The Sun. — London, England, 1861-07-26 00:00:00

THE SUN,n LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 26, 1861: The report of supply was brought up and received. On the motion for going into committee of supply, General PEEL drew attention to the estimates for mili tary expenditure, which, he contended, did not really con tain the amount that would be required. He did not com plain so much of the military expenditure which the Government had made last year, but he did strongly object to provision being made for the same by the votes of the house, and the amount that was necessary having been con cealed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He considered at the same time that retrenchments ought to be judiciously made, without impairing the efficiency of the provision for the defence of the country. The hon. and gallant member then entered into different details to illustrate his opinion. He com plained that these army estimates were not made until fifteen months after the financial year. On five votes for 1859-60-61 there would be found an excess of expenditure over estimates of nearly a quarter of a million. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sail that the term for making up the army accounts was fixed by law, and the delay that might take place was not chargeable to any person. From the time when the accounts were made up the estimates were necessarily founded on insufficient data. He denied that the Treasury had any perfect control over the number of men that were to be employed, and they were not necessarily cognisant of the increase in the number of men, nor the amount provided for by Parlia ment. He adverted to India to show how impossible it would have been for the Secretary of War or the Chan ce llor of the Exchequer to have made a correct estimate of the number of the men that were required, in consequence of the events that had occurred in that country. He con tended that it was quite impossible that the Government to ye : foresee the claims that might arise in any prospective If there were anything defective in the existing s Y ste ra it could house, but not be remedied by a discussion in that by . minute investigation of details, which could not pos e house. The rit ' l 4 be carried on at a sitting of the whole fend the expenuytt. hon. gentleman then proceeded to de. China. As ret :lre that had been incurred in respect to arising from savincole4inthe appropriation of the surplus y of ee th rtain military to other votes, it was the absolute du te Secretary of the Treasury to make a transfer of th ese surpluses i before asking for a vote of credit. With respect t, Zrleleged.misappropriation of the funds voted for China if' anything wrong in respect to that vote, he.showd'q thavas responsibility he was with the War Department. Ho co, asidered, cluestio w n e r v a e i r, that no ?benefit would arise from the gem vat gallant member being discussed act so late • ed by the a Paned of the :Session. Mr. T. G. BARING defended' tl te conduct of Lordlier bort, and said there was no into' •ro ctnesa in the statement )0 March, 18 60, ref er . made 4 that noble lord on the E. ence to the Chinavote. He held that of the excess of £200,000 in the China vote, which he should have to ask the house for in committee, there was a sum of £120,000 which Lord Herbert could have had no knowledge of when he made his statement in March, 1860. The right hon. gentleman said there would be an excess of £500,000, but, in fact, the sum he had mentioned was the true one, and he held there was no possible question that the calculation of Lord Herbert was in the main entirely correct, and that the right hon. gentleman's calculations were wrong. They had no right to take the five votes referred to by the right hon. gentle man, but the whole of the votes for the army, and the at tack made upon Lord Herbert would, after referring to the statements made by him last year, be found to be without foundation. There had been no concealment of any accounts from the house, but he regretted if the returns made to the house were not in accordance with the views of the right hon. and gallant gentleman. Without going into details as to the number of men required for the army this year, he was convinced that the 1,500 men in excess of the estimates would soon be absorbed, there being no recruiting for the line this year. On the whole, therefore, he believed the sums voted by the house would cover all the expenditure of the army during the present financial year. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said that during the financial year 1859.60 the house voted 122,655 men for the army, and in the course of that year a much larger number was kept, and yet no application was made to the house for the pay and allowances of the extra men. Did the house intend to give up their right to control the standing army of the country ? Was it true that in March, 1860, there were more than 9,000 men kept than voted by the house ? He trusted the house would have a clear answer, because very important constitutional questions were involved. Sir S. NORTHCOTE said the time was inconvenient for going into these accounts in detail, as they would all come before the Committee on Public Accounts in the next session of Parliament, when they would be fully gone into. But he thought that upon the whole the calculations of his right hon. friend the member for Huntingdon (Gen. Peel), in March, 1860, were more correct than the statement of Lord Herbert. What they complained of was that the Go vernment did not state to thehouse the grounds upon which they required the vote of credit in 1860. They should re member that the army estimates of last year were dealt with lin a peculiar manner by the Secretary for War, and such as to puzzle those who took an interest in them, and desired to make calculations in regard tJ them. It was the duty of the House of Commons to criticise the mistakes of the Go vernment, and to visit them with a want of confidence un less they could be satisfactorily explained. (Hear.) Sir J. SHELLEY thought the house ought to feel obliged to the right hon. gentleman the member for Hun tingdon in bringing this matter forward, for it was clear that these accounts ought to be examined into in detail. It was not the first time that such accounts had been mystified, and if a committee were moved for he should give the mo tion his support. Mr. HENLEY thought the house agreed in tendering thanks to the right hon. gentleman for bringing the subject forward, and he could not help observing that the replies of the Government were not so satisfactory as might be de sired. (Hear, hear.) He objected to the statements made to the house by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and there could be no doubt that if he had had to propose the imposi tion of a tax instead of taking one off his powers of vision would have been exercised in a very different manner. (Hear, hear.) The substance of the right hon, gentleman's observations to-day was, that he could not pretend to go into these details, as they belonged to the heads of the de partments. The only certain thing about the matter was, that they were called upon to vote this large sum in excess of the expenditure of the year. Colonel DUNNE wanted to know why a sum of money was asked of the house for recruiting when it had been stopped; and he should be glad to know why the larger number of men in the army than voted by the house ware being paid, and out of what fund. Col. SYKES said there were 80,000 European troops in India, and of these there were 19,000 in excess of the pro posed number. Why then should the Government send out 3,000 men for the artillery in India, when they could have obtained volunteers from the 19,000 men not required in the line in India ? Mr. HOPE said he would detain the house for a short time only, while he asked the Government not to expend the sum of £15,000 voted for increasing the Royal Military College at Sandurst to hold 500 cadets until the house had had time to consider the details of the plan, in pursuance of which it was proposed to make such increase. The con duct of the Government had been most extraordinary in re. spect to this vote, and it certainly appeared to him that good faith had not been kept by the hon. gentleman the Under Secretary for War. He believed opinions were unanimous against the system of passing all officers into the army through one college, and in fact at college young men were not so well instructed, however able the professors, as they were in the performance of regimental duties. Every young man would have to enter the college at 17, and by the rules of the army he must enter the army between the ages of 18 and 20. He thought it unwise at this moment to limit the sources from which they obtained their officers, and the rules now in force would have that effect. Ho begged to move the address of which he had given notice in refer ence to this subject. Sir J. GRAHAM rose to order. He thought it was not competent now, on going into committee of supply, to make such a motion. The SPEAKER said he had not thought it right to inter fere during the time the hon. gentleman was speaking ; but as the matter had been noticed, he should rule that the mo tion could not be made. The vote had been confirmed by the house, and it could not be restricted in any way. Mr. HOPE said if he was out of order he would withdraw his motion. Mr. B. OSBORN E thought the hon. gentleman opposite was deserving the thanks of the house for calling attention to this subject. The Government were about to totally change the education of cadets for the army without having any plan before them, without the house knowing anything of the matter, and in the absence of the Prime Minister and the Secretary for War. In reply to Mr. HENLEY, The SPEAKER said any votes objected to must be con sidered in committee, and not upon going into committee. Mr. DILLWYN thought, if the house was prevented from discussing this matter now, they ought not in future to allow votes to be taken at so late an hour as half-past 1 in the morning. Mr. BARING explained that the vote in reference to this college was not taken at half-past 1 o'clock. Mr. AYRTON moved the adjournment of the debate, in order that the Under-Secretary of State for War might give further explanation to the house. Colonel KNOX complained of the conduct of the hon. gentleman (Mr. Baring) in the course he had taken in refe rence to this vote. They were going to Germanise the Bri tish army, and he hoped the Government would take steps that the question should be brought before the house on a future day. The SPEAKER said the house could not take into ac count the majority by which a vote was carried and the lateness of the hour, but he did not desire to stop discussion on any vote. Mr. T. G. BARING denied there had been any breach of faith on the subject on his part. The hon. member who opposed the vote did not accept his proposition, and there fore he was not bound by it. He would agree that the new system at Sandhurst should not be brought into operation before Midsummer next. Mr. HOPE—Would the hon. gentleman state that the money should not be expended ? Mr. HENLEY observed that the vote should be struck out of the Appropriation Bill, and he would suggest to the hon. member for Windsor to be in his place. (Laughter.) The house then went into a committee of supply—Mr. MASSEY in the chair. On the vote of £75,000 to defray the charges required for civil contingencies, Mr. WILLIAMS said he objected to the sum of £l5O required for carrying the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland from Holyhead t o Ki ngstown; an d a l so t o th e sum of £512 16s. for the expenses o f th e p a t en t i n gran ting a barony to Lord Brougham's heir, formerly a Master in Chancery. on S e i , r a l nd sa if it t GRAHAM houseA nMsa e i g d r t e h ed is t v o ot t e he ge r n ee e o r mre allyensvdaastiaopneoculf the Select Committee on Public Moneys, no sum would be a sked for in future without i si n u thefirst place the house hav ing an opportunity of discussing the matter. He regretted to see several items which were in the v g for civil contm- g e CHANCELLOR of th e EXCHEQUERi cred was in . The n ci e s think the matter was asatisfacto r y position; and h g lad the committe e upstairs had objected to this N ote, for it was A matter o n which Government required the as s i s tance of the house, in order that a reform might be effected. After further discussion, Mr. DISRAE LI said in his opinion any me m b er might discuss every item o f the vote which they were can e d upon to consider. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said, as one of the committee, he understood that that was their intentionin the report which they made to the house. Sir J. GRAHAM suggested that the hon. member for Lambeth should withdraw his m otion and let the committee discuss the whole of the items which composed this vote. Mr. WILLIAMS consented to wit hdraw his motion. Mr. B. OSBORNE then moved to reduce the vote by £1,500. There were several items to which he had very great objection, particularly those in reference to the ex penses incurred for colonial bishops, and for the commission of the fine arts in connection with that building. For that commission a sumofL96B 4s. 85. was asked, but he thought they would be dear at the odd 4s. Bd. (Laughter.) The hon. member was proceeding with his speech, and quoting the inscription " Si monumentum requiris -" when he was, amidst great laughter, called to order, ten minutes to four having arrived, the time at which, by the rules of the house, the chairman must report progress. The house resumed. Mr. HENLEY asked what business would be taken by the Government in the evening ? . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his right hon. friend would, at six o'clock, make a statement in reference to the East India Loan, and after that was dis posed of he would propose to go into a committee of supply. Mr. OSBORNE asked when he would have an opportu , laity of finishing his quotation with " circumspice." The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the hon. member was in a more fortunate position than Mr. Adam, who was stopped in the middle of a word. The hon. member would be able to resume at " eircumspice" in the evening, after the conclusion of the India business. The sitting was then at four o'clock suspended. The house resumed at six o'clock. ADMIRALTY IRON. Mr. HENNESSY asked the junior Lord of the Admiralty whether the iron alluded to by him, on the 21st of June last, respecting the steamship Hibernia, was the same as the iron-cased ship Defence was being constructed of, and which was manufactured for Messrs. Palmer by Messrs. Beale and Co., of Rotherham, as shown in Parliamentary Paper No. 347 of the present session. Mr. WHITBREAD said it was the same, having been tested and found to be the best suited for the purpose. He could not answer the latter part of the question. TROOPS IN CHINA. Col. SYKES asked the Under Secretary of State for War whether troops ordered home from North China had been detained by the British Minister; if so, for what time were they to be detained; and whether the troops at Tien-tsin were supplied with fresh water by Coolie labour ? Mr. BARING said that one regiment, and one troop of Fane's Horse had been left at Tien-tsin. He could not say in what way the troops were supplied with fresh water. INDIAN BUDGET. Mr. ADAM asked the Secretary of State for India when the return with reference to stipendiary native princes of India, 'for which an address was moved as unopposed on the 2d of May last, would be laid upon the table of the house ? Also whether Mr. Laing's speech on the finances of India would be laid on the table ? Sir C. WOOD could not say when the address would be laid on the table. Mr, Laing's speech, being an offici& document, could not be furnished. THAMES EMBANKMENT. SirJ. SHELLEY asked the First Commissioner of Works whether the report that the royal commission on the Thames embankment having been signed, it was his intention to place that report forthwith on the table of the house, with the protest of any commissioners against the same ? Mr. COWPER said that the report had been received at the Office of Works, and would be laid on the table that evening. No doubt the ordinary course would be followed, and the commissioners would append to the report the rea sons givpn by one member for not agreeing to that report. COURTS OF LAW BILL. Sir J. GRAHAM wished to know what were the inten • tions of Government with respect to the above bill ? Mr. COWPER said that so great was the desire on the part of the legal profession, to have this bill passed that he should be most unwilling to abandon it. He would not, however, bring it on when there was not opportunity for ample discussion. He should not attempt to bring it on after eleven o'clock that evening, but even if he should not have the opportunity of bringing it forward then, he still clung to the hope that the session might last long enough—(a laugh)—to allow of its being passed. THE NAWAB OF THE CARNATIC. Mr. LAYARD made an appeal to the Minister for India on behalf of Hussein Dhar, hereditary Nawab of the Car natic, who had been deprived of his estates. The Nawab had petitioned the East India Company, but that company being no longer in existence, application had been made to the right hon. gentleman. The right hon. gentleman had, however, declined to act on a petition addressed to the late company, and he (Mr. Layard) had advised the Nawab's agent to send out to India for another petition. The agent had done so, but as it could not arrive until the latter end of the year, he trusted the right hon. gentleman would allow the Nawab, who was in great difficulties, to have his pen sion, pending the examination of his petition, without pre judice to his claim. Sir C. WOOD said that the case having been: referred to the Governor of Madras, he could not say anything until he received his report. At present he believed the Nawab was in receipt of a reduced pension. He agreed generally in the principle that the claims of the native princes should receive as favourable consideration as possible. INDIAN RAILWAYS AND FINANCE. Sir C. WOOD rose to ask for powers to raise whatever money might be necessary for the year's railway work in India, beyond the sums that might be raised by the different railway companies. Last year he had estimated the probable expenditure for railways at £6,000,000, and it reached £5,900,000, showing the very great accuracy of the esti mate. Up to April last eight millions had been expended, and this year he believed that six millions would be required, of which between £1,700,000 and £1,800,000; would be raised by the companies. What he wanted the house And the country clearly to understand was, that the money which he now asked power to raise was exclusively for rail way purposes. Every one concurred in thinking that the railway works in India should not be suspended, but that they should be finished at the earliest possible moment, especially as this country was paying interest until the lines were opened. He had no fault to find with the money market, for, having recently asked for four millions, he had been offered twenty-one ; but in this ease the house .a as to understand that not one sixpence was to be borrowed except for railway purposes. It was his intention also to avail himself of that opportunity to make a statement relative to the general finances of India, from which it would be seen that it was not necessary to raise sixpence for the general purposes of Government. (Hear.) It would be necessary to refer to the three past years, and also to Mr. Laing's state ment for the current year. He should refer to the past years very shortly, because the accounts of India were very com plicated. There had been laid upon the table a return for 1859-60, and also an estimate for 1860-61, which showed that, although the income was larger than the estimate by £2,000,000, the expenditure was larger than that estimate by £3,500,000. That was very unaccountable, yet no ex planation was sent from India, but he believed it would turn out that the reductions which Mr. Wilson stated had been made in 1859-60 were not brought to account in that year. While waiting for an explanation, he was much surprised by seeing a statement of Mr. Laing, that the expenditure of 1860-61 was actually £200,000 more than that of 1859-60, Mr. Laing, who everybody would be glad to hear was much better—had since returned to this country, and had admitted that he had been misled by a statement put forth in the Calcutta Gazette by the financial Government of India. The truth, therefore, stood exactly as that which he (Sir C. Wood) had illustrated —namely, that the reduc tion stated by Mr. Wilson, for 1859.60, was not brought to account until 1860.61. He now came to 1860-61. The ex penditure in that year was £46,000,00 0 , and the income £39,500,000. The estimated deficit was £6,500,000, but there was included in that compensation for losses in the mutiny and other charges, which brought it down to £5,500,000. Mr. H. SEYMOUR asked whether that included the home charges ? Sir C. WOOD said that his calculation included all the charges on the revenue of India. The actual expenditure in 1859-60 was £50,475,000 ; the expenditure in 1860 .61 was £46,067,000, showing an actual reduction of £4,400,000. The regular estimate for 1861-62 was contained in the papers on the table, and was framed in March last. It showed a cash balance of £11,448,000, but in the despatch received from India, dated the 2d of May, the estimated cash balance was taken to be £12,850,000 in the official year ending the 30th April, being £1,400,000 more than was anticipated in March. Since that time the same system had been pursued, and therefore he thought he might speak with confidence of the estimates of the current year Mr. Laing, in his official estimates, was rather too favourable. That gentleman proposed to transfer half a million to the local budget, and he made reductions in the home charges beyond the Government estimates to tha extent of £300,000, and by those means he arrived at a surplus of nearly £250,000. Taking the income to be as it was, and allowing for no reduction of expenditure, there possibly might be a deficit of £1,000,000 in the course of the current year; but as at the end of the year he hoped the expenditure and the income would be brought into a state of equilibrium, there would for the future bo no necessity for any loan whatever for Indian purposes. Of the expenditure for the present year, £600,000 at least would be found to be due to the recent famine in India; and the charge for guaranteed interest was no less than £1,300,000, which, with the loss on exchange of £473,000, would amount altogether to £1,773,000. The duty on salt had been most productive, and he was happy to say that, owing to the improved condition of the people of India— although the duty had been very considerably increased — the consumption had in no degree diminished. In Bengal, where the duty was 25 per cent., the consumption had increased 30 per cent. It was only on the item of opium that any falling off was apprehended ; but, in view of that apprehension, Mr. Laing had taken a very low figure for that item. The reduction was of course mainly on account of the military expenditure, which the house would be glad to hear had not been carried to a very great extent. He did not mean to say that it had been carried to the extent it might be carried, but it was quite impossible to reduce rapidly without exciting much discontent in so large a number of men as had been in the military service of the Indian Government. Seven hundred and seventy seven native regiments had been broken up since 1859, and including the police, the reduction in the native armed force was not less than2oo,ooo men. The reduction in ex penditure was from £24,750,000 to £15,500,000, showing a reduction of about nine millions and a quarter. (Hear.) The extent of the are a o f th e famine was more restricted than was at first imagined, and was confined solely to the north-western provinces. During its continuance 143,000 people were daily employed in the relief work, and the famine also led to considerable emigration from these districts. He next wished to refer to the evils which had arisen in the lower provinces of Bengal in regard to the cul tivation of indigo. Those evils, which were of long standing, were felt with great intensity last year, and had been pro • ductive of much loss and suffering. It appeared by a letter from the Lieutenant -Governor of Bengal, written in 1854, that while the English capital introduced into the country ought to prove the greate st blessing to the population gene rally, the circumstances were such that the ryots considered the cultivation of indigo as their direst curse, and therefore he was not surprised to bear that its cultivation had ceased to a gyeat extent. The bill on the subject which was intro duced by the Indian government was only of a temporary character, but he must say it was not of a character to oper as - Over ate very favourably on the existing st ate of things. lie w not surprised that the planters who had lost money largely should have got irritated and resorted to legal means to en force their contracts against th 9 ryots but a otafo Qi feeling arose from the adoption of that course which could not but be lamented. At the same time the conduct of the Indian government was not in any way reprehensible. It was their duty to hold the scales of justice as impartially as they could between the planters and ryots, and to see that the ryots did not suffer from oppression, and the planters from violence. The planters had lately taken a step which, how ever justified by law, was not one which could be approved when viewed as a mater of prudence. They had of course a right to raise their rents, but that had been done to an extent which did not seem to b e wise, considering the excited state of the population. He regretted to add that that bad feeling had been aggravated by an occurrence to which his attention was some time ago called—the circulation, under an official frank, of a translation of a Bengal play. That most improper act on the part of the official authorities had been disclaimed by the Lieutenant-Governor of Bengal, who had written a despatch in which he said that it had been done without his knowledge, and that when it was brought to his notice he expressed his strong disapproba tion of it. Unfortunately, however, it had given rise to the unfounded suspicion that the Governme4t had been a party to the proceeding. As he bad observed already, the Government should be entirely impartial between planter and ryot, and he should° be extremely sorry if by word or act the Government should appear to aggravate the bad feeling which already existed. The next point was one which was always of importance to this country, but at the present moment vitally so—he meant the cultivation of cotton in India. Different opinions were entertained as to the cepa- bility of India to produce cotton in quantity and quality adequate to supply the British manufactures, but he was convinced, in opposition to a very high authority, that if preper means were taken India might be made a source of supply to such an extent as to render this country in a great measure independent of America. It was probable that the supply of cotton from India this year would be very much in excess of what it had ever been before. Upwards of 620,000 bales had already been shipped from India to this country, and 300,000 or 400,000 more were likely to come in the course of the year, so that the supply would be 320,000 more than usual. (Hear.) He trusted that the increase in the price of cotton would greatly extend its cultivation in India, and that the natives would improve in the processes of picking and cleaning which they had hitherto so much neglected. The Indian Government had gone to great pains and expense to ascertain if it could be grown in that country, and he did think it was well worth the attention of those persons in England who were interested in the effort, to use their ex ertions in contributing to its successful result. He was happy to say that a Mr. Heywood had been deputed by all parties interested at home in the production of cotton in India to go out there, and the Government had sanctioned his being accompanied by Dr. Forbes, the gentleman best acquainted with the cultivation of cotton in the different districts of India. He hoped that those gentlemen would be able to lay the foundation of a system which would greatly increase the supply of cotton from India. The duty of the Government was to improve the communications with the cotton-growing districts, which at present did not possess easy access to the sea. The prin cipal sources of supply, to say nothing of the subordinate ones in the North-West Provinces, were Dharwar and Berar. With regard to the first, a road was in course of construction, which had already advanced as far as the frontier of the Presidency of Madras. A portion of it would cross the Ghauts, and the Madras Government had been requested to expedite its completion as much as possible. With respect to Berar, two means of communication were being prepared—one by the East India and Peninsula Rail way, and the other by a branch at Nagpoor. The southern part of the Berar district would be opened by means of the Godavery. No time had been lost in conducting the works upon the river. When Capt. Rayne was in this country he applied for a quantity of machinery to forward opera tions along the course of the river, and that machinery was sent out at once. The work was progressing satisfactorily, and had been favourably reported upon by Sir W. Denison, the Governor of Madras. The original difficulty by which the work was impeded was the want of money, but that had been got over, me' any necessary amount would now be forthcoming. The house would be pleased to hear that only that morning they had determined that orders should be sent to India to prosecute the opening of the Godavery as fast as possible, consistently with the proper execution of the works. (Hear.) He entertained no doubt that the opera tion would, in the end, be commercially successful, but that was a paint which ought not at the present moment to be looked at too closely. He had nothing more to say with regard to finance ; but there were some points connected with the political administration of India upon which he wished to make a few observations. He believed that Lord Canning's policy in respect to the native princes and chiefs in India was sound in principle, and would lay the surest founda tion for the maintenance of our power in that country. (Hear, hear.) In past years the tendency of our rule had been rather to oppress than to conciliate theso influential persons, but in late years that line of policy had been en tirely reversed. New treaties had been made with several native princes, and territories have been assigned to them which, without weakening our empire, had increased their dignity and honour, and made them feel that their rights would not be usurped or invaded by the British govern. meat. The Sikkim war just concluded presented a remark able proof of our improved policy in dealing with the native rulers. The Rajah of Sikkim having carried off some of our subjects a force was despatched to the frontier, and the rajah was informed that our object was to obtain reparation, but not to annex a single acre of territory. In a very short time a treaty was arranged with the rajah, our subjects were re stored, and the whole affair passed off in the most friendly manner. Not only did our negotiator obtain, but the rajah engaged to allow a free passage for merchandise through his territory from India into Thibet, and by an other way on the payment of a reduced duty. It had long been a desideratum to procure the opening of a road from India to China, and that had at length been satisfactorily accomplished by the aid of the Rajah of Sikkim. The same course had been pursued with regard to the upper classes in our own provinces. The talookdars of 0 ode, who but lately were in arms against us, had, in consequence of this new policy, become our friends and supporters. In their own districts they acted the same part as country gentlemen in this country, administering the law as magistrates, collecting the revenue, and exercising other functions. There was a general tendency, in fact, to raise those per sons. Hon. gentlemen could not better understand how that was being done than by referring to the report by the Chief Commissioner of Oude. Such was the policy pursued by the Government in India, and he hoped lee could show that that of the Home Government also was in the same direction. The Government were fortunately not without the means of rewarding remarkable instances of attachment to the Sovereign on the part of native princes and others. Her Majesty had been pleased to institute an order of knighthood which had already been conferred on seven or eight of the principal chiefs of India, and would, in the opinion of the Governor-General, be greatly valued by them, and have an important effect in increasing their good - will towards this country. The right hon. gentleman then referred to the three bills relating - to India which had re cently passed through that house—viz., the India Council Bill, the Courts of Judicature Bill, and the Civil Service Bill—the general object of which was to remove the exclu sive character of the government in India, and to admit to a participation in it both English settlers and natives of all races. Under their provisions a native would be eligible for any civil employment, for a seat on the bench, or even for one in the legislature of the country. It was a sound policy, and the Government at home and in India would be animated by the same spirit in carrying it out. The house would be happy to hear that since the bill passed he had received a minute from the Governor-General recommend ing a course substantially the same as that which they had adopted. With regard to the other two bills, the first of them admitted natives to the highest places in the Legis lative Council. The other admitted them to the bench, a step which would improve the administration of justice. It had been a matter of great satisfaction to him to find a general concurrence in these measures, and be was con vinced they were steps in the right course, a conviction in which he was supported by those who were connected with India, and were most competent to form a sound opi nion on the subject. He could only hope that these mea sures, when brought into operation, would contribute to the welfare of India, and cement the union between that country and England. (Hear, hear.) Mr. H. SEYMOUR said that the right hon. gentleman had just delivered one of the most important speeches re lative to India which had ever been made in that house, and that it propounded a wise policy, which was calculated to overcome all our past commercial difficulties with regard to that country. Mr. Wilson had fallen a sacrifice, but not until he had laid the foundation of a new policy, which he was enabled to do by reason of his masterly knowledge of the subject. It was gratifying to hear that Mr. Laing had arrived in England in improved health, and that he would shortly proceed again to the scene of his useful la bours. Both Mr. Laing and the right hon. Secretary for India were in favour of equalising the income and expendi ture, and of admitting the nat ives to a share in the admi nistration of Indian affairs. B oth g entlemen were giving the natives an incentive to the practice of economy. The right hon. gentleman was anticipating a deficit of £1,000,000 in the present year, but that deficit could be met by a reduction of military expenditure. There was an enormous amount of European troops in India. There was a surplus of 19,000 men there beyond what was absolutely required, and that number ought to be gra dually reduced. Lately 3,000 of the artillery were sent out, and that seemed a strange proceeding, seeing that there was a surplus of 19,000 men there already. An enormous error of £4,000,000 had been made by the Legislature of Calcutta, and it would have been most desir able if the right hon. gentleman had given the house some explanation on that point. The income- tax had turned out an apparent failure. Still, it was quite right to persevere in enforcing it with certain modifications. The probability was, that at the end of the present year the income and ex penditure would balance each other if the estimates could be depended upon. The cultivation of cotton, and the emi gration from India to the West Indies, were subjects of paramount import a nce. The famine must have convinced the right ho noura bl e g entleman of the necessity of en couraging public works in India. The statement of the right hon. gentleman with reference to the indigo dis tricts was not perfectly satisfactory, so far as the law of con tracts was concerned. If he had prohibited the Legislature of Calcutta from passing the law of contracts, then what other law of contracts had he told them to adopt ? With reference to the export of cotton from India, he thought a railway, or at all events a tram railway, ought to be made between Madras and Calcutta. Nothing had been done to advance railways in the southern part of India; and un doubtedly this was a subject which required immediate at tention. lie was delighted that the Government were at length adopting an enlightened policy with regard to the native chiefs, a policy which, if adopted some years ago, would have prevented the mutiny, and been productive of the most beneficial results. Ho was glad, too that the order of the star had been inaugurated as the crowning point of this policy of conciliation. The natives would feel deeply grateful to her Majesty for this special mark of her favour. Every educated native was a friend to England, and the more education was diffused among the natives, the greater would be the ad vantages we should gain at home-. He concluded by again thanking the right hon. gentleman for the very able state ment he had made. Sir 11. WILLOUGHBY reminded the house that £4,000,000 had been added to the Indian debt, and that that debt now amounted to £103,000,000. This was rather an alarming state of things. The observations of th 3 right hon. Secretary for India were exceedingly sparing as regarded Indian finance. lie (Sir H. Willoughby) feared that the public purse would be still further called upon to supply the additional deficiencies in the income of India. These reductions of the Indian Army went, no doubt, with benefit to the Exchequer, but he questioned the value of them in some cases, especially when they reduced the force by thousands and tens of thousands, in the wholesale discharge of the Sepoys. He thought that was carrying matters to dangerous extremes. He knew that the expenditure of the Indian Army was last year £ls,9oo,ooo—and that was a very large sum—but he trusted the Secretary of State for India, in Council, would defend the Indian Exchequer for their outlay. The question was, what was the limit of the expenditure on Indian railways ? He would like to know the extreme amount, and the obligations we were likely to incur on this head. He understood £30,000,000 would be advanced by the companies and the remainder by the Go vernment. He wanted to know how it was going to be done ? Were they to go on borrowing £17,000,000, £18,000,000, or £20,000,000 for the next two years ? He should like to know that the expenditure would be strictly limited. It was of very great importance that the house should know what the expenditure was to be so as to limit it. (Hear, hear.) Mr. KINNAIRD said it would be the object of the In dian Government to throw the burden of the outlay upon the Indian finances, and he trusted the house would watch narrowly the expenditure connected with these finances. (Hear, hear.) He agreed with the honourable baronet in the line of policy that had been pursued to wards the Indian princes, although it was carrying the idea too far to say that that policy had been adopted in conse quence of the mutiny. The fact was it was the assistance rendered by the Indian princes during the mutiny that had entitled them to so much consideration, and they wereonly receiving the reward of their fidelity. (Hear.) There was one point upon which much stress had been laid in the economy of governing India, that was retrenchment. He did not think retrenchment would effect everything; he believed a judicious expenditure on public works would be far more beneficial, and he hoped the Government would adopt that course. He would place those works under men of ability and distinction to carry out, and he was sure of a satisfac tory result. The hon. gentleman then concluded by point ing out the adaptability of the country for cotton growing. Mr. VANSITTART deprecated the practice of asking for loans in the way proposed by the right hon. the Secretary of State for India. He wished for a comprehensive scheme and recommended that the fifteeen Indian railway com panies should be moulded into one, and presided over by a Government Cabinet. The expenses of so many chairmen, secretaries, &c., would then be got rid of. He instanced the mode of making some of the lines—one as straight as a needle, and so laid out that it missed nearly every town and village for 450 miles. The income was only £7,000 in six months for an outlay of millions. Mr. CRAWFORD contended that the fusion of the companies in the way proposed would never answer. He advocated the sale of the waste lands and bringing them into cultivation as a source of great revenue to the State. Mr. VANSITTART said he was not actuated in the opinions which he had formed by any stock which he held in the Madras Railway. Mr. FORSTER said that he had no doubt the revenues derived from salt would be greatly increased in the future from the increased supplies which would be provided of that article, consequent upon the completion of the railways and improving the communication of the country. The state ment of the right hon. baronet with respect to the probabi lity of the increased supply of cotton, would, he thought, afford great satisfaction to the manufacturers of the country. The great cause of the prosperity of America was due not merely to the production of cotton, but to the money which had been expended in improving the navigation of the country. The expenditure of a few hundred thousands on the Mississippi had made New Orleans one of the most pros perous ports in the world ; and the improvement in the na vigation of the Indies would also make Kurrachee a port scarcely second in importance to New Orleans. The open ing up of the navigation of the Godavery would be equiva lent to the establishment of a new branch of trade and in dustry in India. There was in India more land fit to grow cotton than in any ether country in the world, and it was a crying shame that our manufacturers should be in this state of things, and dependent on a foreign country for the sup ply of the raw material. (Hear.) Col. SYKES said that the flattering tale told by Mr. Laing in his budget speech in India had not been realised and plenty of figures had been given, but very few facts. He contended that so far from there being a surplus, there would be a very great deficiency of revenue, and analysed at some length the figures and statements bearing on the finance of India. The reduction in the numbers of the army was, no doubt, very great, but it was an extraordinary fact that notwithstanding this reduction of 200,000 native troops, the expenditure for the army of 1860 61 was greater than it was when the army was at its full strength. This was owing to the fact that so large a proportion of the army was composed of Europeans, the cost of one of whom was equal to five native soldiers. At the same time he concurred with the right hon. baronet the Secretary of State for India that the future prospects of India were of a very satisfactory character, and even with the addition that had recently been made to the debt, it was not now more than equal to two and a half year's revenue, and in that respect the position of India was not more favourable than this country or of any other nation in Europe. The expenditure upon railways and canals in India he looked upon as of a most productive character, and the Government could not push forward works of that character too rapidly, but he thought that there was still plenty of room to carry out greater economy than had yet been attempted. He sug gested that the payment of the income tax in India should be limited to incomes of £5O or £lOO a year. (Hear.) Mr. EWART concurred heartily in the opinions which the right hon. baronet had expressed with respect to the position and prospects of India. He hoped that the attention of the Government would be directed to the best means of encouraging European settlers, and of improving the law relating to contracts in India. He congratulated the right hon. Secretary for India on the admirable address he had delivered, which, with some few slight exceptions, on which further information might have been desirable, was most satisfactory. Mr. ADAM also expressed the gratification with which he heard the statement of the right hon. gentleman, but it should be remembered that Indian estimates were not to be relied upon. He trusted that under the new system now to be inaugurated greater reliance might be placed upon the figures reaching us from India. Mr. Laing's speech was an excellent one in very many respects, but there were points even in that address which might be questioned. He (Mr. Adam) hoped to see the licence tax and the income tax adapted to the views of the natives. He believed the greatest curse of India was its centralisytion, and therefore he was glad to learn that portion of the statement te-night, from which it appeared that the local legislative councils would have an influential voice in the government of the country. He was in favour of allowing the ryots the privi lege of redeeming the land tax. He regretted that these Indian bills had been all thrown upon the table of the house at a period of the session when hon. members had not had sufficient time to consider them. Mr. GREGSON thought it unwise to allow India to be coming to this country for loans, because she was taxed to a far less extent than England was, notwithstanding her enormous extent and population. At the same time, no money could be better employed than in making roads through that country. He thanked the right hon. gentle man for his excellent speech. Mr. BAZ LEY also congratulated the right hon. gentle man on the enlightened policy which he had that evening enunciated. It was imperative on the part of her Majesty's Government to promote the cultivation of cotton in India, and all the British dependencies. He believed that the growth of cotton in India might be greatly increased, that the fibres might be lengthened to the extent that they were in the United States, and that in this way the ryots might be benefited by receiving additional wages. Our paper manufacturers are craving for waste cotton. In India it was very abundant ; indeed there was more cotton growing there than in all the world beside. It was only needed to develop the resources of the country to place us perfectly in dependent of American slave-grown produce, and bring us a large increase of wealth and prosperity. Mr. HADFIELD rose amid cries of " divide," and claimed that trustees of money should have something better to invest their funds in than the 3 per Cents. He recom mended the opening up of our Indian empire. Sir C. WOOD replied. He severally answered the ob jections urged against the scheme of the loan, adding that it would tend to keep the finances of the country within bounds, His scheme was very simple. The railroads would cost fifty-six millions of money, and he proposed, if the companies could not raise the sum, t) do it for them. There was a guarantee already existing, and until the rail ways were completed there would be a loss going on to the country. The resolution was then agreed to without .a divison, and the house resumed. Mr. DILLWYN, in the absence of Mr. Barnes, asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, if his at tention had been drawn to the state in which the town of Accrington had been placed by the vicar of Whalley seisingonera th e household goods and other property o f p oor par' and selling the same by auction, to cage° the PaYl4loilt IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—YESTERDAY. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. BEERHO USES. The Earl of DERBY presented a petition which was, he said, most respectably signed, complaining of the abuses arising from the present system of licensing beerhouses. The petitioners proposed some schemes for remedying these abuses, but with them he did not concur. NEGLECTED CLAIMS. Viscount DUNGANNON presented a petition from a Mr. Joseph Malik, complaining that, in 1849, he submitted some plans for the drainage of the Metropolis to the Govern ment, which have since been used, but for which he has received no remuneration. He prayed their lordships to procure for him compensation from the Board of Works. THE BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. The Earl of DERBY said he would to-morrow pat a question to the noble earl opposite (Earl Granville) with reference to the business now standing before the two Houses of Parliament. DURHAM UNIVERSITIES BILL. Lord RAVENSWORTH presented a petition against this bill from the mayor and corporation of Durham. PRIVATE BUSINESS. Mr. Vane Tempest's Estate Bill was read a second time, and the Peterslield Railway (Deviations) Bill was read a third time and passed. BAST INDIA (HIGH COURTS OF JUDICATURE) L. On the motion for going into committee on this bill, The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said he would take this opportunity to state his objections to this bill. Its principle seemed to him to be the amalgamation of the supreme court and the Suddar court. He did not think this amalgamation desirable, the two courts had no affinity for each other. We ought to have a bill of a tentative and not of an ambitious character. He would propose to alter the bill so as to give powers for the appointment of two additional judges to the court at Calcutta, one for each of the courts of Madras and Bombay, and one for the North-west provinces. This arrangement would render it possible to detach judges, when necessary, for duty in the provinces. One principle involved in this bill he strongly deprecated. By its provisions any person, whether native or European, who was brought up to the law, might be appointed to the new court. He thought this absolutely opposed to the principles on which India was governed. He also spoke warmly against the great expense which would be thrown on India by the appointment of the 35 judges who would be created under this bill. He deplored, in conclusion, the deaths of Lord Dalhousie and Lord Elphinstone, whose counsel on this subject would have been so very valuable. Earl DE GREY an d RIPON paid a compliment to the manner in which Lord Ellenboroug h h ad expressed his v i ew s, but defended the provisions of the bill, It was the opinion of her Majesty's Government that it was not desirable to get up a court having judges deriving their authority from two different sources. It was not, he also said, the intention of the Government to appoint any new judges if the bill was passed, but simply to incorporate the two courts. Lord KINGSDOWN hoped the bill would be materially altered in committee, as it would not work in its present state. The LORD CHANCELLOR considered that the amal• gamation of the two courts could not fail to work satisfac• torily. After some remarks from Lord WENSLETDA.LE, The house went into committee. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGII proposed his amend. went, which was rejected by 48 to 42. The bill then passed through committee. EAST INDIA CIVIL SERVICE BILL. This bill was next passed through committee. DEALERS IN OLD METALS BILL. Lord CHELMSFORD moved the second reading of this bill, the object of whichwas to check the purchase of stolen property by the marine-store keepers. PAROCHIAL AND BURGH SCHOOLS (SCOT LAND) BILL, This bill was read a second time. PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. WHITE HERRING FISHERY (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. VOLUNTEERS' TOLL EXEMPTION BILL. This bill was passed through committee. PROBATES AND LETTERS OF ADMINISTRA TION ACT (IRELAND) AMENDMENT BILL. On the motion of the Earl of ST. GERMANS, this bill was read a second time. ANNOYANCE JURORS' (WESTMINSTER) BILL. The report of the amendments on this bill was brought up and received. VOTERS (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was passed through committee. UNIVERSITY ELECTIONS BILL. This bill was passed through committee. COPYRIGHT DESIGNS BILL. This bill was read a second time. The Irremovable Poor Bill passed through committee. The Dublin Revising Barristers Bill passed through com- mittee. The Lunatic Asylums (Ireland) Bill passed through committee. The County Cess (Ireland) Continuance Bill passed through committee. The Drunkenness (Ireland) Bill was read a third time and passed. The Landlord and Tenant (Ireland) Proceedings Bill was read a third time and passed. The report of the amendments of the Tramways (Scot land) Bill was agreed to. The County Surveyors (Ireland) Bill as amended, was read a third time and passed. The Local Government Amendment Bill psssed through committee. The Locomotive Bill was read a third time and passed. The Crown Suits Limitations Bill was read a second time. CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS OATH RELIEF BILL. Lord DENMAN moved the second reading of this bill. Lord WENSLEYDALE approved of the provisions of the bill. Lord CHELMSFORD dreaded the bill would lead to dangerous consequences. Even at present witnesses, espe cially those of the lower orders, attempted to evade their oath by kissing their thumb, instead of the book. The bill would give them an escape from the obligations of an oath. Lord CRANWORTH supported the provisions of the bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR likewise supported the bill. The bill was then read a second time, and their lordships adjourned. ROUSE OF COMMONS-YESTERDAY, The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The following bills were read a third time and passed : Atkinson's Trust Estate; Cornwall Railway; and Vic , toria Docks Gas. THE MINISTERIAL CHANGES. On the motion of Mr. BRAND a new writ was m dered for the borough of Morpeth, vacant by Sir George Grey, having accepted the office of one of her Majesty's principal Secretaries of State, and for the City of Oxford, vacant by the Right Hon. Edward Cardwell, having accepted the office of Chancellor ofthe Duchy of Lancaster. SUPPLY. small sums of money claimed by him for Easter offerings ; and to ask if it was his intention to take any steps to allay the excitement and prevent its recurrence ? The hon. gen tleman then moved for copies of any correspondence that had taken place on the subject. He entered into some de tails of the hardships and cruelty that had been inflicted upon poor families in consequence of their goods having ' been seized and sold for these offerings. Sir G. C. LEWIS said he had received a communication on the subject referred to, from which it appeared that there was some dispute as to the legality of Easter offerings in the parish of Accrington, and if that were so, it was a ques tion that could be decided by appeal to the usual legal tri bunals, and one in which the executive Government had no power to interfere. His conviction was that Easter offer ings were in the nature of a voluntary gift, but he could not see that there was any ground for interference on the part of the Government. AFFAIRS OF POLAND. Mr. HENNESSY asked whether there was any objec tion to produce a certain despatch written by Lord Palmer ston, on the subject of Poland, in which it was stated that tho " rights of the Czar were incontestable ?" Lord PALMERSTON said he had looked to the de spatches in question. There was no expression in them such as had been stated by the hon. member, and there could be no objection whatever to produce the despatch asked for. DISTRICT ECCLESIASTICAL REGISTRARS. Mr. H. SEYMOUR moved for a series of voluminous returns connected with the registrars and the officers em ployed under them, in the different towns of England and Wales, together with the amount of fees received in the various consistorial and other courts. The hon. member complained of the nature of many of these appointments which were made, and hoped that the Government would not withhold the information which he sought to obtain. Sir G. LEWIS said there was great difficulty in obtain ing the information which was asked for, and he had last year tried to obtain it from the bishops, and in reply to the circulars which were sent he received remonstranceq com plaining that to supply the information would involve great expense, and they declined to furnish it unless those who prepared the returns were to be remunerated for their la bour. He was, therefore, unable to agree with the motion. Mr. SEYMOUR asked if the Government would con sent to grant a committee next year on the subject ? Sir G. LEWIS said the Government could not give any pledge on such a subject. It would be a matter for the house to decide when the motion was made. Mr. B. OSBORNE thought it was rather unfair to ask the right hon. gentleman, who was in that transition state of being half a Minister of peace and half of war, and consi dered that the right hon. baronet who was to be the Home Secretary would be the best qualified to give an answer to the question. Mr. DISRAELI protested againstitsbeingsupposed that the Government had any power to pledge the house to granting a committee. That was a matter entirely for the consideration of the house, and the practice of inducing the Government to give pledges of such a nature ought not to be indulged in; SUPPLY. The house then went into committee of supply. On the vote of £25,000 for civil contingencies, Mr. B. OSBORNE took objection to the item for colonial bishops, to the item for granting patents to Lord Brougham, and the Duke of Argyll as Postmaster-General, to the item for erecting galleries in Hyde-park for the volunteer review, which came to £1,400, and to the item of £944 for the commis sion appointed for encouraging the fine arts in connectionwith the Houses of Parliament. He believed Lord Brougham had entitled himself to the gratitude of his country, and if the patents of great men were to be paid for by the pub lic, that of Lord Brougham ought not to be left unacknow- ledged. He would divide the house upon the £1,400 for erecting the galleries in Hyde-park, because he thought it disgraceful that the house should be called upon to pay for such a purpose. He protested against the payment of £944 for encouraging the fine arts in connection with the Houses of Parliament, because, in the language of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Commissioners had ludicrously over done the matter of ornamentation with regard to the Houses of Parliament. The frescoes were in a decaying state, and were rapidly disappearing from public view—a fact that was not to be regretted, seeing that many of them were not of a very seemly order. The statues were feur in number, but the Commissioners now recommended that statues toWilliam IV., George IV., Charles 11., and James I. should be erected, and that each of these should be seven feet high. (Laughter.) He moved that the vote be reduced by £2,000, believing that this profligate waste of the public money ought imme diately to be checked. Mr. COWPER quoted a portion of his speech on a former evening in reply to Mr. Osborne. He took for granted that hon. members had read the report of the Fine Arts Com mission, which had been on the table of the house some time. That report distinctly stated that it was proposed to divide the chronological series into three departments. The first 12 were to be in the Royal Gallery, a certain number in another place, and a further number somewhere else. The monarchy and the history of the country were to be repre sented, at the same time encouragement was to be given to art such as no private individual could Rive. (Rear.) St. Stephen's Hall was filled with the statues of men who had achieved distinction in the House of Commons, and, that being's°, the House of Lords was to represent the Sove reigns of the country. Hon. gentlemen might criticise the durability of the frescoes, but means were being taken to make them durable ; indeed some were now so hard that the hon. member might wash them with soap and water as long as he liked, and rub them with a towel as long as he liked, without affecting them. (Laughter, and cries of " Oh, oh.") He trusted they would last 300 years. (Cries of " Oh, oh," and laughter.) With respect to the statuary, it was ne cessary to have a State grant to complete it properly. Those that bad been done were dressed in the costume of the day. Something had been said about the building of the house itself, but nobody could deny that the external decorations were an honour to the country. (Cheers, laugh ter, and ironical cheers.) Mr. GREGORY said, after listening to the statement of the right hon. gentleman, he (Mr. Gregory) thought that he should have been either more laconic or more communi cative. When the question was formerly before the house to erect 38 statues of British monarchs, the whole feeling of the house was against it. (Hear, hear.) He objected to the imaginary statues of Saxon kings. The house had never had the opportunity of selecting what Sovereigns to select. The noble lord at the head of her Majesty's Government had spoken of the difficult of selection—whether they were to have Alfred, which of the Edwards, &c.—at the same time they, the noble lord and his friends, knew perfectly well that four statues had been already selected. (Loud cheers.) They shifted and they shuffled the whole matter. (Cheers.) Last year there were only to be four statues ; now they had gone back to the original 38, which would cost the country £BOO a piece. (Cheers.) Why did they not tell the house what they had done, and ask the house whether it would support them or not? The hon. member for Sheffield said, the other night, that members of the Go vernment were educated in the same way that barbers brought up their apprentices—they were shave-beggars. The apprentices tried their hands on beggars, first of all, until they learned their trade. If we were to hold our own before the nations of Europe in the statuary of the house, they ought to have the very best men the country could afford, and not mediocrities to try their 'prentice hands on marble. (Cheers.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER defended the course taken by the First Ccmmissioner of works with respect to those statues of the English Sovereigns, and contended that if there had been a change of opinion, it had been in the committee of the house, and not in his right hon. friend. With respect to the patents of Lord Brougham, of Viscount Hardinge, Lord Raglan i Loid Can ning, and Lord Elphinstone, in those cases the amount of the charges was defrayed by the public. In the case of Lord Brougham the charge was £5OO odd, but the• sum ac tually paid by the public was not more than £l5O. These peerages were all granted for civil services. Sir G. BOWYER complained of the injudicious selection of the subjects of painting and sculpture, and gave as in stances the funeral of Charles 1., in which a soldier is repre sented as insulting the remains of the dead King, and the murder of Rizzio—an event not creditable to any of the painters concerned. Mr. A. SMITH referred to a speech of Mr. Cowper in last session, in which he stated that there Ns ere to be but four statues of Sovereigns—one in each corner of the Royal Gallery. After a few words from Mr. Cumws, Mr. H. SEYMOUR asked whether the Government in tended to erect statues to George IV., William IV., Charles 11., and James I ? Mr. COWPER replied ih. the affirmative. At the same time it would be in the power of the house to express its decision upon the subject next session. The discussion was continued by Mr. Gregory, Lord J. Manners, Mr. F. Peel, Mr. Wyld, Mr. Dillwyn, Sir G. C. Lewis, and Lord W. Lennox. Mr. B. OSBORNE withdrew his amendment. He would not put the house to the trouble of dividing on the items respecting the colonial bishops or the gallery i n Hyde-park , but he would divide on the items for the pa tent to Lord Brougham and the commission on fine arts fo r the Houses of Parliament. He therefore moved now that the sum of £1,456 165., being the amount of these two items, be de. ducted from the vote. The CHAIRMAN said the omission of the items must be moved separately, i d n t idaf deducted c v t o Le u do r rfdr o o f mE another,rtohueg Brougham mt w e h i wa h s Mr. B. OSBORNE them moved that the sum of £944 4s. Bd. for the Fine Arts Commission be deducted from the vote. swnsTialtom:Ndserl6ays: withdrawn n de t that two sums of £61.2 and I‘ T L4l4 h or,r l This da enooAtt motionLL amounting TiN w Eg s _ a s i was proposed by anx i ou s that his ti tle sho uld be continued a ft er h i s death. e s e shouldnt e d and e thentnhe thiitsedlobrydshhiisp surviving expressed b r other. To tha t request the Government T a h w e G ish otvheartnrhaent t ti e tl e also assented ; a nd then fo llowe d the question of tne fees. The Govern ment thought that, i n consequence of the eminent public services renderel by Lord Brougham to the cause of edu cation and the abolition of sl • avery, the fees ought to be paid by the country, I t Was to be hoped that no remnant of - party feeling would prevent the house from granting the fees for the patent. Capt. JERVIS denied that any portion of the house sva animated by anything like party feeling on this subject. Mr. MOWBRAY said that while all parties admitted the eminent services rendered by Lord Brougham, ther e were those who thought that they ought not to pay the fees ' for a man who had not rendered any public services. The committee divided, when there appeared — For the amendment 5O Against it Majority Mr. G. BENTINCK then moved to reduceth—e vote 26 by £512 165., the charge for Lord Brougham's patent. Mr. LAYARD said this was a purely party opposition. Mr. WILLIAMS observed that Lord Brougham received £lO,OOO a year during the three years he was Lord-Chan cellor, and for the 20 years which had elapsed since he had been receiving £5,000 a year. The committee then divided, when there appeared- - For the amendmeut Against it Majority.. The vote was then agreed to, the Chairman reported pro gress, and the house resumed. The other orders were then disposed of, and the hous e adjourned. COUNTRY 31A.REE7'S. BIRMINGHAM-JULY 25. At to-d's market tbere was a short supl of rr, lish wheat ay from the farmers, and no reductio p y n submittea to • but American further declined is to 2s per qr. B arley in demand, but unaltered in price. Oats and beans were stationary. Peas held for rather more money. MANCHESTER—JULY 25.° Best samples of English wheat brought the prices of the previous week for best qualities ; inferior sorts offered at irregular prices, with a slow business. Sales restricted to the finest sorts of flour, at previous quotations. Oats 0 4 oatmeal in limited request. Beans and Indian corn were steady. LYNN—JULY 23. The supply of wheat was middling, but maintaining the prices of last week. Barley was unaltered. Oats, beans, and peas brought full rates. Old white 53s to 56s I Old red 48s to 520 Barley.. 28s to 32s Oats.. Beans .40s to 46s I Peas 48s to 540 MELTON MOWBRAY—JULY 23. There was a small show of wheat to-day, which sold at about the previous week's rates for all description s. Barley less inquired for, but maintaining late rates. , 4 , oats quotations the turn higher. Prices : White wheat, 0 " Od to 60s Od; red, 47s Od to 56s per 36 stone; beans scarce, at 57s to 60s for old ; new sorts, 46s per 38 et. / barley, 36s to 40s for malting, and 29s to 32s per qr. fo r grinding; oats, 22s to 28s Od per 24 stone. CORK—JULY 24.1 ite" The following were the quotations this morning • wheat, 27s Od to —s Od ; white, 288;6d to —s Od; barley It' 6d to 18s Od ; oats, 12s 6d to 15s Od. EDINBURGH GRAIN—JULY 24. Wheat on the top is Od down. average Os 10d 1. 1 1 ) .,' Barley on the top 2s 6d down . average Os 2d dovim' Oats on tho top Os 6d down., average Os 3d dovio• Beans on the top is Od down. average Os 6d dow' Averages per Imperial quarter. Wheat £2 12 3 9-12ths New wheat .. ..... Q 0 0 0-12ths Barley 1 13 1 7-12ths Oats 1 9 7 5-12ths Beans Total Supply and Sales. Wheat .1579 qrs Sold 1259 qrs 8ar1ey........ 177:qrs Sold 132 qrs Oats Beans 74 qrs Sold 41 qrs DERBY SMITHFIELD—JULY 23. t A large number of fat boasts to-day, but the greater Pa r, only of the middling sort. The best quality in recrle s b "; inferior a heavy sale. Sheep an average supply, but la ta were plentiful. A good show of pigs. Calves sold be tter, but few of them. Beet 6r, to 71d Veal Mutton .... 6id to 714 Pork Lamb Bd to 8 3 / 4 d Rough fat, 4s 8d 6p6dder: tsilti'll• Hides, 3d to 40 ; calf skins, 5d to 6d. TILE MAILS. MAILS DUE. Australia, Ceylon, and Mauritius (Via South ampton) .. • Do. Brazil and Cape Verds Buenos Ayres, Monte Video, &c. Cuba and Mexico July Canada, &c. (via L'derry) •• 119 Overdue. Cape of Good Hope, &c. Aug. 1 * China, Penang, and Singapore (via S'ampton) Aug. 2 2 ;, , Jul Do (via Marseilles) . Gibraltar (via Southampton) .. 2 ' India(Caloutta), Ceylon, &c. (via Southampton) July -;.; Do. (via Marseilles) July 26. India (Bombay), (via Southampton) .. .. July , DO. (via Marseilles) .. Aug. 4 . Lisbon .. .. Aug. 1,: . Malta, Egytt z and Adon e( (; i i: A S i o a u rs t e h i ar ei ston) Vigo, and Oporto .. Aug. 1 . United States, California, &c. „. Aug. 1. Western Coast of Africa, Madeira, Teneriffe West Indies and Pacific, Carthagena, Cuba, &a. July 2'. '. • • • • • A u g, 1.8. (via Marseilles) Aug. 12 ' „„ Aug. 4. ANOTHER FIRE NEAR TOOLEY-STREET.—Ye SteI : day morning about 5 o'clock a fire broke out in the pre mise' belonging to Mr. T. Nash, brush and mop manufacturer; 1, Minto-street, Bermondsey, and was extinguished, 131' not until the upper floors were burned out and part of .08 roof destroyed. The premises of Mr. J. Wallace, 012118 2 160, Long-lane, are also damaged by fire, and the conterw' injured by water. The origin of the fire is unknown. 11/6 sufferers were insured. [ADVERTISEMENT.]—Among the numerous extraor dl . 6 ; nary cures without medicine of indigestion, (dYsPeP si v i , flatulency, constipation, nervous, bilious and liver co tec t plaints, cough, asthma, consumption and debility, efl o y by Du Barry's delicious health restoring Revalents , bica Food, the following are not the least remarkable; Cure No. 47,121.—" Miss Elizabeth Jacobs, of r' ° '` e t , Vicarage, Waltham-cross, Herts ; a cure of extreme 11 0 0 vousness, indigestion, gatherings, low spirits, and Ivr y 0 , fancies." Cure No. 48,314.—" Miss Elizabeth Yee. Il t ;i 3 d Gateacre, near Liverpool ; cure of ten years' dyspepsia all the horrors of nervous irritability." Cure No. 3, 9 '74 Thirteen years cough, indigestion, and general debn o has been removed by Du Barry's excellent Revalel 3 h , Arabica Food. James Porter, Athol-street, re',6 Avoid Pills and Medicines : they invariably aggravate .. „: oi perpetuate diseases ; their annoyan ce , di sappo intnr-v and expense may be avoided by us i ng D u B arr y's which, at a few pence per day, saves 50 times its coSt other remedies, removing effectually, without purgfaa constipation, indigestion (dyspepsia) nervous, bilious liver complaints and all their consequences. Ceraci e r ep No. 36,418. W e fi n d it th e sa f est remedy. Andrew MD., F.R.S., Dr Harvey, Dr. Wurzer, Dr. Shorlandi Campell. Let i nva lid s avo id th e f ear f u l dangers of sp ol rious and injurious imitations offered under a variet , oo false pretences. Nevill's imitations are prohibited bbl u os high Court of Chancery under a penalty of £5,000 ag e c ad Alfred Hooper Nevill and his agents ; and the preteors that Nevill has a patent for Arabica Food and tha t f ,to , Barry's are connected with such patent are utterly fe d No canister is genuine without the name Barry Du v at , and Co., 77, Regent-street, in full, ontheseal and svre l 2,,o l Shopkeepers who attempt imposition in one article nib. expect to be distrusted in all others. Packed in till° TO , 2s. 9d.; 21b. 4s. 6g. 51b. lls.; 121 b. 225. ; 241 b. 40s. 121 b. and 241 b. canisters are sent car r iage free onr,, ec ltef of Post-office order by Barry Du B arr y an d Co., 7 1 4,000 gent-street, London; Fortnum M ason , an d Co. i" os' 60, Gracechurch-street ; 4, Cheirpside ; 63 and 150, A te bard-street; 330 and 451, Straira; 49 and 60, BishoP/Co: street ; Batty, 16, Finsbury Pavement ; Phillips en tre at, tea-dealers; Petty, Wood, and Co., King William -° City ; at 127 Met 8011-wren ; and all arocers. 4 A nV [ADVERTISEMENT.]—HoIIoway's Pills an d Oinae the - Consequences of Neglect.—ln our variable climat e v ole large proportion of disease s t o w hi c h man kind is : g uSt depend on the neglect or inefficient t rea tment of cfl , " colds, influenza, and rheumatism. The prudent wile attention to all the first symptom,s which are reraor jfl once by the use of Holloway's Pills and Ointraell,!_et chest complaints, while taking his Pills, their e ri tT ruel it quickened and increased by briskly rubbing his 19„„i minute on the back and breast twice a day for five ul l — men t t o longer if convenient. The friction causes the Oin penetrate the skin, whence it passes to the lungs,.'' 4 o purifies the whole mass of blood as it flows through te' organs in its circulation. BIRTFIS - Adler, of a son. cOt" ADLER.—On the 24th inst., at 16, Finsbury -8 CUMBERLAND,—On the 25t h . inst., at Chilsea- green ,mach wife of Richard E. cumberi— tage, near Chertsey, the Esq., of a daughter. De inst., at Moor I- House quare, f r° ' HYDE.—On the 20th ga,e ....ouse, East o f hem, Norfolk, the wife o f . Henry Elwin Hyd e , BSCI. , Lincoln's-inn, of a daughter. Brad o 0 Smirrit.—On. the 11th inst., at Shi pley, near Brm— e 0 Esq., Yorks hire, the wife of J. Wil son S mith, Es of a I jFohrnederica, youngest daughter MAanLdCOhLeMir---. MARRIAG ES BOSTON. OR t Wingfieldh e 25 t h Malcolm, n . s /v ci l u o Ha L r.e Y ,R N J E u u l x i lit ß o ai the Hon.e H r - o s n c 1 u Alic eLa r o e ' d Boston. owli — , l ß l. 0 a s ic"ol a m t , S E t' sq G . B ,ls On the 18th inst., at St. Y h a e ll iat_ 4 6 R o o w n y o y w — . Captain F. of the Re C Rev, apel Molyneux, to Julia, fourth daub R.N., fourth son or i, 41: BE LMORE.—On the 22 D d i BA DSt. , at heresidence, GreatP:;l 77 ostrevor, Ireland, Juliana, Countess of Belmore; 11. ecti THS ; gedi BEASLEY.—On the 21st inst ,, at Milton, near Grac, e- m 0 , Folkestone, Bent, o a f ge S a u 7 r 4 fl . eet, Lincolnshire, and jaw • - soyt lif BLYTH.—On the 23d inst., Euphemia, wife of Jas . - 40 Esq., of 24, Hyde-park-gardens, and of WoolhaOr House, Berks. ° ute ra i l . CLARK.—On the 22d inst., W. Clark, Esq , of Aci& - Pontefract, aged 55. aC l ' CAYLEY.—On the 23d inst., at Northfleet, Mr. Jolla ley, formerly of Islington, aged 56. MASON.—On the 24th inst. , Wm. Mason, Esq. , of 13scif°4 place, Kensington, aged 81. or e ' Wriamsmv.—Con the 23d inst. at 4, Brunswick -A-toff Camberwell, John James Wilkinson, Esq., acco an " House of Commons, aged 64. LONDON Printed and Published by MURDO rO strait, No. 112, Strand, Printer, at TnE Sux Office, No. 112,4'0000 in the Precinct of the Savoy, In the County , of Frigity, July 26, 1861, Not% the bore theal seem till Dec for' givf stre T 1 )3 isgul Intel Pray; T 1 the s the TI Stec th e( Pc Com the 1 Com fiber I. p i 2 . It a ITE rest. sf ue cot A Opel AR( M. 1 N( for e Men Com obtal Add: C the the 1 beau most of sc 22, NI /c‘ 93,