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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-("YESTERDAY.) SUPPLY. On the vote for 100,0001. for civil contingencies, Sir F. BARING objected to the vote, and proposed its reduction to 90,0001. He did not mean to say that 100,0001. was a large or unreasonable sum for acciden tal expenses, but his object was to know what was the actual sum at the disposal of the Government, and what bad already been expended in the shape of advances. The repayment of sums advanced by the Government in pre vious years ought to be enough to pay the expenditure of the present year. It had been a regular system to run one year into another, till the various surpluses now in the exchequer amounted to 100,0001. He would read to the house the votes of expenditure for the last six years ; there were votes for 100,0001. in each year. In 1850.51 the vote had been for somewhat above 61,0001., iu 1851- 52 the votes for 100,0001. began and continued regu larly, while the expenditure in 1851-52 was 89,670/. ; in:1852-53 it was 79,525/. ; in 1853-54 it was a little above 70,000/. ; and in 1855-56 it was 73,118/. So that at.the 31st of March last there was above 100,000/. on two or three items similar to that for the Lancaster gun it would be impolitic for him to include. Mr. LLOYD DAVIES repeated his question relative to, Mr. Phillimore, and asked if the payment was made w ith the sanction of the Government Mr. WILSON said he was unabie to answer the lastion. The order of payment came in proper form at id in due course, and the money was paid. Mr. GLADSTONE said there could be no doubt but tb:►t it was a dangerous practice to adopt, employing rtu imbers of the house for such services as that alluded to He (Mr. Gladstone) was partially to blame for it, a• ed it was in consequence of the peculiar nature of the b ill that Mr. Phillimore was applied to draw it. It was (Ally to find lawyers capable of drawing ordinary bills, but it was very difficult to find those who could draw such a bill as the one referred to, and Mr. Phillimore possessing the requisite ability he was solicited to do it, and it was done under the superintendence of the So- licitor-General. The amendment was then withdrawn, and the vote was agreed to. THE VOTE FOR EDUCATION. Sir G. GREY then rose to move the vote for public education in Great Britain. The right hon. gentleman said that the total estimate for this purpose for the pre- sent year was 451,213/., of which 200,0001. had already been voted, and he now asked for the balance 251,2131. this account in the hands of the exchequer. It was clear, therefore, that they did not require the vote of 100,0001. He had proposed to reduce the vote by-70,0001. but his righthon. friend had it appeared now transferred :60,0001. to another account. He himself, how-ever, still thought that there was 10,0001. asked for ire; the vote more than was sufficient. It was true there were the il luminations, but the expense of them would not amount to 50,0001., and Os public would still have 130,0001. in hand to meet contingent expenses. He feared that the system of lending had gone on to a considerable extent. It was with departments as it was with young gentle men, if you dealt too liberally with them they were sure to exceed their allowance. They had carried the sys tem of advances to too great an extent. In the votes for the last 6 years they had voted 600,000/ , and ex pended 462,0001., so that there ought to be 137,0001. in the Treasury, but he did not believe that there was any such sum there ; in fact, there was not above 100,0001. there, and the residue had found its way out of the Exchequer in the shape of advances. He thought be sides that the vote ought to appear in some other shape. They had not got the balance in the Exchequer or the Pay-office, of the sums loaned out, and with out these ingredients it was impossible to come to a sa tisfactory conclusion. They might vote what they pleased but they should know eccurately what was in hand, and what was loaned out to different departments. Mr. WILSON concurred in most of the opinions just given by the righthon. gentleman ; hutit would be found that for years the tendency of the Treasury had been to reduce the votes and the charges upon them. He agreed that the shape in which they should be put ought to be strictly intelligible. But great care had been lately taken with the vote, and if the hon. gentleman would refer back to the time when he was Chancellor of the Exche quer, he would see that the sums asked for were much larger—equal usually to 200,0001. It was necessary in such cases to take larger sums than those actually known to be wanted. He would explain the object of some of the votes. There might be experiments to be made—as in the case of the Lancaster gun. The Ordnance applies to the Treasury, no vote having been taken from Parliament, and it being impossible to proceed without money. It was in this way that the money was loaned. There were two courts of law that would cost no less than 79,0001. In the County Courts Act, the courts were supposed to be self-supporting---it was intended that the judges' fees should be paid out of fees, but the fees fell short, and on that score; it was necessary to advance above 20,0001. In the same way, for Courts of Chancery in Ireland, there had been advances to the extent of 28,0001. The amount of these advances was so fluctuating and uncer tain that it rendered a large sum necessary. The only instance in which a-large sum had been repaid was, 60,0001. bad been repaid, and, in consequence, the vote had been reduced by that amount. At present, in the cash account of the last ten years only 1,9001. had been accounted for. No advances had been made except for meeting contingencies totally unexpected, and which could not be provided for when the demands were of so fluctuating a character. There would not be a balance such as the right hon. gentleman supposed. He, himself proposed, however, in future, that at the end of the year there should be an account which should show the actual sum advanced, the advance repaid, and when it was not proper to state the occasion of the ad vance, the name should be stated of th e d e p ar t men t t o which it was issued. Mr. 'WILLIAMS said that the right hen. gentleman seemed to think the present Government not to blame, but be wished to knew who was to blame. Mr. WILSON said that he had, only said that the ac counts were now perfectly clear at present. This he con tended they were, while from 1830 to 1840 they had been so confused that there was nothing to be made of them. Mr. WILLIAMS said that some. one was to blame at any rate. The vote seemed to he taken for the mere purpose of lending money. The Government had abused this fund, and it would not do to place confidence in them to so large an amount. Many of the items charged oUght to have had the separate sanction of that house. Therrewere others which demanded explanation, of which if he took them, collectively he could get no answer ; 'and if singly, he should be taking up too much of the time of the house. The very first item was for settling boundary` disputes between Turkey and Persia. 'This had been going on for ten years ; he should be glad to know when it was to cease. The commissioner had been that distinguished officer General Williams, but now he was removed, and who was to be his successer s Owler items were for the travelling expenses of official per sonages, which were far higher than necessary. They were conveyed in ships of war, when they might have been conveyed in merchant ships at far less cost. There was a charge for inquiry into our cathedrals above 800/. ; why was this not charged to the cathedral re• venue?. There was 17,0001. for the Oxford University commission ; now the revenues of the university was above 150,0001., and this was at object of great imp, - r tance to them. The sums so expended ought to have been--put down to that account. Capt. STUART called attention to the sum of 5,0001. from the Attorney-General relative to the Irish charities. KINNAIRD said that from the explanation given by Mr. Wilson with regard to the experiments re lative to the Lancaster gun, it appeared these civil con tingencies emtraced the payments of sums of moneys for departments which the house would never sanction under the charges of the proper departments. It wax high time for the hoese to look closer after the expendi ture of the country, and prevent such practices for the future, and obtain a promise from the Secretary of the Treasury that this state of things should be remedied. Mr. SPOONER asked if any money had been granted under civil continaencies and experiments in Belgiuni that ought to have been charged to the Ordnance ? And if so, for what purpose were those experiments, and what was the amount of the sum advanced ! Mr. BLACKBURN asked for an explanation of 100 guineas paid to Mr. Peillienore for drawing the Oxford University Reform Bill, and of the payment of 48/. 163. 41. expense on Lord Panmure's appointment as Master- General to the Ordnance, and of DM 14s. expense on the appointment of the Duke of Argyll as Postmaster- General ; and also of 1,5001. paid to Mr. Plimket, se cond Commissioner in Bankruptcy in Ireland. He thought estimates formed on an average of years might be taken for the sums claresed as civil contingencies. Mr. WILSON said 4r.'PhilliMore'e change was paid by the Treasury at the - request of the Home-office for drawing the bill referred to. With regard to the charges for Lord Panmure and the Duke of Argyll, it was a rule for any gentleman a,cceptng office in the Government requiring a patent for him to pay the expenses of the patent, but that when he was teaosferred from one office to another the expense of the patent was paid by the acintry. '''l,soo/. per annum was paid out of this fund to the second Commiasioner in- Bankisaptcy• in Ireland beeinse the act 4Pailiament did riot provide how he was to bw paid, but it would be 'shrortly remedied, and would ,not again appear in title term. The balances spoken of were not in the hands of any of the ofilials conneoted with the •Treasury, but entirely with the Chancellor of the Exchequer. No payrnentlad been made of sending workmen to:Belgium on account of the Ordnance. There was no truth in the statement of men - having been sent. there, nor had any application been • made for that purpose. The expense of the experiments relative to the Lancaster 'gun °avid not have firmed one ' of the Ordnance eatinsatee, and it being a secret service it would have been unwise of the Government to have come to the house - and asked for a specific vote for it eforeby to doing-the whole of the secret must have been ".divulged, and the consequence would have been that Mr. Lancaster would have lost his patent and the Cow-. try-suffered much injury in consequence. The amount• would -be repaid by the Ordnance,_ and it was one of those advances to which he had -alltded Many'ef 'the other advances th a t - had been madeesuch as to the Canrt of Chancery, the county--everts, i etc., would be repaid, which would aceeeee e ei , ttLin the . balaece lludede °11 " fa that ought to rm service outfits for those connected" with tliesll lA e . n ter ded xi t r ie n e o b estimate i could be formed, because it de and, the same applied g t e o s t t n at tl w l: " mane dElfing the year, would be the last w. Anee tosovernors of colonies. Tie s time the expenses of cormeissiene would be chareelto this t 'fund, as an estimate had been, taken for the piwbable amount required for that purpose for the present year. Sir F. BARING said be was not satisfied with the explanations that bad been given by the Secretary the Treasury. 'He still felt convinced 75,0001. would 1, d O , Kiffitient, and' when they remembered the larg e , ems that were advanced to the variorts departments, thought for the future a much smaller sum than he h ad named should be voted. If the Secretary to the Trea sury would give the house a detailed statement of the accoente, whfcli he Said were so satisfactory, he would not press his amendment. Mr. LLOYD DAVIE 3 asked if tbeloogui nem! paid to Mr. Phillimore was paid to him for services rendered to the Governinent during - the period he- had been a lum bar of th e h o use (Hear, bear) It was a question of great importance, and one affecting the chareca r of a member of that liou , e. - (fTear, hear.) elite MOWBRAY asked the Secretary of the Tree. surer ta tate, th e precise expense of the fireworks. If the estimate-of 8,0001., given by the Chincellor of the Exchequer,- would cover nll, or only the cost of the erection in the Park and the transit of the fireworks frem Woolwich. Mr. WILSON was unable to give an answer to the last question—. H e presumed the extra expense would be for extraneous matters required beyond what was usual for. the departments which had anythine, to do with it. With r egard to Mr. Phillinrre, that learned gentleman was a me mber of the house when the payment referred to was made to him. (Hear, hear.) In a few days he (Mr. Wiliwin) would lay the statement required by the right hon. baronet the member for Portsmouth on the table of the house, not only including the advances met payments, but also showing the exact balance riCw in the hand's of thtrehancellor of the Ezeheouer. There were As the amountrequired for the present year wag 54,000/. mare than for the preceding year, and much more than that over previous years, and as there was a proposal to be made by an hon. member to reduce the amount of the vote, he thought it right to call the attention of the com mittee to the past expenditure on account of education, by the appropriation of the funds placed from time to time at the dispo4al of the Committee of C3uncil on Education by Parliament, and particularly to advert to those heads of the estimate under which the in crease for the present year would take place. He was the more desirous of doing this, because he was anxious to remove what he feared was the I❑ 1850 In 1851 In 1352 In P 53 In 1851 In 1355 The number of pupil teachers in the same years were— In 1850 In 1851 In 1852 In 1853 In 1854 In 1855 Showing a rapidly progressive increase in every year. But many of the pupil teachers comprised in the large numbers of the last two or three years were included in the numbers of previous years, the reason being thic, many of them spent a considerable time in a state of of pupilage. The number of Queen's scholars was, in each year, as follows : • In 1850 • In 1851 In 1852 In 1853 In 1854 In 1855 The students in the training schools examined and passed in the same period were : In 1850 In 1.51 Id 1852 .111 1853 In 1854 In 1855 The numb:•r of certificated masters and mistresses re• ceiving a.sistauce from the grants was— In 1850 In 1851 In 1852 In 1853 ...... In 1854 ... . . 2:336 sistant teachers there was an increase of 1,0001. There was'also a new grant for " industrial schools," to which he proposed appropriating the sum of 10,0001., as well as some slight increase under the heads of "establish ment" and " inspection," occasioned by the great amount of business which now devolved upon the committee and the necessary augmentation of the number of in spectors. With regard to the grant for pupil teachers, there was reason to hope, from the paper moved for by the hon. member for Sheffield (Mr. Hadfield), and pre sented to the house on the 18th of June, 1855 (Parlia mentary Paper No. 321), that the great body of these pupil teachers found their way into schools either as teachers, or masters, or mistresses, and that they thus not only derived important advantages themselves from the assistance they obtained from Parliamentary grants as pupil teachers, but that they became most important auxiliaries in diffusing a better education than had hitherto been generally extended to the country, owing to their superior qualifications as instructors. The in crease in the grant to schoolmasters, schoolmistresses, and assistant teachers, was owing to the increased num ber of persons who had qualified themselves under the existing minutes of council to receive the assistance which was afforded them upon their attaining profi ciency. The increase of 28,000/. for capitation grants in England and Wales was thus explained in the note ap pended to the estimate : " 4. The capitation grants, averaging 4s. 6d. per annum upon each child who has attended school for 176 days dur ing the year preceding inspection, have been paid in schools throughout the rural districts, and in the smaller unincor porated towns, since lst January, 1854. The amount paid in 1e54 was 5,9571. on 22,801 children, being 33 per cent. ' of the children attending the same schools ;in 1855, the amount paid was 10,1251. on 36,929 children, being :36 per cent. of the children attending the same schools. " The capitation grants are now to be extended to the parts of the country hitherto excluded from them, and the increased estimate is framed on the calculation that the expenditure would have risen to 15,0001., under the exist ing regulations ; that the amount of the population hitherto excluded is almost exactlyequal to that which has hitherto enjoyed the grants; and, lastly, that the attendance at school in towns is much less liable to interruption than in the country, so that the proportion of children on whom the grant is allowed may be expected to be greater." It would be seen the increase arose from the extension of these grants, in accordance with what appeared to be the general opinion of the house last year, from the rural dis tricts and smaller towns to which they were formerly con fined to other parts of the country which had not hitherto received them ; but one qualificationasto those capitation grants, and the committee, no doubt, would consider it a proper and necessary qualification, was that although they were now extended irrespective of the peculiar circum stances of the place previously held to be entitled to them—namely, the whole of the country, the condi tion was still retained that they were to be given t> those schools only in which there was either a certificated Inass ter or mistress, or a master or mistress who had been "registered," which implied a lower degree of qualifica tio❑ than that of certificated master or mistress, but gave some guarantee or assurance that the master or mis tress so registered was something above the ordinary level, and had qualified themselves to give sound and useful instruction in an efficient manner in the schools in which they were placed. The new grant of 10,0001. to industrial schools was proposed in accordance with a recent minute of the Committee of Council on Education, which had been laid upon the table of the house. Its object was to improve the character and quality of edu cation given in three schools, by holding out encourage ment to efficient (that was certificated) masters and mis tresses. Aid would also be given to those schools in the shape of grants towards the payment of rent (one-half), the purchase of tools or raw materials for labour (one third), and a capitation fee of 10s. for every scholar under industrial instruction. Reformatories would be eligible to participate in the advantages which those grants held out to other industrial schools in respect of schoolmas ters. In other respects they would be subjected to the general rule which had hitherto guided the Committee of Council on Education in reference to all schools except training schools—namely, that of withholding grants for providing board and lodging in those schools ; for it was obvious that if these grants were applied to such a pur pose, it would be a diversion of the public money which Parliament had never contemplated or intended. In his opinion permission ought to be given to make provision for the establishment of reformatory institutions out of . the county and borough rates. In the last volume of the mi nutes of council there was a detailed account of the pre vious year's expenditure; and if hon. gentlemen wished to see how the money voted by Parliament for that period had seen spent, by referring to it they would do so more satisfactorily to themselves than by any statement which he could make. Unless, therefore, any further ex planation was required than was to be found there, he felt that he should be improperly occupying► the time of the committee by detaining them longer. He hoped, however, that after these observations the hon. gentleman who had given notice of a motion to reduce the vote to last year's amount would see the propriety of net persisting in it, and be of opinion that it was not expedient to arrest the liberality of Parliament, and thus debar the Committee of Council on Education from making the capitation grant to industrial schools, which war the principal item of increase in the estimate. (Hear.) He (Sir G. Grey) therefore trusted that the house, looking at the result which had been obtained from these grants, would not withhold on that occasion the means of assisting volun• 1 tary efforts in the promotion of education. That was the object of the vote. Sir J. PAKINGTON said it was hardly necessary to say that ho did not intend to offer any opposition to the proposition of the right honourable gentleman. He concurred in all the changes which had been made by the Government in the items of the grant, and the extension which they had given to it. On the con trary, he thanked the Government for what they had done on both these points. But after what had taken place in the house, and from what he had heard with respect to the impression which those proceedings had produced in the country, ho felt that the result of the recent debates on education in that house had produced a great feeling of impression which prevailed in some quarters that because there were difficulties in establishing throughout the country a general system of combined education, therefore little had been done by parliamen tary or state aid in promoting popular education. What ever opinions they might entertain as to the expediency of a general system of education, however much many hon. members might regret the failure of the repeated attempts made on both sides of the house to establish such a system of general education, it would be wrong, he thought, if they did not acknowledge that, those attempts ' having failed, very important and, in his opinion, very be neficial results, had been attained by means of the grants of Parliament placed at the disposal of the Committee of Council, and appropriated by that committee in accord. ance with the minutes laid before Parliament upon the subject. Since the year 1839 a sum rather exceeding 2,000,000/. had been placed by annual grants in the hands of the Committee of Council for promoting popular educa tion ; and that sum bad been expended in aid of those voluntary efforts to which allusion bad been repeatedly and justly made in previous debates in this house on education—voluntary efforts which could not be too highly estimated or commended, but which, be believed, bad failed to accomplish all the objscts which were to he desired from such effort., and would have failed to a far greater degree without the assi dance of the grant which Parliament had made with much liberality in support of those efforts. The amount placed annually at the dis posal of the Committee of Council began with 30,0001. in the year 1839, increasing by small augmentations for the first ten years, but the whole amount voted was never actually expended, in eonsequence of the conditions at tached to the grants not being always complied with ; so that at the end of that period there was a balance re maining in the hands of the committee. But from that time forward the reverse had been the case, and the expenditure had annually exceeded the amount placed by Parliament at the disposal of the committee, the excess being provided fur out of the unappropriated balances applicable to the same object, and sanc tioned by Parliament during the preceding year. The in ference they might draw from that fact was, that the discussions which had taken place from time to time in that house, either upon motions or annual estimates, had given a great impulse to the efforts which had been made to promote popular education, and there had been a growing and rapidly-increasing appreciation of the benefits derived from those parliamentary grants in aid of voluntary efforts. The first vote in 1839 was, as he had observed, 30,0001.; last year, 396,9211.; and this year, 451,2131., of which 200,0001. had already been taken. With regard to the expenditure, under the different heads nhich embraced the far greater portion of that expendi ture, he hold i❑ his hand a comparative table for the last six years, showing what the expenditure had been in each of those years. Those heads comprised school build ings, pupil teachers, Queen's scholars, students in train ing schools, certificated masters and mistresses, and in spectors. The comparative table also 'showed the number of schools inspected in each of those years, the number of children present at the examination to which the schools were subjected, and the per-tentage in each year of children above 10 years of age. These six years began with the year 1850 and ended with 1855. In the year 1850 the amount expendei was in round figures 123,0001. In 1851 £164,000 In 1852 189,000 In 1853... 2 40,000 In 1854 3'26,000 In 1855 369,000 It would be observed that the expenditure last year was le.e than the amount which had been voted by Parlia ment; but the committee were pledged to make grants under certain circumstances, which he believed would fully exhaust the money voted, and placed oy Parliament in their hands. The number of school buildings erected, enlarged, or improved, out of the grants, in each year was— In 18T:5 The number of inspectors had also increased in conse quence of the increase of business, and the larger num ber of schools requiring inspection. They were— In 1850 In 1851 In 1852 In 1853 In 1854 In 1855 The number of schools under separate teachers, in spected in each of those years was— In 1850 In 1851 In 1852 In 1853 In 1854 In 1355 alarm and distrust as to the intentions and feelings of the house ou the subject of education. After recapitulating in some detail the result and main features of the debates which took place on Lord J. Russell's resolutions, the right hou. gentleman said after the division by which the first resolution of the noble lord's was negatived by a majority of 1.‘./2, he mid that it could not be a matter of sur prise that the friends of education out of doors felt some what perplexed at the proceedings of the house. He htlievol the feeling out of doors was that the house, by that great majority, was adverse to the extension of public education in the country. (No, no.) He did not think so himself. He believed that all which that division meant was that that great majority was unfavour able to the plan of the noble lord. He was himself in favour of the principles of those resolutions, though there were parts of the plan from which ho differed. Although he was him: el; in favour of a compulsory rate, he; thought the noble lord was premature in that proposal. he; that plan embraced an attack upon a great number of charities, and he thought that the in .jority against the plan was very much swollen by those who wore alarmed at this part of the plan. Another part of the plan to which objection was taken was the intervention of the quarter Eessions in the levying of the educational rate. Looking at these facts he thought he was justilied in saying that the majority against the noble lord's plan showed not that the home was opposed to the extension of education in the country, but merely to the plan intro luced by the noble lord. Adverting to the speech of Mr. Gladstone during the debate in question, he read from it a passage of great eloquence, in which the right hon. gentleman expressed his preference for a system of voluntary education with material assistance from the State, to a general system of national education, which he thought likely to mid in " hard irreligion ;" and he was proceeding to examine it when- Mr. EWART rose and called him to order, on the ground that it was against order to refer to past debates in the same session of Parliament. The CHAIRMAN explained that this rule did not apply to proceedings in committee of the whole house. Sir J. PAKINQTON said that ho had not taken the course which he had pursued without ascertaining that it 's ftfry br - was free from objection on the grounds which had been ad verted to. He thought that they were justified in saying that the state of great masses of the country, from want of education was such, that if you looked at the population in our gaols and workhouses, you would find thousands who did not know the name of the Saviour or of God, and who were entirely unacquainted with the idea of religion. Ho did not know for himself how we could have a state of things more fatal to religion, than that "hard irreligion" which—to quote the right hon. gentleman's words —wad now prevailing in England, and the metropolis particu larly. Could we then rely for its re►noval on the 300,0001. or 500,0001. annually voted by Parliament in aid of the voluntary system, to meet the educational requirements of the day ? His answer was in the negative. His hon. friend the member for Dudley had said that he trusted too much to gaol and prison statistics to support his views. It was, however, a great injustice to say that he relied mainly on gaol statistics; but, on the other hand, he thought that any one would take a very imperfect view of the subject The children present at the examinations were— who excluded from his consideration the general statistics In 1850 214,873 with respect to gaols and workhouses. Why was there . In 1851 256,e83 such a large gaol and pauper class at present? Was it true In 185 9 . - In 1853 360,777 house population, who, from want of a better training and In 1854 473,214 a more sound and liberal policy on this question, were In 1865 . 569,076 being trained and educated to end their days in gaols and The petecentage of children at the Pcho o 1 s , above ten workhouses ? He had only the other day met with Mr. Aubin, the head-master of the Great Metropelitan District years of age, had not materially advanced ; on the con• Workhouse school at Annerly. He told him that last teary, be was sorry to say that it had slightly decreased. year the admissions to that school were upwards of 1,00. It was- . Tho children admitted ranged from an early age to four- In 1850 41 0 • 37.17 teen ; the average being about nine or ten. Of these 70 or. In 1851 36.75 80 per cent, came in in a state of the most perfect igno- Ia 1852 In 1853 • 36.09 Tuffnell, the workhouse school intimater, would also be In 1854 ' In 1855 33.44, those of Mr. Anbin. He said that he thought it fair to The number of inspectors he bad given comprised those say that 73 per cent. of the lower classes of Loudon were in whO w ere termed her Majesty's inspectors of schools, act- a state of utter ignorance. Again, Mr. Cook, another IN' nhPr the direction and authority of the Committee metropolitan inspector of schools, said that if we wanted 01 Council on Education, and was exclusive of five the lower classes in the metropolis to be decently oda vcrkhoose school inspectors. Now, these figures, sup- catod, we must provide school accommodation to a P i:ll l: nte , h o e , the thought,ndva advantages I satisfactory derived from n a i n d t be encouraging grants, netgreater extent than at provide. or than mere voluntar Parliamentaryele efforts were likely to provide. In the face of those to which th b e' y facts, he asked what became of the statements of his only ra in the increase of the school heilaingF4, right honourable friend tho member for the Univer gments were at first almost exclusively li schools were erectaendsof mired, and sity of Oxford, that we might trust to the combination of which grants a vast number of voluntary efforts with material assistance from the State, or improved, but still more in reis- The persons upon whom in the course of his argument he jog the qualifications nd and number of masters and mis- had relied were chaplains of workhouses and gaols, clergy tresees in schools intended of expenditureP ed he for the education of the great men with parochial charges, all of . whom pressed their de t a t n h d e s c o o f un th try. Timeet the betty of the people through out increased and increasin g a w n a: t : s e upon ss tl o le f rr a e tt n e t n le t t i n o e n n o w f h P n l e rli c a l i a Len s t. wer l o 'h m er o e ,t w n as ro. a e l n so t d de ;x f° c r ee n d e e w d hbeyasd4B,oool. r t e h e e en t ra y e t a h r , 14 the grant for g year, they he meant her Majesty's inspeCtors who visited through -1,1 i l i , I N, p t o r o p p r o o s v e i took last place were e country, who were paid by the State in order that might inquire into ere important matter. All these The heads under which the increase chiefly the following :—First, the estimate for ‘grant . s to parties told the same story. One might prefer one system, and one another, but there had been no difference iu the gratuities tendency of their reports. All tended to the same point, pay the annual stipends of pupil teachere, an d e 4 instructing yiz., that extended means of education were absolutely ne tts the echeolmasters and schooltnistre ss • them," was increased from 145,000/. to 15e,000/., a dif• c.essary and must be provided. .What was the evidence, ference of 10,0001. this year over the last. The estimate and what was the opposition to allthese statements? What for capitation grants is England and Wales was in. dill they }star on these strangs facts? Theories and opiaions, creased from 12, 1 ful tl:% 1 12,0001. to 40,0011., being an , increase of much and very striking eloquence ; but it there was one Dory. But th r r main thing that education did not at present stand in need of it 28,0001. "For grants in augmentation of the gaieties to 1 svz,s eloquence. Two things were wanted—first, an im schoolmasters and schoolmistresses, who have obtained, t proved machinery • and the second, money. Inspectors upon examination, certificates of merit, and whose schools have been favourably reported on he her Majesty's in- ) t pia m in t ted, and the experiment had ierov e ed u s i o at eu t cce i ss . - specior," the estimate last year wax 47,000/. ; this year, ey e" ft 'l r `he child u t il e ° lzies linth:_anhtouwsesswrnouolnd 1 g 57,0001., or an increase of 10,0001. For grants to as. educated contributed 2d. per week, but 6d, a week was wanted, and the question to be decided was, where the ad ditional 4d. was to come from. The grant annually made by the Government met it to some extent, but it was not sufficient; nor was it sufficient when increased by what they wore able to squeeze out of benevolent people in aid of the object. What, then, were the prospects of the coun try on that great question ? He thought that when the noble lord the member for the City of London introduced his resolutions, there was greater reluctance on the part of her Majesty's Government than there should have been to express an opinion upon the proper course to be adopted. He believed that the noble lord was premature in propos ing a compulsory rate, and he thought the Government were right in not sanctioning it. But there was great ground to find fault. with the Governme n t i n th a t th e y immediately after wards timidly withdrew, under the in fluence of that extraordinary division to which he had al luded, that bill which was introduced into another place by the President of the Council. Now, that bill was not open to the objections urged against the resolutions of the noble lord the member fur the city of London. It was a most important bill, and he believed that if it had passed through that house it would have been productive of the most beneficial consequences. It was a bill that the House of Commons ought to have d *cussed, and he should always feel that the Government had shown unnecessary timidity in withdrawing it. There was another most important bill which the Government had proposed, and which was on the paper for that night—the bill for the appointment of a vice-president for education who should have a seat in that house. That bill he sincerely trusted would receive the sanction of Parliament. At the same time he confessed he should look with the greatest anxiety to the way in which that office was filled up. Assuming that Parliament would sanction that important measure, he hoped the Govern ment would select some gentleman to fill the office who could enter the subject with spirit, and really assist Par liament in devising some effective scheme of education. He trusted that when next session came the Minister, or the vice-president of the education board, would be pre pared to tell the house what course the Government in tended to take. If they had no such announcement he did not say he woald bring in a bill, although he was al most tempted to do so —but he should cer t a i n ly no t l e t th e matter drop. If the evidence he had a d ver t e d t o h a d no t made any deep impression on the house, he would say, let them have it in another shape; let them have a committee of inquiry upon the subject, and examine gentlemen from different parts of the country, who were well acquainted with the question. H o believed th a t w h a t ever m i g ht b e the merits or necessities of the question, that House of Commons, or some House of Commons, would soon be com pelled to attend to it. (Cheers.) Mr. BARNES said he felt bound to oppose the scheme which the right hon. gentleman had propounded. The right hon. baronet had stated that hundreds of thousands of children were uninstructed. That was true, and to avoid such a lamentable state of things he could make almost any , concessions. But ho objected to this grant, because it did not accomplish its object. He did not think that the great want was money, for the monster difficalty in the way of the progress of education was the indifference of parents. ' (The htn. gentleman quoted from the reports of the Rev. H. Moseley and other Government inspectors in support of the proposition-.) He did not believe that if the Go vernment grant were raised tenfold it would have such au effect as the right hon. baronet had pointed out. Instead of removing the difficulties, ho believed the Government grants tended to increase them, by undermining the re sponsibility of parents wherever it existed. He believed that Parliament was going upon the wrong tack, and that sooner or later the steps taken must be retraced, but not till an immense amount of mischief had been done. Again another difficulty, according to the report of the Rev. Mr. Cook and the Rev. Mr. Watkins was, that children were removed from school at so early an age. In one district re ferred to 33 had left school under 12 years of age. How, then, would the extension of the grant remove that diffi culty? If they intended to pay children for coming to school, to show them that it would be more profitable to go to school than to stay at home or pick pockets, then he could understand hew the grant applied to them. Then, again, another difficulty was the hig,h order of instruction given to the teachers, who were raised at great expense to the country to be sent into schools where the member of children under ten years of ago was 97 par cent. The class of persons who really got the benefit of the valuable ser vices of these highly-trained teachers were, according to the Rev. Mr. Cook, the children above 13 years of age, and who were those of artisans and skilled labourers, who could easily afford to pay, and who did not require any assistance. (Hear, hear.) That was a misapplication of the public money, and ho thought ho was justified in calling upon the house to arrest the fur ther extension of this grant. (Herr.) The right hen. baronet who last spoke had referred to a meeting held at Crosby Hall, at which it was asserted that it was the duty of the parents to educate their children. The right hon. baronet said that was true, and that nobody denied it ; but what he (Ur. Berne i) affirmed was, that while Par liament admitted that fact, every step it took was in direct opposition to that very important principle. The hon. gentleman proceeded to show by a variety of statistics in reference to public-houses—dwelling particularly on the town of Preston—that the working classes were able to educate their children without any assistance from the State. Parents had told him that to send a child to school at 24. a week cost them nothing, because they saved the amount in clothing. Well, a pint of beer saved every week would make up the amount of 6d. per week, which the right hon. gentleman said would be sufficient, and he did not think there was a family of a working man throughout the country that could not easily make such is sacrifice. He thought, moreover, that the political econo my of these grants was of a highly dangerous character. If the money voted went only to those who could not edu cate their children, he would not raise his vote against the grant, but that was not the case, and ho must take the matter as he found it. The time would come when the working classes of this country would have more power in that house, and what would they infer from the grants that had been made ? Would they not demand that Go vernment should make grants of money to diminish the price of bread, to improve their filthy habitations, and, indeed, towards the repression of every cause of crime ? (Hear, hear.) With respect to the capitation grant, the minute for which was made in 1).353, he was utterly op posed to it. In this grant 5,0'301. was given one year, 10,0001. last year, and now the house was asked for 40,0001. The matter had never been discussed in that house, and he thought it ought to be fully considered by the full house, when the Speaker was in the chair, before it was extended. Ho contended that these grants were under mining, and would finally destroy, the voluntary principle. As an instance of the way is which the grant would operate, he might refer to a locality with which he was acquainted, where there was a good voluntary school, the prices to which were 6d., Ed., and Is. a week, end now a new Government school was to be established, where the children were to be taught at 3d. a week. The effect would be in that case to destroy the voluntary principle. By this course nothing would be gained to education, while the grant would have to be constantly increased in consequence of the capitation fee. He begged to move as an amendment that the proposed grant be reduced to the same amount as last year. Mr. M. GIBSON said the result of this education goes tion was to put gentlemen at variance who generally agreed with each other, and now be found himself opposed to the hon, gentleman who had just sat down, with whom he usually concurred. He thought the speech of the hon. gentleman went to prove that the whole grant should b 3 withdrawn. Did the hon. gentleman believe that the working classes who paid so mach in taxes and excise would receive with satisfaction the withdrawal of these grants? One of the great disadvantages connected with the grant was, that assistance was voted to places where the neighbourhood was wealthy, and where the voluntary offerings were large, while benighted populous districts, steeped in poverty, wore entirely overlooked. Upon this ground ho, considered that the whole of the minutes in council on education should be revised, a course which he believed would, to a considerable extent, reduce the diffi culty. He had misgivings on the subject of education, but he was not prepared to wait until the community was so en lightened that private schools on the voluntary principle were established through the length and breadth of the land. So that upon that he was content to violate what might be called a sound principle. He had seen many phases passed through on this education. question. When the Whigs first took up the ques tion the Church became alarmed, and the clergy thought that there was danger looming in the distance. After familiarising the public mind with grants for educa tion it was not to be expected that any Ministry would un dertake the responsibility of discoutinaiog those grants. Ent that of which he complained was the manner in which the money was distributed. Why should many schools that were evidently of public advantage be excluded from participation in those grants ? Aid was entirely refused to schools where moral and intellectual instruction was given just because no religion was taught. There must be some religion taught, though what religion was not stated. Complaints had been received upon this subject front all parts of the country. The answer of the Government was, " Teach some religion, and you shall have a share in the grant." To this it was replied that the promoters of the school did all they could to promote religion, and that 90 per cent. of the Sunday scholars came from those schools, but that if ihey attempted to teach any particular religion through their schoolmasters where the parents were of va rious denominations the whole establishments would be broken up. [Toe hon. gentleman then read some extracts from the report of Mr. Morell, an inspectors of schools, in support of his argument.] He could not sea upon what ground the Home Secretary should oppose tho participa tion of these schools in the grants, the bill having been brought in bye member of the Government. The especially e n c s i e a f l u l yl and ort assistance,a Man chesterimportant school, referred to in Mr. Morell's report , was one that equally in London. Glasgow, and many other large towns. Ho had been in Parliament uts nhnnla and there were other for some years, but never yet reme mbere d hearing of a debate respecting the minutes of council which regulated the distribution of Parliamentary grants. He believed there were many old members who had n ever seen them. required p With regard to the required test, that a portion of the Scriptures should be read in the schools every day; he con sidered that the mere reading of a few passages of Scrip ture, without word or comment, wes no security for the maintenance of any particular religion, though it might have the effect of excluding Roman Catholics and many others from the benefit of these schools. He wished to see those establishments upon a broad footing, so th a t a ll her Majesty's subjects could participate in the advantages to be derived. Sir S. NORTMCOTE said he was rejoiced to bear that aid was going to be given to industrial schools, but if ho understood rightly that they were to be supported by rates, he must protest against that doctrine entirely. With ree•ard to the capitation system, as regulated by the minutes of council, and under which these children were required to attend regularly, be thought that though that system might be very applicable to the agrienitural districts, it was not so in the towns whore the parents and consequently the children were of less fixed habits. With regard to the plyment of a penny a week, though it was not a large sum, yet there were many cases in which it would be better not to enforce it. With respect to the masters, he hoped that it would not be forgotten that the highest class of masters were not the best fitted for the lowest class of children; and ho hoped that the test would not be placed too high so as to exclude those moderately educated, but persevering men, who were of the greatest use amongst the ragged schools. Mr. ALCOCK said that if the compulsory rating for education were introduced, be believed that the voluntary system, which had so long and usefully prevailed, would be entirely done away with. The hon. gentleman then alluded to the inequality in the distribution of the public money, and complained that while ss. a week was willingly awarded to the refocused criminals, the Government ap peared to grudge 3s. a year for good, sound, and wholesome education. The hon. gentleman concluded by calling the attention of the committee to the expediency of doubling the present rates of the capitation grants to schools, whether in parishes above or below 5,000 population, and by re ducing the minimum number of days of attendance frons 176 to 100 days a year, in order to be entitled to capitation money ; also increasing the grant to masters and mistresses on account of pupil teachers, from 51. to 1Q .for the first pupil teachers; and of establishing a lower class of certifi cates of merit to teachers, in accordance with the sugges- tion of Archde•tcon Allen. Air. lIENLEY said he could not consent to any re duction of the vote. He wished to urge on the Govern ment that they would take ,some means to reach that de stitute class from which the majority of the criminals came. At present the Government had not turned their attention sufficiently to that class of the population. When the house first agreed to those grants in 1839, it was under stoo l that the widest liberty should be given to all sects, but that there should be a religious face to the system of education. That principle had been adhered to ever since, and he trusted the Government would give the considera tion to the poor children, which was so necessary. Those children had been overlooked, and thus much of the evil which now existed had arisen. The increase of education in the last twenty years it could not be denied had been very great. The increase of Government schools had been very large, and of all others as large ; and therefore he was not without hope that if the Government directed their attention to fill up the gap in the poorer classes, the pre sent enactments would be found sufficient for.all purposes. If they attempted any vielent change, they would for years produce a worse system of education than that which at present existed. Mr. BALL thought those who advocated the grant of the larger sum proposed ought to have met the arguments which had been advanced by the honourable mover of the amendment. The number of existing schools was more than commensurate to the wants of the scholars. The dif ficulty was not to get schools, but to get children to attend them. There was an indifference on the part of the poorer classes to send their children to the schools, and the diffi culty they had to contend with was to overcome that in difference. As far as his experience went it was not the difficulty of getting schools, but scholars. He deprecated _ _ • the extension of any grant of public money for education, as tending to do away with private exertions on the volun• tary principle, and the result, if the system were persisted in, education would be destroyed. These being his views, he should support the amendment. Mr. MILES could assure the honourable gentleman who had just sat down, that in the metropolis the schools were not sufficient for the scholars. Mr. Cook said new schools were required in every part df the metropolis. The same want was felt in different parts of the country. He could have little hope of a general bill on education being adopted, and therefore they must depend upon these grants of the Privy Council. He would therefore press on the Govern ment what he thought the Privy Council ought to do. First of all was the necessity of every effort being made to improve the education of the lower classes; and he pro posed their division into four classes—district schools, pau per schools, ragged schools, and then reformatory schools. The hon. gentleman then referred to Mr. Tufnell's report in reference to the Anerly school, which had been very successfully conducted. He asked Government to take the establishment of district schools into their consideration, and said he knew of one district where there were 43,000 children, of whom 12,370 were workhouse orphan children, and it was desirable those children should be separated from the adults of the workhouse. He next referred to the ragged schools of the metropolis, which were effecting so much for the Arab population of the metropolis, and were worthy the attention of the Committee on Education. All that was wanted in the way of instruction was read ing, writing, and common arithmetic, with Scripture his tory. The next was reformatory schools, and assert pri vate benevolence, which had provided for 1,60 convicted children. Having called the attention of Government to these points, he begged them to consolidate, amend, and extend the results of the Council on Education, and he trusted when they had a minister for eduction in this house they would have a better plan before them, when the house would grant, no doubt readily, means for carry ing it out. • Mr. FOX said the secular schools referred to were not destitute of religious teaching, nor less than those which were said to be based on religious principles. In many instances, he ventured to say, it was superior. Charity had its duty, as well as faith, an! there were many who con sidered that children should not be called on to form their minds oa any particular religion at so early a date as the advocates of the religious system wished. The present educational system wanted strengthening with regard to the indifference of parents towards their children's educa tion, which was lamented by many, and for which they offered no remedy. He supported this vote, believing that ultimately a general tax or local rating would be adopted for education, which would cause parents to feel that inte rest in education that was desired, and send their children to the schools. Education had kept pace with the increase of population, which showed that the machinery in opera tion was not equal to make it so. In 1818 he found there were 2,235,788 children of school age who did not attend schools ; in 1833 there were 2,319,000; And in 1851 they amounted to 2,764,000. It was the old story of the hare and the tortoise, and they could not overtake ignorance with their present machinery. He sympathised with the capitation grant, which he suggested might bo increased by prizes to the children for efficiency in the various branches of education. Tho present system had failed morally as well as numerically, for our gaols were filled not so much by the ignorant as the imperfectly educated. Mr. LIDDELL drew the attention of the house to the salaries of pupil-teachers, particularly in reference to that part of the country with which he was connected, viz., the northern mining districts. The sum paid to pupil-teachers was 101. per annum, which was not sufficient to induce the best boys to remain at school, because boys of 15 years of age could earn there by piece work more than was paid to the agricultural labourers of Dorset and many other coun ties in England. It was therefore necessary that Govern ment should make the salary commensurate with the re muneration of labour generally. The grant was urged by the inspectors of those districts for 1853 and 1851, and he hoped it would be adopted by'tho Government, and an in crease of pay granted to them. Ho asked if the Commit tee of Education had received a memorial from the inhabi tants of the north in reference to it. The supply of pupil teachers there had decreased as the wages of labour had increased. Mr. CROSSLEY—There was machinery and money sufficient to remedy the evils complained of, but they were not properly applied—four-fifths of these sums had gone to wards the schools of the Established Church. The Non conformists concurred in opinion that religion should form the basis of education, but they could not consent to any one particular teaching, and a great injustice was done to them in consequence. He supported the amendment. Sir G. GREY then replied, observing that many of the suggestions that had been made during the debate were well worthy of the attentive consideration of the Privy Council, and he had no doubt that they would receive it. One of the most important suggestions which had been made dur ing the evening was that made by the right hon. member for Oxfordshire that it would be desirable if possible to extend the application of these grants to the schools of the poorest districts. To some extent that was already done. One of the grants that had swelled the present vote was ono to an industrial school. Bat, although it was no doubt desirable to extend the application of the vote to the as sistance of those poorer districts, still it was exceedingly difficult to do so without defeating the whole principle on which the present system was founded. • There were many poor districts in which excellent schools had been now founded; partly by the voluntary efforts of persons either in the districts or in neighbouring districts. And it was clear that if grants were made indiscriminately to poor districts, without requiring local contributions, the effect would be unfair towards those districts in which schools had already been founded ; and it would, moreover, tend to check that voluntary effort which it was the object of the system to promote. 'With regard to another point, he had to state that it was the intention of the committee to adhere to the principle of confining assistance to those schools which combined religious with secular education. Whatever might be the opinion of individual mem bers of the committee, it was clear that they would not be justified in depaeting from a principle which he believed had the approbation of the country, and which had hitherto been adhered to, without the pre vious assent of the Legislature. (Hear.) With respect to the motion distinctly before the house, it was true that it was in terms limited to a reduction of the amount of the present vote ; the arguments by which it was supported were directed against the present system altogether. He hoped that the house would not therefore assent to it, and he thought, indeed, that his hon. friend might well abstain from pressing it to a division, since if he was willing to concur in the amount of the last year's vote, there could not be any question of principle involved in a somewhat increased expenditure on behalf of an object which all ad mitted to be desirable. No division was taken, and the vote was agreed to, as was also a vote of 6,1811. for compensation to Mr. 'Boyle, for the resignation of his office of deputy registrar justi ciary clerk in Scotland. The house then resumed. The Oxferd University Bill as amended was considered. PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS (SCOTLAND) BILL. The LORD ADVOCATE asked the house to postpone the intervening orders in order to go into committee on this bill. Several hon. members objected to this course, which was very unusual. The LORD ADVOCATE said he would withdraw it for that evening. but he would bring it on to-morrow, whatever might be the hour. WEST INDIA LOANS, On the motion for the third reading of this bill, Sir J. PAKINGTON said this was a bill in reference to loans made to West India owners, in consequence of the losses they sustained by the hurricanes twenty years ago. Estates which were in a state of groat prosperity when these loans were made, were very much depressed in con sequence of the altered state of affairs, and be thought the owners had a groat claim upon the justice and liberality of the house. Ho trusted that the Government would not accept from some coloniea repayment of these loans, upon terms which they could not accept from others. He feared that the Government was inclined to impose less favourable terms upon St. Lucia thou upon Dominica. He had heard that this inequalitr arose from some accident of difference in the law of Dominica. He could not allow the bill to pass without a protest against the harshness of such proceedings towards the West India colonies. Mr. T.,HANKEY pressed for an extension of the time in which the loans might be repaid. He would therefore substitute twenty years for ten. Mr. WILSON explained the course the Governmenthad taken with regard to the loans which were made in 1834. For some time the payments of interest were suspended, but in 1854 they recommenced. Whenever the commis sioners on the spot reported that the property had deterio rated, the commissioners in England had made an abate ment. He admitted that the terms granted to Dominica were more favourable than those granted to St. Lucia, but that had taken place with the sanction of the commis sioners. The commissioners both on the spot and here had received the sanction of the Treasury to close those accounts as speedily as possible, and if it could be shown that in any case there was an injustice, the Treasury would accept a compromise. At the same time be should mention that in this proceeding the Treasury was acting under an act of Parliament for the benefit of the public. With re gard to the suggestion of the hon. member for Peterbo rough (llr. Hawkey), he begged to say that he should have great pleasure in complying with it after consulting the come is4ioneri on the subject. Mr. LABOUCHERE assured the sight hon. baronet (Sir J. Pakington) that he hid done everything he could for St. Lucia, although he had not been able to do anything for individual estates, which had hopelessly and irretrievably fallen. He had done all he could forthe colony by abolish ing the office of lieutenant governor, and placing the island under the government of the Governor of Earbadoes, and by various other alterations that would tend to the im provement of the colony in an economical and general point of view. The bill was then read a third time and passed. ANNUITIES REDENIFTION BILL. This bill was road a second time. FOREST. OF DEAN CENTRAL RAILWAY ADVANCE. This bill, to advance NAM to this railway company out of the Crown Revenues, passed through committee. PEACE PRESERVATION BILL. Upon the motion that this bill be read a second time. Col. DUNNE objected to so important a bill being dis cussed at that late hour. Airy ISORSALIN maid that as the portent bill oxpixod the Ist of July it was very necessary that no time should be lost. As to the necessity for the measure there was no doubt, and he hoped the house would proceed with it at once. Mr. MAGUIRE said that there never was more peace and tranquillity iu Ireland than at this moment, and there was no reason for insulting the Irish people with a miser able bill like that. Crime was far snore prevalent in Eng land than it was in Ireland, and crime of a worse descrip tion, he meant the systematised crime of poisoning, and he thought Government should bring forward special rea sons before introducing a wretched measure like that for Ireland, while they left England and Scotland to ordinary legislation. He moved that the bill be road that day six months. Dr. BRADY deprecated the bill as most unnecessary, and said that in no portion of the British empire were there to be found men more loyal and peaceful than in Ire land. He should oppose the bill at every stage as being un wise, unnecessary, and insulting to the people of Ireland. Sir G. GREY disclaimed any imputation upon the loy alty of the people of Ireland, and said that the bill would considerably relax the present law, because the " White boy" clause had been omitted, the Government feeling justified, by the present state of Ireland, in passing the act in that mild form. At the sane time he would say in answer to the statement that there was more crime in England than in Ireland, that there were two districts now under proclamation owing to the murder of Miss Hinds and Mrs. Kelly, and ho hoped tho house would see the necessity of passing the measure at once. Mr. P. O'BRIEN objected to the measure as being to tally unnecessary. Coercion acts might have been neces sary in the time of Sir Robert Peel, to turn out a ministry, but that was an exceptional period, and there was no occa sio❑ for such a bill now. Mr. GEORGE said it was quite impossible to shut his eyes to the fact that there were districts in Ireland where extraordinary repressive measures were still necessary, and he should support the bill introduced by her Majesty's Government. Mr. HORSMAN explained that representations had been made to the Government by the magistrates that the existing act was highly necessary, and but for its opera tions, they would have been unable to arrest the murderers of Miss Hinds, one of whom was executed the other day. The house then divided. The numbers were-- For the second reading Against . Majority The bill was then read a second time TRANSFER OF WORKS (IRELAND) BILL. This bill passed through committee. NATIONAL GALLERY SITE BILL. . -67 Lord ELCHO opposed the second reading of this bill at that inconvenient hour, especially as it wal a subject upon which great difference of opinion existed. He believed that the Government had got all the plans out and dried before coming to Parliament for the powers sought by this bill, and he did not think that was the proper way to treat the question. He should move that the bill be read a second time that (lay six months. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was quite prepared to go into a full discussion of the subject then, although it was between one and two o'clock, but if his noble friend would withdraw his motion, ho would postpone the second reading. Mr. STAFFORD concurred in the suggestions of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the motion was with- drawn. The discussion of the bill was postponed until this day, ALDERSHOTT CAMP BILL. This bill wag read a third time and passed. SPECIALTY AND SIMPLE CONTRACT DEBTS PILL. Mr. SPOONER and Mr. VANCE having objected to this bill being read a second time, Mr. MALINS said ho believed it would have boen foun a very useful measure, but it had been delayed and post• poned so many times that he would withdraw it alto gether. The bill was then withdrawn. The remaining orders of the day were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at a quarter before two o'clock. LAW INTELLIGENCE.—June 12. COURT OF COMMON PLEAS. (Before Chief Justice Jervis.) STAMMERS V. HUGHES AND ANOTHER. Mr. Watson, Q.C., and Mr. Pearce showed cause against a rule to pay money out of the hands of the sheriff of Lancashire, which had been deposited by Miss Emma Stanley, one of the defendants, in order to get free from an arrest at the suit of the plaintiff. The cir cumstances under which the matter came before the Court aroso out of an engagement between the plaintiff and Hughes to employ Miss Emma Stanley to perform a musical entertainment called the "Seven Ages of Woman," at St. Martin's-hall. The rule had been granted by the Court upon the affidavit of the defendants that there was no debt whatever due to the plaintiff, and that so far from their having ever employed the plaintiff to do any work, that he and Hughes had employed Miss Stanley to act for them upon certain terms, among other,, that she was t receive one-third of the gross receipts for each entertainment. The performances went on fur a considerable time, but ultimately she put an end to, the engagement, as she was enabled to do by the terms of the agreement. The plaintiff then set up his claim ; and as Miss Stanley was about to go to America, he bad her arrested, and she was forced to pay the amount of claim and costs into the hands of the sheriff, in order to get rid of the arrest. Affidavits of the plaintiff were now produced i❑ court, from which it appeared that he claimed 651. for work done by him in preparing materials, &c., for the entertainment which was to be performed by Miss Stan ley. The learned counsel contended that the Court mull not entertain the question whether there WAS a debt or not, and that if it was sworn by the plaintiff that he had a good cause of action, they would allow the cause to go on in its regular course. But if that were not so, it was sufficiently shown that there was a good cause of action. Lfr. W. G. Harrison, in support of the rule, was not called upon. The Lord Chief Justice—This rule must be made ab solute. It seems that Stammers and Hughes negotiated together to get an entertainment performed by Miss Stanley. While the negotiation was going on he makes certain preparations for it ; he then enters into agree ment with her, by which he binds himself to pay her one-third of the gross receipts for each night, and also to pay 3/. 10s.; for every default ; and he is to find a stage apparatus, and everything necessary. Well, after a time the engagement goes off, and because he has done something before the agreement was made, he has the boldness to swear that a debut was due to him fur do:rig that work. Mr. Justice Cresswell—l am quite satisfied, from the affidavits, that the plaintiff has no cause of action at all. Rule absolute. POLICE INT ELLIG- I ENC Ifl.—,Tune 12. BO W-STREET.—A ticket-of-leave man, named John Finn, was charged, in conjunctiou with Henry Farley and Ann, T«ylor, a prostitute, with being concerned in several burglaries. An old woman, named Hamilton, the mother of Taylor, was also apprehended, and subse quently admitted as a witness fpr the Crown. About a fortnight ago the male prisoners were ob served loitering about Castle-street, Long-acre, in a mintier which induced police.constabie Holmes, F 50, to watch their movements. He saw them beckon to the old woman, who was approaching them with a bundle, but, suddeely observing the officer, the male prisoners turned round and' disappeared. The constable went up to the old woman, and, finding two frock coats in her possession, conducted her to the police-station. He saw the girl Taylor in the neighbourhood at the same time, but she also disappeared on seeing the constable. , The old woman, on being brought before the magistrate, stated that "Jack" (meaning Finn) was living with her daughter, and that they had brought home the two coats, with a quantity of faller property, about day break 'that morning. They desired her to bring some of the things to Broker's-alley, and made her do it by intimidation. Toe police searched the room where they had been all three living together in King-street, Lenp, , acre, and found a quantity of wearing apparel and other property, some of which was identified as part of the produce of a burglary committed at the house of Mr. W. Hammond, 3, Rus sell-square, during the previous night—the remainder being the produce of other burglaries—including one at the Dispensing-house at Kensington, from which a quan tity of clothing belonging to Mr. Beresferd, the resident surgeon, a case of medical instrument., the dining room curtains, &c., were stolen, the whole being found in Taylor's room excepting a set of spoons and a pair of boots, which the prison-r had pledged. Farley became implicated by the statement of the principal witness re specting his share in the consultations aid arrangements with Finn and Taylor. The prisoner Finn is a most desperate character. He was only liberated on a ticket of leave on the 2.1 of May ; and, within three weeks afterwards, he committed four daring burglariel, besides nearly murdering a constable who detected him breaking into a jeweller's shop. For this latter offence he was committed from Worship-street, at which court he was identified by Holmes, who saw Farley there also. Mr. Jardine, who directed these facts respecting Finn to be repprted to the Home-office, committed the prisoner Sor trial. MARLBOROUGH. STREET. SHOCKING BAR iIkItITY--Tolvz Norton, a drover, was summoned before Mr. Beadon, charged by the Royal Society for the Pre vention of Cruelty to Animals, for cruelty to a bullock. From the statement of Mr. Forster, the manager, sup ported.by the evidence of Sir Benjamin Hall's ♦alet and footman, police-constable Griffiths, and a cabman, named Saltfleet, it appeared that the bullock in question was driven from the New Cattle Market, on the 2d inst., and when in Curzon-street ono of its hoofs was seen to drop off. The animal, although evidently suffering in tense agony. was driven forward until it fell down oppo site Sir B. residence in Great Stanhope-street. The sufferings of the animal attracted the attention of Lady Hall, and a police-constable was soon apprised of the occurrence. Several attempts were made t., pull the animal on its legs with ropes, but they all failed. One of the witnesses said he saw the eyes of the animal nearly starting out of its head with the agony it endured from one hoof being entirely off, and the other hanging by a small piece of skin. It was found necessary to send for a slaugbterman, and to kill the animal on the spot. Mr. Beadon, being of opinion that great cruelty had been committed, but that others were more culpable than the defendant, adjourned the case to give time to the society to get at the real culprits. STATE OF TI:ADE.--Manche6ter, June 12.—The mar ket co n ti nues flat. Yarn gav e way at the Bl ac kbu rn market yesterday about ld. per lb., and the prices of most kinds of twist here are in favour of the buyer, with a declining tendency. In the cloth market there is some business doing for India and China, where sellers are willing to accede to a decline, but the offers mostly made are lower than can be accepted. Prices have a declining tendency 41 . 3=94 kinds of fabrics. Country Pilatirets. DERBY SMITIIFIELD.—JsmE 10: There was a fair average supply of fat beas4 to-dal, which were in good demand and well sold, but few being left on hand. Sheep and lambs numerous , without altera tion of price. Fat and store calves were plentiful. 1,0 pigs scarce. The following were the quotations :—Beef, Qd to TA ; mutton, 7d to 8d ; lamb, Sd to 8:1d ; veal, 62d to 7il POIO lb. ; pigs, 10s 6d to lls Od per scare ; roug h fat, 4s 3d fed 1 per 141 b. ; hides, 3idto 4d per lb ; calf-skins , 3;cl to si' per lb. EDINBURGH GRAIN.—JUNE 11. A fair supply of grain to-day. Sales quick for all orth with a considerable rise. Wheat, on the top, 4s Od up, and on the averat,re 4s 10 ,1 up. Barley, Is 6d up on the top, and is 10d u,o on the average. Oats on the top is 4d up—on the averer. 2s 2d up. Beans on the top 4s up—on the e,verog•l 3s 8d up. AVERAGES PER IMPERIAL QUARTES. Wheat £3 13 0 1-12tler. Do. new -12tie. Barley Oats 1 11 7 9-1200. Sewn BOSTON—JUNE 11. Owing to the extraordinary prices dema nded by till farmers for their wheat, the trade ruled inactive, and were retail business resulted, the few sales effected beint7 chiefly to needy millets for present use, at an adven,2° 2s to 4s per qr. on the prices current this day week. '-ultrr s was little swing corn brought forward, and no quotillue4 change in value. Prices :—Wheat, red, COs Od to 73s Od; white , 725 Odle' 74s Od : extra, 76s Od. Barley, —$ Od to —8 Od. ,A 7 19s to 295. Beans, 40s Od to 47s Od. Peas, 38,• to 4 3 1 '— per qr. NEWILItri—JIINE 11. We had a good attendance to-day, and a full supply grain of all descriptions. Wheat met with a free eels 0 2s to 3s per qr. advance. Spring corn is dearer than on the 4th inst. Wheat, white 78s to 82s, red 71s to 745; barley'. 1125116.4 —s to —s, grinding 36s to 38s; oats, 24st. 32s to 345, 27s to 28s ; beans, 41s to 48s ; malt, 72s to 765; Pe l°4 to 44s ; tares, —s to —s per qr. SBA BORNE MAILS. (N signifies that the malle aro aent from tho Goleta ri !?3 , the night—and M by tho morning—despatch.) . - - wool' Jay whon made i:i F rom w hale COUNTRIER. i n Gen er a l Post- Port 411 0 a. Office, London.' Dispatche , • 4 n'' .• kmerica(byltrit.packg. Every Friday - foie 13 • Liverpool ... •• americp. tby United Sus packet) .. .. .. ....N •• • • ...• ••• • • Liverpool ... imerica (by U. Eitatw. packet) ..........N ••••• •'• - Southampton ikustralia (via South ampton) ..........1d •••••• ... • • • • : . uthamFton Ditto (via Marseilles) 11 Ditto (via Cape of Good -rift, Hops) •• •• •• •• •• ••N ....... •• •• ... Africa ( Weal Coas:)..is 13d of the month.. Plymouth .. .i'llacxxaainuldriri:.........::::l4l44 44;91'8;2'10' 8k 3(1 of of m. Dov sout er ha . m7to . n . Bahamas ...........N 17th of the month Southampton Belgium ••••••• •• • • N ,DailY •••••• • • • • • • Dover •• ..•• asll7, 6 B ra ,il _ „„...... ..iyll9th of the Month.. Southampton June ir Buenos Ayres ........Mlth of the month.. Southampton June 1u ... Various ports Unoca l " Cape of Good Hope .. N Cape of Good Hope ..N Ca, - ;e de Verde - N 9th of the month Southampton .... Ceylon (see India) Ceylon ..............1; wh • eat Channel Isles.. - ~...1, ; iif OR ,Vir ed „Fa' del . Southampton ru.. --• Ch..... ........24 2,1 &17ti• of mono, Southampton 2 0 China .... . , Once a month.... Constantinople ...... 8 • 13 , 18 • 1 &:k 3• 8 am D0ver...... Constantinople •• • • • 4 th & 20th of mon. Southampton N Cont. of Europe hi wls Twice daily ...... Dover «.• . • Tine. F,gypt (see India) ___,,..daa Franco .. „, Mit 1.; Twice daily__ _ D ove r ...... •rww-- Gibraltar ....„ _ ..11 1,7,17, 20, 27 dm. Soohampton Greece (see India) Groytown .. __ _ „ld,2nd ft 17th of mon. South ampton Haraburgh .. - - ....NlT uesda Y & FridaYlLondoal ••• •• a avanna h ..........ml2nd of the month Holland ..........,.b9. pat:s' • • •• • • ...... Dover ....• •• Dal/Y_.. Honduras _ _ .......m 171,1 c !the month. Southamp:on 16th )I "l4th It 20th of mon. l l B ;iy u , 9 7 1 , Os 25th of month Dover ...... India (viaSouthampt. 17, it 27 of mon Dover.... • • lonian Isles (zoo India) India (via Ma.rsoillos)Sl Ireland ........M & IC Twice daily ...... Hot.; head ... Tiviee d , lll H, mthotturothpto:i J4:210 Lisban......„ _ ....Ai 7,9, 17, Sc 27 of m. Southampton lune." v a d e i„ ............ 9th of the monthlSouthamptonl v adeira ......... 8 18 ...N m 230. of month • • - I Liverpool ... Malta (see India) & 28 of mon. l Dover .........• 4, 20 Ma uritius ..........N 14th of the month Mauritius (see India) N e m o° ............m 2nd of the mooth-ISouthaMpterl ju19,1 Now ap a lt hates (Granada ...... . .. . 1 Napios ___ _ „ ...... E sthlsth2sthofmon.lDover ...... 2:1: 15 1 t 7 h t 2 h s o t h f o m n o n n o t . h . ! D S o o u v t e h r a m . p .. to: . ..ctalS (tow Zealand By private silo .. Various ports ilma• , •- • ..,. Peninsula .......... m ithl7th27thoftnon. r ioutharnpton Port Natal N fly private ship.. ;Various ports tracer e ii Porn .... „ ........m 12 St 27th of .morH southampton Tuscany xsthlMh2sthofmon.lDover •••••• Telly ~ _ NS th Ifith2Sthofmou,Dover ...• •• Venezuela „1id........ 2d it 27th of montb!Southampton 1 ih 110 0 Van Diem en'sL ,, n2 (see i I Ac.tr..n.l I Telly •• .• •• •• •.1 , 1 Tuscany ............N Venezuela Van Diernen'sL.nd (see' Australia) West Indieg WI& (7th o f mono t!Southampton When any of these dates fall on a Sunday, the mails w ill -- • e al,(11 spatchcd oath° following day, with the exception of the in d th ',outhampton), and the Malta, both of which will be desPet o" prodding day. DISEAIIsODimENT op THE CITT or LONDON —Yesterday, in compliance with orders received fr", Lord Panmure, the Royal City of London. Militia t 5, sembled in the Artillery Ground, Finsbury, for the , pose of being disembodi e d. E ac h man was paid 1.38.1,-‘ viz., 12a. 3d., the bounty th a t w ill accrue up ton e,.wv December, and ls. for the day' s p a y. O n th e an noen ment of the amount being made, the men who hadra, ceived the pr ,mised discharges evinced considerabl i r, s '; satisfaction at not receiving a gratuity of 14 days c o . to enable them to purchase clothing, it not being p r y bable that they can obtain employment whilst in sold 3 0 .0 , uniform. The colonel said that the case should 1304 presented in the proper quarter. The men were t o dismissed. adtif THE NEW AcT ON FIRE INSUIANCES.—On ► ,fr oft the new act to amend the laws relating to the doti °s o o fire insurances, which has immediate operation, bi printed. The object of the act is to make pac ie ,%jeo foreign companies liable to the same duties as Pi t made by companies within the United Kingdom• os therefore provided that duties are to be chargeabledo all insurances of property within the United Xipg t yii wheresoever made. All persons insured are under, . 00 act chargeable with duties where the insurance s ic be made by unlicensed fo re i gn com p an i es. All persons W i s . as agents receive proposal s f or i nsurances by enrnaper out of the United Kingdom are to be deemed to be P o sons keeping an office for insuring property from 1°8 „, s •og fire. Furth er , th e ac t p rov id es th a t perso ns ke e r - o rt offices for insurances on behalf of foreign compel lie" to be chargeable with the duties on such insuranna P-DVERTISESIENT. ]— lt is with pleasure we notice t " ° 0110) increase of cures without me di c i ne o f i n di ges ti on (dysPe flatulency, constipation, nervous, bilious, and liver„ 1:14 plaints, cough, as th ma , consumpt i on, an d d e bility, P .' le fell° Barry's delicious Revalenta Arabica. 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The principal scat of the pain roe to be just below the ribs on my left side, and aben',;: f e inches from the backbone. I commenced taking Dar", 511,,. Revalenta Arabica morning and evening, boiled in 111 " e tlf. salt; and 'in less than a fortni g ht m y a pp e tite was ;S b e d i-aproved, and flatulency and constipation so far vaned 'that I have not tasted a pill o r d rug of any 0 4 since. I am much stronger, can walk s teadier, ~, • less like a drunken man, &c.—Joni Vass, Land-stewarw - o f Supported by testimonials from the celebrated Profess o _ l l,; Chemistry Dr. Andrew Irre ; Dr. Shorland ; Dr. 11 *' - ; Dr. Campbell ; Dr. Gattiker ; Dr. Wurzer; Dr. Lord Stuart. de Decies ; the Dowager Countess of L" - ...b1e stuart ; Major-Gen. Thomas King, and many othe r respeeT b ot persons, whose health has been restored by it, after an ° : e * means of cure had failed. suitably packed for all 4 1 %.* with full instructions. In canisters, 51bs., lls. ; 121b5.,130 ' . super-refined, 11b., es. ; 21bs., Ils. ; Whs., 225.; 10 1.0 " isce The 101bs. and 121bs, carnage free, on receipt of poi/ o ,ra; order. Barry du Barry and Co., 77, Regent.street, LO l , Fortnum, Mason, and Co., Purveyors to her Majesty, pie / e dilly ; also at 60, Graceehurch.strect ; 330 and 451, StrenX ia .. Cncapside; 6, Ccrnhill ; 49, Bishopsgate-street; 55 Lied. inc-cross; 54, Upper Baker-street; 63 and 150, street.' LONDON: Printed and Published by itURDO YOU' 5. ict of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at The Sion Office, No• J j " sirant3, iu the Preoln , st of the .9.avoy, in the count/ ° 14 ( 14104 as Friday, Julie 13,1856 x, -.erne 6—B a lug , 1y.9- dai are eai Play 0 , slx, L' The p wh o hi Duc E Paid. ST, Yearly I ncome °M ee Saturd i etaimtn tenet b, PreYleu S. To —......._ r AI _fteture at 49% i nga an, The stetso n . Pitney • pintas 1 11 ., 24 The 1 4e Sea A ;;; La ever] Oaring 1 It !lei t elPectf or recor , "-----__ D the ge-niu %-.44de w. . The ex Iron rr 'tal on a ;beDart m il te KS Peel Dan" the 1," the I t'Cn Can an twi War D Sc The G Gies iodic ""ulatral 44 Ural Divic 48atireC kittal of BIRTHS. O A BON. On the 11th inst., at Ufford Hall, Northampt° ll°ll* Mrs. Arthur William English. ° le I On the 9(h inst., at the Priory. Cheltenham, the ' N. W. Ripley, Esq., of Lightcliffo. OP A DA.UGHTEE. On the 11th inst., in New Burlington-street , Hulse. On the 11th inst., at the Woodlands, Glaphain't ---- re Mrs. William L. Leaf. MARRIED. ,ter On the 10th inst., at the British Embassy, an d of oot wards at the Madeleine Church, Paris, Frederick P ear 6l4 Esq., to Stephanie, only daughter of Robert Fresh - Seaman, Eeq. (1 On the 11th inst., at Essex-street Ch a p e l, J o seph ~r ,50 0 t Esq. M.P., Chamber Hall, ne ar B o lt on , t o .Mary, e cep daughter of Thomas Biggs, Eeq., Upper Bedford-P.- Russell-square. DIED;; er, On the 11th i ns t., a t N ew t on St . C yree , n ear .r4l° t the Lieut.-Col one l J o h n Allen Ridgwa who served ill oa 95th Foot (Rifle Brigade) during tbe y, Peninsular WO' - at Wa theterloo. On 10th inst., at Temple-bill, East Budleigh. C le A l3 t; ,ral Sir George P. Adams, K.C.11., Colonel of the (Inniskillen) Dragoons, aged 77. m 0 0 On the 10th inst., at Twick enham, Mr. George u J-- () Jolland, of Brompton. On the 9th inst., at Sendburst-grange, Georgina Lsu daught:r of the Hon. Francis Scott, M.P., aged 18. ty, On the 9th inst., at Edinburgh, Thomas Mackq.,eci Esq., late of A.pplecross, formerly M.P. for the cornbi." counties of Ross and Croniarty. of On the 11th inst., Sarah, the wife of H , S. -1 0- ' Crutchedfriars, city, aged 53. THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, JUNE 13, 1856. reve abat Of hi Gem each of T 1 form aqua ?dad. and 1 Rant A mo Tick' Ilahei ' Ptsl 11. LI anly) and p healtl 2 , an bighl3 by Dr 1%1 forme above inelud TRAI Aoreal With t oh pros k 4O Ve F the e aDi Iten, at m 404,