The Sun. — London, England, 1820-08-04 00:00:00

COURT OF COMMON COUNCIL. Yesterday a Court of Common Conncil Was held for the purpose of taking into consideration the. questionyegarding Sheriff PARKINS, that re lated.to the Sword Bearer, and the more interest ing subject of the refusal of the House of Lords to receive the Petition voted upon the last day of the meeting in this Court, with respect to. the Bill of Pains - and Penalties against the QUEEN. Mr. SAvAGE withdrew his motion for an in crease of salary to the Recorder--(hear, hear!) — for the present. - The Loan MAYOR infoimed the Court that he had received a Requisition, signed by several Members of the Court. to call a Court to consider the propriety of moving' another Petition upon the subject of the Bill pending against the Queen, to the Mouse of Lords, and that he had sent'a lar. to. the Members upon the subject, stating, that his Lordship proposed adding the discussion upon that subject to the business of the day of the present Meeting. THE (ITTEE. Mr. Gr.inivg expPessed a hope that the Re reembrancer would he ordered to state whether the Petition of the Court was or was not received by the House of Lords. The Court Officer having read the Requisi- (ion— 17 - ; Mr. FAT ELL rose and said, he did not mean to delay the . Court long after the solemn and almost unanimous opinion delivered at the last Court. The Court had thought it expedient to petition both Muses of Parliament, one of which had received their petition without hesitation ; the other had thought proper to reject it, not= withstanding the respectful language in which it was. drawn up, and the evidence it bore, that not'iing offensive was entertained. It had been stated .by a great authority', that even if a peti tion contained treason it should not be rejected. The Lords were but one Estate of the' realm, and though very important in their station; should' not consider the Petition of the City of London without some feeling of respect. The question Which they were at present agitating, is certainly one of great consequence to the rights of the Ci tizens of London. The Lord Mayor must feel pride in being in the situation which Beckford once filled, and' by doing his duty, in which he was honoured by a marble bust, and more glo riously honoured by the recollection 'of poste rity. If the meanest peasant had been in the Situation of the Queen, as to a charge subjecting her to a Bill of Pains and Penalties, the same spirit of proceeding could never be adopted against her. Whatever might be the result of the Inquiry, the Court would have the consola tion of knowing that they had done their duty. He then moved three Resolutions, (for which see Advertisement, in our first page.) Mr. HuncomßE spoke strongly in . favour of the right of Petition, which had, in this case, been interfered with by the House of Lords. .Mr. Dixon said, he was of opinion that the Court had a right to petition, but not to dictate. They had no right to look, upon themselves as the fourth Estate of the realm. He considered that a more proper or a more stinging answer had not upon any occasion been given than upon that of presenting such a petition : the Court of Com mon. Council were not, he assured them, of such high importance as some of its members sup posed, and their conduct upon this occasion was consideredJy manrimpertinent. The rights and privileges of the citizens were not violated by the refusal of what was an instance of the greatest presumption. The conduct of :Beckford' had been praised, but' that very man who talked of liberty kept thousands in slavery. He departed, in his speech -to the Sovereign, from propriety altogether. lie then said he should oppose the it4 , solu tions. Mr: OLDHAM said, that Mr. Dixon had not answered one argument of his Worthy Friend. It' was to be . Wished that the Worthy Gentleman woald_write Out his speech, verbatim et lileralim, and send it round for the benefit of the commu nity: -- lie could then have an opportunity of do ing what the press did not think it worth its while to do. Mr. Oldbam then took a view of the Bill of Pains and Penalties against the Queen. If there was a body which should be heard at the bar of the HOuse of Lords more than any other,' that body was the Corporation of Lon hearl)—The rejection of a Peti tion from such a body was more dangerous to the liberties of. the. people, inasmuch as the claim was more powerful than any other, and the re fusalrWas a precedent for a further denial of the rights of the peOple. Mr. Wi.f;LiAiis (of , Smithfield) said, that what ever might be the view taken by gentlemen upon this subject, they might with great pro pi'iety vote for the Resolutions. The right of petition 'was an inherent right, and the Court would be abstirdli resigning their most impor tant privileges, if they 'did not hold that lan gtike Upon all occasions. WArrIIMAN Said, the poor and the ignorant hail time ,right to petition as well as those who were in the affluent ranks, when their rights were - in danger. It was quite suffi cient if they believed the danger existed —no pioOf was • necessary to establish their titl e . Was there a ,Iw. in the dominions who did not . knoiv that . the refusal to. receive their Peti tion.. was not a stride towards making a prac tice of rejecting in. all cases. He was at a loss to know upon what grounds it had been refused. nit proceeding was the very reverse of justice. Why were the soldiers called out ?—what was tLeAlecessity,.in.a.thne of peace, for reviews, or for having the metropolis surrounded by• 40,000 or We "inilitafy ? ht was because the public feel ing at. those obnoxious proceedings was feared 15'ecause it. was expected that the people would be too much Njtated.—(liear lj—The case of :Anne boleVn Was the only ne that was analo geif.4. mifortooat e woman demanded a public trial, and that she should not be tried by her accusers. She was put to death and the • pilbric 'at Chat wine ) posterity ) touslatiea lies an iiu woman. _ _ The Loan MAYOR here interrupted the wor thy Alderman, and said there was an improper comparison drawn to the prejudice of the House of Lords—(Cries of " No, nor) Alderman WArrnmAN said, it was most unfair to interrupt him. He was unconscious of having said an improper word, and was convinced that the Lord'Mayor should not attempt to rual:e a comment upon the opinions or declarations of any Member. He would repeat, that Anne Bo leyn was an innocent woman, and that putting to death an innocent woman was nothing less than murder. The LORD MAYOR said, that in intetrupting Alderman Waithman, he had entertained no idea of doing more than object to the comparison be tween the worst of the times of England and the present, and to the questioning of the judicial proceedings of the House of Lords. tie disclaim ed all idea of throwing the slightest imputation upon the Queen.—(llear, hear!) Mr. BROWN said, it was impossible for Parlia ment to adopt any other course than that upon which the House of Lords was proceeding. This Bill of Pains and Penalties would be referred to by future times with pride, as the only safe mode of discussing this important question. If both Ifouses agreed in thinking the Queen guilty, he should, although unwillingly, join in the conclu sion. He could not but oppose a Petition which went in condemnation of a Bill which was, under such circumstances the most unobjectionable that • could be. Mr. Juan supported the Resolutions. Mr. T. N. WILLIAMS said, the Petition was, objectionable, because it was merely upon one side. The Court were sending abroad t!te apple of discord, instead of acting as a polar star to the conununity. lie then charged . Alderman Waith man with having said there existed a disposition in the Houses of Parliament to deprive the Queen of England of her head.—(Cries of " Or der !" and " No, no !") Alderman WAITILMAN denied that he had said any thing of the kind, and hoped the Lord Mayor Would' interfere to prevent such gross misrepre sentations. Mr. T. N. WILLIAMS said, the argument at least was to that effect. lie finished soon after, but not without being contradicted very fre quently. Mr.SAUNDMIS supported the Resolutions. Mr. FAVELL briefly replied, and the Resolu tions were carried without a division. A Petition to the Lords, grounded upon those Resolutions,.was then moved and carried. - Upon a Report from the Committee appointed to watch .over the proceedings of. the - Court of Aldermen, in their prosecution against certain Liverymen for an obstruction in Common Hall, on Michaelmas-day last, the Court agreed to withdraw their Resolution, prohibiting the Chamberlain to pay the expenses of the Court of Aldermen, and passed an order for paynient of the costs of all parties respectively. o y uo CI) 7. _ zr; :^7. ra a t r C; 7*, ;•-• r ••• ." 1 .7% tr •-• • .... a) GO CI 4 " . GO Co Ca Cs Ca :x, .'.. , co cz 11..1 • .. .-• z- G 4 C.. 1 :J .2 tD • CI .- co cli CA 0 • • C,r, rt .-o ,-, = tJ C F F . ° Er: co to 9?? c a n o v. 0 Q . . to to tO tO Ca '::"4. ... ~.... p.• PO , CA ,1..' OD ao ce 0 -4 F. .- -. 0 0 :::" .- J CA • , o 0 to C..., eq Z rT.'" , t n re , 9 -1 .1 IJ 1:7 t 0 rt:l C O C O c o C ra •—• o•-• •—• •—• go -1.0 CO C. 7 •-••••-• *. • 1P.... 1..-.. 4.-• ...... .-• . C '.7 TIMBER DUTIES. MINUTES of EVIDENCE relative to the TIMBER TRADE, taken befol•e the SELECT COMMITTEE of the HOUSE of LORDS, appointed to inquire into the Means of extend• ing and securing the FOREIGN TRADE of the COUN TRY, and to Report to the House. (Continued from our Paper of yesterday.) 10 9 Junii, 1820. WILLIAM STEW' ART, Esq. is called in, and examined as follows : In what business have you been engaged ?—I have been a general merchant before I turned my attention wore particu larly to the Canada Trade; I had mercantile connections in Ireland and elsewhere. - _ . 1-low lung have you been •in the Canada Trade ?—About seven or eight years. Have you been during that time exclusively engaged in the Canada Trade ?—Not. exclusively; 1 still maintain my other connections. V•,•• But as far as the Timber Trade was concerned, you were in the Canada Trade exclusively ?—ln the Canada Trade ex clusively. Can you inform the Committee as to the qualities of Tim ber, the growth of the North American Colonies, as compared wit liTimber the produce of the North of Europe . ?—The Timber usually imported from America is not equal in quality to the best Timber that is brought from Norway and other countries on the Baltic, hut the British Colonies in North America can produce Timber which I conceive to be perfectly equal to the 'r MORT of Norway and other parts of the North of Eu rope, namely the red pine Timber. The reason perhaps. why the second rate article is brought, is, that the consumption of that &se' iption of 'Timber is mach greater: the consump-. tion of this Country is perhaps two-thtrds for inferior pur posel. Describe'what those inferior purposes are, as nearly as you can state them to the Committee ?—ln minor buildings of every description none but inferior Timber is used ; it is also 'used in the second rate houses ; fur other common purposes it is equally applicable- Of the deals consumed in this Country about one-third is by box - makers for pack ing -cases, and for those purposes, inferior Timber, whether front the Baltic, from Norway, or North America, has always been used. There are many purposes fur which the American Timber is preferred, and which also constitute a large feature in the consumption; as in the manufacture of musical-inStru mews, picture-frames, window-blinds, and toys. I enume rate these, because it might not he generally known, that these comparatively minor articles constitute a large feature in the consumption ; to those might .be added the press boards used in cotton manufactures, and fur other purposes where a large surface is required. For these purposes the American Timber is preferred, because it is what is tech -niCally called cleaner, that is - free. from Knots and larger. Then the reason of the preferenee , dues nut arise from the circumstance of its beit cheaper I—lt is preferred for these •pUrposes. Would not then the Canada, Timber continue to'be employ ed for these purposes which you have last deScribd, even in the event 9f the Duties on Timberfrom the North of Europe being removed or diminished ?—lf removed, certainly not, because it could not be. brought in competition. If reduced, it must depend upon the extent of the 'eduction. If the Duties on the importation of Timber from the Not th of Europe were so far reduced as to make them exactly com pensate the difference of freight between the voyage from Canada and-lhe voyage front the Baltic, would then the Ca nada Timber,continue to be preferred for t lurse purposes which you have described?—The preference would continue, if they were both brought into the market at the same ex pence. _ . %Vite n yo u speak of the expence, do you include the prime cost of the are isle ?—I mean, - that if the two articles were of fered fur sale in this country at the saute price, the consumer would give the American . Timber the preference for thos e purposes. Is not the red pine" employed for putitoses totally distinct from the purposes for which the other Canada Timber is em ployed, such as you have described How then du you account for the greater consumption of Canada Timber, fur the inferior purposes you have described, iireventing,"as the Committee Understands you to say it does "prevent, the best lint of red pine being brought for those purposes ?—The Canada red pine is used for the saute purposes .as the red pine Timber front the North., of Europe. The yellow pine Timber of America, which is the leading article of consumption, is used fur the same purposes as the white . The Duty on Deals froni Sto 20 feet being paid upon 120 running pieces,without regard to their dimensions, the above calculation is intended to stiew the amount ot Duty paid upon _actual contents; whence it will appear, that the principle adopted in preference to a graduated scale, operates as an encouragement to import the largest and hest Deals; and thus ena bles those countries where they are produced, and %those freights are higher from the extent of their voyage, to compete in the British market with those more contiguous, but whose Timber is smaller. - It shOuld likewise be observed, thatthe Duty on Deals less than S fret, being too low in proportion, entire cargoes of this description are imported, particularly from Norway, to the injury of the Revenue; but a still more serious injury to the Revenue arises from the wording of the clause regulating the Duty on paling boards, and in consequence cargoes are imported under that denomination at a Duty 0f.31. 14s. 6d. per 120 running pieces, which being of the same substance and dimensions as Deals, are applicable to the saute purposes, and ought to pay the full Duty of 201. Iss. sd. The Witness is directed to withdraw. (lo he continued.) POLICE INTELLIGENCE. MOST EXTRAORDINARY TRANSACTION. _ TOWN HAI L, SOUTHWARK. During the greatest part of yesterday . , Sir JOHN EAMER was laboriously employed in the investigation of an extraordinary case, in a summons granted at the instance of a handsome young woman, against two females, named Shurey and Cronan. The defendant, Mis: Shurey; is a married wo .man, but lives with a man named -Michael . Cal laghan, in Kent-street ; -and the other prisoner is their ago, the lodger, and sleeps in the same room. About a a complainant had theinisfortune to get a cquainted.with Callaghan, who professed a warm attachment towards her and as he introduced himself as a young man free from all incumbrance, she allowed him to visit her where she m as at service, on the footing of a lover. In an unguarded hour, she became the victim of seduction, and being unable to conceal her situation from her master and mistress, the loss of her place was the con sequence. She then got lodgings 'in a wretched alley in the Borough, where her. seducer still :visits her, and promised faithfully to marry her,. as.soon as his affairs were a little; .arranged ; but within a few. days of her accouchement, he desert ed her altogether. She. was )vithout friends or .money, and during her illness experienced the greatest privations ; she frequently sent to Cal laghan for some relief ; but he refused to give her any. A day or two after her recovery, she went to his lodging with the child (a fine boy), and Presented - it to him ; he received her in the presence. of the defendants with ,the, greatest scorn, and made many unfeeling remarks on the poor child, in which he was.joined by both the women. The complainant 'in a great passion, laid down the child and. went away, but next morning, repenting what she had done, site went back *WI Lilo lutinitioti of brinsis ing it away, when to her great surprise, the ge", fendant Shurey, denied that she . ever left a ch ild there ; the complainant, however, seeing her ow° infant in the woman's arms, made, an effort to take it away, on which the latter called loudly for as' Sistance, and a number of persons came in fror the street, to whom she represented that the cow' plainant had forcibly attempted to take away her child, and the consequence was, that the poor woman was maltreated and turned into the streets She made many subsequent attempts to gain pos'' SessiOn of the child, in all Of II hich she failed meanwhile the infant had. shrunk to half its ors' g-inal size, from the want of proper attention and nourishment. Last Tuesday she made a last arty, desperate effort to get the child, but was attacke d by both the prisoners, her clothes torn from lief back, as well as two handfuls of her hair, and she was finally kicked down stairs, and severely con' tused about the head and body. Mrs. Shurey now produced the child, in obe. dience to the mandate of the Court, and a painfu l' spectacle it presented ; its thighs were not thicker than a middle-sized walking , stick, and the arms w:..re about as thick as the haft of a knife, whilst,, in various parts, the skin was excoriated. It up' peare'd as if every means had been resorted to t d accelerate the poor child's' death. The de!'eudant protested stoutly that the child was her own offspring, and refused on aq consideration to deliver it up to any one. Sh e called a number of witnesses, who stated their belief that she had been delivered of a child withb, the last. six weeks . , which child they believed sb e then had in her arms. On the other hand the complainant, in the most earnest manner, declared that it was a co"' spiracy amongst them to detain the child till it died for want of care, which would exonerate i t ' inhuman father from the claim which the parist', would necessarily make on him for the support. She also called a number of. womeot who bore testimony to the birth of the child, aPa identified the one Which Mrs. Shurey carried as: the same of which she had been delivered it t their presence. Amidst all this conflicting testimony, the we' thy Magistrate.was at a loss how to act ; but oh": serving . the prisoner giving the breast to the child, he desired that she might be examined , when, to the astonishment of all pregent, it 14' 3 , 5 discovered that she had no milk at all, and th''. presenting the breast to the child was more than an attempt to impose upon the Mag,is" trate ! Her confusion, when desired to shed , that she possessed_ breast milk, entirely depriv e her of utterance ; she could make no excuse, th e. question was so direCtly pointed, but handed th e ' child over to the complainant, who, on receivill; it, pressed it to her bosom with maternal fowl: ness, whilst she bathed the little innocent with tears of joy. To add to the confusion of the woman Shureil a female who was present, stated that sh e been on terms of intimacy with her for mat!Y years, and she believed she never had a chile her life. Sir JOHN EAmrat said, he did not at that 11 1 ° 1 ment recollect any law that would punish su c,l : flagitious, such infamous conduct, especiall;" neither the defendants. nor their witnesses Jo been sworn to their eviaence. There could 1)e little doubt of their object in detaining the chi lu, , Its appearance sufficiently justified every susr, don on that head, and if it had died (and it I°' very surprising it did not,) they would have lieu most assuredly hung for the murder. With re" gard to the assault, that was sufficiently prove", and he should order them to be detained till diet procured good bail. The defendants were-accordingly held to 01' DARING GANG OF ROBBERS. Bo W-STREET.—Yesterday another investigatil took place before RicaAlin BIRNIE, B-Sq• 11 : 1 4 BRERETON, Esq. respecting the da r i% and outrageous conduct of gangs of robbers 8, the opening of the Regent's Canal, near Hae Fields, on Tuesday. It appeared from the sta te ' went of Davis, a constable, that there were seve° ral gangs of thieves assembled upon the occasi°llo./ and it is supposed that there has not been suc il , t desperate and numerous assemblage since W e ' End Fair last year. One of the gangs an iount, ed to between fifty and sixty, and the rflos , , t , l Y, merous gang he estimated at nearly one Ivo" We regret that only one of these during villains WI., secured. He said his name was Joseph Elling'a The charge against him was for being concern e . 0 7 . with a number of others, in violently assatlitlit and robbing -John Aird, Esq. of Mare -stree t; Hackney, who it appeared was pushed or li:O r the ,ed down by a gang of robbers, in a field, in .0 most daring manner, and a desperate atteinpt made to rob him of his watch, in which till° ti . o; . tains' intention was frustrated, owing to its b e gi n ; tight in his pocket, but they succeeded in for away his chain, seal, and kev. On his rec°, s , et s big himself, he found one of his breeches I:we'd turned inside out, and three 10/. two 51., a three 1/. Bank of England notes stolen. rciv' Mr. John Wells, of Batten's-court, Chu tot street, hackney, a tailor, saw the prosectiad on the ground after he was knocked down, helped to pidc him up. He also saw time P o r soner running away afterwards, on the c, r / o ot " stop thief!" being raised, but be couluidd ident;fy him as one of the men who WW II 'e• the prosecutor after he was knocked down. veral witnesses corroborated this statemen•fettod The prisoner in his defence said lie had . 0 at the Bank notes, and accounted for his ru09,1, as the time the hue and cry of " stop thief ee t he raised,. by saving that he was running t° se for. boats pass, whereas the boats did n ot pass half an hour afterwards. Th e The prisoner was committed for trial' oi prosecutor, N' VllO is infirm, was very reitict3ll bound over to prosecute e3 t o. O r LONDON : Printed by .1. B. CARSTAIBS , " f ° s r , 1 1);: i d ,s - r o e f et Ni ( ) 1 . u 7 i:en s - o sq u i t t i a l re i‘ ; aipitt,s,dn.sptiii.ebei ti,,hta.at ltd : 4 ) Office, No. 114, Strand ; where Adveitiseelentif Letters, &c. (post-paid) must be addresscd. pine front the North of Enfriff - Yould be wia butt the red pine Timber at present is brought in limited qunotities. Does not the red pine,hrmeit from Canada, sell fur a.great deal more than the white pine ?--Yes, it does. Then, how do you account for the. best sort of red pine not being now brought from Canada, as the Committee nnder stand you to say it is not ?—lleing more expensive, and less common in the Country, it is only brought in limited quan tities; and the consumption fur inferior, porimses bring so nine!) greater than the deMand for tlie higher class of 1,1641 7 ings, the cheaper article will alWays he imported.. 'Bed pine Timber is fnore difficult to procure. There is less of it ship ped than there is of the yellow; hut the saute is the case with respect to Norway, and the Ports of the Baltic. Much less red pine comes from the North of Europe, than of the Wliite Pins. What description. of Canada Timber would the Baltic Tim ber drive out of the matket, if both were brought to this country at the same eXpencr ?---For all second rate purposes, they would equally meet with a sale. You 1)61161,41 hail& logs, the Norway and Baltic Timberwould have the pre ference. Do they now meet with an equal sale ?—The consumption of American Timber exceeds that of Norway and the Baltic, in this country at present. Do you mean generally for buildings ?—Generally speak ing, for second rate porpo-es. The great feature of consump tion in this country being for inferior porposes. Are the two descriptions of Timber equally subject to the dry-rot, when placed under similar cirt astances ?—I am not pm haps a competent person to answer that question. If you yourself had a building of any description to con struct, and you could get American Timber and Norway Tim ber for the purpose of that - construction at the same pike; which would you prefer ?—As I said before, for a Mansion or other principal pudding I would prefer the Baltic Timber; but lot barns, stables, and other buildings of that description, I should out use it. B.ing an importer, not a consumer, I am not a competent judge of respective durahility; but .for any principal buildings I would give a preference to Metud or.Danizic over America, because I know the prejoilite is in favour of it. Ido not know whether I should call it preju dice, but opinion is in favour• of it, and I must presume that opinion to be founded upon experience.. . The Witness delivers in a- paper, which is read, and is as follows : ze ''! r: 3 - g ^IE . 11 o r 3 6 . 3 E eC V en 1.1 = 1". *-‹ , •=t C —, d r 1 1:-.• C' . ,- i = 'f%' t"' c.n (. C~~~, . I , 'lf C ~ti Ipal t \'(l - k, 4,"10, i ~ P~~' ''it