The Sun. — London, England, 1842-06-08 00:00:00

—and r the • ig Of tnrC l raePt • cnittu , Dig lit 9 , c.0 1,1(1- .11 ho I not, that and 'llOlll4 e. • bad red 0 01hL 1 14 `",. so t ' rell ___.....,...............e.-- -......--.........„—. 'en tha n 1 1 hoers, more frequently 12. -. and in some districts 13 be tal i : utt4 In D • h'r th • worked 17 hours out of the "24, eroy, i e they nag the time of their leaving home in the morning to their evteerziein im , the evenin g . I n th e east o f S co tl an d t h ere was c evidence to prove that that the labour is often tl :T.tilaued 15, 16, or 17 hours of the 24. Ihe evidence showed e .. t a l t i this system operated roost iejurionsly on the physical as • .as moral condition of the work-peeplc. There was no ti ttle set apart fur meals, and the poor child; en took their law . e tea best they might. With respect to the physical Effects le-a".its of the country there leas most abundant eyi isence. • Tire evidence of the children themselves was distres -120-lentleman who had been professionally employed for An Years 1 the iron works, said that there were many cases of -raw . • In . he,i a of different kinds brought on by this system of work. the orth Durham sod Northumberland the people stated that wereY woohl willingly suffer a diminution of wages if the hours i i shortened. In the east of Scotland the people suffered Year s the m ass extreme. Agnes Ker, a young girl. la ;ear s of Dar& n tg e a"aid, " It is sair crushing work bringing up these . Th e e s• s • ;Another said, "It is sair fatiguing work. '• .4ttlt } another kind of labour might be classed asfollows : e " ' e s d roWth, ' crif I I it irritation of the head and feet, a r e e o a il: l ' se e, tY Of disels e . ,p g re a m ' ature old age arid death. Dr. of the "aralsim reported that:several became cripples ; diseases gal s ' s i c 'oet were very common ; numbers of women and wer lE e eje gii tli e,i s t to ; tied in the spine and hip ; diseases of the , heart f t ' e ve r e aXerti e e many of them were ruptured, even lads,from nee -, an. ayeman were ruptured on both sides. A 1 des ' s: i s / LT al• witnesses geed in these statements. The most ae eet ° l 'a, ive disease which affected them was asthma; they were th -- %.,aa early as seven years of age, and at the age of thirty, for e :: •" a ' '/eary one amongst them that was not asthmatic: heal.e;"ll:pearscel at first, the patient did not suffer ingenerai e' was • their h ea l t h soon gave way, h owever , an d the disease Psises sre elY ever ended. The cause of this was, the want of ee r a l r, !4 'entilation. " The men," said an old miner of great a ve l e,c l ," die off like r o tte n s h e ep." The next disease was taieeia9at-raortlinaty on e , a nd of which the House perhaps Liao, - t',°'t have heard, it was the melenosis, or , the 0 2yeeel ) , 11 4e, whi c h arose f rom t h ere no t being sufficient most • „ Hi the air. The medical officers said it was the laid tf i l e riOils and faial disease of all; Dr. Harrison f bre e sqvaPtores were lassitude of the whole body, shortness i hie e,P9s- frequent stitches in the side, quick pulse—exce d e( - elpioVa strokes a minute—severe coughs night and day, hardly be a wotheereeepectoration of black spittle. It could _ l esult , q ",,t, then and remature old age and death onewer the vere'eals'tae labour, that long before death cam . they lieeeCairiyed, through disease, of the means of obteminga Rtea L t e r d . Another witness stated, that . at the age of 40 the d sl olt,..Paq of the colliers might be consulered . as disabled an * oou V.". Six months' labour in the mines, it was said, was u 'itti l , es' 4 effect a visible change in the parties employed. A , I , ll W,Pid that the foul lir in the mines seriously affected the Lhecthe children, and ' contributed to shorten their lives. thsteeTtnissioners in their summary of the Report stated e ach' e lsea rea were very often engendered in the mines, and that tieetileberation of that class of labourers were commonly ex- L I, aalel"°4 after SC. The moral effects of the system were few gte,l)tolatinent, and equally pernicious. He would make d.a a "ith e „` e tnents open that head, which would show thecon condition tle s i s ' e 7 Peoale, and how necessary. it was they should, if possible,. n ' t ailed j a r,etnedy for the_ evil.—( Hear, hear.) A clergyman dust ~,,•i4 . h is evidence that children of humble temper and c e..- ael,tert returned after a season in the collieries greatly lits .o e. and, as an old teacher said, " with the mnst ltelsh g a abit;', l9 , es '!' . The effect of the system was to superinduce 'tie e e -n u feelings of ferocity that were perfectly tremendous. s A ttet t l e Y , hid, that being unable to do what was beyond his qaote er 'T as thrown down and two of his ribs kicked out. tra t e 1 'avitness said that a boy was beaten with a stick, and tha t t o e e d.on till he could scarcely stand. Another witness said elrouOcia's•Were frequently beaten till the blood flowed from their tite'lif , ' Another person stated that he saw the uncle of a boy i 10r e .,a r . 91 7 the ears, and knock his head against the wall. a alaa."°,..e.he was hap ' py to say the accounts were more favour d - • l l ' bOe's 9 Halifax it is stated that they treat girls as boy e il l - gin the face, and making inquiry as to the cause, he had d tepee need that the lad had been knocked down and ,tamped Li 0,.Y e•collier, and in another case he had seen a boy with dosOlie.kn'oeked out, and otherwise maimed. There were no Rene:4ll4°Y exceptions to this ; but he was sorry to say that, atid •fe' Y : s i ) e ak ing, colliers showed themselves a most . unfeeling eals4°,elons race. The moral effect of these things was bad They an the male, but it operated much worse in the female. , were brought' up in ignorance of everything they ought tseetZ,and from the statements he had before him it appeared that eeefernales employed in mines were worse than men, and tontreetT_Once their mora l s were corrupte d t h e i r l anguage an d gobi es uw eanse frightf u l i n th e extreme. Th e R ev. R ic h ar d was ' st ated that th e practice of working females in the mines l a 4 4 . ° 1 . the great es t evils, ' physical, intellectual, and moral. Nee l e n cluence of the degraded condition of the persons , en ught the coal mines, the peasants refused to marry f the i lowed ers of colliers. The men drank, and the women o - e pit ' i r their example. Dr. Thornwall gave it as his decided 41 04, °4 2 , th at'Women brought up in this way scarcely knew what 'Lea f i a-Y. I , l as, except by name • and he trusted that before he 44 6 , ' Monk' have the satisfaction of seeing the system done Bosse t iott e w • it b.. He'(Lerd A,) knew that the Commissioners . had asset. 4 l3' roma - told the worst of the story. But it required , nt .7 ., eh imagination for those who heard the pre- At v r i,:ternent t4l' conceive what the extent of the evil was. tespela,lletil which required the vigorous and immediate in. for eedawn of the law to remedy it. Its suppression was called s he La the public virtue, public honour, public character, and be ' l4 9tee.d to say b the public sympathy. Never had there eta e l . 3 try „nee the first disclosures of the atrocities of the slave ta re 40 'univ ersa l a f eeling of horror as was now spread s se e hoot the cou n t r y on t h is matter. The well-intentioned i ei.o . neat proprietors who were anx i ous for an amelioration 116,4 be gratified to learn o f th e i ntroduction of the present la '1 ' Re should propose in his Bill to cut off the principal evil. ellaillotilil propose the tal exclusion of all females fom the s e _4a and collieries ie the kined ern . But there were parties ' avisre interested in maint aining t h e system, and he would aa 'ale t the House the m otives w h ich induced these parties to p h ~., , , tPose an alteration. The work people themselves said the ...ttrs arid women never go t coa l s, they only remained drawers, Cii woman at best was only considered as half a man. The a lateloolser said that one reason why the women were i:Ployed, or frequently in the coal-pits, was that a girl of k .e 9 t't years of age would work for 2s, a day, or less, while a se r that woulddemand 3s. 6d. Imade little differ 44 .0 age le ee t eou'd spend Is. or I s . Gd . per day more at the ale k, 9. But let t h em look at the mischief of th e sys t em. W as 4, e - et ° °d arra ngement f or the women ? Quite the reverse. sleeerteon of Barnsley said the female c h aracter was tota ll y thsA ai eYed ; that females so employed could neither discharge Itreer , l'. of wiv es nor mothers, and that he could see the tiail e e s j dif f ere nce i n t h e homes of those colliers whose wives satetakp into the pits. The Sub-C omm i ss i oner , M r . W oo d, °I%" I,` lo by saying,. that, after taking a very extensive view I : l l° l ati ee -- 7 : °::eas e ; the result of his inquiries was, that the (sm• th f.ett'll t Young parsons in such labours shut them out from aeaairili4Zowlettge ; that the wives could do little to render 'b e e t- ill'a r i .e leonifortable, and that the husbands were con- If e le to ee 'm to the ale-house. But in this matter they were It ~fe lli ere speculation; they had the benefit of experience. ''Clis. ' e s Wright, who was manager to . the Duke of 4 a s -, °elf ise as s el4 o ' -.Jed, that four years ago he superintended some S e alth eee m Which females and young children were excluded, ts e t tle - Z a sequence of their exclusion was a vast improvement thil es e sw., *in s and general condition of the colliers. Some s e lii•f ee 'ef:e, being desirous to avail themselves of the labour of etlie - ' 4 'es, and went to other pits, many of whom returned, ,Ilkotlldtleoedrlltihearst In eye a r n e y much more regular than heretofore. Mr. la t ' kit e Maxwell, who first issued those orders, as mana. families left, but they returned because e4lli went'ld the roads were improved, and many fe seLdease •into service and preferred it. Mr. Wright pro -laf't'h a '." he begg e d to call the attention of the House to ef for em e e ' stated—he said he felt confident that the exclusion as e Vi ew, 3 eras advantageous to the colliers in a physical point ite•Oate ee 'end why ? The cause was perfectly disgusting—it 1t;%9 th e' t uan anything he (Lord Ashley) ever heard of, be. draw, 4, Males would not work on bad roads—the females If oe w o e "ght only when no men could be induced to 1. 1 ,,,_,,-, 0 work. They were mere beasts of the . earth ataib e : s • they to remove this system and intro lisiia'4l, bi,` te ."? By the exclusion •of females the owners ah4;e'amis -trpolled to alter their system; the pits would be I sietlittl ie a ted, and better roads would be made, and so to s toa - uaii ; , system as to enable men who new worked only al, 'sf e ree.to the fortnight to discover their own interests in he lL ai 9 l - iee °e •, This was ' confirnsed by the . statement of Mr. 1 14 !t ee - 40 'never suffered females or children under ten tati t i - -I ' , t° go into pits, the consequence of which was aeoftgOlsulation there was in a state of great comparative Ni l .,ltUtal.'”l'ality. This was corroborated by Mr.. Hunter, 'ii f 9 tte e - ` n 1 consequence of new ventilation and improved 9 ll b a ' se v olt a ii' e s ,,ttd two boys got as much money as when the 9 ota te lltiei, .aenaales were employed, and many of the respect- Ni t 7o - 4 w, eta into service. —(Cheers.) Women had been te a of e'cittded, and no boys were employed under twelve Nt4tNtefi'‘e:: Thesewere the - rules, and the results had been la„ s taaet e eml to the state of the colliers. Before these rules `se t - i!'!atise;' The colliers were in the habit of migrating in the lltfe i tigli. ef ° ne-fourth, but since only in the proportion of e e 'er''''"'-iy,„,,He might very easily accumulate facts, aistittis e '''" not detain the House ; be might, how tled'is ha' that the manager of the Duke of Bee taillieje,7 ta, 4 l that since women min children had been ex. 1 4111,16 e • 7". h is Griee's mines, they had never bad occasion to %e tad ii - t r e '9e of coal.—( Hear, hear.) The next point of his Nesilro e s e .e ;eluSio n of boys under the age of thirteen years, tlia t elha , '''asta.te why he took this for the limit. In the first N ta t te To L ry Act - prohibits the labour of children under tkioasjivs'eaeiliVo,e employeis in the cotton and woollen districts 0 7 , ,,ti - w oh , an undue advantage was given to the mines 1 •••S ' ''''s ' hwished to dace them on an equality, that :4/Leeitlaba ; e Iv ~ ti t os able to procure a sufficient _ hater ni' "I t een. to meet the demands of the cotton and lirst,Steio:;9laeture. The evidence went to show that fourteen st ate/' bee s afat,her to liethe age, and that he shouldhimselfbefore , a 'ht.4„•L'Ot t ea e Y-*ent down into the pit there they must remain, e ltesiiaire t e n - ° -. ll g as those who set them ts . , work . chose. As to ittle Pas s 's, tr isl that was impossible at present, and ' 4 4, 14 ,t - 0 .- et i e t ..i would not be safe. He would net like to be Ito, s ee tas e e t i 9RO down into a mine to do anything that should +t e a ,iia o te ; t ° the miners. Mr. Mitchell said that all who went the as th e . must work what time the miners chose. hOilles 7., 191 " to have any thing like a system of police in % - q w e ,: r ersons guilty of offences against the law, but b": e tlie: n ot heinousnthe eyes of the miners, found a re kills.,‘ llnflae, 4 fact, few persons ventured to go down. There S l asee e "': evidence to show that the children employed in tele seterer.dared to complain of ill usage. Punishment had hill i er& lee fs,!eted by the owners in many instances,. but the tisOilieTaell alone below the -round. and had full liberty of N e e 4o r e u t !'ignuent on whoever they pleased. If the colliers k it s enee, .ego habits, there would be no necessity for 4 t ie seZepastl,7gtewornen and children in the mines, but the 'ge e oi days oe men would not werk rent than eight . days . N 44 ate fi n e ee in a fortnight, and sp the remainder of i d e up r e m'unkeness and debauchery and then, in order to tli s "reit in t o this lest time, they took ' d ,wn their wives and ,til t) P i t4 : e t ile pits. If the labour of women and children in is o a to de !? e titir ely . prohibited, then the men would find . it ,!w ett a,!oeir duty in a proper manner. The next provi gilogieeerLgi introduce was that no persons should be emloyed It ts 9 at tae ,a , but males turned twenty-one years of age; hew as ti,,oey,l,itthriat the matter was one which should be looked into, l e s i tttl e ee9 lltr y e . 4 t 9 br eserv e man valuable lives for the service . of 1 ")' 7 ef r Richards stated that in the mining s lth e rain" Devonsh ire, accidents were very numerous. Is s'igi atk et the miners were let down and drawn up ae,ati die attached to ropes worked by a steam-engine : that it Cu, 4quently teft in the charge of ' children of twelve' Nr t ha s s v er y ell five years of age. - The Sub-Inspector said Nee ee euminon in Derb shire to employ very young l of s out Purpose ; he htal known children of only ten Nest eic ei g e Performing that duty; the let down it as t sae, and h e h . . men were . e 04, the r had frequently seen the children to car!.. itItI4T, Orb le , . ()Pe get off the pulley. The miners seld 4 At, , c t hi ng that happened to them was she employing *l l* th l4 lO 44, engineers , and he added , th.at she a man ast 9 th e "Mae ssr - 14 „,. e roa n . a man's life, la, was net fit to be twested hriPl," ehiirt gement .of engines• Accidents were innumerable td,,,,- 74 en wer the engine;s, in consequence of drawing Mr. Wild spoke of this, by 1(1 ,4 01; a t ! I t T tttihe : l tt e Ire the wheel gear. n in the basket were frequeetly precipitated N e l l eti e ; e ' of the pit and crushed to atoms. One little boy taekltse'lleti toss to have had his attention attracted by the floor• he neglected, in consequence to a mouse ark:;',' 6 break; the ' burden turned over the wheel Rear, f %,)ttinate people were dastiast to the bottom 'reeeek7t thee'. lives. Such accidents were of frequentn and, of With respect o the fourth and last point he in- F+, . tended to introduce into the Bill, he trusted that the House would feel as indisnant with respect to it as he did ; he alltn'ed to the case of apprentices to colliers. That system i.vas carried e n in South De vonshire, Yorkshire, Lancashire, and the west of Scotland. In those places many of the colliers tool; three or four boys from the parish, and they supported themse!ves and their fa milies by their labour, doing no stork themselves. These lads were of , en doomed to 12 or 14 years of such slavery. and • the treatment they received was awful to contemplate. . Nov, was such a system necessary ? What was , here to learn that required so long an appienticeshiP? Absolutely nothing but what might be learnt in 10 or 12 days. Then, again, look at the treatment they received. The men would send these boys where they would not go themselves ; the consequence was that many had their limbs broken, and others lost their lives. One lad was brought before a surgeon to be examined ; he had from 24 to 26 wounds; his back and loins were beaten to jelly; his arm was broken below the elbow, and seemed to have been so for some time. When brought before a Nlagistrate he was unable to sit or stand. His arm had never been set, and he was obliged to work for several weeks in that state. • It was admitted by the lad's master that he was in the habit of beating the boy with a fiat piece of wood, having a nail driven into it. and which pro jected abaut half an inch. This it was which prod teed the wounds mentioned. But was that enough? No. The boy had . been starved for want. of food. He was then sent. home in a cart with his mother, a poor widow living at Rochdale. Well might the people of Staffordshire say that slavery was preferable to this—( Hear, hear)— for the negroes at leaA worked in open day, and had some one to whom they could communicate their sufferings. Now he asked whether it was right that any man, or body of men, or legis lature, should inflict such evils as tkese? These people had corn : milted no crime whatever, or if they had he hardly knew of any crime that ought to be so punished.—( Cheers.) He had been over tha , new prison at Pentonville that day, arid what. did he see there ? He never saw such preparations as were made for those who were doomed to imprisonment—such care of the apartments—the ventilation looked to and every care taken for those who had broken the laws of the land. Yet these poor children, whose only crime was poverty, were sent to work in these mines—( Hear, hear)—there to be subjected to an in fallible course of igeorarice and vice—for igoorant they must be, as they were not allowed one hour for improvement. If the House was anxious to continue the New Poor-law—whetl e it was unwise or not he would not say—surely it was wise to • give some relaxation to those who were employed in the • mariner he had described. He should therefore propose not only that apprenticeships should be abolished, but that every indenture in existence should he cancelled—(Loud cheers) — and let the oppressed go free.—( Loud cheers.) He would not long detain the House ; he felt he had already trespassed too long—(Cheers)—but the House knew hoc, be.had laboured in this cause.—(Continued cheering ) He would not say how needless and erroneous it was to employ women in this unseemly manner. But the occupation itself might still be rendered more happy and comfortable. The course he had pursued was part of a plan conceived some time since for the amelioration of the working classes. There were other re ports that would succeed, that would exhibit deeper and more appalliog views of this system. He had endeavoured on be half of the children to avert the mischief that was attendant upon it. He had no intention to interfere between master and man. It was easy to ascertain territorial statistics, but it was extremely difficult to obtain the moral statistics of the people. Ile had a rep , rt of the police in Manchester made up to the end of the year 1641, and drawn up at great length, by which they could judge of the children of the working population. ( The Noble Lord then readthe statement.) In the year ending September, 1640, there were confined in the county gaol of Durham 140 prisoners, of whom 60 were imprisoned for breaking some small item of the law. riut he thought it was impossible to . infer from this what was the state of the collieries in that district. That would be much better learnt from the casual evidence of the mistress of an infant school, who stated that oaths were exceedingly common in the mouths of girls of five and six years old, and that if she pre sumed to scold them they called her the mo,t opprobrious names, and that their parents frequently abused her for punish ing them. lie had been too long conversant with the working classes of this country to apprehend any violence from them as a body ; but if such an evil were allowed to remain unchecked, the day might arrive when there would be some special neces sity for the exercise of national virtue, and it would then be found that the strength of the empire was frustrated because that fatal disorder would then have reached its height. He be lieved that the people of this country were the most easily go verned of any nation on the face of the earth. If the Minister of the country would only win their eonfidence by appealing to their hearts, he would have no difficulty in ruling them. That he thought was abundantly shown by the patient conduct they manifested under their present distress.—( Hear.) His object was to enable the poor colliers to avail themselves of opportu• riffles of virtue and morality. It was barbarism such as he had detailed that he wished to reclaim.. He would conclude in the words of Holy Writ—" Let us break off our sins by righteous ness, and our iniquities by showing mercy to the poor, that it may be a lightening for our tranquillity." Mr. F. MAULE seconded the motion. The benevolence of the Noble Lord was highly, commendable, and he trusted that, with the aid of the House, the measure would prosper in his hands. The SPEAKER having put the question, Mr. LANIBTON could not but express his gratitude to the Noble Lord, for proposing legislation on this subject. It was one of the many proofs which the Noble Lora had given of his anxiety to benefit the poor. He believed, in the counties of Northumberland and Durham, the ages were nine and ten when they commenced work, and the exception was seven or eight. The whole root of the evil was to be found in the cu pidity of the parent, and his blind ignorance. That was an important truth, and he found a remarkable illustration of it in the county he had the honour to represent. In the Lambton collieries there were three large schools, where an able master was employed, and one of which he looked over himself. But what could be done, when the parent took away the child at a very early age ? If they passed a law to prevent children from working so young, they would do much to benefit the colliery population of the country. Education was the grand means by which they could reach the root Of the present system, but they must take care how they legislated on such a subject. Large bc:ties of men would be affected by their legislation, and they ought therefore to proceed cautiously and prudently. There was some slight exaggeration with regard to the species of work with which dill:ken commenced in the collieries of Durham end Northumberland. The nature of the work they commenced with was of a very easy character; and the Noble Lord slightly exaggerated in the statement be made with regard to those collieries. There had been an exaggeration with re spect to the effects on the health of the pitmen, and the bring ing on of premature old age; and, as a proof of that, he had a statement from Mr. Hardcastle, wha said that he considered the pitmen to be a healthy race; and with respect to prem• tore old age taking place at forty, he had the statement of the head agent of a large proprietor of mines, )who said that they had several men in their mines who ranged from sixty to seventy years of age. Thanking the House for the patience with which they had heard him, he would conclude by hoping that her Majesty's Government would take care, in this Bill, in limiting the age, that, while they attended to the feelings of humanity, they would also bear in mind that they were dealing with immense interests ; and, with respect to the labourer, he hoped they would recollect that his labour was his own pro perty, and that they ought to be careful how they interfered with it. Lord F. EGERTON would be sorry to say any thing that would lengthen the present debate, but he could not refrain from returning his best thanks to his Noble Friend for the measure he had introduced, as he felt convinced that it would tend to improve the moral, social, and religious condition of the labourers to whom it applied. He considered the assistance of the Legislature in such a matter most valuable and essential. The two must important parts of the Noble Lord's Bill were the age of the children employed, and the employment of females. In a moral point of view, he considered it a most unfit thing fer females to work in mines. His Noble Friend did well to call for the interference of the Legislature; and on behalf of those interested in the question, he returned his Noble Friend his most grateful thanks._(Cheers.) There was one point, however, on which he did not quite agree with his Noble Friend, and that was, as to the age at which children should be permitted to go into the mines. A benevolent clergyman, with whom he (Lord F. Egerton) had been in the habit of consulting on this subject, had given it as his opinion that the peculiar bend in the bank and hands which was neces. sary for the miners to carry on the labour of the pit, could not be acquired if the initiative of it had been delayed beyond 12 years of age. There was but one year difference between them, and that question might be easily arranged hereafter. Mr. HUME had seldom listened to a statement which had afforded him at the same greater pain and greater satisfaction. —( Hear, hear.) The House, as far as he could p,rceive, was unanimous in the desire to co-operate with the Noble Lord to carry out his benevolent designs. It was painful to reflect that these things should not have been brought to light until now ; that while thousands, and tens of thousands, were ex pended in alleviating digress abroad, there should be so much distress at home, uneeded and uncared , for. There must be something wrong in the nature of our Government, which could have permitted such scenes to go on so long. It was a great reflection on those who received yearly such large sums of money for superintending the moral and religious instruction of the people. He did not think the Nsble Lord had at all been guilty of exaggeration; on the contrary, the Noble Lord had selected his cases with great judgment and discrimination. He hoped the Government would give its best assistance to the Noble Lord, in order to enable him to accomplish his benevo lent object. He approved of the proposal of the Noble Lord, which was entirely free from the objections which he (Mr. Hume) had felt to certain other proposals of the Noble Lord. This was no interference between the matter and the work man. He did notgathe- from what had fallen from the Noble Lord, that it was any part of his plan to compel the adopting a system of education. He thought that such ought to lorm a psrtinn of the plan. It was as much a duty of the Govern ment to provide for the education of the people as for their physical wants. Such an important point ought not to be left to the casual and chance attention of individuals. No foreigner • would believe that such scenes could exist in a civilized country. The Noble Lord was entitled to great credit for the manner in which he had brought forward the subject, and he (Mr. Hume would be happy to afford him every assistance in his power. Sir J. GRAHAM was delighted but not surprised at the expression of feeling with which the statement of his Noble Friend had been received by the House. Those feelings must be cold, ;tad that reason perverted, which were not touched by the force of the argument, the singleness of purpose, the powerful views, and above all by the tenderness of nature, exhibited in the speech of his Noble Friend.—(Cheers.) He had never listened to any statement in that House which had been brought forward in a clearer manners—( Cheers.) It had perfectly satisfied him of that which he had known before, but which he had never before felt so forcibly, the amiable character of his Noble Friend. He was sure that the Noble Lord would feel the general assent of the House to be a re ward for the many sacrifices which . lie !sad made. He was sure that with respect to the objects of his Noble Friend there could be no difference of opinion.—( Hear.) He thought it indispensably necessary that the practice which prevailed in Cornwell of altogether excluding females from w or ki ng i n mines should be carried into general effect. It was degrading to the character of the country, and derogatory to the manly feeling of the pele, that females should be employed in wor k of this kind.—(Cheers.) Upon this all were agreed. He congratulated his Noble Friend, and he congratulated the House and the country, that on such a point there was no differ ence of oeinion.—(Cheers.) The next provision of the Noble Lord's Bill referred to the employment of boys. In Cornwall, the rule was not to employ boys meter twelve years of age. His Noble Friend propsed that they should not be employed under thirteen years of age. That was a disputed point, and although he (Sir J. Graham) thought that great care ought to be taken not to interfere with the parental con trol of children, still he agreed with his Noble Friend, that there ought to be limits to the years of age at which children should be employed in particular kinds of work, and he gave his cordial assent to the principle of the measure in this respect.—( Hear, hear.) As to the third provision, the super intendence of the machinery, he also concurred entirely with his Noble Friend. He agreed with him also in the fourth ensetment as to the employment of pauper apprentices, and in a B;Il which he had had the honour to lay before the House he had introduced a provision to restrict Unions from binding , 1 children to mining trades. — (Hear, hear.) The Reports of ' the Commissioners had shown that it )vas necessary to put E., Jimit to the period of apprenticeships, and, In his (Sir James Graham's) opinion, it was necessary to put. a 14114 to the exist- ing apprenticeships.—slHear.) He was suite sure th a t' tVe general approbation o all around him, and of the country at large, would reward his Noble Friend for h's exertions.— ( Hear, hear.) The measure could not be in better hands, And it should have his cordial support.—( Hear, hear. ) • •~' R ~4 Myi ,•,, Mr. TURNER ap; roved of the proposed measure, but denied that in Cornwall boys of a tender age were employed in degrad ing and slavish work. Mr. ST( it lIT WORTLEY cordially assented to the pro position of his Noble Friend, and promised him his steady co operation. Mr. WARD congratulated the Noble Lord upon having done the must useful thing that had been effected in the pre sent session.--( Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord had accom plished what he bait been striving for, thsough 28 yea, s, and had released his countrymen from werae than Egyptian bondage—( Hear, hear)—and he assured the Noble Lord that he had not in the House one more cordially disposed to co operate with him than he was. Mr. BELL concurred in all the eulogy that had been passed upon the Noble Lord, and could bear testimony to the truth of the statement, that in Cumberland and Durham females were not employed in the mines. Mr. BROTHEItTON thought that the country owed a great debt of gratitude to the Noble Lord for having, in the first place. obtained an inquiry into the practices of the coal miners, and then proposing a measure that would put an end to those evils.—( Hear. ) It was astonishing that they should have been allowed to exi-t in this country.—( Heir, hear. ) Seeing that great cruelties had been practised, it was desir able that they should be put an end to. What had been said of Durham and Northumberland had convinced him that it was quite unnecessary to employ ferrules in mines. Considering the wealth the mines yielded to the owners, he thought they ought to pay more attention to the education of the persons they employed. He had heard that in Lancashire not fewer than 3,000 females were employed, and that there was a very low standard of morality amongst them. This sort of work was unsuited to the female character ; it unsuited them for domestic duties, and had a demoraizing effect on them and on their chil dren. Ile should, therefore, give his hearty assent to the mo• tion of the Noble Lord to bring in this Bill. Mr. PA KINGTON could not allow that discussion to close without addressing a few words to the House upon the most interesting subject then under abscission. He did not mean to detain the House by making any allusions to those details which the able speech of his Noble Friend the Member for Dorsetshire had so faithfully described. Ile felt it neces sary to anvert to those details, because he was delighted to find the impression made on the House, and the unanimous feeling which those detaiis had occasioned in that House, that it was absolutely neeessary that some legislative measure should be taken try put an end to the evils described by the Noble Lord. His (Ms. Pakingt n's) object in rising was to express the warmth of his feelings, and the deep admiration of the course his Noble Friend had taken on this subject. He (Mr. Pakington) had no hesitation in saying that the whole course taken on this subject was one which did the Noble Lord infinite honour, as a friend to suffering humanity, and a benefactor to these suff firing people. He thought the House would feel that the Noble Lord had secured to himself a name and reputation more powerful than rank and wealth could give.—(Cheers.) He (Mr. Pakington) had also heard with great pleasure and satisfaction the speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary for the Home Depart ment. He must say that after the satisfaction he felt at the Noble Lord the. Member for Dorset, he did not know any thing that bad given him more satisfaction, and the House and the country must be grateful to the Right Hon. Gentlem a n and her Majesty's Government in giving this measure their suppo r t; and he did hope, under these circumstances, even at that late period of the Session, and with still important business before the House, that the Noble Lord would be enabled to carry this measure during the present session. —(Hear, hear.) Mr. GIBSON rose for the purpose of correcting a misappre hension that might arise from a statement in the speech of the Noble Lord, of some statistics relating to prostitution in the manufacturing districts. He thought the account was exagge rated, for, he believed, that they would find as much demorali sation in this town as io the manufacturing districts. Much of the demoralised state of the manufacturing districts arose from the depressed state of trade. Mr. PROTHEROE begged to assure the Noble Lord that his efforts were watched with great anxiety by the district which he represented. He would take that opportunity of ex pressing his gratitude to the Noble Lord for having sent a Com mission to inquire into the part with which he was connected. The people in the Forest of Dean had reason to bless the Noble Lord for his exertions. Lord ASHLEY said it was almost unnecessary for him to reply to what had been said. He. must express the sincere gratitude he felt to the House for having so taken up the ques tion. He felt that the House would obtain great honour with the country, as they had no sooner discovered the enormous evils which existed than they attempted to remove them.: Leave was then given to bring in the Bill. _ WITNESSES INDEMNITY BILL. _ _ Mr. ROEBUCK wished to ask a question of the Government with respect to a Bill he had introduced. The writ for Notting ham had been suspended until this Bill was passed, and he only wanted to know alie n th e f urt h er discussion upon this Bill would be taken. He had been in that House night after night till a late hour, expecting this Bill to come on. Lord STANLEY, who spoke with his back to the gallery, and in so low a tone of voice as to be scarcely audible, said that the subject was one of great importance ; although his Right Hon. Friend, the First Lord of the Treasury, was unavoidably absent, he thought he \ might undertake to say, on. the part of his Right Hon. Friend, that they would go on with the discus. lion at five o'clock on Friday (as we understood). Mr. ATT WOOD wished to know if the duty on timber would be reduced, imported into the Isle of Man? Mr. GLADS'I'ONE said this was a question which did not come under the consideration of the tariff; but no change was contemplated with respect. to the Isle of Man—that would be a separate considerati-n. THE TARIFF. The House then resolved itself into Committee on the Cos toms Act. _ . On the clause regulating the duty on boots and shoes being proposed, .Mr. PALMER said that as he had presented many petitions on this subject he wished to say a few worth. He believed that every person engaged in the manufacture of boots and shoes was in very indigent circumstances, and if Hon. Gentlemen in that House would be as energetic in upholding the cause of their poorer brethren as they were in protecting their own interest, he believed that he should in this case have as good a majority against her Majesty's Government as there was the other nigat against the motion of the Right lion. Member fur Bath. lie must say that he did not think her Majesty's Government had done enough for the people, not withstaneing what the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Ministry had said about his desire to give employment to the poorer clases.--( Hear, hear. ) He was afraid the Right lion. Gentleman the Vic-President of the Board of Trade would not assist him. Might he hope that anything would be done towards giving increased protection to the manufacturers of boots and shoes by Hon. Members in that House ? He begged to move that the duty on•laches• boots and shoes, which was formerly 1/. 10s. per dozen, now 125., should be increased to 1/. Mr. WARD would support the tariff in this point, because he believed it would extend trade and open new channels for commerce. Mr. LAWSON said that there were upwards of 30,000 working shoemakers in London alone; and if foreign boots and shoes were to be admitted at a reduced rate of duty, those men would be thrown out of empl o y men t ; an d h e should likes to know what advantage would arise to the public wlf.eh might compensate those men for the loss they sustained? He thought the case of the working shoemakers deserved the atten tion of the House, and he hoped this part of the tariff would be reconsidered. Mr. B. WOOD believed that there were but few parties in this country who were so poorly off as the makers of boots and shoes. He did not mean the shopkeeper, but the actual manufacturer.—( Hear, hear.) The tax about to be imposed was Is. per pair, instead of 2s. thlt' Now he believed that the whole of that difference would be taken from the pocket of the labouring man ; and he must say that he thought the Right Hon. Gentleman had dealt more hardly with this class of 'nun than with any other. He could assure the Right Hon. Gentleman that there was no class of persons in greater distre.s than they weze ; and he did hope the Right Hon. Gent. would consider the proposition of the Hon. Member for Essex. Mr. GLADSTONE thought that no grounds had been made out to sanction any departure from the proposed altera tion of the duty on this article. It should be remembered that we were at present great exporters of boots and shoots, we could already make them at as cheap a rate as any ether country in the world, and by lowering the duty upon the ma nufactured article, he conceived that he was conferring a great boon upon the trade, inasmuch as greater facilities would be afforded to exportation. Mr. COB EN thought the House should have commenced the application of the pr;nciples of free trade with the great article of corn. Mr. S. WORTLEY said that the protection to home grown corn had been diminished, as well as the protection to other articles. Mr. COBDEN said that the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government admitted that corn and sugar were two articles practically excluded from the operation of the prin ciples of free trade. Mr. WILLIAMS was decidedly of opinion that the House should have begun by diminishing the duties upon corn and sugar. . laptain PECHELL supported the amendment. Mr. B. WOOD complained that many of the reductions in the tariff would fall with peculiar severity upon the poor labourer. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he believed the proposed alteration would be favourable to the tradesman in this country. The present duty upon foreign boots and leather was so high, that it was evaded to a great extent and became practically inoperative. He deprecated the discussion of other articles than the one under discussion. • Air. COBDEN said that it was not the fault of free traders on this side of the House that the Government had commenced by making an exception with regard to corn, but as long as they did make these exceptions with regard to different articles they must expect to hear of them ; and, as far as corn was concerned, he hoped the Ministry would continue to hear of it till the mo• ' mcnt of their political death.—( Hear, hear. ) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that when be was addressing the Committee he merely confined himself to the question before it.—( Hear, hear. ) The Committee then divided, and the numbers were— For Mr. Palmer's amendment Against 1 4 l4d . Majority against the amendment —ll2 The item was then agreed to, as were the remaining items of the tariff, as far as the articles, of cotton mannfacture. On this item, , Mr. MILNEIt GIIZSON wished to know on what principle the Goverment proposed to levy a duty of 10 per cent., on ar ticles of cotton manufacture ? The cotton manufacturers did not ask for protection, but only to be allowed to exchange their produce freely with the corn and other commodities of other countries. Mr. GLADSTONE said he had never supposed that the cotton manufacture had been raised to its present state by means of protection. It was similar to the case of the iron trade. The iron trade had no more been raised to its present state by prOtective duties than the cotton trade ; but there were certain branches of the iron trade to which a moderate protec tive duty was of some importance. There was no trade which had less reason to fear foreign competition than the cotton trade; yet there were certain cases in which protection was thought necessary as a security against the effects of foreign competition, and he hoped the Committee would not refuse that protection in this case, in order to prevent certain agri cultural gentlemen from using it as an argument against re pealing the. Corn-laws. • Dr. - 130 WRING supported the Government proposition. Mr. M. GIBSON said he hoped if they retained the duty on cotton, it would not be made a pretext for retaining the du ties on agricultural produce. Mr. COBDEN said that the whole question was whether the cotton manufacturers were or were not benefited by this nomi nal protection. If it could be shown that they had no protec tion, he trusted that Hon. Members opposite would be willing to withdraw their claim to protection for articles of agricultural produce.--( Hear, hear.) He contended that the cotton ma nufacturers had, in fact, no protection whatever ; on the con trary, that they were placed under the greatest disadvantages in competing with the foreign manufacturers. Lord SAN DON said he could not admit that the state ment of the Hon. Member was correct; if all cottons were of the same quality, it would be perfectly true. Dr. BO RING said that at the first meeting of the Anti- Corn-law delegates a resolution had been passed to the pfrgEt that, while they reguired free trade in corn and provisions. they up proteCtio4 §yei'y'arti4 coiiiained T .t 7N i V Y O : OD, in s4PPOrt of the government .pro position,ineiltrheire.l‘allrliql.finu;ted the words of Mr. Hoskisson, who in l tip goo that the then dutit • on manufactured cotton imported were a THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDA Y MORNING, jinfE , lB; 1842,- . . . . . . per cent. on certain descriptions 67/. 10s. yer cent. on others, and 501, per cent, upon a third description. That was the ex tent of the protection on cotton up to the year 1825. when Ise (Mr. Huskisson) proposed that, ;nstead of that graduated but monstrous scale, all foreign manufactured cotton should be ad mitted at 10 per cent. Mr. 1311.00KLEHunsT was very much astonished at the Noble Lerd opposite ( Lord Sandon) calling him a free-trader. Ile deprecated the present system adopted with respect to the tariff, and he hoped the ti me was not far distant when the Legislature would return to the sound principles of protection. • viscount SANDON excused himself for considering the Hon. Gentleman a free trader. He was glad, however, that his obsrvations hadcalled forth from the Hon. Gentleman an avowal before the House of his opinions. Mr. MANGLES said he did not think it right.that the ex ports from India should be subject to a duty of more than five per cent., while the exports from England were liable to only a duty of two and a half per cent. The exports from India had deereased 1,300,000/. between the. years 1814 and 1637, and appealed to the Government whether it was fair, after destroying the manufactures of India, by .their competition with them, to charge a double amount of duty on the few manufactures which remained. He should therefore propose that the duties should to made equal. After a few words from Mr. 0. PALMER which were in audible in consequence of loud cries of " Divide," Mr. COBDEN said, if they bad an importation it was chiefly of printed calicos and mousseline-de-laines, the very artlcles in svh ch his manufacturers were employed. He did not send any abroad, but his dependence was on the home market, and h, was notwithstandin g an advocate for the im portation of Freech goods, duty free_( Hear )—be were a model or :mind*. '1 hey were not to be put on short allowance because people abroad did not like the silks of the lion. Member for Macclesfield. Let the silks be improved, and they would then be bought.—(Laughter.) But it seemed the people of Alacelesfiehl Were not agreed themselves, because they sent two gentlemen of d:fferent opinions to that House. Mr. GRIMSDITCH said that the people of Macclesfield JJ were quite agreed as to the injurious effects of free trade, which would ruin the country if carried into operation to their full extent. He hoped the Government would not be led away by such erroneous principles.._( Hear and laughter.) Sir. PEIIRAND must protest against the Hon. Member for Belton being considered an authority upon the question of tree trade, for he had been informed by two Swiss gentlemen, that when the Hon. Gentleman was in that country, he would' not reeeive the evidence of those who were opposed to his principles.—(" Hear, hear, and considerable confusion.) He must also protest against it being supposed that the Corn-law League were the represeittitives of the manufacturers of the country.—("Hear, hear," and increased confusion.) Dr. BOWIIING rose, with some warmth, to refute the statement that had been made by the Hon. Member for Knaresborough. He had asserted that he (Dr. Bewring) had either siepressed, or refused to reeeive, certain evidence ; he therefore called upon him to state the authority upon which he asserted that he had . suppressed what was -true, or intro duced what was false.—( Cries of ". Hear," and confusion.) Mr. FERRANI) would not name his . authority. He had never stated that the Hon. Member hadsupPressedthe evidence, and what he stated was; that the Hon. Member had refused to receive evidence exceptdt coincided with his views.—( Great confusion. ) opposite, that that was no reason:why they should he dealt with unfair;y. Mr. FERRAND rose to explain. The Right Hon. Gen ; tlernan who had just addressed the House said that he rose as • a Member of the late GOVernment, who appointed the Hon. and Learned Member for,Bolton to go abroad to get up evi device. He (Mr. Ferrand) asked the House, and he asked the couetry, whether it was not at that time notorious that the Hon. and Learned Member for Bolton was a violent advocate of the principle of free trade? He (Mr. Ferrand) asked the Right Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down whether it was not notorious throughout the country that the Hon. Gentleman was sent abroad by the Government for the purpose of getting rid of him ?—( Loud cries of " Order, order, • and confusion.) It was notorious throughout 'the country that the Government sent the lion. and Learned Gentleman abroad for the purpose of getting rid of his advocacy of that principle which he (Mr. Fero and) had no hesitation in. saying that he supported is a straightforward and honourable manner. —(Cries of " Divide," " Adjourn," " Order.") But had he (Mr. Ferrand) not a right, to canvass his conduct abroad in the service of the public, and was he to be told in the House of Commons that he had no eielit to make a remark upon it; or form an opinion as to the manner in wh;ch that evidence had been got up ? He was there to say him elf that he was dissatisfied with the conduct. of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman abroad. Be thought in the evidence which he did get he was not anxi ous to prepare a fair report on both sides of the question, but that it was based, as naturally it would be, upon a strict free trade principle. It was utterly impossible that he should come back with a satisfactory report to the people of this country.— ( Order, order.) But he (Mr. Ferrand) begged leave to tell the Right Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, that he had not three times repeated his e.ssertion with regard to the Hon. and Learned Member fur Bolton. fie had repeated what he heard, that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was most anxious for evidence in fevour of a free trade principle.—(Cries of Order, order, and considerable confusion.) This was what he had said. —(No, no.) One word with regard to what had fallen from the Noble Lord the Member for Sunderland. The Noble Lord had made use of the expression that language so grossly im proper ought not to be tolerated in that House. If he (Mr. Ferrand) had used language grossly improper in that House, he had no doubt whatever that the Speaker would have called him to order.— ironical cheers.) At any rate he thought the Noble Lord was the last person to make such a charge. Mr. BRuniERTON rose to move that the Chairman re- Iport progress. On the question being put, Mr. WALLACE said, in the whole course of his experience, and he had sat in four Parliaments, he never witnessed such a scene in the Howe of Commons. He was very much asto nished to see that so many Hon. Members of great experience on the other side of the House could not assist the Noble Lord, the Member for North Lancashire, in an attempt to put an end to the scene. He (Mr. Wallace) had never in his life at tempted to stop the proceedings of the House. He had always voted against the adjournment of the House at twelve o'clock, or any other hour, for he thought no man ought to come there who was not possessed of firmness of mind, and texture of con stitution.—( Laughter.) He held that if a man were not pos sessed of these requisites, he was unfit to have a seat in the House.—( Laughter.) Yes, he said it was effeminate, and he would look do.vn on it.—( Laughter.) But he would on that occasion second the proposal of adjournment, but he did so with great reluctance, and it was on the ground of the absence of the Right Hon. Baronet, who was the leader of the House, and the accredited organ of the Crown ; and as he saw no one there who seemed to have that authority on the Ministerial side of the House which the Right tr.. Gentleman possessed.— (Laughter.) There was another matter to which he would shortly advert, and he begged particularly to address himself to the Noble Lord. When the Noble Lord introduced the Coer cion Bill— Lord STANLEY—I did . not introduce it. Mr. WALLACE—No; - the Noble Lord did not introduce it, but still it ought to be called the Noble Lord's Bill.—( Cries of " Questior.") He was speaking to the question, for the question was the adjournment of the House ; and if lass cheer ing, and more—(Loud cries of. " Order, order.") Well, then—( Repeated cries of " Order")—would Hon. Gentlemen wish him to name the man, and he would do it?__(" Chair," "order," and " question.") Well, then, he would name the per son ; and he must say, that the foremost in the cheering was one of the nearest relations of the Right Hon. Baronet, who was absent._( Cries of " Order.") lie said so again ; he was not to be bullied by him, or by any one elte.—(Confusion, and cries of " Chair, chair.") Lord STANLEY said he was sure that the Hon. Gentle man was anxious to maintain order; but he must perceive that he himself was not setting a very good example, as, by apply ing the word " bullying " to any Hon. Member, lie would at once see that he was exceeding the rules of the House, and he ( Lord Stanley) would advise him immediately to return to the subject before the 110114. Mr. WALLACE said he was obliged to the Noble Lord, but he was not aware of what had fallen from him, but he would at once acknowledge that the word " bullying " ex ceeded the rules of Parliament. With respect to the proposal before the House, he thought they should atones accede to it ; but he was ,going to say, that the Noble Lord bad • often refused to give the names of parties on public grounds. Now he (Mr. Wallace) said that when Hon. Gentlemen made a personal attack, they ought to give the names of the parties. He should never think of bringing an accusation against any one without giving an authority. He could not believe that such a course was manly, and he hoped they would get rid of the habit of speaking in such a strong manner in the House. He begged pardon of the House for having spoken in the strong terms in which he did, but he asked pardon of no indi vidual ; it was of the House alone he asked it.—( Laughter. ) Colonel PEEL said the Hon. Gentleman was understood as retracting the words made use of as far as the House was con cerned, but that he would make .no apology to individuals. Mr. WALLACE—I have retracted the word bullying. Colonel PEEL—I can only say that there is no gentleman whose opinion I would less wish to have than the Honourable Gentleman's.—( Laughter.) Mr. M riNGLEA then moved that the duty of 5 per cent. on Indian manufactures•should be reduced to 3} per cent. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, isut no division took c u e s , e i and in e o o n n s d o e u r r ib r l e e -iidm confusion,i admission to the o and ccries es gallery o f Name,w foundnamteh, resounding - from the Opposition side. Mr. FERR AND, with considerable warmth, said he would not name. He was prepared to stand by. his assertion, and would not retract a word of what he had stated. He had brought no charge against the character of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman.— ! (Cries of " Oh, oh.") He had heard it from the Mayor of a Swedish town, at whore table the Hon. Member for Bolton had sat, that be was more inclined to take the evidence of manufacturers in favour of his views than those opposed to him.—( Hear, hear.) Lord HOWICK could not help expressing his astonishment at the statement of the Hon. Member, that he had brought no charge against the Hon. Member for Bolton. Why the fact was, that the he had told the House that the Hon. Member, being in a responsible situation, and charged to collect evidence, had suppresved deliberately some parts of that evidence. Mr. FE RRAN D—l did not say so. Lord HOWICK would hire the Hon. Member the benefit of the mistake ; but in doing so he would ask what distinction there was between refusing to receive evidence and suppressing it ? He would ask the House whether, from what had passed, the Hon. Member had not made a charge against the Hon. Member for Bolton of having refused to take evidence ? Mr. FERR AND—I did not say so. Lord HOWICK—The House had heard what had passed, and ho would appeal to the recollection of the House as to what had taken place in the debate on that night.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Member, it appeared, thought that in making a statement of the kind, he was not making a personal charge ' aeainst the Hon. Mo.nber for Bolton. H e (Lord Howick) had a different opinion as to what was the duty of a person sent out ' for the purpose of collecting evidence. The Hon. Member might think that the conduct which he had imputed to the Hon. Member for Bolton was perfectly allowable, and conveyed no personal imputation. If that was the opinion of the Hon. Member for Knaresborough as to what was allowable to persons advocating particular opinions there, when that Hon. Member wished his (Mr. Ferrand's) statement to he taken, he must furnish most minute particulars, in order to test their accuracy. —( Loud cheers.) That Honourable Member considered thit it was no charge against the Honourable Member for Bolton that he had refused to take evidence against himself. If that was the Hon. Member's notion of what was the fair way of taking evidence, when he told the House the result of his in quiries they should recollect the principle upon which it was fair to take evidence.—(Loud cheers.) The Hon. Member had chosen to allude to him (Lord H.) as one of the Members who had called upon him to name the authority upon which he had made such a grave charge against the Hon. Member for Bolton. lie certainly had called out " Name," and he would wow say, if the Hon. Member were pleased to make charges of that kind in that House, it was his duty to give up the name of his informant.—(Loud cheers.) Hon. Members ought either to abstain from making charges of this sort, or be prepared to substantiate their statements.—Jemd cheers. ) No men, when called upon to substantiate a teatement of that sort, had any right to turn round and say—Will you believe me ? He was bound to believe that every gentleman stated that which he believed to be true ; but he would tell the Hun. Gentleman ( Mr. Ferrand) that he had not that confidence in his juagment to rely itnplicity upon its accuracy.—(Loud cheers.) All he desired was, to see justice done to the lion. Member for Bolton ; and that could not be done unless the party, on whose authority the statement was made, was mentioned, and alto the time and place where the circumstances were alleged to have occurred, so as to give the Honour able Member for Bolton' a means of contradicting it. Vague assertions of that sort ought not to be re ceieed, unless means were given to test the accuracy of the statement. —(Cheers. ) He felt this necessity the more strongly, because this w as no t t h e first time that the Hon. Member had made vague charges, which he had afterwards shrunk from sub s t an tiating.—(lmmense cheers from the Op position, and cries of " N ame, name, " The Hon. Member was perfectly aware of the circumstance to from Mr. Ferrand. ) on whichra ble Memberhe hail never which he alluded, which h a d occurred a few evenings since, when charges, the h eHonourable had tho upguhtt inu properseh a shape to make vague as to enable the parties to repel them. (Cries of " Name, name," and " Order, order.") The Hon. Member might think it very witty to call Name, name ;" but the complaint was, that the Hon. Member's charge was so vague and applied to so large a class, that it was impossible to name the persons to whom they did allude,—(Cries of " Name," from Mr. Ferrand.) He named the Hon. Member himself as the person bringing those vague and unsubstantiated barges, and he would give the charges brought against the Anti.-Corn law League as an instance. Every charge brought forward in that House .ought to be brought forward in such a manner as to enable the parties charged to repel it. This practice of bringing forward vague charges ought not to be encouraged by the House—(Loud cheers)—and he would never be deterred by any notice the Hon. Gentleman might think fit to take of him, of expressing his opinion of iiiie'extreme and gross im propriety of Hon. AlembeesThringing forward charges which could neither be properly substantiated nor repelled. Lord STANLEY trusted that the House would feel with him that this discussion was at once profitless and painful.— (Hear, hear.) It had originated itsan expression casually dropped by the Hon. Member for Knaresborough. (Cries of No, no.") The Honourable Member for Knaresborough had stated that he begged that it might not be supposed that• the Honourable Gentleman opposite could be taken as an authority on certain opinions, because he had heard casually during his travels in Switzerland, that the Hon. Member for Bolton had listened to evidence on one side more readily than on the other.—(Oppesitien cries of " Re fused to take evidence.") He would admit this, that the statement of the Hon. Member did convey against the Hon. Gentleman opposite a charge in his public capacity which the Hon. Gentleman was certainly called upon to meet.—( Loud cheers.) But the Honourable Member for Knaresborough did not bring forward. the charge upon his own knowledge, he stated that he had heard so in Switzerland ; and the Han. Member for Bolton, having in his place in Parliament utterly denied the charge, of course, from that moment, the charge fell to the grnund.—( Loud cheers.) The Hon. Member for Knaresborough. however, had not made the charge on his own authority—be had stated that he heard so and so in Switzer land; and if, whenever an Hon. Member made a statement of that sort, he was to be' immediately takeneip and asked who told him that, and when did he hear it utrered—(Cries of " Oh, oh," and laughter, from the Opposition, met by cheers from the Ministerial benches)—there would be no end to these scenes of profitless discus•iion, which would lead to a painful waste of the time of the : : HoUse. The very it the Hon. Gentleman opposite disclaimed the charge, resting, as it did, upon anonymous authority, he was entitled to the full benefit of that denial, and ought to be considered as cleared by . the House and the country.—(Loud cheerss) The Hon. Mamber did not vouch for • the statement himself. The Hon. Gentleman on the other side, in his place In Parlia ment, denies it; and he hoped the Committee would permit the matter to drop, and permit, the consideration of the tariff to he resumed. Every one was agreed as to the necessity of get? ting through the tariff as speedily as possible, and yet every particle in it had led to a long discussion, not of the article of itself, but on every other question.—( Hear, hear.) Let tl e consider that there were 750 articles in the tarifa; that they had still el pages to get through before even. the Bil l could be brought in, and if night after nigh t discussions of this sort were to be raised, it was impossible to say when they . would get through one page ; and lie wou ld earnestly req uest the Come mittee not to engage any more in these discussiops, which must be at once so painful and to exasperating to sloe feelings of all parties. Mr. F.. T. BARING must say .one word as to the tiniest and unfair charge which had been made against the Hon, Member for Bolton. It. would not be consistent with fairnets, if he sat down without expressing his opinion that the charg e , a , what ever might have been the words used, conveyed the idea that the Hon. Member for Bolton had acted disgracefully, Witkout dwelling upon the particular words that 4.4 beer; T tiled by the lion. Member for Knaretboroaght who had made three speehes each differing from the athere—(Loud cheers)— yet, taking any one of them, the charge conveyedwas,that the Hen. Gen-, tleman, in the confidential performance of a public d u t y , bed been guilty of gross mi s conduct.—( Hear, hear. ) , New; ryhen a charge of that nature was made, it %Val h r 8 ,- k_ t :tilat a disiinci specification should be giver), in erdaa tO Pllala P e the a'a m tis e d person to Lift the charge. What he cglifllainCrt of in the Hoe. Member for Knaresborough wa4, that he had brought forward a charge against a public servant of misconduct in his official I capacity, and when asked from whence the charge came, the Hon. Gentleman said he would not answer the questicpe If he had made a charge against any person, 144 heel keen called upon to give th e y persop an epartetnity. to repay, he had said jie wmald give thiata tso ql.)(,)rilinitY of moetlau those charges, what wou ld h ave been said, net_ male on the other side, but his own s id e o f t h e liettee ?—I ( Cheer's'. ) The common courtesy of the,House when a statement was ma d e , was that credence would be given to it. The Hon. Gentle man opposite had made the, charge three times,( Heir hear. ) He . made the charge first rad it • Was . 'denied. ' Again the' charge wed oiadc, and again denied and a third time he charge was 'made and denied. Ile had no right tli defend ruv4 , oervanti;. but when a charge was th the rfoesibility o f m e e ting it, h e considered it was tinting unfairly, be it 'on "which side it n;tight. Ilse lipeo tla thefiNiObre hoed that thesepcuision3 Vi , iteel Ole ttatte ofhe House, bait' lip t t A`' siY tilat lieesettie.y sat on this Side of the 041 e, tiappoßed to held opinions contrary to gentlemen Mr. C. HULLER said he was not at all sorry that the discussion was of a personal character, as he thought it was high time that the House ought to know what was to be to lPrsted in that Howe. The Noble Lord had kindly endea voured to draw the matter to a conclusion in order to restore the character of the House. What he (Mr. Buller) com plained of was the specific character of the charge, and then the Hon. Member's unwillingness to prose it. Mr. FERR AND—NO. Mr. C. BULLER hoped the Hon. Gentleman would not contradict him until he heard what he had to say. What he complained of was that on that occasion the Hon. Gentleman had come forward, not contenting himself with making mere vague charges, but came forward with specific charges, and said he would name the individuals, and when called upon to name them he refused to do so altogether.—( Hear. Now he said, that if th e H on . G en tl eman ma d e c h arges, h e ought to give the names of the parties. It appeared that the Hon. Gentleman neverinade charges but what he discredited himself—(Laughter)—therefore the Hon. Gentlemen on that (the Opposition) side of the Hearse always considered, that the more specific he made the charges, the less able was be to sup por. t them —( Hear, hear, and. laughter.) H e was not im pugning the Hon. Gentleman's veracity; he meant him no offence; he did not intend to do se. He simply imputed to him a want of caution and care in making assertions, which left them in a very awkward predicament, and produced scenes in that, House which ought not to occur. His Hon. Friend complained of the parties opposite. But when the cat was away. the mice would play.—( Laughter. ) He must say.that the sports of that night had been rather up roarious... 4 Laughter.) They, had been indulged in freely on the other side the House.. But they had been carried on with boldness, as though they felt relie,yed from a restraint, and they therefore indulged in tirade; Igainst the Right H on . Baronet —(Loud laughter)—whiarwould shock the Right Hon. Baro net to hear.—( Continued laughter.) With regard to the motion for adjournment, on the ground 'of the absence of the Right Hon. Baronet, or a motion that the Chairman report progress and ask leave to sit again, when• the Right Hon. Baronet was back in his place, they were very reasonable motions.—( Loud laughter.) But it was rather 'mime). —( Renewed laugher.) With respect to the subject of Indian muslins he said that those parts of India which had been 'ruined by our duties had a right to ask that their raw produce should be admitted into the market in the same way as our, manufactures were admitted there. Mr. HUME thought it would be better to adjourn the debate on account of the very personal discussion that had taken place, and which was likely to last that night, and that the admission of Indian produce into England in the same manner as gnglisb productions were admitted - into. India, ought to be further con. sidered. After a few words from the , CNANCELLOIL of the EXCHE QUER and Mr. MANGLER, Orarigers were ordered to withdraw, but no division took place, and on the gallery being again opened, we found Mr. COBDEN speaking. He said that the forms of the House, as he understood their,- put it in the power uf the minority to protect themselves and the public against such interruptions. He hoped what he stated might go forth to the public, that the country might be made aware of the system pursued. From hi s own experience, as a young Member of that House, he found that, from half-past four o'clock till half-past five,. Hon. Members were dropping into the House, when personal questions, relating to personal matters, might be going. on, and from that time till italf,p u t seven there were shouts for divisions, and ioterruptions of any discussions till eight. Then Han, Members began to disappear from the House, and they were left with only forty or fifty Members to discuss the meat important questions till ten or eleien at which hours -Hon. Members came pouring in, in their white cravats and white waistcoats, and, anxious to retk k rn to their concerts and , parties, , and from that time ti 4 a l ate interruptions there were th e sante s h otits an d intertiqns gaiti g on, Now, if these interruptions continued, he was deterMitiNi t !11 1 six Members on this side w0i414 act with him, he would itr; i l . himself of all the f or ms of the Howe. sq as t o lunar.: an ad. 1 journment till they were In a position to go int.", a discussion. 1 Capt. VIVIAN thought that the Ho".. Mem b er shoe n' n t I have alluded to matters so veq,-Dri:Sonal as the cos wa s h Of Ho, Gentlemen.—( Hear, hetti• - , and laughter.) it was not the kind of discussion that could lead tn any kknblic advantage, Mr. COBDEN said the ronarks he had m a d e a ltl equally to emlnrq ofko,q; sides. the %We who neglecpPlied their dutles: ted 4 1-'": Lord SAXDON said thitt members on the other side of Om Holm alight Witte Qhstfuot the progress of the tariff. Mr. M. QIBSCIN repelled the charge of the Noble Lord, and app6aled to the Comwittee to say whetholihegreatest ob struction had not arisen on the previ,ens night from the Hon. and Gallant Member for . - Jki - tiopeol, who had occupied the House with a long se , "; o ok (to•Wilkeh the House was very inat tentive)t ~ ,-,4 coAc.tuded . without proposing any motion...-. (Hear, hear, and laughter ) ,. Lord -sAlsopqlsrgiOn s that •when the . question discussed in. volfgd the ;' sit Intereits of th e i r , co l onies, i t was very wrong iq flip, %tubers to adopt so lighta tone, •Mr. BARING concurred with the Noble Lord as to the importance of the question then discussed, and as on a former occasion thu iiiid 'occupied four or fi ve n i g h ts on the timber dtkVicai t 4 theeght it was not too much to devote half a tligio tote sole qeestion• 77 ( Hear. ) 14. billinEN thought after what had passed, the House was not in a temper to d iscuss anyt hi ng i he should, therefore, press the motion for adjournment, After a few words frurn Lont t NGESTRIE, who thought that the Hon, INiember for Stockport had withdrawn his 1130 1' 1 . i - 4. '.. . 1 4 i Committee ctividod, when there appeared— lk . N • the adjournment... galnst it Majority against th e adjouranteut.... 156 ..... l2O On our return to the galler- we found . Mr. HUMF moving that the Chairman do leave the Chair. Lord STANLEY hoped that the Committee would fee thu 4.cessity of new disposing of the question under dis ciAssio4.—( Hear, hear, bear.) He was aware that it was in th e power of the Honourable Member for Montrose (Mr. Hu-es), and of half a dozen gev,tletr.on who thought with him, to interrupt too V s. 1 Y.rAtzi the House and compel an adjournment, Ai: lion, Gentleman persisted in moving an adjourcnizM, le, ()Nora Stanley would not waste the time of th e mtVitte by dividing it, but he wished it to go forth to the Public that it was not to the House of Commons ha to a very small portion of its Members it was o,winkr, that they were unable, after so long a discussion, to, nudte so little pro gress in the tariff. The the Hoe. Member for Alontrose was„ . that yl c C_L 2 ,-ir.....”n do now leave the chair. which, ic earrie,A, would put an end to the tariff altogether. I t was, therefore, absolutely necessary that the Hon. Gentle man's motion be negatived, whether with or without a divisidn. If afterwards the Hon. Gentleman persisted in his motion of adjournment, he (Lord Stanley) would not give the House the trouble of dividing but he Wished the country to see on what -- grounds the House was obliged to give over the further pro gress of the measure. Mr. S. O'BRIEN said that the country should know whe ther the interruption had not arisen from a most unwarranted and unfounded attack made by an Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fer i atoll on an Hon. Member ( Dr. Bowring) who had held a Government situatiun..—( Cries of " Question," "Chair.") He had voted in the minority on the last division because he participated in the opinions of the Hon. Member for Stock port ( Air. Cobden).—( Cries of " Question.") Mr. FOSTER wished to mark his sense of these personal attacks made by Hon. Gentlemen. It was a practice that ought to be put an end to. If it continued it could not fail to bring that House into discredit with the country. MI.. HUME said he was asked if he would persevere in his motion. He replied yes. The Noble Lord said that this was a motion which would put an end to the tariff. It would so, if it were carried ; but the Noble Lord knew that he (Mr. HumeNhad no other 'node of putting his motion. It was not his intention to divide the House on that motion, but he should take the sense of the House on the qnestion of reporting pro grew. He (Mr. Hume) was desirous of seeing the measure progress. ( Cries of " Oh, oh," and ironical eri, sof " Hear.") No person had been more attentive to the tariff than he had been. Each night that it was discussed he was uct a moment absent from the House. But if the Noble Lord and his col leagues countenanced such proceedings as had just occurred on the other side of the House, it was to them that any delay of the measure was to be attributed. The whole was owing to what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Knaresborough, and if there was any fault at all, he thought it was owing to the Chairman, who ought to have stopped so personal au affair.—(Order, order.) The whole of that side of the House countenanced the proceedings of the Hon. Member—( Hear. hear)—and no Member of the Government rose to interfere, who ought, as managers of the House, to keep their supporters in oiler.—(Oh, oh. ) Lord STANLEY did not think any person would be justi fied in interfering as long as any Hon. Member did not violate the rules of the House, and did not think the Hon. Member was unparliamentary. And if the Hon. Member for Montrose thought so, it was his duty to call the Hon. Member to order.— (Loud cheers.) But neither he, nor any Member of the Go- vernment was responsible for the expressions of any Hon. Member. But when the Hon. Member for Bolton denied the I charge, he (Lord St an l e y) gave hi nt f u ll cre dit f or it. A n d h e endeavoured to recal th e H ouse t o th e b us i ness b e f ore them. in the least disposed to forward the views of the elaiesen in the representation of their grievances to head-qearters. The only answer received to inquiries upon the stab jeet was, that. M. Barrajo had received uo instructions to arrange pr'recipal or interest on these bowie, but hie was wiihng,should the holders think fit, to emer ge t h e i r in terest in the late capitalization scheme, and give them a per tion of the New Three, per Cent. stock in lieu thereof. Merited strictures were passed upon Senor Surra y Roll, 31. 3lendizabal, and other representatives of the Finance Cabinet of Stain, for the lukewarmness they have evinced in the reduee tion of the foreign debt, and particularly in this instance ; and it was pointedly remarked, that the excessive trickery ac companying the late operation of that Government in our market had, like in other eases, brought upon it additional discredit and want of confidence. To address to the Regent individually, a memorial requesting consideration of the rights of the bondholdeis was now deemed the next step to be adopted, as by this means, it would he seen whether the unconcern with which a part of the public debt of Spain for the last six years had been treated was merely the " buffoonery" of its financial agents, or the " intentional swindle of a constitutional Government." The Members of the Oppositi.in in the Cortes were in possession of the whale facts of the career of these conversions, and the manner in which they had been conducted in London, and there was hardly a doubt, according to Mr. Tasker's opinion, that Senor Sierra y Rull's expulsion from office was the result of some such ' development. The aid of the agent in London (Sir I. 1.. Goldsmid), who had given by the attachment of his name to the Treasury bonds a certain stamp of authenticity to them. appears to be much desired by the holders, who were, as might be expected, greatly surprised to hear Captain Britton, one of the Committee, state, that although he had sent Sir Isaac letter, requesting his attendance and support at the meet. 'g, no answer hod been received. Si r I saac had once or twice stated that he had interfered in the cause of the bond. holders, who, like himself, were great sufferers in the transfix...• tion, yet still it would be much more gratifying to the holders to hear him state in public what he really had done towards advancing their interests. It was observed that at any other meeting where Sir Isaac was interested, whether railway-, mining, or other undertaking, he was always is attendance, and ready- to enter into the whole affair ; but here, where his credit to a certain extent was at stake, as the representative of a Ge. vernment which had failed to perform " its most sacred pro. miser," he neglected to be present. The leading topics of this decision were finally condensed into a series of resolutions, which were, with the meinerial addressed to Espartero, itnani mosisly adopted and placed on the minntse books of the corn eniteer. as the proceedings of the day. Bonds are quoted to-day 214 for the tire per Cent. Active Bonds, with the coupons for May, 1537, end `2si - ,- for the Three per Cent. Stock created from four of these coupons. It is questionable as to what cause this deeliue is to be attributed, it having been ammunced in the most solemn form adopted of late, and being the last. fashion, the most kind ing. that the cash for the next dividend promised on the asilth of this month, is actually in hand. If it he an, the holders of the stock can. have nothing to apprehend from the ch ange o f :Ministry ; if such b e not th ear~', and the payment of the divi.. dend be delayed upon excuse of the presekt disarrangement. it will be evident that the supposition that the whole conversion.; scheme was little more than a juggle will be evident. Certain it is. however, that these fluctuations afford golden opportu nities for plucking the unwary. The Treasury bondholders also hail a meeting to-day s for the purpose of receiving an account. from the Committer as to the progress which they had made towards settling their claims. The indefatigable chairman, Mr. 'faster, stated at route length the trouble lie had been a t, an d i t may be here remarked that few men, who have undertaken a public office deserve so cf their fellow-sufferers as does this gentleman. It was pro,. posed, as a last alternative, that a memorial should he present ad to Espartero himself, in consequence, to adopt its language. ti of the chairman having repeatedly, but 11 vain, appeateei to the justice of the Executive. Ilow far it may pr ows effectual remains to be seen ; but this much et eel , taro, that there never was a more ill-use:l body ut •m ee , under any nation, than the Spaniel' Treasury leindleelders. Their patience in waitin,,e - for six years, while their (de:e els have remained, not only in abeyance, but. wholly tiegleetee, deservel the highest praise, and their moderation, when tleet . s las,ve seen others, with less right, have had a preference, tieseieves the greatest. commendation. It must, on this point, he 'conceded that they stand upon their own merit, that they have entered. into eo compromise, and that none of them can be rne,t, with the observation that " one hundred pounds is claiuv,ei for what twenty-five was paid," as must be the case with ail specqeetive purchasers. Some st rong remar k s were made upon t 4 at,. sence of the original c on t ractor of these bonds, who, altbough invited to attend, neith er did so, nor sent any documents which, if they had been prod uce d, would, it was eappeee,h avet h rowie much light on the subject. Mr. AGLIONBY did not think the fi;sispeecl3Madeby:ihe Noble Lord at all calculated to calm the feelings of the House. He said he wished to show the country who those Members were who voted for the Honourable Member for Mon trose. Now, he begged to say that he would vote fer the motion, and he would always do so when the course pursued that night was adopted ; but not because an individual Member made unwarrantable charges upon the public conduct of an Hon. Member who held a responsible situa tion, but because he was cheered by Members on the other side, and he thought that on those grounds there was sufficient reason for saying that an important subject could not be fairly debated.—( Hear, hear.) The party en the other side we:e those who seemed anxious to obstruct the public business. Lord STANLEY said he did not think the Hon. Alember had heard much of the debate—( Hear, hear, hear)—as he had one of ,those suspicious symptoms which would induce one to believe that he had come rather late into the House.— (Laughter and cheers.) But if he had.been there from seven o'cloidiz he thought he would be less anxious for an adjourn ment. —( Loud cheers.) Mr. AGLIONI3I 7 wished that all personal charges were made in such good humour as that made by the Noble Lord— ( Hear, hear)—but though he had a white waistcoat—(A laugh)—he could assure the Noble Lord he heard every word of the debate. Mr. Hume's motion was then put and negatived without a Dr. BO WRING then moved that the Chairman should re port progress and ask leave to sit again. The question having been put and carried, Mr. GREENE said that perhaps he might take that oppor tunity of saying, in reference to what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Montrose, that he did not think the Hon. Member fur Knaresborough had said any thing which was out of order. It he had, he should have felt it his duty to do so at once. '['he Chairman reported progress, and the House resumed. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Half-past One o'Clock. SPIRIT of the PUBLfCJOURNALS. FROM THE EVENING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY. GLOBE.—Sir Robert Peel's Law Officers are begin ning to think it quite necessary to take matters out of his hands as regards the issue or suspension of writs for boroughs. The Right Hon. Baronet was last night very decidedly snubbed by his Solicitor-General, fur his see saw and self-contradictory sayings and doings o n th a t POLICE INTELLIGENCE subject. " The only constitutional reason," said Sir W. BOW-STREET. EXTINGUISHING TUE PUBLIc r I.GbLT4.--,A lad mimed Follett, " which could justify the House for suspending a with l' ' writ was, that it was. on the eve of taking some prat - Samuel Rogers, was charged eim tog up a lamp post ' tical step towards the disfranchisement of the borough. If Castle-street, Long Acre, at quarter puttee mo o d ~,,s Ni n „,,; .4 then, the Right Hon. Gentleman would say that he was on night, and extinguishing the light. ~ ' -- '" a Y the eve of bringing in a Bill to disfranchise the borough Policeman, F 100, proved the eltarge. ''' - it every, liable of Newcastle-under-Lyme, he (the Solicitor-General) Mr. JARMNE said this was an offenco which ever cue - concerned to prevent, and the pet-0(m eam ta k t i ng . would be able to understand his argument." It was im possible to intimate more pointedly that the Solicitor- to a penalty of 405.; it was an offence which he could riot pas, General cannot un d ers t an d t h e con d uct o f t h e P r i me over. As it was th e fi rst c h arge of the kind, however, a gainse the lad, he should only flue him Minister towards different boroughs. " Unless thedy. . ism were prepared to disfranchise the borough," he repeate , Frederick Pridham , a (gintlemonane:h-disliej:ge:nyethp:retna2e: : teal student, residi, Atil RLBOROUGH-STREET. " there were no grounds for suspending the writ. . If the House was not prepared to follow up the who stated that he is a at No. 8, suspension of the writ 4 q some legal measures, Harpur-street, Red Lionm ns bail from he (the Solicitor-General) for one, must vote against Monday, being charged with troa:!Ol aTarsedsaur,7,ng. Lieutenant high his life was en it." Sir Robert Peel, of course, thirst not oppose this Colonel Baron t ß h a e ra e n vid O e s u t e e e n, of o j f a t in he es 9t s h u i high and peremptory dictum of authority ; and he had dangered. it appeared, that about two e'etock op; i3 a a i . l t r e o r n n 0 o w :h a e t L ib ea u nn r tc : ." ,ao i r d na is to the Barsan 6 indeed nothing to oppose to its retrospective effect on his sidence n defendant came to his ta ma q -_, utiere e di past flounderings, but the singular avowal that he had vr.rhether residence, acted on no general principle at all. This, indeed, was 4 2, Dov er street, Piccadilly, and inia-4 - 1 e r e pliedln the affirtntAive, and having ushered him Baron'saittirte,sence, left, the room. A few mitat.ss evident from the palpable contradictions of his course ; home He '' 7 but it required the Right Hon. Baronet's peculiar descrip• tion of moral courage (which is neither the courage that afterwards s s,:cr his l 'Nits tong violently, and on going desired ir . ..ester and the defendant strugginig prompts consistent action, nor frank expression) to make into his room he wa; such an avowal his sole, substitute for argument, or de- together. Ho violent bl ow to h ;I ,,, to gd assist in removing. the defendant': fence. Argument there is none, defence there is none, for from the roma, and as hr most . de i so, the defendant; it course so tortuous, which began with suspending the struck the Baron a hand. The blow Was given with constitutional franchise of Nottingham on the hare wi th an ebony thick walLine.- stick °'..; e liad the- bea4 such force, ' that th in In'a 4 supposition that a fishing inquiry might elicit the fact that some of its 'voters were bribed. That was the was snapped asuirsier, the Baron's head cut in two *s e '.rj''4. w i:l it e h ot r t a e t p d ires of stick striking it. The defendant w•,s'ih',./ 4 1 one of s and a glazed case of stu ff ed birds was also broTele7i si t s .Y e course taken against Nottingham, without the shadow of legal proof, or presumption. On the other hand, mferineddgheexattlre,ams t e ffi li t f . l r it ins eje lo et s: t o l f from blood th , e a t or • r i t li . e e l x ‘h e e ite n d a r s n tl i te a U o f i Ipswich, where everything was proved, and a great deal more than anybody affects to anticipate prov luni I Z) o ti was N rinw nimbi) to leave his, bed. ing against Nottingham—fortunate ,Ipswich must not Mr. Sher ' ra p rd, ea Bond -street, surgeon, stated have her rights for a day suspended. South- that he was ealled eo i i n itu to se . a d t'te w lt ' : o h , j e Baron, whom ne found for' The wounds appeared to arnpton, on the other hand, exhibits no case like • fering from two hr,ie b:manidl;t. brit.* ea the ilea d.. Ipswich, but presents another piquant opportunity .. 4c i tse h . ) w t i h th ablunt la aari the head was cut thro a t' fishing inquiry. It is another case, therefore, to do ' strume nt• great danger from them, yet owing to the Barotry's viva °IQ: the plausible, and show uneasy virtue. There was be- ; dressed l o ts wounds, und, although he did not e s k ull.apprehend 11 7 and. the excitement under which he was labou t"l sides, the irresistible temptation to Sir Robert Peel's :. temper to make a merit of sacrificing a friend. So ; a t Y a l '65 . Th conrequences might ensue. t xng turn :. defendant alleged that lie called upon the Baron 'as cla. Southampton is suspended. But now we have Newcastle, i a. b_so.t!ti h7i_mhe,thoerrwhheethheardhwerhitatden etvoerhtiasidfatalnteiyr,thDinrg. rl:rdadrh, h a j z, under-Lyme, where again there is proof of bribory--- : where, farther, there is a proof of a demoralisina extent , of treating ; here too the constitutional rights a dr; , -• collaorn demanding answer him, he raerely laid his hand on his , Warfarndyf to Lord Tenterden or Mr. Twiselton Fines. O n the and of dinner-money, are too sacred to admit of ; aspen. sion. So Newcastle-under-Lyme has Nor w-', t. : STANDARD.—Lord John Russell!i ; " proposed Bill pushed him awaf, a a n m a i n r s an e t r o — a Ye sa s fe or nn—d on . lie/A the Eiaron has no fault that we can discovrss, except that it pro poses to comprise in one Act Measures which wotdd he cne a Turkish cimeter—and then fearingan seized • 'fm° scv"rdSig— ensue, lie closed with the Baron, to endeavostr mi t s o ch w ie r f e in st tit better separated, not merely with a view to the certain I weapons from him, and then certainly did str i ke him with hie walking cane on the head. The door of ti e room was at the success of the more importaat measure, but also for instant. opened, and a number of persons, both male and fen sale s practical convenience, nlattild both be adopted. As rushed in and dragged him out, andin the scuffle he was r ea .1 far as concerns thL trial of disputed refurns, the strangled. Ii y Noble . Lord's thy' appears to be excellent. Its In answer to Mr. Maltby, Mr Sberrard . s n tate f d the, i n all adoption may - not obviate bribery altogether, but probability the Baron would be able to atten d ' it will infinitely diminish its amount. We have Mr. Ma tirey said that the case should i sta a nr 4' 4.. 411. laws against treP.lon, murder, and robberv—vet these Monday next, and he should call on the defendant to `tine ! er. oath _ I bail, crimes are sometimes committed, though the - first two himself in 2001., and two sureties in 1001. each. It. was' ho w . of them are happily of taro commission ; and the effect to the am, at of 4001.. ever, afterwards arranged that the defendant's is s e ' l , and that of his father, Dr. Pridharn, who gave 'Ai. s ° add i r z eass " at i . of Lord John RuSsoll'a proposition for trial of election t .i l li t o e u l l tefortn Club-house, conjointly, petitions wiii Wader bribery almost as rare. There is th for the defendant's appearance , st ' Monday neat. this, too, to lie cOnsidered, that bribery will scarcely Mr d takenl P )e rii am stated, outside the office, 6'4 I' ,re que,iimi be be ever practised upon a small scale, because asked . the Baron was, whether he had or Na st ] ip s . when so practised it will have little effect, and port that he (the Baron) was his father, of spread a re awl ti er ; Dr. P idltuus that, therefore, by preventing ' wholesale bribery, WORSHIP-STREE:t . r you go a great way, in extinguishing the crime The driver of the hackney cabriolet No. . altogether. 'n.w*.egend branch of Lord John Russell's moned before Mr. Bingham, by Mr. Thomas ' l:k36, was 8"1- prOp o sititHAT,VlAt which respects the disfranchisement of sale tobacconist, in Chea.pside, to answer d' i l e 'e c l ins ' a wh '312. ing exacted a target amount of fare than, large of ksav he was legally en corrtspt conatitueueles--is not open to any objection that titled to. . We Cah see at present, save that some useful additions ',into, the defendant , nl4}' btis made to it, Lord Sandon's proposal for a special ad dressed Prior . t t i. a id a e n n d c s e ai be d being one g he ' ,lad become. sensible of ' the commission upon the spot, among others. But the scheme error he had committed, and was Issacly to return; the moan itasf seems too crude, if we may use the word without mean- o eel:charge he had received. B Th e a n c e l i v , ing disrespect, for as, early an adoption as the circutn- P I he complainant said that the mere overchar: se was it tn; Ater stances of the time. suggest., in respect to the propoaed of minor consequence ; his, reason for proceeding &Oust , the trial of petitto,ns, defendant, was on account s4f the audacious and violent winner VCIVUTER.—With regard to Lord Jan RP' :ell's in which he had conducted himself. Ilill, wo object in limine to the principle of " 11311 aern s t:itv " The Ms G est R A Tl: raid he should require the, lefendant ..la pay ,m which it is founded, and in which cors s ' ist • ' the s its so le sum of 135., which would include the costs and overcharge. chance of proving efficacious, If 0- . . '* ere be any one The defendant paid the amount, and was disc harged. maxim of Etvlisis law snore ull;"wrn a e b lly reco gn ised, or (I e, found en clearer principle,. than oth s.r,itis that l' 4 44l l Ark is bound to ertunate himself—and if there ha ,,,.,„ any,„ one d9tillOrr from that rub., more den t, --418 •aan ."...lother, it is that which grants "p a rd on " bOlbr°4"`: and then exacts confessions of guilt. TIP' -• k,rown can alone pardon; and that privilege the Legislature would' usurp by an Indemnity Bill, such as that proposed by Lord . J. Russell. Beside holdi ng ou t impunity on the eas y condition of subsequent confession would constitute an almost irresistible temptation to commit the offence. The readiest receiver of the proffered or solicited bribe would also be the readiest informer ; he would fly to the mixed tribunal in order to cleanse himself of guilt and evade its penal consequences with indecent eagerness; .just as it happens in Roman Catho lie countries, that the villain who dreads approaching danger seeks the "confessional" with the same hopes nay, certain conviction, of thereby purging himself of all his crimes, while his wretched tendencies and propensi ties remain in full and vigorous action. We protest, there fore, in toto against the indemnity clauses of the pro f posed measure, as being not only at variance with the fundamental principles of British law and the spirit of the Constitution, but also with all sound notions of mo rality. Surely a.more obvious temptation to commit an offence could hardly be imagined than the certainty that one's disclosing it will insure impunity. Surely, if the offence carries with it any stain of moral guilt—if it be not, in fact, a legal fiction, it is not competent for the Legislature to pardon it ; and if it were, it Would not be conducive •to public morality to do so. The power resides in the Crown, doubtless, to offer passion to parties charged with crime on condition of their informing against others more deeply stained than themselves, and the ends of Justice frequently require its exercise ; but that is no reason whatever for vesting such power in the Legisla ture, or for declaring beforehand that a speedy conies . . sion absolves offenders. Other provisions of the P,lll, though less liable to objection than the one we have here touched upon, require to be either remodelled or considerably modified before they can expect tte sanc tion of either House of Parliament. MONEY MARKET and CITY 'NEWS. THE PRISONER FRAN - CM On Saturday the friends of the prisoner waited on Mi. Flower, at his office in Batton-garden, and in strutted him to prepare the prisoner's defence i and soon aft( kr tar& Mr.Wooillf. the principal clerk, proceeded to Newgate, t o'have an intervie w with the prisoner, and receive the necessary/ instructions. Mr: Cope, the Governor, upon being m a d e awa re of the applicatie said that he sh ou ld feel it his duty to be present at tht intttr view between Francir and Mr. We (tiff, and the lit ter observed that it yeas rather an unusual . course, but if it . was , persisted in, he must, comply. Mr . ('ope in; i titat e 4 1 that hi, instructions induced hits to tate this course, ape he was accordingly present.. Mr. Woolli,, however, told the: pri soner that he ;lionlil. not, upon that ot Pasion, take any instruc tions from him upom the subject of his, def ence , an d a lt er s ome general obseryat;,ons he left the prise Al. On Monday application was made, at the Acme-office, for a copy of the depositions against the. prisoner, and the father of the prisoner was referred to Bow- strkset police-coort ; there he was informed that the depositions had been returned to tkc Central. Criminal Court ; but upon a tlrird. application being made, the reply wa s that the depositi o ns l ia d not been receivod, anti that. it was supposed they were still in the custody of the clerks at ßow-street. Why all this mystification shouli be practisest, appears difficult of explanation, as the prisoner, :by the Pri soners' Counsel Act, is er.titled as a right to have a copy of the- depositions made against. hint upon payment of a certain fee, and why they should be. withheld on such , serious matter, and where their production. is so essential to the prisorier's defence, appears rather singular. It is expected the.; this delay will, with,' other matters, fora the ground for an application, on behalf of the prisoner, , to have thesrial postpon er d over t h e next ensv,ing session. lbe pri soner still continues in the same composed state, and declares, as at first, that there leas nothing ) Jut powder in the pistol when it was dischargedi. ____ FROM THE 410ANING PAPERS OF' YES",'ERDAY. TIMES. —to the English Funds some fluctuation has oc curred in consequence of the chief operat l aons of the day having been salsa. The first transaction of magnitude was the pur chase of 100,00 W. Reduced by the 'Bank broker, which for the while supported the market under the disastrous commercial accounts from India. When, however, sales followed, muoh heaviness was apparent and pr;.oes declined. The deferred consideratiws by the Spanish GovernmenW the claims of the Tretsury bondholders gave rise to another meeting to. day at the London Tavern, where the Committee who represent this interest attended to give any information that might be required. From the statement of the Chairman (Mr. Tasker),it appears that no further progress in the ar rangement of these bills has been made, and that the Spanish Financial Commission now sitting in London do not seem LLOYD'S S .~3IPYING. I.. D r A IJ L O , N AJ J N IJ E N E 6 L. i l l n(l F, t . h ti: d i. y , . a f t re n sr---. ' NArlrVd.: Diamond,,, North, North, and sailed for St. Th , ona!'b. Arrd. from the river,. arnl sailed; Tyrer,' Bombay ; Rapid, Jamaica ; J ames and Mar • Quebec ; Elizabeth, iViiramichi ; Amy, L eg h orn. OFF DovEn, JUNE I.—Vortima, llausen, St. Croix, forr 2. y Anna Sacilania, Laguna for Hambiargb:;, Coen. 8 1,i p tcr l d li hagen lra aar for Batavia. P 0 4. 11 St. an ; Konig, William, .Am-- Or r Du tin r N i.ss, JUNE 3. —W illiam Ernst, Witticieve., Amsterdam for Batavia. 6. Delft, ..‘lnller, Bangoewunjie for Rotterdam. I iLivEnrot.t., JUNE 6.—Wina variable and light.—Arrd. A nn , Green, IVlaracaibo, left April 21 ; Tomkinson, Kirkness, Tampico; Blanch, Trewick, Palermo; Ann and 31argaret, Neilson, Iceland. Sld. Roze., Mobile, Columbia, Philadel phia, Palestine, B oston, Albion, andhetis, St. John's, New 13runswick; Sisters and Natalie's, Newfoundland ; Highlander... Messina. Arrd. off Alexander, Jamaica. Conk, JUNE 4 .—Arrd. Kingaloch, Castlereagh, Kellar, Newfoundl an d ; Prince Albert, Pernambuco, sailed April 6. Tnunso, JUNE 2.—Arrd. Hanover, Newcastle, and sailed for St. Thomas. Sld. Joseph, Quebec. STROMNESS, JUNE I.—The Rambler, Stephens, from Swansea to Christiansand, has put in here, having been totally dismasted during &squall, 30th ult., off the Batts of the Lewis. lIULLi JUNE 6..-Wind, 5.11. E., tnoderate.—.Sld, Casc o , Quebec. on'to ,gent .R , yw.