The Sun. — London, England, 1815-06-22 00:00:00

/ •—..- .. • : , . . ImPrttAT, PARLIAMENT. • ..• 23^T :;I; uy;D,.;', W,,:rzsalv, ~T!,- x t"; .1.. r Y th .II- • ' - I.:" rn.of Ermr r•ic , .. philtiol. r.Boltnne, tit; tor.o - iffirrtiNitl,, 'i , i.i . ,..„;:,,:; ) ,- f 1., rwart below- with. 701. c'ist' pf'l , . 7.•;vi, 1); - ,, t • ii , : " -- "1 - F i• ri ! ri d n c , a d s an.; Bridges, ,",. .„.„ .r. • _;. ( neg.. t . :,: . 7t. ;.... ' • 1 Shios and the Irish (Alia 1-)In'• 4'. 1."81! R"th. ''' "I'''. 1\ tn. r.l ' (.. moi .‘ by \!r. tr,,,, tf.3 lititwere hrong,ht npflF on the m: 1 ) . • .Pen 'lnd o th erg, ;m1 re,d '2 fit , / time, al It ere the New .i',',lnii-Nison Bill, oresente:i it , Sir .T;III"S Sl' l '• . - • V_ " T- ' 4, " - t 5h;,,,, wii , ...- 'ld . 4 • . iiif! the Irish , h i p .4,71 . e. , . ' 1, , tr:.? [sew , ;. Ins. , b:ii• r • ),,..., rt:11 ..-er -•.. I ' , •ini "ion. and pa,seri i. Trish Pol..ll„stiL'ii.ec . " and N ' P ' st "T er l l'i f l t 1 !turns' the : ev. ~ . ..... , • oroo-.11 Committees fth Whole House and Were- , eji gort. d. .1., 0 nn th e ,f 1 , stiz:zestion of R•trl 13 ATI T"TIST, , 'er 'lnsider-1'; t•. nnd with a . view to -43,f r i...._ .., ...on of th e nt..,tsitro . iil the rte xt !N , scian, the '' " n 6° '''ls. nil was ordered to be read a third tithe this Aaythree month s . .... . POREICIN SLAVE TRADE BILL. . . ~. ~1- .rev i l l'is to th e 'O rder of the D ay being enter . n on i, n for the recommitment of this Bill, .. `, /11 7 Earl of IVEsTmoRPLAND re-stated several to y the measure, objectionsl3,,ariitel'llainti°ystthiemphir-toevrisioll for attaching the i'e"2l - of felony for •oir ences committed" against the Act . k„ abi ' -- F"este'l the little. prosct of their being $ e to reduce the Bill into a tolerable shape this k ess irl'i, in which view he suggested to the Noble eluded a tiols the propriety of postponing it, and con ,_".tt h . 1 moving for - the appointment of a .C . om_ 7 .ee to ; -nquire into the state and form of juris t 1 et ,„.... w t :.`" l „ of the courts established in Africa and the ak ai ` "(lies' for the trial of offences committed- l' t 9" the for of the 47th andslst of the. Icing, IPreting the• African Slave 'tirade. Th ' t e ..,,, Aer e *ere certain other propositions, be ob th eg '‘ . which he adopted' consequent upoi - cni ; -- as, an - inquiry' into the iirolecutions, I:lvietions, and Confi.Pations which, had taken 71vaee'atulor•-these Acts. Certain -other topics were .v "_t.toned, hitt the fir s t on ly was r e gu l a rly moved Lly los Lordship. Th e tolti t propoition gave list. to a conversation o f . nf r e ei 'grb between the-Noble Earl, the Marquis ""sflovrtie, the Earl or Liverpool, Lord Ellen tli("pligl,l. and other Peers ; the result was, that Vii. was induced to . ‘vitlidraw his mo :'.'or the preselit, and their Lordships, pursuant , 11;itthe. former Order, proceeded -to the re-com ment t i le Bill • Ser er . • - tti, a addutonal Amendments were proposed, , BusseYt by the Marquis of Lansdowne, and this :Pee,:(' '7 the Committee in detail. "Fhe Noble • tor . jl 4" '".e-ntentioneti, with the additio-n of I/j e t . Ltedesilide and the Earl of Harrowhy, were vil e4e6 • In conclusion it•tvis aelccedi with , Av e :" 7E framing one of,.thg principal chlises . to lied e - Q 4 :, l l f ac6on o• their Lordships (which !Ara: ,4;ria ,-(iare-setTineil to undertake), that the lionse t ltte res ume forth w ith, .ati*the Cominitte e " , . ro , c } l O le sitigain ; pro fornto, oil Friday; IoY4 _ rAti o 9.,von t l tlon ofthat , Clause, when the whole 13411. II - I rinted for ulterior consi- • )e 11) , Wit g , 1 . 11 1 • his arrangement , b e i ng agrevd to, : it : 41 tilC l :_ r e ti ( l i o n rr e o 'c l i v q : lrni,Ay, and the liotte adjourn, Li; t 'll e *•, ' HOUSE OF COMMONS. it ti ~""•,, 1)ort on •t 1 Rozeberry Divorce Bill was.ree . eired, ... t he ' -... r .3 , 1 . "tdered ..le be re a third tine to- morrow. a. 4 " 1 I) it'''wee ir Ito i E mint Salts Duty Bill, the .oc,o went .litro i ,, l .o till," no i 'l ' 1 ie Di• i tillerT, Acts ill, severally the — C;ointo'4.- the n' oils to-n'iVirow. •li Calii itt"S'---",`.." - ntion Bill, the Thinbary I ' ‘, , is ont „ ured slave Lill, the Como ~ , . read a third '''. ' 9 *. 4 Ul liv and the 'toll Abaten,ellllW, s% et e . . ; . th e ; 41 PittAed a - , .'iit • *O4 ' , Mil 11111 the 'llll-it Intereciiirriefßill, and the Public . ISA''a ti me to-morrow,. !ftiii, w ere several) re l ioried, and ordered to he read ~ . • ' . ' .... _ - • \t, IIACKNEY 11)A.CHES't hi 1: !'IISHINGTON, after a few prefatory observation!, in , ~... ‘. d e ll ' he briefly stelil.his oi)iect on the Bill he wished . to in• ' ' Aitielic; "441is.. x . thject.,.,nin x . k fo.r leave to Isfing in a Bill to " .tAtt,,,tl.le-Hazitney Coach Act. lit '`- . • l ae . tj:l, a few word s from General Thornton,' who thong cinch ood and would hare 4' , dei le , zt f i " t • 'teni , ) 'iii done in .t 9; ' M 17e-hiut.it liren o - oner'V enforced, Irate NertV g iven. ''... ;till '. 7 , 41 - 8 1 Q -SoN :i icht nil- an -Aceowit of..the,expenses - " r "tt el\ th e , tlii !ilkling; ill .I Windser pork, Wliieb w'as ordered to -, • *The H `" l e• • • . -‘,. 4,1 , ii tte went Into a Comntittee on the Irish Postage • t esql. i ,iiieli it 55• h rrsolveot; that the; sum of 00,9!..5h0u14 i Pert to- l'aelietS, out of the r ev e nu e! ". , . tloxli Loorrow. of the P • ost Othoe.-- , ' 'lE 'th' Tti - GENERALS HAY,-GORE:, SKIRRET, ~4or',i 6 t`' p `G.IIII.S AND _GILLESPIE.,, , 0. ..* z. Illle"Arrie RVAG Fr rtise in pur - siian ce of the n ate ' fitt t Oveti tO ((love for .erection :of inoot?- ; :. kirrl4 Mte.- ; :perilf4y of- Generals• .114 y, Gore .- tis i n Ct .: ll. 9nlt?s .i. In d Gillespie. He wished that -ma fel t -01 tneir country 's yr/011011e to. Office.! -le •' in it t ._, '• , „ , c‘e d ~ith gam* general ,„; in if_ -,•rviee, shon,a-oe earn! _ .. th -. grant of such tribute. Tfte prineipleliittierto ... ' 4kai r Iv at 1461;((ments ,I, d0..-(j e , granted .t.o those Officers . k elit, r 4 k r f.ell in actions, wh(e)t bad hei4( an iihiect of Parlia a • ( t e n % inl„.-I'attli. This princiile hail liitherto'•een dep , a . rte , . .:bittki,-;ntore than two or Three iniaanees. But he w tNh . 01 1 1 , 4 1 4 7 rule of .-Lg. motionients' depd on i 4!ltt -- &lit Y 4 d'Pertl tit g at they Shill Ila tie granted t en s ery Of f ic , e; ee rtie; a ak of M ajoi - (teneial . whOshonla fall in his countr).' . ° fill ' and be rekoi ,(1 for th at tribute by the Minister st r , e Cro wn -,„ nni,"P - - 1-. inao-tiitu.le of the `• se ge e i ll .... Itlittollt . referee ce to ' - a ,..-,',. 4 1 to th e he tell. This, he thou t. g . l e st ,:. Would be . be . n t. e: i isc4i trpie . '"e enuntry, and an . incitement, if, iodeed, int it _ . 2 '" • l'eee *ltarY •to the rahiur of her othe,q J. .He tv(_iold ' . r e - 1 / 4 1 ;, ?1e , t n„ the objects of his pit,ent, motion. ad• Joi.t Ten 4 ,„1/i g 04 ,_. eral Hay,whO fell in front of Ljayonne T ; i l ' i e rav ti t t ly t , , . ,3,'..1,,1tr.,(je1,!1_,5.tr00p5. The next ohjec if ts n of his motion were 4,,,,,:ftc,,,,T ~ . .7,!. a .1 (. Tore and Skirret, who in front of Bergen. , o i ltrtit',' s '_',lo.. whose conduct , rl.l valour e -were conspicuous lei rltto t , h ," . 1 every other occasion. Hr should then hare to tttd„. lainr-General Gillespie for whom he ntay be cork . ,11 4 ; ,,, i4 ti; Q f re l .inlimately conce7ll.e,i, as he was not only w a h i e c c i i , u b n e ' k o ' h ihe 1,,,,„," 4, ,tita 4 %dive of the same county } fo r t Pail 7lr of bein ,, a representative. He ha d served in 1 . hties k 4 ' '),' too t ,: "f the world, and in no Part .wh€Le hie a )I b . - t6 l .: e d 6y.-4,)!, atid_virtues were nut conspicuoni . . ..c was ..el 4.44,irl:;•i:eich4rave 'and . motirned by the valiant ; ilnd tier t oi ~ prod'uceil him in nuinhering the sons of aer vet e : 4 3.ll ‘,.i: .. " 4 let. mention :him without feelings of l proud, ieer ~,,u _ i 4 Cli9ts recollection. He foil , in his usu4 sb c , a latt , t til'i le F , , before Kalutiga, in the East lnd:es. ct to, ,t„:l4l'44;__!..ll,oldhiore the tribute of rnelan . cho l ly w r a e r d ' d Pe Paken- FthvilletiNnetwraltPii"s' u . , , h° , f :}lt u h ." A li :e i r r ica. The N c' b j e • fitted if i t:t e v'ee.(4 .ted by toov%; l ',t - h l at there he an 'hintiblet Address t to his Royal If4;liness the Prince Regent,- prajm the o„elmiously pleased to give orders for.the exe to n •tacrals above -n=o. • ~ UPPLY Al t 11 t he ti, '',. •of - C H A NCELL OR of the ' Ex.- , 1„ k . ...lon tor ; _. illy. kitt e i"ts. Me House resolve() itself into Cf 4 St . . vk s 'Fbe CtiA N t PPIY; L. :.k ti.--CELLOrt. of the EXCHEQUER said, that there lio c ' - 'n' to snake • • f Channiont,.for• our oats. rti t i al br good the Treaty o •' , Tr,.„,!' trgeps, 455,00.. 4nd a further sum fur, Sttbsi' , . • , til"tef,i.tZes, both amounting&l-. - He to I ' '°l ' °s6l Ins to . . 4 4, 4 t, l ' i illi tt ," ":ed, that chi; sum he granted to Maj esty . - then , -- u.inake good his Subsidiary Treaties pr_estuus to 41 Peed NI. Iltef ti4i!',3,l-4!, Moved was io,cooL for ithip;oving 7 the build.-. ,4; VV : - ‘ % , ,c,;;:ifer i t y of 'Edinburgh. ' ninett ' due to the. .... !At C'ity n i if, , l ' l l agreed th4t f there (vas Universities in gietieral; • t ti , ;11,,,,, 1it qL burgh, acct to uIF:. 't *i.h., e "rtT,, °lig priv,ilege of he boi . t . r y .. ~.„ 0. a. ~.,J x to , , Y were Obliged to he ftiriusbett with ei r i . ..! ti,;,teett 12 ,7 !ni er,LI at Srationers'•kiall. This i:!F-th9ttitht "5 . ..5-itti` i tt i` for ,T 4 411 on literary genitio. ight t , , oe. d a b gPes e i t , d. .410 N Session low . far this priVile.g* sL'".tt C r '. itAiptiti‘t•tiAtt• • ' .. C -ELLOR of H of ExcHEQUERcO94I2Y! agree `.1.)4\1i1/4,.(liersilies :this pr rile siiid . a ttit tho cirialaaC.of,ths LTuiFer! ~. d • . • sties, of copies of crell'lMolV-ilit - wa; ee.t.cred Stationete Pal!, was a departore trt,i'm the spirit of he Act, which tcoded tnat thly 141%;r conies of Bitch hoetics "'ll.v were objects tif theirpliroti'ts:: He would •wiSh..th:i.t.as - tii're. ws•re manybuildivigs Lroing• to he commenced, a new : Rust Office - , F,vellatkre; &C. care should he taken to make them, fire-Proof. This could he (lone at a small expellee. It were ninch to he wished that 'the' Scitisli Musenni. whe , i* there was such a nnrtt.herof hnulct , which, if destro y ed, could riot at any price IYe replaced, could he rendered lire-piiof. After some farthepcoriyersati,in hetween Sir E. BryilKes, Mr - . Horner, Jlr. Dmidas, and Mr. 'W. Sloith, the niotinti was agreed to. The next slims moved for were 500,0001. and 5.570,0001. to pny oft certain Exchequer Bills, outstanding and unprovided for in ISI4. The next sum was 3,3721. for the Barracks of Cork. EMIGRATION TO AMERICA, Mr. lIonNER had owa t'oimer occasion called the attention of the House to this cobtect, and had then un derstood that it was the intention of Government to direct the coarse of those who wished to .emigrate from the Ut i it v d States to our own 'settlements in America. Advertisements had bower; r appeared, holding out direct incitements to emigration, and in some places of Scotland much disquiet and distress had been produced in consequence of these ad vertisements. Several who had left their native places of abode had been detained at Glasgow from Apriitill the pre sent tithe, having only their little savings to subsist on, and, a large family to support. One man in particular, who had saved fifty guineas, was now maintained by charity. ' Though Government had giVen ni) encouragement to emigratioq, the same person still continued to repeat his advertisements.. Mr. GouLnuikS;-iaid, that Gurernment had not held those offers by was of encouragement.to emigration, but to divert the Emigration that was taking place to the United 'States of North Americii to our own colonies. It was neces sary for that purpose to state facilities to go to our colonies. But that the spirit of emigration might not be excited, th•tre was a price fixer' for the passage something less than for that to the United States. The whole number of those who had abandoned the Highlands to emigrate to oar colonies, and were disappointed in nut getting a passage, amounted to about 86 fatniiie=, •and they received a daily allowance front the day of their arrival in Glaskow. LOlll BINNING said, Gat it was impossible Go. rernment should wish to enconrage the emigration of such a valuable part of the population as t he peasantry of the High lands fd . Stotlatul. But ifthe emigration was going on to the United States, it i%as politic - to divert it to our. Colonies. , „ . Mr. LiORZIER thought it tench-better that . Go vernment should 'not have interfered at all, as it was impos= sink to Mild out facilities of going to our Colonies, withont excitinot spirit of emigration. The Resolutions were then agreed to. Report to-morrow. WAYS AND MEANS. The House' went into a Connnittee of Wars and Means, and the CH XINCELLOR-of the EXCHEQUER moved, that there be granted to Lis Majesty the stun of 2 . ;81.2,0001. for Exchequer Bills: and the.sums of 450,0001. and 1,500,0001. for Exchequer Bills for the service of Great Britain. - In the Committee there war a clause introduced, imposing . countervailing duties on Irish Spirits. Report to-morrow. Mr. BROGDEN brthight 'up Report of the Chelsea Pen sioners Bill. To he read a third time to-morrow. MILITARY PUNISHMENT. Mfr. 1 1 1ENETT rose to Move- for leaee to-bring in a-Bill to restrict the infliction of military punish ment in the army. lie said that front all he could learn, and he had Made rely extensive inqifirics cis the subject; flogging neter prt.duced • ally . amendment in the army. This was•proved by a. document he held in, his hand This document strewed that in the 10th rogiment of Hussa:s, : , there were tto . fewer than 62flor.tged from the 14th of February, 1813; to the 14th of Fehruarv, 1814 c and some had reeeryed 600, some - five linnttr;,uh'- and some four hundred lashes, in so much tb there had - been fortrteetc thousand tine hundred lashes inflicted in one veer in that regident. Yet in the next six ,months there, were . 32 lashedill - the same regiment. This yroved that flogging was not the right mink 'n im)trOVitig the army. Thetoctnander-in-Clklef brut 1 c.rmaret. tt c.rec atm &r rCCOTUmenda(ion that there should not be above a certain tuttither of lashes inflicted. list in, most instanres it appeared that - the masi innni-of the Commander-in-Chier• directions Was the in initntym of the actual infliction. It miss ;HI possible for the 'Commander-in-Chief to attend to every particular case. It appeared from the do ttnnents he hail recourse to, that there trere 500, 400, and 300 lashes inflicted 'for conduct unbe coming asoldier ; and %Own it was considered what I V - fling (4,o c es may he deemed unbecoming st sol dier, could it be said dna the discretion es' inflicting -such a :punishment 'for such an undefined er me was •not,too much for a Court. martial However, tf flogging were productive of any cons; terabit, are endnient in the army, there wo , !ti be some 'plea for it. But ;it generally destroyed its victim. Ws.ile the lash stripped the hark, de51 1 . 3.1. f wined round t e soul. 'All the feelings of manly pride were cut up by it. Whitt,' it mangled the body, it broke the spirit and &Traded the Mind. llrhy s:tould such a system of nunishm:mt be con tinned ht liugland, which had been iliscontinued in foreign nations ? Flogging formed a part in the military system of- no other nation but this. It Was -not used in the French armies. It was oboltshed in the Prussian service in the last cani paign. Was there any 'thing peculiar in the nature of am Enelish soldier that required a more :degrading: and more cruel punishment than the soldiers of other equntlies ? No person would d are tred t hi s o w n fume animal at. Charing Cross 'as cruelly as souse of those' English soldiers were used. •Indeed, he bad been . infortned.of ins stances, whets-the bravest soldiers had fainted at the hare sight of the tortures of their co m He left it tii the judgment of the House to say whether some legislative provision ought not to he made-to abolish all such punishments. lie thought some provision ought to be made to pre vent, under any -eircumstaiees, the number of lashes exceeding 100; and concluded with moving for leave to brink in a Bill for limiting the ma ber of lashes inflicted by Courts Martial in the ,army. „ . Colonel l'Atmr.ti was sorry to renew, in nny manner, the qUestion of the Cont t-Martiat on Co lonel Quentin, • Wlich hood been induced to .drop, ou hefting- that that Officer haul again been ordered on service with his regiment ,but as the list of punishments in the 10th produced by Col. 'a 'in his defence had b een state d by hi s Hon. Friend As the ground of his motion, he could not, in justice to 114; own conduct, avoid entering into an explanation of the . subject. With respect to the general question of corporal punishment, it could only. be justified by its necessity. ; but dis- Cipline was essential for the Government of the A t - my . Ilk did not: pretend 'to undev,tnnd the subjee.t better than other OfE cers , b ut co ,_ teuded that none but military then were eon,- petent to &bide-, and that -he g4ve credit to the motives - his 'lmmutable Fricod and others who bad hrongh l t •forwiird this it had been productive. of serioii,. tnisehiet to the. service, by- encouraging. insubord nation in. Lite soldiers, and - :checking the cxe,rtions of the. .ocers in.prev,enting it. The lion. INl.A•inher entic. 4 4 1)9 iiikaicUPg was mare. teeegsarv---,ntnw neee-sity was not disputed , 20 years ago, y'llen • the _army was on -so-s-mall, a scale, that 'mei-. merits_ only admitted or . . retainefl. ,those of good character,; 15114 - of late 'years. front' time increase Of the :estalilishmerit, men of-all desiriptions were 'enlF - sfed,.anil-those- of: the very woi:st cliaraci.ers, were kept in the service.. _ With respeet,to. the ret, , imeut lie had beliinged t'o "lie. hoped to justify the system he lm pro:sned„ and • to•"s+tristy the I-I mist that it= hail co atpletelv answered the- pti,r 7 poses of . Regiment had "been quartered in LitiilPti under Colonel Quentin, pre-. vious to its going abroad, and it was to. its re laxer! discipline at home th att he punishments which had been found necessary-on service were to be imputed ; on the - arrival of the,regintent at Lisbon,. the whole were a state of drunkenness-and disorder,which it was his indispensible duty, for the sake of the regiment and the service to put a stop to. He did not punish i a single man till lie had given warping to the whole •• but by a firm Mid consistent conduct, in less t han. a Month the regiment, from the worst state of discipline ! , was in as good order as any regiment in - the' service". During two months that he. had held the coin mand, only nine men were punished, and during the next two months, the regiment-being under thec(immand of Colonel' Roharts, the same dis cipline was kept up with as fei punishments:— On Colonel Qhentin's return to the regiment, the discipline fell away immediately, till, at last, the excesses v i the men,brought on the disgrace con veyed in the 'censure of Lord Wellington. Had Colonel-Quentin pursued the same system, the same grind order must have continued; but where only one in twenty, were punished, climes could not be prevented, Mid - yet without effecting the benefit, upon which alone -corporal punishment could be justified; malty more men were punished. by Colonel Quentin th in by Colonel Robarts him self.. The Honourable Member peoCeetled to point out instances of Colonel -Quentin's inconsistency. in punishing the men. .. . Colonel of the Hon. Colonel commenting on the goon interposed, to suggest the im proprietyconduct of Colonel Quentin at w period-subsequent his (Colonel Palmer's) conitnand of •the.regi-. meat, and at the present time, when that Officer was commanding his regiment abroad. COL PALMER resumed. He said he felt himself justified in the observations be had made, as be considered Colonel Qaentin to have been the means of dragging hint before the Flonse in the present discussion.- He knew that many of his (Colonel Fs) friends had been influenced by the.defence • which Col.Quentln had made on his Court-Martial; and knowing, as he did, the great prejudice that • had been excited against him and. Col. Robarts, he on_ly, wished to prove that . his system was better than .Colonel Quentin's; at the same time that he %email' only attribute tlie•alteration he had made tti it t6-a - defteietrcy , of jOgnient. Redid not Wish to impute improper motive.s tti this9l4er but, on the.eontrary, he was convinced - that lie had acted with ffumantty towards 'the men:: 'At the same time he would say, that what lie had stated' wt} the Court Martial respecting dogging, wins e u ` to. no : credit whatever, He denied that the m en had been flogged till they 'fainted ttway.-- 7 Snme men were constitutionally better able to hear the punisltment than others . ; and be- had as often seen them taint away at iheir prayets as at their halberts. So:ue men could• hear•soo t a ,ho better than others could support 100; and he had seen-instances of men who h a d r eceived 400 l as h es , who within an hour afterwards were found dead. drunk in the streets. The Commanding °dicer was responsible for all suentrishments, and.was coat, pelted to have a Surgeoh, present, to see that they were not ton severe for't heconstitution of the cut , prit. In short, our System of military punish ment was not near so rigid as that in the French army. Marshal Sault had - shot an Odicer for b e i ng gu ilty O f plunder ; and in the Portuguese. service, the punishment was more severe than its the British, beyond all comparison. The Hon. Colonel concluded with declaring it to be impos sible to preserve discipline in regiments on foreign service, ,and - Particularly•in the cavalry, without this System of punishment. . Colonel-Woon had only to observe, in reference to flue 10th Hussars . , that he was informed that regiment was now in such perfect condition, as to be partienlarli complimented by the Earl of th *bridge, and pronounced by him superior to ltis own regiment, the 7th, whith he had studied to bring to the highest possible perfection:, Ile de nied that it was a fair calculation to multiply the number of punishments in the Hon. Mover's cases, by the namber of regiments in the service, as in litany regiments - such pnujshments were very rare. He saw no danger in trusting to the discretion of Commanding. Officers, whose feelings were , as merciful and I - mina:4e as those of any other men, and saw no great alleviation of severity or suffer ing in abolishing corporal punishme::A, when the punishment of death must in a variety of cases, as that of mutiny, be substituted for it. Military men who had 'served abroad, were the only judges of this question, and such glowing and pathetic descriptions, as those of the lion. Mover, : , Were likely to have a very injurious effect upon the mind of the army. • ' • • Colonel Piss:v.(l;Am thought this a question Of great delicacy and danger. it was hurl! to.-draw the line between civil independence and military insubordination. He believed corporal puitish -1""ts had become less frequent, not frOtn• tiny orders that had. been issued by the Commander in Chief, but from the discretion, good cOnducr, and example of commanding officers abroad. 1-le de nied that there was any analogy between-the artny and navy; and as to the example of the French army, he would ask, Was it for the conquerors. of Vittoria, of which glorious battle the anniversary will this day, to take an examplelioln the French ? He trusted that news. would soon arrive Of a Ito:- ther practical and glorious a rgwitent agaizisye'tt ing up the French army as a Model to be impli citly followed by the British. . Sir. VV. SMITA ‘riSlie.d the total abolition of a punishment already exploded in many of our public schools, and which must always degenerate mild disgrace its &jeer. He had no doubt thinking men (if any then going into the army eoultl be snpposed to think) must be distoitraged from en 7 tering the ranks by tlte liability to , this degrading lAttelslitn,en,t,; and Ow , ci t.i . i kennets, hr. NTotild hare .thr OfTirell : get an examnie to Om men hy their a!t,ti , iettee frfini - tlie !piffle ; btit ifi in ; ; dill: he I . Vtlatt'VCr tycll tits GifiCer3 OP the liit..;ll -- Araly at the pfe . beitt !day. A Member, 'Ailiiisestiartie ate c 6,11,- hot_ le":11 . rt, thi• tli•gratt..i:io , i of awl cx.- 111)cti 9 11 or 311 orothiced iii a yoniig . iwrson, by being ernploye , .(l to iiiiiict this shocking iiiish• 'thew, , . Lord PALNIERSI'On •said the' nractice ..6f r the at•ln`y, and order of t . iie Corinna - inlet% in Chi..f, - ) Kcl already greatly etnitriblited pitilishinefit less fregtient. wa , • - ev . c.ty Ills pnsitiOtt op`quA . t‘ters to dimpenSe With• i+ tfs possible; and to-The operation"OtHheSe causes, already - Hui sensibly felt,' he thought it iboitin be left'4.t he House. 'rite military code tyonlit bc - ScarCely less Sangitinary, as et:4)nd! imilislithenr. must .neCk!ssarily 'be sUbstituted in • many: cases, and circninstanCes - might occur at ituiiie,:as- te hellion or insurrection, which IyOnld render c or ! . perat'punlslithent as necessarry as in foreign-ser vice. Other'inods•of• ptinishineht were •stibsti tilted as far, as • possible : bitt total - abolition 11* cdrisidered wholly inadmisSible. .- limit s h proposition ouli lt he fore .iese to. that excessive 'severity which - at present was. withobt limit. He was certainly a warm friend to the principle advocated by the Hon. Mover; he' had at 'a former period - endeaVoured tO'intro. duce the piinciple of linsiiing the puniShttient of flogginglaY•a clause in the Mutiny . Bill. it was consistent with the Coirs'titutioir th:ir tbere should, be some limit to a ponishmentrwirich, in. many cases,' nature could not - sust'lie. It had, hereto fore, been' the practice to condemn men fo severe punishment, 'and because they' could not support the whole ofahose punish-ments at - once, they re ceived the' at different times, as it were, 'by in.. stalthents. This: shocking - practice, • it appeared, was now discontinued. Certainty, the -present Commander in Chief had made -great'andsincere exertions to abolish' flogging as far t - t 3 lie 'could ; 'but there might come - a Commande,r iu Chief of a different '-Character, •and what was - wanted was a legislative enactment to regulate and - limit the' punishment of flogging. Thoie'siho..voted 'against the •motiOn, must be • prepared to say, That there should he no litnitation to military punishment. ile was certainly happy th a t the subject .had-again come under consideration, as fact's must 'convince - every -one that fornier dis cussions of the question had produced inore'ketod iliait almost 'almost any other that had eaerlakers place in the Honse. The Hon. and - Learned Gen• tleman'then adverted to whdt had been sankts to the presence of a satgeon•during military punish.. Ment ; bur this, 'so far'fivat being a proof of le. nity was actually demonstrative of cruelty. .Fur what wars the sturgeon there i but, to - ascerrAin lento much torture the syretehetrvictim conic! bear without' its Occasioning his death. As to the na. lure of the limitAtion, that was to'he considered hereafter. For his part he thought the giebtest nutaber of lashes should not exretal one hunttred ; other Gentlemen might think a greater monner necessary, hilt he hoped they .would all aL . ree the principle ; and that even the Noble Lino (p.a. merstoo) would so far agree ith oim, oc tuoret consideration; - a's to allow the Bill 'at least to be brought in. . MANNERS .SUTTTT said-, whatever might bas the statement's or argumeats 'of Hun- Gentlemen, the. proposition submitted to the 1101n.' 'was a plan t.o abolish flogging as a military at home, and to limit .icabroad ; whether or not those Hon. Members believed in the neeessity of the measure, they mtvit : at least .lic'kpow ledge • that the prop.,sed_. alteration ..vas a most important one. For the lastotheer years corporal pimishments had been graclualtand grearly (le aning. -.A clause had heel) • iutrodueed into the Mutiny Bill, allowing. of imprisonment and in many instances this clause hail been made available. in' the. last year there had beets laid before, the Priiree Regent ,reports of only sixty-four General Coarts-Marti 11, on non-vom missioned officers and privates ; of thebe 19 were abroad, and 43 , 4 home ; in, seven cases ,only was the sentence. flogging ; two of tho.:e w e re re nutted, and in five the punishment was inflict ed. It certainly was in contemplation still fur ther to diminish corporal punishurent. His Noble Friend had - introduced into the Mutiny Bill, a clause to deprive. soldiers of an increase of pay as .a punishment, and Allis would come in ; and of corporal infliction, a great change its the . system, was working its way, awl .no doubt, ac complish_its end better than by direct enactment. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman had pro posers to limit t!te punishment of offenders to an hundred lashes ; if this were to he the case, the systeal would retain all the odium of its character, and at the same rime tell the efficiency of its operation. •Wirb regard to, taking out men to receive a §econd part of a sentence, lie had no (tomb( that it was illegal ; and an otti,:er of great merit, for this.act, hail been brought to a court martial and cashiered' for it ; • nor could any merit or soliei6tions obtain his. reinstatement. The'Right Hon. Gentleman adduced many aro mentspgainst the proposed Bill, and said he bad this leading objection to the measure, that it would Introduce the inconvenience of having one law for Off troops abroad, and another for them when at home. under all these circumstances, he would oppose, the Bill. • ' Mr.-Fon:3n said, he Tvvis in favour of . the pro. posed measure ; from the experience of. twenty years in -India, he could.. say, that in those regi ments where there was most fogging (litre was least real aliscipline. The •Hon. Member adverted to ti practice which formerly prevailed, of letting out grot: shops for the I)cm-fit of the COnlnotn.k • ing Officirs• of garrisons. and afterward!: , of ni 7 .hilig the men for that drunkenntss which had be'en etscoaraged. Mr. A. Roanasos said, since the year 1786 the practice alluded to by the Hon. (icnticnnto (Mr. , Forba,) relative , tirthe disposal of grog shops itt hurl been put a stop TO. FOrBES eplaitted. Sir F. Busr37. - . - r co ! tii) not consent to give rr tie leaf cute upon so interesting a question. -He ervun w . h oe vur much lie ielt obli s' geit to his lion. forbrinef.ipg forward the , nbject, y, tart r,. is late lietiOd of the Sessiou I nccooler-u7: hot* cleat