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PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF 'LORDS, AUG. 23. THE QUEEN. 'The toll was called over, and Counsel Were ordered to be called in. Counsel entered. The , witness , :gujocci vas then , placeu at the bar„ and As. ilnotJcinAii resumed his GROSS-EXAMINATION CONTINUED. Mr. Brougham.—Q. Do you recollect a German Baron visiting the Princess at/Naples ?—A. 1 -do not recollect. Do you recollett: a German Baron visiting the Princess at Genoa, when on her way from Naples to Milan do not remember. . Did any German Baron visit the Princess at the Villa Villana during her residence theie ? 'here was a Baron whom I thought tobe a Rus sian, who twice visited her Royal. Highness, and is the same I spoke of yesterday. Was his name Ompteda, Opteda, or any name like that ?—I cannot precisely recollect, for it WilS'2ll extraordinary name. Are you sure it was not Ramdoor ?—I do not remember. Do you recollect that Baron sleeping there more than once ?—Once I remember—more I do not remember. Had he not a servant with him who used to live with the other servants of the house ?—I re nember he bad a servant, but whether he lived with the servants of her Royal Highness, I do not remember. Was there not a room in her Royal . Highness's house called the Baron's room,? -I do not re- inernber. - Do you recollect a thunder storm on the river, during 'which heF Royal Highness's party of plea , surewere much wet ? I do not remember. You have said, that in the house at Naples, the , rest of the suite of her Royal Highness, except Bergami, slept in another part of the house ?—I remember the position of the rooms of hef,.Royal "Highness, but not those of the rest of the house. Mr. Brougham.—Then yon do not recollect now, that the rest of the stlite of her Royal High ness slept in a separate part of the house ?—The witness then added in explanation, ' I. remern-, ber well where, the Princess and Bergami slept,. but not where the rest of the suite slept." C 4 Did the rest.of the 'family sleep near or at a dis.tance ? Did you or not say they were separat ed, on. your oath ?"—T remember the poSition of the beds of Bergami and her Royal Highness. You must answer the question ?—lt is true. Did you not give, in answer to that question the following answer?-;—(Answer repeated to him.)—T said they were separated ; but I meant they were so, situated that they, could 'not com municate together. Did you mean_ by that, that persons 'could not pass from one part of the house to the other ? A conversation occurred between the Counsel on this question.' The Solicitor-Generalskewed that the - witness had__,,stated the ,apart,s_.:(ir_ Brougriam.—Dear me, T ay friend has made a great discover") , ! This is a wonderful mare's nest of his. The Solicitor-General.---It "would be well if Mr. Brougham would explain what lie means by that sort of Miservation. Mr. Brougham said, his Learned Friend men tioned this as if he had made a discovery. He himself had read over the ,answer ‘,,.‘ they were separated') four times to the witness. lie could however swear the the meaning of the answer given was 44 that they were at a distance." The Soracuroa-GENERAL contended, that the answer having been gis en by the Interpreter,and taken down• by the Short-hand writer, without objection, it was too late to object to it now. After some conversation amongst,, their Lord ships as to the accurate, translation. of the pkeg i tion, Mr. Brongharn proceeded : Do you mean to represent _ . that there was no way of going from the Princess's room to those of her suite, except through that of Bergarni's ? --What I remember is, that I have seen no passage. Do you mean to ,say, that there is any way of - getting from lie - r'ltOyar Highness's room to the - rooms of her suite by any other passage ?—I have ." seen -no ,other passage. 'Than what paSsage ?—I have not seen any pas sage. that was from her Royal Highness's room to 'the rest of'the farnily, except that which leads through Bergarni''s room. Do yon:know'where the rest of the family had Thorns ?—I do not reMember. Were not the rooms of Doctor Holland, • Hieronymus, and William Austin close to that of her Royal Highness?—l do notremember. When you went from Vienna to • Milan with your father, where did you lodge ?—At a house. How did'yon support yourself ?—By money. How long did your own money last ?—d. do not remember:. • • • . Did any body give you any money there ? When leaving Vienna I received money ; but after Y left Vienna no one gave it to me. Did any one at Milan give you money The Interpreter at first translated the answer, 44 I do not remember," and 44 I remember not," _or 44 I remember that nobody gave me money." .After some conversation amongst the Peers, the latter construction was generally agreed upon to be the meaning of the witness. How long did you remain at Milan at 'that time ?—Precisely, I do not remember; but I think 18 or 20 days. And when you returned to Vienna, did not yourself pay for the carriage that carried you there ?—bdo not remember.. Who gave you money at Vienna before you set out ?—Colonel.Broivii, gave me money to go to Vienna. • Who gave you. money : at Vienna to go to Mi lan ?—My father paid for my journey. Ido not remember. Who gave yoft money before you set oat from Vienna ? . .;-.. . The SOLICITOR-GENRAI, ObjeCtO to this: question. •The Learned• Counsel four the Queen was presuming that the witness had OSitiVely - re, 4 .4\ ceived . money. • '• ' ~," - - Mr. Brougham-1 certainly do. is kN ., ... i4 lv--' , ..The question was repeat.ea. ....-..N, • **.% si -Vy father paid for my journey. I remember nobody gave the money.. After you got to Milan, did any one give you money ?—Nobody gave me money when I arrived at Milan. While you remained at Milan did nohody,give you money ?—Here witness answered—more no than yes, and I don't know. A. Peer requested that the witness should be applied to himself to give a decisive definition of his meaning. .. . After, some conversation, it was decided, that an explanation should be sought upon the re-ex amination. Mr. Brougham implrored the House to keep in view their expressed determination to act upon the principle of the Courts below, with regard to evidence.‘ . FIE-EXAMINATION. The Somcrron-GENERAL then proceeded to a re-amination of the Witness: Did your father conduct you from Vienna to Milan for the purpose of giving evidence against the Queen? Mr. Brougham—l object to that being as a leading ques tion. The Solicitor-General then changed, 'his course of Omni nation.—Were you at Milan examined as to the conduct 01 the Princess of Wales ?—Yes. • _ . . Had you any other business at Milan ?—No. Where slid son go after yeur examination was done at Milan ?—To Vienna. When at Milan, before you set off to return to Vienna, do you recollect having received money or not ?—Before my Set ting out fur Vienna : Yes. ,Fur what pu' pose did you receive the money ?—To travel— tis make a jonrney. • Dist you receive any money before you received it for that purpose ?--- . -Nun mi record° ! What do yob mean by non mi record() ?'—f mean I have it. not in my head to receive money when I say non mi re cordo' If I received money I would say yes, but Ido not re collect the contrary. After souls observations from their Lordships, upon this Meaning— . • The Lord Chancellor 'said, - the House expected that if the Interpreter (Mr. Colmen),at any timeAhought time translation of the Marchese,Spinetto incorrect, notice should be immedi ately taken of it. The Solicitor-General—Yew said, that after your examina tion at Milan, you retnrned to Vienna, Who sent .you to this country ?—COlonel BroWn. He sent me to Vienna. Who sent yob from Vienna to London ?—This I cannot say, for a person came to fetch me, and tell me to come frorn Vienna to London. Did that Person come with you ?—This persOn brought me to London ' • • After you arrived at London, did ycits go to Holland ?-Yes, I set out fur Holland. Did you remain in Holland With the other witnesses ? Mr. Brougham (interrupting the.Solicitor-General)—A re examination shouldembrace nothing but what rose out of the cross-examination. He interrupted merely for the salve of re gularity.—(Order, order.) The Solicitor-General said, that Mr. Brougham had cross examined for the purpose of raising an inference to the pre-. judice of the witness. [Here time Queen entered. Their.Lordsbips rose as usual. Her Majesty took her seat next to her.Connsel The Solicitor-General said, he was entitled to fill up all the circumstances connected with the examination of Milan imp to the arrival of the witness in London, with a view of preventing a false construetion from being placed upon the evidence. Mr. Brougham trusted the House would allow bins to reply. The Lord Chancellor.--" You have a right to reply." Mr. Brougham.—" Yes; but I trust that your Lordships •, . y disapprobation.". Be then contended that the Solicitor- General had no right to question the witness upon the sub-. ject of the particulars of the travels of the witness, except as to those places to which the cross-examination referred. • The Lord Chancellor, after having consulted with the Judges, said, it was his opinion, and that of the other Judi- Fiat Authorities, that the examination should be proceeded With whom did you come here ?—I do not know. Did you come with all the witnesses ?—No ; only wit some of them. Did you land at the same place with the other persons ?. Yes, (lave they all remained at the same lace?—Yes. Have you come from that place to give evidence here ?. Yes. Have you all dined at the same table ?—Yes. Whether on hoard the polacea, Where the tent was raised were Mademoiselle Dumont -or Mademoiselle Brunet ?—J don't know. • • . Was Madame Dumont on board - ?—Yes.. Was the Countess of Oldi there ?—Yes. • Were there sleeping places on deck ? . Mr. Brougham objected to the question and it was with• drawn. Was Madame• Brunet on board during the voyage?—Yes. 11 here her. Majesty was at Villa d'Este, were there - any doors communicating with the corridor except one ?—Yes. Was there only one door ?—Only one door. When that door was skint, was there any other door com nunicatiog with the romp of . Bergami ?, The' Interpreter said he fear e‘l he could not twilse him un derstand it ; but the question was repeated,and he answered, that, when the door was shut, so far as he can recollect, that there was a passage from Bergami's room to that of her Royal flightless. When her Royal Highness was at Naples, were there-not two doors Irons the room where you slept communicating with the cabinet ?—Yes, in the cabinet there was a•dour lead ing to the room of Bergami. Was there to,t another door in Bergami's room?—There was. Where did that door open into communicated with the-dining-room of the Prince - Ss. . • Did it connunnicate with it direct. ?—There was a corridor between. There was first a ; dining-room, then a small cor ridor, anti then Bergami's room. Was that the .roman in which her Royal Highness usually dined ? —Yes. How long did the witness remain in the service of her Royal Highness ?—Three years. . • • • Were you dismissed, or did. you go of your own accord ?- lasked.once for my dismissal at Rome, and twice at Pesaro; and then Bergami granted it. Did her Royal Highness give you a charaCter under her, seal ?—Yes. Has the witness got the certificate about bim have. Heie the witness produced a written document with a - seal to it, and the Interpreter was called upon to read it.• The Marquis of Buckingham at this part of the proceed ing, ohserved the want of a plan duly recognized by the Learned Counsel on botlisides, was a serious inconvenience • to the Hume. The •Lorsl Chancellor said no plan covld he offered to their Lordships, unless Counsel agreed to consider it correct. The Solicitor',General said, " We have a plan, my Lords, which ve c ns tier correct j ,of the principal places the witness has spoken to, but we are not in condition to proceed upon it, because it is subject to the objections stated by tine Noble and Learned. Lord. •If an agrcetuent•.to consider it-correct be made - , we will act of on it to-morrow.". Mr. Brougham expressed himself unwilling to agree to a plan, as it might deprive him of the advantage to be o!,tained by cross-examination of the witnesses. The Interpreter was proceeding -to read Majocci's chataa ter, when Mr. Brongham admitted there was evidence of the witness having been a good servant during most of tine time he lived in the service of the Princess of Wales. . The Solicitor-General—My Learned Friend has stigmatised this witness as one of a gang of robbers. He endeavoured 'to show that application was made by this man to return to the service of the Princess, and that he did not return. I apprehend, ray Lords, when discredit is thrown on a witness it is incumbent. on me to give evidence as to the opinion one of the parties had of this nian. Mr. Brougham-1 never said fault was found with him in 'tlie service of her present Majesty. The observations plied to his leaving General Pinto's service. I never said her ft oval VrigliYiett lilt PrlriceSs ot W e § was tilstAtisAeil With , hi: servites. What is t his tharacr er ? It is only a paper winter' by Schavini. He gives a character to his country trtiin, acting'as MaSor• doom, and puts a great seal to it, and that is to he considered evidente. The I.old Chancellor observed, that it was necessary to prove the. chanicter was: gir,n by-the authority of the Illus !t rious t'Crson whoke seal wo on it. The Solicitop z General then continued tI examination. Dnes.the.witnes ' nember tich vini ?—.NIO. I \ ' s x .... ..,‘Nt . Sitvation ili ; ih • tiove ir 'of 4aZltrintess, when the wiertjaifteA t e.-- q - * try or Mari.sehal:- -•-. .-, What does that Mean ?—Manager of the House. Had he the genet al management of the house ?—t do not know who commanded.. Bergami commanded ; Schavini cintiMandtd. It was impossible for me to say who commanded. They all commanded. Who had the superintendence of the - house ?—I do not know. Did you apply to Schavini for this paper ? Mr. Brougham objected to this question ; and the Solici tor-General finally observed that he could - not show the cha racter was given by the authority of her Majesty, therefore he should not offer it as evidence. He then concluded his re examination, and observed that he did not intend to ask the witness any more questions• The Lord Chancellor then said, does any Noble Lord wish to ask any questions ? The witness states there were tents and beds on the deck of the polacca. What sort of weather had they ?—Where from? From Jaffa to Terracina ?—I &root remember. Questioned by Lord ELLENBOROIJGII. .How was her Royal Highness dressed when she passed through the cabinet. to liergami's room do not remember. Did you Set. her Royal ,Highness distinctly ?—Yes. Did you recollect the cloth, s she wore ?—1 did nut. • • Examined by - Earl GREN Was Bergami - in- bed - ?'Yes. - Did he pretend to be asleep ?—Yes, he slept'as I do now. He feigned to be asleep ?—Yes, his eyes were half-closed. - , He shut them just enough to make her Rnyaj . Highness think be was asleep, but not enough to prevent his,.seeing her.—Yes. Did you leave General Pino's serrice, or was you . dismissed asked for my dismission, and Adjutant I,uni - told me he could not discharge me until the taunt of General PIM) from Milan. Did General Pino, on his return, give,hirit his dismission?. —Yes; the-Adjutant came, and told him he. was discharged. Did you get a certificate of service ft out General Pino ? No, I did riot as Tar one. Where did he .go after his discharge ?—To Milan, to his father. Flow long did he remain there ?—•I do not remember. •How loug was you out of service ?—sionre months. How were you maintained during t hat (line?-1 gut mone by going, buying, and selling horses. When did you leave Milan ?-1 remember. Where did yott gu to from• Milan ?—To Vienna, doting the Congress. How did yon go ?,-1-le'liad a horse of his own, and with t wo companionS, he bought :r small cart, and went in that. He went there to get his bread. THere the Queen left the House.] Earl Darnley.—Did Lady Charlotte Campbell ever dine'at the table with Bergami?-1 do not know. The Marquis of Buchingliam.—Did the witness see Ber gami and the Princess enter together the apartment where the bath was prepared ?—Yes. The witness has said he brought ihiwn two buckets of water, and that Bergami receiV'ed them; where did, lie take the water ?—I took two pails of Water to the door of the bath, and Bergami came out and..took one of the pails. Did you see the Princess when Bepgami took the pails ? •NO, because she was within; I did not see tier. Was there ally other dining room than that which led to the hath ?—I do not remember. Was there another small room besides that intended for the bath ?-11e had uo'recolleetion 'of any• . When he was going to make the bath, did he see the Coun tess of Ohli?—He did not see her. ,• Did he see any female attendant 'of the Princess ? , --1 did not see any. The• Earl of Carnarvon wished the witness to say, whether, there was more- than one bed- under the tent ?-1 do not member` whether there was oat or two beds, but there was one bed in the tent for the Princess. Did the tent cover the whole deck, or was there room to pass by the end of it ?—There was room for people to pass. . • Does he know whether any 'person slept in the space where there was room to pass ?-14e -could not tell. The Marquis of Buckingham--At what- time of day' Ny as this bath taken to the cabin ?—At noon. .....e c i How was Ber ami iteglud. T wAn,lje t leitxd e/r --Li—d of o mouth--How does the witness know the Princess gave Bergatni a blue silk gown at the Villa Villani?—Because I saw it on the back of llerganii. That is no answer-'—Did you remember the Princess giving the blue silk gown to Bergami ?—Yes. I wish to know hitw lie knows she gave it to him ?—Bemuse he told him her Royal Highness-had given hini that dress. -LordOx ford—The witness says, he did not see the Princess in the cabin when the water was carried in ; where did he see her?--When the bath was -eady Bergami went up stairs, took her Royal Highness, brought her down to her room, went in with her, and shut the door. Lord Duncan—Can the witness swear that : her female at tendants were not at that moment in the bath with her ?-1-4 could . gsqar it; nut having seen any body irs-the bath room. Was you in the room, or outside the dour of the cabin near the room?—When I was at the door where the bath was, Bergami went up stairs to tell the Princess -the bath oas ready; when he came down Bergami told me to be at the door, forif there be any want of water you will be ready to give it me. Which door was this ?—At the door of the bath. Earl Grey—Was-you able to • see any body lit the room ?-- When the door .was oven.- Will you swear there was no person in it but Bergami and the Princess ?—I can swear it; nobody but Bergathi and the Princess•went intollse room: Did the . witness mean to say nobody else entered the room, or that nobody else could be in the room without his see ing them ?-1 have seen no other but the Princess and Ber gami.. Was it possible for any other person to he in the room without his hearing them ?—No, that could not' be ; fur if there had been another person I must have seen her. The Lord Chancellor—The witness being asked where the bath was prepared, says, in the cabin. He says; the first time I carried water, Bergami came and put his hand into it, to see that nothing was wrong. lie then brought the Princess down to the room where the bath was made, and Bergami, and the Princess remained in wish to ask, if he• was in the cabin where the water was, and whether any body went into that cabin but Bergami or the Princess ? Was there any person in the room in which the bath was prepared when Bergami went up' stairs to-bring the Princess down ?,When he did bring the Princess down, 'did Bergami and the Princess enter, and was the door shut of the room in which the bath was ? Th e questiousbeing put to the witness, he answered— . There was nobody but Bergami and the Princess--1 saw door- Will an 3 nobody. p .c r o o - st i : d enor—Was ther e an y o th er d oor by which go into the bath ?—I have notieetrany.other Willyou swear, there was no other door ?—I will, because I have ieen none. 'Jh • lord Lord nut have t itha?—d I b f e t e t t i t e : r t e n another rb been l o i door i t ) ! other door, I must have seen it. I,,e:::tbouglit it ifi l i t g a i t it %S; p a e s y, t ,a h i e ite ss d • , itn , ess's situation when 11 e c tg o a u m id i l l i e e f s t e t e he in b i a ,o t t h he ro l o a n t i h ?— ?.. I_ ‘ ‘ 1 7s• there with hot water, hen Bergami wet:Coot, he shut the door sideways, making as little oprniint as he could. long was the Princess in the bath ?—About half an A Peer-1 wish to ask, when Bergami left the bath, was he dressed in the same manner as when he went in ?—He was. Earl Grey —Ask whether he again went to the door of the bath h warm water, when Bergatui went to call the maid ? I remained there till he told me to go away. When did lie tell you to go away ?—When, lie went to the top to call Mademoiselle Dumont, he said, now no More waterli wanted. . . Did you go . imniediately, or wait till Mlle. Dumont came down ?—Bergami remained up stain; Mlle. Dumont came immediately doWn, and I took my pails and went away, and saw Mlle, Dumont go alone into the bath. Does lie know how lung the Princess ;•emained in the bath after Mlle. Dum . ont came into it ?—I cannot know it, because, I went away. When Mademoiselle Dumont came down, was Bergami. with her ?—No; I only saw Mad. Dumont. .A - Peer—With reference. to former answers of the witness, in which he says that hw went to. fetch two pails of water to the bath, I want to ask, if, on receiving orders he went away any where that. ti-me in order to. get the water, that it. might be ready when 13erganii should call for it ?—No; I went no whot, broute sditot gate the the tkat'el* at the door the (lining room. the Another Peer—He received the water at the door Of dining roam then, and not at the door of the hatlaroodi 1 ' A sailor came as far Al the door Of the dini n g roout 01 two pails, and I took flre V and carried them toe door ° -. the bath. .(1 Did yen receive it in the 'di •ttg r 4 did tit tp not-„ Wie, ( side"4 t re,cei it tie dotrw; b e ont. NOV, w dit r4gaiit?thal e; t:S BRPY t.p a thr !watiti*d ?—Because was the sailors who g ut ready the b and it was said her Royal Highnes s was g oin g to take On bath that (lay. The Earl of DonoughmoreThe witness has stated that a tent was pitched on board the vessel, 1 want to know whe!beiri he meant by this a tent of the same description 'of that use on land by her Royal Highness, or whether it was M e rely arl awning ?—lt was a tent which was strait above the deck with :a rope, and in the evening it was clused as a tent all roundt In the evening it was let down, and they said, stop it up al l round well,'see that there be no holes. It was a simple tent: sometimes other pieces of canvas were put round to stop any opening. I wish to know by whom the witness was recommended to the serviceof the Princess Bergami. Earl Grey—Does he know if the Princess was in the bath before Bergami left it to go for Mademoiselle in That I can't know, because I could not see into the bath. Marquis of Lansdown—The witness has stated that (65' bc, asked for his discharge from the service of the Prince s . wish to know what motive be ha for wishing to be chaiged ?—Because her Royal High d ness was surruntaled had people. Earl of Carnarvon—How was her Royal Highness dreited when she went into the bath ?—That 1 cannot recollecresst. , Was she in her ordinary dress , or in a bathing d I cannot precisely remember either what dress she not. - What was the size of the bath ?—lt. was a small site bath. What furniture was in it remember a sofa, *l)°, • every morning was placed there with a cushion, when opened the tent. see' Witness has stated that he asked to q uit the Princess 6 0 , vice, because lie had a had opinion of those w ho were ah.,,, her—lf that was, his motive, I wish to ask what it was '„ made hint a ft er wards wish to be restored to the s ervice ot ," Royal Highness—whether lie altered his opinio n Earl Grey—That is precisely what I wanted to ask. Ele says it was in a kind of conversation list be a" whether might be possible to enter her Royal Hi service service again. It was in that kind ut way. Did witness then Ifleelll nothing se.iUus'in causing ;ion to he made to be restored ?—Ni'. It was as 1.' 0 1' 4 " t o in common conversation, would it nut be again posst." l ' io t enter ;he service of the Princess ?-1 was iu Sef Vice at I • time. - Viscount FalmouthHe hoped their Lordships wono cute hint putting another question wh i c h he thou g ht of: 'wit purtance. The witness had answered, that from has poo t he could not know whether the P r i ncess was in the to not. Now, he bad before said, that when•ho tuck the to Bergami, if any body else was there he must hay: them ; he wished to ask the witness how he could re' oo‘ this apparent inconsistency ? s? The Eat! of Lauderdale said , the ans wer of the w anes' is hided in one case to his capability of seeing into the bath the other, of seeing into the room. Viscount Falmouth said,-if he remembered _right, 1 114 °l' swer in both cases was made w.tb reference to the rooni..no, Eat lof LiverpoOl thought the question, in the first iit oe was asked as to his power of seeing into the bath : and e rr next, as to seeing into the moor. He did not see that tP was .any contradiction on this point. • After some fat ther conversation, the short-band writer called upon to read his notes of the questions and answer,c,,,f the occasions allude d to, hy which it appeared that he 110 - been guilty of any contradiction. - Lord Dr Duostanville — Could y ou distinguish the O tt e whilst the Princess and Bergami were in the - hathero °l° gether ?—No; but I heard whispers. - Were they male or female voices ? -4 he, two r e in speak, but could not make Out which was the a t an's or ‘ s. was the woman's. tU Brougham obtained permission to ask, throug Court, a few questions of this witness. He wished °of, • what wages he had from the situation h e was in at the,ol of his conversation. with respect to re-entering the sett the Princess ? This cinestion was put by the Lord Chancellor: cannot remember. • •Hier Did not the witness make repeated applications to ~„(• nylons to lie retaken into the service ?-1 do nut remerlor„, Whether he did not also make applications to Cal°,„fie f he retaken, five or six times ?—The first or second ,• run aril red - at Milan use sent his son for toe, wheoro],,% f himself told me; Thcodore Majocci, remember now you "-loci' enter into service, for the Princess wants to have )'° Of/ •again. Camera . Gire me tbe -certificate of your alh t ( 1 ter, and I will tell her Royal Highness that you have 0" 0 0 tered into service since you hare left her, and she will d.lte i for the whole time that you have been out of place, ane w ,' all the damages. I told Camera, give me bac k &NYS-oft; (because I had given it to him theo,) because • rather ; OP b into the - service of her Royal Highness I would rattler g eat grass. .Was this conversation with the young.Carnera of ' 4 . 3 mera ?—With the father.' ‘r° 1. 3 Did he ever after make application to Camera to -- l back;,—l do not remember. 7/ ia Does he know that Camera was examined at , this I do not know. Earl of Lauder dale this conversation before r' to Vienna, or subseqnent to it?—Before I went to [The examination of this witness having closed, he dered to withdraw.] •. . . SECOND WITNESS. i ~ ilf Gaetano Paturzo was the next witness bro" forward. • lie was about to be sworn. e P c Mr. Denman begged to ask what teligion the witneo fessed ?—Cal holic, or APostidic. At. oi ( l M. Denman then said, That with permission of the, C, ', he would-ask when he -last took the Sacrament llcc-09, should be able to show that no <lath was binding 111 9 %;, , of Justice with a person of his persuasion, hut ,;,,l''' taken within a certain time after he received the , S 3 c l. , l' iie"' .The Lord Chaneellor, alter consulting with t he ~ decided that it would be a no objection to swearing. the 5' 1,,(0 lo u r on this account. The question was therefore norpatt D i oath was administered in the usual form. „ O The Lord Chancellor—Mr. Attorney-General go c'-' 00 raise Tbe your toice. til l ' 'Attorney-General— Ask the witness what Olin he W is ?—A native of*Napl. hat is his occupation ? es —Captain of a Merchantnts'bof Ask if be be part owner of the vessel be comman ds ' a share. ad What share ?—One-fourth. 01A n • Ask if iu April, 1816, he was Master of a ship cool by What Gargeuno?—l waS. . l r ( was the tonnage of that vessel ?—Three iv . tons. .. n $ ll O 4 . . Does he remember the Princess of Wales coming e -59 that ship-at. Angusta in Sicily ?—1 do. pfin cc r Where did the vessel sail to from Augusta with the, , "ter on boat d :—Directly to Guisgundi, where, not -havi tl ° enough, we went to Tunis. i to Asli if lie remembers the names of those who sail ed 6 vessel opi that occasion ?—AI most all. . rtol ° ! 'i r Let him name them as far as he recollects ?-- - I" 3 " C.' llergami,,Couot Schavini, Mr. Ww. Austin , Theod o r e 'h j S o d lo. lino, and the cook. Francis. • —0 , Any women ?—The Countess Oldi, Dam e d'F u%lon two maids, one Mlle. Dumunt, and the other Brunetti , f t il .little child Victorina. situation o b ps When they first sailed, .does he know the i caa i i cabins of. the Countess of Oldi and the Princess? -••••• : % he rib of the ship was divided into two parts ; th e one or) 'li ,„ bad the lied of her Royal Higkuess. ea hl ' t Dors he koow where Bergami sle pt on the right hand, immediately after the dioing-rono,tio In what part of the ship ?•---In the body of the: 0 4c whole size of the ship is divided into two parts; h 0 011 • tits. one of the small cabins near the coop, and neat , e - f ili rt./Om. leng th ?—in the fit be Ask if the dining-room extended the whole leo; vs', ship?— this 4 0 Mr. Denman objected to the manner of putting otte tion. -He looked upon it as'a leading quest i ." -- • a''' the those which leads to an answer of ~ Yes, 'or " ° ,,v ' it biti ' The Attorney-General thought the question was strict rules of all Courts of Law on the A t . it obe cte- o gi' Mr. Denman —The principle on which lie from o r d ' t w . as, that it asked whether a particular room went trotelpacu ticular point to a partienlar point, whereas be c° e° , Jto l g ought to be " how far did it go ?" ' "th the The Lora Chancellor having consulted wi , . root" decided that the question ought to be allied -- i i n trig ~, for • HoU , much of the • breadth - of the' ship the ' that it took up ?—The whole breadth of the ship. exceP! 50 1. purposes connected with the cleanliness of the " cubject. 111 of in