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pe.isantty of were always the present. y, who were tes and grand Ireland should ed Parliament ice of Parlia- some modified into Ireland. portion of ita charity of this his Hon. ar id I emarks, but 14 d high-colour ed He did not dead )s happy w 6 43 t abated, and the oft time be re. a his commeo" een able to g 1 °a ,an with iroP s ' , . ions to put doll, iad, he admit teu ,, inquiry was 07 ,1 bat officers 0 , art in those p ro d should be fot dismissed frS !ar, hear.) ught against till )ore for Irelalv t. .they encourage') n from irelanit, an emigration the population!! tented remainec"il cease. He hop e " l ; and that thei, in many thing Jr. LEE, nether it sin!,l the he registration EQUER rePl iej )me modificatO!, Id the Irish 00 QUER said the, in the coarse 0 or Kerry did I, l ' eof Ireland. d [on. and Lear lj b , little too 10 0 tb e rl things iroro .ould turn bar :: I id not know Iv em ; but it wouoi :ountry if be b .meat i espec t l, Cie _by the l'g ri the table. :".'s AL. be tioned petition t hs t would take tOl ► the Noble V t l :e. He obse rc d ing of the Fr e,' o / ers, the folloWe raised to I lie demolish( j age really for;, 1 whether, 0 , 1 1 1 1, on the part of 0 1 4 whole or 03 bet f informed wheto,;. to any such P tb' t EQUER said ular if the i s " he ie motion tha t . 1 4 e House resdflor ibjection to ra''' Lg so, howeve r ' o 4 address the W if i if he merely goo ste answers tc l o il, mght that it es could not ue,V that co untrl Pl a I I properly. . 4 1 7 Mn of the atfai r r o !d afford the e ' e rli required pr?Pii,,, y of 1815, garrisoned I)) a the questie ° o! E advantage tfc I fortresses the whole qf O ,De . 0 ( to y protectioot, would, it , Co , l ' kliing into t d o i re, of being oelito me, in the e v •ations. uring the co o t er; on this sub:l ° j seen cons ider e d i t was theri,:ja; tn entered t think that , 11 (el .gainst attael‘i,yrro use he cy ° 5 0 # e, by a ll te_ ot tl . , f el', admit, ',h a l t a., " i t erit r 0 te. itain the gt'o f f ; neutrality o ,o j, et Englan d ' O ti3 l anteand the r tb, i ! neu tralitY4, , which it," 'n, formed a be' ter security for the peace of Europe than airy fortresses. These were the views upon which his Ma jesty's Government had acted, and though the fact had un • dw -lbted:y crime out more suddenly than was usually the caQe 'n matters of negociation, he had nu hesitation in saying that part of the fortresses were to be demolished. The Marquis of CHANDOS—What part? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was not Prepared to give the Noble Marquis an answer to that question. • Mr.-ROBINSON said, that a large amount of British for tresses, y had b een e xp en d e d in the erection of these for and they were now told that the Brilish Govern ment had consented to their demolition ; and, lie would dare to say, without asking for any indemnification from h'rauce, the only power to be benefitted by the arrange ment. As for guarantees of neutrality, be only desired to look hack at the events of the last twenty or thirty years, to learn how much value ought to be attached to t oenL—( Hear.) The CHANCELLOR o f th e EXCHEQUER sa id th a t t ile Hon. Gentleman must admit that the present Govern- It 'ent was not responsible for the money which had been expended in the erection of the fortresses.—(hear, hear.) The Marquis of CHANDOS said he wished to know whether there was any truth in the statement made in the "Pesch of the King o' the French, that the tri-coloured g ag floated on the walls of Lisbon. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not answer that question, as he hail had no opportunity of a Ptaking w i t h hi s Right Hun. Friend, the First Lord of ip t he Admiralty, on the subject. But the speech of the k ing of the French did not state that the tri-coloured flag Waved on the walls, but before the walls of Lisbon. Lord STORMONT asked the Noble Lord (Althorp) Whether he would have any objection to allow some day to be set apart for the discussion of foreign politics. Events had taken place of so extraordinary a character, that notwithstanding the compromise which had been en tred into w ith res p ec t t o th e disc uss i o n o f the Reform ' k i n; some day (whatever day the Noble Lord might nu° ''se) ought to be devoted to their consideration. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that Government could fix no day for the discussion, while tht negociations were pending ; but it was competent for any gentleman to bring forward a motion on the subject. Lord STORMONT intimat e d his intention of doing so. afrd J. RUSSELL sa id t h at t h ere wou ld b e no o bj ect i on : n t he part of Ministers to discuss foreign politics when ive,r the Noble Lord (Stormont) should think proper to t log them under the consideration of the House ; and lie had , no doubt th at h; s N o bl e F r i en d (Lord Palmerston), 7 l ° l3 had j ust entere d t h e H ouse , wou ld b e rea dy t o g i ve the information on the subject which was consistent ltit hie public duty. But his purpose in rising at pre seat was to state—what, perhaps, would not he pro- D er 'Y understood from the Speech of the King of the ta r i t c a ch--that the demolition of the fortresses was not to t Place immediately, but was to be subject to the recog -4M of the King of Belgium by all the principal Powers Europe, and to sonic arrangement which would in con liNtlenee be formed by them. Colonel EVANS quite agreed with the Noble Lord r l tuorp) that the fortresses were too numerous and too 7ge; and he concurred in thinking that it was the inte- I Zt of the diff erent P owers to preserve t h e neutra li ty o f igiutn, The petition was then ordered to be printed. Oa the motion that the House resolve itself into a Corn u'ittee of Supply, Captai n W. GORDON sa id , t h at i n consequence o f a tragraph which appeared in the speech of the King of til e Fren c h, h e w i shed to know from the No b le Lord (Pal p_eettton) wheth er h e h a d rece i ve d any i n f ormat i on o f t h e neh squadron having forced a passage up the Tagus. c Emd PALMERSTON s a id th a t h e h a d j us t receive d ac note from t h e E ng li s h A m b assa d or at P ar i s, stat i ng that t el lvaphic despatch bad b een rece i ve d a t P ar i s , contain ing that the Commander of the French fleet 411 renewed tile demands for satisfaction made by the French U nvernment, and that not having obtained the required ta tisfaction the French fleet had entered the Tagus. A T6ut resistance was made by on e o f t h e f orts, b ut w h en e accounts came away, the French fleet was within the i . l , 3 gttst and the Government of Portugal had acceded to '" demands of France. The SPEAKER then left the Chair, and the House re solved into a COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. T he first question put was, that 112.9251. he granted to defray the charges of his Majesty's Consuls and Con -I.4l,l'.General for 1831 ; also superannuation for retired suowane m these ROBINSON thought that in all countries where itzeettaerywoal!-an Ambassadorial establishment, the chief se ttle Ambassadors might perform all the duties of Con suls -General. lie wished to know what was the d a r ! l ,,of Consul s -G enera l b e i ng appo i nte d to P ar i s, an d Ma o' and a i nd W as hi ngton. H e found that the salary of the 0 6001 General at Li s b on h a d b een re d uce d f rom 1,200/. . Why had not the salary of the Consul-General at Mad r id b een likewise reduced in the same proportion? e also obj ec t e d to t h e num b er o f C onsu l s appo i n t e d to ferent pla ces in South America ; and said, that the ar rangements ma d e b y t h e U n i te d 4tates for the protection f the interests of their commerce were less expensive and * tri O r e efficacious than those of England. lie considered ''' L at the resentplan of Consuls might advantageously be , auu , li alled P , and the old system, with some improvements ”n" modifications, returned to. Lord PALMERSTON w as not prepared to enter into statement of the improvements which were contemplated '1 Government in the Consular department. Ile had, however, communicated with the President and Vice- P resident of the Board of Trade on the subject, and would be ready in the next Session to state what alterations it Watt thought advislble to make. The present vote was a W re duction o f 9,000/. or 10,000/. on the vote of last year. i th respect to the Consul a t W as hi ng t on , h e cou ld i n - Col the Hon. Gentl e m an th a t th a t appo i ntment was to di scontinued ; but with regard to the Consuls in South san l • fberica, many of them wer e app o i n t e d t o p l aces w h ere ere was no dipl oma ti c es t a bli s h ment , an d m i g h t , there re. he regarded as diplomatic aes. c.ondAfriatlt. GORDON strongly co nt ndemned the existing h system, and e xp resse d hi s regre t that Ministers not down to th e H o u se with a proposition for e tv a42 ‘ n g its The Committee was told that somethicg / p hi be done next year, but that did not satisfy him. e thought an improvement of the present system might be effected in a very short time. lL°lll P ALMERSTON said the subject was one of a eerY complicated nature, involving many important consi lhearatatkioe 0 make any t ns t .Nilthlis limited capacities, he could not un change in a short period, though per t\ Pl' the superior intelligence of the Hon. Member for 'ricklade would enable him to do so. t I t GORDON said if the Noble Lord would refer r4:, l Peeclaes delivered during the last Session of Parlia- Ati,, ; Y his Right H on . C o ll eague th e Fi rs t Lord of the slt eat ra ltY, he would there find a plan laid down for the A r i ion of the consular system.—(llear.) r * Ald erman THOMPSON said this was a question As I v bich the commercial interest was deeply interested.. q o ,7 e knew the subject was under the consideration of '4,,,'onient, and believed they were anxious to effect any Ij:ravel/lent which mighty be found practicable, he would m litieet to the propose te. W, t ht. Ss RICE said it was necessary to deal cautiously t "e question fit st, on account of the interests of ns . : 'fli erce,' and, sezondly, because the present system was I,Pen V oluntarily opted by the Government, but forced them by,the House. Sir M. W. RIDLEY confirmed the statement of the of toht lion. Gentleman, that the system now complained Net a e,, s forced u p on th e G overnment . It ca me recom trsd to the House by the S e le c t C o mmittee on foreign . th at e • tie b e li eve d t h at merc h ants were now con vinced a acted Modified system of fees was the best that could be Pen ' l:L„ • Rs DOUGLAS expressed an opinion, as we mi '4 that the consular duties would be better per k if the officers were paid by fees instead of receiving sala t ree. Sis J. s lat ', Wll3 01 opinion that the sys . tem . of wo"luioseration which would be least liable to objection est 11 be one consisting partly of fees and partly of fixed At the same time, he thought that it mould be to aba n d on t h e present system w ith out d ue de . of • of 4 : 1 110 N. i\lvatsiett said that it was the general wish r , t ' r ehants th at t h e system of paynunt b y l ets s h ou ld b e eeerted to. as e S o ir ,.G. ROSE believed that if Consuls should be paid as,, i _ u t m lng to a scale o f f ees esta bli s h e d i n eac h coun t r y, th e ni t would give general satisfaction. lion WARBURTON was desirous that the retnunera- L wheth er i t consisted of fees or salary, should not be 'l',...astire as t o b ecome an object of patronage with the fir s„ ROBINSONeI°uI said th a t, if t h e present system th„ w ceatised, it st i'v'sed, and tic,: salaries of -7,?filcers must be reduced. Vote was then agreed to. e foli o tthen '• without 1. 05, n mg N o es w eie agreet..to !stn.- '150,000 for the extraordinary expenses of the army. t 9 3,000 for the Commissariat Department. r,S:IS to defray the law expenses of Scotland. ,910 was voted for the civil establishment of the Bahama Islands, after a desultory conversation, in whirl, Mr. Robinson, Lord Howick, Colonel Davies, Mr. R. Gordon, Mr. S. Rice, Lord Althorp, Mr. Warbui ton, and Mr. Milks took part. The next voce was for 6,625/., for defraying the civil charge for Nova Scotia. Mr. ROBINSON was glad to perceive that there was a reduction of 2,147/. under this head, as compared with the charge of last year. He thought, however, when he saw a sum of 20,0007. appropriated by the colony, out of its own revenues, for local improvements, and 5,0007. fur the encouragetnent of the fisheries, that the colony might very well dispense with farther assistance from Parliament. After some observations from Mr. K. DOUGLAS, Lord Howler:, and Mr. \Vtr.►s, the grant was agreed to. It was then proposed to grant 4,000/. to defray the charges of the cia establishment of the Island of Bermuda. Mr. ROBINSON observed, that the grant now called for was to the same amount as that which had been voted . last year. He should be glad to know why the Colonial Secretary at Bermuda received 8001. a-year, while in other colonies of much greater extent the Colonial Secre tary received only 500/. or 6001. a-year ? Lord lIOWICK said, that the Colonial Secretary at Bermuda acted also as private Secretary to the Governor, and had, in consequence, considerable additional duties to perform. Ile conceived that 8001. a-year was not too high a salary for the situation. The whole matter would • however, undo-go a strict revision ; and if the salary were found to be too much, it should be reduced. Mr. ROBINSON could not conceive any reason why the Colonial Secretary at Bermuda should receive 800/. a-year, while the Colonial Secretary at Sierra Leone, that pestilential climate, only received 600/. a-year. The resolution was then agreed to. The next vote was for 3,320/. to defray the charges of the civil establishment at Prince Edward's Island. I Agreed to, without observation. The sum of 11,2611. was then proposed for defraying the charge of the civil establishment of Newfoundland. Mr. ROBINSON opposed this motion. Newfound laud, it should be observed, had no local judicature : and a vote of 11,0001. was now called for in aid of re venues raised in that colony, not by the power of a local judicature, lint by acts of that House. He contended, that money raised in Newfoundland by acts of the legisla ture here, ought to be accounted for to Parliament, just like any other vote of the public money. He now wished to call the attention of the committee to the situation in which the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. H. Villiers), who filled the situation of agent for the island, stood at present. The island, he was bound to say, had not de rived any benefit from that Hon. Gentleman's exertions. He would here shortly give to the House a history of that appointment. Some years ago the inhabitants of New foundland could only communicate with the Government through the medium of the Admiral who was placed on that station. They found, in consequence, that their interests were neglected, and that Government was not properly apps ized of their situation. They therefore ap • plied to Government, that they might themselves he al , lowed to appoint an agent. All they wanted was, to select a person who should be acquainted with the situation of the country, and who would, consequently, be enabled to place the situation of the colony in its true light before Government. But what did the Government do, in con sequence of this application? They immediately ap pointed an agent themselves, with a salary to lie paid out of the revenue of the colony. In the observations which he was about to make, he meant nothing personal to the Hon. Member, but having a large stake in New foundland, he would say to the Hon. Member that he had never given the slightest assistance to that colony. It was undoubtedly right that the Hon. Member should not allow his duty with referenee to New foundland to interfere with that which he owed to the in terests of the country in general; but, assuredly, he ought not to be paid out of the revenue of the colony, when, upon various points, he took a view of the interests of Newfound land totally different from that which was entertained by the inhabitants. He understood that the Hon. Member had now taken office under the Crown—that he had ac cepted a situation connected with the East Indies. He congratulated the Hon. Member on h•wing taken office, and he was convinced that he was extremely well calculated to render good service to any Government to which he might please to attach himself. But if he were placed in a situa tion which caused his duties to lie of a conflicting nature, so that he was compelled, as agent, to take a view of cer tain matters adverse to the interest of the colony, out of whose revenues he was remunerated, he thought that he ought to feel himself obliged, in honour, to lay down that office. There was no colony better able to support a larger population than Newfoundland, if it had fair play ; but, un fortunately, it never had fair play. He was instructed by the inhabitants of Newfoundland to say, that if a local le gislature were granted to them,—which they were equally entitled to with the other North American colonies,—they would never ask that House for another farthing. If no reason were given by the Hon. Member for Bletchingley (Mr. Hyde Villiers) fur the continuance of this salary to the agent for Newfoundland, he should move, as the only means open to him, that the vote be reduced by 3001. Lord HOWICK said, lie must complain that, when questions were asked, Hon. Gentlemen should, with out attending to the answers, go on debating those ques tions as if no answer bad been given to them. He ap pealed to every Hon. Gentleman present whether he had not, in answer to a question from the Hon. Member for Cricklade, stated, that when his Hon. Friend (the Mem ber for Bletchinglev) accepttd the office of Secretary to the Board of Trade, his lion. Friend had intimated to the Treasury that he should no longer draw his salary as agent fur Newfoundland.—( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Mem ber for Worcester seemed to know a great deal about New foundland, but perhaps it had escaped the Hon. Member's knowledge that the Chamber of Commerce at St. John's had sent a vote of thanks to his Hoe. Friend the Member for Bletchingley, which vote was couched in the hand somest terms. In the face of this fact the Hon. Member fir Worcester came down to that House and asked Hon. Members to believe, upon his individual authority, that the Hon. Member for Bletchingley was a sinecurist, and that his services were rather hurtful than advantage ous to the colony.—(Hear, hear.) With regard to the pre— sent estimate, he had already promised the House that in the next session a regular statement of the whole ex penditure should be laid before them. Ile did not think this a proper opportunity for entering upon the question of giving a local legislature to Newfoundland. He agreed, however, with the Hon. Member, that the wealth and in telligence of these colonists entitled them to a more direct controul over their affairs than they at present enjoyed ; and he had no hesitation in saying, that to give them such con troul the Government was most anxious. This, however, was a matter of some difficulty, and required much con sideration, because it would be extremely inconvenient and unjust to give to one part of the population a pre ponderance over the others. The way to avoid this was not yet apparent. Mr. ROBINSON said, that he had not heard the an swer of the Noble Lord to the Hon. Measlier for Crick lade : if he had, he should not have made the observations he had made. Lord HOWICK said that the question and answer had arisen out of a debate to which the Hon. Member himself had given rise, and that the Hon. Member was in the House when the answer was given. Mr. H. VILLERS said, that it was hardly necessaty he should say any thing after what had fallen from the Noble Lord, only be did not choose to remain silent under the imputations which had been cast upon hint by the Hon. Member for Worcester. Ile had considered himself as holding this office for the benefit of the colony, and with no other view whatsoever. The Chamber of Com merce being the only part of the population that acted in a corporate capacity, he had communicated with the 3letn hers of the Chamber, and stated to them that he did not wish to hold the office one moment after they should conee to the opinion that his services wire not beneficial to the colony. And what had the Chamber of Commerce done? Had they asked him to relinquish the office? On the con tra' y, in every report they had made they had acknow ledgel his services in the handsomest manner, and partial lardy by a recent vote of thanks to which his Noble Friend had alluded, but which was far too flattering for it to be becoming in hint to do more than glance at. At the same time he was boustl to admit that there were some mem bers of the coloay who wished to see the Hon. Member for W o rcester in this (dike, and perhaps the Hon. Member himself participated in that wish.—(" Hear," and a laugh.) He had only to add , that as the Noble Lord had stated to the Committee, be had declined to draw any longer for his salary as agent for the colony. Mr. IIUNT thought, that as the Hon. , Gentleinan h a d given up the salary, they ought to be benehtted by it, and that the we ought to be reduced by 500/. Mr. ROBINSON repeated that he had not before heard the statements which had now been made. The on. Member for Bletchinglev , however, was mistaken if he thought that he (Mr. Robinson) was not awat. of the votes of ehanits from the Chamber ef Commerce. The lion. Member: might shake his h ead, but be could tell the Hon. Member that he had received from the Ch tuber of Commerce an account of all their proceedings; and further, that the Chamber of Commerce had acted ? he might say, almost under his advice. He had not gr .t e i ;to e all his objections to this vote, one part of w I meant the expense of the Government-house—wo tify him in objecting to it altogether, lie should now after what had passed, and after the unsatisfactory nature ' of what had fallen from the Noble Lord with regard to; eiving a local legislature to the colony, object to the vote altogether. Mr. S. RICE entreated the Committee to observe the course which the Hon. Member fur Worcester had pur sued; first, the Hon. Member objected to the vote on ac count of a certain 300/., awl then he farther objected to it on account of the constitution of the colony. To the first objection the Hon. Member had received, as he himself admitted, a complete and satisfactory answer. Then, as to the constitution of the colony, the Hon. Member had received from his Noble Friend a frank admission that the wealth and the intelligence of the colony had made it a matter of anxious consideration to give to Newfoundland a local legislature; but his Noble Friend had said that this subject required time, because it was difficult to form such a plan as would prevent giving an undue preponde rance to a particular part of the colony. Having re ceived these answers, then what did the Hon. Member for Worcester do? Why, finding that his objection as to the 3001. fell to the ground, the Hon. Member turned round, and said that he would object to the vote altogether,—to the whole vote,—until the Government gave a new con stitution to Newfoundland... 4 Hear, hear.) Now surely a Committee of Supply was not the proper place wherein to discuss the nature of a new constitution for this colony —( Hear, hear)—and such a course came, he must say, with a peculiarly bad grace from the Hon. Member for Wor cester, who had given notice of a motion which would bring the whole subject under the consideration of the House. He did not deny that there were many objections to these estimates, which he had before characterised as calculated to delude Hon. Members, and to keep from the House the knowledge of the real amount and nature of the expenditure. The expenditure of the Government-house was a proof of this. The original estimate for that house, as agreed to by Parliament, was 8,7781. But what suns did the Committee suppose had actually been laid oat upon the house ? Why, the whole expenditure, exclusive of stores sent from England, was 30,1581., although the estimate had been only 8,778/.—(llear, hear.) He said that this was the amount of the expenditure, exclusive of stores sent from England. Now some of the Hon. Gen tlemen opposite knew a good deal about Newfoundland, and could therefore tell whether there was any stone in the colony. Several How. MEMBERS-Plenty. Mr. S. RICE continued. Then, Hon. Members would doubtless be very much surprised to learn that granite had been sent from England for this house.—(Cries of " Oh," and laughter.) Ile had no hesitation in saying that such a house was quite unnecessary; but, even if it had been necessary, still the Government ought to have been ap plied to for permis•ion to lay out such a sum of money upo❑ a house, the cost of which, in the estimate laid before them, was put at 8,7781., and not at 30,158/.—(Hear.) Hon. Members would observe, by a Treasury minute that had bean laid upon the table, that effectual means had been taken to guard against the recurrence of such a cir cumstance ; that estimates of every work would be laid before the House previous to the works being undertaken ; and that, in succeeding estimates, the House would have an opportunity of seeing whether the original estimates had been exceeded. Mr. JOHN WOOD said, he had thought that what came out upon the navy estimates had been bad enough ; but that this affair of the Government-house at New foundland was much worse. He hoped that measures would be taken to prevent any thing of the kind hap pening again, for he was sure that a Reformed Parliament would impeach any Minister who should do the Mr. R. GORDON said he had often urged upon Go vernment the adoption of a principle which he hoped his Majesty's present Ministers would act upon,—namely, the proposing the estimates always a year in advance. That principle was the one which was followed in France, and if it were adopted here, they would be now voting the estimates for 1832, and which they would deal with as they pleased in the way of retrenchment, instead of the estimates be fore them, the greater portion of which had been already expended. Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that he fully concurred with his Hon. Friend, as to the adoption of the principle to which he had alluded, and he was sure that his Hon. Friend would he glad to hear that as far as the navy esti mates were concerned that principle had already been acted upon to a great extent. He (Sir J. Graham) had by means of the unappropriated balances been enabled to carry on the service of the navy up to the Ist of April without drawing on the estimates for the current year, so that the present navy estimates would defray the expenses of the service up to the Ist of April, 1832, and it was probable that before that period the navy estimates for the next year would be brought forward.—(Hear.) He had grounds for Loping that his Majesty's Government would he enabled to adopt the same principle with regard to the other departments connected with the public service. Mr. PAGET hoped that the promises which were made by his Majesty's Ministers on this subject would be re deemed. Fur his part, he would say that he believed they were made in good faith. After a few words from Mr. J. Wood, Mr. Hunt, and Mr. S. Rice, and from Mr. Robinson, who said he would not divide the Committee on this occasion, the vote was agreed to. _ _ The next vote was for the sum of 9,7301. 15s. 10d. to defray the charges of the civil establishment of Sierra Leone for the year 1831. Lord G. SOMERSET wished to know whether his Majesty's Government were still determined to act upon the recommendation of a Gtmmittee of that House with regard to the transferring of the establishment of Sierra Leorle to Fernando Po, and also whether they had received any recent satisfactory information as to the state of the health in the latter settlement. •The first accounts from Fernando Po had represented it as a comparatively most salubrious situath,n, but certainly the appearances of the witnesses who came to London from that island did not bear out that statement. Lord HOWICK said that the recommendation of the Committee to which the Noble Lord alluded was, that the establishment at Sierra Leone should be transferred to Fernando Po. The preparations for doing so bad been carried on to a considerab'e extent by the late Govern ment. After, however, those preparations had been carried to that extent, Spain set up a claim t o the Island of Fernando Po, and it was required by the Tr, aty and Act of Parliament under which the mixed Commission at Sierra Leone acted, that that Commission could only sit in the discharge of its duties upon a British territorial possession. Spain offered to relinquish her claim to the island upon the payment of one hundred thousand pounds. That was a SUM the payment of which was quite out of the question. In that manner considerable delay siderable delay had taken place, and should Spain persist her claim, the Court of Mixed Commission must remain at Sierra Leone, and the whole establishment at Fernando Po must given up. He was sorry to say, that accord ing to the latest accounts which had been received by Go vernment, Fernando Po did not appear to be much better as regarded health than Sierra Leone, which was indeed as bad as it possibly could be. The accounts of the mortality • in the latter place were dreadful. He trusted, however, that the mortality, which chiefly prevailed among the Eu ropeans, would be in a great degree, diminished, by the employing, as his Majesty's Government were determined to do, l'ersous of colour to fill as much as possible the si tuations in that colony. They hoped to be able to find a sufficient number of persons in the West Indies qualified to fill such situations, and by' that means they trusted that the mortality which had hitherto prevailed at Sierra Leone would be materially diminished, Mr. KEITH DOVGLAkr; said that the foreign slave trade was carried on now to a greater extent, and under worse circumstances, than it had been hitherto. He com plained that France was not acting up with good faith to the provisions of the treaty for putting an end to 'the slave trade. Ile was happy to understand that his Majesty's Government were at present engaged in ;cgotiations with France on the subject, lie was convinced that if both countries agreed to the right of mutual searela in three mouths an end would be put to the slave-trade, and that the establishment at Sierra Leone might be altogether abandoned. Up to the year 1824, the civil expences of that establishment amounted to 2,208,000/. The same expenses from that time up to 1830, amounted to 1,082,0001. The riaval expenses from 1807 to 1824 had 'seen 1,630,0001. The payments to Spain and Portugal amounted to 1,230,0001. Thg expeuaes ott Account of c.ptur e d saves amounted to t 133,0921. Ilk: expenses in curred for commissioas was 193,000/. Altog:ther this esta blishment had cost the country already nearly 8,000,000/. Sir G. MURRAY said, that Fernando Po appeared in the first instance to be a more commodious place. They could not, however, all at once get rid of the establishment 'at Sierra Leone, by transfrriing it to the former place, and it WaS afters aria found from experience that Fernando l'o was not mote salubrious than Sierra Leone. Having -x.phuned the negotiatioiis which the late Government had alth Spain on the suli;ect of esOblishiog the t;unonission • it Fernando Po, the y 'Hight lion. Gentleman stated ,hat Spain did not hold out for a large sum, and lat the principal difficulty lay in accommodating the ,chum; treaty so as to meet the wishes of both Govern cents. There had been justly a great sensation e xcited this country in consequence of the great mortality at onra Leone ; but that had been much lessened in comae ,ilience of the number of Europeans employed there having seen decreased, and if his Majesty's Government should act as the Noble Lord had stated, it would be still farther diminished. The principal reason why he (Sir Georg Murray), when at the head of the Colonial department, was unwilling to abandon that colony was, because he !oohed upon it as the only chance of introducing civilization ink, Africa. That establishment had no doubt cost the country an enormous expense, and he quite agreed with the Hon. Member for Weymouth in the opinion, that the greatest difficulty in putting a complete end to the slave trade con sisted in the want of a faithful and cordial co-operation on the part of the French Government towards carrying the objects of the treaty for that purpose into effect. Colonel TORRENS said th it he had that day received a letter from Fernando Po, in which it was stated that now that the woods had been cleared away, it had become a much more salubrious station than it hail been hitherto. It w as c l ear , he laid, that nothing could be done for an advantage of the West India Colonies until the slave trade was abolished. He should regret the removal of the cs'a blishment from Fernando Po. Giptain HARRIS dwelt upon the great advantages which he stated would arise from making the chieftains of Africa properly acquainted with the principles of political economy, and more especially with those relating to the doctrine of exchange and the value of labour. He had a plan, he said, to propose for a reciprocity of commerce with Africa, which would do away with the slave trade alto gether, and which, though he had laid the outlines of it be fore his Majesty's Government, they had never come to him to consult him upon it. A MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, com plained of the extent to which the slave trade was carried on under the French flag. Sir J. GRAHAM coincided in opinion with the Hon. Member who bad just sat down, that the slave trade was carried on in Spanish and foreign bottoms, under the French flag; but he was convinced that the trade never could be suppressed until the mutual right of search was conceded by different nations. He could assure the Com mittee, that his Majesty's Ministers were making every exertion in order to induce the Government of France to agree to a reciprocal right of search, and by which alone the traffic could be suppressed. Mr. STRATFORD CANNING said, that between four and five years ago he had negociated with the Go vernment of the United States of America a treaty, by whirls the right of search between the two nations was reciprocally conceded. He had had the honour of signing that treaty in conjunction with the late Mr. Huski,son, and it was approved by the Executive Government of America ; but, unfortunately, owing to the feelings of irritation which then exis'ed against England, the treaty was thrown out by the Senate. At present officers who searched foreign vessels did it on their own responsibility, and that responsibility was so very great, that it could not be expected that officers would always be ready to incur the risk. The vote was then put and carried. Upon the CHAIRMAN putting the question, that a corn not exceeding 16,1821. be granted to defray the expenses of the Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts, Mr. WARBURTON said it was not his intention to divide the Committee on this grant, but he felt confident that no vote which P.irliament could come to could pos sibly tend more effectually to alienate the minds of the co lonists from the parent country. When the great body of the colonists were of another religion, it was most absurd to be voting money for a forced support of the Anglican church. Mr. WILKS objected to the great extent of the grant, as well as to the principle of attempting to establish a l church among a people who were hostile to its doctrines. Mr. LABOUCHERE had already expressed his de cided opposition to these votes, and was convinced that no Member, who had given any attention to the subject could come to any other conclusion. He was anxious that the vote should not pass without obtaining from Mi nisters a decided declaration, whether they did or did not intend in future to propose any similar grants. He wished the grant to be altogether abandoned, but gra dually, so as not to hurt any individuals who now de pended on it. He had in his possession a petition which had been voted unanimously by the House of Assembly in Lower Canada, and which prayed that these grants, and the system that they were intended to sup port, should be put an end to, for it was unqoestionably true that the system did excite against the Church of Eng land feelings of jealousy and suspicion. The Church of England in Canada ought to be put upon the same footing as all other Christian churches, and until this was done the Church of England would lag behind all other sects. Nothing could be more preposterous than to establish a place of education in Canada upon principles which pre vented nine-tenths of the people front availing themselves of the instruction. He wished his Majesty's Minsters to answer him on three points—first, whether they intended in future to continue these votes a—secondly, whether they intended to apply themselves to the subject of the clergy reserves ;—and, thirdly, whether the charter of the Uni versity of Canada was under the consideration of the Co lonial-office. Mr. WARBURTON wished likewise to be informed whether Ministers were not in possession of a memorial from the Bishop and Clergy of Quebec, praying that the Clergy reserves might not be divided with the Church of Scotland ? It had always been understood in that House that the reserves should be divided between the Church of Eneland and the Church of Scotland. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would answer the four questions on the pat t of his Majesty's Mi nisters. With respect to the first question he would say, that Ministers did not defend this vote upon principle. The point, the Committee was aware, was one of consi derable difficulty, as it involved the whole question of the church establishment of Canada: it was therefore imps. sible to take any step rapidly, but it did appear to hint that it was not fitting that the people of England should be called upon to provide funds for the support of the clergy and church establishment r f Canada. It was the intention of Ministers gradually to reduce this grant, and to abolish it as soon as possible. The clergy reserves were highly detrimental to the prosperity of the colony, but he could give no pledge on this subject, which was one of great difficulty. The subject of the College was under the consideration of the colonial department ; though he could not give a more satisfactory answer on this point than on the preceding. With respect to the last question, he was not aware that any such representation had been received in this country. Mr. HUNT would merely follow the example which his Majesty's Ministers had set when they were in oppo sition, for they had then moved that this grant should be diminished by one-half, and that it should entirely cease in 1831. They had divided the House on that question, and of the list of the minority which be held in his hand, the first name was that of Lord Althorp, and the last was Lord Howick's.—(A laugh.) He should imitate their example, and move that the grant be now reduced to 8,0001., and that it be abolished in 1832. Ile personally knew a Mr. Griffin who had pat him in possession of the' facts the Society proceeded in No r th A mer i ca . But how of how was this society to be support e d ? Why, by subscriptions, and the deficiency was to be made up by Parliament. The subscription had been risen. —(A laugh.) It was always amusing to the House when he made a mistake in grammar. Why should the Hou se expect him to be so correct ? When other Members made gross grammatical errors, they only estc;aod a snide in a few literary gentlemen, but whoa be made any errors they were sore to be met by a great laugh.—(Loud laughter.) But the subscriptions altogether to this Society had amounted to only 33,313/. ; there had Loon raised in churches, by virtue of King's ' s etters, the mum of 55,858/., and Parliament had voted 2,03,088/. This was, frein 1814, when the Society Was first established. Mr. crist had bees sent to Prince Edward's ;slinsa, and had reported that he had found neither church nor congregation. He was then removed os where he was told that he would find both, but for a church he had found only a few score of boards nailed t ogether, and the space they enelessed was filled with shee p. For th e h otteety G ttoy./ his reports he was at hst re and now no Bi s h op wou ld l i cense h i nt to preach and. B ut h ow was t h e money spec,t by ed altogether,in Eng this Society ? Bishop Inglis had a qa 1 . 5 4 - y - y of : - .l s Woi, tt ye ar, and yet the S oc i ety addad to it 400/. a year. Arch deacon Willis had a oa l a 4 of 1,5004 a year, and yet he t ith Archdeacon Foster• and their (isr e ceived 2001. ruore f sin the n t ptiluyt,gieit.l.atl:iuictioi persevere va :l sn v it i od t a la se le y ti n rha t e c (e i l l : t el e ili . , :a nl s b i o a t a o l v a h e n e :s i d d e sr . The Society Possessed two estates in Paabadoes, with 700 f the sons of placemen. I-Ie of these negroea was, to support a codege for the education a men:lS - neut. Lout IIOWICI. lead beer the resolution ie . h the , t to L n ;c:t o s v t ed ha . ddilooung.h:lenntitbett•ofoirmyPil•ens,tilo4neyhfaodi. the resolution on the ground that the peopl e o f England an y such purpose; but he had expressly statpi that hts to beina“ltsli it was not his wish to expose any ;sod:a:duals to hard to s hips by a sudden reduetioss th'e grant, and that lie express its opinion that the principle of the grant rel A y s opportunity ilad gien a fo r t pledgethe as llin a i n sters to reduce the grant, he trusted that the Honourable Mern her would withdraw big amendment. Many clergyruen were employed in the colonies by the society on salaries m erely sufficient for their decent tnaintenanc and these i'itnitia(g)duleiset perso a hovieg bun sent out on Vie feies of these salaries, it wo.al be an act of monstrous injustice to recall the,;. No additio::al persons ought to bs scot out, and thus the grants iniri,t he gradually abolished, cud the soc i e ty lei to supra it own rni,'.iona'ir• Hee believed the so ciety to be of groat use, bur by eiiling upon Parliament to supply its dtficiences it 'hied ti e the sources of pri vate charity. Mr. R. GORDON thought that the Noble Lord ought to have taken the subject into his consideration eight months ago, when i.e came into office. By the report of the Society, it was evident that they mismanaged their own affairs, and the public money ought not to be in trusted to them : 4,333/. was granted for Nova Scotia, and how was this distributed? Whilst the Bishop wa• allowed .2,000/. a-year, the Presbyterian clergyman re ceived but 751., and yet the Presbyterians were as three o one compared to the Church of England. But tile cry of Ministers always was, that every thing was under consideration ; but the Noble Lord hal been in office. Night months, and ought to have considered this question long ago. Mr. HUNT thought that the Noble Lord had not on'y furnished him with grounds for dividing the Committee, but had even supplied him with hopes of dividing it successfully. If the Bishops and Clergy wore so liberally-minded as the Noble Lord said they were ; that was in favour of his mo tion, as this vote was the less necessary, Mr. BRISCOE said, he was one of the minority alluded to; but he was hound to say, that the Noble Lord's ex. planation was candid and just, and he recommended the Hon. Member for Preston not to divide the House, Sir It INGLIS, with reference to the cases brought forward by the Hon. Member for Preston, said he eou!d not give credit to them; it was, indeed, only assertion against assertion. Colonel DE LACY EVANS said, that it was not the mere vote of 16,000/. which was involved, but the ex pense must be greater. He objected to the vote, as throw ing impediments in the way of the colonists themselves, though it was not f,ir to lower the vote this year. Sir J. M. DOYLE thought he could suggest a middle course. There was a very rich bishopric now vacant— (Hear)—which be thought might furnish an easy way of recompensing the respectable individuals in question, who had done their duty. He threw this out as a sug gestion. Mr. R. GORDON would make another suggestion. If the vote was suffered to pass, the whole subject should be referred to a Committee of Inquiry. Mr. HUNT said, if his Majeety's Ministers would take the advice of the Hun. Member for Carlow (Sir J. Doyle,) he would withdraw his motion; otherwise he would divide the House. Sir IL HARTY made a few remarks which we could not bear. Air. A. BARING observed that if half the vote was cut oft, now that three quarters of the year were gone, and before information could be communicated to the in dividuals, it would be unjust. He was averse to the grant, and remarked that where it was made, the Esta blished Church of England was declining ; whereas in the United States, where the church was a mere private church, it was growing.—(Hear, hear.) Experience showed that where there were large salaries and grants, jobs and sinecures soon appeared. He therefore recom mended to the Noble Lord (Howick), between this and the next Session, to devise a scheme for the final abolition of the grant. The Committee then divided, when there appeared, For the amendment 47 Against it Majority for the original resolution -13 S The followin; votes were then agreed to :- 37,500/. for convicts' stores for New South Wales and Van Dieman's Land. 37,154/. for the establishment at Fernando Po. On the resolution for granting 24,3311. for the settle ment on Swan River. Mr. HUNT put a question to the Noble Lord (Howick) respecting the state of the settlement ? Lord HOWICK said that the last accounts which had been received were more satiJactozy. An Hos. ilirmarit put a question to the Noble Lord, as to the allowance to Captain Stirling. Lord HOWICK said, that in consequence of the repre sentations of the state of the country made by Captain Stirling. he had gone out under an understanding, that if the colony succeeded he was to hive a moderate salary.— Considering that the expellees in a new settlement were heavy, he thought that 8001. a year was a very moderate salary. Captain Stirling had made great exertions. Colonel TORRENS considered, that by judicious ma nag, went every colony might, from the first, pay its own expenses, civil and military. He referred to the difficulty of obtaining grants of good land at Swan River. Mr. BARING defended the grant. Lord lIOWICK, in reply to the gallant officer (Colonel Turrens), said that the first grantees bad obtained such advantageous grants, that therewas not much left for others. is'tera few words from Mr. Sadler, Colonel Torrens, Mr. Gisborne, Mr. Hunt, Mr. Briscoe, Mr. Western, Mr. lienett, and Mr. 'Warburton, the grant was agreed to. Mr. RICE, in moving the next resolution, said, that when the present Government came ;nto office, they found the expense of the Rideau canal so formidable, that it ap peared to them necessary to bring it specifically under the notice of the House. He had therefore, on the sugges tion of his Noble Friend (the Chancellor of tie Exche quer), laid on the table of the Home all the papers relat, ing to it. These papers had been referred to a select Committee, and that Committee had made a report upon them. On the authority of their report he now moved for a grant of 296,0001, to complete the water communi tions in Canada. Mr. WARBURTON—Hive you any any more correct estimates than those which were laid before the Com mittee, and were introduced in their report? Mr. RICE—The Government did not rimieee any fur ther information than that which been already hid before the Committee. lie regretted that the information, of which the former Government was in possession,when the last grant was made, bad not been laid be'ore the House, as Parliament was then sitting. If it had, it would have been much more satisfactory, and great expense would have been saved to the country—an expense that had, altogether, up to this time, amounted to 1,000,000/. . . Sir H. IIARDINGE vas sorry that, in consequence of the absence of the present Governor of Ceylon, who had been Under-Secretary of tiv Colonies at the time referred to, he and his Hon. Hoo. Friends near him were not able to give a catisfaetory answer, which they had an doubt could be given, to the observations of thi, Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. In the course of a short desultory conversatinn which then ensued on the subject of the expeuce attendant upon the public works in Canada. Mr. ROBINSON complained that although 1,049,000/. had been already expended on this canal, the work was still imperfect ; and more money, it appeared, was sti!l. required to erect defences against the probable ineurakana of the Indians. The whole expenditure Le• could not help considering, under the circuinstz,r,c ‘ a:, to be a great misapplication of public cnoney, ior which his Majesty's late Government, in his opinion, were justly censurable. Mr. LABOcCHERE refereed to the existing discon tents in the Canadas, and' also in Nava Scotia, to which ho begged leave to call the attention of the King's Mi nisters, especially as he had bt , eu intrusted with a peti tion of considerable loaportance on the suliect i which he would take an early opportunity of presenting to the Houze ! The two branches taf the legislature, though each unanimous in themselves, he regretted to state, were dia. metrically oppc,sed to one another ; and the divisicr.,-; inad occasioned so much political jarring and pvlf,,i di-quiet, that it became the indispensable duty o Parliament it self to interpose, by an exercise ei its own vigorous au thority, without furtll; , : ;oss of time. The legislative assembly, he cr.azeived, would never be a complet , ; and satsf4c.tory political system until a spirit of fell, free, and fair election should be effectually inf‘ised into the whole mass, and they ought to have either a Governor and a tiou,e of A,:iembly without an intermediate body it' they had the latter, it behoved them ap Mice to introduce the principle of election as Mr. Fox had originally proposed, 'kilo next point to which ha wished to call 6 . 9, c,..t.cntion of the Committee was, to that system \-y which the Government party e;,- grossed the of the offices and places at O . ?. tiksposal of the executive. Whether a man was., v_epalar or not, he was thrust into office provith:d «c was connected with this little oligarchy. V,4y4 would be thought iu this country if the Soy:wt-igo were to strain his prerog.ative and have ay,ily what Ministers be pleased, whether they were • plwasitq to the House and the country or nt,:t The re sult would he, that the country wou.!,;:, se in an uproar from one end to the other, 7.,'et this mode of selecting public officers Imstilc. Cu t:ao feelings of the public, was the practice in t!.:.e Camila for the last ten or fifteen r .:l this, he must say that the people of Canada were attached to British Government and British connexion, but that tvas an additional ;ea...al why they should expect and obtain justice at oua: hands. Sir G. Al - -JtRAY defended the system adopted towards the Oanad is by tile 1:4! Government. The whole of the works undertaken were, whi:e they tended to strengthen I3ritish power in that quArter, also calculated for the great local advantage of the colo: i,ts. For his own part, he would say, that the policy of the Colonial-office was to Ws cooraze as much as pos..ible party dii•ii.osions. One great object which ha had endeavoured to impress on the vernment in the Canadas was to increase the Members ot the Legislative Council, by introducing into it a large number of efficient persons. It was also recommended that Government should be careful to avoid giving one part of the Legislature a triumph over the other, which was the foundation of much discontent and heartburnings in the colony. With respect to the expense of (we un derstood) the Rideau canal, it was necessary not on y as a line of defence, but was of the first utility as it c mterned the local advantages of the colony. Colonel EVANS said, that we should 'ook to the Cana das as a p,s-e,.ion on which we could not count ; erma uently, and he did not see the policy of keeping up such a line of deftnce as was between the Upper and Lower Canadas. t r i e i t e ai e n x p t n e d L i t t u nx h C e a m n a n d s : s, s a i Sir G. MURRAY sa id, th a t it would be impossible to the coloni a l d e p artmen t directly. All expenditure of this kind receiv e d, i n th e fi rst inst.nce, the ,anetion of the Treasury. y f wtheatimnt on th e e w ll as pp t e ii r r . e ,t, A d s b t y o Colonel EVANS pointed out the diffic ilty of ma n atn ing such a long line of defence. Sir G. MURRAY said the practicability of maintaining it had been tried and proved. Mr. WARBURTON asked whether there was any docu ment in the Treasury to show that the Colonia Depart mert was authorized to expend money on the Canadas without first applying to Parliament. Mr. S. RICE said that there was no document to show that what he considered the objectionable part of the grant was (as we understood) sanctioned by the Treasury. After a few words from Mr. HUNT, who said that if the Committee divided he would vote against the grant, the motion Was put and carried without a division. Sir IL PARNELL moved that 351,650/. Ss. Id. be grinted to his 111,jesty fur defraying- the charge of the disembodied militia of Great Britain and Ireland, for the year 1831. _ _ Mr. ROBINSON objected to voting so large a grant at so late an hour. ➢lr. S. RICE said, that of all the grants this was the least objectionable. It was not an estimate prepared by Government, but was taken on the report of a Committee to which the several estimates had been submitted. Sir H. HARDINGE said that if Hun. Members had no objections to the detail, the objection, if any, to tile prin ciple could be better made on bringing up the report. Mr. HUNT protested against any lay gegrant being voted it that late hour. The motion was then put and carried, and the House having resumed, the report was ordered to be receiYod to morrow (this day). ISSUE OF EXCHEQUER BILLS FOR PROMOTING PUBLIC WORKS IN GREAT BRITAIN. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the ExcirEQUER, the House went into a Committee on this suject. The NOBLE LORD then stated, that the object was to move that his Majesty be empowered to flit ect an issue of Exchequer-bills fur carrying on public works in Great Britain. It Was unnecessary for him to remind the Com mittee of the state in which a great part of England was placed towards the close of the last year, or to state that much of this arose from the distress which prevailed amongst the working classes. He was aware that any measure such as that he was about to propose was only a slight palliative to the evils to which it was to be applied. It would require a much more extensive remedy to cure such evils as those of last year. It would require a revi sion of the state of the laws affecting the poor, in order to see whether they could guard against such disastrous consequences ; but it they looked to the state of the poor laws, for it was from a careful revision of those laws that some effectual remedy must be devised, it would be found that an amelioratiou of those laws would at the present moment rather increase than dimi nish the pressure upon the people. He would not say, therefore, that Government were prepared with any such measure, seeing that its effect must be to increase that pressure which was already to he so heavy. Ile was afraid that if any alterations were made, they would take a wrong direction and would rather tend to relax than strengthe n the operation of those laws. Under these circumstances, it appeared to him that the lesser evil would be to advise that an issue of Exchequer-bil:s be made, to be granted in loans, for the purpose of carrying on public' works in Great Britain. He would not say that the whole suns proposed to be issued would be called for ; but if they looked to the experience of former issues, they would find that there was a demand for them, and that they had been productive of much public benefit. There were grants of this kind made in 1817 and 1823, and on each occasion with considerable advantage where the money bad beers applied to proper ob jects. Where the aid of such grants had been resorted to to promote private speculation, it had failed, and had tended to injure that class to which tie parties belonged, as it only increased the evil of over-production. This, • however, would not apply to the cases of roads and bridges, canals and rail-roads, by which public advantage would be derived independently of the means of employment thus af forded to the labouring poor. The machinery fur the ap plication of such grants was already in existence, and his proposition was to give 1,000,000/. of Exche quer-bills, for the purpose of piomoting such works as he had alluded to. It would of course be the object of the Commissioners to Make such grants where the works were most necessary, always preferring those parts of the country where distress was known to exist. He knew it might be said, that where necessary works were to he carried on, money might be easily obtained on good security. That was true, but it was also known that individuals were unwilling to embark their money or time in works which, however necessary, where there was a prospect of only a small profit; but by money advanced in this way, many useful works might be undertaken with great advantage to the country. Experience had shown that. the public had not lost by such grants as this. Good security was always taken, and the money was repaid, and with rather more interest than could be obtained on Exchequer-bills in the market, but that was not the ob ject. The great object was to promote the public good, by useful works, giving at the same time employment to the labouring classes in districts where distress may pre vail. The Noble Lord then moved that his Majesty might be enabled to direct Exchequer-bills, to en amount not exceeding 1,000,0001., to be issued by Commissioners in Great Britain, to be advanced, under certain regulations and restrictions, for the completion of works of a certain nature, and for the employment of the poor in parishes in Great Britain, on due security being given. After a few words from Mr. WADBURToN, :Nit-. ROBINSON said, that he regretted to learn that the Noble Lord found the country to be not in a satisfac tary condition. He would riot object to the grant ; for he thought it would do neither harm nor good. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER still that the pl'eii.flt proposition had the recommendation of giving sellef without interfering in any degree with the adminis tration of the poor-laws. Mr. PAGET said the great cruse of the existing evils was the sudden abstraction of capital from the hands of the middling classes, caused by what was called Peel's Bill, and he thought that neither the present measure nor any me :sure would do good, unless it was one which had the effect of inceeasing the capital which employed the labourers. The vote was then agreed to, and the report was ordered to be brought up to-roomw (this day). On the motion oi; Mr. STANLEY, the Lord Lieutenants in Ireland Dili was read a second time, with the under. stamliwg that the discussion should take place ongoing into Committee. The other Orders of tl* Day were then Illsposed of, and the House adjourned at a Quarter to Two o'clock. % 44k, LIST OF THE MINORITY ai 11Nventy.seven who voted on Mr. Hunt' duct ion of the Grant of 16,000/. to the gation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts, ti to its entire discontinuance in 1532. Benett, John Knight, It. Blanknev, W, Lambert, H, Dawson, A. Lambert, J. S. Dick, Quintin Mullin..., r. l'oixbn, J. Musgrave, Sir H. Doyle, Sir M. K. C. Paget, T. Dundas, T. Power, It. Gordon, H, Shell, It. L Grattan Jatnes Thicknesse, It. InaiWy, Sir W. Walker, C. A. .'s Motion for the Tte- Societ for the Propa to FLOW., with a view Warburton, H. Watson, Hon. IL Wilbraham, G. Wilke, J. Williams, Sir J. Wood, .1. Wyse, T. TELLER, Hunt, H. Yesterday a private meeting of the friends of Poland took plane in the British Coffee•house, Cockspur. street, preparatory to the convocation of a public meeting to, patition the British Government to offer its friendly offices between the contending parties, to secure Polish independence, and to sts - ,p the further effusion of human blood. The Ine:Aing agreed to resolutions in conformity with the o'sect which called them together. They pro po,;e;.; to address Lord with a request that he would take the Chair at the general meeting. The Parislans are at this moment on the tip toe Gf expectation respecting the " Memoirs of LAVALETrE," ‘vhich have been recently announced. The work was di rected by him in his will to he published as he wrote it, and he enjoined his family moreover not to produce it till a certain time had elapsed after his decease. Both these wislia have been punctually complied with. The Author was extremely anxious that his Memoirs should be pub lished also in England, where so much sympathy wars evinced for his misfortungs, and the work will accordingly appear in a few days.