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habit, it is probable that they will continue to rub on without them. But be this as it may, it would be hard if individuals were to be deprived of the power of resorting to -those shifts for se curing themselves independently of the law, to which men thrown on their own resources will naturally betake themselves. The Grand Seignior is Sovereign of the wild regions, harassed by the Arabs; but Turk as he is, lie does not complain of caravans which have been plundered,' negotiating with the Arabs for the restitution of their property. The English, in like manner, must manage with the Arabs in the best way they can. We have never blamed Magistrates or police-officers, but the system. We have no doubt, that many of the police-officers are pos sessed of both abilities and cool courage in no ordinary degree ; but the system does not allow them to employ their.abilities or courage for the good of the public.. They could not exist on their allowances, and were they not to be. paid by those who have recourse to them, they must. starve. The greater the number of depredations, the greater the call for their services, _and conse quently the better their income. If people will be so stupid as to. suppose that police-officers must monopolize all the Spartan virtue of the Country—that while all other persons are seek ing to improve their incomes, these men should exert themselves to eradicate that on which their incomes depend, reason would only be thrown away on them .—lbid. We yesterday stated that we could no-longer hold out hopes pf the-possibility of peace being preserved with Turkey, and we alluded to the complexion of the intelligence which had been received. We may now state more in detail, which we can do from good authority, that our Government are in possession of despatches from Vienna, of the .25th of November, containing the latest accounts from Constantinople, which are of the 10th, at night ; and we have good reason for believing, that the pufport of them is that the Divan held very high language on the subject of the destruction of the Turkish fleet at Navarin, and talked . of some measure of re paration as being an indispensible preliminary to the renewal -of a good Understandin , between the Porte and the Allies. It appeared that an account, or a rumour, of a descent on Scio by Lord Cochrane and General Church had greatly exasperated the Sultan—that he had directed preparations to be made for an extensive arma ment, and that he lisd talked of accepting the unjust war forced on him by the Allies. It is alsa understood, that all means of Austrian in terference haci;ceen,fruitlessly exhausted. We believe that no fears were entertained for the per sonal safety of the Ambassadors, whose de parture was yet. a matter of uncertainty, though it is most probable that it has taken place. It will not be supposed that the Expedition against Scio could - have been in the remotest degree countenanced by the Allied Commanders ;• so far, indeed, from this being the case, we have reason to know that they interfered to prevent it. The reports at Constantinople of the actual de scent, may have arisen from the • knowledge of the intention to undertake. the expeditiOn, which may have been afterwards abandoned ; for we cannot learn that there is any account of its hav ing actually taken place.—lbid.. Though the Stamp Duty upon Newspapers May be supposed .to secure a monopoly to their owners, we trust there is by far too .much ho nour, among those who possess that description of property, to. wish to see the usefulness and freedom of the Press shackled and circumvented by any undue extension or tortured construction of the burdens under which it labours. There are various publications, both weekly and monthly, of the highest character and utility, all of which deal in certain matters in common with the Newspapers—such as the Prices of Corn and Stocks, Deaths, Marriages, &c. ; but which are still widely different in their real character from the sort of Journal to which- the Stamp Duty in question was meant to attach. If this were not so, and a fair common-sense line could not be drawn, it would be impossible for any one fact to issue from the Press without t he impri . matur of Somerset House ; and we know of no greater violence and injustice which could be committed towards the liberty of the Press than tile annihilation which such a regulation would produce Of various cheap works of great value and utility. If, as we have said, we have any in terest in the matter, it-is just the reverse of , that svh ich the line. we are taking is calculated to serve ; .lot we trust we can look to general principles, utterly divested of any sordid motive ; and we should be untrue to the principles of truth and in dependence—which we are at all times anxious to promote—were we to hesitate for a moment iu deprecating the attempt which is now making by the Solicitor of Stamps to inflict upon a use ful;tliough subordinate, class of publications, an impoSt which we are convinced.was never origi nally meant to reach them. Those who own and manage the Newspaper Press in this country have, God knows, burdens and difficulties enough to. contend with ; and, instead of doubling their circulation by being ,enabled to vend their commodity st a price Phig.ll would bring it w ithin one's reach, they are tied down to a price which brings it comparatively , within the reach of the few. To supply that de ciency to a certain degree, other publications of a different character have arisen, which would most of them, in the end, be put clown, were the present attempt to tax them to. succeed. We do not mean to say that we believe that any such intention exists ; but such, we are per suaded, would be the effect of the measures which are commencing.. The truth, we believe to be, that the Stamp Duties having, from va rious causes, fallen off considerably. from . what . they used to produce, an attempt Is making by extraordinary vigour, to make up the Ile. fieiency from other sources. The low price of landed property, and the reduced rate of inte rest, have very much reduced the :ad valorem duties on sales and mortgages ; and the abolition of the lottery has, we have no doubt, diminished the Stamp Revenue to an extent which had not been calculated upon. To supply this, the Re ceipt Tax is firs; resorted to; and now certain cheap periodicals are to be brought within the denomination of newspapers. This latter attempt appears to us to be quite preposterous, and Will not, we trust, succeed. Those who are attempt ing it but little reflect how very sin.all an addition, .iny, would be gained to the general resrenue, were th e y to succeed. How many printers, for instance, who are tax-payers, . would be thrown out. of employment—how much the excise duty on paper and other coinmodities used in the trade would be diminished were they to succeed'? In fact, the freed om of the Post Office. seems to drawexactly that _Duty is entitl e d to limit which the Newspaper av ocations bord er u i between it and those whose t . N o paper eau go free which has not the Government stamp upon it ; and to attempt to call that a newspaper which only co pies articles of intelli gence from journals which have previously paid the duty, and which • ter of very small moment whether we have 1 repeats, perhaps, the price of Corn and Consols peace or wee It must, however, be quite evi-s from the same source, is an attempt to fetter !*dent; thiS by abstaining from all interposition 7-- them in their real character which no official by allowing the conte st of e xtermination to god on, vigilance_ can justify, and which will, we trust, 1 which the opponents of the Ministry declare to be effectually resisted.—Morning Herald. Ibe the most humane, religious, and peaceable It has of late years become too much the 1 mode—the only result must have been continued practice of Grand Juries to " find bills" upon ! and a ugmented. piracy, the gradual impoverish ment and weakness of both parties, or the anni slieht and imperfect evidence, as a matter of no rance or misinformation of hilation of the one, without the advantage s of course, through ig triumph to the other. In either of these cases, the nature of the duty which the law imposes we should have been subjected to much more upon them. This is a bad practice, and contrary expense and much more hazard while the war to the very reason of the institution of a Grand went on, and to much , more consequent loss Jury, which was not for the purpose of helping when it terminated. But then we must sub out lame and unsatisfactory accusations touching sidise the Greeks ! We need n ot remark on the lives and liberties of men, but with the ex- the facility -of assumption which is displayed press intention of preventing persons charged here. Were we to ask why, we should in vain with crimes from hemg put t o th e s h ame and in- I look for an answer. Let it however be grant convenience of a public trial, unless upon accu- ed, for the sake of argument, that we should cations which, upon a preliminary, but, at the subsidise, or • rather that we should guarantee, same time, a very solemn inquiry, appeared so _a small loan to the Greeks. 'What would well supported by credible and unsuspected tes- be the object of such a loan ? Not, most thnony, as to afford the strongest moral pre- assuredly, that they should be enabled to carry sumption that the guilt of the accused would be on the war with Turkey ; for, deprive the latter ultimately established. So great, in former of the assistance of lgypt, and the Greeks, times, was the strictness with which Grand without assistance from any other Power, are Juries sifted and examined the nature and pile- more than equal to the vindication of their own bability of evidence brought before them, that it independence. Turkey might refuse to recog gave occasion to commentators upon the ad- nise it, as Spain refuses to recognise the inde ministretion of justice to observe that there pendence of America ; but though she might were very few examples of men acquitted by disturb, she could not put down their liberty. Petty Juries, because Grand Juries were, .of She tried it with all the strength of the Janissa old, so wary in canvassing every thing nar- ries, and was foiled, though they formed a band rowly, and so sensible of their duty in pro- infinitely superior to the Tacticos' The only ceeding according to truth upon satisfactory pupose therefore for which a loan pould., be re evidence, that few or none were brought to quired by Greece, would be to enable her to re trial until their guilt seemed evident. Is that the build her dilapidated forts—to. set up again her case at present ? Far from it. The number of burned and ruined towns—to repair her harbours acquittals that occur at every Court of Assizes —to reproduce the fixed capital necessary to the and Quarter SesSions, compared with the whole evolution of her natural riches. Such a loan number of bills found, affords undeniable proof would be " bread cast on the waters, ' to be of the relaxation which has generally taken place gathered again with interest 'after many days. in the mode in which Grand Juries execute that It is, however, unnecessary to dwell on what most important part of their office—the inquiry would be the consequence of a prolonged into the sufficiency of the eviden ce produced to war with the Porte. The very supposi support bills of indictment. There are two im- tion of such an event betrays the utmost portant reasons why the strict- mode of inquiry ignorance of the state of the Ottoman dominions, by a Grand Jury in former times was preferable -and of the forces that may be arrayed against to the present .relaxed one . Th e first - is, that them, We must attend to the evils which it is the :oath of a Grand Juror binds him to such said must issue ftom a contest 'successfully strict inquiry, inasmuch as it contains these words waged against Turkey—evils, if they - are to be so —" You shall diligently inquire and true pre- denominated, much more likely to occur. We sentient make of all such articles,. matters, and shall in that case contribute, it has been said, to things as shall be given you in charge, and of build up a Power—Russia—which is already all other matters and things as shall come to dangerous to the liberties of mankind, and we your own knowledge touching this present ser- shall pull down one of the most powerful bar vice." Thus the oath binds the Greed Jury not riers to its increase. Neither of these positions only to inquire, but to diligently inquire, and are:true. It is not true that the alliance be not merely to make a probable presentment of tween the Three Great Monarchies of Europe accusation, but a true presentment—that is, true will tend, even in the event of a successful war according to the best result Of such diligent in- with Turkey, to aggrandize Russia. It is not quiry.. - ,The second reason is,. that to put any true that Turkey opposes any barrier to her ag person. on trial before his country on-a present- grandizement. The treaty of the 6th of July is merit of crime, which is only allowed to pass be- of all others best calculated to repress any at cause it has 'been but superficially examined, is to tempt at aggrandizement on - the part of the Czar. work'sgreat injusticeso the individual, who is He is bound hand and foot by his own volun put_ to the shame, trouble, and estpence of defend- tary act : he cannot move but in company, and ing.himself against a charge which ought to have with the consent of England and France. So been stopped in /inzine, if the Grand Jury did their far from favouring, the Treaty stands opposed to duty as their oath, the law, and 'their duty to their the ambitiOn of Russia, were she disposed to neighbour and the public, required. If it is only gratify it in the way supposed. If no Treaty necessary that a prosecutor, whatever his charac- had been entered into, will it be said that Russia ter may be, should make oath to the matter of might not and would not have found, not one, the accusatien, or get a witness to do so, in order but s e hundred, good and sufficient reasons for to justify this great constitutional tribunal in re- attacking Turkey? And with what show of turning " a true bill," then would the offier of propriety could we have interfered 'to prevent the Grand . Jury be a'very nugatory one kicked, h e r , Will the moat ardent admirers of the and might as well be dispensed with, for any use T u rks attempt to assert, that, not content with it could be din protecting the subject' from false leaving the Greeks unassisted, we should have and malicious accusations, and operating'as an c.esiga4el in a % T r tirPif:-Vel4 other POwell fro° effective guard on the administration of justice bringiu m g then, assistatte 'loll)., unrepressed but the duty of a Grand Jury is to examine the by - England. what could hinder the Emperor probabilitie s of the evidence given by . the prose ttlieheraa f: • rA marching to ,Conskantipople, and cutor and his witnesses ;' and in' doing so it is fixin g ; leis head-quarters in' the Seraglio in six. necessary to inquire into their motives — their weeks ? . This consummation, which our con characters observe their manner of giving temporary looks on as something only less dread their testimony—whether it be direct and sa2r- ful than the end of the world : is vreverd e d did, or evasive and prevaricating; and to take by but •one thing, and that is the Treaty especial care'to examine whether the story which of 6th July, and the events consequent on they tell is consistent or contradictory in its . its execution. But, grant the worst that parts with their' own statements and the state can be supposed—grant the partition of Turkey merits of one another. -As to a " Clerk of the —give Roumelia to the• Russians-s-push forward Court" dictating to a Grand Jury on what evi- the frontiers of Austria, until they and those of dence they are to find a bill, he not only has no the Czar.clip in .Greece from West to east—give right to do it, but might subject himself to a very the isles of the. Levant to England and France — unpleasant proceeding for so doing. It is true send half a million of Irishmen to rebuild the the more bills that are found, the more fees ac- hundred cities of Crete, and let the white flag erne to the officers of the Court and the lawyers wave over the pavilions of Venus, in her ancient —and that may account for a " Clerk of the and beloved abode of Cyprus—grant all this, Cotirt" endeavouring to arrogate such an audio- and we deny -that any danger would accrue to rity to himself. But the interest of the Grand Europe by the cbange•-- s we deny that Chris- Jury is not to make their Court accessary to the tendom would be a loser, should every turbaned manufacturing of fees, but to regard their oath, slave be sent back, poor and hungry as he was and.protect the interests of justice.—lbid. hounded forth, to the mountain fastnessess of his The fact, of the Sultan's definitive resolution fathers. We do not advise, we do not even to yield to the demands of the Allies, or to with- desire, the conquest of Turkey ; but the event, if stand them by force, must so very soon put down ever it does take place, cannot failto be favourable all theory on the . subject, that labour would be to Europe. The Turks of the present day may thrown away in its investigation. It may not be not be very far behind the Russians ; but the uninteresting, however, to consider the - e vils latter are improving—the former are not. Look which some anticipate from the success of Turkey to Russ ia, in p oint of civilization, a century and in withstanding the Allies : we say in withstand- a quarter ago, and look to her now, and say if the ing, for we do not know that any of our political one picture resembles the other ! •Then look opponents have contemplatedthe cbanceof Mah- to Turkey, and say if, from the day that the rriotsd hoisting the Standard of the Prophet Crescent first glittered on the towers of Byzan under the walls of Vienna, as one of his ancestors tium, one change haa been effected in her nee did. The esvil6pf a protracted war with Turkey tional character ! If any be observable, it is for can only be e4iniqt.ek4 by looking at the nature the worse and not for the better, Such a people which of that war, which, iu ilex present circumstances , w ill n e ver be civ i li z ed but b y conquest, unhap- Turkey is capable of cause . , ng jri the first pily, but truly, the only. civilizer to bar place, is will not be said that Great !Britain' could barism ever yields. As te any - dread of the possibly be celled on to combat Tuley power ®f Russia from the extension Of her do k by 144 . 52 we consider ridiculous. it worse than While die latter has the Greeks On' the right Wimon ,flarilr, the Russians on the left, and Austria in Every exte nsion 4,e!' territory but exposes her ig growth of un i i n . the year, it is not easy to see , the point upon more readily to attack wisheet adding to her which we should have to bear Sown. The ut- strength. Th e shootin g forth of h er bran ches is that most, therefore, England could be called on. unaccompa nied b y a n y correspond dream to do, would be to wretch the shoresto in- the trunls--41te extension of her wings only serves tereept the transports -to bloelted,e if in liar- to Weakenher centre. If ever the corresponding ti hour, and to capture if at sea, the men, versa). conquest be realised it - mnst be by a nation o of-war belonging to the Porte. Ist this powerful in home resources, and those resources task she Mould be assisted by the fleets so concentrated as to be instantly available. It ,4 of France and of Aussia ; and what is per- 'must not be by ktusai, 4 all others — an empire haps of more importance than either, by the of colonies—an army of out-posts-74 population little and there a whole fleets and vessels, regular and .irreAular, of of shreds and patches—here a the Greeks, ie our present position, sve_ l ittle.—New Tzmes. are compellee .to )914 in check rather than to' employ. It. is quite true, ,e 4 it has been ob served, that the navy of TUrkey s isot wholly Annihilated, and that the vessels sunk and burned a t Naiegin belonged chiefly to Egypt. But if,' under every disadyantage, a powerful armament was destroyed so easily, we need trouble our selves but little about the portion which still setn aine. What ships Turkey has yet in her possession are to be looked on rather as objects' of capture than of c64teption—she holds them only till we see convenient to take them from her. Under' all these circumstances, no war with Turkey can possibly call for a greater Bri tish naval force In ttt6 Mediterranean than the continuance of the system of piracy, which peace with Turkey had generated, must have rendered necessary. So far, therefore, as that branch of the service is concerned, it seems to us a. mat- Why is a dandy like a h^unch of venison ? Because he is a bit of a buck. Freights have advanced considerably at this port durin the last two months, and all the vessels in the coasting trade are fatly employed. So many of these are at this season engaged' with 'cargoes 0f. 4 potatoes for the London market, that the coal-merchants find difficulty in obtaining their usual supplies from Newcastle; in conse quence of which the price of coals has advanced consider ably during the last three weeks, and freights to that quarter are now 30s. a top, which (,1 short time previous were 25s.—Ecrth LORD LAST.--This ever-ready witted Nobleman...was applied to the other day by a col lector of one of the local taxes for the amount of tax. His Lordship said he had already paid it, and cn looking to his file di covered a receipt, sig11“1 by the same collector who the❑ applied for it. The tax-man, confounded, apologised in* the best manner he could, stating his regret that he did not recollect it. I dare say, said my Lord, you are very sorry you did not re-collect it. POLICE INTELLIOENCg. MANSION-HOUSE.—Within the last few days a greater number of unhappy paupers have appeared at the Mansion-house begging assistance, than ever we recollect to have seen within so short a period. The aged, the lame, the blind, and those who mimic infirmities, were in crowds in the Justice-room, as well as in the outer-room, which is generally occupied by prisoners. Sir C. S. HUNTER, who sat two days successively for the Lord Mayor, was quite shocked at the spectacle, and said that it was impossible for him to do any thing with the applicants; the Lord Mayor himself must deal with them. Three fourths of these paupers were Irish, who appeared to be in the most wretched condition. Others were sailors, able bodied and experienced. The Lon') MAYVR mentioned, in the course of his in quiries'into the merits and wants of his petitioners, that he had made a communication to the Hon.. East India Com pany, on the subject of the: want of employment by the poor sailors; and was informed, that the Company's ships were really overstocked, there being upwards of 500 more applicants than could obtain employment. The character of the . English sailor is daily undergoing great change. The first thing he thinks of, upon spending his last shil ling, is to beg of the next passenger he meets, and gangs of hungry-looking fellows, in jackets and trousers, are to be seen about the city. The Loan MAYOR was of opinion, that if he gave relief to any sturdy fellows, hundreds of idle beggars would be constantly soliciting him. He therefore desired persons of this description to apply to their parishes for assistance, and if the overseers refused to do their duty, to summon them before the magistrates. As for the Irish, Mr. Hobler observed• that it many was use less to attempt to pass of them home, as it was the invariable rule of most of the Paddies to get drunk at Bristol, and return to London, where they calculated they would make out a better Livelihood than at home. The Loin MAYOR acted upon all those suggestions. In consequence of thi4 course of proceeding on the part of the Loan MAYOR, the number of paupers who made their appearance at the Mansion-house yesterday was very trifling indeed; for his Lordship's determination not to en courage vagrancy was immediately whispered about at the twopenny lodging-houses, the owners of which have been in the habit of encouraging any stray lodgers to apply at the Mansion-house, and he would be sure to get a shilling or two. Mr. Hobler, by the bye, is in the habit of en couraging this system himself, by putting his hand into his pocket much more frequently than many who profess to love mankind more. BOW-STREET.—Mr. Johnson, of the firm of Johnson and Grimaldi, watchmakers, in the Strand, whose shop was lately robbed of property to a considerable amount, the restoration of which was said to be effected through the medium of a police-officer, appeared at this office yes terday morning, and swore to the following affidavit, in contradiction to that report : " Middlesex to wit.—This deponent, William Johnson, of No. 431, Strand, watchmaker, on oath says, that he, this deponent, having seen a statement in The Times, and other London newspapers of certain negociations being carried on between this deponent and some police-officers with the thieves, or persons, possessed of the watches and other property lately stolen from this deponent and Mrs. Grimaldi, his co-partner, he, this deponent, dechres solemnly upon his oath, that no police-officer has, either directly or indirectly, taken any part in the Testoration of the stolen property; but that such-property was restored to him through 4 channel totally unconnected with the police. (Signed) " WILLIAM JOHNSON. " THOMAS HALLS, S g " Sworn before us this 4 th day of December, 1827 . " RICHARD BIRNIE, ma ist rates. We have, heard, from the best authority, that the person through whom the negotiation was actually managed resides in a principal street leading from the Strand to the river. He iss-a notorious fence, or receiver of stolen property, and his dealings in that nefarious traffic are said to be much more extensive than those of the notorious Ikey Solomons. He is said also to have realized a considerable sum in conducting negotiations between thieves and those whom they have plundered. His house• and_ establishment have all the out ward appearance of respectability, and he manages matters with such secresy and skill, that even his nearest neigh- I hours are in ignorance of his . practices. The account in ran evening paper of a letter having been received on Sun day night by Mr. Johnson, stating that .the stolen property !,would be restored on the payment of I,t 00/. is not cur q.'ect, neither is the faCt that a meeting took place on 'the following morning at the third alcove of Waterloo between Mr. Johnson and the person deputed by ate. thieves to negociate the transaction. The facts p these:—On. Saturday a communication was made to Mr. Johnson by the individual to whom we have alluded above, offering to restore the property for the sum of 1,500 guineas. Ai: . . Johnson, nut wishing to be the means of compounding a felony, ff , fore he would give any answer to the communication, went once Inure to Bow-street, and asked Bishop and Ituthven if any chance remained of recovering the property, and appre hending the parties concerned. The officers assured him that they had no hopes, and that they had used every exertion, "and absolutely despaired of success. Then it was tlettMr. - Jolisin) was driven to the alternative, either of losing the whole of the property stolen, or acceding to the proposition of • the fence. lie adopted the latter course, and opened a negotiation with that person. The terms proposed to him were to give a cheque to his banker f0r1,500 g, uineas • and to ivalk the following evening.(Sunday) after dark to Kennington cross, where a man would pull him by the sleeve, and convey him to where the property was hid,, which he (Mr. Johnson) was to put immediately into hack ney- coaches . without asking any further qnestions, and drive home with it.. These terms were strictly complied with, the money was actually paid on Saturday by a cheque on Couttes bank, and Mr. Johnson received the whole of . . , his property' on Sunday evening, •at the time and in the manner described. Fifteen hundred guineas were actually paid to the individual in question, who is supposed to have pecketted at least the one-third for his trouble, and all the articles taken from the shop of Johnson and Grimaldi were returned to them in pfecisoly the same condition as when stolen. Some time after the above affidavit was sworn to, Sir R. BIRNIE, in, alluding to a paragraph which appeared in this Journal relative to the recovery of the Warwick notes, addressed Smith, one of the principal officers, asking him if he or any of his colleagues knew any thing relative to the restoration of the notes in question ?..--Smith replied that he knew nothing of the matter. Sir R. BIRNIE—I have made the same inquiry of all our officers, and have received the same answer ; and I find, moreover, that the felony and compounding were effected out of the jurisdiction of this office. Smith—l know nothing of the transaction beyond what I have read in the newspapers. Bishop and Ruthven have gone - to the Times-office to see the editor, and obtain an explanation relative to what has appeared in that Journal. Mr. HALLS.—But it was broadly stated in the Times, that it was only to ask the question at any of the Police, offices to obtain the name of the officer to whom allusion had been made. Now, as the editor seems to 'be in posses sion of that fact, we should feel much obliged to him if he would communicate it to us. A gentleman who was present observed, that he had reason to believe the article in question was written by a person who knew nothing about the real facts. Mr. JULIA—That is the very thing we complain of. Sir RICHARD BIRNIE.--If the article had been a little more pointed, I should have called upon the Editor to ac count fol. it. If he will publicly state in his paper who the officer is, or give us his name in a quiet way, and if, after inquiry, we find that he is guilty, we pledge ourselves that he shall be punished. Mr. HALLS—Most certainly he shall ; we pledge our selves to do it. I have no'doubt but that the press is in fluenced solely by a wish to save the public, in exposing that which it may term abuse, and it is right that those who conduct it should go on so long as they really effect that object, but at the same time they should be cautious how they implicated persons without good cause. Sir RICHARD BlRNlE—lnstead of writing ill-natured paragraphs, calling upon the Whig Secretary to interfere, to remedy the 'eVils of which they Complain ; which, by the way, is not very respectful to his Lordship, although for my own part, I should have no objection to take my chance of him,—if, instead of taking that method, the gentlemen who seem to possess so much information would come to us and state What they t4e 7 would find us perfectly willing at all times to remedy any real cause of complaint that may exist.' ' . • HALLS—No man can-have a greater respect for the Brews than I feel towards it ; but there are few who will not also agree that it has its abuses as well as benefits; and if, in endeavouring to accomplish the latter, they who conduct it give circulation to that which is untrue, the odium which they seek to fix upon others will fall upon themselves, and they will lose that power which they seem so anxious to retain. Sir RICHARD BIRNIE—I wish, instead of dealing in as sertions, they would furnisdi us with some information upon which we could act. Mr. liAm.s—Yes ; and we will pledge ourselves to leave no stone unturned to remedy any real ground of complaint of which we may receive information, either through the' press or any other med!um. Sir R. BIRNIE again repeated that the robbery of the Werw'eli hates, and the compounding •of the felony, took place without the jurisdiction of this office, and wherei.in point of fact, the Bow -street officers had no power to act; consequently they could not have be a n in any way concerned in the latter transaction. [Since the above passed, a communication has been sent from the office of the Times to Sir Richard Birnie, offer ing such proofs of the alleged fact as will probably sax it upon the guilty party.] Mr. Thomas, a constable of St. Paul's, Covent-garden, serving in his own right, applied to Mr. HALLS to know how he should proceed respecting an oyster-house, kept by a Jew named Hart, in Brydges-street, Covent-garden, which was open at all hours of the night for the reception of prostitutes and all descriptions of bad characters, that swarm round the .theatres. At two and three o'clock in the morning, prostitutes might be seen standing at the door, inveigling and hauling in drunken men, and the scenes that took place within the house were most disgraceful. Those prostitutes and persons who were not admitted into _ _ f f - Maher H.'s," which is within a few doors, found ready access here. In fact, the house was in every respect like that which he named, only it was on a less expensive plan. Mr. HALLS regretted that he could afford no assistance. There was no law to regulate fish-shops, which were growing a very great nuisance. He recommended Mr. Thomas, how ever, to apply to the parish authorities, who might, in con junction with himself, devise some means to abate the evil complained of. MARY LEB ONE-OFFICE. —Honor 111' Carthy, an Irishwoman, was charged with being drunk and disorderly, in the Regent's Park. Edward Bidgood, a watchman under the Commissioners of Woods and Forests, found her at a late hour on Monday night, lying in a state of insensibility upon the pavement opposite York-terrace, with a large bladder half full of spirits, under her head as a bolster, and he took her to the watch-house. " Well," said Mr. GRIFFITH, " that bladder of gin, no doubt, made you a soft pillow ; but what hate you to say to getting drunk?—Honor said a great deal to iinplicute the bladder as accessory to her crime, but nothing to excul pate herself; and she was locked up for want of ss. to pay the tine imposed upon her for being drunk. MARLBOROUGH-STREET.--A man named French was charged with having plundered his master, Mr. Raper, a pork-butcher, in Titchborne-street, Haymarket, to a large amount ; and a groom, named Henry Mountain, was charged with receiving the stolen property. A hackney coachman, named Benjamin Beddington, was also placed at the bar, on a charge of having rescued Mountain from custody, with a felonious intent. Mr. Raper described the system of plunder which had been carried on by the prisoner, for a considerable period, and estimated his loss at above 7001. French had been detected on various occasions in disposing of the stolen property to Mountain, and it was in endeavouring to secure Mountain, that a respectable trades man was assaulted by Beddington, who rescued the prisoner from his custody. The prisoners underwent a long exami nation before Mr. CONANT, who said he should commit Beddington to Newgate for the rescue, and ordered them to be brought up for final examination on Thursday. Mn. ROE . AND Mn. CaaPtix.—Before the parties in this case quitted the office on Monday evening, and after Mr. Roe had desired Mr. Bishop, the clerk, to take down the evidence of several of Mr. Carpue's pupils, with a view of sending the case before the Grand Jury, Mr. Carpue con sented, at the suggestion (we believe) of the gentleman I who accompanied, him to the office, to make the unquali fied apology which the Magistrate required, and Mr. Roe having expressed himself satisfied with Mr. Carpue's ad mission that he had acted wrong, the affair terminated, of. course, without Mr. Carpue's entering into his recognizance, to answer the charge at the Sessions, which Mr. Roe had, in the first instance, insisted upon. 'George Heath, one of the drivers of , the Paddington coaches, was charged with . an outrageous . assault. On Monday night, a respectable young man, named Jamison, his wife, and another female, were returning home along Oxford-street, when they were surrounded by the prisoner and about 2.0 other men, who insulted Mr. Jamison and the females in a' very. indelicate manner, and attempted to take Mr. J.'s watch from his . fob. Upon the watchmen com ing. coming up, .theTellows ran away, but they were pur sued, and the prisoner was apprehended.—He was ordered to find good bail for his future appearance. UNION-HALL—A deaf and dumb man named Thomas Poirneary, was brought up l y Painter, the beadle of Bermondsey, charged with having deserted his wife, leaving her chargeable to the parish. Proof having been n givethat the deendant's wife had been for some time past receiving parish relief, she proceeded to state that her hus band absconded from home dur:ng 314 r absence at work, after having sold to a broker every article in their house, even including the beds which she and tier children had to lie upon. She had heard that he was cohabiting with another wom:a.,—how: true it was, , ,slte could not comotly state; brit ever since his desertion he had not tvritributeci t w , i t i t t l t t en hou st g a h te sl n heav t,;a ily wh aftl ici i l c i ted le a halfpenny to ber Sil ppp rt. n cain tra e di w c; P e l d l the charges alleged against him by his wife, accusing her= of pre Th par e ed de l f v e i n t d h an a having sinned the most, by leaving him for the embraces of another man, Who was afflicted with the loss of speech and bearing as he (the defendant) was himself. The ALtorsraaTx perceiving the statement to be ex ceedingly well written, asked who the writer of it was, and was told the defendant, who answered various questions, through the medium of his friend, by signs. It was stated the defendant had been educated at that excellent institution the school for the Deaf and Dumb. The beadle gave the wife a good character, but could say nothing favourable of her husband. The defendant was committed for two months to Brixton. A man, named Ezekiel Gentry, was charged with hy ing wounded a female, named Catharine Flynn, with a knife. It appeared that the complainant accompanied the prisoner to a house of ill fame, where an altercation took place between them, and he was requested to leave the house. Instead, however, of doiriesoy it was represented by each 'of the women, that the prisoner caught up a clasp knife off the table, and made several thrusts with it at the complainant, who, in order to save her body from being wounded, held up her arms, one of which was severely cut in her attempts to defend herself.--The prisoner was corn mitted for trial. CHRONOLOGY of NEW, SOUTH WALES. Jan. 26, 1789—The first landing was made in New South Wales. Dec. 1789—The first harvest was r c ,ed at Param a tt a . 1790—The first settler, James Ruse, took possession of his land. 1791—Twelve prisoners were located upon to Hawke*. bury, who in 1793 supplied twelve hundred bushels of corn to the public stores, being the first purchase of colo nial grain made by the government. 1796—The first play performed. 1803—The first , newspaper (Sydney Gazette) was printed—the first suicide occurred by a man hanging him self in gaol. 1805—The first colonial vessel built by Mr. James Un derwood. 1806—The first great Hawkesbury flood happened, wheat rising to 80s. per bushel, and bread to 2s. 9d. per lb., while a bushel of seed maize realised the enormous sum of 71. 1810—The first general muster of the population, stock, and cultivated land ; the first toll gates were built, cater pillars made their appearance, Sydney streets were regu lated and named, weekly markets established there, and the first publie races instituted. 1813—The first fair was held in the colony of Paramatta. 1817—The first bank (Sydney bank) was established; and the first Van Dieman's Land Bible Association esta blished, which has remitted 2,2501. to England. 1818—The first trim. con. tried. 1820—The first colonial tobacco sold. 1825—The first book (Bushby on Vineyards) reviewed, a premium for which review was given ; and the first breach of promise of marriage, "Cox against Payne," came before our colonial courts. 1826—The first public concert was held. A meeting on the subject of thb Grand Ship Canal, - has been held at MORRISON'S hotel. It was numerously and respectably attended, and after a protracted but undecisive discussion on the subject of the estimates, has been adjourned for three weeks, CATHOLICS OF KERRY.—The aggregate Meeting of the Catholics of Kerry is fixed for triday next, It is to take place in the Chapel of Killarney. The requi sition has seventy signatures, including the names of the Catholic Bishop and the Earl of KinimAßE.—Dublin Morning Register, Otir Martinmas Market is very throng to-day, partly owing to the fine weather, and there was altogether a good deal of business done. The quantity of butter and cheese at the market is unprecedently great. Butter sells at 18e. to 20s. and cheese at Os. to Bs. per Dutch stone, or g 4 imperial pounds. Blankets and plaiding at Is. to 4d. ; and country made tartan ls. 4d.. to le. '7d. per Sc9tch ell. There were a dumber of horses. on the hill, but few sold. The prices for draught horses were from 181. to 251., and for ponies from 61. to 121.: cows for norts Nut 04 to 7 4 101..-Inverness Journal, ALLEGED FORGERY OF A DOD. A m arisingmadeb oy o u s at t op f e e extraordinarye an c ne a as s mtu e et eooffin John alleged a shltau frilo was heard a few evenings since before the Alnste, the Rolls, after the trial of an issue directed by off !, Honour, the result of which has been the institue; t of criminal proceedings against Highfield for th leged forgery. Highfield, it appears, claimed tglo a deed of gift, said to have been executed by Joseph Ward, who formerly resided at in Staffordshire, and who died in 1819, at tbe o vanced age of 84. Highfield was formerly tee be of the estate o in question, called Bowers, w hich rented of its then owner, Mr. - Ward, wbo übe employ him to do all the work connected silt ' t he farm on which he (Mr. Ward) resided. Up on i o n: death of Mr. Ward, in 1819, sev e ral of his relatt'ate of the name of Peake, claimed the Bower 9 , e r e ld, under a will duly executed by Ward. aid' however, some time after, the death of Mr• t i of set up a deed of gift in opposition to the 4 a e 1 the Peakes, alleging that it had been ese ev :,, - vt o• Mr. Ward in September, 1818, with a vio l ; 1 ," i ' jel d vide for his (Highfield's) large family. By tit ha d it appeared that Mr. Ward (notwithstandine:oo many relatives of his own) conveyed the - 9 ' ° : et t to estate to Highfield, who was no way re' dby him. The validity of this d ee d b e ing diSPUtele * f the Messrs. Pealte, who in fact declared if tt b - s i forgery, a suit was instituted i n th e Court of -1i; eery. On its coming on for hearing before til e 1,0 1 ter of the Rolls, his Honour directed of lit, to try the validity of the a lleged deed '3 l trie d Such issue was accordingly prepared, an u , at the last Staffordshire Assizes, before Mr. ri t t Littledale and a special jury. A-deed of gift Ward to Highfield, of the Bowers' estate, was pr' dugwo gone l e ? o tandiam Ho igt o oh n fi ep t ird he o,s. e , a pt of brother thdeure ll_ a i fe g x h je fi oc e uh l nt d i,o e u v i d t e T y e s e sT.a : sw ore P s , i 4, tively to the fact of his having, in Septembe r, id, of accompanied the latter to the house of W . l ' r a vd Mill-miest, with the engrossment of the de e " ; ' ‘, the to its having been then executed by Ward, "', O O presence of him (William Highfield) a nd a P e ",,it , of the name of Hawley, who attested it 115 1 s i oir nesses. On the part of, the Messrs. Peake , ever, it was prove d t h at M r. W ar d h a d, bY '' E of given the estate to them, subject to the. po re t e t y hree legacies to the am oun t of about. 5001.; - or persons swore that t h e s i gnature to e deed , r porting to be Hawley' s , as a witness, was notfatlce, ley's handwriting. Th e most i m p or t a nt eviu'gr, however, to invalidate the deed was that 01 tveri Preston, as attorney of Bur s l em , w hich wa s P' l for the purpose of proving that the deed whielle alleged to have been executed by Mr. Ward, 1 i for tember, 1818, was not, in fact, prepared until °OO that gentleman's death, in Septemb e r, 1819. Mr. Preston's statement, it appeared t hat-iv I ." t he tember, 1819, he had prepared a deed of gift of Bowers' estate, to Highfield, according to 111 dee' tions furnished by him. A draught of thi s oo 3 ' was produced on the . trial ; and upon its being ecit, pared with the deed of gift which Highfield's ' nesses had sworn to have been executed 19 ,,,Y f o re Ward in September, 1818, (a twelvemonth u `De this draught was prepared) it was found t e . cc o. verbatim copy.of the draught, even with the je - e it racies which that paper contained. The ati,tgl9, appeared, had been altered from Septembe r P; wbo to September, 1818, by the desire of Hightle," tber stated that he wanted the date to agree with O A ° t he deed. From this and other evidence adcluee'efy; jury were of opinion that the deed tvas a Mg t o. and after a trial, which lasted nearly tw elve 1 1 .. ° e they returned a verdict invalidati l lg High i i n l gle; claim. The Counsel of the Mies;os.un diately applied to have the deed m tor the- purpose of founding against Highfield for the forgery ; and the r C made an order accordingly. Application iffy" cently made to the Master of the Rolls for to t trial, which was refused; and we understand peer' C criminal proceedings against H i g h fie ld h ove instituted. upon it a prosec_uotit:rt Pdc'eldkien THE MARKETS. DURING Barlay. Oats. t s. to s., s. to 00L tO ,01 26 'l6 17 53 / 2 s 35 21 38 28 32 23 2 5 40 ki 26 32 1t 2 3 40 6 1 26 -34 16 33 r,o 2s 34 21, 30 L i 511 28 32 16 20 iris 26 33 20 33 28 36 18 28 a !"I COUNTRY CORN MARK: Wheat. Per Quarter. s. to Boston 0 . 00...........••••••••• 50 55 Grantham 45 58 Grimsby. , 5O 5,1 42 47 Hull 42 53 Lincoln Spilsby 44 48 Stamford.-- 4O 5 , , ~5 1, York. — " . . HADDINGTON CORN MARKET.—No,'• , 3° ;,,t, • e The market was but scantily supplied with lv. i j 3 ', ' ; the general average has advanced a trifle. Th e l o t t I S rage is the same to a small fraction as last di)' dor , i ll ,-; new average has, declined ls. A f u ll market...of , 00 1 '7, t Oats, both of which met dull sales, and prices l i el i a bli-- f r ather downwards ; the avera ge o f eac h h a s I ' l /c og 4P. A middling supply o f B ean s an d P eas e; i ‘ Pease up, and of Bea ns d own . " 13 0W• 0 Wheat. Barley. Oats.' Pease. . sis o j First Gds Od 338 od Ng Od 33s 03 SO 0 , 1, Second s6s 04 30s Od 21a (k 1 30s 0 3 .ao p Third ~ .'' re' ( 0. There were 236 qrs. o f Wh eat in mar k et, l 9 4 w here° 4 4 ; 0 3 ...at...... 68s. Od. 3 ...at sss. 01 17... At ...... 4 " 0 5 ............ 67 0 8 3',....••• ". 4 1 0 3 . ........... 66 0 32 48 0 'T5".".......•••: 4.l 0 5 ............ 65 0 33 2 5 62 0 2 4 2 2 t 44 4 .67 57 Unsold s. 3° l . 0 1 1 835 1 4 : f : 4 tjj'n4 : 3 Average _ COTTON WOOL, LIST OF IMPORTS AND IMP MTS. rL a• I lY e t j r i.......... .....r .›....5..;, Bags, 11426 621) Lys WO Glasgow Total exported BIRTH S. 1 of C' ir . tain Bruce, R.N., of a. daughter. a v f - IPli Constable, Esq ., of a daughter, VilV 3' hamo o ,n n , tothhfeea2lsdsoto;innsit.ant, at North Berwick, the ia"Y On the 28th ul, at 9 9, Sloalle-street, the la 0 On the 2d inst. at Delamere-house, Lady Anne 1 , o; lo(IY James Young, Esq. of a son. 0 P i On the 4th inst. Mrs. Wm. Jones, Cresby-eq u/r-i son, still-born. , Hither-green, Lewisham; . A 0 On the 3d inst. at . Sydney-cottage, Har-W ste ''' John Sewell, of a son. • os jo On the Ist inst. the lady of Captain George . R.N., of a son, who survived but a few hours• MARRIED. 8100 oh, ° On theist inst. at St. George's church, lir Charles Oldaker, Esq. solicitor, to Henrietta. SkeilW youngest daughter of the Rev. Dr. Shepherd, pu. , . street, Russell-square. . Sol ll°' At Kafue, henry Benjamin Archer, Est? to rv ilP youngest daughter of the late Hon. William TaelcV Chamberlain, formerly one of the Justices of his I‘ ll 4 Court of King's Bench in Ireland. the -at II:iti:6158211 .72a87111 This year. Same Pe riod last year. Liverpool London Bags, B,c. '72'2,485' 66,114 Bags, &C' 4(5(5,745 booln 22,586 PAINTIIIP and PUBLISRXII by it. YOUNG, 141118 D 34, 11$, gitivid. '7 ROYAL Sje] TR, LINE/ One PACK Tiv c TIN One CRti7 for I May deb place, on in th e Fe In th e t °, S t Ward ' Pani c nn the k‘eiVed Which tj 4 VrOpc aboy eeln two reSp WOrd ac BRh oth T E du, giv e N o .That s aid CSC Leaknt , made 8 PRop i the Col 1 ' 1 1011.3 11011 T 1 tog et h el boil ha I)llPrie LI vent Rin i Perlin bitto Ditto Ditto J. J the R Pr end Ox fort and i adh e whi( UIS~ Luis] th e n S ~i~NCI iTiin Dise the I Shea Roy ; Ox.fi eaut that 15, Chej Or. --I.' —A —C Dall Co]] IMPORTED. ______— ,4 DIED. „ P :, On the 2d instant, at Spring Hill, Isle a NOP,'" an illness of six days, Mary, the wife of George S" • J Esq., of Bedford-square. On the 19th July last, at Cephalonia, Elizabeth , Wi g Duncan Macuab, Esq. Deputy Assistant-CounissarYV On the Ist. inst. at Hackney-terrace , Mr. IP Nalder, in his 61st year. On the 29th ult. Margaret Clarke, wife of the ve. Edward Chaplin, Camden-town. 0" , On the let inst. in Hans-place, Sloa ne-street' Emma Lance. 0' On the 27th ult. at Wotton,. Surrey, Johnstrelyos aged 85. „cep On the 3d inst. at Kingsbury , St. Alban's, " ~,• Smith, Esq. of , . On the 2d inst. Mrs. Scaf e, Brom p ton, relief Scafe, Esq. Greenwich, aged 79. fl , p( the 11th October , at sea , on boa rd the 00 land, Robert, second son of Mr. Thomas Rowe? Carlisle, aged 21. .6Q