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it sha:l be )3e station )t whether !ing, sub: tilajestY ithout fi/Le r (ickrnlt_s )rocee, , HZ; r o • Ipt y fi x (lot the fed in shall tqke )ur Lor (l `. her non to reel deeplt l ie class at note duil l e who art.' !olive 6 0 ' :e of their occasioor t. It h as ty with all is PerSOnv there or° ed ye B r s ' 10° speared 01 ell knO Wil of th e n r e : e countrY rare frog' :lual wbtl r conduc t 'fluid hov e PH HP4 , 0 1 h must al: the reso l la we ore o Al.erto" of guilt► t the BC' ; taut °"°' rds. I 3" tident Id tl )(mental)? end ft liter3l El i zabetl4 and Pretcrl' dissoirc thy' line Ague yen Consor t J . in her scr I mi, othe r 0, who 1133 othc r• nice 01 her it ut) tirecoo' her RoP/ erwise 1331° Trance(' 6* irrgan►i, Id, and fr confidely ion, Nut 66 " larks of f 4 ' . K n i g 1)113 004 a prutendel had tal' en lawful tor 3t the 63 4 m i, was 17 1 rank 04 )lly regal berself to' Bartol' 4 nd prica t " loyal High' y and fre e adolteloo erwisc 1.33‘. • if od of tin which con and d iab. : ly and 0 1 ' 1 isa of the par le JOY ' /W f Lu worthY ° this Real"l' the Cro:1.0:. : s m ost i Tool' °r % eby int r enac ted ") the adri° and CO: by the aU line Atu''' ) t t : sha ll b of a u tli° )perta 4oit it ht' r far pis ex 1 - ercisfig tha t :er , Mine AO' a cefortb f all inlclit". of e E,lr e e s o t 0 1, Gene', lie odo , in A on6rllll 1 15 „to 11.1Tr o f 30 00 041 -.owevel 1) , i" oil ^ e r 016' ?tquireil to be stated. Ile therefore wished to Ic "vr, whether the Noble gad in , ended to adopt °by other mode of proceeding stibsetviently, kiilt 11 'kW to supply th at e l t t eet i Il e wished also ' 0 ask, whether arty coot se was in contemnla• •• , 11 .or supplying her Majesty with th e names "f 'he witnesses about to be produced against bie r The Earl of Li rastenot, said, that the second reading of the 11!I uhf he the limpet time to inter into the Oizetission. He had no ditliCally k "wevet in stating, that the specification in the PrtlArtible was as particular as any oilier to which °icy Could refer, and was in all respects sufficient ' o h guid e her Majesty's d e f ence . W o With regard t eneithes ot th e w i tnesses , i t was unprecedented ` l t r tt.e hi story of Parli aluentat y p rocee di ngs to %Mills!' them, while a Bill of pains and penalties V " dependi ng. It was unus ua l all proceedings. lllte,pt trial s for H i,41) Treason; but as her Ma-, j c e " "(I to the tomost indulgence, soffi ."' tune would be allowed her to select her evi kence, and this w ou ld d o away the only plausible grQ and that existed for demanding a list of the ittsses. Lltt ...ACR E moved, that her Majesty's Coun sb"old now be called to the Bar, in order to 11""1")io!S Which were necessary to her defence. "'" did Otis upo n information which be had re teieed most recently.. . 1 Le Earl of LIVIMPOOL suggested that the 1\: "le tc)rii Lod t»iglit obtai n his object without re whole e tc, u a (orse which was contrary to the 1, „ of their proceedi ng s, an d p rom i se d ,1'1„;7; it 1 r ft Peliiiols was presented to-morrow, The be i"g iii progr ess , b e wou ld not t h en o bj ect to Lo • I n rt evio i n h assented, and did not press the t a t a'l cz '-irtav thotight, that whatever course was st,:n tinder the present proceeding, it must he r"ied ith • tr (iv - mange. The com mencement great ts . a ev d ence wh . of a prosecution, grounded t i • time a f terlFb could not be met for a considerab l e stun, v t he evidence bad produced its Mires `f;r as ntifa vonrable to the ends of justice. It C04,,III,I;11e a'c're c on d uc i ve to t h at end if the svh(ile miry to r te po stponed until there was an oppnrtn -Iceeeltug w i t h t h e acc.ation and de ptirt T urfi u ogether. In all Divotce Bills the accused i f Y Ildtl the advanta,,e of the knowledge to he : l i ; i ve il frorn previ ous proceedings, in whi c h e v er y • g "'as specified distinctly, so that she was Clf all than could be ur ge d aga i nst h er . Th e le liar! had a ll u d e d to t h e management of the • kse 411"4' the B ar ; b ut be wished to know by w h at ' 1 . ) -lut ilY, or a t w h ose di rect i on, any person ctdel e " ,, at th at Bar to con d uct t h e prosecution . t , i, - . e.•cst r l of LiVeIIPOOL said, that the A t t orne y ; r at might b e c all e d u p on b y t h e author i ty of ‘r) . ` t ititts e either to appear hisnselt, or to provide me Cup ion t o con d uct i t . ' l , ll Gain( observed , that, from the Noble It self "a s'atement, it would appear as if th e Howie d assumed the cliaracttr of a prosecutor in ▪ Ts: Which it was about to try. 4- itt a c I:4 PI of LivaaPoot, stated, that at House ally appointed Co un s e l l o ot h er cases, itisri ce ' et i e could be no doubt that they wo u ld see L ar f t c. ) .i ‘ "It bet ween the parties. I .: lla4 appo• C"c , sll, l, he vas aware that the House ittitatice C ounsel its other eases, its that for (11 pro see " ; t ut Hels) ley Case, but here was a case r : Prec eticti ul " ) : 1 , for which tie had not heard any 4-64 1 stu p t e . ct .'ne was as tar as the Noble Lord Its tie hurl 111 g the justice of the House ; bur, ttaey s aid upon former occasions , it was not ,r in cessa ry that they should be just, but that The it Plpear above suspicion. " i t . iss ue trili .LtvaitPoor. mainta ined , that if cosd• 11 be s joined it was impossible that they 'le ti lt .": a toss to try the case. It could not hni s i teti i " of any one that guilt should go no , L atl G.Or that justice should not be done. .0 a. Otect -i v rep eate d his o bj ection, and wished sit "atio ri r. , t he [lous e against being plac)(1 in a of it ntust exercise conjointly the . ' th ti o. t üblic Prosecutor, L egis l a t or , an d r , (43 00 by it itCrI,ACELLOR defended! the . pr . oce . ed. t• h e " 11 :" ot I atria and Penalties originating :cer et col±se.. a ndiustified the interposition of a t 'e of theTegutt_tee. The Attorney General which ii _ t w I .sistants of that House, in tl e e r i .:l P i t rw, l j c at e_ sito c d ti • Ln ii . l 'able to be called on to conduct Ran remarked, that the Attorney Ge the,etor a Alenther of another House, and might seeuSit e•be"ierted to a the Manager of a Pros :: ) _" 1 111, ' ::_ t _ li o e [ loose Of s Lords, upon witicli he protioisoce hereafter in the House v uhld : 5 •he expected t h at the Noble Lord I'rof es • '"e slated so Ke en si nnz me reasons, after so many i E ti en to ti of the liiborioos considerisiton he ha d "bitct, but lie bad not slated diss to ti o Is) aet • •Ial precedent he wished the House Ire-11dir.ectiu.i_loped that this would be (lone before Th e , " was given to the Attorney General. o tdtr of r XIVBRPOOL said, that though the It°llld was, b e to the Attorney-General, he "Mu b e bil ged but - send to appear p ersonally, " t eir , corn other person, as had occurred J eas e . he House then adjourutd. liti tlSE OF COMMONS. 111,. 0 1 - .401 of B ac air. I/ and Mr. 15t......_ TiVa, LUMB ER , ~ ~o ts Vert""4eLL, defaulters On the Election " dii _', ti, . ° Niered to oil payment of "r fee be discharged, 1. 1. s. tit port of the Co nsumption of Smoke by Stearn En. t , ► tv. , , kiutellig thought up. On moving that ki p. hi the ItePert be 4 ' , vt 4 •4. TAYLOR • • r of his intention, in the M- essiu„ • k a ‘e " 1 ' 1 " . The Report 4s u rti. , to 1111 roduce a hill on the subject.— 'Ltd to be ',tinted. Si r NORFOLK GAOL. 4ori MACINTOSH presented a Petition from the Sheriffs ,i'tet ,‘"•coniplaini it I the D i t regulations will , re -4.4 •" the t • n "" o •'° . rese 1 A --A in Norfolk Geol. e 400 leatinera of prisoners commie.. :huil'l. 14 td 1•44.46 k and Learned Gentleman stated several eases l"'Ilt where prisoners were left in Gaul, t i l4 lts ,ii.ts:rue for Wile and eight wraiths, charged selt.h.,a. - some fur iris 1r41.0, ,7"! . aild without haring the opportuni”, of . n d tn i i , g , 41i,,it''uittilial, there Ilting but an annual Autaea litl 1, 4 41 r. ii .yp l ' cl.Untry. th. , ' 930 RD said , that the Norfolk Gaol was Hitt fit 'Old ,it• "abitat ion of liu:nan beings. The cells Wete narrow 11.ilicit 14,:atl,'..avind were three feet below the ground. At . t . lie yr it r til it! , it 4 d , thei cd,, tilite.,turitst, nii,,tll:serue.a:.,e,urte turiluirep.etris,oaillisezititr.,, „'4111:4:c• Those p ersons we! ein the day t 1 we divided '„' convicted tieloti4 only by an open roiling. The tit uf tile Gaol was open to entry ol,jvctiw.l.-••- ! There was no classification of the prisone - rs—no species of employment—no inspection—no moral instruction. sir 6. COCKBURN recommended that the Norfolk Ses sions he held fur the trial of those prisoners who were iiuw detained fur trial at the General Assizes. He said a short Bill could be hiought in to remove the prisoners to Thetford, where the Assizes is held. The Magistrates of Hull removed the prisoners to the City of York. He saw nu reason why th e sam e mi g ht no t b e done in the present case. Si; J. M.ACINTOSII objected to both suggestions. The fiat Would go to establish a sort of jurisdiction not favour able to the prisoners. Witolo reilrect to the removal of the. prisoners, it would be expensive to the country, and an hard ship on them. The Petition teas ordered to be printed. OSMAN'S POEMS. _ Sir J. MACINTOSH said, by had to present to the Howe 'a Petition, complaiiiing of the conduct of a Literary Body— be meant the Highland Sotictv in London. The Petition was from a Mr. Hugh Campbell, a Student at Law. Mr. Camp. 1411, it seemed, impelled by a laudable zeal to promote the :I:lCie‘st literature of his count'''. had, at sfery great expellee and personal inconvenience, wade different jimmies both to the Hebridc; and to the Province al Ulster, in Ireland, in order to ascertain the topography of the Scenes of the Poems of Oisian—particularly the epic poem of Fingal. Air. Camp bell complained that the Highland Society refused him com pensation for the trouble and expence hr had gone to. The Hon. Gentleman said, that he feared, however, that the Howe weir nut sorliciently versed in Celtic Literature, to decide exactly on the claim. He still felt it his duty to lay the Petition before them.—The Petition was ordered to lie on the 'l' able. COPYRIGHT.--THE MANUMISSION OF SLAVES. Sir J. MACINTOSH said, he felt it his;lutyto state, that it was his intention, either at an early period of the next Ses sion, or (it cisClMlStillleti admitted) at a suliseqoent period of the present, to brim forward two measures of importance before Parliament. The first would he a Bill to amesid the law relating to the Copyright of Printed Hooks. The next n•onld he an Address to his Majesty, relating to the Manu mission of Slaves in alt rots or the King's dominions where the unfortunate system of slavery exists. WATER WORKS. Mr. FREEMAN presented a Petition from St. George's in the West, praying for au inquiry into the past rind present state oft he Water-works, akd praying that some Parliamen tary measure might be founded thereupon. A similar Petition was presented by Mr. WILMOT from Mary-le-bone. A similar Petition was presented by Mr. HODHOUSE frOm the Parish of St. James, Westminster. Mr. DENT presented a similar Petition front St. Pancras, The Petitions were ordered to be rioted. GRANTHAM ELECTION'. Mr. WODF:IIOCSE brought up x ltepoi t from the Com mittee on the Grantham Election, stating, that Sir Wm. Manners, Win. Athol, !high Manners, and Richard Artn strong Jervois, bad been summoned as witnesses before the Committee, and did slot :tttend. Alter some CMlrrl satin,' between Mr. Wndehouse, Mr. Wynn, Sir R. Heron, Mr. Tennyson, ►end Serjeant Onslow, as to whether the ahuvr-named Gentlemen should be con►- ntitted, it was at length ordered that the short-hand writer who tos.k doisrn the evidence before the Committee, and the officers who went to serve the w►tnesses with the summonses to attend the Committee, should attend this day at the liar to be examined. LANCASTER GAOL. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a Petition from Nathan Broadhurst, a prisoner confined in Lancaster Gaul, complain ing of severe treatment. The Petitioner stated, that he had been sent to that Gaol, baring been convicied of a misde meanour—that be was deprived in the first instance o f the usual allowance to prisoners, and ►vas afterwards Leo to !laid labour for ten hours each day. After a short conversation between Mr. W. Booth, Mr. Bennet, and Alderman Wood, the Petition was ordered to be printed. Mr. HOBHOOSE presented a Petition from Thomas Jones, another prisoner in the sante Gaul, complaining that the Pe titioner had been confined below the ground—that the Gaoler had committed personal violence un him, that the aid of a surgeon bad been refused hi►u, and that his earnings had been partially stopped from blip by order of the Magistrates. The Hon. Member said, that in presenting the Petition, he felt it right to state he had a communication with the Gaoler, who stated that the charges, if nut entirely untrue, v%ere greatly exaggerated.—The Petition was ordered to he printed. Mr. KENNEDY presented a Petition front lb: Proprietors of Land in the County of Argyle, complaining of the present mode of keying malt duties in Scotland ; and a similar Peti tion from the Borough of C ampbell Town. The Petitions wore ordered to be printed. CITY OF LONDON MILITIA REGULATION BILL. Sir WILLIAM CURTIS brought iu a Bill for ►he better regulation of the City of London Militia, which was read a first time, and ordered to l►e read a second time to morrow. STANDING ORDER RESPECTING TRADE. Mr. Scijeant ONSLOW, after stating that he should post pone the two other motions of which he had givon notice, said that he had to propose to the house the adoption of a Rego. !Minn as a Standing Order of the House, to this effect, that nu Bill, making any regulations respecting the forces, or making of any particular articles of manufacture, or altering the apprenticeship laws of an! particular trade, ur directing marks to be affixed to any commodities, should be read a first time, without being first subinitted to a Select Committee.-- The expediency of adopting this Resolution had been exa mined by a Committee who had reported in its favour, and lie believed much of the objection Which had been made to it was now removed. lie cuncluied by moving his Resolution. Mr. ROBINSON said, that as the Resolution was confined to the internal regulations of trade, he saw no particular üb• iertion to it. The SPEAKER suggested that the Resolution would he more conformable to other Standing Orders of the House, if it were made necessary that the Committee should report before any Bill was brought in, rather than before it. was lead & first time. Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW acceded to the suggestion of the Chair, and after a fcw observations from Mr. Ricardo, Mr. Marry**, Mr. Wynn, and Mr. Western, the Resolution was twice read, and adopted as a Standing Order. SCOTS MALT DUTY. Lord A. HAMILTOA baring tiserst:s make his motion for a Reeolution respecting the Tax on Malt in Scotland, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he should inform the Noble Lord what he inteoded to do, that the Noble Lord might know how far his motion Will rendered unnecessary. He should propose a temporary allowance of 6d. per bushel on Malt made (tutu big or bear, under certain regulations. Lord A. HAMILTON said, this concession was so inferior to what the people in Scotland expected and considered as due to theta, that he should persist in Isis motion, of which he would willingly have averted the necessity. The grounds ou which he objected to the tax lately imposed on Scots M a lt were:three. I. That it had been the practice for more than a century to impose on Scots Malt only half the duty that was imposed on Malt in England ; SI. that is less tax had been generally imposed on bear or big than on barley malt ; and 3. that the tax was passed at au improper time and in All un fair manner—in the last week of the last Session, when scarcely any Scots Members were present, or knew of the Bill. The effect of tke increased duty had beet' such iu Scotland, that the distilleries could nu looger work except at a loss. The tact was, very few of the great distilleries had worked during the last 12 months, and those only were satisfied with the duty as it at present stood who found means of defrauding the revenue. It seemed probable, indeed, that this increase of duty on Scots Malt had originated in s use mistahe, for a letter in October from the Treasury, in answer to an applicas tiros from Scotland, the 23d of August last, stated tba the increase of duty on Scuts Malt was Is. td. per bushel, where as it turned out to he Is. O3d. Petitions had poured its against this Tax from every part of Scut laud. Upon the cultivators of inferior soils, where the inferior descriptions of Harl e y were grown, it was most oppressive. The small stills, which had heels encouraged by Government for the counteraction of illicit distillation, were now obliged to cease working, and to give way to unlawful eutupetition. The Noble Lord having urged his arguments against the tax, under the several heads we have mentioued, said, he should propose certain Resolu tions. The Resolutions stated, that in the Malt Duty Acts of 1725, 1760, 1779, 1780, and 1785, the principle had been recoguiaed, that the rate of duty on Malt in Scotland should be one half of the rate of duty on Malt its England; that by those and various other Acts, smaller duties had been im posed on Beer or Big, than on Barley Malt ; that by the Act eth d " inished y out Malt h a d b een inc , eased tt; of t ll c t t iti Session, t h e mi Scotland , per cent. in England. The Resolution with which he intended to cooclude the se ries was to this effect—that the departure from t he principle previously acted upon in the imposition of the duties no Malt had been injurious to the agricultur e sod general inte rests of Scotland. The Noble Lord moved hie first Itesoln (ion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the prac tice with respect to the of the duty on malt bad not been entirely uniform ; ie. in 171 a, SIX years aft,, fl at ; Union, Gd. per bushel duty was imposed on Scots and English malt equally, though IL years after it was reduced in the caret of Scotland—(flear!)---There was obviously great incon venience in the existence Of unequal taxation in different parts of the island. It VMS to be observed that in lEOi, a tax of Is. 04al. per bushel, and in the next year 9s. .more per bushel had been imposed on malt in Scotland as well as England ; a tax nut much less than that which ex isted at peseta. Though on the whole the English might be somewhat superior to the Scots barley, yet much of the barley of Scotland was quite equal to that of England ; and in many of the counties,of England, especially the Northern Counties, th e E ng li s h barley was inferior to the average of Scotland. lie allowed that in the case of beer or big thet c was a claim for x reduction of the duty, and be proposed to grant a temporary allowance of six pence per bushel.— If the daty in Scotland were less than that in England, it svoit!d be necessary to prohibit the intercourse in grain between the two countries. because two hundred and fifty thousand quarters of barley had been imported into Leith front England, and would probably he sent back in the shape of malt or strong ales. He should, therefore, persevere in the principle which Parliament had adopted, and would move the previous question. Mr. FERGUSON said, he cnuld not agree that there should he no deviation front the old proportion of the ditties in the two countries, thtittgh he should have approved that the duty should be somewhat lower in Scotland than in England. Lord A. HAMILTON said, he had never mentioned that the old proportion should be rigidly adhered to—(Hear Sir .1. MARJORIBANKS said, the Members for Scotland had been placed in a most difficult situation, when after having left P a rli amen t w ith out any k now l e d ge of such a tax being imposed, they had had to meet their constituents, who up braided them with their burthen. Ireland had a Secretary to protect its interests, but poor Scotland was left without any defender in the House. The tax was one of the severest ever imposed on a country. Mr. KENNEDY said, when it was known that a Bill had passed respecting the Malt Tax on the ‘:=d July of the last Ses sions, no one imagined that the subject would be again touched in the Session ; yet on the 12th of the same moot, another Rill was passed, not to exploit], but entirely to over turn it. He supported the Resolution. After some observations from Mr. Marjoribanks, Mr. Wil mot, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Boswell, Mr. W. Smith, and Mr. Douglas, Lord A HAMILTON replied. Sir G. CLERK supported the motion. The first two Resolutions were negatived without adivision. Th e House divid. d upon the third Resolution For the previous qaettion Against it 53 Majority against the Resolution.. —lO ANTH A M ELECTION. On the motion of Mr. WYNN, the Short-hand Writer who took t•he minutes of evidence before the Grantham Election Committee, was called to the bar; where he read that part of the evidence is hich related to serving the Speaker's war rant on Sir W. Manners, mid the three other individuals be fore named. It appeared that the person employed to serve the warrant had made several ineffectual attempts to see Sir \V. Manners, and that eventually he threw the warrants over the gate of the court yard. Atter the Short-hand Writer had withdrawn, Sir R. IfERON moved, that Sir W. Manners, Bart. be taken into the custody of the Serjeant at Armsattending that !loose. Mr. TENNYSON, un the ground that the circumstances stated in the Report did not warrant so severe a proceeding, moved as an amendment, that Sir W. Manners be ordered to attend that House en Aloud:Ay next. Dr. PHILLIMORE• warmly defended the Committee. It was evident that the persons in question had determined to evade the Order of the House. Mr. 'WYNN contended, that if the House did not resent this attempt to resist their authority, it was at au end. Mr. F. P.A LMEIt supported the motion. The amendment was then negatived without a division, and the original motion carried. Sir lt. HERON proceeded to more, that R. Armstrong Jet els shoidd he committed to the custody of the Scrjeaut at Arms. Lord NUGENT wished it to be considered, that, as a ser vant, there might be some defence for the conduct of this Dr. PIJILLINIORE maintained the necessity for support ing the authority of the House. Sir J. NIAUINTOSH considered the present as a most seri ous instance of contempt of the authurity of the House of Commons ; and he considered it necessary, in order to teach all persons in future that such conduct could not be pursued with impunity, Hutto allow it to pass unnoticed. The motion was then agreed to. Sir R. HERON then moved, that Nlr. Hugh Manners be taken into the custody of the Serjeant at Arms. Mr. S. BOURNE considered it as doubtful whether or not the summons had been properly served on this individual. After a short conversation, in which Sir R. Heron, Mr. Wynn, Mr. Goulburn and Mr. S. Bourne participated, Sir It. Heron agreed to withdraw the motion; and Mr. Manners was ordered to attend that House on Monday. Sir R. HERON lastly moved, that William Atter be taken in the custody' of the Serjeant at Arms. Mr. TENNYSON, on the ground that it did not appear certain that Alter was aware that he was disobeying the orders of the Home, moved, as an amendment, that he be or dered to attend on Monday. A discussion ensued, in which Mr. Wynn, Sir J. Newport, Mr. S. ILurne, Mr. Serjeant Onslow, Dr. Lushington, Mr. It. Smith, Sir J. Macintosh, and Sir R. Heron participated. Eventually the Gallery was cleared, but on cur return we were given tw understand that there had been nu division, and that the original motion was agreed to. TITHES IN IRELAND,. Sir H. PARNELL, rose to make his promised Motion rely. tire to Tithes in Ireland. It was aelinowiedged un all hand's that the Bill which had been brougkt in three years ago to enable ecclesiastical persons in Ireland to make leases of tithes was a very advantageous measure, and he wished it to be revived. 'The Honourable Baronet, after entering into a detail of the inconveniences arising from the existing sys tem in Ireland, said his intention was, thnt the Bill which he intended to introduce shOuld be read a first time and printed, in order to give Members an opportunity of discussii.-g the subject next. Session. He then moved for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the existing mode of letting leaves and of col lecting tithes in Ireland. Sir JOHN NEWPORT seconded the motion. Lord CASTLEItEAGH did nut object to the Bill being printed, but be wished it to be understood as nut affecting a commutation of tithes. Mr. M. FITZGERALD and Mr. LOCKHART .upporte.l the motion. Mr. C. GRANT supported the Bill, reserving to himself to suggest such alterations as he night think exp.:dicta. Mr. NEWMAN spoke ni favour of the Bill. Sir H. PARR ELT. shortly *culled. After Which leave was granted to bring in the Bill. TOBAGO. Lord NUGENT rose to move fin. an humble Address to his Majesty, for Copies of Correspondence between the Secretary of State for the Colonial Department, and the Governor and Chief Justice of the island of Tobago, relating to certain charges preferred by the late Attorney-General of that Island. Th e Noble Lord said, if the correspondence were produced, he would submit a motion to the House respecting the juris prudence of that island. He regretted to say, that charges of cruelty and oppression had been made, though he did not charge the Governor of the Island with any abuse of power. Whatever 01 abuse or of oppression might hare occurred, proceeded from causes over which he had no controvil. After a few observations from Mr. GOULBURN, the mo• lion was agreed to. COMMITTEE OF SVIPPLY.—THE LATE KING'S SERVANTS, &c. CHANCELLORttheresoiveditsel intoO f the aco E n x ): : c u t: C :l v i ct l e u t o E l' a e r , s m i t t l o p t etpi:Eynl.o(u) of the Lord CASTLERRAGH Said, he would shortly state the grounds of the motion lie now intended to bring forward. On the death of the Qt-teen thete was effected a general reduction of 180;0001. sAving a provision of 18,0001. for her Majesty's Serv.anti. On the dent:se of his late Majesty, a saving arose of 160,0001. Against this, however, as be had stated Ott a former occasion, there was a set-off of 24,0001. provision for :he household servants. — The provision made in former cases for the ser vants of former Queens was much greater than in the instance of her 14te Majesty. The reason of that was, that no provision whatever was intended to be made fur the State Officers of her Majesty. The menial servants were alone intended to be provided' for. Government thought it their duty. to folio tY ;I)is 121 . ncipl; 4ltdcr Ott: present cirCuln: skin Les of the Country.—(dear, hear respect to his Majesty's servants, these were of far different descriptions, which he intended to propose; the first for a sum of 90001. odd hun dred pounds provision for the servants who were in the immediate employment of the late King at the time of his decease ; 40001. odd hundred pounds for those servants who had been in his Majesty's family et the breaking up of the Wind sor establishment about a year ago, and who had been then thrown upon his Majesty's Privy Purse, and ten thousand pounds for a class of claimants, who had received provision out of his Majesty's Privy Purse, and who for long and faithful services were objects of his grace and fa vour—of those his Majesty bad himself placed on the Privy Purse claims to the amount of 80001. He would only say, that the same principle of economy pursued with respect to her Majesty, was adopted with respect to the servants of the late King. No State Officers, none but menials, were to receive any provision. It was by no means the intention of Government to submit the claims of all those who had received pensions from his Majesty, but those persons alone of the descrip tion he had already mentioned. There was ano ther class of persons, namely servants who had been but a short time in the Royal service ; to those it was intended to give one year's wages. Mr. BANKS opposed the grant, as intending to put a permanent burthen on the country. Mr. Hum& observed, that although the Noble Lord professed to proceed in this case upon the precedent of the provision made in 1819 for the Queen's servants, there was this remediable dis crepancy, that in the precedent quoted the ser vants were only allowed about three-fouro , s of their salary, while, in the present case, it was proposed to grant the servants of his late M , jesty the whole of their salary. There was also another discrepancy, that while in the grant of 1819 those servants only who had served eight years 've► a provided for, those who had only been one year in the King's service, were to have their whole salary fur life. The Honourable Member quoted several instances to sustain his assertion, and after animadverting upon the prodigality of Ministers, in applying to the public purse for these grants, instead of providing for them from the Pen4ott Lists of Eng! end , Ir e lan d, l and Scotland, ex pressed his intention to make a motion upon the subject, with a view to reduce the proposed al lowance to the standard of the precedent alluded to by the Noble Lord. Mr. \T M . SMITH thought those who were call ed the Great Officers of State, mid whom he con sidered as a sort of halt menial servants, s!iould have no pecuniaty allowance whatever, and that as they deemed it' an honour and dignity to serve the Crown in this capacity, they should do s's without any salary, money certainly contribtving to advance the digni;y of their station. Here the Hon. Gentleman took a review of the Pen sions granted from the Privy Purse of the late King, expressing his astonishment to find, that while only 4001. was allowed t o the jiiffly cele brated Sir Wm. Herschel!, above 1001. a year was granted to several musicians ; he was also surprised to hear, that the Pension granted hyltis late Majesty to that distinguished painter Mr. West was withdrawn some time before the demise of the Crown, and at a time when, he under stood, that great artist was much in want of money._ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER vindicated the arrangement proposed, stating that every practicable reduction was made, and that this. provision arose out of the uncommon circum stance of two Royal Households having existed at the same petiod. It was known that the Prince Regent's Establishment was 'complete lung In fore the death of the late King, and that therefore the servants of his Majesty could nit, as %y ds t h e case heretofore, be transferred to his snceessoi. Hence the necessity of making the present appeal to the liberality of Parliament. But that appeal referring to meritorious servants would not, he thought, be made in vain. He instanced particu larly the merit of the Pages, who had closdy at tended his Majesty throughout his lamented ill ness, without having ever divulged any of those anecdotes which were too often propagated on sue II melancholy occasions. —(Hear !)---With re speict to Mr. West, ;be fact was, that his salary, wh ch was not paid from the Privy Purse, hut (torn the Lord Chamberlain's department, for taking care of his Majesty's pictures, was never witlsdrawn from that eminent artist. Mr. WILLIAMS entorced Mr. Hume's view of the purposed grants, thinking, that according to the precedent referred to by the Noble Lot d, they ought to be reduced at least one-fifth. Mr. HusrussoN stated, that according to the recommendation of a Committee upon the si.b. ject, there was a compensation granted to the Queen's servants in lien of perquisites, in addi tion to the vote alluded to by the Honourable Member for Aberdeen, and therefore tl►at Hun. Member's comparison was erroneous. With re gard to Mr. West, he was enabled to say, that not only the allowance from the Lord Chamber lain's Department was continued to that illus trious artist to the end of his life, but to add, that to his knowledge Mr. West received 1,0001. a year from the privy purse of Iris Majesty, with a. view to encourage tl►e arts, - anti that the whole of the sum thus granted by his Majesty, whose pa tronage of the arts was proverbial, amounted to no less titan 40,0001. Mr. W. SMITH expressed himself peculiarly glad to learn, that he was misintornted with re spect to the treatment of Mr. West, adding that he never doubted the I-ire King's munificence to wards that eminent individual, or towards the fine arts in general. . Mr. Hums moved an Amendment. that instead of 90001., the sum of 7,6001. shua/d be voted for the purpose referred to, but this Amendment was negatived. Certain stints were revoted which were granted for the use of the King's Household; 60,000! for the use of the Veteran Battalions in Great &1.- main, and 20,0001. for the Veteran B ttalion• Ireland were also voted, on the motion of Lord Palmerston.—The House resumed, and the Re port was otdered to he brough t up I , to-morrow. H Lord CASTLEREATGHEn Cl ko U v h e%r the appointment of a Commit'.et to ex4zine the Journals of the