The Sun. — London, England, 1820-03-18 00:00:00

'on with the Durse he WO e defenditati 1 hat be would e defendapt s ,was 111 0 ‘ the proceed' vere clothe ( ' )g thought tt dfor the 9tbf himself - 3 10 h of Atigall' to have te" ly be lawfull I. They 84' Rich the os . sad now bs :b araougir is Our a stilg proceedei August, , t' out to;:d' e the neigh' Ch the LW assemble is majoriii described Is Their nuis' 'be have PO ne exam's' 'Wit: peace , inhabitsil at a time that trol l !ere seeti,° S poito . At .0 4 ' be stiotirtl ary order -II It they war' Jerable po r fader 134 0 r rated a 10'; Ai th ey pa' y might be r was trout guar . tad ma reb' cd that a le Tn th e he Boor e marebe 4 ;'s chester; - 11 , 6 strong or tiog, twat ° a glnriotli (4. Fro ° ter, bodi° 'ed that o s a sitod : s t ere thi s tithe 10 0 ; Manche.' preeedii 4 s , the then lyoti st-s be Ili'''. 'bite .5(/ / ' Ltd tizz4.' )roved to go into tbe question of revolutionary reform: On that subject mane honourable and patriotic men differed from each other., But whatever ea ' rieties of opinion might exist on this subject, there was no honest wan who would 'not resist to extremity rather thatecounterrance any attempt to alter the Constitution by force. But did not the motto, " Equal Representation or Death," go to • intimate that the parties composing the meeting • were determined to obtain equal representation, or death would ensue ? Did it not,,in effect, say, that those who displayed the banner considered .equal representation to be with them so far a sine gna non, that they were determined to obtain ir by • force, or perish ? Another banner was inscribed " - No Corn Laws." He commented on this, and -showed the extreme danger of exhibiting such a anotiaa be ore a multitude like that assembled at Manchester., of sixty thousand persons at least, • ~ b ut, according Jo some statements, that meeting consisted of not fewer than one hundred and fifty thousand persons. Ought the people, at a period • of such . severe distress, to be thus inflamed ? Let them meet to call for a Reform if ,they pleased ; but was it to he endured that they should assemble lii such iminense multitudes, to dictate the mea sures which they 'wished to see adopted, and to declare that, if that which they demanded, were not conceded, they would accept of nothing else ? lie briefly (unpile() on the three items of Parliamen tary Reform—Universal Stiffrage, Annual Parlia i knell's', and Vote by Ballot. To the Jury Ire sub mitted, that the weavers, shoemakers, and cot ton-Tioners, by whom these questions were agi tated, were not the most competent judges of the effects of those changes which they wished to in taodnee into the Constitution. He shot.'ed that the people, once made dissatisfied on these sub jects, ascribed to the want of the recommended changes all the evils with which Providence 'night afflict them. The folly of the mob, in Some respects. 11,e instanced, by referring to the meetings which took place, and the complaints Which were raised, : when it was found necessary to alter our calendar. Because eleven days were • added to the date of the day on which the change took place, many had the weakness to repine, as if they had been actually robbed of eleven days. nor:arch, in allusion to this subject, had must felicitously pictured the absurdities of the mob, by represeuting them ite one of his pictures as throa jug up their hats, and franticly calling out, 4 ' Give us back our eleven days !" There was about the same degree of reason in this cry as there wes in that of " Annual Parliaments, Uni versal Suffrage, and Vote by Ballot." ' But he had Dot yet done with the harmers :—Another of them Wsit inscribed, '' Let us die like men, and not be told like slaves Who, he wished to know, had beef) selling or attempting to sell the people of Royston, Oldham, Middleton, and the other pliers which that day bad poured their thousands into Manchester ?. He, for Ilia part, had heard of no selling of slaves, or any thing of the kind. What, then. Was the object or exhibiting such a banner ? On e flag was surmounted by a pike, and another , gave the representation of a dagger. What did these mean but this (though no man had the courage and audacity to say it with hie lips), that auch instruments might be useful---might procure the Reform wanted to benefit the people; ,but our • laws did not teach that any such . should be used. to reform the English Constitution. What was this meeting of the 16th Aue,ust ? Was it a meet ing of the tow n of Manchester ?-0 of Lanc as t er ? f the coun t y —or of any particular trade ?—No. Was it called by any person connected with the town ?—No. What then was the object —what • then was the purpose for which the meeting w as called ? These were questions to which the J , lry would have to direct their most serious consider : lion . must Submit that it cou ld on l y b e for e purpose of inspiring terror and alarm ; and ba would put it to them, if • any man of property •tould without alarm behold such bodies of weavers, sh oemakers, cotton spinners, and other mechanics ' and labourers, as moved on Manchester on the 16th 01 August, with all the threatening characteristics l of an invading army. Could su c h assem bli es b e awful i n a country where laws were framed for he protection of property ? If they coeld, it right he we ll t h at t h ey shou l d dispense with the le altoeether. It was impossible for such f a tetings t o b e to l erate d . Were they to be con - In"ed, they would compel the Government to raintain a larger military force than any friend to 4:country oauld ever desire to see in England. Zbat coul d the civil power do in such cas es , itho ut the a i d of the military ? What c ou ld t h e ~9 constables of M a n c h ester d o aga i nst a mo b of 6 j. 11, 000 men ? The Magistrates finding the mob : cr ease, as it did on the 16th o f-A ugust, k new t how far its ramifications might extend. How .(MC71141 th e y b e certa i n, that the people of Binning n' C oventry, ant i Preston,• were not coming 1 , , o upon th em as well .as th e ReforMers of ehdale Middleton, and Oldham The Ma lgistr p ert 4 tes in became alarmed, and pro alarmed, f or t h e sa f ety of the property and ,: i 7et of t h e i r fellow townsmen, and in copse cure they were induced to issue a warrant for 1 1 1 e le a pprehension ,o f the leader of the multitud e . 10 _ 1. w declared that meetings called t o i ns pi re the to and t error were i llegal. The meeting of ~1 6 tir of Au gust , if such were the law, must e ht u ellay be unla w f u l. Thi s would, be doubt e d be :mole out Irma stronger in evidence than " li "t hee stated by him. I n conc l us i on, he I,li eeln On the Jury to pay all attention to what 11't be urged by the defe n d ant , an d to g i ve, as _ txpli v .eBsin sure they wo u ld, a consc i ent i ous verdict, a r) : 1 g their belief. of the nature of the case, r ; the r ea l character of the meeting. 1 44 '`; 4 l as Fidl er was the f i rst witness called . He ke e p s th e th er 4°,1 public-house, three miles from Stockport; was witli :n the Bth August ; saw Mr. Hunt, who came in a gig, W it servant, dined there, and remained about four hours. t ) ,ri et He r 4 linows the defendant Moorhou - se; he is a coach pr0,14a,11 , 14 a, 11 auctionee r , at Stockport. Moorhouse was there ~rr o tli etz . , . he came after Mr. Hoot, accompanied by his he inqui re d if H unt was there, and stopped fire or n'oco,.nes; witness informed in i n H unt was gone toward s MoortionseAyas there before, WhilcHuut was in ! % tat) ; hn! he. did not come in, he only stopped opposite t e _it, nt.... 'e,L t . was half an hour after W. Hunt's arrival.. 11 4 4 s hen it is not true, as Mr. Scarlett statei, that I ' t Y Moorhouse, ancrby him conducted to Stockport ; kw. not tru e. o ' , tn ess , k r) .' w th,,, is, 77: l \ . he (witness) did not know whether Mr - . 1 ti t t tei 00010 1 nq2ei i f t; , e r d l f 2 or ye b a l r r s . .H i t i t e nt w ‘ a y s h- n n ttershtlet came; he Passed that way; he knew trim iutiarately ,for that time; he could not say whether he was in the• habit of at tending nfeetings before August last or not. Cross-examined by Hunt—This was the principal house at BM!struck. Mourhouse was not the only person who asked the question that day as to Hunt's being there . ; it was a pretty general inquiry, Witness did not know Mr. Johnson, of Manchester ; the ouly person who inquired fur him was a person named Jump, whom be did not admit.- Witness knew more of the persons charged with Moos - house; he heard of no plots going on ; he merely conducted three parties of two. Cross•examined by Serjeant HULLOCK—He. said he knew none of the parties who were injured, except Jump. Henry Lowax being sworn, said lie kept the White Lion at Stockport, on the Bth of August. On that day, late - at night, .he saw Illoot house and Hunt together; he saw them also next morning about eight 'o'clock. Mr. Hunt went into Moorhouse's late at night, and they came out together in the morning ; they were afterwards joined by another whom he did not kiiow, hut they called him Sir Charles Wolseley; he also saw Parson Harrison ; there was a crowd about them ; he thought the object of the crowd was to see Mr. Hunt; he saw no crowd in Stockport, except when Mr. Moorhouse or Mr. Hunt were making some of their speeches; they went int., Mr. Mourbouse's, Hunt, Moorhouse, and him ; they called Sir Charles. Mr. Hunt aid Sir Charles went into a gig, and Moorhouse and Harrison into one of Mourhouse's chaises.' • - Cross-examined by Mr. BA rutow—Moorhonse was not in the habit of taking in horses to bait, but on this occasion he saw_ Air. Hunt go into the yard he could not .say whe ther Mr. Mourhouse ever made any political speeches be fore August, hut then and alter gri.at crowds were often as sewbled round his house. He could not say whether any of Iris speeches 'were Made before Hunt came from the' New Bailey Prison. .Examined by Mr. I-I U LLOCK—Witness said he kept chaises, - but was not a rival of Mr. Moorbouse. He knew theetino-s to be held at iinilybrow, but never saw :Woodlouse there ; he must have noticed him if he - was there. He did not attend on . the hustings upon any of those occasions; witness was called upon to serve as a yeoman, and attended on the same busi ness at Manchester; Mr. Nloorhouse, however, might have been atthose meetings without his knowing it. He never saw the Duke of - Wellington pass through Stockport, nor a crowd round Mr. Scrjeant Cross upon any occasion ; he did not see. Mr. truss alter the Derby trials ; he was at Man chester as a Yeoman of Clieshire.-41cre the witness smiled.) Hunt—Th, you laugh at it; diet you see any thing at Man chester to laugh at ? 1 WitfiesS saw nothing particular there. Hunt—Did you see nothing particular; why then did y o u laugh ? Witness laughed at nothing particular. He went there for his - King and Country, and always should, if necessary; he saw no particular transactions ; he was dressed in uniforM, and had arms; nothing took place that struck him as being pani c:W:lr.; he saw some bann ers but no mar c hi ng in array, ex cept the yeomanry and soldiers; he' saw many in confusion running about. He was at St. Peters Field about an hour, or an hour and a half; he saw nothing particular. The Cheshire Y,uomanry had nothing to do but to stand on the ground. He saw people disabled, but it did Hot attract his particular attention, for he did no t, l oo k at t h em mach. Some were cut,, but. he didnot believe it was done by the Cheshire Yeomanry. Witness came from Stockport; he did not know at what hour he left Stockport : it might be by seven or eight. Between eight and one or two, he, with others of the Yeinen,Were led through different parts of the country. He saw nothing particular, unless the people running a l .vay, and the Stockport troop had nothing to do with them. He saw no banners tirl h e saw th em i n t h e !mods of the cavalry ; some of the banners were in the hands of the Stockport troop ; he' did not know how they got them. One of the young men of the troop got it in the crowd some way, and they took it back to Stockport. Nearly all the people were - gone before the Stockport troop came on the ground; they were-ordered to draw their swords before they came there; He saw people going to•the meet i ng, iiut none in military array. He only , observed two or three pass by at a time. Cross-examined by Mr. Serjeant Caoss—Witness was not. stationed with his i troop in sight of the Hustings; Lis corps were hot so stationed that they conic' see them. • • Michael Bentley, being •sworn said he lived a t E aton . Norris, near Stockp or t.- H e saw ' Mr. - Johnson on the after noon of the Bth of August; he was then on foot, but lie after wards saw him in a gig with Mr. Hunt; they were going to wards Stockport; .he did not-see where they went, but they turned off towards. a place called the Union Room ; he saw them the next day, *with Sir Charles iVolseley, going in the direction of Manchester. nufaetnrer, and could - not attend to his business, there were so many people running up and down. To a question from Mr. BARROW, witness said he di:4 not see Mr. Moorhouse in the carriage ; be did not know Saxton, one of the defendants ' • he did nut kn ow suc h a person. Cross-examined brHunt—Witn es s said he was •a fustian manufeethrer. There was a great deal of coefusion. The business of witness was cart ied ou iu Bessen-row, No. 5; nut in the road where .tht procession.. passed. Withy Grove was not mar Ins residence ; he stopped there to see the people pass, and was alarmed. Witness did not return home im mediately; he stopped at the corner of Hanging Ditch; he was alarmed at the black flag, ar.d thought they were going to level something. Witness is a married roan; his wife and children were at home; he took care that none of them were at Peterloo ; he was cer t a i n t h ey were not there. Witness did not go to the meeting; he never attended any of the kind ; he saw the black flag pass With): Grove, with the inscription, " Liberty or Death." He thought there would be a disturb-, ,trace and a fight; there wag no fighting while he was present, but there was something he did not like—a trumpet blew ing—people generally fought after, and not . before trumpets were blown. He saw th e w eavers run i mp to Hunt, many without coats; there were numbers of women as well as girls .and boys, all mixed together. What witness alluded to was nn the 9th, not the leoh; he could nut say whether the woe men marched or not, or whether they were alarmed. He saw sonueacquaintances from Oldham there, and many of his own townsmen. Witness went home about one o'clock to Ins dinner; he went to t i n Magistrate to express his fears; nob:: of the processions passed his house. Witnese was in York since Sunday night last; lie saw (legs and people marching in York, but was not alarmed. The meeting there and at Manebeeter had a different appearance, and were dif ferent things : one was like war or disturbance, and the other like merriment or rejoicing. [Here some slight manifestation of approval took place in the Gallery, and Mr. justice BAYLEY remarhe,l on the impro priety of such conduct, requesting that it might not be re-. peattd.] There was a report of large numbers to. come to Manches ter, and conning in that way with Caps of Liberty, and ban-. nets with " Liberty or Death," he was very much alarmed; witness saw none of those at. the Menchester MeetingSdrmik : he saw one rathei intoxicated at York; but, it was the sober processi in that appeared to bins like war,and not the druukeu one an. York. On 'being eross4xamined by Mr. CROSS, witness said, he kept his family at home., the.stre e ts were so t umu lt uous; he thought it dangerous for them to go into the streets. Tu a question from Hunt, witness said, lie did not know why the Magistrates were compared to nine tailors. Johnson asked whether there was any man a greater Ic, vetler than himself ? Witness said be paid many of the debts for whiebhe'wes committed to Lancast er ; h e was di sc h arge d under the Insolvent Debtors' Act ; he never fought with any man in High -street. Johnson litre wished to know whether he might put quese tiers relative eo the conduct of the witness's family ? Renee , answered in the fiegitive, fie asked whether the witness paid his debts . ) He did. net pay any of the money since leaving Lancaster Gaul ; lie was unfortimat e in ausiness, lost ali be had, aUti was not now in a capacity to pay ; he had a .wife and seven or eight children to support. • James Standrick was the next witness. He saw Mr. Hunt on the 9th of August in Manchester. He got up to address the people from a' gig s Witness was at Lis we e k. The r e were about 1000 people assembled. Hunt said, the 'first he heard of the meeting being postpeeed was when he gut to Bullocksinithy, and sew the nine Magistrates' names sub scribed to it, and it reminded bins of the old proverb—" It took nine tailors to make 'a Juan." He then said, that he knew the meeting was a legal one, and that another was to lie held on the following Monday. Witness did not hear bins say whether he should attend er not. • ' Cross-examined by .fliint—Witness said lie was a timber merchant ; he took no notes, but wrote down what be saw fur a person whom he thought to be employed by the Pence.— Witness did net state that Hunt mentioned his baying ins- - s portant business to attend, and could not be' at the mee:ing, nor his alluding to a blunder of the alaeistrates in time Bill. John Chadwick being sworn, he said he lived at Manchester, and was a shoemaker ; lie went to rueet'Mr. quilt on the eth of August; he did meet him in a gig with Johnson. Sir Charles Wolseley, Mr. Moorhouse, and Parson Harrismi were in a carriage; they passed through various parts of the fown, ac companied by abolit 300 peesple; the crowd 'increased; he .heard Mr. Hunt asking those round the gig 'to shout, which they did, and - it was repeated till begot to the Obserimr Office, where they halted; Hunt then got up and twirled his bat,' oa which the - people shouted; he made no speech till h e go t to Dier's Crop ; they stopped opposite Johnson's, and shouted - three times three, having previously twirled his lint; . when Cross-examined by Mr. Hunt—Witness was a clerk in 'a they arrived opposite the Sts Michael's public•house, he told counting-house; lie went in a coach to Manchester ou the them he Was invited to manufacture the Manchester Com t6th, but saw unperson cut; -be was at the hack of the bust- , mittee of Reform ; bather) stated that he saw a Proclamation jogs, and saw no act of violence till thelcayalry came; be saw the Mayor; th at it took nine tailors to make a man, and one or two men very insolent, they would break through' j of that it took ni ne M ayors to put o ut that Proclamation. The the ranks :if the constabl es; it struck him that th ere were :10 . or 60,000 persims present ; he went there merely frem CU- Proclaaietion never came from a shop full of tailors, and atter riosity; he was not a la rme d t ill atter the cavalry came on . turning r oun d to t h e Stoc k port people, said he hoped he the ground; be was then rattier afraid; there were or not ; he were two or ehould see them on the Ifith at the Manchester Meeting. three who would go thr oug h t h e crewel whethe chev then p asse d on to J o h nson ' s house, and limit -told th em saw no person cut ; there was.one constable pressed down by to disperse, but advised the Stockport people to brifig as many of their neighhotirs as they could on the 16th e wit the. crowd when the cavalry came; witness took refuge amon mess knew:, place called White clogs; it was about live miles the constables, among whom he had sonic relations; lie sa w from Manchester,- on the Blachney-road; . witness was at a double row of constables from the house . where the Magis- White-Moss- on the 14th of - August ;he got there befare trates were up to the Hustings ; Mr. Nadia was on the groued close to the Magistrates' house ; witness saw no per- daylight ; them e were matlypeopl e there; witness was attended by another young man from curiosity, because they heard son insult him; he beard him (Heat) requesting the people there were some men ,to he drilled ; there were ab ou t th ree the constables was Thonias. to be quiet and peaceable; th e re l at i on whom he had among hundred at fi rst, b ut kept increasing. They had a horn blowing, and fell into ranks like soldiers; different peoe Examined by Mr. BARlUM—Witness said be knew Mr. pie command e d ; when the horn blew they fell into rank Moorhouse; he saw hint in the carriag e , but could no t sa y like so ldi ers, and marched about; they made witness fill was upon the hustings. into lank all fell into their respective places, and formed Examined by Mr. Hu!•Lante—He saw !Woodlouse, Hunt, different companies, from Oldham, Manchester, and other Johnson, and a Lady, in the carr i age; i t was attended. by a places; th e y marched, counter-marched, and halted; witness crowd, and there were plenty of flags; he did not recollect that i_heard the words ".make ready, present," and on the word there were any bannersamong those who surrounded the ear- " bre" being given, they ell clapped their bands; about six ridge; he saw Hunt leave the carriage to get upon the host- o'clock they all fell into line, and. .wieness amoug the rest ; ings ; h e passed the Stockport people that morning; they e.the corumandersewer e country peopleewhout the witness did were upwards of a thousand; he recollected Hunt's saying, not know. "if any people broke the peace, they m us e get th eta down, Hunt submitted that this was not evidence, es the witness keep them down, and make them be quiet ;" he recollected did not any of those pr e s e nt ;- it h a d no cennex i en with no other word. the meeting of the 16th. T o a question from the Judge, he said, 'he could not tell Witness proceeded—H e saw M urray, mi d h eard a cry of how many might be able to hear H un t w h en he spoke. " A spy, a spy !" The first person he saw on the 16th lead- Mary Cadman being sworn, said she was s e rv an t to Moor- ing Middleton and Rochdale up, was a man be saw with a house, but had left Isis service; - she knew Hunt; there was a letter at the White Moss. Arian brought it about two hours bed made up for him at Moorhouse's. after witness saw Murray. W hen tie brought the letter, Here Hunt rose, and admitted that he slept there ; it was they formed into a solid square to bear it read ; the man not therefore necessary to examine her furth er on that point. who received it was placed in the middle. It was not read, Cross-examined by .Mr. BARROW—Wit ness s a id, Moor- for, as it had no came, they said they would have nothing to house was in the habit of frequently reading the• Bible; she do with it. The man who got the -letter was on the White . went to the meeting for curiosity; there was a vast number of Moss before witness, drilling the persons assembled there. women and children there; Moorhouse took - his wife there: Witness saw Murray on the Moss, and the mob running after she was then in the family way; she saw none of time children hiss, but he .did not follow them. There was another with of Moorhouse there. • Murray whom he did not know. He , went .to meet Hunt at Samuel Morton said, he lived near the St. Michael's Church Smedley Cottage ; there was a party collected there. There publieehouse at Manchester ; he saw persons assemble near were different crowds going, till Hunt left. the place ; be his house on the 9th; .there was a great noise that John.- was accompanied, so far as .witness knew, only by the Man son, Hunt, and 'Moorhouse were coming; there were thr e e chester mined. Th e Middl eton an d Rochdale parties came or four in a chaise.; there was a large collection of people down the Old R oa d; an d passed on the meeting. Wit round them ; the gig s t o p pe d oppos i te the church, when tress accompanied them ; they marched along in rows ; he 'did Mr. Hunt got on his fetes and began to speak; lie began by not perceive they had any Officers. He went to Shoe-hill making allusions to the Manchester Magistrates, he coin- with this party, and then turned back tb meet Hunt, who was pared them. to nine tailors en a shop-board ; witness accompanied by a great crowd. He, with dolitis•in, were thought his reason for saying so was, because the meet- standing up in"an open tel . ) chaiseatogether with Knight, and ing was forbidden ; b e vneouraged the people to be firm, a man they called Crank. The carriage was in the middle of and no doubt they would prosper; 'the meeting to which the crowd; they did not march in reeks, except a few lads he alluded was the meeting of that day; witeess did not before. They halted Miens they came to Johnson's shop,_ know it was forbidden.--e(Here the placard forbidding the and shouted. They next halted at the Exchange, and shout meeting was strewn, and witness said he saw many such post- rd also. The crowd kept increasing as they went ; 011 pees_ ed on the walls.),--There was a great noise among the people; ing Murray's. 110119 e they hissed as loud as they could. When previous to the last placard witness saw another of the same they came to the .Exchatige some hissed and some shouted.-- tendency; Hunt told the people to meet again on the WO), Witness did not go to th e p ar ty w ith that Meeting, he went which was receiv e d w ith l on d c h eers, and cries of "We will, a shorter way but could not get near the hustings. There we will ;" Hunt then waved his hat, and laughed quite hearti- was a in the cued: who. can ied a flag. ly; Juhnson sat by Hunt's side ; th e y contiee e d from half an Cross-examined by Hunt—Witness said be was a shoe hour to three quarters before they moved off, amid then drove maker, residing at No. 30-, Miller's-street. He hived_ there off to Mr. Johnson's house. On the following Monday he sew nine years; he worked for himself and others; be was post many thousands moving- about. H e saw Mr. Johnson come tire he heard him call on the people to shout ; he went to with his retinue ; Mr. - Hunt was pre sen t with Johnson in a White Moss fur mere Curiosity; the person's mune who at carriage; the people were after th e m five or six abreast ; cumpanied him was William; he did not know his oilier they stepped like soldiers; he •could not say how many name, nor his residence ; they conversed after on the stib there weae,' but half an hour elap se d before they all pass- ject; the other person works-in Miller's-lone; be told this ed ; they came either from, the Oldham or Rochdale road ; st o ry many a time, and Mr. Milne took it down, but never, this he concluded from seeing them conie down the lane ; asked him to produce the young man who accompanied him ; he beard a bugle, and they halted more than once hist Tuesday was the first time he comaumicated this to Me. while witness stood looking en ; he heard a - shout irons a 'Milne; he was not asked whether any ether witness could man, and believed it was the word " halt ;" there was a be produced - toe' confirm this testimony. There were black flag with " Lib er ty or D e ath,. or s ome thi ng simn el ; mane spectators besides himself, who were ordered to fall " No Corn Laws" Was on another banner.; there were Sc- in with time rest into a rank a they said all suit fall in, veral other flags with Caps of Liberty at th e top; one was for they .sound have no lookers on ; witness was looking on sentatio Hunt a witness iberty l ;" he them reco ltil l lected nothing ab ou t repre - about. two hours and a half ; he never said bow many were n ;folowed they got to Mr. Murray's drilling when be got there; : they were not there in .reek; house, who was a constable at the time ; h e w as i n his room they were sitting ab o rt, and got into rank when daylight ap very ill ; when the mob got opposite his dour, they hissed at pear'ed; he could not speak as to their number; at first then e his family, who were at the windows, and cried out, " that were about as many lookers on as fell in; the farmer did not they wanted some White Moss humbugs;" the earriage.at fall in till they formed the long line; there are houses round this time had gone oh, and wa s no ger la s sight ; the. White Moss, the inhabitants of which could not seeing thi s was not collet ; it was very tuniultuons, and for himself, those assembled; they were altogether more than 400; wit witness was alarmed; he bad lived in the town 40 years, and Hess went home about seven o'clock, and told .what he saw never saw any thing so tumultuous before; neither public to different people ; he. could nut recollect all the different private business went on in the usual way; warless is a ma words of connuan4; he heard the words " Meech,' •i Coati- lermarzli," and many others, but did not recollect exact!y what was dUne at the word " Gutintermarch;" they hid no arms nor sticks; he saw none of those in the carriage hiss when it passed Murray's house ; he went with them as far as the Exchange; saw some Hags, was not alarmed, hut thought the business at White Moss would lead to mischief in time ; witness saw no arms or bludgeons wit li'the Rochdale or Stockport parties, nor did he see any disposition to do harm ; he saw the Cavalry coming into St. Peter's Field, and then f•egati to be alarmed for the first time; when he Came.to the field it was full, and ail standing peaceably; he saw Cavalry come into the field in a kiAil of trot, and got away, as . he Iyas feafful of danger; it was 'very well known iu the town that drilling was going on at the White Moss. Robert Vild, one of the defendants, examined the witness, and put some questions of little importance, as did Johnson, another of the defendants. Examined by Mr. ScAnLErr—Witnes4 said .-there was no public road nearer than a mile or a mile and a half to the Moss, neither was there a village nearer than one mile. Samuel Murton was again cAlled in, and the placard calling the meeting of the.9th.limided to him, but he did not recol lect to have seen it, or any such posted up. James Murray said he lived at. Manchester; he knew Mr. Shawcroft was with him on the I 4th of August ; he left Man chester on the Iht h. ItYmer,mid ltynier's son accompauied him to White Moss; they left Minichester at twelve, and reached White Moss about two. Tuey heard people shooting, and turned out of the way to avoid them , some were before, and some behind them. They went tot place-where the men were drilling.; their number might he six or eight hundred; they Were drilling on a square piece of land ; t he thickest part was on his right, and were in detached parties, and a drill seijrant at the head or cod of every syllad. The man at the head gave the orders; he heard the surds " march,--wheel—Lialt." fr, quent • ly. They wheeled and halted its they were ordered. He heard no words of command ;;item but those, - together with eyes ri ht, " forward,'' and I tihrrs. He stopped but a tew minutes: Shawcruft went .with him: A drill srtivaut, named Cattetill, said to him, "'fall iit;" they continued coming up fast. When asked to fall. in, witness said he thocglit he should soon; they looked at him stedlasily, and began to cry, " Spy" The voice Callle fruit the nearest quarter, and passed along' the line. They then shouted, " constables," and the answer l/aum them, murder them 1" Eighty or ninety men pursued them, and knocked Shawcroft in ti l e, ditch: Hunt submitted, that this was evidence which could not he received. The objection 'was overruled by the Judge, who said, at the same time, that be had his doubts about it, and should put the objection on his.notes. ' Murray being again tailed in, said, that from twenty to thirty of the men foll Owed, /and pvertook him, and beat him violently with sticks. . iniplored them tiYgive over, and said it looked m o re like minder that Parliamentary They asked hint how slon . :; would tie' th , itteni it hr, ogla pri sonersao Manchester ? Want ss said they would be treated as a-prisoners.. and gentlemen, het not rout der. ahem.- One said," Shall we kill bias tnit.affrolit,• amid pit. him into tire pit, or let him go ?" Another said, " think he has hail enough ; if he has any Inure he will die."... 4. hey then coo sulte,m fur a tiore, told him go down on his knees, and asked if liewasn•willhig- tie.iivear.• never .ttr be a King's man again ; he said yes, for he thought his life- depended on it. They then formed a ring -round him; bewent on his kneesand repeated the oath. Witasess got up end went to Middleton, not being aole to preiceed further; was convey• ..e.,e in a elistiSe. On mire 16th, the .day attrr, o d some noise in the streets anti the sound of bugles. The crowd stopped oppne.ite the house, and those in the centre stem! In order six abs cast ; the bugle soboded again, stud he heard the word march pronounced. Those that were matching is a breast pointed at his house, and some hissed. 'Dore were Sultan 5 or 6UUU marchifig - inline; 'and a great crowd& besides of men, women, and children.; lie saw no women marehiog in line ;. this was alne s it eleven. At one, another party came by, its the centre of which was.an open cm - nage - 1 they Moved very slowly; but he did unit think they . halted ; the crowd hissed, And printed at his wind.)WS: esr; was sure they !oohs dup at his house. This hotly coasisted nit between 3 and 4t000,' a d amongst them a great number of children. from Smedley Cottage to St. Peter's area the .neatest way was I:ut by Isis house ; it was a round. of 5 or (too yards. Cross-examined by Hinit—Witness was not employed by the Police; he is a strict const a bl e , an d i s sworn i n b y th e Magistrates yearly. Ile went to White Mbss in consequence of the alarmed state of the counts.), of his family, and him self; went of his own accord ; . bllt told loopy that he would go to see the drilling; -he might have told Mr. N t tdin so. He never received any money for his services, but got 151. to pay his doctor's bill, put of the subscription raised fur those who were wounded its Peter's field. Many of the iahabitants of Manchester knew of the drilling; he coOld not speak as to the number of the Spectators at Whntte Moss whet' the drilling was going on ; there were net lc° ',misers on when lie was there ; lie did not hear the words " make - ready, present, tire." Some had sticks, and some had not. Joshua Pollet was the first to whom he mentioned this. He was exit's:slued before.the. Magistrates, but '.did out think he recollected all then. . IHerc a Lady fainted in Court, by which some confusion was occasioned for a short time.] The examination' proceeded—Witness was so seriously ill that he slid nut recollect every thing so minutely when exa mined on Sunday. He made the deposition in his own room before me. Norris hurl a:sother (ientletnan e whom he• be lieved to be Trafford Trafford. --He stated to them all he re . - collected, un his first exonlinatnon,' he forgot tine, words - " treat*, the nation as an enemy," and had them pu n t ; he dries not recollect whether he .sw.:re to these words or not; he requested to have them added to his deposition, and he believed, but was not certain, that they were taken duswir by Trafford rrafnird ; be cvuld nut lanai ly say what day; _witness could not say that he was a religious min; he went to church and chapel; he , atcollected no par ticular conversation with a man named Mayor, or Morton, or saying that he used any 'violent expressions in their presence about the bland of the. Ile,foenters; he never said be .would rather be rowed in a boat to his own house its the blood ef the Iteformers than walk the pavement ; fist said Ire would s ooner fight op to his knees in Hoed, than submit to them ; if he - said any thing like it, it was at the Cock, in Coekrote; many people_were hint there when he got its, but he recollected saying nothing about the pavement; did'hot well re-- collect what, he said, but le said a good deal ; %amid not swear that he did not make use of those very words. Be knew a persons named Chapman went with him in a coach to Liver pool. Did lint then say that if he had 'the Command of the • troops on the Ifith he wouid:have put.eventy bloody rascal of theist to death. .Thete were six passengers present by virtue of his oath ; he did not to his knowledge make use of such language. He would 1,91 swear hostility; he did not. He was sober when going in the coach. to Liverpool. It was early ins January. •Mr. Chapman (lid .not call' hint to art ac-• connt about it. Ile got intti a passion, because witness, its time connse of conversation, said Ire would not, neither would he, believe RefOrmers on their oath. Witness knew the Spread Eagle in Hangiug Ditch. He recollected going into a private room with nine others, -where he (Mr. Hum.) was i He did unit recollect that a person named button or Newton were present. This was about twelve months hack. Witness did not recollect a door bring broken open. Examined by Johnsuo—Witness said he knew Robert Mayor, but trot much abosit ; he never said that he found nests of money after his wife, and went to Spend it in Liverpool. Examined . . by Mr. BultocK—He never was at the Spread Eagle but once ; there was a me e ting h e ld th a t d ay i n S t. Peter's-area ; there was a g:eat deal of speaking ; Hunt was the leading character ; he heard him speak; he was only about hee minutes on the White Moss un the night he went, to see the drilling ; witness never , offered himself for a spe—', • cial constable ; he was one off and on for twenty years, but derived no eniolument ft .ln it ; lie sea wed on the whole as a. : special eptistable about seven years. John Shaweross said, he is a clerk to the Police Office, Man chester: be recollected .the publication of bills, and these being affixed to the walls about the i.t3d of .Itily; the day o f • its being posted. The hilt produced was taken oil the walls wet.—El'he 10 was produced, and in it a meeting was ap— pointed for the 9th of ugust.3—WitnAs went to the White Mosi with ;Nlurray; they, strived beture day-light; they mi;lit be there about ten - miuntr, before anv thipg happen.; ed ; a perso❑ called out, '' Follow theta," and — another, •. " Come hack ;” there. were then at least 500 assembled; they I Were followed by a party, one bf whom knocked witness down, and more called out, "• Murder Into, kill him;" a person then gave him a violent hick lit the side, which depi ived him of his senses fur afew.. minutes ; he then got. into the road Out of - the ditch, and saw them round Murray; he took a contrary direction, and got off. • . • (rosy-examitied by Hunt—Witness said he was employed by the Police ; sortie of the beadles-Anew of his going to Wliite-Moss,; he 'did- not know all,the defendants; went with 'Murray' to the prison of Lanti:.ister, but did not know what his object was ;he saw none of the Defaidants Ilia drilling at the Miss, which is a mile and a quarter over ; they left a little after three; some of them were at their ex ercise, and there were some bystanders, perhaps 20; he would swear there were not tub; he could hear no word of command but " right left, right left ;" lie was with Murray,' who was a little in advance, and might trace heard something witness did.not. hear; he concluded they were teaching the awkward squad to this was broad day-light; be