The Sun. — London, England, 1815-02-23 00:00:00

`'litt tiU'y tiVreet3 The re'll - ni;• uera . tiag price at loiva - t- than and tiravre alitokee it. 1 hIS was quite a iniStaiie; but might very na turaii-: take o.i:et:: hi 'rnaking a report upon such s,„l, .!inous bell-eved that there was to - surveyor who 'stated a higher price than 80s. except Mr. Easton. That,(iientitman had how `ever said, that it would probably kit tcs 645. if taxes and other charges were diminished. Mr. Maxwell had stated 755. as a fair protecting price to the farmer. Mr. Mant had stated, to his .. knowledge, that arable land in Scotland had tri pled wig bin twenty years : and he had also stem!, that he thought 755. a fair protecting, price. The estimate of almost all the surveyors had been 'flatir on the supposition of existing prices and rates. It appeared, therefore, to him, that it was laity inconsistent with the evidence to say now that 80s. was the proper remunerating price. It appeared to him, that judging from all the evidence, the fair protecting price would be between 72 and 76 chit lings, and he should therefore consider 74 as about that price. The country should recollect that we were not now making any alterations in the old 'system of the Corn Laws, but it ryas merely fol lowing up the principles of those laws which had been long established. His opposition had been . founded on the want of information that the House was possessed of last year. De also ob jected to such high sums as were propoSed for the. protecting prices. He would not consent that sach prices as 140 s. or 120 s. should be fixed as the protecting price; neither would he last year (when the House had so little information). consent that 90s. should be fixed as that .price. He was con vinced that there must be some protecting price, and he had already stated his opinion of what that should be under the present circumstances.— He concluded with expressing his - approval of the system of warehousing imported Corn, as one great evil had hitherto been the sudden fluctua (ions to which the market was liable. . Mr. PoNsoNBY declared his decided opinion to be, that the Resolutions proposed to the House by the Right ;Hon. Gentleman opposite- were such as deserved its support. He knew not whether this doctrine was popular or unpopular out of doors ; but if unpopular, he,,Aould the more feel it bissduty to deliver his ouinion, as be felt it would be taking an unworthy advantage of Mi bisters, whom he usually opposed, unless lie de clared his concurrence with them in this instance —(Hear !)'He did not mean to enter at length into details ; his vote was formed on a few general principles. It was his decided opinion, that no country which aspired at greatness should make the subsistence of its people dependent on other nations—(Hear !) Abstractedly speaking, per-• fect•freedom of commerce would be a great ad vantage ; hut it would not be wise to pursue it in this case at the expense of every thing else. r -Indeed, it was unattainable ; fur no man could say, that he could so command or influence the legislatures of other countries, as to make it safe for us to depend upon them for supplies. The farmer had as good a right to the fair protection of his capital and his industry as the manufac turer ; . and when the latter came forward and said, th,at it would be safe for him to part with the protection which he now enjoyed from foreign competition, then also .it.would be safe for the farmer to introduce perfect freedom into the co/ti-, coerce of grain. He would lay it down as another principle, that of all classes the farmer and the labourers in agricidture should be most favoured in the policy of every grest country. He did not mean unduly favoured, for no iron) was more sen sible of the value of the manufacturing and com mercial classes ; but in point of importance., whe ther viewed as to peace or war, they were subor dinate to the agriculturists. In peace, if he Look ed at moral conduct, they were generally speaking superior ; and in war, the pursuit of agriculture produced a set of robust ami hardy people, supe riorly qualified for military seryice. It was stated, hOwever, that this was a measure mainly intended to raise rents ;. to continue those which were high, or to raise those which had fallen. Ile was nei ther ashamed nor afraid to say this Was a good consequence—(Near !) For did .the other classes of society really think that they could. derive any advantage from reducing the farmer and the Gentleman in the scale of society ? He would ask the manufacturers, and the shopkeepers, who w e re to be the purchasers of their commodi ties, if the agricultural classes were impoverish ed Whete would they find another or a her s . ter market.? In truth, their interests, rightly (Sdusidered, were the same whir those of agri culture. It was • impossible for a great coun try that was highly agricultural, not to be also highly manufacturing. There might be some ex ceptions to this in the states of antiquity; but in modern times it would be found almost uniformly true ; and one consequence of this was, that the home market was always the best. Thtwe was another view which he wished to take. To rwise rents, •it was said, was a .grievance. Nay, one writer, he had seen, had the absurdity tr, assert, that sent made no part of the wealth of a. State. What was rent ? It was merely surplus produce, nothing more. It was that . NVIIICII was left of the produce of the soil; after' the farmer was repaid, for his labour and his capital in rendering his ground productive. That soil which was rendered the most productive left the greatest surplus, and paid the most rent. Who, then, esarld say that the national, capital was not thereby increased ? In regard to Ireland, skis question was peculiarly important. She never coold be .to any great extent a manufacturing country, as compared with England. She, the mast. recollect, had been kept down and slepreseed for 6:.)0 years. England, foolishly for Herself, had long stunted the growth of Ireland : lair Ireland could be a great agricultural coun try, nod thus afford the . most essential assistance to the sister island, and a growiug market for Iser manufactures. In this view, lie would assert, that the 1 .2 - rll establishing a free trade in grain in I wce . O . - O'c two countries, of which his Right Ilei;oevable. Friend, the Member for Waterford, ties the tmtlior, more for the strength power -of I he ingdom than any Ines sare since the . Nari;ntion .Act—(hear, hear !)- - 01-it had I.4.ten she conseuticnec Of this measure on:, th;!_papers on the table the quantities that Ireland had supplied ioi' the consump ; :;;; this.cOuntry. Ceuld.it have been a grats- seXtion the that kb` , 6si.itive tffittlitir - s had liven derived ft"orn the Baltic or I\•orn t'raiice I te ar 1.) tie would triN the interests of _lreland tit the Legislation Of a flritisli Parliantent. A Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Rose) had said., that in Ids opinion the import price should be froM 725-. to 765. He ()Ir. P.) would not dis pute about a tew shillings, hat would only obsCi ye, that most of the persons who were hest competent to judge had stated eighty shillins, acid he could accept this as a fair price. He could not approve of the descending scale of his Ho nottrahle Friend (Mr. Baring). The great object was the protection of the farmer, who never could be. encouraged to improvement, if in the lapse of a few years, he might expect to he met and under sold in the home market by a fereign competitor. It was said, however, that this measure would ren der food dear. fle agreed that it was important that' the m:anufacturing classes should have their food at as reasonable a rats i§ possible; but then this rate must be such aslo' render it consistent with other interests of at least cqualTimportance. Lie acknowtOged also, that tile Resolutions, if adopted, ivektild have the immediate effect of rais.. jug the price ti 4 (pod but .he.otterly denied that they would permapuntly have that elect. On the contrary, by. prodiMing a certain and steady sup ply, they would make food much cheaper, on an average of years, than if we were to trust to un - L certain importation, 'while oar own agriculture Was depressed. Mr. l'Onsot t bY concluded, amittst loud cheers trout all parti of the House, with de claring that he gave the Resolutions, his warmest conCliffence. WHITBIZEAD was : not surprised that the House should- have strongly felt the argumenta tive speech of his Right lion. Friend who • had just sat down. .In his (Mr. 'V.'s) opinion, how -1 ever, both writers and speakers on this question had much exaggerated their conflicting cases. ! In endeavouring to make up his mind on the point now before them, he thought that the ihfittence of legislation had been, greatly overv - alued. It: • was pretty clear that the measure-would he nearly nugatory to Cele farmer for the present time, and would probably not have that effect in future which was expected. He had . thought himself rather hardly treated by an Honourable Friend of his, and still more so -by the Chancellor of the Exchequer on - a former night, in relation to an article in which 'he dealt : but now he could free himself and the body, to -which he be • longed from that reproach. He had to announce that the price of beer had fallen that day (cries of bear, hear! and laughter). He was not surprised at this information being hailed by the House; and be could assure them, that it was lowered at. a public meeting of the brewers with as much good humour as the information, was now re ceived, though they could not help thinking that the attack upon them by the Chancellor of the Exchequer was rather cutting and unmerited.— Sometimes, hotv ever, the meekest of men and the modestest of women said the severest things. The assassin-like attacks of anonymous writers be dis regarded; but to those %OR) thought the brewer's profits too•great, he would only observe the price of beer now was 15s. more than it was CO years ago, and of that Government had I Is. leaving to the brewer four-fifths of one halfpenny per pot of profit. Take away the taxes, and the brewers would be able to- sell as cheap as they did sixty years age. His Honourable Friend (Mr. Bar. iug), had said it was a combination to raise the rents of the country ; and another Mem ber (Mr. Marryatt) had stated the immense rise of rent that had taken place on a property of his, as a- sort of challenge to,landholders : but they in their turn • had an equal right : to ask what had • been the profits ,of his commerce. The rise of rents had not been an iniquity. It was a fair increase, re_ salting partly front the depreciation of money and the rise of prices. It was a popularthing to say to the landlords, Down with your rents ! but he would as sert they ought not to come down. How much of the capital of landlords -had been expended oil inclosures, on roads, on draining , ? All the bogs between this and his county had been drained since the time that Gen. Oglethorpe shot snipe;; in Berkeley 7 square. The farmer, in what were called the good_old times, often slaved on his land ; an increase of rent had in many instances stimu lated his exertions, and in a few years he had found himself with much more money in his pocket than before. He was perfectly convinced there had been an unfounded clamour against the rise of rents. True, some lands had been extrava gantly let from overdone speculation ; but taking the country generally, land had not been extrava gantly let. On the other hand, he thought that his Hon. Friend, the Member for Hertfordshire, had too gloomily painted the embarrassments of the Landed Interest. It was a mere panic, which would. soon blow over. lie applauded the mode ration which a Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Rose) had this night shown. Ile was a most seditious person last year. The very types and capitals which he employed in, his pamphlet (ia imitation of those of " Pigs' meat,") would have banged him hi former revolutionary tintes,—(A laugh.) After a great variety of observations and re marks on the subject of the Corn Trade, inter spersed with many anecdotes and allusions, Mr. • Whitbread concluded by observing, that whatever had been the case as to the harveSt in Ireland or elsewere, he had lived to see the day • when it was • urged, that distress was occasioned by the appre hension of Corn not being too cheap. • • . Mr. Rose explained. Lord Binning explained, and stated, that lie•had never expressed any thing that could encourage hostility to France, Mr. Ponsonby alSo eXphined, ami considered it most injudicious to hurry on so important a question. fast the motion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the dibcussion was intiourned to this,day. Monday,. two journey - .blacksmiths who were drinking, at the Spanish Patriot, White Conduit street, Pantonville, having a dispute ahout \ some truing. affair, agreed to decide it by the fist, each staking a - pound .note. They went to a neigh bouringfield and set. to, when, alter fighting se veral rounds, one of them, of the name of was carried of the , a senseless state, and expired iat a.:4loft time al:Lefty:Ards, Annt'i•ti i'ranCe, ktiatertort. birr.—l Malta, 3 tianilitagiv, Ciottenbuteni t Holland, Gdernsey and Jersey: . • PRICE 0 THIS tmy AT T 1 Stock, 3 pet Cent. Ited. Wit 3 per Cent. Cons: 8444 4 per Cent. Cont, 811. 5 per Cent. Nary Atm. P3l - 94.- S't •st.VE It Anin. India ISuttds, InS. ts. pr. Er; Wilt; vi r. Rs. pc. Is. dis, Oninlami .3 2 1 dis. Cons. tOr Account, HIGH WATER AT LONDON hRIDGE TO-MORROW. Morning, 47 minutes after 2. j Evening, 12 minutes after 3. THE SUN. DICERE IFALSVP , I AVDEAT Paris Papers of the 20th arrived this morning, and one of them contains the following anti tnent, expressing the concurrence of Russia in the plan proposed by Austria, Prussia, and Ha nover, for the Federative Constitution of Ger- many : " VIENNA, FEB. Note addressed by . 'Cotin: NESFLVIODC, Minister of his 3f , :- je.rty the EMPEIt9II of IlusslA, to :he ,linbassadors of 4 astr,:a and Przasia,relative to the Federative Coim.titution of Geringny. " The Undersigned has acquainted his Majesty the Em peror, his august Monarch, with the consequences which. .haw resulted from the 'Conferences relative to the_ future Constitution of Germany. His , Majesty the Emperor saw with pleasure, that on the-14th October a plan of a Federa tive Constitution was delivered in by Austria, Prussia, and Hanover, which is perfectly consonant. to the priacipl&s of justice and social order, both with regard to Ike good of in dividuals and the general interest of Europe, by giving to the Confederation the right of .making war and peace, of de ciding differences between the Princes, of watching over the public interests, and regulating the institution of States General—an institution which, guaranteed by the Federa tion, will protect liberty and property.' Their Majesties the Emperor'of Itussia and the King of Prtn,sia proclaimed at Kalisch, .on the 13th March, 1913, that they would assist th e Princes and the People of Germany to conquer their inde pendence. The result of the progress of the Allies was the deliverance \ of Germany, Acts of adhesion guarantee the security of the German Princes, without deciding upon the relations subsisting hct'veen them and their subjects. " The Treaty of Alliance at Chaumont, and the Treaty of Peace at,l'aris, are founded upon the principle that Germany shall - he a Federative State. The Princes of- Germany will doubtless see in that principle a new proof of the solicitude of the Allied Powers, and will acknowledge the necessity of establishing a system which will prevent the evil conse quences which will result from the isolation of ftntes. ft is only in such a system that Europe can finda guarrantee of the interior repose of Germany, and can indulge a hope that the forces of Germany will be wielded by one arm, and will only he employed for the common good. These principles, in all their force, and in all their purity, arc contained 1n the plan delivered in by the Cabinet.; of Vienna, Berlin, nod linnorc r. " Ili Majesty the Emperor of Ru3.sia, therefore, gives his adhesion to the plan, and declares that if eireunistances re quire it, be will support it by his intervention. "Nov. 11, 1814. • "The Undersigned," &c. We copy the following statement from the Mortiteur, but even though in the official French Paper, we can scarcely believe that so absolute a breach of the relations of amity and peace can have taken place. Should it be so, we lOok that effectual reFesentations will be made to. the Court:of Versailles on the subject. A letter froiu Morlaix of Feb. 10th, announces that " The privateer, Commodore M`Donnough:of Boston, commanded by Captain CHARLES Goof).- WICK, has carried into that port four L'ugliyh prizes, among which is the brig Stal of Life, from .Falmouth bound to Havre. This privateer has taken three other prizes, but they are not yet arrived." These Papers arc filled with new speculations on the disposal of Saxony. They are unworthy of repetition. Liege, Limbourg, Luxembourg, and the part of Namur on the right of the Meuse, will, it is reported, be incorporated with Belgium. " We read in some German J&urnals, that the Envoy of MunAT to Vienna has at length been admitted to the Sittings of the Conunittee„charg ed with the Affairs of Italy, notwithstanding the opposition of three Powers. " Fiis Majesty the Emperor of Germany is not yet quite re covered from his indisposition. We are assared that a triple alliance will be concluded between Austria, England, and France." • By the Portuguese brig, Piedcrde, Captain WILLIAM MORRISSY, 29 days from Amelia Island, arrived last night at Kinsale, we have the following intelligence c'. Front :ilnielict Island, Jan. IQ. cc We are informed that a British naval force of 10 sail of the line, appeared off that place, and had made a landing on Cumberland Island. The British flag had Been hoisted on , Mr. MILLER'S house. Only about ewo ttoup3 had loaded there. Very little cotton can therefore be had, as it is pro bable that th e English will not allow even a canoe to pms to Amelia !sland. The general opinion was, that the Savannah would he attacked immediately upon the arrival of Admiral ti o cKt; who was expected everyday. Commodore BAnRIr., in the Dragon, 74, commanded the.Expedition.---The trade of at as cod; awl Point Pctrc,iu Gcoricia, e etas 'clf on tte Cstll Piedade, off the ishind of Bermuda, was hoarded b,it'ne..iilue irican shop bf ivar Hornet, the Constitution and another fr ,- , gate iu Ffh.l7.) There is not a word of truth in either of t«'° keports cirOulated to-day,.th at t 1;( ,; Maidstone friges had been taken by the Constitution; or, as statcd by the'new Organ of Ministers (the Morning Chro nicle), that they, Ministers, have received accounts that New Orleans was in• the occupation of our troops. The fact is most probable, but all that has been said of its certainty, with the mention at, dues, is mere conjecture. Spain emulating France.—The Reindeer brig Pd . vateer, of Boston, of 16 guns and 130 men, put into Corunna the 29th January for water and re freshments. She had been out 45 days, and had THURSDAY, FEBRUARIr es, 1815. made fire prizes. 'LONDON, The Sylph sloop of war, it is reported, is lost between the Del?ware and'NeW London, snd we are sorry to r•lti that it is stated, that only the Purser and five men are saved; Our pages are occupied to the exclusion of much other matter, with the• impoetant De - bate on Corn Laws, which took place last night in 'dlr.: House of• Commons. Mr. BARING, after an ex cellent speech, proposed that any measures adryted should be imp . ortiry, and . on this the discw.siou, which Nvill be resumed. this evening, eusocd.--• Where so much ability is displayed on both sides, any observations from us vvo'uld be superfluous, NAVAL. NEWS. FALMOUTH, FEB. 20.—Arrived the Duke of Kent packet, With a mail from Lisbon, in seven days ; and his ANesty's ship Haughty, iron) Cork. By the Duke of Kent packet We learnt that reports were prevalent at Lisbon of the car ture of the British frigate Maidso . tie by. the Ain"t" rican frigate Constitution. By the packet We also learn, that American privateers were very numerous between Care Finisterrc and Cape St. Vincent's, end that •they bad captured several vessels. -POETSMCUTIT, FEB. 22.—Sailed H. M. S. Hope and Pickle, for the coast of France.-1-i.M.S. yen give , . instruction.; to the ships bound to low - I(l6nd, Quebec, Nova Scotia, and New Bruns.. wick. HAawsou, FEB, 2?.—Tbe Prince of Orange packet landed mails and passengers ye6terday Lowestoff for Holland. Sai:.ed the Leicedter packet for Holland. .Mr. WnrmarAn announced officially, l<tft night, that he and his lasociates in the brewing line had' at length lowered Porter u Penny per Pot. It was full time ; the general outcry of f l4 [ l , Country did not provoke them to this just act, ti" the very intelligible hint from Mr, ‘VANsyrimrr operated in an eztraordinar# speedy way. Letters of the Bth inst. from Vienna, affirm that, the Duke of Wat,LING-zort is seriously ill' of 3 nervous complaint.'. The same advices state wit!) 'considerable confidence, that all the materi' ll points in discussion at Congress had been tio;i l Y adjusted, and that on the Monday following the 0 ; 'raugeMents just concluded would be signed - 3 11( ' sealed. It had been previously reported that the general pacification was settled on the sth inst Tit but thiS was certainly premature.. The l'utNct , . REGENT holds a Levee this - day aft two o'clock, at Carlton House. The Loan CHANCELLOR'S 'Levees will he on 5 3.. ttirday next, and tbe two following Siturdays• p re parations arc - making _ for the reception t" the Duke and Direness of C UMBERLAND, who _o re . expected in England soon after the Easter bo lt " days. . The otaltt-wry of Mr. A. COCHRANE JOHNST° S .I is. confirmed ; and, by a singular coincidence , I was completed on Tuesday, being the annivers' d of the fraud. • KEMBLE finishes his engagement at Manclie. 6 ", ter to-morrow with Coriolanus, tor his own bell ehl The Bank of Amsterdam, formerly so celehratc`, in the commer..dal world, is about to recover fr o° ,,, its long misfortunes. The Burgomasters of that °ll pital have lately published a notice, in which ti declare, in the name of tl.e Municipality, the city of Amsterdam guarantees the fund' ',„ e posited in the Bank, under the security of all property and revenues ()faint city." On Thursday se'nuight some daring thieve' broke into Glasgow Gaol through one of the '' i/V e (lows, and got into the room of Mr. BE:IN ET, desks they opened and rummaged, hut carric" ~, nothing of consequence. One often hears of 1 3- t , sons breaking out of prison. This is the first 3 tempt at n bi.!rgiory on a gaol. to rt Ann Moore, the notorious fasting imlw s whose detection took place abort two years at Tetbury, now resides at Macclesfield, io LAIR shire, with her daughter, on the property S l)6 qui:•ed by her long-practised fraud. COAL MARKET, Fee. :"•. Ships at Market. Ships sold. Price. _ 0/ a 87 ticlrcastle (31 , 3. 3 3 " 1 i p 22 Sadie laud ... .. 134 4ls. bri• to 4 0 6. .....i• if 1 Seutc!i Coal , 0 —.s. Od• t° ~ 0, - I .Cioders ......... I ...."..... Vis: Od. t° —/ MARRIEI). r il f 3g 'testes day, at St.James's Church, the Hon. Sir EdAni.psal get, K.B. M. G. Lrotber of the earl of Cry_bsidge, to ti '' ilarsiet Legge., sister to.theEarl of Dario-south.' DIED. On Wetirtos(l3y, the trAll inst. at Plymouth, after - 0 . 10' and Mrs. Eliza Lediard, wife of Tb arl; l'Ayniaster of the 66th Regiment. 11.41111e.m.••••.•••••••..........., 0 1' rrr LONDON: rrinted by 3, CARSTAIRS, No. It f Imildinzs; Priti published by W. 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