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Ong of the insecurity to their vxsons and lives in consequence of their not having joined what was called the " Thames Union," and ?Toying for protection in the exercise of their free right to riort for their daily livelihood. Tr.?se petitions were referred to the said Committee. So Joil/4 ASHBY presented a petition from a parish in Wilt stire., praying for inquiry into the case of Robert Gourley.— '.aid on the table. Mr. DITODALE presented a petition from the neighbourhood zi Birmingham, signed by 3,500 persons, against the Catholic eiief BilL-- L aid on the table. "I)i6 Juries Bill Committee was postponed to Friday. TITHE PROCTORS. his Joins NEWPORT presented supetition from the neigh. Gourbood of Dingle in the Western ex tremit y of Ireland, •Criiiplainizig of the co nduct of the Tithe Proctor in that quarter, Mr. BARING expressed a hope that the case would be in ii.ibred into by the Right Hon. Secretary of Ireland. • - My . GOULBURN said, that the Government of-Ireland woni thew every readiness to remedy grie ,- ancea of this nature. _.„4„e'elie same time he must observe, that the Tithe Composition , 891 introduced by him to the House was a measure culeo ,*Alai to afford a remedy for evils of this kind. After a few words from Mr. .3 OHM SMITH, 3! r. J. BENETT, aid Dr. PnitureoaE, the petition was read and ordered•to be printed. • Join,/ NrwecntT then presented a petition from a parish in tlle Queen's County, complaining of the rates levied for the tnailding of a Church.—Laid on the table. Sir A. HOPE presented petition from the Noblemen, ' Gen tlemerr and Farmers of the county of Linlithgow, against any alteration in the Corn Laws.—Laid on the table. Mr. J. Win Lusts presented a petition from Mr: Butt, apri soner in the Fleet Prison, praying for inquiry' into his case.— laid on, the table. Mr. J. BEBETT presented two petitions from the county of, Intshire, praying for inquiry into the ease of Mr. Gourley.— Ordered to be printed. iIt..HERRIEs presented a petition from the Illayor and In- Itabitants of Harwich against the Catholic Relief Bill.—Ordei act io be printed. The Lion. GEoRGE LAMB presented a petition from some *lice in Derbyshire, against any alteration in the Corn,Laws.— .dered to he printed. Mr. SCARLETT presented a petition from the. Barristers ant Attorneys of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, praying that the Ro man Catholics of Ireland may be relieved from all civil dis sWities. • Mr..l:WinniAms bore testimony to the respectability of the ' p.nries.—Ordered to be printed. • N. ConTxuasT presented a petition from the Merchanti and Traders of Cork, in Ireland, complaining of the exorbitant sharges of the Post Office. Mt. HERRIES said that the subject' of the Post OfEces es . .rges in Ireland was under the consideration of the Commis.: sinner* in that country. lir. R ICE said, he should like to know when the report gf,tbese Commissioners would be made. • .che petition was then read, and ordered to be piloted. CATHOLIC BIBLES. :Sir THOMAS LETHBRIDGE presented a Petition from the' ooanty of Somerset, against the Catholic Relief Bill. Mr. S. RICE took this opportunity of adverting to the ob stinations made by the Hon. Baronet, upon a Catholic Edition cf the Holy Scriptures upon a late occasion. The notes which tnelioneurable Baronet had read to the House, had been dis: +claimed pablicly and fermally by Dr. Troy and all the Catlin -1C: Bishops. The edition of the Holy Scriptures had got into citculation before the nature of the notes were known, and it wns not now in circulation at all with the approbation of the Catholic' Hierarchy. He was sure the Honourable Baronet would thank him for this information, as he knew he would not hare - quoted these notes if he had not believed they had the stump of authority. air T. LETHBRIDGE said, he certainly had thought at the time - he .quoted the edition in question, that it was an edi tiorinf authority. But his opinion was not altered as to the temper and views of the Roman Catholics of the present - day, and he:thought lie had brought forward enough to support him in his opinion. General GASCOYNE observed, that the notes in question were published and circulated in the Foreign Edition of the Dottay Bible with the fullest authority that could not be d.nied. Mr. V. FITZGERALD stated that the disclaimer of Dr Troy and the Bishops of Ireland was published in every News- Paker, in Ireland. .General GASCOY NE contended that this did not do away the intolerant spirit of the Roman Catholics, who wrote and cir .-caiated these notes. The petition was then ordered to be printed. Mr. W. SMITx presented petitions from the Dissenters of "firightlielinstone and Finsbury Parish, London, lisclaiming hostility to the Roman Catholics.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. El tr sin presented a petition from the Colliers of Dum , tairinon and Renfrewshire, in favour of the existing Combination Liarra,-,Laid on the table. The Rgsort on the Small Debts (Scotland) Bill was post. paved to Friday next. The Committee on . the Distillery Bill was postponed to Fri next. e. Bitoi:offast presented a petition from the Dissenters of Stateren Walden, Essex, in favour of the Catholic Claims.— .Ordered to be printed. THROWN SILK ACTS. The House resolved itself into a Committee of the whole 'liaise on the Thrown Silk Acts. • The clauses were read and agreed to, and the Report ordered : -ta be received to-morrow. , The Committee of Sapply, on the motion of 3.1 r. II Eon FES, Witst postliGned to Wednesday. air. HEItItIES stated, in answer to a question from Mr. -If train, that the vote of money for Mr. 31`Adarn would not be rowed before Friday next. ' CATHOLIC RELIEF BILL. Mr. BROUGHAM moved the further consideration of this 401 4 and that the amendments of the Committee be agreed to. Jr. J. W. MAXWELL said, that he had been misrepre seated as. to what had fallen from him on a former occasion.— H a had merely voted for a Committee in order to acquire infer tsaatinn on the subject: Ile had read the evidence taken before the 'Committee, and was not induced by-it to change his former cantiinents. Ile should vote - against the third reading. fiord 0. CAVENDISH made some allusion to an assertion wi..,4t fell the other evening from an Hon. Baronet (Sir T. 14:4bridge) • that art opulent Gentleman near Wetherby had aoertar 'that the Protestant Churches were profaned by the performance of the Protestant service. The Gentleman had nevi r ipade any suds assertion, and the Hon. Baronet was bound to explain. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE said that it was hard to be attacked two on the saute night on die same subject. It was not Par liamentary. Every Representative hid a right to express his (Onion without being called to an account for it. A3I gft under the Gallery said, that this was a matter of fact, and not of opinion. Goloael FORDE, with respect to some assertion that he had changed his mind on the question, said that lie was induced to think that the two collateral Bills would make the general ma aura of relief more a cceptable. .L.ord G. CAVENDISH said, he had the authority of the Honourable Mr. Petre and of Lord Stourton to deny the fact. The Newspaper which had reported the statement had been • prosecuted.' Sir J. NEWPORT.saiti that the Hon. Baronet had not vin dicated himself. He had advanced what he was incapable of maintaining. Sit 'l'. LETHBRIDGE said he was capable of maintaining whatever he had,said at the proper time and place. The amendments were then agreed to, the Bill ordered to la• engrossed, and ordered to be read a third time to-mor row. • BROUGHAM said that the discussion would certainly come to-morrevi (this day.) ..Nr. BROUGHAM said he saw the Ron. Member for Corfe Coup in his place. Ile wished to know whether the H0n.14 em bet meant to move any amendment as to the right of Catholics to rat in Parliament, and whether he meant to take the sense of taio House on Mr. BANICS' said, he might possibly move two amendments, - the first, respecting Catholics sitting In 'Parliament ; and the second. to make the appointment of Cqrnmissioners optional. Jtut he should not take the sense of the House on either of than. IRISH ELECTIVE . FRANCHISE BILL. On the motion that the House resolve itself into a Committee on this Bill, Mr. GRATTAN said that he should enter his protest agaihst the measure. Irish Members were divided in opinion . con cerning the Bill, and how could English Members be capable arnaking sip their minds upon it. This Bill ought not to be mixed up with Catholic Emancipation. He should oppose it on the same ground that he supported the great measure. The individual whose name he bore would have opposed it. If the people of.froland were not worthy of the Elective Franchise, they were not worthy of Emancipation. The oath of a poor titan was as good as that of a rich man, and the 101. freeholder was as likely to perjure himself as the 40s. freeholder. He concluded by entering his protest against so detestable a measure. Mr. V. FITZGERALD supported the motion that the speaker now leave the Chair, and made some remarks in fa rsur of the general principle of the BilL Mr. LITTLETON said it would be inconvenient to enter . upon the general discussion at preknt. He would merely say that it was his firm determination to resist every attempt to ex. teed the , principle of disqualification beyond the 40s. free itaVers. Hia.object was , merely to do away with fraudulent votes and none other. He hoped the House would let the Bill go into a Committee.' „ - .. .....—. Mr. L. FOSTER fetid, that the principle of the Bill was just what he had always supposed. All he wished was.to an nihilate fraudulent franchises. He was only anxious to reforni, and not to destroy. But the details of the . 11i11 were imperfect, and if it passed a new kind'Of fraud would be generated. There was a class of persons in Ireland who would be - glad to increase their influence—no - matter. by what means—and this measure would afford them thg• opportunity of doing it in a fraudulent way. lie wished to strike out of the Bill those words which limited it to leasehold franchise. The 40s. freeholders of Ire land was exactly the same as a 40s. freebolder.in Kngland.- •It wasjust as prejudicial, in a constitutional point of view, to an nihilate the Irish as to destroy the English freeholder. The measure required -great correction. He did' not know whether he should vote against it or not, but he hoped that it would be considerably altered in the. Committee. .• ' Sir .l. NEWPORT looped that the discussion - might _end, '. and that the Bill. Might go into the. Committee.--( Hear !) • -. • ' Sir J. WitOTTESLEY made some general observations in' .favour of the measure of Emancipation, and 'against the parti-' cular Bill fof disfrariehisitie nearly '200;000 persons. Mr. 0. R. DAWSON said he thought the question scarcely less important than that of Catholic Entancipation. It was improperly Mixed up with that other Measure. The two ques tions were so connected as to stand or fall together. If he sup ported this BilJ, lee e sheuld give an indirect support to the Ca tholic Relief Bill; apd. if he did not, he should not gain for . Ireland the adiadtages "which' would ensue from the Catholic Clergy Bill. Thus he was obliged; in order to support the lat ter measure, to - vote agairitit 'hie opinion for the present Bill.— Wear! ) —He Would however esintintte th vote for the Bill if it remained just as it steiiisl at The whole system of the elective franchise in - lit-laid required alteration. lie would be glad• to see the esualificatioo raised to 20!. It would tend to create a substantial` yeomanry: If the law were altered, he shouia be O-latite see the Catholic Gentry returned to Pariia- ' thene. ..Still the question ought to be considered by itself sepa -1 rate froin the Cath6lic question. Under such circumstances, he lope's] his , Hon. Friend' the 'Member for Stafford would at . tend:to:the 'singsfehtions of those persons, snore particularly by property and Family connected with the interests of that coun try, and whosehele object' must naturally be to render the Bill palateable to the people of Ireland., and a safe experiment in the eyes of the Protestants of that country. • Lord - ErtitiNwictm supported the Motion. • Lord CORRY said that he voted for the second reading, but 'he 'should oppose its going into a Committee now, in conse quence of the amendment which had been introduced. • ' - Airee. WILSON argued against the lill. He looked with horror at a proposition for taking away one of the noblest and Most sacred rights of his 'fellow subjects. This was only a se eondary _. measure, and depended upon the other; and 'he • would_ not consent to legislate upon a contingent step which might - never be taken. If this measure were a good one in it self; lie still should not-oppose-it on account of his hostility to the. other if it came before him upon its own merits. The Hon. •Member then' 'made- a few -observations in vindication 'of a -Noble Landowner in the North, who had been attacked by an .Hon. and Learned Member on a previous night. Mr. HUME said—” I rise, Sir, to express an opinion dif ferent from that of the .Hen. Gentleman, or any other Hon. Member - who preceded him." (Laughter.) The Hon. AI-ember then - declared his unwillingness - to consent to this innovation upon a great principle which lie so deeply - respected; Ile la • mented that this measure had been connected with Catholic Emancipaticin, for he could .conceive nothing so calculated to injure that great question, if it could be capable of injury.— ' Nothing could change his anxious desire es see that question carried ;- but if the present measure had been introduced as a clause in the Catholic Relief Bill, he should have been corn , pelled to rote against it. The Hon. Member referred to the 1 opinion of Dr. Doyle in the letters signed J. K. L. against stripping the Irish peasant of the Elective Franchise, which would make him the essence of a slave, while, bad as he was at present, he exhibited the image of a freeman. There was, in short, no evidence - before the House on which it ought to proceed. His (Mr. Hume) object was to obtain information on this subject before any decisive steps'were taken,' and for that purpose 'he should conclude by moving for a Select Com mittee to investigate the state of the Elective Franchise in Ireland._ When the'Borough of-Grampound was disfranchised, a long time *as spent _in investigation, although the aim was not in reality to limit but to extend the right of voting. If ;thy Measure of this kind were necessary, it ought to be gem rel, and applied to the same species of franchise in England, as in the Sister Island. It' electors abused their privilege, let them be punished for it by depriving them of its exercise ; but where was the evidence that the Irish 40s. freeholders had so abused that right as to forfeit it 1 The people of Ireland, on the con trary, were silent, because they were led to expect, the one party Emancipation, and the other party the destruction - of the. Catholic power. Now if there was any principle which he (Mr. Ilume) considered sacred, it was the extension of the Elective Franchise, and yet this Bill went to disqualify the whole po pular class of voters in Ireland. Honesty and purity, in' his opinion, were not - confined to the higher classes, bur; on the contrary, he believed ihe lowest classes of the country were in all 'respects the least corm pt.—( Hear is —He theretbre never should consent to disfranchise half a million of Irbh electors without any just ground for doing so.. If there were abuses, let them be proved and corrected; but while the House was with out a tittle of evidence to guide them, he must think the pre sent measure uncalled for. To Bills of regulation lie had no objection ; where perjury prevailed, let perjury be punished and prevented. He would next- ask, could any true friend of Reform, in common consistency, support this- questihn ? (Hear, hear!)—Those cheers must have one of two meanings, and Hon. Gentlemen might choose which they pleased. He should continue to hold that a great principle ought never to be sacrificed to temporary expediency, nor could he consider it lets than a dereliction of principle to rob half a million of the people .of Ireland of their rights.—(Hear, hear !)—H e ought, perhaps, to have said," take away ;" but whatever phrase he used ap peared to him of minor importance. After a few observations in conclusion,' the Hon. Member sat down by moving as an amendment—" That a Select CoMmittee be appointed to in quire what frauds and abuses exist in the exercise of the Elec tive Franchise in Ireland, and what measures it would be most advisable to adopt to prevent a recurrence of such evils." Colonel Jon N3TON seconded the amendment. Mr. R. MARTI N, upon constitutional principles, could not support this measure, but still, as a means of promoting Eman cipation, it should have his vote. He had heard that there was a meeting of 20 or 30 Irish Members to consider of this subject ; but Irish Members were the last persons in the world that ought to be listened to on such a question.—(Cheers.)—Nay; lie him. self was the last, or at least as little to be consulted as an y other Irish Representative.—(Cheers and laughter.)—He repeated, they were an in such a case incompetent witnesses—(Cheers.) — The object of those Gentlemen was only to save themselves trouble and expence by reducing the number of their consti tuents. The Iton. Member for Louth (Mr. L. Foster) said the elective franchise stood upon the same footing in England anti Ireland. If so, why not make this new law apply to both coun tries, particularly when the state of property in England fa voured the experiment. He was at the same time willing that the Hill should go into Committee ; because he believed the Irish Roman Catholice, to obtain Emancipation,. would immo late a part of the rights they now enjoyed • and in that case, though reluctantly, officiate during the sacrifice as a Priest a t the altar. - The manner, . indeed, in which the House was pro ceeding on . the question of Catholic relief, reminded him of an anecdote which he had heard of a certain Quack Doctor at Paris, who professed to cure persons effectually of the tooth ache. An individual accordingly, who suffered severely from the painful complaint, applied to the Quack, and having feed him liberally, received his nostrum in return, and applied it diligently as directed for some time.' The consequence was, that the person's teeth all fell out, and he very naturally brought an action against the Quack, not only for fraud, ' but for the injury he had sustained. When the case came to be tried before (he believed) the Tt ibwial de Cos:anon, and the Judge "recapitulated the charge. the • Quack denied that he was culpable. " I did nut," said he to the complaisant, " undertake to preserve your teeth, but .to cure you of the tooth-ache, partand is. of n ytohuer contract."—(laughter.)—The a e s showing, u as g h y t e o r u . )._... have T h e n now a n n e e i - r ther front nor back teeth, there is no possibility of your ever having the tooth-ache again, so that' I have faithfully per formed in which (continued Mr. Martin) Emancipation is at present proposed, if carried, was something like the manner in which this quack cured the tooth-ache. While the Catholics are granted their rights, they are deprived of the means of exercis ing them. lie regretted this the more, because he could state instances of independence on the part of the Irish 40s. free holders, which he defied lion. Gentlemen to match on the face of the globe. The lion. Member then proceeded to state in some contested erectioh for the county of Galway, , in which he was a candidate as we ll as a r e l a ti v e cf his present Hon. colleag ue (Mr. D , a l 7), a compact ways e ntered into, that his Hon. co llea g ue should remain neuter not allowing his - . tenan ts to vote on either sid e un d er t h e stipulation that for every one of th.m which first voted on one side, two should vote as a com pensation on -the - Opposite side.—[The - Honoura ble .Mem ber went on t o ex pl a i n , th at in Ireland when forty voters have not polled in one day, in this booth - for any particular barony, that booth must henceforth remain' closed.)- 1 t so happened that one of hi s (M r . M art i n ' s) b o oths had arrived at that p o int when, from want of a sufficient Member of voters, it was about to be shut; b u t a t th a t mome nt five of his lion. Colleague's tenants broke loose and - notwithstanding ever y endeavour which his H on . Coll'eague•could use to prevent it, voted for him (Mr. Martin) and kept the booth open. According to agreement, his Hon:Coll le said, "then for those five voice, •the opposite shall have ten." But - then ten also broke loose, and, as we tinderstoOd - the Hon- Member, WO for him like- wise in spite of his Hon. Colleague, by which means two booths Question. Nothing, in his opinion, but a delusion of mind he (Mr. - M.) wished to close, were kept open, and a loss sus- could have mixed it with the Catholic question. It had nothing tamed by him on the whole • pall of upwards of 60k) votes.= to do with it. He said so on a former occasion, and repeated (Hear!)—Now men, lie.contended, who braved so much to fol- it; but he could not . say with the Members for Uoston and low their own feelings and principles, were perfectly indepen- Durham, that the passing of this Bill was sufficient reason for dent free.holdtre, and deserved to enjoy the rights they so man- altering his opinion with respect to the Catholic Bill. He fully exercised.—(Hear!) could not give up the impression that the Catholic question was Mr. DALY (among L ou d an d genera l c a ll s to rise) addressed one founded on justice, and that the measure was absolutely the House and said, he was taken somewhat unexpectedly by necessary firethe salvation of the country. lie conjured the Hon. the speech of his lion. :Colleague. Having heard that on te - .friend by hie ,attachment to his duty, to_consider again what former night. during his (Mr. Dely'S) absence, his Hon. cot- .was his duty, and to do it.. if they did not Vine for the Catholic league had mentioned an election for the county of Galway in Question, it would appear. that they did nOt follow their own which he was concernednlia-thisoneninn asked the Hon. Gene. opinions :-That,they.were not free agents—that they . voted for tleman (Mr. Martin) whether he intended to allude to him or lit one day, and against it another. lie urgently put it to those not in the course of the present debate, and the answer was Hon. Friends to reconsider what they had said ; lay their heads that he dithnot. The Hon. Member might certainly have re- on :their pillows, etrid before to-morrow they might retract the plied correctly; • for he had not: alluded to him (Mr. Daly), opinionit they had expressed. lust had directly obliged him with, being .a Party-to she Pro , -)tr• LAIVIBTON said, his Hon. and Learned Friend was ceeilinge he teed just stated:---(Hear Hort. Member au neemisfakeri a Suppoeinghe could retract what he had given then proceeded to explain the transaction we have endeavoured:. as his fixed opinion, ton - norrow night. • He said some time ag . o to relate above, add to show that 'he' was rot Cognizant of the that he never WoOld vote-for the question of Catholic Ernanci oenduce which his tenantry pursued in that instance before it _potion whilst it was distorted by being yoked with the Disfran occurred, and :that he had act e d t h roug h ou t confornialely to the chiseinent. Bill. Rather than the forty shilling freeholders pledge of neutrality given in the outset , ' The Hon. Member should be deprived of the right of voting, he would consent to then adverted to the question- under debate, and said he be. 'let the Catholic Question be lost. So long as it was coupled as lieved the evils of the system of forty shilling freeholders w with the Bill then under consideration, he should give it his de. correcting itself, and if a Committee were appointed, which tided opposittnii: Hee could assure his Hon. and Learned would suggest guards against the existin.g abuses, lie should Friend, that ehe vote he snot ld,give:Would he founded on his rejoice at the Circumstance, and give such a 'measure his hearty 'opinion. Ile liad'never given a vote in that House from inte support. rested motives. Since-he had occupied a sear he Parliament he Mr. R. MARTIN' explained. He begged to assure 'the had acted with sincerity. The determination he had formed House and his Hon. Colleague, that he never mean to impute not to vote for the Catholic Relief Bill, coupled with the suf. to hint a guilty foreknowledge Of the conduct of his - tenants to trage measure had occasioned some pain, because a man did not . •I which he had referred.—.(Hear!) lire to give up ltii friends, but he lied given them notice of his • Mr. DALY, after each a declaration', -thought any Gentle- intention. His Hon. and Learned Friend concurred with him man must be satisfied.—(Hear!) in saying that it was a most objectionable measure. Mi. S. BICE congrattilated" the House upon the episodical r. - BROUG HA M—(Hear, hear!) dialogue, between the two Hono ura bl e Members for Galwaynn- Mr. LA MiI.TON continued:—His lion and Learned Friend if the Hon. Member for Staffordshire wanted evidence to sup- had then no right to object to his conduct. His Hon. and port his Bill, that dialogue - supplied it. What was meant by Learned Friend said he could vote for both measures. He did voters " breaking loose," and by a compact between Gentle- not . think so: Another reason for coming to this conclusion men to exchange- two voters for one voter ?' He should "not, was knew the mixing of the two bills was opposed however, discuss the topic further, but beg to call the attention by -persons appointed to, bring in the Catholic Bill. There of the Hotise to an observation of hi s Honourable Friend the were symptoms of a d es i gn t o di sun it e th e b es t friends of Member for Aberdeen. lie - Was extremely pleased to find his freedom, and he would trot be reproached for doing that which lion. Friend echo in that House sentiments respecting the mo- was not -criminal. He had- refused to abandon the principles • tives of some Gentlemen, for the tenour of their evidence before he had professed. His opinion was, that carrying the Disfran the Committee, which sentiments he grieved to say had already chisement Bill would do more injury to the people of Ireland by means of letters to Hon. Members, and writings in the ' than 'not carrying the Catholic Ouestion. The' Honourable Public Papers most lamentably estranged Parliament from -Member could. not foresee that the expression of his opinion a favourable view of Emancipation. He now denied in the would lead to debate, and much less that lie should be told to strongest terms the justice of such imputations. In Ireland they retract, for he had come to a wrong conclusion. Ile was not to had no existence; they obtained no credit ;. and in this coun- be brow-beaten. He had formed a conscientious opinion, and, try they 'emanated from—nothing less he c ould call them than "SO help Me God !" - said Mr. Lambton, I will pursue the line incendiaries and persons who thus endeavoured to give vent to which I consider my duty, though it may lead to the genera fet lings of disappointed vanity.— (Hear !)—This, however, was tion of the dearest interest. a painful subject, and lie should not dwell on it further.— Mr. BROUGHAM could not suppose that any Member in The Hon. Member then argued to chew that the evidence al- that House would say he had endeavoured to controul or brow ready before Parliament, sufficiently justified the measure beat his-Hon. friend. lie was not conscious old - laving attempt. under immediate consideration, and instanced the testimony ed to put any restraint on his Hon. Friends. en of Judge -Day betbre the Hon. Committee of last . year, in Colonel JOHNSON repeated that he should not vote for the c, r:ohoration of his opinion. He also alluded to the evidence third reading of the Catholic Bill, if it were connected with the of Mr. Cooke, of Mr. O'Connell, and Mr. Wallace, to prove Bill then before the House. dlr. the Irish forty shilling freeholders voted at present froM Mr. JAMES feltit necessary, as he was a friend to the ex compulsion,. and were subservient to the will of their supe- tension of the elective franchise, to state why he meant to vote riari. lie also adduced the same evidence to chew that for the disfranchisement Bill. He would do so, because it up every really independent 40s: freeholder would become a 101. :peered, from the evidence now before the House, that the f; Beholder under the proposed measure, and - that its only Roman Catholic 40s. freeholders were nominally, but not really, operation would be to remove a mass of voters who had no - freemen. will or conduct of their own in returning Members to Parlhi- The House then resolved itself into the Committee. ment. If, however, the bill attempted to interefere with 40s. • Mr. LIT"I'LETON said, lie merely wished the blanks. to be freeholds in fee he should regret it, even though he should at filled up, pro forma, the report to be received, and to be taken the same time regret 'emancipation. One meanie why he ap-• into further consideration on Thursday next. proved of the alteration was that he thought it would conduce Several members called out, "Go on." • - to the growth of a body of independent Constituency in Ireland, Mr: FITZGERALD did not approve of' the course recom by encouraging the poorer classes to purchase small estates.— mended by the lion. Member for Strafford. Upon these principles lie gave the Bill his complete. support, Mr. HUSKISSON Ktid, that the course proposed was the and in doing so let should address one word. to -the friends of most proper one. By adopting it, th e y wmild come to the dim- Ireland. This measure - had produced an approach to unani- cussion on Thursday next, with a perfect -knowledge of the mity among all classes of Irishmen, and therefore gave a sure Bill, instead of proceeding now, in the absence of that know indication that the great question with which it was connected 'ledge.. Whatever-objections the Hon. Members bad to offer would be carried at no distant day—for when the people of Ire-. could be submitted to' the House on Thursday, with as much land were onceimanimeus, their voice and wishes would lie effect as if they were urged now.. complied with .by the British Legislature. For that .Union the Sir J. NEWPORT said by allowing the Bill to pass through country was much indebted to the Hon. Member for Armagh, the_Committee, proforma, the Hon. Member would not pledge whose conduct had. rendered the name of Brownlow doubly himself to approve of any particular case. deer and valuable to Ireland. After a few more observations Mr. PLUNKETT said, that all the clauses had not as yet in justification of the passage from the - letters of J. K. L. re- been opened by the Hon. Member for Stafford. There were (erred to by the lion. Member for Montrose, the Hon. Gentle- some clauses of which the lion. Member who wished to pro man sat dawn by declaring his decided opinion in f av o u r of the treed now, could not at present-know any thing. 1 till.—( II !) • • - After a few words from Mr. FOSTER, Mr. V. FITZ , 111`NAGHTEN rose to oppose the Bill altogether. If • GERALD, and Mr. CALCRAFT, the Bill went through the the House wished to proceed - judiciously in such a course, it Committee. The Report was received, and ordered to be ought first to inquire what the abuses of the existing system t a k en i nto f urt h er - cons id erat i on on Thursday next. The other really' were, ,and then. legislate to remove them. Would it be Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and at ONE O'CLOCK fait because the Borough of Grampo.und was corrupt that they the House adjourned. slionld disfranchise the whole people of England ? He consi. tiered the Bill so unjust that he could not vote for it. - Sir F. BLAKE supported the Capt. O'GRADY rose with reluctance to speak his senti ments, but lie could not avoid saying that the county. which he represented was tree f one the excesses which had been stated to-prevail in other counties. The Hon. Member adverted to a statement made on a former night by the Hon. Member for Ar magh. He alluded to the circumstance of a Gentleman going over to Ireland to serve the office 'of Sheriff. It had been said the Gentleman divided - his estate into 40s. freeholds for the pur pose of returning' himself a- Member- to serve in Parliament. tie was enabled to say, from the best authority, that the Gen denied alluded to denied the statement.. The Gentleman did not divide his estate, -or add one -more voter to his tenantry.— With respect to the Bill, he should not vote for it, but support the Catholic Relief Bill, - believing it would 'do much good for Ireland. Mr. D. BROWN supported the measure, because he thought the present system of voting for 40s. freeholds, perpetuated the misery and degradation of the people of Ireland. Colonel TRENCII gave .his opinion that this would be a honest measure and a blessing to Ireland: He should support it upon its own merits. • Lord MILTON said he should support the Bill because it would promote the object of the great measure. H e thought the benefits supposed to be derived 'from this measure were much exaggerated. Out of this measure great evils might arise. Those who divided. their estates into forty shilling free holds, would divide them into 10/. freeholds. He was not dis posed to doubt the- independency of the freeholders of Ireland; but he should vote for the Bill, because it would check the Oli garchy- An Hon. Member who represented a borough in -Eng land, and who so strongly opposed.the Bill, some years ago re presented the county of - Antrim, in Ireland. When the heir of a Noble Family came of age he carne in for Antrim, and the Hon. Member represented the Borough of Orford.• That was certainly no proof of the independence of the Noble freeholders. He should give the measure his support, but it did not go the length of preventing fictitious votes. The great object was to put an end to fictitious voting. - The Noble Lord suggested whether that might not be accomplished by making the term longer for registering votes. _ A man should not vote until a number of years had expired, and his land was made valuable. In the Committee it was probable he might submit a proposi tionon the subject. Mr. , MACNAGHTEN explained. The Noble Lord had spoken of him as the Representative of a Borough, as if he had no right to vote.—( Here a loud and general exclamation was raised of " Spoke, spoke !—Order!—Chair !")_ The SPEAKER said, an Hon Member who had spoken in debate was only allowed to explain. • Mr. MACNAGHTEN again in explanation said the Noble Lord was wrong in,l4is statement. Mr. W. HECHEA was sorry more infoirnation had not' een y)focured, bit no man who was Impressed with the importance . 01 the great question;, could refuse to vote for the Bill then before the House. It was called for by the Protestant land lords, and the R o m an C at h o li cs gave t h e i r conse nt to it. H e snotild vote for it, because it would facilitate the Catholic Re lief. Bill, and thereby - promote the interest of Ireland. The question then being loudly called for; the House then divided: For going into the Committee - - 163 •*- Against it —•— 53 EFFF.CTS of sr ENLO usy.--A trial for murder took place at Auch, near Bourdeaux, about a fortnight ago, which demonstrated in alad degree the lamentable effects of jealousy. The accused was an interesting female, - Josephine Dupral, about twenty-two years of age, and who was charged with the murder of her husband, a man twenty-four, to whom. she had been married about eight months, after a mutual attach ment of some standing. Josephine, however, was inclined to jea lousy, and her husband, although not absolutely unfaithful, had frequently,. by his assiduous attention to other females, given her cause to vent her complaints, and accuse him of incon stancy. He seldom took an notice of these reproaches, and only ridiculed her for the unfounded and unjust suspicions to which she abandoned herself. About a month previous to the death of the unfortunate husband, he became acquainted with a young man, whose sister, 18 years of age, was remarkable for her beauty and fascinating manners. Josephine was ac quainted with this young female, although, since her marriage, she had had but few opportunities' of meeting with her. On nne occasion, , however, chance brought them to ; the innocent and unsuspecting girl spoke of the other's husband in terms that raised all the jealous passions irrthe breast of Jose phine. The husband had not informed Josephine that he had even seen or spoken to the young female. She reproached him with his deceitful conduct, and added that she was convincd he had bestowed his affections on her friend. He made no answer to these reproofs, but walked quietly out, of the house, saying that he would return in an hour. He proceeded to the residence of the young girl, for the put pose of cautioning her how she trifled. with, the feelings of his wife, and also to ascertain what conversation had passed between'-'them relating to him. The. young girl was absent from home.: with the intention of waiting her return, he sat down by a table, on which preparations for a dinner for two persons had been made. He had not been in the house more than half an hour, when his wife rushed into the room, frantic ,with passion, and oleserving him sitting at table, apparently waiting for the arrival of his supposed mistress to dine with her, instigated by the demon of jetdousy, seized a knife that was on the table, and plunged it into,his breast. He fell upon the'floor, and expired in two hours. She was un animously found guilty, but without premeditation, and sen tenced to hard labour for lite. • Majority • - - - -- 115 When The Gallery was opened, we found • Mr. HOB1101:0: on his legs, entreating those Hon. Members who had expressed their intention not to suppoft the Suffrage Bill to give their vote for the Catholic Relief Bill. Sir. HUMS: said he formerly declared, when the two ques tions were coupled together, that he would give up the CatbOlic Question, rather than disfranchise the Irish Freeholders, In that view he had wished the Bill then before the House to. tie separated from the Roman Catholic Relief He could not vote for both. W. SMITH had voted on various occasions for the Ca tholic Question, and also for Parliamentary Reform. Ile saw nothing inconsistent in following that course of duty. Colonel JOHNSON could not support the Bill before the House, and as it was coupled with the-Roman Catholic Relief Bill, he felt hiMself bound to vote against that measure on the third reading. Mr. BROUGHAM rose with pain, because he was induced to speak of difference of opinions. If he had any w eight with his Hon. Friend t he M em b er f or D ur h am an d other Hon. Gen tlemen h e s h ou ld recommend them not to con ti n ue the view they had tak e n. If h e f e l t i nc li ne d t o differ from them his hope was that he should meet their. kind 'consideration. He thought a man might vote without any inconsistency for the Bill then before the House, and also support Parliamentary Re form. Like the Hon. Member for Boston, he was against the Bill. H e l am e nte d i t h a d b een cou pled with the Catholic •• EXTRAORDINARY I.,ATASTIIOI.IIE.--,A Coroner's Inquest was on Thursday held at Amersham, on the body of Charles Hollis ' aged 15, who came to his death under the fol lowing extraordinary circumstances :—The lad, it appeared, was employed in the business of a weaver, at his father's house, and having neglected his work in the beginning of the week, and appearing idly inclined on Wednesday, his mother locked him in a room.about nine o'clock, and ordered him to weave seven yards in. the course of the day. At ten o'clock he had wove one yard, but complained of being locked up, and kicked and threatened to break open the door. At 11, his mother went up to him, and asked him if he had got any bobbin, when he said he .would not work ; and she told him that if he did not weave ano ther yard, he should have no dinner. At half-past twelve, his brother' came home -to dinner, and having gone up stairs, looked through the key-hole, and saw the lad smiling, and at work. After the brother had dined, he went up stairs with his sisters; she went into the room, and saw the lad sitting by his loom, but thought he looked ill. She then went to his brother, to make him see what was the matter with him, when the brother, on approaching, saw a cord round his neck. He lifted him up, and took off the cord ' • medical Akistance was i m mediately obtained, but th e poor lad was a corpse, and every means to restore animation was without effect. From the evidence. of the witnesses, who consisted of his own f am ily, there appeared no reason to suspect his sanity ; the attempt was believed : to have been made only for the purpose of exciting alarm. The opinion of the medical men was, that the cord, being very small, had caused strangulation to take place, so quick that the deceased had no power to recover him self. The Jury, on this evidance, unanimously agreed, that the deceased had no intention of committing suicide, and re = turned a verdict—" Accidental death, by his Own hands." On Sunday morning, as a mechanic was arg ling in the Regent's Canal, near the Rosemary Branch, he observed a bundle floating in the water, and on drawing it to land, discovered that it contained the body of an Infant, but a few days old. From the appearance of the child, it could not have been long dead. It was at first carried to Mr. Heath's, a surgeon, residing in Hoxton, but as the vital spark was to tally extinct, the body was by his directions conveyed to Shore ditch church, till a Coroner's Jury could be. summoned to exa mine into the cause of its death. WEST INDIA DOCKS. STOCK ACCOUNT for the Week ending Saturday, the 7th of illay, 1825. A rti cles. I lIHs 1 %Vest India iTrs , Bls Sugar I Brazil . Chests u ll a a s s t 'a i n n a d h ia sc BBo a x gs es • Mauritiusl Molasics . - - ‘ Casks Ruin -_ - { P " S . il ds Brandy - - f Pn 3 lids Ilollands - - i Pns t Ills Arrack - - Casks Wine - - ' ( Pipes -Inds Trs Coffee - Bls Bags Casks Do. British Plantation. His Bags Do. East India - - • Bags Brazil, St. Domingo, Casks and II avannah, do. r s l ag3 Cocoa - - Casks 1 Bags 5 viasao.ksk. Pimento Cask t l - 3 ' I T Ginger . Casks Pepper * Batesa Bags Cotton GooTd, Aloes - Arrow Root Casks BOXel - oxes 1 Ja r s Balsam - Casks BSemi:Bark Btlls Bags Cassia Fistula - Casks Cloves - - j Casks 1 Bags Cochineal . f Bags t Serom Elephants' Teeth No. tasks Gum Hemp Hides - : I , NTo Boxeso i:s H I n o d r i ri g s o 1 - No. S ero n Ipecacutnlut - f Casks 1 Bags Jalap - - Bales Oil { C I l a ri t a o l r e .-.- , Casks Gal ls Coco Nut Casks Palm - - Casks Pearl Shell - f Casks Serous Pine Apple - Casks Rice and Paddy 11 Casks .Bags Sago - Box es Sarsaparilla - Bales Tallow - - Casks Tortoise Shell J Casks Boxes Turtle - Casks WOOD. ( Logs Mahogany - Pieces 1 Plks &Bds Cedar ... I Logs Pea & Plks African Timber f Lo g s 1 Pieces Santa Maria f Logs 1, Pieces Ebony . Tons Lig. Vita - Tons Box Wood Tons Log Wood Tons Fustic - Tons Nicaragua Wood Tons Cam Wood Tons Bar Wood Tons Pieces Brazilletto • 'bons Saunders Wood I'ieces I.ancewood Spars No. Staves - No. Delivered. II ont e 1 Exporta- Con suntption. tion. Stock on Hand. 17,668 902 - 294 1,213 8,696, 16,342 703-, 18,537 1,125 270' 66 / 4_, • 1,284 885 12,079 1,882 175,309 11,127 1,148 4,210 . 1,742 . 952 734 69,357 1,353 3,512. .38 6,M7 5,058 157 543' 4,616 43 4 63 514 221. t 22,361 16,993 260 22 43 29 519 3,304 34 3,157 12,89! 910 4460 2,262 13 238 26 5,5961 1,400 i 39 0 t 126* 394 7,000 051 6,423 4,505 - 31,953 P 0 P E It Y Extract from GILPIN'S Lye of Archbishop CRANMEn. The foundation of POPERY was laid in a disre' gard to the Bible, and an overweening attachment to tradithm e and unscriptural ceremonies. As the apostacy ripened, the Scriptures were neglected ; and at length, when - arrived to its height, they were utterly discarded, being absolutely forbit l 4 ° to be read by the common peopla in their own language. t )/1 the contrary, by what means was the glorious Reforrnati°l/ effected ? Was it not by translating, exposing, and preachi o the Scriptures ? When Archbishop CRANMER'S edition 0( the Bible was printed in 1538, arid fixed to a desk in all the Parochial Churches, the ardour with which men flocked tO ref it is incredible. They who could, prozured. it ; and they wit ° could not, crowded to read it, or to hear it read in Churches' where it was common to se: little assemblies of mechani c° meeting together for that purpose, after the labour of the day' many even learned to read in their . old age, that they mig ht have the pleasure of instructing themselves from the Scripture ! ' Mr. Fox mentions two apprentices, who joined each his Atock, and bought a Bible, which at every interval of leisole they read; but being afraid of their master, who was a zealot s Papist, they kept it under the straw of their bed. Such was the ecatacy of joy.with which this- - blessing was received At tha t time when it was uncommon. -) • DREADFUL SUlClDE. —Yesterday mo r n ing a shocking instance of self-destruction took street, Blackfriars-road, which has agitated the wholaneio_ bourhood. About six o'clock in the morning Mr. Sx.nlar - " repectable surgeon and chymist, in extensive practice, , was -4115 - covered in his bed-room, with his throat cut in a frightful rrlti" ncr. The deceased had been for some length of timelabourns under considerable menial irritability, which lia!I principally by the death of his wife, 'which event Occurred erl years ago. Some days-before his death, the deceased Wa 3 l unwell, and •on Sunday night he complained of being esc.,efd sively ill, and exhibited symptoms of high fever, accomP arn by evident detangement of mind, which induced a gentlerc,f lace in Charlotte street, assistant, to remain sitting up with .him nearly the l i d" f e the night. On the assistant's leaving the room for the purpol of attending to a patient, it appeared the unfortunate deceas.,“. availed himself of the opportunity of his absence, and couill'ijs ted suicide ; for in the course of a very short time oiler s ' /a: w i n Miss Sibree, the'sister of the decPa,ed, who resided with and managed his domestic concerns, on going into her bro,thfcr:. room about six o'clock to administer some medicine, Wits 6 ' l° ,4y ed on beholding him lying on the bed, with hisestrtiVee, severed from his .body, and the razor with which had b e stroyed himself lying by his side. It is impossible to des She the feelings of the young - lady since the fatal catastrophe. h°a'!,, has several violent fits; arid the Inquest, which wmi ld ill taken place yesterday, was postponed in consequence of her o _ „ ness. The deceas e d, w h o was a w id ower , has left three,yo Par' oc t daf meeting took place y-- er when morning on Wimbledon Common, between a Mr. F- ---1 ` n a Mr. S-E. Mr. S. was slightly wounded in the armiv"e the affair terminated. • 1 9' 1. 29 1,776 107 65 260 7 4 4 17 9 1 3 82 .14 13 158 1,257 11 129 1 Ja~', 2O