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to protect his sacred person. ne would like to know what the seven wise men of the City, who advised ber Majesty , not to come, now thought of the scene of Wednesday last. The seven individuals would in future deserve the 4ppellation of the City Sapients. He had, in cised, no doubt but those individuals, had their counsels been followed, would have introduced the military into the City ; and then, indeed, he verily believed, the horrid scenes which took place at Manchester would have been re-acted in London. These persons and his Majesty's Niulo-tti were the real Radicals ; by their mea suret th-ey had brought the country into a situa tiOn in -which, if they remained in power, we Y.tlust have a Military Despotism or a Rcvo igion ;'and - in the present state of the Coun try the first was impossible; the People were te4 enlightened to suffer a Military Despotism; the result of such an attempt wonld, as had been It!? case with Spain, Portugal, and Naples, be a revolution. In adopting the course which he pow recommended, he was acting as the best lrietld of the Crown, by advising his Majesty to avoid this evil. • Ile again called on the Court to go up to' his . Majesty, and by their interposition o.ause truth to reach the Royal ear. lie con chided by moving a Resolution, stating it to be the opinion of the Court, " That an humble Ad dress and Petition should be presented to his Majesty, praying him to dismiss his present Ministers, who, by their recent proceedings against the Queen, had rendered themselves un w2rthy her confidence, and whose acts had been such as were only calculated to injure the country." Mr. TAYLOR rose to second the motion, and In doing this the able speech of the Alder man would render it unnecessary for him to do more than express his own individual opinion as to the conduct of the present Ministers. Their foreign-policy, he contended, had been injurious to the best interests of the country. Years ago a hope of liberal and just Governments had been 'l)eld out to all the Foreign States, but in almost every instance the hope. thus held out to the I:Yeopie had been deceived, and despotic measures had, birctiu adopted and sanctioned privately, if not publicly, by the Ministers of this country. He denied the assertion that a majority of the population of this country were unjustly dissatis iiod with the form of Government in this country. It was a libel on the people to-say so, and was a -do!,:trine held only to serve the purposes of the present ,Ministers, who agreed in nothing except in a determination to keep their places. Ile con tended that the measures adopted by these men 'were destructive of the best interests of the coun try, and had an effect even in the administration of euel ice, at least so it appeared to him when he re flected on the recent occurrences in our Law Courts, the packing of J uries, the severe sentences passed on the persons convicted, the lining persons whilst making their defences, and other circumstances ; tio:d the whole Was • crowned by the recent pro ceeding against her Majesty. If the proceed jags against the Queen were just, they must be central, and must operate alike against all krinces and Peers. It did not signify - whether awes were true or false. - The Government Must attend to the most obscene investigations, -and who could say where the limit should be drawn ? It was well known, that all our Princes had, at timer, been made the subjects of reports, and even our amiable Princesses had not escaped the bxeath of scandal. He could conceive no coarse so injurious to Royalty as that lately par tined by the Ministers, who had inundated the .country with immorality and indecency, and been more mischievous than all the atheistical or deistical publications which had deluged the publ c press for the last three or four years. Mr. Alderman C. SMITH did not rise to oppose the Resolution, but to complain that it did not go far enough.—(Loud cries of Hear, hear I) — lie really meant what he said, for he thought if Mi 7 nisters had acted differently the result of the late inquiry would have been different ; but though he had done, with Ministers, he had not done With Ills Most Gracious Sovereign, in whose cause, as long as he lived, he would hold up his hand ; but he would ask, if the present Ministers viers to be dismissed, what was next to be done? The wheels of Government must be kept going ; and if these men were dismissed, tid neWMinisteiS named, they would perhaps in a few days be come equally unpopular. He was desirous that the Petition should contain a list of names of those individuals from whom his Majesty should select .a new Administration. If this alteration or addition was made, he would SUpport the Motion. Mr. Jupe said, the Court had nothing to 'do with who succeeded the present Ministers . if they, Were dismissed. In the - ranks of ~OPpositinn there were many men capable or conducting . the machine of Government.' One thing they might, be certain of—that was, they could pot get worse than the present, and might . get bOter there, fore they were in no danger frOrn Change.- - -; As to the change recommended' by the ,Worthy Alderman, there were such' persons a's Ultra Royalists. He had read somewhere that wor4s. rzre feminine and actions masculine. He Would say', let us see men's actions, and then he would say who were loyalmen acid who were not. The worthy Gentleman then contended, that the doc, trine of the " King can do no wrong" was a constitutional doctrine, when properly applied. He was of the same opinion with 'the worthy Mover of the Resolution, that things p could n o t continue in their present situation. This was' a tenth, however, which would only, reach ,the' Koval ear through the 'Petitions of the POple, which' was a course that ought to be perse vered in. ' Mr. PATTEN was also in favnur of the motion. Ife thought no man should accept office wh9 1-, wild not ledge himself to slip port Reform. Mr. BROWNE supported the Resolution,thaugh L differed with many Gentlemen as to the d,oc trines they had broactied that day. lie thought that the country. was much indebted to the vigour of his Majosty's Councils during the war. But their late conduct .was trifling and inde'eent with re_ spect to the dignity of the Crown and the inte rests of the nation. It was impossible either to defend or extenuate their conduct with respect to the Queen. The Worthy Member here allud ed in terms of strong censure to an article which appeared in The New Times, under the signature of Amicus Curia, in which it was'attempted to be shewu'that that Court had-end'eavoured.to exte nuate The %ices of;whoredom and adultery. He might appeal to any person who heard hirn,whether such a conclusion could be drawn from any thing which had passed within their walls—(" Cries of No, no!")—He would tell the Editor of The New Times, that he held the crime of adultery,whether in a Queen _or in a King—(llear, hear!)—to be a crying sin against the laws of God and of so ciety. [Hear, hear, hear !] It was the duty of Ministers, after their defeat, to have made every reparation in their power to the Queen. They should not have allowed Parliament to separate without providing a suitable provision and a Royal Palace for her Majesty. The Worthy Gentleman, after a variety of comments on the evidence given in support of the Bill, observed, that it was impossible for any honest Jury to pronounce a verdict of guilty upon it. .Mr. CROOKE said, that Ministers had acted so as to degrade the Throne, and irritate the people. it was .impossible that those men who had advised his Majesty to thank the persons who had shed the blood of his subjects, could be deserving of the confidence of the country. The splendid procession of last .Wednesday would be long remembered -in this country. He had only one thing to regret on that day. It was with re gret and astonishment that he saw so high an au thority as the Canon of St. Paul's_act the part he did on that occasion. That Reverend Gentle man,- dressed iii his canonicals, was seen - beating the desk with his trenchered cap, as if he were in the commonest debating society—(Hear, hear !). Here a MEMBER rose to order. Mr. CROOKE said he was not to be interrupted. He would repeat, that the conduct of that Hey. Gentleman was most disorderly and most dis. graceful.—(Hear, hear!) Mr. S. DixoN differed with the mover and se conder of the Resolution. He thought, from the reports which had- gone abroad respecting her Majesty, that Ministers had no other course to follow than that which they bad adopted. If it were not for the firmness of the •present Ministry this country would not be now in existence. He was sorry to have heard the language which had been uttered that day—it was revolutionary—it expressed the wishes of the individual.—(Cries of is Order, order !") - The LORD MA rcia begged that (gentlemen would confine themselves strictly to the question, without throughing ant Any personal reflections. Mr. S. Drxos 'said, that if any thing could promote a revolution, it was the language which had been uttered that day. 'With respect to the case of the .Queen, all that could be said about it was, that the charge was not proven, Ile then prOceeded to defend the conduct of the CC seven MagiStrates" alluded to by Alderman Waithman, and in conclusion -observed, that it was unjust and absurd to impute the sufferings of the coun try to the conduct of Ministers. The necessity of additional - taxes was occasioned - by .the neces sity of making good the engagements of Govern ment to the public creditor. Ministers would most gladly relieve the distresses of the country, if they could do so. Mr. OLDHAM observed, that the evidence brought forward in support of the Bill against the Queen was defective in every sense of the word.. No man could pronounce a verdict of guilty on such evidence—no man could believe it. Mr. Alderman SCIJOLEY opposed the motion. lie considered, that the present Ministers were as respectable as any- Ministers he had known in office since the American war. Mr. FAvELL congratulated the Court on seeing the lion. Alderman moving this question, because it Was a proof that gold chains and scarlet gowns did not send a man to. the hospital of incurables. lie trusted the Court was about to give a bright example to the country., as they ,were the only. Body .Deliberative that could convey their opi nions to the_ ear of the Crown .until the f23d of next January. The Ministers must now hold up. their hands at the bar of public justice, and God send them a good deliverance! lie felt that, on this occasion, he was .as much supporting thetcrown and die Molvtrchy as his father did in 1745, when. buckling oh his armour to fight for George 11. against.the Stuarts. The other day he found, by.accident, the motto of the colours un der which his lather 'Was to fight was "Pro Rege et if Revolution meant only the Overthrow of-Monardly, and.' the establishment of Republicanism, he did net think that the King could have better Ministers about him to promote that object. When he was- last year in Ireland 'with .the. Lord Mayor; he heard It 'generally re ported that one of. the fling's principal Ministers was, originally an United Irishman. ills object. was . to procure retrenchment, economy, and re form. Instead of taking Mr. F_ox's advice, that the grievances of the. people- ought. to be listened to, ; in order to see if they,could not be redresSed,. a nuolber of restrictive laWs,-had been passed, in order to stifle the complaints of the people...-The events of last Wednesday would , shoW filitt the Citizens. of London knew: how ,to preserve the peace better than all . the troops in the country.. lie blamed the Resolutions of the Aldermen, as being. more .likely to have produced .riot., if the Queen had abstained from going to St. Paul's, because such a measurn would have disappointed a mostinnnense multitilik. . . Mr. CLARAE.said, he would ,support the Re solution; he, was, however, of opinion. that the conduct Of. his .Majesty's Ministers during the war was ,wise and energetic, and that the, con clusion of that war was glorious as well as hene ficia4 to Vie country. Since the peace, however, they had shewn a want of wisdom and of conci liation. fie was not for condemning Ministers, altogether, and he would' therefore move that the word - only should lie deft out .of the Resolution, Mr. DixoN----" And only that word?' Mr. CLARIiE" That is all." Mr. T. N. WILLIAMS thought the present Mi nisters had not had fair play; and he was also of opinion that there was a great deal of dissatisfac tion in the country.—(llear, hear !)—Could any man doubt, that if the five Bills had not pass ed (which were now so much complained of), a revolution would have taken place ? Ile could not suppose that theiord Chancellor, after having risen to the highest offices, and made a spleodid fortune, would wish to lose the good opinion of the country. Were they to say that the Mini sters should be all put out at once ? He regretted that the worthy Gentleman, being Sheriff, should have brought forward this measure, and, by so doing, mix his official situation with politics. Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAN replied at consi derable length, after which the Court divided. Fur the Inution— O. Aldermen. 89 Commoners. 2 Tellers. Against it— Alderman. 29 emn um/nem 2 Telleis. ajority -5c2 in favour of the Motion Several lembers had previously left the Court, under an impression that no division was to take place. Some discussion took place with closed doors after the division, when it was refefred to a Ward Committee to prepare a Petition to the King, to he laid before the next Court, which is to he held on Thursday next The Court ad journed at half-past five o'clock. ERRATA.—In the Leading Article of Yesterday, instet,d of " The Nleeiing at Birming4am," read Lichfield ; and at the end of the Account of the Meeting., fur "Birmingham and Shelfidd Lin - cuticle," read Lichfield, PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. Bank Stock per Cent. Red 69 3 per Cent. eons 698 3i per Cent. .7 8 44)er Cents 36A/ per Ct. Navy Ann. Bank Long Ann,l7 13-16ths India Bonds Ex.l3ills, 9d ls. 2s. pr. Cons. for Account 701 70 70i HIGH WATER AT LONDE' Nloraing, 0 winatts after 0. ')N BRIDGE TO-MORROW. I Evening, lb minutes atter 0 THE SUN. SOLEM QUIS DICERE FAL81.731 AIIDE4T? LONDON, SATURDAY, DECEMBER 2, 1820. We yesterday observed, with pleasure, that the spirit of loyalty was obviously rising over the clouds of Faction, and that Addresses of respect, allegiance, and attachment to His MAJESTY were coming forward, and might be expected from va rious quarters. The Opposition Writers think proper to represent these testimonies of genuine loyalty, arising from the alarm naturally excited by the daring language and open assaults of Sedition, as the effects of Ministerial artifice.— Nothing can be more absurd than such an assertion. Ministers have too much upon their hands to admit of their engaging in such ma nucevres, and it may fairly be questioned, whe ther, if they were to make any such attempts, they have influence sufficient to render them effectual. That Ministers mean well, We believe, and that there can be no general wish for their removal is evident upon two grounds, first, be cause, by adhering to the manly, judicious, and decisive policy of Mr. PITT, they rescued Europe • from oppression, and preserved their Country from danger. Such signal services must have made a strong impression upon the gratitude and good sense of the People, whatever may . have been the errors of their domestic adininistration. But ano ther strong ground of support which Ministers possess is the difficulty of finding any successors in whom the People can place any confidence.— In fact, the People would foresee nothing but the, ruin of the Constitution, if the conspicuous cha racters among the faction who "oppose Govern ment 'at present could poOibly be admitted into Office and Power. What might be ex pected if Sir ROBERT WiLsomi who violated the laws of France by assisting in the deliverance of a Traitor, were to be Secretary at War, if Sir GERARD NOEL were at the Head of the Home Department, Mr. CAM, HOBIIOLSE Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the other High Offices of the State were distributed • among the WOODS, WOOLE'RS, COBBETTS, PETER MOORFS, &C. SCC. &c., and such would assuredly be the case, if the Leaders of the Party could get into place and power. Adieu then to our Establishment in Church and State ; then • Up Vanity " Down Royal State!. all you sage Counseliurs hence.--• " Now, neighbour coufines, purge you of your scum." A strong hold, then, of the present Ministers is the character of those whoare labouring by all possible * efforts, open and insidious, to succeed them..We see some of the Patrons of the Faction favourin& blasphemy by rewarding its preachers, and others -daily reviling the Members or the Church at Ta vern Meetings. Let us then hope that as soon as th e storms of Faction are blown over, and the minds of the People begin to be settled, after the long agitations which they have endured, that Ministers will direct their attention to such re. forms as the lapse of time may have rendered ne- cessary ; but let us as much as possibl e : ' your to keep those evil spirits from P° lge ol ; would begin at once to pull up the goo d of the Constitution, root and branch, a nds it to the flames of Revolution. We received this morning flip Paris F /4 i Tuesday and Irednekday last. The -l os of Tuesday contains severAhltoval Orcl °ll l appointing to diff e rent Offices in th e 0 household ; the first nominates the C e ' BLACAS, to be first Gentleman of the C I in the room of the Duke de RicirELO v following are Extracts : " PARIS, Nov. 29.—Yesterday the Austrian 0;41 Baron Vincent, presented to the King, at a pris'a te .6 / a Letter from his Sovereign, iu answer to the not' 41 01 the birth of the Duke o f B o u r eeaux. The Amb sda ) , Foreign Ministers paid their respects to the King' 3 o 4 Royal Family. His Majesty transacted bovines' Baron Pasquier, Minister for Foreign Affairs. t i " A Courier, who left Madrid the 19th instant at of has brought intelligence that the M e ng was curial, but his Majesty bad promised to return to Ni t on the 21st, and this announcement had served , i° , gree, to tranquillize the minds of the people. it Orolr at Madrid that tumults, which had produced deP 1 : 10 sequences, had broken vut in some towns of And i , ,4 It is said that two new Ministry's are to be f at s for Education and the other for indirect Taxes. _ll " The 20th inst. an English o ff ice" of Pol l ee af Calais, under an assumed name, and inintediate l Y7 l Boulogne, to provide lodgings, &c: for 32 witne oth a st been examined in the proceedings against th e i 4C I England. The evening preceding, a person from ,cl reagh's office arrived with Barbara Krantz ad bg a d who both set out for Strasbarg; the person who s ec- , l cl them returned to England ; Mademoiselle Do°, the sante day, and was, it is said, to depart for Pefil. FIVE PER CENTS. Monday Tuesday 77 G I " 4 DEFERRED STOCK Monday. Tues ° l . ‘ , Of the 22ti Sept, )1320....93 f. 85 C. 93 f• ",9 " A bcseu RO, Nov. 23.—We have just received WI that immediately after the arrival of a Courier fro o the Count de Bellegarde, Munster a War a nd the Aulic Council, quitted Vienna the I St inst. ° o f to. the Emperor Francis at Troppau. Private lette r 9 latter place, of a very recent date ; are of a nattsfe.t: the friends of peace, as they speak of a report vib i4 l circulation, that conciliatory measures had bee n and that it was probable that war with Naples °' avoided." NAPLES.—Extract of a Letter from s c „ o w ii/, teifigent house in Naples, dated thel6tll'loi it " We are looking with much anxiety to thirec u 'l s iv e rniufttion of the conferences at Troppau. Every present veryquiet here, but our tuarlsets are exceg 4ll4 ) occasioned by our unsettled state, and the un detero lifl o f duct of the Allied Powers towards us. The All. tri' n e is evidently making , a movement, as orders hare beeo to some Neapolitan troops to pass the frontier of occupy part of the Papal territories. This order ) .A 8 1 given in Lonsequence of certain information that" - trians are advancing on Ancona. There is a great speculation here as to the real inotiVe of this ads's ° o . Austrian troops. Some say that they merely intend t `;" the frontier of the Austrian dominion, to preven t i ' ,l ti , volutionary principles which now pervade Naples 0 . o il from gaining ground there, whilst others are of 01° 1 1° o/ it is their intention to march direct upon Naples, an u 0 A ) 1 they possess themselves of it, to retain that possessiOoK space of two years, by which time they hope to 110 1 , f i r the prevalent enthusiasm for revolution.—The ha t " ruination seems by far the snore probable." i BRIGHTON, Nov. 30.—1 t is still when the KING- will be here. Marlb ° row now, from the taking down •of th e 1 1 southern houses, is exhibited in ruin / ' Royal. pleasure grounds are partially - c.O l with rubbish, and constantly annoyed"" passing and re-passing of horses and carts. c t' CLERICAL DELICACY.--111- a Welch cila r ivi long ago, the Clergyman reading the .containing the resurrection of Latarus, of saying, ".by thid time he siinkethi -r " by this time he is in a state .of putrefactil i . i A Lady praised a sermon she had lately j preached ; a Gentleman joined in the eill,.. 1) 11 ) 1 , particularly noticing a flue quotation fron l7 , YEARS :'" I do not recollect any quotati°fief, " a yes, charity never faileth, &c."—" I h i? heard that but in St. PAUL'S Epistles."—." ) :6 very true, but SIIAKSPEARE was the Dr. PARR says, of a certain great ,Laaf , r , is a rash intemperate woman, and, her p ent violence is intolerable."—Query, to what has she carried her attack on the Doctor? Wednesday night, about twelve o'cIoGP I V, Duke of YORK left town for Suffolk.- 00 0 nesday the- Duke of CLARENCE left W i l l i Bagshot, on a visit to the Duchess of Gi' t) l TER. - Yesterday the- Duchess of CLARESC O ` to the King's Palace,- to meet the DUCV KENT, wh, arrived there from Claremont. ger d, Yesterday morning,at seven o'clock, his,' j Highness Prince ESTERHAZY, BCChanPa dCOM ll Pri 'ehi Price Louts LICHTENSTEIN, left os' / j for Sutton, in Surrey, in order to hunt w ith e Earl of DERBY'S' stag hounds. The de er , e started on Sutton Downs, and afforded cellent day's sport ; after which their returned to town, and in the evening Prio c r e l , ' Princess ESTERHAZY gave a dinner to a di party of. distinguished _foreigners, at (,ha house. The dress of her MAJESTY going to St.' 4 . 9 f on 'Wednesday has been misrepresented, stead of white cashmere, as - reported, it if; rich white velvet, lined throughout ivit" hr e! , ermine, faced and cuffs of ermine. On her 'il l were three rows of rich gold em b ro iderf/ 01 1 , frogs, ..tassels, &c. in the centre, and ill ($' each side. . Her head-dress was a rich caP/ r• V ed a toque, in form of a turban, and es' e ip ic' head a veil of English manuf.cture lace, ill / Lion of Brussels. .<' _.~