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• . • fi the law as the clauses stood would have a severe e x of workhouses for improper conduct, was, after some i The house then divided on Mr. G. W , Woon's ' post facto operation. verbal amendments, agreed to. motion, when there appeared, 35 1 Mr. PEASE contended that the clauses would not Clause 84, penalties on overseers and other officers For it alter the law as to the case of the mother as it now and guardians, was gon e throu g h, the blanks filled up, Against it stood. and agreed to. Majority Mr. LLOYD said it was true it would not alter Clause 85, penalties for purloining goods, was gone On re-entering the gallery we found Lord ALTHORP the law as it related to the mother's relief, but the through and a g reed to. consenting to a motion that the chairman do report overseers would not be able to obtain an or d er f rom Clause 86, penalties on persons wilfully disobeying progress. The house then resumed. The CHAIRMAN re ' the magistrates upon the father as they now could, and the orders and regulations, was agreed to. ro ess, and obtained leave to sit again on gr Clause 87, as to the parti es t o w h om t h e p ena lti es p therefore the situation of the moth er wou ld b muc h ported Saturday. • worse, under the bill should be paid, was agree d t o . PUNISHMENT OF DEATH BILL. . Mr. C. BULLER suggested that, as the amend- Clause 88, empowering justices to proceed by sum- Mr. LENNARD moved that this bill be commited. m en t proposed by the hon. member would apply to mons to enforce payment of penalties, was post- the On the question that the Speaker do leave the chair, several clauses, it would be better to embody it in a I" ned • Clause 89 to. Mr. RUTH VE N objected to it on account of the distinct proviso. , as to satisfaction f or special damage, was lateness of the hour, and said he should divide the Mr. F. O'CONNOR said he should adopt the agreed euerestion. Clause 90 was agreed to. house on the question. The house then divided, when there appeared— COBBETT said that in all cases in which Clause 91, as to limitation of action, being proposed, 50 the rich were concerned, if th ere were any alteration Mr. JERVIS objected to the commissioners being For going into C omm itt ee 'l7 of the law affecting th e i r interests, it was always allowed to plead the general issue. Against it Majority deemed necessary to gi v e them notice. This was a The ATTORNEY-GENERAL recommended Being re-admitt e d into the gallery we found the Being in committee, and case affecting the poor, and it was to all intents and that the clause should be agreed to as it stood, and purposes an ex post facto law, declaring that all young next session the branch of law questioned might be Lord HOWICK hoping tha • hon. gentlemen women now in the family way should be punished for Lilly considered. would consent to an amendment he had to propose, in an act clearly committed. After some conversation Mr. JERVIS proposed an Mr. BENETT thought it would be too hard a case amendment to the effect he had suggested. order to shape th e c l ause so as t o ma ke it agree with the usual practice of the law. The amendment he to hold persons to their securities, or to keep them in The gallery was then cleared for a division, when had to to insert after the wo rds " valuable propose was prison, where they had failed to provide securities the numbers were— security " these words " not any bodily harm to the after the passing of such a law. For the amendment Clause 70 was then agreed to. Against it ll2 Mr. LENNARD objected to the amendment , and Clause 71 having been proposed, Majority The clause was then agreed to. doubted whether the country would be satisfied with it.• Lord ALTHORP had an a men d men t t o propose, Lord HOWICK said it would not be wise to carry Clauses 92 and 93 were then agreed to. the effect of which would be, that the settlement of the the principle of the bill so far as it would go without child should follow the settlement of the mother. The Lord ALTHORP had then to propose the addition effect of the present l aw , b y w hi c h t h e c hild' s sett l e - of several clauses to the bill. First, a clause to pre- his amendment. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he had not ment was different, was one of great hardship upon the vent the commissioners from sitting in parliament ; made pp his mind on the subject, and hoped the house mother. When in a state of pregnancy she was fre- secondly, a clause to limit the operation of the acts as would take farther time to consider the measure. quently hunted out of the parish by the officers, and if to the appointment of commissioners to a period of Mr. E WART made a few observations in support the child would have the same settlement wherever it five years ; thirdly, a clause requiring all general rules of the bill. was born the inducements to this cruelty would be to be laid before parliament ; fourthly, a clause re- After a few words from Mr. FLEETWOOD, in removed. (Hear.) . quiring all orders and regulations of the assistant cow ( l support of the bill, missioners to be approved and sealed by the central After a few words from Mr. P RYME an d M r . A oLi - Sir R. INGLIS objected to discussing a subject ONBY, the amendment and the clause were agreed to. board ; sixthly, a clause exempting all bonds and se- involving the lives of men at so late an hour, and Clause 72 having been put, cufr ee rities made personal by the act of George 111. thought rt i t better that the Chairman should repo Mr. ROBINSON wouldut it to the committee to be froth the stamp duty. He moved that th e c l auses say whether they were prep ar ed, severally brought up. progress. after having th rown the whole liability of supporting her offspring upon Clauses 1 , 3 , 4,5, and 6 were agreed to without Mr. LLOYD opposed the adjournment. discussion. After a short discussion, the house divided on Sir the mother, to throw it also upon the grandfath er an d R. Inglis's motion that the Chairman do report pro grandmother on her side, in case of the mother not On the second clause (relating to the' limitation of e gr se-- being able, from sickness or death, to do so. Now it the act as regards the appointment of the commis- For the motion was impossible that the grandfather and grandmother sioners to a period of five years) being read, Against it 2B could be held criminal in the act committed by their Mr. GROTE objected to it, as being by no means Majority daughter, and in many cases it would be a dreadful an improvement in the general character of the bill. The house then resumed, and the Chairman report aggravation of sufferings already sufficiently great. Lord ALTHORP was quite disposed to admit that ed progress. Supposing the case of a labourer with a large family, the clause made no improvement in the bill, but ne- Mr. LENNARD afterwards moved that the house which he had with difficulty supported and brought up. vertheless could not think it would be any detriment to do now adjourn. Be would be obliged to send out his daughters to ser- it. The clause was introduced to meet the objections The house divided, and forty members not being vice or perhaps to a factory,-and if they should be se- of those who thought too great power was intrusted to present the house was counted out at a quarter to four dnced, would it be fair to send back their children to the commissioners, and if it had that effect, and if, o'clock. be supported by their parents ? (Hear.) He feared as he had reason to believe, it disarmed the country at —..... that such a law would have the effect of demoralising large of a ground of opposition to the measure, with- LIST OF THE MINORITY I and brutalizing the people, and tend to pauperize th ose out at all injuring its general effect, he thought its Of 21 (Teller included), who voted on the 16th of June who'would otherwise be industrious and independent, introduction most advantageous, and that he would be for a clause in the Poor Laws' Amendment Bill, that no Lord ALTHORP said that this would be no de- fully justified in pressing it. money should be borrowed on the security of the poor parture from the principle of the act of Elizabeth. Mr. ROBINSON thought the noble lord acted rat es for emigration purposes, until provision had been By a former clause they had decided th a t a ll re li e f to most wisely and properly in introducing the clause, the made for the poor of Ireland. I t a tw ucleric, T l‘l. 'or H odges, ct.b, . T. L. the child should be considered as relief to the mother. alteration of which he was satisfied could not beat- Ruthven, E. Szbelefield, J. In that case the mother's parents were justly chargeable tended with the results anticipated by the hon. member Bellew, Broe Blackstone, ke hßu.tlN.vi J. s . , J a mes ,rKennedy , , N s V i . rj .11 . Talbot, C. R. with the relief because the relief was to their own child. for the city of London. Tower, C. J. Mr. ROBINSON said that such a principle was Mr. W. WHITMORE was of opinion, that the in- Cobbett. W. Richards, J. W a ite , N. A. troduction of the cl ause m i g h t en d anger t h e operat i on most unjust while the law gave the grandfather an d Gully, J. Rider, T. Williams, Colonel grandmother no advantage as relations. of the bill throughout the country. He, at all events, a i thought t would be better to li m it th e o p era ti on o f t h e Mr. G. F. YOUNG said that this punishment LIST OF THE MINORITY could be with no semblan ce o f j us tice applied to the act to a period of seven or ten, inste a d o f fi ve years. Of 1 8 (T eller included), who voted for Mr. Cobbett's grandfather and gran d mo th er . O n t h e con t rary , i t The clause was agreed to, and ord ere d t o stand part amendment to clause 73 of the Poor La ws ' A men dment would be the grossest perversion of justice, and he of the bill. Bill. The Earl of DARLINGTON, in pursuance of no-. Blake, J. M. Gasket!, D. O'Connell, D.) trusted that the house would not sanction it. Buckingham, J. S. Gully, J. O'Connell, M. Mr. H. HUGHES sa id t h at such a clause as this tice, moved the introducti o n o f a c l ause h av i ng f or i ts Butler, Hon. P. S. (lodges, T. L. O'Connell, John would create a difference in the law between the oor object to make the owners, and not the occupiers, of Cobbett, W. Heathcoat, J. O'Connor, F. adopted and the rich. If such a provision were i n Fielden J houses under the annual rent of 10/. chargeable for r• 'J. .i.in, W. F. Maxwell, J. O'Brien, C. Ruthven, if. S. rhompsou, Ald. this bill it should also be applied to the pension list, the poor rate assessments of such tenements. e ._ by which the latter would be materially shortened. Mr. C. RUSSELL was opposed to the clause; LIST OF THE MINORITY Mr. F. FPALMER said that the relationship of the because he was satisfied it would operate against the Of 33 (Teller included), who voted for expunging the parties gave them a legal liability, and he did not see occupants of small tenements, and would tend to pre- 69th and three following clauses in the Poor Laws' why they were not to be bound to support the offs eng Bill. vent the poorer classes having comfortable houses in- Amendment of their children if the latter were u nab le to do it. p 1 - stead of small rooms, in which they were now obliged Brothertol, J. Hardy, J. Rider, T. Buckingham, J. S. Heatheoat, .1. Scholefield, J. Mr. MILES was surprised to hear the assertion of to congregate. Buller C. Hodges, T. L. Shawe, H. N. the hon. member for Reading. If the hon. member Mr. WA RBISR T ON said that this clause would Cobbe tt, W. Hughes H. Strutt, E. Jacob, E. Stuart, Lord D. C. inquired he would find that the law recognised no re- go to the virtual repeal of many local bills which now Davenpo r t , r j t . 'J. Jervis, J. Tennyson, C. lationship in the grandfather and grandmother for regulated the parishes of the metropolis. H e s h ou ld, F ie ld en, J . Ll oy d , J . H . Torrent', Colonel their advantage, and it would be most unjust to make therefore, oppose the clause. Finn, W. F. Gully, J. O'Connor, F. Tyrell, l'. O'Dwyer, C. A. vigor, N. A. Mr. E WART thought this clause would create them relations only for the purpose of sharing the pe- Holcomb, J. Ruthven, E. S. Walter, J. nalties of their children's misconduct. In the classes many difficulties, and might interfere with the appli- Handley, H. Ruthven, E. Young, G. F. above them the law gave protection to parents against cation of the Local Courts Bill, a measure which he _______ th e seduction of their children ; but any one acqu a i n t e d most devoutly wished might speedily be passed into a THE MARKETS—(THIS DAY.) with the habits of the common orders of society would l aw. — ow -- know that when parents were deprived of their children An Hos. MEMBER, whose name we could, ot learn, HAY Ist Alt K ETs.---t Ai or Lo,d of 36 Trusses'. by seduction they had no means of 10 to .E 3 15 appealing to the said a few words in support of the clause. CUMBERLAND. .f 3 law for red ress . I t would be therefore cruel and un- The Earl of DARLINGTON, in explanation, Z3,,,`lihcra lowland Meadow Hay 4 ii 4 10 just to add to their privations the ch arge o f maintaining diff ere d a lt oge th er f rom th e h on . mem b er f or R ea di ng . u seful Old intro 4 5 410 the offspring of their daughters, and he did hope the He considered that the description of property to which t,, ' ;O 7N y a a nd Meadow and ttye-grass Day ...... 4 5 0 10 7 clause would not be persevered in. his clause alluded was that which was not properly O a t St raw £1 10 to £1 121 Wheat straw... 114 1 6 Lord ALTHORP said that after what had passed liable to the poor rates, and why should it not contri- SMITHFIELD. he should not persevere in the clause, and it was ac- bute as well as any other? coarse heavy Lowland Meadow Hay ..(3 10 to £3 15 cordingly struck out. Lord ALTHORP did not differ from the principle i ! e v • i f„ N l i = o ll v it H to ay...... ........... - ........ - 3 15 4 4 4 5 4 19 Clause 73 having been moved, of the clause which his noble friend had introduced, hue Upland Meadow and hye.erass flay ..... 415 5 o Mr. COBBETT had to move • a proviso which but he objected to the wording of it. He thought if Clover Hoyt fine)....£s 10 -Generally 4 0 5 5 id StrawXl P 2 to XI 141 Wheat straw 1 14 1 lr would make the law do towards those who had become the provision were introduced, that all property of HUNGERFORD. rich by the labour of the poor the same as it did to the every description should be assessed to the poor rates Coarse Meadow Hay £3 sto £3 10 Poor. It was certainly right that grandfathers or any that was under the value of 101., the clause ought to New Meadow Hay Useful Old Ditto other rel a ti o n s , if th e y h a d su b stance an d means,should stop there. 4 0 4 5 Fine Upland Meadow and ltye grass Hay 4 15 5 0 Provide for their destitut e kindred, and the law ought Lord S A NDON was opposed to the clause on the Clover Hay ,i 315 5 5 to compel the m to d o • so , an d so ought all children for ground chiefly that it was calculated to draw a dis- Oat Straw £1 10 to Xll2 I Wheat Straw... 111 !16 --......- their parents in like manner. There could be no ob- tinction between one description of property and ano- C ISA L M A RK ET.-June 18. jection to this, and this was what the clause provided ther. He was sure that the clause would not be Per Ton, s. 6. Per Ton. s. d for, Rut it did not provide for another thing. They satisfactory to the landed proprietors. Bensham Main .....-- 16 9 Walls End Newinareh...... 18 0 ought to have a trifling addition to the clause, and he Mr. G. F. YOUNG did not doubt but the clause I .. ) .,, e , a t n i 't I r ' c ri , mrose -........ 17 15 0 I 4ra tt iz; Northumberland li „ u t m ar l o w t r i land .: 17 1; . f 9 l meant to move it. It ran thus— would be beneficial. He knew that the principle on Hebburn } Alain 18 0 Walls End rerkin5..........' 17 9 " Provided always, and in manner aforesaid, that the which it was founded had worked well in some parishes ELilywell ...-. -17 9 Walls End Riddell's ........ 19 3 father and grandfather, the mother and grandmother,child with which he was himself acquainted. Ord's Redhugh ....-......... 16 0 Walls End Helton ......... 20 3 i Canfield* l9 9 Walls End Lainbton „,.- 20 3 or children, of any person on the pension list, the sinecure Colonel TORRE NS opposed the clause. west Hartley ....-..... 17 6 Walls End Stewart'.,- 20 0 list, the list of retired allowances, the widows' pension list, Mr. G. W. WOOD was favourable to the clause, Wylam ..-......................... 18 3 Walls End Adelaide ......... 18 6 i th e compensatio n list, or upon all or any other lists of but not as it was worded in th H . ' e bill. is view was Walls Walls End Bewicke& Co. J 9 3 Blythe -.-...- 14 6 End Brown's..... 17 9 Hartley.... 17 6 ' pensions received without services rendered to the public, that all property ought either to lie liable to assess- W.E.41.1r1e an il c, ........ 17 0 Stlkstone 5imp50n............ 16 0 1 or in any other way receiving money out of the taxes raised Wail, End G05f0rth....... 19 0 Silkstone Field and C 0.... 17 0 ment or ought to be exempt. upon the poor, shall, if such father or grandfather , mother Waits Fed Hilda-- 18 0 Walls End E1gin............- 17 9 . or grandmother, child or children, be persons of s ub stance, Mr. INGHAM opposed the clause. Walls End Killingworth 18 3 Shipcote Trader--,.... 16 3 I be liable and compellable to yield relief to their relations Mr. PRYME said that so important a clause as this Ships arrived since ast market-day ' 22. 1 under all the penalties and forfeitures provided by the Act should not be discussed at so advanced an hour of the ---.8.-- i COUNTRY CORN MARKETS DURING THE WEEK. i of Elizabeth, and that all such pensions and allowances night, and he should therefore move that the Chair shall cease to be paid." man report progress, and ask leave to sit again. That was his proposition, and he thought the house (" No, no," "Go on.") He was decidedly opposed Per Quarter. a. to s. s. to s. s. to B. r. to s I could not deny its p ro p r i e ty and reasonableness. A to the principle of the claus e , w hi c h h e th oug h t wou ld Abingd0n,........... 54 60 30 34 22 30 38 -. 1 short time ago, when the hon. member for Colchester operate injuriously, not only in large towns, but also as And0ver t, ............... 48 55 . 26 31 28 __ - 33 - , moved merely for an inquiry into the several claims respected small tenements in the agricultural districts. rit-ridrpoll'ain . ' --. 56 58 32 364 16 ) ( 2 -. —_ 1„ 8 , i under the pension list he was told that no person with Mr. BROTHERTON supported the clause. Crencester ...-.. 44 52 26 18 25 - 37 1 any gentlemanly feelings could entertain such a pro- The ATTORNEY-GENERAL proposed as an G a u r i l lgoti n ‘'-'''-. 54 , 748 36 32 ' ` L" 34 -• 4" I position. He was told that he was no gentleman. amendment on the amendment of the noble lord (Dar- Henley--= 54 83 35 31 20 30 ---- ,4 1?) I ( Hear, h hear.) ear,Now, the present bill for the lington) that where the rent was under 10/. the owner Hereford ~;,wo Fr — %3 62 ~,, 2 L, eg V - 44 amendment ddis of the poor laws went to deprive the poor and the occupier should be chargeable. He would take Maidenhead ( 56 68 34 44 22 341 3 - 6 ,14 . , an ha tressed man of the means of support which he care to introduce a proviso which would prevent stoomoutn.....--.. 62 64 30 32 30 32 - 53 ( Readtint ...--..... 40 66 22 36 14 26 - 41 g denjoyed under the sanction of acts of Parliament voters under the Reform Bill from being affected. Salisbury 42 50 20 2:1 22 25 36 40 ; for three centuries. When t hi s - bill had been passed Mr. R. PALMER opposed the amendment, as it Southampton -. 54 58 33 40 28 32 - 51 ` into a law, as soon as a poor lab • miring man happened would have the effect of an ex post facto law. I t • Stroud 64 78 37 38 22 32 52 C to want relief he would be d Tewkesbury . 4.3 -34 -30 38 -7. 42 i ragged from his home, ought to be made the subject of a separate bill. Th is Uxbridge ~..--. 48 74 26 34 20 26 _ 45 and separated from his wife and children, to be the would add to the objections already felt to measure. sa antage...--. 58 80 27 3'2 17 23 34 44 in a workhouse, where he would have to end urelodged. Warminster 45 52 25 32 22 24 34 45 t hopeless period of captivity. It had been said a All property was already rateable bylaw. This clause Wind50r............... 59 - - - 21 0 2 - 3. - 1 t that would operate as a great hardship. Worcester-....... 48 52 32 36 24 26 - 46 the paupers of England had no shame in j 1 hi f or reliefof the parish. He would ask g - Mr. BOLLING supported the clause. He had whether himself LEWES MARKET.-June 17 . an interest of 1,500/. a year in this kind of White Wheat (per quarter) £2 Soto£2 12 0 1 th e•fine gentlemen and ladies who lived in idleness Red ditto... .2 4 o 27 0 proyerrty, and he wished it to be taxed. (Hear, hear.) Ulkui pensions raised by taxation from the hard-earned 8ar1ey ......,. .. IIO '0 11 0 v M• F. PALMER opposed the clause. He had Oats,New ....... 10 0 I 3 0 p 'lt t Ms of those very paupers had any sense of shame ? good reason to know that this kind of property did not Pease --. 116 0 00 0 v lie Would not say this subjectat more upon but conclude by simply moving the proviso which he Mr. ESTCOURT could not understand why such CHELTENHAM MA RKET.-June 17. v alreadyhadread•committee, which he should a number to the unless they l'er Bushel s. d. to s. d l'es lb. d. to d. c ertainly press to a division. (The hon. member then paid more than the •Wheat ordinary interest of 4L per cent. Barley 3 0 3 9 Mutton read the proviso.) In one case it was proved that an individual • d titts receive 2 6 3 3 Veal Lord ALTHORP would not detain the committee 2,0001. a year from this s •o f Beans ' 4 6 5 0 Pork with any discussion generalmerits of the contributing to the rates. upon the They were the persons who Hay 31, les 0 to 3/ Laud). I 7 ss. Od, net ton. 0 7 a _ 1; question. He begged simply to remind hon. members introduced a pauper population. that, i n HULL. MA RKET.-June 17 P _vi s o refusing to admit the introduction of the pro- An HON. MEMBER opposed the clause, on the ground wi,eat, Old -s , 425. 48 ' Nuw -s. 46t. 50g. 1 - Foreign -a. 50s. 545. ln bond... -s. -s -t. .vis moved by the hon, member for Oldham to the that it would render the bill more u u j npep ar. present clause, they • b e express in g an y Mr. G. W. WOOD proposed as an amendment Oats, Poland -5....3. 255. Old —s.-a.-s. C would not opinion in support- Small or Feed.... -s. 21s. 23' -s. -s. - 1 1. h to which the lio of the claims under the pension list that the owner should compound only for half the rate. Foreign -a, 16s. 18s s s.*-1 1 . 4*, n• member had also alluded. The Earl of DARLINGTON withdrew his clause, Barley, Norf. & Slit ...-s 28s. 30s. Line. & %Vold . 26s 30s. " The committee then • d • ivided_ the Attorney on the understanding that -General was --- Foreign Ayes . .......... ~. _ -1....,,n ne n eillNCtitlltP_ Beans "lihe 144 Via- Fore). n -II s --. Ti Noes ............ : .... 17 .......................... -....Maj0rity.............. 112 -y against agreed ...... —95 Clause 74, as amended, was then to.' On clause 75 being proposed, Mr. JERVIS proposed some verbal amendments in respect to the proceedings of appellant and re sPondent parishes in disputed settlements. Lord ALTHORP objected to the alterati on as un necessary, and lik e ly t o impede the principle of the bill. After a short conversation, in which Mr. LLOYD, Mr- Ittitov. and others took part; IVr • ILL ho ed the noble lord would consent to postpone t hi s which he ( e„,llll3.use. From considerable experience " 41 ) had enjoyed in these matters h was warranted in assuring the noble lord that the pre sent clause woul object to obtain. cl not have the effect which it was his Lord ALTHORp • Stud The clause was the a few wor d s in explanation. n agr Clauses 76, 7 7,tt eed to. agreed to. 7 . ' 7 79, 80, an d 8 1 , were next 1 he blanks in cladse 82 were filled up, and the clause as amended was agreed to. Clause 83, providing for the punishment of masters Mr. R. PALMER opposed the amendment, as it would have the effect of an ex post facto law. It ought to be made the subject of a separate bill. This would add to the objections already felt to the measure. All property was already rateable by law. This clause would operate as a great hardship. Mr. BOLLING supported the clause. He had himself an interest of 1,500/. a year in this kind of property, and he wished it to be taxed. (Hear, hear.) Mr. P. PALMER opposed the clause. He had good reason to know that this kind of property did not pay more than 41. per cent. Mr. ESTCO U RT could not understand why such p a lna n ido u n m e b c e as r of cottag es more ethitanwasthperoovrsdehdionuatlridiyatibneatenreerisentcdtoievfdid,4uiu.anlplreeerscsectiehvneetdy. 2,0001. a year from this species of property, without contributing to the rates. They were the persons who introduced a pauper population. An HON. MEMBER opposed the clause, on the ground that it would render the bill more unpopular. Mr. G. W. WOOD proposed as an amendment that the owner should compound only for half the rate. The Earl of DARLINGTON withdrew his clause, on the understanding that the Attorney-General was to proposeaßcß u lausßeTasoa interested Nsuobpsptiotusetd the clause on ' t h e e. Mr. w A ground that the parties had no opportunity of considering the subject. After a few words from Lord ALTHORP and Lord DARLINGTON in explanation, M M r r O F: 11 0 E, c I L o L N Y N o o p ß p o s s u e p d p t o h r t clause. e ed it . Wheat, Old —s. 425.48• Nuw —s. 465. 50 8 . Foreign —s. 50s. 545. ln bond... —s. —s —s. Oats, Poland —s. M. 254. Old —.B. —B. —s. Small or Feed.... —s. 21s. 234 _ is. ..4. —s. Foreign —s. 16s. lBs s —s.'—g• Barley, Norf. & Sot ... —s. 28s. 30s. Line. & Wold —s. 268 30s. ---- Foreign —s. - - a. --r. Beans 308 34s ntii Foreign —s —5• — 4 . Pease, White....... —s. 26s 40; Grey —s. 305. 3 4 . Taros s. —s. —s. Foreign —s. —4. "'". Rapeseed. in isond none. Free, per last 29. 20'. Os. The house divided— For the clause, as amended by the Attorney- General Against it Majority On our re-admission to the gallery we found the committee occupied on the proviso of Mr. G. W. Woon, making the owner chargeable with only one half the rate. The proviso proposed by Mr. G. W. WOOD gave rise to a long conversation, in which it was contended that the clause as agr ee d to would involve the house i n co nsiderable difficulty. It was contended on the one hand that this proviso would derange many local acts already entered into with landlords, and on the other hand that the proviso was necessary to a clause of this description. . 69 MEETINGS OF CREDITORS AT THE COURT, BASINGIIALL-STREET. (From 0 e London Gazette.) R. G. Penton, cattle-dale -MORROW Croydon, JUNE 20 M 1 1 J. Bennett, he r b a li st, Covent-garden -market ° ell J. H. Popplewell, coal-tnerchant, Milbank street .... ****** 12 1 2 1 W. Mawbey, corn dealer, Edgware, Middlesex 2 •0 I. . S. Pearson, li nen- d raT ' Leeds W. Wookey, victualler, pper St. Martin's l ane 2 11 Yesterday a Court of Directors was held at the East India House, when the Right Hon. Robert Grant was appointed Governor of Bombay. Mrs. Fletcher, better known as Miss Jews bury, or as the " M. J. J." of some of the periodicals, died of cholera in October last, in India, whither she had, but a few months previously, accompanied her husband, who held some ecclesiastical appointment in that country. Mrs. Fletcher was the daughter of Mr. T. Jewsbury, of Manchester, VAUXHALL. Yesterday being the 19th anniversary of the ever memorable battle of Waterloo, the proprietors of the Royal Gardens had prepared to celebrate the event with becoming splendour, and had not the unpropi tious state of the weather in the early part of the day damped the ardour of many of its intended visiters, there is little doubt but the celebration would have been as numerously attended as any of its predecessors. Notwithstanding, however, the inclemency of the weather at the early part of the evening, we were sur prised on our arrival to find so respectable an attend ance. The gardens were more than usually splendid, owing to the devices peculiar to the occasion. At the base of the quadrangle was exhibited " Waterloo," encircled by a magnificent star, and in the front of the late theatre was suitably placed a guardsman trium phantly displaying the British ensign, " all for to sup port the allegory," as Mathews has it, "of Britons rule the waves." In the scenic representation of the arctic regions the few imperfections which concurred on a first night are now wholly removed, the undula tions of the waves and icebergs are managed with peculiar skill, and the approach and receding of the Victory and Isabella are quite illusive from their near approach to realities. D'Ernst, we think, outdid him self on this occasion, the fireworks being more brilliant than we ever remembered to have seen them, they concluded by appropriately exhibiting in splendid capitals of vivid flames the name of the hero whose immortal victory the fete was intended to comme morate. DISSENTERS. REPORT OF THE DEPUTIES COMMISSIONED TO TAKE CHARGE OF THE MEMORIAL church has been corrupted and debased by its state connexion and subserviency, there is every probability that, under the blessing of God, this society will take deep root in the metropolis, and extend its branches speedily all over the land. Upon the whole, in the opinion of the deputies, the prospects of Voluntary Church Societies are as auspi cious as the most sanguine of their friends could ex pect. Built on the good coafessiln which our Divine Redeemer made before Pontius Pilate, and to which it is their honour to cleave—" My kineom is not of this world"—so obviously equitable in their claims as to commend themselves to the common sense even of those who are comparatively unacquainted with their scriptural evidence—with the Dissenters of Britain, with every missionary institution in existence (with one slender exception, perhaps), and with all America witnessing to the efficiency of their principles, they may humbly but firmly hope that if they are patient and persevering, forgiving under injury and insult, and intrepid in the midst of discouragement and hos tility, the day is not remote when their cause must triumph. H. HEUGH. A. MARSHALL. JAMES JOHNSTON. Glasgow, June 6, 1834. ABOLITION OF DUELLING. COPY OF MR. BUCKINGHAM'S PROPOSED BILL "TO PRE- VENT THE BARBAROUS AND SANGUINARY PRACTICE OF MILLING." Whereas many valuable lives have been sacrificed, and many innocent and unoffending families have been deeply injured, by the barbarous and sanguinary prac tice of duelling; and whereas the custom of appealing to arms, and determining private quarrels by single combat with deadly weapons, is a relic of feudal ages, and wholly inconsistent with the duties of religion, the dictates of morality, and the ends of justice; and whereas the practice is defended chiefly on the ground that there are no competent tribunals to take cogni zance of such offences as are usually the causes of these deadly encounters ; and whereas it is desirable to put an end to this practise of duelling by substituting a better and more satisfactory mode of determining such differences as may arise among officers of his Majesty's civil, naval, and military services, as well as among , gentlemen not included in either of these classes ; be it therefore enacted, by the King's most excellent Ma jesty, and by and with the advice and consent of the lords spiritual and temporal, and commons, in this Parliament assembled, and by and with the authority of the same, as follows:-- I 1. That courts of honour shall be established, with full powers to take cognizance of, hear, anddetermine all cases referred to them for adjudication, by parties conceiving themselves to be insulted or aggrieved ; and that the decisions of such courts shall be binding on both appellants, under penalties to be hereafter specified. 2. That these courts shall be constituted of not less than three, nor more than seven individuals, of a rank as nearly as may be attainable to that of the parties making the appeal, and that the selection and nomi nation of such individuals to form the court of honour prescribed, shall be vested in the following authori ties :—For the adjudication of all cases of dispute be tween the servants of his Majesty, whether civil, naval, or military, the principal officer in that depart ment of the public service to which the appealing par ties may belong, at the nearest station to the spot where the dispute may have arisen ; and for gentlemen not belonging to any branch of the public service, the senior magistrate, or the sheriff of the county in which the points of' difference may occur. 3. That persons having any cause of quarrel, not cognizable by civil or military law, but such as is usually determined among gentlemen, by reference to private friends, or by appeal to arms, shall select, as at present, each a second, or representative, who shall have power and authority to draw up a statement of the cases of their respective principals in writing, copies of which shall be interchanged between each, and signed by both parties. 4. That the statements thus drawn up shall be laid before the proper authority, indicated in a preceding clause, with a request that he will summon the requi site individuals of the rank and number required to form the Court of Honour, whether civil, naval, mili tary, or otherwise, within a period of not less than three, nor more than seven days, from the date of such appeal, which individuals shall be bound to attend at the time and place appointed as jurors of our Lord the King. _ _ 5. That the Court being assembled shall proceed to elect the senior member in age, as its President ; and after hearing the seconds as advocates on either side, shall call before them such witnesses as they may deem necessary, and receive such oral or written testimony as they may consider fairly applicable to the case in dispute ; after which the President shall sum up the evidence, and the jurors or members of the Court of Honour shall each deliver their opinions and decision on the case, beginning with the youngest member, and going upwards with the remainder by seniority of age ; when the President, as Judge, shall pronounce his verdict, which, if concurred in by the majority of the Court, himself included, shall be held binding on all parties, and without appeal. _ 6. That the expense of such proceedings before Courts of Honour thus constituted shall be confined to the payment of the advocates, witnesses, and costs of evidence on either side ; the service of the jurors or members of the Court of Honour being gratuitous, as in grand juries and courtsmartial at present; but that in all cases the party proved to be the aggressor in the dispute, and condemned by the verdict of the Court as being in the wrong, shall be held liable to the payment of all the costs on both sides, and be subject to be de tained in custody until such costs are discharged. 7. That the refusal, on the part of any individual giving or taking offence, to refer his case to the adjudi cation of a Court of Honour, constituted as above described, shall be taken to be an acquittal of the party consenting to such an appeal ; and such refusal of any one party, when communicated by the other who consents to the Court, shall, when duly authenticated, be published under their authority as a judicial settle ment of the case. 8. That in the event of both parties in any quarrel holding the authority of such Court of Honour in contempt, and still appealing to arms, and engaging in a duel with deadly weapons--whether actual injury be inflicted by the combat or not—the following penalties shall be imposed on the convicted offenders, whether principals, seconds, or accessaries before or after the fact. If in the civil, naval, or military service of his Majesty, the offenders shall be dismissed from their public employment, and deprived of all rank and pay for a period of not less than five, nor exceeding seven years. If in no branch of the public service, the offenders shall be deprived of all rank in society, and of all civil and political privileges as British subjects, and placed without the protection of the law for a like period. 9. That in the event of any wound being inflicted on, or death ensuing to, one or both parties engaged in any duel, the property of the other parties, includ ing both seconds and accessaries, shall be held liable for full pecuniary reparation to all who may be injured, either directly or indirectly, by such wounds or death, to the extent of maintaining, as far as the joint pro perty of all the parties will admit, the families and de pendants thus deprived of their natural protectors and supporters, in the same state and condition as they would have been maintained had no such wounds or death occurred. 10. That this act shall commence and take effect from the Ist day of January, 1835 ; that it shall ex. tend to every part of Great Britain and Ireland, and all our colonial possessions, settlements, forts, facto. ries, and establishments, wherever existing, by sea or land ; and that it shall be taken and deemed to be a publiC act, and shall be judicially taken notice of as such by all judges, justices, and others, without being specially pleaded. Her Majesty has, we perceive by an adver tisement in our paper of to-day, been pleased to cone fer her high and distinguished patronage upon that admirable series of works now publishing under the general title of the " Sacred Classics, or Cabinet Li brary of Divinity." During the course of its publica tion, we have felt it our duty to call the attention of our readers to the great importance of its contents, and the opportunity afforded to all classes of the commu i nity of accumulating that knowledge on which are established the soundest maxims of wisdom ; and happy are we to find that one so exalted in station, and whose character stands so high in the estimation of our countrywomen, should have had the discrimination to select such a work on which to bestow the influence of her patronage. It is as honourable to her Majesty as it must be gratifying to the spirited projector of so national a series of valuable works. We are also happy to see that Dr. Southey and the Rev. Oeerge Croly are shortly to give their valuable assistance in the production of the Introductory Essays, TO EARL GREY AND THE PETITIONS TO PARLIA MENT FROM GLASGOW, ON THE GRIEVANCES OF BRITISH DISSENTERS, AND THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. (From the Glasgow Argus.) On their arrival in London, the deputies immediately put themselves in correspondence with one of the city members, Mr. James Oswald, of whose attentions during their stay in London, and of whose services in promoting the objects of their mission, they cannot speak but in terms of sincere and grateful acknow ledgment. At Mr. Oswald's suggestion, a few days were allowed to elapse before the deputies applied to Earl Grey for the favour of an interview, arising from the many and pressing engagements with which his lordship was then engrossed ; but immediately on pre senting their request, which Mr. Oswald kindly en closed in a note from himself, Lord Grey communi cated his desire that the deputies should wait upon him at his official residence on the following day. Exactly at the hour fixed they were introduced to his lordship, whose whole demeanour and language was mild and courteous. After all were seated, the memorial was read by one of the deputies, and a con versation ensued, the substance of which has been for some time before the public. The sentiments of Lord Grey were well known beforehand, and he repeated strongly his conscientious attachment to the Church of England, and his determination to use his influence to preserve its legal establishment ; while he gave the deputies and the memorialists the same credit for their conscientious convictions which he requested them to extend to him. In as far, however, as the memorial is concerned, the deputies conceived that their mission was accomplished by their having obtained a patient hearing of the memorial by Lord Grey--by their hav ing the opportunity of stating to his lordship verbally important facts respecting the progress of the opinions which the memorial contains, and the perfect coinci dence of the memorialists with the great body of the English Dissenters on the vital question of the church and state, and in their contributing to draw the atten tion of many in England to the subject by the pub lishing of the interview and the memorial in the Eng lish journals, in nearly all the most influential of which these became the subjects of leading articles. From the arrangements of the House of Commons respecting petitions, a considerable time elapsed ere the petition could be presented, but an opportunity was thus afforded to the deputies of waiting on various members of Parliament, to whom the objects of the petition were explained. Mr. Gillon, to whom it was intrusted, did ample justice to its claims ; and by means of the petition from Manchester first, and next by the one from Glasgow, both of which, from the in fluential character of the places, and the number of signatures attached to them, excited great interest in the house, and drew forth sentiments from many mem bers in unison with those expressed in these and simi lar petitions, the way was in no inconsiderable degree prepared for the future discussion of the question with advantage in the House of Commons. The deputies deemed it their duty to endeavour to procure an interview with the Lord Chancellor, by whom the petition was to be presented to the House of Peers, which, through the good offices of Mr. Os wald, they readily obtained. His Lordship entered into a long conversation with them, with his charac teristic simplicity, clearness, and power; went over the grievances in detail, on which he unceremo niously declared himself; and ascertained their views respecting what is meant by the separation of church and state, with their reasons against a compul sory establishment of religion, without, however, com municating his own mind on this last subject. On presenting the p wasevid e e t a it t i l o y n pr t o o the dace house d.T a considerable herewasa good of members, and of tho se privileged a se t t n e s a a d t i a o a n c e stran gers who are admitted around the throne. The epis copal benches showed ten or twelve spiritual digni taries. His lordship spoke with great deliberation and energy about three-quarters of an hour—said he felt it a high honour to be intrusted with the petition _expressed his perfect concurrence with the petition ers in all matters prayed for, except the separation of church and state—laid down a principle in the follow ing wor d s , which, he said, must be followed out to all its consequences :—" No man ought to be injured, or in any way affected, in the possession or enjoyment of any of his civil rights, by the circumstance of his differing from other men in matters of religious opi nions ;" stated the only two reasons which he held for a civil establishment of religion—the one, that it is necessary to repress fanaticism—the other, that it is required for the religious instruction of the people. On this last, however, his lordship added these two remarkable qualifications—that he gave it " only as at present advised ;" and that, if any thing from holy writ could be shown him inconsistent with the civil establishment of Christianity, he must give up the question. During the whole debate, in which a good many members of the house joined, the tone of the house was kind and respectful, with but one ex ception, both to the petitioners and to the Dissenters in general. In regard to the sentiments of the city members on the subject of the petition, the deputies must content themselves with referring to the speeches of those hon. gentlemen in the House of Commons when the petition was discussed. The deputies may be permitted to express their con viction that their visit has been connected with the progress of the voluntary cause in England in another view. They do not refer to the well-known meeting of upwards of 300 deputies from the English provinces, who met in London in the course of last month, in whose proceedings, not having a commission to that body, they did not feel it to be their duty to mingle. But they allude to the highly important fact, that after a small preliminary meeting first, and next a larger one, a public meeting, at which at least 1,500 persons were present, was held in London on the 19th ult., when a British voluntary church society, consisting of persons of various religious denominations, holding evangelical sentiments, was unanimously formed, which society is to have its seat in London, and auxiliary institutions throughout the kingdom. From the highly influential character of the persons who have already joined this society, from the prepa ration for such a society previously not in London only, but throughout England, of which the two following of resolutions, passed unanimously at the meeting deputies referred to, may be adduced as proof That this meeting recognizes the great leading principle of a full and complete separation of church and state, as the true basis on which equal rights and justice can be secured to all classes of his Majesty's subjects ; and that this meeting recommends the formation of voluntary church societies in Lon don, and throughout the country, for the purpose of diffusing the great principles maintained by such asso ciations among the inhabitants of the United King dom ;" from the nature of that establishment by which the English dissenters are afflicted, unscriptural in its hierarchy, delusory in some of its most essential rites, avowedly subject to the King as its head, so entirely abolishing all scriptural discipline as to confound the distinction between the church and the world, in its i spirit and practice intolerant and persecuting, and now deserted by the majority of English worshippers and from the known convictions of many in the na tional church itself, who are persuaded that their PUBLIC MEETING AT EDINBURGH. MR. ABERCROMBIE AND THE ELECTORS. (From the third edition of the Caledonian Mercury, of Monday. ) _ This day, at two o'clock, Mr. Abercrombie met a large body of the constituency—indeed, as many as could find standing places in the large Waterloo Room—from the door of which we know that some hundreds went away disappointed of admission. Mr. Abercrombie was introduced to the electors by the Solicitor-General, Sir Thomas Dick Lauder,' Sir J. Gibson Craig, Bailie Thomson, Professor Messrs. Boyd Greenshields, Cuninghame, Skene, Maitland, &c., advocates, and a number of other gen tlemen, and was received by the large assembly with the most enthusiastic cheers. On the motion of Mr. Cuninghame, Bailie THOMSON was called to the chair, and after returning thanks for the honour conferred upon him, which he imputed more to the adventitious circum stance of his being a Bailie than to any merit in him self, introduced the hon. candidate to the meeting in a very few pertinent and judicious remarks on his past conduct, and in answer to the objections which had been urged against the citizens of Edinburgh choosing for their representative a member of his Ma jesty's government. Mr. ABERCROMBIE then rose, and was received with tremendous shouts of applause. lie said, Gentlemen, I acknowledge with feelings of gratitude and of pride the reception I have now met with from you my con stituents. I receive it as an indication that my past conduct has received your approbation, and I hail it as an anticipation . of the result of the coming election. (Great cheering.) I wish I had the power to express as strongly as I feel the gratitude which I entertain towards those who have on the present occasion con strued so favourably my past conduct. When I last had the honour of addressing you from this place, it was on the occasion when you were about to exercise for the first time the franchise given to you, by elect ing a member to represent you in Parliament. As a candidate for your favour and support, I felt it my first duty to lay plainly and simply before you the tendency and character of the political sentiments which had theretofore governed my conduct, and which I entertained at that time. It was my duty so to do, to enable you to decide how far it was safe and prudent in you to confer upon me the honour of representing you in Parliament, in conjunction with my late esteemed colleague. ( Cheers.) I now present myself before you when we are approach ing the end of the second session of the first Re.. formed Parliament. In the course of that ses sion, questions the most various, the most important, and most deeply affecting the great interests of the established institutions of the country, have been agi tated and discussed in Parliament. Upon all these, or upon most of these great and important questions, I believe my votes are well known to you. ( Cheers. ) You are diligent and close observers of the proceed ings of Parliament, and I have no doubt you have care fully watched the conduct of its members, more espe cially of those to whom you had intrusted the repre sentation of this great city. I have endeavoured, so far as my poor ability enabled me, to apply practically to those questions before Parliament the principles which I explained and professed in this room and in other parts of the city. (Cheers.) I gave no pledges, it is true, but I gave you the strongest reasons, and the strongest grounds, for forming an estimation of the nature and character of the opinions I entertained ; and I hope you have found, on reflection, that in the main I have acted upon my professions (Great cheer ing)—that I have not shrunk from the performance of any duty incumbent upon me to perform as your re presentative—that I have faithfully and industriously endeavoured to promote the local interests, and to carry into effect the wishes of my constituents, in as far as the most reasonable among you could desire —and that to all classes and conditions of men in this city, I have given attention and impartiality, and, as far as depended upon me, eval justice to all. I ant well aware, that in the multiplicity of other engage ment, and owing to the fatigue and exertion of this session of parliament, I may have failed in answering all who have addressed me. If I have done so, it was inadvertently ; and I hope they will believe me, when I assure them, that nothing was farther from my in teution, and that it arose from no deficiency of respect for them. (Great cheering.) To the non-electors, I hope I may say, that I have at all times received wil lingly any communication with which they have fa voured me, and on those occasions where I could possibly do so, I was ready to promote their views ; and when my judgment told me I could not, I firmly told them the truth. ( Cheers.) Ido not know that it is fit or necessary that I should refer to the various in stances where I have endeavoured practically to apply the principles I professed to the questions before par_ liament, for I do venture to entertain the hope that your minds are pretty well made up upon that. I hasten to that part of my address, which it is my duty to make you, and with regard to which it is of importance that I should be explicit, and that I should enter into some de tail—and upon which I have no doubt you are most anxious to hear me. I mean with respect to the grounds upon which I have thought it my duty to change my condition and my position towards you by accepting office. (Cheers.) It is not unusual, gen tlemen, for those who stand in such situations, to enter into some explanation regarding their regrets, their doubts, their deficiencies, and their scruples. Gentle men, I throw such considerations overboard (Long and continued cheering), and I beg to say, plainly and distinctly, that in accepting office I have thought it right--that I have thought it my duty to do so (Cheers), and I hope you will believe that if I h a d not thought it my duty, I would not have aceepteti, office. (Cheers.) But I feel it my duty to enter into some explanations, as plain and candidly as I can, ci' the moving considerations with me when called upon to make a decision as to whether I would accept office, and thereby vacate my seat and appeal to you once more for support and confidence. I hope I shall be able to satisfy you, as I certainly have satisfied my own mind, that in the course I have pursued I have endeavoured to perform a duty which I myself think right, and which I was induced to believe you would approve. (Cheers.) Gentlemen, when men are about to change their condition they generally first consider what they are to relinquish by doing so. In that view I have a good deal to relinquish. I had a place in Parliament to which I was sent by this most numerous, respectable, and most enlightened constituency, in the free exercise of their will and pleasure—l was as independent as man could be—l acknowledged no other dependence but that legiti mate, useful, and honourable dependence which it Aas the object of the Reform Bill to create and establish between constituents and their representatives, (Loud cheers.) That was the condition on which I held myself returned to Parliament, and on that view I have hitherto acted during these two sessions. No thing was more easy or agreeable than to have re mained in the position I was before; for I felt from some experience, unless I was greatly deceived, that while obeying the impulse of my own will and incli nation as I did, I had the consolation to know, that I was giving expression to the opinions of the great majority of my constituents. I felt that in the votes I gave I was carrying along with me the sympathy and approbation of you and your fellow electors. (Cheers.) I was enabled in this situation to sustain with ease, and without exertion, my independence as a member of Parliament, in an occupation which habit and long experience had rendered agreeable to me, and I was not willing nor ready to retire. Gentlemen, you are all aware, that the adrnie;.stra tion recently sustained a loss by the secession of some able and honourable men, in consear_tnee of a dife eD . ence which had arisen between them and their col leagues on one essential point. That these gentle ment were actuated by th e purest di ctates of honour were re,l was and conscienc e i n so seceding from the government, I never for a mome n t quest i one d ; and my conviction that they are honourabl e men l oaves not a doubt in my it when w was st t a h t e e yd to tne at h associated a mind, that wi shall s till fi n d t h em giving their able and effective support to all those generaleieom circumstances, principles anes which ap plied they maintainedto, and former colleague s . I n these friend with of their the government, that my consenting to co-operate with and assi st them in the duties, would be useful not only to them, bill to the public service. (Loud cheering, ) Genticmen, in these circumstances, it remained with Ale te decide whether I would refuse to do that which, h owever i t m i g h t a ff ect myself, was stated by my friends in the government would be useful both to them and to the public. Upon consideration I felt, that as I knew the members of his Majesty's government to be men of honour, whatever might be the conse quences to myself, I ought to accept of office- along, with them. I did accept; and I hope that you, my constituents, think that I did right in so doing. (Great cheering.) Gentlemen, lam aware, and I am sure so are you, that in this malicious and \\ icked world, the acceptance of office by any man is frequently insinuated to spring from some sinister or