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thli motion wa3 owing to I , is itsving re ceived a communicalkm from her Majesty which had tequired his utmost coniideration, and re quited that he should change the plan of his pro ccetlings. Hr should say nothing more on this furthtnr than that he had received a second communication explanatory of the first. He dared tint say that these documents in themselves held cut itt , nvs that her Mljesty would acquiesce in'thcviews he entertained. HaVirg since had an opportuni'y of stating to her Mdjesty the MO' t :yes by which he was actpa - ed, he found that leer Majesty had no other knowledge of the na, turn of his inw.ded tno iOll than what had been collected trout .jeucral report. measure which lie had afrtrwards come to the conclusion of adopt• th4t.of that a 111• solution be ras,=c4l, the ol:ficer of Av ilich was .earnestly to ex• press a hone, that her Nlajesty, rtuls that the Wifelences seemed to be so nearly doot try:':' rniei.t be prevailed upon, tinder all the cl.rf:litnstanceA, to waive tire only 'coo:rifling differences, On grotituls which lie should s tate, 1:11 ,- 11 lie carne to the motion itself. It vronld be lenlrnibered, that the ultimate diff:reuce be. tweet) the Kin , fs Servants rind the Law- Of -11:•ers of the Q teen relarvi to two points, viz. the causitt L : her Maievy to be aclinokelcilv.eil pub licly as f.jiieen ot England Foreign Cu lets, nod the restoration of I.er Niajesiy's name in the. Li torgy.—(llear!)—tie wished it to Lie otisei vet!, that it wO4 in one part of these papers vittually Fichnowler4zed, that the objeciou to giving het Majesty a full introduction to one of the Foreign Courts abroad!, although there were almost iusu perable objections tO it, could neverdheless he gut o%m He referred to that part o hick stated,that " after mature retit•rtion, on the suggestion of her M-tj-sty's Law Officers, if possible to meet the Qdeen's wishes, and in ordcr. the better to assure to her Majesty everrsuitable respect and atten tion within the particular State in which she might think fir to esvddisb her residence ( lie Dplilanese or the Roman Stares having b'-en previonslysuggested by her Majesty's Law Offi cers as the alternative within her illojvity's templAtiot!), chat the King %you'd cause official notification to be made of her Majesty's legal character as Qyeen, to the Government of such State ; tha , consistently however with the rea sons already stated, it must rest with the Sove rkign of such,State . %:hat,reception should be given . • . to her Majesty in that character. The Ring could not with propriety' ivquire any point of Foreign ';'Gnverornetits.; the refusal of which would not afford his Majesty jitt gronnds tor remonstrance." This la:ter assertion he conceived all mina be ready to ccmei.ir with ; nor could it be supptn.ed that - the king of this Cohntry could havp the power of dictating to Foreign Sovereigns, - :On view of this part of the negociation,. be thought that that, point of nitfrreoce might be considered as in aurae degree settled. The next difference vas, the restoration of her Majesty'sernatne to tne Lit orgy. To this, he ceofesseid, he did not ascribe s.omuch importance as he hail , at. fist been in= clined to do, althou g h- ha %Vat: far from ,ontier , _valuing it in a general Sense. He wished it to.be understood that it did not strike him, after mature reflection, that this otrjeciitot wus to be viewed as Opplylig in a religious sense. in corning to this .conelusioli he had experienced great relief. It , . . , «+e the eeeuli A r heauty, of that ae:rorabie system of worship which prevailed in this Country, that it tend e d, in a considerable degree, to level all dis .tinetion of ranks ;- - ancl. 0111 all appeared in that state o f 'q ua lity which was the best ineparation for our future Rthre.. tie well remembered an oecasien When the Head of the Chetch of Eng 4antimade an .elnqont appeal in public 0; this ppitat e e—he meant on the subject rif that character :of the Church of England which, united all in one common level before the Creator, Governor, and littler of the Universe. He would state fairly that Ire had asked many who 114(1 told him that they conceived, under the phrase of " the King and all the rest of the. 1601 Family," the Qiteen was iehainly inchided.—(Cheers.)--tie would ask the Ho n . Gentlemen whether they ever heard the triention of all the Royal Family Without thinking of the doyen ?—(Laughter.)-1t had been usu a l, sometimes by name,and sometimes not, to express individualS in. the form of prayer ; for instance, when :be Heit'Presnmptive of-the Crown was mentioned, the ;rattle of that Illustrious Individual was' Meant to he u n derstood.--(blear.)---The Duke of York did not suppose that he was exclud e ed from the Liturgy because his, name was not Mentioned. But be conceived that it could not be considered that her Majesty was excluded from the Liturgy because she was not men tioned, in a religious sense. He was strength ened in this opinioo.from the circumstance of this point's tieing so treated on both sides that it was not on the ground of religious scruples. The best proOf that it was not looked upon of importance was, that it was not mentioned at ell until they came to their conferences, either on the sole of the King's Servants, or of the Law Officers of her 141aHty. It was therefore impressed on his wind that this was not felt to be a point of that itn.• portance to the parties, which et first view he was induced to think it was. He thought, that most probably the persons on the part of the Queen in the neeociation. would heel it their duty to urge many things as her Majesty's Legal Advisers,which, us Members of Parliament, they might not think worthy of so much attention. He would pass from this goestioo to the papers be was about to read, for the purpose of showing that it was not in a reli• gieus point of view the point was insisted upon. it would be seen, by a reference to the printed account of the n,•gociation, that after the appoiut ment of the Duke of Wellington and Lord Castle reagh to hold conferences with her Majesty's Law Officers, the latter G n entleme asked, " whether, in the event of the proposition relative to the re storation of her Majesty's tiame to the Liturgy not being adopted, any other proceeding could be suggested on the part of his Majesty's Govern ment, tvhich might render her Majesty's residence abroad consistent with the recognition of her rights, and the vindication of her character; and they specially pointed an the official introduction of her Majesty to Foreign Courts by the King's Llioi:oers abroad."—(Hear, Lear!)—'Tat was ado:juke therefore that an equivalent to the to; ner demand could he made.—(Hear, hear, hear!)--Nor was this a suggestion thrown out at • eenlom, nor was it to hit looke4 upon as aTran sient feeling, for it would be found by a refer, uce to the printed papers, that her Majesty's Law Officers proposed it a second time. He meant to argue . by these observations, that the objection was not on religious ground's ; and he contended that it was et:it - meant that her Majesty should not be remembered in the prayers of her people—elaer mime was certainly implied, although he acknow ledged it was not the must respectful way,— (Hear, hear l)—He declared that he was not actuated by a feeling of preference either on one side or the other on this delicate and vastly itn portaet question. He only desired most ardently to ai•oid the opening of that Green Bag.— (Laughter.)—The manner in which his last ob servation bad been received by the House, served to show that a ludicrous association once attached to a subject, would, however set iously the evil might he dispo , ed, intrude itself upon it at the most truseasonable moments. Therefore, if when he had mentioned that name, these was a smile on iris lips, he Could assure them there was is pang at his heart —(Hear, hear'.)—That part of the Papers to which he last alluded gave bins the greatest satisfaction, and afforded hint the best consolation as to the result of his motion, It w a s something which cheered and Ohm:hotted the dark shadows which seethed to pervade this subject, and called upon Pdrliament to devise something which would answer the purpose of a ‘4 recogni tion el her Mujesty's rights, and a vindicatiou of her character at Foreign Courts." He thought ;hat the solemn assurance of Parliament; that it. l:er Majesty did make that coucessioo, which they eeruestly supplicated her to do, it would net be considered as in-.tiny way giving assent to any of the Charges against her, but as a generous eeeri bee of her Majesty's feelings to the unauimous de sire of Parliament, would answer that end, — (Hear !)—Here it was that be found the ground fur his motion ; and he conjured his Hon, and Learned niervi, and all the Members of that House, to consider whether in this motion they had not found that very expedient—that very al ternative which they were in search of. It might to be borne in mind, that -the restoration of her Majesty's mime to the Liturgy would not have the effect of clearing her Majesty's character abroad. It :night probably have 'hat effect in Scotland ; but on the Continent it could not be supposed to produce the same feeling,. because our Liturgy was as little known there as it eves in China . or Japan. For a short time, a few praise-worthy itolividuala had made the most zealous effoies to establish the I. ) rotestatit form of worship at Rome for the benefit of our resident comply men there, but it had not been permitted by the. head of all anthem hies in that quarter. He put it to the Legal Advisers of her Majesty, whether Hey stigma could attachto her honour in the eyes of Foreign Princes by a compliance with the ex neeeed anxious desire and supplication of the Pare beaten( of the Country. He was sure, if he might use the expression, that there was so usurp Eloglish stuff in beteMajesty's composition, that she would readily'giste up:her...own teelloge to the wishes of Parliament. It Gentlemen would calmly consider the important advantages that wooll result from an amicable termination of the existing differences and the great, the inevitable evils, which must re i• suit Irani going Into the proposed inquiry, they would feel how extremely desirable it was that they should avail theinselves of this last opening for effecting an accommodation ; and he, if 0113 - e44ild be accomplished, should tepid himself se the. most fortunate man that had ever lived, for the pert which-he had taken towards producing sce happy a change: He wished Gentlemen On both sides Of the House to give their imaginations fair play, and exercise their judgment on this question, uninfluenced by any patty feeling ; anti acting OW; be flattered himself that they would not be disposed to decide against the present mo tion merely because it might' be open to some objections. Th .ought to remember, that they had bet a choice of evils, and that if the propo- Sit hen wi th which he shookd conclude were re jected, they must submit tO all the incalculable evils of the inquiry.. Those evils he would not attempt to specify, for if he were to go ioto - some of them, the 'effect of his doitsg so would be to -suggest those very ideas, frons . which he turned away with disgust,: and which he would willingly exclude from the mind of every men, woman, and child. He hoped then, that the consequences of carrying and of 'rejecting the motion would be well considered before the important question was decided. if his motion were carried, and the pro position which it contained acceded to by the Queen, no lihmiliation 'could attach to her for taking such A course. The Nation would per ceive, what her Majesty must feel, that Much:had been given up td her, if something was still with held which she had conceived ought to he con s ceded, and she would not be rekfarded as surren deriog any rights at all involving her character and her honour, but as yielding what, without any unworthy compromise, she felt free to give up in the compliance with the expressed! wish of that Houses lie again most earnestly called on all parties to took.at. the sitnati , m in which the King and the Queen—that House—and above all—the Country—would be p!aced, if it because necessary to enter into floe inquiry.' Should the evils .which he contemplated be unhappily realized e --should the present Motion be rejected, he hoped it would hereafter be remembered by those whom it might most nearly concern, that there was a time, when, by carrying this motion, an opening would have been made, by which an amicable arrangement might have been effected, as he conceived, wilontt in any way degrading. her Majesty or any other pally—when Ho accommodation might hate been brought eshout by giving up her own feelings to the expressed wish of the House of Commons. — If soy defeat appeared its Iris argument, he hoped his deficiencies would be supplied by the dreadful alternative before them ; anti ()! might time clot sideratioo of the vast, the unknown evils, the ' contentions and the recriminations which would flow from the inquiry, induce the House, ere yet it was too late, and induce her Majesty to take. that couree . which Would . ..avert proceedings so fatal to the interests of all - parties, and so injurious to the dignity of the Crown and the tranquillity of the. Country. He wished to add, it was his sincere desire that the Ki'sg and Queers, the Par liament and the Country, should fed that they 1-fat one cOlialOn eallSe pqr6ue, Am/ that the interests of all parties were the saute. He felt persuaded that the course which he was about to recommend - to the House to pursue was that which it would become them to take, and that the task which he would assign to them was that which could only he imposed on 'a dignified anti important, body- 7 -was the highest that they could be required to take upon themselves, as it called ott them to act as a mediator between two per sonages of such exalted rank. fie hoped the pro position with which he was about to conclude would meet with their approbation. If he should be so unfortunate as to fail, his consolation would be, that he had done all in his power to effect a termination of the existing differences in the Royal Family, by again calling on the [louse to con sider in the sante spirit which had been manifested in every part of the fate conferences, to avoid it possible the necessity of enterim4 into that inquiry, the evils of which could never be over estimated, and which must be productive of the most injuri ons consequences to all parties concerned in them, as well as to the Empire at large. lie concluded by moving a Resolution, stating, "That that House had learnt, with unfeigned and deep regret, that the late endcavours • to frame an amicable ar rangenient with a view to avert the necessity of instituting so inquiry into the information laid before the two Houses of Parliament, had not led, to . nn adjustment of the differ ences now unhappily existing in thu Royal Family, so anxiously desired by that House and by the Country that that House was fully sensible of the difficulty which her Majesty might justly feel in taking upon herself to relinquish al* point in which her own dignity and honour were involv 'ed ; vet feeling the inestimable importance of effecting an amicable and final adjustment of the differences alluded to, could not but be of opinion, when such large advances had been made towards meeting the wishes of the Queen, that her Majesty, by yielding to the earnestly expressed wishes of the House, and forbearing to press [base points on which there was most difficulty in coming wan arrangement, would • nut be understood to do any thing that could mark a Wish on her own account to avoid an inquiry into her conduct, but would only give a new proof of her readiness to submit to the decision of Parliament, thereby entitling herself to the gratitude of that House, by sparing them the painful neces sity of instituting proceedings, and of entertaining discus sions, which, whatever might be their result, could not be other than distressing to the feelings of her Majesty, disap pointing to the hopes of Parliament, tleregatory to the dig nity of the Crown, and injurious to the best interests of the Empire."—(Hear, hear, hear !) —He would add one word more : He could al most wish, for , he first time, that the eloquence of the Hon. Uentleman near him were this night to be exerted, rather in his character of a Mem ber of Parliament, than in that of an Advocate for the Queen ; for in the' latter charac er he feared that he might consider it to be his duty to find objections to the course which he (Mr. Wil berforce) had recommended, that he would not seek to discover in the former capacity. He hop ed the Hon. and Learned GentleMPn would dis miss any feeling like that which be had supposed he might have ; and that he, remembering that the konottr of her Majesty was connected (as he hoped inseparably) with the honour and interest of this country, would feel that her honour could not be better sustained and her interests better consulted, than by yielding to the wishes of that Ilouse. Mr. S. WoHTLav thought the House and the country could ant desire a befter pledge than they had in the character of the lion. Gentleman who had brought that 'question before the House, that it was dictated by a sincere desire to heal the dif ferences known to exist in the Royal Family, and had nothing to do with party. It the Motion were rejected, he thought no course was left open for them but to proceed (aware as they all pro fessed to be of the evils which must follow) to enter upon the inquiry. They must then proceed to look into the information which had been laid before the House ; and, for months to come, the country would be plunged into a state'of agitaiion which every friend to it must sincerely deplore. The Hon. Gentleman bad rightly stated, that the door was still open for accommodation. To him it seemed opened for the list time, and he hoped that an agreement would now be come to, such as had been recommended in the course of the late negociation ; an agreement under which the Queen would not be supposed to admit any thing with which she had been charged, nor the Government to retract any thing that had been advanced on the part of the King. It was the opinion of those with whom this motion Lad ori ginated, that they now pointed out a mode by which this most desirable object could be effected. In the consultations that had been had on the subject, they hail endeavoured most anxiously to divest them Selves of all party views, and the course now adopted had'been preferred, be cause it was thought that it would be beneficial to all parties, He bad only to add, that en tertaining this opinion of it, the motion had his hearty concurrence, and he now begged to second it. • Mr. BaouGHam said, he rose thus early in the debate, on account of an indispUsition under which he laboured, and which might prevent him from delivering his sentiments at a later hour. He should endeavour to express himself on this im portant question with candour, with a sincere re, spect for his lion. Friend,'end in concurrence with what he conceived to be the - feelings of the country. He would now call the attention of the House to the result of the late negociations, and the unfortunate failure that had taken place. But although they had failed, he would declare it as his opinion, that in the course of these nego'cia. lions not a little had been gained for her Majesty. For the only basis on' which the Queen would consent to treat, was, that of being fully acknow ledged in her high rank and title, and this basis, although at first refused, was now fully acknow ledged. The only point in which she was always inflexible, that which admitted of no alternative, and for which she looked op to 'no equivalent, was an unqualified recognition of her rights and privi loges as Queen of England ; and that recognition was granted before ever the conferences were open- 1 cc!. He should notice - another material'point which .had been gained by her Majesty. Without at• tempting to,impute blame to any, body, - he must say, (het the Queen, 0/3 her artiv-al lately in this Counne, veal no: (reatei iri aferi *Ay with till respect which was due to her exalted tank. 13 ' 1 , since the commencement of the negociatious, • very different treatment was proposed to be ob; served towards her ; for inakead of being all ow° to travel in a common packet, - 1111 the pomp, priede' and circumstance, which usually attended th e voyages of the higliest Royal Personages; we re now offered to her, in case of her departing front the Country. Some persons might say, that 116 overrated those advantages ; but these tiro! i things were of considerable moment ;• they were of as much value, as the omission ° them would be a mark of degradation. in 0/ instance, therefore, a material point had bee ° geined. There was another circumstance, ever, where no small advantage was gaine d' It the Queen was not to be recognized at To reigo Courts, somethiog very nearly applascW ing to such recognition was conceded to bet, In whatever Country she should reside on:. tb d Continetit, she was to he announced to tl e Court of that Country by the Representative of tl ir Sovereign as Queen of England, and there to 64 treated as such. And last of all, there was a int' ther proceeding, which he did not considet as immaterial. That was the Consent given, [ha t addresses should he ',resettled to the giog and Queen by both Houses of ParliarneiO r that these addresses should be presented' I t/ them together. Now let any one recollec t ' that, about four mouths bsCk, no Gen:Acute': on the Ministerial side of that noti.se eoril" venture to mention the name of the Qicell that stone, in their allusions to ber, calla' her " the Distinguished Peraonaee," others the 'rHigh Lady ;" and that there ,07 every kind ot circuteilocution and studied periplit e sis, to avoid the mention of 'a title which was admitted doting the late conferences. Now, be' sides the recognition of the title; she was to littl e ships of war to attend her she was to he ?tl' flounced in foreign Courts ; and to receive , : dresses from both Houses of Parl:am'ent. would ask thee, it it Were nothing to have g4lael i • However, the Queen's advisers might have n e t solved to proceed upon the inquiry, a'nd t t ietjt el i the green hag, he would ask whether iebehowe' Parliament to sanction the QUeee's resistant e: until a step further was granted. It fled brae said, that the question of the Liturgy 'was not w c much a sine qua non, as a thing that ought n° to be contended for. He . coold at once ,super sede the pecessity of this atgumente The / turgy certainly was not so far a sine quct ge s ' as not to admit of an equivalent. Her O' a , jesty required such a basis, as should 0 4 0 port her honour aod her dignity. When 11 , 0 ► que stion of residence came to be diseussed,ia late conferences, it was considered that, W i a m o tives of convenience to the Q teen herself , oar i e from the inconveoience which would arise if Of separate Courts ‘:rere held in . ;pis conntlll4 might be more agreeable to her Mjesty's and more conducive to tier personal e atdO r er to go abroad. The question then was, *he ti ' I such departure front the totintry would not 1. : 1 liable to great miscoesiroctione wt charg, were still hanging over her. Majesty, withoot b e e ing rebutted and whether something w as n o! ' a be done, ill order to prevent suc) toisconstrnei"' of her Majesty's conduct. Her legal a dvi;e f" therefore, in miler to settle this matter tits?" . l i gi a qeired that ht±r name should be restored to I ,rs j Liturgy. Having assisted at the negocieti"l lie thought it necessary to state this fact. what lie was in the habit of places—from what he could colleet . tO be Ole Se l c 'e, of that House, and front the overwhelming rity which was known to exist in favour 0 f I.tiog Queen among the people out of doors, he /r - le sure that the restoration of tier Majesty!. naol e .' o , the Liturgy would render the success of a oeba elation certain, without the possibility of a ,/ dishonour to her Majesty.--(Hear, beS" e . it He solemnly assured the House, that i es r very thing would produce all the effect t could be wished, tor, anti he was sure ti. it e es was the only remaining obstacle towards 0 0 0 commodation. By placing the name in for: 1, tergy, every obstacle would be, surmoO' Ll e s s This was a fact which he had no more )1 0;04 thin in asserting, than that lie watonow steit'ece on the floor of that - House. Without meeot' ) .'')o throw any blame against Minisie s, to whow haft been so often opposed in that 1-l o ttse?, r il must, in common with numbers'of omit era, e,sPi'yl Iris deep regret at the omission of her 31W s i- ,r, 0 name its the Liturgy ; but by how much the Ot) the act`ought not to have been done, by 90 US the moue ease it might now he undone. It e 9''etis now be with every kind pt propriety u ndoe e , 4o 4 the ground that the doing it was not only 1 ,1 Ode but illegal—(Hear, hear !)—Titere t bf law io the country %% hid) gave a power i" ) eill King to alter the Liturgy by an Order 019 The law said, that in all prayers relating I° , fr atl Royal Family, the names should be •hatige" s i a nt time to time, and fitted to the present ocee t uff Nothing more was done titan this :--that a t 4 demise of one Sovereign, the name of ts°folon was inserted ; and instead of Queen C4ar the veto: cis Queen Caroline ought ve no w to o s sto;ieof the Liturgy. This, he conceid, to be for Parliement, to enable it to get out great difficulty in whidi it was 'low piaceti. f lt 4. was no answer to his argumt , nt to say, t"0t.1.. Queen was prayed for along with the b ea r :. Members of the Royal FeMily—(flea r ' a s 'a o : 3 o hear !)--Whether the exclusion of o° o3 ' tO s e did or did not 'exclude her Majesty f " n om prayers of time Church, was not the glieStic it t h t be consideted ; for it did too follow tit 0 tet' I".;..bug ought to have oniered that. (Acitisian ; lie o e, place. The real question a as, whetherio was not unlawful and uneoustitutional• rjedol4(7!-: tens of this kind, every thing was . de g 1 ,,?! which was contrary to old eitahlished 111,; Former ' Queens of England had alw,sPcity,et preyed for by name, and to cease thus. .. , 1 Queen, could only tend to 'degrade Heed 1 eyes of the world. The allto.ion t hat v lr so ) 4 ( 1,. 1 wade to the Queen of George the . i tot an offensive aggravetion of the wrong. n. been clone in the present instance. His (eureka had said, that the Deice was ,tot (he t ce a mime ; but it should be tiodelsur qe to o ( Doke of YONI-, was only heir ct‘ , Clown ; and that, at ,;.ircuras,lslicits 113