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lIPERIAL PARLIAMEIVII - --as gouskl OF etORDS--(YESTERDAY.) The Lonk QueeicELeoa took his seat on the wool ' . sack at five o'clock. told LYNDHURST begged to ask a question of the , noble lord on the woolsack with respect to certain mea sures of law reform. The noblelord at the latter end of last session stated his intention of introducing a bill to alter the law of divorce, and a Measure for the purpose of transferring from the Ecclesiastical Court to the Court of Chancery almost all jurisdiction relating to matri monial causes. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord had introduced a bill relating to this subject, beit it was subsequently withdrawn in consequence of some objection raised to it by a right rev, prelate. The noble lord had also introduced the Testamentary Jurisdiction Bill, which had passed after some discussion, but when introduced into the other house it was given up. In the present session the Lord Chancellor suggested that the Testamentary Jurisdiction Bill should originate in the other house of Parliament. Notwithstanding, Parliament bad met as early as February, the measure was not iutro duced until close upon the month of May. Several other law measures promised had likewise been postponed until they had arrived at a period of the session when it was impossible to pass them. This was a state of things which he thought demanded explanation. When he found - that such bills, introduced by his noble and learned - friend, as the Registration of Deeds Bill, ob i p a ssage through the House of C ommons teeted to in its the law ' officers, he was disposed to think th a t t h ere was not a cor dial co-operation between th e no bl e and ' l earn ed lord on the - woolsack and the law officers in the ~lr.otheiehouse. Not a single .Government bill for the pur pose of reforming the laws of, England had been carried this session. I p*, • • The LORD CHANCELLOR. observed that when it was consideredthat four.fifths of the session were occupied with questions relating to the war, he thought that that fact was a very good reason why these measures of law reform Alluded to- had not been introduced. He denied, then; that there was a want of co - opera ti on between himself 1 (' ‘ and the law officers in the other house. Hethought that his noble and learned friend (Lord Lyndhurst) was mis taken in supposing that the Testamentary Jurisdiction Bill was delayed this session so late: as May. He believed it 'was introduced in March. It was of course always big wish to consult the law officers of the Crown in respect to all those measures of law reform he deemed it necessary to introduce, and to frame them in such a way as would. meet with the gene , ie. rat concurrence. He pleaded not guilty to the charge ,; • of 'having infrodnced no measures of importance that session. He felt that he had introduced a great many important bills, which he hoped would become law in the eourse of the session. He could not help thinking that his noble and learned friend was induced to make those observations because it was his intention to quit the house for the remainder of the session. He was afraid they would have to sit for three or four weeks long er ; and if hi s no bl e an d learned friend had on l y waited until the end of the ses sion, he would be much better able to express an opinion as to the quantity and quality of business that had been done. After a few words from several noble lords, the subject dropped. SLAVERY AND THE SLAVE TRADE. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petit:on from the British and Foreign Anti-Slavery Society, which com plained of the encouragement given to the slave trade and slavery in general by various Governments in Ame rica, and by persons holding high offices under them. After referring to several instances, as Guiana, Cuba, and Carolina, the noble lord expressed a hope that the noble lore the Secretary of State for Foreign affairs would be able to give the house some hope that an ame lioration would be effected in this state of things. The Earl of CLARENDON said he had no doub t that the warning of the noble lord would be attended to •in Guiana. The present Captain-General of Cuba had determined to act on the principles laid down by his predecessor, and was desirous of doing everything in his power for the suppression of the traffic and a beneficial alteration in the present system. The Merchant Shipping Act Amendment Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed. The Bills of Lading (No. 2) Bill was also read a second time and ordered to be committed. The report of amendments on the Religious Worship Bill was brought up and received. The Bills of Exchange and Promissory Notes Bill was read a third time and missed. The report of amendments to the Burial Bill was re. dived. The Lady Raglan and Lord Raglan's Annuities Bill was !TM a third time and pa sed. The Crime and Outrage (Ireland) Continuance. Bill passed through Committee. The Turnpike Acts Continuance Bill was read a se cond time. The West Indies Relief Loans Arrangement Bill was lead a second time. .SCOTCH SCHOOLMASTERS —THE LATE DIVI SION IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS. The Duke of BUCIOLEUCH wished to know whether her Majesty's Government intended to bring in a con tinuance bill for the purpose of continuing for another year the present salaries of parish schoolmasters in Scot land. Without such a bill those salaries must fall to a very low point indeed. The Duke of ARGYLL said the Government did not think it worth while to go on yenr after year passing continuance hills. Tile question must soon be bronght , to seci6 final settlement. The exiting salaries ~would cOntinue,till Martinmas, and before the following term there would be a me e ti ng of Parliament, when the mat ter could he dealt,with. With reference to the recent ' division in thek lordships' house on the Scotch Educa tion Bill, it would be a riiatter of great regret if an idea got abroad that the , matter had been treated by their rordships with any levity or want of consideration. It must.be distinctly understoOd that no division was taken upon the bill. Government proposed that the bill should be withdrawn, that proposal - was Opposed, and the divi sion was taken upon the queition that the word "now" stand part of the bill. The Earl of DERBY remarked tbat the refusal to intro. duce another continuance bill looked as if it was in tended to make use of the destitution' of the Scotch schoolmasters as a screw 'to force upon Parliament the adoption of the peculiar measures which the Govern thent advocated. It was quite clear that the late divi sion did not accurately represent the views of their lord ships' house WiCE - regard to the merits of the bill. The truth was that the Government being aware that only a very sthill minority would be in favour of the bill were anxious that the numerical strength of the parties shoukl not be known. They, therefore, wished to withdraw the measure, but when - forced into a division by. the Oppo sition, who wished to show the peop:e of Scotland by how large,'a majority- in the House of Lords was pre, pared to reject any measure as that proposed by the Go vernment, they took the somewhat unusual course of voting against the measure, instead of merely refraining from voting. The majority against the bill was greater, therefore, in appearance than it was in reality. Earl GRANVILLE said there was no doubt that the Government were aware there was a majority against the bill, but it was hardly fair to state that as the sole reason by Which they were influenced in the course' they took. They were also influenced by the strong appeal made by the noble and learned lord (Lord Brougham) and other friends of education for the withdrawal of the bill for the present. After some remarks by the Earl of HADDINGTON and Lord POLWARTII, the matter dropped, and their lordships adjourned at eight o'clock. the Government to refer weights and measures to the . commission ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that it was-not. BILLETTING OF THE MILITIA. Mr. WELLS asked the Under Secretary for War whether, in consequence of the permanent embodying of the militia, it was the intention of her Majesty's Go vernment to make any alteration in the present system of billetting ? Mr. F. PEEL said it was not the intention of the Government to introduce any measure into the house ; but he might state that the embodiment of the militia had led to the formation of encampments, which had obviously practically remedied the question raised to a great extent. (Hear, hear.) INVALID OFFICERS—COMMISSIONS. Captain J. PERCY begged to ask the Secretary for War whether an officer in bad health was required, before he got leave to sell his commission, to go before a Medical Board, which Board must certify, before he is allowed to sell, to the following effect :—" That he does not labour under an impaired constitution, threatening earlier decease than a person of his age might expect in the ordinary course of nature." Mr. F. PEEL said the mode in which application was made by an officer for leave to sell his commission greatly depended on the particular circumstances of each case, and it was therefore impossible to answer a general question like the one just put to him. He was not, however, aware that a formula of this kind was required. Generally speaking an officer was not allowed to dispose of his commission when his health was not such as to give rise to a fear that his life could not be prolonged. IMPROVEMENT IN THE PUBLIC PARKS. Mr. EWART wished to inquire of the Chief Commis sioner of Public Works whether it would not be possi ble (if not now, at some future time), to throw open to the public, as a portion of the park, the ground now inclosed for private use, and inclosing a considerable space of ground in the centre of Hyde-park, between the Guard -house and the Humane Society's Receiving-house near the Serpentine ; also, whether the Government were willing to submit to-the gracious consideration of her Majesty the expediency of opening to the public the large park behind Hampton Court Palace, known as the Home Park, and now devoted exclusively to :the use of the residents in the palace ; also, whether the Fountain of Diana in Bushy Park, founded by William the Third; was in process of restoration, as promised by ,the Government ; and whether, as agreed last year, a large additional number of seats were to be placed round all the larger .trees in Kensington-gardens and Hyde park for the convenience of the public ? Sir W. MOLESWORTH, in reply to the first question, said that a portion of the park now enclosed was used as a wood garden, and could not be dispensed with ; the remainder being in the occupation of the Deputy-ranger. This could not be taken from that functionary at pre sent ; but when he ceased to hold office he (Sir W. Molesworth) apprehended there would be no difficulty in transferring that portion to the public use. (Hear, hear.) As to the second portion, it was not correct that the Home-park was exclusively used by the resi dents in Hampton Court Palace; the fact being that the re spectable residents in the neighbourhood were permitted to use it. There was, however, no intention on the part of the Government to recommend its being further thrown open. With respect to the Diana fountain it was in process of restoration, and he was informed would soon be completed. Lastly, a considerable sum of money had been expended in the purchase of seats for Kensington gardens ; and a number of seats, capable of accommo dating 400 persons, had lately been erected. NATIONAL GALLERIES AND MUSEUMS. Mr. EWART asked the First Lord of the Treasury whether the Government was willing to cause to be affixed to the works of art (paintings, statues, monu ments), and specimens in our different national collec tions—the National Gallery, Hampton Court Palace, the British Museum, and similar public institutions— short descriptive tablets or inscriptions, giving the subs ject of the work, the name and date of the artist, the school to which he belongs, and such other brief histori cal or scientific information as may be instructive to the public ? Lord PALMERSTON said he was much obliged to his hon. friend for the suggestion, which was One well worthy of consideration, and as it might be complied with at no very great public expense would no doubt be carried out. (Hear, hear.) THE DANUBIAN PRINCIPALITIES. In reply to Mr. LAYARD, Lord PALMERSTON said it was obviously very in convenient that the Government should be asked to state what precise conditions they should require in future negotiations. The detailed arrangements in re gard to the first and second points were settled condi tionally ; the condition being that the whole treaty should be , satisfactorily arranged. That not being the case, the Government held themselves free to re-discuss any of the matters that were provisionally 'agreed to with respect to the Principali ties. What he understood as the fundamental principle of the first point was that Russia should not exercise that exclusive protection of the Principalities which she had hitherto done. With regarl to the commission to which the honourable member had referred, there was no commission sitting at Vienna for the purpose of discussing a Government for the Principalities. There was, however, a commission of a different kind sitting, consisting of English, Austrian, and Turkish represen tatives, who were empowered to receive representations coming from the inhabitants of the Principalities as to any grievances or complaints in respect to the occupying troops. He understood his noble friend (Lord Claren don) bad received representations from some gentleman who were not residents in the Principalities, and con sequently could not be held as authorities. (Hear.) VICE -ADMIRAL SIR CHARLES NAPIER AND THE ORDER Or THE BATH. Mr. LAYARD wished to ask the noble lord at the head of the GovernMent why Sir Charles Napier bad been excluded from the honour of the Order of the Bath which had been conferred upon so many others ? Lord PALMERSTON replied that the exclusion, as the hoe, gentleman termed. it, had calmed great regret to the Government, but that exclusion was self-imposed by the gallant officer. Sir e. Napier was informed that his name had been represented to her Majesty for the honour of the Grand Cross of the Bath ; but for reasons of which the gallant officer must himself be the best judge he had declined to receive the honour. THE VIENNA CONFERENCE. In answer to a question from Mr. DISRAELI, Lord PALMERSTON stated that he should object to give to the house a copy of the whole instructions that had been given to the noble lord the member, for the City of London before he proceeded to Vienna. He had no, objection, however, to give to the house those parts of the instructions which would have the effect of filling up the hiatus in the papers that were now before the house. NUISANCES REMOVAL (IRELAND) BILL. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL for IRELAND, in answer to a question from an hon. member, stated that it was his intention to proceed with the bill in the pre sent session, if it was not opposed, but if there was to be considerable opposition to the measure he should feel himself bound to postpone proceeding with the mea sure to next session. On the question, that the house at its rising should adjourn to Monday next, RETIRED OFFICERS. Colonel NORTH asked the Under -Secretary fcr War whether those officers who wished to take advantage of the Queen's late warrant for the retirement of officers upon full pay, and obtaining a step in rank, would be permitted to retain the reward for distinguished service which her Majesty had been graciously pleased to grant to them ? Mr. PEEL said that that would certainly be the case, and that officers who had done distinguished service would be allowed to retire, and continue on full pay as long as they lived. After some observations from Sir DE LACY EVANS, the subject dropped. Mr. BRIGHT, referring to a transaction that had recently taken place on the coast of Africa, stated that some doubt had arisen with regard to certain slaves taken on board canoes by the authority of the British Crown, There was some question raised about compen sation, to the extent of about $1,000; the chief was given half an hour to make his appearance, but as he did not do so the town was shelled and partly destroyed that day, and on the following day another engagement took place, in wbieh 70 or -80 t roops were killed or wounded, ,and out 400 of the enemy, as they were called. The question turned upon the violation of a treaty which he believed was not yet in force,,as it had not received the sanction of Parliament. He wished to know - whether the Government had received any information upon the subject, and whether they intended to institute a special inquiry into the case ? Sir C. WOOD said that no despatches had been re ceived at the Admiralty on the subject, and he had no reason to place any confidence in the report. The'iuotion that the hOuse On its rising should ad journ till Monday was then agreed to. METROPOLIS LOCAL MANAGEMENT BILL, Oa the motion for the third reading of this bill, Viscount EBRINGTON presented a petition from Clap ham against the qualification clause, and said he protested against being considered an opponent to local self-govern ment, or that he wished to throw obstacles in the way of the bill. The fact that the provisions of the measure were agreed to when generally there were not more than thirty or forty members present was the best proof that there was no decided hostility to the bill, which had been very much improved during its progress through the house. Having made these observations, he was willing that the bill be read a third time. Sir IL WILLOUGHBY doubted whether the right hon. gentleman had chosen the best machinery for carrying out his measure. He feared that the boards would be found too numerous, and that the owners of property, as distinguished from the ratepayers, were - not sufficiently considered. He also thought that what was good for the metropolis would be. good for all the towns and districts in theljuitedKingderr. (Hear, hcar:) (Sir IL Willoughby) begged to call the at tention of the right hon. gentleman to the fact that the Metropolitan poard, to whom there was to be an appeal in cases where compensation was sought for by persons who now held offices, had the power to refuse all compensation whatever. Lord SEYMOUg..said it was agreed in the committee that a clause should be introduced limiting the time after which no s9werage-,wonhl be allowed to go into the river Thames. • Sir g, HALL said that what he understood with refe rence to this was—that there should be an appeal to the Metropolitan I3oard of. Works; but before the appeal was brought the board should be consulted, and then the ap pellant might go before the board to have his case' heard. What be (Sir 13. Rall) objected to was that any reference should be made to the Treasury, because he thought this was a case in which the Government should not interfere in the slightest degree. In answer to the question of the nobb brd, - ha begged to elate ths.t a time had been fixed HOUSE OF COMMONS-(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER tool: the chair at four o'clock. The Lords' amendments to the following bills were considered and agreed to :—Dearness Valley Railway ; Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway ( tin pr3vements and Branches); South Staffordshire Railway. Wyndham's Divorce Bill was read a second time. ASSIZES AND SESSIONS BILL. In reply to Mr. DEEDES, Sir G. GREY said he thought it would not be de-iir al/le to proceed with the above bill this session, and he moved, therefore, that the order for proceeding with the hill should be discharged, and that it should be re-i:ltro du;cd next session. SCOTCH EDUCATION BILL. In reply. to Mr& E. LOCIKHAIIT; The LORD ADVOCATE said it was not his inteutibn t o b K i ng ,i n any other:bill this session on the subject of E lunation in. Scotland,. the bill which he had introdur.)ed having, been thrown out by the Lords yesterday even- ing. THE HAMPTON COURT PALACE PICTURES. Mr. Cr. LANGTON asked the Chief Commissioner of Public Works whether he was aware that one . of the pictures at llampton Court Palace had been recently missed fiom that collection, and that several others Lad been very seriously damaged ; and, if so, what steps had been taken to recover the missing picture and to pro tect the gallery from further injury ? Sir W 7 MOLESWORTH said his attention had been called to the fact of mischief having been done to the pictures at Hampton Court, and that he had directed rewards to be offered for the detection of offenders in uture. (Hear, hear.) THE "ANDERSON" CLAIMS. Mr. MAGUIR.E asked the First Lord of the Trea sury whether the claims of the late Mr. John Ander son of Fermoy, whose services to the State had been the subject of frequent recognition by members of sue eessi Ve Administratio n s, ar.; well as by the general public, had been brought before him by his son and representa tive Sir James Anderson, and whether these claims had been taken . into consideration ? Lord FA LAfERTON said he had within the laa.lew days received an application from Sir J. Anderson on the subject. The claims in questio n h ad been. under -the consideration of previous Admini s trations, , ,but, as was unacquainted ittith their nature, h e could not then say what it would be deemed desirable to do with respect to them. • notice that ho should bring Mr. MAGITTRF, ga ve forward those olaiios early tit session. • ECIMAL COINAGE. , The CHANCELLOR f the EXCHEQUER said tee inquire had determined _to .appina conimiSsion to inquire into the subject, and had detect the tribunal it , ould be a competent one. The committee would consist of three persons ; one would be the Comp troller of the Exchequer, the other Mr..Thibbard, but there was s ome diffi culty at present .about the third, as the gentle Man whom the Government had - thought it desirable to appoint had some difficulty in acting irnme- , diately. Lord NAAS mmire whether it was the intention of THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY _EVENING, .JULY 21 185 after which no drainage should go into the river Thames, manta to make arrangements with the Turkish Govern- aud that time was five years'after next December. (Hear.) meat, to which we anticipate noobstacleatConstantinople, The bill was then read a third time. - -to provide that arrangements shall be made which shall -- M 1 H. BARING brought up a clause for the purpose secure that the money so raised by loan for military ser of excluding the chairman of the Metropolitan Board from vice in Turkey shall be applied to that military service, so a seat in the House of Commons. , that while engagements are entered into on the one hand ' Lord R. GROSVENOR objected to the exclusion of an to enable Turkey to raise money, that on the other hand individual from the house, who might be able to throw the Governments of England and France shall have the light upon difficult subjects, and hoped his hon. friend certainty that the money shall be applied to the objects for would not persist in urging the adoption of the clause. which it was raised. Now, considering the great import- Mr. WILLIAMS thought it would be of great impor. ance of the struggle in which we are engaged, and the ab tance to have the chairman of the board in the house, solute necessity of furnishing the Turkish Government in Viscount EBRINGTON considered that the presence of same way or other with the means of playing her part in the chairman in the house would lead to inconvenience by this great struggle, and considering also the results that a great deal of time being taken up in asking him ques- must ensue if th e T ur ki s h army were to fall to piecesfor want tions. of the ordinary means of keeping it together in a state of Mr. PERCY said that when they took into considers,- efficiency, I cannot persuade myself that the house will not tion the various duties the chairman of the board would be disposed to concur with her Majesty in the engagement have to perform, it must be apparent that he could not which this convention records, but will, by passing this have time to attend to his duties as a member of that house. resolution in the first place, and then the bill that will be Sir B. HALL sincerely hoped that the house would not founded upon it, afford her Majesty the means of making agree to the proposition that had been made by hi s b on , good the enga gemen t cont i ngently contracted on the under friend. standing that this house will assist her in making good t hat Mr. HENLEY saw no reason for excluding the chair- sum. I believe that the feeling which is universal in this man of the board when the Lord Mayor of London was house and in the country, that every effort should be made allowed to have a seat in the house. for carrying on the war with the vigour that must lead to Mr. BARING, seeing the feeling of the house was success, will induce honourable gentlemen to consider this against him, begged to withdraw his clause, as one of the most indispensable measures for the attainment On the motion of Sir B. HALL four new clauses were of that object, and that therefore I shall obtain the sane adopted and added to the bill in the following order ; the tion of the house to the resolution I have now, sir, placed first was introdiced after clause 88, the second after clause in your hands. 128, the third after clause 230, and the fourth after clause Mr. RICARDO sa id th a t w h en h e recollected we were 235. e • by this loan ent er i ng i n t o th e o ld system of subsidies which A motion of Viscount Enneerarollfor the omission of now weighed so heavilyon the nation, and when he saw by a clause 6 was opposed by Sir B. HALL, and negatived. return obtained by the late Mr. Hume that the amount of Viscount EBRINGTON proposed an alteration in clause subsidies granted during the late war, in the twenty years 7, for the pu r p ose o f removing a ground of objection previous to 1816, was no l ess th an 5 8 millions, he must vote respecting which he had received communications from against the proposition of the noblegord, unless he was shown several persons of property. It was proposed by the some immediate and imperative reason for having recourse clause that the existing vestry, elected for a totally to this system. It was a singular instance of the proof of different purpose, and under a perfectly different system the way in which this system worked that no less a sum than of voting, should continue for two years practi- nine millions and a half of the subsidies granted during the tally to have the management of the affairs of the late war were given to Russia. It was clear that if that parishes in their bands. Some of the wealthiest districts subsidy had not been given her powers of aggression must were at present totally unrepresented, and yet it was pro- now have been materially less. When we granted the posed to put the repairs of hundreds of miles of streets, and Greek loan we took a different course. That loan of two the drainage of whole districts, under the control of this millions and a half was given to the king we had appointed. body. In conclusion he moved the omission of certain There were then three guaranteeing powers. Did we give words from the clause, and the insertion of o th ers to get a joint guaran t ee? No; each power guaranteed its own rid of the objectionable part of it. portion, and therefore on the failure of the Greek Govern- Sir B. HALL said the effect of the noble lord's amend- ment to pay the interest, we had only to pay our own share meat would be to require the four parishes of the metro- of the loss ; nor had we had any quarrels on that account polis under the operation of Hobhouse's Act should go again with any other of the guaranteeing powers. But might that to an election of vestrymen immediately after theepassing bp the case on the system of a joint guarantee? Suppose of the act, though the vestrymen elected in May last were that a change should take place in the Government of chosen under the understanding that they would have to France, and that the new Government should refuse to pay carry into effect the provisions of a similar bill. He had their share of the interest of the loan, not only . might we reason to believe, from the constant communication he had be obliged to pay the whole interest, but we might be in had with the inhabitants of these parishes that objections volved in endless quarrels and difficulties with France. He to the clause were entertained only in individual cases, and did not wonder that France wished for a joint guarantee, that they were framed in accordance with the sentiments because in that case it was c l ear t h at the English credit generally prevailing. .became that on which; the whole loan was granted. When Mr. W. WILLIAMS said the noble lord had taken up a mercantile man saw two names on the back of a bill of ground on this bill totally at variance with the opinions exchange, he did not care for the second name if he sa er the and feelings of his constituents. first was a good one. It was the highest credit that ruled After some further conversation the amendment was the market. Th e grea t quest i on, however, for them to con negatived. sider was whether this guarantee wax absolutely necessary. A number of verbal amendments were made in different He believed the House of Commons was quite ready to clauses, and the bill passed. grant the Chancellor of the Exchequer all the means neces- TURKISH LOAN, sary for carrying o n th e war, b ut he thought they ought to be pause fore the y undertook to pay the expenses of another The house then w en t i n t o comm i ttee of the whole house; nation as well as ourselves. They a ought to have the cleare s t 1 Mr. Fitzroy in the chair. proof of the necessity of the case. It was true that the noble Viscount PALMERSTON rose to move the following re- lord assured the house that there was not the slightest risk solution :—"That it is the opinion of this committee, that of our being called up on t o pay a s i xpence of this interest, her Majesty b e au th or i se d to guarantee the payment of the because the whole revenue of Turkey was pledged to us interest on the loan of five millions sterling, to be contracted as a security. Well the noble lord gave precisely the same for by his Imperial Majesty the Sultan, in pursuance of the assurance in 1832, when the Greek loan was in course of Convention signed at London on the 27th day of June, 1855, negotiation. But did. Greece eow pay the interest of that between her Majesty, his Majesty the Emperor of theFrencb, loan? It was clear that it Turkey could pay us the into and his Imperial Majesty the Sultan, and that provision be rest of the loan out of her resources there was no reason made out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom, why she should not pay the public their interest on the or the growing produce thereof for the is sue o f suc h sums l oan w ith out guarantee, and why they should not trust her of money f rom ti me t o t i me as may be required to pay any on this security. Indeed Turkeyhad actually raised money interest which may at any time be required to fulfil the at a high price. The last loan now stood at 9i in the mar. guarantee of her Majesty in respect of such interest, con- ket, and he had been told by a gentleman that he had of formably to the tenour of her Majesty's engagement, as spe- fared to take the remaining 22 millions of the last loan at cified in the said Convention, together with the attending 85, and that he knew a French banking-house who were charges of management thereon." The noble viscount ready to advance it at 86. That showed that she could 1 said—The convention on which this resolution is founded raise money herself. He granted it would be at a high rate was entered into by the two allied Governments with Tar- of interest. But he did not see why we should step forward key in accordance with and in fulfilment of those common at the beginning of the struggle to assist Turkey iu her first views which have actuated the two Governments and the difficulties. He believed we bad had, up to the present mo people of the two countries with respect to the war in meat, an outlayexceedingin extravagance the late war. The which we are now engaged. That war was undertaken for House of Commons had absolutelyplacedno check on expen the defence , present and futur e , o f T ur k ey, and it was the diture; medal who wished to secure th e l east prudence in the opinion of all those who have concurred' in the justice and management of the finances had been accused of starving policy of the war that it ought to be prosecuted with all the the war. Now, he certainly thought that these matters vigour and energy which the resources of the several p ar ti es should be more closely looked to. Why, the other night admit of being employed. No doubt great efforts have been the Minister of War told the House of Lords that be was made, and will coutinue to be made, by the Governments about to double the pay of the army in the Crimea, and of England and France, and for that purpose large armies that without the least communication with that house. have been sent, and great fleets have been fitted out, Then, a ga i n , the Chancellor of the Exchequer told the and stationed in the two seas, the Euxine and the house in the most careless manner, and only in answer to Baltic. But it is manifest that the exertions of a casual question, that he had exceeded the estimates for the two countries could not be attended with those the year, and should present supplemental estimates. And results which we are entitled to aim at, and which ar e with r es p ec t t o thi s 1 ( an , th e fi rst t h ey k new of it was that essential to the accompli s h men t of the objects for which a communication had been laid before the French Charn the war is undertaken, unless the ' efforts of those bare stating that we were to guarantee half of this Turkish two countries, comparatively distant as they are, can be subsidy. That was not the way in w hi c h th ey oug h t to be efficiently second e d b y the efforts of the country itself treatee. He should certainly divide the house against the most nearly and deeply interested in the, contest. Every- resolution. (Hear.) body is aware of what I may call the noble struggle which The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER defended Turkey has made in this war, the great and successful the guarantee, and said that, though it was a joint one of efforts of her army during the greater part of a twelve• the two Governments over the whole loan, yet France and month in defendi ng th e nor th ern frontier of her territory. England had entered into an agreement between them- The success and magnitude of those efforts exceeded, I be- selves by which, in case . of their being called on, 'each lieve, the expectation of almost all those persons who had would be responsible for her own share of the debt. turned their attention before to the resources of Turkey, Mr. GLADSTONE said this measure opened a ques- There were few persons who believed that there was tion which the people of England had ever regarded with amongst the Turkish nation that feeling of enthusiastic mistrust, suspicion, and jealousy. He did not dispute the devotion to the cause of their country which had been ex- principle that we might in case of necessity lend direct hibited by the Turks in this war, or that there was in the pecuniary aid to our ally ; but then that necessity must Turkish army that power of combination and resistance be clearly shown, and he did not think that had been done which was manifested by the army under the command of in the present case, He did not see much .difference be- Omer Pasha on the Danube. There were few persons who tween a subsidy and a guarantee ;he objected to guaran -believed that the Turkish empire had financially or mat e - tees as much as to subsidies, and if he objected to guaran rially those ample resources for war whibh had been re. tees in general, he objected moat strongly to the present quired and furnished hithertoin;thecourse of the contest. It guarantee, which was joint and several between France and had been foretold that her resources must inevitably prove England. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said there was a deficient in the ability to sustain a protracted contest, and private arrangement between France and England, by especially that 'her finances might fail to supply the de- which each took its own share of responsibility. But mand of the troops upon them. They, howev er , h ave ma d e - that did not appear on th e f ace o f th e t rea t y, and he fore- B have ut i btei is n no supplied disparagement t h o e t heT u great exertions hitherto and to a great extent, the troops saw endless political difficulties in connecti on w ith ordinary rkish re e v m en p u it e e s t o o f s T a u y r t k ht e a y. it. Suppose the war were over, th at the interest was not paid by Turkey, that France was of opinion Tur her ordinaryresonrces are not equal to the great and impel.- key could pay and England was of opinion she could not, tent struggle in which she is engaged, because that happens who was to settle the difference ? He showed the difference in all countries engaged in war. It happens here, it happens between this guarantee and the direct and open loan made in France, and, from the information we receive, we believ e by this country to Sardinia, and while he admitted that that in Russia the difference between the ordinary revenue the house had nothing to do with making treaties, they had and the war expenditure is greater than even in England to do with ratifying them; and he fur one could not agree and France. We have been informed, and I believe on good to ratify this loan, founded as it was on th e principles of authority, th a t w h ereas the ordinary revenue of R uss i a which M r . Pitt an d th e men of his generation would have amortuts to about 30,000,000/, ster li ng, that the expenses of been ashamed. the war have certainly equalled, if they have not surpassed, Lord PALHERSSION said the only difference between double that amount. The ordinary revenues of Turkey Mr. Gladstone and himself, so far as he could perceive, was amount to about ten millions sterling. In the course of the whether there should be a guarantee or a loan, or last year th e y were o bli ged to resort to a loan to increase even a subsidy. As to the political difficulties direct which the ' their available means. A loan was negotiated, nominally right hon. gentleman apprehended from our jointguarantee intended to be five millions, but of which I believe be- with France, he stated that political dif f iculties had risen tween two and three millions have been realised--a sum out of the separately guaranteed loan to Greece, 'for the not sufficient for the wants of the Turkish Government. other guaranteeing parties had protested against England And they have put it to the English and French Govern- taking steps to recover her share from Greece. meats that unless additional means are found to defray the Mr. DISRAELI—Without doubt, sir, this is one of the expenses of the current military and naval services of Tar- most important questions which has occupied the attention key they would come to a stand, and that it would be im- of Parliament this session, and the circum s t ances o f t hi s possible for T ur k ey ou t o f h er ordinary revenue to find the loan are such that the public mind ought t o b e di rected to means to defr a y th e necessary and indispensable expenses it. lam not prepared to say that the lean which has been of the war. The subject has been long and seriously con- already maduto Sardinia was impolitic, and the arrange sidered by the English and French Governments. We riients made with regard to it were perhaps as unobjection felt 'that, while making great exertions in favour of' able as arrangements of the kind could be; but I must say Turkey, if we allowed the very body we wished to sup- that it was a subject which deserved greater consideration port to fall to pieces for want of internal resources, we from the house than it received. We have now a much should be defeating the object we - bad * in view, and ren- larger proposition, in a form very different, and in a shape Bering fruitless all the great efforts we w ere ma ki ng i n which ought to make the committee pause before it agrees their support ; that, unless the Turkish Government were to it. The noble lord at the head ofGovernmentat en but a oan, army, it would be in vain for England and France to send Lord P ALMERSTON—A loan to b 3 raised by Turkey. an army to defend their territory. Then came the Mr. DISRAELI—Ye s. , and the nobl e l or d recommends question. H ow was th a t a ddi t i onal supply to be given s it to the committee, on the ground that the immediate bur. There were two different ways in which that assistance den cannot be felt by the country; but I can make no dif might be afforded. The two Governments might have had ference in a country like England etween national credit recourse to that sy s t em w hi c h t hi s country resorted to in and national capital. (Hear hear.) b If England guaran t ees the last war , b y f urn i s hi ng a subsidy to the power whom a loan, I cannot admit that' we can consider it a liability we intended to assist. That, of course, was not considered which we may not be called upon to discharge. (Hear.) expedient either by the French Government or by the If the security offered by Turkey of the least English. Ther e The re are many o bj ections to that course, both in tionable nature, I should say that we were sh bj ould regard our regard to the party who is to furnish the subsidy and to liability in the same light; and if the security to be given the real interests of the party to whom that subsidy V, as to by Turkey be really of the nature described by the noble be granted. If you wish that a power should have real vita- lord, Ido not think she would be an unsuccessful applicant lily, you must teach that power to rely as far as possible i lo n a t n h s e o m f tahriksestowrth.erße n u a t ti l on c s o a n r f e es i g n t l he lo h o a k bi w t of on its own resources, and if temporary a ss i s t ance i s to be required it should be given as much as possible ou the some incredulity on the resources of Turkey, and upon her means and responsibility of the party who is to receive that means of discharging this liability. The noble lord says extraordinary aid. We therefore thought it expedient to that he has no daub' that Turkey will fulfil her engage give a subsidy to Turkey. We thought the best way in mont if the loan bo guaranteed by England and France. which we could aid Tu r k e y was t o g i ve her the assistance The noble lord touched upon the resources of Turkey with of the credit of France an d En g la nd b yguaranteeing a loan, 'that rich colo ur w hi c h we see given in the announcements the interest and sinki ng f un d o f w hi c h s h ould be paid out of of joint-stock c ompan i es. (L aughter.) He spoke of her the revenue of Turkey herself. Then came the question mines, and of her other resources, and he expres se d whether, taking the amount w hi c h th e T ur ki sh Govern- hi s opinion that there was no doubt whatever but that meat thought it desirable t o ra i se a t fi ve m il lions, the two Turkey would b e a bl e t o pay the interest, arid also Governments should each guarantee half that suns, or the instalments towards the sinking fund. But what, , whether the two Governments should jointly guarantee let me ask, were the anticipations of the noble lord with 1 the whole amount, taking an engagement as between regard to the Greek loan in 1832 ? When he recommended themselves practically to take their share half and half of a similar case to the consideration and the sanction of Par the liability, supposing that to arise. 'Undoubtedly the liament with reference to that loan in August, 1832, he former method is that which the British Government first said that the three Powers had uaranteed a loan of thought of, and p er h aps it i s th at most in accordance with 60,000,000 of florins, and that for his own part he had no the habits and views of this country, and more in confor- doubt that, when Greece was settled, it would make a mity with the precedent of former cases of the same kind. spring in commerce and agriculture which would not only But the French Government laid great stress on itspreference enable her to pay the interest on the loan, but to dispense of the latter method—namely, that which has been adopted; with the necessity of raising the third portion, and perhaps and we thought, under the circumstances of the case, and the 'secand. The noble lord has given to-night an equally considering the right of France to have an opinion on the sanguine opinion with regard to the resources of Turkey; matter, that as the arrangement would come to the Lame but I find, on looking at our finance accounts for the year result in the one case as i n th e other, we were bound so ended the sth of January, 1855, the following entry : far to defer to the wish of the French Government as 'to "To 'payment of interest and sinking fund, Greek adopt the syatem of a joint guarantee. The qaestion is— What Loan, 47,6371. is, 4d." is the probability that Turkey, out of her own 'resources, I fear that, in the samemanner, we must be prepared to see will be able to pay in future the amount whi c h will become in our-financial accounts of future years a portion of the due as interest on the loan and on account of the sinking public treasure, raisedfrom the taxes of the people, charged fund ? And I think there is every reasonable expectation to the liquidation of the interest and sinking fund of the that Turkey will have ample means to make good that en- Turkis loan. (Hear.) Ido not say that it is not to the gagement, without throwing any real and practical burthen interest of England that this loan should be raised, but I on the finances of her two allies. The resources of Turks y contend that we should have a clear idea of the full extent are infinitely greater than have been yet developed. She of the eneagements and liabilities we are about to incur. has resources of commerce which are annually increasing, (Hear.) I therefore look upon this proposition of the noble and under happier circumstances, no doubt, will be very lord to guarantee the principal and interest of the loan as materially and extensively developed. The Turkish terri- an engagement which we must be prepared to fulfil. tories contain mines of every kind—mines of metal and Lord PALMERSTON—We are not to guarantee the coal that only require to be worked to produce ample re- priucipal. sources to the Government o f that country, and it is to be Mr.DISRAELI— -Well, I look upon it as an engagement, hoped that other improvements will take place that will as far as it goes, which we must not only be prepared to tend to develope the 'natural resources of the country. Un- fulfil, but which' we will have to fulfil. I object to arrange fortunately it has been the in Turkey that, whenever ments of this kind as matters of policy. (Hear, hear.) I its Government wished to make any material improvement say that you are bound to prove the necessity of the pod in the internal arrangements calculated to give additional you recommend, and we have not before us any circutn strength to the institutions of the country, or add to its stance to show that it is necessary for us to enter into en resources financial or defentive, that the influence of ltus- gagements of this nature. The noble lord opposite says Blau agency has interposed,*and, by means which were al- that Turkey has been called upon to make great exertions, ways at her com ma nd, have either totally paralysed the in- but that she has not the means at this moment to enable tended action, or so crippled it as to prevent its producing her to do so. But we have no infornaation before us to as the result which might otherwise have been expected. It sure us of that fact, and I think we are entitled to have is to be hoped th a t these influences will hereafter have less some definite'details submitted to us before we enter upon power than they have heretofore exeicised, and therefore the arrangement which the Government has invited us to we hope that the engagements we ask the house to ratify make. (Hear.) "And I would ask, if we admit this system will afford the T ur ki s h G o ve rnmen t the means of co-ope- of guaranteeing loans, where is the line to be draw n ? for rating with the allies and of carrying on effectually the on the noble lord's plea on behalf of Turkey Ido not see contest in which w e are engaged, arid th a t, on th e other I why this'loan should not be for /0,000,000/. We have no hand, there i s no goo d rea son to fear that in the end that data given to us as to the application of this money, or the engag emen t w ill b e p ro d uc tive of any financial burthen to 1 mode of its expenditure ; and I think the committee ought this country. The-immediate security given is the avail- ,to ause and ider whet her they are not ent er i ng u p on able surpl us o f th e tri b ute from E gypt. That, after provid- , a system which cons may begin this session, but the resu lt o f ing for the inter es t an d the sinking fund on account of the which may be indefinite, and which rreay gradually increase loan of last year, will a m oun t to 65,0001. a-year, for the pay- the liabilities of this countryand aggrava tethe burdens which mentof interest and the crea ti on of a sinking fund for this we ourselves are obliged to bear. If it, is to the interest of loan Beyond that you h ave assecuritythe entire revenue of England to maintain the power of Teurkey, it .will be well the Turkish =Tire, and arrangements will be inadetosecure for.the committee to inouire whether it aeould not he wiser certain parts of that re venue , an d to provide the means, for us to incur this expenditure, under our own conrol from time to time, of meeting the interest and the demands than commence a system which, whether it . of the sinking fund. It is the interest of the two Govern- sidy, is an advance 41)f the public treasure,- .-u all reasure,- - •,, a - ' in r be loan or sub , probability will not be repaid, and which will increase the national liabilities of England. The noble lord has des cribed the system as one which is the most useful to Tur key, while it is the least burdensome to England ; but I object to it because I think it is founded upon an erroneous principle. I object to it because there is something so cap tivating in the expreesion that the attention of the corn mitten is directed from the real question at issue, namely— whether n e should increase our liabilities in order to assist Turkey. I deny that the system proposed is the least burdensome to England: (Hear, hear.) It is no less burdensome than any other means by which England can raise money, and it is no more burdensome : It must not, therefore, be said that the Government has got a mode of benefitting Turkey which is less disadvantageous to England, for she incurs precisely the same liability. The committee has to consider that the only question before it is, whether we are to advance capital for the benefit of Turkey? The noble lord says that there is an objection to the form of the guarantee. The proposition before us is, that we should give a joint and several gnat an tee with France for the entire i terest upon 5,000,0001. In this respect the convention differs from that made in 1832 for the Greek loan; but, if I m i s t a k e not, the first proposition made for th e Greek loan in that year was made in the form now recommended by the noble lord. It was wisely refused by the noble lord who was then Secretary of State, and two years afterwards circumstances arose which would have rendered a joint guarantee in the high est degree etnbarassing to this country. The noble lord has very wisely decided that the guarantee should be a joint one, and now he says the form of that guarantee is , preferable to that of 1832. It certainly appears, at the first blush, that a separate guarantee is the most simple and the least liable to give rise to international difficulties, and yet what occurred in the year 1836, when the noble lord was obliged to come down to the house to ask for fresh powers to enable England to fulfil her engagements? (Hear ) In 18 s 6 the noble lord the Prime Minister moved for leave to bring in a bill to amend the 2d and 3d Wm. IV., which was known as the Greek loan. The noble lord was obliged on that occasion to come down and introduce a bill to en able him to fulfil engagements which the country had en tered into in 1839, and yet it was not in reference to a joint guarantee, but only to a separate guarantee. I find, on 28th of July in the same year, the noble lord moved for a committee on the Greek loan, and made a statement showing the existence of a difference between France and England on the one hand, and Russia on the other, with respect to the advances. The committee will, therefore, see that even on the Greek loan—even with only a Sepa rate guarantee—the noble lord was obliged to come down and introducea new bill to enable him to fulfil engagements subject to comparatively slight restrictions in comparison with those he now proposes to encounter. What would have been the situation of the noble lord, under these circumstances, if he had been engaged with a joint guarantee, supposing France and Russia had re fused to carry out their share of the guarantee. and had not paid the interest on the loan ? Why, the noble lord would have been obliged to pay th e i nterest on t h e whole loan. The n o bl e lord must pardon me if I look upon the proposition he kas now made, of England entering into a joint guarantee, not only with suspicion, but with great alarm. If we found a separate guarantee liable to such misinterpretation, and tending to such .complications and difficulties that we required all the ability and energy of the noble lord to arrange them at that time, what may now be the possible consequences of our entering at this mo ment into a joint guarantee with our idly ? tis because I estimate that alliance as high as the noble lord or any man in the country, that I am anxious to keep that connec tion as pure as possible of financial engagements. The noble lord has himself acknowledged the possibility of a mis understanding with an ally under such circumstances ; but why should ye go out of our way to enter into engagements of this kind which were pregnant with so much difficulty and danger, when we have before us, if we are obliged to have recourse to this system of as sisting Turkey—a precedent which has proved efficient to meet all those difficulties which are probably always insu perable from financial engagements. Irrespective of my objection to the original scheme of coming forward to do what is called assisting Turkey, by using the credit—that is, the capital of England—in a manner which appears to me most crude, without having before us any detailed es timate of the circumstances which justify in the opinion of the Government, such an advance ; irrespective of that objection, I must say I greatly object to the form the noble lord has recommended us to adopt. The noble lord says there will be an arrangement made by which we shall have a control over the finances of Turkey, which may secure to us the receipt of our interest, anti of that suns which ie necessary from the public revenue to form a sinking fund for this loan; and he also says that commissioners aro to be appointed in the Turkish empire for this great object ; but this appears to me to be an arrangement pregnant with great difficulties and dangers. Lord PALMERSTON— We are to be distributors of the proceeds. Mr. DISRA.ELI—If we are to be the distributors of the proceeds of the loan, then I think the noble lord has en tered into an arrangement infinitely more to be deprecated. If we are not only to supply the funds, but also to distri bute and divide them, when we call upon Turkey to pay the interest and advances, we shall have a perpetual quar rel as to the mode in which the original loan has been ex pended. She will always say, We are paying interest on money which wo have not received, or which has not been expended for the public benefit. Let the noble lord only look at the pleas preferred by the South American States as reasons for not paying the public debts they had contracted with respective Governments. They have always said, " These loans have been negotiated in so expensive a manner that we have not received more than a moiety of two-thirds of the nominal capital for which we are debtors, and there fore we shall not pay any portion whatever." You will be in the same position in Turkey if you adopt the arrangements recommended by her Majesty's Ministers. lam altogether opposed to these advances to States in the position in which Turkey is placed, but if you are to make advances, let them be advances paid bona fide into the hands of the Turkish Government. (Hear.) I sincerely hope the com mittee will pause before it sanctions the resolution before the house. This is the second advance which has been asked for during the present session to assist a foreign Power. It is an advance of the capital of England upon an insufficient security. I see no reason why a sum larger in amount may not bo recommended in a very short time to be again advanced for the assistance of Turkey. (Hear.) The description given by the noble lord of the destitution of Turkey is so vague, but at the same time is so alarm ing, that, if you admit his present precedent, there is no reason why it may not be a precedent for larger de mands to be again, and even perpotua:ly, if the war lasts, recommended for the sanction of Parliament. My advice is, that this is a step we should not autho rise. If the Government can come forward and show that there are speci it objects in regard to which it may be of importance to assist Turkey, it will be for the committee to consider whether those objects cannot be better obtained by more directly expending these sums of money under our own control and by our own means. The Government, however, favour us with no details; they have not stated upon what grounds they founded their estimate; we do not know whether five millions or ten millions will be suf ficient to attain the specific object in the mind of the Minister. But, by agreeing to this quest:on, we shall be establishing a precedent which will, in my mind, have a most injurious effect up ,n the finances of this country. All that I would do would be to entreat the corntnittse to reconsider well the financial position of our own coun try itself. The Chancellor of the Exchequer has to-night appeared to be surprised that a right honourable gentleman on this side of the house should have complained that we should only just now—almost at the end of the session—have become aware of the intention of the Government to appoint another committee of ways and means, and this, too ' after we h a d vo t e d an amount of pub lic money this ye a r larger than had been voted for the last 40 years. But Ido not think we ought to have owed it to a chance inquiry of the hon. baronet the member for Ever sham (Sir H. Willoughby) to be told that we are, at the end of July, to prepare to go into committee of ways and means. I think it would have been as well if this notifica tion had been made in a more formal and ceremonious man ner. All I know is, that it was an inquiry made in so sow a tone of voice, and answered in a tone of voice so little mere elevated, that very few hon. gentleman in the house were really aware of the important inquiry and reply we were favoured with. This 1 a very important considera tion, for it is quite impossible to shut our eyes to the serious state of our finances. Great as are the resources of this country, we must not be afraid of calling it this serious state of our finances. I have no doubt that, what ever sacrifices we are called upon to make the country are prepered to make for the great object now at stake. The country, however, ought to have precise ideas of the objects for which the public money is to be expended. But I want to know what precise conception we have of how these public funds going to Turkey are to be expended ? We have not that inforiaation from Mini sters, and we are, at the same time, sanctioning a system which is vague in its character and indefinite in its amount, and at a time when we have to consider the general finan cial position of the country, incurring a liability which renders all estimates impossible, and all computation of public expenditure of the most unsatisfactory and perplex ing character. Under these circumstances, I think it will be well for the house not to sanction the resolution now in the Lands of the chairman. Let her Majesty's Mini sters have an opportunity of reconsidering the whole of the question—let them wait until they place before us a clearer idea of our financial position than we at present possess, and let the Ministry is the interval devise some mode by which we may assist Turkey in a manner, I think, much more efficient and effective than sending English capital to that country, instead of employing English capital by English means and machinery for the object we have all of us at heart, namely , the vigorous prosecution of the war in which we are en gaged, and establishing Turkey, as I hope to see it esta blished, a real and effective barrier against the aggression of Russia, (Hear.) Sir DE LACY EVANS supported, though reluctantly, the proposition of the Government, Mr. LAING was unwilling to embarrass the Adminis tration, but he was much opposed to the principles of a guarantee. Mr. COBDEN accepted the description of the noble lord as a proof of what h e bad a ll along said, that Turkey was politically effete. She could no t be trusted, it seemed, with spending h er own money, and there f ore the Go vernments of England and France were go i n g to spend it for her. But h e w as anx i ous t o k now how that was s to be done. Were th e y t o sen d agen t s t o every regi ment, to see that the soldiers were properly If they did not do that they did nothing, for it was well known that the colonel at the head of every Turkish regi ment was the man who plundered the regiment. If money ' was to be lent to T ur k e y a t a ll , any wa y would be better than this way. They had muc h better t_ie proceedings make presen t o f it to Turkey altogether. H e cons i ,erect of that night would be a great triumphai that Turkey was to the Russian party everywhere. It was now admit not only a sick but a dyi ng man , and the insult offered to her by this measure was greater than any offered by Prince Menschikoff. His opinion was, if they wanted to support Turkey, they ou g ht a t onc e t o put an n address th e ms e l ves t o th e ques tion of ed to the war, and providing some effec tivo internal government for Turkey. Mr, WILKINSON could not take upon himself the re sponsibility of refusing this vote. Mr.' CA.RDWELL said the horse of Commons had already, for the purposes of this wa r, sa nctioned an expenditure which, separated from the debt, tripled the expenditure of 1851. It was their duty, the .e -fore, to pause now, and ask whether this new expenditure was calculated to attain the end in view. His objections to this resolution were titre to vote away the money of :—first, that they were about this country without havi ng over it any adequate control ; his next objection was, that it was a disguise and a deception ; his third objection was, the political consequences the loan might entail on us. On these grounds ho thought that every friend to a vigorous prosecution of the war ought to vote against the resolution. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER called the attention of the com mittee to the consequences that w ou ld follow from a rejection of th - s vote. The guarantee h a d already bests adopted by the French Legislature. If the House of Commons refused it, her Majesty must commu nicate to her ally the Emperor of the French th a t s h e i s unable to fulfil her engagements, and that the consent of the Frerch Legislature already obtained must be null and void. He fully admitt,d the ight of the house to reject the vote—he admitted that her Majesty's consent was only conditional on this house giving its assent, but that would be the position in which the house would place her Ma jesty. Ho denied that the plans recommended by his op ponents possessed any advantages over that proposed by the Government, and reminded the house that Ministers were in fact precluded from taking any other course than thq - did, as they had pledged themselves to contract no further loan for England till the last instalment of the last was paid.. M. WALPOLE thought the Chancellor of the Exche quer had risen to withdraw this resolution, and he regret ted he had not done so. The arguments were unanswered, and he believed unanswerable; and there was this remark able cireurestance, that not a single independent member had given an unqualified support to the Government pro pos ti on. . . _ Lord PALMERSTON spoke again, and taunted the hon. gentlemen who had made general warlike professions, and even attacked the Government for insincerity with now flinching from their own professions, and refusing this comparatively small contribution for the vigorous prosecu tion of the war. The committee then divided — For the resolution Against it Majority for the resolution —3 This announcement was received with cheers and counter cheers by the committee. The resolution being thus carried, the house resumed. SUPPLY—THE MAYNOOTH COMMISSION. On the motion for going into a committee of supply, Mr. SPOONER moved that a select committee be ap pointed to consider the circumstances under which the re port and evidence of the late Maynooth Commission had been tampered with. Mr. HORSMAN, on the part of the Government, resisted the motion, and after some discussion the house divided; For going into committee of supply 76 Fur Mr. Spooner's amendment 97 Majority against the Government —2l - C.9‘R.RIA3E DUTIES BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. The Court of Judicature (Prince of Wales' Island, &e. Bill was read a third time and passed. The Convention with United States Bill was read a third time and passed, as was also the Chinese Passengers' Ships Bill. ABSCONDING DEBTORS (IRELAND) BILL On the order of the day for the third reading of this bill, Mr. BRADY moved as an amendment that the bill be read a third time that day three months. The house divided— For the amendment lO Against it Majority —46 The bill was read a third time. The house adjourned, at four minutes to two o'clock until Monday at 12 o ' c l oc k. , PA ELIA Al EN TA RY DIVISIONS. AYES-135. Acton, J. Grey, Sir G. O'Connell, D. Anderson, Sir J. Grey, R Oliveira, B. B .11, J. Grosvenor, Ld. R. Osborne, R. Baring, Sir F. Hall, Sir 11. Palmerston, Viset Bass, T. Hankey, T. Pechell, Slr G. Bethel], Sir R. HAStir, Archd. Peel, F. Biddulph, R. M. Headlam, T. PeHatt. A. Bland, L. Herbert, 11. Perry, Sir T. rtouveria, Hon. E. P. Higeins. G. 0. Philipps, J. Brady, J. Hogg, Sir J. W. Pritchard, J. Brand, H. B. W. ' Holland, E. Ricardo, 0. Brocklehuret, J. him small, E. Ricardo, S. Brown, H. Howard, C. R clordson, J. Bruce, Lord E. Howard, Lord Ru.sell, Lord J. Buckley, Gen. Ingham, R. sSßussell,aadl .i e e i I l* C J F . a * i (i n e . s Butt, 1. J ac k son , W. Campbell, Sir A. Kershaw, J. Castlerosse, Viscount Kinnaird, A. Schoblield, W. Cay, ley, .Z. Kirk, W. Scobell, Capt. G. Cobbett, J. M. Labouchcre,rtt.llon.H Scully, F. Cockburn, Sir A. J. E. Lain ton, H. 0. Scilly, V. Cowper, W. F. Lee, W. Seymour, Lord Crain urd, E. IL J. Lewis, Sir G. C. Seymour, H. Deedes, W. Lindsay, Col. J. Shatto, R. Do Vere, S. Lockhart, A. E. Shee, Serjt. W. Dillwyn, L. Lrl tV „, li. Shelley, Sir J. Drumlanrig, Viscount Luce, T. Smith, M. Duncan, Viscount Mackinnon, W. A. Smith, R. Dungai van, Viscount M`Cann, J. •cimerville, Sir W. EUrington, Viscount Macgregor, John Steel J. Ellice, E. Massey, W. Tliortiely, T. Esnionde, J. Matheson, A. Tile, W. Ewart, J. Miiii,faii, R. Tomline, G. Fergusson, Sir R. Mitchell, T. Waterpark, Lord Fitzgerald, Sir J. Molesworth, Sir W. Watkins, Col. Fitz Gerald, J. Mon creiff, J. Whatman, J. Forster, C. Monsen, W. Wickham, H. W. Forster, J. Morris, D. Wilkinson, IV. Fox,W. Mowatt, F. Williams W. Gaiwey, Sir W. 3f ulgrave, Earl Willoughby, Sir U. Glyn, G . 111untz. G. Wilson, J Goderich, Vie. Noel, G. Wood, Sir C. Goodman, Sir G. Norreys, Sir D. Wyndham, W. Greene, John North, F. TELLERS Gregson, S. O'Brien, P. Hayter, W. Greville, Col. F. O'Brien, Sir T. Berkeley, G. ----- - NOES—I 32. Adderley, C. Graham, Lord W. Napier, J. • . Alcock, T. Granby, Marquis of Newark, Viscount Alexander, J. Guinness, R. Ossul ston, Lord Bailey, C. Gwyn, H. Pakenham, T. 11. Ball, E. Hadfield, G. Pakington, Sir J. Baldock, E. Hamilton, Lord C. Palmer, Roundell Bankes, Rt Hon G. Hamilton, G. A. Peacocke, G. Barnes, T. Basile, Alex. Peel, Gen. Bateson, T. Heathcote, Sir W. Pennant, Col. E. Beaumont, H. Henley, J. Percy, J. Bell, J. Herbert, S. Phillimore, It. J. lit.ntinek, G. Hervey, Lord A Pilkington, J. (looker, T. W. Ile, wood, J. Repton, G. Bright, J. Horsfall, T. Ilushout, G. 'rack, G. Ilothain, Lord Smtith, Sir W. Burrowes, R. Hume, H. Smith, J. B. Cairns, it. Joilifle, Sir W. Smyth, J. G. Cardwell, E. Jones, Adm. Spooner, It. Child, Smith Jones, 1). Stafford, A. Cobden, R. Kendall. N. Stanhope, J. Codrington, Sir C. W, Knight, F. Stanley, Lord Cole, 11 A. Knox, H. S. Stirling, W. Corry, H. T. L. Lenmyx, Lord IL Stracey, 11. Cowan, C. Liddd I, H. G. Stuart, W. Crook, J. Lockhart, W. Stunt, U. Crossley, F. Lovaine, Lord Sullivan, Michael Davies, J. L. Lowther, Col. - Taylor, Col. Disraeli, B. Lu , hin;ton, C. Tollernache, J. Duff., C. G. Macartney, G. Tyler, Sir G. Duncan, G. Macgregor, Jas. Verner. Sir W. Duricombe, Hon.W. Maddock, Sir T. H. Vernon, G. Dundas, G. Maguire, J. Vernon, L. Dunne, Col. Manners, Lord G. Vyse, col. Egerton, H. C. Maxwell, J. 'Waddington, H. Evelyn, IV. Meagher, 'f. Wa'cott, Admiral Farnham, E. 111 eux, Sir li. Walpole, S. Fellowes, E. Miall, E. Walsh, Sir J. Fergusson, Sir J. Mlles, W. Whiteside, J. Fitzgerald, W. Michell, W. Whitmore, 11, Forester, Col. Moffatt, G. v‘ ise. A. French, F. Morgm, 0. Wyndham, Gen. Gilpin, Col. H. Mowbray, J. TELLERS • Gladstone, W. Mullings, 3. Laing, S. Gordon, A. , Murroligh. J. Ri,:ardo, J. Graham, Sir J. Naas, Lord PAIRS ON THE TURKISH LOAN RESOLUTION, FOR. AGAINST, Mr, Layard Captain Gladstone Lord Einlya " Mr. Kuatehbull Mr. Elliot Sir T. Herbert Mr. Fenwiek Mr. Newdegate Mr, Wyvill Mr. Fuller Mr. Greufell Sir C. Burrell Mr. Byng Mr. Freweu Mr. Majoribanks Sir F. Tbesiger Sir R. Price . Mr. B. Coles Colonel Freestun Mr. Vansittart Mr. C. Villiers Mr. Manus Mr. G. Langton has paired for the remainder of the session with Mr. G. C. Legh. THE MEDITERRANEAN. SOUTHAMPTON, FRIDAY NIGHT. By the Peninsular and Oriental Company's steam shin Indus, Captain Soy, with the India and Medi terranean mails, we have received dates from Alexandria July 6, Malta 10, and Gibraltar 15. The Indus brings in all 63 passengers, and a cargo consisting of silk, shawls, elephants' teeth, &e. During the homeward voyage the Indus spoke, on the 12th inst., the Peninsular and Oriental Company's steamer Sultan ; on the 14th the sallicg transport Saldanha, bound to England, with in valids ; on the 15th, the sailing transport Stock holm, bound to the Crimea, and transport No. 841 ; on the 16th, the screw transport Cochrane ; on the 19th spoke the Peninsular and Oriental Company's steam-ship Iberia, with the outward Peninsular mails. The Austrian fleet, consisting of 12 'vessels, was lying at Alexandria. The- British steamer Contractor, 21 days from Liverpool, arrived at Gibraltar on the sth inst. The sailing transport Canterbury arrived out on the 9th ; also the steam transport Sovereign, from London ; the Dido, from Plymouth ; the Norman and the sailing transport Lord Raglan, from Liver pool. The Pioneer steam-transport, laden with gunpowder, tin., arrived from London on the 10th, and as she was steaming into the bay the ballast fuel on board took fire, but was •fortunately soon extinguished. The steam-transport Bacchante arrived out on the 12th. The British hired hark Allied Powers took in a cargo of shot and shell at Gibraltar, for the Crimea, on the 14th inst. The Sultan, with the India and China mails, arrived at Gibraltar on the 9th inst., and the Alhambra, with one. Peninsular mail, on the 14th. Exchanges at Gibraltar and on London were quoted for bills at 90 days' date at 514 ; Paris, sf. 37c. THE VOTE ON MB. ROEBUCK'S MOTION.—Tt will be seen from the division list that the Liberals who voted against the getting rid of Mr. Roebuck's resolution by "the previous question" were Messrs. John Brady, John Bright, Humphrey Brown, M on t agu Ch am b ers , Richard C o bd en, Joseph Crook, Charles G. Duffy, Vis count Goderich, John Greene, George Hadfield, T. Ken ' reedy, G. Langton, A. H. Layard, W. S Lindsay, J. F. Maguire, T. Meagher, B Miall, G. F. Muntz, J. P. Murrough, A n J. L. Ricardo, J. A. Roebuck, W. Scholefield, Captain Sc o b e ll, A. Smith, W. Wil liams and R. Swift. Among the Conservatives who voted fpr the previous question, and against their lead. ers, were Sir T. D. Aciand, Viscount Barrington, I. Butt, Marquis of Granby, T. B. Horsfall, H. G. Liddell, and Sir J. Walsh. • HOUSE OF CO \1 VIONS.—JULY 20. THE TURKISH LOAN.—CONSIDERED IN COMMITTEE. Motion made, and question put, " That it is the opinion of this committee that her Majesty be authorised to guarantee the payment of the interest on the loan of 5,000,0001. ster ling, to be contracted for by his Imperial Majesty the Sultan, in pursuance of the convention signed at London on the 27th day of June, 1855, between her Majesty, his Majesty the Emperor of the French, and his Imperial Ma jesty the Sultan, and that provision be madf , out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom, or the growing produce thereof, for the issue of such sums of money, from time to time, as may be required to pay any interest which may at any time be required to fulfil the guarantee of her Majesty in respect of such interest, conformably to the tcnour of her Majesty's engagement as specified in the said convention, together with the attending charges of manage ment thereon :"—The committee divided ; Ayes 135, Noes 132. COAL MARK: Prices of Coal per ton at t' s. d. Bate's West Hartley 17 6 Howard's West Hartley Netherton 18 0 Ravensworth Hartley lB 3 Taufield Moor l5 6 Taufield Moor Butes 15 Grey's West Hartley 3 Wylam 17 6 Wallsend, Acorn Close l9 9 Gosforth lB 6 Heaton Fiedley .18 6 Hilda 18 0 Leverson 15 6 Ftiddell lB 6 Eden Main 20 3 Belmont 19 (1 Framwellgate l9 I' Ships at market...ll yst COURSE OF EXCHANGE . Amsterdam 11 1 7 4 Ditto, three months .. 11 189/ 4 L'gr ar Rotterdam ....•..... 11 19 Gown '‘. Brussels 25 35 Veinn e '' Hatnburgh „„ 13 .73, aples Altona .. • • „ Paris •••••• .. 25 ' 0 MessDia • Ditto, thre months .. 25 35 I Lisbott Marseilles ........ 25 35 !Oporto Bourdeaux .• • ........ j Ino JO '4OlO Fr ankfort•on Maine •• .. 118)6 Bo en o ,a , Gibraif Berlin „ New I L la ';014? Vienna .... 12 15 , PhiladelP R icEs "•. Trieste •••••• • • • • •• •. 12 16 r - 00% CP" Petersburg „ ........ 35n i Foreign, hold A ,. , Madrid ..... .• ,„ „„, ,„ 50 Tortuga' p o lls.' 1 Cadiz ..... 50 1 4 Barcelona ............ I Sliver In bara Seville ...• .• ......... SEABORNE MAIO. he Righifles that the mails are set roraa espattcb.) ay the night—and M by the morm.-0 COVITTRIES tDaylv"n ni in General ' * Office, 1,011,011. Frau. r Pct Licel °l Liveri°l 4 041 5011 0 ' disra tt i soU-- , 11"Ver America(byTtrit.packlN &merles. kb) , United Ste. packet) ..N America (by U. States 1 F.vory Fr id 9. 37 .. packet) :........N •..... • Australia (via South-, ampton) .......... M ..... •••• • • Ditto (via Marseilles) N. ....... Ditto (via Cape of ( .load Hope) .• •• • • • • • • ..Ni Africa (West Coast) ..N.23d of the month A1exandria........... 4, 9, 24, & 30 of Alexandria .........,M 4th & 20th 01 inol.• Bahamas m 17th of tbo non t 1 Belgium ' 4 i l 3 - • • • • " ••• Brazil .............M,9th of the men . • • Buenos Ay es.. ~.,ml9tli o'• the month. Cape of Good Hope N Cape of Good Hope ..N Cape de Verde Ceylon (see India) Ceylon Channel Isles .. Chili.. China ... . Constantinople Constantinople Cont. of Europe ?.I & N Egypt (sec India) France . ..... Twice dai ';.y • • • • • ' Gibraltar .... • ....M 4,7, 17, 20, 27 of"' In Greece (see dia) Greytown .......... M 2nd & 17th of Mon illlaavinabnuhrgahh ..........:.,2nd of N 2 T n ue' P aY tt Holland ............ M Daily... .• .. •• .* lionduras .......... m 'l7th of the molt h. India ( vi aSouthampt.)M.4th & 20th of India (via Marseilles)M Nit& 25th c:f lonian Isles (see in+ u) ; 7, 17, & 27 of Ino v j Ireland •.•• .• •. M & N )Twice da , IY • • •'„",' Lisbon „ m 17, 5 : 27 ot , Madeira 9th of the moist Madeira ....•. S :232 of month •• •' vlalta (see India) Is. &2tli of melt Mauritius (see 11121 a) Mauritius Nil4th of the , month Mexico .••• •• •• •• •.Ml2nd of the mont h. Naples .... ........N bth I hth2ht hofrrian Now Granada !22 & 17th cif moot' New Zealand.... .'By - private stop Papal States rith I hth2so,,ofnien' • ', Peninsula 7 thl7 th 27 ofmon. : Peru & 27th e' r n ° ' l. !; Port Natal IBy private shill• • •1 Sicily 1 sth2ath ottnori•,.. Tuscany ....IN IS t h I ath 25 thol.mon . : Venezuela .....,.•„M & lith of mon th i r Van Diemen's Land (see' Australia) . ...... West •• '• • • • 04 21 : 1 7th o, moue • 00 1 ?fr o ° of .Do ,61 „clot! , nir t , I goatb . ,, Sou t h vat iol ls r . 1 p 0 ,SOUt n° A 9th of tin month 1 ,1%,,if0xn 1 7 $ ; , e Once a nlonth.• • • 8,13, ; 8,23,6z.ns o, !4th & 20th of ;no , ' Twice daily • • • • • • X 6 041 1 11 1 th e roV When any of these dates fall o•i a gen-_, --- ,.lptle k ,' spatched on the following day. with the r-• - T llll' !Southampton), and the Malta, both of NOW' preceding day. 1.(101t .1101 [ADVERTISEMEN T ] - waY 7° ri t e ' /- adapted for curing diseases '° incide ntsl 4 ol3l l4 /4 ; At different periods of life women or; 00",,,pr f f ; plaints which require a peculiar medic /II : e l s° V I !, an indisputable fact that there 11° ' . 0;1 0 1 4fi complaints of this nature as HollowaY t j e to l e ir y i i Eying qualities render them invaluable i siw, ht/ ages ; they are searching and clean ,i eV" rating A few do = es will speedily ren'O ce ,:to b A . 4 o irregularity in the system, and thereb9;,;o9loool4 on a sound and firm basis. As a faa w ' pills are the most valuable aperient p e r k - 1' —S , dd by all medicine vendors, atia a t i ; way's Establishm en t s , 244, Strand, Maiden•lane, N ew York. BIRTHS. 3f l+ OP A SON. , s tr° l e On the 20th inst., at 15, Upp e r ga le / %et ° ) Holland.et ti'' 111 0 P On the 20th i ns t , at the Palace-Pop riot the wife of th e R ev. John Hanson Sper t jottl On the 19th inst., the wife of E 4ber Richmond, Surrey. .44 ti goot d' OP A DM:IMMO • , ' VT f fr On the 21 s t i nst., at 2, Bishop 's-ter ri ` co ' , 0 0 0 / Lambeth, Mrs. Edward t alhle s tre et 7: 1 0 . ,, On the 16th inst, at at 13, Bro . oksh9 - li o e, ri,soV bury -park, the wife . of Mr. Thomas P .3l ; t, the _ r , On the 15tii inst. , at Bnlmershe C° ll ,giov rine Wheble. On the 19th inst., at 36, South-stre e t, 0 the Lady B a t eman. IP, 0,11) M A R R I E D: i chole b o ji t y On the 19th inst., at Waltham .A.b. e ' .v - • 0 0 0 p a o ft , Thomas Englis, Royal Engineers, 1° .,.,., vr e youngest (laughter of Joseph JessoPp ",:,',: bp'', flo i ril i On the 17th inst., at St. Nicholas Co'i o c r o'• 0 Rev. Edward Thomas Austen, M.A.( 113 ferg' ° l4l o Sir _ Kent, the youngest son of Admiral to ~,,Ist' K.C.8., of Poralown Lodge, 11 " t8 ' Collingwood, third surviving daughter of 1 " Clavell, R.N. di 75. 0 n the 19th inst„ at St. Alban's) . '" .r. i iito,Ob. e a rtt t h h pe e el l ,lB B iet t hv h i i nE n g s t. t , , at Glocester, J °sePil ‘ 3 °er e pop e if Sohn f,,el' 01 8 0 Oa the 18tfi'in sq. solicitor, of the firm . of Harvey and Abe ll ' : g et, 1:5. On the 18th ' Ail „ inst at 61, Great Towers° 440, __a..., aged 73. •, Do ti ll.ll ro , On St., Mr. m. Harris , Borough-road, in Mwontagn.jetre.etp;ret oe ugh-road, Southwark. 1 111 1 iiiilsl9 nia° 10'a 0 LONDON : Printed and Published by or- - se• - 0 0) of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at Th e SO s' tba-! Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoh - Iliddleavx, Saturday, July 21, lag/ no r NT I! Y 21/ LIVERPOOL —JOT A s teady but not large dernland stll'esfe wheat, fl our , oa t s , b ar ley, and bsne , ,, c ots Tuesday bei ng we ll s upported. n d ' s 01 white corn 42 s p er 4801bs, which is ;65,64 qr., and mixed and yellow 37s 6(1 to is a decline of 6d to is per qr. _ 2 O, WAKEFIELD —J SI I o il Factors com mence d by asking an auliesil for wheat, which checked sales, and bes o ,o 4 moderate extent, at rather o ver last totisir barley, beans, oats, and shelling n o n3 l LINCOLN —JULY 2O o i t ot The show of wheat to-day was o nly ° d e e the late un se ttl e d we ather. Para ier i s ice, vance of is to Is per qr. on previous P had to acce d e t o , b u t the business Barley , oats, and beaus in small suppl9i7 prices. CURRENT TRIO' 01 Wheat, white ................. .• ......... 11 01 rod. .................. • ........ Barley, grinding ....... . ....... ....... pi Oats ..................... 4;sl Beans... •• .................. ............ y JO EXETER -4D 18. ' g or beg CORN.—In our market wheat mass otll to 10s Od. Malting barley, 4s 9(1 to 5s 1 30 Od to Os Od. Oats, 3s 8(1 to 4s Ocl. Od. Peas, 00s 0(1 to 00s Od. , s od* FLOUR. —Fine, 56s Od to 58s Oa 0 0 / Od per sack. re; CATTLE.—Prime beef, lis 6d per sc, n g offj 101. 00s to 161. ; butchers' c alves, s to 7 7a. z p calves —s to —. s each. Sheep, i d n Od per lb. Store hog% large size, , i l g b 20s to 00s ; sm a ll, 00s ' to 005. 1°1 : 0 00 Pork carcases from 9s 9(1 to 103 6(1 per —.—_- INVERNESS.--Trl'q Od t4TA CORN.—Wheat, white, per qr., 7: 1 , s cory . ley, chevalie r , 31 s Od t o 32s Od; ( 11 '" MEAL.—Oatmeal, per 31s Od. Oats, :As Od to 32s Od• Oti le 01 second, 00s Od to Os Oct ; b a rleyine w ' re to,,,, peasemeal, 16s 6d to 20s Od; bran, V e . 209 imp. boll 2 ; 16 5 Ist flour, per 2801 b 57s Od to 60s Oyolb .. 7,d ij OOs Od ; oatmeal, 'best per st• a nA • rdl to Os Od ; ditto second, Od to Oslstvi to OOs Od ; peasemeal, is 10d to Os 9 9 j cr edi 3s 6d credit; 2d ditto,' 2s 6d cash , 25 ----- 0 0.00 BRISTOL SUGAR -411 cti l We have experienced a tolerably /,'porro cially for the sorts suited for grocer, bbtis'd of which have amounted to about SO A &AO are a slow sale • at is decline per cwt., t., 00 307,1 tract for 75,000 ga ll ons h as prod ac_de rums, and Leeward and Demerara •„ Iva °I 13 tel A be ; h o close a Llt Vrs l/ser :/ [ Ar a callow '''' Flaswe ll coo. ,„ Kepler Peushe r Russell's 0„..„,, South go,' , 'Stew:ll' o 'oe; eot e kWest e Jed; South nal _ a' , South tb . / " Whitwo r a Evenv i°° rthit it I Sold and ever res en At 3 o'elo, Pave l : l u • THI h - "e Pres, An th e c o ' IIII Y, Thq fr tarry i thti n that ha enr ttu ' 4111 1A3 t th, t • kt4 'eaat ,:"ePald . *rest vi .~ J ,The 513, " PaYal loth J R , c4tio°,3t.Pee N CR. 1A),,, P ; i 1 1 . 1111 '!( bIICA4I ) 0 4 Lfr .E . r7!° l Atdl ; 41°1-it y t 16 , Oth 4401 btA 9Nl' a . 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