The Sun. — London, England, 1849-05-01 00:00:00

e: trb ttta SUN 0 FFICE, Seven o' Gluck. THE LONDO - N GAZETTE. (THIS EVENING.) FOREIGN-OFFICE, APRIL 27. The Queen has been pleased to approve of M. Louis Leon Bucquet as Consul at Newcastle, and of XL Eu gene BC.° as Consul at Port Louis, in the Mauritius, for the French Republic. DOWNING-STREET, MAY 1. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Henry George Ward, Esq., to be her Majesty's Lord High Commis sioner in and for the United States of the lonian Islands. Her Majesty has also been pleased to appoint Patrick Augustus Boyle, Esq., to be Colonial Surgeon for her Majesty's Forts and Settlements on the Gold Coast. WHITEHALL, APRIL 30. The Queen has been pleased to present the Rev. John Robin to the Church and garish of Burntisland, in the presbytery of Kirkcaldy, and county of Fife, vacant by the deprivation of Mr. James Mackintosh, late Minister thereof. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of Edinburghshire. Lieutenant-Colonel John Charles Hope Gibone to be Deputy Lieutenant, April 16. _ Commission by the Lord-Lieutenant of Derby. George Henry Cavendish, Esq„ to be Deputy-Lieu tenant, April 21. Commissions by the Lord-Lieutenant of Montgomery- shire. Montgomeryshire Regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry. — Cornet Robert Davies Jones, to be Captain, vice Beck, deceased; David Jones, Gent., to be Cornet, vice Jones, promoted; Maurice Evan Lewis, Gent., to be Cornet, vice Nicholls, deceased. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of Shropshire. South Salopian Regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry Lieut. Charles Spencer Lloyd to be Captain, vice J. A. Lloyd, Esq., resigned; Henry Crowe, Gent., to be Vete rinary Surgeon. ADMIRALTY, MAY 1. Corps of Royal Marines—Colonel and Second Com mandant Walter Powell to be Colonel Commandant, vice Colonel John Wright, retired on lull-pay; Lieutenant- Colonel Richard Edwards to be Colonel Second Com mandant, vice Powell, promoted; Brevet-Major Charles Compton Pratt to be Lieutenant-Colonel, vice Edwards, Dover ; First Lieutena n t a nd Adj u t a nt A u gustus Dover Lyddon Farrant to be Captain, vice Pratt, pro moted; Second-Lieutenant James Elpbinstone Lock to be First Lieutenat, vice Farrant, promoted. WHITEUALL, APRIL 26. The Lord Chancellor has appointed William Lawrence Banks, of the town of Brecknock, in the county of Breck nock, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. COURT OF EXCHEQUER, APRIL 28. EaAer Term.—Twelfth Victoria. This Court will hold sittings on Wednesday, the 9th day of May next, and on Thursday the 10th, Friday the 11th,, Saturday the 12th, Monday the 14th, and Tuesday the 15th days of the same month; and, at such sittings, will proceed in disposing of the business then pending in the Paper of New Trials, the Parer of Demurrers, and the Paper of Spe cial Cases, and in giving judgment in all matters then standing for judgment. Fred. Pollock, J. Parks, R. M. Rolfe, T. J. Platt. Read i❑ open Court, E. Bennett. COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH—MAY 1. Easter Term.—Twelfth Victoria. This court will, on W ednesday, the 9th, and Satur day, the 12th days of May, inst., hold sittings, and will proceed in disposing of the business in the special paper on the 9th lust., and the Crown paper on the 12th inst., taking the cases in their order, unless special application be made to postpone any of them before the last day of term; and will give judgment iu cases previously argued. BY THE COURT. BANKRUPTS. • Philipp Sigmund Christian lakle, tailor, Upper North place, Gray's Inn•road, to surrender, May 10, at eleven, and June 12, at hall-past eleven, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee, Basinghall-street; Nicholls and Doyle, Bedford-row. Hugh Swan, draper, High-street, Camden-town, May 11, at eleven, and June 12, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Canuan, official assignee, Birehin-lane; Jones, Size-lane, Bucklerabury. John Bessell, glass merchant, Farring don-street, May 9, at twelve, and June 8, at one, at the Court ot Bank ruptcy, Basinghall-street. William Pennell, official assignee; Pritchard, Town-hall, Southwark. Thomas Bishop, cattle dealer, Marden, Herefordshire, May 16, and June 13, at twelve, at the Birmingham District Court. Christie, official assignee, Birmingham; Gwillim, Hereford; Suckling, Birmingham; Smith ann Sons, Southampton-street, Bloomsbury-square. George Lofthouse Richardson, cutler, Liverpool, May 16, and Juno 8, at eleven, at the Liverpool District Court. Turner, official assignee, Liverpool; Chester. Toulmin, and Chester, Staple Inn; Hime, Liverpool. Charles Holman Warren, surgeon, Fawley, Southamp ton, May 17, at one, and June 18, at half-past eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee, Coleman-street ; Paterson, Bouverie-street, Strand ; Mackey, Southampton. Horatio Hyland, grocer, May 15, at half-past two, and June 12, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Groom, official assignee, Abchurch-lane ; Langbam, Bartlett's-buildings, and Hastings, Sussex. George Burdis, banker, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, May 8, at half-past twelve, and June 12, at half-past one, at the Newcastle-upon-Tyne, District Court. Baker, official assignee, Newcastle-upon-Tyne ; Pringle, Steven son, and Shum, King's-toad, Bedford•row; Philipson, Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Richard Boucher, shoe manufacturer, Liverpool, May 14, at two, and June 4, at eleven, at the Liverpool Dis • trict Court. Morgan, official assignee, Liverpool; Vin cent, Temple; Godfrey, Liverpool. Robert Canuings Collings, cheese factor, Walcot, Bath, May 10, and June 7, at twelve, at the Bristol District Court. Acratnan, official assignee, Bristol; Slack, Bath; Bridges, Bristol. Abraham Ripley and Charles Thorp, dyers, Apporley bridge, Yorkshire, May 17, and June 8, at eleven, at the Leeds District Court. Freeman, official assignee, Leeds; Wigglesworth and Co., Gray's Inn; Richardsons, Leeds. William Appleton, joiner, St. Helen's, Lancashire, May 15, at twelve, and June 12, at two, at the Liverpool District Court. Cazenove, official assignee, Liverpool ; Norris and Co., Bedford-row; Taylor, St. Helen's. John Jordan, surgeon, Birmingham, May 15, and June 12, at ten, at the Birmingham District Court. Valpy official assignee, Birmingham; Sargent, Birmingham. James Vaughan, plumber, Hereford, May 16 and June 13, at twelve, at the Birmingham District Court. Christie, official assignee, Birmingham; G willim ' Here ford; Suckling, Birmingha m; S m ith an d Sons, South ampton-street, Bloomsbury•squa , e. Benjamin Couch Stenlake, watch maker, Tavistock, May 10, at one, and June 6, at eleven, at the Exeter District Court. Hemmen, official assignee, Exeter; Robins, Tavistock; Stogdon, Exeter; Baker, Ruck, and Jennings, Lime-street. Job Way, licensed victualler, Princes-road, Uxbridge road, May 12, at two, and June 2, at half past twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Follett, official assignee, Sambrook -court, Basinghall-street; Martineau, Ray mond-buildings, Gray's Inn. William Crofts, coffee house keeper, Strand, May 9, at one, and June 14, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Johnson, official assignee, Basinghall-street; Futvoye and Co., John street, Bedford-row. John Roberts, woollen manufacturer, Linfits, York shire, May 15 and June 5, at twelve, at the Manchester District Court. Pott, official assignee, Manchester ; Cragg and Jeyes, Bedford-row ; Hunt, Rochdale. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Their Lordships assembled at Five o'clock. The Bishop of EXETER presented a petition against ono of the clauses of the Criminal Law Consolidation Bill. The Right Rev. Prelate then alluded to the case of the confirmation of the Bishop 01 Hereford, and the decision of the Court of Queen's Bench thereupon, inas much as that clause legislated on the case. Lord BROUGHAM said that as the judges had been equally divided no decision at all had been come to on the subject. The Bishop of EXETER thought that the opinions of the judges ought to be taken before their Lordships legislated on that subject. Lord Redesdale presented a petition against th e R ate in Aid Bill. The Bishop of CASHEL presented a petition from Waterfo r d, i n favour of a Health of Towns BILL The Duke of ARGYLL pesented a petition in favour of "` the Bill for the prevention of seduction. RAILWAYS. Lord BROGHAM rose to address their Lordships on a subj ect w hi ch was secon d to none, i nvo l v ing as it did a vast entanglement of the capital of this country, and one desiring the most attentive consideration of the Go vernment and of P ar li amen t, because whatever might be it s u l timate result it in its present details involved most serious apprehensions. If there were any who in former ) ea rs were bli nd to the possible evils that m i g ht feelingesult, and who we re ca ll ous to the appeals made to t h e s rosepecting the damning mania which then pre vailed, and who, for want of warning, made Parliament as e it were an accomplice in their deeds. He was not a n na for h e i n common with the Noble Duke, lament a Noble F r i en d whose loss he men d ted, he meant the late Lord Ashburton, had . Parlia ment not to encourage this madness of gambling, and the country to stay in its progress to wards destruction. had Those warnings h a d b een g i ven in. vain. Th eyh nuisances those Bills to become laws and those upon those companieacetshto be erected by conferring of dealing with propene most extraordinary powers not of private unterpri z y e . s, b u t He was speaking now exercising extraordinary of public bodies conferred upon them by Parliament. ThePyow haders with properties strictly settled, and had Interferedlhed these parties heasdthsrough the to erect their works and drive peen en ih e te t re p s r t ivate private property of individuals. Thegyi property at naught to promote the :railway to public interests. the ground that private interests must give way interests. They had done more, they had enabled these joint-stock companies to receive subscription s to an enormous amount. All political philosophers had agreed that in forming joint-stock companies to take capital in small shares, care should be taken not to seduce more capital into those channels than the wholesome state of the country would require. But as everything vvas to be sacrificed to locomotioe, as the old mode of travelling at the rate of 10 miles an hour with horses was to be destroyed, they established those companies, tnitbllng persons whoN object was not locomotion, who did not care one straw if one inch of the rail ways were never made—who were makers of plans and of attorneys' bills—to go on without the least regard to the making of railways. They had also made themselves accessories before the fact to the doings of another class of persons, lho trafficera and gamblers, to obtain shares to be disposed of in the market, to obtain from ignorant dupes the stocks which they paid into their own coffers, and on the ruin of private persons to erect princely fortunes. In one session no less than 519 Railway Bills were passed. Their Lordships had no idea of the careless ness with which they had passed those Bills. In one Bill they had enabled the Great Western Railway to put in evidence any extracts from its books, copied by a charity boy, and had even allowed an entry of payment in these books, if the pay ment of rates is to be taken as conclusive evidence of such payments having been made. What had been the consequence of these proceedings ? In the course of four or five years, capital in England and Scotland alone had been invested to the amount of 180,000,000/., and actually paid up. No great wonder if the money-market should feel this. No wonder if Chancellors of the. Ex chequer should all be in alarm at hearing of 180,000,000/. being withdrawn from the capital of the country. We had also expersenced a commercial and money crisis ; and the last time he had spoken to Lord Ashburton on the sub ject, he had said that it was worse than in 1624.1825. The gambling money-maker was rivalled by the thrifty Scot. Gambling had crossed the Tweed, and the careful Scot rivalled the careless Englishman in his devotion to their gambling speculations. Ireland had contributed 5,000,000/. (although he believed the greater part of that came from En gland), and Demerara and the colonies had also contributed large sums in addition. But that was not all, there were calls yet to be met, to the amount of 150,000,000/. of good money, which remained to be sent after the bad money. The poor peoplo who had incurred these liabilities did not know when they might be called upon to pay them. When they found this state of things they might look forward to another panic. 180,000,0001. had not been suffi cient to satiate the maw of this ravening pest, but 150,000,000/. more might be required. This mania of gambling overwhelmed the soil. He feared that those gambling propensities could not be indulged safely. He was sure that uo more mischievous change could take place in the habits of any nation than for its inhabitants to become reckless gamblers instead of honest traders. It was not merely common gambling in shares which took place, but contrivances were had recourse to, the object being not to make railways, but to make profit by shares. The object was to obtain shares, not to keep them. The shareholder did not think Brag was a good dog and Holdfast a better—he was Holdfast for the present, but he played Brag too. His object was to raise the price of shares. He would guarantee not 3, or 4, er 5 per cent., but 10 per cent. fur a certain number of years. Thus the poor man who had invested money in public securities thought he could secure a large income, and the price of those shares rose 10 or 12 per cent. What did Mr. Holdfast— he was Holdfast no longer, he became Brag—he brought his shares into the market, and sold them to some poor surgeon for a premium, who thought he was made fcr life. The next year this poor surgeon found he was called on to pay 25 per cent. on those shares. He was a ruined man, for he had paid all his savings to purchase those shares, and down came the price of those shares in the market. Mr. Holdfast had made his fortune, but the poor surgeon was ruined. But then how was this ten per cent. guaranteed to be paid ? It was paid out of capital. That was the secret. What said the projectors? Nothing ; their only object was to get shares up to a premium and to sell shares, that was all they cared for. Then there were persons who did all they could to bring down the price of shares, and when they had brought them down to below their real value they purchased, then they did all they could to raise them and sold them. THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY (LEFT SPEAKING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. THIRD READING. The Newcastle and Carlisle Railway (Alterations of and Branch from Alston Branch) CONSIDERATION OF REPORTS. The reports on the following Bills were considered and agreed to, and the Bills ordered to be engrossed: — Chester and Holyhead Railway (Increase of Capital, with Powers to the London and North-Western Railway Company to subscribe thereto) Bill. Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ardrossau Harbour Acts Amendment Bill. SURVEYING OFFICERS. Sir JOHN YAHDE BULLER moved that the re port of the surveying officers made in the last session of Parliament, under the Preliminary Inquiries Act (9 and 10 Vie., c. 106), in the case of the Torquay Market Bill, be referred to the Committee to whom the Bill of the present session, under the - same name or title, in Group 4 of Opposed Private Bills is referred. Agreed to. PETITIONS. Mr. WILCOX presented a petition from Southampton in favour of tha abolition of punishment of death. Mr. BLACKSTONE presented a petition, praying the House to take steps to relieve the existing agri cultural distress. Mr. PALMER presented a number of petitions against the Marriage Bill. Mr. PLUMPTRE presented petitions to the same effect. Sir JOHN DUCKWORTH presented petitions against the Oaths Bill. Several Hose MEMBERS presented petitions in favour of international arbitration. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented eleven petitions from individuals residing in the metropolis, in favour of uni versal safferage, and petitions against State endowments for religious purposes. Mr. COBDEN presented a petition from Saddleworth, in the West Riding, praying the House to pass a Bill to regulate the county rate expenditure. Sir JOSHUA WALIIbLEY presented a petition from Leicester in favour of the Parliamentary Oaths Bill. Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition to the same effect, and several petitions in favour of the Clergy Relief Bill, and also petitions praying for the abolition of punish ment of death. Mr. HAMILTON presented a petition praying for the revival of the suppressed Irish bishoprics. Several petitions were presented in favour of the Clergy Relief Bill, and praying for the liberation of Mr. Shore. Mr. CHRISTOPHER presented a petition from a place in Lincolnshire against the Parliamentary Oaths Mr. SMITH presented a petition from Birmingham praying tee House to take steps to insure efficient rail way travelling on Sundays. Mr. S. WORTLEY presented several petitions in favour of his Bill for legalizing marriage with a deceased wife's sister. Mr. I'. EGERTON presented a petition from a place in the county of Chester against the Parliamentary Oaths Bill. General LYG ON presented a petition from a place in Worcestershire against the Copyhuld Enfranchisement Bill. Mr. DEEDES presented petitions from Kent com plaining of agricultural distress. MARRIAGE BILL. Mr. EWART brought in the Marriage by License Ball, which was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. VOTE BY BALLOT. Mr. 11. BERKELEY postponed his motion with re spect to taking votes for Members of Parliament by way of ballot until the 17th inst. PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. Mr. T. D'E YN COURT gave notice of his intention to ask for leave to bring in a Bill to shorten the duration of Parliaments. Mr. S. CRAWFORD gave notice that, on the motion of the lion. Member for Montrose, to amend the national representation, he should move an amendment to extend the suffrage to all adult males, not disqualified by law, which had been registered and resident for a certain time within the electoral districts. CLERGY RELIEF BILL. Mr. C. LUSHINGTON gave notice that in the Com mittee on the Clergy Relief Bill, he should move that the following words be added as a proviso to the 6th clause:— " Provided always, that nothing in this Act now con tained shall authorise the refusal of the right of burial in the accustomed manner to any dissenting person." FETHARD FEVER HOSPITAL. Mr. SCULLY moved for copies of all the corre spondence between the Board of Health, the Poor-law Board, and the Board of Guardians of the Cashel Union, sopretehe ttovitciele-guii,eatrdns and iaa ia rdTenipo a r n a y r • y o F th e e v r er p H er o s s u p n i s t , al7 ith re- Agreed to. MR. CIWE AND THE WORCESTERSHIRE SESSIONS. Sir J. PAKINGTON asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether the amount of the recognizances of the Rev. Mr. Crewe, which were es treated by order of the Court for non-attendance to give evidence on a trial at the Michaelmas Quarter Sessions for Worcestershire, had been returned to Mr. Crewe by order of the Treasury; and if so, upon what grounds, and whether the forms and practice usual at the Trea sury and the Home-office on such occasions were ob served in this instance. Sir G. GREY stated that after an inquiry had been made into the facts of, the case the recognixances had been returned by the Treasury to Mr. Crewe. It ap hoobmere, but as the justices were not all p ap peared that he attended the sessiorensse o n n t h a e d r a e y tu in rn O ed et t able to return to i n the evening, a distance of 13 miles, and afterwards b ec ame so unwell that he was no The Right non. W orce ster on the following day. Baronet, after detailing the universa l course adopted in cases of this kind, stated that in consequence of an acci dental omission it had no t been followed in the present instance. PRIVILEGE. REPORTING THE DEBATES — BR EACH OF Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL begge d to call the attention f pri vilege. The sessional orders of the House laid down that House during of the House to what he conceived was a breach o strangers were not to be admitted int o the its debates, and that its debates s h o uld not be reported without the permission of the house. He was not going to argue at all upon the good sense of retaining such a rule; at the same time, when strangers were b_e per mitted to report their proceedings if was but reasonable that the House should expect them to' be fairly and impartially reported. In a newspaper called the Times—(Laughter)—a great violation of that rule took place in the debate which occurred on the third reading of the Rate in Aid Bill for Ireland._ Be believed the proper course would be to call the printer of that paper to the bar to answer for his conduct, and lee (Mr. J. O'Connell) would conclude with a mo tion to thlit effect. Lie found the proceedings of last night were regularly set out and reported, but ha found that not only a great part of what Hon. Members said was reported, that nitich of what they did say was omitted, and that a deal of what they did not say was given.—(Laughter.) He found a great deal of what he himself said was omitted. Now, it might be a matter of not great importance to the editor of the Times what he (Mr. John O'Connell) said in that House, but to himself it was of some importance that he should be tolerably correctly reported, for he had a constituency to whom he was responsible for his conduct. He had observed that the speeches of the Irish Members were not done the same justice to as those of English Members. He complained that that was unfair. He did not know whether the other Irish Members in the House would longer submit to that practice; but he (Mr. J. O'Connell) for one would not do so. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by charging the proprietors, printers, and editors of the Times, and all concerned, with a violation of the order of the House, and by moving that the printer of that paper be called to the bar of the House to answer for his conduct. Mr. SCULLY seconded the motion. _ The SPEAKER said he could not put the motion, in asmuch us the Hon. Member had not given the name of the printer.—(Laughter.) Mr. JOIIN O'CONNELL here hurried out of the House, and returning in a few moments with a news paper in his hand, said the name of the printer was John Joseph Lawson.—(Laughter.) The SPEAK FR put the motion that John Joseph Lawson be called to the bar of the House to•morrow. Mr. F. O'CONNOR did hope the Honourable Gen tleman would spare the time of the House. If any Member had a right to complain of his speeches nut being impartially reported, he himself had that right, but he did not think it worth his while to complain to the House on a matter of that kind. Sir GEORGE GREY said, considering the 'cir cumstances under which their debates were reported, that the gentlemen who were engaged in that business had a mere permissive right to report the proceedings, which was clogged with some disadvantages, he hoped the Hon. Gentleman would not do anything to cast censure on the repDrts of the debates in the public journals. He (Sir G. Grey) himself was not in the habit of reading the debates; he generally contented himself with reading those admirable summaries of the proceedings of the House which of late years had been given in the public journals, and which contained a most fair and impartial resume of the debate. Mr. BROTEERTON said, with regard to the real question before the House, he really thought the Times was a moat accurate paper indeed ; he was sometimes quite[surpriscd to see !hell accuracy, with which it gave the debates. There was another paper, how ever, which he could not say so much for, and that other paper was the Daily News, which had represented him to have stated in the House that his last election cost him 4,0001., which was wholly untrue. The fact was he had been elected five times for Salford, and on no one of those occasions had his election cost him a penny piece.—(Hear, hear.) He made a practice of never paying anything for his elec tions, and he knew most of his friends disbelieved the report, and he did not care much about it.—(Laughter.) Mr. J. O'CONNELL said what he complained of was that the speeches of Irish Members were not given fully. The Right lion. Baronet being an English Member had nothing to complain of in that respect, but he com plained that much of what he did say was entirely omitted, while a great deal of what he did not say had been put in. —(Hear, hear, and laughter.) If the House wished to get rid of the rule to which he had directed attention, let them abrogate it at once ; but so long as it existed, let the House see that fair play was done to Irish as well as English Members. For the present, however, he should withdraw his motion; but it the offence were repeated, he should not deal with it so lightly.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. BERKELEY suggested that the Hon. and Learned Member had better send his speeches to the papers, instead of making them in the House.—(Hear.) The motion was then withdrawn. MR. LAYARD'S DISCOVERIES. Sir J. PAKINGTON wished to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether it was the intention of her majesty's Government to assist Mr. Layard in his dis coveries of the remains of Nineveh, by any pecuniary grant, and if so, to what amount? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he had written to Mr. Layard, mentioning a sum to propose to Parliament, but . he had not yet received any reply from that gentleman. PUNISHMENT OF DEATH. Mr. EWART having presented a large number of petitions against the punishment of death, proceeded to move for leave to bring in a Bill to abolish it, remarking that if he were not convinced that the feeling of the country was against it, he should not have troubled the House with the motion. Every day, however, con vinced the people more and more of the impolicy of continuing this law upon the statute book, and the feel ing in the country against it was stronger than some Honourable Members were disposed to admit. They were at a crisis on this subject—the time had come when the question must be settled. The number of murders had unfortunately increased; but unlike others, he drew this inference from this melancholy fact, that their institutions had produced no effect. He held it to be true that death by the law did not deter from the com mission of murder. But suppose they had abolished capital punishment, would no; his Right Hon. Friend (Sir George Grey) have attributed the murders that had taken place to the repeal of the law. Now, he entertained a contrary opinion ; he attributed the murders that had taken place, to the public executions that had preceded them, to the hardening of these who had witnessed such exhibitions, and the teaching of them to look upon human life with less respect than before. As on all former occasions on which he had submitted this question to the House, he should on the present avoid any allusion to the theological part of the subject. He looked upon the punishment of death as a desecration of our religion. The question was one, he considered, of expediency, and he took his stand in opposing it upon that ground. Upon that ground Viccaria, an eminent writer who first converted him to the opinions he held, urged the necessity of abolishing the punishment of death. Then the last report of the Commission on Criminal Law, stated it as its opinion, that all punish ments rested alone upon social necessity. He held that social necessity justified the abrogation of the punishment of death. They had appealed in this matter to the fears and prejudices of the country. His Honourable Friend had said that attempts to murder had increased, for the five years ending with 1846, as compared with the five years ending in 1831, the number being in the farmer 1,099, and in the latter but 451. He also said that there had been an increase of rape, arson, and poisoning, and attributed this to the abolition of the punishment of death with respect to these cases—that the abolition of the punishment had caused an increase of crime. He denied that ho had taken a true test. In order to have rendered his argument logical, he should have gone further and demanded the renewal of death punishments. In respect of these cases that he took a fallacious test—he took only four cases out of 20 which he should have taken, and which he (Mr. Ewart) was prepared to show had fallen in num ber though the death punishment had been abolished. The Right Hon. Baronet (Sir G. Grey) had stated that there was an increase in the number of cases since ca pital punishment was repealed for rape, but the fact was, that previous to the repeal, persons hesitated prosecuting for rape, and indicted for the minor offence of an as ssult. The returns laid before the House showed a great diminution, instead of an increase, in those crimes which were previously punishable by death. For five years previous to the abolition there were 259 execu tions, and for the first five years afterwards only 99 ; while the number of offences in the former pe riod were 12,000, and in the latter 11,320. To show that they could safely do without capital punish , meat he would simply mention that the returns before the House went to show that whenever they had miti gated the law, the experiment had proved most success ful. It would not do now for the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Home Department to rise in his place and meet this motion by saying simply that the murderer deserved his punishment, the Right lion. Baronet was bound to prove that punishment of death was justifiable on the ground of legislative expediency, and not as a system of terror. He, however, could urge many reasons why capital punishment should be done away with. In the first place, it was an uncertain punishment. The excellence of a punishment consisted in its certainty, and to make this punishment certain they must be prepared to execute every criminal convicted of the crime of murder. He apprehended, however, that no advo cate for capital punishment were prep ired to go that length. Considerable sensation had recently been excited upon this subject by the execution of two criminals, between the extent of whose crimes there was a vary material difference. He alluded to the unfortu nate woman executed at Bristol and the notorious cri• minal recently executed at Norwich. Ought there not to have been a distinction . between these two criminals?—(Hear, hear.) Even the staunchest upholders of the necessity of capital punishment admilted the inequality of the punishment in cases like those in relation to the crime, and he insisted, therefore, that, with a due regard for public feeling, the Right lion. Baronet could not execute in all cases of murder. T ewo h am e s nh n e 6 lost the advantage of certainty in the punish ment, while, on the other hand, if he adopted this measure the punishment would be made certain.— (Cries of "Hear, hear.") No one could deny that public executions had a demoralising tendency. So long as they continued capital punishments, not only would they have the demoralising spectable of the scaf fold, but they would have the accounts, in all the pomp of circumstance, from the first beginnings of crime to its last ignominious expiation, re corded by their liberal press, which narraied all those demoralising circumstances, and thus produced the worst possible effect on the tastes, the morals, and the religion of the people; and so long would they throw around the assassin that morbid degree of interest which now always attached to him. Under the present system, instead of leaving the criminal to dwell on those motives for repentance which his position was calculated to awaken, they diverted hs mind from that wholesome exercise. by calling his attention to the sufferings of his ignomi nious death on the scaffold. Again, he held capital pun ishments to be objectionable in p in g t r h e st a t te t r hey n i u n m fli b ct e e r d on f the criminal the same dreadful crime that he had in. flirted on his victim. But there was another great ob jection,it was that when once capital punishment inflicts ailid d e it e could f noten once be executedrecalled ; t h e i t criminalw as bey was placed in Belgium and pu nishment had beyond atl the pale abolishedofrepentance. Capital pu possessive; thein RtheemalnVensetputdiciesc,eraitnedl rc veiled. He felt punishment the principle which he was ' strongly that hold en the people our advocating was gaining th o e vn best had ed years Of this country.--(Lioar., EVENING, MAY 1, 1849. Ireland had a native Parliament, these deaths could not have taken place, for the Irish would .have shut the ports, stopped the 'distilleries, and :exerted themselves to meet the distress. When Ireland had a Parliament, they voted 250,00:.!. in the year 1795, fethe defence of England, and forty thous:znd men for the pub lic defence against a threatened French invasion. It was said in that House, that if England lost the first place among the nations of Europe, she would be nothing. He believed it, and he should always wish she were first, but it was not keeping her position to be peddling about a few pounds and a few stones of meal, while the people of Ireland were starving. He wished the Liberal Members of Ireland to consider what they had done; they destroyed the agricultural interests of the country--(" Hear" from the Protectionists)—they destroyed its commerce, mainly by supporting certain measures, and let them not now put the finishing stroke to the miseries of the country. It was said there were bad landlords in Ireland, and he believed it, but they were not all bad, and in many cases, to his own knowledge, more particularly in Connaaght,Cavan, and parts of Connaught, no rent WAS paid at all, for several years. Let the House look at his own case. lie had property nrar that farmed by the l)uke of Buckingham, in the county of Longford, and Colonel White had prop er ty a l so , an d so had Lord Longford; but what was :the fact? The Buckingham property was covered with paupers, whom they had to support in addition to their own; and although it was recently sold for 14,5001, not a single shilling could the purchaser get from the tenantry on that property. They first, as he had said, destroyed their agriculture and commerce—they took away the constitution in conse quence of a mock insurrection, and then talked of sending away the people by emigration. For his own part, he was incendiary enough, and would continue so, to tell the people of Ireland not to pay any rents to the absentees—for they were the cause of the misfortunes which befell the country. For his own part, he should vote for the Bill, in the hope that it would afford some relief to the famishing people in the present dreadful crisis. Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL then proceeded to address the House, in the midst of loud and vociferous cries of " Divide, divide." He denied, in the first instance, that the people of Ulster were superior either in know ledge or loyalty to those of the south or west of Ireland, as had been alleged by Hon. Members on the other side of the House. Ile had also heard it complained of that the loan of ten millions to the people for some years back created a bad effect. He denied it, for it relieved the people from death by starvation in many instances, and where so many lives were preserved it could not have created a bad effect. He voted, as he had already said, for the Bill now before the House as a choice of two evils, and ha should say it was not lair for that House to place Irish Members in so pailful a position. —(Hear.) They had heard that evening of the horrible account given by the gentleman who, in driving through the western parts of Ireland, in the county of Mayo, was obliged to desist from his journey in consequence of the number of bodies which lay dead and festering along the road. But they had not heard half the story of the horrors which now existed in that unfortunate country. He had received letters from various other parts of Ire land—Kilkenny, for instance, a rich and fertile district — from places within a short distance of the metropolis, and in the gangway, if he might use such an expres sion, of trade and commerce, and yet the destitution which prevailed was really frightful. The Hon. Member then proceeded to read an extract from the Cork Eva• miner, in which the writer of the letter gave a melan choly description of the misery produced in various places in Kerry, in consequence of recent evictions which took place in that county; and then proceeded to say, they might depend on it that the emigration now going forward of the farmers and yeomen of the country, which was most disastrous, would be encouraged instead of checked, if this system of eviction were permitted to go on. They were beautifying the public buildings of that metropolis, widening streets, and rendering them more magnificent than any others in Europe ; but they were doing that—they were expending money at a time when the people of Ireland were starving. It had been blasphemously asserted that the misery of Ireland was Heaven's will; that her people ought to be left to their own wretchedness. Yes, in rich powerful England, and in the nineteenth century, such language was used, and the author not reproved, towards millions of God's creatures, and for whose salvation he laid down his life. Colonel DUNNE said that unless they were taxed justly, the Irish Members would not support this mea sure. He was prepared to show that in Ireland they could not get this money, and therefore this security was delusive. The whole tax must tall on one-half of Ireland. He thought the poor-law objectionable. There was no help for Ireland at this moment, unless they fundamentally altered this poor-law. He repudiated the idea that the Irish Members were responsible fur any thing that was going on in Ireland. The Government ought to have spoken out. Their present proceedings would not result in any permanent benefit to the coun try. There were 172 petitions from Ireland against this measure, and only one for it The measure was opposed to the general feeling in that country. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared— Fur the amendment Against it . . Majority -74 The Bill was then read a third tinge. Colonel RAWDON suggested some verbal alterations in the title of the Bill. He thought the collection of this rate would most materially affect the beneficial ope ration of the poor-law in Ireland. After the word cer tain he moved to insert the words "other more" dis tressed unions. He protested against this invasion of the Act of Union. Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought the words objected to'unobjectionable, therefore he should not agree to the intendment. It was then negatived without:a division. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.—NAVY ESTIMATES. The House then went into a Committee of Supply, Mr. BEItNAL in the chair. The following votes were passed nou. con.:-138,214/. to defray the salaries of the officers and the general ex penses of the Admiralty-office; 9,772/. for the General Register and Record-office of Seamen; and 52,8471. for the suientific branch of the nary. On the vote of 137,2871. for her Majesty's establish ments at home. Mr. CORRY took occasion to remind the House that the late Secretary of the Admiralty (Mr. Ward), in moving the estimates, and in explaining the alterations which the Admiralty proposed in the dockyards, made some observations with respect to the manner in which the business was carried on by the dock yard officers. Since that time certain Hon. Members, following up the remarks of the Hon. Gentleman had made use of strong language in reference to those. officers —some having even gone the length of charging them with gross and profligate mismanagement. Now, hav ing had five years' experience of the manner in which business was carried on in the dockyards, and enter taining the highest respect for the officers of those establishments, he felt bound to say that the observa tions which had been made upon them were by no means deserved.—(Hear, hear.) Ho would do the Hon. Gentleman the late Secretary of the Admiralty the justice to say that he did not think he intended to convey the impression to the souse which some Hon. Gentlemen had attached to his remarks.—(llear, hear.) It had been said, too, that the Board of Admiralty had for 200 years been conniving at gross peculation and extrava gance in the dockyards. Without denying that the system was open to improvement, he felt bound to maintain that the charges which ha d been ur g ed a g ainst it were greatly exaggerated. It was said, for instance, that there had been no audit of wages; but that did not arise from any loose management on the part of the authorities, but simply because they had always found their preliminary in quiries sufficient to secure accuracy. Then again it was said that there had been no general survey of stores; but that was because of the enormous expense which such a survey would have occasioned, and because it was considered to be unnecessary, iu consequence of other arrangements calculated to secure the same end, With respect to the existence of any check upon expen diture, it should not be forgotten that there was a monthly return of all the stores, which was duly verified by the superintendents. Str F.'l'. BARING regretted that bis lion. Friend (Mr. Ward) was not present, in order to explain per. sonally that he had no intention whatever of ascribing blame to the officers of the yards. So far was his Hon. Friend from stating that the system hitherto pursued at the yards had been a system of peculation, that he, on the contrary, was much struck and greatly satisfied, on strict inquiry, by the honesty with which the public busi ness had been carried on in the yards.—(lleur, hear.) No doubt there was room for improvement there, as in all large establishments of a similar nature. The vote was then agreed to, as was also a Yo to of 24,8731, for the salaries of officers, &c., and contingent expenses of the aaval establishments abroad. On the vote of 414,4161., for the wages of artificers, labourers, and others employed in the naval establish ments at home, Mr. COBDEN hoped the Right Hon. Baronet would not object to postpone it, as the Hon. Member for Mon trose (Mr. Hume), who had two amendments on the paper with respect to the reduction of the dockyard bat talions and of the shipwrights, was unable to attend in his place owing to a sudden attack of cold which ren dered him quite inaudible. Sir F. T. BARING said, ho would not object to post pone bringing up the report on that particular vote till the lion. Member (Mr. Hume) could attend in his place. The vote was then agreed to. 40,7441. for wages to artificers, labourers, and others employed in the establishments was also agreed to. On the ♦ote of 1,168,8691. for naval stores, building. repair, and outfit of the fleet, and for steam machinery, Mr. COBDEN avid that all who had examined into the details of the Committee last year would be satisfied there were no grounds whatever for the charge of pecu lation in any branch of the service; but, at the same time, there was a very general opinion that the manage ment of our establishments was very defective, and ac cordingly a Committee had been appointed to revise the system and put the public on the footing of private establishments. He should like the Right Hon. Baronet to state the result of the inquiries of that Committee, as to which the late secretary (Mr. Ward) had been very anxious. Sir F. T. BARING was understood to state that the report presented by the Committee was now in course of being carried into effect. The vote was then agreed to. On the vote of 301,934/. to defray the charges of im provements, repairs. Ex., Mr. FAGAN, at some length, but in so low a tone as to be almost i❑audible, rose to bring under consideration the expenses of the erection of a steam-factory at Haul bowline. lie complained of the very small portion of money expended in Ireland, and called on the Govern me❑t to redeem their promise of making a landing-place at Cork. Sir F. T. BARING assured the lion. Gentleman that th• Admiralty not only admitted but wero most willing to perform their promise. —(Hear, hear.) With respect to establishing a steam-factory at Cork, he could only say the project had been stopped there as well as in other places, from the general curtailment of expendi ture, which had been as strictly Enforced in England as in Ireland. Mr. J. O'CONNELL thought it a great hardship that Ireland should have only one dockyard, while England had ten or eleven. Admiral BOWLES expressed his opinion that some of the large grants made to Ireland should have been employed in such reproductive works as the erection of a steam-factory at Cove. He hoped the Government would not listen to the advice of those who would reduce the navy to a state of degradation. He did not think they could reduce the navy lower than it was at present. Recollecting how, in 1846, the United States had attempted to seize the Oregon ter ritory ; how, in 1847, they had attacked Mex ico ; how, at the present moment, all Europe was torn by foreign and intestine warfare, he could see no ground on which they would be justified in reducing the navy, or in dispensing with the services of that small farce which they now kept in a state of tfficiency. Neither had any new circumstances arisen to lessen the necessity for precaudon. They had a powerful neigh bour which maintained strong naval and military esta blishments, and which might turn upon this country with much more facility than at any tormer period. Perhaps it was an old-fa:,hioned idea of his to prefer ex perience to theory. But it was imagined that the time was at hand when warfare would ct are, and armaments might be dispensed with. Those who took a prominent and active part in urging reductions might have been expected to inculcate those great Christian principles of charity, love, and forbearance, by the diffusion of sit hit/ alone that happy change could be effected.—(Hear, hear.) He regretted to say he saw nothing of the sort. He thought those gentlemen were as pugnacious politicians as he had seen in the course of a long experience. He was reminded of the fable of the sheep, the wolves, and the dogs. He pre ferred the dogs to the wolves. The attempt was made to undermine these great safeguards of the country which those who had engaged in it would not venture to take openly. They disparaged the management and sneered at the efficiency of the naval establishments. He could not forbear noticing the unbusinesalike way in which discussions were commenced. No inquiry was made as to the establishments of other maritime nations. During the inquiry of last year not a question was asked tending to elicit information on that point. France had 40 sail of the line, 60 frigates, and a large steam navy; Russia had about 55 sail of the line, a smaller number of frigates, a steam navy considerably increas ing; and merica 12 sale of the line, 14 frigates, and an increasing steam navy. In 1793 this country had 78 sail of the line in commission, and in 1795 upwards of 90. At a later period of the war this country had to contend with France, Spain, Holland, with two northern coalitions, and finally with the United States. What would have been their situation had they been, a few years before those contests, in :the. hands of the financial reformers? The reduction of the navy by 3,000 men involved the breaking up of the squadron fitted out in 1845, and which, no doubt, had acted as a check on the American Government. With respect to the ships which were said to have never been at sea, the reason was, that providentially this country had not been at war. Some of the old vessels were of inferior qua lity, and it was better to go on building new vessels than expending an equal sum of money in repairing the old ones. While other navies were increasing, the navy of Great Britain was diminishing; and he therefore en treated the House not to sutler the revolution which was urged in the system to proceed further, but rather to persevere in the measures undertaken by the Right Hon. Member for Tamworth, to supply the deficiencies of the navy, and especially to increase the steam navy and put the dockyards on a better footing; while, at the same time, the education of that rising generation of officers should not be neglected, on whose skill the country must rely for defence in all future emergencies. Mr. HENLEY thought the Government placed in a difficult position. On the one hand, the country was calling out for reduction, while there were two parties in that House who took a different course. The Irish Members called for new establishments, for no other purpose apparently but to have money spent in Cork.— (Hear, hear.) However anxious they all were to sus tain the honour and dignity of the country, they were agreed in thinking that their establishments should be kept up as economically as possible. The multiplicity of their establishments very much increased the expense. Ile was one of those who thought there were too many of those establishments already; if they had fewer, the work would be better done, and the cost would be less. There was nothing to show that the navy was neglected. In 1843 the number of men was very much the same as at this moment. The number of men might fairly be taken to test the other items of expenditure. The Go vernment were must fit to determine what should be the number of men. But at the present day more was paid for stores and dockyards than in 1843. He wished the Government had been able to make a greater reduc tion. The expenses of the dockyards were higher than they ought to be. Reduction might be carried to a much further extent; but it was for the public interest that the service should Ise maintained in as efficient a state and at as moderate a cost as possible. _ Admiral DUNDA reminded the Hon. Gentleman that the estimates for the present year included items which were not included in the expenditure of former y ears. Mr. HENLEY had taken caro in his comparison to omit those items which related to the victualling yards and the steam navy. Mr. CORRY said that from 1818 to 1827 the average yearly amount of the navy estimates was 6,141,0001. ; from 1833 to 1838 it was 4,764,0001.; during the five years of the last Administration it was 7,062,0001.; and during the three years which the present Government had held office it had been 7,492,0001. If the increase which had been made in the estimates since 1827, on ac count of cunt' acts for packet service, additional men and additional pensions, were to be added to the estimates for the years between 1818 and 1827, these estimates would exceed the present estimates by about 450,0001. When it was borne in mind, too, that since 1828 we had created large steam establishments in the dockyards, and established a steam navy, the House would see cause to doubt that the percentage on wear and tear was less formerly than now. Mr. HENLEY said that 1814 was the period which ho referred to, and insisted on the statement which he had made being correct. Lord BERNARD advocated the propriety of advanc • ing money for the improvement of Cork harbour. The sum required for the completion of the works would nut exceed 30,0001. Colonel SIBTIIORP gave notice that upon the bring ing up of the report he would move that the number of the Lords of the Admiralty should be reduced by two, and that the salary of the First Lord should be reduced by ten per cent. Captain FITZROY was happy to bear his testimony to the fact that the navy had never been in a more effi• cient state than under the late First Lord and the late Secretary to the Admiralty; whilst at the same time due attention had been paid to economy. Ile wished to know whether there was any improvement as to the me thod of coaling the steam navy, for considering that only 100 tons could be put on board in a day on the old sys tem, it was desirable that some other mode should be adopted. Another question to which he wished to call the attention of the Government was with regard to the freight of specie. He thought it would be better if some arrangements could be made for altering the present practice. - Sir F. T. BARING was much obliged to the lion. Gentleman for the handsome terms in which he had referred to the state of the navy under the late Lord Auckland and his lion. Friend Mr. Ward. He was glad also to have the opportunity of bearing his testi mony to the merits of hits lion. Friend the late secretary. He must say that during the short time he had been at the Admiralty he had never met with a more zealous public servant.—(llear, hear.) The attention of his lion. Friend had been much given to the subject to which the lion. Gentleman first referred—that of coal ing the steam navy ; but he (Sir F. Baring) had been so short a time in his present office that he was not yet acquainted with all the details of it. Ile believed, how ever, that before long a new plan would be adopted. With respect also to freight, the question was one of considerable difficulty, and he had not yet been able to come to a satisfactory determination upon it. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY thee complained of the works that had been carried on at Keyham. Already 479,0001, had been spent upon them, and now 120,0001. more was quired. There was a powder-magazine in the middle of the works, and he should wish to know what was the ' determination respecting that magazine before they voted any more money. Sir W. MOLESWORTH thought there had been great waste and extravagance with regard to these works. In 1844 Parliament had been informed that certain works were to be commenced at Keyham ; these were to cost 400,0001., and on the faith of that estimate Parliament had voted 30,000/. On the 25th of September of the same year, a Mr. Baker, a contractor, had pro posed to the Admiralty a plan of operations at Keyham which required 713,0001. for the completion of p o r t io na the only, not of the whole of the intended works, and Admiralty approved of the plan, andent . ; in virtue of entered into en gagements with Mr. Baker to that e ffect those engagements the Secretary of the A dmiralty had stated that Parliament was pledg_edeyteoretnexpleenfisd ? b e e t year t at least 120,0001. at Keyhatn. A estimate in 1845 had been only fo a l. , 67 tn 5 a ,0 t 00 132 /. Admiralty O t m h e o n ti t gh th th a e t the whole of the whaovrkeskinowconntemplation at Keyham could not be completed for muchleesthannftw6irmtuhoalt sum. In 18 46 and 1847 the same estimate had been laid befo re Parliament. At length—last year —the h2l been increased to 1,225,0001 . The Navy e a' - ' howeve r, had discovered that an im portant item had been omitted from that estimate, and now the Committee was told that 1,322,627/. was the SUM requ ired, a l t h o ugh the lion. Gentlem an t h e Secre tary for the Admiralty had told the Navy Committee that the scale upon which the Admiralty would pro pose to open Keyham would be less than half that laid down in the plans which they found traced out by the previous Government." Ile had likewise told the Nave Committee that it was originally proposed to have two basins and three docks at Keyham, and that the pre sent Government had struck out one of the docks. It was evident, therefore, that from the year 1844 to 1848 Parliament had been misinformed with regard to the intended costs of these works. It tad however, been said that th e wor k s est i mated in 1844 at ' 400,0001. were different Iron those which were now to cost more than 1,300,0001. How did they differ? Precisely in the same manner as the foundation of a house differed from the whole house when completed. The works of 1844 would have been useless without the subsequent works. If in 1844 the Admiralty had plainly stated that it would be useless to commence the works unless Parliament were prepared to expend 1,300,0001. upon , them, what would have been the consequences? In all probability Parliament, knowing that there were costly works connected with the steam navy in progress at Woolwich and Portsmouth, would have hesitated to commence far more costly ones at Keyham without more information. and would perhaps have referred•the ques tion to a Select Committee ; and if the Committee bad been like the .Navy Committee of last year, the works ut Keyham would never have been com menced, for the Navy Committee had stated in their report that if those works had not been com menced, they would have had no hesitation in re commending Parliament to withhold its sanction from them. There was no doubt that great blunders had been committed with regard to these works. First, they were on the lee shore .instead of being on the weather shore, and therefore exposed to the prevailing winds. It was, however, a strange fact that it was the same with all our dock) ards.—(Hear, hear.) Secondly, there was cot a sufficient depth of water at Keyham—(Hear, hear)—sa that the largest class of steamers would only be able to enter the basins at spring tides. To remedy this defect it was proposed to cut a channel through the mud and to endeavour to keep it open by constant dredging. Thirdly, the entrances to the basins being at right angles to the current of the stream, large steamers would run the risk of considerable damage in entering, unless they entered at the top of the tide, at slack water. Fourthly, the basins were , xtravatantly large; the two would cover sixteen acres, and would easily contain be tween fifty and sixty steamers of the largest size. But what possible use could there be for such enormous basins when there was such a harbour as the flamoaze et hand ?—(Hear, hear.) Fifthly, the works were prematurely undertaken. In 1844 works connected with the steam navy were in progress at Woolwich and Portsmouth ; Parliament, as usual, had been misin formed that they would be completed for 100.0001. Since then about 400,0001. had been expended there. Now, the Admiralty should have waited until those works had been completed, and then, it experience had proved their expediency, works of a similar character might have been constructed at Devonport for about a third of what Keyham would cost. Sixthly, all these works had been undertaken, partly in consequence of a most ludicrous miscalculation of pecuniary benefits to be derived from them. It had been calculated that by means of these works steam-vessels could be re paired for about 2.5 per cent. cheaper than by con tract. From this calculation the cost of the works, and of keeping them in repair, had been omitted. Now, it would be easy to show that the interest of the money expended, and the cost of keeping the works in repair, would be nearly equal to the whole cost of repairing the steam navy by contract.--(Hear, hear.) It was evident that these works had been begun in the most thoughtless, reckless, and unbusiness-like manner. They were, however, but a specimen of a system which had been pursued for years both by the Admiralty and the Ordnance. He thought it was worthy of considera tion whether there should not be a board of public works, to which all plans and estimates, both of new works and of alterations of old works, should be sub mitted ; which board should bo responsible to Parlia ment for the accuracy of both plans and estimates ; and without the full report of which board as to the nature and intended cost of a work no estimate should be pre sented to Parliament. If there had been snch a rule in 1844 Parliament would not, by voting 30,0001. on an estimate of 400,0004, have pledged itself to works cost ing 1,300,000/. He thought, with respect to these works at Key ham, that the wisest plan would be to stop them, and to pay a forfeit to the contractor, for by doing so there would probably be a saving of 700,0004 He, therefore, moved that the amount of the vote be re duced by 120,000/. Mr. CORRY said that, as he was in office at the Ad. miralty when the works at Keyham were undertaken, he was enabled to afford the House some information on the subject. The Hon. Baronet had proposed in the Com mittee on the Navy Estimates that a step should be put to these works, but his proposition was only supported by another Hon. Gentleman besides himself; and he (Mrs Curry) therefore hoped that the Committee of the House would support the Committee upstairs in their decision. by rejecting the Hon. Baronet's amendment. The Hon. Baronet had said on a former occasion that the Admi ralty, under the pretext of making economical repairs, were squandering large sums upon the works of Keyham. Now, those works were undertaken solely in order to maintain the efficiency of the steam navy, which in case of war was essential to the safety of the country. It must be obvious to every one acquainted with naval affairs, that if there were any part of the coast where it was essential to have a harbour of refuge and means of re pair for steam-ships, that place was Devonport. As the greater part of our naval force would be required in the event of war for protecting the coast of Ireland, or for blockading the western coast of France, Devonport was the best point at which provision could be made for its repair, and that port was also easy of access to ships coming from any foreign station, except from the North Sea and the Baltic. He admitted the Committee had expressed their opinion that it the works at Keyham had had not been commenced they would not have recom mended that they should be undertaken; but, with all de. ference to the Committee, he would rather rely on the opinion of gentlemen who had much more acquaintance with matters of this kind than the Members of that Committee could possibly possess. Mr. Ward, nearly all the Naval Lords of the Admiralty, the late Lord Auckland, Admiral Bowles, Mr. S. Herbert, many engineers, and, indeed, all the witnesses examined before the Committee, with only ono exception, ho believed, had urged the necessity of eats ' blishing extensive works for the repair of steam ma chinery and steam-ships at Devonport. It had been said that the works might have been commenced on a small scale; but he considered that there could bo no worse economy than to commence important works of this kind on a small scale. 'The Honourable Baronet had given a most exaggerated account of the capabilities of the basins at Keyham. It was true that the basins were very extensive, but this arose from the necessity of having space for bringing the ships alongside the wharfs, that they might be placed under the shears to receive the immense weight of boilers and machinery; and, so far from those basins having been constructed on an ex travagantly large scale, it was in evidence that they were only about one-third larger than the basins at Ports mouth. He had been informed by an officer that so far from the basins at Woolwich and Portsmouth being too large, the only mistake had been in making them so small; and he therefore thought it was the duty of the Government, in undertaking new works, to take care that sufficient accommodation was provided. The Ho nourable Baronet had said that a gross blunder had been committed in placing the works at Keyham on the le* shore; but, as the dockyard was on the lee aide of the harbour, it was deemed advisable to place the basins ou the same shore. The Hon. Baronet was entirely mis taken in his statement respecting the depth of water, fur he (Mr. Curry) believed the channel would be kept per fectly clear without having recourse to dredging. Al thcugh he admitted it was desirable that Parliament should have the fullest information as to the extent to which it was intended to carry these works, yet it was very difficult on commencing a great undertaking of thin kind to determine upon the particular works, so as to make a satisfactory estimate. During the progress of such works various improvements, enlargements, or alterations might become necessary; and if in 1843 be had laid before Parliament a full estimate of the works at Keyham, he would have been deceiving the House, for he really did not then know to what extent it might be de sirable to go. He denied, however, that the Government in the course they had taken, had had any intention of deceiving Parliament, for their estimates had always specified the particular portions of the work for which votes were required. The increase in vote No. 11 had been noticed, but that increase was caused by the same circumstance which had led to the increase of many other estimates in this department —by the necessity of providing for the maintenance and repair of the steam navy. Another cause of the increased expenditure for works in the dockyards was this—when the late Board of Admiralty came into office, they found the dockyards in a state of dilapidation, they considered it their duty to place them in an efficient condition, and hence con siderable expense had been incurred, but he believed it had been attended with results most advantageous to the public service. After a few words, in explanation, from Sir W. MO LESW OR TH, Mr. COBDEN said it had been stated before the Committee to which the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Curry) had referred, that the Government had en tered into contracts to a certain amount for con structing the works at Keyham ; and a strong opinion was expressed in the Committee that those contracts should be adhered to, but he thought there was also a strong feeling that the works should nut go on after those contracts were completed. take the sense of the House as to whether any s hirt _ lie hoped his lion. Friend ( a S e t e r in W g . p A l l s o n l e. es .o w br o e r i t t h h ) e w to o h n isea ld ri expense should be incurred until the House_or he f oc i; cost of their construction. He h i a d d ere r d e rea s on practical that the whole thing a na n l d "e b e as h in a s d , aanndopopt opportunity y in n ing what would cessity of these docks, to end.—(Hear.) As to the se me to the resolution that on to know' engineers would have not recom mendedbegun, they icnoeemrsuitiottebee of f is l g a r s ac t e y f e u w a l r as to ca th c e on c s ountry from beginning if they had not been h that i e t h is construction , country because had al re a t d y e y docks were andsa tisfie th t a l basins enough for the repair of all her steamers. Was the House aware that these preparations d were made, not in order to construct engines for their steamships, bat for the repair of these vessels in the event of a great war? It seemed to be assumed that they were to have another general war to•morrow, and that they must therefore be prepared with steam basins, and have everything in order, to be ready for another battle of Trafalgar. Now, was that a wise policy with reference to the taxpayers? He denied the necessity of having a steam-basin at all; and his reason for doing so was, that private builders of steamboats had no basins. —([fear.) There was not in this country such a thing in existence as a steam-basin for the construction of private steam-vessels. The Right Hon. Gentleman said that the advantage of Key ham dock was to be estimated. not by the extent of dock, but by the amount of wharf age. If so, what was th e u se o f t hi s great d oc k? It won d be better to have a great sea-wall, and then to bring up f the steamers alongside the wall. But this sy.s o tr i t the expending public money was carried on b slightest reference to the capabilities of th;:tat had a s of the country ; and if the Governmen t f e t n he H h o ad use. . i 7 inexhaustible California under the table o would be impossibl e for them to work in a more reparation ra Lion was mad* reckless manner than they had do ne eine and the putting for the removal of one powder ere f m3 9o 000/., capable of COR• up of another, at an expense powder.o Was that wanted ? "n to reference to this Keyham dock.—(Hear, hear.) i taining 40,000 barrels of They had 90,000 barrels at pre sent all stored in places of it necessa ry was all done in reference to war. Now, was primed, charged, and loaded security in this country. But he should _ be told . that thill that everything should be in preparation for a great war to-morrow.—(Hear, hear.) war, would be Instead of preparing for an imaginary it wiser to consider the convenience and capabilities of the__ taxpayers; and, in order to put on end to the eaersordi• the clergy are daily coming over to his views ; he had the opinion of several Recorders of large towns, of three English Judges, and of two Irish Judges in favour of - the revel of punish ment by death; and he thought the day was not tar dis tant when the repeal of that ignominious and demora lizing punishment will be succesful, and when the people of this country would call on that House to wipe from its statute book the spirit of revenge, and to leave un lettered the exercise of the merciful precepts of our holy religion. Sir GEORGE GREY rose, and was [LEFT SPEAKING.] MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (Fromthe London New Price Curren t, Ss:cals.-To-day there was not much desire evinced to operate in West India Sugar, and the purchases3o hhds, can. May 2.) eluded by private treaty amounted to o nly 2 rates for Ssc.; still merchants are firm, and obtained full f 151 both grocery and refining sorts. A public sale o hhds trcs 13arbadoes, however, went off brisk l y at firm rates; fine yellow fetched 41 s to 425, good 40 s t o 40s 6J, low to mid 38s to 39s 6d p e r cwt. REFINED.-TO-day there was little disposition evinced by home dealers to make purchases in refined goods, but i in the value there is no c h a n g e. For Bonded C rushes, Sugar the market has a quet aspect, and 29s Gd to 30s. Gd per cwt are the rates accepted. sales l‘.f a a u f a A t iT i a u r si t -i a T i u s g a a r f t , e c r o n n o s o i l s i ti n t h g e r o e f a 3. e 3 r fu 1e casksor pu 6, b 10 1c i 1 bags. Prices ruled for low to middling yellow at from 36s 6d to 38s, goad to fine 3Ss 6d to 41s, ordinary to fine grey 363 to 395; brown, ordinary to middling 333 6i to 34s 6d, and good to fine 35s to 36s 6d per cwt. EZEAST INDIA.-This afternoon there was not much de sire evinced to do business in Bengal Sugar: at public sale 2,979 bags were only in part sold at rather lower rates: Benares, ordinary white went at 393 to 39s 6d, middling 40s to 40s 6d, good to fine 41s to 425, and yellow Mauritius sort 40s to 41s per cwt. FoaEicsr.--On the part of merchants a desire is materially ma improved. la dera the fall and at a public sale o f 67 shown to sell, and a d ec li ne i n t h e value of 6d per cwt wh h has ss ntakennmoderate place, Is 6d to 2s per cwt. The demand for refining under bond COFFEE.- This a ft ernoon Pl an t a tion Ceylon Coffee casks, 777 bags, rather l ower ra t e s were accepted; good quality sold at 59s to 62 s 6d, m iddling 48s to 565, low middling 43s to 463 6d, goo d an d fine ordinary 35s 6d to 37s 6d, triage 28s Gd ; a p ar t w as taken in at 80s for a favourite mark. Native 30s to 31s per cwt. TEA.-Prices cannot be quoted higher for Congou, but a good business has been concluded; ord to good ord demand from the high est p oint at Yid to Sid, mixed blackish loaf Bid to 10d, blackish leaf 11d to is od, ditto strong is Id to Is 3d, superior and Pekoe flavour Is 4d to is 10d. A fair demand existed for Pouchong at 9d to is 6d, and better sort is 8d to 2s 9d. Of Pouchong the supply is small, and holders ask 6d to Bd. but there are not many buyers. In ord and mid sorts of Green a large busines has been concluded, but not at better prices; there are sellers of good and fine at former rates, yet few buyers are to be met with. The value of Gunpowder Canton made is from is 3d to Is 7d, Hyson kind is 8d to 3s 6d, superior 3s 8d to 4s, Impe rial Canton is to Is 3d, Hyson sort is 5d to 3s, Young Hyson 10d to Is 10d, good to fine 2s to 3s 3d, Hyson common lld to is 2d, but raid to mid Is 3d to Is Bd, good to fine is 9d to 2s Id, superior 2s 9d to 35, Hyson skin 7d to Is 2d, superior Is 3d to is 4d, Twankay ord to good ord 5d to 7d, better sort 8d to ls, and caper 8d to is 6d. There is little va riation to notice in the value of scented or Pekoe Teas, but only a limited business has been concluded, and the supply is good. Cocoa.-West India is still in small supply, and full rates are obtained. There has again been no public sale; for low to fine red Trinidad the value is from 40s to 465, and grey 38s to 42. per cwt. Foreign 28s to 30s. RICE.-In East India operations have been upon a large by private treaty, but chiefly on speculation, and for inferior qualities stiffer rates are obtained, but for superior kinds of white Bengal prices remain much the same as on this day week. At auction 4,000 bags and 1,000 packets were for the most part sold ; Bengal midd lin g and g ood wh i t e went at 93 to 10. 6d, low mid 8 s Gd to 9s, dama g ed 7s 6d to 9s, good cargo 7s 6d, very fine 9s, Penang barley grain 7s, _ and bold yellow Arracan sGdto 8s per cwt. Cleaned has been only in limited r e q uest; town dressed Carolina 20s to 255, Patna low t o flue 13s to 19s, and American cleaned 18s to 2 0 s per cwt ; there is also an increased supply. a dull aspect, and prices a re on the decline. Only small have been made a t i s 3 i d to is 4}d proof purchases SPIRITS.-For Leeward Island Rum the market has strength. East India is 2d to la 3d. Demerara Is lod to 2 s 2 d fo r 28 to 33 p er cent over proo ,t' and 2s 3d to 2 s 4d for 34 to 40 over-proof: is brisker sale. Wo quote plain and mid Lore n ot a 7d to 2s 9d, quality 28 to 30 per cent over proof at 2s For better kinds former rates are kept up, still and better sorts 3s 6d to 4s 2d per gallon. Of Brandy, deliveries for home trade purposes have been extensive good mid 2s 10d to 3s, good 32 to 36 over 3s to 3s 4d, since this day week. On the part of holders there is firmness ; a good business has been concluded, and former rates are well kept up for all sorts. Sales to fair extent have been made in Geneva ; the value of ordinary is is 9d to is l od, and fine tit for duty 2s 3d to Os 3d ; upon these terms there is, however, a desire to sell. British made Spirit is held for former rates, but there has been only a limited business concluded. TALLOW.-There is firmness on the part of holders of Russian, and the rates insisted upon on the spot are 38s 9d to 39s per cwt for fine P.Y. Candle, still the trade have been purchasers to a moderate extent only. For delivery in the last three months of the year there has been a good business concluded at 39s Gd to 40s and at which the market is firm. Home melted has been only in limited request at 39s to 39s 6d on the spot nett cash, and the supply does not get smaller. Other sorts of Tallow realized full rates, although the amount on offer is still lark's. At p u blic sale 12 0 casks, and 480 boxes o f S out h American were for the most part sold at 37s to 39s for good to fine, and at 343 to 39s 6d for low to mid; 430 casks New South Wales, low OILS.-In made at In 261 per Cod t a Oil n. osnelyal_ small purchases 3poulr,chase straw s and have to fine 34s to 38 s 3d per cwt. For auction 1,000 p k gs o f Ta • llow are d ec l are d . Rough Fat 2s 2d per stone. _ 2 lOsBo/u t l fi O f en s rrton holders 1 2 0 0 w / lOs, to a s a mk n d i3do. other t a Sperm-at sorts fo r 2 fi 6 a 1 e , 10 a s d t 0 2 2 8 8 / e . tinged i o nb F ge 2a ee o 9r dn a For 1 11 Southern t only of 90 tun s Colonial pfeorumnd to 78/, inferior 65l to 72/ 15sper tun. L i nsee d O i l 26s 3d to 26s 6d p er cwt on the spot. Only small sal es have been m a d e f or d elivery at 26s 6d to 265 9 d , a t a b t ay auction ctio a n t lOs a 761 p these rates a desire is shown to sell. Fcr Palm a good demand exists, and prices are firm, as the supply does not upon a larger sale fine has been selling at 33s Gd to 345. Rapeseed Oily is wanted, but the supply continues small, and the rates paid aro for brown 37s 6d, pale 38s to 38s 6d, and foreign 395 to 393 6d. Cocoa Nut is little wanted, still holders are firm; Ceylon is held for 36s to 375, and Cochin 37s to 383 per cwt. Olive is offered at rather lower rates, and only small sales have been made, the stock is also getting upon a larger scale. Gallipoli can be purchased at 49/ to 42/ lOs l y s 'i ti D g V a E i n it T M Triumphant in the I O t h i l e o way ' s Cure f O t i ze d nand Le g of Ten Years' Duration.—Extract of a letter from Mr. Harris, Alne Bill , Alcester, March 14, 1549, to Pro fessor Holloway. Sir: I suffered for upwards of ten years with a bad leg, in which were five running sores, and although I tried various methods of treatment as pre scribed by different medical men, still it got worse. Seeing in the newspapers notices of the cures your va luable medicines have performed, I determined on trying them, and by their use, and the blessing of God, a i?sF: fect cure of my leg w as e ff ecte d s ix months ago. st ld by all druggists, and at P ro f esso r Llolloway's a. o merit, 244, Strand, London. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, April 30. POOR-LAWS (IRELAND). The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said ho had no ob• jection to produce the papers asked for. The time at which the Noble Lord had moved for them was most opportune, and it was quite right that their Lordships should be put in possessio❑ of all existing informatio❑ on the subject, as they would be shortly called upon to decide upon measures brought forward by the Govern ment for the relief of destitution i❑ Ireland. i Lord GOSFORD presented a petition n favour of the Protection to Women Bill. The Bishop of OXFORD presented petitions from several places to the same effect. CRUELTY TO ANIMALS PREVENTION BILL. Their Lordships went into Committee on the Cruelty to Animals Prevention Bill. The Bishop of OXFORD . drew a distinction b e t ween fox-hunting and cock-fighting, in point of cruelty to the animal, and contended that the former was the enjoy ment of animal life. The speed of the animal s , an d t h e dexterity of the riders, constituted a sport of a superior order; and, as such, it ought not to be the subject of re strictive legislation. The Eirl of MINTO said, that the cruelty to the animal itself was the test by which they should try the cruelty of the sport, and therefore he could not see any grounds on which the Right Rev. Prelate (the Bishop of Oxford) could establish his distinction. The several clauses of the Bill were agreed to, after a desultory discussion, with a few verbal amendments. amendments Their Lo rd, hip , s then n resumed, d the i the Bill with its rl4 ord s hi pg v‘ a y d a j s o reported t a Quarter before Eight o'clock. HO USE OF COMMONS, April3o. POOR-LAW (IRELAND)—RATE IN AID. (Continued from our Third Edition of last night.) Mr. P. SCROPE said that he thought security ought to be taken from the unions for any advance that might be made to them, and that the able-bodied paupers should be employed upon the waste lands, which would be applying them to productive labour. By employing them in useful labour, they would have a return for what they might advance to alleviate the distress of the coun try, which would be the true policy to be adopted. Mr. S. CRAWFORD said the money expected to be raised by the rate in aid would not meet the difficulties in the county Mayo, where the people were without clothes, without houses, and without employment, and the best part of the population emigrating from the country. He wanted the public money to be expended on works which would stimulate the employm ent o f the people. He considered the rate in aid unconstitutional, and should oppose it. Mr. GRATTAN said, that be had received letters from Ireland, informing him that distress was sp rea di ng in all di rect i ons. It was not a minister they wanted in Ireland, but a baker, or an undertaker. There were six teen millions of quarters of corn grown in Ireland last year, according to the report of Captain Larkin. If