The Sun. — London, England, 1834-05-23 00:00:00

they mad r. FERGt ►mittee v to en; I for lea' 1 4 bl oo d of the debtor. It was inhuman and impolit i c, 11 could 1 10 t taa 5)00 abolished. If he hal any e4°Jection to the present bill; it iv 13 that it did not go far k c ' u gh• He considered bills aril bonds should be like th se exempted. It was oily cases of fraud, proved before jim iges, that should subject the debtor's person to ilearceration. With respect to what had fallen from the ,„" 1 - Member for Knaresborough, he had to express re rt at his misfortune in contracting so many bad (Laughter.) But let it be recollected they been incurred under the present system, with all 41 ' .beasted guarantees. (Hear.) The present bill work better, and therefore he thought the hon. te e niber ought to support it. (Laughter.) He had I ad the report most carefully, and with much satisfac and he would give the bill his most cordial support. 14r. TOOItE supported the bill. „ kr, Serg eant SPANKIE oppose d it. If imprison etit for d e b t was a b o li s h ed on mesne p r ocess, he !Peed with hon. gentlemen who had preceded him, 1 °,4 the busin ess o f the country wou ld be destroyed. • Persons at the present period went into debt they • ere aware of the penalty to which they would sub- Je themselv es i n case they did not pay the demands Might be made upon them. This acted as a check t4;rlcl restraint. A summary process he deemed essen .4ll and would therefore oppose the bill. O i l HON. MEMBER, as a commercial man, hoped rp tl .. „e Speedy mode would be adopted for recovering ,„ 8. 4u. debts. Scotland had been mentioned and eulo f:ed) but as far as his experience went, nothing could horse than the system pursued in that country. birt Alderman COPELAND would oppose the With respect to Scotland, it was impossible to wi„ . ect debts there ; indeed h e h a d b een o bli ge d t o er ,,'idraw hi s t rave ll er , h e not b e i ng a bl e to e ff ect any 1; 0 ,7 b his journeys. He was young in business . ; but i t Ins experience he considered the present bill, if j 4 1 48 e ,.: d into a law, would be found to work most pre ;l4l.l.l' to the commercial interests of the country. i f th " I ItOTCH was opposed to the abstract principle t r 'of of arrest ; but he considered that in cases * s mall debts there could not be found a better substi- Ili % for the protection of the creditor, and, therefore, „ e ho use oug h t t o pause b e f ore t h ey a b o li s h e d t h e Pr esent law. The 'the bill estion was then put, and leave given to bring . ,_ IDEBATES IN PARLIAMENT. alr. TOOKE rose to move, " that instruction be ''''ea to the select committee on the business of the ° llse to consider and report on the expedieney o f % tablishi ng or encouraging the publication of an au ith,,entic report of the debates ari s i ng i n t h e h ouse, re "g to public and private business, and of the pro eedings connected th erew i t h . " He could assure the ° o us e , that in rising to bring forward the present ption for instruction being given to the committee for i 4 e purposes already named, he felt a due sense of the , r , r , 'Portance of the subject thus mooted, and nothing ~e n u ld have induced him to bring it forward but a k s eiof what he considered due to the public interest. a s l_nowevey, wished . to be understood, in limine, pre of meaning to impugn the veracity or ability of the b tit ez tt, reports. They were admirable of the kind ; t . Who could say they were sufficient for the purposes tre l l,al information ? Public questions met, it was h e ,,,1 With every attention. but private ones were totally tt l Z: e te,d• This could not be considered fair, as q - ,,..,' w ho were concerned in private bills should be '„, , --y informed as those who watched the progress public events. to Lord ALTHORP said, the question for the house iconsider was, whether it would change the present El vvul by which the debates were given to the public? th e considered no case had been made out to justif) 'N ee l_ in the c h ange contemp l ate d b y t h e h on. mem b er. cot ; publie, it had been admitted, had no reason to li e bP„_, l ain of any loss in the manner in which the pub ftd coziness was attended to. In fact, it was wonder kid e w so much could be done with so much ability. th e 8 , 1161 great accuracy. If' the debates extended tc 0,. length desired by the hon. member, he would trestion whether they would be read—whether they ° aid not be too voluminous—whether, in fact, the P o l lib lie would wade through them. Mere verbatim t,CbOrt-hand re ports would not d o ; t h ere was some llg more req s uired. A condensation was necessary 1, - , /beet the public taste and the public time. (H ear , ~e t ri 2 and laughter.) Private business was not ne- L'eeted, when th a t b us i ness was at a ll essent i a l to b e Ztieed. The present system, in fine, was found to 7wer well, and he considered it should not be r ua nged. There were expedients which had been -eocit°llllnended by committees appointed to take into tie sideration other topics -` but he did not think that ,o reco mmendations of those committees—he alluded !? the mode of taking the votes on the divisions of '44 house —could be adopted with any reasonable t e , l Peetati on o f success. He was decidedly of opinion tiniat, by refer r i ng t h e present su bj ect to a committee , e h ouse would not be enabled to promulgate their , Vccedin gs i n a b etter manner th an at present , nor 4 1 °4 41 th e pu bli c d er ive more advantages. H e s h ou ld, Ner efore, feel it his duty to oppose the motion. , I Sir S. WHALLEY could easily understand why he members of the administration should have so treat a reluctance to have their speeches taken down 1 4 full length. He belie ve d that i t wou ld b e exceed ti .1 3' unpleasant to many if a plan were acted upon which the speech es o f h on . mem b ers cou ld b e dis interred from their graves, and brought against them, hit:tout 16aving a chance of denial, at future opportu d . 'es • If members came there with the intention of co el „ . ! 1 1 their duty—if they thought it proper that their tha t should be acquainted with the fact of at di h . th e , so barge—if the trust which was confided to th e was important, as it unquestionably was, then e ,,:Y Ought t o have no hesitation ; but on the contrary, h . `rY desire to afford those constituents the fullest op fenanity which they could give them of ascertaining „.." What way they acted on every occasion, and what I ,'..illions actuated them in their line of conduct. It ; 4 4 not alone for the public that he advocated a full i e Port of all that passed in that house. If they were have an authorized report of their p rocee di ngs, i t d id not follow that that report should be ci rcu l a t e d L e 'lerally. He did not hesitate to say that it would a national loss if that publication to which h e h a d t ,,,, ,lred, the Mirror of Parliament, should be allowed r e f for the want of a public grant. He thought d 6 0 ," could question that it would be very es 'le if the debates were published more `ac curate' Pap er Y and more fully than they were in the public when it He thought that this would not be denied c ee ;ii Lt was recollected that the debates and the pro int, e n gs of that house were not alone of the utmost pro -4 the r st and importance to their constituents—that y did not concern alone the capital or the empire k „large, b ut t h at t h ey were regarded with the deepest e ; ration by the various Courts in Europe, and indeed i!reulated over the whole civilized world. (Much ,c l oghter.) The house might treat that with laughter, °tit it was not an assertion without foundation—it was r iot a n assertion that he made on his own authority. He had heard the noble lord the Secretary of State i Lr Foreign Affairs make that same statement ( A 'ge.) Yes, and seve ral hon. members might re collect that during the discussion upon a motion t l4 e by th e h on . mem ber for Kirkcudb r i g h t , relative th the affairs of Poland and the conduct of R uss i a, „e noble lord said, with reference to the cruel treat t"i'lent of t h e P o l es, t h at t h e d e b a tes in that h ouse upon et_isu.bject would teach a better lesson to the Autocra, or til the Russias than any vote they could . come to 'Y re resentation which the administration cou l d kak e _P la r a • 6tich was the importance which the noble ~. attribut.ed to the sentiments of hon. memers, j 17% therefore, the faithful representation of those Posed was a question which could not be lig h t l y rritssed over. The noble lord could never use that ar ell, ent a ga i n , i f a negative was put upon the votes on th e motion. Mr. STANLE Y said -1 cannot understand why a'My person who ever did fill the office of a public Lister in this count r y, or who minister, whom an b does fill the office of or y ody think s should' at an) on fut ure time fill office as a minister —I cannot conceive a What ground such an individual should take the leas t_ ll interest whatsoever in the consideration of this ;itioestion, or why he should imagine it to be one in the (l i s e l remote degree personally interestin g to himself. t a k i ar, hear.) For with regard to tlie.possibility of oier / V up long-departed speeches to which the hon. s'ir Who last addressed the house has alluded-1 ' . , wi tt „ cr own ,:regard to any speech that a minister of the Years, have delivered within the last 80 or 100 ( li e . lere are at present ample means for reviving it win i er ), and I would add, there are also persons quite --.. 4 :,!,..and fully prepared to rake up such speeches, so quoted .l oalf sentences extracted from them ,—whether and garbled as to disagree with the context ,—whether Me rn e,! r it of the body of which they form imperfect p urpos "s it matters not,—and this, it may be, for t h e extr act , of putting a different interpretation on the . order f romto that which they will fairly bear, and in f vettr , contrast in the strongest light and most un the io9 l e manner the past and present sentiments of - Okra' oilidual, whether a minister of the crown or in -"ko other public situation. (Hear.) But every man who aspires to any public situation in the service of his country must appreciate at its due weight--that is, he must utterly ontrrot —r,ll such attacks upon an apparent want of consistency in public men as are brought forward merely as clap-traps, and for the pur pose of producing a momentary impression against the sentiments now expressed in a present speech, but not as sound and valid arguments against the principles which it involves. So much on the subject of the sentiment with which the hon. gentleman commenced his speech, a sentiment which, as applied to. public men or mini sters, I cannot understand. But I can very well un derstand that there is a class of persons who may have scats in this house, and whose speeches, with all the pains they can take, and notwithstanding their great merits, may not be so widely promulgated by means of the public press as the speakers wish. ( Hear, and laughter.) I can very well understand that there may be persons who, having risen from being prime orators in a parish vestry, do nevertheless find their inferiority in the House of Commons. ( Renewed laughter.) I can very well understand that there may be reasons why such individuals should repine that their speeches are not reported at length in the newspapers, and complain that their fame is not extensive enough. ( A laugh.) I can very well understand the grounds on which those gentlemen may think the press wrong in taking a different view of their weight and merits from that which they themselves entertain. I can also understand why, though the speeches of those indi viduals would be considered entitled to great respect and ample dimensions in a parish meeting, or a coun try paper ; I say I can understand, or at least ima gine, why they form but a small part of the printed records of the debates in this house, and are rather under-rated by newspapers, whose object it is to publish matters generally interesting to the country at large. ( Hear, hear.) Such being the case, I can very well understand why the plenipotentiary of the kingdom of Marylebone (Laughter) calls upon his brother mi nister (the Secretary of State for the Foreign De partment) to support a motion, the object of which is to circulate widely his important ideas, and give currency throughout all the courts of Europe to his powerful and extensive views. (Great laughter.) ' I can very well understand that the dignity of the kingdom of Marylebone should be properly sustained by its plenipotentiary and representative, that he ought not to yield to the Foreign Secretary ; and I can as readily believe, if the Autocrat of all the Russias should happen to hear that the hon. gentleman had denounced him in the House of Commons,—l can as easily be lieve, that it such an event, the Czar would think his empire gone for ever. ( Hear, hear, laughter, and a cry of " Order," " Question," from Sir S Whalley.) The hon. gentleman calls me to order, and cries " Question." I am not aware in what respect I am out of order, and I always supposed that it was not over civil to call " Question" when a gentleman was speaking, especially if he happened to be speaking di rectly to the question. If the hon. gentleman means to say that I am not speaking to the point in debate, I maintain and am ready to prove the contrary. I am answering the hon. gentleman's speech, and my ob ject is to show that those mighty interests in the coun try which, according to the hon. member, exercise so great an influence on the empire at large and the whole of Europe do now receive sufficient scope and currency ; that the feelings and sentiments of what is most important in the country, in the constituent and representative body, are carried all over Europe, and have due weight with every power. But it appears that some of those gentlemen to whom I have before alluded, whose sentiments do not carry equal weight with them, complain that their speeches are not dif fused so widely as they might desire. ( Cheers and laughter.) I am instancing the case which the hon. gentleman himself puts. The hon. gentleman says—" I, the representative of Marylebone, call upon you, the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, to join me in this motion for the publication of an authentic report of the debates of the house." ( Sir S. Whalley-- No,—not so.") Not so ? Then I do not wonder that the public press should be occasionally mistaken. ( A laugh.) I think the authorized reporter of the hon. gentleman will have a hard task. (Laughter.) Certainly, if I were his authorized reporter I should have put down with the utmost confidence that the hon. gentleman called on my noble friend the Foreign Secretary to support the motion. ( Renewed laughter. ) And why should I have done so ? Because the hon. gentleman stated, on the noble lord's own admission, everything that falls from hon. members in this house is circulated all over Europe, and must necessarily influence foreign powers, and therefore I, the repre sentative of the kingdom of Marylebone, call upon you, 'my noble colleague. and Secretary for Foreign Affairs, to join me in this motion for the communication of our joint sentiments in an authentic and influential shape to all the courts of Europe. ( Hear, and laughter.) Such were not exactly the hon. gentleman's words, Jut such was the spirit of his statement. ( Sir S. Whalley—" You have a very bad case.") " A very bad case," does the hon. gentleman say ? That re mains to be proved. The question is, as to the ad vantage or disadvantage of the present method of pub lishing the debates as opposed to the system which the hon. gentleman proposes. How does the present plan work ? I have very often occasion to trouble the house ; it is true I have little time to read the reports that appear in the newspapers of my speeches, or those of other members,--perhaps the hon. gentleman has more time, and devotes it to the perusal of his own speeches. (Laughter.) ( Sir S. Whalley—" I do not read yours.") The honourable gentleman says he does not waste his time in reading my speeches, whatever time he may devote to his own. ( A laugh.) Well, I do not complain of my speeches being misreported, and neither will the hon. gentleman, for he does not read them. (Laughter.) But the hon. gentleman complains that there is not sufficient space devoted to the speeches of the repre sentative of Marylebone in the newspapers, the writers of which have an awkward trick of being guided by their own judgments, or, better still, their own inte rests ( Laughter) in the admission of matter which they give or withhold, in proportion to their belief of its importance or the reverse. Is it surprising that the newspapers should contain what the readers of news papers desire to read rather than what nobody could be found to read? ( Hear and laughter.) Is not this reasonable ? The hon. gentleman says, " No, give us not a selection of readable and interesting matter, but the whole debate ; every word that is spoken in Parliament, everything without misrepresentation or omission, no matter how full of repetitions or how devoid of interest." Now suppose the hon. gentleman gets his authorized reporter to take down every word spoken within those walls, and the whole is published, what wil be the consequence ? I will tell the hon. , gentleman, the people won't read a word of it. (Great laughter.) What is the state of things at present ? Are not the proceedings of the house published and circulated ? They are, and that by authority. Every petition is stated, every stage of every bill, and all the proceedings on every bill, public or private, are re corded. This by authority, and further, so far as the newspapers think the matter important or interesting to their readers, the details of proceedings go forth to the public. ( Hear.) But the full debates, all long and dresome speeches, repetitions and inanities, do not go forth, because all of a considerable number of indivi duals connected with the papers, but not acting in con cert, agree that in those debates there is a great deal o f f needless and worthless matter, which nobody cares tt hoourenb, gioogentleman unless wd o su e i l it be sense, eu e : thetorre proposesbapeda t. r tt better ( c r nH u to l he a t ra r , tno, tleavehaend good speakers, isot laughter.) g a as n hne d tyne which to o h e Trt t hh h t eoe e what they will publish upon interests of the writers of the de cideapeoeruspidreersasttioeuef what the community—their customers— will or will not buy. ( Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman ouse proposes that that every thing done or spoken in the h circulated by authority in future. ( Sir S. Whalley__ " I proposed no change in what is now d one ; I merly said that it would be a shame and a national re p roach if the only accurate report of our proceedings were allowed to drop for want of support.") Very well, the hon. gentleman wants no change ; he merely says that it would be a national loss if the only accurate re port of the proceedings of the house were allowed to fall for want of support. I presume the hon. gentle man refers to the Mirror of Parliament? ( Sir S. Whalley—" Yes.") If so, all I can say is, that as far as I have had an opportunity of judging, that publica tion has been conducted with great enterprise, skill, and ability. The right hon. gentleman proceeded to say that the question whether that publication must drop or not was one for the public to decide. If the hon. gentleman was so anxious that full and complete re ports of his speeches—such, no doubt, as appeared in the Mirror of Parliament—should be given to his con stituents, why, the hon. gentleman might distribute a number of Mirrors of Parliament amongst his consti tuents for that purpose. His constituents, of course, would be obliged to him for them ; those who chose would read them, and those who did not would not ; but it was rather too much to call on the public to pay for such a thing. He (Mr. Stanley) believed that ell matters of importance—in all debates of interest—the public press at the present moment gave of what pas , : d in that house as long, as full, and as correct ACCOUI tS as the public wan.ee—is the public wished for ; raid that the publication of the debates, as now given in de tail in the daily papers, viewed as the means of con veying information to the public of what was done there, and as thereby the means of affording the check of public opinion on the proceedings of that house, and of the members of it, —he repeated that the publica tion of all important debates was, regarded in such a light, given in the daily press to as large an extent as the public themselves thought desirable. ( Hear, hear.) Besides, it should be considered that !even were any plan of this kind desirable, it must be attended with considerable expense to the public. During the last fortnight they had imposed "more than 1,000,0001. on the consolidated fund. They had during the last fortnight placed upon it votes for 120,0001., for 140,000/., and for 520,0001. They had, in fact, placed to the charge of the consolidated fund during that pe riod a sum amounting to no less than 1,000,000/. ster ling. Now what was in reality the proposition of the hon. and learned member ? It amounted in truth to this—that as nobody read their speeches when given at full length, as the public did not think it worth their while to read the debates in such an enlarged form ; and as the members were anxious that their constituents should know all that they did and said in that house, therefore that the consolidated fund should have a charge imposed upon it for the purpose, the public paying for the publication of speeches, which they, which nobody would think it worth their while to read. (Hear, hear.) He would again repeat that he would, if there was no other objection to it, object to this proposition on the ground of the total absence of any necessity for it. The debates were given,-as he had already said, in the public papers at present as fully upon all important questions as the public required. In all important discussions the public were made acquainted as fully as was neces sary with what every man said in that house. But above all, he objected to the proposition, because it would go to establish a monopoly in the publication of the debates in that house, in opposition to the news papers, which published sufficiently full reports at the present moment. He objected to the establishment of a monopoly for an authenticated authorised publi cation of the speeches delivered . in that house. The present system of reporting the proceedings of parlia ment in the daily papers afforded to the public as full an account eemp complete a of check them uponas t t h h e e y t e e e d d , i eagnad of affordedthat houses p w r an oc as the public could desire to possess ; and he therefore objected to the establishment of an a uthorised mono poly in the publication of speeches, which no one would ever read when they were published. (Hear, hear.) Colonel D A VIE S said that they should adhere to the real question before them, and not wander into matters that had nothing to do with it. The right hon. gentleman, in attacking the hon. member for Marylebone, had followed the example which he had condemned on the part of that hon. member, and had indulged in sarcasm instead of employing argument. The question was not whether the speeches of Mini sters, or of any other members of that house, were or were not fully reported, but the simple question was whether or not there should be an authorized and au thenticated publication of the speeches delivered in that house. ( Hear.) All that was urged by his hon. friend on the subject was, that it should be an instruc tion to the committee to take that question into consi deration. The committee might report, after doing so, that there was no necessity for any authorised re port of the proceedings of that house, or they might report the contrary way. At all events, the question was one well worthy of being sent to them for consi deration. He (Colonel Davies) was of opinion that an authenticated publication of the proceedings of that house would be productive of great benefit. The right hon. gentleman objected to the proposition on the ground of expense. Now he (Colonel Davies) would venture to say, that if they referred the matter to a select committee, it could be shown that they might have an authorised account of what passed in that house without the publication costing the public a single shilling of expense. (Hear, hear.) There was no one more ready than lie was to admit the extraor dinary accuracy with which the public papers gave the debates in that house ( Hear) ; but it was perfectly impossible that the daily papers could give all that oc curred there at full length. It was quite impossible that all their proceedings could be given in full detail in the daily papers. The question then was, whether they should not entertain the proposition for an au thenticated publication of their debates, and send it to a conimittee• up stairs for consideration. He for one supported the proposition, as he was of opinion that it would be productive of great public benefit. Mr. C. FERG USSON said that he would not support the motion, if the object of it was to establish a monopoly in opposition to the daily public press. ( Hear.) He, for one, would say that the manner in which the public press was conducted with regard to the debates in that house was such as hon. members had no right to complain of. (Hear, hear.) If hon. gentlemen would only refer to the reports of their speeches in the public papers, they would generally find that when they were not reported at great length it did not arise from the fault of the reporters, but that it was the fault of hon. members themselves, who had not on such occasions spoken sufficiently well to entitle them to a detailed report. (A laugh, and "Hear,hear.") He (Mr. C. Fergusson) believed that, generally speaking, he was as shortly reported as any hon. mem ber in that house, but of that he did not complain. He thought that if hon. members would look to those speeches that were shortly reported, they would find that in most instances it arose from such speeches being more deficient in point than those that had been given at greater length. ( Hear, hear.) The reporters were generally exceedingly happy in giving the points of a speech, and if an hon. member should be happy in making points in his speech, he would have no reason to complain when he found those points pre served while the unnecessary verbiage was rejected. ( A laugh, and " Hear, hear.") He would support the motion, but he would repeat that he would not do so if he at all thought that it would go to establish a monopoly against the public press. He supported it because he thought that it would be of great public advantage to establish an authentic record of all the proceedings in that house. It was not the interest of the public press to give debates upon many questions, however important those questions might be to certain parts of the empire, at any length, and, indeed, it was often impossible for the daily papers, even upon questions of the highest public interest, to give the reports, owing to the time at which the debates occurred, at any length, if they would give them at all. Every one who attended that house was aware that important debates often oc curred at such late hours, that it was impossible for the reporters to do any justice to them. He had him self often heard good speeches delivered at 2 and 3 o'clock in the morning, when it was obvious to every one that it was impossible that they could be reported at such a late hour at any length in the daily papers. It might be observed upon important debates, that while the speeches delivered early in the evening were given at great length, those delivered at a later hour, though perhaps more eloquent and important, were necessarily abridged in the daily papers. He himself could state several instances when subjects of the greatest importance were brought on at a late hour in the house, yid where, without any blame attaching to those who conducted the daily press, such discussions were greatly abridged, if not altogether omitted. It was obviously impossible that anything like justice could be done to discussions that occurred after mid night, as important debates very frequently did in that house. There were also instances where the daily papers, it being their interest he supposed to do so, abridged to a very great extent discussions upon im portant subjects in that house. He could instance the discussions that occurred in committee upon the East India charter. He had known a debate of five or six hours in that committee despatched in seven or eight throughout houg inudteedse,etltaheadt that lines. H e h a d k nown di scuss i ons upon t h e S co t c h Reform Bill g i ven w i t h equa l b rev i ty , an d h e under atwastheya could deral not complaint whatplaint their representatives said in the House of Commons. (A laugh, and " Hear, hear.") It was a g ene ral subject complaint througho u t S cot l an d that • s rela ting to that country were not reported sufficiently fully. It appeared to him, indeed, that the discussions relating to Scotland might certainly be given at greater length than they press, the more particularly as Irish subjects occupied such a space in their columns, and the speeches of the representatives from that country were given such enormous length, whil e t h ose ho n. at members who had no right at all to compl • am on the subject actually complained that their speeches were not reported. ( Hear, and a laugh.) He thought that more thaii justice was done to the speeches of those hon. mem bers (A laugh) while there were no reports at all of several most important discussions relating to Scot land. It therefore appeared to him a great object to have a full and authenticated report published of the proceedings that took place in that house—any per sons wli;s;. opinions were of consequence—any per sons like ministers of the crown, filling high official situations, and who might have their opinions here after quoted in debates it was of great importance to all such persons that their opinions should be quoted correctly. No members were so interested in that object as the hon. members who sat upon the trea sury benches. Though there were many things that passed in that house that the daily newspapers might not think it worth their while to report, yet there was no doubt that they were of importance to some portion or other of the people of England, and it would there fore be most desirable to have a full and authentic re port of what passed there published. His right hon. friend said that the public would not read such report when published. Those constituents who were in terested in the subject would read the report of the debate upon it ; and it was but right that each part of the empire should know the part which their represen tatives took in qiiestions, to them, of great importance. He would therefore support the motion, on the ground that the people should have a full and authentic report of what occurred in that house. But it was said by his right hon. friend that such an object would not be attained without great expense to the public. If it could not be other wise done, he for one would abandon it till some fu ture opportunity. But the hon. member for Wor cester had stated that it could be effected without one shilling of expense to the public. The question then was, whether they should not have a full and authen tic report of what passed in that house. That was the plestion, and not whether they should establish the .51irror of Parliament. He thought that such an authentic record of their proceedings might be esta blished without any injury to the daily press. He would therefore give his support to the motion. Mr. W. WYNN said that he hardly understood what was exactlythe proposition before the house. It was, as he understood it, for an authorized and au thentic report of their debates, and then it was stated that they should be published without any restriction save the discretion of the authorized reporters. There was no medium—no alternative to choose between those two propositions. Either it must, after all, be left to the judgment and discretion of the reporter to determine what shall be given and what shall be omitted, or they must have every word that was uttered given. Now in attempting to report fully all that occurred, it would be impossible for the re porters to avoid numerous mistakes, owing to the noise and confusion which so often prevailed in the house. Was it intended to report at full length every word that was uttered, whether the question regarded .a railroad, which, though totally devoid of national or general, might be possessed of great local, im portance, or whether the question was one that affected and interested equally all the parts of the empire ? Let them but for a moment re flect upon the immense length to which the publication of their debates would reach, if every word that was uttered in that house upon every pos sible subject should be reported. They usually ex tended their debates in the evening sittings to 8 hours. They had to add to that what took place at the morn ing sittings. They generally sat for that time 4or .5 days in the week. They must therefore see what an enormous extent of space the debates of 30 or 40 hours' duration would, if fully reported, occupy in any publi cation, and what an immense time it would take to read through such a mass of matter. ( Hear.) It was perfectly impossible that there could be any de mand for such a publication. It could only be pub ' lished at the public expense, and it would be impos sible to find persons to read it. It was impossible, as he had said already, seeing the noise which so often took place in the house, that a reporter could take down accurately everything that occurred. It would therefore be necessary, if there was an authentic re port of their speeches, for which members should con sider themselves responsible, that they should them selves correct their speeches, to see whether there was anything in them which therhad not uttered. Now, it would be utterly impossible for ministers, and for 'members connected with the law, frequently to ad dress the house, if they should be obliged to correct the report of every speech that they delivered. That they would be obliged to do so was manifest, if they established an authorized publication of the proceed ings, as all members would be responsible for their speeches inserted in such publication. Where was the utility of referring such a proposition to a commit tee ? What advantage would a committee have in discussing it, that was not attainable by the house at large ? The question was, whether the proposition would be fraught with any public benefit, and whether it would not be attended with great public expense.. He had not heard any plat: proposed by which it could he carried into effect without expense to the public. If it could be done so, it was fit that the house should be made acquainted with such plan ; and then, if the house thought that the plan was a good one, and that it would be advantageous to adopt it, it might refer it for consideration to a select committee. Ho believed that the best security for the proper and impartial publication of the debates of that house in the public press was to be found in the competition of that press. ( Hear, hear.) At present, he was of opi nion that upon all important subjects the debates were as correctly and as fully given as the public desired. He recollected, however, that some years ago a dif ferent system was adopted, and that a complete mis representation of the' speeches of particular members appeared in the daily papers. He remembered that, in one instance, the late Mr. Tierney having given some offence to the press, his speeches were for a long period altogether omitted. With respect to the de bates in the committee on the East India Charter, to which allusion had been made, it did strike him that though the matters which were discussed in that com mittee were of great importance, yet that the speeches made upon them had been so often repeated, that if they had been published in the daily papers no one would be found to read a word of them. (Hear, hear.) It was either intended by the present proposition that a full report of all that occurred in the house should be given, or that selections should be made of the most material and interesting points in each discussion. That selection should be made upon the responsibility of an editor appointed for the purpose by the house ; but if that editor should happen to curtail the speech of an lion. member shorter than he thought it should be given, that member might say to him, " I have as good a right to have my sentiments reported fully, and they are of as great importance to my constituents as those, for instance, of the how. member for Dublin, or of any other hon. member ; and why should not I be reported as fully ?" A great portion of time would therefore, if the system of selection should be adopted, be taken up in answering and sat i s f y i ng t h e com plaints vv ouuldgrcee tmh , eerye s o h t eads and dllyd deserver e s e p ri o r e t d e d . , or He awt of members who would comp l a i n t h at t h ey rt at ain le ly ng o t p h p , os as e the motion. Mr. BUCKINGHAM said that he did not think that any one had ever advocated the proposition that everything that was uttered in that house should be r eported ; but at the same time it was plain that an authentic record of their proceedings was much wanted.. Every one who attended to their debates, and who read the reports of them in the public papers, must have been struck with the inequality of their execution. Now he would just inform the house how that differ ence in the merits of the reports occurred. There were, some reporters so extremely skilful that they could give most correctly every part of a discussion ; after them would come a second class of reporters who were not so skilful, and in their portion of the report ing the discussion, a commensurate degree of inaccu racy would be observable; and lastly they would be followed by third rate reporters, mere students in the who, w ith t h e b est i ntent i ons to report ac would report everything wrong. Such was cause cp th uro e rafetesslYin' might be observed in the different stages of the report of a discussion in that house, as published in the daily papers. Nothing, besides, was more common than to find it stated in the reports in the papers that the re porters regretted that they could not hear some obser vations; for instance, of the noble Chancellor of the Exchequer( A laugh), owing to the low tone in which they were delivered, or to the noise which prevailed in the house. . There was no intention not to give the observations, whatever they were, on such occasions, for regret was uniformly expressed at their not having heard them. He himself recollected an instance where the hon. baronet the member for Hampshire delivered an important speech on the China trade, which was dismissed in five lines in the daily papers, though the hon. baronet afterwards published it in a pamphlet. It was, therefore, desirable that they should have an authentic publication for preserving such important discussions, and he thought that such a publication might be established without a single shilling of expense to the public. He (Mr. Buckingham) had had some experience in those matters (A laugh), and he would undertake to show to the committee that it was quite possible to establish such.a publication without its costing the country or the house a single shilling. He would undertake to show bow that could be done, Ana how they could have all their discussions reported b the best,possible manner. His plan was this—let four or siit of the most skilful reporters that London could supply be employed for the purpose of taking down all the proceedings of the house, and let their remunera tion be regulated according to the scale which the newspapers paid for the slips sent round to them. ( So we understood the hon. member to finish the sen tence, but it was a task of no small difficulty to catch the conclusion of his sentences.) Something of the kind it was most desirable to effect. Of course, in giving the speeches in the various debates all the sur plusage would be removed out of them. He pledged himself, if the matter should be referred to a com mittee, to lay before them aplan for carrying the object into effect. Mr. MORETON said that the question was whe ther they should refer a question relating to one of the grand privileges of that house to a committee ap pointed for quite a different object. If it was necessary to refer it to a committee at all, they should appoint a committee for the special purpose of considering it alone. He did not think that the principle of report ing their proceedings as it at present existed called for any alteration. The present proposition involved a great privilege of the house, not only as regarded reporting, but as regarded the seeing of strangers in the house. Mr. SHAW said that, as an Irish member, he did not rise to complain that the debates ur on Irish sub jects were not given at quite sufficient length in the daily papers for all public and general purposes. The question was not whether the system of reporting their proceedings in the daily press could not be better, for he believed that for all public purposes a sufficient quantity of their debates was given in the papers (hear) ; but the question was, whether it would not be advisable to establish a publication in the nature of a standard, for the purpose of affording an authentic record of their votes and proceedings. fie thought that the establishment of such a publication would be productive of benefit, and he would therefore support the motion. Mr. WILK S said that all the world was interested in having a complete, accurate, and detailed account of the proceedings that took place in that house, and it was of the utmost consequence to the country that such an authentic record should be established. If this subject should be referred to the committee, they would be enabled to collect information as to what had been done by legislatures in other countries on the subject. They would find that in the American legis lature a regular system of ample and accurate re ports of their proceedings had been carried into effect. In France, too, it was perfectly well known that cer tain funds were appropriated by the legislature for the purpose ; that a reporting newspaper, called the Ste nographe, was established for that purpose ; and that it was supported at the expense of the government and of the chambers. In that paper the speeches of the members were given in full, as they had been spoken. The committee might in this way obtain information as to what had been done in other countries, so as to establish what he conceived would be a great improve ment here. He would therefore vote for referring the subject to a committee. COlonel EVANS said that he could not support the proposition of the hon. and learned member. He thought that it was impossible in the first place, and objectionable in the next. He quite concurred with those who thought that the best security for the proper publication of the proceedings of that house in the daily papers was to be fonnd in their competition. ( Hear, hear.) If the proposition was for providing better seats for the reporters in the house, and if, on the part of the reporters, it was shown that they desired and wanted better accommodation, he would be most anxious to support any proposition for providing them with it. ( Hear.) But he altogether agreed in the objections which the right hon. gentleman, the Secre tary for the Colonies, had offered to this motion. He agreed with him, that the public papers were the best channels for communicating to the public the proceed ings of that house ; and he agreed with him that no minister, past or present, could feel any peculiar inte rest in such a question. He did not, however, consider it quite consistent with the right hon. gentleman's dignity as a minister to indulge in some of the obser vations which he had indulged in on this occasion. . _ Mr. SH EIL said he wished the right hon, baronet the member for Tamworth had been in the house, for, upon the occasion of a complaint made by the hon. and gallant member for Devonport ( Admiral Codring ton) last session, he occupied the house two hours and a half, and very properly occupied it, with his vindi cation, and he brought down the Mirror of Parlia ment (Hear, hear), and upon the Mirror of _Parlia ment the right hon. baronet founded his defence. (Hear, and No.) He appealed to the recollection of every member in the house at the time. He (Mr. Sheil) had a distinct, it might not be an accurate, re collection, that it was to the Mirror of Parliament he appealed. He did not say that the right hon. ba ronet did not refer to the Morning Chronicle for con firmation. Then here was an ex-minister, on a ques-. tion of importance to himself and also to the country, hiving recourse to this publication as a standard work and a parliamentary record of his speech. His (Mr. Sheil's) reason for rising was to call the attention of the house to this fact, as showing the importance of having some work which should be an authentic record of what was said in that house, and no persons were more interested in this than the King's ministers, in order that the country might have an accurate record of their speeches. Mr. STANLEY said that, according to his recol lection, it was the gallant admiral who brought down the Mirror of Parliament, and the right hon. baronet stated that he had never read his speech from the time it was delivered, but that his recollection was so and so ; and he brought down, next day, the Times, the Herald, and Hansard, which he quoted against the Mirror of Parliament. (Hear, hear.) Mr. SHEIL—At all events, the Mirror of Par liament was quoted. (Laughter, and cries of "Oh !" and " Spoke.") He spoke in explanation, if the house thought this matter of fact deserved to be ex plained. It was plain that there was a reference to the Mirror of Parliament. With all respect to the right hon. secretary, he (Mr. Sheil) did assert that it was to the Mirror of Parliament the right hon. baronet appealed. The case then stood thus :—He ( Mr. Sheil) brought the authority of the right hon. baronet—an authority to which the right hon. gentle man (Mr. Stanley) would be willing to pay deference. (Cries of " Spoke.") All he wanted to say was that the Mirror of Parliament was quoted either by one side or the other. If it was appealed to by the hon. and gallant admiral the member for Devonport, was not his case made out? (Laughter.) An HON. MEMBER under the gallery could be heard only so far as stating that he cordially supported the motion. Mr. CA YL E y said that the vote he should give in favour of the motion was not for the purpose of having daily reports, but to have an historieal record. He wanted to refer to them as to Johnson's Dictionary or an Encyclopedia. Sir E. CODRINGTON said that it was he who referred to the Mirror of Parliament as the gocument upon which he relied, as he was abroad at the time the speech of the right hon. baronet was delivered. He admitted that the Times and Morning Chronicle were produced against him, not, however, as contra dicting, but as not confirming, the remarks, the Mira ror of Parliament professing to give the whole of the speech. Mr. TOOK E, in reply, observed that he did not wish to have verbatim reports, but an authentic record. The expense would be very trifling, and he hoped the house would not refuse to avail itself of such a mode of ascertaining and recording its sentiments. The house then divided : Ayes 99 Noes ll7 Majority against the motion lB BARON DE BODE'S CLAIM. - Mr. LLOYD rose to move an instruction to the committee on the Baron de Bode's claim, with a view of enabling certain claimants under the conventions entered into between Great Britain and France to be heard by counsel before the committee in opposition to that claim. The hon. member entered into the details of these claims (an account of property seized and se questrated in France), which have been repeatedly stated. The claimants whose case he brought before the house rested upon such real and demonstrable grounds of justice, that he could not conceive there would be any opposition to his motion. The claims of these parties had been recognised by the Lords of the Treasury in 1830 and 1832. The claim of the Baron de Bode could not be supported ; he had not a shadow of a claim ; but if he was allowed an ex parte hearing before a committee, and was to have an ex parte re port from the committee, the funds would perhaps b e appropriated, and the just claims of the present peti tioners might be put off to an indefinite period. He merely asked, on the part of these persons, whose in terest must be admitted, that they might be heard by counsel before that committee. The instruction he moved was, that the committee should take the matter 4, -4,'. =1 , 1 i ) 4,-;: t c , j,..'.....i . : . , : . : . ; - :::f• :-... t ' ,- - :_,\V,:i-- 1 ,—,,... ' 7 " ~::: into consideration so ear as to - ' if.,theletWollF ers were interested in the fund, d j i 4 iiipo,sW..the Baron do Bode's claim, cad if so, that A...ick. -t,... lit be allowed to be heard in opposition to it. Government had nothing to do with 'the matter—it was a question between party and party. The Baron de Bode knew —he could prove it—that the ground now taken by him was untenable. The hon. member concluded with moving the instruction to the committee in the terms of hiC notice. Sir C. ORE Y seconded the motion. Mr. POT, L C!‘; thought that the enm-5e proposed to be' pursued would hats the effect of frustrating the claims of Baron de Bode by procuring a hearing for every case except that which the committee was ap pointed to investigate. He would suggest that counsel should be appointed to protect the fund. Lord ALT HORP said that if the Baron de Bode should succeed in establishing his claim, the amount of the fund would pro (ante be diminished. The ques tion then was, whether other claimants on the fund ought not to be allowed to be heard by counsel against the baron's claim? He thought that in justice the house was bound to allow them that privilege. After a few words from Mr. S. RICE and Mr. Hn.k., the motion was agreed to. Mr. F. POLLOCK obtained leave to bring in a bill to improve the practice in the Court of Common . Pleas of the County Palatine of Lancaster. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at a quarter to one o'clock. ANALYSIS OF THE DIVISION ON MR. TENNYSON'S MOTION. We are sure we need no apology with the great major iity of our readers for calling their attention to the divi sion on the motion of Mr. Tennyson " for shortening the present duration of Parliament." We are now enabled to , give the majority on that occasion, and also a separate list of the Tories who composed a part, and not a small one, of that majority—they amount to 95 out of 237, or more than one third. Our readers will remember that the mi nority was 187. Now, after deducting from the majority 237 , 95, there remains the Ministerial phalanx of 142, or minority of 45, compared with the Liberals—and if front these 14;2. be deducted the hangers-on dependant on Go vernment, and the actual holders of place, that phalanx which supports the Government on independent principles will, indeed, be a very small, we will not say a sacred, band. As to the 95 Tories, they only laboured in their vocation,. and no man can find fault with their consistent. determina tion to render the house as independent as possible of the constituency—but alas for the Whig part of the majority— Sir Francis Burdett and Lord Ebrington coupled in suilia. cause with the whipper-in of the Tory pack. SYNOPSIS. •.'.37 Whig. and Tories, combined against shortening the present duration of parliament. 187 Liberals, voting in favour of the motion. 55 Majority of combination against Liberals, 187 Liberals. 95 Tories. 92 Majority of Liberes over Toies. 147 Lib , rats. 142 Whigs. 45 Majority of Liberals over Whigs. ENULANd. :out, a, U. N.—Rutland Al horp, Visc.—South Nok :orreys, Lord—. -xfortishire thamptonshire , :sulston, Lord—N. Nortbuna. Anson, Hon G.—GLYannoutt i erland Ashley, Lord—Dorsetshire .'alnier, 8.--Berkstiire Astley,SirJacob—We4Norfol. :'alinerstone, Viscount—South Attwood, M --W Intehaven Hampshire Haring, F.—Thetford 'eche'', , ir S. J. B.—Windsor Baring, H. IS.—Marborough eel, !Ai- R.— F arnwert h Baring A.—North Essex 'elham, Hon C. E. W.—Lin. Bell, 31.—., Northumberland coloshire, parts of Lindsey iienett, J.—South Wiltshire tiepys, C. C.—Malton Beni i„ek, Ld. G.— King'sLyni• 'etre, Hon. E R —York Bernal, IL—Rochester 'hilips,Sir G.—South arwick- Bothell, R.—East Yorkshire shire floll iae i k n s i t r %.—Blo e V WS Olt — z ‘V.ied.kNil'ogorl°l 'got, R.—Bridgenorth ,' '1 •neY, W,—Lyme Regis !truce, Lord E.—Nlarlborougb ',Mock, F.—Huntingdon Brudesiell, Lord—North No: tamsbottom, J.—Windsor thamptonshire lams.len, J. C.—Mallow Buller, Edward—North Staf- teid, Sir J. R.—Dover iordshire . lice, Right Hon. T. s.—Cam- Bulteel, J. C.—South Devon bridge Isurrell, Sir C.—Shoreham lickford, W.—Aylesbury Byng, Sir John—Poole idley, Sir M W Newcastle Ilyng, (ieo.—Middlesex upon-Tyne Calcratt, J. H.—Wareham toile, R. M —Penrhyn alvert, N.—II rtfordshire :oss C.—Northa mpton Campbell, Sir IL P.—Berwick lumbold,i C Ed.—Yarmouth 7.arter, J. B.—Portsmou , h tussell, Lord John —South De- Cayley, E. S. —N. Yorkshire vonshire Chaplin, Colonel—Stamford Lyle, John—Macclesfield 'ltetwynd, Capt. W.— Stafford imdon, Lord—Liverpool Clive, Edward B.—Hereford - eott Sir E. D.—Lichtield ~,,ckerell,Slr C. —Evesham Cooper, Hon. A. H.—lloreh este CAborne, Ridley—Wells Campton, S.-Thirsk. 4ebright, Sir J. S.—Hertfordah T Smith, R. V.—Northampton ,omerset, Lord G. C.—Mon . . k*rawtord, W.—London Curteis, E. B.—Rye Cur cis, H. s.—East Sussex Darlington, Earl of—Scut' Shropshire Davies, Colonel—Worcester Denison J. E.—South Notting Dick, Quintin—Maldon L W.—Glamorgansl, Donkin, Sir R. S.—Berwick Duffield, T.—Abingiti n Oundas, J. C.—Richmond Duncombe, Hon. W.—North Yorkshire Eastnor, Viscount—Reigate Ebrington, V isc.—Nort h Devoi Egerton,W.y.—NorthCheshirt mouth;vire ' ipankie, Mr. Serg.—Finsbury stanley, Hon. E. G. S —North Lancashire ;tanley, E.—West Cumberland Talbot, W. H. F.—Chippcnham Cayieure, Wm.—Bridgewater Taylor, Right Hon. M. A.— Sudbury Thompson, Aid —Sunderland ath h ridgesh. Thompson, I'. B.—East York shire Cower, ye; It. G. - la c r Tracy, C. H.—Tewkesbury Trevor, Hon. G. R.—Caermar thenshire Troubriige, Sir T. 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P.—New castle Wilmot, Sir E.E.—North War wickshire G r;iriston, Vic --liertfordshir, Grosvenor, Lord R.—Chester H tt,omb, J.—Dover Halford, Henry—South lxices tershire Windham, W. IL—E. Norfolk Wood, C.—Halifax Wood, G. W.—S. la►ncashire wood, Colonel T.—Breeknuck. shire. Handley, Wm. F.—Newark. upon-Trent Harmer, Sir J.—Shrewsbury Harmer, H.— A ylesbury Hardinge, Right Hon. Sir H.— Launceston Hawkes, T.—Dudley H eat hcot e, Sir G.—Rutlandsh. Heathcote, G. J.—Lincoinshin Herbert, Hon. S.—south Wilt, heron, Sir R.—Peterborough Ilerrie., J. C.—Harwich Hill, Sir R.—North Shropshire Hope, H. T.—Gloucester Herne, Sir W.—Marylebone Hoskins, K.—Herefordshire H.,ward, P. H.—Carlisle Howard, F. G. —Morpet h Howick, Vi c.—North North umberland Hyett, W. H.—Stroud Irton, S.—West Cumberland Jerilyn. Earl—Bury, Suffolk Jo'utstone, Sir J. V.—Scarbo r nigh Joinstone,Sir F.:=Weymoutl 4i pnn, Right Hon. C. W. W.— Nlontgomeryshire Yorke, C. P.—Cambridgeshire SCOTLAND. 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