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PARIS PAPERS. ( From the Etoile of Sunday.) PARIS, JUNE 12.—The Journal des Debats, which appears already to have forgotten, not only the article which it had written at a former period, but also its scornful habits, now descends from its elevation, to speak the language of invec tive and personality. With regard to ourselves, we have only advanced general principles, de rived, for the most part, from sources which were not questionable. The Journal des Dads has taken upon itself to make a more forcible and direct application of them. We will not follow him in the new system of polemics which he ap pears desirous of adopting. It is always easy to produce scandal by means of proper names and allusions; it is a kind of success to which we have never aspired, and which we leave to those who can consent to avail themselves of such a medium. Yesterday, at seven o'clock in the morning, the Duke d'Angouleme, accompanied by his Aides-de-Camp and a numerous staff, proceeded to the Champ-de-Mars, where his Royal High ness reviewed several regiments of the infantry of the Royal Guard. We are requested to publish the following no tification : " Conformably to regulations concerted between the Minister of Marine and the Minister of Finance, it has been decided.— " 1. That the Spanish ships which were sequestrated during the late war, and given up to France by the Treaty of Madrid, of the sth January, 1824, will be admitted into the ports of the kingdom without paying any tonnage or import duties, and will be sold as qualified to become French vessels, under the conditions stipulated by the laws of the 21st September, 1793, and the 27th Vend6miatre, An 2. " 2. That the cargoes of these ships shall pay the customs' duties, as having been imported by French ships, from the same countries from whence the Spanish sequestrated ships came. " 3. That the prohibited goods shall be sold upon condition of re-exportation. ' M. the Count de la Bourdonnaye yesterday laid upon the bureau of the Chamber of Deputies, the following proposition, which will be read to-day in a secret Committee : " I have the honour to propose to the Chamber an humble Address to his Majesty, praying that he will cause to be laid before the Chamber, during the present session, a pro ject of law, having for object,:— " I. To declare that an integral indemnity is granted to Frenchmen, whose property immobiliere has been confiscated .and sold, conformably to the Decrees and Acts of the Revolu tionary Government. " 2. To determine the bases of a valuation of the property imuthbilierc, by which the said indemnity is to be granted. _ " 3. To fix the order in which the distribution of this indem nity shall be made amongst the proprietors still living, the suc ceeding heirs, or those having claims of inheritance, and the creditors of the former proprietors, deceased. " 4. To regulate that these indemnities shall be acquitted in renter at four per cent. with interest, to commence March 22, 1822." FRENCH FUNDS.—June 11, Five per Cents. opened at 102 f. •mac., closed at 102 f. 40.—Neapolitan, 89i.—Spanish, 18i.— • June 12, at two o'clock, Five per Cents. 102 f. 40c. ; end of the 75c.—Spanish, 181—Neapolitan, 901. (Front the Courier Praugais of Saturday.) PARES, -JUNE l•l.—The Court of Cassation, at its audience on .Thursday. •next, will judge a question of the - highest-interest. It is, whether a prize at sea of a Sardinian vessel .by. a Colon-t -bian vessel declared good at Caraccas, can-be con sidered by the French- Government as an act of piracy, and if Captain Iferpin, who served on , board the Captor, can be prosecuted before the French Tribunals as having exposed France to ....measures of reprisals on the. part of Sardinia. EECE. NOTIFICATION" by the SmaTATE of IrsAnA to the CasrsuLa at SMY RNA. " The Government of this. Island being a branch of our Greek Government, has charged itself with the business of forming you, Gentlemen' Consiiis, • of the abuses and violations :which are daily succeeding -each other, and are committed by the Captains of Merchant Vessels under European flags, who trade freely, in contempt of the orders and decrees of Monarchs, .of the Powers of Europe, and of their avowed neutrality. • "- You cannot but know that a long time since the Sultan, -wearied with defeat, has trusted 'himself to the fortune of `lviehemed Ali Pasha of .gypt,., Charging him to under tale the war against Greece, or that -the latter voluntarily obeyed in order to make proof of his good 'fortune; but perhaps you are - ignorant that many Captains of Merchant Vessels have been freighted by Mehemed Ali Pasha, who has used their vessels in -the war Against Greece as transports. We are well persuaded -that the orders which all the Consuls of the European Powers have published have had for their basis the maintenance of national rights, and the neutrality signified by - tbe Monarchs of Et:rope, from whom Greece has more than once implored the s'.! . :„:nur and assistance which she still awaits. Can they then re l.:lain indifferent and see our rights trodden under foot ? " More than once, and in different circumstances, it is proved, 'Oentlernen Consuls, that you have signified to us, with reason, t a! we should respect and. observe exactly the rights of nations, which rights in fact have been, and ought to have been respected with the strictness which they require. Is it not just that our rights should he recognised in the same 'manner ? When the Monarchs of Europe, who are incontestibly the protectors of the rights of nations, shall be informed of similar abuses and of the neglect of those rights, they certai Ay cannot remain indiffer itet. to the sentiments of philanthropy, in favour of a nation 'which during the space of four centuries has groaned under the weight of a cruel tyranny, and which for the last three years has combated alone against its tyrant, in order to acquire its inde pendence and its legitimate Sovereign. E. We hasten, "therefore, Gentfe'tnen Consuls, to advertise you. of the contraventions of these Captains. being persuaded that you will rigorously set the affair to rights, otherwise our -nation will .he .obliged to hinder them by force ; she will act with justice,•at the same time following her own profit and ad vantage, without offending any society of brave and just men,- knowing-well their rights and duties, the recognition of which ought to claim -from the Philanthropic Monarchs. • ". Well persuaded that you _will never contribute to our de struction for the advantage of our enemies, whose religion and laws are contrary to thoseof Christianity, we beg you to accept r-Tthe offer of our most devoted services. Ipsara, 15th Morelli-1824. " To the Illustrious Consuls of their Britannic, French, . Austrian, and •Netheriand, Majesties at Smyrna." TRADE WITH PORTUGAL. Portuguese Consulate OfCee, 33, Great St, Helen's . June 12, 1324. STR—I beg leave to transmit you-a nnexe d a notice,' which should feel much obliged by your causing to be made public at Lloyd's for the Government of those persons concerned in the trade with Portugal and its dominions. I am, respectfully, Sir, your most obedient servant, - F. T. SAI4IPAYO, Consul-General. Jahn Bennett, Esq., Lloyd's. cc London, Way 21, 1824. " It having been.found that, vessels from the ports of Great Britain have sailed to aorta in the dominions of Ids Most Faith ful Majesty, without having the eockets_ot their cargoes legs_ lized by the respective Consuls, contrary to the second article of the Convention made in London the 18th of December, .1812 ; " It is his Majesty's pleasure that your Excellency should give orders to the officers of the Custom-houses in these,k.ing :d.nnas and adjacent islands, that no vessel coming from ports in the British dominions be allowed to land their cargoes, unless provided with the cockets legalized in the form stipula.ted by said Convention. " (Signed) " Marquez de PA LMEI 4 LA." To his Excellency CoAnt Povoa. (A true translation) "F. T. SAM YO,Consul-Gen." .Portuguese Consulate, London,..june 12, 1824. CORONER'S I NQUEST.—Yesterday an inquest WEIS held at th e ' Horse Shoe public-house, Cletkenwell-closes on the body of William Mor rison, a journeyman W atchmaker _ 3tchmaker who , in a fit of insanity, had committed suicide. The Jury re turned a verdict, " Wha t the deceased cut his throat io a state of temporary derangement." PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 14. MISCELLANEOUS. Mr. BROGDEN and Others, from the Commons, brought up the East India Company Trade Bill, and a great number of private bills, which were read a first time. _ _ . ....... —..,. • The Duke of A TI - 101L iresented a petition from the County of Perth against the Scotch Judicature bill.—Laid on the table. The Duke of GRAFTON presented a petition from the Mayor and Corpotation of Thetford, against the removal 6f the Norfolk Assizes to Norwich.—Laid on the table. The Bid of DERBY presented a petition from the Justices of the town of Liverpool, against some of the provisions of the Masters and Workmen bill.—Laid on the table. Viscount MELVlLllPresented a petition from the. Society of Writers to the Signet in Scotland, against the Scotch Judi cature bill.—Laid on the table. Earl 'TORRINGTON - presented a Petition from five hun dred and fifty-eight Spitalfields Weavers, in favour of the Equitable Loan Company Bill.—Laid on the table. Lord STOWELL also presented a petition to the same effect, from certain traders in London.—Laid on the table. MR. OWEN'S PLAN. The Duke of LE ENSTER was understood to move that the Petition from Mr. Owen, presented some days ago, for the ex. tension of his plan to Ireland, be referred to a Committee. Earl TORRINGTON supported the motion. The Earl of LAUDERDALE opposed it, and stated that a plan, the impracticability of which had been so long and so fully demonstrated, ought to be treated with contempt. The motion was then put and negatived. ATTAINTED 'PEERAGES. On the motion of the Earl of SHAFTESBITRY, the Bills for restoring Scotch attainted Peerages were read a third time and passed ; as well as the Bill for reversing the Attainder of Lord Stafford. NATURALIZATION OATHS• Viscount MELVILLE, after a few remarks respecting the Act of William 111., compelling persons tainted in blood on their restoration, and Aliens on being naturalized, to prove themselves by oath members of the Protestalt Church of Eng land, said that he 'should call their Lordships' attention next year to the subject, with a view to give relief, as far as Scot land was concerned ; some law authorities having lately decided that the Act extended to that country. The Earl of INNISKILLEN presented a Petition from certain Freemasons in Ireland, praying to be exempted from the operation of the Secret Societies' Act.—Laid on the table. cATHOLICS, Earl DARNLEY said that he should present to-morrow a Petition from the Roman Catholics of the County of Monaghan, praying in the most respectful and proper language for the re moval of their disabilities. The DulFe of RUTLAND presented a Petition from the Pawnbrokers of Leicester against the Equitable Loan Com pany pili.—Laid on the table. Lord COLCHESTER --- p;tponed the third reading of the Scotch Appellants' Jurisdiction Bill till to-morrow. The Earl of LAUDERDALE gave notice that he should move to-morrow that the Dublin Steam Packet Bill be read a third time that day three months. Lord CA LTH 0R PE postponed the Committee on the Slave Trade Acts Consolidation Bill till 'Thursday next. BILLS. The Public Works Exchequer Bills Bill, the British and Irish Fisheries Bill, the Salt Duties, Repeal Bill, the Highland Churches Bill, and the Austrian Loan Bill, went respectively through Committees, and were Reported. • - WEIWITS AND MEASURES. The Report of the Weights and Measures Bill was received .after a few words from the Earl of LAUDERDALE, who was understood to express his intention to o pp ose th e m easure in the last stage, as tending to load the Statute Book with unne cessary enactments. COUNTY COURTS. Lord REDESDALE, on moving the second reading of the County Courts Bill, explained the nature of the measure. Lord ELLENBOItOUGH objected to many of its provi sions, and wished that his Majesty's Ministers, if they were de sirous that such a Bill should ultimately pass, would institute a previous inquiry, anti introduce- a more perfect measure next bession. The LORD CHANCELLOR did not think it possible that the Bill should past during the present Session, consistently with the importance of the subject. He urged the necessity of providing proper compensation for those Judges and Officers whose emoluments should be injured by the measure, and wished for further inquiry before any attempt should be made to legislate on the subject. Lord REDESDA LE said that he should not press the mea. sure after what bad fallen front the Noble and Learned Earl. Lord ELLENBOROUGII then moved that the Bill be read that day six months.—Agreed to. The Great Sessions of Wales' Bill went through a Commit tee.—Report to-morrow.—Adjourned.' HOUSE OF COMMONS. Several Accounts and other Papers were presented from, dif ferent Public Offices and ordered to lie on the table. •SOUTHIVARK BRIDGE. The Southwark Bridge Bill was re-committed, and went through the Conimittee.—Report to-morrow. Lord A. HILL presented a petition from the Catholics of Downshire, praying for a repeal of the disabling statutes af fecting Catholics.—Ordered^to lie on table. SIERRA LEONE. Mr. PELHAM moved for several Returns relative to the Grants passed for the benefit of the Colony of Sierra Leone.— Ordered. CORPORATION OF DROGHEDA. Mr. HUME presented a petition from the Town of Drog heda, complaining of several alleged abuses in the manage ment of the Corporation Funds of that town. It stated that the Funds, which were intended for the benefit of the Com munity, were monopolized by the Corporation, consisting of. only a few persons; and that .the Catholics, in particular, were excluded from obtaining their sltare ; although they consisted in number of seven-eighths of the population. The petition was ordered to lie on the table, and be printed. FORGERY Mr. HUME presentedap4don from an individual, assur ing the House that he had the means of preventing Forgery ; and requesting that his pretensions might be enpured into.— Ordered to lie on the table, and he printed. CO3II3TNAT lON LAWS. Mr. HUME presented a petition from several individuals of Scotland, praying for the R e p ea l o f th e C om bi nat i on -L aws . The House had - already repealed them as far as it could.— Ordered to lie on the table. - EXCISE PROSECUTIONS. Mr. HUME moved for several Papers relative to an. Excise prosecution against one Samuel Fletcher.—Ordered. Lord OX3IANTOWN presented - a petition from several Freemasons of the Queen's County, praying that they might be allowed the same privileges as were allowed to English Free masons.—Ordered to lie on the table. ASSESSED TAXES. Mr. AUBE R LIT gave notice, that early in the next Session he should move for the .Repeal of the Assessed Taxes.. PORTUGUESE PRIZE MONEY. Mr. HUME - begged to call . the attention of the House to the distribution of the Portuguese Prize Money ; much delay had taken place, he believed, several years, and many of the persons interested in its distribution were now dead. M r . HERItIES said an arrangement had been contemplated between Lord Beresford and the Portuguese Minister; but the money had been laid out in Exchequer Bills, and was currying interest. After a few words from Col. DAVIES and Mr. IlEnniEs, the conversation dropped. HISTORICAL PAINTING. Mr. LAMDTON presented a petition, from Mr. Haydon, the historical painter, complaining of the want of encourage ment given to historical painting. The petitioner had present ed a petition on the same subject last Session, which was pre sented by the Hon. and Learned Member for Winchelsea. The petition at sonic length went into a laudatory and historical account of this description of painting, and repeated its prayer that historical artists might be encouraged by Parliament. He (Mr. L.) concurred in the' sentiments of the petition, though he had no wish to gratify what was called " The sight-seeing" public. The petition was ordered to lie on the table, and be printed. COURT OF SESSION. • Air. DENMAN presented a petition from John Flay, a Scotch merchant, complaining of certain alleged abuses by the Court of Session in Scotland, which had imprisoned the pe titioner on a charge of contempt without the intervention of a Jury. _ The LORD ADVOCATE said the petition ought not to be .printed, and it was therefore merely laid on the table. Mr. W. SAI IT II presented a petition from Norwich, re peating a prayer already made for removing the-Norfolk Assizes from Thetford to Norwieth—Ordered to lie on the table. SPANISH A M ERICA. - Sir J. MACKINTOSH said, that to meet the inconvenience postpone until to-m orrow the presenting of of his Right Hon. Friend , the Secretary of St a t e f or F ore i gn he should a Aff pe ts t i i r tion from the .Merchants of London, praying for the re cognition of the Independence of the South American Colonies of Spain. He should also, in the absence of the Noble Secretary at War, postpone until to-morrow the presenting of a petition from a Gentleman ethe name of 13_01 respecting several griev ancesof which he complained, on account of certain securities for Military Balances. IRISH EDUCATION. In answer to some question from Mr. ABEECBOM3Y, which was quite inaudible, Mr. Secretary PEEL across the table, said that he had pro posed an Address to the Crown on the subject of Education in Ireland; that the Address was followed by a Commission, and that he intended to propose instructions to the Commis sioners, which should have the effect of answering every in quiry Crown for this ptir• disPosal of the funds entrusted to the relative to the _lrpose. -SCOTCH SMALL DEBTS. Lord A. HAMILTON brought in the Small Debts Bill for Scotland.—Read a first time, and ordered for a second reading on Wednesday. FOREIGN TRADE. Mr. WALLACE brought up the first and second Reports of the Committee on Foreign Trade. —Ordered to lie on the table, and be printed. ASSAULT ON MR. BROUGHAM. The SPEAKER communicated to the House a letter he 11.1 received from Dr. 111onro and Sir George Tuthill, who had at his desire seen Mr. Robert Gourley, the person now in custody for an assault committed on Friday last, upon one of the Members,of the House. It stated that they had seen and conversed with Mr. Gourlay, and read the papers he submitted to them ; and upon the best cr:nSideration which they could give on the question of his sanity, they were clearly of opinion, that at different times his mind was in an unsound state, that it was so on Friday last, and still was in that state. /Ir. becretary CANNING said., that the most humane course towards this unhappy man Trauld be to let the subject pass without any formal motion, se that his friends might have access to him, and when convenient to themselves to remove him. Mr. SCA RIJETT spoke r few words, we believe, in appro bationwithout any further remark. of the course suggesrd, and th e su bj ec t t h en d ro pp e d A Message from the 1 / a nds here announced their Lordships' Assent to several Bills s among which were the Bills for re storin the Scottish Porfeited Peerages, as well as that of g _ Lord Viscount Staffn'.d. RY SMITH. BROM") HAM presented a petition from Alnwick, in favour of Mr. Smith's cage=Ordered.to lie on the table. DRY ROT. Mr. BROUGHAM also presented a petition from an indi vidual, assuring the House he could prevent the Dry Pot in Timber; pro:ying for encouragement.—Ordered to lie on the table. RESTORED PEERAGES. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that before he moved the first reading of any of the Bills for restoring the forfeited peerages, it was his duty to inform the Hodge that the Crown had con sented to their restoration—(llear, bear !)—That which pro posed to reverse the attainder of Lord Stafford, was considered merely as an act of justice.—(Hear, hear, hear !).—Those which went to reverse the attainders of the Scotch Peers proceeded from the grace and favour of the Crown, as the an cestor of those upon whom the Peerage would now fall, had engaged in rebellion against the reigning Sovereign. These were the Earldom of Mar, the Viscounties of Kenmure and Strathallan, and the Lordship of Nairn... lie moved that th Bill for reversing the attainder of Lord Stafford be read a fi'ist time.—(Cheers.) The Bills were then read each a first and second time. • After a few words from Mr. ABERCUOMBY in apprc;oation of the measures, and eulogium of th e Gentleman vtlio was about to succeed to the Earldom of Mar ; and from F i r JAMES MACKINTOSII, in general approbation of the prine;iple which had regulated the proceeding, by softening the - rigour of the law. - Captain BRUCE said he highly approved er the principle of these proceedings, though he did not approve of tie selec tion which had thus been shown. He did not see why the re versal of the attainders should be partial. Ile was himself a collateral d.scendant of the Lord Binley„ - and yielded in no one to attachment to his Majesty's Goverment. He had asked for grace and favour on his Majesty's lrAte visit to Scotland ; and lie should again ask it in the hope that it would not be re fused him. Lord BINNING highly approve', of the sentiments of the last speaker; and hoped that the fion. Member would be re stored to the honours of his family. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that, the complaint of his Hon. Friend shevied at least that the . selection had not proceeded upon any pulitical considerations..—(Hear, hear ! from Captain Bruce.)-1 . ..he fact was, that his Majesty's Government had a choice of only two courses, of indiscriminate or of partial re storation. To the first there were many ejections. Among them he raight mention the difficulty which must arise, in many cases, from conflicting claims of the titles, and in others from the aver.tion which some would feel to the receiving of titles which would prove ISurthunsome to them. Selection therefore became absolutely nece...sary ; and as the proceeding itself arose entirely from grace an favour, he did not think the Ministers t of the Crown o ug h t be called upon to enter into the merits of individual claim s .- (Hear, heat, hear !)—The Right Hon. Secretary concluded by heartily joining in the eulogium pro nounced on the ill. Istr i ous family who belonged to the Earl dom of Marx, a n '' ‘ ', ar ld om which, according to Sir Matthew Hale, was one of the oldest, if not the oldest, on record, and whiph there was season to believe had existed long before the cothmencement ~ )f genuine history. The Bilk wixe then committed, and the Reports ordered to be received to -Morrow. Another Message from the Lords brought a request of their Lordships, that Mr. Nori:h, a Member of the House, might he permitted to give evidenci before a Committee of their Lord ships. The House answf :red, that they would send an answer by messengers of their slim. The Lancaster County Courts Bill was read a third time and passed. LAND TAX REDEMPTION. On the motion of Mr. 3lAnElul' the Order of the Day for receiving the Repor con the Land Tax Redemption Bill was read. Mr. MABLRL'f, in support of the Bill, observed. that the Land Tax was pa rticul ar ly ar bi trary an d ob j ect i ona ble, a s it imposed a perpet'ial t ax on l an d. Th e sum, too , w hi c h was fixed upon by la! v for its redemption was enormous. He pro posed that the C town should have no. other power over this, than it had over other personal property. The present value of the Land Redemption Tax was merely, nominal, for no one re deemed, and it was his object by the Bill he had brought in, to render it really available. He wished to do that justice to the landed interest of. a 'lowing them to redeem the tax at a fair price, instead of an unfair price. The Right Hon. Gentleman opposite would tell them th a t hi s (M r . M a b er l y ' s ) v i ews were chimerical, but the Right Hon. Gentleman himself was mis taken. If his Ilia passed, he was satisfied it would be highly beneficial to the co untry. The Chancellor of the Exchequer would have 34 mitt-lions at his disposal, to apply to die reduc tion of the unfunded debt, and would be able, within one year, to reduce five mil lions of taxes. Mr. lIERRIES moved as an amendment to the motion of the Hon. Mem!) r, that the Report be brought up that day six months. Accor ding to his view of the Hon. Gentleman's plan, he called upon Lhem to make a sacrifice of 400,0001. a year in order to accoirq dish the redemption of the land tax. The way in which this less would be made out, he would shortly state. The Hon. Geraleman proposed to sell the land tax at 24 years purchase, and apply the proceeds to the reduction of 34 mil lions of unfou ded debt. Now the land tax was worth 40 years purchase at the present respective rates of interest which the land tax and unfunded debt bore. Thus then it was obvious that to accomplish the Hon. Member's project, they mubt so. crifice the difference betwixt 24 years purchase and 40 years purchase, which would just amount to about 400,0001. a year. For this reason he opposed the motion., Mr. GRE N FELL supported the Amendment. He did not think the plan of his Him. Friend likely to be productive of any benefit whatever. Mr. HUME thought his Hon. Friend entitled to the thanks of the House for bringing this subject forward. He was, how_ ever, of opinion that his Hon. Friend's plan proposed too great a sacrifice for the public to benefit by it. The best way would be to re-com m i t the Bill, and rectify the o b nox i ous part of it ; but certainly t h ey ought not to give the plan up. The expence of collection mi ght certainly be saved, an d hi s Majesty's Mini sters would spew themselves sincere friends to economy by doing something of thing of this kind. mischief. M°Nel ,. . opposed the motion. He saw in it nothing but Mr. MABERLY replied. He was convinced that the mea sure would be a most excellent one, but he should not divide the House upon it, as his Hon. Friend did not support it. The Amendment was then carried, and the Bill lost. BRITISH MUSEUM. Mr. Payne Knight's Donation was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. Mr. HUME bore testimony, to the value of the collection which thus became the property of the nation. He had no doubt other individuals would follow the patriotic example of Mr. Knight, and the B r i t i s h Museum would very shortly be able to defy competition from any quarter. IRISIT INSURRECTION ACT. D su ir r. re fi ct ( i ) URN moved the second reading of th e I r i s h t. Mr. ROBERTSON deprecate d t he conti nuance of this Ac', Insurrection L A B c as applied to the present divided state of Irel an d. Th ere we re two classes in that country, and the effect of this Act would be to give one the power of oppression. over the oth er , Il e had received a l etter from Ireland, informing him that the Catholics had tak en an oath to put to death all th e P rotestants, their rancour aga i nst t h ew man, woman, and child, such was He was, however, convinced that this was a false alarm, for of the two millions of Protestants in Ireland, none was ever put to death except under circumstances of great aggravation on hisown part. Let the House consider in whose hands they were about to place this power. The lion. Member here read a printed Ad dress to the Magistracy of Ireland in favour of the Insurrection Act, canjuring them to submit to no temporising measures with the savages, who were prowling . like midnight, wolves about their dwellings. H e did ma know the author of this Address, but it was printed, and served to show the feeling of the Protestants, to whom'they were about to intrust the execu tion of this Act, towards the Catholic population of Ireland.- 11y a reference to the evidence, they would find it clearly esta blished, that the outrages committed by the Irish did not pro ceed' from combination of an extensive nature, but from the irritation of some supposed injury. Thus, then, if there was r.o combination in Ireland, there was evidently nothing in that country which might not be dealt with by the ordinary powers of the common law. He had no hesitation in saying, that he considered the Catholics as the more loyal portion of the Irish, and what must be their feelings, when they found their situa tion wantonly aggravated by this Act ? History described the character of the Irish people as bold and magnanimous, but modern writers regarded them as sly and treacherous. Whence could this change proceed, but from ill-treatment, and how easy was it to recover the affection of such a people ? But surely this was not to be done by such Bills as this. When Henry the Eighth undertook to change the religion in this country, he attempted to force a change without success. Lle was in the latter part of his reign advised to adopt milder courses, and these proved much more effective than those by which they had been preceded, the same effects had been wit nessed at a later period ; and with this fact before them, why should Parliament now imitate the arbitrary system of Elizabeth and others, rather ehan adopt measures eof conci liation. lie took a review of the sufferings to which Ireland had been subjected, and quot ed the remark made by Lord Clare, at the time of the Uniona_tliet 11,700,000 acres of Irish land had been confiscated, while the ; surface of the country presented but 11,045,000, so that a great portion of it must have been con fiscated inure than once. ''. Ile shewed that the differences which existed were not merely. between Protestants and Catholics, but between English and I fish ; and considered the system heretofore acted upon to be one vehich was well calculated to shale the em. Aire to its veryfound ieion._ne strongly insisted on the import anceofobtaining mo reaccurateintelligeace on the state of Ireland than the II ouse at present possessed. It was only by granzing a perfect equality of 'Political rights that the t ur b u lent s pi r it: which now prevailed in Ireland could be extinguished. Tilt measure which had been preeposed fort:lath olic em an cipation would not alone bring peace to Ir eland. The small er the difference which remained between the pa Sties while any distinction contiathal, would be a source of et erna l hate. Those were, in his opinion, wrong who had giv iti up one iota to Ireland, without being prepared to go on an') yield every thing. By a system of kindness and conciliatio a he thought the differences might be healed ; till this should b t tried, he saw no prospect of peace for Ireland or of iiecurity for England. Wh a t g l ory wou ld it be to the Crown and to them if that could be at last effected ! and he believed that 'liey would find it practicable if they once set about it in eareiest. The Court of Rome was no longer what it was for. neerly. On that account lie could feel no apprehension. He was '.pore afraid that she would fall too low th a n th a t she w ou ld rise too high. Of what might be effected by mild government, the Island of Java afforded a curious instance. That Island con tained 5,1)00,000 of souls. The Dutch Government then esta blished had used great rigour. In consequence of this, no Dutchman could leave his house or his estate without a guard. The change effected while Sir Thomas Raffles was Governor there was surprising. He (Mr. Robertson) Ina travelled hundreds of miles in that country, and in the dead of night. —H e and his companions had every where found the natives glad to see them, though four years before no European could have ventured among them. Such was the c h aracter o f that people, that the English ships would not admit one of them on board, from an idea that treachery and murder were to be expected. They, however, under the English Governor were found the mildest and most gentle of beings. Let a simi lar change take place in the mode of governing Ireland, and he would answer for it the same result would be witnessed. He strongly urged the House to suspend this Bill. NVltether it did or not, it would be his ditty in the next Session of Parliament to more for the appointment of a Parliamentary Commission to enquire into the state of Ireland, which could give them bet ter information than they could obtain by any other means.— He moved as an amendment that the Bill should be read a second time on that day six months. Mr. JOHN SMITH seconded the amendment. He agreed with much of what had fallen from the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down. Looking at the present state of Ireland, and bearing in mind the misery caused by a measure like this, as an honest man, he could not lay his hand on his heart, and vote for the present Bill, without better reasons being given in support of it than had yet been heard. He contended the causes of Irish distress, disaffection, and revolt, had never been properly inquired into. The Committee lately ap pointed, said they had not had sufficient time to make such inquiry. He, however, wished they had beguile it, . and thought they might as well have sent for Irishmen from Ire land to give evidence on this subject as to speak to other mat ters. Where an intolerant and persecuting religious spirit prevailed, he would agree that the Insurrection Act might with propriety be had recourse to; but unfortunately it hap. pened that to those places where this existed, the measure had not been applied. He wished justice to he done, and when he complained of an individual, he never did and never would shel -1 ter himself under his Parliamentary privilege. He had formerly mentioned the conduct of the Provost of Inniskillen, who had issued his warrant to distrain on the property of an individual who had been the persecutor of others, and had taken away the poor man's cow to satisfy those whom lie had prosecuted. It was thought that he must have been misinformed at the time, but he believed nob o dy wou ld now quest i on the truth of the statement. He had now to state that a case had come to his knowledge where an outrage having been committed, the of fenders were lodged in jail. Two Magistrates went to the place, determined to investigate the case the next morning, but in the interim the accused parties were liberated. This was from religious feeling, and in a part of the country where this operated so fatally, the Insurrection Act might with some propriety he introduced ; but there it had never been in force. !le strongly impressed on the House the importance of inquiry into the causes of the disturbed state of Ireland, with a view to introduce a system of toleration, which would unite that coun try to this in bonds of amity which could never be broken. Colonel DAVIES differed from the last speaker. He now saw an inquiry going on, which he was confident would lead to the most beneficial results, and could therefore place that confi - deuce in the Government which he could not repose in them formerly. Under present circumstance he thought the peace of Ireland could not be preserved without the Insurrection Act.— At the same tim e h e f e l t that the system hitherto acted upon with respect to Ireland, was bad—was most pernicious—and ought to be changed. He trusted another Session would not go over without something being done to effect this, and thought the Committee which had lately sat had begun at the wrong end, as they appeared to have occupied themselves in finding excuses for continuing the Insurrection Act, instead of immix. ing into the causes of the evil. lord J. RUSSELL described and lamented the oppressive proceedings which had taken place under the Insurrection Ad. A great inany individuals had been taken up,who had turned out to be persons of good character. In such cases it was no slight punishment that had been inflicted. Twenty, thirty, or forty days had sometimes elapsed before the innocence of a man could be proved,. who had only offended by staying too long at a fair. Ile complained of the discretion given to various indi viduals. Discretion had been justly called by Lord Camden the " law of tyrants." But here was a discretion given first to the Petty Constables, then to the Magistrates, next to those before whom the accused were tried, and lastly to the Lord Lieu. tenant, of whom it was but right to say that hi s di scre ti on had been most wi se ly, honourably, and liberally exercised.— He complained of the Insurrection Act, on account of the hard. ships to which it subjected many innocent persons. In seven out of ten counties out of the numerous individuals appre hended, but four persons had been convicted of the offences imputed. He was unwilling to pass this unconstitutional law, in consideration of the assurances given that confidence might safely be reposed in the present Magistracy of Ireland. But one course could be taken to tranquillize Ireland. That was, to give its people the advantages of equal laws. The Govern ment ought not to act as a religious sect, which had become possessed of the power of the State, but considering themselves appointed but for political purposes, leave the people to settle ' religious disputes among themselves, and not to l e t th ese b e . come a subject of q uarre l between them and the Government. He was against giving Ministers the Insurrection Act, and desired to withhold it, that no compromise might be made with the great question as to the cause of the existing disturbances, and wit - -; convinced,-if the House agreed with him, that instead of putting off the inquiry called for from time to time it would be entered upon without delay. Mr. GOULBURN considered many of the arguments which had been urged were arguments not against the passing of this Bill, but against the present state of Ireland. The Noble Lord complained of the severity of the measure. It was, however, not so intrinsically bad but he had in former instances allowed it to pass without opposition. If, therefore, it ought never to pass, the Noble Lord himself had been in error. Ministers only hoped he would extend the same indulgence to others which he must claim for himself, if he meant to justify his pre vious conduct. He had always regretted, as sincerely as the Noble Lord could do, the necessity of having recourse to such a measure, when it became his painful duty to submit it to Parliament, but he deemed it right to do so in order to protect the well affected against those who combined against all law and order. Re proposed the measure nq as good in itself, but only as proper under the circumstances of the case.' They were told that the presence of a resident gentry was necessary to tranquilize Ireland. Ile then read apart of the evidence given before the Committe e , f rom which it appeared that in some parts of Tippe rar y th e gentry were obliged to remain in doors after dark, to have all the doors and windows barricadoed.-- - Many of the rooms were kept dark during the day, the barri , cadoes necessary for the windows being too heavy •to be re; moved. Sometimes the family had but one sitting room, and even of that all the windows were not open. To a que stion put as to whether the windows were barricadoed in another part of Tipperary, the answer given was, " Not now. They were when 1 first went there, but the Insurrection Act is now in force, and they are no longer closed." In page 42, it was stated, " that while the disturbances were at their height , the Magistrates could not go out without an rscort."—Could it be expected that Gentlemen who retired from the toil of that [louse to what was call e d the repose in the country, wo uld be content to go where they must remain at home in the dark, and where they could not venture out without a guard ? Becher, in his evidence, spoke of h.% house, and•that Df his brother's, being Almost the only houses in theoleighbourhooti which had not been either visited hi the Whiteboys, or aban• dotted by their owners. It might le said that lie was describing things as they were formerly an. not as .they are now. But if a change were to be rentarted---if Magistrates could reside in comfort within their hooes, or venture from them with- out escort, it was becaus , the Insurrection Act had been in force, and ILy breaking down the turbulent s pi r it w hi c h had prevailed, afforded the higher classes a relaxation of danger. He therefore was for leeping the act in force till that inqttirY could-be made, whirl he thought so desirable and necessary, into the cause of the e". It was most ess en ti a l to preserve tran quillity in order Co gain an opportunity for making the inquiry- The.outrages *ha had been committed, Made the enactments o f t hi s l aw siost necessary. It was not particular], directed against the Catholics. The brother of a Roman Catholic Itishop had been murdered, and because this law was had recourse *- then, end was used to repress such outrages, would it be main- Lama that its object was to elevate the Protestant ut the expense of *le Catholic ? The Ronian Catholics were, in many instances, realms to the violence which prevailed, being sacrificed for enhabiting lands of which others had been dispossessed. Ile proceeded to chew * from the report, that in the evidence of those who had been examined before the Committee, the renewal of the Insurrection Act was necessary to preserve the public peace. He asked for the law to protect the magistrate and the peasant, and the well-disposed part of the community. Ile asked it not for the purpose of oppression ; he should be asham ed to do so on the part of the Gove rnmen t, an d if h e did, he hoped the House o f Commons would refuse to grant it. Mr. ABERCROM BY said it was impossible to approach the discussion of this most odious and most oppressive law, it was impossible not to see that its necessity arose out of a per manent system of mis-government. Notwithstanding that .11e had the highest respect for some of the Committee, he had the misfortune to disagree with them in the report before the House. The grounds upon which the Act had been recom mended, were those of necessity and extreme urgency. And if he looked to that report, he saw the most strongly expressed. opinion of its necessity from persons for whom he had the high' eat respect as Magistrates. But when he was called upon to suspend the liberties of so large a body of people and saw in the reasons upon which those opinions w e r e founded, and that they( contradicted the reference. he felt it his duty to pause before he voted for its adoption. Wh a t was t h e resu l t of their evidence as to the eventual effect of the law They stated that it left the people with the same if not a greater disposition to disturb= auce. In fact, it only went to suppress the evil by force for the moment, and left its causes unnoticed or aggravated.--' Many persons were committed by Magistrates,- and often set at liberty after six weeks' imprisonment, without any charge being pursued against them. The consequence was, that these peep le all became disaffected to the Government, and then. this Act was again called for, because they did not love a nd venerate the laws. In the County of Cork there were above 400 committals under the Act, and only 74 were afterwards brought to trial. By the evidence of Mr. Sergeant Lloyd it appeared that the greater number of these people were p eo ple bearing good characters in their own neighbourhood, and bein4 entirely ignorant upon th e n a t ure o f t h e l aw which they ha broken. The Hon. and Learned Member then alluded to the state of the Magistracy, contending that it gave rise to marl of the evils, and was in itself a sufficient reason why the law . ought not to be resorted to. By whatever test they tried the Insurrection Act, the result would be found equally hostile to its adoption, as a measure calculated to produce any permanent good effect. At first, it was said to put down combinations but when they went further into the evidence, they found that combinations had in fact been put down by approvers who al , - plied to the ordinary tribunals. For these reasons he should not vote for the renewal of the Act ,Mr. Secretary PEEL admitted that this Act was unconsti teuffitiaocn:lo;f butit, t tohen h e i twsobeing have inefficacious, ca ad e e io o u t a it , a th c a a t sc w w as hy th t e he qn p tion ; and if the lion, and Learne ,o d ma G sn e i n it t t t e e e man chewed the in' Gentlemann n ai t o us o t s i u o p n ph s oa i r i d o t u oa l fl tl l to n i o e et Condb. T hmittatece "the measure had erne"s: lwiason. formed e l d i of . all parties, and the great majority of that Committee were favour ably disposed to the Catholics. The unanimous opinion of such a body, he thought, claimed some confidence from the House, as they were all the parties who had heard the evidence. ;';'n only were that Committee unanimous in favour of the measure , but the same could be said of every Gentleman who gave evi dence before them. It might be asked why the Committee were not appointed earlier in the Session. But that applied to the Noble Lord opposite as well as to the Government; for the moment he brought forward his motion, that moment the Com mittee was appointed. The evidence of Mr: Becher was neces sarily looked to with the highest confidence and value ; and opinion was as decidedly in favour of the necessity of the mea sure as that of any Gentleman examined by the Cordmittee- Hon. Gentleman had stated the Insurrection Act to be sought by the Protestants as an instrument for oppressing their Catholic Countrymen. He believed, upon his honour, that 3 greater libel upon the Protestants of Ireland could not be con ceived. A proof of this was supplied by the fact, that it never was applied for by the North of Ireland, where religious ani mosities ran high. In the County of Fermanagh there were serious disturbances, but the Insurrection Act had never been applied for. His Right Honourable Friend had called the attene Lion of the House to the state of the Resident Gentleman ill Ireland, when shut up as a prisoner in his house, during the . existence of those barbarous outrages which had been so ra" meatably frequent. But what was his state to that of the poor and industrious peasant who was well disposed.--• The Gentleman had his house secure, while the peasant, who lived in a thatched cabin, never went to bed without the fear of having it burnt over his head unless he joined the criminal perpetrators of murder. From Mr. Bennett evidence at appeared that many poor people were com pelled to join the disturbers by the fear of these nightly burn.. Inge. When he heard so much of horror expressed at the In surrection Act, and pity for those who were die victims of it, lie could not help claiming a little of that pity for the poor unfortunate man, who was in the situation he had described. In the two years previous to the application of the Insurrection Act, fourteen murders were committed in one barony, the perpetrators of which were never brought to justice. The Insurrection Act was a bad thing, but mur der and burnings were worse.—(Hear, hear !)—He was not prepared to admit that the Government was disgraced by the necessity for demanding these powers. From the beginning of the last reign a series of measures for bettering the condition of Ireland had been adopted, and the greatest sympathy was now' felt and expressed by the Legislature upon every topic con nected with her improvement and happiness. He and others had the misfortune to differ from the Hon. and Learned Gentle man and his friends upon the relief to be given to Catholics; but were they desirous of oppressing Ireland because they held such opinions conscientiously and honestly ?--(flear !)-- The case was before the House, recommended by a Committee . composed of those who thought with him and against him u pon that question, and he thought it could not refuse to grant the net satire. . 31r. ROBERTSON explained. Mr. TRANT spoke in support of the motion in so low a tore of voice that his observations did not reach the gallery. Mr. AB E RCRO:IIBY explained. Mr. S. RICE was ready to give a reluctant aseeort to this motion. If he could go entirely along with those. NO° had before spoken, he should be more. satisfied with suel) a vote, and should less feel the necessity of an, explanation.--A Last year he had stated himself ready .to continue this ex traordinary power, if an i nqu i ry into the general state 01 Ireland should be allowed. This was now the case—such an inquiry was now going on —and he therefore felt himself bound to redeem his pledge. After defending the course pursued by the Committee, the Ron. Member stated - , that the Members of the Government, so far front throwing impediments in th e w ay 13 , 1 their inquiry, th ey h a d thrown open every avenue tbr a full an d fair investigation. With the exception of Mr. Becher's eV? dence, he should not have satisfied his conscience by such el" dence as th a t o f C rown L awyers or Pol i ce Magistrates. li e knew that the character of many of these individuals was high, and entitled them to every respect. But they were not sources to which be should look for information upon such a subject. lie preferred see i ng th e I nsurrec ti on - A ct a d ministered by Se.rjeants sent down-Untler the rung's Commission, to seeing it administered by the Magistrate. It engendered no permanent hostility between them and the people, and it was notorious that by some of the lower class of Magistrates justice had been bought and sold. lie expected - the greatest advantage to Ire land from the labours of the ComMittee, but most of all from the evidence which would be produced relative to the Catholic question. That evidence he was sure would more contribute 00 advance the question in the public mind than all the arguments