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TRICKS OT STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. BanlklStock 21534 1414 New 5 per Cent. 3 per Cent. Red 903( % India Stock 269 S per Cent. Cons. 31% 2 Ditto Bonds 2B 29 pm. 334 per Cent. South Sea Stock 10134 Ditto Red 98636% Old Annuities — Nrw 334 per Cent .. ... . ..996% New Ditto — 3 per Cent. Ann. 1726 .. 3 per Cent. Ann. 1751 — 4 per Cent. 1826 101%304 Ex. Bills, X 1,000...... 46 48 pm. Bank Long Ann. to expire Ditto 500 46 48 pm. Jan. 5, 1860 1 734 1-16 Ditto Small Oet.lo, 1859 Ditto Commercial pm. Jan. 5, 1860 —. Ditto Advertised — pm. Jan, 5, 1880 — Bank for Account 21534 Aprils. 1880 — India for Account .. Jan. 5, 1870 — Cons. for Account 9234 lc 236 TRICKS OF FOREIGN FUNDS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. Austrian Bonds .. 1003 I Peruvian Bonds 24 Belgian Bonds 4—.99% I Ditto Account 24 • Ditto Account 993¢ ' Portuguese Bonds 76% Brazilian Bonds .... ..... 7434 5% Ditto Account 76% Ditto Account " 5 36 6 i Ditto New Bonds 76 3 4 76% Buenos Ayres Bonds 29 Ditto*Acconnt...77 6% 7 1 4 7 Ditto Account 29% Prussian Bonds 10354 3 Chilien Bonds .... .......... ....29 3 4 , Ditto Bonds, 1822 lO3 Ditto Account 29% ;Russian Bonds, 1822 ... 105%14 Columbian Bonds Ditto Account .2154 I Ditto 111 Ditto Bonds, 1924 2 7 1%4 Spanish Bonds, 1821....37% 1 414 Di to Account 273 r I Ditto Acc....37365 M 6'6 7% Danish Bon i -. 4% Ditto Bonds 192 3 ...... 34% % Ditto Account 74 38 ' Ditto Account 34% Oreek 80nd5.................... French Rentes, sp. c. —f —c. Ditto 80nd5,1825, 3330 --- Exchange ...... —f. —c. Ditto Account...." -- 41 per cent...—. —f —C. Mexican Bonds, 5 per cent 314 ; Exchange ...... —f —c. Ditto Account ..... " Dutch, 21 p. c. 51% Litt o, 6 per cent 42 Ditto Account 51%14 Ditto Account. 4234 2 , Ditto, sp. c 96% Neap01itan................."."..943{r , Ditto Account 965434 PRICES OF SHAKES THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. Paid. Per Share, Alton Mining Company £9 11% Anglo Mex. Min. moo. kiss. at W. pm ) £lOO 9 Bolanos Mining Company .... ........ .....£ l5O 130 Brazilian Mining Company 5 IK Brazilian imp. MM. Co. (iss. at 51. pm.) £2O Ditto Macaubas Cocaes j 20 Ditto St. John Del Rey Cats Branca Mining Company 3 34 British Iron Minim. Comnany £so Columbian Minin6 Co. (iss. at 5/. pm.) 5214 English Mining Company 12% Qeneral. Mining Association l2 Hibernian Mining Co. £lo Mexican Mining Co. £4954 goal del Monte Mining Co....(unreg.) --. Baited Mex. Min. Co. (iss. at 21. pm.) 40 Ditto New Scrip 5 Alliance Fire Insurance Comp 0 Protector Insurance Comp. Australian Co. Canada Company .......... ....... ..... Owen] Steam Navigation Co. ..... National Provincial Bank of England 15 61U6„ 19 6y R 31 10% 25 12g 34)6 5 11% SI 7 0 314 484 15% 13% MOH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TO-MORROW. Morning ... 4 minutes 'after 1. I Evening... 26 minutes after !. R 0 THE NEW ROMANCE. 0 K W 00 D is now ready : and may be obtained of all Booksellers. 1.1% f ••••••••41 LONDON, MONDAY EVENING, MAY 5, 1834. The second reading of the Poor Laws Bill stands for this evening, but owing to the debate on the Pension List, which will probably oc cupy the whole night, it will most likely be de ferred till to-morrow or Friday. Members will thus have longer time to consider more fully the provisions of a bill which is of the very first importance, not to the landed interest only, but to every person with or without property in the kingdom. In discussing the principles of a bill of such magnitude, it is not too much to ask mem bers to lay aside all party feeling—all local preju dices, and to forget, as an impartial and faith ful jury is bound to do, the attacks made on it by public writers ; or at least endeavour to dis tinguish the objections founded on argument from those raised for political or selfish pur poses. We have hardly known any measure— not even the Reform Bill—of which such di versified opinions have been given ; one party describing it as a well concocted and feasible plan for abating the evils of the poor laws, while others have branded it as a barefaced attempt to introduce arbitrary government—to establish a second Star Chamber—to concoct a sort of council of bashaws with nine satellites, or, in the words of Dr. SPRY, of Marylebone, as a " measure more calculated than any other to destroy the liberties of the country." It is not only a perversion of language, but an unfair use of power and in fluence, for persons of his rank to make such sweeping declarations without argument or without any attempt to point out or re medy the defects, because vast numbers will join in the howl, and follow in the train of such leaders without giving one thought on the subject, or taking the least trou ble to ascertain whether the measure, in place of being bad, may not be one of the most rea sonable and of the most beneficial tendency. We cannot help thinking that such persons would be acting more as became their station were they to join cordially with the govern ment in abating a system which, all admit, is becoming every day more and more alarming, in place of affording a pretext, nay a good ex- cuse,for the selfish opposition of all the jobbers in every parish—the robbers of the poor—the town and village attorneys, anxious only for parish litigation and lavish expenditure. The great outcry is against the extensive powers— the unlimited powers, as they are described— to be intrusted to the Board of Commissioners. Now, we cannot see how these powers can be so alarming, when they are not only to be placed under the control of the Government, but under the control of Parliament—to require the sanction of the Home Secretary, and to be liable to the revision of both Houses every ses sion. Indeed, the checks appear to us so strong, that no man with common sense could venture with impunity to make any violent or i m proper use of them. No rule can be made without the sanction of the Government, or,what amounts to the same, the Home Secretary, and all the Commissioners and assistant Com missioners am removable at the pleasure of the Crown. The Judges are appointed for life, or as long as they perform their duty faithfully, but these Commissioners have no such security —they are as much under the control of Go vernment as Government is under the control of Parliament, and may be dismissed with as little ceremony as a cornet of dragoons, or a lieutenant in the navy. But, independently of the control of the Crown, there is another check—namely, a board of guardians, who are to be chosen by the rate payers, and the owners of property in each parish, or each district of united parishes. These guar dians are to appoint treasurers and other officers. Without the consent of a majority of them, or a majority of the rate-payers, no workhouses can bq *) hp- - to ascertain and assess the - Toot , :‘ ,i , z at.. p ( e-. , 1 • . r . teable to the relief of the sment is to be subject, as 1 before the justices at essions. Strong objec• , '-, a sed to the clause whirl empowers the commissioners to commit persons for contempt, but it is quite clear they must have some means of enforcing their orders, else the board would be a pure nullity. This clause, however, is liable to objection_a li mited fine would answer all the purposes. An appeal, too, to the quarter-sessions, or some superior court, ought possibly to be allowed in more cases, and the severity of some of the clauses might easily be so modified in committee, as to, obviate all reasonable objections, but it is quite evident these modifi cations cannot be made unless the subject be discussed with calmness and impartiality, and recourse be had rather to argument than strong assertions and violent denunciations. Nothing is more easy than to raise an outcry against a measure in which so many selfish interests are involved. A similar outcry was raised against the Police Bill, and re-echoed by the same parish authorities and their supporters, but the Government had the firmness to per severe, and that bill is now almost by universal consent admitted to be the most just and bene ficial measure ever adopted for the protection of the metropolis. We trust the Whig Govern ment will show the same courage as their pre decessors, and press on some measure of this description, which is not only imperiously de manded by the metropolis, but by the whole country. The Tories have, we regret to find, tri umphed in Perthshire. They do not like a joint-stock university, but see no impropriety in a joint-stock purse. A Tory Lord, who did their business in Perthshire, will understand us. We are told that the arrangements for the return of Sir GEORGE were made long before the death of the Marquis of BREADALBANE, and that some noble persons were willing to agree to lower their rents, in order to restore the Tory reign in this county. It is said that, on hearing of the above event, the Chancellor of the University of Oxford was nearly distracted at his apprehensions of so vi rulent a church and college reformer, as Sir GEORGE MURRAY now is, coming into Parliament. He knows the value of any de claration from that gallant commander, better than the electors of Perthshire. The nature, and the inflexibility of their principleb, is thoroughly understood be tween those great military politicians. Indeed the singular consistency with which they op posed and supported, resisted, connived at, and espoused (for they did all three) the repeal of the Test Act and Catholic Emancipation, and the readiness they have always shown to treat both parliamentary and ecclesiastical reform in the same manly, honourable, and straight-for ward manner, is the great bond of union be tween them and the Tories, and it is that qua- lity which inspires such entire confidence in all their actions and designs, and endears them to such disciples of the DUNDAS school in Scotland as the progress of improvement has left. To the same trait of character they are pro bably indebted for the anxiety which some Dis senters are said to manifest for their return to power. Possibly Sir GEORGE has only been doing in Perthshire what one of the same party did in Ireland previous to the Noble Duke's recommendation of Catholic emancipation. The latter is very fond of prompt and effective measures, and there may possibly be some un derstanding between him and Mr. WILK s, that if the present Ministers can be turned out on the Church Rate Bill with the aid of Dis senters, his Grace will recommend to his Majesty to break up the alliance between the Church and the State. Dr. PHILLPOTTS may have found out that there is nothing in the King's oath to prevent his acquiescence in such a measure, and provided all the good things are left to the clergy, and the control of Parliament is removed from the Church, some other distinguished persons, as well as Lord HENLEY and his friends among the dis senters, may think such a step unobjectionable. We confess we shall not be greatly surprised at a coalition between the Duke, Lord HENLEY, and some of the dissenters, on an understanding that Church and State are to be severed - . But what will be done with the Pension List ? Will Mrs. ARBUTHNOT be sacrificed? Or will Mr. HARVEY form part of the coalition Ministry? We have heard, that in case King, Lords, and Commons should declare Dissenters ad missible to the education and honours given at our existing Universities, the tutors at Oxford have resolved to strike work, in imitation of the journeymen tailors, and we fear that, instead of following the excellent and praiseworthy example of the master tailors, whose conduct cannot be too highly commended, the Heads of Houses will support their journeymen in this act of contumacy. How little has Oxford changed since King CHARLES'S golden days. The fa mous decree is indeed burnt ; but the sparks or dying embers thereof still animate the mass. " Onznia nzutantur nihil interit." The right divine is transferred from the throne to the colleges, and from passive obe dience the transition is but slight to the passive resistance which it is now about to proclaim. How comes it that while all around is in mo tion, this venerable gentlewoman stands for ever still ? If she ever submits to innovation, the improvement, whatever it be, must have ac quired in some degree the stamp of antiquity before it is admitted within her walls. There are many creatures so framed by nature, that, like the hunted hare, their eyes are continually turned backwards, and never forwards. It is a subject of wonder how Oxford was so soon re conciled to the Reformation. It appears, from a Sunday Paper, that up to a late hour on Saturday, the Journeymen Tailors' Union had not given way. Such, however, is said to be the want of confidence among them, that the men are ordered to muster four times a day at their respective lodges, when their names are called over. The design is, of course, to prevent their working. The allow ance is reduced to Bs. per week, out of which a fine of 2s. 6d. is deducted from those who are absent at the call-over. This cannot last long. If they have large funds, why should the men receive such a pittance ? We suppose that their leaders may be well paid. They talk of inade quate wages—what comparison does this allow ance bear to their actual wages when at work ? The injustice and tyranny of the Union Lords will soon be found insupportable.. The master tailors have only to continue firm. They de serve well of their country. We are happy to learn that a select committee of the House of Commons has agreed to recom mend a vote of .5,000/. to the gallant Capt. Ross. It appears by accounts from Zurich, dated April 26, that the King of BAVARIA has de clined the proposal made to his government by the Directing Canton to renew commercial re lations. The reason assigned is the engage ments he has made with the German States who have joined in the new commercial union, and the late political occurrences in Switzerland. The few Poles remaining in the Canton of Berne have applied to the Council to seek an asylum for them in Belgium. The Prince DE LIGNE has arrived at Frank fort from Belgium. The French Papers of Saturday and yes terday's date have been received. Paris is tranquil. The Chamber of Deputies reduced the grant for Algiers 250,000 francs (10,0001.) Marshal SOULT wished to form two camps at Versailles and Compiegne. One only is to be formed. Another is to be formed at Lyons. According to an article from Cairo, in the Allgemeine Zeitung, the trade of Syria is very bad, and its resources exhausted by the war and the demands of MEHEMET Am. The crops are represented as being universally small, owing to the drain of agricultural labourers. Several of the European Consuls, residing at Alexandria, have accompanied MEHEMET ALI to Cairo. The PACHA will go to Alexandria this month. MEHEMET may help the country and re plenish his own treasury by some arrangement with the Jews, who are to this day as anxious to reside in the land of their fathers as ever. If his government affords them effectual protec tion, they will go from all parts of the world, and establish commercial relations, which Eng land may turn to good account. The Journal de la Haye, of` the 2d inst., states, that M. THomsoN, bookseller at Rot terdam, was arrested on the 30th, the presses of his printing office put under seal, and all his papers seized. It adds, that from information received at Rotterdam, it appears that M. THomsoN, who was the editor of the Etandard, was in correspondence with one of the Belgian ministers, and that it was supported by assist ance from Brussels. The speech of the Dutch Minister, in closing the session, seems to indicate a speedy settle ment with Belgium. A Cabinet Minister (Jurro T) had arrived from Vienna. The same paper states, that "on the 24th of November, shocks of an earthquake had been felt at Batavia, Palambang, and Singapore. At Menado, in Celebes, the whole of the Chinese camp and part of the adjacent native plantations were destroyed by fire in August last. DUTCH FUNDS—AMSTERDAM, MAY 2. Actual Debt, 2% per Cent. Amort Syndic, 4% per cent. 89% to 923 Ditto, ditto, 3% per cent. 72% to 73 Loan of 1830, 5 per cent lOO to 101 Ditto, 183 a 2nd 1833, 5 per Cent 965,; to 97 Exchange on London 12 15 12 12 5-10 Ditto, two months 12 10 1207 5-10 The King of DENMARK is adopting a just and wise course, with regard to the Danish islands in the West Indies. By an ordinance of the 18th, all distinctions between the free subjects of the KING, with regard to colour, are abolished. Those people of colour who may hereafter obtain their freedom, are to be placed in the full enjoyment of equal civil rights after they have conducted themselves in an un exceptionable manner for three years, and the same rule is to apply to coloured people coming from other countries. The Government is to give a certificate of their good conduct. The President of the German Diet, Count VON MUNCH BELLINGHAUSEN, has pur chased a splendid house in Vienna, where it is inferred that he will cease to act in that capa city. The deliberations of the conference are still kept secret. Dr. WIRTH was conveyed on the night of the 22d to the prison at Kai serslautern. On the way sixteen persons rushed out of a thicket, and fired on the carriage, kill ing one of the horses and wounding one of the gendarmes. Dr. WIRTH remained in the car riage declaring to the assailants that he would not take advantage of liberty so obtained. The American papers to the Ist of April have reached us. It appears that a great stir has been caused by the stoppage of the Bank of Maryland, in Baltimore. A run was made on the Union Bank, Washington,.on the 24th. The Brussels Papers state that Captain BEAULIEU, aide-de-camp to General GOBLET, has left Brussels for Berlin to resume his office as Charge d' Affaires. It is reported that M. MEULENAERE will be appointed Minister Plenipotentiary to Berlin in the room of M. GOBLET. The rail-road bill has received the royal assent and the work is to commence in A fortnight. The Franc Parleur says there is no idea whatever of demolishing the fortifications of our frontier towns, for between the 16th of last March and to-day, the usual contracts have been made for keeping in order from the Ist of May (this day) to the 30th of April next year, the military buildings, bridges, and roads of Mons, Charleroi, Philippville, Marienburg, Namur, Dinant, Arlon, Tournay, Ath, and Bouillon. . . _ BELGIAN FUNDS.—BRUSSELS, MAY 1. Actual Debt, 2 IA per Cent. 5l Rothschild's Loan, 5 per Cent 97 Loan of the City, 1832, 4 per Cent 93 Y 4 —Brussels Papers, May 1. A little, pompous, dumpy gentleman was telling that he had applied for an addition to his arms• I would advise you," said a sarcastic friend, to get one at the same time for your legs." IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, THIS DAY, MONDAY, MAY 5. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKEA took the chair at the usual hour. The Poolbridge and Hebborn Railway Bills were read a third time. A petition was presented by Mr. GILLON, from Lanark, in favour of the Wishaw Railway Bill, and one against portions of the Lanark Railway Bill. Mr. EWEN brought up the report of the Glasgow and Shotts road. The amendments were read a second time. Mr. HARLAND submitted the report of the Hartle pool Railway Bill. The Glastonbury Parishes Bill was read a third time. A petition was presented by Mr. CHILDERS from masters of vessels, against the Wisbeach Improvement Bill. The report of the Southampton Railway Bill was brought up by Mr. SHAWE LEFEVRE. The Grand Junction Railway Bill was read a third time, on the motion of Mr. WILSON PATTEN. -- Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a petition in favour of the Hammersmith Parish Bill. - On the motion of Mr. ROBINSON the British Ame rican Land Bill was read a third time. Mr. TENNYSON presented a petition against the South London Waterworks. CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY. Mr. HUTT did not rise for the purpose of entering into any discussion on the subject of the petition presented to the house on Friday last by the right hon. gentleman. But as a member of the Cambridge senate, he could not forbear expressing his surprise that such a peti tion should have been presented to the house at all, and especially that it had been presented by the right hon. gentleman the member for the university , of Cambridge. When he (Mr. H.) was an under-gra duate at that university, an attempt was made by the un dergraduates to petition that house in favour of the Ca tholic claims, but the effort was immediately and impera tively put down by the public authorities—it was de nounced as a proceeding altogether at variance with aca demical discipline, and the severest penalties which the university could inflict were threatened if the effort were proceeded with. The university, it seemed, hadnow changed their views on this subject, it was now quite proper, and in accordance with the discipline of the university, to sign petitions in the cause of bigotry and intolerance, although, when in better time, and in better spirit, it was attempted to further the cause of civil and religious hberty, the effort was loudly censured by the authorities. Mr. GOULBURN said, that the hon. member did not seem to be aware that the petition, which he had the honour to present, had been circulated in the university, and that no compulsion had been used in getting it up. Mr. HAWKINS (as we understood) said, that if any inference could be drawn from the petition, it was that the students had departed from the usual strictness of aca demical discipline. On a former occasion, the heads of the university had opposed the introduction of any peti tion, and now they had come forward to petition against the admission of dissenters. It was a proof that these persons were not always consistent. Mr. GOULBURN said when he presented the pew tition, he had himself deprecated the departure from aca demical discipline. But when one portion of the members had• thought proper to present a petition, the other must surely be excused for a similar departure from the usual custom, or submit to the imputation of having compro mised their principles. Mr. LLOYD said if any inference could be drawn - from the petition presented by the right hon. member, it was that the young men who who had signed it had been edu cated after a very exclusive fashion. After a few words from Mr. GODSON, the petition was laid on the table. The SPEAKER wished to ascertain the sense of the house as to the course which should be adopted relative to the presentation of petitions from dissenters against church rates. He believed it was understood that they would be presented this morning. After a few words from Mr. WILKS and Sir GEORGE GREY, Colonel HANMER presented a petition from Ayles bury in support of the established church. Mr. GILLON complained that hon. members who had petitions on various subjects to present, would be deprived of the opportunity of doing so if none but dissenters peti tions were received. It would put an end to the business of the house if such a course was adopted. Mr. TOOKE said he had been 14 or 15 days waiting for an opportunity to present petitions; which the proposed arrangement would prevent his doing. The SPEAKER said if the hon. members had been in their places, they would have been aware that the arrange ment to which he had alluded had been made on a former day. (Hear.) He left it to hon. members to exercise their own discretion as to the presentation of petitions upon which discussion was likely to arise. Mr. G. EVANS presented a petition from a place in the county of Dublin, against the Kingtown Railway Bill. The hon. member said he had a petition to present from the fishermen of Skerries, but as the right hon. the Se cretary for Ireland was not in his place, he would not pre sent it on the present occasion. Mr. GODSON presented a petition from Kiddermin ster, praying for a remission of the sentence passed on the Dorchester unionists ; also one from the same place, signed by 1,360 persons, praying for a repeal of the corn laws. Mr. BETHEL presented several petitions from places in the county of York, against any alteration in the corn laws ; also, a petition from the corporation of Hull, against the General Registry Bill ; and another petition from the clergy, gentry, and freeholders, of the county of York, against the Sluice Bill. DISSENTERS' PETITIONS. Sir G. GREY ires;nted petitions from the dissenters of Devonport, and various other places, praying for relief. Also, from the clergy and inhabitants of Stonehouse, for the better observance of the Sabbath. Mr. TOOKE presented a petition from the dissenters of Truro, 'p,,cying for relief ; and from the dissenters of Bushey, and various other places, to the same effect. The hon. member said that he felt strongly, in common with the whole body of dissenters, the disappointment they had experienced in the measure of relief that was held out to them, particularly in that crude abortion, the Marriage Bill. The same hon. member presented two petitions from the parishes of St. George the Martyr, and St. Andrew's, Holborn—one against the Poor Laws' Amendment Bill, and the other against the Parish Vestries'Amendment Bill. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a petition from the deputies of 100 dissenting congregations within 12 miles of London, expressing their surprise and disappointment at the measure brought forward for their relief. The petitioners were men of great wealth, influence, and high character ; their opinion therefore ought to have weight in that house. They concluded by stating, that unless something more was done than was proposed by the present bill, the Dissenter would still have great cause to complain. The hon. member presented petitions from two dissenting congregations in London, to the same effect. Mr. WILKS supported the petition, which he said was signed by upwards of one hundred of the deputies of the different congregations of the metropolis. It was agreed to at a meeting where the utmo§t unanimity pre vailed, and the firmest declarations of their full intention to demand their rights ; and they . found a difficulty in re pressing the expressions of their indignation at the line of conduct pursued by his Majesty's government towards them. (Hear.) In fact there was scarcely a town or parish in the kingdom in which the dissenters were not prepared specifically to petition for the removal of their disabilities, and especially for relief from church rates. If they were disregarded and disappointed, they would be compelled to come forward in a more decided manner, because they would naturally be led to inquire into the source of the evils of which they complained, and on discovering that the source of all their grievances was the :intolerance of the church, it would not be wonder ful if they were heard in united millions demanding the separation of church and state. (Hear, hear.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL said there were two objections generally urged on this question of church rates—one was that the means already at the disposal of the church were sufficient to support it. But that was no argument. It was neither expedient, nor wise, nor just, to insist that the church should maintain itself out of the funds it al ready possesses, without the aid of government. But the objection urged now, by the honourble member, was one of principle, that persons differing fromthe church in religious opinions ought not to be compelled to support it. It might be very right, certainly, fon' dissenters to argue thus, but it was a principle utterly subversive of the of the church establishment. (Hear, hear.) He was sorry to see Protestant dissenters were pushing the government on to a decision on the question of the separation of the church and state ; on that question his mind was made up, and his line decided on. He was for removing any practical grievances, but he was for maintaing a church establishment, and would decidedly oppose anything that went to subvert it. Mr. HUME said he had eight petitions from England, Ireland, and Scotland, praying each for the removal of dif ferent grievances, and some for the separation of the church and state. The noble lord ought to consider the line of pro ceeding he had chalked out for himself. He thought an esta blished church ought to exist in each country, but that church should be founded on the doctrines of the majority of the people. Domestic peace was a great point to se cure, and did the noble lord think that the myriads of dissenters in this country would sit down quietly, and make no effort to be relieved from the griev ances of which they justly complain? (Hear, hear. ) His (Mr. H.'s) desire was not that any unreasonable con cession should be made, but what was consistent with jus tice. The advance of piety was not as great as might be expected, considering the large means enjoyed by the established church for that purpose The measures intro duced by the noble lord (John Russell) were ineffective in adjusting the difficulties that attended the proper redress of grievances, and preserve the intetests of the Church. He (Mr. H.) was not for taking away the property of the Church ; he only wished to see that property fairly dis tributed (Hear) ; he wished to do away with pluralities. All violent changes were bad, but to prevent them something should be done to satisfy the demands of the dissenters. Mr. HARVEY said he was anxious to read an extract from a letter he had received from a dissenting clergyman in Carlisle, complaining of the inefficiency of Lord John Russell's Mock Relief Bill, and Lord Althorp's unrighteous measure in affording relief to dissenters. The plea of supporting the established church because it was a national religion, was a very weak one ; in fact, the Roman Catho lic religion was really the national religion : it was the oldest religion, except paganism. (Great laughter. ) The established church would fall, unless supported by salutary measures. He agreed in the observation made a few mornings since by the hon. member for Lambeth, that the kingdom of God was not of this world, but every church connected with the state was of this world. Mr. FINCH agreed with the hon. member who had spoken last, that the kingdom of our Saviour was not of this world, but he knew of no connection between church rates and religion. The church was not opposed to im provement which would tend to promote its religious in terests. Its members were opposed to the taxation of the clergy and the distinction of bishoprics ; but if any plan of real and substantial improvement was intro duced, whether it related to pluralities, or non residence, or any matters of that nature, he (Mr. Finch) and those who thought with him, would, instead of oppos ing it, give it their cordial sanction and support. (Hear. ) The tax of which the dissenters complained did not average 3d. per head on the whole population of the empire. Ile believed that no measure introduced by government would satisfy the dissenters. Nothing would satisfy them but a separation between the church and the state. (Hear.) At future elections the cry would no longer be " Whig" or Tory," but " Church, or no Church." (Hear, and a laugh.) If the hon. member knew any thing of the prin ciple upon which a church establishment was founded, it was that the Government, believing a religion te, be true, should endeavour to promote and protect it. If the Ro man Catholic religion.was true, could the Protestant be . at the same time true ? If the Protestant religion was true, must not the Roman Catholic be founded in error? He (Mr. Finch) must therefore protest against such ob servations proceeding from the mouth of an honourable member professing the Protestant religion. (Mr. O'Con nell here made an observation.) He was not arguing with the hon. and learned member for Dublin, for he thought that house should not be the arena for theological discus sion. (Hear.) It was a fact that in many places the Protestant population had not church room, and he hoped that one of the first measures the government would bring in, would be one for the multiplication of churches. Mr. HUME explained. Mr. O'CONNELL agreed that the Catholic church ought not to be the established church of Ireland, for a very different reason to that given by the hon. member, namely, because he thought it the true church, and he was convinced that the true church was always in jured by any connection with the state. (Hear, hear. ) As to the rights of the dissenters of England he thought their entire demands ought to be conceded ; they had as good a right to be dissenters as the hon. member had to be a protestant. The hon. member for Stamford said that it was honest in the dissenters to ask for the separation of church and state. It was a new maxim that honesty was not the best policy. (A laugh.) He (Mr. O'Connell) was convinced that the dissenters would never get any thing granted unless they asked for it, and boldly too. As far as he could he would vote for every extension of re lief the dissenters asked, but he was ready to condemn their conduct, and he had a right to do so, with respect to the sabbath observance bill. The principle was that the cha-ch and state should be separated • that the state should not interfere with religion ; that there should be no Act of Parliament piety, and yet called upon that house to legislate fo i the better observance of the sab bath. (Hear, hear, hear.) Now what could be more inconsistent than this—they objected to the principle of a connection between church and state, and, in the same breath, they called for the interference of the State in a matter that should be wholly religious. Shame upon the Dissenters for supporting any legislative enactment interfering with religious faith or practice ! They disgrace their sacred cause, and come down from the high ground of their sacred prin ciples. (Hear, hear.) He could not but express his dislike and astonishment at that kind of liberality which was expressed, and which just went to the extent of the Thirty-nine Articles, and that, too, by those who cut off the last 12 articles of the creed of Pope Pius IV. ; but as soon as the unfortunate dissenter took up the same scissors to cut off from the 39 they were scouted and denounced. (Hear, and laughter. ) Sir EARDLEY WILMOT said it would be desirable to have a return of all the sinecures and salaries in the church, for which no service was performed, and that he would propose, instead of twenty-five years' purchase of tithes, the term should be twenty-six years ; and that each incumbent should support their respective churches, both inside and outside. Mr. GALLON agreed with the hon. member behind him (Mr. Finch) that the time would soon come when the question would not be Whig or Tory, but church or no church. (Hear.) He trusted the dissenters would not depend upon the promises of ministers, but would never rest till they had obtained an entire and full separation of church and state. (Hear.) Sir D. SANDFORD, whenever the subject was brought properly before the house for discussion, would be enabled to show then, that what the dissenters now asked for was a plunder of property (Hear, hear, and cries of " No, no,") and a total disregard of all rights. After a few words from Mr. HUME, . _ Mr. AGLIONBY was anxious to know what the sepa ration of church and state meant. In Ireland the church should certainly have no alliance with the state. Mr. F. SHAW presented three petitions from places in Ireland for a better observance of the Sabbath ' • likewise two against the practice of fish-curing ; one from Cumber land against the Registry Bill ; and one from Newport against the Reciprocity Duties. Mr. JAMES EWING presented four petitions ; three from the county of Devon, and one from the town of Pembroke, for the better observance of the Sabbath.— Ordered to lie on the table. v Mr. MARK PHILLIPS presented a petition from the inhabitants of Manchester and its vicinity, dis senters and others, praying for a separation between the church and state; to be relieved from the payment of tithes and church rates, and that the bishops may be excluded from sitting in the House of Lords. The peti tion was signed by 32,000 persons. The hon. member cordially supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. GISBORNE supported the petition. After a few words from Sir T. WROTTESLEY, Mr. Max- WELL, and Mr. M. PHlLmers in explanation, the peti tion was ordered to lie on the table. It being three o'clock, the Speaker left the chair. About 90,0001. in silver and copper coin has already been sent out to the British West India Islands, and about 300,000/. more is to be sent out as opportunities occur. This money will be distributed in payment to the troops, to the seamen, and in other ways that require a coin circulation, the object being to supersede the Spanish dollar, and its machinery of calculation in the colonies exclusively English. This has been already done with success at Halifax, Ber muda, and Newfoundland. A few days since, as some men were digging, the foundation for a house in the suburbs of Dorches ter, near the end of the North Walk, they found a e o a skeleton embedded in the chalk. It lay in a g rave east and west, and amongst the bones we re p icked up four or five nails with little portions o f a coffin. The size of the bones indicated a m an of middle stature ; and from the perfectness of the teeth, both in the upper seem soaums eethatsa personshleitmt must snt lowerha dig gingv eThe h dieddow down, a. in ,th n d e t u h d rf e io l n uopgwnd im a r t e j in w lastof foundations for llf year, it e. found several other some would r the ske letons similarly embedded in the chalk, and near one of them a small urn, which is still preserved by the man who found it—Salisbury Herald. NAUTICAL SERMON. When Whitfield preached before the seamen at New York, he had the following bold apostrophe in his sermon Well, my boys, we have a clear sky, and are making fine head way over a smooth sea, before a light breeze, and we shall soon lose sight of land. But what means this sudden lowering of the heavens, and that dark cloud arising from beneath the western horizon? Hark, don't you hear distant thunder? Don't you see those flashes of lightning ? There is a storm gathering ! Every man to his duty I How the waves dash against the ship ! The air is dark I The tempest rages 1 Our masts are gone ! The ship is on her beam ends What next ?" It is said that the unsuspecting tars, reminded of former perils on the deep, as if struck by the power of magic, arose, with united voices and minds, and exclaimed, " Take to the long boat." Debate, real debate, is the characteristical eloquence of the House of Commons ; and be assured that the India-house, a vestry, a committee, and other meetings of business are far better preparatory schools for Parliament than debating societies are. In these latter, self-possession and fluency may be learnt ; but vicious habits of declamation, and of hunting for ap plause, are too often formed. I remember being told, that in the first meetings of a society at a public school, two or three evenings were consumed in debating whe ther the floor should be covered with a sail cloth or a carpet ; and I have no doubt that better practice was gained in these important discussions than in those that soon followed on liberty, slavery, passive obedi ence, and tyrannicide. It has been truly said, that nothing is so unlike a battle as a review.—Sharp's Letters and Essays. rift • they are to pfdpeEty rate r, a . d lresent, to apl3sea y or gencrafl s( s lave been -fraiF. ROLLS' COURT.-(THIS DAY.) THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL V. CHRIST ' S HOSPITA L. In this case the information was filed by the Attorney' General, at the relation of the parish officers of St. Mr drew Undershaft, for the purpose of obtaining the deer !! of the Court, that the Lord Mayor and Alderm en of tli! City of London, as Governors of Christ's Hospital, wet! bound to deliver up the possession of certain land whit!' they had enjoyed for more than one hundred and fifty yeargr it having originally come into their han ds through f• breach of trust. In the year 1620, a Mr. Robert BO bequeathed to the churchwardens of St. Andrew Und er i Under shaft the sum of 1001. to purchase land of the va lue e, not less than 51. a year, which sum was to be distributeo among 24 poor inhabitants of the parish, eithe r in penuneC loaves every Sunday or in money. On the death of Mr. 1 3 dive an his widow gave additional sum of 1001. upon the d' Mme trusts. With the two sums in question, with an a f land , of 451. procured by the churchwardens, a quantitY°, called " Fishes," in the parish of Muckingford , r'a s " er ty bury, was purchased, and the conveyance of that talpre'', of recited that it was on behalf of the poor of the parin.b. St. Andrew Uundershaft. In the year 1677 the q r , ' officers of that parish sold the property in question t° osi , Forster, who devised the property to Christ s H p had been in possession of it ever since. 4-1"' 0 erseet Mr. PEMBERTON appeared as counsel for u.. - cso v . s of St. Andrew's, contending that the parish trust, selling the property had committed a breach of trus that his clients were therefore entitled to have the prop e" given up_. H imu i ea f j a Mr. ISICKERSTET and Mr. Pmoar ni ,„„ ear fien- Christ's Hospital, submitting that no proof had been oth the that the property in question had been purchased nr-hrises money left by Mr. and Airs. Buck, and that if it was, s af, twoh disturb th e par possessiony w a s c of f n v o e n y e e d . Hospital had no notice that the property in question "b efor e fected with a charitable trust. On the case corning " l ois the Court on Friday, it was ordered to stand over lon i a by day, for the purpose of having the deeds produce 11 . 18 HONOUR this morning, at the conclusion o f the t :; guments, stated that although he was extremelY reh :srs , yet, looking at the whole case, he could not res,' s .th conclusion that the property in question was tee the money bequeathed by Mr. and Mrs. 13 " 1 " ing the case, and the legislature having prescribed n° riod within which the possession of charity property .0c; be questioned, his Honour felt bound to decree the g',le up of the land by Christ's Hospital, but he would n°' the relators their costs. hundred and tiftYJt the VICE-CHANCERY COURT.--(THIS 0/(*) His Honour the VICE-CHA NCELLOR took causes of U P ceptions, and further directions to-day ; bu t 11 ° cas- the public importance had come before the Cour t, to period of our reporter leaving. The we r eB occupiedE N C H the. . ---onw— cases on the peremptory papers. , A s. %so THE KING V. HENRY CADWALLADER ADA, AND OTHERS. m...i CCI $' On a former day the ATToenrir-GENxnal. ow- - up rl de' --( wThiloleiSforerjnooAlYl :°)talitig rule Nisi for a criminal information against f ty r i .0' fendanty who were magistrates of the city 01, ‘ ,'", -‘ aeLl gr Pe o r un kin d s, o al f so th a e try, for refusing to hold apetty sessions in order to "--- pie j a a p s p ti l c i e cat a i n on d w it as was th a a l t le t g h e e d dthefaetndaniviii determine cases appertaining to the parish of Sco ne ; had refused to act magisterially with the Rev. Frederick ,e, i , eo n o eg , quence of such refus ' al the parish of . Sowne w as lected as far as related ito appeals to magistrates. „will% Affidavits were produced n support of the rule, re' that the defendants had refused to hear appeals'wre" , lating to the parish of Sowne. 0' e ag al Sir JAMES SCARLETT nOW showed cans affidavit, the rule, and produced several voluminous ted d i showing that the defendants had never thatnegiee they business relating to the parish of So wne ' e danc e had made a rota to insure the regular att n . of a sufficient number of ut ornittin* e Perkins, in consequence of determinati on they, haNtiog to not to act magisterially with him, owing to hs 1 ',,i, his on acting . as a magistrate in hearing cases relating'cisd own parish, and also for having assisted and a g oo,s the parish officers in those cases. After a b' m th i r t o te u d gh tha t t h h e e h affi ad da gi vi v t e s, n athsenffielieeanrtneadnswceovutnnseelne ;Ile, and that the rule should be discharged. P er The ATTORNEY-GENERAL was then heard in s tl P ecte ,l of the rule, contending that the defendants had n e g a tion their duty, and that the object of their deterinol, not to act with Mr. Perkins magisterially c u n t to tended merely from some cause or other to aninteociej the sending that gentleman to Coventry. He c : de out a, that the affidavits in support of the rule had in of their own body'',_. ssotrmonegjuestaisceesoftoathdeeniniajul injury y f o justice, and a had °' Mr. Sergeant GouLeiraN followed on the same s O.- ..„ The LORD CHIEF JUSTICE said that there a , no more in; in refus m to act with other magistrates. If that refusal were for , 1 ,, purpose of getting a magistrate's name erased from '',, consideration thheanjusttliifieedquestion commission of the peace, it would certainly beta greatii't magistrates to how far delicate e at m e fence ; but, on the other hand, any one magiate might consider how far he thought he could act with otherS: rev his lordship could not say the affidavits on the part of the ct e t t o dants did not disclose such strong circumstances as we n „,‘ make out a case of that description . He however did not [ he the case on that issue, because it was p ossible that IA 00 inquiry went on, a different construction might beiunever refused to act for a particular parish, and those circumstances by a jury. But them ol e de' imagined that it had been charged ag L t Irtl e fendants that they acted from personal motive s. ts h a il rule was granted on the ground that the defenadangro .4 only. The whole question between the particular eir' viduals was not before the Court. tinder Pa'" a tes to W triag iatr 0 cumstances it might be natural for 5 0 i n ed th at 1 act with other magistrates, and it P a-fisearderstandings this case there were a great many nli -nn pt In corru . . , in regard to a particular parish. As to the articuiat tives, they had been denied by affidavits statingePsdfiCiOt facts. If the complainant thought he had a e a c s i, 0 . 0 befg e t triea , il to go before a jury, he could still, if he please t . ' b a grand jury, and so have the whole question . o . i . a . this Court should be extremely cautious to ';, ha d ing criminal informations. As all the chl, cos ts, been denied, the rule must be discharged, and o , N l_ en eou: because unfounded and light charges should not imp duties raged by those whose duty it was to exercise the , "'r duties of justices of the peace.opineo rl • t Mr. Justice LITTLEDALE was of the same um en 9 Mr. Justice PATTESON also concurred in the j , us it w o rule - s • and said that on the first apprcation for the as T op i . 'applied for and granted against ' the defendant`, . o _ o ., of trates of Warwickshire, on behalf of the par.as nbolvvosaia), Sowne, and not on behalf Mr. Perkins (a! vv as adjudicata ' ottheapar.s.l-0_ cer: for a denial of justice, in refusincr to hear . ; i ffi deal of matter which they oughton tea t as 0,11, upon certain matters. The affidavits keep' ng back a grea had therefore deceived the C o urt, by disclosed. „ a ve s Mr. Justice WILLIAMS was°. t h e Rule discharged with cc___ .. ft s l_„._.-.......-. CE. SPORTING INTELLIGEN -...- v.) LS DI i - opinion. 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Harris effradhant, Hackney •...................... 1 1 confectioner, Broad-street ............. ...... gaged in a quarry near the village/ Egleton, of Boivinstone, near Cowbridge, w ere a and by-road leading therefrom they discovered tou rn t he letons of two persons, one of whom, judging f size of the bones, must have been a very large p erson,• ot They lay in a kind of rude roctangular large T coarse he fol stone s, oNvin g and nzo r t c h e e a surface m ay was b e co va ver e " two large slabs.— Cambrian. window not a hundred miles from the market4tterf Sarum Havannah cigars Prime Dorset and Superior cart grease, and depository for Testaments. N.B. Brick dust and Inops.''.-"Sa" bury Herald. workmen of Ate:: _~: ~