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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, OCTOBER 13. A petition was presented from the Mayor _rdannadCoorpfoTrratadionn in Dublin, praying for the establishment of a .13 Dublin. Mr. BEasst,.and others from the Commons, brought up the Employment of the Poor Bill, and the Bill for authorising the Importation of Lumber and Provisionsfrom America into3ar. badoes. On the motions of the Duke of RICHMOND and Lord AtfcX. I,kNO respectively, the Bills were read a first time, and ordered for a second reading to-morrow, with an intimation that a ma tion would be made to suspend the. Standing Orders, that theßill s might be passed ox that day. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition in favour Of the Reform Bill. IRISH YEOMANRY, Lord KING presented a petition from the Minty of Carlow, praying that the yeomanry of the county should be disbanded, a nd another force substituted to preserve the peace. Th e peti tioners stated that the yeomanry of the county of tallow were men of the lowest ranks, and the employing Stich men to pre serve the peace was itself a cause of meth Violence and disturb ance, and therefore on that account they Were anxious that their Lordships should adopt some Measure to dispense with tile yeomanry force. It might perhaps be difficult to dispense fah them at present, but he agreed with the petitioners thi,Ll another orce would answer the purpose better. Durint ttie Administra tion of Lord Cornwallis, the yeomanry Were kept in the back ground, and it was improper to tropic)), them at all, except in times of great difficulty and danger: They could not be em ployed in ordinary times, Vvialtiut Perpetuating the evils of ant. mostly and dissension, which Were too prevalent in Ireland. lie took this occasion to present the petition, as he saw several Noble Lords connected with Ireland on the opposite betath. Earl RODEN thanked the Noble Lord Int pieSentit etlie tition when they were in attendance, and •eetild 'We ;tit answer as to the charges against the yeoWianry. .The Noble Lord was keita.lly mistaken, when he ftrited t tliat the frith yeomanry were linen of the lowest rank, They werre, a tickly of substantial men, 'and remarkably welladapted , fcir: effectually putting down dis turbances, and ibey nten attached to the best interests of Ireland. Ax to their beint men of the lowest order, he could answer that by a.direet `Aegative. He was himself a Catirai'e ogee, of these corps t amt could answer for their eenerak pexkeouduct. Lord KING ~ - He himself knew little of trelaed l 'and had only said that "the petitioners stated that the Vaiiiatiry of the county of Carlow were of the lowest closet' on. He did not dispute their devotion to their county}'., lint he was of opinion that they ought to be employed only in Miles of difficulty and danger, and et resent they might well be dispensed with. Lord LORTON tonfirmed what had been stated by his Nobly Friend (Earl as to the efficiency and utility of tht Irish yeomanry. TIM Matq i `uis of WESTMEATH—He was himself ad bilker pi* :yettlKalry, and could speak to their genctal geed conduct 10 . 1 e 'unhappy occurrences had lately talten plate, to which the 'fietntion of Government had been `direeted ; lifinisters had done ° everything to repress and restrain AIM occurrences. Lord KING then presented petitions from the parishes of St.. Giles in the nelds, and St. iscurge's, Bloomsbury, in favour of the Vestry Adt. LI:ADM-HP then presented a petition in favour of Re forsn from a place in Leicestershire; also, a petition from the Rowan Catholics of a parish in Galway, injavour of the Galway Franchise Bill. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE present&l a petition to the same effect, from a place in the county of Galway. GALWAY FR 4,NTHISE BILL. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE moved the order of the day for eoing into CommittOe On the Galway Franchise Bill. The Bill was comraittca accordingly. The Duke of WELLINGTON opposed the Bill, as being con trary to the pelity Which ought to be adopted with regard to Ire land, since tIW passing of the Catholic Relief Bill. The propel policy waitid have been to repeal the Act of the 4th of George I; IsVatie this corporation exclusively Protestant, and to leave hs they were under their charter. But instead of doing ItfrAts the i,resent Bill introduced a large body of Catholics into tbe q:,rporation. He therefore moved an amendment to the effect O.: tendering the Bill to repeal the Galway Statute of thp 4th Viorge I. 'The Marquis of CLANRICARDE opposed the amendment. The conduct of the Noble Duke was very extraordinary, for if he intended to substitute another Bill for the present, he ought to have objected to the second reading. There was a very impor tant reason for not repealing that Bill, for it enabled the Lori' Lieutenant to appoint additional Magistrates, besides those of the corporate hndy, to which before the Magistracy had been eri tirely confined. This power had been most beneficially exercised on several occasions. He objected to the amendment also, as bei ing destructive of the rights of Protestant freemen. Lord ELLENBOROUGI - I—He had no objection to the principle of the Bill, and had, therefore, voted for the second reading. The principle was to equslize the franchise, as between Protestant and Catholic, and of that he approved, as the proper policy to be now pursued. What he objected to was the mode in which this was done, and he thought it would be much better done by the repeal of the Act of the 4th Geo. I. as proposed by his Noble Friend. As to the depriving the Protestant freemen of their vested rights, the Noble Marquis had lately voted for a Bill which went to deprive of their vested rights the freemen of fitly-six boroughs. If the Ministers intended to support the Bill, he must say that it was one of the most scandalous jobs that ever existed. _ _ The Marquis of CLANructiEDE and the Duke of WELLINGTON explained. Lord PLUNKETT objected to the amendment, that it would tvl - feal the whole of the. Act of the 4th George L i'he Duke of WELLINGTON explained, that by the '7th of George IV. the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland could call on the Land-Chancellor to appoint four Magistrates for Galway, whiOt would obviate any inconvenience to the town of Galway from the repeal of this Act. After some further conversation the clause was agreed tO, without any division. The House resumed, and the report was ordered tote brought up to.morrow. REFORM.. Tho LORD CHANCELLOR presented a petition from Invei ness in favour of the Reform Bill. Lord HOLLAND presented a similar petition from Deptford in Kent. The petition was signed by 1,300 persons in a very short time. The Earl of HARROWBY did not rise to give any opposition to the two petitions in favour of the Bill. He was rather glad to see them, as they proved that the people who signed these peti tions, did not consider that the late decision of their Lordships shut the door against alt Reform. Ihe arguments he had thought it his duty to use, and the opinions he had expressed on the Bill, were not to be interrupted as if he entertained smti tnents contrary to every change in the House of Commons. The rejection of the Bill seemed to him, as had been already stated by the Noble Earl, to be the fair result the decision of that House, combined with the faults of the Bill, as had been 'explained by Ilia Noble Friend. If the result of the latediscussion should make it appear probable that the opinion of the House of Lords was tipposed to all Reform, if Reform were not confined to that Bill, he Oar one was not included in such an opinion. Standing, as he slid, perhaps more completely unconnected with other individuals than could well be expected of a man deeply engaged as he had been in public business, he was at liberty to express his opinion without committingany individual of their Lordships' House, or implicating any other person, in the sentiments he had already stated. He should always feel averse from an y change in the Consti tution unless that change was desired by the greater part of the wealth ' s , and respectable portion of the community ; so that the , :i'overnment, by not granting it, would lose part of its strength tsral efficiency to provide for the happiness and prosperity of the reverned. If it lost the confidence of the people, a changemight be necessary ; but except under such circumstances a change was to be avoided. Believing that such circumstances now existed in this country, he for one had oppoied the late proposed change, because that went much further than he could sanction. He took the liberty of stating that, but not with am view of extinguishingall Reform ; and he should be ready to listen to any proposition which went to provide for the different interests of the community. He thought It was desirable, for the good of the country, that the representation should be extended. He would not either be niggardly in extending it. He would not object to extend it, by giving more Members to - prosperous counties and towns, and he should not object to extend the con stituency of counties. He should be ready also to meet that ex tension to cut off other Members to make room for the new ones; he would cut off what he conceived to be decayed boroughs, both as to population and wealth. He objected, indeed, to adopt ing all general principles, but he would diminish or curtail the Members of such places as were least considerable for wealth and population. He would not fix any precise limit, either of population or wealth, but having settleda limit to the increase he would let that be the limit to the decrease. He should object to disfranchising in the first instance. He would not propose any particular right of voting as he had explained in his speech. He approved of the limitations adopted as to counties, so as to dimi nish the expellee of jobbing. He should object to taking popu lation alone as the basis of representation, or the test of disfran chisement. .He objected to the Bill that it disfranchised, with out any corruption having been proved, one hundred and fifty boroughs, and deprived them of their rights. lie objected also to the uniform right of voting, and he objected to the test of qualification which had been chosen for voters as much too low, and as conferring the right on parties who would be exposed to bribery. In stating these objections, he had thought it his duty to explain the part he had taken ; it was a matter of little im portance, perhaps, to their Lordships, but it was of some im portance to him to save himself from misrepresentation. The Earl of' HADDINGTON concurred in 'every thing the Noble Earl had stated ; and whenever any measure was brought before their Lordships on the principles stated by his Noble Friend, he should be ready to give it his best consideration. • Lord HOLLAND, in justice to the petitioners whose petition he had presented, was bound to state, that they prayed not for Reform in general, but for the particular Bill, the consideration of which their Lordships had postponed. He had great. pleasure in stating, that he agreed with the conclusion of the Noble Earl, that the discussion on this measure was not concluded, but only postponed. He hoped that a measure not less efficient would become the law of the land. If the petition proved any thing, it proved that the petitioners wereanxious to have that Bill which their Lordships had postponed; and which, according to the regular course or proceedings, they would hereafter revise. The LORD CHANCELLOR expressed his satisfaction at hearing the opinions of the Noble Earl. The Noble Earl would extend the representation to great towns, and in populous coun ties : and lie would cut off rotten boroughs, to make room for representatives for Manchester and Birmingham. He would not, however, enter into the subject of the Bill which had been post poned • he would only say, that the petition he presented being fromlnverness, where the proceedings of their Lordships on Saturday could not be known time enough for the people there to send up this petition, it proved nothing but the desire of the petitioners for Reform. Pe'itioiis laid upon the table. The Irish Embankments' Bill was read a third time. The Irish Anns Bill went through a Committee, as did the Consolidated Fund Bill. SCOTCH COURT OF SESSION BILL The LORD CHANCELLOR explained, that he had inquired and found no inconvenience would arise from the delaying the_ fkhotch Coutt of Session Bill till the next Session, as the proro gation could not be a very long one. He should therefore pro pose to take no further steps at present. Lord WYNFORD wished their Lordships to examine and de cide the question then. He contended that the Court of Session ought to have complied with the order of the House. It was pre sumptuous in that Court not to have done so. He knew, and that was the opinion of his Noble and Learned Friend not then in the House, that their Lordships might, by the orders of their own House, re-bear any cause without having recourse to an Act of Parliament ; but at the same time it was his opinion, that their Lordships ought not to re-hear any cause, for it was much better th a t injustice should be done in one case, than that the whole rules should be reversed or unsettled of their Lord. ships' judgments, so that nobody could know when his property was safe. The Noble Lord contended at sortie length, that the judgment he had pronounced in the case, or rather advised their Lordships to give, was perfectly correct, and ought to have been carried into effect. The LORD CHANCELLOR defended the Court of Session from the attack of his Noble and Learned Friend, as he was un. able to trace that that Court had slighted the House of Lords in any way; on the contrary, an the documents that he had seen w ere worded in this most respectful way. If upon the subject merely been a clerical rt-lied Friend, that their Lordships had the question before under - error, he should agree with his Noble and this % E r ;ti ge r ti e f a y me it was quite competent for the h t i r m .Lo th rc a i t sni the 1111, take ; but it did not appear to that head. term he had used Lord WYNFORD observed, that the was a technical error. might The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that however that be, they were bound to be very cautious how they altered any thing in the judgment and for.this cause that Court was a final one; and if once th e y admitted alterations, there would be no knowing where it was to stop. Under all thecircem stances of the case, and after the speech of his Noble and Learned • ofill at t at h Friend, he should not press the second reading the a l ti ll but would take leave to look further into the particulars of the case ; for he should feel bound, for his own Satisfaction, to examine tor hin4eltwhat the precedents were. he should there fore move that the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Bill be discharged...a-Agreed to.! The House then adjourned at Half past Seven. ROUSE OF COMMONS, OCTOBER 13. The Members carne &WU very slowly, and it Was not until the very last motnent that a sufficient number made their ntigeatance to constitute a douse. YEOMANRY. Mr. LASiIIERT and Mr. WALkta presented several petitions from parishes in the county of Wexford, and other parts of lrcl laud, praying that the yeomanry might be disembodied. BEER BILL. M. LITTLETON preTe7;iCZla7Veailiffi from the inhabitants of Newcastle-under,Lyne, preiyink that beer might not be sold on Sundays, during tht time of divine service. Mr. WILKS presented a petition Trom a person of the name of Them as Rogers, against the Bill relative to the sale of b^t'tg and praying that houses opened for the sale of beer, might be allowed to remain open as long as the houses orliUifsed victuallers. BkxgFiT goelEvEs. Mr. WILES p . reieicta a. petition trim the members of a Friendly Society, Birmingham, praying for an amendment in the leas tee sting Benefit Societies. ASSESSED TAXES AND PROPERTY TAX. Mr. HUNT gave notice that early in the next tessldn of Par liament he would submit to the Haute a pi - OpoSitioil fot the peal of the Assessed Taxes, abd for the substitution of a fabdilied Property Tax. • . IRISH NO/14 _ Sir J, NEWPORT galie nOtiee that early in the next Session he would brit* faiWar'd a illation relative to the state of the Poor in IrelaYld. PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. HOLMES presented to the Howe a • petition from Air.. struther, against the Reform Bill; and anothq pttltioh from certain farmers in Staffordshire,, prayie.g nit they might be allowed to vote at the elettin a Members embers of Parliament. MOLASSES. Mn HO pi!elehled a petition from Wigton, against the uto ormpiovl 111 distilleries. Loyd CAVENDISH presented a petitiOn from Stokesley, against the General Registration Act. Mr. H. GRATTAN presented a petition against the Irish yeomanry, from a parish of Kildalky, in the county of Muth. Mr. HUME presented petitions tkOrq the hoer retailers of London and Wolverhampton, against the proposed olteration in the Beer Bill. ,THE E UEEN'S CHAMBERLAIN. Mr. Ajri.E - voR, seeing the Noble Paymaster in his place, rose fbr the purpose of asking a question. He had been informed tat a Noble Earl bad been dispossessed of his situation as Cham berlain to her Majesty in consequence of his vote on the Reform Bill in another House. He believed that appointments in the Queen's Household had always been held apart from all politicii feeling, and it was a memorable fact, that during the Grenville Administration, Lord. Wildegrave, the Queen's Chamberlain. voted against the meashres of the Government. He had been informed, too, that Earl Howe had tendered his resignation some days previous to the division on the Bill, stating that he would feel it his duty to vote against it. Why it was not received then, and had been received, since, it was not for him to say. The Noble Earl had been-then solicited to remain, and yet, as soon as he gave his consent, he was somewhat unceremoniously dis. missed. In short, he considered the circumstances of the affair were of a nature which demanded explanation, both as regarded the House and the country. Mr. SPEAKER asked if the Hon. Member proposed to con. elude with any motion ? _ •••••••••.. WV •••• • •••-••••,..... • Mr. A. TREVOR said he did not; he only wished to put a question. Mr. SPEAKER suggested that he should put his question spe cifically, and not raise any argument on it. Mr. A. TREVOR then asked if Earl Howe had not been dis missed from his situation of Chamberlain to the Queen since his vote on the Reform Bill ? Lord .1 RUSSELL said, in answer to the Hon. Member, that, as far as he was informed, the Noble Earl had tendered his re signation since his vote on the Reform Bill, and that resignation had been accepted. NEW WRIT. On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL, a new writ was ordered for the return of a Knight for the Shire of Cambridge in the room of Sir F. Osborne, who has accepted the office of Steward of the Chiltern Hundreds. POLAND. Colonel EVANS moved " An address for such information (as early as pending negociations ,may admit) as his Majesty and his Allies shall have obtained from the accredited agents of Rus sia on one hand, and of the Government of Poland on the other, concerning the war between these States; also, in reference to the mediation solicited by the Poles at the hands of his Majesty; and, concerning the proposition made by the French to the Bri tish Government to accede to measures of mediation in conjunc• tion, for putting an end to this contest, in virtue of being parties to the Congress which guaranteed the national and constitutional rights of Poland." Lord ALTHORP could not conceive what possible object the Hon. Member could have in moving for information on such a variety of topics. He objected to the motion, besides, as likely to produce inconvenience and mischief with respect the ne gociations then pending, and as affecting the conduct of several States, and the relations at present subsisting between Poland and Russia. --- Colonel EVAN•S postpone d his motion to next session. • PORTUGAL Mr. P. COURTENAY telt obliged, in the present state of the session and of the House, to postpone his motion respecting Por tugal. To-morrow night, however, he would ask some questions upon the subject. REFUSAL TO PAY RATES. Mr. Rs TREVOR called the attention of the House to an Advertisement in the Times of the 7th of this month. The ad vertisement was of a most contemptible kind, and he should treat it with great contempt. It was In these terms :—" That this Committee acknowledges with the utmost gratitude the exer tions of his Majesty's Ministers in favour of the Bill for the bet ter regulation of Vestries, &c. now before Parliament ; and as the success of that excellent measure is no longer doubtful, it is the opinion of this Committee that the meeting of the inhabitant householders of this parish, for the purpose of taking into consi deration thepropriety of withholding the payment of all parochial rates under the Select Vestry system, as advertised in the nines, Morning Chronicle Morning Herald, and Morning Advertiser on the 23d orSeptember la t, should be po,t poned, and in the mean time the Committee recom mended to the householders not to uphold the payment of such of the rates as may have become due." If these things were suffered it would be impossible that that House, or any - other, should exist as a deliberative assembly, for they would always be dictated to by any tumultuous body of persons. He trusted that these things would be put a stop to, for such adver. tisements were most unjustifiable. The Hon. Member having made some further observations, then moved a resolution— " That the course adopted by certain persons in the parish of St. James's, Westminster, in holding out a threat of withholding the payment of taxes, is a glaring violation of the privileges of Parliament—a most improper attempt to intimidate the Members of that House from doing their duty—mischievous in its exam ple, and likely to be pernicious in its effects." Mr. HUME was rather astonished that an Hon. Gentleman who professed to treat such a matter as only deserving of con tempt, should yet think it necessary to bring the proceeding be fore that House.--(Hear, hear.) He differed from the Hon. Member in his opinion of what attention was due to the pro ceedings of parishes. It might be safe to assume such a tone towards a meeting of only one or two hundred men, but when a parish consisting of one hundred and fifty thousand people came to a certain resolution upon any matter under their considera tion, to say that they were to be treated with contempt, did ap pear to him to be riding the high horse with a witness. During the last five years the people had been complaining of Select Vestries, as they complained of the want of Parliamentary Re form, and their complaints ought to be attended to. As to this motion he thought it was unworthy the time of the House.— (Hear, tear.) What was the effect of this advertisement ? The Hon Member did not seem to know what he was bringing before the House. The people of St. James's only said that they had threatened what the people of Marylebone had actually done. He trusted that these measures adopted by the parishes would, however, be no longer necessary, for that a disposition was shown to meet their wishes, but lie must deny that what had been re solved on by them was illegal. s Mr. J. CAMPBELL agreed with the Hon. Member for Mid dlesex, that this subject was not worthy of occupying the time of Parliament, but he must disagree with him as to the legality of the resolutions adopted at these meetings. While the select vestries existed, they were warranted by the law of the land, and the rates which they levied ought to be paid. These parishes set a bad example of combinations to place themselves above the law. Mr. HUME said, that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, in his idea of right, was quite wrong. There were two modes of satisfying the law; the inhabitants were bound to pay in money or in goods. If a man did not choose to pay in money, but was rather determined, like the Quakers, to pay in goods, he might do so—there was nothing illegal in his suffering his goods to be taken in payment. Mr. JAMES GORDON sa'd, the course defended by the Hon. Member for Middlesex was a bad example to all people. Sir J. CAM HOBHOUSE said, that the parish of St. James was of course much flattered by the notice bestowed upon them by the Hon. Member opposite ; but he had really thrown away much good Indignation in getting angry with them.—(A laugh.) Why if the .advertisement were so bad as the Hon. Member seemed to consider it, the proper person to be punished was the compositor, who should be called to the bar for a misprint.—( A laugh.) The advertisement, so far from recommending the non. payment of taxes, actually recommended the payment of them, and postponed indefinitely a meeting that had been advertised to be held for a different purpose. The Hon. Baronet here read the advertisement, and observed, that in the Times the words were misprinted thus, not to uphold the payment" instead of " not to withhold the payment." Mr. It. TREVOR said, the part of the advertisement he ob jected to, was that which said that " as the success of the measure was no longer doubtful," the parishioners were recommended not to withhold the payment of the rates, as if they would have been justified in doing so, had the measure not been 1 kely to be successful. Sir J. CAM HOBHOUSE said that if the advertisement went to recommend the people not to refuse the payment of taxes, he hardly knew what the Hon. Member had to complain of. The meeting was, in fact, convened for that purpose; and there pre ' sided at it a gentleman named Motile, of high professional cha racter and ability—(Hear, hear)—who had taken that means in order to divert the parishioners from adopting the other course, of which he had heard rumours. . . 111r...jAMES GORDON, in explanation, thought the motion had been respecting a positive resolution taken in the parish. Mr. C. FERGUSSON asserted that the refusal to pay. rates was illegal—ft was, in fact, a high misdemeanour—it was a most dangerous practice to resort to—it was subversive of all the principles of Government, and, if persisted in, might be destruc tive of society itself.—(A stranger in the gallery, on hearing this, cried out " Bravo." He was immediately taken into custody.) If that principle should be acted on, it would be necessary for the Government to use the power of the law, and enforce payment. Mr. ROBINSON was surprised that the House should have /heir time occupied by such a sul ject The meeting referred to in the advertisement did nothing, and yet the Hon. Member now called on the House for a resolution as to the object of a meeting after that meeting had been indefinitely postponed, and he asked the House to declare that that which might have been proposed had the meeting not been postponed, was calculated to intimidate Members of that House from doing their duty.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. HUNT said.that.the recommendation to refuse payment of taxes was the recommendation of the public Press, and now appeared to be sanctioned by the Hon. Member for Middlesex.— .He read a letter from. Bath, in which the - writer said he was afraid to distrain for taxes. • Mr. HUME had .nothing to do with Bath. Mr. HUNT answered, that the recommendations of the Hon. Member given in parish meetings had to do with Bath. The question was whether 150,000 men were to be allowed to meet together and come to such a resolution as this. The proposition was not a Radical proposition—the Radicals never had resolved not to pay taxes—it was a.Whig proposition,—it came in with the Bill, the Whig Bill that the Radicals never would be satisfied with. Somebody had forged his name to a letter, written for the purpose of carrying this scheme of refusing to pay taxes into execution. He then accused the Noble Lord (Althorn) of writing a letter which lett the proposal not to pay taxes uncondemned. Mr. C. FERGUSSON had not given the Whigs a drubbing, for he did not agree with the Hon. Member in thinking that they had originated this proposition. The letter of the Noble Lord was an express disapprobation of it. Lord V ALLETORT thought that these measures were to be ascribed to the Whigs. He did not mean to say that if tumults took Place, or resistance to the Government was attempted, the Ministers would not put them down ; he was sure they would, and proposed, must say that he thought much of what was now done but he that that language w.(-isna was th consequence of their language. He knew that it was ti o ir: l l to them ; they had been so long in opposition, direct attacks against the Constitution, lie of their old habits to 117 . implored them to introduce seine safe measure of Refon n n. they would do so, he would, though he crossed the floor alon e , a t once the floor to support them. With respect to the late majority cr in s he House of herds, he thought it most unjustifiable to call the bpi. nion of that majority the whisper of a faation, and he believed that if the Bishops and those Peers who had a direct interest in hot - toughs had been excluded; there would still have been a majo rity against the Bill. The Peers had nothore interest than other men in maintaining abuses. It was too bad to say that the Bill was 'thrown Out from corrupt motives. Mr. O'CONNELL said it, was a most Unfounded charge as ever was made, that it was the intention of the Ministers to indute the people to refuse to pay taxes.—(Hear.) It Wad hot the act of the 'Reforthersit was the act of the Anti-Reformers. It was their vexations ttpposition to the Bill—their opposition to the spirit of the pebple, by delay, by frivolous pretexts, by motions made every hour, every day, and every month, for the purposes of delay. Did they think that the people would bear this for ever P They had endured the delay most patiently, from tlre Certainty, as they hoped, that the measure would be sticeessful after some delay, and now. that hope iVai at ah end, by the foolish and absurd re jeetlon tit Hilt:popular measure. These were the reasons of the popular excitement. Hon. Members talked of the institutions of the country. Were the rotten boroughs the institutions of the country; and was it they who called on the Government to sus, pend the measure, that what the people endured so long they might endure yet longer P He trusted that the .people would soon obtain what they deserved==a full tepresentatibn in that House. The Engl,tsli nation ..had often been c6Mpared to the lion; and if Hod; Mernbeis ttionght that Englishinen were to. tally titardles§ 'Of the maim& in whin their most earnest wishes were rejected, they Would find themselves mistaken—they would find the truth of that expression which they had heard so often, irce Leonum vincla recusantum." He warned them not to put matters to such an extremity. He earnestly hoped that the people would be peaceab'e ; their opponents must be beaten hy that mode of conduct: the people must and roO ti tarry the measure without violating the laer; the people of Ireland had in that manner beaten their oppressors, without a single assault, witifolit breaking a pane of glass, and in spite of the interested opposition and strong party spirit that would have forced them into such measures; they kept the peace if they did not keep their tempers.—(A laugh.) The people of England were perfectly competent to follow that example. He hoped they would not violate the law. He was not surprised that they had shown sotpe degree of warmth at their disappointmeht: What had been the discussions on the Bill F Et ery pact of the Bill, but that in which they Arem hail been the subject of discussion. Three months had been spent in that manner. The opposite party had had their triumph of delay, but it was only a triumph of delay, for the King's Government could bring in the Bill again, and the Anti-Reformers would not have the power to reject it. They had indulged their self-flattery—they had said that the people did not care for the Bill, and that the Bill was destructive to the Constitution; and they had repeated these things *sot ad nauseam. They talked now of this recommendation not to pay taxes amounting to treason. He *Mild tell them that, if this measure was carried, any man might be left to talk high treason as he pleased, for the people of England will totally disregard it; but until it was carried it would be in vain to attempt to strangle their cries of indignation. The people ought to keep within legal bounds. The success of the great measure depended on the people —on their keeping their acts and expressions within the channels of the law, and on their not having recourse to any Violence what, ever. Feeling this, and seeing how utterly improper is the in, troduction of this debate at this moment, he hoped the Ministers would not condescend to give any further answer respecting the letter than that which they had given last night.—(Hear, hear.) Who was to dispute whether it was the whisper of a fac tion that had rejected the Bill ? If the people Were for the Bill, the whisper of a faction must be on the other side,—there could be no faction on both sides,—the faction must be on the one or the other, and if it was disputed that the people were in favour of the Bill, his answer was, that that question would be very shortly settled. The SPEAKER recalled the attention of the House to the real question before it, by reading the motion. Sir C. WETHERELL asked whether, in point of form, he could bring on the motion of which he had given notice, before other notices of motions were disposed of ? The SPEAKER observed, that the practice of the House had been to take the notices of motions in the order in which they stood on the parser ; otherwise the paper would be of no use. Sir C. WETHERELL would not endeavour to break through the ordinary rule, but he apprehended, nevertheless, that he could bring on his motion as an amendment to the proposition already in the hands of the Speaker. Being himself a man, stric tissims Arts, and most anxious for the preservation of order in the House, but especially out of it, he would be the last to be guilty of any breach of it. He saw the sardonic smiles and self satisfactory gestures on the other side, but he disregarded them, as well as the intimations of Members physically sitting on the Opposition side of the House, intellectually with Ministers. One of them had talked of the British lion— Mr. ROBINSON spoke to order ,• but we did not collect thepoint he made, excepting that he called upon the Right Hon. Gentle. man to state what course he intended to pursue. The SPEAKER decided that the Right Hon. Gentleman was not required by any rule of the House to detail in the outset what course he meant to take. Mr. ROBINSON submitted that the Right Hon. Gentleman was out of order, as his speech did not apply to the question be. fore the House. Sir C. WETHERELL had heard of a man with a hand and a glove, but here he saw neither hand nor glove, which was the more extraordinary, as the Honourable Gentleman represented the city of Worcester, famous for its manufacture of manual integuments. The Hon. Member for Kerry had talked of the British lion. He (Sir C. Wetherell) wished to know whether, under the figure of the lion, was to he included the rabble—the lawless multitude—who dragged Noblemen from their carriages, insulted them, and knocked them down ?—(Cheers.) He appealed to English gentlemen, whether the Hon. Member for Kerry was not the only person in the country , who would think of resembling the dastardly attack upon an Irish Noble inn to the magnanimous conduct of the British lion ? He hoped to hear no more of such cowardly attributes, and he believed that it was not dictated by any kindred feeling. It was no part of the character of an Irishman to be a coward; it was no part of the character of an Irishman to head a mob. Upon recollection he must retract that assertion—(Laughter)—but he would add, that it was no part of the character of an Irishman to attack a man who could not defend himself.—(Hear, hear.) Would any Irishman mix himself up with such a base, cowardly, dastardly attack as that in which the British lion, according to the Hon. Member for Kerry, had been so recently concerned?—(No, no, murmurs.) The Hon. Gentleman who had called him to order, was one of those who sat with the Opposition and voted with the Ministers ; lie was one of those whose real presence was in the camp of the enemy ; and by an extraordinary metamorphosis, or metempsychosis, whose intellects and interests were in favour of Ministers. He wished that Hon. Members would sort and arrange themselves properly ; it would prevent many interrup tions ; and it was certainly not according to the courtesy of the House in better and genteeler times than the present. Whether Members had advanced in patriotism, he could not say, but as suredly in gentlemanly feeling and in gentlemanly conduct they had retrograded.—(Cheers.) The amendment with which he should conclude was materially connected with the question be fore the House. There were two subjects well deserving the at tention of Ministers :-1..A treasonable conspiracy to prevent the payment of taxes, with a person concerned in which conspiracy two Members of the Cabinet had corresponded. 2. An attack upon the persons and property of all Peers who had constituted the majority against the Reform Bill. His motion related to an attack upon the property of the Duke of Newcastle. Here be begged to state, in the presence of the King's mute Attorney- General, and for the information of the Hon. Member for Mid dlesex, that a resolution adopted in any place for the refusal of the payment of taxes was illegal, and that if connected with what the law meant by the words, " a general purpose," it was treasonable : to enter into a combination for the non-payment of taxes was a misdemeanour, and if it amounted to a general pur pose it was high treason. At the meeting of 150,000 persons, at Birmingham, with the Chairman of which Noble Lords opposite had corresponded, the resolution was to considerethe propriety of resisting the payment of taxes.—(" No, no," from Lord Althorp.) The resolutions were printed, and the letters of .the Noble Lord were printed, so that it was easy to refer and decide the point, and of this he was convinced, that the letters constituted a parti cipation in the crime. At Nottingham a building belonging to the Duke of Newcastle, though not now inhabited by his family, had been destroyed by fire, and he put it to any man whether that event had occurred from any other cause than that the Duke of Newcastle had voted against the Reform Bill. The Member for Middlesex had called this a trifling affair ; he who magnified into such importance, savings of three farthings, and a penny three farthings ; who, in his last economical speech, had recom mended, for this purpose, that the navy should be fed with bad biscuit and sour pork—had asserted that the burning down of the Castle of Nottingham was a trifle ;—would he say that the crime of arson, connected with the destruction of dumber Hall, would have been a trifle ? The Attorney-General, as Member for Not tingham, might be supposed to be in possession of good informa tion on this subject ; but all he (Sir C. W.) had learnt, established that the Castle and its Noble owner had been assailed personally, only because he had voted against the Reform Bill. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL remarked across the table, that nothing had been done against the person of the Duke of Newcastle. Sir C. WETHERELL did not require to be told that the Duke of Newcastle was in London at the time ; but this he knew, that the Reformers of London were not unmindful of his residence in Portman-square, at the time when the Reformers of Nottingham burnt his Castle there. He should be glad to learn from the mute Attorney-General, if he had recovered his speech, why a Special Commission should not issue on the present occa sion ? Gentlemen might be disposed to treat this subject as lightly as the Hon. Member for Middlesex. The burning of the Duke ofNeweastle's property seemed scarcely worthy the atten tion of Ministers. When he recollected that the Press—to which some ofthe leading Members of Government were under stood to be in the habit of daily contributing—(Cheers)—threat- ened the torch to the property of the opponents of the Bill— when he saw that threat carried into fearful execution—when he saw Cabinet Ministers corresponding on friendly terms with those who conspired to refuse to pay taxes—how could he feel any confidence that an equal protection would be extended to the property of their opponents as to that of their supporters ? He plainly and deliberately avowed that he had no such confi dence. In his opinion, twenty-four hours ought not to be al lowed to elapse before the most vigorous steps were taken to bring the offenders to justice. He publicly asserted, that the due Administration of the law would be egregiously neglected if the Duke of Newcastle were not placed on "the same foot ing of protection as any other individual.—(Hear, hear, from• the Attorney-General.) He was glad that the Right Hon. Gen tleman had recovered his voice sufficiently to be able to cheer; and by hischeer he supposed it was meant to be said that Govern. ment would wait until some of the property of Reforming Noble men—the Marquis of Lansdowne, or the Duke of Devonshire, had been attacked by the populace.---(No, no!) If he did not mean that, perhaps by and by he would venture to break silence so far as to let the House know what was his proposition. He (Sir C. Wetherell) asserted, that for the last six weeks the main object of the Press, of speeches in Parliament, and of speeches out of Parliament, had been to direct the popular vengeance against those who resisted Reform. This he laid down as an undeniable proposition. Perhaps the Noble Member for Northamptonshire (Lord Althorp) had read the speech of his Noble Colleague, de livered at Sheffield, wherein it was said that the Peers created by George the Third, George the Fourth, and later, were those by whom the Reform Bill had been thrown out.. He (Sir Charles Wetherell) hardly knew whether the Spencer Peerage was there included; whether it was o f f e ud a l origin, or whether it lay in medio between the two. Lord Grey had certainly been created by George the Third, and—a mull° fortiori—such Peers as Lords Dinorben, Panmure, and Seagrave were included. None of these were certainly equal in antiquity and in virtue with the Wentworths and Russells. It had been said yesterday, that all these discussions were to be deprecated, and if the At torney-General would give him an assurance that a Special Commission should be issued, he was willing at once to forego them ; but at present he saw no reason to expect that the property of the foes of Ministers would be protected like the moperty of their friends. He had seen qui te enoug h to make him believe that the popular excitement was made use of by Ministers for purposes of their own ; and even this day he had read in the nest spapers a dialogue between the Woolsack and the people, which tended to confirm all his suspicions. It was to have been expected that the Lord Chancellor, the head of the Magistracy, as he called himself, would have told the people that violence must be suppressed—that criminals must be instantly brought to trial—that the strong arm of the law must be out stretched without a moment's delay. Had he so told the people? No, no. The dialogue breathed only the same placid spirit of calmness as the letter of the Noble Lord.—(Cheers.) He in tended to move an amendment to the motion, and he appre hended that he had a right to d o so.—(Murmurs from the Mini sters.) He appealed to the Chair ; he had a right to submit his amendment--(No, no; ye s , yes move, move.) He did not charge Ministers with p romot i ng the attacks already ma d e , but he did charge them with conniving at them. The burning and destruction of property was recommended by the Min_i •sterial Press, and mu ti ny an d treason among t h e arm y was urged in the speeches of the coadjutors of Ministers at Bir mingham, whatever might be said to' the contrary by a me taphysical Paymaster of the Forces. If vigorous measures were not taken, the Duke of Newcastle's would not be the last properti, destroyed ; and he said so, because the Noble Lord at Sheffield had especially pointed. out Lord Wharf (effete who was called a Peer of the other day, and in no re spect equal to the Wentworths and the Russells. A more nits ch ievous speech than that of the Noble Lord's was perhaps never uttered, All he (Sir C, Wetherell) asked, was equal justice to all parties—that the Anti-iteformets should be protectCd as well as the Reformers, .and that the guilty should be speedily tried and condignly punished. Without a Special Commission, March was the earliest date at which any punishment could be in flicted upon such as had been concerned in these scandalous aggressions upon property. warranted bj the political tyranny of the times. As men of lionotit, theretOre, and not as Minis. tens only—as Noblemen and as leaders of a political party, they were bound to protect the property of the Duke of Newcastle.— (Cheers.) From those posthumous cheers, he was quite satisfied that he had virtually carried his motion—that it would not be resisted, and he should therefore submit, as an amendment, " That an humble address be presented to his Majesty, praying that a Special Cdtriniissicin should be lashed With all convenient despatch, ti to the Offenders engaged in the burning and de. struction of Nottingham Castle, and in other outrages and acts of violence in that neighbourhood." The amendment having been seconded, it was read from the Chair. Mr. O'CONNELL hoped it would not be considered pre: sumptuous if he °fibre a ft-W vverds after what had been said by the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir C. Wetherell). That Right Hon. Gentleman had taken upon himself not only to misrepresent, but to lecture him upon three points—First, for sitting on the Opposition side pf the House, when it was honoured with his (Sir C. Wetherell's) Presence also, Not Very long sine., the Right lion. Gentleman had called the Opposition sitle of the House a mountain, and he ought to recollect that he (Mr. O'Connell) had taken his seat upon it long before he (Sir C. Wetherell) had vi sited it. Mahomet had therefore come to the mountain, and not the mountain to Mahomet.—(Cheers and laughter.) Mahomet, too, had exhibited himself on this occasion in one of the most grotesque Of His *otilit-be inspiretljolaraityams.(Much laughter.) Tile sedond Charge against him (Mr, O'Connell) was. a want of gebtility. Of all men, the charge of being ungenteel dame most strangely from the Right Hon. Gentleman.—(Cheers.) In what school of politeness had he taken his degrees ?—(Cheers.) Where was the dancing-master for grown gentlemen, by whose instruc tions he had so much profited ?—(Cheers.)Who was the Right Hon. Gentleman's arbiter elegantiarum I—(Cheers and laugh. ter.) When he talked of gentility. He (Mr. O'Connell) wished retaind him, that as Dr. JohnsOn had said that " The Devil was the first Whig," so Shakspeare had told us that the Devil was the first gentleman— " The Prince of Darkness is a gentleman, Wethcrall his name, and Rotherall." (Continued laughter and cheers.) If he (Mr. O'Connell) re mained near him, he might catch something from him.—(Great laughter.) He had no such allusion. He did not mean his gentry, but his gentility • he was in hopes that he should obtain some little infusion of that accomplished and courteous manner for which the Right Han. Gentleman was so remarkable. He had also accused him (Mr. O'Connell) of having approved of the .base, dastardly, and cowardly attack Made yesterday on an Irish Nobleman. Never was any accusation more unfounded Ante the days of gentility were first invented, and nothing so contrary to what he had said.—(Cheers.) Had he stood the supporter of every akuse, and the determined opponent of every improvement —had he resisted every attempt to facilitate the administration of justice—had he continually laboured to shut out the en. lightenment of modern knowledge from the obscurities of ancient law—hkd he occupied the time sif - the House with a sort of rol licking rhodothantade night after night—(Hear t and laughter)— had it been his habit to make people laugh at him. when he pos. sessed not the wit to make people laugh with him—he might have deservedly been the object of the illiberal attack just made upon him.—(Loud cheering.) In . the speech just addressed to the House, Government were accused of wilfully permitting the disgraceful outrages which had recently taken place. For his part, although he thought that the gallant Nobleman who had been assailed was mistaken in his political opinions, no man could desire more than he did to see the persons brought to justice who had made that atrocious attack. But the orgiinal mo tion before the House referred to certain resolutions of the inha bitants of theparish of St. Pancras; and from that subject they had been turned off to the outrages at Nottingham. Did either of the gentlemen, the Hon. Mover, or the Hon. and Learned Gentleman below him—or did any man imagine that his Ma jesty's Government would hesitate to inquire respecting every such riot or illegal proceeding ? 'What grounds were there for supposing that they would neglect their duty.—(Hear.) Lord ALTHORP—The Hon. and Learned Gentleman.— (" Speak out," from the Opposition.) Is that the manner in which the Hon. Gentleman means to set an example to Hon. Gentle men on this side of the House for their behaviour here. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman charged the Government with acting partially in protecting the persons and property of those who support, and not of those who oppose , them.—(" No, no," from Sir C. Wetherell.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman says " No." Sir C. WETHERELL—What I said was, that I hoped they would not act so —(oh, oh, and hear.) Lord ALMORP—WeII, then, he only insinuated—(Hear) — that because the Duke of Newcastle had voted against the Re form Bill, his Majesty's Government would not protect that Nobleman's property, as they protected the property of those who voted for it.—(Sir C. Wetherell—No.) That was certainly the insinuation; and I could not have thought that it would have been assented to by any other gentleman in that House, if I had not heard it cheered by one other.—(Hear, hear.) But Sir, I will say, that the present Members of Government are as determined as any set of men could be, to maintain the laws and to protect property from outrage: and I should think it hardly necessary to defend myself for one moment from such a charge, or to deny that he was capable of making such a distinction. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman accuses us of conniving at the disturb ances. Does he feel sny thing in his own breast—(Cheers) — which makes him' believe that any gentleman—l will not say employed in his Majesty's service—but mixing in the society of gentlemen, would connive at confusion, bloodshed, and arson.— (Vehement cheering.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman in the commencement of his speech accused my Ncble Friend (the Member for Devonshire) and myself of participating in a treason able misdemeanour. _ Sir C. WETHERELL—I say so again.—(Cheeri.) Lord ALTHORP—Then, Sir, I say, that if he thinks as he says, it is his duty to proceed against us by articles of impeach ment —(Cheers.) He says that we do not intend to give equal protection to those who voted for us and those who voted against us : and then, when we denied that we had so base an intention, he said that he supposed we meant to wait until we saw the House of a Reformer burnt.—(Loud laughter from some Member on the Opposition side, followed by cries of "order," from all parts of the House.) The conduct of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman is so strange, that I am at a loss to know how to apply myself to his observations. I must say, however, that it en tirely takes away from me every feeling of anger.—(Cheers.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman says that he will not perse vere in his motion, if we assure him that we will procure a Special Commission. Now, Sir, I will give him no such assur ance, as that must rest altogether in the discretion of his Ma jesty's Government.—(Cheers.) But of this I will assure him, that the property of every person shall be protected to the utmost extent of the power which the Government constitutionally can make use of—(Cheers)—and I think that we may refer to our former conduct as an earnest of what we will do when occasion may require.—(Hear.) In the last Session the Hon. Gentleman approved of our conduct in sending down a Commission to the districts that had been disturbed.—(Hear.) The fact is, that we did so as soon as we could—as soon as the machinerycould be pre pared. Not a moment was lost.—(Hear.) The Hon. Gentleman has alluded to the speech of a Noble Friend ofmine. But no gentle man who has been in this House for the last three months but must know that I cannot be called upon to answer for the lan guage now attributed to my Noble Friend, who has so frequently been heard to say the very contrary to that which the Hon. Gentlemen now charges him with saying.—(Hear.) A Noble Lord opposite says, that if we would introduce a measure so mo dified as to meet his wishes, he would no longer oppose us. But, Sir, I think that if we were to modify the Reform Bill in any de gree, that would render it less efficient. So far from that being a means of promoting the peace of the country it would have the very contrary effect.—(Hear.) I, at least, never will be a party to any such measure.—(Cheers.) I shall not longer detain the House. I rose to speak upon some observation which had in some degree excited my indignation. That feeling having subsided, I have no disposition to say another word upon the subject.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Mr. GILLON said, that as allusion had been made to the lan guage of the Whig newspapers, he would take the liberty of re ferring to a Tory newspaper, which says, that for principles less revolutionary than those of his Majesty's Ministers a large num ber of men, women, and children had been trampled down by the horses of the yeomanry.—(" Hear, hear," from Mr. Hunt.) lb those gentlemen who charged the Government with having ex cited the people on the subject of Reform he would say, that it was the system of misrule which these gentlemen themselves supported that had led to the inevitable necessity of Reform.— (Hear, hear). - - The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thought that what fell from his Noble Friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was quite t s t t i , e th y c . t G o r e y n , e a r a n t d , s h ) n a e t e t e h , s e a i r y I o use connectionwould, fee w l, tt h fr a o n m y hpi proceedings which might be adopted, that it was not expedient for him to enter into the discussion of any speculative point of law.—(Hear, hear.) With regard to the law on the subject, to which the motion referred, as it had been down in both Houses of Par liament, he did not think that any lawyer, or indeed any well educated man, could have the least doubt. When his Noble Friend said that his Majesty's Government would, use all the power of the laws to protect property, he did not think that it was necessary to carry the discussion further.—(Hear. hear,) With regard to the Special Commission, he did not think that such a measure should be resorted to on every occasion on which an outrage might have 'taken place. When there was occasion for such a departure from the usual course of the adinini stration of the laws—when riots were occurring in many parts of the country—his Noble Friend, the Chancellor of the Ex chequer, came into the Court of King's Bench, and said to him, that the first act of the Government must be to send h im ( the N ill o tt t y was now very nearly restored. — (H - M that b t e r r an fo q r u . ear ) T he force used there tAintgtobrnamey,-Gbeenwearsal)hdapopwyn t t o o as lii t ic e h t e h s e ter H . ou A s s e had been quite sufficient to restore order and to put down vio lence. When the disposition to riot was first manifested the cavalry were absent at Derby, where he was sorry to say, the excesses were much greater than at Nottingham. Before a suf ficient force could be collected in the latter place, the Castle was burnt. But immediately the Magistrates, assisted by the respec table inhabitants, acting as special constables, spppressed the riot; and he thought that a recurrence of the excesses was ex tremely improbable. Sir C. WETHERELL—I am very glad to hear it. The ATTORNEY.GENERAL—The people who perpetrated the outrages had not been taken up, so that if a commission were sent down, there would be no one to be tried. The stragglers who had been taken into custody would be tried at the ensuing Assizes. In the words of a Noble Lord who'had just lett the House, he would implore Hon. Gentlemen not to look back upon what had passed, f.r the sake of reviving topics of exasperation, but to look to such measures as might ensure the future peace of the countrv.—(Cheers.) Mr. GOULBURN concurred in the concluding sentiments of the Hon. and Learned Attorney-General. He would give Go vernment his utmost support in all measures calculated to pre serve the peace of the country. Mr. GORDON though there never had been made, upon any Member of that House, a more revolting attack than that which the Member for Kerry had made upon his Hon. and Learned Friend, the Member for Aldborough. Mr. HUME denied that the language used by his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. O'Connell) in reply to the attack made upon him, was uncalled for or revolting.—(Hear.) Mr. GRATTAN vindicated Ministers from the unfounded at tacks which had been made upon them ; nor did he believe that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman who made those attacks really thought what he said.—(Order, order) If he were seri ous , h e ought to have imp eached the Ministers.—(Cheers.) The Right Hon. Gentleman had said that Irishmen were not cowards. But if he (Sir C. Wetherell) wished to show his courage, he would not single out for his attacks a roan who, he knew, was bound up from resenting them.—(Cheers, and loud cries of " Order.") The SPEAKER was in hopes the Hon. Member would himself have perceived the impropriety of the language he was using without being called to order by the House.—(Hear.) Mr. GRATI'AN had only spoken hypothetically. He had only said if the Hon. and Learned Gentleman really wished to give proof of his courage.--(Order. order.) The SPEAKER trusted that the Hon. Gentleman would per ceive that he should not evade the strict order of the House by n at w on a o s o:he a irnu g gin re ce a n t u e tl r ds e b eb r i e ne a cdm c h otr o oe f h o im r using such an hypothesis.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. GRATTAN thought that the allusion which the Hon. and Learned olow or Lord ißy .a Member hEaNt t m Eh a Le i I Ic e_ ,h t t a o hr og l ue r gi againsts thought t m h e der than his (Mr. Grattan's) hypothesis. He would, however, to be who llyy, unfounded. , • un fair than the attack made upon his Hon. and could Friend. mea sureslde h.ospiehoped that . t H the o calculated BHHouo s ue preserve t sw o Eouwldo usel dept the h et eit propriety o ul public did not think that the Government had resorted to the playing too Much into the hands of the populace.—(Hear.) becoming to speak in such terms of a man who was absent ? He pNoefoacbee Lord , They returning w as t o w t e h ri c et parish of St James's, from which they had set out.—(Hear.) Mr. HUNT thought it. strange,that Ministers had not taken care to secure the incendiaries. lie did not say that they had en. coura,"ed the rioters but the language held out by the Govern ment Press was calculated to encourage outrage.—(Cheers.) Sir C. WETHERELL rose to explain, but after a short con versation with the Speaker, the Attorney-General and Sir John Newport, the Hon. and,Learned Gentleman said :—Then I shall leave the matter as it is. The question was then put upon the amendment, which was lost ; and when the original motion was put, Lord ALTHORP moved the previous question ; typereupon Mr. Trevor withd rewßANKß his motion. UPTCY COURTS' BILL. On the motion of the ATTORNEY.GENERA.L the debate upon the second reading of the Bankruptcy Courts' Bill was re sumed. Mr. G. BANKES wished to know from the lion. and Learned Gentleman opposite whether it was intended to introduce a Bill supplementary to the Bankruptcy Court Bill, and whether it was In contemplation to add a clause giving 2,000/. a year additional retiring salary to the Lord ChanCellat ? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL replied, that there was nil in. tendon of proposing any additional retiring salary to the Great Seal. As to a supplementary Bill, he could not say that any thing had yet been determined on thatpoint. Mr. PEMBERTON, afterdefending the motives of those who opposed the Bill, proceeded to observe, that under it the relief from the expenses of appeals. and the inconveniences and delays to which they give rise, would net be at all felt. The number of appeals and the number of Courts necessary to appeal to could never be materiallydiminished in a civilized country-4n a country not content to submit to the decision of a single, final, and ar bitrary Court. Proceeding from these considerations to the ap pointment of Judges under the new Bill, he observed that it would be a great advantage—one alike agreeable to the profession and calculated to promdte the chief ends for which the Court was established—if those appointments Were chiefly taken from the old lists. He next called the attention of the House to the state and operation of the Vice-Chancellor's Court, contending that it was capable of being made to serve all the purposes which could be desired by tliose who aimed at improvements in the ad ministration of the Bankruptcy Laws—one ground upon which some Hon. Members might doubt the expediency of making such wide and sweeping alterations in a matter in which no clung) was called for by the trading classes of the community. The whole plan and scope of the measure was to create an extensive amount of patronage—not that he imputed that motive to the Noble and Learned Lord who at present held the Great Seal; but such, he would maintain, was the tendency of the measure —it would lead, he affirmed, to a most gross and scandalous system of jobbing, especially as respected the appointment ant remuneration of official assignees, the enactment respecting which he censured in the strongest terms. He entertained the fullest expectation that the Bill would not be carried—an expectation, however, by no means founded upon the state of the benches behind him, or at the opposite side of the House, but from a sense of delicacy in the Lord Chancellor, who could never suffer it to be said that Parliament was kept sitting at a great public inconvenience, in order that a Bill might be passed to confer upon him 26,0001. a year additional patronage, Mr. PEPYS defended the measure in detail, and vindicated the Lord Chancellor from the charge of desiring to increase the patronage, or diminish the labours of his office. As to the ob jections that had been raised to the patronage unavoidably con sequent upon such a measure as that, he confessed he knew not now it could be managed otherwise) for how could new Courts be created without new Judges, and the appointment of those mtist rest in some quarter or other ? The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then went into a detailed examination of that part of the Bill which relates to the appointment of Judges in the room of the Commissioners; and contended that it was an improve ment Which had been contemplated, although not executed, by all the most eminent persons who presided over the Court of Chancery. That regulation which left to the Judges the deci sion of all facts after hearing viva voce evidence, and allowed an appeal to the higher tribunal solely on the question of law, was a change, the advantage of which could not be estimated too highly. After expressing his surprise that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Pemberton) should say that the Vice- Chancellor's Court was adequate to the discharge of all the bank ruptcy business imposed on it, at a moment when it was known that the able and excellent Judge who sat at that Court—than whom there was none more capable of getting through the busi. ness, if it were possible to do so—was compelled to leavea long arrear of petitions unheard, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman concluded, by expressing his conviction, that the suitors of the Court of Chancery would derive important benefits from the changes which the Bill was intended to carry into effect. Mr. Alderman WOOD expressed his surprise that the Hon. and Learned Member (Mr. Pemberton) should say the trading classes of the city of London did not desire this Reform in the Court of Chancery, when it was a fact that a committee of the merchants of the city had been sitting from time to time, for several years, in order to devise some plan which they could re commend to the Government for the improvement of the Chan cery administration of the Bankrupt Laws. He as a mercantile man, might say lie had lost thousands by the present system; but he was convinced that the affairs of bankrupts could never be well administered sinless one person at least well acquainted with trade was placed among the assignees. All the objection that he had heard against the Bill was, that it would increase the Lord Chancellor's patronage. Now, he and the country did not care for that, provided the Bill was a good measure. Mr. SHEIL observed, that all the objection which had been made to the Bill could be obviated in the Committee. All ad mitted abuses to exist; and, therefore, those who did not pro , pose a remedy themselves were bound to adopt that which was now offered to them. Alderman THOMPSON allowed that the existing evil de manded a remedy; but he thought that there were parts of the Bill objectionable, and recommended the adoption of the pro; o sition of the Hon . Member for Bridport, to refer the measure to the consideration of a Select Committee. Mr. BURGE was sure the House must see, from the objec tions of the friends of the measure—to say nothing of its oppo nents—that it was in so imperfect a state, that it was indispen sible that it should undergo the revision a a Select Committee. No one denied theta Reform in the existing system was neces sary. All that the opponents of the Bill maintained was, that it was not calculated to effect that Reform in an advantageous manner. The House then divided— For the motion Against it 3l Majority -76 The Bill then went into Committee. Sir C. WETHERELL then said, that this Bill admitted the principle of the lists of Commissioners, and that the proper re medy for the present defects in the administration of the Bank rupt Law was to reduce the number of the Commissioners ; to make them act on the strict rules of the law of evidence ; and to give them the power of making the opposing parties agree to the facts on which the opinion of the Court above was after wards to be taken with respect to the law. He concluded by moving that all the words relating to the Judges should be left out of the clause. _ Sir H. HA RDINGE took this opportunity (as he was going out of town) to pronounce a high eulogium upon the talents, learning, and industry of Sir C. Wetherell. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL defended the increase on the ground that it was required by the circumstances of the times, and by the ill-working of the old system. Mr. WRANGH AM complained of the patronage the measure threw into the hands of the Lord Chancellor. Mr. J. CAMPBELL said that the Chief Justice and three Puisne Judges were necessary for the satisfactory decision of Bankrupt petitions. Mr. Michael Angelo Taylor, once in this House—and a great authority—(Laughter)—had wished even that three Judges should sit in the Court of Chancery for the better satisfaction of the suitors. Mr. G. BANKES said, that he had authority for saying that Mr. M. Angelo Taylor had never been consulted on this mea sure.—(Laughter.) That Hon. Gentleman had been much sur prised at the little regard Ministers seemed to pay to his opinions. Mr. R. GRANT supported the clause. He thought it was much better to have one or a few Judges having no other busi ness than bankruptcy, than, as at present, to have a great num ber of Judges with whom the business of bankruptcy was a sub ordinate occupation. if the system worked well, as he hoped it would, he had no doubt that every one of the new Judges would be employed. Sir C. WETHERELL said that an order had gone forth from the Woolsack to pass this Bill, but he would not fight under that banner. The Bill was a gross Judicial job—a grosser jut) than had ever been completed by any Chancellor since the days of Wolsey. The House then divided. The numbers were— For the amendment l9 Against it Majority for the original clause —s2 On the re-admission of strangers to the gallery, Sir C. Wethe rell was engaged in a conversation with Mr. Serjeant Wilde ; after which, Lord STORMONT moved that the Chaitman report progress, and ask leave to sit again; which was agreed to. SUGAR REFINERY'BILL. On the motion that the House resolve itself into a Committee on the Sugar Refinery Bill, a conversation ensued, in which Lord A LTHORP, Mr. P. THOMSON, Mr. BURGE, and other Members took part, and which was concluded by Mr. H. HUGHES moving, as an amendment, that the House should then adjourn ,- whereupon the House divided— For the amendment l2 Against it 49 Majority against the amendment —37 The discussion as to the adjournment was immediately re newed, when Lord A LTHORP said, that as Hon. Gentlemen seemed deter mined to persevere in motions for the adjournment of the de bate, he would no, longer object to it. The debate was accordingly postponed; and the other Orders of the lily being disposed ot; the House adjourned at a Quarter. past Three o'clock this morning. THE FUNDS-(ThIS DAY). FOUR 0 CLOCK.—CLOSING PRICES. Consols Bll Danish Ditto for Account 81-a Greek, 1825 l7 Brazilian Bonds.. 43 Mexican, 1825 34 Buenos Ayres; Peruvian Chilian Ditto .... 161 Rti , ,siln 94a Columbian, 1824 Spanish l2l ELECTION OF LORD MAYOR. CLOSE OF THE POLL—THREE O'CLOCK. Lord Mayor Thompaon 377 Laurie l7 Waithman . b The number of coronetted carriages leaving town on Monday was unexampled. On some of the roads relays of post-horses could not be obtained. REFORM BILL.—As soon as the solemni ties of the Sabbath were over, the bells of St. Michael, Spurrier-gate, in this city, rung a dumb peal in conse quence of the universally lamented decision of the House of Lords. A dumb peal was also rung at St. Martin's, Coney-street, yesterday at noon.— York Courant. The anxiety of ;the inhabitants of Edinburgh as to the fate of the Reform Bill, has been manifested in a remarkable manner by the numbers who have daily col lected near the Poet-office at the hour of the arrival of the London mail. The crowds have daily been on the in crease ; and, yesterday there could be no fewer than from five to six thousand persons on the North Bridge, at the Register House, and on the Regent Bridge. The guard not being so communicative as the multitude desired, «as rather roughly treated. When the majority was an nounced, such a general feeling of surprise at its number seemed to have taken possession of those assembled, that little indication of popular excitement took place, always excepting a great noise caused by a large group of boys, who for a considerable time reigned lords paramount of the Post-office lobby. Betwixt eight and ten o'clock last night, a body of these youths, bent on mischief, collected in the neighbourhood of the Tron Church, and annoyed persons passing along the bridges, but were soon dislodged by the police and high constables, not, however, before a number of officers were greatly injured by stones and broken bottles. It is to be regretted that persons of more mature years, who disapprove of such proceedings, should, by their presence, merely to see what is going forward, give countenance to them, and add to the apparent number of the dieorderly.....Edinburgh.Observer. SECOND EDITIO , SUN OFFICE, Seven WO' rim LONDON GAZIO OF THIS EVENING. __,,. DECLARATION OF INSO LVENcI _ , (.6iY WILLIAM MADDOCK, Portsca, Sout haMPOP chant, D. 1 ,0 BANKRUPICY ENLARGE y e s, i FRANCIS WALMSLAY, Parliament-street', eiecco, ';'..!' m J , d O d i S e E P s e x I , I boarding-house-keeper, front OCL IS to Oct, 26, at Court of Commissioners. ..4 BANKRUPTS. and2s, at ten, at the Dona of Commissioners„ , v Lomeard-street. GEORGE BOWER, Chipping Barnet, , t t weivlV draper, Oct. 21, at twelve, :., and Nov. 25, " a ocl ' ' eTorAdAwaiNtNieEr,ll.o, Oct, 24, at R t u t ss w e e l i l e r . e s e t o , l % , ?, Court of Commissioners. Mayhew, Johnston, e Curey-street, Lincoln's-inn. (ha d. WILLIAM COATES St. Martin's-lane, C _.. d. of 29, at one, Nov. 4, and 25, at eleven, at the Du stoners. Cross, Surrey-street, Strand . ' THOMAS DAVENPORT, Quomdon, d ealer, cou nt) , 2, and 25, at twelve, at the King's Arms Inn and , ner by.., Gray's Inn ; or Dubcrly, Durslev, Derby. Smedley, Ely Place, Holborn ;or Jessol 1,4' 0 4? JOHN SPIER, Berkeley,Gloucester spire'c'ester. ~ 25, and Nov. 25, at eleven, at the Ram ' lnn, G l ° l ', ~1 JOHN GILL WEST, Forncett- St peter, . c i% 0 vast' keeper, Oct. 29, 31 at five, and Nov. 25, at tw eb '1:, ' .' Inn, Norwich; !]nthonk, Foster, and Unthan Austin, Gray's-Inn, London. ie OK WILLIAM ROBERT UNDERWOOD, C° ,, a. s ) (;;"• ° ' ' " shire, edge tool manufacturer, Oct. 24, 25, an",,,,ioD r at the Commercial-rooms Bristol. White, Lino., c,;. and Brittan, Bristol. t .,, , ar e .T,C , GEORGE TIDMARSH, Bow-street, Coven , ,tt, i2o b if:n o .lo4c u go, se- tEoo:Honn k i:dNrt e G2i e clFs p :E6 e loo r en:olle o erci c ,;: t.. nvasl 2 El,and l ,7, , o : l s leAure , r talaycdksnille?rirNed:ll,lomß, Yorkshire, oaL.ed::i2.v..fkboslest,trrihriiiiearrdetrciti ,:elievlygiersn:A,t!':feerd,;iciosio,re.,,'edesi,b,c.rilootie at the Commercial-buildings, Leeds, _2 7 , and build Talbert Inn, Bradford. Beverley, Vcrulani•-hu 0 Inn ; Sager, Leeds. t S tr ' n ‘ ' JOSEPH FRANCIS TAYLOR, Cecil.stree t o a t the ,r merchanl, Oct. 25, al nine, and Nov. 1, 25, at ten of Commissioners. Hodgson and Burto n, Strand. Gloucestershir ,orf.io, I M PERIAL PARLIAO THIS EVENING• HOUSE OF LORD s 'fota ill i Petitions were presented by Lord GolOstlc-0 row and Aldborough in favour of the ge . „„, for Lord KING from the Harwich Political " PI " el lie el Repeal of the Taxes on Knowledge. set t d On the motion of the Duke of Ricll3l° r for the Relief awl Employment of the 1 100 r frt si third time and passed. o eti" 014 The LORD CHANCELLOR presented ai be g a person named Richardson, in favour ' ay l ir re; ruptcy Court Bill. He took that opport il°- ; G rei'i a few observations on what bad b ee i;i - so t set ° tive to his motives in introducing this House, but where he would not PP r°' ' Pc charged with bringing in this Bill 10 "V of extending his patronage. He would a nal (t by this Bill he abolished seventy places , , the appointme t of about ten or eleven 11 4 0 ,01 , 1 ;:r appointment of those seventy he was Pe t way but in the appointment of the ten e t would lie under the obligation of strictlF a rule of appointing those persons 0 0 ` 16. „ be; r standing at the Bar. It had been said , the measures of Reform in the 1,0%; I,lo' wishes of his colleagues ; but be i s r i ; o e 'o` v p l Presence of some of those colleagues, an u h for ° ,c ( that every measure that he had yet kar t , - 3 :l l s ee ivr been cordially approved of byall of them• lie pared with Cardinal Wolsey, but he would o r I". that he no more resemble) him in his poLi' i d , 6 ' as charac'er than he did in his religious one. 1 1 7 OP` a t t , ) observe by the Newspapers, that on jOt rr o'l the Bill in another Howie, clauses wer e dt be for compensation, not only to Lord Tburlow loot!, missioners, but to the Lord Chancellor. 11"% c of the intention, of introducing such a cli1: °' 0 1 ,1 n , K ainst his wish--not that he meant that 101; compensated, but he did not wish to clog t . for tb l,ji any such clause, as be felt extremely aoxiorthe cess of the Bill alone, and would leave t of compensation to the Chancellor un t ;', c bo e j Session. He did not, however, c alico; r duc . ,,, he ought to receive compensation, as he 10 1 1 ., jo" 0 4 salary from about 15,000/. to 7,5001, 0 , 6 l et those who might come after him, he ta°ll- bound to ask for compensation. nArto A On the motion of Lord AUCKLA ND, i the --- St. Vinceet's Relief Bill, was read a secon d an and passed. The Galway Franchise Bill, and the 11 ' .-D Ji Bill, were read a third. time and passed. LiFT SITTING.) -- ; 5. HOUSE OF COMILOI‘I orte r Tho SPEAKER took his seat at a Q 0 o'clock. [Her Serene Highness the Duchess of °" -- ,iderr , uite sat in one of the side galleries for a e ° " - 0 1 after the Speaker took his seat.] retort di Colonel SIBTHORPE brought uP t he ,. 4 j 11 Steam Navigation Committee, which wO : v il; 1 1+ to be printed ; and on his motion the ;4 before the Committee was ordered t o he 'a House. , t he ,d Mr. WILKS presented a petition fi l/n cargr a t. Members of the Provident Frit ndlySocietYl`g t)' rave ii u sh ° rt ia u Anff n efo t n t y rei n drn t o i a f a c ag e l ,Bai V ei that i i nsi l usi t s tit P too n t hr e a aye x g n t a :c. oeiosnnenmsdslspeitoorhtssnhailttetihicoAenFncerthuio.eofpnuotdlniludl) Y e st o 7: l ; :;,; ( :t r i ti ti to Juggernaut. O ct ), Mr. Campbell, Mr. Wilks, Sir C. Fo t r ii h ec t i u e l‘lrt.;" guson, Mr. Astell, and Captain G o rdon) " ordered to be printed. THE CANADA& . stfii:irre lli cst r h . aoenf LAßOUCHEßE, pursuant ten ld sent two petitions from the Menbe re ,„ 6 0t , of Assembly in • Lower Canada; in 16tt loni es. atTd : aini e ie p pT e l a i l linnoutn o sr.e f rAe t Agi h ae e crintiiii A ,neagi c .n t dthh p aet a vb s ige :e og ' v l se.eeres i o n tiv ,; :eorot ; to ;f oe t called the earnest attention of his ltiar s , l o pe' o ', to the complaints of the petitioners , O la c iitf; time was not far distant when every 13 ""„ . g sn', be allowed the same degree of freedom 35 th` internal management as was possessed con ntry.—( Hear. o th e , Lord HOWICK agreed that tosnY , boor had been well founded, and said ti'";01 0 " . tlf Government were of opinion that the o",itt,, Lower Canada ought to be intrusge" ' mestic and local concerns of that roll t he I tt r , Lord enumerated the complaints stated l o r lo t ve' some of which he stated were not correc t ' - - tad ,j o r .c able to his Majesty's Government ; otheotrocvy medied, and as regarded the remainderti:e (P t IV, been sent nut to the Governor, so tha t t with ° o o eti' be placed in the situation of legislating cofer cessity of applying at all times to * th e home. —ear, ear. 0 1$ °/401' After a (H few word ) s from Mr. It° t itio o GORDON, and Sir J. Maccurrositt th e P' 010 ioo` and ordered to be printed. t be . On the motion of Mr. S. RICE , -- se d• the Lind) Bill w as r ea d a thi r d time an d po or t m o od Mr. R. GORDON brought up the u re s P o s ° r mittee on Buckingham Pal see, n' wit' printed. .° rei' Mr. HUME rose to present 01°,11 ° 0)0 /1t ) Clergy Reserved Lands, and the King o rl; Canada agreed to a pu bli c meeting at Ir tipre' by upwards of 10,000 freeholders P. _ p DORSET ELECTION.--ITWEEAi''' ri' m Oa l ORCIIESTER, T-- g • c i g as o' The polling to-day has been as laqu a l , ho; r c ..l,o l f than seven or eight votes are tendered 17 :01 0 6014 STATE OF THE POLL Aj "YF,s roil. 14 , 0 Lord Ashley... ....................... Mr. Ponsonby ........................ I° Majority for Lord Ashley... _ed to Ten votes for Mr. Ponsonby were eferr_,jous ~or, two votes for Lord Ashley. On the prc,;, Assei'dcrr votes for Mr. Ponsonuy were referred t . a c oil votes for Lord Ashley. Mr. Ponsonby rity of votes before the Assessor. tiej! ...._..---------------------____ . 000. v w BiirrnS t . he Re t ol' On the 11th inst. at Eaton -place , - _ . in, of,fsoo of a SOIL . 0 0 n n the the 71t2hthininsts.t.aattwEasesttoSnheg,u,benot(10, of ii Mr. W. B. Diamond, of a datle , g • H o dges, On the 9th inst. the lady of De G. ~ Of of a daughter.solo TIRIED• v CoivfPlO On the Bth inst. a Wapl‘ritAiloigifi,eDel:initAimi, Ails Cowie, of the Foreign Fob - _____i ng slaughter of Mr. J. A. Blal."_111_. PRINT ' ,nv SOO LD AND PUBLISHED BY ht I/ ItDO SUN OFFICE, 112, STRAND, 1,0r49 'rH V Nt:Alt„ NO ON froth ti u pon Tu n P 4 descent Walb r WA e xeee , b aktr u 4( Correc ted edit or cl t; ( 2o st ~1 10 1 Ch tire tnfitt s a u ght Pt , it a ° I t( N . does ab o , hYtvh. the 11 . 1 - 115, TA' w d ver . l of the,le:sen 11 °Y ' a r l ts bAlr . ' m a Che C l lll 1 1 3- b:?pri et :, 1' la in • , .10w, 1 1. 4 4 1: d °r44 04 e4 4 Reoi, c kat e , Wi, o rda n ain kg . A ' 34 ort ° Perio,