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41 19 .tno4lnemt in Cut *ulterior of the toGntry, leas one of the triiineroua little accidents which most occur to create dilay.io prosecuting an in quiry of this ,n ature. He who thought less than eight months would terminate the affair deceived binself egregiously. And even if it were only four, he entreated them to spare the Country the tariokv, the agitation, and vexation tbat must re stilt even for till time He now came to state the mentier in which her 111ajesiy had been neared whilst abroad. It was not, he eekitowl 'deed, a matter of strict right to pray for her Majesty; bet the consequence of striking her Ma ' jesty out of the Liturgy ,ryas the signal for nt.glect arid instil , nu the ! girt of the Episco palian power in whole territories sire happeued to be at the rinse t his was eotie, et mu iii etantly withdrew from her :‘,l-ijesty the Gear(' or Iloimor, which till then pile had b:•eri From :his acid front malty other similar it''.3tances insult and . inconveutence which her ,liWj sty seffered ill cousequettee of the oegleut of her o.vo country, it seemed strange that she should have been I r COW We ort g ieally to go to the Conti rent, because vot being oil let uis of alnl7 y with he; Royal Cou , ott, she was unable to go to Court it; Ii r own conni y objeclioo would be obei-ited lit tweigia kingricens. The lion. duo LedirprO Oen - trio, In C.DCl.l‘loti, s..)i),i'l.Ved, 11141 isei bad commended lllrll to call tor fair, lull, - amid nifen ex.atuitrarion. The speedier anti ampler it r, a.:, the more she would be sari' it d. That the examination should be short. he (tlr. Brougham) tett' ; and, if it was to be made, he, for that reason said also, the sooner the better. But her IThejesty pi or est s 'against sect et instlt utitans, which slliedier it be called a Grand Jury, .a Secret Tribu nal, or an luvisiWe Tribunal, her Majesty calls on ' that body to la her see its procreditig, and hear the witnesses. And I also, Sir, (continued the Holt. arid ',earned Gent.) as a Member of this 171,itisP, call upon it before it goes one step further, to n eigh well all the circumstances I have sub mitted to it. My last prayer, and the last wish that I breathe is, lbau the uegociations may not be harken off al at once ; arid that it it be pos siole pill any way to spare the country the pain of this inquiry, it will be far worthier of Iris Majes• ryes Ministers. to take tha• course, than roconti nue in their piesent one merely for sake the of showing their skill in successfully steering clear o f diiiicultits of their present sit.uation.—(Coo tinned, Clieering.) Mr. CANNING never rose with rncre pain,and ItlifEc.ilty than on Ibis iiccasiors. He agt etal with every syllable which had been uttered by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman as to the miscliievons ef fects which were likely to ensue from pursuing the inquiry. He gave the Learned Gentleman full credit fur being sincere and zealot's in endeavour ing to manage the affair by ovgociation. He denied that tire blame of the failure of th4t ne gociation was to be attliblited to the Govero ment. If tire terms offered were such as at the fir'tt blush appeared oLvioutly 'ruff f or tine Queeta's acceptance, why were not the mo difications now hiuted at by the Honolirable and Learned Gentleman propos. I to Government be fore breaking off the treaty i Wlry was that step advised arid taken, which, as it was declared, Acotild at 011C1 put an cod to all negoci.tion ? lie defendeel the explanation given to the conditions 'which had beet) offered by fjord Castlereagh. - lie contended that there was toe inteotion of dimi nishing her Royal dignity in those offers. The limn which Merl been proposed was one. which had been settled upon on past occasions. the amartiege took place, the Act secured the Princess of IVales a4ointure of 50,0001. on the death of the Prince. 'fire same 811111 load been settl e d on bet. in 1814-i and the death of time King bail alone made it nrcessary to introduce to the House an other pecuniary arrangement respecting her. The Right Hon. Gent. expressed considerable disap pointmerit at the defeat of the negociatiou which bad been attempted, and touch more disappoint ment at tire deetaratio:.s which had accompanied it. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite bad been pt)' into possession of the plan of Ministers, and he (Mr. C.) had felt no doubt that when Mr. Brougham set off for St. thnei's, he had carried with him such instructions and terms es must of necessity lead to a satisfactory con clusion. Ilis surprise was great at hearing that the negociatiou was broken off. Ministers had been blamed for this. The House was linle prepared to hear what he WaS about to tell them. Government bad in the commencement of the ha- silicas made one false step. They had listened to' a communication made to them in secret ; of course that condition precluded Them from winking known the name of the party. All the stepslvhich bad since been taken had been the suggestions contained in that communictilion. They had been asked how it could ever enter into the heads of Ministers !o ofr-r wit 'elms; and all the terms were such es hAd been proposed to them through this chanitti lie was little prepared to hear of the sudden indignation of the Qoeen at these terms, which be had received such good rea • sops to expect would be graciously receiv- ed. He was more sttt prised still to learn the pre• conceived resentment against those terms which had been avowed by the Honourable and Lea , !led GentleinAti oppo,l;e. Ile entered in,o a defence of tl►e conditions which had brew proposed. lie had before had the honour of being consulted by the Quern in 1814, as to the proposal which was then made to her to quit the country. He ha►i advibed her, undrr an the circumstances, that she would find her- self more happy abroad than she could possibly he in England, arter such irreconcileable displeasure as herpresencehadexcited in her illustrious Con. tort. He would give the same advice now ; and why did he give this advice before ? Because he Saw at that time that faction had tn4rked her tir its own— (Cheers from the Ministerial side)—because be perceived that she would become the rallying point of political intrigue —(Loud cries from the Opposition Benches) — and of disaffection. Had any thing transpired since, or was there any thing observable in the conduct of the present business which could reason- ably induce him to alter that opinion So far from it that he felt that opinion to he now entirely corroborated. As long as bis Majesty acted as Begent, as long as he continued to exe►cise a vicarious authority, no consideration would have induct 3Gorernment In advise or countenance the agitation of this question ; but on the demise of hi. late and the accession of his present Majesty, it as sumed a new aspect. and things could no longer stand still. The erasure of a name from the Liturgy did tipt necessarily imply an indignity or degra dation to the subject of the change. The Duke of Cumberland was always prayed for in the miblic service (luting the reign of George 11. ; he supposed that on the accession of George HI. he continued the some respected person as he was before, but his name was thenceforth omit ted. In the present instance, the omission was a pats of the arrangement contemplated at he time it was resolved on. The decision tie that head was adopted no the same day that the proposals for accommodation were made to the Queen. Atid he fully agreed with those who called it a neural measure, as a step that interred neither degradation nor the contrary. Ile had conscien , ioesly believed that those proposals were such as would be isccepted, and it the whole - nests ter were referred anew to his judgment, he saw no reason why he should not again recommend the course Wirt), as that most conducive to the honor of the Crown, the peace Of the Country, and the tratiqeihi:y atilt happino ss of the Royal Person age most ileatiy concerned. He hoped, there tore, he had delivered the Minisfty trout the chaige of a wilhog eucorinter of tie question, tie whole difeicitity Bed - delicacy of which he fully felt. lie was to admit that there teas 110 case so pteciselyeanalagous to the present, as to furnish a precedent. But when the Croern was in a situation in which experience was no guide, he thought that it was in the spi rit of the Constitution to appeal to Parliament for its conesel, advice, and assistance, and that it was equally so that Parliament should afford it. The Hon. and Learned Geoilentait (Mr. Broughani) had found great fault with that part of Iris Notlle Ft fiend's speech which likened the investigation before a Secret Committee to the proceeding before a Grand Jury, and wished, he supposed, that they should assume the charac ter of public. accusers, " in which sir oation," said the Right Holt: Gentleman, " so help me God, I till never place mysclt The question iesolved itself into this, whether they should exa mine the papers in an open or a Secret Comnenter; wh:cliever of these should be resolved on, they. were greatly mistaken who_ imagined that the Queen would not have the fullest opportu y afforded her of explanaf ion, of examining and sitting all the evidence which might be exhi bited against her to the bottom, a nd of defence. Nvxt to the wish that the inquiry should not go on at all, was this, that the Queen should come out of it, having been entered on, triumpliatit over all accusations. Never in ail public situa tion or private capaci!y had he experienced a difficolty similar to that by which he had been oppressed in the course of this transaction. lie should rather have been in any part of the world than obliged to perform the part ins posed on him. To her Majesty he telt, and he trusted should ever feel himself bound by the ties of gratitude and attachment. His feelings, his wishes, he might say his affections, were on her side ; but, notwithstanding, he did not think upon, the fullest consideration, and upon con sulting with his friends, that he should have dischalged the ditty he owed to his King and the office he htld , if he had obeyed tl►ese private feelings, and fled from meeting the task. lie knew that he could not hale declined it wiih out leading to an inference unfavourable to the opposite side, namely, that there was some thing of severity or injustice in the course pur bWd. But he saw none. If Ise had seen feelings of another kind prevailing no consi deration on earth could have induced him to t.ise apart in having them gratified. Till two Mays ago he had every hope of averting the painful sacrifice of private feeling he had been compelled to mdse. The lion. and Learned Member who Lad charged them, with acting »s they had done in the affair, from a wish to' retain their places, knew the charge not to he true.—(rear, hear, hear !)—lf by any sacrifice of an individual so insignificant as himself, the pitiful necessity forced upon Ministers could have been avnitl- ed, he would most willingly have retired into the most humble situation. Bur they bad been disappuinted in their hope3,all their purposes had been trustrated, and the cup dashed from their lips. These was then but one course before theta. For himiself, having now discharged his duty to his Sovereign, and the situation in which he was placed, lie should abstain, as muck as possible, from all future interference with the present question. Air. BROUGHAM explained at considerable length, but we are linable to give more than a Ines e outline. He thought there c 0 ,11,1 be little secrecy in the communication made to 15 Canine, Nlinisicrs, and quoted the example of Courts of Justice, as setting their face against any state ments of imperfect uncompleted attempts at q_ compromise which might prejudice a cause. alb his to he cared not it he was flu►►g over• board, so that his principal was not injured, and lae p►n:estesl that the Queen had no know- le►!ge of the communication that had been made in July 1819. He ,pledged his word to de fend himself against the imputation, whenever it could be done without implicating others and pointed out several discrepiost circumstances which might fairly make him a parry to the pto positions itr July, and an enemy to those of Ministers at St. Omer's. He disclaimed having acted as an agent of Alinisfers—he %vas tl►e H gent of the Queen, and when he went to Lord Liverpool, lie Went in that capacity, on the cum n►and of a higher authori'y. He argued that Lord Hutchinsou's instructions were different, and much mit se from the memoranda furnished to him--and, afier a toll acquittal, was inclined to agree with the Right Hon. Gentleman, that her Majesty would be happier abroad than in this Country. Mr. TIERNEY said, it was impossible that any man of good feelings could come to this question without the deepest anxiety. His only satisfac tion was, that he 144(1 had nothing to do with the negotiations which seemed to have brought all the parties concerned in them into a piteous plight.— (A laugh !)—All be knew of them was what he had picked up its the course of the discussiou. ilt AIARTI,N, of Gdlway, thong)) not a party man, !lid not think this a Ministerial question, and therefore he should vote-fur the adHonnient, A !tight Hon. Gentleman_ had wished an adjust went of differences, in order that the Queen might have a permanf - ;it residence in this country. lie thought however that no - amicable adjustment could possibly take place, unless her Majesty re tired Iron► this country. He knew this to be the opinion of her Majesty's legal adviser. He should ask an Hon. Alderman whether he ad vised that her Majesty should return to this coun try.--((;c its of Order ! Order !) Sir 1% ACKLAND hoped the motion of his lion. Friend would be adopted. 'Ministers would do well to recollect that preripi!ation hi.' placed the country in its present state, and- that a delay of tivo days might save the country incalculable evils. Mr. Goocx hoped a few days might bring about such a reconciliation, as would put a stop to the disgusting and horrible disclosures which must otherwise take place.—(Hear l) Sir E. KNATCHBULL requested his Mjesty's Ministers to accede to the proposition. In so doing, they would give satisfaction to a large pro pottion of the House, and could not fail to give satisfaction to the country. Mr. DAVENpour concurred in recommending, a delay, but if we understood the Hon. Member proposed that Monday text should be substituted for n iday. Lord (...;ASTLERRAGH felt disposed to accede to the proposition' of the Hon. Gentleman though from the knowledge he bad of the subject, he could not flatter the House that any good effect would result torn the delay. He must, ho►vever, call he attention of the House, and be also telt tl►,nt its indignation would follow, to the speech of the Rt, lion. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Tierney) Who had accused Ministers of not givineadvice to their Royal Master, but rather of en►ieavouring to defend themselves at the King's expence. lie bad now to declare that it was his Majesty's com mand that Ministers should not mix up any state ments of their own with this important subject. His M►►jesty notwithstanding his own personal feelings, having determined to throw himself en tirely on his Parliament for advice and counsel. The motion fur adjourning the Debate to Fri day next, was then agreed tn.—Adjourned at One o'Cloek. If oil y the speech of the night iidnaltrahle denial' who had last spoken, had been tittered, he should have felt himself hound to say a few words, because without any negociation at all, and withoot even any consoentionsoess On his part, it had been proved by the Right Hon. Gen tleman, by an argument like the House that Jack one thing drawing on another, that he (Ur. T.) refusing to vote a sum of money, had brought this discussion on the House and the Country. Mr. WILISPItt'ORCE had hoped that they would have been spat ed this paitiful discussion. It was impossible to have any negociatioo when the illustrious personage was to be denied all , isle to her rank in this country. He was sure that all in that House would agree with him in his wish that this should proceed no further. At all events, he should wish that they shoot() pause for a day or two in order to see whether the instrumentality of the common friends of the fealties might not effect a reconciliation—(Hear !) —There was no Man in the country but who would wish to avoid Oils painful extremity.— (Cries of Move ! Move !)—He confessed that it any measure were to be proposed of this nature it must have the very best effect. His object was to sound the [loose irder, it possible, whether a proposition of this kind cannot be entertained. — There was no sayin;; what the consequences of such an ingliry as this might be.--(Cries of Move !)-1-le would rather gather the opinion of the House before he did so. Ile then moved an adjournment till Friday (to-morrow.) Mr. F. BUXTON said, as the Sovereign had con descendt d to usk their advice, they would give him their advice, and a wiser advice never wAs :given by any Pat liament to a Monarch, namely, that of sparing to the House; the country, .and himself, disclosures of so dangerous a nattier: as t hose with which they were threatened.—Wear, hear, heat !)- Mr. C. W. WYNN said, that some might appre hend more and so.ate less evil front tite proceed ings on whirl] they %vete about to enter; but all would agree that pure and unmixed evil must re sult trout them. Tice deity proposed, by afford ing opportunities for reconsidertog this subject, might yet prevent the evil.—(Hear, hear !) NJr. S. tlionTLEv said, after what had taken place be had very little hope of any compromise; but as a great many Members thought that the delay might produce a compromise, the House would do well to consider whether it ought not to makethat small sacrifice. THE QUEEN, &c. Mr. BROUGHAM and Mr. DENMAN, as het MA JESTY'S official legal advisers, held a consulta tion with .her INIAJESTY yesterday, before the sitting of the tsvo Houses of Parliament, to take into consideration what measnre [lt Y be most adviseable to adopt, in constqueu r e of the Ales.; sagewhich the KING sent to Parliament last night. The result of which was the Royal Message to the House of Commons, to which we refer in the proceedings of the House. Her MA.J'ENTY rose yesterday-morning so early as five o'clock, and continued for some time afterwards engaged in writing. She appears to be quite recovered from the fatigue of her journey - , and in excellent health and spirits. Mr. Alderman Wool) waited upon her Royal Highness the Duchess Of KENT yes terday, by the Qbeares command, to express her NIAJRSTY'S condolence ou the lamented death of the Duke of KENT, anti to inrioire after the health of her Royal Highness and her Royal In fant. A Court of Common Council, it is expected,' will be sum moned in a few days, to take into consideration the pro priety of addressing the QUEEN, on her arrival in this coun try—a Requisition, numerously signed, was last night pre sented to the Lord Mayor on the suhject.—A Requisition was also yesterday presented to the High Bailiff of Westminster, fur calling a meeting. of the inhabitants, with a view to a si• milar prvceviing. ?RICE 0 THIS nAY AT 3 per Cent, Red. ....Q4A 3i per Cent. ''7 7 , 4 4 per Cents - BG4 . 5 per Cent. Scrip. 1 4. STOCKS ONE 0 CLICK. .• Ili Bank hung Ann..... • • • • twiir Bonds .... 12i. 13i. F r : Each. Bills, par 1611 : Cons. for Account .... “7,01 i THE SUN. SOLEM nuts DicEEE 1 0 .11.suM AUDEAT ? LONDON, THURSDAY, JUNE 8, 1820. We received this 'limning the Paris Papers ° I Monday last. Their contents are of very little importance. A Council of all the Ministers wa s held on Saturday evening 'at the hotel of th e Keeper of the Seals, which sat for three hours. -"A Sunday morning the Ministers and several of (ti e Marshals paid their respects to this KING, an d la he cnurte of the day the Minister for Foreign Allsirs transacted business with his MAJEsTY•' Another Council of Ministers was also held ou Sunday.—The Madtid accounts of the 25th tdr• state, that the Meetings of the Club of Lorruci iii had been put an end to by order of the KING. Private Letters from Paris, received this morn- ing, state, that in consequence of the Elrctiou Projet having been agreed to on Nlondely by the Chamber of Dvioies, a (heedful Riot had lake!! plice at Prais. Th e Militaty were called out, 3I: a the mob disjtersed, but not betore several lives wet e lost. We call state from aqthority, that the Loan i 3 not to be bid tor this day, as expected, but to' taut row, at 10 o'clock. We yesterday, hr a Second Edition, stated, up' on good antlio;-ity, that a '`,leSsage f:•oal her .'«A' 3I Was expected to be subwitted last night ro Parliament, announcing her return, her reliance upon the justice of Pat liament, and her demlnd of an open trial as to the ci►arges against hes. The Public Will see by th►e Parliamentary Repot :4 that our informa , ion was authent►c, that the Message in question tars delivered yestesday by Air. BROVGUAM in the House of Commons, Ii that we give a correct outline of its sobvance• The subject is now before l'Arliarnew, and wlW°' ever policy, humanity, and delicacy might pro• pose, and however melancholy or repulsive the detail may be, eve do not see how it is possible to avoid a tull developernent of all the' transat— tions which have led to the deplorable investi , - gation. To keep the waiter seer-et would ee.• monstrate very little regard to the People Yt large. The House of Commons is the Representative Body, ond their Constitutmti have a rigl'c to investigate their conduct. It is imposstWe to doubt that, before Ministers, under the sanction of the Throne, commnriic...ted tlrg Message which brought the subject before the Country, they hail maturely considered the propriety, indeed 'the necessity, of the measure..-" '[he Hypothesis suggested by the Earl of Liveß. root, last night, in the House of fiords, spoke voLuer es. Its impurt is too weighty to suffer the subject to be suppresEed. A character inure pore , Piet, and honourable than this Noble Lord, cannot be found, and lie never. %vonld hazard a light and unwarranted sopposit 'Die innocence or guilt of the Personage in Ties" (ion ()tight therefore to be ascertained. There is nn intermettiate course. Her chatliCter will be gone for ever; it the charges 'are not OPENLY MADE, anti as OPENLY REFUTED• Shal t the People, bending as they are, beneath mina.. voidable, but heavy pressures, be called upoh to gi'e a vast income to one, who, to repeat the observation it Mr. TIERNEY, may p o ssi. bly be wholly unworthy of her station ? We hopc,, hOwever, tom the firmness with which her NIA.. JEST? comes forward, and time resolution with which she demands a public Trial, that she acts from the consciousness of innocence, and that she will vindicate her conduct in the eyes of man isind.—But 'it otherwise, a distinction must be made between INNOCENCE and GUILT, and a id' fering People ought not to have !heir burthen 9 increased in order to bestow those benefits on the latter which the former only can deserve. COURT OF KIN G'S BENCH, JUNE 7. THE KING I'. WAITIIMAN Ni)A OTHERS. The rule obtained by the SOLICITOR-GENERAU against the defendatrs tor a tint, and -obstructing the Election of a Lord Alaenr, for the City of London, on Michaelmas Diy,last, was ibis dof dischatged. Tuts KING'S LEvisa:=Yes'erclay his MAles“ held his third Levee this year at Carlton [louse' Which Was numerously and tpleudidly attend ed ' The Marquess of Bucx.lNGlinm Wil3 created 11 - ,15:nil; ht Of t he Girter. PLyr,souTH, JUNE G.—Arrived the Venus, poeg* nartl, 11 - oln Alica:;_t for .Jersey ; when off Altneri 4 11:ty, on the 3d ult., she was hourited-hy a ee(gel with la tten sails; manned by Spahiards, who spol g 0 English, and who pliindeicd the crew of s' their clothing, bec.ides iii.treAtinp.; them, jtWI" supposed she bad sailed Iron) Giuriltar. Mik 100E1). . Aqtr On Tor.day se'nnigitt, at Strplien's, Cornwall, J. o• wood, or 13iat;ey, Esq. to Miss France, daugu— of Lieutenant France, R. ,N. DIED. ISrs. On Monday, June sth, at tiffingfieid-place, Essex, !In:grave, in the 84th year of ber-age. Printed by .1. B. CARSTAIIIby NV. I 12, STRASD•