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- Alla° ~,~ f /~-~ "--- . ~.1 " : 7° : , 7/• A. . . , ______i-(-- -- - ---, -.. . . . . ..... . . • _ --,, ')., -;.;.'• . - . . . ~. . ii ,-.,- • - •,, '7 ii" .C ., Z. 1 , 1 "S: V-. ' 1 , 1 --------- L i r,: -P, • ...". - , , '-'4)ti . -... . • . --tr . -., .. - . 0 . , . e . , ) , - - Y ~ v 0 I -- -IC II I t/ V CONTRACTS .( - )11 PEARL AND SCOTCH BARLEY AND CAROLINA RICE, AND FOR THE PURCHASE AND REMOVAL " 1 " THE OFFAL FROM THE MILL AT DEPTFORD. VICTUALLING-OFFICE, DEC. 13 , 1831 . THE Commissioners for Victualling His Majesty's Navy, !sc. do hereby give Notice, that *a Trtensnar the 22d day of December instant, they will 'e ready to receive Tenders in writing (sealed up), and tr eat with such persons as will undertake to purchase ilkd remove from the Victualling Premises at DEPTFORD, t he OFFAL, consisting of.M.IDDIANG S, POLLARD, and ,ARAN, produced in his Majesty's Mill in the said Yard P'in the Ist day of January, 1832, to the Slat day of ularch, 1833. Also, for the supply of all such quantities "„,f PEARL BARLEY, SCOTCH BARLEY, and CA bOLINA RICE, as may be demanded from the date of th " contract until the 31st day of March, 1833. And a lso for 600 Mille of WILLOW RODS (for Coopers' Iwigs), to be delivered into his Majesty's Victualling Z'res at Deptford by e the 31st day of March, 1832, in 'lout* proportions. P , SMilles of the Willow Rods must be producied by the hr tY tendering ; but those of Pearl Barley, Scotch Barley, Carolina Rice, together with the Conditions of the ‘'entracts, may be seen at this Office. P.ach Tender must specify the price in words at length, 14 4 be delivered before One o'clock on the day appointed ; wad the Person who makes the Tender, or some Person leis behalf, must attend to answer when called for. M. WALLER CLIFTON. 'OM THE GAZETTE OF LAST NIGHT WAR-OFFICE, Dec. 16, 1831, 14 th Regiment of Light Dragoons — Corne t 11. Bowyer in be elitenatit, by purchase, vice Straubensee, who retires, dated . . 16 ; E. lloyds, Gent. to be Cornet, by purchase, vice 13ost tvDec. 16. <ist Regiment of Foot- 1 . K. Mackenzie, Gentitfto be Seeceld - "ttltenant, by purchase, vice Stronge, promoted, Dee. 16. kith Foot- - Major H. Piper to be LientenaneCtilonel, without p ur chase, vice Frith, deceased, May 28 ;;Captain M. Semple, t c he Major, vice Piper, Mav 28 ; Lieut. O'Brien to be Cap y'n. vice Seiriple, May 28; 'Ensign T Jenkins to be Lieutenant, k!te O'Brien, Dec. 16 ; J. Frith, Gent. to be Ensign, vice Jen -4?!, Dec. hi. %:;•'4l Foot—Lieut. T. Meyrick to be Captain, without purchase, h i ":',Barker, deceased, May 1; Ensign C. B. Lloyd to he Lieute t„,',t. vice Meyrick, May 1; Ensign L. Maule to be Lieutenant, I,',!'ilout purchase, vice Berkeley, deceased, July 21 I_ll. S. 130- Cd, Gent. to be Ensign, vice Lloyd, Dec. 15; G. H. Wilkins, era. to be Ensign, vice Maule, Dec.l6. , I , s() th Foot—Ensign T. W. Edwards to be Lieutenant by pur t,aB.e vice Wainewright, who retires ; C: F. Gregg, Gent, to be ' , gti by ;ramose, vice Edwards, Dec. 16. %;,'" , O Foot—Capt. A. Scott, from the half-pay, to be Captain, jj'e C. Willi a ms, who exchanges, receiving the difference, 't.• 16, , 11, , uan th air lct—J y ; Deputy C.KD'Es Inspector-General ent.t j o oh be n i% E i s n ai s i i rlg g, without r , c . h p a o v s e , ,iiv Nov. e . 9 W . he a Assistant-Inspectort s one, dce a 5 e d , o pec f . i i, , 1 :1,,_#,___,,, F00 . t- 16 ie , ut. W. Sutton to be Adjutant, vice Boys, who ~it ): ' .::1, ,, 5 ' 4 o,,,,, ,_ :e s :,:ci t iot h ,,,r e aAßils, A itisii d liass i nt e aDar t nn a tAai n m t i_ e nes y sr:ec O : e n fu l t y tto. , rnt S :o e .i g p f: t H . aD, 2 o, s :y . ipkni et Hospitals.—Assistant-Inspector Loh:. It:h.:se:s 4 ; e; , A ß 'F r F r e f F ro lD h ..— ir Seco .pay n , j d u L n i e eu n te . nant J. M. Stronge, from rr 1) 4 fist ,tt vEi Reg i ment,._ cap ta t i o n sa be m L u i e e l u T te h n o ao thew Infantry , th Regbyiment, purchase, to ; 'e. 16, ii HOSPITAL ~ 4, STAFF.— To be Deputy Inspectors-General of ' 11 1 :Pitals.—Deputy Inspector-General James Arthur, M.D. from Ile 4,,.i0r in the Army, July 22. Hospitals David Barry y s t 42t a h n t -I Regiment,Foot,l n s p e c t has o r ul d 44 , ,, : n llo y:a e i l id to n r o e t t s ir w e y f n ro e l y n . , the service, by the sale of an Unat ePv IV commission, Dec. 16. Ir.) k N .. ..e name of the Ensign lately appointed to the Aid Regiment n al, whettc,., -'"'nissi, 1 , „"•,_-- ions by the Lrd Lieutenant of the Couty of Berks. oebeputy IMeuten o ants—The . Hon. F. West , Sir J. Sewell, iV Blaglare, Esq. E. Gardiner, Esq.,East, Esq., S. Blackstone, R. S. Ramsbottom, Esq., J. H. Noble, ci n ik t. Oct 20 . 44tlissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Kent, 5 4 4 , 11 d of the City and County of the City of Canterbury. "Deputy Lieutenants—D. Denne, Esq., W. K. Child, "Dec.ai 7. ? t r t ,' s t ai„ ssion by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Roxburgh. be "Deputy Lieutenants—G. Baillie, jun., Esq., J. Waldie, A. Fairholme, Esq., Oct. 6. iM i nisaions by the Vice-Lieutenant of the East Riding of the t ` t r utarity of York, and Town and County of the Town of Kings_ H ull. ,7 Deputy Lieutenants—B. Haworth, Esq., G. H. Thorn', `Eq., Dec. 10. East York Militia. 'saines, Gent. to be Lieutenant, vice C. Watson, resigned ; 4lith, Gent. to be Ensign, vice H. Raines, promoted, Dec. 10. °4l Missions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Suffolk. West Suffolk Regiment of Militia. - .ambers, Gent. to be Ensign, May 14. It ~ East Suffolk. • Esq. to be Captain, Oct. 3; F. Robinson, Gent. to 4,eutenant, May 2 ; S. Richardson, Gent. to be Lieutenant ; ' kevor, Gent. to be Ensign; A. Chinery, Gent. to be En- Oct. 3. WHITEHALL, Dxc. 10. llor has appointed William Dunn Wheeler, . in the county of Warwick, Gent. to be a Master in the High Court of Chancery. BANKRUPTCY SUPERSEDED. A LVERs. St. James's-street, Westminster,bill-broker. LjA BANKRUPTS. 11 - BARNFIELD, jun. ' Mark-lane, wine-merchant, ender Dee. 23, 30, and Jan. 27, at two, at the Court of lesioners. Borradaile and Ashmore, King's Arms-yard, i tri.stre e t. • N HOPKINS, Woolwich, grocer, Dec. 20, at one, 27, fib. 27, at two, at the Court of Commissioners. Hutchin -4 'meson, Crown-court, Threadneedle-stret. ES GRAY, Blackman-street, Borough, victualler, Dec. and Jan. 27, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners. Great Eastcheap._ RED MURRAY, lllark.lane, flour-factor, Dec. 23, at 30 , at eleven, and Jan. 27, at ten, at the Court of Corn. 'rs. Taylor, Roscoe, and Turner, Temple. I AM SNELL, Totness, Devonshire, linen-draper, Dec. 27, at eleven, and Jan. 27, at ten, at the Court of Jones, Sise-lane, London, ALKER SADLEtt, Old Bailey, oilman, Dec. 'e. 27, at twelve, and Jan. 27, at ten, at the Court of inners. Clutton and Fearon, High-street, Southwark. .I AM SNOW, Wandsworth-road, Vauxhall, coach_ lee. 23, at. eleven, Jan. 3, at one, and 27, at twelve, at of Commissioners. Bailey, Berners-street, Oxford-st. E THWAITES and SAMUEL TOPLIS, Ciren- Fitzroy-square, upholders, Dec. 23, at eleven, Jan. at one, at the Court of Commissioners. Drew, Ber -street, Surrey. .1A it • THOMAS WEBB, Swan-yard, Bermondsey rrrier, Dec. 23, at ten, 30, at one, and Jan. 27, at ten, at rt of Commissioners. Stephens, Bedford-row. 19. Ni, HIATT. Crown-court, Broad-street, wine -merchant, 1 and Jan. 27, at twelve, at the Court of Commis_ Chambers, Finsbury circus. ARNOLD MARTIN, Earl's Coble, Essex, victualler, 27. and Jan. 27, at ten, at the Rose and Crown, Sud. Wiglesworth and Ridsdale, Gray's-Inn-square. -GE NAVIN, Bridgwater, Somersetshire, grocer, Dec. ,ind Jan; 27; at ten, at the George Inn, Bridgwater. Ben. 'eatherston-bnildings, Holborn ; Lovibond, Bridgwater. •M JONES. Pwllmelyn, Flintshire, lead-merchant, and Jan. 27, at eleven, at the Black Lion Inn, Mold, ire. Roberts, Mold; -Milne, Parry, Milne and Mor- Landon. tT ELLISON, Knaresborough, Yorkshire, flax-spin- I, at six, 30, and Jan. 27, at eleven, at the Commercial vsborough. Strangwaycs and Walker, Barnard's Gill, Knaresborough. -ARDMAN HOLDSTOCK. Liverpool, commis. Dec. 29, at nine, Jan. 2, and 27, at two, at the Al- Manchester. Jones and Hughes, Southampton. .iancery-lane ; Wheeler, Manchester. 4W WRIGHT, London, merchant, Dec. 30, 31, and at one, at the Clarendon-rooms, Liverpool. Adling 'ory, and Faulkner, Bedford-row, London; Radcliffe In, Liverpool. 1' WRIGLEY, Rochdale, Lancashire, corn-dealer, at ten, 31, and Jan. 27,.at nine, at the York Hotel, Man- Walmsley, Keightley, and Parkin, Chancery-lane, Elliott, Rochdale. wow, Rochdale, Lancashire, corn-dealer, Dec. 97, at eleven, at the York Hotel, Manchester. htley, and Parkin, Chancery-lane, London ; ...atOSBEE, Birmingham, brass.manufacturer, , and Jan. 27, at one, at the Hen and Chickens .ningham. Austen and Hobson, Gray's Inn, London; trmingham. kS GILLING, Stoke-lane, Somersetshire, paper ,T- 29, at three, 30, and Jan. 27, at eleven, at the Castle lim, Bath. Adlington, Gregory, and Faulkner, Bed- London ,• Reeve and James, Glastonbury. 'ES SHEFFIELD, Commercial-terrace, Commercial. Sealer, Dec. 23, at eleven, Jan. 2, and 27, at ten, at of Commissioners. Horsley, Berner-street, Commer. ''..ast, „ NELSON, Rolls-buildings, Chancery-lane, stable- Dec. 20, at eleven, 27, at twelve, and Jan. 27, at eleven, Court of Commissioners. Burn, Bell-yard, Doctors' SPRINGETT, Linton, Kent, Kent, cattle-dealer, Dec. and Jan. 27, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners. .t , lement's Inn, Strand. ' I A3I BISSIL Quorndon, Leicestershire, bowl-manu -4 Jan. 4, at six, 5, at two, and 27, at eleven, at the King's 4 „ , Loughborough. Norris Allen, and Anthony, John 'ford-row ; Fosbrooke, Loughborough. L WOODHEAD, Ovenden, Yorkshire, worsted-ma. Dec. 23, at six, 24, and Jan. 27, at ten, at the White . Halifax. Jaques, Bettye, and Edwards, Coleman „i'odon ; Edwards, Halifax. q. / JIORRISON JOHNSON, JONATHAN FOSTER, .` 1 WALSH, Liverpool, oil and colourmen, Jan. 2,4, ohe, at the Clarendon-rooms, Liverpool. Mawdsley, ' Adlington, Gregory, and Faulkner, Bedford-row. t'hd n DIVIDENDS. -et ~,---- Christie, and J. Stewart, Mark-lane, and Man ;ite,!._"'erehants, Jan. 9, at twelve, at the Court of Commis tlre'. Phillips, Threadneedle-street, tavern-keeper, Jan. 9, , tit _ 4h, at the Court of Commissioner.-4. Bond, Montagdc ,,,tfr,,, rwriter, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Commis lc,'li4,p• Bennattar, Howford-building' , Fenchurch.street, fi r,; ter . an. 7, at t n, at the Court of Commissioners-E. , i , ,, 14 r a ''d J. Gibbs, e Cork.street, Burlington-gardens, West -11,,,,:ii' Y l oney-scriveners, Jan. 7, at eleven, at the Court of I,,;'riibettobers_....)l. Andrew, Crown-court, Threadneedle-street, it 41 4.4'rteker, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commis !'.ts, j ar Sod J. Mitchell, High.stret, Sot!tbwark, woollen ar, _ s te2 , ...G, at one, at the Court of Comr . nissioners-J Routh, q 71,,... ~ ut Iveyd H. L. Routh, Austin . Friars, merchants, c, i,,, w"at the Court of Commissioners -J. and S. B. N, e, b , lion Walden, Essex, and Bishop Stortford, Hertford. V, . 4, 4 hker, Jan. Si. at twelve , ' at the Court of Commissioners 1 ":.! a t'athins' ' WaPPin9, Wall, Middlesex, ex, merchant, Jan. 6, at r,.,; , t, li n _ e . Court of Commissioners - J. Browne, Canterbury, I _. k .y . l! mp e r, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioncrs qt. r (6 3 , aid H. Buckland, Gutter-lane, lace-manufac 11,1er ' „an. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-L. I. La- Itire ~.`- a Momile-street. merchant, Jan. 6, at two, at the lilt.r Cornmissioneit-W. Graves Sherbora-lane printer, 'Wax, Yorkshire, In -In-milliner: Jan. 9, at eleven at the '44„.° 1 Commissioners-W. Stone, Rutlandlalace ' Upper eet, coal-merchant, lan. 6, at twelve , at the ' Court of ,I,TI ioners--W. and C. Adroi.. New-road, St. kancras, and e ' 4 4li F eh r am -street, Fitzroy-square, stone-masons, .hn. 10, at r il l at the Court of Commissioners-A White and W. I,ls Met- Conduit -street, linen-draper, Ja...n.at twelve, at the ) •e t t... 4 tirtro, Esq. to 0 ept ii .l . 4 " . • e ne ut t e , n o a r n , t G , 11 e 1: t y . ; me ,' oO -% Oct. 3. wtorg',/ ffee-b v E 0, • tittl.:el32tingLOditnlimrChymia,nnilceNA the lht l el l t oper li. se the 4... BAN] pf 44 6 , j i ° RN A LVERS , Pr° v ' 0 l'b tp l VI L übt.--, . LIAM BAR c o, sti 1 .tt4, r rnder D ec , 3, elisgiainssioncrs. Bo: r , .5. ~ 4 1v :street. j are jr 4 . IlOPKIN: g' yO f 4 'l '3 '. 27 , at two h n e c •foll i li JA 4 l 4 l E l s m 6 e, R on Al (ir'o i , l 'i;r:Ph . a,,nd Jan. 2i , kA AL '" , reat Eastc'h 1y.,4h N I 1 4:1) 111 . 0 Rli I ) ,, e n e i l k i , s, '„. 3 0, at eleven, I the t j •at it' . e ETAl r l a .Z . S io E r' l a tD e r , tr l t all n . e, 27 , at tit 'ice , 4, ) It o t. l ,oiiers. , Jor t de er u4t 11 _1.1_ALI e nA 1 . 4 1 e ,: ..71, atg , 1 4 ~.r . , :, 1 SNO co l o f th e ki4' I LLIA "4". u ' ir e ll , 4 U s t urr o e f i, ) ' 3, at . ' e , i n n 3 O n a t i t o! !, fa l, ~ ,t . ,?,‘ l t t_3, Commis atio o o o 9 41,144,tre;zreai oknietzra7.l r i l i s g ifale• I ‘l ,l\l't,',.-street, 'Surr Oct . 1 A I Tilt] 1 st o,,urrier, Dec.: . off, doi'art of Commis a , s, 0 ~”tt ,-AIT HIATT, p oi , . 9 %,,,,,' . 9 , 26, and Jan p° o., h4(4 i i 'S C A h ß al !•?Cl, s h T o d a t -4 ) , ) 7, 27, and Jan lev° Vl.6 4 „frolk. Wigl re ~ 0 . 21 , IGI , NAVI Fo u " i 'lt - ',.ndJa 4 tt. 27 at ! u s4ll' 's l N, I. LI n- - 1) if Weathersto , t) tie, ,I ta It•i 2 A3 1 JON/ 0 1 I ate; O. '4 tt4,,, ~ and Jan. t- ' 3 l e P4' ' e ' A e4 Ta ir l . nri r d l o o n bt t, v i ° ,0 4 I tli N liell.'l ELL' a r aor , ),) )1 1 ' 4 41, e l ' i . n n a , res at b .s o b r c ( ,. 3 avi'W . l,2;kko i hdon ; Gill,T , ‘n. ES BOARDII n n i, 1 4 • VilVnt Dec :N • rine io lyt i, i 44 otel M . n ' nc 1 7,4 0 , 4 A \ts, Chancery ; Pr ° o r/ 1. 4 1' lI RFW WI - - 'hi' mil i't't7 • II( ien Pi f if t ? 4 14 1 (14 14 one, at t (T r y e e e dh+ k I)l,,,g °r Y, and F, r 4 .4 L o h „can, Li , verpt r tr 'to ' , A r NN RIG air ! / 11 :1' 4 . at t rain 1 ter, •‘,9. 31,. ar A 4PAZ',,,, Ellio n t7, l 2Ol _. Jet_ ZisOT'] ft - f, , , t i pin , , , o at ,,,, id Jan. ie r . , i , oe 4 4,itlii6ttgichdallge ' e. c i i ,e9P o . ,tt„ . . ~,MAS CILOS o i l i itVl4l. 24 , and Ja! Ist,ilj )tr . ,e l r ningham. rtnc s ,o , ot, i titM In , ingham. bgee, Ntr tA.S GILL iers 41 11 / 4 4 t h:1117- Z, at th v to,. .nn, Bath. 4 3,f A' ~ h k il id k it I.ondon ; P Y ' :,illi t ,ti„. LES SHEF ~. Su'f 4 iticto L i,." - 2a-dealer, I; 7,., to t 0 ,;,. 4 -P, 4 4 , ,,pf commis! d ol o okiikt t , tl ll z-ast. w oe! . tr,ikt l'tt: NELSON' li h° 6 : l etAn,t /3 ,,ee. 20, at e , orti v 'e t t fba uh , -nurt of C , 'l ,t 4 f q4 1 4, 1,1N,'• Its I ' 0 S PRINGE' I NO, ',,1 k,, a, a rd27, hon'',il, dkt t , 'll 4, Clem ent's In couli,:00 't h. , 4 re, IA M BISSI a nd. , t tt.'q WJan. 4, at el) ~, ? r e, goodghhori 1 105.,,p . ,:, P4i,„.rrow intil'i;tr, :ttu r ,,'"t . ... l, WOOD t he ilitz i l• I—, Dec. T. 3, ; ,0: e „t a n. Halifax. h littl'et•tNetik, ra don • Edw r o f ri t ,e 1,4 0 ji.c hy, . z k , ,"I II,I I `Z w OIi A I Ls tIS H O an' , e t , v,„„, at ~ Qu' .• t - 'l s t 'lle at the A .. 0 $ , 1. 9 . Pr;so '' / . Adlingtor rA i i;t "d EL E ov 0t it t1 ,4 ,. i., birr,hCprlstiii cE 5 ' • Q 4 1$ F 3 P 1 , 1 criiTlA, ....•%0 ti 0, id of 10.01, t, for her e Tx`, )1 , 111, u»d t ed i 0 rY~ r H~ I; a lv dy the sotoe le !,1,1,1, No. 12.251. LONDON ; SATURDAY 4VENING, DECEMBER It, 18:31. S EC()N 1) El )11 1 1 Jk SUN OFFICE, Seven o'Clook IMPERIAL PA RLIAMENT OF THIS EVENING. ROUSE OP COMMONS. (CONTINUED FROM OUR FOURTH PAGE.) Mr. S. WORTLEY, in continuation, said—he had now e x . stained to the House the length to which he agreed with the provisions of the present Bill; and if it were asked why? when he was prepared to disfranchise to the extent of schedule A, and to enfranchise to a considerable extent, lie was still not prep arm i to vote for the second reading of the present Bill, his answer was, that he had not maile,these admissiens Open any conyiction ahat such alterations. were either .eXeedi6it or rt-"ce"lrY.—illear, bar; hear.) If Government still Was determined to per_ severe in forcing upon that House, and upon the great body : .01 the intelligent, wealthy, and respectable part of the ' community, this Bill through successive sessions, he shouldjtery much regret such a course of procedure; but still he hoparleth et litany. who had preViously supported Government wouloVen.: operate with those who v. ere de •irous to wad, and make , the Riff_ less objectivable; and as sere for the - countr ak p,citssible. • ---- M• ear."' At all events, he trusted there would still be Spirit !gild cpurage enough iti th eliiends of the Constitution to enablethem to &new that front in a bold and fearless discharge of their duty to the House and to the public, as should again save the country - from the infliction of this ill-advised and dangerous measure.— (Cheers from the Opposition.) • Mr. GODSON then addressed the House, but in so low a tone that it was with much difficulty we could hear him. The altera tion, he said, that had taken place in this Bill had not touchdcl the principle, and, therefore, he would.. support it •by his vote.—(Hear.) The IN. clause, although altered', somewhat bimuglit biek the fiatichise, and made it more conformable to the common law right. In every quarter it was admitted that some Reform was necessary, and indeed why should its necessity not be admitted ? For what was Reform but the adaptation of the Constitution of former times to the spirit and intelligence of those in which we live? The main question now was, the per mitting of the present Bill to go into Committee. Why should Honourable Gentlemen object to the second reading by long speeches, when.they knew .by the vote of last session that the Bill mteit go into Cdmmittee 7 The qliestion *as net whey , bet this one or that belonged to one party or another, acting with the Ministry or any other party, the duty of all in that House was to suit the Constitution to the present changes in the circumstances of society ; and in the committee the details of the Bill would be sufficiently attended to. Colonel WOOD could have no difficulty in voting on this occasion, and in voting for the second reading. He had voted for the second readus of the List Bill, and he had dont so under a sincere wish that that 8111 might Have iinclefgone in Com mittee such amendments and alterations as would have qualified him in voting for the passing of that Bill into a law; but the Bill had unfortunately, in his opinion, been forced through the Committee with little or no alterations, and the consequence of that indiscreet haste had been the losing of the BilL He hoped that though this Bill had been considerably amended, yet that as it contained several things objectionable, it would in Committee be stripped of those objections, which to him it still seemed liable to. He would state wherein it was in his opinion still objectionable ; anti hoe/ fait. it liad been amended. In the first place he thought preserving the present numbers of the House a very great amendment. But though the numbers had been maintained, the proportion ofthe Members returnedto Parlia ment by the three Kingdoms had remained which was a great fault. The relative proportion of Members from the three kingdoms were fixed at the most important periods, namely the Union with. Scotland and the Union with Ireland and the arrange. ment of those periods ought Mit now to be diliturbed. The present Bill was based on property and taxation; and he thought if the relative proportions were taken in reference to taxation, it would appear that Ireland in particular had any reason to complain of not having a fair number of representatives, for that country paid only about five millions of taxes, ' while England and Scotland paid about forty millions. ' He hoped, therefore, that in Committee he would see the pre sent number of Irish Members retained. It was decidedly against the feeling of the English people that the number of Irish representatives should be ihereased at the expense of the English. As to the schedules, he found that in schedule A. there were 56-56 there were in the last schedule A, but then the present 56 were certainly not precisely the same as the last. '1 he present schedule was framed on a much juster basis than the last, though he (the Gallant Colonel) could not well judge of the basis until the House knew exactly how the particulars respecting each borough had been drawn up. Lieut. Drum- , mond's calculation seemed to be very ingenious, but at present the merits of it were not known. He could not see what particular merit there was in the number fifty.six.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The Noble Lord who had introduced this Bill had said it was necessary to draw an arbitrary line, and he supposed, therefore, it must he taken that, draw this line as it might, it might produce fifty-six. It might be, also, that this number of titty-six had been introduced in consequence of what a Noble Earl was represented to have said in another place, . which was„ that.- he would- not consent—to—be -a party the bringing forward of any measure which was less efficient 84).. than the last Bill. He hoped, however, that this was not the cause, else it could not be expected that justice was to be attended to. With respect to schedule B, that schedule was defective. If there were any nomination boroughs in it, they ought to be taken out and put into schedule A and disfranchised at once; but if not then, the Constitution gave to the boroughs in that schedule the representatives, and it would be injustice now to deprive them of one of them.—(Hear.) In the next place, as regarded corporate bodies, his opinion was that all corporations should be allowed to retain all the rights and privileges they now possessed. There was an inconsistency in the Bill. The Noble Lord whointroduced themeasure had stated, that where it was his Majesty's pleasure to grant a charter to a new town the electors were to have new corporate rights. Now if Govern. ment gave new corporate rights to enfranchised towns, with what colour of justice could they take away corporate rights in towns that already existed? Wherever freeholders were in any city or borough, he hoped that, contrary to the anomaly of the last Bill, they should, from 40s. and upwards, have a right to vote in that city or borough. He trusted too, that copyhold rightt of voting would be adopted. With respect to the 10/ right of voting, there was an imperfection that it would be necessary to rectify. A s it at present stood, and as he understood it, the man who cccupied a house valued 101. and paid poors' rates, without any specific value, was to have that right of voting. Now this would be ex tremely inconvenient, it would inundate the country with end less questions as to value. From one end of the land to another, it would be impossible, without endless litigation, to fix the right, or to produce a real and efficient title of franchise founded on it. In fact this was the very qualification under which the right of settlement was granted, but that occasioned such uni versal litigation in the Court of Sessions, that that right of ob taining a settlement was repealed, and the only mode which was afterwards fixed was the occupation of a house of 101. rated at that rent. His opinion, therefore, was that the household quali. fication should belong to a person holding a 101. house, and rated at that sum. By this means all the questions of registry would be settled, and the country would not be inundated by travelling barristers, solicitors, and attornies, and the whole train of others whom it would be disagreeable to mention. He had one consi deration to suggest to the Noble Lord. He trusted, if that Noble Lord was of opinion that this registration was of great importance, if his object could not well be gained without it, that the Bill should be divided, and that the registry clauses should be sub.. mitted apart ; they might then stand or fall by their own merit. Why should such complicated clauses, whose importance and necessity he very much doubted, be dragged through this and the other House at the heels of the Reform Bill. So much was lie of this opinion that he almost felt it to be his duty to give notice of a motion upon the subject in Committee ; but he was unwilling to do so lest he should be charged with interposing a barrier to the progress of the Bill, merely for the sake of delay. He stated this, however, most conscientiously, and with a view to the due construction of the Bill. He certainly would vote for the second reading of the measure, and he hoped that in a Com mittee it would undergo such amendments as would not only pass in that House, but would ensure a favourable recep. Lion for it in the other branch of the Legislature. He was however, certainly anxious that, amended and stripped of its objectionable qualities, it should be passed into a law. But it would be much better that each party should make some con cession—concession should not all come from one quarter. But if each party hereand elsewhere conceded a little, the question would no doubt speedily and satisfactorily to the country be ami cably adjusted.—(Hear.) , Sir HENRY WILLOUGHBY said, the necessity for any 1 measure of Reform rested on the state of the constituency of that House, and never since the Revolution had its constituency stood on socontracted a basis. So far from having increased in proportion to the wealth and intelligence of the country, it had most materially since 1688 been narrowed and contracted. The admission of great towns to a share in the representation was strictl v constitutional, while the question of disfranchisement was not new to the Constitution. There were now eighty places in this country which had once returned Members to that House, which did not now enjoy that right. As to the household constituency he had his doubts however whether the 101. qualifi cation was sufficiently high in large towns. As to the advantages which would be derived from such a measure of Reform to the people at large, he was not so sanguine in his expectations as to say that an increase of labour or of wages would perhaps be the result, but the great besetting sin of all Governments, whether Whig or Tory, a too liberal handling of public money, would by that means be prevented from occurring; and upon the important questions to be brought forward before the House, the East India monopoly, the Bank Charter, and many other questions, the people would have th e i r own represen t a ti ves to d eterm i ne them, and if they relinquished their duty, or betrayed their trust, they would closely and vigilantly be watched, so that benefit by that means would accrue to the country. Colonel SIBTHORPE rose for the purpose of opposing the se cond reading of the Bill. In doing so the Gallant Colonel ob served that they were now called upon to come to a decision on a measure which had been introduced in a very imperfect state ment by the Noble Lord opposite only on Monday last,-on which depended the security and welfare of the country at large. The Hon. Member for Cane had told the House yesterday, that there danger in outinh astY measures, and that his Majesty's Mi nistersgreat defects in the former measure; but in his opinion, if ever there was a measure brought forward in haste, and which required great deliberation, it was the present wasgrea h t a d d one. Though he was one that was not opposed to all Reform, —though he saw no necessity for it, yet until he saw such measure recommended by Ministers as would give a safe and salutary Reform, he should fearlessly in his place give his decided opposition to all measures. No person would have felt more grateful than himself to have seen his Majesty's Ministers introduce that species of Reforni to which he could have given his conscientious vote. With regard, however, to the present Bill, he was ready to admit every tittle that was given should be received with candour; but to his mind, notwithstanding all the improvements that had been talked of, there still remained in the Bill those exceptionable clauses which he could not stomach, for if he did he felt certain he shonld be sick at heart. The 101, clause appeared to him neither more nor less than one of the most unjust he had ever beheld, for he felt confident it would operate so partially one way, and be so binding another, that neither justice nor security could have been taken into consi deration in the framing of it. Much had been said of the al terations in schedules A and * B. What had been done in those schedules appeared to him like a little changing sloes and back again, but still there remained those sweeping enactments which he could never countenance. As to the alterations in schedule B, he agreed with an Honourable Member who addressed the House last night, that the Ministry might almost as well have done away with that schedule altogether. Another objectionable point was the division of counties. The perpetuity of resident freemen, lie admitted, was desirable, but no thanks were due to his Majesty's Ministers for that, it was but an act of strict justice to continue it to them, and a very great robbery to take it from them. It had beensiven as a sort of sugar-plum,or cOmposing'draught, by which Ministers hoped to make theirpeace with those who, by the last Bill, they intended to rob. He wished r the f oble liclfcl's opposite (Lord J. Russell's) attention to the next point he should advert to, minlelyi with regard to the right of voting in counties corporate. When he looked at the present Bill he found many cities, which were counties of themselves, omitted, such as Canterbury, Exeter, Haverford West, Lich. field, Nottingham, and Norwich ; he wished, therefore, to now what , sort of voting they were to have, wheth er th ey were know what sort of voting they were to have, whether they were d eote for the:town or the county ? Lord JOHN. RtAsrui risked Whether the Gallant Colonel wished him to answer that question novi Colonel SIBTHORPE observed, that he did not wish it an- Swered.now, but he knew many Members who were under the same difficulty ag: himself in making out the meaning of the present Bill, which , he believed nobody could understand.-- (Hear, hear.) He was glad however to find that the farmer of fifty pounds a year was at last to have some little voice in the representation of the county in the HouSC of Commons. There was another part of the Bill of last session, which he (Colonel Sibthorpe) was glad to see his Majesty's Ministers had thought was more honoured in the breach than in the observance. He alluded to that part of the present Bill which said there should be no diminution in the number of Members of that House. Had it been so, he would have considered it a itiott unttise and impolitic measure; for he had often seen most important business transacted in that , Thuse, when it would have been difficult to have counted 30 Members present; indeed he might almost say fifteen. For that part of the present measure he gave his thanks to the advisers of his Majesty. He Could not let the present opportunity pass without stating his opinion 'on the county . representation. He considered that it was -distributed:Jnost impartially. There was the -consistlw he resided, and for whose interests he felt deeply, a county of upwards of one of,acres, and which contained b aoo,odo inhabitants, was allowed illy one ifierE Member than the comparatively insignificant city and county of Durham.— There was also the flourishing and improving town of Grimsby, it was to be shorn of one of its Members, and for what reason ? The reason given on the discussion of the last Bill was that its population fell short of the number of four thousand, but what was the fact now ? By the late population returns it appeared that it now far exceeded that number, but still its Member. was not, to be restored. He considered that his Majesty's Ministeri had hastily brought .forward this measure before they had had sufficient information, in ortier .to keep themselves in place. No doubt it was a most unpleasing duty for a man to say, I am not able to fill the situation which I hold, but he considered that if the present Ministry had retired as they ought to have done, they would have deserved well of their country. Mr. SLANEY would not trespass long upon the time and at tention of the House, but he could not give a silent vote upon a question of such importance, and when the interests of a large proptirtion of the people were at stake. He was not one wh o was bound to any party by interest—his opillibn was rnfettered. He considered if ever there was a time when conciliation to the people was necessary, the present was that time. Reform had been called for with a loud voice from every part of the country, and his Majesty's Ministers in obedience to that call had brought forward a measure which would give the people those rights to which they were entitled, and of which they had been so long deprived, and at the same time deprived no one tit anythifig to Which they had a right to possess. His Majesty's Ministers, while they had liter' tffixleus to retain the great principles of the lain measure, had shewn a most laud able desire to conciliate the Hon. Members opposite who were opposed to the measure. This would also shew Hon. Mem bers that the Bill ought to go into Committee, when they might propose any amendment which in their opinion would improve the measure. The question now was, not only in that House, but throughout the country, whether a great measure of Reform was not necessary. This was a question which had been answered ifs the affirmative by the united voice of the people. He would consider that those who Voted against theßill this night, voted against the wishes of nine-tenths of those whom they ought to represent. If he were allowed he would state a few facts which showed the absolute necessity of a change in the representation. Seventy years ago the agricultural.popu lation was two to one to the manufacturing. Twenty years ago they were equal, and now the manufacturing population was more than as two to one to them that are engaged in agriculture. Still, while all these changes were going forward, none took place in the representation of these interests. He would state one other fact which was proved by the papers on the table of the House,. from these papers it appeared that 38 of the boroughs which were placed in schedule A paid in taxes only 10e/. each, while 38 of those towns which were to have representatives paid to the comparative enormous amount of 26,0004 It was but just as well, as politic, to give to these large towns what they ardently desired. It had been said that they were virtually represented, but that was an argument which no sen. sible man could honestly support. There was another reason why representation ought to beconceded to these large towns. It was well known that the population in these towns were engaged in trades which were liable to great fluctuations, and of course their interests requiredvigilantattention,which could only begiven by their having representatives in that House for themselves. He asked, would it not be an advantage to such great towns as Manchester, Sheffield, and Birmingham to have representatives in that House, to state the causes of their distress, and to propose some remedy for them. Some distress arose from causes over which the Government had no controul, which was an addi. tional reason why they should have representatives who would be enabled to point out to them that the Government were not in fault, and were not the cause of their distress. Those per. sons would then bear with patience the evils which they knew could not be remedied • but at present there were persons be_ Sound who told , timilro thot-ali -the distress-arose `from'' the measures pursued by Government. He felt convinced that many of the dioturbaneeS that prevailed occa. sionally in some of the manufacturing districts, would be either wholly prevented in future, or much lessened if those great bodies had representatives in that House. He asked was it not a matter of justice, policy, and experience, that the great cotton and manufacturing districts should have representatives? It might be said that although they had no direct representatives, yet that they were indirectly represented by Members for other places.— (Hear.) It was true that many gentlemen might attend to the causes of distress that prevailed in those districts, but would they be believed, would any Hon. Member for Old Sarum, Gatton, or any other close borough, though he might speak with the tongue of an angel, be believed ? Those Members were, doubtless, men of talent and intelligence ; was known known that they had no const i tuents Looking at the que s ti on i n which buul e t y while wonld n it not be ever way he could, he felt it to be one of the deepest concern to themselves and their posterity. There were a million of persons engaged in the cotton trade, giving a property in the land to the amount of 30 millions a year. Ought they not to be represented in that House ? Should any reasonable proposition be made in the Committee, let it come from whatever quarter it would, if it appeared to him to be any thing like an improvement upon the Bill he would give it his support, for all he wished was to make it such a Bill as would fully satisfy the people. There were eight representatives given to the districts engaged in the cotton trade; three to the different metal trades of Binning ham, Sheffield, Wolverhampton, ; three to the woollen. manufacturers, one to the Potteries (a trade employing an im mense number of people, originally created by a single family, and now exporting to the amount of two millions a year) one to the carpet manufactures; three to the shipping interest, and a cer tain number to places in which great wealth had accumulated by the industry of individuals. Now he had not heard any objection to those places, but the objection was to the disfranchisement of close boroughs. The people, however, would not be satisfied till the representation of those boroughs was destroyed. So long as the people saw that those borough representatives spoke only the opinions and wishes of their proprietors, there would be no peace or tranquillity. He implored the House to abstain from that violence in discussion, which had marked the proceedings of last session, and to consider Calmly and d e li. b erate ly what they should best with the Bill now before them, and with the people demanding it. His deep conviction was, that unless the question was settled, and that speedily, the calm, and industrious state, which they people would have their nature and character changed should they get into a state of excitement calmed, so long as the question on 'ea th s e il i y r minds remained unsettled. - (Hear.) Members rose to address the House, but the Mr. CUST, who complained of the situation in which the borough of Lostwithiel was placed in the new Bill, and wished the Noble Lord to give him some explanation of it for the infor mation of his constituents. He felt gratified that the rights of the freemen had been looked to,and was gladto see other alterations. whichS tbef l e oAef e moy a br e a atethtaul that a po ssessed,l e tm tdyd opnh l e d zeeatd o ebls e n A:" The present was indeed a troublesome season, and there was, he feared, but one step between the changes that were now proposed if they were granted, and the destruction of the country; he hoped, therefore, that House would not willingly accede to the second reading of the Bill. Sir JOHN BURKE looked upon the machinery of the Bill as much improved through all its stages ; it had at last gained so much, that if a division were now to take place, there would, in riddition to those who had previously supported it, be a great accession to the number of its friends. Many had been con. verted, and had adopted the opinion of his Majesty's Ministers. Many Anti-Reformers had changed their opinions, and had be come friendly to the Bill, but none that had formerly supported it would be found now to relinquish it. They had been taunted with not having sufficiently debated the question, but surely after the late discussion that objection could no longer be urged. While he was prepared to give his most cordial support to the English Bill, he was yet prepared to object to the Ministerial measure of Reform that had been proposed for Ireland. He would indeed, at the proper time, give notice of a Motion for for the purpose of having the Scotch and Irishßills read a second time before going into a Committee on the English Bill. His reason for this was that upon every principle of justice there ought to be an addition to the Members for Ireland. The case of Ireland, by means of this motion, would be fairly brought before the House, and if too many Members were found to be given to the metropolitan towns, it would be competent for the Committee to determine how tar Ireland might be benefitted by them. He was prepared to show that whether considered according to population, or extent, or property, Ireland had not any thing like her due proportionate share in the representation. In return for the support which he should give to the English Bill, he hoped that Members would enter upon the Irish Bill with the same zeal, candour and impartiality which the Irish Members had already bestowed on the English Bill. Mr. BARING WALL having been an opponent of the last Bill would continue to oppose the present, because in all es sential points it was its counterpart. There was no 'person who felt more strongly than he did, the awful situation in which the country was placed, and who felt more deeply than he did, the absolute necessity that something in the way of conciliation should be done. The Hon. Member thought it most important to state, that this Bill was the Bill belonging to Govern ment, and not of theirs (the Hon. Gentle man on the Opposition side). They had nothing to do with the responsibility of it, and he could not allow the Members of the present Government to say they had made alterations, and that those alterations were concessions to the opposers of the Bill. They were no concessions at all to them—they were con cessions to reason and justice. He was, however, ready to admit that most of the alterations of this Bill might be colizitiered as amendments. The sche dule A had been taken upon a new basis.—(Hear, hear.) Little time had been given for Honourable Members to reflect upon whether that basis was one on which it be e s x bh ped uotuld i h e e nt taho to duigshfra g t ro ntch u he n is d Hinog a use s s e ch l o i u e+u hl l t e e tob o he f avdeaisgleedamne ucwhpooi r maet to consider before they were called upon to approve or disapprove of that schedule—(Hear, hear, from the Opposition) He thought there were many reasons wh ich ought to rave in duced the Government to make more concessions than they had done in the measure which they already had just brought forward. H e could not but call upon his Majesty's Ministers to recollect that since Parliament had last met the voice of the House of Lords had been against them. He was sure the Members of his Majesty's Government would be the last persons in the , world to assert that there was no property , no talent, no right in the House of Lords to be regard upon a great and important question like the present--(Loud cries of .. Hear.") He called upon the Government to recnllect that not only had the House of Lords declared against them but that the Church had declared against them. And he would say when 'he heard arguments raised concerning the interestedness of that great and learned body that the House ought never to forget the important truth that the Church owed almost the whole' tit the patronage it enjoyed to the Lord Chancellor and the Governmerif.. - .4Loud cheers.) He thought likewise, that the very circumstafice of his Ilajesty's Government having proposed amendments in thg Bill; it WO of figt proved to the House that the measure which they had L+efote Propesed Was not a perfect measure; and that this was a reason ti.)* They should not now come forward, and again say they Woriki stand , by the Bill, the whole Bill, and nothing but the Bill. He teloicea, in' the al tered tone of the supporters of this Bill, though fie Coit ri ot admit there was any alteration' in 'the language used 1 the Minister& 'l)te Hon. Member for Shrewsbury had begged the House to reallet't .that this was was no party measure. He entirely concurred with 'het, Honourable Member in that sentiment and recommendation. Pe recollected also that the Hon. Member for Liverpool had said thtt th 4 house was not a talisman of truth, but he sometimes said one tlitri hi it and sometimes another, when he (Mr. W.) recollected that eeiifle. men,when they went into the country to meet their constituents would have to depend more upon the middling class of society for their return than they hat" e'er before done, he was not sur prised to hear it said that the lanear of Hon. Gentlemen in that House should not always be the sathtrAn the House. For his own part he must say a speech less Calculated to support the provisions of the Bill now under CCri seleration than the Hon. Member for St. Alban's, he had never heard delivered ; and he had no doubt that that Honourable Itlentbet• would be found voting on his (the Opposition) side of the Honer& He inferred from that Hon. Member's speech also, and speak'ng sever the Treasury it was to .be supposed that speee . li halt upon au- • thority, that the metropolitan Members in faVoUr of the measure would not be found to be sustained. With regard to the nomination boroughs, certainly public opinion had been, so strongly expressed against them, had brought forward a measure so extensive ts to inlltnle those nomination boroughs, he for one thought it would Ile letter to give them all up to gether than to give them up by . halves. He there fore was prepared to support the disfianettislng schedule, to the extent to which Government proposed to carry that ache. dule, provided upon examination it was flund to be a far and real one.—(Hear, hear, hear, and loud cheering.) He was glad to hear what an Honourable and Gallant Friend had observed repecting the borough of Lostwithiel. He thought it a piece of gross negligence on the part of the Ministers that they should comd down and state that the borough of Lostwithiel was in schedule B, and that on the very night after that state ment was made, the Bill itself should inform the House that Lostwithiel was in schedule .A.,--(Hear, hear. hear.) Were people's feelings, or were their pia tights arid privileges to be trifled with in this way! Down went the poet to Lostwithiel on the night on which the measure was brought in, and informed the inhabitants that the borough of Lostwithiel was safe, the Reform Bill was immediately popular there, and, in all pro bability, the healths of his Majesty's Ministers were freely drank on that night.—(l-lear, hear, and laughter.) Next day's post took them the finings t h at I:ortwithel was placed in schedule A. then what was the time ? Probably tqe Member of his Majesty's Ministerf were burnt in effigy, and he was not sure that the yeomanry might not very soon have to be called out to quell disturbances in that part of Corn. wall.—(Hear.) With respect to schedule B, that schedule was not only inexpedient but unpopular. He believed that the only part of the Bill which was popular throughout the country was the extinction of the nomination boroughs, and the extention of the electivefrauchise.Cheers.) To schedule A. he (Mr, W.) had certainly become a converti—(Hear, hear, hear . ) A convert he could hardly call himself, ' for his opinions remained the same, but a convert to that schedule on account of the alarming state of the counfry. It was the fashion in the Government side of the House to claim attachnient to the people; but he begged to observe, that he was as much attached to the rights and paivilega of the people as well as to the principles of the Crown, as any man in that House. All he disliked Was the noisy factious demagogues, which ex cited and aggravated the country. He felt glad at seeing a bow in schedule B with which he had been long con nected, at the same time he would not allow the Govern. ment to have credit for concession. If they were to have concessions, those concessions would have to be dated from this evening, because the Bill on the table was the Bill to which Government was pledged, and the House had nothing what ever to do With the old 'Bill. With respect to the situation of the different boroughs, though he wasunwilling fo hazard an opinion at present, if the adjustment of the belance in the old Bill was right, it followed that that adjustment must be however wrong now ; and he therefore wished to hear some explanation upon this either from the Mem bers of the Crown, of from some of the supporters that they might be then and there pruned down to the opinions which they thought proper to advocate. He could not help re garding this as a very great and important question, and that whatever the result of the deliberations of the House upon it might b_ ,e it would be proved to be so throughout thy country. He knew not whether he spoke the opinions of his constituents or not, but his opinion was that Government had done perfectly right in not giving more representatives. to Ireland, but he weut so far as to say that he thought it a positive evil that any alteration in the representative Members of Ireland should have been made at aIL No new interests in commercial towns had arisen in Ireland to justify the increase of the representative Membes of that country; and the argument as to population would cot hold. In the next place' he had to otter his tribute of approbation of the conduct of the Gentleman Commissioners who had been appointed by Government. He knew not whether most to admire their zeal - theirtnastrigexpeditlon with which thi•Yheid despatched business. The Noble Lord I(the Chancellor of the Exchequer, had last night alluded to a passage in Lord Clarendon's history of the Rebellion, and as some parts of it referred very closely to what was passing at the present moment, with the permission iss c l i o a n rei o , S on the sa ll d o , he shou ld ng kof reade s t o tm m e. e ‘ Tige r a ie h la s ego it r; that there were men of great parts, and unspeakable learning, and then he said in auother part, the Government was in the hands of men who were only interested in doing good for themselves, and cared nothing for doing good for the people. He said that, with respect to the people, there wasthe same restlessness of disposition as there existed at the present moment—the same tone of innovation—the same calling for disolutien of Parliament—the same feeling against the church, and the same cry of " Down the Bishops," following in every particular what was going on in the present day, even to the more trivial points—the analogy held good. The Lords could not go down to the House without meeting with the grossest insults; they were fol. lowed by the mob, calling them "rotten-hearted Lords;" and what was most extraordinary, there were at that time Black Lists—(whether in red and white he could not say)— hawked about in every alley, and posted against every wall, in the city of London. With respect to Ireland there was a great similarity at the present time. She was termed " a gulph to swallow, a sponge to draw ;" for after Lord Clarendon had referred to all this, and at the conclusion of these statements he draws the attention of the reader thus, he says that after the passing of the attainder, and the settlement of the Parliament, the public mind, became " mavellously calm and composed."—(Loud cheering.) He, the Honourable Member, had no doubt that after the passing of the psesent Reform Bill the minds of the people would become " marvellously calm and composed—'Loud cheering)—but it must be remem bered that there would follow that dreadful re-action that would succeed to disappointment. When the House of Lords was abolished, the Church went to the ground, and the King was assassinated. He (Mr. Baringwall) did by no means envied the feelings of that individual, who after having read the details of that book could come to the discus sion of a question like the present without fear and trein bling.—(Loud cheering, and cries of" Hear.") The incapacity of his Majesty's Government became every day more and more apparent. Who would be the parties he would ask, who would be benefited by this measure ? Not those who were now so loudly clamouring for the passing of the Bill. He did not wish to speak with the slightest disrespect of any man—he was besides by far too old a courtier, and much too young a man to speak with disrespect of the party who would succeed, but he would say that if the Whigs would only listen to the voice of reason, and agree to adopt the modifications of the Bill, which we on this side of the House are willing to propose. No man could hesitate to say that the peace of the country would be insured, and the Ministry would gather strength. The Hon. Member sat down amidst loud cheers, with stating that he should vote against the second reading of the Bili. Mr. CRESSETT PELHAM concurred entirely with the sen timents of the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, and as he conscientiously believed that the Bill would not be attended with those beneficial results which were anticipated, he should vote against its second reading. Lord W. LENNOX said the people of England felt that they had not been properly represented, and nowdemanded thas share in the representation which was withheld from them. They did not claim it as a matter of expediency or policy, but as a right due to them. He highly approved of the alterations made in the Bill, and denied that they were in accordance with the opinions entertained by Hon. Members opposite, during the dis cussion of last session. Mr. PRAED had been waiting with much anxiety to hear from the opposite side of the House something to which it would be worth a reasonable man's mind to turn his attentiou.—(Loud cries of hear.) He did not allude to the speeches this evening, for except the speeches of one ox two Members, on one or two par. ticular points, the speech delived by his Hon. Frind (Mr. C.) last night had been unanswered. Many of the changes made lin the Bill had been unexplained, although it was the duty of Minisiers to explain all of them.—(Hear, hear.) All the material canges were those which had been last session insisted on by his side of he House, but Ministers claimed the credit for the introduction. He asked what were those changes ? One was the test of populationwhich was abandoned, and another more correct, adopted, That alteration was urged on his side of the House last session, as was that relatiug to the census, in taking the population of 1830, in preference to that which was ten years older. Court of reonimistithiersaaN. 8., And A. B. trench, and 1. Bar ten, Old aiouth Sca-house, Broad-street, merchants, Jan. 6, at three, at the Court of Commissioners-Ann Peowrie, Middle tow, Holborn, straw-hat-manufacturer, Jan. 9, at one, at the Court of -Commissionert-H. and Ann Crutch, Lowdwater, Chipping Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, paper-Manufacturers, Jan. 6, at nine, at the Court of Commissioners-J. F. Smallinani Basingliall-street, Blackwell Hall-factors' J 4tan. 6, at tic), at the Court of Commissioners,J. Kirby and. Thomas, Knights bridge; linertatirapeis,. Jan. 10, at one, at the Court of Commis sioneita-A. it. G. Fortier, Norwich, tea-dealer, Jan. 6, at twelve, at tife Court of CoMmissioners-J. R. de Alzedo, Bank-buildings, merchant, Jan. 6,, at twelve, at the Coirrt of Coehrritssioners- W. L. Ogilby and Sir D. Ogilby, Ingram-court, Feneherre. street, merchants, Jan. 6,. at twel v e, at the Court of Commis. sionersaall. Winstrinlen jUn. , King-street, Cheapside, and G. Hudson; Manthester, warehousemen, Jan. 9, at ten, at the Court of tnnimissioners-S, Medley, Watling-street, tallow-chandler, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-A. Andrews, Swansea, Glamorganshire, draper, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-W. Austin, Powis-street, Woolwich, iron monger, Jan. 6, at three, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Ma,nton, Hanover-square, gun-maker, Jan. 10; at olia, at the Court of Commissioners , Snowball, Brook-street, Rateliff, victualler, Jan, 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-H. Wood, 3 . Wood, and J. Wood, Chandos-street, Covent-garden, haberdashers ; Jan. 10, at twelve, at the Court of Commissionei-s -I'. Oillcr and J. Shepherd, Manchester, coachamakets, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-O. Noyes, Strand, linen. draper ; Jan. 6, at three, at t:Ve Court of Commissioners-C, T_ Heath; Sekitatatir-place, Euston-square, ma raver, Jan. 6 a at one, at the Cok.trt of Commissioners-1L Priestley,-High-Holborat,hook teller, Jan. 6 , at ten, at the C o urt comillissionera-La Bire,P4aa' aners-enartaßroadastratt, merchant, Jan. 9, at two, at the Court of Commissioners-T. Flint, Burlington-arcade, haat:seller, Jan. at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners,J,Ponteri, Strand, hat maker, Jan. R, at eleven, at theC,otirt or Commissioners-A. Mil ler, Oxford-street, booksag J lela an. 10, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-al Marshall, Foster-lane, Cheapside, warehouse man, Jan. 10, at twelve, at the Court of Comsnissieners-W. Bishop, Palace New-road, Lambeth, victualler, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Vanzeller, New Broad-street, London, merchant; Jan. 10, at one, at the Court of Commis sioners-Sir M. Bloxam, T. Wilkinson, and W. Bloxam, Grace. church-street, bankers, Jan. 6, at two, at the Court Of tbinfins sioners-T. Hodges, Tattersali'ssyard, erne - tenor-place, victual ler, Jan, 6, at eleven, at the C,eiirt of Commissioners-J. M. Thomas, Highastrett, Shadwell, grocer, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of CoMmissioners-J. Medhurst, Fleet-street, tailor, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-E. Bull, Regent street, picture-dealer, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commis sioners-D. Brown, Halifax, Yorkshire, merchant, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court-house, Wakefield-J. Hodgson, jun, Brad. ford-moor, Yorkshire, wool-stapler, Jan. 6, at eleven , at the. Court-houee, Wakefield-G. Watson, 13chtle} Grange, York shite, tanner, Jan. 7, at eleven, at the Sessions-house, Wakefield -J. Pollard, New . castlet.upoh-Tyne, merchant, Jan. 10, at eleven, at the George Iran, Newcastle-upon-Tyne-A. Fletcher and J. Young, Millbrook, Southampton, iron-founders, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-S., J., and A. Gosling, Mark-lane, wine -merchants, Jan. 7, at one, at the Court of Commissioners- H. W., J. W., and M. W. Wood, Wakefield, Yorkshire, wool staplers, Jan. 9, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-aT. Weston, Hirwain-wharf, Essexastreet, Roman eement-mannfan:- turer, Jan. 7, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Rey. Holds, Packer's-court, Colethah-street, grocer, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-C. Beville, Clapham-common, up holsterer Jan. at one, at the Court of Commissioners-J. C.Hyde, Iver.heath, Buckinghamshire, mealman, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners-IL Hudson, Birmingham, currier, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-T. Crickmore, Skinner-street, Bishopsgate-without, pewterer, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-S. Cock, Basinghall-street, mer chant, Jan. 6, at two, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Atkin son, Cloak-lane, West Smithfield, brass-folitider, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-J. H. Leach, Canterbury, draper, Jan. 5, at ten at the Court of Commissioners -J. C. Francis, Heytesbury, NViltshire, clothier, Jan. 4, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners-G. C. P. Living, St. Helen's-place, merchant, Dec. 27, at nine, at the Court of Commissioners-IL and W. Wythes, Dale-end, Birmingham, grocers and tea-dealers, Jan. 3, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-E. Petherbridge, Newton. Abbott, Devonshire, andW. Petharbridge. Whitechapel, linen-drapers, Jan. 3, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners -J. Mortlock, Bury St, Edmund's, - Suffolk, innkeeper, Dec. 26, at eleven, at the Bowling-green Inn, Norwich-R. Gibbeson, Lincoln, wineonerchant, Jan. 3, at three, at the Kingston Ho tel, Kingston-upon-Hull-J. Briggs, Horsham, Sussex, victualler Jan. 3, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-A. Sodo and W. Collingwood, Cleveland-street, Mile-end-road, dyers, Jan. 3, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-C. Worts, 'Wap ping High-street, sail-maker, Jan. 3, at ten, at the Court of Com. missioners-S. Fassick, Mumford-courcwarehouseman, Jan. 3, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-W. Hambly, Falmouth, merchant, Jan. 3, at nine, at the Court of Commissioners-T. J Smith, Lawrence Pountney-place, merchant, Jan. 5, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners-T. and It. F. Martin, Leeds, wool.brokers, Jan. 3, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-M. Abitbol, Bury-street, St. James's, merchant, Jan. 3, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-J. G. Hodgson, Covent-garden, wine merchant, Jan. 3, at one, at the Court of Commissione rs-J. N. Waylett, Lombard-street, boot and shoemaker, Jan. 3, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Goode, Wilderness-row, Gm well-street, engineer, Jan. 3, at ten, at the Court of Commis sioners-M. Garland, M. Magnus, and B. Benjamin, Bunhill row,•merchants, Jan. 3, at one, at the Court of Commissioners -J. Hodgson, jun., Bradford Moor, Yorkshire, woolstapler, .Tan. 4, at twelve, at Messrs. Alexander's office, Halifax -B. Smith, junior, Birmingham, factor, Jan. 10, at one, at Dee's Royal Hotel Birmingham-J. Dempsey, Manchester, flour-factor, Jan. 7, at ten, at the Spread Eagle Inn, Manchester -J. Benson, sen., Manchester, commission-agent, Jan. 5, at three, at the Star Inn, Manchester-P. Crokat and T. Steven son, Liverpool, merchants, Jan. 4, at one, at Messrs. Crump's office, Liverpool-D. Brown, Halifax, merchant, Jan. 4, at one, at Messrs. Alexander's office Halifax.--. W. Stevens,Clare-street, J Clare-market, linen-driper, an. 10, at one, at the Court of Com. missioners-J. Newman, Upper East Smithfield, slopseller, Jan. 7, at eleven at the . Court of Commissioners-J. Burn, Lothbury, merchant,Jan. 7, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Hawkes, Pall-mall, silk-mercer, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Richardson, Regency-place, Great Surrey. street, currier, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners- R. Grimwood, Rochester, Jan. 7, at twelve, at the Court of Com missioners-W. Row, jun., Knott's-green, Essex, skin-broker, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-E. Read ing, Berkshire, canvas-manufacturer, Jan. 6, at two, at the Court of Commissioners-W. Elgar, Maidstone, grocer, Jan. 10, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-R. Abraham, New Boni-street, picture-dealer, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners --J. Thomas, Canterbury, glover, Jan. 7, at one, at the Court of H Commissioners-J. Sainthill, Pickle erring, 'Tooley.street, millstone merchant, Jan. 7, at twelve, at the Court ot Commis sioners-G. Deudney, Deptford, seed crusher, Jan. 7, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Longbottom, jun., Bury. street, Bloomsbury, job-master, Jan. 8, at three, at the Court of Commissioners-R. Morris, Lawrence-lane, linen-draper, Jan. 6, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners-J. C. and W. Starkey, Little. Pulteney-street, Golden-square, brewers, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-C. Gale, Tower-hill, merchant, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Stevens, Abchurch-lane, merchant, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Com missioners-F. Walmsley, Parliament.street, Westminster, lodging-house-keeper, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Com missioners-R. Morris, Regent-street, Piccadilly, auctioneer, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-M. Pate, Ben. nett, St. James's, tailor, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Corn. missioners-W.F.Bray, Liverpool-street, New-road, builder, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners-J.Ledley, Clarendon. square, chymist, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court ofCommissioners -H. Clackett, Dover, Kent, grocer, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners-M. A. de Freitas and A. da Costa, Tokenhouse-yard, merchants, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Hayllar, Brighton, horse-dealer, Jan. 6, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners-T. H. Hancock, Castle Inn, Brighton, inn-keeper, Jan. 9, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-W. Cansdell, Bishopsgate-street-Within, dealer, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Allnutt, Ches. barn, paper-maker, Jan. 6, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners -J. Walmsley, Starch-green, Acton, builder, Jan. 9, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-C. Schroder, Berners-street, Com mercial-road, sugar-refiner, Jan. 10, at one, at the Court of Com missioners-H. Hughes, Basinghall-street, Blackwell-hall-factor, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-N. A. Solliers, Fenchurch-street, wine -merchant, Jan. 9, at two, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Ludlam, Wood-street, hosier, Jan. 7, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners-W. Remington, It. Ste phenson, D. R. Remington, and J. P. Toulmin, Lombard-street, bankers, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Gaskill, J. Gaskill, and J. Clemenson, Minories, merchants, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners-J. S. de Pinna, St. Ann's-lane, Cheapside, ostrich feather-manufacturer, Jan. 6, at nine, at the Court of Commissioners-E. L. Ogle, Clement's lane, brick-maker, Jan. 6, at one,' at the Court of Commis sioners-E. Vertegans, H. J. Barker, and J. Harley, King-street, Cheapside, warehousemen, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Corn missioners-R. Buncombe, Trull, Somersetshire, farmer, Jan. 6, at two, at the Court of Commissioners-C. Crockat and T. IVilkie, Lawrence Pountney-place, merchants, Jan. 6, at three, at the Court of Commissioners-S. Moline, Billiter.lane, mer chant, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners- T. Goodall, Philpot-lane, merchant, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners-W. Towers, Nottingham, grocer, Jan. 10, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Dutton, Tottenham-court-road, linen-draper, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-T. Vine, Brighton, toyman, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners-3. Sawyer, Lincoln's Inn-fields, wine -merchant, Jan. 6, at three, at the Court of Corn , rnissioners-T. Fawcett, Basinghall-street, warehouseman, Jan. 9, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-T. Marshall, Fore street, commission-agent, Jan. 3, at ten, at the Court of Com missioners-S. G. Legh, Oundle, Northamptonshire, wine merchant, Jan. 9, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-J. Hobson ; Leadenhall-street, wine -merchant, Jan. 7, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners- a Hall, Nelson-terrace, Kingsland, broker, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-W. Whiteside, Little Pulteney.street, Golden-square, brewer, Jan. 6, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-L. Agassiz, Fenshurch street, merchant, Jan. 10, at eleven, at the Court of Commis sioners-W. Taylor, Lombard-street, stationer, Jan. 10, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-H. Herbert, Old Caven dish-street, Cavendish-square, builder, Jan. 6, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-H. Heylyn and J. Connop, Coleman. street, dyers, Jan. 9, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners-- J. Power and R. Warwick, Finsbury-square, merchants, Jan. 9, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners-la Mullett, St. Mary Axe, merchant, Jan. 6, at half-past eleven, at the Court of Com missioners-J. and W. Lowe B r id g ford Mills, Staffordshire, and Manchester, Lancashire, millers, Jan. 7, (instead of the 9th, as before advertised), at twelve, at. the Union Hotel, Newport- Jane Bushell, Ramsgate, lodging-house-keeper, Jan. 7, at eleven, at the Royal Hotel, Margate-E. Taylor, Dodworth, Yorkshire, linen-manufacturer, Jan. 9, at eleven, at the Public Office, Barnsley-A. Paton, T. Gill, and J. Brown, Old Gravel.lane, Ratcliffe-Highway, soap-manufacturers, Jan. 8, at two, at the Court of Commissioners-S. Cross, jun., Lambeth, Surrey, Um ber-merchant, Jan. 10, at twelve, at the Court of Commis sioners-J. Seaman, Tooting, Surrey, brewer, Jan 10, at one, at the Court of Commissioners-R. Ord, Deptford, Kent, butcher, Jan. 6, at three, at the Court of Commissioners-A. Stinchcomb; Oldbury-on-the-Hill, Gloucestershire, maltster, Jan. 10, at eleven, at the White Hart Inn, Bath. • CERTIFICATES, JAN. 6. M. Pennington, Burton. Leonard, Yorkshire, common-carrier —J. Gape, Seymour.mews and Hinde.mews, Marylebone, hackneyman—W. 'Snell, E ast Stonehouse, Devonshire, coal merchant—A. Clark, Broad - street, !latent', miller — W. Fox, Great Driffield, Yorkshire, tanner—W..Lewis, Reading, Berks, brewer—J. B. Peak, Keel, Staffbrdshire, miller—L Wiswould, Birmingham, Warwickshire, gun-maker—H. Mogford, Craven_ street, Strand, and Quadrant, Piccadilly, tailor—W. Duncan, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, cooper.--P. R. Lewis, Kent-terrace, Regent's Park, victualler. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. - J. and W. Nicholson, High Holborn, carpet-dealers—J. Daw barn and J. Scott, Liverpool, linen-drapers—J. Wells and R. S. Burkitt, Nottingham, woollen-drapers—J. Thuratun and M. Morris, Ashford, Kent, carpenters—W. Rigden, J. Peirce, and H. Delmar, Canterbury, Inewers—T. Watson, and B. Long, Manchester, trunk-makers, PRICE ID. (LEFT SITTING.) [The debate is not expected to be over till eleven o'clock when the House will very probably divide. The majority is cal culated at from SO to 100.] IMPERIAL PARLIA MENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, DEC. 16. ( Continued from our Second Edition of yesterday.) REFORM BILL. Lord PORCHESTER said he would occupy the atten tion of the House but for a very short time. In the pre sent circumstances of the country he could not feel himself at liberty to oppose the introduction of any measure of Reform, by which some compromise could be effected be tween the opponents and the friends of a change in the system of representation. But he regretted to find his Majes'y's Ministers hid done nothing to conciliate those who eonscientimosly opposed them, or to gi ve any man of his (Lord Porchester's) opinions an opportunity of giving them assistance; they could ha ve f oun d means to d o so without compromising the principles or feelings of any offered for the acceptance of Parliament. As irregularity and anomaly pervaded ev er y part of the natura l wor ld, s o where they visible in every part of the British Consti tution ; but the result in both cases was, a harmony of purpose, such as no arbitrarily formed Constitution could ever hope to attain to. In the times to which the sup porters of this Bill referred, as those whence they drew their model of the principles of this Bill, the civil liberty of the country was destroyed, and the security of the per son and of property was proscribed ; but under the ex isting form of Government, liberty exercised its widest alt I most beneficial influence, and blessings were enjoyed such as had never been realised in any other place to the same extent.—(Hear, hear.) The whole of our national institutions were now in harmony with property, and while they continued so be had little fear of our Consti tution being disorganised ; but if they were to be made, as they would be made by this Bill, practically opposed to each other, the organic basis of the Constitution would be destroyed, and contests would ensue between property and institutions, the result of which must be, either that pro perty would change the nature of our institutions, or our institutions would break down the influence of property. —(Hear, hear, hear.) To separate those institutions from the interests of property, was the aim of the men who now favoured political changes of all sorts ; and theirsuc cess in some parts of the world was the real secret of the difference which characterised the changes made in other countries in Europe, and those which were now attempted here.—(Hear.) With the permission of the House, he would draw their attention to the democratic institutions of America, and to the effects which they had produced. He saw those institutions daily become more popular, so that at last the federative, or the conservative party, which bad once been so powerful, was now almost annihilated, and the republican party was everywhere triumphant. In the same =hoer he believed, that if we followed the example of the Americans in making any one part of our Constitution exclusively and powerfully democratic, we should, in the end, find every part of it become an unmixed democracy. The Americans had done what they could to retain the weight and influence of property in their institutions. But we were going Ito change ours with en opposite purpose, for Iwe were about to destroy the law that gave weight and influence to property by destroying the law that regulate) thesuccession so it. If any one asked a Frenchman of the present day whet was the moat objectionable thing in the state of ancient France, he would answer, that it was the ute law of p e succession cc r e o s p , i e o r n t y— t in o otte propertyir words, ;yet t t he law that hatlaw r d beenegu - the same in ancient France as it was now in England, sad the reason of die objection must be obvious to every one. If they repealed the law of primogeniture her's, they would have the same consequences follow that had hap pened in France. Yet this was the evident tendency of the changes now desired to be introduced. He would now say a word or two with respect to the enfranchise ment of the large towns. In former debates, an opinion was expressed against the policy of Eiving one Member each to the large towns ; and with surprising acuteness and ingenuity the argument vrae taken advantage 'of, in order to secure, what was evidently wished, the object of making the Bill snore popular than betnre, by giving ad ditional representatives to those large towns. C‘aild it be expected that he and his friends should not feel E.rprised at observing that the principle against which they b tils• been contending, instead of being removed or rendered 1e.5 effectual, hail been made to operate more extensively,— (Hear, hear.) While, on the ode hand, this extension of the means of popular influence had taken place, on the other, there was no conservative influence exerted to check it; bat the popular influence, like the Franken stein of romance, was not only called into active exist ence, but gifted with gigantic strength.—(Hear; hear.) While these great towns received additional Members, the smaller towns, which were somewhat under the influence of the landed proprietors, were destroyed. Yet' they were only valuable as affording the landed interest some degree of protection. They were not absolutely power ful, for they did not possess that strength which belonged alone to assembled numbers, and they were always sure of beim.; overwhelmed in great contests, in every county its which such contests were prolonged. The interests of the smaller towns required the assistance and the protection of the Minister. Mr. Pitt's plan of Reform has often been referred to ; but Mr. Pitt's plan did not at all resemble the present ; for it did not attempt to sweep away the agricultural interest; but when it removed the nomina tion boroughs, it proposed to gi:'e the greater part of the Members then reduced to the county representation, and only to transfer a few of them to the large towns. He did not advocate that plan as exactly fitted to the present state of the country; he merely mentioned it to show the difference beeween the plan of Mr. Pitt and that which was now proposed for their adoption.—(Hear, hear.) They had been told that the men of property in the country were enlisted on the side of the Ministers. The property of this country was protected by its institution., and the men of property had, by the very force of those institutions, long been accustomed to look up to'thy Mi- nisters of the Crown as the best supporters of these in stitutions. They did not expect from such a quarter the bToty Ihai was to be utterly subversive of their interests ; they could not believe that from them proceeded the greatest danger ; and when the Ministers presented the cup, they did net imagine that there was death in the honeyed bowl.—(Hear, hear.) He knew there was a party which had always advocated every change that bore in its front the stamp of innovation. Their principle was destructiveness : while the landed interest, which had too fatally given way to them, was like the Indian buffalo, that, fascinated by the gaze of the butt constrictor, lost all its wonted vigour, and beheld the approaching danger without the power to repel, or the skill to shun it. (Hear, hear, hear.) Why, he asked, should his Majesty's Ministers carry these changes so far ? Why should they suppose that the people would not be satisfied with a mo derate change—a change that would remove the objec tion to the present system, without endangering our sow happy C mstitution ? Why should they sappore, that if they proprewd a moderate change of that kind, the people would not be satisfied, with such an act of grace ? On his side of the House they were sati.fied to leave the matter with the good sense of the country. On the other side they were told, that if the pre sent measure were refused, the refusal would be attended with infinite peril. If so, he asked from whom that peril would arise ? From those whom his Majesty's Mi nisters followed in their plans of Government—from those to whom it was not enough to give much, but to whom they were required to give all. The sacrifice they were now asked to make was a sacrifice not to the people but to a party.—(Hear, hear.) They were called on to surrender their arms to those who pretty plainly showed how they meant to employ them. They bad been told that the oldest families of the country were opposed to the part he advocated, and we.e favourable to Reform. He denied the fact. 'The names of Wentworth, Russell, and Cavendish were proud names—they were associated with proud historical recollections—they were distinguished in the national annals. He knew, too, that the Premier Duke of Er.gland, the fist in rank, and not the second in honour, had, from what he conceived to be his duty, espoused the cause of Reform ; but as high as these names were, they were not all. Were the Percys, the Warwicke, and the Rutlands unknown in British history ?—(ilear, hear.) Was the name of Montrose unheard of in ancient times ?—(Hear, hear.) Had Buceleugh not been known in the period of the border wars ?—( Hear, hear.) Was Hereford a stranger at Court, and had Cecil no voice in the country in the times of her glory ? He himself bad always been friendly to a measure of practical Reform founded on the basis of mutual concession : but the pre sent was not a measure of that sort. Ile was thoroughly convinced of this; and could not, therefore, consent to the adoption of the measure. He moved that it be read a second time this day six months. Sir E. B. SUGDEN seconded this motion. He could form no opinion on this measure except from its details. Now he understood that it was the opinion of practical men, and of the body of the people, that this measure was more democratic in principle than any former measure of the sort. That opinion showed him that be was right in continuing to offer this measure his opposition. If the measures were not more democratical, he did not know how Ministers could settle their account with the Mem bets of that House. Still less with the members of the Political Unions. To those Unions they had given an swers once, and having thus set the precedent, they could never refuse to follow it. In the various Bills that had been introduced, they had a proof that the Ministers had uo solid settled princip'e as the basis on which they pro ceeded ; or, if they hid, it was the only principle of wild and universal change, a desire to elevate the democracy, and to abase the landed interest; and, further than thia, to make the Political Unions the masters of the country. For sound and safe legislative principles he looked in vain. In the first place, has Majesty's Ministers had said that the Members of th et House must be reduced; and they said this though the people had not asked for that change. At that time they proposed that the Government should keep a Bank in hand of Members of Parliament, so that Scotland and Ireland had only to draw for them and be answered at once. Now they had changed this plan, and Ireland would not he contented. " I will," said Mr. O'Connell—and in mentioning him he mentioned Ireland I will have twenty more Members for Ireland, or Ire land and England will never agree." If the Ministers had never committed the error of bringing forward that part of the measure, that demand never wou have been thoueht of. The troubles of Ireland had lust begun. An attentive observer of past events mt's be satisfied of that. A similar change had taken plun with regard to the mode of ascertaining the populatinhe At first it was proposed that the population fur o purposes of this Bill should be taken by the cense 1821 ; and when it was objected that, within fourtee n lays of the time of that very discussion, the census of 1831 would be prepared, the Ministers refused to adopt that census as their standard, and said something about