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ti e franchise of a borough which occupied only a small part of it, was the exception to the rule on which they had gone, and he did not see why it should be extended in the cases mentioned. Mr. CROKER said there was no objection which the Noble Lord had used against what be (Mr. Croker) ns pro t posed, which would not apply wit h e q ual force agai Northallerton. Mr. J. L. KNIGHT said, that if the parish had the name of Clitheroe, he supposed there could be no doubt that the franchise would be extended to it ; but it was a different name, ergo it should return one Member instead of two. If this was not the reasoning of the Noble and Hon. Members opposite, he certainly did not understand it. Another objection to the extension of the franchise to the parish was, that it would include an agricultural popu lation, which teemed at a discount at present, and not to be compared in importance with the 101. householders. Bat how did this objection apply to the inhabitants of the parish of Whalley ? Why the borough stood in a parish with a manufacturing population of 84,000 persons. Why, then, was not this place to send two Members to Parlia ment ? Was it that it had not a sufficient population ? or that it lay in part of two parishes, as was unfortunately the case with Appleby ? No ; but because the name of the parish was Whalley, and not Clitheroe.—(Hear, hear.) The lion. and Learned Gentleman went on to show that many of the parishes in Lancashire were divided into sepa rate ecclesiastical jurisdictions, which, for all purposes, were parishes except the name. That was the case with Clitheroe, and amongst those divisions was one—that of the chapelry of Clitheroe—which included three town ships, and contained a population of 4,032. Here, then, was the mother church of the parish, having the same name as the borough, and here, therefore, was a case which met the principle of the Noble and Hon. Members oppo site. Here was the required population. Mr. STANLEY asked on what authority this statement as to population rested. Mr. KNIGHT said that it rested on authority which lie believed to be correct. He would give no other answer. A Meeteea here rose to order; hot on being called on by the Chairman to state the ground on wbich he rose, he did not persevere. Mr. KNIGHT said, if after what they were told, that Members would have the opportunity of stating facts as to boroughs proposed to be disfranchised, the facts he stated were doubted, he demanded an inquiry.—(Hear, hear.) Here %VW a case which came within the Noble Lord's prin • eiple, and demanded an answer. Mr. STANLEY regretted that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had shown such want of temper.—(Hear, hear, horn the :Ministerial side.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had not long been a Member of that House ; and when lie was more acquainted with it, he would be aware that it was not a departure from the courtesy due from one Member to another to ask, on a nice point of a disputed fact, on what authority a statement referring to that fact tested.—(Hear, hear.) It certainly was not in accordance with the courtesy of that House that the Hon. and Learned Member, when asked a question, should draw himself up, and putting himself in a posture, with folded arms, should say, " You have your population returns, but I have my assertion, and if you ask me on what authority it rests, all I shall tell you is, that I will not tell, and you may go where you can to find it."—(Cheers from the Ministerial side.) As he had not the Hon. and Learned Member's authority for the statement, all he should say of it was, that it would be much better to rely upon the population returns, which gave no such account as the Hon. and Learned Member had read. The Right Hon. Gentleman then went on to contend that the parish of Whalley was a large district, including several town ships, but Clitheroe was a separate district, which had been formerly under the rule of the Abbey of Whalley. The borough of Clitheroe was a different jurisdiction ; and as it was stated in the returns to have a population under that which the House had decided should be the rule for the return of two Members, be must he excused if he declined to take the statement of the lion. and Learned Member, however respectable his individual authority might be. Sir C. WETHERELL admitted it was bad to be out of temper, but it was worse to be out of argument ; and certainly the Right Hon. Gentleman had left the argument of his Hon. and Learned Friend untouched. No man was less apt to be out of temper than his lion. and Learned Friend. On this occasion he might have imagined that the call for the authority was questioning his personal statement ; but lie did not think that his refusal to give that authority ought to Isave subjected him to the large share of reprehension which the Right lion. Gentleman had bestowed upon him. What was the case which his Hon. and Learned Friend had opened ? The Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Sir C. Wetherell) here reestated the argument of his Hon. and Learned Friend, and contended that it had not received an answer bee iuse it was unanswerable. What were the objections to the extension of the franchise hom boroughs to parishes ?—that the parish was too large; then that the parish was too small; rext that it would be improper to extend it in the cases where the borough was situated in part of the two parishes ; and, last of all, that the borough and parish were not of the same name. Did the Noble Lord mean to rely on that objection ? If he did there was no schoolboy who would attempt to answer such an absurdity. Nor would be believe that it would be in sisted on till he should hear it. But if that monstrous ab surdity were to be urged, then it waa met at once by the case put by his HOG. and Learned Friend, that in this parish there was a chapelry, or division,—a parka in all but the name,—which bore the name of Clitheroe, and bed the required population. The argument founded on the parish not being of the same name as the borough, was the argument of a fiddler, or a quibbler, or a mountebank, for a man who would attempt to legislate on such absur dity would deserve the application of all those terms, and worse. Such quibbling and quackery, arch mountebank legislation, such silly fooleries, such absurd dJdlipg, such contemptible g asc onade, such fiddling upon a broken "riddle, such downright and contemptible puerilities, might be of some consequence perhaps if addressed to a new House of Commous, but they would never pass In the present.— (" Hear, hear, hear," and some cries of Were they to tell the pe o p le of Etigland that one of the principles of this Bill was, that the franshise was not to be extended to a populous parish, because it happened not to be of the same name as the ho rough,—because the name of the parish was Whaliee, and that of the borough was Clitheroe ?—(Hear, hear.) lie ?should be glad to hear—not from the Right Hon. Gentle man, who took upon himself the office of Attorney-Gene ra! with regard to this Bill—but he should like ho hear f ro m some lawyer—from the Attorney. General, who was hound to maintain the law of Englaode--he called on him to state whether such contemptible puerilities were to be the foundation of a legislative measure. Ministers blew hot and cold on this measure. They said that the fren chise should not be extended from a borough to two pa rishes, because they were not one parish. 'this was blow ing hot ; and then they would clot extend it to one parish because it was one. This was blowing cold.—(hear. ) All three were absurdities too great to be endured by that Clouse—(Hear, hear)—whatever might be the case in a reformed House of Commons.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. CUST said that the chapelry of Clitheroe included three townships with the required number of inhabitants. Mr. STANLEY said that the charge made by the lion. and Learned Gentleman against that (the Ministerial) aide of she liouse, of acting the parts of fiddlers or mounte- • b an ks s vi t .ll respect to the Bill, was exceedingly unfair. If there was Any fiddler in the case, it was the Hon. and Learned Member himself, olio, in point of gestcre, and for harping continuaily on one string, might beat n Pa h ganreiet himself.—(Hear , bear.) Whether tie^. Allusio wit spect to the mo untebank also applied to the Hon. and Learned Member he should say nothing. The fin. and Learned Gentleman had described him es performing elet office of Attorney-General to the King's Cabinet, with respect to this Bill. It was often exceedingly difficult to distinguish the Hen. and Learned Gentleman's com pliments from his censures.—(Hear.) Possibly the Hon. and Learned Gentleman meant to compliment him, but h e s h ou ld very much regret if his conduct with respect to the Reform Bill at all justified the assertions of the lion. and Learned Gentleman, that he had usurped the part of the Attorney-General on the present occasion. —(Hear, hear.) All, however, that he would say, in reply was, that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman lied himself shown, by the course which he pursued, that the habit of intolerable garrulity,—of eternal and inexhaus tible triffieg and verbosity,—of coustently repeating' the seine things, vari e d in a thousand forms, end brought for- ' ward without intermission night after night, might still Ihere to an Attorney-General, after he had ceased to sit on the Ministerial side of the House.—(Cheers.) 7 - 1 lion. and Lea rned Member had been amusin g on theps sen t occasion, but , a s was alwa y s t he case with the Ho n.e and Learned Gentleman, Amusing at considerable length. —( Hear, hear, amid laughter.) 'With respect to the ques tion before the House, he contended that it would be a • palpa bl e e h e urilitt , to decide tha e t x.d t tte l et ui ds rig h l a it oi l n vo i tin . gtoe to the con the borough of Clitheroe should. seining 57,000 inhabitants. 'd_ ( paris h their 15:21, and by them they were pre. ase one the returns of pared to stand. 31r. CUST sai d, that the population . of Clitherow, with the three township), cubit ccording to official &ce ments, the requisite nmber of i aiihaante to Sav e the bo eough from disfranchisement.' • PRAEI) ileprecatslthe introduelio n of P e r''' ) " Li • ties into the debate. lie considered that in fairness the parochial chapelry of Clitherne ought to be added to the borough, for the purposes of the Bill, and the population would then amount to upwards of 4,000. Lord J. RUSSELL said, that it appeared by the popu lation returns that the borough contained no more than 3,213 inhabitants ; and he thought it would he absurd to add to the borough certain townships which really had no connection with it.—(Hear, hear.) An Hon. and Learned Gentleman on the other side of the House had employed harsh words against the members of his Ma jesty's Government. He had endeavoured by some sort of quibble or other, to show that certain boroughs ought to have been put in the disfranchising schedules, which it was clear, from the obvious meaning of the rules of the Bill, never could be included.—(Hear, hear.) The lion. and Learned Gentleman seemed to think by appealing to the country that his arguments would be approved cf by the people, but that appeal would be attended with a very different effect from what the Hon. and Learned Gentle man supposed.—(Hear, bear.) The country would see through his arguments—(Hear, hear) —the country would see that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's play upon words, and his endeavours to make distinctions where there was really no difference, were merely attempts to gain time.—(Cheers.) The common sense of the country would distinguish between the conduct of those who is honestly persisting in the Reform measure as it was ori ginally formed, and the course of proceeding adopted by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman.—(Cheers.) Sir C. WETHERELL said, that it appeared to him that the Hon. Secretary for Ireland had assumed a tone nod a station in that House far above what properly be longed to him.—(Loud cries of " No,"and cheers.) lie had assumed a vigour beyond himself—(" No," and hear) --but if the Hon. Secretary could sustain that station, and if the Noble Lord (Russell) could find success in dealing out censures on those opposed to him, then let them du so. The lion. Secretary for Ireland had addressed to him (Sir C. Wetherell) rather free-spoken terms. He had usurped a station beyond his power to sustain.—(Loud cries of "No," and cheers.) Was the Hon. Secretary aware of the terms which he had used towards him—(Sir C. Wetherell?) Perhaps the Hon. Secretary had for gotten thein.—(" Question.") He would tell Hon. Members who cried out " question," that he would allow no man to attack him without making a defence.—( Hear.) The Hon. Secretary for Ireland, he conceived, had ex hibited a want of temper in the discussion, and bad put him in mind of Mr. Burke's observation, that new power, anti in new hands, was apt to be abused.—(Bear, hear.) But he begged leave to inform the Hon. Secretary, who had lately become one of the Cabinet Ministers, that with his duty as Minister was not combined censorship over the Members of that Rause.—(Bear.) lie remembered that the First Lord of the Admiralty had, on one occasion, de signated a certain officer in that House by the title of iljox flagellifer. NOw he told the Hon. Secretary for Ireland, that if he desired to be a flagellifer, he must first possess the requisite strength.—( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Secretary, who had not answered one of the arguments which had been brought forward, might possess a good deal of the disposition of a flagellifer, yet he did not think that the lion. Secretary was an Ajax.—(Cheers.) He hoped, therefore, that while tie Bill was being discussed, the Hon. Secretary would hang up his whip-cord, and that the Noble Lord would restrain his dull censures, for do what they might, they would not impede him from dis charging his duty.—(Cheers.) The Noble Lord (Russell ) had taunted him with an appeal to the people; but he did not believe that the people would taunt him for performing his duty.—(Cheers : considerable laughter was occasioned by the vehement and frequent cries of " bear" from an Hors. Member on the Ministerial side.) The Noble Lord had presumed to say that be (Sir C. Wetherell) had ad duced arguments merely for the purpose of delay. Ile called upon the Noble Lord to point out any one single instance in which be had so acted. He had never originated any discussion himself ; and had only taken part in those which had been introduced by others.—(Hear.) Ile, therefore, was a candidate for the good opinion of the people, but not like the Noble Lord, for democratic popularity.—(Hear, hear.) Sir G. MURRAY said that in other places the parish bad been added to the borough, and he saw no reason why, in the present case, the chapelry might not be added to Clitheroe, in place of the parish. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he was unwilling to allude to the discussion which had pre ceded the observations mails by the Gallant Officer (Sir G. Murray); but he must state his opinion that the esti mation of the talents of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Stanley) would not depend on the fiat of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman.—(Hear, hear.) It did not appear to him that his Hon. Friend had lost his temper—(Hear, hear) —and as for strong language, he believed that no man made use of stronger language than the Hon. and Learned Member himself.—(Hear, hear.) He really thought that the Hon. and Learned Member would be the last man to object to strong expressions, if he only recollected the language which he had employed previous t' the Hon. Secretary for Ireland rising to speak.--(Hear, bear.) With respect to the borough of Clitheroe, it was marked in the population returns as containing a certain amount of inhabitants ; and lie did not think that the House would consent to add the townships to the borough, in or der to make up the requisite number. Mr. A. BARING thought a good case had been made out for joining the chapelry of Clitheroe to the parish. Mr. PRAED wished to know on what grounds Mini sters decided the case of this borough. Was it that they objected to the reception of the additional information, consisting of a letter to the Home-office, dated 1831, or that, admitting the evidence, they objected to join the chapelry to the borough? Lord J. RUSSELL said, that if Ministers acceded to the proposition to unite the chapelry to the borough, they would be setting up a new principle. Mr. PRAED was not satisfied with this answer. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that if Ministera took part of the parish, they would he forming a new principle. Sir C. WETHERELL said, that it appeared, then, that Ministers would neither take the population out of the parish or out of the chapelry. Mr. PRAED repeated his question, not to be satisfied with the answer be had yet got.—(Laughter.) He said that it was an important fact that the inhabitants of the chapelry paid their poor rates exclusively to the borough. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER repeated, that the principle of Ministers was not to take in part of a parish to make up the population, and said that the Nouse must decide whether they would depart from the prinniple in the present instance. Mr. CtIOKER said, that the parish was rejected be cause it was too iasgsa and had no connexion with the bo rough, anti the chapelry WILL' rejected because it was closely dad intimately connected with it..—(Hear.) Mr. J. b. KNIGHT thought that before the discussion closed, lie was Zotitled, a personal allusion having been made to him, to make a low observations on the subject.— (Hes a s.) Some Hon. Gentlemen around him had alluded to, and complained of, that personal attack. From that complaint he entirely dissented, for in proportion to the ;rest respect which ire felt for the Right Hon. Blember's (Isls, Stanley's) private character, the more be valued his censure. 71 was well knswn that from the Right lion. Member personal attack would never come, except from lack of argument, and because there was something to reply to, with regard to which the legitimate means of re plying wets not at band.—(Hear, bear.) He repeated, that lie felt the gr.-24,e,5t esteem for the Right 11on. Mem ber's private character, and ir). the same degree as he re apeored the Right lion, Member's private virtues, in the sa . same d.:gzee did he detest the public principles of the pre sent adininistion, of which the Right Hon. Menthe; formed a part. —(lleaa, bear.) With regard to the oh se,•v?.tions which the Right I 10;;. Gentleman had applied to low, by begged leave to say not me tzia fervida terrent dicta; Dii r' terrent. The gallery, the gods of the Noble Lord opposite, Seasified him.—( Hear. ) The question was then plat assl carried, and Clitheroe was adde.: to schedule B. The next question was, "that Cockermoutn stand part of sche4le B." Sir J. ,F h cAPITT said he could see no ground for making a distinatico he.sy . gen Pockerrnouth, and Morpetls and Horsham. Lord J. RUSSELL said that the diatiactiou was founded on the kopolation returns. Sir C. Wetlitpell, Mr. Herries, Mr. Baring, and Mr. it ttwood, severally contr.ded that Cockermouth was as fully cintWed to return two liem,lg.N . s as Morpeth and Ilorshana. Mr. C. FERGUS,..OISI complained that the alma of the Catninittete has been ,oecnpled in discussing the cases of Horsham and Morpeth, instead of the uuestion before them.—(Hear.) Ile recommended the Committsse not to attend to what Ministers had done in the cases of Horsham; and Morpeth, but to decide at once upon the case of Cockermouth.—(tiear.) to the charg e o f was ti ng Sir R, PEEL said that he would not lay himself open After the facts w hi c h he hatdliewdatireeedoflastitteniCg.ohstnom4ittteleme. case of Chipp en l iam ,-1 acts w hi c h prove d to the satisfac tion of every man—(N o )—h e h ope d l i on would not contradict an assertion b e f ore he ma.deilte.mblgies oz u et l i i was going to say, that the facts which he dependencedticed pr ad to the satisfaction of every man , that no lie placed on th.e rillill:Ation returns o f )t,,,,!........(hiear.) After the decision of last night, by which the Committee refused to receive any evidence of the inaccuracy of those returns, he would not trouble the Committee with any de tails respecting the remaining boroughs in schedule B. Mr. HUNT said, that the Right Hon. Baronet should have made that deel tration before. Mr. BLAMIRE said, that he would vote for the reten tion of Cockermouth in schedule B, because it came within the rule respecting population which Ministers had laid down. At the same time he was convinced, that if the electors of Cockermouth could have been allowed to have returned two Members, they would have exercised their privilege with honour to themselves and advantage to the country. The Committee then divided, and the numbers were— For the original motion Against it l5l Majority for continuing Cockerinouth in Schedule B On our return to the gallery, we found that the ques tion had been put for placing the borough of Dorchester in schedule B. Lord ASHLEY said he should state a few facts to the Committee, which would the better enable them to decide whether the borough of Dorchester, which he had the honour to represent, should be partly disfranchised. lle admitted, that if the line of population selected by his Ma jesty's Ministers were strictly adhered to, then he could not, on that point, make out a case for Dorchester. It ought not, however, to be forgotten, that there were tioo voters for Dorchester, of whom 300 resided there. Neither ought they to lose sight of the fact, that Dorchester was the county town, and that the county was wealthy and populous. There were in the borough of Dorchester no less than 333 houses paying 101. a-year rent.—(Hear.) Having stated this, he would ask on what principle could the Noble Paymaster of the Forces place Dorchester in schedule B, when Ministers had declared that they p. oceeded on a mixed calculation of population and property ? ' (Hear, bear.) If the Noble Lord persisted in retaining the borough in schedule B, it was clear that he must throw property out of the question, and decide wholly on popula tion. There was another circumstance which seemed to have escaped the notice of Ministers in dealing with Dorchester. He meant the contiguity of the borough to Fordingtou. Fordington was as much a part and parcel of Dorchester as any place possibly could be part and parcel of another. The united population of Dorchester and Fordington, by the census of 1821, would exceed 4,000 persons. He did not mean to say that Fordington was directly connected with the borough, but he would ask whether the same principle by which Falmouth was to he joined to Penrhyn, and Wollner and Deal to Sandwich, might not with propriety be adopted in the case of Dor chester and Fordington ?—(Hear, hear.) There was not, be begged leave to observe, any property in the borough of power sufficient to command a return. He defied any person to prove that any thing like nomination prevailed in Dorchester, and he would boldly state, on his word of honour, his firm belief that nomination in that borough was impossible. After a connexion of many years with Dorchester, he was thoroughly convinced that it ought not to come within the enactments of this Bill. His father had told him, upon his honour, that he had never made u - c of any undue influence in returning Members for Dor chester. He had himself represented the borough in two Parliaments, and he could safely assert that he had never been asked a favour by any of the electors, and that he had never conferred one.—(Hear, hear.) He could point out six boroughs which would still send two Members each to Parliament which had a smaller number of 101. houses by 60 than Dorchester contained. Neither hie Majesty's Ministers, nor any other set of men, could ever create a more excellent constituency than that which Dorchester now boasted. As this probably was the last Parliament ,n which he should sit for that place, he deemed it tight :o make this statement in favour of his constituents. The CIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Noble Lord was the last man in that House to whom he would attribute any corrupt or improper election proceed ings. The Noble Lord had observed that he considered himself on this occasion as taking leave of his constituents. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) did not, however, think that such was the case, because the Noble Lord's character always stood so high, that it would induce any body of constituents with whom he might happen to be connected, still to give him their honest support.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lerd admitted that, taking the rule of population, there was no case for Dorchester. " But," observed the Noble Lord, " you ought, with respect to this borough, to adopt the mixed principle of population and property,which you have laid down in other instances." What 'Ministers, however, hail stated was, that they would adopt population as the basis upon which Members were to be returned to Parliament, but that when they found the constituency defective, they would then look to pro perty as an essential point. Deal and Walmer had been attached to Sandwich, and Falmouth to Penrhyn, upon this very principle, the towns thus joined being large, wealthy, and populous. That, however, was not the case with reference to Fordington. The Noble Lord said this was not a nomination borough. That might he so. He knew some of the boroughs which this Bill would at'_ fect were not nomination boroughs. But Ministers hoped that the alterations now proposed, as they would prevent inconsiderable places from sending Members to Parka ment, would effectually put a stop to that system out of which nomination boroughs had grown. Upon these grounds be could not consent to remove Dorchester from schedule 11. Mr. R. WILLIAMS supported the proposition for tak ing Dorchester out of schedule B. Sir G. WARRENDER said, that the borough which he had the honour to represent (Honiton) was the only other place in schedule B that had the number of 101. houses (exceeding 300) which the Noble Lord had laid down as a rule. It appeared that Dorchester had 333 10/. houses and 500 electors, while the borough which he represented had 550 resident electors, and upwards o f 300 10!. houses. So that in these two instances there was a sufficient constituency without going elsewhere to look for one.—(Hear, hear.) Under the new plan several boroughs, the names of which he did not wish to mention, would still send two Members to Parliament, though they did not contain so many 10/. houses as Dorchester and Honiton. In one of them the number of 10/. houses was 227, in another 225, a third 225, a foorth 205, and Sand. wick 225. With respect to this last place, it would be come, under this Bill, a very snuz, nomination borough, in the hands of the Admiralty. This he would state posi tively on his own knowledge of the borough, which lie had represented in two Parliami nts.—(Hear, hear.) All these boroughs to which he had referred would hi fact be no• think but nomination boroughs.—(Hear.) And most as suredly, if he were rettn ned for Honiton in a Reformed Par liament, he would attack those nominatio n boroughs. A most arbitrary and unjust rule had beeit adopt ed mean e Go vernment in framing this measure. He dd not mto impute improper motives to them, but certainly the course they pursued would have the effect of creating a great number of nomination boroughs. This schedule would, in his opinion, be the death of the Bill. He admitted that the majority of the public were with the Noble Lord ; but when they proceeded to disfranchise 5,000 or 6,000 elec tors, against whom no complaint was made, and when the result was only to create nomination boroughs, to what conclusion could the country come, when it ultiniatel) began to reason on the subject ? Amersham had been a nomination borough. It was now put into this schedule, and it would again become a nomination borough u ndei -- the influence of a Noble Duke and a Noble Lord.—(hear. ) Mr. G. BANKES said the House could riot very well spare two such intelligent Members as now represented Dorchester. One of them (Mr. Williams) who bad been eonnected with that place for twenty-five years, proved that it was not a nomination borough. He was not the own er of a single house in the town, but he was elected on ac count of the high character and reputation which he bore in the county, where he was well known. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had expressed a wish that the Noble Lord (Ashley) should be again returned for Dorchester ; but surely that noble person could have no reason for de siring that the other Member should he excluded. It ap peared to him that Ministers, in the whole of their pro ceedings, were mending the Constitution with one hand, while they were making holes in it with the other. lie did not understand why Sandwich and Penryn were suf fered to remain, while placea o f at le a st as much import ance were wholly or partially di sfranchised, except that, in these cases, Ministers were acting on a conservative principle, and sparing certain boroughs to which thou selyee or their friends might have a ccess. He was the more especially inclined to believe that this was the case, because the Noble Paymaster seemed to have put forth his feelers en this point, when he said, that after the Bill was passed, it would he for the House to consider, if they thoaght fit, whether any alteration should be made with respect to the manner in which those who hal accepted of office should take their seats in that House. The Hon. (gentleman then argued that Fordington should be joined to Dorchester ; as Deal and Walmer were coupled with Sandwich, and Falmouth with Penryn. The right of in dividuals should not be sacrificed to mere technicalities and be could see no reason why, in several instances, Mi nisters had adhered to ecclesiastical decisions in admini stering civil affairs. When the Attorney-General carried them back to the days of purity, to the time of Alfred, he ought to have recollected, that this country then had di visions of hundreds and tailings with respect to civil mat ters, while the division of parishes related solely to eccle i biastical affairs. Dorchester had been rightly described a, the county town of a flourishing district, and certiinly it ought not to be partially disfranchised when it possessed a proper constituency. Sir R. PEEL confessed, that there appeared to him to be very good reason for granting two Members to the bo rough of Dorchester, becawc Fordiugton formed a con tinuous town, though it was not actually included in the borough. On the principle which had already been laid down, he thought that an exemption from schedule B ought to be extended to Dorchester. If they took For dington away, he admitted that the population would not then be sufficient to remove the borough from the line drawn by the Noble Lord ; and he stated this for the pur pose of asserting decidedly the absuldity of that line. Absurd that rule was, because it here included that very constituency which the promoters of the Bill had de clared to be the best possible constituency. He did not, however, rest on these points; for the question now under discussion involved a much more important principle. This borough had a constituency respec table, contributing to all local charges, and consisting of 500. This constituency they were about to reduce to 300, by disfranchising 200 of them. Now he did not insist upon any abstract, inherent right in these persons to the enjoyment of the elective franchipe ; but the fatal error of the Bill was this—namely, that when they had the means of preserving, in connection with the rest of the community, that class of the community, which, support ing themselves by their own industry, contributing to local rates, and raised far above the condition of paupers, though not capable of renting houses of 101.—when, he said, they had the means of doing this, and thereby of softening their heartless and arbitrary line, they had neglected those means and carried certain discontent into the bosoms of all persons who were so dealt with—(Cheers from the Opposition)—he had said that he did not insist upon any abstract right inherent in this class to the en joyment of the elective franchise; for the right of the people was, I,e thought, not to the exercise of the elective franchise, but to be well governed. Neither did he con ' tend for the indiscriminate admission of this class to the enjoyment of the elective franchise in large towns— (H a, hear, from the Ministerial benches)—but he thought that it would have been wise to have retained this class of voters in certain boroughs. The very ground upon which they gave the franchise to 10/. householders in large towns, where the population was large, would have justified them in retaining this clam; of voters in boroughs where the population was small ; and lie believed that the only means of promoting the permanence of the measure would be to retain such boroughs as Dorchester. Mr. JOHN STANLEY (who was very indistinctly heard i❑ the gallery) said that the discussions of that even ing were a proof that any concession, no matter how fair and just, only led to demands for farther concessions which had nothing of fairness or justice in them ; and he was convinced, that if what had been asked with regard to Appleby had been granted, instead of being, as it had been, most justly and righteously refused, there would not have l:een a single borough in schedule A with regard to which similar claims would not have been put forward, and that there would not have been a single borough re turned in schedule B. He could not help congratulating the Hon. Member for Corfe Castle (Mr. G. Banke:) upon his constitutional fears, lest, by any alteration in the exist ing law, Members, on accepting office, should not necessa rily be sent back to their constituents ; and that so a great, popular, and constitutional controul over the appointment of a Ministry should be lost. But where did the Hon. Member find that controul under the pr, sent system ? Did not the Hon. Memter recollect, that when a Right Hon. Baronet opposite was rejected by his constitmnts at Ox ford, he took refuge in the small borough of Westbury ? _(Loud and continued cries of " Hear" front the Oppo sit:on.) If the gentlemen opposite would be good enough to listen, they would find that his argument was not at all favourable to their views upon this subject.—(Renewed cries of " Hear" from the Opposition.) Let the gentle men opposite cheer what he was about to say now. Could it make any difference,—with regard to this supposed popular controul,—whether a Minister sat in that House es-officio, or whether a Minister were turned over to the patron of a nomination borough, to be returned by such pat: on ?—(Continued cheers from the Ministerial benches.) Did the Honourable Member for Corfe Castle mean to say that a man was sent back to his constituents, and that a popular check and controul was exercised, when that roan, having vacated his seat fur one place, was re turned fur Westbury or any similar borough ?—(Cheers.) With regard to the case now before them, the case of Dorchester, it was admitted that it did not come up to the line which had been laid down ; and as Ministers must by this time have seen that one concession would only have the effect of provoking demands for another, lie did trust that they would adhere rigidly to that line, both in the case of this and of every other borough. Mr. A. BARING thought Dorchester a very proper case for exception. He verily believed, that if Major Cartwright were alive, the hair of his head would stand on end, ardent Reformer as he was, at the news that a Mi nistry bad introduced a measure of Reform which went to the disfranchisement of county towns. He thought that the most unjustifiable part of this Bill was the disfranchise. ment of such places as Guildford and Dorchester, which had in them the important feature that they were county towns. The Hon. Member then went into a long argu ment upon the principle of the Bill generally, and con cluded by complaining that the measure was forced upon the House without deliberation, the Ministers shutting their ears to reason, and declining either to adduce argu ments themselves, or to answer the arguments brought forwerd by the gentlemen on that (the Opposition) side of the house.—(blear, and laughter ) The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that it was ex tremely difficult for gentlemen ou his side the House to know what course they ought to pursue. If they made speeches in reply as long as the provocative speeches of their adversaries, it was quite clear that they should be playing the game of their adversaries.—(Hear.) Then again, although this [louse of Commons, or, at least, that part of it opposite, affected to be shocked by nothing so touch as by bad manners, it did not—or at least that part of it opposite did not, —always treat gentlemen, who rose to answer their arguments, in the most polished manner. The gentlemen opposite had more than once insinuated that this House of Commons was to leave a kind of testa mentary example to their successors, who, as they were to be Members of Reformed Parliaments, must of ne cessity, as it seemed to the gentlemen opposite, be vastly ungenteel ; but if those gentlemen thought that the ex ample of this Parliament would be of so much importance to succeeding ones, let hint suggest to them that it might be as well not to receive the speeches of their opponents with laughter,—not to interrupt a gentleman in the middle of a sentence with a vociferous cheer, nor to con duct themselves in other respects in such a manner as to sully that reputation for gentility and good breeding, and good manners, which they so freq uentl y boasted that this Parliament possessed, and which the y p rognosticated that no succeeding Parliament, becau s e Reformed, could p ossess in any thing like an equal degree.—(Cheers and laughter.) Another mode of treating the arguments from that (the Minis'erial) side of the House was by replying, " 011 ! that's no answer at all." Now such answers happene Ito be the best they could give, though they were generally shortly expressed, and not in that plausible and solemn manner, nor at that wearisome length, with which, on the other side, one and the same string of arguments against the Bill were so constantly repeated upon every part of the details of the Bill..—(Hear, hear.) if the gentlemen on that (the Ministerial) side did give an answer, they were told that it was no answer at all ; and, if they gave no an swer, then it was said they had mine to give. The Gen tlemen opposite might continue to pursue this course if they pleased ; but then they must allow him and his lion. Friends to choose whether they would speak under such circumstances or remain silent. The lion. Gentleman (Mr. A. Baring) who had just sat down, had exclaimed in agony and astonishment, " Good God ! you are about to disfranchise a county town." This, however, was a mis take ; they were going to do no such thing. They were merely going to deprive a county town of one Member, and they were going to do this because the return of one Member was as much as its fair share in the general re presentation of the country. But suppose they had been going to disfranchise a county town, what then ? Pray where had the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. A. Baring) found, in his constitutional reading, that there was any necessary connexion between representation and a county town ?—(Hear, hear, bear.) Chelmsford, which was the county town of Essex, returned no Members; Mansfield was the county town of Nottinghamshire, and it returned no Members ; the same was true of other county towns, and be had never heard that they were the worse for not returning Members, any more than he had ever heard that Wilton was the better because it did re turn Mervbers. They had been told, toe, that they were sitting now upon a judicial inquiry. This he denied. However, if it were so, then let them see how the gen tlemen on the other side acted in their judicial capacity, An Hon. Baronet (Sir G. Warrender) opposite had told them that be entreated a fair, calm, and dispassionate con sideration of the case of Dorch e st e r ; and why ? Because the case of Dorchester was the same as the case of the lion. Baronet's own borough. This was the conduct of one of the judges ; and if they were upon a judicial in quiry, be certainly could not perceive the propriety of such an appeal from one of the bench.—(liear, hear.) And now what was the question at present befor e the Committee ? it was this • there had been laid down a certain line, and It*As . admitted that Dorchester was be low that line. The quehtion then was—whether it sbou'd lose one of its Members? It was contended that it ought not to lose one of its Members, because by adding to the • population of Dorchester the population of a neighbour ing town, a population of 4,018 would be producel. Now he put it to the House whether it was in con formity with reason and argument, or whether the straightforward and plain course was to adhere to the line.—(Hear, hear, hear.) He thought in common con sistency they were bonnd to adhere to the line, and be tween that course and the utter abandonment of the line, he could perceive no mode of proceeding which would not lead to the most fluctuating, perhaps the most con flicting, results.—(Hear.) He fully concurred with the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. John Stanley) near him, that one concession only led to demands for another; and he did trust that the Ministers would agree to no farther conces sion. —(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) opposite had, in speaking of this line, permitted himself to use the word " absurdity;" to speak of the absurdity of the line, which absurdity, according to the Right Hon. Baronet, consisted in their reducing the con stituency of Dorchester from 500 to 300. But in the first place the line did no such thing, for all existing rights were preserved during the life-time of those entitled to those rights, and it would, therefore, be many years befog e this reduction took place, if ever it took place at all. Then, again, the Right lion. Baronet had characterized the line as an absurd one, because it passed over a partieu- lar class of voters ; but, in the name of common sense, must not every line do the same?—(Hear) —must not some persons ever be excluded, whatevever arrangement might be made, if that arrangement stopped short of universal suffrage?—(Hear, hear.) He supposed that the Right Hon. Baronet did not wish that any persons under the age of 21 should be entitled to vote at elections ; but might nut the young gentlemen of twenty and a half adopt the argu m,nt of the Right Hon. Baronet, and say that they were heartlessly and arbitrarily used by the law ?—(Hear, hear.) Might not these young gentlemen, who wanted so little of the legal age, who came so near to what they might think the absurd legal line—might not one of these say, as the friends of the borough of Dorchester said, " How hard is my case ; I am stronger and tiller than my brother, who is twenty-one ; I earn more money than he does ; I know more than he does; I am in a more flouri•hiug con dition than he is; and yet, because I am six months younger I am not to be allowed a vote, though he has one."— (Cheers and laughter.) The argument of such a gentle man would be quite as good as the argument in favour of Dorchester, and such a young gentleman would have just as much show of reasoning in calling the law heartless, arbitrary, and absurd, as the Right Hon. Baronet had in applying those epithets to the line which excluded Dor chester frotn returning two Members to Parliament. In a word, the direct consequence of the Right Hon. Baronet's argument was, that the suffrage should be uni versal ; for if a line were drawn short of that, there would always be a large numi er of discontented persons who would come near the line, and whose claims, therefore, to the suffrage would, by the Right Hon, Baronet's mode of reasoning, be just and equitable claims. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman concluded by regretting that Hon. Members had not confined their observations to the case before the Committee, and deferred the discussion into which they had embarked until they came to the 10/. clause. Sir G. WARRENDER wondered where the Learned Attorney-General bad learned his law, that led bins to con demn persons without evidence. His (Sir G. Warrender's) constituents were more pure than those of Nottingham. He had incurred the resentment of the Hon. and Learned Gent'eman because he defended the scot and lot voters. It was the reckless desire of change that bud dictated this measure,—not a desire to benefit the constituency of the country. Other countries were now looking with fearful anxiety to our proceedings, which he feared would make shipwreck of all our hopes of good government. Lord JOHN RUSSELL rose merely to dissuade the Committee from continuing this irregular discussion. The Hon. Baronet had been exceedingly eloquent as to the effects of this measure ; but really the only question was, whether Dorchester should have one Member or two.— (Hear.) The population was under the line, and however he might regret the penalty in this instance, he must vote for its continuance in schedule B. Mr. CHOKER .id, that the speech of the Noble Lord had only one fault ; it was an answer to the Attorney. General instead of the lion. Baronet ; for it was the lion. and Learned Gentleman who abandoned Dorchester, and hail entered into a discussion of almost every thing else ; he had even given them a lecture upon manners, mirabile dicta ! The Attorney-General had turned master of the ceremonies to the House of Commons.—(Cheers from the Opposition.) But when the Hon. and Learned Gentleman talked of interruption, he should direct his glances behind him. —(llear ) No one more deplored interruption—no one had more reason—...than he (Mr. Croker); but did the Hon. and Learned Gentleman mean that the interruption was not in the exact proportion of numbers ?—that there was not a majority of interruption on his side?—(" Hear," from the Opposition.) No man ought to follow two trades. Having taken up the task master, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman ought to lay down the lawyer.— (Hear.) His Hon. Friend had said that the population of Dorchester was 4,018. The Hon. and Learned Gen tleman not being able to grapple with this argument, had endeavoured to get rid of it by a sneer ; he said it ex ceeded the number by the paltry sum of 18—the paltry sum.—(" Hear" from the Opposition.) Why Mahon had only five more, Harwich only ten.—(Hear.) Here was a line drawn : they showed that Dorchester was within it, and the Attorney-General had told them, it was only the paltry number of IS. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL denied he had used such an expression. Mr. CROKER—It was the hypothetical argument of the lion. and Learned Gentleman. Ile had denied that it was over the line, but said if it was, it was only by a small, or, as he understood him, a paltry number. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had, however, answered one thing ; he had answered the speech of an Hon. Friend of his, which had been spoken last night. lie (Mr. Croker) had been led into this excursion from Dorchester.— (Laughter from the Treasury Benches.) That was a commentary on the lecture of the Attorney-General.— (Hear, hear.) Those g entlemen, however, must take care, or they would get a good roasting from the Attor ney-General for disobedience of orders. The Right lion. Gentleman proceeded to contend that Dorchester con sisted of three parishes, inter mania, for it was originally a walled town, and its population within the liberties was really 4,600. Mr. HUNT, when he thought of what was to be eone with Caine, rotten ditty Caine and Saltash, and what was to be done with Dorchester, a respectable county town, was astonished at the principle, and there would be a ge neral question in the country as to its justice The Committee then divided, when there appeared, For the question 279 Against it Majority for the question —B6 The question, " That Droitwich stand part of the schedule," was carried without a division. The question, " Th tt Evesham stand part of the sche dule," was carried, after a few words from Mr. Hudson, Mr. Cresset Pelham, and Sir C. Cockerell. On the question " That Great Grimsby stand part of the schedule," b o u ia t n at 4, t o h o a o t inhabitants,tlie nht i i t g was , he would - a m u d , el ur r i n it er a e i l , y ,n s b a r , ou t g b i a l t , Mr. SIIELLEY had intendad to say a few words' although, by the returns of 1821, the borough had less schedule i. i s nor a decayed borough, but a hi g hl y t h r i v i ng an d pros perous I in HARRlS schedule erriomusbsby wag a borough. until Captain ied that •f h rotten borough. He would not consent to teain c A. o that borough,indeed, borough nii)e, i:voars o o o ueg f n vi he Great intheeedr Grimsby in that the Members of that House were inconvenient in their numbers.—(A laugh.) Great Grimsby was an ancient borough, and had a right to victual the fleet in time of war. It was a port which had excavated a large basin.— (Laughter.) He had not heard any borough defended in a similar manner.—(Laughter renewed.) lie would riot be put down by laughter.—(Hear.) It was a port which had yielded in custom-house duties, from the 6th of June, 1830, to the sth of June, 1831, 30,5971. 159. 4d.— (Great laughter.) When he told the Hon. Committee that it had doubled its population in the interval between 1811 and 1821, and that it had increased more than a thousand souls in the interval between 1821 and 1831, he thought that he had laid strong grounds for not dis franchising this borough. He would venture to prophecy that it would double its population in the interval between 1831 and 1811. With these observations he would leave the borough of Grimsby in the hands of the Committee. Mr. SIBTHORPE could not let this borough go into the merciless hands of the Committee, without bearing his testimony to its respectability and independence. lie coded on the lion. Members for Wareham and Bletchingly, who had formerly represented this borough, to state whether they had not repeatedly addressed the electors of Grimsby as free awl independent electors. At present Grimsby was any thing but a nomination borough, but it it were only to return one Member, a great Whig Lord • in that neighbourhood, who possessed 100 acres where other gentlemen of the district only possessed a road, would un doubtedly become its patron, and it would sick iota the condition of a nomination borough, which hitherto it had never been. He would join his Hon. and Gallant Friend, the Member for the borough, in dividing the Committee against its disfranchisement. Mr. A. TREVOR rose to enter his solemn and decided protest against this universal devastation of boroughs. (The lion. Member repeated this declaration several times, amidst great snapping of fingers, and some tittering from the side galleries.) Mr. CRESSET PELHANI said a few words in favour of this condemned borough. The course of spoliation which the House was pursuing would terminate in the ruin of the Constitution. Sir J. M. DOYLE—If we go on in this way from night to night during this hot weather, some of us making► and others of us listening, to speeches, which have been repeated over and over again, and almost without varia tion, during the course of the present session, I am sure that it will terminate in the ruin of the constitution of ug all.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) The question was then put and carried, that the boroughs of Great Grimsby stand part of schedule B. The CHAIRMAN was going to put the question on the next borough, when several Members of the Opposition raised the cry of " adjourn." The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proposed that the Committee should proceed that evening as fir as Guildford.—(Cries of " No, adjourn.") If any gentle men were inclined to object to proceeding further, he eer tainly would not persist in his proposition. He thought, however, that they might proceed to take one or two boroughs, to which no opposition was expected, and that afterwards the Chairman might report progress, and ask leave to sit again to-morrow.—(Cries of "Adjourn.") The CHAIRMAN then put the question of adjournment• Colonel DAVIES imediately rose to oppose the ad' journtnent at that hour. Though he knew that the gen tlemen opposite would disclaim all disposition to delay unnecessarily the progress of this Bill, still he roust aiY that if they persisted in pursuing the same career that night which they had pursued previously, he should give but very little credit to their disclaimer.—(Hear, hear.) He must also tell the Members of his Majesty's Govern' relent that if they allowed themselves to he beaten every night on this question of adjournment, and if they allowed gentlemen holding situations under them to make lovg speeches in reply to arguments which had been advanced and refuted till they had become as rotten as the borough' which they were used to defend, they must not expect t° escape the censure of the country.—(Cheers.) He WO sorry to say that there was too great a disposition to speechify on this Bill on the part of the Governmeut. --- The country felt this, and was desirous to see snore of action and less oratory on the part of the Ministers.-- - (Outcry.) He was not to be put down by clamour—b e was as independent as any of the Members opposite—(th e , Gallant Officer spoke from the Ministerial benches)—a" le " possessed what th e y did not,- 1 lar ge c o n s tituency. i therefore claimed, in their name and in his own, the right to be heard on this subject. He would tell Ministers fairly that if they did not wish to be considered as parties to the delay of which the country was hourly complainirig,' and if they did no t w i s h t o b e d enounce d as l u k e warm a"' vocates of Reform, they must adopt a very different system towards the opposition from that which they had hitherto pursued.—(Cheers.) Mr. CHOKER felt himself bound, in fairness to th e Noble Lord to state, that his Lordship had conducted liiu° self on this occasion with that propriety of demeanour t° Lis opponents which distinguished him upon all other a' casions. He thought they ought not to proceed furthe r that night, as it would be inconvenient to break throng' the arrangement which they had all tacitly agreed to; Besides, he knew that several friends of his who wished ° take port in the discussion, had gone away, relying th at the arrangement to which h e h a d a ll u d e d wou ld he OW fully observed by both parties. Lord PORCHESTER prof-sted against the violence ° f language used by the Hon. and Gallant Member for W ( i ' r ; tester, and said such dictati on as h e h a d ven t ure d to eine' ought nut to be permitted for an instant.—(Cheers.) Mr. PUSEY would have yielded to the suggestion ° the Chancellor of the Exchequer, anti would have P P ; ceeded with the schedule as far as Guildford hail it n° been for an observation which had fallen from the 1 1°°; and Gtflant Member for Worcester. That Hon. Meru be had rebuked the Chancellor of the Exchequer for alloWi e ‘, the King's Attorney-General to make a speech of in n than halt an hour's length in reply to the argument' those who had gone before him.—( Hear.) Was that_ buke calculated to promote or to st.fle free discussion ? t Sir R. INGLIS called upon the Hon. and Ga ll3° ,. Member for Worcester to state whether the allusion Which he (Colonel Davies) had just made to Members n oder Government delivering long sp eec hes, was not intended" apply to the King's Attorney-General 2—( Hear.) Colonel DAVIES—What is it to the lion. and Learn s I , Member for the University of Oxford whether I did net the King's Attorney-General or not ? I protest his right to put such a question either to me or any oth if Member. It I did mean the Attorney-General, I did; I did not, what right has he to ask me whom I did nl o° o Mr. SIBTHORPE said, that the lion. and Gall"it Member for 'Worcester had charged him and his fri enu o with unnecessary delay. Now he charged the Hon• ° i d Gallant Member with unnecessat y haste. The Hon. a Gallant Member might rest assured that the countr y would blame him, if he attempted to put down the . 14 ! t 0 1 ; Reformers at the very moment that they were prepittlep to justify themselves against the attacks that had h e o made upon them. If the Hon. and Gallant Member she o ,e lecture from that time to Christmas, he would not W a y him (Mr. Sibthorpe) follow his advice, especially whil' t (Colonel Davies) was sitting on the Ministerial Belicht' —( Hear, hear.) 1 3 The CHAIRMAN then put th e ques ti o n that he al. ° ;hl report progress. Many cried " No; divide, divide." gallery was cleared for a division, but none, we belie ° , took place. On our return we found the CHastcgLi've of the EXCHEQUER. addressing the Committee, and :TO tne g ndin an adjournment. This proposition obtained the consent of the Comnlitte; and the Chairman was ordered to report progress, 3" J ask le the to sit again to-morrow. i d The other orders of the slay were then disposed of, the House adjourned at Two o'clock in the naorning• On Tuesd a y a numerous meeting of visiting Magistrates of Horsernonger-lane gaol took P 1.' :1 4 in their room, in the above prison, for the pure e w t investigating a charge preferred by Mr. WALTE 80 1 ,0 the Rev. RoliEtor TAvLon, of attempting to stab, an d ' i v of clandestinely procuring spirituous liquor to be bO ti t.ii s into the g a ol. The parti cu l ars of th e transaction 11 4 , already been made public. The Magistrates, aft,r $ I pf tient investigation into the whole of the circumstas eeg ed the ea,e, resolved that from henceforth those indulg e 'ia granted to the defendant should cease, and instead Of ti e l i t ' permitted to see his friends for four hours in each d"Y:i to should be restricted to two hours; and only be allowed converse with them at the di s t ance o f s i x y ar d s instes::td two as formerly, and that in other respects he be tre d in a similar manner to those persons confined in the gaol for misdemeantairs. ceived yesterday by the Mediterranean steam-pac ket? ti „ti Accounts from Cadiz of tile 16th instant/ roc:: firm what has been before stated of its being the irrte B t" of tire Spanish Government to put an end abroP tl i t rl the freedom of that port, established by its own ol dfl o if' act about a year ago. On the faith of that o' e t i ii.ll' nu merous British merchants have broken up o t %bil meats in Gibraltar and transferred them to Cadiz, sojef o thers have gone from England and settled there, tll, the same guarantee, for the purpose of participatiog 3"1, advantages presumed likely to result from its freedy:tl'i trade. There is not much to be said, perhap' , 11) ,, C e ° discretion of those merchants who placed their relianitil' the permanence of any arrangement of Spanish fl c.o ll ' o j eTecially for those who formed, for the first time, 3er, nexiou with th e P e ninsula. In the instance, bow e ev „,e' l ; the Gibraltar ho u , es , it b e came almost a mat ter o f 1 sity to resort t o C a diz, on the establishment of its 6004: of trade, as that broke up in a great measure the it eo te' . thus affording the only means of remedying the nience ; and i n any case all concerned have jo t b i le‘fo of compl a int against the Spanish Government, if th i e in which they confided shall be suddenly rever Fc ' to vie proper notice, seems to be an act of ' lt t `i e ,e' t ,i gratuitous injustice, and it is a:so in opposition to or , l ee , ginal decree. So far from its having been give ' ve 11 0 present occasion, the proceedings appear to 1. 0 ,,,0 1 4 hurried on, as if for the express purpose of tah in g surprise. The Royal order for putting an 01' (Os rt four days, to the freedom of trade in Cadiz , ha u arrived there at the date of CH se accounts, and 04 ' 0 o,i was understood, he published, unless the inercho° w e re using all their ex e rti o ns to gain further l•ftltie: able, by their remonstrances, to get it post-I)o'4j, i f l presses for that purpose had been sent off to Maa r , the terms of the original decree, it was d,clare;b(frAt, notice of twelve mo n ths should given lo fore W I 0 1 tr ing the freedom of trade granted to Cad i z lot it. '''' ° t ot accounts, which w e have seen since the above sv„refeof ten, express a h o p e that means would Ica found V,rdtb the issuing of tl e dee ee, or at least to ob•ain t he notice originally sti,ndated fut.— m Ties. SPi