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dity. They had, indeed, proceeded on the supposition that the patent was perfectly valid. It had been said that a writ without a patent would give a seat, but a writ upon this patent would be invalid because the patent was only for hfe. Therefore it was argued that the writ would be invalid becanle the patent was valid. He denied that any instance could be found on record of a'person being refused to enter tho.t house in virtue of a writ of summons from the Crown, excapt in the case of a personal and legal incapacity. The course taken by the Government had been taken upon the authority of every high legal writer of the country. It was argued that this power of the Crown had fallen into desuetude and had thus ceased to exist. But this was in direct con tradiction to the well-known dictum, "Nahum tempus occurint regi." He was indeed astonished to hear from the noble earl opposite on a former evening that no prece dents were of any value unless directly sanctioned at the time of the revolution. Why, Mr. Hallam distinctly told us that with the exception of the dispensing power, the power of the Crown was not diminished, nor that of the people extended. Mr. Macaulay's authority was to the wirne effect. He believed that it was more correct to say that every prerogative of the Crown not impugned at the revolution of 1688 was still in force. Lord BROUGHAM said that on going into all the pre cedents and authorities since the previous evening's debate, and examining them in connection with the current history of the time, he had had the doubt which he originally felt with respect to the legality of this most unfortunate step of the Government considerably strengthened. His leaning had been originally in favour of the legality, though cer tainly not the constitutionality of this exercise of the power of the Crown ; but he had now come to the opinion that the creation of a life peerage to give a seat in this house is beyond the royal prerogative, and therefore illegal, accord ing to the law and constitution of England ; that life peer age—to entitle the holder to sit in Parliament—is now and ever has been unknown to the constitution of the country, which has never recognised anything hut hereditary peer age. In considering whether any asserted prerogative ie or is not vested in the Crown, we must go to the exercise of its power by the Crown in past times; and when he was told that user or non-user did he not settle the fact of the Crown's having a prerogative or not, except the fact were auricle; perfectly clear. Precedents of the time of the Plantagenets and Tudors would not weigh much with him as to the Crown's possession of the prerogative. But. the fact was that there was not a single instance of a life peerage being created since the constitution assumed a settled form. The only case which had been dwelt upon much by the other side was that of Sir John Cornewall, 10 Henry VL, which he said had not been got rid of by Lord Lyndhurst. The first answer was that the baronies of Fanehope and Middlomore was conferred by the King, in the presence and with the advice of Parliament, which all lawyers admitted to be equivalent to an act of Parlia ment. But admitting that one precedent had been found in the 10th HenrytVl., was there another case, before or since, in which an attempt has been made to constitute a peerage for life? And, after all, the only ground for sup posing this to be a life peerage was the fact that the patent contained no words of limitation. But if there was here a creation of a life peerage, what sort of times were these from which to draw precedents ? The whole of the his tory of those times abounded with such violent stretches of the prerogative. The Parliament of 1401 was held by writ as usual; but his Majesty directed that no legal man should be elected a knight of the shire, which gave Coke the opportunity of stating that no good law was made thereat. But that was not the only occasion on whichthe Crown had interfered ; for much later, in the reign of Hoary VIII., that monarch commanded a certain person, named Denny, to be elected for a certain borough, and he was returned accordingly. Well, had that right ever bona repealed ? No ; and yet it seemed to be held by the other side of the house, that if you could not point out any such repeal under the House of Hanover or the House of Bruns wick, that the state of things was, talis qualis, just as it was 400 years ago. By the exercise of the royal prerogative in the reign of Queen Elizabeth, one-sixth part of the House cf C0M1116.451 was returned. It was only necessary to refer to these eases in our history to show how little authority was to be placed in such instances of the exercise of the royal authority. He would only remind the house of one other instance to show how little reliance was to be placed on such precedents ; and that was one in which, after the close of the session, the laws passed by King, Lords, and Commons in Parliament assembled, so that in 1832 it be came accessary to pass a law restricting in that respect the royal prerogative in future. The noble and learned lent re viewed at some length the opinions of Coke upon constitu tional questions, for the purpose of showingthat he was not a reliable authority upon such matters. As to preroga tive ceasing by non use, he had shown many instances. What was the very orhein of Parliament? why that seats in both houses should be held by tenure of land, and that system had never been changed by any direct law. As long ago as Charles IL, in the Fitzwalter case, it was bald by the courts that barony by tenure had become obsolete for ages, and therefore could not be revived. So with re gard to the prerogative of creating life peerages, it had not been exercised even in our ruder ages, and had never been even attempted for 410 years. Had they then not a right to say that the present step was an infringement of the constitution ? The prerogative of creating hereditary peerages in no way gave the right of creating a life peer age with a seat in Parliament. Baronies by tenure were not the only prerogatives which had ceased. There were the peerages by courtesy. Husbands of baronesses had claimed the right of being summoned to Parliament in virtue of the baronies of their wives. From the time of Henry IV. to Richard 111., there were no less than 17 of such baronies. That prerogative had been entirely lost. He was bound for all these reasons to support the motion of his Noble and learned friend. If they snpported their undoubted rights, and performed their just duties, they would give no offence to the other House of Parliament, and as to offence to the Crowe he held that to be an im possibility, As the House of Lords never could interfere with the privileges of the House of Commons, hew could that house interfere with the privileges of the House of Lords. Why, such a collision would be a conflict of ab surdity, and therefore he thought it was impossible that it could occur. This was a question which touched the con stitution, and he joined heartily with hisnoble and learned friend in support of his motion. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that on the second Light of a debate en thie subject, it was dieficalt at that time of night to obtain the attention of their lordships. He would, however, state what be considered to be thelaw of the case. The noble and learned lord who introduced the motion had said that he (the Lord Chancellor) had not followed out the ease of the Brandon peerage iu support of his argument. What ho (the Lord Chancellor) had in tended was, that it was not similar to the present one. The ease there was, whether the person created Duke of Brandon was a peremu who could be so created. Why, if there was a law by which a baron of the Exchequer could not be created a peer, then this case would be analogous to that of the Br:olden peerage, and that was his argum en t on the form er occasions. The case of the Banbury peerage, so relied on by the noble and learned lord, occurred in 1660, when it might be said that no regular Parliament was existing. After the Restoration, letters were sent to the peers, and they assembled, and amongst them was this epurions leer' of Banbury. He was an illegitimate son ; and, that being discovered, it was asked by what right he sat. He petitioned the King for a writ, and the Crown itself referred the case to the house. (Hear.) Whet, then, became of that case as an authority ? There was one case which had the semblance of authority, and if he satisfied their lordships that the Crown was the undoubted judge when a writ was issued. He presented a writ on a Wed nesday after the usual hour. It seemed to have been sus pected that he was not the right Earl of Lincoln, for it was ordered that his pedigree should be looked int o , an d w h en that tur ne d ou t t o b e right he was admitted. That Barely was no authority for contending that that house had a right to judg e w h e th er th e Crown should call one of its subjects to assist her there with his counsels. A peer slid not sit there iu virtue of his patent, but of his writ, which he was bound to obey on pain of fine. That being so, slid not that raise a great doubt whether, oven if this patent were illegal, their lordships should s ee k to gat redress by doing that which had never been done since this hones was a house, by refusing to admit one of her Majesty's subjects who came there with her Majesty's writ. Even supposing the patent in this case were bed, Lord Wensleydale could not be in a worse posi tion thee, if he had no patent at all. If a man had a good patent he had a right to a writ of summons; if he had a bad. patent he had not ; but if he had a writ of summons it did not matter whether he had a good patent or no patent at all. Their lordships lied eo more right, if a person not disqualified by statute presented himself at their bar with a writ of summons, to refuse to admit him, than the other house would have to refuse to admit a person who had been returned for Yorkshire. If the Crown issued a writ there was no appeal from its will. Having explained this, which he thought of more constitutional importance than that of the peerages for life—for they were usurging a privilege which did not belong to them—he should merely recapitulate the grounds on which he thought this crea tion was legal. First, the presumption was that the Crown, being the fours taro of honour, might dole it out as it thought fit. Then there was the authority of Coke upon Little ton. Both his learned friends who had addressed them had always spoken as if Lord Coke was no authority on points of constitutional law. But be thought that was rather an extraordinary position to hold respecting the man who was generally believed to be the author of the petition of rights. Then there was the authority of Sel den, of Lord Hale, of Chief Baron C•nryn, of Blackstone, rd . Hargrave, and, though last not least, the late Lord Redesdele, who, in his report on the dignity of a peer, stated distinctly that peerages had been and might be grauted for life. But he was told there had been no in stance's of snob creations. But no one could deny that there had been abundance of creations in the persons of itteiustti es; and it w as i mposs i ble to show that there was any ion in the minsis of these learned judges between peerages conferred ou men •nd on women. But there were other Precedents not oven liable to this ' objection ; for he could see no difference between a ran . t to a man for life simpliciter, and a grant. to a man for life with remainder to . collateral heirs which took effect w as er a e new grant. 'Then it was said that the early peerages gran ted e. l assensu nt or r consensu parliamenti, and that this w a s T rva e to thei r being greeted by act of Parliament. P o se , r however, he by no means admitted. These grants of of Rtzwrcl,rieinot by acts of Parliament. In the last great numb er o f th ese di gn iti es wore granted with the a a s sent of Parli amen t. I n t h e fi rs t year of Henry IV. an act of Parliament was passed, repealing all the acts passed in the last yeer of Richard 11. Upon this the Duke of Nor folk, who bad been created in the last year of the previous talon, supposed that his dukedom was gone, and reverted to the inferior peerage which he previously held. But, on a question arising on this point.some years afterwards, it was expressly held by the lawyers of those days that thee© papers were created by the King in Par liament, and not by the Parliament : that it was the act of the Monarch, and his alone. This, however, was not a point of much importance in the view he took of the question. He then came to the question of the propriety of the manner in which the power in question, supposing it to exist, had been exercised. This prerogative of the Crown might be abused, as every ether prerogative might be abused, but he apprehended that the only check was that of public opinion. He ilid not think it a philosophical way of proceeding to argue from the use to the probable abuse of the prerogative, and it was idle to talk of the probability of a sat of pauper peers, who would never be useful, and who would destroy the character of the house. The only question now to be considered was, wheth er in the even t o f th e exerc i se o f th e prero e a tive, it was not useful at thi s p er i o d t o add to the judicial strength of their lordships' house. He felt bound to oppose the motio n o f the noble and earned lord. The betties then divided, and the numbers were— For Lord 1 4 1 ;1(1hrat's motion Against it . -e Majorit ....... y for the . . ... .............. —35 Theteßae adjourned at 20 minutes past one. HOUSE OF COMMONS. --(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair shortly before four o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The fo!lowing bills were severally read a second time an I ordered to be committed : —Birkenhead Docks, THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, FE . BRITARY 23, 1856. Sittingbourr e and Sheerness Railway, and Stotfl,ll and Lossiemouth Harbour Improvement. Sir J. WALMSLEY presented a petition from a working man in Bristol. He had taken the precaution of inquiring into the character of the petitioner before he presented the petition, and he found he was quite trustworthy. The petitioner stated a pea tion was about to be presented to that house against the opening of the Crystal Palace and British Muieurn on Sundays, and that the signatu res th ere t o were obtained in a most Objectionable manner. They consisted of the names of infants of tender age, paupers and others who were not free agents, and under those circumstances he prayed that a remedy might be adopted to meet the evil, which existed to a very great extent. Mr. BAINES presented a petition in favour of the bill for the abolition of local dues upon shipping. Mr. M. GIBSON presented several petitions from Manchester with a similar prayer. THE NERBUDDA. _ _ _ _ Mr. OTWAYl7egged;(;;;ka question of the First Lord of the Admiralty of painful interest. There some time ago appeared a report in the public prints of the total loss of the Nerbudda, with 130 walls on board. No o ffi cial notification of the loss had been made to the public or the relatives of those on board, and he now begged to ask for any information the Government had on the pubject ? Sir C. WOOD said he had not yet received any official information on the subject, and until he had received that information he thought he should not be justified in making any report on the subject until all hope bad gone. He was sorry to say there was at present all absence of any information. IRISH BILLS. Sergeant O'BRIEN asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland whether the Government would agree to post pone till some early day after Easter further proceeding with the Juvenile Offenders (Ireland) Bill, the Burial Grounds (Ireland) Bill, and the Prisons (Ireland) Bill, inasmuch as several of the Irish members would be ab• sent during the assizes / Mr. HORSMAN said, with respect to those bills, he intended to take the second readings pro forma, and postpone their further consideration unt►l after Rider. COMMUNICATION WITH IRELAND. Mr. GROGAN asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether any and what steps, since the issuing of the minute of the 19th day of October, 1555, had been taken by the Government to facili tate and improve the postal and passenger communication between London and Dublin ; whether the hours of departure from, and arrival at, those cities respectively of the mails, and the time to be employed on the journey, bad been decided on ; whether any tenders for the performance of that service bad been called for by the Government ; whether any tenders for that service had been sent in to the Government ; and what was the present state of negotiations on this subject Mr. WILSON said that communications with the Chambers of Commerce of Belfast and Dublin had taken place with respect to the hours most convenient for the mails to arrive in Ireland. When the answers bad been received, tenders with those hours mentioned would be sent forth. ST. PANCRAS WORKHOUSE. Mr. PERCY asked the President of the Poor-Law Board whether a report bad been presented to the Government on tha state of the St. Pancras or St. Mary lebone Workhouses ; and whether he would lay such report on the table of the house. Mr. BOUTERIE said, that in consequence of reports he had received he felt it his duty to appoint an able medical gentleman to inspect the place. He had within the last week or two received that gentleman's report, and, to use his own words, the arrangements were hor rible—he had sent that report to the parish authorities, and he had no doubt they would speedily remedy the state of things complained of. He would have no ob• jection to lay the report on the table of the house. LOCAL DUES UPON SHIPPING. In reply to an HoN. MEMBER, Lord PALMERSTON said he intended to move the second reading of this bill on Monday. Sir F. THESIGER said, such being the case, he begged to give notiee that, on that day, he should move that the bill be read a second time that day six months. He asked the hon. member (Mr. Gibson) if he intended to bring on his motion for the abolition of the atojera• tion oaths that night ? Mr. M. GIBSON said be hoped the house would permit him to introduce his bill without discussion. He must ask the honourable gentleman if he, and those who acted with him, would allow him to lay the bill on the table, and the second reading on such a day as would give the house an opportunity to consider the matter. At the same time he would ask the noble lord at the head of the Government if he had any objection to that course Lord PALMERSTON said that the Government could have no objection to the course proposed. (Hear.) Sir F. THESIGER said he thought that would be the most convenient course to be adopted. CONTRACTORS' DISQUALIFICATION BILL. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE gave notice that, on the second reading of the Contractors' Di-qualification Bill, he should move its second reading that day six months. EDUCATION'. In answer to a question from Sir J. PAKINGTON, Lord J. RUSSELL said that he proposed to lay on the table of the house his , residution on education on the 6th of March. He should not then ask the house to come to any conclusion on them then, but to adjourn the discussion to a future day. He bad not entered into any arrangement with the Government to give h flu a day, but in the event of peace being concluded he knew of no question of greater interest than that of education, and he hoped the Government would, Vlore fore, give him an early day. ANNEXATIONS IN INDIA. In answer to a question from Mr. OTWAY, Mr. VERNON SMITH said that the state of the kingdom of Oude fer the last SO years had caused much anxiety to theGovernmen', and in consequenceof repreeeis tations made to the G.overnor .(3 en rat oflndir, who sent di spatches to the East India Court of Directo n, and the Government, they had given discretionary powers to Lord Dalhousie. When the correspondence was complete he would lay it on the table of the house. With regard to the feeling of tee people of Oede in fa vour or against the annextion of Onde to India he could give no information. The policy of the Government of Oude bad been to prevent the free exercise of public feeling. Sir E. PERRY condemned the conduct of Lord Dal housie in India. He thought the answer of the President of the Board of Control to Mr. Otway's question unsa tisfactory. He (Sir E. Perry) wished to be able to deny the assertion that had been made against England of making unjust aggressiome in India. Sir J. HOGG defended the conduct of Lord Dalhousie. Mr. J. PHILLIMORE supported Mr. Otway ip putting this question to the President of the Boa►d of Control, and characterised the conduct of Lord Dal housie in India as being influenced with a dangerous spirit of aggrandisement in that country. ST. JAYEES'S PARK. Sir B. HALL gave notice that on Monday next he should move for a seltict committee to consider the means of communication at present existing between those parts of the metropolis north of St. James's•park and on the south and south-west part thereof, and to report thereon. WAYS AND MEANS. The house having gone into committee of ways and means. The CHANCELLOR oC the EXCHEQUER said—Mr . Fitzroy, it now becomes my duty to move certain resolutions in the committee of ways and means, and to lay before the house such an explanation as is necessary for their infnrma tion with reference to those resolutions. The ordinary prac tice in years when pacific relations exist between her Majesty's Geverainent and the Governments of other independent states is, for the Finance Minister for the time being to lay before the committee one financial statement comprising the revenue and expenditure for the preceding year, together with the estimate of the receipts and expenditure for the ensuhag year. That practice has been foetid from experience most c mvenient to the committee, inasmuch as it places before them at a single view the finances of the two years under consideration. I should have been glad if it was in my power to follow that practice ou the present occasion, but the circumstances in which the country now finds itself have left MO no option. War imposes necessities upon senates no less than upon generals in the field, and renders a deviation from the ordinary path of procedure imperative. The statement which it is uty duty to submit to the committee tbis even ing will be confined to the financial position of the present year, and will not trench upon the revenue or expenditure of the year which is to commence upon the Ist of April next. And this course is not upon the present occasion unattended with advantage. For although in some respects it would be more satisfactory to the committee to have but one financial statement in the session —still, consider ing the great efforts which the country has made within the last year—considering the great expenditure which these efforts have occasioned, it may be satisfactory to hear, at an early period, the state of our revenue and expenditure. Un certainty upon a question of this sort must be attended with inconvenience : for it engenders apprehension iu friendly quarters, as well as hope in unfriendly quarters—both of which, as I expect the committee will conclude from any statement, would, in the present instance, be equally ground less. I will now, with the permission of the committee, re call its recollection to the statement which I made last ses sion in bringing forward the budget of the year. The en venue, including the new taxes, I estimated at 67,339,0001. The loan was taken at 16,000,0091., besides which there was an estimate for Exchequer supply bills of 3,ooo,oool.—thus making altogether an estimated revenue for the year of 86,339,000/. The expenditure, as I estimated upon the same d occasi on , i ncluding the payment of 1,000,0001. ways means bills on account of the preceding year, and the 1,000,0001. loan to Sardinia was 81,899,0001. The differ ence, therefore, between tho estimated revenue, anti ex penditure was toe 000/., and was the amount of the margin I allowed myself ; so that if the expenditure and , revenue had been equal to the estimate, there would be on the Ist of April next a surplus of 4,400,000/. However, in the supplementary statementwh m ic y h fo l rm m e a r do cal o c n ula th u e on 2d pe o rt f August, I stated that having in down the total ways and means of the year at 86,339,0001., since that I had abandoned the s t amp duty on bankers' cheques, calculated to realise a sum of 200,0001. That, there fore, would reduce the estimated revenue for the year to 86 , 13 9,0001., and the estimated surplus to 4,2 40,0001. Now, 1 the committee will doubtless remember certain supplemen tary estimates for the military services were afterwards voted, amounting to 6 ,135,000/. Well, adding that to the Previous estimate of the expenditure—namely, 81,999,000/., we have a total estimated expenditure of 88,134,0004 To meet this ex penditure there was the estimate of ways and means tit i 86 , 139,000/. But the committee then consented to an ad di tional grant of Exchequer-billaand Exchequer-bonds, in ~,„„ sequence of the increased expenditure amounting t 04,000,01 NJ& , making the total provision for the year 90,139,0001. Well ,the increased expenditure being 8 F5,134,000/., there consequt mtly remains a marginal surplus of 1 !,105,9001., according te the last estimate submitted to the committee. This surplus • was, in a great measure, required to restore the balance of re venue and expenditure, the former having been assisted at the commencement of the yestr by the issue of bills to • the amount of 1,700,000/. I now come to state to the commiti ee how far that estimate has been verified by the result. We are not very far from the cud of the last quarter of the year, rind the statement which I am now about to read includes the ac count of the revenue and expenditure up to a late day, and contains also an estimate for the remaining portion of the quarter gathered from authentic sources, and may be relied upon as likely to be accurate. In the estimate which I made last year the Customs were taken at 22,450,0001.; while the receipts, so far as can be estimated, will only reach to 21,600,000/., showing a deficiency of about 85),000/. below what was estimated. The produce of the Excise was put down at 17,921,0001., while the result only showed a return of 16,860,00 C/., the deficiency thus amounting to 1,061,0001. , The estimate of the stamp duties was 6,815,0001., the actual receipts amounting to 6,930,0001., being an excess of 115,0001. For " taxes" the estimate was 2,902,0001,, while the produce was 2,950,0001., showing a small excess of 34,0001. The property tax was estimated to yield ; 14,535,0001., it actually producing 14,726,0001., an excess over estimate of 191,0001. The result of the estimate on ac count of the Post-office has not been very satisfactory, for while the returns from this department were put down at 1,433,0001., the result only realised the amount of 1,111,0001. showing a falling off of 297,0001. From the Crown lands the receipts were estimated at 260,0001., while the miscellaneous receipts were put down at 800,0001.; they yielded, however, an amount of 1,100,0001., or 300,000/. in excess of estimate. The total result, therefore, with regard to the financial return of the year is this, that while there has been an estimate of 67,139,000/., the actual receipts have only amounted to 65,567,0001., there being, an excess in some branches of 635,0001., and a deficiency upon others of 2,280,000/. Th e l oan produced 16,000,0001.; the issue of Exchequer bills and Exchequer bonds for 7,000,0001. nearly realising the amount. So that the total estimated revenue for the year, including both land and taxes, was 139,0001 , while the actual receipts will be 88,593,0001., showing altogether, in round numbers, a deficiency of 1,600,0001. That, sir, is a complete statement of the comparison between the estimate and the actual re venue for the year. With regard to the expenditure : the expenditure on account of the interest of the debt was nearly, as was estimated, 27,3 8 4,0001,—0ther charges upon the Consolidated Fund amounting to 1,000,000/. The esti mates on account of the army, navy, and ordnance amounted to 49,812,000/., while the actual expenditure has been 51,61 ,000/. - showing an excess of expenditure over estima'• of 1,800,0001. The estimate on account of the civil service was 6,506,0001.—an excess of 100,0001. over the estimate. The interest on Exchequer-bills; owing to the increased rate, has been 60,0001. over the estimate, which was 590,0001., the amount paid being 650,0001. The actual loan to Sardinia has been 1,000,0001. The grand result, therefore, is this—while the total estimated expenditure for the year has been 88,340,0001., the actual expenditure will be 90,200,0001., or 1,860,0001. in excess of estimate. Therefore the exact result is that the state of the revenue is worse that what it was estimated to amount to by the sum of 3,560,0001. Now the main cause of that deficiency is owing to the article of sugar. An increase was made last year in the duties upon sugar aid coffee. With regard to tea and coffee, the results nearly cor respond with the estimate. It does not appear that the addi tional duties imposed upon these two articles of foreign and colonial produce have materially diminished their eoasump ton. Indeed, with regard to tea, the consumption has in creased, for while the quantity entered for consumption in 1853 was 58,860,0001 b., in 1854 61,970,0001 b., in 1855 the quantity amounted to 63,454,0001 b. With regard to sugar the result is different—owing to the short importations of that article. The importation of sugar in 1853 was 317,000 tons, in 1851 389,000 tons, while in 1855 it only reached to 281,000 toms, the deficiency, as I before said, being caused by the shortness of the supply of the article. With regard to the Excise almost the whole of the defi ciency is ascribable to ose cause, and that is to the insuffi cient produoe of the duty upon spirits. Several causes have tended to that result; and first it was owing to the large drawback upon the malt, in consequence of the changed mode of taking that duty; secondly, to the sacrifice of the duty upon certain articles manufactured from spirits. The main cause, however, is ascribable to the high price of corn prevalent during the present year; for, as the committee may be aware, since the 15th of September last the average price of corn has been 755. per quarter. Bat there was another cause which influenced the price. I allude to a circumstance which was found beneficial to the distilling trade, and which greatly enhanced the demand of barley. I mean the great increase which had taken place last year in the expor tation of British spirits in consequence of the extensive failure in the wine crop on the Continent. The great diminution of the wine crop on the Continent not only diminished the quality of wine, but also of brandy ; and this circumstance had, therefore, led to a large ex portation of British spirits, in order to supply the void thus created. The spirits thus exported were not, of course, subject to duty, and therefore yielded nothing to the revenue, Under the head of stamps there was also a loss, as was esti mated, last year of about 220,0001. on newspapers, in conse quence of the alteration which took place in reference to the stamp. That loss was, however, to a certain extent compen sated by the Post-office revenue, arising from the newspapers passing through that establishment with the impressed stamp upon them. Nevertheless, on the whole, the Post-office re venee shows a diminution. The direct taxation—the property tax and the assessed taxes—are more than they were estimated to be. In regard to the expenditure, the increase on the ex penditure is 300,0011., owing to the supplemental estimates, which were either voted in the present session or are now upon the table of the house. These votes are as fol lows :—ln the Ordnance the deficiency of the grant for 1855-56 is 646,000/. That estimate is still under the con sideration of the committee of supply. With regard to the navy the excess already voted is 204,982/. The total supplementary military and naval estimates voted or to be voted in the present session, without referring to the current year, is 1,631,0051. I will now state to the commit tee how much of it would have been incurred in an ordinary year of peace, and how much must be set down to the extra ordinary cause in operation: I have made a comparison be tween those twe calculations, which I think will make the matter somewhat clear to the committee. The peace expendi ture for military purposes, for our army, commissariat, navy, ordnance, and including that for the Kafir war, for the 22 years preceding the war, amounted U . )30.984,0001. The present iv. . r bad lasted 223 months, and taking the entire expenditure dur ing that time, the amount was 74,519,0 1 0.1. The difference be tween these two sums is 43,564,0001. That, therefore, is the sum, as nearly as it can bo calculated, which the war has cost this country. I believe that that sum includes everything appertaining to the military expenditure of the country. The result of the statement I have now submitted to the committee is, that we find ourselves at this moment in the position of being something more than 4,000,0 'O/. deficient of the sum estimated in the last session of Parliament. The margin, which I originally reckoned at 4,4u0,0001., would, as nearly as possible, have loft the expenditure and the re venue at the end of the year without any certain reserve or surplus. The resolutions which I mean to place in the hands of the chairman are for the purpose of enabling the Govern ment, with the consent of the house, to place the finances of the country for the present quarter in the position in which they would have been placed if the estimates of last year had been verified by the result. The excess in the deficiency of the revenue leaves about 4,000;000/. to be provided for. I will, therefore, submit to the committee a resolution for the supply of 5,00e,0001., which will amply provide for the service in the present quarter, and which will leave I same surplus to meet the immediate demands in the ensu ing finaucial year. Sir, the entire sum which has been already borrowed in the present year is composed as fol lows—namely, of a loan amounting to 15,000,0001., of 6,000,000/. of Exchequer-bills, and 1,000,0001. of Exchequer bonds, making altogether 23,000,0 1 41/. To that sum will be added—if these resolutions receive the assent of the commit tee—a further sum of 5,000,00u1., which will make altoge ther within this year, raised by loan, a stun of 28,C00,000/. of increased ex ientliture. Sir, lam well aware of the great di , - adv intage of imposing so large and so new a burden upon the Exchequer as the sum I have just stated ; but in considering the magnitude of the new burden we should not allow our selves to be disheartened. We must not suppose that we have thereby in defraying the expenses of this costly and gi gantic war—that we have loaded the springs of industry in this country with a burden whieh is likely to crush them. We know the apprehensions which in former years were en tertained with regard to the successive additions to the na tional debt, Those fears have been explained in a passage of a work which most of the members of this house no doubt have read with instruction and with pleasure, I allude to Mr. Macaulay's recently published volumes of the " His tory of England," in which he illustrates the origin of the national debt. (Hear, hear.) After showing the usfounded alarms which some of the very greatest writers of the last century —persons profoundly versed in the most advanced doctrines of political economy—having illustrated the alarms and apprehensions which they entertained, he proceeds to make the following remarks :—" A long experi ence justifies us in believing that England may in the 20th century be better able to bear a debt of 1,630,000,000/. than she is at present prepared to meet this loan ; but be this as it may those who predicted that she would sink under 50,0)0,0001., under 80,000,000/., under 140.000,0001., *der 240;000,000/. and lastly under 800,000,0001., were beyond all doubt, under a twofold mistake ; they overrated the pres sure of the burden, and then underrated the strength by which that burden was to be borne." Sir, the circumstances of the country at present show clearly that we should com mit a great error if, it the words of Mr. Macaulay, " we un sierrated the strength by which the burden is to be borne." I will, by the permission ofthe committee, call attention to a few facts, which show how little the general trade and resources of the country have suffered, notwithstanding the great efforts which have been made to carry en the war. I will first ask attention to the subject of exports. The total value of British and Irish produce exported was, duriugthe year 1853, 93,933,000/ ; in 1854, 97,184,000/. ; and in 1855, 97,364,010/. —showing, therefore, a very slight diminution in the value of exports since 1853, which was a year of unusual speculation both in Australian and American produce. There was a great 4iminution in the exports in 1855, which was not, however, dire to the countries which would be naturally affected by the influence of war, but was due to the trade with Australia and Am erica. In 1854 the value of our exports to Australia was 11,734,000/. ; in 1855 it fell to 6,279,000/. The value of the exports to the United States was in 1854, 21,410,000/. ; in 1855, it was only 17,312,0011. These facts again showed that the falling off' of our exports, then, was not traceable to the war. I will now trouble the committee with a statement in regard to our shipping. The tonnage catered into the ports of the United Kingdom leas, in 1853, 7,797,000 tons ; in 1854 it was 7,899,000 tons; and in 1855, 7,013,000 tons. With regard to the ships cleared out 1853 it was 7,583,01)0 tons ; in 1 8 54 , 7,817,000 tons; in 1855, 8,348,000 tons. The numbers of ships built were, in 1853, 798 ; in 1854, 803 ; and in 1855, 1,098. I will not trouble the committee with following out further details. What I have already stated mast, I think, prove, in the words of her Majesty's Speech, that " the resources of the country are unimpaired." With regard to the question as to the defraying the expenses of the war from a loan or from taxation, it must be borne in mind by the committee that the war expenditure is of necessity, to use the language of political economists, unproductive. The character of a war expenditure belongs equally to the revenue raised by loans and by taxation. Of the amount I have stated of the war expenditure, beyond 40,000,100/. has been raised in one year by taxation. For tire most part that was expended in an unproductive man ner, and had left so traces behind. We had bequeathed nothing durable to posterity. There would have been the same difference whether we had defrayed the cost of the country by loans or by taxation. Sir, the resolution I am a bout to ask the assent of the committee to will, if acquiesced enable the Government to raise the sum of 5,000,1100/. by a loan. That loan has been arranged upon terms which I trust will be considered, looking to the present price of stooks, as advantageous to the nation. The price has been 90 in the Three per Cent. Consolidated Annuities. This, think, will be considered ou the whole a fair price. In audi tion to this resolution I shall also have to submit certain re solutions in respect to the funding of Exchequer-bills. Ex chequer-bills, from various causes, have been at a consider able discount since last autumn. A partial increase has been made in some instances cf a halfpenny, and in other instances of a farthing, which produced for a time some results, but which did not permanently keep them up at Par. It therefore became necessary for the ex ecutive Government to resort to one of two expedients—it was necessary either to fund the Exchequer-bills or to in crease the rate of interest upon the Exchequer-bills in circulation. The process of funding Exchequer-bills is simply the converting of one kind of security into another. It is not the creation of a new deb':,, but the changing of the debt represented by E xc h equer -bills into a debt represOited by I.erpetual annuitiee. Well, sir, the amount of Exchequer- to penalties--which penalties were commonly not levied. bills which it is proposed to fund is 3,000,00)1. If the re- Even when they ere levied, would the flue find shoe,, clothes, suit of that operation be the means of bringing the rest of and supplies for our soldiers, our horses, or our artillery ? It the Exchequer-bills up to pay, it will be found to be a most is poor consolation under such circumstances to know that a advantageous arrangement. I do not know whether the com- mittee wish to be informed of the timber of Exchoquer-Lills issued last year. The total amount of Exchequer-bills now eutstamli•ig is '23,930,600/. The amount, however, in the hands of the public may be taken at about 17,0)0,000/. The rate.of interest, is equal to 31. 163. per cent. Assuming that the measure I am about to submit should succeed in raising the price of Exchequer-bills the amount of about '20,000,900/. being at par would be a saving to the public of about 193,0001. per annum, as compared with tho alternative of the raising of the rate of interest. The total amount of outstanding bills is 23,000,0001. The annual interest is 1,053,0001. It might, perhaps, become possible, by straining the powers of borrowing entrusted to the Executive Government, to provide for the deficiency of 4,0:0,0001. for a little time longer. liut the powers of borrowing committed to the executive govern- fine has been levied. The report of Sir J. M'Nicl and Colonel Tulloch, the commissioners sent to the Crimea, states that while soldiers had to pay for their shoes, they were unwilling to purchase them from the public stores ; the soles came off, and the leather was bail. Similar complaints were made as to the quality of the clothing, which was quite unfit to stand the rough work of the trenches, and was utterly inferior to the quality of the French clothing. This arose from the prin ciple of buying in the cheapest market what was cheapest. A man who paid Ss. for, a pair of boots that lasted a month, bought them detrer than one who paid Us. for boots that lasted half a year. The Government were not to blAine. The inspector of clothing could sot examine 40,100 pairs of boots and shoes. He turned them over to his subordinates. Much fraud was thus practised ; many of those who had the power of passing goods were open to gratuities, and bad goods were ment have been confined within narrow limits by the wise jealousy of former parliaments. Their whole power of borrow ing is limited to the issu ng of deficiency bills to be made charges on the Consolidated Fund, which must be repaid iu the quarter, and also to the issuing of ways and means, ap plicable only to the public services, and which must be paid off in the subsequent quarter. Beyond that the Executive Go vernment are whollyunable to raise a single shilling by borrow lug. They cannot issue a single Exchequer bill, they cannot sell a perpetual annuity without the consent of Parliament. I am aware that there are some persons whose imagination takes fire at the idea of a loan to be raised. However much they may be disposed to blame even the limited extent of this loan, I think, upon consideration, they will be of opinion that the course taken by the Government is on the whole a prudent one. All, therefore, I propose to do by the present resolution is, to ask the committee to place the Go vernment in the sansi position as if an extraordinary expen diture had taken place in the present year, and as if no ex traordinary circumstances had arisen in the high price of food and other contingencies had not occurred to diminish the weight of taxation. Sir, if these resolutions should meet the approbation of the committee, the Government will after wards ask the sanction of Parliament to provide ample ways and means for the ensuing quarter. We shall then be able to judge how far the negotiations new proceeding in a neigh bouring country are likely to terminate iu a safe and honour able peace. If, happily, they should lead to that issue, the Government will have the power deliberately to consider the state of the revenue, to revise the estimates, and to calculate what will be necessary to meet the expenditure of the follow ing year. If unhappily, however, these negotiations should not tarmivate as we must all desire, and that we shall not have such a peace as would cement the interests of Europe in a lasting and solid mauuer, it will then be the duty of the Go vernment to appeal to this house to place them in a position in which they will be enabled to meet the large estimates for warlike purposes that will be in such a case required, and to continue the struggle in which we have been engaged during the last year. Having submitted this explanation to the com mittee, I will now move, sir, the resolutions which I have placed in your hands. The CHAIRMAN then put the first resolution, which was one empowering the Government to raise a loan of 5,000,0001. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said it was quite clear they had incurred the.paymeut of a heavy bill, and he was not aware the Government could have resorted to a better mode for its liquidation than that proposed by the Chancellor of the Ex chequer. Mr. W. WILLIAMS . objected to the mode adopted by the Chancellor of the Exchequer for raising this money. It would have been better had the right honourable gen tleman raised this money by a loan, receiving the sterling for every 11. of debt, whereby they would have reduced the amount of interest to be paid on the sun borrowed. He ob jected to their entailing a portion of this debt ou posterity, and considered it a very unwise course to adopt. The debt of this country by Government following out that course would increase to such an amount, that the people would be unable to bear it, and the consequence would be the endan gering the institutions of the country, if it did not affect the Throne also. Mr. JAS. MACGREGOR thought that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had adopted a prudent and judicious course— (hear)—and as • to what the hon. member for Lambeth had said about Mr. Macaulay turning prophet, he (Mr. Macgregor) would remind the hon. member that he had himself indulged in prophecy as to what the effect-of the present system would be inyespect to posterity. (Hear.) Mr. WILKINSON was of opinion that posterity would not have much reason to complain at the rate at which the Chancellor of the Exchequer was raising the required funds ; and the fact that the right hon. gentleman was able to procure money at 31. 6s. Bd. was strong, as showing the confidence capitalists had in this country being able to meet all her engagements. (Hear.) Mr. GLADSTONE said that the measure was one that left them but little discretion, and at the same time with little with which to find fault. Considering the limited amount re quired by the Government, he found no fault with the course pursued by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He thought hon. members would leave the house with a false impression if they believed the war had cost no more than that stated by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He (Mr. Gladstone) un derstood the Government had borrowed 28 millions during the present year, and now, by raising 5 millions on loan, and funding 3 millions of Exchequer-bills, they were adding 9 millions sterling more to it. He did not consider the compa rison made by the Chancellor of the Exchequer to show the cost of the war a fair ono, and when they came to consider the large amounts that were due, and contingencies arising on an extension of their military system, and the effects of war generally, they would fled that the country had expend ed considerably more than 45 millions on this war. With regard to the statement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that a wise jealousy on the part of the Parliament had con fined the borrowing powers of the Government within narrow limits, the result had been to show a very unwise liberality and great carelessness on the part of the Government in en trusting t) the executive the powers of borrowing by an in direct process. He intended, kid before he left office, to have introduced a bill still further limiting the borrowing powers of the Government; and lie hoped that when they had concluded an honourable peace the right lion. gentleman would turn his attention to that subject. Mr. P. URQUHART having addressed the house, The resolutions were agreed to. The house then resumed. „ SUPPLY. On the motion that the Speaker do leave the chair, Col. DUNNE complainedthat no information had been fur nished respecting the Ordnance estimates. All that could be ascertained was that the salaries of the officers had been in creased euortnously in certain departments but the duties bad been most inefficiently performed. With regard to the accounts themselves he dial not believe it would have been possible to cramso much confusion into so few sheets of paper. It was a perfect Balaklava, with Turkish, German, and Italian 1 accounts all mixed up together, without order or method. 1 Toe extravagance that was exhibited in the War Department was perfectly monstrous. In 1 52 and 1853 that department cost only 101,1441., whereas for 1856-7 the estimate was 169,0661., thus showing a loss to the country of about 1 67,0001. The present system of clothing was the most expen sive, extravagant, and absurd system in the whole world. Instead of the old system of placing the responsibility of cloth ing the troops upon the colonels, the Government had adipted a system of contracts which they could not carry out, and it was to be hoped that this question would be referred to a committee of inquiry. It was impossible for the Govern ment to undertake the clothing of the army, and there would be great loss to the country' in making the attempt. Right honourable gentlemen opposite believed that the French system could be introduced into our service, but that was out of the question. Our army was too small, and the men were not ready to turn their hands to any ' thine as the French were. (The ho ‘ourable gentleman then detailed the system of clothing adopted in the French service at considerable length). For the British Government to un dertake a manufactory for clothing our army, . would require an out'ay of about 48,0001., for manufactories, and the saving proposed, even if it could be effected, would not cover the interest of the money advanced. But it was quite impracticable, and the only sound plan was to have it done by contract with respectable tradesmen, giving the colonel the responsibility of seeing that the contracts were properly performed. The present system, however, had• been pushed to a dangerous excess 'in the endeavour to get contracts at the lowest possible price. For instance, when the Land Transport Corps wanted trousers, a highly-respect able firm tendered for them at 235. a-pair, and they were to make up cloth worth Bs. a-yard. But another tender came in for 18s. which, without ceremony, was accepted. What was the result ? Cloth worth not more than ss. sd. a-yard was used, and the work was so bad that the Government were ashamed to serve them out ; and if they ever were served, it must be with a compensation to the men, The saddlery for the German Legion, which was alluded to the other night, was another instance of similar bad management. The horses bits, too, were all bad, and it was said this was because they were of galvanised iron. But that was not the reason at all ; the truth was they were all cast instead of being wrought iron, and snapped directly. The remedy for all this was not to institute GOvernment • establishments, but to see that proper contracts were made, and those contracts pro perly performed, Only recently a contract had been made for rifles, and 20,0001. advanced to an unsafe firm, and but for tho activity of an officer in the department, who went down in great haste, and was fortunate enough to secure a mortgage on the factory, the whole of this money would have been lost, and the rifles most likely have gone to the Russians. The estimate for the Government factory for making firearms there was an item in the estimate sufficient, at the present contract prices, to furnish 200,000 stand of arms. But lead we got them? It was notorious that our forces were deficient of rifles. It was very proper Oki that the house should know whether all the men asked for were enlisted, or only expected to be. We ought, from the estimates, to have 264,000 men in what was called the British army, and he wished to know whether we had them ? He should like information of the same kind respecting the German Legion and the Militia, be cause be bad heard recently that a regiment of militia had been disbanded because its number was not complete. Foreign. Legions were the most expensive troops we could have. There had been already 778,0001. expended for German and Italian troops for which no equivalent had been received, and if the war ceased to-morrow, that money would all be entirely lost. There was 300,0001. also for the Turkish con tingent, without any details at all, and 93,0001. for clothing, besides other items, making nearly half-a-million for a force that will never be of any great service, while their officers were most extravagantly paid as compared with our own. The most monstrous item of all, however, was a million and a quarter for the Land Transport Corps, and 400,0001. for animals, when it was notorious that the want of this body was the cause of all our disasters. Whoever was responsible for the want of that transport service was responsible for all the evils we suffered in the Crimea. (Hear.) The hen. and gallant colonel, thee, after alluding to the bad quality of the huts, and denouncing the present system of war appoint ments, by which most incompetent persons were placed in the highest situations, purely 'from family connexions, con cluded by moving that the estimates be referred to a com mittee. Mr. MONSELL said that the greater part of his hon. friend's speech referred to matters that he could only reply to in committee on the votes. As for the Government clothing the army, such an idea had never crossed the brain of any of her Majesty's Ministers. The only statement that he would formally contradict, however, was that of the ineffi ciency of the army appointments. There never was an army in the presence of an enemy better fed, clothed, and disci plined than our own at this moment. It certainly was the very last thing he should have expected the hon. and gallant colonel to have stated that the recent appointments were un satisfactory. Mr. J. L. RICARDO said the existing deficiencies, of which much had been heard lately, were chiefly owing to what might be termed the open tender system. It required some perseverance indeed to ascertain what the Government system was; for in some cases contracts were made without tenders, in other cases large orders were given without con tracts, while in others the open tender system was adopted. The clothing department that had been alluded to by the hon. member opposite (Col. Dunne) was a fair type of that system. Ho has to send in a sample, and after the sample all the clothing was to be made. Who was the judge? Why the director-general of clothing—a most excellent man—but no judge whatever of cloth. The system leads to this—that men tendered upon chance upon being able to deceive the in spector. This respectable tradesmen would not do ; and the respectable men were thus driven out of the trade altogether. The contractors were sometimes found out, and were liable passed accordingly. When the expenditure of the country was at the greatest it should be administered with the greatest economy. Lord PALMERSTON appealed to the house on the incon venience of the course pursued by the honourable member. who had just sat eo vu. It was quite obvious that if mat ters of detail—i: a tors which should properly be dis cussed in committee —were thus brought forward on the motion that the speaker leave the chair—that those whose duty it was to bring forward measures of this kind, hat • ever replied to any hon. member—were compelled to be eileut for the rest of the evening, and were unable to give that information for the very purpose of affording which they were asked to go into committee. If his right hon. friend was to give an answer to all the details thus brought under dis cussion, he would have to anticipate all the remarks which lie would have to make in committee,. The hon. gentleman who spoke last had made a speech which he had intended to make on a motion of a committee of inquiry, for hich he had given notice, and to which the Government were prepared to assent, and which that very evening he had saf, that if not himself in his place, he should ask an hon. friend of his to move for him. It was sufficiently inconvenient to discuss matters of detail of army estimates, on the motion that the Speaker leave the chair, when his hen. friend could make no reply ; but it was atilt more inconvenient to hear a speech on army clothing at a time when those whose duty it was were unable, by the forms of the hoerse, to give any expla nation. He (Lord Palmerston) had been long in that house, and had had some experience iu it— and it was strange to see how, on some subjects, it vibrated and oscillated from side to side. At one time, if anytbin g was specially urged upon tho GovernMent, it was the ieery mode of supplies reads by open tender. Nothing was 'more constantly urged by his lamented friend, Mr. Hume, than this, as the only mode of procuring things good and :procuring them cheap. The instances quoted of supplies not good in their kind were not fairly quoted. They had to be ob tamed under a sudden emergency, and were not obtained by. contract or tender. It was when, by the misfortune of a great storm, supplies were lost which it was urgent to replace in I my manner that offered itse:f. At all events, a system which hat 1 only been in force from June last, should not be judged by what occurred a year and a half ago. He would put it to the house if it was not for their own convenience to permit the Speaker to leave the chair ? Colonel NORTH said he thought it was understood that they were not to go into the estimates. Lord PALMERSTON slid that what his right honour able friend had stated was this : that they were proposing to take votes ou account, and that it was competent to them to discuss those votes, butes the votes must necessarily come again before the house, there wo uid be another oppor tunity for discussing them. Sir DE LACY EVANS said that these were very compli cated estimates, and that only 36 ho urs had been given for their consideration. This was sharp practice, and the leaders of the Opposition bench had abandoneal their position, and the only chance lay in the feelings of the Government as to • what was duo to the country. He repeated. that it was sharp prac tice the bringing the votes forward after only having been circulated for 36 hours. The country would not approve of such a proceeding. He conceived that this was a very impor tant occasion. They were about to vote estimates in the un certainty of peace or war, on a new plan—ordnance, army— all mixed together. He ought to kucew something about the matter. He did not want to interrupt - the forms of the house. He protested against these estimates—pra-eminently and without example important, such as heel not been brought for. ward for 40 years—being brought fervrard at 36 hours' notice. Mr. W. WILLIAMS said, tint with all the diligence he could use he had not been able even to read the estimates through. There were many millions having no reference to the war, and ho protested against such proceedings. He should move that the estimates be deferred till Monday. (Cries of " Move, move.") Mr. MUNTZ rose to make some observations on the sys tem of tender. He learnt from good a uthority that that sys tem was bad in one respect. When geode bought by tender ought to be rigorously examined, the 'examination which now took place was of the worst description, done by young men of delicate constitution. Without pro per examination it was impossible to prevent abuse. Colonel SOMERSET complained of the misrepresentation as regards the army made by the gallant officer near him (Col. Dunne). Amongst other things it had been asserted that Lord Raglan chose his staff under the impression that there was not to bo a shot fired. He begged'to repel this insinuation. Colonel DUNNE had never spoken of the army as con stituted now. There bad been a mods of selection of which he could not approve, but had stated that there was more in competence than in former years ; but the gallantry of the army no one denied. Mr. M. CHAMBERS approved of open competition by con tract, but it was necessary to prevent. abuses. He had been anxious at the contreencement of the contest to see how Go vernment would proceed in the matter of contract. He had then heard it said with grief that the Government establish ments were insufficient, and they were driven to the contract system. He had discovered that in so doing they had been subjected to great abuses. He (lid not agree with the obser vations of the hon, member for Stoke-upon-Trent (Mr. Ri cardo), that contracts should be confined to respectable trades men. How was the respectability of any tradesman to be as certained ? The fault was a very plain one, understood by all business men—not to have those who understood the subject, and in whom confidence could be placed to examine the articles. This man should be a man of integrity, and be dismissed if he ever made a false representation. They had good officers to make time contract, but none to see that those contracts were properly executed. There was every necessity of having proper inspection of articles when they were to be supplied according to sample. Instead of sending bocte i and shoes to the army, why not send bootmakors and shoemakers? When once the contractors knew that goods were properly inspected, they would take due care of the fulfilment of their contract. It was important to condescend to small things, without which no Government could be properly conducted. Mr. SPOONER said the question was whether the house was prepared to go into committee on the estimates before them. He agreed with the hon. and gallant member opposite (General Evans) that these were peculiar estimates, and that it was sharp practice to vote them at so short a notice. The noble lord said that only a part of the votes were taken, and that there would be other opportunities of discussing them. But, after having once given a vote, it would be impossible to reopen the question. Sir C. WOOD could not understand why the honourable member could object to vote upon account, or think himself precluded thereby from future discussion. Mr. SPOONER said that he had said no such thing. But take the first vote on the paper, which involved a pledge which, could not be revoked. Sir C. WOOD referred to what had taken place the other night. Instead of taking the full vote of three millions and a half on the navy estimate, lie had taken a vote of three mil lions, and the whole subject had to come again before the house. Honourable members were actually debarring them selves from the opportunity of understanding what was pro posed and of forwarding public business. The Speaker then left the chair SUPPLY. The house then went into a committee of supply. Mr. MONSELL said he proposed to take a supplemental vote of 294,1541., comprising 65,3731. for barrack sup plies, most of which were sent to the East ; 91,017/. for boots and shoos, having to supply the Turkish Contingent with them ; and 137,7011. for warm clothing, in addition to 120,0901. that had been expended for the same purpose. These increases also contained large payments for the mortar establishments in the . East, and for stores, &c., supplied to the Baltic fleet. There were also additional expenses at home re quired to be covered by supplemental votes. In reference to 15,000/. for wages to be employed in the Tower, the hon. gen tlemsn said that during the last year the arrangements for ex amining the necessary articles at the Tower were found ineffi cient, and it was necessary to take additional room in St. Ka tharine Docks for the reception of articles from the contractors instead of at the Tower, the effect of which had been a better system of inspection now existed in the Tower than formerly, and many of the evils complained of, and which he admitted to be well•founded, were now remedied, and everything would, for the future, be conducted to the entire satisfaction of the public. The carrying out these reforms entailed, neces sarily increased expenses. A vote of 40,0001. would be required for Land Transport waggons, and 37,0001. for har ness. The hon. gentleman opposite had stated they were unserviceable. The axles, however, had been tested, and found to bear a heavier weight than was intended. It, how ever, would he desirable for the future that these waggons should be made stronger. 25,0001. were required for improve ments in the Laboratory at Woolwich, for the construction of shells under the superintendence of Captain Boxer, the in ventor of the machinery, whereby a saving was effected to the public from 111. 15s. per ton to 61. 6s. Bd. per ton. The sum - was a portion of 50,000/. that the alterations would cost, and he hoped the saving that would accrue from the cheaper mode of obtaining them would repay in the course of the en suing year the investment of the money. He need scarcely enlarge upon the advantage this establishment would be iu the event of war again occurring. A sum of 1,2681. would be required to defray the expenses of a select committee at Woolwich. With reference to the conducting of scientific experiments, and 1,1001. for the examination of candidates for the artillery and engineers, great advantages had resulted from it, and the examinations of the cadets had been satis factory, and. experience had shown that the selections that had been made hitherto had been successful as regarded learning and military bearing. The establishment at Shoe buryness was one of great importance, and was the only place they had for trying heavy ordnance. The results during the past year had been important in getting rid of fallacies in the public mind with reference to inventions in large guns, and it was necessary they should have such a place, where they could test fire-arms of both large and small calibre. He now came to the consideration of the army estimates for the present year, and he saw no difficulty in their comprehension by gen tlemen accustomed to such estimates. Many of the votes would be the same as on former occasions, whilst the blending toge- • ther of others would be an improvement and, in accordance the recommendation of the committee on army organisation which sat in 1837, and who impressed the importance of the whole of the army estimates being presented before them at one view. The civil department of the army had been removed from the War Department, and placed under the Secretary of State for the Home Department. TheaCnoomial missariat Department had undergone a change , t h e fin department being removed to the Treasury, and that of pro viding food, drc,, only being confined to the Commissariat. In the three last years of the late war the estimates exceeded those he note submitted to the house. InlBl3 the estimates for army, ordnance, and commissariat amounted to 36,245,2381. ; in 1814, to 49,482,9111. ; and, in 1815, to 49,562,2691. These amounts exceeded considerably the amount of the esti mates it would be his duty that night to submit to the house. The hon. gentleman then referred to the order of valour lately instituted, which he said would be retrospective in its opera tion, and read several returns relative to the healthy condi tion of the army in the Crimea, which he contrasted with the state of the health of the army in other parts of the world. This, in great measure, was attributable to the improvements that had taken place in the food and clothing of the men and the excellent sanitary arrangements made in the camp by Dr. Sutherland and the gentlemen who had assisted him. The re cruits that had been sent out to the Crimea were not of so young an age as was generally supposed. He found that j a 10,268 men sent out to the Crimea between April and 0'4., 1855, that 162 only were under 18 years of age ; 5,318 were between the ages of 18 and 21 ; 2,822 between those above f o 2 ve l and 24 ; 2,214 between th ose o f 24 and 30 ; an d 412 b 30 years of age, Another return showed the actusal ages of the men now in the Crimea, an d a l so th ose o f th e , erply when the war commenced, and which also showed that the state ment that had been made, that the army was Composed of boys, was incorrect. With regard to the amount of crime in the army, there was at one time a considerable amount of drunkenness ; but General Codrington had stated that it had declined ; and that not above two men a day out of a hundred were now hreught before the autho rities for such an offence. Other officers bore testimony to the admirable condition of the troops, and also that of the Fo reign Legion. During the past year, alterations had. been made in the arrangement and supplies of the army for the benefit of the soldier. He had referred to the order of valour. The kit was now supplied to the recruit without being de ducted from his bounty-money. The mode of seeewing a small rent out of the pockets of the soldiers for the canteens had been aholiShed, and the' canteens were let simply as other shops or houses, without the extra premium which had to come after all out of the pockets of the soldiers. A number of clerkships had been opened at Woolwich for nen.comrais sioned officers of Sappers and Miners, and which it was hoped would ultimately be extended to the other parts of the army. Sixpeuce a-day addition to the pay of the army in the Crimea was an alteration the Government might justly take credit for, and however mucli it might have been at first abused was now working well, and large amounts of the savings of the soldiers there were being sent home. That additional pay had induced many officers' servants to volunteer fer service in the East. There were many other advantages that had been conferred on the army—that of the medical staff board com prising ten companies of 12() men each. These men were not selected at first with great care, but now the returns were satisfactory. These 120 men were in attendance on hospitals containing 500 patients, and had to attend to their wants. The civil hospitals established in the East had been of great ad vantage as a means of relieving the military hospitals. The hon. gentleman, after a few other remarks, said he now came to the separate votes. He spoke rather indistinctly, but was un derstood, to say he required a vote of 221,997 men, which was an excess of 30,378 men over that of last year, =kin 224,997 British troops, and 21,719 foreign corps. The number of the army in India last year was 29,629 men, which was now reduced to ' 6,363 men; occasioned by the withdrawal from that country of two regiments of cavalry and two of infantry. These would have to be again made up, and it was the intention of the Government to increase the relative numbers of artillery as compared with the rest of the army, and of keeping up a larger force of this description than had been usual, the ex perience of last year having shown the necessity of such a change being effected. 1,192 men Would be required to in crease the Sappers alel Miners, which, for the future, were to form part of the Engineer Corps. This body was to be in creased, and to go through a proper course of training. 1,202 men would be required for the Land Transport co:•ps. For the Foreign Legion corps an increased veto would. be taken. The number of men voted last year was 14,950, and it was pro posed now to ask for 21,719 men. There had been already en listed about 11,001) men, consisting of Germans and Swiss, and 2,500 Italians ; and it afforded him great satisfaction to be able to state, that so far the conduct of these men had merited the approval of officers of all classes. 9,020 would be required for the Land Transport Corps ; and already 7,000 men had been engaged, and were in the Crimea ; and from the arrangements lately entered into between Lord Hardinge and General Codriugton, this corps would have for the future a more military character, and be under the entire control of the generals of division, to which their respective detach ments might be attached. 200,000/. increase would be re quired in the amount of pay over that of last year, arising !rem the establishment of the camp at Aldershott and at the Curragli . ; the increase in the medical staff, commissariat, the staff in the Crimea, field. trains, &e., arising from the exten sive operations in the East. The sum of 443,0281. would be the required increase for the Land Transport Corps, but there was an apparent decrease of 121,180/. on the levy money for recruits, owing to the new regulations that have been issued with reference to it. The next item was 300,0001. for the Turkish Continent, the details of which were not given, because no accurate in formation had been rexived. It was for 29,000 men, at 41. per annum each. The next item was for the extra 6d. a day paid to the men in the Crimea. The next item was for the purchase of horses, 351,8111. This was for increase in expenditure. He would now proceed to the Militia vote, which last year was 3,435,7281, and this year 3,150,1201. Last year the number of mei was 38,520, and this year it is 66,317 ; and there would shortly be accom modation for five or six thousand more men. The number of volunte‘ n•s to the line between the 20th of November, 1854, and the 31st of December, 1855, was 22,014, and from that time to t he Bth inst. the number was 4,830. The ue xt item was for the Army Works Corps. They had rendered most valuable services last year, and without them we should. have been in great difficulty both with the huts and the re cads. Though he mach wished they should be re placed by regularly trained military men, still their services should not; on that account be overlooked. Among other things, he could not help referring to the floating factory, which had literally removed a considerable portion of the Woolwich dockyard work to the actual scene of operations, where it had been most useful. The next - vote was Vote 6, and there was there a decrease of 36,2911., occasioned by the removal of the post-office, and an increase of 11,3901. for extra clerks, and 5,0001. for the topographical 0 epartmenss. The next rte in was 1,8001. for increase of professional staff in the luspecto r-General of Fortification's department, ren dered neeessae y by the great increase of duty. The next its in is an allowance to junior clerks who do the extra work of the senior clerks. There were 15 clerks trans ferred to the VI 'ar-office, and not charged ; for this there was 3,5201. charges 1, and other sums, making altogether 24,2831. The next item n was for head-quarters of military establish ments, which: last year was 19,6941., and this year is 22,7911., being an inciegese of 3,0971. The next charge is for civil establishments, which last year was 402 ,3351., and this year is 514,1411., b e i ng an ex cess of 111,8 061. for extra clerks and works at the various new establish ments, the details of which the right honour. able gentlema ,n read to the house. While upon this item he could not 1 sass it by without paying the highest compli ment to the he ad of the Ordnance Stores Department at Be laklava for the excellent manner iu which he had performed • his duties. • The next yet e was for wages upon which there was an in- L crease on last : rear of 289,3761. for artificers, extra workmen, and labourers : it the various factories and establishments. The lion. and g allant gentleman opposite (Col. Dunne) had spoken dispara; tingly of the Government small arms factory, 1 but he spoke as if contractors always kept their word. Un fortunately the y did not, but the principal portion of the machinery has now arrived. The contracts were made with the best firms in :America, au(l the Government could not help their not fulfilli ag those contracts. The next vote i was for the increase in the small anus fac tory at Birming7 earn, on account of the large additional num ber of guns that .had been supplied. There were tl ten some small items of extra expense for em barkation, &c., mot, neeessaey to be further alluded to. The next item . was for clothing, which showed an excess of 131,0001., arisir se • from the great augmentation in the num ber of men in tl is Army this year, and partly for clothing sup plied last year, bitt not charged, for the Militia and Turkish Contingent, Me. teal Staff, and Colonial Corps. Sir DE L. EV L&NS . called the right hon. gentleman's atten tion to the large , extra sum charged for boots and shoes, Mr. MONSEIA said t , hat would probably arise from a sur plus stock of 200,000 p a irs being kept in hand. He could - not quit this subject withou t noticing the attacks that had keen made on the clothing del nertment. He must remind the house that this department we s only formed on the 6th of June last, so that many of the faul is charged to it took place before it existed. The great diffie ulty, however, was to get goo 1 cloth, and to do this every ex ertion had been used. From its very recent formation, however, it could not be taken as a test of experience, and he thou; ;Sit the house would do well to sus pend their judgment un :it they had seen more of it 4 opera tion. The next item was for provisions, showing an increase of 3,413, 6281., caused by the increase of men and the increased price of provisions. Extrs , charge for forage was 1,')V,418/., being reckoned for 60,01 )0 horses, at 3s. ld. per da7. For bread, 347,871/4 for fuel and light, 78,0001.; to wh'ch was to be added 25 per cent, for loss in transmission, and from other causes. The next item we is the small-arms factory at Enfield, for which the sum &Man led was 13,3781. The re :son for this vote was owing to the p" attire , up of barrel macYnery, which it was considered expel iont to establish. The next item was an excess of 90,000/. fo: ,' gunpowder. There were 56,000 bar rels above 'the- supply of last, year. The next item was the royal laboratory, in wl :. rich there was an excess of 240,5831. over last year.. The ne . ' xt item , was a sum of 96,2 . 24'. for wag gous and harness fir tt :e Land Transport Corps, which it was anticipa' od would save a large sum in the transport o' stores. There had been lately established a gun foundry at Woolwich for the casting of iro a guns. Hitherto it had been our cult m to manufacture our ( ,s rabrass guns, but to obtain the iron guns from contractors. 7 d is system had given rise to great dissetis faction, and during ;' the past year a commission was issued,. which had decided that a Government establishment ought to be created forth a manufacture of such pieces as 68-pounders and 13-inch morta rs. Although, under the old sygtem, they had gone to the lx sst fact Ties, and given orders without any ne•lue regard to e conomy, yet he was clearly satisfied, from his own experien, ,e, that it was not safe to trust to the arti san, Time work r equired very peculiar artists, and from the small demand for iron of such high quality, and intended for special service, ' it was not easily obtai ned in the ordinar y establishments. ' He believed that, notwithstanding the ex cellence ef our it on foundries, and though our brass ordnance was of acknowl( dged excellence, our iron ordnance was far inferior to that of the rest of Europe. He felt sure that the house would n( ,t grudge the small sum of 60,0001. or 70,000/, for so importa at an establishment. The next vote was cer tainly a large . ,)ue —nearly 2,041,900/. for works and bui d ings. Of this item there had been already expended the sum of !,072,1 .64/. or about half the vote. Works now being carried out iv onld cost 317,6701., and the further sum of 654,935/. was ; for works not yet sanctioned by Government. In these sum! ; were included—for fortifications in Portsmouth harbour, it. ; for the camp at Aldershott, 52,831/. ; for the military hospital lately erected. in Southampton water, 60,000/. ;ar .d for barracks in Dublin, London, Chatham, and elsewhei e, 100,0001. The committee were aware that a committee o! 1 , officers had been appointed last year by Lord Panmure to i nquire into the improvement in barracks. That committee h ed made an interesting report, and bad issued public advertisements to all architects in thi country. In consequence many plans had been sent in, and sonic has ac tually beeu ;elected, and the expense minutaly calculated of carrying the: u out. Their plans included increased accom mocl;ttion for married soldiers, facilities for the amusement of the men, bar ucks, hospitals, and other accommodation. The expense of pr Evicting upon thin improved principle for 1,000 men was 80,0: v., or 86/. a man. He had some difficulty in proving what e act , roposition to make to the house. It would not do to bn.ld bar, asks partly on one system and partly on anotl ter; and, on the other hand, they should re flect before the: ► altered the entire system. The Inspector- General of Forti ' fleations had been called upon to make re turns showing is latnnrnber of barracks were wo th preserving, how many do nc it come up to present requirements, what would be the ex pense of bringing them up to those require. meats, and what ~ would he the further expense of bringing them up to the I ,i:gher requirements of the barrack comn'attee. Till this report V (9,3' obtained, the house could not comet /a a con clusion upon ti. is important question, or come to a deter minate opinio; :as to what extent they should carry out the recorumen. lation of the committee. The improvenments introduced in to 'Woolwich Arsenal wore matters of c „ n ,, gratulation to , the country. He wished that honourable gentlemen would visit and judge for themselves. A deep sense of grit; k side should be felt to the officers, a n d espe. cially to Ca ,p lain Boxer. They had been the means of saving larg b sit .us to tie country, and had put the fleet into. a state of , /facie ncy which would never have been done with out their N rUluals le assistance. The next item was an increase in the ed neotic .nal and scientific vote of 17,369/. On this head he . evonht observe that a director of artil3ry studies had been air z )oint e , 1, whose duty it was to overlook the artillery practice ;of the , cadets. This office was filled b y C o l onel Wil ford, ,„i h o h a a 1 wen the means of turning out several excellent you' igar till, , ry aaars• There was an inc rease i n the academy . e at ' Woolwir ;h o f 1,440/. ; a small increase in the military aca demy at E , an dbm st, o wing to the in crease d pr i ce of provi sions' ; as id an ite:n for the school of musketry at Hythe. There we ,s an a d dition to rewards f or di s ti ngu i s h e d serv i ces of /7,0 f ;9/ . an d . so me other items und er th e h ea d o f p ens i ons for woo o d e an d si ,perannuations, the last consequent on th e consolie lation of th e different offices of the War Department. He h 4 i now gone th rough the subject. It was rather a du% ficult f as k to follow out se many new arrangements, and if he had n' )t made himself clear, he was willing to give any inf o ,. _ math) • 1 that might be required. _ _ . On the first vote, 294,1744. for barracks, being put from the c hair, Jlonel DUNNE said that he certainly c9l.ila net Wider. r stand many things in the statement of the hon.. gentleman. He had not explained the duties of the new War Department , and he (Colonel Dunne) thought that no one in the house now knew more about the arrangements of the Commissariat than on entering it. He wanted explanations on the lower parts of the War Department. The hon, gentleman had talked of the new order of merit. He himself would rather have seen a lower order of the Bath, but that was for her Majesty to judge. It was not stated that any board was al , " pointed for the inspection of army clothing. In old tinul this was done by a general board of officers—at present 13 0 military man was responsible for the army clothing, and until this was the case there would still be the absurdities iu army clothing that had been so much talked about. The vote was then agreed to, as was the supplemental vote of 62,3061. for wages. On the question that 987,1851. be granted for stores, Col. KNOX wished to know what was the meaning of the appearance of at item of 250, 001. for encampments/ This .item had appeared in previous estimates. Was it a repetitieot or was it for additional expenses ? Mr. MONSELL said that the vote was necessary to provide additional accommodation for the troops—it was for this pur e pose proposed to establish encampments in different parts 0, the country, which was the object of the sum required. Col. C. LEGH had some objection to state to the erection of huts in the north of Ireland, and wished to know if he should have another opportunity of stating that objection? Mr. MONSELL was afraid that there would be no other opportunity . , as the expense was already incurred. Col. C. LEGH would thou say that he considered the ever tion of these huts, which were fragile and inconvenient, big"' injudicious. The same expense would have provided addi tional accommodation in barracks of permanent b r ickwork' and have been much more useful to the army. The whole °' the north of Ireland was being covered with huts, whi ch might be burned down and destroyed at any time. Mr. MONSELL said that the Government, could not wa it the time necessary for building new barrack accom modationi They were obligedlo do what was to be done with the lef t delay. He admitted that it would have been much better A , the accommodation could have been provided in a permanen t manner, but the Government had no option. Col. TAYLOR thought that iron huts, which had.been pr o. posed, would have answered the purpose, and would hei ° been more durable. Perhaps the expense was the objection, he should be glad of information on this head. Mr. WILLIAMS complained of the loose manner in wu. they were voting away money for barrels without - due inqtliff e He saw several expensive propositions for warming the ,b ar : racks with steam or hot water s which. he thought quite used el l Colonel NORTH said that the. hon. member also , / made objection to every proposition for the increase of tit ° army. Mr. MILES wished to know if thsw hon, member had read his history, and been told how 13:a-racks had been knock e d down from a false economy. If they wore to have goo soldiers they must keep them warm:. Mr. MONSELL, in reference to the question asked hint i t speeting iron huts, said that the expense of each hut won' have been 6/. 7s. 6d. ; but the objection to them was on the score of their unhealthiness. In reference to what had boa last said, he quits. agreed in the false economy which lra pulled down valuable barracks an d sold the materials for trifle. The vote was agreed te. 2,338/. for defraying the charge* of the scientific cont ra tee at Woolwich was agreed to. The next vote was for 246,716 iaien, including the officer ° and non-commissioned officers in th u e East India territoriee..l Colonel NORTH called attenti o n to the fact, that oft,,' colonels of the army were anxious to know if brevets wer a f • cease, and that these men were. not to have any hope tj brevet taking place that would give them that rank they ne naturally looked forward to duriing the whole of their lo a ; life. He much approved of the or der of valour, and as O w were many officers in the army of small means he hoped D i Government would remit them the, fees usually payable • those who received the Order of th e Bath. P r o ' Colonel DUNNE moved that tl la c ommittee report P gress. In reply PALMERSTON said he wiNhed a vote of suffici ent men to cover the Mutiny Act, and such an amount of rep"l o as would cover three months' pay- After that it well' competent to the committee to disc uss the items. Mr. MILES dissented from such a course as that P r° Plc; of voting three months' pay on nt:count, having dispose the s ord upplemental votes. t h e L PALMERSTON said that on Friday ho wouldthe into the remainder of the votes ; and as it was against oe feeling of the committee to vo t e th e th ree mou ths' P2. 7 . A 0 account, he would not forco it, brit mo v e it aga in on °— next. The vote for the men was agreed: to. The house then resumed, a pd The Delamere Forest Bill went through committee, was ordered to be read a third time on Monday next. A le The Turnpike Trusts Arrangerotent Bill, after a short cussion, was read a third time. The Commons Inelosure Bill wag also read a third time' The third reading of the Drai nage Advances Acts Ame n ment Bill was postponed till Monday. OATHS OF AI'AJURATION. Mr. M. GIBSON moved to bring in his bill in reference this question. Mr. WALPOLE said ho admitted that the oath of stbiti tion contained provisions wtlich, from the lapse of tiraepio become obsolete, and wliich it seemed advisable be abolished ; but he wishes', it to be borne in mind the conceived the e tth in question contained principle,' b o. ought to be retained to any new oath that might be 611 , tuted for it. At the /present time three oaths were talce, ' members of Parliameut—the oath of allegiance, the oaV supremacy, mid the oath of abjuration; and if they I p o ice carefully W.O theta, they would find that they contained te"eo; distinct principles—first, simply allegiance to the Q g ce , secondly , the supremacy—a clear and undivided allcgian igll not conky an allegiance to the Queen, but that no fo r . :die , princi), prelate, or potentate hatb, or ou g ht t o h a ve, P I LO tion or authority in this realm ; and thirdly, the alleanot ace Jrding to a particular line of succession, and an irapo, pr ,nciple involving the foundation of the Protestant prille'rse is) far as it was contained in an oath. He should be sorribit see in any oaths that might be prescribed to members of house these three principles omitted. 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