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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, AUGUST 22. The Irish County Lieutenants' Bill was returned agreed to from the Commons, and some private Bills were brought up. CORONATION. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY presented a petition from a place in Antrim, praying for the continuation of the Kildare-street grants. Being on his legs, he wished to put a question to the Noble Earl opposite on the sub. ject of the Coronation ceremony, which was soon to take place, The Noble Earl had, on a late occasion, stated, that the homage of the Peers was to be received in the same manner as at the Coronation of George the Fourth —[Earl GREY—" That the ceremony was to be con ducted as at the Coronations of George the Third and Fourth."]—He presumed that it was intended, at least, that the homage of the Peerage was to be received as at the Coronation of George the Fourth. But he wished to inquire whether the suggestion that had been made as to the procession of the Peeresses had been attended to ? That procession would tend essentially to the advantage of various tradespeople, and ought, on that account, to be attended to. He hoped that the select vestry of Cabinet Ministers did not mean that the Peeresses were to be smuggled into 'Westminster Abbey at Poets' Corner, and huddled together in a place where they could neither see nor he seen.—(Hear, hear.) It was very important to them that this procession should take place. Earl GREY—He had before stated that the ceremony was to be conducted in the same manner as the Coronation of George the Third and Fourth ; and as to the parti-. enlace, he referred the Noble Marquis to the orders of the Earl Marshal. Lord STRANGFORD again called upon the Noble Earl to consider the subject of the procession of the Peeresses, which was a matter of great importance to a great MITI b.l- of tradespeople, with whom the parsimony of the Ministers was extensively unpopul .r. He was not himself so neatly connected with any lady as to make it a matter of much concern to him whether the ceremony should take place or not, but many of their Lordships were connected with ladies, whom it was their duty to gratify in every possible way—(A loud laugh)—and he would advise these ladies not to give their Lords any peace day or night until they engaged to procure them an opportu nity of exhibiting on this occasion trains behind them as ample and voluminous as any that were ever carried behind their mothers and grandmothers. This would be of great advantage to the manufacturers. Marquis CL ANRICAR DE—The ladies would be admitted to the same rank in the ceremony, as if they had walked in procession, and they might put their trains under them. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY still insisted that it was of great importance that this procession should take place.—(Order.) Lord CARBERRY adverted to an expression reported to have been used by a Noble Marquis opposite (West meath) in presenting a petition respecting a dispensary in that county—an expression apparently disparaging to the treasurer of that county As he understood that the ex pression was not meant by the Noble Marquis to apply to the treasurer of the county, he had no doubt the Noble Nat quis would be anxious to correct the mistake. The Marquis of WESTMEATH alluded to the trea surer of the dispensary, and not to the treasurer of the county, who was well known to be a man ofhigh character IRISH YEOMANRY. The Earl of WICKLOW rose pursuant to notice to put a question to the Noble Earl opposite, relative to the Irish yeomanry. Rumours had been circulated through the medium of the Press, from which no subject of a political character was generally long concealed—that communica tions had taken place between the Noble Earl and certain Irish Members of Parliament on the subject of grievances under which, as these Members alleged, Ireland laboured, and among other things, they complained of the evils which arose from the yeomanry system, of which they desired the abolition. He believed that these gentlemen were actuated by the best and most patriotic motives ; but be was at the same time of opinion that conferences and combination among Members of Parliament to browbeat a Alinister, with a view to compel him to adopt measures agreeable to themselves, were most unwise, most unjust, and most unconstitutional.—(Hear, hear.) The gentlemen to whom he alluded had not confined their exertions to Parliament, but had, in the first place, waited on the Noble Earl at his own house; and he must say, to the honour of the Noble Earl, that be had been highly grati fied with the manly, honest, candid, dignified, and states. manlike character of the observations made by the Noble Earl on that occasion. But the next day these gentlemen attended upon some of the Ministers, at a meeting at which he understoo4 the Noble Earl was present, and then --- - ,i l l-ICu quantum mutates ab illo 511143 w Ira+ Restore l" the Noble Earl degenerated from the great and enlightened Statesman to the tame, acquiescing, and timid placeman. The gentlemen appeared desirous to impose terms on the Noble Earl on the condition of their adherence to his Go vernment, and it was rumoured that concessions were ac cordingly grr.nted, such as that the yeomanry should be disarmed—or that their arms, instead of being left in their own custody, should be lodged in depots, and that instead of remaining in separate bodies, as at present, they should be formed into battalions to be under the command of the new Lord Lieutenant. This would in reality amount to an abolition ; fur the yeomanry would never consent to anything disparaging to their body. Was not this of the nature of force on the part of these gentlemen ? Was it not unconstitutional for Members of Parliament to apply to the party in power and call for concessions under a threat to leave them and join the Opposition ? If Ministers yielded to demands of this kind, they might have no alternative but to resign their situations or to deliver over those whif. bad 'so often preserved the peace of Ireland in critical situation's, to the mercy of those who had shown themselves to be their greatest enemies. It was well known that the yeomanry had 'rendered the greatest 'services to their country on critical occasions. H did not mean to say, that if the yeomanry never had ex- - isted, they ought to be organized exactly as they were at present, for he was aware of the.violente of parties in Ire land ; but it was a different thing essentially to alter tl.e organisation of the body after it had been so long esta blished and had been found so efficient. The yeomanry had on a former occasion served Ireland, and they might at no distant period have to serve it again.—(Hear, hear ) It was evident that the Government must have been alarmed for the peace of the country, otherwise they would not have called out this force. The last art of the President of the Council, when a member of a former Go vernment, was to abolish the yeomanry, or materially to alter it, organisation in some counties in England ; and it must be presumed that he bad altered his mind very much on that subject, when as a member of the present Government, he had consented to the calling out of the yeomanry. Then the Ministry had brought into the other House a most unconstitutional Bill (the Irish Arms' Bill), which was another proof that they felt alarmed for the peace of the country. But that Bill bad now lain dor. most for a month, and he concluded that the country wa• now considered to be in a peaceable state ; and if it was, they owed that to the yeomanry alone.—(Hear, hear.) He looked with the most serious apprehension to the effect which these reports were calculated to produce on the minds of the Irish yeomanry, and in Ireland generally. On the part of the yebmanry in the North of Ireland these rumoured projects would be met with contempt, and a de termination not to oppose but to counteract them, and to organise themselves iuto an irresponsible body. In other parts of Ireland, where Protestants where few, a still greater alarm would be created, In these counties some of the yeomanry were Catholics, but most of them were Protestants, and when deprived of their security, they might be driven by despair to abendon their country. gaudent perfusi sanguine fratruns, Exilioque domos et dulcia liraina mutant, - Atquc alio patriam qumerunt ;sub Sole jacentem." . . He certzinly would oppose any measure so destructive as that of Ole abolition of the yeomanry would be, and it was with a view to prevent the adoption of such a measure that he now put the question to the Noble Earl, whether it was true that the Noble Earl had declared that it was the intention of Government to propose a measure for dis arming the yeomanry and lodging their arms in depots, and forming them into battalionsto be under the command of the Lords Lieutenant of counties, and to make other changes in the organisation of that body? Earl GREY —Agreeing with the Noble Earl in the im propriety and inconvenience of entering opon long discus sions upon subjects brought under consideration on the footing of an interrogation, he Lad t o regret that the Nobly Earl bad deviated so far from what he himself adrnived to be the proper course, and had entered into a discrission re lative to the yeomanry corps, and the conduct intended to be pursued by the Government respecting them; about which the Noble Earl appeared to be very ill: informed.' lie, however, concurred with the Noble Earl in the ob• cations which he bad ,taa2l,le in other p t er i t a s t of . his speech rxr.i vs portant _1 tin t :t i. passions IP! agreed that it was highly ot . parties (nigh= be .w i te d by the pu 'cation of n vet' intended fur 4***(11:1"1 • hglill'anowtbi4toll'hWaervee b eene Rublished.— tb i at publication bad „ e phoee means .• , • i 24 )61"-lifaril,V, 1 .4 4 ?te be did ,not know.. c.ertai. a n ri ly , !`7 b l i-64 o,tl 7 tr--* ,ty for any such publication, a V - - l'Ogi'ati•e4.o-taukilid idle practice.—(blear, hear.) The f l ' A IsIoTAC TAW _.kifeiii9.*/ two communicatiobs w hich had j .""a\ c"''.,' - , ‘ '. ~' ( i2.-.'-'-'(, I,U,d C taken place between some Members of Parliament fur Ire land and some Ministers of the Crown, and observed, that he considered it an highly improper practice for Members of Parliament to associate in order to prevail on the Go vernment to accede to certain conditions under an intima tion, that if the conditions were not complied with, they might be induced to join the Opposition. There also he concurred with the Noble Earl. He certainly did not ap prove of that practice ; and he could assure the Noble Earl, that as long as he held the situation in which he was at present placed, such practices would have no effect on him.—(Hear, hear.) And the Noble Earl himself had admitted that he (Earl Grey) had answered in such a manner as to show, that if it were intended to impose a measure on him by the threat of any conse quences, he was prepared to stand to the consequences.— (Hear, hear, hear.) The consequences might be, that by this kind of opposition lie might be forced to quit the situation which he at present held, but that situation he would have no more difficulty in relinquishing than he had felt in taking it. He had stated that he was opposed to any measure tending to the abolition of the yeomanry corps, or to their separation in any way which should be derogatory to them, or inconsistent with a sense of that respect and regard which was due to their services. But lie had, in common courtesy to a party of gentlemen and Members of Parliament, stated his general views on the subject, and mentioned what measures it might be com petent to adopt respecting the yeomanry. These amounted merely to matter of form and regulation, and did not at all go to the abolition or the discharge of the corps.— (Hear, hear.) This was what he had stated at the first meeting. As to the other meeting, he was not present at that meeting, for the Noble Earl was misinformed on that point. But at that meeting nothing more was stated than that some new regulations might be applied to these corps, into the details of which he would not at present enter. hut,this be would say, that nothing was in con templation which could properly be considered as in the least degree an insult to the yeomanry, or as calculated to hurt that sense of honour which they justly entertained, or to detract from the merit and value of their services.— (Hear, hear, hear.) He never contemplated any mea sures that could properly be considered as at all de rogatory to them, and what had passed at these meet ings had not disinclined him to persevere in the views which he had before entertained. lie had no in tention to do anything that might hurt the feelings of the yeomanry ; but if the Noble Earl were to ask his opinion as to the advantages to be derived from the yeomanry in Ireland, he would answer, that whatever might be the merits of that body, and however patriotic the spirit by which they were animated, and of whatever value their services might occasionally be—and from their deserts in these respects he had no desire to detract—still that species of force was nut altogether advantageous. The disadvantage of this force was this, that with all their merits, their patriotic zeal and ardour, these good qua lities were too often mixed up with party spirit and per sonal hostility—(Hear, bear)—which was apt to carry them too far when employed in active service ; and an other effect of that feeling was, that it did not subside with the occasion that brought it forth, but had a tend ency to break out on other occasions. He did not concur in the opinion that the yeomanry corps ought to be abo lished ; but yet, for the reason which lie had stated, he did think that the security of the country might be better provided for by other means. With respect to his opi nion as to which was the most constitutional mode of pre serving the public peace, whether by a yeomanry force or by an increase of the standing army, he would say that, if the peace of Ireland were to be lamentably disturbed—and lamentable the effect must be, if it should be disturbed— he should prefer an increase of the military policy, or of the standing army, to the existence of these corps.— This was saying no more respecting the yeomanry than that they were liable to the infirmities of human nature. Having said this much—which was more than the occasion properly called him to say—he could only plead, in excuse, that he was led into it by the observations of the Noble Earl. He could only say, that he had no intention to do any thing in regard to this description of force which ought to he considered as injurious to them, dissatisfactory to their feelings, or derogatory to their honour. What he I.ad said was equally applicable to England as to Ireland, and he approved of the measure of his Noble Friend, the President of the Council, to which the Noble Earl had alluded. Both in England and in Ireland, it was desir able, as much as possible, to avoid the employment of a force in preserving the peace, in which party spirit was apt to be predominant. The Earl of WlCKLOW—Whatever might have been the irregularity of the observations which he had made in introducing the question which he had put to the Noble Earl on this subject, he rejoiced that lie had made them, since they had called forth a most satisfactory explanation from the Noble Lord, and one which would do infinite g00d..--(Hear, hear.) The Marquis of LAN SDOWNE would have said nothing on the present occasion, had it not been that the Noble Earl had alluded to him personally in the course of the declamation which he had mixed up with his question. The Noble Earl had alluded to a measure of his in regard to the yeomanry, which he hail proposed as a Minister of the Crown under another Government, and se.id that his concurrence in taking advantage of the services of the yeo manry indicates a change in his opinion, and that the promptitude and zeal of this body had overcome his reluc tance to employ them. But the Noble Earl would recol lect that his measure applied only to the yeomanry of Eng 'and, and not to that of Ireland. But the Noble Earl was entirely misinformed, if he thought that his measure for partially dispensing with the services of the yeo manry in England indicated any feeling of disapproba tion of that body. It did no such thing. The ground of his measure for this partial diminution of that force was, that the expense of keeping it up was more than was justified by the extent of its efficiency in particular places. The force had been preserved in those counties where it was most wanted, and where it was most efficient. He could not he justly considered as having been adverse to their employment, when they bad been called out even in the course of this and the last year in the county where he was Lord Lieutenant. It was not ten mouths since they had been called out, and they hail not been more distinguished for the courage and zeal with which they bad acted, than for the tempee anal forbearance which they had displayed —and in both respeete they had been a model for other, corps, and hail received the upress approbation of his Ma jesty. They considered it as no resection on theni to say ihat it was proper that they should be under regimental controul, whether called upon to serve against the enemy, or to preserve the peace among their countrymen. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thanked the Noble Earl for his declaration in respect to the Irish yeomanry— a declaration whieis was of the highest importance, and one which would do a great deal of good, and quiet the mimic of many gentlemen of property. The Noble Mar quis expreesed hie concurrence in the opinion, that appli cations to Goveraseeßnt by associated Members of Parlia ment were improper, eel' then called the attention of the House to the character of the individuals who made this ipplication. The Noble Marquis renal their names, and observed that they were all particularly connected with the Catholics. These gentlemen might represent the senti ments of the province of Cormeoeit, but they did not re. present the sentiments of Munster ne the rest of Ire land. The rest of Ireland distinctly differed ferstn them. But lie was afraid that the proceeding was but Lying the foundation for that interruption of the peace of reland—a peace not likely to be effectually: preserved' es was by some expected by the measure of Catholic' emancipation. He agreed that their place in Parlia-; meat wets the situation in which Members; ought to do their duty by their constituency, and that going in a holy to a Minister, and respiring him to adopt certain measures • tinder pain of their joining des Opposition, was uncon stitutiariel and improper ; and he hoped that the manner in which the 3sToble Earl had conducted Intne4f in this instance would be an etsemple which other Governments would be disposed to follow. That sort of combination was not ti/.62 mode to pro:note the tree ,loteree;s of Ireland, and it was the most unfortunate course that hod been adopted since the Unloo, It looked as if these gentlemen I had been instigated to make this; application in this mode by the unfeatonate person who had . bean of late so active in raising agitation in Ireland, and who would proh ibly again eau:apt to promote a cry fc.4" the repeal of the Union, after the Reform Bill ehould have patived, It would be recol lected how that unhappy person had deeeia - eel the Noble Marquis who was at the head of the Irish Govettonept ;, and if their Lordships world peewit him, he would read an I extract of a letter which would show what he intended to do after the ?reform Bill should have restii. The Noble Marquis here read au extract from the letter in question, in which the Hon. and Lessened Member for Kerry charged Government with perfect inattention to the inte rests of Ireland. Was that a man to obtain whose poli tical support the Ministers: of England ought to listen to such representations as ,those wli;lA had been made to' them? With res i cect to the conduct o. Noble Mar quis a t t h e b ead of the Goyernment of Ireland, with the exception of the influence which 4444 V,i)lAle Marquis had; exercised in oc in e t o h f e n 11) j u c tl i ii A l l e o le N ct D ion s , po h k e the occasion of a question which bud been t i o me o n rd p e u r ; Nobletollhleisreiy a Friend by a Noble Earl, and the answ er to width the Noble Earl bad allowed to be completely satisfactory, the Noble Marquis had gone into a variety of subjects, and Was flow attaching the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland for all alleged interference in an e!eetion. Whenever that question should come regularly before their Lordships, he was confident that he should be able to prove that the Noble Marquis had acted in a manner perfectly consistent with his high station and character. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY observed, that the Noble Duke, who was so fond of calling to order, should be bettor acquainted with the orders of the House himself. He (the Marquis of Londonderry) bad as much right to state his opinions as the Noble Earl, who had been allowed to do so at considerable length. Lord HOLLAND said that the Noble Marquis did not appear to recollect that there was no question before their Lordships. It was true that the courtesy of the House ad mitted a question to be put by a Noble Lord to any Mem ber of his Majesty's Government. The object of that per. mission was to save time, since it was frequently found to be a summary way of obtaining information on which an ulterior Parliamentary proceeding might or might not be founded. But there was a great difference between allow ing a simple question and answer, and permitting other Noble Lords to enter into a discussion, involving a variety of extraneous matter. It might be convenient not to be too strict in such matters ; but he must say that he thought the Noble Marquis was abusing the privilege when be made a speech which had little connexion with the subject of the question put by a Noble Earl to his Noble Friend, but in which he went into an excursive consideration of all the various topics connected with Ireland. He (Lord Holland) by no means wished for an abolition of the prac tice to which he had been alluding ; but he thought it ought to be kept within certain bounds. In his opinion it would be a wholesome regulation if the privilege were con fined to the Noble Lord putting the question, and the Noble Lord giving the answer. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, after the gentle manner in which the Noble Lord had explained the case, would not persevere; but he hoped that in future long speeches would not be permitted to be made on one side, without being permitted to b 2 answered on the other. Earl GREY observed, that no inference ought to be drawn against the meeting to which be had alluded, from the character and sentiments of the persons who were at the head of it. The gentlemen came to him in the most amicable manner. The conversation here dropped. BEER HOUSES. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented a pe tition horn Sittingbourne, against the opening of be,r houses on the Lord's-day. CHURCH LIVINGS. On the motion of the Archbishop of CANTERBURY the 13111 for the Augmentation of Church Livings went through a Committee, the report of which was ordered to be received to- morrow. PLURALITIES. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY gave notice tint' on Thursday he would move for leave to bring in a Bil for the restraining of pluralities. POOR LAWS AMENDMENT BILL. The Duke of RICHMOND, in moving the second reading of the Bill for amending some of the laws respect ing the poor, stated shortly the object of the measure. By the 12th clause of the 59th Geo. 111., c. 12, over seers had power to take land on lease for the employment of the poor, to the extent of twenty acres; he proposed to remove that limit. By the 27th clause of the 22d of Geo. 111., c. 35, overseers had the power of enclosing waste land for the employment of the poor, to the extent of ten acres : lie proposed to increase that amount to fifty acres. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. The other Orders of the Day having been disposed of, the House adjourned. HO USE OF COMMONS, Auausr 22. Sir J. JOHNSON presented a petition from the church wardens of Wakefield, Yorkshire, against the Bill for altering the Law of Settlement. Colonel EVANS presented a petition from Thomas and Caroline Deacle, the persons who lately prosecuted Mr. Bingham Baring and other Magistrates of Hampshire, for assault and false imprisonment. In doing so, lie reminded the House that he had, en a former occasion, made a mo tion for the production of certain documents which bore upon the case of the petitioners, and had then stated he was not actuated by any personal feelings, that he had no knowledge of, and had abstained from all communication with the petitioners lest he might be led into making an ex-parte statement, and that he founded his motion alto gether upon two documents which had appeared in the public journals—one purporting to be a report of the trial in which a verdict was given against Mr. Bingham Baring, and the other a letter from that gentleman addressed to a newspaper. Judging from these documents, he had con cluded that the character alike of the gentleman accused, as of the Magistracy in general, was concerned in this matter ; and therefore was it he had moved for the papers, intending, if he had obtained them, to ground thereon a motion for the dismissal of Mr. Baring and the other Magistrates concerned from the Commission of the Peace. He had been met, in a manner for which he was altogether unprepared ; the papers were refused ; and although he had cautiously refrained from anything which might wear the appearance of an ex-parte statement, Hon. Gentlemen, in speaking in reply, had pursued a course directly contrary, and even used parts of those doca ments, the whole of which were refused, and used such parts as tended to criminate Mr. and Mrs. Deacle. He (Colonel Evans) had accordingly been, although unintentionally, the cause of doing an injury , to the petitioners ; and therefore was it he came forward, on the present occasion, to lay before the !louse a petition, in which they solemnly denied the truth of the allegations which had been made against them. In answer to the statement made in that House to the effect, that the five Magistrates had been included by Mr. Deacle in the in. dictment with the view of preventing Mr. Baring from availing himself of the evidence of persons present, he begged to remark that there were eleven persons present, five of whom only were included in the indictment. In addition to the Magistrates there were Mr. Jarvis, the servants, and the three constables ; and this, he contended, removed all grounds for suspicion that Deacle bad, as was observed, thrown all the parties into one net. He also argued that evidence to character should not be considered sufficiently strong to overturn facts proved at the trial. The Hon. Member also declared, that he bad been quite astounded by the speech of the Hon. and Learned Ser. jeaut, the Member for Newark, who seemed to take the guilt of the Deacles for granted, arid who had actually ap- peared to associate Deacles with a man named Boyse, who was afterwards transported, and to consider that be had appeared in company with this person at the head of a mob at the house of Mrs. Long, to compel her to reduce her rent, and to contribute a sum of money, which it was stated she did to the amount of fifteen pounds. lie (Mr. Evans) had since, however, had a conversation with the [lon and Learned Member, and he had declared to him that he had no notion of implicating Mr. Deacle with those proceedings. It appeared, therefore, that he and other lion. Member:, had been mistaken in the object and meaning of the Hon. and Learned Member's speech. The Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to state the various circum stances which had taken place on the two trials, giving the newspaper reports as his authority throughout ; he next stated, that the petitioners complained that the letters sent to the petitioners, when in gaol, had been destroyed, in one of which letters there was an off r of legal as assistance. The petition likewise asserted that a man named Collins had avowed, that if he had not promised to give evidence against Deacle ha would have been prose cuted himself; and that another, named Barnes, was taken out of the dock, and told that he would not be pro secuted if he gave evidence against Deacle. The peti tioners also deciased that the allegations published in the newspapers, and professing to be a repot of the speeches made by an lion. and Learned ..,erjeant and other lion. Members in that House, were false in matter as well as in expression, and that the petitioners were ready to prove the truth of th,:a denial by evidence at the bar of the House. Mr. SPEAKER here called the Hon. ;;ember to order, and remarked to him, that this petition did in fact com ment on proceedings i, that krolse, and' denied as false arid malicious allegations, wit,ici, rapara the faith of the public channels of information, the petiaionese took. for : granted 1-..a4 been made in that House, and whicl; they considered defamatory of their character. Under these circumstances, he did not conceive the House could re ceive the petition; and he considered that the Hon. Mem ber was paraniez a . line of argument which could onlyend in one of two things,- a ;.c tit!! House's rejecting the petition, or else establishing a new precedent by receiving it. Mr. O'CONNELL had read the petition, ri4 tho7ght Mr. Speaker would And that it did not actually coral cat upon the proceedings of that lime! Besides, there were facts stated in it well worthy of attention. The PEA KER then suggested that the petition should be brought . up and rasa za length. The House would be then able to judge if he were correct; ; fr aa the opinion be had formed respecting it. Mr. HUME had rand the petition, and thought it was free from the technical objection. Mr. P. BARING wished to have the petition laid upon the table. Colonel EVANS said that the petitioners expressly de- Oared in their petition they did not presume that the lion. Memlo-rs alluded to 113,1 actually used suet' language as was attributed to them in the public prints. He then took occasion to laud the impartial conduct of the Press in this case ; where, if there were any bias, it would, he said, have most probably been in favour of Mr. Baring ; and he observed, that much as he honoured the wisdom of both Houses of Parliament, he considered that the influence of the Press was of the highest value. The petition was then brought up, and ordered to be read by the Clerk. It was as follows . " TO THE HON. THE COMMONS OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND, IN PARLIAMENT ASSEMBLED ; " THE HUMBLE PETITION OF THOMAS AND CAROLINE DEACLE, OF MARWELL FARM, IN THE PARISH OF OWSELBURY, IN THE COUNTY OF HANTS,_----- _ SuEwsmf,—That your petitioners have read with inexpres sible indignation, in the public newspapers, numerous allegations made against th em, which are wholly false, scandalous, and ma licious, calculated to blast their characters, to injure their pur suits in life, and utterly to destroy their peace of mind. " That, amongst these false and scandalous allegations, Mr. Francis Baring is represented as having described your peti tioner, Thomas Deacle, as one who, during the late disturbances in this county, incited men to machine-breaking, encouraged them to demand a reduction of tithes, and accompanied them illegally to demand money ; and was with them when they re ceived money thus extorted ; that your petitioner, Caroline Deacle, was a person who employed the influence of her sex, and the power of her station, to ruin the poor and ignorant who lived in her neighbourhood, and that she was present with a mob,when they demanded, extorted, and received money. " That, amongst these false arid scandalous allegations, Mr. Thomas Wilde, Serjeant-at-law, is represented as having said, In one case the mob went to the house of a Mrs. Long, headed by Deacle and Boyce, and having compelled her to sign a paper for the reduction of rent, they afterward demanded money. Fifteen pounds were at first demanded, but they afterwards con sented to take five pounds; and after having spent the day in making collections of this kind, they adjourned to the Downs, when Mr.Deacle and Mrs. Deacle, who were with them, superin tended the distribution of the money.' " That your petitioners 'most solemnly declare to your Ho nourable House, that every thing expressed in the words above recited, is utterly destitute of truth ; that it is false in matter as well as in expression ; that there is not a shadow of ground for either of the above allegations; and that your petitioners, if your Hon. House should think proper to permit them to do so, will clearly prove, at the Bar of your Hon. House, the perfect truth of the denial which they here give to those allegations. "That your Hon. House ought to be informed, that an indict. ment was, just at the close of the session of the Special Commis. sion preferred against your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, but not against your other petitioner, Caroline Deacle; that a true Bill was found, but that the Commission was suffered to expire with out bringing your petitioner to trial ; that the indictment was brought on for trial at the last Lent Assizes at Winchester : that the prosecutors produced the whole of their "evidence; that one of 'heir witnesses, of the name of Collins, on his cross_ examination, acknowledged that he would not say that he had not said he knew nothing against Mr. Deacle ; and, upon being asked whether he did not believe that he would have been prose cuted himself if he had not promised to give evidence against Mr. Deacle, he said he believed he should- have been prosecuted if he had not made such a promise; that another of the wit nesses for the prosecution, of the name of Barnes, a carpenter, upon his cross-examination, stated, that during the trials under the Special Commission, he being in the dock, and about to be put on his trial, the gaoler Beckett called him out, and took him into a room where there were Walter Long, a Magistrate, and another person, whom he believed to be Bingham Baring, who told him that he should not be put upon his trial if he would come and swear against Deacle; that another person of the name of Prickett was called as a witness by the prosecutors, and that when the Counsel for the defence rose to cross-examine this witness, the Counsel for the prosecution interfered, and said that they meant there to stop the prosecution for want of sufficient evidence ; that the Counsel for the defence persisted in a wish to go on, in order that the witnesses of his client might be pro duced, but that the Judge interposed his authority, observing that the defendant was honourably acquitted, and could want no thing more; that up. , n this part of the subject your petitioners beg leave to point out to the attention of your Honourable House, that Charles Seagrim, the attorney of Francis and Bing ham 13aring,was the attorney employed in the carrying on of this prosecution, and that the said Seagrim was a co-defendant in the action which your petitioners lately brought against the said Ba rings and others. lrThat the allegations complained of are, by the newspapers, represented as parts of speeches delivered in your Honourable House ; but your petitioners having been informed that your Honourable House will not receive any petition which comments on speeches made in your Honourable House, do not presume to say that the Hon. Members named i❑ this petition did actually utter the words which have, by the newspapers, been attributed to them ; but they complain of the grievous hardships and inju. riot's consequences which have already resulted, and which can not fail continually to result, from such calumnies being propa gated, as coming from Members of your Honourable House, in their legislative capacities ; and the snore so, since it is impossible for them to escape these terrible consequences, without the inter ference of your Honourable House, in such way as to your Ho nourable House shall seem meet. " That with regard to the words imputed to Mr. Serjeant Wilde, they feel themselves doubly aggrieved, as the said Ser_ jeant was retained by your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, in the action lately ti ied at Winchester, but he did not arrive at Win chester till after the trial ; yet he is notwithstanding represented as making a speech tending to the destruction of your petitioner, while he had your petitioner's money in his pocket as his advocate. " That your petitioners deeply lament the necessity which they feel themselves under, of thus trespassing on the time of your Honourable House ; but that they hope your Honourable House will have the goodness to consider the extent of the injury done them, as aforementioned; as an instance of which your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, informs your Honourable House, that he was in treaty for a farm belonging to his Grace the Duke of Beaufort, which farm he was very desirous to rent, while the steward ex pressed an equal desire to have him for a tenant; but that, in con sequence of the allegations made against your petitioner, as afore said, the steward has announced to your petitioner that the Duke ofoeaufort refuses to receive him as a tenant. . . . That your Honourable House must be convinced, that no in,. dividual fortune in the middle rank of life can possibly withstand the assaults made against reputation, as aforementioned ; that your Honourable House will at once perceive that no character can stand against attacks spread in this manner all over the king dom, and coming forth, as in this case, under the pretended sanc tion of your Honourable House. " That therefore your petitioners beseech your Honourable House compassionately to lend an ear to a recital of the treatment Which they have experienced, a recital which they will make as brief as possible, omitting unimportant circumstances, but pledg ing themselves to prove, on the oaths of witnesses of unques tionable veracity, the truth of every part of the statement which they now submit, in the hope of obtaining justice at the hands of your Honourable House. " Consoled by this hope, they now state—That on the 25th of November, 1830, at about two o'clock in the day, William Lew ington and John Switzer, constables of' Winchester, came to the house of your petitioners, being the bearers of a warrant signed by the Rev. Robert Wright and one or two other magistrates of Hampshire, and served it on your petitioners, who immediately, without any hesitation, were preparing to dress themselves in a becoming manner, in order to go with the constables, in obe dience to the warrant,; that, in about five minutes after the con stables entered the house, they were followed with great apparent violence, and with great rudeness, by Francis Baring and Bing.. ham Baring (being two magistrates, of the county), by It. Wright (clerk), by 'Mr:•Deane (banker), of Winchester, and by one Sea. grim, an attorney at Winchester, who is the partner of another attorney hamed Woodham, who are the attornies of Messrs. Francis and Bingham Baring ; tha', upon the parties rushing into the house, Bingham Baring seeing a friend of your petitioners, of the name of Jervis, in'an outer room, who was changing his coat, put a pistol to his head, having at the same time a dagger in his hand, that he then followed the rest of these violent in truders into the inner room, or parlour, where your peti t ione rs were; that then Bingham ring came up to your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, and striking him upon the shoulder, and then seizing him by the arm, exclaimed, You are my prisoner!' that at the same time, or the instant afterwards, Francis Baring also seized your petitioner by the collar, while Robert Wright seized hold of the hinder part of his coat ;• that thus seized, Bingham Baring having hold of an arm, Francis Baring of the collar of the coat, Robert Wright of the hinder part of the coat, Bingham Baring (in a Commanding and menacing voice) said to the constable, Mr. Lewington (Switzer being'sent into the yard to hold the horses), Do your duty and Francis Baring, on the constable seeming to hesitate, said, Do your duty, do your duty !' in' a very quick and • stern manner ! that the con- stable, in a compassionate tone, while putting his hand into his coat pocket, answered,' There is no occasion for that, Sir, Mr. Deacle will go quietly ;' whereupon, Bingham Baring, looking sternly at the constable, said, Hand bolt them!' that Lewington put the hand-bolt on one of your petitioners' (Thomas Deacle's) hands; that while he was doing this, Francis Baring quitted his hold of your petitioner's ('Thomas Deacle's) collar,went to another part of the room, seized hold of your petitioner's- (Caroline Dea cle's) hand and arm, in order to compel her to submit to be hand bolted; that in spite of the supplications of your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, who represented in the most feeling manner the delicate and precarious state of health of his wife, she was brought up by Francis Baring, who held her arm until her wrist was fastened in the same bolt with that of her husband; that Mr. Lewington had been ordered at the gaol to bring a pair of small hand-bolts with him, and that he had them in his pocket, but did not pull them out ; that at this time Bingham Baring went into the outer room for the purpose of disabling the fowling pieces which were placed in the corner of the room ; that your petitioners' were now marched off from the inner room towards the outer room, handcuffed together, Francis Baring still holding the right hand and arm of your petitioner, Caroline I)eacle, her left hand being in the bolt; that in pulling her for ward through the outer room into the Court, she wishing not to go without her bonnet and shawl, he pulled her with such force ac to pull her hand through the bolt, except that it Was held by the fingers, and a part of the ruffle, which was snapped in the bolt, and there fastened ; that Francis Baring, seeing your peti tioner, Caroline Deacle, thus loose, put his aria round one of her arms, anti held her two hands together under his arm with great `force and rudeness, still refusing to suffer her to have her bonnet and 311410 ; that in the meanwhile Deane, the banker, had auittad the house, and Neagrirn and Wright were now on the outside of the house, on horseback ' that the cart which had been guarded all the while by Captain Nevin, was stationed on the outsideof the yard, about 101), yards away from the house; that Bingham Baring was now employed in knocking the caps ()tithe fowling-pieces, and 'pouring beer into the locks; that your petitioner Thomas Deacle *was now taken into thecart by Lewington and Bingham Baring, which latter mounted his horse and rode by the side of your peti tioner; Thomas Deacle, and the constable ; that Francis Baring, refusing to wait for the bonnet and the shawl, proceeded to force your petitiener, Caroline Deacle, from the house and the Court, across the wet and dirty yard ; in order to arrive at place where the cart was • stationed;“ that the servants rah after with the ? n e t o Cat : b o nnet anela 064 and Clogs, which they put 'on as•well as they could, he not intfering Out' petitioner use her bands for the purpose; that he then, not however till feet hatl bpip wot, carried her across the yard for a certain distance, by putting his arm round the middle of her body, her headforemost, and her heels hindmost, and her person in a horizontal position, and thus 'notwithstanding her earnest entreaties that he would allow her to threw the garden, where the way was not only clean, but where the distance was mach shorter to the cart ; that when arrived 'at the cart,' by the Wide of which Captain Nevill was , sitting on horseback; the' Captain alighted, and got into the cart • t h a t the' meansvhile Francis Baring applied; his "band and a sn is Ike person or your petitiondr, Caroline DeaCle;iiii m a n, no del 'tilde and brutal, , as not Si' • be -described by t h a e i r n , a N nd ev t i h u ul e l t i z i e si d a h li m et t ;tl y tic th lY e ttl a c r Lh L af 4 t n • o of o t i t g e ed art ti l tn h at t h w is h r i u lego a u n r d r i ie n t d i ec tio e n n e t r m 's a (C nn ar e o r l , i t n h o e li e oa xt o o l n e t ) p e rson Itt4s which indecenev from the state of her heal, h, she refrains from describing to your Honourable House, Se agr i t if t and the Rev. Robert Wright were sitting on their horses, and looking-on and laughing ; that the wheel and other parts of the cart covered her habiliments with dirt and tore part of them , that at thi s time, andeven in the court-yard, your petitioners ear- . iwst o i t gpl . crt.sd tfirst sour petitioner, Caroline Deacle, might be ierinitted Wad 11 6 1"htrse , iserious injury irons tfthe car t i ti is request and I will hold the g u h r er d h' ty t . h s at ir r o o n n was oositively refused by Francis a 0fi1i4.4 ;'that and, sea i r;n3 s aia, No, if you h . . your horse, you irgtda r id c .ml, § 4 did yesterday I' that One f. 4 the constables (Switzer) said, For God's sake, Sir, let the lady have her horse s fo raring d r e rei a t n m s : r it , e , if ik l lose I'll report that Me C ut wig driven by Lewington, and that the horse that )3' ie. WZIS a wretchet pony ; flaring urged Lewington to drive faster, which 111 , 711W:done• for little while, he said, n a second application, The lady complains of bent 'll d upon g , aa say that the jolting hurts her,' whereupon -Bingham Batik* again exclaimed , Drive on--make'.your way to Winchester!' that Leivington' still not driving - So fast as Bingham Baring iam reins, wished, the latter came tip and with a large black stick which he carried, gave repeated blows across the back of the pony ; that the pony now went considerably faster, Causing the Cart to jolt so much, that your petitioner, Caroline Deacle, felt great pain, and rose up, by bearing upon the side of the cart, and turning round a little, said to Bingham Baring, ' Really, Sir, I cannot bear this—it will be the death of me—l shall be shaken to death ;' that your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, putting out his hand, said, Sit still, my dear--bear it as well as you can,' and that hereupon Bingham Baring struck across your petitioner, Ca roline Deacle, a severe blow with the before-mentioned black stick, which fell upon the arm of your petitioner, Thomas Deacle ; that the cart was accompanied by Francis Baring, Bingham Baring, Captain Nevill, the Rev. Robert Wright, Mr. Deane, the banker, and Seagrim, the attorney, as a troop of guards assisting the constables ; that when the car t h a d reached about half a mile from the house, Mr. Deane went oft' to Winchester, leaving the rest to attend the cart; that when the cart arrived at the top of Winchester Hill, about two miles from the city, it was met by a post-chaise, into which your pe titioners were put, in company with the gaoler, who was in it, and were thus conveyed to the common gaol at Winchester that when arrived at the gaol, the six persons before-mentioned had disappeared; that the gaoler hurried your petitioner, 'fhcs. Deacle, into a room where certain Magistrates were assembled, amongst whom were Sir Thomas Baring, as he believes, and the Rev. Robert Wright the elder ; that in the meanwhile your pe titioner, Caroline Deacle, was put into another room, being the gaoler's kitchen, but afterwards was brought into the same room, that the - Magistrates deferred any examination for that night, on the alleged account of want of witnesses, and refused to let your petitioners out on bail ; that after [his, the gaoler Beckett took your petitioners into the passage, and informed them, that he must take your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, and put him into a yard, and that he would give your petitioner, Caroline Deacle, a bed along with the women; that upon hearing thi,, your petitioner, Caroline Deacle, understanding that her husband was going to be locked up amongst felons, fell into a violent hysteric fit, and was falling backward upon the stone floor, which was luckily prevented by your petitioner, Thos. Deacle, catching her in his arms; that the fit was very strong, and rendered it necessary to open her clothes, cut the lace of her stays, and thus expose her in the pre sence of numerous persons of various descriptions, the inmates or the visitants of a common gaol ; that atter this your petitioners were permitted, at the expense of ten shillings a day, to live in the apartments of one of the turnkeys, situated on the felons' side of the gaol, and surrounded by felons on every side ; that in this situation your petitioners remained - from the evening of the 24th of November until the evening of the 27th of November ; that on the 25th of November your petitioners were brought before the Magistrates sitting in the gaol, and were told that the evidence against them had not arrived ; that on the morning of the 26th of November they were brought before the Magistrates again, always guarded by the gaoler or under-gaoler, as if they had been felons, and were now told that the evidence was in their favour, but that as all the evidence had not arrived they must detain them longer ; that in the afternoon of the same day, the under-gaol er again brought them into the presence of the 'Magistrates, always sitting in the gaol ; that the Magistrates there told yourpetitioner, Thomas Deacle, that they had nothing against him, and that he might go, but they must- detain your petitioner, Caroline Deacle, until the next day, when they expected some evidence against her ; that upon this your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, begged to be permitted to remain with his wife, to which the 6agistrates answered, No :'—that thereupon your petitioner, Caroline Deacle, fainted away, and was held in the chair, the Magistrates, with Sir Thomas Baring at their head, exclaiming, Take her away, take her away—she must not remain to inter rupt our business;' that in consequence of this she was carried out of the room in the chair, and your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, was afterwards permitted by the jailor to remain with his wife; that on the 27th your petitioner, Caroline Deacle, was brought before the Magistrates by the under-jailor, and had read to her a deposition of Robert Wright the younger, one of the defendants in the late action, but that she was not confronted with any accuser, nor were either of your petitioners ever confronted with any' accuser from the first to the last; that finally your petitioners were released upon bail given for your petitioner, Caroline Deacle, and your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, without bail in the first instance, and afterwards with bail, when new pretended evidence had been discovered; that in the meanwhile your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, had declared his intention of bringing an action against the Magistrates for assault and false imprisonment ; that after this the indictment before mentioned was framed against him, and the Bill found as before stated, just at the close of the proceedings of the Special Commi ss i on which produced the t r i a l a t th e Lent Assizes, ending in the honourable acquittal of your petitioner; and that, during the im prisonment of your petiti oners , the letters sent to them were de stroyed by the jailor, in one of which was an offer of legalassistance. Your petitioners earnestly pray that your Honourable House will be pleased, in order to atford them a chance of relief from the most direful oppression, to permit, if compatible with the rules of your Honourable House, evidence in the premises to be brought to your bar ; in which case they solemnly pledge them selves to prove, by witnesses other than themselves, all and sin gular the allegations contained in this their humble petition ; and with all submission to the superior judgment, and in a firm reliance on the justice of your Honourable House, they further pray that you will be further pleased to adopt such other mea sures, relative to the premises, as in your wisdom you shall deem to be most meet. " And your petitioners will ever pray, (Signed) " THOMAS DEACLE, " Marwell, July 29. " CAROLINE DEACLE." - - --- • -• Col. EVANS moved that the petition do lie on the table, Mr. F. BARING had taken the opportunity of stating, on a former occasion, the circumstances of this case ; and though there were many things in this petition that might seem to call fcr a further statement, yet, considering the time he had already taken up on the subject, he felt a deli cacy in further encroaching on the public time on the present occasion. Still, however, he trusted the House would bear with him, for a few moments, while he noticed one or two of the particulars stated in this petition. Ile did not intend now to repeat the statement he had formerly made. When he made it, he did so partly in contradiction of the allegations that had been advanced respecting his cousin's and his own conduct, on the occasion referred to, and partly with a view of making the House acquainted with circumstances which had not previously appeared before the public. With regard to the present petition ; he was prepared to meet it with a full contradiction. He had al ready made his statement of the circumstances to the House, and there was no contradiction of his statement contained in any part of that petition, that would induce him to withdraw one assertion that he had then made. The statement now made by the petitioners was contrary to all those put forth in evidence at the trial, and sworn to as true there. There was hardly one point in which the two statements concurred with each other—there was but one in which he and the petitioners agreed together, and that was in the declaration that the evidence given at the trial was a false account of the circumstances that had taken place. It was said at first that Mrs. Deacle came forward in the room, and gave her hand to be handcuffed ; it was now said that he (Mr. Francis Baring) had dragged her forward to be handcuffed. At first it was said that his cousin had shown a gun, and had used it to inti midate; now it was stated that a pistol and dagger were employed, and the gun was sunk. He wished that the two statements could be published parallel by parallel. The plaintiff's statement, as it was now made, and as it was then made by his witnesses, did not at all agree to gether, and of course no credit whatever was to be given to either. There was one point to which he wished par ticularly to call the attention of the House. It was this : It was originally stated that his cousin had carried Mrs. Deacle to the cart ; that statement had then been denied ; and he (Mr. F. Baring) had said that lie was the person who had carried her to the cart. It now turned out, even on the petitioners' own statement, that it was not Mr. Bingham Bating, but he who had carried the lady to the cart. When he had ventured to state that in the House, all the persons who took a different view of the matter Mid, that that was a matter which could not be mistaken. Now at the time that the witnesses swore Mr. Bingham Baring carried Mrs. Deacle to the cart, Mr. and Mrs. Deacle were both in Court : they had the means of know ing wl ether the statement was true or not, yet they heard it made, allowed it to go to the Jury, and to be commented upon by the Judge, and never once pretended toexpress even a doubt of the correctness of the statement when the charge was afterwards brought forward. Mr. B. Baring denied the fact—his attorney wrote a letter in answer to the charge, and declared the statement not to be true ; and ' even Mr. Deacle did not admit it to be mistaken—on the contrary, he re-asserted the fact. It was now found that the charge, as against Mr. B. Baring, was wholly un founded, and the truth of the statement he had made in the House was now admitted, yet up to this time the poi son had been allowed to circulate in the country, though now the same charge was laid to him. The attorneys who had conducted the cause on behalf of his cousin, were the Clerks of the Peace of the county, who had in that cha racter prosecuted ad the patties at the suit of the Crcwn. They were not the attorneys either for his father or his uncle, and they had only been employed in that instance at the recommendation of the attorneys for the family, be cause they were thought to know all the facts of the case. He had felt himself bound to state all these circumstances, because he felt he could not be silent when these accusa tions were brought against his cousin, and brought against him, too, in a motion to strike his name off the list of gentlemen in the Commission of the Peace--a motion which could not but affect his character. He would now make no further observations, except to say, with refer ence to the Gallant Officer's eulogy on the public Press, that it would have been fairer if it had not been dragged in ae the Gallant Officer had dragged it in on the present occasion, Sir T. BARING, as his name had been introduced in a manner not very creditable to him, was desirous of trou .bling the House with a few words upon this subject. He was well aware that every person who acted in a public capacity in that House, or out of it, was liable to have his conduct traduced, and his character calumniated ; and for himself, he could only rejoice, that when this was done with regard to him, he had the opportunity which that House afforded of answering the calumny. The Hon. Member who had introchtced this petition had not had the prnmpn pourtesy to give him the slightest notice of it—a conduct which he should not have pursued towards the Hon. Member under similar oircumstancea. He was charged with having at first resolved upon committin g Mr. and Mts. Deacle to prison. That charge was not true. It was said that Mrs. Deacle had fainted in the chair, and that notwithstanding her state, he had ordered ter' away, saying the Magistrates could not be troubled with . er, or pipe e•.;:prssiona to ,hit lect. He utterly denied having said so. He bail not, to the best of Taro re collection, heard her utter a single word ; he had on l y come into the room accidentally at the moment when Mr. Deacle was baviug some evidence (he believed it was Deacle'i own) read over to him. At that momtnt he (Sir T. oaring) saw a female in a chair, but he did not hear her 'utter one 'word. He looked over the !evidence t ursorily, and the cruelty of which he was then guilty, was to aug ust to his brother Magistrates that Mr. Delude 4iould 1 e Ili' admitted to bail. H e t oo k no ot h er part w h ateve r in 4 proceedings. Whe n th ese s t atements were thus found . l be unsupported by the fa c t, h e t h oug h t t h at t he 0 ,„ i l would not feel mu c h i nc li ne d to g i ve great cre di t to In! statements in the same p e titi on . A t t h e t i me that t° 4 l, persons were brought to prison, he was occupied at A , tance of eight miles, in en d e . vour i ng to suppres s a ."; occasioned by other parties, and to take those parties 'D custody. On hi s re t urn h e aga i n rea d over t h e e eidee in Deacle's ca s e, an d t h en , upon a more attent i ve Per'' ,, than he had before given it, he found the evidence stroll than he had before supposed, and he surrendered his ° opinion to that of the other Magistrates. These the facts of the case as far as he was concerned. Mr. F. BARING wished to be permitted to say, L i there were other stat emen t s i n t h e pet i t i on wh i c h be not noticed, but he hoped he should not be taken to 14/1 „A admitted the truth of them because he had not contra them. ro i l ' Mr. Serjeant WILDE sa id, t h at f rom h i s hav i n g' ,i taken the order of the proceedings in the House, be " e i flat been present when this discussion began. He bsg g o t to express his r egre t a t th a t c i rcumstance. It seemed 4,4 he had been m a d e a su bj ect o f accusat i on i n the pe t't' and he found that he had been reduced to that situ' ti o , front his having di sc h arge d w h at h e cons i dered i t to be i I imperative duty as a Member of that House. The Pe!! tion, so far as it r e f erre d to hi m, was not express ed; those courteous t e r ms th at m i g h t b e expected ; bu'dl looked to th e su b s t ance , not to t h e f orm of it. He icleji, to recall the att e nti on o f t h e H ouse to what had oceo..it on the former occasion. He had not then expressed vi ti opinion of what had taken place ; for he had not bet ,i present at the trial ; he had not gone into those r,, ; with which he was not personally acquainted ; he .", merely stated wh a t h e k new f rom t h e depositions lu.: had been laid b e f ore hi m . H e was accused i n the t,'": tidos' of having mad e cer t a i n statements i n t h at HO , ' He did not k now h ow t h e pet i t i oners b ecam e quainter! with what lie had said t h ere ; f o r he l ' s looked into the Tirnes, and he did not find that he had h e 4 reported to th e e ff ec t now represented i n the petition. 0 report was substantially correct, indeed much more correct than could, under all circumstances, have be j e i i ° ' resonably anticipated. He denied that he had ever si with heartless injustice and oppression, as the peritirn , accused him of doing. What he said had been f 0 5 07 ,1 on the depositions that were brought to his notice in w r discharge of hi s d uty i n ass i st i ng t h e K i ng ' s Atto rne, General in the publi c p rosecut i ons. UnfortunatelYt be account of the absence of Mr. Chambre from town, had not been a bl e t o b r i ng t h ose d epos i t i ons with hill', He now cam e t o s p ea k upon a matter more imme diate' connected with his pr o f ess i ona l pract i ce an d hi s c h a rsetei as a Member of that House. A retail er had been left ' l , , his chamber s som e ti me b e f ore t h e tr i al. It was antic' pated that he could not be able to attend at the \Vial ! ter Assizes. The person who left the retainer via' T., so. He th oug h t h e was b oun d b efore every thing c° dig , charge his duty in that House. A letter was w ritten the effect he had stated by his clerk. That retainer gs' . him no information of the nature of Deacle's case. E l l Members must not confound a retainer with a brief. 0 , retainer only coot mined the names of the parties. (Mr. Serj ea nt Wild e ) h a d never seen Deacle or his set' , ' ney—he had had no communication whatever with tber°; and it was not t o b e suppose d that the leaving of a retallist! with a one guinea fee was to prevent a Member of (b d ij House from doing his duty there. If any persons ti , ' suppose that, he begged they would keep their retainers, themselves. He considered that his duty in that fl' u i, was paramount to all others. He had no knowledge W ever of the case. Mr. HUME called the a tt en ti on of t h e H ouse t°s fact, that the d e p os iti ons aga i nst the Deacles, on 0,.'',1 the Learned Serjeant had so much relied, were disbeli e ; by the Jury. H e ( M r. H ume ) knew nothing of the re, tioners ; but he knew that the treatment they ho d r ip ceived was cruel and unjust. One ground of reason' 4 complaint on their part was, that in despair of establis hj , any other charg e , t h ey h a d h ien accused of a consPir°'''orff which was a symptom in the modern administratica l 0 , justice. The qu est i on i nvo l ve d i n t hi s pet i t i on we' °t!,! of great importance, not merely to the Deacles but to tv public, and it was thi s —h ow f ar M ag i strates were resro Bible for their conduct to the King's subjects. It is's i : ee p that the people s h ou ld k now w h y M rs. Deacle ha d hundcuff e d lik e a common f e l on. i t was quite clea r tlo t r , the petitioners ha,l been mistaken with regard to the P e i, son of the Hon. Baronet (Sir T. Baring); but he (k r e j Hume) did not know whether the Hon. Member ((l e o, that he had orde re d th a t M rs. D eac l e s h ould be handcuff to If he had not done so, it was of great consequenc e ~, i , ascertain who was the Magistrate who had He (Mr. Hume) put it to the House, whether it wa s oa st a point worth deciding, whether power should he C°. l i tinued to such an individual ? Simple justice required tbs o 1 the petition should be laid upon the table ; and that ~, 1 a future day it should be referred to a Select Comod 4h- „, r Mr. C. FERGUSON referred to the denial of the N o , I Member that he was present when Mrs. Deacle ' 4 . handcuffed, and to the oath of a witness to that effc c ; 1 He also urged that the Jury would probably have g iv o , I! larger damages than 501. it they had believed the egg. ot t vations charged in the declaration. At the same ', l O , t , he, too, was anxious to know who had ordered I‘ J o ti Deacle to be handcuffed, and if he were a Member , t ile House ought to be ashamed of his association. Both' it and her husband had had much to complain of. Si r d On the question being put that the petition do lie ur - 1 I the table, tho t !(1 Sir GEORGE CLERK objected, on the ground ',,,,,1t1: the petition, in substance, though not in form, compli e d k given the orde' l ! I of what had passed in the House in the speeche s k Members. _I ki Lord ALTHORP had seen the petition yesterdif,' , $:; it undoubtedly was d rawn up to eva d e t h e order d O , House : it complained of what had been contained io f, speeches of Members; but as the House, contrary t ° own order, allowed the publication: of those sp e eelle'; t , seemed hard upon petitioners to refuse them the 011 v, tunity of vindi c ati on f rom c h arges conta i ned i n *pe ec f On all accounts, therefore, he thought the House ough t l i t to be very scrupulous upon the point, and for no e t if should not object to the laying of the petition u pon table. $ Mr. ESTCOURT said, that as long as the ordetj, question stood upon the journals, it ought to be e nfors ,l yo It might be very proper to recall it, but at present i t O, the rule by w hi c h t h e H ouse d eclared it would be gto it He urged another objection to the petition, viz., lb c e, sought redress ft - on, the House in th e fi rs t inss3°Of whereas the Deacles ought to have come to it only ja. oo , last resort. He should oppose the receiving of the Mr. O'CONNELL contended, that if the Hon. I" t i , her were for enforcing one standing order against g e r tioners, he ought to go farther, and enforce 8" ° 0 against the publi ca ti on o f debates.—(Hear.) He s l ' ol, like to see the Hon. Member move that the proprielpe all the newspap e r s i n t h e U n i te d K i ngdom shun! of brought to the bar, for infringing the order that r , speeches of Members should not he published.--( ge t :01 hear.) Mr. and Mrs. Deacle had suffered severely' ;,,.. ct f the appointment of a Committee to inquire into the " 0 4 might end in the triumphant acquittal of the Magi s t l accused by them. petition, Sir the F .BU r ß el D at E in T g l a ' s uia t s d r i ldecmidoesdtlyiminpfoarvtonuitrlyoftto tie vee j j v ol t ?! ministration of justi ce . Th e p ower un d er w hi c h the l‘ tios, gistrates had acted in this in s t ance requ i re d i n vestig 3 tg tl and ha was strongly of Opi n i o n, th a t th e powe r exer e ' pe . by Magistrates generally needed great vigilance. T ° $ tition seemed to him very properly drawn, and cers 3j o l was that the parties had suff ere d severe l y b ot h i n purse,r ei , person. It would indeed be an e xt raor di nar y procee, a o S if a petition containing such a ll ega ti ons were re jecteth ill inquiry refused. Sg t The petition was then l a id u p on th e ta bl e , a nd it ordered that it should be printed. HACKNEY COACHES. sc i,ny Mr. S. RICE brought up the report on the 11 Coach Bill. It was ordered that it shpuld be "I,Jecl mitted on thin. day week, aid that the Bill as 0°- should be printed. SUPPLY, Mr. S. RICE move d t h at t h e H ouse reso l ve itself a Committee of Supply. On the motion that the Speaker leave the Chair, n o f: Mr. G. ROBINSON put a quest i on to t h e Chant 10, of the E xc h equer as to t h e or d er i n wh i c h the P° business was to be taken. A O i l Lord ALTHOLIP replied, thit it was in;4l••ri, the Co mm i ttee of SupY should situ ntil t e n o cl e c*:• std that then th e H ouse sho pl uld enter upon the wine du"', , WRECK OF THE ROTHSAY. Col. SIBTHORPE ex p resse d a h ope th a t his 1118..l e he ly Ministers would turn their attention to a late owls ° Ile occurrence—the loss of the Rothsay steam-Pad et ' o eo hoped that the Under-Secretary fur the Home DeP r try on would participate in the f ee li ngs o f th e w h o le cou n ; An ce' that subject, and would i nves ti ga t e th e eircurn . kte which were made pgliiic gy the popper:a 14queo , trusted that his Majesty's Ministers would . relievebefore from the necessity of bringing the subject formallyt the the House, and would i n t ro d uce a measure to provenio frequent recurrence of accidents of that kind, and toy 04 in a snmmary—(A laugh)—and proper way owners, who should cause such a catastf4Plle Y,. drunkenness Or neglect. Mr. LAMB thought that the subject ?Peeially c Jmine‘liate i of the rneia Measures We se em to re fit , Sir AD h . pi tradeuP the; ad jour sib! nment, e• Alth( did not agree e sittinggh) I and to contin oessa ,) , would vate but on Lord A d, ctte urnstan ces Bested to him 0 th e r), thi„, tight .K Hess °NDUCTe tlt the woo 11 nt--that