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h e should move them to submit to his Majesty, praying him that be would be graciously pleased to suspend the system of promotions, uniees under special circumstances, in order that the promotions might be in some degree com mensurate with the wants of the service, and with the state of the country. In the year 1792, the number of Officers, from Admirals to those of the lowest rank inclu sive, amounted only to 2016, while, in the present year, the number was 5558, or nearly three times as great as it was then. It was natural to expect, that if Ministers had stopped in their system, of promotions as they ought to have done, the reduction by death, and by removal time of peace, would have been sueb, as materially to diminish the amount of that half-pay which formed the dead weight of the Navy. In the year 1792, the half pay rather exceeded 170,0001., while, by the system to which he had alluded, it had increased so much of late year 3, that it reached, in 1816, the enormous sum of nearly 800,000/. ; a fact, the knowledge of which, he thought, would compel the House to go with him in the opinion, that sufficient attention had not been paid to the promise to diminish as much as possible the burdens of the country. At the close of the last war, it was said that there was a great number of inferior officers whose services bad been such as to claim promotion to a rank that would afford them support for life, and 1200 inferior officers had accordingly been promoted to be Lieutenants. It was then understood, that from that day no promotions were to take place, but such as were required by the peculiar services of any individual. He thought he could satisfac torily chew that that understanding had not been fairly acted upon. In 1818, the number of Officers in the Nav-y stood thus :-67 Admirals, 68 Vice-Admirals, 75 Rear-Admirals, 851 Captains, 813 Commanders, and 5994 Lieutenants, making a total of 5868. At that time it was held out to the country that the annual decrease would be about from three to five in every hundred persons. He would, in order to he under the mark, take the lower of these two numbers, and then he should fiud a decrease of 1740 persons; yet, instead of that being the fact, the decrease amounted only to about 900 persons ; for, in 1829, when the Address, of which he had before spoken, was voted to his Ma jesty, the number of Officers amounted to 3558 ; and, by a 'eery - strange coincidence, the number remained ex actly the same at the beginning of the present year. At this time, the number of Officers actually afloat amounted to 342, which was rather more than one-seventh of the gross number, so that for one officer employed there were nearly six unemployed. And this great number of officers was still maintained so far above the number in 1792, although we had not more than 80 or 100 ships above the number which we then possessed. The number of officers nominally said to be employed, amounted to 1,843, although in fact about half of that number only were afloat, for a great proportion of the ships were, in fact, commanded by Lieutenants. The number of ships in employment amounted to about SOO, which gave nearly three commanders for every ship. He asked whether these facts were not suffi cient to warrant the House in saying that no more promo tions ought to be granted, either for personal interest or Parliamentary influence, but solely to recompense merito rioue services. The amount of half-pay had increased since 1792, from 170,0001. to 800,0001., and that sum, toge ther with what was voted for Greenwich Hospital, made the amount of the Navy Dead Weight reach to nearly one million and a half. He really must again declare, that with a decreasing revenue, a depressed state of trade, and a sys tem of expenditure in every other respect extremely heavy, that sum was much greater than ought to be demanded from the country. In the years sines 1818, the promotions in the Navy had been 142 for the first ; 72 for the second ; 103 for the third ; 169 for the fourth ; 236 for the fifth, and so on up to the last year, when 220 officers were pro rooted, making in the whole ten years an aggregate of 1808 "Arsons promoted in a time of profound peace. He con tended, that acting on the same principle as in 1899, the House ought to say to the Government that there should be no further increase until the dead weight of the Navy was reduced to such a seal. as was compatible with the pre sent state of the country. What circumstances, he would ask, had occurred within the last year to justify the pro motion of 220 persons, with such a dead weight in existence ? He would answer—none. He could not but think that these promotions had been unjustly made, -when he saw among them the names of Post Captains, who had never seen a shot fired in auger, but who were hurried forward in the lists, superseding old and valuable officers. It was unnecessary for him to refer to names, but he saw in the list some Post Captains who had been made Commanders only in 1824, 1825, or 1826, who :tad never been engaged in actual service—nay, who had not been horn' in 1803, and who had not been in the service in any eapacity whatever at the close of the last war. The Bons* slsonia ~eases. that...every shilling e of the money thus -paid was borrowed, so that, in fact, they were pursuing a bad 'system of a most terrible in crease of public debt. lie knew that some Honourable Members might defend the system by declaring that it was necessary to preeerve a proper succession of officers, but he did not believe la the truth of that argument, con vinced as he was, that if those only were promoted who had merited promotion by cervices, the Navy would never feel the want of gallant and able officers. All he asked was, that no further promotions in the Navy should be wade, unless they were called for by extraordinary circumstances ; his candid opinion was, that, of late years, More than half the promotions were made to extend the deflections, end strengthen the power or the Ministers. He freely admitted that the selection was not made from - e'slembers of either House in the habit of supporting the measures of Government ; in this respect, the persona at the bead of the Admiralty had shewp impartiality, as they had frequently promoted the friends and relatives of their political opponents, their object being to esquire influence with the Aristocracy generally, as well as with those who a n d parliamentary votes. He was aware that the indi viduals at the head of the Naval Department of the country might find ',Neu obstacles to a change of system—they would have Tsang interests to oppose—and on this account it was highly expee'.;ent to arm the Admiralty with the authority of the Houle, in a Resoluthic might be passed unanimously. This yein 6,125,000/. ion w ha h d been voted lot the expences of the Navy • o! which sum 1,547,9591. were appropriated to the dead wef;ht of that service. This dead weight, instead of decreasing sheer its first imposi tion, had increased in the burden it laid upon the conntey. ;In 1822, the dead weight of the Army, Navy, and Ord mace was, 5,289,000/. In 1823, it was 5,311,0001. In 1824, 5,317,0001. And in 1825, 5,302,0001., being heavier than when the House of Commons addressed his Majesty to reduce the expences of the eteentry. In what be had said, and in the motion with which be should eon elude, he did not mean to throw the slightest reflection upon the Illustrious Individual at present at the head of the Admirainy—he had brought the subject forward on principle, and had given notice of his motion long before the appointment of the present Lord high Admiral. 711 e Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving, " That at:- cortiing to Returns upon the Table, it appears, that on the Ist of January, 1827, there were 45,558 Commissioned Officers in the Royal Navy, from the rank of Admiral to lieutenant inclusive, of whom only 842 were employed sEout ; that this House has voted 708,0001. for the half pay of Flag Officers, &c., which, exclusive of 579,559/. voted for Half-pay and Superannuation Allowances of the sweat teterenes, Widows, and Orphans, and exclusive of 2150,0001. for Greenwich Hospital, making together the r e m i „. f . 1,54.77., were voted for the ineffective part of the Naval end Marilee Department. That an humble Ad dress be therefore presented to his Majesty, to express the earnest wish of this House, )hat he will be pleased to take into consideration the present genet number of the Officers in the Royal Navy; and, having rege:rd to the state of the finances of the country, which diminish .She revenue, and She heavy load of taxation, that he will be pleased to direct that no further promotions be made in the Roe's! Navy, excepting on very extraordinary and urgent oceiudrans, where the particular merits of a great length of service o sue: l i individuals shall authorize such promotion, as essen tial to maintain the best interests and high character of the naval seervice of the country." Sir G. COCKBURN contended that no more effectual, plan for da*ng the seal of the service could be devised, than a conenrreLlce in the proposition of the Honourable Gentleman. If his suggestion had been adopted, and no new promotions had b e en made since 1815, the service evould have consisted mainly of old and less active officers, while at present, under the existing system, there were al ready more than two hundred Captains of between fifty and sixty years of age, and a corresponding number of Lieutenants of a proportionate standing. It yeas absolutely necessary that new promotions should take place a mo derate degree, for the purpose of feeding the service with young men, to succeed those who were gradually superan nuated. Promotion scat governed upon two principles, to award deserving officers and to encourage young aspirants; and the full proportion of new officers would be found to be the eons of Admirals, of officers in the army, or of per. sons not less deserving, who had taken a lead in the affeirs of the country. It was not correct to state that in 1813 all the officers entitled no reward far war service had been promoted. Many well-merited promotions for war service had been made since that date, and, in the latest instance, all midshipmen who bad passed their examination before the end of the war were advanced. After explaining the mode in which promotions on service took place, the Gal lant Admiral went on to argue that it was extremely dan gerou3 to the service in an y wa y to check promotion, and ae. ..rnp.tor.% with which applications were made at the Admiralty for appointments. None were more frequent than from officers who wished to go to the coast of Africa, because there the promotions, from the effects of the climate, were more rapid. He bore testimony to the feet, that the present motion was not at all directed against the Lord High Admiral, inasmuch as notice had been given of it before that great office was revived ; and afterwards moved the previous questions on the Resolutione, and met the motion for an Address with a negative. The question was then put on Mr. Hurne's fret Reso lution, and the previous question was carried. Mr. HUME, in moving his second Resolution, ob served, that having put his sentiments on record, he should not give the House the trouble of dividing. Sir J. YORKE was aware, after the speech of the Gal lant Admiral (Sir G. Cockburn), that it was not neces sary for him to add any thing in support of what he had advanced. The state of the finances of the country was certainly appalling, and hence a degree of caution ought to he observed in the promotions. Some measures ought to be devised to lessen the enormous patronage, and to cheek promotions in all the services. What course the present First Lord of the Treasury might take, he could not know ; but if be placed himself upon his country, and to a certain degree obeyed the popular voice, he stood a hence of being one of the strongest Ministers that had ever ruled the destinies of any country : if not, he must soon sink to the level of' those who had preceded him.— He (Sir J. Y.) saw no reason why the promotions in the Navy should not be Gasetted like those of the Army, and this, of itself, would afford some protection against mal practices, if any existed. He always wished to speak of the Lord High Admiral with the utmost respect, and con sidered his Council constitutionally responsible; but be had Rot yet heard why it was necessary to appoint second Captains to ships, any more than it was necessary to pro. vide them with two boatswains and two gunners. Sir G. COCKBURN was rather surprised' that his Gal lant Friend had objected to a regulation of which he him self had had the benefit. But as to the Commanders, wherever there was a deserving Lieutenant he was made a Commander, and then there were so many Commanders, that they could not all get employment at sea, as there were more Commanders than ships, and more ships in peace, than could be employed at sett. Several of the commanders had had no experience, except on board of sloops and other small vessels. It was highly desirable that they, or as many as possible of them, should hare experience on board seventy-fours, and other first rates, on which the great strength of the Navy de pleaded. This deserved to be attended to. With regard to the sale of commissions in the Navy, it was a plan which had not as yet prevailed there. But he had been turning toe subject in his mind, and had been considering whether it might not be a good regulation to allow young men to purchase the commissions of old officers who chose to dis pose of them, and to increase the allowance of officers who might with to retire, by which means a number of old commanders might be induced to give way to those who were still in the vigour of life. In the time of war, he was ,atisfied that none of the officers of the Navy would consent to this; but perhaps as there was at present a prospect of e long peace, many old officers might he disposed to retire upon an increased allowance. This would prevent the atunber of officers from increasing ; and then it would ra ther tend to gratify the feelings of old deserving officers, *cr they would naturally say, that, although they hail wished long for promotion, they bad at length got it for .errices, whereas these young men who were promoted at sn earlier period of life, got it by purchase. This would be introducing a new system into the Nary, which would drobably be contrary to the notions and prejudices of many ; but still, if any regulation should clearly appear to be a good one, it ought to be adopted, or otherwise they would never make any improvements. But then he only spoke of this as a thing which had occurred to him, without his having formed any derided opinion on it. Mr. HOME DRUMMOND could hardly think that the number of naval officers ought to be reduced, as, in the ace of the breaking out of a war, - the:want of them might be severely felt. Mr. CROKER stated, that a List of Naval Promotions was published by authority every quarter in time of peace, and in time of war, every month ; and the List was usually copied into every Newspaper in the kingdom. If the Gallant Officer had wished to make any improvement in that, he ought to have proposed it to the Board himself, when he was a Lord of the Admiralty, instead of whisper ing it to the Secretary, who was only a servant of the Board. Sir JOSEPH YORKE said, that when he was a Lord of the Admiralty, the Secretary was not the servant of the aoard, but the very reverse.—(A loud laugh.) Sir G. COCKBURN observed, that a Lore of the Ad miralty ought not to permit the servant to he the suer. toohea, with conamerame ap prehension, to the introduction into the Navy of that sys tem of sale and purchase of commissions, which prevailed in the Army. It would he quite new in the Navy, and might be dangerous. The objection of the Hon. Member who brought forward the subject, was, as he understood it, that there was no rule or limit to the number of officers and promotions in the Navy ; that they might have eight officers for one ship ; and there was no rule against its being twelve. The motion of the Hon. Gentleman was a Moderate one, and he hoped the prevent Council would at tend to it. He trusted, also, that the Illustrious Person now at the head of the Admiralty would imitate the im partial conduct of the late Duke of York with respect to promotions. No political or other partial motives had swayed that Illustrious Person with respect to promotions in the Army, and his conduct in that particular bad never been, and perhaps never will be equalled. The previous question was then put on the sec ind Re- solution, and carried without a division. Mr. HUME then rose to move the Address to his Ma jesty, for limiting the number of Promotions in the Navy. As matters stood at present, there was no end to the tine necessary expence that might be incurred in this way; and the evil, instead of diminisiiing, would go cn in creasing. In this service, there was no rule nor limit in this respect, as there was in other services. If something should not be done in the way of limitation, before the next Session, he trusted the Finance Committee would come forward to protect Ministers against applications of this description ; for he was apprehensive that nothing, except a restriction of the House, could effect that object. The Commanders certainly wanted employment ; but that wits owing, in a great measure, to the promoting of young men of influence. The superannuated Commanders who e hdee it might be allowed to retire with the rank, if not with till Pp of Captains. The Hon. Gentleman con cluded with roving the Resolution he had before read for an Address to the Clown. The motion was negatived without a division. THE NEW CORN BILL. Mr. HUSKISSON then moved the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself into a Committee on the Warehoused Corn Bill. Sir E. KNATCHBULL stated his resolution to give this Bill his most determined opposition, though he would not then divide the House. He entertained the most serious apprehensions as to the consequences that would ensue from it. This measure had been urged on the au thority of Lord Liverpool. That its principle had that Noble Lord's sanction, he believed, but that its details had ever received that Noble Lord's approbation, he had a decided donbt. He founded this opinion on a conversation he had had some time ago with that Noble Lord on this very question. In that conversation, the Noble Lord had asked him whether sixty shillings might nut be safely adopted as the point of protection for the agricultural interest? He (Sir E. Knatchinill) had answered, that if 60s. would remunerate the farmer, he, personally, would be content with it, looking rather upwards than down wards. With that declaration the Noble Lord appeared /*tided ; and be inferred that the Noble Lord'} object was to insure a remunerating price, which he was confident this Bill would never effect. The only ground of consola tion in the present measure was, that it was to be but an experiment. The House would, therefore, have an oppor tunity of ascertaining whether it was capable of securing a remunerating price to the agriculturist. If it did not, he trusted its Mends would consent to abandon it as unfit for the purposes which it was intended to accomplish. The Hoy. Baronet, in conclusion, adverted to the duty he and other Hon. Gentlemen of hie class had to perform towards the numerous body dependent on the prosperity of agriculture. ' jr. CANNING assured the Hon. Baronet, that not only the principle of the Bill, but all the details, had been attentively considered, and completely approved of by Lord Liverpool, with the single exception done clause respecting our commercial intercourse with other countries. He meant that which was called the Reciprocity Clause. His Noble Friend was thoroughly acquainted with every part of the measure. The speech with which he (the Chan cellor of the Exchequer) bad opened the question on intro ducing the late Bill, was spoken, in fact, from a memoran dum written by Lord Liverpool, as from a brief, and only amplified for the purpose of fuller explanation. The Hon. Baronet seemed to entertain some doubt with respect to the price having been fixed by Lord Liverpool. He could assure the Hon. Baronet, that the fixing of the price of 60e. was his Noble Friend's original, own, individual pro. position. Ile drew a different inference as to that point from the conversation which the Hon. Baronet had repeated ; and he knew, too, that his Noble Friend had drawn a dif ferent inference from it. Lord Liverpool certainly under stood, from what had passed between him and the Hon. Baronet, that the Bill would meet with a very limited op• position, at least in that House. His Noble Friend had told hint the substance of the conversation soon after it had taken place. His Noble Friend had stated to him, that having met the Hon. Baronet in Kent, he had men tioned the price of 605., and that the Hon. Baronet had answered as he had that evening related, that with that price he would be contented, looking upwards rather than downwards. It was not necessary for him (the Chan cellor of the Exchequer), to say that this expression had been misunderstood; for, as to its perfect accuracy, be could have no doubt, because the Hon. Baronet had re peated it in precisely the same words as Lord Liverpool. His Noble Friend had reported it to him as the foundation of a hope that he should 'get the Bill through the House of Commons with less difficulty than he had expected. If there were any other points on which the Hon. Baronet had any doubt, as to the entire concurrence of Lord Liver pool in this measure, he was ready to give him the most sa tisfactory explanation,—(Hear, hear.)—With respect to what the Hon. Baronet had said regarding the duty he. owed the agricultural interest, he would meet the Hon. Baronet's professions with corresponding professions. He assured him that he felt as deeply as the Hon. Baronet could the difficulties on both sides of the question ; and that consideration was due to the possible sufferings of the agri cultural population, as well as to the practical sufferings of the manufacturing classes. He could not refrain from do ing the manufacturing classes the justice of saying that under all the privations which they had lately endured they had manifested an exemplary spirit.---(Hear, hear, hear. )—During no previous period of real or apprehended suffering had that House been so little vexed with impor tunate applications. He trusted this conduct would be borne in mind by Parliament, and met by a corresponding feeling on their part ; and that whatever might be the issue of their labours, which he hoped would not be fruitless, at least they would recommence the consideration of the ques tion next Session with minds unbiassed.—(Hear, hear.)— He trusted that the discussions would he conducted with temperance, and that on a subject of so deep and vital im portance, no angry passions would be excited.—(Hear.)-..... There was one point more to which he would advert before he concluded. The Hon. Baronet seemed to anticipate, that ii the price of corn should fall below the assumed point of protection, under the operation of this measure, the House would be bound to reconsider its steps. The Hon. Baronet should recollect, that when the late Bill was brought in, the price of corn was considerably below 60s. If next year it should be where it was when that Bill was introduced, er even though it should be higher, it would be still below the point above which the Hon. Baronet wished to see it raised. The price of wheat that existed on the very day that he (Mr. Canning) opened the Bill was between 63e. and .51s. It would be proper, therefore, to measure, not from 605., but from what the price was when the Bill originated. The Right Hon. Gentleman concluded with an observation, which, like many others in the course of his speech, was nearly inaudible in the gal lery, us to the importance of discussing this question with ten,per and moderation. Mr. BANKES contended, that this Bill was founded on false pretences, inasmuch as it professed to secure an ave rage price of 60e., when, in fact, that would be the maxi mum. He was extremely glad that the former Bill had failed.—(Hear, hear, bear.)--He repeated, it was a most fortunate circumstance that that Bill had failed.—(Cries of " Hear, hear," from Mr. W. Whitrnore.)—Did the Hon. Gentleman who cried " hear, hear," suppose that every body that differed front him must be treated as an ignorant selfish person ? He would not submit to the obloquy which the Hon. Gentleman had attempted to cast on him with so much arrogance.--(Hear, bear, hear.)--The Hon. Gen tleman might enjoy his opinion, if he pleased, and he (Mr. Bankes) would keep his own.—(Hear, hear.)—Hie opi nion had been formed on at least as enlightened, and he was sure as honest principles, as that of the Hon. Gentle man, or any other Member of that House.—(Hear, hear.) He was glad that this Bill would afford an opportunity of trying its principle by way of experiment. He suggested the propriety of cutting off the descending scale. Mr. WARD had the strongest objection to the ware housing system being broken in upon at all. In his opinion, men's property was best in their own keeping, and it would be a great hardship upon the merchant to be obliged to warehouse his corn on the other side of the water. Ths bonding system had been the most successful system ever adopted in this country; it was not less advantageous to the agricultural than to the commercial interest. With regard to the defeat of the late measure, whatever evil might result from it, the responsibility would not rest upon the Government, but upon other persons. Mr. HUSKISSON adverted to the difference between the suggestion which he had mad e on a '.ate occasion, and theiefigatEt-leklAirfaa4R24444,l4,9tlimAapvi to give a preference to the corn already bonded in tide country until the price should reach 665., so that after the price reached that sum the general principles of the perma nent measure should come into operation. The Amendment interfered permanently with the bonded system, and was entirely at variance with the principle of the measure. The Eton. Member for Kent (Sir E. Kn.atelabull) was glad that the Bill bad failed, and preferred the temporary mea sure. He had no objection to making an experiment, with a view of ascertain how far the principles of the perma rent Inessuc were likely to be eucctssfal, hut yet he wished only half the system to come into operation. Now he would put it to the Hon. Baronet, whether the experi ment could be fairly tried, unless the whole system were allowed to come into operation ? lie was ready to admit, that when corn was under 60s. the circumstances of this country were not such as to admit of encouragement being given to the importation of foreign corn. There was no ground for apprehending any extraordinary speculation in the near porta in consequence of the measure before the House. He had, for instance, recently received informa tion from the Consul at Rotterdam, that corn could not be delivered under 455. ; when to this price the duty of 245. came to he added, these was no danger of any extra ordinary influx of corn from that quarter. The appre hension of excessive importation from Canada was equally unfounded. The year after the adoption of the measure for facilitating the importation of corn from Canada, 94,000 quarters were imported, and in the last year the alarming quantity imported amounted to 37,000 quarters. The most effectual measures were taken to guard against the introduction of any corn through North America, which was not the bona fide produce of the Canadas. Colonel WOOD thought the principle of prohibition es sential to the protection of the agricultural interest. Whe ther the term prohibition were used, or whether the object were effected by a duty amounting, in fact, to a prohibition, was a point of inferior importance. Mr. WORTLEY thought his Majesty's Government had adopted the best course which remained open to them, after the failure of the Bill.--a failure which he could not regard as a great misfortune. Mr. CANNING, in reference to what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Kent, observed, that the part of the measure which went to the preservation of the bonding system, was not only a part, but a favourite part of Lord Liverpool's measure. Sir E. KNATCHBULL denied that he hail given. any pledge to Lord Liverpool on the occasion to which the Right Hon. Gentleman had adverted. Mr. CANNING had not stated that the lion. Baronet had given any pledge, but that Load LiVerpool had re peated to him (Mr. Canning) a conversation, from which his (Lord Liverpool's) inference was, that the Hon. Baronet was more favourable to the plan than he expected to find him. The House then went into the Committee. Several clauses were then proposed, and agreed to with out opposition ; and the House having resumed, the report was, at the request of Mr. HUSKISSON, brought up forthwith, read, and received, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. The Bill for consolidating the laws relating to the Cus toms was read a third time, and passed. The Admiralty Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow, Mr. TENNYSON having moved the third reading of the Game Bill, _ . . Colonel SIBTHORPE opposed it, and moved an Amend ment, but as it was not seconded, the Bill was read a third time and passed. The Canada Clergy Reserves' Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. W. HORTON withdrew the Slave Laws' Consoli dation Bill for the present Session, in consequence of the Noble Lord, now at the head of the Colonial Department (Lord Goderich) not having had sufficient time since be came into office to make himself fully acq uainted with its details. Upon the motion for the third reading of the Mutiny Act Amendment Bill, Mr. HUME begged to know who was responsible at the present moment for the Promotions in the Army, and the advice given for its regulation? As there ryas no Commander-in-Chief, he thought it ought to be known with whom the responsibility in such cases rested. Lord PALMERSTON said the Hon. Gentleman must be very well aware, that by the constitution of this country, his Majesty could not do any thing without responsible ad visers. It was the duty of the Secretary at War to give advice upon matters generally connected with the regula tion of the army; and in those times, therefore, when there was no Commander-in-Chief, it became the office of the person who held that situation, to give advice upon the subject of promotions. He was, therefore, the 'responsible officer for any thing which may be done while the situa tion of Commander-in-Chief remained vacant. The Bill was then read a third time and passed. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of and the House adjourned at Twenty Minutes past Eleven o'Clock. HOUSE OF LORDS. (FROM A eoitaitsroxossa.) The following is a summary (including the six Peers who paired off) of the votes for and against the Duke of Wel lington's amendment : For the Amendment. Royal Dukes 0 Dukes . Marquises ... 13 Earls .. Viscounts . Barons Archbishops • Bishops Against it. 58 Total...—. 136 Total 125 Of the above there were, connected with Scotland : Peers . Connected with Ireland : Peers Archbishops& Bishops 8 Total l4 19 90 13 English : Peers Archbishops & Bishops 4 ... Total 94 96 Th. House of Peers consists of more than 380 Members, of whom about 440 may be capable of voting; allowing 40 for minors and Roman Catholics. The number that voted and paired off for and against the Duke of Wellington's Amendment, was 261.—Morning paper. fresh reinforcements from Constantinople. The nreeks is the Phalerns answered by a brisk fire on their side. Fayam Ft/stns.—Rental, Five per Cent. 102 f. 102 f. 10c. ; Three per Cent. 70f. 20e. 95e. FORNION FlJNAC—Rentes Nap. Cert. Fal. 76f. 80e ; Royal Spanish Loan, 59i ; Interminable Span. Annui ties, 43i ; Haytian Loan, 680 f. 67M. COLOMBIA. (From the Gaceta de Bogota—Official Part.) EXECUTIVE.-THE NATIONAL FINANCES. The account of the receipts in the National Treasury, during the year beginning the let July, 1825, and ending on the SOth June, 1826, gives, as their total amount, 12,156,572 dollars Si cents; from which sum are to be deducted the three millions which have entered into the Treasury, from extraordinary supplies, such as the lean, ; the remainder 9,166,372 dollars si cents, may be considered as the actual amount of revenue. The expenditure for 1627, including the interest of the foreign debt, has been estimated at 8,390,027 dollars 74 cents; there is, therefore, a surplus of 606,544 dollars 4 cents. But if the squadron is to be equipped, as we think it should, then the expenditure will be inceased to 9,897,729 dollars fig} cents, and there will then result a deficiency of 741,357 &Hang cents; which, in our opinion, should be covered by a decrease in the war utimates, a correspond ing reduction taking place in the army. It would then staid as follows : Total amount of the revenue 9,150,731 dollars, 514 cents. Estimated expenditure 9,153,731 dollars, 1”4 cents. And as Peru owes Colombia more than three millions of dollars, exclusive of interests due, the Government of Co lombia may calculate on this sum to pay the interest of the last year due on the foreign debt, without their being auy occasion to hare recourse to loans to pay what is owing. This is the state of our national finance, three months after our civil commotions had sommenced, which have done it so much injury. If no alteration had taken place in our administration, the Government would have been able to make our revenue meet our expenditure, and place on a proper footing the political and commercial credit ofl the country. The revenue of the last year has been mush greater than that of the year preceding ; and the expendi ture has been gradually reduced, without any injury to the country, so as not to exceed six millions, e xclusive of the interest of the foreign debt. But after our late politi cal convulsions, in the course of which the laws and the Government lost their vigour, at the desire of certain por tions of the community, the Administration can no longer answer for what may happen. FXICTS OF Beak Stock Consols, 3 per sent SS% Gov. Stock, 33 par wit— 89% Ditto, New 4 per Cent. 99 111% 9 Goy. Deb. 33., per sent 91% Royal Canal Stock Grand Canal Stock City Deb. 4 per cent — Ballast Office Deb. 4p. et -- 11014.11QX XXCNANCOIS OM LONDON. ANSTMIDAM, JIMA 19.-12 f. s—Two months', 12f. O. MGM WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TO-MORROW. Morning ...18 minutes after 1. li:Yening minutes after 1, In our Paper of yesterday instead of the late Premier, the late Lord Liverpool were the words printed, and by some oversight the mistake was not corrected in a few of the first impressions. We should be sorry, indeed, to talk with apparent levity of the visitation of Providence which has removed that virtuous Nobleman from the high situation which he occupied, and we sincerely trust, that though cut off from public life, his Lord ship will recover sufficiently to enjoy, in private, the society of friends and the esteem of a grateful country. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. FRENCH PAPERS. (From the Etoile, dated Wednesday, May 20.) , . SALazets, MAY 15.—(Conclusion.)—(From the Aus trian Observer, June 10.)---Lord Cochrane, before lie left the vicinity of Athens to proceed to Poros, thinking, pro bably, that the fall of the Acropolis must be the inevitable result of the events of the 6th, wrote on the morning of the 7th to Captain Le Blanc, commanding the Juno, French frigate, a short letter, in whieh he requested him to employ his good offices with the Seraskier, in favour of the garrison of the citadel. Capt. Le Blanc consented to this, and immediately wrote to Redschid Pasha, asking an interview with him on this subject. Lord Cockrane had set sail for Poros without giving notice of what he had done to Gen. Church, who, as Commander-in-Chief of the land forces, was the proper person to make such a proposal. Capt. Le Blanc feeling the impropriety of this proceeding, went to the Phalerus to confer with Gen. Church; the lat ter, though he seemed hurt at the proceedings of Lord Cochrane, (lid not venture to refuse the proposal. The let ter of the French Captain was, therefore, sent on the 9th of May to the camp of the Seraskier, who showed himself well inclined to listen to it, and replied on the following day, that "the precepts of Islamism and the principles of the Porte ordered pardon to be granted to the rebellious Reyes, when they submitted; that the too-long resistance of the Acropolis, without hope of deliverance, was au ob stinaev without object ; but that, in consideration of the friendly relations existing between France and the Sublime Porte, he consented to treat the besieged with all possible indulgence." In consequence of this favourable answer, M. Le Blanc, accompanied by M. de Reverseanx, another Officer of the French Navy, who had arrived on the 10th at Salarde, re paired on the Ilth to the Court of the Seraskier, wisen the following offers of capitulation were signed on the same day : " TIMMS OP CAPITULATION OPPNAND TO THE CIALUDION OP INN CITATML 01 ATISCU, NT WO EICJILLNYCY Tin IZILASEINA RIDSCNID MINIMUM TACNA. " Article 1. Colonel Fabvier shall retain his arms, and retire at liberty, with his baggage. " Art. 2. The troops of the garrison shall lay down their arms, and retreat whenever they think proper. Those among them who are subjects of the Sultan, and who choose to enlist in his army, may be admitted among the troops of his Excellency the Seraskier. retaining the rank and the pay which they enjoyed in the corps to which they belonged. " Art. 3. Hie Excellency the Seraskier engages to sick and necessary. , as well as every thing else that may ha " Art. 4. The Garrison shall be conducted by a route at a distance from all the Turkish posts, to the sea coast, at the same spot where the troops landed in the night of May 5. " A►rt. 5. His Excellency the Smokier will grant to the column, during its marsh, an escort of cavalry, and will ensure its perfect safety to the place of embarkation. " His Excellency the Seraskier promises, on his word of honour, punctually to observe all the articles of this capi tulation. " Additional Article.—His Excellency the Seraskier far ther consents to grant, as a security for the faithful observ ance 'of the capitulation, hostages, which shall be sent on board the Juno French frigate, and delivered to the French Captain, who shall send them back to the camp of the Seraskier, as soon as the capitulation shall have been com pletely executed. " Signed in the presence of his Excellency the Seraskier, and Romelia Redachid. " May I I, 187. " MEHEINIET PACHA." Captain Le Blanc, commanding his Majesty the King of France's frigate, the Juno, M. de Reverseaux, accompanied by some of the Seraskier's Officers, proceeded with their offers of capitulation under the walls of the Acropolis. General Church had given a letter written by him to Colonel Fabvier, which the Seraskier would not permit to he delivered. When these officers appeared at the foot of the Citadel, they were, at first, fired urn : some time passed before Ai. de Reverseaux Gould exchange a few words with Colonel Fabvier, who appeared upon the wall, and called out to his countrymen that he did not command in the citadel, in which he happened to be by chance. The proposed capitulation was sent into the fortress, and the next day the following answer was sent to Captain Le Blanc, by the Greek Commander of the Acropolis :—... " We thank you for the trouble which you kayo taken on our account. The capitulation proposed by the Bern trier, and offered to us through you, speaks of subjects of the Porte ; there are none here. We are Greeks, resolved to live free or die. jI the Seraskier desires to have our arms, he has only to come and take them by force. 4, We have the honour to salute you , (Signed) NICOLAS KRIESIOTI. STATES KATZIKOIANNI DION RUMORPOPOULO . J. AIAMMURI. GERASMO NICHOL ZACHURI rz A. •S. VLACHO. NITRAS LEKKA. 14 Acropoirs of Athens, April 30 (May 12), 1827." Captain Le Blanc brought back the answer on the morn ing of the 13th to the Ilialents to General Church, who had heard the Acropolis briskly cannonaded on the night of the 12th, and imagined that the negotiations of the French officer had not a favourable result. Under these circumstances, the General resolved to remain with Phale rus, which he would probably have left, if the garrison of the Acropolis had accepted the proposed terms on the 13th of May. Commodore Hamilton arrived on board the Cam.. brims with a brig and corvette, in the port of Salamis, where the Talbot was already waiting for him ; and it is said that two more English man of war are expected. Captain Hamilton met near the Isle of Seipho, 25 Turkish ships of war, two of which were of '74 guns. These vessels were also seen by the American frigate the Consti tution, which is at anchor at Egina. The Bombaschi (Colonel of the Turkish Garrison of the Monarchy of St. Spiridion) whom General Church, by his personal exertions had saved when the Greeks, in spite of the capitulation, had massacred the greater part of the Turkish garrison, had been received, at the request of General Church, on hoard the Austrian corvette Il Veneto, Captain Korner. The officers having heard that it was proposed to remove the Turkish Officer to Captain Hamil ton's ship, applied to General Church, and represented to him, that the Turk, by the terms of the capitulation, was free on parole, and ought to he sent to the Turkish camp. General Church replied, that he was entirely of the same opinion, and requested the Austrian Captain to cause the Bombaschi to be given up. On the 13th May, Captain Korner, after having sent , word to the Seraskier, at his invitation repaired to his . eamp, when he learnt from the Serukier himself, that Ibrahim Pacha, who had received orders from his father to join him (the Seraskier), was on his march from Corinth, where he would go to meet him in a few days. On the 14th, in the evening, a very brisk firing, which continued about half an hour, was heard all along the Turkish lines. It was presumed that some great event had: occurred, perhaps a sally of the garrison. To-day, the. 15th, we learn that it was a feu de joie of the Turks, pro bably on the news of Ibrahim's approach, or the arrival of .44AAPI "` *4131. err. .1.1. LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, JUNE tit, 1817. We are 'Vastly indebted to Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL for so kindly verifying our pre diction of last week, that the Ultras would soon find out that the New Corn Bill was not the measure of the Earl of Lx NquirooL, just as they did formerly that Mr. PITT was hostile to the Catholic Claims. But strange as it may appear, ,L_ the House of Commons, as our reader; will perceive by the Parliamentary Report. He admitted, no doubt, that the principle of the Bill might have been sanctioned by his LORD.. star, but not th• details. Unhappily for the statement of the corn-growing Baronet, Mr. CANNING declared that in introducing the Bill, he had spoken from a memorandum of Lord LIVERPOOL'S, as from a brief, and that there was but one single alteration made, that respecting our commercial intercourse with foreign countries. But we really should like to know what sort of Bill would suit the enlightened views of these country gentlemen. It is very clear that they want one which shall force up Corn to the right side, as they would call it, of sixty shillings per quarter. Mr. CANNING stated,, that on the day he introduced the Bill, the price of wheat was between 535. and 545. and every one knows that it is very frequently lower when all the ports are shut. Now they must have sense enough to see, that if they got the scale of duties raised to any amount they please, still corn must often fall below 605., as it does so even with an absolute prohibition, and they must know very little of their own interest if they wish to have prices fluctuate greatly. Their rents can never exceed what may be reckoned on in average years, and in the rare years of great scarcity and high prices, the farmers (for whom they care very little in general) have a sort of gambler's luck, which does little good even to them. The fact is, nothing would please these selfish, though short-sighted individuals, but an absolute prohibition, up to 80s. or 905., with a handsome bounty on exportation of 15s. or 205., till it reaches that desirable price. We hope, however, that they will not be of fended at our humbly offering them some disin terested advice, being not so unacquainted with the subject, or so incapable of sympathising in their case as they may suppose. With regard to those landholders who are not in debt, we should say that the best way of continuing in that happy state is to aim at a fixed and moderate, rather than a forced and fluctuating rental. It will give the incalculable benefit of ready-money dealings, which no man will adopt with a vary ing uicome. Let them imitate Scotland in granting leases, for without more than a twelve months' interest in it, no tenant will bring out of the land half its maximum of produce. Let them employ themselves in giving a death blow to the Poor Laws, by gradually, not harshly, reducing that intolerable burthen, confining their operation to the aged and infirm. Let them with this view exert their ingenuity in devising public w orks, such as canals, which hold out fair prospects of remuneration, which can give employment to numbers of paupers, and by ter minating gradually, leave fewer unemployed than there are at present. We are convinced that whether they be Whigs or Tories, they will find the present enlightened Administration ready to assist them to the utmost of their power, when they do not seek their own aggrandise ment, at the expence of other interests almost as important, and with which theirs are intimately connected, instead of being opposed to them, as they erroneously fancy. Acting on these enlarged views they will, with more real wealth than at present, enjoy the esteem of all classes► instead of being held up, as they too often are, to contempt and execration, as a hard hearted and selfish race, confining all their po licy to the raising of their rent-rolls, and of the price of bread to the poor. But to those landholder* whose estates are " From age to age, in everlasting debt," we can only say, that, seek relief where they please, whether from a total sale or the dismem berment of a part—whether from matrimonial alliances or commercial speculations, nothing can exceed in folly and delusion,—their fancying that they will be bettered by now and then forcing corn up to a high and unnatural price. The Bill which has been lost in the Lords, aimed at the happiness of all, by steering a middle course between conflicting interests, and we only hope that the Country Gentlemen may again have an opportunity of accepting one possessing so many advantages, for the order to which they belong. The French Papers of Tuesday, a nd the Etoile dated Wednesday, have been received. The discussion of the Budget has afforded M. CHATEAUBRIAND, on Monday last, an other opportunity for displaying his oratorical :flow rishes against M. VILIALE and his financial plan ; but the tirade, however heartily meant , failed in its object. The Chamber ordered the speech to he printed, and thus, like our eloquent Mr. HUME, the I'rench orator has the satisfac tion of having his " multiplication table" raced upon record. In thus coupling the rival States men, we do not mean to compare their financial abilities, for our countryman's evidentlya b r e e foreA th e n o: too fo The which tionabl e an or d er to b e we ll ca l c ulated üblime fi gures o f t h e ar d ent F renc h ma n. s Etotle gives from the Austrian Observer , f found h in an o th er co l umn . If that r i l t i g t i , e e es ' s t e eo n rcilllu be n o o statement be correct, we regret to observe that Lord COCHRANE should have acted without' the concurrence, or at least the knowledge, of General CHURCH, immediately after the disastron s result of the attack upon the SERA siciEfts camp. It appears that hic Lordship cony municated with the French naval comment!' ing officer, requesting him to intercede i" behalf of the Greeks, so as to obtain 1 01. ,_ them a favourable capitulation. The Fren ch officer before doing this consulted Genera l CHURCH, who naturally felt a little hurt, bu t who at once acquiesced in the step advised 11 Lord COCHRANE. The result o f t h e neg ocia - tion is highly honourable to the brave G r eeks I L I I the Acropolis, and their answer t o th e Frog'' officer is worthy a better fate th an w h a t, in a i, probability, now awaits them. They say, " Wit h the characteristic spirit of heroic men, W e thank you for the trouble which you have taken on our account. The capitulation proposed 14 the Seraskier, and offered to us through you: speaks of subjects of the Porte : there are po ny here. We are Greeks, resolved to live free , or die." FILINCA FUNDS, Just 19.—Five per Cents, 102 f. IOC.; Three per Cents., 70f. sac.; Neapolitan Rentes, '76f. soc• We have received, this morning, Brussel' Papers to the 21st instant, with the Allgemeine Zeitung and Frankfort Papers to the 16th, bu t the latter contai►► no news from Greece, e xcept that already received through the Austrian ° b " server of the 10th instant. The news fo n ' Batavia has no interest. By the Marquis of Huntly, Captain Askel files of Sydney G aze tt es t o t h e 11th (1 , February, h ave b een rece i ve d at the North an d South American Coffee House. The following are extracti:— " On Friday afternoon, 'the 9th of February, arrived 0 , 1 whaler Sisters, Captain R o b er t D u k e , f rom New Zealan°, having left on the 98th of January. The Wesleyan bliv sionary station has been plundered, and the Missioneriei compelled to fly for their lives the Rev. Mr. Turner , Mrs. Turner, and three children, together with the Reg' Messrs. Hobbs and Stack, as also Mr. L. Wade and Wife' have arrived as passengers in the Sisters. The bri TVellington, which was carrying prisoners to Norf °l ' Island, had, when within two days' sail of her destinati on :, been captured by the convicts, and the Captain, crew, ' ll '. a troops made prisoners. Mr. Buchanan had his heed 15 %, open with a musket. As soon as th e vesse l was in °$ possession, th e pi ra t es ma d e f or N ew Z ea l an d, where" providentially happened the Sisters was lying at anal i , ii " .l off the Bay Islands. An action then commenced bet" the pirat e an d t h e w h a l er, w hi c h l aste d s i x h ours, in Ww.„s two of the former were kill e d. Capt a i n D u k e t hen on board with a flag of truce, and declared, if they did 11 0 surrender, he would bear down, assisted by two or thf,,, hundred natives, and pmt every ma n t o d ea th. This hot w e effect ; and the pirates surrendered. Some of them, bo vil a ; escaped; but by the exertions of Capt. D., with th e assert - it , of the natives, the wh o l e were soon retak en , an d they P it tro been brought, S 4 in number, back to Sydney in the P f _j and the Wellington, which latter vessel had also arriT off the heads. Forging on the bank s seems to b e on t increase in the colony. Some persons had been OPT . hended for this crime on th e N ew South Wa l es B/" 3 : The mounted police had effected their purpose, and the 1; tins had quite dis a pp eare d , an d all was tranquil. S ear 't all the dollars in the Venus, Kilgour, which were sometime time in Torres Straits had been recovere d' of 60,000 amounting to between 8 and 9,000. The Editor of the Hobart Town 6;usgte has exPreista ping the wretchedness l ilt. ; iwas t ouhnaigedengetbaedi suggestions, o e shfr fi naatn t sti hao w etttphio h rpwe i go c hr h icHvet oune w nonnide, o! oo d aoGnurf:roa vt:osleda who are the bso e d and disgrace of the English metropolis, and thousands who ar e A ariseand to met on t oet Government tht re a r edeem h as e e em i theirlc olo ny , Yen idae attended r s s ti tos P i horror o I pta i hse v ea e ter s oes , mp r w e aoa seproea highlymdeepn r d a s ydi t te l y i s to ar m anbdl e: v i m f r r y i o n rs g p e e e ties i h ae Bth commandme nt ' ca rlcrime, e:tofilwo so that New South Wales may become the scene of thei r l future reformation and usefulness : the intercourse i tP; Island, which it appears is in a most shocking state, h,tj give melancholy and long lists. The mar" e t is completely stagnant with extensive supplies of n'h es ; which continue to pour in; the Settler's prospect of resinn; prices that will remunerate him, is stated to be still ditto° Average price of Wheat, 4s. 6id. per bushel ; Do. glaise 45. 6d. ; Do. Barley, Ss. 9d. ; Do. Oats, Ss. 6d. ; Fin Flour, 16s. per cwt. ; Seconds, Mc ; Beef, Ss. gd. F t ) stone; Mutton, 4s. 10d. ; Pork, s e. Id. ; Hay Ofes( 10- 1 per ton, 91. ; Straw, 1 1. 55. ; Cattle generally brought prices. tive I n Van Di eman ' s L an d an Act of Council i s in ec preparation for the Relief of Insolvent Debtora ; and a large tract of land was raising by the settlers in Oyster HAY j° the supply of the Sydney Market. t h to es ta e l amount Colonies o of s p calculatedn ri o v:tepope rtY. and shipping of twenty-four u !: ing, a mounts to the extraordinary sum of 950,0001., ° I I ° , ing 200,0001. more than was calculated as the whole 1 3 ' t perty of all the population in 1810. da land mi y T i o , ulhiunens cultivation,sto population 6 w O h , o OO s O ig n ; e o t d f he th e houses, requisition fora Colonial MI:, This morning the Colonial market in Mincing-lane, for Raw Sugars, has been brisk at yesterday's advance the refined market has also been extremely steady, and as h. quantity in stock is small, the consumerslake off the guar tity made as fast as it comes to market; 'Coffee ii i flat; and at a public Sale this morning of St. Doming* a great part was bought in at 425. of good quality. 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