The Sun. — London, England, 1834-05-13 00:00:00

COURT CIRCULAR. Their Majesties left Windsor Castle yesterday morning for the Palace at Kew, where they arrived about one o'clock, attended by the Hon. Miss Mitchell and Miss Wilson. The Duke of Cumberland re ceived the King and Queen, and afterwards left for town. The King took an airing in the Royal Gardens for a short time. A chjeune was then served to their Majesties and the following party, viz. :—The Earl and Countess Howe, the Earl and Countess of Erroll, Lord and Lady Bingham, Sir Benjamin Stephenson, Lady Kennedy Erskine, Sir Jeffery Wyattville, and the Baron de Marenholt (of the Duke of Brunswick's Household). In the afternoon the Queen rode on horseback, at tended by some of her suite, to Richmond, to the re sidence of the Earl and Countess of Erroll : the King left the Palace in a pony phaeton, and also drove to the residence of the Earl and Countess. Their Ma jesties remained to dinner, and were expected to re turn to Windsor Castle last night. The Duchess of Kent and the Princess Victoria at tended Mrs. Anderson's Morning Concert yesterday, at the Hanover-square Rooms, and were accompanied by their Serene Highnesses the Prince Ferdinand of Saxe Coburg and the Prince of Leiningen ; and attend ed by the Duchess of Northumberland, Lady Theresa Strangways, Lady Caroline Strangways, Lady Ca therine Jenkinson, Lady Louisa Jenkinson, Lady and Miss Conroy, Baroness Leitzen, the Earl of Ilchester, the Earl of Liverpool, the Honourable Sir George Anson, and Sir John Conroy. Prince George of Cambridge left Cambridge-house on Saturday on a visit to their Majesties at Windsor Castle. The Judicial Committee of the Privy Council held a meeting yesterday, in the Council Chamber. The Lords present were—The Vice- Chancellor, Mr. Baron Parke, the Right Honourables Sir J. Bernard Bosan quet, Thomas Erskine, Sir Alexander Johnston, and Sir Edward East. The Honourable William Bathurst was the Clerk of the Council in Waiting. Their Lordships were occupied the whole of the day with the case " Malliard v. King's Attorney" (from the Mauritius), which had been part heard at a former meeting. The Solicitor-General and Mr. Wightman were heard on the part of the Crown, and Dr. Lushington replied for the appellants. Their lordships, after counsel had concluded, were occupied a long time in deliberation. Mr. Baron Parke afterwards gave judgment, on the part of their lordships. His lordship, after disposing of a prelimi nary objection, that the Court below had no jurisdic tion in the case, stated that the Crown claimed certain lands as forfeited, on the ground of non-compliance with some of the conditions of the grant, regarding the preservation and restoration of plantations of trees in the vicinity of the sea coast, and keeping on some of the land a number of cattle for the supply of the island. Their lordships were of opinion that no suf ficient evidence had been produced to prove the non compliance with the conditions of the grant. With respect to the objection that the lands in question could not be subdivided amongst the present appellants, claiming as the representatives of a party deceased, their lordships held that as the grant was in perpetuity to the deceased party, the property could be subdivided. The decree of the Court below was, therefore, re versed. THE ARMY. ( From the Dublin Evening Mail.) Major-General Sir E. Blakeney inspected the 15th Hussars on Monday in the Phoenix Park. Sir Walter Scott was the officer in command. Several evolutions were admirably performed. The Gallant General ex pressed approbation of the appearance of the troops. The Scots Fusileer Guards are to be reviewed by Sir E. Blakeney in the Fifteen Acres this day. The 18th and 35th regiments will remain in this garrison. 25th regiment—The detachments of this regiment, for some time past stationed at Trim, have been with drawn. 35th regiment—Head-quarters arrived yesterday morning, under the command of Major Semple. The 47th Foot are to be inspected by the Major- General this day in the Fifteen Acres. 59th regiment—Six companies, under the command of Major Waring, embarked yesterday to join head quarters at Haydock Lodge. INFANTRY T FT. —We cordially wish this unsightly addition to a soldier's clothing to be removed, and in its place substituted a-1211pr pompon. which, though it may take a little from the man's height, yet adds much to the uniformity of the regiment. (From the Limerick Chronicle.) The 85th Light Infantry, in this garrison, marches in a few days to Galway, and will be replaced by the 51st Light Infantry, daily expected in Cork, from Corfu. The 30th, at Galway, is one of the first re giments for foreign service. Major-General Sir James Douglas made his half yearly inspection of the 85th Light Infantry at the new barracks, on Monday, under command of Colonel Warburton, when this excellent officer found the re- giment both in exterior appearance and interior eco nomy in a soldierlike and efficient state of discipline. Sir James Douglas inspected the Royal Artillery in their barracks on Saturday last, under Colonel Brand reth, and expressed himself much gratified at the ad mirable appearance and appointments of the men, their perfect discipline, and the excellent condition of the Ordnance guns, and appendages. ... . .. . - - Sir James Douglas will inspect the squadron of the 7th Dragoon Guards, under Major Nugent, in this garrison, on the return of Lieutenant Sandilands and detachment from Newcastle. The remaining six companies of the 59th regiment, under command of Major Waring, sailed from Dublin for Liverpool, on Monday, to join head-quarters, at Haydock Lodge barracks. The 28th regiment, from Haydock Lodge, were expected to replace the 35th at Blackburn. The 18th or Royal Irish regiment, is not yet ar rived in Dublin, but daily expected from Manchester and Bolton. The sth Dragoon Guards, the 59th and 80th regi ments, which lately got a route for Oldham, will not return to Ireland, but remain in England. The 7th Dragoon Guards leave Cahir and Lime rick in a few days for Dublin. A company of the 36th depot from Nenagh, under Capt. M'Carthy, accompanied by Major Carter, chief magistrate of police, and constabulary, attended the fair of Silvermines, on Friday, where a vast concourse of country people had assembled, and a serious dis turbance would have ensued but for the presence of the civil and military authorities, who preserved order, and returned to Nenagh Lt eleven o'clock the same night, with twenty-three turbulent characters in their custody. The 3d Dragoon Guards, under Lieut.-Colonel Story, arrived in Dublin from Liverpool on Thursday in steamers. The second division, including three troops, under Major Maunsell, will not arrive until the 20th instant. The "60th Rifles have left Dublin for Mullingar in consequence of the disturbed state of the county of Westmeath, where the Coercion Act is now in ope ration. The 43d Light Infantry, at Waterford, relieved its detachments this week. Captain Bruere marched from Waterford to Knocktopher to relieve Captain Mundy ; Captain Wright for New Ross, to relieve Captain Bell ; Captain Tryan for Wexford, to relieve Captain Egerton ; and Lieut. Talbot for Enniscorthy, to relieve Captain Estcourt. This day the Hon. Captain Spencer marched for Carrick-on- Suir, to relieve Captain Fraser. The head-quarters of the Inniskilling Dragoons, from Edinburgh, have arrived at Nottingham, and two troops remaining at the former station march for Shef field to-morrow. Lieut.-Colonel Badcock, 15th Hussars, arrived in L o -ndon on Wednesday, from Lisbon. The gallant Colon is daily expected in Dublin, to take the com mand of his distinguished corps. Kilmainham !Hospital will not be converted into an artillery barrack, and Sir Hussey Vivian will be conti nued in command of the forces in Ireland for three years longer. The pay of second Aug unattached General Officers is to be augmented to 4001. year. SUDDEN DEATII.—On Tuesday se'nnight, Mr. Howell, surgeon, of Kenton, whilst putting on his boots, fell down in a fit of apoplexy, and imme diately expired. He was preparing for a visit to his patients, was in good spirits, and appeared to be in perfect health. —North Devon Advertiser. SINGULAR INCUBATION. —A female, resi dent in Poole-street, recently formed the strange whim of hatching chickens, and for that purpose carried three eggs in her bosom, which in due time produced three fine chickens ; they may be seen at any time by the curious in these matters.—Cgrnarron Herald. COURT OF COMMON PLEAS, MAY 12. (Before the CHIEF JUSTICE and a Common Jury.) COLE V. BEESON. This was an action for false imprisonment. The defendant is a butcher, residing in William street, Lisson-grove, and on the 12th of October last, on a Saturday evening, there happened to be some " marrow-bones and cleavers" exhibiting their usual antics, which exhibition collected a crowd of persons. The plaintiff, actuated by a similar curiosity as others, mixed with the crowd. On having observed the de fendant, who immediately called out to his brother to come out and knock down plaintiff and kill him, which t!..2 Lrother most faithfully performed, as far as the knocking-down went, plaintiff received two black eyes, was greatly beaten, and given in custody to a constable and conveyed to the station-house, where he was de tained until he procured bail. On the subsequent Monday he appeared before the magistrate, when he was discharged. The defendant not appearing against him, he now brought his action for false imprisonment. Verdict for the plaintiff—Damages, 5/. KENSINGTON PETTY SESSIONS, MAY 12. Thomas Organ, butler to Lord Teynham, was brought before F. BARLOW and H. Conn, Esqs., charged with stealing twelve dozen of choice old port, the property of Captain Carnegie. It appeared from the evidence of Lord Teynham and his son, the Hon. Sidney Curzon, that his Lord ship has for some time resided at Carnegie House, Wright's-lane, Kensington, the late residence of Cap tain Carnegie, who on his quitting the house left in a private cellar, which was locked, a large quantity of choice old wines. On Friday last it was accidentally discovered that the cellar had been broken open, and on investigation it was found that about twelve dozen of curious old port, estimated to be worth 601., had been stolen. On its being communicated to his Lord ship, he immediately sent information to the station house of the T division, when William Cowie, a con stable, was sent to the house, and in the course of his inquiries ascertained that the prisoner Organ, who had been but two months in his Lordship's service, had during that period been in a state of almost con tinued intoxication. On questioning the gardener, he acknowledged that the prisoner had given him some wine to drink, which, on examination, proved to be part of the stolen property. The case having been clearly proved against him, he was fully committed to take his trial at the next Old Bailey Sessions. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. LAMBETH-STREET. Yesterday, Mr. Gee, a most respectable solicitor, residing at Bishop Stortford, applied to Mr. WALKER, for his advice and assistance under the following most extraordinary circumstances : . .. . . Mr. Gee was engaged professionally by the execu tors of a widow lady named Canning, to invest about 2,000/. which had been left her by her late husband in profitable and available security ; and of this sum 1,200/. had been invested, and the remaining 800/. was at his disposal. Some days since he received a letter by post, signed, " W. Heath," in which the writer expressed a wish to be informed when he (Mr. Gee) would be in town, as he wished to consult him professionally and personally on the subject of some property which was to be disposed of in the neigh bourhood of Bishop Stortford. He (Mr. G.) wrote in reply that he would be in town on that day (yester day) at ten o'clock, and that if the writer of the letter would be in the coffee-room of the Bull Inn, Aldgate, at that hour, he would give him the desired interview. On arriving at the Bull Inn, he found a young man, who had the appearance of a steward of a ship, who, after inquiring from him if his name was. Gee, and being answered in the affirmative, handed him a letter of which the following is a coy " p London, May 12, 1834. " Sir,—ln consequence of serious indisposition since Friday last I find it quite impossible to wait upon you according to your appointment, but trust you will have no objection to coming to me, the distance being little more than a mile down the Commercial-road. Being now quite ready for you, your attendance, Sir, will much oblige, yours respectfully, " W. HEATH. " P. S. I send a coach by the bearer to convey you there and back again." On his reading the letter, the person who had brought it said that he had a coach in waiting, and he (Mr. Gee) not suspecting for a moment that anything wrong or improper was intended, got into it, and was driven to the house, No. 27, York-street West, Com mercial-road. On getting out of the vehicle, and en tering the house, he was met in the passage by a man who, addressing him, said that his brother was then at breakfast in the kitchen, and hoped he (Mr. Gee) would have no objection to go there to him, as he wished particularly to see and speak with him. By this time the door was closed, and the coach, he had no doubt, discharged ; and as he was about to descend the stairs leading to the kitchen he was laid hold of by the person who delivered him the letter at the Bull Inn, the man who had asked him to go to the kitchen, and a third person, all of whom assisted in dragging him down into a back kitchen, and from thence into a kind of privy or den, where they placed him sitting on the seat, and not only chained him from behind, but fas tened his feet tightly to the flooring by means of very strong cords, so that he could scarcely move his per son, hands, or feet. Having accomplished this, one of the party represented himself as the brother of his client, Mrs. Canning, and told him that he should not be released from his then situation until he gave a check on his banker for the payment of • the 8001. of her money which he had in his hands, and an order for the delivery of the deeds of the property in which the 1,200/. had been previously vested. In vain did he remonstrate with them on the illegality and impro priety of their proceeding, and entreat them to release him. The parties remarked that they were perfectly aware that they were not acting in accordance with the law, but that was their law, and released he should not be, not only until he had given the check and order they required, but until the cash was got for the one and the deeds for the other. They were then about to leave and lock him up in this dark and hor rible den, when he, on reflection, and being really ap prehensive that if he either called out for assistance or refused their demands they would murder him, com plied with their request ; and a pen, ink, and paper being brought to him, he wrote a check on his bankers, the Messrs. Gibson, of Saffron Walden, for 800/. ; and a letter to Mr. Bell, a gentleman residing near Stortford, who is one of the executors of the late Mr. Canning, for the delivery of the deeds. After he had done this one of the parties instantly left the house, for the purpose, no doubt, of either getting the check cashed at the agents of the banking house in town, or proceeding with it and the letter to the country. Mr. WALKER asked if the cash had been obtained ? Mr. Gee had been to the agent of the bank, and had ascertained that it had not been presented there, and left directions that should it be to stop the parties pre senting it. He considered it impossible that the check could reach the bank at Saffron Walden on that day before it closed, and before it opened on the following (this) day he would take care to have its payment stopped. Mr. Gee went on to state that after he had written and signed the document alluded to he felt exceedingly faint, and requested that one of the parties would get him a bottle of soda water. This, however, they refused doing, but held a pot with some beer in it to his lips, and he drank a little. They then left him, and after being in the situation above described for nearly three hours he, by a powerful exertion and a violent compression of his body, fortunately managed to shift the iron chain which passed across his chest and bound tight his arms a little upwards, and ulti mately to work his head and body out of it. He then was enabled to untie the cords which bound his feet to the flooring, and being thus free he rushed out of the back door, and after clambering over several garden walls succeeded in reaching the public street. Mr. WALKER observed that he never heard of a more extraordinary case, and gave directions to Miller, the officer, to use immediate exertion to apprehend the parties. THAMES POLICE. Yesterday Mary Griffiths, an elderly woman of very plausible manners, who has been long known to the Thames Police under the somewhat odd cognomen of " Ducks and Green Peas," and whose system of fraud has greatly exceeded that of the register office keeper Wright, who was lately convicted, was brought before Mr. COOMBE for re-examination, charged with obtaining various small sums of money from seamen 4n4 others under false pretence of procuring situations for them on board ship. On the first examination of the prisoner, upwards of one hundred persons attended, to prefer charges against her, and ten were entered into by the magistrate, from which it appeared that she kept an office in the Back-road, Shadwell, in partnership with a man named Clark, who, however, except in one case, in which he received five shillings from a lad, under pretence of shipping him on the woman's account, was never seen in the transaction. It was the general custom of the prisoner to accost persons in the street, and ask them ' if they wanted a ship. If they answered in the affir mative, she told them she had to ship hands for seve ral vessels, and wanted able seamen, carpenters, stewards, cuddy servants, and waiting women for pas sengers, and took them to her office, where she de manded five, ten, and sometimes fifteen shillings as her fee, and promised to get her dupes a ship directly; but, after obtaining their money, put them off from time to time with excuses ; and if the name of the ship was demanded, her invariable reply was, " Oh, I never do business in that way. If I was to tell you the name of the ship you would ship yourselves, and cheat me of the shipping money." . Yesterday several additional cases were entered into, and many statements were made of the flagrant manner in which she had cheated a number of poor individuals, of both sexes, of their money. Mr. COOMBE committed the prisoner on five of the cases. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, May 12. The house sat at four o'clock, and from that time till twenty minutes after five was engaged in the exa mination of witnesses in favour of the Warwick Dis franchisement Bill. Several private bills were brought up from the Commons by Mr. CLIVE, Sir H. WILLOUGHBY, and others. The LORD CHANCELLOR then rose with an immense petition in his hands, and said he had the honour to present a petition from a most nume rous body of his fellow-subjects. The petition proceeded from a meeting which was assem bled in one of the churches or chapels of the city of Glasgow. It was a public meeting which was called, in consequence of a requisition signed by up wards of two hundred of the most respectable inhabitants of that city. It was held upon the 26th of March, and the petition, which was signed by 48,600 persons, was unanimously adopted. ( Hear, hear.) When it was recollected that a similar petition was presented last session or the session be fore from the same city, that had not more than one-third of the signatures that this had, it could not, by any one, be said that the feeling on the question had fallen off, or even remained stationary. He was very sensible of the very distinguished honour which had been conferred upon him by the unanimous approbation of so large a body of his fellow countrymen, as shown in their intrusting him with the presentation of their petition; because it was upon a question which they felt to be of vast impor tance, and which they had shown lay nearest their hearts. As the question was of such a nature, it would have given him great satisfaction if there had prevailed between the petitioners and him such an unity of feeling as would have enabled him to give that support to the petition which he wished to give to any one he was intrusted with. With a great deal, however, of the prayer of the petition, he might say in the most important portion of it, he entirely agreed ; he alluded to that part of it which prayed the house to take the claims of the dis senters—not of Scotland only, but of the United Kingdom generally—into their early and serious cdhsideration, and to redress the grievances of which they complained. He need not remind their lordships or the petitioneri that there was no individual either in or out of parliament who had expressed a more uniform,' consistent, and zealous friendliness to the principles of religious to leration, nor any one who had ever exceeded him in advocating them to the very utmost of their extent. He had felt, and did feel, that no one ought to be -injured in his possessions, or the enjoyment of his civil rights, by the circumstance of his differing with other men, or even with the state, in his religious views. These viewsle had always supported,and now he would not depart from them, and he fain hoped they were principles which were fast spreading, and would soon lead to the perfecting of religious liberty. But holding that opinion—imbued as he was with, and acting on these principles—he went along with the petitioners in the first and important part of their prayer. With the residue of that prayer he had felt it his duty to state to the deputation that had waited on him what he had never disguised from their lordships, and what he could not coincide in, that their lordships would take measures in order to the dissolution of what they called " the unjust, unscriptural and injurious con nection between church and state." That was a new expression, which had crept in between political and religious controversy ; but he took it to mean, although it certainly could not be called a very happy expression—that it was intended to mean a dissolution—not of the connexion between church and state, but that there should not longer be any religious establishment at all, and that the principle of a voluntary church should be substituted ; that the state should not provide in any way, or by any means, for the religious instruction of the people, but that all sects, all individuals, whether ignorant or instructed, whether ill-informed or well-informed, should be left to provide for themselves the means of seligious instruction. To that extent he (the Lord Chancellor) did not accompany the prayer of the petitioners. He had expressed to the deputation his entire, and per haps altogether incurable, difference of opinion with that part of the prayer of the petition. ( Hear. hear, hear.) He looked with alarm and dismay at such a state of things as the dissolution of all hierarchies in England, Scotland, and Ireland (for the prayer of the petition extended to Scotland, in which there was an economical church), for such a state of things would leave seventeen or eighteen, or perhaps twenty millions of his fellow subjects with out being provided with the means of religious in struction. It might be asked why did he look with alarm and dismay at that state of things ? It was for this reason, and which he did not conceal from the deputation who intrusted the petition to him, that there were some things, such as hunger, thirst, &c., which the animal constitution of our nature would compel us to make proper provision for, by obtaining the means of effecting that object, but it was not so where the wants of the refined part of our constitution was concerned, for the more ignorant the people were, and the less they knew the use of learning, the less they would bestir themselves to obtain the means of religious instruction. That was the first argument on which he founded his belief on the subject, and he claimed for himself the same freedom of opinion he granted to them, and such was the alarm he felt for many millions of people, who wanted instruction, being left without it. His next ar gument was the necessity there existed for the esta blishment of a church of one body of clerical men, set apart to instruct the people in their moral and religious duties. Such an establishment had always been found to have excluded the very great injury of an unbridled license to fanaticism among the people. Such were the arguments on which his opi nions were fixedly formed, and he should not be per suaded to depart from those opinions until some better system was discovered. What improvements the present church establishment might undergo was not now the question ; that was not a question raised by the petition, which called upon the house to abolish all religious establishments. It was stated in the petition that religious establish ments were unsanctioned by our Saviour and his Apostles, and opposed to their writings and injunc tions. He (the Lord Chancellor) saw no ground whatever in Holy Writ to found such a statement. It was said, if you would look back to the primitive times, you would find no such a thing in existence as a church establishment ; that was so, but that formed no ground for drawing the con clusion the petitioners had done. As to the second statement of the petitioners that an establish ment was prohibited by Scriptural injunction, if it were so, the arguments he had urged in its favour were at an end: The Lord Chancellor was ex tremely glad that it was only to this extent that he disagreed with the petitioners, they stated a number of other points upon which he had always thought, and still thought, that the Dissenters were greatly aggrieved, and that they had a just right to com plain ; and he could assure them that they should never want, whether they were in Scotland, Ireland, or England, his feeble assistance in freeing them from those matters of which they had so much right to com plain. He was, however, most solicitous to urge upon the consideration of the dissenters, if they valued their redemption from those grievances, if they valued the cordial support of their best friends, both in Parlia ment and out of it ; if they valued their own character for goed sense, sound reason, and consistency, and if they would have it appear triumphantly for them as against their enemies, that they would net lose a mo ment to redeem themselves from anything like din foundation for the charge, which was very apt to be brought against them. What he meant was this—Let them look to the actual grievance under which they laboured, let them steadily and candidly look to the means of removing that grievance, and when they found measures in contemplation, the tendency of which was, as was admitted by themselves to be the intention, directly and altogether to remove those grievances, let them accept of that redress, and not trouble themselves upon mere speculating, trifling, and un important matters. (Hear, hear.) Upon one sub ject he thought they had great reason to complain— the necessity of being married according to the ritual of a church from whose forms and doctrines they dis sented. He held that to be a grievance upon the dis senters, and also upon the established church. ( Hear, hear.) It was an indecent thing to see the brawls that must always take place in churches, at the foot , of the altar, when a dissenter entered, as he was bound ! to do, his protest against the Gospel portion of the matrimonial ceremony. That was a great grievance, and he was happy to say that it was at length pro posed to redress it. Henceforth it was proposed that dissenters might be married in their own chapels ; but because the - Marriage Act required that the bans should be published in a church, not so much because it was a church as because it was a place of great publicity, he was surprised to find that a very respect able portion, although not a majority, of the dissenters were disposed to reject the boon. He thought the church had a right to object to this demand of the dissenters. The legislature also, which sought to make a provision against youthful imprudence, cases of designing fraud, and violence, in favour of the natural guardians of youth, had also a right to com plain. He hoped the good sense and propriety of abandoning this ground of objection would be seen in the proper quarter. Upon the point of registration he would say one word. In a country like this it was surprising so imperfect a registration of births, deaths, and marriages should exist. A noble friend of his upon the cross benches would well recollect a case wherein a considerable property was on the point of going to the wrong party because of a deficient re gistration of birth. The defect of registry was not a grievance of which the dissenters alone had a right to complain, for that defect was one which was as much felt by churchmen as it was by dissenters. He had, however, the satisfaction of knowing that an hon. relative of his had devised a remedy for this evil. The measure to which he alluded stood for discussion he be lieved that very night in another place, and if it were adopted he was as convinced in his own mind, as ever he was of anything in the whole course of his life, that it would produce a complete, an efficient remedy to this particular grievance. He stated these circum stances to show how far he agreed with the sentiments of the petitioners. Indeed he might say that, with the exception he had mentioned, he went to the full extent of their prayer; but, differing from them as he did in some particulars, he should not have discharged his duty faithfully if he had not added his protest against as much of their demand as he considered un reasonable, and shortly stated the grounds upon which the opinions he entertained were founded. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY said, if the petition presented by the noble lord had confined it self to desiring the removal of the grievances or dis abilities under which the dissenters laboured—if it had merely required at their lordships' hands toleration to the full extent to which liberty of conscience could be granted, he should have most heartily concurred in its prayer, because it was his earnest wish to see every disability under which any class of his Majesty's sub jects unjustly laboured removed as speedily as possible. ( Hear, hear.) He could assure their lordships that he was as solicitous as any member of that house—as any man in the country,-to redress the grievances of the dissenters, as far as that redress was consistent with the duty which he owed to the church to which he belonged ; but, although he made this statement, he was at the same time bound to declare, that if the demands of the dissenters were at all di rected against the stability of the establishment, it would be a duty imperative on him to give them every opposition in his power. ( Hear, hear, hear.) Had the petition gone no far ther than to claim for the dissenters reasonable ad vantages, comforts, privileges, and dignities—had it merely asked that they might be secured in the enjoy ment of property—in a word, had they demanded to be put in full possession of all those civil rights to which they were legally and constitutionally entitled, he should not have offered a syllable in opposition to its prayer ; but when this was not the case—when, instead of seeking that for which they had a right to look, the petitioners avowed principles which he could not recognise, which were subversive of the established church—he felt that he should be wanting in his duty if he allowed the subject to pass over in silence. ( Hear, hear.) He entirely concurred in the greater part of the sentiments so ably and eloquently expressed by the noble and learned lord who had just sat down, and could not hear such demands as this petition pressed for made in that house without standing up in his place to protest against their going any such length as these petitioners would have them go. But really the proposition was altogether so wild, so absurd, and, he would add, so unreasonably extravagant, that he could hardly suppose it to have emanated from persons of the known intelligence and respectability of those whose names were affixed to this petition. Surely, in making such a proposition, they could not have kept in view the great object which an established church was designed to accomplish, namely, the dissemination of a pure and holy religion, not only in the lanes and alleys of populous towns throughout obscure villages, but, he might say, over the whole surface of the em pire. (Hear, hear.) The light of true religion could not possibly be extended to remote and insigni ficant places without the aid of an established church, and it was therefore on the grounds of its vast useful ness that it was to be defended. The noble and learned lord had most justly, and with that ability for which he was distinguished, explained the particular wants which it was intended to supply ; and to those who thought with him a religious institution a blessing the advantages of an established church must be suf ficiently obvious to dispense with the necessity of his taking up the time of their lordships by then pointing them out at any length. When he spoke of a reli gious establishment of any kind he merely looked at it as a means for carrying into effect the designs of the Almighty in revealing the Holy Gospels for the benefit of mankind. The Gospels were revealed for the benefit of the poor as much as for the advantage of the rich ; and if no established church existed he should like to know how the light of divine truth could reach the habitations of the poor? It was no doubt true that, even though no established church existed, indi vidual piety, in a rich country like this, would find means for diffusing religious instruction to a certain extent. In the wealthier part of great towns churches might be found as convenient and as well adapted for the purposes of divine worship as at present ; but, although this would do very well so far as the rich were concerned, the poor, who were scattered over the whole face of the country, must be totally neglected if religious instruction were not provided for them by the state. ( Hear, hear.) Without an established church the poor would be left in gross ignorance of the beauty as well as of the moral precepts of religion. They would be strangers to the hopes of the blessed hereafter which it held out ; or else, instead of being taught a sound religion and a pure faith, they would be left at the mercy of ignorant and illiterate fanatics, by whom they might be led into gross and absurd be liefs, which, in his opinion, would be just as bad as the absence of all religion. But there were also other points of view in which a religious establishment was important. It might be considered as holding out the light of pure Christianity—as preserving that true religion which had been really revealed from Heaven. Every man must be aware that a con taminated religion was worse than no religion at all ; and, as the object of the church was to preserve chris tianity pure and undefiled, it was in that point of view most important, not only to the unfortunate people who now existed—the present generation—but to all future ages. Had no church, he would not say esta blishment, existed from the earliest times, how could the doctrines of christianity be discriminated at the present day from the beliefs of the numerous sects with which the world abounded, and all of whom asserted that the notions which each entertained constituted the only true religion of Christ ? Amidst mukl sc:bi olprwene s isdetefr u nvneehepee e lereulsyti hfeamneneatti salutary,r vtsavheneo oth er w i sebontat sa i dti olnou rtt d bo ehg l etta e e ebhhottr s i nooeeae_r s f confusion and discord was it not evident that without purerhrrahcos consideration ledeolabbn aavi m s vtiderea e ei tcadnwhrebsht e el:eaa:g s aterhyeg t rbnboe a nueal rue f b eti odbotdi l . nh:n i ybas s e:fatnt h totfatshtdh m r mhihienehieteectle.eyanedwiohttad,drisharol Corruptions petitioni nde t ovunno h eliupub end e otst leeoui doheo r e qu i sitei tf g fnenteen ar n srto routyhcouhtmw c ler g yment o r lehew a duai ssa rg n luhemtd t hffi htogicehtte w anuhsaarvheom o nneetna u swhtxeva l hbciahnoteb d soeedaftotl a religious establishment, or they never would have advocated the proposition now put forward for destroy ing it. The dissenters declared that they were the friends of religion, and, if this were so, they should examine well the voluntary system upon which their churches were supported before they recommended that system for general adoption. Did they not, he would ask, complain of the inefficiency of the wretched provi sion, derived from voluntary contributions ' made for their ministers, or had they never expressed sorrow for the want of a sufficient number of places of worship to accommodate their congregations? He was misin formed or else they had • and had he not, therefore, a right to say that if the Whole country were put under the voluntary system, so much extolled by those who were unfriendly to the church, the result would be that the wants complained of by the dissenters themselves would be multiplied in exact proportion to the number of protestants as compared with the number of dissen ters ? The evil would be increased to an incredible extent, but it was not then necessary for him to enter further upon the advantages of a national church. He could not help expressing his deep concern and regret at the course which the dissenters had taken, neither was he able to conject ure th e cause w hi c h had so re cently produced such an alteration in their sentiments on this subject. Their objection to the church esta blishment was perfectly new. ( Hear, hear.) He believed that no such notion had ever existed in this country prior to the time of the French revolution, and he knew that before that period many respectable dissenters had advocated the necessity of a church esta blishment. Topics of a different kind they had un doubtedly discussed with great warmth, but until now they had not even thought of bringing forward a scheme so wild and extravagant as the abolition of the established church. He must confess he was wholly at a loss to know to what this change of sentiment was to be attributed. The noble and learned lord was quite right as to there being no text of Scripture which went to show the inexpediency of an established reli gion. It had been stated at the dissenters' meetings that the church establishment did more harm than good. The parties who made this injurious as sertion—and among them were names he re gretted to see in such a position—declared that they represented the great body of the dissen ters of this country ; but, although that might be the case, he still believed there were many belonging to these benevolent and distinguished communities who did not participate in any such principles or feelings, but who, on the contrary. were strongly convinced o f the benefits derived by the community at large from the church establishment. ( Hear, hear, hear.) The silence which such persons had hitherto observed had been construed into a sanction of the violent language used at the meetings to which he alluded, and there fore he hoped they would take an early opportunity of coming forward to avow what their real sentiments were, and whether they regarded the Church of Eng land as a grievance from which they desired to be de livered. The feelings which churchmen once enter tained for dissenters were completely worn out ; and he could now deny without the least hesitation that any--even the least—feeling of hostility existed in the mind of churchmen against dissenters. It was there fore unfair that the latter should exhibit such hostility against the former. But was that, he would ask, the way to preserve peace, or was it not rather the way to revive gone-by animosities, which ought not to be re called into existence? As for himself, he solemnly de clared that he did not entertain the slightest feeling of either animosity or disrespect towards the dissenters ; and he might make a similar statement on behalf not only of the clergy with whom he had communicated, but of the clergy generally. Whenever the assault that was made upon the church became the topic of con versation amongst those of the clergy with whom he had spoken, no expression escaped them that was in consistent with Christian charity, or that manifested the least animosity towards the dissenters. ( Hear.) On the contrary, they one and all agreed that all the conces sions that could be made with safety should be granted, and this, he could assure their lordships, was the common language in which every address on the sub ject that he had received was couched. But it had been said that the clergy felt the danger which sur rounded them, and were, therefore, afraid to speak their sentiments freely one to another. That, how ever, their lordships would readily believe, was not the case ; but, even supposing for the argument sake, that they were in danger, could it for a moment receive credence that they were so wanting in spirit as to fail in self-defence ? That defence they were prepared to make, should the necessity arise ; but then it should always be carried on in a Christian spirit. But before the Dissenters had assumed their present threatening attitude, he would ask, what had been the conduct of churchmen towards them and their claims ? They had opposed the Catholic Emancipation Bill, not from any wish to deprive the Catholics of any advantage to which they were entitled, but because they conceived the measure to be injurious, not only to the Irish church, but to the church of England. The records of the speeches delivered in that house would show the grounds upon which they resisted the repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts, by which Dissenters re ceived such considerable relief. They opposed that measure, not on account or with reference to the church, but because they found it impossible to re concile it with the general policy of the country. Without occupying the time of their lordships longer, he begged, in conclusion, to say, that whatever steps might be taken against the church, whatever irritating language might be used or aspersions cast upon the clergy ; and whatever means might be resorted to for the purpose of destroying or overturning the church, he yet hoped that the clergy would never forget that Christian spirit which alone should actuate the minis ters of religion. They should uncompromisingly op pose anything that tended to impair or diminish the efficiency of the church ; but then they should dis charge their duty in a Christian spirit, and not endea vour to deprive those by whom they were assailed of any advantages to which they were legally, fairly, and constitutionally entitled. Earl FIT Z WILL lAM said that he had heard with very great satisfaction all that had fallen from his no ble and learned friend, and he was quite sure that any argument delivered by his noble and learned friend in favour of the church would be more efficacious out of doors than anything that could proceed from any other member of their lordships' house. He regretted, how ever, that so trifling a measure of relief as his noble and learned friend had stated was intended for the dissenters, and, so far from satisfying them, the pro posed concession would only have the effect of ren dering them still more discontented than they at present were. He could not see how the laws relating to clandestine marriages could operate so as to im pede that for which the dissenters asked • but he must say he regretted exceedingly that his noble and learned friend had gone at length into the ar gument relative to the connection between publishing bans and clandestine marriages. With respect to the speech delivered by the most reverend prelate, all he could say was that no dissenter could have heard it without feeling respect and love for the character from which such sentiments emanated. The most reverend prelate was, however, mistaken if he thought that old recollections had passed into oblivion. Scarcely six years had passed since the great battle was fought in another place for excluding dissenters from all civil offices. A great lesson was then given to the church, from which it ought to have profited ; but he feared that it had not, and that it was still liable to the taunt then levelled against it, namely, that it had not assisted in the well-,governing of the country. The LORD CHANCELLOR never intended to say that no other means could be adopted than pub lishing bans in the parish church. All that he meant was, that it was a matter of necessity, under the Mar riage Act, that some proceeding must be adopted to give publicity to the intended marriage of parties. If the power were given to dissenters to publish the names of the parties in the chapels or meeting-houses, it would be attended with the greatest inconvenience. For instance, it might be done in a place where only half-a-dozen of people were present, and this, in point of fact, would be no publicity. Such a proceeding would be most injurious to the members of the esta blishment, as well as the great body of dissenters. For instance, any of their lordships' daughters or sis ters might be inveigled into a marriage, and be in duced, pro hoc vice, to become members of a congre gation of dissenters. This might be called publicity ; but in point of fact it would be concealment. He was aware that there were great objections to the present mode of publishing the bans, but these would not be removed by ordering them to be published in dissent ing meeting-houses. The latter course would often be adopted with a view to prevent notice being given to churchmen, that their daughters were about to be run away with. Earl FITZ W ILL lAM The Archbishop of CANTERBURY was aware that objections had been made to the present mode of publishing the bans. A different system was acted upon some time since ; that was, that the names of the parties were affixed to the doors of the parish church. This was found to create general disgust throughout the country, and led to a diminution of the number of marriages, and it was therefore found ne cessary to alter it. The Earl of HADDINGTON wished for a mo ment pall tfrom theirrm G lordships'lasgo and also to the natureattentiontothp numbeio of the petition of persons to i w whom This had been petitionw statedas said hadid to b esubscribed signed b th ei; names 52,000 inhabitants of that great and industrious city; and the object of the petition was to get rid of the un scriptural and injurious alliance subsisting between church and state. He was astonished at the prayer of the petition, coming as it did from a place celebrated for its attachment to the church of Scotland. He thought it most surprising that any number of persons should be found in that place to sign a p e tition which was to have such an effect on the national church of that part of the empire. He had been assured bya gentleman of great respectability, well acquainted, with Glasgow, that a great number of names of parties had been signed to that petit i on with out their knowledge ; that some had signed their names over and over again, and that man)' were sham names ; and also that boys had, for the ptupose of amusement, signed their names to it.' l e could not be supposed that all the names affixedt° t ! 1 petition were those of persons qualified to judge of I , t• The number of the signatures was equal to the wh° le adult males in Glasgow, and he was sure that their lordships would not suppose that the whole population of that great city entertained such opinions as vi l t set forth in the petition. He would venture to al th e that the prayer of the petition was contrary to feelings, all the desires, which the great body nt . , th :i people of that city entertained for the establish church of Scotland. He believed that many pers"' had signed the petition without knowing what the had signed, and also that man of the church y names of pe rsons O f f y affixed to it not members of Scotland, or wishing that that church might be separated frail the state, but who wished to promote the ruin of s' churches. (Hear.) p by or t i ti o , n 6o o o f names. The LORD CHANCELLOR observed that the petition he had presented from Glasgow was si g n , t e n s a . me H s a e ffi d x id ed n t o o t itbewleiervee ofth atthaenyungtru-ra,; described by his noble friend, although it was Yel , : . f probable that some of the signatures were those_„ boys, and some had signed their names more o,_ 7 once to it with a view to give increased weigh t to !, from great numbers. This latter circumstance% he" . ever, was incidental to petitions having manY tures. He had reason to belie ve th a t the persons li e j had signed the requisition for the meeting bad s ha d great care so as to prevent such proceedings , been alluded to by the noble earl, as they ha d g - . 0 round with the petition. (Hear.) The persons 1_ question were 252 in number, and were most respelice% able gentlemen. But even he admitted things had been done as were stated by his which friend, and deducting in consequence the 8, 60 °' - us & was certainly more than could be expected, agal(the them would still remain 40,000 signatures. H e t h e Lord Chancellor) was given to understand that o _ petition did not come merely from Glasgow, but fr e ll; that city and its vicinity, namely, Glasgow and six nine miles round, which would give abtpdant peP °l .. tion, and he need hardly say that it was a very.e" that noble gious part of the country". Gl T as h g e ow ß a is n h d op its ef vic L in O i r sh O ow N ed sa t id he th a a d t va t n h t e age c s it y th :t those places with an established church had over oth , places where there was no establishment. The estr blishment at Glasgow , however , was ver y limited in comparison with the population. There was a man at 4. Glasgow connected with the established churc h 0 e Scotland who had effected greater moral, and 1 1, hoped that he might be able to add political g in that place than any individual of his day. He hardly say that he alluded to Dr. Chalmers. ( n et " hear.) There were in the neighbourhood of that pis° between 50,000 and 60,000 persons for w hich the, clergy of the church of Scotland were exerting the d; selves to provide the means of religious wor shi p ; at he would ask what had the dissenters don e for tha purpose ? The clergy, by their exertions, had alread,Y , raised 12,0001., and they relied upon raising 40,000/, with which they intended to endow the churches theY were erecting. The petition was laid on the table. . A The Archbishop of CANTERBL T R y presena.. petition from the Presbytery of Aberdeenshire °gains/ the separation of the church from the s tate. Th e P e ' titioners, although dissenters from the Church of Pe ' land, felt interested as members of a Christian churteo_ in supporting the religious establishments of n! . country. The petition was signed by the convener 4 ":, the part of the meeting, and he understood that tweny, highly atcm P i to tronitoorhfil more e ed. sems gratifiedno cerFees distinguishedrto o ii nn f mg t h h aim e altlhn Uatdahtsnaatitptfhvoopeehirseoles learned ree y acdendt o oeo f hnedf is, A m, ctbeh b iroeet e dno r ytp d i p heardeh e o rt e uaei Aberdeen i eoo w dfnfne ' i e stit r eth e thseha p : jerc r iingier e e s e l egoe. i ,: : A th in at st n ru o e n t e i : er o e , 1 their Church reE t di h rea e rrpelads tFtooil.Tallized e Nuov f tnile S tLsh c Scotland t ri l a aAt n bom d l e .he the believed religious people than the clergy of the Church of Scotland , ' presented four petitioas from the dissenters of places in Yorkshire, praying ibr ' r the removal of grievances. The noble earl also pre' • sented a petition from the Master Warden and otheg ; members of the Company of Cutlers at Sheffield f°t; the better observance of the Sabbath, and tha t all qv: ' yelling might betut a. stop to on that day, and also that an effectual stop might be put t o amusements olu the Sabbath. The noble earl also pr esented a petitiot from Sheffield against the Corn Laws. ley, T h L e opnrrodabySli noble o F rf F do r l p E rt eb L se ennste e separation r petitionspresentedat i from r church thh from eatn hdrua nsl P ta rdas state. , of Aylesford, Norfolk, co mp ing lain i f of agllclutltaux ; also tress, and praying for the rep ea_ o the ma b shire, against granting the claims of dissenters to degrees in the universities. The noble lord said he did not agree in the prayer of the last petition:co _ t a be petition s abbat f h ro ; m also D aawpliesthi petition n r ftrhoembemt tiedrdioetsoenr:aLnLei of 1 The Earl of ROSE BERRY presented a pett2,, e . from Renfrew 'in favour of the Scotch Entail The noble earl said he should move the second r dill of this bill to-morrow, and that he sho uld postponP.L'Ai second reading of the Roman Catholic Marriages l' , until Friday. t h fromeT bheet placestßeri s o h b e ai p ne or CARobservance Cumberlandn ca o L f t I hSeL Sabbath b p d b r e aN s t e ho n .r t t e b d u m f o b e u r fr p i s e i t l j u t, i ° f il o, 3 ,1 was jo t s h e e p n h \ The examination of witnesses relative t r V Le A seuw ß mi W sed l . CK B 0 R 0 UGH 81L.40. this bat On .. George Harrison was afterwards exam.° cross-examination he admitted that he ches , Warwick by the name of the ~ King of the Poa and that he had been several times in prison. was the first witness ow° , ea h le . d * • ' ' John Wolley was then examined. to yed t h 6 • A messenger of the House of Commcvonsaspkronvownfor: impossibility of serving summonses p e rsonal ° n o w persons required as witnesses. Their na mes i Oram, Dingley, Lapworth, and Tevers. , ~ er - Thomas Jones, Oram's son-in-law, was tu e- h oil be issued against Oram and Dingley, amined ; but nothing particular was elicited fro m OS.' Mr. Page, another messenger, was exandn e ":,„ger• evidence was similar to that of the former mess nano' The Earl of D URHAM then moved that via rr „ be Wicklow, the Duke of Wellington, nn that ti t % o f taken into the custody of the Sergeant -at the' house. +l, Sa ri 1 :' After a few words from Lord Wynford , — e 1. 4 0.-- , •in d all Chancellor, the question was put and n e fr a l iv o e ft it now at A th t e th h e ou su se g a ge o s f tio o n r o a f m th a e ad Lo p an in C o n ey A:l l 'w_or oor agreed upon that notices should be servea should be required to attend the house or Friday to ba_ . . Y- If after such notice they did not attend , intothe c '''' recourse to the extremity of taking thew tody of the Sergeant-at-Arms. worth • I f Lai ) 0' Notices also to be served on the house „ the woo, and Tevers, and their presence at the bar et it- , to be required on Thursday se'nnight• the' . After the examination of Mr. Smith, another ness, the house adjourned. orroc this The examination to be resumed to-ra day) at four o'clock, r i d that a y ntehi,ei:. HOUSE OF Am -00P-- - commoiv I MOMS, fife l i t- fl ute The SPEAKER resumed the chair at twentY • past five. the ir hat lordshipsess h ag ad e f a r g om reed the to L th o e rds ur a i n ti n sh o u A nc ni eci er i : t e i tet y L o a d i Bill,a and dhe Corruption Dublin and 4 K m i n g g p s o o n en i f2 l tn, ad Companytheribery On the motion of Colonel SE ALE' some other bills. and assed• _ the Market Bill was read a third time Mr. O'CONNELL brought up the report of end- Mr. O le committee on the Dublin Cemetery Bill. ments were read a second time• POOR LAWS' AMENDNIENT BILL' e ery Lord ALTHORP said that he though t 1 " Ong e wci ii r l e desirable that the house should get into th committee upon the Poor Laws' Amendment Oit'hlere, vious to the Whitsuntide holyda s. He wishe d ' ',l -- s' fore that hon. members who had Y notices for Welt it day next would allow him to take precedence% ha v e was the opinion of the house that he s hould no' „ o ois preeedenee on Wednesday, then lie should ele.. that they should go into committee pro foo l " - the Fishguarcl