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MUTTON in C intonments, Quarters, der-mentioned Counties and BEEF AND To his Majesty's Land Forces and Barracks, in the uu Island s -Bedford Berke C ambridg to e Ilereford „ Her "I* of Wight Ke nt Laneaster Northumberland (including Berwick-on-Tweed) Oxford Rutland Surrey Worcester And in Guernsey; Jersey, and Alderney. FORAGE, viz. ° ate, Hay, a n d Straw, to hisllfresty's Cavalry and Ar tilliry Horses, in Barracks, and Oats in Cantonments a nd Quarters,' in the undermentioned County Cornwall, and in North Britain. That tII deliveries are to commence on and for the 25th ' BI Y of June next ; that proposals in writing, sealed up and marked " Tender for Army Supplies," will he received at ship .°ing on or before the 25th day of May ; but o b 'ill be 'received after twelve o'clock on that day. Mposals trixat ?.e made separately for each County and except for the COunties comprising North and South wales, all of which must be. included in one Tender, must the several Counties in North Britain, and also the I s la n d s 'of Guensev, Jersey, and Alderney ; and each Proposal must have the Letter which is annexed to the .I.eager PrOperly filled' up, by two Persons of known Pro -1--"Y en gaging to become bound with the Party tendering In the Amount stated :in the ,printed Particulars, for the d ue Perfo rmance of the C on t ract; an d no Proposal will be .fiotieed unless made on a printed Tender, and the T Pe kes expres se d in Words , at .4ength; and should it so PPP I that du r i ng ; the. continuance of the Contract no "Pl! should be strip* by. virtue of the "mount of th e , .',tamps. on same, the 'the Contract and Bond, paid 14 the &et Instance by. the Contractor, shall be refunded 10 b . _-• artieulari of the gontracts may be had upon at . theseChambers, between the hours of Ten and Four, and of the Barrack Masters in the Islands of Guern sey ind jeroiy. , 11 :;/L---Samples of the Bread, and Meal may be seen, ` l4 Office between the Hours of Twelve and Three. FOR MADRAS AND BEN(AL, To sail the first week iu May, THE new coppered Ship CLYDE, A 1, I,, i'ne D. N. MUNRO, Commander; burden 500 tons ; t in the East Indfa Docks. Has superior accommoda -I°lls, and will c a rry an experienced surgeon. ' j . rnr frei g ht or passage app l y to th e C om mander, at the er tlialena Coffee-house; to Robert Strachan, Riche's crt, Line-street ;orto • AIRLIE BONHAM, and Co., Broad-street-buildings. FOR BOMBAY, Domiti. • vely to sail on the 20th May, under engagement to the Hon. the East India Company, I / H E KATHERINE STEWART FORBES, INGRAM CHAPMAN, formComander. Re - ' a Poop, and very superior accommodation passen e, and carries a surgeon. Lying in the West India I Part Dock. v 4 3. Passage apply to the Commander, at the Jerusalem % - house, Cornbill; to Messrs. Inglis, Forbes, and Co. At i l ,tilaion -house place ; or "JHN CRAPMAN and Co., 2, Leadenhall-street. FOR BOMBAY DIRECT, appointed to Sail on the 15th June next, from Gnsvesend, THE fine Teak Ship RECOVERY, 600 IN Tons Burthen, HENRY C. CHAPAIAN, Com ,ider, lying in the West India Export Dock. al" Freight or Passage apply to the Commander; or to JOHN CHAPMAN and CO. 2, Leadenhall-street. FOR PASSENGERS ONLY. •.-; TO sail from Gravesend on the 12th June, FOR BENGAL DIRECT, Honourable Cotppany's Chartered Ship PARMELIA, Al, burthen 500 tons. JOHN wI MSLE . Commander. Lying in the West India Ex rt , k ov i 'Jock. The Ship has a poop, and superior accom lorteoatino.ns for Passengers, and will carry an experienced le k or LLassage apply to the Commander, at the Jerusa 'ottee-bousse; to Messrs. Rickards, Mackintosh, and 15 ) Biabbpsgate.4treet Within ; or to JOSEPH LACIILAN, 22, Great Alie-street, Goodman's-fields. I, Now Ready, in 2 vols. 12 mo. 14s. boards. ; or, the Two Fair Cousins. The celeb ra t e d Chinese Novel which has excited so tt eg, curiosity at Paris in the Translation of M. ABEL t r "SAT, l a 1 , unt and darke, Y,:rk-street, Covent-garden td inbingh; Griffin, Glasgow ; and E. Williams, Bath. in n This Day were published, ne Volume Svo. with numerous Engravings on Wood, 1/. Is. tLEMENTS of PHYSICS, or NATU •jt,AL PHILOSOPHY, General and Medical, ex "ldependently of Technical Mathematics, copiously 4 4(I s en t-ated by interesting Phenomena of Nature . and Art, --ntai ning New Disquisitions and Practical Suggestions. By N. ARNOTT, M.D. I) • Of the Royal College of Physicians. st r , e n t n ted for Thomas and George Underwood, 32, Fleet- d Y were published, in One Volume, Svc.. Third Edition, price 10.: 61. boards, SERMONS. By ROBERT GORDON, Alinister of N e w North Church, Edinburgh ; ptif, Hope Park Chapel, St. Cuthbert's. Z a nted for Waugh and IrMes, Edinburgh; and James ' e lt,n, 37, P a t ernoster-row, L on d on . wi t " ur• Gordon' s Th eo l ogy i s o f th e ve ry h a ppi es t ec h o() huiu, strongly marked Evangelical sentiments as to its it is urged with vehemence and discrimination run the human conscience."--Evangelical Magazine. v : We have cerminly m e t few Preachers more dis ,' Nailed for c l earness o f conception, accuracy of senti r" felicity of language, and power of reasoning, than • Gordon. In these respects the volume is almost every th ing that could be wished."—Congregational Magazine " These are orations, thee are arguments, worthy of rature Very, high and permanent place in ou r Theological Lite .—Eclectic Review. FUROPE COMPANY FOR LIFE AN INSURANCES, the SALE and PURCHASE of ANNUITIES, and ENDOWMENTS for CHILDREN 414 OTHERS- Establi s h e d January, 1819. Office, No. 10) Chatham-Place, Blackfriars. PRESIDENT. EDWARD BERKELEY PORTMAN, Esq. M.P. VICE-ParsibmVr. Sir CHARLES FORBES ; B art. M.p . TRUSTEE& S i' William P. Call, Bart. Peter Still, Esq. 3 611 ,.., 4 Hent, E s q, G. J. Sullivan, Esq. Esq. Thomas Wils on , E sq. emetic Rue, M.D. J o h niRECT oaq. 4 . 13 eat,E,, q. John Ppingd es t re, E sq. an tes ~, Holland,sq. William Sarg en t, E sq. • %I in n as , . Call Es ar `l 3 Frederick Silver, E sq . „. q . Harris, E sq. G. J. Sullivan, Esq. Tiev.* 11 "t" Jervis, Es q . John T liovts, Esq. h. Le Br e t on Edward Wright,Esq. 34,-axAcnia DIRECTOR—JOHN CLARK, Esq. '''tiotTeas---.T. Bent, Esq. J. H. Spurling, Esq. J. Wilson, Esq. 111?"113--Messts. Bosanquet, Pitt, Anderdon, and Co. ' 37 , L om b ard -street ; Sir William P. Call, Bart., Arnold, i tild Mart en, 25, Old Bond -street. 41 . B!eIA N--T. Thomson, M.D., 62, Conduit-street. hi O T.ltlron—Wm. Spik e , E sq. T emp l e. dae s d s - 65 , 111 .14ny continue to effect, Life Insurances at re- P'!enpurns which may he paid Quarterly, Half )l4ll3is ur • of the nriyally, at the option o n Single or joint liven ; and to advance Money h old _ ll3l )Mr,SeCiir e il on Freehold, Copyhold, or long Lease ,;c:r.pri Money . in the Funds. r'-`v 'Annuitants with this Cempany par- Perl - teeny in th 6 profits. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 3. CORN LAWS. The Duke of NORTHUMBERLAND presented a pe tition from the County of Cumberland against any altera tion in the Corn Laws. Similar Petitions were presented by Earl Stanhope, from Kingston-upon-Hull ; by Lord Kenyon, from four parishes in Denbighshire, which he said were signed by different classes of-people; by Lord Redesilale, from Darlington and from Burford ; by the Earl of Rosslyn, from the Noble men, Gentlemen, and Commissioners of Supply of the County of Fife ; by the Earl of Harewood, from Don caster, and two other parts of the County of York. The Earl of HAREWOOD presented petitions praying for an alteration in the Corn Laws, from Northallerton, Bradford, Leeds, Halifax, and several other places in York shire. The Earl of MALMESBURY presented a petition from seventy persons r• iding in and near Andover, complaining of the low price of Wool, and attributing this circumstance to the in3portation of foreign wool. The Noble Earl also moved for a Return of the Average Prices of all Foreign Grain imported into England since 182t1.—Ordered. The Earl of LAUDERDALE moved for some Reports made by Mr. Jacob, of the Corn Office, since 1824. Ordered. Joyce, from the Treasury, presented an account of the duties levied on British woollens in Russia, Pruesia, and other Foreign States, pursuant to their Lordships' orders. Earl STANHOPE presented a petition from certain farmers and other inhabitants of the town of Seven Oaks, Kent, praying that the Winchester measure for Corn might Ile restored,. and,the Imperial Measure be discontinued. Viscount •GODERICH thought it might be convenient if he were to state to their Lordships the course he should .adopt.with regard to the Corn Bill. He should, it the Bill were printed in•time, move the second reading on Monday se'nnigbt, if that day were quite convenient. The Noble Viscount then moved that the Bill should then be read a first time. The Earl of LAUDERDALE stated that it was the old practice .of their Lordships, which he thought it would be better to adhere to, that no notice for the second reading of a 13i11 should be given till after it was printed, and on their Lordships' table. - After a short conversation on the point of order, Viscount GODERICH said he had merely thrown out a suggestion as to what his intentions were, for the con veniency of their Lordships ; and he should wait tiil the Bill was on the Table, before he fixed a day for the second reading. Lord, REDESDALE gave notice that he should, on Thursday next, submit those Resolutions to their Lordships, on the subject of the Corn Laws, of which he had previ ously mentioned, if that day would be convenient. Viscount.GODERICH said that day would, he believed, be perfectly convenient. The Marquis of SALISBURY presented a petition from certain pkwas in Hertfordshire, against any alteration in the Corn Laws. Sir Robert Wilson, and others from the Commons, brought up several private Bills. EXPENDITURE OF GOVERNMENT. Lord ELLENBOROUGH rose to ask the Noble Via couut.opposite, if he would have any objection to grant cer tain Returns which he wished to have ; if he had, he would then give a notice of his intention to move for them. .The Returns were--first, •an Account of the Sfims issued under the head of Secret Service, from the year 1820 to 1827, distinguishing the sum used under this head in each year, and distinguishing the amount issued to each Department of the Government ; also, secondly, an Account of the Expence of the Foreign Office, since the year 1820 till the present time, distin guishing the Expence of each year and the Expence of the Office at home from the expence of Consuls and other Officers abroad, and distinguishing sums paid as Sa laries, &c. Viscount GODERICH replied, that he wished the Noble Baron would give a notice of his intention, as he did not know that there might not be objections to his motion, par ticularly.as to the first part of it. Lord ELLENBOROUGH accordingly gave notice, that he would to-morrow move for these Returns. • CATHOLICS. The Bishop of EXETER presented a Petition from the parish of Whitchurch, against granting further concessions to the Catholics. Similar petitions were presented by the Duke of BEAU FORT, from several parishes of the City of Bristol. Earl GROSVENOR, in presenting a petition in favour of the Catholics, wished to correct, by a few words, a mis statement, which had got abroad, of what he had yesterday said.—He did not say, that he regarded the conversions of which lie spoke as of extreme importance. But he meant to say, and he believed lie did say, that when Catholic Emancipation was agreed to, as it must be ultimately, that then the conversions might he expected to be numerous — that then the country would be tranquil, and the springs of credit flow over the country. Earl GRAY presented a petition in favour of the Catho lict, from Acklow, in the county of Wicklow. Lord ROLLE presented two petitions against the Catho lics, from parishes in Devonshire. His Lordship hoped that all their Lordships would rally round the Throne, and that petitions would he sent in against the Catholics from every town and parish in the country. The Earl of DARLINGTON said it gave him great sa tisfaction to have a petition to present their Lordships in favour of the Catholics, from (we understood) Durham.— He did not complain of undue influence having been used to prevent such petitions, or to get up counter petitions ; but he must be allowed to state, that except for the in fluence of the Clergy, a greater number of petitions like the one he then presented would have been presented. Ile was pleased to have such a petition to present, because lie Was satisfied that the measure Was necessary, not only to the peace of Ireland, but to the prosperity of the empire. He professed his intention, whenever a proper opportunity occurred, to give the claims of the Catholics all the support in his power. On the motion of the Archbishop of CANTERBURY, he Simony Relief Bill was read a second time, and ordered :o be committed on Monday next. Several measures were forwarded one stage.—Adjoiwned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, THURSDAY, MAY 3. Mr. LIDDELL presented a petition from the persons engaged in the Shipping Trade at North Shields, against the existing state of the Navigation Laws. Ordered to be laid on the table, and to be printed. Mr. ELLISON presented a petition to the same effect, from . the Shipown:2rs, &c. of Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Mr. RLTAIBOLD presented a similar petition from the Shipowners of Yarmouth. The proper Officer brought up the list of the Members appointed to serve on the Camelford Election Committee. The name of the Members ballotted were—Mr. -Ralph Benson, Hon. T. Dundas, Hon. F. Ponsouby, Mr. Mo berly, Viscount Lowther, Mr. James Daly, Marquis of Chandos, Lord Brudenell, Hon. W. F. S. Ponsonby, Mr. James Brougham, Mr. E. Rogers, lion. Anthony Maitland, Hon. H. C. Lowther, Mr. WilliaM Holmes, Mr. S. R. Lushington. Mr. HEATHCOTE presented a petition from the Ship owners of Boston, in Lincolnshire, praying for protection to the Shipping Interest. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE presented a petition from the Inhabitants of Frome, in Somersetshire, praying that the Home Manufacturing Trade to the East Indies might be p^t on the same footing as that to the West India Colonies. They also begged the House to take into considerati the distressed state of the manufacturers. Mr. H. GRATTAN presented a petition from the Ship owners of the city of Dublin, against the present System of Free Trade.—Ordered to lie on the table and be printed. SRIPPING INTEREST. General C. ASCOYNE presented a petition from the Shipowners of Liverpool, complaining of the Navigation Laws, observing, at the same time, that the signatures were those of most of the principal merchants, better known to his Right Honourable Colleague (Mr. Huskisson) than to himself, as they had hitherto been his principal sup porters. The Gallant General then rose to bring forward the motion upon this subject of which he had given notice in February last, when he was interrupted by several Mem bers, who requested him to postpone the subject fur a few minutes. Other Members called upon him to proceed, and some confusion prevailed in the House in consequence. • THE. NEW. MINISTRY. Mr. GEORGE DA WSON rose, from .the Opposition Bench, and order having been restored, be observed, that lie had been for some time in anxious hopes of seeing the First Minister of the Crown in his place, that be might put to him a question of some importance. He did not wish to interfere with the convenience of the Right Ho nourable Gentleman, hut at this hour he thought that even the First Minister of the Crown might favour the House with his presence. Mr. HUSKISSON remarked, that he had not had an opportunity of seeing his Right Honourable Friend to-day. If the Honourable Gentleman had apprised the Chancellor of the Exchequer of his intention, no doubt he would have been present.—(Much cheering.)—Whatever might be the inconvenience, as far as respected other branches of the public service, the Right Hon. Gentleman would certainly have been in his place, had he known that it was intended to put a question to him. Mr. G. DAWSON added, that before the ballot he had given all the notice he could of his intention, by stating it to the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Huskisson), He did nut think that there was any fair ground to com plain of him (Mr. G. Dawson) for a want of courtesy in this particular. Mr. HUSKISSON had not meant to complain of the course taken by the Hon. Gentleman. When he (Mr. Huskisson) entered the House, he had certainly been in tlirmed that the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Dawson) meant to put a nuestion to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, but he (Mr. Huskisson) did not think he was thereby called upon to send to his P'ght Hon. Friend. General GASCOYNE again rose, and many Members reqpired him to proceed with his Motion, but the Gallant General said that he would defer it for five minutes. He. _ _ lea' scarcely resumed .Ins seat when Mr. Canning entered the House, and took his place. Mr. G. DAWSON-4 wish to ascertain-from the Right - Hon. Gentleman, the first Minister of .the. Crown, whether any arrangements have been . made, or . are in-containpla tion, for filling up the vacant offices of Master of the Mint, Judge Advocate General and Surveyor-General? Mr. CANNING (in a very emphatic tone)---" Y ea r , . —(Loud and reiterated cheering from all sides.) Mr. G. DAWSON—I confess myself at a loss to under stand the meaning of those cheers--(laughter, and hear) ; —but in order- to bring the matter to a crisis, I tle this opportunity of stating, that I.in•end to conclude by making a motion, and that motion will .be for an Address to his Majesty, praying that he will be graciously pleased to order a copy of the appointment of-the Judge Martial and Advo cate-General to be laid upon the.table. I shall make this motion, for the nrpose of introducing it by some few ob servations. After so long a delay, it would have been de sirable that the House' should know who are the Gentlemen in contemplation to fill up the important offices I have men tioned. We have no information whatever on the subject, and report having been busy, it has gone abroad, as one rumour among many, that the vacancies are to be supplied by Gentlemen who have lately coalesced with his Majesty's present Ministers. If this report be correct, it will form the last act of that political farce which the Right lion. Gentleman has been performing for the last three weeks with such varying success. There is one curious incident in this farce to which I beg leave to advert. I heard the other night in this House, from the Right Hon. Gentleman . himself, that he received six of the resignations of the late Ministers in the closet of his Sovereign. Now, in another place, I heard four of these late Ministers declare, that their resignations were sent in in time for the Right Hon. Gen tleman to have received- them at the Foreign Office. The Right Hon. GentletrasOiowever, asserts--asd I am bound to believe him—thatlin received these resignations in the Royal Closet. -It: dOeif-appear to; rue.: an extraordinary circumstanee, as:;"*. of these resignations were sent in so milk,. Arligkire, as' eight o'clock- in the morning of thy; 10:04- Right. Honourable Gen- , tleman received' f: , :aaad two of them the night before,.that :-the Right Hon. Gen tleman unehe Aliat?'lltatr ea eloset.: - To a man of common and r that this must have been done for ewe lattri*stt they were, in fact, re ceived in due „time at tiar.;roOi ri , Office, and sent to the Royal closet - by the liigliVab4Pentleman, it is not diffi cult to draw, an infirendij.fiCtii the fact. The only info reuce is, that it was calcailatest and intended to make an impression on the RoyalOindAat these individuals had entered into a fac Ali been called a cabal, in order to preVerif Aliso having the benefit of their services: If .lid stpression—and I know not Whether it Wat . . - is another curious cir cuinsta.nce, or rath - 4 ary coincidence, that the same impression aim ateen made upon the public' mind by the public 'Were the Secretary for the Admiralty present, I would not ask him if he had any thing to do with it, nor will - 1 inquire of the Hon. Member for Winchelsea (Mr. Brougham) whether lie had any hand in it.—(Laughter and cheers).—lt is immaterial for me to know how this impression was produced ; the naked fact is, that it was produced on the Royal mind and oil the public mind at the same time, and it forms a curious coin• cidence. I should like, I own, to hear some %atisfactory explanation of the circumstance. But curious coincidences do not end here, and I now come to the immediate subject of my observations. It has been stated publicly, that these vacant places are either to beimmediately filled by Members now supporting his Majesty's Government, who have hither to opposed their measures, or that a provisional arrangement is to be made, and that the places are to be kept open for future accessions, whenever it may please these squeamish Gentlemen to accept office, and the Right Honourable Gentleman to bestow it.—( Hear, hear. )—lt certainly does appgr extraordinary, that this accession of strength to the Right Hon. Gentleman should be acquired at this particular moment, when these valuable situations are to be supplied.—(Hear, hear.) It war stated the other night by the Hon. Member for Winchelsea, in a hold and manly tone, that be had long acquiesced in the views of the Right non. Gentleman—that they had , in fact , no subjects of difference—and that they had agreed upon all points of foreign policy and internal regulation. I have no means of knowing how far he has really concurred with the First Minister of the Crown upon these points; I have no means of getting at secret opinions, and can merely judge from the recorded debates and proceedings of this House. From these sources only can I learn the sentiments of all the Hon. Gentlemen who were lately styled the Opposition, and who have so suddenly become the adherents of the King's Ministers.—(Cheers.) For the last five years, during which the Right Hon. Gentleman has been the Leader of this House, or Secretary for Foreign Affairs, if 1 refer to the Parliamentary Debates, and other authorities of this kind—l perceive that far from their being any ap proximation of sentiment, on every subject but Catholic Emancipation, the votes of these Hon. Gentlemen have been in the direct negative.—(Hear, hear.) Since the declaration of the Hon. Member for Winchelsea the other night, I have taken the trouble to go over the proceedings of the House since 1822, when the light Hon. Gentle man became its leader, and I find that there have been about 94 or 95 divisions. The names of the Members voting on each have been regularly recorded and published t, the world. Among Caem I see the name of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Member for Knaresborough (Mr. Tierney), whom report designates as the future Master of the Mint, no less than forty-nine times in opposition to the present head of his Majesty's Government.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The name of the Honourable Member for Win ' Chelsea occurs fifty times ; pretty good evidence of his constant attendance to resist the measures of Ministers. —(Hear, hear.) The Honourable Member for Wareham (Mr. Calcraft), who has also been pointed out for office, voted in opposition on forty-seven different 'soca.; sions.—(Hear, hear.) An Hon. and Learned. Knight (Sir J. Mackintosh), spoken of by report as Judge Advo cate General, although in ill health, was present on thirty occasions, in order to show his decided animosity to the measures of Government.—(Hear, bear.).—Does this look like accordance, general and particular, does it not rather show that there, in fact, exists no community of opinion among those between whom the retention of office is now to be the only bond of union and unanimity? Excepting on the Catholic Question, there has been nothing like an approximation of opinion; and that subject, the Right Hon. Gentleman himself stated, is to be especially reserved. The Hon. Baronet, the Member for Westminster, has said, that he considers that subject the sine qua non of their junction, but the head. of the Gcvernment had fairly and honourably declared, that it was not to 'be made a Cabinet question, and could not be considered a bond of union.— If, then, this important topic is to be thrown aside, and put out of view, we are necessarily driven to look to other questions of pretended concord, but of real discord, be tween two hostile parties, now' made one amiable brother hood,. will trouble the House by reading over a few of them, and I appeal to the House whether they are tempo .rary matters which have passed away, and regarding which no interest is now taken. Let the House judge from hence if there be not something unnatural and unprecedented in this coalition.—(hear.)—At the head of the discussions which have been followed by repeated divisions during the last four or five years, stands Parliamentary R^form—( Hear). The next question on which a difference of opinion-was ,nost strongly marked, relates to the Pension List. This is followed by Diplomatic Expenditure, on which the de bates were frequent and hostile. The next topic of tnagnitude is the influence of the Crown.(Hear, hear) ; and then, in succession, follow the Sinking Fund, the State of the Criminal Law, Scotch Representation, and the Ad ministration of the Law in Ireland. Another question of severe dispute between the Right Honourable Gentleman and his new friends related to the war between France and Spain—(Hear, hear)—and looking at the variety of subjects of former discordance, how they are now all of a sudden to agree, God only knows. The repeal of the Window Tax, Estimates of all kinds, Courts of Justice in Scotland, the repairs of Windsor Castle—(Hear)—the Church of Ireland, the Repeal of the Assessed Taxes, the State of Ireland, the Colonial Policy, had all afforded op portunities of displaying pertinacious hostility. Will the Honourable Member for Winchelsea pretend to say that these matters are of little moment and temporary interest, which has now altogether subsided? If they have been got rid :of by some new and extraordinary legerdemain, all I can say is, that I cannot comprehend it, and that it will ti ob ably only be understood by those' who have lately fitt much practised it.. If these subjects of differ ence still exist, it is an _inexplicable mystery how certain Honourable Gentlemen can fill the' places they now occupy.—(Hear, hear, hear.)—As I said before, the only bond of union between them is the Catholic 'Question, and it' will , be a gross delusion if that subject be'not now brought forward by some of its advocates. If the Right Hen. Gentleman or his friends neglect this op ' portunity, give me leave to say, they will either betray the King or the Catholics. They have no alternative left, and' they will desert their duty if they allow one week to pass without calling upon the House to come to some decision upon that great topic of discussion.—(Hear, hear, hear.) I have troubled the House more at length than I intended, but I thoughtit necessary, to endeavour to bring the pub lick mind to bear upon this subject, and to let the country knew that, in this extraordinary coalition, both parties have lost sight of every principle that ought to regulate their actions.—(Cheers.)—For one, I have no hesitation in saying, that I look upon the conduct of the First Mi nister of the Crown in no other light than as the 'gratifica tion of his own personal ambition. I have no hesitation in saying, too, however disagreeable it may be for me to say it, and for the Right Hon. Gentleman to hear it—that I do not think he has ever been over scrupulous as to the way in which he has gratified it. As to the other party, the Hon. Gentlemen who have now joined the Government, if they lose sight of the Catholic question—if they abandon it for a single moment—(Cheers, and some laughter,)—they will lose every claim to consistency. If they abandon it, they will do so for reasons which the public will appre ciate, at a moment when three valuable places are reported to be about to be given away to those who by their subser vieuey may show themselves the most meritorious claim ants.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)--They will abandon it when, acecording to report,- other offices are to be reserved for them, to reward their ready but discordant coalition. --(Hear, hear.)—l conclude by moving an Address to the Crown, for a copy of the appointment of the Judge Martial and Advocate-General. Before the Question was put from the Chair, • Mr. BROUGHAM said, I rise to second the motion ni the Hon. Gentleman—( Cheers and laughter.)—The House will believe that, in so doing, while I have yielded to the Hon. Gentleman my place on the other side, and have been guilty, as he contends, of au accession to the forces on this side, I have acceded also to a more than oedinary share of. Ministerial candour. My successors, whonl,3 4 aee with pleasure on the opposite benches, have proved. WegkeelVes, in turn, the most apt learners, I will not say .of all elie tricks and wiles of faction, but at least of all the most eitragrdi nary resources of faction, I have ever yet weir fechseic in that most respectable school—(Cheers.)—Nett, iiVthe course of my experience of opposition, either as ad kriiteur or as an artist, as a bye-stander or as a practicer in my own person, have I witnessed any thing approaching the dexte rity of the evolution of to-day. With matchless skill, not indeed in the middle, but in the exordium of a speech, of a subject of which several weeks' notice had been given by the Gallant Member for Liverpool, the Hon. Gentleman has contrived to interject a motion, not for the sake of a nnoying his Majesty's Ministers, but for the purpose of creating an intercalary debate. Judging, then, of its after performances from the beginning of the new Opposition— be its career long as I might wish it, or short as they may desire it—it is quite certain, that a more violent, a more unhesitating, a more unscrupulous, party never was gotten together, than that which broke ground for the first time the night before last—(Loud cheering.)._ Now, before' I come to what may be called the trifles and incumbrances of the subject—before 1 come to the question which, in the excess of his self denial, the Hon. Gentleman said lie would not address--before I come to my no answer to his no•question, and reply to him in much the same way as he appealed to me, I wish to say a few words on the more important matter with which he concluded. I admire the frankness and manliness of the Hon. Gentleman—(Hear, hear, from General Gas coyne)—as much as the Gallant , General, or the Hon. Member who assists him with au accordant , cheer. His frank proceeding is infinitely better than an ambiguous half-avowed, and half-concealed resistance, because it at once discloses the foot which is meant to carry the Hon. Gentleman back to office, and to kick the Catholics far from Emancipation—(repeated cheering and laughter.) —He declares at once, on the subject of the claims, that he would not wait until converse shall have reconciled more of their opponents, and newspaper discussion en lightened the ignorant, under the peculiarly unfortunate turn which, he complains, the public press of the country has taken ; he will not wait till the Times (not the news paper but the aspect) shall have produced a change : he will not wait until the Post (meaning of course only the letter-bag from Dublin) shall contain evidence of a gradual conviction : he will not wait until the Mail (not the news paper with that title, but the public conveyance with that name) shall have brought tidings to warrant concession ; but lie will leave events to take their course, and in defiance of old trammels, former professions, speeches and pledges, rush at once into the subject without remorse or scruple. He has been but a week out of place, and he finds his situa tion not so agreeable as to make him wish to continue a month out of it, much less for half a year ; and his pru.. dent plan, therefore, is to urge the open friends of the Ca tholic Question to do that which, I verily in my conscience believe, would be fatal to its success.—(Hear. )—There are times and seasons when it is Proverbially awful to take a lesson from the enemy. Let me caution the Catholics who too often for their own benefit have taken lessons from over zealous and indiscreet friends, against taking a second lesson from their opponents, in addition to that of which I warned them a few days ago. The Hon. Gentleman may proffer his advice and tuition—he may give the Catholics all the benefit of his repeated and reiterated instruction, but they are stricken with nothing less than madness if they doubt now that to follow his recommendation would be the total ruin of their interests. Let the Catholics trust to the effects of discussion, of time, of better lights breaking In from various quarters, of their own forbearance (hear, hear), of their own abstinence from orensive topics (hear, hear), and of their rejection of the influence of sus picious advisers. Let them conciliate those who are hostile from honest prejudices, by respecting scruples, of the exist ence of which we have all but authentic information from the Hon. Gentleman on the Bench opposite. Let them hope all from forbearance, moderation, and a conciliatory de meanour : let them eschew the hasty councils of intem perate friends ; but, above all, let them eschew the wily counsels of open and avowed enemies, who, for party pm poses—(reiterated cheers)--throw over the naked def orm ity of the most virulent factious feeling by far the thinnest disguise I ever yet beheld.—(Hear, hear.) Let them eschew the advice of their open, avowed, manly, and honest enemies. ,But when I call them honest enemies, I must add one word, not in qualification of a well-merited epithet, but in order not to let it be supposed , I am admit ting their consistency , when I assert the honesty of my Anti-Catholic adversaries. That I, belonging as it were to the present Government, devoted to liberal opinions, and the constant friend of the repeal of all penal laws af fecting men civilly for religion and conscience sake—that I, naturally impatient to seize every occasion, at all risks, of furthering the great Catholic cause, should not hesitate to involve the country in something like confusion and a tendency to a breach of the King's peace to obtain the object to which I am so zealously devoted, would not be deemed extraordinary; but it is, indeed, strange, that those who have hitherto been always exclaiming, " ior God's sake, do not stir this eternal question," should now be most eager in recommending its discussion. I un not like the Hon. Member, I have not the debates at uiy fingers' ends—l have not his speeches by heart, as he seems to have mine (not because they are less valuable) ; though, like him, out of office I am not out of employ ; I obliged to attend a Court of LaW, and have. not time to dissect the discussions of successive years; but I cannot forget the manner in which they deprecated the agitation of the subject. " Frightful (said they) as concession would he to the Church, horrible to the State, and odious to all good Protestants, there is one thing even worse—the con• scant agitation of the claims." From that doctrine, of course, I differ toto ca'lo, and it might therefore be con sistent in me to precipitate discussion ; but where is the consistency of such advice in those who have always con tended that discussion was even worse than concession? Nothing more monstrously inconsistent was ever, I will venture to say, heard within the walls of Parliament.— (Hear, bear.)—The cry of the Hon. Gentleman now is— " For God's sake, bring forward that vital question : do not delay it for a week !—a little week is too long for me to continue on my seat of thorns, and I have no chance of relief but from that perilous discussion : a little week is too long for me to be excluded from the sunshine of Royal Favour : I have nothing now to do—no employment hut reading the fag-ends of bye-gone debates ; and instead of calculating the budget fur the current year—insteld of summing up' the various items of expenditure ,- and the still more endearing items of receipt—here I sit, - -11' , e a greedy and disappointed bird of prey upon -a bar ren rock, surrounded by those who are in as bad plight as myself—( Hear, hear, and laughter.)—ln the listlessness of inaction, I have been reduced even to the necessity of counting how many times the future Master of the Mint has voted against the First Lord of the Treasury; and how many times the almost-made Judge-Advocate has joined divisions in opposition to the measures .of the' new Cabinet. Driven from my former post to my present pillar, I can' only indulge in a melancholy retrospect of my former hap pinest„ nod endeavour to sow discord among those who either are enjoying the sweets of promotion, or have pro motion to give away. No wonder, then, lam impatient for a fresh debate upon Emancipation—no wonder I cannot allow it to rest for a single month. A month ? Not for a ; You are men abandoned to all sense of honour in public life, the very mirrors of inconsistency, if you do not instantly convulse England, distract Ire land, and fill the whole empire with terror and dismay, by br!nging forward that question, dreadful in itself, but worst of all in its agitation. If you have not abandoned your principles, and sacrificed the Catholics to the sordid love of place, you cannot refuse, instantly, to renew the discussion of the only topic which can give us a chance of once more enjoying the emoluments of office!" Such are the terms the Honourable Gentleman and his ex-friends, in their consistency, employ; and now 1 will say one word in answer to his question, or rather in no answer to his no question. He observed, that he would not ask the Secretary for the Admiralty whether he was the cause of the phenomenon of which he complains, and which lie deplores that the public press of the country has taken but one direction in the course 'of the present dis k cussions. As he would not ask this of the Secretary for the Admiralty—though he might have done so very safely, as the Honourable Gentleman was absent—so he would not put the same to me (the Member for Winchelsea.) In the same liberal spirit that he abstained from the in terrogatory, I will abstain from a response ; but thus much I will say, that it is surely no wonder if those news papers which were formerly in favour of liberal prin ciples should continue to advocate the same side of the question. Such as had opposed that portion of the Government which retired, naturally maintained their opposition to them when out office ; but the wonder is (and that is what seems to gall the Honourable Gentleman and his friends), that that part of the Press, without nam ing any newspapers individually, which used to support the Hon. Gentleman and his co-adjutors when in place, should now either be wholly silent in their behalf, or become ab solute defenders of the late exercise of the King's preroga tive, and of the Right Hon. Gentleman, who, having been selected by his 'Majesty for a particular duty, had been placed in circumstances of difficulty and embarrassment, clearly not of his own seeking.—(Hear, hear.)—With re spect to the discussion of the Press, particularly of the Daily Press, and the ‘articles which had appeared in the papers, whatever may be said' about the extent to whic - .. they lead and influence public opinion, I cannot help be lieving that the press' itself is as much, if not more, influ enced by public opinion ; and from what I have seen of the contents of the most respectable of the papers, and . . from what I have heard from others—Mr I have no time to examine them very"minutely myself—but from all I have seen and have heard of the discussions of the late transac tions, they are such as afford the clearest evidence of a strong opinion of that part of the mass of the public in favour of the late arrangements. My opinion is, that the great mass of the people saw the embarrassing situation in which the Sovereign was placed, and hence those expressions of re gret at the resignation of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary of State for the Home department. On this point the expression of the Press, conformable to the state of public opinion, had been general and uniform. There had been no attack by the Press on that Right Hon., Gen tleman, nor had there been, generally speaking, on the part of the Press, any serious vituperation of the conduct of an illustrious person (we believe he meant Mr. Canning) who is high in the present Administration. But I ant very sorry to say that I find, not from any sentiments in the Newspapers, but from other sources, that an attack had been made in some quarter on the very distin guished individual to whom I allude, whose character belongs to the country, to Europe, and to the world.— For my own part, I do net at all, in general, approve of attacks upon individuals on account of their dealings with the Crown—and I 'say nothing about the motives of such of the late Ministers as have resigned. Perhaps it may not be very strictly correct to say to the Sovereign, " we will not accept office if this or that person is set over us ;". but still, as long as human nature is what it is, men will sometimes do so, and, no doubt, from the most unex ceptionable motives. But, at the same time, if they thought themselves bound in conscience to resign their situations, it would be the summitof injustice towards me to tax me with any blame for my endeavours to bring into the places of those who resigned persons who were able to fill those places, and who might do so without any real ground for the slightest scruple either of honour or conscience. 'What the si tuation of his Majesty? Out of the former Cabinet six had resigned, and it was clearly of the last importance that an Administration should be made up without de _ _ lay, which might be expected to meet the exigencies of the times—a point at present of no common magnitude ; and I do now believe that, after a great deal of difficulty and trouble, an Administration has now been formed well cal culated to restore confidence in our relations, foreign and domestic, and particularly well calculated to conciliate and tranquillize Ireland—a matter of the very last importance. In this hope, I approve of the Administration as at present constituted. I have, for myself, nothing to explain or an swer for ; and for the Right Hon. Gentlemen concerned, they are able to answer for themselves. But this, Low ever, I can say, that never was there in any instance less disposition exhibited to grasp at, or even come into office, than has been shown by those who have lately joined the Administration. Never were there greater difficul ties to be overcome—and here I speak as a witness, and affirm with as much truth and solemnity as if I were on my death-bed, that so far from their evincing any eagerness or disposition to snatch and grasp at office, there were, to my knowledge, a great lir ny difficulties to he smoothed over, scud scruples, w'uch I thought unfounded, to be removed. Their whole conduct was the very reverse of eagerly catching at office. On the contrary, such backwardness and scruples on the most minute matters, even seeming objection, I never saw in my life—recol lecting, at the same time, the arrangements which were it, agitation in 1811 and 1812, and those which were in embryo at a subsequent period. The great difficulty was to get them to listen to any terms whatever ; and it Was with the most unspeakable satisfaction that I myself had been the means of removing many of them. The ut most scrupulousness was evinced, and difficulties perpetu ally started where there were no real difficulties. In short, there appeared such a perpetual raising of difficulties and objections on the slightest grounds, that I at last became weary of removing them, and could not bear to hear of them with patience. So much then for their alleged eager anxiety and desire for office; and if they stood so high upon their principles, and had so often refused office because they would not even appear to compromise them, when they sat on the other side—if these persons will, merely because they have now come to sit on this side, abandon their principles, either upon the question of Catho lic Emancipation or any other important question—it will certainly be the most extraordinary miracle of modern times Cheeritig)...-Then the Hots. ~xorw ard hialist of divisions of all ...,:fosmo politieal--during a long period. If I bad time to apply myself to - the subject, I think I could produce a still greater number, and I, myself, was the occasion, in some measure, of one in 1822, when I brought forward the subject of the invasion of France by Spain. My purpose was, to set the conduct of Fran ce towards Spain in its proper light before this country—before all the rest of Europe—and before all the woad ; and I cannot look back upon my exertions on that occasion without the greatest satisfaction that I ever felt in my life, with the exception of some parts of my profes sional conduct which certainly Ido look back upon with unrivalled satisfaction. On the occasion of that motion respecting the conduct of France towards Spain, I was supported by the House—and I was supported in princi ple by the Right Hon. Gentleman who now holds the situation of First Lord of the Treasury. The only thing which I objected to on that occasion w.., tdrst while the Right Hog. Gentleman and myself eg.- he did not pursue exactly that mode of acting upon it, or rather of speaking upon it, which I would have preferrei. I certainly did express my opinion that the Right lion. Gentleman should have adopted somewhat of a higher tone in his representation about that transaction, but neither nor those who supported me on that occasion went the length of saying that the Right Hon. Gentleman ought to have, at all events, gone the length of declaring war against France for its most unjustifiable aggression upon Spain. We certainly, although powerful, were proportionably mo derate in our oppositicin ; 'and were not sufficiently factious. We have . now, however, got a good factious Opposition, and, I congratulate the country that the ground has been so ably taken—(a loud laugh),--and that the Opposition is now to be conducted in the true spirit of the most factious and unabated asperity ; and then 'to make it the more convenient, it is very small.— (Hear, hear, :and a laugh.)—A large Opposition is too numbrous ; for; when people begin to count divisions by Inindteds on each side, then there is so much moderating and such compromising, that the cause of opposition is :•onsiderably weakened ; and you never see such an Oppo sition spiced with so much exasperation -as to make it suf ficiently factious to iatroduce an entirely irregular debate in the very middle of a discussion regularly ordered for the night. This is reserved for a smell Opposition; and the country is no doubt to be congratulated that now an -Oppo sition is to be conducted on the tree principles-of faction, and be spiced in imeira manner fur to render it exquisitely palatable. But, recurring , to the .41.1setesion which took Ace in 1822, respecting -the, condact of France towards Simi!), 'I must eheerve, that we bad little intention of bring ing the' question toes: - divisiot at all. But an 'Honourable Gentleman who then had something to do with the , Ad ministration, but seldom took a share , in the debate, forced us to a division. ":For,". said 'allude to the Member for Bishop's -Castle—" wo will divide, in order to show your weakness." This, I believe, was the real cause of the division on that oasasion, and so much for that matter. • Now we come to the question of Parlia mentary Reform, and it is quite unnecessary for me to re mind the House that we, who formed the late opposition, were as a body divided upon that question, many being at one time against Reform altogether, who had so far yield however, as to be for moderate Reform, which Major Cartwright and others called mock Reform, but which I cer tainly call by no such appellation ; and several still objecting to any P..fiamentary Reform. It is impossible to say with my appearance of reason or sound argument, that we as a ,ody stood pledged in favour of that question, against which the Right Hon. Gent. at the head of the Treasury, I am ap prehensive, does stand pledged. That we, therefore, who have )een so long divided among ourselves on that question, should m that ground, as a body, refuse to join an Admininistration vhose principles and conduct we approved of in so many rather particulars, would be perfect folly, and injurious to the favourable side of that very question ; it would be in justice to ourselves, and dishonesty to our country. The treat features of the late Administration, after the loss of the late Lord Londonderry, were marked by large views, tud by a liberal and truly English feeling, more particularly in, its foreign policy, • and its conduct with. regard to the rifling States of South America—(hear o—and on the most ut*ent questions respecting trade and manufactures under the conduct chiefly of the Right Hon. President of the Board Controul, the proceedings of that Administration were rounded on liberal and enlightened views, and such as were :Lilly approved in the main by the great body of the Oppo sition. These have been the three cardinal points of the Administration—the large features upon which they have acted ever since the Right Hon. Gentleman now at the head of the Treasury came into the Foreign Office. -Of rheir conduct on these occasions I certainly approved, and I should have been mad, if I had not approved of them, ,; ) r they were propounded by myself, so far back as 1812. There was some interruption after this, when I was out of Parliament—but when I returned again, I resumed the ,ame sub;ect in 1816, and, for a whole Session, was op posed to the late Lord Londonderry, on the point of his rOreign policy ; and, in the year 1817, I proposed my own views to the House, on the question of the policy adopted with respect to foreign Nations, and chiefly South America ; Ind the views which he bad then advocated were com- pletely conformable to those which the Administration acted upon ever since the time of the late Lord Londonderry. may be remembered that I rose and dwelt upon the con duct, or, at least, the very surp;cious aspect of the Holy Alliance, when that • Alliance was nearly formed, or was in the embryo, or the gristle; and the House may well remember how I was answered by the late Lord LOndonderry, on these occasions. When I raised my voice tdainst that Holy Alliance, and stated openly that it wag to be distrusted, and that any junction with it, or support if it, was a disgrace to the English Government, I was treated-as a perfect fanatic, as a seer of signs, and a dreamer if dreams—the very words with which I was assailed. I was told that nothing could be more innocent, more mild, it more harmless, than the union of Russia with other Powers, under this interesting bond and title of the Holy Alliance ! I persisted in the declaration of my opinion, that the combination which then took place threatened 'o be highly dangerous to the liberties and inde pendence of Europe, and of all civilized Nation 4 ; aid events soon proved, that in that opinion I was well founded. But when the Right Honourable Gentleman, who was now at the head of the Tre'sury. came into the Foreign Office, a more liberal ,it.,l view of foieign policy began to be displayed, and .cur 1:lotions with other nations were conducted with more sound and more English feelings. When these principles then began to he Itir eloped as the basis of the foreign policy upon which the Administration was determined to act, the Right Hon. Gentleman had my approbation. On these grOunds the flight Hon. Gentleman has now my - approbation ; and as long as he continues to act upon these principles he has a right to demand my most cordial, zealous, and disinterested support.—(Loud and continued cheering.) Mr. CANNING--I rite, Sir, at present, only to claim that priority of discussion for the preposition which is re ;ularly before the House, which properly belongs to that wbject, and of which the Hon. Gentleman has so irre ularly and iriproperly endeavoured to 'deprive it. The manner in which the Hon. Gentleman has introduced this liscussion is most irregular and improper, and is only au 1 . 3 X fortunate, that this method of proceeding has a ten .lency to work its own cure by the disgust which it ne cessarily creates among all impartial people--(Hear, hear); and the Gentlemen opposite may find, that if their weak ness should make them resort to mere annoyance, our strength will bear them down. The Hn. Gentlemen aro well aware that the priority of discussion this night be longs to a subject, the consideration of which involves scone of the most important interests in the State (the Ship ping interest) : and there was now no question, many people waiting within these walls who feel deeply irate, rested th tt the regular discussion should come on. I .!an assure th.• Hon. Member, that I have no fe. , ling of malice or asperity against him for any thing he may have said oi- insinuated against my own conduct, for I am too old a st:.ger not to have 'stood many an attack—some of them, perhaps, somewhat 'heavier than any charge which the Hon. Gentleman Mi made.--4A- laugh.)—As to any - , uch chargee, When they are tegnlarly and properly brought forward, I shall be prepared to answer them ; but it is sufficient for me to disdain them when they are irregular And improperly obtruded. With respect, however, to one observation relating t 6 myself, I fell the other night into a -light mistake as to the manner hich theresignations had been given in and delivered to his Majesty, and when that , nistake was pointed out, I immediately acknowledged it. As far as the Lord:Chancellor's resignation was concerned, sic Majesty and myself (lid not think that be meant to re :ign at ail ;‘ and I have only to say, with respect to him, that his c,induct has been throughout, in every point of view, unexceptionable. As to the remark of the Hon. Gentleman respecting the patent for a Judge Advocate ly icg the Table, I know not how he can draw any con clusion, except upon the Cambridge principle, that the num . - tiers of the masts and the guns of a vessel being given, you could find out who was the master.—(A.laugh.)—But it will be the better conduct for the Hon. Gentleman to pursue not to press this matter to a division on the present °ovation, but allow the House to go instantly to the real question of the night. - 'Admiral DOUGLAS made some observations as to an insinuation which he conceived the Honourable and Learn ed' Gentleman to have thrown out against a relation of his. Mr. BROUGHAM—I had not the least intention of saying any thing disrespectful against the Noble Relation of the Gallant Admiral. With' respect to that Noble Lord,