The Sun. — London, England, 1855-02-27 00:00:00

AI (177 - - 14_24 ,:t KET COA2 ME &Nu RCI A L 1 - 10 1 PLL i GEN ( E. There was -CITY, TWO o'CLOCK , Yesterd ay as a quiet co tt on mar k e t a t Li ver p oo l and prices ru l e d h eav y. Th e sa l es I tt 'aulltd Er ex Port).o t 6 ,000 balesf which 500 were taken (o gYPti an 2 °reprising 120 Bahia at 51d., 400 k id 2o 8 at 5 8d. to 9c1., 500 Surat at 3d. to aid., ~ iol tay s har @ e a s l w sland s. at ls. to . ls, 61 2 d .. per lb. Rail • Wer, ere Fiat, and in most instances rather The% conet l l . l . ) ,lic sal es o f i nd i go have been b rought to teca ite ' l ° ll , and th e biddi ngs towar d s th e en d at 0— I , :n° re animated. B ro k en so f t B enga l wen t kl _ ete er rates to essre que t 3 d. advance. Fine sorts were . 14 us ual. ~8 , and new parcels had the preference gf gor,A quality brow declined 2d. to 3d. and Kurpahs 4,311`;`.1,,,_a1ity brought about the ' former prices. of ii , l °, 000 chests were sold at and after the sale, k,e,1"::,..,0_4(,.,500 were for export, 2,000 for home lal eear 7,, 2,200 bought in. The colonial wool , The :,„ePregressing steadily. 1 4 E11 , 1 ' et that would be produced in Russia by Ackilov"re stopparre of its trade with England, it is ko at 'edged b; all imp trtial persons would be the y' and it is greatly to be desired, i i ge go es i i A l ° l v Mr. Cardwell is out of office, that ak t , en should again be brought before Par , Ith eu ", Messrs. Smith and Charles state that thetr„_",vvas telegraphed to St. Potersburgh that jaikili c *-L et e_ would be more stringently dealt with, a en mid the exchange fell to 35i 4, sales otti er i, ' , l e being rendered impossible. Had the ttoted7 the proved as imperative as was ex ‘'lrer. wle exchange would have sunk much tituelltneatttel l igence from New York agai n re p resen t s fleet for for f ancy secur i t i es as b eing unsettled i eadst uft . 4ti ng- Money continued generally easy. Fled 4s were held at advanced rates, and cotton quiet, )44:114.11ts from Mexico allege that 2,000 of Santa i Ili I:2 ° PS bad deserted to General Alvarez. . t .lt ae.e..,, eiz,,_Lers from Buenos Ayres hold out hopes of trorit,74°g restored between the capital and the ,la re ', 6Bll l . which latter all was quiet. N I ter n , k i ,.. r e .,., g to the popular feeling in Canada il l lt 0f 1 .. ,t0 the war, as well as to - the settle , Ming emigrants who arrive out, a k 'dug from Quebec states as follows 1 14 est f . . • W 0 the immigrants find their way to e tilli g . e ,'„ t • The policy of our Government in .1 7 1 04, 3 " ,, u_d lands to actual settlers at a mere moral ,:ith,,,g4oves very attractive ; and, in a country 72ott e , i 4 s surveyed but two or three years since, it N111: 1- 3 11t eimpossible to obtain a single acre, so , N b een the settlement. But few immigrants , Zit), o P Lower Canada, except in the vi ,lo)ll'l...Public works, where they can obtain %tuis, nt as labourers. The system of land t Nte.eertberto prevailing in Lower Canada, has 14 4, 4 .4 rOu n 4 's settlement. car, 4 g Canada has become fired with a military ,ireofe.ld. volunteering for the Crimea is the one I:htforXlversation. Mr. Rankin, member of Parli itti P,l o 7o o unty of Essex, tendered his services to Oro vi ,j e before that nobleman's departure from Cth e a ",;., to raise and equip a thousand men to V n tor 4 ,„l"ed armies in the East, himself to take z.otr er -nd of them. The ex-Governor is to lay i7ehia°!tore her Majesty, and the gallant M.P. 4,:ochdovereign's orders. He would not find . rili!"4eulty in fulfilling his engagement. So t i , Nt ke l il g ,, a _PPears the interest in the present war, hr . a . , the will talk of little else. One of our city ti c 94 t i to ,,,Quebec Mercury, hitherto regarded as a ih i th e ~„.lloYalty and patriotism, ventured to ques ftii, k vt .. c llriety of volunteering for the Crimea ; 104 0 41 11 f ee T_ article not very remarkable for tok,OPere so hinted that our ardent youths k' li a . vp ° desirous of courting privations tit i',, their hearts' desire fulfilled by 1 0 ,, Eli 04 ','„, Winter in some of the lumber tikeN p wle Ottawa. The indignation of our 'or - ,t s ttk i t' l ation knew no bounds, and notes from 'or,ler .l , o 3 cribers ordering the discontinuance of k .titi,loi ete n ted in upon the bewildered proprie -11(4,70 of the was the feeling, that in the very ~,"KeZitel ii! lejournal the proprietor had to dis 'ciel73:7l; t e Vtients of his own editor, and humbly Th the appearance of the offending i), ° Amer , L -c. / 4 , e ti ster ti ,i l br il ' l l papers profess to furnish dates of : 1 41) 04 4 4 th e 'kUstralia, being two or three days tlti th s 4 Ile s e received here, but they furnish no r the erp„ w , s • At Sydney was very dull, 14 th 44 cos th `" of gold showed a great decline last N.: tnaif s 4 red with 1852. The Panama route T he kM ella t Zas strongly advocated by the Mel t•tnglisi,7 f ,°Commerce. has not i n Stock Market has been flat again, °lit e w i n : °o sequence of speculative traisac ' ; t o tat 91 . to :'l° a few money sales. Consols 91. ,8) but have since been down at 1 Th e '°r Account th e y h ave b een 91 kA i krrobadvises f rom th e C r i mea represent a kt 1 4 . 7 as bei ng d ec id e dl y i n b etter h ea l th, V a ,l oSt respects the future p ros p ec t i s p eering there, but at home we ha ve 10 Ctll, Jilgt now in more demand, and mer- Nnufideuce weak, with more failures an tfi:4ll%4l:ld we have also the certainty of large 1t, 4 4 ' ll ig to be borrowed by our Government. 4 %1 4(4 e1t ;Per Cents. have been 91i to i and the 1 4 - 41'to 2 1 to 3. Bank Stock has varied from .1 4e 1 ,1. Exchequer Bills are 63. to 93. and % ° Nan "la to 1 9 premium. lt!cl.Nl, _%• .. s. V a tt‘il et ~1 1r ities have been firm generally, B 4 q tl l ‘ o 'tittli7eXican Bonds have realised 204, u rklsh 1 7 1 40. Portuguese 4 per Cents. have v lltch 2 ,- 0 01 1 4 ; •Sarclinian Stock is worth 854. '__•i Per have been done at 75i and 76. "'lts. are 61k, and the 4 per Cents. T h e foll el t ovNL ti ti ; 1 : - ---0, u ° eti g are the nominal prices of foreign kitt' e ' to 2 1 ,ada Deferred Bonds, 5 to 6 ; Alexi i• t e 11 ,t 4 .,5 0 1 Peruvian, 71 to 72; ditto Three i rate i, 3 ; ti li bu , s oi; Portuguese Four per Cents., tNi 4 h clur. a j l an Five per Cents., 98 to 100 ; rr Nse b ,. -,.;a-1 -- lalf er Cents., 87 to 89 ; tO l ltti " -ueferred 17 to 18 ; ditto Three N la.g . ' 36 t ' liZli Aiv e ° 3 61 ; ditto Certificates, 41-- to 5; bill • , 1 to 4 )11 4 14 qth J' k jot r ge o f ~e Lcindo Railway Company, under 14 , 111,, Sir Herbert Maddock the Hon. J. b li t e liee. o . 4 ta ct i i ng, and Mr. Pinney:has just been L to b e t ime in the House of Commons, and ig.t, 4 4 ettl e „,.. e ° o llnitted. elk 44 tEi , r ` l ent of the account in the Share Mar- N,, 4 pp ea k" !ees to rule lower, the speculation for `qll." l lri . r ing to have been rather in the ascen -11 il g t he fortnight. Foreign shares are very La 0 ' k k4 ti tt, I:4 (l t i t al .a l . ld Foreign Mines have been ne- NLyk 4,s,.ritish Iron are better. The Banks ‘ l4l tre o i llere is no change of importance in killzi tri Panies' shares. h• ..._._________________ -• FM,. L ''' IS THIS DAT.—CLOSING PRICES. i l k il (Prom the Ofiici ad List. , IN t oo t Business done tt '11t.1i............ 215 13 1\ i Ilt o e ' i need A n -t• • 0 „.. , nui IBS t 4r , ~e To i. Annuities 9l A 9.4 1 lki'FAl ti e , ~„• Annuities h . et) y ear , r4pire sth Jan., 180 .., 4 5-16 1 ' 1 14,7 1 4(1 4 ,at Expire sth Jan.,1860 4i t No t tec i A : lot io 11 ty. A q £looo''''' • -....c e 12 ti e , ?ut Bth larch 9ll !‘ i , tin s A , wip b ld. li kv ". ... . ....... . . ................ „ 4 4 4 '.. ............................... - u 4.,...... ................ . 4 i lle PlZlan. .. . pro n 1 gi , e 3 kit c , ll 43 ---‘',,, 3i per Cent. -- kto 1859, „ Na Pe P FOREIGN FUNDS THIS DA''. t )3, l " tt C ent. Ni: th e ill 4 per Cent. ko ilkt4: lit a t own ee2unt 72J ' Pe r 6', 5 per Cent., Con. 1811 A 1 ,,,,.gut Ib bi 4' 0 44') 6 Per Cent. Bst 4i 1 1,4180,a; 3 Per Cent 364 4 i le . 6 Per eent k l / 41 tli v , ' cent., .. lig le ndß , . .... 75i 6 51 874 , t,,_ 44 A , n the above payable in London. ''llaz i .:o Per Cent, ex. 25 fr 924 iL - '''' 2 i per Cent. 12 Gail 6l THREE O'CLOCK. 0 t°' L eh Account Doverl444---------------111 I , n,„_ 1 11,N; ar,„rent have resolved to advise her Majesty iti:4t,oo;l4o.4ll,4efiefikoniratilin appointing a day of humiliation Vtl ' r the ' . • • purpose of imploring the protection h h ,tilt et YleiZ in the House of Lords, caused by the N o lt of e. 'Viscount Lorton, has been filled up by Vtb. 4 i ve Ille Earl of Portarlington to be the new it t lit k ittiv Peer for Ireland. 1 1:N.R. ° F I, All ° l l OF T CITY OF LONDON. —The I,,tN o °4 do .115 .. Ldt th,,,elock last night, for the election of a repre- N k 4 11 s" "tY, to fill up the vacancy caused by ll t tek'tt f " s ell's acceptance of office. Saturday has tl , ti. I: * the t c tu s qe poll, n omination, and, should there be a ki f :teki' s s tk r ,, I mg will take place on Monday. There 4 ,o th _li of est night of an intended opposition to the Vili t ''n r t qt. (' John, but we believe they were no 06 7 t1 411 i nours, 4 ) 44 4:k 1 1 3 . ) : 4 1 4 8 4 : 4 2 . _1 4 iLwAY.—A, letter from New York 14 * 5 11 ,„Peti d. ''',.:,e Panama Railway is at last to be p t w il - t o be The passengers by the steamer of the i t h tk ,t ti s i ,Nv ent l) a rlied by rail across the Isthmus, but itl ti kia la tlar l the steamer of yesterday will be pre- Iti l ' l tp , a ,?„an d A ja r Gf the two oceans. Panama on Liik fr 'si ti tbree Pi h nwall on the Atlantic are now t-k b hy ~, n ew ours of each other, and the whole 131?.., 1 14 .eatu York to San Francisco may be Iti . ki i i, ~ , ,Na b e e his enterprise is emphatically Ame t , d, i ti,n a . lmost entirely built by New York , —3' Judgment, must become very pro , THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 27, 1855. LNIPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY.) CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR, in rising to move the second reading of the above bill, said it was well known to their lordships that, during the last two or three years, the subject of the trial of offenders for petty offences had very much attracted public attention. It was felt that, during assizes and sessions, cases of persons charged with petty larcenies had much increased, and caused very unnecessary expense. He should put that part of the question aside ; but he thought persons brought to as sizes or sessions for petty larcenies of articles worth one shilling or two shillings created an effect on the public mind which was very injurious. Such cases excited a feeling that they ought not to be brought before such tribunals, ani.: that it was infinitely better if they had been disposed of a summary way. How to meet that objection there seemed but one obvious way—that such cases should be tried before the justices of the peace sit ting in petty- sessions. The only question, then, would be as to the nature of the offences. What he proposed in this bill was, that magistrates in petty sessions should take cognisancQ of all simple larcenies, for it was absurd to say that those justices who could take cognisance of a case of dog stealing could not take cognisance of a case of stealing a duck. Then, with regard to the power of punishment, he did not think it a very expedient matter to limit the power of justices. He did not think that very slight punishments tended either to reform crimi nals or to lessen crime. (Hear, hear.) He thought, therefore, magistrates should have the power of award ing one year's imprisonment. There was another provi sion of a different character. It was proposed last ses sion by a learned friend of his now no more—Mr. Ag honhy—that where persons were charged with offences before magistrates, they might plead guilty, and the jus tices in that case might sentence them or transmit the record of the plea to the assizes. He (the Lord Chan- cellor) had originally prepared the bill in that sense, but on considtratien he thought that might be productive of evil. He (lid not, therefore, mean to adopt that pro vision further than that, when a party shall be brought before a justice, and shall plead guilty, the justice may dispose of the case if the larceny be not above the value of 20s. The noble lord then moved the second reading of the bill. Lord BROUGHAM would not apologise for making a few observations which he wished to state to the house on a subject of so great importance. He would impress upon their lordships' minds the great necessity for passing some such measure as that now before the house grounded upon the same principle as that in this bill. The state of the administration of the criminal law of this country was most deplorable. It had been described by many, but by none better than by his noble and learned friend the Chief Justice (Lord Campbell), who had added . . . „ to it by the weight of his great authority. From the returns laid before Parliament—which plainly show the absolute, necessity of the Legislature providing a more summary system of punishmeat in cases of criminal justice--he would merely refer to those for six counties, viz. Somerset, Sussex ' Berks, Hants, Wilts, and Dor set, which comprised a population of 1,800,000, or 1-10th of the people of England and Wales. From these counties, the returns of the details of the trials and punishments, and the number of persons tried at the quarter sessions, showed that, out of 1,500 prisoners tried, 895, or nearly three-fifths of the whole number, were for larceny under the amount of ss. For larceny under the amount of ls. 400 were tried, or nearly one quarter of the whole ; and 243 prisoners were tried for stealing property under the value of sixpence. Upon this calculation, taking the whole population of this country, he found that 12,000 cases were tried yearly in England and Wales, where the value of the property did not amount to ss. These were cases of mere simple larceny. The consequence of the present system was, as his noble and learned friend, the Chief Justice, had described, injurious to the due administration of justice, and to all those who had to assist in adjudicating upon such cases, to grand and petty jurors. The prac tical grievance was very great—the expenses of all parties concerned—the' expenses to the counties—the expenses of the witnesses—and the expenses of the jurors, both grand and petty, were enormous. But all these evils he considered, although of great importance, were not so great as those inflicted upon the prisoners themselves. The prisoners in many cases were detained days and weeks in prison, and when they came to be tried were probably acquitted ; but, if convicted, it be came almost impossible to award a proper amount of punishment, because all of them had undergone--though secretly and unknown—a certain amount of punish ment, and which in many cases was greater than was due to them in proportion to the crime committed. The public noticed that for a certain offence the prisoner had been dismissed with one day's imprisonment, because, perhaps, the presiding judge found he had previously undergone 30 or 40 days, but that the public did not know. It happened to his noble and learned friend the Chief Justice, at the Lent assizes last year for Bucking hamshire, to have to try 15 prisoners, all of whom had been committed to prison fortwo months, and the average value of the property stolen was only 10(1. or 12s. 6d. in the whole.. The course which his noble and learned friend pursued was, and it was the only one open to him, that he awarded each prisoner one day's imprisonment. He (Lord Brougham) could not help feeling, with his nobleand learned friend, that the magistrates of that county were to blame for not having an adjourned sessions sometime during those two months. Each prisoner had been, in con sequence of that omission, in prison nearly GO days—in seine cases a great deal too long for the crime which he had committed. It vas now perfectly evident that some course must be taken for giving a speedy and summary trial in these cases. Ho thought it would be an ines timable benefit to the magistrates if they were allovied the power— he would not force it upon them—in case they desired to have it, of obtaining professional aid, in the same way as in Ireland, where assistant barristers were chosen by the magistracy as chairmen of quarter sessions. But if all chairmen of quarter sessions were like his noble friend near him (the Marquis of Salisbury) such a proposal would be superfluous. He regretted that the bill introduced into the other house by Sir J. Pakiugton in the year 1860 was lost. Had it passed a , great improvement would have taken place in the admi nistration of the criminal law of the country. He (Lard Broug,liatn) knew of instances of sentences at sessions which had surprised him. In the year 1849, in a county he would not mention, three men were tried, their ages bordering on 70. One was sentenced to six weeks' im prisonment with hard labour for stealing to the amount of one penny ; another was awarded four weeks and hard labour for stealing to the value of one halfpenny ; and the third had four weeks with hard labour for stealing to the amount of one farthing. In these cases he had no reason to believe that there were any aggravating cir cumstances. In another county a man was sentenced, at 70 years of age, for stealing to the amount of 3d., 12 months' imprisonment with hard labour ; but he took it for granted that there must have been some aggravating facts. He would give these particulars to his noble and learned friend upon the woolsack, in order that he alight inquire into the facts, and no doubt a satisfactory inquiry and result would be obtained. All these cases greatly encouraged the hope that, if they wished it, an option would be given to magistrates to call in the aid of professional assistance to preside at quarter ses sions. He did not believe that any man tried in a court presided over by an experienced lawyer, in criminal jurisprudence, would be sentenced to four weeks' im prisonment and hard labour for stealing to the extent of one farthing. He (Lord Brougham) said that by his bill the jurisdiction was only given to magistrates in petty session, and to stipendiary and police magistrates; but his noble and learned friend's bill included those who, though sitting alone, should be professional men. With all possible respect to the magistrates of the City, he should object to extend the jurisdiction to them. Another case was that of a poor woman in receipt of 355. a-week from an annuity, which was to be stopped in case she anticipated it. The noble lords who were the trustees were obliged to stop it ; and the story was told before those magistrates as though the two noble men had, of their own caprice, or worse feeling, kept it back ; and thus two of the most honourable names that adorn the peerage or society were slandered. If that had happened in any case where the magistrate was re movable he would not have had a second opportunity of doing the same injury ; he would have been removed immediately. The Government of which he was a mem ber took that into their consideration. The removable magistrates were to take the same course—they heard the story, and then informed the parties that they had no jurisdiction. But hearing it and having it re ported was the great grievance that required to be remedied. Lord Melbourne, then at the head of the Home-office, summoned them before him, and in ormed them that the thing must not be done again, and it was not repeated. The same thing could not be done with the aldermen ; they were corporation jus tices, and irremovable. He thought that this power ought to be given by the bill to two or more justices in petty sessions, assembled at the usual place where ses sions were wont to be held ; and he had no indisposition whatever to give the same power to any one of the sti pendiary magistrates. Since bringing in his own bill be had had frequent communications on the subject from magistrates, professional men, and the Society of Jus tices' Clerks. Lord CAMPBELL said it gave bins sincere satisfac tion to anticipate the pleasure which it would give to grand juries and magistrates whom he might address on the circuit to hear that such a measure was before their lordships with every prospect of success. Their lordships could hardly imagine the anxiety of the public in the provinces for that improvement. That poor wretch who came before him on circuit for stealing an old shoe, value one penny, might have been three months in prison pre viously. But it might be said, why not hold quarter sessions more frequently, so as to lesson the evil 8 Their answer to him publicly was, that they were not bound to hold quarterly sessions more frequently ; but pri vately, they said they refrained from doing so with a view of the evil becoming so exaggerated as to cure itself. Things were not so conducted in Scotland. There, the sheriff in every county and his deputy were always en gaged in trying all cases within a few days of their oc currence. There was a distinction in the law of the land at present which was a disgrace to it. As the law stood now, you might go and cut dawn a load of wheat on a field, and that was but trespass ; but the removal of a strip brought the person within the criminal law. The NOBLE LORD rose again in answer to a ques tion by Lord ST. LEONARDS, and said, as we understood him, that he would not give the magistrates the power of forfeiture against these parties. At the same time, justice was now administered most purely by unpaid magistrates. Formerly the squire used to sit in his hall and his clerk was his gamekeeper, and poachers used to be convicted there. Now they met in curia. Lord ST. LEONARDSregretted the noble lord's in ... tended absence when the bill would bo in committee. He was alarmed at the great extent of punishment put in the power of these magistrates, who could sentence those that had pleaded guilty to two years' hard labour, 00i1 • sidering that they were convicted without a jury, he doubted whether they ought to pa=s it to that extent. He did not know whether the eases adduced by his noble and learned friend from quarter sessions were quite ap plicable ; for, if they could not trust the justices assem bled in quarter sessions, he did not see how they could trust the same persons when fewer in number. But it did show how careful they ought to be in looking into the provisions of the bill. Earl DESART thought, from his own experience, that the bill would be advantageous to Ireland, and hoped that it would be extended to that country. The LORD CHANCELLOR replied. The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow (this day). The Purchasers Protection against Judgments Bill was read a third time and passed. Their lordships adjourned at 25 minutes to seven o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS—YESTERDAY. THE CONDUCT OF THE WAR. (Continued from our third edition of yesterday.) Mr. F. PEEL did not know that he could add anything to the information he had already given on the subject of the formation of a land-transport corps. Hitherto the land• transport service hail been undertaken by the Commis sariat ; but as it was found to interfere with the satisfac tory discharge of the proper duties of that department, it had been determined to organise a distinct corps under the direction of Colonel W3lurdoeb, whose duty it should be to undertake the luid transport. It was estimated that ultimately this corps would number 8,000 men, but at first of course it would not be so strong. He believed that it was proposed to divide the corps into divisions correspond ing and attached to those of the army—(hear)—and Col. M'Alnrdoch had intimated that he should require one na tive driver for every three animals, and one European for every three native drivers, making three natives and one European driver for every ten animals. It was intended that this transport corps should form a permanent branch of the army, and it would no doubt, in course of time, un dergo many improvements. Hitherto the persons whehad been responsible for the clothing of the troops had been the colonels of regiments. They had now, however, ceased to have any interest in the matter, and henceforward the clothes would be distributed under the direction of the War-office. The extraordinary clothing supplied to the army in the field had been supplied by the Ordnance, under orders from the Secretary for War, and would be included in the estimates for that department. He was not aware that there had been any deficiency in the supply of medicine to the hospital at Balaklava, and in relation to the alleged deficiency in the sup ply of quinine, he might state that Dr. Smith had informed him that since the army left this country, he had forwarded to the general store at Constan tinople, from which all the hospitals are supplied, 650 lbs. of that drug. With reference to the recommendations which had been made by two honourable members, that we should learn from the French a better system of army administration, he might state that there are now sitting in Paris a commission of three officers of the army, an artillery and an engineer officer, which was inquiring into the system adopted in that country. The French Govern ment was affording to these officers every facility for be coming acquainted with their system. Their report might be expected before long, and its recommendation would receive the careful attention of the Government. Mr. E. DENISON said when the army went from this country to the East it was little contemplated that such services would be cast upon it as it had since been called on to perform. Some thought the army would never go beyond Malta, and others believed that an intrenched camp at Constantinople would be all that would be re quired ; but no one then dreamed that au expedition to the Crimea would be undertaken. He was happy to see that a precedent had been set to whichhe would invitethe attention of the house for a moment. He observed that an officer of high character and standing—Sir John Bur goyne—had been—he would not say recalled, but— relieved from the position in which be was placed, and that just encomiums had been passed upon that distin guished officer. He (Mr. E. Denison) hoped that would ' go further. In making that remark he wished it to be understood that he did not indirectly point to the dis tinguished officer in command of the army. That, he thought, was a different question, and the position of that officer must be decided by more important considera tions. He would merely say that just in proportion as the officer in command of the army was advanced in life was it necessary that the officers below him should be in full vigour and efficiency. He contended that it was in the highest degree desirable that generals of divisions and generals of brigade should be men in the full vigour and power of their strength. (Hear.) Colonel DUNNE said ho considered the formation of a transport corps one of the most necessary arrangements connected with an army, but he wanted to know why such a corps was not organised when the army went out on the present expedition ? He believed that the loss of the army was chiefly attributable to the state of the transport de partment of the commissariat, or rather to the Treasury, by which the commissariat was directed. If the transport department was not at once made perfect, it would bo wholly useless to the army. He believed that the general officers had not the means of carrying on the war with proper effect. He believed Sir John Burgoyne to be as efficient an officer as any that had been, or could be, sent to succeed him, and that the country would not gain any thing by sending out General Josses to relieve him. He contended that the great fault of the expedition was its being undertaken without proper means. One, among other things, he should like to know, and that was, how many of the officers of the staff had been edu cated at the Military College of Sandhurst ? He had like wise to complain of the disproportion of the rewards for good service given to the officers of the staff as com pared with those given to the officers of tho line. He thought the staff was sufficiently desirable in itself, and brought officers sufficiently into notice, without giving them additional opportunities of advancement over the offi cers of the line. There was another point to which he wished to call attention, and that was the subject of bar racks for the militia regiments iu Ireland. At that mo ment they were paying in most towns in Irelrnd for billets for the militiamen, and frequent quarrels arose between the militia and the inhabitants from attempts to enforce these billets ; yet in the very towns in which those dis turbances arose there were buildings which could be hired as barracks, and it a much cheaper cost than the system of billeting. Mr. HARDINGE said he deemed it fair to state, inas much as the Government had been more than once attacked in reference to the military education of the officers of the staff, that at least nine or ten of them had been educated at Sandhurst, and had there received certificates of merit. Mr. J. PHILLIMORE said he wanted to know why it was that the 46th Regiment was without winter clothing in the Crimea ; if any person had been punished in conse quence of the neglect to provide such clothing; and if, in consequence of that neglect, the men of that regiment perished in the most fearful manner? Mr. IVILLIAMS, in answer to the taunts which had been directed out of doors, and in that house, against his hon. friend recently deceased—the member for Montrose—and himself, for reducing our armaments, begged to remind the house that in 1835 the army and navy numbered 145,84 G men, and that in 1852, before there was any sign of a dis pute with Russia, the two services had been increased to 272,000 men, or double the number which the Duke of Wellington when in office (teemed necessary for the de fence of the country. In 1835 the totalnseumasve of nearly otedforthe maintenance of the army an shed to eadllnatvbye watatsenltli,e6n67o,footobl.oabnoduisne 5 1 , 8 0 5 0 2 0 o i t o 0. was H l e 6 , w so i , being an increase to a case of flogging in the army, whichhadrecentlytiatavkeen place at Newcastle - upan - Tyne , on the person of a pr soldier belonging to the 26th Regiment, now stationed there. A paragraph in a Newcastle newspaper stated that the prisoner, after being stripped, was tied up to the triangles by the arms and legs, and the adjutant stood by to count each stroke as it fell from the powerful arm of a drummer, selected for his aptitude for beating slow time. The narrator went on to say he bad expected a bloody scene, bit the reality far exceeded all that he had heard or dreamt of human torture. At the fifth stroke of the lash the flesh of the poor victim rose up in welts as thick as his wrist ; the blood afterwards flowed about the body; and after the fortieth lash had been inflicted, he was untied ; be then staggered a few paces, fell to the e w n a t. s afHterow(ahirdrs. Williams)subjected couldt o ground,l onl a ya n y d ssa, f y a : i o n iifi t te s ad u r c Ya h wcao s y c n e fi n n e ne s me a s those were practised in the army, the Government would have to double itsbounty in order to get men to enter it. Major REED trusted the Government would turn their attention to the reform of the Horse Guards ; and if that reform was accomplished, ho believed the country would not the maintenance object °even of h a la t i•g e er ar d m e y. mand than was now asked for Mr. OTWAY saim there were at least fifty staff appoint ments in the Crimea, and his complaint was that there should be a single one of those officers who had not ob tained a certificate at Sandhurst, seeing that that college was established with the view of educating men for the staff. The noble lord at the head of the Government stated the other night that the calamities of the army were attributable to the inclemency of the weather and the un paralleled difficulty of the service they had to perform. He (Mr. Otway) must take exception I. that statement. He would take the campaign, for instance, in Transylvania in 1848, which was conducted under circumstances very much more difficult than those in the Crimea at present, and in a climate very much more rigorous. It was clear to him that the calamities that had befallen our army were in no wise to be attributed to the climate of the Crimea, nor to the unparalleled difficulties with which they had had to contend, but to the want of foresight of those who had not supplied them with proper MARS fop enabling them to grapple with those difficulties. If our soldiers had been provided with huts, warm clothing, and sufficient food, we should net have had to deplore the calamities which had hefellen them. (Hear.) He saw that two privates belonging to the 99th Regt., named Gibson and Galagher, had been tried the other day for making away with their ammunition in firing at an effigy of the Czar, and that Gibson had been sentenced to 52 days' imprisonment, and Galagher to 162 days. He bad to complain that that was a needlessly severe and an extraordinary punishment for an offence of that kind, committed in these times. Colonel NORTH said it was all very well for the hon. member for Lambeth (Mr. Williams) to read paragraps to the house, cut from local newspapers, relating to instances of flogging in the army ; but he would ask the hon. mem-- ber if he knew of his own knowledge that the case to which he had called attention was true ? (Hear.) Advert- - -• ing to the observations which had fallen from the hon. member a few nights ago, he (Colonel North) had to deny that the Guards now wore uniforms of the colour of brick dust. He (Colonel North) admitted that scarcely any thing could be more truly painful than to see the sentries of the Guards at this moment ; but give those young men time and the advantages of drill, and they would soon emulate the bearing of their gallant brethren in the Cri mea—those splendid specimens of the manhood of England whom we were wont to meet in the streets of this metro polis. (Hear.) Tho hon. member had spoken of tho pri vileges of the Guards in attendance at the Palace. Why, if the hon. member were at the head of a battalion of sweeps on duty there, he would receive his dinner. (A laugh.) The hon. member had displayed an amount of ignorance on the subject upon which ho had spoken which would dis grace the most ignorant lance corporal in the regiment, and he would advise him, before he again addressed the house, to make himself better acquainted with the real facts upon which he was desirous to enlighten the house. Colonel SIBTHORP pretested against men speaking on the subject of the army who did not know the muzzle from the butt end of a musket. (A laugh.) He would not take the hon. member for Lambeth in his awkward squad. (A laugh.) Mr. M. CHAMBERS defended the Guards from the un just charges which had been made against them by th e hon. member for Lambeth, and expressed a regret that a battalion of Guards recently ordered to the East had been countermanded, because, in colsequence of all the able Alen haying been ordered, out in the Ant imett,nce, there was not a sufficient number now to make up a good batta lion. One of the great privileges of the Guards was to be always foremost in peril and danger, and he instanced their arduous servicss and gallant conduct at Hougomort, and at the battle of Waterloo, as evidences of the privileges which the Guards enjoyed in this respect. Mr. NAPIER thought that some explanation should be made to the house with respect to the harsh sentence passed on the two men at Chatham for firing at the effigy of the Emperor •f Russia. Colonel KNOX expressed his opinion that if ever there was an offence of which a man could be guilty in his bar racks, it was that for which those two men had been so pro perly punished. Would the house for a moment sanction that any man in the barracks should be allowed to make away with the ammunition given him for the public ser vice in an indiscriminate fusillade ? He considered that the men had received a most salutary punishment, and he hopod it world have the effect of checking such great irre gularities in future. (Hear, hear.) After a few words front Mr. STUART KNOX, deny ing the accuracy of the statements read by the hon. mem ber for Lambeth from a local newspaper, the house went into committee on the signally exempt from disease. Many of them were very comfortable, all of them were in a state of health and vigour; but the reason was easily explained; they were all men of independent fortune, who could command beasts of burden, and they furnished themselves with all those little requisites that were denied the soldiers. (Hoar.) Another great evil arose from the enormous amount of the work the soldiers had to perform. The British army un dertook to do too much, They undertook to defend an extent of lines which their numbers did not justify them in undertaking. The consequence was, that the soldiers were a long time in the trenches, their strength was totally exhausted, and they became unfit for duty. (Hear.) He had heard instances of good men saying to the sur geons, " We aro quite well, but we are worn out with fa tigue and the want of sleep; if we go on sentry we shall fail asleep, but if you put us on the sick list, after a few hours' rest, we shall return to our duties." He had known of cases where the doctor, knowing the men, had acted in conformity with their request, aid in a few hour' the men, returned to their work. (Hear.) He had heard state ments, likewise, respecting the want of medicine at Bala klava ; and there appeared to be some signal mismanage ment in that as in every other department. A medical man told him, before he left the Crimea, that, late in De cember, he went to procure a considerable quantity of opium, which was a sine qua non in the treatment of the cli-iea.se that had scourged the army. But the quantity of opium in store was so small that he could get it barely in ounces, and on his return to the camp he found himself in the disagreeable position of being obliged to tell the sol diers that, greatly as be regretted their condition, and much as be felt for them, it was impossible for biin to ob tain the medicine which was required for the malady they were labouring under. (Hear, hear.) There was another point connected with this subject to which he hoped the attention of the house would be directed, namely, the state of the transports that were employed in conveying the sick between Balaklava and Scutari. (hear, hear.) He believed that since he left the Crimea things had con siderably improved; but, when he was there, there was great room indeed for improvement. (Hear, hear.) They could hardly picture to themselves anything more wretched than the condition of the poor men who were sent to Scutari from Balaklava. They were sometimes wholly destitute of anything like beds or hedding. (Hear.) He saw 600 sick and wounded men who were brought down from the plateau by their generous allies—the French. (Hear, hear.) It happened to be a wet day, but they were taken as they were on board the transport which was to convey them to Scutari. These men had nothing what ever to protect them bat the great-coats they had on and another blanket, and in that condition they were com pelled to lie devra en the deck. So great, however, was the change from what they had been enduring in the camp, through wet and exposure, and want of proper sustenance, that thoagh they were compelled to take for their bed the hard deck of the transport, they looked upon it as the acme of comfort. (Hear, hear,) That did not last long, for when a sick man has to lie for some time on a hard deck he suffers from it, though for two days he might do it with impunity. There were 300 men on board, and the passage to Scutari was a rather quick one. Bat oa their arrival at the hospital there was no accommodation for the sick, and ten days elapsed before the greater number of them were landed. That was the trying period for the men, and they died off very speedily. They lost during the time that elapsed between the period they left Balaklava and the arrival of the vessel at Scutari 11 per cent. out of the 300; but the greater number of those died during the time the ship was kept at Scutari. (Hear, hear.) The_ French managed these things better. They were not half so tender with the Turks as the British authorities were. (Hear, hear.) When they wanted an hospital they went and took it— whereas the English entered into a long correspondence, which took up such a long time that the whole matter terminated by their losing their chance. He believed the scheme had been already carried out of estab lishing an hospital at Smyrna, but there was another sug gestion made by a man who had had great experience in India, and that was, to send out from this country large wooden buildings for erection at Sinope, which was a short distance from Balaklava. By doing that, they could have their sick and wounded conveyed from Balaklava in a very short time to a comfortable and quiet hospital. In the event of there being any further engagements it was to be expected that there would be a large number of wounded, and those men could be conveyed down to this hospital, and there at once have the necessary operations performed. Hitherto it had been the staff experience of a surgeon that secondary operations had scarcely ever been successful. Those performed on the field were generally successful, but it was impossible to perform anything by a secondary operation, when the patient must be conveyed such a long distance as from Balaklava to Scutari. In the event of this plan being recognised as a sound and good one, which the Government wo u ld carr y ou t, many valuable lives would be saved. Another advantage would arise from the establishment of this wooden hospital. Stone buildings con tracted a deleterious atmosphere, that militated greatly against the recovery of patients. They seemed to be impreg nated with disease, and disease hung abort them. But in a clean wooden beilding that was not the case, and an emi nent physician belonging to the civil department recently organised to go out to Smyrna was so fully cognisant of skis fact that he was endeavouring, by all means in his power, to bring the subject before the Government. He (Mr. Dundee) trusted the Government would take the matter into their consideration, and not think it unworthy of their notice. (Hear, hear.) Mr. MAGITIRE thought the number of soldiers sent out to the Crimea would be fully equal to the duties they had to perform ° • but they were no t care d f or, an d th e same blundering that marked the administration at home had also marked the administration abroad. (Rear, hear.) His belief was that the blundering aid stupidity of the last Government had caused more damage to the British troops than the fiercest valour of their Muscovite foe. (Hear.) He would mention one instance of mismanage ment that had come to his knowledge. A large ship, hav ing 190 bullocks on board, to afford fresh meat to the un fortunate men in the trenches, arrived at Balaklava. The captain wanted to get into Balaklava, but some stepill nincompoop —some wretched fool—by his blundering stu pidity, for five days prevented the entrance of that vessel. (Hear.) The consequence was, that out of 190 bullocks 80 only were landed, and, being mere skeletons, died in a few days. (Hear.) The troops were actually mu , dsi ed in the trenches becatts3 sufficient precautions were not taken to provide for theni, and the blood of those men lay at the door of sonic department of the State. (Hear.) He wished for a termination of the war, but considered that until Lord Raglan was replaced they would not have a vigorous pro secution of the war or a triumphant termination of the struggle. (Hear.) It had been stated that for a long time Lord Raglan was not seen in Balaklava, and that the soldiers scarcely knew him, and ho (Mr. Maguire) c'on si.leie l that a man on whom so great a responsibility de volved should take care that the troops were kept in a pl oper condition. Ho begged also to call attention to the fact that the nunebet of Catholic chaplains with the army was not sufficient to cope with the great amount of duties which the sickness in the camp alone would impose on them. Of the number sent 'out, two bad died, four were invalided, and two only were fit for duty. The Ca tholic clergy„were, in fact, unable to perform the duties imposed upon them, and it was cruel to overwork them as they had been over.vorked. The contrast between the treatment of t he English and French soldiers was disgrace ful. There was ono good effect arising from the charge at Balaklava, and that was, to raise the character of the British soldier more than anything else could have done. But the French saw that the bravery of our troops went for nothing, because the stupidity and incompetence of Biitish officials rendered the valour of the troops and the courage of the nation almost nought. (Hear.) Capt. ARCHDA.LL begged to call attention to a few ap pointments recently made in the army, which were accom panied with a certain degree of injustice to old and merito rious officers. He alluded to the appointment of Generals Bentinck, Campbell, and Pennefather to the colonelcies of regiments. They were worthy, no doubt, of every reward, but is the way iu which it was conferred an injustice had been done to other officers. (Hear.) He was not satisfied with the answer given by the noble lord the member for Tiverton with respect to the case of Sergeant Sullivan, who on account of his general character and abilities, as well as on account of his bravery, was entitled to promo tion. (Hear.) _ _ . _ _ - _ _ Colonel BOLDERO had heard from one of the directors of the East India Company that great advantage had been experienced from the issuing of porter to the troops in India. (Hoar.) He wished to ascertain the quantity of porter that had been sent out to the army in the Crimea, and whether a fresh supply had been sent out ? He also desired to know if any portion of it had been sent back to England, and the quantity sent back, as well as the cause for returning it ? He wished also to ascertain whether the agent who made the contract with the Government had not furnished a bill for the detention of the ship at Balaklava of a considerable amount ? (Hear.) He wished likewise to know whether the porter was supplied by open contract or not ? He again begged to call attention to the case of officers returning from the East in a sick or wounded state. He knew a young man who hat returned wounded, and who went to the medical board the other day. They were astonished at the progress he had made, his health having been improved at a heavy expense to his family. He received, however, only 501. from the board, and that he (Col. Boldero) considered was a very great injustice. (Hear.) Mr. WILSON said there was not the slightest ground for the report that porter had been returned to this coun try because there was no officer to receive it at Constanti nople, nor was it true that the contractors who had sup- ' plied the porter had brought actions against the Govern ment for a breach of the contract. The fact was, that four cargoes of porter were sent out for the use of the troops, but in the whaaawhile the troops having changed their quarters, the porter had to follow them, and all the disputes which had arisen between the Government and the contractors related to demurrage for freight. (Hear.) The vote was then agreed to. On the vote of 151,1001. for allowance to the principal officers of the several public departments of the army, Mr. F. PEEL said it would be seen that this vote did not include the salary of the Secretary at War, as that office had been added to that of Minister for War. (Hear.) With regard to the allegation of an hon. member, that two men had been too severely punished for firing their ammu nition at the Emperor of Russia—(a laugh)—he begged to say that he had looked over the depositions taken before the court-martial, but he could not find the slightest allu sion to the Emperor of Russia. The charge against the men was, that they had injured the public property in having fired away their ammunition, and one of them was sentenced to 140 days ' and the other to 42 days' imprison ment. The reason thatdistinction was made in the punish ment was stated to be that the first man was a very bad character, and had been three times convicted before. Mr. OTWAY had never said the men had fired at the Emperor of Russia ; he only wished they could have had the chance of doing so. (A laugh.) Mr. 0. O'BRIEN asked if it was true that an order had been promulgated against the enlistment of Irishmen in the brigade of Guards ? Mr. F. PEEL had never heard of such an order. Mr. MAGUIRE reminded the honourable member that he had not answered his question with respect to the clergy in the Crimea. Mr. PEEL understood the number of clergymen h e om em ployed in the army of the Crimea was forty-two, twenty-four were ministers of tho Church of England. Mr. Mr. MAGUIRE said that of the cle r gy men allotted to the Roman Catholic portion ef the loafat. wham in valided, and he should if fourh steps ad beenbeen h eglad to know y had e taken to supply their place s ? Mr. SIDNEY HERBER T said cou ld give the lron. member some information upon the subject. The number of clergymen allotted to the ar my was acc ordin g to the re lative proportion of the me n belonging t o the Church of England, Roman Catholics , and Presbyterians. Formerl y it was thought that at least a third of the whole army were Roman Catholics. and the clergymen allotted were— twelve for the Church of England, eight for the Roman. Catholics, and four for the Presbyterians. Afterwards it was proposed the different denominations should be al lowed to increase the number by voluntary subscriptions, and accordingly the number was increased to twenty-four Church of England, sixteen Roman Catholics, and eight Presbyterians, the increase being made up half by the State and half by voluntary contributions. He believed, howeyer, that within the Dot -two _ari_three years the Ito man Catholics ii the army had been far less than a third of the whole. Mr. MA.G LURE thought it was derogatory to the dignity of the State that the spiritual wants of any portion of the army should be supplied by voluntary subscriptions. As for the latter remark of the right hon. gentleman, he be lieved that more than a third of the men sent out to the Crimea were RGmau Catholics. Mr..WILLIAMS .wished to know whether it was in tended that the three departments of the Commander-in- Chief should be consolidated ? Mr. PEEL said that subject was now under the consi deration of the Government. Colonel NORTH asked if the clerks in the War -office would receive any gratuity for the increased labour which the war had imposed upon them ? Mr. PEEL replied is the negative, because the increased labour had been met by the appointment of additional clerks.. Mr. BERESFORD should never object to any increase of staff when circumstances called for it, but in the autumn of 1852 a commission sat which recommended that certain duties in connection with the militia might be added to the Horse Guards without any increase of staff, and yet in the spring of 1853 the Secretary at War proposed an increase of nine clerks in the War -office. The report of that com mission had never been published, but it was very extra ordinary that the reports of two subsequent commissions which sat upon two otter branches of the War -office had been presented to Parliament and published. The vote was then agreed to. On the vote of 17,725/. for the Royal Military College, Mr. BRADY drew attention to the disproportion which existed between salaries of the governors of the college and the remuneration of its medical officers. The governor and lieutenant-governor received 1,825/. a year, while the me dical officers received only 3321. He was satisfied that if tho country knew this it would never sanction such jobbery. Mr. RICE protested against the term " jobbery " being applied to this institution. It was a great boon to the military profession, and instead, as had been asserted, of officers' sons having to pay 103/. a year f©r their education, they only paid 401., but, of course, they must show that their friends were nut in a condition to pay more. Colonel NORTH said the charge was regulated aceord ing to the rank of the f a th er . eneral PEEL wished to make a suggestion to Govern ! ment. We were going to spend a large sure of money in the establishment of a camp at Aldershot. New, he would suggest that the college at Sandhurst should be associated with that camp, and then staff officers would have an op portunity of pratically as well as theoretically studying the duties of their profession. It was impossible to learn all the duties of a staff officer theoretically ; but if the senior department at Sandhurst were removed to the camp, they would have an opportunity of learning the p rac ti ca l parts of their pretension. He hoped, else, that lectuTes would be given at the camp, at which all officers could attend as well as the non - commissioned, who, he trusted, would soon be allowed promotion from the ranks for merit. Mr: BRADY wished to explain that he had no intention of throwing any discredit upon the establiament at Sand hurst, but to call attention to the fact that one -ninth of the sum of nearly 18,000/. voted, was allowed to the go vernor—a sum he thought, larger than necessary. • Lord LOYAINE said if the *fibers were obliged to re ceive instruction in the different branches of the army, it would be a much better system. A. great error prevailed, which confounded the staff officers, whose business it was to carry messages, with the officers of the adjatant-gene mars and the quartermaster-general's departments, which required much higher qualifications. Sir G. PECHELL complained that the charge for the staff of the college at Sandhurst was a great deal more than if they had a proper establishment with properly paid offi cers. A. lieutenant-governor was all that was necessary. He also believed that the sum paid by the cadets was more than most of them could afford. Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the sum of 4001. for forage for the governor and lieutenant-governor. Mr. PEEL explained that the sum was required to ena ble those officers to discharge their duties. Colonel DUNNE said the system hitherto had been to discourage an officer from learning his profession. At Sand hurst the cadets could not learn all the duties of staff offi cers, but they required a knowledge of fortification draw ing and other matters which they could not learn elsewhere. The suggestion of the gallant general (General Peel) was a most valuable one. The vote was then agreed to. The next vote was the sum of 23,3671. for the Royal Military A.sylunuand the Hibernian Military Schools. Lord NAAS bore testimony to the value and efficiency of the Hibernian Military Schools, and he hoped that if an increase was made in the English establishment, an in crease would be in justice made in the Irish one also. He asked what the original number was, and what addition was to be made ? Mr. F. PEEL said the number at present was 350, and the additional number was 120. Mr. NAPIER, also urged the claims of the Irish esta blishment. Mr. S. HERBERT explained that in late years the num ber originally fixed by the Duke of York for the Royal Military Asylum had decreased, and the Secretary at War for the time had seized upon that portion of the establish ment thus vacant for the normal school for training regi mental schoolmasters. Under- present circumetanoes, the number of orphans had increased, and it was intended to bring the school up to the original number. The plans were already prepared, and he hoped that in a short time they would be completed ; in the meantime, arrangements had been made in the existing building. Mr. WHITESIDE would put the question to a simple test. Let the Secretary at War make strict inquiry, and if he found Ireland had equal claim he was bound to make a corresponding increase in that establishment. Colonel DUNNE was certain that there was some claim, for the increase of orphans by the war was as great iu Ire land as in England. The vote was then agreed to. A vote of 83,0001. for volunteer corps was also agreed to. The next vote was one of 3,813,3831. for the embodied regiments of militia. Colonel DUNNE asked what was to be the quota of the Irish militia ? He also expressed some objections to the expensive system of billeting them. Colonel DUNNE se Bested to the Government the pro priety of inquiry whether there was any objection to put arms into the hands of the militia. Ife did not believe they would be able to obtain recruits in Ireland without embodying the militia. Mr. PEEL said the suggestion should receive due con sideration, and the whole of the Irish militia would be called out if occasion required. Mr. WARNER suggested the propriety of providing temporary barracks wherever the militia wcs embodied. Lord LOVAINE inquired whether it was the intention of the Government to adopt any compulsory measures with regard to the militia ? Mr. T. PARKER called the attention of tho Govern ment to the clothing of the militia, which, in eoino cases was inferior to that given to the rural police, and even to that supplied to felons. The recent issue of boots had been of a most shameful description. Many pairs had become utterly useless, the soles having left the bodies of the boot!. ( Laughter.) Lord PALMERSTON believed that in general the clothing supplied was of good quality, but there were some cases in which it was of an inferior description. The late Secretary at War had made an arrangement by which the colonels were themselves to look after the clothing. With regard to the question of the noble lord, he had to state that the Government had no intention to resort to the ballot at present. Representations had been received at the Home-office of th e diffi cu lt y o f raisin.. men - in some quarters, and recommending a r esor t t o the ballot, but his answer had been that he was perfectly convinced that men would join in due time, and that the best course was to leave it to their good feeling. (Hear, hear.) Colonel SIBTHORP believed that the men who had joined were generally highly approved, and that the force would be most efficient. Mr. M. MILNES said he was aware of eases in which colonels of regiments had written to the War-office stating that they had men ready to recruit for particular regi ments. But after the lapse of some time the dispositions of the men changed. Now, he thought it would be better to give the colonels greater facilities for sending up men who wished to join the regular army. (Hear.) Colonel KNOX wished to call the attention of the Go vernment to the subject of the transmission of pay from soldiers serving abroad to their friends in England. Great complaints had been made on this subject, and in many cases the parties applying for the pay could get no infor mation as to where it was to be obtained. Any impedi ments thrown in the way of parties to whom money was so transmitted would tend greatly to discourage the sol dier. There was another subject to which he wished to call the attention of the house—the system of hospital ser vice in every regiment in tie army. The general system was, that lihen a man went into the hospital the surgeon took a description of him, the name of his parents, and an account of the money in his possession, so that in the event of his death there might be no dispute. Now, he regretted to say that in the hospital at Scutari the whole of these arrangements had been tota►ly neglected, and the system of plunder and robbery that had been car ried on was perfectly disgraceful. Many men had gone in with 71. or Bg., but the breath had hardly gone out of their bodies before the whole disappeared. Lord PALMERSTON apprended that the delays which had arisen with respect to the payments transmitted arose in this way, that when the applications were made, the pay-list had not been received. Of course the money could not be paid until the regimental pay-list was received showing the amount due to the men. Mr. M. MILNES said there appeared the other day in the newspapers on account of a proposition having been made to the War•office to transmit a certain sum from this country to persons lying in the hospitals at blcutari and Constantinople, and that the War office not only de clined to receive the money, but stated that the persons lying in the hospital at Scutari had received every comfort and everything that money could supply, and that such assistance was perfectly superfluous. He should be happy if the Secretary at War could infeisathe house whether he would be able to afford the means by which the charity of this country could reach those unhappy men. Mr. A. STAFFORD was glad the attention of a housethevisitto had been called to the subject. W the hospital-there was not a single d h a e y n o be was nwll )l Le matter was not pressed upon his attention. There_ were soldie rs to whom pay was due who could not send any portion of it to their relations in England. They said, " We do not ask charity, we donot ask subsoi iptions from private hone volence, but vie saY that in our sickness caused by th e per fermance of our duty we ought to receive what we have earne d, and send it to our wives, sisters and other relatives in England, but by the regulations at Scutari we have been ever and over again re fused.” (Hear, hear s ) He had seen l e tt ers from female rela tives stating that unless money was sent to them to pur chase a mangle or set themselves up in some way of bisi nese, there was nothing left for them but the workhouse or prostitution. (Hear, hear.) It gave him great pain . to hear these brave men make such complaints day after day. There was no redress, and the reason was that no regimental paper had come from the Crimea. The Secre tary at War stated that he had given orders and instruc tions to remedy this evil at Scutari. Far from hearing that statement with satisfaction, he had heard it with great despair, because, although it might have arrived be fore he had the opportunity of addressing the house on a former occasion, it had nob arrived, and it was his firm conviction that it had not arrived yet, so that the great evil which existed at Scutari when he was there existed in full force at this very moment. We ought to enable the poor soldier to draw, not as a matter of favour or private benevolence, but as a matter of justice, such slims as he might see fit, not only for his own comfort, but to send to his relations. (Hear, hear, hear.) With respect to the men who had been obliged to come home, none of them had been paid since they arrived in this country. A man came here with the loss of a limb ; he wished te go to see his friends ; but he was unable to do so because he could not get his money. The Minister of War, on the other hand, had very justly said that it was the duty of all in their several localities, to do their utmost to. =dace men__ to enlist in the army. Bat what could individuals do in way, when these young men who desired " we have. told by others whom they met in t!he/treotlo - seryed country . abroad ; we came 4sane w . otumea ; b ut we canno t .get our money?" Such was ____ another proo f of the reign of routine. He w as sure that the noble lord at the head of the Government, and the hen, gentleman the Under Secreten7-at-War would be most anxious to remedy these Void other evils, and he therefore iniplorecf them to depart from the spirit of routine in the _present instance, and do justice to those wh o h a d f ought so bravely and suffered so much for their country. - - - Mr. S. HERBERT said the hon. gentleman who had jast sat down had not given a correct description of the regulations under which pay was issued to the soldiers. The hon. gentleman stated to him some time ago, upon his re turn from Constantinople, that there was great difficulty about paying the men in the East. Now, there could be no doubt that even by official routine the men were en titled to receive their pay as .the honourable gentleman stated, and they were likewise entitled to have facilities which would enable them to remit the money to their friends' at home. When the army went to the Crimea, in order that the circumstance which he had ; just mentioned should be generally known to the men, Lord Raglan was requested to publish a general order directing the attention of the troops to the regulations with respect to the issue of their pay. That was accordingly done, and when the sick and wounded i were removed is Scutari, an officer was sent to act as pay master at the hospital; but it would appear that he was totally ignorant of the regulations of the service, for he de parted from the official routine, and did sot afford the men those facilities to which they were entitled. When •t he subject was brought to his notice in that house by the hon. member for Northamptonshire, he instantly wrote to. Scutari that those men who had not had the facilities to which they were entitled had helm grossly ill-treated, and that they ought immediately to be made aware of their sight to remit money to their friends at home. It was true that when the men arrived at Scutari from Balaklava they had to statement as to the amount of money due to them. He was not surprised that that should occasionally have happened, but the officers at' Scutari ought to have done immediately what heknew they had done since--paiii every man on account from the day he left Balaklava. •He hoped the evil was now rectified ; if not, he trusted: the Under-Secretary of War would look to it, and would select the best men he could find and send them to replace those who were inefficient. He ought to mention that the hon. and learned member for Enniskillen asked him sonic time ago whether it was true that the men in hospital at Scutari had V. deducted as stoppage from their pay. He an nounced at once that the men in hospital from iajaries or sickness contracted during operations in the geld were net liable to any stoppage beyond the ordinary stoppage for rations. No more they had ; but the hon. and learned gentleman had some reason to put the question, for he found afterwards that the regulations had been violated, and the men obliged to submit to a stoppage of 9d. out of their pay. He might add, however, that upon hearing that fact he instantly wrot e t o the fleet that, whatever might be the inconvenience, every farthing of the money so taken from the men shouid be paid back. (Hear.) Mr. WHITESIDE said it was observable that whenever any abuse was - brought before the hots°, it was sure to be attributed to "routine." Was there ne way of killing routine ? (Hear.) Mr. STAFFORD was net surprised to hear that the right hon , g en tl eman the 'member for Wilts had written numerous letters to Scutari ; but there was ens plan which he had not adopted, and that was neither more nor less than going to Constantinople himself. He was now re lieved from the cares and duties of office ; and since he was unable to ascertain correctly what was going on at Scutari —since he was so dissatisfied with the whole of his letters —he could only recommend him to try the effect of his personal presence, and hi order to obiiate any Parliamen tary difficulty he was ready to pair with him at six hours' notice, and accompany him to Scutari for the rest of the session. (hough.) - - Colonel • A RCHDALL was sure there mist have been some exaggeration in the statementsin the letters from the female friends of soldiers in the hospital to the effect that if they did not receiveremmittances they would be obliged to resort to prostitution. The Central Association had been established for the express purpose of supporting the wives and families of soldiers sent to the East, and he knew it had supported no fewer than 13,900 persons, at an ex pense of about 1,0001. per week. Mr. PEEL, referring to the remarks of the hen. member for Pomfret, said that no less atone than 18,00 W. had been remitted by soldiers in the East to their friends is this country, in small amounts, averaging 2/. 128. Mr. H. A. HERBERT said the right hon. gentleman the member for Wilts had stated that some stoppages had been made at Scutari, contrary to the regulations o f .th e service. Was it noepossible to ascertain whose fault it was, and to visit the offenders with punishment ? (Hear.) Mr. S. HERBERT thought he had stated that the fault lay with the paymaster at Scutari, and that he desired a proper person to be sent out to replace him. Mr. CRAUFURD complained of the want of barrack and hospital accommodation for the militia in Scotland, and hoped the Government would take steps to supply what was required. Mr. PEEL said the Government would make all the ar rangements iu their power to provide the accommodation referred to by the hon. and learned gentleman. Mr. WALPOLE asked the noble lord at the head of the Government whether he had heard that the principle of volentary enlistment for the militia had been materially interfered with by the bill for sending out certain militia regiments to garrison places in the Mediterranean Y. If the fact were so, it was well worth consideration how far that bill should be acted upon to its full extent. Lord PALMERSTON said the number of militia who could be sent abroad under the bill passed before Christmas would form a very small proportion of the whole. But, of course, there was no accounting for the erroneous impres sions which might be produced in the minds of the people, and it was possible, though he had ne t h ear d of i t, that some might have been deterred from entering the militia from the notion that they would be liable to be sent abroad ag ainst their will. The h ouse , h owever, was quite aware that by the recent act no man could be sent abroad unless he himself, individually, agreed to go, and there fore those mispprehensions, if they did exist, were totally un fonn el. The vote was agreed to. On the next vote, that of 22,0001. for allowances and rewards for distinguished ser vices, Colonel KNOX urged the importance of the institution of some order of merit for the reward of officers and sol diers below the rank of field-officers, to whom the granting of the Order of the Bath was limited. The institution of such an order would do more to promote the improvement of the army, and to excite emulation in all classes from the highest to the lowest, than would the giving of any possible number of commissions. lie suggested that what he de sired might be accomplished by granting the Order of the Bath to captains and subalterns; and by the institution for non-commissioned officers and privates of an order of merit which should carry with it double pay and double pension. Mr. APSLEY PELLATT called attention to the injus tice which was dono - by depriving a corporal promoted to be a sergeant of any good-conduct pay ho might have re ceived in his previous capacity. Lord HOTHAM called attention to an abuse which was a consequence of the mode in which this vote was adminis tered. When a colonel was promoted to the rank of general he did not, unless he had served a certain number of years as an effective field-officer, receive the half-pay of a gene ral, but only that due to him in virtue of his previous com mission. In more than one case a general not entitled to general's half-pay . had received one of those pensions for distinguished services, and had then been put upon the list of general officers receiving general's half-pay. Now it might very likely happen that a meritorious officer might not have served long enough to entitle him to general officer's pay, and it might therefore be very right to recom pense him by a pension for good service. But it was not right then to proceed also to give him general officers pay, because he had obtained this good-service pension. The re sult of that was that those who had not served long enough to obtain general officer's pay might be better off than tho:o who had. Colonel DUNNE quite agreed with the hon. member for Southwark (Ur. Pellatt) in thinking it very hard that a corporal should lose his good-service pay on being pro moted to the rank of a sergeant. Mr. WARNER observed that by this vote pensions et 1001. each were proposed to be given to tke adjutant and quartermaster-generals of the army in the Crimea. Now he did not think they ought now to reward officers whose conduct had been attacked and was about to form the sub ject of inquiry before a committee of that house. He would move to omit these items from the vote. Lord PALMERSTON said that the pensions proposed to be given to the quartermaster-generals and adjutant generals of the army in the Crimea were to be awarded to them for good service in the face of the enemy at the bat tles of the Alma and Inkerman, and he did not think that giving rewards for Finch conduct could at all fetter the house in coming to a judgment upon the general arrange ments for the management of the army made by those offi cers, which was to be the subject of investigation before the select committee of that house. (Rear.) Lord EBRINGTON thought that some provision should be made for defraying the cost of the outfits of the ser geants to whom commissions were to be given. Mr. PEEL pointed out that a sum of 5,0001. was pro posed to be granted for that purpose. Mr. OTWAY complained of the manner in which iord Raglan's conduct had been prejudged by some hon. gentle men, and remarked that he had yet had no opportunity of being heard in his own defence. Mr. WILLIAMS asked if it was true that the sergeants •in the Guards who were to be promoted to the rank of officers were not to.receive commissions in their oAu regi ments ; and if so, what was the reason ? Mr. PEEL was understood to remark that this was a matter within the province of the Commander-in-Chief. Mr. CRAUFURD said that the pensions to be given to the adjutan t and quartermaster generals were to be awarded to them in their capacity of adjutant and quartermaster generals. New, he thought it was not advisable to give rewards to dicers whose cencliet was about to be the sub ject of investigation. The amendment was not pressed, and the vote was agreed to. The CHAIRMAN reported programs, and obtainedleave to sit again, and the house resumel• WAYS AND MEANS. The house then resolved itself into a committee of ways aid mesas, and Mr. WILSON moved that towards making good the s upply granted to her Ma jesty the sum of 17,183,0001. be raised by Exchequer-bills for the service of the year 1855. Agreed - THE CONSOLIDATED FUND. The Consolidated Fu*d (2,000,0001.) Bill as amended W&s considered. The Cone°lidated Fund Bill (20,00,0001.) wised through committee. MILITIA (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this bill, Colonel DUNNE said he had no objection to the bill if the last clause was left out. The clause had nothing to do with qualifications or indemnities for qualifications, and it could not pass without notice. Mr. NAPIER caused some laughter by pointing out cer. taia absurdities and anomalies in the working of the )ill. Mr. KEOGH disclaimed beinganswerable for the p rase. ology of the bill, and contended that though it was some. what obscure, the intention in every case was cle ar enough. The bill was then read a second ti me. PUBLIC HEALTH BILL. On the motion of Sir B. HALL the select committee on the Public Health Bill and Nuisances Removal and Dia e"es Prevention Act Consolidation and Amendm en t Bill, was nom inated as follows :—Sir Benjamin Hall, Mr. Irton, Mr. Wilkinson, Mr. Adderley, Lord Robert Grosvenor, Mr. Horsfall, Viscount Goderich, Mr. Fresh&ld, Mr. Austin Bruce, Sir John Itanmer, Mr. Knight, Mr. Gore Langton, Mr. James M`Gregor, and Mr. Thomas Greene. On the motion of Colonel NORTH,' an address to her Majesty was agr ee d to, for causing the royal warraintr ri° gulating promotion and retirement in the Ordnance, to be laid on the table. The other orders of the day having been disposed of, Vim house adjourned at one o'clock. ARMY ESTIMATES. The first vote proposed was a sum of 314,9541. to defray the charges of the general staff of medical officers. Admiral WALCOTT expressed his warm admiration of the noble conduct and fortitude displayed by the ()Mears of the medical staff with the army in the East, a.td eulogised the exertions of Miss Nightingale and Mr. and Mrs. Brace bridge. lie also expressed the great pleasure which ho felt at witnessing the liberality of all classes of the country in connection with the Patriotic Fund. Mr. - WILLIAMS explained that in what be bad stated with respect to the army he had inteaded nothing discour teous ; ho had acted merely in the conscientious discharge of his public duty, and was not to be intimidated from pursuing the course which he thought a proper one by any abuse or taunts which might be cast upon him. Although the name of a military man had something formidable about it, and although he was not a military man himself, still he.ceuld assure the hon. and gallant members opposite that he was not afraid of any man. (Hear, and a laigh.) Colonel NORTH called attention to the great expenses to which the Governor of Portsmouth was put in the dis charge of his duties, and suggested the propriety of in creasing the allowance made to that officer. After a few words from Mr. FRENCH, in explanation of some statements made by him on a former occasion, in which he had been represented as not having done full jus tice to the merits of regimental officers in the Crimea, Lord HOTHAM called the attention of the committee to the recent royal warrant on the subject of promotion in the army. He fully concurred in the propriety of the alteration there proposed—that instead of an officer rising from the rank of lieuten an t- co l onel, b y d egrees, t o t he rank of general officer, without reference to the services he might have performed, a threeyears' service in the rank of lieutenant-colonel in command of a regiment, or in a staff appointment corresponding with the command of a regiment, should he necessary previous to arriving at the rank of general. He. was, however, perfectly at a loss to understand why to this wholesome and proper regulation should have been added the qualification of having served six years as an equerry to the Sovereign ; for there was certainly nothing in the duties of an equerry which could entitle any person so serving to military promotion or re ward. (Hear, hear.) Young men going into the army should know that the way to get on to the staff was by directing their minds to such studies as would qualify them for these employments. The staff should be remo delled, and made to consist of the best officers; and if it were composed of highly-educated officers, the country , would have every confidence in its efficiency. It was im possible that anybody could have had any communication with the army in the Crimea without learning the asto nishment felt by the regimental officers .at the honours and rewards showered on the staff officers there. (Hear.) Every one, in fact, was struck with astonishment at the promotions which had been given to the staff, to an extent that looked as if a page of the " Army List" had been torn out. He (Lord Hotham) was not personally affected by. the Royal warrant for regulating promotions; but he could not avoid directing the attention of the under Secretary for the War Department to the rules for the promotion to the rank of major-general, which, he thought, required revision. Mr. LAYARD saw, from the last despatch which had been received from Lord Raglan, that there was a want of forage in the Crimea, in consequence of the Commissary- General's not receiving English hay. That was almost scandalous. Three months ago the horses were dying for want of forage, and that up to this time forage was not ob tained was totally inexplicable. (Hear.) That the horses in the Crimea should be dependent on this country for hay was monstrous, considering that chopped straw could be obtained at any moment in that quarter. He trusted, some explanation would be given of this matter. The sub ject of tents was one also that demanded attention, and that was of the greatest importance. Nobody knew what direction the war might take this year—nobody knew whether we were to have peace or war —but tents were wanted, and tents should be provided, not so much as a protection during day as at night. Colonel Napier had sent him a drawing of a tent for a campaign which was worthy the consideration of the Government. The French had teats of a similar kind, and no time should be lost in providing them. The question of summer clothing was also one that should not be postponed, and he trusted that before July some pattern would be determined on and sent out to the army. These two subjects, tents and clothing, should immediately occupy the most serious attention of the hen Under-Secretary. — There was a question which he would like to have answered. Before the Duke of Newcastle went out of office, a gallant colonel, now General Chesney, was sent for from Ireland to take the command of the Turkish contingent ; but shortly after his arrival the Duke of Newcastle retired, and Colonel Chesney was told that his services would not be required. Ho was sum marily dismissed, although he certainly might have ex pecttd somewhat more courtesy and consideration. With respect to staff appointments and promotions, there was Lieutenant-Colonel Dickson, who had lately been wounded, and who had been mentioned in more than ono despatch, and who had diAtinguished himself very conch. Ho had not received any promotion ; he was still a captain of artillery. lie might have received honours and promo tions bad ho remained on• Lord Raglan's staff; but rather than do that, he went to command a battery, and he had served gallantly during the whole time the army was in the Crimea, and now he was wounded. Yet still he re mnincd a captain of artillery. That brave and meritorious officer had received no reward or promotion whatever. Mr. H. BA ILLIE complained of the beegingletter which had been sent by the late Secretary at War, asking for pil low-cases and sheets for the men in hospital at Scutari. Bst for the exposure made by what was called the " ribald press" our soldiers in the Crimea would ha,vetot•dly perished. He desired to be assured that proper precautions had been taken to remedy the state of things which existed in the hospitals, in the camp, and in Balaklava, and particularly if the soldiers discharged from Scutari were provided with proper clothing. Mr. WARNER contended that the inefficiency of our staff had brought down on us the contempt of our enemies and the ridicule of Europe. Mr. F. PEEL did not feel qualified to reply in detail to the several questions put by the noble lord (Lord Hotham), and others, but ho w ou ld endeavour to answer them as best he could. The royal warrant for promotion was to enable her Majesty to employ the best officers, and it was provided that lieutenant-colonels, without waiting for brevet, could be employed as major -generals of divi sion. With respect to the questions put by the hon. member for Aylesbury, their importance was undoubted, and they should receive the most careful attention. (Hear.) Both the subjects of forage, of tents, and of summer cloth ing should receive the immedi a t e consideration of the Go vernment. "With respect t o th e question pat by the hon. member for Inverness—whether the soldiers, en their dis charge from Scutari, were provided with proper clothing —the Ordnance had ordered the establishment of a store at Constantinople, where all supplies were to be procured ; and now that that store had been established it was not probable that there could bo any want of due p ro vision for the soldiers. With resp ec t to the staff, that was a subject on which he did not feel justified in making any statement, on account of being as short a time in his pre sent office, without consulting the Secretary for War. Mr. M. CHAMBERS thought the question of re organising the medical staff of the greatest importance. That staff in the Ci item ought to be put on a different footing. It was admitted that there had been neglect by individual surgeons, but it was clear that they had been unable, from want of po wer, to discharge their duties. The defect had been the defect of routine. (Hear, hear.) Many skilful surgeons had been desirous of going to the Crimea, but they had met with all sorts of impediments. Every facility should be offered to skilful surgeons to go out, but, on the contrary, ever their path. He knew an admirable surgeon of eight years' y obstruction was placed in' and who made application, but who found that the experience who was desirous of going out to the Crimea, regu lations were such that he could nosh accede to them. A to the department, might b e sent out to T ngan application be sent to the er to Sierra Crimea at Leone a, 11. oto S cu t ari, and might never r Mr. G. DUNDAS might refer to the case of a young gentleman who had accempanied a general officer late in the day on the field of Inkerm an, and who had received p ro motion, though not in action, as an instance of the way in which rewards are distributed. The want of forage in Balaklava was alluded to by the honourable member for Aylesbury, but it was not the want of forage, y a e g t o the h orses were but the want of some person to distriloate it, which was really felt. When he (Mr. G. Dand as ) was in the har bour , there w as a quantity about, afe starv ing a mile from it. (Hear.) He had bee n surpr i sed at the w weeks and state in which he saw the hor s es of our dr agoon regiments stationed a short distance f r om the ha r b our. He saw of fora of forage Balaklava the horses standing at the pickets, after two or three days successive hail, rain, and snow, without covering or rugs, and in the vicinity of the camp he saw the carcases of the unfortunate beasts lying, their manes an d tails eaten off by their neighbours • yet all this time there w as no want of forage in •th harbour of Balaklava. (H ear.) There was the ship Cormorant, which had come Into the harbour in November, and the bran bags were tak en on shore, and there they were lying on the beach when h e (M r. G. Dun das) was there. He saw them himself on the beach. but on the • Ve getables were greatly required, arrival of the Harbinger in the harbour, no one could b e found who his charge. would relieve the captain of . _No one w ou ld t a k e g char e of the vegetables Nr Inch were on b oar d the vessel. A strong representation ha.ving 'laeen made at head-quar ters, at last an order was sent . h t y the Commander-in-Chief that the officers and men mig gocnboard and get the vegetables. A few availedthemselves_ of that order, but yege • of these vegetables began to rot ; and at the great mass which ought to have been last that permission, n that officers g iven in and men s h ould the first instance, was give go on board and help themselves. All this was a ma tt er for inquiry ; and, although unwillingto blame anybody in iwasquite clear that blame lay somewhere, particular, t ec .le°. He and that it should be incoir 1 1 . . i, thought a griev ousnot been committed in appointing men of error had vigour and ability to discharge the various duties th a t were to be performed, w ith an intimation th a t th ey should might ha ) be made responsible for what ,in the de partment over which they were placed. I 11 en Very great inis under tsanding had occurred as to the p ersons who were to discharge the various duties. He underst oo d th at the general whose duty it was to see a proper and fit roa d ma d e from Balaklava to tho camp was under the impression that it was not his duty, but the duty of the engineers, to see that it was made. Between the two no road was made, or at least such a road was made as aggravated greatly the calamities of the campaign. (Hear.) He rode o ver th e road from Balaklava to the camp. t had . a sound bottom, and deep, and if the horses were though it was very muddy . d properly fed, and if things were terrible on with a little more system, those grievous and Sufficient calamiti esfood o ul dwo haveuld not have happened. (Hear.) their c strength, and to maintain been conveyed to the soldiers . and there would not have been a want of clothing er of fuel, or of more necessary requisites. (Hear.) 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