The Sun. — London, England, 1831-03-19 00:00:00

REFORM. Mr. CAPEL presented a petition from the inhabitants of the borough of Queenborougls, praying that they may not be deprived of their franchise. Mr. TYRELL (Suffolk) presentied petitions in favour of Reform, from Bury St. Edmunds, from the county of Suffolk, and from several places is that county. Mr. BENETT presented similar petitions from the county of Wilts, the town of Bradford, the towns of Malms- bury, Warminster, Swindon, and Devizes. On the question that these petitions be read, Sir C. FORBES took occasion to express his regret that so many persons should be induced to express themselves in favour of a measure which was not Reform, but revolu tion, and which must prove ruinous to the Constitution of this country. Mr. HOBHOUSE having expressed an opinion that the Reform measure would have an effect the very reverse of that which the Hon. Baronet attributed to it, Sir C. FORBES said lie could not understand why the Hon. Member for Westminster had not, after the decision of the House that evening, asked his usual question of when do the Ministers intend to resign ?—(Hear, and a laugh.) Why had not the Hon. Member, after so deci 7 sive a defeat, put the same question they had so often heard him put to the late Government, of when does the Noble Lord propose to resign ?—(Hear, ard:l a laugh.) Mr. HOBHOUSE said his memory was not so defective hut that he could recollect the opinions of the Hon. Baronet to have been, on former occasions, different from what they were now. The question which the Hon. Baronet wished him to put was not, however, quite so appropriate at the present moment. The country would not be gulled by the trickeiy of the vote of that evening. The question for them was, whether they were to have Reform or net, and whether those who had fur fifty years been labouring to obtain Reform were now to be tricked out of their object? He was convinced that the day, when the Ministers re signed, would be a bad day for the country; but he was satisfied that the country would nut be baulked in their wishes by the vote of that night. Sir C. FORBES, in explanation, said that he was ready to vote for Reform, hut not for revolution. Sir M. W. RIDLEY presented a petition from New castle-upon-Tyne, in favour of the Bill for Parliamentary Ref orm ; and another petition from the Mayor and Corpo ration of that town, praying that they might still be al lowed to make their apprentices burgesses. Petitions in favour of Reform were presented by Mr. Roberts, from 2,700 inhabitants of Maidstone; by Lord Fordwich, from Canterbury, and from the non-resident freemen of that city (although they would lose their fran chise by the measure); by Mr. Blount, from 7,500 inha bitants of a town in Derbyshire ; by Sir W. W. Wynn, from Wrexham ; by Mr. James Johnson, from Dunferm line and Inrerkeithing ; by Mr. R. Price, from Ross ; by Lord Althorp, from Knaresborough, Ludlow, Rugby, and Christchurch ; by Mr. P. Thompson, from Dover, and St. Leonard's, Shoreditch; by Members, whose names we could not learn, from a place in the Isle of Thanet, Belfast, &c. At Half-past Two o'clock this morning the House ad journed. FROM THE GAZETTE OF LAST NIGHT. Lord Chamberlain's-Office, March 17, 1831. Notice is hereby given, that the Ladies to be presented to the Queen at the ensuing Drawing-Room are first to be pre sented to the King, and they are, therefore, requested to bring with them three card s, , one to be delivered to the Page in Wait ing in the Presence - Chamber leading to the Dra , ing-Roorn, one to the Lord in Waiting to the King, who will present the Lady to his Majesty, and the third card to the Lord Chamberlain to the Queen, who will present the Lady to her Majesty. St. James's Palace, March VS. This day the Count de Moltke, Envoy Extraordinary and Mi. nister Plenipotentiary from the King of Denm ar k, h a d an au di. ence of his Majesty to deliver a letter from his Sovereign ; to which he was introduced by Lord Viscount Palmerston his Ma jesty's Principal Sec r e tar y of State for Foreign Affairs,and con ducted by Sir Robert Chester, Kut, , Master of the Ceremonies. St. James's Palace, March 18. The King was this day pleased to invest Vice-Admiral Sir Henry Digby with the en signs of a Knight Commander of the Most Honourable Military Order of the Bath. By command of the Sovereign Vice-Admiral Sir Henry Digby was conducted, with the usual reverences, to his Majesty, pre ceded by . Sir George Nayler (the Officer of ? Arms attendant upon the Knights Commanders), bearing upon a crimson velvet cushion the star, riband, and badge of the second class of the Order. The sword of state being thereupon delivered to his Majesty, the Vice-Admiral, kneeling, was knighted therewith ; after which he had the honour to kiss his Majesty's hand. Then Sir George Nayler, on his knee, presenting to the Sovereign the riband and badge of a Knight Commander, the King was pleased to invest Sir Henry Digb' with the same. The Vice-Admiral, having again had the honour to kiss the Sovereign's hand, and, having received from his Majesty the star of a Knight Commander, retired. Crown-Office, March 18. IIEMBERS RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT PARLIAMENT. BOROUGH OF Eva.—William Burge, of Lincoln's-Inn, in the county of Middlesex, Esq., in the room of Sir Philip Charles Sidney, who has accepted the Chiltern Hundreds BOROUGH OF LANCASTER.—Patrick Maxwell Stewart, Esq., in the room of John Fenton Cawthorne, Esq., deceased. BOROUGH OF MILBORNE PORT. —George Stevens Byng, of Eaton. square, in the county of Middlesex, Esq. in the room of the Right Hon. William Sturges Bourne, who has accepted the Chiltern Hundreds. CITY OF CHESTER.—The Right Hon. Robert Grosvenor, of Eaton, in the county of Chester. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of So merset. It. tsicknell, Gent. to be Ensign, Feb. 18, 18 31 . Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the Cou nt y of Norf olk. Second or Eastern Regiment of Norfol k Militia. J. B. St. John, Esq. to be Captain, vice W E lii ,q t . e , , H re . s c ig . ncedoa,peF,ebEs. 27 q.: C T o o m b m e i p ss e io p n u s ty by tuehueteLonarndt.L—ieHut.ecnoaanpet of, the County of Essex. R. B. Wolfe, Esq., J. A. Houblon, jun. Esq., Sir F. Vin cent, Bart., P. Z. Cox, Esq., A. Gardner, Esq.., J. Hirst, E sq , , J. R. Brise, Esq., E. G. Barnard, Esq._, T. White, Esq., P. Mal. lard, Esq., W. T. Robinson, Esq., W. Cotton, Esq., A. C ox, Esq., and J. J. Tufbell, jun., Esq.; Feb. 9. East Essex Regular Militia. G. Blake, Gent, to be Ensign, vice Surtees, resigned, Feb. 23. West Essex Troop of Yeomanry Cavalry, G. Palmer, jun. Esq. to be Captain ; } - Bury, Gent, to be Lieutenant ; B. Colvin, Gent. to be Cornet, Feb. 8. A. Prin Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Selkirk. gle; Esq. to be Vice-Lieutenant, Feb. 19; Colonel J. Russell to be Deputy Lieutenant; -T. Stavert, Esq. to be ditto, Jan. 31. V --•--• Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County o f K ent. The West Kent Regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry. The Earl of Darnley to be Lieut.-Colonel-Commandant, Dec 18; the Earl of B rec k n o c k to be Major, March l 2; Lord Viscount Sydney to be Captain, Dec. '2O; Hon. J. D. Bligh to b e di tto Feb. 14 ; Visco un t Ma rsham to be ditto, Feb. 15 Sir W. R Geary, Bart., t o b e d i tto, Feb. 1G;to Lord Viscount holmesdale be ditto, Feb. 17 • P. H. Dyke, Jun., Esq., to be ditto, F e b . '2 l • J. Chapman, Jun.' Gent. to be Lieutenant, Dec. 20; A. Ak ers ' , Gent., to be ditt o , Jan. 8 ' ; R. W. Blencowe, Gent., to be ditto, Feb, 12; W. Brown, Gent., to be First Lieutenant, Feb. 14 ; SHEEP SKINS. Long Wool .......... ss. Od. to 7s. 6d. I Short W 001—... 3s. Od. to 56. Od. 5hear1ing5..........., Os. Ott. to Os. 9d. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. T. Bayley and R. Bright, Horndon, Essex, farmers—D. Bagg and D. E. Bagg, Montague-street, Spitalfields, silk dressers—H. S. Ashby and J. Ritchie, King's Arms-buildings, Wood-street, coffee-house keepers—A. Cadman and A. Thomas, Walsall, Staffordshire, grocers—J. Stones and W. Miles, Leicester, coach makers—J. King, sen., and J. King, jun., Bristol, mathematical instrument-makers—L. and T. Mann, Liverpool, snuff-manufac turers—W. W. Veld and W. B. Dawes, Armitage, Staffordshire, inaltsters—W. Austin and J. Holiday, Colchester, chemists—S. and C. Haydon, Mitcham, Surrey, plumbers—J. Stainton and B. Newton, Liverpool, builders—H. Foster and 7'. Cheyne, Kings ton-upon-Hull, spirit merchants—T., J., W. , Foster and J. Hol. gate, Hylord's-court, tea-dealers—J. and J. H. Hutchinson, East Itetford, Nottinghamshire, spirit-merchants—J. Davies and M. M'Gregor, Manchester, commission-agents—T. Shirley and J. Smith, New Bridge-street, Blackfriars, spirit-merchants—T. and J. Mease, Sto .esley; Yorkshire, flax-spinners—J. Wildy and W. 'Wincy, Gray's-Inn-passage, Hu(' Lion-square, booksellers— It. and J. Smith, Birmingham, wire-workers—T. and W. Gar. diner, Leicester, hosiers—J. and \V. naines, :Copthall-court, Throgutorton-street, accountants—R. Comfort and F. Hexter, Crown-court, Chancery-lane, hair-manufacturers—J. Ashton and S. Ashton, jun., Warrington, Lancashire, cabinet-makers—E. and T. Wilson, Kelnhurst Forge, Yorkshire, iron-masters--W. Jordan and J. Nall, Sheffield, engravers—L., G., J. Ormerod and H. Goodfair, Rio Janeiro, merchants. LONDON MARKETS. PRICE OF SUGAR. The average price of Brown or Muscovado Sugar, computed from the Returns made in the week ending March 15, is 245. 530. per cwt., exclusive of the duties of customs paid or payable thereon on the importation thereof into Great Britain. PRICES OF HOPS.—March 18. Kent Pockets B/ 10s. 91. 153. to 14/. Os. Svpsex Ditto Essex Ditto. . 81. Os. 9/. 9s. to 10/. 10s. Fatnliam Ditto, 0/. Os. 15/. Os. to 181 Os. Seconds _ O/. Os. 8/. Os. to 141. Os. 41. Os. 81. Os to 101. O. 61. 15s. 71. is. to 71. 151. Os. 81. Os. to 91. Os. Kent 8ag5.,.,, Essex Ditto.. Sussex Ditto PRICE OF OIL. Rape Oil, brown ........--431. 05....—..,. Refined OROWO .f 45 0 Linseed Oil ...................................••••••~•............w.mn0 30 10 Linseed Oil Cake at the Mill, per thousand .....—......... 11 11 Rape Cake, per ton .......—.......--.. _ 7 10 WHITECHAPEITHAY MARKET.—March 177 lily 455. Od. to 80i. Od. 1 (lover Od. to 105 s. Od. Od. to 40,4 Od. PRICE Ofr POTATOES.—March 18. 3/. 10s. to 31. 15s. per ton 3/. 15s. to 4/. Os. ditto. 01. Os. to 41. 10s. ditto. 3/. ss. to 31. 10s. ditto. Kidneys Scotch Reds Marsh Champions _ Oxnobles and Shaws —,...... PRICES OF Per lb. d. to d. Rtitts—..,.-50 to 561 b.... 15 22 to 661 b.,.. 16 23 Dressing Hides 14 16 Fine Coach Aide 5.,.,..,. 16 18 Crop Hides, 35 to 401 b. 13 14i to 451 b. 14 16 tytto . 16 18 Per lb. d. to d. Tanned Horse Hides.. 15 18 Spanish Ditto 20 23 l'er dozen. Calf Skins... `36 to 4111 b, 15 18 Ditto 50 to '7olb. 20 26 Ditto 70 to 801 b. 18 21 Small Seals, Greenland 204 211 Pit 'WE OF RAW FAT, per stone of 81b.—March 18 Price of Tallow (as stated by the Tallow Melters) S.l. 'PRICE OF TALLOW, SO. Town Tallow Od. Yellow Russi , 49s. Od. .495. 6d. Soa Ditto 475. Od. ifelted 365. Od. Ditto Od. Adair 's COAL MARK Bensham Main l ay 6 6 d. Dean's Primrose, . r 25 0 Hebburn Man 25 6 Killingworth Liddell's Main , , 24 0 Ord's - Redhugh 23 6 Percy Bensham--....... 24 0 Shipcote . . '24 0 Pownley ........—.... 24 3 West Hartley IMINFONI.I.MO 24 6 Willington 26 6 Wyl am 24 6 Walls End Bell and Co. 26 3 Ditto Bell Robson u, Co. 24 0 Walls End Boundary .. 23 0 Walls End Brown's.-- 25 0 Ditto Burraton 25 6 Walls End Ca11ert0n....... 22 0 ships at market, 81—Ships ,P, Sze. per 1121b.—March 18. Yellow 765. Od. Mottled B•2s. Od. Whit 84s. Od. Graves 14s. Od. Good Od. COUNTRY CO Per Quarter. Ashburn--- Basingstoke «.,..... Bath _ Bridgewater ......... Bristol ............,—.... Chesterfield ........... Derby —....,,............ Devizes Doncaster Exeter—*.--•••••—• Hungerford Newbur y Romsey Shaftesbury Shepton Mallet Taunton.. Yeovil Per Bushel. Shrewsbury .N MARKET Wheat. 70 76 60 70 62 76 55 72 68 76 72 80 82 84 66 70 60 76 67 78 66 82 66 78 50 76 40 45 30 42 30 44 26 3) 38 44 36 4S 43 46 31 43 34 50 33 39 37 41 38 45 34 • 40 40 79 56 68 72 64 74 64 76 47 74 63 76 s. d. s. d. 11 0 11 9 28 44 32 36 34 42 33 43 22 40 36 42 s. d. 6. d. 66 74 Barley. Oath. 26 32 20 28 22 32 22 26 24 26 24 30 28 30 22 32 22 35 25 29 24 32 25 33 21 30 22 34 21 25 24 18 26 20 26 21 30 9.'2 24 s. d. s. d. 60 76 E L—March 18. Walls End Carr and Co. 245. Od. Wall. End Gosforth.... 27 6 Ditto Greenwell .......... 23 6 Ditto H 28 0 Walls End Hilda 25 3 Wall. End Hotspur 26 6 Walls End Newmarch... 27 0 Ditto Northumberland 25 6 Ditto Peareth 25 U Ditto Perkins and C 0.... 26 0 Ditto Pitt& ll's Walls End Hetton 31 0 Walls End Lyona 27 6 Walls End Stewart's ... 31 0 Walls End 28 3 Hartley 27 6 Silltstone 26 0 Walls End 21 0 Tanfield 26 6 sold, 2.4 l A—Unsold, 5514. TS DURING THE WEEK Beans, 42 48 38 44 36 54 28 36 42 46 45 52 42 4 6 41) 84 28 46 42 47 - 44 36 48 38 48 32 48 36 46 36 48 36 48 38 4C, 38 44 d. s. d 00 00 SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. 11 44 i :sir i n f erence from h i s statement was, that the total t ow bcr of shi ps emp l oye d was 1,600, an d o f men 20,000. cwh at w as t h e f act — a f act w hi c h h e ca ll e d upon any 4) deny if he could? That this number of ships was until amount of all the ships which had been entered littcla from our North Arne' ican possessions in the course hp: Year and it was well known that these ships made h ted voyages, averaging one voyage and three quarters itrit ship a nnua ll y .—( H ear .) B y ta ki ng t h a t f ac t i n to hi 7otit, the number of ships employed in the entire trade lour North A mer i can co l on i es wou ld b e r e duced t o ; their tonnage to 246,000 tons ; and the number of to 11,000. F rom t h at amount we h a d t o d e d uc t t h e t hu nt of shippi ng an d men not emp l o yed in this parti trade —the timber trade. That amount was 100 41%27,000 t ons , an d 1,500 men . After maki ng t h at le l ikti ° ll , we had 800 ships, with 221,000 tons of 14 3 e ge, and upwards of 8,000 men employed in the er trade with the Gaieties. Thtt simple fact would tt : the House how careful it ought to he in giving 4 e oce to the exaggerated statements which bad been f orward on this suhject.—(Cries of "Heir, hear.") e fo w as anxious to bring the question of this trad e % ti r e the Committee in the way of pound, shillings, and 1 t t g ) t ; for that, after all, was the proper way to look at the tl ie J,t, and he wished, therefore, to state to the Committee t itt Zsount of real loss which the country suffered in conse ‘ e e of the difference in the duties, Now in doing this etu'ould take th e s t a t emen t w hi c h h a d b ee n p u t f orwar d I, e t'e ship-owners themselves, and he believed he shred I tiisle, from'th a t sta t ement a l o n e , to l ay b e f ore th e Com ec an estimate of the loss which we had suffered in this h, r i t which w ou ld ma k e t h e H ouse re fl ect an d won d er h ow he preposterous system should ever havebeen introduced h4,: e he (Mr. P. Thomson), and those who acted with lieere accused of going too much upon theory, and of li t rig principl es too f i r, he thought it would be prop er e t he country s h ou ld k now h ow f ar it went at pr esent k e rtY for this protection. Two years ago his Hon. Friend b ille l lernher for Bridport moved for an account of the h t oiit of duty which had been received upon North e, e ' l cso timber, and also' fur an account cf what the te ee , - "" of that duty would hav e b een if it h a d b een re pt'', upon Baltic timber. Now, the result of the diffe ee between those two amounts would be, upon Li tt ° h.:lrving of the ship-owners, and the peti. bi ers themselves, the actual amount of the loss Z it the country susta i ne d f rom up h o ldi ng thi s pro ( , u • The language of the s hip-owners was, that to:,, e i n should withd raw th a t p ro t ec tion at all, the 15,,7 of this trade would go from them to the Baltic.— t hl tlds trade with the Canadas, since its first commence le, t l iq the year 1810, had cost the country a sum of not 4 t i r t is g aq 20,000,000/. Ile hell in hand the accounts 4- hail been laid before Parliament in pursuance of iteration of his Hon. Friend the Member for Bridport, 183 referri ng to t h ose accounts, h e f oun d t h at i n t h e year t t ' the difference between the amount of duty levied on i t : l4 ' l 4 timber that year, and what the turiouet of that (te o w ould have been if it had been levied on Baltic 4 1 7 r, was 1,226,0001.—(Hear, hear.) The difference , 4 : 826 was 1,409,0001., an d so on i n th e succee di ng 14,'• Last year the difference was 1,348, 0 the 00 1.1a5. making lej et her the loss to the country during t seven ‘ l B °f 7,424,000L---(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") He e t -lu ed that to be the loss, taking for granted the state -It4t of the ship-owners, that if this alteration should be 14;in the duty, the whole trade would go to the Baltic. bs,:andeti his calculation on the statement of the p,ti ki r , a , but he wou ld streng th en th a t ca l cu l a ti on b y one h eu had been made in a different manner, which did not lh,lliite so f ar , an d which appeared to him a better one._ V w uid lake the timber imported from the North Arne st,44 colonies at 20s. per load more for the freight than an it,, ( Itisotity from Europe, and e would take the if- Nqs as to the quality of the timbe h r by the market price, ( tkLestimated it at 11. 10s. less than that of the European kkj• With regard to the deals from America, he would 44: that th e i r cos t o f f re i g h t was 61. more , an d t h at t h e tit s u !e in quality between them and the European deals sting it by th e mar k e t p r i ce , amoun t e d t o 61. more ., i rarer] th en , th a t i n th e year 1829 th e ca l cu l at i on S tri t hos,--in that year we imported from the North le can colonies 393,000 loads of timber, which cost 'et pOre in fr e i g ht th an th e same quant it y wou ld h ave 1 1. °In Europe, making 393,0001., and the difference ki h "lity being estimated at IL 10s., made an additional it titi e r 590,000/. Th e diff erence o f f re i g ht upon 18,250 ( h i t t ed of d ea l s i mporte d i n t h at year , est i mate d at 61 ., 4 4 '. 4. 10 9,000/, a n d th e diff erence i n qu a lity, es tim a t e d heat 61 ., made a further sum of 109,0001. It thus ap t(' til from this statement, which checked the former at; L A N --on, tnat tne total loss in that year amounted to Si; ' O OO/., a auto which the country bad to pay for fol -0 this circuitous mode of obtaining its timber instead ke, l 4 . directly for it to the Baltic. He defied them to oherthat this loss was made up to the country in any !lien'', by the employment of capital in this trade Ne h ,. could not he profitably employed in some other NZ; What was the capital employed in this trade? gst,;4'll-owners estimated the tonnage at 430,000 tons. S t ;'„nici strike off the 30,000 tons, and leaving it at 1 0' u o tons, the rate of freight was 405., which in (teoo tons made 800,0001. Now if the country ac '4 t te.3l, up those ships , and paid their owners that NO and kept them sailing about the Atlantic and doing Ng , it would be seen that the country would be a e t' re _bY such an arrangement. It was said that s ure would totally destroy this trade ; but i N t ' t denying that this measure would eventually NZ a very considerable portion of the trade, he ; I (% tio that it would produce more than a trifling de setlu in the empl o y men t o f th e s hippi ng . B u t even if l 144 c alculated to th row th e h a lf o f t h e s hip s o u t of u ne et t!citt, he would contend that it would be more c l u lit t h e al to keep those ships sailing about doing nothing, , ° lta f ttY up the whole of the timber which was cut ,:thuit exportation in Canada, and bring it to the coast L l tiel l tr it ! it there, than to be paying for it at the rate 1 . - 74 t :e country paid at present. By such an arrange tja- t hat even the country would he a loser by 20,0001. tneo t ' t " it lost at pr es ent. The Government did not * e t h _t-1 ) , 11 " Y violent or sudden measure,—they proposed 0 %.,,. gradual diminution of the protection. They said ,tsstio'n willing that the country should continue to pay ' 4 ( If that protection, hut that the existing amount ;N I , " too great, and that it must be diminished. Thi . s 1 , 1 41 1. : was not to come into operation immediately, it ;°tl l : t take effect until the lit of January next . year, NI 'Olio diminution is the duty on Baltic timber L 'ttl on 'e only 6s. in the first instance. The entire re -I'oolEll,ole end would be 15s. ; but as that would be i Nee - a bo ut gradu a lly, it would not have the effects L I r i ght be a n ti c ip a t e d front a sudden reduction to ctit e L u nt.. With regard to the article of deals, the dif ktWeen the duty on Canadian and Baltic deals Need at present to 355. ; that difference, by the new k ii e) would be increased to 395., in favour of the t t io ll l ttl ',.._ He believed that one effect of this measure t., % % 4;7 to transfer one-third of the eight hundred estli, t 'li it was said would be taken out of the hat trade to the Biltie trade. It was fair to they would there meet with i foreigncoro htdtl'i 14 4 he was su r p r i se d to find the petitioners l , st nearly the whole of this trade would b e ; i cle t i tri nO. n foreign bottoms. From that statement they N t he whole t ra d e o f R us si a , and in refutation of it, ll eill inerely state the following fact :—that of the 04 all tity of timb er an d d ea l s w hi c h had been =petted i 4 Y , e ar 1 830, from Norway, Sweden, Russia, and ?, it : ti h ere bad been 141,000 loads imported in foreign c‘r.) , 219 ,000 loads imported in British ships.— hZth e aeooking at that statement, would any man be the t ke ertion th a t the whole of the erode would fall h (l o4 ands of foreigners ? He would further state to Vi le a , that in the year 1823, the amount of British itc tr ie d ‘ e qmpared with foreign tonnage engaged in the Lk e bd c . , was in the proportion of three-fifths to two 'ger th , hat it was now something beyond the propor el(ti,irce-fifths to two-fifths, though since the year (421, 41 , r roight come in foreign ships, which could (Ces o ,; ( ts to that period, be imported in British ;:.sthi'''ear, hear.) He repeated, that one-third ol 01 t P which would be thrown out of employment el i t 4 si t i p eq the Baltic trade, and that unless the foreigners I SA t 0 1 .," Purpose, which they would not be absurd Ves ta ' 4 ' they could not compete with theta. He h k lUitt e: te ctised of ignorance for saying that the remain- OCtiee: of the ehips which would be thrown out of 1 1e . 'nkr it I . l t in th e Canada timber trade would find em. '4et lo the coast i ng trade, and espec i a ll y i n t h e car ' hs iteZ a r l '• He was t aun t e d w ith not knowing that tti t tnd tit "hips were generally of from 400 to 500 \ 41 . y t - , a:, the li ~ h ips could not be employed advan ' ~. coa sting trade. Now he would take the Alps the ship -owners themselves, that there were ~ , ariinunting to 430,000 tons, employed in Li it ‘i , 4 „ 4 e , 0 4 dividing that tonnage by the number ot LiOli p :'"!' give 260 tons as the average tonnage to it:ll•,ttiploy e d i n t hi s tra d e.— ( H ear , h ear .) —He are that. t h ere were vesse l s o f 400 an d 500 1, h i4i • w hh iti l l t e l lZ ed _ - in that trade, but, to give the average \ ifi ' ll stated, there must be a considerable number ere hie . I \ at h r uYed in it under 200 tons. Now, as an %. 4 te he ships employed in the coasting trade, he . list it, ,,, *h i j number of ships, and the amount of their iit:sl I tt ..,!' had come into the port of London laden 1 4 441 :u.e year 1830. The number of vessels was ky 41 1 1 tit 4 tons ; and by dividing the _ ) , ' !sasels,, i 32 t OOO would be found that the average tonnage was '204 tons.—(Hear, hear.)—He would ask then, had he been proved to have been guilty of ignorance when he assserted that a large proportion of the Canadian vessels would get employment in the coasting trade? He contended that the existing system of protection was exor-, bitant and uncalled for. In the last Session his Hon. Friend the Member for Bridport had moved for an account of the number of vessels which had sailed from the Baltic with timber to the Canades—had discharged their cargoes there—had reloaded and then sailed to this country, thus undergoing the expence of a double voyage for the pur pose of avoiding the duty. That such things were done was a fact. But it might be said that if such a thing had been done, it was only an experiment, and that it would not be repeated. Ile denied that it was an experiment, the thing could be done, and had been done. In proof of that statement, he read an extract from a letter which he had received shortly after he had come into office, from a merchant in Newcastle, inquring whether it was not the construction of the law that such importations avoid ing the higher rate of duty could be made, stating that such importations could be made by the merchants there with advantage, and expressing a wish to know whether it was the intention of the Government, acting up to the declara tion of Mr. Herries last session, to have that part of the law amended? He (Mr. P. Thomson) would ask whether such a state of things as that should be allowed to continue? It had been said that 15,000,0001. had been laid out in &c. in the Canadas, and that that capital would thus be thrown out of employment. In 18.22 the amount of capital laid out in saw-mills, &c. did not exceed 150,000/. and he was sure that at present 500.000/. !night be far above, though it was not certainly below, the amount of capital laid out in that way. After all, that capital would not be sacrificed. In the manufacture of deals this capital woula still obtain employment to a great extent. But it was said that while they wished to promote emigration, they took away from the emigrant the only means of disposing of the timber which he cut down. Such a fallacy could not for a moment impose on any sensible person acquainted with the subject. Perhaps it was only one out of every one hundred of the trees which the emigrant felled which Arts fit fur exporta tion, and it was a considerable disadvantage to have such trees in the land which he had got to clear. That fact was proved from this circumstance; it was customary with emigrants, particularly where their capital was small, to hire persons to clear the land for them, and a higher price was charged for clearing the land, if the lumberers had been there, than if the lumberers had not been there. The Hon. Member for Cellington, in a speech in that House, had described the lumberers as the greatest nuisance that a new settlement could be exposed to, and that they were the greatest pests and vagabonds that were generally to be found in a colony. The Hon. Member also quoted the authority of Mr. Richards to the same effect, and then asked what became of the assertion about the injury which this measure would produce to the emigrant? There was one other point to which he would call the attention of the House, and that was the propor tion between the shipping engaged in the direct trade with Canada, and the shipping employed in the coasting trade in that colony. From official documents it appeared that in the year 1829 the total quantity of shipping which had been employed in Canada, and which had been entered in the ports of Quebec, St. John's, Halifax, &e. was 5,590 ships. It appeared that of these 3,712 were employee! in the trade to the West Indies, and 485 in the trade with the United States—making a total of 4,200 vessels em ployed in the coasting trade, and leaving 1,390 vessels employed in the direct trade with this country. Such was the large proportian of the coasting trade there, which afforded a much better nursery for seamen than the other trade. When in opposition he had entertained certain views which he was not now inclined to abandon ; and it was in conformity with long-professed opinions that he had adopted the present course of policy. In conclusion, he trusted that the House would diminish the psotection slowly, eo as to obviate the evils commonly attendant en changes of so extensive a nature too suddenly introduced. The Right Hon. Gentleman sat down amid much cheering. Sir G. MURRAY begged leave to remind his Right Hon. Friend opposite that the emigrants generally did not derive advantage from timber growing on their own lots. They sold the wood, but could only cut down a portion of .the timber according to the quantity of land brought into cultivation. If they cut doe n a larger portion than they could dispose of, the brushwood which grew up about the stumps occasioned the owner the greatest annoy. mace, and rendered the soil to all purposes of cultivation unprofitable, until it could be entirely grubbed out—a process which no one could accomplish without consider able labourand proportionate expence. Mr. K. DOUGLAS here rose, and only succeeded in gaining a partial hearing, but was understood to observe upon the peculiarity of the course pursued by the Right Hon. Gentleman, who, hewing abandoned his former tax, new came forward with a me..sure which was not to take effect this year, but to come into operation two or three years hence, as if Parliament had not enough on their hands at present without entering upon a system of pro spective legislation. After incidentally adverting to the consequences of the interdict put upon our trade with the Baltic in 1809, the Hon. Member proceeded to detail, the rel oive amount of the loads of tiinbar imported into this country during the differentyears from 1820 to 1827,respec. tivelv, specifying the places from whence such importa tions were made ; but the increased noise which prevailed in the House, preluded die poesibility of ii tiring more than the occasional fragment of a sentence, and the Hon. Member accordingly sat down. Mr. ROBINSON, who next attempted to address the Committee, was met by loud and continued cries of Question." The Hon. Gentleman commenced by pro testing against the principle of listening with patience to all the arguments which had been adduced on one side, while clamour was resorted to for the purpose of putting down those who attempted to confute thesis ; but pro mised to compress his observations within a compara tively brief compass, in consideration of the impatience of so many Hon. Members, who were at little pains to con ceal it. The Noble Lord had called upon them at that late hour to give their assent to a new proposition, and the Vire-President of the Board of Trade bad entered upon a variety of details, in which it was impossible at so short a notice to follow him, although he had come to the House fuil y prepared to discuss the question as originally mooted. No change of such an extensive character, he would venture to affirm, had ever before been so precipi tately proposed. In 1821, an alteration in the Canadian trade had been contemplated, but how dissimilar was the conduct of the Legislature then to that which they were expected on this occasion to adopt ? At that period, grave Committees of the two Houses of Parliament had been ap pointed, which received evidence, anti prepared elaborate reports worthy of the importance of the subject, instead or rushing headlong into a system of policy no less sudden and ill-advised than momentous in its consequences, He did not agree with the Member for Botoughbridge, in thinking that Parliament might not legislate in any way that in its wisdom it might think fit, and he therefore acknowledged that they might alter the scale of duties without any infraction of an engagement. The question, however, was not to be viewed merely as one of finance, but in connexion with all the importent interests which it involved. They were to consider how far it might injure the North American provinces, —how far it would be ex pedient to indict upon them an experiment of this na ture pending the recent experiment on our colonial trade, —how far it was judicious to bring forward two such changes without allowing time for ascertaining the effect of the one before we ventured with so much temerity on the other. The Noble Lord, it appeared, had given up the assistance which he might have derived from arguing his proposition as a measure of finance, for he denied that he wanted money, and merely made it a question of free trade. In making this admission, be had disembarrassed him of many censiderations, to which it was therefore unneces sary to advert. Meantime he must protest against the man ner in which the judgment Of the Committee had been di rected, he would not say misled, by the statements which had been put forth from the Treasury bench, touching the cost of timber. Any one who looked at the shipping interest in the present state of Europe, must perceive the inexpe diency of making this moat unwise experiment which might be the means of withdrawing so large an amount of capital and employment, at present distributed in our sea-ports. They were contending for no monopoly, for only three-fifths of the timber trade of this country belonged to the Canadas. But the shipping interest, generally, had been gradually decli n i n g f o r a very considerable period, as he could spew by authentic returns of our shipping and tonnage, which had latterly decreased to a frightful and inconceivable ex tent. During the last ten years the decrease of ships was 3,142, and of tons 251,509, while ship-building— no fal lacious criterion, be it observed—had likewise diminished in an equal proportion. In 1827 there were 1,790 new vessels; whereas, in 1830, the number was but 1,146, making a diminution of 644. For this reason he had him self ceased to be a ship-owner, and had long felt no small uneasiness, until he succeeded in extricating himself from a losing interest. The Vice-President of • the Board of Trade was totally mistaken in his account of the employ ment of British shipping in the north of Europe, and had stated exactly the reverse of the fact. It was impossible to have recourse to a policy more dangerous than the en couragement of the importation of goods from foreign countries in preference to our own. In this system, which we bad so unwisely established, the Americans, who were a people peculiarly commercial, had never followed us, and therein they showed their good'aenge and practical k now . : ledge of the principl e s which should regulate a State. 'I he fallacious character of thi s theory had been amply exposed by Mr. Munro, and subsequently by Mr. Jefferson, in a a -work after his deatle—(Laughter. ) Mr. HERRIES said, that the question was of the greatest importance, and the manaeement of it afforded an example of political trick. With what expectation had he come dawn to the House that day ? He had come down expecting the Noble Lord to take off, and not to lay on, a duty. There were circumstances attending the question which deserved particular notice. The Noble Lord had changed his purpose within a few days, and since he had answered the question which he (Mr. Herries) had put to him upon the subject of the duties upon timber. Had any gentleman or party a right to call upon the House to de cide a question in that manner ? He had a right to ex- • pect that a Committee would have been formed, not for the purpose of considering the question merely as con nected with the budget, but to tike up the subject upon the grounds of general policy. To suppose that Parliatnent would come to the determination of resolving upon such a question in a moment, was impossible for any man to e x . pect. He was not spearing his own opinions.—(" Hear, hear," from the Ministerial benches.) Whatever were his opinions upon the subject he would not put them forward at such a time. The House was called upon to de termine a question in the face of the report of a Commit tee, and it was impossible to suppose that it would go back without grounding its proceedings upon a similar investiga tion. It was impossible for a majority of that House to go into the proposition without a re-investigation of it by aComi mittee. He was not unwilling to investigate the question with as much care as it had been investigated upon a former occasion, but he did object to be called upon to de cide upon it without an investigation. The House was called upon to deliberate upon this question as part of the budget, when, in fact, it was no part of it at all. The Noble Lord felt himself able to dispense with that part of the budget which be expected to derive from the duty ,upon timber, - for he found himself richer than be thought he was, since be bad compared the Custom duties received within the last two months with those which had been receiied in the corresponding months of the preceding year. The Noble Lord bad not taken into consideration that the similar months of last year were months of frost, whilst the present months admitted of navigation and trade, and that therefore his comparison would not be found to hold. If the Noble Lord reckoned upon an in crease of Customs throughout the year, upon such grounds,. he was reposing, upon a very poor foundation. The Noble Lord's hope of a surplus at the end of a year would be visionary, and it would be found that the most that: could be said of it would be, that it was but just able to pay the public. What he had said ought to induce the House to pause and institute some inquiry before it consented to adopt so new a course in so great a branch of public policy. Mr. WARBURTON rose, and shortly after the CHANCEL LOR of the EXCHEQUER, amidst the cries of " Question ;" the CHANCET.LOR of the EXCHEQUER gave way, and Mr. WARBURTON said, that considering the great number of gentlemen who wished to address the House upon the subject, he should move an adjournment of the question a ---(Cries of " Hear, hear," " Go on, go on," " Adjourn," " Divide.") The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that after the attack made upon him by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Retries), he felt it necessary to say a few words. The Right Hon. Gentleman had al most insinuated that in the answer which he had made to him a few nights aco in that House he had been disingenu ous.—(Cries of " No, no," and " Hear, hear.")—At the time he had given that answer be had given it most sin cerely. The Right Hon. Gentleman had said that he had altered the whole measure, whilst the Hon. Member for Boroughbridge said that the measure continued just the same. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) admitted that in some respects he had changed his mind, and he had a right to do so; for what would he the use of any Minis ter's receiving deputations from all the trades and great interests in the country, if be were not to be influenced by what they said ? He acknowledged that the repre sentations made to him by the trades did make him change his opinions, and as soon as he was satisfied he could make a change in this trade and scale of duties, gradually and without any injury to the revenue, he was glad to do so. The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hen ries) had expressed his apprehensions lest the revenue should be in danger of proving deficient; but the House had heard his (the Chancellor of the Exchequer's) state ment, that the revenue would he amply sufficient to an swer every purpose, and in that opinion he continued. He believed that the differences made with respect to duty upon timber had been injurious to the country ; and he asserted most positively, that the present measure would not destroy the Canadian trade. It would divert part of the ttasle of Canada to the Baltic; but as to destroying the Canadian trade, he was convinced that the notion was erroneous. Mr. ATTWOOD moved that the Chairman leave the Chair. The question could Lot be adjourn, , d unless the adjournment were to be very long, and to mark the sense he entertained of it, he should move that the Chairman do leave the Chair. The question was put, and silence ensued, when Mr. WARBURTON rose and said, that upon a matter of so important a nature, and which involved the commer cial interests of the country, he thought the question ought to be adjourned, in order to give an opportunity of ex pressing their opinions to all persons connected with the trade.—(Cries of " Question.") If he were to speak, he could not say that he could limit his observations even to within an hour.—(Cries of " Adjourn," " Question," and "Go on.") So many gentlemen wished to address the House, that he could not think of addressing it that night. —(Cries of " Question, question.") The Gallery was then cleared for a division, but some discussion took place after the exclusion of strangers, of which, we understand, that the following is the substance: ✓ Sir R. PEEL said that he had never been involved in greater difficulty than in coming to a decision on the question. He expected that he should be called upon to discuss a portion of the Noble Lord's Budget, but he found to his surprise that, instead of having a part of the former Budget, the Noble Lord thought he had succeeded so well with his Budget of 1831, that he had ventured to Make one for 1832. He (Sir R. Peel) was anxious to hear the matter fully discussed. He could not dismiss financial considerations, nor the interests of the con sumers, nor those varied and important considerations which arose out of the question. He felt that we had at tempted too many experiments, and that it was not de sirable to add to them by an experiment on the shipping and colonial interests. The Noble Lord gave no reason for the proceeding. He had himself completely changed his own view of the question, and would give no reason for the change, but expected that, without any considera tion, all others should also adopt his altered views. The Noble Lord would not accede to the proposition of his (Sir R. Peel's) Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Herries), and have a Committee of 21 to inquire into the subject. Such a Committee could do so far more satisfactorily than it was possible for the whole House to discharge such a duty. They stood upon the report of the House of Com mons in 1821, which went fully into the whole subject, and recommended the existing scale. The Noble Lord was bound to show that that report was unfounded, but not even one cogent argument had been ursed to prove that to be the case, and yet they were to be excluded from that further inquiry which they desired—(llear)—and this, too, when the resolution referred only to a future year, and could not require immedia'c or instant decision. He did not mean to impute to the Noble Lord any desire to take the House by surprise, but he must say that if such had been the Noble Lord's intention he could not more completely have effected it. An Hon. Gentleman opposite had said, on a preceding night, with reference to the question of Reform, that the surprise of the measure then brought forward had taken away his breath ; and it really appeared as if the Noble Lord had been anxious on this occasion, in a similar measure, to take away the breath of those on his (Sir R. Peel's) side of the House. As he should not be precluded from further inquiry even in the House, and as it left the subject open to have a better and a fuller inquiry before a Committee, he should support the motion of the Hon. Member for Borough bridge.—(Loud cheers.) Lord PALMERSTON claimed the vote of his Right Hon. Friend (Sir R. Peel), on the ground that as he wished for further inquiry, he ought to support this question of reporting progress, and asking leave to sit again, instead of that of the Chairman leaving the Chair. Sir ROBERT PEEL was quite astonished at the ob by the course w hi c h t h e Noble Lord servations of his Noble Friend. H e was re l uc t an tl y , in deed, compelled, (Althorp) had pursued, to prefer that proposition which would undoubtedly preclude the Noble Lord from pro. ceeding further with the question at present. But why did the Noble Lord postpone the question to the Friday? Why postpone the discussion to the day preceding the question of Reform, which must necessarily occupy several nights ? Why, too, not begin till nine at night, when on other occasions the important business of the evening always began at five o'clock. He could not help thinking that this singular delay was intentional ; and lie could not consent to allow all those important interests involved in - —.„.. . thi' question to remai❑ in a state of suspens e till it ac corded with the pleasure of the Noble Lord to fix some subsequent day for continuing the adjourned debate. Would the Noble Lord either allow this question to have precedence of Reform on Monday, or would he agree to the appointment of a Select Committee ? If the Noble Lord would do neither of these things, he should vote with the Hon. Member for Boroughbridge.--(Cheers.) Mr. RICE stated, that it must not be forgotten that the bringing on of this measure was not the act of Go vernment. It had been pressed upon them from the other side of the HOLse as essentially necessary to the satisfaction of important interests in the country, neither were they answerable for the lateness of the hour at which it was brought forward. The Sugar Bill admitted of no delay, as the duty expired on the sth of April. The Colonial Trade Bill was equally urgent for other causes, and they were not responsible for the debate which arose upon it. Mr. GOULBURN said that he was one of those who had pressed for an early decision by Parliament of the ques •.ion respecting timber, as brought forward by the Noble Lord in his budget, and which had been unnecessarily and ton long delayed, to the prejudice of those interested in the colonies and shipping. But had the Noble Lord told him, when be pressed him on the subject, that he meant to lay no new dirty in 1831, he should have been satisfied to wait to any future period the discussion of the political question involved in a future change of the timber duties. Such arrangements could not affect the trade of this year, and it was on ly with reference to that trade that he had applied to the Noble Lord. In voting upon the present question, he ,lid so on the ground not of stifling discussion, but on the refusal of the Noble Lord to accede to the proposal of ap- pointing a Committee to inquire into the whole subject, coesiderinz that that which had been settled by a Com mittee, after a laborious inquiry, in 1821, ought not to be completely changed without that careful examination and inquiry which could be effected but in a Committee. The Committee then divided on Mr. Attwood's amend ment, that the Chairman do leave the Chair, For the amendment 2:36 Against it. l9O Majority against Ministers —46 The orders of the d iv were then disposed of amidst great noise,and confusion, during which the greater part of the Members hurried from the House. During the exclusion of the reporters from the gallery, which lasted nearly an hour, we understand several Mem bers addressed the House amidst great cheering, which was from tune to time audible—(Mingled with cries of " Ques tion," and " Divi , le")—beyond the immediate precincts of the House. On the question being put, " That the Chair man do leave the chair," the shout of " No," and " Ay," which was raised by turns, was absolutely startling ; the affirmative cry, however, appeared the more lusty and powerful. The division then took place, apparently amidst great excitement, judging from the sounds that escaped as far as the pissage of the House. There were repeated ex clamations of " Teil again, tell again ;" as some mistake seemed to be apprehended in counting the numbers. When the result of the division was announced, the cheers that buret from the vieorious party were loud and long-con tinued : the excitement prevalent within doors communi catd itself to the strangers without, who rushed into the gallery (upon its doors being opened to their impatient knockings) full of anxiety to learn the particulars of the struggle. Saunders, Gent., to be Second Lieutenant, Feb. 14; C. W. Mar. tin, Gent., to be ditto, Feb. 15; 'W. K. Child, Gent., to be ditto, Feb. 16 ;F H. Harene, Gent., to be ditto , •Feb. 17 ; F. H. Dyke, Gent., to be ditto, Feb. 21; R. de B. Bere,s, Gent., to be Cornet, Dec. 20; E. Hussey, Gent., to be ditto, Feb. 12; W. Gladdi , b, Gent., to be ditto, Feb. 14; T. F. Best, Gent., to be ditto, Feb. 15; F. Geary, Gent., to be ditto, Feb. 16 ; C. R. Hopkins, Gent., to be ditto, F e b. 21 ; M. W a ld o , Gent., to be ditto, March 14. East Kent lteghnent of Yeomanry Cavalry. F. Brockman, Gent., to be Cornet, vice H. T. Brockman, re. signed, March 15. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Forfar. The Hon. W. Ogilvy to be Deputy Lieutenant ; F. L. S. Wed derburn, younger, Esq. to be ditto; J. Guthrie, younger, Esq. to be ditto ; W. 1). Proctor, Esq. to be ditto ; C. Lyell, younger, Esq. to be ditto; W. Hunter, Esq. to be ditto; J. Mill, Esq. to be ditto ; D. Fyfe, Esq. to be ditto - I). Hunter, Esq. t o be ditto ; P. Carnegy, Esq. to be ditto ; D. 'Nairn, Esq. to be ditto; W. Ogilvy, younger, Esq. to be ditto, March I. Forfar and Kincardineshire Regiments of Militia. G. D. Hunter, Esq. to be Captain, March 2; D. Laird, Esq. to be ditto, March 3. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Hereford. It. W. Evans, Esq. to be Deputy Lieutenant ; T. Dunne, Esq. to be ditto, Jan. 30; T. H. Biggs, Clerk, to be ditto, March 7. Herefordshire Militia. The Hon. J. S. Cocks, commonly called Lord Viscount Eastnor, to be Lieutenant-Colonel, vice Berrington, resigned; J. J. W. Garbett, Esq. to be Captain, vice Phillips, resigned, Feb. Lt. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Warwick. H. C. Wise, Esq. to be Deputy Lieutenant, Feb. 20 ; It. M. Atty, Esq. to be ditto, Feb. 25. Warwickshire Militia. E. R. C. Sheldon, Esq. to be Major, vice Ferrers, deceased, Feb. 17. Warwickshire Regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry. K. Greenway, Esq. to be Captain, vice Earl of Clonmel, re. signed, Feb. 7, H. C. Wise, Esq. to be ditto, vice Beck resigned, Feb. 8; H. J. Bromfield, Gent. to be Cornet, Feb. 12. - - Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Surrey. The Right lion. Fletcher Lord Grantley to be Deputy Lica tenant, Feb. 25; L. Penrhyn, Esq. to be ditto, Fcb. 28; G. T. Nicholson, Esq. to be ditto, March 4. • Surrey Regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry. IL S. Trower, Gent. to be Lieutenant; W. Hankey, Gent. to be Cornet, March 8. DECLARATION OF INSOLVENCY. JOHN SUTCLIFFE STONE, Birmingham, gun-maker. BANKRUPTCIES SUPERSEDED. JAMES MA NN, Cleoburc Mortimer, Salop, baker. SAMUEL BREEDEN, Manchester, draper. WILLIAM MARSHALL, Fountain-grove, Huddersfield, shear-manufacturer. BANKRUPTS. SAMUEL WALTON FAXON, Jermyn-street, surgeon, to surrender March :e5, April 8, at one, and 29, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners. Pain, New-inn, London. JOSEPH WALL, Manchester, dealer, April 4,5, and 29, at two, at the York Hotel, Manchester. Milne and Parry, Tenmle, London ; Wheeler, Manchester. CHARLES MORRIS, Manchester, builder, March 30, 31, and April 29, at twelve, at the Albion Hotel, Manchester. Adling ton, Gregory, and Faulkner, Bedford-row ; Morris and Owen, Manchester. BENJAMIN HA LLAS, Ossett, Yorkshire, cloth-merchant, April 15, at four, 16, and 29, at eleven, at the George Inn, Wakefield, Yorkshire. Battye, Fisher, and Sunlow, Chancery lane ; Archer and Greaves, Ossett. THOMAS and CHARLES GREASLEY, West Smithfield, clothiers, March 22, at eleven, 25, at twelve, and April 29, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners. Gale, Basinghall-street. HE NTRI D'EMDEN, Upper Frederick-street, Condaught square, bookseller, March 25, at one, 29, and April 29, at two, at the Court of Commissioners. Chilcote, Bond-court, Walbrook, DIVIDENDS. I'. Robins, St. John's-square, Clerkenwell, silversmith, April 8, at one, at the Court of Commissioners—A. Lopez, M. J. Iglesias, and F. Gonzales, Copthall.court, merchants, April 8, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners—J. Welford, Oxford-street, auc tioneer, April 8, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners—J. B. Blundell, I. Piper, and J. T. Gritton, Bankside, Surrey, iron. merchants, April 8, at one, at the Court of Commissioners—T. Walkden, Islington-green, china dealer, April 8, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners—T. C. Riggs, Russia-row, aiht. manufacturer, April 8, at one, at the Court of Commissioners— R. Booth, Laund Mill, Lancashire, worsted-spinner, April 9, at nine, at the Starinn Man c hester—E. Robson, Leeds, grocer, April 12, at eleven, at the nn, Leeds—W. Sherley, Stanwell, inn keeper, April 8, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners—H. Bowring, Mincing-lane, colonial broker, April 8, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners—J. Potter, Maidstone, grocer, April 8, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners—J. Calvert, Wressler, Yorkshire, corn-factor, April 11, at One, at the 'White Horse, North Cave, Yorshire—J. Lewis, Bristol, merchant, April 9, at eleven, at the Bush Tavern, Bristol—G. P. Andrews, Bristol, money-scrivener, April 9, at eleven, at the White Lion Inn, Bristol—G. Armstrong, Liverpool, linen-draper, April 9, at one, at the Clarendon-rooms, Liverpool—W. Doubleday, Manchester, tea-dealer, April 8, at two, at Mr. Gandy's office, Liverpool—W. Bill, Birmingham, brass.cock.founder, April 11, at twelve, at Dee's Hotel, Birmingham—J. Donnison, Liverpool, joiner, April 8, at one, at the Clarendon rooms, Liverpool—T. F. Drought, Ihninster, druggist, April 16, at eleven, at the White Lion Inn, Bristol—D. Rider, Leeds, and J.Armitage; Huddersfield, cloth manufacturers, April 11, at eleven, at the Court-house, Leeds— J. S. Baker, Bradford, Wiltshire, innkeeper, April 9, at one, at the White Lion Inn, Bath—W. Brown, Beeston, Leeds ? cloth manufacturer, April 11, at twelve, at th Commercial - buildings, Leeds—W. M. Seammell, Warminster currier, April 11, at one, at the Castle and Ball Inn, Bath—W. Johnston, Newcastle-upon- Tyne, draper, May 6, at twelve, at the George Inn, Newcastle upon-Tyne—M. Duncan and J. Monday, Kingston-upon-Hull, wine -merchants, April 11, at twelve, at the Kingston Hotel, Kingston-upon-Hull. CERTIFICATES—APRIL 8. J. Smallbone, Titchborne-street, Haymarket, picture-dealer— s. Bartram, St. Mary-street, Whitechapel-road, coachmaker— J. Stanford, Frederick-street, Connaught-square, smith—S. Spurr, Warnford-court, merchant—J. Coulstock, Reigate, Sur rey, :miller-1 Gray, Prospect-row, Bermondsey, master-ma. riner—J. Price, Manchester, paper-dealer—NV. Smith, Brick. lane, Spitalfields, baker—T. Ciller, Manchester, dealer—J: Ja cobs, Walton-upon-Thames, Surrey, auctioneer—'F. Nicholson, Burstwick, Yorkshire, horse-dealer—R. Hudson, Birmingham, currier. We wi4h the creepir g enemies of Reform would, for a moment, throw up their heads and look at the movements around them in favour of that important question, and then ask themselves whether their wisest course were not to ac quiesce peaceably in that which is temperately prcceeding t i its consummation ; rather than, by petty cavils, excite indignation, and pedlars urge to excess. The Hampshire meeting of Thursday was one of great moment. Those for &sex and Surrey take place to-day. All England is on one side, in this question ; that which is opposed is hardly the dust in the balance. There is, indeed, an attempt to make a secret and surreptitious movement, for the purpose of getting up some petition by the merchants, bankers, and traders of the city, against the Reform Bill. We trace the obscure path of the mole, by the dirt which it throws up at intervals. Here is no meeting in this case-- no names of respectable persons appear; but their de claration, we are told (in a printed circular, which -omebody, however, appears to have corrected in the advertisement), lays for signature. If so, it will produce eggs ; and a rare brood must the chicks be. This rural image puts us in mind of the country gen tlemen. It is said that some of the country members who mean to vote for the Bill, in obedience to the wishes of their constituents, will follow the Scotch precedent during the rebellions, and make their sons vote against it. The names of some of those persons have been sent to us but we will not inert them, because we cannot believe the statement. What ! the high-blooded gentry of Eng land descend to a trick which a Change-alley jobber would be ashamed of? Is this the manly code of good faith and honour which the English youth of family are to adopt as their guide of private morals and public ditty'? It cannot be. We will not believe that any English father would propose a - course so base to a son, or that any son would obey so infamous a manda - e. TLe eye of the nation watches all that is going forward; but if this al-powerful controal were withdrawn, we have too much confidence in the honour of English gentlemen to suspect or fear the disgraceful hypocrisy which their calumniators impute to them.— Times. Last night the Chancellor of the Exchequer announced a striking modification of his original project for the regu lation of the timber duties The Noble Lord now pro poses to leave the tax on colonial timber as it stands at present, without any increase or diminution. With respect to timber from the Baltic, he makes a slight change, but only in. the way of reduction. Instead of a duty of 2/. 15s. a load on the latter, he makes it 2/. 95., for the year commencing the Ist of January, 1832 ; 2/. 3s. for the following year; and the third year from 18S2 it is to be 2/. The Canada trade in timber will thus still be protected to a certain extent, though that protection will be gradually diminished in proportion to the gradual diminution of the duty on Baltic timber.— The Chancellor of the Exchequer gave a reason for his change of plan, which, if well-founded, must be very gratifying to the country. When he gave his financial statement he had proposed to equalize the timber duties, for two objects—l tit, for the purpose of benefitting the revenue; and 2dly, for advancing the commercial and general interests of the courtry. Since that time, he had, he says, found that the revenue would not require the increase of duty, and he was therefore left to regulate the trade, merely with a reference to general interests. This concession of the Chancellor of the Exchequer,. had it been made some days ago, would probably have satisfied the opponents of the measure; but having unfortunately been delayed till the last moment, the opponents not only refused to be content, but by a somewhat abrupt move ment, the fairness of which is not very intelligible, suc ceeded for a time at least in getting rid of the proposition altog Cher. It cannot be denied that the tone taken by Isome of the friends of the measure has been very offensive, and we msy perhaps be al'owed to take this opportunity of d notmeing that parrot gabble about political eco nomy, which is now so common in and out of Parlia ment. A person attends a few lectures of some pedant: lie gets by rote a few abstract rules, and because he has acquired a little knowledge, just a degree above the nur sery, he sets up for a statesman. A boy who has contrived to acquire the recollection of a few rules of syntax or prosody would he scouted if he therefore thought himself qualified to write a teatime on philosophy or an epic poem, and yet one of these political novices will, on tbe strength of a few scraps of ill.digested maxims, undertake to alter the whole commercial code of a nation, and dispose of the welfare of a great town or important colony with the same nonchalant air with which a brown coat is changed for a blue one. These babblers should be tauebt thet.ae point in dispute is nut the correctness of this or that abstract. principle, but the application of that principle to the infinitely various and curiously complicated conceins of mankind. The coxcombs in question may waste as much paper as they please in scrib'alieg, but they should not be buffered to Meddle with public affidrs. They in jure every cause which they touch, and render con temptible every party which admits eheir fellowship. We see some attempt was made to take advantage of the ma jority against the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and a 4ort of insinuation was thrown out that the Ministers should resign. Of course the Ministers wiii . .not. be so mon strously k absurd—we had almost said,. so madly,wic ed. What, resign ! with the whole nation cheeraig them on to consummate their nobly-begun plan of Reform ! We quite agree with the Member for Westminster that the re signation of the Ministers would he at this moment the greatest calamity that could be inflicted on the country. But the notion is too absurd to waste another word upon it:— Times. Our attention has been, of course, for some time par tially diverted from foreign concerns to the more impor tant question at borne, of Reform ; and we really have not been sorry to avoid noticing with very earnest care the ever- varying aspect of the political horizon abroad, and of beieg obliged to announce to-day the appearance of that which might be wholly out of sight to-morrow. We open our eyes, however, now, though unwillingly, to a scene of some danger. The tumults of Italy, and the unsett . ed disputes of Belgium and Holland, do seem at last to be upon the eve of calling for the interference of neighbouring States. Antwerp is a place from whence we may be annoyed beyond all conception. It is what Buonwarte called "le pistolet stir le sein d'Angleterre." It in no degree menaces the legitimate grandeur of Fiance, fur the whole width of Belgium is between that city and the Frencli frontier. We are not, therefore, surprised to learn that a British fleet, consisting of six sail of the line, with other vessels, are ordered fur the Scheldt—that scene of Lord Castlereagh's and Lord Chsith.im'e glary. What an ominous recollection. With re spect to Italy, the Austrians were, no doubt, preparing to pass the Po, according to the last accounts of the diplomatic agents, and may therefore, by this time have arrived at Modena. Is it possible that the ruinout which we noticed some time ago can he titre ; and that the Emperor Francis hopes to keep Louis Philip quiet, by the menace of starting the young Napoleon against him, if he objects to Austria's settling the movements in Italy according to her own taste ? It would be a sinister omen for the young, perhaps the involuntary, tts,•irdnt to the French throne, to adopt as the accustion against its pre sent occupant, that he did not readily accede to the ag grandizement of Austria in Italy If, as our correspon dents informs us, the Court of Vienna have put forth such a threat, the policy of Metternich is as shallow and in consistent as it is mean and crooked. Our movements, we trust, will he all defensive. Large steam-vessels will effect all tie objects we wish, which are of a negative kind,—that we be not molested, and be not put in a siturt den in which we shall be exposed to future molestation. In relation to our foreign concerns, we want nothing but what we have—nothing, nothing, nothing. And what we have, we have of right, and with the consent of Eu rope ; and well see have deserved it.— Times. We were in a great measure prepared for the resu!t of the division of last night on the question of the timber duties. It has been known for some time that faction and corrupt interests would muster strong on this question, and that a majority against Ministers would be the consequence. The majority was, as our readers will perceive by our re port, 236 to 190 against Ministers, or 46. In opening the subject, Lord Althorp observed—" He was well aware of the nature of the opposition with which he was threa tened. He knew the power of the interests he had to contend with, and he knew, too, the union which pre vailed among those connected with shipping trade in ques tions of this description. But he was satisfied the altera tion he had to propose would be beneficial to the country; and he, therefore, felt it his duty to resist the co:nbina tions that were opposed to him, and to persevere in the prOjected alterations of th e d u ties." Lord Alth o rp did right in persisting in his purpose, for a better argument in favour of thd - Beform of the House of Common; cannot be given than i s afforded by the proceedings of last night. Here we see the boroughrnongers'•leaguing with the ship owners and West Indians to prevent a repeal of taxes from which great benefit would have beep derived by the peop!e. It was proposed that the present heavy duty on Baltic timber of 555. the lord should, on the 'lo4anusty, 1832, experience a reduction of 65.; a similar`redUction of 6s, on the Ist January, 1533, and a reduction of Si. on the Ist January, 1834—in all a reduction of . 15.- I"! three years. It has been proved that Cana (1 , 7 is is an ij iz u , re e d . and nut benefitted by this timber trade, f h o i u v r ol iN l : d o i r b tl: t A li , t . n e e r n i t ca t n o c co ul i t o i n va i„ tio ri n . , outso tolarthteh equwesetliflnebe2'