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ro;tietl to Itim, to the office of the Home Depart- I tmrst. lie was certainly not satis fi ed with that I Otterminasion. SeverJl of the deponents were pstsons not at all implicated in the late tran sactions.; and their evidence was in his opinion, fo!:y suullicient to convict the person io question. idi, ho,veker, he had been told in another tisistr ter, soar it was not so, although the depositions contained matter, which, of course, lie had not conumun:cated to the House, but which would make them slito!der if they heard it. The impres sion on his mind certainly was, that the accused person should he sal,en up. Ile took it for grant ed that sh..: Gentlemen opposite knew white that person ‘vas ti be found, and that he could not e:icape. Havisr4 him in their possession—hav ing it in their po , ,cr to IP iog him Jorward, he (Vitt. alderman Wood) thought they ought imme diauely to. do so. He (1 2 ,u1wart!) was charged 'visit tieing the sole promoter of the treasonable con,piracv which had been formed. It was dteiared to he his practice - to lay hold of all the desperate characters whom he could find, and to bring them into his diabolieal pracsics , s. He (Mr. Aldeurnan Wood) thought he could safely pledge hini•elt to prove by indisputable e vidence that Edwasits was the sole plotter and founder os the Ca , o• sin et conspiracy. He had discharged his (Ito y by bringi,g the subject under the consi derat'on of t House. Aftt r what had fallen from thr Ilouourable Gentleman, he should cer tainiy be dispused to withdraw his motion, al thou;:li lie was not prepared to propose any other course of pi:oceeding. ties HumE , eontled the motion of his H u n, f• lend. When A.linisters retoied to notice an ap pii a'ion like that lie described, it was time, he tho,,ght, to . 4 , p , 4 1 to t h at house, as the lsiSt re source I a l prayed, not by one deposition, but by he depuusitious of many persons, that this man men• trout los. , sy to house, with grenades and o: tier tiulngs, directly inciting people to join in his diab,sl;c-1 plaits ; and that one man, by the 1:11t . of (Thianib tie.had directly urged to mur der his . - I:sjesty's also appeared that h e ; Ist nu money, and shortly atter ar..s as at, flash as to supply his associates. 011 i,iutg \,.ocOd conic ow . its an isuquiry before that !louse, VIZ. who bad supplitd hint with that money. That could not be learnt in a Court of Lair-. By the interference of the House, he would be p,evebted Irons le:cing the country before smur means had hurts taken for ascertaining the trittL—(!7iev:r,-,I cries of " Question !") Mr. li:zoilGup.m said, he should recommend the worthy Al , itiman to withdraw his ;notion. fie however, I , y no meat S inclined to join in the enprcssion of levity which, to his surprise, h-.d ken crrAled forth by the .4rave and serious s:alcinenis of the worthy Alderman. He was not di,posed to say that the present was a tit imtuer to he discitssed under the view of a bleacti of privilege. But 'it he were asked if it were not a great and gross breach of privilege wh , eh had been comtnitted by the individual mimed. he should say, yes ; because he was as nowt) convioeed of it us he was of his own cite. And it be were not nisposed to treat it as such, it was because he thoughvit ten thousand times. wore. lie nor at all ready to join in the at ttrin,t to throw ridicule On tike worthy Alderman for `the manuel in which he had come forward' itit this in eliigente. Because it was not right view it as it bread) of privilege, did it follow tint , 1. was nwhing to come in and attack the whok 11. inst-, at a time too when it was fullest Good Goo ! where were they ? When hand grcn:we„ coupled W i t h oilier arms, were to be earned to houses of Ministers, it became a grave !aatier, for which met) were to lose their lives. lint sod: a catastrophe was represented to impend over that Moose, the utmost impatience tea n t.fe,led, and the question was, how to get ;id of the discussion as soot as possible. He had seen lit' letter from the Home Department, which std c:f tat it AAS not thought proper to bring this to trial HI , . (Mr. Bioughilm) thought that lie oagh! io be tined for High '('reason. He did not think that tie was the sole promoter of the late plot—lie thought many whets were impli cated in it. He looked upon hind as a spy who bad goue beyonal his instructions. Ile wished it t o he particularly tinderstood, that he did not joiu in the outcry so foolishly raised in some quarters, against the employlpent of spies—he did no t blame the Government for employing this man in that capacity—hc did not blame them for acting uo b s information; nor did he blame them for not caiiiag him as a witness, nor because they did not prisecone burn. ‘Vhen such men as Thistlewood existed in a state, it was necessary for those at the head of affairs to employ such men as Ed wards. The last minister of justice—the hang man—though an odk!s, was yet a necessary ap pendage to the administration of the State ; and no one could consistently blame a Government for the employment of such characters as Ed wards, who by parity of reasoning were not pre pared to deny the necessity of that last minister of justice. But those who had to employ them had a most delicate, serious, and difficult task to perform ; it was their business to inform,' but not to instigate. Lie hoped, thetefore, that he had sofficiently explained his sentiments on this sub je,-1, and that it was understood he did not blame the employment of spies. if it should appear that this tnsu Edwards hatl gone beyond his of fice, 'aod not only instigated those he was COM.- missioned to watch to the furtherance at their designs, but even formed a new one, he consider ed he was most highly amenable to the interfer ence of the laws. ; —(l. - lear.) Mr. CANNING SUld, that whatever might be the uhitmite decision of the Howse on the subject, whether they would determine on enterin, , -; into the investigation of it or not, ibere was one point on f:ich a ll must agree, namely, tne inutility of di bc os s i n g it.at; a time, anti On a question, the decision of ivhich could lead to no satisfactory re sult. The Llonwitable and Learned Gentletrom se'-uteri to have collected what he (Mr. Canning) ttas sore the [mouse had not—tbat there was a eit . position On the part of so In t 4 Honourable Aleut- Irrs.: to treat the whole atlair wi!b levity and . 119!4y be had not seen any such dis position. He ,vas sure that no such disposition -:- hid been manifested, ei , her by himself or his Ho uow able Friends about him. .As little Could he plead guill (0 the other charge, 01 a pre-eiTosi lion to accuse the Honourable and Learned Gen tleman of joining the popular cry against in tormels—a subject on which the Honourable and Learned Gentleman had just made the most jest and manly observations. He could apure the Honourable and Learned Gentleman,. that he ne ver entertained such a pre.disposition ; and if he had, it must have been entirely removed by the Honourable and Learned Gentleman's candid • statement of his opinion. On that statement, • without wishing to add a single word to'it, he was pettectly content rest tne defence, not only of the present or of ally particular Go vernment, but of all GovernMents that had ever existed in this or in any other civilised coun try, for taking the means which circumstances rendered necessary to defeat, by the prosti tution of wicked men, the plots of men as wicked. All that he rose for, was to submit to the Worthy Alderman, as the motion in its present shape could not be usefully discussed, Jbe expediency of not pressing it at the present time. It would be for the Worthy Alt4et man to consider whether or not be would bring the subject again before the House in some other form. On the expediency or inexpediency of such a proceeding, he (Mr. Canning) would not venture to offer any opinion. He only entreated the House not to enter into a discussion wholly unnecessary at the present mo ment, and from which no beneficial result could by possibility ensue. Mr. Alderman WOOD expressed his willingness to withdraw the motion. He hegged how ever 4 to say, that he thought, in the- manner in which he introduced ir, that be had avoided nov thing justly exceptionable. He bad abstained irons reading the deposition, tor he should be sotry that the dreadfld allegations ~vitielt it con tained should at present go forth to the world ; and he had therefore confined iumSelf to a descrip • (ion of that part of it which most neatly touched the House. At the present moment he was not prepared to bring the motion forward in another shape, but lie thought he shorli do s o in the course of a day or twb, and that be I I I snott.t. move for the appointment ut a Secret patnutittee to investigate the case. Mr. CANNING disclain►ed any intention of im puting - the slightest blame to the Worthy Alder man. He uertaitily disagreed with the Worthy Alderman as to theexnediency of his motion, but he saw nothing whatever to criticise it► the wanner in which it had been bronght forward. The notion was then wi!hdrawn. CIVIL LIST. On the motion of t(); CHANCELLOR of the Ex- CHEQUER. the House resolved itself into a Cu►►►- mitiee at Supply. The CHANCELLOR of the ExcnEatiEft then rose, a►ndl proposed the following Retolutions That a Supply be granted to his Majesty, in order to enable him to uphold the dignity of his Majesty's Household during his lifetime, at the annual rate of 850,0001. That a further sum of 9.07,0001. be granted at the same time for a similar purpose, in that part of the United Kingdom called Ireland. The third Resolution was to be — charged on the Consoli dated Fund. Sir H. I'AnNELL objected to the Resolution, On the ground, that it being a very large sum, the House should have some notice or explanation of the expenditure. In the present embarrassed stare of our finances, the House ought to requite the minutest calculations and items, before it con sented to vote away sums, particularly large sums. The state of the revenues of the Crown required to be investigated, and the Report of the Com- . mince justified bin; in this remark. The CIJANCELLGR of the ENCEISQUER denied that the Resolutions came before the House by surprise, for the mode he proposed Was justified by the practice of the House. He might state also, that the subject of the Resolution under went a long discussion three years ago, a n d t h at the present Estimates had . been formed upon the arrangement which took place at that time. Colonel- Davis stated two sums of money be longing to the Crown not comprised in 'these Eitimates. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQURR stated, that these sums were comprised in the Estimates. in point of tact, the regulation before the Com mittee merely confirmed the arrangement of the Act of the 56th of the late King. Colonel DAVIS said, .that the fact of his being in error only showed that the House ought to have longer time for preparing themselves on the question. Mr. CANNING observed, that his Hon. Friend near him had, for the purpose of accommodating the other side of the House, consented to postpone the debate ❑pon the principle of the measure, to the period of bringing up ►he Report. How ever, if Gentlemen chose to debate the question, they might do so without piejudice to the future discussion. Mr. TIERNEY acknowledged that he was privy to this arrangement, and tvas resolved to abide by it. He wished to know from the Right lion. Gentleman if the Civil List of 1816, as nothing was taken from it but the item for the Household of his late Majesty, his Privy Purse, and be (Mr. T.) presumed the salary to the Custos, would be of the same amount as that about to be proposed, making allowance for the deductions. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the total raving to the public would be 130,0001. with some temporary charges for servants, &c. Mr. TIERNEY asked, if in the sum wliNi re mained after these deductions, 60,0001. a year to the Queen was included ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the provision for her Majesty was charged upon the Consolidated Fund, and not on the Civil List. Mr. FlustussoN observed, anitt an Act of Par liament had passed after the death of the late Queen, which reduced the Civil 'List by the ex tent of her provision. Lord A. HAMILTON expressed his opinion of the nature of the Civil List, and seemed unwilling to come into the understanding presumed to exist between the two sides of the House, lest by agreeing to the Resolutions now proposed he should be excluded from adducing sCVtlal argu ments which he wished to state, on his view of the subject, on the Report. He MIS also anxious to be put in possession of the 'whole views of 'Mi nisters on the question, beterc he entered jut:, detailed parts, suds as he conceived must 1 come under debate before the subject was hi ought to an end. One point in particular stood in tins predicament ; he alluded to the pro vision for the Queen, the manner of making which must undergo Parliamentary inquiry. Her income had ceased, and its. renewal must obtain their consideration. Neither would he allow the past conduct of Ministers to pass without remarks, and he was afraid that lie should he precluded from doing so by the present arrangements.--(A cry of No, no !)—The Noble Lord concluded by saying that he would acquiesce in the opinion of the House, and not oppose the vote now. Mr. CANNING observed, that in point of form, of sense, and of understanding, the whole sub ject, and every part of it, would be as open for discussion on the Report as now. The Noble Lord was certainly right in thinking that the pre sent stage worded oat orally have been that at which his Right Hon. Friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) should have developed the whole business; but it must be recollected that his not doing so did not originate with him ; it was upon an application to Government to take the debate on the Report that he had already altered his course, and it was hard to turn round upon him for this act of courtesy and condescension, and censure him for what he had given up to their own request. It would be hard too, to refuse the vote on that account. There was no wise he was sure on either side to take any ,H!vautage, and in deed none could be taken, for the question would he open for diseusiioo in many stages, both its principle and details ; and if the resolutions were ultimately approved of, Bills would neee , sar ily b e brought iii, which would add still further opportu nities for debate. Lord ARCHIBALD HAMILTON and. Mr. VANSIT TART severally explained. Mr. Home refused to concur in the understand ing bet tveen the two parties ift the House, and proceeded to accuse Ministers of extravagance, instead of economy, in regard to the Civil List. By taking the estimate of 1816, they took that of a year of the grossest expense; and when the difference of the value of money was reckoned, they were calling on Parliament , to vote not merely 850 : 0001., but a million a year. Ile wished for further information before he consented to go on. He wanted to know the disposition of the Here ditary Revenue from Scotland, amounting to 80 or 90,0001. per annum ; of the 4-1 per Cents. ; of Gibraltar and other Colonies ; and contended that it was inconsistent with the Speech front the Throne to ask the amount now demanded from the House. On the contrary, Ministers ought to retrench the Royal expenditure, and reduce the salaries of all Public Servants, otherwise, in the state of our finances, they must from year to year add to the National Debt. He held that the Civil Government of the country was too dear, and supported at too great an expense. Like a bank rupt individual, rather than continue the same extravagance, we ought to begin with retrench. the items most within our power, such as those he had designated. Sir H. PA RN ELL expressed a wish that the re port should be recommitted, as the form of a Com mittee was best calculated for the discUssion of finance questions of great extent, and involving many considerations. He had also hoped for further accounts respecting the hereditary reve nue, and that they might have been retetred to a Select Committee. Mr. BROUGHAM agreed that the former sug gestion might be expedient, but felt bound by the understanding that had been agreed upon, not to press any alteration upon the Right Hon. Chan cellor. He also joined in protesting against the vote of this night being construed into a bar against any branch into which the discussion, when it arrived, might turn. He considered it as merely pro forma, to put members id possession of the Resolutions. After a few words from Sir JOHN NEWPORT, the Resolutions were put and agreed to, and the Report ordered to be taken into consideration on Friday. SUPPLY, &c. The Report of the Committee of Supply was received and agreed to. Mr. LUSHINGTON moved for leave to present, and afterwards presented, copies of the Reports of the Commissioners of the Customs to tie Trea sury, and their Lordships' notes thereupon ; an account of the Revenue for the last year, an ac count of the new ditties, an account of Exche quer bills, and other public accounts. On the Motion of Mr. 'Hums, accounts, to show the amount and state of the National Debt on the sth JannarylB2o, were ordered. The Honoura ble Gentleman and Sir H. PARNELL severally gave notices of motions for to-morrow, which were inaudible in the gallery. Various Navy and other Estimate 4 for the en suing year were ordered to be laid before the House. Also (on the motion of Mr. WILSON), accounts of duties on Wool, and on the exports of woollen manufactures for several years past, in order to show the state • of that trade.— Adjourned. CITY 13USINESS.—The LORD MAYOR held Court of Aldermen yesterday, at Guildhall, for general business. His Majesty having been pleased to grant a new commission for the conservation of the river Thames and waters of Medway, within the City's jurisdiction, the Lord Mayor ap pointed Courts of Conservancy to be holden for Essex and Kent on the 12th instant, and for Sin rey and Middlesex on the Ist of June next. Precepts were directed to be issued to the several Livery Companies for a Common Hall on Mid summer-day next, for the election of Sherds, Chamberlain, firidgemasters, and other Officers, annually chosen on that day. IMPORTANT CAUTION TO PEMALRS.—A young Lady in France had the fatal habit of cleaning her ears with pins. A trifling humour was the result, which terminated lately in a cancer. The brass and quicksilver used in the preparation of pins may easily account for this circumstance, and which renders them so very pernicious to the teeth when used as tooth•picks.—(Yoik Herald.) A,gun-wharf is immediately to be formed in the dock-yard at Sh :erness, and the range of build ings, six stories high, neatly fronting the paiade, tit present occupied by artificers belonging to the yard, it to be couve.rtd into bturi4s. LAW INTELLIGENCE. COURT OF CHANCERY, MAY 2. The LORD CHANCELLOR came into Court at half-psst ten o'clock. PIRACY. HUGHES V. WATTS. Mr. RAITEIBY moved tor an injunction to re.i strain the defendant from printing and publishing' a book which be bad pirated from a publicitio?t of the plaintiff, under the following circumstatio-s: The plaintiff in the year 1818 published a book, entitled "The Water Itinerary, or a Voyage. London to Margate in the Stelin-Yacht." The defendant bad lately published his book, en titled " The Aquatic Itinerary," &c , the clptt part of which was copied from the work of the . plaintiff. He therefore trusted that his Lordship - would.grant the injunction. front The .LosbCHANCRLLOR.—Take the inj,inction to restrain the defendant from publishing. any thing in his book which is contained in pmts. I cannot restrain him front publishing any thing that is not pirated.- 7 -Motion ;_.lranted. PRIVATE lIRARING. Mr. SPENCE requested that hiS Lordship won!d allow a Petition that related to au infant to gaud . for 6attirday, and that he would please :o ..ear it in. hit private T 0011), as it was under very pe:Adiar circumstances, in which the public had no lilted' rest. The LORD CHANCELLOR. —Let it be psil in the paper. for Saturday. As to hearing it 111 tbv 1)11.. cate room, 'hat does not rest with me. I ail ?he parties comp :tit to tl:a ,morbe, I eaooot ,bj. et bytt it is necessary for we to have that cotAscht. COURT OF KING'S BENCH, stay 2. THE KING V. HUNT AND OT.: Fll9 The Court, according to .apuoint melt, heart) the continuation of a , rcitki ettt which, Mr. Justice BAYLEY proreeth-d about 11 o'clock ro read the evidence in the Ki , !g v I-7 tit and 0 hers. At two o'clock the Cour; fur!her . proreedings until to-morrow. The Re port is not yet concluded, Mr. Hunt stated to their Lordships, that in ad dition to the grounds of objection which he hail before urged, he now wished to state another. Thiq was, that the evidence of th e i n s c ripti on • o n the flags oit4hc not to hive been received He re,- ferred Mr. Justice Bayley to that part of Morton's evidence where it was to be limn& ChiefJostiee BROTT-" Well, I liave put down this objection in addition to the rest" COURT OP CONInON N:EAS, MAY Q. Mr. Serjeant VAUGUAN rose to show eaarse against a rule which had been of .ained on a tor mer day by Mr. Serjeant BLossETT, the object of which was to take off the file of the Court, for some irregularity in the endorsement, the pro. , ceedings commenced against the Warden of the Fleet, for suffering the escape of Robert Christie Burton, Esq. from his custody. This Gewie man, our readers will recollect, was a Member of the House of Commons in the last Parliament, and was discharged by the Warden, under the 11 " thority of the Speaker's order. The Court, to consideration that the point was nett, arising as it did out of the Act of 59th Geo. 111. by which the practice of that Court was altered, took time to consider before they gave a decision Op tha subject. OLD BAILEY SESSIONS. Yesterday John Robinson, alias Thowas 'nutter, aged c6i, was capitally indicted for feloniously uttering various forged If. notes, with intent to defraud the Governor and Coussany of 'l.llu Ban!: of Englnuct—Gefilty. FINING A JGROTt.-1-Filliana fironkcs was put to the bar upon an indictment, which charged him with having uttered, linowing to he forged, a 11. and a si. forged note, with intent to defraud, &c. Mr. Serjeant BOSANQUET was about to open the case, wbea some of the Jury requested to be permitted to withdraw. Se veral of them accordingly withdrew, and shortly afterwards all but WIC returned to :he box The absent Juryman was sent for, and found at home, and he was hoed 201. The Jury found the prisoner Guilty—Death. William Henry Stanford, a genteelly dressed young many not quite 20 years of age, was capitAlly indicted for uttering a 101. note, purporting to be of the Bank of England, kitbag-- log the same to be forged. The Jury found bins Guilty—Death—but recommended him to ►atercy, on the score of extreme youth. COURSE OF EXCHANGE, MAY 2. Amsterdam Ditto, at Sight ll 10 Rotterdam l. 3 Antwerp l2 5 Hamburgh 36 9 24 fls Altona Paris, 3 Day's sight 25 50 0 Us. Ditto Pourdeaux, ditto Frankfort on the Main Madrid Cadiz Bilboa . . 34j Effecting 'Seville Gibraltar Barcelona Leghorn Genoa 441-Venice, Ital. Liv. 27 60 Malta 46 -Naples 391 Palermo Lisbon Oporto Rio Janeiro Dublin 9i Cork 91 per Cent. BULLION Portugal Gold, in Coin.. I.O 0 0 peragf f Foreign Gold, in Bars 3 17.10 f i New Doubloons New Dollars 0 4 it Silver in Bars, Standard 05 g . _ BIRTHS. On the tPth of April, at Chilston Park, Kent, the Lady o f Thomas F. Best, Esq. of a daughter. On Monday last, the Lady of Captain Lake, of Lower Cout V House, near Tewksbury, of a son. - . MARRIED. On the 2,d of February last, at Rio Janeiro, Charles to Esq. to Emma, eldest daughter of William Young-, Esq. DIED. On Saturday, the 29th ultieno, Robert Pennington , '` voungest son of George Henry Erecting, Esq. of the G ene Post Office. f - • On the 29th of April, at his seat at Fairleig - h, neat stone, William Phelp Perrin, Esq. in the 7 8 th year of age. On the 22d of March, at Offord, Hunts, Thomas Sisrr ieYl Esq. aged 67. es; O LONDN: Printed hy J. B. CARSTAIRS, of No. 2.91 , ( i. 4r Ormond-street, Queen-square; and pnblished 14V SCRIPPS, of No. 7, South Molton-street, at 'fit! , e(q Office, No. 112, Strand ; where Advcltisernents, u r " Lctt.trs i bo, (post-paid) most beaddressed. ( N, ~-~ H, • n Fri() Writ on, cf the s drone[, T4ir .Ten than c2iit 'Nes int o '2r/re ( One tnE to he ( 7 atVli s te:ct, 7`ite tre! a ). for , L: Z~PYi 4 4 all J littrer ' l ay) the 7 elver I Ti their a tripe PtY re7u6 the u -teriWer Port, the Cerni que ghat the I itcr, whe the e