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To elf glOtl [ lreslC - of reaioP Wald -crop' tho f%E otaDi o alo l. l igh t 11 ; ratifr rs' f dies ° re pa natPd t l 311° pathW (A. 90, IS r FOR THE SUN. AFFAIRS OF IRELAND. A , 9 bat"' , 15 fis_.„ l4 p 5 but t ' ny , N Ste: 0 O' stop, Or earilalf 1m lb° c, fP OII eaLO44 ri I w s , g, 00 glriaat Gre 'o' bo y/ 1 p v eaish h iPg° ,d eta ofor& 113 114 / 1 $ i en ce f Ln d nageP an a 1r0g 44 600° 10511 'xs- --- 0 this ' TO TuE RIGHT HON. JOHN FORSTER, Lett Speaker of the Irish !louse of Omnibus, and M. I'. for tit* County of Louth. 511 1 1 ---.1 am well aware that an apology is ne catilary for the liberty I take in addressing a G est.tletrnan to whom I have had no previous in troduction ; but as I do not know of any person ' w ho has the interest of Ireland more at heart tha n Yoicrself, and few there are, if any, who h tre been of greater service to this country, I Pte l'atzte my selection of you to communicate my 14 " 4 ott the affairs of I re l an d w ill no t b e consi ,lZereti inapt ; and being just re t urne d f rom ma k- I g the tou r o f th e N or th o f th at C ountry, a f ter mal ing at an early period of my life made that of th ° Continent of Europe with great advantage, I 441 rree to confess that my heart has been "rang, and my tears have flowed apace, at ob aerring. the great poverty, deep distress, and wretchedness of the lower orders of the People 15 i t the Sist er I s l an d, f or w hi c h G OD an d N ature 4 44 0 done so much. The immense number of beings, male and female, with rags at tikehed to their bodies, for I cannot with pro- M ety denominate it cloathing, as in many, very 411 ILY instances, they were not sufficient to cover tit* nakedness—what miserable huts called clitt lins, to shelter them from the pittiless storm, 44 , (I even in th e commerc i a l, e l egan t, an d °pa il" tow n of Belfast, at the Lancastrian School, retch contains fi ve hundred boys and two hun -1,7d girls, and which appears to be extrem e ly d ell conducted, not more than seven of the chil dr had sho e s and st o cki ngs . I s thi s th e s t a t e Nii reland in the nineteenth century ? Deny it h ° C an. Having a fe e ling hea r t, an d w i s hi ng to sirornote the happiness of mankind, as f a r as t e l imited sph ere o f action will admit, I natu tkilY inquire of my own mind, how can these t Ogs be remedied? and it appears to tue that di t hree things which I now (through the me the'4l,,of thi s Add ress to you, Si r, ) recommen d to au Public., are lik e ly t o con t r ib u t e . Th e fi rs t pro Princip a l i s a l arge I ncome T ax on t h e tl Iterty in Ireland of those Noblemen and Gen 4eu of th e ki ng d om w h o reside out of it for 7 4.. 'e th an t h ree months in one year, the pro thereof to ac t as a P oors ' R a t e , t o b e - Lei k ied amongst th e i n di gen t, ac c or di ng to th ° , p respecti ve claims, subject to the decision of d o rivY Council upon appeal. Of course, I ktt n ot mean this tax to attach to those persons t r : t il ling their duties in Parliament in the me -1,,,,0tnis of the British Empire. How the other e l ,„,. *l tts can reconcile it to their consciences to ' i d the hard earnings of their tenants and de dentsPfiti sikt. in other countries, I know not ; and, to 4 , 1 the least of them, they are not of that con is r en. ce in London or Paris as others. Far be 11t;„, Pe to make any reflection on the Nobi th;t—tlr G entry of Ireland, being well convinced Pr o d llp le is no country under Heaven that has of great er men i n t h e p resen t age, many ou o' no lo Will readily occur to the reader, with dge,enutnerating them here, or which has pro -11147 person s of greater hospitality, goodness p 4, warmth of heart ; but what! wish to impress It oq t d ei r mind s , i s t h e greater consequence t h ey N 001 3 41 deri ve f rom living amongst their own hep o e ; and I entreat them to consider the great .4 14 sihility they are under for the goods of for that w -1- :_ k vine Provid e nc e h a s comm itt e d t o th em , *hi tt 'lett they arr i ve a t t h a t aw f u l h our , to (tr ek , ' : the wh o l e h uman race i s rap id ly ten di ng, t he o eti by the bad, but a r d en tly w i s h e d f or by liel it e ' (4 l, they may expect to receive that blessed l ery ' ce ) " \Veil don e , tho u goo d an d f a ithf u l Ao d enter thou into the joy of thy LORD."— Ittp4,llideed, what metropolis in the world is r egim. d ic ' r t to Dublin, except London ? And, with 1 2%, 1 ., ° a view of public buildings, there are 'hat " the Universe superior, or even equal, to Norr4l Carlisle Bridge, where you have the 111-house Bonding Warehouse, Post-o ffi ce, w ows ,„, The, war, Rotunda, Four Courts, National t,ollege, Bridges , &c. &c. tick" °ter measure I recommend is the aboli -111 PI! T lf"der: renantry, without which the Peo- Nkt I reland must continue to labour under Rr L 1l isadvantage however, this is a subject so Ll N t i 11° w 1 1, that I need not detain you on that f 4114 I know not of any thing that would be kr., eat er s • ervice to the property of Gentlemen of ‘t scit'" s .. at atid ed estates in this Country than planting. 1 0e/ N h 6 p 8 for lam convinced, from the luxe rsto of the soil, and the timber I have ob -14:11 N,:ilii4r,,ticularly the beauty of the Mountain r e to 48 red berries, timber might be raised I u o , gre at advantage. t hei e c° 'ne to my last recommendation, and ur : Is t; for f ew G en tl emen w h o ma k e th e 41 4 ch th e 'eland b ut must have observe d h ow zed e wer classes of the people are demo ii,,ll°rWoat"' ;lie excessi ve use o f s pi r it uous li quors , .1 1 , tnad e e tt W n Whiskey. E very exert i o should of 114 teb e e of to prevent this excess, reducing q t . 'Ni t 1 . 1 of licences, and encouraging the use I tAk I tli • ‘t t Ic) rs) which are excellent here : for I tt i Porte r I meet with in Dublin is far r to 4 tr• that in London; a more wholesome ; tle ti g t beniew " 4 'n -18-Add beverage cannot be resorted to. 'N A Gre ss to the Public, through the me- A i 111 in th )r e ° resp ec t a bl e nam e (b e in g ver y Raba of communicating my ideas on ly kt l / 4 1 °4 .s to 'Gentlem en i n hi g h o ffi cial si in t. ~:Jezi,fi, {bland) -v. should b e p ro d uc ti ve o f s i :° , :ti st e t ° Irish N at i on , w h ose prosper i ty ht id , h e i h , rely (the best blood in my ) I shall be amply rewarded ; all have th e conso l at i on o f obtain ) Ifk, iaPprobac tJ( 4 , 4 11 , 0 ton of my o wn h ear t.—l h ave t b e with very great respect ) Sir ) 11,4uaria Obedient Servant ) g.21 ,1 ' 20 WM. HAILWOOD FOLLIOTT. SECOND EDITION. SLTN-OFFICE, Ila!f-Pa,st Five, HOUSE OF LORDS.-(THI EVE;TING Madame DUMONT was the last witness exa mined, and her examination which is considered of great importance, was not near finished at five o'clock, when the House rose. She deposed to the continually increasing familiarity between the PRINCESS and BERGAMI, and particularly to the greater freedom which ensued after the departure of Mr. BuRaELL, who was the las English person remaining with the PRINCESS (a the Ville d'Este); after this period the PRINCESS and the domestics frequently played at Blindman's Butf and other sports together; she also deposed to her frequently not having occasion to make the PRINCESS'S bed in the morning, it not hay, been slept in. The examination of Madame DUMONT, in cluding the cross-examination, will probably continue during the greater part of to-morrow morning. Miter* ire 3/19,0 r, fotsi crel jy3 tb lien 14 ved Llbiont er ellior Mad jf g il c THE ARMY. DUBLIN', AuG. 27.—The 77th Regiment have left Galway forllublin. On Wednesday the first division of the 57th Regiment, under the command of Captain Hunt, arrived in Limerick from Clonmel on a route to Galway. The 42d Highlanders replace the sth at Clonmel. The 86th Regiment is now at Northampton, from which place the detachment of the 19th Lancers quartered there, marched on Tuesday se'nnight, for Nottingham, the head quarters of the Regiment. On Sunday, the 20th, Lieut.-Col. Holmes, and the last division of the 3d Dragoon Guards ar rived at Donaghadee, and embarked next day for Portpatrick. HOP INTELLIGENCE. SOUTHWARK, AUG. 28.—We have had a dull Hop trade since our last, with the exception of two or three pretty good sales, which were made of bags on Friday and Saturday. Good bags are scarce, and in those sales which we allude to an advance in the price was certainly obtained. —The duty has been done to-day at 72, 75, and 78,0001. MAIDSTONE, AUG. 48.—The high winds of last week have caused much destruction in the Hop grounds both in Kent and Sussex, blow ing down the poles and bruising the Hops consi derably. The damage is supposed to have affect ed the Duty at least 10,0001. The weather al together has been exceedingly unfavourable for Hops ; the bad grounds, where there was fresh bine,are now gone quite bla.ck and cannot produce any. The Mailing grounds are allowed to be much the 'best in this neighbourhood, and a good half crop is expected there. The Weald of Kent and Sussex will, it is said, grow more than was at first imagined.—Duty stated from 70 to 80,0001. CORN-EXCHANGE, AUG. 30.--Although the supply of Wheat was small this morning, it was more than equal to the demand, having but few buyers at market, and what trifling sales were made were upon much the same terms as on Mon day ;. there have been considerable arrivals of Oats this week, and for which article the Trade was heavy at a decline of ls. ,per quarter from Monday's quotation in Barley, Beans, and Peas there is alteration. Yesterday, the Earl of WESTMORELAND gave a grand dinner, at his house in Grosvenor-square, to the Duke of Wellington, Duke of Beaufort, the Lord Chancellor, Earl of Shaftesbury, Lord Castlereagh, Lord Sidmouth, the Earl of Aber deen, Eal 1 of Winchilsea, the Duke of Mon trose, &c. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY gave a Grand Din ner on Saturday to his. Royal Highness the Duke of YORK and a large Party ; and on Monday the Noble Earl gave another Grand Dinner to a dis- anguished party of Noblemen and Gentlemen. WALLACK, who is said to be wonderfully im proved since he left Drury-lane Theatre for America, and JUNIUS BRUTUS BOOTH, are both engaged at the above house for the ensuing season. KEAN, after concluding his present engage ment, goes to Liverpool, where he will probably play a few evenings, and then embarke there for America. We were yesterday assured by a Gentleman just arrived from Paris, that the Police had dis covered that a sum of money, equal to three mil lions of francs, was circulating in the late con spiracy. --(Morning Chronicle.) Miss FcrEPIIENS commenced her engagement, on Monday last, at the Edinburgh Theatre, in the character of Polly in the Beggar's Opera, HORN is also engaged there, and was the Macheath of the evening. A Swedish frigate arrived in Leith Roads a few days ago, on a cruise, and sailed again on Tuesday. She has on board upwards of 50 boys, serving as cadets, and it is for the purpose of practising them in naval tactics that she has been sent on a cruise. PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS, TtiiiDAY, THE QUEEN. [Continuation of the Debate of Yesterday.] Some conversation ensued as to the mode in , which the question ought to be put, in which the Earl of LAUDERDALE, Earl GREY, Lord GREN VILLE, and the Loan CHANCELLOR took part, and ' which resulted in the LORD CHANCELLOR reading the motion of the Earl of LIVERPOOL, and Lord llmutowny stating, that the amend ment he moved was. " That after the word that,' be inserted that they are at liberty to cross-examine the witnesses after the examina tion in chief, as far as they may think proper, and that they are also at liberty to recall the witnesses at any future period, for the purpose of such further cross-examination as they think their case may require." The Earl of LAUDERDALE, 'now that he under stood the precise nature of the amendment, thought the House could not do otherwise than adopt the original motion. The Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack had stated it as his decided opinion, that the rule proposed would be a fatal blow to the administration of justice : with such an opinion from that great law authority, the House would not in his opinion do its duty, if it adopted the amendment without previously ascertaining the opinion of the Judges as to the effect it was calculated to produce on the future administration of justice in the Courts below. And he accordingly submitted a motion for the purpose of ascertaining that opinion.— (No, no ! Hear, hear !) The Earl of LI VERPOOL did not think that the rule which this House might adopt for the present case could at all affect proceedings in the Courts below. The Marquis of LANSDOWN concurred in opi nion with what had fallen from the Noble Earl who spoke last. He saw, as indeed all their Lordships must ere now have seen, the great dif ficulties with which they had to contend in the progress of this cause ; but still he could not consent to restrict the Counsel for the Queen pn their cross-examination, considering the igno rance in which they were kept respecting the witnesses. The exercise of that cross-examina tion should be vested in the Learned Counsel in a clear and unfettered manner, not contingent upon any circumstance. Such opinion made him approve of the Noble President's amended mo tion ; but in doing so he felt all the inconve niences that would result to the course of jus tice. If, however, his Noble and Learned Friend persevered in his motion, be certainly , should deem it his duty to support that proposi tion.—(Dear, 0 Lord LAUDERDALE said, he had still a most important proposition to submit to their Lord ships. The LORD CHANCELLOR then said, he appre hended the question now was, whether, iu addi tion to the former motion, the words " that is, that they cross-examine the witnesses now, as far as they have the means, and that they be suffered to cross-examine them again, when enabled from any further knowledge they may acquire," be added. After some conversation between Lords Grey, Lauderdale, Redesdale, Harrowby, Liverpool, Ellenborough, Grenville, and the Lord Chan cellor, as to the- mode in which the question should be put, Lord LAUDERDALE rose.-After having ascer tained the state of the question, he begged leave to move that the Judges be asked what would be the effect of the proposed course in the Courts of Law, as to the administration of justice.—(No, No! Order, Order !)—He was not proposing to ask the Judges what would be the effect of such a course in Parliament. He only wished to know what would be the effect of such a course in the Courts of Law. Lord LIVERPOOL objected to this question being put to the Judges ; first, because it did not bear on the question before the House ; and se condly, beortuse the practice of Courts of Law could not be so strictly assimilated to the practice of Parliament in this respect. For the express purpose of this course not being admitted as a precedent, his Lordship inserted the words, " under the peculiar circumstances." Lord REDESDALE objected to the original Amendment altogether, because he conceived it to be a course totally inconsistent with justice, and calculated to prevent the arrival of their Lordships at truth. These mischiefs were not the only objections to the proposed Amendment, for endless confusion would be the result. He thought it would be highly dangerous to put on the Journals of the House any innovation of the general rules founded ou special circumstances. Cries of cc Question, Question!" now proceed ed from all parts of the House. The origi na l amen d men t was p u t as f o ll ows That the C ounse l b e ca ll e d in an d i n f orme d , t h at under the special circumstances of the case, the House will consent to the Counsel for the Queen, proceeding in their cross-exa mination of the witn e sses in the mann e r th e y p ropose d . " On this Amendment the House divided— Contents Non-contents Majority -15 When strangers Were re-admitted, we found Lord EasKINE addressing the House. After a short preface, he moved, that the House d o forth with adjourn, to afford time for the Queen to prepare for her defence ; and that a li s t o f the remaining witnesses against her, and a specifica tion of the times and places to which the remain ing testimony was to apply, should be furnished to her. lie apprehended none of the difficulties would then arise, which had been found to arise daily, and the case might proceed without any interruption, for all the witnesses were now here. Lord LAUDERDALE moved, that the motion of Lord Erskine, formerly put, should be erased from the Journals, as inconsistent with the pre sent motion. Lord ERSKINE said he had no objection to hat. The LOUD CHANCELLOR spoke to order. L'rd Erskine's former motion for a list of wit nesses was now read from the Journals. Lord LAUDERDALE remarked, that it was in consistent with the Noble Lord's general con duet, for him not to have made this motion until after four hours' debate. Lord Ensxpvt did not think there was any.in-. consistency in the line of conduct he had pursued. He certainly thought the present proposition was more advantageous -to the Queen than the last . proposition which had been carried, but that Was no reason why he should not vote for the last proposition. He concluded by repeating his motion. Earl BATHURST observed, that the present mo tion was, in fact, one which had been already negatived ; and, in his opinion, stronger objec tions applied to it now than before. What was the House asked to do ? Why to stop the prose cution now, and give in a list of witnesses, fur nishing the means for every libellous Journal to assail their character, before the period had ex pired for which it was proposed the Howe should adjourn. And he would ask the House, what security they had on this head after what they had already seep. This was not the only mis chief arising from giving in a list of witnesses, for even in cases of high treason—the cases where alone the practice had prevailed, that practice had been productive of the highest mischief. In Hardy's case, where the present Lord Chancel lor was Counsel, the leading witness, whose name was in the list, could never be produced on the trial, and it was believed that he had been assassinated. On the other hand, a mischief of a different nature arose. No other witnesses could be examined but those inserted in the list ; and in Watson's case, a link in the chain of evi dence was wanting, which could have been sup plied by a witness discovered after the list was made up, and because his name was not inserted, he could not be called. Upon the whole, he submitted that the object of the new motion could not be acquiesced in consistently with justice. Lord Hor.LANn rose, and after deprecating tha inconsistent mode in which the debate had been conducted, and the extraneous matter which had been introduced, proceeded with con siderable earnestness to vindicate the political conduct of his Noble Friend (Lord Erskine), and to attack the views expressed by a Noble Earl opposite, that every acquittal for High Treason furnished a proof of the inadequacy of the existing law—a law to which the Noble Lord declared his belief,' that many of his Ma jesty's subjects now owed their lives and the en joyments of their properties. The Noble Lord concluded by saying, he. beheld with pleasure his Noble and Learned Friend, at an advanced pe riod of his life, supporting these principles which he stood up for in the vigour of youth, with talent unexampled, and perseverance never ex celled. The Earl of LIMERICK opposed the motion. Lord CALTRORPE supported it. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, the House had gone to the full extent, and his Lordship did not feel that further delay could be given. Lord ERSKINE then said, he should take the sense of the House on the question. Strangers then withdrew, and a division en sued— For Lord Erskinels Motion Against it Majority The Earl of DARLINGTON proposed that a list of the witnesses to be examined daily should be furnished by Counsel. The Noble Earl said, such an arrangement might expedite the business. The Earl of Li vEarioor - , objected to the pro posal. The examination of witnesses depended on a variety of circumstances, and Counsel could not always select the witnesses for exa , mina tion. EXAMINATION OF WITNESSES. The House having come to a decision respect ing the question of the Cross-Examination, the Counsel were ordered to appear, and were in formed by The Loan CHANCELLOR-That the House had determined that the Counsel for her Majesty- Were at liberty to cross-examine the witnesses, immediately after they had been examined ; and that they would also be permitted to recall the witnesses for the purpose of again cross-examin ing them, if they (the Counsel) should deem it necessary. CROSS-EXAMINATION. The Witness (Barbara Grant: or Kress) was then called in, and Mr. BaouonAm continued her cross-examination, as follows Q. Where do you live now?—A. In a private house. Where is it ?—1 do not know. • How far from here do you live ?—I do not know, I came in a coach. On which side of the River ?—She came over a bridge. Who lives in the house with you ?—Only the people of the house and my brother. Has he ever given you any money ?—No. Did your brother never promise you money at any time ?- 111 v brother could not promise me money. Why could he not; do you mean he had no money ?—Only that which he had when he left home. What trade is he?—One who makes pots. Several Peers exclaimed, a potter. Is hr a workman or a master ?—A master. What is your father ?-111y father is serjeant to the army ; he is dead. Did no person give you any money before you came here ? No. Did nobody promise you any money afterwards.?—No. Did nobody promise to give vou money after you should come from Carlsru he to England ?—No. Will you say upon your oath that no person promised you any advantage when you came to England I—Nobody bas promised we any thing, but that I should have compensation for leaving my occupation. Some doubt arose as to the accuracy of the interpetrakion to the last question it was repeated, and answered iu the same manner. 1-low much compensation were you to have ?—I cannot say. Who told you.that you should receive any compensation 1.. Our Minister. What did you say to the Minister said to hint that I ought to be compensated, that I should lose my place. What Minister is he I—Monsieur de Von Dergstedt. Whose Minister is he?--I do nut know. Is he not Minister of the Duke of Baden ?—I du not know whether he is for the home business or for the business away. It was determined that she meant fur the Home and Foreio you Depart m en t s.not know be is the Date of Baden's Mini s t er ? po I do not happen to see him ?—They called m e . Did h r, i d k n ow.i sed you tiu for you? —Yrs. [T urn over.) j