The Sun. — London, England, 1842-06-04 00:00:00

But, at the same time, let them speak the truth. The power i had affirmed two resolutions to the effect that the present state Of sending a Member to Parliament was used by the people— of society was fast involving the middle and working classes in f or what? "Why, that they might have the power of making ruin, and they had also affirmed a resolution, that the ordinary • their own laws"through that person. Well, was there no country financial, commercial, political, and theological schemes, were of that had exercised this power? There was a country—a demo- no service. Haying progressed so far, an important task tracvauch as the world had yet never seen—a democracy, such as remained for him, namely, to propose what he conceived very likely the world would never see again ; because, in addi- to b e a su b stant i al measure of rel i ef, and wh i ch was ela tion- to possessing th e b es t f o rm of Republicanism bodied in the following reselution—" That the only effectual which the world ever yet had seen, they had, added to this, and permanent remedy is to provide constant beneficial and better than all thin—millions of people—millions of fer- employment for all, and a sound practical education, for tile and uncultivated land,—rivers that looked like oceans. f the rising generation in Colonies at Home, under associated The population, too, sprung from the same stock as ourselves, l arrangements uniting the interests of all parties." In establish they were industrious, and possessed energy and all the re- ing the truth of this proposition it might be necessary to take quisites to call i n t o b e ing the immense wealth their natural up the views expressed by the previous speaker who had met the resources had furnished them with.—(Cheers.) What was political views of the question. It was observed by Alr. Parry, the result of this political freedom—what was the result of all in the speech which he made in reply to Mr. Fleming, that this immense power of producing wealth which they h a d l y i ng po li t i cal changes would be established if the Charter became the around them? Let them read the American papers for an law of the land, which would secure permanent relief to the answer—let them read the debates of the Congress of that suffering people of this country. He also told them that the American Republic for a reply—let them read the statement Chatter would be a measure of full justice.—( Cries of "It is of the President of the Republic. He (Mr. Fleming) held in so.") Now with respect to the Charter, he declared that he his hand a letter dated 14th May, from Philadelphia, and he went the whole length of the Charter, and much further, would read an extract to describe the result—the actual re- but still he declared that the Charter was not a full measure of cult of political power with the knowledge how to use it : justice, inasmuch as it was &species of class-legislation, cutting " I have nothing at present to say, more than that we are in a off one half the human race—woman.—( Loud cheers.) It wa' terrible situation, and I fear it will be long before we are an artificial principle of justice, to exclude woman from equal better. Our merchants are failing by dozens—business is at a rights with man; and no measure or scheme, whether known stand, and the Sheriff is the only man busy." Why, this by the name of the Charter or by any other name, could be a was the exact counterpart of Stockport. There, as in measure of full justice, unless it secured equal rights and privilgee America, the merchant s were failing by degrees, and the to both sexes—( Cheers)—and this be felt to be apeculiar feature sheriff's officer was the only man busy. This needed not to be of the system of home colonization which he proposed for their dwelt upon. It was a fact that, at this moment, destitution adoption. Mr. Parry told them that this system was a paltry prevailed. Commerce was embarrassed, bankruptcies and in- system ; that they had occupied a number of years in establishing solvencies were rile in all the commercial towns. This distress a small community at Tytherly, and that if they made such must continue so long as they persisted in continuing a bad ss s- slow progress, it would require one hundred years before they tern, therefore let them proceed to colonize society upon rational cculd colonize the whole population. He answered, look to principles, and one class would then be unable to opress an- what they had accomplished towards the salvation of society other. It was time that the whole truth upon the matter was in the last five or six years. Let them compare this with tl.e known. They would blame no man or body of men—what progress which had been made in political agitation for uni they blamed was the false system under which theh lived, 1 versal suffrage since the daysof Hunt and Carta right, Why the and they ought therefore to take means, as speedily as possible, country was in -a worse state than it ever had been, although to alter that system—which was injurious to all classes of so • the last forty or fifty years had been devoted to agitations upon ciety—until they carried out a truly catholic and elevated spirit ; the most extended scale for political change, and notwithstand :until they discarded from their meinds all paltry prejudices and ing all the exertions of these people, it was likely to continue class training ; until they could learn to view their fellow-men so ; while they (the Socialists) had been progressing amidst as children of one father, inhabiting one common home, liar- the persecution and opposition ef all parties, with nothing moniously living together, where they could not injure one te encourage them save a deep-grounded conviction of the without diminishing the happiness of the whole.- (Cheers.) truth of their principles and their competency to effect the Until they learnt the valuable lesson, hew to construct mea- ultimate salve , ion of the human race.—( Loud cheers. ) sures beneficial to all, they could nut take the first step towards What had the Socialists accomplished in the last four or five .regeneration, or benefiting of their fellow beings.—(Hear.) years? Why, in the last nine months they had obtained up. He had only one more point to allud e to, a n d that was to refer wards of 1,200 acres of land, upon which they had erected a to the theological plane. He really did no t t hi n k h e had much building equal, nay, superior to the mansions of the aristo. need to do so. He had t io denht th a t th ose gen tl emen brought up /Tarty. —( Cheers.) They had other advantages, too, which in Universities and variou s C o ll eges were qu it e as consistent, nu oilier establishment in the country could exhibit; and quite as unblameable in believing the superiority of the it would form a nucleus, a centre, from which would radiate Church, and wishing for c hurch-building and new Bishops. I measures that would carry salvation to the deserted homes of Doubtless their dispositions were good. 'they were as honest the working-classes of this and of every other country, and well-minded as any o ther party he hat named. The fact under heaven. This was what they had accomplished during had often struck him when passing through our University the . last few years. Alm Parry affected to d est ise this ex epsans, that they were large manufactaries for turning out I pertinent, but he ought to rec o ll ec t th a t the first step in all - eharaeters for • theological pursuits. The raw material wa s I new measures was the most diffi cu lt an d d angerous ; d i d ' sent down 'partially worked out—( hanghtce)—and they came I he forget the difficulty which had attended the application out not ::*.t -yards long, but certainly all Articles strong.—( A 1 of steam to locomotive purposes ? Did he not know laugh. ) Then they were bound to believe those Article s as the ! that the project for lighting that great city with gas was best things in the world. The doctrine wa s a first-rate doctrine ; i derided as visionary by the so-called very ablest practical men and this being' a kind of trade, they required shops, and it was ; of that day, and that the project for railways shared the same therefore natural that they should intact new ones, and attach j fate? Y, , t they were now enjoying the benefit of gas and themselves to a party that ,vouid give them assistance. But i railways. And so it was—the visionary scheme of yesterday they must net blame them for that. They were like them- j became the practical reality of to -day. Mr. Parry had re selves—the creatures of the circumstances in which they were i tarred to America, and said th a t, ii' they consulted B as il placed. Any one in th a t mee ti ng w h o was oppose d to this I Hall and Buckingham, they would find that America pos• class, would—bad he been brought up under the same cis- Sps s c d many solid advantages derived from universal suffrage aumstances, trained in the same manner, surrounded by the in that country. He (Mr. Buchanan) had read the works of same incitements--have been exactly like one of them. No j Mi s s Martineau only six months since, and yet, notwithstanding matter how wrong any fellow-man might be—no matter the statements of Mr. Parry, Miss Martineau declared what class training he had received, he acted tinder the control that America presented all the errors and anomaliesof the corn of circumstances. But there was a medium party who sought petitive system of this country; and Mr. Buckingham declared for rational reform, for universal reform, for harmonious re- that you dare not open your mouth in vindication of the rights form, for moral reform, who would teach man to go forward of the slave. This wa s no t th e case i n t h e s l ave- h old i ng States with his heart in his hand teaching t r uth s , an d b reat hi ng the alone, but the prejudice against the black population and the spirit of charity to all men, explaining in that spirit the prin- I slave population in the minds of the aristocratic class, was dis ciples and practice by which every.ehild born into society might 1 played in Philadelphia, and the cities of Carolina and Georgia. trotn its birth be made to become, through the medium of I 'Phis was a system which teas the result of class legislation, superior training, a happy, intelligent, and a usef u l being. lie and nothing better could be done until home colonization, upon would leave to these who would follow him the task of explain- the wide and comprehensive basis set forth in the resolution, ing how that was to be done. He had discharged, to the was carried out. When every man and woman should be use best of his ability, the duty which had devol ve d upon him, fully employed in cultivating the soil, combined with moderate without bad feeling to any, for he believed that every one of and scientifically-arranged labour in manufactures, then would the projects he had attacked were put forward honestly, and there be no overbearing landlords, or manufacturing tyrants. • that many . f it them contained truth, so far as they went ; -( Cheers. ) The present system of society would be changed— leat the principle he contended for was one which would coil- it would 1:e changed for one of the highest state of perfection ; lain all truth, and was based on universal first principles, and labour would be brought to bear on the production of the most believing that the country could only he emancipated by these useful articles of wealth ; and machinery—that monster power, me a n s , he proposed the resolution, "That none of the ordi- i that demon of destruction now, would, under a well-combined narily proposed measures—financial, commercial, political, or system of society, itself become an angel of light, scatter theological—are competent to effect substantial permanent re- ing comfort and blessing around.—(Cheers.) tinder the pre lief from the Increasing difficulties and sufferings of the middle sent system, woman, regardless of her condition, was employed and working classes."--( Cheers.) day after day, and became a mere drudge and slave; in Mr. Fr NC If said it would not he necessary for him to say words of the olds ong, a woman's labours were never ended ; but ' many words in seconding the motion which had been placed , i n the st a te thy proposed it would be entirely altered.— before them, it having been dealt with in all as ' (Cheers.) Mr. Buchanan concluded a long and eloquent speech parts se well by the previous speaker. The subject of ,by proposing the third resolution. the resolution naturally divided itself into four parts, in con- ; Mr. HA LL, having briefly seconded the resolution, sidering of the remedies proposed. Those of a financial ; - Mr. Vs HEELER rose to speak to it. He said lie should nature would not answer the desired effect, of removing the not propose :my amendment, but he considered the only means distress of the people. He need not say more en that question. of emancipating the nation was by the adoption of the Charter. Both -Whigs and Tories had in Parliament, at the commence- . Mr. APalimeme rose to move an amendment. He said he meet of the session, told the people plainly that they had to ' was surprised to see so` many assembled together to deny the remedy fur their distresses. Having this told to them at the existence of a God.—(Loud laughter was excited by this un onset, it was folly to expect that any remedy would be proposed. warranted assumption, and cries of " It's an insult to the They had measures brought before Parliament—and almost meeting ; put him down," &c., &c., in the midst of which the only thing Sir Robert Peel had in view was—to make up he sat down.) the deficiency in the revenue. Now he had two ways of The resolution was then put, and carried amidst much doing .this—either by lessening the expenses, or increasing' cheering. the income; but so far from adopting the former, and Mr. GA LPIN proposed the following resolution :—. That the roost rational mode of restoring the finances, he allowed means to provide constant beneficial employment to all, and a the present lavish expenditure to continue. Two unnecessary sound practical education for the rising generation, are pos wars were still persisted in, viz., the war in the East Indies and sessed in superabundance by the middle and working classes, the war with China, which, before they were ended, would cost were they united : and that it is in the power of these classes, the country many millions of money. And a more unjust, alby a wise combination of their mental and physical resources, more eruct; amore irrational war was nester undertaken by any j speedily to secure a high degree of permanent progressive people-than the war in the East Indies and the war in China. prosperity." He regretted that at that late hour he was pre- Now, a rational man would have taken means to put a stop to vented from going into the subject matter of the ressolution so these two wars, and have saved the country from those expenses tfully as was desirable. lie must, in consequence, content him which, howevei • unnecessary they were, would be entailed self by stating that all that was requisite to relieve the country upon them. Surety taile one emild e x p ec t th a t the condition of from its present difficulties, now and for ever; was a scientific one elaemof thenpeophmeould be improved by imposing an in- unietp of land, labour, skill, and capital —every one of which they come-tax,.. Itemealrobe ene.of the best taxe s t o lay on, to tax had litegreat plenty. One full, self-supporting experiment, the rich. That be would not dispute. But could the poor be would decide the principle, and to establish this they required improved: by taxing the rich and middle classes? No ; because about 2,000 acres of land; as many inhabitants, located thexieh:and middle-classes would-of course lessen their expendi- thereon in buildings scientifically arranged, and in the usual tore: They woulddischarge their servants, they would con- proportions of men, women, and children—the best skill which some amain their families, and the consequence would be a de- could he obtained—and, with respect to capital, say one million be cre ne arein fited, , busi the 'measure. • Then, wip the remedy erection of buildings of all kinds, stock, furniture, &c. The which had been alluded to by Mr. Fleming, and which operations of colonies founded on these principles would afford was. proposed by the Charter—(Cheers)—why, they had this a larger interest, and far better security for the funds advanced, priociple tin America, which had a democratic Govern- to any extent, than any other investment which could now be ment of the best form which had appeared r oe very many found in the world. Under wise arrangements the scheme ages, indeed. , perhaps, that had appeared in the world, would be adapted to all ranks and classes of the people, offering a ge , in democratic America, they still contin'?ed among advantages which were not to be obtained by any under the them the African slave-trade.--( Hear, and cheers.) Now, present system. It would, however, if adopted, as it should be, if democracy gave the people equal rights only, why did it nor by the Government, or large capatilists, on an extensive scale, induce democratic . America to liberate the slaves? They almost immediately absorb all the unemployed labour, skill, and found, upon reading accounts of the state of America, that the capital of the country, and place th e a d u lt popu l at i on i n a con dernocratical party in America were some o f the greatest ur dition of high prosperity and happiness, whilst it would gi ve holders of Af r i can s l aver y.—( H ear .) H e need not, as t e time was going on, say any mo re ; an d, as t h ere were a great to their children a sound p rac ti ca l e d ucat i on. — ( Cheers.) Time, however would not now permit him to go into details, and he number to speak after him, he. would' theiefore conclude by must, therefore refer them to the works of their Venerable seconding the resolution which had been laid before Chairman, who had had a large share of experience in these them.—( Cheers.) - - ' matters. These, together with an y f urt h er i n f ormation, might many grounds, but it was not his int ent i Mr. PA KILT said he was opposed t o the resolution on to distur upothn be obtained, on applic a ti on a t th e H ome C o l on i zation Office, b e 57 Pall-mall ; and he would recommend, as many as could, to harmony of the meeting which had been called by Mr. Owen, • • visit the Society's estate, in Hampshire, and judge for them for the purpose, lie presumed, of expounding the principles of selYes.—( Cheers. ) what he called home colonization. It was not his intention to Mr. T. HUNT seconded the resolution, which was carried disturb the harmony of the meeting by proposing any unanimously. amendment; he should vote against the resolution himself, 1 Mr. Teams proposed the following resolution :—" That the and he would state to the meeting the reason which remedy ought to be immediately appliA ttnder the direction of the induced him to do so. Ile had listened to Mr. Fleming with Government ; but that—as it is evident that those who conduct patience and attention in bringing forward the resolution, and the national affairs are unacquainted with the mode by which he would endeavour, in the same calm spirit which Mr. such remedy can be applied—this meeting do petition both Fleming had displayed, to state his objections to what had Ilousesof Parliament, memorialize the Government, and ad been said in support of the resolution. Alm Fleming said that I dress her Majesty, praying that efficient individuals may be there had been no political scheme yet devised as a satisfac- appoint e d to investigate this most important subject." He tory remedy for the great evils under which society at present la- then read the following Memorial, Petition, and Address. bowed. He would not deal with the financial scheme. He " MEMORIAL would say nothing about the Income-tax that night, nor would ~ op a Meeting called by public advertisement, held at the he say anything on the theological pinav, as, according to his Crown and Anchor Tavern, London. on Wednesday, notions, no man could judge another—it was a question alone June 1, 184 9 ; to the Government of Great Britain and between his God and himself.—( Cheers.) He would - Ireland, - confine himself to political subjects, arid he said : 1- Shovretla—That your hlemorialists find that a large por- I he did b e li eve t h ere had b een devised a scheme—a 1 tion of both classes are in a degraded and deplorable state of line of policy which would redeem this nation from ; existence, and experience much mental suffering, such as no its present financial and other difficulties. That scheme human beings should be c om p e ll e d to cont i nue to suffer in any was the Cha r t er .—( Ch eers.) Why were the working classes civilised country, after remedies h ave b een di scovere d . suffering ?It was b ecause they had no control ove r the Go. a That Great Britain and its dependencies superabound with vernment and Legislature of the country. Mr. Fleming ridi- all `lie meanh to remove these evils. oiled what he called political doctors; but there was another hat u Memel' lists blame no parties for this state of clam quite as great empiries, for he had yet te learn that the low wretchedness with t w a hieh so large a portion of the opu- Socialist s were better than any other class of society in mending lation is afflicted. or for the grievous g mental sufferings of P other the condition of the people. Mr. Owen said they must begin by large portions of it ; but attribute the cause to the natural and producing wealth for themselves.--( Great cheering .) Now the unavoidable progress from 'an inferior to a superior state of so- Charter would enable them to do this. —(Cries of " ;Nu," disap probation, and cheers.) The Charter alone would be the means 1 ciety. " of accoThat your latemoriali s t s are d eep l y i mpressed with the inplishing this.—(Disapprobation.) He would place a conviction that the means of. relief from these evils —means few facts before them. Those who were rational would listen to now so abundant within -the British. dominions—might be him e stheise who were not he did not fear. How was the sys- I applied most Advantageously for all parties at this period, to tent of Iterne colonization to work ? The then small and cum- immediately diminish, and 'ere long entirely remove, the paratively insignificant simony at Tytherly, bo w h a d t h ey pro- causes which 110 W create so much - misery and discontent hgressed ? And to carry out the scheme they would require throughout the popula.lion of these realms. undreds of thousands of pounds, for home colonization could a That your Memorialists have a plain, simple plan of relief for riot proceed without funds. He wanted to know how they these evils, which. they request the Government to investigate, were to get those funds. Mr. Oweb proposed to appeal to and if it should bo found efficient fur the purpose, that it may the rich. Now, did Mr. Owen believe that that appeal would be now adopted. be effectual.. He wished' it might be so. they, had i " That vetir Menhorialists hrge this measure on the Govern heen engaged for years upon - Tytherlam and yet it was not meat bechuse no other party appears to have examined this tinishecanowe and if the whole scheme was to be judged by this, haveproposed any effectual per they subject to its foundation, or to they would never accomplish` it. Mr. Owen said that home colonizame n be wo u ld manent remedy. a g o o d he would b e aisle " to Pay inaerestaon-the capital but he asked wh e th er h e cou ld , And your Memorialists w ill ever pray, " & c. with the. `atiedosvnt hope, "eipect the wealthy classes to assist " PETITION. in honiescolonittatien ?: - Whoeret heard of time wealthy classes •" To both Houses of Parliament agreed, aim coming forward'inemnelte to 'relieve the sufferings of the great " Showeth,—That your petitioners are deeply impressed with mass of the peptilattewhl, He said that the question was absurd. the difficulties and dangers in which all classes are involved in TThey d was .fi did 'lra er ask Ihhatheach a rity o f t h e we al t h y—all they Great Britain and Irela n d; diffi cu l t i es an d d angers created by est te thsapotainahata to hive his rights.— ( Cheers.") the past proceedings of so c ie t y. The miserable charitiea rif thi s t cr e nstry had beet, its curse. They " That the causes of these evils have been calmly sought by had soup societies, and a nuMber of other societies, all of your petitioners; that they have discovered these causes ; and which would not be required if the labourer had his rights.— also the only effectual remedies for them. ( Loud eherra. ) He wanted to see the ng ish ' F 1 . a labourer " 't hat these remedies are now easy of application, and would earning his own livelihood by the sweat of his brow, which he be found most advantageous for the whole population, of every could pot do now, for there was hideous and frightful destitu- rank and class. rion throughout the land, and which would remain while the " That your petitioners pray your Right Honourable (or present evil institutions continued. He did not consider the middle Honourable) House to appoint a Parliamentary Commission or classes were going to ruin, for they were better off now tha n Committee, or to adopt any other more efficient mode, as it ever they were.—( Loud cries of " No, no ," and consider- may deem best, to investigate these causes and remedies. able confusion.) The working man was going to ruin, for if " And your petitioners will ever pray," &c. they went into his room they found destitution and distress, but " ADDRESS And what s , they did not find that in the tradesman's parlour._. To her Most Gracious Majesty ; from a Meeting called by was the reason the middle classes enjoyed .3.larger public advertisement, and held at the Crown and Anchor share of„ the franchise o f the country ? First, the Tavern, on Wednesday. June I, 1842. franchise was possessed by the Monarchy alone, and it thrived " May it please your M • i th e s ty, under it ; then the ari s t ocracy possessed it, a nd they thrived "'We, your Majesty's most faithful subjects, in public meet under it, and by th e Reform Bill the middle classes possessed ing assembl e d, are i mpelled by a strong sense of duty to the it. and they thrived u n d er i t. —( C r i es o f " N o, no ," an d con - d eep l y su ff er i ng, industrious population of these realms, 'to pre fusion.) Mr. Fleming had said that America was distressed, sent the following simple statement of facts to your Majesty, but he did not find such a thing mentioned in the works of Mr. for your consideration, as chief ruler and' governor of the Flitekingham, Miss Martineau, or even Mrs. Trollope. Look British Empire, upon whom, through the choice 'of your at Switzerland for a perfect democracy ; there they saw the Ministers, the care and well-being of the whole - population people happy. In conclusion he must again repeat that the more especially devolve. country could never prosper until the Charter became law. " That a large portion of the well-disposed and industrious Mr. Ft EMING said the time of the evening would not h e rm i t par t o f th e population of Great Brits in and Ireland are unem him to reply to Mr. Parry, and in declining to do so he b egge d p l oye d , h a lf- em pl o yed, or ill-employed.l,, say that it was not because he co u ld not bring good and a 'that cons id e rable numbers of this population arc unedu sufficient reasons in reply, but that he would leave it to the (m i m e or ill_ e d uea ted, and many in a state of brutal ignorance - proposer of the next resolution, who would, he hoped, take up ° That, in c onsequence, vice, crime, and misery, have latterly such parts 'as required attentien. rapidly increased, until now they have attained an appalling e x _ A WORKING Mars rose,; and said 1 • le wished to propose an tent throughout England, Ireland, S . cotland, and Wales. amendment to the resolution. He should not - address the " That t' is state of matters seriously endangers the s a f e ty meeting long in support of it, as heb Majesty'sdominions, and the , • " He thought the working man eu ht was t an uneducated man. and well-being of your . .tontinu. wsess the - franchise, ante of Royal power, by reason of its great expenditure and which was only his right, and he g e h ont o h P e following amendment :—" That it is the therefore o prnpose the these most unsatisfactory results. pinion of this meet- " That we are most desirous to prevent the longer continu jing. that the working classes of this -country will net Obtain ante of the . 1 o h 1 nd danger to the Govern ustice ,antil they are fully and fairly rep an the en st t e peop e, a . resented in the Cora- be devised, ment, until a better system of governing can and, eahanons House of Parliament." th iatil ae -'" The amendtvTnt . having been seconded, wa s - without violence, established. Put end lost by " That the British Empire possesses, within its own domains, a'i a an immense majority. ~ , , .'-' The original resolution was then put; and carried almost : a _6l unanimously , and amidst-much cheering. . .. .. _ , ~all the means, wits! every kind ofrequisite appliances, to w employ and well-educate , ell within the British Islands, not only the whole of the resent industrious class but at least four, FON.' '. '*, Mr. BucuAri4 . N said they' had gone through- mnreethinthai . • the resent , ( 1 ' • - • • , f live, or six times l e ts amount; and most beneficially for every .4,. , the hueu ! en for.Tblob the anemic . bad b een egavaaed...Th ey - class , f rom -, . ~ ~ , ~,.-: :, .--:.: .:1• , ..:..: -r::.. 7• . - - , • - .. - 'k 4 Y ''. ': l'r '2.', :'.!' ...2-r: - ., ~ !!-. ' - , - / - • ; THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDA% MORNING, JUNE 4, 1842 L{ We are conscious that the best and most efficient made of applying these ample means to give permanent relief to the population, without temporary evil to any portion of it, is not yet fully known either to the Government or the people, or it would be immediately adopted. 44 We believe that a discovery has been made of the means and mode of applying them to extensive practice, even to the empire, wide az , are its limits in the four quarters of the world; and we desire to be aided by the Government to effect, in the shortest time, this great good for our country ; and that it may become a beneficial and glorious example to the world. 44 We therefore beseech your Majesty to overcome all the obstacles of form or prejudice, which may otherwise intervene to prevent your Majesty from giving such directions to your Ministers as will effect this most to be desired result, for the permanent happiness of all your Majesty's subjects, and of all the nations of the world. " For and on behalf of the Meeting, " ROBERT OWEN, Chairman." These having been seconded were carried unanimously. It was then agreed that the documents should be signed by the Chairman on behalf of the meeting, and that the movers and seconders of the resolutions should form a Committee to secure the presentation of the Memorial, Petition, and Address. .51r. FINCH was then moved to the chair, and the thanks of the meeting having been given by acclamation to Mr. Owen, that gentleman expressed his great gratification at the very patient and orderly conduct of the assembly, and their disposi tion to listen to the truth ; after which the meeting separated, at half-past eleven o'clock. SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS. FROM THE EVENING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY. GLOBE.—In the House of Lords, last night, Lord Kinnaird forced upon the attention of a reluctant audi tory the subject ;.,f national distress. The refusal of their Lordships to consent to the appointment of a Com inittee, for the purpose of investigating the causes which have conspired to produce this calamitous state of things, was to be expected. The inquiry would, neces sarily, be long and laborious, without having an object sufficiently interesting to repay the sacrifice of time which must be taken from aristocratic pursuits ; and the application to which would be at once fatiguing and futile. If the cause of faction could have been served, or the prospect of obtaining a paltry party gratification been held out—as in the Committee appointed by their Lordships to inquire into the administration of the Irish Government by Lord Normanby—there would have been sufficient motive to stimulate exertion, and sufficient advantage to reward it: But to inquire into the distress of the country—to investigate its origin, e:ith a view to applying relief adequate to its ex tent and severity, and with the ultimate design of providing a suitable remedy—who would be so unreasonable as to expect anything of the kind ? The idea was preposterous, as the Duke of Welling ton pretty plainly intimated. If Parliamentary decorum, maintained in their Lordships' House to the verge of frigid etiquette, would have tolerated the use of terms so vulgar, the motion, if not its originator, would have been voted a grievous bore ! With whatever inattention the facts brought before the House of Lords by Lord Kinnaird might be treated in that assembly, those facts, with the statements bv which the terrible distress of the country was illustrated and proved, will make their due impression out of doors. Though the sufferers, spread over the face of the country, but congregated in masses in the manufacturing districts, fail to obtain the ear of the Lords—though, under the leadership of a Wel lington, and countenanced by a Richmond, the Member of the Peerage who brings the lamentable tale of public suffering before their Lordships fails to obtain an atten tive hearing, and is compelled to withdraw his motion in sheer despair of taking anything by pressing it to a divi sion—the effect upon the country is nut lost. When we find this determined disposition shown to refuse inquiry, and so much soreness displayed lest the exclusive in terests of the landowners should be brought in question by the inquiry asked for, or even alluded to, however incidentally, in the cours e o f a s p eec h i n w hi c h t h e dis tresses of the manufacturing population are exhibited, we cannot help suspecting that there is a secret mis giving as to the possibility of much longer preserving, fer the doubtful advantage of a class. a policy which works certain and incalculable mischief's to the com munity. STANDARD.—The House of Commons did not sit last night, and for anything useful that passed in the higher House of Parliament, that noble assembly might as well have given itself a similar relaxation. Lord Kinnaird moved for. a Committee to inquire into the causes of the present distress, with the expectation of withdrawing his motion, which expectation was of course realised ; but also with the purpose of making a long speech, which his Lordship had the power to execute. Ile made his speech, in which he condemned the Queen's letter—condemned the relief given by the Government to the sufferers a t Paisley—condemned the Corn-laws—con- demned the patience of the people—in short., condemned everything of which wise and good men approve. He was answered at some length by the Duke of Wellington, who defended all that the Nillble Lord denounced. Lord Radnor consistently supported his friend Lord Kinnaird's motion. A short debate followed, in which the Duke of Richmond, Lord Western, Lord Clanricarde, Lord Monteagle, Lord Brougham, and Lord Fitzgerald took part ; • hut Lord Kinnaird and Lord Radnor found themselves unsupported by any one, and the motion having served its purpose, was, as we have said, withdrawn. Some speeches deserve attention from their eloquence, or from the ingenuity, the force, or novelty of their arguments. Lord Kinnaird's speech challenges notice by the opposite qualities in all respects—it was not eloquent, as all who know his Lordship will easily believe, and its arguments were a hash of the thousand times refuted common-places of the Anti-Corn-law League, put so unhappily together as to expose altogether ludicrously• their weakness and inconse quence. The -Noble Lord's quarrel with the Queen's letter is curious. It is not addressed to the teachers of dissenting congregations. We know not how these teachers will receive the complaint that they are not placed under the authority of the executive ; but such a complaint is strongly at variance with their professed ab horrence of a connexion with the State. What has the Queen to. do with the teachers of dissenting congrega tions as such ? As Queen, she owes protection to all her subjects, whatever their religious professions; but she can exercise specific authority only over those over whom the laws have given her authority. . - ------ - MONEY MARKET-and CITY NEWS. CHRONICLE.--It appears by the American papers lately received there is an impression in the United States that the leading European capitalists have come to the determination not to enter into any contract for a loan to the United States, or a state government, until effectual measures shall have been adopted for the restoration of state credit ; and we are informed that declarations to that effect have been made by houses here of great influence. If the capitalists referred to did make any suit contract, it does not seem probable that the English public would take the loan from them for investment. Stock issued by American states, whose resources are beyond ques. tion, is at present without demand; which we can only ac count for, in the situation of our Money Market, by the exist ence of an apprehension that the principles of repudiation, in respect to public engage ments, evinced in some of the states, pervade the whole country. Danish Three per Cents. and New York Fives are at about the same rate; the Threes very cur rent and the Fives unsaleable. There can be no doubt, how•. ever, that in population and wealth New York very much sur passes Denmark. While the United States Government is un able to raise money in London, it is currently reported that the Government of Mexico have been offered an advance of 15,000,000 of dollars by the British merchants in Mexico, tna condition that Santa Anna brings forward a liberal tariff. - MORTALITY in the METROPOLIS. The following are the results of " A Table of Mortality in the Metropolis, showing the Nu m b er o f D eat h s from all Causes Registered in the week ending May 28, 1842." The Table is issued from the Office of the Registrar-General : Weekly Average 1838-9-40.1 Total, r Four I Four Springs IYear* Epidemic, Endemic, & Contagious Diseases 147 183 190 Diseases of the Brain, Nerves, and Senses 154 147 149 Diseases of the Lungs, and other Organs of Respiration Oi,seases of the Heart and Blood-vessels Diseases of the Stomach, Liver, and other Organs of Digestion ... .. 51 56 61 Diseases of the Kidneys, &c Cbildbed, Diseases of the Uterus, Sec.-- 9 9 10 Diseases of the Joints, Bones, and Muscles 3 6 6 Diseases of the Skin, &c Diseases of Uncertain Seat 0 1 . d Age, or Natural Decay 62 63 69 Deaths by Violence, Privation, or Intem perance Causes not specified 2 6 7 Deaths from all causes. 833 Average Weekly Deaths B7l 912 Population Average Death enu. Weekly in merated Deaths the 1641. 1839-9-4 C-1. Week. West—Kensington, St. George ( Hanover-square),Westmin- Four Four ster, St. Martin in th e Fi e ld s , Ye •rs-I springs- St. James 300,705 135 136 148 North—St. Mary-le-bone, St Pancras, Islington, Hackney 365,660 162 156 153 Central —Saint Giles and Saint George, Strand, Clerkenwell, Holborn, St. Luke, East Lon don, West London, City of London 373,806 188 179 169 East—Shoreditch,Whitechapel, Bethnal Green, St. George in the East, Stepney, Poplar 392,491 206 190 165 South—St Saviour, St. Olave, St. George( Southwark),Ber mondsey, Newington, Lam beth, Camberw.ll, Rothe' , hitke, Greenwich .. . ... -.438,060 221 210 198 CAUSES OF DEATH. _ ---- Total 1,870,727 912 871 833 It is stated that under the term Metropolis are comprised the 32 districts herein mentioned, which include the City of Lon. don with and without the walls, the City and Liberties of Westminster, the out-parishes within the Bills of Mortality_. and the parishes of St..%Ltrylebone, St. Pancras, Kensington, Fulham, Hammersmith C,hapelry), St. Luke (Chelsea), Pad dington, St. Mary (Stoke Newington), St. Leonard_(Brom ley), St. Mary-le-bow, Camberwell, Greenwich, St. Nicholas and St. Paul (Deptford), and Woolwich. The population, as enumerated in 1831, was 1,594,890, and in June 1841, was 1,870,727. The weekly average for 1838, 1839, 1840, and 1841, was obtained by dividing the deaths in the four years by 208, and the deaths in the four winters by 52. TEMEEILATUKE IN THE WEEKS ENDING May 21.. May 5 . .3. 70D 75- 48 48 s' - i 59 2, 1812. iiighest Luw . est Daily Mean . General Register Office, June The Einelie and Felix, Captain 13cl-rho, which ar rived on the 29th at Havre, from Martinique, brings us details of the effects produced in that colony by the news of the ad .journment of the debate on the sugar question. The accounts given by the Captain represent the alarm as general, and busi peas completely at a stand.— Commerce. ' On Sunday afternoon last a man who was. lying ,asleep on th e parape t (,f the Qusi de ]'H o t e l Di eu f e ll suddenly into the river. The immersion awoke him, and .his cries being heard he was rescued by two persons of the hospital, into which he was conveyed, and he was soon perfectly re:. stored. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, June :3. The Loan CumicEnott took his seat on the Wool sack, at Five o'Clock. A number of Bills upon the table were advanced a stage. CATHOLIC EMANCIPATION.--111AYNOOTH. Lord KENYON presented several petitions against the College of Maynooth—for an inquiry into the sys tem of education pursued there—for the exclusion of Roman Catholics from Parliament—and for the repeal of the Act of 1829, called the Catholic Relief Act. CASE OF MR. BIDDULPII. The Marquis of NORMANBY wished to correct a misapprehension which had gone abroad as to what he had said last evening on the subject of Mr. Biddulph's case. It was supposed that he had expressed himself as satisfied that no blame attached to the Lord Chancellor, or the Lord (Thief Justice, nor either to the Noble Lord at the head of the Irish Government. What he had said was, that no blame could attach to either of those Judges, and that whilst he did not blame his Noble Friend, the Lord Lieutenant, yet he regretted that his Noble Friend should not blame the Attorney and Solicitor-Generals for leav ing him in ignorance; but he also said that he hoped that what had occurred would prevent his Noble Friend from allowing himself to be kept in ignorance in future. The Earl of RIPON had understood his Noble Friend to say that he entirely acquitted the Lord Chief Justice, the Lord Chancellor, and the Lord Lieutenant, but that the whole blame lay with the Law Officers of the. Crown. The Marquis of NORMANBY had said more than simply that, for ho had expressed his regret that his Noble Friend did not blame the Attorney -General for keeping him in ignorance, whereas he had expected his Noble Friend to express great indignation on the subject. .The Earl of CLARENDON gave notice, that on Mon. day next he would present an important petition from the Cape of Good Hope. _ _ POOR-LAWS. Earl STANHOPE presented numerous petitions from Oldham and other places, against the existing Poor-laws. LIVERPOOL COURTS. A Message from the Commons brought up the Bo rough Courts of Liverpool Bill. INCOME. TAX. The Earl of ROSEBERY presented petitions from Market Deerham, Nerfidlc, against the Income-tax. FACTORY BILL. The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition from the clergymen of Leeds, and from seventy other clergy men in various parts of Yorkshire, Lancashire, &c., against the employment of children in factories. and in favour of a Ten Hours' Bill. He concurred in the prayer of the petition, which he considered was entitled to their Lordships' grave attention, as it came from persons who were altogether disin terested, and who had the best opportunities of forming a correct estimate of the effect of the present system. The Law of Evidence Improvement Bill, and the Fines and Recovery (Wales and Chester) Bill, were each read a third time and passed. The Australia and New Zealand Land Bill went through Committee. AFFAIRS IN AFGHANISTAN. Lord BEAUMONT rose, pursuant to notice, to pre sent a petition from the Indial Committee of the Colonial Society, praying for the production of documents re lating to the origin of the war in Affghanistan. The petitioners expressed their deep regret, that the boundary between the dominions of Russia, and the ter ritories of Great Britain in the East, had been thrown open ; when they had already seen Turkey made war upon, and left without assistance, until she was completely broken down beneath the power of Russia ; they saw the Caspian swept of the flag of Persia, and the influence of Russia so es tablished as to be able to turn attention to Persia as a part of her hereditary territory, and to cause a second attack to be made upon He rat, in spite of the remonstrances of England. If the papers which he had seen were correct, their in formation went to confirm the supposition that there had been a willingness on the part of Dost Mahommed to form an alliance with the British Government ; but that the Russian Envoy arrived before communications could be received, and the consequence was, that Dost Ma hommed entered into communication with St. Peters burgh, and an alliance was formed with Runjeet Sing, who was to attack Shah Soojah, and commence • the war in Afighanistan. The result of this had been but too disastrous. The production of those papers would prove whether the English had lost all their influence in Affghanistan. He believed that the English had ample means of repelling the attacks, and preventing the in juries which had occurre d. B u t thi s part o f the war he would not dwell upon; it was to the commencement of the war that the prayer of the petition referred. It prayed for the production of documents relative to Runjeet Sing and Shah Soojah. It might be said that it was not usual to produce to Parliament these documents, but it must be remembered that an immense power was de legated to the President of the Board of Con trol, and therefore the Parliament had a right to ask some explanation of the line of conduct which he had pursued. He had the power of making peace or declaring war in India, and therefore it was but right that lie should be called upon to give an explanation when it was required by Parliament. The war in India was set forward as a kind of gilding to the pill of the Income-tax, and the people of England hacl . kor this reason also a right to an' answer. He thought': he had stated enough to justify the petition, but if it Was found inconvenient for any reasons to give those despatches, ho would abstain from asking for them, at the•sarne time holding himself disengaged to renew the subject when those reasons ceased. He should, therefore, move that the petition be laid on the table. ORMSBY INCLOSURE BILL. A Conference was appointed by the House to meet the Conference of the House of Commons, to discuss the amendments on this Bill. AFFGHANISTAN. Lord FITZGERALD said that he did not think their Lordships would wish, or the Noble Lord himself expect, that he should follow the Noble Lord into the various topics which he introduced in the course of his speech, especially as the petition he had presented only came from the Secretary of a Society of which their Lordships had heard but little—(Hear, hear)--and on which he did not propose to fonnd any motion. It would be unbecoming and unfair in him (Lord F.), holding the position lie did, were he induced, in the present imperfect state of their in formation-from India, and of the position of their army there, to enter into a discussion so premature and ill timed. It was not for him (Lord F.) to defend the policy of the measures the Noble Lord complained of. When that policy came under discussion, he would not hesitate to express his opinion of it, but it would be enough for him to defend the policy which the present Government would in future recommend.—(Hear, hear.) Yet he hardly thought the Noble Lord did justice to those who recommended the course of policy he complained of, when he stated that Parliament and the country were ignorant of the motives upon which the late Government acted. He was not giving any Opinion, but viith the volume he held in his hand, he thought the Noble Lord could hardly ma k e that statement. The Noble Lord had, in the course of his observations, laid too broad a foundation for the superstructure that he had afterwards raised ; for in presenting a petition from a private society he had not prepared a foun dation for the discussion of a proposition relative to the whole of the policy of England as connected with Russia, Turkey, and Central Asia. He must say that' the feelings which the Noble Lord had expressed relative to the hostility of Russia to this country were feelings which her Majesty's Government did not share with the Noble Lord. There never was a period at which, in the relations subsisting between Russia and Great Britain. with respect to Turkey and the East, there existed more confidence and more amicable feeling, and there was no country in the world in which the diplomatic agents of both countries had been acting with more cordiality and success than had the agents of those countries lately at the Court of Te heran. This much he (Lord Fitzgerald) thought it necessary to say, for the purpose of allaying those ap-, prehensions, from whatever quarter they might come, which seemed to be entertained by some parties with respect to Russia.—(Hear, hear.) Having stated so much, he did not think it necessary to advert further to - the various points referred to by the Noble Lord in his speech. Discussions of this kind could be but prejudicial to the government of affairs in India. No information could be elicitesl by such discussions, inasmuch as, in the present state of our information on the subject, no responsible ser vants of the Government were competent to throw much light on the state of the matter ; therefore it was that he deprecated any discussion on these topics. If papers had ibeen withheld by Govern ment, it was because the exigency of the public service required it. If the Noble Lord had moved for the production of papers on the subject, he (Lord Fitzgerald) -should have been prepared to resist the motion. He would content himself, in conclusion, with observing that he trusted the Noble Lord would not think it necessary tb renew this discussion, which it was most desirable should be avoided. Lord BEAUMONT explained. He bad merely stated that he believed that certain papers had been withheld alacycuthraetGe informationove Government, on t, withthoeutsuthb subject could eprodu be obtained. production ofs t s a ii in ic ed. hno Lord FITZGERALD was not able to give the Noble Lord the satisfaction which he desired, of hearing that there was a likelihood of a war with Russia. The petition was then ordered to lie on the table as the petition of Mr. Whitt - . The House then adjourned till Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 3. The SPEAKER took his seat at the usual hour. BOROUGH Or BELFAST. Mr. HAY TER brought up the Report of the Belfast Committee. The Report stated that James Emerson 'ferment and William Johnson,- Esqrs., were not duly elected to serve as Members for the borough of Belfast, and that the election was void. • Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice that he • would, on Monday, move for the suspension of - the writ, and for an inquiry into th e corrupt com p rom i se b y w hi c h gross bribery, multiplied perjury, and personation to a great ex tent, were prevented from being investigated. LEEDS IMPROVEMENT - BILL Mr. G. KNIGHT moved that the Committee on this Bill have leave to make a special Report. DEPTFORD PIER BILL. Sir J. HANMER brought up the Report on this Bill, which was ordered to be engrossed. On the motion of Captain WENIYSS, the Burntisland and Granton Pier Bill was read a third time and passed. On the motion of Sir _HOWARD DOUGLAS, the Liverpool Borough Court Bill was read a third time, and • passed. On the motion of Mr. MILES, the Lords' amendments to the B;istol. and Gloucester Railway Bill,were agreed to. LONDON AND CROYDON RAILWAY (GRANGE ROAD) APPROACHES. The Report on this Bill was brought up, and ordered to be engrossed. Mr. CLIVE moved the consideration of the Report on the London and Croydon Railway (Grange-road) Ap proaches Bill. Sir E. KNATCHBULL opposed the bringing up of the Report, and moved as an amendment that it should be taken into furtlier consideration that day three months. Lord MARSHAM seconded the motion of the Right Hon. Baronet. Mr. KEMBLE said he had heard a great deal about a breach of faith on the part of the Croydon Com pany, and a variety of other charges against them ; but he should not occupy the attention of the House by alluding to them now, as the question to be considered was, whether the forms of the House had been complied with. He thought that consistently with the forms of the House, if the Bill had not passed through the requisite forms, it could not now be in its present shape.—(Hear, hear.) The facts were those :—The Croydon Railway originally petitioned for leave to bring in a Bill, for the purpose of forming a road. lie (Mr. Kemble) was on that Com mittee, and the Committee was of opinion that the question they had to consider was, whether this was to be a common Road Bill em'a Railway Bill ; if a Rail way Bill, then the fortes of the House had net been com plied with ; and they considered, inasmuch as the word depot had been introduced, it must be a railway. The Croydon Company appealed, to' the Committee of Stand ing; Orders, when the former' decision was confirmed. He then brought in another Bill—that Bill had been acceded to, and was now in the condition in which it appeared before the House. From a paper which he held in his hand, it appeared that the Green wich Railway Company were of opinion that it was the intention, and within the power of this Com pany, to use the land they required under the Bill for a railway or a depot, but as they said it was only for a road that they went before the Committee, the Greenwich Company did not see any grounds for op posing them there. He should like to know what grounds they had now ? It was the instruction of his Hon. Friend on his right, at the third reading of the Bill, to introduce a clause to pre vent them making this road into a railway. They had been told by eminent counsel that they could not make it into a railroad, and they had no intention of doing so ; they had no objection, therefore, to the intro duction of a clause to let the house understand that they had no, power or desire to make anything but a road. Under these circumstances he should certainly oppose the motion of the Right Hon. Gentleman. He trusted the House would support the Bill, and, if a division took place, that a large majority would appear in its favour. Mr. STRUTT said, that as Chairman of the Com mittee which recommended the House to grant per mission to the Committee to introduce their Bill, he wished to say a few .words. If the Com mittee had supposed that such clauses as appeared in the Bill were intended to have been introduced, they never would have, recommended the House to grant permission for its introduction. It was under stood that this was to be a mere Road Bill for the access of carriages and carts to the terminus of the railway, but as clauses were proposed to erect bridges, and otherwise level the roads, it appeared that a railway was contemplated. Had the Committee been aware of this they certainly would'not have made the recommen dation they did. If , the House allowed this Bill to pass, it would be setting a dangerous precedent in allowing el:fuses to be introduced into a Road Bill for the construction of a railway. lie must say that it appeared to him that these parties had,spot adhered to the original Bill for which alone they received the indulgence of the House in being allowed to introduce it. Under these circumstances, he felt it his duty to support the motion of the Right Hon. Baronet. Mr. DARBY considered that the opposition to this Bill by the Greenwich Railway Company, was for the purpose of establishing a monopoly on their own parts. If the House rejected this Bill, it would in fact be decid ing that no person should come to London by railway from Dover, Tunbridge, Croydon, or Brighton, except by the Greenwich line. Mr:WILSON PATTEN would, on the third reading of the Bill, move the insertion of a clause prohibiting• the Company from laying down rails on this line of road without again applying to Parliament. Mr. CHILDERS objected to the introduction of any provisions into this Bill, enabling the Company to make preparations for turning it into a railroad at some future period. If a west-end terminus for the Croydon Rail way were desirable, let the Company bring in a Bill for that purpose ; but the terminus of the proposed road was quite as far from Westminster Bridge as the pre sent terminus. WATERFORD ELECTION COMMITTEE. It being now nearly five o'clock the names of the Members chosen to serve on the Waterford Election Committee were called over as follows :—J. Jervis, Esq., Captain Boldero,'Admiral Deans Dundas, E. H. A'Court, Esq., J. H. Vivian, Esq., Viscount Somerton, J, W. Hogg, Esq., Chairman. When the Hon. Members came. to the table to be sworn, it was discovered that Viscount Somerton was absent. The other Members then withdrew from the table. ATHLONE ELECTION COMMITTEE. The following Members were then called to the table, to be sworn in, to serve on the Athlone Election Com mittee :—the Hon. G. C. Forester, Sir B. Hall, B. Bottield, Esq., C a pt a i n Pechell, J.llornby, Esq., Sir James Duke, E. Divett, Esq., Chairman. Sir James Duke not appearing to answer to his came, Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET said, he under stood that Sir James Duke was suffering from severe indisposition, and that his medical man was in attendance to be examined. He therefore moved that the medical man be called in.—Agreed to. The motion having been agreed to, Mr. J. Bainbridge, the medical gentleman in attendance on Sir J. Duke,. was then called in, and in answer to questions from the SPEAKER, stated that Sir J. Duke was at present very ill, though not dangerously so; that he thought it w ou ld be dangerous fo r hi m t o atted an Election Committee, as he was suffering from a sore throat, which he was ap prehensive might turn into scarlet fever. He had gone out of doors yesterday, but he was not so well to-day. The witness was ordered to withdraw, and On the motion of Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET, the order for the Committee was discharged, to be re ferrEd back to the ComMittee of Selection, on their first day of meeting (Monday next). WATERFORD COMMITTEE. The .Members composing the Waterford Committee were .again called to the table, and Viscount Somerton being still absent, Ljrd G. SOMERSET moved, that the Sergeant -at- Arms be ordered to take the Noble Viscount into custody.—Agreed to. CROYDON RAILWAY BILL. The debate on the Croydon Railway was then re sumed. Mr. ESCOTT complained that the Standing Orders were not complied with in the present case. Mr. RICE said that the main object for which the House had to consult, was the convenience of the public. That was an object much more important than the squabbles of railroad companies. Mr. ATTWOOD would vote forstopping the further progress of the Bill. Mr. LABOUCHERE would vote against the further progress of the Bill, in consequence of the Standing Orders of the House not being comlSlied with. Mr. GREENE opposed the Bill. The House then divided, when there appeared,— For the reception of the Report BB For the amendment Majority for the amendment —6o ORMSBY INCLOSURE BILL. A Conference was appointed to consult with the Lords respecting certain amendments introduced by their Lordships on the Ormsby Inclosure Bill. Mr. Hume, who conducted the Conference on the part of the Com mons, informed the House that the other House of Par liament insisted on the amendments which they had adopted. • SUNDERLAND ELECTION The SPEAKER informed the House that he had re ceived a notice from- the agent on behalf of the peti tioners against the return for Sunderland, that it was not their intention to proceed with the petition. DROPPED ORDERS. The dropped Notices of Motion and Orders of the Day were re- appointed. NOTICES OF MOTION. Mr. G. KNIGHT gave notice of his intention to move for . certain.ukases issued by - Russia relative to Poland. Mr. HODGSON HINDE gave notice that he s h ou ld, on Monday, p resent a petition from the shipowners of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, praying for the appointment of a Committee .to inquire into the operation of the recipro city system. . Afr. O'CONNELL gave.notice that when the second reading of the Newfoundland Bill should be moved, he should move as an amendment that the second reading be postponed until the colony should have had time to consider the . The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman also la Learned that, on Mon day, he shOuld move for the Appointment of a Se lect Committee to inquire juto the, corrupt compromise which had taken place to prevent the investigation of the gross bribery, personation, and intimidation which had been practised at the last Belfast - Electi on Commit tee. He would now mov e that the issue of the new writ for Belfast be suspended to Monday next.—Agreed to. THE BISHOP OF QUEBEC. Mr. W. O. STANLEY said that he understood that when a brother officer of his died in Canada during the course of last year, the officers of his regiment had re quested permission to erect a tablet to his memory, in the Cathedral of Quebec, which permission had been refused by the Bishop. He wished to ask the Noble' Lord, the Secretary for the Colonies, if he had heard of any refusal on the part of the Bishop of Quebec to permit the erection of a tablet to the memory of an officer of the 2d Regiment of Foot Guards, in the Cathedral Church of Quebec, and if he had seen copies of any cor respondence between the Bishop of Quebec and the officer commanding the troops in Canada on the subject. Lord STANLEY said the only information he had rzecived on the subject was from common report upon what had passed elsewhere on the subject ; and with re gard to the correspondence, he was not swam of its ex istence until that Hon. Gentleman had informed him of it. • Mr. W. 0. STANLEY would on Monday repeat the question to the Secretary at War, as he was aware there was a correspondence on the subject at the Horse Guards. DECIMAL CURRENCY. Dr. BOWRING gave notice that :zs soon as the state of the public business would permit, he should move the tTpointment of a Committee to consider the question of the currency, with a view to the adoption of the decimal standard.—*(Roars orlaughter.) bi 11E6. W. P. N. STEWART gave notice that in the Com •• z DISTRICTS. r mittee on- the Customs - Bill he should move a reduction of the timber duties. - POOR-LAW CONTINUANCE BILL., Mr. STUART WORTLEY wished to put a question to the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department, connected with one of the provisions of the measure he had proposed, for making some altera tion in the Poor-law Amendment Act, on which he had reason to believe that great misapprehension prevailed in different parts of the country. In the original Poor-law Amendment Act, by the Interpretation Act, 'a general order was defined to be one that the .Poor-law Commis sioners were empowered to issue to more than one Union at a time, and that any order of t4e kind should come under the inspection of the Secretary of State for the Home Department and be reported to Parliament. In a clause in the new Bill, enacting certain alterations in the law, the power of the Commissioners with respect to issuing such orders was restricted. He had reason to believe that this clause had produced an impression, that by it these general orders would be made universally appli cable, and that they would take effect where they did not now take effect under the existing law. It was therefore desirable that the Right Hon. Baronet should slate distinctly the real intention of this provision of the Bill. Sir J. GRAHAM explained that the only alteration he proposed was, a limitation of the power of the Commis sioners, who could at present, by a special order, directed only to one union, set aside, or rescind the general order.' The restriction of their p ower was , that they should not be able to rescind those general orders by a special order, unless with the consent of the Secretary of State. Speaking in general terms, all the regulations which were generally applicable to a large number of unions with respect to the administration of relief and gene ral conduct of the poor, were now included in the general orders. There would be found to be six or seven general orders which contained all the material machinery of arrangements applicable to all unions. Mr. S. WORTLEY said if he understood, it was in tended then to extend the power given to general orders. Sir J. GRAHAM said, on the contrary, so far from extending, it limited the power given to general orders. I)IS PRESS IN BURNLEY. Mr. COBDEN'ivished to ask the Right Hon. Gentle man opposite whether the Government had received in telligence of the distress • and consequent disturbances at Burnley. lie wished also to know whether any money, and what amount, had been sent to the assistance of the people there. Sir J. GRAHAM stated, with great pain, that the Government had received information of a very serious disturbance created by the hand-loom wearers in the neighbourhood of Burnley, and he was sorry to say dint' that report had not been exaggerated. 'Under these circumstances the Government thought it right to re commend the pvr-la* Commissioners to turn their attention' to tiiht district, with a view to the admi nistration of relief : from the public funds, however, no money.had been issued, but froth charitable funds some assistance had been supplied.. MANCHESTER. . Mr. FERRAND said, he understood that the Man chester Anti-Corn-law League had circulated a placard of a most inflammatory nature in the midst of manu facturing districts; where the operatives were in great distress ; they had employed the Working men at a salary of Is. 6d. a day, to carry these placards—accusing the Prime Minister of murder !—about the neighbour hood. The Hon. Member then exhibited the placard in question : it was about four feet long, and two feet wide, printed in large, and headed, in enormous letters, " Murder." with three notes of admiration after it. [The following ii a copy : "MURDER! MURDER! !! ENGLISHMEN " Read, if you can, from beginning to end, the following sickening statement made at a public meeting, lately held at the town of Stirling, North Britain : " The Rev. Mr. Beith said he had heard an anecdote, which he knew to be true, and which conveyed an idea of a de gree of misery and destitution, such as, he believed, was most unexampled in Scotland. In a town, not far from Stirling, a young man, of interesting appearance, was observed one Morn ing to pass a huckster's shop, at the door of which a measure with some potatoes in it was placed. After pas.ing the shop a little way, he returned and took one of the potatoes and then went away. The person in the shop allowed him to go with out taking any notice of the circumstance.:. On the day after the young man returned and did the same thing. On the third day he returned once more and took another potatoe. On the fourth day he returned and took four or five potatoes, put them in his pocket, and and went hurriedly off. This day, however, the shopkeeper had a police officer in waiting, along with whom he followed the young man till he entered his house. They went into the house immediately after him, and there he found an aged_ mother and tw o s i s t ers d epen d ent upon him for support. There was a pot upon the tire, if that could be called a fire which was only a few embers. On the shop keeper asking the Mother of the young man if she knew where her son had got the potatoes which he had brought in to her, she replied, No; I was afraid to ask.' He then went to the pot and took off the lid, and on looking in, he found a portion of a • DEAD DOG, which the poor fellow was boiling to eat along with the po tatoes ! !!' " This is the testimony of a Christian minister. This, too, is in Britain ! in educated Scotland, the land of industry and sobriety ; a land where religion is established by law ! Nor is this a solitary case, thousands are perishing around us, in all parts of the kingdom, the victims of class legislation, of famine creating laws! Yet still the curie of monopoly hangs over you and around you ; still the accursed Corn-laws disfigure the statue-book, and more surely, if more slowly, than pestilence and the sword, are destroying you and your children. "ENGLISHMEN ! SCOTCHMEN ! IRISHMEN Howlong will you submit to this crying iniquity ? How l ong will you be particip a t ors i n thi s nat i ona l sin "? " Read once more the above harrowing statement ; look again around you, and then say whether the time is not come that von should peaceably, but universally band yourselves to gethi'r, and, placing yourselves within the sanctuary of the law, demand—in the name of Heaven, whose beneficence is insulted, in the name of justice, whose requirements have been outraged by the sordid avarice of our legislators—the immediate and en tire removal of all the . statutes which destroy our commerce, fetter our industry, and wickedly limit the supply of food which a bountiful Providence has provided for all the children of men. "Read also the following extract of a letter from Philadel phia, as published in the farmers' 'paper, the Mark Lane Express : " ' The quantity of land devotel to agriculture is this year much increased, and ti..e general opinion is that flour will be from one dollar to two dollars per barrel lower than at present, before the end of the year. In such a case the exports to Europe will be enormous, especially as the tariff on corn and flour in England is about to be reduced, although not to a suf ficient extent, perhaps, to insure the fullest advantages of cheap bread to the people. Salt pork, in Ohio, has been produced to a greater extent thaw has been wanted, and at some places the price has been less than a penny ( English) per pi:Rind I Con ceive, then, the quantity that might be sent to England, if the duty should be low. Beef, too is lower than I ever rememb er it ; wholesale at 2icl. ( Engli s h) per lb. ; and sometimes, salted, at 2id. in large quantities . Even in Philadelphia, fine sa l te d beef sells retail In the market at 3d. and 3d. ; and by way of giving you the results of practical experience in this city, it will not be out of place to add, that, on Saturday last, my wife bought in the market, a loin of veal at 3d. per lb., and yester day, ribs of beef at 4d. • in both instanc es th e mea t was as ti ne as in England ; indeed, the cattle are all descended from im ported English stock.' " This abundance, for the want of which you are pining away and dying, is prevented from reaching you. Neither the new Corn-law nor the Tariff will bring you this plenty. Sir Robert Peel has acknowledged that you will not have food much cheaper; in other words, that you must still starve. You owe it to yourselves, to your families, and to yoer country, to tell him that you will not starve. It is in your power at once and for ever to free yourselves from the landlords' curse. Do it, and live I Refuse to do it, c.nd you must die; and die more the victims of your own slavish weakness than of the oppressors' power.") He wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronet whether he was prepared to take any steps to put down such pla. cards. Sir JAMES GRAHAM said, that in answer t o th e . , n question of' the Hon. Gentleman e begged to state that he had seen the placard which had been drawn up with great violence, and circulated about Manchester. It was anonymous, and there was only the name of the printer attached to it. No steps were intended to be be taken by the Government, although the language used was inflammatory, yet he had great pleasure in stating to the House that although such great distress existed in the. manufacturing districts, on the whole the great body of the people had conducted themselves with exemplary patience, and no breach of the law had taken place.. He should *eater. take no steps on the part of the Government. Mr. HUME—I beg to ask the Hon. GeatltsAt* isiltposite upon what authority he charges- the Asti Coia-law League with circulating that placard ? • Mr. FE eHAND—A Melly respectuble gentleman in Man. chester— ( Cries of " Name, name ").--stho informed me that the Anti Corn-law League paid the mot wages who carried those placards about Manchester.—( Cries of " Name, name.") Mr. HUME—I beg to state that I received's copy of that placard five days ago, from a Member of "ths Anti-Corn.law League expres,ing his great regret that it had been published.--; (Loud cheers.) I think it is unjust in the Hon. Member, having made the charge, not to nametheindividual.—(Cheers.) BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS. Lord J. RUSSELL said there was a motion on the paper, of which he had given notice, for the introduction of a Bill for the better discovery of bribery at elections, he begged to state that he should be unable to bring the motion forward unless late in the evening. He had consulted persons of professional emi nence on both sides of the House with respect to this Bill, and he was not prepared to bring the Bill on then, but he hoped to be ready on Monday. He hoped the Right Hon. Baronet would not object to the proposition, if he (Lord J. Russell) asked for leave to bring in the Bill at. five o'clock on Monday. It would not lead to discussion., and he hoped he should not take'more than a quarter of an hour. That being the case, he hoped the Right Hon. Baronet would accede to the proposition. Sir R. PEEL said, he was prepared to make a special excep tion, so far as he was concerned, in favour of this Bill. He trusted it would not lead to any debate, as he need not say how anxious he was to proceed with the tariff. But, at the same time, he should offer no difficulty to the Bill being brought in at five o'clock on 'Monday. He had now exhausted his con cessions, and after the Noble Lord and h:s Noble Friend had disposed of their motions, he hoped no other Member would ask him for a repetition of the favour. _ Sir R. PEEL moved that the House, at its rising, should adjourn till Monday next. The question having put, Mr. HUME said, that as the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Ferrand) had made a charge against the Anti-Corn-law League in Manchester, he hoped the Hon. Member would'think it but fair to name the party tom whom he had his information. Mr. FERRAND said that he did not think he should be justified—( Hear, hear)—in mentioning the name of the party in that House. But he mould ask the Hon. Member a ques• tion in reply to the one which he had put. He would ask him whether the gentleman who had corresponded with him had denied that the Anti-Corn-law League were parties to the is suing of the placard? Arr. HUME said that his correspondent had stated that the placard had been circulated, and that, he regretted extremely that it was so. Rot that was no at swer to his (Mr. Hume's) question. The Hon. Member had,said that an individual had informed him that a respectable body was concerned in the transaction ; and if the Hon. Member did not name the author of the statement, all that they cou'd do was to attribute it to the Hon. Member himself.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. FERRAND again attempted to addrgss the House, but was interrupted by The SPEAKER who put the question of the adjournment of the Hou,e'till Monday. The mot i,,n wfls tiker a,•~e , ., , • • WAYS AND MEANS—SUGAR DUTIES. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE. - -..— - • -- - QUER the House Laving. resolved itself into W 3 ais r. an p d A l i le K als ß . p il r l e r s . ee G te e d ee a te j e ,et in iti t e h e e , Ch fre a reir;ulC7:::: Anti-Corn-Law ,Association, praying for a further ei. eucti ce in the Sugar Duties. Chamber of Commerce at Manchester, to the same _., Mr. MARK PHILIPS presented a' petition e f ff ee elc ul thil ER et ee be .... rw° to The chl. e C p H ee A CHANCELLOR E H L e L es o e ß te of m t a h k e e E thatX e Il pr E ev Q l. U . 'eon for the-6.410 of the t ear , w hi c h was d er i ve d f rom th e Sugar DetieL sires these Membe rs o f th e H ouse w h o h a d th e advantage 4 i 4,tt he tee financial statements o f hi s Right Hon. Fri:e , a eees of commencement of the Session, it could not b lee ee t doubt as to the course he was about to re" , : tot e to the House. It was his intention . t" ; toe d that the present Sugar Duties should he wo o if if for another year. It would have been gratifying t . , bo s be could, consistently with the finances of .the cOUntill f hi adopted another, course. He should have been _hapPr eem could have recommended to the House to have admitted lec not the produce of fore ign countries and the colonies, nt% m e rate of duty. arid-thereby have given an advantage to t he sumer and the foreign trade. The same circumstances :iat bad induced him last year to resist the propose t ion of the i t i Vetii Hon. Gentleman the Member for Portsmouth, wo uld . % of $ him from now submitting to the House any propositi ° _ , , ,I, simi'ar nature. His own opinion was, that whenever , a i f f y to ation should be made in the sugar duties it must-7 1 : n sa e to be in conformity with the general interests, be made, f e the a manner as to mate a great reduction- is the anetune roar etl general duty payable on the importation of sugar, reta_ i so e the same time a discriminating duty in favour of theces It was impossible to deal with this question, unless the I li : nt or prepared to make a great sacrifice of revenue, and tei ee efte abandonment of many of the reductions on articles of consr bi ' l , 0 which had been recently p ro p ose d it wou ld b e imeo , %, re make so large a sacrifice o f revenue as wou ld b e necce`e‘ be d the reduction of the sugar du' ies. Many persons might' opinion that it would be a d v i sa bl e t o re d uce the ite'tfres colonial sugar, but a lth oug h h e b e li eve d t h at the seer , of the colonies would be fully adequate to meet the ec° 3 o l ; os ie the empire, y i t until h e s h ou ld b e sat i s fi e d t h a t cure „ to t could send us a larg e sur pl us supp l y , h e cou ld no t coop'_": of ' large . reduction of th e d u ty on co l on i a l sugar, because D' e ,,,e apprehensive that a l arge sacr ifi ce o f revenue might Oe . ; t e without any b e nefit w h atever to t h e consumer, as unless po ll were a large surplus supply, the benefit of any reduction chit go into the pockets of th e p ro d ucer a l one . He th7T e go would be equally objectionable to reduce the duty 0 ° ~:d sr sugar. On that subject he adhered to the opinion b lo if/ pressed last year that great moral and political questionvee' t ier ed up with that proposal w hi c h requ i re d t h e gravest coneidefforsse He could not con sen t t o a re d uct i on of t h e duty elLirit) sugar, while they had n o concess i on f rom ether cotlntr;,beir regard to slavery. He could not consent to give uP ' osi strurnent for achieving that for which they had "o r bit laboured, and whi c h h e b e li eve d ,they were nearer 0 s eel how - than when he last addressed them. The Tiritisit' D ori was to one to whi c h it was most d es i ra b le for slave '' cottotries to obtain admis s i on , an d w i t hi n a recent pert ' o f tle become eet more an object. with them, in consequence 05 0 1 i increased rate of duty put on f ore ig n sugar b y t h e •coe°"'lV Europe, France, Russia, and the German L ea gue d 0 0 slate-holding communities, were therefore more preear e e ed heretofore, to make sacrifices.to obtain admission to the pie market. Ile thought it Would be gratifying to eh ° , were interested in the suppression of the slave trade. i de iet those foreign pos sess i ons i rom w hi c h t h ey expecte d t o ,l their supplies of sugar , th ere was a di spos i t i on mar d ee late, and it was particularly apparent in Cuba, against the tinuance of the slave-trade. It was-:impossible to readtb°lol documents and papers issuing from the press, witheue' - e is to this conclusion. In those colonies, where formerly o , ° le , son could express a n o pi n i on a d verse to t h e slave traltil advantage that w ou ld resu l t f rom i ts ext i nct i on was t:0;K discussed ; and one of the arguments they used against I,l •` f or , was that it would b r i ng l arge tracts o f country i nto culli°.eit from which sugar would be produced, so as to comeet e ge?, the old sugar-growing countries. He net wish to detain the a s with document s . Th ere was one, h owever, w i th w hi c h lie ro a r . % ' trouble them. In a l e tt er f rom t h e G overnor of Cuba. t o le4l, to the Home Government, he stated that a spirit ? i Po , to the slave trade h a d r:sen up t h ere, so pract i cal in 113(4 racter, as to induce man y p l anters to see k f or free l a boure o i s 0 , their estates, instead of making use of slaves ; and thet._a lel discussions on the subject had arisen on the pat t of peT -I eels, in the capital city o f th e i s l an d. H e (the. Chance' old the Exchequer) found, by the latest information, th,e id3,t fY, spirit • was progres s i ve ly go i ng on i n t h e colony: Y, latest despatches, h e f oun d th at t h e G overnor had pee /;-ale the fraudulent introduction of slaves into the colony. He A O these facts as confirmato r y o f t h e v i ews w hi c h .he had toefjee this subject, on a forner occasion. . They ought not to a t 01 the slave-grown produc e o f t h at country to the benefit °Ol. British market, for, by so d o i ng, they gave a motive to 'g, • e'• rested parties to oppose the grow i ng sp i r i t of liberreitpn c l It was for these reassess, therefore, th a t h e -could not 1 0 4 mend to the House, during the present year, to rela - th e ~o, upon the sugar of foreign possessions.. He had already ''a t o the reasons why he thought it inexpedient, without a rolax 3 oo o of those duties, to make any reduction in the_ duty on Ol ia er suear. The only alt erna ti ve w hi c h was open to him, th'rettlf was to recommend to the House to continue the present f ie for another year. In making this proposal, he had the see faction to feel that he was not taking a step which te7oo. injurious to the con'umers of sugar in this country. His e lf Hun. Friend stated, on a former occasion, that from e f ett account he could then obtain of the prospects of the pred,_, ° 'oo of sugar in our possessirns , he had reason to believes Ms., production would, during the current year, be ample' et a i t lif to afford a more than large supply for all -wiz 9f thiloe d t a eli —( Hear.) 'I o those statements, which his Hon. Eriend w e el he, from subsequent inf ormat i on , m i g h t add his conf irreat'f'ee and he believed fro m a ll th e accounts h e h ad rece i ved, 0 10 from India on the due hand, where the growth of sugar o il • increased, or whether from the Mauritius, where the a leo production had be en f or some ti m e past increasing, and t et te they had the mean s o f l a b our not possessed by those hitlae/ slave states ; or whether they looked to the West Indies , ' l e , 4 . they had had a fortunate season, and where the drough t former years had, been superseded by the most genial we at f ed he believed, taking those three sources of supply, would have 240,000 tons of sugar for the supply of t,i' e L e e The quantity consumed during the last year was 200t€country which was the largest consumption ever known in this l They had before them the prospect of an abundant s "i'P ri ' s e Now, with respect also to the twice. Could it be ma e int 'ili t et, that, at the present moment, the price was, too .high ", 0. knew, in the course of laet year, that the priCe was ,the 5 61 )11, it was now. It was 36,- in 1841; and it was 34 how. „h t House would form an erroneous view of the actual price, il e t.ie e i took it from the average of this year, as compared wite lfa t average of last year. With respect to the average el st i i; e o year, it was known that there was in the market, at the , large proportion of most inferior sugar. The 365., then, o' li ' year must be considered as much higher than 365. now, I• that f, the sugar in the market was of a very superior. 11 4 '1,0 1 At that price, they found that the rate of consumption Oft 1 equal to any antecedent year, with an almost equalltO r ft ;' prdspect of supply at, the present moment, to sleeseeni t ' fbo e stated. There was no reasonable ground. to apprehend o r the price would be such as to interfere with the constune.. e t or prevent the enjoyment of that article by the inferior,olelieft of society. It mu s t - b e gra tif y i ng to every one to knetv' ir they were able toprovide amply for the wants of the convi o e pity, and that they could provide for an extension of the i ,. t ee sumption, without inf r i ng i ng th e p ri nc iPl e w hi c h t o e el the had for so many years contended, the suppression ei t ad ~ slavetrade and slavery. It was on these grounds i.J e that he trusted the House would concur in the resolution t ell f which he should Conclude. He was quite aware that en t i c e occasion he was to be met by two distinct opposing r‘ r d Of pne from the Hon. Gentleman the Member for Batbpaa.. bo r 4 other from the Ri g ht H on . Gentlemau opposite (Mr. Li' es te there).. It was not his intention to go into the arge ° ,,,tti likely to be used by those Hon. Gentleman. He had P o ' re the reason which appeared to him to render it desirable 0 1 at . . tinue the duties as they were at present. He did not f ee ce et l °. they were in a situation to cause any-further risk to the r e ' old 5 in the worse of the present year. He did not think - tha t . 0 ~1 oe - were justified in th row i ng away t h e c h ance of cOnceas,befg. the subject 'of slavery by fo re i gn cou n t r i es . Under al'' oo l 4 4 cireqmstances, he could not thi n k b u t th a t th e Howe.' pre : consider th a f th e sugar-duties should be continued for to e o sief ' sent year. He - sheuld, therefore, move that the situ be continued.—( Cheers.) , WATERFORD ELECTION COMMITTg.E. The House resumed for the purpose of I d s Lord GRANVILLE esOMERSET moving, .that 0 . aOP r Somerton, who was now in the custody of the ..7erge, a .,.., ,, ~ Arms, should be discharged on payment of his fee '• i Agreed to. . P i • The followi ng M em b ers were sworn i n to •try the ,r, against the late ret urn o f M em b ers f or t h e Ci ty of Witli- a eiti e —Mr. Jervis, C a pt a i n Boldero, Mr. Dundee, Cart. A gilt:. Mr. J. H. Vivian, Viscount &Merton, Iliad. biz - Chairman. WAYS AND AiIIa44IIIIIIGAIR DUTIES' ,OW The • House again r esolved MU ieto a eseimittees( g f and Means. - , The motiemef the CHANCILLOkg\ tho EXClif Mg- ' relative to the S'ltgar Duties haviegbeiw.put,. - tie Mr. ROEBUCK said, that by t he motion he basl t"oe under the consideration of the Committesi he enliPOptf . . tc: carry cut the principle that the people a thireotutieY l ost. - ; 1 boable tei getevery important commodity i n th e cheapest °i le a it d That was the general principle of poll which he belie. • 00.) t o was almost universally admitted tho--we should WO.' b 4 1 "- j' , should, in discussing that principle: as it related to the s ° ' inusediately under their notjee, feel it his d u ty t o gee l os i ... 1 some of the arguments acklitced by the Right Hen. G e,n : lit as reasons for deviating from ehat•ordinary rule , of po lite' 14 0 ' arguing the subject - he had various interests to corteki . ; 6 4- hfi -' had to confider the consumer in this co untry; hid to again to wilder our colonial interests; and then- h! tie for consider a sort of exotic argument, pressed into the ro t . 0 , . the - Special purpose of the iv °merit, namely, the qual ti _f o r t! '44 -slavery. in considering these three classes he would ref oss " A them in the order he had stated. No person would Mu:. the , sugar was one of the most important articles, and on° (.?.,` Of • ' greatest necessaries of life in the present state of society Tool , country ; and if lie wanted a proof of this, he might stet; t e above four millions of hundreds weight were consumel'ole . year 1841 by the people, The cost of' that, .exclusive 0 7 was something like between seven and eight, millionh 1701 ' ' addition -to that there was levied on it four millons. 7.1 Or' when they considered the enormous wealth and Call; 0 0 ' pended on this' article, he 'could not take it . at l e t oe t° , • ten millions. There needed, therefore, nothing there e lle show that sugar was not only an article of n tt oo t n 1 , importance but one of primary necessity. He we ra peil' ef ' • enter into that wide question, but, looking at it in *at o ll , ' 7., i ~ of view, it was an article that tended to improve the ;elle! 0 ,- the people,'as it induced habits of sobriety, and was a Ano t fo l t ; t e0!„, opposed to the consumption of spirits. It was also o f 7, to Il i k 9 e , drit portance in another point of view. He was anxi?' fa fea st # the moral desires of the people,and do all that he could sod fisic! .; ; M s/ them happy. Looking at the subject in a nictrel_ t 00 14 Tc . t I l.° . point of vieweit was one of the most important th e e , lot tese; , , , _„2 brought before the . House. . Such being the ea' nee of ; 1 , 1 .% i .4 look at the losses sustained by the people in consequ e a es aa re tt l ifa is present rate of duties. It appeared fro n bat in Ur g e." moved for by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, t iirt ,, 0 4 01 0 e 4 s i the average price of colonial sugar was 49s- Pe r e c cos, o gi,p,, , the average price of foreign sugar from Brazil ene', o jyrk„) 21s. per cwt. Now, he would not take the loss e te . .n . l i_ee .. (e , - , , people at 28s. a cwt., he would only reckon it e i _l'Aeis Ine Now, it was 'clear, taking it at only 20s. a cwt., tne„01100' b . pie of England had, in the year 1841, paid fuer 1 " of °, a money more than they need have paid, for the P u rjt ' ll6 taining the same quantity of sugar.--( Hear, hear./ mere matter of figures. This sugar had cost 49 5 . - e - No, p0, 4 ' 5 1, t . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUE R-- 4 e -. 13 1, Mr. ROEBUCK—The Hon. Gentleman said s eei nee ee . so; it- made no difference to his (Mr. Roebuck'`) be at the for he did nut take the loss at 255., which it ec°?_ it at , se d i Right Hon. Gentleman's showing—he only toot o f Engi ot , ,e fe 'et and, taking it, at 205., he repeated that the reel 3 . ! - Id hay° he 1 4 , paid four millions of money more than they e°" som e el l le 1 , .7,,; 01 1 tamed it for elsewhere• He should wish to near fit the 'ettijee el a rd nation •of this—be should like to know what belle Go t ( c i tify , - it ~ 'f (5: England derived from that expenditure ? 110 . 1 :: e the cee so . opposite might say, that if they were to l?' Cu ba -"eihat , they would raise the price of Brazilian an fi t bij e o - The only effect of that. would be to lessen that ' 1 " f. FM ' 5^ peep} ° 141 s amount ; but take it at one half. Say the tie°. b , ccoe or . paid only one half morn than they ought to PaYl ee seeler oas e the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of ; t he t he% tit -, , • lie would ask the whole Government, he week; im pose v . ; l ePete • • he would ask all in authority, why they shoal" ,b e were* ee see ei , %' Beer peep:e. ef tie •.• ee ei:: -., ----Lees we, see l'e; r per Oa . t „ 4 °. Eeitk fit consumers of sugat—a tax of two millions_ bo r.) What advantage was derived from it ?--(11"" I a !kit ies %Et 'l,k4 11 .11 i 4:(