The Sun. — London, England, 1842-06-28 00:00:00

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THE CASE OF NELSON lIAGGETT. - g i nt% HAWES said that, w ith re f erence t o t h e to of Nelson Haggett,Tespecting whom he had addres se d th e Noble, Lord, he wished to know if the Noble Lord had ° PY objection t o l ay t h e correspondence on the subject be re The House, together with a copy of the Colonial Act which th e surrender of Nelson Haggett took place ? ther e could 14°1'd STANLEY said he did not apprehend that be any objection. , CUSTOMS ACT—THE TARIFF. LABOUCHERE wished - to know whether the T ara ; Hon. Baronet cou ld s t a t e t o th e H ouse w h en t h e Bill and the Report of the Customs Acts would be -- v fi ght up, N. - PEEL said he should very much like to bring e rn in at o nce , b ut he could not say when, owing to the h e e° r - law Bill. It was of importance that the Bill should eatant to th e H ouse of Lords. The House generally sat advanced period of the night, and he thought that Full attention could he given at that time ; and he thought t ,_ p wo uld be b etter to proceed with the consideration of th e sl i TJeet after twelve o'lock than n other time. B er i ng the the s t a t e ofc the public at bu a sin y ess, he hoped the usual n. Mcustomember (Mr. Brotherton) would forbear from hi s and throw no difficulty in the wa y o f th e m Pk teedl* u g s . ,„ After a few words from Mr. BROTHERTON, w hi c h id not reach us, r• MI LNER GIBSON submitted to the Right Hon. tae°net, whether it would not be the better course to elite - the Customs Bill first, as he would thus ensure the ;Fpassing without delay. Besides, it was most di▪ s itr:eeable for Hon. Members, when discussing the Poor ‘ B ill to be told that by giving a dispassionate c‘ full discussion to that Bill, they were impeding the r rn ° g T at e u s e s „ of another . Their arguments were thus in wo u l d , k ` kept in , duresse—under a sort of pressure. He weret:ore ask, whether it was not desirable to take f rail le,_us t otas Bill first. He did n o t m a k e thi s sugges ti on " o Stility to th e N ew P oor -l aw . H e was b y no means ri g Vjed to that measure ; at t h e same t i me, h e thought it Bastellow every f a cility f or a f u ll an d dispassionate B.n of it. r PEEL said that when he had spoken of the 'neat on Friday night, he was under an engage the ti n t to the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) to bring on bu s i - „ ri berY Bill to-morrow in preference to any other th e -es '''. He had understood from the Noble Lord that ,e 4; should go on with the Bribery Bill to-morrow pro or,' a ; and take the discussion at some future day—either ~4 Tlll rida y or Monday next. Under those ci▪ r lk st : n ees• he wo u ld p ro p ose , w h a t ever m i g ht sh o , t ,i r ; , Progress of th e P oor -l aw Bill, that they the n loom with the completed Tariff to-morrow, and gn on with the Poor-law Bill afterwards. If there h ire ~ IU ''hiection to this course, they would begin with .tagr if f to-morrow at half-past four o'clock. air, r . - 1.! few words from Mr. T. DUNCOMBE and IIEiV.,„ OI -TCHERE, the conversation dropped. - ACE OF PARTIES BEFORE THE COM- It r PROMISE COMMITTEE. ki11;14,,h , S iv COTT wished to know from the Hon. Member hether in the future proceedings before the I vll lllln ' t tee of w hi c h b e was Ch a i rman , a ll p ersons , ri_ !'ther ga t Members of that House or not, would have a Ss °I being present during the examination of wit- At r l .Yho made charges against them ? 11 ' ) EBUCK said that the mode of proceeding . . 13 Y the Committe e was th a t if an ything f e ll was ' At tness touching another party, communication a s k s to hi m o f w h at h a d b een sa id , an d h e was tioa: if he wished to make any statement in explana the b • That was considered by the Comm i ttee to b e And 7 1 , t mode of cond uc ti ng a ver y i nv idiou s inquiry. cttii ) , k e House, having en t rus t e d the m w ith such in at h° hoped that it would also trust to their dm '. as to the presence of parties. the BRIBERY BILL. s 13 - • RUSSELL gave notice that he would move vivriber/ Bill, pro forma, to-morrow. ill stri k l n- EIL gave notice that he would abandon the wiii e f; 4 ton to th e C omm i ttee upon t h e B r ib ery Bill , o f 1 _ had given notice. TRIAL OF ELECTION PETITIONS. si,, lt i l ;swer to a question from Lord MAHON, P EELsaid that he would move on Thursday, the Diu July, for l eave t o b r i ng i n a Bill to cont i nue t h e or the regulation of the trial of election petitions. si„ POOR-LAW AMENDMENT BILL. debate'AMES GRAHAM moved the resumption of the I t , on the P oor -l aw Amendment B i ll. of t t t ; l IELDEN then rose to oppose the committal ta 4 i ne e Bill, but, in consequence of the noise oc he d by . Members leaving the Hou se , and tt1 4 , , ,, tone in which the Hon. Memb er s p o k e , it was N S"v t inVO SS ibl e to catch a single sentence. We, how hi t A understood him to say, that he gave the measure determinedi, opposition, because ho was convinced the Itil P ' e become disgusted with the Bill. He . entered .0 .‘ oo ,, 4 elous details, showing the harsh working of the li i :2!) . use test, and other provisions of the e Poor-law Act. g as Right lion. Baronet had said, that if the country go~.generally opposed to the Poor-law Bill, there titions pre k„.'g have been more than a few .e ons qi g tii `ed against it ; that there had been petit ag ain signatures only amounting to 25,000 presented ti u ftst the measure. Now he (Mr. Fielden) must say that 4"ztie.,,ltad been more than a few petitions presented ia t '4 the Bill. The Hon. Gentleman here . entered . tarp (.letail of the number of petitions, with their siglia ag:il;whieli were presented to the House this session 1 11 `'w t „ t he Poor-law Bill, but he spoke in such a 13-1, ,lid e ,„ as to bo quite inaudible in the gallery. b r ' s 'lit .4 ,i" think the Right Hon. Baronet had fairly re -24 if t t i,:, \v ,hat was the object of the statute of Elizabeth. 1 - , law were so similar to the present one, it ‘Tithoilt"e recollected its provisions were carried out reason t he aid of a Commission. He did not see any genera "V3* the great powers confided to the Commis ezat be entrusted to them. Why should they : e ssea that control to them which ought not to be , po d s- D c , -11'ee a „nY but those who had immediate superm-en ? The Hon. Member concluded by sup ), a ' r amendment. e „. a . a TZ ( SON rose amid loud cries of " Divide," and i'rlY heard from the impatience of the House for '" ) a• l „ \' ' s "M. He said he had felt some surprise that the , t he ~„-ncl Learned Member for Bath should have called 'ttl ° Th 'P e lition to thi Poor-law mere vulgar prejudice and 4uttr4e,„4hon•—(Divide, divide.) He contended that local W 'lf) ea l n , were the best authorities to have the disposal The ~tunds for the management of the poor. 'euse then divided, and the numbers were— Por t h e amendment A gainst it 156 fl lh t Ix Majority -119 Chair use then went into Committee, Mr GREENE in On :l it ' 11 , 4 use 1 being proposed, o .ba l ,, 4 l l )l s . i n ',.:AtiLEY said his object in rising was to obtain . .qat t e ▪ n ement of this clause until they had determined t e provisions of the Bill should be ; and he could eet ve a more rational propositir, or one wtheh hi, pore readily to receive the sanction of the House. 1 ;1 11 1g4.,115e proposed the continuation of the Commission j'eat. - "Land the end of the then next Session of Parlia "tetea ," a ny of the M e mber s o f th a t H ouse h a d ob :loo,rs'e the powers already exercised by the C?mmis ,,,erits being incompatible with the Constitution,. t oof to their institutions, and pregnant with mis -17141 th e Poor. But the Bill which he held in his cNr'hie conceived hrrePosed to confer On them still greater powers, nothing more preposterous than to de t,lieo-te the conti nu i ng th e C omm i ss i on f or s i x years , o " ns ureviousl y d eterm i n i ng w h at t h ose powers were Bearingg tt e.Y had to execute. He was not desirous of ri , factious opposition to the Bill, but he was o' ll ellinfs. °t giving it a strenuous, determined, and un iived t ° Pposition, consistently with the obligations he °l4 e o t ei t ele tY, and with his duty as a Member of that 11qinr,.1, -Li.; therefore thought the Government was ,°,,er'apt unreasonably by the pause, unjustly by the t' rn ost irrationally by the public, in making a in 1 44 a eu of this kind . There were thirty-seven no 4arstillienclynents on the Paper, many of them involv h-the r era bons of the highest character, and striking ex: r t ' e t ..of those powers . which . the Commissioners tte„lsed, and which, if carried, would leave it a 71,tatiu-need indifference whether the Commission were thJeeted, het' not. But if those amendments were le, 44 ~ saw that nothing could be more disastrous th ' r‘ caile ` 1 1: :' 0 the polyp- of an . unnecessary Commission h c ‘' (l ett , Continued for six years longer. After si AOs initiation the House had just come . , to, his h'tiun ; ere slight indeed that it would adopt his propo ,rio,hut . q 1,.. it 4' notwithstanding . that, he felt compelled to b ° '`lna l '` ) "lvard, because he thought the House was vt ' ; e ~4 1 t which would injure itself. It was treating . ' 3 4't e with hostility,and setting at defiance all their s. . brPeto„, believed the object of the measure was to -.) 00 t t. tt u 'le Poor-law Oommission. They never pr°l. Phold a s the interests of the . aristocracy so effec- Per ty ~"en they upheld the rights of the masses. t fe;'nnte ' e "id not be secured while the millions were M ed, and while they were under the influence of g s herd • tlh Dern,. Clang on a desire for revenge. The law did t};:r,a the poor to exercise their talents and in k Y w er i nvest manner ; when they became destitute . e,, t erty , eae„ttnniured in gaol on account of their I „,'lte /tt, yet it was expected that they should be `ii‘u.trenentalll.(l ; yet respect the aristocracy. The Go f th e co % as periling every institution of the kingdom R e forme d urse it was pursuing towards the poor. The Learned Member for Bath was a Radical I ) Pert ' a aliPPOrter of Universal Suffrage, and yet he *kg the ed thi s f r . l aw when he well knew that this very law_ gge p a ;.at that would be repealed by a Universal Suf 11°1 1.44:1e nt He (Mr. Wakley) . was astonished at 'tit lie° Osist e t 1) m'as hi, . neY• lie would ask the Right Hon. Baronet CCtl e" centitilla intention to get the House to consent to cl ause ne e or the Commission, and to four or five pr„ tste and then to abandon the rest of the Bill? thltted th e continuance against such a proceeding. If they con -111. y :,i.ontinuance of the Commission, it was their l‘st, b of " i l Z into the subject, if they sat there until Ct underst• December. It would be a breach of the tidi ng which had been come to the other 4 10 s. 1• ~ i e° h .leeted to the destruction of the Gilbert 14 too b m °ld system had been destroyed because it of the , , and the Gilbert Unions were to be destroyed 4zb eti __lvere too good. The principle of the Act 1,1 4 in desi,„„::!T beneficial one, notwithstanding it had tk ti .7r!ik s In, a speech in 1834, delivered in another ue oC deitouncedle; 1 1 ;h, dispeesaci!!rsed one. In that speech hospitals, infirm c.herital.ile institutions of all sorts, had Ge nt i ere , as Injurious to society. As the Right tt 41'416 the man had, to a certain extent, adopted one of s of that speech, he wished to ask whether ats,r'ua the rem a i n gat rx:es,twitathoeg aa d ' , serie s, and der ? Did he consider hospitals, _charitable institutions as nuisances, eotil3ijeerct of the Government to get rid of a 4)481111111Y and b The Government ought to speak s.a ( f• out, and de 1 ° dIY on the subject. They ought to I tth let the ir‘e are openly what their opinions were, RN!): weeki v re ° l l ::. Penly enter i n t o s t r if e w i th them. NA. the Poor taliefl'a Possession of th e i r estates, and ghat positioultetlyme of ne cess ity; l e t t h em under- Occupied. lie regretted that that speech had ever been deliveitch he did not believe that the aristocraq Weld remain in possession of their estates, tiSid the people remain destitute and without k'eael. It was alleged that the present law svas itretitresi with that of Elizabeth ; he conten4ett WA it was not, as ( the poor man had not the, t'eSie appeal, if he were refused relief, as he ttdti. &icier the old law. Then he applied to the chttiselikvardens and overseers for relief, and, if refused, appealed to a Magistrate, who gave an crdor for relief, which the officers were bound to obey. But now he was told to appear before the Board of Guardians on the following Wednesday or Friday, and having stated his case was ordered to withdraw. Both the public and the press were excluded from the Board, and the poor man was afterwards told that his • case had been decided against him. Let them look at the diffe rent position of the poor in this country under the two laws. Uncles the one the poor man had a ready means of obtaining relief. If there was a refusal in the first in stance he bad a means of referring immediately to a dis interested authority ; but under the other the poor man must in the first instance apply to the relieving officer ; he must, in the second place, have often to travel many miles before he could make his destitution known. The parties appealed to were rate-payers, and might, there fore, be interested in the decision they might come to, but against that decision there was no appeal. He could not consider that a just system, or one calculated to make the millions of this country contented wih the con duct of that House. They denied the poor the be.- ' nefit of the law, but they gave them a Commission. Nothing was more gratifying to him than to see pro vision made for the education of the children of the poor. Why did he say this ? Because he believed the edu cation of the working classes would very soon over throw the present state of things.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) Why should ho deny that such were-his opinions ? The course taken with respect to the poor was calculated to engender nothing but strife. He ad mitted that the alterations in the present Bill with regard to the right of voting were good, as well as the education of children, but there was much in the measure he felt bound to condemn. In stead of legislating for the poor as they would for their own estates, they dele g at e d an authority to three Commissioners, hitherto unknown to the Constitution of England. To them was delegated the power of making rules, which were to have all the force of Acts made by the three branches of the Constitution. Such an autho rity was never conferred since the time of Henry VIII., when, " to the eternal disgrace of Parliament," to use the words of Blackstone, his proclamations were made to have the force of law. And it was to the eternal disgrace of the Parliament of 1834, that they delegated a similar authority to the Commissioners of Somerset House—the power of making such rules and regulations as they might think proper. lie believed that the original promoters of the New Poor-law Bill never foresaw the extent of the powers they were about to confer on the Poor-law Commissioners, or that they would have been placed so completely above the law. The plea held out in support of the law was, that it would improve the con dition of the poor, and rise the wages of labour. Now, had it so raised the wages of labour?—(An Hon. Member here said it had raised wages.) He (Mr. W.) respectfully denied it. It had not raised wages, as was proved by the present state of the manufacturing districts ; and further. he believed that the law never could raise wages. The object of the measure was to drive the people from ever seeking relief in the workhouses. And he would ask the gentlemen of England whether such a system was likely to give contentment to the working classes ? He was persuaded. that it was not ; and he deeply regretted that such a law had ever received the sanction of the Legislature. Before he sat down he should wish to say a few words as to the orders which the Commissioners had issued respecting medical relief. —(Oh; No.) Well, if it were disagreeable to go into:that part of the subject, he would postpone it for the present —(Hear, shear)—and content himself with moving the postponement of clause 1. Sir JAMES GRAHAM had listened to the Hon. Gentleman with great attention, as he always did, and with some amusement ; but he had not been able to com prehend what were the Hon. Gentleman's opinions on some topics which were of primary importance.—(Hear, hear.) He agreed with the lion. Member in the just eulogy which he passed upon the English people ; but he could not reconcile the Honourable Gentleman's de claration of his admiration of the institutions of this country, with the approbation which he ex pressed of the education clauses of the Bill, which he admired (he said) most of all, because they would have a tendency to overthrow the existing order of things. How could the lion. Member reconcile that avowal with his other declaration of contentment with a mixed government, and a love of the monarchy?— (Hear.) The Hon. Gentleman had spoken of the " tru culent supporters of the present Government." But did he not include in that accusation the Right Hon. Gentleman the late Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Hon. Member for Lambeth„ and many Radicals of the of the first water. The Hon. Gentleman said he would throw every impediment in the way of the measure, if he saw a disposition on the part of the Government to carry only the first five clauses, and so continue the Commission without any modification for six years. Now he could ass ure t h e H on . G en -l eman an d t h e House that it was the sincere wish of the Government to carry if possible the whole Bill unimpaired—(Hear, hear)—and he could further assure them that with the single exception of the clause interfering with the Gil bert unions, every one of the clauses in this Bill was a mitigation of the former Act.—(Hear, hear, hear.) But what would be the state of the poor, if the Hon. Gentle man succeeded in putting an end to the Commission ? Throughout the winter there would be no appeal against the stringent order against out-door relief. That was at present as much the law of the land, though only a general order of the Commission, as if passed by Parlia ment ; the forty days were passed which were necessary to give the Secretary of State a rescinding power, and the only dispensing power now was with the Queen in Council. With regard to what had been said about the speech of Lord Brougham, he had not adopted the whole of that speech, ho had selected particular passages ; he believed that Lord Brougham had committed the usual error of political economists, and had pushed some prin ciples too far, indeed to an unsafe extent. He (Sir J. Graham) did not object to compulsory relief to the poor, in the shape of a rate ; he contended for all the great principles of the Act of Elizabeth. He said more, he would contend that by right, the able-bodied man w as, if destitute, entitled to relief ; but then his claim was con ditional, and the test was a task of work. The aged, the sick, and the infirm, were entitled to unconditional relief, but to the able-bodied man relief was conditional. That principle was recognized by the Act of Elizabeth. The Hon. Member was wrong in saying, that by the Act of Elizabeth an appeal was given to the person refused relief. An appeal to the Magistrates was given, but it was to the rate-payer who might believe that a rate was improperly levied. The appeal for relief to the Magistrate was first given by a statute of William HI, more than 140 years after the date of Elizabeth. The workhouse test, which was supposed to be first introduced by the Act of 1834, was equally to be found on the statute book of the 9th Geo. 1., where it stood as plainly as any declaration of the Legislature could stand. The 9th of Geo. I. continued the law of the land till 1796, which was a period of great distress, when some relaxa tion took place, and a provision was made, no longer confining the administration of relief to the inmates of the workhouse. The Poor-law Act of 1832 repealed the Act. of 1796, but not the Act of George the First, and if they now succeeded in putting an end to the Commission, the 9th of George the First, which forbad out-door relief, would still stand on the statute book, and the prohibition of out-door relief would remain the statute law of the land. He therefore con tended that in the present state of the law it was most expedient they should begin with that which was the key-stone of the Poor-law, namely, whether the adminis tration of the law in workhouses should come under the revision and control of some central authority. The Hon. Gentleman had said that the strongest feelings prevailed in large communities against the operation of this measure. The Right Hon. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government had, however, stated to the House a remarkable fact, that only 100 petitions had been presented, signed by 13,000 persons, against the Bill. He (Sir J. Graham) would draw the attention of the House to a communication which he had had on this matter. A short time since a vestry meeting of St. George's Southwark was called to consider the Poor law Bill now before the House. That parish con tained 40,000 inhabitants, and yet how many were present on this exciting topic? Two churchwardens, two overseers, one vestry-clerk, one sexton, one parish clerk, two poor-rate collectors. one beadle, two reporters, Mr. Boxer, and another gentleman, who came there to speak, and seven other persons (including the writer of the communication), making in all 21 persons, and that in a parish having a population of 40,000 ! A few pa rishioners dropped in afterwards ; but Mr. Boxer ad dressed the assembly on the enorniities of the present system, and concluded by moving the adoption of a peti tion against it to both Houses of Parliament—the one to the House of Lords to be entrusted to Earl Stanhope, and that to the House of Commons to the Members for the borough. The writer moved as an amendment that as the population of the parish amounted to 40,000, and there were present less than 30 persons, it appeared evi dent that the parishioners were satisfied to leave the measure in the hands of the Legislature. Thirteen hands were held up for the original motion, and that number forming the majority, the motion was carried. On one of the overseers asking out of what fund the ex pense of engrossing the petition, &c. would be defrayed, it was resolved that it should be taken from the church rate, because the auditor of the poor-rato would not pass such a charge upon the poor-rate.--(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman said the wages of labour had not been raised in consequence of the Poor-law. He per ceived that declaration excited the zeal of the Hon. Member for Montrose, who very justly said that the law was one which would promote the interests of the work ing classes. The continuance of the Commission was the key-stone of the entire measure, and he had no hesi tetion in stating, that if the first five clauses were struck out, the Bill would be rendered less than useless, and would throw the measure for the relief of the poor into a mass of confusion, which would be an extreme cruelty to the labouring classes. He would not make any pro. fessions, but having given deep consideration to the de plorable condition of the poor, he would say that he was never more convinced of the necessity of passing this measure on account of the distress. which prevailed.— (Hear, hear.) lie was desirous that they should pro ceed in the order of the clauses in the Bill ; because if the first one were passed, the others were only modi fications of the existing law, to which, if the House would fairly and dispassionately apply itself, he was sa tisfied that it would come to the conviction that they would tend to promote the relief of the poor, and to mi tigate the distress of the working classes, who ought now more particularly to be the objects of their care. Mr. E. BULLER said that he would not have risen, were it not that certain points had not been alluded to during the debate on this question. It was usual to look upon the statute of the 43d of Elizabeth, as the first upon she snbject, but it was founded on tt previdus statute pas ted in the same reign —the 14eh, of Elizabeth,; chap. 5, which 14 , ttt pA , akd the ptiiiighinefit of . teigliimids.end sturdy beggars, who were to be previously whipped till they were bloody, and to have the gristle of theright ear bored with a red. hot iron, an inch round. It was upon ' that statute that the 43d of Elizabeth was founded. If they were to refuse all out-door relief, and to compel every one applyittg for relief to reside in the wrokhouse, such a course of proceedingwottld be perfectly consistent with the provisions of the 43d Elizabeth. The statute authorising the g ivin g or out-door relief was not passed until the 3d of William and Mary, and that statute gave no appeal to the Justices. In the 7th of George I. was passed the stringent statute, refusing out-door relief; that was modified by the 22d George 111, and still further by the 55th Geo. 111., which gave the Magistrates the power of ordering out-door relief to the extent of 3s. per week for each person, and which had done all the mischief that the Poor-law Amendment Act was required to re medy. He agreed in all that had been said in praise of the working classes ; but if ever there was a law calcu lated to ruin their character, and to break down their habits of industry, it was the Act of the 55th Gen. HI. If he were asked if every one had an inherent and inde feasable right to be maintained on the spot where he was born, he (Mr. E. Buller) would reply, that he knew of no grounds on which such a right could be sustained ; but if he were asked if the poor of this country had a right to be relieved, he would say yes ; because, by law, they had been deprived of a natural right. Every poor person had a natural right to ask alms of his neighbour ; of that right the law had deprived him, and, therefore, the law was bound to afford him relief. All the ancient sta tutes bore out this view of the subject ; they all con tained enactments for the suppression of mendicancy, coupled with a provision for the relief of the poor ; but that claim was quite satisfied by the tender of residence and relief in the workhouse, and any other mode of re lief was not a matter of right but cf indulgence. Ho should be very glad to see that indulgence extended to the old, the infirm, and the sick, but to the able-bodied some test must be applied • and, on the whole, he thought the workhouse test better than the labour test. Mr. BENETT considered. that the poor had an inde feasible right to relief, and that right rested on the same authority as the common law of the land— namely, im memorial usage. No man denied the right of the poor man to relief. The 43d of Elizabeth did not give the poor man relief, unless he worked for it. But they also could give him money relief, if it were necessary, out of doors. He opposed this Bill, because he thought it was necessary to take the power of relieving the poor out of the hands of the Board of Guardians. The Commissioners in London only acted upon certain gene ral rules, and he had seen those rules inflict great hard ship on the poor. When the poor man, with a large family, got into the workhouse, how was it possible for him to get out again ? Hero was a case of hardship. He had seen such cases himself. With respect to raising wages by this law, it was absurd ; wages were regulated according to the price of food. He wanted to see those who were willing to work have some means to fall back upon.—(Hear, hear.) He was anxious that the law should be in some way fixed, that the guardians should have the power of Judging of the amount of relief to be afforded.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") The guar dians, in certain districts, were certainly severe; but that was no rule. He was in doubt as to whethep there should be a Commission in London or not, but certainly he had no hesitation' in saying it ought not to be maintained for five years ; ter if maintained, it ought to be only for a short time. With this feeling, but with an anxious desire to do his duty to the country, he would not give his assent to the Commission being continued for five years. Mr. RICE said the old Poor.law was grossly abused, and the only remedy wets the new Poor-law. With respect to the continuance of the Commission it was a question as to whether they should revert back to the abuses of the old system, or have its remedeecontinued. He believed that nothing had more benefited the poor than the Central Board of Control. He hoped the time was now come when they should consider the details of this measure, and he should be glad in removing any provisions which were considered harsh. When they came to the third clause he should ask the Right Hon. Baronet whether it would have the same effect as a similar clause they agreed to in the last Parliament.. Mr. STUART WORTLEY said that in the course of this debate, they had heard more discursive matter than the subject warranted. The main question was whether the Commission should be continued or not. Without any disposition to be captious or troublesome to the Government, he conceived that nothing could be more reasonable than the proposition of the Hon. Mem ber for Finsbury. He thought the question of the con tinuance of the Commission for five years ought to be postponed. The Right Hon. Baronet said that it went . to limit the powers of the Commission. He (Mr. S. Wortley) did not think se. His objection was to the as sertion of the principle that it was necessary to continue this Commission for the term of five years. With all his dissatisfaction at the principle of legislation upon this subject, he could not help expressing his satisfaction at the altered tone of those who supported the provisions of this Bill.—(Hear, hear, head.) He did not mean to say that they had changed their opinions, but they had found that there was a strong public feeling on the subject, and therefore they had moderated their tone. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by stating that he would vote for the continuance of the Commission for the whole period. Capt. PECHELL thought he had no other course to pursue but to aid in putting an end to the Commission altogether, and be should therefore vote for the motion of the Hon. Member for Finsbury. If the Local Acts in towns and the Gilbert Unions were to be continued, he might be inclined to allow the Commission to continue for an other year, but no longer. After a few words from Sir J. GRAHAM, • Mr. CARDWELL opposed the motion of the Hon. Member for Finsbury. Mr. DARBY said that there was nothing he objected to more than continuing the Bill from year to year. The wisest plan, in his opinion, was, that the Government should bring forward a measure of a permanent character which would give the House an opportunity of consider ing the whole question in Committee. He thought it was comparatively unimportant whether the Commission were continued for three years or five years ; hut the Commission should be continued for some definite period, so that the entire subject might come from time to time under the revision of Parliament. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE was astonished to find that the Government had opposed the motion of his Hon. Colleague (Mr. Wakley). The . proposal of his Hon. Colleague was merely that the consideration of the clause continuing the powers of the Commissioners should be postponed until the other provisions of the Act had been discussed, and until it had been ascertained what were the duties which the Commissioners would have to exercise. There was at least ono member of the Cabinet who should not oppose the motion then before the House—he meant the Right Hon. Baronet the Pay master of the Forces (Sir C. Knatchbull), who, when a Bill similar to the present, had been introduced last year by the late Government, expressed his dissent from many of its main provisions. (The Hon. Gentleman here read some extracts from the speech of Sir E. Knatchbull, in proof of this statement.) It would seem, however, that the Right Hon. Baronet had since changed his opinions, for he (Mr. Duncombe) found his name, with that of the Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for Tamworth, on the back of the Bill.—(A laugh.) The Right Hon. Baronet had, no doubt, the best and most conscientious reasons for the opinions which he now entertained ; but it would still be satisfactory to the House, to the country, and to the county of Kent, to be made acquainted with the grounds upon which the Right Hon. Gentleman had altered his sentiments.—(A laugh.) Sir E. KNATCHBULL was sorry that he must dis appoint the Hon. Gentleman, the Member for Finsbury, in his expectations that he (Sir E. Knatchbull) would vote for the amendment. The Hon. Gentlerrian com menced by saying that ho would only occupy the House by an explanation, for the purpose of setting himself right, but he departed from that intention, for the purpose of making a personal attack upon him, very much it seemed to the Hon. Gentleman's own satisfaction, and with some amusement to the House. He (Sir E. Knatchbull) did last year move a similar amendment to the one now before the House ; but ho then found the sense of the House so much against him; that he with drew the motion. He had not the same reasons now that actuated him on that occasion. The present Bill was completely mitigated in all that was objectionable in the former measure ; and the Commissioners, who had (to use the mildest term) acted in a very indiscreet men ner at first, had recently . taken a more judicious course ; and the powers given in this Bill were sufficiently limited.—(bear, and a laugh.) Besides, the object of those who supported the amendment now, was to defeat the Bill altogether, and that alone would be sufficient to justify him in voting against it. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said, that if the first clause were altogether rejected it would not defeat the Bill, for the law could be better carried into effect by guardians properly elected than by 'the Commissioners.—(Hear.) Sir E. KNATCHBULL repeated that his proposition of last year was made tinder very different circum stances, which warranted him in supporting the present measure. Mr. P. HOWARD (who rose amidst laughter and cries of " Divide") said that the explanation of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Sir E. Knatchbull) did not satisfy him as to the consistency of the course which the Right Hon. Gentleman was taking. The Right Hon. Gentleman had voted last year against the con tinuance of the Commission, and no subsequent altera tion of the measure could remove that objection. If he (Mr. Howard) had so voted—(A laugh)—he would not imitate the course of the Right lion. Baronet the Member for Kent.—(A. laugh and loud , cries of Divide.") He believed that the control ex ercised by the Commissiozers, and their inter ference with the local managers of the poor, operated much more often in favour of the poor than against them.—(Divide, divide.) It was well known that to the time of Henry the Eighth there were no Poor-laws, and the poor were maintained out of the patrimony of the Church. But when the property of the ChUrch was seized upon the poor were deprived of that one-third which the canon law' appropriated for their relief.—(Great impatience, and cries of " Divide.") The Poor-law of Elizabeth was passed to provide for the poor who had been deprived of their former source of subsistence, and in their distress had become too strong for the law. He had supported the present measure, and he was satisfied that a mangled discussion of it from year to year would only serve to give continual means of agitation to the factious.—(Hear, hear.) He would only conclude by saying that he could not see any force in the argument of the Hon. Member for Brigh ton. The clause did not attack the Gilberts' Unions; when it came to the clause affecting these unions the Hon. Gentleman might state his arguments against it.—(Loud cries of " Divide.") Mr. WAKLEY replied. After a debate of four hours he had not heard a single reason against his pro position. his motion was a bona fide one, made upon principle ; was the House prepared to sanction the en durance of the Commission for five years, before they had defined the powers that were to be entrusted to it ?—(Hear.) The House might decide against him, but the country would be with him. There were forty amendments before the House, and there might be forty more ; and was it acting fairly to the country to give so long a period to the Commission, in the most perfect ignorance as to the powers that might be bestowed on it ? Had there been a reason shown against his proposal ? Had any intimation been given that the Government intended to support a single amend ment of which notice had been given ? All, therefore, who had given notice of amendments, or intended to do so, should support him.—(Hear, hear.) If they did not they would stultify themselves ; the Government could turn round on them and say that they ought not to have voted for the continuance of the Commission if they disapproved of it, and in ignorance of what its func tions ought to be. He felt confident that if the people had more power in that House, they would use it to pro cure a repeal of the Poor-law. Under these circum stances he was under the necessity of troubling the House to go to a division. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided. The numbers were— For Mr. Wakley's motion Against it 74 206 Majority against the motion -132 The clause was then agreed to. On the second clause being read, _ Mr. B. WOOD rose to move an amendment. It ap peared to him that the Assistant Commissioners were not necessary ; besides, the expense incurred by them was very cunsideratile, amounting to 20,0001. a-year. Their services, he thought, might be dispensed with. There was another subject to which he would advert— the subject of auditors. He considered there was a great defect in the appointment of auditors, and in asking the House to abolish the Assistant Commissioners he wished to point out what he believed would be an improvement, namely, the appointing those Assistant Commissioners to act as auditors instead of Commissioners. Much benefit would be derived from converting the Assistant Commissioners into auditors, and to obtain that object ha would move in lines 19 and 20 that the words "Assistant Commissioners" be omitted, and that in line 21 the words "other than Assistant Commisioners" be added. Sir J. GRAHAM said he was justified in assuming, after the division, by which a large majority had decided in favour of the existence of the Commission, that the question to be urged was whether the Central Commission having been established, there should be Assistant Commis sioners for the purpose of visiting the unions. It appeared to him (Sir J. Graham) that it they were to enter into details of different provisions, it would be better to adhere to the subject under consideration. The Hon. Gentleman who had jtolt sat down, had deviated from the question, whe ther there should be Assistant:Commissioners, into one of still more importance, if possible—the constitution of an efficient system of auditing. He agreed with the Hon. Member, that the system of auditing, as at present con stituted, was imperfect and deficient, but ho thought the Hon. Member ought to wait till they arrived at that part of the Bill which referred to the appointment of officers, when it would be open to him to make his proposal. With respect to the necessity for Assistant annmis sioners, even the Hon. Member for Rochdale (Mr. S. Crawford), who had opposed the second reading of the Bill, though adverse to the Central Commission, had yet proposed that there should be itinerant Commissioners. Ile (Sir J. Graham) hoped the inspection of the As sistant Commissioners would be more frequent ; and of this he was certain, that if the Assistant Commissioners were done away with, the Central Commission would be of no use. Colonel SIBTHORP said that it would be desirable if all Commissions were done away with, and one great inducement with him to vote against the continuance of the Assistant Commissioners was, that the Central Com mission would be cramped in consequence. He was sur prised to hear the Hon. Member say that the present Bill could be made in any degree palatable to the people of this country. There was not a single line or word in the Bill, from the preamble to the last clause, of which he could approve. But the Right Hon. Baronet knew, that with the support of the party opposite, which at • one time he would have spurned, he could carry the Bill, and therefore he persevered in his Bill. He was opposed to all Commissioners root and branch—(Laughter)—and would propose that they should all be done away with. Mr. FERRAND said, that as there was a motion re specting the Assistant Poor-law Commissioners before the House, he hoped the - House would allow him to allude to two Reports laid on the table of that House, bearing directly on the union to which he belonged,. and which were quoted by the Right Hon. Baronet in making a direct and personal attack upon himself. Ile had no he sitation in saying that the Report of Mr. Mott, respect ing the Keightley Union, was malicious and false, and therefore whatever was done respecting the Assistant- Commissioners he hoped Mr. Mott would not .be con tinued in that office. Was the House aware who Mr. Mott, who got up the scandalous and false report, was ? —(Question, question.) He made charges against him (Mr. Ferrand) and others connected with the Keightley Union, and lie had a right to inquire who he was. He was formerly a contractor for maintaining the poor of Lambeth, whom he farmed out in different parts of the country. He stated in his evidence before the Poor-law Commissioners that he contracted at 3s. lid. per head, and that by scouring the scales he saved half an ounce in the weight for the rate-payers, which made a difference at the end of the year of 300 stone. He stated "that the man before him had contracted for 4s. Bd. a head and was ruined: - How ruined ? By giving over-weight to be sure. lie gave half an ounce too much.—(oh, oh.) This was the Mr. Mott who had gone down to get up . the case against the Keightley Guardians, and he had a right to inquire who this Mr. Mott was. (The Hon. Gentle man then went on to quote further passages from Mr. Motes evidence before the Poor-law Commissioners, from which it appeared that Mr. Mott had recommended the allowance system, and relief in kind, in order that the condition of the pauper might be reduced to that of the independent labourer, in order to prevent the independ ent labourer degenerating into pauperism. Several parts of this evidence were received with loud ironical cheers.) He knew that the Report of Mr. Mott, with regard to the Keightley Union, was false, and he knew that the Report of SirJohnWalsham was false, and he should have letters proving it to-morrow. Sir J. Walsh= had been sent down to Keightley merely to get up a statement to meet him (Mr. Ferrand). He asked if it was right, when it was known that a Member of that House would make statements relating to a point under discussion that As sistant Commissioners should be sent down to get up statements to meet him in this way ? He asked the Right Hon. Baronet if he did not know that Sir John Walsham was about to proceed to the lieightley Union for the purpose of getting up these statements? One of the charges brought against the rate-payers of Bingley he believed was false; he meant the charge that, in that workhouse, persons had been placed to sleep in the same bed with a corpse. He denied the charges brought against the Magistrates by Mr. Mott, and he called upon the Right Hon. Baronet to state if he had been cogni zant of Sir John Walsham having been sent down to the K e i g htley Union to get up a statement in contradiction to him (Mr. Ferrand). Sir J. GRAHAM thought that he was called upon at once to meet the statement of the Hon. Gentleman, who had asked if he (Sir James Graham) was aware that Sir J.. Walsham had been sent down to the Keightley Union. He (Sir J. Graham) had already stated to the House Mr. Mott's reports as to the state of the Keightly work house. The Hon. Gentleman had made a great mistake in what he had stated to. the House the other evening. The Hon. Gentleman, who was Chairman of the Keightley Board of Guardians, had distinctly stated . to the House that an order had been issued by the Poor-law Commis sioners, prohibiting the giving out-door relief in that union. In order that there might be no mistake about it he would remind the Ccmmittee that the Honourable Gentleman had attributed the crowded state of the Keightley workhouse to that circumstance. Now he (Sir James Graham) unequivocally denied that any such prohibitory order had been issued.—(Loud cheers.) He did not wish to be personal, and he was about to make an observation which perhaps the Hon. Gentleman might not understand, but which would be very well understood by any one of the six attorneys who had made such a comfortable living out of the Keightley Union. The Hon. Gentleman had shifted the issue. The real ques tion was not what was the character of Mr. Mott, but what was the nature of the administration of relief in the Keightley Union. Mr. Mott had made a Report, and the Hon. Gentleman had asserted that certain portions - of that Report were positively untrue. Now, as he Sir James Graham) could Not speak of his own personal knowledge, he • had suggested, seeing these diff e rent statements, that Sir John Walsham, who vas super intending the distribution of relief at Birmingham, should be sent to Keightley to investigate and :report. He had made on a former occasion 'an offer to the Hon. Gentleman, from which he would not now recede, and that was, that if the Hon. Gentleman would move for a Committee to inquire into the manner in which relief had been administered in the Keightley Union, ho (Sir J. Graham) would second the motion. In order that there might be no mistake as to the 'flatten to be investigated, he (Sir James Graham) would recapitulate the charges, which were, that there were found in the occupation of one small bedroom three married couples ; that one woman had been confined in child-birth in a • room in which there were twenty individuals ; that a miserable hovel was used as a school, and left in the management of an old pauper ; that the intermixture of sexes was permitted in the workhouse, males and females sleeping in rooms opening into the same passage, and adjoining each other ; the doors of the youn g women ' s bed-rooms opening into the bed - roo ms of the young men ; that the gaol and the workhouse w ere under the same roof, the former being in the bette r repair of the two ; and lastly, and on that point the Hon. Gentleman had joined issue, and that charge wols the gra vest and most horrible charge of the whole, .the, master of the poor house had told Sir John WalSliena, when he had re marked on the crowded state of iove..house, that it was not so much crowded as - it was:sometimes, for that owing_ to the crowded stateii"f" the house he (the master of the workhouse) ,liad Sometimes been obliged seemed to let the dead remain by the living until the burial took place. (A general thrill of horroreemed to on that fact ; there pervade the House on hearing this unparalleled an nouncement.) On. being . ques tioned on th e su bj ect the master 'admitted that a similar occurrence had taken nothe"vorklr oin tis:dinistshuee neighbourhood. Now could be no mistake about the allegation, a n d if th e placethe lion. Gentleman chose. to Move for a Committee of In qniry he (Sir J. Graham) would second it.—(Cheers.) Mr. FERRAND had denied Mr. Mows charges, and the Right Hon Baronet had not said one word about those char g es.—(Cries of" Oh , oh," and ir on i ca l c h eers. ) He denied' Mr. Mott's charges, and if the Right Hon. Baronet would pledge himself to dismiss sir. Mott if bis Report should turn out untrue, he (Mr. Ferrand) would move for a Committee. He had not denied what Sir ' John Walsham had (Clio of Oh oh 1 and loud ironical cheers)—but if the Right Hon. Baronet would give the pledge he had asked, he (Mr. Ferrand) would move for a Committee. Sir JAMES GRAHAM said, that although the lion. Gentleman was Chairman of a Board of Guardians, he did not appear to be very conversant with the law, or he would have known that the Secretary of State possessed no power of dismissing an Assistant Poor-law Commis sioner.. The Commissioners were the only parties who possessed that power. 'He knew nothing of Mr. Mott Personally, but there could be no doubt how the Com missioners would act, if the lion. Gentleman could prove his allegations. He (Sir James Graham) would, however state, with regard to one portion of Mr. Mott's Report, that he (Sir James Graham) had himself the original order issued by the Keightley Board of Guardians, for enforcing the payment of 21. poor-rates from a pauper. .Mr. FERRAND—I do not deny that.—(Loud cries of Oh, oh." and ironical cheers.) Mr. B. WOOD suggested that it was not right to mix up these personal questions with the matters under dis cussion. Mr. WAKLEY wished to know how for_; the Keightley Union had been formed. lle understood it had been formed for four years. Now, if these abuses had continued, and the Poorlaw Commis sioner knew it, of what use were they, costing. the country, as they did, 20,000/. a year? Was the Hon. Baronet aware that such things. as had been al leged to have taken place at Keightley, had actually oc curred in this metropolis? Within the last six weeks, he had held an inquest on the body of a child, that had been in the same room with its parents five weeks after it was dead. This took place in London, in one of the unions. The father of the child had made application for a coffin, but it was said that he could not get a coffin, in consequence of circumstances which had taken place in his family previously. From other sources he suc ceeded in getting a coffin; he then applied to the guar dians to have it buried, and he was asked if there were any ornaments on the coffin, and his answer was yes ? and they replied that the clergyman would not bury without the usual fee. It could not, they said be buried as a pauper, because there were ornaments on the coffin. Talk of the Keightley union, things far more detestable and odious took place in this metropolis under his own observation. What happened after the Poor-law Bill passed. Did they not refuse the tolling of the bell, and further, did they not deny the use of a pall? These things were altogether too detestable to comment upon. With regard to that, he believed the Honourable Member was justified in his charges, and he hoped he would move for the Committee. _ _ Mr. R. YORKE thought that the whole circum• stances of the case ought to be investigated, and the result laid before the House. He thought it most im portant to the integrity of that discussion that those charges should be investigated, These statements were made by a Member of Parliament fairly and upon his own integrity, and therefore they ought in justice to be investigated. Colonel SIBTHORP made some observations which were inaudible in the gallery. Strangers'were then ordered to withdraw, and the Com mittee divided, when the numbers were— For the amendment 45 Against the amendment 228 Majority against the amendment —lB3 Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD then suggested that the further discussion on the Bill should be adjourned. Captain PECHELL thought that it was then so late that it would be unreasonable to continue the discussion. He should, therefore, move that the Chairman should re port progress. Mr. FERBAND wished to take that opportunity of again alluding to the discussion between himself and the Right Hon. Baronet. He again asserted that the charges of Mr. Mott were a scandalous falsehood. He believed that he should be able to prove that assertion if a Com mittee were granted him to inquire into the matter. He should, first, however, require that a pledge should be given, that Mr. Mott would be discharged from his situa tion if his statements were shown to be unfounded. Sir J. GRAHAM said that he had no objection to a Committee of Inquiry ; but he could not pledge himself as to the course which it might be thought necessary to pursue with respect to Mr. Mott. The question having then been put that the Chairman should report progress, strangers were ordered to with draw, but no division took place, the motion for report ing progress being agreed to without a division. CUSTOMS BILL. The House having resumed, the Report of the Cus toms Bill was brought up, and the Bill ordered to be en grossed. BRITISH POSSESSIONS ABROAD BILL. The Report of the British Possessions Abroad Bill was received, and the Bill ordered to be engrosssd. The third reading of the Colonial Passengers Bill was postponed till Friday next. NEW .s:OUTII WALES BILL. The House then went into Committee on the New South Wales Bill. The different clauses were agreed to, the Chairman reported progress, and the House resumed. RIVERS (IRELAND) BILL. On the order of the day for the further consideration of the Report on the Rivers (Ireland) Bill being moved, Lord ELIOT, cn the suggestion of Mr. Reddington, consented to postpone it until the Bill should be in the hands of Members. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS BILL. -- On the order of the day for the Committee on this Bil being read, Lord ELIOT moved that it b 3 an instruction to the Committee that this Bill be extended to Ireland. Agreed to. The Bill went through Committee, and several verbal amendments were made in it. The House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be brought up on Friday. STOCK IN TRADE BILL. The Stack in Trade Bill was read a second time. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at a Quarter past One e'Clock. COURT CIRCULAR. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent visited the Queen yesterday morning. Her Majesty and the Queen of the Belgians took an airing yesterday afternoon in an open barouche and four, attended on horseback by Lord Charles Wellesley, and Sir Edward l3owater, the Equerries in Waiting. His Royal Highness Prince Albert rode out ou horseback at the same time, at tended by Mr. George Edward Anson. The Countess de Merode, Lady in Waiting on the Queen of the Belgians, and the Hon. Miss Stanley, Maid of Honour in Waiting on the Queen, followed in another open carriage. His Majesty the King of the Belgians returned to Bucking ham Palace soon after six o'clock yesterday afternoon from his residence at Claremont. The Queen — ;;;ciiirinee Albert, the King and Queen of the Belgians, and the Duchess of Kent, honoured the German Opera with their presence last evening. The Royal suite in eluded the Countess of Charlemont, Countess de Merode, Viscount Hawarden, Baron de Dieskaw, M. de Moerkerke, Lord Charles Wellesley, and Sir Edward Bowater. The Duchess of Kent was attended by Lady Anna Maria Dawson, and Sir George Cooper, Bart. Their Royal Highnesses the Prince of :Vales and the Princess Royal, accompanied by the Dowager Lady Lyttelton, were taken an airin g in a carriage yesterday afternoon. Sir William C. Ross, A.R. A., had the honour of taking yes terday, the first sitting, for a Portrait of the Queen of the Bel gians, by command of her Majesty. His Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge, attended by Major Stephens, went to Kew yesterday, and returned in the afternoon to town. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Gloucester visited the Duchess of Cambridge yesterday, at Cambridge House. The Earl and Countess of Jersey were honoured with the company of their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, Prince George, and the Princess Augusta of Cam bridge, at dinner, yesterday evening, at their residence in Berkeley-square. A Cabinet Council was held yesterday afternoon at the Fo reign Office. It was attended by Sir Robert Peel, the Duke of Wellington, the Lord Chancellor, the Duke of Buccleuch, Lord Stanley, Sir James Graham, the Chancellor of the Ex chequer, Earl of Haddingten, Earl of Ripon, Lord Fitzgerald, Sir Henry Hardinge, and Sir Edward Knatchbull. The Council sat two bouts. Sir Matthew Wood, Bart., Mr. F. Milnes, Mr. G. Fraser, and a Deputation from the Coal-whippers, had an interview with the Earl of Ripon )esterday, at the Office of the Board of Trade. _ . _ _ _ The Governor and Deputy-Governor of the Bank of Eng land had an interview with the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday at his official residence in Downing-street. The Archbishop of Canterbury and the Bishop of London had an interview with the Lord President yesterday afternoon at the Council-office. Despatches from the Governor of Gibraltar were received yesterday at the Colonial-office. 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The Evening Fetes, with the Promenad es Musicales, Illumination of St. Peter's, Girandola of St. Angelo, &c., will be given on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays. Admission One Shilling. PHILHARMONIC SOCILTY.—The eighth and last concert of the thirteenth mason of this Society, WAS given last night at the Hanover-square Pooms, but it is feared that un -I.i:s the ensuing year Oinuht bring an increased number of sub- Feriberi, this society will be ,ylinguished. It was established in 1813, aPid since that ihon,ands have thrilled with de light at the magnificent treats of harmony it has set before them : it is, therefore, surely to be hoped that it will nut be allowed to expire without a strenuous effort, on the part of the profession, to prevent its fall. Out of eight of its season concerts, [there have been no less than three new symphonies : one by Ziolique, Quo by Spohr, and one by Mendelssohn Bar. tboldy. ti tt ,S LONDON TUESDAY MORNING, JUNE 28, 1842. The fruits of Sir R. PEEL'S policy are ripening fast. At home we have corruption, and there is springing from it abroad noisome and poisonous plants. Here we, have rottenness, and yonder grow the fungi, which contribute to hasten the general decay of which they are the signs. Sir R. PEEL has taught mankind to honour the principle of protection, and the Americans and Germans are prac tising his lessons. He and the renowned Parliament of England have thought it necessary, after mature delibe ration, and after much warning and discussion, to levy a duty on foreign corn of 40 per cent., and the.Govern meats of the United States and of Germany propose to apply the same principle to their home-made woollens- To Sir 11. PEEL belongs the credit of having induced th e Americans and the Germans to heap additional duties on the manufactures of Great Britain. Their new restric tions are planned contemporaneously with his, if they .be not their offspring. There cannot be a doubt, if the present Ministry had proclaimed the principles of free trade which science has taught and experience has confirmed, and had acted on them, by opening our markets to the wheatand flour - of the United States, and to the agricultural produce of Germany, that at least those States would have waited to see the effects of the new system, before they had re enacted and extended the old one. Had Sir R. PEEL, too, instead of haggling with France about duties, lowered our duties on wines, adjusting them on the ad valorem prin ciple, all the South of France would have been in arms to resist new duties on English eommodities, and the demand for higher duties on linen yarn would probably not have been acceded to. But what are the principles Sir R. PEEL has recoil/. mended to the world? For months and years our. eople have begged and prayed for a free trade in food. Sir HOBERT PEEL came into office, in the midst of great public distresQ, and he has made it his especial business, after inquiring into the causes of that distress, to uphold the food monopoly in spite of the prayer of the people. He denies, therefore, that this law is the cause of dis tress, and by re-enacting it he has declared to all the world that the principle of protecting native industry, as this species of legislative plunder is called, is the only safe and sound principle of national policy. Ho has proclaimed by his conduct, that restric tions are the source of national greatness. The same principle runs through his whole tariff. For the first time he has given a general form to the principle of protection as applied to colonies, and established a whole series of differential duties. France, Germany, and the United States, there fore, are imitating his example. They are acting on the worn-out principle of protection, which he has conse crated anew. Ours is the most melancholy suicide that ever a nation was guilty of. Great, powerful, weialthy, and glorious by trade, we have laboured to put a stop to it. We have laid violent hands on the neck of our own power, and infected other nations with the horrible mono mania of self-destruction. The First Report from Mr. ROEBUCK'S, or the Com promise Committee, was made last night. It stated that JOHN WALTER, Esq., having been summoned to attend the Committee, had declined to comply with the sum-, mons ; and Mr. ROEBUCK. moved that Mr. WALTER be called to the bar. The motion was agreed to, and Mr. WALTER ordered to attend this day. Mr. WALTER may be able to give some explanation of his conduct, which will place it in an improved light ; at present, his refusal to attend the Committee seems not to be justified. There is no difference between the constitution and powers of Mr. ROEBUCK'S Committee and other Committees, and attendance on them has al ways been readily given, because it has always been en forced by the power of the house. Mt WALTER can not be excused any more than others, and he will have to suffer the consequences of his refusal. He objects to the great powers possessed by the Com mittee, and if he mean to contest and try them by an appeal to the law, should the House commit him for con tempt, if he be ready to suffer martyrdom for the publics welfare, we should not deny that • he is animated by a legitimate and honourable ambition. But Mr. WALTER has a special objection to the Chairman, who "at one time, in his place in the House, recommended any one who might be attacked in the Times, and did not wish to have the attack repeated, to horsewhip Mr. WALTER." He declines, in truth, to submit to the tri bunal, because the Chairman " has shown undisguised hostility towards him." Unfortunately for Mr. WALTtR's reputation, and perhaps for the purpose ,he has in view, this personal objection neutralizes all the patriotism we had detected in the objection to the powers of the Com mittee. Against the Chairman's hostility he would bo sure to find protection from the other members of the Committee, from the House, or, in the last resort, from the public ; but neither the public, the House, nor the other members of the Committee, will justify him for refusing to obey its summons, because he has had, at some former time, a personal dispute, which he remem bers with more keenness than the public, with its Chairman. Mr. WALTER has put himself in the wrong. At pre sent the Chairman of the Committee has only fulfilled his duties ; the violence which Air. WALTER appre hends has no other existence than in his own imagina tion. The House and the public know nothing of it. He should have waited till Mr. ROE BUCK had committed himself, before appealing from his authority. In the House last night Major BERESFORD bore testimony to the inquiries of the Committee being conducted in a courteous though stringent manner. The world will infer that Mr. WALTER would have met with the same treatment ; and by his refusal to attend, precluding the possibility of any contrary experience, he will appear to have dis obeyed an order of the House of Commons from per. scnal pique towards Mr. ROEBUCK. We do not for one moment suppose that Mr. WALTER dreads any disclosures. The apparently frank manner in which he refers to his agent, and expresses a wish to afford the Committee every information, forbids the sus picion that he has any reason to shun the searching in vestigation in which it is engaged. At the same time, the public would have been better satisfied on this head had he as readily obeyed the Committee as he frankly informed it of the name of his agent. It is not yet too late, we presume, for him to retreat, and as his personal obviously outweigh his patriotic motives,! we frankly advise him to prepare his apology to the House, and profess his readiness to obey the summons of the Com mittee. We are glad to see that the subject of oaths, including, we presume, the source and character of the obligation they impose on men, is to be investigated by the Houta of Lords. No subject is more worthy of a solemn in quiry. Upon it rests the whole administration of the law; and it will not tend to the future security of either life or property if the question, now that it is mooted, be not probed to the bottom. To have the nature of an oath clearly understood, and the obligation it imposes brought forcibly home to the conscience, so that it shall exist, and be felt at all times and by all men, independently of any vanishing and changing forms, and I independently of any inculcated, and perhaps erroneo u s religious opinions, their Lordships must dive deep into the mind of man. They cut,o - ht to call before them those who have studied the question, and who can point eat the eternal and universal (so far as the globe is eternal and man is known) source of that obligation, which, in con ,j unction with all creeds, false and true, and at all times and places, men have felt and acknowledged to speak the truth and the truth only. To do their work effectually, the Lords must inquire into the meaning of the word " belief," and the state of mind which that word expresses must be exactly defined. As the in quiry is forced on by a desire to give re lief to tender consciences, and to those who entertain peculiar thoughts and principles, some per sons of that description will, of course, be exam inad, and they will be the best able to explain the source of their objections to comply with the injunctions of the law. Of its mighty arch , an oath, or something equiva. lent, is the key-stone; an d we teel assured that th e i r Lordships, should they prosecute their examination fear les3are likely to clear up man y doubts, es tablish some limp si or .' tant truths, and promote the advancemeat of cor• rect knowledge. THE MANCEUVRENO MOTHER.—This new novel, by promises even t o r i va l i n attraction its for the Authoress of that m os t popular fiction of last se ason , " Th e t una te predecessor. Indeed the great v ar i ety an d contrast o f i ts nu merous characters, and the amus i ng way in which they " a re made to act as foils to each oth er , prove t h at t h e wr i ter h as History of a Flirt, made a great advance in her delightful art since her last ap pearance before the world. Nothing can be more distinctly marked than the. characters of the four daughters, _who are made victims to the matr i monial schemes of Lady Wetherall, " the Manoeuvring Mother." The train of lovers, and ulti mately of husbands, that her art and their own attractions gather round them. are still more entertaining. The buis terous foxhunter, Tom Pynsent ; the mincing milksop, Lord Ennismore; the good, but grim Boscawen ; the coarse Sir Fos* ter Kerryson ; the party-giving Lady Spottiswoode ; the so• lemn Dowager Lady Ennismore; the frank, though slyly satirical Sir John Wetherall ; the obsequious Mrs. Thompson; and the various other persons who figure in this exclilent twist L of real life, will command for it universal popularity. 4- . , . . ~ ...4 0,0 0 , ..., - -6. 7 - s .- 4 , , 4) 14 . 6,.`p .. 11 41111ML,h- 421,1 ~,,, ,- . :.•.-tl ' Z' ::* 0 ,a: 7 1 ; : 7: ' e41r'7141:=3"66.4V11M16:4&77: . .'", ri.t.r. ~.......- ' v....-. . 14 , 41.3 1 - ",,,,,,•• . .kak i io' ;C, 14, , • . k.\ - - 6