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1 taY, arid prziying,theiroust to stop the course of n %l ea. rash, and infatuated Administration, and preserve the peace of the country. he SPEAER said, that it was now for the Douse to judge front what thev_had heard wh - e. tiler the Petition was tor the Property Tax, or against it. After a few words from the Chancellor of the Ex clitvier, Mr. iIOHNER stated, that ,he Was certain the feeling of the House would be, that the rifles should not be enforced when a Petition came from a most numerous and respectable portion of our fellow.citizens. In the 'Petition, the Property TAx s'us merely stated as one of the grievances of which they complainell against his Majesty's Mi nisters, but no deSire was expressed that the Bill 1,1;n1d not pass into a law. The Petition merely . prayed, that a weak; rash, and infmuated Admi, nistra - tion be no longer allowed to rule the coun try. He,, herefore, did not think the : objection in point of form could attach to it. Mr. B. BATHURST contended that the Petition eas not meter' directed against the Administra tion; /if so, it might be received without any,ob jection. The converse, however, appeared to be the case, and the Property Tax was opposed as O F measure of Ministers. He therefore thought the Petition fell within: the rule which would pre vent its being i•eceived.% Sir J. NEWPO RT thOiVit the House would d e -, mean itself if i t gave to the rules an interpreta tion by. no means intended. Mr. Serjeant BEST said, that if the two first lines of. the Petition were read, they would be found to contain one of the trrossest and most in - (anions libels son the Constitution of the Country-. Those who had, signed the Petition knew it would not be received, and intended it merely as an in • sult to the House., Mr. WHITBREAD contended that wiser people thin the Learned Gentleman could not know whe ther the Petition Might - not be received, as it w o uld remain for a majority of that House to decide. It only prayed to stop the course of a weak niatration, ready to plunge the country into a Nvar, which would create the necessity of renew ing the Property. Tax. The Liverymen of London had been unhappy this time in having the Hon. karonet for their Representative. If he was their representative. in that House, be was also Coun sel against them, and his pleading - against the wishes of his own Constituents had been more able than that of the Right Hon. Gentleman op, Posite He could not believe that any li nes o f Petition contained a gross libel on the Constitu tion, as the Hen. Alder Man, whilst earnestly praying the House trot to admit.it, would certain- , /17_ have pounced upon them. He trusted that the Hoti , e-„,tit of complacency to the Hon. Barotiet, and the Mi n i sters , wou ld not comm i t an ‘injus, tice towards the Liverymen of London, who it WaS acknowledged bad been legally convened.- Mr. Pct, contended, that the Petition recited several grievances, this tax among the rest, from which it prayed to be relieved, by stopping the career of Government. This was a - direct prayer 'against the tax. How dangerous the consequences of establishing sucii a pie.cedent, as would be cre ated by receiving this Petition. A. Petition may be received against any pending _tax, mergly by mixing it up with other matters, if this were al- lowecl. He would :lilt whether the removal of Mi nisters would content the petitioners. Mr. TIERNEY maintained that it was merely a Petition for Peace,. and against the conduct of the Administration. Every Gentleman who op posed it stated a different ground. He hoped the House would not screen unpopular Ministers from baying their unpopularity recorded. Would the Hon. Alderman say, that the Petition 'had been voted as a Petition against the Priverty Tax, for on this. rested the whole question'? - Mr. WALLACE opposed the I'ctitioa. 3,1 r. BARING, althotigh he differed with the sen timents of the Petition, with 'respect- to war, nearly as much as the lion. Alderman, thought doubts might be entertained whether the Petition, even it it were positive against the Tax, might not be received, as that Tax was not a new one, but Merely to be continued. The best plan would be . to allow the Petition to be read, and then to decide upon it. 'Lord COMPTON thought the only way to clear the point as so many eminent men -entertained doubts upon it, would be to allow the Petition to be read. As it had been seated that it contained offensive matter, it would ,be an act of. pusillani mity to get rid of it in any other manner. After a few IV 0 lids front Mr. Wm. SMITH and the CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER, • Mr.- PoNsoNnydeclared th a t he hail never wit nessed . such ,a debate, nor seen an Hon. Memb er a presenting Petition and endeavouring to per suade the House not to allow him to perform the duty which he • had engaged to perform. The House ought to be rather astute in. finding rea sons to receive instead of rejecting the petitions of, the people. The petition did not prey directly tipt the •tax.should not be enacted. It was di rected against the war and his Majesty's Mi uiters fur the - course which they were pursuing, and it cub not 'be wise or prudent in them to endcavtiur to strain the rules of the House in der to oppose its adinission.• Mr. lIOLME SUMNER saw no objection to read the Petition, as he thought the mention of the l'soperty Tax in it was incidental with the rest of ti:e ItleaStirer complained of. The SPEA"KER said, it was a clear rule of the House, that every Hon.i\letnber presenting.a,Pe tition, was bound to state its -embstance, on which the House would form its j u d gment, whether it sliotit ‘ tl be read by the. Clerk of the House. The role was cleat-; the °House would not receive any Petition against any Tax-voted in the Ways and .i'leans of the yeal. The question N‘ias then put for the reading of the Petition, and carried - Without The 1-'et it ion harin been read, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that it any.donbt remained on the minds of the }louse, it must now be completely removed. Th e Ntition was directly against the renewal of the rroperty Tax.—(No, no, from the Opposition.) The Petition went through a variety of matter, stating different grounds or complaiAt involving the Property Tax, and concluded by praying the House to take those matter's into consideration,• and to interpose its authority. Although it was desirable.to throw the doors open to Petitions, lie thought the present was mot entitled to be re ceived. Mr. ASERCROMBIS said, that the Petition was not against the Property Tax, which was only in cidentally mentioned. The body of the Petition contained an argument to prove that the 'Ministers of tlis Majesty's'Government were totally wanting to economy, asd as an instance of this mentioned the Property Tax. 'the prayer of the Petition was, that the House would stop the rash career. of his Majesty's Ministers. Even if the Petition was technically wrong, was it decent towards the people to reject their Petition on the principle of technicality;- there ought, on the contrary, to be a leaning to receive the Petition of any portion of the people, if not very much infringing the rules of the House. - Mr..Serjeaut 12.F5.7. had conceived - that there were stronger grounds of objecting to ,the Peti tion on account of its prayer. But though the prayer of the Petition 'was not objectionable, the hotly of it was most highly so.. The language was most disrespectful, and he thought it was the more disrespeclia, as coining from the City of London. It accused the House of being in the habit of not attending to the Petitions of the people, and of being . a corrupt Representation. 'He would vote against the Petition, not :4S praying against the Property 'Tax,. but as containing the most objec timiable and disrespectful language. Sir Fit A S'Z;TS BU IMETT said, that there had be en Petitions with much 3trongerianguage received often before, :and that it this was rejected, it would slim, as strongly as any thing could do, the occasion of such Petitions. He apprehended lie should shortly have many Petitions, complai n _ iug of the same grievances, to present to the timi.t,e. • • Mr. Gr(g/sTFtLL spoke in favour of receiving the Petition., Mr. LITTLETON said, that if the Petition was re jected on the grounds on which it was•opposed, it would, be a precedent most fatal to the right of petition. _ Mr. LOCKHART said, fth.c,it he conceived the Pe tition was highly disrkspectful—it -accused the House of totally neglecting-its duties. It con. tallied such sentiments as ought not to be receiv ed from any place, and least of all as emanating from the City of. London. If a Petition contain.. ingisueb sentiments - was received from the City of London, it would be an example to any other place that should chuse to address the House in unbecoming language. Mr. Alderman ATKINS said, that the Petition . contained language, which he was s orry t o see i n a Petition from the city of London. But it was the language of those who had been habitually in the custom,bf opposing every measure of Govern- . went. He was convinced the sentiments were far from being those of the majority of the Livery of - London. He hoped the house would receive the -Petition. He thought it beneath the dignity of the House to reject the Petition, when he could assure.them that it contained Only the sentim en ts of a small minority of the Livery of London. Mr. Alderman SMITH said, that the last Speaker • - had made use of the oddest argument for receiv ing the Petition that could be conceived. He thought that instead of its being received for be ing the language of a few, -and being against the sentiments of the majority, it should be rejected in this House. • Mr. PRESTON spoke against the Petition. Mr. HOME SUMNER said, that he had delivered his opinion; that the Petition should not be re jected on account of techukaiities. But he would now vote that it be not received on much stronger grounds. The first paragraph he conceive:l-con tained :the most scandalous libel that could he uttered against the House. Tile insult was the grosser,. on account, of coming• front the City of London. It was not because the City of Lou don was great, that disrestiectfnl language (o wards that [louse should be received from it. The City of. London had petitioned against the Corn Laws, and prophesied that if the Bill should be passed, corn would immediately be above 88s. I t was no great disparagement to the House, that it did not yield to the prayer,uor, believe in the pro phecy of that Petition. W. SMITH said, that there *ere Petitions containing the same accusations that this Petition did, on" the Journals of the House. there should be any Petitions presented for a Reform in Parliament, they could be on no other grounds than that the representation was dctectii•e a n d corrupt, and that such a representation could n ot be a faithful guardian of the interests _of the people. Mr, BARING did not think that there were the slightest grounds for objecting to the Petitioh. 111 r. BRACGE BATHURST would Oppose the re ception of the Petition, on the ground o f i ts b e. ing a Petition against th e Property Tax. Mr. FORBES said, that lie saw no reason for n ot receiving the Petition. The House then divided, and the numbers Against the reception of the Petition .... 107 For it , Majority .... • -.4 8 NAPLES. ' Mr. llottivEn said, that he had last peat• moved for papers concerning the negnciations witit Na - pies, but it had occurred to him that those nego ciations may not be concluded, or that they may have been renewed : he wished to know whether either was the case ? as in that case he would in sist on hiS motion for to-morrow. Lord CASTLEREAGH saw no .Objection t o the Hon. Gentleman's, bringing on his motio n in due course. «het► it should come on, lie should act according to his opinion of his duty. INSOLVENT DEBTOR'S COURT. Mr. BENNET said, be had that day received a letter from a prisoner in the King's Bench Prison, complaining ,that he and GO others were detained in conancment on account of Ser jeant Palmer's death. Ile wished therefore to know front the Noble Lord, whether there had Lee❑ any pet son appoint ed in his room. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that he could not answer the Hon. Gentleman's question, but that there Would be nu time lost on the occasion. PROPERTY TAX. On the motion that the House do g o into a Committee on the Property Tax, General GASCOYNE rose to move that there should he an exception with regard to the Army and Navy serving abroad. The gall a nt General went into a detail of the expeuces of an. Qiljcer going on ' foreign duty. &, Lieutenant could not take the field on the Continent under 80t. ; for this he had only an advance of ,twonnotalis' pay.. The ex= change against him was twenty-five per cent. and the Property Tax was a deduction of ten per cent.; so that he received his pay under a loss of thirty five per cent. If the situation of the Military Officer in 1695, under William and Mary,. was looked at; it would most strongly 'plead for an exemption of the Military from the Property Tax at present. In that year there was for carrying on the war a contribution, which was nearly exactly what the Property Tax is now: But there was an exemption then in faVour of the army and navy ; yet the situation of the Military Officer was much stiperior at that time to what it is now. The pay of a Major was then seventeen shillings a day, the very same as it. is now ; and Bs. 6d. of the money of that time was equal to . 1/. now. A Cap:, tain at that time had 10s. a day,, and now he has but 10s. .6d. The military officer was therefore much less entitled to an exemption from any tax than he is now. The gallant General then ad verted to the situation of the military in the colo nies, and that going there was not only running the risque of the life, but absolute ruin. It would seem that the exemption in favour of the army would be a great diminution of the tax, but it would be no such thing. would take the army on foreign service at 100 battalions, consisting each of 1000 men, .and certainly this was takirw it at the very greatest extent. The exemption in 'fa your of those ,worild be but 68,0001. per annum. He was convinced there was not one person ill the country, outside of the House, who would not re joice at this distinction in favour of those gallant fellows, who were fighting the battles of their country. He concluded by m oving, that there be instructions given to the Corrimittee to except from the Property Tax those Officers of the Army - and Navy who were serving on fOreign service, and no others. Sir CHARLES POLE, in seconding the motion, said, that he had no other objection to it than that he did not think it went far enough. He should wish for a revision of the pay of the navy, and he was convinced it would be productive of great bene'fit. He highly applauded the liberality of Government in increasing the half-pay of the Officers of the Navy. But it - shoidd be consi dered that the Officer on service was at !eau equally deserving of an incr'ea'se of pay. , Thedif ference of the half-'pay and full-pay of a Lieute nant of the Navy was now only,Bd. a thy, this was 'hardly fair. He then adverted to the sirper= . animated list, and said that he was convinced of the great benefit that would be derived from a revision of the whole. tie concluded by Again expressing that his only objection to the inotion . was, that it did. not go tar enough, though tie seconded it. . . General GROSVENOR and General lIAR . VEY sup poked the inot;on. \ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCH7O.OER said, that the House had lit`tely paid so Many and such just tributes of praise to the Army - and Navy, that it could not be suppoFed that they would not pay the greatest attention to any measure. proposed for their benefit ; but on the present occasion, as the TaX was tßlast but for k year, be thought an ex-, eruption from it in their favour would he subject ing them to an invidious distinction. Indeed he thought that the revision mentioned by the Hon. Baronet (Sir Ch ar l es Pole) Would he .4woductive of much benefit. When the present motion - shonid be disposed of,. he Should propose something .on the subject. The Right lion. Gentleman de clared his readiness to admit that the condition of those gallant Officers deserved every considera tion ; but that recommendations in their be half mighi be better effected when the collateral services of the Army and Navy came together un der the consideration of the House. Serjeant ONsLow adverted to the sacrifiCes of health and comfort which Officers were obliged to a►ake, as entitling them to every consideration. He particularly descanted on the hardship which the family of an Officer in the army was subjected to by his being killed in ,battle, as they were not entitled tb the advantage of the sale of his com mission, it not being vendible. He, also was of opinion that such Gentlemen were entitled to some consideration on account of the expence of their outfits, when going on foreign service; and added, that their re►nuneration ought not to be put in competition with the sense that Should-be entertained of their services, and therefore they ought to be exempt. . . Lord PALIVIERSTONE was of a contrary opinion to those who thought that Officers were enabled to provide less for themselves when on service than other persons. He instanced the accom modations with which they were furnished in the Peninsula, where they had not to•pay fQr lodgings or forage. It was impossible for Officers •em ployed at home to be as well oft in their circuit"- ... . stances as those employedon foreign service. The disposal of the commissions of officers killed in battle might be an act of liberality towart!s their families, but it would be considered as an insult An the corps to which they belonged. On the whole, - if any exceptions were to be claimed, it ought to be in favour of the Officers at home. . Mr. ABERCROMBIE was in favour of the motion. E he thought that the renewed tax was only in tended to be a temporary measure, he slniald vote he sho u ld w i s h that against any alteration ; b u t if i t was ever t o be ir)co'stponed till th e y came c a l o l u e i e x e a_ m p p e t r io n t i l a s ii s e l i i i ( t ) a r i » d e, i i ) s e u on i n form. The little remains of spay which Of ficers ba-d to receive wh'en they returned from ser vice must be quite inadequate to their necessities. They wsre, therefore, pkoper objects of attention. from the Government;. and he felt convinced, that the Commander in Chief would lend his in fluence to ‘vhatever might coml.:blue to, the relief by some n ew regu l ation respect ot their famili es , i ug the sale of the comMisslons of smell as were unfortunately killed. Mr. FounEs was in favour of the'exemption to inferior Officers of the Navy, on account of their paying so high a price for their slops, which they were not.allowed to sell on shore. Mr. it:lE assured the Hon. Gentleman that those articles were purchased by contract at the cheapest po ss ibl e price; and that the Officers were not oblig e d to phy for t kuri any snore than they were literally worth. After a few words from fronds INJazoN and 4 T ijheiwt A nn .l. lro_ ro t . ' R io lol G l n vu.r e tii. % l. n l, E .e ß ral o il ed, an ii( h i)iloy a itic, t c) l‘l siit. l b oel r ol e ci( : If:e l-1 ) 3 / 11:r ley, igi. Mr was negatived. a close' the: 13 ; 01. Y` io c c t 0---,GAsc;y-- NE I;riefl Y reP of which was to impo , e. on the Commisslun- 5 t he the Affairs of 'Faxes the same restrictions g ie to , Commissioners for the Income Tax wets in liable to, resPeeting their being bound to secrecy, affairs that came before them. e i • h tl i' A long conversation .ensued, in s" le i t hat CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECIVER ObSerVet ,_ as as it was his object to tnak r e tiie Bill s s ini t te le r og possible,- he did not see any'necessity for 3 andllas- _ proposed by the-Hon. Gentleman, oreir Mr• BARING seconded the motionol3°' 1 1 brea d fell, which was also supported by Mr• 11' i ..1 IV, —mith , 1 MIS. Littleton Oil 1 r " Wynne, and finally agreed to. 4,05 11 tho s e p e rnisisloitnile.o c d to n l e s e , d a t (f)tec'o. moved,ti la To e u ri l t t i 1 i i ! ‘ t ' e l 1 authority t r ri i i : 5- I .:a ri l: . _ instruction to the CommittteheatttohearemseitTtlutkhl:rseolocri uislsa,itoianonen(ii.sto.toclgleivcek gtil.ieeater . u hjeetel The CHANCELLOR of the Excitstitio-- ° .os to it, as no 'regulation would be proclucti" ....._ARCLAY urged the necessity Mr. 11 pa l rticularly on account" of' the high Pr' llt n ' es the very a low e d to Commissioners on all the 510601'14e5. which they made.. He lamented thePcii.i°sceerflitrinotto necessaries of life. t i l i t i en of small property, from whom theories,tax is o f t he elatiose; frequently took not so much the lux d• - ana Mr. L OcKHART spoke to the same eineCty vcro observed, that while the lower tradesmeg: her c o l vechaiged, it was pretty evident that the lt . g it. a,ses of commerce did not pay what they 00 . 4 ci3 1 By schedule D. it appeared that the conimeros returns were only three millions, though. it t 5 :possible to suppose that the commerc.al pr°' of this country were no more than 34 millions. Lordr. C. SMITH was against the chase. . cto MILTON recommended a Coomitrep aid , consider c the Act, as the forms of the kit/ us 7 i o f. I a in any other way allow of sittlicient. tlet ai ! „s, conversation to attain all the requisite alteratt°7 of this measure. c After some conversation between the CU A 4 t r : _ELLOR of the EX.CHEGLUER, Mr, Iltistt." "l ' 0 1 ) CijoaboN, M r. W . e ., QinITH, and Mr. LYTV,or A I:.PROTHEROE withdrew his clause. ~. or e The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCIIEQUES then / ro c. posed . his - clause, which he-said, after the ( ~,,.s „ - i e i tt mon which had taken place, it woulciPe st" e - s .. merely to read. Its object was, that the ' iss- ,, s id ment made, or to be made for April,lBls, si“l,--is, be the basis of the assessments of the c°a ll i .," es sc sioners for the ensuing year, without auY ... _ ass l e . ; . 7 . a e s i t l w t. rt conversation between Mr. J. S wit b c 7 e i r r i 14. ` , ` , .:•!thlley, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mf • A s e 0 4 :gTeleP.is,toMr. Lockhart, And Mr. Marryat, the Clau 0 ,-, A ( I t3l fi le t t d cti N ios . , l n l gi L n ir its O ttei N oent n o l t o lai s i d ee l , in t o l u i a tsi t r a islaiinds Act.tructi on shou ld be b.re to received, and the Motion divided, when the ou A A:ua g ini ainst it ....................... ........ •• 15514 / ' and the ntetli:eiodnriouieevriel:estid}:titptolritilvicitoleYtue.fgtd.:rit. a 1 . 1e . C r . 0 . 00 31 . ......................... t . 0 h . a . e 7 : 11.7 : 1 11 ° , es t t tral l " , a atto The other Orders of the Da} , were then disposed el/ -° House adjourned. ____------'-^. LONDON MARKETS, &C. By y ß t E ni ' ce f ls U us dt ll. l. lsi n : g O u it. F: 71,1 s:. 'l ) l sfa r ..o F oldi l n, E ll -A4.;llli7l,lll:„l:f..Avitiol____liialC-pi - ;i1 1, a 1: : : :: y rs ' A AA : . 24 8 ___ aa a tt t 767s3Isss Ott i l 3 1 5 2 8 2 .._._._____------ at i ti 55 13 4 446 Quarters at 805 Od 137 auarters at 66s ", 6 : 1 9 :7 7= a a t t . , 7 , 2 5 s s O od il 1 6 4 3 7 ......-----______ at . 'OJ ' 0 5 1 5 (1° ' .53 ----- Catki 127 ------: -t 6 , 0 °"-- 1 _ 2 at 7,s od '515 ----. a. 63,. 04 228 439 ' at cis 04 at 69s Od 164 -------- : t 5 4 5 Od d /3°° - at 5; A ~_t 5 .5 b5 0... 586 ' at 70s Od 261 ------ -t $9 ott 356 12 -------- 344 - at 50s 0 And 5 quarters, at 455. per quarte.. Total, 6,287 Quarters. —Average 695. OV• Is. 31d. lower than last return• From April 15, • '1 Fr lithe Cocket loco. Sacks'. •d. Sacks. s. d. Sac"' 5 6 . 0 ° OF Straw 19q'-- '7O 0 Fo.Loult, to-- 64 0 44 5 5 s 0 90 68 0 469 57 0' 15 -- 6 7 0 i 20 -- 62 6I 37 5 6 0 Total-9,524 5 66 0 1 140 -- 62 0 I 5 53 7782 65 0 40 ---- 61 0 I 2 ° „ 25• Id. lower than last week. ST. JAMES'S HAY MARKET , 2r • April 41 09 Hay iSacks.—Average, 645. 70- 31 12S ad to 51 lOs Od——Alorge, i t 16s .. u. " NE w&ATIL 11 los ad to 21 as od,---Av crag, yVIIITECHAPEL HAY MARF.O.• 41 03 Oa Hay , pd StraW lll4s Gd to 11 18s Od--Average• 71 a , Clover 6l 12A Od to 71 12s Od---Avera:;e, I[lS- b AND LEADENHALL o j Beef - 04 1 tO 69 ,p 1 3s 4d to 4s 8d Veal ........ 0 ,1 to 5i Mutton 3s 8(1 to 5s 41: I Pork ..... ••• 4s "Lamb; ss. 4d. to 7S. sd. s : l l7 ps at bd , Ships sold• ~, o j. to 64. 23 Newcastle ............ 14j.., ...... 41 '!• o d, to 44 : 00 ., 8 Suhdetiand ... •••• i. ' ••. WWI nurrtis. , sesstree;, - on Saturday mornit4, at her havoc in Coati, a s. James's-squarg-, Mrs. Hastings N. ithddleton, 0 0 1 1 . the 11,i : The same &iv, at Halsted-pi:o:e, the ji et Cazalet, qf a vn. • tcnant-Colb At Brill-House, Bucks, the Lady of Li e % o n. Manner; Sutton, of the Coldstream Guards, ' h p s ter. MAItRIET).. vrc,_,,,, DoOr'n— st.t,. John. liesant, Esq. Ordnance Storviicep ' .-rth On the, :3ntl) Lit. ►t ► Sreein;ick, Captain James _ ~f . IV, Triesd4Y, t!►e 25th ult. at All Saints Churc. .:_.., to pp.. Sucan M"tirn both of the above l ,J ac e• wirwici;, r,t, C`u"r" Higlilandurs, to Agnes, eldest daughtej Cra►vford,-.Esq. Hill-end, Gre en (lac. lt BpBitc O hx 7 y. aEtr).l3. ferghtai~► a fit °f and of Thursday, County of Leitrizonf, imam Gore, Esq. t tr ee ursdaY, the 20th ult. at hi, hoe s; ;1 ; 3 , 7: ors. 05' On Greenwich, Thomas Masterson, EA. J" the 24th ult. in Caroline -place, COI On th • • 21,11,411 t. at his house at. Islingto . 11 Harrison, Esq. F.R.S. ' Taro s ~►laY ° ~ ' p to Esq. W" On Sunday last at bis house ®~ Laurence 13jraclicaern-ds.treet,.Toitoins;::c «'illialn'l'l~un~l,s<►n, .Esq. after repeated attacks of al'"r cr oen - LONDoN by J. 13. CAltti'rAiltS, No. 7 000, ; and publi.shed by IV. A.SCItIPP' ° overti"l at the Strs-OFfrcs, No. Ile, Strand ; "'hcre rddresse.(l, 43entsa Ortier,S,Vlas (post-paid), tstc. 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