The Sun. — London, England, 1820-08-29 00:00:00

THE QUEEN. HOUSE OF LORDS—(THIS DAY.) At ten ,minutes before ten o'clock the Loan CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack. The Bishop of WINCHESTER. then read prayers. The Roll being called over, the following Peers were absent or excused :—Lord Ennis killen, Lord Aylesbury, and the Marquis of Buckingham. . Lord Livia:root. .then rose and stated, that although he had agreed to her Majesty's Counsel being heard as to the mode of proceeding in the crossexamination of witnesses, it was under no understanding that he had agreed to the course propoSed by them. The more he reflected upon the subject he was convinced that the course recommended by those with whom he generally acted was that which was least at variance with the established usages, and• of the greatest' be milt to the cause of her Majesty. The Counsel for her Majesty had been of a different opinion, and had applied to the House for the indulgence. I t was certain that in an earlier stage of the pro ceeding the CounSel for her Majesty had received an intimation that the course they now wished to see the House proceed in should be adopted. There certainly had been a misunderstanding upon this subject ; but the Learned Counsel having concluded that a double cross-examina tion w:ls to be substituted instead of the course which could not consistently with the_ principles of the Constitution be followed, it would, in his opinion, be a hardship to withdraw an advantage which was certainly expected, though not pro mised. He trusted that the House would, under 'these circumstances, continue to the Counsel the option either to cross-examine in.full at the pre sent time, or to proceed in the usual way by a, present cross-examination upon particular points. He confessed that he could not see much • difference between the course -,suggested by the Queen's Counsel and what must neces sarily occur in the event of a special case arising in the progress of the investigation.— The Noble Lord concluded (amidst loud cries of . Hear, hear !) with moying, that Counsel should be called in, and informed that they were now at liberty to proceed with the cross-examination. Ile meant this motion to take the place of the motion of yesterday, which had not yet been de cided upon. Lord LAUDERDALE said, he would not consent to the proposal to withdraw the previous motion. Lord GREY desired to know upon m hat grounds his Noble Friend (Lord LAUDERDALE) resisted the proposition of the Noble Lord '(LsvEnro or.). Lord LivEttPooL said, as the course he had proposed to adopt had been objected to by ' the Noble Lord, he would move, what perhaps, might appear less exceptionable. lle should submit the motion as an amendment to that of yesterday, which was, " that the Counsel should _ be called in, and that they should be informed - of the rule proposed by their Lordships to regu idte the future cross-examination of witnesses in lieu of that laid down on Saturday, namely, that such cross-examination should as usual be gone into immediately after the examination in chief, -with a full claim - how - ever to apply for the per ;inissien of the House to have any witness called „back again for cross-examination, if any new facts or circumstances respecting such witnesses shOuld come to their knowledge." - Lard LAUDERDALE thought it more to the con venience of the House that he should postpone his reasons for objecting to the proposition to withdraw his motion, but as he had' been called upon he. felt it his duty to state those objections. Lord ERSKINE said, he was glid.to see Mini- _sters came forward to amend their" Own ill judged; _speculations.—(Laughter.)—He thought it most .eoraordinary to see the President of the Council (.--oriectiug the First Lord of the Treasury.— , (Lau ; , liter, and cries of, Hear, hear !) Lord HattuownY then moved the amendment. • Lord LAUDERDALE was of opinion that it was .incumbent upon the mover of the. amendment to explain the nature of it. lie Avit . of opinion that it was calculated rather to increase thart - diminish the difficulties which: presented themselves. Lord LIVERPOOL complained of the tone of ; the speech made 'by the Noble Earl just sat down, as directed :to the. House. So far from disre garding,as derogatory to the dignity of the House, the arguments of the Counsel, he (Lord Liverpool) ,contended, that it was the conscientious duty of their Lordships to •attend 'to the arguments of Counsel. lie did not wish. Co bind the Noble Lord,- nor did be conceive himself bound by them. The grounds on which he now acceded to the wish of the Counsel was, that the indul gep.ce having already been granted it ought not now-.to be withheld. The Earl of LAunnitn.inE explained. Lord _‘,/tSKINE--As there appeared to be some misunderstanding among their Lordships, he wished the amendment to be read, which being done, his Lordship suggested that the Counsel for the Queen should be called in, and if they declared themselves satisfied with what was now offered them, he would not trouble their Lordships further on, the subject. But if they were not satisfied he would move the adjourn meet of the House.. Lord LIVERPOOL wished it to: be distinctly understood, that the Counsel for the Qu e en ihtmW have the right to call up a witness fora second examination, but that the Couni•el for the Bill should not be compelled to conclude until the second cross-examination had concluded. Lord REDESDALE spoke a few words•. which were inaudible 'below the bar. • The Earl.of Dosoconmonu.took a review of the whole of their Lordships' proceedings for the last three days, and contended that as their Lordships were the Judges in this 'case, there was nothing in law, or in the peculiar nature of this case, to prevent any Noble Lord from examining a witness after their first cross-examination had finished. Lord EILENBOROUGH said, that if the Counsel for the Queen had it in their option either to proceed or not with the cross-examination, they would have it in their power to prevent the case ever being ,brought to a termination. The ends of justice would be •frustrated, and the pro-. ceedings would in fart be interminable. It had been described as a hardship, that the evidence for the prosecution should go unques tioned. That hardship would be increased if the mode w hick her 31ajesty's Counsel contended for was adopted. • Earl BATHURST spoke in explanation of the. motion. He said he could see nothing more pro per than that her Alajesty's Counsel should pro ceed NV ith the cross-examination to such aq ex tent as they thought proper with liberty to call the witnesses back a second time. Lord ELLENBOROUGII asked what degree of cross-examination was to be held as sufficient to enable their Lordships to proceed with their ex amination. Lord LivEnroot, stated that when the cross examination went simply to the credit of the witnesses, it was impossible to preclude the Counsel for the Bill from putting additional toes- tions. The Lotto CHANCELLOR could not give his assent to the line of proceeding which their Lord ships were about to adopt. He was for giving the utmost latitude to the Counsel of her Majesty in their cross-examination, but that cross-exami nation ought to follow immediately the exa mination in chief. I f there was ever -a case where it was so evidently due to justice, that some satisfactory termination of the business should be obvious, it was the present. He could not, however, after having tormented his mind to the utmost with the subject, see his way to the end of the difficulties which must certainly arise, if the course now proposed should be pursued. Should their Lordships proceed with the examination of witnesses, before the Counsel for the parties had concluded their's, they would raise a new case in which Coun sel might again go through the whole course of examination, cross-examination, and even after that the business would not be any further ad vanced. His Lordship was sorry to differ with those he most respected, but he could not give the sanction of his judicial character to the line of proceedings which they were now prepared to adopt. If their Lordships should adopt the proposed rule, he should feel it his duty to give them the utmost aid in his power in carrying it into effect. After some further obser vations) his Lordship concluded by expressing it as his opinion that the House should proceed to the satisfactory conclusion that the Queen's Counsel should be allowed to exercise their discretion as to the cross-examination of wit- nesses. The Marquess of LAssnows said he was deep ly impressed with a sense of the numerous in conveniences arising from the course advised by the President of the Council, but as it was an unanswerable fact, that greater inconveniences must arise from the course recommended upon a former occasion, he felt himself bound to vote for the amendment moved by. Lord Harrowhy, unless his Noble Friend Lord Erskine consented to propose the motion of which he yesterday gave notice. The House divided on Lord LIVERPOOL'S 060I1— For it 126 Against it Majority 2O ----- TWO £20,000-48 OTH ER C. ; VPITALSALL MON EY- A LI, ON SALE-ALL IN ONE . DAY-ALL TO-MOI ROW. THEATRICAL REGISTER. Performed Lost Night: THEATREHOYAL.DRU RY LASE.—Othello: Othello, Mr.Keati. After which, The Prisoner at Large.. THEATKEROYAL,'HAYMARKET.—Who Wants a Guinea ? After which, nombastes Furiuso. To which was added, The Farmer. THEATftE ROYAL, ENOLIsII OPERA TIOUSIi.---TIIC Blind Boy. After which, Patent Seasons. To' which was added, The . Vampire. .;,* For "A FEmALt:," and " lumnus," see the First Page PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O.CLOCIC. - - Bank Stock.... 2201 241 2201 s'per Ct. Navy Ann. 103 a per Cent. Red. 3 per Gent. Cons 6711-14 India Stud - .215i 3i per Cent. 76-4 India Bonds .... .21s, 225. pr. 4 per Cents • 814 67 Ex. Bills, 2d ..3s. ss. pr. .Bank Lung Ann..... IS I=llitb I Coils. for October. 630 • Al A 1 1.. S. ARRIVIti , -1 Dublin, I ‘vaterford, 1 Guernsey and jersey. ME—I Holland, 1 Gottenfintel), 1 Lisbon, I Haniburgli, 1 France. - .om.. HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TO-MORROW. Morning, 34 minutts after G.—Evening, 3 minittcs 4110' THE SUN. 30L1:111 QUIS DICEIkE F..ILSUM.:4UDEAT , LONDON, TUESD.<II, AUGUST 9.9, 1820. It seems to be the general opinion, as far as we are able to collect that opinion, that unless some judicious regulations should be adopted, the 'T rial of HER MAJESTY will be extended to a degree highly injur'ious to the Country. Many of the questions of THE QUEEN'S Counsel do not seem to have any useful object or end.—For instance, that question of Mr.BaoCGll:ll%.l requiring BARBARA. ANTZ to tell berplace of abode. What pos sible purpose cOuld it ansWer',, 'except exposing the house to 'insult, and drawing a Mob .round it, if they were permitted to approach? We are persuaded that the .Counsel. had no mischie vous view, but as,it is iMpossible that he could be ignorant of . her . present habitation, it is equally impossible to conceive his reason for wishing to let it he known to the Public at large. It is by no means surprizing that the ATTORNEY-GENERAL should complain of the abuses of the Public Press, for the conduct of The Times is sufficient to bring it into oppro brium and contempt, but we think with Morning Chronicle, that the. Learned Gen tleman. should not have included " the whole Press in such a sweeping censure." Not that The Chronicle could derive any advantage from a more limited condemnation, as it has done all in its power to throw odium on the course of trial adopted, though it has been determined by the best authorities that no other could meet the case. The Chronicle, however, commits the same fault which it ascribes to the krToasEY-GENE nAL, for it says this- day that " the Government Papers have day after day teemed with the most outrageous and indecent Libels on her Majesty." We shall use the words of Time Chronicle and say, " We defy the Learned Gentleman (and The Morning chronicle) to point out any such gross and scandalous libels in our cOlumns." Throuzh we profess to be a Government 'Paper, we have pursued a plain, direct', and independent conduct in relation to THE QUEEN, ever since her unfor tunate demand of a Trial which has spread dissen- Lion over the 'Country, and familiarized our virtuous females withscenes of the mostimmora 1 and disgust ing nature. We from the first maintained, that after HER Ku izsTY's open, direct, and solemn demand of inquiry into her conduct, no private adjust ment, or clandestine compromise, could possibly be admitted, and we expressed our surprise that Ministers should have appeared to think a public Trial could be avoided.--But never have we in the slightest degree attempted to prejudge the case, and, far from presuming her guilt, es.en after the astounding evidence which has been brought against her, vi e have expressed our ear nest wishes that she might pass through the or deal with honour, and ultimately enjoy the triumph of innocence. We received last night the Paris Papers of Friday last. Those of Saturday, which were due this morning, have not arrived. The following are extracts : " Pints, Auo. 25.—Yesterday, - Sir Charles Stuart, the English Ambassador, presented to the King, at a private audience,, a letter from his Sovereign, notifying the Death of the Duchess of Yorli " Yesterday being the Fete du Roi, there was a grand re ception at Court ; after which his Majesty transacted business during great part of the afternoon with the,Duke de Riche lieu and the Minister of War. " Several Sub-011icers were arrested on Wednesday, charged with being implicated in the Conspiracy. FIVE PER CENTS. Thursday - - 79 f. ss c. DEFFAIRED STOCK. Of the 22d March, 1817 lO4 f. 85 C. 22d March, 1820 •92 f. 85 e. RiWIADT, Ann. 9. 0 . —The King of Prussia arrived on the I tth inst. at Tcrplitz, where he was complimented by the Captain of the 'Circle, in `the name of the Emperor of Austria. " MAnatn, AUG. 14.—Their Majesties returned I ere To today evening. The Cortes have adopted moe of the Loti. cies of the plan of; a National Militia, fur enrolling all Spa niards from the age of 18 to 50.” Charlestown Papers .arrived this morning to the 3d of August; they contain no new s.—The United States' frigate Constellation, Capt . . It Ina 1:-; I x, sailed front New York on the '2oth ult. ; she will touch at Buenos Ayres, to land Mr. : iFo nun, Commercial Agent from the United States to that Government, and then proceed ou a three years' cruize in the Pacific Ocean. TrtE FUNDS.—This is . Settling Day for the Account, and front tt(e great fluctuations that have-tahen place, the differooces to pay are rery heavy. The consequence has been an unusual large assembly this morning, and ac cording to the way each person's account has gone, his COM:- tenancy. is. regulated ; !nog facesare no novelty in the alley, hut this morning seems to hate imported a greater number than usual. At 12 o'clock, however, no Defaulter had been declared ; Consuls opened at for Money, .and for,next time (Sq; an immense quantity of Stock has been carried over to the next account, and as tire Foptinuatitill nut abl/Ve 5 per Cent., a greater . quantity more is expected. The state of the Market is at present very gloomy, and the Speenhoots in (avow' of an advancd have been straining every nerve to raise the Funds; India Bonds, Fxchequer Bills, and every kind of, security, have been pledged to raise money; hut from the present uncertain state of domestic affairs it has been,in effectual. There is a want of confidence among Monied ;ties' in the Country, which bears down all endeavours to raise the price. The Right Hon. VESEY FITZGERA r.n,.nur Am bastalOr 'to the Court of Sweden, left town yes. terday to embaii: at Yo t rrnouth. , I SECOND E 9 iTIO-i. SCNOFFICE, HaV-Past Fitt! HOUSE OF LORDS.---(Tiers After the conclusion of the Debate the eOl ruination of 'Witnesses was resumed. B• NTZ was called in again, and underwen' t$ on , cross-examinatlon but nothing material 14 : - • • , •,. a r° elicited tendi►►g to i►npeach her testimony'. An Italian was tlu called, who Was doo l kcepf,r or traiteur at the Grand Bretagne Inn,' N I t of szi . . Venice, when the PnlNcEss was there in ISI and when she was afterwards at Venice. 11 'OLL( For GOods, first time when BEnGANII was in his Courier For ttc id, t ‘ 7-r °Per Str,w dress, was the period at iNhich the incident stat ° l f l e in the ArronNEY-GE - srll tr.'s Speech took p lat he! of the PRINCESS taking off a gold chain froul ' 1110 , s alts, 4*l C4ll neck, and placing it on the ne Cs of BERG The witness deposed that lie was present i n vtpeE C room wlwn the gold chain was bought O jeweller at Venice. (whose Dame and re' dence he mentioned) and when after a te' the Pitt NCESS took the chain off her neck, •and placed it on the neck of GANII. The latter took it off again, and pWI t on the neck of the, PRINCEF,S ; they then rei . • iced to another room. The witness was cr'°) examined by `lr. N, particularly a 5 (3, 0 s the d at , • 4'Pteu what he was to receive for his evidence, but positively denied that he bad not made any gain, or that any promise had been made to except to pay his expences. The further proceeding was adjourned till morrow morning at ten o'clock. Snip N F.NI S. NA / C lIEEN LAND TIHIE:111". NORTH SHIF.I.Os, AUG. .27.—Arrived the Elice, 1100 ' .1 row Greenland, with 7 fish, 35 tuns oil. Ant:nut:Es, A uG. U.—Arrived the Neptune, Riddyt ft - Greenland, .2 fish ; Henrietta, Small, from do. , 7 fish; Pr i ; Craigie, from ditto, 3 fish ; and Hercules, front d' v clean. - P onTs m O UTH, Ann. 23.—Arrived his Majesty's ship ro- tarf from the West ladies and Havannaly; sailyd tram the 27th July; and the Aurora transport , from the Cape 0 04' Hope. I.lvEnroot., AUG. 27.—Tlte brig ltirmons, with China clay, from C;arlestown (Cornwall), wa* lust on the North Mull; last night—crew Thellorning Chronicle continues to conlll,l that .the names and places of abode of the ;;1 1 ; nesses against THE Qt: KEN were withheld. concealment waS a measure of necessary 1)° 1 ,;e 1 for reasons that need not be explained, a 3 11 ,fJ can readily be surmized. It is equally ab s i v in that and other party prints to rebrobate witnesses on one side because they are Italialift. foreigners of any description. The w itneFses other must also be foreigners. The:simple clue is, have the former spoken truth, and if a° t te' their falsehood be fully expo sed, a nd their a'' volence properly punished. A. Mail from'Flanders, and German rap' that `H, recent dates, have arrived. It appears . nesses in the proceedings relative to the - ac r ' d t., conduct continue- to pass through Urn'''. otl their way to England. A de4criptlotjt;l' the Officers implicated in the late .conspiri;,,ii!' Paris has been sent to the frontier towns, orders , to use e xtraordinar ) - Nl,, r'lan .ce ,t • ,a t, apprehension • of . those who have escnio - Parisianpolice. An article from Vienna Toe llt i l i ,g, that since the departure of the troops fo r t r' Peruvian bark has risen' 40 per c ent. ao° • d 01 , most extensive contracts have been entere • 1 for the supply' of the Ilospitn ls p• • are organising on the full war etablislimei - t The Aurneg qf his Majesi,;s Ehphani 1 ‘ ) , s e° son—The Young Elephant, two nears olt over to thk crier try from India by the Mat7gdeis o f i1 , 1 041,j ai a present to his MAJc , TY, was r edioved trout th e t , hr t c Mews on Saturday night, omit'. the care of the keepers of the Royal Meinozeri”. Fret , r Thantroe•oole'v',. set out on their joornerat ten o'clock, and reached ft er t o , 1-leath'ltetween one and two on Sunda , h.tor countering much rain. On their arrit:,l •it the sigfot, Wazgon and 1-lorses, the inmates had all retired " r 'diseoveritq a stable th.or on the latch , their Charg e o o ta i no incitation, and ionising up to tie of the stall'' ' t ° 05 1 1 t ' 11‘ Milted a slumbeting countryman who had taken 01) ters on some straw. 'flit timott at this time place, enabled 't he um thus !o t ' to discover I his unexpected'int i!d, alarf.,sioy that hesprring op in the createst terror and a! , " - T, 1 , e itt 4 4 ,11 crying out and making for the stable door. The % t ett „` of vain endeavoured to pacify him, hut the mail 0% 1 3 et'y the Devil h a far him; oweer. after tahio„ two wit of the o Keeper's footle h , he was pre vented g:c4e,rd, fits. Having halted and rested themselves the)' ttr heir journey till reaching S t ai nes, where the a antnn : n: ..c vit aI.P at .0 1 his loaf of bread with 11 w Kee sees to the greo ' the surrounding speeta ors. At In o'clocl , I Lucy tic hvi rt d then charge into lioyafeustody— ItIItTI-1. t t h e iiu On the 210 instant, at Langley Farm, )4n, Cutcil4, of a daughter. ^ ‘1.3- ' .‘Itit.IED, • s On the 26t 1 .1 instant, ;it l Chelsea Llnirch. '' zir, th: Nl.trittoroll-qit.trt:, litottiptial, Esq. 0 1 Trroot, t ItlcA dattOttur Wiili;tm ol• sec NE D. • ------ c ~ ;o.g • ' 0' ~ LONDON: Printecl liy.l. B. CARSTAIBS. 4 ' d bl g , Orinood-street. Clorro-stiunre; and put' l l' i ' t. ..t IItirdei .ACIIIPPS, 1 . 1 No. 7, South Molton-streel, —., .., Lrticts, &c. Office, No. 112, Strand ; where: Adrev tisemell'° (post-paid) muss be addressed.' thilchter of R Y( v 4l , Pttl, t th ri ~~ ht~ v: ti, 1 t,,,