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"" to supply our haughty neighbours of England with instruc eion- in their ancient faith, which ever was and ever will be the only source of the social virtues."—(A laugh.)—Another object of the . Association in levying this tax was, to buy up the independent press of the country which should pre smile to oppose Catholic sentiments and interests.—With these professed ,views he should leave the House to deal as it thought fit. All who knew the value of a word in Ireland, where so much in the human breast was in the nature of touch wood, would not fail to see that the effects of this tax must be of great importance. Certainly, if any thing could prove that the .Irish were slaves, it would be the submitting to pay this tax. 'To tell them they were slaves, was to tell them that they had the right to throw off the yoke of their Governors, which was the common right of every British subject under such cir - eunastances. It was a direct endeavour to excite hatred and contempt for the laws of the British realm, and almost as direct • an incitement to arms as could be addressed to a generous people., But, if there were nothing in the Catholic assuming the right of taxation, over a country without Parliamentary authority, and creating such an uproar against individuals, that the Archbishop of Dublin, for instance, could not go out of hia house, there would remain something still, which it became that House .to resent with peculiar indignation.— So as that Association lasted, the free liberty of speech would not exist to Meth Members in that House. It might be granted at the beginning of a Session, but he must be a bold -man who should maintain his independence throughout, when • there existed such means of raising a powerful outcry .against him. The whole objectand tendency of the Association was to .checic the liberty of speech and overawe the freedom of . thought. Was that House; then, to give tip the right of taxing the people of Ireland to the Catholic Association ? A small band of agitators was enough for Ireland. Their ostensible oh ject was to petition Parliament, but in fact they only met" to harangue .with factious declamation against individuals un der temporary pressure. The Irish were not a people who had education .to repel the sophistry, or who had comforts suf-• ficient to block up their hearts against the inflammatory ap peals of this Association. Ile knew not by what other means than could be devised by that House this Society could be dealt with. Ile had heard of the supremacy of the law—he had ineard diet law was convertible with sovereignty itself.; but in Ireland it was only convertible by impotency, ridicule, and laughter—and never more than by those men hid it been ridiculed, laughed at, and boastingly evaded. That they ,assembled for the purposes of petitioning he denied. Their petition was known by every peasant in the country, long before it was adopted, and any one able to write, could write it from beginning to end.as well as the first statesman of the :.Association. They met, and adjourned, and met again and again ; they published the most licentious harangues, and hlid every thing, in short, but petition. Since February they foul met, but they had beard nothing of their petition. The . bold meaning, the tone and manner of their harangues, and the exposition of the numbers at their backs, all showed that their object was to bear down all opposition, and make the Legislature adopt what measures they thought conducive to the cintereats of Ireland. All who were attached to the right of ,petitioning ought to regard their proceedings as elnustileafor it was the riotous abuse of a right that led to the curtailment of it. Petitioning might, perhaps, have been the , original view of the Institution, but moderation had always • 'been kicked out of the doors by them, and any Gentleman, • really attached to the interests of the country, who might wish .• to take a lead there, was sure to be put down by the factious ..and the upstart.—(Hear, hear U. —They had already outraged every Protestant in the country, and scandalized the Roman Catholics. lie might safely say that, if they were to be mecia sured by such a standard, or confounded by such men, whoa eif they had any talent, it was just such as was enough to; teach them how to cheat the law, and who cared no more about the Catholic cause than it served to promote their.' • own interests, whilst they exasperated the passions of all par- - ties, and retarded the success of that very petition which they pretended to be the end of their meeting. He had been asked. at the corner of every street, what had become of his Ma jesty's Attorney-General for Ireland, who had so lately shewn himself to be so active against those who, no doubt, were very riotous, very misbehaveda and murderous. The . answer that he had made to each of these anxious inqui ries was, that he supposed this Association did not come within • the reach of the law. Probably the 33d of the late King might . not reach them, one of the Six Acts might not apply - to them, .-and an Act passed last year might perhaps be in the same pre dicament, because they had not corresponding Secretaries, al though they had Secretaries who corresponded with every county in Ireland. Perhaps, however, if the Attorney-General lor Ireland had been as eager to prosecute this A ssociationas he had been to pursue the murderous 'bottle holders, he might have found the law strong enough, and that too wit hout strain ing it to an unconstitutional pitch - for his purpose. This, how -ever, was a question for lawvears to decide, and he would leave is in their hands. He would simply ask whether it was fit that - any country, with the rudest tbrm of a constitution, should .1-lave a min or association exercising the right of taxing the Ring's subjects? With portentious -blare it sited its fiery f_heams through the country, owning no lord, anal doing no homage. By them the law was transgressed in its spitat, • if not in its letter. lie called then upon Parliament, as he had a right to do, to pass their opinion upon an Association such as this, in a manner suited to the novelty of the situation in which the law of the country was placed. He was entitled -to call upon that house to do this, for he had passed his opinion - in • reprobation of Orange ,processions although he was an Orangeman. He had, however, been misrepresented upon this point, for it had been attributed to him, that he had avowed the principles of Orangemen and Ribandmen together. • lie never could have said so, unless he had been so unfortu nate as to say the very reverse of what he had always thought. lie had no other opinion of the Ribandmen than what was de clared by his Majesty's principal Law officer in the Court at Dublin the other day, viz.—that their object was that of stir ring up resistence to the law, and creating disturbance and in --subordination amongst the people. Of Orange principles he would say -no more than that they were praiseworthy, mode rate, and constitutional. They were the principles which set in motion the great families, and Whig families too, which brought about the glorious Revolution, and they ought to be held in esteem so long as the Bill of Rights was reverenced.— • , The very contrary were the principles of tile Catholic Associa tion. They were destined to perpetuate what the Revolution • went to destroy, and to disturb what the Revolution intended to settle. Ile hoped he had said enough to convince the House that this Association was dangerous to the peace of • the Empire. He had intended to have moved that the peti tion be referred to the Committee sitting upon the disturbed -Counties : but he found that by the forms of the House he ..Na a s too late to effect that object. lie therefore moved that it •-be.brough t up. The petition was then brought up and read. On the motion s that it he lald-on the table, M r.'PLUNKET T rose to express his obligations to the Pion. :Member for Armagh, for the Obliging defence lie had made to those wino had arraigned his (Mr. Plunkett's) conduct. It pro ceeded, lie was bound - to suppose, from feelings.of personal kindness towards himself. The Hon. Member had told diem athat he had no doubt hia backwardness proceeded from the im perfection of the low, • at the same time that he insinuated his -surprise that he, who had formerly not only put tine law in full vigour, but actually stepped beyond it in the affair of the bottle holders, as he w as ple as ed t o t erm t h e m, should have left the -_ . law so inoperative on the present occasion. He could assure the Honourable Member and his friends who had undertaken ' his defence, ' that -- they could not,alter his conduct, nor cause him to swerve from 'the even course which lie thought it duty to pursue in discharging the important duties which - his Majesty had been graciously pleased to impose upon him. • • ( Hear, hear !)—He looked , itraight forward without any respect to party. Whether he was - rigiu or • not, the House would judge; but the course he bad pursued-w;as that which he ever should pursue. lie would deal no • left handed justice, and - whoever transgressed that law, should bythe law be punished. ,The lion. Member for Armagh had avo we d Oranise princi pl, and declared himself to be, an Orangeman. He could -assure` that Honourable • Member that if he would furnish him with adequate proof of that • he abould notfind him back ward- in tryiug thestre n g th of the individual law to p un i s h an so obnoxious -to `it.—(Hear' !)--No one, •h e cou ld assure t h e House, could he more disposed than he was te , wateh.the Ca tholic Association, for he thought they required to be closely watched. They might or might not be within. the law, an d • •there might be reasons-Why he, - with a ll the responsibility of „a public prosecutor . S should notbe drawn into a public declar t ion one way or the ot her.—( Hear; hear! t tile sam e j t o im n e he m ust •observe, that he could not understand why thea Alember for Armagh, who now sheaved se-much anxiety . (roan inquiry 'into this Association, should have professed - so hale anxiety for an inquiry respecting other Associations equ- sily illegal.— this, The lion. Member heel Lot given them any.rea son for f.wllilst be very confidently called upon that House for an opi upon the subject which he presented to them. ,-It was ;the first time he had ever heard a man venture to profess him -self a Member of the illegal Association of Orangemen. The ;Member thought himself quite guiltless because he had Yraigne(l. their riotous processions, where they simply stepp ed 'beyond tile, _pale of the aw to the commission of murder and every outrage that a ble o f. If Gentlemen ss men acre eapa e wouldehooseto assoc i • atethernseives with the lowest dregs of the _community they Inust net x ect-to taraw themselves out of their Atrocious acts, to which_ thei r them b y b i mply countenance might have encou : ra n ,of them. 11 e be leave; tidisclainning participation or approval ore, to- telkhe lion. Gentle - tisat li ttlest the advice h a dCei; man, • • o ffe re d him he might have ,•lsept for himself.- (Hear, h ear !I • 141AilitifIE FITZGERALD :A h in this petition which he Thought that -there way muc h, ought to make the House could , yea se I. • . Whatever, eUrgeu r r .against trio Catholic Association, it was most true that they had done no. thing equal to the provocation which had been offered to them by other parties. Sir T. - LETHBRIDGE expressed his surprise that the Ca. tholic Association had been allowed so long to exist. It was his opinion that had it not been for Catholic Associations, in one shape or another, there would have been no Orange Societies. They were Associations for defence, and as such only ought to be viewed. He considered that the Honourable Member for Armagh was entitled to the thanks of every man in the Empire. 3lr. C. H. HUTCHINSON said that he did not blame the Hon. Member for Armagh for having presented a Petition, but at the same time he could not think his Majesty's Attorney. General for Ireland entitled to animadversion for not having suppressed the Catholic Association. He hoped that neither one society nor another would be guilty of illegal conduct ; but it should never be forgotten, that if the catholics assembled for the purposes of petitioning or discussing their grievances, they were goaded on to it by insult and oppressiom. lie was convinced that the Treat day of emancipation for the Catholic millions of Ireland was not far distant, and he could assure his Majesty's Secretary for Foreign Affairs and for the Home Department, that they would not do their duty unless they carried this great measure. - He had nothing to blame Isis Majesty's Secretary for Foreign Affairs but with the Spanish war, and he hoped he would redeem himself upon this other important topic. Colonel TRENCH strongly condemned the Catholic Asso ciation of Ireland. He had found in the records of that Asso ciation the origin,of many of the atrocious outrages that had of late been committed. Ile found this in the ineulious proposi tion disseminated throughout the country, that all possible faci lity should be given to collecting tithes in kind. The object of tins was to prevent compositions in money, in order to keep up that irritation which was always created among the peasantry by any attempt to collect tithes in kind. This and similar in%i_ dious steps were taken by this association under the guidance o artful leaders whp taught them to transgress the spirit without violating the letter of the law. Under their protector, O'Con nell, they set the law and its precepts at defiance. He consi dered it the fertile source of every disorder in that unhappy country, and one which loudly called for the interference of that :House. The peace of Ireland depended on its suppression, for j there was scarcely an outrage which might not be almost directly traced to it. Mr. 11. SU3INER approved of the conduct of the Hon. Member for Armagh in bringing forward this Petition. There could be no doubt the Association in question was a most mis chievous one ; but he did not think the Attorney -General for Ireland open to any blame for not having prosecuted them. That Right Hon. Gentleman had, as lie understood him, told them that lie was watching an opportunity of bringing diem within the law, but that their artful leaders, or lawyers, pre vented then from committing themselves. He was sorry, holy ever, the Hon. Gentleman hatl not said something more upon such a subject. An Hon. Member from under the gallery spoke in &vit.r of the Catholic Association (as we. understood.) Mr. WARRE spoke of the aggravated sufferings of the Catholics of Ireland. They were an oppressed people, and ought to receive a certain portion of indulgent consideration from: those who criticised their conduct. lie wished to see the Catholics treated as other men, and allowed to possess the same rights. With regard to the Catholic Association it was no doubt mischievous to the country, and not serviceable to the cause it professed to advocate. Ile should like, therefore, to see the great Catholic Noblemen of this country take the cause out of the hands of this Association.—(Bear!) Mr. BROWNLOVIT rose to move that the petition be print ed. Whether any, he observed, or how many, of Isis Ilajesty's Ministers agreed with the Attorney-General for Ireland he did not know, for they had not tittered one word on the subject.— .Here was an Association by which every man who professed -the Reformed Religion, from the Heir-presumptive down to the meanest subject in the realm, was abused, and yet they -were left in the dark as to whether such a society was tolerat ed by the law or not. A s for the Attorney-General for Ire land, when he was asked for a legal opinion upon the Ca etholic Association, he told them that if lie (Mr. Brownlow) would give him proof of his being an Orangeman he would prosecute him. He was ready, he assured him, to give him every information, for the more that was known of that Society, the more it would be admired and respected. Under the hands of the Catholic As.ociation, Ireland was as miserable being condemned to be the living subject of anatomy, and yet no man in power had granted them the benefit of an opinion. For his j own part, he did believe the Association could be brought within the reach of the law. All the terrors of the law, aye, ' and powers beyond the Constitutional limit of the law, could be ransacked to put down Orange Societies ; but this which trans gressed the spirit yet cheated the letter of the law was left with impunity. Ile would say nothing more, than that as the peti tion could not be referred to the Committee appointed to exa mine into the state of Ireland, it would be throughly examined by the House itself. Mr. PLUNKETT said he must throw himself upon the can dour and fairness of the House, to say whether the Hon. Memberhail any right to press him in the way he had, in the situation in which he stood as a public prosecutor.—(Hear, hear !)—The Hon. Member said that this Association was act- Ping improperly and dangerously, but he furnished an answer to himself in the last sentence of his able reply, wherein he said •that they transgressed the spirit, but cheated the letter of the 'law. Now suppose him (Mr. P.) to have come to the same con clusion, was he to get up and say that he did not believe the As sociation.came within the reach of the law, but he would do his best to ,prosecute th em ?—( Hear ! )—The Hon. M em her for Sur rey (Mr. H. Sumner) had misunderstood him, in supposing he said he was watching an opportunity to prosecute them. He had said that they required to be narrowly watched, and he pledged himself to the House, that if lie should see his way clearly..as to the law, and clearly also as to the prudenq and discretion of the act, he would not skrink from his duty, and no one who knew him believed in his heart that lie would. He considered the Association as calculated highly to endanger the public peace, and what he valued as highly--the Catholic cause. Ile considered that it would endanger more the success of that great object than all its open enemies.—( Hear, hear !) Mr. Secretary CANNING said, that lie rose in consequence of the pointed manner in which the lion. Member who present ed the Petition had alluded to the Administration. He did not think it a wise course, upon such an occasion, to deliver his sentiments upon the main question, nor would he, however unwillingly, be led to do so. The Hon. Member said he was precluded from any other motion upon this Petition than mov ing that it be printed. Ile (Mr. Secretary Canning) had ex pected a subsequent motion, on which it had been his intention to express his opinion. But he did not think any Gentleman entitled, on the presentation of a petition, to call upon Go vernment for an opinion upon questions affecting the import tint interests of the empire, anti he, for one, would never be drawn upon such an occasion into discussion. He had always considered it a most inconvenient mode, merely upon the placing of a petition on the table to, go into the discussion of the evident and most important subjects; and one in the present case, which, upon the very chewing of it, must take the House by surprise. Ile had expected the Hon. Member would have moved to refer the petition to the Committee up stairs. had he done so, he should have voted for the motion, and stated his reasons, had it met with opposition. But to call upon his Majesty's Ministers to lay down the law in that House was really a mistake of their functions. 'Whatever he stated as a Minister he hoped would be received with the respect due to the office, but he claimed no respect for his law opinions. - It was true that he had for merly said there was much mischief in such associations. It was not, however, a question of feeling, but of discretion, where free institutions were concerned. It was better in sonic cases ,not to check such irreeularies, but rather to let them run to the end of the course by their own natural impulse.— It was one of the most difficult questions of Government to say Where the strong arm of Government should be introduced.— It did not follow because an evil was beyond the law that a law should be created to meet it. In such cases it was some times necessary to hesitate, and decide cautiously and ti•tielly ; not timidly as running away from danger, but from the tear of creating a greater evil.' At present he - conceived it to be no part of his duty to say what was the applicability of the law. It would require the exertion of a grave and a perilous dis cretion to declare what would be the course to take, if the law should fail. It would be too much, however, for him to say, that such an Association was highly dangerous. It did more .mischief to the Catholic cause than to the country even, and as a friend to the cause he sincerely deplored it. He did not think .the temper in which the Hon. Member had discussed this ques tion, would much lessen the evil. He wished it to expire, but lie would not ray, least of all upon a petition, what was the course his Majesty's Government would take.—(Hear!) - - The SPEAKER observed, that there existed some mistake relative to the forms of the House. The Hon. Member for Armagh (Mr. BraWnlow) had asked him whether, by putting his nam e d own upon the paper, he could move to refer the pet:- tion the Committee above stairs ? He had answered that "he certainly could not without setting aside the sessional rule of the 'louse, and Alie ordinary course of proceeding. The Sessional rule was, that Orders of the Day should come before %lotions, and that notice.of:Anotion should be given upon im portant subjects. The I:Ater-rule had never been carried so far as to exclude the right,of: making motions without notice, but sitting in that Chair it was his duty to take care the House was not taken by surprise wherever his advice was concerned. —(llear, hear!)—The blame, therefore, if anywhere, rested with him.—(Hear, hear!) Mr. Secretary CANNING explained. Ile had spoken from m istake, thinking that notice had been given. Mr. ABERCROM BY spoke as to the course proper to be pursued. lie thought it ought ,to. be free..tct thelion. Gentle man to lay his petition on the table, and subsequently refer it to the Committee now sitting up stairs. Mr. Secretary PEEL had abstained from speaking, from a persuasion that his Hon. Friend intended bringing forward a subsequent motion, which he thought would afford the fittest opportunity for offering his sentiments, and he had expected . that no more would be done on this occasion than refer the Petition to the Committee no w s itti ng o n th e disturbance in Ireland. He thought it would be premature to enter on the Subject now, and he begged his Hon. Friend to understand that he had not been silent from insensibility to its importance, and still less from disrespect to the individual by whom it had been brought forward. It was not till the second speech of his Hon. Friend that he knew of his having changed his intention. Under existing circumstances he would not offer his opinion on the case, considering a fitter opportunity would arrive. His Hon. Friend could act on the idea which had been thrown out, and after the present motion had been disposed of, give notice of another for referring it to a Committee up stairs. Mr. M. FITZGERALD complained of the manner in which cm Hon. Gentleman opposite had spoken of a respectable individual in Ireland. He had described "the Catholic Par liament to be sitting with their Protector O'Connell," and then he had represented them to have acted a part which he pro ceeded to stigmatize. The Hon. Gentleman, in answer to-this set forth in the strongest terms the eminent talents, high con nections, and large property of that Gentleman, as exempting him from all suspicion of selfish views or disaffection to the State. Colonel TRENCH rose to repel on unjustifiable attack. He regretted having mentioned the name of any individual, but had felt it his duty honestly to convey to the House that the party of whom he had spoken not only acted the part which he had described where lie resided, but went about to other parts, making himself the organ of the sentiments of the Association, and thus producing much mischief. He retracted nothing of what he had said, though he regretted having mentioned the name of any one. Mr. C. HUTCHINSON protested against what had been advanced by the Hon. Gentleman ; he denied that that charac ter was deserved which the I T len. Gentleman had bestowed; on millions of his fellow-subjects in Ireland. The Hon. Member might know some disaffected Catholics in his part of the coun try, but this did not justify the libel which he had pronounced on the population of Ireland. He called on those who were connected with the Catholics of Ireland to rise a. 4 he did and de nounce the charge of disaffection, of wishing to separate Ireland from England, or of wishing to connect it with any other State. Such s charge was a most unqualified and shameless libel on the people of Ireland. Colonel TRENCH denied that he had any intention of libel ling the mass of the Irish people. He lamented their igno rance and poverty, but the former education might correct, and the latter would, he hoped, be relieved by the care of the landlords. Sir C. BURRELL spoke of the danger of granting the clams of the Catholics, and read a letter which he had received skewing the manner in which theydeclined Availing themselves in some instances of the advantages - offered , by the national schools. i:t;riiIIIILTON expressed a wish to know what were the particular rules of those schools which the Catholics had refused to attend ? Sir C. BURRELL understood they did not at all interfere with the religious opinions of the Catholics. Mr. it RO WNW %V said, he had not abandoned his former design. Ii the House would permit, he would substitute : for the motion That the petition should be printed, one for referring it to the Committee up stairs. The SPEAKER pointed out to the Hon. Gentleman, that in point of form there was some difficulty in the way of pursuing that course.—The petition was ordered to be printed. Mr. BROWNLONT then gave notice that he would to-mor row move to refer the petition to the Committee now sitting. ments proposed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer were agreed to. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER also proposed the sum each individual might place in these banks should not exceed 400/. instead of 2001. Sir M. W. RIDLEY and Mr. Hu ME objected to 4001. as too large a sum. '`he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER finally with drew the amendment. Several new Clauses having been added, the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow. BANKRUPT LAWS. On the third reading of the Bankrupt Laws Amendment Bill, Ur. LOCKHART brought up a clause to empower Com missioners to report to the Chancellor, if any gross fraud ap peared on the part of one bankrupt, in order that his Lordship might thereupon disallow'his certificate. The Bill was read a third time, and passed. The third reading of the Hides and Skins Bill was opposed by General GASCOTNE. General FERGUSON and Mr. BRIGHT opposed it. 31r. LUSH INGTON supported the Bill. The House divided on the question— Ayes - - - . 34 Noes - - - - 1 Majority - :.: -- - - - - _ —33 The Bill was then read a third time and passed. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at HALF-PAST Two o'CLocx. ROMAN CATHOLIC PETITION. Mr. BROUGHAM said, he held in his baud a petition from-a considerable number of persons of the Roman Catholic persuasion in Ireland. The petitioners consisted of a very large mass of his Majesty's - subjects. They were deserving respect from the vast numbers of which they consisted ; they were to be respected for the large interests which they had in the coun. try, but on no account were they more to he respected than for the unshaken confidence which they had always held, a confi dence which they were still disposed to hold, anticipating relief front Parliament. As it was not his intention to bring for ward any specific motion on the subject of their claims, he felt it necessary shortly to state to the House the subject of the petition. It unfiwtunately happened that he differed from the petitioners in. some of their prayers. They expressed in the outset " gratitute for a disposition," which they thought they had received front Parliament, in appointing a Commit tee to inquire into the distress of Ireland, which they had so long and so patiently borne." They expressed, said the Hon. and Learnt:Ll. Ocupenuta, great regret at the union of the two Parliatnents,r'tunti be concurred in this statement. The Itoman Catholics or, Ireland consisted of seven-eighths of the people, and thcy wished their rights to be restored to them. - They complained of the tithe proctors " being rapacious," and of tithes ; they complained " that it is tax upon the ca pital of the country, and the labour of the poor ;" but of the injustice of it, they complain with greater force of expres sion, and he was of opinion with greater weight of reason. The said; that " tithe was payable from a large to a small proportion of people "---" payable," they said, " to an hierarchy which insulted and oppressed them." They com plained, a that the faith to winch they were . conscientiously and irrevocably attached, had been insulted by the Established, Church." They complained, " that in one part of the country the dead was not permitted to be buried," a thing never practised in any country before. They complained " that justice was not duly administered, and in one place in Ulster it was a ltogether denied." They stated, " that against abuses committed in the North by the Members of Orange Societies no justice was to be obtained ;" and that in the South the Insurrection Act, which was therein force, "had given rise to dissensions, for the particulars of which they begged to refer to M r . s ergea nt Torrens and others." They stated, that it was a boast among the Orange Societies, " that the Heir Pre sumptive to the Throne was their protecting patron." This, however, they looked upon as a false statement. They stated, " that in case of war the country would be in great danger from the system which existed in it." • It was not his good fortune to agree with some of the statements and some of the prayers with which the petition was couched ; but whilst he differed from theni, it was but justice to say that he informed the petitioners he could not support them in all their prayers. He at the same time thought the treatment which. they had received was one re quiring the interference of the House.— (flear, hear !)—Before suffering judgment to go forth against seven-eighths of' the peo ple of Ireland, let the Ilouse consider the subjec a t well. He recollected an observation made in the other House of Parlia ment by an Illustrious Individual, not more illustrious from his rank than he was froM the rectitude which marked all his actions, he meant the late Duke of Devonshire. Ile could not recollect the precise words used on that occasion, but they were in sub stance—Let us grant now what we ought long ago to have granted ; and not because it is asked, not because it is called for— Bis dal qui cilo dat—Let the complaiets of the Catholics be at tended to, lest their prayers assume the language of command : and let not the House refuse to do what it ought long ago to have done. General GASCOYNE was understood to inquire whether the Hon. and Learned Member knew that the petition did not con tain anything offensive to the House ? Mr. BROUGHAM said that there was no expression what ever casting the slightest degree of discredit on the House con tained in the petition ; but on the contrary, it was ouched in the most respectful terms. After a few .words from General Gascon.lE and Mr. Buouoll-AM the petition. was read and ordered to be printed. Mr. IiIIOUGHAM presented several petitions from the Protestant Dissente rs i n K e ndal, prating for an inquiry into the proceedings against Mr. Smith the late Demerara Mis sionary. Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. BItOUGHA3I pri.,ented a petition from Galway, pray ing for a repeal of the Corporation Law. in Ireland. Ordered to be printed. ISLE OF MAN. - Mr. BROUGHAM stated, that he would not present the pe tition from the Keys in the Isle of 31an till this day fortnight. GAME LAWS AMENDMENT BILL. Mr. S. WORTLEY moved that the House should go into a Committee for the further consideration of the Yieport of the above Bill. Sir J. SHELLEY made some observations in opposition to the Bill, which were not audible in the Gallery. He moved, as an amendment, that the Report be taken into further consi deration this day three months. After a short discussion the House divided__ Ayes . _ - - - 103 Noes - . - - 120 Majority _ - - - -17 It was consequently lost. Mr. S. WORTLEY then gave notice that he should bring in a similar Bill next Session. LAW OF MERCHANTS. • On oar return to the Gallery, we found the House in discus sion upon the third reading of the Law of Merchants' Bill. Mr. SCAR I,E rr opposed the Bill. Mr. .1. SMITH s a id t hi s mea sure was anxio us ly ex p ec t e d by the Commercial I n t erest . I t w ould' be hail e d as one o f t h e gr eatest benefits. , Mr. FARR AND supported the Bill. It was then read a third eine And passed. SAVINGS BANKS. Thc.Savings Banks bill was recommitted, and several amend- PA /MIA MENTAR PROCEEDINGS. 1.101:1,E OF COMMONS. 141117 Cr 3-1 0 clic Mail, 1824. ROADS —R enfrewshire ' and Glasgow and Portpatrick (Petition of MerchantS, &c. of Dublin, for the establishment of Steam Boat Mail Conveyance between Donaghadee and Portpatrick, referred to the Committee on the Bill)—Bills reported, be ingrossed. Glasgow and Yoker Bridge, and Purthdinllaen and Pwllheli—Bills read a third time, and passed. EsTAT 8 —Macrae's, Edmondstone's, and Campbell's—Bills read a second time, and committed. 3larquis of Anglesea's, and Maxwell's—Bills read a first time.' CANAT.— Bristol & Taunton, & Thames and Medway KAizkwo n xs—Chehenham birnovzmENT—Leeds BRIDGE—Lary EAST IxmAComrAwY'sAGnrsmtNT LAW MERCHANT AMENDMENT LEATHER AND PAPER DUTIES (Ire land) BANlcgurT LAWS AMENDMENT Bills read a 3d time, and passed. EXCHIQUE (115,4.100:010) HID/CS AND SKINS ISTILLERIES (Scotland) NEW SOUTH WALES CHARITIES INQUIRY IrtcLosuims—lienerglyn (Cardigan)-41111 reported, Report to lie on the table. Wahngate Bar (York)—Bill reported, to be ingrossed. If AUBOUn—Brenogue (Ireland) EQUITABLE LOAN SOCIETY-318MCile,W I (Three Petitions of Pawnbrokers of Man- Chester and Salford, against, to lie on the table) . Bills reported, to be ingtosaed. CITY Or LONDON—Thames Navigation, Coal Exchange, and Orphans' Fund Debts NAVIGATION—Medway DRAINAGE OF BOGS (Ireland) ComPANY—British Gas Light—Petition of' Light Company, against, to lie on the Reading. TITII E - Cockerham—Further time granted for making the Report. NATURALIZATION—Sakes—BiII read a second time, and committed. COMBINATION LAWS REPEAL WITNESSES the Barnsley Gas table till Second SUPERANNUATION FUND ARTIZANS EMIGRATION PAROCHIAL STIPENDS (Scotland) Bills read a second time, and com mitted. MASTERS AND AVOIMMiN HIGHLAND CHURCHES sUlWTONs—Petition of Charles Dunne, &C. against disquali fied persons acting as Surgeons, to lie on the table. COAL Du TlES—Petition against the Duties on Coals, from Proprietors of Glamorganshire Canal, to lie on the table. NOTARlES—Petitions from Roxburghshire, for repeal of the Duties on Licences to act as Notaries Public, to lie on the table. _ . D LE It 1' Laws—Petition from Argyllshire, for a free in tercourse in home-made Spirits throughout the United Kingdom, to lie on the table. WAREHOUSE:I) NVHEA•r Btx.r.—Three Petitions, against, to lie on the table. Bill to be read a third time on Thursday. Mat.•r DUTY (Ireland)—Petition of Maltstera of Queen's County, to be placed on the same footing as those of Eng land, to lie on the table. lIIEssAGE FROM THE Loans—That they have agreed to 'Transfer of Stock Bill, Radnor and Hereford, and Durham and Type Bridge Roads Bills, without amendment; and to Ilulme Improvement Bill, and Abbotside (York) Inclosure Bill, with amendments. That they have passed a Bill, intituled, " An Act for uniting the Rectory of Clifton 3laybank, otherwise Clifton, in the County of Dorset, with the Vicarage of Bradford Abbas, otherwise Bradford, in the same County, and for an exchange of part of the glebe-lands of the said Vicarage for lands of the most Noble Ilenry William Marquis of Angle sey, and the Right Honourable Henry . Paget, commonly called Earl of Uxbridge, his eldest son, in the same parish ; and for apportioning the Rectorial and Vicarial Tithes of the said parish of Milborne Port; and for an exchange between the Warden and Scholars, Clerks of Saint Mary College of Winchester, near Winchester, and the said Marquis and Earl, of the \lanor and Impropriate Rectory, and Advow_ son, of the Vicarage of Milborne Port, in the County of Somerset, and divers lands and hereditaments in the parish of Milborne Port, for the Manor of Sherborne Wyke, and divers farms and lands, and Impropriate Tithes, in the parishes of Sherborne, Bradford Abbas, and Thornford, in the County of Dorset, and for the Advowsons of the said Rectory , o f Clifton Maybank, an d Vi carage o f B ra df or d Abbas. -- _ Also, a Bill, entitled " An Act to repeal an Act passed in the 57th year of the reign of his late Majesty King George Third, entitled, An Act to regulate the celebration of Mar riages in Newfounland,' and to make further provision for the celebration of Marriages in the said Colony and its de pendencies." Also, a Bill, entitled "An Act for settling the Lands of Chilcarroch, and others, in the Sheriffitom of Wigton, to and in favour of Sir William Maxwell, Baronet, and the heirs entitled to take by a certain deed of entail, by Sir William Maxwell, Baronet, deceased, under the conditions and limi tations in the said deed, and for vesting, in lieu thereof, certain parts of the entailed Estate of Drummodie, in the said Sheriffdom, in certain Trustees nominated by the said Sir William Maxwell, deceased, for the purposes of the Trust, and for other purposes therein mentioned. NOTICES OF MOTIONS FOR THIS DAY. 1. Mr. Brougham—Proceedings against Mr. John Smith, late Missionary at Demerara. 2. Mr. Brownlow—To refer. Petition concerning Roman Ca tholic Association to the 'Committee on the state of Ireland. 3. Mr. Goulburn—Bill to renew Insurrection Act (Ireland). 4. Sir John Newport—To refer Petitions against the Orange Association to the Committee on the Disturbed Districts in Ireland, and to direct the said Committee to. inquire, and to report how far the Act of last Session against Secret So cieties has been found effectual. ORDERS OF THE DAY FOR THIS DAY. 1. Usury Laws Forfeiture Bill—Second Reading. 2. Lancaster County Courts Bill—Committee. 3. Fisheries Bill—Further consideration of Report. 4. Butter Trade (Ireland) Bill—Second Reading. 5. Silk Manufacturers Wages Bill—Committee. G. Grand Jury Presentments Bill—Committee. 7. Connor Benefices Bill—Second Reading. B. Equitable Loan Society Bill—Third Reading. 9. Saving Banks Bill—Report. 10. General Turnpike Act Amendment Bill—Report. 11. Dublin Police Bill—Report. 12. East India Goods Bill—Committee. 13. Transportation of Offenders Bill—Committee. 14. New-street (Mary-le-bone) Bill—Report. 15. Impounding Distresses (Ireland) Bill—Further considera tion of Report. 16. Tenants Relief (Ireland) Bill—Further consideration of - Report. 17. County Gaols Bill—Third Reading. 18. Cocoa Nuts, &c. Bill—Committee. 19. Highland Churches Bill—Second Reading. 20. Fishery Bounties—Committee thereupon. 21. East India Trade Act—Committee thereupon. 22. Warehousing (Ireland) Bill—Second Reading. 23. Duchy of Cornwall Bill—Second Reading. 24. Mauritius Trade—Committee thereupon. NOTICES G IVEN YESTERDAY. Monday, June 14 Mr. Brougham—To present Petition from House of Keys, Isle of Mann. Tuesday, June 15. Mr. Dominick Browne—Establishment of a Roman Catho lic Church in Ireland, in connection with the State, SOUTH AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE. TO THE EDITOR OF TIIE SUN. Stu—Probably you or some of your political friends may oblige the Public by replying to the following queries : Can any good reason be assigned for the si lence of Ministers resvcting the state of the Spanish A merican question, so long after they have received the dispatches brought from our Atnbas‘ sailor to Spain by Mr. ELLIOTT, and which con tained the final decision of the Spanish Govern' ment ? Is it true that an eminent Opposition Member of a distinguished Assembly expressed an inten tion of putting some questions, in his place, oil this vitally important subject, to an official guar' ter, but that he suddenly relinquished his pur• pose, on its being intimated to him that a prema lure explanation would be more injurious than otherwise to the very cau.e which he wished to serve, inasmuch as any expression of the present views of this country on South American affairs must be more prejudicial even than silence to their prosperity ? Will Great Britain permit the powerful expe dition now preparing in Spain to set sail for South America, during the continuance of the French Army of Occupation in the Peninsula PARIS PAPERS. [From the Conttitutionnel.l ats, MAI( 28.—The Prince de Polignac, .Ambassador at London, is not yet arrived in Pa.. ris as we yesterday announced, but he is expected every moment. His expected arrival give➢ rise to many political conjectures. Some say that he is to enter the Ministry, others affirm that he is to be present at the approaching Congress, when' the Sovereigns of the Holy Alliance are to deli berate in person respecting the affairs of Soutik America and Greece. PORTUGAL.-The Indicalett/. of Bourdeaux gives some new details respecting the events of Portugal, from a letter dated Lisbon the nth Ma v " The Infant Don Miguel, it is there said, left the Palace of Bemposta on the 29th of April, ut ten o'clock in the evening , under the pretext of ordering the extinguishing of the fire which' had broken out in the street of St. Benedict. It appears tha t ,. this fire had been premeditated, and it lasted only a quarter in an hour. But at midnight the Infant run through all the bar racks spreading a rumour, that it was wished to assassinate the King, the Queen, and himself--then he gave orders to the troops to assemble at three o'clock in the morning, on the Ws' cio square, to exterminate the Freemasons. He then aban doned himself to all the violences of which an account has been given. 'When sent for to the Palace of his father, he seemed to repent, and solemnly promised to meddle no more with Government ; but it is probable that his counsellors excited him to break his word, for he did not change his conduct- Lisbon was in a dreadful situation ; two regiments and a battalion having remained faithful to the Infant, civil war mat dreaded." The following is the manner in which the King quitted Lisbon : " His Majesty expressed a desire to go to dine on the 9tki ll his Pah:c of Caxias, in the lower part of the River, and 1 11 " vited the Infant there, who had been on the other side of the water. seethe embarked at Belem, his Majesty appeared . t° desire to English vessel, the Windsor Castle, which was anchored in the middle river. On arriving on board, th e King issued orders to arrest the Infant, which was imrie" diately executed. The real head of this revolution, adds the correspondent, is the Queen ; the Infant acted according to he r suggestions, and had in the first line in his suite, the - lilarqU'S . d'Ahrantes the son." The Indicateur terminates by saying, that the entrance of the French fleet off the mouth of the Tagus, at the call of the French Ambassador, had been announced ; he has also, it is said, de manded troops by land, but it is presumed that it will not be necessary for them to cross the frontier. ( From Galignani's Messenger.) PARIS, MAY 29.—(Stock Exchange, May ( . 237 Five o'Clock.)—The market has been very dull, notwithstanding the approach of settliug dap- - The price of Stocks has experienced a &diner which is attributed to the fall in the English Funds, and the uncertainty of the decision of the of Peers relative to the reimburse ment of the Five per Cents. • Viscount de Flavigny, Secretary of the Dry bassy to Lisbon, set out on Thursday from parts, with dispatches for M. Hyde de Neuville.—it is expected that the report upon the law projec t for septennial elections will be brought up t° the Chamber of Deputies to-day. [EXTRACT OF A LETTER FROM CONSTANTINOPL S P OF THE 25TH ULTIMO.] The Ottoman Ministers being desirous to prove to the Greeks that the wishes of the Powers Of Europe are favourable to the Porte, proposed O r the European Consuls to freight vessels to trans" port the troops of Egypt and Natolia, which are destined to be landed in the Morea ; the Consuls urged their neutrality, but the Porte insisted the Greek-, Senate had already addressed, through the medium of the Senate of Ipsara, energetic re presentations to the Councils residing at Smyrnot complaining of the secret succour which was af forded to the Turks, and declaring that 64 could not spare any hag which was abused fo r the purpose of furnishing arms, a mmun iti on , an d provisions to their enemies. A letter from Trieste, of the 15th instant/ states, that Ibrahim Bey, who had rebelled against the Viceroy of Egypt, and made himself master of the citadel of Cairo, has received aye' cret finnan, appointing him to the Vice-Rovaityl which was delivered by the Envoy of the l'orte• This firman promotes him to the rank of Cow .. ralissimo of the Ottoman forces. SITTINGS OF THE 28TH INST.—The Order of the Day was the renewal of the Debate upon the reimbursement of the 5 per cents. The Minister of the Interior, and the Marquess Hebbourell e , spoke in favour of th e p ro j ect ; an d t h e D u k e 0 1 Choiseul upon it. . -- FRENCH FU NDS.—PARIS, MAY 29.—Five per Cents.lo 4 .' Bank Stock, 2002. 50.—Neapolitan 5 per Cents., in duca, t 4; 95 in Francs, 101.—. Renter d'Espagne, 19.—Royal Span' Loan, 64 4.--Exchange on London : one month, 25. 15 , " three months, 25. 10.—(fours Authentique, May 29.) BOW-STREET.—(Tins DAY.) A Gentleman, resident No. 7, Euston-place , was summoned by a Hackney-coachman, under the following circumstances :-A)n Friday last the servant of the above Gen tleman called him off the stand, and 'after keeping him an hour at the door told him he was not wanted, and refused giving hi"' any thing for his time. The Gentleman disclaimed all know led ge of the affair, but admitted that coaches were hired on the night in question, as he had a large party at his house. Mr. Ml:Tann x.y. told him that he must pay the fare and expences, which he accordingly did. DEt Stip Alit toff; c;1 f `; 1 11 11 law Sto Go. Go, Cit 14y