The Sun. — London, England, 1820-10-09 00:00:00

HOUSE OF ,LORDS-THIS DAY THE QUEEN. Dr. llEsny iioLLAND was immediately sworn, and examined by Mr. WILLIAms, in nearly the following terms : you leave England as Physician to her •}lc.ill.l-14htless the Princess of Wales is 1814? I did. Eiti you proceed to Naples with her Roya Eighnesn ?-21 • Did you remain there the whole period of her relidence at Naples ?-1 did. Vv 'hat description of_persons were in general received by her?— , With very few-exceptions she was Nisited by. all the principal Italian Nobility, and also by ail the English who were , travelling there Where did you go after you left Naples ?—To Genoa. Were you ever on board the Clorinde frigate —I e . What description of visitors did her Royal 1-Lghness receive at Genoa ?—Both the English and others. Did you observe at that period that her Royal E:rghte6s ever avoided the English did not. The LORD CHANCELLOR here observed, in re -I.,retle to the lowness of Dr. Holland's voice, z!)at it was the duty of every witness who came there to endeavour to make himself distinctly hard. He therefore would respectfully state to Dr. Holland that it was necessary to raise his voice, for even the tones of the human voice were often characteristic of 'evidence. Examination resumed.—Q. What was the si tu,.ltion of her Royal Highness's house at Gentm? p.. It was about half a mile from the town. Did you know a person of the name of Ber . 13?.rrit ?—I did. Did he ever dine with her Royal Highness dur i:lF her stay at Genoa ?—He never did. What was her Royal Highness's conduct to wards Berganft —That of a mistress to a servant. What was the behaviour of Berganii to her Royal Highness ?—I never saw it otherwise than 'cu.:presuming and respectful. At what place did you quit her Royal High ness's. household ?—At Venice. Had you any communication on the subject of your quitting it before ?—I hid, at Milan. When you left her ;loyal Highness's suite at Venice, is it to be understood that you quitted it ttntirely, or only to return to it ?—lt was under stood I should return, for I left some articles in her Royal Highness's house. What was the occasion of your leaving it then and coming home to England ?,---When at Milan ber Royal Highness was pleased to observe, that if I wished I might make a tour to Switzerland ; •but I requested her permission to go to England on my own affairs, to which her Royal Highness consented. Po you recollect the names of any of the No bility who visited her Royal Highness while she resided at Genoa ?—There, was Lord William . 2entinck, with others, and generally all those who were attached to the Army. cross-examined by the SOUCITOR-GENERAL. While you resided at Naples, do you remem ber Bergami meeting with an accident ?—I do. ►%'as he on that occasion confined to his bed ? Ile *as. Do you remember how long ?—lt was about three or four days. Do you remember who waited on Bergami he was ill ?—Yes, it was Majocci. Did nat Majocci during that time sleep in the Cabinet adjoining Bergami's room ?—I do not Was there not a sofa in that Cabinet where lviejocci slept ?—I do not know. You hare stated that the house of her Royal IfiEliness near Genoa was in the suburbs, was ti- , :fre not a garden to it within a court ?—There was a small garden in front, and a wood behind. Were you in the habit of dining every day with her Royal Highness at Genoa ?—At Genoa always, but not always at Naples. Were you ever at a masquerade at the Th ea t re 4a£ San Carlos, in Naples, Alen her Royal High nemwas present there ?—I was. Who accompanied her to it ?—I did not know r,anie of any person till the following morning. Did you remain till the entertainment was at an ?—I staid but an hour.. Am I to understand, then, that you do not .koc. , .vv who went with her Royal Highness ?—Yes ; do not know. Have you ever seen any thing improper in the canduct of her Royal Highness towards Bergami ; or izave you ever-stated to any one that you made such an observation ?—I never observed any kn_ yrcpriety in her Royal Highness. i-ray, are you acquainted with a Minister at YOrk am. Having now remioried you of your acquaint aly.'.e with a Minister at York, will you depose, the you never staNd, you disapproved of the cc ;duct of her Royal Highness to Bergami ? I tire . ver said that the conduct of her Royal High- LeTS was not correct. I 'ask you, Dr. Holland, if you never made an olv.vvation to any one whatever with respect to tho.i:onduct of her Royal Highness am you, Dr. Holland, swear that ?—I am so 24;stied of the negative in my own mind, that I cal" venture to swear it. You have published a book of travels, I be- Lett;; and I wish now to ask you, if at any time, Zit-ring that composition, you found occasion to alter your opinion of her Royal highness? Mr. B3OUGELAM here objected to the question, ;Mich was over-ruled by tbHouse. Rave you always entertained the same opinion id, the conduct of her Royal Highness ?—I feel it i mi , tEz ibi e t o describe the tuctuations of opinion Excuses were trade for the absence of Lords Sons and PONSONRY, but the Duke of YORK vas so far recovered as to be able to attend. At twenty minutes past tea the Counsel were called in, -iv hen in my mind, but I remember no change in my opinion of her Royal Highness. Did you ever say to any one individual that the conduct of her Royal Highness wai such that no person who regarded their character could con tinue in her service ?--I am satisfied that I did not. Did the course of your duty lead you to be much about the person of her Royal Highness ? Very little. You was engaged then principally, while in the service of her Royal Highness, in your own pursuits and studies I—When they did not inter fere with my professional duties, I was generally so engaged. You have said you did not dine with her Royal Highness while - at Naples ?—Not always at Naples, but constantly at Genoa. Was it not at dinner time that you had the principal opportunities of observing her Royal Highness ?--It was. It appears that Bergami waited at table at Naples, did he continue in the same capacity at Genoa ?—lie waited at both. How long were you at Milan before you ar rived in Naples 1---About a fortnight. Do you re:nernber, when you was at Genoa, any persons of Bergami's family joining her Royal Highness's suite do. Do you recoll ec t th e name o f Faustina as one of those who joined you ?—I am not aware of that. Did you know a person of the name of Marti ni did not. Did you know a little child called by the name of Victoriue ?—There was a child that came there, but I do not know its name. Was there a female of any kind came there with the child ?—Tliere was a female who was understood to be the mother of Bergami, I re collect no other. Do you remember the circumstance of Louis Bergami's entering the service of the Princess ? —I do, but I do not know in what capacity he s. Did Louis Bergami wait at table I—He did. Did he wear a livery I—He did. When was it that Louis Bergami entered the Princess's service; was it at the beginning or end of the time you mention I—Towards the be ginning. How long did Lady Charlotte Campbell con tinue at Milan I—Till within three or four days before her Royal Highness left. Madame Oldi came into the service of her Royal Highness when Lady Charlotte Campbell had quitted it I—She Did you travel in the same carriage with her Royal Highness from Milan to Venice I—No. When Madame Oldi came into the service of the Princess, did you know that she-was Bergami's sister?-1 did not know it then, nor while I re mained in her Royal Highness's service. How long was the period of her joining you before you left her Royal Highness's service ? It was about eight days. When you were at Venice, where did she live ?—At the Grand Hotel there. How long did her Royal Highness remain at the Grand Hotel ?—I rather think she staid only one night. Was Mr. William Burrell of your party at that time ?—He was. Did you go with her Royal Highness to her awn house, or did you continue to reside in the Hotel you have spoken of ?—I remained at the Hotel: Did you dine with her Royal Highness every day during yourstay at Venice ?—Yes, every day. Did her Royal Highness quit Venice before you I—l went first. Did you afterwards rejoin her Royal High ness I—No. Do you know whether Madame Oldi could speak French I—l always conversed in Italian with her, but that was only a very few times. Was the house of her Royal Highness at Ge noa in a conspicuous situation I—lt was. Was it so situated as to be convenient to re ceive visitors from Genoa I—lt was. How long have you been in England since you quilted the service of her Royal Highness ? I have been here at four different times, generally for short periods, so that my absence never was long. have you ever been examined with respect to the conduct of her RoyalTighness by any one, or has any one asked you what you thought re specting it ?—Nev'.e Examined by the PEERS. Q. During the whole time you have been abroad with the Queen, and in all the places you have been with her, did you ever observe any thing improper or indecent in her conduct? A. I did not. Dr. Holland is understood to have said that he had . never been examined before on the sub ject; and it is now wished to be ascertained if he has ever been applied to by any one for in formation with respect to her Majesty's conduc while he continued in her suite ?—I never have. Did you attend B erg a m i d ur i ng hi s ill ness —al Naples ?—I did. How did you go into his room ?—I entered by a passage which was connected at right angles with my own room. Then it is to be understood that there was no occasion for passing through the Cabinet, next Bergami's room ?—No. Do you recollect the dress in which Bergami waited at her Royal Highness's table at Naples ? —I do n o t. Do you recollect a female arriving at Genoa much about the same time of the arrival of Ber gamPs mother and child ?-4 do not recollect it now, but it might have been so. Did you know the room in which the Queen slept at Genoa ?—Yes. What was the- disposition of the adjoining rooms ?---Nly, room was adjacent, then Hierony mus's, and then Austin's. There was also a pas sage from the great corridor -which ended at the dining-room. It was stated by a former witness that on the same floor as the Princess's and Bergarai's rooms, there was a water-closet ; do you recollect such a place do not. Did you ever see her Royal Highness and Ber gami together in any place after he had been raised to the rank of her Chamberlain ?—I ne- ver did. Several questions were put to the witness, who explained that he knew of no room called the Ca binet, and that with respect to the Countess of 0 'di's language, it was not exactly pure Italian, though not difficult to be understood. And also that the Queen, upon introducing Madame Oldi to the witness, did not mention who she was. Witness had never seen the Queen riding on an ass or donkey, and Bergami and the Prin cess had never dined together at Genoa, nor at any time while the witness was in her Royal Highness's suite. Here the witness was ordered to withdraw. CHARLES MILL, Esq. was next called in, whose examination was going on when our Reporter left. PRICE 0 THIS DAY AT STOCKS ONE O'CLOCK. 3 per Cent. Cons.. 67li India Bonds 235. pr ti per Ct. Navy Ann... 10411 Bank for Account 221, Ex. Bills, 2d..... 4s. 6s. pr. Cons. for Account Ditto Commercial ss. pr. HIGH WATER AT LONM Morning, 32 annutts atter 3. qSI BRIDGE TO-MORROW. 1 Evening. 44 minutes attar 3 THE SUN. SOLEM QUIS DICERE FALSUM ALIDEAT LONDON, MONDAY, OCTOBER 9, 1820. Hitherto we have cautiously refrained from all comments in the course of the Trial of the QUEEN that might appear to prejudge the ques- tion, and to.favour one side or the other. This caution we considered as due to candour and to justice, but we deemed it also due to our Readers, particularly those in the Country, to submit to them the opinions and arguments of our Competitors, who have not thought it neces sary to be equally forbearing, as the subject, in deed, in itself, is of the utmost importance to the honour and character of the Empire.—Upon this principle we have also admitted the sentiments of several judicious and intelligent Correspon dents. We shall persevere in the reserve on our own part till the conclusion of all the proceed ings, but shall readily open our Columns to fair and liberal discussion. We particularly recom mend to our Readers an article in THE SUN of this day, under the head THE QUEEN, which, we assure them, comes from a source of the highest respectability and honour, and, as it so well re- . commends itself by candour, perspicuity, and justice, we shall only add, that we shall always be proud of any communications from so valu able a Correspondent. We received yesterday and this morning the Paris Papers of Thursday and Friday last. Wednesday his MAJESTY held a Council of Ministers. Three Bulletins were issued on Wed nesday and Thursday, but they are in substance the same, only varying a little the words ; they all state, that the Duchess de BERRI and the Duke of BortnEAux were in the best health. The it onitenr of Thursday contains a Roya Ordonnance, appointing M. LAINE President o the Royal Commission of Public Instruction. The accounts from Naples of the 21st ult. state, that no intelligence had been received from General PEPE subsequent to the Bth, when he was marching against Palermo. It was re ported that a new Deputation had arrived from Palermo with an offer, of submission, upon con dition of Sicily being allowed a greater number of Deputies in the new Parliament. An article from Trieste states the arrival there on the 16th ult. of a Greek vessel from Corfu, bringing intelligence that the fleet of ALI PAdIIA had,inconsequence of the defection of the Greek seamen, surrendered to the PORTE, and that two of ALi's sons, then on board, were sent in chains to Constantinople. It is added, that ALI had been abandoned by the greater part of his adhe rents, that the Turks had entered Janina, and that he was shut up with 600 of his followers in the citadel of that place, from whence it would be difficult for him to escape. The following are further extracts : " Pants, Our. ti.—The King gave a private audience yes terday to the Alarquess de Saint Simian, and afterwards trans acted business with the Minister for ,Foreign Affairs a nd the Duke de Rich e li e u. Ilia Majesty aL,o visit e d the Duchess dc Berri and the Duke de Bourdeaux. " Dukt: de Bourde4ox is ;be- first-rite bon born at Paris. FIVE PERCENTS. Wednesday 74 f. 20 c. Thursday... DEFERRED STOcK. Wednesday. Thargriar. Of the 2.ed March, 1817 lO3 f. 70 C. 2 , 2(1 Match, 1820....91 f. 65 c. 22d Sept. 1840....89 f. f. SO c." We find, by The British Monitor of yesterday, a Paper on whose foreign information we rely, that " M. COPPOLA, the new Neapolitan Charge d'Affaires, who arrived in this country about three weeks ago, is not acknowledged by our Go vernmentt and that our Ministers will not receive the new Neapolitan Ambassador, who is hotirly expected !"—To the above information we can add, from our own resources, that the new Nea politan Ambassador to the French Court will not 'be received ! Thus, then, it appears that the five principal Powers of Europe act in concert, to chock the progress of Military Revolutions, THE QUEtN, bb si The witnesses brought f or ward on THE QUEEN, on the two fi r st d a ys of the 0e 11 0, tion, have by no means assisted HER 1 4AI rt cause. They could only s p ea k to the s h° that they were with HER MAJESTY; an d all reserve in respect to BERGAMI was 11141 , 0 and while HER MAJESTY continued to liv e ( "As! spectable soci e ty. Colonel ST. LE -- if first witness, had little to say, as he me re ; companied her to Br un s w i c k, w h e re she s ta r ' very short time, and he never saw or ktl e thing respecting BERGAMI. It appeared bl evidence of the Earl of GUILDFORD that he at Naples only three or four days wh il , e QUEEN was th e r e , an d th a t h e ca me theli t his Sister, Lady CHARLOTTE LINDSAY? companied HER MAJESTY from thence t ° and Civita V ecc hi a , where Lord GUILD ti joined them, an d having waited a few 431 i the frigate, they sailed with IlEa MAU g n of Leghorn, wh ere th e y se p ara t e d f rom T HE who proceeded to Genoa : so that &loci only twenty-four days in the whole in the s t „ of THE QUEEN ill Italy. His LordshiP s it that he recommended to his Sister to O s service of H ER M AJESTY . M r . 13nouGs'iut hemently objected to any question being" fti that point, and urge d th a t it b e expungeui) the Minut e s. It a p peare d a l so , from 0( 0 CHARLOTTE LINDSAY'S evidence, that, ro standing the income of Lady of the Bed-cb s d was convenient to her, for the reasons a 55 'N she was anxious to quit the service of ID'" JESTY, on account of th e un h a pp y an d deg" - hl opinions which were entertained of lig% JESTY''S conduce, so that notwithstandit, difficulties thrown in the way of the quest' t , to her Ladyship's motives for quitting the service, it clearly was occas i one d b y the O Ni li o D of the latter, and recommended by her t Brother, the Earl of GUILDFORD, who, usual consideration for his family, and w it oft' usual generosity, offered and settled an aP li ts i equal to the salary which she received as. r4 of the Bed-ch am b er . L a d y C HARLOTT E r oc :Ax went through th e w h o l e o f h er eviutecol notwithstanding its grea t l eng th, i n t h e mos t lected and p er f ec t manner; an d i ts canda'irCl clearness were the topics o f a d m i ra ti o n 00 bso sides of the House. o bi The evidence of Lord GLENRERVIE and l LLANDAFF was v er y i n mater i a l , an d t h a t 0 1 ce WILLIAM GELL and Mr. KEPPEL CRAVEi spects only the few days that THE QUEEN Naples. Sir WILLIAM had resigned, an" CRAVEN also quitted HER MAJESTY at NaP 1 ,71 . 0 There certainly i s no t in all, thi s anY f o e that materially shakes the evidence brough t t i o ward in suppo r t o f th e c h arges. I n t hi s di s gw ito business there is nothing so revolting as th e pudent attempt to denominate the proceediur i d this serious and i m p or t ant occas i on a foil' " fe e infamous conspiracy, t o assert t h e most Peri,' innocence a n d p ur it y , an d to ascribe the 0P',"001 of the disgrac e f u l con d uct, notorious throtlqx Europe, and which has scandalized all 5 6 rape for nearly six years, to the machinati on by Conspirators. Every insinuation of the failed and never can be proved. For some after the introduction of BERGAMI, THE QI/ S ii - t ; conduct was in a c er t a i n d egree reserve d, h"0 afterwards became so little veiled, that 51 100, noticed by very f ew respec t a bl e persons(/' ern Country, and at length not even by Foreig i art who are not s o d e li ca t e on suc h po i ntS as Weatia So that latte r ly s h e was comp l ete l y d eser ted / t he had scarce any body belonginc , to her excef iii t tt lii near relations o r connec ti ons of BERGAMI. v ha ' ve this have happ ene d, an d th a t s h e should OO been so completely unnoticed and neglecte ted her arrival in this Country, and scarcely l l ' i j ot e by a respectabl e p erson except t h ose f o r I( coti , she sent, through idle reports raised by 0 0 0 spirators ? A re th e p eop l e o f ran k an d I' B % l o in this Count r y so i gnorant an d so ill-infora'erio thus to act on s li g ht reports ? O r did it (l o t , from glaring misconduct which it was hardly tempted to conceal ? ADMIRALTY-OFFIC E, 7, 1 HO. • TO MR. JOHN BENNET, JUN., LLOYD ''' A Ag• Sift—Having laid b e f ore toy L or d s C omm i ss i on ers . r e t i na Admiralty your L e tt er o f this date. subs:titling, hY d A ir ., lll ‘ of the Committ ee f ur M anag i ng t h e Affairs o f LW' pp ' expediency of ordering out swim hips of wr.r with fu for the relief of the Homeward-!tonne Trade, which 04;011' prevented from getti ng i nto P ort by the continuance of o ar Easterly wind, I am' c omman d e d by their Lordshir or iter t quaint you, f ur th e i n f ormat i on of the Counn i tt cc, t hat t o t° are given to the Admirals at P.irtsmoutli and PlYm ° , send out any vessels th e y can get at for the above pOrP OO I am, Sir, your very humble Servant, „ 0 0 JOHN t ioM FALMOTjTII, OCT. 6.--Thee sloop Idia, - 1 " of Padstow, from Plymouth for New C 1113 3 10 attempting to re a ch thi s h ar b our l ast night'dorl: gale of wi n d, f e ll t o l eewar d , b e i ng veil, gel' and struck on th e Guages- at the entrance of ' - 1) . ford ha r b our , and immedik-Itely sunk. Th'' tain and cr ew , except i ng one man, were droif ur A man of resp e ct a bl e a uDearance was t a k —e t ori yesterday, charg e d w ith c ir cu l at i ng inflaro9liste hand-hills in the name of the Clueo's aiGe Committee, with a view to excite a Pre.'" against her MAJESTY. MARIA ED. wo ri On Saturday, the 7th inst. at. Southampton, 'l4llr.a.rolit'oci' Porter, of Henrietta.street, Bu c r nswick-square, to L ob, youngest daught er o f the late M.. James Whattnao the moimer place. DIET). as bee t , On Sunday, the Ist of Oct at Dnr.liirk, where be ti octot : , detained by illn ess , Ch ar l es Wm. lerningliam, f' sc l . 0 0t son of the lore Sir Win..Terningiiam, of Costeoel, of county of Norfolk, and brother of the presen t Barone t name. _ — LONDON: i•rinted by.l. B. 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