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Tbirb Xbitiort SUN-OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. ROMAN CATHOLIC GRIEVANCES. The HoN. MEMBER also pfesented a petition from the Roman Catholics of Leicester, complaining of, and praying to be relieved from, the peculiar bur dens under which Roman Catholics laboured 'n this country, more especially in the army arid navy, prisons, and workhouses. NOTICES OF MOTION. General JOHNSON gave notice that he should, on Friday, move a clause to be inserted in the New Poor-law Bill, to do away with the authority of the Poor-law Commissioners, after the Union had been established three years. SPIRIT of the. PUBLIC JOURNALS. FROX THE EVENING PAPERS OF THIS DAT. GLOBE.—Sir R. Peel has told us on a recent occasion, that he did not propose to himself the glory of great and magnificent projects. On the conclusion of the Committee-labours on the tariff last night, we must confess him to be a great minister in little things. The great bulk of the talk last night was on the seemingly little matter of small coal. Now we ac knowledge at once, with Lord John Russell, that foreign countries have no right in the world to complain of us, if we choose to levy an ex port-duty, for the sake of revenue, on an ar ticle on which they levy import duty of three or four times the amount. They have no right of complaint most certainly : and France has least right of all. At the very moment she is raising the duties on our linens and threads, for the purpose of creating a rival manufacture by force of protection against ours, she would have no right to complain, if we chose to resort to measures of retaliation. But this is no measure of retaliation. It is a new tax on 41'u. own commerce, for the purpose of aiding our own revenue. If the commerce can bear the tax, who shall say we have not as much right to revenue from Our coal shipped. as France has to revenue from our coal landed ? It is not a question of international equity, but of political expe diency, and commercial policy. And here we confess -we cannot agree with Lord John Russell in sanctioning the measure. We think it one of mis taken internal policy, and bad external example. Surely it is no less our national interest, than a sound deduction from our free trade principles, to show that we ourselves set the highest possible value on that unrestricted commerce, the value of which we now preach to others. Here was a striking illustra tion of its value ready made to our hands. Here was a trade which, merely by virtue of having been let alone for a few years, has started into very consider able consequence to our commerce and navigation. STANDARD.—The Witnesses Indemnity Bill was, last night, read a second and third time, and passed, in the House of Lords, the standing orders being suspended to allow of its more rapid consumma tion. Lord Brougham, who took charge ( of the Bill, inade a long speech, the chief purpose of which seemed to be to reproach the House of Commons with manifesting an inclination to the protection of bribery, in rejecting a Bill upon the same subject, proposed by his Lordship, adopted in the House of Lords, and sent down to the other House of Parliament : to any other end the long speech of the Noble Lord was useless, for no Peer present hinted an objection to the Bill of last night. We have already freely given our opinion of these indemnity bills. We think that they do neither good nor harm. We do not believe that a willing witness was ever re strained from giving testimony by .the fear of com promising himself, and happily in this free country no process exists (since the abolition of torture) by • which a man, firmly resolved to withhold testimony injurious or disgraceful to himself, can be com pelled to violate his resolution. An indemnity act is thus useful only to the base and malignant, who want a pretext for evading the obligations of honour. And what is the worth of the testimony of such persons ? It is a remarkable proof of the utter 'uselessness of these Acts, that in all our books of !no tlern law reports, not one case can be found in which a party had been sued or prosecuted upon evidence giN en by himself, as must have at least some times happened if witnesses were really in any danger ; for it is impossible that any amount of caution could have protected the millions of witnesses examined in our Courts of Justice during the last two centuries, wore the peril of committing one's -self so great as is pre tendon when Bills of indemnity are asked for. How ever, the Bill has now passed the two Houses of Par liament, and the public will soon be able to judge of its value. COURIER.—Our opinion upon the policy and ex pediency of the tax first proposed to be levied on the exportation of British coal, that is a tax of 4s. per ton, remains unaltered by anything we have either read or heard upon the question. We should not have been averse indeed, but the contrary, to the imposition of a fair discriminating duty in addition on coal exported in foreign shipping, such as was last evening agreed to, but we are still prepared to :contend that the original duty of 4s. per ton proposed was a proper, politic, and moderate use of the natural advantages of which this country may be said to possess a virtual monopoly, and should, there • Sore, exercise to national profit. It is clear, how - ever, that the coal owners were too strong for the government, for one and all, of whatever party, com bined against the tax proposed, and some against any tax at all. The Conservative members in the coal proprietary interest, and themselves proprietors also, such as MT. Bell, Mr. Liddell, and Mr. H. Hinde, ' did indeed exhibit a laudable abnegation of self • by' Consenting to be taxed in one half of the ministerial proposition ; but the disinterested and patriotic Lord Howick, Mr. Lambton, and Ilutt (of Gibside) would not be taxed at all with their own consent. In support of their special claims to exemption the usual proportion of free-trade slang was evolved, although it would be difficult to show how the principle, if the absurdity can be so denomi nated, of buying in the cheapest and selling in the dearest market, can be brought to bear upon the coal question ; for by an extraordinary perversity oric tion the English people, in the matter of coal pro duced in their own country, are compelled to buy in the dearest market, whilst foreigners, by the con trivances of the coal-owners themselves, have the ex clusive monopoly of the cheapest market. CHURCH OF SCOTLAND. Sir A. L. HAY gave notice that on Friday next, previous to going into Committee of Supply, whatever might take place with regard to the Bill of the Hon. Member for Argyleshire on the subject of the Church of Scotland, that night to call the attention of the House to the subject. Mr. LITTON moved that Mr. Thomas Martin be added to the Committee on the Fisheries (Ireland) Bill. _ _ Mr. F. MAULE said he understood that some technical objecticn to the mode of proceeding with the Bill of his Hon. Friend the Member for Argyle shire that evening. Those technical objections must, according to the forms of the House, prevent the further progress of the Bill. In consequence of those objections he begged to give notice that on Tuesday, the sth of July, he should move an address to her Majesty on this most important subject, and if notice were given by the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of her Majesty's Government, to take Orders of the Day before notices of motion on Tuesdays, he should put it to the Right Hon. Gentleman whether, for such an important motion, he would not give him (Mr. F. Maule) precedence on Tuesday, and in the event of his declining to do so, he would bring for ward his motion as an amendment upon the motion for going into Committee of Supply.—(Sir R. Peel here entered the House.) Seeing the Right Hon. Baronet then in his place, he (Mr. F. Maule) thought it right again to state what he had just men tioned to the House, and he would put that statement in the form of a question. It had been stated that there were technical objections to proceeding that day with the Bill of the Hon. Mem ber for Angyleshire, and he believed it to be in the power of the Right Hon. Baronet to remove those objections, by giving the consent of the Crown, as it was a question of Cr6wn patronage. He wished to ask the Right Hon. Bart. whether he meant to avail himself of those objections, or whether he would per mit the question to be gone into. Sir R. PEEL (who spoke with his back to the gallery), could assure the Right Hon. Gentleman that he had not heard of those objections till:an hour before. But taking a precedent which occurred in 1833, those objections were entitled to great weight. He could not give a construction or consent on the subject; the Right Hon. Gentleman must, therefore, seek some other mode of bringing in the question. The SPEAKER had thought it his duty to call the attention of the Hon. Gentleman who had intro duced the Bill to the objection, as soon as he had be come aware of it. The Bill certainly did interfere with the patronage of the Crown, and should not have been introduced without the consent of the Crown. Under these circumstances, he thought the House of Commons could not permit the measure to progress further. Mr. FOX MAULE had certainly no right to object to the course which the Right Hon. Baronet was taking. The Right Hon. Baronet was certainly justified in refusing to give the consent of the Crown to a measure of this sort, merely for the purpose of discussion, without any bona fide intention of support ing the proposition. Under these circumstances he would give notice that on Tuesday, the sth Jluy, he should move for an address to her Majesty on a subject so important to the people of Scotland. Some time since the House had agreed to give to her Majesty's Go vernment that day which had originally been set apart for motions, but he trusted that, considering the im portance of the subject, the Right Hon. Baronet would have no objection to give him (Mr. Fox Maule) pre cedence on that day.—(Sir R. Peel intimated his dis sent.) Understanding that the Right Hon. Baronet expressed his unwillingness to accede to his (Mr. Fox Maule's) proposition. He (Mr. Fox Manic) would give further notice that, in case of his not being able to bring forward his motion on Tuesday, July 5, he would move it as an amendment on the first motion for going into Committee of Supply, which should be brought forward after Tuesday, July 5. Sir R. PEEL felt that he should be placing himself in an invidious position if he consented to the propo sition of the Right Hon. Gentleman, because other gentlemen might snake similar requests. In a matter respecting the privileges of the House, such as the Bill of the Noble Lord for punishing bribery, and for the trial of controverted elections, he would certainly give precedence ; but he feared that if he gave pre cedence to the Right Hon. Gentleman he should have to give way in other instances. Mr. MACAULAY thought that considering the importance of this question to the people of Scotland, and flirt many gentlemen had posted up from Scot land for the purpose of being - present at this discus sion, who would now have to post down again —(A langl)—he thought the Right Hon. Baronet might, with propriety, have relaxed his rule. After a few words from Mr. RUTHERFORD, which were inaudible in the gallery, Sir R. PEEL said, that if the Right Hon. Gentle man let the motion stand for Tuesday, the sth of July, they would have time for consideration. There were the Poor-law Bill, and other Bills of importance, which required an early consideration, and which, if put off, would be very inconvenient to other parties. Mr. F. MAULE had no objection that Tuesday, the sth of July, should be fixed. Mr. CAMPBELL said that he could not complain of the course taken by the Right Hon. Baronet; at the same time he deeply regretted it. He hoped, however, that he would have an opportunity of bring ing the Bill before Parliament, previous to the close of the session, and have it fully discussed.—(Hear.) THE BOUNDARY QUESTION. The Queen Dowager left the Southampton station this morning, by a special train, accompanied by her brother, the Reigning Duke of Saxe Meiningen, and a numerous suite, for Southampton, when her Ma jesty will embar k on board the Black Eagle, and after an excursion round the Isle of Wight, will sleep at. Ryde. 'The Queen received this afternoon, at Buckingham Palace, Addresses, on the Throne in State, from the Corporation of the City of London and from the Uni versities of Oxfard and Cambridge. The Lord Mayor and a numerous Dputation of Alderman and Com mon Councilmen preseilted the City Address the Duke of Wellington , an d a Deputation, presented the Oxford Address ; and the Duke of Northumberland, as Chancellor of the University, that from Cambridge, congratulating the Queen on her recent providential escape. COAL MARKE Ships arrived since •. d. P. CI. Analel a l5 0 Walls End Russell's Helton :t 3 Nelson's West Hartley IS . 6 Walls End Stewart's 2B 6 New 'rangeld Moor l3 6 Walls End Whitwell .... ..... 20 18 6 Old Tanfiel.! 5 anfield Moor lB s, Walls End Caradoe `2o 6 West Wylam H 6 Walls End Heugh Hall .... 19 9 W y lam Walls Et .d Bewicke and Cr 18 0 Walls End Brown's Deanery 17 0 Walls End Killingworth l6 11 Walls Et d B ow b 141 6 urn l5 6 Walls End Perki ns lb C Wale F.., d'l ce.. Wa Ils End Riddell's l6 Cowpcn Walls End Haswell. •." 9.0 :. - 4 Hart1ey........... ....... "18 9 Walls End Helton .....».....:0 6 Mr. DISRAELI wished to put a question to the Right Hon. Baronet, respecting the disputed boun dary with America. He had seen it reported that there was a virtual relinquishment ofthe territory in dispute, and that the State of Maine required compensation for the territory which was given up. He had also seen that her Majesty's Envoy entertained a propo sition of this kind, and it was generally supposed that it would be acceded to by the Commissioners of Maine. If such an arrangement was entered into the result would be that they would be in possession of a much inferior boundary. He wished to know whether there was any truth in this statement ; and also whether the Right Hon. Gentleman had instituted any inquiry into the reason why the solemn award of a friendly Power for the adjudication of the question had been set aside by her Majesty's Government ? Sir R. PEEL thought the question of the Hon. Member altogether premature.—(Hear, hear.) It would be most improper to give an answer in the present state of the negotiations, He held in his hand a despatch from Lord Ashburton, which stated that certain Commissioners had been appointed by the State of Maine, but he believed that Lord Ash burton had had no communication with them. The transaction rested altogether between the State of Maine and the General Government ofthe United States. Negotiations of the greatest importance were'diending, but he felt it to be wholly inconsistent with his duty to make anz statement respecting them to the House. Mr. D'ISRAELI begged to state that the Com missioners of Maine are, or would be, in commu nication with the British envoy. In reply to a question from Mr. H. VERNON, Sir X. GRAHAM said it was the intention of the Government to introduce the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill in the course of the present session. He could not feel any confidence that the Bill would be passed, but he would on an early day bring it under the con sideration of the House. Lord J. RUSSELL said as there was a rumour prevailing that it was the intention of the Govern ment merely to pass that part of the Poor-law Act which related to its continuance, he begged to ask the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether there was any truth in the statement. Sir J. GRAHAM said he was much obliged to the Noble Lord for asking the question. A similar re port had reached him ; and he had no hesitation in assuring the Noble Lord that it was the intention of the Government to use their utmost endeavours to pass the Bill as they introduced it, entire, subject only to such alterations in its details as might be made in the course of the discussion.—(Hear, hear.) SOUTHAMPTON ELECTION. C.--(THIS DAY.) last market day, 16 IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The LORD CgAscELLoit, after hearing with the Judges writs of error, took his seat on the Woolsack at half-past three o'clock. MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS. Air. GREENE, and other Members of the House of Commons, brought up the Sugar Duties Bill, the Treble Costs Bill, and several Private Bills, which were read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to-morfow. On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR, `ear v. Coward's Divorce Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. Their Lordships then adjourned to Ten o'Clock to morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly after Four o'clock. The SPEAKER announced that a subpmona had been served upon the Sergeant-at-Arms, for the attendance of certain officers of the House to give evidence on the trial of Howard v. Sir Wm. Gossett and others, and upon motion it was orderedallow that the Sergeant-at - Arms sh ould be permitted to Mr. Bellamy and other Officers of the House to attend and give evidence. The Sudbury Improvement Bill, the Stourbridge Road Bill, and the Liverpool P oor Bill, wer e severally read a third time, and passed. CAPE OF GOOD HOPE. Lard JOHN RUSSELL presented, pursua nt to notice, a petition from the inhabitants of the Cape of Good Hope, prayingfor a representative Government. 'rhe petitioners stated that the improvement of the colony had been considerably impeded for want of such a system ; and.thevy prayed that they might h a ve a Governor appointed by the Crown, an Executive Council appointed by the Crown, and a Legislative As,ernbly fairly elected by the people. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from 800 electors of Sudbury, against the Sudbury Dis franchisement Bill. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from Clerkenwell, praying for the o p en i ng o f Vauxhall, S'yuthwark, and Waterloo Bridges. On the motion of Mr. SCHOLEFIELD, the Lords' a mendments to the Great North of Engl an d Railway Bill were agreed to.. CHURCH-RATES. - . Mr. WYNN ELLIS p resented a petition f rom :some place in Essex against Church-rates. Mr. FLEMING said that the a two gentlemen whose tradicting the allegations of John f petitions he had presented on o wr e e r nn ev , e w n e in ee g, in co a n t - - tendance, and ready to appear a t t h e bar. But if a Select Committee were appein te d to inquire into the I would not move, as he g iven notich that they shauld be called in and examined Mr. 0. STANLEY said it would belin the recol lection of the House that he had mov ed for a Select Committee to inquire into the bribery and other cor rupt practices which took place at the last n elect ion. i. He withdrew tha t motion at the re q uest of the Right Hon. Baronet opp osite (Sir Robert P eel stated that the N oble Lord (John Russell) who was about to bring in a Bill on the general sub-, ject, which might, perhaps, contain provisions to reach this case. The Noble Lord had brought for ward that measure, and he (Mr. Stanley) was never theless still of opinion that further inquiry was neces sary into the transactions that took place at the last Southampton election. The very petitions which the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Fleming) had pre sented, confirmed him in that opinion. He would igubm i lit to the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) he might not devise• means by which an whew.: aht ql)tained. He (Mr. Stanley) effective inquiry - THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JUNE 15, 1842 ,might move for a Select .Committeb, mid the House might grant it ; but without an Indemnity Act it would be of no use. The Hon. Member for South ampton might again refuse to answer questions, and so the matter would be left as it was. The best thing that he could do was to renew his motion, and move for a Select Committee. Sir R. PEEL made some observations across the table. Mr. STANLEY said---Well. then, Sir, I shall move it at once, if the House Will allow me, that a Select Committee be appointed - to inquire into the cases of bribery and corruption which took place at the last election for the borough of Southampton. Mr. MACKINNON said, he had consented to postpone his motion for the issue of the writ till this day, and he had hoped that the Hon. Gentleman would have investigated the question ; but he had done nothing: He wished really to understand what was the intention of Hon. Gentlemen opposite. To move for a Select Committee seemed to him the greatest pos . , sible insult to the Chairman of the Southampton Com mittee, supposing - . .that that gentleman had done his duty. He would consent to postpone still further his notice for AsSuing the writ, if he had a distinct assurance friiin the Honour able Gentleman that he would inquire into the circumstances of the case, and have his Committee named, which was the day of the Member moving for it, and not of the House of Commons. Under these circumstances he would consent to postpone his motion for the issue of the writ till this day fortnight. Sir R. PEEL thou,ght it was a great advantage that where cases were taken up, they should be so by the Chairman, or some member of the Committee. It was at his (Sir Robert Peel's) request that the delay in the present instance had taken place. If there was blame to be attached to any one, on account of the delay, it rested with him (Sir R. Peel), at whose request the postponement took place, till the Noble . Lord would have an oppor tunity of being in the. House. He thought that in quiries at the bar were by ijt means satisfactory. He must observe, too, that they were too prone to part with their own powers in the conduct of those examinations. However, he thought that it must be obvious to Hon. Gentlemen that it was impossible to conduct the in quiry satisfactorily without, the" aid of the House of Lords. When the inquiry had been established he thought it would be quite time enough to ask for an Indemnity Bill. He hoped his Hon. Friend would suspend his motion to have the writ issued till this day fortnight. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE believed that this investiga tion could be conducted without any Bill of Indemnity. Sir ROBERT PEEL suggested that the best course would be, first, to move that the Re port of the Southampton Committee be laid on the table. Then with reference to the subject of the petjtion presented in the case, to move that a Select Committee be appointed to inquire into the allegations contained in that petition. Mr. W. 0. STANLEY said it was his intention, to• morrow, to move for a Select Committee to in quire into the bribery and treating at the last election for Southampton. Sir R. PEEL trusted that the Hon. Member for Leicester (Sir J. Easthope) would give the Hon. Member precedence to-morrow. Sir J. EASTHOPE assented, as we understood _ _ Lord J. RUSSELL trusted that such Members would be appointed, as would•be able to attend punc- tually. After a few observations from Mr. DARBY, the motion was withdrawn. PUBLIC HOUSES BILL. On the motion of Captain ROUS, the Public houses Bill was read a third time, and passed. MINES AND COLLIERIES BILL. —he had since let out one field, and he (Mr. Charles Buller) had given it as his opinion, that the man was disqualified, inasmuch as he could not return a satisfactory answer to the third ques tion, and in that opinion he (Mr. Charles Ruller) was borne out by high legal authority. There was no particular virtue in a 10/. occupancy — it was merely a method by which to form an estimate of the intelligence and social position of a man ; and if his intelligence and social position were such as to entitle him to vote in one October, there could not be much harm in permitting to retain that right for a year. He would put it to Honourable Members who had served on Election Committees to his Hon. Friend the Member for Lambeth, who had served on one Committee twenty days and on another seventeen days; Mr. RAWES—That is under the mark. Mr. C. BIJ LLE It;:-That, was under the mark—well / he would ask his Hon. Friend, how much of that time had been consumed in consequence of votes disputed, on the ground of the improper answering to the third question,. and then let the House calculate the enor mous expense incurred in investigating these questions, which acted as a discouragement to the presentation of petitions. He considered that it would increase the evil to adopt the proposition of the Hon. Member for Winchester, and for these - reasons he should On the motion of Lord ASHLEY, the Mines and Collieries Bill was read a second time, and was ordered to be committed on this day week. SUDBURY DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL. On the motion of Mr. REDDINGTON the Sud support the Bill as originally introduced. Mr. HAWES was sorry that the Right Hon. Baronet came to the conclusion to oppose the second reading of the Bill. He had been sitting for six weeks on Committees, and he believed that five out of the six were occupied with inquiries into the descrip tion of the cases that had been alluded to. He there fore did not think it too much to ask that time may be allowed to consider whether they could not introduce a clause into the Bill which would re medy the present evils, and keep clear of the objec tions that had been made to certain parts of the pre sent Bill. Mr. CRIPPS said he entertained the greatest objec tion to this method of meeting the difficulties which arose in the exercise of the franchise by separate Bill, and as the Government had given no tice of their intention to introduce a measure on the subject, he thought they should seek to remedy the evil in question by means cf that measure. Mr. GIBSON said the Hon. Gentleman did not seem to be aware that it hadbeen the practice, since the passing of the Reform Bill, to meet particular grievances and detects by means of separate Bills. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided; when there appeared- - For the'second reading .. ..... . . . Against it Majority against the second reading The Bill wss consequently lost. (LEFT SITTING.) Jury Disfranchisement Bill went through Committee THE NEWFOUNDLAND BILL. On the motion of Lord STANLEY, this Bill was read a second time pro forma, on the understanding that the discussion should take place on the Bill going into Committee, which was appointed for this day fortni3ht. JL STICES JURIDICTION BILL. AMERICAN PAPERS. 102 120 -18 A DREADFUL AFFAIR.—A schoolmistress in Lynn, named Beckwith, we learn from a gentleman belong ing to that town, tied a son of Mr. Meads up by the heels on Saturday, and whipped him, striking him several times on his head. When the. school was out, the lad, who was about eight years old, went home and told - his parents that he had been punished, and that his head ached ; but there being nothing in his appearance to excite alarm, little notice was taken of what he said, and he went to bed ; upon going into his room on Sunday morning, he was found lifeless upon his pillow.—Boston Post.: A SHOCKING MCIIDER.--We learn from tire Sparta ( Tenn.) Gazette, that on Wednesday night, the 11th inst., as Mrs. Mary Hunter (relict of the late Joseph Hunter) was siiiing by her fireside, a few miles from Sparta,. in company with two other ladies, she was shot with krifie ball through the head by some person unknown, out of doors,: and expired in a few minutes. The perpetrator of this horrid deed fired in the dark through a window,. and has thus far es- taped detection, , ASSASSINATION.—MF. Petrich, the sculptor, was assassinated at his room in Washington, on Sunday evening, by two men with blackened faces. No cause has been ascertained, nor are the culprits known. Mr. Petrich has been in the employ , of the Govern ment for many years —'New York Paper. REPORTED MURDER OF JOE SMITH, THE MOR MON PROPHET.—The St. Louis Republican of the 19th inst., has the following:-The Mormon Pro phet, Toseph Smith, is reported to have been killed in a recent affray in the vicinity of Nauvoo. We are without particulars. STEAM-BOAT DISASTER.—LIVES LosT.—Wre have to report the sad intelligence that the steamer Douglas. Capt. P.iley, met with a disastrous accident in the Cana dian Roach, near the mouth of the Ohio, on the night of the 16th inst. A letter froth Mr. Montgomery, the clerk, which is before us now, says :—" About twelve o'clock the steam pipe burst from the cylinder, raking through the cabin floor and discharged its whole con tents in -the cabin, carrying with it death and destruc tion." I)r. Hoffmann, lady and child severely scalded —child not expected to live. The Doctor's sister and child also severely scalded ; Mrs. Brown their servant, dangerovsly, not expected to recover; Mrs. Johnson and her two children ; my wife (Mrs. Montgomery) l and three, children ' • Nickey (his child) since dead ; W. Poste , r and Mr. Marshall scalded severely and two others slightly. The three stewards were killed on the spot, and the cabin boy severely scalded. Neither Captain. Riley, nor any other of the officers were hurt." The Douglas was not injured, and is expected here on 'Tuesday. No blame is attached to any of the offioers. MELANCHOLY ACCIDENT.—We learn that an Irish man was killed on Monday afternoon, by jumping from beihind one of the railroad cars, while the train was approaching the depot in this city. It is supposed that he got on to the car at one of the stopping places, The cars were going at tolerable speed, and the man struck his bead violently upon the ground, and was almost instantly killed.—Lowell Courier. DE/MTH OF THE VENERABLE HENRY SOUTHARD. This Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed on Friday next. ELECTORS' REMOVAL BILL. Mr. DI. GIBSON moved the second reading of this Bill. Mr. HODGSON said he must oppose the motion He should divide the House on the second reading this Bill. Mr. MILNER . GIRSON. thought the bes course to pursue on that occasion would be to read the Bill a second time, and, in Committee, the Honourable Gentleman could introduce any alteration in the Bill he thought proper. It was highly desireable that this Bill should:pass,that House. In Manchester no less than 1,770 votes were disquali fied, in consequence of.removal. He believed that all parties were interested in getting rid of that disqualification; - In - Ipswich 167 voters were dis qualified during the late election, and more than half of those were Conservatives. Mr. HODGSON said he should persevere and divide the House on the question. Sir G. GREY said he hoped the House would not divide upon the question without clearly understand ing the true state of the case. He admitted the force of the objection, but he thought it might easily be obviated. The only question was, whether the voter resided within the limits fixed by the Reform Act ; if a clause were introduced to meet the objection, he hoped the House would agree to pass the measure. Mr. ESTCOTT, thought the fact of the electors residing within the limits of the borough or town, should constitute the qualification. No person would he allowed to exercise the franchise who was . not shown, to be in possession of a ten pound qualification : but on the other hand, the fact of removal should not disqualify him for voting, He thought it would be inconsistent with the provi sions of the Reform Bill, if he ceased to exercise his vote, because he continued to reside within the limits of the town, and did not possess the right qualification. Mr. BROTHERTON hoped that the House would allow the Bill to be read a second time : he believed it would tend to prevent fraud. In consequence of the disqualification by removal personation had increased, it being the removers who were personated. He had no personal interest in the matter, for he believed the effect of the evil at present was, telling rather against the Hon. Gentleman opposite. Sir J. GRAHAM quite agreed with the Hon. Gentleman that this Bill ought not to be determined on party considerations ; nor was there any temp tation to do so, as it seemed -pretty clear the effect told about equally on both parties.' He was bound to say that, in •many cases, the ques tion did operate with N ery considerable hardship, and tended to defeat the original object of the Reform Bill, as a person occupying a 101. house might re move into one of greater value, and property being the qualification, he was • even better qualified to hold the franchise than before. The ques tion of . the 101. value was of course very care fully considered bekite the Reform Bill was sub mitted to Parliament. "It---was taken conjointly with the question of the 101. qualification in reference to change of residence. In large cities that class of per sons who most frequently change- their residences from considerations of 'failure in the payment of rent or rates comprised, generally speaking, voters who were most open to temptation, and who were most regardless. The Right Hon. Gentleman, the Member for Devonport, differing from the Hon. Member for Winchester, thought it desirable that a tenant moving from a 10/., tenement to one of inferior value, should have the right of voting. Those who introduced the Reform Bill had thought otherwise, since that question was introduced, for the purpose of preventing that class of, persons from exercising the privilege of the franchise. The remedy proposed by the Hon. Gentleman would cause much inconvenience. It would be impossible to enter into the question of value at the poll ; an assessor, too, should be appointed. The duration of the poll would be prolonged, and the expenses greatly increased. On the whole, having given his best reflection to the subject, and with reference to maintaining the principle of the Reform Bill, he should give his vote against the second reading of this Bill.• Sir G. GREY said that the only object was to substitute forthe question at present put to the borough elector, the following : Do you still reside in the bo rough ? Lord J. RUSSELL, looking to what had passed since the Reform Act, and finding that the object of preventing voters who bad changed their residence from remaining on the register had not been effected. But the same Revising Barristers interpreted the meaning of the Act to be, that change of residence did not take away the, vote,. if the claimant still held an occupation of equal value ; whilst others de rided that the change absolutely took away the vote. In this there was an injustice to one or the other; and he thought it was, necessary to do away with the u ncertainty. For this reason, although he thought that the Bill would require some alterations in Com mittee, he should give his vote for the second reading. Mr. 0. BULLER thought the House could hardly appreciate the difficulties attending the third question, of merely considering the, question as it regarded vo t e rs who had changed their residence. If a person, occupying a house at a rent of 2001., gave up any part of it—if he let out a single room he was disqualified. At the Devonshire election, in 1835, where the Noble Lord had been heat a farmer had applied to him for his opinion as to his right to vote under the following circumstances. He was registeted as occupying a farm of 200 acris —The :fathers have nearly all left us. One only here and there remains to tell the story of our birth ; and we are called to-day to record the departure of one of the few who have been preserved to illustrate the vir tues of the heroic age of our country to the present generation. The venerable Henry . Southard—the father of the present distinguished President of the United. States Senate—died at his residence in Bas kenridge (Somerset Co.), in this State, on Sunday mornimg, the 2d inst., at the advanced age of 95 years, He had enjoyed pod health, and the full possession of his mental faculti6"up to within a few days of his death, which occurred after only four or five days' illness, induced by fatigue from walking.—Newark Daily Advertiser. Mumur.—We learn from Colonel Hatch, that a mutiny occurred at New Bedford on Monday, on board, the whaling bark Jasper, Captain Joseph Bennett, jun. It will be recollected that this vessel put back a few days since in consequence of the small-pox having broken out on board. As she was about to proceed to sea, nine of the Crew refused to weigh anchor, alleging as a reason that they wished to go ashore first. The names of the mutineers are as follows :—John' Oaff, John Marsh, James D. Wright, Henry Staunton, Edwin Barnes, Jose An tone, George Burder, Benjamin Howard, and Henry Shipner. 'they were taken ashore by Deputy Mar shal Gordon ' and committed to prison. They will probably be brought to this city for examination be fore Judge Sprague.—Transcript. • CASE OF KIDNAPPING.—A coloured woman, by the name of Mary Lowding, living at the United States Hotel, was yesterday decoyed by a stranger, to go with him to Baltimore, where he said he would give her a good situation and good wage . i." He put her in a store-room during the day, and between eleven and twelve o'clock last night he was seen in the neigh bourhood of Twelfth and Spruce-streets, in a carriage with the woman. Her screams attracted a crowd, among whom were some of her former acquaintances, who gave chase, and pursued as far as Gray's Ferry, but could not overtake the parties. Her husband was ignorant of any arrangement with his wife, al though similar motives of removal were held out to him to go to Baltimore. The poor fellow is in great distress at this infamous abduction of his wife.— Philadelphia Journal. CoL. MONROE EDWA.RDS.—The Philadelphia cor respondent of the New. York Journal of Commerce writes as follows :—" The trial of Col. Monroe Ed wards, which is expected to come on in your city next week, excites considerable . interest here. His bearing, during his arrest and examination, was of that cool and collected character,, as to impress some with the idea that he was either an innocent man or a most accomplished scoundrel. His trunk, which since his arrest has been lying at the Bank of North -America, was yesterday examined by a specially_ commissioned agent from your city, and found to contain sixty thousand dollars in gold and Treasury notes:" A horse, which had been bitten by a rabid dog, at St. Louis, on the 16th, ran through the streets, foam ing at the mouth, and afterwards falling _down, in THE *understand that a very great agony died. N AV r YARD.—We large number of workmen have recently been dis charged from work at the Navy YOrd at Brooklyn, .N. -Y. The Secretary of the , Navy has felt• com pelled to d o thi s , from the evident disposition of Con gress to cut down the 'Navy appropriations. The persons discharged, and those dependent on them, are put to great inconvenience by this sudden change of policy ; and, in some instaneas, there is severe dis tress.—Journal of Commerce. DEATH OF RICHARD ALSOP.—The Philadelphia papers of Monday mention the death of Richard Alsop, of that city, a gentleman extensively connected with the financial and other commercial interests of that city. EARTIIQUARE AT PONCE.---Capt. York, of schooner IndependenCe, states, that on the 7th the shock of an earthquake was felt at Ponce. The houses rocked, and so great was the motion of the earth, that casks of sugar and molasses rolled about, making sad havoc. The inhabitants, in great terror, rushed into the streets, invoking their patron saints to save them from destruction. The shock was felt at 3 P.M., and lasted about three minutes. REscuE or A SLAVE.—A Mrs. Burke, from New Orleans, arrived in this city last April, with a female slave. A few days since a writ of habeas corpus was granted by 'Judge Oakley, to show by what right the slave was held as property, and the girl was conveyed to Court yesterday morning, when, after a partial hearing, the case was adjourned until to-day. On her return from Court, the cab in which she was placed was stopped by a large number of blacks and whites, and the girl carried off—whither, no one can tell. A number of the persons engaged in the rescue have been arrested and committed. DESTRUCTIVE FIRE IN NORWICIL—W e learn that an extensive fire occurred at Grenville, a manufactur ing village near Norwich, on Thursday forenoon, in the extensive cotton factory of Mr. Greene. The loss is estimated at 100,000 dols.—insured for 75,000 dols. TAKE WARNING.---The Philadelphia Evening Jour nal says that Captain A. Davis, of the ship Swatara, from Liverpool, has been arrested on a charge of hav ing brought over:more passengers than the law allows, according, to the tonnage of his ship. He was heldto bail in the sum of 1,200 dols. to answer the charge EMIGRANTS.—Three thousand eight hundred and fifty passengers have arrived at this city from foreign ports, during the week ending 28th instant. ROYAL VISITER EXPECTED.—Extract from a letter of an officer to his brother, in Cleveland, dated on board U. S. ship . Vincennes, of the U. S. Exploring Expedition :—" We have on board Vindoba, the King of the••Fejee - Islands, as . prisoner, who killed and eat eleven of the crew of 'a Salem vessel, in 1835. I suppose he will be shown about like Black Hawk, and then be sent home. He says I am his best friend, and wishes to live with me when we reach the United States - . How would you like to have him for a mess-mate ? He is a fine looking fellow, very tall, and wears his hair half a yard long. He would be worth - 5,000 dols., to show about.. the country."— New Bedford Mercury. ENTERPRISE.—The St. Louis Journal says that four young men recently left Independence for the Rocky Mountains, to capture wild animals for a menagerie. They expect to return next fall. COMMERCE or THE LAKES.—There arrived at Buffalo on the 23d inst., nine steamers, foUr brigs and twenty-one schooners, principally from Cleve land, Ohio, all heavily laden with flour, pork, corn, oats, barley and lumber. TIIE IRST NEW FLOUR.—The Fayeteville (N. C.) Observer says :—" Colonel William Han cock, of Munroe county, has sent us a sample of new flour, the first we have heard of this year. The wheat was sown on the 18th of October, 1841, cut on the 18th of May, 1842, threshed on the 21st, ground on the 23d, and in the market on the 23d. SATISFACTORY DEFINITIOK.-7-A little girl asked her sister " what was chaos, that papa read about ?" The older child replied. " why, it is a great pile of nothing, and no place to put it in." STATE OF TRADE. (From the Manchester Guardian.) The depression which we noticed last week continues unabated. The demand both for yarn and goods; espe cially the latter, was very limited yesterday ; and prices of both had a downward tendency. Indeed, in most descriptions of goods, they are quite as low as at any former period. The prices of 'yarn are somewhat better sustained ; but the better descriptions of mule twist are ' rather easier to buy than they were last week. ROCHDALE FLANNEL MARKET, JUNE 13.—There has been a brisk demand for flannels to-day ; and, in some instances, a little advance in price has been obtained by the manufacturers. It is pretty well understood that the movement in the flannel market is occasioned by specu lators on the expected rise in price of wool. There is not much change in the wool market ; but a general opinion prevails that the present prices are at the lowest, and a rise must take place. HUDDERSFIELD MARKET, TUESDAY, JUNE 14TH. — Unfortunately, the favourable indication in this market for the two last weeks was not sustained to-day. For want of avenues of trade abroad, and the immense amount of poverty at home, in vain do the commercial energies of this country struggle. Nothing but a sys tem of reciprocity between nation and nation can give permanent relief. For want of this, notwithstanding the high pitch of our manufactures, the low prices, and the amazing variety of our fabrics, there is a very small demand for any description of goods.. In the warehouses there is an unusual dullness, and the mills are chiefly kept at work to support the operatives. THE JAGGERY POT. " May it please the Sahibs," said the Jaggery man, sidling up towards the revellers, " may it please thpir Lordships to grant the humblest of their slaves, a mo ment's audience?" " Ho! ho!" cried one of the matchlock-men, in a tone of derision, " who, in the Prophet's name, have we got here?" " 'Tis ft Ghoul of the desert," said another, " willing to partake of our festivity, or Eblees himself, come to act as master of the revels." " Alas ! Sahib," said the stranger, " I know not the persons you mention, and who are, doubtless, your Lord snips' particular friends and acquaintances." " So they are, forester," said Hafix 13ahauder, laugh ing. " There the infidel had the true believer on the hip, and merits a cup of Sendi for his mi,ggery." " May it please the Burro, Sahib," said the woodman, " wine is forbidden to the poor Hindoo ; hut nature has given him instead a draught more pure than Pouban water, which Kartikeia * himself often sips when arm ing for the crash - of battle." " By the honour of my five wives I" exclaimed Hafiz Bahauder, "I should like to taste that boasted beverage of thine, though, in general, I am not in the habit of mixing my liquor." " Your wishes shall be gratified, Sahib," said the stranger, " and for that purpose have I ventured to in trude on your Lordships. I'm an humble dweller of the forest, and it has seldom fallen to my lot to listen to such minstrelsy as I have this morning heard in this solitary place, compared to which the flute of Crishna himself is rude and discordant." " 3lashallah ! praise to the prophet !" exclaimed one of the Affghans, " the savage really seems to have an ear for music." " It was delightful," cried the forester, with enthusi asm, " and, in gratitude for the treat. I humbly beg your Lordships' acceptance of the only recompense in my power—the contents of my Jaggery Pot, fresh and de licious from the tree." . Beshrew your hospitality," said another of the Affghans, " I like it not : neither can I brook with any patience the squinting of your single eye, which throws a damp upon my spirits as a cloud overshadows the sun. So, prithee, abscond, and leave us to enjoy our meal in peace." " Nay, nas'," cried Bahauder Hafiz, interposing his voice potential, "you wrong him, Ali Khan, you wrong the hapless infidel, and belie your own manhood by dreading the influence of his evil eye.—What, though he may be wicked himself, the proverb cannot touch his Jaggery Pot, which 1 dare swear contains some right delectable tipple." " Meddle not with it," exclaimed several voices at once. " Touch it not, Hafiz, but send the cooly back to his wilderness, lest his wicked eye should lead us into peril and misadventure." " Now by that ancient sage," cried Hafiz, piqued into obstinacy, "By that ancient sage who first expressed the nectar juice from the ruby grape, and showed us a short cut to happiness, I'll taste the beverage of this woodman, undaunted by his evil eye. He comes so like those jovial souls who hang their wine-kegs round their necks in laughter-loving Kaferisthaun,f that, may I go an in fidel out of the world, but I'll hug his Jaggery Pot, even though he were the Ghoulce Beeabau,t or guardian demon, of this infernal wilderness." Then filling a crystal cup with the sparkling beverage, he drained it to the dregs, and swore, by his father's soul, that the wine ordained to kiss the lips of the faithful in paradise was nothing to be compared to the celestial liquor he had just quaffed.—From " Savindroog," in the Metropolitan Magazine. ' God of War.. t In Kaferisthann the use of wine is so prevalent thatevery Kafer has a khig, or leathern bottle of wine about his neck : they drink wine instead of water.—Memoirs of Baber. t The Affghans believe each of the numerous solitudes and deserts of their country to be inhabited by a lonely demon, whom they call the " Ghoulee Beeabau," or spirit of the waste. —Elphinstone's Caubul. EGYPT. We extract the following from a letter received from Dr. Labat, ex-surgeon of the Pacha of Egypt, and dated from Suez : .‘ Since the measures adopted by Mehemet Ali for giving complete security to Europeans passing through Egypt, the Isthmus of Suez become* more and more the high road, by which civilisation passes into Asia and the eastern shores of Africa; the Red Sea formerly so inhospitable to Christians is now open to the commerce and industry of all nations. At Suez, Kosseir, Gedda, Massouah, and Mocca, French and English Consuls are found vieing with each other in lending assistance to the travellers and commerce of the different European nations. The English steam-boats on the Red Sea ply as regularly as on the seas of Europe. They make the passage from Bombay to Suez, touching at Aden in twenty days, and that to Calcutta in a month. Both lines dis embark at Kosseir the travellers who are bound for Upper Egypt, by going down the Nile from Kena to Cairo. Two days' journey on a dromedary are sufficient to go from Kos seir to the river. Such passengers as continue their read to Suez, find in this town English and French diligences which cross the desert to Cairo in 24 hours. From this city to Alexandria, the English have established a line of steam boats, by means 'of which travellers can go down the Nile in a single day. When once arrived on the shores of the Mediterranean, there is a double line of correspondence, French and English, to Europe. A circumstance worthy of remark is, that thanks to the abolition of the quarantine at South - amplon, a person can arrive at London or Paris more quickly by that route than by landing directly at Marseilles. In fact, the English boats, which repair directly from Alexandria and Southampton make the passage in 15 or 18 days. On their arrival in that port, as a quarantine of only 24 hours is required, it is evident that a traveller can reach London or Paris more rapidly than by Marseilles, where a quarantine of 25 days is exacted. This practice, which is founded on ancient pre judices, does infinite injury to Marseilles. The period ought to be reduced to five days at most when there have been neither deaths nor illness on board during the passage. This excellent sy.stetn of the English allows despatches from the far thest part of India to arrive in London in less than six weeks, whereas it would take four times the period in making the circuit of the Cape of Good Hope. If the plan of a similar correspondence between the Isle of Bourbon and Suez can be put into practice, the French will be as well off as the English. As the port of Sus z is the most important intermediate point of the line of communication with the Indian Ocean, it is de- , sirable that it may always remain in the power of a neutral Government like that of Mehemet Ali, this being the only means of leaving it easily accessible to all nations. At present the utmost harmony reigns between the English and French Consuls, and it is to be hoped that no political incident will occur to trouble this state of things so rioalable to the general cause of civilization." LAW INTELLItiENCE. HOUSE OP LORDS. June 14. The Lord Chancellor, Lord Lliougham, Lord Campbell, and the. Judges, sat in the House - of Lords to-day to hear writs of error. SIR F. BURDETT, BART. 0. DOE AND OTHERS. The arguments in this case, which were partly heard at the conclusion of Easter Term, were resumed and concluded to-day. The House propounded certain questions of law for the con sideration of the Judges, which their Lordships took time to consider. SICYNNEK V. DOE AND minas. This writ of error stood in the paper for argument to-day, but the case involving the same question as the last, similar questions were put to the Learned Judges, who took time to answer them. RUTLAND V. 'DOE AND OTHERS. This wns also a writ of error from the judgment of the Ex chequer Chamber, reversing a decision in favour of the plain tiff, who claimed certain tenements in Norfolk, wider an in denture of lease, executed in Dec., 1833. The arguments not having concluded at four o'clock, were postponed till to-morrow. • MESSRS. WIGNEY'S BANK RUPTCY. BRIGHTON, Teesna v.—This morning an adjourned meet ing took place in the large room of the Town Hall, for the ex amination of the bankrupts, and production of the balance sheet. Mr. JAMES addressed the meeting at some length, and ob served that a most important question would arise, as it appeared from the books at the date of the late Mr. Wigney's death, in November, 1836, there was a deficiency of 58,000/. It also appeared that a balance had never beer, struck since 1824. Mr. BENNETT considered the, accounts had better not be put in, as the books of the Scotch concern were not forthcoming. Mr. HALLETT, one of the assignees, said they had made an arrangement with Messrs. Houlttsworth , which he hoped would be satisfactory to the creditors. Mr. Isaac Newton Wigney was then sworn and examined by Mr. James.—ln 1836, at my father's death, mysei and father were the partners. The deficiency at that time, according to the balance-sheet, was 54,816/. Bs. 7d. I never knew of the deficiency until the accounts have been recently gone into. The last balance was struck in 1824. My father toot an active part in the bank, and the books were under his revision. I joined the bank in 1830. took no capital in. At my father's death I look no account of the state of the bank. On reference to the books, 31st Dec. 1824, the whole claims were 89,342/. 4s. 4d. The accounts will not tell the state of our afEirs. The assets, good, bad, and doubtful, aretlre same in amount, viz., 89,342/. 43. 4d. I have not the least idea what •amount of this was bad. Mr. Stanford and 11Ir. Valiance were partners. At their retiring I never took an account of the bank. The deficiency found at my father's death, amounting to upwards of 54,0001- com menced in 1824. In the year 1 82 5 , during the panic, the loss was nearly 9,000/. I speculated- that year to the extent of 26,000/. That sum was the commencement. of the deficiency, as far as I was concerned. My father was aware of my losing 9,G00/., and that amount was never replaced by myself or my father, but the bank went on with that deficiency. In 1826 1,147/. 10s. 3d. was lost. In - 1827 the deficiency was 1,499/. by speculations. In 1828, 2,001,11' In 1,29, 2,426/. 15s. 2d. In 18.30, 1,8511. 2s. 6d. In 1631;590/. Bs. 6d. In 1832, 1,0041.65. In 1633, 559/. 11s. 4d. Up to 1833 the deficiencies were 19,7461. 12s. 2d., of which I was the sole cause, and which amount was never replaced.. There was a loss in hops, in 1828, of 3,979/. From 1825 to 1833 I lost 23,725/., and no part was replaced. Up to 1836, the time of my father's death, 49,357/. I ls. 3d. was the total amount of deficiency caused by me. I have spent about 4,0001. on the electi ms. The two first cost 1,1631. ss. 6d. The two next 2,816/. The cost of the la , t 1,8001. The expemes of the last el, ction are paid. Sly father from time to time knew of the losses. I carried on the concern with the deficiency unsupplied. When my brother joined in Jan. 1837, he brought in no money. I have not ap propriated any money belonging to my father's estate to snake up the deficiency which arose- whilst he was a partner. We have paid off the debts of 1836 by the'subsequent deposits. The Court then adjourned until fen o'clock to-morrow. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LQADS, June 14. THE INCOME-TAX. Lord WHARNCLIFF presented a petition from the Law Society of the West 'Riding of Yorkshire,.praying that they might be exempted from the Income-tax, on the ground that they were obliged to pay yearly for the renewal of their certificates. The NOBLE LORD also presented a petition from the Guardians of the Poor-law Union of Bradford, praying fur the re-enactment of the Poor-law of Queen Eliza beth. He did not concur in the prayer of the petition. THE PLEA OF NOT GUILTY. The same Noma; LORD presented also a petition from John Smith, of Liverpool; a lecturer upon education, and praying that the plea of " Not guilty " should be abolished, and that some modb should be adopted to enable accused persons to plead, without asserting that, of the falsehood of which they were conscious. Lord DEN MAN remarked, that the practice of Judges persuading prisoners to plead." not guilty," had entirely disappeared from the courts of law in England. Fur himself, be could see no occasion why prisoners should be calledon to plead at all, unless they desired to express their plea of guilty. Thap.vas the opinion he enter tained, and he had expressed the ,same sentiment, some time ago, in the House of Commons. Lord CAMPBELL was of opinion that the asking ofpri soners whether they would take their trial or not, was much the same as asking them whether they were guilty or not. The scandal of Judges solemnly advising the prisoner to tell a falsehood, was now dime' away with ; but he must say, that he thought it would be a still greater improve ment upon the present practice, if no questions should be put at al!, but that the prisoner should have the right, if he chose to prevent trouble, to confess his guilt. Lord WYNFORD never knew a Judge who advised a prisoner to plead " not guilty." He had himself, when a Judge, recommended a.prisoner to pause before he gave in his plea ; and he should do the same thing now, if he were in a position to do so. Ile thought that . great inconvenience arose from continued alterations in the law. The Bishop of CHESTEU suggested that the prisoner should be asked whether he Wished to confess, or whether he wished to be tried ? SYRIA. Lord HOWDEN said that.in the absence of the Noble Lord, the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, he wished to ask the Noble Lord, at the head of the Admi ralty, whether the official reports received from the Con sular authorities in Syria, - confirmed the accounts which l►e received yesterday by the mail, from respectable par ties there, that that country was rapidly progressing to a state of disorganisation. They had had an Ambassador at Constantinople, who was determined to go to war with somebody. They had— The Duke of WELLINGTON—This was exactly tan tamount to making a speech, without intending to make a motion. The Noble Lord vas asking a question, with out having given notice, which was not according to the principle of that House. His Noble Friend would for give him for calling him to order. Lord HOWDEN briefly explained. Lord HADI)INGTON said, that in the absence of the Noble Lord, the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, he was not able to answer titleslims of the nature whiCh had been proposed to him. The best thing his Noble Friend oould do would be to give notice, and no doubt the Noble Lord, the Secretary*r Foreign Affairs, would be in his place to answer the question. He might state that he had seen communications from the officers of some of those stations, but %he thought the fullest infor mation on the subject would be obtained at the Foreign office.— (Hear.) The Earl of STANIIOPE postponed the presenta tion of the petition of which he had given notice, on the subject of the Anatomy Act,, to Thursday. Lord DENMAN presented several petitions against enforcing certain persons to take oatbs. COPYRIGHT BILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR said he had consulted with his Noble and Learned. Friend, and they had arrreed to certain amendments, which would be inserted in the Bill. The Bill then went through Committee, and was or• dered to be read a third time on Thursday, WITNESSES INDEMNITY On the Order of the Dur<rr the second reading of the Witnesses Indemnity Bill, Lord BROUGHAM rose to bring forward his mo tion that the Orders of the Day be suspended, to facili tate the progress of the Bill. Notwithstanding the House of. Commons had rejected the Bill which he had brought in, and which their Lordships had sent down to the other House, for ComMittees of both Houses to inquire into practices of a corrupt nature at elections for Members of the other House, still he was convinced that a Committee of Members of the Commons alone could never do justice to such cases. He denied that their Lordships had any desire to interfere with the rights and privileges of the other House ; but what was contemplated now in both Houses wus to legislate pros pectively on a matter of criminal justice. That House (the Lords) was a co-ordinate branch of the Legislature, and was the highest Court of Criminal Justice ; and was it not a place in which legislation upon criminal justice should commence ? To • deny this, and say that the House should be excluded from legislating for crime be cause that crime was connected with elections to the other House, was so extravagant that he would not stop to combat it. The iirikery of an officer of justice • was a crime on which thesit'ause had already legislated, and the bribery of a man at an election for a Member of Parliament was as much under the cognizance of their Lordships as any other act of bribery unconnected with elections. Suppose it was proposed to amend the law with respect to riot, larceny, assault and battery, conspiracy. or even murder, Were they to be told that they Might legislate respecting these as committed in ail other places but at elections, and that they should expressly enact in any Bill com menced by them that the Bill was not to extend to any riot, larceny, assault and battery, conspiracy or murder, connected with an electioß for a Member of the House of Commons? He held it perfectly clear that it was com petent to the House to take up this subject as much as that of any other crime. He thought that after what passed recently as to the extent of crime which was committed all over the country,. in England, Ireland, and Scotland, and that these enormities were of such a na ture as to prevent the possibility of a free choice of the people, mid to render elections a mockery—when all morality was set at defiance, and immorality scattered abroad, cast over the land—and when there was no pu nishment for the past, and rus prevention for the future, in the present state of the law, there was nothing left but to legislate upon the subject, and as that was not done elsewhere he had moved their Lordships for a Committee to inquire with a view to legislation. He had presented for this reason as early as be possibly could, a Bill for facilitating the inquiry, if the house of Commons chose to adopt a like course. That Bill .met :with the almost universal approbation of their Lordships, and was despatched to the abet_ House about & month age. It did not give actual indemnity to witnesse s but it gave power to Election Committees to indemnify witnesses if they honestly and impartially gave answers - to every question which was proposed to them. Thus; were many pet eons who would not come forward, unless they knew that they themselves were tube indemnified ; but there was another, and perhaps a larger class, Whet having been acsomplices with others, w ould not *sine forward unless indemnity were promi s to themselves and to their accomplices—to those aeons' lices this Bill afforded an indemnity. A declarat or l which c accompli ces was also added to the Bill, upon the advice of the Noble Viscount, late Speaker of the House of Comma, The whole of those measures referred to one individue ease, and that was the case of the last general election ; they had no prospective or retrospective view, but the provisions referred to the last general election aka?' He, for one, should have been content to say that, deal' 1 as was the extent, frightful as was the mass of bribe 1 and corruption, and intimidation which took place at .e, 1 last general election, that to obtain the possibility h 0: stemming that vile torrent of corruption, he gave IIP tit , chance of punishing the offenders at that election , be ' bygones be bygones for this once, he looked only tort trospective legislation and prevention, and if be ecitie: prevent such offences for the future, he should be cont e t With that view and upon that principle, that rness ll :i was framed, and sent down to the other House. He' 0 every reason to believe, and he hoped and trusted h e I L entitled to believe, that there prevailed the same det r to prevent the recurrence of these practices in the O t L House of Parliament, as animated their Lordships. T' 7 House was, if possible, more nearly and more d e eply ,4r t e rested in the prevention of these practices thane Lurelships. Ile wished to speak with respect of that' s sembly—he would go further, he would respect it : 1Q only in proportion as, by its conduct, it respected 1 ? / n but he would give it that larger measure of respe c e lP proportion to what its conduct ought to be. All t ; t u al measure was sent down to the other Hoare, ens eh,,, them to get at the truth if they were so disposed. , " ' - 'l l . first thing they did was to say they would not hitte:a They said it would enable them to do what they e'en but they would not take it because it was sent frorre._l Lordships. That Bill was sent back to their.Lerdiseter, What did they lose by that but time ? In three that that measure might have become the law of . theisfa They might have altered it, but instead of that the was entirely throWn on one side, and another was infL, duced in its place; the only consequence of which 7, that there was a delay of several weeks. The Billr7 o f up by the Commons had to go through all the reefele a new measure. It required all the charity he pose e ,,,e7 r e to come to the conclusion that there p r evailed else the same earnest desire which animated their LoraP - -'e to effect this important investigation. Privilege Vil l e reason assigned by a great number, and he believet a with some that was a real ground ; but he had 1 141 M t; nor of doubt but that there was something more 0 _17.41 than this reason. He hoped their Lordships- 7 6 ; 1 1K agree to this Bill, however objectionable, - in e itie that there might be no loop hole for avoiding 1 /1 6 d s e He was prepared to show, if a Committee of that ~..efte had sat upon the Bill, that the highest names ! ri sied country had been made use of—that intimidatio n * existed to a most frightful extent, which would ne necessary that the matter should be inquired into in I f, fullest manner ; and now that inquiry was taken-Slei from that House at least, because it related. to *L o s places only. He was of opinion that it would much good, or nearly as much good as the ansPie r eeedi sure which had been proposed: He had, he conte s t very great confidence in the names of many offi - 0 1 men whom lie saw upon the Committee in, the 1 10 r ei Commons, who he was sure would perform their ci with honour and credit. When this Bill shou o ld s 1 ge those men would be armed with great powers ; an f t y was sure they would exercise them to the benefi t ° le fi , country. Let them, then, pass the Bill without el e t There was little time for the Committee to exerciseld powers before the end of the session. Let not the lief lie at their Lordships' door. They had donefiliAil could to assist the house in this object, and they ,Ttor to progress, and to continue to aid them until tVolti qairy should be constituted. When a similar power S io te) be offered to their Lordships, he (Lord 13retig but would again offer the aid of his humble assistanc e ;00 until real powers were given, he should esteem t eig worse than a mockery to proceed any further in44o matter. The other House had refused to let their Ines ships have a copy of the evidence taken before them for the Bribery Bill ; yet any one could purchase t ot; sixpence. Their Lordships could not perliap.., ol „ s e ei stand the nice distinctions observed by the. ne e lisil Commons. Be it so. Let them keep their e videlowiel let not their Lordships act in the like manne r e ' s lo , them rather return good for evil, and by passing !" ill expedite as much as they possibly could this inellirAfed, conclusion, he begged to move that the Standing ,, be suspended, in order that the Bill be committed se read a third time. The Earl of WICKLOW trusted that his Noble ~e Learned Friend had not been correct in the re 01 which he had assigned for this Bill coming 11 Pr r icr House. The Bill which his Noble and Learned po atit i j ' had proposed and he (Lord Wicklow) had so ? w i t e, was for indemnity to witnesses before all Comm lot inquiry respecting bribery at the late elections. present Bill related only to one election, an d tbf i r could not have been intended as a substitute for tP4,00 1 sent down from them, nor could he think that theV of Commons had treated their Lordships' Bil i „:l,o, ° A . Noble and Learned Friend supposed. He th° l4 o t, house of Commons, and influential llembers • o . o s!l i p i House (the Commons), thought that it was ne .. i ta .,45. 4 competent tribunal by itself to try these quester - ir‘ that if it continued to be the exclusive tribunens morality and evils of all kinds would go on i° - eiir But he did not think that there was any .reaS o l.o l l case for the unusual course proposed, of suspeo w Iv o standing orders. He should, however, his support, hoping, however, that their Lordsblevilss not agree to the present motion, for which the necessity, as the Committee to which the Biulkr, had been a long time sitting, which showed . ipel l Commons themselves did not see any reason for r7S! lag haste. e‘ *eol . Lord BROUGHAM replied. His Noble - 1 1d1, 1 give the:. posite was under a misapprehension as to the the r ,,, the case. The Committee had not yet sat, and*Zoi of the delay was that they were waiting for h iS e o The object of his motion was to put an end to t .. , ~e e that no blame might be attached to their 10 ) hereafter, as having frustrated the objects of the: ' ,d by not passing the Bill more quickly. sal t ). Lord CAMPBELL had no objection to the 4 se of the standing orders ; but he did not think bige„,er house of Commons deserved the sareasnqf e ob l ci Noble and Learned Friend applied to its rie tei amongst whom he was held in the highest .. c ve it and esteem. With great deference to his L e teni e Learned Friend, lie did not think that the much lost uch by the rejection of the clause which a,a and Learned Friend lamented.Thatcleuse, if it lls u sh!' ‘ would have been known to posterity as the "P" 10 ...r s d clause, and would have led to the most danger°, 04 ,., a. , ,, quences. With all respect for his Noble F l ', e l, 4 eo with unfeigned admiration of his talents, still express his regret that his Noble and Lear,°:T n ey had formed such an unfavourable opinion 0 1 of which he had been so long an ornament. ii iiycl i Lord BROUGHAM returned with equal sil l .l e tir ) o o expressions of respect, which he had re ce. l'4,ta- i s lf pleasure from his Noble and Learned Friencl.4.o o l could have made a better defence for the procee_, : z ee, he had taken under his advocacy. But that ° e l el supported by misapprehension and fnise's o o l o l which was never surpassed even by his r r e e Learned Friend himself either at that bar o r oe House.—(A laugh.) He meant such miselee#ool and false reasoning as an advocate falls into Iv. oioll,,ed dertakes the cause of his client with a deteroll°o42 to see anything but right in it.—(Laughter.) '•eSsi Campbell) seemed to suppose that there was 1 1 ° 0, ie!rd. for this Bill, and that the House of Co:0 1° 0 019 give indemnity without their Lordships' °P r oem/ 0 What? was it not known that if the House °' 007 1 gave an indemnity, the House of Lords w' oo 0 t ell the Crown to prosecute ?—(Hear.) Was it i , the case when questions of privilege were on et? against the common law, such disputes were fl i .Oolville of adjustment only by the concurrence ofbOt.000000; He disclaimed any intention to cast imput e s : ti c/oil ' ,i ( other House of Parliament: .He confined I ;t . ' , 1 1 4 to that which was done with respect to tai.o.has. they had adopted that Bill, the Committee Pt I ! . . e str l e been sitting for the last three weeks. Lord CAMPBELL explained. . , iler-::7/f i The motion was then agreed to, and the ' l O O . into Committee on the Bill. The House resumed. - ' it The Bill was then read a third time and el .. Ili The other Bills on the table were for 1 ' ''-, and the House adjourned. t; .try: l : - HOUSE OF COMMONS, J' ol ' 'O l BELFAST ELECTION. 4, h . 0 0 . Sir 11. PEEL said he quite agreed. W ll- 0,. ;* Hon. Friend that they had got into gre at t eis, ' ;th e ments, in consequence of the allegations 00 , wor 0 ,ies: d But why had they got into them ? Wla s nit7 o Str e compelled to adopt a course, which he ta .ef - fo' i novel and not warranted by the preced e° Act 7.04 11 _,' Parliaments ? Because they had passed e ° o r rA r liament dispensing with the neces4ity,,,ebn,;ro agency as a preliminary to the proof of bl r e h',.° ° ' . .. , r e cause they had appointed Committees " i bree:.,o o standing the imputations which had beel,, t tle! them, had shown by their proceedings '''',. e fecer,'l g a anxious to perform their duties, without _i t hiess, A party considerations. One consequenee_, beCes7stele: Acts had been the paralysing the tribunal - , 0%, Or; evidence had been withdrawn from it. A s 00 0 . 111. A, before, he did not think the House of cor ipc lifilielro pointing a tribunal for the adjudication o ene es i f ? e , personal rights, had deprived itself of ile g fie .1 / $OO diction with respect to bribery at electionse in _est i believe that that was the original intent l yte°. ; the Act, ncr did he believe it would be I n tbit a dite the proper , exercise of their functions. u pon 0 ", case, as in the other, he should decide i; e nie,l,Vr i ,, grounds. He did not see any differencre.oibee ,PL i pt . o:," • case and that of the Hon. and Gallant 311 .' 4. e a VY /i l, by ryn. In that case the House had deterran n i t - e piel an inquiry. With respect to , the ‘Pl' s ese -. , ; ,- .. 4 4 1 tboupiht that the documents which had u:ileilV V:4 by his Hon. Friend, showed clearly ths! , e ys ist ; le, had taken place. His opinion, thereforeuro seesltor:, such a state of things the House of Cow _ s u rn esTahOr e to convince the country that it was ill , siv eeei", je lep hear)—in preventing, as far as it 1) 0551 ,y 0e :elll:e1St ee growing systems of bribery and comp Of: Oiser:tm e , vented the exposure of them. The ce_s t l ins inglii rgro tp, not exactly the same as the case of. Net sum P 1 0 0 'Wing & C 4 ,33 Ini was no vacating of a seat, or ag 1 of a erreeffe but there were distinct allegations slit to p " yy! 0 He thought the course the House olle s n ible v e l: it itieli t o , to apply themselves as quickly asp s s he ir let t fOr ise the Noble Lord ; thereby founding.`S u elet °SA tl° some principle. On the whole he.tinstileosoetv sake of the character a the Partles