The Sun. — London, England, 1842-07-13 00:00:00

THE which could do genii to a country plunged 'o deep in the mire or calumnies and ayssice. Pad tile:: tleanselses dente their duty. ? It a^s e roile that sere to (lame for ties present 'tan , of thee-, Thry mete tails if class legislation—was it , ries: legislal eel that sent in as Tons front Leeds? Was it class 1 isgislat i6ll that .eturned two Tories for Blackburn? Was it ' class lesislatiffil that, till the las , Parliament, sent a 'fury from 801 l on? Was it the same thing that made Stock; or t, schiel, for the last six years hail been sinking under the Corn-laws, never have the good sense until last year to return any but a Tory ? When, however, they returned that excellent m an (Mr. Cobden) they had not, as a body, half done their busi ness. They heard Mr. O'Connell, who came there as the solitary representative of 105 Members of Parliament. from Ireland, say that he was ready to assist them. Would Ireland join them ? agricultural Ireland— Ireland that was at present in a state of starvation, that was infinitely worse off than Eng land—lreland, whose inhabitants had been shot down by the military, when starvation compelled them to break in and take other people's food when they had none themselves ? Ireland would, he knew, must join them. Ennis, which had alone done its duty, had sent to assist their Conference two Members of Parliament. In Ennis was once to be seen a flou rishing trade, and all was happiness and prosperity ; the bane ful influence of the Corn-laws had reduced them now to little better than a trifling village. But they had been told that the people would not jain them ; if nut, he must say that he should despair of any honest movement in this country. Let them go to Ireland. He wanted to go to Ireland. They had hardly agitated the agricultural districts at all, and yet they heard every day of farmers arid agriculturists slipping in and becoming converts to their opinions. They appeared to to be beginning to understand, as they ought to have undsr stood lung ago, that if the harvest should be a bad one the dis tress must increase . ; whilst, if it should be good , on the con trary, they would get low prices for their wheat, at the same time that they had high rents to pay. When the farmers were once fully convinced of this they would find little diffi culty in making way in the agricultural districts.— ( Hear, hear.) In the House last night Mr. Villiers, who was the representative of the League in the House of Commons, brought forward a motion for the total repeal, and the Whigs voted for that motion last night for the first time. Lord John Russell himself voted for their motion. ( Hear, hear.) The Corn-law was the battle-ground on which the people had chosen to fight the aristocracy of the country. They must fight it out, and they would gain strength every day. They must nut mix up any other consideration with this cause, and he would say that he believed it was the constancy with which they adhered to this single object which had given them the success which they had achieved. They could not expect ministers of the Gospel to aid them with their services if they made this a poli tical questiOn instead of a question of charity. He would im plore them again not to mix up this matter with any other thing. They might join their suffrage societies if they liked, and he should not object to join a suffrage society, but even that should be distinct from the Anti-Corn-law League. as a league. He wished to avail himself of that opportunity of laying before them what he would call the statistics of national distress, or the results of the prevailing evils upon the state of our popula tion generally. It had always appeared that the temporary distress was a very small part of the question; and he con fessed that the worst apprehensions which he entertained were derived from his sense of the effects which must follow from the deterioration of the physical condition of our people. He maintained that the greatness of this nation arose neither from its institutions nor from any casual circumstances, but from the inherent energy, industry, and ingenuity of its inhabitants; and those qualities they owed, he was persuaded, to their superior physical nature. Now, what he most apprehended from the existing distress was a gradual but certain deterioration of the very breed of our people. History told him that when the physical condition of a nation was undermined, its moral energ ies soon be came impaired. He found from statistical details lying before him, that crimes had invariab!y increased in this country in proportion as food had become dearer. Anti further, it appeared, that in proportion as the price of food had increased the value of human life had declined ; so that of late years the number of deaths had been considerably greater than in the vear,lB2o,. 'and the period whit`.( immediately followed. Ie 183 . 9 the poor-rates amounted to, 4,630:000t, with wheat at 70s. a quarter; in 1840 the rates rose to 6,014,000/.. Even under the 'operation of the PoorAaies-the distress had been so great as very considerably to increase the poor-rates. That increase afforded the clearest indication of the deteriorating effect of the POor-laws in destroying the independent spirit of the people. These were some general statistics which they should always bear in mind,' as they afforded a complete answer to those who said that the distress was partial. 'l hey proved that dear bread was at the root of their misery, and that if they had cheaper bread nothing could be more certain than they should obtain relief from the misery into which they were plunged. One most remarkable circumstance wasthat they had obtained from their opponents a statement of the increase of the poor-rates of the country for a considerable period bask. In the year 1748, when wheat was not more than 255. per quarter, the poor-rates for England and Wales amounted only to 720,000/. In 1818, whin wheat had risen to 88s. 8d a quarter, the poor-rates had risen to 9,320,000/.—( Cheers.) They had been met by the allegation that there had been a great increase in the population, and, therefore, they must expect an additional claim on the poor-rate. But he was not inclined to give in to this answer. An increase in the population ought not necessarily to cause an increin.e in the pauperism of the nation. It ought only to be viewed as an increase in the number of customers to the producer. But even this argument was not left to their opponents. In 18:16, when the price of corn had fallen from 88s. Bd. to 395. 4(1 , the poor-rate fell from 9,000,0001. to about 6,000,000/. There had be. n gradual increase since that, in proportion with the increase in the price of food. They might attempt to account, by the transfer of the woollen trade from the west to the north of England, for the depressed state of the west. But if they took the woollen fabrics that employed the most labour, they would find they had fallen off two-thirds since 1820. The whole exports had fallen off; the north had not received a trade which the west had lost. Before he sat down, he wished to draw their attention to a few important facts connected with the state of Hungary and Transylvania. They possessed tracks of land capable of affording inexhaustible supplies of food ; their mining districts were rich and productive, while they had a population of twelve million.. The nobility, who had complete power to make their laws, were ready to adopt such a tariff as would enable them to take our manufactures if we would only take their corn in exchange. The agents for making these arrangements were now in England, and if we did not embrace their o ffers, they had another alternative. They said th y had coal, iron, and all the elements of manufactures; therefore, if the English manufacturers could not produce to advantage in this country, they had their choice of situation and every facility, if they could only bring with them that which Hungary had not—capital and skilled la bour. Thus, if they did not take their agricultural produce, they should perhaps be shut out both from a customer and a market. The natural capabilities of the country might be judged from the statement of the average yearly produce of Hungary. The assistance of this country, too, was but trifling. Fiume, the port of exit, could be reached in three weeks' voyage, or a sn inth. There was one subject to which he would advert be fore sitting down ; it was the mixing up of the question of the franchise with the subject of the present agitation. They ought to keep the two measures separate. They would assist each other if kept separate ; whereas they were sure to fail if mixed up together. After a few words from Mr. Johnson, in explanatisn of some errors which had crept into the newspaper report of what he had stated on the preceding day, a statement which he ex pressed his intention of sending to the papers, Mr. IlawsoN wished to call the attention of the meeting to a matter which had reference to the character of the Delega tion. Mr. Gaily Knight, the Member for Nottinghamshire, was reported to have said in the House of Commons last night— " He (Mr. G. Knight) adverted to the manner in which this question had been brought forward, and particularly dwelt upon the admission of the Icon. Member for Wolverhampton ( . Villiers) that the motion was not. his own, but the motion of the Anti-Corn-law League. He (Mr. Knight) doubted whe ther the House should quietly submit to the dictation of such a body." lie (Mr. Rawson) was surprised to fled such language from such a person as the Hon. Member for Nottinghamshire. There was another remark to which he wished to refer ; it was the following :—" On a previous evening the Hon. Member for Stockport ( Mr. - Cobden) asked him (Mr. Knight) what was the state of Nottingham. It was certainly not in such a state a; lie could desire to see it ; but he had every reason to believe that it was not in the appalling state that the Hon. Member had described. In some branches there were already symptoms of improvement. He hoped that this would be consolatory to the llon. Member, and that it might induce him to'think that the accounts he had received from other places were as much exaggerated as that with which he had been furnished from Nottingham." Now he wished to draw the attention of the meet ing to this. He knew that the Delegates that had come to London were most respectable men, and he was sorry they had left. There was a friend, however, of his, to his right hand, who had come from Nottingham, to whom he wished to put a few- questions. He should feel obliged if Mr. Sneath would state whether the unemployed in Nottingham were less than formerly, and whether, as he was a guardian. the appli cations for relief were on the increase or decrease. Mr. SNEATH observed that there was an increase in the paupers. Only last Tuesday they had a great quantity of new cases that had never been on the books before. Mr. Ha wsosr wished to know whether Mr. Sneath thought they were likely to increase ? Mr. SNEATU thought it extremely likely, as a great number had Leen turned off within the last fortnight or three weeks. He considered it reasonable to suppose that they would riot apply for relief directly, but it was generally supposed that the in c rease of paupers would be great. They were now paying 1001. more a week than last year. Mr. RawsoN wished to know whether there had been any falling off in the branch of trade to which Mr. Sneath be lunged? Had there been any falling off in the wages ? Mr. SNLATII observed that the wages in his trade had cer tainly fallen off. The men were not getting anything like half, they were not getting a third of what they did a year ago. ah ßa t heer face d s v e n so stao e i fdt c a,hl o al, n ,tt s ht i h d ihs ir ds e i d i tr been couldeahea a .n t p me dreadful enaltel astrespecting proceednsigt a hte nig h t, things, oalludingafal,4l.aannti in ~ty o ct h,h e lfaee t e l‘ tgah i l erm n r els:y,ta t repeal of th e C orn -l aws , b ut f rom compe titi on among manufacturers the mse l ves ." N ow h e th oug ht it h a d b een shown that the fall of wages could be traced to the Corn-laws. He thought the details that had been given by Mr. Sneath were such as should induce them to double their energy in the great cause in which they were embarked.—(Cheers.) Mr. SIDNEY Smut considered it very important that the country should be informed of the gross deceP tion which last evening Sir Robert Peel had practised either upon himself or upon the House, or upon both, rela tive to the prospects of the harvest. The Right Hon. Baronet had congratulated the country on the fact, that on that day the price of wheat had fallen 2s. per quarter, and that there fore the prospect of abundance was indicated by the clearest test, that of the market. What ! Did he forget that the temporary fall in the price produced would rise in the duty, and therefore just postponed the liberation so clamantly required from bond "? The truth.was, that the fall was indicative of a deficient har vest. It proved that the farmers laid their account with this— that if they did not sell their wheat now they would be swamp ed with foreign wheat at the Is. duty. The best proof that the harvest was short was that the price of wheat in bond was higher yesterday than before. The importers knew that they would get it in at the Is. duty with greater certainty than they did before, and, therefore, should hold firmly at an increased price. The 'farmers perceive this also, and therefore sell off now, before the fall, which they dread it coming. The state of the market, therefore, just proves the reverse of the Premier's inference. He (Mr. Smith) really believed that the Govern ment was even more ignorant than callous, and ignorance, as it was their best excuse, so it was their only apology for perse vering in a course of policy which was hastening the country to destruction. On the motion of Mr. RAwsoN, the following Resolution was unanimously agreed to, amid much cheering : " That the thanks of this Conference be given to the Right Hon. Lord Brougham, for the able manner in which he brought the subject of the national distress before the House of Peers. That the thanks of this Conference be given to the Hon. C. P. Villiers, M.P., and to J. Fielden, Esq., M.P., and to the Members of the House of Commons who supported the motion for a Committee of the House to reconsider the question of the Corn-law, with a view to its total repeal." Mr. RAWSON, just as the meeting was about to break up, observed, " Don't forget that Lord John Russell voted for the Committee."—( Cheers.) The meeting then adjourned to eleven o'clock to-day. - ...,., v ,, ~.,......elarawid.O.Fmnres f 7 'Yr 0 Ist! ;"! 1 k 9.......a1iat:41ti --;—. _,.. _......„ ...._ . _ .. „, . , ......„:_____ , cause of the existing distress . lie denied that such an opinion ! ANTI-CORN-C . AW' CONFERENCE . , p r evailed. 'Hie belief —the couvietion was, that the. Corn- The Delegates met again Yesterdey uryening at I,eve , it.w., were the great, the leading cause of the ciletsesse's the o'Clock, at Herbert's (tate Beown's) Hotel; Paiace-::. an', earent of the mews causes, and if it were removed ad thoe :Mr. P. A. Taylor in the Chair., .. II I i nor C:ilbt's would aiso vanish. The thoursh Mr. ;le d the reusing in bad harvests were The CHAIRMAN said he thought than al e , • am, a, Villiers had been defeated last night in the House of country. Providence was thus blasphemously charged with causing the suffering of the . poor. But when measures were Conmonee-em event which he apprehended would rst astonish any ( A . the gentlemen around him, because they t a k en t o p revent the in t ro duction among us of the productions could have expected no thing else—yet lie did think that of other countries which had not had bad harvests, were not there was some subject of congratulatino f r them in the e authors of those measures also the anthers of the distress ? o Let those persons take care how they continue to counteract the tone of many of the speeches treacle last ni g ht by °"() their - th benefits of Providence. Let them look to what had been the fate nents. In the first place, ther e was a very great soreness thanifeeted towaOs the Anti -Corn-law League ; and he of other countries, where the rights of the peop le were thus held back. Let them look to the example of France in the last _took that to be no very bad sign.—(Hear, hear.) They century—of old Rome, of Greece, and many other countries. were spoken of as an annoy ance, but he did not read i i But th e lust of Mammon had a more powerful influence on the •t he reports of the proceedi n g s that the y were treated minds of the aristocracy, than the experience` hf history. The with any marks of contempt. lie read nothing that Duke of R chmond had, on a former occasion, ssailthat: t ile showed•their efforts were undervalued. Their opponents Corn-laws were repealed, he would flee to e a „ fiajrneliegsns l y ao ou d repeal we r e dissatisfied with their power , but that was n ot a (Mr. Hawkes) would say to the Dk , thing for them to grieve at. They were dissatisfied that the Corn-laws you shall be compelled to flee." He (Mr. • of the House should attempt to influence part s+ out Hawkes) w . ondered if it had occurred to the Duke, to think that both himself and the members of his order would have to ealernbers in the House. He need not remind them that it was for that very object they had co me together — flee if they would save their lives. W h en a man was starvin g when he saw his wife, his children, and all those —([liar)—and therefore the regret expressed was at most dear to him ready to die of want, the dictates of any rate an evidence that to some degree at least the y religion had little or no influence upon los mind. He (Mr. had succeeded in that which they hed attempted. lie Ilawkes) trusted those meetings would continue, ant that the thought also that Sir R. Peel had nut crowed quite so Press would continue to enlighten the nation on the de p lorable loudly as he had done a little IN bile since. A short time condition of the people. If the people were instructed as to ago he did not he s itate to say that the measures whic h the cause of their sufferings, and the bes f t e re p m r e e d ss ies fo t . o do r a ) il e f t h e o - the Government had passed would be most certa inl y per- acing es th o e f m the a n s a i t t io w n a w s o l u i ld th b e e aocw^oemr of shed at no distant time , be given them ; and he spoke of his policy sieted in. But now lie only hoped that a fair trial would a wi nd: l ' that, too, without the effusion of blood. as a sort et The Rev. Dr. PERRY, of Reading, wished tooffer an observe • experiment ; and supposing the experiment did not sue tion on a remark that had ' fallen from the last speaker. That coed, he expressed his readiness, notwithstanding his gentleman had said that those who were oppressed with hunger by-gone opinion, to try something else—(Hear, hear) would not be influenced by the dictates of religion in his efforts —that was to say, he should be prepared to alter that to remedy his sufferings. Now he (Dr. Perry) must say that which he had been so confident would succeed. In se lf- preservat i on was th e fi rs t dictate of the Christian religion the whole tone of the debate of last night, in the —it was the first law of nature, and lie contended that those mode in which the proceedings of the Delegates who neglected that law—who acted not up l to that die me were .estimated, and in the annoyance expressed at those fate, and did not preserve hislife, was s So g o u n i er ty than han a or buffer proceedings, it appeared to him they had satis f ac tor y evi- whichor hiswere forbidden—murder. deuce that they ' had succeeded to some extent s ince they himselfall children to starve, he (13r. Perry) would had met together in Lonion.—(Hear , heat.) take bread from the table of the Prime Minister. Mr. LEWIS, the Delegate from Stroud, then addressed the The c trentatAN then read the following lettere, or ex meeting. As it might be imagined that the West of England tracts of. letters, from correspondents in the country: — was in a flourishing condition he must be allowed to say a few Bury, July 10,1842. words. He believed there was no part of England in which My dear Sir e -at assure you . I cannot express the gratitude the shopkeepers and the middle-classes were in a worse condi ] feet for your exertions.' in order to ' rid our country of that, tion than they were in the West. The part of the country he its foulest blot, the Corn-law. For your three letters sent me represented was noted for the fine cloth it produced. It had I am very much obliged, and have to inform you I have vile- been said by Mr. Ferranti that the falling off of the trade in culated the contents of them as much as possible, and that they Yorkshire had arisen in consequence of the introduction of have given unlimited satisfaction to all those who felt themselves devil's dust ; now with respect to that article it had been sup interested in your deputation. Your remark s to the Confer posed that it was a species of dust. Such, however , was n ot enee have pleased all parties here, Whig , Tory , or Radical—all e the case ; it was the old cloth manufactured by a certain pro entertain and express themselves that they are a true state or cess. He believed that such manufactures took place in York the condition of the inhabitants of this town and neighbourh ood . shire, but it was unknown in the West of England. The falling Since I received your letter this morning I have seen seven off of the trade in that part could not be attributable to that. ar eight ef the friends, who take a part in these proceedings, In the Vale of Chafer, one of the finest in the world, there who are all of them of one opinion, that is, you must was the greatest distress. In that part there were originally remain in London until the Conference separates. You thirty-three manufactories, and now there were only three.— a re aware we cannot get up a meeting of the Coun cil (Hear, hear.) In Painswick there was not a soli • of the Association before to-morrow evening, when your cum- tart' manufactory at work—( Hear, • bear) —although for munications shall be laid before them, and I will write to you merly there were twelve or fifteen, and at the present felt particulars, which you will receive on Tuesday afternoon, moment one of its principal manufacturers was an inmate of or Wednesday morning at latest. All the friends to whom I the union workhouse.—( Hear.) Cottage property had become have' spoken express their readiness to join in the expenses of no value ; he (Mr. L.) had 12 or 15 vacant, and he could not which may occur in the increased time of your attendan ce i let them at any rate ; and he knew a gentleman who was about to London. pull down eleven in order to clear the ground.—( Hear, hear. I shall be very glad to hear from you at all time s, and lie wOuld now cross oier the hills cr owned as they Were with I particularly rejoice that you have had an opp ortunit y of verdure, to Heighley, Dursley, Coley, and Cann. Dursley, stating your opinion of things to the head of the Government, twenty years ago, was the principal manufacture of fine cloth knowing full well you would deal faithfully with him. Mrs. and kerseymere, but the Shepherds and the other great menu - Helt joins me in kind regards to you, and believe me to remai n, fact urers had gone, and mita that had originally cost 60,0001. your obedient.servant, THOMAS Hor. had been sold for 4,0001., and places where originally thou p. S.— .:Ir. E. Hardman, it is reported, has i u nformed his sands of hands had been employed had now became partly printers that if they will work for the prices paid to apprentices, iron-foundries. In other parts the mills were entirely dismantled, be can employ them; if not, he will have all hie work done and paces that were formerly flourishing had now become de by boys. • ,_ : versed, and mew who'hed forrinerly,occupied the, manufactories - Todmorden, Friday,--July 7, 1842. were gone to Saxony or Americae-e( Hear, - hear. - . )e In Stroud, We beg toetpress - our approval of the plans at agitation re which might perhaps be considered - the most favoured part of eeinmended:byeyoile Corninittee; we thinie e them prudent and Eogland., the greatestelistress existed, and the wages of the la jodieieus, and hope. they will be fully anal effectually executed. 'bonier• had • been reduced: For' his ownpart, he had been : We also pre=ume it unnecessaryfor us to. urge ,upon you. the. 'obliged latterly to reduce the ' wages of his workmen, necessity of your remaining in town, with other friends, until and that redaction would still go on, unless some these efforts have been fairly fried; don't let Peel's party potent remedy were applied. If the Premier would, however, exult over another " early' separation," but remain firm , reso only hold out some hope of a modification of the Corn-laws, lie lute, viol seem determined not to return until something be could treble his busines3.-- e illear, hear.) The wages now dune to alleviate the distress and calamities that await us. were not half what they were in 1825. In the town of Stroud The House ef Commons, it seems, dia not think it wo. th one-third of the shops were closed. Cottage Property their while to muster sufficiently numerous to enable business had become utterly valueless, vast numbers or them were to proceed (on . alonslay lest) when the distress of the country untenanted.—(Hear, hear.) The pool-rates were increasing, was to be taken into consideration ; snake them feel this in all and everything was getting worse. Such was the state of the the wets you can invent , and make them understand that yen far-famed golden valley, and if this state of things continued, are for having. ocular demonstration of their attendance in the the most dreadful consequences would be the result. Since House, to vote the supplies. the meeting of the present Conference, he had heard three Our grocers, and other shopkeepers, are about to have a Conference respecting their prospects. Something will be done, .or .e feur things pro h s e ed, which hitherto would only be feasi- Di in some parts of but whether a man from their own body will be sent up to country. Their highly-gifted Secretary, of whom Lord Brougham had said that he was the most town, or their wishes wirl be communicated to you, I am un eloquent man in England, had proposed that they should able at present to say, but no doubt shall have semething for allow their furniture to be taken by the tax-;tar you :ou this subject in my next. Accept ley best wishes on therer. That might do very well in some parts, but behalf of self and friends, and remain yours. Todmorden, July 7, 1842. he thought it would not be palatable in others. With respect to closing the manufactories, that proceeding We beg, to acknowledge the receipt of your letter. of }ester- would fall on the country, and the different localities. That day, and take the first opportunity of informing you that it is would not do, for, he was convinced, that were the factories the opinion of all here, that the Conference have acted wisely once closed, many of them would never open again. Many in deferring their departure , se a little agitation in London is persons would be glad to close their factories. If he (Mr. likely to have a greater effect on the Government than if pro. Lewis) could do so he would. He hail heard one project from reeding from the country. The shopkeepers hero are now may a gentleman there that he did not think would result in good. ing, and though slew, we think they will do something at las t, as they must feel the distress more severely every week. It would take twelve months to carry out, and they might be • It is.the wish of your friends that you should not return at all in their graves before that time.—( Hear, bear.) They never could g o through the winter. the time you mentioned, but join in keeping up the agitation in A DELEG TE Wat is that project? town some time longer. In all probability you may be re- Mr. Lesvt A s—The gentleman . read it from a paper ; it was limd by wine other person's attendance when the shopkeepers have Cdmpleted their:arrangements. -•• a great variety of practices combined in one. Another gen- Ihs.l•lstioe,AirselLawitos, of- Kendal,' was. then called tleman was for going to the bar of the House of Commons and demanding an interview. That was impossible. They well , upon ~py, t lw, , Chairman, , and . proueeded. to • address the knew how they were treated in February last. Then; with ne eeekn,g., ...Oen ;he died. left borne at.the (warmer - Icemen!' ;respect to an interview with the Premier, they all 'saw with of Ineleseeelt,ta: . esler, to represene tire : pewit of -Kendal, what cold-blooded apathy they were received by him. -They andlShe , sesminpre; ugricaltural 4ietteets, he, felt that cou ld expect nothing from him. 'they received all that heiVti - e •Ce keng l it; Ais'eliarge a very s l dernq anti it yore was expected. He (Mr. Lewis) stood at Ids elbow enelhaisllol4`titil!'`llle't'lentsty of fro' place witioli called all ' the time, and he trembled so much that lie ri oii4liltielifY frig tire' liiihrie asyniliathy than the town Of made him (Mr. Lewis) fancy he was an old man.—(Laughter ) K k in'ilal: i 7 phiii4 , ?lnightlii' oilier places in which the die- He (Mr. Lewis) had heard a most splend d sp e ech i n ti me .. . - House. it of Lords last evening, and he observed the listlessness with treas•W:ee sitill'ereater; but the town of leendel eehibittel e - which was listeped to. Many Brohrips were there, amongst tt s i e / w it h : wit:ye that, fur tire last six years; the progress whom was the Archbishop of Canterbury. There was nothing oil'. the a nnihilation of its trade had been so .ex to be derived from this or from the other House. They would teriskee e petil e yraeso gentle, so gradual, so progressive, never do any thing until they (the Deputation) made common thitte,! , ..1)1 1 ... - 49 4 .' 'been- just "Pt alive in the l'o'on" [ - i•ause with the Chartists.—( Great cheering.) The moment of .4to- unforiOnate inhabitants. With this hope they t they did that the Whigs and the Tories would join. 'they would had:heen,itultte - ed to ,linger in the. precincte of the town ' unite within seven dais. They would then have their enemy w itli. sql - fiatiotiditil,i , 'Written in their faces, while they fairly before them. they would then obtain their object as wel'et.'''inkaiig"line after another into the workhouse.— they did with respect to the Reform Bill.—( Hear, hear.) If (Ilehr,li('ar.) The town presented the strange condition there had been two sections then, that question would never ' have been carried. He doubted if the country was not worse its .e of bOnglin-the'sitetne state with regard to the number of off now than before that measure. Without the Charter they ikettlationetiseitt the year 1841. The census of 1841 would do nothing; at all ought to include the Ex steteWedjten ineclease., of - only' 137 souls as compared with tension of the Suffrage and Vote by Ballot. Now, his project thuceneuwol- - 1 - 8 31 ; and that had happened in what had was to unite as early as possible. He thoUght that lecturers beep one of the Most prosperous of our manufacturing ought to go round London, as the people in London were ex towretee '1:1-o condition of the unfortunate inhabitants tremely ignorant on this subject. Hi: project, also, was to send wasecalmeleted to make the hardest heart bleed—nay, fur Mr. Sturge, to town, that they might at once create a union even that of Sir 11. Peel, and if he had witnessed it, ho which would bear all before it.—( Hear, hear.) The whole cria‘bi: rioter : hese made the speech he had delivered district was in the deepest distress. • lasiThighe in 'the House of Commons.—(hear, hear.) Mr. DANIELS, of alarylebone, said some complaints had Ilr; thought that the sight of this distress would melt a been made respecting the metropolitan parishes not having come forward to assist in the present movement. New he heart of s tone, and it wee because he was , surrounded by the''glitter of the nobility , by splendid buildings, b, could state that he had seen several persons at the Conference besides himself from the parishes of Marylebone masses of wealth, that he could not realise to his eyes and St. Pancras, and had endeavoured on several occasions theeecenee of destitution and gradual death which to obtain a hearing, in order to express their concurrence ii; they e espocially, those who were ministers ut' the Gospel, the objects of the League. He belonged to an Association in weee_ecompelled. day by day to behold. Ile was nut illarylebone, which was formed by Mr. Sydney Smith, and going to detain the meeting with any statistical details; the object of which was to secure the bees against the the e Report he had condensed before he came, which injuries which w ere inflicted u p on them b y the drones.— weuld be put Into the press without the meeting being troubled (Hear, hear). There is an altered state of things in this with its details. But he hadnointed out that one peculiar fact country. Formerly it was the custom of Ministers to do all in in their ease was, that owing to the gradual operation of the their power to promote the prosperity of trade ; now they Cern - slaws thehsopulation of Kendal had been emigrating to knew the Government only as an instrument of exaction.— ether eowns or other countries in search of that employment ( Hear, hear). They had heard much of the truck system. which they could not receive at home, or were sinking into a . Why, what were the Corn-laws but the great truck system, premature grave. They had the same population now as !key whereby the landlord compelled the people to deal at his own haalerf years ago, but they had lost much of their independence, shop? A person in his parish, who was regarded as much of their manly spirit, much of their capital upon which a religious man, had said to him, that if there was not wheat one-fourth of their population had been feeding enough the people should seek other food, such as beans, peas, ( Hear, hear.) 'the amount paid in wages in Kendal had and oats. He believed that if they did that they would soon - diminished by 18,560 a. and this was considered so complete an have an agricultural society endeavouring to prove the nu under-statement, that if it were fixed at 20,0001. the amount tritious property of the bark of trees.—(Hear, .hear. hear.) o f the d, crease would be nearer the truth. In lieu of this, the. He would read to the meeting a statement, which would s h ow working classes only received, at the hands of the Poor-law the increase of pauperism and distress in the parish of Mary- Guardians, the sum of 1,1221., which left them less to . spend lehone. (The Hon. Delega e then read the statement.) on clothes arid rental, by 14,738/a' What was' the influence of Now what was all this for? The farmers did not want pro thiS•on the agricultural district surrounding Kendal? ' It de- ttction. s He knew many farmers, and their eyes were begin pended on supplying Manchester, Liverpool, ' Bolton, and Obi. to be opened to the true state of the case. They knew other places mis h . agrictiltural produce, especially eggs,' butter, that ' they did not need. protection. Lord Leicester, Lord Spen and poultry: From the diminution in ' the amount of wage s cer, Lord Kinnaird, Lord Radnor, and other landowners, paid' ;to - the operatives, the sale of these articles had had distinctly stated that they required no pro greatly decreased ; butter was quite a drug in the market, tection.—( Hear, hear.) Those who desired .a repeal and could not be sold at Bd. a lb. Did' not the poor farmer, of the Corn-laws, were desirous of holding out the right hand whose rent did not fluctuate, suffer by this state of things ? of fellowship to the farmer. If they bore enmity to any, it When hi's produce was depreciated 30 per cent- in value . , would was only to those oho increased the rent of the farmer fur the his landlord return him 30 per cent. of his rent ? No ; he • oppression of the country.—( Cheers.) There were many wh o would make a great favour of returning perhaps five per eent.,• adeecatectfor an extension of the suffrage. So did he ; but he and lee lauded in the newspapers for his bedeiolence. This 'thought they would not advocate that cause the worse for having wag •the effect of the depression in - the egriculturat districts; theirbellieSfull.—(Cheers. ) He,however, thought an Extension which hid first been made rich by the rise -of 'mantifaatures. .of the Suffrage without the Ballot would be worse than use- If the Means by which these mechanics lived were taken aWaye .lessee Thousands in the borough of Marylebone had ceased to the.eeits of the Corn•laws must ultimately fall'On 'the landlords register, on account of the oppression to which they had been ' • theyneeves. But it was a melancholy reduction to exposed, and he was of opinion that it would be of no use to ex think that-in the ,meantime, the greatest suffering fell aeon tend the suffrage 'without, at the same time, extending protec. those who, by their teases, were in their landlord ; ,' poWer and. tion to the voter.—( Cheers.) Why, Sir James Graham had, bound. to'continue on their estatesawhether; fotaeill cirlioe:' -in 1835, stated that if the Corn-laws should be repealed, the The - aceounti -from .an parts of the%eountey' codflerne this' •landlords . would .not be able to pay the mortgages. Were the statement, and it was their firm belief that the price of corn people to be taxed in order that the landlords might dishonestly conld•not rise , much hi g her, without causing a'netional convul- 'retain possession of that which was net their ' own?—( Cheers. ) sion. -- He. -believed - that' in the manufacturing districts they It they were not the rightful owners of the land, let them give w ere on the verge of disturbanees which would not be'r e p resse d it up, and let the rightful owners take possession. —(L ou d wept by shedding' blood, beceuse 'the obstinacy of their go- cheers.) He was'himself a pawnbroker,• and had had oppor vernors led the (unities of seeing the. dreedfel .etate of distress existing. A n). to look onehese things with c al m 'amid unruffled eyes, and they would employ the force in their hands, the police poor creature had pawned , her bed,' and afterwards sold the and soldiery-of the country, tee repress tumult, rather than ticket; she had.previously disposed of her mattress, and then takeether means to prevent it. In Parliament they. diseo- she burned her bedstead;' and when asked why she had done vexed that they must wait the progress of events—the Minis- so, she replied it was to prevent the landlord from getting tors said their measures had not been sufficiently tried—it w as it; and we were nearly in the same state. We should soon evident that :hey were to wait till the country was raised to the be obliged to burn the bedstead to prevent the landlords getting utmost pitch of deputation, and not till it had shown itself in it. He wished other places would take example by Maryle a manner not to be mistaken, would any new consideration be bone ; there, in order to prevent a Tory from getting in, they given to these laws, to whir k they all attributed . their prese n t had sunk their private differences, and placed the two men be distress. Sir R. Peel had ad'lin repeated les belief that much fore the constituency, balloted for them, and had, in anise of the local distress arose in the increase of machinery ; quence, returned two Liberals. While the Government were but what caused this restless invention of machinery ? It was splitting farthings they should not be splitting straws. Let to evade that heavy and costly element of production in manu- them unite, and then they must secure the repeal of this factures which the Corn-laws created ;it was to evade the em • iniquitous law.—( Ch eers .) . ployment of human labour, which the C orn-laws made so S MITH said that before he addressed them on costly. The Corn-laws compelled them to pay one-third more the measures win f eh ou a g s h e t xp to re b ss e i adopted, he begged to remind oexpressionsn utteredexpressions f mere in ind t i h v e idu C a o l n op fe i r n e i n on ce . , them that n would be loo o l i Ci e d o apo th n e lot.their food than other nations, and from this cause arose the The country looked upon them as the representatives of the restless invention of machinery, to take the employment and . . considered that the opinions were the expression out of the hands of men, to .which they we com (Pieftee' opinion of those represented. 'I he country looked to polled. by Sir Robert Peel's own laws the dreadful 1 . 11 /1 1 / 4 impious Corn-laws.' Sir Robert Peel had taken a re great cause which they had undertaken. It had been sag aiew,efsthe prices of coen,since 1815, asking that as they were them to exercise prudence and wisdom in the conduct of the ested that their agitation was not on a sufficiently broad high in 1815,10 w in 1833 and 18:35, and were now high b as i s ; they were toad that they should join with it the • afiatns r liew. 'the Corn-laws could be said to be the cause of the g depreciatfon of wages ? In 1615, the Continent had beensuffrage. ravaged, by a q uar t er o f a century of war, smut it was impos. movement. That question had fre q uentl y b een 'gravely dis sibte that it could compete with tale Ade manufactures, whatever neither to the righ t nor to the le ft , but to keep this ag it a ti on was the ❑rice of fod here. . But they i had s i nce had another quarter of century a of before the country. independent of any o th er — (Cheers)—and peace; o . which the C ontinent had taken advantage, and even at the ex p en.e of any other.—(Cheers. ) The joining' w'erd now •martuittetnri ng f or themselves.— ( [Tear, hear.) it with the movement for the extension of th e suffrage worths Sii li,' Peal asked host it W as, i f this distressexisted to the ex- be rat her ruining its basis. The representation was a creat ure tent stated, that our exports ha I inceeased? Why, he could of civilisation ; but was that so broad a question as the question at ans wer the Right Hon.'H e -net. We h a d sen t our:mm.llou- whether man should have food—whether man sho uld live by his tures abroad at random, to :alm est every pa r t of the world, industry? With regard to the extension of the suffiarse, he h a d almost without a chance of diepoei ng of them, because there hi s own op i n i ons , a nd, as an individual, lie would be happy to s n o means of disposing of theM at home, in conseqnence of join in any well-considered movement for the eaten. all the earnings of the operatives being absorbed by the high sion of the suffrage, but he could not consent to join • price( Of provisions. And even jet 'Airmen countries our mann- the holy cause in which they were engaged for the re. factures were forced into the market under the 'disadvantage peal of the Corn-laws with any other cause whatever. ' of- our being compelled to dispose of them at twelve months' I if they hadexhautted every expedi ent, and had made no p ro - credit, with perhaps a risk of not bein g paid at a„. II Be. }tress in the public mind, if they had not advanced at all in the sides,. our expert, pr i nc ipally consisted of articletei n a state agitation of the great question, then he would say it wartime nearly as raw as when they were imported, I T r rlittle-labour tusay that human nature had reversed its ordinary impulse's, hiving been expended on them. It -.was chiefly 'yarns that and. with however great regret, he would say that the country were largely expor t e d. It was said. that those who wished to which was incapable of. listening to appeals such as their§ seas have the Corn-laws repealed consid ered them as the s o le , n ot worth isaving—that there was ao constitutional change SUN, LONDON, SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS FROM TIIE EVENING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY. GLOBE.—Lord Brougham last night brought before the House of Lords, by a motion for a Select Committee, the unparalleled distress of the country. The motion was resisted by. the Government on the same grounds as those which were adduced in the House of Commons —that an inquiry into the subject, with a view to dis cover the source of the ealamity, would necessarily be tedious, and that an attempt to discover and apply a re medy would be futile; The people, then, so far as the Go vernment and the Legislature, influenced by the Govern ment, are concerned, are left without help and without hope ! Lord Brougham's speech last night was worthy of the Noble Lord's best days. It was emphatically ad rem. By keeping to the subject, instead of being tempted to indulge-those aberrations by which his Lord"; ships statements and arguments on important questions have frequently been weakened, and his efforts stultified, the subject was invariably kept before the minds of his audience, and its important features illustrated with a clearness, and stamped with a force upon the judgment and feelings, absolutely.irresistible. Having laid before their Lordships authenticated statistical statements, the validity and correctness of which were not disputed, Lord Brougham selected instances of suffering from the general mass, by way of exemplifying the deep destitu tion, the intensity of distress and suffering, to which the labouring classes in the manufacturing districts are reduced. STANDARD. —The distress in the manufacturing districts again furnished occasion for long debates in the two Houses of Parliament last night. The debates upon this subject are painful and wearisome ; but let them not be thought unprofitable, how hopeless so ever a present remedy—how far so ever Lords and Commons may be at present from the truth. It is right that the Legislature should manifest its sympathy with a people suffering with noble resignation ; and it is " by mistakes we learn," as a wise man has•saitl ; by fully examining all paths it is that the right path is at length discovered. In the House of Lords Lord Brougham moved for a Committee to inquire into the causes of theyublic distress, and proved, by a very long and ingenious speech, with which he introduced his motion, that he at least is in the dark upon the subject. His Lordsh.p, however, failed to show that a Committee would much enlighten him. A Committee to collect all the evidence that could be offered, and that properly would be offered, must sit for years, and in the end it would arrive only at the fact, which is unhappily too ob vious to require a single witness—the fact that the manufacturing people are exposed to cruel privations. A Committe could pronounce only upon details, but the real mischief hes in a principle —a principle plain to the sense of any rational man, whose understanding is unfettered by the chains of that most narrow of all narrow systems, a miserable political economy. The only liberal reasoners are they who utterly reject these manacles of system, and they have no difficulty in detecting the cause of the present national affliction. Let us then try to do for Lord Brougham what no Committee can do. Let us try to emancipate his mind from those wretched trammels by which he is hampered and perplexed, and direct him, if not to an immediate remedy for the existing distress—which is,. we fear, unattainable—to the causes of that distress ; and as his Lordship has, in the course of his legal studies, learned from Coke, that to trace an evil to its source is the first step to its removal, he will appreciate the ser vice. This service is due to Lord Brougham more than to any other man, because (as we believe) he has, un consciously, done more by his brilliant talents and un tiring energy, to create the affliction which he laments, than any other man living. HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE. — MdIIe. Rachel took her benefit on Monday in this theatre, which the enthusiasm of the occasion crowded in every portion. The selected scenes she had culled for her benefit, were the fourth act of the .4ndrornaque of Racine, the sth of Librun's translation from Schiller's Marie Stuart, and the fourth act from Corneille's Les Heraces. Her acting of the second was a touching master-piece. Rubini and La Cerito lent their attractions to her benefit, in conjunction with Lablache, Madame Persieni, Signor' and Madame Ronconi, Guasco, Mdlle. Moltini, F. Lablache, Guy Stephan, Perrot, &c. &c. The second time Rachel appeared to the universal call for her, the applause was so vehement, and so continuous, that she was completely over powered, and retired trembling with Litigue and emotion. It is said that she is to proceed to Russia. Joy and success go with her. Among the distinguished visitors were—The Queen Dowager, accompanied by the Duke and Duchess of Saxe Meiningen, Lord and Lady Barrington, Earl Howe, Lord Curzon, Lady Georgina Curzon, and Miss Wheatley ; the Duchess of Kent, accompanied by Baroness Lehzen,' Lady A. M. Dawson, Lady Montgomery, Lady Louisa Parker, Sir George Cowper, and Hon. General Upton; the Duchess of Cambridge, Princess Augusta, and Prince George of Cambridge ; Duke and Duchess of :Sutherland, Duke and Duchess of Buccleuch, Duke and Duchess of Beaufort, Marchioness of Londonderry, Marquis of Conyngham, Marquis of Lansdowne, Marquis of Titchfield, Earl of Liverpool, Lady Peel, Lord and Lady Villiers, Lord and Lady Beauchamp, Lady Monteagle, Lord Sandy's, Lord Lowther, Lord Templetown, Sir George Wombwell, &c. HAYMARKET TMEATRE.—Mondav night, after the Rose of Arragon, a new comic drama, entitled Peter and Paul, was produced with much success. The piece is borrowed from the clever French cornedietta of L' Oncle Baptise, which sup plies nearly all the features and incidents, changing the scenes, however, from France to Gloucester and London. Fari en sus tains the principal character. Mrs. Glover, as Peter's wife, was ever thing that could be desired, and Mrs. E Yarnol d , Vining, Tilbury, and Howe efficiently co-operated. It was much applauded, and announced for every night till further notice. ------- ROYAL ADELAIDE GALLERY, LOWTHER-ARCADE. —The Queen Dowager, accompanied by the Duchess of Saxe- Meiningen, the Hereditary Pince Saxe-Meiningen, and Lord Howe, visit e d thi s in s tit u tion or, Monday , and honoured Mr. Claudet with a sitting for her likeness by the Daguerreotyp e . The Right Hon. Thomas Frankland Lewis, M r . Fitzherbert, the Belgian Consul at Brazil, Mr. Saportas and family, formed part of 'the large number of passengers who oa Monday arrived at St. Katherine's Wharf, Tower, by the Antwerp steamer, Princess Nictoria, Captain Minter. WEDNESDAY MORNING. „JULY 13, 1542, r •-- • _ t• 0 1. 1 011 FRO ISE COM7Q PERIAL 1 3 111,1 ILNI. • tht • . 130 USE OF .LORD:S, rrrl, I \Vu aT LF.Y In ,I 1( r ir r Lolships to o ut at Five 'Cite 21:. I.ll,heStVr WAS' g;aliCii, IN ES ANDCOLL IE I?. I E on e.r Late elect:ott the Lihal :1,1•" 7 1,01 . the 14th of Sc'tember. It the jeteiei,J• ~Luz -11 1 -YTTE-1 1 ° N . 17, 5- 'l -1 Whit m a rsl, He had promisedll to vote tor I 'apt. \,1.:-. - les. ' ,1, -" , 6 1 •`-' 11l the Mille" wted for the Coi.servalive candldees, inn : "..-4:arpe made l A ireeisage front the Coma - tons brought tip Sevcral Pre wee of his being brought up by " Jack Wren." 'There was a vate Bills which had passed that House, end some ot:iers. memorandum of hh own to this effect, " \va s n ot this a vot, r 1 •iti 'lt c.ll they bad agreed to the Lords' amendment., who promised Cooper?" He had a list of chairman and colour- The Perth Prison Bill passed through Committee, and men, but no payments were made. He attended the Liberal was reported. Committee every night, and he was satisfied Mr. Wren was The Dublin University Right of Voting Bill, which never there. takes away the Parliamentary suffrage from persons who Abraham Cave was called, but there was nothing of import have only an honorary degree, also passed through ante in his evidence. Committee, anti was reported. Edward Cockerell proved that Wren told him, when he re- EMPLOYMENT IN MINES, &e. ceived the Speaker's warrant in September, he was offered three hundred pounds by Mr. Baker, if he withdrew his The Earl of GALLOWAY presented a petition from objections, and told what he knew of the election. Mr. Wren , Callander, and other places in Scotland, in favour of told him that he had never received any money from Mr. Lord Ashley's Bill. Mackay. He (witness) did what he could to forward the interest of Lord Bruce and Mr. Martyn. To Mr, BAKER—Wren did not withdraw the objections. To the CHAIRMAN—He had no doubt that bribery was committed on both sides. It did not come un , Ter his own ob servation. Persons asked him for bribes. lie did not counte nance such applications. Samuel Linney proved that Redwards told him he had not received any money as a bribe. Redwards commenced the conversation with him. Thomas Brown was present. Did not kn w much of Redwards. Henry Pike proved that Wren did not show him ten pounds on the day of nomination, which he said he got from Mr. Mackay. Has not the slightest recollection of it. It was not likely that such a circumstance would have taken place without his recollecting it. Never told Wren he got 22/. fur a dinner at the Albion. Wren told him he was made an offer by Mr. Baker. To Mr. BAKER—Is a strong Conservative. Got 101. at the last election ; it was, in exchange for other money ; had two rooms occupied in his house ; one of them was a refreshment room ; supplied refreshments; was pot paid ; did not expect any payment. There was a cheque fer '22/. in his name. lie did net receive the money . The banker's accounts are wrong. Knows the Godleys. Did not pay them any money. Did not pay either of them. Did not employ them, or either of them as messengers. (Mr. Baker here referred to the evi dence taken before the late Committee, by which it appeared that the witness employed one of the God leys at ss. a-day, and paid him about 41.) His memory was now refreshed.—(Laughter.) He did pay Godley some money. He paid it out of his own pocket. He did not state to the late Committee what he stated to-day about Wren. Thonias Twyford was next called, and stated that Mr. Wren canvassed him -at the last election, and gave him a note to a person called Mackay. Is a tenant of Mr. Abrahams. Mr. Abrahams did not canvass him for his vote. To to Mr. BAKER—Knew Wren before the election. Ile did not promise Wren to vote. He asked witness to vote for Martyn and Bruce. Witness answered that it was likely he would. Witness said he did not like to be losing his time. Wren asked him whether 51. would be an object to him He (witness) answered it would, and he wished he could get it. On the day of the election Wren desired him to breakfast at Pike's ; lie did so, and from thence he went to vote. He afterwards called on Wren for the money ; but he ( Wren) said he had given away what he had. He gave witness a letter to Mr. Mackay. He did not know what Mr. Mackay it was. He did not take the letter to Mr. Mackay ; he tore it up. To the COMMITTEE—Cannot say why he tore the letter up. Cannot say why he should tear the letter, by which he was to get the 5/. he was so anxious to receive. He did not expect anything from Wren. Joseph Clerk was called, and stated that Charles Brown came up to him and took gold and notes out of his pocket, and said " that is the way we are doing it," He knew Brown was ac tive on the Conservative side. Thinks it was not likely he could have such a sum of own. Believes that there was bribery and.treating at Southampton at the last election. -- William Gale exarnined--Was a voter at the last election. Vottl . forLord:Eiruee - sna Martyh.: lisle employed him •as a - messenger. He got , 7s. 6d: a day, and was-paid weekly. He-was also employed as colourman at U. a day. He was em ployed two clays as colourman. That money is due to him. Charles Brown stated that the money he had in his hand, and which •he - showed to Mr. Clark and Mr. Buchan, were things which -lie procured for the purpose. The notes were what are called " flash" notes. He did it by way of a joke. The votes will follow those who have plenty of money. Knew& Mr. Wren. Saw him at the time the late Committee was sitting. Mr. Wrest came to him and said that he (Wren) ,Ais!.ed to speak with Mr. Deacon. Witness in formed Mr. Deacon, and then he tank Wren to him. He left them speaking together. He did not hear what they were speaking about. Mr. Joseph Ball Stated that he had signed cheques. One was fur 75/. ; it went to pay for dinners. Received a letter from Wren stating that there were seven or eight voters who could be bribed. He saw Wren, and said it was absurd to bribe, as the election was secure. He went with %Vren to Portwood to see a voter named Russell. Saw Russell hut did not speak to him Wm. Hogson, an innkeeper of Southampton, stated he had supplied dinners and grog to several voters, and was paid 1801. by Mr. Cheeseman. Mr. Cheeseman, president, Mr. Lucas, the secretary, and Mr. Scobell, the treasurer of the Conservative Convivial Asso ciation, were called, and produced the books and accounts of the Association. In reply to Mr. Baker, Mr. Cheeseman stated he had re ceived 400/. from Mr. Mabson and Mr. Stebbing, out of which he paid the debts of the Association, for dinners, &c. One half of this money was given to him subsequent to the election. The examination of this witness having concluded the Com• mittee adjourned. iC it Altiuns SUDBURY. On the motion of the Marquis of CLANRICARDE, the Sudbury Witnesses Indemnity Bill was read a second time, went through Committee, was reported, read a third time, and raised, the Standing Orders hav ing been suspended to facilitate its progress. LORD ASHLEY'S BILL. _ The Marquis of LONDONDERRY presented petitions from Durham and Yorkshire against certain portions of the Mines and Colliel ie4 Bill. He took that opportu nity of denying that the coal-owners had entered into any compromise with the promoters of Lord Ashley's Bill. RAILWAYS. Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from Mr. George Waltet', managing director of the Greenwich Railway, setting forth that the petitioner had invented a means of preventing the overturning of railway carriages, by making the centre of the carriages the centre of their gravity, and praying for inquiry. MINES AND COLLIERIES. Lord WHARNCLIFFE stated, in reference to the petitions on this subject presented by Lord Londonderry, that it was the intention of the Government to remain perfectly passive in the matter. The irl of CLARENDON presented a petition from the Union of Dudley against the Bill. BIRMINGHAM POLICE. Lord REDESDALE presented a petition, signed by 15,000 inhabit,nts and rate-payers of Birmingham, pray ing that the House would take some means to reduce the expenses of the Police force, and that they might be re lieved from the present charter Qf incorporation. SUDBURY DISFRANCHISEMENT. The NOBLE Loan also presented a petition from the Mayer and inhabitants of Sudbury, against the disfran chisement.of that borough. The petitioners stated. that they thought Sudbury was no worse than a great many other boroughs, and that a whole borough ought nut to be punished for the delinquencies of a few. MINES AND COLLIERIES BILL. Lcrd BROUGHAM presented several petitions from places in Shropshire, Yorkshire, and other mining dis tricts, some •in favour of, and some against this Bill. Numerous petitions for and against Lord Ashley'); Mines and Collieries Employment Bill, were presented by the Earl of Wicklow, Lord Monteagle, Earl Stan hope, the Earl of Scarborough, an I Lord Denman. EDUCATION.—HULLAII'S SYSTEM. LordAVHARNCLIFFE laid upon the table the Report of the Education Committee of her Majesty's Council, and said he had also to present, pursuant to notice, a petition from 1,600 persons who had been in structed in music at Exeter Hall, chiefly at the, expense of an institution, - whichavas endeavouring to. disseMinate as widely as possible a taste fur music and other ele men ta IA a refined Tedueti on:amongst , the. humbler classes of their countrymen. The petitions prayed that Parlia• ment would render pecuniary assistance to enable those per - Sins` - effectually to - -execate • • their ad 's:lttable • desigriS. - Those 'persontt' first thought' that the best •••mean;i of disseminating amongst the people a taste for this science would be by teaching music to schoolmasters and schoolmistresses. They commenced on this plan in 1841, entirely at their own expense, but after it had become known that the school- Masters and mistresses derived so much advantage, the desire seized numerous mechanics and artisans to be allowed to participate in it, and at the present moment there were no less than 50,000 persons, in fifteen classes, receiving instruction. Those persons desired to have the means of acquiring, in a similar manner, a knowledge Of other elements such as arithmetic and litlear drawing. Several Noble Lords were present, as well as himself, at the choral meeting - which was held at Exeter-hall for the purpose of showing what had been the proficiency-of Mr. Hullah's class there in a very short time—(Heat, hear)—and he could appeal not only to them for the extraordinary proficiency, but he could state a foreign musician of eminence--indeed it was Men delssohn—expressed to him his delight and astonish ment, and his conviction that Mr. Hullah had conferred upon his country the greatest possible benefit.--(Hear, hear.) The Committee of the Council had had applica tions from all parts of the country for assistance in carrying Mr. Hullah's system into effect, and they found that the grant of 30,0001. was altogether insufficient to meet the desire for education which pervaded the country. They had money granted for the establish ment of schools, but what was the good of schools unless they had good schoolmasters?—(Hear, hear.) There Was a school under the management of Mr. Stowe at Glasgow, and though that school produced excellent schoolmasters, they did not seem to work together with .the General Assembly. The Government then agreed to give • 5,0001. towards the establishment of a normal school in Glasgow, and 5;0001. towards a normal school in Edinburgh, provided the management of . those schools were allowed to reside in the hands of the General Assembly. The whole of Scotland was now provided with efficient schoolmasters. Other sums of money were granted for the establishment of schools all over the country, and numerous applications had been made, on the part of others, to provide them with nor mal schools. Their Lordships must see, that if they assented to all these requests, the demand for money must far exceed the small sum annually allowed by Par liamentfur the purposes of education and school build ing. There was one part of the present system to which •he objected as unnecessary and expensive, and that was' the system of inspection and repo: ting to Parliament. He could not see what reason there was for reporting ts Parliament the state of every one of the se school, which would lay open the Managers of any of then', at anytime, to attacks in the House of Commons. He was of opinion, • however, that reports should be made to the. Council of Education and the Diocesan ; but, for any thing inure th.li that, he certainly could not see the necessity. He could nut help thinking that if Parliament would • grant the requisite funds, he was sure no one would grudge the money, and they should go on so rapidly in the course of education, that England would, in a very short tithe, be the best educated country in the world. • The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was glad to see that the Noble Lord opposite was prepared to extend an.l carry out that system which had, for the last few years, been adopted to improve the education of the country. The Noble Baron, in presenting the petition, had stated clearly and distinctly to the House the whole of the circumstances attendant upon the introduction of the wonderful system of singing taught by Mr. Mullah. He, from the first, was convinced that the experiment of Mr. Hullah would succeed ; and the success had been infinitely greater than he had anticipated. Immediately after the first class was announced at Exeter Hall, seventy persons subscribed their names ; and by the time that class had gone through the course, three other classes of one hundred persons each were formed, and there were now fifteen classes, attended by 2,500 persons at a time. He agreed with the Noble Baron (Lind Wharncliffe) as to the excellent influence of musical education upon' the working classes, and he hoped that Parliament would empower the Com mittee of the Council to give pecuniary assistance for the extension of this kind of education. But he hoped such assistance would not be rendered by a deduction • from the present grant.—(Hear, hear.) Those who re commended the grant were told that they would fail in their object of creating a desire for education ; but happily, as the Noble Lord (Wharncliffe) had testified, the result was, that an extraordinary stimulus had been given to that desire, which was now so great as to re quire a very much larger sum than had been placed at the command of the Council to meet it.—(Hear, hear.) A great -stimulus had been given to the benevolent to promote education from private sources, in which they would have despaired to embark, if they were not en couraged by the hope of assistance from the Govern ment fund.—(Hear, hear.) . The result of the experi ment showed that there could be no better instrument for carrying a national system of education into effect than the Committee of Council, both in respect to inspection and control. But a much larger sum than had been hitherto granted was necessary to carry the system into Bill effect, and even in - these times of distress he did not think that a grant could be more beneficially applied. In the vicissitudes to which the trade and manufactures of this country wereliable, what could be more desirable. than to place the working man in a condition, by superior education, to transfer his labour from one branch of in dustry to another?—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Marquis then read an extract from the evidence of a foreign ma nufacturer, who employed a number of persons of various countries, Saxon, Swiss, and English, who stated that an Englishman in his own particular branch was superior to the others, but that on account of the more limited nature of his education, he was as able as the Swiss, tut less so than the Saxon, to adapt himself to emergencies—to apply himself on an occasion to another branch of. work. —(Hear, hear.) He concluded by thanking the Noble President of the Council for his statement, runt expres sing his concurrence in his views. Lord BROUGHAM believed that his two Noble Friends the present Lord President of the Council, and the late Lord President of the Council, would expect that he should offer them his thanks for their gratifying statements. But lie differed from them in this, that he did not think that education could progress too rapidly, although lie had always been glad to ass i s t its progress, hoe ever moderate, however slow. Th ere was oneb part of the Noble Baron's statement whi c h he had heard with regret ; it was, that 5,000 Z had been given to certain schools in Scotland, on condition that they were put under the management of the General Assembl T° I t3l he (laird Brougham) enterta i ned the highest r3e''speletllio; the General Assembly, he did think Hutt the Dissenters should be allowed to enjoy the advantages of those : granta to a certain extent ; he should, therefore, beg to suggest that a portion of the grant should be given to tins body in Scotland, muse ering to the British and Foreign Bible Societies, if there were such a body. Lord WHARNCLIFFE said it would be time enough to think about allowing grants to the Dissenters when they built normal schools. The matter then dropped. DRAINAGE BILL. This Bill was read a second time. DRAINAGE (IRELAND) BILL. This. Bill was read a second time. MINES AND COLLIERIES BILL. Earl DEVON postponed the second reading of this Bill till Thursday next. -~^"- ;{ BANKRUPTCY BIM CHANCE _IA L et, wit:, r.,{itest 111411 stated - that, in accord- 1 r: , :::!eived. he had con- F as , e• ~ i -•• ; e m eon a atter (...f such imi:orta w ilee i 11.,• • i LI , , '4-1; , , 90 au i.: L L., 1 , ,w , upon it w ith tile lin e ,' Jutig,:s io W 100" 0 ,9, pr , •, ,;•.?e the prisoner bad been tried, sand with-the-lawi°o •• ,'• of the Crowa---the" Attorney-General-awl tit , o - 4 tieneral—by whotu that prosecution had be, - • , :•-'1 1 .- gc .0 i ducted. The result of that conferenee - Was'an i i i ::::iirit ,J A B .„ 4 4 . , 4216...-- - - - - 1 opinion, upon a review of the whole of the •,..,:iy:1!:1 00 0 HOUSE OF COMMONS, Jul, 12. I of the case, that it was not advit;able, it ii ;;t io,%tneetraattn' The Sri:Ll:Km( teals the Chair at Four o'clock. • iluit the capital, sentence should be carzi: „ i,:it• , _•: , :cjtt7ro, 4l 4 . rhk , c ,,,, lmsi „ ng an d 2,•i n i r ki r k Roads (No. 2)' Bill, the tier. The opinion of the Judges 'was foutaf 1.. ;;; pr"; b i te' Paterson's Estate Bill, the Davidson's Estate Bill, Duke cise conformity with that of the law officers of the Croivno'lT of Cleveland's Estate Bill, Vere's Divorce Bill, and Vis- by whom the prosecution had been conducted. Under therl i n iu count Fitzwilliam's Estate Bill, were read a third time circumstances, he thought the House would be of oPit i !, iea s and passed. . nion that, they had taken a more effectual security etesi The Lords' amendments were agreed to in the Toxteth against the repetition of such a n o ff ence , than if they :.,, t i Park Paving and Sewerage (No. 2 e the Leeds Improve- were to depart from the usual course of proceeding. : 1 .! 7 ,,-eil merit, and the Leeds Burial Grounds Bills. was not nec essa ry for , him to enter into a detain.eas POOR-LAW AMENDMENT ACT. of the reasons which induced them to come to that denies: el! An HON. MEMBER presented a petition from unions sion ; it would be, he thought, sufficient for him to point a se in Gloucestershire and Warwickshire against the out that the law officers of the Crown had advised thei:;?.o bastardy clause in the New Poor-law Bill. 'adoption of such a course. The Bill he proposed would. yn NATIONAL EDUCATION (IRELAND). also provide for other offences besides those which aei Mr. Sergeant JACKSON presented a petition from bore the name of high treason.. The Bill would snhi. e l . .' ; ',ol some place in Cork against the .system of National Elm- to severer punishment than could be at present applie .eat cation in Ireland, and in favour of the system adopted by all tho ie ot&nces which were,connected with the discharge ~,o the Church Education Society. _ - of fire-arms, or attempts to annoy her Majesty, even al TOBACCO REGULATIONS BILL. where the case did not amount to high treason.. sr? , Mr. LITTON presented a petition from Coleraine, in He did n t think he could do better than read to the; -; Londonderry, against certain clauses in this Hill, more par- House this new class of offences, against which it iv.a i s e - f e titularly the sth, preventing the retailers of tobacco from proposed to provide. He proposed, that after tl .. : : .,, ;‘ 4 selling sugar and molasses in the same premises where passing of this. Act, if any person discharge, or eta ; 91e/ tobacco is sold. tempt to discharge, or point, aim, or present at, or ne!' ~0 j MR. HULLAII'S CLASSES. the person of the Queen any gun, pistol, or other de ; :',,e s Sir R. PEEL rose, pursuant to a notice he had given, scription of fire-arms, or any other arms what- 1 4 to present a petition from the pupils educated at Exeter soever, although the same should not contelli ;: s; Hall,. under the sanction of the Council of Education. any explosive or destructive material ; or sha t ', ,- Ile had been requested by certain parties to present this discharge, or attempt to discharge, any petition, and as the tenor of it was such that it could substance or material at or near the person 2 :7, offend no cne, he had acceded to the request to present the Queen ; or if any person strike, or attempt to strie' e , :o l! it. As he was presenting a petition, • the rules of the the persOn of the Queen with any offensive weapon 0 0 .r_ e• !! House would not allow him to do otherwise than read it, by an y other means whatsoever, or wilfully throw : F .. te ")° ..o ; and that was the course whioit he should therefore adopt. attempt to throw any substance whatsoever at The Right Hon. Gentleman proceeded to read the heads or on the person of the Queen, with intel7-Soe of the petition, which stated that on the Ist February, in any case aforesaid to injure the ners:, l ,„os 1841, the singing class was established ; since then 400 of the Queen, or with intent, in any of the aforesi,:Ne schoolmasters and schoolmistresses had been instructed cases to break the public peace— ho proposed t, a ne by Mr. Hullah, and now there were not less than 50,000 every such person so offending should be sub4.kentst exploso_er,o.. children in London learning singing from the masters to certain punishment, not of undue severity. ;; i est a and mistresses who had pr e viously rece ived their instruc- thought that this law would derive great efgeau4s,:s i l t don from Mr. Hullah. 'she petitioners were anxious from public ,opinion. He proposed that a party so e il en s i to be instructed in any other branch of edu- fending—that was, intending to hurt her Majesty the ;b,B cation which the Council of Education migh t fully, or annoy her, should be subjected to eie put within their reach ; and they stated that classes same penalties which applied to offences : -of larcettY.ls.6en h a d already been formed for ylrawing and writing. The —that airs to say, parties so offending s hould be slthi et :,,A petition concluded by praying that the House - would be •to transportation for a period not exceeding sere sell pleased to make such alterati ons i n - th e t e rms of the years . B u t he: proposed that the party should 1 . 11 -,sf! g r a nt, as would enable the Committee of the Coun cil subject also to another-punishment which he tlwag to appropriate such sums of money as •mi •lit much more worthy of the offence, and much more cute,; be necessary towards the ex p enses of educating lasted to repress it, viz., that there should be a diser „. the pupils in Exeter Hall. He (Sir R. Peel) assented tionary power to imprison for a given period, and to ". to the prayer of the petition ; h e a pp rove d o f singing, filet personal chastisement.—(Loud and general cheoei,, for he thought it would tend to improve the order of the jug.) With this punishment he thought th.s; c hildren in schools, and promote the progress of educa- miscreants would nut be incited to the offence by h et ",„ tion. He thought the application of a small sum of made the objects of that disgraceful . and stupid sYn t i?,„„ . • money, in the manner prayed fur, could not be consi- thy which seine people felt for offenders of that dese e r i n dered objectionable. tion. Let it be known to the world that if -men could ue Mr. LIDDELL presented a petition from the Board ' actuated, by base and malignant motives, to codeasoed of Guardians of Durham, against the bastardy clause in to prevent the Sovereign from enjoying in peace o ,a_ , • the New Poor-law Act ; also a petition to the same tranquillity the rights and privileges of her stayer! effect from the Board.of Guardittes of Essington. Da the punishmentiufficted for such detestable acts would,,st NOTICES OF MOTIONS, . severe personal chastisement. Ile confidently hoped t 9 Mr. WALLACE gave notice that, at the euturneece- without calls,! in aid extreme severity, the provio, a , anent of the next session, b e s h ou ld move for a Commit- of the law which he was about to introduce, a ould effee' , , tee to inquire whether it be desirable •to have a different ally prevent• the repetition of such attempts. - 1- 1 '„9 1 standard of value than was at-present in use. He should had not to guard against attempts on her ;110„„e s 'l ee also move for a Committee . to inquire into•the practice CroWn, but against miscreants who committed an ono' _ er oldie Scotch LaW CtsurtS. ' : - i : . with scarcely an assignable Motive. The law had .111 : 11 , Dr. BOWRI.Na Moved for a return of the newspaper contemplated the possibility that any help- , ? p r ee • f inlg stamps and advertisement duty since the last return.— form .of a man could find any satisfaction: An .Ordc rvil. a pistol ut a yOung lady—that holy a ntoth er .:, , _,.. .. •- Mr, HUME .gave notice : that, on, Thursday . next, he elettalady - the Queen, of these realais ; ,end it " le should move for a similar return to thaWhiCh lie lied monstrous that that lady should nut be entitled-t 0 , t lie N ate ni already move:4 for relative to flag-officers.' same protection as the meanest of her eubjects.-e - vel e e Colonel SIPTHORP expressed a hope that her Ma- He hoped the house would respond to the proposit tt., jesty's Government would be:pleas - ed•to lay on the table that a new security should be given to her Mai es d a of the House cer sin papers which he had moved- for as They knew that her Majesty might repose with 1 e , • far back as Ju'y last. they being important documents gee atest confidence on the affections of her poi' of relating to the• continuance. of a paid Commission. what they had to guard against was the designs, u , Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from Pais- t h ese wre t c h e d m i screan t s —d es i gns w hi c h were eetebut. Icy, praying for an inquiry into the distressed state of fated not only to disturb her Majesty's peace , et . that town ; also a petition from the North Riding of, the t h e peace o f ever y l o y a l su bj ect o f th e rea l m . The era o f . county of York against the New Poor-law Bill. - ment which lie proposed trenched upon no principl e ie. : Captain PECHELL wished to put. a question to the English jurisdiction, imposed no undue severe ,E c e : Right• Hon. Baronet with reference to two Bills which were n i s h men t. H e was s ur e - that th e measure 01 ' . to be read a third time that evening — the Fishery Treaty he proposed would meet with the unanimous a u le ; Continuance Bill and the Slave `Treaty Continuance Bill. p rove l o f th a t H ouse , an d th a t ever y M e mber ivf ie e He wished to know if the former treaty' Lad been brought retire from his Parliamentary labours with the '! 1 ;, e • to a conclusion, and he also wished to ask, with re- satisfaction of thinking that he had, by his vote, contrite; . ted to that security and that tranquillity which • c s spect to the Slave Treaty Continuance Bill, whether it teas the intention of the Government to bring in a Bill Sovereign had a right, equally with her subjects, to eyl. ( e for the division, amongst the captors, of property taken The Right lion. Baronet then moved for leave to bri.; under the Portuguese flag in 1830 . 7 in a Bill for providing for the further security a nd I) , • I Sir R. PEEL said he wished the Bon. • Mereber tection of her Majesty's person.—(Cheers.) Oa had given notice in the morning of his intention. Lord. J. RUSSELL said he rose to express his co t Ise He (Sir R. Peel) could give no satisfactory information assent to the- motion of the Right Hon. Gentleneany , ers : • with respect to the Fishery Treaty Bill. With respect ent i re l y agree d, tbat when new mischievous crime s ,r be . to the latter - question, the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman committed, it was desirable that the -law shoutwno - would not be surprised if it was not the intention of her made .adequate to meet those offences. - The 1:1 1 0 0 ,' Majesty's Government at present to introduce such a: Honourable Gentleman, as he understood, • ditteelf ;/ Bill. - . or' -," propose at all to alter the- law of treason, ere .40 Mr. T. EGERTON presented' a petition from Chester offences which came tinder that - desert' '. 2 0 • • • - 0 , s sc against the bastardy clause in the new Poor-law Bill. In fact, they had not then to deal with plotseaqt li BILL Nit • THE BETTER SECURITY OF HER racks for the purpose of overturnitiolllB - uta MAJESTY.o • 2 5 ',y rg v-• • With respect to crimes of that kind, certain:A.o, Sir R. PEEL rose and said that .he apprehended the had been provided by the law, and were fitlll eet le'': House would not consider that it was upon light and vided, and with regard to o n e o f th e m, Wi es e trifling grounds that he called their attention to the the power o f being d e f e nd e d by Counselehad been s'"n,e;: state of the law which provided for the personal security extended to persons accused of felony of an ordinal-oe of the Sovereign—(Loud cheers)—and the necessity turo. But the offence with which the Right: 11,0 . i ee. , of giving such additional protection to tie ronet proposed to deal was new in its kind. It did not I r e ir person of the Sovereign as much as enactments by law from any political p .ssions, but, es stated by the Bt i g oe , could secure. He said he did not make that proposal lion. Gentleman, from some base and malignant pito .or upon light or trifling grounds, when it was notorious to injure the person of the Sovereign. When they i e. that within the short period of two years three assaults • offences of this description committed so frequea tl Y o o upon the person of her Majesty had been made, they had seen them committed within two years, l' h i e ll having been committed by the discharge, or attempt to a case when the law should be altered, and in 0: , t i discharge, fire arms, either endangering the personal ; means should be provided to bring those 1 .05 „ r e 't security of her Majesty or calculated to excite :to trial speedily, and without those solemnities fitly !"041'l, ahtrui and apprehension in the mind •of her. Ma- vided for crimes of a much graver nature as re s P : "de jesay ; disturbing the public feeling and the public mind, by ; the srat,.._ ( llear, hear.) With regard to or (11 , 11 . 0 se naturally giving rise to great apprehension for the safety ' cases of treason, there was great difficulty in i . t , e : e n 4 the Sovereign.—(Cheers.) It it were poss . ble for a taming w h e th er t h e y were the result of a consP D 'ers . law to afford additional protection, Parliament ought but the offence for which the present remedy on'' ' L lee not to separate before it enacted such a law. He was vided was committed in the thee of day, and 0' Ile glad to state, that in considering the means of providing • committed in the presence of many pers'n''.• w oi that addiVonal protection, he did not feel it necessary to agreed with the Right Hen. Gentleman that it l an cal in the aid of extreme punishment. He did not con- ' , right to meet such offences with a new ,at ' template the necessity u`' creating any new treasons, and and he also agreed with him as to the kind o fpunisb n :,,,re be did not contemplate the enacting • any new capital lie proposed to inflict.—(Hear, hear.) As they l a se punishments, for offences directed against the - offences of a base and degraded being, a n est flogof the Sovereign.—(Hear, .hear.) He thought the ! an d d egra d e d s p ec i es o f p un i s h men t wo uld be e s l object might be effected without either the constitution - fittingly applied •to them.—(hear, hear.) -L E ee re ;of DOW treasons or the infliction of new capital punish- hard to know their motives. lie could not cooJ e- t he mums. If the state of the law were such that it eneuns- : how any person could be tempted to interfere with rife : tiered the trial of certain offences with needless forms and ; ordinary recreations of the Sovereign, and dvP h e solemnities which were calculated to- administer to . her Majesty Of that fair exercise to which , o .' s s the morbid vanity of the individuals who committed was entitled—(Hear, hear)—and as they knew sh e lie those crimes, partly to secure them an Amen- exposed to those attempts more than other s ' o h viable notoriety ; •in those cases tiros y solemni- • entirely agreed that it was time to hoe' t o • ties and formal proceedings should be dispensed a remedy provided us would put an 01 " f og with. It became necessary, for the purpose of explaining suc h attempts , . an d b e e ff ec t ua l in s t "P,' l s et' to the House the character and tenor of the wasure he that love of notoriety from which they e et proposed, shortly to review the existing state of suosed to proceed.—(Hear, hear.) When it r ot the law with respect to treasonable attempts on found they were treated with the n111) 01 , 1 0 4 the life of the Sovereign in. this country. He - they properly deserved, he trusted that in l'a e ne might throw from his consideration all those acts of . years they would not have the pain Of ;v ia constructive treason, such as levying war, or an attempt tiessing crimes, not only distressing to them, e s P e ere to force her Majesty's consent to certain measures by pa i n an d a l arm to the Sovereign, but as the,' . intimidation. It was only necessary for him to refer to clearly disgraceful to the nation.—(Cheers.) nen' . enactments which provided for the personal security 1 Mr. HUME trusted that the House uould %jet I of the Sovereign, and those laws which' provided pu- I mously agree to support the proposal of the " fee l nishment for offences connected with the personal secu- • Honourable Baronet. He would suggest tl i i e rt lie, rity of the Sovereign. Now the state of the law at pre- ! officers of the Crown should tioa. "' le. ' l' L ' i sent—confining himself to treasonable offences directed 1 to revise all the old statutes bearing up o n the la a nei against the 'personal security of the :Sovereign— rested : treason, and should frame them into one c ompre ltel'' ,' upon an ancient statute of Edward 111., by which it was ' • enactment. i s re provided that it was treason to compass the death of the Mr. O'CONNELL hoped it would not be ""i ' :11 la Sovereign ; that compassing the death of the Sovereign presumptuous in him, if he interfered on an occo i l:, " , he must be accompanied by some overt act, such which the House was certainly unanimous. •'-'; hi f as a direct attempt against the life of the could not avoid • 'time (}; art expressing, in name , F Sovereign. On the subject of constructive treason he constitutents, and in the name of that be er did not intend to enter. But as far as the personal of the empire from which he came, the universal ","ees° security of the Sovereign was concerned, compassing rence felt there for those base attempts which ba d Vet the death of the Sovereign, accompanied by an overt act, made upon the life of her Majesty. He was th, 9 d fj t iee ; was made treason by the statute of Edward 111. At to her Majesty's Government for the ititroue c ote a subsequent period, so recently as the 36th Geo. 111., of a measure which was calculated to mark with tl e '. e n este'; chap. 96, in consequence of an attempt made upon tom t eas execration of the nation those brutal o 'l l ,lll the life of his . Majesty, the, statute was passed If in private life an assault upon a mother goiner ° h . ' ik ., c ilti %ilia made it treason to compass the death or children to the worship of her God is o.ald be. a ' s lw ' r u e . -destruction of the Sovereign, or the infliction of any abhorrencehow much more were those attemPt' ° f •el3l bodily injury to the Sovereign tending to death and de life of the ' most universally popular 0 and Sovereign. o ,4l struction, or the maiming of the Sovereign. There was countrv, who was the object of the admire; nlif'e no change: until the year 1799. If. the indictment was ofall, calculated - the the affection , proved of a charge of treason, it-was necessary - 0 try nation ? That these brutal offences should be e°'';;eijaa prisoner with all the solemn practices of the law. That eta- e ver), of was a disace to the nation, and afflictin to lute passed in the reign of George 111. In the year fe el ing. He •' d findthe night went rejoice to that e. j ogs f 1799 an attempt was made on the life of George thee, , n • • Third, by a person'of the name of Hatfiele, a conviction . nourable Baronet had brought forward fh wa y A took place on the ground .of insanity. The form motion.. The rules should not stand in th e hor, dhe et of proceeding was under the Act of William. the immediate s,ing of such a Bill, an , . t eldin,isle By the Act of 1800 : in case of. the offence of compassing ; 'would contain a ro the measureclause P as pos' • the death of the King, accompanied by some overt act, punishment should follow the offence as soon ~ the form of trial was dispensed with, and the trial made • tre i after it had been committed.—(Hear, hear.) . i A. tire )1 tev the same as in cases of ordinary murder and malicious ; Colonel SIB THORF approved of themet!s. „ Inl et, li shooting. But if the offence was committed under the 1 duced by her Majesty's Go : vernment. He onl) : _l o f' e stle statute of the 3Gth George 111., and was that of coin : • pass- 1 that the punishment proposed tor the crime in 1 ing the wounding of the Sovereign, there was no power was not still greater.. : 0 Bill. - s' "the n ;of dispensing with all the solemnity . of a trial for ! Leave was then given to bring in the was he: • high treason, and the person must be arraigned under Sir R. PEEL brought -in the Bill, which. . set to er ne' e that statute. What he propoSed was, that, in the second i read a first and second time, and was case, as • well us the first, the proceedings should committed to•morrow. .a be of the ordinary description, known to the urdi- POOR-LAW AMENDIN se I rNT 81, LT I e o us''; - nary cases of the law, and that it should not be ; On •• the motion of Sir R. ]'ELL, t • h a t - tite - • . o'o l° necessary to go through all the formalities described by 1 • '-• • • e ; VW • into Lohamttee on this , , . :th 4' petiti'" . et he Mr. Erskine in the trial of Hatfield. Immediately after ' Captain PECIIELL presented several _ vil _ .oil , the trial of Hatfield those formalities were dispensed with, Chester, Sundridge, East Grinstead, and " a es' and he could not help thinking, utter the experience they places, against the Bill. t , it 6 1s to tic e, to P" • ets had had in the repeated attempts upon her Majesty, Mr. LIDDELL rose, pursuant to ito ,.. .e , ,_*. ot i _ r from which the intention to kill or wound her Ma- I don to the Right lion. Baronet, the ace! t_u_ l o .' vere ec ii , jesty might be fairly hilexred, the investing those wretched 1 for the Home Department, relative to th , e lle p n tiie lerl, e , criminals with the dignity of traitors, and making I cised by me cent; al Board of Commisst ij i.. ,1p. , (:) , the: charge against diem with all the soleninities of high I eleventh clause of the Irish Poor-law ~ (: :.,__,.,r , t ! tile ~ die treason, almost tempted them to commit the crime, for the ! legation of the whole powers and attrin , la t s_, ion o l f l , 11 , sake of the sort of dignity with which it invested them. All 1 teal Bt'ard, in reference to the attain , ' , 1 ,:,. eel thy, 'oninelesiel i , , (0 i; that he proposed to do was that, where there was an attempt • : English Poor-law, to arty one C Tr ~ ,i , „1 „ 4 t' ' l „, t o , to wound the Sovereign, as well as in' the other Act I consent of the Secretary of State. ."' . ~, 11" . •_,,,Lt passed after the trial of,liatfield, the prisoner should 1 whether that clause was intended to , "t':': :.t 6 c; ;IT! . be tried by the ordinary tribunals of the country i and if it did, • whether they were p , p:z ' •qi . . ,, -` 0 as for an ordinary charge, and that all these ! the provisions of the Bill in that coun ft?. •,.. 1 ,,,_,,,,s- o , l a formalities should be disen4`ed with.. In this I Sir JAMES GRAHAM did not tinat i t' o , cis • Ito they were actiuig on the same, principle; us those ! enter at length into the. stileject r"ibtett-hel; tit" float 0 which had induced them to decide in the case of I Fi•iend. : It must be well known that ve, s,by t ie m it Francis, after full consideration, that notwith- i Mitt was passed it was not considered 1 1 . 1“ ;„ Lnee t:, , t ion te standing his life was forfeited to the laws of the I number of Commissioeers - elated," - Tic ti !, be , i n I! ~1 0 country, yet it would not be for the public interest ; was considered necessary that one sl: . n. l i e % `, o • ll b e t! , l ' , - t ee that lie should be executed. However heinous was his . told that he' ahonidhaVe all the p0wt:!" ,., 7 , lieee d ti ` ‘ tateinpt, yet ac ti ng i n accor d a n c e with the eonnnands of te the Coanuissitnl itself: Ile, tneselet t e ; w e. their most gracious SoVereign, they, applied the same : Speaker do now leave die Cheer. ~,,,, the iti,,_r„for, considerations to his case as they should have applied to I Mr. 'PHOMAS I.3U:COMItE a.l ~ ! I bi, . leili ii i i ) e be a case of common crime. Th e y had, therefore, in a Baronet if he seriously i":e"etel lifortnight d ' te eon' Cabinet Council, reviewed all the evidence taken against i the Coininissione had expired . ld be Pa sse him (Francis). They had resolved not to come to any I had proposed that a short Bill shou iecond reading Bill froi t.it Tlinviday tilt Monday next Their Lord c:l6ill' ships ixdjourned t:t