The Sun. — London, England, 1815-04-29 00:00:00

ti ~1~ . . .• , ''"lt.itete of itrength and vigoer which they none fortunately presented, and which' left at their tlis trel the ulteriatk e o f pea ce or yeah---(Hear wished shot tly to[advert to the Consideration, whether the coutinet of Government had been con stitutionally correct. Paliament, in their address of the 17th instant, hed . given no pledge as to the Peliey whether of war or pence. The only pledge Il;hey had giveo was, that the arm of thr ifixeetrtive, uvertiment should he fortified hoth by sele'mid ; but it in no way expressed, whether the :Sucerity of the country would hr best sought by active warfare or by a defensive system ; so that it" ll e House could Stitt exercise it: controlli ng- authority. Bur the llonottrable Gentleman 'thought that his Aliiiestv'e Ministers were guilty of a breach of duty they ileelared their pinions ns to those preparatory measures which ,:.irlionent had authorised,• and the' results to y rh . 6(.11 they might lead. The principles on which ‘Litisters ha l l acted w e r e these,----that if there was !doubt as to _the course to be purstonl; then that trOe of policy should h ave t he preference which ;he of Continent, as being first ex posed to the danger, s ho u ld d eem i t b est to adopt ; 4nd if they resolved on war, then that would be a s..eason for our em b arking iu their support-, rather !ban separatin g o ur i nterests from theirs. Mi tlisters wera perfectly - willing to allow our Allies . 11 e full heuetit of a deliberate review Of all the circuthstancts of the ease. ilkstratu this, he slu.ethl advert to the chronology of the whole of tratisaetioes. 'Whew the Altus issued their de ,claratioe of th e 13 t h o f M arch,' it was directed a g ain 't alt , iadividual who, iu breach of the most totem!! engagements, %%Nis invading France, tot ttli°ll t they conceived as far from being likely th r"tiffle to exercise the chief auth o rity in et t i ., ( j .c " ° "trY. Ile differed from the tionothare Nautlema n as to time character of that dead ; am! when the H ine f or di scuss i ng it ar ?:rvedi lie should b e prepared to shew that upott f air construction was such a meaning . table to it a s the Hon. Gentleman attached; and ( flirt it gave as little countenance to assassination ez i t i many spe ec h es he had heard front the Hon. ' enti " "ti iu that House. But to 'return to the subject mere immediately before them, he would. state that if the Kneel , . tit the Continent resolved that their safety was hest to be consulted by arms, they had Conte to this conviction from a consi idlejali"" the (Lingers w i t h w hi c h t h ey were io tvidually threatened. They had not been goaded CO by i nc i tements from this country ; for the Cofoarse purnihl. by Miuisters had been rather that sugeesti eg the difficulti e s th e y were likely to icuieed, if the - Cohtineat did not feel Viet war was their true ititervsf, it would have been theanost unteise p o li c y to urge t h em i nto Ira 15 such a coalition could only be kept toge:her 4 Y . " feeli ng of sacred interest. Ministers had no bc s!tation in saying,altat tithe sentiments of the Can- titinental Po wet I e mainetldet ermined as to Wat,then bie,y if "'(:Te' Prepared tn engage in their supp or t : (u,eirennisfat iub;egisent to . t!e Declaration luid led them to :Q,itwe, aMI, material diGrences Rf ro‘itionl„t,! p mildsters were per fectly.riesirons 'hat these . considerations should be thas ak : let° aceonet. A t th e time when the Treaty •Ignerl et Vivnna, Wits k 'mown Get' Ney acted the P 4tt of traitor, end chit little dein:ll - Could t►t,'the Many at :Velem : bealt Iyas nor known that. th e Ki g would .he ()Aged t° T e the 1'1.0151 his eapitel. lience the - Allies were Called upon to sec elm:ult. t of greajer di ffi culty en auger in, the events which had _, Cllllellling had beep:sail of the little dependence !trot rutty 11 0 h e plac e d on coalitions ; but as far.as fle hair an ...opportunity of examittieg the Prluci" lttles hie!) the Alli es acted, he was enabled to celate, that their seese the greetings of the win g er -to which they were exposed had only added to their'Sober not convietion that they could take the benefit of lieace in the present c utustaares of Europe The present circumstances bad'a thartier eemore.pectiliar,thi et any thing pre eented in'instory, by !het flagrant breech of treaty !Which had deprived Eerope of all the advantages SIM expected tram the Renee which had been con eluded. The rotary' .of this mail ao• France,. in et!attee of all engagements, wits ati inseit as well an injury to Ull pi tie do s , andexec e d e d whatever was ne by preceding Governments of France,however haieand degraded. This tuan glorified bituaell" t tee Perpetration of his had faith. Resentmeut was not, indeed, to commit another nation to all the consequelices-of natl. ; but the character of Mo ., terperte in these . transaptiohs was marked in distinct and legible terms, The lion. Member, had nevertltonl;iitUinimparte'S character k inat 41' of great imam:tenet: : but take his, previeos tiondoet, and couple it with the present eircurn stances, and a complete case was made out against "uy, reliance upon hiln aod:which reduced the question merely to at of.peisiet. We were fully tinkled to presume. that lot would only nresexve Peace till the oeension suited him to violate it, When toe; bud with other nations reduced our ex pelled', while he continued his hihours to nue teetit las military force. Were it ,supposed that this new Conetitution would be any sufficient con troll( ? how many Constitutions lied Frence ttl ready received in the cottoe of a few years ? if 'Constitutions on.paper conitkontrati Buonaparte, le would be the-most inoffensive at persons alive. rile party in France with whom he at present con nected himself, did, not entertain sentiments in .Ketteral in common with hito, and he viewed them. l'uly as instrum e nts by Whi c h h e c ould reas s em bl e . 1 1 , 13 formerly victorious builds, who were still "irstiog.: tor plunder and spoliation. Did any lady think that when he again got et the head of 1 00,00 0 ". 04 , ps, h e would feud. any olecrion or iElleulty ..to disposing, of his present 'Omn i:olora, whether Fitueles or Lucien Biuniaparte, II they _opposed his views ? What did he say 1 0 m ous i ma. ', R i n e, , w h o was then •ist the head Of som e assembly or .other ? 13e told pith t ifter return from Russia, that they, talked ' ll4 "whit they did not understand, thtu they inigt.t go about tltutr busi , ivis, thathei was boro fe e h;, siumth),,,:eadt!aat the-wishes of thu.French bad Made thin elteir Emperor.- It had bee°,§4i'l s nawvitere, that hi, wait 1104'..ii changed man, and t het'sinc e his return he was deterntioed only on 4 „ h e cetteiliatio n o f a ll powers, Greta among the rest ; and roof of this, be bail 'eett 0 theatele on-oeesehaect which particularly qr:-osed ttis v i ews - as t hey regarded the . . opinionS Of_Geteit Britain': but, this measure lte had previenely opposed,and said he would he the last- to .agree to, ,even for the honour of France. These opinions,lVVlT' 1101 idie dreams as to wh a t would be his conduct if his career were suffered to proceed to any great extent. What grtiinels were Eli re tor trusting to his keeping die peace that were 'consistent with the views mid expeetations of the perjured French Army? His present situation might be called a re-election ; but it was the effort of a large, corrupted army, tired of peace,,dissatistied with halt-pay, uneasy muter the benevolent and pscific sway of Louis XVIII. which was bottomed by the respect of the other mantes. The prospects of the soldiery were to revel again in the plunder of other countries, and, to gain military promo -tion through war; they thought only of rising above their respective , grades. Indeed, if be did not shape his conduct according to their views'of promotion and pillage, he was likely to meet the coetempt of the army, and ,to become odious to them. The Noble Lord sincerely believed this must be his course. NVit h such a person, the question might surely arise, whether the great est -denger wiss in actual contest, or in bering over dangers speedily to be apprehended.— Instead of the Continental . powers being stow found in the reduced state of peace which"was their desire, they were yet in military strength : and they had a Just claim on the Fr e nch N a ti on , who-were, strictly and morally speaking, parties to the peace of Paris. Never was a Nation, un der. such circumstances, treated so well ; never wits the garb of conquie ors 'so stripped off, and such an endeavour to appear rather as allies than foes. Those who saw' Paris at that time, might have seen that foreign interests and glory seemed forgotten for the sake of FOlllee'. The ether powers hadatow a distinct right to call on the" Freneh people to attend to the Treaty, which was founded on the exclusion of Buonaleirte. lt, however, the French people were so iiilatietted as. t o lend themselves to the views of Bimaparte, and become a party . te so gross a breach and fraud, thee he mem say it was 411flufortunate case; ( n it if France Were so dead to proper feelinge, the . war must he with France, and it would be for Europe to con tend for its tiwe liberty and safety. Ile could conceive that France, worn out wit !I revolutions,. might prefer submission to un Usurper, rather than make a moral effort in her own behalf, aud that 1t hen hehad restored his army she would still submit ; but Europe was not to suffer France to choose her owe held et action. Austria, Prussia, and all Germany, &c. were not to be exposed • again to plunder and devastation: It was right its such an event to make the seat of war iii Fteoce herself. The French army was not to find the world a sacrifice to their profits and professional advancement. If .they thought it their right to disturb Europe, she ought to teach those who, were so fond of war, that they were not to have it exactly as they wished it, but as Europe shoehl choose it. It was tinjest to suppose Clint the Ailed Powers wanted • wee. The history of the times since the French Revolution, spewed the clangers arising front a cOntidenceie the pacific professions of Bnonaperte, a ho weakly imagined t !muse' ves to be safe by the policy of peaceful r, ; lltious with (Hear !) It was ouly by is depart tire. front that in [notated toyv cm of the Him. Members', that a uniou wits affected among the Mates., illitt:ad. of. Thrseing pri.ate indivithat interests, and betray lug_ one another ; and the world could lett shew. an instance of cam) moderation to that displayer' by the alliance. 1 he Hoteetrable Alembee spoke in .he spirit of der4lllll6oll of . the Allies, and lowering the character of the government of his own country.. Whea lie was charged is ith his mission to France, whatever danger mighebe ap prehended from the negoeiations, he felt it a ditty that all conditions should he lama fide inaintaiated. The negociat its ranceproteeded on t he piaci pies of the Declaration at Frankfort.; and it was. an object to slew, that if there was bad faith, the relit would lie with Ftance. It Lk:French now submitted to Butmaparte, it was not front theirown general de sire, but front t he desireaud power or the soldiery. It by no means followed that the Allies were to treat with hint now, auerely because they. heti treated with before his act of abdication. A Treaty might have been concl u ded with hint between Chatillon aud Paris ; bat lie withdrew his own proposition within three tlays, on the event of the very first slight success tihich he experienced. The Allies made no proposition more favourable than the Treuty of gaits. tt was said thot Bitotet parte attired more favourable terms, which were refused. That was not the case. Though his , Minister proposed such. terms, he withdrew then,. 'hatever terms had been. swede, we .could not arrive saintitted Uuonaparte's Ambassador at the Congress as to the settlement of. Europe. A great advantage was gained by. France, under the change of *Government, in the safety of admitting her Minister to Congress.• The Allies did make ht. crifices for a general Peace. 'W.bether in adversity or in prosperity,.Buoumparte never uegleeted airy step to gratify his views erambitino ; uo step was lett by hint to seek after something nupossessed,llo-: thing with him was ever fixed except a ettotitlint 111 , . tempt at aggrandisement. Uuless his very lettere was changed, the same thingieumst happen ;'he would only change his means, ht order tterecover what lie -had lost, Bat Bitonaperto's character was peculiar to himself, mud he ,knew circum. stances of his conduct . marked by systematic bad faith, and of which - the hard suificieut evidence : he hod an intercepted instruction from.. Booms parte to his Minister, which was to have been de. stroyed.in certain cases, which fruits accident it was not so done ; it disclosed a system of perfidy unparalleled in the transactions; of the civilized World. It was dated Mardi the 19th, when the discussions were 'nut closed,: aud when he was undertaking a hazardous military operation. and which might he fatel to him, when he moved film AreiessnrsAube. "littonaparte thought his success problematical, anti. gave new in structions in favour of concessions. The instrue , tines were in the form of a secret letter, signed by the Duke of Bassano, addressed fo Cartlitieourt. There had been many instances of breaches of tie ,oc e• iations, but generally some defenve wee set up for thent „with respect . to. instru ct i ons . The. Minister of Buonsparte Was desired to conclude a treaty, but to keep hack certain parts as -long as he . cou ee t h e execution of-them being to be delayed, . notwithstanding any ratifications, so that an um fah; advantage might be afterwards taken of them. This was AI circumstance contrary to 1111 caper rienee in 'such „loaners. There was expressed a deliberate intention to ratify -mid subs,etptently to refese compliance -with the Treaty : and what were those points on which this bad (aiiie was to tarn Why, they were what Buintanarte called the Once great keys of the French ympire ; and which safficiently shewed what. hls,ohjects were. The first ortliese keys %yes Ant wet p, which might be called the key of Englaud ; the second key, w as Mentz, which . was in fact the key of Ger many.; and the third key. which Was to. be kept back even after ratification, was Alexandria, which was in - fact not the key of France, but the key of hall. What better proofs could be given of the nature of the mttn ? It - was clear he would break the Treaty as soon us suited him. Was it, then, unimportant whether this man was replaced in power or In power, he would probably soon' pour a military deluge over the world. Dis claineing the notion of making war against an in dividual, yet there might he as much on the point of character as- in the case of a disputed territory or a dispated - successism. Might not the Powers of Europe protest against the- rower of an indi vidual, whose character would nut apply to any of ' the moral or social relations of life ?,'!'his feature was more than what was necessarily adequate to a defence of it common inteest in a common war, The Allies did not proceed to any impracticable or wild notion ; and if they stood fairly by each other, this country would have no cause to cow- Thry were united to support the arrange ments which had been trained by the Treaty of Peace, of which nuonitparte's was a part. The Hon. Menther's object seemed to he to find fault with Ministers. He tailored the Haase 1 0 c on s ider what might be the effects of an Address, such as had been proposed. Those who had concluded the peace must be quite as sincere ly disposed to preserve it us the Hon. Member. By passing such an Address, France could only be deluded into the notion of an impression an the people of England different tram that of the Con thient. With respect to the pecuniary support of Our Allies, a distinct proposition at no very dis taut day would be submitted on that sobject, which would not he tomtit such as give an amble facility to war through our means.. Ile trusted he - shtitild soon satisfy the Home,' that the proposition was atitdiuusiv calculated not to produce-those effects which some might apprehend. Great Britain would not give assistattee to favota- the motives of, war, but %s oak! act so as to leave the 4ttbiert to the proper feeling of the danger and necessity, by the other nations of the Continent. Lord ALTHORHE argued in support' of the mos tion. He doubted instep whether it was practical .to destroy the power sot Buonaparte; for he thought Buonanarfe might very easily. .conyinee the French people 'that the Treaty which had' been entered into against him, had for its object not only to force him from the Throne, but to restore the Bourbons. The mer=e ascendancy of Pluomiparte wastrot, in his opinion - , , 5,0 great a mischief as the military kyttetzt in France, which . seemed to be so moth dreaded ; ants what, he would ask, - was so likely to encourage and strengthen that military system, as keeping France in a state of war ? Mr. POSISONSV complained of the Noble Lord's conduct on the voting of the address, when i.e knew two days before that the treaty had been signed at Vienna, and yet spoke of peace or. war as undecided. That was not a fair parliamentary proceeding. Why had he done so, except to swell a parliamentary nmjority ? To-night, how ever, be spoke openly and diqinctly, and declared the opinions of the Allies that the war must he for the destruction of the power of Buonaparte. i lid power had been stated in another place as something to be got rid of at any rate. We were, therefore, ‘vittiont any endeavour to re serve peace, tz go co War for that object. This appeared one of the rasher of enterprises, and an- A ct u t k en in &tn unwise tifoile. 'flie most effectual Ivay would be to try at the preservation of peace, and, if dear Were impractic a ble, to justify our ,selves to .France, and t o all Enrope. The mode ,of toe Noble Liciurs• proe,•eiling with the• House was objectionable and unfair: Mr. 14,'LL-T.oi.T, in a short speech, opposed the motion. Sir J. Nr.wroxr, slt some. length, agreed in sup port of it. • - Mr. NV ILBRIIVORCR tieClate4 that he saw so many difficulties anti dangers 'on each side of the ques tion, that lie never found himself so much at a loss to make op his opinion. lie telt the full ad ! . vantage of acting in co-operation with the great. uniss or strength tri which we were allied, and tic •felt the' dangvi. t,f a systeM -which would place a great military leader on the throne of France. At the sante lithe, the -Mug experience .he had had of the micertaitl y - of the results of war, made him apprehend that the prospects which now appeared so prottlising might be overcast. Alter all that had been suppOsed to have been achieved by the allied fOrees, We now t'onnvl that all the work was to be dune over agaitt.. He certainly did not place mulch -faith in what was said about the alteration in the pvinciptes of Buonaparte : he believed there was still in his mind a fund of mischief unexhausted, ' and which was capable of producing the greatest ealamitieS. He-thought that any peace with Bun naVarte would be only a peace in name: He fie. , vertheless felt serious apprehenlions when be con,- .sidered the uncertainty of all wars. As to the particidarapiestion, he 51311110Sed thAt his Honour able.Briend (Mr :Whitbread) would not be anxious to press it. Ha had probably brought the motion forward Merely' to give the House un opportunity of delivering Omit sentiments on the Heneral toes.; Lion of Peace or War. Mr. TtkallittY said, that if it was a proof of Wil• domin balance the diffieulties on all sides, with out coming to any ennelnionT, the Gentle man-who spoke last had gi veil abundant proof of that wisdom. It trertainly would be of great ad vantage to any Gentleman Who came hate into the House, to have heard the Hon. Gentleman stating the•argionents both for and against tbe tion. He regretted to say, that-in all , the expe rience lie hatitil the parliamentary eondnat at that Hon. Gentleman, the leaning of his nuind-appear. •ell • always to inclitte to the Opposition, but his vate was afterwards given .t.t) the Government,— (A laugh.) As to our right of going to war with • rinoneparte, that was a question Which he should not now enter into ; belt itS 10' its exi edie icy, he must trouble the House. -with p few asere l tions. - He must, however,, confess, in 'the first place, that the brf.ach of the Treaty of Fontainbleau appeared to him to be, by no means, the greatest of his offences. He had been driven from his throne by bayonets at his throat, and it was re , y natural ft kr him to wish to get ,back again. He was sure the Hon;Gentlet»en at the other side of the House must confess that if they were removed from power and from office, it would be very - natural for them to wish to get hack again. (A' laugh.)— He was not convinced that France was at present a military Government, nor did he know that it Was by the military - alone that be hail been .brought back. to power. He admitted that there might be some danger in peace from th.e ek racrer of Buonaparte, but as he thought there was equal danger in war, he should rather fry the chances of peace than the ckatwes of war. it was well known. that: our Allies ivere perfectly exhausted in their finances, end that we were so murb reduced as not to be Ole to go on long at a war expendi ture. If; then; the war should prove tlYl3llCeelli. ful, after we had exhausted onr resources, he could not see what was to save 'the country from absolute' ruin. When the Bourbons were On the thrOne of France, the Chancellor of the Exche quer proposed a peace establishment of nut lesS than 19 millions. Now, it did appear to hitn worth trying, whether such a peace might tincbc Made with Buonaparte, as would not require so large an establishment. France might, perhaps, be induced to diminish tier armies, and enable other Powerr-t o do the same. He entreated the House to 'consider that this might, perhaps, be their very last opportunity of expressing their Opinions on this great . question, anti of avert ing the calamities with which this country was threatened. • Mr, Rost sem; believed that those who in France had once been the strongest advocates for liberty, had afterward& been the basest sycophants to %to naparte. He did not attach Mud) value to the support 'theynow gave, as he supposed they would be again 'ready t9.chauge, if circumstances cluing ed. it had been asked, why we should not now be content With the peace of Paris? This peace of Paris bud only been. concluded on the supposition that. 13tionaparte had for ever abdicated his plc. ! tensions to the Throne of France. There un doubtedly was much uncertainty in the results of any war i hut if this arguntent was now relied on, it might as well he urged on- the occasion of any , other war. It t hi s argumen t was to he con clusive, ' the country intrA never make any "efrorts at all.— 11. we - were to have b ee n terr ifi e d by the uncer tainty of the result, we should not have defen t lM Portug a l, su pp or t e d t h e cause o f the Spaniards, or assisted in the successful campaign of last year. it • was true th a t many .coalitious had failed ;. but all had not failed, as was proved in tht last_yeare-- The present coalition had at leastas'inoch chance of success now as it had then.. Between forty add fifty fortresses, thou garrisoned by French troops; were now in the' possession of. the Allies. This circumstance would_ give the Allies a very eim siderable advantage nosy, which theo they did, not possess. He saw no reason fur despairing of suc cess. . Air. PutsdaPs supported .tite , MOCICHT,IHtt RMiiiSt such a elainour for toe question, there was no dis• tingnishing a word he said. Mr. IV..l'uLa 'wished to „acquaint . the House with a single fact. He happened to be with the Duke of Wellingto,n when he received the English papers containing the speech of the Hon. Gentle_. man who brought forward this motion, in which he expressed his opinion that the Declaration of the 13th March, *hick was signed by the Duke of Wellington, was an invitation or excitement to the assassination of litionapatte ; and he never saw Any person so much surprised and• shocked at the idea that such a construction could be put upon it. His Grace declared -be could nt4t have supposed such a sentiment would - have entered into the mind of any. human being of tire present day, and he was mock more surplised it could have emanated from the mind of a British senator. . Mr. QUIN said, the Allies would have to- con• tend. against an active army and a pasSive people, headed by a tuun of very superior talents ; att enemy to this country front envy of our free con+ stitutlon, and of our commercial greatness. The struggle might 'be arduous, and the event hazar• dons, yet he deprecated the idea nf our abandon. mein of the policy of our Mr. GORDtibteinti Mr, Cokit supported the inn ; Sir F. FLoob opposed it. Mr. WHITBaBAU bigan Iris reply with -express ing his entire satisfaction, that the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. W. Pole) had mentioned the con versation Of the Duke ot Wellington on his old nion of the Declaration of the 13th of March, which was signed by his illustrious relative; yet, notwithstanding the surprise expressed by 'that Noble•Dnke, he (Mr W.) still remained of the same opinion respecting the meaning Of the De.. duration, and notwithstanding the disclaimer of the Noble Duke, it was on tenon) for the world to judge of. He then continued to reply at great length ; and on his conclusion, a division took place Ayes, 74 ; Noes, M.—Majority, 2el. The Committee on the Property-tax was post. polled to Monthiy.—Adjoornetl. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. M AR LB ORO 13 Q 11-STREET. Mr. ifi(torti, the enrrespoude fit between Lady referral, the Princess of Wale*, and the Newspapers, was committed to take his trial for a must violent assault on his wife, and for breaking from the custody of the officers. A Mr. rgattr appeared to the siituinotifi of Colonel West, Governor of Langford Castle, for a violent assault. lt ap* peered that-Lieutvuatit.Lo' histel West, of the G0at , 4.1, thr Sun of the plaintiff', ordered a number of n-lamrit (whys from Visters N s 'e ss:llllfiG lives in ]tend- trout, anti ►►uo p►ir of tl►rsl) criers eruct li t repratestlyupplied. at Colonel West's, and gays! _ toy to deal of trouble; arid %icit he was regitestea quit the " ' ll i' be wave t h e - rea t., hod bait for his orehead, am, can away, ,-,e u violent blow U.S the a ul p i t i e , o 4 r iz o e7 tu g f ro o ta s ,: :::4 l l :l;:o r r l i e s .. i: ou refusing to lecrday the Dr i v , r of the Hackney-coach, N o . 81 0 was coniz rar tcti 1 4 1 t a b g e gcs fur y l 4 i t i cd ,riV: of abuse f 3 L or one iuontle i i mp -h on . mtt t ow a r d "wy Lit hitt.