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-_-- PA ItI,IAIIENT. HOUSE OF 1,011,1Y4, MARcm priTIES ON COALS The Iliyhop of EXETER presented a petition from the In '•rbita:,ta of Exeter, praying for the repeal of I➢sties on Coals ;scl coastwise. MESSAGE FROM 'ME COMMONS. Llro N ILIA: SWI ERSE, 1 , and a Deputation from the Commons, brought up several Private Bills. TREASURV ACCOUNTS. Mr. Adrian , from the Treasury, brought up •ereral A c^ounts, i 1 obedience to orders From their lioraships, and two Annual Accounts, according to Act oi Parliament. -• S'ECRE'T SOCIETIES IN 111 ELA ND. • Lerd BELIJORE preened a petition from the Fr^"rnawis rf Newton Ftewart, in the County of Tyrone, praying that the Act for putting down Secret Societies in Ireland might not extend to them. and that they might enjoy the same privileges ris the Itlason‘ of England. SUI;.VEV OF IRELAND. The Marquess of DOW NSIIIRE, in presenting a Petition from the Town of Wells next the Sea, in Norfolk, praying for the Abolition of Slavery, took that opportunity of addressing► st - few words to their Lordships on a snbjeet. of great import pore eonnected with Ireland. Their Lordships' attention could not, he t.iought, he too often drawn to that country, and ):e would lose no opportunity of bringing it bef ?re them. lie undersood that it was intended to have such a trigonometrical • yervey as had been made of England, extended to Ireland, un der the direction of the Noble Duke at the held of the Ord mance. lie wax folly sensible of the value of this measure, but it would not answer the expectations which existed in Ireland, if some more minute measurement was tot added to the trigo tometrical surreet. What WAR wanted for Ireland, in addition to fixing the latitude and longitude of its diffl:rent Capes and • Headlands, was an ndmeasurement, acre by acre, of all the coun ties, parishes, and town lands in the kingdom. If such an ad measurement were conducted by persons of probity unconnected with Ilea] prejudices or particular places, by persons sent from _England, it would he a great benefit to Ireland ; and if it were trot conducted in this way, it would not answer the purpose Parliament and the Government had in view. To .hew by a single instance the necessity of some measure of this descrip tien, he would mention that the taxes for the repairs of roads, Hid a variety of other taxes, were levied by presentment of the I:rand Juries, according to an acreable assessment, after an old r-enlation called the Key. This was made upwards of 108 years 1 es, and land, which was then of no value, had since been taken ,to cultivation, and was now worth a great deal of money. It was not, however, so assessed, which made many parts, as ressed, pay more than their due share. The Noble Marduis it down by recommending the Government to cause a survey f Ireland to be made which should give the contemn' of every uonty and town land. ABOLITION OF SLAVERY. _ loard PE presented several petitions, praying for - the Abolition of Slavery. The Earl of HA FfESBURY presented petitions from Pool, Kendal, and Middenthorpe, with the same prayer. The Marquis of LA NS DO WN moved, that certain Returns relative to Ireland be printed. Ordered.—And the House adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Several Accom to and other Papers were presented from -different Public Ouices, and ordered to lie on the table CAVAN ELECTION. A Petition was presented, complaining that this had been -an undue election.—Ordered for consideration on the 23d of SA rimoN FISH F: RV. Mr. LlNDSAY.presented a Petition from tits Chamber of Commerce of Forfar against any alteration of the law respect ing the regulation of salmon fishery. In the course of the crening the lion. Gentleman presented a similar Petition from thr Town of Forfar. A similar Petition was presented from no individual hy.Sir R. Pr RGltssow. The Petitions were referred to the Com mittee now sitting ontheyendingltill. DUTIbi ON TIDES. Mr. BIRCH presented a Petition from the Carriers and , Tanners of Nottingham against the Bill for regulating Duties on Hides and Skins. Sevs.ral lAletofiers 7t-Ice Fhortl♦ in support of the Petition, which was ordered to lie on the table. A similar Petition was presented from Lancaster by Lora x EY, and similarly disposed of. N EGRO SLAVERY. R: , titions azainst Negro Slavery were presented by Sir W. ,LtatoN-, from Hertford; by Lord from I.nnca rt!: by Lord LowTmEn, from Westmorland ; by lir. A sit - 10iRsT; from Leiczster ; by !Jr. Alderman Surr Li, from St. , Albans • by Mr. A xsoN from Norfolk b y Mr. Si es, from anti s everal other parts of Yorkshire: by Mr. lirwETT, 1797 a ; by Mr. WHIT3IOIIE. from floss; from Ply ":9"t"• by Sir W. CoNcnEvE ' • and from Stafford, by Sir ./ o WitOTTESLEY ; and were ordered to lie on the table p.7: , 1 I,rint-2(1. WOOL, DUTY. T,ord lafAVT HF.R presented a Petition from Kendal against th e repeal of the Wool nuty_OrclerNl to lie on the table. SINKING . FIJNI). • Mr. IMBEIOUSE presented a Petition from several inha bitants of Westminster, complaining that the Taxes exceeded t;l2..c urre nt expenditure. It of course was the-efore levelled ogOnst the Sinking Fund.. The Hon. Member spoke at some ler.gih in support of the petition, contending that the Sinking Ft;vl was a fallity. The petition also complained of the large expenct. a • tterrino . i the Government of Ireland ; it was an ex pence exceeding by 4,090,0901. the amoLnt of the income of that country: lie knew that many individuals denied that the I: „L rings of t h e people of Ireland were attributable to bad go vernment ; but it was impossible to refer perpetual misery from century to century to tiny other cause. The people had been divided from cacti ether throiv, , h the acts of the different Go vcrrunents. The Hon. Member expressed his hope that Mini sters would no longer persevere in the present system as to that ,cons try. Mr. ROBERTSON opposed the sentiments of the petition, and declared his approbation of the Sinking Fund. Air. HUME supported the petition, and observed that the whole of what was called a sinking fund was a delusion. No coo ntry—not even China or Japan—was,. in his opinion, worse governed than Ireland, the Government- of which was justly complained of by the petitioners. The curfew, so much com plained of in former times, was perpetual in Ireland. Mr. JOHN SMITH said that the people of Ireland were unabl e to pay any more towards the expences of their Govern ment than they did now, and this being clearly understood, in quiry into the cause of the additional expenditure became ne cev,ary. Ile did not, however, concur in what had been said by th? lion. Member for Aberdeen respecting the sinking fund. Sir JOHN NEWPORT said that Ireland did not pay the amount of the expenditure solely on account of its inability ; and, be ,firmly believed that that inability bad been caused, by crii , .aovernment for centuries. The petition was ordered to lie on the table; and after a few words from Mr. Honnousr, was ordered to be printed. EXCISE LICENSES. Mr. I.A WI.EY presented a petidon from Birmingham against the Duty on Fxcise Licenses. Mr. BERNAL supported the petition ; and, in answer to a question from i:irn, The CHANCELLPII.,of the EXCHEQUER said that he l opcd he should be ail to propose something on the subject. —( Hear, hear !) The petition W 3% ordered to be printed. IMPORTS AND EXPORTS. N-. F LEWIS moved for several Returns relating to the ilmports and Exports under the Commercial Regulations.— Ottlered. - On the mo:lon of Sir ROBERT Wlt.sol4r, a New Writ was orlered for the County of Leitrim, in the room of LU E WIT :z E, Esq. deceased. HOUSE TAX. _ . . Mr. WESTERN moved for several Returns relating to A sgessments under the House Tax.—Ordered. Mr. BIRCH presented a petition from the Silk 'Manufac turers of Nottingham, against the Repeal of the Silk Duty.— The Hon. Member, however, expressed himself satisfied with the present Regulations.—The petition was ordered to lie on the table. ASSESSED TAXES. Sir - THOMAS LETHBRIDGE presented a petition from Sornersetshire, praying for the repeal of nil the Assesed Taxes. —The Petitioners expressed their bitter disappointment a:: the Resolutions proposed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer ; and hoped that he would still find it was not absolutely 'neces sary for him to persist in them.—the petition was ordered to lie oil the table. LAW STAMP DUTIES. Lord A. HAMILTON put a question to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, hut in so low a tone of voice that its pur port could only be gathered from the Right Hon. Gentle man's reply. The CHANCE:M..OR of the EXCHEQUER said, that his plan was an extremely simple one. Ile proposed to repeal the starrin.dutics on law proceedings in the Courts of England, Scotland, and inland. These were all contained in the schedule to the Consolidated Stamp Duties Acts. He intended to.sub tO a Committee of the Rouse a resolution that these duties s!loulci ceaFe otter a rertnin reriod. and lie FL•ouid take ca•re to be diet, prorided with a rroiwr sehecittli.. SILK 1)17I'IES. Sir THOMAS LE TIT I;4IDGE presented a petition from Somersetshire, against the repeal ofibe Silk Duties, but ex pressed a hope thst the potitioners would he satisfied with the proposed regulations. lie 'wished to know from the • Chanc'el- Int of the Exchequer. irhether any and what towns had been fixed upon, as the places at which the 'officers of the Revenue would adjust. the allowances to be made. for the stocks in hand. The CHANCEL:4/R of_the EXCHEQUER said, that proper officers would be appointed at all the sea-ports, and all the towns generally understood to be connected with the Silk Trade ; but that no inconvenience should- be suffered by any particular town, if it could fairly come within such a de scription. _ _ ELLICE begged to know whether, with regard to the proposed allowance, silk in a dying state would be cor.aidered as raw or manufactured. The CHA NCEI,I,OII. of the EXCHEQUER said it would be cnn•idered as manufactured. The petition wai, oiAercd to lie on the table. COAL DUTY. Mr. WODEHOUSE presented three petitions from Nor folk, against the Duty on Coals.—Ordered to lie on the table. NEGRO SLAVERY. Sir J. NEWPOIa • presented a petition on a subject, upon which, he believed, there was no difference of opinion—it wak for the Abolition of Negro Slavery, but admitted that such an abolition should he gradtthl. He concurred in opinion with the petitioners, and thought the subject should be approached with caution and delicacy. The petition, which was from Waterford, was ordered to be printed.' Mr. HUM E gave notice the, on Monday, he should move for a Return sheaving the Income of the Stock Purse of the Guards. _ _ _ COMBINATION LAWS. Mr. HUME presented a petition from NO Shoemakers of London against the Combination Laws. Referred to the Com mittee of Artisans ; as was a similar petition presented by umE from Southwark ; one presented by Mr. Nr.w. MAN from Exeter ; . anA another by Sir IL WILSON from the City of London. 1- EXCISE LICENSES. Mr. DENISONp - resented a petition from several Victual lers of Surrey against the Excise License Duty.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. S. WORTLEY presented a petition from Bong'lton, in Yorkshire, at the House and Window Tax.—Ordered to lie on the table. GAME LAWS. 11tr. S. WORTLEY presented a petition from Huddersfield against the Game Laws.—Ordered to he printed. LINEN BOUNTIES. The LORD ADVOCATE presented a petition from St. Andrew's against the Repeal of the Bounty of Linen.—Ordered to on the table. . Colonel TREKCII said he had a motion to submit to the House respecting the Linen Bounties—a motion which he should make principally to call the serious attention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to the subject. lie admitted that these bounties proceeded from a vicious principle, and could not be maintained ; but, as they were now esta blished, he thought the repeal of them should be gradual. Indeed he was convinced that a sudden repeal would be very dangerous to the linen trade. He would submit to the Chan calor of the Exchequer, whether the declaring that they would be repealed in two years would not be a wise course, end fixing on the medium between the mischievous retaining of .hose bounties, and the dangerous repeal of them too sud denly. The Hon. Member then moved for a Return of the quantity of Linen brought to the different markets of the pro vh:ce of Ulster and Connaught, iri Ireland, for the last ten years, with the price per yard. .11r. 13IW1VN LOW thought that considerable advantage would accrue to Ireland if the Chancellor of the Exchequer would postpone his intentions upon this subject. Mt. MA BE I4Y said he was convinced there never was a measure came into that House so little considered as that of taking off the whole of those bounties. The consequence would he, that a vast population both in Ireland and Scotland would be immediately thrown out of employment. He had same Petitions to present on the subject, and should therefore 'say nothing more at present. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the proper time for a discussion of this nature was upon the com. mittal of the Bill, which, however, was not yet brought into the House. He could say nothing upon the subject at present, and thought it very hard that measures not yet before the Ito .u,e should he thus discussed and forestalled in detail. The motion was then agreed to, and the Return ordered. Another Return was ordered on the motion of Col. TRENCH, stating the number of Convictions under the Insurrection Act in Irelr.nd. IRISH BANKERS, &c. Sir 11. PARNELL presented a Petition from certain Mer chants, Bankers, and others of Ireland, for the extension of the Bankrupt haws to Bankers in Ireland. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER admitted that the subject matter of the Petition was worthy of consi deration. Sir JOHN NEWPORT supported the prayer of the Peti tion. It was a great hardship that under the present Banker's Act a banker could not leave a legacy to his daughter if he wished to do so. Mr. If USKISSON presented R Petition from Liverpool, praying for an amendment in the Insolvent Debtors' Act. Mr. MONCK presented a Petition from the Shoemakers of Resfling againet the Combination Laws. _ _ Mr. geci:etary PEEL presented a Petition from the Cotton- Spinners of Tieltast for a reduction of the Duty on Coals. Mr. CAVENDISH presented a Petition from Derby in fa vour of the Abolition of Slavery. Mr. 11. G. BENNET presented a Petition from Brighton against the Combination Laws. — Mr. ABE BCR OM BY presented a Petition from the 31 eyor and Town Council of Iladdington, N. 8., praying fur a revi stun of the laws relating to Salmon Fishery. These Petitions were severally reatl, and ordered to lie on the table. ADJOURNMENT. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the ExcnxQuEß, it was resolved that the House at its rising adjourn to Monday. SLAVE TRADE: Mr. lIIISKISSON, adverting to the notice of the. Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs, relative to the state of the West India Islands, which stood for Tuesday next, gave notice, in the absence of his Right Hon. Friend, that it was his (Mr. Secretary Canning%) intention, at the same time, to move for leave to bring in a Bill to declare the Slave Trade carried on by any of his Majesty's subjects on the high seas, Piracy. FOREIGN SPIRITS. The CHANCEI,LOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order of the Day for the house going into a Committee on the Annual Duties' Bill. Mr. ROBERTSON said, that as there was much interesting business coming on after this, he hoped Gentlemen would not leave the House, as was customary when any thing not gene rally interesting came on, so that what came after was often transacted with diminished Members. Mr. H. G. BENNET remarked upon the multiplicity 6f business on the paper for the evening, which placed the House , in great difficulty ; for it was impossible all could come on, whilst no one knew which subject, in particular, was to occupy the night. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he had selected this particular Bill, because the duties to which it re ferred expired on the 24th of March. He should, then, be anxious to get to the Committee of Supply, when whatever Estimates were most pressing might be brought forward. He believed the lion. Member for Corfu Castle was anxious to have his motion relative to the British Museum disposed of. Mr. HUME wished that so distracting a cour;e were not adopted as to put down so many important subjects for one night. Ile had, for instance. no less than five large bundles of papers, all upon different subjects—one relating to Civil Con tingencies—another Commissariat, and another again relative to the Miscellaneous Estimates. He hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer would say which of these various matters he intended to proceed with, for it was impossible justice could otherwise be done. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, beyond what he had already stated, be was really indifferent to the order in which business should proceed, and if the Honourable Member for Aberdeen would tell him which of his five bundles he gave a preference to, he would agree to go on with that. Air. HUM E thought the Miscellaneous Estimates, which were left unfinished, ought to have the preference. ANNUAL DUTIES. The House having resolved itself into a Committee on the Annual Duties' Bill, CoIoneLDAVIES rose to move an amendment on the duties on Foreign Spirits which was imposed by this bill. This was duty, he observed, which affected a large portion of the I elple in various ways, and was besides a part of a system which was highly odious. The evils of the present fiscal system were such as led to the greatest irregularities, including perjury, and even murder. These arose from the temptation which the high duties on foreign spirits offered tosmuggling, and evasion. The ,effect of lowering these high duties would then have the beneficial tendency to abolish smuggling. Nor would it be merely •to the persons actually engaged in the nefarious traffic that its benefit would extend. The peasantry at large would be affected by it; for it was impossible to say - to what exten sive ramifications the evasion of the revenue-laws was carried. It could be proved by a reference to the returns for the differ. ent periods marked by a fluctuation in the duty on spirits that I the revenue received mere when it was low, than at other times. In the year 1815, the duty was reduced, when an in creased importation followed, yielding a revenue of 815,000/. —Yet this was not above one-half of the revenue collected on article in 1806, when the duty wax only 12s. But it was not in this alone that such an effect was visible. It was the same in wine. Mr. Thornton, an eminent wine merchant, had given evidence before the Committee of Foreign Trade, that in con sequence of the high duties on French wines and spirits, he had transferred the whole of his Colonial business from this country to the country where the article itself was produced. —The same results would he found in coffee and tea, and indeed in all the productions whatsoever, where over taxation prevailed. The cost of collection too was greater in proportion to the amount. He wished to see the duties brought down to the standard of 1806. At present it was his intention to move that the duties on brandy be reduced Is. 10d. from its present amount. The CHANCELLOR of the . EXCHEQUER said, that the Bill betore the House was to continue another Bill for twelve months, neither of which stated the specific amount of the duty. Ile did not therefore see how the Honourable Gentleman's motion could apply to the present business before the House; nor slid he see how he could help him to attain his own object. Ile was willing to admit that the duty on brandy was too high, but this was not the moment to reduce it. It could not be done without reducing the duty on English spirits. Ile might be told, in answer, that it was impossible to do a better thing ; and that might be true, but it was a large ques. tion, which it was better not hastily to touch, involving, as it did, so large a receipt of the revenue. A high duty upon spirits was per se good, and for many weighty moral considerations it ought not to be reduced too low. As to the amount of the Hon. Member's reduction, one shilling and tenpence, it was too small to have the effect of removing the temptation of the smuggler. It would go into the pocket of the merchant, but would be little f e lt by the consumer. It appeared therefore, to him, that not on ly was the mode in which the lion. 'Member proposed to execute his purpose w as i nconven i ent, b ut that it would not answer his end it it s uccee d e d . If i t were p oss ible to go beyond the proposed reducti ons o f taxes, h e con f ess ed he would rather relieve the articles of tea and tobacco, which might he called the luxuries of the poor, from some part of their burden. He heel, 'therefore, so many objections to the motion of the Hon. Member that he could do no otherwise than oppose it. Mr. HUME thought that the Chancellor of the Exchequer, upon his own principle, instead of m a king a partial r e p ea l, ought to make a general repeal of the duty on Spirits. The British spirit trade was worse managed than any other branch of national industry—it was completely in the bands of a mo nopoly ; and if the Chancellor of the Exchequer would not be afraid of the great distillers, who really seemed to press upon all the measures of Government like a night-mare, he would find no difficulty in disposing of the question. By a late measure of Government, the stnuggling from Holland had, indeed, been put a stop to, but it was carried on with more activity than ever between Scotland and England, and Ireland and England.. Why should not whisky be allowed to come from Scotland to England ? and what was the consequence ? As he had told them last year, he had smuggled whiskey in his cellars ; and he said openly he would break the laws when they were so absurd—they might catch him if they could.—. (Hear, and a laugh.)—lt was a notorious fact, that the difficulty of getting spirits created the appetite for it. With regard to the motion of his lion. Friend, lie thought he did not go far enough ; but as the Chancellor of the Exchequer agreed with him in principle, probably he might think it necessary to press it. Cul. DAVIES said a few words in reply. Under the cir cumstances lie should not press his motion, and was willing to withe raw it. G. BENNET supported the motion. If the duty on spirits were reduced to its proper level, there would be little or no abuse in the consumption of it. Mr. KENNEDY bore testimony to the value of the mea sure relating to the Distillery Laws, passed last Session. He thought, however, whiskey ought to be allowed in England; the consequence of it not being so was, that a great number of large works were lying idle in Scotland. The usual resolutions of the Committee were then read and agreed to; the House resumed, and the report was ordered to be received on 3londay next. CIVIL CONTINGENCIES. The House having resolved itself into a Committee of Supply, Mr. LUSH INGTON moved that 100,0001. be granted to his Majesty in part, to meet the Civil Contingencies for the i occasion year 1324. He obs e rv e d t h at h e p ropose d t hi s vote i n p ar t, thinking it a More convenient Course for the House. l e t xp i r i e s s iten s M ed a t The Resolution Was th e n agree d to . The Mr. fi n et,73,lltEessoalittlit,ioiniewil on a 3,2871. for former 3,207. the Civil Eab of the Bahama Islands. wish that some means might be devised, by which the charges of these establishments should be defrayedr out of the revenues of the respective Colonies. He was not, however, aware whe ther this Colony ridded any revenue. Mr. Wlmu ur no 4 TON observed (as we understood) that the time might coine when this arrangetnent might be effected. At present did not see how it could be done. After a few words 1 . 1.01 11 Mr. W. HORTON and Mr. III:24E, the Resolution was carried. The next grant was 60 0/. to defray the 'Civil Establishment of the Island of Dominica. Mr. 11U3IE said he should be glad to know whether the Isle of St. Dominica were dot capable of paying this 6001. for itself. Mr. W. HORTON r eferred the Hon. Gentleman to a Paper laid before the 116ttse- 00 the subject of the Colonies in 1321, which explained the ground s for exempting the island from this charge. If the lion. , Gentleman were not satisfied with that stat e m e nt, lie ha" nothin— g new to offer. Ile put it to the House if it would be well to leave the island without a Chief Justice, whose salary this was to pay. Mr. lIUME did not wish the island to be left without a Chief Justice, but thought th e expence ought not to fall on this country. The MA NCELLOR or the EXCHEQUER described the Island of Dominica to be one of the most distressed spots in the West Indies. It hadb een repeatedly visited by hurricanes,l which had swept away its whole produce; many parts of it were very sterile, and it vote altogether so circumstanced that he thought it ought to be Considered the difficulties with which it had to struggle were such as to constitute an exception in its favoer from the general s y s tem acted upon in the West Indies. The Resolution was then agreed to. Mr. LUSHINGTON next moved the following Grant, which he stated to be 4,0001. less than the one voted for a like purpose last year, 8,2291. to defray the charges of the Civil Establishment of Upper Canada. Mr. HUME thought it unfai r to tax the people of England not only to pay for the military defence of Upper Canada, but also to meet the charges for its Civil Establishment. If the Civil Establishment were useful to the Colony, the expence ought to be borne by the Inhabit ants ; an d if not us eful, let it be dispen s ed with. Why should we pay for the Sheriffs of Canada, the Clerk of the ,Council, the Surveyor of the Lands, and other officers that had nothin g to do that concerned this country ? Some of the lands might be sold to cover this expence. If the lands were not for sale, what occasion was there for a surveyor ? Then there was a naval officer from whom one hundred pounds was charged. The peo ple of England ought not to pay a naval officer in that Co lony any more than for one in Ceylon and Calcutta. Then there was a second Surveyor. One was requited for past ser vices, another for what he was now doing, but the people of this country had nothing to do with either. There was also an agent charged, and to this he objected. The Canadas could pay their own expences, but would not while England was foolish enough to do it for them._. Mr. W. HORTON remarked, the Hon. Gentleman had spoken as if the Colony of Upper Canada was so prosperous as to require no aid from the Mother Country ; such was by no means the case. Till 11110 the whole of her expences had been defrayed by this country, and though now in a state of progres sive improvement, it could bear no more than had already been put upon her. The total expence of the colony was 30,0001. of which she herself bore 20,0001. When it had been proposed to unite Upper and Lower Canada, with a view to diminish the charge, the lion. Gentleman had been the first to oppose the plan. For the Sale of the Lands, though they might become hereafter extremely valuable, they had no pecuniary value at present, and being granted to individuals who were to bring it into cultivation it could not be offered for sale. The question read before the Committee was simply whether 10,000/. was too much to be granted by the mother country to a colony as yet but in its infancy? Agreeing in principle with the lion. Gen tleman, that the first proper opportunity ought to be taken for removing the charge in question from this Country to the Co lony, he contended it would be unfair, and unsound in prin ciple, at once to withdraw the support hitherto granted ; the charge, however, was in the course of gradual reduction, and he confidently anticipated would, at no distant period, cease al together, from the revenues of the Colony becoming equal to its expenditure. Mr. BENNET thought the people of this country had no right to bear the charge in question, and thought the principle now admitted might be acted upon to burthen their grand-chil dren on the same account. Mr. W. HORTON thought the Hon. Gentleman had for gotten the charges to which Canada had been subjected by the late war with the United States. Canada had paid 50,0001. in consequence of that contest. As to the expence here com plained of being thrown on their grand-children, he begged to say he looked forward to nothing of the kind, but considered it certain, that in the course of a very few years Upper Canada wauld cease to require such assistance. Mr. BRIGHT defended the policy of the grant, and set forth the importance of bringing forward Upper Canada, by encouraging and doing as much good for its population as was possible. Mr. HUME said, if he were able he would advise that the Canada% should be enabled to become independent of this country in the course of ten years, with a Government and ConstitUtion of its own,, that we might not hereafter be in volved in a war for its defence. He was surprised to hear the opposition which he had off4ed to the union of the two Ca nadas thrown at him, as the Honourable Member must know that what he had opposed was an attempt on the part of the Honourable Gentleman, or on that of his Majesty's Go vernment at least, to cheat the Canadas out of their Constitu tion. lie doubted whether this country derived any advan tages from those Colonies. We paid twice as much to them for bad timber as would suffice to purchase good any where else. In this and in various ways it was injurious to us. Ile did not talk of im.. ediate separation; but this he maintained, that if we refused to support them with the grant now required, the people of Canada would either find the means of defraying those charges which we were called upon to meet, or they would dispense with useless officers, so as to reduce their esta blishment. Dr. LUSHINGTON rose to state the reasons why he could not vote with his Hon. Friend the Member for Aberdeen.— He proceeded to describe the miserable state to which Canada had formerly been with respect to the administration of justice, and thence inferred the importance of granting that aid to them which was contemplated by the present vote. Mr. HUME offered a few further remarks; after which the resolution was agreed to. The next vote proposed was 9,1971. to defray the charges of the Civil Establishment of Nova Scotia. • Mr. BENNET objected to the amount of the grant. Mr. W. HORTON defended it, and contended it could not now be reduced without great injury to the Colony. Mr. HUME considered Nova Scotia must be able to bear the charge for itself. He wished to know if it were not so, and what the imports and exports of that colony were. Mr. W. HORTON said, the exports to Nova Scotia were— In 1821 - - - - - £31,228 In 1822 . - 31.032 In 1823 - The exports to Nova Scotia from Great Britain and Ireland were— In 1021 - - - £155.159 In 11322 - - 128,856 In 1823 . - - . 153,281 He had no doubt that this vote might be diminished at no dis tant period, but maintained that to reduce it at this moment would be unfair and injurious. Mr. HUME did not wish to urge a willing horse too far.--- He was glad to find . a disposition to attempt reduction ere long, hut thought it partial and unjust to tax the West India Colonies, that Nova Scotia might be spared, and to tax the people of this country tbr the same object. The resolution was ap,reed to. The next resolution was 5,1941. to defray the charges of the Civil Establishment of New Brunswick. Mr. HUME stated a memorial to have been received from this colony in 18111, offering to bear this expence themselves, provided they might be allowed to manage their own custom house, and have the appointment of their own customs'.officers. This had not been attended to. He thought the colony ought to be allowed to do what they had proposed to do, and thus re lieve the country from the expence now thrown upon it. Mr. W. HORTON replied in a low tone, and was under stood to say, that that which the Ilon. Member had recom mended was intended to be done. Mr. lIUME expressed satisfaction at what had just been stated, but was surprised the memorial had not been attended to before. The Resolution was agreed to. The next votes were, 3,3181. to defray the charges of the Civil Establishment of Prince Edward's Island t 15,2941. to defray the charges of the Civil Establishment of New South Wales. _ _ ewm e a r t e l lverally agreed to. moat t he p , which were for the The next Grant proposed was— art £22,594, to defray the charges of the Civil Establishment of inaudible Resolutions,irl a t f h t e er G a al f l e e w ry r , Sierra Leone. Mr. HUME wished to know if any inquiry had been made as to what benefit had been derived from this establishment, and whether there were any reports to thew that its utility was Commensurate with the expence and loss of lives attendant upon it. Mr. W. HORTON said, the occasion was not a proper ore for opening the wide discussion relative to the Slave Trade, which was m i xe d up with the vote. As to the establishment, considered exclusively as such, no practical vote could now be come to with regard to its continuance. The grant for the pre sent yenr could not be stopped. Mr. HUME wished to know whether there was any informa tion which could be laid before the House, to give them an idea of what was the state and utility of the colony. Mr. W. HORTON had nu doubt that there were such in formation. ..... The next vote proposed was the sum of 4,8311. for the service of Newfoundland, winch, after a few words from Mr. HUME, was agreed to. The next was a sum of 424561. for the civil and military ex. pences of the Gold Coast. Mr. GORDON said that the African Company Forts had been taken under the controul of Government, and he wished to know whether the effect had not been to improve the condi tion of the colony, to. increase its commerce, and to extend education and civilization. Mr. W. HORTON said that the objects of Government had been somewhat obstructed by the Ashantee war, but that the situation of the Colony was greatly improvcd. Mr. H Ulll E saw an item of 1,6001. for the pensions and pay of Slaves. He wished to know how that was applied. Mr. W. HORTON said, when the Government took the African Company's possession into its hands, it was agreed to take their servants, and continue their allowances. The Resolution was agreed to. The next vote wax for a sum of 9,8271. for the expence of the convict's establishments of Bermuda. After a few words, which were generally inaudible, from Mr. G. BENNKT, Mr. DAWSoN, Mr. LOCKHART, and Mr. ChoKER, the vote was carried. A vote was then proposed for granting 150,000/. for the ser vice of New South Wales. Mr. HUME complained of the manner in which the accounts of this Estimate were made up. Mr. W. MORTON said, that the apparent confusion arose from the distance, which obliged them to take votes on credit. The vote was agreed to. The next was a grant of 2,4421. for Colonial Contingencies, formerly charged on the Army Extraordinaries. Mr. HUME said that there were allowances for private Secretaries in some of the Islands, and that the fees and. Colo nial allowances were a sufficient remuneration. Ile should, therefore, like to know what those fees and allowances amount ed to ? Mr. W. lIORTON said that the Private Secretaries of the Governors received no fees; the Colonial allowances were only due to Public Secretaries. After some further conversation between Mr. llume, Mr. Goulburn, Mr. W. Horton, and Mr. G. Bennet. Mr. GOULBURN said that every man who looked into the subject must know that the Governors of the West India Islands were so badly paid as to find a difficulty in making their allowance pay their expences. Mr. HUME repeated his objections, and said that if the Governor of Barbadoes must have a private Secretary, the people of England ought not to be called upon to pay it. He should therefore move a reduction of 1,6221., being the amount of these salaries. The Committee divided, when there appeared— For the Amendment Against it - Majority for the Vote -72 The next vote was a sum of 15,532/, for defraying the ex peaces of the Society for Propagating the Gospel in Upper and Lower Canad . Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Cape of Good Hope, and Prince Edward's Island. Mr. HUMS said that he did not know the increase upon the vote last year was again to be proposed. In 1818 this Society reported that a school had been established in New foundland ; in 1820 there were other reports, stating that books and scholars were also there. But it turned out that there had been neither schools, books, nor scholars. The excuse made by the Society was, that it was a mistake of their Secretary. The whole sum subscribed by the public to this Society was 650/. He thought the House ought not to give 15,0001. a year to be distributed by this Society. There was a Bishop and Clergy in Canada, and why should they not be entrusted with the management of these funds. But the whole military esta blishment of that country was paid by us, and therefore it was not too much to expect that they should pay for their own reli gious instruction. For these reasons, he should move the re duction of the whole vote. Mr. W. HORTON said that the Hon. Member founded his opposition to this Society, upon an act of forgetfulness on the part of their Secretary ; but the subject was one which de served to be considered on large grounds. The Parliament had placed their confidence in this Society for the appropriation of the Funds which they thought it necessary to apply to the purposes of religious instruction. The good which had been done under that arrangement, lie would not cot; to detail, as many Gentlemen in the House were perfectly acquainted with them. He agreed with the Honourable Gentleman, that as far as they were able, the Colonists ought to hear the expence of their moral and religions instruction; but to withhold assiq. a ca n l c c e u u la n b ti e l t n h i e js y c • i w ue e t r . e able to do to, would be productive of 1:0: Mr. HUME m a int a ined th a t th ese people oug h t t o pay ~.. their own religious instruction. Could it be believed, that, , 0 1. Halifax, a large commercial and populous town, tha Pe°P , England had to maintain a Clergyman at an expence of #041•• year. It was time to make a stand ; for what with building_ churches, and demands of this kind, the people would *()" have nothing to do but toil for the Clergy. Mr. BUTTERWORTH made some observations, which were inaudible for the most part. We understood him to 09 ; plain that the co nd uc t o f some o f t h e persons sent ou t by ' Society had been very bad, whilst he admitted that many were most respectable and exce ll ent characters. He stated that the religious and mor a l con di t i on of the population of these cow" vies required the greatest attention. Mr. G. BEN NET contended that a strong ease had bee made out for discontin u i ng th e grant to this Society. Acco rd ' ing to his Hon. F r i e nd, t h ey h a d pu bli shed Reports which were untrue; and the lion. Member for Dover, the highest 8 u" thority upon such su bj ects i n t h at H ouse, had stated t he con duct of some of the persons sent out by them Le he a t r ociousee e . Ile should, therefor e , V o t e f or the suns to be a plied to its 00 1 purpose, but not through the hands of the Society. Mr. BUTTERWORTH explained. He had certainly said that great abuse had marked the conduct of some persons sent out, but he never meant to say that such was the general cha racter of the Society or its agents. Mr. GOULBURN said there was a mistake in suppoiriC that the whole expence of the religious instruction of these Colonies fell upon the mother country. There had been barren tracts of land laid out for the Clergy—(A laugh)—which. $ 4 cultivation extended itself over the face of the country, W ere ,. to be appropriated to that purpose. lie argued in support °' the Society, that it had been selected by the Gorernmert t., manage these funds in con sequence o f the difficulties wiiie n arose front entrusting it to the resident authorities. Mr. C. WILSON supported the vote. Mr. MONCK opposed it. Sir M. W. RIDLEY asked whether the grant was to pro" mote the objects of the Established Church. if it were not* it ought to be opposed. Mr. LUSH INGTON said it was. . . . - Si: T. ACLAND observed that the Society was not tvl" known. It had been chartered since the time of King Wihisro• The House by refusal to vote the sum proposed would act with injustice towards those who were doing the business of the church beyond the Atlantic. Those persons had gone out in the expectation of remuneration. The charges which had been made ought to be the ground of a specific motion. Lord ALTHORY said, he should prefer seeing the grac t placed in the hands of persons on spot, who might give it W the Society. Mr. BUTTEItWORTH wished the sum increased. 0 expressed surprise at the doubts expressed by the Honourable Baronet. He had certain resolutions, passed by, constituent s of the lion. Baronet at Newcastle ; in those resolutions the sentiments differed from those of the Hon. Baronet.—(Cries O f read, read !) - • Sir M. W. RIDLEY explained. He had seen the resold: tions to which the lion. Member alluded, and they were passed by so small a number of his constituents, that he would rather leave the Hon. Member to read them. - Ile had not impre' perly alluded to an important question. It would have been bad taste had he done so. When that question came before the House- he should express his opinion, but not before. Mr. T. WILSON defended the Clergy of England. lie was quite sure the .;rant was proper. Mr. G. BENNET moved an amendment, to omit the word , " to defray the chargee," thereby leaving the sum to be placed in the hands of Governors, who might give it to the Society. The House divided on the Amendment. For the Resolution - - Kt For the Amendment Majority - - —79 The Estimate was accordingly voted. The sum of 17,4251. was voted for expences in Spain and Portugal, to prevent the illegal traffic in slaves. In support of the Institution of Refuge for the Destitute £5,0 0 ° For defraying the Extraordinary Expences of the Army, in 1824 - 820,0 0 The CHASUMAM then reported progress, the House resumed' and the Report wan ordered to be received on .Monday. The Sc. tch Juries Bill was read a second time, and comma' ted for Friday next. On the motion of Lord ALTflonp the County Court Din went through a Committee,—Report on Tuesday. On the third reading of the Marine Mutiny Bill, Mr. HUNS objected to the infliction of corporal punishment .on the uta tines, but he was not disposed to press any oyposition to the Bill, if it would interfere with the public service. Mr. CItOKER said the old Bill would expire on the 2,5 11 ,, , and therefore it w as necessar y to get t h e new measure pass e'] to the other ll..use without delay, The Bill was then read a third time and passed. CATTi,E ILL TREATMENT BILL. On the order for going into a Committee on the Code 11 : 1 Ma mint Bill, %Ir. Got; Lutnor objected to taking up the time of the House upon the measure. It had been discussed on a former night, and the Attorney-General who oppdsot was not then in the House. . Mr. LAMB to objected to a renewal of the discussion. Mr. R. MARTIN said he only wished to go into a Corn' mines on the Bill to make it please all parties. The House then consented to go into a Committee, and the Report having been received, the Bill was ordered to be read a third time on Monday. Mr. LUSHINGTON brcught in a Bill to repeal certarl Duties' on the importation of Raw Silk, which way read the first time. The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, and the Hou•9s adjourned at TwuLvE o'Ci.ocz. LIST OF THE MINORITY Who rote.t with Mr. Hum: against the Grant of £1,820 fo r the Payment of the Salaries of the Private Secretaries of thl Governors of Barbadoes, St. Kitt's, St. Vincent, Tobsg°' Bermuda, and Prince Edward's Island. Bernal, Ralph Lamb, Hon. G. Colborne, It. Maberly, J. Davies, T. H. Maberly, W. L. Fergusson, SirR.C. Monck, J. B. Guise, Sir 'W. Martin, J. Hume, J. Roberts, A. James, W. Roberts, Colonel TELLER. Lockhart, J. J. R o bi nson , Si r G eo. Bennet, Hon. H. U' Sefton, Earl of Whitbread, S. G• Webb, Col. Wood, Alderman Wrottealey, Sir J• MINORITY Who votel apinst the Vote of £15,1532 to the Bartlett's buildings Society. * Althorp, Vint. *Gordon, R. Robarts, A. W. *Bernal, it. flume, J. Robarts, (3. J. "Benett, J. James, M r . Sykes, D. Colburn e , N. W. *Kennedy, T. F. Sefton, Earl of Calvert, C. Lamb, Hon. G. Wood, AI. Davies, Colonel Martin, J. Wilson, Sir It. Fergusson, SirR.C. Moberly, W. L. Wlitbread, S. C. Gurney, R. H. Monck, J. B. TELLER. Guise, Sir W. *Rice, T. S. B ennet, Hon. H-v• The eighteen without • to their names divided afterwards against the vote altogether. DARING ROBREIty AND A SSAUF.T. , --A dar: ll Z robbery, attended with circumstances - of uncommon atrocitf• was committed on Monday night at the Newton turnpike house, near Wakefield. Edward Ellis, the barJ:eeper, had re tired to rest, and his wife was preparing to do the same shortly after the mail had passed, when there was a knocking at door ; she went to open it, and four men then rushed in, 10c . 4- ing the door after them : suspecting their design, she cried out. for help to her husband, who rose up in his bed, from wiser he was instantly dragged into the middle of the floor' and trampled upon and kicked with the most fut:intl., bar barity ; his wife also was knocked down, but saved hersel f from further ill-treatment by declaring where their l ropertf was deposited ; the villains then proceeded to recur= it, and t° pillage the house. This happened a b out h a lf- past nine, aa," soon after a person on the road, who had heard the wornal, 4 screams at a distance, came up to the door of the hou s e, a nd as k; ed what was the matter, and if they were comniting murder On this the ruffians came out, and w:.lk-d leisurely avnlY towards Wakefield, by the Fit. John's-mad the alarm w° now given, and they were pursued, b u t un f ortunate l y Win t. out • success. Mr. Horsefall, a surgeon of Wakefield, arh`:, visited the poor man and his wife about ten that night, reFol'' the injuries received by the woman to be trifling, but those of the man suds as to rend er hi s case d angerous . Hi s hea_` , is much swelle 1, the l e ft s id e o f th e f ore h ea d muc h . b r ui se d and cut ; the skull laid b a r e f or a b ou t an i nc h ov er w e left eye, but there does not appear to be any fracture many bruises on the stomach, and two ribs on the right side broken. Three men were yesterday taken up on auspici°°' but the poor people do not appear able to recognize them. -- The villains were all young men, had on dark colour ed jackets, two of them rather taller than the others, a all appeared to be persons em pl o y e d on t urn pik e . : .. a da and ca nals. The property stolen consists of half a dozen silver tea spoons, marked M. E. 1., a pair of silver plated augar-ter. l o l, a gold breast-pin, a silver watch, maker's name Trentilanit Liverpool, a gold wedding ring, aboat fifteen pounds in silv.e r .5 (ten pounds of which was i n h a lf- crowns), two pravinc_;': five pound notes, one o f w hi c h i s a B arns l ey b an k n o t e , an d quantity of one pound and one guinea provincial bank notes, amounting altogether, in money, to nearly BKIK—( Leeds I °7 taigencer. 3~ 4 ~; 4'