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difeC i ig • e ould• itnes7 [ivhou Ise o h° Ltia that that I.le vt h i syou' t derati°: °lle • that he clulitte4 , o i at D° . Itre3te r nose r s holl ming te h s c se 05 , Per e he ine to 5 na' t i ale V r il p o ~ee been 0 ) ipplY r ble and a sou f°,` ,at is 000 6 c court pc cuw a ;ase l' a ho ds, s ° `; ‘ , .ding Ellis Cou3" opit ii°P liouies7 ch t" • q"lie s: Wl'' E, L IILi" Ler./ hod • wv i,grk A ' le 11.3 . 4 ; if 1 i n ter' she ll° ee I to' ,II:d a s t le ' to 9 °U r ot f° r t ;aid - oad 3 1 s teP - Abe r ea : g ; , as teil t ,14Qta Castlereag, • ,the, subject ; but Of my own act . h upon granted the passport, without the immediate 01):;:lacetricoef to I,odo o rd so. It is the constant v *El I have not, received instruc • s from- Lord Castlereagh, ce.. any other per- • ` Qtl, respecting the granting of passpoits to per st?4s who h a d attended as witnesses. At the ~n lle the - passport was gran t e d I k new f rom the t ` i ew sPa p ers, awl from my gerieral.knowledge of ~:- events of the day, that Rastelli .had been f , '; ',, ain bletl, as a witness ; hut I ' knew it from no ...ler source • It was granted, .I believe, on the 1 I .Lh of Sept; Mher. N ,•, -u + , ° 3' o o. know whether Rastelli was charged ti 1:,,,", dispatches from the Foreign Office ?—Cer- T:Y, not from the Foreign Office. tn ' a You know of any passport being granted to 4 t c ,°orier f or th e purpose of. bringing back Ras to •, --- I know' that passpo r ts have been granted ow et uer .couriers, but 1 do not know, from my n i i • . I, non ledge, for what object. .1 3 ,, v °r ,d LAN.snowN.—ln what capacity aid Mr. po rt ..e it aPply at the Foreign Office for the pass of Rastelli ?---As an agent on the part of the Frosticution„certainly. ~P0 4 , ,° r, 1 D ArtiaNG•rox.—Do you know if Mr. .1• 0 ` 1 !-"•i. made arty application at the same time t t liPsPorts for anv one else to go with Ras -1.,•1 think certainly not. v on °rd 11 AltICLi..y.—Has.Mr. Powell applied to 4 ii, at any oth er ti me f or pass p or t s f or an y o th e r -',.e witnesses to go away ?—Cer%.:ainly not. l l o , qe re You acquainted w i t h th e O r d ers o f this ovetrespectina the witnesses at the. time you - tue efr Passport • ) I was aware of the circurri •44 rt 0ni ew.. 7 .11 its. notoriety but I. knew nothing of r , Th 1 Y- voi e '., -4 °ao. CHANGiLLOR asked whether the A•sei at thella r desired to suggest any question. the '..l3 'tOuGii t.‘i begged their Lordships to put „coll o . i t , " , 4.-t ' *, "..g questions : . . thii hr . ''sb td know whether Mr. Powell said any N. 4. h e ' s e to the witness respecting Rastelli's t hat - e c k ?----A.. As far as I recollect, he said Curti lock was 'the most proper person to re and, 4 16 1 ,,,.._,5ati5f y the families of the remaining b o . ‘ , 44. ' telt b"." r ecollect any thing else "saidabont R ; as- I rretie,r e, grog back other witnesses with him ._ • b o :,'",er nothing else. 4) , oliti o - ' t ne witness recollect Mr; Powell's , havini 4 'd o -tie d Rastelli's examination to the w itness : IV 'wt. Ulf le.( there any persons present besides your frett}illell Mr. P owe ll • came i n to your O ffi ce to l 'er e - I ,l ) asspurt for , Rastelli ?—lt is likely there ti li s ,,, uu t 1 am not able to - state positively if ~,- o re, or who they were, if any. kli admitted . " 4 " 4 " . that other cour i ers have lat a Sent r• 4 . - 0 Italy by the agents for this Bill, • .t c= l- I.4‘ t ‘ ‘i as the earliZst . passport granted after flow, of of September :—.L cannot tell. the Iht, * soon. Will you undertake to say after t oi- t} ° : f S eptember ?—I really do riot know ; 11) a ti.s a, t. I d o not keep t h e b o ok s; I have no o r L I ~ i ' . Nliowing but from memory., • able 2 t is ' l to know how it happens that you are port -° f • i r ecollect to the very day when the pass ttilit' o c ' t; k tastelli was granted, and yet have no re bitlat -.," as to the others is - -In consequence of I . l '' 43 ed h ad: observed .in the newspapers had all, la this II ' I caused the person offici ,,, J 4 ct - (Rise, 'ldc b it 'g to look out the dates in the bOokS last Tr ay ; I knew nothing about it. t ' k i °4l,l tlttounnm reqUested their Lordships ii'!... s tin s ° so l tr Mr. Planta to ascertain the dates of 1 ` k ' - 's granted at the Foreign Office. to ,tt l it.. e ,. t , ; couriers sent over. e ,., 0 1•! (j i r k "; ° , 111 ) CIIA'NcELLOR directed Mr. Planta ; 4 . w g i 'Y to ascertain the dates. 'tlitr i . ` . mess then withdrew.—Counsel having 1. 01 . - V o yn, tr43 tio o i.' 4lol .A.avO N rose and said he had now a e l ,„ .. 0 , . t; ' VQSj t' ' ll ° l lllt, to which he did not expect any '44„,,,,1". would be made. The object of his mo- I P e cti n -s- t° call . upOn•Counsel for\an opinion re t:e'taloi= th eir own case ; an opinion which he ; 1 1 E4 ki 3t the nght their Lordships were justified ii,,. f u e 2li on i a ' a nd the Counsel were entitled to give. `J •"t•tl t rove that Counsel be called in and in.. "ti • r, % 1 ) 01 l at it appeared from the testimony of 4 • 411 1i v ell. that Rastelli had been sent abroad on 4t h lCl ltl a S t ('r 4 V , i ee : and could not attend that House ; :;:sehte-I,eY should be asked, whether, in the wit! o f that witness, they were prepared to go f The I t an Y other part of their case." -or" 4.4 0 , r, and said , that be lt ti t P t .-• kAIA.NCELLOR rose _ ih °4 i the motion of the Noble .Lord to the -. 0 , ,e, -L e f . 'Cr lar,, e . fe lt himself called upon, in the faithful t11 Fag5 ,,,, • 4 0 - ° `,.‘ l , l is duty, to put their Lordships in d e - .1 oi,i n e , ° ,.lis sentiments on the question which tip't'oe. ~,,,-I.ord had presented for their consi to hi s Ile rrat, however, before he entered v' t 'lle -11°"1- sentiments, express his surprise t1,,, 1 11e rn 4 9 . beard no reason alleged in support W t hoo s .„ °t : °ll of the Noble Lord. Although 1 0 ' in C - ; n : 144 a perfect right to call her Ma 4,,t4etz, ' l se' to the Bar, and put this question Q,) 4 1:et- after they had asked, as they had it e ' lv ti lin e d! s a t elli should be called to the Bar and cr. as d .nd that Rastelli was not forthcoming, 'lf • (!cid to i l tr iot . et ilY of opinion, that the further part ti;ilq i . L lO . ought not tnbe put. He would state ti. ("et 6 iPs the - aroands of his opinion. If ,'"lt p tr 'el at- -lie Bar, • , informed ' - ( . 1. t -' - ast Q l i s ' B,ar, after being . 11 or a l . ' was o , it of the country, thought pro of er.....:• ' t o ,' •e. sent to their LOrdships, that they could J: It : . Q 1,,,, th i , itio 1 tntlY with the safety of their client, I , l) l er def ence l 'th °I-Itid e , i t would be their Lord tilt,. 44 4 ,, n doty. to call upoittlie Counsel -on to, 'l ‘itqt 4 ' ° State their reasons, the, one for it :14:..ctuch a-course necessary, and the other ,t,4411.41 o'g0 'g t" it• And having heard both sides, Ir e si l eo he their .1 dI • - 'bu - iness . to pro 'l,,, ~ .. le i,. • • . 4or s lips s , l iii c i tt s 'lot l i d b°l'vn opinion whether the. Proce.ed st,,t},a4 thi s ' suspended, or should go op. I n t 4.'_ l3l iiii; - :, c° __Ptt : stheir Lordships wo uld be , • , t,,, :i 7re ~,t a‘ ,l _ rri . ost dangerous precedent ; for . if I ,c )n ; (2 o t i n s l u bsfied that any Court could call ty' t) ? * Oulu t : ° give an answer to such a• ques -11 r 4 itsi.• 'lllPose upon that Court the neces tltttthi azi s i ::g the Counsel what were his reasons 1ei,,,t,41 p ut ! Is .he might think fit to make to the 'Qiiitn varl ") et hi . rn ; and it was impossible, from .. Y oi human Mnts, that there barona. master. should not be some future parts of a Counsel's case' which it might be his most sacred duty to withhold. If they thought proper to interpose, ' and ask the Counsel's reasons, they must give him full credit for having looked to all parts . of his case, and most faithfully consulted the interests Of his client. 'lt was impossible for their. Lord ships to act on the opinion of Counsel. His opi .nion was that it would'be . a most dangerous .pre-, cedent ; and he apprehended it was hiS duty to govern his own conduct by his conscientious judgment. He should take the liberty of moving, under this • explanation, as an amendment to the Noble Lord's motion, that the words " be asked if there was any other part of their case they could proceed with," be . left out, and that they be informed " that it remained With them .to make any application' they thought fit to the Court." The Earl of Ltvcaroot suggested - the omis , "lion of the words " upon public service." Lord HOLLAND applauded the course prOposed to be adopted, which 'he said was extremely li beral, but it struck hirn, at the same, time, ,as an extremely unnecessary • one, ; inasmuch as the Counsel had already ascertained the fact which the House was so - anxious to inform them of. The Earl of LtvEneoOL . suggested theintro duction.of words-expressing that Rastelli, was: detained abroad by illness, and that measures had been taken to bring about his return to .this confitry. • The Marquess‘of LANsbOwN said, that fact had merely . appeared upon the evidence of Mr. Powell, and he thought it was too Mud): to call'upon the House to recognise it as a fact - upon such slight grOunds. . . . The motion, with the *LORD CHANCELLOR'S amendment, being agreed to; and Counsel called to the bar, The LORD CHANCELLOR obServed, .that he might dispense with the 'necessity of telling the COnnSel the decision of the'House ; for although nominally absent, it must be obvious to all, their Lord Ships that . they were in a situation' to.know all that was going on as well as.their : Lordships. Mr. BROUGHAM tliOi addressed the House, and said, that the application lie had to . make to their- Lordships'whs, that th 4 would be.pleased to adjourn for a short apace of time (five mi nutes,) whilst he took the opportunity - of consult ing with his Learned Brethren on this 'most portant juncture of their IllustriousClienf's case. The Loll)) CHANCELLOR said, the House would grant any time that might be thought.necessary. • The House was accordingly adjourned for a quarter of an hour till two o'clo"ck. - At two o'clock the HoUse resumed, and Coun sel re-appeared at the Bar. Mr. BROUGIIAM.—" My Lords, the eitraor dinary circumstances under which - we are placed, and the insuperable difficultie4 by which we are surrounded, render it impossible for us to announce that we have formed any determination as to the future course we may follow, more than to E ay, that we shall to-day pursue a little further the line of examination in which we haVe lately been engaged." FtrArpo POME called in and sworn. Examined by Dr.L6titNoToN.-,--Q. In what part of Italy do you usually reside ?—A.. At the How long have. you resided. there is my own parish, 35 Yars.• In the place,. where I work by day 14 years. Is the Barona the name of a parish is. Have you resided in the house at the Barona where the Princess of Wales resided ?—lt is 14 years since I have dwelt in that house. Do you remember her Royal Highness residing in that house ?—Yes I do, by day and by night. What are you by trade or profession ?—A car penter. Do you know Giuseppe Rastelli ?—I do. Was Giuseppe Rastelli in the Queen's ser• vice ?—Yes ; he was a courier. Do vou know Louisa Dumont, who was chain• bermaid in the Princess's service ?—I do. Do you remember in the course of last year Rastelli coming to the house at the Barona do remember. By whom was Rastelli accompanied ?—Ras elli came together with the son of the head Was Dumont with Rastelli at that time?— Dumont came half an hour after in a carriage, with another person. Wereßastelli and Dumont, at that time in the house together i—They were. . What did you see Rastelli do on that, occasion ? —I saw them make a little drawing up stairs. Did Rastelli, upon leaving the house, offer or give you any money ? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL submitted that that was a leading question. • . Mr. DENMAN said it ought to be a leading question, because it was asked for the purpose of contradicting the statement made on, oath by Rastelli. The Vestion repeited.-4le asked me whe ther I had received presents from those persons who had come ; I said no. lie afterwards made me a present. • To what amount made me a present of 40 francs, or two Napoleons. Did Rastelli say any thing to you respecting Dumont when he gave you the money ? Tile .AVTORNEY-GENERAL again objected. The Loan CirANctr.r.oit said, that Dr. Lush ington would find in the evidence that Kastelli had not teen asked whether lie had given any one money, but whetherlie had given money to - anyone to give evidence against the Princess—. The question must be put accordingly.. Dr. LtiSHlNGTON—Ceitaitily, ray.. Lord. My question will lead to that'effect. • Did Rastelli offer you any money, to come,here as a Witness ?—Re did offer me . another day. But on that day he offered me not. It . N Vas not on* that day, but he told.me if I.had any thing to .. 'say against her Royal Highness I should receive a great present. . • When was it that he . I old - you j . cp .L l: ceive this greirt present, if you had any thing to say against her Royal Highness ?--No ; I have said. I had .nothing to depose against her Royal Highness. - I had nothing bzwidy!butlik - elfof her. State, as nearly as you can, the exact: words of - :Rastellir when be 'told N ..that-ybulshould liaye.this great present. if ;you had any..thing to depoie - :against the Princess ?;—He told",4nse— Poine, if you like you may make yourself a man. I asked .him, In,what manner? Ile saic4 :you who have always.lived in this house ;by day and night, may have something to depose against the"Priu cess. I said, I have nothing to depose' against that-Lady, who has always done a great deal of good. :Was - Pumont present , on that occasion ?—She was not. Did Rastelli, , at thetime. he made that offer, mention her. name to you?— The ATTPRNEY-G ENERAL . objected to this question. Lord- ERSIcIN'E understood that it liasthe in tention of the Learned Counsel to prove. that Rastelli was.not.only au .-agent, but a most pro fligate and corrupt agent, and it was now neces sary, in order to discover to what extent that corruption had _operated, that whatever he said should be given in evidence. ' • The LORD CIIANCELLOR. stated, that this evi dence could only. be properly received , in ,conse quence of Rastelli not being present. That . being the case, he-could not consent. to r.-fuse evidence which might :have . been obtained- if Rastelli had been at hand. to be called: to the Bar. • . The. question was then repeated.. Did Rastelli, at the time :he made you that offer, mention Dumont's name to you ?—No ; be cause, it was a few days after that he had with me: this .con versa tion . • Dr. LusnisoToN.—lt is plain that the - witness has not understood the question. , The SoLiciTon-GENERAL.protested against al lowing such questions to be put, which, he con tended, could not be permitted if Rastelli was personally at•the Bar. It had been said that in consequence oflii3 absence, the House would allow his . Learned.Friends to go into a line of examina tion which could .n:ot take place if •he had been present: .•lie submitted that it was competent for the House or his Learned Friends to postpone the proceedings until•his return.• But it appeared to him.da.ngerous to allow the witness at the 'Bar to be examined, when he knew that Rastelli was not in this country to contradict his evidence. • The LORD CHANCELLOR.—How - doesheknow it? The SOLICITOR-6 ENERAL , did not positively assert that the witness at the bar knew of Ras= telli's- absence, but if he had been, in a-situation of knowing it, it might have , a great effect oon the evidence he mighrgive. As to saying that Ras telli was convicted of having' suborned witnesses, there were as yet no proofs that he stood in that situation. He had denied it on crath,.. and others had equally sworn to his doing it; but he sub, mitted whether it was proper for any person to ssy,. before the whole evidence had been' heard on both sides, that Rastelli was a ccirrupt and profligate• witness. He thought the lTestcourse would be for his Learned • Friends to apply to the House to postpone the present proceedings until after Rastelli's return. Mr. DENMAN apprehended that under the cir cUrns-tances of the case, as :the absence*of Ras tern was occasioned by no fault of their's, he and his Learned Colleagues were not bound to make any application to their Lordships to postpone the proceedings, but were free to pursue the .course which they originally intended.' He heg-' ged leave. to assure their 'Lordships that that course had been adopted in the full confidence that Rastelli was in this country, and might be called to the bar,.-when wanted,-as - - Majocci and Carrington had been. So firmly convinced were they of his being it hand to appear, that theyhad actually. called the present.witness to the bar be-. fore they had ascertained that Rastelli had been sent away. The course which they were now put: suing was, he contended, consistent with the strict rules of law. Rastelli having sworn that he had been no agent to the. Milan Commission othewise than as a courier,. and that he had never offered money to any individual to become a witness, they under took- to prOve that -he- had done so ; and the an-. saver .to the question 'now. put to the witness at the bar would show, by reference to the name of Dumont,. that he had made such applications and 'offers. . Mr. DENMAN • defended the relevancy of the question:; the answer to whicir . would shew that Rastelli- made an.ofrer of money to the witnesses. It was competent for them to call. the attention of the witness •to what passed between Itastelli and 'Dumont,- because it was' matter - to 'bring home conviction •, to Itastelli. They 'stood on their right to shew the . statements'of Itastelli were. false; - he was the agent of the pr9secutors, and the ' Queen's - Counsel ought in justice' to be allowed to provethe extent' of that agency. The Lonn CHANCELLOR ordered the question and answer to -be read. They were accordingly repeated by Mr. Gurney: The A.TTORNEY..GEXERAL,III`repIy, contended that the 'question :Could not be - put, fOr'the rea— son stated by the Solicitor-General. His Learn ed Friend, Mr. Denman, had said this man, RaS te'lli, stood in the 'situation of an agent for 'the 'prosecutors, and , that 'his evidence was to be taken to be false. lie denied'that Rastelli waS a general , agt , nt ; his ag,eneY• went no further than procuring witnesses - to. -attend before "the Milan Committee. • There - -Was' no -4.97idenee. •to prove he brought witnesses to. this .Conn try. ' It. had been asked - who wag' the proge ' cutor ? In 'every criminal case . the public -W ere . prosecutors. But how stood the . 'case here ?—. Rastelli had been examined at their •Lorclit l ip s , ,Bar, and' he had , diiio'sed 'that -he 'Nva ,., s r ! q n Z l CZ e nf as a courier to get witnesses before the m rnittee: He vas-asked :if - he - ever offered rtiOn'ek: to any witness to 'coine'•to their - Liirdships' 13 a i., .: And h,e . said 4 C. 'NO I h a ve - not.'''' ' Was' that proved to be a false assertion ?' It "wni kno t .. With respect to his 'conversation with-othet Ijf.. , sous, and his declarations,' to others;:Ahey could. not.be.heard , :He conjured their Lottls,bip§ not to allow a course of proceeding to be followed which was at variance with all the rules of law, When they proposed •to 'call Jiack Rastelli . , yes terday, no specific 'question was to be put to him. He •:was to be examined as Other witnesses are, under 'similar . CirChinsta'n ces ; and if 'they had tied •.him as their witnesi they could' not Lve a4ed llim a single toestion respecting conversations with Dumont., If such 'queStions...had beep put,. _his Learned Friends would' frave "gone beyond all the rifles and botindatieS of 'e - Vidence.. 'lf they pad called Rastelli to the Bair, they could net, i ha.ve asked- hiin . .one 'question fia.ving the' . same ten dency as' that .propohnded. Ile was ready "to O mit' tiri the - full eXtent the impropriety ?f, 14 . 5-telli telli being EtbSBIII, l imit that accident co u ld _not wal4ant their LordShipS in . a deParture frnal 411 the rules of tali. ' The Counsel . for .I.ior Majesty might have asked-fo r d e l a y i , and, if t, was not asked Ttir,theY . certainly ought not to be Placed in 'a 'better 'situation than they would have sto9d in, had . Rastelli been here. lie entreated - , their Lordships not to come to a' concluSion upon'the conduct of • Ristelli before they heard the evi dence on, the one side and the other. Whatever might hav e bee n . the conduct of Rastelli-,-7-wha.t evertruth or falsehood there might be in the pre amble of the Bill,—their Lordships would come to no'conclusion before the case for the,Defend ant was closed. ' He concluded ; by . inbrnitting that the question could:not be put.' The 'Earl of LIVERPOOL said; he certainly did think that Rastelli being absent, the,other party ought not 'to be deprived of 'the advantage to ; be derived from any question which might have 'been put, in case Restelli had been present. The Loan CII,4NCLOR intimated that this was one of those allowances to' which her Majes ty's Counsel ; were e ntitl e d, f rom th a t act of the .Agent for' the Bill, by which they were deprived, of the benefit of _examining Rastelli, at the.mo,. ment they thought best for the object they had in view:. It did seem to hiM that the Coun sel for the defence bad . call e d Rastelli as an evi dence in.chief; btit allowing that'they had, he would not say that they might not have had the option of changing their call, • and, examining him in the *ay of cross-examination.,' The objection was overruled, when the witness was recalled, and the examination resumed by Dr. LuSHINPTON. Where did this second} conversation take place ? It took place on a morning that he called on me, and we ,went to the inn together. Did : he then make any offer, or promise of money to you, to become a witness against the Queen, and in what words, as nearly as you can recollect' He told me, if you have any thing to depose against her Rpyal Highness, now is the time. You will become a great man, and receive A great pre sent. We" went to the inn together, talking, and dined there. Dia he, when he spoke of. your getting a great present, mention the name: of Dumont ? Yes. Did'he mention the name - of Dumont with re ference to any offer ofponey made to her ? Mr% littuNGßAiw here.questioued.the Interpre ter respecting the words used. by. the :witness, there being some difference in the !translation of . the words. by Mr. Cohen. The Lonn CnANCELLOji suggested that the In terpreter, to - prevent interruption, should make the witness understand that holding Uplis.hand , was a signal for him to stop speaking. The suggestion was followed, and the witness received a communication 7 which made him un- derstand the arngeinent. The witness then gaVe the ameNled answer in . these terms :—He told me Dumont l was..still in her Royal 'Highness's 'service, and I - aftervv.ards - formd• she was tot there. He told me if I de- • posed , something I should have a great pre sent.: I said I have been ten days in. the house, and I aver saw any Thing to enable:me .to speak any ill of - that'Lady, meaning her Royal Highness. He then said you know.nothing._ I tell you that house was avery disorAerly house. Bad women were in it, and so forth. I answered this was a falsehood ; for I had been in the home day and night after night, and I had seen nothing of it. AVe then separated. Did Rastelli on that occasion say any thing further rewecting Dumont?-No. The Earl of lavutPoot. here desired Mr. Planta to s he called to the Bar. , He accordingly appeared, attd the Noble Earl put the follQH ing, 'question : • _ IV hat-is the first date of the first passport after 'the I.Bth of September, granted,to any courier, going to the North .of Italy ?- 7 .1t appears to •ine to be the 28th of September. • Mr. Plana withdrew, and the former witness. was recalled. - Was it on this occasion► the eNprer.sion was u sed. about' Duinont's snaking a'goocl day's work Yes ; it was on :that occasion that Rastelli was goingabent making recruits.• ••? 'State all that liastelli — said about , making,•a: . good day's Work can't, express it . ',must • only . say; :that he told me, that, when she came,- to make a drawing she made a good day's work. . Do you knowa person .of the name .of Rk- • • gaud ; he was a companion of Rastellin • , 'Of what business w.vs he sells salt, t 0... bacco, brandy, and °fluor, liquors, lie dwelt tw - u• gun-shotsOutof Milan.• • Did Raganti you . to .come And depose a'-rainst her RoYal-Hig'huess • • The'KV-44Gyi bdraccrott 7 Gv4EßAL objected,to •• • this questioriH,The person whose conduct is af fected tiaa riot been examined. as •'•a witness,. nor • had he been 'preyed to .be at, all conneoted.with, the proceeding. - 1 • Dr 451.1114G,T01.F . :A f w irld be. ,abie. to : convince Ahe'Lord-s . of the propriety of . thee Otetiou': l . R4telli.W.9s_asked,,in 'the course. of • , ht eiarnina' an,' If Itt:0 - 7.:. i '94c as ip .na lly- t voot to the Milan Committee,!.tlrswe'red requested o adeniVtlial..Corn!=nittee a man of-the name 'OP nagailtf. Abu eviAence ie (Dr...Lushieg- , 649 - Was entitled to kiye diro proof of . the.aets . dove - by :The eottweL t fos - „tive.,Qen 'Wad, difficulties to encounter in the .prosecution,... Which had' not taken ; . any, flisOnct,.shape•or.forrn... If' would Aeie - fore be • hard -to take from hem the power of thewing, by agency,subornaJ tioia of perjury. It was obvious frow Rastelli's