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• . a Ir-. ~_~~ T .115," xo , ' Li 1 4.9 fG - tj I ) I 6/ 7 iCS /d NUMBER 9870. Ilt COUNTY FIRE-OFFICE and PRO- VIDENT LIFE OFFICE, REGENT-STREET, were the ORIGINAL OFFICES which effected Insurances upon .tbc print plc of combining the Security ; elan adequate and Peismaiient Capital (in addition to the fluctuating Funds arks . .ing from the Premiums), with the beneficial rule of return -1.4g. at stated periods, the Surplus of the annual Premiums Cnntributtirs, after paying Leases and Expences. 'The i mportance of this Improvement is. acknowledged by eatra "fdivary' pUblie approbation; and by the numerous imitations . 0 1 it, which New Offices have lately offered, and which older ones have 'adopted, In changing their Constitutions.— principle is of chief value, Isiseause, rls it yields, by the 4 Pecifis sums insured, and the Return of the Surplus, the tallest Valbe for, the Deposits, persons hare no reasonable motive for venturing 'on the lure of reduCed and insufficient premiums koposed to them 14 Adventurers, and which has 'ecrto frequent instance+ of dissappointment and ruin. CAPITALS; A MILLION STERLING and upwards. CSVENTY-EIGHT 'rHOUSAND PERSONS have sought 'protection in the COUNTY OFFICE, and.kaye found. it. CLAIMS hive been Paid to Sixteen Hundred Claimants. i gtenipt from the Expences of l i .aw-suits, and alto from the 2(boirOce of an enormous Commission to Agents, to which '4 to New Offices submit, to indtsue,thim to canvas for busi. - "&s, great accumulations have been made. In these, per sons who now Insure participate equally with the original I h:tubers. itZTurtNs of 45 and to per sent. in consequence, have Rteck Invariably, paid to all persons who have continued In lets,' seven years, upon Annual as well as upon septennial Policies, and whether they have been Claimants for losses or ...thMtisc•-42,000 have been returned in this way to about 11 44006 persons Insured, within the last nine vears--an int 7 Portant advantage which no other Insuianee Office existing lios afforded. BONUSES of 161. Bs. and 261. 11.. per Cent. have been Pohl on Life Policies. %. Agents are appointed in all the principal Towns. INCORPORATED LITERARY FIND, SOCIETY. Under the iimnediate PATRONAGE of HIS MAJESTY. TH ANNIYERSA,RY FESTI Y AL of this HA.LLINSTITUTION will be clebratgd at FREE.NIASONS' on WEDNESDAY, the 13th of May, when the Com 4OY of such N o bl emen a nd Gent l emen as ;may lie favon.- Able to a Seclety whiCh has for its object the relief of Men *rs Talini, Authors io distress ' - is earnestly solicited. Fund Chambers, 4, Lincoln's Inn Fields. TIMBER AND BARK,—WINDSOR FOREST, BERKS. e 7 -Qrder of the Right Hon. CHARLES ARBUTHNOT, %Vll. DACITI.ES ADAMS, and HENRY DAWKINS, Estirs. Commissioner s of hi s m a j es ty' s W oo ds, Forests, and Land Revenues, TO .118 SOLD STANDING, BY PUBLIC AUCTION, By Mr. THOMAS LUFF, at the GREEN. MAN and SQUIR , RELL, Winkfield Plain, at Eleven o'Clock, on TUES DAY, the 40111 of April, 1824, in Small Lots, for tl) convenience of Purchasers. ABOUT SIX HUNDRED and SEVENTY EIGHT SW I EIIIOI4, OAK TIMIIF.R. TREES, in Cranbourne Walk, and TWENTY-THREE DITTO, at l iwinley, in the said Forest. May be viewed any Day previous to the Sale, by applying to Joseph sthith, of Sawyer's Lodge, and Edward Wiinhls, heir the Crispin Public House, Wink fi eld, who are appoint ed to show the saws, and of w hom Catalogues, with Condi. tion of Sale, may be had ; as also of Mr. Masliti, Deputy Surveyor of the Forest, near ,Bracknell ; and of Mr. Luff, the Auctioneer, ; at the Inns in the neighbourhood ; and at ; the place of Sale. PERSONAL HISTORY OF GEORGE 111. This Day was published, • In Two Volumes, dvo. price 28s. CtEORGE THE THIRD, HIS COURT lteVf' and FAMILY. .- The Third Edition, revised, and en - 7 shed with Id Portraits, i nc l u di n t• t hOi c of the- Whol e Royal Fanti!y of England. This work will be found to abound in relationsof those or. traits of character for which his Majest . si was so dis linguished•cluting his.long and eventful reign, and which hare l'fruilered his personal bibtory so remarkably a,ttractire. Published and sold by H. Colburn, a, New Burlington street PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, APRIL 9. nitoontx and others, from the Commons, brought up several Private Bills, which were read a first time. The Irish Four , per Cents. Bill, and the Judges Accommo dation Bill, were read a third time, and passed. The Earl of ROSEBERRY presented a petition from the Preeholders of the County of Elgin, relative to the Salmon Pisheries.7-Laid on the table. : SECRET SOCIETIES IN IRELAND. The Earl of LIMERICK held a petition from a Body . of, s ue, who, he tho ug h t, h a d b een rea ll y i ll-treated by not being ngexempted from the operation of the . Act for preventing. the assembling of Secrets SoCieties in Ireland. It was from the Freemasons of a town (we did not hear the 'same), .in that C°u ntrY, and prayed to be relieved from ' th e o p erat i on o f that A ct. The,Earl of LIVERPOOL did not rise to oppose the peti tion, but to remind their Lordships, that when the Acts in ques tion was progress through their House lait year, a clause had 1 -,tten moved by a N o bl e D u k e connected with Ireland (th e 'Joke of Leinkter), to preient its extending to Freemasons.-- he (the Earl of Li verpoo l) h a d o bj ecte d to t h at c l ause, not on the ground that the Freemasons of Ireland had ever mimed the 9b jects of th e i r I nst i tut i on to political'purposes, but bec ause bein g the poli c y o f the Government to put down all secret . .ocieties and Institutions, the law ou g ht to be general, and should show no partiality to any of them,. whatever was their I'high), or hwever loally disposed. Te information which l e had since o r y eceived would haye confirmhed the opinion which ne had then formefl, if it had needed confirmation. It was ne, l'eßsary for the public peace of Irelarld that the antopaion of the •atr should be universal. From the moment that exception should be made, the law would act invidiously, -and the great a bject of putting down all those Secret Societies and proces itions which were the cause of so much irritation and mischief would be defeated. The Earl of LIMERICK, in explanation, stated, that. the Freemasons of Ireland had always strictly confined themselves to the original objects of their institution, which were those of charity. The Marquis of LANSDOWN agreed with the Noble tad at the head of his Majesty's Treasury, as to the propriety fi.4. introducing no exception whatever to the operation of the lave for preventing the Meeting of Secret Societies. At the s ame time he must express his conviction that no instance had ( marred in which the body of Irish Freemasons had applied howeve r institutionto political purposes. It was not too muc h ; iovrever, to expect from their p a t r iotism, that they would f or a time sacrific e their own feelings in consideration of th e great benefit w hi ch was to result to the peace of their country, from the unity and universality of the law. He rejoiced to hear that she Noble Earl opposite thought it expedient to use the info- • ice of Government to prohibit an d p ut d own th ose meet i ngs d those processions, which that Noble Earl had truly stated Were at the bottom .of more than half the mischief existing in • Ireland, particularly in the Northern parts. An eloquent Irish. Orator, speaking of the magnificent edifices of Dublin, had once said that in looking at them he saw the wing of office overshadowing the metropolis.. He (the Marquisof L.) wished at last to protecti on ng of office overshadowing the country, and yielding to whole people. Earl DARNLEY concurred in thinking that no exception should be made in favour of any society and d t the act of l as t year h ad failed .to put an end t to all truste Secret Socie hat tie as. s and Processions, th e Noble Earl at the head of his Majesty's Government, would take the, in the course of the Present Ses sion, to amend it, and render it effectual. The petition was then laid on the table. IRISH BURIALS. ~ Lord STOWELL presented a petition from a Society cal ling itself the Protestant Union of Ireland, against the Irish Burials' Bill. • Lord KING observed, si that this petition proved that the Catholi cs were not the sole and exclusive petitioners against the measure. • , . , The p e ti t i on was then laid upon the fable. On th e mot i on of the Earl. of L IVERPOOL , the Irish Burialet Bill was then re a d a t hi r d t i me and passed, after hav- k n .. of ed Ise • ing received a few verbal amendments proposed by the Earl of HARROWBY to make its operation more explicitly general. NEWFOUNDLAND. Earl BATHURST introduced a Bill for the better Admini stration of Justice in Newfoundland, and proposed .that it be read a first time, and that the second reading be fixed for Thursday next, when he should explain ifs objects. Earl DARNLEY suggested the propriety of postponing the second reading till after the Holidays. Earl BATHURST persevered in his original intention, but should have no objection to put off the Committee, which was the stage on which most observations were likely to be offered on the Bill, till after the Holidays. The Bill was then read a first time. UNITARIAN MARRIAGES. The Marquis of LA.NSDOWN postponed the Committee on the Unitarian Marriage Bill, which stood for next Monday, to an early day after the holidays, of which he should give fu ture notice.—Adjourned till Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. SALMON FISHERY. Colonel GRANT presented a petiti on f r o m Elkin praying for an inquiry into the Laws resp ec ti ng t h e S a l mon Fishery.-- Referred to the Committee on those Laws. USURY. Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW gave notice, that early in the next Session, he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal the Laws against Usury. _ . NEGRO SLAVERY. __- Petitions against Negro Slavery were presented from Sur rey, by Mr. 11. Su KNEW; from Cornwall; by Tnx- MAYNE ; from Milford, by Mr. JONES ; from Thirsk, by Mr. DurrnAs ; froth Clerkenwell, by Mr. BENG ; and from Caine, by Mr. ABERCROMBY ; and were ordered to lie on the table, and be printed.. SCOTTISH POOR. . - Mr. KENNEDY brought in a Bill for relieving the Poor of Scotland.—Read a first time. COMBINATION LAWS. Mr. L AMBTOpT presented a petition from the Artisans of Darlington, against the Combination Laws: Similar p etitions were presented from Dublin;.by Mr: ELLTS, and from estminster by Mr. HOBROUSE, and ordered to lie on the table. LIBEL LAW. Mr. HOBHOUSE presented a petition from several inha bitants of Westminster against the practice of the present Law of Libel, under _which individuals were committed before a Bill had been found by a Grand Jury. The power to do this was given bra clause fastened to,a Revenue Bill. The • Hon. Member offered some observations in condemnation of such a power, alluding particularly to its exercise in the case of Mr. Butt. The petition was ordered to lie on the table and be printed. • Mr. MONTEITH presented,. a petition from Renfrew against the Attornies Licence Bill. Mr. BYNG presented a petition from Clerkenwell against the Assessed Taxes generally, and the House Duty in par ticular. Mr. ELLISON Pre sen t e d a pet i t i on f rom N ort h um b er l an d against the Hid es and Skins Bill; and 'another from the same county against the repeal of the Duty on Wood. • Mr. M. GRANT presented a petition from Bantragainst the Attornies Licence Bill. • Mr. CURWE N presented a petition from Cumberland against the Duty on Excise Licences. r ' IRISH FREEMASONS. Ms. PRENDERGAST presenteda petition from the Free masons of Connaught, praying that they ini,g,ht be allowed the same exemptions as were allowed to' English Freemasons un. der the different laws against unlawful assemblies. Ordered to lie on the th e table. AGRICULTURAL HORSE TAX: • Mr. DENISON presented a petition from Battersea, to which he begged the attention of the Chancellor of the Exchegner.— The petitioners were principally market gardeners, and com plained that their horses were taxed, although they considered that this tax, as to them, had ceased by the repeal of the Agri cultural Horse Tax. Lord ALT.HOBP supported. the prayer of :the petitioners. The horses were taxed as husbandry horses, and the tax being taken off under that name, it was not fair to continue it upon individuals by another name. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wished the subject of this petition had, in the first instance, been brought before the Treasury. Doubts had been entertained whether these horses were exempted; because they were employed only partially in agriculture. They were employed as carriers of the garden produce to market. -The case,' he believed, had been before the Judges; but he was disposed to give relief to the petitioners if it were possible. - Mr. DENISON explained. He conceived that the occa sional employ of horses- in the way alluded to, ought not to take away the exemption. Tho CHA NCE LLOR.of.the EXCH EQIS ER explained. If it were-occasional employment, it would certainly not take away-the exemption, • ~ . After a few words from Mr. Bright, Mr..Ellice, Mr. Curwen, Mr. Denison, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, , and Mr. Hob house, the petition was ordered to lie on the table. EXCISE LAWS. • 111 r. BENNET presented a petition from an individual named Harrison, complaining of the prosecution of the Exeise Laws against him on an' unfounded charge of disposing of French -gloves. . The Public Offices, he complained,: had' re.: ferred the queition whether the goods were contraband or not, to his:rivals in. trade. , - . • , - The - CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said; he would read the petition. The casehad never•been - before him at the Treasury. The prosecution must have been carried on by in dividuals who conceived themselves injured by the sale. He was about to *pose the repeal of the . prohibition against im porting goods of this.kind ; but, in, this particular• instance, he theughtit must have been clearly proved that the goods were contraband, otherwise the conviction would not have taken place. _ _ _ _ _ . Sir M. W. RIDLEY said, he wished to• know whether the Exchequer fees to jurymen, in cases of this ; kind, had been altered ? Formerly the amount of the fee depended on whether the verdict was given for the Crown or not. Mr. Secretary PEEL said the practiCe had been altered. Mr. HUME objected to the payment of • special juries alto gether. They were suPposed to be of a class superior to com mon juries, and had therefore less: occasion to require the fee. He wished to know why this distinction was allowed to remain. Mr. Secretary PEEL said the subject would properly come under consideration on the Jury Bill. It was too important to be gone into as an incidental subject. • Sir. HERRIES denied that any undue severity . had been shewn towards the petitioner. He had every opportunity to defend himself. The reference on the question of contraband was not to the persons interested in condemnation, though it was necessary, to have persons acquainted with the subject present on the inquiry. Mr. BENNET explained, and the petition was ordered to be printed. COLONIAL CURRENCY. Mr. BENNET moved fora return shriving the quantity of dollars imported into New South Wales for the last three veers, and certain accounts relating to their issue. He tools that opportunity of noticing a practice which had prevailed -in' New South Wales, and other Colonies, of disfiguring the Spanish Dollar which was in: currency there,: so as to increase its nomi nal value. He trusted that Ministers would adopt some plan to check this practice. • The CHANCELLOR,of the EXCHEQUER said, there was every motive, as well ac every disposition on the part of the Government to check the evil complained of; and measures; had already been taken with a view to prevent inequality in the currency as to all the Colonies.: lie hoped those: measures' would prove effectual, thOugh the subject ; had required much time and consideration.--Themotion was agreed to. INSURRECTION ACT. ' Sir H. PARNELL said, that last Session the Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland had promised to agree to the appoint ment of a Committee on the state. of. Ireland, if Ministers should think it necessary to apply for a renewal of the Insur rection Act. He now wished.to ask.the Right Hon- Secretary whether Government intended to ask for the renewal. Mr. GOULBURN regretted that it was not in his power to give the Hon. Baronet a direct answer. He was about imme diately to set off for Ireland. On his return, he should he able to give a direct answer, and, he sincerely hoped, a satisfactory one.--(Hear, hear !) LINEN ; BOUNTIES.., • Ur.. S. RICE presented a Petition from Limerick against the repeal of the Linen Bounties. : Mr. CURWEN, alluding to a former motion of his, for the repeal of the Salt Tax, said, he had yielded on a promie? that SATURDAY, APRIL 10, .1824. in two years it would be repealed. -He trusted this would be done now. He moved for a return of the quantity of Salt used for agricultural purposes during the last year. - • t tax b e e n a c b o o u li r s a h g e et a mono ot poly M r ia l t t e S d T e E al ß ingo complai ne d f and tha ought g the e The motion was agreed to. DUTY ON RUM. Mr. ELLICE presented a Petition from a Rectifier, -Corn ' plaining of the monopoly enjoyed by Distillers ; and pr4ing that he might be allowed to convert rum into spirits: • If this permission were not given, the reduction of the-Rum Duty would be inoperative. At least it would be so with regard to ' the West India Interests. The duty, as it nowstocal;had ma terially injured them , by diminishing the consumption. It seemed unreasonable to take .off the duty, and yet to" restrict the use of the article. lie hoped the Chancellor of the Ex chequer would take the subject into his serious consideration. Mr. CURTEIS was understood to speak against the Pe tition. • Mr. Hulig said, the Chancellor of the Exchequer ought to consider the interest : of all parties, and particularly-that of the consumer. The Hon. Gentleman here went into some'calcula tion• to chew - the- dimi nished - consumption of rum, in conse quence of the duty. There was also an unfairness shewn' in diminishing the duty in one part of the country, and retaining it in another. A partial change was worse than no chaneT at all. The present regulation gave a monopoly to English dis tillers, and, denied a market to any others. - ' Mr. L. FOSTER denied the accuracy of the -calculation made by; the Hon. Member, so far as it relates to Ireland. Mr. HustE explained. • After a few words - from Mr. BRIGHT, the Petition was brought up—On moving that it should be read, Mr. ELLICE observed, that unless it was the intention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to allow the=Rectifiers to put Rum into their still, he,should oppose the Right Hon. Gentle man's resolutions with 'respect to rum altogether. It was ab surd,. st,nd a complete delusion to suppose that the small reduc tion prepbsed to be made would be beneficial to the West India interests. He must take this opportunity of observing - , that the' West Indians themselves were very supine in matters which concerned their own affairs. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he had taken-the course which he was convinced• was the heist adapted to answer the end of the Hon. Members who wished for a discussion upon this subject. -He considered that that discussion would best take place upon the introduction of the Bill for the purpose in. question. As to the supineness of the West Indians, he - had no:..ing to do with that. He had never held out that any great benefit would accrue to the West Indians from the remission of duty proposed.— He had resolved upon the reduction in question, because it was one which promoted a good and sound principle, and that was all. - If, therefore; any delu s ion h a d b een practised, it was not chargeablo upon him. With -regard to the rectifiers, he considered it was his duty to watch the effect of the Distillery Bill of last year, and that he would do infinite prejudice to the whole co ncern were h e h ast ily to interfere with the existing arrangements upon, this subject. fie considered that he could not do worse to the country than to put too many irons in this fire at once, and take theni all out at the lama time: If al lowed to go on slowly he expected he should be able to do 'a thousand times more good to the country, than in the hasty adoption of any ill-digested schemes.—(Fleur!) Mr. 13ERNAL complained of the uncertainty in which the rum merchants were placed, from the want of an accu rate knowledge of the intentions of the Chancellor of the Ex - chequer. Mr. ROSE LLLIS thought that greater benefit was to be expected to the rum market frord the measures of the Chan- , cellor of the Exchequer, than seemed to be anticipated by the liOn;Member opposite. , . . The Petition Was then read, and ordered to - be printed. Sir G. 'CLERK presented a Petition from the 'Candle- - makers of Edinburgh, against the duty an tallow.—Ordered to be printed. . . M tbe 3lEnpresentedand Shoemakers Petitio o nsft:ofm meila Greenwich; ' v Ber wick,r a i n i d U CoMbination Laws.—Referred to the Committe on A r ti sans . ee :s: against of tle Mr. TIgRNEY presented a similar Petition from the Jour .iinnwavree d sh f o o r r ot a t n gl a l. c -- co l u ke n frr t e of e . d su t m o s t p h a e id C . n e L ti o n r e d n A.LI, Weavers o j o t f r mittee on Artisans. dur ing the last seven years under the Insurrection Act, the Peace Act, and the Constabulary Act, in. Ireland.—Orderett 00in, tahtenmotoiotilofolVfltri.lJe . c A si l lt i p u:r i.c r it sr dry , t s:tu o r f n t w h a e s r o x rd c e i r i e z d a o u f x th n e amount of Duties on Stems for the last year. the Report of the Com m i ttee of Supply 'was brought up. Mr. HUME objected to the -vote- 'tat the Education of the Poor in Ireland. He th ought this money ought not to be placed in the hands of the K ildare street Society. The..plan. of education adopted by th em was one in-which the Catholics could not join, and it wa s upon that ground. that he objected to their having the dispos a l of the funds. The only -ques tion between the Protestants an d the Catholics was, whether the Bible could be used with or with out comment. .But thia would appear to be very unimportant, when he stated that not many years ago the Bible Society of this country and the Church of England were at Variance ml the very same subject. A similar schism had existed with reference to the Bell and Lancasterian modes of education, but great a d vantage had since been ob tained from the union of the two Systems. Mr. BUTTERWORTII contended that if the poor of Eng land were educated with proper religious instruction, then the peer of Ireland must be educated -with insufficient or erroneous religious instruction. Ile spoke of the Catholics, and he must say that the observations of the Catholic Bishops cast a reflec tion on Christianity. - The rote was then agreed to. , Mr. HUME made some observations on the vote for the pictures of the late Mr. Angerstein. He hoped these pictures -would be put where•they would he seen by the public, and not like the monuments of Westminster Abbey, which were not to be seen without the payment Of two shillings. It was felt to be a most extraordinary proceeding by the greater part of the nation. Mr. BEAUMONT hoped that Marlborough House would be selected as the place for the exhibition of the pictures of the late Air. Angerstein. • Mr. WYNN said, it was much to be regretted that the Exe cutive had no means of redress against the Dean and Chapter of Westminster for the exclusion of the public. 'Mr. BANKES said, that the ehar r Te-ut the door was 6d. and to see the rest of the monuments Is. (id. Sir J. WROTTESLEY thought it .was a paltry extortion on the part of the Dean and Ch a pt er of Westminster.—_ Ile had been refused a passage through the Abbey without paying 2s: • Mr. BENNET said, that they ought to build some place to put these public monuments in, that the public might see them without being subjected to'the miserable and dirty extortion of the Clergy of Westminster. He. wished to get those valuable articles out of their clutches altogether. Mr. HUME complained. of .the- amount of charges for Con sulage in the Mediterranean, which he said were twice the amount of the American charges. He also complained of the ascendancy . of a certain Company, who exercised undue con troul•in that quarter .of the globe over the. British Government. Mr. Secretary CANNING said, that he was fully sensible of the anomaly and inconvenience of the matter stated by the Hon. Member. He assured the Hon. Member that an fin provement was in contemplation. The remaining votes of the Committee were then read and agreed to by the House. BUILDING CHURCHES. The House having 'rel-olved itself into a ,Committee on the Church Building Acts, The CH ANCLI.LOR of the EXCHEQUER said he should not, upon this occasion, have troubled the House with any re marks, but for the. remarks which had been made at the time he' first intimated the grant for building Churches.' Ile con, fessed 'that he was 'much surprised at the opposition- then offered to the grant. Ile certainly did not expect those who dissented from the. Church Of England to be very anxious `to promote such a proposal, but neither did he expect that Dissenters from the Church of England, or - any Christians,. indeed, would object to the principle of building Churches for the freqUenters of the Church of England. In stating this he assumed that he was able to shew that there was - a defi ciency of these Churches. He certainly should have expected from all who professed Christianity, that the proposition was prima...pas good in itself, and therefore his Ur 4 ti)/lISII Inent was the greater at the opposition. 'What, however, was his sur prise, when he heard the proposal to build churches de nounced as . .blasphemous !—( Hear, hear !)--"-He line* it was' difficult to assign the legal meaning to that word, nor was he now going to make such an attempt ; hut this certainly iras the first time that such a meaning had been given to it. uld hitltitinswme proposition rs g 9t l iop i n t otcis b ol :sent opiinconsistent pton togsi contended ieny,ei at t i i h nwi r a t that to-apply eiao t p l , n t6t not o itn P O remit m gth l a ° tt : we n to osed ay hhbterctohdtuheolag-wdt be condemned as bad in itself, it . passed his humble com prehension to conceive. Another . objection was made', to the proposition, which appeared"to him a singular one. ' was said that it was absurd to call - upon the people at large to contribute.to . the building of these churches; becanse amongst theni Dissenters might be found - whom it wOuld - he.onjust to tax for such an object. :If this principle were carried to its test, it would result , that they could have no established Church at all. They voted every year • a suni of money for the education of the Catholics, which he considered to be in consistent with any prinCiple of the kind contended for. No one 'had deified that it was material theta further sum should be adVinced for this purpose. Fronr the papers before the House it would be seen that after all that had been done; deonsiderable number of persons were still left without the means of religious 'instruction. He knew that there were many aged and infirm persons . who could not attend divine worship, and dissenters who ought to be_taken from the account, but from this Report it would be seen that there were 179 places cOntaining•a popu lation of 3,548,000, in which there was no church accommoda tion for more than 500,000 persons, or about one out of seven. Many were in consequence• precluded from attending divine Worship according to the frame of the Church of England. The cause of this want of accommodation might' be ascribed to the immense increase of our population which had outstripped all ealcidation, and left those parishes which had forMerly suf ficient room .in their places of- worship without the means of accommodating those who would willingly attend them. Many of the parishes thus- situated were too poor to be able to build for themselves,, if they were 'not assessed by the Public. He considered it would be to shew a' most un worthy indifference to the interests of the church and to those of the people if assistance" were - withheld - . A great anxiety: for religious instruction had been manifested. The Churches, which were already completed, had been crowded to the great benefit, comfort, and consolation of those who frequented them. Tnhave those who were anxious for religious instruction to seek it as chance might direct them, would, in his opi-' nion be to.neglect. their duty'rei a - Christian Legislature. 'lt was 'desirable to see what had been already done, and thence judge whether there was not 'room to hope, that from an addi tional grant a corresponding benefit might. be derived. Ile did not mean to say that a new grant of 500,000/. would afrord all the accommodation which he could wish to sec afforded. But if they could not do all that was desirable at once, it was proper that they should now accomplish as - much as they could. and do more when a fit opportunity should offer. The sum of 1,000,0001. which had already been granted for building churches, had not only done all that was expected from it, but had exceeded the calculations and the hopes Of the Conimis sioners. They had expected it to furnish the means of build ing eighty-five churches, which would accommodate 140,000 persons. But the result•was, that 95 churches had been built; or were now, building, which would offer' seats for 153,000 par soas. It ought to be known that the sum of two hundred thousand pounds had been subscribed . in aid of the onenid lion which had been granted by Parliament, and by means of the subscriptions, additional means for the 'accononoda tion of 13,000 persons had been provided. The fact which he had just stated proved that professors of the church were not so supine as they had been represented to be, and that they were not resolved to do nothing but what they were ena bled to do by ,the extravagance, or, as some might think it, the profligacy, of Parliament. He would refer to one or two particular cases, to shew the good which had been effected by the former grant. The - Right.Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to rea.d.papers relative to the attendance at the new Churches at Blackburn, Birmingham, Nottingham, Portsea, Ringwood, and Trinity Chapel,, Bath. These ; which were letters from Clergymen, described the attendance tO be good, most of the pet's which were to be let were- taken, and generally the greatest - practical benefit was realized, , from the effects- Of the grant. He had trembled the House with these- state ments to refute the assertion, that when the Churches were . erected they would not be well filled. Ile had sheath that the Ministers were not likely to preach to empty 'Wall., and" having •already granted' ono.'.tnillion to 'erect 'new Churches; he-thought if the present grant were refused now, when they were much richer than before, and' could spare the sum ten times better.. it. would be -most extraordinary. He did not believe the House would ' act so niggardly and miserable .a, part, or that they would _view this as a mere question of pounds, shillings, and pence.. .He kn ew th at it -might be said that as this sum would not suffice to afford all the ac commodation that was wanted - why did he not ask -for more ; that lie took too little, or he took too much. He should ever not ask for more; but he had no difficulty in saying, that if it were the pleaiure of Parliament to appropriate a larvr sum to this purpose, it would not, be a misapplication of the public money. He, hOwever, "should move for no in - re than the sum which he had first mentioned,- as he felt that if the bounty of Parliament were to extend beyond reasonable bounds, 'those friendly to the Church would not have that inducement t ) exert themselves which it was' desirable should continue to ope rate on them. Hi concluded by. calling on the House to eanc tion :the grant; - and thus contribute to promote an object Which they must feel to be of no' small importance to the country.__ Notwithstandin g the 'observations which had been thrown out when the subject was first mentioned, he seas confident that the Bill which he desired to bring in would pass with but little op- position. He moved a Resolution to " enable his Majesty to give directioni that ;xchequer Bills to the amount of 50,0eu. shOuld be issued to the 'Commissioners appointed to promote the building:of additional Churches and chapels, to be by them applied according to the regulations of Acts of Parliament passed or to be passed." Mr. HOBHOUSE admitted the question, relating as it did to the religion 'of the people, to be one of no small importance. He was aware of the delicate ground on which he stood, as some observations had been thrown out relative to those who were indifferent about such matters. He did not stand as the representative of the indifferent of the country ; but as the representative of the people Of Westminster, he , thought, by opposing the present motion, he should best consult their feelings, and those of the people of England. The Ri g ht H on . Gentleman had spoken o f them being very rich, but he had'not proved that they .were so. If, however, a want of religious in struction were one of the immediate 'wants of the people, he should be disposed to vote for the proposition of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. This however, did not appear to be the case, and if it were he o l u i akvie d the ma h i a b v u e n thought, en thes °f . e Church corre thighly,ntheg e beneficed vliiht. as cnitcwansi might ng to the public. Th e Right Hon. Gentleman had Said he had not objected to the grant for a like purpose for Scotland. But in Scotland there was no established churches highly be neficed as here, on which such charges could be 'thrown. Be cause there a grant had been made in aid of the PreSbyterian Church of Scotland, it by no means followed that a vote . like the present ought to pass. There had been no call for new Churches—not a single Petition on "this subject had beetere ceived. He, however, believed that the religious feelings 'of the country had greatly increased of late years..—(llear !) By • that cheer he understood he was supposed to have ad vanced something which 'made against his own argument.— He believed religion had become more prevalent among the people of late years, but by that he did not mean since the' grant of one million had been - made to erect additional Churches, but he believed that it had been on the increase from the period of the French Revolution. For the forty three applications • which were said to have been made for assistance in this way, 'these did not at all surprise him,' as whenever Parliament should make it known that a portion of the public money was to be given away he had no doubt there would be a sufficient number of persons ready to receive it. They were told that sufficient means were not provided for the accommodation of the people with re spect to religious instruction: In six out of the . eight parishes it was represented that one hundred and thirty-three thousand persons were thus circumstanced. 'He had enquired into this. .In the parish of St. George, Hanover-square, there was supposed to be 33,477 deficiencies. This, 'by the bye,. was assumed from a reference to the census of 1821; which included all persons living there, among whom were many in fants anti others who could in no case ‘atthnd' a public place of .worship. 'lhe Church of St. George, Hanover-square, was certainty thronged ; and a t St. James's the excellent man who there officiated was 80 attended, that to 'obtain a pew it was necessary to engage it seven years before hand. An applicant for a scat was promised to be put on the'liet, but more could not lie looked for..' But in-the parish of . St. George there were three chapels of ease. .The first of these 'at which he inquired could have - furnished one hundred places ; tile second was not'. full ; the third was: -' In St. Ann's Church, it was stated that" there was a deficiency of room for fourteen thousand persons. There was no chapel of ease in that parish, which contained but about t we l ve or fourteen h un d re d h ouses , but he found PRICE StVENPlikeii.- there was nlenty ofrOOmin this Cfnirch., So the statenae s of a deficiency to the' itinount einted was incorrect. In the next parish the deficiencies were 26,319, but then therein* a chapel of ease; in which placeetwere to be, obtained. In, St. Martin in the. Fields, • th e 'deficiencies were 'reported 23,761, but Seats were eaey,tei beigOt.... In St.. Margaret's parish,. Me deficiencies were said to be .10,889. The church was full, but in that parish there were three chapels of case, where seats Might be obtained without dif f iculty. In the Parish of Saint •TOlits, • iogin was wanted for '14,830 additional personae— • That• Church, howeVer, was not at all full, and one of the •sextona had • told him" that -when a sermon, which war ex pected to bring a crowd, was preached; there had been room for more than 100 peeeona. There were inetancee of defi ciencies of reom l in the.Dissenters' Chapels, but this was no • argument in favour of assisting Dissenters to build additional places o r wors hi p. H e did not th i nk that ought to be! done. The attendance at Church had not fallen off, and there was ecaece a tradesman. in Westminster who did not take his family to a place of worship on Sunday, and who would sot be pointed at if he were riot Oslo so. upon She whole be was of opi nion that a general want of accommodation for the purposes of religious instruction had .not been.iproved. It appeared that the 4 ,090;0001: ,expendid "in building Churches had provided aecOmModation for 133,000 .persons. It followed. that the' 5 0 0,0091. now to be voted would preside for about 77,000 more. The Chancellor of .the Exchequer had said he would not stop hero, but proceed by degrees as- Parliament might see fit. But going on at this rate, did the House consider what it would cost to proVide for the 3,024,148, deficiencies which weep stated ,to exist? It Would . cost the country no less than 26 ,000,0001. He thought the present,motion unnecesiary, and nexist in that 'th e intended grant might be served by. instituting don* service, or e v en t re bl e service , a s w as .cannion on the Conti neat. Il e h a d a n o th er. p l an t o propose, which .had al rea d y been suggested by his Hon. Friend the Memb er for -Mid hitt:Ste nam e ly,' that congregations should be a ll owe d to mi. point th e i r own"pastor, subject : tn the approbation of Ihk Bishop of the di ocese , w h o oug ht to possess a -Veto in such cases ; and if the privilege of choosing th e i r bli n i s t ers were granted' to theni ; •he thought th e p ro f essors . o f t h e Ch urc h would' provide plea Of worship .for them se l ves . Si nce h e had been one of the 'Members for Westminster, in whi c h it Was stated theee'Were 133,000' deficiency, he thought his doo r s had been open to a ll, an d . th oug h a ll sor t s o f ot h er comp l a i nts hid been brought under his notice, his, constithentaisad never called his attention' to this subject. Considering there was not that went of accommodation fo r th e people generally, which ; Right on. Gentlean had supposed, he begged to move the following Resolutions:— 7 - " That it appears to thi s C omm i t t ee , t h at t h e sum Of 1,000,0001. sterlin g h as b een a l rea d y grante d out o f the pidie lie revenues, and th a t t h e num b er o f i n di e ld ua l s accommoe dated in the chuiches pro v id e d, or about to be provided, by• means of that grant, wo u ld no t excee d, 163,886 . " That it appears to thi s C omm i ttee t h at a f urt h er sum o f • money is now c a lled 'for by th e Ch ance ll or o f t h e E xc h equer,. for the' same purport.purport.• "-That it app ears to . thi s C omm i ttee , , t h at i n 179 P ar i s h es only, snore than 3:000.000 o f p ersons are state d b y t h e Parlia.: mentary • Returns to be still• unprovided with this req u i s ite.' accommodation; a nd th a t, accor di ng to t h e rate o f experice incurred by providi ng f or t h e d e fi c i enc i es a l rea d y cause d , to • provide f or those stated to ex i s t i n t h e 179 par i s h es, wou ld p itliee isartso f the country. 2 cost the country nearly 20,000,0001., b es id es w h at might be. wan modes of providing wanted fora like purposevidink furn o any " That it a pp ears to . t hi s Committee that therearc otherseveral deficiencies that the accommodation provided for the religious instruction of the 'people,. according to the principles of the .Established Church. • " That it therefore appears to this Committee that it is inex pedient to make any further - grant for the erection of new churches." Mr. Secretary PEEL said nothing could be more - fair .thas the principle, and nothing more liberal and becoMing than the tone in which the Hon. Gentleman had oppoiked the motion.— The lion. Gentleman adinitted that if a want of religious in- • strUctierf weraproied, such a grant was proper; and declared that in such a case he would be among the foremost to support it. ' He however had attempted to contravert the statements of his Right Hon. Friend, and to shake the validity of the argu ments drawn from those statements. It would be his (Mr. Secretary* Peel's) object to shew that he bad not succeeded.— The Hon. Gentleman considered the present motion was Un necessiary, liecause it had not heen called for by the people. He, however, was not disposed to consider an indifference • aboutreligious instruction a proof that.such a measure was un necessary, but should rather be disposed to argue the contrary. • , from that very circumstance. The Honourable Gentleman , should hoWever recollect, that applications for assistance in. this respect had been made previous to the year 1817, and since,. to' the Commissioners who had sat, which,, but for their sitting, 'would have come before the House. The Honourable Gentleman had stated that no complaints had been made to Mat on this subject by the people of Westminster ; and that on in quiry, that several of the churches and chapels were full, but that others were riot so. It might not be improper to ask if. thoSe chapels which were not full were.those in which free ad mission was given to the poor. The object of the present • measure was to secure free admission to those who could not afford to pay. But the Hon. Gentleman contended that • as the present vote would only provide for the accommodation e'f but 77,000 persons, it was doing a mere nothing, and not worth doing at all. But was it an argument against doing any , thing that all which might be desired could not be done. Ha referred the Honourable Gentleman to the salutary effects produced in many cases by one member of a family going to - - a place of worship.' The presence of one person who had so : frequently rebuked and corrected the improper habits of others, and parents had in many cases been redefined from the vicious practices in which they had indulged by their children who' had had the benefit of religious instruction. The be •' nefits derived from religious worship were not . lireited the effects produced on those who actually attended a place of worship. He hoped to be able to show the Honourable Gentleman that the vote was not so useless in point of amount. as he might suppose. He thought, in looking at the populae tion of a place, they ought to make an 'allowance for infants and infirm and other persons, who,. from various reasons, could not attend a place of worship. ' He was not quite sure. Olathe ought to exempt' the Dissenters from the number of those who would attend a church if accommodation were pro-- • vided, as many went to dissenting. chapels not because they objected to the rites of the church, but because they preferred • hearingelivine worship in those chapels to none at all. Mak.. ing the proper deductions, he did not think it unreasonable to • • suppose that a fourth part , remained who desired church ae- • commodations. Supposing the inhabitants of a place to amount to 10,000, he thought, lie might, calculate that 2,600- Would be anxious to receive religious instruction, and on this supposition it would be seen that a grant of 600,0804 might enable the GovernMent to do much good. The population of Manchester amounted to 187,000. The fourth part of them was about 46,929. Now as .of this number, 22,468 were at present accommodated, it followed that but 24,461 remained to • he 'provided for. At Birmingham the population exceeded 100,000 Perkins. The fourth of these was 25,000. Of that number,l6,ooo were already accommodated with the means of obtaining religious instruction, and but 10,000 remained to proe vide for. At Leeds, the population amounted to 84,000. The fourth Part beieg about 20,000, and 10,000 being now aceom-. modated, it remained to furnish the means of religious instrue- • tion according to ,the principles of the Established Church en • about ten thousand persons more—diminishing -thus the .three- • millions of persona wanting the means of religious instruction, it would be seen how important the grant would r eee . which it was propOied to take. If it were not -so, -nothi ng . could be' more fallacioes than to argue becauee.4oo,ooo/. is tots smell a Sum to effect all we could wish, we will theref ore d e nothing. He would say, they ought -to .do what they could, in - the hope that the. seed now sown would produce a future harvest of great advantage to the country. But the Hon. Gen tleman had said, why not institute a double . service 1' He ad-- witted this to be an expedient which might co-operate with the grant ; but that which the Hon. Gentleinan had suggeeted, - was already done. He knew that in many places treble service.- was performed, and in some instances, he believed five services • were performed. It would thus be seen that the principle's contended for by the Hon. Gentleman had been carried further• • than he had proposed that it should be carried. But in some , populons place§ there was a difficulty in doing this, as oth er • religious ceremonies were to be, performed 'which-ought not se • be hurried over. Marriages, burials, and • baptisms, were to he attended to, and in addition to these :at different periods • the Sacrament. , He doubted much the policy .of encouraging.-- • congregations to build chapels, by allowing them to choose' their own pastors. The plan might not be unworthy of consi deration, but they ought to adopt it with great cau ti on . He would state the situation of several populous places, such, /10