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TUTHILL, of 22, Fitzroy to,. square, who had been a martyr to the Gout for e tt ` n tY 4 years, feels it his uty to announce to his fellow tt, , 4 t " ures that which all-w d ise Providence empowered him of cover an INFALLIBLE SPECIFIC for the G OUT, w hich h e h as b a d man if es t proof. , b e Patentee feels it also his duty ope nl y to avow, that th L ."Pecifi c d oes no t contain a particle of Mercury , of Col poi„utni or of the Eau Medicinale ; his Spe cific is a corn ti "'ld of simples, yet so efficient, that it not only expels ise disease, but prevents its return ; its secondary quality 11 , 4 t being composed of such innocent ingredients, it o r P:me's no restraint, neither does it require confinement, tale from any duty—any occupation.. 4 Patentee has followed the mild regimen, of taking tr,, r sioul of it every morning those latter twenty 11 4 4 "'i in the nature of daily food, without the assist s 1, 0 any medicine, by which temperate sy s te m, he has itZvetually unrooted the disease, and so efficiently abated itti ti' dissolved the chalk stones and weakness occasioned by tits ands as now to enjoy the most perfect use of his t r ' , - '•-and limbs, which had been, fur many years, con "ed and useless. tt4 i -5 Patentee, feeling front experience the necessity of t ti ir a stantaneous exposé, particularly to sufferers, proposes i i hugleuse his Specific, every Morning from Six to Ten, at if C "e, (it must be taken two heurs before breakfast) or, t t iere plea s ing, as loving more convenient , the Patentee % II I ) d ivulge the ingredients to every i n v alid who shall ha "Cribs 2001., wh e n each can compound it in his own tf li 'ei tinder his own eye, thus submitting the material of th SPecifie to the strict scrutiny of self-examination, and 1 4) h i eusbiing each to hand the RECIPE, as an heir-loom, caspring. .te Patentee, anxious to render homage to Pr ovidence, i",, t 'e exercise of every Christian feeling, will require no h,...7"neration until he proves the efficient properties of his "' i fie, which may justly be denominated 1 4 THE RENOVATOR OF HEALTH , i n -4 nucli as, the Patentee (though twenty years a cripple Gout) n o w enjoys, at the age of fifty-five, almost all t : attributes of youth—vigour, agility, good appetite, (ligestism, and soft and tranquil sleep. its, b e Patentee may be consulted, from Six in the Fore 2P~ to in the Afternoon of each day, at his house, s t ,,, k ,vnzroy.s q uare, where satisfactory letters a nd refer vi • f " - --noble lay, and medical—will be submitted t o every ma " it oat the as 31 ' 11 ' , :endea red pa rf l as utter ] rig t was b° for neat ere obse Ind a " ea shoue, dara4 lould cer Fend' i t : I le idea of the " Catechism of Health" was, in a: suggested to Dr. GrtaxviLLE by the same dis feCtulhed nobleman who so munificently conttibuted, a d al!) ago, towards a fund to relieve the p resent dis littilta of die posrer classes. Since the publication of the 4,l t t s'olumethe same Noble individual is said to have 'aßed a, - large number of copies that he might distri. tr t hem among his tenantry. The directions for the e ,ent of th e Cholera Alorbus are of especial value. e f at e -TAI, COACH ACCIDENT. — A little be theight o'clock on Wednesday evening last, the Peveril Peak coach, on its way to London, when about a 1), beyond Derby, came suddenly upon one of Messrs. k ioßn and Co.'s vans, which was proceeding towards tcnchester. The driver of the Peveril endeavoured to avoid rq v an, hut without success, and the two vehicles came th e ' e ataet with a force which snapped in two the pole of tu a d ' la th, and precipitated the driver headlong upon the ) where he was instantly killed. No passenger by the of the was was hurt, nor were the horses injured ; but one is „ i • t leaders of the van was much hurt, and, we believe, - ' t ee de a d h ger Guardian. o anc sr 4 IAL ACCIDENT. — Abou t seven o'clock rnak,. "da Y evening last, Mr. JAMES B ENTLEY, cabinet )/ n - of Bury, met with his death in an awfully sudden a n i4 4 4l "") Ancoats-bridge, Manchester. The deceased, et, r . an acquaintance of his, each mounted on horseback, At m ; e h un their return home from seeing some friends at with t. " te r , and the decsed's horse coming in contact the the battl ement o f th ea e bridge, he was precipated from few saddle with s uch force, as to cause his death in a very ir t llilt utes: Mr. BENTLEY was about 2 2 years of ag e, y,un h u:idess w i t h hi s two brothersat Bury, and a fine ti t „, ei ° nian, of steady and industrious habits. His Y fate has plunged his family and friends into the "Pelt dietrese ...,Planchc§ier Guardian. L~ / s t\ • 3. , , L ) k 7;1 41. 42D ., , -11 IMPERIAL PARLIA MENT. HOUSE OF LORDS DEC. 12. Earl SHA rrEssunir officiated as Deputy Speaker. Mr. Pearson, from the coal market, presented returns of the prices of coal, as ordered by their Lordships. The - LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat a few minutts after Five o'clock. The Duke of RICHMOND moved for a return of the quantity of land set apart for the purposes of emigration in New South \Vales, Van Dieman's Land, &c. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, 'DEC. 12. In anticipation of the important disclosure by Lord John Russell of the details of the new Reform Bill, which his Lordship had given notice of his intention to move for leave to bring in this evening, the gallery stairs were crowded at an early hour. The doors were opened at Two o'clock, and in a few minutes the gallery was filled. At Four o'clock the SrEAKEs. took his seat, at which Wine there was a large number of Members present. - On the motion of Mr. LITTLETON, a Select Committee was appointed to receive reports of all Committees on private Bills relative to the observance of the standing orders. Sir R. INGLIS moved an address to his Maj , sty, that there be laid before the House certain returns relative to the novices and Jesuits in religious houses in Great Britain and Ireland, which, after a few words from Mr. Lamb, was agreed to. Sir 11. INGLIS then moved for a return of the amount of tithes in the parishes in Ireland in the hands of lay im- proprietors. Mr. D. BROWN presented a petition from the inha bitant, of the town of Galway, praying that in the Re form Bill provision miht be made to preserve the rights of thole freemen of Galway which had been conferred upon them by the Act of last session. SIIITIIORPE was anxious to take the present opportunity to state his surprise on learning that previous to the Bill of the Noble Lord (the Paytnist , r of the Forces) being introduced, and when that Noble Lord merely gave notice that 1:e would bring in the Reform Bill, another Noble Lord (the 'Marquis of Chanties) at once wrested from him that !need of applause by giving notice of a motion cf • which he (Colonel Sibthorpe) had last session given notice. Ile came down to the House on purpose to state this, which lie did with considerable pain, after a severe ill ness of three weeks. The Noble Lord (Chandoi) had once dressed himself in Colonel S.'s colours, and now be had given notice to introduce that clause again. He declared that he would never attempt to take from an Hon. Member that which an Hon. Member might have a better right to. The petition was then read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. HUME presented a petition from a parish in Glou cestershire against the present tithe system, particularly against the manner in which the tithes were collected.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The Hon. Member thought that the time had arrived when the tithe system in England, as well as Ireland, ought to be altered, in order to prevent those very unpleasant scenes which were now occurring in various parts of the country ; and he hoped that when his Majesty's Ministers brought before the House the question of tithes in Ireland, they would: also institute some enquiry into the tithes in England. Mr. HUME moved for various returns connected with the Bill now before the House for transferring the office of Surveyor- General to that of the Board of Works, which were agreed to. Mr. CRIMPS wished to ask the Noble Lord opposite, before the House proceeded to receive the report of the Committee of Supply, whether there was any intention on the part of Government, or not, to lower the amount of duty on insurances. He thought it would be highly important that this duty should be greatly lowered. In his opinion it would tend very much to lesson the incendi arism throughout the country. Lord ALTHORP hoped that the Hon. Member would excuse him refusing to answer any questions at present respecting the revenue. It would be extremely inconve nient for him at this period of the year to give any answer to questions respecting the state of the revenue. Sir R. V YVYAN enquired whether it was the inten tion of his 'Majesty's Ministers to appoint any Committee of Inquiry for the purpose of ascertaining whether any • means could be adopted to relieve the distress of particular classes of society that prevailed in different parts of the country. • Lord Aurimer's answer was given in so lets' a tone as to be inaudible. Mr. HUNT wished to know whether the statement that had appeared in the public papers was true or not —that Bishop and Williams on the night preceding their execution had made a confession of murders which they had been guilty of to the number of s'xty, and were proceeding to make further confessions when they were in terrupted by the entrance of the Ordinary into their cells. Mr. LAMB said he knew not upon what authority such statement had been made in the public papers, but he had not heard that confession had been made by the cul prits beyond the three. Mr. Alderman IVAITIINIAN said, that since the state ment appeared in the papers which the Hon. Gentleman had alluded to, he had made every possible inquiry of the Sheriffs and Ordinary, and he had been assured that those men repeated, over and over again, before their execution, that they had conressed all, and that no other murders than the three had been confessed to by them. Mr. HUME desired to put a question to the Chancellor of the Exchequer respecting the Deccan Prize Money, which we could not hear the exact nature of. Lord ALTHORP said, that if the Hon. Member would put the question to hitn on some other day, he would an swer it. Mr. HUME then gave notice that he would repeat his question on the next Supply day, and likewise he would enquire if it was true that any delay arose from the defalca tion of persons in whose hands money had been lodged. Mr. PORTMAN wished to ask the lion. Member fur Boston, what his intention was respecting a Bill which he had last Session given notice of introducing respecting the Friendly Societies throughout the country. Mr. MILKS said that the object of his Bill was to ex tend for two years the enrolling of the existing societies. Lord MILTON said that as soon as an opportunity of fered, he would fix a day fur considering the present state of the corn laws. A considerable pause took place here in consequence of the absence of Lord John Russell, and the cries of " Ad journ, adjourn," resounded from all parts of the House. THE REFORM BILL. Lord JOHN RUSSELL, on entering the Ilotise shortly after Half.past Five o'clock, was greeted with most enthu siastic cheers. On . silence being obtained, the Speaker called upon the - Noble Lord. Lord John Russell then arose, and moved that that part of his Majesty's speech relating to the Reform Bill be read, which being done by the Clerk, the Noble Lord addressed the House as follows : " Sir, this HoUse, in answer to that part of his Ma jesty's most gracious speech, begged to assure his Majesty that they received with humility and respect his Majesty's recommendation to their most careful consideration of the measures to be proposed for a Reform in the Common" House of , Parliament, and begged to assure his Majesty that they felt confident that a speedy and satisfactory settlement of that important question became daily of more importance to the security of the State, and to the contentment and welfare of the people ; and begged to assure his Majesty also that their most careful consideration should be immediately given to that most important sub ject. Sir, in that sentiment in which this House con curred without any division, I think there will be but few who will not be ready to agree—(Gre a t cheering)—for whatever may be the merits of the measure that has been proposed in the former session, the measure now about to be proposed to the consideration of the House, I think whoever has attended to the peat questions which have agitated this country from time to time must be convinced that the time has now arrived, when a satisfactory settlement of the question ought to be come to. Happily the discussion of a question like the present has taken place in a Gauntry where freedom of debate prevails, and I hope will ever prevail. The topics chosen by the advocates for or against the measure have so raised the expectations of the people, that at length the country has become in a state which it is dangerous to keep in suspense any longer hanging over the heads of the people, and it new becomes the solemn duty of Parliament to convert those expectations into realities, and to bind the desire of the people en the one hand, and the obstinacy of rcsiotanCe on the Ober ) under T/ •• • . 10/0"—-;•s• i 10 1 ~ .. C S k,,i 1 .rA, ~ , s.--, 44 0 eW": - 4 '4,F rh:, . : ,-,39- • - - p , , ~.' if/ ••e /1 k - . i _ ... • ..,,,,,.. 4 7 c : -.'ek,' ,‘ . i , . ~..4 t -, ~: .-',•Y ,N3Arf..q 4 , • C'•_' ( 1.-- - , N.' -.!, /0 A,- - .t.i ~,: I .': ;g-i ',-, , *' , •Ali„,7',A 4 1;-• 7,11 p, LONDON, TUESDAY EV Parliamentary law—that Sir, has certainly been the different state of the different'queatiOns which have :been agitated in this country.—(Cheers.) We may Sir, recollect a great •measure, the 'Catholic question, where certainly, although I am convinced that right and reason and policy, on the one' hand; demanded the concessiim of such a question; yet certainly the dangers to be appre hended from the non Tassing of such 'a 'measure as thd one proposed - were 'undoubtedly 'Very much "exa.g,gerited ; hot nobody could deny that the greatest b =nefit has been de rived in the passing of that measure by the people of Ireland. Ministers had, therefore, thought it was their ditty to . „ bring this measure as soon as poe able to a speedy, and satisfactory result. Upon the present question; i• think that any who looks at it cannot fail to allow that both the • abuses to be remedied, awl the advan tages to be derived, are very great.--(Lowl and con continued cheers from the Ministerial side of the House.' It is therefore, Sir, not only for the sake of the nation itself, hot for the 'sake of _ . the country that the King's Glivernmt•ni call upcin Parliament to endeavour now to come the speedy aril satisfactory settlement of the questaon, and endeavour' as far is may be to overturn those difficulties which rimy surround us. Whatever evils the country May , ustain in consequence of the ditCnllies ;hose difficulties will be griiilfi•Clieved hy a sa- tisfactory settlement of this question, for then Parlia ment will have time to consider other subjects, which cannot fail to demand their most deliberate attention. Sir, Hon. Members will recollect that at the end of the last Session of Parliament, when the Reform Bill was re- jetted by the House of Lords, the Noble Lord at the head of his Majesty's Government determined that he would not remain in office unless he could bring forward a measure which was equally efficient with the one rejected. He made that declaration in the face of Par liament; and he had also repeated it to his Sovereign, who had been graciously pleased to desire him to remain in office. By that tie, Sir, he remains in the office which he now bolds, and by that he is determined to stand or fit'.l.—(Loud and continued cheering.) I have drawn the attention of the House to this fact, because it will save. me from entering into topics' of general Reform, or of the par ticular reasoning upon which the principles of the Bill re s jected in the House of Lords during the last year mainly rested. This House declared that to the principles of that Bill, and to its leading provisions, theywere mainly attached. Therefore, Sir, the Government resting upon that founda••• tion, the House of Commons having pledged itself to the foundation of that Bid, it will be unnecessary for me to urge any arguments in favour of the Bill. It will be sufficient for me to say that they are the principles on which the Government alone can propose a Bill of Reform —they are the principles on Which alone they can propose it to this flouse,which I must expect would reject any measure that was not conformable with their own settled declarations. It is with a view rather of explaining the alterations made upon the grounds I have stated, than with any view of de fining or re-arguing the principles of the Bill themselves, that I address myself to the consideration of it. The great points of the last Bill were, the disfranchisnaent of certain boroughs, giving Members to large counties and populous towns, and regulating the right of voting, proposed to be introduced into all towns and boroughs. With respect to the disfranchising clause, it may be recollected that we said it would be necessary to t Ike a certain number of the small and decayed boroughs, and draw a line bet Ween them and boroughs of somewhat more consideration, where we could introduce a greater number of electors, so as to establish more fully the principle of this Bill, which is the principle of the Bill of Rights, that elections should be free. In order to obtain the knowledge of the boroughs to be disfranchised which were contained in schedule A, we took the census of 1821, and took a certain population, below which every borough was to be disfranchised. Since that time the new census has been nearly completed, and of course it is natural that that circumstance should not be thrown out bf view when we come to consider a measure of Parliamentary Reform. At the same time I think there were objections to that census, and one which I stated at the time was, that it having been made at a period when a line of disfranchisement was about to be drawn, it was almost impossib!e not to suppose that, in some cases, efforts would be made to make up the numbers of certain places requisite to ensure a vote. Sir, front this consideration, we have thought that as a test of the population we bad, better take the number of houses of the different borough!, than the number of persons within those boroughs, it being less likely that improper practices can be accomplished with respect to houses than with respect to persons, many of whom might be collected in a single day, and brought into the place to answer a particular object. There is, however, another reason why we should propose to take houses in preference to persons, which I shall state. There was another difficulty attending the census of 1821, which certainly much embarrassed the progress of the Bill last Session. When it was first taken, it was supposed the differences between the limits in the popula tion census, and the population which sent Mem bers to Parliament, was not so material as that that circumstance could have produced any great effect. But it latterly appeared on discussion that a very great difference existed between the two, and that it was exceed ingly difficult to draw the line where the census ought to be disregarded, and where it ought to be adhered to. Now, I think, as far the population census is concerned, we drew the line in such a manner that it could not have been better effected. When I say we took it fsirly, I will adduce as a proof the suggestion of two Hon. Members, both of whom had given it consideration. The one said, we ought to take the returns, leaving out those en • gaged in agriculture; the other said, there was a great difference between the north and south parishes, and that we ought not to apply the same rule to both. Now, it is evident, if we had taken either of these modes of proceedings we must have incurred great censure. There fore I have thought that that census was not calculated to give us so discriminating a view of the boroughs as we ought to have, and, consequently, as soon as it entered into the contemplation of Government to bring forward another Bill, we took every possible means to obtain a correct account of what really was the size and pe.. pulation of the boroughs which the Bill is propos e d to affect. This, however, is a task of no small dif ficulty. Mr. Pitt, in speaking on this subject in 1785, says, " I will take the number of houses, which is not liable to error, and which is agreeable to the pt in ciplee of Parliamentary representation." But if Mr. Pitt had even carried his measure beyond the mere pro position (though it certainly had been much discussed), he would have found it was not so easy a task as - he thought. For instance, where there is a borough contain ing a whole town, you take the. houses in the whole town, and obtain a satisfactory result: but in other instances where a town has increased beyond a borough, it would be unjust to say that because this borough has increased, we will not allow it that im portance to which its present situation entitles it. Now this is a matter very difficult to deal with, when the facts are disputed. For instance, with regard to Tamwortb, there has been a doubt as to what ought to be the town there : and I believe it was found that the return which was sent up was insufficient, and did not contain so many houses as ought to have been contained within that borough. But, Sir, we have taken another test combined with the test of the hmses, in order to give a still more accurate view of the extent and importance of the boroughs, and that is not to take the 10/. rents, but the amount of rent paid, as appears by the assessed taxes, up to April last. Though we have found that to be attended with great difficulties, still we shall be able to produce satisfactory evidence to the House that we have taken the most proper mode of proceeding with respect to these boroughs. We have been very much assisted in doing fo t t his by gentlemen who have g one do wn into the country he purpose of - drawing distinctions betwen boroughs and Cities. Besides this, we have had letters written to the returning officers of .different boroughs ; and, although in some instances the instructions have not been understood, and the answers have been necessarily sent down again -tor revision and correction, yet I am proud to say their answers have been fair and explicit ; and in the majority of cases, where they have been corrected by the Govern ment Commissioners, the correction has rather gene to show that the returnine-officer had not given a s ufficient breadth to the town, than that he had taken too much for its limits. Having these grounds - for our information, a rtieular task was entrusted to Lieu'. Drummond, who is at the head of the Commissioners, for ascertaining the limits. The Noble Lord at the head of the Home De partment wrote Mr. Drummond a letter, asking him to take this mass of information' ad from it to make vet a -- )fz , . _ ~ - ' l llo* r,tl4 -,! , M Cr , St- , Si : 1 . 7 :" ''" f ~,i-vr.c4.l a.l t`. !* 44.' ..9-r != I -',`.T,. ' ;3 e!'..-. ~ „. 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To render this :clause more perfee, we now propose that every person shall vote, whose house, warehouse, or shop, having been occupied for a period not less than twelvemonths, is assessed to the poor rates as of the value of ten pounds.—(His Lordship then read the clause relative to this part of the Bill.) Another clause in the former Bill said, that a person who rented a ten-pound lititisey but who did not pay taxes, could not vote but he might demand to pay these taxes. We still pro pose.to retain that right to such persons—it may be said, that this is a new qualification, and that it has not been tried, but I beg to obserfe, that at Norwich and some other large towns the same system of qualifica- tion has existed, and that even in the present Parliament a Bill was passed with the same qualification, only re stricted to 121. for the election of overseers of the poor. The House will perceive this clause introduces merely a scot and lot qualification, with this proviso, that the voter must pay a , rent of 101., and that his house must he of that actual . value—a .qualificatiOn which .n my opinion will produce a constituency in this country than which none can be better. In the late Bill we preserved the right of corporation voters during their life, but in this Bill_ we propose to go a step further—that is, to preserve for ever-the rights of freemen in boroughs by birth or smvitude—{llear; hear}—but we do not intend to alter that principle of the late Bill which excluded non-resident freemen from voting - . In this Bill we have a claus&pro viding, that should his Majesty grant a charter to: any borough in schedule C or 11, the Mayor of that borough shall be the returning officer. One other right which I had almost forgot to mention, and which was occluded from the last'Reform Bill, we propose to preserve by this--in cities which are considered as counties in themselves, many persons who are qualified as vciten are excluded from exercising that right, and. by this Bill it is proposed that they shall have a vote for the county. The Commissioners named in the last Bill for the dividing of counties, and the ascertaining of the limits t:1 cities, have made their enquiries with great ' zeal and activity--and I owe it to those gentlemen to hear this testimony to the manner in which ' they have executed their labours—and so soon as their Report should have been received, and adopted, it shOuld be acted on with respect to such places as should have been made the subject of it. In most instances, persons have been sent to perform the duties that would have de volved upon the Commissioners, if appointed, and such an amount of information has been acquired, as will, I think, supersede the necessity of appointing any Com Mi ssioners at all—that the proper limits of cities and boroughs can be decided on and enacted for at once. I have further to state, that from the reports received from the gentlemen sent into the country for the purpose to which I have ad verted, it is thought that the strict rule of requiring three hundred electors might he advantageously departed from. It was, of course, never intended that the Commissionersshould decide upon those questions—it was merely in tended that they should obtain information, and lay it be fore Parliament accompanied by their opinions. In. al these cases, then, Parliament will have now the means of legislating in connection with the general measure, and making up a constituency suited to the present circnmstancss and feeling of the country. Sir, I believe I have now gone through all the essential alterations which are proposed to be =deb), this Bill. ;Of course there are minor alterations in the Bill, but they are of trifling importance, as they are merely for the purpose cd correcting inaccuracies which had crept into the former Bill, and the proper time for discussing them will be when the Bill is before the House. Sir, it is unnecessary for me at present to enter further into the general principles of the measure—if it should be thought right now to make this measure a subject of debate, I am ready to enter upon it, but if it is the opinion of the House, that it is better to defer the discussion to amther time, when the Bill comes wholly before the House, I will give in to that opinion readily, conscious that it is the best. No oue now is found to uphold the Constitution as it at present stands, but every one is asking, and is anxiously inquiring, how the new constituency should be formed. The Noble Lord at the head of the Government has voluntarily come under an obligation that he will not propose nor support any measure which, in his opinion, is not as efficient as the one last brought forward. The present Bill was, in the opinion of the Government, consistent with the privileges of the other Houseof Parliament, and was framed with an anxious desire for the security of the Crown. The Constitution of our country was no doubt good, but the time was now t come when it was necessary to infuse into it changes • which would strengthen it, renew it, and again [ bring it forth, in its pristine beauty. Ever since • the first French revolution the whole mind and intel- ligence of this country bad been constantly engaged in calling for alterations in many of our laws, which, in former times, used to be held in the utmost veneration, making them part and parcel of the Constitution. There are few men in this House, Sir, or in either House, who will not be ready to admit that the laws in many respects require change, and the Right Hon. Baronet is certainly one of those. He has made great alterations in the laws, both commercial and criminal. Ile has not feared, Sir, to introduce the hand of Reform into them, in order to snake them, as I think, more compatible with the present state of society. In other questions, Sir, there has been more difference in opinion. But will any man think, when all these Reforms are going on, and when from day to day such great changes are made in those laws which were formerly thought perfect—can it possibly be expected, Sir, that those abuses which have been introduced into our system of representation, that those deformities which belong to it, are to be exempted from Reform. All, Sir, depends on our selves. We are to decide, although in the opinicn of some it may be considered that the former system has some, merits—merits superior to any which can be thought of, whether the system we are now about to introduce is not superior to them all.—(Cheers.) The question, Sir, for us to decide is, whether Reform is necessary or not; and, Sir, by the universal con sent of those opposed to Reform, it is necessary to make some change ; and I think it is for them to consider whether this is such a change as will strengthen the people in their support of the three branches of the Legislature. That it is so, no unbiassed mind can doubt. It is not my intention now, Sir, to enter into that ques tion, but I think it one upon which the decision of the House ought to be grounded.—(Hear, hear.) Those most opposed to Reform, may say they think the former system preferable. But that system being doomed not to last longer—(Loud laughter from the Op position)—l take that statement, Sir, not from the declarations of all on the other side of the House, but coming from persons most attached to the former system. —(Cries of " Hear, hear," and " No, no.") I ask, Sir, admitting that some change or other must be made, whether they will now apply their minds earnestly to that act of conciliation which the present Bill will en sure. The present Bill provides for all those great ob jects for which a conciliating measure ought to provide ; and I ask, Sir, whether it is not very likely, if passed, to provide for the peace, the welfare, and prospe rity of the country. The Noble Lord sat down amidst great cheering, by moving for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the representation of England. The question was then put, that leave be given to bring in a Bill to amend the representation in England and Wales. Sir R. PEEL wished to know from the Noble Lord opposite what course he intended to pursue in the manage ment and further conduct of the Bill? Lord ALTHORP replied, that when the 8111 was be fore the House, he should, with as little delay as possible, propose that the second reading be taken, and that imme diately afterwards the House do adjourn for the holidays. He intended to propose that the I3tll be read a second time on Friday next. That, certainly, was but a short time ; yet, when it was recollected that the Bill had been already before the House, it would not, he trusted, be thought too short. He hoped, therefore, that Hon. 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From , his return. of . these (the grounds of which, in a letter and in an affidavit, explanatory of the courselie has pursued, are now before the House), the first step of the Reform Bill, the schedule A, is based. The next T iestion for . the Government to decide, was What thee would take as their principle of disfranchise ment, and where. they would draw fie line. Now, as I 'lave said, it must be in every way an arbitrary line— whether you are to take the number of population, the number of houses,. or the assessed taxes, it must in every ease he an arbitrary line-:-igreunded on the principle, that Cie horeughs below a certain nombernre undoubtedly by far too incon,iderable.to alloy ; them the least hcipe for having the election Of Meinbere of ParUatnent, and that it is better to transfer the rights, not rigbts.indeed enjoyed by them, but only nominally their rights—to .transfer those rights, to the great counties, or the large, populous, and Wealthy cities. and towns , throughout the country. As to the schedules A ,and B e it will be found that those of last year contained, generally speaking, pretty fairly the number of boroughs that were to be disfranchised. The consequence of taking that scale is, that sBine . liwougbe , which formerly escaped disfranchise menje' as poptilookatatlerge, will now be placed in sche dule A, while others, which arc better towns in com parison, will be' placed out even of schedule B. The latter are five in number, and a sixth is under considera tion. The towns that are to,be taken from schedule B are Aldborough, in Yorkshire—(Cheers from the Opposition) --.Aliersham, East Grinstead, Oakhampton, and Saltash. There is one other borough, which n-as in the list of the forty-one boroughs in schedule B, and with respect to Which there are even now still some doubts as to what are the proper limits of the borough.' That is the borough of Ashburton. Following up the same principle, the bo roughs of Midhurst,. Petersfield, Eye, Wareham, Wood stock, and Lostwitbiel; will be no longer in schedule A. The other part of the disfranchising clause relates to sche dule B; and, in speaking of that schedule, I must say, that it stands upon a different principle from that which governs schedule A. . The borotighs placed in schedule A. were placed there as Unfit, from the smallness of their size, or low amount of population, to have a right to send Members at all,, as it was unlikely they could enjoy the ,freedom of election. , But the boroughs placed in schedule B were placed there originally more with a view to the general frame of the representation than with any other par ticular. object ; and, in the first place, not to give to the smaller boroughs such a large share in the representation as they would haVe if they were to have two Members, and also with the view to diminishing the numbers of the House. With regard to the propriety of these boroughs not having two Members, the opinion of the framers of the Bill is un changed—with respect to the other point, namely, as to fill ing up the Members of the House, it has been a matter of consideration, many having objected to the diminution of the House, whether it would not be more advantageous to conciliate them without violating the great general prin. ciplesnf the measure. In considering that question another advantage was perceived—in filling up the number it had been one of the most constant objections to the measures Government had proposed, that many of the large towns in the kingdom being left with only one Member, would be in a state of discontent till they obtained a second. Without yielding entirely to that argument, it will be evident that great advantage would be gained, if by :so giving a second Member, such objection might in some degree be obviated ; but it was evident that the whole number of these vacant places could not he given to the towns in conformity with a motion made by a Noble Friend of his, the Blember for Northampton, which would have been giving too much weight to the manufacturing towns ; neither would it be proper to give them to the great counties ; wherefore if given 'to some of the highest in schedule B, there was this re commendation, that it took away some, of those objec tions that had been made to the Bill without in any way injuring tbe'priticiple of the Bill. It is, therefore, proposed that out of the twenty-three Members that re main in order to fill up the numbers of the House, ten shall be given to the more considerable towns in schedule B, that one shall be given to Chatham, in order to separate it from Rochester, and one to the county of Monmouth, which has repeatedly petitioned for another borough Mem ber, and which has, of late years, much increased in po pulation and wealth, and that the other eleven shall be given to the larger towns, that would otherwise be in schedule B. In consequence of this arrangement, there will be thirty boroughs in schedule B instead of forty-one, and instead of there being sixty-nine places sending but 'one Member each, there will be only forty-nine. Accord ing to the present population, and to the scale which I have Mentioned, founded upon the houses and the as sessed taxes, we have prepared the list of the boroughs in schedule B, which are now reduced to thirty, and which, in several instances, 'differs from the former lists, besides the cases of the eleven boroughs to which I have already referred.—(fhe Noble Lord here read the list, but frosts the low tone and hasty manner in which be read this, as well as some other papers to which he referred, we were unable to catch the names of all the towns be mentioned. Those we . did hear were, Hythe, Lostwithiel, Westbury, Wareham, Wilton, Midhurst, Woodstock, Amesbury, Liskeard, Droitwich, Eye, Lyme-Regis, Downton, Horsham, Thirsk, St. Ives, Morpeth, Caine, Clitheroe, Helston, Christchurch, and Great Marlow.) —These are the circumstances which I have thought it right to state to the House. I know not what use may be made of the statement. It was the subject of much comment in a former session. According to the, returns respectiug those eleven towns, and on the subject of which fresh information has been received, we are led . to think that the proper course will be to remove them from schedule B. Amongst those eleven is the borough of Tavistock, and I presume I need not inform the House that it was my most earnest desire that everything should lie done which could supply to the House and the public every possible information, as it was one which bad been more questioned and was likely to be more examined and scrutinized than any other, and I am, for that and other reasons, most anxious that every pos sible light should be thrown upon its condition and circum stances. But if any gentleman choose to say that any unfair rule has been attempted to be established with re spect to that borough—that any unfair advantage has been taken for the purpose of plating it beyond the reach of disfranchisement —if gentlemen will say that, I shall only say that such statement is utterly false and un founded. The towns to which I Teter are Bolton, Brighton, Bradford, Blackb urne, Macclesfield, Stock port, Stoke-upon .Trent, Halifax, and Stroud (including Tavistock, the Noble Lord stated, but ten towns, though he said there were eleven). I have now done with olbßntehei anotherin.rtgiven With v o(' f i p l that part of the Bill which relates to disfranchisement, and that part which relates to the enfranchise ment schedule-nnrae,7dp proposed alsieecd, o right ihdgeihn l tgr now gftobvt otthoi efn gcvooimnti proposed encgi cities i t te o os o : f t a o r t d ihn b e t e o ßt t r ih h i e le e ; tiaalairngnrtdgreeat town., beyond which there is no and boroughs, I wish it to be particularly understood by the House, and because the great disfranchisement clause in schedule A, and the 10/. enfranchisement clause,' are the two pillars on which this measure rests.—(Cheers.) That without them this measure will be useless—(Cneers) —that with them any minor defects in the Bill will be amply compensated, by the great e nfranchisement of large town, by the great disfranchisement of nomina tion bormghs, and by the security of the right of voting in cities and boroughs, founded on the common law of the land, and particularly adapted to the present state of the country, and which is likely to bring into the con stituency of towns those best qualified by their in telligence, by their interest in the country, and by the interest it is necessary the Constitution of the coun try should have in them—the Very best qualified to form the constituency of a large portion of this House. I do not think it necessary at this time to go at length into the Merits of the ten-pound enfranchise ment clause ; on another day, on the second read ing of the Bill, or on any other occasion, I shall be ready to defend all the provisions of the Bill, and even that part of the Bill which was the most unpalatable, especially as some persons suppose that by raising the fran chise in large towns, and diminishing it in the smaller ones, we should be making a sort of scot and lot boroughs, and that we should be alienating from the Constitution &large body of intelligent voters. With regard to that part of the Reform Bill, we have never yet entertained any pro ject which' should have the effect of altering its value. It will he recollected that by the clause, as originally pro posed in the last Bill, voters were obliged to pay a rent of 101., and before the person could vote, it was necessary that out of the necessity of the case, or proceeds as the's onta nevus act of the Government themselves. - Feel;n? as I . do, that the questions which we shall be called 1,7 0 . to dismiss are of the most vial importance, I am willing fo r one to defer all observations, and to abstain from anythin calculated to provoke discussion. I have but one feeli,g , g ind that is a feeling of grateful exultation of the escap e ts-e have had from the Bill of last session. We c an have but one feeling of deep and sincere gratitude to those who have delivered us from that imminent danger._. (Loud and enthusiastic cheering.) I confess that I for one never fully appreciated that danger till I heard the speech of the Noble Lord this night—l repeat, that we never can be 'saflieiently grateful to those who have given. us time for further deliberation, and further imptsiverrterit in the Bill. Numerous are the calumnies that have 1)&14 put forth on this subject, hut this Bill is an answer' is them all --(Loud and continued cheering.) It is to the opponents of the late rneasute a most triumphant vindica tion—it is the noblest and most perfect tribute that could be offered in favour of the p ers ev e rance and abilities with which time for further deliberation has been obtained for us. Almost every part of schedule A bas been changed, and as to the details, there has scarcely been an alteration made whith did not proceed from suggestions made at this side of the Honsei The list derived from population is Doll' to he abandoned. f.§.elletiele A is to be altered="the sumed number of 56 notnitiatirm boroughs has keen e? en; though the Noble Lord tels us if iS five ton many. 11;4 . thinks it is five too many, though he says h e will adhere to his arbitrary number of fifty-six--tadhlre tettlim:ra to that nott'oet though the population returns es*te his that the number Might not to exceed fifty-one. Titer; rights of freemen by birth and derviende are to be pr6ervet, - the census of 1831 is to be gdopted instead of that of 1821. !louses are now to he the test in borofightl, riot popttlatinn ; and I think there is likewise ground for co'Pgratirlation its tire change that has been made in the rights M voting haf counties and cities. Further, the Comtnissioneti are to' be dispensed with altogether. Here, then, are ni?!Tringz but- the suggestions made from this side erf li ,the Hou *? and finally we have a fair sacrifice to the manes Of an nsti to,uffameen,bideertsl GentPoarfralii thisa G n Parliament t ru i , es t e h s e aa a irn t e l c o n o tt t io i n e , adoption i t r i , '; l , ne t ni s d v es,7 l , l n i which ; ..al e h ° a:t time :hat they are still to stand at _6si4,—(ln reply tO an inquiry from Sir Robert Peel, . Lord' John 'Rua saell was here understood to intimate that the number of the Irish Representatives was not to be in creased.) I think we ought to have laid before us the Scotch and Irish Bills before we are called upon to come to a decision respecting the Bill for England and Wales. As to the 10/. qualification, I must be - allowed to say, that whatever is done relative to it depends so much upon the manner of the alteration, that one mode of retaining it may be highly objectionable, while another may be di rectly the reverse. The proposition for voting by weekly tenants was not adopted at first: it was subsequently in irodueed,-and now we find it is abandoned. The more I reflect upon what has occurred, the more do I rejoice that time fur deliberation has been obtained ; and I am sure, when the House recollects we are engaged in framing a new Constitution for the government of this country, it will not grudge the few additional months that have been spent in the operation. Why these alterations that the Noble Lord now boasts of were not made in the Bill last session it is not for me to say; at all events his Majesty's Government had full opportunity of doin g Gd if they had thought proper; and I now rejoice, vt , liateef my objections to the Bill still may be—l rejoice, both fol. 4 .110' .ake of toy own character and for the sake of the character of the persons with whom I have acted, in this triumphant refutation of the charges that were formerly brought igainst us.—(Loud cheers.) I rejoice, Sir, in the delay that has taken place, not only on account of the amend ments and improvements it has already produced in the detail: of the Bill, but because I think that, after the se cond reading of this new measure shall have been carried, by which the House will adopt the extensive changes front the former Bill which are now propo,ed by the Noble Lord, it is very likely Parliament will be inclined to in ; toduce still further amendments.—(Cheers.) Another ,reit advantage that has arisen from this postponement of the question is, that we shall . now he able to enter into the discussion of it under circumstances of much less ex citement than formerly.—(Hear, bear.) If it be true that in matters having a much less extensive bearing on the general well-being and welfare of the country, it is not fitting or proper to bring them into agitation in times of public excitement—if it be true that even in such matters as those which have for their object the regulation of the science of anatomy—if it be true that, even in such mat ters as taking precautions against a system of foul and unnatural murder, more disgraceful than anything that ever characterised the conduct of savages—if, 1 say, it be true even in such matters as these, that the excited state of the public feeling is imperative against the discussion and agitation of such questione—surely it is not too much d e yenC e dA n pcte rojubtugthlnnaoaiutontr country—is ah i_ con v lsa i de n inis g odadutl a n oeiscolthibae n etdyrs o e: b: b ) l o_sn e mop r oeittt i tr; e u ivalea b tedr j itreo e subject--the ontss t . eh:thoahputo t ec h lurdaa e li dem C unt :o picenmeu n oriea - t claimps to , t ; a ta t a c u ofton t k i i r :o ciafo th r e don i nrd o a e f d t trdose w i t —is h u:e c h when no ur son, whatthea atun rdajoiticwedexhgucemrinrteeertidmht the band excitement.—(Cheers.) t a . s t—he b ( e ic e sc n hot eur eerdrmsiseibt;l: trembling egltdh‘rvelei rejoice, i: e cs x h teth t , e bet r oh n afeeß a riv l o:ni i . : 1: 00, - f; al P hn a a r ut liament has enabled his Majesty's Government to bene fit by the suggestions that were then offered, and that it will • enable us to approach the discussion of the principle and the details of this new Bill with that temper and dis passionate feeling of which the subject, for its importance, is so deserving. The Noble Lord, in his speech this even ing, has told us it is highly necessary we should come to a speedy and satisfactory settlement of this great question_ that a great deal of extravagant hope exists out of door. —that undue apprehensions have been encouraged—and that there is no safe alternative left for us but to turn those expectations into reality. It is possible that the Noble Lord may be correct in what he has thus uttered ; but I must confess, that Rs I listened to his words I could not help recalling to my recollection the observations that I heard fall from the Chancellor of the Exchequer at the close of the session, r:ho told us that when the Govern ment first proposed this measure of Reform, they did not expect that it would be carried—a speech that had excited some wonder in my mind, and made me ask myself what frail sort of Government this was, that had actually come forward with a proposition without so much as the expec tation that it would be carried—(Hear, hear)—and it must ever he a subject of regret to me, however opposed I may be to the necessity and extent of this Reform, that the same moderation and temper which have dictated the speech of the Noble Lord this evening have not always been pursued in the councils of the King since the first originaticn of this subject. What may be the issue of this question I know not ; but I for one believe, that I shall best be discharging my duty by viewing it, not in its pre sent bearing, but in its ultimate effects; and if in my conscience I believe that those ultimate effects will be at variance with the welfare and prosperity of the country, I feel that my right course will be the offering, perhaps reluc tant (because I am unwilling to provoke further agitation), but, at all events, a firm opposition to the principles of the Bill.—(Cheers.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—As to what fell from me at the close of the last session of Parlia ment, and to which allusion has just been made by the Right Hon. Gentleman, I beg to state most distinctly that he has misunderstood what fell from me on that occasion, and that I never intended to say that either the Govern ment or myself bad no expectation of carrying the question of Reform when they brought it before this House.— (Hear, hear.) What I did mean to say on that occasion was, that from the impression which seemed to be made by the statements of my Noble Friend when he first brought the measure forward, the Government had ex pected that if a division had at that period been taken te Bill would have been rejected —( hear)—but though thus far is true, I beg entirely to deny that the Government ever thought of proposing a measure which they had no hopes of carrying. In order to ascertain • this point, the motives that induced his Majesty's Ministers to bring for wand the late Bill should be considered. We did not take that step in consequence of any excitement which we our selves had produced—(A laugh and cheers from the Oppo sition, answered by loud c heers from the Ministerial side) —we took it in consequence of the long expressed and opinion (Criespi_nio of tphoertoiopnpoosiftitohne, with cheering from the other side.) There seems to be a difference ofopiaion on that point : now I will admit that when we carne into office, we certainly did expect that that opinion would triumph ; and in that way we may have been said to have c instil the excitement ; but on the other hand, that that expectation and wish existed in the country long before the formation of the present Ministry, no one that will take the trouble to look back to past events can for moment doubt. I entirely agree, Sir, with the Right lion. Gentleman in thinking that this subject should be Discussed calmly and deliberately; but I must say that ,h e speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman—(Continued cheers)—does not quite accord with his recommendation —(Cheers revived) —for I hardly ever heard a speech shish (though temperate itself) was more likely to excite Meat in others, and produce more fierceness of debate.— Cheers.) Toe Right Hon. Gentleman has told us that 'll the alterations which we hive made in the present Bill ere alterations which we ought to have made last ees-