Orange Lodge, in my opinion, and all under the guidance of a Roman Catholic Magistrate. Do you think the raising the qualification to ten pounds would be productive of great benefit to Ireland ? I think it would be productive of benefit. It is, in my hum ble judgment, no small benefit if you get rid of any portion of perjury; and it is the commencement of what we want so much in Ireland, a substantial yeomanry. At present the population is too much divided between the highest and the very lowest class. From the great influence on the part of the Catholics, do they not, in point of fact, derive great indirect political influence from the 40s. freeholders at present? I confess, I think that the 40s. freeholder who votes against his landlord is generally ruined by it. There is a heart-rending scene following the election ; and after all, with every political feeling, it is extremely difficult to reconcile one's self to the misery it produces. Can you state what effect, or whether any effect, has been produced upon the minds of the lower orders of the Irish Ca tholics by what are called Pastorini's Prophecies ? I think that no effect has been produced upon the lower orders of the Irish Catholics by the book called " Pastorini's Pro phecies." That book was written by an English Bishop, a Doctor Wahnsley, and it would not have been heard of in Ire land if it had not, as we understand, been spread very much by persons inimical to the Catholic Claims. There was R. considerable number of copies of it printed in Dublin, and certainly not printed with the assent of any Catholic. And the year 1825, as the ominous . year in " Pastorini's Pro ' phecies," is, I believe, a mere misprint. I have been, for some time, aware of that fact, but I thought it better not to mention it, lest we should have another year of disturbance and distrust. The prophecy fixes a period of three hundred years, from the commencement of the establishment of the persuasion of the Protestants until they should all return back to the ancient Church. As to the book itself, it is a book very likely to excite very little attention in Ireland ; it is not written with virulence, so as to gratify the vulgar ; it is not written with taste or talent, so as to please the educated ; and it has been condemned by the hi g h es t au th or iti es i n t h e Catolic Church, from the moment it issued. The Rev. Alban Butler, who wrote a singular work called the Lives of the principal Saints and Martyrs, in twelve volumes, condemned it strongly and distinctly when it came out ; and I believe it was never approved of by any Catholic Bishop whatever. But to return to the calculation, it is just this: the reformed Churches took the denomination of Protestants, from the protest against the deci sion of the Emperor and the Diet of Spires, which occurred in the year 1528 or the commencement of 1529; the protestation is dated the 11th er 19th of April, 1529, which was just at the commencement of the year when the fourteen cities declared themselves Protestants. The calculation is taken therefbre from 1528 by Pastorini, the three hundred will be at an end in 1328; but in the original edition, 1828 is printed 1825, not withstanding the three hundred years are calculated from 1528, and I attribute to that misprint the fact, that the year 1825 has become an ominous one. I discovered this mistake some time ago, and was just upon the point of proclaiming the dis covery, but I corrected myself by the reflection, that if I did so, we should have another year of the same folly as has been exhibited in the present year. Has net some countenance been given to the miracles of Prince I-I oh enlohe ? Yes, the miracles, through the intercession of Prince Hohen lobe; there were two instances published, one by Dr Doyle, and the other by Dr. Murray. I investigated the documents published by Dr. Murray, and certainly they are of a stagger ing nature : there must certainly be purjury or a miracle, or one of those extraordinary recoveries to my mind unac countable. Have they not received the sanction of some of the Roman Catholic Bishops ? Yes, of Dr. Alurray. The doctrine of the Catholic Church is, that miracles have not ceased ; we believe that the miracu lous powers are to continue as long as the church—miraculous power through intercession, or, as mentioned in the Scripture, by reverence for the Saints or their relics. Particular miracles we are not bound to believe. Each Catholic is at liberty to re ject the belief of each particular miracle : but we are bound to believe that the miraculous powers have not ceased, and will not cease. 'We conceive they are suspended according to the will of Providence and brought forward when he is p leased so to order it. C oup l e d with that tenet, we are permitted to be credulous upon the subject of each particular miracle, and not to admit it but on the most .concluatve ground. In the cue of the miracle Dr. Murray proclaimed, the lady herself must be guilty of perjury, or she recovered with the most extraordi nary rapidity. The fact, in my belief, depends upon the credit belonging to her. The Rev. John Burnett examined.—What are those doc trines which you think the Protestants usually attribute by mistake to the Catholics ? The Protestants are in the habit of understanding that the Catholics hold the doctrine of exclusive salvation—that is, that no person wl.o is not a Catholic can be finally saved. The Pro testants imagine also, that the Catholics hold that they are not required to keep faith with heretics in any contract into which they may enter with them, whether by oath or otherwise.— The Protestants generally—l speak of the south of Ireland, where I live myself—the Protestants generally, in that quarter, imagine that the old doctrine of the Pope's power, to put an interdict on a kingdom, for the purpose of subduing the So vereign and the subjects to the See of Rome, is also held by the Roman Catholics; and they imagine that the old doctrine of the Jeduits, that the end will sanctify the means, is also held by them ; that if the interests of the Catholic Church are the end, any means may be employed for effecting it. Ido not think that the Roman Catholics in general hold these doctrines. The Rev. James Doyle, D.D. examined.—Bishop in the Ro man Catholic Church ; of the diocese of Kildare and Leighlin. Do you think there would be no objection on the part of the Roman Catholic Church to a provision being made on the part of Government towards the maintenance of the Roman Catholic Clergy ? This, like some other matters which have been alluded to, is one on which the feelings and opinions of others are con cerned, and I cannot undertake to speak ; but for myself, I would much prefer deriving my support, as I do at pre sent, from the contributions of the poor people for whom I labour. But I know that this measure has been contem plated by persons who are anxious to relieve the Catholic laity from the disabilities under which they labour at present; and I should not withhold my consent from any arrange ment which would go to alter the mode of paying the Catholic Clergy, if such opposition on my part would be any obstacle to an arrangement which I consider necessary for the settlement of the country. Whether this opinion which I hold is the same as others may entertain is what I cannot state. I would also add, lest any impression should remain on the minds of the Noble Lords, on account of that preference which I would give to the present mode of payment over the other—l mean, lest an impression should remain on their minds that I would be indisposed to have any communication with Government in that way ; the cause, then, of my feeling as 1 do, is lest the Catholic Clergy, in some time hereafter, not finding themselves dependent upon the people for their support, might relax in their zeal in the discharge of their duties. This is the chief, I might say the only cause, which would make me wish, as far as I am personally concerned, that things were suffered to remain as they are, correcting abuses according as they might arise. Do you conceive that there exists a desire, on the part of the Catholic Church generally, or of many individuals in it, sup posing the arrangements referred to in a former question to be made or not, to possess themselves of any revenues of any part of the Church of England ? Whether such arrangements were made or not made, I never discovered in others, nor have I ever entertained myself any disposition whatever to be put into possession of any portion at all of the revenues or property belonging to the Established Church. I will add, that if any portion of that property were offered to me, I would not accept of it; that if it were proposed to grant the stipend at present spoken of out of the tithes re ceived by the Clergy of the Establishment, I would not be induced to accept of it. Are not Catholics prohibited intermarrying with Protestants by the Council of Trent ? No: there is not a syllable about it in that Council. - Do you consider the marriage of a Protestant with a Roman Catholic valid ? It is valid, in a civil and ecclesiastical point of view. Have you never known a marriage between a Roman Catholic and a Protestant, solemnized by a Protestant Clergyman, dis solved by a Priest ? Never; it could not be done ; not by the Pope, nor Council, nor any authority on earth, unless there is a canonical impedi ment (which the difference of religion is not) intervening. Did you ever know an instance of a marriage of that kind dissolved, by which the woman became an outcast? Never; it could not be done. If a Roman Catholic and Protestant intermarry, and the children are brought up Protestants, does the Roman Catholic incur any censure ? No, never. Have you never known the Catholic Clergy make it a con dition, in a marriage between a Catholic and a Protestant, that the children should be brought up in the ltoman Catholic faith? They advise it ; it is in the nature of religion that the Mi nisters of it seek to make all the proselytes they can. Bove you ever known them refuse to perform marriages un less that condition were acceded to? I have; hut if they should, the parties can go to the Pro testant clergyman, who has equally the power of marrying them. If the wife is a Roman Catholic, and the husband is a Pro testant, and the husband converts the wife to the Protestant faith, what course do you pursue with respect to her ? The person who ceases to be a Catholic ceases to frequent our assemblies, and we know no more of him. The power of deposing Kings is completely obsolete ? I think completely extinct. Not acknowledged ? I have not heard of a divine who has maidtained it for a long time; it is a thin,* we reject at our schools. I have learned theology, and taught it myself for several years. I have de fended in public theses, printed and published, that the Pope had no such authority, and that it is decidedly contrary to reason and the public good. You would say the same of an oath being not binding, be cause it was made with an heretic. Yes ; that is too blasphemous to be contemplated. Will you have the goodness to explain what is meant by the infallibility of the Pope? There are so many divines who have written upon that sub ject, and they have given such very long definitions of it, that I should do much better by referring your Lordships to them, than by giving a definition myself. Melchior Cano has a long treatise upon the infallibility of the Pope. Seamen are uncommonly scarce in this port at present. Many vessels have been obliged to put to sea short of their full complement of men. Wages have, in consequence, risen considerably within the last week. We understand that 31. 10s. per month have, in many cases, been given for able. bodied seamen.—( Liverpool Courier of Wednesday.) A very SINGULAR CASE was witnessed at Do ver a short time since. A lady of that town was safely deli vered. of a fine child, and soon after its birth the nurse was, as is customary, rubbing its limbs, when she felt something prick her hand, which, on examination, proved to be a needle pro jecting from the child's arm. A surgeon attended, and en deavouring to extract the needle, broke it in twain ; the re maining part was afterwards got out, with a piece of thread actually attached through the eye.—(Kentish Chronicle.) CORONER'S INQUEST.-Testerday evening at 8 o'clock an inquest was held at the Guy Earl of Warwick Tavern, Warwick-kne„ Newgate-street, before THOMAS SHELTON, Esq., Coroner fez. the City of London, on the body of Mrs. Martha Halls, aged GO, the widow of a gentleman of that name, lately residing in Charles-street, Portman square. Mr. William Hall:, son of the deceased, being sworn, said, that he holds a sEuation in St. Bartholomew's Hospital. The deceased was 60 wears of age, and since the death of his father she had betrayed strong symptoms of insa nity, which he, witness, attributed te the decased having be come acquainted with another lady of Cc.:: Methodist persuasion who instilled similar principles into the of the deceased, so as to make her a .perfect enthusiast ; and she would fre quently express her fears that she should r.erer enter Heaven, in consequence of her sinful life, and that it 7as no good for . her to pray ; and ultimately a delusion was in her mind, that officers were continually in pursuit of he: to tal:2 her to gaol. She at length became so extremely z! at she could not remain in the house with the servants, but pz:e,rl-..d re moving from her own residence to that of a- friend in \i lane, to which place she was attended by a female servant. I v' ast there, she would frequently have the place searched, persisti:. - that officers were concealed in the bons:, the purpose of a l ;:. prehending her. On Tuesday night, about r _;:lt o'clock, during the absence of the servant from the drawing-r. she embraced the opportunity to commit the horrid deeti which formed the subject of the inquiry. On the return of the servant, she fonid her mistress prostrate on the floor, welL:i in her t load, with her throat cut in a dreadful manner, a - a large carving knife, with which she perpetrated the act, lying by her side, covered with blood, and the whole exhibiting the most horrific spectacle. She was not dead, and Mr. Hall (the wit ness) was immediatel,,- sent f or; on his arrival he di scovere d his unfortunate mother A o f hi m to f org iv e her for the rash act s h e had --- • expressed a hope that - the whole of her family ;- • l'-,_wive her for having done it. The blood was gushing throat during the period, and almost stifled her utterance —s'l„ Licl soon after his arrival. The deceased had no cause to be frightened at officers, as site was not in debt, but was in affluent circum stances. He had no d ou b t b ut she was i nsane at C ie moment she committed the act.—The Jury had no doubt upon this point, and after a mo ment ' s d e lib erat i on, returne d a verdict, That she committed th e act herself being at the time in a , state of insanity." h Without at all intending to impugn the coo' duct of the Trustees, we may yet venture to es' sert, without fear of contradiction, that great abuses exist in the administration of the affairs of Turnpike Roads in general, and especially of the roads round about the Metropolis. The laws that govern this branch of our domestic economy seem indeed sufficiently strong to prevent the abuses we allude to, hut it is notorious that they do not. Such being the fact, we must look for the causes of the evil, and it seems t° us they will be found to arise in a very great degree from the three following defects in the system itself. Ist. The existence of several trusts with distinct funds, whereby the woe" ber of toll-bars is unncessarily increased, Ila d of course a greater amount of money col lected from the Public. 2dly. The total ab" sence of any controulling power over the trus tees; and hence the authorities entrusted t o them by Parliament are employed, not so muc h for the benefit of the Public as in preserving their influence and keeping up their interests amongst their neighbours, by means of what, in these days, is called jobbing ; and there is nothing tha t furnishes more ample means for these " jobs" tha n private local Acts of, Parliament. And, lastly, th e calling on persons for the performance of statut e labour on turnpike roads. This last objection appears to us a monstrous imposition en the pub" lic ; for we confess we cannot see the justice o r propriety of calling on a person to contribute h l3 share of statute labour in the formation or repai r " ing of a road for permission to travel on whic h he is afterwards compelled to pay a toll. Statut e labour is all well enough on the parish highvisY s ' but in reference to turnpike roads it is, we re ' peat, an imposition, and that too, of so uncolour able a nature as only to require exposition in Pr to secure a remedy. The two first defec t : have up to this moment been found proof agnia / , simple legislation. With a vi ew t o th e re mol t of them, it has been proposed to place all °‘ portion of the roads in the handy of Governor ' °t and,perhaps, if an exchange could be eff e cted an d the Assessed Taxes abolished, and the Roads gio" to the Commissioners of Taxes instead, we mig ht (possibly) for the sake of o beneficial a chang e he disposed to acquiesce, notwithstanding pe think the Government ought not to have this cla t i I thrown on their hands. There are very obvi" es d reasons why Government should not b e e ntruste d with the roads ; and as that is the case, it strik e; us that these objections wou ld be best got rid o f by placing all the roads (or at the first, say th es round about London) under a corporate bed s in London ; because by uniting all the Trir s T there can be no pr e t e nc e f or erec ting W I bars within a less distance than 10 miles ° each other ; and because, by having a cornPa ri " tively small body to deal with, that body will be more more immediately effected by public eP i# nion, and more within the reach of Parliamelll and the law. There may be objections to the plan which which we are not at present awn' e or, but at any rate, it is better than the el° rig system, and less objectionable than th o plan of transferring them to persons apr in t f ed by the Government. The execution - ° the plan is by no means difficult, and W / feel persuaded that if a few public spiri tei a individuals were to subscribe together, ° fi form a fund for procuring the necessary Char ter from the Crown, and proper powers from P ar' -.lent, a sum of m one y w o uld he very 9°ati st.,..nribed amply sufficient to satisfy all 01°r a gagees of turnpike tolls, and every other deo ° r: that could be mad e . It i s a ma tter of ' l.l s prise to us, that in this sp ecu l a ting age th i s most obvious ground on which a Joint St °c e Company might b e p ro d u c e d, h a s e scaped th eb attention of the keen-sighted capitalists of the City, and, although we are no friends. many of the schemes that are daily sPri n g in for up around us, we canno t h e lp no ti c i n g this of two good reasons, first, because the public be greatly benefited by its adoption ; and scC°ll R IO DE LA PLATA AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION.—Some additional Provisions in the Deed of Constitution being advised, the PROCEEDINGS & - t the CROWN AND ANCHOR TAVERN proposed for Tuesday next, the sth of April, WILL NOT THEN TARE PLACE, but in a few days notice of a Meeting will be given' By Order, J. MOXTED, Clerk• Carlton Chambers, Regent-street, April 1, 1825. GOOD FRIDAY—A Holiday at all the Public Offices. H1(411 WA'l'l.:ll AT LONDON BRIDGE TO-3101tRW'r: Alorning, 10 minutes after 1. j Evening, 39 minutes after l• THE SUN. SOLEM QUIS DICERE VeILSUM .41.7bEiT LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, APRIL 1, 1825•