The Sun. — London, England, 1861-10-09 00:00:00

THE ARMSTRONG GUN. (Prom the Mechanics ? Magazine.) We beg once more to refer to this subject. Our readers will remember that, since the first intro. duction of the Armstrong gun to the public, we have endeavoured to supply a fair and impartial criticism on the merits or demerits of the Arm strong system. In former articles we have pointed out s pecifically wherein lay its i n h eren t s d e f ects ; and we urged, by every means in our power, that the authorities should take proper steps to secure the very highest opinion on the causes that led to the numerous failings of the gun 'which incapaci tated it for remaining It permanent portion of the .national armament. On information received, we suppose from the departments, the Under-Secretary of War, Mr. Bar ing, stated in the House of Commons that our in formation relative to the failure of the Armstrong gun in China and elsewhere was not founded on facts, and that the despatches to which we alluded had not been received by the War Department. What will Mr. Baring's successor s ay now in pal liation of his statements ? Not only have recent events fully demonstrated the rectitude of our state ments, but they have placed the defects of the Arm strong gun in still more prominent colours. After much urging; and at the request of the Admiralty, the War Department at last consented that the larger size Armstrong gun shou ld .' be put to some thin like a severe trial. For this purpose a certain number of 40 pounders and 100 pounders were placed en board the Trusty and Excellent, and other guns were forwarded to Shoeburyness and Woolwich marshes for trials of rapid firing. Onr readers • must understand the significance of the phrase—rapid firing. Heavy artillery, if fired with deliberation, so that the gun never becomes heated, and every care of skilled artificers be taken, is the one condition under which the Armstrong gun has been tried. But the effect of rapid firing—that is, as rapid as the necessities of actual warfare demand —is very different. In the latter case heat is rapidly transmitted to the mass of the gun, the de licate screw arrangements and breech-pieces (or the " gimcrackery," as Sir William Armstrong termed them at one of the meetings of. the In stitution of Civil Engineers) no longer fit the one into the other, and the consequence is that an ienorrnous escape of gas takes place invariably before the 20th round, and the gun is rendered hors de combat before the 30th shot. We subjoin a wood-engraving which shows the effect of fir ing 30 rounds from a 100 pounder Armstrong gun. Figures 1 and 2 exhibit the front and side view of the gun prior to firing. Figure 3 shows the front view of the vent-piece after firing 30 rounds. Figure 4 represents the breech-screw. It will be seen that figure 3 represents an oblate or oval form as the effect of firing. This arises from causes to which we have on previous occasions alluded. The vent piece shown in figures 1 and 2 is supported at the rear by the annular surface of the closing screw of figures 4. The diameter of the internal space is 7in., and the pressure of the gas on the vent-piece at the discharge of the gun is so enormous that it exceeds the cohesive strength of any known material, whether it be steel, wrought iron, or any combina tion of them. Hence the results are precisely as we indicated. The vent-pieces, if made of steel, are broken and driven through the breech screw; or, if made of wrought iron, they are bent up into an oval form, as shown in figure 6, and jammed tight into the annular surface of the closing screw. It is with much regret that we have once more been compelled to draw attention to this subject ; but we feel that we should not be discharging our duty to the nation at large did we not place the most reli able information on these points before the public. We have other equally demonstrative facts to confirm the truthfulness of our original statements. During the experiments on board the Trusty with Captain Cole's circular shield, no less than nine vent pieces were destroyed from one gun, and the gun, as a matter of course, was rendered unserviceable until repaired by skilful artificers. Under the direc tion of the Select Committee the heavy Armstrong gun has recently been tested by rapid firing, and similar disastrous results were obtained. As many as four vent-pieces were destroyed from one gun daritg 50 rounds; and the time consumed in firing .these 50 rounds, with the assistance of skilled artificers, was something like eight hours. Facts like these require little or no comment. We beg to draw attention once more to another point of the Armstrong system. We have on several occasions alluded to the principle in the con i struc• tion of the shot and shell. We have shown that by a delightfully ingenious arrangement every projec tile was nothing more o r l ess th an a voltaic pile. Mark the result ! On the arsenal wharf at Woolwich are stored some 40,000 shells. These are the pro ducts of the Elswick and Woolwich establishments, and they have never yet left the Woolwich stores. Let any gentleman possessing the slightest chymi cal or mechanical knowledge examine these shells, and he will find the lead exfoliating from the iron, demonstrating that this description of projectile can neither be kept in store, nor transported without essential injury, nor used over troops without seri ous danger of casualties arising as they did in China. It will be seen in an extract we I' oave from the dimes in our last number, that the Ordnance Select Committee, presided over by Colonel St. George, C. 8., have decided to make "some important altera tions" in all future constructions of the 12-pounder Armstrong guns. "The breech tangent sight has to be altered from steel to gun -metal," and " from a rectangular to an hexagonal form ; the " upper por tion being at the same time completely remodelled, including the leaf, cross-head, horizontal and verti cal derniers, elevating and deflecting screws. The I ratchet has undergone considerable improvement ;" " the trunnion-sight has been remodelled, while at the same time it is secured to the gun, instead of being let through the body of the trunnion. " Con siderable improvement has been made in the dispart sight." " A change has been effected in the elevat ing eye." " The lever and tuppet-pins have been altered." "The cartridges are in future to be made up with lubricating wad inside, and the shell plugs fitted with strong loops." The 12-pounder Arm strong gun is, in fact, to be regenerated, and the inventor, in a short time, will scarcely be able to recognise his own offspring. It will be like Sydney Smith's carriage which the iev. wit christened the " Immortal." Thiscarriage first had a new pair of wheels, then new shafts, then new springs, then a new body, and afterwards new fittings ; and in the course of time all the various parts of the carriage were renewed. But reconstructing the Armstrong 12-pounder is a small question compared to the importance of the subject we have just discussed. Let us in all seri ousness ask to whom are we to appeal ? We have, solicited the departments to undertake a stout inquiry into this matter, and we have met with a denial. Our accuracy has been impugned, and our facts questioned. We now confidently appear before the public with our facts supported and our reasonable predictions verified. Let us ask,—ls there no master-mind to control those de partments? Is it beneath the dignity of the Prime Minister to take this matter in hand ? Will he calmly look on while our soldiers and sailors struggle under disadvantages too great f or any va l our to overcome ? Are we tamely to pay any amount of money for that on which we cannot rely ? And is the honour of dear Old England to be unneces sarily trifled with ? These are questions we address to the public, feeling assured that to its solution, the necessity having been demonstrated, the best energies of the nation, from the meanest peasant to the highest in social position, will be given with one accord. • (..From the Times.) In another part of our columns will be found souse remarks u p on a su bj ec t t o w hi c h the attention of o ur authorities ought t o b e i mme di ate l y g i ven, and in which the i n t eres t s o f t h e pu b l i c are deeply concerned. I t i s ma i ntained, as will be seen, in th e pages of a publi cation ation especially devoted to mecha nical s cielaee,thathe Armstrong gun is by no means so successful au i nvent i on as is generally believed. Its "defects ar e and of . as " inherent," its " failings" serious t o and its faults altogether as sufficiently ouisqualify it for permanent 'use in the service. ai C onsideringand d how much has been spent upon this Powers how large a reliance is now placed upon its which we may well feel of ar b ti At e re raised. The uneasy at the questions manufacture of this species r r d a e tsor t b m s en a t l! the resources of a costly and el ab orate proaartion of Armstrong guns now form the staple our ships , and our Woolwich ; Armstrong guns are mountedue fortifications, distributed among served out to our field batteries. It is not to much to say that we depend upon this inventi on for much of the efficacy of our national defences. For the last year or two we have been accustom e d to think that we have the most formidable artillery in the world. If this gun, in short, is substan tially a failure, not only have we sacrificed a vast amount of money, but an important element of our national strength will suddenly disappear. These considerations, however, only make it the more in cumbent upon us to investigate the facts without hesitation or delay. We cannot mend the matter by evading the question or postponing the inquiry. On the contrary, if we shut our eyes to doubt we shall be worse off than ever. By resolutely grap pling with the ease we shall gain one of two advan tages. If the gun should be found really effective and valuable in spite of all said against it, we shall !sco ver our confidenc e ; if it s h ou ld b e found un trn stworthy we can at once l oo k a b ou t f or a sub stitute. ' The a llegations e against the Armstrong take a dist eannon it i 3 said t i l l' ,4 !. and . specific form. Of the gun itself u 4 liill not bear rapid firing, Its per.. Roam& Rt. ' formances are satisfactory enough at formal and leisurely trials, when it is discharged only at mode rate intervals of time, carefully handled, and skil fully superintended. This, however, is not such practice as , would take place in actual warfare. In the heat of battle the firing would be quick and con stant; and under these conditions it is said the Arm strong g,un is found to fail. The metal becomes heated, and the delicate machinery at the breech of the piece is deranged. The component parts no longer fit'into each other, gas escapes at each dis charge, the vent-piece is presently blown out, and the gun becomes utterly unserviceable until it has been repaired. We are referred to the actual re sults of 'experiments as establishing these charges. It is alleged that four vent-pieces were destroyed befora:one gun could be fired 50 rounds, and that any Armstrong gun tried by rapid firing would be rendered useless before the thirtieth shot. Of the shell, again, it is said that the leaden casing which keeps the contents together has a tendency to ex foliate and detach itself, and that the projectiles can neither be safely stored nor safely dis charged over any troops within range of their flight. These are the assertions advanced. For the solution of the question, then, we require first a careful, fair, and fearless examination conducted without prepossession or bias; next a certificate of the remediable or irremediable character of the de fects which may be ascertained ; and finally, an estimate of the extent to which the defects proved to be irremediable would disqualify the gun for service. Possibly the allegations advanced in the Mechanics' Magazine cannot be entirely substan • tiated ; possibly the faults can be remedied ; and possibly, again, the gun may still be as good as any other gun, or even better, notwithstanding its ad mitted imperfections. We attach little weight to the argument based on the numerous alterations to which the Armstrong gun has already been subjected, When our contem porary remarks that Sir - William would hardly be able to recognise his own invention after its nume rous improvements, the observation carries with it but little disparagement. It has been the same with all inventions. Nobody supposed that Sir William Armstrong's gun was produced once for all in a con dition of absolute perfection. We can hardly pre tend to enter into an exact analysis of the modiA7 cations enumerated by our contemporary as having been introduced into the original pattern, but they certainly do not appe ar t o us t o t renc h upon the essence of the discovery. We can imagine all these changes being adopted without much impeachment of the original Armstrong gun. The vent-piece appears to be a weak point, undoubtedly, for if we are to assume, as we suppose we must, that rapid firing cannot be dispensed with even in Armstrong batteries, it is clear that a gun which requires re pair after some ten minutes' use can never be a good gun for service. But is it certain that, after the difficulties of the machine itself have been sur mounted, a little more of the same skill and patience which achieved the invention will not find out a proper vent-piece ? There is another point also to which it is best to allude. Without casting any imputation upon the spirit of the article which we transcribe, and which we are bound, indeed, to receive as an impartial expression of scientific opinion, we must remind the reader that this question has been entangled with animosities and recriminations innumerable. Engi neers are as irritable as poets, and as jealous as rival beauties. When rifled ordnance first came into favour a dozen competitors were fighting for pre ference, and two or three names became distin guished enough to divide the notice of the public with that of Sir William Armstrong. At this mo ment more than one inventor is fully persuaded that his gun, and not Sir William's, should be the gun used in her Majesty's army, and every one of these inventions has its own advocates and believers. We make these remarks, not as depreciating the criticism to which the Armstrong gun may be ex posed, but simply to remind the - reader that the question must turn, after all, upon a comparison of merits and demerits. For ourselves, we confess to a suspicion that any other gun elevated, instead of the Armstrong gun, to the place of honour, would soon be attacked with as much vehemence as the present favourite. No man likes to see his own invention unnoticed while the invention of another brings him office and renown. It is not in the least degree probable that we shall ever get a gun which every school of mechanics will acknowledge to be superior to all other guns, and we must expect, in any event, to have our faith occasionally assailed by complaints and warnings. These considerations, however, do not touch the essence of the question now before us. We do not see how it can be de nied that the present dissentients have made out a case for inquiry, and that inquiry ought to be neither delayed nor stifled. It is of the utmost im portance to us that we should know the whole troth about the Armstrong gun, and this truth we shall never know until the gun has been subjected to every necessary test without prejudice, favour, or reserve. THE NEWCASTLE MURDER. EXAMINATION OF THE PRISONER. NEWCASTLE-ON-TYNE, Oct. 8. George Clark, the man. who so barbarously mur dered Mr. Prater, in Blackett-street, in this town, last Tuesday morning, was this mooning brought up at the police-court, on remand, charged with that crime. Very little additional evidence has been obtained since the coroner's inquest was held on Mr. Frater's body on Weamesday evening. The facts of the case are indeed so conclusive and so pal pable that the only question now to be decided is the sanity of the prisoner at the time he com mitted the deed. When first apprehended his demeanour betokened an imperturbable coolness rather than anything else, and there seemed at that time to be no reason whatever for suspecting his perfect sanity. Since his apprehension, however, he has conducted himself in such a manner as to prove that he is either a madman, or desires to be supposed so. His conduct during the whole of Tuesday was characterised by an excessive levity, and he seemed quite unable to realise the position in which he was placed. At the inquest, on Wed nesday evening, as has been already reported, he became exceedingly impertinent. His manner was quite calm, and he listened to everything that went on with great attention, but he uttered the most absurd remarks during the course of the in quiry, and at the very moment that a former fellow-shopman was was giving most impor tant evidence, in reference to the sharpening of the knife, and his previous threats on Mr. Fra ter's life, he took occasion to remark that the coroner was " nothing but an old wife," and to tell his old mate, in the kindest possible tone, to sit down, and not trouble himself any more about the matter, being evidently unconsciou s that the man was at the time offering fatal evidence against him. With regard to his previous habits it appears that he has often threatened the lives of persons before, far fancied wrongs, aud some of those who were thus threatened have no hesitation in expressing their decided convictian that the pri soner is insane, and in corrobore.don of this, that he is always worse when the moon changes—this proving him to be a lunatic in the literal sense of the word. With reference to his threats on Mr. Frater's life, it seems that whenever he alluded to that gentleman, in the presence of his fellow-work men, he informed them that the Queen had been communicated with on the subject, and that she had said that he would be quite right to kill his victim. They, however, paid no attention t o thi s talk, as they considered him nothing more than a harmless imbecile. There] are other circumstances which will be brought forward at his trial, and which show, to say the least, a diseased state of mind in the prisoner. This morning the police -court at the Manors was crammed to excess, and all the leadi ng thorough fares were crowded by persons anxious to catch a glimpse of the prisoner's appearance. The sitting magistrates were the Mayor, I. Blackwell, It. Dodds, J. L. Bell, G. C. Atkinson, and C. F. Hamond, F.sqrs. The prisoner was brought up as soon as the business of the court commenced. Mr. Frater's remains were interred on Friday at Jesmond Cemetery, Newcastle. A considerable number of the friends of the deceased attended, to pay a last tribute of respect to his memory. Many of the spectators appeared to be deeply affected by the impressive scene. The Rev. J. A. Charlton, M.A., curate of Gosforth, was the officiating clergy man, and the corpse was interred on the south side of the cemetery, adjoining the grave of Mrs. Frater, the first wife of the deceasted. At the meeting of the local board of guardians the same afternoon, the following resolution was unanimously adopted :—" This board, deeply sYra pathising with the family and relatives of the late Mr. Mark Frater in the irreparable loss they have uprightnesssustaindes andire merlin recordrlin wotrhthe.i,rbohtihghasense roifrahties citizen and as a member of this board. They ea'a not refrain, also, from expressing. their der e ,p Whilst horrid crime W / diejii pre heartfelt sorrow at the razion with and doted his death. the entire body of the inhalbeTt'anitns 'this town, pray that the consolations of Divine isdom may of desolation, b e given the family •in this sad Ina id ; r ‘u ordeal through sustained by them under pisar examined be=fore the Coroner were which they are called to The witnesses recalled, and gave exactly similar testimony. Mr. Main, solicitor, attended to prosecute. At the conclusion of Mrz Dalrymple's (the first quired if th e M ayor an answer in the witness) evidence the prison ter i n was present, and receiving affir mative, he proceeded in a 'wild and rambling man ner to imigt PrOdUCtia of two MCA with THE striv, :LONDON, WEDNESD AY E VENI NG, OCTOBER 9., 1861. whom be had been employed at Easton's, Pilgrim street. ( q The witnesses, chair-makers, named MgDonald andllodds, were sent for, and the case proceeded. Th omas Hand, musicseller, who was, unable to attend at the Coroner's inquiry, was now called and deposed to seeing the prisoner come up from be hind and thrust a knife into Mr. Frater's neck. .The prisoner, who had been standing with his back to the Court, suddenly turned round and said, —Gentlemen, in olden times, when we used to put a knife into any man, the blood ran down his clothes. Now, he says it spirted up, and I want to ask him that. The Mayor—He did not say anything about that. Prisoner—You've nothing to do with it, my good man. (Uproar.) ,Mr. Blackwell (to witness)—You never saw any man stabbed before ? - Witness—No. The prisoner repeated his question. The Bench—He gives no opinion upon it. Witness (to prisoner)—l will not answer you. Prisoner—Then you go out. (To Bench)—Yon must mark him out of the roll. The Mayor—He will be dealt with. Prisoner (turning to the court)—What are those persons whispering to him for ? The Mayor—You will have an opportunity of examining him. Prisoner—Hold your tongue, you old wife. Do you imagine I am a fool because I've working clothes upon my back. (Sensation.) Dr. Septimus W. Rayne was' then called, and reiterated the evidence given by him before the coroner. Upon stating that Mr. Frater expired about seven minutes after :the wound was inflicted, The prisoner remarked, " Hear, hear—go on Mr. Rayne, you are doing very well." Mr. Main—Do you think the deceased could have been saved by any aid whatever ? Witness—No, sir, not if everything had been upon the spot. The Mayor interrupted him, and observed that the questions were irrelevant to the cage. The magistrates committed him for trial at the next assizes, on a charge of wilful murder. Prisoner---Decidedly. Of course I appoint as well as. you. . He was then removed,. and on making his ap pearance in the street was received with a perfect ovation of hissses. TILE CONFESSION OF THE W 00D- LANDS .111UR.DER. IMPORTANT DISCLOSURES. • FROME, TUESDAY. This morning the soldier, Joseph Seer, was again brought up at the police -court for re-examination on the charge, on his own confession, of having, in September, 1851, murdered Sarah Watts. It having been announced that ' evidence of a very important nature would be forthcoming, con siderable excitement was manifested in the town. Long before the arrival of the prisoner groups lined the road to the station, and the court-room was filled quite an hour before noon. The prisoner was brought from Stephen Mallet Gaol in the custody of Police-constable Watts. He appeared somewhat paler than on Tuesday last, otherwise there was no alteration in his demeanour. The magistrates present were the Earl of Cork (chairman), Dr. Harrison, and Zr. Sinkins. The chief constable of the county was present. Superintendent Deggan said—Since the Ist inst. I have made further inquiry into the case, and I am now in a position to produce evidence which will lead to the identification of the prisoner, and to his having been in this town at the time of the murder. James Payne, an old man, said—l live in Broad , street, Frome, and am a cooper. I know the prisoner Seer from his childhood. I well remember the mnr -1 der of Sarah Watts. .I knew the prisoner when he was a baby. I knew him in childhood, and I knew him in manhood. I lived near him—a quarter of a mile off. When he was about seven years old he lived in a lane called Birched-lane, in a house built by Samuel King. After he was seven years of age I missed him for some years. I saw him and knew him at different times during his life, but I cannot mind when it exactly was. The last time I saw him before the murder was in Badcox (Frome), where he wished me " Good morning." That was about three weeks before the Woodlands murder took place—between the Ship and the Sun. I should not have known him if he had not.spoken. I looked round and wished him the, rams. I then gaidto him, " That's Seer." I said, " How are you, Sz er P" He said, "I am pretty well ; I hope you are the same." I did not see him again —the murder was don.e on a Wednesday—till the Saturday week niter. I went into the Castle Inn, Frorne, that evening, to find my wife. I found my wife there selling some lace—she was a lacemaker by trade. When 1 found she was there, I saw she was selling some lace to a girl I called Maria Staff. I never knew her name. At that time Seer came into the room. He brought in a pint of beer. He was quite intoxicated in beer. My wife and Maria Staff were talking about the murder that took place in the Woodlands. Seer then, after hearing this discourse, stood up and said he had done all he could do with the woman, and then he murdered her because he should never be found out. Well, I should have told of it at the time, but my wife persuaded me that I should be murdered if ever I should tell of it. I said to Seer, " If ever I should see you in Frome any more, I shall have you taken up if you don't give yourself up ;" but he gave hinieelf up, for I saw him. My wife has been dead two years coming December. I wish she was living. Immediately after this took place I left the Castle Inn, and told Seer I would go out and get a constable. My wife then ran after me, and caught me three or lour yards before I came to Mr. Nicholl's who was at that time a constable. My wife said, "Ifso as you do tell of it, you will be . murdered as sure as you be born." By the Bench—l did net know the girl's name. She travelled about with her mother buying lace. I have seen her several times since. I saw her three years come Christmas. I called her Maria Staff, because she came from Staffordshire. She always ' stopped at my house when bhe came to Frome. Her mother did not stop at, my house. I cannot men tion one in Promo wtio know the girl. I did not think the people at the Castle knew her. My wife was a laceinaker ar ce d used to sell lace to this girl. There was.no orAe in the room besides this girl, her mother, my wife, Seer, and myself. No waiter was the at the time. This was between six and se-, , en. o'clock, and the house was not then full. I do not know, I cannot say, that any one of my wife's acquaintance knew the girl, for she did not stop:at my home more than one night at a time. The Chairman—Do you wish to ask the witness any question, Seer ? Prisoner (touching his forelock)—No, sir. The Chairman (to the witness)—You have lived in Frome many years, and you knew that there were persons tried for this murder. Witness—l have lived in Frome 40 years. I told my wife when Frome Bob was taken up that I would tell about it. She told me if I did she would murder me. I never know that Promo Bob was tried for it. During the examination j ot' the witnesses, the prisoner frequently smiled, but made no other mani festation. Mrs. Edgell said—l live at Prospect-buildings, Bath, and remember the time of the Woodlands murder. Some days after the murder—before I had beard of it—a man came to my house to ask for assistance. He appeared very agitated. Hi s thumb was scratched, and! he had a scratch on the left side of his forehead. He said he came from Frome, tend had been to Bristol to try to get a ship, and was going to London to try to get em ployment or go for a soldier. He appeared to have been drinking, but was not tipsy. I cannot say that the prisoner is the man. The man was stouter, and hi.s hair was lighter, but he he was about the I saint height as the prisoner. I observed that his thumb was bound up. I asked him what was the /Latter with it. He seemed in great agitation, and said he had hurt it. Ido not say the prisoner is not the man. I gave him some relief. Ido not exactly re member how he was dressed, but he had on either a dirty white jacket or a smock-frock and a cap. If I had heard of the murder I certainly should have had the man taken up on suspicion. We were then at 13, Friar's Bellevue, Bath. He the height of the prisoner, with r ep - ad features ..W s .'a aout —not unlike the prisoner. It w- ds betwee„ix and seven o'clock in the er err i n The scratch on hi: s g, and it was forehead was two or three days old, I renl e . m / .:Ar. I am not able to identify the prisoner as the man, h a t I am not satisfied that he is L ir jr. The Superinte . : thumb, ndent said—With regard to the der a bloo . d- - I wish . to state that at the time of the mur i thumb-mark was found on the wall. The P r .isoner said he had no question to ask the witne7 a. 4.obert Hurd, alias "Frame Bob," 6re volunteered o give evidence. At the suggestion of Mr. Crutt well, the clerk, Hurd communicated to the superiu tendent what he had to say. The Superintendent said what Hurd had to say would not be evidence now, but it might lead to im portant results. James Vallis said—l am a shoemaker, living at Is.eyford. I k now the prisoner. I saw him three say He uncle lived. I direset h spoewiceinatnoy_it him several years ago. I cannot Weeks a go. I saw poke to him mayea b h e un five to or i i v n o o o r d e la y n :a s r . s A ag ir o . . and asked to know where his HaredPpeared very reluctant . to say any uTnhti,s of ly i l t i n e e y s f s m o thing. Len Atepped vim fi ve 'ears next December the p,isoner amp" to He is distantly related tome. had not seen him till that time since he was taken to London after his mother ran away and left him. Whore being no further evidence to bo produced, the chief constable applied for a remand. After some consultation, the prisoner was re manded till Saturday next. sothething to cause a miscarriage. I told her that I wished to know the truth, when she charged me not to tell anybody. She said that she had been to Mr. Vale, of Henry-street, Lime house-causeway, and she added that her husband had persuaded. her to go. I said he must be a strange man to do that. She said that Mr. Vale had used an instrument, with teeth in it, and opened with a spring at the end. She said that Mr. Vale was to have a half guinea for his services. She said that she had been twice to Mr. Vale's house, on which occasions he had used the instruments. She said that her husband had been the instigation of her going to Mr. Vale, and I " biowed her up for going." Mr. Vale called on the Saturday before the deceased died, and she was then delirious. My opinion is that the deceased has died from the use of instruments. After the examination of several witnesses, Dr. Corner, of Mile-end-road, stated that he was called on Sunday morning last to the deceased, whom he found suffering great pain over the bowels, &c., but she aied on the following morning. He had since made a post-mortem examination of the body. The membranes of thebrain were rather con gested_ The lungs, chest, and other organs healthy, excepting that the heart was thin. There were three indistinct marks upon the mouth of the womb which might have been the result of puncture by the instrument referred to, but the exciting cause of inflammation was most likely from Hueli punctures, in the absence of any other known cause. The Coroner then called Mr. Vale, the surgeon, into th© room, when he cautioned him in the usual form. Mr. Vale made a long rambling statement, and denied the allegations made against him. lie said that ho had never used any instruments upon the deceased. The Coroner summed up the whole of the facts, when The jury unanimously agreed to a verdict of Wilful murder against Benjamin Vale and Wil liam Garrett, for killing and slaying Eliza Garrett." The Coroner then made out his warrant for the Committal of the accused, who were placed in a cab and conveyed to Newgate by Mr. John Smith, the summoning officer of Bethnal-green, to await their trial at the - ensuing sessions of the Central Criminal Court. • The prisoners when they left were greeted with loud hooting and yelling. THE ALLEGED JVCIRDER OF 4 CAP- TAIN ON THE HIGH SEAS.? PROCEEDINGS UNDER THE EXTRADITION ACT. Mr. Darker, the chief clerk in the office of the American Consul, waited on Mr. Corrie, at the Bow-street Police-court, in order to reau.est that a time might be 'fixed for the examination of William Henry Hawkins, a man of colour, late steward of the American merchant vessel the Lammergier, in custody of the police on a charge of murdering his captain, William Henry Adams, on the high seas. The vessel, it appeared, sailed from London on Saturday, 21st Sept., and the murder was alleged to have been committed on Sunday, 29th Sept., in the Channel. The mate took the command of the ves sel, and put back to Loudon, where the man was given in custody of the Thames Police, and was taken before Mr. Selfe, the sitting magistrate at the Thames Police Court, on Thursday last. Mr. Selfe was of opinion that the matter was out of English jurisdiction, being more than three leagues from the shore, and therefore decided that the case must he proceeded with under the Extradition Act. Ac cordingly an extradition warrant had been obtained, and the police were prepared to bring him before this court. In all cases under the Extradition Act it was necessary that the proceedings should take place at this court. Mr. Corrie said he would take the case as seen as the prisoner was brought before him. Inspector Cox, of the Thames Police, who had at tended with Mr. Darker, subsequently proceeded to the police station at Wapping, in order to fetch the prisoner, who was ultimately brought up, and placed at the bar shortly before 5 o'clock. The prisoner, though stated to be a mulatto, is as black as many full-blooded negroes. The charge having :been stated to the prisoner, the foliowin; depositions were taken : Dennis James Stetson—l am the chief mate of the ship Lammergier, of New York. I sailed in that ship from London on the 21st of September last, hound for Callao. On the 28th September, at breakfast time—about eight o'clock—l and the captain went into the cabin to breakfast. The pri soner, who was the steward, was present. The captain found fault with him, and it ended by the captain striking the steward. After breakfast I spoke to the prisoner, and told him that the captain was a strange man, and he had better not argue the point with him. The prisoner said " I am a strange man too, and no one on board knows me yet." On Sunday morning, the 29th, I went on deck about half-past seven. I saw the prisoner in the, carpenter's shop. About 10 minutes to nine o'clock I went to the captain's state room and knocked at the door several times, calling out, " Captain Adams." I could hear him breathing, but received no answer. I returned on deck, and in about 10 minutes went back again, and again knocked and called, but receiving no answer I went into the state room, which was dark. I put my hand on the captain's shoulder, shook him and called him, but received no answer. I then went on deck and saw blood on my hand where I had touched the captain. I then called the second mate and the car penter, had the blinds of the state room opened, and then went into the state room with me. I then saw the captain lying upon his back, and a wound upon the right side of his head, from which the brains protruded. He was not at that time dead, but he died at 20 minutes past 10 o'clock. The prisoner was put in irons. None of the crew were in or about the cabin whilst I had charge that morning, and when all hands were called aft they all came except the prisoner, who did not come till ho was called by name. When he was put in irons he made no objec tion, and did not say anything. I afterwards re ceived from the carpenter an axe, which was wet at the time. Cross-examined by the prisoner—lt was about two minutes after the crew came before you came. Vim did not answer wheu first the men were called aft. The cook came aft before you did. John Henry Myers—l am second mate of the ship Larnmergier, of New York. I sailed in that ship on the 21st September, bound to Callao, Peru. Wm. Henry Adams was captain. On the 28th, at breakfast time, I was in the cabin with the carpen ter and the prisoner. The prisoner said to me, "It is the first time I ever was struck on board an Ame rican ship." lie Added that he had been many years a steward, and that he would give ue all a chance to get back again to London. I told him if he had any threats to make he had better do so out of my hear ing, and I advised hi,m, V4hatever he did, not to com mit himself. On SuntilgY morning, the 29th, I had charge of the watch fr%.-m four to eight o'clock. 6 o'clock. I called The captain went below an',°net, .came out on deck, the mate abont half-past 7. 12 13 call the captain. and after cleaning' himself went Is.' At half-past Bhe came to me and 84: id he could not wake the captain, anci that he (the eelPtain) was breathing heavily. At 10 minutes to 9 .he. again went to the captain's cabin. I saw him go a-n, and he tried to wake the captain. The room at . this time was dark, as the shutters were closed. Whae l the chief mate came out I saw blood on his hand, and he said " My God, the captain is all over blood." We then called the carpenter, got the shutters open, and all three went into the room. I saw the cap tain lying upon his back, his head on one side , and a wound in it from which the brains protruded. He was still alive, there being a gurgling in his throat. I said "My God, the captain is murdered. Call all !lands aft." All hands came aft, and I then called the prisoner and put him in irons, and the crew were IZormed of what had occurred. We were at this time 12 miles from the Start Point at sea. The vessel's ceeLrse was then altered, and we returned to London. lkrns.ne of the crew could pos sibly obtain admittance into the cabin without the knowledge of the officer of the w?tch, but the about im and pri soner slept in the cabin , a n d I saWte up between 7 and 8 that morning. John Miller—l am carpenter on board Pe Lam mergier, and sailed in her from London on Le i la 21 st S e ptember. On the 28th I and the second nnate breakfasted together in the cabin, after the captain.' and chief mete. The prisoner spoke to the second mate, and I heard him say that he had had words with the captain, and that he would give us all a chance to get out of her (the ship). In the after noon I was down between decks, and I asked th e prisoner what the disturbance had been between him and the captain. He told me that the quarrel was about the breakfast, and that the captain had struck him; that it was the first captain that had ever stre7ll him, and that he (the prisoner him self) would he d the last man the captain would_ ever strike. He adder. " I will cut his G V or tho first time I have a g-- out before supper, "1 him." The prison er m 111 chance. lam bound to kin. ore to C. The then went on deck, and said ii - ti t tl e before six next morning I saw the prisoner a . -- me to my o'clock, and about half-past six he es. 'ere the room, which is in a house upon the deck bee. es main hatch. Ho appeared a good deal excited, - if from drinking. He asked if I was a freemason, and told me ho had the first degree of freemasonry, and if I would give it him, he would try me ; and added that he wanted me to stick to him as a brother. I said, " All {right, steward ; so long as you act as a brother, I will act as a brother to you." He naked me if I ever drank anything, and said he would give me some whisky. He then went Int int returned ill II phut time and rowt 019703. 2HE BILSTON TRAGEDY. Tho adjourned inquest was held yesterday in the Bilston police-court, before Mr. W. H. Philips, deputy coroner. Eliza Rownes identified a pair of trousers, a coat, a waistcoat, a pocket-handkerchief, and other pro perty as belonging to the deceased. The coat had been worn ; the hankerchief had also been used. Both were deceased's. She also identified other handkerchiefs that belonged to the deceased. They had been kept upstairs in the drawers. She also identified a box of studs that at deceased's request she took upstairs a fortnight before the murder, and other wearing apparel that had been worn by him. She saw a portion of it on a chair in his bedroom the day before his death. [This second bundle the police said had been found in a different place from that in which the first bundle was found.] The other goods were new, but bore the shop mark, to which she could depose. Police-constable John Harrison deposed that he was stationed at Bradley about a quarter past 4 on the morning of the murder. He was watching the house of Brandriok's father upon instructions from Sergeant M'Crea. He obtained these instructions because he had told the sergeant that he had seen Brandrick come towards Bilston at 10 at night wearing a dress he had never before seen him in— viz., a flannel jacket with the collar turned up. The door was left so that Brandrick could easily get in. Afterwards as he lay watching he heard foobiteps coming along the back road from Bilston. There were three men ; Brandrick was one. A man on the right hand of Brandrick was carrying new clothes on his arm. He tried to arrest the man with the clothes on his arm. One of the three men was Jones. The man who was carrying the bundle threw the clothes down and run with Brandrick in the direc tion of Coseley. Witness returned to the spot where the clothes were thrown down. The person who was carrying them was a short man, but he could not identify him. The clothes consisted of a coat, a pair of trousers, and a waistcoat. (These were the articles which Mrs. Rownes identified in the first bundle.) In the pocket of the coat was a pair of kid gloves. After picking up the bundle he went to Brandrick's house, but he was not ther6. He returned to his hiding place, and saw Jones coming from Bilston towards Cosoley. Witness arrested him. He said his name was William Jones, of Canal-street, Tipton, but he believed that that was not his right name. Prisoner asked what the charge was P Witness said, " Stealing these clothes" (pro ducing the clothes which he had picked up.) Pri soner said, " You did not see me carrying them." His hair was wet with perspiration, and when they were about to go from Market street to Stafford street he refused to go that way. He said, " I shan't go up that street; I will go by the Castle and have a glass of drink," which was a circuitous way; but on passing the Castle he did not stop at it. Witness did not know of the robbery at Ba gott's till after the prisoner was locked up At the station the studs produced were found upon the pri soner. Mrs. Rownes here identified the studs as the same that she had before identified as tho deceased's. Witness continued—He asked the prisoner how he accounted for hiving the studs. He said " I don't know." He found three half-crowns, a six pence, and some coppers on him, and his right hand was black—nearly as black as a man's coat. He also saw that the knees of his trousers were wet and dirty. He wore corduroy trousers, of a small pat tern. Police-constable Potts, the reserve man at the station, deposed to having found on the prisoner Jones the studs and money of which the last wit ness spoke. William Littlehale,s pearl button - maker, who lives at the back of No. 24, Guest-street, Bir mingham, identified the studs before referred to. He bought them from Mr. Page, of Wolverhamp ton. This was the only set of that pattern he bought. He sold them to Mr. Bagott three weeks ago next Saturday. Mr. Bagott gave him is. for the studs. They were nota common pattern. They were a convex, and had a fancy border. He never saw a set like them, end at Mr. Page's he did not see • any others of the same pattern. They were pearl studs. Frederick Griffiths, a drover, of Bilston, deposed that he knew the deceased. On the night before the murder he saw Jukes in Mr. Bagott's shop, and saw Mr. Bagott jump over the counter. Lilley also was outside. This was about half-past 11 at night. He knew Jukes well, for about a week before he threatened to take witness's life. Afterwards he saw a man disputing with Mr. Bagott about the price of a suit of clothes. At that time also Lilley was there. William Matthews, a miner, deposed that at one o'clock on the Sunday morning in question he saw Brandrick, Maddocks, Mullighan, Jukes, Webb, and Lilley standing at the corner of the Berry yard. Maddocks said, " Now, lads, stick stout, like lions." Maddocks at the same time produced a pistol and said, "Let fly at the first who comes, policeman, or constable, or any one else. Lads, who will carry this ?" Neither of the men took the weapon. Witness was talking to a man named Pitt at the time. The inquest was proceeding when our report left. SHOCKING DEATH FRO3I _eIBORTION. , COMMITTAL OF A SURGEON, AND THE HITS BAND OF THE DECEASED TO NEAVGATE. Last evening Mr. John Humphreys, thu coroner for East Middlesex, and a jury, assembled at the Lord Wellington publichouse, Three Colt-lane, Cam bridge-road, Bethnal-green, respecting the death of Eliza Garrett, aged 34 years, who it was alleged had died from injuries caused by a medical man named Benjamin Vale, of 6, Henry-street, Lime house-fields. • William Garrett, of No. 9, Coventry-street, Three Colt-lane, said—The deceased is my wife, and I knew she was enceinte. I did not know that she was in the habit of visiting Mr. Vale, but she told me she was going to a gentleman for advice to do away with the child. I did not know how long she had gone in her pregnancy. She had not had any miscarriages to my knowledge. There was not any agreement between me and deceased respect ing her having more children. It was not my wish for her to go to Mr. Vale, and I forbade her going to him three weeks since. She told me one night that she.had been to him and said that he had used instruments. She had had some medicine from him. 1 This witness underwent considerable cross-exa mination by the Ceroner, and the Coroner and jury expressed their opinion that this witness had given m hi a s n evidence ina hadvery flippant and unsatisfactory kept many important facts back which ought to have been adduced. Lucy Reynolds was examined next and said that she resided next door to the deceased. On Tues day, the Ist inst., she sent for me, when I found her up-stairs in bed. She was suffering great pain, and I did not know that she was ill before that. I asked her what was the matter with her, when she replied, "I do not know." I told her that I thought it was a miscarriage. She admitted that such was the fact ; and when I wished to go for a doctor, she said she would send for a midwife. I wished to go for a medical gentleman, but she re fused. Mrs. Vale came while I was there, and one child had been born. The second child was born while she (Mrs. Vale) was in attendance upon the deceased, who was delivered of twins. The chil dren were placed in a chamber utensil, and thrown down the water closet. Mr. Vale was present then, and went away. I remained with the deceased, and she said that she was better, but she still com plained of pain in the stomach. I endeavoured to persuade her to have a doctor, but she refused. Mr. Vale sent more medicine. Coroner—Did you know that Air. Vale was a surgeon I ,;„ " thess—Yes, I believed that he was, and I did not know to the contrary. On the next morning the deceased told me that she was very ill, and had been so all night. The husband came home at eight o'clock that night, when I left. I previously pressed him to have a doctor, and asked him why, when he said that Mr. Vale was coming again. The deceased sent her little girl for Mr. Vale, and would not let me go. The husband knew that Mr. Vale had been, and had delivered his wife, and notwith standing that I remonstrated with him he said no ; it would be such an expense. The husband stif:l that he preferred Mr. Vale, because he knew his wife's constitution. By the Coroner---I had told the deceased that I did not like the appearance of Mr. Vale, and I thought that he was intoxicated. She said that he was very clever. I left the deceased at eleven o'clock that night, but saw her again early in the next morning. The husband had been to his club, and did not come home until four o'clock. The de ceased was in the meanwhile in the care of a single young man lodger. The deceased, at my earnest solicitation, sent for Dr. Defriez, of the Bethnal grecn.road, who attended with other medical gentle men, but the deceased was s i n ki ng f r om exhaustion. The deceased told me that she feared she would not get over it. I told her she must pray to God, when cho replied, "Is there any forgiveness for such wickedness 9" I replied " Yes, and you will enter tho kingdom of heaven." )3y the Corcincr—l Walt that 49 WI tam asked me for a hatchet, and took mine up. He asked me whose it was. I told him it was mine. He asked if the captain had one. I said he bad, but it was not ground, and I told him where it was. He then took it (witness's hatchet) up, and said he wanted it to open a box of eggs. I said a chisel and hammer would be best ; but he said the axe would. The axe was quite a now one, and had never been used or sharpened since it was bought. He went away, and took the axe with him, as I supposed to open a box of eggs with. In about 15 or 20 minutes , atter this the cook brought me the same axe back, and said, " Here is your axe ; it is all wet." I told him to put it down anywhere. Soon afterwards the prisoner came into my room again, and asked me if I had got my axe, and said," If you are called upon or asked about it, remember I got the axe to open a case of eggs with." He then said he had never been able to ascertain whether the captain was bound to the Eastward. I asked him what he meant. He said, " In search of light," and in an excited way added " as a brother." He left mo then, but came back again after eight o'clock. The chief mate also came to me, and said he was hungry. The prisoner said, " The breakfast is all ready upon the table, if ever the captain gets up to eat it.' Between half-past eight and nine the chief mate came to my room. The second mate and the prisoner were there at the time. He said, "The captain is snoring like and all over with blood, • and he and the second mato went out together. The prisoner said, " Snor ing like ' and you (meaning the chief mate) are the first that have found it out. Keep that in mind, carpenter." He then loft my room, and the second mate came running in and said, " The cap tain is murdered." I immediately went aft and saw the captain, who was then dying. The crew were called aft, and the prisoner was put in irons. I ran for my hatchet, and showed it to the mate. It had been washed. I delivered it to him. The captain expired about ten o'clock. John Morris (a black man)— I am cook on board the same vessel, and sailed with her from London on the 21st. I remember that on Sunday morning, the 29th, the prisoner came to me in the galley and said, "D octor - ' (a usual nickname applied to the cook on beard ship), " you give this axe to the car penter, will you ?" and he gave me at the same time an axe wrapped up in a table-cloth. I said " Why don't you give it to him yourself ?" He said ho had not time, as he wanted to lay the breakfast for the captain when he got up. Ho left me then, and I took the axe to the carpenter and gave it to him in the same state that I received it from the prisoner. Mr. Darker intimated that this was all the evi dence he had to offer. Mr. Corrie (addressing the prisoner)—l have no jurisdiction to try this case. You are going to be taken to the United States to be tried there. Mr. Burnaby (the chief clerk)—You will now be committed to the House of Detention, where you will be kept till the American authorities remove you to New York. The prisoner was then removed from the court. It was stated that the axe had been examined with a microscope, and that human blood and hair had been found on it, but no evidence to that effect was tendered. POLICE INIELLI'}ENCE, 0c , % 8. WESTMINSTER.—THE WESTMINSTER MUR DER.—Mr. Bury Hutchinson, solicitor, repeated to Mr. Arnold the application he made on Saturday to Mr. Poynter, detailed in our impression of Mon day, fora warrant against Joseph Saunders, for wilful and corrupt perjury against William Malo ney, under sentence of death for the murder of his wife in Legg-court, Westminster. Mr. Hutchinson at great length detailed the cir cumstances upon which he grounded his applica tion, without any material difference from the statement already published, and solicited the magistrate's earnest consideration in a matter of such serious moment as the life of a fellow-creature. Saunders had sworn that he saw the woman mur dered, that he remained at the corner of the court afterwards till the police brought Maloney out, and that he had not been into any place of refreshment until he had been subsequently into Bcnnett's•yard. He swore he had had nothing to eat or drink during the day, while that he had had two penny worths of pudding could be most distinctly proved. Mr. Arnold—Supposing that to be false, would it be a material fact in a charge of murder ? Mr. Hutchinson—ln the case of Dr. Griffiths Jones, last sessions at the Central Criminal Court, where he had sworn before Sir Cresswell Cresswell that he had a Scotch diploma as well as being a member of the College of Surgeons, the former was held to be material, as tending falsely to give more positiveness, and induce the Court to rely with greater credit upon what he said. r. Arnold—l am not aware that Saunders swore before me that he had had nothing to eat or drink ; and whether he had or had not, I cannot see that it could be material to the issue. Mr. Hutchinson—lt goes • to his credit ; if he is discredited in one particular his evidence is not re liable in another. But the evidence of his being at the shop of Mrs. Crowe and purchasing this pud ding involves another and more important point. It shows that he has again falsely stated that he saw the prisoner brought out of the court by the police ; that after seeing Maloney commit this mur der he remained at the end of the court until he was so brought out, when i❑ truth he had been in Mrs Crowe's shop some minutes when he was brought out. Permit me to call your attention, particularly to the circumstances that occurred at Mrs. Crowe's. A little girl named Scott ran into her shop at a few minutes past 12, and explained that a woman had cut her throat in Legg-court ; immediately upon which Saunders enters the Shop, complains of being very tired, sits down and calls for a pennyworth of pudding, remains there until he has talked about family matters and Maloney is brought out, and afterwards swears that he went into no refresh ment-house, but remained at the top of the court. Surely this shows him unworthy of credit. Mr. Arnold—What do you allege as the first assignment of perjury ? Mr. Hutchinson—The first part is to negative his being near the spot at all. Mr. Arnold—According to your own showing he was within a 150 yards of Legg-court when at the shop of Mrs. Crowe ; her evidence would set him up and show that he must have been close to it. Mr, Hutchinson—Not at the time Maloney was brought out by the police, which he swore. Mr. Arnold—But he might have been when the alleged fatal blow was struck. Mr. Hutchinson—We deny that he saw any such blow struck, or that it ever was struck. We can show by the most abundant testimony that Saun ders could not have been in Legg-court at all ; he must have been seen had he been there. M. r. Arnold—That is very negative evidence; the testimony of Mrs. Crowe would go to prove that he was about the•spot, and the evidence of the wit nesses taken before me shows that there were a great many people about. Mr. Hutchinson—Not at first, I think; not till after the policeman went down the court. Mr. Arnold—l understand there were two wit nesses called upon the trial who swore they saw him go down the court. Mr. Hutchinson—There was a woman who swore she lived opposite the court in Peter-street, and was looking out of the window when she saw a man go down with a black felt hat on, whereas Saunders wore a brown straw one ; that she did not see his face, and did not see him come back out of the court. She was asked if she could point him out, d did without seeing his back, but at time the matv. 9r had been so canvassed, and he had been brougix; backward and forward by the police that every on , in the neighbourhood knew him. She had caught but ).7. casual glimpse of him. mr. Hampl ,:reys, an inspector 9f the B division, the officer en i jed n . the case, and the chief clerk of the court, ccplamed that the woman had identified the man ,; unders, and had sworn at S . the trial that she distill: ctly saw his profile each e saw Saunders there way on the day the woman died. The conduct of the other woman who swore Ea: was most extraordinary. She 81lid she was passing the court, saw him there, and heai: d , him say there was murder being done ; but did not attend befor . e the coroner's jury to give that evidenCe c; before e not come to that court to give her evevidentshe did the magistrate, but made her appearance tie verY day before the trial at the police-station, after a :lum ber of examinations, and the matter had gone the round of the newspapers, to say she saw Saunders ;,n the court. I have every reas on to believe ithat there two women are mist aken in Saunders'den tity. Jam told that there is a man for wh om he has bon taken, so much like him that if he were placed in a corner amongst others, he would be picked out for him: Mr. Arnold—lt comes to this, that two women swear, to the best of their belief, Saunders was in the court, and those whom you would call w ou ld s wear to the best of their belief that he was not . how could you expect that upon such a co n fli ct o f t es ti m ony any one would be convicted of perjury. Mr. Hutchinson — l have not only the evidence of four or five other respectable persons, b u t th at o f Mr. Howe, the grocer opposite the end Of th e court, who, standing there transacting bu s i ness w i th a gentleman, must most unquestionably have seen Saunders had he been there. Mr. Arnold—A man who was standing at his 'nor talking to another on business is not likely to - , rnisance of any person who passed. • - hinson--Sounders is so very peculiar in his appearance that any lady take e,,, Mr. Mu._ and conspicuoub must have remarked 80, anything so remarkable Mr. Arnold—l do not s unless attention was or conspicuous in the man, prrticularly called to him. for 4 1 :1 Ilutchinm—A io lairooo4o stranger, whatever his appearance, to be in that court without everybody coming out to see him. Mr. Arnold—Let me understand exactly what you propose to prove step by step. Mr. Hutchinson—Firstly, that Saunders has falsely sworn that he saw the deed done, for that he was not in the court at all ; and that five persons, all worthy of credit, will swear. Mr. Arnold—Again, the two witnesses who were called upon the trial will swear that he was. Pray understand me, in a case of life and death like the present I am most anxious that the fullest and fairest investigation should be given to the matter on behalf of the accused; but at the same time I must observe that only in common justice to the witness against whom you ate now applying, I should be exceedingly sorry to cast the imputat;ion of perjury upon him unless I saw my way vi> ry clearly. And Ido not think that a jury, with tile conflict of evidence before them about his not boil ag in the court, would convict him on that ground. Mr. Hutchinson My other point is, th; it Saunders falsely swore before the coroner—and I have the foreman and four others of the jury to , prove it—that ho remained at the end of the icourt till the man was brought out ; that he had IT a re freshment ; never went into any refreshment In >use ; in all of which I will prove he has sworn false ly. Mr. Arnold—The foreman and jury may speak to the best of their recollection, but their memory is not to be relied upon for precise words which may be very material—like depositions or notes. If t' .ere was perjury committed upon the trial would it .not be better to apply to the Judge at Chambers ? Mr. Hutchinson -- I understand Mr. Just ice Byles is out of town. I understand that this is my proper course. Permit me to point out how very material his statement is, of remaining at the top of the court, because it is by that he fixes the identity of the person he saw brought out ; he was, in truth and in fact, in the pie-shop, and had not the same opportunity of seeing, although he went outside with Mrs. Crowe, as though he had been where he declared. Mr. Arnold—lt is not material as to seeing the blow struck, as it had been struck before he went it i. Mr. Hutchinson—The matter is discussed over his pudding, and he makes a declaration to 11,1 rs. Crowe that he bad heard of it, when, if ho is to be believed, he has seen it. Wo always thought from the beginning that he never saw the occurrence, but that he heard of it ; that while li Bak ing to a friend the next day he boasted about sen eing it, was unwillingly brought forward by that fir.iend to this court, and was then obliged to stand b, s • his declaration. Maloney now, as before you, ',most strenuously denies his guilt ; his condemnation, rests upon the contradicted evidence of Saunders. Re member, sir, how strong the evidence was in Hatch's case, remember what was the result, and. this is precisely similar. Mr. Arnold—There was certainly this differot ice, that the judge ordered the proceedings in Ha t4-_,th's favour, and that he was suffering his punishin ent when they were taken. You cannot try this per jury before the law should take its effect upon,tho convict. Mr. Hutchinson—lf I am successful, as I hope I shall be, in this application to you, and you gri int process against Saunders for pel jury, there we ald be an immediate reprieve while nis truth was be ing tested. Mr. Arnold—This is of course a very serious en se, and I should wish informations on oath in writing of all the assignments of perjury ; it is butter titan viva voce testimony. I shall then see how far the facts go, how far they are contradicted; and if so, whether material. In an important matter of ads description that course would be more satisfactory. Mr. Hutchinson undertook to supply the infor mations as directed, for the worthy magistrate to give the matter his most careful consideration. COUNTRY MARKETS. NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYNE—Ocr. 7. At this corn market there was a tolerable show of wheat, which met a healthy demand ; prices rather improved om the previous week—white making 56s to 638,1 red 48s to 578. The demand for barley was middling, and the, same in value. Oats were in small show, with a slow^ sale, from 24s to 30s per 24 stone. Beans met with firm sale, from 48s to 50s per qr. BRISTOL—Ocr, 8. At Our market to-day there was a fair attendance of millers, but a limited business was done, and prices were no lower than last Tuesday. In all spring corn wehave no alteration to report. LEEDS—OcT. 8. The reported arrivals of grain are moderato. We have had a fair business to-day, and both old and new wheat of fine quality advanced is upon last week's currencies, and secondary descriptions command late rates. The best bar leys good to soil, but inferior sorts offered at a decline• Other articles unchanged. MELTON MOWBRAY—OcT. S. There was a small show of wheat to-day, which sold readily at the prices of last week, with a fair attendance. Barley a middling show, and late rates supported. For oats quotations were steady. Prices :—White wheat, 55s 0 , 1 to 59s Od ; red, 50s Od to 54s per 36 stone ; beans firm, at 44s to 50s for old ; new sorts, —s per 38 st. ; barley, 37a to 40s for melting, and 30s to 32s per qr. for grinding ; oats, 24s to 34s Od pier 24 stone. NORWICII CATTLE. The show of store cattle to-day consisted of an excellent supply of Scots, Devons, shorthorns, and Irish. A large attendance of buyers. gales were brisk, and at the close few remained unsold. Scots, 48 (kJ to 58 6d ; shorthorns, 4s Gd to 58 ; Irish, 3s Gd to 4s Od ; Devons, 4s to 4s Gd (estimated weight whoa Jai • Fat beasts a small show and sales firm, at Ss Od to Ss 6d per 141 b. Sheep—There was a good supply of sheep in the pens and a fair sale: Fat sheep, 8s Od to 8s 6d per stone ; prime, Os Od , and all sold. Figs- b s—A fair supply. Store: pigs, 16s to 20s ; f a t p or k, 73 6dto,Ss Od per stone. FOBEIGN MAIL PACKET LIST. MAILS DUE. Australia and Mauritius, via Southampton. Oct. 19. via Marseilles .........Oct. 13., Brazil and Cape Verds, by British packet. Nov. 4. Cape of Good Hope, Ascension, and St. Helena.. Nov. 1. China, Penang, and Singapore, via Southampton. Oct. 19. via Marseilles ...Oct. 13. Falkland Islands Gibraltar, via Southampton India (Calcutta), and. Ceylon, via Southarapton Oct. 19. 1 India (Bombay), via S or urthar p v t i o u n Marseilres oet. 13. OcL 11. via Marseilles Oct. 20. Lisbon Oct, 11. Malta, Egypt, and Aden, via Southampton Oct. 11. via Marseilles Oct. 13. Newfoundland Oporto and Vigo U. S. and British N. America, by Brit. packet Oct. 10: by U.S. packet by Canadian packet. Oct. 9. W.C. of Africa, Madeira, and Teneriffe Oct.. 10. Bahamas, via New York ' Mexico All parts of West Indies, including Chili, Peru, 1 0ct.34. California,and British Columbia. 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