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This being the day to which the House of Commons adjourned on the 21st ultimo, the Speaker entered the House a few minutes before four o'clock, and a sufficient number of Mem bers having assembled, took the Chair imme diately after prayers PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE QUEEN. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that a Committee should be appointed to search the Journals of the Lords, and to. inquire if any and what proceedings had taken place on the 13111 of Pains and Penalties brought in to de grade her Majesty from the style and title of Queen of England, and to report thereon to the House.. The Motion having been read from the Chair, Mr. Sc rjeant ONsLow did not rise to oppose _he motion of the Right Hon. Gentleman, but after the strong expressions which \lie had heard on the , subject of 'the forms of the proceedings, and the mode of conducting the inquiry into the Queen's conduct elsewhere ; feeling, as he did, for the honour of that House, and wishing the inquiry to be conducted in the most soleMn man ner, he would submit it to those whom it most nearly concerned, whether it might not be pro per to introduce, with the least possible delay, a Bill to enable the House of Commons to examine witnesses upon oath. To him it appeared that such a measure would be expedient. Ile, how ever, did not propose to bring in such a Bill him self, but he hosed that Ministers would take the matter into their serious consideration. . Mr. CREEVEY felt himself called upon to say a few wqrds, after hearing the observations which had just fallen from the Hon. and Learned Gen. tleman. Within a few days a report had been put in circulation, that it was in contemplation -to apply to that House to depart in the present case from its' established custom ; that in, fact an at- tempt was to be made to prevail upon it to re nounce that authority which it possessed now, and which had always belonged to it ever since it was a House of Commons—that or examining witnesses at their bar. He would not consent to a departure from the established practice. H e did not know whether the suggestion of the lion. and Learned Gentleman was in any way con- nected with that which was rumoured to be the intention of Government. Mr. Serjeant ONsLow—' - 4 ‘ Upon my honour pot." The SPEAKER called the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to order.. saw Mr. CREEVEY proceeded to comment on the 1 course of the proceedings in the case of the Queen. After the degradation of the other ; House—after the degradation of his Majesty by the steps which had 'been taken, if the House of Commons were to be precluded froin examin ing witnesses at their bar according to their an cient custom, the sum of degradation would be complete: This would establish the necessity of effecting a Parliamentary Reform with a witness. If after what had already taken place—if after the evidence given before the other House, as before 'a Court of Justiee--it after that, for the more speedily getting rid of this measure, they were not to be allowed to examine witnesses, then he would say that from that.moment the House of Commons must become instantaneously, com pletely, and irrecoverably an object of contempt with the people. Mr.Serjeant ONLOW was sorry that his object should have been so misunderstood as it had been. by the. Hon. Gentleman who had first spOken.— He agreed with that Hon. Member as to the im portance of their retaining the right of examining witnesses at their bar ; and all that he had said was, that wishing the inquiry to be conducted in' the most solemn manner, he thought it would be desirable that a Bill should be passed to enable the House of Commons "to examine witnesses on oath. .He denied that in coming to this conclu- - sion he bad been influenced by any communica tion with Ministers, or with any person whatever.. His object was simply what he had stated it to be, and it had no connection with any other project. • Mr. BERNALL could notapprove of the sugges tion which had been thrown out. He for one must object to any extension of the jurisdiction of the House of Commons. He should regret to see the power of examining on oath given to them on any occasion, however desirable it might appear ,to he in some particular cases. Such an inquisitorial power would, he trusted, never be lodged in any House of Commons. If the Bill shouldbe sent down to them from the other House, he hoped they, would come to a resolution not to receive it, and this he thought would be much better than pro , ceeding by. means of a Bill to invest themselves with a power which might be used for the most baneful and tyrannical purposeS, and which was in direct opposition to the constitution 'of 'that House. Mr. llonnotlsE could not refrain from offering a few remarks on the present occasion on the pro ceedinas of the other House. He was reluctant to put,himself forward, and had looked round in the hope that some Member of more weight than himself would take up the subject. He did riot see why that House should be treated as a mere appendage to the other House of Parliament, and continue to meet day after day for no other pur pose but to inquire what had been done by the Lords in a proceeding against which they had de- cided, iu the first instance, as "-derogatory to the dignity of the Crown, and injurious to the best interests.of the country." He knew that the mo tion now before the House would be fol !Owed tip by another for a new adjournment. If that House were thus to be called upon to adjourn day after day on account_of the proceedings now going, forward in the other; he thought the Gentlemen opposed to MiniYcers might as well resign their seats at once, and give . up the hopeless stttig - gle as to go on in this way, inquiring what the Lords had done, Merely to approve of their pro ceedings as correct. For himself he thought, and was convinced, that far from being correct and proper, they were of a most pernicious cha racter. To him they appeared injurious and un just, degrading to the country and to its Sove reign. The House of Commons had acted, since the coMmencement of this inquiry, as if they no reason to disapprove of any thing that Lords had done. He knew • that, accord ng to the forms of the House, they were not to ae supposed to know what was passing in the Lords; that, in fact, they were to pretend to know nothing of the Inquiry now in progress.— But, at the last time the House of Commons met, they were permitted to refer to what had taken place in the other House, to assist their proceed ings in this. He did not know that the House of Commons owed the House of Lords that sort of deference which had been paid - to them.—; He did not know that they owed them such 'marks of` respectful confidence, when the Members of the Upper House were acting a part directly against the sense .of the House of Commons. The Lords were pro ceeding with a trial to which the House of Com mons had objected ; they were examining the contents of the Green Bag, which the Commons had scornfully suffered to -remain unopened on their table ; and when the Lords thus dissented from that House, he did not see that they were entitled to such deference as had been paid to them. He would say that it was impossible for the Bill of Pains and Penalties to be prosecuted in the other House with any thing like fairness or impartiality. It was not to he expected from the character of those who composed it. He did not mean to say that their Lordships were worse than men in common, but he did not be lieve them to be better than common men. He must therefore calculate on their being influenced by those motives which weighed with other men, and when they saw honour on one side of the question; and neglect on the other, it was to be presunied*that they would - take that course which secured their own interests.' The SPEAKER said, the lion. Member had re. marked that on a former day a reference had been made to the proceedings in the house of Lords.- He would, however, put -it to the Hon;MeMber whether, if this had been done in the instance alluded to, - it could now be proper for him to depart not only from the form, but from the- spirit of their rules. Mr. Honnottsc had no wish to take a course which the Ch i aia thOught.disorderly, but he had conceived it would not be improper to urge the arguthents he had used to' 'dissuade the House from searching the Journals. Mr. CALCRAFT 'said, the Members of the House of Commons had access to the Journals of the Lords, and might therefore be allowed to speak of any thing that had actually happened. To speak of that which might happen at a future period was a matter of more delicacy. Mr. lionnousE did not wish to speak of what might happen, but merely of what ,had taken place, 'and he had thought he had the same right to speak of proceedings in the other- House, Which was now, called a Court of Justice, as he had to speak of what passed in any other Court of Justice. He, however, would abstain from touching on any topic which the Speaker consi dered to be improperly introduced. To him it appeared that the Heuse ought to oppose the Bill of Pains and Penalties in limbic. He would oppose it on the same grounds as formerly.- It is impos.= sible that the nation—that his Majesty, or that the Illustrious Personage wbo was the subject of the Bill, could be .benefited by it, and the whole of the people were against it. He knew it would be said, that the present ferment was only on the surface of the community, and that it was excited by designing individuals for purposes of their own. But'if this were to be said on every occa sion:like the present, he should like to know where they were- to stop. -If • the voice of the people were - not now to be listened to, he wished to ktioW under what circumstances they were to be regarded as entitled to attention ? He would take upon himself to say, that the ferment which existed did' not rest merely on the surface—it would' be found much deeper, and it would be found springing every where from a love of justice —front a hatred of oppres'Slon, aad from those honourable feelinzs which had always dis -1 tingoish4 the people of" this country, and which it should he the objectof the Goveroment rather to cherish than to destroy. lii no instance could this Bill prove other than injurious. T o t h e Ki n g (if •he might venture to mention his - name) it would afford no relief. 'What then would. be the effect of the measure, if Ministers shOuld be cursed by the accomplishment of their wishes,and the Bill should pass into a law ? In that case bow would the parties stand ? The one seoa id he . proved to - be a strumpet, and the other that which he would not name. If the present relotion were carried, if the -Journals of the House were EN' rch ed, he wished the-. Right lion. Gentleman to con sider what would be the result. Did he think [PRICE SEVENi3ENC; tha s t Ministers, with all their standing akmies, could ever carry this 8111 into execution ? All the feelings of th• country were against it, and if that part of the Bill were given up; which it should seem was to be abandoned, why was it necessary to pass it at all ? if it were not intend ed to give the King a divorce,. why should they degrade the Queen ? The Bill, he was of opi nion, did not go merely to degrade the Queen, but it went to degrade the King ; it went to degrade the Parliament, and -it went to degrade the •. Country; What had come out in the course of this inquiry ? Had any thing occtirred to raise the glory of the Country ? ; nothing of the kind had transpired ; but on the contrary, great dis- • grace hadfallen on the nation. Our Ambassa dors, Officers, .I.ld Ministers, had been degradtA Into spies and eMes-droppers and suborners of perjury, and to finish this disgusting picture, the House of Lords, the Peers of England, the " lars of the State," had been ro.uced to searchers of foul clothes-bags and chamber utensils. Was this also to be- the office of the Commons ? Were they tp go through this drudgery, and to pass through the solemn mockery, sittin g there as representatives of the .people, of giving the sanction of that people to a measure to which they Were unanimously opposed? lie had beard it said that it was hard for the Queen that the evidence Should be published, dud that the proceedings should stop there. it was very natural for the Learned Coun sel for the Queen to say let the evidence go on, for it was reasonable to conclude that it would make in her favour. Now enough had - been done to . spew that the preamble of the Bilk was' wholly without foundation. Those who had been appointed to select the evidence had proved themselves not trus t-w orthyo.nd that which had been brought forward . was not sitch as ought to have been laid befme any men possessed of corn- . mon sense or common honesty: If the Bill should come down to the llintse of Commons they must be hedged In as the. other House had. been with standing armies, and . thtts reduced to the. last dis grace of Roman servitude. Instead of Waiting to be placed in such a situation, it would be much better to get rid of the subject altogether, by some such motion as that which had been made on a late occasion, for an address to the King to prorogue the Parliament. lie wished to knOw by whom the expense incurred by these proceedings was to be paid. 7 Of course it was by the coup try. He could not suppose it was to come out of the pockets of the Gentlemen; opposite. The•• nation then was to pay, and for what? Was it for any thing redounding to their honour and glory, or for any thing that they desired ? No, it was for that whith covered the people of this country- with shame and disgrace, and Which they had endeavoured. to oppose in 'every possible way. Ale should like to know how much these proceedings cost the country. But no, they were not to he told this. They were' to be told what sums were aavanCed to enable the Queen to prepare.for her defence 5 but they were not to be told what the sums amounted to that were expended on the other side. The House of Lords acted a most extraordinary part nn. this occasion. It was not only Judge and Jury, but it was also Prosecutor. The Attorney-Ge neral, when asked at the bar of the House of -. Lords for whom - he appeared, .had answered that; he appeared there in consequence of an •order fromtheir Lordships. It therefOre shOuld seem that the House of Lords was the prosectitor in tlli3 case. Before so monstrous a Tribunal it Iva* im possible that any justice could be expected or ob-= tamed.. What then, under all the circumstfraces of the case, remained for the Muse of Commons to do, but to endeavour to stop these proceed ihgs ? They would not be disgraced by doing so. Whe- - tiler disgrace would fall on those who had ad-. vised these proceedings ,was another question.. But it would be no disgrace to that house to j . say, " We are convinced front* all that has passed, that the opinion we originally formed on - thi3 case, was a just one. WeintVe allowed the -Noble Lord a fair trial, but he having failed to make out his case, we decide against proceeding fur- , then" Such a course might, in his opiciion j be adopted, with perfect propriety, and he thoUght there could be no :objection to . an amend•alent like that formerly moved by a Noble Lbrd, and he was therefore disposed to move one on the present occasion. He knew that it was a bitter draught for those who brought forward measures "to be obliged to withdtaw them, but there was no disgrace in being intimidated from doing wrong, and in changing bad measures for those tharwere less objectionable. lie concluded by moving, as an amendatent . to the motion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, " That an humble Address be :presented to his Majesty, praying him to be pleased to prorogue that House, and thereby put an end to the proceedings against her Majesty." -Mr. BeNNETT seconded the Amendment. • Sir IL Wit.sOs remarked on the conduct of Ministers in offering no observations in reply to the motion. They iu preserved silence ; they might think it dignified to do so, but he Was of, 'opinion that the country woUld not be satisfied with such conduct. 'For himself, he would no - :V declare, that if this/ unfortunate Bill. should be brought into that House, he ayould oppose it in every stage. There was nothing that the *it of m:fi r CoUld devise—there was - no form or circum stance that could - be applied to obstruct the mea sure, of which he won:.. not OA. nn'asylf. 111 had attended in the liou , ie of Lords 670 y-day ; he had seen the witnesses, had heard could •be said for them, and hal ol*rVtd ter. rhe; ose. ess‘ and ilh and re ray, Lr 4 As 7 ern` seat Dal: