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11wire bad adopted. They had power to adopt it.;.ua could it be said they had done wrong in th 6 etercie of the power with which they were entrusted b y the Constitution? Suppose a (~-rant~ Jury was to decide upon an indictment which'charged the Prince'ss with a misdemeanour, whei-e could they !ay the misderneanpur ? It ivould be abroad, and not being within the realm, there could be no indictment. The Noble null Learned Lord then cited Sacheverel's case in sweport of the law upon the point, and maintained that there could not have been an io dictment, as their Lordships could not proceed by indictment or impeachment on ittiy other . grounds than that of the offence 'being com mitted within the retain. The mode of proceed ing .1.)5' MIL wao, under all the circurnstoures • of - this case, preferable to any other proceedlitg: Trial, by legiolatiVe mode was alto pro.duc- - five of great atlvautao-es to the accused : ad-* *ant-ages not to be foam/ in a trial for Ilirla Trea- Y.n.71. Time had been allowed in the cocrse of this Fracoetling - which co+lid not have been ob tainvd in any. other. - 'l'ba tiiac had'been eno plo3od in the endeavour to say so-otetlaing tz,reeitto - t '.I7PTV i iuw -, S who 11;lai'MYellt a cross xuri-ination. ;such had been said on the! r.Npodii.'nev, hut coOld any thing he mire ineifred3i , at tiYan giving i4p fitis pro -o,sl‘tlinp:' after' the Ilo‘rie Lad gone o far?— Theoc were tohi o tikrnatent colt of that House; knerr 4fi;eic9ntent with respect ta the Witnesses 6'43 YSP3a o hoe loo'g.hog, at the evitleitee on.one if& a-nd . the. other,' he as convinced there was met 4 - 7,Avit if for nli;c1; diicootent. So far (rout thinljne Theo a reason for .:olv)reg - op the Bill, it hes loorflohie:'„s opinion, stroi rea.sonio Jtrideoo the.it LOAships iic poss •it to the other Ileosove leavioo that branch of the Legislature to tlar soh it :shot they thooo,lit be s t. '* The. Noble rood - Loomed Lord concloded at forte - dark, - tohkt. 11:ze noose adjourned till to morrow morning. ..PROCEF,DE*.i'G-: OF TlitS • PNY. the usual fannalities werc finish ed tN,:f ItAlf-past test.—Altbstuglt There were strong reirrrt-i, of the Q,LEE:e. coming tio‘wn . this liay, it WaS ObSellVegi that the Life Guards were ordered off dizty 'Joan ufler the hanr of eleven. It was re.:Thark.,..4 that ViStOgin CASTLFREAtiIt Wai on titerri of the Throne., enga zed Fit conversation , at an'early hour. THE ISILL.-11ESVIN ED DEBATE.) soon. vs the Order of the Day ho.d been read in the nitial form, The Harr of GILOSceNOII took occasion to ad dresi the !rouse ; but it was tenposiibk tco Cot k } two-thiri3s of 115 s Loniship's pe,e3, it being in many parts quite inantlible to persons who were . 'the I. Ile conl4l .acsnre their Lurdships,.. that no man roald have paid more at tention to thi proceedings,. daring the whole of this. ingairy, than he hail done., and to the plead in 3:: also of Courusei on bofh and he had yesterday listened most attentively to the clo q*ut addresses which had been delivered in that Ho use. The resalt of his mire' was, that . he- most •firthly declared. befo - re G gad and the Country, 'that he coaltl not perceive that the cruelly aeCumulated Char es against her Majesty had been 51tbsia fiat e d ; he therefore felt it hi s solemn duty as be mast hereafter answer at the 'Bar 'of Heaven, where . this question would be decided as good or evil, that he must say he wduld give his vote against the second reading of the Bill. He claimed 'their indulgence while he stated his reasons for giving this, vote. Ho re gretted much the. indisposition of his Noble nod' Learned" Friend (Firsisine), who had given so powirful an opposition to the Bill yesterday, and which must make his absence regretted _by all who heard his able speech. His principal fear aiose frOm the prejudities which might be ex . cited by the arguments for ahe Bill, and under -this disadvantage he felt as if he were debarred from giving his • sentiments to the House, in the apprehension that. he might injure the , cause he 'meant to. serve. Before he entered 'on particular points, he wished to recall :their Lordships attention, to one or two of the arguments in favoar of the Bill, which had been used byttiva: Noble and Learned Lord on the Woohack. If he understood. that Noble and Learned-Lord, he said; that _after holding: the. balance hf justice' with an. even baud, he had come to_ the conclusion 'he was compelled' to . form. The Noble and Learned Lord was re minded by a Noble Earl near hint,, that it was a fr n eeat 'Pity that his Majesty's Ministers had . not always held the balance of justice with an even . . hand, as' they would not in such an event have pre- judged the question by , omitting the' ,Queen's name in • the Liturl,y,-an action approved by very few, and which had • produced, all that disgust• which. operated on the public mind. It was 'worthy of. consideration at present, iu this stage of this ominous . Bill, whether, if the Eil 1 should unfortunately pass that House, they were certain of .the concurrence of the other Reuse. He; did not mean in saying this to advise their Lordships to concede to the inthience. external force, as it would loWer them in the es timation of. the Country to sUppose that they acted from a fear of the house o` f Coto tnons. But this question bad already been under the consideration of the other House, where it was declared to be derogatory to the dignity of the Crown, and injurious to the best interests of the Country: It might then not• be unworthy of their Lordships to think how far it might be eligible to stop. It should be recollected, that when the Green Rag found its way to the other House, it was not • entertained there, but absolutely 'shoved off .tlie Table. He would contend, that it was impos sible for their Lordships noteto know the public • feeling on this subjk , ct ; and-they, therefore, ought to consider how far the Natikutal safety, and their Lordships honour might be affected by passing this Bill, if the other /louse sheaid rejectit: Nat to giveundue weight to such a - result as this, their Lordships would be mortified in their feelings, and lowered lit public estimation. He therefore eatreated them to reconsider their course.. It was both an -advantage and disadvantage that this trial had been so much before the world, and , iliseetssed not only ',here, but .even in all Etirope, I and that the al Arge, in general werede . ened‘to he 1 false and grootolless„ though it was possible,whiCh he hoped not i that the House might thiok different ly. The Noble and 'Learned Lord had said, what he hoped would 'never be forgotten by the Iloa:se, that i-fany doubt existed in their Lordships' minds, her Majesty ou;ht to have the full benefit of thitt doubt.. While commenting on the arguments that had yesterday , been used by that, Learned Lord (itedesdale) on the cross -bench, he should en deavour to thrOw aside all extraneous. poiiits, and }hereby to N up much less of . their Lord-, " ships' time than he otherwise must have done. 'Before tioiug this, he would say somet ing re specting the making of no tAteration iatlW'Bill, for it must be remembered that if alterations were now made, the Bill must, according to the admission of the Noble Lord of the Woolsack, be not snore penal, but on the century As penalties . should be mitigated. He was free to: declare - then that .in its present shape, it was quite impossible for the Bill to pass, and if •it passed . with alterations, it was its impossible for any Lord to vote for it. Hopeful as he was, that before the second reading,some alterations wisuld be made in the Bill, \ yet he was afraid than such alterations would not make it more palateable. Let them look.. at the extraordinary" situation in which the Bill placed both them and the Queen, who was not charged with treason or murder, or any other crime but adultery, which, according to some doctrines,. was no crime at all. It all rested on this point, and this was the whole charge. If delivered, it would not be7as regard ed the King, for she had been guilty not of adul tery, but fornication. How did it happen she wa , . prosecuted atali ? She was prosecuted how , ever, not as the King's Consort, but as the wife of the Country. It was the State that prose cuted in this case, and certainly not the King, for his Majesty was nowhere to be traced out, though his Lords and Commons were imploring him to divorce his Queen.—He came 'now to the consideration of the arguments of the Noble and Learned Lords (Eldon and Lauder dale) as to the credit to be attached to some por tion of the evidence in favour of the Bill, and though they did not agree as to the extent of the discredit to be• thrown on the testimony of Ma- • jocci and Sacchi, yet they agreed in general; and • the Learned Lord (Eldon) had declared he would not allow such evidence as• was not perfectly clear and satisfactory to operate on his mind. Hence that Noble •and Learned" Lord attached his remarks _ to that part of the evidence which he considered clear, and particularly as to the polacca scenes. However the No ble Earl (Lauderdale) had gone further than the Noble and Learned Lord, and endea voured• to place the testimony of these witnesses in a fairer point of view.. Noble and Learned Lords had dwelt especially on the elevation . of Bergami by the Queen, what transpired at the inn at Carlsrhue, and on board the polacca. He referred to the villa, Barona, which was said . to Ahave Been put-Chased by .the Queen for Bergami, but it 'appeared to him from the evidence that at the. time of the purchase it was, aot cer tain whether Bergami would reside there or not; but even iE it was, it was of-no consequence, as the Barona was nothing more than a mere farm. He defended her Majesty's attachment to Bergami, on account of his fidelity to her, I is merits and ser vices ; and he observed, that if their Lord ships would abstract the notion of adultery from the present case, there was nothing strange in the elevation of. that man. As to his wife's net residing. with the Queen, he appealed to Noble Lords how common it was for themselves to have domestic servants whose wives did not reside in their houses.' Bergami's wife was pro vided for-from the property of her husband, which was all the. provision she needed. He ridiculed the tent scene on board the polacca, and contended that the only proof of Bergami's sleeping there, was ,the circumstance of liownam finding the hatchway open one night when he went . up :the ladder to the deck.—(Left speaking.) _ ____ [Weobserv e d that Lord EUSKINE, though he did not answe r to his call, had , entered the House.] We hive bad no arrival of Paris Papers this moraing, .coew, York Papers,- to the 11th ult. arrived this morning : FILOII S I: Tit AM EX1C.1..-- 7 -The ship Beaver, fiocu Guyaquil, Callao, and Rio Janeiro, arrived this morn-. Lug; she brings the follownrg intelligvnee the Last ar rivals at Rio de Janeiro frinn littenos Ayres, all Walt in COl7- tiisinn; the citizens were in arms, defending theni4elves agailist .It.trsAn, who was without the town with a !Indy of desperkdoei, and threatened destruction to the,ylace if lie mitered it ; it W4S rrpoited, however, tivit tie was worsted. Flow fire accounts were up to the t gth of Juste. at 'chief; time the Expeslition for Vero was ill great forwardness ; it WAY to Cxll2tiSt 019 vessels of win, 40 transports, and ohntit aOOO tt.(l;s.,' tuber the cumwaud Of Sr. ILAUTIN. 'The Tyne British sloop of war sailed trout Cainjo the tit of done, with f3,500,000401iar5, Ip:lotiging to Spanish 111erchants; site landed a pit of the trea.ttles at Rio Janeiro, and sailed from theoce to England the i.tth of August. • Accounts (tont Savannah state, that the skittles.; three for the last month ftas amounted almost to a plague, and this City hos been almost deserted. The number of deaths for thr last days has been frOta 10 to ifl per day. The deaths amongst the whites, from the Ist to the 22d inclusive, have beets t,4S, SPA - NMI MAT:.—Captain WATKINS, from Coracoa, statei, that tit was compelled to leave Sata Ma, and with di coity escaped the Patrfots, wit() „wt. re till the CVO of tatiog it. We have noticed, in another part of our Paper, a rumour that FIEn MALE TY elMiiitei seeing the Prince of SAXE Cusou tee when let called lately at Brandenhurglr House. Hen :NW ESTV's conduct, in this respect, tin eleobts resulted from those considerations Which must octer to erery sine who reflects On the eir'com ,tance. It cotillion( but appear singular to flea MAJESTY, that the Prince of SAxa CoBURG, who, from the utometit of Hue MA.resTY's return to Eng- Nutt to tho period of his ottexpecte4 visit to Brandenburgli [louse, had studiously avoided pa:, irtg Hitt MAJESTY the must distant mad: of respect, or making tier theselightest offer of assistattce iu meeting the teravyt'hargeipreferred against her, sheitild sieddeelly, a,ki before the decision of the Legislature upon those Charges, assume a differeot Cuuduet and we should not be surprised if I-latt.M.A.(EsTY attributed the change to other feelings tend motives than those which alight be . , supposed to result ( tutua conviction of her iunocetter, and of her labouring under unjust aspersions. No one, we are con vinced, would (lave blamed the Illustrious Persemage alluded to, if tot had waited upon 1 - lEx MAJesiTy itutuediately after her arrival in Ettglaud, and paid her those dutiful and respectful attentions, to which he might have consider ed her entitled, as his anther-in-Law, and which, we ima gined, were only withheld flout a feeling of delicacy, on his pact, tuwat his Royal Relatifes, and a sense of the pro pi iety of refraining from any t biog. which might be construed iota "an expression of his sentiments on the merits of the case, until they had been fully investigated and decided Upon in Pat lianeeset. But though, we are convinced, no one would have blamed the Illusteious Personage, if such had been his conduct, yet we freely confess we thick it was wore dignified and correct to conform to that detotnuour which the great body of the Peerage observed towards Has M •JESTY ; and we are at a loss to conceive what motives could induce the Prince of Smelt Collusion to deviate (rotas it at this critical period, and nut only to wake a proffer of his own attentions, but, if we are correctly informed, also to require his Illustrious Sister, the Duchess of KENT, to consent to receive flue MAJEsTY et Claremont. There is something so mysterious iit so sudden dud great a change, and something so like feelings resulting from personal dissatisfaction and pique, that we can scarcely believe all that tumour has attributed to his Royal Highness on this occasion. We never can believe that the Priuce of SAXE COBURG has forgot whose baud raised hint to his pre tient elevated rank iu this Country, and to the etijoymetit of his splendid establishments, or that . he would allow any per total considerations to influence his conduct. Neither cats we suppose that any belie of a fleeting popularity, arising from a sacrifice of principle and propriety to the opinion of the deluded multitude, could have oblitetated the recollection at the dettitoinatiou which the Prince of SAXE CoRURG is Un deritotod to have suede when he first because connected with this Country—that he would neither lend himself to the one party or the other, but observe the strictest forbearance on every subject connected with political discussion. Yesterday Count MUNiTER had an audience of his MA...JEST y, at his Palace in Pall-mall. The Duke of iroaltr and a numerous party dined yesterday with the Duke and Duchess of CLARENCE. The Duke,and Duchess of GLOUCESTER,II4d a numerous, dinner party, yesterday. On Tuesday last the lion. Mr. STANLEY left town for the Continent. WA RWlClinilllE ELECTION.— First Day's Poll --LAwLliv, 187—SPooNER, 58. Mn. EMBLE.—The Pnblic, we. are sure, will hear with pleasure that this Gentleman. has arrived in town apparently in excellent health; and heartily must they wish that he would resume that pro fession of which he was so great an ornament, by the performance of Roman and other parts ,suited to his time a life, and which he is so well quali fied to sustain with critical precision and cha racteristic energy. ttATA —ln the " ft:markt an the Defence of the Queen,” in 01,r Papee s of Wednesday; referring. to the etidence re slit (ling 1-11:.a NlAJE. , rv's sittinz nu, tbe lap of Berganti, for . NlAsoctlf read Nltia,7 , :Ni, and-;Astead of " They complain that ot/t-r," Ste. read, "They tornplaid that Petry and other 6," Zke. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCY: Bank Stoet ?lisi d ',yr Cent, RA • , 66i 67 a PC t Cent.Uotis. U 7 iii 31 - iser Cent . • eq 1 per Cents • • B.li tis -; pi.r Ct. Nary Ann. 103 i 101 Gant; Long Ann. . il - i !slap. s pro. Cent. Cs4i bitlia Stock 144;414.14dg Ex. tiiiis, ed. °minium Cm's. for Accuunt HIGH WATETI AT LOND; Mot.iiiir;, i 3 tioliml,s after 0. )ISi BRIDCE TO-MORROW. I Evefling, 5S mititilis alter 14 Ti 14 1 4 S UN. SOLNA, QUIZ PALSUM AUDELT, 'LONDON ; FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1920. bOrlitr, OF COMMON COUNCLI A Court of Common Council was h e ld 1 r terdav at Guildhall, which was nuttier° attended. Btu OF PAINS AND PENALTIES. Mr. FAVELL rose, and stated that he wish ° give a 'contingent notice-s--that if, contrary t ° probability or possibility, the Bill of Pains Penalties should pass the House , Lords' sh9tild feel it his duty to wait - on the with a .1-Jost unanimous requisition, calling 'l his:Lordship to_call the court, for the purP° se taking into consideration the proceedings ag s her Majesty, and petitioning the Mouse of mons against the Bill; or for the purpos t ` o adopting such measures with regard to it as t might deem proper. Mr. Sheriff ROTHWELL returned thanks t°,; ;c Court, in an abl e sp ee ch for the honour tic ti they had conferred upon him at the last C ° ,, lt o by their unanimous vote of thanks for his cou u during his Shrievalty. • PLACARDS.. Mr. FAVELL sEprrious rose, to bring for Ward that the Court should recommend the I'`7 4 , strates of the city to offer a reward for ti'', oo A preheiniion of Franklin and others, who sk o j, Charged with having posted inflaturnaterY treasonable placards in various parts of tite C ".i i if The Govtirrinient had set the ewuple, by : 010 -1-: a reward of 2001. for the apprehension of .1" lie and others-; and he recommended should followed by the Magistrates o f City. he r ' Mr. at.pit.v.ii asked the Lord Mayor wh .e ., i ,rl the Court of Aldermen had yet taken . atlY sures upon the subject . .? • . The Lolff) MAYOR. said,. that.- the Ci) lll ; s 'r A likrnieu had taken the subject to trt it aeration, but that they had thought the 0 " 4 ,: 1 fe of 9,001. otTered by the Government was 4 s pti cie4reniard for the purpose of public justize' c i le j that any further reward was nanecessary• had, howeyer, directed the City .Sojicitor to P i; secute Franklin for the t4euces colowitte4 o . him in . the City, at the expence of the city upOn that prosecution a true bill was foun d the London Grand Jurv, at the last Old 1 - 41 ' Sessions. POETR F. El'hiltAM. SCENR,..4'4OCre. " I'll - steep on dick"—lhe. Lady cries— " And Ea, pt's Odn;g-ht breeze inlnile; . " 4 Though-round nee bed the Isi;loves riiev " And (lap the slauntll beneath the The tent they spren4:—tint Tier& A Inackailii's aid alai rest the stli-m; The Ch ! itiltelain, wince 141. , %y `guard tier safe, 40444 hcep warm. Frown trot, ye moriest wartiell prud e s. Though with a ii,an she toJI: her 1,0; Allow for warmer irrtilfcr'ex, Aud mitte.-1 hey or vei weir ; tbel welt. :serit by ttli the siiirt, svparate , tiV Attfl, as t,,r swi-rariogt:t r >hp Pray, WllO btliert'S 0;111IS ? Aix w4ots * ciftse cmicilio.: in tliedark No tit:tll az%.;e: Thtmg!, lempetlis si I; Olt litimming 'fiat Lady nervr laiss'4l her 1, It is • reported that HER. MAjEST Y c=c ai ld seeing her illustrions Son-in-Law when lie c oi at Brandenburgh House the first time ; bo t i i i ,r4 HER MAJESTY was induced, upon considerk fr a , to intimate a wish to see him, and that in quence the Prince of SAxc .Conouß4 Upon HER MAJESTY a second time. gol t Her MAJF.s.r y confines herself at hotne at Pr ( :dlO on account of .the approaching anniversary ° ,- 4 ' death of the Princess CHARLOTTE; and this it find, which prevented her MAJESTY going to e re House of Lords yesterday. The followi; -1 g among the visitors at Brandenburgh. House terday:---Earls Thanet, Cowper, Lad)" 4 0 0, Foley, Mr. Peter Moore, Mr. 13arb e r BeLe ll %:it Mrs. Beaumont, Miss Beaumont, and G el " Noel.---(The Times.) Yesterday, the Guardians of the Earl v itt' nor., and the Trustees of his estat e s, (floc" hiS Royal Highness the Duke of CLAitc-Ncl i , 3 , - , e il house in the Stable-yard. His . Royal the Duke of YOnK was also present. - 4 :r was a dinner, en famille, we .believe; tory to the union of the Noble Earl I, te r Miss Er.rzk F ITZCLARENCE, third ( 13 " i ' l of his Royal Highness. Th e marriage w",. t ie s celebrated by banns, in consequence of the I ra l 3 o being under age ; and it is said, it will take l ) almost immediately.--(,llorning Herald.) Yesterday Prince and Princess E,.;TEltiL r oll entertained Count and . Countess Munster, "' ly e PFEFEL, Boron Just, Baron' ANtialm, a S e ` ii te titan Nobletnan,•and a select party of distilig u ed foreigners at Chandils liouse. 01 5 CORY-ExcHANGE, Nov. arrived this morning from thSuffolk coast, C s rr eA laden with Wheat and Barley, and 7 0 0 1 quantity of ate runner article rinaining os Te• h r a fir' Monday's supply caused sales to be ver,Tsoo: except for prime samples, which obtaineq . A t day's pticeS, but all other sorts were offer" ,d ; or , ' an abatement of 2s. per quartos, and e'en decline the quantity disposed of was very t Ole big ; Fine Barley supported its price, b i t ' ct io o ordinary qualities were dull sale,. at a teu Ll ar ter of 2s. per quarter ; Oats are ls. per e t ioW lower ; in Beans' and . Peas,there is no alto',4 . • ° illl On the Ist inst.. deeply lamented by his afflicted fa f ,' friends, Mr. James - Aspertw, Bookseller, of V) ° • aged 63. A ) 0 ' ntu - 1 ) 6 On the 2J inst., at his house in East-street, r square, in the 72d rear of his age, William Gat', Exchequer Office, Temple, CONDOM: Printed 3.11. CARSTAIRS, 'of go, 0 ;444 Ormond-street, Queen-square; and publish" hV Tos SCRIPPS, of No. South Holton-street, a t 01 .4° Office, No. 119— Strand ; when: Adretti:;;:eueist .) Letters, &c. (rust-paid) mast besiddrofir4s r. r ._____. '.... ~k~i ~~ J T' , C a % C 4 q v tp , st" tcf : tit :v; ;11)1 MOO T it PIN I <AI PI N to -1440 JNI 11. 4 ti lm . ' t 4