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\, '.!-P':". 4, t~i%r~ iti4l OZ hO farti; NUMBFR 10,191. EAST INDIA HOUSE, May 4, 1845. THE COURT of DIRECTORS of the UNITED COMPANY of MERCHANTS of ENG LAND TRADING to the EAST INDIES, do hereby give Notice, That the COURT will be ready to receive PROPOSALS in writing, on or before WEDNESDAY, the 18th May In- . *taut, from the Owners of SHIPS recently engaged by•the Court for a Voyage out to Bengal, and also for a Voyage out to Bombay, specifying the rate of Freight per ton at which they may be willing to LET their SHIPS to proceed from these Presidencies to CHINA, to bring a Cargo of Teas from thence-on the Company's account. The 'fenders, with the words "Ship Tender" on the cover, 10 be severally sealed up and left with the Secretary, at this Horse, at or before Twelve o'CloCk at Noon, on the said lath May instant, beyond which hour no Tender will be re ceived. PETER. AUBER, Assistant Secretary. The Particulars of the Terms and Conditions under which the Ships will be employed, may be had upon application at the Office of the Cie►!: to the Committee of Shipping, at this House. GROUND-RENT COMPANY. ,GROUND -RENT COMPANY.—Capital ‘"'" 239,000/. sterling, in Shares of 251. each ; Deposit 27. per Share. This Company has been established for the safe, solid, and Profitable employment of Capital in " The Creation of Ground rents and Reversionary Interests," by the purchase of or taking an Lease, Freehold, Copyhold, and Leasehold Land ; and allotting and letting the same on Building Leases, for the ad vance of Capital to the Tenants of the Company, in aid of their building operations; and for the Purchase of Original and Unproved Ground-rents and Reversionary Property, absolute or contingent.—Applications for the remaining Shares may b e made by letters, post paid, addressed to " The Committee of Management," at the Offices of Messrs. Andrews and Clift, 28 , Great W - inchester-street; or 13, Holborn-court, Gray's 11111 ' The Committee of Management are ready to receive proposal s f or the purchase of Land and S i tes o f Groun d i n eli gible situations, for building purposes. By Order of the Board, J. A. \YOOLRYCII, Secretary. 14EWC ASTLE-UPON-TYNE AND CARLISLE RAIL- ROAD. Newcastle-upon-Tyne, May 7,1825. Til t sUBSCRIPTION LIST being now P ' dis q etio t l LLED, the B oar d o f Di rec to rs , in the exercise of the Pqi o d h ary power confided to them, , feel that the proper ° ll t 1 ,0 3 a rnved for convening a GENERAL MEETING to the i1 u ' 1.4 1 ,,, 1 t ELIO 14D ERS for the purpose of adding twelve (4)6lParh, tuber of Directors, and appointing the Officers of thel d at th e -I ,k,"atd they therefore appoint such meeting to be he TURIIr„EiVIIII,Y-ROOMS, in NEWCASTLE, on SA the afterll' the 21 s t d ay of MAY i nst. at ONE o ' c l oc k i n th e the 3Tl ' vein a rely that the Shareholders at Carlisle and in London, don e, with them in the propriety of fixing, as they have • , this m eeti Jority in --_ _in em to be held at Newcastle—a . great ma- of the Sti7-ir t, sttid a still greater majority in . number hood, and itiolders reside there, and in the neighbour who are capableuP"' the of on and vigilant superint d s pot that gentlemen must be sought to the execution. of the work that active proprietors. en ance so essential to the interests of the under the Subscribers to the extent of Thirty Shares will, zierofstlexexristi.ng regulat . ions of the Company have an opportu an the y ess In g their sentiments by proxy at the meeting, Lcuifrßoard of Directors request of the Shareholders in el i 0 ,, eneranY, that they will by letter addressed to Messrs tirtayton, Scott, and Clat !I Lincoln's Inn, on or before Thur - 9, the I9th inst. signify with the object of ° their feelings on any subject connected the meeting, which ma do with a per feetthey y assuranc e t h at their wishes will receive due a ttention fro Shareholders in th e N ort h . The Directors will likewise feel obliged by any co mmun i cat i on addresse d to them on tl subject by the Shareholders at Carlisle. It is proposed, That at th e mee ti ng to b e held on the 21st inst the'following appointments do take place:— Twelve additional Directors, to form with the twelve already elected, the General Board. Two Trustees, in whose names the funds of the Company shall be invested until applied. Three Auditors. T ne or more Engineers. he B an k ers of the Company nt Newcastle, at Carlisle, and i n London. The election will be proceeded in at two o'clock precisely ; 411 'lit is prop er t h at the Shareholders should be apprised that ...__ ,i -eposits on sh ares must b e prev i ous l y paid- HOWISON'S NEW WORK ON INDIA, &c. tilautifully pri n t e d, i n 2 vo l s . pos t Bvo, 15s. boards, OREIGN SCENES and TRAVELLING • RECREATIONS. By JOHN HOWISON, Esq. „ ri Of the Honourable E as t India Company's Service. i t 7:nted for Oliver an d B o yd, Edinburgh ; and Geo. 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Admis , ion ts.—Catalogue The Subscribers to the Print from Mr. West's Pictitte of •, Our Saviour Healing the Sick iif the Temple," who have not already received their Impressions, may receive them upon payment of the Remainder of their z4ubscriptions, at the British Institution daily. PO be DISPOSED OF',an ESTABLISHED NEWSPAPER in IRELAND, producing 1,600/. per Annum clear.—Will be Sold for a sum of Money, and An nuity, or a Sum.of Money only. Proposals will be received by J. K. Johnston and Co., No. 1, Eden Quay, Dublin. OAK BARK, TIMBER, and CORDWOOD. DEAN FOREST, and HIGH MEADOW ESTATE, GLOU- CESTERSH [RE. TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION. By Order of the Right. Hon." -- (:HARLES ARBUTHNOT, WM. DACRES ADAMS, and HENRY DAWKINS, Esqrs. Commissioners of his Majesty's Woods, Forests, ntul Land Revenues, By RICHARD WHITE and SON, at the BEAR INN, NEWNHAM, on TUESDAY, the 17th of May, 1845, be- tween the hours of 'Twelve and Two, in sever a l Lots, THE BARK of THREE HUNDRED and NINETY OAK TIMBER TREES, felled for the Use of the Navy, and rwo HUNDRED and THITY-NNE DITTO, felled for Sale in His Majesty's Forest of And the BARK of 185 SNI ALL OAK TIMMER TREES, Felled on a pact of the High Meadow Estate, the property of the Crown, situated in the Pariihes of Newland and Stanton. Also, Sundry Lots of TIMBER and CORDWOOD, now lying in the said Forest. and upon the said Estate. _ _ For a view of thr Lots in the Forest, apply to Mr. Dud geon, Assistant Deploy Sin weyor, Ellwood Farm, near Cote. lord; or to the Keepers and Woodmen of the said Forest and of those on the High Meadow Estate, to Mr. Turnbull, of Braceland. T HIRTY -FL RST MAY ALIA N ()NE DAY! Two Prizes of Two TWO And Twenty ether Capitals.—No Blanks. Tictiets and Shares for the :!hove Grand Lottery are on Sale at E Y 'l' 0 N'S Lucke Office, 2, Cornhill ; Who sold No. 8,185.. lon (Class B) in last Lottery; also, Na. 25...£9.5 (Class B.) Ail Business in Brills!, and Foreign Securities, Fire, Bridge, Gas, Canal, and Mine Shares, bought and sold by Connuis•ion PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 10. Mr. MANSFIELD, and other Members from the House of Commons, brought up several Private Bills, which were read a first time. Mr. OSBO n NE, from the Commissioners of the Margate Pier, presented certain accounts. CATHOLIC CLAIMS. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented Petitions against the Claims of the Catholics from a parish in the West Riding of York, and from the parish of St. John, Westminster. Earl GROSVENOR adverted to a petition from the Island of Portland, presented on a tinnier evening by the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack; and observed, that petitions against the Claims of the Catholics were got up without any person being found to father them. A petition against the Ca tholics had been presented from the large and populous town of Manchester, but he understood from good authority that it spoke the sentiments of only a very small portion of the inha bitants. He (Lord Grosvenor) had now to present a petition in favour of the Catholics from this important town, and it gave him peculiar pleasure so to do. The Noble Earl then presented a Petition in favour of Catholic Emancipation from the town of Manchester. The LORD CHANCELLOR said; that after the explana tion he had given relative to the petition from Portland, he had hoped either that the Noble Earl would have dropped the sub ject, or would have given notice of his intention to allude to it. lie (the Lord Chancellor) could only repeat, that the petition in question had been sent up to 111 r. Bankes, with a request that it might be given to him (the Lord Chancellor) to present. He could further say, that the Noble Earl might have an op portunity of correcting him, if he were wrong, when the prin cipal question came to be discussed, that the people of Eng land were never so unanimous in opposing the measure of Ca. tholic Emancipation as at the present moment. The Bishop of LINCOLN presented a petition against the Catholics from several parishes in the diocese of Lincoln. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a petition to the same effect from the Protestant Dissenters of Gate-street Chapel, Lincoln's Inn-fields. The petitions were laid upon the table. EQUITABLE LOAN BILL. Lord SUFFIELD presented a petition in favour of the Equitable Loan Rill, from the town of Oldham, in Lanca shire. Lord DACRE presented a petition to the same effect from Leicester. The petition, the Noble Lord stated, was agreed to at a public meeting, at which the Mayor presided. Lord DACRE then presented a similar petition from the Merchants of the City of London. . _ _ After some conversation between Lord DAcnE and the Earl of LAUDERDALE. the second reading of the Equitable Loan Bill was fixed for Thursday week. The petitions were then laid upon the table. CORN LAWS. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented a petition from Totness, praying for a revision of the Corn Laws. Lord SUFFIELD presented petitions from several hundreds in the county of Norfolk, against any alteration in the Corn Laws. The Noble Lord observed, that the petitions were re. spectfully worded, and were well worthy the attention of their Lordships. He hoped beibre the question was agitated the landholders would get rid of their groundless alarm. Viscount MELVILLE presented a petition against any al teration in the Corn Laws, from the Clergy of the Church of Scotland assembled at Perth. _ . The petitions were laid upon the table.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF' COMMONS. This being the day appointed for thithird reading of the Roman Catholic Relief Bill, the avenue leading to the gallery was crowded at an early hour.—At four o'clock Mr. SPEAKER took the Chair. Mr. GLA DSTONE presented a petition from the Merchants of Edinburgh and Leith Water Works Bill. Mr. SYKES presented a petition from the Ship Owners of Hull, in favour of the Hull Docks Bill. Mr. MONCK presented a petition from Benjamin Mills, praying for an alteration in the Poor Laws.—Laid on the table. A return was brought up and laid on the table, relative to the rate of labourers' wages, as ordered by a Committee of the House. _ The annual return of the accounts of the Margate Pier Com pany was presented and laid on the table. Mr. MONTEITH presented a petition from Glasgow, against the Clyde Navigation bill.—Referred to a Committte on the said Bill. Mr. GORDON presented a petition from certain inhabitants of Henley-upon-Thames, against the Basingstoke Canal Bill. m r . HURST presented a petition from the Duke of Nor folk,against the Sheffield Ro a d Bill . —Ordered to be laid on Mr. BURRELL presented a p et i t i on from certain inhabi tants of Brighton a gainst _ the Bri g h ton I mprovement Bill. thet abi ,tilt. A. CAMPBELL presented a petition from the Provost and Council of Dumbarton, against the Clyde Navigation Act; y Counsel against the Bill. bock. Referred to the Corn r-eatyiteiodntofrbome h o ea r r e d en Also a sun d Bill. 'ttee on the sat " Mr. CA the petition i e la rs r RTWRIGHT presented a petition from the Ali. Churchwardens of Stefferton, in th e C ounty of And an» ton, against any further con cess i on to the Catholics. i nter h Sir E• , A TcuBuLL presented a peti t i on f rom certain 6 the inhabitants of Manchester were favourable to Catholic Emancipation. Mr. PEEL, said, he did not think it advisable to trouble the House with any details about the various petitions which he presented on the great question of Catholic Emancipation, as he held no correspondence with the petitioners, and did not ex ercise the slightest controul over their judgments. But the terms in which the present petition had been spoken of by the Hon. Gentleman, required a brief explanation from him. He did not introduce it as the petition of the inhabitants of Man chester ; he merely said, that it was the petition which the Hon. Member could not deny—" of certain undersigned inha bitants in the town and neighbourhood of ill ancliester."—( Hear, hear !)—lt was not adopted at a public meeting ; but the fault did not lie with the petitioners. Certain of them applied to the Boroughreeve of Manchester for leave to convene a public meeting ; and that officer advised them not to take that step.— ( Hear !)—He admitted that boys had signed the petition; but this had originated in the designs of certain individuals, in order to induce the House to receive it with distrust.— (Hear, hear!) Sir T. LETHBRIDGE observed, that the public meeting which adopted the opposite petition was attended by such a body of Catholics that it was net possible for any pesons who opposed their wishes to obtain admittance.—( Hear !) Mr. B. WILBRAHAM said, the Magistrates of Lanca shire maturely and firmly thought that the granting of the Catholic Claims would be injurious to the interests of the country. Mr. PEEL and Mr. Puitirs mutually explained. Lord APSLEY said, the petition, whether subscribed at a public meeting, or by persons in their individual capacity, was equally entitled to the consideration of the House. • Lord STANLEY was surprised that the Magistrates should have subscribed the petition in their judicial character. It was not the custom of the Gentlemen who sat on the Bench to pur sue the course which they had taken, and therefore it was with pain and regret he saw that they had swerved from that prac tice on this important question, which related to the peace and tranquillity of the empire, and the happiness and content of so large a portion of its subjects. All of the above petitions were read, and ordered to be printed. Lord STANLEY presented a petition from certain Inha bitants in Manchester, which was adopted at a public meeting convened on the authority of the boroughgreeve and constable of the town. After a few words from Mr. PHILIPS and General Gas- COYNE, the petition was ordered to be printed. Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Iteport of the Thrown Silk Repeal Bill, which was read and agreed to. The further consideration of the Reports of the Customs Laws. Repeal Bill, the Board of Customs Management Bill, the Navigation Laws Bill, the Smuggling Preventive Bill, the Goods Warehousing Bill, the Customs Regulatiun Bill, and the Isle of Man Trade Bill, was postponed to Monday next. _ _ _ The further consideration of the Report of the Irish Exche quer Bills Bill was postponed to Friday next. Sir F. BURDETT presented a petition from the Parish of Ardcrony, in the barony of Lower °monde- county of Tip perary, in favour of the Roman Catholic claims. The petition, the Hon. Bart. observed, was signed indiscriminately by Pro testants and Catholics, and afforded a strong proof of that spirit of conciliation which was beginning to make its appearance in Ireland, and which would he trusted be soon diffused through out the whole of that country. The petition was ordered to be printed. HERRIES brought in a bill to provide for the purchase of the remaining customs and immunities of the Isle of Man, and also any reserved sovereign rights which may be vested in his Grace John Duke of Athol.—Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Friday next. Mr. HERMES brought in a bill for the Registry of British vessels.—Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Friday next. CATHOLIC RELIEF BILL. 31r. CURWEN moved the Order of the Day, for the third reading of the Roman Catholic Relief Bill. The Hon. Men,- her said he should express very shortly his opinion upon the question. It had been said that the majority of the people of this country were hostile to the measure; but, in the county which he had the honour to represent, he had the satisfaction of knowing that there was a great preponderance of feeling in favour of granting the rights of the Roman Catholics. fie ap prehended no danger from passing the present Bill ; but, on the contrary, he believed the country would gain increased se curity, and the Church increased strength, by removing the ex clusive distinctions now in existence. Knowing how much the great body of the Protestant Clergy were to be respected, he could not help regretting to see them opposed to the granting of these indulgencies to the Catholics. He visited Ireland with many prejudices, which were completely removed by the expe rience he acquired in communicating with the people. There was no people, he believed, on the face of the earth, in whom the social affections were stronger than in the Irish. The Hon. Member then de,cribed a change from feelings of animosity to those of union and concord in a t own i n I re l an d, arising from reciprocal kindness and forbearance between the different re ligious classes ; and said that if one of the " No Popery" gen tlemen chalkers ventured to appear there, he would be hooted out of the place. He should cordially vote for the third read ing of the Bill. Sir R. INGLIS commenced by observing, that a change in the spirit of the Church of Rome had been contended for by those who supported this measure, but that he could see no thing in the evidence given before the Committee which war ranted the belief that any such change bad been effected. He be lieved that spirit to beunchanged and unchangeable. The church of Rome had been the persecutor and enemy of all the great masters of the human mind, and continued to this day her sys tem of proscription against every thing calculated to extend the progress of knowledge and reason. Ile held in his hand a list of the books now proscribed in the south of Europe where the Catholic religion still retained its influence. The works of ' Bacon, which were proscribed in the year 1669, remained so still. This was fifty years after their publication, so that it must be supposed their existence had not been known for that period. Perhaps, in the course of fifty years hence, when the names of Dugald Stewart or William Paley should also get to be heard in those countries, they too would he placed under the ban of Roman Catholic proscription. The Hon. Member then enumerated among the works proscribed in Catholic States—Locke on the Human Understanding,Milton's Paradise Lost, Copernicus (alluding to the revival of the sentence of Galileo) the Newtonian Philosopher, the Jurists, Grotius and Puffendorf, Fenelon, Pascal, and others. Could it then be said that the spirit of the Church of Rome had changed when she continued the persecution of every great master of the hu man mind, and when an excellent library might be formed from the books which she proscribed :--(llear, hear !)-11e thoutrbt it was clear, then, that upon whatever ground this Jill might he supported, it could not stand upon that of a change of spirit in the Roman Catholic Church. Thelate Pope had beeti called the most Protestant Pope that ever sat in the chair, and he had always professed to be grateful to the English for the resto. ration of the works of art, and for their other services in wrest ing the Continent from the grasp of its Tyrant. Vet, when he was applied to by the English Residents in Rome for leave to perform the Protestant worship in a chapel of their own, he could not stem the torrent of intolerance with all his power, but was obliged to refuse them. The English Protestants were and amongst others allowed to perform their worship in one of their own drawing rooms ; but they were not recognised, there way no toleration, answer was this:— they were only allowed to do so by connivance. When the e ~t(eti(3lri welfares t same Pope was a prisoner in the heart of France, in the hands de mandedt n ce e r t d a e i n mt o r al e ne g rda u st l i ai ln i n o t n r oa s rl loafwIl(0-:10.sehvl ieigprinsoi,,nnhsea.) shall be Theelie,o,l rsbips, of the then Ruler of that Empire, whose character was suffi ciently well known, the Emperor wished to obtain his assent as of w S it t l a l te n s e , l a i n al d .. t , h — e t e h ( o o i a c t I nt - c c; :111,erecrhoeni was r e a a t s r i y s t it was said beneath : its ruins---( o to s a i n tc d re i t f l temple of the Con stitution theia n contrary o t c t the Religion,oll s oangsntitpaorhtirnetyt to ro:aaforrtylihtiohnte, tranquillity and happiness of the human ralehee.: reli g u i r i n i n ri d i ra b ei i t nle i Yd n obtained Hear 1 ) — quest l ntay roved ould nd to power was re ' a s i l ; h t n ei l e A r o t i u :s ts l a la e' i n o iw t rs n i e r u epel a, foritehtirwtiao•riteuyt pull et i wasiel' spirit l lw i v b ne e s r t t y h In new Governments and States where this the ascendancy, nothing of its old spirit of intolerance wasie and eentendins. that the inOn . speeches and writing's of Dr. Doyle and cognised. Every Deputy was compelled to swear to maintain cognised. In the Cortes of Spain its exclu s i ve the Holy Catholic Apostolic and Rom an Religion, and to o e ntrasting Ahem with their evidence'betbre prohibit every other. The same forms were observed in the new State of Mexico. The Honourable Member then read i p i as r s . a o ge l s ;o f i r l o n n el i I, tl the ConaMiztee of the Uouse, PRICE SBVENPF.tic;I",,,, sistency entirely destroyed the value Of the latter. Wfie lieved that the obtaining 'of the Catholic Claima ivai'hkt Erie real object in the hearts'of those by viliotti- Such put forward. In a former investigation-upon the . 'Stlbject'?l, Dr. M'Nevin was . asked—" Do: you think the Penifie' 1t - land land care this penos this drop of ink Within it;' &PAR. , lie Claims ?" His -answer was •" No."' A nother wilt ws similar evidence upon lire point. Oliver Biind beingiitatitinea t4 - r : said that the United Irishmen were associated for tlieiii&e' obtaining liefonn, and not Catholic Etnaricipatitin. Miami being asked—" Did the people care for -reforni .?" replifiß " ; but those who- thought for theM did: Se the* 414 now thought for the people came forward al Attain objects • and to do it wou ld not h es it a te to . ralSen - siortii'vibleit they afterwards might be unable to Ode. If thilneaatiri*S7 i i4 one of justice he should be ashanied to refttielf'niSiin'itii ground of expediency. If it could be shewn • tohliN tkat the power sought by the Catholics was an abstract right, 3rnefi AK all the subjects of the realm were eittitle&to under paitieular statutes, then never would - oppose it litifri''ahy.apprehetaion of the consequences of c o n cess i on . ProteetiOri 50as the right dill, but power the right of no man.' "He agreed with' hiallOo. Friend; the Member for C,orfe Castle;'that the COnatitutinit'sjas. a system of exclusions a nd se c u rities. And thi s excluSionliP' peared to him to be the only security for the .protection' of the established Protestant institutions of the country, - Heiair thing - to change the opinions which he had entertained in vate for the last twenty years, and' he should accordingly. vote against the third reading of the Bill. Mr. T WISS said, that although the opponents'of the measure had mainly rested their argument upon the unalternblechatae- ter of the Penal L a w s , an d notwithstanding the remarkable theory of the Hon. Member for Corte Castle,' that the genius of our Constitution was exclusive , --upon what branch of the question had they hitherto,teinained unanswered. With the indulgence of the House,/ he would address 'hirisself to that which to him appeared one of the main topics involved in the question. It must be recollected that the s e-disqu a lific a ti o n s from holding offics were not imposed upon the Catholics until the time of Charles the Second. It was true that long befbte that, certain severe penalties had been axed by statute against Popish recusants.' But Lord Bacon lied said, that every na. torah born subject possessed competencies and abilities to fill all offices in the State. At the end of the reign of Charles the Second, however, in the apprehension and terror ex cited by the Popish plot, tests were enacted which excluded Papists from Seats in Parliament, for the purpose, as the preamble stated, of rendering effective " divers good laws against Popery," meaning the penalties against recusancy. and of guarding against the danger with which the Protestant ascendancy was menaced. Now these were exactly the laws which they were told must be held inviolate—which must be kept sacred, and which were unapproachable by the rude hand of change. But what were these " divers good laws against Popery," for whose enforcement the preamble of the Test Acts declared them to be passed? Something. no doubt, which they were bound constantly to support—something which they ought affectionately to cherish—something which they must piously revere ! No : they were the very penalties which bad been repealed and swept away by the Act of 1791, the celebrat ed 31st of George lll.—(Hear. hear !)—lt was true, another reason was put forward, and that was the dan g er. But grant ing that the danger then apprehend e d was *reef; admitting that both the Popish plots were real, how could that argument Le applied to a state of things like the present ? If he were toll that the subsequent Acts passed in the reign of William, When the same immediate danger no longer existed, his answer was . , that the Protestant succession was still but doubtfully. blished ; that every Catholic was supposed to be devoted_ to James; and that the tests were intended to detect the .I:ice.. bite in the Catholic. But here they were told they stepped on Constitutional ground, and were warned off as trespassers upon the Constitution. Now, as he understood the spirit of the Constitution, it was intended to grant to the subject aslargo a share of civil rights as could be permitted consistently with the necessary strength and power of the Government. He.be, lieved it to be the peculiar nicety with which our Constitution effected that object, that rendered it the best form of Govern •ment the world had ever seen. He did not mean to say that there must be no exceptions to this principle in times of public danger, and under particular emergencies. But when he looked at the population of Ireland; and was told that the ex ception applied to five millions of men, and the rule to one ; then he would say that either the rule became the exception, or that the principle of' the Constitution was violated. They were not to he called upon, because a code of laws had been passed to suit the circumstances of 1815 or 1688, a° perpetuate a system which shut out five millions ofpeaple from the Constl= anion, and gave franchise only to one million. Upon those who argued for such a state of thing,., he would retort the charge of unconstitutional tendency, and thfy them to prove it con sistent with any principle of the Constitution. If the authors of these Penal Laws could look upon the altered circumstances of the country, who would venture to say that they would pose their continuance? Let not the llouse; therefore be poring over the letter of their law, but examine the spirit o!' their Legislation. • Would it be said that all the laws.not pealed at the Revolution, or all those enacted by its anthOr4 were to perpetual and unalterable ? That would be tOo'ninSti for the loosest understanding. They had already been altered from time to time, until more had been taken away than Watt left standing. What then became of the honour with' whzeh the opponents of this measure pretended to view any alteratinrt' of the acts of our ancesters. What idea of the - Constitiniim would be entertained by the civilized world, it' it went forth that one of its effiorts was to prevent the transmission of those natiniii advantages of' merit from the ancestor to his progeny ? was, therefore, a stignia upon the country, that the only survivorii . of the Barons who obt a i ne d M agna Charia, werefourCatholic Peers now excluded from the civil privileges of theState.--(Hearl)=-Ile lately heard it saidby an Hon. Member, that he approhendediht, admission of the Catholics would be productive of simile results to that exhibited in the Popish Parliament of Tyra:Moen:ln which but a few Protestants were suffered to remain, and `in which the majority of Catholics upheld effectually the intereat of their religion. Now the inference he drew from - this fact was, that a handful of Catholics in thi s P ro t estant . Parliament would have no injurious effect either upon the State or the EMS.' blishment.—(Hear !)—Let not Hon. Members talk of conced.' •• ing those claims now to fear. At present there was riotluot to dread ; but if a war sprung up, then danger indeed would-ar rive, and then he plainly told the House Emancipation would be granted in consequence of that danger. For these and other • similar reasons he congratulated the Hon. Baronet wh6 duced this Bill on the time he chose for it, as well as for the judgment with which it was brought forward. Unless the' were prepared to say that no ' time would he expedient for 'the settlement of' the Catholic Question, a more auspicioint peiiiiet for concluding the measure could not arrive than the preselit. Ile concluded by quoting an extract from the wearable of lac of Edward VI. in favour of Religious Toleration: -•- Mr. HART DAVIS opposed the Bill. By: the 'CnnStifii. tiit,wanasd from yhant proposition, ecessa rytlmt i the appeared eKin u gshou o l testant an roes i. table corollary that the Parliament and Council should be testant also. Neither was the Roman . Catholic religion so sub. Missive, that if those who professed it once poasessed . powe r, they would not encroach upon the eatablish men ta of the country - . After twenty years, he confessed he still feared the Catholics,' and should vote against the Bill, confident that he was - set-44 the best interests of' the country. Mr. C. GRANT observed on rising, that this question h:od . been so amply discusied during the present Session, thae' it would be in vain for him - to hope that he could offer' any think new to the House. He could not help regretting,' however, - that it had been so slightly argued with reference to the peace_ and tranquillity of Ireland, which, in his opinion, was thetriie ground on which the subject rested. He had . not had thegOoti fortune to hear the whole of the speech of the HOnoUt. able Baronet (Sir H. Inglia); but ' in the part of it whick he did hear, he was sorry to discover so little relative' rpm the real state of Irelancl-.'-for he wished his Honourable' Friend, instead of dwelling upon extrinsic 'circumstances, b4t; .grappled with the real essence of 'the h6w Parliament was to deal with that country in its actual situsitiont,' —(Hear, hear )—Whoever had looked into' the Histiory Of ire s' land for the last forty years, and viewed' that pint of the:United: Kingdom as the strong arm of the empire, could not aignith;s; question, unless with reference to the state of that island.' (Hear !)—From the manner, however, in : which the opponents of the measure discussed it, he must believe they neyer , seil., ously dwelt -on that consideration.. It watt said, that they would concede a silk gown to a Catholic Barrister; end . some other privileges of a like inferiority,: but he asked, when Mx millions of our fellow-subjects canoe to demand - the're4to. ration of their rights at the Ba r of 'Parliament, was 'an offer of such concessions the way 'to meet theirargumenis fairly? •He' was also told, that if Hon: Gentlemen' believed Emancipatii6ac would effect the peace and Iranqitilliii.iitltelanti, they waive their icruples to attain that object. But this WAS inverting' WEDNESDAY EVENING, MAY 11, 1825. inhabitants of Maidstone, praying that some regulations should take place relative to their Elective Franchise. Sir J. OWEN presented a petition from Pembroke against any further concessions to the Roman Catholics. 11Ir. F. CLINTON presented a similar petition from the Rector of St. Peter's, Wes tminster. —Ordered to be printed. Mr. HUME postponed his motion relative to Sierra Leone to the 24th inst. Mr. J. DOH ERTY, in the absence of the Right lion. Se cretary for Foreign Affairs, presented a petition from the Pro testants of the county of Galway, in favour of the Catholic Claims. It was signed, amongst others, by the Marquis of Sligo, the Earl of Clanricarde, and other equally respectable persons. Mr. V. FITZGERALD bore testimony to .the respecta bility of the petitioners. There was not a respectable Pro testant in the county of Galway 4which was admitted a Roman Catholic county), who did not sign this petition. Such a pe tition did honour to the hea r t s and heads of those who forwarded it to this House. Mr. DOMINICK BROWNE Was satisfied that the same kind feeling prevailed throughout the Protestant Gentry of Ireland. Mr. J. DOHERTY begged leave to state the number of petitions in favour of and against the Catholic Claims. From Ireland there were but nine petitions against the claims ; and in favour of concession, no less than eighteen. This was a small number of petitions, but yet it shewed the feeling which now prevailed. The Catholics never could be conciliated, if the Protestants were not secured ; and now he thought the time had arrived when concession could be granted with every safety to the State. Mr. S. RICE said, that there was a growing feeling in Ire land, in favour of Emancipation. The evidence taken up stairs and the votes in this House proved the fact. The great mass of the Irish Representatives were in favour of this measure, and if British interest and feeling defeated it, it would certainly tend to weaken that necssary connection which ought to subsist between the two countries. Mr. BUTTER WORTH said, that many Protestants in Ire land had subscribed Catholic petitions, not from regard, but through intimidation. Mr. FITZGERALD, as an Irish Gentleman, took upon himself broadly to deny the truth of a statement, which the Hon. Member could have learnt only by hearsay. The Pro testants in Ireland were in favour of Emancipation ; and every fresh discussion obtained for that measure new friends. The Representatives of the people were in favour of the measure, whatever its fate might be in another House. Lord ALTHORPE said, that the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Butterworth) had an opportunity of putting the Committee in possession of any threats which might have been used to obtain signatures.—(Cries of hear, hear I)—Several Protestant Gentle men were examined by the Committee, and he was sure that, although they were favourable to Emancipation, no threat had been used to get at their evidence. Mr. SYKES said the authority of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Butterworth's) statement ought to be given ; and if the infor mation was derived through a letter, it ought to be read. Mr. ROBERTSON contended that many persons who voted for Emancipation, might now vote against it, when coupled with the Bill for disfranchising so many thousands of the Irish people. Sir J. NEWPORT observed, that it was very easy to pro duce anonymous correspondence, but he thought that such a correspondence ought not to be put into competition with the fair and open testimony given to the Committee, not only by respectable gentlemen but by Members of this House. Mr. BUTTERWORTII did not make his statement on light grounds. He had sent a circular letter—(Hear, hear !) tomanype had rso fallen fromasinlrel him. d,a l ndironi _ respectable authority lie stated what Mr. J. DOHERTY said, that he also had received several letters on this subject frpm persons not influenced by him to state their opinions.—(dear, near!)—All these letters came from persons formerly in opposition to emancipation, but who ware now most anxious that that great questiorr should be set at rest for ever. Mr. 111. FITZGERALD said, that the Protestants of Gal way were not to be intimidated. But if persons opened a shop to receive higotted contributions—(l-fear, hear !)—they would find very many ready to fill up their shops. He himself owed much to his constituents, who were neither to be intimidated nor cajoled. The Protestants of Ireland knew the despicable sources from which anonymous calumnies were vented: but, on their part, he repelled it with that indignation which it merited. He hoped such dark and insidious misrepresenta tions would be disregarded by the House.—(Cries of hear !) The petition was then ordered to be printed. Sir J. NEWPORT presented two petitions from the Ship owners of Greenock and others against the Clyde Navigation Bill.—Referred to the Committee on the said Bill. Mr. S. WORTLEY presented a petition from Leeds in fa vour of the County Courts' Bill.—Laid on the table. Lord. NUGENT presented a petition f r om Leighton Buz zard, in the county of Bedford, in f avour o f the Bill fo r th e Relief of the Roman Catholics. lie felt pride , and pleasure in presenting this petition, which was signed by the Protestant Dissenters of that town, who wished that others should enjoy the privileges to which the petitioners were entitled. 31r. S. RICE presented a petition from the Merchants of Belfast, complaining of the duties upon the trade of Ireland at the port of Liverpool.—Ordered to be laid on the table. Mr. S. RICE presented a petition from the Inhabitants of Limerick, relative to deserted children in Ireland. Ile hoped this subject would be speedily attended to - by his Majesty's Go vernment.—Ordered to be printed. Sir R. WILSON presented a petition from the operative Sawyers of Southwark, praying that no change should take place in the Combination Laws until after a full and fair inquiry. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a similar petition from the Shoemakers of the City of London. On the motion that the Liverpool and Ireland Postage Bill be read a second time, Sir M. W. RIDLEY begged to know from the Right Hon. Gentleman whether any alteration was to take place in the mode of travelling from London to Edinburgh ? The rapid rate at which the mail went endangered the lives of the passen gers. Mr. HERRIES said, a measure was in contemplation which would meet the object of the Hon. Gentleman. When Mr. Telford made his report to th e T reasury on the line of commit -1 rication, it would then be seen whether a greater acceleration of the mail was practical, or would be attended with conveni cnze. It was supposed that the time of arrival might be short. ened by one day. Sir N. COLTHURST asked if any inquiry had taken place about the high rates of postage in Ireland. Mr. HERRIES replied that inquiries had been made to as certain the distinct difference between the rates of postage in England and Ireland. The Bill was then ordered to be committed to-morrow. CATHOLIC CLAIMS. Mr. Secretary PEEL presented Petitions from Norwich, Pel lin, Aldmanick, in the county of Buckingham, the Indepen dant Congregation in Beresford.street, Walworth, the parish of St. Anne, Westminster, the p ar i s h o f Edmonton and West. cock, in the West Riding of York ; also from the Minister, Deacons, and Congregation of the Protestant Dissenters Lyon street, Leicester-square, the Mi n i ster and Elders of Dissenters, (Scotland), and another front Birmshiels, in the county of Ren frew_, against any further conces s i ons to the Catholics. The Right Hon. Gentleman presented a similar petition from cer tain inhabitants of the town of Manchester. The petition was subscribed by twelve Magistrates in th e county of Lancaster, and by 28,000 inhabit an t s of Manchester.—(Jl ear, hear !) Mr. PHILIPS said the persons who subscribed the petition had not dared to-call a public meeting in Manchester, knowing well that they would have the majority against them. Various means had been employed to procure signatures. Sheets were placed in public places, at the end of streets, and out of the town ; and every artifice was tried to delude the House into the belief that the petition came from the inhabitants of Manchester. The Magistrates who did not subscribe it had certainly set an example of superior liberality of principle, opinion, and action ; and these would be the more appreciated when it .was recollected that they were the zealous advocates o f Orange Societies in Lancaster.—(Hear ! )—Application was made to the Methodists, 1_ Friend (Lord Unitarians, Baptists, and Independents, to receive sheets into their Chapels; but with the exception of the 3lethodists only, all had refused the request. Since the petition hod been signed —and it might come under the designation of one of the hole and-corner petitions, which had been frequently spoken of—a Stanley) Public Meeting was called to peti,toiobnePTliarnent, in favour of would present to-night. It contained 8,600 signatures, whi c h obtained in two days and a quarter; while those in the were in less than fifteen petition could not e got the Catholic Claims, which his other liberal d • days: He did not hesitate to say, that the nitelligent rim of c'