The Sun. — London, England, 1849-05-22 00:00:00

THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA. LIVERPOOL, MONDAY, MIDNIGHT. We have received our dispatches from the United States by the royal mail steam-ship Cambria, Captain Shannon. The Hibernia reached Halifax on the 10th, in 11-1 days. Affairs in Canada were comparatively quiet. The 'following are the latest telegraphic accounts : "MONTREAL, MAY $, 6 P.X. " The Parliament was not in session to-day ;it will convene•on Monday next, and hold its sessions in the new building. owned by Mr. Hayes, called the Freema son's-hall, but it is said that the seat of Government is to alternate tour years at Quebec and Toronto. "A young man engaged in the Custom-house has been arrested, and is in custody, for disturbing the peace, or, it is probable, to be detained for a witness. " The agitation still continues in the eastern townships. . All is quiet in Montreal." MAY 8, 7 P.M. " The Government has taken possession of the new building belonging to Mr. Hayes, and both Houses of Parliament will meet there on Monday. " A person named Stone was arrested to-day, but the charge against him is not known. " Some of the late prisoners are about to start on a tour of agitation to the eastern townships." " MAY 7, P.N. " There was nothing of importance done in Parliament to-day. The heads assembled in Bonsecours-market, and to-morrow will assemble in the Freemasons'-hall. Both Houses adjourned to remove their furniture to their new place of meeting.. "Everything 'remains quiet. "Quebec partook of the general excitement incidental upon the Rebellion Losses Bill having been sanctioned. The Governor-General was burnt in effigy en Friday evening last. Resistance was made by a section of the Irish party who professed ultra Repeal doctrines, and a tight ensued, which was finally quelled by the police. The military were in attendance, but were not required. One man was wounded, but not seriously. On Saturday an attempt was made to burn Sir A. M‘Nab in effigy, but the mode rate of the Irish party prevented it. On Sunday a mass meeting of the French Canadians was held, aided by the same Repeal followers, and a deputation sanctioned to proceed to the seat of Government to present an address to the Governor-General, offering defence and condo lence. " On Monday large parties again assembled, but all passed off quietly. " There is a talk of arming on both sides, and the papers in the Canadian interest talk most loudly." "MAY 4, " News from all over the country stills continues to pour in, both by telegraph and mail, of the monster meeting got up to protest against the Indemnity Bill, and to get up petitions to the Queen to recall the Go vernor. " We have just received words from Toronto of an immense meeting held there for the above-named object, and the appointment of Sir Alan M‘lslab as a delegate to England. " There was a fierce debate in the Assembly yester day evening upon a motion of adjournment—bitter eriminations and recriminations passed between both parties. " Mr. Papinean, the old leader of the rebellion made a furious attack on the Ministry, charging them with in capacity, and being the cause of all the disturbances. 66 Mr. Solicitor-General Drummond replied by charg ing him with the desire of annexation to the United States, and of being the first Governor of the new State. " Sir Alan M'Nab raked up recollections of murder and outrage committed during the rebellions of 1837 and 1838. The Ministry deprecated the cause of the argu ment as being got up for mere party purposes, and said that at a proper time they were prepared to justify the whole of that proceeding. The President of the Council likewise said that one of the causes of the excitement was the desire of annexation, which he deprecated. " There were no new disturbances in the city yester day, but there doubtless would have been if the House had not adjourned at an early hour. Large placards were posted all over the city, unanimously signed by the influential inhabitants, urging the necessity of maintain - .ing peace and order. The excitement is great, and there are rumours that Upper Canada will rise. A few days will show if it be true." " THURSDAY NOON, MAY 3. " The most trifling circumstances show the state of bad feeling which exists among parties in the provinces I at present. " The fact of the Governor General returning an answer of half a dozen lines in length to a couple of ad dresses from French Canadians was yesterday made the subject of bitter animadversion and invidious compari sons both in and out of the Parliament, which is this morning re-echoed in most of the city journals. "There has been no fault found with the addresses or answers, it was only that his Excellency replied to them at length, and that length was only half=a-dosen lines ; while to the more numprous petitions that were poured upon him against the Indemnity Bill,' he only . replied ' that he would give the allegations they contained his full consideration. There has been no more disturb ances in the city. nor has the news of any arrived from other parts of the country. It seems improbable that there should be any more for the present, as the pe.lple seemed disposed to wait for an intimation of the cow-se the English Government will pursue.. The appointment of Sir Alan M'Nab by the city of Toron' o is being a good deal canvassed, and is causing some excitement. On the decision of the English Ministry rests the ques tion if this colony is to be plunged in a civil war. "The Governor replied to au address as follows:-- "' Gentlemen,—l received with gratitude your loyal and dutiful address. I lament the outrages of which this city has been the theatre, and more especially the destruction of the building occupied by the Houses of Parliament, with the valuable library of which the pro vinces bad good reason to be proud. My confidence in the good sense, moderation, and loyalty of the body of the people is, however, in no degree shaken by what has occurred. It is satisfactory to me to receive the assur ances that the course of justice and impartiality which .I have followed in the discharge of the functions of my high office meets your approval. That course is pre scribed to me by my duty to my Sovereign, and to the inhabitants of the provinces. " A free people can hardly fail to discover in the faithful observance of all constitutional guarantees the best security for the preservation of their rights and liberties. " No efforts will be wanting on my part to secure the preservation of the peace of the city, and I sin cerely trust that by the exertions of the Legislature and the Executive authorities and the co-operation of all friends of order this object may be accomplished.' " " MAY 7. " Perfect tranquillity continues here. "Loyal addresses from all parts of Upper Canada are pouring in to the Governor-General. Both Houses of Parliament are quietly proceed:l3f" ; with business. "Domestic affairs in the United States present no features of note. Politics were tranquil. Government had determined to send two ships in search of Sir James Franklin's expedition, one to go round east by Labra dor and Davis's Straits ; the other round west by Beh ring's Straits, in search of the lost navigators." The money- market was easier. Discount for fa vourite signatures were quoted 7 to 9 per cent., on call 5 to 6 per cent. The banks here were well supp:ied, and a still further improvement was expected. United States Sixes of 1856 were lo6i- to 7. Sterling exchange was again higher—namely, 107 to 107 i, and 108 k. The latter being the quotation of the great drawers bills. The amount of business transacted for this steamer was limited. st'. 26i, sf. 26. A good deal of shipping to Havre. The cotton accounts state that the reports from the north evinced some previous exaggeration of damages. SOCIETY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF THE GOSPEL IN FOREIGN PARTS.—Yesterday the 148th anniversary meeting of the members of this society took place, with the usual solemnities, in St. Paul's Cathedral. The clergy and other friends of the society were requested, by public announcement, to meet in the nave of the Cathedral, at three o'clock, to receive his Grace the Archbishop of Canterbury, the president, and the civic authorities. Shortly after that hour a large number of arrivals took place, and a procession hissing been form ed, it moved into the choir, where service was performed. There were present his Grace the Archbishop of Can terbury, the Bishops of London, Salisbury, Llandaff, Worcester, Oxford, Bangor, Peterborough , R i po n, Man chester, and Lichfield; Archdeacons Hale and Robinson; the Hon. and Rev. H. Montague Villiers, M.A .; the Rev. Ernest Hawkins, 8.1)., Prebendary of St. Paul's; the Rev. Charles B. Da'ton, ALA.. Prebendary of St. Paul's and Rector of Lambeth; the Lord Mayor and his chaplain (the Rev. J. R. Cattley); Aldermen Sir George Carroll, Farncombe, Moon, and Hunter; Sheriffs Finnic and Goodhart; Mr. Chamberlain Brown, and upwards of one hundred other clerg) men in full canoni cals. Full choral service was performed, the gen tlemen of her Majesty's Chapel Royal, under the direction of the Rev. Thomas Helmore, being engaged to assist the choristers of St. Paul's. The sermon was preached by the Bishop of Lichfield, who remarked that during the last twenty years the Society had doubled the number of its missionaries, and with doubly in creasing success. Upwards of 100 additional missiona ries were required for Canada, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia. There %ere only two missionaries on the western coast of Newfoundland, and not one on the coast of Labrador. A , any additional missionaries were re quired in Australia, whither the tido of emigration was rapidly setting in. The Right Revert nd Prelate referred with much satisfaction to the fact that, during the last eight seirs eleven colonial bishoprics had been founded, and that two other colonial bishops (Victoria and Rupert's Land) would be consecrated in the course of the present month. His Lordship concluded with an eloquent appeal on behalf of the society. The mission ariesimaintained, in whole or in part, by the society, are 350,.in addition to whom upwards of 300 divinity stu dents, catechists, and scboolmasters are also supported by this venerable incorporation; but the required expen diture of the society cannot be kept up unless a perma nent addition be made to the annual income. DURHAM CATHEDRAL. —We have heard that it is intended speedily to appoint a new miner canon in this cathedral ; and it will gratify every lover of our cathe ' drat services to learn, that no candidate who does not possess considerable power of voice, and a thorough il• gtowledge of music, is likely to be a successful applie 'slareet.--Durham Chronicle. ', - The Marquis of Normanby left Paris yesterday *riling, and arrived in town by the South Eastern Rail .,:may.in time for the debate last evening. `..dc • Im port' . Vis.* , ?:4 t , 0 THE SUN: LONDON, INTERNATIONAL VISITS BE TWEEN ENGLAND AND FRANCE. Much has been lately said respecting the excursion parties advertised for the ensuing summer between the two countries, owing to the pleasing and unexpected tarn given to the late party, whose reception in Boulogne, Paris, and Amiens was so cordial. Agreeing, as we heartily do with the Boulogne Gazette, which devoted eight entire columns to an historical recital of the visit, we say with it—" Honour to Mr. Lloyd for this adroit 1 and seasonable conversion of an excursion party into an impromptu embassy of international friendship ; and I success attend Mr. Crisp, the originator and contractor for their expedition , in those h e ma y hereafter p lan for I the amusement of his countrymen." Allusion was made to the visit and its consequences at the anniversary dinner of the West London Literary and Scientific Institution a few days since, the gentle man being present whose preliminary communication with the French authorities gave the impulse to the ge nerous sympathies of our neighbours. The noble room at the Commercial Hall, King's-road, Chelsea, was handsomely decorated for the occasion, and the gallery was filled with elegantly dressed ladies. G. THOMPSON, Esq., M.P., ably filled the chair. This gentleman is one of the earliest and most zealous sup. porters of the institution, both by liberal donations and by delivering lectures which have always filled the hall to o7erflovving. He stated how much he owed to the opportunities for instruction and acquisition of useful and valuable information afforded by similar institutions, and spoke for nearly an hour most eloquently amid the re• peated cheers of the company. In proposing the health of their vice president, Mr. Lloyd, of Beaufort Lodge, Chelsea, he called attention to the important results from that gentleman's management of the late Paris excursion party, by making it the means of eliciting a demonstration of feeling in France towards this country, the value of which it was impossible to overrate. He highly complimented Mr. Lloyd on the tact and judg ment with which he was allowed by all to have conducted the embassy of friendship. It was a delicate and difficult office that he took upon himself, but his good sense and activity in seizing every means of putting the English character in an advantageous light before Frenchmen had been crowned with entire success. They were fortunate in a gentleman of his position as a magistrate, and ac quaintance with the language of France. But one opinion had been expressed on his proceedings, during the week when he was thus in a proud position, at the head of five hundred of his countrymen in the French capital. In the House of Lords the previous night was mentioned by Lord Stanley the extraordinary and un precedented incident of French goodwill being warmed I even to playing " Rule Britannia," at a grand entertain ; ment given to Mr. Lloyd and his party. He hoped the I good feeling now evoked in France would encourage ) other excursions, for nothing would promote more the objects of institutions like these—the universal cultiva tion of science and literature apart from all national pre judices. He coupled with Mr. Lloyd's health, " a continuance of the good feeling now existing between England and France." This toast having been drank with all honours, Mr. LLOYD replied that what the Chairman had said about the important results likely to arise from the late visit to Paris was perfectly true. They cannot help being made invaluable, and it should be our care that these good results be not transient. We must reciprocate good offices, and show Frenchmen that we fully appreciate the value of their alliance. The late excursion party to France, which had excited so much attention, had, as the Chairman ob served, been made use of by him for eliciting and test -1 ing the sincerity of the professions made lately by Frenchmen towards England. It was perfectly true he had done so, and the results were beyond his expecte -1 tion. He had, from being in Paris in January and Fe bruary, a good opportunity of remarking the present state of men's minds on the late disastrous political changes on the Continent, and the felicitous immunity our beloved country enjoyed from the miseries they' en• tailed. He could perceive that there was conviction in the minds of all—even the Red Republicans, as they were called—that there must be something infinitely superior in the British Constitution to what continental Govern ments possessed. No man now attempted to disguise his real opinions that this was so. He never felt so proud of being an Englishman as since the 24th Fe bruary, 1848. The British constitutional monarchy bad been borne unscathed through the wild tempest that swept away many a strong political edifice, hither to considered impregnable. The present univer sal feeling of respectful admiration towards Eng land was a glorious homage to our institu tions. His object in taking the part he did on the late occasion was also to show Frenchmen how little sym pathy our country had with their republican anarchists, who bad been the objects of adulation, by restless dema gogues in England and Ireland, and that his party were very different sort of persons to that body who went over to Paris 'a year ago to compliment the visionary de structives on the mischief and ruin with which they were overwhelming society. When he (Mr. Lloyd) found that France had returned to her senses, and that she had, by a vigorous effort, got rid of those desperate men who had usurped all power, law, and order, and that she had now every prospect of a firm Government, he determined to show his approbation, at least for one of her wise resolutions. As to the present form of the French Government, he, as a lover of monarchical institutions, might, it must be supposed, have objections;. that, however, was no business of any one's but Frenchmen. But, as to the spirit of the pre sent Government, he knew it was as excellent as it was popular amongst all respectable classes. Trade was 1 reviving, prices were going up of all manufactured arti I Iles, the funds were firm and daily rising. This was the time for Englishmen who enjoyed the advantages of being unseduced from a right track, to come forward and offer the tight hand of congratulation to France at her ' progress in retracing her steps. France appreciated the valve of the moral support of the thinking, substantial, middle classes of Britain. It was, therefore, right that , Englishmen should show their approval of the spirit that i now animates Frenchmen. He wished to see many more I such excursion partie,; for, depend upon it, lasting tranquillity (to secure which is the professed object of war) was more likely to be preserved by a little band, 1 accoutred with carpet-bags and umbrellas, than by I one a thousand times as numerous glittering in cuirass ! and armed to the teeth with sword, musket, bayonet, and lance. Mr. Lloyd gave a description of their an precendented reception at Boulogne, where be and his party landed, under a triumphal arch erected for the oc casion, and a royal salute of twenty-one guns—an honour never paid to any before in France but the Suvereign. He described the ate and ball at Boulogne, and ad dresses from the prefects and mayors of Paris, Boulogne, and Amiens, and other places—a grand entertainment given them by the Prefect ( he Lord Mayor) of Paris, where the Prime Minister, the Commander-in--,hief, great officers of state, judges, magistrates of the corpora tion, geLerals and colonels of the army and National Guard, and more than a hundred memb, rs of the Na tional Assembly—in all two thousand guests—attended, on purpose, as they personally assured him, to show the value they set upon maintaining a good feeling with England. He (Mr. Lloyd), as the organ of his countrymen, had, in addresses to constituted bodies, and in conversation with the many distinguished personages to whom he had the honour of being intro duced every day of their visit, endeavoured to show how greatly England desired the well being and tran quillity of France. He was very careful and anxious to explain that his party laid no claim to be considered an organized body, like the National Guards who came over to England last year; his party had no prestige whatever, no official station or specific character, they were simply what in France would be called Association de ions £n fans. This he on all occasions did, as he was tearful, from seeing himself styled every day in the French papers " President de Comitie des .Anglais," " President de la Deputation Anglais," that an erroneous impression had been made. He had made a point in undeceiving the mayor and authorities at Boulogne in his reply to their noble address, and to all the authorities, civil and i military, he had said the same. The good feeling towards England at this moment is altogether wonderful. If he had only the satisfaction of having carried up that ad dress to the Prefect of the Seine, which resulted in the splendid entertainment given them at the Hotel de Ville, when eleven grand apartments, lighted and furnished in brilliancy and richness not to be surpassed at Buckingham Palace, were thrown open for their reception and that of the dis tinguished personages be:had alluded to, invited to meet his party, and where their English ears were delighted and surprised by hearing "Rule Britannia" and " God save the Queen," played by Republicans, and listened to graciously by Republicane, he should feel amply re warded for all the anxiety and labour of the week. Lord Normanby, our Ambassador at Paris, had signified his approbation of what he had done to Lord Palmerston, who had also very handsomely expressed to him his en tire satisfaction at the issue of his undertaking. M Guizot had expressed to him the pleasure he felt at read ing the accounts of the interchange of kind feelings on the occasion. He (Mr. Lloyd) had invited M. Guizot, as a Brompton resident, to give them the pleasure of his I countenance and presence this day; but M. Guizot was obliged to decline from a pressure of occupation, owing, as he told him. to his intention of being in France again in ten days, which every one must be delighted to hear. Mr. Lloyd's account appeared much to please the com pany, who repeatedly cheered him. He finished in re commending all who would avail themselves of the present favourable inclinations of Frenchmen towards English men, to join Mr. Crisp's excursion at Whitsuntide, which he saw advertised, for a better caterer and manager of he vge i never leesh 0 tmeter I,did no with; b t. esides which, a m n r e . x c e r e i r s s p io e n n j o pty y a e r dpr q ß u e e v n . t E l y d addressed d g b e y , a n t h d e o l t t h e e v r . Dr T .W he il m so e n e , t ß in e g v. w J a . s Jo su rn b s s,e gentlemen, and sep4rated at a late hour. OPENING OF THE SHE renntE UNION AND SHItk.:WSBURY AND BIEN Ail RAILWAYS.--The opening of these important ine4, which will be the means of turnishing direct railway communication with the metropolis and the north to a large portion of the population and mineral produce of Shropshire, hitherto without these facilities, is fixed for the Ist of June. The Shropshire Union runs from Stafford to Shrewsbury, thirty miles in length, through a rich agricultural dis trict, at a cost of 500,0001. Ihe opening of the Shrews bury and Birmingham line, being its first section, is from Shrewsbury to Okengate. THE CHAILEY MURDEIL—Our readers will re member that at the last Sussex Assize-s Hannah Sandles was convicted of the murder of her infant child by throw ing it into a well at Chailey, near Lewes, the jury ac companying their verdict of guilty by a recommendation to mercy on the ground of the destitution of the prisoner at the time the committed the act. Shortly afterwards she was respited during her Majesty's pleaitire; and the governor of Lewes Gaol has just received from the Home-office an official notification that the sentence had been commuted to two years' imOsonment with hard laboui, followed by transportation for life. IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN T. HOUSE OF LORDS, May 21. NAVIGATION LAWS, Lord STANLEY (in continuation from our Third Edition) said—His amendments were cons,,nant with the principle of the Government measure, and only dif fered from that measure in some degree. He was willing to: agree in the removal of the restrictions on our com merce imposed by the navigation-laws, but he thought the Government were going too far consistently with safety to the British shipowner, in removing all the re strictions at present imposed on the foreigner, especially with regard to our home and colonial trade. Mr. Hus kisson, in his proposed regulation of those laws, had ab stained from throwing open those branches of our trade to those who from superior cheapness of building and sailing would thus be enabled to meet us in every port and monopolise the whole commerce of the world, and build on our ruin a great preponderating naval power. He warned them that by assenting to the measure as it now stood they were running a great hazard. In that opinion he was supported by all the leading naval and commercial men—all the shipowners and others con nected with shipping throughout the country, who all agreed in condemning the dangerous measure they were introducing, and entreating them not to incur that great hazard, Her Majesty's Government were acting against the sense of the country, and they knew it.—(Loud cheers.) At all events, if they despised that warning and those opinions—if they were strongly convinced that the measure was a necessary one—then, as a prudent Government, they ought not to proceed with undue rashness, giving so opportunity for repentance until too late, but ought to prepare the country, step by step, for such a hazardous experiment. He would beseech of them, as they valued the possession of the carrying trade to the colonies, and to those countries where their supremacy was undoubted, not to be acting against the feeling of the country. For, though he did not deny the respecta- bility of the names attached to the petition presented by the Noble Marquis from Liverpool, he must take the liberty of informing him, that this petition lay for some time in the Exchange of Liverpool, where it acquired the signatures of only 143 members. Now, the petition which he (Lord Stanley) had had the honour to present, was signed by as many as 47,000 persons, of whom 1,470 were members of the Liverpool Stock Exchange, which contained 2,000 members in all. The object of the motion which, on this occasion, he should venture to submit, was not to dispute the prin ciple affirmed by their Lordships the other night.— (Hear, hear.) Therefore, the first question to which he should venture to draw their Lordships' attention would be, whether they would proceed in the first instance ac cording to the mode he was about to suggest, or accord ing to that proposed to them by the Noble Marquis — whether they would at once repeal those laws, and take the chance of what they might afterwards re-enact, or whether, adopting the principles he had to lay before them, they would empower the Crown to grant to foreign powers disposed to make concessions, such pri vileges, on a footing of reciprocity, as it would now be inconsistent with the state of the law to provide. It was true that her Majesty's Government called this a Bill to improve the navigation and shipping of the coun try, and that the first step for that purpose would be to repeal the Act of the Bth and 9th Victoria, c. 88 ; but be proposed to confine himself strictly within the true limits of the title of the Bill. He proposed to amend the law, and to impose restrictions ; but he did not propose to repeal it altogether. The Noble Marquis had charged him with withholding too long a notice of the nature of his amendments. He did not think that that charge was a just one ; for if her Majesty's Government had taken two whole years to consider what should be the specific Acts they ought to propose ; if, after conference with many foreign Powers, they at length came down to Parliament with a measure much altered from that of last year, and if at the last moment, without notice, they found it necessary to withdraw a large portion of the concessions they now proposed to make, and to except from the Bill the whole of the coast ing trade ; if, after all that, the Government found that it was a question in detail, it could hardly be charged against him that, taking certain amendments in detail, he had occupied a space of eight days in dis cussing the question with practical men, as to what these amendments should be. Their Lordships were aware that the navigation-laws of this country made a distinction between articles the produce of Europe and those which were the produce of the other three quarters of the world. He proposed still to adhere to that distinction, but to make such modification in the existing law as should be beneficial to the country in cases where it did not admit of a useful operation. The reason of the distinction was plain, it having been the object of legislation to secure, not only the communication from British port to British port, but also to obtain for this cuuutry the great ad vantage of bringing in British vessels those bulky articles which employed a large quantity of shipping. The law relating to the importation of goods from European ports was less stringent than that applying to the other three quarters of the globe, but as he proposed to relax the one, so also be proposed to relax the other. No goods the produce of Eu rope could be imported into thiscountry from a European port, except either in British ships, or the ships of the country from which they were directly imported. The amendment he proposed to introduce with regard to goods the produce of Europe was one of considerable importance,' as its effect would be to open largely the trade with European countries. He thought it wiser, as well as more statesmanlike, to allow the Government to enter into reciprocal treaties, provided it first obtained from those countries with which it had such relations, a sufficient provision for the interests of the shipping of this country, and by an order in council to grant to such countries as might be disposed to concede equivalents, the right of carry ing on that indirect trade from which they had been debarred. In proposing that system, he laid stress upon the fact that the order in council was to be irrevocable. Then, with regard to the trade with Asia, Africa, and America, he thought it necessary, as he had already stated, that the laws should not be repealed which secured to them the most valuable advantage they possessed, the conveyance of the bulky articles of commerce in the lung voyage. By the I,w. as it stood, no goods could be imported from Asia, Africa, and America, except in British ships, or the ships of the country in which they were produced, or from whence they were imported. Therefore. as the great bulk of the countries in Asia, Attica, and America had no shipping of their own, the practical effect of that navigation law was to vest in their hands the trade of those countries, almost as exclusively as that of their colonies. Her Majesty's Government were about to surrender the whole of it, and to leave the English shipowner to the competition of foreign rivals. Was he in a condition to contend with them ? Let them take the United States, and consider how matters would stand when the Government proposition was adopted, of inviting those countries to free competition with them in Asia, Africa, and America, and their colonies, form ing three quarters of the globe, in which their shipping had a practical monopoly. It was also, he should state, a portion of the present law, that no ship, not even a British ship. could import the produce of Asia, Africa, or America, from any port in Europe. The effect of this was to maintain a direct trade from the places of production to the places of consumption, and to obtain the establishment of the great warehousing system. But he freely admitted that that principle, sound as it was, might be pushed too tar. What he suggested was, to maintain the principle of the law, and yet to admit of exceptions applying to Asia, Africa, and America, as to Europe, to be included in an enumeration of articles. Those modifications were founded on principles of main taining that which was important to navigation, and of doing away with what might sometimes prove an incon venience to trade. As they were about to surrender this indirect trade, he would call their attention to an im portant paper, presented that morning to Parliament, which showed that in the year 1848 the tonnage which entered the port of Liverpool amounted to 1,320,000 tons, of which 800,000 alone were English vessels. If, therefore,: protection were withdrawn, what return from foreign countries could they expect, when it appeared from the - return and from others, that those countries had nothing whatever to give?—(Hear.) The United States, it also appeared from the returns, were rivals whom, if they entered into direct competition on equal terms, they might expect to see acquire a large portion of the trade of the kingdom. To those formid able rivals it was that they were about to throw open the trade of the world, sad that at a time when no de mand was made upon them, when no reason was given to them, nor any necessity shewn.—(Hear, hear.) At all events they ought to proceed with caution, and to proceed, at first at least, on principles of reciprocity. As America had been permitted to get the better of them in the direct trade, so also she would obtain a decided supe riority in the indirect, were this measure enacted. He would not now enter more extensively into the discussion of those resolutions which, in a later stage of the Bill, h e should feel it his duty to propose, but he thought it right to say, in summing up the views which be entertained upon this question, he proposed to maintain the great prin ciples of the navigation-laws—the exclusive maintenance of their colonial trade—to maintain, as far as possible, the advantages of the long-voyage trade and the com munication with those countries possessing no stripping of their their own.—(Hear, hear.) He proposed. to maintain the fundamental p r i nc ipl e o f the navigation laws, but he al proposed her in Majesty,som e c in Council, es absolutely, an should d permitin o h er permissively, s re laxations to be made in favour of countries willing to enter into reciprocal engagements with themselves for the sake of their mutual advantage. He protested against their enforcing principles of retaliation against countries which were not disposed to make conces• 'lions, which they would, moreover, find difficult in practise. Surely the better practice would be to say that the navigation-laws had laid down certain re strictions but that Parliament had enabled them to relax. He need hardly argue that they were discussing th e policy and the justice of securing advantages to their own shipping interests in the results of the change which they were contemplating. Some, as he had heard, contended that his course of proceeding was nut magnanimous; but nations had no business to be mag nanimous. They were to be prudent, and to decide a commercial question on commercial principles. They were to decide whether they would repeal first and re enact afterwards, or whether they would maintain the general principle of the navigation-laws, and authorise her Majesty to dispense with them in certain cases in favour of Chase countries which might be willing to enter into engagements of reciprocal advantages. That was the question which was now before them, and which would fully arise upon the amendment he proposed. Earl GREY was at a loss to say whether it was from stupidity or otherwise, but he was unable to understand the amendment of the Noble Lord. He supposed that the words to be inserted were intended as a sub stitute for the repealing provisions of the preceding clause. The Noble Lord had said that his object was net to repeal, but to make certain modifications in the navigationelaws. But the words introduced by the Noble Lord would nit make sense, unless they omitted the words by which the existing law was repealed. He was desirous to know from the Noble Lord whether he meant, in the event ce his amendment being adopted. to allow the remainder of the clause to continue in the Bill, and the existing amendments to be repealed, and how he would till no the blank that would result ? Lord STANLEY explained that it was his intention to omit the repealing clauses in the second section. Earl GREY—But the Noble Lord would see that there were none in the second section. Lord STANLEY—It was in the first, then. The House would then consider those clauses which he had laid upon the table, and when they came to the repealing clauses he would object, upon principle, to the repeal of those Acts; and he would, in the first instance, take the sense of their Lordships' House upon the question of amen dment in so wide a shape that it would not bind any person to a particular mode; but when they came to those clauses he would fairly lay upon the table a list of the enumerated articles, and each one of them might, if their Lordships thought fit, be made the subject of dis h hear, from Earl Grey.) But he did not that ' those clauses should be laid upon the table ss came to a decision on the principle. eiin°tn.beerfdo(re li their Lordships Earl GREY v. ished distinctly to know from the Noble Lord whether, in that list of enumerated articles, tea, coffee, sugar, tobacco, and cotton, would be included? Lord STANLEY—Every one of them. Earl GREY—That is most satisfactory.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord had told them on Friday even ing last, that it was his intention tin going into Com mittee on this Bill, to propose such an alteration in it as would go to its root.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord prin ciple,e questionl n b t u r o t d o u t c d wt o g a ns r eoet; one the b o u f t a h re word( n c E s p a ol r erl the G a n r d e sy of ) o bwploer Lord would T s , d a l e y wo( that . The now told them that the question was not one of th not make sense. According to all Parliamentary usage, when words were to be intr o d uce d, it was customary to move the omission of certain words for the purpose of inserting those words. Th e N o bl e L or d h a d a ll u ded to their carrying trade in corn, but the Noble Lord would be called upon to explain why corn could only be im ported in a British ship, and why, when ground into imported in any ship. The Noble flour, L or dispense be with the principle of the Bill in certain ds it h migh t ould explain those anomalies. The Noble Lord would enumerated articles. He (Lord Grey) did not think quite the time for discussing the wholehat great question, or of entering very t present en t was mi nutely into a consid erat i on of the question of " recipro city." With rega r d to B r iti s h ships, the tact was that they did not po ssess any monopoly whatever, and it they wanted to brin g corn f rom Danzic, it was a Prussian ship they had most to fear from. Either it was desirable to open that trade or not; and it it was desirable, then they ought at once to remove all restrictions in the way of it —they should remove those restrictions which fettered the trade of their merchants. The Noble Lord had al luded to their indirect trade and warehousing system, but the Noble Lord should take care that by main taining our restrictions he did not jeopardy our Interests in those branches of our trade. He should take car e that by maintaining our re strictions we should not provoke Russia, the Hanse Towns, and other countries, to retaliate against us; for should they, then would our great carrying trade be endangered, and this great country and the whole civi lized world would be the losers. The Noble Lord should not forget the fable of " The Dog and the Sha dow;" and he should recollect that the dog, in trying to grasp at an imaginary substance, lost the actual sub stance he was in possession ot. The Noble Lord should take care that the course which he would impel this country upon would not lead to a similar result. The Noble Lord had also alluded to the trade of the British merchants with America, but he (Earl Grey) would show by a return which he held in his hand that the ad. vantagf s were all against us in our trade with the United States, by the maintenance of our restrictions. Looking at these fact, he would say that if the English were placed on the same footing as the Americans, we should be able to compete with them successfully. He now came to the question of the colonies, and, first, with re spect to Canada. There was no doubt Canada had strong claims upon our sympathy, but what would be the effect of the Noble Lord's amendment ? Why, to give pro tection to America, to the prejudice of European coun tries with whom we were on friendly terms, and all this was done to favour the trade of the River St. Lawrence. But the only way to do this truly was by throwing open the trade of the River St. Lawrence, and getting rid of all the restrictions which existed on the trade of that part of the world. They ought to do all in their power to assist the colonies, the produce of which had now to compete with the productions of oth er countries under great disadvantages. The only way to do this effec tively was by getting rid of the navigation laws. The Noble Earl then proceeded to contend that the Reci procity Act did not produce any g ood to this country, while it tended materially to inju re our colonies, as was proved by the benefit which Martinique obtainedby French and Spanish ships be in g obliged, under existing circumstances, to trade there instead of going in the first instance direct to Trinidad. No one knew the injury of restriction until it had been removed.—(Hear.) This was proved by the article of Indian rubber. Maey years ago this substance was only used by artists, and for very ordinary purposes by the public. Now, since the duty on the article has been withdrawn, it was adapted to a hundred uses with great advantage to the public.— (Hear.) He dissented from the statement of the Noble Lord, that the feeling of the public was against the measure. He, on the contrary, believed that the feeling of the country was in its favour, notwithstanding the efforts made to get up an artificial excitement against the measure. He trusted their Lordships would not re scind the vote they had given in favour of the Bill on its second reading.—(Hear.) Lord WHARNCLIFEE said that he felt it to be his duty to oppose the amendment proposed by his Noble Friend. The Bill proposed to throw open the trade of the colonies, but the amendments of his Noble Friend would close up the trade of all the colonies, with the exception of one. The perplexity of the existing nevi gatiou laws would be increased by the amendments. The Earl of HARROWBY said he thought the true question was, whether they should not first secure reci procity, before they admitted foreign countries to privi leges from which they were now debarred. Aud as there was nothing of value which they could expect in return for their generous relaxation, he thought their Lordships would have no difficulty in affirming the propositions submitted by his Noble Friend near him (Lord Stanley). Earl GRANVILLE said he believed, that though the amendment which the Noble Lord on the cross-oenches (Lord Wharncliffe) had placed upon the paper was in ferior to the proposition of the Government, still he be lieved it to be superior to that of the Noble Lord oppo site. In his own opinion, it was exceedingly unwise to act upon reciprocity treaties; and with regard to those countries with which they were not on terms of reci procity, he 'would ask whether it was wise to throw the whole weight of their navigation law restrictions into the scale against them, notwithstandingj the power they at present possessed of exercising a re taliatoryofpolicy. After illustrating his referring bri e fly to the trading arguments lis h e y clauses with respect to Belgium, France, and Spain, the Noble Earl said he was of opinion, upon consideration e in. n shouldw That, at h a o t r least, constitutede was of these retaliation prin c i p l es , t h at i t was i mpo li t i c to enter into the intermin a bl e spec i a l p l ea di ng w hi c h t h e v proposition of the Nobl e L or d oppos i te wou ld neces sarilyoimtnaerrrienegaea o reason the 20 0,000 nf why ;ecl e rejected. Wh the Great Britain, from what sourc e , h e wou ld as k, were to i they to be supplied, should this Bill be carried into a law? Was it from Norway or Denmark ? Surely not ; nor could it be from the United States, who were obliged to compose their own crews of three-fourths Englishmen.— (Hear, hear.) It had been asserted that the statistics by which it was _sought to support this question had b ee n blown out of the waters by the speech of the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Stanley), and that the speech of the Noble Lord had produced a very powerful impression on their Lord s hip s ' minds. This last assertion was not all disposed to question ; but he could not admit that the Noble Lord had blown out of the waters the case of the advocates of this measure, or that he had uttered one word which weakened its statistical position.—(Hear, hear.) He (Earl Granville) was prepared to show tha the more the figures were knocked about the more ia contestibly did they prove the strength and value of the arguments relied upon by the advocates of this Bill. With respect to Mr, Porter, to whom frequent allusion had been made in the course of this debate, he (Earl Gran ville) felt he would not be justified were he not to make some brief allusion. The Noble Earl opposite (Earl Harrowby) had accused that gentleman of fencing with the question of foreign tonnage, when he was under examination of the Committee. Now he (Earl Gran • ville) had had occasion to look into the evidence of Mr. Porter as given before the Committee, and he must in candour say that he did not think there was the least ground for such a charge. The Noble Earl then de fended Mr. Porter against the charges brought against him in connexion with tonnage calculations relating to this subject. Lord COLCHESTER, who was almost inaudible in the gallery, was understood to , say, that at the present moment we were not able to enter into competition with the United States, because the vessels of those Stites in their voyages carried twice the quantity of hands that British ships did. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said that if, accord ing to the Noble Lord, the present law operated so in juriously, and if the system was so bad, why should they be so clamorous for the continuance of it? The amend ments of the Noble Lord (Stanley), involved an infrac tion of treaties which they had made with other coun tries. It was absurd to say that the present system might be relaxed in the case of one or two colonies that might rtquire it ; but it it was just to grant concessions to one colony, why not grant them to all? The fact was, that a general and comprehensive measure was re quired to deal with the whole subject, and this was that measure. Lord BROUGHAM would make a short statement to justify the vote which lie intended to give in favour of the amendment. The Noble Earl (Granville) depre cated making speeches cn this stage of the Bill, and 3et the Nuble Lord himself made a long speech, not upon the amendment, but upon the whole question involved in the measure before the House. He contended that the use made of Mr. Porter's figures by the Noble Earl (Granville) was nut a correct one—for instance, the Noble Earl arrived at the conclusion that a particular vessel had carried a larger tonnage by multiplying the number of voyages which she had taken. The Noble Lord then referred to a meeting held at Liverpool to support this Bill, and read a resolution which declared that thi s Bill was only the precursor of othe r measures which w e re to s weep away all restrictions. Her e was an avowal of the charactEr of this measure, which war rantad hi m i n oppos ing it. Lord Melbourn e on one occa sion said that the man who thought there ought to be no restrictions, was fitter for a place in Bedlam than for a seat in that House. Hull did not sympathise with Liverpool, as was shown by the fact, that the Member TUESDAY EVENING, MAY' _22 1 1849. for Hull hitnielf, an officer of the Crown, voted against the Bill now before their Lordships' House. There was net a commercial man of consideration in the City of London with whom he was acquainted, that was in favour of the measure ; and the Lerd Mayor of Loudon —as good a Whig as the Noble Marquis opposite—had not supported the Bill in its stages in the Howe of Com mons. He denied also that the majority in the House of Commons respecting this measure, was of such a cha racter as to warrant their Lordships in supporting it. The preposition of the Government being to throw open the whole trade of the country, except the coasting trade, but to give the power of exercising retaliation towards any country which might be found unfairly transferring the trade, and that of the Noble Lord on the cross-benches being to maintain the system under which their mercantile marine had flourished, and their navy having been created, and afterwards to apply a particular system of reciprocity, it became necessary to see whether they were sure of obtaining a return of their concessions after they were made. [The Noble Lord was here much interrupted by the somewhat loud talk ing which proceeded from a group of Members of the other House standing around the throne, and addressed them thus :—" If those Gentlemen who were talking so loud only knew the inconvenience of having to speak above them, they would at once remove to a place more convenient for themselves, and infinitely more convenient for me."] On that point they had sufficient proof that whilst, on the one hand, they would be allowing the Americans to enjoy as much of the trade with the colo nies and the other countries of the world as they could acquire, there was no adequate return to which they could look forward with any prospect of success,— (Cries of "Hear, hear.") He had no question of the superiority of the plan proposed by his Noble Friend near him (Lord Stanley), and although it was said that the only difference between that plan and the one pro posed by the Noble Lord on the cross benches was a difference as to the modus operandi, still, he apprehended the House would be of opinion that that difference in the modes operandi would lead to an immense difference in the general result to the consumers and the community at large. He was prepared, therefore, to support the amendment of the Noble Lord near him, and to vote against the proposition of the Government. Many Noble Lords had been summoned from far and near to assist at the approaching division on this question; but he hoped it would be seen that though absentees could decide the House, they could not decide the Com mittee.—(Hear, hear.) There did not appear to be any pressing necessity for the measure which was thus pre cipitately urged upon the House, but yet the Government were obviously determined on pushing it, although the advantages, its success on the navigation system, its utility, and above all, its claim to general admiration as having given birth to their navy, had been acknowledged by some of the most distinguished men which the country had produced. He would ask the House, therefore, de liberately, what great cause it was that should impel them to destroy this system, of which so many had been justly proud? If they persisted in a resolution to adopt this ill omened Bill, his firm conviction was that they would do irreparable injury to the shipping interest of the country, and cut at the roots the only available means by which their navy could be recruited. For those reasons he should give his vote against the measure submitted by her Majesty's Government. Earl FITZ WILLIAM complained that the Noble and Learned Lord who had just spoken had not sufficiently confined himself to the question before the House, which was far more restricted in its limits than the Noble and Learned Lord appeared to suppose. A large part of his• Noble and Learned Friend's speech had not been ad dressed to the subject immediately before their Lord ships. As to the wisdom of our ancestors shown in these laws, he thought that the argument drawn from their existence for two centuries was no proof of their adaptation to our present circumstances. We had outgrown the age at which such laws could be use ful. But even taking his Noble and Learned Friend's own argument as to defence, he would ask, where was our naval power at the time of the Spanish armada? Was the defeat of that armada owing to the navigation laws? There were many other facts in our history which went to prove that these laws had not had so much to do with our naval power as was generally assumed on the opposite side. Looking at the position of our two islands as compared with the Continent, he might ask, if that power was no; more owing to their physical confor mation and position than to any legislation. Believing, ' as he did, that the naval power of England was not ascribable to the Navigation Act, to the extent assumed by its supporters, he had no hesitation in cordially giving his support to the measure of her Majesty's Go vernment. He looked to the time when by its means we should not only get rid of the restrictions on our com merce, but also provide more efficiently for our national defence. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that the ques tion betore the Committee was, whether it should adopt the very liberal proposals of her Majesty's Government, or the more enlightened and equitable amendment pro posed by his Noble Friend. The Government proposed to repeal certain Acts and parts of Acts, but they were by no means to be confined within the four corners of these Acts; they might at their own caprice —nay, to carry out their policy they would be obliged to import and incorporate the laws of foreign countries with refe rence to shipping, so that with reference to that subject the law would not be found in a distinct Act of Parlia ment, but in a series of orders in Council. This would cause great confusion, and there would be no end of the variety which would be introduced into our legislation as respects foreign states. He thought there were very se sious obj.ctions to doing that by , rders in Council which might as well be done by Act of Parliament. It was an innovation of modern times which they ought to be very careful of sanctioning, except in extreme cases. His Noble Friend was very car. All in that respect. The only discretion he left to her Majesty in Council was to decide upon granting relaxations when the nations to whom they were granted were prepared to concede equivalent advantages, and thus to establish a perfect reciprocity in each case. It was quite incorrect to say that their Lordships were called upon to decide against the measure of her Majesty's Government, but they were asked to say whether, having decided that the naviga tion-laws should be altered, that alteration should be made in a way which would secure to tbis country equivalent advantages in our future relations with foreign states. According to the plan of his Noble Friend, there would be only two codes of laws—the ex isting code, applicable to all nations which refused to deal with us on equal and reciprocal terms, and the new code which would arise from our new relations with the states which agree to such relations.—(Hear.) On that ground he gave it his support, and hoped that it would receive that of their Lordships. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said the Noble Earl had stated that there was no difference between them except as to the best mode of adjusting differences of reciprocity. He utterly denied that it was so.—(Hear.) By the plan of the Government they endeavoured to re move all the restrictions they possibly could, and they kept none but what they were absolutely compelled to. keep; while by the plan of the Noble Lord he kept all the restrictions he could, and gave no relaxations which he could possibly avoid.—(Cheers.) That was the dif ference between the two plans. The Noble Earl who spoke last seemed to apprehend that after this Bill was passed it would be in the power of foreign nations to hamper and destroy our trade by imposing new restric tions upon shipping when in their ports. Whatever might be the imperfections of the Bill, it was certainly not ha ble to the charge of having overlooked that contingency, and he could scarcely suppose that the Noble Earl had read the Bill itself, or he would have found such a state of things distinctly and specifically provided for. (The Noble Marquis read the clause.) It would be seen, therefore, that there was an effectual safeguard in that clause against the danger apprehended by the Noble Earl. There was a great difference between the Bill brought forward by her Majesty's Government and that se lai g d g d es o t w ed n by t th heb e ro N ad obe plrinLcuiprdie. of T h fr e ee G do o ni ve , rn w m h e ic n h t t ß he i y ll believed was the best foundation upon which our com mercial system could be built, and which they also be lieved would be most effectual in promoting the pros perity and strength of our own navy. On the other hand, after having listened with great attention to the plans of the Noble Lord, and the arguments by which he supported these plans, he must say that ho could not help feeling surprised that the Noble Lord, after laying down, as it were, certain polar stars to guide him in making the changes he proposed, and after even sacri ficing his own principles, should have ended by propos ing arrangements which would be utterly inconsistent with the objects he had in view., Take Canada, for in - stance.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord proposed to make a concession to Canada, but did any one who had paid attention to our past legislation, and the growing demands of the Canadian people, imagine they would rest satisfied with that concession?—(Hear, hear.) By the recent alterations in our laws we had given the Canadians a taste of the benefits to be derived from the free navigation of the St. Lawrence, and they would not and equally the attached ttieudtftsenihsriteistrtatimetwhriseasoepfintrweheelhdetsnirh,covahbcettous cusptheanrehll otscirpsueylxi fasetewleodudhi betceyodhrnow rest satisfied till they had achieved complete free dom for ships of all nations on that river. —(Hear, hear.) How was that to be done? Why the Noble Lord said they ought not to favour the United States, but his own plan was all in favour of the United States. Every Noble Lord must see that it was the country of all others which would most immediately benefit by the adoption of the plan of the Noble Lord.—(Hear, hear.) While the Noble Lord's amendment invites vessels of not to be debarred from the advantages and privi si nicLtoCehhouogaeoal ought hd n sd a t tt d e i his e odn a ae s fti , hvcwieheawbsc better amend ment left Canada dissatisfied, and rendered it impossible could be renovated. Re thought the system recom bedttynrhtdehetaebadt object eb t sßj Ci wi a ci Canada teahmidnatu conferred by the Bill. The Noble the Noble Lord opposite. But any system would fall increase the warehousing system of the country, which ought to be one of the great desires of a legis lature. It was said that the Bill had not the general assent of the masses of the people of the country. No measure that had been adopted by Parliament could be said to have the assent of the nib.sses of the people if it were to he gathered from public demonstration and public petitions. The Noble Marquis referred to the petitions presented from Liverpool, and quoted a para graph from a newspaper in the Protectionist interest, to show that great indifference was manifested in Glasgow, where a public meeting was convened to consider the propriety of petitioning in favour of reciprocity, and not more than 100 persons attended, including twelve re porters, and many of those on the platform were uncon nected with the shipping or mercantile interests. He adjured their Lordships, in conclusion, to preserve the spirit and principle laid down in the Bill. Re laxation was the rule, and restriction the exception, of the Government measure, while the amendments of the Noble Lord directly attacked that principle. It was the object of the Bill to increase the commerce of the country, which, when promoted, could not fail to main tain the general prosperity of the country. He hoped that wilitioyer other orgendments their Lordships adopted. they would reject the amendment of the Noble Lord now submit , ed for consideration, which in conjunction with his other proposition, nlirrowed, in stead of extended, the advantages of trade, while it as sailed the principle sought to be established. Thc: sure was necessary fur the welfare of the country the colonies, and to prevent a recurrence from year to year of new demands. Their Lordships then divided, when there appeared— Contents—For the amendment 103 Non• Contents—Against it ... 116 Majority against the amendment, and for the Government ... ... --13 Lord STANLEY said that the principle on which he had based his amendment was to amend the navigation laws; the principle of the Government Bill was to repeal the law. Their Lordships, by a majority, had affirmed the latter. So far, therefore, as he was concerned, he should not offer further objection to the provisions which reps aled Bth and 9th of Victoria, cap. 82. _ Tile House then resumed. The CHAIRMAN reported progress and obtained leave to sit again this day. Their Lordships adjourned at a Quarter to One. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 21. INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL. (Continued from our Third E ition of last night.) The CHAIRMAN suggested that the Hon. end Gal lant Member had better take the clauses in their regular order, and reserve his remarks upon each until it came duly under consideration. Colonel DUNNE thought that he had been pursuing a proper course by statirg, all his objections to the Bill at once, intending afterwards to have lett the question in the hands of the House to deal with as they thought proper. Ho would, however, bow to the Chairman; but he could not conclude without repeating his pretest against this Bill, which was most unjust to Irish pro prietors, and which he believed not one of its supporters could conscientiously say they would apply to England. The real difficulty in Ireland was the detective registry of titles, not in the abstract right of the proprietors, and for that difficulty this Bill provided no remedy. Mr. GROGAN said, the question as to the persons who were to administer this Act was a most important one. The history of Ireland was curious, but it scarcely presented anything more extraordinary in its history than this proposal to dispense with the Court of Chancery, and to plaue the property of the country at the disposal of an unnamed Commission, invested with almost abso lute powers. If the circumstances of the country were so extraordinary as to call for a measure of this kind, it would certainly be far better that the Commissioners should be named in the Bill. By leaving the clause as it stood at present, the Commissioners would be only the nominees of the Government, and he thought that if the House felt there was such a strong necessity for this Commission, it should exercise the privilege . of nam ing it.—(Hear.) It was feared that the Bill would not be efficient in one respect. He feared that it would be too efficient, because the powers given to the Commis sioners were of so absolute a character that not a single owner of property would feel himself safe against the application of a single creditor for a sale. On the other hand, he believed the Bill by itself would be inefficient. They might compel sales, but they could not secure purchasers at a fair value at the same time. Under the circumstances the incuusbered proprietor and his family, and the holder of the mortgages, would be equally damaged by their legislation. This Bill as it stood, unsupported by other measures, would fail to produce any of the effects anticipated by its framers. The ques tion that arose, however, on the first clause was, as he had said, whether the circumstances of Ireland were so extraordinary as to warrant such a departure from the ordinary course, and if so, whether the presiding power might not be beneficially vested with the Lord Chancel lor, and if not: . whether they ought to know who the Commissioners were to be? Sir L. O'BRIEN approved of the Bill in some respects as being superior to the Bill of last year, but at the same time concurring in the opinion of Hon. Members, that they ought to know who the Commissioners were to be. He should divide on the clause it the Hon. Member pressed the question to a division. He must say that the House, in pressing forward these questions, was acting under some delusion.—(Hear, hear.) Their object was to get the estates into the hands of those who owed no money. Why, the persons who purchased were to be empowered to borrow half the purchase money as a mortgage upon them, and when they came to make im provements fresh loans would be necessary.—(Hear.) He thought, therefore, that some more time and consi dera.ion was required with reference to a measure of such importance. At the same time he agreed that in creased facilities were required, and, within proper and judicious limits, calculated to encourage the investment of small capitals in land. He should be prepared to give any such measures his support. Col. DUNNE moved that the Chairman report pro gress and ask leave to sit again until the Commissioners were named. Mr. J. O'CONNELL believed that the people of Ire land approved of this BM as far as it went, and there fore he deprecated any such obstruction to its consider ation as that now proposed. Mr. SADLEIR said the Lord Chancellor and Masters already possessed discretionary powers to dispose of property similar to those enacted in this Bill, and there fore it was no new power which was to be given to the Commissioners. Col. DUNNE said these authorities were bound by certain legal forms which very much tended to diminish the chance of these powers being abused. Mr. HORSMAN hoped that the Hon. Member would withdraw his motion and allow the Bill to proceed. After a few words from Col. DUNNE and Sir G. GREY, the motion was withdrawn and the clause was agreed to, as were clauses 2,3, 4, and 5. — On clause 6, which fixes the salary of the Chief Commissioner at 3,000/. a year, and that of the two other Commissioners at 2,000/. a year each, Mr. HENLEY suggested that in order to lighten the expense of i he Commission they might charge fees. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL objected to the sys tem of fees. The amounts set down iu the clause were net salaries. Mr. GROGAN saw that the Commissioners were em powered to apoint a secretary, and such clerks as they might require. He wished to know whether a valuator was to be appointed under any of these names. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL did nut propose to ap point any valuator. In the majority of cases such an officer would not be required. After some further conversation the amounts were agreed to. On the question that the clause do pass, a conversation arose as to the latter portion, which enacted that the expense of the Commis ion bhall be defrayed as provided by Parliament. Mr. HENLEY suggested that the word "directed' should be substituted for "provided." He did not wane the cost to come out of estimates. The clause, as amended, was then ordered to stand part of the Bill, as were clauses 7,8, and 9. On clause 10, which subjected the Comrhissioners' rules to examination and confi►mation by the Privy Council, Colonel DUNNE moved that the Court of Chancery, and not the Privy Council, should be judges of the rules. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL objected. It the Court of Chancery were named, the proceedings would be de layed and clogged with difficulties. Mr. E. B. RUCHE said that the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman's objection, though apparently to one of the details of the Bill, was in reality against th© principle, and he should give it his opposition. Mr. SADLEIR, in reply to a question from Colonel Dunue, admitted that no land would be sold in Island, except under the provisions of this Bill; and so deeply was he impressed with this conviction, that he intended urging on Government the propriety of extending the Bill to estates not incumbered. Mr. TURNER thought power of appeal against the sales should be given. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said there was no precedent fur such a proposition. Mr. TURNER reminded the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman that such a power was given in the West Indian Compensation Act. Culonel DUNNE withdrew his amendment, and the clause passed. Clauses 11, 12, and 13 were agreed to without dis , eus*ion. Clause 14, which enacts that the orders of the Com missioners may be enforced in Englaud, led to a brief explanation by the SOLICITOR-GENERAL, and ta,sed._ On clause 15, which arms the Commissioners with the jurisdiction of a Court of Equity, the SOLICITOR GENERAL, in reply to Mr. Martin, stated that the Commissioners would have the power of deciding in cases of disputed title. The clause was then passed. Clause 16, which enacts, that when land, or lease of land in Ireland, is subject to incumbrance, the owner, or incumbrancer may apply to the Commissioners for a sale, caused slight discussion. Mr. SADLEIR thought that the owners of unincum , bored estates ought to be permitted to avail themselves of the machinery of the B just as well as the inhe ritors of incumberedestateisll, The SOLICITOR -GENERAL feared that, consis tently with the principle of the Bill, it would be impos sible to adopt the Hon. Gentleman's suggestion. Mr. GROGAN suggested, that instead of all incum brances as stated in the clause, the words "existing incumbrances" should be substituted, as that would do away with the possibility of parties creating incum brances in order to get their properties sold under the Act. Mr. MARTIN considered a clause ought _to be be inserted pre ve nting - parties not fully incumbrr d going to the Commissioners in order to get their - e estates sold. The clause was then passed, as were also clauses 17 and 18. On clause 19 being proposed, which provides that the Commissioners upon application for sale may, after notices and hearing, direct a sale, Mr. TURNER moved that a proviso be added to the clause, to the effect, that no such order for sale should be made unless the incumbrance upon tie property amounted to two-thirds of the value thereof, and also that no such order should be made on the application of a p ar ty whose interest in the estate did not exceed that of the highest incumbrance. TheSOLICITOR-GENERAL objected to such a proviso. Were such added , before a sale cou'd take place they would have to ascertain the value of the pro perty, end in the existing stet , . of Irich landed property that would be almost impossible. Mr. MARTIN supported the amendment. There could be nu difficulty in getting tr. the valuation of the estates, us the urdnance valuation could be had re course to. - C,lonel DUNNE also supported the anac ndment. If the ordnance valuation was not considered complete, the poor law valuation was, and hence no difliently in getting at the valuation. Mr. TURNER was in the hands of the Mouse, b u t be ..~ thought tie additional proviso he had proposed was re. quiff d to make the measure effectual. Sir L. O'LRIEN lisped that his Hon. and Learnel Fri, would not press th e fi rs t p ar t o f t h e proviso, an d that her i\eljeste's Ministers would allow the second part to be inserted without any division. Mr. TURNER said he had no objection to the gig' geetion ot the Hon. 'Baronet, and that all parties might be satisfied, he would alter the words " two-thirds of the value thereof to one-half," which alteration, he consi &red, could not be opposed by the Solicitor-General. After a few words from Colonel DUNNE, the Cony mittee divided, when there appeared— For the proviso Against it Majority.. —s7 Clause 19 was then agreed to. Clauses 20 to 34, inclusive, were then agreed to. Clause 37 was then agreed to. On clause 38 being proposed, which provided that order for a sale under this Act may be made, neswith• standing pending suit or decree for sale, Mr. MONSELL suggested that the Commissione rs should have the power to take the initiative in the cases ot bankrupt estates before the Court of Chancery. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said the object of the Bill was to sell incuu.ber, d estates on the application of the parties. The lion. Member (Mr. Mansell) swished to make an exception, but he (the Solicitor- General)lot te of opinion that in the class of estates to which the 1: 1011 ; Member had allude.l, applications for sale eould all likelihood be among the first made. After a few words from Mr. SADLEIR, Col. DllO5, and Mr. TURNER, the clause was agreed to. On clause 39 being read, The soLicirou. GENERAL said ho was williegt° accede to the suggestion of an Hon. Member to add It few words to the clause, enabling the Court of Chancel' to appoint a receiver to an estate during the perio d pending the sale. Mr. SADLEIR hoped the Hon. and Learned Solicitor' General would reconsider his preposition, as he (M r ' Sadleir) thought that nothing was more detrimental property than the appointment of a court receiver wll ° was invested with power to manage an estate. n e t therefore, hoped that the control and management,of 0 estate would be placed in the Commissioners. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought the objection of the Hon. Member (Mr. Sadleir) had some weight; and be would, therefore, leave it to him to propose 1 , 11/ addition to the clause on the bringing up of the reper" The clause was then agreed to. On clause 40 being read, Mr. MONSELLsuggested that there should be a PO!! given for the partitioning of unineumbered as well incumbered estates. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL was of opinion that t ° give a general power to partition would be stepping h e : yond the bounds and objects of the Bill, which were limited to incumbered estates. The clause was then agreed to. Clauses 41, 42, and 43 were next agreed to. On clause 44 being proposed, Colonel DUNNE objected to the clause, on the grou ° ,, that no appeal was allowed without the consent of tP" Commissioners. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said it was desirable that all pretences for delay should be avoided, and ther e ,. fore it was that the Commissioners were invested el' summary power. Mr. MARTIN said a case might arise i n which the a Commissioners might decide upon the r i g ht s of party in his absence, and which deci s i on m ight e' highly prejudicial to his interests. It was, therefol desirable that in such a case the power to appeal sho w be absolute. Mr. TURNER said the clause was contrary to eel/ principle of law, and particularly of the West 'vi l Compensation Act; and the effect of the entire would be that estates would be bought up by joint-stet companies. In his opinion an appeal ought to be P e ': mitted, as in the West India Compeniation Act, witho e ' the consent of the Commissioners. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL replied that in ! e h ! Act alluded to not a single appeal was made that 1 ° - Commissioners did not at once accede to. Mr. R. WOOD said they were providing e n oar ordinary remedy for an extraordinary evil, and if s ue ' lay of one or two or more years occurred, it would Pr e ,: vent the practical intention of the Bill being carried in to effect by vexatious appeals. 'I he clause was then agreed to, as were the renialli ieg clauses, and the House resumed. 'Dm CHAIRMAN reported progress, and the reP °rt was ordered to be brought up on Thursday. repo rt A messenger from the Lords brought up the of several Bills, which were agreed to. PARLIAMENTARY OATHS BILL. of On the motion of Sir G. GREY, the third reading be the Parliamentary Oaths Bill was fixed for Monde'' , t 11th of June. LANDLORD AND TENANT BILL. On the consideration of the Landlord and Tenant It t as amended, Colonel SIBTHORP moved that the Bill be put og for six months. The motion was, hoWever, withdrawn. Mr. MULLINGS moved the followin —" After section 7 to insert the following clauses—eo, and with a view of preventing or lessening the evils the right to emblements, as well as the 1055 and injil to tenants holding under landlords having limited in', g .ainendments: terests, be it enacted, that where the lease or tenen e c i of a farm held by a tenant at rack rent, shall determine the death or cesser of the estate of any landlord entitled for his life, or for any other limited terest, the tenant shall continue to hold and vg/ t cupy the farm until the expiration of the then wil e ; ' year, and shall then quit upon the terms o f hi s l e ase e; holding, in the same manner as if such lease or t e nant/ r were then determined by the tffiuxion of ti me or oil; lawful means, during the continuance of his landlor d o w s estate, and the succeeding landlord shall be entitle d recover and receive of the tenant in the same manne r „ his predecessor could have done if living, a fair proP ° :j lion of the rent for the period which may have elan from the day of the death or cesser of the estate of el predecessor to the time of the tenant so quitting, and, t e i succeeding landlord and the tenant respectively shebe e d between themselves and as against each other, be entit: be to all the benefits and advantages, and be subject to ' c i s restrictions to which the preceding landlord a nd el l eog , tenant respectively would have been entitled and 0 1 4 0 0 in case the lease or tenancy had determined in Met e a aforesaid, at the expiration of such curr en t y e ar. ;Pio be it enacted, that in case the growing crops 01 be . tenant of any farm shall be seized and so ld by an), e ; e e riff or other officer, by virtue of any writ o f fi e ri to or other writ of execution, such crops shall, so logo the same shall remain upon the farm, be liable tO .IOO I rent which may accrue and become due to the /a u by after any such seizure and sale, and to the remedie e ge d distress and otherwise for recovery of such rents L e s that notasithstanding any bargain and sale or iiii s T c h ment which may have been made or executed of l" crops by any such sheriff or other officer. Mr. PUSEY said he must leave this proposed Ls e r l. to the consideration of the legal Members of the e e be • Mr. HENLEY said he thought the clause won't , „if great improvement, and it might be very legitini e ` comprised in a Bill of this sort. The amendment was then agreed to. a The Bill was then agreed to as amended, and ora c l e to be read a third time on Thursday. "THE CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. e e. This Bill was read a second time, and, after a fe W be serrations from Captain PECHELL, was ordered to reported on Friday next. PASSENGERS BILL. on The Passengers Bill went through Committee forma, and the report was ordered to be brought 1 1 1 ) Thursday next. o f, The other orders of the day were th en disposed and the House adjourned at Eleven o'clock. 0 On Sunday afternoon, a little a ft er t wo o ' c lock, tbe several companies of the 46th Regiment, led 1 4 1 0 band, were proceeding down London -road to St. $ l Ol3 O Church, a spirited horse in a car belonging to d a d Ly on took tright, it is supp ose d, a t th e mus ic, A of dashed through the ranks of the s o ldi ers an d a cr ow'. persons who were following the troops. One of the s toero geants and a corporal belonging to the regim en t and 00 i boys were knocked down and seriously hurt.—Lit' er r Albion. A. eery TUB " GYMNETRUS NORTIIUMBRICUS." s od of curious specimen of a genus of fish, little kno wn ' es t e rclal which few specimens have been exhibited, was 3 1 nt i e gten submitted to the inspection of a number of go to connected with the science of natural e n de rshistory, Wcrs those who feel interested in the more a st b r s e t e r t u . se 0 The sP e. of nature, at the Cosmorama, gI! cinuen is one of the finest ever t: R il w li e b h i i t e t e - h d, i r is d i p s ; e i s n e d o e e t li unique, both from the manner in 'capture. It is about t: 0 nearly three feet in the and from the fact of its recentres feet in length and measures has a sort of crest upon !P r widest part of the girth. h ea d resem bling feutabtehretheanldowtewro jaw. ong T na o r d ro es w er r:i do would be rather a difficult task, fi lj g rate fish technically wouldandunderstood llet ;a 400 . hardly be by °l) 't rather antenna, d wituralists. It will therefore be stuu'' 0 P p l u w b u licttention to it, but processed " s o to clinic such a description beneath judge for t h em selves of its natu re. ° [A DVE RTISEMENT. - j —A Bruis e d root C u r e d , t A m putation of the Toes Prevented . b y Holloway's ()int m 6 o er U and Pills. — Mr. Oliver Smith J en ki ns, Falkirk, w h en 6 relf intending the erectio of a rail way b r id ge, had his f oo t seie tb o b r uised by the falling of a heavy stone. Apprehending ol ue s erious consequences w ou ld result from it, he consulte d !, io s of the most eminent su rgeons i n Edinburgh, who inform ed . P re , that to effect a cure two of his toes must be am putated , c ee fusing to submit t o thi s h e returned to Falkirk, an d con r e f it using Holloway' s Oi ntment and Pills, and, miraculous 7 :1 - io may appear, these invaluable medicines healed his foot, s P s o ld three weeks he was enabled to resume his employmeht•Lraentt by all Druggists; and at Professor H o ll oway ' s Establiw -244, Strand, London. DIED n ish; On the 17th in s t an t , at N o. 14, Chapel-place. Ca ve- ; (1 , 13 0" square, Maj o r Th omas M aynor, late of the 26th Reg Madras Native Infantry. A I, Od et At New Zealand, i n t h e 2 6t h year of his age, Al Wynne Aubrey, second son of Colonel Harcourt Aubrey, Lrinerly of the Royal Regiment of Horse Ci e " (Blue •. tba On the 17th inst., at her residence in Shrewsbu r ci o flon. Loui2a Ann, relict of Lieutenant-Colonel l e er , Knyvett Leighton, and fourth daughter of Viscount Duneraile. Le fiig On the I;',th inst., of disease of the heart, Marcus Bill, EA , ag-d 58. of t l/6 On he ,'Oth inst., at Bishop's Stoke Rectory, wi fe Very Rev. the Dean of inchester, aged 68. fJA II1 e 5 On Friday, at Edgbaston, Warwickshire, the lady 0 Haywood, f. sq., of a daughter. On the i 6th inst., at Leeds, aged 78, Rebecca, n nIY Z viving daughter of the late Mr. John Robinson, Par k•sq' Leeds. ; RTSO of London ; Printed and Published by MURDO igt No. 112, Strand, Printer, at The Sun Office, 'lt s , a Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, in the 0,""'" Middlesex, Zionday. /iv 22, 1849.