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The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat early in the day,' and heard evideßce and Counsel at the Bar of the House in the divorce cause, Baring v. Baring. Mr. Stoat. Err and, others, from the House of Commons, brought up the Annual Indemnity Bill; the Transfer of. Aids Bill ; and Twenty Millions Exchequer Bills Bill. On the motion of Lord BEXLEY, who officiated for the Earl of Shaftesbury,.all these sills were read a first time. MINING SPECULATIONS. EAST INDIA HOUSE, Mardi t, 1825. THE' 'COURT of DIRECTORS of the l i t Y ) UNITED COMPANY of MERCHANTS of ENG KANO TRADING to the EAST INDIES, do. hereby give Notice, • That a GNERAL COt:11T of the said Company will he by Adfourntoent,attheir House in Leadenhall-street, can SHPRSDAY NEXT, the 3d inst., at Eleven o'Clock in the rtireniyin i ; for the purpose of continuing the konsideretion " of the, Hyderabad Papers now before - the Proprietors, as far tiley respect the conduct of the Most.Nohle the Marquis 4flialting, late Governor-General of India." JOSEPH DART. Srcretary. 'INTERESTING To LADIES. ELF,O - NORA.'S'FINE SANG OILS, PASTE, and LAVO CBE:\ 51:--The valuable Recipe having laid.dormant for some time, in consequence of the death of the Proprietors, the Grand-daughter is induced, in consequence of the numerous applications front the Nobility and Gentry, to introduce those valuable Articles again. 'Sand Oil, the only invention to eradicate and prevent the growth of superfluous flair, has been experienced by the first .Nobility, and never known to fail : sold in packets, containing de pilatory pot and phial. ss. Sago Paste the .Proprietor par_ ,ticularly, recommends to Ladies as a most excellent pieventa tive against the efFects of the sun and any inclement weather, before ridi ng or after sea-bathing; it beautifies the hands beyond any thing ever made ,known, and cleanses the skin from impurities, and renders it delicately white and smooth, which. Lailies will:perceive, after using it one month they will hav e no ticeasiOn, for any other addition ; it is also an ines timable remedy for, all scalds, burns, and chilblains. Lavo Cream, justly esteemed for its excellent properties, by adding exttaordinary,clearness or fairness to the complexion; used after the measles or small-pox it will cause the marks to wear Ow; it preVents the bands or any other part front chapping, or 'nlart in wirer ;. and particularly agreeable to gentlemen after xhaviiik, as it cools anti heals the 'disagreeable remaining heat. 131 t1 by appointment by Messrs. Sanger, 150, Oxford -street; Gattie and:Pierce, 57, New Bond-street ; and by the Proprietor, bit.% Williams, 54, Gloucester-street, Queen-square, Holborn. Where ilso may be had, of the PrOprietor, Cold Cream and lavender Water, of superior qualities. EXCELLENT,: COPYHOLD .1) WELLING-HOUSE, • BETH NA L-G REE N. . , • TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION. -LIY Air. DENT, at the AUCTION MART' opposite the Bank of- England, on Friday, the 11th day of March, at 12 o'clock, by order of the Trustees of the late Mr. Dock"wray. THE. Premises consist of an excellent Roomy Dwelling-House, situate No. 20, on the East side and very best part of ' Bethnal Green, containing two rooms on each of their stories, with Kitchen, 'Wash-house, and other Offices behind, opening into a large Garden, at the bottom of which is a' Stable,- having a back entrance from Gretton-place ; the Whole as good repair, having had a large sum expended by the pre sent Tenant, who' has a Lease thereof, 8 years of which are - "' e qired at the very IoW Rent of 281. per Annum. The pro perty i s Copyhold of inheritance held under the Manor of ;!:•atepo sy, subject to a quit Rent of. One Shilling per Annum, -and„a fine of Shillings on death or alienation, . . May be. viewed by leave of the Tenant, of whom, printed Particulars may be had. Also at the Blind-Beggar, near. the prernieee ; at tlie Place of Sale ; of Mr.WrighuSolicicor, Stock mm ; of Messrs. Perkins and Frampton, soMfitor, Grayi Inn ; and of Mr. Dent, Land Surveyor, Catmien.Town. ' 'BAKER'S PATENT 14_ BAKER.` and SON, PATENT 'MAN -. ,KE, ENGINE,' and PRESS MAKEBS to 1 - lIS 40A,i.E 0 STY and the RO'YAL FAMILY, re§pectitilly acquaint the,Public,•they. have manufactured a lot ge"Assi,rtment of I) ;ate , nt Mangles,. Washing, Wringing, Crimping, and r lttg with every Article used in the Laundry. ektrffscoking.. Engines. Ploughs, Drills, Haymaking Ma- CLisies, Kati and Bean Mills, Turnip Cutters, %Winnowing Machines; Corn Screens, Shovels, Sieves and Measures, 1 3 1-.lllror o ' s Cattle Tubes, Hay Truss Knives, Drag Collect ing Rake's,- and Agricultural Impleurents 'of every desciiption. BA/yr Churlisand Cheese Proses, Milk Pails, and Bowls, A vitkotfier • Dairy UtensilS. • Garden and Green:house Watering Engines, Rollers and .11,Lirows, Daisy Rakes, Insect Destroyers, and Horticultural Cane, Top Cutters and Casada Presses; Coffee Fanners, Roasters ; India Corn Mills, with East and West . . Purtable .Corn Mills, Family Scales and Weighing Ma (.l.innet!s). Patent Filterers, Shower Baths, Borinet Machines, Portable Water Closets, Cinder Sifters, anitTable Cloth Presses, with a variety of other Domestic ii ii34Cornurercial Machines. To be seen at the Patent Mangle Manufactory, 64, 65, and C 6; Pore. strvet, Cripplegate, and 309, Oxford-st:ert, uppo site. Fladong's Hotel. In the Piess, OBSERVATIONS on the LAW and PO , - I.ICY of JOINT STOCK CONIPANIES. • - q H. BELLENDEN KERR, Esq. F.R.S. of Lincoln's Inn.. London: Printed for Joseph Butterworth and Son, Law o,oksellers, Fleet.stritet ,•• and Longman and Co. Paternos ter.4ow This flay was published, THE LADY'S MAGAZINE, or Mirror of 1 . the Belles: Lettres, Fashions, Fine Arts, Music, t• "una, Six. !for February, 1845, price is. tad. abatELustimENTs:—lst. a highly-finished Engraving, a fro r , D.rawing of 'I% Stothard, B.A. taken from the Tale n 'the•os•Noutig Rubber." in the Tales of a Traveller.-- ',V;-A Vi ew • o f Li n lith gow C as tl e , as d escr ib e d i n S cu tt" s ‘` lt arazion.-.-8d ; Ladies,in the most Fashionable Dresses, g 4 ntly coloured. • • • • Among the contents of this Number will he found, a Pic.-! , " !,'"e• Aloderti Manners ; Oxford Decarneron4.- The Life of e Authur.of Bertram; Trareli in the East ; Strict ores 1 1° ' Preer.nt 'Treatment of Women ; Theatrical. Anecdotes ; 4 114 Yg; Reviews of Literature, Fine Arts, Music, Drama, g...thir Calendar of ,Fashions, Miscellaneous Varieties, &c: Macriages, and Deaths, 1. 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Earl GROSVENORtrusted to the courtesy of their Lord ships to allow him to trouble them with a few words regarding himself. They were aware that various speculations, many of which had been attended with ruinous circumstances, had of late been undertaken. It had happened, he was sorry to say; that he had been misrepresented as having engaged in many of those. Whilst he was in the country, he heard it reported that he had gained 80,0001. by such speculations, anti .an com ing to town he found that rumour had doubled the 80,0004 and made them 160,0001. Nay, his progress was said to be still more rapid, and his gains to have amounted to little less than 4 or 500,00?'. Now, there was no truth in any of those reports, for he had engaged of late in no on speculations. He said . this for: the sake of those, who hearing of his supposed gains, might incautiously enter into ruinous enterprises. At the sairre time he was anxious to state, that if speculations were not extended too far if they were bona fide transactions, and carefully managed, he considered them as highly advantageous both to individuals and to the country. For persons carrying the surplus of their capital and their in dustry abroad, also disseminated with them the example and the practice of their moral habits, and thus.raised the character whilst they promoted the interests of their country. Hehad thought it his duty to say thus much, to prevent the incautious from being taken in by dangerous speculations, and at the same time to.guurd against being.thought altogether inimical to,snch transactions. when, they were directed to proper objects, and honourably conducted. .The Earl of ..FALmouTir presented a Petition from the in habitants of Penzance against the duty on Coals carried coast ways. ' Laid on the Table.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before four o'clock, when he,proqeeded to observe, that as there appeared to be an unusual large,attendance of Members at that early hour, he thought 4 would,be for the convenience of the House, that the name.lof.those Hon. Members who did not answer to their nanies.yeswlay should be called over, in order to give those Members. ; wlto,v.Tre not there merely upon private business the opportunity of feaving..the House. He begg . ed it to he under itood.that this was not intended to be conclusive on those - Hon. Member*.tio did not answer to their names, ' The- Clerk then called over a list of .names, many of which were.not answered' to, nor did the House display any sensible diminution of numbers. NEW WR On the motion of Mr. CALCRAFT a New Writ was ordered for the borough of liramber, in place of William Wilbeifbrce, Esq. who has accepted the_Chiltern Hundreds. LONDON WATER COMPANY'. Mr. T...Wif.soff . presented a petition from the pariSh of St. John, Hackney, against the London Water Works Bill. Petitions were presented in favour of the Bill, : from Shore ditch, Bethnal . Green, St. Mary, Islington, and several other places. These petitions were ordered to lie on the table. Mr. F. BUXTON moved the second reading of the London Water Works Bill. illr. W. WILLIAMS opposed the motion, on the ground that there were Water CoMpanies enough already,' and-that any addition to the number would only create cOnfusion, and draw' down ruin upcn many of them. He moved; as an amendment, that the bill he read that day six months. .31r, FREE MANTLE stiiirairtatho amendment, He coil fessed he had One into a Voirilitifeee on'a former Sefision. strongly prejudiced against the Water Companies of the Me tropolis, but came out of it with:a Very different opinion. .He considered that their efforts Were. in the highest degree laud- able, and that the metropolis irteComfort and health derived all the advantages of their efforts: l'He" hought the introduction of new competition would be ruinouilo. some of the parties, and• thus would the advantages at preiient enjoyed be destroyed. Mr. BUXTON contended' that free:competition in water, as well as on all other articles, .could not. but be beneficial to the interests-of the Metropolis.. The lion. Member mentioned the case of a schoolmaster, who had been raised in hii water rate three times, a hundred per cent; eieli (Litre. Mr. T. WILSON observeff,.thifthe Hon. 'Member who had= . just sat down had omitted to state Wfiether the schoolmaster had more than one bop wb'en he, began school, and less than fifty', when - his rate was raised. • - . After a few wordifrom Mr.i. Alderman C. Smmii and Cuit'rEls, the House divided— Por the Dill . - - 69 Against it - • Majority for the Bill - 39 :CALL OF THE HOUSE. Mr. BROUGHAM suggested-that the House should pro ceed•to take some steps relative to the Order for the attendance of Manbers. • - - • - The SPEAKER-said, that there was a difficulty.in the case, inasmuch asthe hitter of the Order would be satisfied by an at tendance ott the-House at any one period of the day, whilst the spirit required that. Members should attend upon the discussion of the question for -which they. had been summoned. The diffi culty, therefore, was as to the infliction of punishment for -an omission upon the delinquency, of which the House was not agreed. The course which had been pursued had been to call over the list of names whenever the House appeared full, by which means the list had been considerably diminished. He proposed that this should again be done. • - . . After the list had been called over, still leaving many names unanswered, . Mr. BRO . UGHA3I observed,' that some punishment ought to be visited upon those who.did not appear at any one minute of the day, or any single period of the discussion. He sup posed they ought to have time allowed to twelve o'clock at night. To•morrow he would.move, that the Serjeant at Arms should take all those into custody who did not attend. And, in the mean time, he proposed that - the Sergeant at Arms have the list put into his hands, to notedowrr the nbn-attendants. The SPEAK-EU said the 'usual way -was, for the list to re. main in the hands of the Clerk, and Members to signify their presence to him, otherwise' thrHon.. - Member's proposal was perfectly equitable, and to.ifrorreW they would determine on the.course to be taken. . .-; • ' . . Mr. BROUUHAM assented to this mode of settling the question. •• • • Mr. CLivE presented a petition from Oakingliana in favour of the County Courts' Bill.—Referred to the.Counnittee on the Bil L•-• . Mr. L. FOSTra presented a petition from Dundalk against the high rate of licences. Mr.•HOBHOUSE- presented a Petition from Kerry in favour of the Catholic. Association. .. Mr. PowEx presented a Petition from the Protestants of Waterford in favour of the Catholic Claims. These Petitions were ordered to lie on the table. Lord STOPFOIID presented a. Petition from the Dowager Duchess of Buccleueli,• praying for some .compensation under the County Courts Bill.—,Ordered to be printed, • Mr. BROWNLOW presented a Petition from John Kirby; a Roman . Catholic Schoolmaster at Blennerville, in the CouPtY of Kerry. •The Petition had been, placed in his hands at the end of the last Session, and during. the holidays he made.in 7 quiry into the facts stated by the Petitioner, and found that they were true. The Petitioner kept a school.at Blennerville for thirteen years, with great respectability and profit. In conse quence, however, of the diminution of his.pupils he was obliged to give up his school , • Before he did this, however, he pro cured a certificate from the Parish Priest, which established his good character. In . February last • the 'Hibernian School Society established a.school at .Blennerville, and appointed,him schoolmaster. His scholars, in. a short- .time, amounted to •I 00; • About this time the Reverend. John Quill, coadjutor of 'the Parish Priest; told him that he must give up teaching the unless he taught them according to the .f.„lle said h e wou ld ra th er go a b egg i ng Protestant ßonmnath cl o ri l l i d e r m el ie.; than comply with.such an .instruction.- Ori.receiving_this an swer the Priest, as • the Petitioner. represented, quitted. him in a rage and threatened. him- with Vengeance. .Ors the nest Sunday,. at church, he was pointed- out 4 and vengeance was denounced against him as a reformer of the national .religion, and those parents were likewise denounced who should continue to send their children to his school. The Hibernian school, however, still contained 60 pupils. The priest took the opportunity, when the parents came to confession, to per-, suade them to withdraw their children. In a short time the petitioner was brought into great discredit amongst his neigh-.' bours, and obliged to move to another part of the country, but even then he was pursued by the hatred of the priest, and all countenance and friendly assistance was denied him. Helves cruelly assaulted, knocked down, and even his life was-put in. danger, because he dared to speak against Father .Egan, the parish priest. This was only one out of many instances of the Catholic Clergy acting against schoolmasters who refused to adopt their system of education. - -The subject was one of great importance, and deserved the consideration of the House. Mr. F. LEWIS hoped that the House would not be led into a premature discussion on this subject, by the observations of the Hon. Member for Armagh.--(llear !)—The evil stated in the petition certainly existed in Ir e l a nd, and he (Mr. F. Lewis) could mention a thousand cases of it. It was a contest between the Roman Catholic Priesthood and a respectable class of well:meaning persons. The one resisted a particular system of education which the other wished to propagate. The priests used their peculiar influence to prevent it,. and the other party use such influence as was attliair command to ex• tend it. Many instances of the evil results of this contest had been brought before the Commissioners of Inquiry (of which he was a member) during their labours in Ireland, and the Com missioners had endeavoured to provide a remedy. It was use less to intrude any details on the house now, out after their report had been made (and it would be made soon) the House would be in a condition to judge whether such remedy was ade quate. In the mean time he hoped no discussion on the sub ject would take place. Mr. M. FITZGERA LD concurred entirely with the Hon. .Member for Beautnaris (Mr. Lewis), as to the- propriety of deferring the discussion. Mr. PLUNKETT said that he had a few observations to make respecting the petition. 'The petition it appeared had been placed in the hands of the Hon. Member for Armagh (Mr. Brownlow) during the last Session: He had not thought proper to present it to the House until now., at the very moment when the lion. Bart. (Sir F. Burdett) was about to bring for ward a motion respecting the Catholic Claims.—(Hear!)—On that motion perhaps some allusions might be made to the Ca tholic Priesthood,and it was not fair to bring forward statements against that Priesthood, which the lion. Member knew to be true, but which no one else knew to be so. It was just there fore that the House should suspend its judgment till every man had had an opportunity to learn accurately what were the real facts of the case. He did not know whether the Hon. Mem. ber meant to create any improper feeling against the Catholic priesthood, by presenting such a petition at such a time ; but it was certainly calculated to have such an effect, and he (Mr. P.) hoped the good sense of the House wold interpose to pre vent it,—( Hear !) . Mr. GEORGE DAWSON said that he differed entirely from the Right Hon. the Attorney-(loneral for Ireland in his view of the case. It would have been extremely wrong in his Hon. Friend to present the petition, antil he had made some inquiry respecting its-truth. -1k had done so, and then he pur sued the proper Parliamentary course of choosing his own time to present it. Hon. Gentlemio on the other side of the. House had acted in the same way. - .Whey had loaded the table with petitions reflecting on the character of Orangemen on the very evening when 'anytliti - 6ussion of the Catholic claims was to come on,'Without aitrding:ttre'persons attacked any opportunity of vindicating thernselVet. As to giving opportunity for explana tion and defence,.it was attir all very idle talk. The practice of the house sirp44, hit ofieWeltber to assert certain things to be true which sornelember opposite - .denied to he so, and there. thentattergengett relied. It was liteduty of his Hon. Friend to present the Detitltin; and. be Inte'done so. As to the remarks of the Hon. Member for B eat initirls (Mr. F. Lewis,) he did not disagree with 'them, but he was convinced that the Catholic Priesthood had been most active in checking the benefits of edu cation, and, this opinion he should declare at all times and on all occasions. • • Mr. GRATTAN denied that the Catholic Priesthood were hostile to education. Th e rea l fact was, that the Protestants .wished to teach the • Catholics, and the Catholics wished to_ teach themselves. He joined in the protest made by his Right - Hon. Friend (Mr. Plunkett) and he believed that the pe tition was presented to influence the discussion. Sir T. LETH BRIDGE thought the Honourable Member for Armagh entitled -to the thanks of the House for presenting the petition. On such an important question it was desirable to have all possible information. The petition -stated the con duct of a Catholic Priest on the subject of education, and the Honourable- Gentlemen (Mr. ,F. Lewis) said he knew a vast number of other cases of the same kind.—( Hear !)—He regret ted that the CoMmissioners had not got their report ready, and in the mean time he should profit by the facts contained in the petition.. Mr. BIIOWNLOW, in answer to the Attorney-General for Ireland, would only observe, that he did not receive the peti, tinn "Until the very day he was to leave town for Ireland ; and as he did not wish to come before the House without knowing something alto its accuracy; he had iluring the holidays exa mined into its statements. On the opening of. the Session, he hesitated about presenting it ; - nor was he decided until yester day, when he received a letter front Ireland, blaming him for the delay, and requesting him to present it before the-discussion of this evening. After stating these facts, he hoped.she House would not join in the censure cast on him by the Right Hon. Gentleman.—( Hear, hear !) - • --!.. .;.: -. •7( The. Petition was laid on the table and ordered .to be printed. . Mr. V. FITZGERALD presented a petition from the-Roman Catholics - of the County of Clare against the Bill-for suppiess ing the Catholic Association. A %l s,atuia under the Gallery supported(as was understood) the prayer of the petition.--Ordered to be printed. Mr. T. ELLIS presented a petition from the Guild of Mer cbants in Dublin against Catholic Emancipation.,-Ordered to .be printed. . Sir ELIAB Haavir presented a petition from Royden, in Essex, for the repeal of . the Coal Duties.—Ordered to be printed. . • Mr. • BRIGHT presented a petition from Merchants, Bankers, and Traders of Bristol, praying that all religious sects might be placed on an equal footing with regard to their civil' and:political petitioners were highly respect able;:entt well qualified - to' torn an opinion—as well qualified artlimirelf.-:-(Alattgli:).LlV-brit lie meant was, that as his opi nion.differed from theiri, he did not wish to say that they were-wrong, orjoiapable of judging for themselves. He agree eci with the Petitioners in every part -of their prayer except what related , to the Roman. Catholics. When he looked_to the ,printiples of the Revohition-,which was a Protestant Revolu tion—abd when he looked at the uniform conduct of the Catho lics throughout Europe, he Could never consent to put them on the level with the Established Church of England, or even with the Dissenters. 'rite petition was brought up and ordered to be rioted. 1 • _ 6ir.J. NEWPORT presented a petition from Waterford in favour of Catholic Enianipation, and another from the City of Belfast. This latter • petition was signed by the late High Sheriffand the present High Sheriff for the county of Down ; by the President Vice-President, and Members of. the Cham ber of Coinmeree in Belfast; by two Clergymen of the Esta- Chuich ; and by the entire Commercial Body of Bel fast, representing a property of five millions in vidue.—Or •dered lobe printed. • •SirJ.SEBRIGHT presented a petition against the Duty on Coals.—Ordered to be printed. -Mr. PLUNKETT presented a petiti on f rom 700 Protes .ptaTiiinttiopla.thi n e- o e ba ity ity of il D f. ub Ireland—by s It was signed by twelve of.,.the most of the bankers, most of the respectable merchants and traders of that city, eight or nine of whose names represented one million of property. The petition was so , just in its claims, so temperate in its Tanguage.; that he would read it to the. House. The Right Honourable Gentleman then read it, and it was ordered to be printed. . Lord NUGENT said that a petition from the British Ca tholics, signed by 21,000 persons had been put into his hands, but he would not occupy the- time of the }rouse by presenting it at pr ef ,erit, as they`must be anxious to•hear the motion of the Hon. Bart. (Sir F. Burdett.)-=(lear !) Some Members thewrose to p re sent petitions. Mr. BR,OUGHA3I said, that after his Noble Friend had consented to postpone a petition signed by 21,000 persons, and relating to the Catholic Claims, it was quit unfair for lion. embers to proceed with petition on other ir re l evant - matters . — (Hear !). • • • • - THE CATHOLIC PETITION. Sir FRANCIS BIaIDET'I be in g .now loudly called on from different parts of the House, rove to present a petition from the Catholics of Ireland" s igned by 100 5.000 persons. bite largest number of persons who had ever signed a petition to that House. The petition, forming an immense mass, was then laid upon the table. Sir F. BURDETT said, that filled as his niind ever was with anxiety and apprehension when he addressed the House, yet never had he felt that anxiety; `lnd apprehension so strong as at present, when he was called uptin to discharge a duty to which he was so inadequate. That duty he would have utterly declined, if he could have done so without a dereliction on his part of that warmth and zeal which he felt for the Catholic cause. When he called to mind the great talentS, the high character, and the splendid efforts which had been exerted in this cause by the late Mr. Grattan ;—when the figure of that venerated patriot passed before his eye in the glass of recollec tion ;—when he called to mind the fact that some of thegreatest men this country ever produced had laboured in the cause, and that the most distinguished living talents would probably be exerted in the course of the present discussion, he could not but feel the most extreme alarm and apprehension. It was, how ever, a great consolation that his deficiencies would be supplied by the abilities of those around him; and that his weakness would be supported by the strength of his cause. It was also a great consolation that the great talents on the other side of the House, which were generally opposed to him; would, on the present occasion, afford their aid to carry this important question. 'The Petition which he had just presented to the House, large as it was in size, and numerous as it was in signatures, was however but "a trifle light as air ;" and represented but an atom of the great Catholic body, whose pe titions, if they had been thought necessary, would have filled the whole space of that House up to its lofty roof. It Would be unjust to regard it as a petition affecting merely the Catho lics. It would be unjust to regard it as an Irish question only. It involved the interests of the people of England and the fate of the whole empire. The grounds on which the_ petition - rested were so strong and irresistable that he could not - conjecture how it could be overthrown. On the claim of justice, sound policy, right good faith, and public honour, the petition was immove ably founded on a rock. In considering the subject before the House, he would not weary their patience by adverting to the questions which they had so recently discussed, nor would he touch upon 'any points that were calculated to excite in the mind of any man the slightest angry feeling. (Hear ! ) He should on the contrary endeavour to advance the claims of the peti tioners, by Conciliating the feelings of all parties, and by en deavouring toifierge them into one strong sentiment of regard for the public interest. "He would avoid, therefore taking any retrospective, view of the history of Catholic and Protestant conflicts; he would avoid touching with unhallowed hand upon theatewly-closed wounds of Ireland ; and he would en deavour to reconcile the Catholics and their opponents, and shew how necessary it was to the advantage of both to put an end to the struggles and agitations which now existed in Ire land. In spite of the apparent tranquillity of that - country, it was absurd to suppose that such tranquillity would be per manent, unless some new measures were adopted. True, the Government of Ireland, by a wiser course of proceeding, and by a liberalization of the old policy of Ireland, had•indUced a temporary calm ; still it was rational to believe that the calm would be of short duration if justice were not done to the Catholics, and if effect were not given to the system recently begun. Effect and permanency never could be imparted to it by any thing else than full and immediate justice to the Catholics. With respect to their claims on the score of justice be would say that in times of real danger—in the times of the Revolution, When a new Government was established and the Old King expelled front the country on account of his arbitrary conduct, that even in such times no objection was made to the Catholic religion on any other than political grounds, that is, on account of its tendency to promote arbitrary power,— There were then two classes of Catholics—the religious Ca tholics, who remained quiet and undisturbed ; and the State Catholics, who comblunicated with Rome, and interfered in the - affairs of Government. In those times, when William was received by one party with open arms, and James, being expelled, fled to Ireland, the kingdoms were not united, and James still remained the legitimate Monarch of Ireland. In defending James, therefore, the Irish only did their duty._ They were not rebels; for they continued faithful to their King; we were the rebels who deposed hint. The freedom of the coun try was at 'Stake, and we were justified in what we did, but the Irish were not wrong in vindicating the cause of James, if they were satisfied with his conduct. After, however, James had shewn great pusillanimity ; after the Irish had bravely fought many battles in his behalf, and had often been defeated; after James had entirely abandoned them and William had made great advances in their good opinion, and the country was divided into two parties, and then it was that William sent over inst'ruct'ions to put an end to the war, and to tranquillize Ire land.' The Irish entered into a treaty, and on the condition that they should he allowed the free exercise of their religion, to gether with. some .other privileges, 'they readily submitted to the authority; of William, tho Ugh there was then a French fleet siding in the mouth of the Shannon. They signed the treaty of Limerick, yielded. up their artits, and were thenceforth to be - regarded,as Rritish subjects, Ireland became tranquil, and King William united all the force of the crhpire to resist Louis XIV„ establish 'the revolulloreand . consolittate his own power. The aubsequentinfractions tht' Treaty of Limerick were never meant, as securities 'against 'the- - 1 0attholies, for there was no need . ,of securities doeing`liie'es of' triumph and safety. In such times the feelitigS of tfibuiph gotthe better of sound po licy, the Treaty' was invadoti in all its provisions, and a code of laws was enacted,, the heaviest and severest that ever pressed upon , a nation's neck; In befter times, and he said .it with pleasure; those 'severe laws had been greatly relaxed. He wished the Catholics of Ireland would never forget that within a few years they had received the benefits of such a relaxa tion. It was better they should recollect the benefits con ferred than the injuries inflicted, for those benefits affbrded a hope of the still further relaxation of the disabilities which still remained. If the Catholics of . Ireland could forget the bitterness of their former opponents, recollect the ad vances of their cause during the last, reign, and conduct themselves with prudence and discretion, they must ultimately triumph in that HouSe. So long as Ireland remained tranquil, the ailed of England would continue to be enlightened on the subject of their claims. He did not look upon himself as the advocate of the Catholics of Ireland, nor of the people of Ireland, and still less of the Roman Catholic religion. But if he was not the advOcate of the Catholic religion, he was not its adversary, nor 'of any other religion. He was of opi nion that all religious sects ought to enjoy an equality of rights, if they were sound in their morality, and if they en couraged the virtue of their followers. The Catholic 'religion was as faithful in these respects as any other. For himself, he was brought up in the 'Church* of England, and would if left to his tree choice, prefer it to all others. ' No doubt it might s he modified to advantage in 011ie respects. With re specs to the Clergy of, the Church of England, a more enlight ened and a More liberel.hody of men did not exist.—(llcarl) He .said this without reference to the' ecclesiastical corpora tions; for all cOrp'orationsetvhether - lay or ecclesiastical, were of en intolerant and"trionopolizing spirit. The dottrines of the Church of England .taught him " to do to others as he Hwould be done unto," . ' and the Constitution, of England taught him that all who bore equal burthens.were entitled to ' ,equal rights. So far, therefore, front its being a Catholic ques tion, the Catholics themselves stand upon Protestant ground ; and in maintaining their petition, he did, it on the Protestantprin -1 ciples. It was a singular change in things, wheri f the - Catholics were now demanding their rights on the very groiindi on which the Protestants formerly sought to recover theirs from the Catho lics. The great objection now to granting the Catholic Claims was the power of the Pope. Respecting this danger a heap of imaginary fears had been conjured up, which had no connec tion m the world with reality.—(Hear !l—These prejudices were, learned in early life out of *miserable books, by' men whose minds made no athrance, and because their own minds stood Still, they argued that the Catholics they read . of were the same as those who existed now, whilst they were in realitydno more like each other than this world and the next. —(Hear !)—lt was a gear disadvantage to have to deal with men whose eductitionhad been perverted. It had been said, that " where ignorance is bliss 'tis folly to be wise ;" and . ' ignorance was indeed bliss compared with' the folly of those whose prejudiced minds were incapable of conceiving and acting upon those truths which led to human happiness. But, it was extraordinary to hear the fear of 'the Pope urged as an argument against the Catholic claims by that portion of the• 'Ministry which had been most eager to restbre . the 'Pope to his former power by a great expenditure of money and men. Ttey had rescued him from thraldom, reinstated him in au thetrity, and then they called upon the country to tremble be= fore the very phantom which they' had created. If, indeed' the power of the Pope Was so frightful, then the Ministers served to' he impeached who had created that power, by' ex pending treasure and contributing .sanlieee.. It' was, however, the most imbecile of all conceivable thin g s to make this an ar gument for depriving six millions amenof their rights. Those six millions were irritated, dissatisfied, and discontented, and it' shoidd be recollected, that at the present - moment, when the'balande -of power of Europe was dhatroyed—when two or three great Monarchs had usurped -the. controutof Eu rope—and when those Powers- were looking- with jealousy find alarm towards England—that it was the height of folly to-expose Fix millions of discontented subjects, -to the' 4lan ger of being invaded at every moment by these arbitrary, jealous, and grasping Powers. Ireland might, -if we• would only do her justice, be made an 'impassable barrier against all invaders ; but if justice were refused to her, :then she would give the invader every assistance, and stab the empire-in its most vital parts. If Great Britain was destined-to be awala lowed up, Ireland was the sea in which •we must• be swamped. Ireland was worth our alliance. She was the flaw in the heart of the Empire, which exposed us to destruction oir the first moment of attack. No man could forget the narrow escapes. of the last war. If the French fleet! in Bantry. Bay :had not been separated, and if the Commanders . had been on good terms, anti hail i of mistaken their duty, there teas !no doubt but that the interests of -England would .have suffered greatly. Nothing but the grossest.ignorance on the part of the' enemy could account for the attempt not having been repeated. But we ought not to expect any more such escapes, since Foreign Powers had, since the war, become.too well acquainted with the state of the.country. The Foreign Journals, conti nually reproach us with our sev e re and illiberal-conduit to wards Ireland. We ought to profit by this manifestation of foreign feeling, and endeavour by every _ennciliatory mea sure to consolidate-the strength of the Empire. 'lf the claims of the people of Ireland, resting, as h e sa id they did ; upon t h e good faith of treaties, resting as he said they did, upon every principle sacred between man, could -be refused on co good ground of danger, justice, or policy. Ev an -if th ere were danger in fulfillin g ligations so sacredly imposed, still no doubt could be entertained of the policy of fulfilling our own covenants. But when they were -bound by treaty and the faith of covenants, and commanded by true policy as well as all their best interests, it did seem to him to he the height of folly, and utterly irrational, that they should not complete the work they had begun, but stop with that parti cular exception which was sufficient to do away the benefit of all that had been done before. If these claims were granted, what would. the Petitioners obtain ? A few Catholic Gentle men would perhaps find their way into, that House, and some of the first Noblemen of this country would certainly take their seats in the House of Lords. The King's prerogative, which had hitherto -been restrained by these laws, would be extended so far that the - King would have the power of calling Catholic Gentlemen to high offices in the State. What was the danger Jn this ? Did they apprehend the existence of a Popish King upon the Throne? He should really be glad to know what was the danger apprehended; and until he did know it, he found it impossible to oppose it in argument. He thought the present time was peculiarly auspicious for granting the question. The people of England were no longer -alarmed upon the subject, and the Protestants of Ireland, he meant the better half of them in every sense, were anxious for the sake of their own peace and safety that it. should b e gran t e d.-- What then was the-truth ? Why that these restrictions were kept up to maintain a small faction ip' diet pampered and do tnineerina infitience; But he Wished to do a justice to the Orange men of freland, and he was able to do-it irons-having had the good fortune to be among them as well: as, the Catholics for a considerable time, and he had. found. ;amongst both parties the- utmost kindness-, benevolence, and.good conduct to their interiors, as country gentlemen and landed ,proprietors. Ex cepting the low, petty-fogging class -which Wing , on upon the system, and kept up all its violence and • factious spirit, it was his opinion that a more honourable and enlightened body of men did not exist than the Orangemen, of Ireland. Ile said this with the exception of that principle of domination over their Catholic brethren which was unfortunately imbibed in their education, and naturally arose out of the existing sys tem. Excepting this principle, they were as praiseworthy in their conduct, if not more so, than the landlord* of this coun try, and in saying that he believed he said of any other in the world. There was only this measure wanting-to remove the cause of that defect in thair character, and to induce them, in stead of living in a continual state of irritation and slim, to shake hands with their Catholic countrymen, and to secure that peace and tranquillity which they never could look for else. Ile called upon the people of England to support this question;•not only upon the ground of foreign danger, which lie believed to . be imminent, but for the saving of the expenditure which. land now cost this country. The Right Hon. Chancellor-of the Exeliequerhati last might stated some small reductions to be made, arid tlineagreatest advantages of which were, that they. would reliev'ethe parties from the grievance of collector ; but heie minefield for much wider daring.; here wits an opportunity ; dfn'tiCh larger economy. Let the people of Cuglandreliaale. themselae'-liem the millions which they paid to suppoit . th 6 preatirrayatem in Ireland.—( Hear, hear, hear 4-Llle...said then, that the people of England would do better to, kad: tliat• table with petitions in favour . of Catholic. Etruttiaipa'-, tion, than to talk about the reduction of those taxes, , whieh • they seemed to think of more importance than a question of - this magnitude. Returning again to the treaty of larnerwkii— • for - he would never abandon that position—he. could .oserve That there was another- treaty or compact, which though:un derstood, was never signed or producible—he meant . tkkat: which was called' the Union. But it h a d- on ly-p r o ve d: a Ijiitoit a parchments, when it was obtained by promising the people and making them believe that they. should partake the. benefits of liberal, equal., and just Government. They were told -4at all those advantages were to follow, and that capital ..Was.to flew into the country, and render. it. as peaceful and hapPy. as England herself. These expectations and promises had all been falsified, because this country had refused the measure upon which alone they all depended. .Why, then,. shotild they not now proceed to make the Union real, - snanot nominal, -by fulfilling the promises under which- it was obtainedlrom Ireland ? IVhen. the Marquis Wellesley was appointed to the Irish Government lie gave that Noble Lord creelit..for his in tentions, knoWing that his feelingsawere true; warm, honest, Irish feelings, such as were likely -to lead the Government to a change of policy, which; -instead of - making distinctions,be tween the two nations, would Consider them ,as one united people: He wished that the.discussion of:an Irish question, in that House, should be entered into in the . same -feelings With which they took up business relating- to Yorkshireor any oiher portion of the Empire: He give credit to Lord Wellesley . for what had been done, and if, as had. been-,said .by the J s - it lion. -Attorney . -General for Ireland, he had got tier .off:the breakers, and set her upon the tide, of prosperity, he hopedtthe vessel would 'continue to . ride safe, and,- above, all, thet a ahe would continue to be. well Manned. He also borer, aealftriotiy to the merits of - the Right Hon. Gentleman himself._ For whatever personal inconveniences he might l havt exposed'hiau self to by taking office under the present Government, questionably exercised great talents in hie-office, and With' great public advantage. He hoped the Right Honourable f.endaau would succeed in converting the only one of -his .coillt4tre 4 'who now remained hostile to the Catholics. He waa .oAptiy , to read in the fices of four -out of five of his MajestY",o...alkWs ters on the opposite bench, sentiments favourable tcl them #tid to their cause: To the. Catholics themselves -he-recommended union and moderation, and . he' hoped they .would feu of ~eir -cause to be advee ited in that Hou se a . where alone.it- eau,K is a advocated with advantage, and . where, aided as Principles of truth and reason, it.must ultimately prevail . rot impeded in its course by indiscretion of their. own: 1 - retlfaa told: to look at the prosperity of Ireland, as the - result of what had been already done by Lord - We/lealey!s Governiner4„7- if that were true, what a liarvestaniallit they not expect .if they 'Vent on labouring in such a fruitful soil ?..- He had fortiinately spent some time ip •Ireland—not„ iudeed,-admiring the beau ties of nature in which that country was so rich,- nor in enjoy ing those charms of hospitality; and society, which he believed a tr n ic d t ki w n h d e p re enp h l e e were carried further than in any other country—hitt njalaiag himself acquainted with the condition and wants. of the tic e of)'__ The Honourable Baronet then . .proceeded to describe, an in toe were : b h e a i b n i g ta t n he ts 'confirming what Sir J. Davis had said of them,. th t L ect 'them, and willing . to obey the law if the law .would P N x i s tence. 'With -such a people, then,„ and with 'a 'fertile .s mo ot. s a t rn i n ld oce d n i t s finest harbours, there that there were no -greaterlovers of the noblest rivers, surrounded -with the to render Ireland was nothing wanting but good govern j usiice o i i n i Well watered with l e rne w n ished not to cOunect a haply and a wealthy ccuntry. a . CO make it the first- step this qutstion with any other, _b “-baser -matter. Ile hoped wished it-to stand unmixed ne, " e l Ireland present cheerful hope hset,hidad eb:aeurleretijkl Days the vote of that night woald ;re v Was confident the House ivould the line qua non -upon which.ail find lastin future benefit.. fa s l a st, stroke to the new systern of tct be long- befOre it P i e t : un ite the two Ountries in the strong c usquisitioni,aipßOAligion itiass policY ' which "' lid tPonstitution. :":no , o t th er s•: o e u re ld to no p t ro tr c o e u ed b ::e e • ' - 0.. blioenudsSeoof,itthheanßyrietirth, ) , `“, ,),