The Sun. — London, England, 1849-06-05 00:00:00

LAW INTELLIGENCE. COURT OF QUEEIN'S BENCH, June 4. (Sittings in Banco.) GOODMAN V. POCOCK. T;',is was an action brought to recover money due for service, and compensation for improper dismissal. It was first tried before Lord Denman. The plaintiff had been engaged in January, 1847, and served until the Bth of April, 18-48, on which day he was dismissed by defendant. The action before Lord Denman was brought for salary up to the Bth of April, and a compensation in damages for wrongful dismissal. The special jury gave 501. damages for the dismissal, and were about to give him further damages, when Mr. Peters dorff said that th e p ar ti c ulars o f demand did not go beyond the 231 January. Another action was brought, which was tried before Mr. Justice Erle, when the jury returned a verdict for 5/. 17s. 6d. Mr. HUMFREY now appitted for a rule to show cause why that verdict should not be increased by the sum of 43/. ss. td. The Court took time to con3ider. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. GUILDHALL. Yesterday Mrs. Catherine Stultz was again placed at the bar, before Mr. Alderman Gibbs and Mr. Alderman Carden, charged with commissioning Mr. William Bar ton, of No. 10, Throgmorton-street, stock-broker, to purchase 1,000/. London and North-Western Stock, which stock was purchased, and which she refused to pay for, or the loss thereon, amounting to 371. 18s. Mr. Huddlestone , the barrister , anMr. Hubler, soli citor, attended to conduct the rfrosecution on behalf of several members of the Stock Enchange. The prisoner was still unattended by any professional adviser. Mr. Huddleston said that without going through the evidence taken on the previous occasions, ho would merely state that since last examination inquiries were made, and it was discovered that her father was game keeper to the Duke of Devonshire, and was at present living in Derbyshire in independent circumstances, and it was his wish that his daughter should live with him, but from some cause she was induced to come to London and had been living on her wits. It would seem that she was acquainted with the porter of the lodge, at Devonshire House, Piccadilly, and had letters ad dressed to her there, but she was not authorised by any party to date her letters as from Devonshire House. So again at Knowle-green, Staines, where she was known by name, she told different tales. At Woburn-place it turned out that she was only acquainted with the ser vant, and therefore, as at Devonshire House, had re ceived no permission to direct her letters from there. He (Mr. Huddlestone) was of opinion that the prisoner was acting in concert with others, and it appeared the more likely from the f .ct that since her apprehension and the reports in the newspapers, the owners of the ..Old Friends Coffee-house" had decamped without paying their rent, and it was not known where they bad gone to. The difficulty to be got over was, whether the law, at first sight, would be sufficient to reach the prisoner's system of what could be called nothing else but swindling. He was of opinion that it would, as she induced Mr. Barton to purchase shares for her, and ob tained the contract note from him, under the pretence that she had money to lay out, and was a widow, both of which assertions were false. Supposing that she had obtained any money from Mr. Barton in case the shares rose in the market, that would have been obtaining it under false pretences; but as she did not, the fact of her trying to do so rendered her equally liable. Alderman GIBBS asked what further evidence there was? Mr. Huddlestone called Mr. Thomas Harrison, jun., of Walbrook, solicitor, who said that tho prisoner called one day at the office, and made herself known, at the same time laying claim to certain property . Having seen her before, and know ing that his father was the professional adviser of the late Mr. Stultz, the celebrated tailor, he listened to what she had to say; and during the conversation she said that she had a little money to invest, and could he give the name of any gentleman on the Stock Exchange who would do it tor her? He mentioned the name of Mr. Goulding, a stockbroker, when she requested him to write down the address on a piece of paper, which he did. . _ _ Alderman GIBBS asked where the husband was— whether he was dead or alive? Mr. Harrison replied that he did not know; but since the prisoner had been in custody his father had seen him. Robert Taylor, 144, said that he had been to make inquiries in Fetter-lane, and found the house shut up. He was informed that the party owning the coffee-shop left a few cloys after the apprehension of Mrs. Stul:z. Mr. Charles Vartin, of the firm of Hesseltine and Co., of the Stock Exchange, said—l know the prisoner. She came to us in the beginning of March, and men tioned the name of a very respectable friend of ours, at the same time saying that she had some money to re ceive, which she intended to invest in the York, New castlo, and Berwick stock. I advised her to hesitate, in consequence of the then peculiar state of the stock; but she said she had spoken to her friends, and they advised her to take that stock. She wished it for a distant period, and she purchased ten shares for the account. Before the account time arrived she again called, and said she had more money to invest, and requested us to purchase ten more shares. Mr. Fluddlestone—And of course you did so.— (Laughter.) Mr. Martin—We were soft enough to do so.—(lncreased laughter.) When we applied for the money, we received a letter, dated the 14th of April, to the same effect as those sent to other brokers. Mr. Iluddlestonc—And what loss did you sustain?— Why, 33/.; hut if Cat: commission was included it would amount to 371. 103. Mr. Iluddlesone—Did she get the contract note?— She admitted receiving it. Mr. Iluddlestonc—Why did you part with that con tract not.,?—We did SD in consequence of her repre.:en ta•iou that she had money to invest, and was a widow. Mr. Iluddlestorio—Do you consider the contract note a valuable document?—Most certainly, for if the shares rose it would be evidence against us, and therefore must be valuable to the holder. Aid& rman GIBBS said that he did nor see how the case ccud be rent to a jury. He was of opinion that the con tract note was not a valuable security. Mr. Huddlestone said he would then not put it as a valuable security, but merely as obtaining a piece of paper under false pretences, the value of which might be or was the ICOth part of a farthing, fur it mattered not how insignificant the value might be, and the alderman's experience would teach him that in bill stealing cases, where the bill stealer had bought the stamp, the stealing had been laid for the paper. To show that, he would examine Mr. Barton again. Mr. Barton then proved giving the prisoner the con tract note, and said that to show it was valuable, if she h ad written on it and sent a person to receive any balance that she might be entitled to in consequence of a rise in the market, he would have been compelled to pay the difference. The contract note was evidence of sale, and therefore a valuable document. Mr. Alderman GIBBS—I Still think it is not a valu able security, and as every one must admit the prisoner's .conduct is most disgraceful, yet I do not see my way clear enough to convict her for trial, as at present I think no jurs would convict her. Mr. Fluddlestone contendc.l that it was a valulble document, and a most imp 'rtant one to the holler. They.were not to look at shat it turned out to be, but what it might have been. Ile hoped the Alderman felt that present case was a most important one for a jury to decide. Let it gn before the judges to say whether the l w was sufficient to meet this kind of swindling, an - 1 if tlicy found it was no*, then the Legis lature could be petitioned to pass an Act to protect the community, whom_he represented, frum such frauds. Ile was satisfied that if the prisoner was sent for trial, the jury would dot hesitate to bring in a verdict of Guilty. Mr. Alderman GIBBS—How would you frame your indictment? Mr. Huddlestoac—l would first charge her with ob taining by false pretences a paper, value id. ; next, for conspiring with some persons unknown to obtain goods by false pretences; and thirdly, for attempting to obtain shares by false pretenc"s. Alderman Glans —But as yet she has obtained nothing. Mr. Huddlestone—But if she only attempt it comes within the statute. Some of the late decisions of the judges, reported in " Dennisoa's Crown Cases," support my view. Alderman GIBBS —Well, I have no objection to re mand the prisoner if you think you can bring forward such proofs as will remove the doubts I have at present. Mr. Iluddlestone replied that he had no doubt he could; and the prisoner was remanded until to-morrow. The officer said that he bad six letters which had eraived at the prisoner's lodgingi since her apprehension. Alderman GIBBS asked her if she had any objection to his opening them? - - Mrs. Stultz replied that she had not, but she hoped the Alderman would not read them publicly. Alderman GIBBS having read them, informed her that they were letters front stockbroker s in Leeds containing more contract notes. WORSHIP-STREET. Eliza Ward, a young woman of abandoned habits, was placed at the bar before Mr. Arnold, charged with having violently assaulted Margaret Middy, and bitten off a large portion of her ear. The occurrence took place in a low lodging-house in Keate-street, Spite Melds, in the occupation of William Sheen, the man who acquired so much infamous noto riety some years since from having murdered his chili, by cutting off its head, when he escaped conviction in consequence of a technical informality in the indictment, but was subsequently committed from this court for stabbing a woman with whom he cohabited, for which offense he was tried at the Old Bailey, and sentenced to twelve months' imprisonment. The complainant, whose face was very much bruised, and head enveloped in bandages, stated that she was em ployed as the female superintendent at Sheen's lodging. house, and that the prisoner came there at a late hour on the preceding night, and endeavoured to intrude into the apartment of one of the male lodgers. Witness opposed her entrance, and succeeded in forcing her back into the passage, where the prisoner commenced a violent attack upon her, beating h2r unmercifully about the head and face, and ultimately grasping her hack hair, so as to holl her securely, fixed her teeth in the centre of her right ear, and tore the greater part of it completely oft*. She had previously sciz,d and attempted to detain the prisoner; but the agony occa sioned by the wound was s excruciating that she was unable to retain her hold, and the latter escaped into the street; but, having stopped outside the window and dashed her hand through several panes of glass, a po liceman who had witnessed her outrageous behaviour hastened up and took her into custody. The witness added that a diligent search for the missing portion of her ear had been made by the landlord and other in mates but they had been unable to discover it, arid' she felt satisfied that it had been swallowed by the prisoner. Police-conattLle Byrtie, g 105, corroborated the lat- ter part of the woman's evidence, and stated that after lodging the prisoner in the station-house, he conveyed the complainant to the London Hospital, where her mu tilated car was dressed by the house surgeon, from whom he received a certificate, which he produced, describing the nature of the injury. In her defence, the prisoner said that she was com pelled to protect herself in the best way she could from the violence of the complainant and the man Sheen, both of whom attacked her in the first instance, and beat and kicked her in a brutal manner, in confirmation of which statement she directed the Magistrate's attention to her face, which was stained with blood in several places, and exhibited a severe scar over the temple. The prisoner was remanded for a week. ORIGIN OF THE GEOGRAPHICAL SOCIETY. The late Mr. Francis Baily, the eminent astrono mer and mathematician (says Mr. Britton in the Builder),. was for many years my next door neigh bour, with a wall parting his and my gar len between us. He frequently entertained parties of his scientific friends at dinners, which were distinguished for the elegant simplicity of the table, the eminence of the persons around it, and the very agreeable conversation which always prevailed. At one of these dinner-parties were the following :—Colonel Colby, Captain Smyth, Lieut. Stratford, the Rev. R. Sheepshanks, Mr. Baily, and myself, with three or four other gentlemen. Amongst subjects discussed was the desirable ness of forming a " Geographical Institute," or So ciety, when some parties stated that it had been talked about ; but no one person came forward with anything like a plan or scheme for forming it ; and both Smyth and Stratford lamented that such a desideratum was not promptly and substantially adopted. I ventured to remark that it was a subject I had often meditated on, and that I had, at one time, penned something of a prospectus, expressly on the subject, and if they would breakfast with me the next morning I would show them what I had written, or at all events explain my opinions on, and wishes to see, a practical society formed to promote and give addi tional interest to the science of ge ogra phy. Fi ve o f our friends assembled the next morning, when resolu tions were passed and written down; and I volunteered to act as secretary pro tem., and write a more ma tured prospectus, a copy of which was shown to Mr. Barrow, secretary to the Admiralty, who soon mani fested not only angry hostility to the scheme, but wrote intemperate letters to one or two of the officers who were and are connected with the Admiralty. The language used by the secretary was very irritating to the gentlemen he addressed, and it was feared that serious consequences might ensue. A meeting of our preliminary committee assembled, and it was agreed that the prospectus should be issued, and an appeal made to the public to ascertain who were willing to co-operate in forming a new society therein explained. The secretary, who was prompt, peremp tory, and resolute, instead of asking the advice and aid of friends, issued a prospectus, named a committee, and told the public that such a society was formed, and invited members to join it. Too much engrossed with the literary works I had in hand, I did not feel disposed to enter the field. I declined to involve myself in a paper contest, but both I, Captain Smyth, and Mr. Baily were named on the first com mittee, where we both saw and lamented, that a man of such rough bearing and manners should overawe and govern the society which had thus been formed. In the autobiography which I am now printing, I may be induced to give a further expla. nation of this public subject, from papers and dates of the time, as the Literary Gazette of May 26th has endeavoured to invalidate my claims to credit in the origination of the Geographical Society. THE IMPROVIDENCE OF A PEOPLE. In the eyes of foreigners we are a wealthy, money making, provident people. We labour unceasingly with our hands and with our heads; we amass wealth, we support our charities with a munificence which re deems, in a great measure, the refinement and amount of our vices ; our argosies float in every sea, we are called into and sway the councils of other nations, greater in extent, but weaker in power, and the sun never goes down upon our vast possessions, but shines perennially upon them; yet we are not, as a people, provident. The soft stirring sounds of music from the palace fall upon the ear of the wretch languishing in poverty and rags upon his pallet, such is the proximity of wealth and squalor—magnificence and filth. In the highways of the sister isle, men, women, and children, whose lives have been one long, dark, bitter night of agony and suffering, unchequered by the slightest gleam of sunshine, the amount and extent of which no pen can paint, lie down and die of disease and famine; thousands here want work, and to waist work is to want bread, lodging and raiment; yet are we an improvident people, when we have the means of being provident. To hear that a man has died and left his wife and family without a farthing— le.s them to chance—to live or perish anywhere; in the workhouse, in the prison, or the street, is so common an occurrence as not to be regarded as such things should, as the integral parts of a disaster, which in the aggregate amounts to a national cala mity 1 . Forecast and the merest prudence would obviate this to a vast extent. The mass of the people possess no capital save their labour, and the suste nance which it produces may the next moment be im paired or taken away altogether. It becomes therefore the absolute duty of the poorest man to provide, in however slight a degree, fur the support of himself and hie family in that season of helplessness which cernes upon mon when they least ix p-ct such a visitation. The curtailment of some slight enjoyment—a glass of beer, or a " screw" less a day-- would enable a man of twenty-five years of age to provide, by the aid of those humane establishments which have been formed for the accomplishment of so much geode__ the assurance offices of the metropolis-501. to his family on his death, or a small annuity when ho reaches a given age. The assurance of life has been esteemed by the igno rant a luxury, which the opulent classes alone could purchase. It is obvious, from what we have said, that not only is life assurance within the means of the humblest mechanic, but that from the precarious nature of their subsistence and the poverty which their decease woull entail upon those they must leave behind them, it is more incumbent upon them to make some provision, however small, for the future, than any other class of society ! The man whose thoughts do not extend beyond the mere gratification of the wants of the day is on a par wish the mere animal ; forecast shows the mastery over the lower passions of our nature; it is our duty, therefore, to exercise it to the best of our ability; and, as we have said, there are few who cannot do so. Life Assurance, let it be borne in mind, is a barricade thrown up against the foul fiends—want and misery! Again: but a small portion of the industrious classes seem alive to the fact that few homes are worth more than the amount of the accumulated rent for ten years. By becoming a member of a building and investment society he may buy a house outright for the ten years' r en t ; the money is furnished by the society; he mortgages the house to it as security for his payment of the rent to it for about ten years, it is then delivered up to him in tact,—it is his for ever! The mass of the people know nothing of the advan tages to be thus obtained. Let those whose at tention has not been arrested by these simple facts pause era they are beyond their reach. They earn money, and they spend it : show them how they can be provident,—give them an interest in their labour, beyond supplying the mere wants of the present hour, and you create better citizens, better morals, and at the same time, a social police, who, having something' to lose, would array themselves against the reckless and the turbulent for the common benefit and protec tion of all. " Procrastination is the thief of time;" the boldest and the strongest often go down into the val ley of death, before the weak and dying;—the head of a family, whose labour brings present comfort and hap piness whose death would bring misery and agony—unfathomable wretcheduess—may be stricken down among the dead this night. Let those who would lessen the agony of the throes of death recollect that they must work out their own redemption ; and that if they defer the preparation for the work until the back is bowed and the head is bleached the effort will be vain and fruitless. They will thus add to the pains of the deathbed the wild agony of despair--the thought that, by the smallest ex penditure of money in earlier life, that despair would not have taken the place of happiness and peace, and that those for whom they were bound to provide by every law, human and divine, would have been left in comfort instead of deplorable wretchedness !— The Reporter for June. ROYAL COLLEGE OF_ CHEMlSTRY.—Yesterday the annual general meeting of the members and supporters of this institution, of which Prince Albert is President, was held in the board-room of the college, Oxford -street Sir Charles Lemon, Bart., M.P., in the chair. The se cretary having read the minutes, proceeded to lay before the meeting the fourth annual report, from which it theatre d aiy was appeared that the cost of erecting the estimated to be nearly 2,00 01 . The ave rage at tendance of students had been between 20 and 30, all of whom, though many were foreigners, cordially agreed and prosecuted their studies very industriously. The receipts for the year were, including the previous ba lance of 543/., 3,1911., and the disbursements 2,791/., leaving a balance of 4001. The report having been adopted, votes of thanks were passed to Prince Albert, the council, auditors, &c., and the proceedings termi nated with the usual compliment to the Hon. Chairman. TIIE BRITISH BANK. — We have much pleasure in announcing that the Government have granted this Bank a Charter of Incorporation. The deed of constitution has been approved of by the law officers of the Crown, and the Chancellor of the E;:chequer has given it the fit of his approval. We may mention that this will be the only chartered Bank in London, with the exception of the " Old Lady or Threadneedle-street," and that it will commence operations in August. Those who wish to have the good fortune of becoming proprietors must lose no time in doing so. We look forward to the time when the Bank will transact as extensive and lucrative an amount of business as the London and Westminster ,Bank. — The Reporter for June. TIIE WEATHER.—The weather continues highly favourable. The crops begin to make a splendid ap pearance. There never was a finer prospect of an abundant ,--Ca r li s le barvest Patriot. AUSTRIA. VIENNA, MAIr 30.—A telegraphic dispatch from Warsaw states that his Majesty the Emperor of Russia has placed the Russian corps d'arrnee, com manded by Lieutenant-General Ganjiatin, under the command of Field-Marshal Welden. The Emperor of Austria, in a letter to the Minister of War, F. M. Van Cordon, has commissioned that general to take immediate steps for ascertaining the names of the officers and soldiers who fell at Ofen, in order that the widows and orphans of all those who there met with their heroic death may be provided for with as little delay as possible. The Wiener Zeitung in an article this day com pletely exonerates the Government from thecharge of having suppressed the extra supplement which con tained the non-official accounts of the fall of Ofen. The editor says, that so great was the demand for this extra supplement that the edition of 8,000 which was taken off was soon exhausted, and the office was therefore closed. The Wiener Zeitung, says, that the above re port was the more greedily circulated because it seemed to hold out a hope that the fatal intelligence might not be officially confirmed. The article con cludes with saying, the loss of the position of the Imperialists at Ofen can have no decided influence on the result of the operation of the army. This, as the Cologne Gazette observes, is an absurd way of imparting comfort, for the moral impression of the loss of Ofen is of immense importance. We learn from Weis-Kirchen that the Maygars have beaten the battalions of Puchnie's corps d armee. From Orsowa, we hear that the remnant of the ex hausted troops wers beaten and dispersed, and had fled—some to Wallachia, and some to Servia. The Cologne Gazette says that the confusion which prevails in every department in the Go. vernment in Austria is evident from the new press law, which Jellachich has just issued, on his own responsibility, for Croatia and Sclavonia. Although the Ministry at Olmutz pro mulgated such a law for the whole Monarchy, Jellachich 'made nothing of setting it aside, because he - considered it too weak in some points and too strong in others for " his people." Ac cording to the new law of the Ban, every political journal which appears more than three times a week must give security for 2,000 guilders, three times a week 1,000, and once or twice a week SOO. The Ban has also given a totally different meaning to the "Lease Majesty" than its definition by the Minitry. He has also adopted a new title, for he signsfils decree Jellachich Ban and Dictator. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, June 4. Their Lordships met bt Five o'clock. The Duke of . BUCCLEUCIIPrnted some peti tions against the Scotch Registration Bill for L'irths, Deaths, and Marriages. The Rid of MALMESBURY presented several peti tions in favour of protection. NAVIGATION-LAWS REPEAL BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, in consequence of the absence of the Bishop of Oxford, postponed the motion for the third reading of the Navigations-laws Repeal Bill until to-morrow se'nnight. The NOBLE MAuttuis also laid upon the table certain additional papers relating to the affairs of the Punjaub. TURNPIKE TRUSTS (SCOTLAND) BILL. This Bill passed through Committee. EDUCATIONAL GRANT. Lord STANLEY, in presenting a petition on the subject of the distribution of the educational grant, asked if the correspondence between the Prelates and the Privy Council had been brought to a close? The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that the cor respondence could scarcely yet be said to be closed; but propositions had been made, to which he believed the Right Rev. Prelates were inclined to accede, and before any great length of time should have elapsed he would lay the correspondence before the House. The Bishop of LONDON said the correspondence was carried on between the Government and the Com mittee of the National Society, but although many of the members of the Church were members of that Com mittee, yet th it Committee could not be said to represent the Church; neither was the Church bound by their acts. He was not one of those who entertained the apprehensions which oth ers en t er t a i ne d w i t h regard to the regulations of the Privy Council, but he regretted to state that he feared those apprehensions had not yet been allayed. LEASEHOLD TENURE OF LAND (IRELAND) THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 5, 1849. SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN. KIEL, MAY 30.—The English war steamer Hecate arrived here this afternoon and dropped anchor in the harbour. As she passed Friedrichsorts she received a brisk fire ; this was attributed by some to her neglect to salute the German flag which was hoisted there, and by others to the fact that she had not obtained permission to run into the harbour. The commander of the vessel immediately made complaints through the English Consul to the civic authorities respecting this unwarrantable procedure. The state 'of affairs here appears to take a turn from the known fact that the Danes will now pro bably be assailed by the Russians. ITALY. The Austrian Admiral Dahlerup bombarded An cona on on the 24th, 25th, and 26th ult. Letters from Turin of the 30th ult. state that the King was completely out of danger. A strange re port circulated in that capital. A note of the Aus trian Cabinet was said to have reached on the pre ceding day, summoning the Pieclmontese Government to deliver into the hands of the troops of Radetzky the fortresses situate along the French frontier, and the city of Genoa. A Cabinet Council was imme diately convoked which lasted eight hours. The result of its deliberations had not transpired, but no reply had yet been returned to the pretension of Austria. The Positivo, of Rome, of the 25th ult., contains the following:— "Persons, usually well informal, state that the King of Naples had bitterly complained to the Pope of his treatment in the Papal States,' where, according to the plan concerto' - ht Gaeta, the Neapolitan troops were to be supported by the French army. Cadinal Antonelli having observed to the King that Gen. Oudinot had in his proclamationreeoggised..the right of the Roman people to choose the loiln or gOveihinent they pleased, the Holy See had thought proper to protest against certain expressions of that document, calculated to impair the sovereign rights of the Pope. A copy of that protest had been sent to General Oudinot, at Civita Vecchia, and another to the President of the Republic at Paris. It is no doubt in consequence of that measure, the French General did not combine his operations with those of the King of Naples. The King felt greatly annoyed at those explana tions, and wondered that such a protest had been concealed from Lim. He then represented to the Pope the losses and dishonour it had entailed on his army, and said that if he had known that he was not to be supported by the French, he should not have embarked with S.) small a force in the expedition. The Pope is said to have been so mortified by the remonstrances of the King, that he resolved immediately to quit Gaeta, and to retire to Avignon, in France, the former residence of the Popes. " The Triumvirs had published a decree, ordering the country people, who had come into Rome to assist in constructing barricades, to return to their homes. Those who should be found in Rome twenty-four hours after the publication of the decree were to be arrested and conducted by force to their respective localities." FOREIGN FUNDS. BELGIAN FUNDS.—BaussELs, MAY 31. Actual Debt, 234 per Cent • • • • . • • . . • Rothschild's Loan, Five per Cent ........ Loan of Thirty Millions, FourperCent.... Ditto Three per Cent • • • • • • • Ditto Thirty-seven 31illions, ditto Ditt0,ditt0,1840...... •••••••• • • • • • • •. 88 Ditto,ditto,lB42 .• ...• .. ••••••• • •• • • •• 88 1 4 Ditto, 1844... •• •• ••• • • • ••• 81 80% Ditto, 1836... ••..••••••••• • • • • • •• • • •• Ditto, 1838 • • .. • • • • •• • • • • • • • • •• • •• Ditto of the City, 1832 ......, .. Ditto, 1843 •••••••••••• • • • • • • • • •• • • .......................... Bank ... •••• • • •. 67N 6734 Isnie of 1811 ...... ••••..•• • • • • • • .... 100% Exchange on London, 25.50. AUSTRIAN FUNDS.—YIENNA, MAY 28. 5 per Cents. .. ••••..••••••• • • • • • • • • • • • 85% 2% per Cent..... • • • • • • .. • • Ditto, 1839.. • • • • • •• • • ••• • • • ••• • • • Bank 5hare5.........••.•• ••.•••••.. Esterhaz y's Loan ..... • • ••• • • • RAILWAYS. •• • • .... 97 971,1 The Northern—. ...• • • • • Gloggnita • • . •••• • • • • Milan •• • • •• • • • • • • • Livornese •.•••• • • • • • • • • PRUSSIAN FUINDS.—BERLIN, JUNE 1. Bills. Money 78 St.Schuld Sch., 31z per Cent Prussian 5 per Cent •• • • • • Foreign Exchanges— On London, three months ••..••• . • • • • 625 On Hambargh", two months ...• ••• • • • 149 % On Paris, two months.... 80A, HAMBURGII FENDS, JUNE I. Bills. Hanoverian New Loan,s per Cent. •• .. 1014 Ditto, 3% per Cent. .......... •• • • Rank Shares.... .....• ••••• • • • • • Prussian 5 per Cent. .. • • .. • • . ICI% Russian Certificate .................. Anglo-Russian Loan - ............... 101 Hamburgh Certificate, 5 per Cent .. • • 94 Russian 4 per Cent................... 3d and 4th Series, Hope and Co. ••• • • • 83 3 C; Ditto Stieglitz ........ • „„ „ Belgian Loan,2% per Cent.......... 45% Anglo-Danish Loan, 3 per Cent ...... 64% Ditto, in 1001. shares ........ • • .... 64% Anglo-Swedish Loan Ditto, Transport Loan Norwegian Loan, 1848 ......... 98% Spanish New 5 per Cent. •• • •••• • • • • 10 Ditto, 3 per Cents. ...• •• •••• • • •... 22% East India Loan, 4 per Cent ........ Ditto, 1846...... • • • • „ • A ng lo-Portuguese Loan, 2% per Cent • . Dutch Actual Debt, 2% per Cont.. Ditto 3 per Cent. • • • • .... National Bank Shares ...• • • American, 6 per Cent. •• • • AAILWAYS. ......... 73)4 namb. Bergd. • • • • • • • • Ditto, Priority Shares •• • Berlin and Hamburg •• ••• • • • • • 59 Ditto, Priority Shares .. •• • 9114 Cologne and Minden . • ••. • • 7G 1 ,4 Ditto, Priority Shares .. ••.•• • • • . • 92 1 ,4 Mecklenburg •• • • • ...... •••• • •• Altona and Kiel •••••••••• • • • • • • • • • 91% Gluckstadt ........ • • • • Rendsburg.. • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Hanseatic Steam Company .. • • .. • • • • EXCHANGES ON LCNDON. Hamburgh, June 1.•.. • • • • 13 10 Ditto, Two months • • •• • • •• • • • • Christiana, May 23, 3 months.. • • • • RACES TO •• •• •• •• 110 4 76 JET. Ascot Hampton l3 Beverley, Hull, & E. R l3 Newton Knighton l5 Presteign ' l9 1 0 1 liii 6 21% • JU, Carlisle Newmarket 3 Liverpool ll Oxford lB 8074 Brighton Ripon Chelmsford • Derby Lincoln Wolverhampton .. Canterbury ........•••••• Warwick .............. Lichfield .............. Weymouth ........... Doncaster ........... Leicester .............. COME, 1849. Money. 104 10114 AUG 100% 64►14 64% OCTO Bibury 2O Stockbridge 2l Newcastle Winchester 2B Salisbury 2s Lancaster Goodwood Ludlow Huntingdon 2l York ...... 22 Great Yarmouth 2B Radcliffe Egham 29 Lothian , 6 Club 30 UST. :7113E1t. SEPTE' Bedford Manchester Newmarket First Oat 25 Wrexham Walsall , DER. Worcester Newmarket Sec. 0ct.... 8 Newmarket Houghton.. 22 NOV . E.MBETt. Yorkshire Union Hunt 5 The Heath... I Rlt July 3 Curragh RACES TO COME , 1849. June 26 Currag h Sept. 4 Carragh Down Corporation July 24 BILL. Lord CAMPBELL moved — the order of the day for receiving the report on this Bill. Lord BEAUMONT, who had given notice of some amendments to this Bill, requested that the bringing up of the report might be postponed until to-morrow, as he expected to have an interview with some parties from Ireland on this subject. Lord s:r CAI A I B L E E L yg L t h o o ht suggested an that the . Lord s should be amendments should be proposed on the third reading opportunity h given to discuss this Bill thoroughly. It interfered ma terially with the property of the Irish Society, and they had had no opportunity of being heard on the subject. The Bill offered them a small compensation, which they did not want, but it deprived them of a great mural in fluence which they had long beneficially exercised fur the protection of their tenants. Lord CAMPBELL said that his Noble Friend the Lord Chancellor had anxiously considered the clauses of the Bill, and that ample opportunity had been afforded to the Irish Society to bring forward their case. Lord BROUGHAM said he had presented a petition from the Irish Society against the Bill. They prayed to be heard by counsel against the Bill ; a more meritorious class of landlords did not exist in Ireland than the Irish Society. The Earl of WICKLOW said that the Bill had already been discussed on two occasions, and that the Lord Chancellor had expressly alluded to the case of the Irish Society. Lord STANLEY said that one of those discussions had taken place after a debate on the navigation-laws, and when there were only four Peers present. Lord BEAUMONT only asked for a postponement until to-morrow. He would ask for no further delay. Lord CAMPBELL would consent to postpone it until to-morrow. The Earl of LUCAN moved that it be referred to a Select Committee up stairs. Lord CAMPBELL objected to refer the Bill to a Select Committee. Lord BEAUMONT hoped the Noble Earl would not press his motion, but would wait until he heard the state ment made on bringing up the report to-morrow. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE trusted the House would not adopt the unprecedented motion of the Noble Earl, which had been brought forward without notice. The Marquis of SALISBURY supported the motion for referring the Bill to a Select Committee. Lord MONTEAGLE considered that after his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Campbell) had consented to all that had been askea in postponing the Bill, the propo sition of the Noble Earl was quite unprecedented. Lord STANLEY advised his Noble Friend not to press his motion, but he hoped the Noble and Learned Lord would consider the propriety of referring the Bill to a Committee, in order to give the parties who sup. posed themselves aggrieved, an opportunity of being heard. The Earl of LUCAN withdrew his motion, and the order of the day for bringing up the report was post poned until to-morrow. CALEDONIAN RAILWAY. Lord MONTEAGLE rose to present a petition from the shareholders of the Caledonian Railway complaining of the misappropriation of the funds of the company which had been invested in speculations with other companies by the directors. The Noble Lord inti mated that when the Bill for the extension of this line came before their Lordships he should ask them to reject it, as he thought their Lordships ought to express their opinion upon the conduct of these directors. Lord BIIOUG lIANI quite concurred in the view taken of this matter by his Noble Friend, to whom the public were much indebted for the watchfulness which he dis played in respect to railway affairs. lie (Lord Brougham) had been taunted for not bringing in a mea sure on the subject of railway audit of accounts; but ho did not do so. Ha did not vtish to take the matter out of the hands of his Noble Friend, who was so well table to deal with it. lie should certainly assist his Noble Friend to prevent the second reading of the Caledonian Bill from passing their Lordships' House after the state ment that had been made by his Noble Friend. After a few observations from Lord Monteegle, Lord Wharncliffe, and the Duke of Buccleuch, the conversa tion dropped, and the petition was ordered to lie on the table. Lord BROUGIIAM then presented a petition, pray ing for an extension of the powers of the County Cour ts. The Noble Lord then presented a petition from the As sociated Carpenters of Finsbury, stating that they were in distress, and praying for the establishment of home colonies, and for an advance of a loan from the Treasury to support the formation of such colonies, which they looked upon as the most eff,ictive means of relieving their present distress. The Noble and Learned Lord said that vt hit() he sympathised with the petitioners on account of their distresses, he yet could not support the prayer of their petition, as he did not think home colo nies would produce the effect intended, nor did he think that the Treasury had money to spare. for the purposes proposed by the petitioners. The Apprehension of Deserters Bill then passed through Committee. Lord PORTMAN moved the second reading of the Landlord and Tenants Bill, which came up from the House of Commons, and where the provisions of the Bill were fully explained. After a few words from the Bishop of ST. ASAPII, Lord BEAUMONT objected to the Bill, which he believed to be an unwise measure. He begged to move that it be read a second time th a t d ay s i x months. Lord CAaIPHELL supportel the principle of the Bill, but thought it might be amended in Committee. After a few words from the Earl of WICKLOW, their Lordships divided, when there appeared— Contents Non-contents 5 Majority for the second reading... —4 Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 4. The Speaker took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. CONSIDERATION OF LORDS' AMENDMENTS. The Lords' amendments to the following Bills were considered and agreed to : Hartlepool Gas and Waterworks Bill. Macclesfield Borough Waterworks, Markets, &e., Bill. Universal Railway Casualty Compensation Company Bill. THIRD READINGS. The following Bills were read a third time and passed: East Lothian Central Railway (Abandonment of the Railway and Dissolution of the Company) Bill. Edinburgh and Northern Railway (Formation of Slip Quay and other Works at Granton, Extension of Station at Edinburgh, Regulation of Perth Stations and Amendment of Acts) Bill. CONSIDERATION OF REPORTS. - The reports on the following Bills were considered and agreed to:— Birmi❑gham Borough (Exemption from County Rates— No. 2) Bill. Great Yarmouth Haven Bridge and Navigation Improve ment Bill. Hospital for Consumption Bill. Renfrewshire Justice of Peace Courts Bill. Truro Turnpike Roads, Penryn and Redruth Turnpike Roads (Consolidation of Trusts, Alteration of Tolls, Formation of New Roads) Bill. SECOND READING. The Hohne Reservoirs (Increase of Rates and Amend ment of Act —No. 2) Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. -_ PETITIONS. Mr . DUNCAN - presented a petition from the repre sentatives of v ar ious towns in Scotland assembled at Edinbur g h against the H ea lth of Towns (Scotland) Bill. Sir It. IN GLIS prese nted a petitip from Pontefract again s t th e Marriage B ill . Mr. 0 - LUSHINGTON presented pet i t ions from St. Paul's, C ovent garden, trading. a nd St. James's, against Sunday Mr. DICE presented petitions from Dover, Ilythe, and other places, for a further grant of licenses to beer houses. Mr. L. HEYWORTII presented a petition from a One in Gloucestershire iu favour of Parliamentary reform. Mr. SLANEY presented a petition from Shrewsbury praying that trading in seduction might be put an end to. It. 110pE presented a petiticu from Glonees ter against the increase of beer spoils. Viscount JOCELYN presented a petition from King's J'Ynn, praying for the abolition of the punishment of death. Mr. Liumr: at this period entered the House for the first time since his illness, and in doing so was most enthusiastically cheered. - P A LACE COURT. Mr. OSBORNE, seeing his Noble Friend the Member for Maryleb ene i n hi s place, wished to know w h a t course ho intended to pursue with respect to the Palace Court. Lord DUDLEY STUART begged to say that he had not given any notice of motion with reEpect to the subject : bithct to he had contented bini stlf with moving for returns. With regard to these returns, they were not yet laid on the table, but he understood they would be in a short time. Not long ago he had put a question to the Attorney-General inquiring whether it was the in tention of the Government to do away with the Palace Court. The answer he had received was certainly not very explicit, but it led him to suppose that the Govern ment had in contemplation a measure of that sort. If the Government did not bring in a Bill on the subject, he could assure the Hon. Member that he would do his best to bring in a measure on the subject, and he trusted he should be supported by the lion. and Gallant Mem• ber for Middlesex. CANADA. Mr. GLADSTONE gave notice for a future evening, that on going into Committee of Supply he should call the attention of the Houie to the recent Act to provide compensation for rebellion losses in Canada. COLLEGE OF SURGEONS. The Marquis of G%ANBY wished to ask the Lord Advocate.whether it was his intention to embrace, in his Medical Bill, or by any other means, to make an altera• tion in the existing charter of the Royal College of Sur geons of England, as well as of the Royal College of Phyik.dana of London, by which the grievances that the great body of its members have complained of, and pe titioned against, shall be redressed? The LO . RD A DVO(/ATE said it was not intended to propose any alteration of the R)yal College of Sur geons, but it would be neeesiary to make an alteratio❑ in the charter of the Royal College of Physicians, which would be embediel in the Bill. ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION. Mr. HORS MAN said, perhaps the Noble Lord at the head of the Gs)vernment could now explain the course ho intended to pursue with reference to the Ecclesias tical Commission Bill, and the Bishopswcarmouth rec tory. Lord J. RUSSELL said, with respect to the Eccle• siastical Commission Bill, he proposed on Friday to ask the House to go into Committee pro forma, and then to introduce an amended Bill to meet the views of parties who had objected to portions of the present measure. With regard to the second question, the draft of a Bill on the subject was now before the Law Officers of the Crown, and he expected to be able to introduce it in a few days. ARTS AND SCIENCES. Mr. EWART, adverting to a grant made last year, and proposed to be renewed this year, for general edu cational purposes connected with the arts and sciences, trusted some viva voce statement would be made by the Right Hon. Secretary for the Home Department as to the manner in which the money had been appropriated. Sir G. GREY said the subject was more within the province of the Board of Trade than the Home-office, but he believed the information the Honourable Gentleman required might be found in the blue book prepared by the Council of Education, and laid before the House a short time ago. Mr. EVVAItT said it was difficult to get at informa tion that was buried in a blue book.—(A laugh.) What he wished was that a statement should be made to the House on the subject by some member of the Govern ment. CEYLON. Mr. lIUME gave notice, that on going into Committee of Supply on Monday, he should move a resolution to the effect that the time had arrived when the public expen diture of Ceylon and British Guiana ought to be reduced, and means taken to establish efficient governments in those colonies. THE SUFFRAGE. Mr. F. O'CONNOR, on behalf of the Hon. Member for Rochdale, who was unable to attend from illness, wished to ask the Hon. Member for Montrose, whether it was his intention to bring forward his motion relative to the suffrage to-morrow. If so, he was authorised by the Hon. Member for Rochdale to withdraw his amend ment. Mr. HUSIE said it was his full intention to do so. Mr. F. O'CONNOR begged leave then to withdraw the amendment of his lion. Friend the Member for Rochdale. CANADA. Mr. HERRIES asked the Noble Lord to explain how it was that some documents connected with Canada had been omitted from the papers laid before the House, be cause they were too voluminous. Were they omitted by the authorities in Canada, or by the Colonial office in making up the papers? Mr. HUME said that before the question of the Hon. Member for Oxford was answered, and before the motion came on of which he had given notice, ho thought that it was necessary that the several papers respecting the various expenses incurred by these losses should be laid upon the table of the House. The House had a right to know what these expenses arose from, and how the progress of the contest had increased their amount; and he also de sired to know what papers the Government were in possession of that had not been laid on the table of the House. Lord J. RUSSELL said that all the documents which had been received from Canada had been laid on the table of the lionse. Mr. GLADSTONE said that all the documents in the possession of the Colonial-office during his presi dency over it had been published. THE PALACE COURT. Mr. OSBORNE wished to ask the Attorney-General whether any steps bad been adopted for abolishing the nuisance of the Palace Court?—(Hear, hear.) The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the neces sary- communication had been entered into wilh her Majesty's Steward of the household, and the only ques tion, he believed, which remained to be settled, was ono of compensation to the officers of the court.—(Loud Cheers.) Mr.:6SBORNE—Then am I to understand that a Bill will be brought in during the present session for the abolition of the court? %Vial a Bill be brought in this session ? —(lear, hear.) The ATTORNEY-GENERAL—There was much to consider; he could not say. It was impossible to say whether the Bill would bo brought in. —(oh.) Mr. J. O'CONNELL suggested that a similar Bill should be brought in to abolish the Attachment Courts in Ireland. The matter then dropped. INCUAIBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL. On the motioa for the third reading of this Bill, Sir L. O'BRIEN said, that this was a Bill for neither more nor less than hurrying the incumbcrcd estates in Ireland into the market, and as the names of the pro posed Commissioners had been refused be should move that the Bill be read a third time that day six months. Colonel DU - NNE, in rising to second the motion, pro tested against the allegation that Irish landed proprie tors had not done their duty by their tenantry iu pro viding employment for them, and said that the real truth was, more had been dono for the labouring inhabitants in Ireland in that way, than in any other part of the United Kingdom. He denied that the incumbered condition of property was the cause of the poverty and distress which now existed in most of the unions of Ireland, and attributed those evils to the poor-law, and to the manner in which it was administered by the Government. In one union in the county of Galway, there was scarcely an incum bored proprietor, although it was the scene of distress and misery. It had been alleged that the difficult transfer of property was another cause of the evil; but, on examining the facts of the case, he found that there had been a great deal of exaggeration upon this head. From a return it appeared that property amounting to 700,0001. was under the care of the Court of Chancery in Ireland, but that included the es tates of lunatics and minors. The entire va luation of property in that country as stated by Lord Rosso was twenty millions, but of that scarcely a twenty-eighth part was under the custody of the Lord Chancellor. Ho mentioned these facts because it had been asserted that a fourth and even two-thirds of the whole property was under the guidance of the Masters, which was a gross exaggeration. In other countries where the transfer of property was perfectly free there was to be found embarrassment equally great to that of Ireland. Fifty per cent. of the whole land of France changed hands within ten years after the revolution in 1790, and though now it was in the possession of five million and a half of families, the debt upon it amounted to two-thirds of its value. He, therefore, thought the representations with respect to the division of property in Ireland was extremely incor rect. He admitted that it was difficult to find a pur chaser at the present moment for land; in one instance an estate was put up three times for sale in Mr. Brook's office within one year, and yet it was impossible to get a bid for more than three years' purchase. He wou4l like to know whether the object of this Bill was to get rid of the proprietors of Ireland, without giving them full value for their estates? What was it to Irishmen if the House removed the landlords of the people of Ireland, and planted the most thriving colony in theircountry ? If the people of Ireland went to America the feelings and sympathies of their landlords would go with them. The House had passed confiscation after confiscation Bill, and tried similar Bills to that before the House, and the state of the country, after seven years of that kind of legislation, was nearly as bad as in the time of Elizabeth. If the Irish people went to America, the landlords became American people also. The Hon. Member concluded by supporting the motion of his Honourable Friend, that the Bill be read a third time that day six months. Mr. GROGAN said this was the most Algerine Bill which had ever been proposed to Parliament. It was proposed to give a control over property in Ireland which no English proprietor would ever submit to for a moment. For that reason, he would vote against the third reading of this Bill. Mr. NAI"IER said he would state to the House the grounds on which ho thought this Bill ought not to pass. He concurred in many of the objects of the framers of this Bill. On consideration he thought it would be admitted that two classes of machinery would be required for carrying out this Bill, namely, both administrative and judicial machinery. Ise admitted that the Court of Chancery in these matters was susceptible of improvem e nt, th a t greater facilities ought to be given, but he contended that its powers ought not be superseded. Was it likely that professional men in Ireland, whose professional acquire ments were considered equal, if not greater, than those of the Lord Chancellor, wonkl forsake their profession to take an appointment of five yrars with a salary of 7,000 i. a rear?—(Bear.) Ti,cy might call it romance (.r anything they liked; but if Ilicse Commissioners were to be empowered to make rules, es was stated in the Bill, they would endanger the safety of the pro perty with which they might deal, since it would be removed beyonu the scope of the law of the land, than which nothing could be more dan gerous. Besides they would supersede the supervision of the Lord Chancellor and the Master of the Rolls. Again, they did not know who the Commis sioners were to b e ; th ey were t o be subject, it was true, to th e contro l of t h e Privy Council, in which there were bishops and other persons, but the Council had the power to act as they thought proper, for they would not be bound by any laws. And thus they were going to deal with t h e w hole property of Ireland, which, though much reduced in value, had, in many cases, been obtained by honest industry. Ho thought the provisions of the Bill most useless and uncalled-f.)r, and ho should therefore vote for the amendment. It was not a wise course of Government to be contii-lually introducing now measures on this sub ject to supersede others in existence, because it served only to shake public confidence in the administration of justice. He did think that a special jurisdiction in Ire- Lad was neither more nor 1053 than an imposition, and the way in which they we:e treating Ireland was an insult to the country. The Honourable Gentleman then went on to examine seriatim those clauses which re gulated the sale of estat es , an d th e app li cat i on o f t h e funds to the public expenses of the district, and then stated it to be his firm belief that the Bill would be made a means of defrauding the local revenue. —(Hear.) Why could they not deal with property in Ireland as they dealt with laud here, as they dealt with it under the Lands Clauses Bill?—(lIear, hear.) Why, he asked again, should they have a separate jurisdiction for property in Ireland. If it was shown that the Court of Chancery was incompetent to deal with it, he would grant that some cause was mad© out for the establishment of an additional juris diction, but no such cause had been or could be made out; and he repeated, therefore, that this Bill was neither more nor less than an insult to Ireland. There was plenty of property for sale in Ireland, but it could not be disposed of except only at a few years' pur chase. As to the particular measure, he would say that they were not justified in going beyond what the ne cessities of the case actually required ; and if they did, they would perpetrate a great injus tice upon that country. Excessive powers were given to the Commis-loners appointed under the Bill, but they were relieved of all responsibility, and would not, in certain cases, even be subject to a writ of mandamus. He objected to this Bill as therein it was made a special case against the whole of Ireland, throwing the whole property of Ireland under the control of Commissioners. Mr. gADLEILZ had the misfortune to take a very dif ferent view of he measure before the House from that of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman who had preceded him. To the principle of the Incumbered Estates Act of last session, as reflected in its preamble, he had given an unqualified support, though he objected to some of its details. His Hon. and Learned Friend took a very narrow view of the Bill before the House. He seemed to think in passing this Bill the House would he destroying a vast deal of the property in Ireland; but if his Hon. and Learned Friend had known what were the practices of the Master's office in Ireland, he would not have spoken as he had done in respect of its being superst ded. So far as the appointment of the Commissioners was concerned, he cared not what these gentlemen might be, provided they were active, intelligent, business men, who would efficiently do their duty, and whether they did so on the principles of the Court of Chancery or no, should they do it expeditiously, he was alike careless. Were they to do their duty, he was, however, certain the measure would be the me ans o f rescuing a large amount of the property in Ireland from the useless state in which it now lay; as at present, the character and conditions of sale propounded by the Court of Chancery were the means of scaring away purchasers from those incumbered properties, and therefore they continued useless. He therefore supported the third reading of the Bill, because it took up bolder ground than the Bill of last session. But he would at the some time call atten tion to some defects in it. One of these was as re garded life-renters, and to take it out of their power to put the Act in operation, as it was impossible to bring within the compass of this Act estates so situated. Why should not the tenant for life be empowered to take the initiative, and sell the inheritance for the benefit of the lift-renters; and why, also, should the creditor of the tenant for life ba shut out from par ticipating in the proceeds? If that were done they would be really facilitating the sale of incumbered es tates in Ireland. He also thought that the powers of the Commissioners were too limited. They had not the power of compelling the attendance of witnesses, or the production of deeds, except by a most circuitous route. It would likewise produce a most salutary and beneficial effect in Ireland were the Commissioners empowered immediately to expose for sale those estates which were hung up in the Courts of Chancery and Equity in Ire land.—(Hear.) The most serious objection he had to that measure was in consequence of the professional ab sentee proprietors of Ireland; and he regretted the Bill was not so framed as to afford them an advantageous mode of disposing of their iucumbercd property. It was thought by many that it mattered not to the tenantry s hewer their landlords received their rents on the banks of the Thames or the Tagus; but he very widely differed from them, because he believed that nothing tended more to the peaceful, social, and religious habits of the people than the presence and attention of their land lords, He, therefore, hoped that Government would use their powerful influence to induce those absentees to part with some of their property by some clauses in the Bill, which would mainly tend to the advancement of the people of Ireland. He would allude to the words of the Right Hon. Member for Tamworth, in reply to Sir J. Newport, in 1816, when he (Sir H. Peel) was then Secretary for Ireland, and the representative of an Irish constituency, and had therefore the means and power of judging what would be beneficial to that country. "If I were to say from %hat measure good would accrue to Ireland, I would say that the compulsion of the landlords to reside there would be better than any proposition that could come from any other party; for he believed that the presence of the landlords would do more good for the preservation of the peace and laws of that country than any other system." Again, this opinion is corroborated by that of Chief Justice Black burne, when examined before a Committee of the !louse of Lords, which was to tho following effect, that much injury arose to the truantry of Ireland in cons( (pence of the alY,ence of the proprietors.—(Bear.) The number of absentee landlords was rapidly increasing, for if apy of th. tu wished to evade the pour•law tax he had only to go to France, spend the proceeds of his property there, and thus escape all social and political reeponBibility. The en• tire acreage of the county of Kerry amounts to 100,983 acres; of this 9,983 acres belong to four absentees, and half of the remaining 8,000 acres also belong to persons not resident iu that country for many years. Be, there fore, considered that the Government would bring for ward some measure this session, for it would ba impos sible, under the two judgment acts to which he before ad verted, to dispose of incumbered estates i❑ Ireland, and it not, capitalists will never be found to purchase those estates. He then said he would support the Bill. Mr. HENLEY said that from the speech of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Sadleir), he expected that he would move that the Bill be re-committed, but instead of that he (Mr. Sadleir) said that he would support the third reading of it, though all his remarks were strongly op posed to it. He (Mr. Sadleir) also stated that the pre sent measure would be as inoperative as the Bill of last session was; thus after cutting it up in every possible manner, he informed the House he would support it. Ile had three reasons for opposing the third reading. One was, that there was much of the incumbered pro perty that should be set loose for the benefit of Ireland, which was not at all to be effected by this Bill, for there was much property in that country that was without marketable titles and prices. Another objection was, that the Commissioners whose appointment this Bill pro vides for, are not to act openly and publicly, and, of course, might Le subjects, through ex-parts stwements and one-sided testimony, to prejudices against those whose interests are must involved; he therefore feared that the Commissioners might, by a jealous and annoyed people, become suspected of jobbing. Again, ho did not see that any national object would be gained by taking the distribution of the funds from the proper tribunals of the country, and placing it in the hands of Commissioners, from whose decision and functions there could be no appeal. He should, therefore, op• pose it, because he did not think it would secure its object. Mr. SADLEIR briefly explained that he did not sup port the present Bill to strengthen the Bill of last ses sion, for the latter he believed to be inoperative. The SOLICITOR -GENERAL said that he should only refer to the leading points of the Bill. He cer tainly believed that the details alluded to by the Hon. Member (Mr. Sadleir) should have been debated on in Committee, and not on the third reading of the Bill, and that if it were his (Mr. Sadleir's) opinion that the mea sure did not go far enough, that he would have the op portunity next session, when the Bill would be tested, in case of a failure, to bring in his measure. He also con sidered, though contrary to the opinion of the Hen. Member opposite (Mr. Henley), that it was confined to incumbcred estates, and should say to hi m an d to t h e Honourable and Learned Member for the University of Dublin (Mr. Napier) with respect to the non-in terference of the law courts, that the Lord Chan cellor of Ireland expressed his full satisfaction with the present measure, and that it did not at all reflect incompetency on either the Court of Chancery or the Court of Exchequer, for there were many matters connected with incumbered estates that the Court of Chancery could not easily disentangle to the satisfaction of all perties. He thought it much better to appoint three persons who understood the subject, and who would lay down their reasons without that species of legal technicalities that always incumber the sale of land.—(Hear, hear.) He always thought that those difficulties that had been alluded to would not be found in the working of the present measure, for there are only two classes, the disputed and the undisputed class; and, should any doubt at any time arise to those three persons, they could have access to the opinions of any of the courts they might wish to consult for the more prompt and ready administration of their duties. He also believed that the Bill would facilitate the means of procuring purchasers, and that nothing would be wanted to secure its success. The propositions con tained in the Bill had met with very general approba tion, and there was no quarter from which any sugges tion had emanated to the effect that, when carried into practice, it would not prove productive of benefit. The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman concluded by ac knowledging the assistance he had derived from an esteemed friend of his, Mr. Colsan, in his ell irt to re vive and regenerate the rights of property in IreNnil The House then divided, when there appeared— For the third reading ll7 Against it Majority for the Bill -105 The Bill was then read a third time and passed. The questicAa having been put that the House should resolve itself into a Committee of Supply, Sir H. W. BARRON asked the Noble Lord at the head of the Goverment whether he meant to move, on Friday next, the Committee on the Poor Relief (Ireland) Lord J. RUSSELL answered in the affirmative. SUPPLY—MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES. The House then resolved itself into a Committee of Supply, Mr. BERNAL in the chair. The following votes were agreed to:- 110,117/. for superannuation allowances and compen sation to persons who had been employed in the public service. 4,1001. for the relief of Anrgican loyalists end other charges. 2,0001. for the National Vaccine Establishment. 2,000/. for the Rortige for the Destitute. lief A vote of 8,900/. L av i ng b een propose d f or the re of Polish and Spanish refugees, Mr. REL'TON said he thought it was time for them to put an end to th ese P o li sh grants. H e trusted he would be supported in his opposition to the vote by those gentlemen who had of late raised so great a crf throughout the country in f avour o f financial refe riji It was unneeessary for L i ra t o rem i nd the Corn mitt° the the prominent p ar t w hi c h t h e P oles had tale en la revolutionary mov emen t s on t h e Continent d ur ing 'P d last twelve months; in all those movements they h e o been prominent and distinguished actors—(" Hear, hear from some Honour a bl e M em b er on the Min i ster ial 51d , r of the Howe.) Hon. Gentlem en o p pos i te m i g ht ehe e „ that statement; but he should rem i nd them t h a t then L 0 " might be a difference of opi n i on as to the va l ue of t h e notoriety which had thus b een secured. H e did new however, wish to say a word aga i nst t h e P o l es in th is country who were the recipients of that grant. Ile be d lieved that many of them were very excellent met]; `"if one of them, a nobleman who had distinguished hie l 7, l by his exertions for the relief of distress in the I '!'i country, was universally respected. But he cetta'!',, i g thought that the Committee ought to insist on receit o some information as to who were the recipients of t A u... grant, and what was the mode in which it was tributed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEB ; sai d that a considerable rev i s i on o f t h e l i st of the recillbe of that grant had taken place since last year' names of some of the parties had been struck out; othe re had resigned; and to a thi r d c l ass i t b ad b een a rratig ar 7 , that no relief should be g i ven b eyon d the present Yet,g The estimate of the grants to the Polish re fugeeero year had been $,7001.; this y ear , i t was 7,3901; aeouq3l, the expiration of this year it wou ld b e reduced to He trusted the Committee would not withdraw the P .- 0 , rosed maintenance from parties who, if they were ne t di f, relieved, would necessarily becomo chargeable to the ferent parishes as casual poor. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY w i s h e d to k now if vacanc i es in the list were filled up ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER reP li ‘ a that they were not. The vote was then agreed to. tatl i A sum of 6,423/. havi ng b een propose d for r rO tes 14 Dissenters, and other miscellaneous allowances, forte° payable out of the civil list. ; Mr. C. LUSHINGTON said h e h a d g i ven notice et 0 the commencement of the se ss i on t h at b e s h ou ld oag 0 le any renewal of the reyiurn donum. He found that wb the grant had been proposed last year a very strong I l e position had been made to it, both out of doors W h o that House. But he was surprised to perceive t e `a during the present session the Dissenters had obser,v, ae s complete silence upon that subject. Last year petttg. s , had been presented from most influential bodies of m i ta seaters against a continuance of the grant; but this ); e m s there had been but one solitary petition to that n e from one obscure village in Derbyshire. Under Ol e o circumstances he felt very much puzzled what c ourse, adopt. He believed, however, on giving his best coero'l, deration to the matter, that he should be acting roll perly in opposing a grant t o th e di ssent i ng b o d y to VP they had themselves ceased to object. 5 14 Mr. WYLD said he und ers t oo d t h at t h e sum of /0 which was proposed in th a t vote f or P rotestant Thss e tio ters, was not the regium donum, although it was s $OO for the same purpose. 11 e b e li eve d t h e Dissente rs W . , 1 , / as much oppposed as ever t o th e grant, and that the ef‘ t reason they had not con ti nue d to pet i t i on aga i ns t it ; 0 that they saw very little use in addressing their pr 0 „ 0 to that House. H e f oun d b y a Parliamentary retied that the sum v o t e d un d er t hi s head, an d distribe de , amongst the cle rg y men o f three denomin ations--113re 0 pendents, Presbyt er i ans, and Baptists, did not give eh than 225. for each. What substantial relief could O w assistance afford? The Dissenters of England re P o d diated the grant, o ver w hi c h t h ey had no contr ol, 0 4 he hoped the Noble Lord at the head of the Gover o e 3e ,• if he would not consent to abandon it on the present, casion, would give a pl e d ge t h at t hi s i nsu l t to the u ti a renting body would be discontinued. If not, he ° II° feel compelled to divide the Committee, e of Lord J. RUSSELL cou ld certa i nly give no pleu A gibe the kind. So fax from this grant being forced e ll e re Dissenters, the applications,for assistance from it w ha j numerous, and it was di s t ri b ute d b y D r. R ees an d a be d of great respectability as a matter of charity. ;of been given ever sinc e th e ti me o f G eorge I.; fi rs t oil se the civil list, and subsequently by Parliaments to t could not, therefore, g i ve any prom i se that t he gr would be withdrawn. e' Mr. B. SMITH wish e d t o k now whether the G e t ee vernmetst had any objecti on t o f urn i sh a li s t recipients ? fid rd Mr. WYLD express e d hi s regret t h at the N o ble et should persevere in ref us i ng t o remove th i s stigma fro t to the dissenting body, „who had always regarde d t ee t ee Noble Lord with the mo s t sincere respect. Cou ld tjott Noble Lord point to a s i ng l e dissenting eongreg -a t o. which would acknowledge t h at any of its m i n i s ters ceived relief from this grant? The recipients wer e :, to to be found among th e th ree classes of Disseat e " s e i s e which he had ref erre d. Th e Wesleyans did not reee one farthing of it. Mr. BRIGHT said th a t not hi ng could b e mo re er, r o (r. neous than the inferen ce th a t b ecause no p e titions ;J ett been presented, therefo re th e o pi n i ons of the Dise ell bt al had relaxed on the subject of the grant. TheY e uld made a considerable eff o rt la s t y ear , an d pro b a bly vl d to make another two or three years hence. With reg ar b; it furnishing the names of th e rec i p i ents , h e thong t o most unconstitutional that thou , ands of the P o st money should be distrib u t e d amongst persons of Whed, they knew nothing. U nt il t h e names were furni°Roe he for one would never belie ve th at a t h ousan d DisEe ip ing ministers ht,d received relief from this source. J o could promise the N o bl e L or d t h at the first list would t 9 the last; for ei t her th e p art i es would bo deterred 1%, apps} ing again by th e f orce o f pu b l i c opinion, or the up sensing bodies to whi c h th ey b e l onged would make or whatever might be necessary to maintain them in ett to dependent and honourable position. s op Mr. W. J. FOX said thi s was per h aps t h e on ly of in the estimates which was opposed by its nominal r it piente. If the money m us t be granted, at all event:tsel ought to be placed in th e h an d s o f t h ose w h o re presFf the dissenting bodies for whose benefit it professed % to The present modo of di s t r ib ut i on was pecu li ar ly W o e abuse, of which instances were within his owri s k fr ieg ledge. It was at all tim es ma d e t h e means o f confe r 0 0' undue influence on certai n individuals, and was 11° re frequently used for the pr omot i on o f po li t i ca l e nds. e ll sides this, it was a violation of a principle to whi c are et, dissenters were firmly attached—namely, that 1) 0 P on 0 1 of public money oug ht to b e ma d e for the proreett any particular system of theology. "osto Mr. KEIISHAW said he had t a k en so me Pt tl , ascertain the parti es amongst w h om this gran t Wan tributad, but with ou t success; and the conc l u sien ic sa therefore forced upon him that it must either be to to unworthy objects, or to individuals not belong h t :ek the dissenting ministry a t a ll. Wi t h regar d to t ittelf leged alteration in the feelings of the di ssen ters, l beQo that since last year very s t rong resolutions had passed by those bodies against the grant. t° Lord J. RUSSELL c er t a i n ly did not t hi n k it r i g e t° give the names of those amongst whom the mon e y er fat distributed; for he agr ee d w i t h t h e H on. Meo 3 , b ci if Manchester in thinking that to publish them won W itb put a speedy end to the list. It would b e the san 3-„ toes persons of any denomination to whom alms were g u 54, If to any of these it were said —"I will give )1014 but I will p u bli s h y our name i n the votes of the dole of Commons," w h o wou ld accept the boon? 11 , e 0 4°' , that the distribution of the money was made sues e : sll ol to political purposes, or f or t h e purpose of estab.l9 e u any sort of connexion between the dissenting he d s le e sor the state, or, indeed, for an y o bj ects w h atev er I , those of charity. 0 1 1 Mr. BRIGHT still obj ec t e d t o thi s h ocus pool s tee d of system, under which no one could tell how the be was distributed. The Noble Lord said it wollit i kut be pity to expose the parties who particip a t e d i n it; ," oy po seemed to forget that he was not dealing w ith 10 ) If money, but with that of the public.—(Hear, the Noble Lord chose to give 51. to the Church of t ic° land, or any other church, every day, he had no ole it to it; but he had the greatest objection to his ta k itill ' , " from those fu n d s o f wh i ch the Chancellor of toe:ere chequer was the t rustee for the nation, and which.; o° with diffi cu lt y ta i sed by taxes on the comtnunitJA' tie whom they ofte n p resse d with great inequality sto" justice. If the N o bl e L ord was as much a Dissent e D r e to he used to be—(Laughter) —be believed the Noble s ett used to attend a dissenting c h a p e l unt il Hon. Gel 3tl :i th e opposite put a stop to it—(Cheers and laughter)l tJ3°, Noble Lord knew as well as he (Mr. Bright) d i ao t feeling of Dissenters, he wo u ld b e aware t h e t a gr" this kind was not in accordance with their policY. The Committee divided, when there appeared- - For the vote For the amendment 33 Majority The vote was then agreed to, as were also-- 1,000/. for the Dublin Fever Hospital. 12,093/. for the House of Industry, Dublin. „,i t itee, On the vote of 800 t f o r th e F ema l e O rp h an .1 15 .7 Mr. FAGAN complain e d th a t t h e vote wa s 01 )0 0°' distributed among the f ema l e orp h an ch ild ren of e°,', The children received in the asylum were edllea h itare; elusively in the Established religion, and when e to O a of the Roman Catholic religion were brought ir l io th; institution, he knew that they were brought uP, to e religion of the Establi s hed Ch urc h. He conten d sor the Roman Catholic population w ore en titl e d to !t o th e i in the grant, and he should feel it hi s d u t y to divi vr ie o : Committee on the grant, unless his Ri g h t Hon. ' r oe: the Secretary for Ireland would gi ve hi m some ass u . a iretv that the Catholic orphans of Ir e l an d woul d Parld- s in the grant. , sf°; Sir W. SOMERVILLE ad m i tte d that the Yc" a se ts mof an exclusicharacter. It h a d b een vote d for ol long time, and was i n th e course of annual d e dllc and it would be a great h ardship to discoutirl e o suddenly. t Major BLACIcALL said the i ns tit u ti on was 11°- tea 11"; ported exclusi ve ly b y a grant from the Gov:run:lv th re wss a large sum sulmctibed for its support. i 00 1 Mr. FAGAN hoped some hop e wou ld be that the grant would be increased in the way suggested. e dr The CHANCELLOR o f t h e EXCH E QUEn , on the contrary, that the vote would be arlutlall e• duced. The vote was then agreed to, as were also 2,250/. f or th e L oc k Hospital, Dublin. 800/. for the Lying-in Hospital. 1,500/. for Steven's Hospital, Dublin. 3,800/. for the Cork-street Fever Hospital. 5004 for the Hospital of Incurables. scce dit On the vot e o f 37 , 1831. f or non-conforming, .„ and Protestant di ssen ti ng m i n i sters i n I re l a nd, A tliP Mr. TRELAWNY sa id if th e H ouse sa nctio o " r iesto vote, they ought to go a step further and pay theliel o of Ireland. The vote was clearly not one of rely pot principles; but it was a questiou whether it Nv°, ll i o ace be advisable to mak e some effort to secure the al,por of the priests, as the friends of order in Ireland'