The Sun. — London, England, 1834-06-13 00:00:00

s FA ay - fl 71.4 EDITION SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock. THE LONDON GAZETTE THIS EVENING. CROWN-OFFICE, JUNE 13. MEMBER RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT PA RLIA MENT. COUNTY OF FERMANAGH.—Mervyn Archdall, the room of Mervyn Archdall, Esq., who has accepted the Chiltern Hundreds. WHITEHALL, JUNE 13. The King has been pleased to direct letters patent to be passed under the Great Seal, constituting and appointing the Right Hon. James Abcrcromby to be Master and Worker of his Majesty's Mint. FOREIGN-OFFICE, JUNE 13. The King has been graciously pleased to approve of 11Ir. Adolphe Frederic Schatzler, as Consul in London for his Majesty the King of Greece. WAR-OFFICE, JUNE 13. 2d Regiment of Dragoon Guards—Cornet G. H. 'Elliott to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Dann, who retires ; Cornet M. J. Robert Earl of Roscommon, from the 13th Light Dragoons, to be Cornet, vice Elliott, June 13. sth Dragoon Guards—Lieut. J. A.L. Stronge, from the 69tH Foot, to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Knox, who retires, June 13. 13th Regiment of Light Dragoons--J. Hussep, Gent., to be Cornet, by purchase, vice the Earl of Roscommon, appointed to the 2d Dragoon Guards, June 13. 16th Light Dragoons—T. Pattie, Gent., to be Cornet, by purchase, vice Rodon, who retires, June 13. _ _ - 39th Regiment of Foot—G. Martin, Gent., to be As sistant-Surgeon, vice flair, appointed to the Staff, June 13. 56th Foot—Major J. Wilson from half-pay Unat tached, to be Major, vic e W. Mitchell, who exchanges, June 13. 57th Foot—Ensign F. H. Worsley to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Patullo, who retires; J. Allan, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Worsley, June 13. 59th Foot—Ensign A. J. L. Peebles to be Lieutenant, ay purchase, vice Stronge, appointed to the sth Dragoon Guards ; C. Cowley, Gent, to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Peebles, June 13. 75th Foot—Captain F. Shearman, from half-pay Royal Staff Corps, to be Captain, vice T. Stevenson, who ex changes, receiving the difference, June 13. 77th Foot—. Lieut. A. Hope, from half-pay Unattached, to be Lieutenant, vice T. L. Butler, who exchanges, re ceiving the difference, June 13. _ _ Foot—Quartermaster G. Edwards, from half-pay 2d Garr;son Battalion, to be Quartermaster, vice Collins, who has retired, receiving a co hmutation, June 13. 99th Foot—Ensign Macdonald, from the 2d West India Regiment, to be Quartermaster, vice Berry, who has retired, receiving a commutation, June 13. 2d West India Regiment—Lieut. W. A. Hill, to be Captain, by purchase, vice Hawkes, who retires; Ensign J. D. Macdonald, to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Hill; H. Bird, Gent., to be Ensign, without purchase, vice Cooper, deceased, June 13. Ceylon Regiment—Second Lieut. A. Johnstone to be First Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Lawder, who retires; W. Price, Gent., to be Second Lieutenant, by purcoase, vice Johnstone, June 13. HOSPITAL STAFF. —Assistant-Surgeon J. Mair, M.D., from the 39th Foot, to be Assistant-Surgeon, vice Proc tor, appointed to the .56th Foot, June 13. MEMO KA ND UM. —The christian names of Cornet Yates, of the Ist Dragoons, are William Charles ; the christian name of Ensign Douglas, of the 14th Foot, is William, and not Charles, as stated in the Gazette of the 23c1 Commission by the Lord-Lieutenant of the North Riding of the County of York. James Pulleine (and not Pulleive, as inserted in last Tuesday's Gazette), Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant, June 2. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the Cr nty of Southampton. South Avon Troop of Yeomanry Cavalry. J. Olive,, Gent., to be Cornet, vice the Hon. C. Harris, resigned, M ay 22. DECLARATIONS OF INSOLVENCY. CHRISTOPHER QUELLE, furrier, Ludgate-hill. RICHARD BENNETT, linen-drapar, Worcester. T Z kNKRUPT S. JAMES GOl - _7: N, scrivener, Orchard-street, Port man-square, to surrender June 26 and July 25, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Edwards, Pancras-lane, official assignee ; Lucas, Copthall-court. THOMAS WEEDON, victualler, Southall, Middle /sex, June 27, at eleven, and July 25, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Gibson, Basinghall-street, official aseiguee; Robinson and Son, Half-moon-street, Picca. dilly ; Ritchings, Staines. PHILIP BENNS, grocer, Manchester, June 25, at eleven, and July 25, at two, at the Commissioners'.rooms Manchester. Bowley and. Stainbank, Manchester ; Cu velje and Enfield, Souttamton-buildings, Chancerp-lane. JOHN PERRY, innkeeper, New Sarum, Wiltshire, June 16 and Jul , .; 25, at eleven, at the Cross Keys Inn, New Sarum. Nodding and Everett, Salisbury ; Hillier, Lewis, and r sfillier, Gray's-Inn, London. WILLIAM HARRIS, laceman, Southampton-street, Covent-garden, June 27, at one, and July 25, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Groom, Abchurch-lane, official assignee ; Smith, Angel-court, Throgmorton-street. JAMES SCOTSON, druggist, Wigan, Lancashire, June 24 and July 25, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Gibson, official assignee, Basinghall-street ; Brookes and Cooper, John-street, Bedford-row. WILLIAM WILKINSON, innkeeper, York, June 23 and July 25, at eleven, at the office of Mr. Anderson, York. Anderson,York; Lever, Gray's Inn-square London. JOHN MATTHEWS, linen-draper, Tooley-street, Southwark, June 24, and July 25, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, King's Arms-yard, Coleman-street, official assignee ; Lloyd, Crown-court, Cheapside. HENRY PAYNE, grocer, Rotherham, Yorkshire, June 27, at one, and July 25, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Osbaldeston and Murray, London-street, Fenchurch-street ; Lackington, official assignee, Basing hall-street. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, THIS EVENING. HO USE OF LORDS. The Earl Of SHAFTESBURY sat as Speaker. The Staines Bridge Bill was read a third time, and passed. The Perth Harbour Bill was read a second time. An account was presented from the Admiralty of the payments to Greenwich from the wages of mer chant seamen. _ _ . Lord KENYON presented several petitions against the admission of Dissenters to the Universities, and for protection generally to the Church, from Den bigh and other places. The Earl of HAREWO OD presented a similar petition from the parish of Walton, in Yorkshire. Lord ROLLE presented a petition from Exeter, signed by 4,000 persons, praying for protection to the established church, and nine others to the same effect, from parishes in the county of Devon. The LORD CHANCELLOR had great pleasure in presenting a petition from the most respectable in habitants of Liverpool in favour of the bill for prevent ing the use of climbing boys in cleaning chimneys—it •was most numerously signed. He also presented one to the same effect from Frome, in Somersetshire. Lord SUFFIELD presented petitions for the better observance of the Sabbath, from several Wes leyan Methodist congregations in London and the country; also, one from Hull, praying for the abolition of turnpikes. JEWISH DISABILITIES' REMOVAL BILL. The Marquis of WESTMINSTER, understanding that it would be more convenient to many of their lordship 3, postponed the: second reading of this bill till Tueslay week. The Bishop of LONDON presented petitions against the claims of the Dissenters and for protection to the church from St. Giles's, and a number of places in the counties of Norfolk and Herts. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from Gloucester against the use of boys in cleaning chimneys. Similar petitions were presented by the LORD CHANCELLOR, from Nottingham, and the Duke of SUTHELRAND, from Evesham. On the motion of the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, the house went into committee on the Roman Catholic Marriages (Scotland) Bill, which was reported, with a verbal amendment. CHIMNEY-SWEEPERS' REGULATION BILL. The Duke of SUTHERLAND moved the second reading of this bill. The Earl of H ADDINGTON would not offer any opposition to the bill, but begged to remind the house that a noble friend of his, now at Oxford, had pre sented a petition, from the master chimney-sweepers, praying to be heard by counsel against the bill. He therefore thought the second reading of the bill should be delayed for a few days. The Marquis of WESTMINSTER considered any clay in the progress of the bill totally unnecessary, principles of the bill having been already discussed. Lord KENYON wished to know whether the noble duke, who had moved the second reading of the bill, would consent to the proposition of his noble friend (Earl of Haddington)? He thought the bill ought to be referred to a select committee. _ _ _ The Duke of SUTHERLAND thought the delay unnecessary, but if it ;were the wish of the house, he would accede to the proposition. After some further observations from Lord Kenyon, the Duke of Richmond, the Earl of Haddington, the Duke of Hamilton, Viscount Melville, Lord Suffield, and Earl Grcy, who stated that he was anxious the bill should be referred to a select committee, the bill was read a second time. The Bishop of WINCHESTER presented peti tions against the Beer Bill, from parishes in South ampton and Winchester. MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS. Mr. Tooke and other Members of the House of Commons brought up the Justice of Peace (Ireland) Bill, the Monmouth Market Bill, and several other private bills. The bills on the table were forwarded a stage, and the house adjourned at ten minutes before six till to morrow morning. , HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the chair at twenty-five minutes past five o'clock. Mr. HUTT moved for a return of the gross re ceipts of the Custom-house of Hull, for the year end ing the sth of January, 1834, disting the amount and nature of the drawbacks.—Ordered. Mr. GILL ON moved for a copy of the resolutions entered into by the justices of the peace and commis sioners of supply for the county of Linlithgow, rela tive to the granting of licenses. Mr. ROBARTS presented a petition from Maid stone against certain clauses in the Poor Laws' Amend ment Bill. Mr. PINNEY presented a petition from a place in Somersetsire against drunkenness. Mr. R. SHAW presented a petition from Deben ham, praying for an alteration in the Church Rates' Bill. Mr. TOWER moved for a return of all grants of any portion of forest or waste lands made for the use and benefit of any parish to the commissioners of his Majesty's treasury under the Ist and 2d William IV. Ordered. Mr. ROBIN SON presented a petition from the Parish of All Saints, City of Worcester, in support of the Established Church, and complaining of the extent of demands made by the Dissenters. Mr. COBB ET T gave notice that, before going into Committee on the Poor Laws Amendment Bill on Monday next, he should move a resolution to the effect that, before any relief be granted in any parish, an assessment be made equal to one-fourth the annual amount of the revenues of the abbey lands and im propriate tithes of such parish. Lord AL TH 0 R P wished to suggest some arrange ments respecting the business of the house. The morning sittings of Tuesdays and Thursdays had been approprieted to the committee on the Poor Laws Bill, but he regretted to say little progress hed been made at those during the present week. He would not make a motion, but he asked the house to add Wednesdays to the order days, and to allow Government orders to take precedence on Wednesday mornings. Sir R. PE EL said that he had no objection to such an '.rrangement as far as he was concerned ; but he would take that opportunity of arguing upon b's Majesty's ministers the necessity of fixing days on which those important questions, the University Bill, and the Irish Tithe Commuta tion Bill would be discussed. The anxiety of the public respecting these measures could not be exaggerated. The University Bill stood for a second reading on Monday next, and he should wish to ask the noble lord if he intended to bring it forward that day. Lord AL THORP certainly understood that it was with the active concurrence of the house that the course now pursued should be adopted. He under stood it was considered that the best mode of con ducting the business during the present session would , be to take one measure at a time. It was with this view he had persevered in inducing the house to take into consideration the Poor Laws' Bill as often as he could. It would certainly be the most convenient mode that the committee should be allowed to finish the Poor Poor Laws' Bill before the house entered into any other measure. There, necessarily, would be an interval between the breaking up of the committee and the re-consideration of the measure by the house, and he had intended to take that interval in which to bring forward the Irish Tithe Commission Bill. (Hear, hear, hear.) At present, it was impossible for him to pledge himself for any specific day on which he might be able to bring forward the measure. Sir R. PE EL said that if the noble lord's intima tion amounted to this, that it would not be expedient that one measure should be laid on the table until another was disposed of (and that as in the present instance) applied to measures of a very multifareous nature. it would be impossible to form an idea when the Irish Tithe Commission Billl might be brought forward. For his own part he saw no reason why the dis cussion should not be introduced upon the principles of this most important bill. Lord ALT HO R P said a few words, which were not heard. Sir R. PEEL said that he believed the proposal in the committee would be, whether certain clauses in the measure brought forward by the government for effecting certain alterations in the church of Ireland should be omitted or not. Sir E. KNACHBULL said that if the noble lord's intention, or if the understanding of the house was, that one single measure such as the Poor Laws' Bill, should be finished before any other was entered upon, he was afraid that those measures alone which were in the hands of his Majesty's government alone would receive any attention. However that might be, he really thought the house ought to know what was to be done next week. If business was to have Mon day, Wednesday, & Friday, there would only be two days remaining for other business ; and he should be glad then to be informed what the course intended to be pursued during the next week was. What was to become of the whole of the business that stood for Wednesday for instance ? He himself had something for that day. Was it to be postponed till the following Tuesday, or was he to have no opportunity whatever for bringing forward his discussion ? Lord AL THORP was understood to say that those Orders of the Day which stood for Wednesday next, would be taken at the Morning sitting on Thursday. Mr. GO ULBU RN objected to have such important measures discussed in the morning. Private busi ness occupied the house every morning till one o'clock, and there could not be a more inconvenient mode of conducting the public business, than taking of the time of the house in discussing them for two days a week, and for two hours each day, such a mode would render the debates interminable. Sir J. SC ARLETT said that if it was the wish of the house to banish all men of business, they would do the public business in the morning. ( Hear, hear.) It would be utterly impossible for him to at tend at the morning sittings, and he did not think the alteration would be any improvemext. ( Hear.) After a few words from Lord AL THOR P which were wholly unintelligible, Mr. O'CONNEL L said that the house was already sufficiently infested with lawyers—(Loud cries of " Hear,") to make it undesirable that anS proceeding should take place, which should not be for the accommodation of the public but the lawyers. It was very extraordinary that any gentleman in that house should think the attendance of lawyers, however respectable, of more importance than the interests of the people. He was of opinion that the house ought to sit by day, and never would the public business be well done till it was confinedwholly to day-time. There was great inconvenience in night business, and a great quantity of public business of great importance was hurried through that house without sufficient consider ation, in consequence of the discussions taking place in the night time. ( Hear, hear.) For both clients and the house could not have the attendance of the members who were lawyers. He was for preferring the public, and leaving the clients by them selves. Let gentlemen consider that there were in that house members from the remotest parts of Ireland and Scotland, and who were there at a distance from 100 to 1,000 miles from their own residences, and there fore he did not think it was paying sufficient defe rence to those who came from distant parts to say they were to sit up debating all night for the convenience of those who lived near. He and all the other Irish members who were lawyers, were obliged to come here, there being no other place at present to which they could be sent. ( Hear, hear, and laughter.) He hoped that before they were a year older, a resolution would be passed to the effect that they should do no business at all by night. All other public bodies did their business by day, and there Was no public assembly in the world that did business over midnighl, except the Dritish House of Commons, and sometimes a short snatce of the Lords. ( Hear, hear, and laughter.) Sir J. SC ARL ETT never meant to view the ques tion as one personally to himself, and if the house were to agree to sit during the day, the house would not be merely fiilled with lawyers, but exclaiming Irish law yers. (Laughter. Mr. ROBINSON said that no member knew from one day to the other what would be brou,g l .li at in the house, or what would not. ( or Hear, hear. , ) It would be only a indulgence Tr.;,tter of ‘eourteaey that the utmost snould be . given to Wery hon. member cons.'.dtent with duty, If any one were to look over the notice-bee+, he would find 20 orders ofthe w da a y s , and 20 notices of mo ti ons f or ever y n ight, which a ',lisgrace to any deliberative assembly. ( Hear, hear, hear.) He would not mention any one in particular, but as far as government were concerned, they should bring forward their measures at an earlier period of the session, because every member liked to have an opportunity of deliberating upon them. It was only last night that the Attorney General brought in new bills ; he did not object to them, but he did object to the time at which they were brought in, and he he felt satisfied that not tenth of the business could be got through during the present session. He thought it uncourteous to hon. members—although he did not mean to apply that term to the noble lord himseif, for he thought, if any thing, the noble lord was rather too courteous ( Hear, hear, hear), but it was uncourteous on the part of government towards hon. members to bring forward questions at such a late period of the session. Lord AI ORPET H complained that the noble lord was charged by one party with bringing forward too much business, and by another party with not doing enough, ( Hear, hear.) He thought both charge s ' were equally unfounded, because every measure must go through certain stages before it can be passed into a law. He was satisfied they never would be able to get through the business of the house, unless some hon. members would observe a little more abstinence, (Loud cries of " Hear, hear," in the number of ad dresses they felt it their doty to make to that house. ( Cheers.) Lord ALTHORP said a few words in explanation. He believed the Poor Laws Bill could not be brought in sooner, and that little time had been lost since the bill had been brought in. After a few words from Mr. G. W. WOOD and Sir E. KNATCHBULL against the proposition, Colonel DA VIE S rose to bring forward the resolu tions of which he had given notice, that during the rest of the session the house will on Tuesdays and Thursdays proceed to orders of the day at the sittings between twelve and three, in addition to the business already appointed to be done at this meeting. And, secondly, that orders of the house have precedence of petitions on Tuesdays and Thursdays. The SPEAKER then put the question, that the order of the day for the house resolving itself into a com mittee on the Poor Laws' Amendment Bill be read. Lord ALTHORP rose, and was (LEFT SPEAKING.) IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 12. RUSSIA-DUTCH LOAN. Lord PA LM E RT S 0 N agreed with the hon. mem ber that if Russia had violated the stipulations of the treaty with her she would have forfeited the con tinuance of the payment, and if the British go vernment had good reason to suppose that Russia contemplated a violation, it would be their duty to suspend any payment that was due till they should have ascertained that Russia was pre pared to fulfil her engagements. Beyond that he (Lord P.) did not agree with the hon. member, that this was a case to authorize the British Government to postpone, or refuse to make good its payment. He could not therefore agree to the proposed restriction, as that would imply a suspicion of the good faith of Russia, and would express a condemnation of her acts, which in his (Lord P.'s) judgment, they did not deserve, and he would therefore move the previous question. The hon. member (Col. Evans) seemed to think that his convention had a wider scope than it really had. And if he (Colonel Evans) had not only attended to the words but remembered the manner in which it was formed, and the circumstances that led to it, he would then have seen that it did not bear the extended application which he ( Colonel Evans) was disposed to make. What was the history of that convention ? There was a difference of understanding upon the subject of this convention between him (Lord Pal merston) and the hon. member for Westminster. He ( Col. E.) seemed to consider that there was a condi tion attached to a continued payment of sums stipulated, applying to all the affairs of Europe of any period. Now, in his opinion, it applied solely to the affairs of Belgium ; it was quite obvious that this only could be the fair construction put upon it. There had been a former agreement between Russia and this country by which this country was bound to make an annual payment to Russia upon the continuance of the union between Holland and Belgium. ( Hear, hear.) As the house well knew, the separation of those two countries had since occurred but not in the manner contemplated by the framers of the con vention, and therefore he did not consider that they could with good faith claim a complete cessation of this payment. The separation between Holland and Belgium had not taken place contrary to the wishes of the British government, which was a condition of the cessation of this payment. The separation did take place between Holland and Belgium, and he should say, moreover, the original convention contemplated a separation of Belgium and Holland by French invasion and by the force of French arms. The separation did take place, and it took place in consequence of internal differences be tween the northern and southern provinces. That separation was sanctioned not by this government, but by the five powers. The British government, with a view to the preservation of the peace of Europe, were most anxious that that separation should take place, and that it should be sanctioned by a general treaty. Therefore they felt they had but one alternative, which was to continue their good 1 faith. That being the case, it formed an obvious scheme for the interpretation of the conditions imposed on Russia, and he had no hesitation in saying that if at any time the Russian government endeavoured in any way to undo the arrangement of the treaty of November, 1831, the government would be entirely released from the payment, and would make that exception. Now with regard to the particular case mentioned by the hon. and gallant member, namely, the unwillingness of Russia to unite with France against Holland. He could not maintain that Russia, by refusing to concur in that operation, had entitled government to sustain the forfeiture. Russia declined having recourse to that particular mode of operation, but she did not say she would not carry into execution the treaty of 1831. She proposed other means of carrying that treaty into execution. Having thus far answered the observations of the hon. member, lie was per fectly ready to admit that if the case did arise which was contemplated in his resolution, it would be the duty of government to suspend the payment. The question having been put, Mr. HUME thought the motion was prema ture. He doubted very much whether Russia was inclined to fulfil her engagements, although she was bound equally with Great Britain to preserve the integrity of Belgium. He repeated that Russia was not fulfilling her engagements with this country, and that the money which was to have been paid on the faith of the fulfilment of these engagements should not be paid. On the contrary, he believed it was to the influence of Russia that the present unpleasant differences existed between Belgium and Holland. ( Question.) The question was then put, and negatived without a division. IRISH PARLIAMENTS. Mr. BISH brought forward the motion of which he had given notice, that an humble address be pre sented to his Majesty, praying that he would be pleased to hold his Parliament occasionally in Ireland. His object merely was the pacification of Ireland. Much of the difficulty he might experience was smoothed down by the fact, that his motion had nothing to do with party or politics,—that it might be supported by the ins as well as those who had gone out of office ( Laughter)—by the corpora tors as well as the anti-corporators, and by Whigs, Tories, and Radicals. ( Laughter.) It deserved also the support of repealers and anti-repeal ers. It would show the former that they had nothing to seek for, and the latter that they had nothing to fear. Many of the members of that house, the hon. members for Dublin, and for Edinburgh, and for Liverpool, and for many other towns, called each other hon. and learned friends. Now he would call himself honour able and learned too (Laughter), for he should pro ceed after their manner to prove his case. It had bath said tnat such a motion as this was interfering with the King's prerogative. This he denied. There was nothing dictatorial in his motion, for it only con tained a p ra y er . ( A l aug h.) H e did hope when the present government came into office that they would have done something to remedy the degraded state that Ireland was in—the disgusting state (Loud laughter)—he did not mean it offensively, but it was really disgusting to see that eotintry in such a situation, lie wa.§ greatly disappointed in the present gbVernhient. They had done nothing for Irelarid. The great stumbling-block to the prosperity of Ireland was absenteeism. Unless the absentees could be got back to Ireland, that country never would he quiet ; and to get them back you must make the land palatable, for until it was palatable to them they could never be got back. ( A laugh.) The absentees would not return to Ireland as it was ; they would not go there in its present state, since they very well knew they would run the danger of having their throats cut for them once a week. ( Laughter.) The very announcement that a Court and Parliament were about to be held in Ireland would do the greatest good. Though he did not intend to complain of the present Irish magistracy, he believed that before absenteeism prevailed there was a better set of resident gentlemen and magistrates in Ireland. (Laughter.) The fact was that persons holding official situations—persons connected with government—were totally strangers to Ireland and to Irish matters. The only gentleman in the house belonging to the government that knew anything about Ireland was then out of the house. ( Loud laughter.) The truth was, all that Englishmen knew of their own country was the shortest way to get out of it. If his motion were agreed to, the advantages derived from it would pay much more than the ex penses attendant upon it, and in the end he ventured to prophesy there would be a considerable saving to the revenue. If Ireland were quiet, English capi talists would go there. Party spirit ran high in Ire land ; and he was sorry to see that persons in office in Ireland encouraged this spirit. Now, if he were in power, and if he had any control over them, they should soon go to the right-about. (Laughter.) He had been much among the Irish ; he knew something of them, and he knew that all they wanted was to have good social feeling kept up between this country and them. He recollected the time when Dublin was a gay and lively city, but a total change had lately taken place in its appearance; it looked just now as if the cholera had taken possession of it. (Laughter.) Where were its resident nobility and gentry ? They were fled, and were squandering their money and their time in foreign lands. ( Hear, from the Irish members. ) There was a way of bringing a real union about be tween the two countries. The real union he meant was a pleasant, and he hoped that to the Irish members it would prove an unobjectionable one : it was that pleasant union that might be effected by marriages and intermarriages between the sons and daughters of both countries. ( Roars of laughter, and cheers from the Irish members.) This was the union they wanted—this was the union that would never create a wish for separation. (Laughter.) He could scarcely contemplate precisely the extent of the beneficial con sequences of such an union. How much money and how much of everything also would be spent when Irish and English families were mixed up in this way. If a court and parliament were over in Ireland great markets and everything of that kind would be soon established there. Ireland might even be made the resort of fashion. She possessed within her bowels plenty of mineral and other waters ( Roars of laugh , ter), for the gratification and attraction of persons of every degree. The result of the success of his mo tion would be to increase the wealth, ay, and the popu lation, of the empire into the bargain. (Laughter. ) It would be advantageous even to the Royal Family. They would be no longer State prisoners. He could never understand why the King was made a State prisoner of, the moment he came to the throne. Until he became King he might go where he liked, do what he liked, and nobody took any notice of him. ( A laugh.) His motion would give him greater freedom. Besides, it would be the cause of great convenience to that house, it would rid it of Irish business, and Irish members in their own Par liament would look after their own affairs. The hon. gentleman here alluded to a speech of Mr. O'Connell's, spoken, we believe, out of doors, and said that that hon. and learned member very justly complained that, in consequence of a separate Parlia ment, Irish members were obliged to leave their homes and their families to come to this country, and to take their place beside a set of foreign legislators : and, moreover, that they were obliged to live in garrets with cats and dogs. (Laughter.) He would conclude by moving (though he had asked nobody to second the motion), " That an humble address be presented to his Majesty that he will be graciously pleased to hold his Court and Parliament occasionally in that part of the United Kingdom called Ireland." Mr. RUTHVEN seconded the motion. He re gretted the manlier in which it had been received by the house ; it deserved something better at the hands of hon. gentlemen than to be treated with mirth and merriment. The question was then put. Mr. LALOR thought it better that the motion should not be pressed to a division, but if it were he would certainly support it. The gallery was then cleared for a division. None took place, and the motion was accordingly negatived. THE REGISTRAR OF OSSORY. Mr. LITTLETON rose to move that Mr. Grace, the registrar of the diocese of Ossory, be called to the bar for not making certain returns in obedience to the order of the house. An order had been made at the early part of the session for certain returns, which had been obeyed by all the registrars in Ireland except the person he had alluded to, who had, instead of making the returns, entered into a frivolous controversy with Sir W. Gossett. He (Mr. Littleton) therefore moved that Mr. Grace be ordered to attend on this day fortnight. Mr. SH A W had received a letter from this person, in which he stated that he was unable to make some of the returns. It would be too much to make him come to the bar when his disobedience of the orders of the house did not arise from any want of respect to the house, but from want of knowledge. After a few words from Mr. LITTLETON,WT. HUME, and Mr. RUTHVEN, the motion was agreed to. POST OFFICE. Mr. R. WALL ACE moved for a copy of any letter or other document transmitted to the treasury by the late commissioners of revenue inquiry, in reply to the statements made by the Post-office department in the reports made by the said commissioners. Lord AL THO RP had no objection to lay the do cument on the table of the house, but this could not be done until his noble friend the Duke of Richmond had made those observations on the document which he might deem necessary, and which would be laid on the table at the same time. Mr. R. WALL ACE hoped that it would be printed with as little delay as possible. Lord A L T H 0 R P— Certainly. Motion agreed to. POSTMASTER-GENERAL. Mr. R. WALL ACE rose to move that an address be presented, praying that his Majesty will be gra ciously pleased to place the office of Postmaster-Gene ral under a Board of C o mmissioners, as had been strongly recommended from time to time in the reports made by three commissions appointe d to inquire into and report on the management of the Post-office. He would not have brought the subject under the atten tion of the house did he not think it most desirable. for t he public service to make the altera tion which he proposed. It was not merely an abstract q uestion whether they should have a Postmaster-General or a Board of Commissioners to perform the duties of that office. Not less than three different boards of revenue inquiry had recommended that the office of Post master - General should be put in to commission. H e was sure, if the house looked into the detail of the Post office, it would be found that a great saving would re sult from this change, and that the adopti on o f i t would tend to the advancement of this bran c h o f t h e pu b l i c se rvice. It had bee n said. that the on l y sav i ng that co uld accrue to the public from this change was the mere difference between the amount of salaries to be paid to the Commissioners and the salary now paid to the P o stmaster-General; but, in point of fact, the change of system that would result f rom t h e adop tion of his proposition would lead to a saving of between two and three hundred thousand pounds a year. He was sure also that three efficient com missioners could be found whose salaries would not amount to more than the sum now paid to the Post master-General. He meant those men of business who would perform the duties of the office in the most able manner. He was satisfied that no Peer of Par liament could perform these duties and at the same time attend to the business of Parliament. Again, there was annexed to the office of Postmaster-Gene ral the most fearful and dangerous patronage, and which had become more dangerous since the Reform Bill had passed. The Postmaster-General had the appointment of all the postmasters and the other officers connected with the department in England, Ireland, Scotland, and the colonies. He had not only immense patronage in this country, but throughout the whole empire. It was well known that this pa tronage had been, and was likely to become more so, the nucleus of political influence in almost every city and town in the country. As a proof of the extent of the patronage annexed to this office he would merely mention the circumstance that there were 1,500 post masters to be appointed. Ile admitted that improve ments had taken place in the department since the Duke of Richmond had been appointed to the situation of Postmaster-General. To that noble duke the coun try was indebted for those facilities of communicating with France which had been recently adopted. In addition to that it was through the agency of that no ble duke that means had been adopted for facilitating the extension of the knowledge of the literature of this country over the whole of Europe, and more particu larly that which was the most important part of litera ture, sound political knowledge. He thought that the country was indebted to the noble duke for the manner in which he had transacted the affairs of the department over which he presided. ( Hear.) The hon. member concluded with proposing his motion. Mr. H LTME seconded the motion. His hon. friend had forgotten to state a very important reason why the Postmaster-General should not be a political man, but which had been mentioned by the commis sioners. In consequence of the Postmaster-General being a political agent he was changed with every ad ministration, and the result was that the management of the department was left in the hands of the secre tary. This had been the case for the last thirty-five years. He did not wish to say anything harsh of the individual who held the office of secretary, and he (Mr. Hume) admitted that during the time that Sir F. Freeling had held that office he had assiduously attended to and faithfully discharged his public duties. ( Hear.) It was impossible, however, for any one to doubt, who had read the reports on the table, that there was no department of Government in which less im provements Ind been made during the last 15 years than in the Post-office. He did not allude to the last three or four years, in which time there certainly had been made many desirable changes. If. however, the Post office had been under the management of Com missioners instead of a Postmaster-General, he had no doubt a very different state of things would have existed there from what obtained at present. Had proper attention been paid the present inequality of postage, which caused so many complaints would not have existed. Why not manage the Post-office as the Excise, Cus toms, and Stamps, namely, have Commissioners, who should be directed to communicate with one of the Lords of the Treasury in cases of emergency ? He perhaps carried his notio ns on the sub j ect farther than not most be persons, made a source e t e h thought g h r e t , t o h n a u t the e n P a o st - o ffi ce should well-regulated country, but merely the means of imparting informa tion. In the United States a letter could be sent 2,000 miles for nearly the same sum that was charged for a letter from St. Alban's. In a country like England, with its excellent roads and other facili ties of communication, the charge for postage should be comparatively little. At the present moment his Majesty's Government had the opportunity of making this desirable change which the interests of the coun try called for. He did not so much regard whether three individuals, or one individual only, was appointed, as that care was taken that ample time was devoted to the business of the office, and that no per son having control in the department should be mixed up in politics. He was sure if the change which he had suggested was adopted, that the revenue would be increased ; the inequality in the charge for postage would be removed ; and, above all, that a great reduc tion would be made in the charge for postage. In conclusion, he recommended that the laws relative to the Post-office should be consolidated, as they were almost unintelligible at present. Mr. V. SMITH admitted that one strong reason had been urged for the present motion, and in which he was sure that the whole country would concur, viz., the extreme difficulty that there would be in finding a person to discharge the duties of the office of Post master-General so efficiently as they had been per formed by the noble duke who recently filled that office. (Hear.) The candid and manly manner in which that noble duke treated all those who were called upon to transact business with him, had been a source of general gratification. During the short pe riod of his (Mr. Smith's) public life, he never recol lected a person with whom he had been called upon to transact business who exhibited more anxiety to per form the duties of his office to the satisfaction of the country, or who had better succeeded in attaining that object. (Hear.) He (Mr. Smith) did not think, however, that the hon. gentleman could imagine that the house could agree to the present motion. The hon. gentleman had stated that if reference was made to the reports of these commissioners of revenue inquiry, it would be found that they all con curred in the views he entertained on the subject. He (Mr. Smith) denied that the hon. gentleman was warranted in drawing such an inference. He would, however, proceed to examine the advantages which both the hon. members said would be derived from a change. In the first place, it had been contended that the Postmaster-General should not be a political officer. The hon. member, however, had complained on a former occasion that the Post-office was not directly represented in Parliament. If this were to be done it was absolutely necessary that the head of it should be in Parliament. With reference, however, to the appointment of commissioners, it was unne cessary for him to take up much time. All men who had been engaged in business must know that autho rity in certain cases must emanate from an individual ; and, if a board of commissioners were appointed, either the chief commissioner or the secretary must in certain cases have a controlling voice. This was the case in the excise, customs, and stamps, in all which boards the chairman decided on important occasions. This was also the case at the Board of Treasury, at which the Chancellor of the Exchequer, or, in his absence, the Secretary of the Treasury, had the greater influence. It was not only de sirable but absolutely necessary that such a controlling power should exist. Again, the question of economy could be much better gone into when the document for which the hon. member had moved was laid on the table, as it would tend greatly to elucidate the sub ject. The hon. gentleman said that the adcption of the change he proposed would lead to a saving of be tween 200,000/. and 300,0001. How this was to be effected he (Mr. V. Smith) was extremely anxious to learn, and he was sure that his noble friend (Lord Al thorp) would feel very glad to lay his hands on such a sum. The hon. gentleman seemed to assume that it was much better to intrust a Board with patronage than an individual. This he (Mr. V. Smith) denied ; and he was sure the house would concur with him in thinking that it was much better that any patronage that existed should be placed under the control of one individual, responsible to Parliament, than under three or four persons, who might easily shuffle the responsi bility of their official patronage from one to the other. [At this stage of the debate Mr. C. Wood brought up a paper (The Sun newspaper express) to Lord Althorp announcing the return of Mr. Spring Rice for Cambridge, which, on being circulated, elicited loud cheers from the ministerial sides of the house.] The hon. member proceeded to say that he was anxious that the discussion as to the advantages of a Board of Commissioners should be postponed to a future occa sion, when they would have the advantage of the at tendance of his right hon. friend the Secretary for the Colonies, who he (Mr. Smith) was happy to state had just been elected to a seat in that house. (Hear.) The hon. member for Greenock appeared to entertain very peculiar notions on the subject of patronage : indeed he (Mr. Smith) believed that the hon. mem ber formerly thought that the members of Parliament should have the patronage of all places in the borough they represented. The hon. gentleman contended that the head of the Post-office should be a political officer, inasmuch as the duties to be performed by him were, for the most part, of a political nature. The admission, for instance, of foreign newspapers into every part of the country was a political act, and therefore he hoped the house would not consent to place that department under the management of a Board, instead of leaving it, as at present, in the hands of a political officer. It was utterly impossible that any board could regulate the patronage or admi nister the affairs of the Post-office as efficiently as a single individual, and upon that ground alone he had a right to call upon the house to reject this motion. Mr. WALL ACE in reply, had not when he brought his motion forward the least expectation that it would be successful, and therefore it was not his intention to put the house to the trouble of a division upon it. The reforms which he desired to see effected in this esta blishment must ultimately be carried, and, although he failed now in the object which he had in view, heshould not therefore desist from doing all in his whatever for having the manage u ent cer, and it was his ac complish it. He thought that thereNy placed in the hands of a political it tment would rs of that epar opinion that the affai headof it resided on the spot, best administered if the De:or:floe s er t c - e o s ffi s c t ev and had no other duties to attend to. He agreeA, however, with the hon. gentleman who had just sat down as to the necessity of having one responsible person at the head of every public board or department, and if the office of Postmaster-General could only bo filled by a Peer of the realm, then he was bound to say that lie should be very glad indeed, to see the noble duke who had retired from that office restored to it. Lord AL TH ORP said that no one could possibly be more constant or unremitting in his attention to the duties of his office than his noble friend the Duke of Richmond had been, and if his successor should be fortunate enough to discharge the duties of the office with equal efficiency all he (Lord Althorp) need say was, that not only the hon. member (Mr. Wallace) but every other member of that house must be perfectly satisfied with him. ( Hear, hear.) Of course a great deal of patronage attached to the office of Postmaster- General, but in the distribution of that patronage his noble friend had never once lost sight of the principles of justice and economy. His noble friend was the person who had effected such a considerable saving in th e retired allowances of Post-office clerks. By ap t pointing these clerks to be postmasters in country towns as vacancies occurred, he not only did the indi viduals themselves a great service, but saved the public the burden of their pensions. (Hear, hear.) It was not the fault of his noble friend that arrangements were not made for the free transmission of pamphlets and newspapers through the medium of the Post-office. Such an arrangement had long been under his noble friend's consideration, and the reason why it was not carried into effect was because the expense it would oc casion would be much greater than any advantages which could result from it. Mr. R. WALLACE then withdrew his motion. TRIGONOMETRICAL SURVEY OF IRELAND. Mr. LALOR moved— " That there be laid before this house a statement of the progress made in the trigonometrical survey of Ireland; stating the date when the survey was begun, the amount already expended for the survey, and an estimate of the time and expense that will be required to complete the survey, supposing the establishment now employed to be continued. Also a return of the establishment maintained in the year 1833, stating the number of each class, and the salary and allowances of each class, and of the whole ex pense of the year, including the contingent charges ; and also for a return of the sums advanced from the Exchequer for the valuation of lands and tenements in the several b tTh a te r E o : n mo i e No s u,:iptaasrnitdshhaetms have been wboetAehnßeßr repaid.udßsiNo , n t s hthe o ef amount c o r u e t n r t i e n s due,s in ne r re and the under 7 Geoi ge IV., and 1 and 2 William IV., and r. the times fixed for the repayment of the balance." After some observations from Mr. HOME, Mr. LlT ordered. SPANISH CLAIMS. Lord EBRINGTON, who was absent when his name was called on by the Speaker, now rose to bring forward the motion of which he had given notice amidst cries of " Oh, oh." The noble lord then ad verted to the property of British subjects which was sequestered by the Government of Spain at the com mencement of the war in 1805, and moved, " That a select committee be appointed to examine into the cairns of certain British subjects to be indemnified for the confiscation of their property by the Spanish Go tvin of eornme war iin be l t B w o e 4 en GandrelaBt Britainpre viousos,and tsopaiitln. ed„eclara- Mr. BAINE S seconded the motion. The question having been put, Lord ALTHORP must protest against the course which his noble friend had adopted. If they were to entertain this case they would, by and by, be called upon to give satisfaction for every capture that had been made before war had been formally declared. The principle was one which they could not possibly adopt. It was on this ground that he objected to his noble friend's motion. Dr. LU S HINGTON felt the utmost difficulty in bringing his mind to any conclusion on the case which his noble friend (Lord Ebrington) had brought under the consideration of the house. It was c ontrar y to the law of nations to confiscate property not afloat at the commencement of a war, and he had yet to be con vinced that the capture of the Spanish frigates, which had led to the sequestration of the property Of these claimants, was other than a violation of the law of i r as. Hume, the sei zure a division vi was sion madeok nations—an act of atrocious, cold-blooded cr uelt y , perpetrated during a time of peace. Mr. V. tor . SMITH Richards, lTs a id and that on the high seas, and not in the ports of Spain, he would oppose the motion. After a few words from Mr. Robinson, Lord Al thorp,place— For the motion 28 Against it 62 Majority —34 CIVIL BILL COURT (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. LITTLETON moved the second reading of the Civil Bill Court (Ireland) Bill. He said he was extremely desirous to consult the wishes of the Irish Members, and would ab andon an y p arts of the bill which were gnerally deemed objectionable by them. After some conversation, the bill was read a second time and committed for Friday the 20th. Mr. HUME wished to ask the noble lord (Althorp) if he would object to his bringing forward at an early period a proposition for building a new House of Com mons ? Lord ALTHORP gave no answer. The report on the County Coroners Bill was brought up and agreed to. The bil l was ordered to be en grossed and read a third time on Monday next. Mr. HUNIE gave notice that he would move to reduce the mileage to Is. per mile. The house went into committee on the GlasgoW Lotteries Bill. house re- The bill having been gone throug h, the sum p ed, and the reort was brought up. (Ire- On the question that the Warrants o f Distres s land) Bill be read a third time, sure as Mr. O'REILLY protested against the mead , injurious to the poor, and moved a s an amen day m 6 ent_ That the bill be read a third time this ix months." Mr. LAL OR supported the amendment. The house divided— .............................. 32 Ayes N0e5.............................. 6 26 3lajority -----' a• The bill was then read a third time and passe IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT . ur .. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thenrose, leave su ance of the notice he had given, to mov e for e_. to bring in a bill to abolish imprisonment for debt. t , • or cept in cases of fraud, and to amend the law of de D and creditor ; as, however, he did not anticipate anog_ serious objection in that preliminary stage of the pro ceeding, ~ he should not find it necessary to °eel!, ' much time in explaining the outlines of theseeas_,d which, with the permission of the house, shout_ have the honour of introducing. He was anxioutasioi; the first place, to justify himself from the imp 1 u There of any delay in bringing the subject forward. ' • isonment was nothing nearer his heart than tuat impr of fraud for debt should be abolished, except inhcaas in a bill m given notice of a motion for leave bt h he ceased to be a object ; 11 • order to accomplish that he very e vening for which and on the first day of the session tohe member of that house on day, however, on t very his notice stood. Thoethat house he renewed the which he was restored rose to make the motion as ex notice, and he now.bye. (Hear, hear, hear.) He peditiously as possihel be merits of the question would not go into t i rio d g e a s ceordi n gly d be the power of arresting fo r whether there that eras a subject which had been verY debt or not discussed, at length on one side or on the other arguments stated in the fourth report of the cotillion yrnissioners ; but there was one authorityarid . ,_ :betinihsed, and those who wished to see the D. not been generally adverted to---1 e was disposed to place great reliance, eant l e wa o hw p i i c o th : om s li l I he .°" in t:vh . which clidi ifi' a uthority andd as in poli general philosophical jurisprudence as ' tics, and which lie would shortly refer tionven t°roduced into occasion. In 1780 a bill had been . : ionent for debt that house for the abolition of imPr' s s ° , p port of Mr. on mesne process ; it received th l e he Was reproached Burke, and when he went to Bristo . e to read to the for having done so. He begged whichleav that great man house an extract from the reply t the fate of many made upon that occasion. was I h was s e to o r of the country, hustings speeches to live in s t aboutei toyquote would be but that from which he-apleasure and profit as long read and referred to with. emained. Mr. Burke said' as the English lang,age bill l was a law of justice and pad ~ Lor d Beauchamp sits 't went; I say as went, far it for its fault WO as far as ie• in the remedial part, miserably defectif. being, faults in • latl °/1 There are two capital . A to civil debts. One is, that every man is presuri3.l; solvent —a presumption, in innumerable cases, direefis a gainst truth. Therefore the debtor is ordered, li, supposition of ability and fraud, to be c oerced is liberty until lie makes payment. By this mean f ; o o the present all cases of civil insolvency, without a pardon and his creditor, lie is to be imprisoned for life , i o, l l thus a miserable mistaken invention of art