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PA RLI A M EN T, HOUSE OF LORDS, MONDAY, JUNE 5. The House proceeded in Appeils.—An Account , of Wines imported was presented by Mr. Irving. Ordered to be printed.—The Free Port 13111, the Cape of Good Hope Trade Bill, the Navigation Bill, the Customs Bonds, &c. and some Local Bilk were bronght up from the House of Commons. by Air. Brogden, Mr. W.rtley, Mr. Gooch, Sir John Beinghey, and other Members, and read a first time.---The Carl of Winch'lira's Indemnity Bill :vas read a second and third time (the commit ment being negatived), and passed. com3Fxr AND THE CURRENCY. Lord HoLLaNn presented a petition from Wil- Cobbett, praying for relief from the House, in consequence of etntaatrassments asserted by the -petitioner to have been sustained by hint since the passing of the Act of the 2d July, 1819, for the Resumption of Cash Payments by the Rank of England; and of which embarrassments, he con sidered that Act to be the operating cause. The principal facts on which the prayer of the petition was founded, were, that in the year 1805, the peti tioner pot chased all estate at Motley in Hampshire, for which be gave 30,0001. ; this estate he subse luently mortgaged in the sum of 13 0001. hut not be ing able to discharge the interest, be had given quiet possession to the tnorigav,ee, who was now taking the necessary steps to foreclose the mortgage. The petiti-ner complained that the rise which Lad taken place in the value of currency, COM parrd with the matket price of the produce of the land, since the passing of the Act described, and which had not been contemplated is hen the mortgage debt had been contracted, tendered it impossible for him to pay off time incumbrance nniess at double the amount of the sum borrow-. -ed. It was for this constructive increase of his, debt by Legislative measures, which, in altering the quantity of the circulating 'medium, bad raised its value, so as to Make the real sum pay able by the original contract, far exceed the no minal amount, that the petitioner prayed lo be in demnified. The petition also stated, that the grievance was generally and severely felt through omit the community, to the . serlona loss, and eveu ruin of may y ; and 'hat the uncertainty of Legis lative measures respecting_ the currency, in a state of society so constituted as this, put ovvry mare's propet , y in peril. There were several calculations and principles of political economy laid down in the petition, which, in the reading, occasioned several of the Noble Lords to smile. On the motion of Lord HOLLAND, it WO or &red to he laid on the table ; and then the House •ati o nett. HOUSE OF COMMONS. MIS+CELJ.,I\F(fI S. Mr. .TAmva, the new Member for Carlisle, took the oaths and his seat. Mr. CnicK presented a Petiticin from William Cobbett, of Bottley.—(Vide Lords)—Or'deted be printed. Sir E. KNATCHEULL brought up the Report of the Committee on the Galway (town) Election, tit:daring W. Prendergast, Esq. the sitting mem. her, to have been duly elected, and that it did not appear that the Petition against the return was either frivolous or vexatious. _ _ . _ Mr. WEsTEHt4 presented a Petition, signed by 81 of the most active and respectable Magistrates 4)f the County of Essex, against the Colchester Quarter Sessions Bill.—Ortieted to be printed. The same Hononrable Member also presented a Petition from certain Landholders in the County of Essex, complaining of agricultural distress.— Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. DUGDALE presented a Petition from the Chamber of Commerce, stating the regret of the Petitioners to observe the attempts that were matting to but-then the Country with additional protective duties, and many injurious and impoli tic restrictions, at a time when distress was so prevalent. The Petitioners prayed for a repeal of the lass on the importation of Foreign Corn, and that a Commercial Committee Might be appoint ed.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. SYKES presented a Petition from the Free holders of Kingston-up,m-Holl, prayi ng t h at t h e - Elective Franchise might be transferred from Grampound to the East and North-East Ridings of Yorkshire, anti that they might be permitted to vote for those two Rulings. The lion. Mem ber stated his concurrence in the views of the pe titioners, and gave notice that in the Committee on the Gl.4ffiround Disfranchisement Bill, he should move a Clause to the effect of their prayer. Laid on the table. BALTIC TIMBER TRADE. General Gascoy NE preseutcd a Petition from certain Merchants of Liverpool, against any re loxAtion of the duties on timber imported from the North of Europe and the Baltic. The peti tion stated that any measure of that description would tend greatly to injure British merchants, who had embarked their capital in the timber trade with North America, who .mold inevitably lose much of their trade in consequence. Sir ISAAC COFFIN said a few words, adverse 10 the prayer Of the petition. The petition was read, and ordered to be pi inter]. MARRYATT presented a similar Petition from certain Ship Builders of the Port of Lon don; the lion. Gendeman stated that the peti tion was signed by all the ship-builders on each side of the Thames, with the exception only of one. Ile perfectly concurred with the peti tioners, that if any further encouragement were given to the importation of timber from the Baltic, it must be to the destruciion of the trade in that article with our own Colonies in Ame- rice. Mr. WILsoN observed, that it Was expected by taking o the restiictinto to conciliate the Nor thern nations, but he did not think that any con §nieta tion of kind should be allowed to in flotence, itt a manner so intimately connected with the interests of our own country. There were many other duties on fort ign importations, the removal of winch ‘rould answer that end — amongst these he would instance the duties on foreign wool. Sir \V. Cu aTIS bore testimony to the high cha ratter of the Petitioners, on which account alone he thought the petition merited the attention of the House. Mr. MARRYATT again addressed the House on motion for printing the petition, at some length. fie stated the great diminution which had taken place in the value of ships, in conse quence of the low state of the commerce of the country, and.dwelt on the impolicy ref taking any measures in the present state of things, tending to throw out of use the great concourse of vessels employed in carrying timber between this country and our Colonies in North America. He descant ed on the impracticability of rite system of tree trade—commerce ►without restrictioit—►which had of late loom! such strenuous advoca, es in that House, IVhen we had been shut our of the old world, we found the resources we thereby lost in the new ; and ought we, upon any principle, now be induced to give up these advantages in favour of those foreigners from whom we had suffered so owe) loss He allowed that a great part of the importation of timber had at one time come from the United States, but that was when there had been a great demand, which had now subsided, so as to admit of the ►whole. trade being carried on by our own ships, and with our n►vn colonies. By accurate computation, four-fifths of the trade would be transferred from the Bri tish colonies to foreign nations, "by a repeal of the restrictions on the importation of timber from the Baltic and the tesult would tie, either that a great proportion or the ships employed in this rode would go over to foreign conotries, thereby adding to their po , r er, or that the crews of those vessels would be thrown on tt►e parishes, and ad i an additional weight to the great burt!len of the nation—'he Pool s' Rates., He contended that the prosperity of our own Colonies ought to be preferred before that of Foreign Powers. He concluded by recommending the petition to the serious attention of the 11,,u,e. Alt BARING vindicated his intention in Ivishing fora Commit►ee to consider on the possibility and expediency 01 temoving the restrictions From the foreign t►acle of the country as far as it could be accomplished. He could assure the Hon. Gentle man, that as far as he was able to ascertain the views of the House on the subject, in the event of the Committee being appointed, nothing would be done contrary to the interests of the persons engaged in the Timber trade with the Colonies. If it should be oiberwise, he was sure the repre sentation of a body of Gewlenien so respectable would meet with every possible attention. The lion. Gentleman was going on in this manner, when The SPEAKER suggested to the Hon. Member, the propriety of avoiding going into any debate at present on this question. There were seven teen Orders of the Day on the List, amongst which there were several as important, and per haps more important than the present discussion. As the Elonourable Member had a twice before the House for a Committee, the debate would perhaps cone more fitly when that motion was put. Mr. BAR2i4G assented to the suggestion of the Speaker. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR remarked on the great in convenience of the practice which had of late prevailed, of entering into discussions on the pie sentatiOn of Petitions. An hour and a half had already been occupied on this subject. • The : Petition was then ordered to be printed.' The Earl of Winchilsea's indemnification Bill was brought down from the Lords, and read a first and second time, and ordered to be com mitted and reported forthwith. The CHANCELLoR Of the ERCHECaTJER observed, that the circumstance which gave rise to this Bill (his Lordship having given his vote before he had taken the necessary oaths upon the event of' a nevi Parliament) was committed entirely through inadvertence. PORTSMOUTH ELECTION. Lord CLl;EbrOtii;Cit --- uPthe Report of the Committee appointed to examine the validity of the Return for this Borough, which declared that AdMira) John Barker bad been 'duly elected ; but that the petition of Admiral Cockburn did not appear to he either friVolons or vexatious. Sir M. AV. RIDLEY presented a Petition from certain Merchants of Newcastle;-upon-Tyne, against the removal of the restriclions on the im portation of Timber from the Bshie. The Lion. Member stated that a few years back there were only /83 ships employed in this Trade' with America, and that at present there were upwards of 1500 chips and 18,000 seamen.—Read, and ordered to be printed. ALLEGED DELINQUENCY. Mr. D. W. HARVEY presented a Petition from Nlr. Jumes Elder, complaining of great hardships sustained in consequence of gross dereliction of duty on the part of Mr. W. EAlisliaw, Solicitor of the Customs, in a transaction relating to the seizure of a vessel. Dun - ON COTT3N WOOL. Lord STANIIitY said, in consequence of a letter be i►ad received that morning, be was desirous of putting a question to the Right Honourable Gen tleman opposite. it appeared that great appre hensions' were excited in the city of Exeter, in consequence of au idea prevailing that it was in the contemplation of Government to increase the duty on the importation of Cotton Wool. lie Should therefore be glad to know if there was any idea of that kind on the part of his Majesty's Mi nisters ? the LHANCELLOR of the EXCHRQUER said, no alteration was intended for the present :year ; but it might be prudent another year. Ou the motion ot the CHANCELLOR of the Ex- CHEQUER, the [louse went into a Committee 'ot Supply, in which the Financial Orders of the Day were disposed of. FOREIGN COMMERCE. On the motion ot Mt. A. BARING, a Select Committee was appointrd for the pin pose of in quiring into the btst means of indintaitiing -sod improving the Foreign Trade of the Coontry, Mud reporting its opinions and obset vatiung thLreon. 7 he Mrmhets were— Mr. Ar. Bariog, Lora C'astlvrea;h, Mr. Tierney, Mr. Lainh, Mr. Rohl:ism), the Chancellor 01 the ENelie quer, Mr. Wilson, Mr. L viug, Mr. /Well, Mr. S. tiuuri e, Mr. Wilmot, I,r,rd Ilthorpr, Mr. Kiihnian Fiitlay, Sir J. Novport, Mr. Keith Dou g las, Mr. Gloulslane, &C. Awl on the motion of Al r. MAIIRYATT, Itii r. A. Roberts was added to the numbyr: khr petition of the Merchants of London, and other docu ments connected with trade, were ordered to be referred to the said Committee. GRAMPOUND DISFRANCHISEMENT. Lord S. Russau. said, in moving the second reading of the Grampound Disfranchisement Bill, be telt he had little more to say witt► respect to the general merits of the question, it having been spoken of so fully, at least for the last ten months. He would not refuse acceding to any amendment that did not violate the principle for which he contended ; but if any instruction were moved, tending to restrict the measure to the ad joining hundreds, that on every consideration be should feel himself bound to resist it. The con duct of his Majesty's Miuisters had on the whole of thu business been so very wavering and un• steady, that he was sure no independent Member would care a straw for their opinions. He would not, therefore, further trespass on their patience, but commit the Bill to the decision of the House. Mr. SMITH said, what he looked to in this pro posed measure was, the tangible reform which it might produce. And in supporting the Noble Lord on this occasion, he did so, not only to pro mote a public good, but to put down the efforts of those would-be patriots, whom he believed to be the worst enemies of the country; he wished to take out of the months of such persons their charges against the manner in which the House was filled, and in taking from them this pretence, to promote a safe, an honest, and expedient mea. sure The whole country united in one common reeling of respect to his Noble Friend for she wanly and persevering conduct be exhibited dur ing the progress of this measure; and believing most sincerely that, if carried, the most happy -esolts would arise, he offered his best hopes and wishes for its success. Mt Serjeallt ONSLOW expressed his approbation at ttic principles maintained by the Noble Lord. He wished Grampound to be disfranchised in the largest sense of the word—(Hear, hear !)—and conidcred it deserved to be . so. Grampound went bet outs all precedent ; the whole town war cor rupt—an instance unexampled in any other place. The casts of &most all the Welsh boroughs were regulated by Act of Parliament, and Ihe right of voting given to them by Parliament. He sincerely wishetf the measure to succeed, anti he was for titer of opinion that the County of York should have four Meath: rs. The grand point with him was that Grampound should he totally and radi cally dish ancitised.—(Hear, hear !) Mr. D GILBERT said, that he did not mean to offer one word in vindication of Grampound,— (Hear,)—for he believed that nothing could be said in defence of that system of corruption which for many years had been carried on in that Borough, and which, therefore, warranted the se vere animadversion of the House. He objected, however, to the specific remedy recommended by the Noble Lord, and also to the proposition of substituting the West Riding of Yorkshire for the Borough of Leeds, as tending to establish a precedent that might occasion the adoption l of those principles of general Reform which be conceived would end in anarchy and confusion. The House, as at present formed; possessed within itself a charm which preserved the Constitution from decay, like Aladdin's lamp, notwithstanding tthe rust by which it was externally disfigured The Hon. Gentleman, after some further animad -versons on the doctrine of-Parliamentary Reform, stated his intention of opposing the Bill in its pre sent shape, and concluded by moving the follow ing instruction :—" That the Committee be em powered to make provision in the Bill for extend ing the right of storing for Burgesses to serve in Parliament to the Hondreds of Poudre and Piedre, and fOr confining the right of voting to the said Hundreds." ADJOURNED DEBATE. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose and said, that in consequence of Ministers having been called away to attend a Cabinet Council, he was desirous of potting it to the House, with the con sent of the Noble Mover, that the Debate be ad journed till to•morrow. Lord J. RUS9BLL said he had no objection, but the occupation of to-rnorrow affected the Hon. Member for Durham (Mr. Lambton, whose mo tion for Parliamentary Reform stands for that day) more than it did hint. tVlr. LAMBTON said, that no public grounds were alleged to dispose him to defer the subject of which be hail given notice. There might be a Cabinet Council necessary, and Ministers might he embarrassed in consequence of the embarka tion of the Queen at Calais; but he could tint see that public business ought to be deferred because they wanted time to consult about the difficulties which this step would occasion between her Ma jesty and the King. With every wish to accom modate the Noble Lord, he could not consent to postpone his motion one hour. Lord J. RUSSELL said, it was not to accommo date him—he required nothing. Vie CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the Hon. Gentleman could not intend by public grounds that he (the Chancellor) should state what passed in the secret consultations of the Cabinet.—(A laugh.)—On all former occasions, like the present, the House had been ilisposed to take the statement of a Minister as a sufficient reason, and he trusted it would do so now, not as requested personally by Itim, but in the dis charge of his duty. He had named to-morrow only as thinking it proper, when asking for an ad join.nmenr, to mention the earliest period for re suming the debate. After some further conversation, in which Mr. TIIsItNEY, Lord J.ltusstiLL, and Sir JAMES MACK.• INTOSU participated, the business was finally ar raogi-d as follows Mr. Lanibton, On r,form, to-morrow. the ..curd reading of the Alien Bill, Wednesday. t it J. Mackintosh, on the trifoitml Laws, Thursday. The Chancellor of the Exchever, on that part of the ''tar's Finance which relates to the Loan, Friday. Th nenew(klDcbate Oil tiranll l olllld, Monday and The Budget, (in Wednesday week. INSOLVE: , f DEBTORS' BILL. The House went into it Committee on the In• solvent I), (noes' Bill. Mr. DENMAN object el to the appointment of three Com missioffe s, and moved, as an amendment, to substitute oae fur thee. 7. Lord ALTHORPE supported the Clause as it originally stuvd, as couch, of .L% erils cOmplai:Rti of la the last Court was owing to the want of a Commissioner to examine the accounts. Mr. AItERCROMBIE was inclined to barn more than one Commissioner, or an Examiner, to assist in the accounts. Mr. OMMANEY said a few words inaudible , in the. Gall y. MT. W. HARVEY thought the Bankrupt Commissioners might be reduced from 70 to 10, with great advantage to the country, and do the business both of BankrOptcy and inso.l-• vent Debtors. Mr. ABERCROMBIE concurred in the opinion, that the Bankrupt CommissiOners were far too numerous. Mr. WROTTESLEY Waif hostile to the whole principle of the Bill. After some desnitory conversation between Lord Althorpet Mr. D. Harvey, and Mr. Denman, the aniendment avai With drawn. The remaining clauses went through the Committee. The Report was then brought up, and ordered to be taken iiita further consideration on Friday. Sir WILLIAM cuans was ordered to be added to the Welch Judicature Committee. Mr. LYTILF.TON brought in a Bill to regulate the Wage* of Workmen, which was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Friday the 16th. Mr. LUSHINGTON brought in a Bill to continue the Duties on Crown Glass, which was read the first time, aild ordered to he read a second time to-morrow. Mr. LUSHINGTON brought in' a Bill to encourage the growth of Flax ; also a Bill for funding Exchequer Billes which was read thefirst time, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, and air House Adjourned. FOR THE SU?. FOREIGN TIMBER. MR. EDITOR,—A great exertion is now making by a few commercial houses connected with Nor.. way, Sweden, and Prussia, to annihilate en im portant branch of the British Carrying and Colo• nial Trade. Russia takes little or no interest in the contest, for reasons obvious to every one in any degree acquainted with the Baltic Trade. ld the course of the present Parliamentary investi• Ration of this great national titivation, the•disa tiuguished individuals who compose the CoMmit,. tees of both i Houses of the Legislature should-sift the subject to the bottom, for it will not bear deep cutting or probing. The persons who ace now sitting around me in this Coffee House no , ders:and it very well. They know that many in divittotals who are so clamorous for lowering the , duties on Foteign Timber, are wholly influenced by their own interest ; that many of them are the proprietors of Forest Lands in the -Countries before-mentioned ; and the Owners or Part Ow ners of Ships under the Flag of those Countries —and that many of them and their relatives and partners are Burghers of those countries, and some either the Foreign or the British characters as best suits their own interests and the increase of their own gains. Under these circninstauces , those individuals should be examined to all these points, and every effort sho►►ld he made to oialatti a true and impartial inquiry on the subject. strict examination takes place, alt au ex part one, or one influenced by prejudiced or them , retical views on Foreign Trade, it will sP" pear that the imposition of the present .liltie* on Foreign Timber has produced a ran3t bent• ficial and profitable result to this kingdom, by having occasioned a considerable. fall or rem duction in the price of it. is. well known that the original cost of timber in Norway and the Baltic had greatly increased, but since 1809, when the duties were imposed, it has decreased, arta will remain at its present low price only so long as the present duties continue to be charged up* it, but the moment the war duty is taken off,- 3 will advance, to the profit of the foreigner, more rapidly than it fell, without the nation gaining s° export to Norway or the Baltic of one too mor e of British produce Qr manufactures ; anti beside , as nearly all the foreign wood is imported hereon' foreigo-, not British account, it will be brough t in Foreign vessels, at a very low rate of freight• to the 'exclusion of the British, the wages 0 1 the British seamen beiUg 50a. P.er month, whilat those of foreign seamen are only 15s. per month' For the troth of these remarks I refer to evert man engaged in the trade to the Baltic. A MERCHAN T liation's Coffee-house. • IMPORTANT IN7ORMATION..—FrOrn calculation' by the Cuilege of Physicians, no less than 40,09 9 (tie annually in Great Britain of Consumptio n ' and at least Io,ooa in London. The late Wi ll t Turnbull, Esq. a very ingenious Surgeon, ascer tained that every 29 , 11 person was rittiturerl.'" These complaints are truly alarming to every in' dividual who uses the least exertion. It is 9 15°. incredible the number that sutler horn a certn t : Disease, by being improperly treated. o'n' t those circumstances hiduced Dr. Comilla to s-et ec o eminent Physicians aPd Surgeons, of at teast yeats' experience, to form a Medical board; a° , since the establishment upwards of 30,000' 1 "!: tient! have been cured without confroenkerit many of them after hospitals had Messrs. COOPER and Co. are consulted 13 ' Woodstock•street, Oxtord-street 5 and at en ° ,,; lotte House, Great Charlotte•stree t, opposite"ji, Rev. Rowland Ml's, daily, trotheigltt tiller itro Illechatties have athice gratis e%ely evening , fr 1 ,5 six till ,eight 5 and Orr Sunday mornings nillit o'clock; - l• I ** RUPTURBS of 3(} years standing ratliol cured without confinement. *4.* There are private doors at each ',louse) °`' private rooms for Females. .en N. B. The Afflicted would do well to re Messrs. COOPER alit! Co.'s Lectures on two P bf railing Diseases, pahliAted at one Mr. HARVEY) 22, Blaelsfriais-road. They • also prove mein! to youn , .; Practitioners. Ott the 24th nit. at Paris, the Lady of the Righ't ant EiiNarti Thornton, his Niajesty's Envoy Extraorttill,,:.qtp Minister Majesty, of a son. MI ED.te#P. On Saturday last, at. Cli Aßß v,vell, 3011 n, son of John. s tvdoe E;q. of John-weer, lsedfold-Tow, to Emma, s econd d 4 of John NVilkins, F. , 1. of Chig‘tell DIED. 00Pq C At Milton, Ayrshire, on the 22d of hik, LaJY t oo Blair. f li ll° On Tuesday last, at Camrlen-torn, Mr. Gen. 5 , (T 5 5, ii „' ot Charles , treet, Nliddlecex lingpital, ellyznist, r.g, t -, of On Saturday, tht ?,(1 inst. sudderil, Nirs.Seward , ‘ %. .-''• Seward, Esq. of Norton - rtrect , Fitzr o y -s q uare. ._.-------- - ---- ' eq , ar r" LONDON: Printed by 3. B. CARSTAIRS, of 1 0 ' i /', :,,s1 Ormi,,,d-street. Queen-syntre; and published ~,,e . er n SUitIPPS, of No. 7, South Molton-street, at 00 4 01Fcr., No. 119, Strand ; wheru Adveitiseni enli, L' l lFrss ,!‘tc. {pact-pai4) tr i ne- leq.ziclressri, /4/ / ! 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