The Sun. — London, England, 1831-10-05 00:00:00

• /-- fIIIMINGHAM. GRAND MEETING of the BIRMINGHAM AND OTHER P O LITI CAL UNIONS of the MIDLAND DI STR IC T S . On Mo n d ay, in pursuance of advertk*Sernents issued by the Coilncil of the Birmingham Union . , public Meeting of the in: habitants of that tmen and neighbourhood took hall Hill, for the place oh Nete. that the public enthusiasm i e n m ta ' s Ur a ot ihe Reform tin is hot PurPoSe of d on demonstrating to the Ilouge of Ltirde abated, and in order to petition th v e u Ri ht Holt. House to give Withotheir final sanction in carryig that great g measure into a law prenout delay. There never Was; we may safely asSert, any us oee ss i cid upat itch SUCH a deep dud thilVerSal hitc i ite , . P:sae„ll.l2etl-atled site public': mind of Birmingham and its neighs able .. Notwithstanding the numerous and highly respect ts"."`er-ting which took place for a similar purpose under the e tt .peiees of the High Itailiff'so late as Friday last, the inhabitants molt et4reePttioegi; d m e ee ee t i i e n pe g of Monday as the one *high ' ' • ' and in this they w triumph, would the state of public feeling ;. were not mistaken The diy was ushered in like a day of ithh,,e,in,tb_i-tasY the rin.ini of the ' church bells, and br ten " o'clock nts were' upon a general move to the place or 17 ( Frst h N er e i " ies- t h r' e l t fi 'sed oPon for the scene of this antapn iii he Hill -a large !a ant spot ofgroun.d situated l ntne Purpose 1 urhs Of the town, and peculiarly Well forme( for . such forniofo. It Consists of about twelve acres of rising land, were raneialillPhi theatre. In the Valley a ntimher of rwoaff:te,"; in O l e t o tho e hal ii a half eirele i the centre one beln the_ meeting riEn4n and the various speakers w g hp ap . p adSressed Union h.,_ ; Abotit halfpast eleven o'clock the Birmingham &,e,. ai l a c• , uF , l by IVlessrs. Attwood, Scholefield, Muntz, Jones, d but such ;:: r •- : (1 ,,e 4 , by the band, began to arrive on the ground before all h,,,i;!o",Ftr numbeis, that a consi d erable The scene elapsed ti ; nioinent wa zen i heir stations on the round, s Th oe At ferent points of th Perteet IY altirriated p.q scelle at L i Ti l ed, on wh i „,, e Proeetision, various sp lendid banners 7 . e . ::ter w e h oti , irt Were as varied dericps arid mdttos . ; ati . t? g T! arl gr e „ e t eci, " Williain the Fourth, the POOPIe 8 HPI'C'. a ",by hi s '.. -- rnd lust tights Of Iti doveed, we will then and ,the r •,;; "Mel% The device of a with an olive bough, and ,the with the motto, " Attwood, Union, Liberty " ' a Wie e. .` raX.ation without pi is tyranny.. ' let vcotd rn"_Skipwith and the independent Representatives let it he ‘orttform." ' " Let it be impressed upon your minds, Pre ss is rh instilled into your children that the liberty 9f the }ti ghts,. e, P „ all adititn 01' all ' ell ' Political, and Religious "Ur 1V ' Ittr,vta, „l_o,nton, tintll England is regenerated, t:lratig ofizirtogigrtland redressed." " The best security for the asseQl t ° deserib t e l, T h People's love. PlatfortZ • e t?n the Hof I is ti t i i i t s ter m y e r t pr:sasgiribliteaednet eouanplcTlarlludeetalcen their stations on the , thoosao,i upon toe lowest cotnputation, not less than eighty hl.the e%Persons half an within the range Of vision ; and "'ee 1.1o?'" - se of half an hottr after Wards, When the Staffbrd ,_ .ealculate,Thas grrivea upon the ground, "'oder. - ''Y some t oo on, ,1 10,.. dtei 3 , 5 ,,,..... a considerably above.lUtViutteMi ininineh he number present was: kin d ' of thatV 4 . ll lg, the numbers could not posa iy Mount The spectacle was the Most splebdid Of the hill - w e ev er 4 hoti ih eh cr remember to have witnessed. On the ridge of the fili t twe6i. ,orvlied the amphitheatre, the banners, in number 1, ' finish "‘l i Were placed at equal distances, and gave a beauti erh,e„, to th e _... sity lI L on the rvutlective. Among otherdistinguished persons It o t i Ut ms_ occasion, drawn to the spot by motives of curio ere Prince s ou einohe (the"took no part in the proceedings, Nr_ the Cl i brother' of the elebrated Prophet of w that name). ;itt,w'o'a nberlain to the King of Prussia. They accompanied o f '`' fo r thy, ,to 1-. woorn they had been introduced by Mr yoth e s- n ..irroin4..purpose of witnessing the progre . ss and perfec r _,, rit4ressio€s"ans manu factures-they had likewise the fortune O_I gt aAtter 4,1'„ 4Paralleled exhibition of Birmingham publicsi a4re.raoltire-ualotiinegsa considerable time Par the arrival ofthe th b ri r e v,tio' o l • ) „ I‘,Or:ls DSat length rose, and after a _few introductory e t . e .11 14 1 ,..„1x ) 5ed, " That Thomas Attwoed, lire„„ hair,„ Posat was received With three ea bui then rose and Es three.k e the sehiatea hib...9,,T. HOMAS ATTWOOD, Esq , amidst the most ',o,n'itit'pit vh - eo se r lt_tn the immense assemblage, lin h .?a thot tsao l . I h t . gave him great i.leszerritorat eneuresiwes great:,et;hathere Imsieenht.ed se o l e e w s i , t d n e e y s s e l t e h p e . , and it gave . him more p 1-e aS t h u e r m e roleical f i j i . i k ntnv list s °f me at the call of the Birmingham tutinettieneewiirP--of that n patriotic body, wh t, .. hto .. telt not 'ti - - on lythroughout all the towns of that dine t 4 , 4 „ t ,ed he 4448in:tut every part of England-(Cheers)-he ti o ,'"4h k he,-•r•gr;ithsanhreughOut every part . of the world where ~t h e ora h °W th " strell the qualm e strict legality By the geace, i ngtish feelings dwelt. He (Mr. A.) woulo wer e ,r, and t i 7 nad aequlred that strength ? . . iese their giant W otilr il ' and rl' by which they had gathered p of all their proceeding . i u f which they a ria .. nse th„t strength were the qlialities by ni _a lustialness o'` r i e :gth lir the recovery otlt e h us ri u ghts_,_ liberties, s Whe e n the Union was eTt iT•tler.....,(ithaley, wereto &4it e friends that they woul h d d h t rae t slilje;ec.f)ee:bnl7°?ditigaZhYwvaefne tuuVo t il i g is f pe or r t i h ed em ef Mr. .A.,,, band: -r om ,as,hil -errupted by the arrival of an immense assererir gri,o...,.bao,or.. eof the S taffbrdshire Political Unions . , w_iton the ti k ie ,7a t r ) a s e( 7 , :z p e tt? the number wpich had receivedthenarriv_ed ., n th rn re e n 8 ' '?,Hotta trettleVotur lause and 000. 'They were ap w with agr e4 e4,,Nl r. ttrilsing front tf% e a e c rs cession of numbers had sub that;;TrY inter",,_ P r oceeded.) He was about to say, when so abl e w hen h, 0,1 1, e01 by the arrival of these Staffordshire f tnillic?„Q.°"tronldthb.e,e informed that the .IT get two istro„. . Strj h ,_!- Oblgarchy., he had saio ‘ .... ni,on will would r n i ot be we e n the hand of i l k , ou4s4a i n a d lir,,',.Z o tl we will place each sting 0 !tvill twistthole strings int? a thet'h'e„..eablet.ge„,e2Pes, a nde w will twist those ropes into one nfo --(ei;e (4 f. e ;'. l . by Means of that cable we will put a hook i n th 'erso)b, oft4ltimh, and guide and govern him at our pleasure, , a n th e l 'ose I __( ' o w ? " s d M A., " have we not put a h . o k ‘tcl-,•erot.„ ,ai r. h ve we o we t ot the strings ai l lB fr, - ,l' a nd the c able: n w d ell ? a -have we not thwarted that ittro,‘;‘aS stroo4el'ee behind the Throne which Lord C a h i a n tl: n a a m t th, ioe, in...erthan the Throne itself? He would e 1 ed x t p he King, Lo h je s rds,47..ce ofthe Oligarchy that had . g p ed of an Aria t4erae--that i t "he People. He did not say It was the House of ‘ - , - h tit i' asso e .°P. and Illustrious House, er e Nt w as aled with so many great and e g em lori e ci s usreco a l f lec w t h ir m s a ''rl f . e hlber • 44 ' of about 150 individuals, and d Conn ,lek,ohtisr4'tlui.e.,,'4f that Right Hon House, and N 5 some had secretly , h usurped the powers of King, Lords, an ..e., 'aile d - Way . .... 4 ( 1 In fact governed everything in England with . _d_ y ''' I ( l ' el iga'r e ph bee . e s.) These were the men who were , rig o htl oo „._' hy ohn ae.eo--,S,''. and whose dominion now com r h e g o t ired. ...'utitroi,%eYihg thPu,shing this great work no violence l2ne t ;'` the i s , e , /sv," said ' Mr. A., " we two millions the g e e n t!)l.t r e eably: as-oAlieeirs.) They nal and t determined asso beeomew. po as we c i l •ful to ...1 4,12 rt nry -el ve the li b e elty! ' tTe o h n a e p g Y n a es n s, and the prosperity ef l ges t ;'.ki th t a nd he should like to know what power there was in 513,?, til)°,;(tro,eriaitirlidtresist a power like this.-(Cheers) foTrthyeymerrst hass.-,(hh ‘1 ; ( 1 . a nation s tir ° r c ; ka f F e ayette . , had told as fa ient e that she wills i'ithreoct'ui.a.geeerh „Looaround r at e this itw immense and magnificent si ,odi gi :s po re '"e Very heart of England, where the English i ~s.'i l por t 'ttiS iriss:onp,.tlncontaminated with foreign allo t y e -see h 1-1,2.840 r 130,„,,or_av_e and.upright men . ass . em_bl i ed og- g King-and who, the,.ets_h h2,osiiee-iTo,_aOrl _gracious, and patriotic K ether to pass, and tlii : f o , e -i . .. 4 o.wiii4 to:fore them, could possibly doubt that the i', 11 ,0j i1( 'n 1 (..4 . 1 ,. Must pa ss at ,the Bill of Reform should And did they not see at Lird e t , rs, , i; , i -oa t the ? ( e ) Briti-sh e n h ati e o r i s i .. was lifting up its mighty e er o l , l , z,th 'eeftill and legally shaking off the oppressive feedttur e e i e heetr.lr wet productive energies and happiness of her The Holy gai, t he4(l said te.;l,tPed down.-(Loud chee e rs. f srael that do 1 1.,,, , t ; thr-rve s 4 ,1 %, oe unto the h neglect their s t hi' '. It Sh hher t t h flock at their an` I'eoi, ws, th „,_ a., and I will require t e fl e o p e h k e . rds Therefore I am h o , ha t .of tn retore, said Mr. Attwood, that we removed li e ',t) ''',,..t I,Lep.ritland from the care of the Oligarehy, but ,'le. th e c,.` t nern in the hands of eleven huitared the k "e ki , tttr o ,,,-, own next.door neighbours and friends. oar pi seeted-o) knew that the " system worked well, v„,, ) h0,,,,es hip dand affirmed that it worked well only for v -r e holt Irian -,,,r6ne,s of socl i ty. He defied them to point out n iCh ' ro t a'hi e ', - ,, e ' "ad b een e benefitted by it. Now the Lords hteltrted;en. :. i,--ey were, he believed honourable and .up tlo ~theiralkt npril-:lleved they were the' most humane, kind niell',`" lariat li gre t. Men, generally speaking, in the count? ; h h „ Il reil rh isfortune was, that they were born in . .he ~\ r 'ere t s , ,' , Il i ,: ekhouds., and never touched the earth on which run - gro ' oesn. J. "ad been d 'ed by flatterers and syco , ila t; w o 1 sine s , ro _ eceiv `-. in s , In th tikelyz. been and given to believe that the people When they Ati,, tee to e tro th rnl in the cause of Reform. ~ oe rar th e t „,_, no d to Tnen in England would be more rea y ed apt 6 1 . tfce7Ple than the ancient and universally respect . ' - ' l lt , Lhe y :: a shoau,fid- :Prey would not wish to :t fob offt tastethe - ,. 1 ,9 h t .' 4 4rtis e " r o t i rld t it ; torlreihtety which yet thehn ou e s e e r mu of humbug, s tt, '" :4 , o4t , th e itireo! rePreseune tativ i es l :a a bl m e e a r n e d willing to restore ago e nd t 'e wi s h - ests of the people As soon as the . Lords uh ere4earl°ti_hero.es,,,f the people, they would be quite certain i"hroi„l ) l,6,„le wh o ' ne meeting would recollect that tw . o years 41 , - "gh sh ,' , t o h e ,Of the more affluent classes in Birmingham LiLet,t'ett..-Zfrapine„terM• Now they saw that the whole of el' . i t - 8 a ct - i ll th e '.e . ! and employed-had all come f e orw m a m r e ;;,,, W t. . 1 , 1 , ~ , , , ,, , „ ,0 a eptt.,,, tt':;locuasteisec,,f a v r .,,, 1 , ? sh ( o c u i r eer n s: t th ) Undoubt ,lt , e erz, Pi , an; ~,,and if the Lords should possibly err to-day, :sri,is, ih,, kr, 4.ean certain that they would err to-morrow. P"4 s 4 h t ? kin, ~'wood concluded in the following r s ttoi' r ele ht %in tV P ,, e f so nallY, that we owe more in this gr eat gr " t 4lin g i i)() s a ii, '•° anY other human being in existence. : r eti cii . ; in k !ni l at l__ er . has said, that to see an honest man ;era,t't 4 ,;. 'a9,,, Geir_ersltY and preserving his integrity, was . a 4% I N iiis 4 till.; thernselves might contemplate with .satis ,eqn,,°/ hi ° %tin g X°llbtedly true; but it is equally true, that to rrlipki, th4rPeopi own from his throne, and feeling for the mi jaali hjed t o Wro4and deterrriining to relieve their miseries and t, e 2rhih i tite t ,,, , ,_ . a sight Which Providence might well h 4k 4, 1 hj e nct 0 , 1 ; a ~,r-'4lle..ilveith satisfaction. I will now uponcalll eheof th e e of ' o s th e e lton, /I'l, .and that spectacle shall be o ti , Jus t (i ur l iat ‘ ,, ni g. , in_pout to desire to allah words, 111 ‘,,. ith , (11.41 , 504 rh_,Lnerefere that you will e , oi l , h 08 b oth ," YOU and look up to the heavens, w_he_re I,ll444nitrrieewsrt ;,nowneatl.,:ri and earth . , and tha t u , o i t c i ih wi . l!g_ry , 44 4 0 n4 li t e i: I tl y stliii,neh wit h here Presented .it 6 s i el i f blesswas beautiful, and 4. r es v orce, l ',1) to he:•.i. Every head was uncovered-everY face dirtl.4 i),,,,,,,40--and at one moment a hundred thou -1 1.. „ K4 hd.l.;ll(yeat no i lV..he cry, " God bless the King.' q. 't he . ' he stdie:lE.Li..):7,pe Most deafening cheers.) resolution, teltehlle.use t'etlieeed thretsikt to. mPve the r theirlate;Zfroirt a,; °e ,.. (l s, and t ' rese thereby, would !hro t a sse ht ?tad th e l t ,,Y" Of rinser ' Y. w ' rl' u n t i o t u was awful to con- LI its p h nt st state, would tradie alholn ;),4 Meas - r - p u - s e Of Lords be so le ill-advised as to refuse yt?:aptio,`..s three u k i alTroved „s'foh.,,th st ;If petiiinerciars• concluded by movirr,g r-rie, .orth '.'err Lordsh• I 4 every disinterested person to the House of Lords, earnestly Ni t , Dies a ~with, unini„,, l „Ps, will be Pleased _ to pass the Bill of tisoi Eb4Li pro vision' s ' --" and mutilated in any of its great ' , 41 )1c ‘;',. a st.'„Nl)- 3 second the resolution. The King-whose'Nl ~.ertre.Wer of strenedt i - tne r , i e . ht e , in i stron n 11111-now stood forward as an impreg- ,le (... I ,_ ) 1,,,.15 the l ost ? ri 0 people's cause, and determined ii`nne st "n 4 % , ` wheo h e p? and liberties of his subjects.- ~,nt,,i;..ntitoei„ the h 005.„.; no in addition to the power of ;>,,trii,), 0 7 th ey ' I Z , , he conktooompre him, all animated woh the th e tr Us setsits ofssesed, the h elp connecting with the moral • ,, , , ,%.ao d etici o. the coo„ try i; Ysical power which, in any heed,emer might be called into instatl b, , e Co,' Of t, 19r, Sorry a 8 , 4 Ck,,,, h Qh WI, iglishinen . , sould ',"C . I N ,`•._Y ph,..in loos, i_,iiteehould not be c oncealedthat there hluir, it ,`?.•s ec .. %1 Power"! 1111,._,Fe:Asilloit wort , h a h straw unless , t l4 ,, i a , ;iitpe orlos;,(ituir. I....)"tartlrdeyotecz seiemnemhemr e onside deotteadnorex- ,l e ~o t t i ,.han d a t J.__tion of.the House of Lords, and he then p`- ver,;"‘nt, sod"7.atrer . of the Morning Chronicle-a Journal i n k,, vthn laent___in "wil,s_7(!red in sorne degree connected with I\':ltoti al4l"athW adcrned eh wa s.containect a list of the Noble .„iphil---(o roans) ,),„__ 0. , e British Peerage. There were 23 i r gto„ ,,....... t ours, his Grace the Duke of Wel or, Ot h '. a. , d mucb as he respec.ed and admired the Dukeof ''fit e ranked P e ral, yet, as a Minister, a Statesman, or a 1,4r.1..re ~,,,..ee.ess4ri t roll as an imbecile, destitute of that common r rini ss ' e r . e io the q a th e PrOper conducting of a nation's affairs. rvo ty s, Os i , No p,,Pae of Lords, in addition to the Dukes, 26 tenchth„rd , d, rlsh pe-e7:18! 23 Viscounts, 143 Barons 16 Scotch l .° is- 4 Y, th st i ord 39 Fathers in God. Of the latter he it'tl'l'lliclet*s'if Ihey"e . y really were what their titles pronounced t h irli 7 _ tiederoanateaPiarticie in that philanthropic benevo noti t 1 4 ve re the real possessors of that • ••rt of rhht great Master whom they served (4 et, Dt th e so gracious a title --they 4 1e ,'O oi l 4''lnned grace, in IA 9e it i , e; 'e Of tkliNsenr ~,c,a,i,„ f 4': e tio ll .) of w i "err fellow-cou t' • °I. would, by their pa ever entitle themselves to ~.. re the appointed guardians he af vnristian people.- abo,: of aw; heir they we h r Dnen, and firmly establish the ‘, a, nowlll,llit them great and r t'lleif ho w e'Yal and 0 41 , to „.devoived p enr!_t nothing Would SatiSfy eSpo(CShibeelerB.d)utc; UponTndthhee :he i' . , t ` z i n n activ e the people of f'. e woo/' I to Prett r I ' _ e. rton . anee of their duty. The balance .it a i ei.. or k is .... ir, al p';',,,tl.lATtoiseAbetween the two parties of ~I,'en s . h e tt thst:,,Z Pre Itev. " I-! tfm Erlich erfre, the victory was to da, will tletertintiss quiescence open neu ‘ t a r r 'ysh°l. tinder such t he Bi s h led °PPostion. The qaultstiwounuhl be as fatal as oirs desert the ple ? --.r,, , the COMblneHouse of Lords were not infinitely more reckless of their own fate or their country's peace than he conceived they were, they would pass the BiU ; but itthey rejected it (which God•forbid) let them pay the penalty they will incur by thus tearing the seal from their constitutional bond. Such conduct would make him (Mr. E.) for one, play the part of Shylock. But the Bill must and will be passed. Should the Lords reject the Bill, and should the King refuse the Creatidn of Peers, then it remained for the people to put In ac tido :I lA*o' *if w fen all eon/titutiodal writers admittedadmitted theyhad a right to ettercise When, Govertirdent. Was tyranficitisl; opposett to the great majority of the nation. The power to which he al luded had driven an anointed King from the Throne of England, and was equally competent to drive an unanointed Peerage from the „House of Lords. They were oil acquainted with a peaceful, orderly, and most respectable body of men called Quakers, to whose example he wished specially to call the attention of the meeting. This respectable sect of Christian&refu.ed to support a parson, but in their opposition they did not knock out the jibint of the tithe-eollector—they simply kuffered a distraint to tie le titd Upon their goods. Now, if the guakefs refused ttil Vey the tithes, the people generally might refuse to pay. the taxes ; and if the bailiff came, he should like to know where they would find the auctioneer who would dare to sell, or the people Who would dare to buy.(Cheers.) The voice of the auctioneer, he conceived, would be passive, not active; mid rather than knocking down, he would be himself knocked down.—(Cheers and laughter.) He (Mr. E.) declared before God, that if all con iltibitional modes of obtaining the success of the Reform measure failed, he should and would be the first man to refuse the pay tnent of taxes, except by a levy upon his goods.—(Tremendo • s cheering for some mintites.) " I no* call upon all who hear me, And Who are prepared to join me In this step, to hold up their hands."—(An immense forest of hands was immediately elevated, accompanied by loud cheering.) now call upon you who are not prepared to adopt this course, to hold up your hands and signify, your dissent—(not a single hand appearing, loud shouts and cheers were repeated.)'.' " Mark my words-rfailing all other more constitutional means." Mr. Edniorfds concluded a long and eloquent speech by calling upon the meeting to proceed le gally for the attainment of their object. They it was who had most to fear frOrn force or violence ; but if the crisis should ar rive when force was necessary, lie did suit fear the result. Much as he dreaded revolution—sanguinary si was the French Revo lution—he could not but recollect that in wars of despotism more lives had been lost in one battle than in all the conflicts of a re volutionary contest The CHAIRMAN put the motion to the meeting, which was carried unanimously with loud applause. G. F. MUNTZ, Esq. moved an Addres's to his Majesty. ' The Rev. T. M. M.DONNELL, in seconding the resolution, said he knew the Bill must pass, or, as Mr. Turner said at the late meeting at the Royal Hotel, it shalt Pass. The Rev. Gen tleman concluded by seconding the motiorf which was carried with loud applause.__ . ' .. • Mr. W. WESTON proposed the adoption of a memorial to Lord Grey, declari , ,g that the Memorialists wfll never despair of carrying the Bill of Reform into a law, peicefully and constitu tionally, so long as his Lordship continues atthe head of his Ma jesty's Councils; but should his Lordship be induced to resign, either from the difficulties and supposed 'dangers which sur. round him,. or from distrust of the efficient•support of the people, the memorialists would, in that case, altogether despair of the safety of their country, and respectfully but' rnost earnestly in_ treating that his Lordship will, under no circhmstances what soever' be induced to resign the • hi g h and important stat i on which he holds, so long as his Lordship retains the confidence of his Majesty. Mr. P. HAYNES—As you are aware, my countrymen, we are met to the number of 150,000, to petition the Lords to pass the BilL—(Hear.) The question has been frequently asked, " Will the Lords pass the Bill ?" . I answer the question by proposing another—dare they refuse it ? (Loud cheers.) Supposing the English people were foolish enough to co sent to pay taxes for the supply of an army, where would it be found ?—(Hear.) Would the gallant men who have reaped immortal honours in foreign lands, consent to tarni , h those honours, by murdering their wives, their friends, and relatives ?—(Loud cries of " No, no.") To support the tyranny of 400 men over 16,000,000, would they imbrue their swords in the blood of their countrymen ? There is not a town, nor village, nor even a hamlet, which had not contributed one or more brave men to fill up the ranks of our army ; and will these men, at the call of the boroughmongers, come forth to shed the blood of their relatives upon their fathers' graves ? The supposition is ridiculous.—(Cheers.) The feeling of the people Cannot longer be trifled with ; they are already so fettered, so degraded, so :.bused, that life has no charm but in the hope of returning freedom.—(Loud cheers.) Therefore delay must not, cannot be indulged. The Peers will learn, to their unavailing sorrow, that if the ILords will not pass the Bill, the people will pass the Lords—(Cheers) —they will find, that though the King can make Peers, the people can un make them—(Cheersl—they will find, in fact, that we can spare Peers infinitely better than we can spare our hearts' blood.— (Tremendous cheering) God forbid that our country should be illumined wit,, the fires of general conflagration, or that our native plains should be wet with the blood of massacre. —(Loud cheers.) But do not let us tamely submit to be branded by theboroughmongers as slaves. But even upon revolution, I would observe that revolutions in England, unlike revolutions in other countries—in Greece, Rome, France, Sweden, and Den. mark—have always ended in favour of the people.—(Hear, hear.) Revolution gave us the Great Charter ; other revolutions gave us boons nearly as great ; the revolution of 1688 gave us the Bill of Rights, and may the genius of the British Constitution direct that the bloodless revo ution of 1831 will emancipate us from the thraldom of the boroughmongers, and give us the Bill of Reform. —(Loud cheers.) The House of Peers is not the representative of the real English Nobility ; it is the representative of upstart boroughmongers. The old Peers who led our fathers on to con quest and liberty—the Norfolks who swept with the besom of destruction the Spanish Armada from the ocean, and the other illustrious individuals, the descendants of those who wrested Magna Charta from the tyrant John—these men, I say, behold with indignation, the warfare which the new creations carry on against the liberty of the people under the sanction of their once respected names.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) They saw with re gret the vagaries o f such men as the Marquis of Cracked Win dows (who, by the bye, may be cracked elsewhere), and they call upon the King and the people to rise and rescue them from their unwilling degradation.—( Loud cheers.) Mr. O'BRIEN, the Editor of the Midland Representative, said, that so long as he was Editor of that Newspaper, the columns of that publication should be open for the redress of all just griev ances, and the exposure of local abuses. Mr. B. HADLEY moved the fourth resolution, and hoped that the meeting would pass that resolution, which was expressive of its gratitude to Lords Althorp and Russell, with a long and h efftyAye Mr. HIPKISS seconded the resolution. He knew that they would, with a unanimous voice, send to that House a gentleman who was now before them, as one who would represent their in terests—and that gentleman was Mr. T. Attwood. The resolution was then passed unanimously. Mr. JENNINGS proposed the next resolution, and said thee, the Lords, had been told, that on the question of Reform, the people of England had declined in spirit; it was needless for him to say that the report was false, and that the Lords had been the victims of delusion. He would recommend that House not to go too far, for even the patience of Englishmen might be worn out.• Mr. BETTS seconded the resolution, which was then passed. The Rev. Dr. WADE (Rector of St. Nicholas, Warwick), on moving the sixth resolution, spoke as follows Chairman and Gentlemen : Far be it from me to use the language of me nace, or intimidation, and still farther be it from me to conceal my conviction, that unless the Lords do concur in carrying the Bill into a law, what with financial embarrassments, commercial and agricultural distress, oppressive taxation, brought on by unjust wars and profligate expenditure, sooner or later, tumult and civil commotion, and a change in our political institutions, must take place, and God defend this once happy country from a breaking up of the Constitution and all its accompanying horrors Our beloved Monarch, and a great majority of the House of Commons, have proved themselves faithful guardians of the British Consti tution, and honest trustees of the national welfare, by conscien tiously performing their duty—if the Lords refuse to do likewise —if these political Sampsons add mental blindness to th'eir strength, and disappoint the hopes of millions, they would for feit that public opinion and " attachment of the people by which alone," as Lord Althorp recently observed, ' they are sup ported." Upon them, at this awful crisis, depends the dread al ternative of national weal or woe—of conservation or destruc. tion. But I trust the Lords will not be mad enough to come to extremities with the people. The Rev. Doctor then concluded an eloquent speech by imploring that Providence would enlighten the minds and hearts of the Lords of the United Empire.— (Loud cheering.) Mr. COOKE, of Dudley, seconded the resolution. The whole of the resolutions having now been passed, Mr. T. C. SALT proposed that Mr. Attwood should leave the Chair, and that Joshua Scholefield, Esq. should occupy the place of that gentleman. He would onl keep them for a moment to give them a treat, which was, to offer to their notice a man who had called forth the people of England by the spell of h is virtues and his genius —that man was Mr. Attwood. Hisvoice had been heard throughout England, and the people of the county were seen that day flocking at his call from tooth under and over the earth. (Mr. Salt alluded, by his expression, to the fact of many hundred colliers having lett their work in the coal-pits t o attend the meet ing.) Mr. S. concluded by moving a vote of thanks to Mr. Att wood for his conduct in the Chair. Mr. REG A/4,WKidderminster, seconded the resolution. Mr. ATTWOOD, in acknowledging the flattering approbation which he had received, took occasion to explain his conduct in consenting to assist at the formidable meetings which he had the honour to promote. He had been much censured for exciting the mass of the people upon subjects vital to their interests and to those of the country. He was aware of the responsibility which lie had thus incurred, and he could assure the meeting, that it was not lightly or inconsiderately. For fifteen years together he had la boured incessantly in all other kinds of exertions to arrest the merciless and remorseless course of the oligarchy. All his efforts had been in vain. He saw the ship, as it were, running upon the rocks,. he saw the Captain dead drunk (he meant by the Captain the Duke of Wellington) —he saw the officers all playing at cards, &c. In this dreadful position he had determined upon appealing to the crew ! Had he not done right in so doing ? (Cheers.) Remember the Rothsay Castle ! If the passengers had there called upon the crew, the vessel might have been se. cured, and a hundred valuable lives preserved to their families. He (Mr. Attwood) would do the best in his power to prevent the good ship Britannia from coming to the same fate as the Rothsay Castle, It was with this good object that he had been induced to assist in these great and formidable combinations, but be had not moved until the last extremity.—(Loud cheers.) At the conclusion of Mr. Attwood's speech, three cheers were given for the King, three for the Reformßill, a farewell cheer for the country visitors of the meeting, three cheers for Mr. G. Edmonds, and a long discordant groan for the expiring borough mongers. The meeting then, in a peaceful and orderly m anlier, dispersed. ong e r. s THE MARKETS.-(THIS DAY.) CORN EXCHANGE. - The arrivals of most kinds of Grain this week are moderate, owing to the contrary state of wind. The Wheat trade remains excessively dull at Monday's prices. Barley also meets a heavy sale. Beans and Pease unaltered. Oa ts find bu y ers slow ly, but are not cheaper than on Monday. The Flour trade remai ns unsettled. ARRIVALS. Wheat. Barley. Oats. Flour. English Irish 1,848 qrs. 740 qrs. 1,376 qrs.l I,o9.ssacks ......... 273 Foreign .. . -- I 95 -- brig. Despatches were this morning brought to :the Colonial-offic e , Sir GEOR GE H ILL, Bart. the G overnor a nd Vice Admiral by Captain HOPE, from the R i g ht Ho n. of the Island of St. Vincent's. Despatches were also received this morning at the Colonial-office, from Colonel F.•CocssURN the Governor of Honduras. 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The Noble Lord said he had twenty-two other petitions of a similar nature to present from various parts of Scotland, and fallowing the example set by Noble Lords last night, be should take this method of presenting teem, not, however, from any disrespect towards the petitioners. but for the convenience of the House ; they were all numerously and respectably signed, and couched in respectful language. Upon one petition, however, be wished to make a few remarks. It was from the import ant town of Aberdeen, and signed by 5,000 of the in• habitants. As a proof of the feeling that pervaded all classes, he would observe that the Principal of the University proposed one of the resolutions, and another pi the speakers was a person who had formerly petitioned for annual Parliaments and universal suffrage. The peti tioners declared that it was a gross and false libel to say that the people had become indifferent to Reform— (Hear, hear, hear)—they stated that the people were as anxious for the passing of the Bill as ever, and they looked' with dismay to the consequences that would result in Scotland from its rejection.—(Hear.) The Noble Lord then presented petitions from the in habitants of Kirkaldy, signed by 1,353 persons, from the Town Council and Magistrates of the same Royal Burgh, from Markhill, Blackford, Cornwath, Haddington, Ken muir (signed by 1,000 persons), Abernethy, Ailie, front a Society of Precurators, from Renfrew, from a Political Union in Fifesliire, from Lawrence Kirk (signed by 700 persons), from the Incorporated Trades. of Aberdeen, Eas tern Anstruther, the Trades of Dundee, and various other places. Lord MINTO confirmed the statement of the Noble Lord as to the state of feeling in Scotland for the success of the English Bill of Reform. The people of that country were infinitely too intelligent not to know that their prosperity was bound up with that of England.---(Hear.) The Noble Lord presented petitions from Howick, signed by 1,100 persons, and from Melrose and Jedburgb. The Duke of DEVONSHIRE presented a petition from the coun'y of Derby, agreed to at a public meeting on Saturday last, in favour of Reform. It had lain for signa ture only seven hours, and during that short period 2,558 persons signed it. The Noble Duke also presented a peti tion from the town of Derby, signed by 4,417 inhabitants. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said he was wholly unknown in Derby, but he had received a letter from a la ighly respectable solicitor, residing in that town, Mr. Thomas Mosely, stating that the resolutions and petition were drawn up by one or two violent democrats, and were couched in such strong language that the Mayor left the meeting, at which not more than 700 or 800 persona were present ; with " customary" irregularity, one man boasted he had signed the petition ten or twelve times, that children had signed it, and that one man guided the band of a child three years old to sign it. The writer also stated that those individualswho usually attended such meetings absented themselves upon that occasion. When Noble Lords stated there had been no re-action in the country, he begged to d. ny that state ment ; he had a petition, signed by one bun fired of the most wealthy and respectable inhabitants of Derby, against the Reform Bill. Toe Duke of DEVONSHIRE, in reply, said he had received a letter final a most distinguished individual in Derby, stating that many foul attempts had been made by two or three Anti-Reformers to make chil dr-n sign the Reform petition—(Hear, bear, bear)-- and that one person had succeeded, but that those pitiful attempts would defeat themselves. The Noble Duke then adverted to a petition which be had presented from Derby on a former night, but withdrew it from its having been addressed to the last Parliament, and stated that the present one was signed by 169 more persons than that. The Earl of MULGRAVE said that the Marquis in all his continental tours, never in his life found so perfect a mare's nest as he had now found —(Laughter.) He begged merely to remark, that the Noble Marquis's petition was signed by only 100 persons, while that of the Noble Duke was signed by 4,469.—(Hear.) The Marquis of LONDONDERRY complained that the Noble Duke had not furnished the House with the name of his correspondent. The Duke of DEVONSHIRE said it was Joseph Strutt, a Magistrate, and one of the wealthiest persons in Derby.—( Hear, hear.) The Noble Duke said that among the signatures to the petition of the Noble Marquis he found many of them were of persons who did nut reside in Derby.—(Hear.) After a few words in explanation from the Marquis of LONDONDERRY, The Duke of DEVONSHIRE rose to present petitions in favour of Reform, from the towns of Bakewell, signed by 2,200 persons (being 400 more than signed a former peti tion), from Worksworth, Brampton in Walton, and from eighteen different districts in Derbyshire, signed by 5,415 persons. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY then presented the petition from 100 persons in Derby, against the Reform Bill. The Earl of ABINGDON, considering that discussions on petitions infringed on the business of the House, would merely present a petition from the Nobility,Gentry, and cer tain freeholders of Berkshire against the Reform Bill. Earl ROMNEY presented a petition from Maidstone, in favour of the Bill. Lord GOWER presented petitions from Newcastle unoer-Lyne, from the Staffordshire Potteries, from Stoke. upon-Trent, from the Royal Burgh of Dingwall, and from Wick, praying their Lordships to pass the Reform Bill. Lord YARBOROUGH presented two petitions in fa vour of the Biil. . . Lord KING had a great number of petitions to pre sent on the Reform Bill. He would only allude to the two first particularly, as they would speak the sentiments of the whole. The first was from Surrey, expressive of the hope that their Lordshps would pass the Bill for the peace of the country, unmutilated and entire ; while the other petition from St. Andrew's, Holborn, expressed the same wish with this addition , that if the Bill were not passed, if military measures were not resorted to, the taxes would never be paid.—(Hear.) The NOBLE Loan then presented forty petitions in fa vour of the Bill. Lord SEFTON presented a petition from the town of Liverpool, signed by 17,690 persons. 'He could bear testimony to the respectability and intelligence of the pe titioners. It was well known that as Liverpool bad grown in commercial importance, its inhabitants had increased in knowledge and intelligence. Out of 800 frequenters of the Commercial Exchange-rooms, the names of 600 were attached to the petition. The next petition was from the township of Toxteth Park to the same effect, signed by nearly 6,000. The NOBLE LORD alQo presented a petition from Bolton, Lancashire, signed by 10,900, end a similar petition from a parish in Leicestershire. _ _ Lord DACRE presented petitions from St. Aubyn, Sudbury, Wisbeach, the weavers of Perth, and from the town of Hertford, in favour of the Bill. Lord SALISBURY presented a petition from Hert ford, praying that their Lordships would not suffer the Bill to pass without mutilating the principle. He took that opportunity of stating that a most unconstitutional advantage had, in the Noble Earl's speech, been taken of the Sovereign's name relative to his assent to the Re form Bill. He had no doubt that his Majesty had given his assent to the Bid, but it was rather new in the history of Parliament, that the Prime Minister ehould come down to the House, and, for the purpose of influencing their Lordships' votes, make a declara tion that the King had sanctioned the Bill which pended their Lordships' consideration. He .did not see bow the Bill, in such a state of things, could meet with the legitimate consideration of the House. The Duke of SUSSEX was anxious to set the House right on the point alluded to by the Noble Marquis. He meant the reference made to the speech last night of his Noble Friend at the bead of the Government. The Noble Earl, he would state, in the manner in which the allusion was made to the sanction by the Sovereign of the Reform Bill, was perfectly constitutional, because in mentioning the Sove reig4's lame he explained at the time that the allusion Was .to the words id his Majesty's Speech from tie Throne. Tha(decumerit b, ing on the reword of the House, the Noble Earl caul(' not but be regular in his reieteoce to it. The Martjuii of BRISTOL said, that the Noble tit? (Grey) hail s aid they stould have no Reform but his, be believed that as . true as heaven lind earth existed, he had s tid this, and he heard it with indignation. After some desultary conversation between the fluke lirctratoNo and the Marquis of BRISTOL, Lord HOLLAND said that the reference to the Noble Earl's speech last night Was very uncalled for indeed. He had only stated that if the gill Were rejected, he never would propose a less ekted3ive irieasute. that did not imply that the Dill shad(' not take the ordinary course of passing through CoMmittee, that any alterations not affecting its principle might not be suggested : Lord KENYON deprecated the turn which N , ble Lords had taken in presenting petitions; discussion, he submitted. should he deferred till another opportunity. , Lord SUFFIELD presented petitious from Sudbury and Salford, in favour of the Bill. Lord HOLLAND presented several petitions to the same effect, and amongst them was one from a 'person named James Wright, stating that he had ten votes for different places Sending Members to Parliament, and expressing his willingness and anxiety to relinquish thertv.m order to facilitate the passing of the Bill. Lord SEAGRAVE rose to present 30 petitions from various towns and parishes in the county of Gloucester, and declared that in that large and populous county no change in the minds of the people upon the measure of Reform had taken place.—(Hear, hear, hear.) It had been said that if the people did nothing, they were charged as having received Reform with indifference, and that it they did do anything they were charged with inti midation.—(Hear, hear.) Each of those charges was unfounded.—(Cheers.) Those who thought the people were indifferent to Reform were ignorant of the people's sentiments, and those who stated they were guilty of threatening that House, wilfully misrepresented the people's actions.—(Cheers.) If unhappily the present Bill should be rejected, their Lordships might be sure that a Bill to the same effect, sooner or later, must pass. The Noble Lord then read a list of the petitions he had to present. Among which were those from Wootton-under-Edge, signed by 1,500 persons ' - from Dursley, signed by 320; from Stroud, by 2,225 ; Disley, by 413 ; from Stonehouse, by 297 ; from the Mayor, corporation, and inhabitants of Berkeley, signed by 434 ; 1 from Tewkesbury by 770; from the Mayor, corporation, and inhabitants of the city of Gloucester, and from the county of Gloucester, signed in three days by 1,828 persons. The Bishop of CHICHESTER presented a petition from St. Ives, in favour of the lieform Bill. The Duke of RICHMOND presented petitions to a similar purport from 158 inhabitants of Battle, in Sussex; from Ashbourn, signed by 350 ; from Halesworth ; from Chichester; from the borough of King's Lynn, signed by 1399 ; from Daintree ; from the Mayor, corporation, and inhabitants of the borough of Higham Ferrers, (which was one of the boroughs place.l in schedule A) ; from Bramston ; and from a gentleman residing in Brighton. The Duke of WELLINGTON presented petitions from the following places against the Reform Bill: Preston, Canterbury, town and port of Sandwich, in Corn. mon hall assembled, non-resident freemen of Dover, Rye, in Kent, Lincoln, Ramsgate, gentry, clergy, and freeholder, in the county of Sussex, freeholders of the county of Dor- set, freeholders, freemen, and inhabitants of Dover, Deal, and Walmer. Lord GRANTHAM presented a petition from Cambridge praying their Lordships not to pass the Reform Bill without certain alterations, more particularly in that clause regarding the 10/. freeholders. The Earl of HAREWOOD presented a petition from the town of Leeds, which he stated was very numerously and respectably signed, against the Reform Bttl. The petitioners stated that they did not object to some Reform, but they reprobated the present Bill as one that would be ruinous to the Constitution of the country. They prayed their Lordships to do their duty in that House without being influenced by threats from out of doors, or any that might be made within. The NOBLE LOAD also presented similar petitions from the towns of Wakefield and Doncaster,and from the minister, churchwardens, and inhabitants of Shotover, in the county of Oxford. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a petition from Bridport, and another from a parish in Cornwall, against the Reform Bill. Earl GREY presented, on the part of a Noble absent Friend of his, petitions from the inhabitants of Monmouth, and from a vast number of towns in Wales, England, Scotland, and Ireland, all in favour of Reform. Th e LORD CHANCELLOR presented 117 petitions from corporations and persons of different parts. One of the petitions from Birmingham was agreed to at a meeting at which 150,000 persons were estimated to have assemb'ed, and they were stated to have dispersed to their homes after the meeting was over, as orderly hanoudsem; foin oid Stanhope p eace ably as children returning from a village school.—(Hear, and laughter.) The Noble and Learned Lord also presented thirty-eight other petitions from dif ferent places; and among others, from St. Ann, Lime the h to Ward n.o n o d f e r A .L ld i enrer St. t e ; thoiltpeh terhviravitheno,u Preston Pans, ; a AoPrDewsbury,nrcas, Cardiff, Bridgnortb, Houn slow, An, The Earl of BELHAVEN presented a petition front Renfrew, in favour of the Bill ; and also one from two of the Corporations in Glasgow. Lord PLUNKET I' presented a petition to the same effect from an inhabitant in Cashel. Viscount MELBOURNE presented petitions to the sameeffect from Sr. Paul'-, Covent-garden, and from Truro. s tne effect effect, ff e E c a t The Earl of POMFRET presented a petition to the same Towcester. The Iff:of:LICHFIELD presented a petition to th e s Great Yarmouth, and took that oppor tunity of stating that he entirely concurre d i n t h e pr i n . ciple of the Bill, fo p r rese wh n ic ted h akepefteilttiongrfarteom yo grateful to his Ma jesty's Ministers. Lord effect. Viscount rktothe same Vi scoun t LORTON presented petitions against th e Bill from t wo Companies in Dublin ; and also from Bally etU. mena, in Antrim. The Earl of ALBEMARLE presented petitions in favour of the Bill from Thetford and Wymoodham. In present ing the next petition, he begged to advert to what had fallen from a Noble and Learned Earl on the p r e v iou s e v ening. The Earl of ELDON wished tb make one remark. He f ou nd, that in stating that the petition which he had pre sented on the previous evening from Norwich was signed by 13,540 persons, be was in error : he bad this morning referred to the instructions he had received, and he found that he should have s iid 3,540, and not 13.540. (Hears hear.) He telt grateful to the Noble Earl for hay • i ng given him an opportunity of rectifying his mistake. It was entirely his error, and not at all to be attributed to those who had sent him the petition.—(Hear.) thn u i hne i o t i f e tirrhioe otamyt city,o Nre sp ectabl y ikori satisfactor y . wrioirhs tai Anthonynto H i now rnf e gam ooturhoHra tioin ev e rdf beggedsot h en The Earl of ALBEMARLE said, that the Noble l E aßhe aag a i dl v r el l en : h s ttel so e e nsxmopdpearlu:hal present %aeon, hadete Common-hall o l a n mktpn w hi neoet a owi s atuinu q : nume rously attended than that in which this petition had been agreed to. The former petition in favour of Reform from N or wich, had only been signed by 6,100 persons ; but the present one (and he sta•ed it to show how the desire of the people for Reform had increased), was signed by 11,570.—(Hear. ) The Duke of NEWCASTLE presented a petition from Nottingham against the Bill, and he believed he might sa y, that a very strong feeling existed in that town against the Reform Bill. Lord HOLLAND bad presented a petition the other night from Nottingham in favour of the Bill, which was not only signed by 13,000 persons, but which had had the official seal of the Corporation attached to it.—(llear.) He was ready to admit that it would be bad taste for their Lordships to look too closely at the signatures attached to these petitions, and he would not dispute the respectability of the individuals who had signed the petition just presented by the Noble Duke ; but when the Noble Duke asserted in the face of the petition of 13,000 persons, which he (Lord Holland) had presented, that the feeling of the town of Nottingham was against the Bill, he thought that he had a right to ask whence the petition of the Noble Duke bad ern' nated ?. The Duke of NEWCASTLE did not give it as his own opinion that Nottingham was averse to the Bill; but he had been instructed so to state by the petitioners. He believed that the petition had lain at the County-ball for signatures.' lie hid thought that he 6atl n petition to present from Worksop ; but on looking at it he foutr2 that it was a declaration, and not a petition, and he therefofe Tiontd not trouble th,ir Lordol7ips with it. , • to PNAe of NORFOLK begged to remind' IS! R o u g r. that he had, Oil tl.. previous night, presented a petit:ty:t, very numerously signed, frnnV. r orksop. The Duke of NEWCAOLt .Na 4 of that the petitioii was signed only by Dissenters. The Duke of 119TIFOLK said, that tilt , very f. a ffet niture was that of the tic'et tf Worksop.—(Cheers •) The Duke of NEWCASTLE thee 7.,! t-rtn4 further obser vation, which was inaudible below the bat; , _ ..... The L'arl of ROSEBERY presented a petition from Leith, in favimr a the Bill ; also, from the Deaconries of the Trades in Edinburgh, Own Dunfermline, from some place in Linlithgow, from the WeiVeh of Selkirk, froth some place in Dumfries, from Dunnino, in Perth; from the Royal Burgh of loAkirk, from Portobello, from inter keithing ; and he had likewise been desired by Lord Errol to present a petition to the same ettes from Kilmarnock, in Ayr. Lord f!OWDEN presented a petition from Tatiditster, to the same effect. Lord LILFORD presented prtitiimi from Warringted and the parish df Llyten, in Lanc.shite; thel.ameeffect. The Ma , qui. of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from the county of Wilts, which, though signed b 7 the High Sheriff Acme, had been agreed to at a most respect ' Ale meeting. He himself bad been no party to the meet ing, but it had been called by the spontaneos feeling of the county, and was numerously attended. lie htgge , l leave further to state, that all the petitions which he had to present were specifically in favour of this Reform Bill, ' and did not contain applications for other privileges or .extension that were not contained in the Bill. The Noble Mtrquis then presented petitions . from Trowbridge, Chip iientam, Waltham, Swansea, East Stonehouse, Learning- ton, Deviz s, Gosport, Halverstoke, St. John (Middlesex), .ind other places—twenty in all. Lord ROLLE, in reference to the petition from Stone house,. said, that when petitions were presented to that House, some communication ought to be made to Noble Lords connected with the district, that an opportunity might be"afforded of estimating the value of such petitions. He knew that in one case persons came to men in his em ployment, and procured them to sign petitions, of the purport of which they really knew nothing. Lord DE CLIFFORD said, that the petition which had been forwarded to that House as expressing the senti ments of the people of Devon, and certified by the High sheriff of the county as such, ought to be received; and no man could reasonably deny that such a petition was de serving cf attention. A misapprehension had arisen re specting what fell from him on a former night. What he said was, that to the best of his belief, the sentiment contained in the petition were the sentiments of the peopl e of Devon, and were worthy of the people of that county. Lord ROLLE spoke of the county meeting of Devon not having been numerously attended. . _ Lord MORLEY attributed that circumstance to the anxiety to get up the meeting, and ft)? ward the petition before the second reading of the Bill in that House. A NOBLE Loan (name unknown) regretted that those who under-valued the petition had not attended the meet ing, and stood forward as the opponents of Reform. He was sure that any Anti-Reformer who attended that meeting would have been completely floored. Lord WHARNCLIFFE said that thirty Noble Lords were still on the list ; there, therefore, must be a consi derable number of petitions yet remaining to be presented, and they could have no hope of getting through them be fore a very late hour. He therefore recommended that they should proceed to the order of the day. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was averse from any unnecessary delay ; still he thought al) petitions ought to be received, though with as little loss of time as possible. The Earl of WINCHILSEA presented a petition from a place in the county of Kent, praying that the Bill might not pass into a law. He observed that the Kent county meeting at no time exceeded three thousand persons, and began with not more than eight hundred, though lie re membered a Kent meeting where not fewer than thirty thousand persons were present. But the people of that county took but little interest in the business of petition ing the Legislature, having found that the most important petition ever forwarded by them did not meet with the attention to which it was entitled. As one proof of the re-action which be really believed to prevail throughout the country, there was Sandwich, which hid returned two Members favourable to the Bill, was now petitioning against it. Lord TEMPLEMORE presented a petition from Goree, in the county of Wexford, in favour of the Bill. Lord WYNEORD presented a petition from Guild ford against the provisions of the Bill, by which that town was put in Schedule B. Lord SHERBORNE presented a petition from Chel tenham, in favour of the Bill. Lord SEAGRAVE supported the petition, saying that it was signed by five-sixths of the male adult population of the place. The Duke of HAMILTON presented petitions to the same effect from Selkirk, Lismahago, and the borough of Hamilton. Lord DYNEVOR presented a petition from Cann-- von, against the Bill. The Earl of WESTMORLAND presented a similar petition from Northampton, signed by 500 persons. Earl DARNLEY presented a petition in favour of the Bill from Gravesend. The Marquis of BUTE presented some petitions—(For what placrs we could not learn, owing to the confusion at the bar, in consequence of clearing it for a message from the House of Commons.) Mr. HYDE VILLIERS, and others from the Commons, brought up two Bills, one of which was the London and Westminster Coal Bill. Lord FOLEY presented petitions from the town of Buckingham and the city of Worcester in favour of the Bill. The latter petition had, he said, been addressed to their Lordships in consequence of an attempt made by the Mayor and some of the Corpuration of Worcester, to get up itpetition of an opposite character. _ The Earl of RAYINOR presented several petitions in favour of the Bill :• one signed by 6.600 inhabitants of Oldham, in Lancashire; from Christchurch, in Surrey ; from the ward of Coleman-street, in the city of London ; and from the Political Union of Edinburgh. As the last mentioned petition was signed t.y the Chairman and S.cre tary on behalf of the Society, it could only be received as the petition of those two gentlemen. Earl BATHURST presented a petition from the inha bitants of Tewkesbury, and the vicinity, praying that the House would give their most serious consideration to the Refor.n Bill now before their Lordships. A • Noat.a LORD, whose name we could not learn, begged leave to mike one observation respecting the peti tion which had just been presented. He had himself a petition to present from Tewkesbury in favour of the Bill, and signed by upwards of 700 inhabitants of that town, whereas the Noble Earl opposite acknowledged that the petition against the Bill bad been signed by persons who were not inhabitants of Tewkesbury. He hoped, haw ever, that the Noble Earl would accede to the prayer of the latter petition, and enable the House to give the Bill the most serious consideration, which could only be done in Committee.—( Hear, hear.) Earl BATHURST was understood to reply that he could not give his vote for going into a Committee upon the Bill. The Duke of GRAFTON presented a petition from Woodbridge, in the county of Suffolk, and from the parish of St. Mary's, Whitecbapel, in favour of the Bill. A Norms LORD presented a petition from Coventry in favour of the Bill. Lord KERR presented a 'Petition from the Mayor a n d Aldermen of the borough of Huntingdon, in favour (as we understood) of the Bill. The Marquis of WESTMINSTER bad several peti tions to present in favour of Reform, all worded (he said) with ability and eloquence, and stating generally that the anxiety of the country on the subject of Reform • had in creased. He would not detain the House longer than by reading the titles of those petitions. They were from the inhabitants of St. Martin's-in-the-fields; from the bo roughs of Shaftesbury, Congleton, and Nantwich; from the inhabitants of Holywell, in Flintahire; and from the town' of Limerick in Ireland. • A Marx LORD presented a petition frem Falkland, in favour of the Bill. Lord POLTINIORE presented similar petitions from Oakhampton and another place, to the same-effect. The Duke of LEINSTER presented petitions also is favour of the Bill from the county of Kildare, -atebtatont' ' ' e e the town of Loughrea. Lord GODERICH presented ti 'petition etts sa e effect from Gaineboroogh, in / Ai:county of Lincoln. ;S\ On the motion of the lied of StfAIVIZSELTRI" t Bills were advanced a stagetL : . • ) n „ -, 1 THE REFM BILL. _ ~.4. , _i / On the motion . of the Earl aIiII'iCIIILSEA, the / Meer ' of the day for renewing t he dela/glom ( cFcidsl as ead _ : ingo Nc of the Reform iL Bill sEA was self with giving a silent vote on the p resent occasion. Fur whether I consider the im p ortance of the sub j ect of i o i r i w iy then Lordr e a:1, I cannot . content my. , Lord .. no t h .fh e lilci l! h i l, l t l ih i j a ,: i sdvu Billns cninatheGovernment, i inflict sal le t h u y : oo h nr e Noble tthhee t.io irreparable et E lpt F yr l ,a a b Il t e the fe lt] injuriesheaadt if, in legislating upon this momentous subject, we take one false step, that step never can be re traced—(Hear)—and that, in the' endeavour to correct the abuses, which I am willing to adinit do exist, we may overturn that just -ba ?nate of the three poWere of the State, on the maintenance of whieb she very exietenoe of the Constitution depends.-- (Hear, heat . ..) Deeply feelisig the r e sponsibility which attaches to me as a British Legiefettna called "" M give my vote upo n on e of the most important--roost vital questions that ever was brought before a British Parliament, I approach the eonsidtration of that nuestion uninfluenced by party feeling; for I know of but one party, and that is my country.—(Cheers.) I approach_ it uninfluenced by every motive of private inte.eat which cetzid away my mind ; fer I have no Parliamentary influence with which this Bill can interfere. I approach the consideration, my Lords, uninfluenced also by the unreasonable clamourer of a portion of the people, whets er they be ieeited by unprincipled demagogues, or by the degraded and lier.o.tious Press. which tbr the last twelve months bee be e n heaping the vileet seelemnies upon tlinA-istoer icy of Eng -4 land, and especially upon that portion of th7s Heusi- which 'should dare to use their privileges for the prenervat on of the .Constitution. That licentious Press, which his, I may say, levelled your Lordships' rights, and whose power is directed against every thing sacred, exercises a tyranny as inconsis ent with true liberty as t'ie despotism of the most arbitrary Monarch that ever e. - .-iy.red. In resisting that tyranny, my Lords, we shah be supported by every man whore votreis worth soliciting, or his At.,bisraftce worth basing. All such :nen will support us against that por tion of the Press, which: has poured out its venom upon an illustrious female of the highest rank in this . country, whose conduct both in private and in public has engaged the esteem and admiration of ail who can appreciate worth end virtue. But the calumnious Press has held her up to odium as exercising an unconstitutional influence against the Reform Bill of his Majesty's Ministers.—(Hear, ciear.) Would to God that I knew the vile slanderer—the aneny mous defamer. If 1 hinter the calumniator, humble indivi dual as I am, I would undertake that heahould never utter another 'lender. As I would think myself justified before God in raising my hand against the enemy who should threaten my country with invasion, so should I feel justified in chastising the slanderer of one who is dear to my country, and who has shown her desire to promote the happiness of the people, by upholding every thing virtuous, justly feeling that a nation's happiness de -1 ponds on the virtues which adorn the Jemale character.— (Hear.) My Lords, I approach tl.e question now before your Lordships with a hearty and sincere wish that I nny be able to take the course which may be most conducive to the happiness and welfare of my country, and may transmit to our posterity the British Constitution unim paired. Although, indeed, I own that the Constitution was much broken in upon when your Lordships departed from the principles upon which it was founded, and abandoned the securities of that civil and religious liberty which we have so long enjoyed. I do not deny that in the lapse of time some abuses have crept into the repre sentation of the people in the Commons' House of Parlia ment. I am, therefore, desirous to consider, in the first place, in what way those abuses may be effectually re moved. In the second place, I will consider whether or not some change be required in accordance with the improve ments which have taken place in the condition and knowledge of the. people ; and whether or not, in the lapse of years, new interests have • sprung up, to which it may be expedient to extend the repre sentation.—(Hear.) Lastly, I will consider whether the Bill upon your Lordships' table be really calculated to remove the abuses which exist in the representation, and to extend the franchise to the new interests in the most constitutional manner: On the other hand, my Lords, I must consider, whether this measure do not tend to de stroy the balance of power which keeps the three estates in that equilibrium which is the best security of the liber ties and rights of the people, and which it is the bounden duty of every lover of his country to stand boldly forward to maintain.—( Hear.) As to this first consideration, therefore, my Lords, I must say that I have long thought that some change was necessary in the mode in which the people are represented in the Commons' House of Parlia ment. I have long thought that the influence which is placed in the hands of a few individuals by the represen ' tation of those boroughs, which, whatever may have for merly been their trade and commerce, have now scarcely a house or an inhabitant. I have long been opinion that some change must be made respecting those boroughs, if. indeed, they must not be altogether abandoned.—(Cries of " Hear, hear," from Lord HOLLAND, followed by much laughter.) That influence is calculated to give an undue preponderance of power to his Majesty's Ministers, which may be exercised against the Constitution, and which has been exercised in throwing down the bulwarks of those institutions under which this country has so long flourished. It was by means of that influence that . the last - inroad was made upon the Constitution, which could not have been effected if the wishes of the people had been ascertained by a general election.—(Hear, hear, hear.) For that assertion I have the authority of the Right Hon. Person who introduced into the other House the measure to which I allude. That Gentleman has recently said, that the Catholic question would never have been carried in a reformed House of Commons.— (Hear, hear.) But at that period the petitions of the people were not received with becoming attention; and the confidenceliy accustomedand diminished.respect t rl e w,goa ri with which those wisieeh reasons, the Legislature sa ,t utreh people ehreaflo h r es a ine, d le t before tb:akn t fbe h e a r t nfu s Reform in the representation of the people is neces sary. For these reasons lam desirous to see the political influence arising from the borough representation taken out of the hands of the few individuals by whom it has been usurped, and distributed equally amongst the property of the country.—( Hear.) Now, my Lords, I shall briefly touch upon this question, whether or not it may be expe dient to give representatives to the manufacturing towns. If your Lordships consider what vast capital is employed in carrying on the trade and suanufaseuees of this great country, and to what an extent that capital is affected by injudicious legislation, and the injuries which trade has buf fered ,rorn the imposition of unwise dories -such an that upon raw cotton, which tbeMinisters who proposed it were ..bI iged to retract; and if you consider the mischief which has been done to those manufactures by- the rein.,vai of the re strictive duties upon foreign goods, I think you will ac knowledge the necessity of giving to the manufacturing towns representatives to defend their inn tests in t• c other House of Parliament, and to point out the injerisais ten dency of measures affecting the re , tinfecures. of the country.—(Hear.) I have long been of this opinion; . and • t think, my Lords, that the cour , e adopted by both- Houies of Parliament, in refusing to transfer to those towns the franchise of each boroughs as have been con victed of corruption, was most injudicious and unjust. Now, my Lords, I will consider how far the Bill upon the table is calculated to correct the evils which exist, and to extend the franchise to the great towns at present unree presented, in the most effective and constitutional manner. I do not think that the part of the Bill which goes to dis franchise non-resident voters will he quite effectual for the purpose, as various ways tney be found of evading it. 1 also entertain considerable doubts whether the enactments of the Bill to curtail the expenses of elections will be as efficacious as the framers of the measure wish. For the reams already stated, I am fully prepared to give repre sentatives to the great manufacturing towns; therefore I approve of that part of the Bill. I also approve of the clauses which give an additional number of representatives to large counties in England. If we reflect upon the enor mous increase of wealth and population in some provinces we shall look upon that part of the Bill as well worthy of consideration, attention, and support. I must declare, however, that although I may agree with the Noble Eatl that the present number of the Mouse of Commons ought not to be increased, I think that Ministers, for the pur pose of giving Members to large towns, have carried the disfranchising powers a great deal too far. Although I am prepared to disfranchise boroughs that have neither inhabitants nor houses, or only a few of either, I am not prepared to sanction so sweeping a disfranchisement. I am convinced that a more judicious and a more moderate g u h s t have. been bteehn Members, pursued, a nd instead they o e f ve d neptr to the some t al ow i co all n o s i ti e t a u ' en to cy - "nitiagihnt in man y instances, by . c reated and an efficient I am persuaded,have • hive on e , 1 and ,een g, . i given, an e n i n , o h p u e n n d i red ng . the s tro h ufliwtouniadej:iining parishes, would given 'much greater satisfacition to ld tbe• Constitutional Re grfaheiermsad:sigeareeof kicongeulnottn; mem w b :: s, i a n l ill so m h i y a g v h e o t p g h i i n v a i e v o n e n b n e h o e r n a e I• bt to the ag ricultural interest, which notwithstanding : . 5503 , i. 5 to t° 1 , 4 t i0n 31 . •