The Sun. — London, England, 1855-02-20 00:00:00

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Iv Tr:lE WOUNDED IN THE CRIMEA. orth r e tiWATSON wished to ask the Prime Minister, r:srider Secretary of the War Department, what tirea had been taken or were in progress for the of re of the convalescents, or the patients capable to r ° , 741 , in the hospitals at Scutari or in the Crimea,. 14 11 1 1 1 4 nd or to some of our Mediterranean colonies, LoredPerfect restoration of their health ! tat b„ „PALMERSTON said a commission was sent di the to o uke of Newcastle to inquire into the con - il l : o hospitals, and to recommend such changes as 40"' r° ight think right and proper, and to report them 1 4esi to li k j er: u l y e the Government at home, hut to Lord N o :. Lord Raglan was requested to act upon those bo pf„ l P etida tions without delay. It was the inten his noble f r i en d a t th e h ea d o f the War ti,P4ll;troent to m a k e arrangements f or a per i o di ca l ser 1411det!een Constantinople and the Crimea ( n the one qoa c a l, ll ' England on the other. On the arrival home krted" l , l4 ° 4l ids, as lei *ht be in a condition to be trans- Oep tor "Y Sea, artane•entents would be made for their re tqll\,e Proper and suitable hospitals. Ip n "„ " S ON BRITISH TRADE E.': CHINA. L or 4 d - t wer to a question from Mr. HOItSFALL, I, II N - n 4AL MERSTON said that with regard to t the Naje,(:-,Whether instructions had been sent out toher t4 eb / , 1 8 S uperintendent of Trade in China to cancel tintj t l i l me te.ken on British trade at Shanghai between til ijh k if s e bruary a n d 12th July, 1854, Sir John Bow " 4, tiet,d,."een instructed to inquire into the circumstances eb those bond s were given, and to make a full ta %.°ltc°4 the matter, and also other matters i : 4l , to her Majesty's Government for h its '4 .; 4 .. t 10a... ti° 9• Relative to the second point, as to w o h e e - Igo coons had been given, or were intended t i i llat,. ll er Majesty's Superintendent of Trade in - fi C h hl4 . - L 4 terdict the in terfei ence of the Consular Courts t o ° ::°qCreference to all the bonds and securities taken maaptrade since the expulsion of the Imperial ems ; ' t troh, Zlties from Shanghai by the insurgents in 1853, ' a ft oolvrin had been informed that no pr.oceed kletoo-44,be taken g in the common law courts with re :4,441 the se bonds • but he had been instructed to l 'qo "meta and return them to the partiesby til "kd r : al t i lley were . given. With regard to I lat ° Bequently given, the decision upon them to ped , °o4 l3ended until the report be had men to Pallid be received on the matter genera i lly. ,•"he third point in the question, it must depend on lite44reitolstances of the case, whether decision v °ll th e Spot, or whether reference must be made ` 4 ol ° . ern tnent at home ; but in any question at issue L t4 lad in g jo terpretation of treaties reference ought to th!l e to the Government at home. With reference to point raised, instructions had been forwarded Bowring, to urge on the Chinese Govern- Nty b 6 e Propriety of levying duties with perfect impar- Ip t i ween nation and nation. - d °l3 „ l 3', to Mr. C. BERKLEY, 11 4°r ia% 41411- EaST ON said it was true that Lord aliff "' been recalled some time ago, in consequence tlitZ li ell ,es which hai arisen between him and the ge-in-chief. R T IE E VIENNA COMMISSIONER. "4 t c , -11THORP inquired what pay Lord J. Russell ti, tord r p ec :ive for going to Vienna? (Laughter.) )4no salary said his noble friend would 1 , s .alarY whatever, but, as was usual on such k‘%ol Log clear expenses would be paid an no more. i„ elle! surp r ,.,, "VI.) ttr—l suppose they won't be small. (4 rebi NEWSPAPER STAMPS. *se etl".„,° Mr. GIBSON, Strairci'4 CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he iZPet 4te. ,,,ue should not be able to bring on his news -444 measure for discussion to-night, but it would IP h i nar: ta geous if he were allowed to take the pre "ttupo"hte4olution to-n . ht with the view of fcunding the ' 44 r n - 1 41 liolt the discussion would properly take place. tc-he e '4 to another question r e k ,, t th ba 4l ' l , CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated tlC h i rs e t,4 BB N of the resolution would net immediately 411 . Bta t°l 3 : that would have to abide the fate of 1 : 1 34 the TP PLY--ARMY ESTIMATES. letis., l4 t its e t t el. of the day being read for the house re 'etes. Into committee of supply on the army kit ilir e to rose and said ho trusted the house would ‘l ° : 4 ll, a 4 t 4 ke a few remarks en the present critical " °1 :s? - a o ti lit ul io affairs. Under ordinary circumstances „ li klal h .°l lL,'e Made such an appeal, but he hoped the ' lll 4 "1 . 44 ,h1t1i its usual kindness, extend to him a little aidhie iti t t 4- h e , ts 4 g in mind the deep interest which he lion 1,"40a.'"° question. (Hear, hear.) It had been ' 011 'At e . the present occa thA raise a discussion on 40 're e mitts..°4 the h; c ltlestion of the appointment of the cora 'yr' it 4 ' and learned member for Sheffield ; as, I ght st e „ tea t -4 tad not improbable that some arrangement th e b Ptir e ° Gor e 4t ween the hon. and learned gentlemanbe tle tted, li t " l4l t, by which a full discussion would 0 felt it I,' , eount for..d. duty to t a le a a r d k v s a t n o ta th ge e h o e f u t s h e e . o ry would dressing a few eir, 4ll ° PPortunif „ t tc't be satisfied if, at a moment like ITe r4 a l4 . A their - Wi n r e re not given to some hon. members not 'n upon the present state of a . ffairs ; ‘4 ll4e nt, when " Ink a ex, t . ti e iets en the house e etter occasion could arise than was to be called to vote a sumß In. of than 7,500,000/. for the maintenance and re , I,:"Ver fo ur army • La s t year, a sum almost as great l s4 'l l l - I:lT i r the aini . y—an a - rmy'ut c usqualled . in discipline, k 4 4 ), i„,ed in all that was requisite to sena aYieoilo 1 - ` , ; ao, - ,ue the field ; but that army had been cr i ppl e d and Ot' h ' to little mere than 12,000 men. It was his con -14;11)4t this country , was now standing on the brink, I ,..' 4 ll Aiel il t. ,t almost say, of ruin. There were many who t e Y etqt l t, country almost in disgrace. There was no la. t t/lt Vlng ourselves to our own real position ; and taasi t at °4 °et degraded in his own eyes, because boldly • be .* "° did not speak out more , t a s % r t r i . t , k , , sil, 4 , restrained from telling truthswhich - "Vssel e mind, but which, from various cons rained 44l tV - I l la t ti, l V from pressing upon the house. au -A i t t t te - al ° , l4 atplace, make an observation or two 111- " lb° 'Pert `' .6 kliti on of the Government, becaur th h at : (1 le to el " i r t „ -enient in the observations which e o, °4l ktt t t it ."' to bl th 4 C A short time ago the honourable 0 7 4 c00d, 4 efi e , - , ‘ "er for Sheffield proposed a motion for a t he q of n irtY into the condition of our troops, and 1. - ` lO Tla i t°4 d . epartments . which had the conduct Gehl he geti motion was resisted by the Government, t e i e , 4l er . i neta, l4 . ,he fact that the motion,. if came , dishe A 4 ,e c1 1 . 6 a -4 th e - ,nlent, but because it was l a direct vote of `usti et "'eng e t "tribers of the Government. That was s"' sa g e t 4-- wb out and accepted. Not only was that °easi 4 •. o .p oi : r stood, but every member of the Govern %ft.( tte aside 4 ft e i t ltated that the motion, if carried, would be ernoCrl,-"' of censure, not on one or two members I. ll t, but on all and every one of them. Ota' e : o4 di - . 'OP'', what was the result ? The motion tp s a ,, 4 u Perhaps one of the largest majorities ev . er re the:, ( lneetion of such magnitude—it was carried i t te batbtleals 4 .** o to one. The coantry felt no doubt as tOted f e ,!'„that motion. Many honourahle membe . rs ft, ty,'`eY go; heir votes on account of the feeling which NOle tlistry. The Government went out, .an . and Alio 1 ; 11 . / . ;;, 4 Was impossible to form a new Adminis .4/Ctilltsittf" Palmerston at length stated that a new h t Litt ? 1 . v , 0 1% had been formed. And pf what did lea"' the I) , u Y, , almost the identical individuuls who com kti. t h,,.°Ze one. (Hear, hear.) There was only i 'th e i a t.. Now under ordinary circumstances— adsulTeulties and straits to which the country was Nes_-4oeutt-cri an Administration might perhaps have Re v tot t ; but when Parliament was called upon to i-uLhe Government the conduct of one of the % tif i arliZ n Which the country was ever engaged— . ts st tut was called upon to vote large supplies te ti :fs ee port of an army which had been reduced to a 141;:likee115 1b t „ 4 " - „, When - Parliament was thus asked to t plaicne.tie. the Government—it became necessary_ t o was N 414 the t Government had done. (Hear.) % N t s ll lts "'me men did net retain the same pla s That ats.' 44. Some changes had been made, but ee Others Of Ined in • - W their places. Now, let the house con 1rt44:444°:"-aatyt !lose who remained merited the confidence as e The other night a rather strange challenge mi tre by an hon. member, who said that even - k t ,. - " , i ,t' e s is 'or Aylesbury had not dared to assail the ad °l. the Admiralty • that hon. gentleman had l astkel k t t short memory, and it certainly was surprising I tl ttti e Nit ;eluark should have been made after what had Oet "„ i t.oelePecting the questions of blockade and the t~ e e), l the transport service. Had not the manage es s t v, s e ",% blockade brought immense mischief on e t u h l e . ) 4 ,,Ahs;‘ been one of the causes of our present diffi _ L t lti ~4 g ain with regard to the transport service, has! hil l:4l ;4ra over and over again stated the utter h con . loith - Ate4g existed in that service, and the a lmost . stated elp Loy °lir transports ? How, then, could lt f b tl e ie t kt . e .,telltiLt t ee of truth that the department n k lisral'"lta the First Lord of the Admiralty d ti 141 .- • 13144 )0 Then, again, with respect to our iplo t4;t4titigetoeeoUld not forget that this war was owing to the 1140,1 love of our diplomacy—to those melancho y I .‘ l laPlo e e , - . 4 4 t, Vienna which almost brought disgrace upon l il s'eey -11° body. If we had shown a bold front in our 4 4 0 of,we 111 0111 d not have been in our present state. 4 tit i k k ilot - r ",:dieloni a ti c appointments were not worthy of Ile did not wish to mentioh names, but dur se4roedsithese transactions were going on an exchange I tio % his en ,7 Which one noble lord, who was too old NitL - " % trY Oa an ambassador was sunk into a ruts wehrl_usidered that to have been a gross job, and a m it e °f t l l,l u Ought not to be passed over in silence. the !sll of their country wished those who had the manage d I tkl Aets h affairs te rise in the House of Commons an tl 4 l4e eet ! ll ' They did not wish the Government to give 4,7ter answers to iudiscreet questions, or to betray ru l e r of the country by indiscreet tlisclosure . s, but t h ". member asked a question, they considered ' 4 l ‘ , ll he r , ght to receive a straightforward answer. He 4, 1 ' 4 bl,;..tentlY asked whether there would be an efft -e.Ade "Y es. " But what z ek , ap ka and the reply was Nl ‘ ? Why, months afterwards the at all. 1 se 44 iiitted there had been no blockade effective te „;.30. member said we had only 12,000 ba i t er hosta, a right hon. gentleman said we had o ho (N o -11 °'w 12,000 ;as admitted to be the right d nunito st4q.ttle i o n °.) Then let the documents be t pro arm uc v ed was fe at \ '. \ll t---ti o ; uu u• When it was stated that h F = cur our men were eating French e bread and i etl t/ 4 Fh clothiug—the reply was,th t our .rmy iV it~: l er n t l io u n x s u . ry (H a e n a t.. r i p ) erfectly protected against satisfied to °so t i! of the weather. The country was not o h y tp e * S" li b e b w e bneo individuals l a ti s v k l I N i : l :e s t Before Governmen t, Christnas Parliament was called 44145i11P144 the Militia Bill and the Foreign Enlist . The Lib..ral party were called upon to swallow ° oe . ' l Ples all the declarations which they had rta.):l hustii: m ,tll, A , to e , a because it was of the utmost " wthe bills without loss of time. Now what la ti !ta.r e c 6 result ? He believed he could state as a fact ‘ ll Y • at s ingle man had been engaged under that 14/?').4.4..uslisteient Bill ; and that up 'to this moment 4e, t t he t Made up their minds who was to carry it out. o' `• me France had been engaging men, and Ger 'Dr 44 Putt' • to t 1:)a Ing its army on a war footing, or in a state 41 5 4 '44 16 n, so as to be ready at fourteen days' notice ti,Jile I . field. The result would be, either that we 4 ee t e u ,hble to obtain men or that we should b, 4(4 take s the scum of the co'ntinent. Then with re 14, t0, r 4 ,... v tY, he believed that not Line step had bee getting a body of ca v alry together, and i t ' was very doubtful whether the Government would bo able now. Thelakeseemedstill, but let netthe Government sail to obtain such a force. Then large contracts were to have upon it with a feeling of security. Unless something were been made in Asia Miner. But what had been done ? d one to pr ev ent it a - storm would arise, and then not only The very man who had been pointed out as quell- they but others might be shipwrecked. The people wished fled to eater into such contracts, stated that he to see whether they could not be governed by some one had offered them months ago, but that they had . new. They would n o t h a ve the same party over and over been refused, and that he 'then offered them to ! again. (Hear, hear.) He had no doubt a Cavendish in the French Government, by which Government they were the Cabinet was of great importance; but the country accepted, and he was now engaged in buying up all the thought more of 20,000 lives than of a Cavendish in the cattle in Asia Minor for France. (Hear, hear.) Then Cabinet. They wanted a thorough and complete reform. again, instead of employing the most useful persons for If the noble lord had followed the wishes of the people of purposes of conveyance and labour, the Turks had been em- England ho would have had a Cabinet which might at ployed and treated in the worst possible manner. Such least have appealed to the House of Commons for support, being the past policy of those who composed the new Go- and he would not have hesitated, whether or not the com vernnaent, it was necessary to inquire on what ground mittee which that house had voted should be appointed. they could be supported.• If the committee moved for by He (Mr. Layard) entreated the noble lord to reflect. He the hon. and learned member for Sheffield should be believed that if he took that line the country and the honestly worked, it must to a certain extent prove injurious house would support him, and he would save his own re to the carrying on of public affairs, and more especially so putation and the honour and interests of this great nation. if the conduct of the members of the Administration General PEEL add ho was net surprised at the general should be canvassed ; for in that case Parliament would indignation when he read such horrible accounts of the be sitting in judgment on the members of the present Ad- state of the army, for the army was the property of the ministration. There was only ono ground on which hon. ' country at large. A Secretary for War had been sacri members could have justified the rejection of the motion ficed, and he did not understand why the whole Cabinet for. the appointment of the committee. It was this, that had not followed. He (General Peel) voted against the they had before them new men, and that such a programme motion of the hon. member for Sheffield ; but' it was not had been presente.l as to insure the support of tho coun- that no evils existed, but that he had no confidence in a try. On these grounds many hon. members would have ! committee of the house as a tribunal to reform them, for it voted for the Government. But how could they do so, i was the worse they could have—unconstitutional and int when the appointment of the committee was placed on the practicable. He blamed the Government for having corn saute footing as it was some days ago ? Was there anything ; menced a great war with inadequate means. He said the iu the programme which justified confidence in the Minis- first fault in its management was in sending out too many ters ? The noble lord did not propose to go to the bottom troops, without a corresponding force in the commissariat of any existing wrong, or to recall any body ;he only pro- and medical departments. It wonld have been better to have posed a series of commissions. Surely the house had facts I sent only 10,000 or 15,000 at first, and to have restricted enough before it without further inquiry. At the head of I the operations to what they could perform, instead of the commissariat there was a gentleman 70 years of age ; sending every available man to rival the French. After and that commissariat was in such a condition that our the battle of Alma the victorious armies should have made men had been starved. Were not these facts sufficient to the attack on Sebastopol, without giving the Russians warrant the recall of the head of the department without time for reinforcements. He (lid not oppose the enlist further inquiry ? What had been done with regard to the meat of foreigners, if absolutely necessary. He thought ' medical staff ? Nearly three months ago a commission was our regimental officers and regimental system were sent out to inquire into its state, yet the same state of good ; and surely those men would make as good general things existed. Dr. Horne was at its hoe& and Mr. Law- 1 officers if the opportunity were afforded them. if they son, instead of being removed from his post, had been sent were going to rival the warlike nations on the Continent to Scutari, where he was put at the head of the hospital, they must set about it in a different manner. He thought and was thence removed to Rhodes. (Hear.) Nothing every exertion ought to be made to carry on the war so as had been gained by that. He believed that no man pos- to make a safe and honourable peace, and that once done messed greater or more eminent abilities than Sir John Mac- the sooner the people resumed their peaceful pursuits the neill, who was going on this duty, because he believed it better. to be a sacred duty to do so ; but he was no longer a young Lord pALMERSTON—I should be the last man to find man, and his health was so weak that he had hitherto been fault with any hon. member who should bring under the obliged to decline those high appointments to which his abilities entitled him. It was physically impossible that notice of the house any part of our administrative system , he should go into every hole and corner of the camp and either at home or abroad, which he may think has failed expose all existing evils. The result would be that, like adequately to perform its functions, or any improvement every other man employed either by the late or the pre- of which he may consider that system to be capable. But, sent Administration—for they were the ammo—(cheers)— sir, I do protest against the language we have heard this he would lose a well-earned reputation ; he would not be able to cure the evils complained of, and the Government evening from the hon. member for Aylesbury—(cheers)--- would place upon his head the blame which ought to fall who, while ho performs what he thinks a public duty in upon others. What need was there for a commission upon pointing out old errors and instances of mismanagement in r the transport service? At the head of that service was aegard to the army, must needs tell me that this country Capt. Christie, an old gentleman more than 70 years of has become the laughing-stock age, who could not leave his ship after dark without en - of Europe, and has thought roper to mingle with his observations and comments a cneering his life from catarrh, and who for five or six l a days had been unable to land at Balaklava. Was then deal of what I must call vulgar declamation against the the state of that harbour to be wondered at? Were they aristocracy of this country. (Cheers.) Sir, I lament as going to send out a commission to inquire how old Capt. much as the hon. member or any man the sufferings of our Christie was, and what was the state of Balakalava liar brave army before Sebastopol. I admit, too, that those boor ? There was not a boy in the streets who could not tell them that. What was wanted was not commissions, sufferings have in part been aggravated by want of ar but men. The country was sick of commissions. He rangemont and proper management ; but I must, in pass knew it had been said that men could not be found ; but fug, say it is a great mistake to suppose that those suffer to say so was an insult to the common sense of the coun- 1 •nes have been entirely confined to the British troops. try. If the test of a man was that he should be above 70 - years of age, should be a member of Brookes at, and should (Hear.) I speak not now of our brave allies ; but I know, always vote for Government, it might be difficult to find from good authority, that of the Russian army there are such a one who could carry on business properly; but do not fewer than 35,000 men in hospital, sick an wounded, not let him be told that in a country possessing such ma- in consequence of the campaign. (Hear.) I say the suffer terial resources as ours, and in which each great works ings of our brave troops, however much they may have were undertaken as he saw accomplished in England, they be e n nacreased by want of arrangement and proper ma could not find a man to set in order Balaklava harbour, or nagement, have arisen in a great degree from principal to put the army int o a s t a t e o f efficiency. (Cheers.) If causes which it was not in the power of any man to there was any difficulty, let the officers of the army ballot control, considering the nature of the service in which for a commander ;in the artillery he was sure there would they have been engaged and the severity of the weather be but one name mentioned as the most competent. W h y to which they have been exposed. (Hear, hear.) But, then send out commissioners to inquire who was or was not so far from this country standing lower in the estima capable? Let them not send out despatches implying can- tion of the world than it formerly did, when I look, sir, sure upon a man, and then, when asked if they had re- at the matchless bravery of our troops—when I look to the called him, say that they had not, but had insulted and victories they have achieved—(cheers)—and when I look to censured him, so that be 'must come home. If a man the share which the gentry and the aristocracy of England was incompetent, let him be recalled; and if he was not, have taken in those conflicts—(cheers)—instead of feeling let the Ministers have the manliness to say in that house any shame for my country, I feel proud of the events to that ho was competent, and the country would support which the hon. gentleman has alluded, and which have them. (Cheers.) Such were all the proposals of the noble now become subjects of immortal renown. Talk to me of lord's speech, with the exception of making Lord Raglan a th e ar istocracy of England ! Look at the glorious cavalry kind of head scavenger, and sending out General Simpson c harge at Balaklava—(cheers)—where the noblest and the to look after the staff. This last was a great mistake. wealthiest of the land rode foremost, followed by heroic You could not go on a system of divided authority. If men from the lower classes of the community, each rival- General Simpson had been the head of a regularly orga- ling the other, and where neither the peer who led nor the nised staff, it would have been a different thing. Had troops who followed could be distinguished from one an- Lord Raglan consented to this arrangement? .Had he ad- other. (Loud cheers.) In that glorious band were the sons misted that his staff was incompetent? If so, let the o f the gentry of England, at the head were the nobles of members of it be sent home. If the Government wanted the land; and, following them, were the representatives of inquiry, let them send out, instead of these commissions, th e people of this country. (Hear, hear.) I say if any in a man whom they had confidence in; let him m ix with the stance could be required to show that all classes in this rogimentel officers and the soldiers, and he would in a ver9 country, from the highest to the lowest, share in common few days find out where was the real evil. The noble the noblest qualities which dignify man, I would appeal to lord (Palmerston) had said nothing about the War-office that gallant charge as an immortal proof of the glory of this —nothing about a reform of the Horse Guards—nothing country. (Cheers.) The hon. member, I believe, has con about promotion, upon which subject his nob le friend the seated to be a mem ber of the committee proposed by my member for Huddersfield (Lord Goderich) had given no- h on . an d l earne d f r ie n d the member for Sheffield. He will tics of a motion. The country would not be satised with of course vote for the appointment of that committee; but the promotion of sixty sergeants. It was not in a humour what was the line of his argument ? Why, that we, for to take that as a privilege which it demanded as a prin- Booth, were trifling with the interests of the country and ciple and a right. Unless the Government was prepared with the lives and sufferings of our soldiers by sending out to make a thorough and radical change in the system at commissioners to the Crimea, with full powers to inquire the Horse Guards, the country would not be satisfied w ith into and rectify, if possible, the very abuses and want of anything which it could do. The right hon. gentleman, arrangement of which lie complains. (Hear, hear.) The lately the Secretary at War (Mr. S. Herbert) had in a hon. gentleman proposes, indeed, as an example, a corn recent speech insinuated that it was to the House of Com- mittee of safety, like that of the French Revolution. (A. mons refusing to support an army equal to the wants of laugh.) He would have commissioners sent out to the the public service th t the evils from which our troops Crimea with power to execute summary justice on had suffered were to be attributed. The blame was con- those whom they might think deserving of it. I must tinually shifted from one person to another. The general take the honourable gentleman at his word, and suggest in command said that ho was crippled from home ; the t o him that he movo this house to extend the functions Govelisment said the general did not pursue the instruc- of the committee of my honourable and learned friend, tions they sent to him; he threw the blame on the regi- by making it obligatory on the members of that cone mental officers, and the right honourable gentleman mittee to proceed instantly to the scene of actionin the threw it upon the soldiers. Thus one blamed the Crimea, and to remain there until the end of the session. other, and at last they all agreed to blame the House (Laughter.) Then,' again, the hon. gentleman says that we of Commons. If the House of Commons was to blame, have in some instances abstained from getting supplies let it be sent to the country, and let its con- from Asia Minor, from which the French have been able stituente force it to do its duty. He denied, however, to profit. I protest against that invidious distinction be that the houi3e was to blame. It had for years voted autos tween the two portions of the allied army. Bat I appro. of money sufficient almost to support the army of France. bend that Asia Minor may be considered sufficiently large What the house had objected to was the present system of to furnish provisions both for the English and the French; favouritism at the Horse Guards, and unless the noble lord and arrangements have been made to procure from Sinope was prepared to act upon such a principle as should put an and its neighbourhood supplies for the army in the Crimea. end to this, how could he ask for the confidence and sup - The hon. gentleman, anticipating, I think, a debate which port of those who believed that the miserable and disgrace- has not yet arrived, has furnished strong reasons against ful condition to which our army had been reduced was the conclusion to which he would wish the house to come. mainly owing to the state of things which existed at the The hon. gentleman says we ought to have stated to the Horse Guards? Everyone was afraid to act with vigour. house what are the terms which my noble friend the mom- One morning, as he was going up the lines, he met a con- her for the City of London is about to propose during the voy of upwards of 300 wounded men attended only by a negotiations in which he will shortly take part. It is the few privates, without officers or surge ons. Lord Raglan's first time I have ever heard it asked that we should, be attention was called to it. He inquired into it, and found fore entering on negotiations, explain fully to the adverse that the medical men atecofficers who had charge of these party all the stipulations and all the conditions which we wounded men had neglected their duty. He published a shall be willing to accept. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) I general order, censuring the conduct of the officers as die- think that if that were the course of polioy on which we graceful, but added, " 1 will spare their feelings, and will acted, we should justly lay ourselves open to censure. But net mention their names." He (Mr. Layard) honoured and the hon. gentleman says that between Friday night last, revered such feelings in a man, but could not honour esr re- and Monday afternoon I have lost the confidence of the verence them in a general. (Cheers.) What was the result ? country. (An ironical laugh.) He says that has arisen The Marines having been landed at Balaklava, and placed from the fact that I have not recommended to the Queen a under the orders of the colonel commanding there, one of exactly how that Cabinet was to be form ed. (Laughter.) was taken to one of the hospitals, the surgeon of which Cabinet of a different complexion. No w, he omitted to state them was during the night seized with the cholera. He refused to get up, because the man was a marine. He was l earne d f r iend the member for Sheffield t he members of then carried to another, where he was refused admission, Perhaps he would have made the com mittee of m y hon. and the proposed Cabinet. (A. laugh.) Sir, lam n ot afraid and as the guard could not leave their post he was left on o f the denunciations thus made. lam satisfied that the the shore to die. This was brought to Lordßaglan'anotice, people of this country will look far ,more deeply into things and he was asked to issue a general order reflecting on the than they are represented to do by such statements as these. medical men concerned. He declined to do so, because he (Ch eers .) I am satisfied when they see a Governmen t had already issued one general order reflecting upon the which has been constituted in consequence of the failure of medical men, and if he issued another it would weaken the two other attempts to make a Governm ent, that they will confidence of army in the medical staff. These were feel that the men who have thus undertaken the conduct of dreadful things. Lord Raglan was an amiable man, and affairs have done so because they thought the country ought a man of good heart ; bus the man whom we wanted to cone- not to be left without a Government, that they have done remand the army was not an amiable man, but a man who it from a sense of public duty, and if they believed that would sacrifice friends, relations, all that he held dear in the those who have undertaken the conduct of affairs have done world, to peiform what under such circumstances was an act so from honest and honourable motives, they will give them of imperative duty. If things went on in this way, many cr edit for the desire to perform the ir duties with a view to months would not elapse before there would be nothing th e best interests of the country , and that they will not but the staff left to return to this country. Let them send lieht ly tween Frida night and Mond a y morning a change believe, as has been state d b y the hon. gentleman, out a man of vigour, who would cut down to the root, and thatbe who would spare nothing or nobody, anti they might then o f opinion has taken place in the Cab inet. Sir, we pre hoe for some change—th y might then hope to save the seated ourselves to the coun try for the purpos e of carrying , su.vivors of our gallant army. If such a course were not on t o th e best of our means, and with adequa te energy, the adopted all would perish, and their blood would be upon war which we think necessary to be carried on. We pre the heads of the Ministry. (Hear, hear.) It was said seated ourselves to the country with the honest intention that our army was not used to great campaigns. Our cam- of veiling ourselves of the opportunity, if it be practi paigns in India had been on a larger scale than those of the French in Algeria; but a paltry jealousy prevented us means. We will not present, for a cce p tance to the coun availing ourselves of the experience thus gained , and led cable, of terminating the war by fair and honourable try, as a means of that end, terms which we think will not to such men as Outram and numbers of others who had secure the country against the recurrence of those events led our troops to glory, and had seen great campaigns, which compelled us to draw the sword. A hollow truce is being passed over because they received the pay of the not that which the country would accept from any Govern- East India Company, while men of seventy, who had never meat • it is still less what the country would accept from seen a campaign, were sent out, because they had family us. (Cheeps.) If we should succeed in obtaining a treaty connexions, because they were related to members of Par- which we think honourable and safe to the country, we liament, or could command a seat. This was monstrous. shall rejoice that we have been the means of restoring He was told that by using this language he was pulling peace on those terms; but if, on the other hand, it should down the aristocracy. On the contrary, he wanted to appear that the adversary with whom we are contending save them, and those only endangered them who supported has not yet been brought to that temper of mind from the continuance of such a state of things as this, by which which a permanent peace can be expected, then we shall the people of England, though patient and long-suffering, appeal to the country for that support in the discharge would, if it continued, eventually be roused to fury. He was told that the Times had raised th e c r y , and had made of the duties which a continuance of the contes t ma y im pose upon us. Whatever may be said by the hon. gentle the popular indignation. It was not so, any more than it man or by any other hon. member, I feel confident that this was the Puritan preachers who made the English, or Res- country will give its support to a Government who hone:4ly /emu and Voltaire who made the French revolution. and honourably intends to do its duty in a moment of great These men did not make the revol utions, but were made ‘ emergency—(cheers)---a Government which has not forced by them. So, too, it was not the Tim es that made public itself upon the country by any vote or motion of this house, indignation in England, but public indignation which or by any Parliamentary manoeuvre, but which has arisen in made the Times. (Cheers.) If the Government wantedconsequence of the failure of others who might, if they had to have the pose tion of the Times , l et them do as it had I do not mean this as any blame to them, but as a ground chosen to undertake the task, but who shrunk from doing so. done ; let them come forward in tha t house, and say what, the people of England thought, and not what they wanted on which we are entitled to expect the support of the them to think. (Hear, hear) The noble lord had told country. I say, after the two failures to which I refer, the house that Lord John Russell was going to Vienna, that I should have felt myself a degraded man if I had not but he had not told it whether he was going to advocate undertaken the task ; and I throw myself with confidence the principle advocated by Lord Castlereagh, to whose on the generosity of the country and of Parliament ; and mission this had been compared, or whether he was going I am convinced that so long as we do our duty—and we to negotiate upon the four points. This was a question of will do our duty so long as we have the support of the such importance that upon it the people of England, country, and lam satisfied we are enabled to do it with through their representatives, had a right t s ask for die- that support—in spite of temporary reverses, and in spite fillet information. He did not wish to to uch u p on sub- of the momentary aspect of affairs, we shall succeed in jects which it might be dangerous to canvass in a public carrying measures to a successful issue, be it for, peace assembly, but did it never occur to Ministers that the now or peace hereafter, or be it by negotiation now or people of England had by the fault of their Governments arms hereafter, which shall place this country on that , now placed themselves in a position which exp osed them proud footing of future security on which its greatness to the contempt of their neighbours, and which they might and its power so well entitle it 'to stand. (Loud cheers.) ere long have occasion to rue, not so much on acc ount of Mr. J. G. PHILLIMORE contended that the most lor their own dignity and interest as on account of the Dade- : dinary precautions might have prevented the calamities lible impression it had made on those who might be at ' which had befallen our troops before Sebastopol, and that heart our enemies, and our friends only for a period? Did as ye t no explanation had been given why those precau the Government forget that the eyes of all Europe were tions had not been taken. For his part, he would insist now upon us? Was it ready, fur any private, party, or on some inquiry being made which should really ascertain family considerations, to allow us to become not only the the cause of the state of things which had so long existed laughing-stock of the world, but to fall from the high in the Crimea. pace which we once held in the rank of nations, and to th e WARNER said lie could not think the explanation show that we might perhaps be an easy prey to any one given by the noble lord would be entirel y satisfactor y to who sought our destruction? In what position did the the country. The only reason why the country had put noble lord (Lord Palmerston) stand a few days ago ? No confidence in the noble lord was because they believed he man ever undertook the formation of a Ministry who had was the man who would act with energy in this ewer more general sym lathy hot only throughout England but gency. It had often been sail that wo were not a mili throughout the world. His name was throughout Europe 1, a magi; name ; it was the representative of great princi- t art ' nation. The House of Commons, however, had done everything in its power to make us one, and he wanted to pies ; it was, whether lightly or wrongly he would not say, ;know why it was that we wore not a military nation ? re ceived as the representativ e of libert y . His reputation Major REID said ha had boon long of opinion that the was so broad that even the betrayal of the Sicilians and of the cause of Italy in 1818 could not tarnish it ;it hascould ale it more disgraceful it ful, and that if anything m whole , system in vogue at the . Horse Geounalruidsiswsiaosusdisgraoe passed through every storm. He rose in that house with the whole people of England ready to support him. He h e. He contended that until there was a change in was the jobbery practised in giving by per rose as no man had ever risen there before, at a moment . when every member of the house would . have supported that until ree they made the service open to merit they would that as et they would never have an efficient army, and because they fat sleet, at a great crisis, he had, from r obtain really efficient officers. There was a vast a eeese of duty, undertaken a difficult and onerous task. Would the people of England be satisfied with what thenoble educated, and not born with a silver spoon in their mouths, lord had done ? Ile thought they would not, They wore quiet i number neve of men inthe army who,. although not highly THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, PEERUARY 20, 1888. possessed many sterling qualities for the profession of arms; and until means be aiTor4led for each men rising in their profession the army would never be what it ought to be. Mr. I'tfURROUGH thought the country was now some what in the state of Sinbad—it was overridden by old men ; and a few days ago it was in this dilemma, that there wero only two or three men in it who were thought capable of forming a Ministry, as if a monopoly of the talent of the country belonged to three noble lords. He was satisfied that a strong Government would have been formed if many prejudices had been laid aside. The noble lord (Viscount Palmerston) was a few days ago, what he was not now, master of the situation, and he might have, from below the gangway of either side of the home, selected men who were capable of forming a strong Government. (An ironical laugh.) There might not have been a Russell, an Elliott, or a Cavendish among them ; but there would have been men of greater weight, and equal, if not greater, ability—he meant those who repre sented large constituencies, and who came to that house with the weight of the people's authority upon them. ARMY ESTIMATES The house thou wont into committee for the purpose of voting the army estimates, and Mr. F. PEEL, after claiming the indulgence of the committee, on the ground of the very short period which had elapsed since ho had held office connected with the War Department, proceeded to lay before the house the details of the estimates for the army during the ensuing veer, and in doing so said—The estimates for the army have beea swollen to dimensions unusually lar g e, but not, I believe, larger than are commensurate with the magni tude of the operations in which the country is engaged. I regret deeply the absence, from indisposition, of my right hon. friend the present Secretary of State for the Colonies, under whose superintendence the present estimates have been framed, and which differ in severalrespects from those which have been submitted to the house for the current year. The present differ from the previous estimates on account of the greater number of the men, in the large augmenta tions in many of those services which are inseparable from the administration of the army, and also in the creation of a new department, which has not previously boon included in the estimates nor submitted to the consideration of the house, viz., the land transport service. Setting aside the number of regiments of infantry and cavalry of the line em ployed in India, and paid by the Government ofthat coun try, nor reckoning the estimated force of the foreign corps to be raised under the Foreign Enlistment Act, and exclud ing also the militia already embodied, the number of men which we propose to be voted for the service of the ensuing year is 178,615. When my right hon. friend the late Secre tary at War introduced the original estimates of last year, he stated that he was desirous that the house should first have the opportunity of discussing the policy of those mea sures in which the Government had been concerned pre vious to the breaking out of the war, and that after such discussion had taken place ho would then introduce further estimates to provide for placing the army upon a war foot ing, and ho introduced two supplementary estimates which, together, provided for an addition to the force of the army of nearly 30,000 men. Comparing the 'estimates of the present with the origival estimates of the last year, there is an increase of about 66,000 men ; but as compared with the whole estimates of the year there is an increasefof hats 35,869, exclusive of 14,950 men in the foreign corps pro posed to be raised. The manner in which this increased number of men is proposed to be spread over the effective strength of the army is as follows :—lst the first place, there will be an addition of 1,950 men to the Foot Guards. The cavalry also will be increased by 3,470 men. The remainder is to be spread over 41 regiments of infantry of the line. A battalion of 2,000 strong is to be added to the 60th Rifles, making that regiment one of three battalions, and a battalion of the same strength is to be added to the rifle corps, making three battalions also in that corps. In the course of last year, every regiment, exclusive of those in India, was raised from an esta blishment of 1,000 to 1,200 mon, and directions have now been given for further raising the force of those regi ments-41 in number—now serving in the Crimea, from 1,200 to 2,000 men each. With respect to the distribution of this force, there are ten regiments of cavalry in the Crimea, 41 regiments of infantry of the line, and the re mainder of the regiments, exclusive of those in India, are employed in the colonies and the military stations in the Mediterranean. In the course of the past year a consider able reduction has been made in the number of troops maintained by this country in the colonies. There has been an addition of ono battalion to the force in the Aus tralian colonies, but the Government of these colonies are called upon to pay for that increased force, and credit is taken in the estimates for a sum of 12,0001. for the cost of that battalion. The whole sum payable by the Australian colonies for the military force maintained there is 30,0001. Neither at New Zealand nor at Van Diemen's Land has it been thought advisable to make any reduction in the military force there stationed. The force at the Cape still continues very large, and it has not been thought advisable at present to make any reductions in the number of troops at present stationed in that colony. A very considerable reduction has been made in the West India and British North American colonies. There were formerly three regi ments in the West India colonies; there are now only two. In the British North American colonies there were six regiments—viz., four in Canada and two in the lower pro vinces. There are now only one regiment in Canada (ex clusive of the Canadian Rifles) and one in the lower pro vinces. It must be satisfactory to know that the reduction was made almost entirely at the invitation of the colonists themselves. Thepeople of Canada have expressed their deep sympathy with this country in the cause in which it is en gaged ; and with regard to the force is Nova Scotia, the legislature of that province has presented an address to the Crown expressing its readiness to undertake the external defence of that country, should the Government find it necessary to withdraw the troops at present stationed there. Of the two regiments in the British North American colo nies, one is now at Quebec and the other at Halifax. The whole amount of reduction is about 3,000 men, repre senting an expeuditure of from tO,OOO/. to 100,0001. (Hear.) The next vote to which I will call the attention of the com mittee includes the charge for the daily pay and daily al lowance, which for the number of men I have mentioned, will atnount in the course of the year to 4,500,0001., being an increase of about 1,500,0001. There has been no altera tion in the rate of pay of the men and officers, with the exception of that of the colonels of the regiments, which will be found to range from a sum of 6001. to I,oooi. a year for the Foot Guards. That addition to the pay of the colonels has been made in conformity 'with the recom mendation of a committee of this house, which had re ference to the alteration in the mode of clothing the regi ments. (Hear, hear.) With respect to raising the increased number of men new proposed, it is found that the effective strength of the army is not equal to the estab lishment as voted last year, and that it will be necessary to recruit 40,000 men in the course of the ensuing year, in order to bring the army up to its proposed strength. Pro vision has therefore been made in theestimates for recruit ing up to that number. We have also to add about2o,ooo men to supply vacancies which are estimated to be caused by casualties in the course of the year, so that provision is required to be made for the recruiting of 60,000 men. Th e estimated cost of rai s i ng t hi s num b er o f men i s 513 , 0001., being an exce ss over that of the estimate of the lost was raised from 41. to 61. during last uary last to 81. A pl an w ill b e p lord at the h ea d o f th e W ar Depart t: . coip. uaoistautumn, year d for gmunb yn , a for t h similaraetheu(noble i u purpos e o f 378 , 0001 . Th e b ounty upon r j a infantryu Depart ment for enabling the Government to avail itself of the ser vices of a class of recruits of a greater age than that at which recruits are admitted into the army, whose services will be i proposedfof one,two,or three years. The sum defray th e ex p ense of mount ingvenor smaller to be taken per periods, t s 0 , the cavalry is 320,0001. This sum will include the purchase of 7,500 horses for the cavalry of the line ; in fact, re -mounting almost the entire cavalry of the army. In the cavalry regiments in the Crimea the effective force was not more than 4,197 ; but this force has now dwindled down to an amount not exceeding 1,000. We have also to provide for bringing up the former establishment of 4,197 to the proposed increased number of 7,800; and also to provide for meeting the casualties which are likely to occur in the course of the ensuing year. The estimated cost of each horse is sot down at 401., while the original cost was for merly not more than 261. It has hitherto been the practice of the Government to purchase horses at the ago of three years, and the regulation price was 261. The horses were kept during two years, during which period they cost the country about 601. each, and when five years old they were fit for service. It is now proposed to buy horses of the ages of from five to nine years, and the estimated cost of horses of that age is 401. The next item is that of cost for clothing, amounting to 105,0001. The system of clothing the regiments by the colonels has, as I have already said, been abolished, and the manner in which we have calca t g under th e new s y s tem has been price of the clothing for each regi ment, making an allowance for th e co l one l's former pecu tlanls taked th fi e r c et os t t h o e f eo cl a o t thin pecu niary profit, and then adding the cost of the clothing for the additional number of men to be added to each regi ment. The colonels of the regiments have now no pecu niary interest in the matter, and the bills will be sent in and paid by the Government. For the expenses of general regimental hospitalos, an increase is proposed of a sum of 155,0001. Under ordinary circumstances, when a man goes per diem, ilic, the h ospitals b e i ng self-support ing. But when a man beco mes sick in the course of active into the hospital , a deductiontdnochargesismad made for the hm h e hospitals ppiatyaloaf havethe service, the stoppeg e ma de from his pay is only equal to 3id., the cost of his ration s. The great bulk of the in crease in the vote is owing to the establi s hment of hospi talssbuemen ofb borne by b p yie in connection with the army in the East at Balaklava, Scutari, and at the camp before Sebastopol. As an instance of the difficulty of foreseeing all the probable demands upon the Government in time of war, I may state that since these estimates were prepared it has been proposed to estab lish a civil hospital at Smyrna, and to place it in charge of medical practitioners taken from the civil part of the profession, and no provision is therefore made for this es tablishment in the present estimates. In the vote for di vine service there is an increase of 79,0001 . The number of chaplains sent out is 42, of whom 24 belong to the Esta blished Church, eight to the Presbyterian, and tan to ,the Roman Catholic religion. The rate of pay to each chap lain is 16s. per day, with the exception of some, who re 'calve contributions from the Society for the Propagation of the Gospel, and who receive only 1001. per annum. For schools and libraries there is an increase, chiefly arising from increased pay to the schoolmasters, of 7,1501. Owing to the intention of Government to appoint additional schoolmasters who have been trained in normal schools, to establish schools in connection with various regiments and n ets a n increase of eigh teen has b een made in the num ber o' depots, schoolmasters who have been appoint e d t o th e sc h oo l s of militia regiments. The whole number of trained school mastersnow appointed is seveuty-four, and we estimate that wo shall be able to appoint thirty additional ones, thus making a total of 104 s choolmasters. A sum of 150,000/, is proposed to be voted a s allowance to officers and men for losses, with a view of covering claims to compensation which are likely to be made in the course of the ensuing year on the part of officers and men for losses which they may sustain' while engaged in active service against th e enemy. A min' of 75,0001. is also p ro p osed for " field allowances," consist ing of payments made to officers who are actually on service; upon an average they amount to about 2s. 6d . per d ay, an d their object is to pr ovide officere' outfit and allowance for the renewal of private baggage, &c. I next come to the vote to defray the charges connected with the proposed land transport service. It has been admitted that the land trans port service of the army in the Crimea has fallen into a state of inefficiency. It has been placed under the charge of the Commissariat Department. The duties which are r nissariat Department ar e amp l e t o occ upy proper to the Com , the whole time of any one head of a department, and that branch of the rarvice , being over-burdened w ith it so wn spe cial duties, has found itself little qualified to cope with diffi culties which had to bo surmounted. Not only was this department called upon to provide the means of transport ! for rations, forage, a mmunition, and the carriage of the sick, but also to provide for carrying up to the camp large quantities of extra warm clothing for the troops, and large quantities of huts sent out from this country, and that, too, at a time when it found animals . the which it had col lected together dying in large numbers from insufficiency of food, badness of road s, and exposure to inclement wea ther. The land transport service was in a state of ineffi ciency, and to remedy it the Government have organised this land transport corps, which will undertake the land transport service of the army. It is placed under the charge of Colonel Id 'Murdoch, who had proceeded from this country to the Crimea to set it is immediate opera tion. I find that, including the staff, the number of per sons that will be organised—native drivers amongst them, who will form part of the corps—will amount to about 8,000, and this vote is intended to cover the pay of that number of men, and, I believe, also to provide for the transport of animals that shall be purchased by our agents. Ido not mean to say that it will be sufficient to pay for the animals themselves, but it will provide for their con veyance from the countries where they shall be purchased to the seat of war, where they will be available for the pur poses of the army. lam unable to state the number of animals that will be collected together, because that will be regulated by the demands of the service. The honour able member for Aylesbury has said that we have made no provision for the maintenance of the foreign corps ; but in that respect he was in error, for I have now arrived at the estimate which provides for that purpose 400,040/., and which will be found at page 10. 1 have now gone through all the material items of the second vote in these estimates, and I have now to state that the total charge for she land forces to be voted by this house amounts to the sum of 7,350,0001., which is in excess of the estimate of last year—including in that expression as well the original as two supplementary estimates-2,630,0001. There is no difficulty in accounting for that excess. It is owing to the increased number of men receiving daily pay—the cost of the foreign corps—the cost of the land transport corps—the additional cost of hospital service and of the recruiting service, and the mounting of the men. Suppose I divide th charge for the land forces amongst the men to be maintained, including the foreign corps, I find the cost per man, including o ffi cer s as we ll as privates, will be for 1853-51. 351. Bs. ; for 1854.55, 34/.145. ; and for the present year, 37/.195. The increase for the vote in the last year for the staff amounts to 163,600/. There is no alteration, I think, in the Cape of Good Hope staff ; and with regard to that part of the foreign staff that is em ployed in the other colonies, I find there is a diminution of about 5,5001. That diminution is owing to the reduction of the military force in the province of Canada. In conse quence of that reduction, we have substituted a major general on the staff for a lieutenant-general, and to that sub stitution this reduction is to be attributed. There is ono remark which I wish to make in reference to the pay of the military secretary of the governor of the Cape of Good Hope. The Government have determined that for the future, where there is a civil governor in a colony, he shall not be allowed any staff by the Imperial Government. The con sequence is, that in the case of the Governor of Canada we have taken away the provision that was made for the aide de-camp for the civil governor. But we have made an ex ception to the rule in the case of the Governor of the Cape of Good Hope. We allow him a military secretary, paid by this country, and the reason is partly in consequence of the much larg er force maintained in the Cape of Good Hope than in the other colonies, and partly also in conse quence of the major-general commanding the army at the Cape being at a very great distance from the seat of the civil government, the major-general being at the eastern ex tremity and the civil governor at the western extremity. The wholeof the increase in the estimates isto be attributed, to the staff employed in the army abroad. It is not neces -sary to go into details, but I may say that more than one-half of the increase is required to pay for the number of surgeons and assistant-surgeons which it is necessary to employ in the hospitals at Scutari and with the army. The next vote to which I come is vote No. 4, for the public departments connected with the army. In this vote there is also a con siderable increase—there is an increase of 48,500/. I may state that I shall reduce the vote when I come to take it by the salary of the Secretary-at-War, for, that office having ceased to exist as a separate office, it will not be necessary to vote the salary. The increase in No. 4 arises partly from our having included in it the charge for the establishment of the Secretary of State for War, which amounts to a sum of 18,0001. The charge for that department last year was, I think, included in the civil estimates ; at all events, it was not included in the army estimates. There is also a considerable increase in the cost of the office which has hitherto been known as that of the Secretary at War. It has been found necessary to have an additional number of clerks employed in that office. The clerks engaged are temporary clerks, and of course will cease to be employed the moment the pressure of business in that service shall be reduced. There is also an increase on account of postage, which is merely :a matter of account, costing nothing to the public ; and these items added together account for the whole of the increase in this vote. I shall pass over the sth vote—the vote for the Royal Military College—be cause that is a self-supporting institution. That is to say, the payments made by the young men who are educated in that college quite cover the cost of the establishment. The payments, however, aro made into the Exchequer, and a certain sum is voted in the estimates for the support of the establishment. An hon. gentleman has given notice of a motion on the subject of the payments made by different classes of students, which will come on in due course, and I then propose to referfurther to the matter. There is an in crease in the vote for the military asylum, which is vote No. 6, of 2,6111. I am informed that last year an Act of Parlia ment was passed authorising the appropriation of 10,0001. for the purpose of enlarging the accommodation in the Mili tary Asylum, and the ebj ect of the increased vote in the pre sent year is to provide for the additional orphans who are to be admitted intotho asylum in consequence of the additional accommodation thus provided. The present number of orphans, as well in the Royal Military Asylum as in the Hibernian School, is 350, and we now provide for the maintenance of 120 additional orphans. Passing over vote No. 7, in which no alteration is made, I come to vote No. 8, which is the charge for the eni i bodied militia of the United Kingdom. There are 150 regiments of militia to be provided for, and the charge amounts to 3,813,3831. This is the first time that the charge for the militia has been included in the army estimates of late years. The coarse hitherto has been to take the militia estimates sepa rately from the army estimates. A committee was ap pointed, to whom the secretary submitted the militia esti mates, and if the committee approved of them, they were introduced to the house separately, and passed in that form. Last year a sum was taken on account for the several regi ments of militia embodied. This year, however, nearly the whole of the militia of the country is placed on a per manent footing, and the charge, therefore, for this service is included in the army estimates. Of the regiments em bodied the service of three has been accepted fur the Medi terranean, and it is intended to seed a further number to the same part of the world. With this vote is concluded the effective branch of this estimate, and upon the effective branch it is that the whole augmentation takes place. On coming to the other division of this estimate—the non effective branch, it would be found that, ou the whole, as compared with last year, there is a reduction of 33,0001. The first vote on the non-effective branch is the charge for rewardiug officers and men who have rendered distinguished service to the country. The whole vote amounts to 2z,0001., of which 18,0001. is appropriated to the rewarding cf offi cers, and 4,0001. to the rewarding of sergeants. There is au increase in that part of the estimate that is employed in the rewarding of sergeants of 1,5001. The next two votes are 10 and 11, both of which aro important, and both of which show a considerable increase. The first of those votes is applied to the unattached pay of general officers, and there is an increase in the vote of 18,0001. I will state the manner in which the increase arose. It is owing to the recommendation of the com mission which was appointed last year upon the subject of the retirement and promotion of officers in the army. The number of general officers receiving payment at the rate of 1/. ss. per day was fixed some time ego at 120. Such super numerary general officers, provided they had served a cer tain number of years as field officers, were allowed to re ceive not 1/. ss. a-day, but an annual allowance of 4001. In consequence of their being no brevet for some time past, the number of general officers in the estimates of last year had sunk below 120, and the number had become fixed at 105, so that there was no general officer receiving the pay of 400/. a-year. The commission appointed last year made au entire change in the manner of promoting officers to be general officers with the view of bringingyoungor men into the ranks, where they could be employed in the command of brigades or divisions. It is unnecessary to enter into the details at length, except so far as they bear upon the esti mate in this vote. It was stated that the effect of the re commendation, if adopted, would be to bear hardly upon the colonels created by the brevet of 1841 and 1810, and in erder to prevent any complaints it was advised that one more brevet should be issued to include all the colonels of 1811 and 1846. The commission recommended that the number of general officers receiving i l/. ss. a-day should be reduced to the number of 100 ; but the effect of the brevet of last year, by bringing forward to the rank of major general the colonels of 1841 and 1846, has been to raise the whole number of major -generals, excepting always those who are employed and are colonels of regiments, to 148, and the excess over 100 is to be provided for ; but it is intended in future to promote only one colonel to the rank of major -general for every three vacancies, until the whole number, which is now 148 shall be reduced to 100. c oe c an o o : ow; tsrfhso officers, 6a, t on h od e o i 4 n . crease in this vote. n The payment of the 400/. a -y ear t o th e genera l o ffi cers exceeding eto l ham O ne O dull will mn o i l t d h afi e t a x r i The increase ou vot e N o . 11 i s cause d b y th e re tirement on full pay of a certain number of colonels, that commission;in a c i s e orf o w i ngdu ra whereas formerly eraal with saos re captains,(t the a e i r n I r s y e , the recommendation of the committee it was agreed that it should be raised to the sum of 60,0001., the object being to make provision for certain captains and other officers who did not possess the activity which the exigencies of the present time required. A sum of 5,000/. would be sufficient for the purpose in the course of this year ; and next year and subsequent years more votes would be taken for the same purpose, so as eventually to bring up the whole vote for retired full pay for officers of the rank of colonel and captain and other officers to the standard of 60,000/. The charge for half-pay has undergone a reduc tion in the course of last year. The diminution in the num ber of officers receiving it was not less than 313, and the diminution amounted t o 7,7211. A great part of this re duction was owing to deaths in the coarse of the year, but a portion of it was also owing to the course pursued by the Government in calling out all the available captains who would accept employment in the army on active service, the opportunity of offering them employment being afforded to the Government by the , augmentation of the forces. I may observe that this vote, though substantially a non-effective vote, has, to a certain extent, in conse quence of what passed in the course of last year, main tained Is reserve on which the Government are able to call for officers, and by which the establishment •of the army may be increased without at the same time increasing the burdens of the country. I have no remark to make upon vote 13, which provides for the pay of the disbanded offi cers of the foreign corps in the late war, which shows of course. I wish to say a few words on votes 14 and 15 which provides pensions for the widows of officers and for their families. The increase in the vote for the present year is to be attributed to the probability that there will be an incrowed number of claims in the course of the year, and it is con sidered sidered desirable to relax the forms of the warrant dies under which those pensions are granted. Suppose an officer from fatigue or privation while engage d against the enemy it is considered that his widow an d f n battlz. In the vote i ily have as fair a claim upon the couutry as if ho h ad died i increase in fur the hospitals there has been, a n provisions. The only conse quencere- of the increased pjiice of maiuing vote which i t is ne cessary to advert to is the charge for out-pensioners. There is a reduction of the sum of 27,123/. in that vote in consequ ence of out-pensioners Aying off in t he course of the ye ar, while the p resent war e it is not supposed during this next year will exercise any material influence on the number of out-pensioners. H a ving occupied the committee so long, I shall now , with out waking any of those reflections which the nature of the subject might call for, at once proceed, sir, to place in your hand the first vote for 193,59 e office's, non-commiesioned officers, and rank and file for the year commencing the let of April, 1855, and ending the 30th of March, 1856. Captain BO LDERO observed that navy officers who were wounded and brought home to this country had an asylum offered to them at Portsmouth or Plymouth, where they received every kindness and attention, and were attended by the medical skill which their cases demanded, and. he thought it was a great hardship that wounded officers of the army, sent home from the Crimea, had not a similar asylum to receive them. He was glad to hear from the hon. member that the charge made to soldiers on entering hospital had been reduced from tenpence to twopence, He considered the change was a very great improvement, and must be very satisfeetory. But he wished to ask the hon. gentleman whether it had struck him that the officers of the army sent home from the Crimea were subjected to very great expense. He would give the house a case which had been related to him. It was the case of an officer who was wounded in the Crimea by ricochet cannon ball a 9-pounder. He saw the ball coming. and saw it enter the ground, and thought it had not sufficient power to strike him ; but it did strike him in the breast. Ho (Captain Boldero) was speaking of facts related to him by the officer's bro ther. The ball struck him and knocked him from his horse ; the medical men in the Crimea saw the wound was of great severity, and he was ordered home. He (Captain Boldero) had seen the individual himself in London, delicate in appearance, but still in pretty good health. The wound turned out badly afterwards, an ulcer formed in his chest, and he was laid upon his back. He went to an eminent medical man in London and stated his case. The opinion of that medical man was, had the ball struck him lower down, in the pit of the stomach, it would be instant death ; that had it struck him higher up it would cause a linger ing death, but having struck him where it did he thou g ht he could cure him. H. made a deep inci s i on i n th e chest, and attended him twice a day. That man was paying two guineas a day to th&t medical man for attending him, iu the hope that he would cure him. Whereas, if there was an hospital for officers of the army like those in Ports mouth and Plymouth, he would receive the best medical attendance in the kingdom free of expense. The officer had about 15s. a day, and he had to pay between two and three guineas a day for medical attendance. There was something rotten in the system when such a man was obliged to pay a heavy expense in order to get the neces sary attendance. It was stated by the hon. member for Aylesbury that the medical men in front of Sebastopol had signed a round robin, offering their resignation to Lord Raglan, though they were in presence of an enemy, and if such a thing did occur it was mutiny. The soldiers had dune their duty :as men with gallantry and bravery, hand to band and foot to foot, and let them blame the re gimental officers as they liked, they and the men had done the work. With regard to the state of recruiting, he understood they were at that moment getting 1,000 a week, a formidable number-52,000 a year. But what were the casualties? Why the casualties were a 1,000 per week. He did not pretend to say that the casualties in the Crimea were a 1,000 a week ; but what he meant to say was, that the casualties of the British army, including the colonies, were a 1,000 a week ; and that being so, he wanted to know how the army was to be recruited if the war continued? In the course of these discussions allusion hail been made to the Walcheren expedition, and an attempt had been made to draw - a comparison between that and the expedition to the Crimea. But the former expedition had to encounter a notoriously bad climate, but in the Crimea the climate was comparatively healthy, and yet we had lest our troops. We had lost !them, not through the climate, but from ever fatigue, from want of food, from want of clothing, from want of medical attend ance. The climate of the Crimea was just as good as the climate of England, and if we had fed and clothed the troops well, most likely they would have been just as healthy as if they were at home. The fact was, however, this Government had undertaken what they could not per ' form ; they had entered upon a war against Russia without making proper arrangements—and what had been the 113- sult ? Why, they had sent a formidable fleet to the Baltic, which had done nothing ; they had sent an army to Varna, which was cruelly reduced by disease; and, finally, they had sent an army into the Crimea to fight three splendid actions, without subduing the enemy. All these things were admitted ; every blunder was admitted—for the Go vernment denied nothing ; and there could be no doubt about it, that the whole action of the army and the ms. nagement of its supplies had been a mass of confusion and neglect from beginning to end. He yet hoped, however, that the present Government would be enabled to get the country out of the difficulty; but before they could do so an effort must be made to invest the north of Sebastopol. He did not wish to go into any other matters of detail, but there was one incident he could not help referring to, if only for a moment or two. Last July, while walking along the banks of the Thames, he saw some barges load ing with porter, and he was told the porter was going out to the Crimea. An order was afterwards issued, stating that the porter would be supplied to the troops at half price, but he was informed when the porter reached COI* etantineple there was no one to receive it, nor were there any stores where it could be warehoused, and the porter had to be brought back to England again. Now he should be glad to know how that was. Didithe authorities order it back because it was inferior in quality, or why? Porter, ho thought, would be of great service to the troops as a preservative of health—at least so he should gather from the experience of a medical officer who had served with the 91th Regiment in India. The mortality in that regiment in 1840 was 96 per cont., whereas in 1854 it had fallen to 16 per cent. ; and that improvement the medical officer attributed partly to improved sanitary arrangements, and partly to the introduction of porter amongst the men, who were thereby induced to abandon the use of spirituous liquors. Now there was no difficulty about this porter ;it was a national beverage—it could he obtained cheap—and he should like to know how it was that the porter sent out last summer was returned home instead of being distributed to the troops? Mr. W. WILLIAMS should neither object to the num ber of men nor the amount of money asked for, but there were parts of these estimates which they could not well discuss then. For instance, they were told that the offices of Secretary for War and Secretary at War were to be con solidated, and if that wore so, how could they be required to vote the expense of both? He, however, had no wish to complain of expense ; what he wanted was efficiency in the execution of the office. The cost of these offices was something like 70,0001. a year, and he ventured to say that for that sum, if the two were combined, the business would bo infinitely better done than it was at present. Only place a proper person at the head of the War Department, as was done iu France, and he should hare no fears for the re sult ; but in the meantime, until they were informed what Government had determined upon, he thought this branch of the estimates ought to be postponed. The hon. gentle man had referred to the change which had been made in the clothing of the army. He (Mr. Williams) had made it a rule to bring that question before the house for a num ber of years past, and, of course, he was not sorry to hear that at length the clothing of the army was placed in the hands of the Government, instead of the eoloael: in com mand. As far back aslB3l a committee reported upon this very subject, and at that time the profit to tho colonel for clothing the Grenadier Guards was 1,8001. ; but now he hoped the system was irrevocably changed, and that the colonels were provided fur as gentlemen and sol diers ought to be, instead of having to make up their incomes by becoming the tailors of their own regiments. Then, again, with regard to the emoluments of general officers, that was a ground of the greatest possi ble complaint, for the system enabled Prince Albert to re ceive 2,200'. a year, while such men as Sir De Lacy Evans, Sir Colin Campbell, and Sir Thomas Brown only received 1,1001. as the colonels commanding regiments. Where was the justification for paying Prince Albert, who was no sol dier, so much more than those veteran officers, whom he did not object to see provided for, when it was done in a proper manner ? The hon. gentleman had also referred to the system now going on for reducing the number of gene ral officers ; but although there was now a desire to reduce their number, it appeared to him, upon looking closely into the Queen's warrant, that there was a loophole left for increasing the number in the event of the Minister wishing it. We had now 350 general officers on the list, whereas France, with an army of between 500,000 and 600,000 men, had only 255. Another matter which he faund fault with was the preference given to the Guards over regiments of the line. Why should a captain in the Guards have the rank of a lieutenant-colonel in the line ? He could only account for it by the fact that the Guards wore principally officered by members of the aristocracy. Again, look at the inequality in the pay of officers in the Guards and officers in the line ; a lieutenant-colonel in the Guards received 11. Gs. 9d. a-day, while an officer of simi lar rank in the line only received lie a day. It only re mained for him to observe that he thought the colonies ought to provide their own local forces, without putting this country to expense, and to repeat that he made no objection to the 'umber of men or the amount of money asked for them. Mr. BENTINCK would not trouble the house with any remarks upon the details of these estimates ; he merely wished to make this one single remark—they had often heard of the enormous expense attendant upon the mainte nance of an army, but when they compared the estimates moved last year with those of the present year, they could not fail to be surprised at the enormous sum of money which had beenexpended in starving an army. But he hoped now that there was a new Government there would bo a better state of thiags, and that when they met next year they would not be called upon to indulge in the sad reflec tions that they were compelled to do now. (Hear.) Colonel B. KNOX declared that it was the course pur sued by the hon. member for Lambeth and the hon. mem ber for Montrose, and members of their class, that had brought matters to their present state. The hon. member for Lambeth, whose speech was a tirade against Prince Albert, before he got up in that house to preach about the condition of the army, should first thoroughly learn his lesson in order that he might know what he was talking about. The hon. member had made several gross mis takes. He forgot to tell the house that in the Guards there were three battalions, and that each battalion was equal to a regiment of the line ; but that would not suit the tactics of the hon. member, who was little better than a pettifogging economist. (A laugh.) Did not the hon. member know what an officer in the Guards drew for al lowances? Did he draw for coals, candles, and so forth, which were allowed to officers of the line ? No such thing ; but it did not suit the hon. member's purpose to mention those minor details. A captain in the Guards received 1201. a year, is the line he received 2001., and yet the officers in the Guards had to find their own clothing— everything, in fact. (Hear.) He wished to put this matter fairly to the honourable member. Well, then, was it not disgraceful in him to talk iu the manner ho had done ? Was he pursuing a straightforward course in thus attacking officers in the Guards? Had the Guards done their duty, oriLeal they not ? (Hear, hear.) They h a d , and, having been connected with the army for 25 y ears, ho could not sit there quietly and hear these pettifogging charges made again st a service to which he was p r oud to belong. (Hear.) With regard to the clothin g, no doubt th e change which h ad been made was a very proper one ; but though that was so, he must decline to give the hen. member for Lambeth the credit of it, which he wished to cla i m , while ho begged leave to tell the hon. and gallant member that there wore grave doubts whether the country would not lose by the change. At the same time, it was only rightthat colonelsof regiments should borelieved from their clothing responsibilities, and their pay placed upon a settled footing. (Hear, hear.) He concurred most fully with what had fallen from that hen. and gallant member for Huntingdon (Geller d Peal.) Government bad engaged in the war without sufficient men or adequate materials for carrying it on. They did it with their eyes open. They did it after the military departments of the country had been improperly reduced through the squabbling over the estimates by men of the school to which the hon. member for Lambeth belonged, and now that they had got into war they found that their moans were totally inadequate for carrying it on. lie said, then, that the responsibility rested with the Government. If be was not misinformed, in December, 1853, when war was imu inept, a conference was held at the War-office, which was attsended by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Secretary-at-War, the Minister for the Colonies, and the Commander-in-Chief. Public rumour said the distinguished officer at the head of our army was called upon by the conference to give an opinion as to what number of men could be furnished, or would be required in case of emergency. What number that distinguished officer mentioned he knew not ; but if the general commanding-in-chief of the army advised the executive government that he was totally deficient in every material necessary for carrying on a great war, then the responsibility which rested upon the Government Was doubly great. That was a question which ought to be solved. (Hear.) Lord SEYMOUR wished to say ono or two words rather in defence of an absent member than upon the details of the estimates. The hon. and gallant member who had just sat down had told the committee that the state of the army was owing to the conduct and perseverance of the hon member for Montrose. Now, he should like the hon. and gallant member to look over The votes of past years and point out to him any one where the hon. member for Mon trose had proposed a reduction of men. He had been in the house for a good number of years, and he had never seen a Government come forward and ask for a certain number of men without receiving a grant of that number. So far, therefore, the charge was unjust ; but it was unjust on other grounds also. He had served for throe years con secutively on committees on estimates for the army, the navy, and the ordnance, along with the hon. member for Montrose, and ho had never found that hon. member pro pose any vote which tended to reduce the efficiency of the service. Ho always insisted, however, on the right of the house to see how the money was spent. (Hear, hear.) It was a very difficult thing, and a very disagree able thing i n d ee d, t o b e a lways objecting to payments offered to officers and men of distinction. The fa vourite estimates of the hon. member for Montrose were the Conservative estimates of the year 1834-5 ; and when ever ho wanted to taunt a Government with their esti mates„be referred back to those model estimates of the Conservative party. (Hear, hear.) The present was a time when no one wished to reduce estimates. We wanted especially at this time to maintain an effective cavalry force. Our present cavalry amounted to no more than 9,000. What a miserable force with which to go to war with Rus sia. (Hear, hear.) And then of those 9,000, three regi ments were household troops, who were little more OI beef-eaters. (Hear, hear, aid laughter.) It seemed to him that it might be right for the sake of the splendour of the court to keep up one magnificent regiment, in which the horses were so great and the men so heavy as to be quite unserviceable in the position in which they were wanted —(hear, and laughter)--but it was surely unnecessary to keep up three regiments on that scale. Mr. H. J. B_AILLIE had understood that the proposed land transport service was to consist of 8,000 men. The number of horses attached to such a corps could net be less than 12,000. It would be necessary to calculate some such number, for the food of those animals would have to be sent from this country. They had the authority of no less a person than the Earl of Cardigan that the horses com posing our cavalry force in the Crimea had been literally starved to death. It was generally understood that the cavalry in the Crimea was to be increased by at least 1,200 men, now on their way from India, and by at least a simi lar number to be sent from this country. There had never been any explanation why the horses in the Crimea had been starved to death. Barley, it was known, could be procured in any quantity at a distance of only two days' sail. The head of the commissariat department, however, still retained his place, and therefore it could not be sup posed that the Government had any serious cause of com plaint against him. It had been stated that recruits were now to be engaged between the ages of twenty-two and twenty-six, and for periods of one, two, or three years. He had never before heard of engaging troops for one year. That would scarcely give time for the recruits to be drilled and brought into a condition to be of service. He therefore supposed no man would be engaged for less than three years, and he wished to know whether men en gaged for that period were to be allowed the same bounty money as those engaged for the ordinary term of years? He also wished to know whether any steps had been taken to enlist the foreign corps? Sir E. PERRY should like to know what was the real expense of the British army. The army expenses were so much scattered over different estimates that no man out of the Government could come even to an approximation of the aggregate expenditure. The country had lately heard with delight that no fewer than sixty sergeants of the line had been endowed wit c h commissions for gallant conduct in the field. He wished to know whether, at the time those commissions were presented, there was given to those ser geants any allowance to enable them to take up their posi tions as gentlemen? Such allowances were absolutely ne cessary, and documents in the library of the house showed that they were made in France. There had been brought forward in the house that night a question which deeply occupied the public attention—the question of aristocratic influence in the English army. This question must be dealt, with by some statesman who was able to read the signs of the times. It was no vulgar demagogue who an nounced to the people of England that the cold shade of aristocracy was withering their army. On the contrary, it was a man of the highest rank both in the army and among the proudest aristocratic families of which we could boast. When he (Sir E. Perry) contrasted the moral condition of the soldiers in the Crimea with the moral condition of the soldiers who fought our battles in the revolutionary war, the last of whom were said to be the outpourings of the streets of London, he felt that the time was come when that great question must be dealt with, and the same plain career afforded in the army as was to be found in other ranks in this country. It was from no insolent sen timent of ill will to the aristocracy that his hon. friend had brought forward this question. For himself, his own sympathies and interests were all bound up with the insti tutions of the country ; but the statesmen who guided their counsels must now adapt the institutions of the country to what they saw around them on every side, and it was because the noble lord at, the head of the Govern ment was capable of effecting such an adaptation that he (Sir E. Perry) was willing to give a strenuous support to the noble lord's Government ; but he wished particularly to express the dissatisfaction with which he had heard the taunts and ill-deserved sneers which had been levelled at his honourable friend who pointed out where the blot lay. This question was so muoh connected with the committee to be moved for on Thursday next, that he must make a few observations with reference to it. Ho had come down to the house the other day with an earnest desire to be able to retract the vote he had given on a former occasion. He had expected that the noble lord at the head of the Government would have put forward such a vigorous pro gramme of the conduct of the war that ho should have been able to reconcile to his conscience and his constitu ents the change in his conduct ; but on hearing the plans which lied been adopted, he only felt, in common, he be lieved, with the greater portion of the house, a blank feeling of shill and dissatisfaction. (Cheers.) The hon. member for Aylesbury had pointed out the extraordinary fetters placed upon the executive in the field, and the noble lord had given nu answer to any one of those objections. If the Government was not satisfied with their Commander in-Chief their course was obvious, the whole country being with them ; but their new mode of shackling a gene ral in the field with commissioners tied round his neck, and with power almost to displace him, would paralyse the efforts of any man, however gifted he might be in the conduct of war. His hon. friend had been taunted with citing the commissioners dc la surcti; publique as an ex ample to be followed ; but, on the contrary, the honour. able member had pointed to that as the only instance on record in which such an extraordinary procedure was re sorted to ; and, in fact, to make that commission succeed, the commissioners were armed with an arbitrary guil lotine. (Laughter.) As an independent member of the house, and as a supporter of the Government —(a laugh)—he had ventured to make these observations. Ile observed that his calling himself a supporter of the Government called up some smiles on the opposite side of the house. He could assure the honour able gentlemen who sat opposite that he had no desire at all to see them sitting in the places of the present Govern ment, nor should he ever wish to live under such a rule as theirs. (Laughter and cheers.) Their Chancellor of the Exchequer would, under Lord Derby, probably have been the right honourable gentleman the leader of the Opposi tion ; and their War Minister would have been a noble man under whose rule he (Sir E. Perry) had lived during a most eventful period ' • and if any one wanted to see what sort of a War Minister that noble lord would have made, let them turn to the last chapter of " Thornton's History of India." He (Sir E. Perry) believed that the noble lord at the head of the Government would do anything his ge niusssuggested for the conduct of the war • and, as an in dependent member, and a supporter of the Government, he had thus ventured to express an opinion as to what he should like to see done. He, as well as those who shared his opinions, looked to the noble lord to mould the policy of the Government with vigour according to the spirit of the nation and the exigencies of the crisis. Mr. PERCY must complain of the deductions made in the soldier's pay for the expense of his clothing and other comforts, in time of war, and thought that if this system went on between the noble lord and the Seeretary for War the firm would soon be known by the appellation of Moses and Son. (Laughter.) At Scutari he had been told, by the medical men connected with the hospital there, that there prevailed a deplorable want of proper clothing for sick and wounded, and men were sent thence as convales cents who, on arriving at their destination, were found to be so ill that they were obliged to be sent back again. He urged on the Government to provide proper clothing in the different hospitals for convalescents going out to the Crimea, and also for those returning to England, because he heard that a convalescent returing to England had only the clothing which the sailors and marines wore. He must also allude to the stoppages made from the soldier's pay for hospital allowances. Ile knew an instance II which several hundred sick and wounded were landed from the Acorn at Scutari, who arrived at the hos pital in such a state as to be incapable of taking care of themselves, having lost their kits. The authorities refused to supply them with knives and forks, because, by the re gulations, a soldier was obliged to find those articles, but fortunately there were other parties who supplied there. He thought great blame must bo attributable to some of the subordinate officers, as he was ready to express his belief that no one could bo more zealous or active in the cause of the soldier than the late Secretary at War (Mr. S. Herbert). 110 wished to ask why it was that there were so many ships at Beycos Boy lying idle and doing nothing ? Why could they not drop down to Scutari, where they might anchor in perfect security, and their crews might bo employed in landing the sick and wounded, and assist ing to carry them to the hospital, instead of leaving them to the tender mercies of the Turks? (Hear, hear.) If the house had seen, as he himself had, 450 sick landed in one day, they would acknowledge that there was much cause for this question. (Hear, hear.) Ho believed that on that occasion a request was actually made that a ship should drop down to Scutari, but was refused ; some days elapsed before these poor wretches were landed, and during that time they were lying on the deck in their miserable rags. He would also call the attention of the right hon. gentle. man to the state of the staff surgeons in the hospitals, where they duties that ought wer e called upon to perform to be discharged by civilians, such as drawing up the diet roll. One staff officer wrote to him that his doctor had to attend to G 0 sick men and nine officers, whereas the French regulation with respect to medical men was that there should be one doctor to every 25 wounded, and one to every 50 men labouring under maladies ordinaires. Mr. LAYAIID begged to be allowed to call attention to ono point of great consequence—that of the tents. He bee lioved a largo number of the tents furnished to the troops for use during the present campaign wore old tents that had been used in the Peninsular war, and that it had been truly remarked of them that one might as well sit under a sieve. In fact, a great part of the misery endured by our men was owing to the insufficient protection they had against _the weather. For this purpose the arrangements adopted iu the French service were admirable, the troops being provided with small tents, which the loon could early about with them. He had received a letter from Colonel Ellers Napier, who took a groat interest in these matters, which acquainted him that a tent had been transmitted to him, divided into six parts or more, of so light a nature by a ai n r waosn tfhooet,ii\i'vleinchtioNvna(s)fcaapapbrilveaotef as to be carried hsoolldliienrg—saix:hpeerhs:dousLeen informed by General Bosquet was also the case with the tent used by the French. If we entered upon a summer campaign, wo might expect great su ff er i n g again to be experienced by our army ; and he must again urge the adoption of a better mode of covering the troops, especially that a better description of hospital marquees should be chosen. It was- remarkable that, during the gale of the 14th November, when every one of our tents was blo wn d own, not a s i ng l e Turkish teat had been. Another point he wished to allude to was the en listment of the new proposed corps of cavalry. Govern ment always appeared to do the right thing at the wrong time, and in the wrong place. (A laugh.) They wore now about to send English officers to raise cavalry in Thessaly, but they might as well send them to Iceland, or any other quarter. If they wanted an excellent and effi cient corps of irregular cavalry, they ought to send t0...A1i&