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I, ,c `1 ting to your ~ 7 ,,.ajesty tb; c, n a nc h ig, indispensable necessity of effectuallv di s count in the whole of the in terval, all attmpts to make use of your Majesty's name, or t.o influence the opinion of any individual, or descr:ptio ns o f men, on any part of this subject. B.—THE KING'S ANSWER TO A. (lett Housx, nts. IST, 1801. I should not do justice to the warm impulse of my heart, if I entered on the subject most unpleasant to my mind, without first expressing, that the cordial affection I have for Mr. Pitt, as well as high opinion of his talents and integrity, greatly add to my unea siness on this occasion 3 • but a sense of religious as well as political duty has made me, from the moment I mounted the Throne, consider the Oath that the 'Wisdom of our forefathers has enjoined the Kings of this realm to take at their coronation, and enforced by the obligation of instantly following it in the course of the ceremony with taking the Sacrament, as so binding a relicous obligation on me to main tain the fundauvental maxims on which our Consti tution is plated, namely, the Church of England being the Established one, and that those who hold empiv;yments in the State must be members of it, and consequently obliged not only to take oaths against Popery, but receive the. Holy. Communion agreeably to the rites of the Church of England. This principle of duty must, therefore, prevent me from discussing any proposition tending to de stroy this ground-work of our happy Constitution, and much more so that now mentioned by Mr. Pitt, which is no less than the complete overthrow of the whole fabric. When the Irish Propositions were transmitted to me by a joint Message from both Houses of the British Parliament, I told the Lords and Gentlemen sent on that occasion, that I would with pleasure and without. delay fOrward_ them to Ireland; but that, as individuals, I tOuld not help acquainting them, that my inclination to an Union with Ireland was principally _Pounded on a trusty that the uniting the Established Churches of the two kingdoms would for ever shut the door to any further measures with r'.:speet to the Raman Catholics. rnese two instances must show Mr. Pitt, that my opinions are not those formed on the moment, but such as I have imbibed for forty years, and from which I never can depart ; but, Mr. Pitt once ac quainted with my sentiments, his assuring me that he will stave off the only question whereon I fear from his letter we can never agree,—for the advan tage and comfort of continuing to have his advice and exertions in public affairs, I will certainly abstain from talking on this subject, which is the one nearest my heart. cannot help, if others pretend to guess at my opinions, which I have never dis guised; but if those who unfortunately differ with me will keel:, this subject at rest, I will, on my part, most ontrr.lctly on my part, be silent also; but this restraint I shall put on myself from affection for Mr. Pitt., but further I cannot go, for I cannot sacrifice my, duty to any consideration. Though I do not pretend to have the power of changing Mr. Pitt's opinion, when thus unfortu nately fixed, yet I shall hope a sense of duty will prevent his retiring from his present situation to the end of my life, for I can with great truth assert, that I shall, from public and private e':;nsiderations, feel great regret, if I shall ever fa:el myself obliged., at any time, from a sense of re li g i ous an d po li tical duty, to yield to his intr‘raies of retiring from his seat at the Board of 7.:reasury, C.—MR. PITT, IN REPLY. Dowting-street, Tuesday, Feb. 3, 1801. Mr. Pitt cannot help intreating your Majesty's permission to express how very sincerely he is pene trated with the affecting expressions of your Ma jesty's kindness and,goodness to himself, on the occa sionof the communication with which he has been under the necessity of troubling your Majesty. !t is, therefore, with additional pain he feels himself bound to state, that the final decision which your Majesty has formed on the great subject in question (the motives to which he respects and honours), and his own unalterable sense of the line which public duty requires from him, must make him con sider the moment as now arrived, when, on the prin ciples which he has already explained, it must be his first wish to. be released, as soon as possible, from 'his present situation. He certainly retains tho same anxious desire, in the time and Mode of quitting it, to consult, as much as possible, your Majesty's ease and convenience, and to avoid em barrassment. But he must frankly confess to your Majesty, that the difficulty even of his tefnpo rary continuance must necessarily be increased, and may very shortly become insuperable, from what he conceives to be the import of one passage in your Majesty's note, which hardly leaves him room to hope that your Majesty thinks those steps can be taken for effectually discountenancing all attempts to make use of your Majesty's name, or to influence opinions on this subject, which he has ventured to represent: as indispensably necessary during any in terval in which he might remain in office. He has, however, the less anxiety in laying this sentiment before your Majesty, because, independent of it, he is more and more convinced that your Majesty's final decision is once taken, the sooner he is allowed to act upon it, the better it will be for his Majesty's service. He trusts, and sincerely believes, that your Majesty cannot find any long delay necessary for forming an arrangement for conducting your service with credit and advantage; and that, on the other hand, the feebleness and uncertainty, which is al most inseparable from a temporary Government, must soon produce an effect, both at home and abroad, which might lead to serious inconvenience. Mr. Pitt trusts your Majesty will believe, that a sincere anxiety for the future ease and strength of your Government is one stro. - „ig motive for his pre suming thus to press this consideration. D.—THE T .nING'S ANSWER TO C. Queen's House, Feb. 5, 1801. The box cram Mr. Pitt containing two letters, and a wa , FraLit in f avour o f M r . L ong . I canno t h ave th e sm'2.tiest difficulty in signing the proposed warrant, as I think him a very valuable man, and know how much Mr. Pitt esteems him. I had flattered myself that, on the strong assur ance I gave Mr. Pitt, of keeping perfectly silent on the subject whereon we entirely differ, provided on his part,hekept off from any disquisition on it fur the pre sent, which was the main object of the letter I wrote to him on Sunday, we both understood our present line of conduct; but as I unfortunately find Mr. Pitt eires not draw the same conclusion, I must come to the unpleasant decision, as it will deprive me of his political service, of acquainting him, that, rather than forego what I look on as my duty, I will, with out unnecessary delay, attempt to make the most creditable arrangement, and such as Mr. Pitt will think most to the advantage of my service, az well as to the security of the public; but he must not be surprised, if I cannot fix how soon that can possi bly be done, though he may rest assured that it shall be done with as much expedition as so difficult a subject will admit. G. R. E.-THE LATE DUKE OF YORK TO HIS LATE MAJESTY. York-House, Fels. 13, 1801. SIR-I have the honour to return your Majesty the Papers which you were graciously pleased to allow me to peruse. If my sentiments upon the Question of Catholic Emancipation, and of the Repeal of the Test Act, had not been already immutably fixed, the argu ments adduced in favour of the measure would alone have been sufficient to have convinced me of the danger, if not of the absolutexertainty of the dread ful consequences of its being carried into execution. I have the honour to be, Sir, Your Majesty's most dutiful son and subject, FREDERICK. Sir Robert and Lady Wigrani entertained numerous parties to dinner yesterday and on Sunday, at their residence in Connaught-place. Mr. and Mrs. Wilmot Horton gave a grand dinner on Saturday, at their residence on Rich mond-terrace. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, JuNz 11. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool sack at five o'clock. Sir ALEXANDER. GRANT and others, brought up the Bill for regulating the mode of taking the averages of British Corn ; the Bill for carrying into effect certain treaties respecting the Slave Trade ; the Bill for preventing the Malicious Destruction of Houses in Ireland ; and the Clerkships' Enrolment Bill. Mr. PEEL and others brought up Miss Turner's Di vorce Bill. The Earl of LAUDERDALE moved for certain Returns connected with the state of the Funded and Unfunded Debt for the last three years. After a conversation between Lord TENTERDEN and Lord LAUDERDALE, it was arranged that the former Noble and Learned Lord should move, on Wednesday next, the second reading of the five Bills seut up from the Commons, connected with the Administration of Justice and the Criminal Cf:de. Lord GODERICH moved that the second reading of the Bill for taking the average prices of British Corn, should be on Thursday next. • Lord MALMESBURY moved that the average prices of British corn in the different counties and districts in Eng land, for the six weeks preceding the first of June, be pre sented to the House. PENRYN DISFRANCHISING BILL. The Earl of CARNARVON stated, that before he mov ed the second reading of this Bill, he wished to move the House to send a Message to the Commons for the evidence taken there upon the Bill during its progress there. Lord FARNHAM strongly doubted whether this House ought to proceed upon such an important subject as the disfranchisement of a borough upon evidence which bad not been sworn to. The Earl of CARNARVON did not wish the House to proceed upon the evidence which had been taken before the House of Commons, but he thought it might be convenient for their Lordships to be possessed of the evidence upon which the other House passed the bill. Lord LAUDERDALE said, that as that evidence was not given on oath, he did not consider it would be of the slightest use. Lord HARDWICKE believed it had been taken on oath. Lord LAUDERDALE felt satisfied that it had not, and therefore, should it ever be laid on their Lordships' table he, for one, would treat it as a nullity. Lord ELLENBOROUGH apprehended that it was merely wished to have this evidence for the purpose of comparing the statements of the witnesses in the two Houses. The Earl of CARNARVON said it was, and therefore he now moved that a Message should be sent for that evidence, intimating that he should afterwards move that the evi dence be printed. CHANDOS LEIGH'S PEERAGE. Lord REDESDALE wished to have an early day ap pointed for the hearing of this Appeal. Lord LANSDOWN also stated, that he knew Mr. Leigh was exceedingly anxious to have the subject before 'the House. The LORD CHANCELLOR az:reed with the Noble Lords as to the propriety 01 having this subject brought before the House, bat he happened to know, from having the subject before him whilst Attorney Gene ral, that it would take at least many days in in vestigating, that it was a subject that required to be gone through with when once begun, and he was sure that the attention it woiAld require could not be given to it during the present Session ; therefore, he reeoin =Tided their Lordships to ellow the subject to stand over 'till after Parliament met again. SUPPLY OF WATER THE METROPOLIS. Lord WHIRNCLIFFE presented a petition from the 'Grand Junction Waterworks Company, stating that the Company had been labouring under aspersions for months past ; that a complaint had been made to this House respect ing them ; that the professional opinions given in support of that opinion were erroneous and hasty; that the Com pany were prepared to prove, .•corn analyses made by the most experienced chemists, that -. .he water the . ; supplied the metropolis with was of the hest and most wholesome quality ; that the 'aports circulated respecting the quality of the water, were most prejudicial to them and to the public ; that they by no means wished to defeat any inquiry the House might be pleased to adopt, but prayed that that inquiry might be exe cuted without the least possible delay. The Noble Lord stated, that for a long time past, the greater part of the metropolis had been supplied from the Thames, and that serious complaints had been made against the supply made by the Grand Junction Water-works' Com pany. That he himself had seen samples of it, some of which contained animals, and others contained almost all sorts of impurity. He had been told that on the north side of the Thames, from Battersea bridge to the Tower, there were no less than ninety sewers, all of which were washed at the flowing of every tide : therefore, he considered that water pumped out of such a place could not be very pure.— This was a subject of great misfortune to the metropolis ; And, without saying that any blame attached to the Company, complaints having been made ag:inst them, be certainly did consider that an examination would be made into the purity and wholesomeness of the water they supplied, and next into the terms on whi( i it was furnished. The Company, themselves, did not jest to the inquiry, and therefore, the only question was, in what way the inquiry should be made. For his own part, he thought an inquiry under a commission from his Majesty would he the best mode. Earl GROSVENOR complained, that three Water Companies had joined and divided the Metropolis between them. He supported the motion. Lord LAUDERDALE thought that the appointment of a commisasion should, in the first instance take place, and that the House should then act on the report made by the commission. He thought it was a breach of faith on the part of the companies to divide the metropolis between them. Such a proceeding was not contemplated when the Act of Parliament was granted, and perhaps the House would be justified in retracing its steps, in order to prevent a continuation of the present system. The Companies came separately before Parliament, and had most egregiously deceived it if they then contemplated what they have since carried into effect. They were, in fact, established by Parliament, for the purpose of causing competition, and though there was no clause in the Bill to prevent a coalition, it was at the time distinctly understood that none should take place. For the future he thought that every such Bill should contain a Clause declaring that companies acting in such a disgraceful manner should forfeit their privileges. The motion for an address to his Majest, praying that he might appoint the Commission, was then agreed to. Earl STANHOPE presented a petition from Colchester against the importation of Foreign Wool; and from the County of Westmeath, against the importation of Foreign Corn. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, isIoNDAY, JUNE 11. The House met this day at the usual hour. Upon the motion of Sir G. CLERK, that the report of the Edinburgh Bridewell Bill should be received and agreed to, Sir JAMES GRAHAM objected to the further progress of the Bill, on the ground that the go vernment of this prison should not be entrusted in the bands of the sane persons who had so grossly abused their powers for the last 30 years. The Hon. Baronet eon eluded by moving an amendment. After a short discussion, in which Sir G. Clerk, the Lord Advocate, Mr. Kennedy, and Sir R. Fergusson, took part, the House divided, and we understood the amend ment proposed by Sir J. Graham was agreed to. The Bill was then committed, and ordered to be engrossed. SUPPLY OF WATER TO THE METROPOLIS. Mr. WHITMORE presented a petition from the Grand Junction Water-works Company, praying that commission should be appointed, and the charges brought against the Company investigated. Sir F. BURDETT expressed his satisfaction at the course adopted by the petitioners, and added that be would take the earliest opportunity of moving for a Committee on this important subject. TEST AND CORPORATION ACTS. Mr. DICKENSON presented petitions from Wellington, Bath, and other places, in Somerset, praying the repeal of the above Acts. Mr. MAXWELL presented a petition from several parishes in the County of Down against any further Conces sions to the Roman Catholics. Mr. MAXWELL presented a petition from the High Sheriff and Grand Jury of Monaghan, praying the House to continue its protection to the Mall Protestant Establish ment. Mr. PORTMAN begged leave to ask the Hon. Gentle man opposite (Mr. Herries) whether it was his intention to introduce a bill this session, for the Consolidation of the Laws regarding the Duties on Malt ? Mr. HERRIES said that the subject was at present itridr consideration, and that he hoped this Session of Parliament would not pass till a law should be enacted, removing the restrictions under which the Irish Distillers at present labour, and putting them on the same footing with those of the United Kingdom. RELIGIOUS TOLERATION. The following Petitions, praying for the Repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts, or for the removal of Religious Disabilities, were presented—by Mr. Bernal, from Lich field ; Sir Christopher Cole, from —, Glamorganshire ; Sir J. Astley, from Shepton Mallet ; Sir J. Wrottesley, from Staffordshire; Mr. Fleming, from Wirksworth, in Derbyshire ; Sir George Robinson, from Long Buckley, in Northamptonshire • Mr. B. Baring, from Lymington, Basingstoke, and Whitchurch, in Hampshire, and from the Island of Jersey ; Mr. Poyntz, from Chichester, Horsham, and three other places, in • Sussex; Mr. Bennett, from Salisbury ; Lord John Russell, from the Catholic Nobility,. Gentry, and others, of the Midland Districts; Mr. Heath cote, from Great Easton, in Leicestershire; - and Mr. Brougham, from Kendal, and from a Congregation in Man chester. Sir JACOB ASTLE? presented a petition from ----, in Somerset, against any concession to the Roman Catholics. WATER COMPANIES. Sir F. BURDETT rose, and in a tone almost inaudible, moved an Address, praying his Majesty to appoint a Com mission to inquire into the state of the Supply of Water to to the Metropolis. Mr. S. BOURNE, in a low tone, said, as far as we could hear him, that the evidence of the pernicious nature of the water supplied to certain districts of the Metropolis, was such as to render an inquiry into the subject absolutely necessary. He doubted, however, whether a Parliamentary Committee ought not to have been moved for at an earlier period of the Session, as a more efficient mode of inquiry. JURISPRUDENCE IN INDIA. Mr. FERGUSSON gave notice, that on Thursday, 21st June, he should move the appointment of a Select Com mittee, to inquire into certain matters connected with the Courts of Civil and Criminal Justice in the East Indies ; and with the Tenure of Lands possessed by Europeans in that country. SEAMEN'S WAGES. Mr. DOUGLAS brought up an Account of Money de ducted from the Wages of Seamen in the Merchant Service in the year 1626. FRANCHISE OF PENRYN. Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved to postpone his motion relative to the Transfer of the Franchise of Penryn to the town of Manchester, till to-morrow se'nnight, the (19th instant.) SALMON FISHERIES. Mr. HUME presented a petition from Arbroath, and another from the Chamber of Commerce and Manufac turers of 'orfarshire, relative to protecting the Salmon Fisheries. Mr. BROUGHAM also presented petitions from the Inhabitants of a District in Yorkshire, and from two or three other Parishes, in favour of the Catholic Claims. TEST AND CORPORATION ACTS. Mr. BROUGHAM presented petitions from the Pro testant Dissenters of Bradford, in Yorkshire ; from the Students in the College of Highbury, in the county of Middlesex; from the Protestant Dissenters of Chester Le Street, and other places, praying the Repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts. THE COUNTY OF WATERFORD ELECTION. ' Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from certain persons who described thernselVes as tenants under the Marquis of Waterford. To this petition he begged the serious attention of the House. The petitioners stated, that they had read in a London Paper, called the Times, a most foul and calumnious libel, purporting to be a report of a speech spoken in that House ; but which the petitioners felt convinced could never have been uttered within the walls of Parliament. In that libel, an Honourable Member of the House of Commons (Mr. Dawson, we believe) was made to state, that the tenants of the Marquis of Waterford had been pledged to support him at the late Election, but that they had been seduced from that pledge, and induced to vote for Mr. Villiers Stewart, by the influence of their Priests. This the petitioners most solemnly denied ; and they begged to be allowed an opportunity of denying, upon oath, at the Bar of that House, that such was the tact. The petition was brought up and read. On the Question that it do lie on the table, Mr. CANNING said, that if such a speech as that al bided to had been made in that House, and was published, the complaint, if any, ought to come before them in the shape of a breach of privilege. No such complaint was, however, made; and if the publication of which the peti tioners complained was libellous, then they had their re medy in a Court of Law. Mr. BROUGHAM concurred fully in what had fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman. He had felt it his duty to present the petition ; but having done so, he felt it equally his duty to declare, that under the circumstances of the case the parties ought not to apply to that House for redress of the grievance of which they complained. The Hon. and Learned Member withdrew the petition. EDUCATION—WEXFORD. - -" Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from the Ship masters and Merchants of Wexford, praying such aid as would enable them to educate the poor of that district. COURT OF CHANCERY. Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from certain per sons who are solicitors in the Court of Chancery, residing in the town and county of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, and at Gateshead, in the county of Durham, praying a revision of the Court of Chancery. BANKRUPT LAWS. Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from G. H. Page, of Cambridge, praying an alteration of the Bank rupt Laws. TEST ACTS. Sir T. D. ACLAND presented a petition from Charing ton, in the county of Devon, praying a repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts. Lord HOWICK presented twelve or thirteen petitions from different districts in Northumberland and Durham, praying a repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts. COUNTY OF WICKLOW ROADS. It was ordered, on the motion of Mr. JAMES GRAT TAN, that there be laid before the House an Account of all the Sums of money advanced for Road-making iu the County of Wicklow since 1800, distinguishing to whom paid, and how applied. SUPPLY. Mr. HERRIES moved the Order of the Day for receiv ing the Report of the Committee of Supply. Sir A. GRANT brought up the Report, which was read. Mr. HUME rose to object to one item, but resumed hie seat, on being informed by Mr. Herries that the item was so inserted by mistake. Upon the Resolution for granting a sum of 500,0001. to meet the probable expellees in Portugal, Mr. HUME said that he had in the Committee given notice of his intention to recerd his opposition to this grant upon bringing up the report. Finding, however, that there were but very few with him in this opposition, he should decline doing so. He was also induced to decline it, because he was the last .nan who could wish to raise an objection calculated to have an injurious effect. The vote was then agreed to. WAYS AND MEANS.-FINANCE COMMITTEE, Sir A. GRANT brought up the Report of the Com mittee of Ways and Means; and the Resolution for raising the 500,0001. by Exchequer Bills, for the purposes voted in the Committee of Supply, having been read, Mr. HUME observed, that as the financial arrange ments of the country had been put off until next year—and as every thing was to be deferred until the appointment of a Finance Committee next Session, it was necessary the House should be informed when that Committee was to be appointed. Hon. Gentlemen were aware that according to a rule recently established in that House, the Estimates were to be laid on the table about the 15th February; or in other words, fourteen days after the meeting of the House, which was generally on or about the Ist of that month. tithe Committee.woonot to Meet until that time, then the present heavy etpenditUre'7of - the country could hot be reduced in the interim: - He, for one, thought there was nothing to be done or recommended by a Committee that was not at present before - the Mollie. He recollected, on a former occasion, when -he recommended the appointment of a Finance Committee, the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite and others stated, that no good could come of such an inquiry; as - the Executive must always be answerable for the public expenditure. He thought there was much truth in these words, and he feared he should have to ouote the Right Hon. Gentleman against himself. He now wished to know whether it was the intention of Ministers to call Parliament together in November,in order to appoint.this Committee, so that they might have time to make the necessary preparation for their inquiries ? Mr. CANNING said he was sure the House would agree with him, in thinking that it was wholly impossible to answer the Hon. Member's question, as to when his Majesty would be advised to convene Parliament after the approaching prorogation—(hear, hear,)—a question which, he would venture to say, was unprecedented in that House. In objecting to this question, he wished to add, that he also differed from the inference which the Hon. Member seemed to draw fr4ro the non-appointment of the Finance Committee before next year ; namely, that before that period Ministers would not turn their minds to a re duction of expenditure.—(Hear.)—He assured the Hon. Member, that from the moment they had time to turn their minds to the subject, every reduction in their power should he made, without waiting for the Committee ; from the labours of which, however, when appointed, much might naturally be expected.--(Heat, hear.)-•-lle hoped the Hen. Member would feel satisfied with this balance between a refusal to answer his first question and the in ference which he seemed to draw from a supposition that the Committee was not to be appointed before February next. _ . _ Mr. HUME said, he was perfectly satisfied with the answer he had received—an answer which fully justified him in putting the question he had to the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The Resolutions were then agreed and leave given to bring in a Bill pursuant to them. MALT BILL On the motion of Mr. HERRIES, the House went into a Committee on the Malt Bill. Mr. HUME begged to direct the attentrm of the Chan cellor of the Exchequer to the present Duties on Malt.— He was sure the Right Hon. Gentleman would find the doctrine, that two and two did not always make four, fully exemplified with respect to this tax. For it would appear, that in proportion to the increase of de duty, there was found a diminution of the amount. Ant if half the present duty were to be taken off, he would tnd that the duty would increase, and that a great relief would at the same time be granted, as well to the community at large as to the agriculturist. The Report was received, and ordered to be taken into further consideration on Thursday next. GAME CERTIFICATES. On the motion of Mr. HERRIES, the House went into a Committee on the Game Certificate Acts. _ . _ It was declared that persons taking out Game Certifi cates in England should be allowed to shoot in Ireland, without paying any additional sum ; and that persons taking out Game Certificates in Ireland should be slowed to shoot in England upon paying the additional dutyonly. The House having resumed, leave was given to bring in a Bill pursuant to the said Resolution. SALE OF GAME BILL. On the motion of Mr. HERRIES, the further tonal sideration of the Report of the Sale of Game Bill was post poned to Friday next. BOROUGH OF EAST RETFORD. Mr. WESTERN moved the Order of the Day for taking into further consideration the Report of the East Retford Election Committee; and the Order of the Day having been read, the Hon. Member (as we understood) stated some reason why he as Chairman of the Election Com mittee, did not bring the subject under the consideration of the House. Mr. TENNYSON proceeded to advert to the contents of the Report, and began by mentioning the names of the three Candidates for East Retford at the last Election—Sir R. Dundas, Mr. Wrightson, and Sir 11. Wilson. The Committee had decided that the two former had not been duly returned, on the ground of treating; and they had made a Special Report, directing the attentionof the House to the generally corrupt state of the Borough of Last Ret ford. It was a notorious, long-continued, and general practice for the Electors, who had voted for the successful candidates, to receive twenty guineas from each of them, or forty guineas for the two Members. The Hon. Blem her expressed his hope that this case, and some others that might be easily mentioned, would lead to the passing of a law against the practice of treating, which tended to de moralise and brutalise the people. He then went in detail into the -evidence taken before the Committee on the sub ject of bribery, subsequent to the termination of the elec tion, among the great majority of the voters, who consisted principally of shoemakers and cobblers. He (Mr. Tenny son) moved a Resolution, " That the corrupt state of the Borough of East Rettbrd required the serious attention of the House." It was his intention to follow up this Re solution by a motion for 1 ringing in a Bill to transfer the Elective Franchise of this Borough to the town of Bir mingham. Mr. FERGUSSON supported the motion for inquiry, though he did not think, as far as the evidence went, that the House would be judicially warranted in disfranchising the Borough. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN strongly supported the motion. He thought the evidence was amply sufficient to justify the House in disfranching the Borough, and trans ferring the franchise to some great town. Mr. WYNN fully concurred in the motion. There was undoubtedly a sufficient prima facie case to justify inquiry. If the evidence should be sustained, the case would warrant the House not only in entertaining, but in passing the Bill which the Hon. Member proposed to bring in. Mr. D. BARCLAY supported the motion. Sir J. MACKINTOSH concurred with the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Wynn) that there were sufficient grounds for the introduction of the motion, and even for the dis franchisement of the Borough, if the evidence should not be disproved. Mr. THOMPSON supported the motion. Lord J. RUSSELL expressed his entire concurrence in the motion. The Resolution was then agreed to. Mr. TENNYSON then moved, that leave be given to bring in a Bill to exclude the Borough of East Retford from the Elective Franchise, and transfer the Franchise to the Town of Birmingham. Mr. GOULBURN would not oppose bringing in the Bill, but he would reserve his opinion as to whether the Borough should be disfranchised until he should have heard such evidence as might be produced at the Bar on the sub ject. He would also refrain at present from giving and• opinion as to the place to which the franchise ought to he transferred, in case it should appear that the Borough ought to he disfranchised. Sir CHAS. WETHERELL would not oppose the ing in of the Bill, but he was decidedly of opinion that the House ought not to rest upon the evidence given i❑ the Election Committee, but that it was incumbent on those who brought it in to prove their case at the Bar of the House. The House ought not to rest, in this case, on the evidence given in the Election Committee, so as to call on the Corporation to rebut it ; but those who originated the measure of. disfranchisement ought, in the first place, to make out a proper case at the Bar, and then give leave to the Corporation to answer it. Mr. FERGUSSON repeated what he had before said, that the case ought not to rest on the evidence before the Election Committee, although given on oath, because it was given incidentally, and not with a view to the dis franchisement of the Borough. Before the Bill passed, evidence ought certainly to he given at the Bar in the only way in which the House could at present receive evidence. —But he thought the jurisdiction of the House very lame while it remained without the power to take evidence on oath. Mr. WM. SMITH thought that a sufficient prima facie case had been made out by the evidence before the Election Committee, to justify the bringing in the Bill. While that Bill was in progress, certainly evidence should be produced at the Bar of the House, and the parties accu sed ought to have the opportunity to answer for them selves. But, at the same time, it was not necessary, that in a case of this kind they should proceed with the same strictness and caution as they would be bound to do before they could with propriety convict an individual judicially. A community of this kind stood in a very different situa tion. The privilege was given to the community to be exercised for the benefit of the public, and if the commu nity should be too corrupt to be able to exercise that pri vilege for its proper purpose, it ought to be deprived of the franchise, although many of the individuals composing the society might be innocent. Indeed, they who were innocent ought to have come to the House with their pe titions against the corruption ; and not having done so, they were, in some measure, responsible for it. Mr. ROSS objected both to the disfranchisement and to the transfer. Mr. O'NEIL said, that he would oppose the Bill in all its stages, on the same principle that be opposed the Penryn Bill. It was a very serious matter to deprive the community of its franchise. e Sir CHARLES FORBES was of opinion that by far the greater number of the Members of that Honse---he believed nine-tenths—obtained their seats by money or by money's worth ; and that, if they did not pay in meal, they paid in malt. —(A laugh. )—He who paid his money down for his seat was the Most independent Member.—(Hear, hear ! and a laugh.) He said that he who paid down his money was the most independent man, because he was under no obligation, if otherwise independent, to vote in any manner contrary to what he conscientiously thought to be the most proper course. He was perfectly free to vote for those measures which he himself approved, without consulting the wishes or the views of any person or party. Many of those who got their seats in another way, were bound to vote in any way in which they were directed by others, as in the case of Treasury Boroughs, and others iv.bich were held upon much the same tenure ; and the consequence was, that when they were called upon to vote on some important questions, they found themselves obliged to re sign, because they could not screw their courage up to the sticking point of voting in direct contradiction to the dic tates of their own conscience. Many of his friends had been under the necessity of accepting the Chiltern Hun dreds, from the cause which he had stated. They eetild not bring their consciences to the point to which they were expected to come, and, therefore, had no alternative, except to act in opposition to their own sense of duty, or to re sign. Boroughs which were represented in that manner were by far the worst. He believed that in the time of Mr. Pitt and Mr. Fox, a proposition had been suggested that so much of these Boroughs should he struck off on the one side, arid so much on the other. He repeated that the Boroughs, the Representatives of which. were called upo❑ to vote according to the views of others, and not according to the dictates of their own consciences, were the worst, and that the Members who paid down their money at once for their seats were the most independent. As to Parlia mentary Reform, he did not exactly understand what was meant by it. If it meant that no Members were to be re turned except from the purest and most disinterested mo tives, he was apprehensive that they would have but a thin House, and that a great many places would remain without Representatives who were at present represented. As mat ters-stood at this time, lie did not look at how the Mem bers obtained their seats. Lie looked at their conduct both in and out of this House, and thought of them accordingly. In short, he looked at measures, and not at men. He remembered that, the very first time he came into Parliament, he was called upon to serve on a Helston Election Committee. In that instance, the clearest case of corruption had been made out that any Gentleman in that House could possibly desire to have.—(A loud laugh.) That was a case in which it appeared that the Duke of Leeds had interfered, who was clearly proved to have paid to the Corporation of Helston a sum of 1,5001., for paving and lighting the streets of that Borough, which, of course, was so much saved to the Corporation. He was then told that it was a very serious matter to hold up a nobleman as a person guilty of bribery and corruption ; but if these matters were to be thus narrowly looked into, he maintained that, generally speak ing, to catch one rogue in ruffles was of much more conse quence than to catch ten in rags.—(A laugh.)—Yet no se rious notice was taken of this business of Helston ; and why should not Helston be disfranchised for corruption as well as the Boroughs of Penryn or Betford ? What was sauce for the goose was sauce for the gander.—(A loud laugh. )-- Ever since that time he had set his face against these partial attempts at reform—this method of punishing people, not because they were guilty, but because they were found out, or, in other words, because they were not so cunning and hypocritical as others were. Let some general plan of reform be brought forward, and then he would consider it, but he could not approve of these partial proceedings. He certainly would vote against this Bill, unless he saw some good grounds from the evidence to alter his opinion ; but if he should see such grounds, he would at once fairly state that he bad altered his opinion. He saw no reason, how ever, at present, for supporting the proposition. He fully agreed that the question ought to be determined by evidence to be taken at the bar of the House, which he con sidered as quite as much to be relied upon as evidence taken on oath before the Election Committees ; for an honest man would tell the truth without any oath, while a rogue was not to be depended on, even when examined on oath. Lord PALMERSTON was not at all prepared to sanc tion the free trade in votes, which the Hon. Baronet seemed to contend for. He asked whether anything could more contribute to the views of those who so eagerly contended for theoretical reform, than that the House should be so unwise as to maintain such abuses as this? The evidence before the Committee established a prima fade case of gross and general corruption, which not only justified, but required some proceeding on the part of the House. The case of Penryn was different from this, for there only a small portion of the Borough was corrupt; while here the whole Borough was corrupt. As for the case of Hel ston, two Bills had been brought into the House on that subject, but had been lost in the other House. After a few words in reply from Mr. TENNYSON, the motion was agreed to. The small Debts' Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Friday next. SCOTCH PAROCHIAL SETTLEAIENT:.;' BILL. On the Order of the Day being read for the further con- sideration of the Report of this Bill, Mr. ESTCOURT suggested, that on account of the advanced period of the Session, the Bill should be postponed. Mr. KENNEDY having assented, the Bill was ordered, pro forma, to be further considered on that day three months. The Report of the Coventry Magistrates' Bill was then taken into further consideration. Mr. TYLER opposed it as unwise, unjust, and uncon stitutional. The House having divided, the numbers were:— For the Bill, 65 I Against it, 16 I Majority, 49. The Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. On the Order of the Day for the third reading of the Salmon Fishery Bill, Mr. R. GRANT advised that it should be postponed till next Session. He moved, therefore, " That it he read a third time that day three months." Mr. KENNEDY felt great disappointment in having his hopes frustrated at the end of the third Session during which he had applied his labours to this subject. Mr. HUME regretted that this Bill should he again withdrawn. After a few observations from Mr. ROBINSON, Mr. S. RICE, and others, the Report was ordered to be taken into further consideration on that day three months. The further consideration of the Report upon the Game Bill was postponed until to-morrow. The Millbank Penitentiary Bill was read a third time and passed. The House went into a Committee on the Irish Juries' Bill. The Clauses were agreed to, and the Report ordered to be received on this day se'nnight. The Butter Trading Bill was read a second time, and or dered to be committed to-morrow. The Glass Bill was read a second time.—To he committed to-morrow. The Customs' Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Thursday next. The Exchequer Bills' Bill was read a second time. To he committed to-morrow. The Advances for Public Works' Bill was read a second time. To be committed to-morrow. Mr. S. RICE obtained leave to bring in a Bill to Amend the Law respecting Manor Courts in Ireland. Mr. S. RICE obtained leave to bring iu a Bill to regu late the Sale of Bread in Ireland. Mr. HERRIES obtained leave to bring in a Bill to con solidate the Stamp Offices of England and Ireland. Mr. TENNYSON brought in a Bill for excluding the Electors of East Retford from sending Members to Parlia ment, and to extend that privilege to Birmingham. It was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Thursday next. Adjourned at Twelve o'clock. _ LIST OF TILE MINORITY ON TEE REPORT OF THE COVENTRY MAGISTRACY DILL. Birch, W. Hay, Adam Robinson Charrington, Sir C. Lowther , Lord Russell, Lord Win Corbett, P. Moreland, M. S. Spottiswoode, A. Goulburn, Rt. Hn.H. Norton , 'Wetherell, Sir C. Hardinge, Sir H. O'Neill, Wynn, Hon. O. Hastings, Sir C. A most extraordinary outrage was committed, in the course of last week, by a Leith gentle man. Between him and a most respectable Writer to the Signet, there were some mutual outstanding accounts ; and the former called upon the latter to submit a proposition regard ing their settlement, to which he refused to ac cede ; upon which, the former pulled out a pis tol and snapped it in the other's face, but fortu nately it flashed in the pan. He then drew out another, and was about to fire it, when the gen tleman who was the object of his malice seized hold of and overpowered him. He was imme diately taken into custody, and his case is at present undergoing investigation.---Glasgotv Herald. THE GREEKS. LETTER FROM M. EYNARD TO SIR JAMES MACINTOSH. London, June 10. Sir,—You were the first to defend the cause or the Greeks, by presenting to the House of Cora-- mons, on the 15th of July, 1822, a petition, praYing that England, in concert with the other Powers , would recognize the independence of that nation, by' assigning to it the possession of a territory. The other day you again pleaded this cause, it' . speaking in a manner very honourable for your g lusters, of the persuasion you entertain that the' deliverance of Greece will be brought about trot" quilly, but surely. Since, then, you are the first and the last advo cate of Greek liberty in your assembly, allow to e s Sir, to express to you the pain I experienced on 01 arrival in England, at observing an indifference to this cause of humanity. I have endeavoured to discover the cause of a circumstance so extraordineri among a people who stand at the head of every thi great, generous, and philanthropic; and I conclud, I front the conversations I have had with several Per sons of high distinction, that this indifference is to' be attributed to the disgust which has naturally bee° created by the deplorable results of the (4reek; Loans, the inexplicable accidents which have befall'' the steam-boats, the reports of the intestine discord. among the Greek Chiefs, the pecuniary defalcatio ns which have been the consequence of these discord s ' and finally, the injury which trade has susta ine ' from the Greek pirates. The unfavourable viel taken of the cause of this unfortunate people indeed so great, that I find, to my astonishment,„ 4 . o affairs of Greece are scarcely thought of; and to'• there is want of correct information on the subj ect ' The interest you take in the fate of this nation induces me to enter into some details. The fad* on which the reproaches are founded are not dis puted; but justice requires that some observatioso, should be made upon them. 1. Ought the Greeks to be accused of the !pis management of the loan, and the disasters of the steam-boats ? Certainly not, as is well known to all the world. 2. That intestine discords have existed is true; but the history of every nation struggling for io d ,; pendence presents a similar picture; and surely °- Greeks are not less excusable than others. 3. That several Chiefs have been deficient in / Ir : the, probity, and patriotism, is too true ; but no 011- : has betrayed his country by treating with the 'ittri‘ s ` . 1. That defalcations have taken place in Greet e r is also true; but for that the management of the loans made in London is to blame. The fragroeil!' saved from the wreck, instead of being forwarded ,° provisions and ammunition, were transmitted in gold to Chiefs just rising from a state of slaverli Was not this throwing among them an apple; a discord ? .5. That Greek pirates commit depredations ():t: commerce, is again true ; but does not the dread' state of wretchedness to which the population isl e ; duced afford some excuse for these disorders ? should be recollected that the sailors of Clio, sara, &c. have lost every thing; and that for th: years they have had to support a miserable existoF l42 in a country completely ravaged by the eneinl* When their wives and children call to them ft it bread, what can they do ? 4 The remarks I have here hastily made do not! It confess, entirely exculpate the Greeks; but I then they ought to diminish the reproaches ;cast on w eot, for past transactions. - aoc l Let us now consider their present situation , hie their present conduct. I shall state only_auibsta facts, which is the surest way to interest convince. 1 1 PRESENT STATE OF GREECE• 1. The Greeks, sensible of the necessity of Pre; vanting abuses, and of making their benefa ctor place confidence in the application of their contrihW dons, proposed to the Greek committees the 8 1 7 ' pointment of two commissions, consisting of Eur o ' Pti coal of sa and the Greeks, contributionst o be intrusted from the N,:;oitmhmthitete d e i s S . tr bileiiiaab; commissions have been installed, and consist of the following members : Col. Heideck, a German ; M. Baille, a French man ; M. Gosse, a Swiss; M. Xeno, a mercha nt Admiral Miaulis, and Admiral Tombasis. t:i One commission is established at Napoli, an d . receives all the supplies for the land forces. t The other commission, which is station ed Poros, receives the supply destined for the nOl l4 2. The Greek seamen and ship-owners, fee t _c the necessity of establishing a national mariney,i', 3, given up their vessels to the Government. -a were in want of an experienced commander, they have appointed Lord Cochrane their High Ad'' miral, with full powers. Miaulis, Tombasis, a to all the other officers were unanimous in wishing serve under the gallant English commander. j. 3. The divisions which prevailed among the - 5 litary chiefs no longer exist. They saw that it ‘v:01 necessary they should have a foreign leader. Ge n Church has accordingly been appointed con-10101.-d of the land forces, and the chiefs who were 190°' hostile to each other have united in serving "n him. 4. The dissensions among the civil officers 1134.°„er also terminated. The Primates who competed 'yr, power agreed to choose for President a foreiP, e o t the choice has fallen on Count Capo v nt as it is not yet certain whether he will or can tic ce i , the office, a provisional government of three O e : 0 , bers is in the mean time appointed. This nev i ,Tir vcrnment acts in perfect harmony with the conlL-eo sions for distributing supplies, and at the P res moment order and union prevail in Greece. t he 5. Fabvier, who has so bravely defended an d Acropolis, Colonel Gordon, Colonel Heideek, his brave Bavarians, all display the greatest 03 t htis l ihe i aa e ritv:vil s eog. j e crbi r eAt. N e,o , i e c cala e lowsnlkm o itsil f ia. Greece. - o cm l , li ii r T l c ri t i e l a al e l ri i y s y i l a,: f ic a i l le e ' c t h r s i e ev li l G )l l o a r o v ct v e hs Government, m b e e n e t n , the communicated commissions' i i e l f ,h s ich ha h 7 v a e ll be ll e n n all t i r M ar O is U rn S i t t :: MEANS OF RESISTANCE AND SUCCOURS SENT TO / It GREEKS SINCE THE END or FEBRUARY, 1827. , The European Committees have purchased the ship of war which d Lord Cochrane 1 conveyed Greece. I n order that aaltosn m eley a ani y nsieihdgc a oe c tisaim t lrs (ar a ipra s oryhj vgaitevetwr;littei bole' and without With impediment, h p mt ah e tdi this ITl Ll:roi e cu ri rv i, fcoo i ri t oteicifh : oi v ral should receive supplies destined exclusively icir 1 0-1. 1. Several cargoes have been despatched t° ir til l e- Naval Commi d d s e s e r io a : b — n l , e u s n u d m et the orders of the itcamel-1 Committee lCommission,ie f. for ing 3 other wants of the naval force. d tO the . Another sum has been transmitte Aat the request of the Admiral, for the purpose 0 ' - descents. d ne 1. Powder and balls have been sent lh g reilt c'ho e° tities for the land service. Several cargoes °',:d t° and various munitions have also been foriv‘„oble the Commission at Napoli, as well as a consoiceo the sum of money. The women and children, ‘vllo,ooo' men go to battle, would die of hunger in the •, t isc fo p a yt ‘ h ri on a og s p b ts e h e ei n ) uc trtrea:Ov7abi :i t Ittr:re istinEpoiiiii: tains of Greece. A cargo of provisions for th e o j ii , has been consigned to the Archbishop of NO i se rY Col. Heideck writes to me thus :--"Iltilella i 6 of the families of Souli, Attica, and ft°'-,A to ' Of frightful. Bands of infants, women, and (”%sibe, wander about, enduring hunger and e very'. „ ot evil, rather than slavery. The Archblsh°ll,o, has opened nriebda andstil sc ) give rip ssitai o tio a nfosrtl ic ieenlio:tbesetbtessr, tA ti ofo entilneed to unfortunate beings in the name of my cootitt The succours despatched to Greece w ith h . .,, t to three months by tbe different committees amou"plieo more than 900,000 f. French money. Th! s ci tiP bred can be continued for some time longer , i' ll . un ete and munitions of war are secured to the union