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Austral. Invest. 1i - 2 1 i Ditto New l# - t . 45 a ll south Austral:Land 36i ..- 37' 1 all Samar. Tel. Scrip... 1 1 1 a ll i to. Iftti:il-,,,:eit — 1 5 Trust& L.Co.U.Can. ... .... a. 10 4t 4 i Pau Diom en ' a LAM „, tt to: .tt+ this day. 63i i 12 11i s° 71 70 671 i 81j I St. 15 St• 70i I 111 i THE SUN LONDON„ FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 20 1855 I \IPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.) I The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. EDUCATION (SCOTLAND) BILL. The Duke of ARGYLL presented a great number of petitions in favour of this hill. The E trl of EGLINTON presented several petitions against the bill. Lord PANMURE presented several petitions in favour of the bill. The Earl of GALWAY presented several petitions in favour of the bill. The Duke of MONTROSE presented petitions against the bill. Lord BERNERS presented a petition against the Maynoot.h grant. The noble lord said, seeing the noble lord the Minister of War in his place, be begged to ask him whether the returns relative to the militia, ordered by this house in May last, would soon be pre sented ? - Also, whether the new regulations for the army extended to the militia ? He further wished to receive some information as to the warrant lately issued relative to soldiers' widows. He hoped that in }he case of unmarried men the advantages propesed would be extended to the mothers and sisters of the de eased soldiers. The Earl of HARDWICKE begged to make an ob servation before the noble lord answered the question, relative to officers similarly situated in the navy, and expressed a hope that a warrant would be issued in regard to the navy. Lord PANMURE said in reference the militia re turns that they had taken considerable time to prepare, but he believed that they would soon be laid. on the table of the house. With respect to the second question, the Government had under consider ation the propriety of applying the same principle in regard to the deductions from the bounty given to a soldier to the case of the militia. It was not deemed desirable to give any pension to the mother or sister of a deceased officer, but it was in the power of the Trea sury to make exceptions when special reason was shown. The Earl of HARDWICKE directed the noble lord to the part of the subject he had referred to. He (Lord Hard wieke) saw no distinction between the two services in such a case. The widows of naval officers who lost their lives in war were quite as much entitled to consi deration as those in the other service. Lord PANMURE made no reply. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH presented a great num ber of petitions against the Scotch Education Bill. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from Sussex in favour of closing the public-houses on Sun day. The noble duke also presented several petitions against the Scotch Education Bill. THIRD READINGS. - _ . The following bills were severally read a third time and passed, namely, the Mid Kent and North Kent Railway; Severn Valley Railway (amen trnents); Somer set Central Railway (amendments) ; East Kent Rail way (Extension to Dover ) EDUCATION (SCOTLAND) BILL. The Duke of ARGYLL, in moving the second read ing, said the bill recognised the parochial schools as the basis, and he was prepared to defend them from many of the charges which had been brought against them. It was evident that they could not rest with the present system as it stood, and if the bill was rejected another must be brought in. He therefore hoped their lordships would pass the present bill, which he was satisfied would promote sound and useful education in Scotland, and although not favoured by any particular party, it was approved by a large majority of the people of that country. The Duke of BUCCLEUCIT, believing that the bill would retard rather than advance useful and religious education in Scotland, moved that the bill be read a second time that day three months. Lord BROUGLIA NI w •s so hampered with fears and doubts with respect to the measure that he thought Go vernment must either withdraw the bill, or consent to modifications which would lead to its rejection else where. The Earl of EGLINTON opposed the bill as unne cessary, for it overturned an admirable system of long standing, and was not likely to promote the spread of education. Lord PANMURE supported the bill, the principle of which he believed was popular with the greater part of the people of Scotland. He was satisfied that sooner or later a similar measure must , e passed. The Earl of HADDINGTON supported the amend ment. The Duke of ARGYLL then asked leave to withdraw the bill, which was opposed by the Duke of RICH MOND. Their lordships divided, when there were— For the amendment Against Majority... The amendment was therefore carried. [We understand that, after the proposition made to withdraw the bill, and the rejection of that offer by its opponents, the supporters of the measure voted in the majority.] RELIGIOUS WORSHIP BILL. On the motion of the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, this bill was recommitted. BURIALS BILL. This bill went through committee. Lady and Lord Raglan's Annuities Bill passed through committee. The following bills were read a third time :—The Dwellings for Labouring Classes Bill ; the Dublin Car riage Acts Amendment Bill ; Christchurch (Todmorden) btarriages Validity Bill ; Burial of Poor Persons Bill ; and the D wellinghouses (Scotland) Bill. The Crime and Outrage (Ireland) Continuance Bill was read a second time. The Turnpike Acts Continuance (Ireland) Bill passed through committee. After disposing of the other business of the paper, their lordships adjourned. 86 • -85 HOUSE OF COMMONS-(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock. The Lords' Amendments to the following bills were considered and agreed to:—Bat row Harbour, Birlien• head and Liverpool Docks (Trust Property of Birken• head Dock Tru-tees, &c.), England and Leland Im proved Communication, Furness R tilway, and Liver• pool Docks. The Inverness Bridge Bill and Marshall's Charity Es tate Bill were read a second time. PETITIONS. Viscount EBRINGTON presented a petition from the Rev. C. C. Layard, cotnplainin,g that he had been re fuse I admittance by the Bishop of Exeter to a benefice in Devonshire, to which he was lawfully presented by Sir J. Kenna way, though he had received conainenda tiorts and testimonials from two bishops, a number of clergymen, and two congregations among whom be had laboured. ADJOURNED DEBATE ON MR. ROEBUCK'S MOTION. On the order of the day fur the resumption of the de bate on this subject, Mr. ROEBUCK presented a numerously signed peti tion from Birmingham, praying that the house would adopt the motion before it, and pursue its consequence --impeachment. The hon. and learned gentleman also presented petitions to a similar effect from Oxford and Bradford. 1 Mr. OTWAY also presented a petition from various parts of the metropolis with a like object. ( The debate was then resumed by Mr. W. GASKELL, who observed that if the motion before the house were stripped of the various die guises in which it had been clothed, it was sim ply whether the House of Commons who voted the Sebastopol Committee was or was not prepared to affirm the decision to which that Committee had arrived. (Hear, hear.) That Committee was voted by an immense majority. They had imposed a most arduous duty on the Committee, which its members had discharged with the greatest ability and impartiality, and if the only alternative was the adoption of the motion of the hon. and learned member for Sheffield, or a refusal to ex press any opinion upon the subject, and thereby to vote confidence in the Administration, he (Mr. Gaskell) bad no difficulty whatever in preferring the former. (Hear.) The committee had acted nobly, and had not shrunk from expressing as its opinion that it was the Government who were the chief cause of the difficulties and disasters which attended our army in the East ; but he should have been better pleased with the words of the resolution if it had been directed more particularly against the head of that Go vernment in partict.lar. (Hear, hear.) He admitted with readiness that some errors might have been com mitted, which it would be unjust and ungenerous to visit with censure upon the late Administration. But these must be errors of a kind against which human foresight could not provide. He could not say he thought _ the errors of the late Government were of that cha rac-er. (Hear, hear.) He did not believe sending _ peremptory messages to our generals, without being ac queinted with the local circumstances in which they were situated ; or invading a country like the Crimea without first acquainting ourselves accurately with its resources and means of defence were errors which could in any way be placed in such a category and palliated as such. (Hear, hear.) The fact was there was a fatal and funda mental: error at the root of the expedition, which was a total want of any definite policy or purpose in the ob ject of the war. (Hear.) This wee doubtless partly owing to the constitution of the Government, which at that period represented in its members every opinion in regard to foreign and domestic policy ; and, although it included many men of tried ability and experience, it was not susceptible of any unity of person in action. (H e ar, hear.) But for ad this, it seemed to him the First Minister of the Crown was alone responsible. (Hear, hear.) The fact was, the country wanted an in telligible policy with regard to the war, but any policy of the kind was prevented by the conflicting opinions which distracted the Cabinet. (Hear.) Under these circumstances he could not give his vote for the amend ment of his hon. and gallant friend (3eneral Peel), and still less could he vote for the motion of the hon. member for Cambridge (Cu]. Adair). As an honest man he felt bound to record his vote in favour of the original mo tion, believing with its hon. and learned mover that the conduct of the late Administration was the chief cause of the dreadful c alamities with which our devoted army had been visited. (Cheers.) The ATTORNEY -GENERAL defended the course that had bean pursued by the Government, and put it to the house whether it could in point of fairness blame the noble lord at the head of the Government for the act of his predecessors ? (Hear.) Her Majesty, before the noble lord came into office, had called upon the leaders of the Conservative party to form a Government ; and that having failed, what then took place ? Why, all thou called upon the noble lord at the head of the Government to be at its head, and steer if he could the vessel of the State into safe and quiet meters. (Hear. hear.) He vents red to say that the hon. and learned member for Sheffield bad brought forward the motion for political purposes, and he defied him to deny it, Mr. ROEBUCK—I do deny it. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL—WeII, then, I must confess I cannot understand the course that the hon ourable member for Sheffield intended to pursue. He thought the attack that had been made upon the noble lord at the head of the Government had been anything but fairly dealt with. Ho had not sought the present position in which he was placed, but it had been forced upon him by the country and the cir cumstances that hal taken place ; and was it justice, he would ask, to visit—which was the object of the present motion—the sins of the late Government upon the present noble lord at the head of the Government ? The hon. and learned gentleman then proceeded to refer to the report of the Sebastopol Committee, in which it was stated that the culpability for much f what was ouffered by the army was charged upon the late Lord Raglan. That, he continued, was the opinion of the hon. and learned member for Sheffield ; but now that the illustrious general had fallen a victim to his devotion to the public service, the honourable and learned gentleman came down to the house and passed a tardy eulogium on the merits of the departed commander—but finding that the late noble and gallant general could no longer be held responsible for his alleged misdeeds the hon. member for Sheffield turned round and charged those misdeeds upon the Government. He contended that to turn round upon a Government which had now for so long a time prosecuted the war success fully and triumphantly, simply upon some statements in the report of a Parliamentary committee, was most inexpedient and unjust. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) He quite considered that when the right hon. member for Hertfordshire brought on his motion it was under circumstances which gave him a perfect right to do so. The noble baronet perceived that there were counsels in the Cabinet which were calculated to produce timidity, instead of inspiring confidence and energy in the conduct of the war ; and the noble lord, therefore, brought for ward his motion with a view of doing away with these counsels. But when the object against whom his motion was directed retired from office, he withdrew it at once. (Hear, hear.) The motion before the house appeared to him to be founded upon a very different principle—he meant party feeling and factious oppo sition ; and he did hope that the house, out of a sense of justice, equity, and fairness would give it a decided negative. (Cheers.) Mr. WHITESIDE was disappointed at the speech of the Attorney-General.. He was in hopes to have beard something from the learned gentleman upon the subject of which the present motion affirmed, and what it con demned, but instead of that the hon. and learned gen tleman hail only come forward to support his colleagues, and uphold their actions. The hon. and learned member then went on to decry the course that had been pursued by the Administration with respect to the army in the Crimea, and referred to evidence that bad been adduced on the subject. He protested against the censure that had been cast by the noble marquis (Granby) upon the House of Commons and the English people, and he was sorry to see thlt he had an ally—the right hon. gentleman the First Lord of the Admiralty. He believed he spoke the sentiments of the whole mem bers of the house when he said that the Sebastopol Com mittee's report had been drawn up by a noble lord who was entitled to the highest confidence. The great ques tion involved lay in a nutshell. Was, or was not the noble lord correct in the conclusions to which he had arrived as embodied in the report ? He admitted the noble lord might shake off the responsibility of this mo tion, but there was a responsibility to posterity and to his own conscience from which he could not be absolved. Lord J. RUSSELL—I rise to speak on this great ques tion without any wish to diminish or to undervalue its great importance—(hear)—still less to deny or avoid any responsibility which I may have to encounter. (Hear.) Therefore I cannot accept, and I hope my noble friend the First Lord of the Treasury will not accept the excuse made by the learned Attorney-General—(loud cheers from the Opposition)—placed upon the ground that when the cir cumstances in question occurred he had accepted the post of Secretary of State for the Home Department. (Hear.) It is my belief that every member of Lord Aberdeen's Ca binet is, and must remain, responsible for the acts of that Cabinet so long as he remained a member of the Ministry. (Hear, hear.) This is a great question—a question of jus tice and of policy, because there can be no doubt that while it is eminently a question of justice, it is not a question of justice only. (Hear, hear.) The House of Commons, in its deliberative capacity, holding the scope, and directing by its vote the men and measures of this great country, ought always to consider, first—what the precise justice of the case requires ; and next, what may be the effect of the vote it is requested to affirm, in view of the general interests of the country. I remember well being told by a man who was a distinguished member of this house at the time of the Walcheren expedition, and he was no friend to that expedition—l mean Mr. William Elliott—a man no less distinguished for his virtues than for his talent, and who was not friendly to the existing Government—l remember he told me that he thought the decision come to by the House cf Commons en the sub ject of the Walcheren expedition was a decision in con formity with the wishes of the country ; because, though the country found much to blame in the character and conduct of that expedition, and of the ministers who planned and carried it out, still that it was the opinion of the country that the ministers were carrying on the war with vigour and effect on the whole, and that it would be injurious to the interests of the country to dismiss them from office. I say this as an example for the course taken by a House of Commons having a proper notion of its functions. (Hear.) In the first place, as I have said, there can be no doubt that this is a question of justice. But in looking at it as a question of justice, I must be permitted to remark on the manner in which the hon. and learned member for Sheffield stated his case to the house. (Hear.) Nothing can exceed the gravity and importance of the decision at which the hon. and learned member asks the house to arrive. (Hear.) According to his opinion— and I will not now stop to dispute or discuss it—it is a motion to disqualify from power—to exclude from office — every man in this house who may have promoted or car ried any great measure of what is called Liberal police (Cheers, anddissent.) The followers of Earl Grey in cal rying the Reform Bill, the followers of Sir Robert Peel in carry ing Free-trade, are alike denounced and disqualified by the hon. and learned gentleman's motion. (Hear, and no.) For an hon. and learned gentleman, who at least professes liberal opinions, this is a great store That none but men whose opinions are opposed to Catholic emancipation, to reform, and to free trade—(cries of " oh, an l cheers)—be the characters of all others ever so high, and their talents ever so great, should be qualified for con du c ting t e affairs of this great country is t object which poses and wishes to the hon. and learned gentleman effect. (Hear.) Well, if the issue is to be so great a one I should have thought that the hon. and learned gentle man would have cautiously kept within tae overstated lie of truth and accuracy; that he would not have st a she(' one of the charges ; and that, in at the house to come to a decision on them, he would not press the case unfairly against those whom- he was about to attack. (Hear.) eked yet I cannot but observe that in several instances the statement of the hon. and learned gentleman is anything but a fair or correct cue. (Hear.) One instance of his inaccuracy has been noticed by my right hon. friend the member for Carl isle. In givin g a quotation from Lord Raglan's letter, ray rig ht hon. frien d pointed out, as the house will remember, that the hoe. and learned gentleman omitted that part referring to the known acquiescence of the Emperor of the French in the expedition. Mr. ROEBUCK.—I quoted from the reports drawn up by the member fir Totnes. Lord J. RUSSELL—The hon. and learned member must also have had it in the evidence—(cheers) —and there fore, in mercy, if not in justice, ho s hould have given to us who are accused the benefit of what hen new to be these fact. (Cheers.) But the hon, and learned g leman accus the members of Lord Aberdeen's Cabinet with being absent from London with some few exceptions. I will speak by and bye of this charge. The hoe. an d learned gentleman said, we " let them die like sheep. They suffered under single canvas—there was no opportunity of taking them to huts to cover them—cold, rain, snow, tempest beat upon their heads, and the Government of her Majesty were in dulging their ease while these gallant men were enduring the extreme of suffering." Here the house will perceive that the hon. and learned gentleman tried to make his attack, and actually did so , on the ground that while cold, hunger, and tempest decimated the army, the members of Lord Aberdeen's Government, with one exception he stated, were not at their post. Now , what is the fact ? The proro place last year on the 12th of gat August, °n o f an P d ar f l r i o a m m Parliament ok at t to the 15th of October there was no complaint, and all was ready. Was it before the 17th of October that " cold, hunger, and tempest" afflicted the army? Were we absent from our posts after that day, when the army dwindled away ? The hon. and learned gen tleman knows well enough we were not. But knowing that for a certain period of Lord Aberdeen's Government the members of that go vernment were notin London, and know ing also that for a certain period cold, hunger, and tempest decimated our troops, the hon. and learned gentleman, with a most perverse ingenuity, attached the two periods to each other, and produced a false application of both facts—no doubt for the sake of pure justice—as aeharge against those ministers. But this is not he Firs Lord o all. Tt f the Ad miralty showed the house that it was impossible the gene ral charge against the Ministry made by the hon. and learned gentleman could lie, as he had stated that certain members of the Administration might be exempted from it. It might be true that certain members of the Cabinet more immediately connected with the supply of the wants of the army should be more culpable than others, but it was possible that that the Secretary at War, the First Lord of the Treasury, and the First Lord of the Admiralty could be blameless, if the other members of the Cabinet were to be condemned for the ill-peiformanee of their duty. I say, therefore, that anxious as the hon. and learned gentleman is for justice, he has misconceived his case—he has so mis led himself, he has so indulged in the sort of pleasure he seems to have in accusation and making charges, he was so delighted with the opportunity of throwing blame, he has such an abundance —I will not say of venom—l will not say of poison—(laughtele—but of vituperation, that he cannot refrain from applying it, even though it does not make anything in fevour of his case, I could not help remarking the speech of the hon. and learned gentleman. (Laughter.) The hon. and learned gentleman always dis appoints me in his speeches. (Laughter.) He begins with a strong exordium, he places in strong language and with great effect his charge before the house ; he ends with an admirable peroration ; but with regard to facts to sup port that charge, which ought to be abundant, and with regard to arguments based on those facts, there are none. (Hear.) His speeches have no substance andy want a middle. (Laughter.) There are the head the claws of the bird of prey—astughter)—but the inside is nothing but straw. (Laughter.) Such was especially the case with the speech of the hon. and learned gentleman the other night. (Laughter.) I have looked at the precedents in such cases, as one looks to see how others in the same predicament as ourselves fared. I read the speech of Mr. Ponsonby alluded to by the honourable and learned gentleman, and I have read the speech and charge of Lord Porchester on the subject of the Walcheren expedition ; and I see that those eminent men took pains to marshal their facts as the foundation of their arguments, in asking the house to come to a conclusion. (Hear, hear.) Has the hon. and learned gentleman done so ? He has not. He was so boiling over with indignation that he could not stoop to fact or argument. Indignation, no doubt, may make good VO/11011, but it is no substitute for argurneut ; and the hen, and learned gentleman omitted all argument. The course taken by the hon. and learned gentleman reminds mo of an eloquent passage in a speech of a man of great genius and power, the late Mr. Curran. Addressing the Lord Chancel lor of the gar, he said, " I am aware that truth is to be sought only by a slow and painful progress, while error hops with airy and fastidious levity over fact and argument, and perches upon assertion, which it calls truth." That is the course taken by the lion. and learned gentleman ; he has hopped over argument with airy and fastidious levity, and perched upon assertion. (Laughter.) With regard to this great question, two distinct questions in themselves have been confounded together by the hon. and learned gentle man more than by any one who has spoken on the subject. The first of these questions—one upon which the committee of inquiry was appointed—namely; to consider the con duct of the Administration with respect to supplying the wants of the army in the Crimea. This appears to me to be a fit subject for inquiry. I believe the people of this country, indeed, would never forgive this house if we lad refused this inquiry. Differ on the subject we may ; and I am rather of the opinion with Lord Castlereagh, in respect to the Walcherea expedition, that investigation should be con,* ed. But be that as it may, this investiga tion might be eenducted to an issue without raising any other issue than the wants of the army. (Hear.) It might be that the French army was well supplied, or that it was ill-supplied; but that was not the question. (Hear.) The mode of reinforcing and providing for the wants of the English army was a question quite independent of the mode of providir e ns for the French army. But is that the question brought before us by the honourable and learned gentleman ? It is not. It is, indeed, very difficult, if not almost impossible, to say what is the exact question brought forward by the honourable and learned gentleman. But the right honourable member for Droit wich and the hon. and learned gentleman who spoke last seem to think that the charge is, that the Government, with an insufficient knowledge and insufficient prepara tions, sent the expedition to the Crimea, to accomplish an impossible task. (Cheers.) Is that the charge ? lam stand ing here to be tried ; perhaps condemned. It is only fair I should know the particulars of the indictment. (Hear.) What are those particulars ? Are there any ?or does the hon. and learned gentleman mean to trust to the chance of the vagueness of his motion, and so win votes against the ministry upon one ground, while he leaves open another ? (Hear,) That,wass not the course taken by Lord Palmerston in respect to the Walcheren inquiry. Ho drew up an ela borate series of resolutions, based upon fact, and supported them by argument. The hon. and learned gentleman, however, in his love, I must suppose, of truth and justice (cheers and laughter)—does no such thing ; on the con trary, he finds it expedient to conceal the exact nature of his charge, and he leaves us to guess what it is he accuses us of, only stating what he proposes to effect. (Hear.) With regard to the second question involved in this great ques tion, it is of a totally different nature from the first. I have said that in the report on the inquiry you might find that the army.had not been duly supplied • that there had been wilful neglect, and that certain official persons, there fore, might be censured. That would not embarrass or engage our alliance. (Hear.) But when you ask whether the army sent to the Crimea was eittfficient for the purpose you touch on a totally different ssubject—(hear, hear) — because you will be obliged to ask also in such case whe ther the Ministers of the Crown had duly consulted with the French Government on what was to be jointly effected in the war? Whether the number of French troops which had been agreed on had been sent? Whether the English Government were satisfied with the force that had been sent ? Was it the French Government that was deficient, or the English Government? Did that defi ciency, if such existed arise from the number of troops sent by the French Government being less than was agreed on, or from a want of transport for there being provided ? All this implies an inquiry into other subjects, and I agree, therefore, with the noble lord the member for Totnes, that inquiry on this point would necessarily be incomplete until we should know what had been agreed upon, and what had been admitted. (Hear, hear.) It would be im possible, therefore, to come to any just conclusion on the question. (Hear, hear.) Well, again, with respect to one great cause of the suffering of the army in the Crimea — suffering and distress with which I am sure one and all have the deepest sympathy. No one can entertain a doubt of the effect of the hardwork in the trenches in diminish ing the army ' comparing its condition from the 10th of November to the 14th of December, it was one of great suffering and mortality from this cause. Every one knows that the French army by our side was conducting, as I may say, a separate siege. But this is delicate ground. Are you prepared to tread it ? Are you prepared to in quire whether Lord Raglan asked the French general to support him ? Or, if he did, what was the answer of the French general ? Whether the French general did or did not make sir or seven miles of trenches? Whether he could spare men in such case ? Or whether Lord Raglan asked such assistance? (Hear.) This is delicate ground I repeat — (hear)—bat it is nevertheless quite impossible that you can come to a vote of censure in connection with this question until you know these facts. (Hear.) The hon. and learned gentleman keeps all these difficulties sedulously out of sight. It is for these reasons, therefore, that while I con cur in the view that it would be more satisfactory, perhaps, to all parties to come to au exact vote of aye or no on the subject, still I cannot deny that the hon. and gallant officer who moved the previous question, and the noble lord the member for Totness, who supported it, have good parlia mentary grounds for negativing the motion. (Hear.) But passing to the great question, which it is iuipcssible to say whether it has been raised or not by the hon. and learned gentleman—(laughter)—l will state in a few words what consider to be the offence charged against those who ordered the expedition to the Crimea, and the answer, so far as I can give it, to that charge. An army was sent out from this country and from France, the im mediate purpose of which was to defend the capital of the Turkish empire from occupation by Russia. However, it was found, from the losses suffered and the resistance offered at Silistria, that the Russians had retired from the principalities. I own it surprised me very much that the feeble entrenchments of Arab Tabia should have held the whole Russian army on the Danube in check for nearly a year, and defeated their attempt at invasion. But such being the case, it became a great question what should be done with the allied armies? Every one will agree with me that if they had been withdrawn from Bulgaria, whi ther they had been sent, and recalled to Constantinople, it would give rise to general disappointment, would cer tainly induce a belief that the war was not pressed with vigour, and might even encourage Russia to think that she could defend herself for years. (Hear, hear.) The question then to be decided was, was the army to be sent beyond the principalities ? We knew that Austria was then quite willing to drive Russia out of the princi palities, but that she would not cross the Pruth. We had, therefore, to consider what would be the position of the allied armies if they had advanced—the position of 60,000 or 70,000 men on those large and wasted plains, opposed to the whole force of Russia, without adequate resources—for the army could not march without the means of transport ; it would take two or three months to reach the Russian army, therefore, and no one doubted that the Russian army was superior in numbers to our army, not very strong numerically in the first instance, and weakened by disease in the other. Therefore that course could not be taken. It was therefore decided to send the army to the Crimea. Hon. gentlemen said that we had no sufficient information on the subject. We had all the information that could be obtained. (Hear, hear.) Different results, no doubt, were to be derived from that information, but it is always the case in war. I observe, indeed, that a great commander in Spain, during the late war, did not know the number of the English army opposed to him. We had informa tion ; it was not to be relied on implicitly ; and Lord Raglan so stated it, in reply to the Duke of Newcastle. We had information that the Russian army in the field was about 4i,000 men, and in the garrison of Sebastopol about 15,000 men, making about 60,060 in all in the Crimea. The question then arose, was it possible to take Sebastopol with the forces of the allied army ? I believe it was. (Hear.) If wo had effected that object before the long defence of that fortress had increased the Russian obstinacy, I believe that it would have shortened the war, by inducing the Emperor of Russia to listen to reasonable terms of peace. (Hear, hear.) It is now the fashion to say that Sebastopol could not be taken ; bat Ido not hold with that fashion. There are now artificial defences of great strength where on that occasion last year the town in great part was defended by a single wall. (Hear, hear.) Was it impossible that the allied army, landing in the Crimea, should gain a great victory, and that the gates of Sebastopol should be thereupon thrown open to them ? (Hear, hear.) I believe it was possible. I remember very well that that brave soldier the late Marquis of Anglesea said, when the French and English armies were united together in emulation, nothing could resist them. We found it so at the Alma. (Cheers.) Was it not possible after this great victory to press on to Sebas topol and take it while the Russian army was in confusion? But if that was not done, was i t impossible to the allied armies to attack the weak defences which then existed on tho south side of Sebastopol, and make themselves masters of the town ? It has not so happened certainly ; such is the fortune of war that we cannot make anything sure. But I say that it was well worth while to incur the risk for the chance of striking so great a blow ; and that those who made the expedition, therefore, sought a great prize which not only triumph but peace would follow. (Cheers.) That is one part of the case. The other part of the case regards those whose duty it was to supply the expedition ; and as the hon. and learned gentleman who spoke last, as well as the hon. baronet the member for Hertfordshire, applied observations to me as the depreciator and accuser of the Duke of Newcastle, I shall take the liberty of referring to those aguments. I beg leave, therefore, to say that the comparison instituted by the hon. and learned gentleman in the first instance is inapplicable to me, and, therefore, altogether out of place. There was no secret made of the accusation of the Duke of Newcastle • on the contrary, the Duke of Newcastle was fully informed of the whole nature and contents of the correspondence in question. l i Not that the Duke of Newcastle was deficient in the con scientious discharge of his duties. He was both a con scientious and a laborious Minister ; but then he had not sufficient authority in his office to carry on with energy and effect a great war, such as that in which we were engaged. That was my opinion. It might be wrong, and it was not shared by my colleagues, who had the fullest confidence in the administrative ability of their colleague. Then, with respect to the number of British troops and the supplies sent out. No one can deny who looks at the evidence, that in spite of defective organisation—we having been left too long in peace, and without adopting sufficient reme dies and reforms—that in spite, I say, of defective organisation, there was great activity shown in dispatching to the Crimea all that the army required. No doubt, many defects could, and have been pointed out—some by the hon. member for Totnes—owing to the defective organisation and the evils that have flowed from such defective organisation ; but the useful labours of the committee will not have been thrown away, if with that knowledge which we have acquired, the noble lord (Lord Panmnre)will be enabled to give more concentrated power to the War Department, and thus prevent those delays which have occurred owing to want of due correspondence between the several departments of Government. That, I think, will be a great advantage, but it does not form a sufficient case on which to ask the house to pass a vote of censure on the administration, or a case on which to oast blame on the whole of the administration employed in conducting public affairs. Could they say that, considering the obstacles which the Minister of War fcund with respect to sending out huts and clothing, this furnished a good ground for such a censure as the motion of the hon. and learned gentle man proposed ; nay, the hon. and learned gentleman felt this view so strongly that he goes to another ground en tirely, though he does not positively refer to it. If this is the case, that at the commencement of a great war, we, having sent an expedition composed of as fine an army as could be conceived; that army, however, not being success ful, though most successful in battle, in the immediate ob ject for which it was dispatched, the capture of Sebastopol —is it, or is it not, desirabili that this house should inflict its censure on those who projected that expedition. I ow n _ e it appears to me, if the house come to that conclusion, t h e house will commit a great injustice—will commit aegreat, th injustice against men who, when they engaged i_t e lt w yrsr, o _ endeavoured to the best of their power— a nd in t e h m L vs o r; men of no ordinary capacity who formed membe r 4" a ea Lord Aberdeen's administration—who end best of their power to direct a blow g 5 PM Pm which might be effectual_ for _the purpose, but which, Ministerial resporallit (Hear, hear.) We did not owing to the various accidents and various fortunes now send peccane Istini Y siers to which befall warlike expeditions, was not successful fur- rejoiced at the ch j , T ower - bill and no one nee more than hedid ; but when the found that great calamities had ther than in maintaining the honour of the armies of both House of Comma, - el neeethesconnern as house was in duty countries: --- But s hectementereyet , comer-and-wow-wen rsexs . beenahreught pectations, and enable . us to say we have defeated .one bound to expres. it s opinio , t he fa li l . an a roperly th n e se nse airy respon 6 s n ib e ilit Y ; great means of Russian oppression. It has been, said - with and to bring homsp had the affa irs of the country in respeetne the hon. and learned gentleman's charge that on all wh3 might eve been Raid that a portion of the late while the expedition was being sent out, the inemberit of their hands. It ha , ' from office, nene sense they had, Lord Aberdeen's Government were elsewhere. The mem- Government had be punished. hers of Lord Aberdeen's Government had decided upon the for they had been eluded expedition, and had received from Lord Raglan every infer- doing penance on th, nob beside bin,. and were now mation, and every measure o f prepara ti on had 'b een made. it follow, becauseeee e Ministers had bee n ( pun ished, g that `There was none who had more right I know not that any other members of tho Cabinet were others should escape required in order to communicate with Lord Raglan to escape than the ea r e lord the member for London, for it was always customary than those immediately connected with the War Depart - when ho found his ce e ee ra , tes were captured he turned ment. If Parliament insisted on having the whole time of King's evidence—gar . ter)—a nd ' every member of the Administration, who are also members to allow such persons," escape punishment. (Laughter.) of the House of Commons, and requiring them to remain in Th e noble lor d was ieSonsible for his acts, but he was not London, and not to resort to other Places, such Aden:tend punished, but rather, according to the rules of the India will not, I think, tend to the efficiency of public business. service; he was P r ""Tel to a he'll r o ffi ce- -to greater di Tbe work of the House of Commons is so severe—the work nity and power. The tiest4o: '' e what the h member g of attending eight or nine hours in the house every night could - not see that it tr was . hon, feen to take part in debate, added to the official duties, efsuch sure on the existing lie ra r g anhxl its a nolale e l e o d at that if this rule were insisted upon you might have; men its head. That was 'Hi •tof c and t he r view, after all, in w hic h broken down by their ditties, and you would be obliged to the house would be for: regard it. It was rem arkable replace them by other ministers; and in doing se you that the noble lord at 4,1 dof the G overnme nt had ex- , would not gain the object of having an administration able pressed no regret at the ace natio n not shown any symp ath y ff t. i , : 1 1 Government of tohfe the noble lor d noblel lord. to resume their duties with vigour, and with health neces- , member for London, at • • sary to the purposes of administrative labours. What was with those who had spo the period in question ? It was the period between Aug. The noble lord at the hex and October. In that period the battle of the Alma took cated— (laughter) —intox ted with the n n ine t li t oil seemed feel o i a o t s n w o a i f r a gettin gßoberti n t i. ed on Mr. Pnitenev B to accept piece, but the important account of commencing the siege rid of the noble lord, 'a of Sebastopol was dated the Bth October—a period when Walpole felt when he pro turned the key of the closet - the cabinet were about to assemble. Everything that could a peerage, saying that he b t that he had got rid of his be considered by ministers was considered. So it is not upon him. The noble lord true that any, great queition was neglected in conse- ancient competitor, and th-- stood alone the le a d er o f quence of the absence from town of ministers. Nothing the Whig party, With rea p 1 u the motion before them, but the habit of the hon. and learned gentleman ;of he regarded it as a want of e efidence iii the noble lord, applying reproaches to one per i o d that properly be- and should vote for it on 'le ground. He was afraid longed to another period ' could afford ground for ParliaMent was about to se' a t e —h e presumed only till such a charge. I baVe stated the question with regard to November —so that for th con the justice of the case; but I, can show, if you enter upon duct of the war would be et in the hands of the Go the question whether it was right to send an expedition to vernment, in whom be was 'ext three - months the the Crimea—to send an army to act in that quarter—that house did not place that '`..., urneSewhich a Can: you can hardly come to a right conclusion withont inquir- ought to - have who administerettent ne2 - e -- • 'eenfte- ' • large majority of tl , ing into all that was done by the - Government of France. (Hear, hear.) It might be the nibble r . t shrink I have told the house that when the army was in the Cri- from his policy, but they ought to reels sect sat it was men, the army departments took care, as fast as they were not the policy of-Lord Aberdeen, of the right hon. member able, to despatch with diligence reenforcements to the for Oxford, of the right hon. member for Wilts, or of the army, and to furnish that army with supplies of food, noble lord the member for London. It appeared to biro shelter and clothing. I will come now to the great ques- that the noble lord at the head of the Government did n ot tion ()Feeney. Is it discreet at this moment—the 19th of . see that clouds were gathering in the horizon, and that his July, that we as the House of Commtina should come to a policy was dooming to death thousands upon thousands, vote which will hitt) effect, not only of casting a stigma on and carrying desolation into the - homes of millions. He had those out of office, but of driting from power the head of no faith in the policy of the noble lord, and believed it to the administration and other Ministers who act with him ? be full of humiliation and of peril to Parliament, the That seriously is the question; it involves the question Crown, and the country. (Hear.) whether the Government are carrying on the war with Sir DE LACY EVANS concurred in some of the state sufficient vigour, or whether the house thinks, by ments of the hon. member who had just sat down. He replacing the present Government with Lord Derby agreed with him, that the tone and manner of the noble lord and those ,joined with him, there will 'be a more at the head of the Government was not satisfactory with efficient 'administration of the vier? e I canna 'think you respect to the house. That, however, after all, was a secon. will be of that opinion. I can see that great inconveni- dary question. e The question was-the policy of the conn ence and confusion will - arise from diselacing those who try itr the - great struggle in which theywere engaged. He arc engaged in sending our army to the Crimea, and in thought the house and the country were greatly indebted to organising the operations of our fleets. Such a change the hon and learned member for Sheffield foe the just without confusing will be impossible. "And, then, when and impartial manner with which he had conducted this you get through the confusion, will you have a better ad- matter. He thought the results of the committee were of ministration ? It is for the house to say, for this is a the highest importance, but that the hon. and learned question of policy as well as justice. If Lord Aberdeen's gentleman has made a mistake in bringing forward accuse administration could be shown to have been utterly in- tions of so sweeping a character as would excludafrom hold competent and incapable—without talent and strangers ing office so many eminent men in that house. He did not to administrative duties—then a case would be made out altogether approve of the amendment of the previous clues for dismissal with disgrace., But no such case can be pro- tion, still less of the proposal of the hon. and gallant mem (-Need against the existing Government (we understood). ber for Cambridge. The shortcomings of the late Govern- The case is that of the case of a minister who has. always meat and the want of• earnestness in the present Govern turned his attention to our relations with foreign powers, malt went far, in his opinion, to justify the vehemence and who is desirous of hating the War Departments of hon. and learned member for Sheffield. He could efficiently conducted. We know the disadvantages of not agree that the country, and not the Government, were change in these departments. But will nothing . else oc- to blame for what had occurred. The late Government cur? Will you not affect the spirit of those who succeed had two years' notice of the impending war, for no one the presntGovernment—will you not infuse into them that who read Sir Hamilton Seymour's letter of January, 1853, caution by which the soulof enterprise is effectually damped could doubt that war would be the result. They had the —and will you not damp by your vote that vigour which evidence of Lord Aberdeen himself that he saw no reason ought to animate them in their exertionsagainsttheenemy. to anticipate this war three months before the dacha I will read a quotation to the house; it is somewhat long, ration of war, and yet not an additional soldier or but the matter is so much better than my own, and it is sailor was added to our forces at that time. In the next not inapplicable to the present time. I shall conclude place they had omitted to call out the militia ; and when what I have to say with the quotation, feeling that the the noble lord now at the head of the Government was house will decide fairly the whole question, being ready to taunted with the neglect by the right hon. member for accept the motion of the hon. and gallant gentleman of the Bucks, he retorted by saying that the men could be much previous question, but equally ready, if the house decides better employed upon the harvest which was then about to contrariwise, to contend against the justice and policy of be got in. At last, however , when some 10,000 men were the hon. and learned gentleman's resolution, and not being dispatched to Malta, and thence transferred to Gallipoli, afraid that the house, on the merits of the question, will and afterwards to Scutari, they had in evidence before the come to a decision adverse to the Administration of Lord committee, notwithstanding the assertions •f Sir C. Tre- Aberdeen. This extract is from a speech made by Mr. velyan, that even this small army bad not been provided , Canning , on the 29th March, 1810, upon the Scheldt Expe- with the means of moving. Why, he himself, happening to dition, which was undertaken when he was in office, but pass through Malta at the time the army was there, in , who went out of office before the expedition came to an quired what was the means of transport provided for the end : army; and he ascertained that in order to enable it to take the field, the commissary general had brought some " Something yet remains to be said upon one topic, on which much stress has been laid by our accusers, the policy 30 mules and some 30 carts. (Laughter.) And yet in the face of this, they had Sir C. Trevelyan boasting of hi s of marking with extraordinary severity a failure so disastrous as this is represented to have been, of an enterprise' (as it is great knowledge of the commissariat, of his 15 years' ex averred) so rashly undertaken." So far the averment is not perience of that service, and of his having conducted two very different to that of the hon. and learned member. ~ si r, Cape wars. But that gentleman should know that the of this policy, as a matter distinct from justice, I take the experience of a war against the Kafirs could not be brought liberty to entertain great doubts. I doubt whether the vice to guide him in a war like the present. Why, there all of the British constitution "Aid Government be a too great the operations of war were conducted by columns of some proneness to undertake splendid anddaiing enterprises, or its 900 or 1,000 men, and in no country of the world did such main perfection and uncommon facility for conducting the ope- an abundant means of transport exist ;so much so, that rations of war. There is enough already, as it appears to me, upon one occasion Sir Harry Smith took no less than 530 both of di ffi culty to impede and of responsibility to daunt any waggons of all sorts for the service of 960 men. (A laugh.) administration in this country to whom the conduct of a war How was it that the noble lord at the head of the Govern is entrusted; and when that war is to be carried on againstsueh went, and the noble lord the member for the CAv of Lon an enemy as him with whom we have to contend at present, don, allowed the army to stand in need of everything, and it is not, in my humble opinion, politic to go one step beyond the entire control still to remain in the hands of an indivi what justice may prescribe, to enhance that difficulty, and dual, who with all the presumption of a red tapist was wont press the weight of that responsibility upon the Government. to speak with such contempt of the statements of general Possibly I might think that even to stop something short of officers ? Both these noble lords must also have recollected an extreme and vigorous account might be the more politic well what was the condition of the military departments ; alternative of the two. We have to contend against an enemy yet he never found them acting fairly by their colleague at who, with whatever qualifications he may be endowed by na- the head of the War Department, and coming forward to his assistance. He said this because the noble lords sat ture, has full scope and play given to all his facilities and upon a commission 17 or 18 years ago, for the express pur views;- by the unlimited power, the irresponsible freedom pose of examining into the military deficiencies of the with which he acts. He asks no consent, he renders no ac count. He wields at will the population and resources of a country, and which reported that the military arrange mighty empire and its dependent states. His successes are meats were in a most unsatisfactory and disorganised state. magnified with enthusiasm, his failures slightly passed over. The fact was, the late Cabinet appeared to suppose they And against this unity of counsel and this liberty of action, could carry on a war with the greatest military power in the world by demonstrations and protocols. (Hear.) While we have to contend under the disadvantages of a mixed and he was afraid, as regarded our subsequentoperations , there complicated Government. Disadvantages in this respect they undoubtedly are, though happily and gloriously re- was some foundation for the remarks of the hen. member deemed and compensated by the great and manifold blessings for Manchester, that they were guided by the current of of a constitution unequalled by any other system of human public opinion and the great dissatisfaction of the public policy in the history of the world. Secrecy of design, cele- press at the inaction of the army, he could not, however, city of execution, a boldness of adventure arising from fear- concur with the hon. gentleman in his denunciation of the lessuess of responsibility for ill success, are the qualities the public press, or at least a part of it ; for, it must be recol most useful for the vigorous prosecution of military operations. lected, that whatever might have been the amount of un- They are advantages which our despotic adversary enjoys in just contumely cast upon individuals by the press, it had the most eminent degree. They are those which a free Go- • conferred immense benefits on the country in awakening vernment necessarily wants. I doubt whether it be politic it as to the sufferings of its army. (Hear, hear.) For his to aggravate the inequality of such a contest, by a severity of part he did not hesitate to affirm, that were it not for the scrutiny, and a hardness of animadversion upon failure, which, press and the loyal and energetic conduct of our noble by making responsibility too heavy to be borne, has a ten- ally, the Emperor of the French, the army might have l deny to make all enterprise too hazardous to be attempted. perished. At the same time he was forced to admit that Neither, again, while I admit and lament the failure of this the sufferings of the armyhad been somewhat exaggerated. expedition, can I agree with those who consider the disap - Of course he deeply regretted what had occurred ; but he pointment of a great object of national policy as synonymous believed a false impression would be conveyed throughout with national disgrace, and as pregnant with national ruin." Europe and the country, if they d welt in that manner upon what had been the sufferings in the army. Suffered their Sir, so say I. I cannot consider that what has happened army certainly had, but not to an extent to cause alarm I is synonymous with disgrace, or is pregnant with national fortheir national power, nor as to the result of the contest. ruin. I believe that in going to war suddenly with our i He owned to having a certain degree of confidence in the organisation very defective; in undertaking an enterprise capacity and determination of the noble lord at the head more than usually hazardous, we have suffered more than of the Government ; and, therefore, whatever might be ordinary calamities. But I look to many things which are hi s feelings on particular points, ho could scarcely feel jus sound, both in our military and our p o litic a l constitution. tified in giving a vote that would have the effect of preci- I cannot but believe that an army which stood, I will not pitating the noble lord from power. Still he was not quite say the battles of Alma and Inkerman, but which with- sure that the noble lord had displayed that energy which stood the hardships of a winter siege of Sebastopol un- his friends gave him credit for ; nor was he able to dis broken, and with its discipline unimpaired, mus t b e formed cern that any great augmentation had as vet been made to by a military system equal to its o bj ec t, a s y s t em which our military strength since his accession to office. (Hear, teaches men to endure hardships and to meet not glorious, hear.) It really seemed that this system of protocolling at but inglorious death with calmness in the service of th eir Vienna had paraly sed the exertions o f the n oble lord. Be country. (Cheers.) I cannot but thinkthat an army so or- fore the Duke of Newcastle went out of office a convention ganised, when reinforced, and with less arduous difficul• i bad been entered into, by which a contingent of 20,000 ti e s to contend against, will be sure to give to their country Turkish troops were to 'be added to our army. Well, six victory, and, to Europe safety and repose. I look t o our- months had elapsed since then, and as yet not a single bat politicalconstitution. I see in that political constitution talion of those troops had taken the field. Now he could defects. I see moreover, some circumstances which were not help thinking that was a' proof of the want of energy on not the case when Canning spoke—which afford great ob- the part of the noble lord. Again, eight or nine months stacles to the efficient operation of the war ' • but I believe ago th e y got authority t o ra i se Borne 4,000 irregular ca there is a virtue even in the worst of those defects and in valry, under General Beatson, and no one could see that the most crying of those evils. I believe that wh ich has ' any progress had been made in the formation of the corps; been found faulty will be repaired, owing to the general while with regard to the foreign legion, he believed there spirit which prevails of looking into every branch of the had been great remissness in carrying that measure into administration witk the view to correction. I believe effect, although, if energy had been shown, he be likewise, that the spirit of the people of this country is as lieved very gratifying results would have followed. He glad at all events to perceive that his Royal high as ever it was in war—(hear) —and that it will stop was High short of no sacrifice in carrying on any enterprise neces- ness the Duke of Cambridge had been appointed to the sary to maintain the character of the countr y . (Hear, and command of the legion. But iu the case of the legi on sheers.) I hold, that under these circumstances, and with they were guilty of the same mistake as in enlisting for these prospects beforeus, with this organisation both mill- the line, for the recruits were only getting about half tary and political, that vote which shall displace the ad- their nominal bounty, the rest being made up in neces ministration by an assertion , that the war was not well series. As for the militia, he would say at once its history conducted, and above all, that it was rash to undertake was a continuation of blunders. He had never been in the expedition to the Crimea—l believe that such a vote favour of raising a large militia force, and although they of the House of Commons, far from aiding—far from pro- had now only one-third of that force embodied, he thought moting the success of the war, will, on the contrary, tend it had been raised too rapidly. At that moment it was to damp the spirit and confuse the minds of the people of often found they at the other e were recruitingnd of it for the militia. at one end of a village this country. (Hear.) I believe that this house will best for the line, an d perform its duty by giving no countenance whatever to the Now, that was a point which ought to be lo oked to by the Government, and some arrangements s hould be ma de lieve :A the hon. and learned gentleman, which I be- lieve was conceived in malice, and can tend to no objectsuch(Hear, hear.) With regard useful to the state. (Hear, hear.) to prevent collisions. ear, the labour Mr. BRIGHT would occupy the house only a few or 101.—he could not but forget tha t wna double to the bounty given to the recruits — which some 91 - minutes while he explained his views on the motion of the market was in by no means the same s taten y, bo ss could hon. and learned member. He did not vote for the previe ' the amount of bounty an d yet in this great ous motion of the hon. and learned gentleman on this they expect to get able-bw:daietigieveen. He believed u that at the time ground—he perceived in the words of . the motion a one- than 201.? (Hear, hear.) h re were no less than 67,000 as recruits for less eidedness with regard to its application to the different of the battle of Vittoria . I '. s e . rroy; members of the Government, and he thought that indis ` men on the lists of the Bleb_ n a cated something like conspiracy towards the noble earl contest in the Crimea, t E , r therefore, behoved the noble then at the head of the Government, and that portion of only some 30,009 ngland was represented by the him . Cabineton t ha t ground to he e refu s ed b e te particularly give h is associatedret rote th o w u i g th h l ord himselfduring with h t h r s e l a e l r, otherwise he could not be spared nevertheless, all the isiligree:li.of the parliamentary recess to exert ha d I'Bo,ooo men in India, 40,000 of whom he approved of the constitution of the committee when ap- in future. Th n e) ; 20,000 of them being in the company's pointed. He now gave his entire approbation to the labours were Eur s o n eene as 000 in . t h e Q ueen ' s ; of the committee and to report, which was both ad- service, _ t a ah een withdrawn from India were two re mirable and judicious ; but when the house had the report troopetzanoei cavalry, without..o smallest inconve in their hands, they were bound, according to all ordinary gi. n m en a ce they might have drawn from have b i g e h e n t 1 aws well d iwfitthhesenpoobylterolooir)ds. thence a force of 10,000 proceedings, to take some step with regard to it. The 1 m en. Then, op i n , their garrisons at Ceylon, the Cape although the noble lord (Lord J. Rumen) had been severe on the hen. __ d iong .Kong could supply them with 12 btt r ' a a ions, and learned gentleman, but he did not blame him, as the hon. and learned gontleman did not spare the noble lord 7 there e m th e o m u b gh er t , the other night. (Hear.) . The noble lord said the speec h for the City of London had abstained from criticising the of the hon. and learned gentleman was good at. the ca i operations in the Crimea ; at all events ho (Sir De Lacy m moment and the end, but the middle was left out. Evans) would not tiCO33ll _have the courage to follow his example ; , the noble lord think that the hon. and learned ge: on. an d and although immense mistakes had been made, which ought to have read the whole of the report? The , had were chiefly in consequence of the Government not hay learned member reasonably thought that the nr.. '-. - t "I i w ° o s e uri 1 (' s t and ing been iu earnest • (n ) tell the facts in i , in regard to the war— ear —2 1 t made themselves fully acquainted with . Did considering the results attained these operations afforded that those facts were to be taken as not disputed.bo dealt abundant matter f ' d h H Us or encouragement an ope. e the noble lord lord intend that the fee ? p u t t ;t o a mu- begged of the house to remember how important it was with as antiquaries deal with =iced* 0 : 1 0, 5 the duty of the that Europe should be made to feel that no di s a sters of a scum for the curious to g aze at. case th e allegations military character had befallen the country. (Cheers.) 'house to take further proceedht n t ate d. Had not all While it was erfectl astounding tt reflect what misfor which had been made were subs re than made out by tunes had l)ygre at vaunted powers of Rue descended upon the • t Government been mo doubt it had . No • could the case arms uld ho a the committee ? There 'co e t Government could deny smallest c • with the passage of the Danube by the member of the past or prose hich had so alarmed the . Russian comparison statements w army. It had been said that the expedition to the fairly that those groped to be correct by evidence before CriMea had been resolved upon too late in the year ; per thecountry had been vidonco was now laid on the table h it little too late, nevertheless they must not baps was a committee, w hiche they And were to say the whole endof the forget that th •a rmy had triumphed in every contest their a of that house. this, that there was to be some change in there • (Hear.) Perhaps, also, their recruits were too young. matter was to be , ts--the Ordnance to day the departmen John Russe ll ) be extirpated Indeed he had himself received a letter that day from the some of retion of offices established ?Wh , C • f n officer there, saying that he would no y, rimea rom a and a better co ns ent Lord John Russell) an *se his Si De Lacy Evans's old a the noble lord the longer be able to recogm ( r ) the noble lord ( head of the Governmen t (Lord Palmerston) knew for years division, so many young boys had been incorporated with that these offices required change. The late Mr. the regiments. However, he had every reliance in the before _ game had over and over again proposed c h an ges should noble and enth usiastic s p i ri t of the p eo p le ; and he was e take place, and that proposition found no stronger oppo- happy to see that the ir feeling s was res p onded to by the nen t s than , the noble lord th e mem b er for the C i ty o f L on .' House of Commons. Therefore, the Government of the don and the nob le lord the head of the Government. (Hear, noble lord had no excuse for not pr o c eedin g with vi g our, bear.l And now thos e no bl e l ords wanted to r id e o ff on for never before had a Governmen t been offered such the ea that the departments Were guilty of the evils corn- amp le su pp ort in the p rosecution of a war. (Hear, hear.) plain p ed of, and not the administrators of them. The hon. This was a war for the national independence of civilised and learned gentleman the member for Enniskillen had , nations. It was impossible to oonceive any war of deeper inclichted the min e Parliament ought to take in respect to interest than the present. When the expedition Was E s t - - - - ~~ 121 1 ex is. - _,..4.51..