The Sun. — London, England, 1820-05-06 00:00:00

ac' might, be, nut Sat 13 elloligli r of their tons, ref' —ill 8 Cabe tlciiiilsoni to be pram , (101(1 neg m ring their lent ; 1114 ()use, and !it merits' ) were fti- French iLa )EI Cadiz. he nif.lioti which it mid in . alt knowiug to Come ir were id. II altar her' rent le Ina Li, ley might" )tild ifill noe ght de. Inotirid4c; ete ills just Said, lotted ILO- !ChißM'. have ec- a1)(1 thi=, tioit for id tikli SAY Dr++i+s. List' ol Sir it t end irrit I be' CT 311Cile 11)Se, 1)14. his wiiit:ll rs• egi s t ladies; " the whicit 4111'11,11ot' rose° I glory, jci th, is with:it cd Corole, ;e Droits, i`IUI► - vv het her ? • fir ,a ti cinl; e thv )1c h-et Cd it h Wit ti,a y to I?acd vt as (tile- ing tytcltAie a kitil of sonrcii ,l9 ' c St! LI- i 5 Cargo 11) !lei!" II; some It might ltlllErl 1.1 ,0 his to SIC 11 it t04,1c vi ay —.he bdtl theY Micas 1011, tr osigin ich 0040 . cer' Sovt reign in a viler' might. leis. Lie* eight of . 1 t vv 4 l iration 01 e Crowor tut 1)0005 'a to look 01 there sval an-1 t , thet in the 121 . h .of Chadei the etontl . , which I icts the surrender, liy Act of ?ornament, +ot the •I nights' service anti wardship. Hi had omitted 40 mention the 4 per cent. West Indiel. tie aid not constokr that in the sante light. flow,. br b y what progress of abuse, that food had' lotind'its- way into the possession .of the Crown, , did not know. ntir tad he. beetr . olite to trace. It Was Granted originally.by the A‘sembly of Bar, badoes it, the year 16G3, , or the P"ril°se 6t' de rayin incitlent to the GovernMent of that groin (vent it hail got by degree§ to . . be usurped by the Parliament, of his country, anti in this transact ion alone there Was enough to anew the necessity of emluding,t hese Droits frrilli the PaTreinage' of the Croton. 1n the first itisia'nee this hind belotvged to the-Islaml,:and not to .tbe Mother Countryi. the ((other Country got hold. of it, the Paili..metit got it, and the .Clown 1.!Ot it from the Parliament. hu seyet Acts; it was to.umerated as part of the hereditary reve . ritieS. ' , The Island ealne forward, and Cuniplailled cif OP! t o tal misappropriativnof the fund, which .had been oliginollyitoeudell fOr keeping it, lepai, Fettain tooilications and . hi,ilditu. of the 61af,d,. ttlinishin t Cher ni.44eizittes - , Tie petition Was . o tt C,tuntit tee, is bn reprdted:!hat the littitioners were, right, aid had jos, cOoSe of coo plaint. Au address was made to Queen AOtte'ott th r subject, wt.o, in -consequence, gave directions . , that* the fitud'sbouldbe given'stp, and Boni that' moment it haul been lost sight ot, and it now ap ared in the hands of the CrOwn 4 .• . The. history theut Whole.t ben, was, Parliament took it from ( he 4laniteiS=the islanders couiplaine4-;-Parliatueitt trwmises hs give it boa attain --- it s stops - half ‘l s .t'y, and remains with the Crown. 1 - e hod noW , one through - the whole of the subject, and he troAted the lionke would believe that . he regretted inort th , elargv portion of their time which he had occupied, than the trouble he had himself had its the details of the estion. All that he nom I#ig . ged of them' tb consider %Val, that the argu 'lndus. which had been otred when it was Wrought torViard !ailed , nOW ; tts they Were now arranging a neWtivil It'qatel)- - I) they refused • now; to go into • this ingiriry upon it view - of the isA , of the subjec't, of its principle, tipon - its analogy with inecedents and pa.'allels of thriller thnes=it they refused now to doe away the thAlesi of blots On Ot...national character, and shot the - door It o» the "c'alittnnies of Onr - enetnieS, Ility . yroold at once - teltise tbe.ooy - mode that' re *killed securi , y.tO the, Constitution arid credit ti)ltie 'Crown, They Would . remenilier that . tbey could' n t do at h future day what they refused to that night ; but that - the Droits . wOOld rehmiu far ever, : and perpetuate the stigma on the CllB-• I'eter of this country. In conclnsiOn, the Hon. 4,4 1 Leatlleit Gentleman moved the following Atesolivion it is expedient, for 'the tniiire proper arran4ementnf tieil-List, to talie into consid e ratton' the Drotts of . " the Adn i i ro ,t l y, the 4,1 per Cant. Fond of 'Wet India Doty, te'ftz t iiids not usually considered to he under the tont toll trliolientreut . , in order more effectually to make such . provi p-tv i ct,n;istentiiriththe honour and dignity of the i;!'own aro: fire i,,tertst of the subject." —(Cheers.) .; Cos vttNG contended — , in an elotintnt speecli, • i`gainst what he deemed the intended innovation tin the ltotiOttr Oignity thY4 Croirit in re tioying Ile e(int..roill of llcse toads.. . tre . thought molt ungracii . ,iis return for 1 1 .‘e declaration !A the Sgtrrcig st 'hat lie %vit.:bed no addition to the t't'iticturr,t 0t . '116,. to vegnire an exarnitiao-ion into thase accounts, in order.rto see, that as there %rea lm ti.. - ficitncy c o , ni plitiactl.ot, if lees wo,.1(1 not, do. In rt ply to the algr,tnent, of t!,e lion. Gentleman Iss to the d , fret e ttee of pensions granted by Pat lia• 'ent and those by the Crown, the pit.a of the •Gentivovto Was the one be b:rnielf should lave used. to prove how lunch tunic hern , liei•ily 'and t 4 Otto Ml, •liy tltttt 11441(1 managed 'tsnfiet •be•patronage or a King than of . .he Parlia 11Vent. As be preferred the Spirit of a mo narchy to that of an open democracy, 'so he wool,: rather see that fund disp,sed of by - the CrOnro, than subjected to the captious often:me , tilz -110115-44eirerosity which might be evinced in the *rants from it by Parliament. It was a r,:ric;,;. "character t-O give a fluid, thy first pentior on Vliich was tord 'Chadians, and the last But k c, to ‘tlal• it a secret otte. Surely the roost b . unglir:g 'otivisers of Government could not hive selected' I ' l '6 such tinforlinate names' to . ccin . nect. Vliih l ereey. Mr. Burke was hiinstli an economical I.l ormer, and yet he' had consented to recieiv'Sl , is trnsion from this fund. 'Would be have talsen . 11, e money if lie had not felt that' he had g „ 0(1 El'ottnds for so doing Itc4r, bl•ar . !)— entrid env Gentleirtan Ilejle then by i si,Jre to l iirttinish the weight of that great ,1111311'S nitrite iuul °Pinions, or suppose that either cotittl te affected El a tHitet ? If so he envied not his feeling, , , he hsirt'd not to po s sess his mind or affections. 13;if, I le (Mr. Burke) was as far tint of tite reach Of svy now, as tie was above emulation in his life.. e (Mr. Canning) hail only inautiuned this, to I :hew that in accepting his peolott, Mr. , Burke , 414 (1 felt that his rielit,could not ire clogged at the '''lttOtn, Mr. Burke had himself stated, that. tlen he prepared tits retormation of ,the Pension AlB t lie and his friends had this' fund in toll Fiery, but were aft aid to meddle with it , well flowing its character acid uses. For his own I; 4 ' t, he would coact to the Honourable Memo "-, that it would be as' well in future to Lty the if counts of that fund and i ts appli c ation before `"liantent as a matter of course, its the begin ttgig or each :.ession. ile next sitevved t'lat out 9,7 00,0001. Di °its of the,Admiraity. 5,372 ; 000! been paid to captors ; of the remaiNder 1,000,0001. half been applied to the public services, )300 #0001. in Aid 'of the - Civil List, 40,0001. in ftdhe of the 4i per cent. west India revenue; remainder, which hAd - been spent among the I,7tti Family, and in the entert moment of foreigt) • ,111"( es, amounted nitogethet to 3 76,0001. every 1 16 g of which was' communicai hts ed to Yac. " 11 - • He' questioned the accuracy of the state d: of the lino. Member, as to the 42 pet' cent. ( 4 l es, anti he denied the danger. of tr.stin4 the Ice! 'lnten t w i t h t h e con ls tro' of the :1;11161'41(Y The Right Hon. (7enileman con i tied, 4 1 : , t- ' , o far from the interest which the C:rowit ta iiot t in the Dioits having operated as 88y tent!). to War, 'bat it, mote than three or four t * nets it had a ct prescryeil *is lit race in I)kti lcul,er, he vvutiltl trtnitid the Hollow able and Lear'net relitlemsn of the cese of tlie SWedish conVoy, ill which the power 4:f the CrUWit over the Droits had enabled it to prevent a war. It was the pride and priviiree of• essemblies like that House, to ltrok with a jealous eye oil :he ehareets-r, on that subject to entertain err-Ilona tit the tnost'hielt and romantic bonintr. Theo lie could contend that to avoid war it was necessary that it should rem-,in under the control of 'lie Crown, until every chilli, either or captors oe others, had been adjii. • t.;ct ed It ought till then to reniain out of the sight, out of the knowledge of 11:e lilt iis isoowledge be melitit ; to'r wire they to Conte down t•-, iiret House and iay, the Crown has seized t certaiii• tiiierbee of ships, what Witold roltow i-vl 7 ll, that whoteVer reasons of policy tit gin exist to rend,' it expedient not to . coetioue. the war, the national booOtrr Would be et'ontiiit ted, end they would he- compelled to periever.,olet hatever inotives woulA forbid. He wax stir prised to find the -Hon. Lied Leinted Gentle met) had , tatteti praetical ativatitages or goOd grounds in getterkd poecy . , for the alterioion which he propoie,!, which could- Antince the House Au eo more than the Ministers were willing fo d;t. l'ltey , Were dez„o oils of stibitiitting toTal litimeto theoecrooncor evely item ut the' droits'ai they arose, troos the first nucleus wirier Was form ed even to the last particle : that security they were reatii ; but ass A tight of t::e Crowd existing- and exerted as all rights ought to be for the heitefit of the people,• he most contend for its preset vr.tinn.—(lieer.)—The only temptation hsch Intl !trio held out to them to depart front es;ahliStied. usage, 'an''' delay . the Civil List, wasoo rub out all traces of a feudal ,monatcliy; and to reduce the Sovereign to the simple state of the President of the United States. He was cer taihFy deSirous that his prejudices should never stand jut he way of any public good, yet he mint coiiiesa th a t be was one who did not wish to get rid of those traces of the olden time which re tuaioed to us. 1-le kueiv tbat nothitig was more easy and aimple than haVing a stipendiary King, acid there'avise' lintone 'step turibee to take, Which he marvelled' the Learned Gentleman had not proposed, and that was, that the Millisters and Officers of the King sboiild be approved. if ,not cbdien by-that Houle. Voe his pail, he did not think. that the monarchy would be more useful by iteitigeparated. from the dross of ages, nor would those Gentletneit who had twined twit opinions . Nolo those of Paine, be hit more sa tisfied Vibe Crown was stripped hifore them of. every jewel it possessed.-e-(1 - lear, hear !)—He ditiotot tkiink'thatie could be desirable to destroy those ~..Pores of eircionvella:ton, which were drawn round the person of the Sovereign by the inter visition' of his Tslioisters, and through them, lie 'thanked God, the at ms of traitors lutist break be fore they could toueli the person of the Stiveßige. --e-(Hear, heer-I)—Any measure, therefore, Which tended to separute the Sovereign front his legal astlvisers, would be deeply to he deprecated. The Honourable aurl Lealned Gentleman had anitised himself and the House bYei t Pcoieg o'llteir view certain incongrunns items of the Civil lAA ; but. highly es lie admit ed that Leerited Gentleman's talents in all his ,exertioes of .them, he must say • he was astonished at the few advantages r he bad proposed r u induce 'hens to adopt his ideas :•in deed he had. aimself, at the close of his speech, furtriseal'as sufficient refutation of his notions, for he had told thew that he It4tl otot made up his mind whethei ;lost it - isolated, that stineadisry King, should or !itittlil no , ' have the poses to chissehis i ps o ...its. hold. If he .1 iii not mode up hik• mind on this subject, his pi.in was still as open to' ridi cule as- the . preseoit arralgernetr :‘ tailless indeed Iris Sovereign was to pot - his household onboard w ges,an:l dine.himselfar a chop-Noose, ortierwise oh' monstrous peetlision! he 'nigh be guilty of having more 'isliet'ort the tunic titan . he torrid hiaself eat ; audoltoreh io e s, t algb „et rid of the, , tronby I,Ticar of !he told the worthy lions at the Yow.o..also--(Lsogliiiig) yet lie must still toisiotai o oceourits of groceries, of h o tter and of Hain, of oranges" an] leturins.; he must still hase a stationer, to brazier, and a joiner-=(Laughter) —lie would still have to enter charges of beer, hie'tid - ,' and • But all these he hatl not merle tip his mind to do without, and to these points its Much ricltcalc •toultt attach as to those he wonid so unsparingly discard. He bad expected thee the 1 - ina. and iotarbell Gentleman's plat] ts , (stild nave contained some great practical adroit'. lages, anti he was'. witch disappointed to find it simply' a - plan for dividing lee King tront - t be spiencionr aud-stao.. ,+t:h ought to attach to him --sea tsoe'ect 4'S little worthy the trial as it was in viihißis anti objectiottuble‘ All the objections now urged were in existence at former periods, when tOe Civil 'List was reeked ; and at every jeep aome improvement bad bteo effected ; it the greater io!elligence 'which now prevailed on the subject was considereditogether with the le . ss deefee of complexi on t'oe siihket, It wotild be though: that though not the sunitutint bonunt, yet !bat tittle remained to be complaiired of. Ile thought that every thing WhiCh Was es ' sen ' tial was done -previous to the settlement . iii 1816 ; and the only tendency of the present proposal , wes, by separating the Sovereign troth bis servants, to render his person inorenronsitient than at present. He could not think it 'necessary to cut nom 'the Crown every ancient jeovel which adorned it, or to destroy that illusion, not delusion', which resulted (root 'heir splendour ; he was not for tearing, the drapery from the Monarchy which both supported and tolortred it. Altogether, he thought the object ill-hdvised and ill-sopportA ; if indeed any new demands hed been made by the Ministers, or any the lightest indication given by the-Crown of a' wistr to add to the bur& fig of the country, then die House might indeett be carried further than they originally intended to go. But there had not beets a bit of argument adduced to' induce the House to forego- the betiefi;s of en arrangement which had had the advantage of four years satis factory expetience. • Whets he considered also the .gracious wishes of his Majesty to save his people all unnecessary expense, as evinced by his giving op to the t 1 sposal of the 110113 , e funds applicable to otter services, but which loot fallen in ; to these he thought they would make a very tin:various re ,Oen, it they enter silted the mut i4)n of the Learned !tenth man. - The Ministers, he contended, had 'done all that they ought to do but he was firm n 'the maintenarkce .of every right of the Prom s . tench was nor costly to the People or injurious it; the . Cipnstitution —(Hear, .bear, hear !)—He adinitted that, technically ...peaking, it Was a new ing.which they were o:bating, hut reality it was not ; in some eases the thing was . changed ,vhile the person remained the tame; but here the person is changed but not the office.. The Hight Hon. Gentleman concluded his.speech by siying, that tie thought no suet) alterations as proposed neeeqs.ii y ; they' would, if cart i,-(1 illtk) effect, cause "no difference, no saving of expense ; or, if a difference was made, it would be the other - way. The Ministers hail redeeoied their plyilge; they had added nothing ; no augmentaiion Was either asked or desired, and iv hat ‘v.is more, it never bid for one moment been in the contemplation of Ministers to advi s e an filfgtaellThltiOn. It wah the . :tore necessary to observe this, as ! ,, Ch 3 report t 1 Id been in very teenerat circulation. He then moved that the House du pass to the*Order of the Orly. Mr. 1.4110i1G11A14 and Mr. CANNING Mutually CXpinitied. Sir JAMES IIA'CKINTOSI - 1 said, thitt if his'conduct in that Hittite wa's governed by any other than motives of public duly, he certainly should not by choice have to close in con tact with tire, brilliant speech of his Hon. and Learned Friend, neither should he by choice set iiiinsclt in oe- 11 Sitou to the , tend eloquence of the Right Win. Gentleman' optiesite. In answer 'to the Speech of his Learned and Ilan: Friend, a speech so enttrely exempt ‘t * ciima all the usual olijeetions made to those coating from tbatside of the House, he had expect . hare heard so-aething in reply, except the brilliant fal lacies of the Ri . ,,nt Hon. Gentleman, which be would now set himself to expose; he would examine Isis points, for he could call them arguments, though he did not wish to wee l .en the general effect of his speech, notwithstanding he 'oished to fasten on them the feudal King against which his Honourable Friend' had protested. 1-le 'Should like to be informed by the Right Hon: Gentleman hued our ancestors bad been employed (in those good olden times so:admired by bins), front the accession of Wilikaal..the Conqueror—why, from the time of Magna Charta down to the abolition of Wards and Liveiiei; they were occupied in taking away from that feudal systens i . the attacks were first commenced by the' Barons at Runnymede; and since then they hid: been, edit- • tinued to this day. His Lion, Friend had admitted that since the days of Charles 11. no Minister had advised a war as the means of filling the /Nehequer. But it was not that the posseSsioirof this fund was a temptatioss to declare war, but it was a temptation to go to war without declaring it. He slid not sas it was se, but lie deprecated the Crown otissessing - thiS power, becanse in the eyes of foreign patioirs it was viewed with, -jealousy ; And without abating as iota of ourmaritime rights, bewould still say, that he should be t eady (novrio time of peace, when it could onlyhe'impated to a sense of justice and not to - weakness) to abolish all that only rendered us °dins wit hoot being formidable. The Honourable Member then asiverto tollse'cOnsiti'et - of Amerlea, alto before the war of 18i2 giae months' notiee,to alt well vessels to quit their ports. and in soine'instances even extehdetilhe time. The power of the • Aintrican Governmeot , to • do, this was disputed by the, Stat e of Misssaelmseits. The spiestion Was teii.4l tar to a Jury', and they deCided that it, Was - riglitly done, And in cent witlethe law of nations, and , what wit singular) to Magrin Chartti.. one 'of thoSennonnments of 'that olden time to. which his Hoonuarule Friend lola spoken. 'The Droils (uring the Amei ican war', 'he belis-ved, amounted to half' • a million; ant :he aosuan• given to their Commissioners at Ghent. wan claimed rss'itntion, was, that it couhl not he'ruirde, as the food was in the powerof,thc Crown, and the money diSpase t of. Aftej . this taut, .could we wonder at the jealousy of this fund.by foreign •cOuntriei-I The foolish •Antereiani refer'eo itlagort;Cisarta for the low of nations ; but his lcy,lit•Hon. Friend looked to the time of the seieure of the `mayrtta fleet. It wan very true, that, in the case of the SvediS., Convey,' the Crown barivz this fund, weee enabled 'to make compensation; but the argument was. founded on the assumplitio, that under no other, arrangement of the fund could such compensation have beini made. Bat if he could slsew that, such arrangement. could he made, then the Whole of the Right Himont - Mile Gentleman's classical speech fell to the grouted, for lie had- engaged only to answer I,ls reasoning, not. to rivdl his eloquence. He thought that a committee could in !self .an boar infrke every arrangement which was neressery ; in fact he hasl . st Bill in his hap(' fully equal to the purpose, which he bad prepared four years ago, but he had liven induced to postpone it till this, which was then considered as the mina proper time, and in this mistake he was accompanied ,he others, fur they had treard a series of declarations—('!'!ear, hear, hear!;-- that this would be the most proper tune for the full and free discossieis of the subject.—(Hear.)—Tire Hutt. Mem:e. r com plained of the fallacy of spreading the amount of droits re ceived over a space of 60 years, although above eightmillisins had heels received during -20 years, during which his Majesty bad enjoyed a revenue of 400,000 t. per minim not voted or cognisalde by Parliament. He argued that if this could h a v e 'heels knowtr a t the c o nonencementlof the' late King's reign; when the Civil. List was proposed, it would have been a most important circumstance in regulating the amount of that Prs-' vision, and as this was a fluctuating fund, it could not be known what the revende would he ; and therefore the tuc-a sure proposed was proper as'a prelinnuary step before a Par liamentary grant shuni,i he made. Adverting to the grants made ou t if the droils to offieeri of the N;ivy for mtr:torious SciViCeS. he asked it there was no suspicion of bestow itism en tertained? Lie wa s s ur e he spoke the sentiments of a set of as gallant and accomplished Gentlemen as any iiohe wurld— he meant th . , officers of the Royal Navy, when he said they %you'd m utt: rather receive their reintsuerai tin thiough any other channel. .tie contended that the possession of the Fund itself as a source of bonnty was dishonourable to the . Crown, ,arising as it did out of the rights of war, as under stood in ages. of military barbarism, hut totally unfit for the age in which we no w live . . Lie el'e . ,l cited that in the eyes of foreign nati..ns our multitude of twit - Ain - se regulations from tire tithe of Itichard I. and the laws of Oberon,' were so Mixert tip, the essential with the offensive but unnecessary part. th,sitt :fey had procured us thy title of tyrants of the seas. He alluded to the cast i• 1 the British siifferers, who had. their property solsted by the I.)4isish GOI'4IIIIICIIt after the attaa on Copenhagen, but had not received any reinunetasion out of 'tins Fund, though there was a precedent in then' favour, but they were told try One of the Ministers that it was a bad precedent, and would never again be followed ; so that this. grownd of merit forthe.Funtt might safely be struck' off the claims. He concluded by apologizing to the House for the length of time he had occupied their attention. Mr: MARRYAT- rose amid considerable noise and calls for question. He instanced a considerable sum as having beets • . rtceiVed as a Droit of the Crown from some sale of lands in the West IndieS, and for which•the Crown Was - not accimnt able.. These revenues lie thought should be regulatedpre iiimS to Settling the r ivit List., No man was more willing than he was to grant all that could be required to support the honour and dignity of tht. Crown ; but, sinless these re venues were approptiated, he for One must vote for the origi nal ;notion. Mr. C. W. WYNN explained the circumstance of the pen sion which had been mentioned', 'ai enjoyed by a nohle relti: live of his: it was trite that he had such a pension in 1401, .bat lieshortly afterwards Kane it up. He'opposed late plau.of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, because it went to impoqe 3 certain expence on he'Countrs , in the eimipensat ion whieh'was proposed in hr giren in lieu of it if give ii up by t h 5 t:row n. As the fund, by the plan of the Right Honourable o'6lllot:wt . , would lie ItiOnglit under the cognizance of Par lianient,lf a' any time I het e was any consieeraine surplus, it would undoubtedly be applied fer•pub:ie'purposes, r le tht!re toje should oilinse the Learned Gentleman's motion. Sir 301INNEIVI'ORT supported the Learned Gentleman's !no ti o n, because he thought it a power liable to ;those. As to the 4 per cent. ditties, the surpluses might be applied to keeping up the fortifications of 'the respective islands; Ina, be,woßld ask, a ver been done? As to the Drods, any 'interference with them would certainly be reprobated as — in dvcdrous and imprkiper. He concluded, lay saying, it gave in'e greatest surprise to aserve With what coolness uistcts, wht:u the investigation of the Civil List systeul was spoken of, always referred the Home to some fattire period, and invariably 'when that period ai rived, said, I% tnis is nut ihe time.'. -Mie MACDONALD hale hoped that a conviction • of the' bad effects of the system upon- which the Civil List was con . ducted, would have iwduced Ministers for once to depart from their temporiiing policy, and come forward fairly and openly in a manner to. meet the wishes of the Country and consult the dignity of the Crown. When be reflected tit the pledge given by Mr. •Periceral,' and repeated by Lord Castlereagh, that on the demise of the Crown a full in. lestigation should precede the new settlement of this List, he was little preiiered to seethe !tight Hun. Gentleman at this head of the Office of Woode 'sod Foists (Mr. Hits eissim), and the P.ight "jun. Paymaster of this Forces• (Mr. Lotig), get up in' then, places and take the old ground. of de licacy. towards the. Crown, as :in objection to this reasonable course .of proceeding. The time specified fur years by *li v ers bad :trrived, and it niipraTeft that icy never had, Snell a , thing as revision in contemplation. They • were fi n pursuing their usual plan of ,h ,, einity, disguise, and,r v disingeitsne, ;till to cover the Civil List.. But the House Caine to the discussion with advantage. 'fhey were acquainted with tleespirit and a dioitioo of his NlAlcst,Y, sympathizing. with the long pr o tract e d sutierioesof his p,•!pie, and in accordance with host feeling it was their duty to calcu late the new art e rizemr nt rot no wider plan than the absolute necessities of the Crow's. Oth e r wise th e y woulti do little ins- Lice to tilt. sentiments expressed in the Itossi Speech. That, speech. nein common with Iht H ogee , wits dispoted considir larouralite light. Ilia what Minister would have bad ho hardihood to propose an estahlibliment ionic expensive than t hat of 1816-1 bat which added 256,0001. to the revenue of the Crown ? Well as this proposal ;eight be received, would it not have been' far more comostriot with the protvotions of mom ! toy. and beoeticed to the country, to have said o fienly, ono , mine all these brunettes of Revenue, - and wherever you can find ramie for reduction, reduce them But instearl of this, they. took the settleineot of 1 . 816, which was Made in the dart:, and so fa:lamas in its e slimat es, that within one year the Noble Lord (Citst lereagh) had allowed ghat. it was 113,0001. wrong- tt should he'rem.,mbered, too, that in persuading the House to' adi'ipt it, it o as said that its cominuauee at that high rate was not to he reclitmed on, seeing it was !routed in time of war, with reference to the price Of commodities, which was very fluctuating. If to these considerations the Noble Lord would add what was further teerrable tut the change in . our Corrency, it would amount to trent' '2O to 25. per cent. more of fluetnat•ion since that establishment was agreed . to. He . therefore contended fur a thorough, • sufficient, bled satisfac tory inquiry, ate the first priticip!e on which to arrange. a new Civil List The pi ineipleof the HOUse had for'years been to cut off cunt ogeocies; why `hen Were they in ibis bight .t department to abantli.o that rule? He trusted toat what he had said would not be toisrepresAttect. in attachment to the Monarch Lc would yield to nn man. He was attached to his beeense; in his opittioo, a Funned - Monittch , ind a free veople, who understand each . whet% (and if they did nut, it was the fatly of those who acted between them), was the vernment most calculated to insure social happiness and 'ea tional liberty. This form too was most congenial to the spirit, habits, and character Of the British nation. He de sired, therefore, to See the King living in the hearts of his people. He desired to F,ee the Crown splendid in moderaltosa but taut ostentatious. There were moments when less splen dour added to dignity. Sir 'll.. WILSON rose to add one circumstance to What . his Leateitel Friend (Mr. Brougham) had so comprehensively • staled on the subject ..f the Spanish frigates, the seizure of which everYollicer, felt-to have been adiegrace to the tenthly. 'When the war broke out atter. the Peace of Amiens, an Order was joined for capturing all vessels under French colours, and mertythips Horning from St. Doming:it were taken. As a reprisal los- this, the French Government treated as prisonKt s all t lie subjects of this ~ultra' who happened:to be travelling Fiance, and this act was 'held to he consistent with the IAWS ut otoiotlS. To prevent the recurrence of such mi,tor tones, he wood vote for the motion, being ready at the sante ti;i:c to gave a compensation to the Crown. TIERNEY said; th,r after the eloquent speech of the - Right Hon: Gentleman (Mr. Canning), the nature of the_ , question might not be understood by the House. He - took it' . . that it was upon the propritity.of an incittiry now . into All -revenues of the Ctown before - they settled the Civil . List. NO- Grotleitian, by his vote for the:motion, would lre committed' farther than that the subject if these Druitt de servetLconsiticration ; and all who vilest against it would .be dscidine that they were Univiirtliy of notice. In his opinion they . would, not do their duty it they - did not make themselves ac . (painted with all the resources of the Crown. Th l ey were 110 w in possessiiiii; for the first time, of the amount which had fallen in during the late reign. It had Itert said, in deed, ithat this large suns was spread over a lung period, but his Hon. and Lem ilvd Friend had ShOWD that the most of it was ; Produted in 20 years. As for the last 4, they Were still in the dark ; and, upon t whole, he ant it tit any ttentleman to declare if he conke tell how mum) the Crown 'had besides the 850,0001. a )eai ? With lirespeet to a compriliation, be was nut prepared to say that any shoot(' lie given. But if it were, it ciltild be no 'wither' to the people ; at iniest, it would he but a change, for if 10;0001. was granted on the CoOSoli dated Fund, it weuld tie in lied of 10„0001. taken (ruin the Droits of the Admiralty. All then that was asked, was to refer these matters to a Committee 1 hatthey might see their way. He was iexinus foe the splendour of the (I-user', hitt they must, while coosulting that, do it with reference to the distresses of the country. anti with a view to conciliate the people. If the motion, however, was negatived, it would be a .strorig'ivison with him for refusing the 850,00014—anon that was asked, he wool(' reply, " Tell me, first, what you have beside," Fur these reasons, he wouid vote for the mu lion, as conenitting hini to nOthiug, but that he was bound to'ser what the resources of the Crown were. .The CHANCELLOK of the EXCHEQUER remarked, that the speeches of the Honourable Gentlemen opposite afforded aspecimen of what nth Committee would be if they got one. appointed. Evr'y one of theui bad differed from the other his specific object, and each had differed hom hiniself.— (laughter.)—Ministers,.on the contrary+, proposed a plan, which experience and practice bad proved to he efficient ; a plan that was well understood, and in serery way far supe rior to any of the numerous theories with which the House had been favoured. They pro Posed a system adequate to the support of the splendour of the Crown. The sum asked was short of the amount of the establishment of 1316 by 238,0001, and that establishment itself, in reference to the estimate of the three preceding years; was less by the suns of 139,0001. ThiS was the measure which . Gentlemen op. posits contested. They wished to go into inquiries which would occupy months—they who wanted to lass a Civil List within a fortnight previous to the dissolution of the last' Parliament.— (Hear !)—The great and populai objection to retaining these Droits was the possibility of abuse, in order to enhance them. Never was there a more grannd less objection. On the score of humanity, would an imme diate declaration of war have heen (in the iostange . stat ed) preferable to the milder measure adopted. In 1801, an embargo was laid On the ships of the Northern Powers, and whitt ensued—instead of seeking war far the sake of obtain ing-the imhunt of these seizures as drafts, War was avoided, the vessels were restored; and much misery saved. The happy revolution took Pace in,the politics of Russia, where as if war had been declared, iii'stead of laying on the embargo, it would have been put beyond the power of GoVernment to produee Otis , inipoitatif resillts. Ile would fort her ask; how . were t'„te Drafts employed? after remunerating the eolith's of vessels who were not rewarded for their service, they were expended on the naval service. He would, befuse the new Inca sores were completed, propose a 13ill for the annual return of the produce of the Colonial revenue; slid an account of its expeitditurefto he laid . before Parliament —( H ear !) —And a l e fur the revenues from 18,IG, Government had no abjection to lay a foil statement of theta before the House. Sir JtAbIPH YORKE said, that unle4 an explanation was !ZiV , ll of the ebarge on the 45 per cent. list, on account of a Susie Imo:: and Como Commander, he, as an imkpendent 11,lroih; r, must 'rite fur the origin - al motiOn. Mr. W. SMITH replied to. some of the arguments of the Chancellor Of the Exchequer, end contended that the conflict ing o pinions on his side of the House were exact; v what. were tmanted . tis elicit a right decision in a Committee. Ile would vote :or the elution, as he wished botb the income