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PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS, MONDAY, SEPT. 4. TILE QUEEN. [Continuation of the Proceedings of yesterday.] -4lessandre Pineai was then called in and sworn. Examined by the ATTORNET-G ENER Q. Are you an ornamental painter':--A. Yes. Were you ever employed at the Villa d'Este ? --I was. • - By whom were'you first employed at the Villa d'Este ?—By the Baron. What Baron ?—Baron Bergarni. How long were yOu ~at the Villa d'Este More than" two years: .. , - Did you afteiwards go to Rome with the Princess ?—I did. How were you employed when you went to Rome what situation ? • INTERPR LTER—IIe says he does not hear ; he does not comprehend the question. Shall I put it again.—(Cries of Yes, Yes !) Question repeated.—l was a servant. During the time that you were at the Villa d'Este, did you ever see the Princess and Ber gami together ?—Many . times, Where have you seen them together?---Walk ix about the grounds. ° When walking about the grounds, in what manner were they walking together ?—She was holding the hand of Bergami. - Were they alone, or were others with them ? Sometimes they were alone, and sometimes the Dame cl'Honneur was with them. . Have you seen them in a boat , together ? Many times. Were they alone in the bout, or were other persons with them ?—Sometimes they were in the boat alone, and sometimes like Dame d'Honneur was with them. Did you know the room of Bergami at the Villa d'Este ?—I did. Do you remember being at any time in the anti-chamber to that room ?—Yes. •At what time of the day was it that you were ia that anti-chamber ?- 2 --It was in the morning, between 10 and 11 o'clock. _ _ • Did you see Bergami at that time ?—I saw Bergami outside, where the Princess's room was. How was he dressed ?—ln a morning gown, with only his drawers on. In what direction did Bergarni go ?—He was going towards his room. Did you see where he went ?—He was going to his room ; he went to his room. Did Bergami see you ?—He saw me. When you were at Rome, at the Villa Brandi, did you wait at table did. Did you wait at dinner and supper ?—I did. Who used to dine 'and sup with the Princess ? All her Court ; and sometimes persons who vrere iurited from Rome. Did Bet gami dine and sup with her ?—He did. bid Louis Bergami dine and sup with her at the Villa Brandi ?—He did. Did the mother of Bergami dine with her at the Villa Brandi ?---She did not. Do you remember being at Ruth - will with the Princess ?—I do. Was Berganii, during the residence at Rufi nelli,.illl--He was. %ras he confined to his - room ? (13y the Interpreter.)-14 wishes to know if you mean confined to his room or to his bed ? Did he keep his.room or his bed.?-11e kept hls bed. Have you ever seen the Princess in his room ? Many times. What did her Royal Highness do in his room ? She ai there conversing. • With whom ?—::Withßergami. Have you ever seen Bergami taking medicine while he was ill ?---I have seen him. , Who gave him the medicine ?—Sometimes I have seen the Princess. Were you ever present when Bergami's bed was warmed ?—I was mot present when the bed was warmed, but I brought the fire. Have you seen Bergami get out of bed for the purpose of having his bed warmed ?—f have. Was the Princess in the room at that time ? She was. Do you remember going from Ancona to Rome with the Princess ?-1 do. On any evening during the course of that jour ney, do you remember seeing the Princess and Bergarni any where?-Not in the evening. 'AI any other time of the day or night 2—Never in' the night ; I have in thd day. Did you see them together ?—Yes. 'At. what time of the day was it you saw them? I •do not remember whether it was .before or after dinner. At the time you saw them together, did you make any observation on their conduct ?—I have. 'What was it ?—Passing through a court I have. seen the Princess so (describing by signs with his arms.) AlVtio was with the Princess at that time ? Bergami. Who was with the Princess at that time, when she was putting her arms round somebody.. Mr. BROUGIIAM.—Novv, my Lords, the wit ness has not said so ; there are no cuts to this book of evidence. The witness makes a sign; and then my friend the Attorney-General fol 7 lows it up by assuming that the Princess put her arms round somebody's neck. We must have the answer in words, and not in signs. The LORD CHANCELLOR.—Let the Interpreter be so good as to inform the witness, that he is not to make, signs, but to give a verbal answer. The examination resumed by the ATTORNEY - - GENERAL. What position was the Princess in when you saw her in the way you describe ?—The Princess was embracing Bergami. Mr. BROUGIIAM.—NOW, my Lords, I object to that word " embrace." You saw the sign, and 1 ain sure it did not signify what is ordinarily meant by the phrase tg embracing." Embracing means something else. The ATTORNEY.-GENERAL.—Your Lordshipir. see the situation in which I am. Mr. Brougham objects to signs, and then when he.has words, even they don't please him.--(llear, hear!) The LORD CHANCELLOR asked him, what hii meant byembracingi--So—(describing the same posture.) Examination resumed by the ATTo RICLY.-C ENERAZ. Q. Describe how you saw the Princess and Bergami at the time of passing the Court'--- A. The Princess was embracing Berg - arni. You have said you saw Bergami embrace (abracciare) the Princess, what do you mean by the wOrd embrace 3 how were their arms placed ? —The Princess put her hands behind Berganil, round under his arms. - ' You say, then that the Princess put her hands round under Beigand's arms behind hini In what direction were their faces at that time relatively to each other -?---One against (op posite) the other. Were their faces Bear together, or how Their faces were at a distance from each other, she being short and he tall.—(Laughter, and cries of" Order !"). Have you ever been at the Villa Caprini, near Pesaro ?—Yes, I have. • With the Princess ?—Yes. Did you ever see the Princess amd Bergarni together at Caprini ?—The first evening I was there I saw them together. 'Whereabouts ?—Out of the house, on the steps that lead down to the garden. What were they doing when you saw them ? I went to look for , and I thought it was the wife of the agent, but it was the Princess ; she was embracing Bergami as I have just de scribed. Did you ever see Bergami and the Princess in that situation at any other time ?—Not at Caprini. Did you in any, other place ?—I have seen them sometimes at the Villa d'Este. Did you ever see them do any thing else to each other ?—I saw them kiss. Did you say kiss ?--Yes.• Did you see that only once, or more than once ?—I think I saw it only once then. At other times I do not remember. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he had no further questions to ask of the witness ; and the Queen's Counsel declining to - proceed to his cross-examination at present (on the ground, we presume, of his being totally unknown to theni), he was ordered to withdraw. Domenica Bruza was then called in, sworn, and examined by Mr. PARK. Q. What. country are you of ?—A. I am an Italian.—Of what trade ?—I am a mason. Have you been at any time employed in the service of the Princess of Wales ?—Yes, I have. How long were you so employed ?—From the year 1815 to the middle of 1817. Were you at the Villa Villani ? Yes.—And also at the Villa d' Este ? Yes.—And at the Ba •rona ? Yes, there also. Did you ever see the Princess and Bergami to gether :—Yes. Have you seen them together often?-4 have seen them once, twice, three times. Did you ever see them walk together ?—(The Interpreter rendered the word walk, passeggiare, which produced some misunderstanding.) Often ?—I have seen them once, twice, three times ; many times. Has the witness seen them together ?..—He has. How, in what manner ?—ln a boat on the lake. Alone; or was any one with them ?—Alone. When they were walking together you say they were alone ?—Yes ; they were alone. Were they arm in arm, or separate'?—They were alone, but I was rowing.—(A laugh.) Mr. BROUGHAM here observed, that it was evident the witness misconceived the questions put to him. The short-hand writer was desired to read aloud the *notes, and the LORD CHANCELLOR said, it was clear from the contrariety of the wit ness's replies to the interrogatories, that he had mistaken their tenor. Examination resumed. Has the witness seen them walking alone ? I never made any observations about their walk. ing ; I have seen them sitting. Was any one with them when they were sit. ting ?—A certain Baron. Who was this certain Baron ?—Bergami. Was Bergami sitting with her ?---He was; ii was on the evening of a feast. What feast?—The feast of St. Bartholomew. What time of the day was it when the witness saw them sitting together ?—Evening. In what place, or whereabouts were they sit ting ?—They were sitting on a bench under some trees. The Interpreter said, " a sort of berC i eau;' on which several Peers said, " it was an arbour." Was any one sitting , with them besides the Ba ron and the Princess ?—I saw the Baron and the Princess, no one else. How came you to see them ?—I was going with Ragrozoni to sleep in the village. Do you recollect being at work any day at the Villa d'Este, near a corridor ?--I do. Was the witness at work in a room ;--The wit ness putting his hands in two positions on .the bar, replied" there was one room, and there was another." Was there a door in the room where the wit ness was at work ?—Yes. Opposite that door was there another? Mr. DENMAN appealed to the House, whether such a leading mode of examination was not high ly exceptionable. The LORD CH4NCELLOR observed, that the Counsel could certainly attain his object in a more regular way. Examination resumed. Was there another door besides the one men tioned by the witness just now ? , ---Yes, there was another. In what direction was the other door from the position of the first ?--They were opposite to each other. When the door of the roonn which the wit .. sness was working was open, and when the second 400 r.: he has described was also open, could tilt 'witness sce through both?--(After tivause)— When I was going Ragozoni was cooling out of ihe'room and weNvnt toge‘. • Did !you see,a4DeNkoiwin >hen door was open did. Whom did you see ?L—The Princess and the Baron. What Baron ?—Baron Berganai. V,rhat were they doing when you saw them ? They were caressing each other. Was the Princess - sitting or standing ?----Standing. Was Bergami sitting or standing'-Both standing. In what way were they caressing ?—The wit ness here made an action, and said, " they were caressing each other with the hands." Wbat part of the body did they touch ?—The face._ • - fOu know Bergami's room at the Villa d'Este-4 Cannot distinguish Bergarni's room, there were Ao naAny , rooms. After the return of the. Princess, does the wit ness: know of any alteration in the room which he supposed to be Bergami's? Mr, DENmAN.—It has not yet appeared in eVidence that he had any knowledge, even by supposition, which was Bergami's room. After a few inaudible words from the LORD CHANCELLOR, the question was repeated. • I have not Seen any. Do you know of any thing being done to the wall of the room which you were told was Ber gami's—any work done ?—" I have not, at pre sent, my mind." The witness was ordered to withdraw. Antonio .Bianchi was then put to the Bar, and sworn. Q. Are you an inhabitant of Como ?—A. I am. Do you know the Princess of Wales do. Do you remember when she lived at the Villa d'Este ?---I do. Have you ever seen her on the Lake of Como in a small boat ?—Many times. Who was with her on those occasions ?—Ber gami. • Do you know the river. Brescia ?—I do. Have you ever seen the Princess and Bergami on that river ?—I have. 'What have you seen them about there ?—I have seen them in a little canoe near to a little gate to prevent the water from overflowing the country. What were they doing there ?—I have seen first the canoe empty, then, after a moment, T, have seen Bergami and the Princess enter it. Where were they coming from ?—They came from this .flood-gate.- Describe this flood-gate ?—[The witness then , described the river as being confined by a bank, to prevent the laud from being overflowed.] - Where were they when you, first saw them ? They were coming towards the canoe. Was that the only time you saw them in this river ?—I have seen them several times. How were they dressed when you saw them, at the time to which you allude I—Both alike. 'What kind of dress ?—I cannot tell whether it was linen or silk. Could you see whether they had been in the water or not ?—Mr. DENMAN Objected to this as a leading question. The Loan CHANEELLQR—Ask whether their clothes appeared to .be wet ? The question was put to the witness.—They seemed to be wet, but I cannot tell whether they were dry or wet be cause I did not touch them. Did they get into the canoe where he saw there?—They did. • Which way did they go?—They came down a small canal towards the river. What small canal ?—A small canal that came into the Brescia. , Do you recollect whereabouts they were when you first saw them ?—I saw them the first time leaning against the bank. Was there any water where they were stand ing I—There was a little water, not much. How muchl—About a yard deep. _ When he first saw them - were they standing in the water ?-•I saw them leaning against the bank, and then they walked towards the boat. Was the water where they were standing used for bathing ?—Many gentlemen go there to bathe, because the land is good and the water is clear. When he first saw the Princess and Bergami at that place were they standing in the water• or not ?—They were in the water, but they came out immediately as soon as they saw me. How was the Princess- in the lower part of her dress ?—She had loose trowsers that reached to her feet. Mr. DENMAN declined asking the witness any questions, and he withdrew. Giorani Lucine. Q. Do you come from the Lake of Como ? A. Yes. What trade are you ?—A washer. Were you employed in the service of the Prin cess at the Villa d'Este ?-1 was. Did you ever see* Bergami with the Princess in a coach ?—Yes. Do you remember working near the Tower o. the Villa d'Este ?—Yes. Did you see the Princess and Bergami there ? Yes. What were they doing?—They were sitting. After you saw them what did they do ?—They went into an adjoining cabinet. Was there any other person with them ?—No. In what way did they walk to the cabinet ? They merely got up, he took her by the arm. Did you then see where his arm was ?—No. Do you know the room at the Villa d'Este which was Bergami's ?—I do. Did you see Bergami in that room any morn ing through the window ?—Yes. How Was be dressed ?—lie had on a morning gown of a lead colour. What time in the morning ?—Early. Did you see the Princess in thht room ?-Yes Bow was she dressed ?—ln white. What were they doing ?—They were so. [Here the witness made a motion of his hodit which conveyed no meaning at alt.] What do you mean ?—(=They were looki,ag down ; I observed nothing else. • • - How leg were ey at the Window?-04.1.t $ sk . e ? - ou ever the Theatre at th 4 Vills d'Este ?—Yes. Who performed there ?—The Princess Was singing, and Bergami was playing on an instrument' Cross-examined by Mr. DENMAN. Q. Did you not say, at Milan, that yon knot nothing on this subject, but wished for a journal to London ?----A. I have been examined at Milao• Mr. DENMAN did not press the question. Questions put by Earl GREY. dl5 not the carriage, or carriage or vehicle - which you spoke, very common in the country. Yes. It is a carriage for one person only besides tbt driver ?—Yes. Can two persons sit side by side in it ?—No. Is it not the custom of the country for the pe son to sit on the Knees of the driver ?—Yes. Havw you not often seen it done ?—Yes. The witness was then withdrawn. Carlo Ralagi called in and sworn. Examined by Mr. ATTORN EY-G EN LIT A Q. Were you ever in the service of the Prince' of Wales ?—A. Yes. For how long ?--Almost three years. What ,vas your situation ?--Confectionar. 'here did you eater her service ?—At tb Do you know Bergami ?—I do. When you were at Villa d'Este have you eV seen the Princess and Bergami together i Often' What was their conduct towards each other when they were together ? Question objected to by Mr. DENMAN.--1 14 contended, that the question was too swetpiug its nature. " Conduct," being the sum 01 , amount of individual acts, and questions shoula be asked as to these individual acts. Mr. ATTORNEY-GENERA L contended, that had a right to put the question. The LORD CHANCELLOR suggested a_mosll6' cation of the question, thus :—What did you so' them do have seen nothing but their wall" ing together. How did, they walk together. I—As if thei. were husband and wife, or old friends. How were their arms ?—They were arm in art* Did you go with the Princess to the Vill* Grande at Rome ?—Yes. Was it your duty to prepare the Princeo breakfast ?—Yes. Da you recollect ever seeing Bergarni one morning while you were preparing breakfast ? Yes' What time in the morning did you usually see him?—Sometimes at nine, sometimes earlier, Do you remember'on either of those occasi©o seeing where 13ergatni came from ?—From room. Did you ever see him coining from any °the room than his own ?—No. Didion accompany the Princess to Pesaro? Do you remember seeing the Princess au' Bergami together there ?-1 do. What did' they do ?—They were going to N val. , Had the Princess any birds?—She had nightingale. Do you remember carrying meat to tb . nightingale I—Yes. Dolan recollect seeing-the Princess and )3er gami on that occasion ?—Yes. Did you then observe them doing any thing —I observed they were kissing each other. Did you bear the Princess say any thing 0 Bergami ?—She said—" Do not remain so lent mO7l C (cur ." At Capricia, do you recollect Bergami doing any thing ?—Yes. Have you ever heard Bergami call his sere from his window ?—Many times. ~1 0 ( At these times did you see the Princess • where ? I have seen the Princess in his room twicf; Have you been present when the Princess down to breakfast ?—I always was. Was any one with her?—She came with Oe r ' gami under, her arm. • Cross-examined by Mr. WlLLisms. You were constantly in the house ? —Yes. • Francisco Cassina sworn. Examined by Mr. Puue.—Q. What country are you 0 A. Como. Of what trade are you ?—A mason. • Did you work at the Villa d'Este Whilst the Princess of Wales was there?—l was Do you know Bergaini 1-1 do. How long hare you known him ? In what situation was he when you knew him ?—‘filet. Did he wait at table ?—Yes. Do you recollect where he slept when the Princess ret 61°4 frnn► Greece ?—I do. b-eC'' Do you know of any alteration that was made io his room at that time?-1 opened • dour. Wcre you tmployed to open that door ?—I was. i• c Do you know if any change took place boat that tim e the hed-room of the Prince.s ?—I do. What alteration was it ?--Sbe changed a few days from where she was first, to the room advancing where' &tor was made. oer After the door was made bow - could a pi rson go "Ti p p , gami's room to the Princess's ?—Through a small coin c o% Before that door was made, how would a prrson have t t) ,`;.o4 —You must have gone Icy the staircase, throng)) the saloon, then a corridor, then the anti-roosn, Bergards to the room of the Princess. Cross-examined 4y .31 . 1:. DEsmA This door then was an old one, and not a new one Ws - the first time ?—lt was an old one. Guiseppe Rastelli szzarn. , ic e SALICITOR-GEYERAL e o' .—Q. Were' eVcr in the s the Priocess of Wales ?—A. 1 have hero. af tcr wl•-• Lust as under servant, and ...tt what capacity.•—r. 1N arils at the head. coo' - i, Where d o t you first enter into her service the Villa d'E,te. hen?—At the latter end of Aitvist, i£o6. How long did you continue in her service ?Ti" her, tsi7. „ c ,te• - NVhere was she living at that time ?—At the V illa u Was Bergami t he, e then ?--,Yes. 3 O r Did you ever see Bergand ride with the Princ estil 1-aLfe?Yes. of i l ‘ r How slid the ride or sit ?—She tat.upoo the l itters gami. o f o )°°. Did you ever see her Royal Highness on the Lai"' 3 01 —Yes. t iq Have you ever seen her Royal IliLliness Title on oilier ca l ri age ?--Yes almost ;:vciy day. it ' Caf Did you ever see Bergamt with a blue cloali a piesent. Did y. it ever see him ride out with it ?—Yeg• f 4 rtes. OA % How was the cloak used on that occasion ?---•'-ojitf her Royal Highness's neck, and the !weer' etc round Bygatui. 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