The Sun. — London, England, 1834-02-05 00:00:00

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All the s tickets were p eeted ' u nirly very soon disposed of, and many who had ex aceteents' o ti t : th g e a m in spives admission by 0,14' into the int e rior were obliged to some forming ranks in Parliament others i n gett i ng i nto the houses t h ere , f rom 0;ivo all evi nce d the greatest anxiety to see the pro thepil•ei it passed a l one . At an early hour tokttnted Chamber, and inside of the House of Lordsovere in e P e eeesaion o f b y l ad i es, in vast nuin b ers,w hi c h rap idl y o p Zed as the time of his Majesty's making his appearance IWims ;l eci) Until all corners were li tera ll y cramme d. Th e doo e ung and old, a ll v i e d w i t h eac h ot h er i n the splen p44:l their dresaes, and in the profusion of their elegant eon" • The p reva ili ng co l ours o f t h e d resses were Prinei p la aii bl ue, light pink, and primrose, and the feathers th e -- Y white! The Ambassadors' box was occupied ,ass n m embers of the diplomatic body, amongst whom to p eed Princ e T a ll eyran d , w h o entere d at a quar t er p as t trte:h nd w ho walk e d an d l oo k e d remar k a bly we ll, Prince Baron Bulow, M. De Bacourt, Chief Secretary Wh e r t h i ° o to th e F rench Em b assy, an d numerous ot h ers . 'frost r thice T a ll eyran d wa lk e d across the House, in to Gf the Throne, much curiosity was manifested Peste the veteran statesman by the lathes, the Pae Ne n Uarber of whom rose from their seats fur the L Earl Grey was in the House early, appeared in rat o k - b health and spirits, and received the warm con 411Ch'Ile of many Peers. At about half-past one the P r eekL" an "lior entered at the lower door, attended and 4 1ao7 of,i bY his su i te ; h e lik ew i se l oo k e d ex t r emely well. 1 414 416 "e other Members of his Majesty's Government to this House were present, and took their e fili s h; ts on th e front Ministerial Bench. The Bench IP ersisi— Pi I ves More fully occupied by the Prelates than ele t cleher havi ng seen for some years on the day of tat, a ta t Parliamentary Session. There were present towzehhishop of Canterbury and the Bishops of itrereford, Chi c h ester , R oc h es t er , Llandaff, &c. &c. b illi tutes past two his Majesty entered the House dlc gl 'la' salute of artillery from Cotton-garden. He . 44 1141: 1) , t o the throne with a firm step, dressed in the ,7tioe t ,_ -°llO Admiral. He delivered his speech with great 'fltlt -- "S„ although be was frequently interrupted lettod 'ity troublesome cough, with which he was greatly Ike Iteo,, Wh en he arrived at the part which related to '44.7 4 of the . Union, he expressed himself in the most Therre Planner Lordships then adjourned during pleasure. The Lo- (No. 2,919.) important topics adverted to by his Majesty in bis most gracious speech.—(Hear, hear, h:ear.) My Lords, the thing before us k wilo, the subject is ex tensive, and I have no hesitation in saying, much might be wade of it in able bands. My Lords, I shall merely endeavour to fo . lqw, in order, but very briefly, the principal topics of the speech from the throne, in ac cordance with which I shall have the honour of proposing an address to his Majesty from your Lordships. It is gratifying, my Lords, in the first place, for us to assure his Majesty, that our z‘tal, devotion, and firmness, in support of the constitution and the state, will justify the expectations of the country, and the confidence and the reliance of his Majesty in our loyalty and patriotism. My Lords, in turning to the history of the past year, it cannot but be considered that the measure for the abolition of slavery has been most honourable to this country, and must give the highest gratification to those who hive carried through a measure of so consola• tory a description with so much difficulty. My Lords, the speech of the late Governor-General of Jamaica, and I am happy that that Noble Lord has had an opport"nity of making that speech--( Hear)—bears ample testimony to the happy consequences of that great measure.—(Hear.) My Lords, among the subjects to which our attentive con. sideration is called, none to my mind is more important. or beset with more difficulty than the poor laws. The evils of their administration are too wriking not to be und.r. stood, snd are too notorious to require illustration. They have led to degradition and ruin, and their amendment must require the exercise of the soundest judgment, at the same time avoiding all hasty measures. From the hope expressed by his Majesty for the continuance of peace, no Noble Lord present I apprehend can dissent. It will be honourable to every one, and will he the means of advancing materially the progress of civilization. My Lords, the state of affairs abroad ha 4 been such as would, in many former periods, have occasioned a general war. We have, however, happily been preserved from such a calamity, and I trust we may still continue to be so. The friendly terms that exist between this country and France, and the mutual feeling of common interest that exists between u', are most important to both countries. The present system of the French Administration shows itself to be one of moderation, one whose utmost wish is to support national prosperity, and preserve order, and my only wish is that success may attend them. If ▪ t i ,„ CHANCELOR. took his seat on the Woolsack Th e at te t r Past 5 o'clock. te talle e L -113 ' 1 '2 , nce of the Peers was more scanty than we p e L on __ eelpttl At `nY previous occision like the present. The l• bo eer "inhere of the Ministerial party present were WM, it el 4 ," 'seconder, Earl Grey, the Duke of Rich _ of Lansdowne and Westminster, Lord fC I 4 e. ; and those of the Opposition were the Idroeunt,'sloucester, Cumberland, and Wellington, Lords 4l " 6, 11 „"leY, Roden, and Kenyon. GREY moved the first reading of the Select in other countries, my Lords, we see progressive improve ments, education endeavoured to be advanced, the arts studied, and peace encouraged, and that, too, among a warlike people, how much more must we rejoice to see such things as I have adverted to, amongst so enlightened a nation as France. My Lords, it is full time that the calamities and disputes which have existed in Poland between the nearest ties of blood should cease. If any question existed as to the right of succession in that kingdom, every man, I believe, will agree with me in say ing that there could never be any doubt as to the perfidy that was exercised in the attempt to maintain it. In this country, I believe, and in every other, but one feeling of indignation prevails on that subject. No one, my Lords, I believe, can doubt that the speedy succession of the Spanish Monarch and constitution was most desirable. The disputes between Holland and Belgium no one can hesitate to say should, be settled.—(Hear, hear.) We most cordially, my Lords, I believe, agree in considering that with respect to other parts of Europe, the assistance of this country in the regulation of their affairs, when properly afforded, may give a reasonable hope for the amendment and improvement of the general tranquillity ot• the country. At home, my Lords, it is most satisfactory to state that the general aspect of the country may be considered most prosperous.—(Hear.) The Noble Duke alluded to the state of Ireland, where the evil spirit was operating unhappily to counteract all the benefits which that country was indisputably gaining in many points, agricultural as welt as others. His Majesty could not have evinced his love for that portion of his subjects, and for the peace and prosperity of his entire kingdom, more than by the resolution he has come to of maintaining the union of the two countries—( Hear, bear) —indissolubly as the only security for their peace, and the only preventive to separation—(Hear, bear)—a resolu tion he (the Noble Duke) felt sure, the whole country at large wou'd cooperate in, and zealously, too, so that no means should be left untried to secure such a desirable end.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Duke did not feel that he could advert more fully to the speech from the throne. The Noble Duke concluded by moving an address, which was, as usual, an echo of the King's speech. Lord HOWARD of EFFINGHAM seconded the mo tion, and expressed his full concurrence with the Noble Duke who had just sat down. He considered the view of tbe separate topics in his Majesty's speech as a sound one ; and he (Lord Howard) should therefore concur in all that had fallen from the Noble Duke. He should more particu larly allude to the disadvantages which would accrue to the entire kingdom from a repeal of the Legislative Union. In fact, it would lead to the total dismemberment of the em pire ; and if any attempt should be made to forward such a measure, he trusted that there would be ample support found to counteract and defeat—(Hear) —ouch an attempt. He hoped that in the consideration of such measures as would be brought br , fore their Lordships, the alteration in the state of the country, from the recent diffusion of know ledge, would be duly weighed, and those measures be made conformable to that alteration.—(Hear.) The Noble Lord concluded by seconding the address. The Duke of WELLINGTON, after hearing Iris Ma jesty's speech read, as well us those delivered by the Noble Lords opposite, could not let the opportunity pass without making a few observations. The speech from the throne contained as little as any speech that was ever addressed from the throne to that House. It was impossible, from that speech, to judge whether the Government, as a Government, was going to bring for ward any measure that it embraced. From the speeches of the Noble Duke and the Noble Lord opposite, be could collect that some measures were to be brought forward by Government ; but they could only have learned that from their connection with Government, and not from anything that was contained in the speech.—(Hear.) The fist topic contained in the speech, and also brought under• their Lordships' notice by the Noble Lords opposite, was the abolition of West India slavery. No man more rejoiced in tbe success which it was said that measure had met with than he did. He bad opposed it from the first to the last while it was before the House; but could it be made positive to him that it had met with all the success that the speech and the Noble Lords said it had, he would be most happy at once to say, he had been lids. informed—that he had been deceived on the subject. However, he was most afraid, that the misinformation would yet be found on the other side. True, the Legis lature of Jamaica (end he granted that it was of great importance) bad passed a law adopting the Bill of the last year•. But then, it must be recollected, that that was all that had been done. No new laws had been enacted by which to carry its provisions into effect. Nothing bad been done; no provisions had been made for the' new state of society which it was sure to create. While that remained to be completed, he could not see that the measure deserved to be called so successful as it had been called by the Noble Lords. He could not see the state of affairs had been yet in any manner altered, nor was it a state of affairs upon which he could congratulate his Majesty. The next point in the speech was, that of peace, and he assured the House that no man was more sensible of its advantages —no man was more anxious for its continuance than himself, nor did any man better know the absolute necessity this country had for its blessings. It was the duty of this country not only to maintain peace itself, but to do all in its power—and it was great—to maintain it in rather countries. That, Govern ment had not done.—(Hear, and cheers, from the Oppo sition.) He had before explained his views on the ques tion of the relation in which Holland and Belgium stood to each other, and they now stood in precisely the same state as they had done for the last two and a half years, and he very much feared that they would do so for two years more. It was impossible for Holland, as an independent kingdom, to settle the question while it stood as at present.—(Hear, hear.) Then with respect to Spain and Portugal, he bad frequently taken occasion to state his views on the war in the latter country, and he repeated that it was kept up merely by means of this country. In order to prove his position, he wou!d call their Lordships' attention 'lto the address of last session. Their Lordships prayed that his Majesty would take such steps as would effectually preserve the neutrality his Government professed. His Majesty did nut exactly approve of that address, and halt given an answer which it did not become him, nor would he say one word about it. That address was voted at a pe riod when the people that be complained of bad gained a t A DDRESS TO HIS MAJESTY. k 114,, caLL°emy. speech was then read by the LORD k, and afterwrrds by one of the Clerks of the follow • : /, 'lll LORD S AND GENTLEMEN, d in th d YOu again together for the discharge of your os -nile t Ut l:, I rely with entire confidence on Your zeal and esusr. sincere devotion to the public interests, and ti the j ui n• n . s . upporting, on its ancient foundations, and "Of gmtribution of its powers, the established Constitu. e State. ;Set), qualities eminently distinguished your labours e e l an Session in which more numerous and mor mitaentl• tlestions were brought under consideration of Par. " Of t t h h .. an during any former period of similar duration. reeei vd the "Ueasures which have, in consequence, hat m i" the „... Legislature, one of the most difficult and im. whiff Lrie Bill for the Abolition of Slavery. The manner bt 13 "'at beneficent measure has been received throughout I n --A colonies and the progress already made in carrying 4.114111 - t° Jh el n ecUtio n by ' the Legislature of the island of Jamaica, Vounds for anticipating the happiest results. . - "Y other The h e --ghat Consider ion Portant subjects will still call for your most at. '"e Con t i Which I will order to be laid before you from Pal a PPointed to inquire into the state of the m kor laws, e4 " ll3 , into th e a d m i n i strat i on an d e ffe c t o f t hue England Laacrvl/4,nit° ec clesiastical revenues and patronage in kk raation b cal Mot fail to afford you much useful in. tdexten'toY which you will be enabled to judge of the nature b er the necessary :last ing defects and abuses, and in whatman "t k_ neficially ecti ous may, i n d ue season , b e safely and 4 It has been the constant aim of my policy to secure to my Ibbe the uninterrupted enjoyment t his I have been much assisted*hie,of the blessings of peace. has been so happily establish by between o d m y understanding Government arid h ie that of France; and the assurances which I receive of the b 1.4,111, disposition of the other Powers of the Continent give 'seollfidence in the continued success of my endeavours. 4 0 ;1 have, h owever, to regret that a final settlement between t i yil and and Belgium has not yet been effected, and that the lv,„,War in Po r t ugal still continues. You may be assured that whiellhe careful an d anxious to avail myself of any opportunity of at, ma y afford me th e means of assisting the establishment dre L e 0f security and p eace i n countr i es t h e interests of which hi tirilately connected with those of my Spain, I n did not heSi dln. tate t i o l Pon the death of the late King h of f nf S a P n al t daughter ; and I bhi: at eh with the greatest solicitude the progress of events *lsi t ll a3 , affect a Government, the peaceable settlement of eth .f the first importance to this country, as well as to ~"",m 2 oeral tranquillity of Europe. With We Peace of T ur k ey, since t h e se ttl emen t th a t was m a de 441riet Ali, has not been interrupted ; and will not, b l k e . t oe threatened with any new danger. It will be my o - ott:r"ent any change in the relations of that empire . with owers Which might affect its future stability and inde 1114ence, ,i G .. 4t CsITLEMEN OF TIIE HOUSE OF COMMONS, laid before directed the estimates for the ensuing year to be , trl et e you. They have been framed with the view to . the . est economy, and to such reductions as may not be lIIJU -RISs to the public service. ' I O a raconflflent I 444 nH. the cheerful may rely on your enlightened patriotism, l ~Ie means 'Which ac quiescence of my people for suppl y ing may be required to uphold the honour of my livn and the interest of my dominions. tilelrThe amounts which will be laid before you of the state of l'a nst evenue ' az Compared with the expenditure, will be found - ktisfactory, , I -‘, I ,Mir Loans aND GENTLEMEN, p tn ,2. nave to lament the continuance of distress amongst the -v netor arill e _ and occupiers of land ; though in other respects th 44 4 7 the c°u ntrY, bOth as regards its internal tranq e u n i e l o li n ty . rat e entnraerce and manufactures, affords the most " tr' s Pect of progressive improvement. vitti eaitts Passed in the last session for carrying into effect ° , 1 4 11" „ -- "arY and remedial measures in Ireland are now in irok t t t ) ", and further improvements may be expected to . result 4 14 et,„e eerninissions which have been issued for other impo - ~ 'lacts of inquiry. atilitturitez°lnrnend to you the early consideration of such a final as hay t: ltt of the tithes in that part of the United Kingdom to th e ti hinfluish all just of comaint, lagitiltitz,, n a l td Property causes of any clas of my subjects, without or injury to any "''ll the PUblic C hurch or State. s ' t :e tr anquillity has been generally preserved, and Whole, t e °f all the Provinces of Ireland presents, upon . '14,414 :hebllasUch more favourable appearance than at any period ~ ' gut I , t Year. lo tatio: ..,ave seen with feelings of deep regret and just in_ of utat eo " trie continuance of attempts to excite the people This nd u t f intr Y to demand a repeal of the Legislative Union. de. elat ed °lir national strength and safety I have alreadynl . ng °tbivilf,,,Y,,fixed and unalterable resolution, under the esi in 'nY pus,;` 'rovidence to maintain inviolate by all the means doubt ti er, in ray zealous and Support of tis determination P l a PeoPle. effectual co-operationcrramment and t 'To th -jou to e Practices which have been used to produce disaffec. the Petiole St ate, and mutual distrust and animositbetwee tn n e th e r! Of the two c nt ies is chiefly to be attributed tin a beat de °- ... 4antbord ination ou wh r ich, though for the presen t too eA hie in ee controlled t, p many istances. by the power of the law, has been but tAti cm o , h a nne More than to the deluded instruments of the agia "Pirit „`"t4 Perniciously excited is the continuance of such nniteWe'ductive of the most ruinous consequences ; and the c an end Z d a ° !„ t l itl e d G v o i r etn u m s e e n x t e , rrions of the loyal and well.aff ed are imperiously required to pu t nzes, j ir a l of excitement and violence which, while it con fo ti l: ' , Mit i destrUctive of the peace of society, and, if success b tkitettlittez,itablY prove fatal to the power and safety of t e ''nildom,,, Th e b , L °rds, LuKecd SUTHERLAND then rose and said—My %ho w t'e indulgence which your Lordships never fail to I. oho W 144 on 1,0 occasion more required thin the present. t ° ur g e(ld) my Lords, be at all times most unwilling .hi, my opinions on the attention of your Lord very li l t , ititleed I o nus frankly confess that I attach they Witio importance .• to them, and feel confident that inn, zn ou ld be totally uninteresting to your Lordships wh icti Y Lords, there are occa-iona and circumstances in , 14 due 11 . 11 OU Id consider that I was not properly discharging tii t , nte I did not declaie to your Lordships the sen ds,la. that I entertain upon them. That occasion, my now. 4 the prevent, and therefore it is that I do not hesitate 14 1 , 411 '7 come forward to claim the indulgenie of your i lli w hile I state my opinions upon some of tbt, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 5, 183 very brilliant victory ; and within one week after the answer to the address was received, the author, as lie might call him, of that victory, who was an Englishman, was punished to the utmost extent the Government had it in their power to go. It was almost ridiculous for him to say, for it was well - known, that without the means 'his country afforded, the war in Portugal could never have been carried on. The King of Spain, who was much interested in the contest, was told," You must not interfere ; you must be neutral, or we will support Dan Pedro." But were we not doing so now? could any reasonable man say no, when it was so well known that every ship which sailed from the Douro was filled with Englishmen, and while, in the ranks of the invading army, every second man belonged to this country. It was our duty to have prevented that contest at the very commencement. We ought to have recognized the Government, which was the Government recognized by the countly— which was the Government de facto. We ought to have done so at the moment, because he was the Sovereign of that country who had been called upon by us to perform treaties between that country and this. The King of Spain having altered the succession to his throne, Don Carlos, feeling himself aggrieved, was distrusted, and ordered into Italy. In place of that, he fled into Portugal, but bad Don Miguel been treated by this country as he ought to have been, he might have been required to refuse him an asylum, and no doubt would have gladly complied. Therefore it was, he said, that the civil war in Spain lead' grown out of the civil war in Portugal. When his Majesty before lamented, us he did in his present speech, the continuance of the contest in Portugal, he (the Duke of Wellington) had recommended them to issue a proclamation, requiring all subjects in the service of a foreign power to return. Had that advice been fol h}wed by Government, they would, no doubt, have pre vented such a state of things as required his Majesty to repeat the lament which was contained in his former speech.—(Hear, hear.) Then, as regarded Turkey, he assured their Lordships that on that subject he did not intend to speak by guess, but from experience. On a former occasion, Mehemet Ali (Pacha of Egypt) had been told by this country that he could not he allowed to carry on a certain war, and that war was stopped. Had this country, in the wars of 1832 and 1833, taken the same course, and said you must not carry on the war in Syria, you must not attack the Porte, there could be no doubt that the acme results would have followed, and there need not be that apprehension which now existed as to the conduct and views of the Emperor of Russia with respect to unfortunate Turkey. There could have been no doubt that such advice would have been followed, especially if it had been supported by a fleet in the Levant, and Turkey would have been saved without the intervention or protection of Russia—but instead of that, our fleets were in the Tagus seeking redress for imaginary wiongs, or in the channel blockading our old ally, the Dutch.—(Cheers from the Opposition.) In what state were our old allies at present ? There were Holland, Portugal, Spain, and, if he might be allowed to say, Turkey, in almost a state of hostility to us, and indeed were 'educed to so low a state as to be almost out of the pale of Europe.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Another question that was broached was the poor laws, and he really trusted that something would now be done for their improvement. They bad already been three years in agitation, and he hoped the promise of the Noble Lord opposite would be fulfilled ; for he again, on that bead, had to complain of the obscurity of the speech. Then, in order, catoe the question of reform in the Municipal Corporations. • During the recess he had seen many learned opinions as to the illegality of the Com missions under which the evidence had been taken. He did not, of course, mean to give any opinion of his own upon that point ; but be would say that, in his opi mon, it would be very improper to proceed upon re ports of the Commissioners while there remained the slightest doubt of the legality of their appointment. Upon that subject he must be permitted to make one more observation, which was, that it would never answer to found a system of municipal constitutions, the same as the Reform Bill had proceeded on, namely, the 10/. franchise. He was convinced that even Government would not now say that they had so much confi dence in that la franchise as to say, that they would found a municipal constitution upon it. The next ques tion, and certainly not of the least importance, was that of tithes. It was one of greater importance than any other that could come under their Lordships' observation during the ensuing session, and it Mould require the unre mitting attention of both Houses. He had read many speeches made by Members of the Government as well as by their most intimate friends, during the recois, and they deserved the attention, and most ri 4 id surveillance of the House. What bad teen done in a former session as regarded the Irish Church rendered it their Lordship' bounden duty to look very narrowly at, and most particularly watch, the measures which the Government introduced with respect to that question. One thing that made it more necessary still, was, the fate of two Bills regarding the church, which a Most Rev. Prelate had introduced and got passed throagh that House. Yet notwithstanding the omnipotent power of the Ministry in the other House, they had been unable to carry them to a successful conclusion. There was another subject with regard to which the in tentions of his Majesty's Government had not been at all stated in the speech from the throne—be alluded to the Irish Coercion Bill.—(Hear.) There could be no doubt whatever that the greatest benefit bad been derived by Ireland from that necessary and most salutary measure.— (" Hear, hear," from both sides of the House.) He would not say that the execution of it, for be believed that it had been scarcely carried into execution in a single instance, but that the existence of it had effected the greatest benefit for that country; and he therefore thought that when his Majesty's Government came down to Par liament, and stated as they did in a paragraph of the speech from the throne, that " the public tranquillity bad been generally preserved, and that the state of all the provinces of Ireland presented, upon the whole, a much more favourable appearance limn at any period during the last year," they should have at the same time informed their Lordships whether it was their intention to propose the renewal of that Bill, to which such desirable con sequences were mainly attributable which Bill, as their Lordships were aware, would, if not renewed, expire at the end of the present session of Parliament. At present their Lordships knew nothing of the inten tions of his Majesty's Government on that point ; they only knew that Ministers complained of the agitation which had been practised in Leland on the subject of the Union. Now, he would repeat that Ministers should have told them whether it was their intention to propose the renewal of that measure, to which was owing the restoration of something like peace and tran quillity in that part of the United Kingdom. He wished now to address to their Lordships a few observations with respect to the question of Irish tithes. Now, with regard to any measure 'which it might be the intention of his Majesty's Government to bring forward on that subject, he begged in the first instance to say this—that, as far as he could learn, the clergy of the Church of Ireland were at present precisely in the same miserable situation in which they bad been for the last seventeen or eighteen months. If that therefore was the case, notwithstand ing the measures which had been brought forward and passed on a former occasion in reference to the clergy of Ireland, he must say that, it that race of men was to be preserved at all, their Lordships should lose no time in passing whatever measures were required to complete the arrangement with respect to the Church of Ireland.—(Hear, bear, bear.) He believed, as he had already stated, that the clergy of the Church of Ireland were at present in the most miserable and destitute condition. If, as be learned upon the best authority, they were reduced to the lowest ebb of dis tress, so much so that many of them had been obliged to drop insurances which they had formerly ef fected on their lives for the benefit of their families—that of advantageous arrangements which, in several instances, they had in former years adopted with regard to their property, they had sow lost every thing—that in conse quence of such distress, so many of them had been under the necessity of taking the boon which was held out to them under the mast unfavourable circumstances by the Government Bill of last Session,—if, he repeated, such was the case, and he believed there was no doubt that it was so, their Lordships, he was sure, would agree with him in thinking that no time should be lost in bringing forward whatever measures were required to complete the arrangement with respect to the Church of Ireland, and to rescue that most deserving race of men, the clergy of that Church, from such an unparalleled state of suffering and distress.—(Hear.) He had telt it his duty on this occasion to offer these observations to their Lordships, though, as he had already stated, it was not his intention to dye any opposition to the address which had just been proposed for Oteir Lordships' adoption. Earl GREY then rose. He had been in hopes that the present evening would have passed away without i. being considered necessary to have resorted to the opposi tion which the Noble Duke had thought proper to pursue. That Noble individual had thought it necessary to state that the speech was replete with nothing. That com • plaint, be believed, might be made of many of the King's speeches; and most probably to many of those of which the Noble Duke himself had been the adviser.—(Hear. hear.) It was a complaint arising in a great degree out of the thing itself, because the short space of time in which that article was drawn up, and the short space that it occupied, rendered it impossible to advert particu larly to the subjects under discussion. He (the Noble Earl) thought, that if their Lordships looked at the present speech with a less prejudiced eye than the Noble Duke, they would see many most important subjects introduced into it, and many intimations given of the course intended to be adopted by his Majesty's Government. The Noble Duke, in the next place, bad complained that no measure had been distinctly stated. Upon that he would have to remark, when he came to the various topics to which the Noble Duke had alluded. But previously, be would wish to take notice of some of the different matters which the Noble Duke had thought proper to state. First, 'A•ith respect to the subject of West Indian slavery, and afterwards with regard to foreign policy. The Noble Duke had stated that he should rejoice as much as any mau if it should be found that the apprehensions which be en.ettained of the measure for the relief of slavery, and its pernicious effects, were totally without any sufficient grounds. But he stated that he did not see such pro gress made, such conclusions come to, and such definitive urangments effected, as could enable Government to pronounce that measure successful. With respect to that, he ',egged only to say, that it was not so stated in the King's speech.—(Hear, bear.) He was well aware that great difficulties still existed, but a final settle ment was what he most anxiously wished, and looked for.—(Hear, hear.) What was stated in the King's speech was,—nd this he thought a subject of great congratulation with the country, and could not be contradict , cl,--that that measure had been generally received throughout the colonies in a manner that must give great satisfaction. It had been received there in a manner directly contrary to that alluded to by the Noble Dube and others who opposed the measure.—(Hear, hear.) The Governor-General of Jamaica had con gratulated the Assembly on the passing of the mea sure, which he had stated would have the effect of producing the most beneficial results, and that assembly had done what it had been stated it never would do,—it had passed a measure to carry emancipation into effect. —(11 ar, hear.) With respect to the other paint 'that had been alluded to by the Noble Duke, when their Lordships came to consider candidly and impartially the statements in the King's speech, he was sure they would never feel called upon to arraign his Majesty's Ministers after the manner of the Noble Duke on the unsatisfactory expressions in the speech, but would con gratulate them for having pursued and adopted measures calculated to produce tl.e best effects throughout the coun try. He trusted that that tneasur e which bad been begun would be so carried into effect as to produce the final ex tinction of slavery—the greatest curse, in his opinion, of the human race. More than this he did not feel called upon to say upon the present question. With reference to the other bead, to which the Noble Duke had adverted namely, the foreign policy of the country—be must be allowed to say, in reply to his severe censures, that he considered his Majesty's Ministers totally unworthy of them.—(Hear, hear.) With respect to Holland, the Noble Duke, the advocate of the King of that country, had declared that it was impossible that that Sovereign could submit to the injustice that had been offered him, and that while this country persevered in that course, it never could he expected that an adjustment could take place. Now he would remind the Noble Duke of the situation in which his Majesty's present Ministers found the subject when they came into office. A separa tion bad virtually taken place between that kingdom and Belgium, a re-establishment of confidence had not taken place, and the countries were in a state of decided hostility with each other. With respect to Holland and Belgium, he felt that the connection between them was dissolved for ever, and it was impossible thit those two nations could be re-united. The only object, therefore, was how their separation could be effected on principle, it would but conduce to the happiness and independence of both. But it was said we were imposing terms, and that we had not acted throughout this affair in concert with our spies. The Noble Duke, if he referred to the papers, would see, that at the time of the conference, it was stated by all the Ministers present, that all hopes of negotiation were at an end, in consequence of the delays and evasion of Holland.—(Hear, hear.) He had proofs to support him in saying, that in consequence of these delays, it was in vain to hope to effect a settlement by negotiation, and that some measure of coercion was requited.—(Lnud cheers.) These were the general principles of the treaty that was agreed on, reserving the particulars to a future time. Toe Noble Duke said that the troubles of Holland and Belgium were all owing to the conduct of his Majesty's Government, and that their conduct bad produced this state of things. The Noble Duke was a high authority, not only in this country, but in all Europe ; and the Noble Duke, whilst expressing these sentiments, must have known how little encouragement was wanting to induce the laity, upon whom the conclusion or procrastination of these affairs mainly depended—how little was wanting to in duce this party to put off the settlement to the ut most period.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Duke said that things remained in precisely the same situation as they were two years ago, but he could tell the Noble Duke that on the contrary things had materially changed.—( Hear.) Belgium was now in a state of security. It had nothing to fear from the King of the Netherlands. It was so favour ably situated that it had no reason whatever to press for a conclusion of the peace. A peace would not be concluded till a very different spirit was introduced into the councils of the Dutch. More he would not say on this subject at pre sent, but be should be ready, whenever the Noble Duke should please to discuss the conduct of Ministers, to defend their.policy.—(Hear, hear.) In the meantime, he would rest satisfied. Much had been done to effect the peace of Europe, and still longer to extend the period of peace; but till there was a greater disposition to accommodation and settlement, he felt that it was necessary that things should remain as they were. The next topic alluded to by the Noble Duke was the civil war in Portugal. He felt as sincerely as the Noble Duke,—and he gave the Noble Duke credit for sincerity—be felt that this civil war was a great and a grievous calamity. But the Noble Duke said that this calamity was owing to the fault of his Majesty's Ministers, and that they ought not to support a Government bounded on usurpation. The Noble Duke said, that as a means of putting an end to the civil war in Portugal, they ought to have acknow ledged Don Miguel as King of that country. How did it happen that for the three years of the Noble Duke's Ad ministration—(Cheers)—such an acknowledgment did not take place? Don Miguel was as much then as now de facto Sovereign, and be appears to have had theta, as much as subsequently, the general acquiescence of the Portuguese nation.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) How, then, did it happen, that during the administration of the Noble Duke be had never acknowledged Don Miguel?—(Cheers.) How did it happen that, even when the Noble Duke was going out of office, he said that there were certain things necessary tiefore he could acknowledge Don Miguel? This was never done—(Loud cheers) — Dan Miguel had not done what the Noble Duke himself said was necessary to be done before be could be acknowledged by this country. The promised amnesty had never been granted; on the contrary, his cruelty and op pression had increased daily;and upon every principle, there tore, they could not acknowledge Don Miguel. The Noble Duke referred to the attempt of Don Pedro, and this, said the Noble Duke, Government ought to resist.—(Hear, hear.) It was not possible, having seen the extraordinary manner in which Don Miguel had not only broken through all the ties of duty to his legitimate sovereign, and a'so to his brother,—it was not possible, he (Earl Grey) could not find it in his heart, to resist a father contending for the just and acknow ledged rights of his daughter.—(Cheers.) A war took place; there had been already many discussions upon it; he would not go over them again ; but be would tepeat here that be thought he had satisfacto rily answered the accusations made against nisters. He considered this a contest between a usurper and in acknowledged sovereign. But under the em "ll.4.le t tt he iT27:ht, w til t e h d c is a t u ress tion i ,' n fee/re tnuld prn -14-- ceed upon . • :11W ( V' ; the distress whichwas most 1 ff : 1 ' u:1e : 1 lturists. Therefor f e el m country, t ore pb t a h r t a i n e u a a tf r tr i y thing,th atpart . a < s e t . gricu be l e ) e meantieved his distress f 4 ; Government stood exculpated upon that subject,--(Hear, hear.) Then be came to the Municipal Corporations. Was it not felt by every body who knew anything of the state of those Corporations that some remedy was required ! With respect to that, they had tak n the warrp en,„.„ and bad proceeded to adopt the same means of inquiry, a t ! they had done with respect to the poor laws, in order to direct the steps that were necessary to be taken in ar riving at the correction of these abuses. The Noble Doke had doubted whether it would be prudent to act upon the report of an illegal commission. Assumii : 4 the commission was illegal, he (Lord Grey) confessed that he was no/e -t more surprised in his life than he was when ho found an opinion had gone forth, and that that opinion had received the sanction of a legal authority, far whom he certainly bad the highest respect, as to the I gality of that Commission, but he thought that until information had been obtained as to those abuses, it was - impossible for the House to take safe measures for the correction of them. The Noble Duke had said that it was impossible to make one invariable system throughout all the corporations. He did not say that it would be possible that there should be quite an invariable system, hut he would say, and he was certain that the report of the Commissioners would bear him out in the ti nth of that assertion, that abuses, to an extent which could hardly be believed, had keen discovered, that their correction retie absolutely necessary, and that that correction would depend upon the result of the inquiries who theycame to he laid before their Lordships. The last and the most important consideration dell was the situation of the church, and upon that he certainly deprrcat. d any rash alteration, and he thotight they should approach wish great caution any general charge affecting the established church. The Noble Duke said, and had complained, that many /lesions connected with the Government—many friends of the Government—had made speeches which !se had seen re ported in the newspapers which he thought highly terse° , rioue. Perhaps lie (the Noble Earl) did not read either so often or attentively the public papers as the Noble Duke, and therefore he did not know to what particular speeches or to what particular assertions the Noble Duke alluded ; all he had to say was this, that he beefed to his claim not to be bound by any thing that was slid upon such occasions, which might or might no: be truly represented, but whether truly represented or not, would form no rule for his conduct, which could on no account be regulated by any feelings but what his public duty required.—(Hear, hear, hear.) —lf the Noble Duke wished for his confession of faith upon that subject, he hod not the least hesitation in say ing at once that he was a friend to the Church Establishment, that be was a zealous supporter of the Church Establishment, and that he was not one who would encourage any one of those theories which tended to separate Church from State.—(Cheers.) He thought such theories highly extravagant and dange rous, and had not concealed his opinions upon them. He had had communications with Dissenters upon various subjects of complaint, to some of which he thought there would be found the means of affording speedy relief, but be had stated explicitly that, as far as real grievance went, he would be anxious, and he believed the enlightened heads of the church would be anxious, to afford any relief that could reasonably be required ; but if they went farther, and pressed doctrines. and opinions which led to the destruction of the Establishment itself, as a thing unchristian, as they called it, he at once took his stand— (Loud cheers)--against applications for relief founded on such principles as those, and if such ;attempts as those were made, they would find him not only a supporter of the Established Church, but one of their most determined opponents. (Loud cheers.) In stating those opinions, it was not to be understood that lie was opposed to any measure of church reform, because he felt IT the sake of the church itself, and he believed a great many of its stanch supporters thought it was necessary, that the state of the church should be looked into, and that the abuses which existed in it should be corrected. But he knew also that there was great difficulty en that subject. He had stated, with the most thorough conviction of the necessity of looking into them, his determination, if be remained a member of the Govern ment, to bring forward, when he could do so safely and conscientiously, any measure that might be necessary for that purpose; but with that determination, his wish was that it should be a measure founded upon truly conserva tive principles, not using that word in the sense in which he thought it had been much abused, a mea sure for the purpose of preserving and supporting the Established Church, and not for the purpose of committing depredations upon it.—(Loud cheering.) There was one topic upon which he should make some observations. The Noble Duke had alluded to the state of the sister kingdom, and asked whether it was the in• tention of Government to renew what he (the Noble Duke) called the Coercive, but what he (Earl Grey) termed the Protecting Bill. He asked whether it was the inten tion of Government to put down that spirit which is calculated to create excitement—(Hear)—anti, in the woves of the King's speech, to prove fatal to the power and safety of that kingdom. In the determination which his Majesty has formed, be trusted that he did not calculate in vain on such support as would enable him to restore a pacific order of things.—(Hear, hear.) The Protecting all expires on the Ist of August, and if the times shall require, it will be necessary to adopt such means as may be considered essen tial to the full restoration of tranquillity. It was with feelings of unhappiness, last year, that he found it imperative on him to propose such a measure to Par liament, and it would be with the same feelings of regret that it would be repeated this year : while it would be the happiest moment of his (the ' , Hole Earl's) life, if he could, consistently with his duty, propose to Parliament, that its renewal was unnecessary. Such circumstances did not exist now as to render such a proposition expedient. In a few months there might be such; he (Earl Grey) could not say; but his Majesty's Government could not be expected to make any definite promise. —(Hear, hear.) A state of irritation and excite ment existed now; and notwithstanding. by t`te blessings of Providence, agi iculture and trade were improving i n that country. It was to be lamented that such blessings were to be frustrated by the malignant spirit of a man—but as he Was not present, he (Earl Grey) would refrain from allusion to him—but it was hard that such a state of pro gressive improvement was to be retarded, and that country to be prevented from advancing to that happiness and prosperity which it was so well calculated to attain. He did not recollect any other topics which it was necessary to advert to; he had, he feared, exhausted their Lordship? patience—(No, no)—but in conclusion, he would assure their Lordships, that no measure which could tend to ameliorate the country at large should be ne glected. They (his Majesty's Ministers) would do what they could. Such intentions, suet, efforts, may justly entitle them to the confidence of the people, and when that was withdrawn, they would willingly retire from their present office.—(Loud cheers.) The Duke of WELLINGTON, in explanation, said, that he did not at all blame the Noble Earl for having mea sures to bring forward; what be complained of was, that those measures had not been adverted to in his Majesty's speech. On the motion of Earl GREY the usual sessional re solutions were agreed to. Earl GREY then said that be had one resolution to propose to their Lordships, on which he felt it would not be necessary for him to say much, confident as lie was that it would meet with the unanimous assent of the whole House. He should move that the Earl of Shafts • bury be elected as Chairman of all Committees of that House. His assiduous discharge of the duties of that laborious office were too well known to their Loriships to render it necessary for him to do more than repeat his confidence of the unanimous concurrence of their Lord ships in that proposition —(Hear, hear.) The motion was agreed to. Tue Earl of SHAFTESBURY rose to return thanks for the honour conferred upon him upon that, the twentieth occasion that their Lordships bad elected him to fill the office of Chairman of Committees. He could not suffi ciently taaeni their eLro e p nds r wb e i s hi s :schfo hisr he t h eh a e n b k am s d a t n o pn t re h or e p io N ns e o wd b lheti which b L e o t rhinde motion, ho c : d t , h u e n no k ar i a n ti d o. mously concurred in agreeing to it. Earl GREY then moved that the Earl of Shaftesbury should also be appointed Chairman of all Committees on Private Bills &c., unless otherwise arranged.—A g r ee I t o . Their Lordships then adjourned at a quarter to eight o'clock, until toenorrow (this day) at one. ( PRICE circumstances, he considered that the best course wbida this country could take was, not only to observe a real otutrality, but to call upon Slain to observe the same. But the Noble Duke had extended his accusation, and bad assumed that if we had acknowledged Don Miguel—the Noble Duke not showing how we could acknowledge him— if we had acknowledged him, the succession of the infant Queen of Spain would be secured. (Hear, hear.) But they had not the power of insisting on Don Miguel. He was an independent Prince, possessed of all the rights of Sovereignty ; and how could we, upon the strictest principles of the laws of nations, presume to :nterfere in the internal policy of Portugal ?—(Cheers)—and insist that Don Miguel should not give a refuge to Don Carlos, but compel him to quit the kingdom ? (Hear, hear.) They might, considering the situation of :his country, contend that we might legally interfere. But as to the certainty that Don Miguel would listen to ;he representations of this country, and show any reefird o them, be would not venture to assume. Ile felt as strong as the Noble Duke the importance of the settlement of the Penirsult ; he felt the importance of the general tranquillity of Europe as strongly as any man ; it was for the internal interests of this country, and he was as desirous as any man could be, of the restoration of hap. piness and peace to those countries, and of that Govern ment which would be most conducive to their prosperity. Wien he looked to the civil war of Spain, he could not contemplate the possibility of Don Miguel seated on the throne of Portugal, supported by the apostolical party— he could not contemplate the possibility of such a state of things without feeling certain they would not afford by any means a good prospect of the establishment of•the throne of tie inrant Queen of Spain. The Noble Duke did not state that be arraigned the Government for acknowledging the succession of the Queen of Spain, but something fell from him that seemed to him (Earl Grey) very suspicious. The Noble Duke spoke of an alteration by the late King of Spai❑ of the law of the succession to 'the throne of that kinghom. As far as any alteration was made, it was but a return to the old established rule of succe•sian in that country, and Government were of opinion that a speedy recogni tion of the succession established by the late King, would give a moral influence and power to the Government of , this country which would enable it to put a speedy end to the contest going on in Spain. Before this the Govern ment had looked with anxiety to what might be the state of circumstances in Spain, and a proposition was made to the Spanish Ministers, which, if it had been accepted, would have settled the dispute in Portugal, established the succession in Spain, and given security to the Government. This proposition, however, was not successful, end he would not, therefore, say anything further on it.—(Hear, hear.) All he would add was, that on looking back, there was not one step taken by the Government of this country, which they were not, under the same circumstances, ready to take again, and for which he was not willing to be responsible.—(Cheers ) The Noble Duke had said that the Government of this country had encouraged Don Pedro, that they had rent ships to the Tagus and the Douro for his protection. Undoubtedly, the civil war in Portugal had placed much British property, and many British subjects, in danger and uncertainty; and what would the Noble Duke have said if we had left them unpro tected? This was the only object for which ships were sent to that country, and they had received orders to observe the strictest neutrality. Complaints, most unjustly he was sure, had been made, that the fleets sent out by this country were rather more favourable to Don Miguel than to Don Pedro; but, as he had stated on former occasions, he did not suppose but that a strict neutrality, such as they were bound to observe, had been observed. It had never been departed from under any circumstances. The next subject was that referred to in his Majes ty's speech, in which it was said, that " the peace of Tut key, since the settlement that was made with Mehemet Ali, hat not been interrupted, and will net, I trust, be threatened with any new changes, It will be my object to prevent any change in the relations of that empire with other Powers which might affect its future stability and independence."' It would be impossible fur him (Earl Grey) fully to enter into the circumstances at tending the previous transactions which bid taken place with respect to the Turkish empire. The Noble Duke had said that Government ought to have bad recourse to a measure on this occasion which, upon a similar occasion, had been successful. He (Earl Grey) did net know to what measure the Noble Duke alluded ; but when dan ger appeared they were not slow in taking measures to prevent it, and in April, 1833, this GovernMent had made a strong declaration to Mehemet Ali, which bad produced as much affect as anything could do. It was not the duty of the Government, when the interests of the country were not immediately concerned, to involve themselves in a conflict with other powers. He did not know that they were in such a state that this country should be caled on to declare itself an enemy to Mehemet Ali. On the contrary, it was a matter of great import‘nce, from our commercial reations with Egypt, that we should remain on friendly terms with the rulers of that country. Anxious to prevent the exten sion of hostilities, they bad taken means to do so, which proved successful. It was said that by what lately happened in Turkey, that country was placed in a state of depen dence on Russia. This was a state of things which this country looked upon with jealousy and fear, lint it was not owing to the present Government. No person could look at the treaty of Adrianople without feeling that this was the event of it, and that the condi..ion in which the Porte was placed would prove a fatal blow to its security and independence. He could refer to despatches during the administration of the Noble Duke in which the same statements were expressed, and the same forebodings with respect to the independence of Turkey. By that treaty of Adrianople, Russia was put in possession of the navigation of the D , nuke to the Black Sea, and the two important provinces of Wallachia and Moldavia. The hospodars of those provinces would be rendered com pletely independent of Turkey, if they should ever be released from Russia by the payment of the tribute owing to that country by Turkey. Thus Turkey was degraded, and received a fatal blow to its independence, which it could scarce ever hope to recover. It should, however, be the policy of this country to maintain it as long as it could, and this policy they were determined o adopt. The Noble Duke had referred to the subject of the Commissions that bad been issued. He (Lord Grey) would say, that that showed his Majesty's Government had not gone rashly to work, but had appointed Commis sioners to inquire into these important circumstances before they called upon their Lordships to legislate on the matter, and that they would not do so without full consideration having been given to the various subjects. Did the issuing of these Commissions not indicate quite clearly that it was the intention of his Majesty's Government, when they could do so, to propose to Parliament such measures of correction as the defects and abuses may require, and to legislate upon them in such a manner as the examination of the subject and the calculations upon the information that may be pro duced will justify ? The Noble Duke had stated, in language of reproach, that the important question of the poor laws, which in its present state he (the Noble Earl) considered the most alarming—(Hear, hear)—the most difficult to be settled—(Hear, bear)—that his Ma jesty's Government during a period of three years had done nothing upon that subject. He would ask what the Noble Duke's Administration, and what the Ad ministration that had preceded him, had done upon that subject? Were the abuses of the poor laws at that time unknown?—(Hear.) He would refer their Lordships to the able report of Mr. Stourges Bourne, made so far back as 1819, in which they would find the defects most ably pointed out by that learned person. That report had been made ten years before the breaking up of the Noble Duke's administration, and yet not only was no step taken, but he would ask whether any measure had ever been in contemplation upon that subject ? He thought it was a little bard that they should be arraigned, that they had not done any thing, especially when they considered the important and extensive measures that were passed during the last session, and that they should be considered blameable for not settling a question which the united wisdom and vigour of former adminis trations had not been able to take the advance of a single step upon. He thought they did what was the best thing tney could do; a commission was issued to inquire into it, and be trusted that in a very short time a report would be laid before their Lord ships from that Commission, in which most valuable information would be found in large and extensive views, which would show at once the difficulties and the neces sity of a settlement upon it, and which would also point out the modes in which the deficiency of those laws might HOUSE OF COMMONS, Fra. 4. The SPEAKER entered the House at twenty minutes to two o'c l ock, dr e ss e d i n hi s ro b es o f s t a t e , an d wear i n g the insignia of a Grand Cross of the Bath. He to, k his seat at the table, and the greater part of the Members, as they entered, shook hands with him, and offered their congratulations. At half p ist two o'clock the Usher of the Black Rod was announced, when the Sp aker took the chair. The Black Rod then advanced to the table and said, "Mr. :_•.;peakir, the King commairls the immediate presence of this lion. House in the House of Peers," when be retired.