The Sun. — London, England, 1855-05-11 00:00:00

• .....••••"' ~.___,, _ it 4' S 11 -------- A-. D 0 -"' r-4 MARK E T S LlNE _______-------..._. S r LASED A T FIX .ED RENTALS. ______-.---------- /'--' (THIS DAY.) Lz .in. ..;iostru Prices Suitt ess Phr. raid Raarmaas. c o mpans yesterday. this dai . /• -...,,, -- -0.----. -- ---; -.- 1117. __________ RAILWAYS. - -....--- .. ti 50 311 Bedford :-.nd ' London _ Rana.. .-Ye. ri Bletchloy ... , NT. 1 '''.., 4 _,, ..... 98 96 • "the Prices Brains., 4one St. 100 Buckghamsh. Ea. &N• "` • ' -----••••-....., Yesterday. this day. St. 100 Clydesdale Jo. ')Alo'l° 11 .• 96 - 98 st 1 00 25 24 Col. Stour Vy. E. Un. a _____ 12i g , tb erdeen . 1 kalbg If •• 6 "" ...... 19 ' 20 194 Slid. and Hal. E. C ..... ... - •.. . ..... 50 and i ottng. Bost. St. 100 E. Lincoln gr. . qt.Nrtliv. 133 - 135 ...... 5 ial ' ll Belfs. Ea Junot.. 4} all % mil l "allYmetta . . ... :. 4 . Caldonian. 1 1. Si g• Wolverh. & 1 20 '''''° l4 r . St. all Colas . a s e P i i c e r . B e v a. e i n i T t r . e . t t ••• - ••• • -- ... St. 101 Do. New ..... . Do .... "irk Valle ) ! .. 81 2 enhd. * ..... • - 81 •••••• 171 . cheshi e ua , nesh. & a ll Do. ' Janet .... 14 -13 i Railvray & Berw ..„ - ... 1 4 . 22 1 ,Z s o Cheep, a.vo di t Wil li: , .0 all 9 ' , n o., ,c 2 n o d . :-. Conk 141 -15 100 25 all G El T :t t l r p . l 4 ! D p k n : F & r 6;Ytk..WNees:. ... - .. 50 all Doll.Hu & Selby Y. &NM 106 - 108 ...... • 5 25 al) Shares. Do • - ..• ...... et , Yths,Ty; ....... ;••• 9 - 8 d 0 ,. 100 425 ( * mad " gala 121 __ .. 124 all Lon.&Greenw S. Easter: 121 -13 12 1 .a, In , Bri stol _ •at £45, . . -. .. all Do. i Shares. Do 10 6 r e. Caj oi l on a i rl d Exeter... 87 . _8; 20 all Do.Preferenre Do 23 -24 1.0 all Lon., Til., &S. Peto &Ca 111 - 111 1 ealm,‘.2n. ....... . 591 - 604, 60 St. 100 Lowestoft gr. • .... 2 2 0 dig - a "" 4ie n and Car 4 per cent. gorfolk... ... - ... 6 0 all 011 e 4 .. ... .... . . ..... 20 - Cork a 20 a ll coe. and B and° 7 L 3 54 all Manch. Bxtn. L.&N.W ..... ...li i 10 16 fl. ', Elack, d i p u n- - 9 2 and Matlock & Midld. 21 -21 0,1 4 00 li w all, . s . ••• - ... lit. la's:11 off e j i .,„ ...... .......... - 25 Dub': --,,,i00 ....... ••• 50 ', all Middlesbro' & Stektonk Redcar. Darlingt. ... - GOA' Nilkiill"4"Bgelicalftin.aB°....ntj......ll..n....c.: II:** -__, 1-5. deo I. 5 • -- ..4 St. 1 1 0 Midld•Bradfd, Midland.. 92 - 94 6; 54 Newmarket 25 all (le e /.` a rth&A.bei Bury Exten... En. Conn. 1p - par 20 , n, 1 ....., ew ..... 50 all Northern and Easternsp.e. E. Count. 57 - 59 58 : s t. t. l^ l ^: i‘ if toc te lt r r i 50 all Do. 6 per et. Do •• -- ••• Me e °fl w P44 te Ce.tlntieB.. ... 11 i -11 a 50 all Do. Fixeds p e Do .. - . ..±. ... - ~. `rat her . ~Unioa. . . ..... 5i - 6 25 all Prest. & Wyre L. &N. W. 'tic 111 7 i ..o 8 us, /3, "•••• . ...... 30 -.. 32 &Ln&Yk ... - ... i all - 13t. I,„i Do v. - -- , elc ... 20 -22 r', tie, t. b.„ ‘ " ) P. 44 , _'''evr. A... .. • 124 all Do. 1 Shrs. A Do _- ._ NO g St. 100 ROystn.& Hit. GtNorthn 130 - 133 k . i . tl lO 1° L. -kit' P4lll Th '4 -- 11c . ash • ire.. .. ...... 711 : ..74 72 25 18$ Shef.Roth.and Lancash& ' ...., . 0 B t. 10 4 0 tdinb 4rgh4 Gl asgow 5 1 - 56 Gooleg.s p.c. Yorksh. soa p 10 Edi n • and Peebles. 2d 8 0 ' 0 1 P ort ' Pith 4 Dund lni - par 10 all Shrews.&Her T. Brassey ii - 8i destli ,• 2 all Po r k Clyde June, ee _ -18 i i 9 ';q S. Staffordsh. M.MClean N2l - 21t1 t o far t il et, .141 1) 0 .m ess • ........ 5O all WearValleygr Stockt. & breP. l OO • Exte St, ir , aw ito naion.: ...... *- - '• ' 6 per cent... Darlingt ... _ ... 0 '..... .. - . . et, l 0 7) Gr eat 7& S. Weston. 67 -69 25 all Do Do 3l/ - 324 le ~,4 n \Torn, St. 100 Wilts&gomrst GtWestn BB 4 - 84 89 i ill ''' at 100 -0. A - -ern .. 89 - 90 89i 90 Lit. 4 0 0 0.: B . 8 8 t fek ............ 74 - 75 __.___.----- b ad MINES. itt ioPt ZI• 1.00 ~e t Sth I ,`" e k •... • . 123 - 175 1244 f oile d ' ''. 100 "reat ii" e st.(fre.) 92 -91 - 1 all Agua Fria a ••• 13 . $ l, D s. 'astern .. 64 1 all Anglo Austrlia. Gold Of 6ei • 12 o Stour v a l ...... -"i Gli a 10s. all Anglo Californian ... i- i i 6 01 to al] tri tut. s tk.. • Rail o tin' t 20 6 Australian • 1 - 11 ils th e 11 all, 1,,„ 81 ' S outh, E •• 58 -60 1 all Australian Cordillera ... - ... 130 1 6 14 n eap . aste rn . .. .... ... , St. 7 t .o.,„ uirda a Carlisle 65 -70 1 all Ave Maria --- tOr 1 all Baden (Gd. Duchy of) I - i O, , 100 °. Ne - .... 5 - 7 D 3 T wrh ,.._ , • .... 50 all Bhenarvon Iron and ;1), ' l3 rod s ' 20 i ii,7 4 4ll..a nc ry' m ••••• 5 7 Coal _ - 6 op ~ i ii at v... 0. 900 ), _orksh 764 - -76 i 761 20 13.5 British Iron 4 - 6 the ti i ge 0 .11 C o v•ersb 'iningUn 35 254 Brazilianlmp.(issued et . tbe) ' l OO Mo 744 Sauth t S t. 1 113 4 n & Iliac P - 4 . - - at £5 pm.) - 3 for el. 20 „ Lo d .4 „ ht klval 7, -- 7 4 7 4 30 all Do. Cocaes & Cuiab3 21 - 3 40 1 10 16 11 114. arid S.Cst 98 -99 98 for- , 12 , s i 0 0. pi ftha ll- Weetn. 98 - 984 i 20 15 Do. St. John Del Rey 31. -33 shtl ien 1 1 Carson's Creek i- I 3 of t b : 80 24 / 1 ° • 1 01.81 1 :;,•, ........ icl - id 1 i Clarendon Cons. Min, O ° ao 10 0 t:' EightiZk ß •• c - id Co. of Jamaica I- id I t o 42A , Ado llair , . z , ...... 1-i .i 1 i to all Cobre Copper 54 -56 rob le o f 25 34 ij ° •) 450 .... W estn. 80 - 81 81 5 1 Colonial Gold a - a ori e° WO 25 %II . 0.. 440 ............. 104 • 911 St. all Copper Min. of Eng. 30 - 40 e all 14(I ncirr ........ 94 - sid 25 all Do. Pref. 7/ p. cent. d - par Sic l°Bl % il k 100 Ita lata d r 4 . 4l & oo t lera . in - e . ... - ... 16 Copiapo 2L - 24 OP ° 81 21 all D o ch•e1ie.,,,11,1.1i81, • - - :. 004 5 all English and Austin. 0 is wi g ii is° . i Shares, mein 23 - iii 231 4 Copper Smeltg (I‘ , 11 -11 AO i b t : 100" .."....,11, 11. 4 .7, 8 ! No. I 7 - 8 to ~1 2 1 Fortuna par -1p 0 0 ' 1 60 • 10 0 i7 (ll and ' ull • Ua. ~.. . - .. 20 all General 144 - 161 )0 , , be ts ~ o.timul.g. ............. 6u - 691 69 1 1 1 all Gt.NuggetVeinßeg. 1 - 1 fool le tOOP 10 0 231 I , l cllti G ~, wee Derby 10 - 42 1,10 . • west 44 all Great Polgooth - 11 13, A , to 14 , 1 , b e e Car „. _ k 8. ‘1 .l 1 : Share ( i i i :7 o ) . ". - :*: 1 all Liberty ,e • - .. 131, a Do to 210, 1 weaatl & 8 ...... ••• - 3 all Linares - 74 reo t o 5 1 Lusitanian 1- IP ilioPllo'g. , Ff all N ew & E . rfd 11 - 9 1 all Mariquita - 13 itb , A lit wa nintakillet t 1/ - 2 1 all New Granada - i a r e r ' t i 15 2 4 % 0 11 4 Itostrel'e nP°int 1 all Now Linares Mining iv 0 " eIN -.elk v0r..„... ... _ ... and Smelting Co .. - . i l e etio ti j 1 8 . 10 0 Ne ortl in. 6 o .... .. ........ 47 -49 1 all Nouveau Monde i--i • 4 0 V P ' It 41 N rth 13 Iijir "Un. - - 20 all Pontgibaud Silver bar 8 %II Do t lev ......... 274 ••• 281 Lead Min. & Smelt. 141 - 151 ivy d i d on N 8 ail 0 •, O. 2 , o. 1 ... 5 1 Port Philip 1 - i ilrf 1 -• et, a ll e'l t A D eferred ... .......... ... - ... 1 all Quartz Rock - i IC . z i 100 . 0., Ti erred ... _ ... 50 all Rhymney Iron l9 - 21 I G O , 26 Guarantee dg.t..Bterti 15 all Do. New 5 - 6 oog rA tiff 50 1 b ° o . do. E xte l3 ' rw iel , 71 -- i . 704 39 126 Santiago de Cuba 54 - 64 10 - t S. tii _ o .,l o.o.. _n_sion . . 71 - 7ri 1 all South A ustralian R - 4 4 red ei) K t : (00 P . I„,, e , i f: .E. Pureci. 44 - 34 10 71 Tin Croft . - 3 28i all United Mexican /- 0 00 17 all 9 0 0. y o `. 3 .............. 121 - 13 re6l - 61 tbi 9l‘ itA, 8.11 .1!T r i ll PK•_ ............ 47 48 1 all Wailer sv ll s 20. N o 7 11 „1 11 _n ........ 48 - 50 i - i , ,„t 1 all West Mariposa 4 - I sv--. 0 n% 2 1 N.o. w . i ro ......... 1d - par 1 12s. Worthing Mining of i • 0 0 k 17i z r!ead, an( l in•Jiarap- Australia - ... ,I.ol t 10 MI ertl i s ta ,, City Jn., id -s / 1 all Yuba . -- . at 1" j o k i ;ON, we : t ordshire., 51 - 44 12/ 1 lceP 1 t i e &S. w ee er n • . ..... 6 - 64 PREFERENCE SHARES. n a the B t. nte a t on ' ,l2 •Junc. 1d - par bo /e 100 and L e . . 11 inckley, St. 1100 Aberdeen lO2 - 104 l' jolt pang 'ceder St. 100 Do. N 0.2, 7p. a-. 89 -91 / 41 0 t o ~ord _ Nv _ e ........ ... - ••• 25 all alyth and Tyne 1 Opel P re° tO ti t. jol,,: ria 're ster,S E c. pref. (issd. at 50/) ... -• .. pl c lit , 100 corto, a nlPton .... 251 - 264 too geott• ou th .... - St. 100 Bris. & Ex. 4p.c. St 92 -94 - rd l sB at, t • 1 .4 Centre] ...... gi - 100 981 t o 00 B '..tti. h tok 1 . 501 20 1, nroirti m er: id l l i a zdon ... 64 -66 20 5 Do. 4p. c. Shares . , ... St. 100 ialedonian .£lO 9 6. -98 to 0 i Ag 15 all , Thester & Holyhead r ev- 0 0 44 - 46 45 Guar. 54 per cent ... - ... Ore Of 20 111 70 4th Ea ste rn - n 91 all Do. do. Pref. No. 2_ ... - ... 03_ 0 4 20 15 a Ilth NI? 591 6 0 TO d k 1., 1 ._ ales 27 -28 24 all Do. do. Pref. No. 2.. ... - • 6 11Ie a I° l B . li Pc..." 11 . 4 1Riv. Dun 5 - 3 61 all Cork &Bandons4p.e. 21 - 31 21 3 - 1 64 all Dun.Prth ,&Aber.J. 54 - 6 oill'o al ; 44413 :e " 8w" io, t tock.? ok &Wok ... - 10 2 74. Ang li an Cl,. A Sh. ... - ... S i d 13„ ,n , . i"1 a 'ea • 3 i t os AO 'OO . lt•Att,„ & Darliu 36 - 38 St. 100 Do. do. C's. B6p. c. ... - ... Sid l3 „% ti g t • Q n & Hartlepl. ... - , „ St. 100 Do. do. Cls. C7p. c. ... - ... 11? 1 00 r, ° - kio a .... - ... 64 all Eastern Counties Ex ftw I i 211 1 , P rot hares 0 0 •• - ..• tension, p. c. No. 1 -1 p Pm g / f t " 20 - "* . ea ENO . 1 1 1 of 20 )41 4 44 .1. Vetir a n toosi; • .. iso ell - or t efay .. 10 all Do. New 6 r . c. St. 12 - 134 13 ch ;jot 'Wet %Ai l ....... ~ - , 20 all East 1.1 n., G. 6p. c. ... - ... 20 all Wt e --4 . k . • " Of 00 ,18 w a rfo 1 (03Z ...... 17t 9 184 5 all Do. 51., 10 per cent. ... - ... iIP, iib e 10 I est M 444 , 44 141 15 Iv Cor ti ri, k 3L. 44 10 all Do. 10. Debentr.Sh. ... - ... ea, •,. Wan '-' St. all Do. do. 4 per cent... ... - ... St. 1100 Aberdeen lO2 104 St. 100 Do. N 0.2, 7p. c. 25 all alythandTynelOpel c. pref. (issd. at 50/) ... • „ St. 100 Eris. & Ex. 4p. c. St. 92 94 20 5 Do. 4p. c. Shares St. 100 ; laledonian £lO 96 98 15 all 'Mester & Holyhead Guar. 5i per cent ... „.. 91 all Do. do. l'ref. No. 2_ ... ... 24 all Do. do. Pref. No. 2 ... • ti all Cork ittßandonsip.c 2i 3 4 2 i q i all Dun.Prth A Aber.J 54 6 10 2 Z. Anglian Cis. ASh ... ... St. 100 Do. do. C's. B6p. c ... ... St. 100 Do. do. Cis. C7p. c ... ... t all Eastern Counties Ex tension, sp. c. No. l 1 p 6i al Do. No. 2 — i p 10 all Do. New 6 r . c. St. 12 131 13 20 all East Un., G. 6p. c. ... ... 5 all Do. 51., 10 per cent. ... -- ... 10 all Do. 101. Debentr.Sh. ... .. St. all Do. do. 4 per cent... ... ... St. 100 East Lancash.6p.cts. ... 5 all E.&W. York. J. sths St. all Ed. Prth.&Dun.4p.c. 58 62 20 all Furness. — ... 3t. lo' Glas. &5.W.G.5 p. c. . . ...a 1 St. 100 Great Northn. sp. c. 114 116 109 iii St. 100 Do. sp. c. Redeem., at 10 p. c. prem... 108 110 St. 100 ')o. 44 p. c lOO -- 102 12i 5. Do. 5 p.c. Scrip, Red 45p. n• Pm... _ 10 all 'R.N. of Scot. lst Fret ... ... St. 100 'it. S. aW. (Ireland) ... ... 20 9 Do. 4 per c. Pref. St ... ... 50 6 Gt. Wostn. (Berke & Rants Ex. sp. c) 6 6'l St. 100 Do.con. red. 41 p.c 96 98 St. 100 Do. con. r ed. 4 p . c BB 90 St. 100 Do. irred. 4p.c. 8 all Do. Birm. Pref. Sh lO —ll 10 10 all Do. Cnester Bp. e.P. S. 17 —17 i 10 all Do. do. sp.c.do lO 10. i St. 1;1C Do. Birm. Gua. Stk 72 74 2631 all Do. Ches. Gua. Sh l9i —19 i 13i 1 all Do. do. do.. ....•••••• 9$ —9k 20 all Do. do. do ... . ••• 1 14i 141 16 6 Lan. & York. F. Xi) . 1 i St. 100 Do. 6p. c. Stock St. 100 Lon. &13righ. G. 5 p.c. ... ... St. 100 Do. Pref„ sp. c. St. ... ... St. 100 Do. New Guar. 6 p. c ... ... 137 St. WO Do. do. 5 per cont •.. ~. St. 100 Lon. SOT. W., Coy. 6 Nuneaton sp. ct ... ... 50 F Lon. &S. W. Con.3d , 2i 31 121 all Londy. & Clo;er. 1 Sh. ... ••• 124 all Londy. & Ennis. 4 S i>. ... .. 10 all Nian., Shef., & Lin. New, £lO l2l 12 6 41 Do. £6 —P 12 all 'illarypt.& Carl. 4 p e ... ... 12 all Du. 44 por cent • •.. 12, lti Do St. 10 0 vfid. C onsol . 6 p.c.St _. „. St. WO Do. Consol. Bristol it 6 per curt. St. n f t. la __ 96 136 St. 100 D i o lirm. p. C. p .4i 16; 11*, in). Pref. 44 , per ceo 1 i I 5 all Do. 51. Pri.f. 4p. c.. 4 4} St. 100 Dittoitc, , L w e i i c p , iz st 10 10 Norfolk Debenture • ... •„ St. ;00 Do. Pref. 4 p . c. Stec` S 5 —B7 St. 100 Do. 5 p.c. Eat lO3 105 St. 100 Do. q per et.pret.••• ... .„, . St. 100 Do. Way. Val. s p. c. .. ••: St. .00 North British 93 100 St, 100 v. E. Berw , 4 p.c. P 90 — 92 911 f e r S t and. . . il . .. . . . . 17 5 Do. do. do 3l 31 20 13 Do Leeds 6 p.c ...No.l ... ... 124 9 Dc. do. Quarters , P , .. 25 10 Do. York h.& 4. Pr r. 4 t d 20 all North Staffordshire.. ... ... St. 100 Oxford, Worcester, t; Wolverh.,£ls, 6 p.c 100 102 84 all Scot. Cent. , New Pro .., ... 25 all South Devon l3 —l4 10 1i Do. fixed, 4i per cent id pal 1.0.6 all S. Eastern (Reading &nn.) of £1 Os. 6d. 221 23 St. 100 Do. 4i per cent 97 —99 20 all 3 Wales Gun,. 4p. c ... ... 161 17' 20 all Do. do. 4i p. c.... ... ..„ 20 all •A. Yorksh.4p.c.Guar. 15 —l7 25 all Stock. & Dar., sp. c. ... • _. 25 15 Do. do. do. 1 —2 p 124 all Stock. & Hartl. g. S p. c. till July 1, '56 _. 5 I 4 W. , tei fd. 8: Kilk. 6p c 21 —21 d est E n d 'Wall, .. • and r 0r , .. . 4 Lottdo t t.... Crystal Palace.. W est Loudok .. . .. ... imblefln &Oroidon i* 1 ii. 4 - gi. all 4 10 28. FOR: ... per _.,,,,,, Re vere t LAIL Jun—e• neziett to Graissessac totebay, taroda, and ~„ Central IndiasSerip t'elltral of Italy ..... beroentra ...... .. Demerara Rherish.. .. DN.aatern of France ... o. New . . ........... teat Indiau. g, sp. e. ~, Do EE.ension....• 13°.4i P. e. D s o. &la., Pay. , convertible ...... do. do. '59, d o.. (~I,k of nads.A is 1-'O. St. Lawrence & „Atlantic do. .. . ..... Cert. ofdeben con. into Sttill '63 Do eorop. 6 . c., n de at. O entral of prao Ot. Indian Penins guar. 5 per cent. ula ... Do. New 5 per cent Gr eat at Do. Rensions....... Duaereb'ilr' „„ Constituted Share uo. Obligations ....... lat• Western of Canad ~, fires . .......... "°. &Is•, payable's7, Dodo With op . tion till '55.. , '62 p. '56 b do., 76, p. '6O Do. do, .73, without option„............ Nllatnilton lz Toronto . 6 per cent. . .... Lake ,00d & Basle tnlCelt 4 Pistoj a 513. e LP ref.......... 4na and Geneva ... kO4. 4 Rediterran. a draa . .............. Do. ew: D 0,.. .............. „,/laria Antonia ...- e. do New ......... l`farenr (St Liege Oriti interest) ............. bo. (e in ...... Norther!). of France. Do .20/. Sbs.late Char leroi and ate ttlar. 3R p. c. & rod. at 22A/. (lux 88 Yrs' ,rotni Jan. 1854... "0. 2 0/. 3 P. c Bar 5ky.11.4 kne.Sha.) ?ariaA OrWegiatTrUnkPref and Lyons ...... Ditto gouda ..... ...Paris and Orleans-- Paris and Ronan. Paricaen dt Cherbrg. %Alen andliavre..... Aoyal banish ......... toyalgwedish Men,...... krQbre arid N. Si P. cent. P r of,z Seind3 ........ ,„ • - uthAndrew' . of of France.. St. ‘,..gnebec (&) ........ s and "est W este . L 1)0 4 per C. P ref. .. 1 War;, of ila of France -1 ..... S witzerland Wistsba.deu ....... Zeala nd ,_____ 7 i - 7i 31 - 2 I -IP 2 — ld 35 —35 i 7 8 24 244 21 2ip 91 - gi 1 5 - 16 49 51-1 88 - 90 - 2 • - t • 4P tP 2/ -- 3 1 9i -2 0 i 9 9 - 101 99 - 101 103 -• 105 '9B 1001 20i -21 i 102 - 105 -- di• 2 4 -- 3ip 1p 4 ti 54 -6; 35 = 35 4 13 - 13, 241 - 25 , 45 471 , 39 41 ••• ro P I 21i 22i 2 d -- ip 7 8 li - 2i; ... - pm 5 4 IW.,teifd.&Kiik.bpcj zi ztul DL ISt; ELL A.NEOUS. 25 17* Australian Agricult. 28 30 29 10 all Aus:;raln. Royal Mail• 10 7 Berlin Water Works 3i 3 d 50 40 Brit. American Land 5 1 Brit. & Coln. Smeltg. and Reduction Co. 110 115 100 32* Canada St. 100 Canada Gov. 6p. Jan. and July et 109 109.. 3* 31 5 all Crystal Palace. 5 4 Do. Preference * 4 all Crystal Pal.of France 1 # Dnston Iron Or e 20 8* Eastern Stea m ..• •• 25 22 Electric Telegraph l6 17 1 all Electric Teleg. of Ir — ••• 15 14 Gen. Steam Navignt ••• , 20 all General Screw Steam ... —1 3 i 20 10 Irish Beetroot Sugar ••• 20 10 Magdalena St. Navig 10 all Mediteran. Elec. Tel. ... 10 9 lexican&S.Americn. 6 10 2* 1 , .. New ••• 1 all Nat. Pat. Steam Fuel .71 10 5 Netherlands Land 3.4 2 1 N. S. W. Coal & Inter. Steam Navigat. Co. .•, .* 1 all N. B Australasian... -- 20 15 N rth. Europe& .an , 5 all Peel Rr. I.d. & Minrl. 2i 21 50 all Peninsular& Oriental 59 61 50 10 Do. New.,,, 111 111 2 all Portland iron C 0,.,,, 11 14 100 60 Royal Mail Steam ... 68 70 691 1 all Scot. Austral. Invest. 1 11 1 i• Ditto New... .......... 25 all ',oath Austral. Land, 36 38 1 all Submar. Tel. Scrip_ t 1 all • -:•• 1 20 Tr st 28* Van Diemen's Law) I'3 ••• -- ..• 3i - 4 5 - 6-1) 18 - fi, 80 -- 82 ••• ••- •• 1d....i•d li ° vtab ro , to FA) Of t 0 of A t. P cl tb° Do ( j # 1 , 0 1,, f e( a ° ;t ie°, # Ord cP P r 0 11 • lo t ' o ar 00- 1 id 1 6] 20 11 d ••• ... 32 - 34 39 - 41' 08 - 70 7i 8 ••• ••• 13 ••••• 141, -,' is. . 0 11 , 1T-s! Cstrala-Z... Bank llritish Colonial and Idoan ComPan:' L ritbila N. America' Oilartd. Bank of ABU' ehrtd. } lnk. of India, nsrali a, gg China Colouial ......... .... Conarnercial of Lon& t liglit,ll .cottiell and kllertralian Chart.. Load. Chart. Bk. 01 Aastralia • ............ Ditto New • ........... on and County.. London Joint Stock.. Load. & Weetminster National Provincil' bDot Xngland ......... o. New . . ............ 1 National of Ireland.. liew Routh 'Wales... urientai Bank of . OcrAoration. ........ _rrovincial of Ireland 00. New ......... . . • .. RoYal Auntraln•Ekif. & gold ImP Co' i mth Australia ...... ;Jaion of Australia-. ),•• Now . . ......... thton of I,undon ‘,... ..4 10 2 2i 1 41 itll 61 6 204 I 80 1 T'H'E SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY VENING, MAY 11, 1855. EMPERLALL P RLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. UNION OF CONTIGUOUS BENEFICES IN CITIES BILL. The Bishop of LONDON proposed the second read ing of this Bill. Lord CAMPBELL presented two petitions from Worcester, in „favour of the legalisation of marriage with a deceased wife's sister. The noble lord stated ho did not agree with the prayer of the petitioners. Earl FITZ HARDING presented petitions from Gloucestershire against church rates. Lord BERNERS presented petitions from Somerset shire, and other counties in England, against the May nooth grant. SECOND READINGS. The Birmingham Water Bill and the Jedburgh Rail way Bill were severally read a second time. The Rotherham Gas Bill was read a third time and passed. THE VIENNA CONFERENCE. - - - . Earl GREY gave notice that, on Monday week, he should move an humble address be presented to her Ma jesty, thanking her Majesty for having ordered the pro tocols and other papers connected with the recent con ferenr.e at Vienna to be laid before them, and to inform her Majesty that they deeply deplore the failures of the attempt, by those negotiations, to bring the war to a happy conclusion, and to express their lordships' opinion that the proposals made on the part of Russia were of such a nature as might have been acceded to by the other powers concerned, as tending to lead to the object for which arms were originally taken up. (Hear, hear.) AFFIRMATIONS (SCOTLAND) BILL. On the motion of Lord CAMPBELL their lordships went into committee on this bill. The Earl of WICKLOW complained that the pro ♦isions of this bill did not extend to Ireland. The bill passed through committee. FISHERIES (BRITISH ISLANDS AND FRANCE; BILL. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY moved the second reading of this bill, the object of which was to enforce more closely the provisions of a treaty entered into with France by this country in 1849 in reference to fisheries. THE SEBASTOPOL COMMITTEE. --- A message was brought up by Mr. ROEBUCK, and other members of the committee, asking permission for the attendance of the Earl of Aberdeen. The LORD CHANCELLOR said their lordships would send an answer by a messenger of their own. The Earl of WICKLOW said he would not oppose the second reading of this bill, but he hoped that the progress of it would be delayed in order that the fish ermen and fishmongers of England might have an op portunity of presenting petitions against the bill. After a few words from the Earl of MALMESBURY and Lord CAMPBELL, The bill was read a second time. TRANSFER OF CHURCH PATRONAGE. The Earl of HARROWBY moved the second read ing of this bill, which was one to allow patronage to be disposed of in order to augment small livings and to facilitate the transfer of Church property generally. A short discussion, in which Lord REDESDALE and the Bishop of OXFORD took part, ensued, and the bill was read a second time. INCOME TAX BILL. On the motion of Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY this bill was read a third time and plssed. LAND IMPROVEMENT COMPANIES. The Earl of SALISBURY moved for a select com mittee to consider whether it would not be desirable that the powers now vested in the companies for the im• provement of land should be made a subject of general regulation. Agreed to. Leave was then given to the Earl of Aberdeen to attand the Committee on the Army before Sebastopol. Their lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS-YESTERDAY. The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. The following bills were read a third time and passed : —Folkestone Improvement, Hyde Gas (No. 3), Liver pool Corporation Water ; Londonderry Improvement, Newcaste-under-Lyme Gas, and Paisley Burgh Bills. The Limerick and Castleconnell Railway Bill was considered, and ordered to be read a third time. PETITIONS. Petitions were presented by Sir J. WALMSLEY, from various places in Leicester hire, in favour of the Mar riages Bill, against the Maynooth grant, and for the abolition of church rates ; by Sir STAFFORD NORTHCOTE, several petitions from Dudley against the Sunday Beer Bill, and in favour of the abolition of church rates ; by Mr. ROEBUCK, from Sheffield, in favour of Sir J. Pak ington's Education Bill ; by Mr. MIALL, a number of petitions from various places, praying for the abolition of church rates ;by Mr. ELLICE, from the Liverpool Improvement Society, praying for the further extension of education ; by Mr. BRIGHT, several petitions from Rochdale and other places in Yorkshire, in favour of closing public-houses on Sundays, and for the abolition of church rates ; by Mr. PHINN, from Bath, in favour of the Marriage Bill. PATENTS FOR INVENTIONS. Sir J. SHELLEY moved for a return of the names and addresses of all' persons who had petitioned the Lord Chancellor to extend the time limited for proceed ing with their patents by the rules and regulations of the Commissioners of Patents for Inventions, stating whether no order, or any and what order was made in each case. The return was ordered. MAYOR'S COURT, BIRMINGHAM. On the motion of Mr. CRAUFURD a return was ordered, of the number of causes entered in the Mayor's Court, Birmingham, and the total amount of money sued for, in each of the years 1852 , 1853, an d 1854 re spectively, distinguishing in each year the number of causes entered for sums above 201. THE SHIP OSTGEE. Sir G. B. PECHELL asked the First Lord of the Admiralty if his attention had been called to the case of the ship Ostgee, seized by her Majesty's ship Alban, for breach of blockade, and restored without costs by de cree of the Admiralty Court, but on appeal, costs and damages were awarded against the captain of the Alban ; and inquired if the officers of her Majesty's ships, under such circumstances, were to be held responsible for such expenses Sir C. WOOD replied no application had ye% been made to him by the parties, and until that was done he had rather not enter into the question. CHAPLAINS FOR THE NAVAL BRIGADE. In reply t the Marquis of BLANDFORD, Sir C. WOOD said he had stated on a former occa sion that an arrangement had been made with the Ad miral in the Bl tck Sea, to provide a chaplain for the naval brigade if he should consider it desirable. He had not heard whether any steps had been taken with that view. THE UNITED STATES AND PARIS INDUS- TRIAL EXHIBITIONS. Mr. HEADLAM asked the Vice-President of the Board of Trade, whether any correspondence had taken place concerning the return duty free of articles sent to the Exhibition in the United States ; and whether he could state what arrangements had been made with the French Government concerning the transmission and re turn of articles sent to the Exhibition at Paris? Mr. BOUVERIE said, with respect to the New York Exhibition, the Government had never undertaken any responsibility with regard to the transmission of articles, and knew nothing of the goods sent there. With respect to the Paris Exhibition the arrangement made was this : —There were two classes of articles exhibited there con nected with industry, and those associated with the fine arts. The arrangement relative to the former was that the exhibitors should deposit them at some wharf in the city, and the Government then undertook to con vey them to the French frontier ; whence the French Government had guaranteed to convey them safely to France. The arrangement for the return would, of course, be the converse. The arrangement in regard to fine arts was similar, the only difference being that the Government undertook, in the latter case, all risk of conveyance. In reference to industrial articles the risk was undertaken by the exhibitors. VICTORIA PARK. In reply to Mr. BUTLER, Sir W. MOLESWORTH said the Government usu ally, in cases of public parks, purchased more land than was required for the area of the park, and that had been done in the case of Victoria as well as the other parks. THE ALDERSHOT ENCAMPMENT. In reply to Mr. BELLEW, Mr. PEEL said it was not intended to keep the troops in buts at Aldershot during the winter, but pre parations were being made to procure houses as barracks for them. LORD DUNDONALD'S PLANS. In reply to Mr. FRENCH, Lord PALMERSTON said the subject of Lord Dun donald's plans was at present under the consideration of scientific men, but he thought it advisable not to enter into the subject at present. In reply to Sir J. PAKINGTON, The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said with respect to Church discipline, which at present was a subject of great reproach, a bill on that subject was prepared by him, or at least under his direction, at the same time as the Testamentary Jurisdiction Bill. When the bill was introduced it had not been submitted to the Go ♦ernment. It had since been submitted to them, and they thought it right that the opinion of the right rev. prelates should be had on it. It had been submitted to them accordingly, and they had not yet returned it; but he could state the bill was prepared on the principle of treating tho Churches of England and Ireland as one Church, and he was not aware of any other legal prin ciple on which it could he framed. (Rear, hear.) With regard to the time for the introductmn of the bill, the house would see it was impossible for him to say when it could be brought in. It could not be brought in be fore the second reading of the Testamentary Jurisdic tion Bill, seeing they were in the middle of an adjourned debate on that bill. But he hoped it would be brought in before the third reading of the latter bill. The Government had not the slightest intention of abandoning the Tes tamentary Jurisdiction Bill. It was impossible they could have the second reading of that bill to-morrow, but certainly they should have it on the first opportunity when the more pressing business of Government would (Hear.) Witt7regard to the Matrimonial Di vorce B 11, it bad been prepared in time for the second reading of the Testamentary Jurisdiction Bill, but the Same causes that delayed the other bills operated also with regard to it. (Hear.) THE CANDIA TRANSPORT. Mr. MOODY asked the Under-Secretary for War the cause of the detention of the Cand:a; and whether demurrage v.a,s to he paid, aod, if any, to what amount per day, and from what date for such detention; also, whether any special report as to her sea-worthiness had been recently made, that the lives of those sent out in her might not be endang ere d. Mr. F. PEEra said that, according to the information he had received, the detention of the vessel was caused by an opinion expressed by the officers at Woolwich un favourable to the manner in which she bad been fitted up. In consequence of that opinion, the members of the transport board inspected the vessel, and satisfied themselves that there was no ground for apprehension on that score, and accordingly the vessel had proceeded to sea, after a detention of four or five days only. No demurrage bad been paid, as the vessel was a hired one. THE CANTERBURY DUEL. In reply to Mr. 0. STANLEY, - Mr. F. PEEL said he believed an investigation was now being made into the circumstances attending the late tranqactions at Canterbury, and the hostile meeting, or " mock duel," as it had been termed, between two officers of the Enniskillen Dragoons. As he had, how ever, no intimation that the hon. member would put sulk a question to-day, and was consequently not pre pared to 3nswer it satisfactorily, he would beg its post ponement until to-morrow, Mr. STANLEY said he would renew the question to morrow. THE VIENNA NEGOTIATIONS. Mr. BRIGHT said he wished to ask the noble lord at the head of the Government a question arising out of the protocols which had been laid upon the table of the house. He observed in the last protocol that there was a passage which gave the opinion of the Austrian Go vernment with regard to the Russian propositions for peace. The Austrian minister stated that the propositions seemed to him to admit of a practical application,' that i t admitted, at all events, of discussion, and contained all the elements out of which Austria would endeavour to offer something which might lead to a settlement of the question now at issue. He wished to ask the noble lord whether Austria had submitted any proposition since the 26th April, which was the date of the last pro tocol, and whether he would be able to lay that proposi tion before the house as distilictly as the other propositions had been laid / He should like also to ask whether any other proposition— and there was a strong rumour of one having coma from Paris—had been received ; and further, if they were to understand that the nego tiations were formally closed ? He did so, because he should not like to bring forward any motion relative to the negotiations if he thought they were not absolutely terminated. (Hear, hear.) Lord PALMERSTON said there had been no formal . or written proposal from Austria of the nature alluded to by the hon. gentleman. Verbal communications had passed between the representatives of the Austrian Go vernment and those of the English and French Govern ments, and also between the representatives of the French and English Governments; buthe was sure the hon. gentleman would perceive that in the relations subsisting between the two Governments it would not be at all advantageous to give a detailed explanation with regard to them. With respect to the question as to the nego tiations being entirely broken off, his answer would be similar to that he had given on a former occasion— namely, that there were the elements of a Conference still at Vienna, in the persons of the Ministers of Britain, France, Austria; and Turkey, and there fore, if at any time propositions should be made by Russia directly, or by Austria on her behalf, which appeared to alter the state of affairs, or to offer a fair prospect of bringing the negotiations to a successful termination—there were the means and elements for receiving them still at Vienna. Mr. BRIGHT wished to know whether the house was to understand that the matter was in such a condition that any motion with regard to those negotiations, and the fullest discussion of them would not be opposed by the Government as prejudicial t i the public service. Lord PALMERSTON said the hon. gentleman must We his own discretion with regard to that point. If his (Lord Palmerston's) opinion was asked, he did not think any public advantage would arise, but lie could imagine that certain inconvenience might result from the Government being compelled in the present state of things to enter into a detailed discussion upon what had passed. That was his own opinion, but he did not presume to dictate to the hon. gentleman. Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice on the part of her Majesty's Government that it was his intention to in troduce two bills with reference to the constitution, &c., of Australia. Mr. DISRAELI asked the noble lord at the head of her Majesty's Government if he understood the noble lord to say that the business of the house would com mence to-morrow with the adjourned debate on the newspaper stamp, and the financial measures after ? Lord PALMERSTON—Yes. THE INDIAN ARMY. Sir E. PERRY rose to move, in pursuance of notice, for a select committee to consider and inquire how the army of India may be made most available for the war in Europe, and to inquire into the steps necessary to be taken if it should be deemed expedient to constitute the army of the East India Company a royal army. He said he had now to bring forward a motion which had stood on the paper for some weeks, and which the noble lord at the head of the Government had thought of sufficient public interest to warrant his allowing him to bring it on in preference to the Government orders. As the motion had been in same degree changed in its terms, he thought it desirable that he should state, before he proceeded to speak of its merits, what the motion actually was. His object being essen tially inquiry, he had asked several members of the house what they considered the best method of obtaining an impartial inquiry into the facts of the case, and he found them unanimously of *pinion, that for that pur pose there was nothing to be compared to the appoint ment of a select committee. He was also informed that his subject being a military one, it would conduce to his success to ask for a royal commission. He framed his mo tion in accordance with that view ; but when he came down to the house on the evening on which the subject was fixed for discussion, he found that her Illajesty's Go vernment were about to oppose his motion, on the ground that what he asked for was a royal commission, and not the more c onstitutional tribunal of a select committee of that house. Accordingly, he re-changed the motion to its original state, and he was confirmed in his opinion that that was the best course, by the fact that the bon. and gallant member for Westminster, who would second h is motion thatevenin g , considered that the royal commission which had sat u p on the army had proved utterly inadequate to the purposes in view. He ought perhaps to apologise to the house for introducing a subject which might perhaps in many re spects have been more adequately treated by a military man • but his excuse for doing so was that in India he had had opportunities of becoming practically ac quainted with the civil and military organisation of the country. He assured the house that he had no other ob ject than that of developing the resources of the empire, and strengthening the relations between England and In dia. He regarded the subject as one which was at the present time peculiarly fit for inquiry. Even the answers which they had hoard that night to the questions put by the hon, member for Manchester, confirmed him in the impression that it became them all to brace up their minds for a struggle from which it was impossible for them to withdraw without disgrace. If this war was to last— and that it would last was a possibility which everybody was contemplating—he affirmed boldly that they must look to the Indian army for reinforcements. It was obvious that India was a country which had great military resources • and unless the difficulties which p r esented themselves were insuperable, they ought to be employed in an emergency like the present. If the house would allow him, he would enter into some details as to the strength of the Indian army, and as to its organisation and efficiency ; and he could assure the house that such details were by no means within the reach of superficial inquirers. Even now, al though he had given his best attention to the subject for many weeks past, he was not in a position to give an accu rate statement as to the total military force of India. The late Sir Charles Napier, soon after accepting the post of C o mmander-in - Chief in India, endeavoured to ascertain what was the amount of force placed under his command, and he (Sir E. Perry) heard him state that, after having summed np the force to the amount of 400,000 men, he found that there were still troops to be enumerated, and gave up the task in despair. During the last few weeks he had moved for a return with the view of obtaining accurate information , b ut that return did not su pp l y all the facts which he desired to lay before the house. He had g one, therefore, to Parliam entar y returns which contained in formation here and there on this subject, and ho would now give as complete a statement as ho could as to what the amounted to 289,529 men. This military force at the disposal of the Eas h t, o ln fo d u ia nd C t o h m a p t a t n h y e t l laid p a y before of really was. Takingi,ame Indiant in h g e ltahasf affairs aQi rus return, eieonlB 8 33 which , troops %Pia: thete Indian E as army, Indian committee company, force included about 30,000 Europeans in the service of at the expense of the Queen, and 20,000 in the servic e of the East India Company. The cont in g ents su pp lie d by native princes numbe r and raised the total to 349,000 men ; and including 35 batta lions of militia, and othe r forces, t he result at which he arrived was, that the re were alto g et her 45 7,000 men, and 12,00020.596 oo offitmer . 'Phis v the French army in 1 , ,52. In that yea r th e army of France nu mbered 377,00 0 men , and 19,604 officers, who were officers, who xow,eordeedmaintained the maintained at au expense of 12,340,000/. ; so that the num ber of the Indian army at tied time exceeded that of the French army by nearly 100,000 men, while the excess of cost was 8,001,000/. It is well known that the army in India was divided i nto three dis tinct arms, each arm having a separate commander-in-chief, and a separate staff. The commander•in-chief of, the Company's was also conainander-in-ceie, of her Majesty's army Majesty's regiments in India. lie begged the attention of the the house to the remark which he was about to make, as it would show what was the fundamental principle of the Government of India. The large army w as placed entirely under the control of the civil power; the Governor-Gene ral was supreme over it ; all its movements r es t e d exclu sively with him ; and, as the late Sir Charles Napier forci bly observed, the Commander - in - Chief in I n di a was no . thing more than a monstrous adjutant-gener a l. The house ne louse would observe here an embodiment of the principle distinguished the governments of modern from which those of ancient times—the principle, namely, that the army be subservient to the civil authority in the State should now to touch upon the efficiency of the army which he had described ; and in order to guard himself against the e had pre sumption of attempting to speak on military t c like that, be trusted the house would allow him topi short extracts which he had culled from Parliamentary some documents, and at the same time to state that he had b careful to select the opinions only of men connected with her Majesty's service. The first extract which 1 ed with read was from a speech delivered in 1813 by the le should Wellesley in the House of Lords a v Marquis rested too much on the footing of profit, aeithror°,' in India to honours at h o me. An army more f u ll than th e t army in reference India, of hon our , loyalty, and valo ur, h e had never seen, would and he could no t h av e conceived th a t it under any authority have become otherwise. • • • But it did hap pen, somehow or other, that the officers of the army in In dia were not held forward to public view as m officers in oth er p ar t s of the world, and they feltu ah as that othe services ho nour and dis motions were conferr e d for vices not more meritorious cr important than their own, which were de! ... flied ed to them." And, a little later, he said :—" He had had igreat opportunities of trying them (the Indian army) un der great difficulties and privations, at a distance from their homes and families, and yet their zeal and energy never abated. In the wars of Mysore and Egypt, the native troops did not hesitate to embark in ships, al though that was contrary to their usages and prej a dices ; and the reason that they so cordially consented to embark was from seeing that there was no compulsion. He would now cite the opinion of that gallant officer to whom he had already referred—the late Sir C. Napier. He ought to observe that that gallant officer went out to India with the strongest prejudice against the East India Com pany and everything connected with it, and unfortunately *he committed hiniself to print; but, after having served in several campaigns with the Indian army, and gained for himself immortal honours by the victories obtained while he was at their head, this was the opinion which he gave: —" My opinion of the army generally is, that it is a very fine army. The Indian artillery I really think is the most effective artillery in the world. Its practice is admirable. I have seen a good deal of it. The Royal Artillery may be superior as a scientific corps; but as a practical corps in the field, in crossing mountains, jungles, rivers, and in every thing that artillery can be called upon to do in the field. I never saw anything better than the Indian Artillery." Lord Gough said on the same subject :—" I think the In dian army is nearly perfect. . . There cannot be an army more loyal, better disposed, or more ready to do their duty. It is quite impossible to have a more brilliant set of offi cers, or a finer body of men than the Artillery of Bengal. . . I must say of the natives, as well as the Euro peans, that a more devoted set of men cannot be found." Then with regard to the Bombay army, his gallant friend Sir Willoughby Cotton had often said to him substantially in private what he thus expressed before a committee : "I do not conceive that there is a more effective army, certainly not in India, and I think I may say not any where, than the Bombay army; they will go anywhere ; they never make an objection to embark to any place ; wherever you may require a contingent to-morrow, you can send whatever number of them you please. If they are alone they fight well, but if they are mixed with European troops I think they are fully equal to any in the world." Again, his gallant colleague (Sir G. Berkeley), on being questioned as to what he thought of the Madras army, said he thought it very good indeed. What was the opinion of Lord Gough with regard to the medical staff of the Indian army ? His lordship said—" It was my fortune to serve during the whole almost of the Peninsular war4nd I have served through several campaigns in India, but in the Punjaub campaign I do not think that at any one period there was a wounded man without his dooley (litter) nor wanting any comfort it was possible to give him." Then, again, in reference to the commissariat, Lord Gough bore this important testimony. He said that " during the Mahratta campaign and the Sutlej campaign, the army under my command was never one day without its regular provisions." He was quite ready to admit that at length an effort in the right direction had been made by the organisa tion of a land transport corps, under the command of a most 1 gallant soldier—one who would, no doubt, justify the high reputation which he had heretofore obtained. There was also an attempt about to be made—he trusted that it would be a successful one—to raise a Turkish contingent, and to officer it with Indian soldiers. Certainly, if due discrimination had been displayed in this matter, the ser vices of men who had distinguished themselves in every field in India for the last twenty years might have been secured. But, by the infelicity of the steps which her Majesty's Government had taken, they had failed to avail themselves of the services of the men whom all India would have pointed out as the most efficient. He stated this without the intention of casting any disparagement upon the officers who had been induced to enter upon the service of organ ising and commanding that contingent. But truth and the great interests at stake demanded that he shouel state that none of them were of that eminence which the occa sion demanded—none bore names known in Indian story. What was the case when he referred to men whose names were not amongst those officers ? When he mentioned the name of General Patrick Grant, he mentioned the name of one who if parliamentary precedent and the rules of party did not prevent it—would be the man to fill at the present time the post of Minister of War ; one who was versed in the conduct of mili tary matters, and who was capable of taking the conduct of the affairs of our armies at the present juncture. Yet this gentleman was unemployed. There was also Captain Hodgson, of whom Sir C. Napier had spoken in the highest terms. There was also Brigadier- General Mayne, whom, as the house well knew, Govern ment had not 'been able to persuade to take a subordinate command. Now, non-employment of men of that kind was a national calamity. In complaining that no use had been made of the Indian army, it was essential that he should point out what use might have been made of it. After much attention to the subject, and many communi cations with military men upon the subject, he had not the slightest doubt that under proper arrangement a Euro pean force of from 20,000 to 25,000 men, forming a com plete corps d'armee, might be despatched fieen India to the Crimes. He was also informed by many of the highest authorities that it was possible that a large army might be despatched through the valley of the Euphrates, so as to form a junction with troops in Georgia. No one could have studied Indian' history without knowing that a body of 25,000 cavalry would be of the most essential service in such a campaign as that in which we were now engaged. The warfare in the Crimea was in some of its phases not unlike an Indian war. There were the same difficulties of trans port—the same difficulties of provisioning. He (Sir E. Perry) had known cases in India in which men had carried with them sufficient for ten days. Hence an army from India would be most useful in the present state of things i in the Crimea. It was too late to think of such a thing for the present campaign, as the rainy season had set in. But, in time for the next campaign men might be de spatched from the different ports of India to a convenient , place of rendezvous, whence they might proceed to the seat of war. That such a plan was perfectly feasible was proved by the fact of two regiments having already found their way from India. He (Sir E. Perry) had a doubt that it would be said by those who entertained a different view from himself, that it was very easy for him to get up in his place and state vague generalities, and he could not but, admit that the very nature of the subject obliged him to be somewhat general. It would also, he doubted not, be said that it would not be safe to denude India of English troops. It was well known that objection had Leen made by Lord Dalhousie to the withdrawal of a single man excepting cavalry regiments. The opinion which Lord Dalhousie had upon this question might or might not be correct—he (Sir E. Perry) had no means of ascertaining 1 thefact. But supposing it to be a correct view of the matter, the plan which he would suggest was this, that the freshly raised regiments should be sent out to India to replace those withdrawn forservioe fa the Crimea. This, as it seemed to him, would be farbetter than the system which now prevailed of sendingout raw recruits, most of whom were mere boys, to almost certain death from unaccustomed hardships. There was another objection which might be urged, viz., the difficulty of settling in a mixed corps d'armee the rela tions of the o ffi cers amongst themselves. It had been thought by some hon. members and out of doors, that a late order had put an end to all difficulty on this question. He thought, however, that such was not the effect of that me morandum. It would be in the recollection of some hon. members that he had a few evenings since taken the oppor tunity of putting a question to the President of the Board of Control upon this matter. From the answer of the right hon. gentleman he had inferred that the memorandum in question, emanating from her Majesty, meant nothing more than upon its face it purported to mean, and that its only effect, therefore, was to give to Indian officers an honorary distinction all over that reek which they bore in India. This was the whole and sole effect of that memorandum. It was plain, therefore, that no liberty to command, except in India, was conferred upon Indian officers, and hence, if those officers were employed with Queen's troops, they might be told, as in the time of Abercromby, that they had no right io give orders. Even if the reading which he put upon this memorandum were incorrect, still it fell far short of what the exigencies of the times and of the service demanded. The British army at this moment consisted of about 460,000 men ' with upwards of 10,000 officers. The Stat e requ i re d that this large army should be made as efficient as any army in the world. Our officers, whether Queen's or Company's, wore, as a body and upon the whole, superior to those of any other nation. But in some things these officers were not to be compared with those of foreign nations. He required in thisbranch of the service, as an admini s t r ativ e re f ormer requ i re d i n ot h er branches, that the best men should be found to fill the highest posts. At the present moment there were several important military questions waiting for settlement. There were the questions of promotion, of recruiting, of military education, of training, and of pay. All of these re quired the greatest consideration from military and professional persons. Any measures which might be taken with reference to these matters could only be satis factory if the whole army were dealt with ; and in fact, according to the opinion of the boat military authorities upon the matter, no satisfactory reformation could be effected in these matters, unless a complete amalgamation took place of the Queen's and Company's services. It was not only in a British point of view that this change was important—it was no less requi re d f or t h e b enefit of ndia. He had no hesitation iu affirming that in India the military and civil forces did not—to use a French expression— " function " well ; in order to this it was necessary that the army in India should be a royal army, under the con trol, as at present, of the supreme government of India. There was also another important question upon which he felt it his duty to touch, although it was a delicate one, for he had known much good arise from the mention of such things in Parliament. He affirmed that there was some thing unsafe in the mode in which our military force in India was constituted. A largo number of officers wore at out-stations, far from the control of public opinion. Nor was this all ; we had had mutinies in the army itself—a spirit of disaffection had prevailed for years. It was the part of a wise statesman not to shrink from grave facts like these, but to look them fairly in the face, and, if possible device a remedy by which they might be mot. He believed that if the Indian army were a royal army much of this disaffection would disappear in the allegiance and loyalty which were natural to the position of royal troops. Hon. members would see that he had no desire to exalt the Company's army at the expense of the Queen's. In deed he believed that, as a whole, the latter would be en titled to rank higher than the former. Ho needed only name Lawrence, Clive, Wellesley, Lord Lake, and last, but not least, Napier, to prove this position. There were no names in the Indian allay to vie with those which he had just mentioned. Indeed, to make the Indian what the royal force was, it should be bound as closely as pos sible to the mother country. He would say, bind the Indian army as closely to us as might be, and, following the example which the French in Algeria had set us with regard to their army, make it gradually as national in its character as possible. So far he had traced the bene fits of the proposed change as regarded the State ; he would now consider it in relation to the soldier himself. Viewing the matter in this light, he thought that the proposed change would be advantageous both to the Queen and the Company's men. The Queen's forces would have opened to them not only those staff ap pointments which were so numerous in India, but also several civil and political posts, which were now, from the exigencies of Indian service, often filled by military men. The officers of the Company would also be benefited. They would have th e advantage of an increased field of military exertion, as well as th e prospect of higher military reward than they could at present attain. In addition to this they would have the honour of serving the Queen —an nnonr which, as every one k ne w, had great influence with mili tary men. He could not help thinking that it was perfectly gamfro ridiculous that the great advantage which wo u ld ar ise this fact alone should bo lost to the Sl i a .e t r e. Ge T h h er e al ho ll e. ayne gen tleman here read a letter from Briga di er-General 1 and another from a native gentlema n who had acted as interpreter to Sir W. Gomm . and Sir in confirmation of his closely connected w i t h b riefly tli i vl s ew s subjectviews. adverting. The t r o e •sl w, h a i s c l h t a washe questionwouldthis, content himself with whether the amalgam ation of the royal and Indian armies should be comp l ete, or whether the Indian army should be a distinct portion of the forces of the empire, The latter was the view of Lord Grenville. Of course this was a question for the consideration of military men but he thought that there was this objection to the plan of Lord Grenville—it would tend to make the Indian army a mere a local body, and thus render it a species of militia. Such state of things -would, he thought, degrade the dignity-arid lower the efficiency of the Indian troops. Of course, if the plan which ho th4ra advocated were approved by that house it would require to b-3 gradually introduced and the changes should be nytde with consideration and care. He did not wish to di iguise from the houss that the principle of the plan which he had ventured to bring forward was no now thing. It had been brought forward by Lord Grenville in 1813, in one of the most effective statements which had ever been made within the walls of parliament. Many of the changes foretold in that speech have since come to pass as actual facts. Amongst other matters, Lord Grenville went fully into the question of the amalgamation of the Indian army with that of the -Queen's , a nd ga ve it as his opinion that such an amalgamation ought to take place. But there was another authority yeE stronger on- the point. Lord Grenville was not a military man, and he had never been in India. But he (Sir E. Perry) would nest cite the opin ion of a man who had been in India, and who was acquaint to England round th e C ape, in 1794, ed with military affairs. L or d Cornwallis, on his return applied himself for months to tie consideration of the constitution of the Indian army, and to the best mode of making it available for the purposes of the state. It came to the knowle dge of the Board of Control th a t L ord Cornwallis had consi dered the matter ; and, up on hi s arrival in England , Sir G. Dundas wrote to him to know what were the details of his plan. Upon that Lord Cornwallis proposed a most elaborate scheme, at the same time expressing his opinion that no scheme could be permanently useful unless, as a preliminary measure, the whole of our force in India was transferred to the royal service, t o be conducted for the future on the principles which regu lated the royal army. At the same time, Lord Co rn . waffle said, it was to be clearly understood that all• his Majesty's troops serving in India were to be perfectly sub ordinate to the company's government, and to receive their orders through the court of directors. To carry on this thread of authorities, to show how Parliament up to the present time had dealt with the question, he would read I the opinions which had been given since 1794. In 1813, Lord Grenville made his great speech on the subject, and the company presented an able minute protesting against the change then proposed, on the ground that if their army were incorporated with the Queen's they would loss all prestige and patronage, and become cyphers. That defeated the bill, but in 1833 the question was again raised before a committee, and the then Se cre t ar y t o t h e B oard of Control circulated a number of queries to Indian offi cers as to the expediency of the change. A vast body of evidence was collected, which would be found in the re port. He admitted that there were but few great names to be found amongst the witnesses, except Sir J. Mal colm, and his views were identical with those which he (Sir E. Perry) advocated. Mr. Elphinstone disapproved of the project, but his authority was not so great as that of Sir J. Malcolm. He now came down to the last Parliamentary committee that sat on Indian af fairs, and, strange enough, in that com m itt ee thi s great question was not so much as mooted, and for that reason, he had no recent evidence of which he could avail himself. He admitted l',that there were some difficulties surrounding the question, and those difficulties divided themselves into two classes—difficulties of principle and difficulties of de tail. The difficulties of detail he would pass over, as being better adapted for di s cu ss i on i n comm itt ee upsta i rs, but there were two or three difficulties of principle which must be settled by the legislature. The fact was the objection raised by Lord Grenville was, that if the Queen's army were to be the only army serving in India, it would be necessary to make the Government of India a royal Government. He did not shrink from that proposition, nor from expressing his opinion that such a change would be highly beneficial to India. The legislature had not, however, thought right to adopt that course, but for twenty years had been gradually taking away from the company every vestige of power, and leaving them at last without any function whatever. But the question had already been tested;for we had at this moment in India 30,000 Queen's troops acting under the control of the civil servants of the com pany. Therefore if the Government still preserved this phantom of a company, the latter would retain the control of the army of the- Crown. Lord Cornwallis had con sidered the difficulty, and had provided for it by suggest. ing that all despatches should pass throu gh the Board o f Control, and that the Horse Gu ar d s should have nothing whatever to do with the administration of the army in India. But there was a still more serious difficulty, The Indian service was apprehensive that if the armies were fused, Parliamentary and aristocratic influence would regulate the promotion, and that those officers who had not high friends in England, would be passed over for those who had. He could assure the house that if he believed it likely that such would be the case, he would not support the proposition for a moment. Ho did not fear the erection of any new abuse in the distribution of patronage. It was not easy to eradicate old ones, but we were at that task at present, and, under such circumstances, to establish any new abuses, would be a task of such enormous difficulty that no minister of the Crown would attempt it. But they had in India the principle established which Parliament had dis covered to be the true one—namely, a mixed system of seniority and selection. He admitted that in India the system of seniority had been carried too far, but recently selection had been added with the best possible effects. Such being the case, he believed that the fears which were entertained in some quarters against his project wero per fectly chimerical. He had a body of evidence to show the mixed system as it was carried on in the French navy, furnished to him by Admiral de Chabannes, and in this country it had been most available in providing captains for the Baltic fleet, A third difficulty was one which had been put to him by some military men—namely, how would it be possible to amalgamate the com pany's army with the Queen's while purchase was the system of promotion in the one, and seniority in the other. The obvious answer to this was, that the two sys tems existed in the Queen's service, seniority and purchase, but there was another answer, and that was, that if the war continued, purchase would completely disappear. Any one who studied the Gazette for the last few weeks would see that, as a military fact, the system of purchase had already disappeared. One word as to the comparative effects of the two systems. He had read carefully all the authorities in favour of promotion by purchase, and he found them all to have one basis, namely, that such a sys tem permitted the advancemeht of young men to positions of command ; but the Royal Commission declared that for this purpose the system of purchase had failed, seeing that the average age of major -generals in the Queen's ser vice was 65 years. In India, where the much-dreaded seniority system prevailed, the average was only 62. These ' however ' were questions of det a il. lie thought ho had shown the house that these were facts which it was very desirable should be investigated by an impartial tribunal. Papers had been showered upon them from both services, much information would be elicited, and besides, the inquiry he proposed would be perfectly parliamentary. He felt that ho had left many topics, but they would afford a wide field for the speakers who were to follow him, but if they should be advocates for the East India Company, be begged them to remember that during the last 70 years, whenever a project inimical to the inte rests of the company was brought forward, the most plausi ble and ingenious arguments were used to deter the house, and that whenever Parliament, in its wisdom, slighted these predictions, subsequent experience was sure to prove them to have been perfectly valueless. He ventured to predict that, if the house granted him this committee, such evidence would be offered as would enable Parliament to add another to their important measures for the amelio ration of India. (Cheers.) The hon. member concluded by moving the resolution. Sir D. L. EVANS seconded the motion. Sir J. FITZGERARD did not see how any amalgama tion could be accomplished between the Indian army and the European army. The expense of removing an army from India to the Crimea would be enormous. To induce the Sepoy to leave India, he must have double pay and doa ble batta. But he was perfectly certain that the Sepoys never would be able to endure the march and the service that would be required of them. Under all the circumstances, he saw no possible benefit likely to arise from the appoint ment of a committee, and he should therefore oppose the motion. Colonel DUNNE said the motion divided itself into two distinct parts ; first, as to how many troops could be spared from India to go to the Crimea. That was a ques tion for the executive Government to decide. It wee a question of policy to be considered by the GovernMent, and not one to be submitted to a committee of the House of Commons. No doubt, if the East India Company said they could spare 20,000 troops from India for the pur pose of prosecuting the war in the Crimea, it would be the duty of her Majesty's Government to avail themselves of their services. The second proposition of the hon. gentleman was to amalgamate the Indian army with the Royal army, but that was a propositio n w hi c h h a d always been strenu ously opposed by the East India Company, and until the whole governmentiof India was transferred to her Majesty's Government it would be unadvisable tohave an army paid by one Government and acting under the authority of another. The recent appointments of Indian officers to commands in the East had been greatly detrimental to the officers of the Royal army, and but little compliment was paid to her Majesty's officers when they .were told officers from India were to receive commands over their heads in the Crimea. References had been made by the hon. gen tleman to the appointments which had been made to the Turkish Contingent. He (Colonel Dunne) was, however, of opinion that a Turkish Contingent would never exist, because it would be impossible to induce Turkish soldiers to serve under Christian officers. The officers of the Royal army had, nevertheless, been passedover in the commands which had been distributed with respect to foreign troops. Ono gallant friend of his, Colonel Chesney, a highly dis tinguished officer and a man well acquainted with the East, had actually been appointed to one of these foreign legions, and after having received his appointment was removed to make way for an Indian officer. To make a rule that the whole of the commands in her Majesty's service should be thrown open to Indian officers would hardly be dealing fairly with officers of the Royal army. Her Majesty's officers felt proud of the high honour and chivalrous conduct of their Indian comrades, but did not think it either just or fair to transfer them to commands in the Royal army over the heads of the regular officers of that army. He was acquainted with several officers who had served through the whole of the Spanish campaign, but they were only recognised to this moment as civilians, notwithstanding the distinguished services they might have performed, and under such circumstances the hon. gentleman had no right to complain that the recent orddr merely .con ferred upon Indian officers honorary rank. If t h heproost proposi tions of the hon. gentleman were acceded to, officers - 0 rs could Dunne) believed that the services of none but that the (Colonel be obtained, because it could not be expected.and p.ace n Indian army could be transferred from uf ln t iLi her Majesty's service. Indeed, most tr 'many of them would be useless out of their own country. tro a op i s Y. of Moultan they - ndian i and at the siege troops objected to cross the sea, Though admirable refused to work in the trenches' not (ha they, were in India and admirably commanded , ..they had seldom gained the Royal troops, d ciplined like a victory without having been been hea by British officers. d Sir J. W. HOGG sai d he had listened with great atten tion to the suggemtion made by his hon. friend (Sir E. Perry) in introducing the m otion, and, having heard his hon. friend's panegyric upon the Indian army and its efficiency i n he had certainly been somewhat sur prisedeveryr department , that his hon. friend, knowing the authority to find served, had arrivedat the - under which that army sion that it ought now to be transferred from the authority by w hich it had been organised, and under w hi c h it had gained its present state of efficiency. The hon. gentleman spoke of some possible diversion that might be mad e b y the Indian army in the present war, an d th en proposed tha t a Committee of the House of Commons should sit question, and arrogate to th emse l ves the fan st. upon th e Government both as to th e p o li cy of the c ions of th e in which it was to be conducted. (" No war and th e mo d e Perry.) The hon. gentleman had certainly no," from Sir B. ditions to the Persian Gulf, to the Crimea, spoken of exPe ley of the Euphrates, mentionin th and to the val gastions for the consideration of g eul only as several sug call upon a committee to discussthe committee. Surely, to transfer to them the functions such subjects would be to motion of his hon. friend of the Government. The in the first place how the army this —to consider and inquire army in Indi a m i g ht b e ma d e most availabl e f or the present war ; and cer t a i n ly it was a gloomy anticipation with regard to the war, t o sa y that, after a committee had been sitting month after month, rod porting to the house, and discussing the conduct of the war, another committee ought to be appointed to inquire how far the Indian army might bo rendered, not effectual for general purposes, but actually available for the pre sent war. He would, however, tell his hon. friend that that was not the question whidh ought to be considered. The real question was, whether the Indi army, or any part o f it , could be spared from India an consistently with the safety of our Indian possessions. (Hear, hear.) That was n o t a question for a committee of the Bonn of Commons to-determine. Nay, it was not a question to be determined by the Government of this country. It was a question to be decided by the Go vernor-General of India alone. The G overnor-General, if he were the man he ought to be, and if he were a man of such experience and talent as he ever bad been, was alone competent to say whether a soldier could leave India with due regard to the safety and security of that mighty empire. This question, with regard to the Indian army being available, was not one of specula tion ;it was a question of fact. The experience of, half a century showed that the Indian army had 'always been available. Had there been any difficulty in rendering that army available for the expeditions to Egypt, Oni on , Ja va. the Mauritius, the Eastern Archipela go , and I. • tan? He must, in passing, express his opinion Ea t A h nu f fadrgto"ptpahea paid l a : f s f roa g rr h . h a it war, he t 0 Indian t u h . o a u n g d h . e treatf a o r n u g e h m t bye was might d n ug a a y z as h sr m e o fy referredaot and.thatr aHt Her rewr Majesty ' sth o e t l SO di m a u n c officershG overnmenta. m at t t e h hr a a n odf t o_sa In d iantated tt haz speculation th h e ey re w su a hundreds of Indian officers velunteeked t and We o result W th it e: i e n rvi i :ce few s o d f a l ya ndirui , almo ofa st e 7th within fwewhalLnrs:47; remit there were many Indian officers serving this country under Generals Williams and Cannon. Hie ben._ and learned friend had thought fit to constitute himself a judge as to whether the proper officers had or had not been selected. His hon. friend had named men whose distinction oagng )d who 'w el i alr i 4: s : a of l n ad ise t d o tsheeroutghtut gallantn and oofficers e h r s e (Sir pvthooyeiadadinaitrheeadsyerhvieceen; se b l u e t et t must ere sa re y en tha of t l t i l i : u e dist offic in ers e. tion, quire into the steps deserving of the confidence that had been repesed in them. His hen , friendt w a i fi c e il d it they would show themselves proposed, by his motion, to in if it should be d army'rimed advisable to constitute the In dian a arm He inquiry which was con would have been a little did not exist. His hon. friend gentleman d an vraon to . told more logical if he had established the condition precedent, upop:oogph;Tha proposing hie g s t o condition os enter t,o friend tihnatot hjad. Hogg) •nothi n th g a d t e t fi h n e i h te ou to . an e o t d motion fora kind lioilon ,house oared of thato r of change u some hh ee upon a ng t e h , ea paper d t h sot noticei fh It appeared to him (Sir only obtain some -enth nl e emen first but did not care what it was. The ho commission to inquire and see what Heaven would send them. The hon. gentleman, however, nove:elEed committee. He (Sir J. Hogg) was sure that and learned gentleman was sitting on the bench where he . for a had so long presided with honour to himself and advan tage to his country, and if any one were to make him such a proposal as he had now submitted to the house he would regard it as a kind of political bill of discovery, to see if anything could be discovered upon which some thing could be founded. (A laugh.) His honourable friend had directed attention to three prominent point s —the amalgamation of the two armies; whether there ateadqmeeniotgtl;t be.neeessary to take should or should not be a distinct, separate, local army for India ; and, if there were to be a separate, dilitinct, local army for India, whether or not that army should be a Royal army. The hon. gentleman said he felt a little diffi culty with respect to the subject of amalgamation, and he (Sir J. Hogg) was not surprised that he did so. Indeed his only surprise was that hie hon. friend had not been more sensible of the difficulty, for he (Sir J. Hogg) re. garded such an amalgamation as not merely a matter of of difficulty,but of impracticability. The two armies were, indeed, absolutely antagonistic the one to the other. In' the Queen's army they had the system of purchase and exchange, and they had continual reliefs to different parts of the British empire, bat in the Company's army there was no purchase. In that army officers were gratuitously nominated to commissions ; they did not rise by purchase, but solely by seniority ; and so rigid was that rale of seniority that exchange was precluded. In the Indian army, the junior lieutenant not only had a right to have the stipulated number of lieutenants above him, but by the rules of the service he was entitled to have thesame identical individual officers above him, and the rules of the service did not permit of any exchange under any circum stances. Then, with regard to the system of reliefs, the Indian army was a local army, and not only were its ser vices confined to India except under circumstances of pe culiar emergency, but, as a general rule, the army of each presidency was confined to that presidency. He thought. then, he was justified in saying that the constitutions and arrangement of the two armies were not only different, but that they were actually opposed the one to the other There wero, however, some other matters which his hon. friend had slurred over, but to which he (Sir J. Hogg) would ask the attention of the house. In the Indian army every certain pa y ofnumber his o r f a y n e k a . r s ' T s e h r ve There e w w ; er a se alsoen ti t d l i e f d . f to e offi re re n eet t rfre f a u fu n tpe d ro s n — a t a h s e , for instance, funds for widows an d orphans, the contribution to which was compulsory —pe culiar to the Indian army. How, then, was an amalgama tion to be effected? Would they assimilate the Queen's army to the Company's army, and give the former these boons, or would they, assimilate the Company's army to the Queen's and deprive them of their vested rights and interests ? He asserted most confidently that amalgama tion was absolutely impracticable. What he had said so far applied to the English officers and men ' • but how would the suggested change affect the sepoys ? He would ask the house to listen to what Mr. Macaulay said of the sepoys. He said : "A. hostile monarch may promise mountains - of gold to our sepoys, on condition that they will desert the standard of the Company. The Company promises only a moderate pension after a long service. But every sepoy knows that the promise of the Company will be kept, he knows that if he lives 100 years his rice and salt are as secure as the salary of the Governor-General, and he knows that there is not another State in India which would not, in spite of the most solemn vows, leave him to die of hunger in a ditch as soon as he ceased to be useful." That was a true description of the sepoy at OW present time. Now, the sepoy had failings, and his prominent:ail ing was suspicion, dislike, and fear of innovation. HelSir J. Hogg) did not exceed the bounds of fact when he said thatany innovation excited and alarmed the distrust of the sepoy, even though it were for his own benefit. He would road to the house the opinion of an officer of the Indian army, the historian of the Affghan war, with respect to the danger of tampering with the Sepoys, in consequence of their dreadof innovation. Mr. Kaye said— "The people of India will bear a great deal, so long as they are used to it. They aro very intolerant of change. They do not understand it. They are timid and suspicious. Benevolence and wisdom may go hand in hand IA our mea sures, but the people are not easily persuaded that what we are doing is for their good." This apprehension of change was peculiar to the people of India, and every man who had ruled . that country had acted upon the principle of altering as little as possible the condition of the sepoys for fear of exciting some misap prehension. He (Sir J. Hogg) thought he had shown that the amalgamation of the two armies was impracticable, and he contended that, as they could not have such amal gamation, the army of India must be a separate, local, distinct army. At this moment 9-10ths of the army were natives. It must not only be a separate and distinct local army, bu 4 it must be a native army. We could not hold Indi. by an exclusively European force. This country could not stand the drain of money and treasure ; the two treasuries of England and India could not stand the drain that would be necessary to hold India exclusively by a European force. If they could do so it would be perilous in the extreme, fatal to India, and fatal to our hold on that country, from the disaffection and jealousies which it would excite in the native mind. The army, then, must be local and native, but it must be officered by British officers in order to be effective. These officers must be familiar with the language, the religion, the usages, and the prejudices of the sepoys; and, if such were their quali fications, they could not fail to conciliate them and command their affections. (Hear, hear.) Without su c h qualifications, inste a d o f conciliation, we would have alienation ; and this brought him to a remark of his hon. friend, who spoke of Indian officers as if it were an advan tage to be always looking to his native country. Now he (Sir J. W. Hogg) contended for exactly , the reverse. The Indian officer, to be effective and useful in the capacities ho had indicated, must g o out young—he must go out no t too old to be transplante d. He must take root in India, and feel and look at India as his home; and not only must he remain in India, but remain in the same regiment, that he might know the peculiarities of the natives at large, as well as every man individually in the regiment. The restalt showed that this was the fact. At the present moment there were I,ICO officers in the Indian army who, if they pleased, might retire on pensions, but who were so much attached to the country and so devoted to their profession and their men that they did not, avail themselves of the privilege. (Hear, hear.) A E uro p ean force could not be in itself s local force i n any se n s e s i m il a r to that of the nativ e it army. wss It ought to be ide n tifi e d with the native army. If so, it would be a source of stren gth was not it would fail to be either. ( C. li fo a r'the defence of there were about 30,000 Queen's troops auxiliaries to the the Indian empire ; but these o nlywore x. es, and cr b ti e d a e r n . c ) o ; T i h f e i n t ii and remained native army. They went out lIS Wellington said with referenoceways army in be regarded as auxi vB;7 t t o h p e i e, Duke ~T "The such, their stay being usually shotarotu.thilenvle Queen's army are and mus t I was this the effect of merevosp work of any theory? No; like the liaties, and auxiliaries only, its present condition the country, it ❑ grow up and was altered ? dia , n ar a e r e m th y i . e " best institutions of o f circa ,instances required. It commenced (Hear.) It was v. fabric speculation l t a h t e i o l n n as the exigency -- • gradually increased, and alight from small beg n hundred years. With it was eeffiohfacdiaennhcouyan.rmy_there w imp rude nce , were idennints c onstitution till at last it arrived v ? reared a r its n e f g o d Pell changes present thent an state a INV . s . d r e(..names wisdom and mighty interests. That fabric oma : might ihceit: bt en ned d anipa i tf o ujuv i i g leee b d:h t!, tuno.rdw nt 0 snh d o Ny destroyed th e jealousy 0 i t) , y s yt that fa h o e e i r ee e r : s e i s a wt l e e ed u h s l a e : s ( a Hear, hear.) In the early peri o d s European. and aPPrehensious in the way. The first sol d ie rs the descendants wore few in number, and they were nia • We had aithiegnhtnostate that the first we employed were b or o g n a t ni tl s i a e . of Portuguese, who were called. " topasses." ' —e middle of the last century, however, we got into disputes with the native princes, and then commenced the A At first there were only three Bri tuisohn officers ttoiveaarremgyim. ent, and the Indian army had no rooffigicmerohnotlwdiansgftohremliedi,nhg'es coimission till 1780. The first Battle of Plassy, under Lor db e l ieved in 1750, and was at the and constitution of the arm y aesiiivten. owSuocxhistweadsinthlenotgi—n Majesty's troops, India— n separate and distinct 1 periods of service. It le mi local army, having the aid of her g w h o t re be ch sa a i nted wh a y ft c e o r u p id ar w ti e enl no a t r be alocal Indian w a h rm . y which would at the same time a royal army ? This raised the ques ti on , ought the army to be t rans f erred to the Crow n? His honourable friend said he would change it from being a local army, and thereby a dd t o i ts honour, dignity, and co nsequence. . H e As contended th a t th e effect would be exactly the reverse. such as no oth er army cou ld excee d. I an Indian army it h a d acqu i re d g l or y and_ of having the die distinction , U army, ,f we ad ransferred it to transferred nction of being a separate of local army — it might nste the Crown it would become a kind its its p b ta, or a West India regi. ecoe a sort of Ceyln regis,nai th p e ll restige and ment m , but we would doo ,5' in reply to questions put to him on this subject by the Pre sident Control , first spoke of the separat i on glory. (Hear, hear.) In 1 832 Mountstewart Elphinstone, of the Board of civ il of the two govern men ts, the from the military, as follows : " The separation of the civil government from the mili lrl robably not answer in any country but least The great problem there has always been tart' won.— p of all in India. to maintain the subordination of the military power to'he civil, and to prevent clashing between the governors and comma nders -in-chief. In thi s we h ave sot always been