The Sun. — London, England, 1861-10-09 00:00:00

TEE ARMSTRONG GUN. (From the Mechanics' Magazine. ) _ . We beg once more to refer to this subject. Our readers will remember that, since the first intro. duction of the Armstrong gun to the public, we have endeavoured to supply a fair and impartial criticism on the merits or demerits of the Arm 'strong system. In former articles we have pointed out specifically wherein lay its inherents defects ; and we urged, by every means in our power, that the authorities should take proper steps to secure the very highest opinion on the causes that led to the numerous failings of the gun which incapaci tated it for remaining a permanent portion of the national armament. On information received, we suppose from the departments, the Under-Secretary of War, Mr. Bar ing, stated in th e H ouse o f C ommons t h a t o ur in formation relative to the failure of the Armstrong gun in China a n d e l sew h ere was n ot founded on facts, and that the despatches to which we alluded had not been received by the War Department. What What will Mr. Baring's successor say now in pal liation of his statements? Not only have recent events fully demonstrated the rectitude of our state ments, but they have placed the defects of the Arm strong gun in still more prominent colours. After much urging, and at the request of the Admiralty, the War Department at last consented that the larger size Armstrong gun should be put to some thing like a severe trial. For this purpose a certain number of 40 pounders and 100 pounders were placed on board the Trusty and Excellent, and other guns were forwarded to Shoeburyness and Woolwich marshes for trials of rapid firing. Our readers must understand the significance of the phrase—rapid firing. Heavy artillery, if fired with deliberation, so that the gun never becomes heated, an d every care of skilled artificers be taken, is the one condition under which the Armstrong gun has been tried. But the effect of rapid firing—that is, as rapid as the necessities of actual warfare demand —is very different. In the latter case heat is rapidly transmitted to the mass of the gun, the de licate screw arrangements and breech-pieces (or the "gimcrackery," as Sir William Armstrong termed them at one of the meetings of the In stitution of Civil Engineers) no longer fit the one into the other, and the consequence is that an enormous escape of gas takes place invariably before the 20th round, and the gun is rendered hors de combat before the 30th shot. We subjoin a wood-engraving which shows the effect of fir ing 30 rounds from a 100 p oun d er A rms t rong gun . Figures 1 and 2 exhibit the front and side view of the gun prior to firing. Figure 3 shows the front view of the vent-piece after firing 30 rounds. Figure 4 represents the breech-screw. It will be seen that figure 3 represents an oblate or oval form as the effect of firing. This arises from causes to which we have on previous occasions alluded. The vent piece shown in figures 1 and 2 is supported at the rear by the annular surface of the closing screw of figures 4. The diameter of the internal space is i in., and the pressure of the gas on the vent-piece at the discharge of the gun is so enormous that it exceeds the cohesive strength of any known material, whether it be steel, wrought iron, or any combina tion of them. Hence the results are precisely as we indicated. The vent-pieces, if made of steel, are broken and driven through the breech screw ; or, if mad© of wrought iron, they are bent up into an oval form, as shown in figure 6, and jammed tight into the annular surface of the closing screw. It is with mnch regret that we have once more been compelled to draw attention to this subject ; but we feel that we should not be discharging our duty to the nation at large did we not place the most reli able information on these points before the public. We have other equally demonstrative facts to confirm the truthfulness of our original statements. During the experiments on board the Trusty with Captain Cole's circular shield, no less than nine vent pieces were destroyed from one gun, and the gun, as a matter of course, was rendered unser v i cea bl e until repaired by skilful artificers. Under the direc tion of the Select Committee the heavy Armstrong gun has recently been tested by rapid firing, and similar disastrous results were obtained. As many as four vent-pieces were destroyed from one gun during 50 rounds ; and the time consumed in firing these 50 rounds, with the assistance of skilled artificers, was something like eight hours. Facts like these require little or no comment. We beg to draw attention once more to another point of the Armstrong system. We have on smsral occasions alluded to the principle in the construc tion of the shot and shell. We have shown that by a delightfully ingenious arrangement every projec tile was nothing more or less than a voltaic pile. Mark the result ! On the arsenal wharf at Woolwich are stored some 40,000 shells. These are the pro ducts of the Elswick and Woolwich establishments, and they have never yet left the Woolwich. stores. Let any gentleman possessing the slightest chymi cal or mechanical knowledge examine these shells, and he will find the lead exfoliating from the iron, demonstrating that this description of projectile can neither be kept in store, nor transported without essential injury, nor used over troops without seri ous danger of casualties arising as they did in China. It will be seen in an extract we gave from the Times in our last n um b er , th at the Ordnance Select Committee, presided over by Colonel St. George, C. 8., have decided to make "some important altera tions" in all future constructions of the 12-pounder Armstrong guns. "The breech tangent sight has to be altered from steel to gun-metal," and " from a rectangular to an hexagonal form ; the "upper por tion being at the same time completely remodelled, including the leaf, cross-head, horizontal and verti cal derniers, elevating and deflecting screws. The ratchet has undergone considerable improvement ;" " the trunnion-sight has been remodelled, while at the same time it is secured to the gun, instead of being let through the body of the trunnion. " Con siderable improvement has been made in the dispart sight." " A change has been effected in the elevat ing eye." " The lever and tuppet-pins have been altered." " The cartridges are in future to be made up with lubricating wad inside, and the shell plugs fitted with strong loops." The 12-pounder Arm strong gun is, in fact, to be regenerated, and the inventor, in a short time, will scarcely be able to recognise his own offapring. It will be like Sydney Smith's carriage which the rev. wit christened the " Immortal." This carriage first had a new pair of wheels, then new shafts, then new springs, then a new body, and afterwards new fittings; and in the course of time all the various parts of the carriage were renewed. But reconstructing the Armstrong 12-pounder is a small question compared to the importance of the subject we have just discussed. Let us in all seri ousness ask to whom are we to appeal ? We have solicited the departments to undertake a stout inquiry into this matter, and we have met with a denial. Our accuracy has been impugned, and our facts questioned. We now confidently appear before the public with our facts supported and our reasonable predictions verified. Let us ask,--Is there no master-mind to control those de partments ? Is it beneath the dignity of the Prime Minister to take this matter in hand? Will he calmly look on while our soldiers and sailors struggle under disadvantages too grea t f or any valour to overcome ? Are we tamely to pay any amount of money for that on which we cannot rely ? And is the honour of dear Old England to be unneces sarily trifled with ? These are questions we address to the public, feeling assured that to its solution, the necessity having been demonstrated, the best energies of the nation, from the meanest peasant to the highest in social position, will be given with one accord. (From the Times.) In another part of our columns will be found scnale remarks upon a subject to which the attention of our authorities ought to be immediately given, caonnacienrnweah.ichltthie interests of the public are deeply a publics maintained , v as will be seen, ill the pages of nicalscienee,thatatC especially devoted to mecha are ention as is so SUccesqul an i nv 4 kr . mstrong gun is by no means Its "defects' generally believed. " failings" as ~ nurne Tken of as "inherent," its and its faults altogether as sufficiently serious t'OesEqsinialify it for permanent use in the service. how much has powers,i ow large b ?en spent upon this un , an u d e r, l ing is now placed upon itsa reliance uneasy at the questions w hi cti lve uuty well feel e artment. manufacture of this species of artitire 'lf d a a i b s e s d o ; b s The a l l the resources of' a costly and elaboratiiproeld, Armstrong guns now form the staple Woolwich . ; Armstrong guns are mounted on of our fortifications, distributed among our ships, and served out to our field batterie s . I t i s not too much to say that we depend upon this invention fur much of the efficacy of our national defences, For the last year or two we have been accustomed to think that we have the most formidable artillery, in the world. If this gun, in short, is substan tially a failure, not only have we sacrificed a vast amount of money, but an important element of our national strength will quiddity disappear. These considerations, however, only make it the more in cumbent upon us to investigate the facts without hesitation or delay. We cannot mend the matter by evading the question or postponing the inquiry. On the contrary, it' we shut our eyes to doubt we shall bo worse off than ever. By resolutely grap pling with the case we shall gain one of two advan tages. If the g un s h ou ld b e found really effective and valuable in spite of all said against it, hall confidence; i . f . recov er Our it we s should be found un trustworthy, we can at once look about for a sub stitute. Tho allegatio nA take a distinct and oinst the Armstrong cannon vin not eific form. Of the gun itself it is said th a t it n not bear rapid firinn• Its per 0. formances are satisfactory enough at formal and I leisurely trials, when it is discharged only at mode rate intervals of time, carefully handled, and skil fully superintended. This, however, is not such practice as would take place in actual warfare. In tie heat of battle the firing would be quick and con stant, and under these conaitions it is said the Arm strong gun is found to fail. The metal becomes heated, and the delicate machinery at the breech of the piece is deranged. The component parts no longer fit into each other, gas escapes at each dis charge, the vent-piece is presently blown out, and the gun becomes utterly unserviceable until it has been repaired. We are referred to the actu sults of experiments as establishing these eh It is alleged that four vent-pieces were destio before one gun could be fired 50 rounds, and tha any Armstrong gun tried by rapid firing would be rendered useless before the thirtieth shot. Of the shell, again, it is said that the leaden casing which keeps the contents together has a tendency to ex foliate and detach itself, and that the projectiles can neither be safely stored nor safely dis charged over any troops within range of their flight. These are the assertions advanced. For the solution of the question, then, we require first a careful, fair, and fearless examination conducted without prepossession or bias; next a certificate of the remediable or irremediable character of the de fects which may be ascertained ; and finally, an estimate of the extent to which the defects proved to be irremediable would disqualify the gun for service. Possibly the allegations advanced in the Mechanics' Magazine cannot be entirely substan tiated ; possibly the faults can be remedied ; and possibly, again, the gun may still be as good as any other gun, or even better, notwithstanding its ad mitted imperfections. We attach little weight to the argument based on the numerous alterations ta which the Armstrong gun has already been subjecterl, When our contem porary remarks that Sir Wiliiam would hardly be able to recognise his own invention after its nume rous improvements, the observation carries with it but little disparagement. It has been the same with all inventions. Nobody supposed that Sir 'William Armstrong's gun was produced once for all in a con ' dition of absolute perfection. We can hardly pre tend to enter into an exact analysis of the modifi cations enumerated by our contemporary as having been introduced into the original pattern, but they certainly do not appear to us to trench upon the essence of the discovery. We can imagine all these changes being adopted without much impeachment of the original Armstrong gun. The vent-piece appears to be a weak point, undoubtedly, for if we are to assume, as we suppose we must, that rapid firing cannot be dispensed with even in Armstrong batteries, it is clear that a gun which requires re , pair after some ten minutes' use can never be a good gun for service. But is it certain that, after the difficulties of the machine itself have been sur mounted, a little more of the same skill and patience which achieved the invention will not find out a proper vent-piece ? There is another point also to which it is best to allude. Without casting any imputation upon the spirit of the article which we transcribe, and which we are bound, indeed, to receive as an impartial expression of scientific opinion, we must remind the reader that this question has been entangled with animosities and recriminations innumerable. Engi neers are as irritable as poets, and as jealous as rival beauties. When rifled ordnance first came into favour a dozen competitors were fighting for pre ference, and two or three names became distin guished enough to divide the notice of the public with that of Sir William Armstrong. At this mo ment more than one inventor is fully persuaded that his gun, and not Sir William's, should be the gun used in her Majesty's army, and every one of these inventions has its own advocates and believers. We make these remarks, n o t as d eprec i at i ng t h e criticism to which the Armstrong gun may be ex posed, but simply to remind the reader that the question must turn, after all, upon a comparison of merits and demerits. For oursel ves , we con f ess t o a suspicion that any other gun elevated, instead of the Armstrong gun, to the place of honour, would soon be attacked with as much vehemence as the present favourite. No man likes to see his own invention unnoticed while the invention of another brings him office and renown. It is not in the least degree probable that we shall ever get a gun which every school of mechanics will acknowledge to be superior to all other guns, and we must expect, in any event, to have our faith occasionally assailed by complaints and warnings. These considerations, however, do not touch the essence of the question Row before us. We do not see how it can be de nied that the present dissentients have made out a case for inquiry, and that inquiry ought to be neither delayed nor stifled. It is of the utmost im portance to us that we should know the whole truth about the Armstrong gun, and this truth we shall never know until the gun has been subjected to every necessary test without prejudice, favour, or reserve. THE NEWCAS2LE MURDER. EXAMINATION OF THE PRISONER. NEWCASTLE-ON-TYNE, OCt. 8. George Clark, the man who so barbarously mur dered Mr. Frater, in Blackett-street, in this town, last Tuesday morning, was this morning brought up at the police-court, on remand, charged with that crime. Very little additional evidence has• been obtained since the coroner's inquest was held on Mr. Frater's body on Wednesday evening. The facts of the case are indeed so conclusive and so pal pable that the only question now to be decided is the sanity of the prisoner at the time he com mitted the deed. When first apprehended his demeanour betokened an imperturbable coolness rather than anything else, and there seemed at that time to be no reason whatever for susa&ting his perfect sanity. Since his apprehension, however, he has conducted himself in such a manner as to prove that he is either a madman, or desires to be supposed so. His conduct during the whole of Tuesday was characterised by an excessive levity, and he seemed quite unable to realise the position in which he was placed. At the inquest, on Wed nesday evening, as has been already reported, he became exceedingly impertinent. His manner was quite calm, and he listened to everything that went on with great attention, but he uttered the most absurd remarks during the course of the in quiry, and at the very moment that a former lellow-shopman was was giving most impor tant evidence, in reference to the sharpening of the knife, and his previous threats on Mr. Fra ter's life, he took occasion to remark that the coroner was " nothing but an old wife," and to tell his old mate, in the kindest pcar,ible tone, to sit down, and not trouble himself any more about the mutter, being evidently unconscious that the man was at the time offering fatal evidence against him. With regard to his previous habits it appears that be has often threatened the lives of persons before, for fancied wrongs, and some of those who were thus threatened have no hesitation in expressing their decided conviction that the pri soner is insane, and in corroboration of this, that ho is always worse when the moon changes—this proving him to be a lunatic in the literal sense of the word. With reference to his threats on Mr. Frater's life, it seems that whenever he alluded to that gentleman, in the presence of his fellow-work men, he informed them that the Queen had been communicated with on the subject, and that she heal said that he would be quite right to kill his victim. They, however, paid no attention t o thi s talk, as they considered nothing more than a harmless imbecile. There; are other circumstances which will be brought forward at his trial, and which show, to say the least, a diseased state of mind in the prisoner. This morning the police-court at the Manors was crammed to excess, and all the leading thorough fares were crowded by persons anxious to catch a glimpse of the prisoner's appearance. The sitting magistrates were the Mayor, I. Blackwell, R. Dodds, J. L. Bell, G. C. Atkinson, and C. F. Hamond, Esqrs. The prisoner was brought up as soon as the business of the court commenced. Mr. Frater's remains were interred on Friday at Jcsmond Cemetery, Newcastle. A considerable number of the friends of the deceased attended, to pay a last tribute of respect to his memory. Many of the spectators appeared to be deeply affected by the impressive scene. The Rev. J. A. Charlton, ALA., cur a t e o f G os f orth, was the officiating clergy man, and the corpse was interred ou the south side of the cemetery, adjoining the grave of Mrs. Frater, the first wife of the deceased. At the meeting of the local board of guardians the same afternoon, the followin resolution was unanimously adopted :—" pathising with the Mr. Mark Frater familyin the Th 7 s board, g deeply syna• i r a e n;cl ar r a e h l t a e ti l i e -e s s s t o h f e t y her h lt e e sustained, desire to record their high sense of his uprightness and sterling worth, both as a private citizen and as a member of this board. They can also, from expressing their ileep and. not refrain, heartfelt sorrow at the I clilnu - which pro common .with duced his death. Whilst je tl 7". ir Ala r b e Tta ' . nl l s of this town, the entire body of the pray that the consolathros o ththisesadho of desolation, Divine wisdom may be given the family ir. sustained by them under fearful °Weal through which they are called 'to pass." The witnesses examined 1. before - - 1.. he Coroner were recalled, and gave exa c tly testimony. Mr. Main, solicitor, affen de r % to prosecute. At the conclusion of Mr TJalrymple's (the first witness) evidence the p r i sonr• was present, and receivi ng „„ AIM WM' in the affir aiilaatreci if the Mayer =dive, he proceeded rambling man ner to inist upo , . o f t wo teat with t he produetiwi. a wild and whom he had heen employed at Easton's, Pilgrim street. _ _ The witnesses, chair-makers, named M'Donald and Dodds, were sell* for, and the case proceeded. Thomas Hand, inusicseller, who was unable to attend at the Coroner's inquiry, was now called and deposed to seeing the prisoner come up from be hind and thrust a knife into Mr. Frater's neck. The prisoner, who had been standing with his back to the Court, suddenly turned round and said, —Gentlemen, in olden times, when we used to put a knife into any man, the blood ran down his clothes. Now, he says it spirted up, and I want to ,m,sk him that. W.he Mayor—He did not say anything about that. riscrPr—You've nothing to do with it, m:, - good an. (Uproar.) Mr. Blackwell (to witness)—You never saw any man stabbed before ? Witness—No. The prisoner repeated his question. - The Bench—He gives no opinion upon it. Witness (to prisoner)—l will not answer you. Prisoner—Then you go out. (To Bench) —You must mark him out of the roll. The Mayor—He will be dealt with. Prisoner (turning to the court)—What are those persons whispering to him for ? The Mayor—You will have an opportunity of examining him. Prisoner—Hold your tongue, you old wife. Do you imagine I am a fool because I've working clothes upon my back. (Sensation.) Dr. Septimus W. Rayne was then called, and reiterated the evidence given by him before the coroner. Upon stating that Mr. Frater expired about seven minutes after the wound was inflicted, The prisoner remarked, Hear, hear—go on Mr. Rayne, you are doing very well." Mr. Main—Do you think the deceased could have been saved by any aid whatever ? Witness—No, sir, not if everything had been upon the spot. The Mayor interrupted him, and observed that the questions were irrelevant to the case. The magistrates committed him for trial at the next assizes, on a charge of wilful murder. Prisoner—Decidedly. Of course I appoint as well as you. _ _ _ He was then removed, and on making his ap pearance in the street was received with a perfect ovation of hissses. THE CONFESSION OF THE WOOD- LANDS MURDER. IMPORTANT DISCLOSURES. FROME, TUESDAY. This morning the soldier, Joseph Seer, was again brought up at the police-court for re-examination on the charge, on his own confession, of having, in September, 1851, murdered Sarah Watts. It having been announced that evidence of a very important nature would be forthcoming, con siderable excitement was manifested in the town. Long before the arrival of the prisoner groups lined the road to the station, and the court-room was filled quite an hour before noon. The prisoner was brought from Stephen Mallet Gaol in the custody of Police-constable Watts. He appeared somewhat paler than on Tuesday last, otherwise there was no alteration in his demeanour. The magistrates present were the Earl of Cork (chairman), Dr. Harrison, and Mr. Sinkins. The chief constable of the county was present. Superintendent Deggan said—Since the Ist inst. I have made further inquiry into the case, and I am now in a position to produce evidence which will lead to the identification of the prisoner, and to his having been in this town at the time of the murder. James Payne, an old man, said—l live in Broad street, Frome, and am a cooper. I know the prisoner Seer from his childhood. I well remember the mur der of Sarah Watts. I knew the prisoner when he was a baby. I knew him in childhood, and I knew him in manhood. I lived near him—a quarter of a mile off. When he was about seven years old he lived in a lane called Birched-lane, in a house built by Samuel King. After he was seven years of age I missed him for some years. I saw him and knew him at different times during his life, but I cannot mind when it exactly was. The last time I saw him beforo the murder was in Badcox (Frome), where he wished me " Good morning." That was about three weeks before the Woodlands murder took place—between the Ship and the Sun. I should not have known him if he had not spoken. I looked round and wished him the same. I then said to him, " That's Seer." I said, " How are you, Seer P" He said, "I am pretty well; I hope you are the same." I did not see him again —the murder was done on a Wednesday—till the Saturday week after. I went into the Castle Inn, Frome, that evening, to find my wife. I found my wife there selling some lace—she was a lacemaker by trade. When I found she was there, I saw she was selling some lace to a girl I called Maria Staff. I never knew her name. At that time Seer came into the room. He brought in a pint of beer. He was quite intoxicated in beer. My wife and Maria Staff were talking about the murder that took place in the Woodlands. Seer then, after hearing this discourse, stood up and said he had done all he could do with the woman, and then he murdered her because he should never be found out. Well, I should have told of it at the time, but my wife persuaded me that I should be murdered if ever I should tell of it. I said to Seer, " If ever I should see you in Frome any more, I shall have you taken up if you don't give yourself up ;" but he gave himself up, for I saw him. My wife has been dead two years coming December. I wish she was living, Immediately after this took place I left the Castle Inn, and told Seer I would go out and get a constable. My wife then ran after me, and caught me three or lour yards before I came to Mr. Nicholl's who was at that time a constable. My wife said, "If so as you do tell of it, you will bo murdered as sure as you be born." By the Bench—l did net know the girl's name. She travelled about with her mother buying lace. I have seen her several times since. I saw her three years come Christmas. I called her Maria Staff, because she came from Staffordshire. She always stopped at my house when she came to Frome. Her mother did not stop at my house. I cannot men tion one in Frome who knew the girl. I did not think the people at the Castle knew her. My wife was a lacemaker and used to sell lace to this girl. There was no one in the room b es id es thi s g i r l, her mother, my wife, Seer, and myself. No waiter was there at the time. This was between six and seven o'clock, and the house was not then full. I do not know, I cannot say, that any one of my wife's acquaintance knew the girl, for she did not stop:at my home more than one night at a time. The Chairman—Do you wish to ask the witness any question. Seer ? Prisoner (touching his forelock)—No, sir. The Chairman (to the witness)—You have lived in Frome many years, and you knew that there were persons tried for this murder. Witness—l have lived in lfrome 40 years. I told my wife when Frome Bob was taken up that I would tell about it. She told me if I did she would murder me. I never knew that Promo Bob was tried for it. During the examination of the witnesses, the prisoner frequently smiied, but made no other mani festation. Mrs. Edgell said—l live at Prospect-buildings, Bath, and remember the time of the Woodlands murder. Some days after the murder—before I had heard of it—a man came to my house to ask for assistance. He appeared very agitated. His thumb was scratched, and) he had a scratch on the left side of his forehead. He said he came from Frame, and had been to Bri„ol to try to got a ship, and was going to London to try to gut em ployment or go for a soldier. He appeared to have been drinking, but was not tipsy. I cannot say that the prisoner is the man. The man was stouter, and his hair was lighter, but he he was about the same height as the prisoner. I observed that his thumb was bound up. I asked him what was the matter with it. He seemed in great agitation, and said he had hurt it. Ido not say the prisoner is not the man. I gave him some relief. Ido not exactly re member how he was dressed, but he had on either a dirty white jacket or a smock-frock and a cap. If I had heard of the murder I certainly should have had the man taken up en suspicion. We were living thou at 13, Friar's Bellevue, Bath. He was about the height of the prisoner, with round features —not unlike the prisoner. It was between six and seven o'clock in the evening, and it was light. The scratch on his forehead was two or three days old, I remember. I am not able to identify the prisoner as the man, but I am not satisfied that he is not. The Superintendent said—With regard to the thumb, I wish to state that at the time of the mur der a bloody thumb-mark was found on the wall. The priso - ner said he had no question to ask the witness. Robert Hurd, alias "Promo Bob," here volunteered to give the ivee clerk, evidence. communicated Atthesuggest to theionofM r.Crut . t superin tendent what he had to say. The Superintendent said what Hurd had to say would not be evidence now, but it might lead to im portant results. James Vallis said—l am a shoemaker, living at Keyford. I know the prisoner. I saw him three weeks ago. I saw him several years ago. I cannot say bow many —it may be five or more years ago. He spoke to me, and asked to know where his uncle lived. I directed him to Woodlands. Mr. Hunt, of Keyford, spoke to him. This witness appeared very reluctant to say any _ _ _ Hur,t here stepped forward—lt was fiye years next December the prisoner came to me. He is distantly related to me. I had not seen him till that time since he was taken to London after his mother ran away and left him. There being bo further evidence to be produced, the chief constable applied fora remand. After Eome consultation, the prisoner was re manded till Saturday next. 211 E BILSTON TRAGEDY. The adjourned inquest was held yesterday in the Bilston police-court, before Mr. W. H. Philips, deputy coroner. Eliza Rownes identified a pair of trousers, a coat, a waistcoat, a pocket-handkerchief, and other pro perty as belonging to the deceased. The coat had been worn ; the hankerchief had also been used. Both were deceased's, She also identified other handkerchiefs that belonged to the deceased. They had been kept upstairs in the drawers. She also identified a box of studs that at deceased's request she took upstairs a fortnight before the murder, and other wearing apparel that had been worn by him. She saw a portion of it on a chair in his bedroom the day before his death. [This second bundle the police said had been found in a different place from that in which the first bundle was found.] The other goods were new, but bore the shop mark, to which she could depose. Police-constable John Harrison deposed that he was stationed at Bradley about a quarter past 4 on the morning of the murder. He was watching the house of Brandrick's father upon instructions from Sergeant M'Crea. He obtained these instructions because he had told the sergeant that ho had seen Brandrick come towards Bilston at 10 at night wearing a dress he had never before seen hint in— viz,, a flannel jacket with the collar turned up. The door was left so that Brandrick could easily get in. Afterwards as he lay watching he heard footsteps coming along the back road from Bilston. There were three men ; Brandrick was one. A man on the right hand of Brandrick was carrying now clothes on his arm. He tried to arrest the man with the clothes on his arm. One attic three men was Jones. The man who was carrying the bundle threw the clothes down and run with Brandrick in the direc tion of Coseley. - Witness returned to the spot where the clothes were thrown down. The person who was carrying them was a short man, but he could not identify him. The clothes consisted of a coat, a pair of trousers, and a waistcoat. (These were the articles which Mrs. Rownes identified in the first bundle.) In the pocket of the coat was a pair of kid gloves. After picking up the bundle he went to Brandrick's house, but he was not there. He returned to his hiding place, and saw Jones coming from Bilston towards Coseley. Witness arrested him. He said his name was William Jones, of Canal-street, Tipton, but he believed that that was not his right name. Prisoner asked what the charge was ? Witness said, " Stealing these clothes" (pro ducing the clothes which he had picked up.) Pri soner said, " You did not see me carrying them." His hair was wet with perspiration, and when they were about to go from Market street to Stafford street he refused to go that way. He said, " I shan't go up that street ; I will go by the Castle and have a glass of drink," which was a circuitous way ; but on passing the Castle he did not stop at it. Witness did not know of the robbery at Ba gott's till after the prisoner was locked up At the station the studs produced were found upon the pri soner. _ _ Mrs. Rownes here identified the studs as the same that she had before identified as the deceased's. Witness continued—He asked the prisoner how he accounted for having the studs. He said " I don't know." He found three half-crowns, a six pence, and some coppers on him, and his right hand was black—nearly as black as a man's coat. He also saw that the knees of his trousers were wet and dirty. He wore corduroy trousers, of a small pat tern. . Police-constable Potts, the reserve man at the station, deposed to having found on the prisoner Jones the studs and money of which the last wit ness spoke. William Littlehale,s pearl button maker, who lives at the back of No. 24, Guest-street, Bir mingham, identified the studs before referred to. He bought them from Mr. Page, of Wolverhamp ton. This was the only set of that pattern he bought. He sold them to Mr. Bagott three weeks ago next Saturday. Mr. Bagott gave him ls. for the studs. They were not a common pattern. They were a convex, and had a fancy border. He never saw a set like them, and at Mr. Page's he did not see any others of the same pattern. They were pearl' studs. Frederick Griffiths, a drover, of Bilston, deposed that he know the deceased. On the night before the murder ho saw Jukes in Mr. Bagott's shop, and saw Mr. Bagott jump over tho counter. Lilley also was outside. This was about half-past 11 at night. He knew Jukes well, for about a week before he threatened to take witness's life. Afterwards he saw a man disputing with Mr. Bagott about the price of a suit of clothes. At that time also Lilley was there. William Matthews, a miner, deposed that at one o'clock on the Sunday morning in question he saw Brandrick, Maddocks, Mullighan, Jukes, Webb, and Lilley standing at the corner of the Bprry yard. Maddocks said, " Now, lads, stick stout, like lions." Maddocks at the same time produced a pistol and said, "Let fly at the first who comes, policeman, or constable, or any one else. Lads, who will carry this ?" Neither of the men took the weapon. Witness was talking to a man named Pitt at the time. The inquest was proceeding when our report left SHOCKING DEATH FROM ABORTION. COMMITTAL OF A SURGEON, AND THE HUS BAND OF THE DECEASED TO NEWGATE. Last evening Mr. John Humphreys, the coroner for East Middlesex, and a jury, assembled at the Lord Wellington publichouse,Three Colt-lane, Cam bridge-road, Bethnal-green, respecting the death of Eliza Garrett, aged 34 years, who it was alleged lad died from injuries caused by a medical man named Benjamin Vale, of 6, Henry-street, Lime house-fields. William Garrett, of No. 9, Coventry-street, Three Colt-lane, said—The deceased is my wife, and I knew she was enceinte. I did not know that she was in the habit of visiting Mr. Vale, but she told me she was going to a gentleman for advice to do away with the child. I did not know how long she had gone in her pregnancy. She had not had any miscarriages to my knowledge. There was not any agreement between me and deceased respect ing her having more children. It was not my wish for her to go to Mr. Vale, and I forbade her going to him three weeks since. She told me one night that she, had been to him and said that he had used instruments. She had had some medicine from him. This witness underwent considerable cross-exa mination by the Coroner, and the Coroner and jury expressed their opinion that this witness had given his evidence in a veryllippant and unsatisfactory manner, and had kept many important facts back which ought to have been adduced. Lucy Reynolds was examined next and said that she resided next door to the deceased. On Tues day, the Ist inst., she sent for me, when I found her up-stairs in bed. She was suffering great pain, and I did not know that she was ill before that. I asked her what was the matter with her, When she replied, "I do not know." I told her that thought it was a miscarriage. She admitted that such was the fact ; and when I wished to go for a doctor, she said she would send for a midwife. I wished to go for a medical gentleman, but she re fused. Mrs. Vale came while I was there, and one child had been born. The second child was born while she (Mrs. Vale) was in attendance upon the deceased, who was delivered of twins. The chil dren were placed in a chamber utensil, and thrown down the water closet. Mr. Vale was present then, and went away. I remained with the deceased, and she said that she was better, but she still com plained of pain in the stomach. I endeavoured to persuade her to have a doctor, but she refused. Mr. Vale sent more medicine. Coroner—Did you know that Mr. Vale was a surgeon ? Witness—Yes, I believed that he was, and I did not know to the contrary. On the next morning the deceased told me that she was very ill, and had been so all night. The husband came home at eight o'clock that night, when I left. I previously pressed him to have a doctor, and asked him why, when he said that Mr. Vale was coming again. The deceased sent her little girl for Mr. Vale, and would not let me go. The husband knew that Mr. Vale had been, and had delivered his wife, and notwith standing that I remonstrated with him he said no; it would be such an expense. The husband said that he preferred Mr. Vale, because he knew his wife's constitution. By the Coroner—l had told the deceased that I did not like the appearance of Mr. Vale, and I thought that he was intoxicated. She said that he was very clever. I left the deceased at eleven o'clock that night, but saw her again early in the next morning. The husband had been to his club, and did not come home until four o'clock. The de ceased wasin the meanwhile in the care of a single young man lodger. The deceased, at my earnest solicitation, sent for Dr. Defriez, of the Bethnal green-road, who attended with other medical gentle men, but the deceased was sinking from exhaustion. The tdeceased told me that sho feared she would not get over it. I told her she must pray to God, when she replied , " Is there any forgiveness for such wickedness PP , I replied " Yes, and you will enter the kingdom of heaven." By the Coroner--I think that fle had taken something to cause a miscarriage. I told her that I wished to know the truth, when she charged me not to tell anybody. She said that she had been to Mr. Vale, of Ilenry-street, Lime house-causeway, and she added that her husband had persuaded her to go. I said he must be a strange man to do that. She said that. Mr. Vale had used an instrument with teeth in it, and opened with a spring at the end. She said that Mr. Vale was to have a half guinea for his services. She said that she had been twice to Mr. Vale's house, on which occasions he had used the instruments. She said that her husband had been the instigation of her going to Mr. Vale, and I " blowed her up for going." Mr. Vale called on the Saturday before the deceased died, and she was then delirious. My opinion is that the deceased has died from the use of instruments. After the examination of several witnesses, Dr. Corner, of Mile-end-road, stated that he was called on Sunday morning last to the deceased, whom he found suffering great pain over the bowels, &c. but she aied on the following morning. He had since made a post-mortem examination of the body. The membranes of the brain were rather con gested_ The lungs, chest, and other organs healthy, excepting that the heart was thin. There were three indistinct marks upon the mouth of the womb which might have been the result of puncture by the instrument referred to, but the exciting cause of inflammation was most likely from such punctures, in the absence of any other known cause. The Coroner then called Mr. Vale, the surgeon, into the room, when he cautioned him in the usual form. Mr. Vale made a long rambling statement, and denied the allegations made against him. He said that he had never used any instruments upon the deceased. The Coroner summed up the whole of the facts, when The jury unanimously agreed to a verdict of " Wilful murder against Benjamin Vale and Wil liam Garrett, for killing and slaying Eliza Garrett." The Coroner then made out - his — warrant for the committal of the accused, who were placed in a cab and conveyed to Nowgate by Mr. John Smith, the summoning officer of Bethnal-green, to await their trial at the ensuing sessions of the Central Criminal Court. The prisoners when they left were greeted with loud hooting and yelling. THE ALL7?GED MURDER OF A CAP- TAM ON THE HIGH SEAS., PROCEEDINGS UNDER THE EXTRADITION ACT. Mr. Darker, the chief clerk in the office of the American Consul, waited on Mr. Corrie, st the Bow-street Police-court, in order to request that a time might be fixed for the examination of William Henry Hawkins, a man of colour, late steward of the American merchant vessel the Lammergier, in custody of the police on a charge of murdering his captain, William Henry Adams, on the high seas. The vessel, it appeared, sailed from London on Saturday, 21st Sept., and the murder was alleged to have been committed on Sunday, 29th Sept., in the Channel. The mate took the command of the ves sel, and put back to London, where the man was given in custody of the Thames Police, and was taken before Mr. Selfe, the sitting magistrate at the Thames Police Court, on Thursday last. Mr. Selfe was of opinion that the matter was out of English jurisdiction, being more than three leagues from the shore, and therefore decided that the case must be proceeded with under the Extradition Act. Ac cordingly an extradition warrant had been obtained, and the police were prepared to bring him before this court. In all cases under the Extradition Act it was necessary that the proceedings should take place at this court. Mr. Corrie said he would take the case as soon as the prisoner was brought before him. Inspector Cox, of the Thames Police, who had at tended with Mr. Darker, subsequently proceeded to the police station at Wapping, in order to fetch the prisoner, who was ultimately brought up, and placed at the bar shortly before 5 o'clock. The prisoner, though stated to be a mulatto, is as black as many full-blooded negroes. The charge having !been stated to the prisoner, the following depositions were taken : Dannis James Stetson—l am the chief mate of the ship Lammergier, of New York. I sailed in that ship from London on the 21st of September last, bound for Callao. On the 28th September, at breakfast time--about eight o'clock—l and the captain went into the cabin to breakfast. Tho pri soner, who was the steward, was present. The captain found fault with him, and it ended by the captain striking the steward. After breakfast I spoke to the prisoner, and told .him that the captain was a strange man, and ho had better not argue the point with him. The prisoner izaid "I am a strange man too, and no one on board knows me yet." On Sunday morning, the 29th, I went on deck about half-past seven. I saw the priataner in the carpenter's shop. About 10 minutes to Dine o'clock I went to the captain's state room aid knocked at the door several times, calling out, " Captain Adams." I could hear him breathing, but received no answer. I returned on deck, and in about 10 minutes went back again, and again knocked and called, but receiving no answer I went into the state room, which was dark. I put my hand on the captain's shoulder, shook him and called him, but received no answer. I then went on deck and saw blood on my hand where I had touched the captain. I then called the second mate and the car penter, had the blinds of the state room opened, and then went into the state room with me. I then saw the captain lying upon his back, and a wound upon the right side of his head, from which the brains protruded. He was not at that time dead, but he died at 20 minutes past 10 o'clock. The prisoner was put in irons, None of the crew wore in or about the cabin whilst I had charge that morning, and when all hands were called aft they all came except the prisoner, who did not come till he was called by name. When he was put in irons he made no objec tion, and did not say anything. I afterwards re ceived from the carpenter an axe, which was wet at the time. Cross-examined by the prisoner—lt was about two minutes after the crew came before you came. You did not answer when first the men were called aft. The cook came aft before you did. John Henry Myers.—l am second mate of the ship Lammergier, of Now York. I sailed in that ship on the 21st Septembe r bound to Callao, Peru. Wm. Henry. Adams was captall:- On the 28th, at breakfast time, I was in the cabin with the carpen ter and the prisoner. The prisoner sejd to me," It is the first time I ever was struck on boata. A • an Ame rican ship." He added that he had been mat.; years a steward, and that he would give us all a chanCe to get back again to London. I told him if he had anT threats to make he had better do so out of my hear ing, and I advised him, v, hatever he did, not to com mit himself. On Sunday morning, the 29th, I had charge of the watch from four to eight o'clock. The captain went below about 5 o'clock. I called the mate about half-past 7. He came out on deck, and after cleaning himself went to call the captain. At half-past 8 he came to me and said he could not wake the captain, and that he (the captain) was breathing heavily. At 10 minutes to 9 he again went to the captain's cabin. I saw him go in, and he tried to wake the captain. The room at this time was dark, as the shutters were closed. When the chief mate came out I saw blood on his hand, and he said " My God, the captain is all over blood." We then called the carpenter, got the shutters open, and all three went into the room. I saw the cap:- tarn lying upon his back, his head on one side, and a wound in it from which the brains protruded. He was still alive, there being a gurgling in his throat. I said " My God, the captain is murdered. Call all hands aft." All hands came aft, and I then called the prisoner and put him in irons, and the crew were informed of what had occurred. We were at this time 12 miles from the Start Point at sea. The vessel's course was then altered, and we returned to London. None of the crew could pos sibly obtain admittance into the cabin without the knowledge of the officer of the watch, but the pri soner slept in the cabin, and I saw him up and about between 7 and 8 that morning. John Miller—l am carpenter on board the Lam mergier, and sailed in her from London on the 21st September. On the 28th T and the second mate breakfasted together in the cabin, after the captain and chief mate. The prisoner spoke to the second mate, and I heard him say that he had had words with the captain, and that he would give us all a chance to get out of her (the ship). In the after noon I was down between, decks, and I asked the prisoner what the disturbance had been between him and the captain. He told me that the quarrel was about tho breakfast, and that the captain had struck him ; that it was the first captain that had ever struck him, and that he (the prisoner him self) would be the last man the captain would ever strike. He added " I will cut his G--- d-- g--- out before supper, or the first time I have a chance. I am bound to kill him." The prisoner then went on deck, and said no more to me. The next morning I saw the prisoner a little before six o'clock, and about half-past six he came to my room, which is in a house upon the deck before the main hatch. He appeared a good deal excited, as if from drinking. He asked if I was a freemason, and told me he had the first degree of freemasonry, and if I would give it him, he would try me ; and added that he wanted me to stick to him as a brother. I said, " All fright, steward; so long as you act as a brother, I will act as a brothe r to y ou." lie naked me, if I ever drank anything, and said he would give me some whisky. He then went out but returned in a short time and sat down. lio asked me for a hatchet, and took mine up. He - asked me whose it was. I told him it was mine. He asked if the captain .had one. I said he had, but it was not ground, ant 1 I told him where it was. He then took it (witness's hatchet) up, and said he wanted it to open a box of • eggs. I said a chisel and hammer would be best ; b> it he said the axe would. The axe was quite a new one, and had never been used or sharpened since it was bought. He went away, and took the axe with him, as I supposed to open a box of eggs with. :In about 15 or 20 minutes after this the cook brough t me the same axe back, and said, " Here is your as :e ; it is all wet." I told him to put it down anyWhETe. Soon afterwards the prisoner came into my room again, and asked me if I had got my axe, and sail I, " If you are called upon or asked about it, remembE r I got the axe to open a case of eggs with." He th en said he had never been able to ascertain whether th e captain was bound to the Eastward. I asked him wht tt he meant. He said, " In search of light," and in an. excited way added "as a brother." He left me thon, but came back again after eight o'clock. The chief mate also came to me, and said he was hungry. The prisoner said, "The breakfast is all ready upon the table, if ever the captain gets up to eat it." Between half-past eight and nine the chief mate came to my room. The second mate and the prisoner were there at the time. He said, " The captain is snoring like h—, and all over with blood," and he and the second mate went out together. The prisoner said, " Snor ing like h--, and you (meaning the chief mate) are the first that have found it out. Keep that in mind, carpenter." He then left my room, and the second mate came running in and said, " The cap tain is murdered." I immediately went aft and saw the captain, who was than dying. The crew were called aft, and the prisoner was put in irons. I ran ' for my hatchet, and showed it to the mate. It had been washed. I delivered it to him. The captain expired about ten o'clock.. John Morris (a black man)—l am cook on board the same vessel, and sailed with her from London on the 21st. I remember that on Sunday morning, the 29th, the prisoner came to me in the galley and said, "Doctor" (a usual nickname applied to the cook on board ship), " you give this axe to the car penter, will you ?" and he gave me at the same time an axe wrapped up in a table-cloth. I said " Why don't you give it to him yourself ?" He said he had not time, as he wanted to lay the breakfast for the captain when he got up. He left me then, and I took the axe to the carpenter and gave it to him in the same state that I received it from the prisoner. Mr. Darker intimated that this was all the evi dence he had to offer. _ _ _ Mr. Corrie (addressing the prisoner)—l have no jurisdiction to try this case. You are going to be taken to the United States to be tried there. Mr. Burnaby (the chief clerk) —You will now be committed to the House of Detention, where you will be kept till the American authorities remove you to New York. The prisoner was then removed from the court. It was stated that the axe had been examined with a microscope, and that human blood and hair had been found on it, but no evidence to that effect was tendered. POLICE INIELLIriENCE, Oct. 8. WESTMINSTER.—THE WESTMINSTER Mull,- DER.—Mr. Bury Hutchinson, solicitor, repeated to Mr. Arnold the application he made on Saturday to Mr. Paynter, detailed in our impression of Mon day, for a warrant against Joseph Saunders, for wilful and corrupt perjury against William alo ney, under sentence of death for the murder of his wife in Legg-court, Westminster. Mr. Hutchinson at great length detailed the cir cumstances upon which ho grounded his applica tion, without any material difference from the statement already published, and solicited the magistrate's earnest consideration in a matter of such serious moment as the life of a fellow-creature. Saunders had sworn that he saw the woman mur dered, that he remained at the corner of the court afterwards till the police brought Maloney out, and that he had not been into any place of refreshment until he had been subsequently into Bennett's-yard. He swore he had had nothing to eat or drink during the day, while that he had had two penny worths of pudding could be most distinctly proved. Mr. Arnold—Supposing that to be false, would it be a material fact in a charge of murder ? Mr. Hutchinson—ln the case of Dr. Griffiths Jones, last sessions at the Central Criminal Court, where he had sworn before Sir Cresswell Cresswell that he had a Scotch diploma as well as being a member of the College of Surgeons, the former was held to be material, as tending falsely to give more pesitiveness, and induce the Court to rely with greater credit upon what he said. Mr. Arnold—l am not aware that Saunders swore before me that he had had nothing to eat or drink ; and whether he had or had not, I cannot see that it could be material to the issue. Mr. Hutchinson—lt goes to his credit ; if he is discredited in one particular his evidence is not re liable in another. But the evidence of his being at the shop of Mrs. Crowe and purchasing this pud ding involves another and more important point. It shows that he has again falsely stated that he saw the prisoner brought out of the court by the po)ice ; that after seeing Maloney commit this mur der lae remained at the end of the court until he was se brought out, when in truth he had been in Mrs Cro we's shop some minutes when he was brought ou t p er ynit me to call your attention, particularly to the circumstances that occurred at Mrs. Crowe's. A little girl aimed Scott ran into her shop at a few minutes past 1.2, and explaimed that a woman had cut her throat i.,%; Legg-court; immediately upon which Saunders eaters the shop, complains of being very tired, sits down and calls for a pennyworth of pudding, remains thero until he has talked about family matters and Maloney is brought out, and afterwards swears that Ile went into no refresh ment-house, but remained at the top of the court. Surely this shows him unworthy of credit. Mr. Arnold—What do you allege as the first assignment of perjury? Mr. Hutchinson—The first part is to negative his being near the spot at all. Mr. Arnold—According to your own showing he was within a 150 yards of Legg-court when at the shop of Mrs. Crowe; her evidence would set him up and show that he must have been close to it. Mr. Hutchinson—Not at the time Maloney was brought out by the police, which he swore. Mr. Arnold—But he might have been when the alleged fatal blow was struck. Mr. Hutchinson—We deny that he saw any such blow struck, or that it ever was struck. We can show by the most abundant testimony that Saun ders could not have been in Legg-court at all; he must have been seen had he been there. Mr. Arnold—That is very negative evidence; the testimony of Mrs. Crowe would go to prove that he was about the spot, and the evidence of the wit nesses taken before me shows that there were a great n u ,:ny people about. iii: Hutchinson—Not at first, I think; not till after th..*:' policeman went down the court. M r. Ar cold—l understand there were two wit nesses calle.l upon the trial who swore they saw him go down court. Mr. Hutchinson —There was a woman who swore she lived opposite te'l o court in Peter-street, and was looking dow when she saw a man go down out of the with win: a black felt hat on, whereas Saunders wore a brown straw ore ; that she did not see his face, and did not see him tame back out of the court. She was asked if she co, ild point him out, and did without seeing his back, b:tt at time the matter had been so canvassed, and he had been brought backward and forwFd by the ;3 . olice that every one in the neighbourhood knew him. She had caught but a casual glimpse of him. Mr. Humphreys, an inspector of the B divisfon, the officer engaged in the case, and the chief clerk of the court, explained that the woman had identified the man Saunders, and had sworn at the trial that she distinctly saw his profile each way on the day the woman died. The conduct of the other woman who swore she saw Saunders there was most extraordinary. She said she was passing the court, saw him there, and heard him say there was murder being done ; but did not attend before the coroner's jury to give that evidence; she did not come to that court to give her evidence before the magistrate, but made her appearance the very day before the trial at the police-station, after a num ber of examinations, and the matter had gone the round of the newspapers, to say she saw Saunders in the court. I have every reason to believe that these two women are mistaken in Saunders' iden tity. lam told that there is a man for whom ho has been taken, so much like him that if he Wer e placed in a corner amongst others, he would be picked out for him: Mr. Arnold—lt comes to this, that two women swear, to the best of their belief, Saunders wa s i n the court, and those whom you would call would swear to the best of their belief that he was not; how could you expect that upon such a conflict of testimony any one would be convicted of perjury. Mr. Hutchinson—l have not only the evidence of four or five other respectable persons, but that of Mr. Howe, the grocer opposite the end of the court, who, standing there transacting business with a gentleman, must most unquestionably have seen Saunders had he been there. Mr. Arnold—A man who was standing at his door talking to another on business is not likely to take cognisance of any person who passed. Mr. Hutchinson—Sounders is so very peculiar and conspicuous in his appearance that any lady must have remarked him. Arr. Arnold—l do not see anything so remarkable or conspicuous in the man, unless attention was prrticularly called to him. Mr. liutolLioaou—lt if 3 impossible for Any stranger, whatever his appearance, to be in that court without everybody coming out to see him. Mr. Arnold—Let me understand exactly what you propose to prove step by step. Mr. Hutchinson—Firstly, that Saunders has falsely sworn that he saw the deed done, for that he was not in the court at all ; and that five persons, all worthy of credit, will swear. Mr. Arnold—Again, the two witnesses who were called upon the trial will swear that he was. Pray understand me, in a case of life and death like the present I am most anxious that the fullest and fairest investigation should be given to the matter on behalf of the accused; but at the same time I must observe that only in common justice to the witness against whom you ate now applying, I should be exceedingly sorry to cast the imputation of perjury upon him unless I saw my way very clearly. And Ido not think that a jury, with the conflict of evidence before them about his not being in the court, would convict him on that ground. Mr. Hutchinson —My other point is, that Saunders falsely swore before the coroner—and I have the foreman and four others of the jury to prove it—that he remained at the end of the court till the man was brought out ; that he had no re freshment ; never went into any refreshment house ; in all of which I will prove he has sworn falsely. Mr, Arnold—The foreman and jury may speak to the best of their recollection, but their memory is not to be relied upon for precise words which may be very material—like depositions or notes. If there was perjury committed upon the trial would it not be better to apply to the Judge at Chambers ? Mr. Hutchinson I understand Mr. Justice Byles is out of town. I understand that this is my proper course. Permit me to point out how very material his statement is, of remaining at the top of the court, because it is by that he fixes the identity of the person he saw brought out ; he was, in truth and in fact, in the pie-shop, and had not the same opportunity of seeing, although ho went outside with Mrs. Crowe, as though ho had been where he declared. Mr. Arnold—lt is not material as to seeing the blow struck, as it had been struck before he went in. Mr. Hutchinson—The matter is discussed over his pudding, and he makes a declaration to Mrs. Crowe that he had heard of it, when, if he is to be believed, he has seen it. We always thought from the beginning that he never saw the occurrence, but that he heard of it ; that while talk ing to a friend the next day he boasted about seeing it, was unwillingly brought forward by that friend to this court, and was then obliged to stand by his declaration. Maloney now, as before you, most strenuously denies his guilt ; his condemnation rests upon the contradicted evidence of Saunders. Re member, sir, how strong the evidence was in Hatch's case, remember what was the result, and. this is precisely similar. Mr. Arnold—There was certainly this difference, that the judge ordered the proceedings in Hatch's favour, and that he was suffering his punishment when they were taken. You cannot try this per jury before the law should take its effect upon the convict. Mr. Hutchinson—lf I am successful, as I hope I shall be, in this application to you, and you grant process against Saunders for perjury, there would be an immediate reprieve while his truth was be ing tested. Mr. Arnold—This is of course a very serious case, and I should wish informations on oath in writing of all the assignments of perjury; it is better than viva voce testimony. I shall then see how far the facts go, how far they are contradicted; and if so, whether material. In an important matter of this description that course would be more satisfactory. Mr. Hutchinson undertook to supply the infor mations as directed, for the worthy magistrate to give the matter his most careful consideration. COUNTRY MARKETS. NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYNE—Ocp. 7. At this corn market there was a tolerable show of wheat, which met a healthy demand ; prices rather improved on the previous week—white making 56s to 635,1 red 48i to 578. The demand for barley was middling, and the same in valuo. Oats were in small show, with a slow sale, from 24s to 30s per 24 stone. Be= met with a firm sale, from 48s to 50s per qr. BRISTOL-OCT. 8. At our market to-day there was a fair attendance of millers, but a limited business was done, and prices were no lower than last Tuesday. In all spring corn we hare no alteration to report. LEEDS—OcT. 8. The reported arrivals of grain are moderate. We have had a fair business to-day, and both old and new wheat of fine quality advanced is upon last week's currencies, and secondary descriptions command late rates. The best bar leys good to sell, but inferior sorts offered at a decline. Other articles un changed. MELTON MOWBRAY—OcT. 8. There was a small show of wheat to-day, which sold readily at the prices of last week, with a fair attendance. Barley a middling show, and late rates supported. For oats quotations were steady. Prices :—White wheat, 55E1 Od to 59s Od ; red, 50s Od to 54s per 36 stone ; beans firm, at 44s to 50s for old; new sorts, —s per 38 st. ; barley, 37s to 40s for malting, and 30s to 32s per qr. for grinding; oats, 24s to 34s Od per 24 stone. NORWICH CATTLE. The show of store cattle to-day consisted of an excellent supply of Scots, Devons, shorthorns, and Irish. A large attendance of buyers. dales were brisk, and at the close few remained unsold. Scots, 4s 6d to 5s Gd ; shorthorns, 4s Gd to 5s ; Irish, 3s 6d to 4s Od; Doyens, 4s to 4a Gd (estimated weight when Fat beasts a small show and sales firm, at 8s Od to 8s 6d per 141 b. Sheep—There was a good supply of sheep in the pens and a fair sale. Fat sheep, 8s Od to 8s Gd per stone; prime, Os Od , and all sold. Pigs--A fair supply. Store; pigs, 16s to 20s; fat pork, 7s 65t0..8s Od per stone. FOREIGN MAIL PACKET LlB2l MAILS DUE. Australia and Mauritius, via Southampton. Oct. 19. via Marseilles ... Oct. 13. Brazil and Cape Verds, by British packet. Nov. 4. Cape of Good Hope, Ascension, and St. Helena Nov. 1. China, Penang, and Singapore, via Southampton Oct. 19. via Marseilles Oct. 13. Falkland Islands Gibraltar, via Southampton .. India (Calcutta), and Ceylon, via Southamyton 04. 19. .. .. . via Marseilles Oct, 13. India (Bombay), via Southampton Oct. 11. via Marseilles Oct. 20. Lisbon Oct. 11. Malta, Egypt, and Aden, via Southampton Oct. 11. via Marseilles Oct. 13. Newfoundland Oct. 16. Oporto and Vigo U. S. and British N. America, by Brit. packet Oct. 10: by U.S. packet by Canadian packet Oct. 9. W.C. of Africa, Madeira, and Teneritle Oct. 10. Bahamas, via New York Oct. 24. Mexico ....0ct. 29. All parts of West Indies, including Chili, Peru, ) Oct. H. California,and British Columbia. POTATOES EXTRAORDINARY. —T wo potatoes, weighing together 31bs. 60z., were grown this season on a plot of ground on the Kingston Hill Estate, and, contrary to expectation, they were quite solid and of fine quality.—. Surrey Comet. LADvERTISEKENT.I—HoIIoway's Ointment and Pills.— The Human Constitution.—The systems of thousands become impaired, and their subsequent happiness destroyed by the neglect of trifling causes. Every person has the power of efficiently repelling these by the use of Holloway's well ,known remedies. The mother or the nurse can always eradicate disease on its first appearance their charges by means of these preparations. The Ointment is particularly wellsuited by its soothing, cooling, and healing qualities, and by its easy application, to the little ailments of childhood. It penetrates from the surface internally, an d thus places in the hands of an attentive nurse an efficient means for extinguishing disorders of the throat, c h es t , or belly, without alarming or annoying the child with internal medicine. BIRTHS. GOODIVYN. — On the 7th inst., at Braxton Cottage, Norton, Isle of Wight, Mrs. Julius Goodwyn, of a son. CLEMENT.—On the 7th inst., at Newington-place, Ken nington, the wife of William Charles Clement, Esq., of a daughter. SERL7I.—On the sth inst., at Polagzo Serlupi, Rome, Cecilia Marehesa Serlupi, daughter of the late Sir James Fitzgerald, Bart,, of a son and heir. MARRIAGES. MoRIEIt—PEEL.—On the 2Gth ult., at I'm ickenham Church, R. B. D. Morier, Attache to H.M.'s Legation at Berlin, to Alice, second daughter of Lieut.-General the Right Hon. J. and Lady Alice Peel. BOOTH—RussEL.--On the sth inst., at St. Mary's, Wool wich, Captain William Booth, Royal Horse Artillery, son of the late Lieut.. Colonel Henry Booth, ICH., to Eliza Emma, eldest daughter of the late Major-General Rus sel, R.A. DEATHS. Buowx.—On the Bth inst., at 19, Warwick-square, city, Mr. John Brown, brother of Mr. Brown, 39, Paternoster. row. BARRETT.—On the 6th inst., at Taunton, Charlotte, wife of Octavius M. Barrett, Esq. CLIFFORD.—On the 6th inst., at Farnham, Surrey, May, the eldest child of Lieut.-Col. Hon, 11. H. Clifford, aged two years and two months. Porcsoxey.—On the 2d inst., at Rottach Tagerness, in Bavaria, William, third Lord Ponsonby, of Imokilly, aged 45. STANDISII.—On Ilia 7th inst., at Clapham-road, John Standish, aged 31. STEEL. —On the Gth inst., at Rotherhithe, Mr. Thos. Steel, aged 88. SToNE.—On the 4th inst., at Camberwell, Pelham Stone, E sq ., aged 81. LONDON : Printed and Published by MURDO YOUNG, of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at THE SUN Office, No. 112,Strand 4 in the Precinct of the Savoy. In the County et hliddlegeX Yedues4ol') Octeber 1862. TiHE SUN, 'LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 9, 1861.