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A .' : Icr. r * a;e»L ~~ ~,. rAllt. el a ‘a , ta few> v V'MBER 9845 NOTICE is hereby given, by the LORDS COMMISSIONERS of HIS MAJESTY'S TREA SCRY, that all Persons desirous of signifying...their Assenr 10 receive .C 3 106. per Centuni Annuities, in lieu of £4 pet C entrun Annuities, directed to be paid off, in pursitance of ,tl teaolution of the House of Commons, of the 44tbs Fe brultrY, 1824, in the manner therein specified, must signify saw Assent on or before the 6th April, 1824, to the Govei °Or end Company of the Banks of England, or of Ireland, I tcording as the Dividends may be payable. Forms for expressing such Assent have been sent to the ."rf'+'al Country Bankers in Great Britain and Ireland ; and '''"T also be had of the Postmasters of every Market Town Great Britain and Ireland, as well as the Banks of Eng and Ireland respectively. 11 . B. The Assents addressed to the Banks of England and Ireland •respectively will be delivered free of Postage ; but "•re must be taken that they are put into the Post-Office in utfhoient time to be delivered in London or in Dublin, as the case may be, on or before the 6th April, 18711-. T HIS is to give notice, that in Pursuance of Directions from the COMMISSIONERS fur VIC TUALLING. HIS MAJESTY'S NAVY, I shall be ready at this )444, on TUESDAY, the 234 instant, t• receive Tenders writing (sealed up), from such Persons as will undertake t• Peel:Mast the HIDES, (except what may be wanted for the Deck Yard), and FAT that may be produced from the Oxen 1 4 4 tghtered for the service of His Majesty's Victualling De- Pertinent at . Portsmouth, from the Ist day of April next en 14Ing, until the 30th day. of Juno following. The Tenders to contain distinct prices, expressed in words -* le ngth for each article.—The same to be paid for at the end of each month. WILLIAM MELLISH. " ' d well...Deck, March 11, 1824. TO THE PROPRIETORS OF EAST INDIA STOCE.iI LADIES AND GNI4TLEISILX, I 'leg le ave to inform you, that Tuesday, the 23d inst. is fixed for the ELECTION of a DIRECTOR ofyouraffairs, an d I earnes tly and respectfully entreat the honou r of your attendance at the Indiallouse, on that day, in my favour. - cannot, tiring in adequate terms, express my gratitude for the t attering reception with which I have uniformly been honoured my canvass, or for the zealous and unreruitted exertions my highly valued friends. A continuance of the same energy annot fail, under your kind auspices, to command success ; and,' should I a tt a i n the object of my ambition, I beg you to be assured that my utmost attention shall be devoted to an active and conscientious discharge of the various duties which are in- Yeirei in that distinguished trust. I have the honour to be, Ladies and Gentlemen, Your most obliged faithful Servant, J. PETTY MUSPRATT. New Broad -street, March 11, 1024. Mr. Muspratt's Committee will sit daily at the City of Lon- Alou Tavern, where all Communications affecting his interest - will be thankfully received. RICUARDSON, GOODLUCK, and CO. respectfully acquaint the Public that the SECOND .I)AT .of DRAWING the STATE LOTTERY will •be NEXT WEDNESDAY. There are FIVE PRIZES offta,ooo'' in._.the.Wheet, and the Two First-drawn Prizes will gash re ceive ,C 20,000 in addition. SHARES, warranted Undrawn, are Selling, in a variety of Numbers, at their Office, No. 104, the Corner of BANK BUILDINGS, CORNHILL. SLAVERY, &c. ! ! ! This Day was published. price 3s. eOMMENTA RY on MR. CLARKSON'S " THOUGHTS an EMANCIPATION," &c. with an Appendix, exhibiting some new and accurate Information on subjects connected with the Pamphlet.. By the Rev. JOHN HAMPDEN, A. 13. Also, I. CONSIDERATIONS ou the ABOLITION of * N EGRO S LAVERY:, and the MEANS of PRACTICALLY EFFECT ING IT. By J. F. Barham, Esq. Third Etlithos, price Ss. 84. 4• An APOLOGY for WEST INDIANS, and REFLEC- I'IONS on the POLICY of GREAT BRITAIN'S INTER PERRNCE in . the INTERNAL CONCERNS of the WEST INDIA. COLONIES. By F. G. Smyth, Esq, price it. Published for Ridgway', Piccadilly.. ledge, and when he should next visit his learned University of Pavia, he would shew in what estimation he held them, and exclaim, " how charming is Divine philosophy. It is not harsh and crabbed as dull fools suppose, but musical," and in per fect harmony with the morals and wishes of the Court of Vienna ! With respect to the transaction with Austria, if a future society of antiquarians, two thousand years hence, were to have no other proof of its existence than the Bill before the House, they might construe it a thousand different ways. There was nothing to shew that money had been given to Austria by this country. The guarantee of two loans was mentioned : after which his Imperial Majesty declared, that he would pay 2,500,0001., and then it was said that it might be as well to give up 'keeping a separate account. It was now some years sines those lo a ns had taken place: were their Lord ships aware what the suns really was ? Those loans had been contracted, the one in 1795, anti the other in 1797, and we had undertaken to guarantee them on two grounds. The first, be cause it would afford facilities to Austria to bring her resources into the field against the common enemy ; and the second, be cause we were told, the securities offered by that Power were as solid as the Bank of England. The terms were said to be so advantageous to the country, that we could sue the Empe ror in his own Courts; he had given bonds, mortgages, every thing that was required, and we could not possibly lose one penny. Now, although these loans were intended to enable Austria eo bring her armies into the field, it was' a feet that part of them had actually not been paid till after she had concluded a separate peace with the enemy : for the second loan was dated in May, and the Treaty of Campo Formio in April. These two loans amounted to more than six mil lions. We had guaranteed the payment of the interest, and an annuity for twenty-five years. The twenty-five years were now expired, so that we had paid the whole of the annuity, amounting to at least five millions, for he did net think that Austria had paid more than one year out of the 25. Twelve millions and a half had thus been drawn from this country, and she was now saddling herself with a perpetual annuity of 250,0001., which, taken at the _present value of money, required a capital of at least five millions. The whole amount of the money granted by this country to Austria was therefore not less than 17,500,0001., without taking into consideration the compound interest. For this we received two millions and a half ! The nature of such a transaction his Imperial Majesty did not choose to describe, nor the Bill either. But he had heard it said that the money coming to us was to be considered a God-send. Suppose that he held a promisory note for 10,0001., and he wished he did, from some eminent merchant in the City, and that on enquiring from a friend on the other side of 'Temple-bar about the character of the man, he re ceived this answer :—" Oh ! he is a most honourable, ho nest, and virtuous individual, a real Sir Andrew Freeport.— II is house is one of the safest, bat if you ever get one thousand pounds out of your ten thousand, you may consider it a God. send. ,, Such was th e l anguage held to the country. As the Bill was worded, it was not known whether the money paid be' Austria was a composition for a debt, or a present from the Emperor to the British people. The matter seemed even to appear as one of f avour on hi s p a rt. He disapproved o f suc h a delusion, and the manner in which the money was received, was calculated to confirm it. It •was received as a shower of gold—Here it comes ! here it is—fall to—does the Church want any thing ?.--does the Crown want any thing ?—does Science want any thing ?—take it use it—and the wh ole was imme diately to fly away and the country to lose ell advantage from it. He did not mean to say that the application of this mo. ney was wrong, but that it should not have been proposed out of the Austrian Loan. If Parliament thought that Churches were wanted, let sums be granted for their erection ; but he could not help considering it strange that our Church which was the richest in the world, should be the only one which never did am thing for itself. As to the money thus obtained from Austria, those from whom it had originally come were to have no share of it. He did not see why the people of England should be like Gidson's fleece, to be plucked by every body. The Noble Lord then objected to the appointment of a Commission to direct the application of the grant for repairing and embellishing Windsor Castle. It would be relieving the Le gal and Constitutional Servants of the Crown, and throwing the responsibility upon Parliament. It would be derogatory to the honour of the Crown, by implying a jealousy which Parliament had never felt- It was said that it would secure the advan agtereane.d u m e agn dl if d ic l e lo n t ce likh to e. m th thi e o7 col c mir n y pl ; it b te u e t i to of th t i a s st h e e . et:rid of f o tas t coun.sellors safety in a multitude of In matters of state and finan ces but t t ft n M f g . that t here wa7 of taste he was an admirer of monarchy, b a eL r :e o the w o a n r e an re quired fortitude of decision and the otherithriplieity of desig n. As he walked down to the House, he might easily show proes that Committees of taste, however able the indPricluals of whom, they were composed might be, had never produced any thing calculated to do honour to the country. He objected to the pro posed Commission therefore on grounds of taste, but still more on Constitutional principles. The Noble Baron then brlefly adverted to the Revolution of 1683; stated that he wished to teach Ministers, on strong grounds, that those who go rerned this country should have the confidence of Parlia ment, and strongly objected to that- conduct which only consulted the convenience of the moment. He should now move that the Bill be re-committed, with the intention, if it. should be so done, to propose an alteration in the Preamble. He should not, however, press his motion to a division, though he hoped he should. not be told, " What, you move an amend ment in a Money Bill." Had any one when he first came to that House made such a remark, he would have been called to order. He only stated this to make their Lordships understand. where they were going to. - As to the Bill itself, he only wished that every thing in it should be deer and open. The Earl of LIVERPOOL, after having listened with all the attention in his power to the speech of the Noble Baron, was utterly at a lose to know what objection lie had to the phraseology of the Bill. He expected to have heard some ex pressions pointed out as not giving a clear meaning, but that had not been done, and in fact there was no want of pespi cuity in the wording that he could perceive. No one could suppose that such a Bill should be drawn in a manner ungra cious to one of the parties. What did' it do ? It mentioned transactions respecting two loans granted by Acts of Parlia ment: those Acts were referred to in the preamble ; it was then stated' that we had guaranteed those loans; and lastly, that the country accepted a composition in lieu of its full de mands. What obscurity was there in this? But the real object of the Noble Lord - had been to read the House a. lecture on the original transaction with Austria. There would hare been no objection to such a course had the task been fully anti fairly performed. But the Noble Baron had stated all that was unfavourable to the Emperor, and kept in the back ground all that redounded to his credit and honour. The Noble Lord said, that the whole of the sums expended by this country for Austria amounted to 17,500,0001. He (the Earl of Liverpool) thought it was more. Were the compound interest taken into consideration the total would not be less than twenty millions. Would it ' not be supposed from the manner in which the Noble Lord had spoken of the transaction, and of the Bill; that instead of being placed uuder the martini of events, wars, and necessities, which made it doubtful whether-we retained - a right to make a claim upon him, the Emperor of Austria had contracted a com mon debt with us in 1797, from which we were now letting him off without proper payment. He would not stop to in quire whether it would have been better originally to give the money to Austria as a subsidy rather than a loan. The latter had been preferred by a Statesman, for whom he enter tained the highest respect, and who had acted with the best intentions; but liee(Lord Liverpool) conceived it would have been better to make it a subsidy than a loan, and he had no doubt that those who had voted the latter at' the time would have equally consented' to granted the former. Let it be consi dered what had been the situation and conduct of Austria after the treaty of Campo Forme:). She had engaged into four wars with. France, the first of which had been closed by the battles of Marengo and Hohenlinden, the second by -that of Austerlitz, the third by that of Wagram, and the last by those glorious events which had placed Europe in its present state. The Noble Lord had charged Austria with having concluded' the peace of Campo Formic) in violation of herengagernents ; but there was no man in this country who would not say that she had fought to the very last, and that making peace had `been a le -lat ter of necessity, and so violation of her engagements : When that Power was seen always ready to rise whenever its situa tion allowed it, had not' this country a right to remember its efforts and- service& In three of those wars, hesides. England bad granted her subsidies •withbet making any men tion of the former loans: Nay, he would 'refer the Noble Lord WlVOsite to themselves: When they were in office they had offered - a subsidy to Austria if - she -would 'march ; Austria did notemarch, and the subsidy was not granted. Bitt after that they, heellinuielated ,chargetewhich she' had 'made; They had paid considerable sums ofeooney.to her, and.had'never claimed ON Account - ofeeheee bane. He did not blithe .th'era for having PARLIAMENT, _-- n "SE OF LORDS, MARCII 11. Lor GOIVE 0 e Ci d ty A Presented a Petition from the Freemasons of Co unty of Li mer i c k, praying that the Act against Secret Societies might not h e exten d e d to them. The Earl of tiIiA FTESBURY presented a Petition from Tewkesbury, pray the West I n di a N egroes. praying for th e ame li ora tion of the conditi on o f Bi 11, The Irish Church Rates Bill, and the Annual Indemnity were read a third time AUST and passed. RIAN * The Earl o f LIVERPOOL having LOAN moved the Order of the Pay for reading the Austrian Loan Bill a third time, Lord HOLLAND rose to make the observations of which he had given notice. He was prepared to acknowledge, as he had already done on a former occasion, th the of money to be Paid by the. Government of Austria, though less sum than the coun try. was.entitled to, was more than the public expected. There had been considerable temper and some management in getting even this surri on the part of his Majesty's Ministers ; and on that of the rmperial creditor there had been, not generosity—it fscarcely rose into honesty —he would call it forbearance and ood "feeling in granti ng co muc h . He was ready, therefore, acquiesce in the pres e nt Bill, b ut not i n the preamble by which, it was introduced. He did not stand up so much as a n opponent to the Bill, as to its phraseology. He did not understand why Parliament should be thrown into a state of :h Perplexity b y t h e wor di ng of its own measures. He knew at the generality of ankind attributed a nice sense of ?ionour to people in a high situation, and it might be natural that some effort should be made to disguise from the eyes of his imperial Majesty the nature of the transaction which he was ''eknowledging to posterity. But that attempt went too far : the convention was not clear. In the whole of it there existed no statement of the sum due to this country. The Noble Earl then alluded to Mr. Horne Tooke's researches respecting the e , t ymology o f words, and his ingenious endeavour to apply Ylerrito metaphysics and to draw from a barren and sandy soil fruits Which it could not be hoped to produce. In the whole of the present Bill, he did not find the word Debt, but his Im ee... n n al Majesty had br ought himself to say that he would pay. N w, how he could make up his mind to call such a transaction payment, was - more than he (Lord H.) could understand. followed Mr. Horne Tooke's example , Perhams he had into the • • looked derivation of the word , n p e y," and taken it in the tft.reonmse tiTlheich agreed best with his no - 4mi, Some made it come the first .word, Page:, -a village,. because all payments came, in inst ance, from th e inhabita nt s of villages, and the cul tivators of - the soil; " Pagoruminc o la , vectigailibus subjecti." That ho wever:was not the sense likely to suit the Imperial cre ditor.re Otheri made it proceed from the words Paciecor, Pac k_ , because people wno paid completed a. bargain-. Neither was this likely fo be the Imperial interpretation. But there rwere some who derived it from Pacare, to pacify, and it ap ared very probable that his Imperial Mtijesty •might have seditin that sense ; not as the payment of a debt,,but to pacify 1 .1 . 1 e br aw l ers of the English Parliament, by giving about one eighth of what he owed. He had heard said, it with certain is_neer.3 of contempt; that the Emperor of Austria .required no i:Ting in his dominions, but only good subjeess-": tit ' they men who ogre'! nothing, and were ready to plunder and to fig ordered. But the advantage of finding such a den. tuM must bays- Shown him the utility of men of know. r,;brorlo` B obe ore. ty Ins cc nber, .ntle r Is' prO° email 000 [ c or )n 01 ' the !Idea *int- lith, :owl reel. %• , i,,A t:' , l#• ' 7/ . .c, • •:. F. 0 • t i l. ! ,...,1 V; 4t1.; U , 1:1 biT3 PLICI.O -., '1 EVI , I:t .- 1 .11e, IrJli.--v1:. ~.. ...,:i 2t, , I , . 4. V t r e ' WI ~._,'' ' ...... . et 'S L. /f FRIDAY, MARCH 12, 1824. done so ; 'he should have done the same; but when they paid demands made by Austria, without even mentioning these loans to counterbalance them,. could they say that, in a transaction like the present, his Majesty's Ministers were bound, in honour and equity, not only to claim some part of these loans, but every farthing ? In the situation of this country she could not be call ed to cancel bonds without some composition, but if it had also been urged that to make a reasonable composition would be for the interest of Austria herself. Had he (Lord L.) been the Austrian Minister he should have advised such a measure, and he was convinced that nothing had operated more to the credit of that Government, situatod as it was, than its actual adoption. Austria had gained more pecuniary credit by it than she had lost money by the sum which she had paid. He was convinced that when persons came to consider the subject coolly, they would be more disposed to doubt whether we were justified in asking what we did, than in pressing for more. It had bean said, on a former occasion, that we owed this to the individual f e elings of the Empero r of Austria. That was certainly the principal ground on which we owed it, and those feelings were honourable to him, and raised him higher than any other Sove 'reign. But they were not exclusive with him, and the indi vidual who was his chief adviser was equally anxious as his Imperial Majesty to conclude an arrangement. As to the other points mentioned by the Noble Lord, it was not proposed to provide 'for the services which he had mentioned out of the money paid by Austria. The whole of that money was to be carried to the Consolidated Fund., and had, in fact, been so carried. It had been said, in opening the view of the finances of the year, that out of this and the surplus occasioned by the flourishing state of the country, his Majesty's 'Government would do what they conceived would afford her the most effec tual relief. After having first proposed the measures which ap peared to them most conducive to that object, they thought they might apply certain sums to special ones. He should not enter, at present, into the question of the grant of 500,000/. for the erection of Churches, further than to say that they had felt it to be an essential object. As to the two other sums, one was for the repair of a structure which was the admiration of the country and of foreigners. and the other, to a smaller amount, was for an object on which there was no difference of opi nion. The Noble Baron had disapproved of the appoint ment of a Commission to superintend the application of the money to the repairs of Windsor Castle, but his observa tions were not warranted by precedent nor by the nature of the case. Had the sum applied to that purpose been drawn from the Civil List, it would have been lett to the usual direc tion. But *hen the object was not to erect a new building, but to make alterations in a structure which attracted the pecu liar admiration of the country, and the sum was not taken out of the revenue of the Crown, but granted by Parliament, it was thought expedient to place it under the management of a parti cular Commission. With respect to the Bill before the Ilonse, he repeated that he saw no ambiguity in the way in which it was worded. It described the transaction as fairly and as fully at it ought to do, and notwithstanding the representations given by the Noble Lord of the conduct of Austria, he (the Earl of Liverpool) was persunded that the feeling of the public at large was, that we had received as much as we had a right to expect from that PoWer. • • . gaged in unsuccessful wars ;.he had done so for his ort! advan tage,..Lord KING contended that the Emperor of Austria had en. * He wished the Noble Earl hd been able to give calculation'. of Austria than he had done. not ours, and ought . to bear the consequences of his this t explanation of the conduct , le b e l t e e p r sthe money had been paid into the Court of Equity at Vienna, and the greater portion swallowed up by lawyers.— There mighthave been fees to counsels, petitions, hearings, and rehearings, in this case of Rex versus Imperator. It might have been considered and reconsidered ; judgment promised and then put off; fresh time taken for consideration ; and at last judgment given, when the sum was reduced to what we were to receive. But had it been in. this country, the matter would hare been still worse, and after twenty years litigation, instead of receiving, we should hare had to pay 2.400,0001. He understood however that our system of Equity was to be im proved, and that a Commission of Inquiry had been appointed for that purpose. He had no doubt that those interested in the event would pray that there might Jeerer be wanting a succes sion of good men to e nsure delays. r that the Loans had been granted to Austria for an object t. eich was considered ; of great importance ee, E n gland. The Netherlands Earl t o o f A BE R PEEN stated had then been lately occ upied by the French armies, and their recovery was consi dered so much of the British object, M , that r. Fox himself had declared that he should have thought it better to give Austria the money as a subsidy than as a 104 n. The end in view being to re-take poeseseion of the N etherlands, al l t h e secu r ities of the loans were placed in those 'Provinces, and a succession of misfortunes having overturn e d t h e Austrian dominion there, the securities had ceased to be valid.' In 1816 Austria had adopted a new and more solid system of finance than that which previous calamities had so deep]. , shaken. She had publieb ed to the world the list of her debts, and that of this country did not appear among them. Surely that would have been the time of taking notice of i t , • existence, and remonstrating against the ornision ; but no such representation had been made. w e ll, therefore, ••surprised if - It Austria be w e should afterwards have raised the claim. The Emperor was said to have declared that leeetee t ele u , g to the letter of the contract, if the case were brought before own Courts, lie should be o bliged to pronounce a decisi on ae•linst himself. He (the Earl of A.) doubted whether it wolahave been the same in this country. As to the amount to be paid, it was a question of ability. Had we demanded too much, we should have had no thing. In point of fact even, we had been paid just about as much as Austria had received from us_; owing to the loss on the exchange, and the difficulty of making payments at the time, not more than 3,000,0001. , had ever reach ed herliand, endso much were the loans grante d for British objects, that they were expended under the immediate inspection of British Officers re siding at the Imperial Hea d - quartars. [Here Lord Holland said across the table that part of those loans had bean paid to Austria after the peace of Campo Formio.] This was true, but the ex pence had been incurred during the to enable the Austrian le war, armies to undertake operations at all. The Noble Earl then paid a tribute of praise to the virtues of the Emperor of Aus tria, and stated that his Prime Minister entertained the Caine views as his Master respecting the propriety of making an arrangement with this country. With respect to the appli cation of the money, as far as the embellishment of nalaces was concerned, lie (Lord A•) wished that his Noble Friend (the Earl of Liverpool) should put it on a more satisfactory footing than it appeared to be. There was no period at which greater architectural talent had ever existed in the country than at pre sent, and when large sums were to be expended, it would be much to be lamented if the best means were not employed to produce something worthy of the nation, especially when gal leries of art were to be erected. Viscount CLIFDEN contended, that all the money used to stimulate Austria to unsuccessful exertions had ultimately founds its way into the pockets of Napoleon. As to the virtues of the Austrian Emperor, if what Mr. Rose had written about his Government in Italy were believed, a greater tyrant had never existed. And as Mr. Rose was neither a Radical nor a Buonapartist, there was no cause to think that his statements were exaggerated. Lord ELLENBOROUGH admitted, that the conduct of the Emperor of Austria was not unimpeachable, but, .compared• with his Allies, he appeared an absolute angel. He also be lieved that Austria was the only ally on the Continent in whose friendship we could securely confide. It was our interest, therefore, to encrease her strength. With respect to the ap plication of the money, lie wished to know whether the Com emission for directing the repairs of Windsor-castle was to be appointed by Act of Parliament, or by the Crown ? The Earl of LIVERPOOL replied, that in all cases of that kind, the Commission was appointed by Act of Parliament, but the names filled up by the Crown. Lord ELLENBOROUGII hoped that, in this caxe both the Commission anti the names would be left to the appointment of Parliament. Earl DARNLEY observed, that although the money to be paid by Austria was talked of as 'being in our pockets, only 100,0001. had been actually received, and the whole would not come in for a considerable time. The Earl of LIVERPOOL was happy to be able to remove :the anxiety of the Noble Earl, by informing him that in con sequence of an arrangement by which discount was allowed, every shilling of the 2,600,0001., with the exception of the amount of that discount, had already been received and realized. . Lord HOLLAND—Then I am ready to acknowledge that 'the Noble Earl deserves great credit. The motion fcir re-committing the Bill was then negatived, and the Bill read a third time. OF DISSENTERS. The Marquis of LANSDOWN brought in a Bill fur the relief of Dissenters from the operation of the Marria . ge Act.—. Read a first time and ordered to be printed. The Noble Marquis also moved for some Retains relative to the West Indies, which were ordered..—Adjourned. PilitE .Sht,t'N'Ptlctt,.. case as far as their knowledge of It Went . lain occasion a.. steed to hate beer. thrown away when the pastions - of the. ....le might have been tranquillised 'by a nteseettail sof tatitaliat in, and therefore it was teoceesary that this infatitatiOtt in gild, be laid before the Entice. lie did nbt ketow whether theateetion would be objected to, and he should coneentlihnsalf brtisAng for'Cotais Of tang Proclamation issued in the year 1820 by the magistrates or any :otlierpetarms with the turthaity ,cifl3avern meta, Offering eheumreate to the Riblatbuteti of the tountiita of Galway and Mayo. Also ettpies of all eateepondehee be tween Mr. Bennett and a 11?... Gregory in the feat '1823 :re epecting the suppreleion of, and an attitresty to, the Ribbon Lodges in Ireland ; also a copy a a memorial from Messrs. Labia and Yore to the. Lord Lieutenant respecting the case of Thomas Hughes. . . Mr. GOULBURN said, that he stood in a situation of difii aulty as to saute parts of the cake, as he had not been able to receive communications front 'rebuilt its theta to . mett it. ,But he would state to the Renee why ha 'thought itattexpedient to comply with the principal object of the ernotion. As to any proclamation in the county of Galwity ih the year 1820, heaves officially ignorant ; and from those Gentlemen Mew in England who were likely to be acquainted with the itibject, he Waseaot able to learn that any such dOcutnent existed. But the real question brought before the House by this Motion Watley/tether the Government was justified in refusing to pardon Hughes after he had been coneicted of administering illegal oaths undet every aggravation of that crime. What they had to determine by the vote was, whether the tloaetnment *tete mijust Ot• Wrong in refueing that pardon. lie would therefore state how the Facts stood with regard to this tnah. Then objects of the Ribbon Society were the perpetration of the Most atruciinie crimes, and ultimately th e ' su b ver sion of the 'Whole constitution of the country. It happened in the beginning of the year 1623, that the Government had submitted to them the eilitens of bringing one of this society to trial, who who was not i here subordinate member, but a man who had been extremely important in the formation of the Society, and who was admitted by those Who petitioned in his favour to be one of its most influential and powerful heads. This Was the person whom the Government brought to trial and convicted. Opplicatitms were afterwards made, stating that if he was pardoned he would give up the as sociation, and execute a power which he posseased ofdettroying it altogether. This statement being teccompanied by a declaration that there were in the City of Dublin 13,000 men with efts, and who should all he ready to give up their coil course at his command. These were the terms upon which the govermnent were called upon to capitulate. He believed there Was no coun try in the world but Ireland where such a proposition would be trade to a government ; and let it come flout whom it may, it Was the bounden duty of the Government to treat it as they had done. In the petition it was stated, that if this Mon ware allowed to go throttle) the country with his Counsel, and har rangue the Ribbontnen, they would all abandon their evil courses at once; such was the porter with which he strayed FREEMASONRY. their conduct. To have pardoned such a man, or to cone to Mr. S. RICE presented a petition from certain free and ac- any soch terms with an Association of that nature, Would hive cepted Masons in the County of Limerick, praying to be placed , - peen an unpardonable extent of weakness in the Coverriment. in the Mlle situation as the Masons of Great Britain. The Lord Lieutenant was far from desiring to execute the Sir I. COFFIN said he was made a Mason in Ireland some ' Criminal Justice of the Country with hardship • on the con years ago; and without betraying the secrets of Masonry, he - Crary, lie was ever anxious to slim the ereateet forbearance, would declare- atilt it was founded on charity, loyalty, and h o e • T o S n T p laA bi l o NZ l S lt l in N a l i l l t il E l ho nour.—The Petition was ordered to be printed. and was lenient even to the guilty. But all 'who knew him way to the utter imbecillity of treating with any E to A an N ie n n . d the 50th of knew his character too well to suppose that he would give Lord ALT D II parties under Geo. 111., so as to prevent the distraining for rent upon grow- the circumstances he had pointed out, or of considering for ing crops in Ireland. The Bill was read a first time, and the a moment such conditions as he hail stated to the HoOse. Noble Lord stated that lie wished the Assizes to take place in I Upon these groundi he should oppose the motion of the Noble Ireland before the Bill was read a second thus. The second i Lord ' reading was consequently fixed for the Ist of May. Mr. ABERCROMBY skid, that if' such conditions had been .. proposed as those ended b the Rae Mr. DENISON presented a Petition from the Brewers of,ht Hon. Gentleman - he agreed with him that the Government e Small Beer in the neighbourhood of the berthaMetrools, expressing . tion.ilut right not to Have gi'van them the least considera he was acquainted with their satisfaction at the disposition manifested papers adopt the principles of free trade, and praying that all restric- which professed to be copies of the correspondence end a 'l' pp 1- tions may be removed.—Laid on the table. cations that had taken place. in which it did not appear. that there Colonel TRENCH presented a Petition from Cambridge in - • was one condition or qualification submitted to the Go favour of the Bill for the Recovery of Small Debts.--Ordered vernment the of I deludedpeople. Allthey on part t iese to lie on the table. quired was an amnesty for the past, and then they were reedy Also a Petition from the same place against the Duty on .e to give up their arms, and return to their allegiance. This Coals carried coastwiee.- - -Laid on the table. MARINE MUTINY BILL. • was exactly the case in which information ought to be grted. is Noble Friend had made a statement foural- Mr. CROKER moved the Order of the Day for receiving . ed upon documents placed in his betide and the Right the Report Report of the Marine Mutiny Bill. The Report was re- , ble Gentleman that h.' noun. , asserted t ere were other facts,and ceived, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. CONVICTS AND EMIGRANTS. ;refused to produce them. Why /!'it the Dense of Cothrisons i not to know the tru - h . th ? If ahe_ ease was suc as the .Right Mr. G. BENNET moved for a Return of the Number of lion. Gentleman described, it, and House would Sanction the Convicts transported m the British Colonies in the years 1823 conduct of the Government, en u t no harm could be Gone by the and 1823, diatinguishing the colony and the sex of the convict. pduction the Also the number of Vessels and Passengers cleared out from }cis Noble Friend lot believed'. he was making a fiat Itatement the ports of Great Britain and Ireland, together with the quan- . ' .. . , of what had happened, anti that there was a inning prima thy of goods exported to New South Wales in the same years. • •• . facie twee for arraigning the , . (lovernment flit a neglect of duty, —Ordered. BOUNTIES AND DRAWBACKS. in not availing; itself of a fit - opportunity to disarm, and bring Mr. MANNING moved for a Return of the amount of i back to peaceable habits, one of the parties which distracted Bounties and Drawbacks allowed upon Manufactured (foods the country. It never could he forgotten that one part of that ! country was arrayed in hostility against the other, and no oc exported from Great Britain and Ireland within the last six years ; distinguishing any increase or decrease of the amount casion of suppressing such party feelings should be neglected: allowed upon each article of manufacture.—Ordered. Ile caret'. not which parties they were ' • he wished' to - destroy WINE DUTIES. . Ribbonmen as well as Orangemen, and it was the first duty of Mr. W. SMITH presented a Petition from the Foreign the Government to put cloven all such parties withoei distinc- Wine Merchants of the City of Norwich, prayiug fur a ?ethic- tion whenever they had the power of doing so. Lion of the duty on the importation of foreign wines. Mr. PLUNKETT said, that in justice to the situation he had Upon the motion of Mr. T. WtosoN, the petition was or. the honou r t o h o ld , h e f e l t ca l led upon to ma k e a fe w observe dered to be referred to the Comm ittee on Forei g n Trade. dons on what bad fallen - from the Noble Lord and his Hon. and WEIGHTS AND MEASURES. - Learned ' Friend. Ile believed it was not regular hi that. House Sir G. CLERK moved the bringing up of the Report of the to ask for information for the purpose of examining whether it Weight and - Measures Bill. The R eport was received, and ! contained matter of complaint against the GOvernnient. Henn the Bill ordered to be read a third time on Monday. I derstood the practice of the House to be, either than there should Mr. KENNEDY presented a Petition from the Burgh of be a conclusive charge against the Government., or that there Avr against the Salmon Fisheries' Bill. should be a prima lack case of misconduct before informetien- After a short conversation between Lord AnCIIIDALD Ha- was granted. But he wou ld as k a ny titan who h a d h ear d th e MILTGN, Mr. DitumMosp, Mr. lie MS, the Loan ADVO- Noble Lord's Speech, wh e th e r there could he the least rational CAT E, and an lion. Member, whose name we could not learn, ground for any such charge or imputation. He had no ooca the Petition was ordered to be printed. f sion to Ask the House the any confidence to the Noble Lord at Sir M. W. RIDLEY presented a petition f r om certa i n Pro- the head of the Irish Government, but he trusted he mightbe prietors of Coll er i es in the n e ighbourhood of Newcastle, against e xcused saying that it was utterly imp oss ibl e th e re should exist the Coal Duties.—Ordered to be printed. an anxiety more intense—a perseverance more anxious, than ALIENS , the Noble Personage displayed in seeking—he would not says A Return was o r dered o f the number of persons sent out of 1 reasons, but an excuse for the exercise of the hipaieet and best the country und er th e Alien Act, between the years Ulf) and I prerogative of his eflice—inerey to the criminal. The Govern -1324, specifyin g the names of the Persona and the places to ment having obtained mean:, undertook to prosecute this where sent. m a nllualies, whom they found' the great mover and ringleader _ :HOUSE OF COMMONS. Leave was obtained to bring in a Bill to improve the Navi gation of the River Medway. NEGRO SLAVERY. Petitions were presented from a place in Cornwall by Sir W. Lemon ; from Kendal, by Lord Lowther ; from Ilolbeach and Lovrnde, by Sir W. Inglgby ; from Milden Hall, Wood bride, and Devizes ; from 011nacester, by Mr. B. Cooper ; from Hertford, by Mr. N. Calvert; from Maidstone, by Mr. Ro harts ; from the Parishes of Carlton, Bagwell, and Sutton, by Admiral Sotheron ; and from Wallsend, by Sir M. W. Rid ley. These petitions were disposed of in the usual way, by their being laid on the table, or ordered to be printed. SILKS. Mr. WARRE presented a Petition from the Silk Throwsters of Taunton, praying, that the prohibition on Voreign Silks may not be removed.—Ordered to be printed. Sir W. GUISE presented a similar Petition from Gloucester. —Ordered to be printed. Lord ALTHORP presented a similar petition from certain Proprietors of Silk Mills in the neighbourhood of Burton. His Lordship expressed his disent front the opinions of the peti tioners.—Laid on the table. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE presented a petition from the Crape Manufacturers of Taunton, praying (as we understood) that the alterations, proposed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer should not be carried into effect—Ordered to be printed. EXCISE LICENCES. Petitions were presented from the Licensed. 'Victuallers of the Western Division - of the Hundred of Brixton, by Mr. DENISON ; from Macclesfield, by Mr. DATENPOUT ; from Mansfield, by Admiral SOTHEIION; from Middleton, by Lord ALTIIORTZ • from the Wards of Vintry, Queenhithe, IVal brook, Candlewick, and Dowgate, by Alderman WooD ; and from Rochester.—The Petitions were ordered to lie on the table and be printed. COMBINATION LAWS. Petitions were presented from the Journeymen of Lough borough, by Mr. 111ANsriici.D ; from Gloucester; by Mr. B. COOPER; from Newport, Salop,.by Mr. PEratam ; severally praying that the Combination Laws might be repealed. IRELAND. Lord ALTHORP said he rose to move for the Production of Papers which were of the greatest importance to the eluci dation of the state in which Ireland had so long existed ; and he should proceed, at once, to state the reasons why he thought such Papers ought to be laid before the House. In the year 1820 there were great disturbances in the County of Galway, which extended also to part of the County of Mayo, so that the Hon. Member for Galway thought it necessary to move for the extension of the Insurrection Acts to those parts of the coun try. In consequence of this, several persons were tried and con victed. An Amnesty was then offered to all Ribbonmen who would give up their arms and take the oath of allegiance. The consequence was that since that time, even during the distress which prevailed, there had been no disturbance in the county, and the conduct of the people had been so good, as to demand the praise of the Committee who managed the relief which• was given them by this country. It was his intention to move, therefore, fOr a copy of the proclamation by which the amnesty was declared, and of any documents which might he in the. hands of Government relative to die conduct of the people since that period. The other case arose oat of the transactit.ms of 1822, when the Attorney-General prosecuted a number of persons for administering illegal oaths to the Ribond Society, two of whom were convicted and sentenced to be transported. A professional Gentleman, Mr. Bennett, who had defended one of these men, named Hughes, wrote to lilt. Gregory, the Secretary of the Lord Lieutenant, to inform him that a com munication had been made to him by his client, intimating that the Ribbonmen in Dublin anti Tipperary were ready to give up their arms and to take the oath of allegiance, if an amnesty were granted them. Mt. Gregory replied that he would lay the information before the Lord Lieutenant, and thin give Mr. Bennett an answer. Two Catholic Chaplains, Mr. hie and Mr. Yore, presented a memorial to the Government, stating h6w desirable it was that this Society should be put down, and recommending : that for the accomplishment of such an object; the execution of Hughes' sentence, if not mitigated, should be delayed. This memorial was entirely disregarded. In the July following, Mr. Bennett 'again addressed:3lr. Gre gory upon the .suhject, and received from him the reply, that he had no authority from the Lord-Lieutenant to give any AM ewer to the. communiCatiiin. The Noble Lord declared:ehat he could not poasibly.conceive by what motive,' the conduct of the Irish Government was actuated in.this affair: In candour he must admit, that he expected to liorsome' explanation .to show that they had extraordinary reasons fbr the course they pursued:. Mahe must also confess that his impression was un favourable towards them upon. the whole appearance of the o f t h e Ribbon Societies. It was imposSible to conceive how a man of his humble rank could have obtained such an influence over a large body of people, and by his single exertions have undermined their industry, their Morals, and their religious feelings. This man had been broweht to trial and convicted of their crimes, to the perfect satisfac tion of an impartial Jury. After that opportunity of making an example that was due to public justice, an application Was made to the Lord Lieutenant, resting on no other accredited mission than the Gentleman who had been employed tr make the defence of the prisoner. The Lord Lieutenant- refused-to enter into a treaty with this bend, and the- Gentleman alluded to failed in establishing his ere dentials. Übe had not Optc's°, instead of an amnesty, he (Mr. Pluukttt) should have had to. engage with him in a very different proceeding, and which he sh uhl have been very sorry to resort to. Without meaning any disrespect to Mr. Bennett, or the prioession to which in common they belonged, he • muse say that he could ima gine-no system worse than that of- nceeociating with .the pro fessional men employed by- such people, for the pnrposi: of getting at the true fire's of such a case. Again repeating that he intended no disrespect towards this Gentle:lran, he must state that upon former occateions the Government s that experieneed great ineonvenience front • listening to' progb sitions of a similar nature made through hint. The -docu ments called fur were not exClusively in the ponsession of -the Government, for the Noble Lord stated that he had 'coPics of them. lie only wished that the Noble Lord had - farther de tailed their contents to the House, as• he was sure there wduij not have appeared that ,unconditional application' to- the. Government which had been represented. If there• was• no condition annexed to this statement, that those 13,000 persons had arms in their hands, what *as to prevent than from giving them up, and ceasing to belong to an-illegal association . ? The plain meaning of such an application was,-" if yon will pardon us, there are sonic persons in our body ready to give their words that they will renounce their criminal course of - conduct." This proposition, too, was made by criminals on the one hard, and to be received by the Govefnment of the country on the other.—(Hear, hear !)—But • what was the threat held out in case the, proposition should be rejected ? It was this, -"•if.'you will not promise us a general amnesty, we will tontinbe'to•set the laws at defiance, and to debauch the people from-ther,al legiance." Any. Government attending for a moment to such *proposition would have covered itself with ridicule; it'll:Nils , robed itself' of all .future' authority. tither 'there Must 'have been that condition e or the - other of the pardon -of -Hughes. lie quite concurred with his Hon.. andeLearnedTriend: (- l ll r . Abercromby), that no hones: Governinent would make a dis,- WOOL DUTIES. Mr. MANSFIELD presented a petition from the Town of Leicester against the Importation of Foreign Wool. —Laid on the table. Sir R. FERGUSSON presented a similar Petition from cer tain Carpet Manufacturers in the County of Durham.—Laid on the table. •f Si • atrel new I he, my cal* radgf ony• Is ill. lord the he the de the iu•- bu- )re. ter, the ose 1-or .ww.. ......... :rag, r thy' rile, ;sq., Iler the Jay, - Ibo - isn- .~.! vx- Li