The Sun. — London, England, 1815-05-31 00:00:00

4,0•• • ~fe, pi CO ° 7,0)" ' o ptri' to, tbe ‘ van 113'1 r ho• r•P .t c • tY .• ~~, ~i~~~~~ . • ft! . , lt er • , • . . 1 J, • t .. ~. . .. . 4,,.., ; ",°!.. .6). going into ihe! no reran was bound to concede In_ore 1111,"1i l' e, of , 1 ,', 1 ", 4 16 „,,,: . t:t , ' :.'"L!•••• refused, triey tvoeld I liiieelit proper. . lie _had ellsveys resavde a d the iii," 4C "aint l ' ! ! '• I ''• ; ! •eli•fi • Jiii i i:r tote. - out ! im•esuke itself as the grehtest seetitity , Isla Ile Is olot sett ee , „ ~.% „ s ~ MIS, a .); l., ' b 11 ' (2( fifi' . . " "'''' ''t!S th e r ite '' s 't . 'th It: ` ill(fli , ht t hat the Lethol:ee would be •Wista and ilib' der St-'•••ei, ' ,:, I ':; i• I 'hs. , •l'l enable tltee House, prodeet to consider bow ler they Ceuld epoitely pie ect, h a ..; ~ tr prepe re foi completing the with the wislivs, (fr ,if 7/°" please, . tv'tit, r it e e-t toesito,relo_r.b( dyines. their present Reis. He : judices of the Protestant Gov••rninelit. Ihe . Rign )t _ 14111111 " ha " ,; " ()tie (if the 'vie e s o f t e,: se G oo l e - • flon. Gentleman highly praised the coodata i d Irl ',' llll 'Yrit‘t os sls ?keo against the no tiro to be fair - Mr. Grattan, and hoped that the treatment he ha • e t 1 I I! i e lt y t . te i i l i an at fo r a ' re•We.'ing t heConi ! thittee. bid their received from individuals, wonld not indirec t hint ie. , (hiss to enf n restriet e o n the rya s t 'ree thaf claim ? Th V thi ng ti , Your dietatiou ; patiOn call on the ,to vOte • asainst a question which could nothat ). didnott-itethis • ' considered as of th e highest intere s t. i tion, _ tould be" reh he!. oi!ly Y wi;ll . F , :! - th'k no 7 ! 1 ‘ ....hr. P,EE Lif. objected et) the motion'of the Hon. o i. to t h e tit _ o mut, in the way of informa- I Baronet, as he conceived it Would he derogatory • . ) ar i d • e mo.' teteut that it could be' afford- ' - to the character and dignity of the Clouse to en 111'er " "• 7 4 ,1 3 the re l . „ ' , . . their hit, the c , . .01e. perfectly consistent to i Pertain it. 'rue condition ti •der pretensions on -- " l ttee, to consider liow far I formerly supported it was, draft-securities ghat were justifi 'y . from th 3ePhrities . ' l-1. differed able, and to know 4 cessary. e thereforewere-ne whi..ch the House spoke last, in the as etit ' All the 1 , 1 . w- was necessary to exact front j the Right lion. Gentleman who . ~ reel to o , - oeslecteons, that he heard with re- i opinion that these were of no consequence. If th e propo luF Yet°, were extremely irrelevant to ; the Committee were entered into, V(' th e it i sit , i 'll s , for going into the Committee ; I be the same as it was last year, and wo II ot o l s y t ", the result would[ tern c „,„ Tit kion. Gentleman (Mr. Yorke) had I produce disunion and dissentions. It was c m ... telep t to al.'"te!y.rhisinformed respecting any at- ; material to look at the Resolutions and pr . oo , eed . cote,' Matteassure the Po - pe. So far froth it, he l ,ings of those who ere Jim leading authoritt•sof l II' qt in that a distinguished person seas I the Catholics of Ireland; and he would say, that , 1 1, Pr o p os i o w, y tr, this country from Rome, with : if the motion of the Hon. Baronet were adopted, 1 "Wil y ac t ml which he thought would prove ! there was no prospect of coming t o th e result ] that 4 11tI th o s . :;P l able to the British Government ; was expected. The Honourable Baronet had told , tq s i t ' , ` s i re if the Committee should continue ! us, -that the result would be , to receive assurances ',','igbt be " 11 .objections wcinici be removed as : of gratitude front the Catholics ; but he should ( l'e diso °L 'ieiht adverse to the measure.: have thought that he would have been the last to -i'airet t 0 '. . 1 ' - " lt e of the Catholics in their own : talk of the gratitude of the Catholic Committee. ,''sto , vo sa o g a matter of conscience : bet the ! When we were , told by hint that it was not wor t h il ti reeds (4 t1 1 " 1 have the e ff ect Of , l acing in the while to squabble about the subject, it was wort li tooan c e i 'rotes t e.s.. - ""k pOliticiatis the affairs of the while to take a short review of the proceeding d s " I st ,„ - ui rch, end silS would be liable to the "• which led to the Petition, and the causes through I vcill e i 4t.erial "blections. Such an interference , which it devolved upon the Hon. Bart. The Right_ tai' tra ct rise to Sectarians in that Church, as Hon. Gentleman then referred to various printed tilt too a risen ill the Protestant Establishment. - Papers, and described the history of the body called .c,l sli oti o r : ( t.ever ! the differences rnielit lee, they ' the Cathelic Association, headed by Mi 1 • 8 011 o od - What hail the st.tud in the way of the Committee.: nell. It originated at-the beginning of p ee to effect Passed out of doors ought ill no de- , was fOrmed of Catholic Peers, 1 9ata, a „. O , e 't the riterits'of this'que•stion. It had and other persons of considerable It the sons of . P ' ee a rs, prerga.tho throe t . ) ueee prophesied that delay would soon was considered as a body soi Iviottee Catholics into the hands of disaffected delegated by rile . ,e. lies of Ireland, and entrusted with the l i i na i ti rers lett ee on ut , Persons ; but no description of vio- meat of their affairs.. But two of the ~ e n at ori ith.e.rits alte r toe t he part of-iralividuals ;oueht at all to having been arrested for undue interferenceos of the great• question itself. As elections, and being convicted, the body was vas t leth e o es el lef is withheld, the lower orders of tensibly dissolved. An Aggregate Meetne,s tel t ia h sc, 'arc. furnished with a weapon with then called, which declared that that association haft o , o t ici exercise their purposes of mischief, had the full contithince Of the Catholic Body.. ted the or ' oo l t.wo.llld otherwise fall harmless to Catholic Board or Aggregate Meeting contini I , ll ltel ett ' i tt o ° • The Hotionrable Gentleman then in operation_ till last year,dissolved 141 4 h eeo the co of the Catholics, which by the Lord Lieutenant, declaring it .to be anotherd when it was „.n QrattelOs 1 2 % 4 14'c:wed, and inivetting to Mr.' illegal body. • A short time afterwards iii Passed a ~ ( . e cun ifts; to present the. Petition, he; Aggetegate Me' eting lens held, Pod one of the. • . e I , ieti ,le t u, r . i o ntilzio,;ll. 4" s Plehii i i l if l a i h e o ll o c i u e l s ti f" on his unvaried zeal sesiutions advised every weedier whc composed e-- • was 4 1 1Iffe l• no o which -rte trusted would title. illegal assembly to persevere. A Litter . ee, ' in •_sco• gl'e at , ' a cause, and even written to every individual to form what is . o -et, i n to iese t o ~ . -see • the triumph of an called a .voluntary association. It was at B t he . re ,"'ltinistoo e , • success of which he had taken" so quest of this association that the -Hon. Ba r onet t a t (Sir otte'srto_oi;i• Varnell) h a d 4 iett' i i ee' l : l4 , a Part• He knew that his Hon. • had undertaken to present the Petition. . e reluctantly under- would ask whether any Gentlemau, who had iwibt 11•4(Iteuede l i'' t es e i et ' and he could have. wished it ' neased the agitation and disturbances. excite( y Posed t h at e t t o e • aerc it xi - es. it was dot to be sup- these two bodies, could' believe that they ? augure i d , " , I: the kind e , r , e ," a sing le Ca • Coolic in any part any indications of peace and concord Funds l u ' o tr ol t ri tf lif_ t ,. l l•'it ' il l• O l ' l v se w .. tlid ) oe it eit-toally stad at the button froxi every householder, by a cootie- . t' • uce oil it '. 'as: pray it to go into the bution of . ten-pence, to defray the expences of d to si e 'thin e !, ,4 c aims. tithe Ise e '11" ili a ; '' ' ' lea. 1 ' T . • • —I . ' only the Petition, and every person who refuse . 'ter detailing h '' r led th e p m : h , (1 -' - ‘ great prOnertV who had not coetribute had his name marked. After , t °of that „-sani,'-and therefore- there was no many more of the tent s . of , o (o 'ey did not all recognize' the con- proceedings of this body, k to i ; promote the objects they had in view, he l as asked, Pleie ad '.. 'Che irritation that hail emu- ' whether any hotly of men who had actec , b i l l e p( 1 d elay of was the necessary consequenc e of , such ie. ~ :stet s., .. • . _ , to . . ask every principles could do any thieg favoula to , oat. 2 „inlet pi omas elation could not but the peace or Ireland ? and also he would , Iesotta:11• The minds of many from this re aote , had heen greatly alienated individuals in ' Grand Juror of Ireland who had a seat in that o die Resolo- H ou se, wh e te e r.h e would consent t th e es - } , ' tiy tii., system that had been pursued, and dons drawn up by men who wereformerlywhom Mcm et!, I:x,lspiile would be still More seriously follow- hers of this Cettliolic Board, and bythe was a eoe, ;hiess the: Claims (Jr the Catholi cs wer e con- Bill that had bee" printed and circulated, i4oos ) thi s , t 'Y the wisdo m of Pa'ytiiw.t..nt. But when - now attempted to be forced upon h t i l l e beca unani -- Atbe ao `_ t _ s eoee, sse• might completely defy all the Speaking of Mr. O'Connor, oii ko , s of the diseffected.who Soh-Committee, - mously check.tt a Member of the ,1 a t- hilepist ' • ,) r o o ' which `? l3 11,, Ilene • stated, that. the majorite in most iothunmatory sentences from a speech 0 ,_ the ..t a ,, e 1 , ; ;-'s.hcvn egahist openiug till the offices in the he had delivered in 1813, on the subject bat l i de_ h e t o,_", t hC Catholics, and many who had i•oted Bill alien brought ;forward. Th.is person measure, io6to,•;oieeasioli tor the Caiholie claims would ietibed the speeches made against the : o u b _ may txjz,:::low.take a different course. No reason as " ruffian shouts," and added, ' . r 1 , ever t so o ot e o'oui aey pertietilar case, as ill that of this he the last shout of English vi .. ct l o l y the toim . ,, ':e seldiers, stated by the. Hon. Baronet for poor, fallen, and deluded Ireland.. . 1..!Y • the tleet',„;l9.the question geuerelly, as provision for day-:star of Ireland arise, (by this said Ire )aatoro'hebe :leek by a short Bill. 'file Hon. !Might Honourable Gentleman, I suppos e , :W0ti1t,,,,',1.-,1 tilt,,,,',1.-,1 • •• ed elle claim es one of • tight, ' meant the present Bill), and break )y to rivet on It t o , l ` t ft ` -e -: e ~.dieved in that House could regard gence tl:e chains which they are about , ire of the Atea y, ` I I ' ' 1 (io,cstion of. expediency ; the Catholic my country." Stich was toe langua o the House t• ethire ; I `,." t -'ver, from their conduct, sieemed to ', m a n Who had drawn up the Bill which, butvliich it - could eight. :is.cetieely as a cl a i m not of favour, 'but of was now called on to accept, .e_ all, preten- , 'hit tti c he Pope. had appeared inclined t o concede, not sanction without abandoning sirit which bad 4 lidi . athOlic:-.body seemed to wish to lning in , stuns to Legislation. After the Catholics, p it WYSS 11 ;lee : , (1. "ell a nature as would insure its being • been manifested Ey the Keenann wsu egested would l)es s a to , ithough their opinion Was nut to be op- in vain to hope_the measure . now "' to proceed in Ilbuse taus of the 'head of their eherch. The i prove satisfac tory. It .. teas ns or conditions were ' )( -)0 1 , - . 1 t s i not to-be dictated to by theCatholie . the business if any restrictions which they thei r 11`;,;;"1,0e thought some further explanation on ! •to be attached to . the . . a..i . :act of injustice, to Glititi . ,;,,,! was necessary, aud eertainThoctrines ; weieeeto make. .It . , it c ' e l,. .t e s lL -equired by the ROlll2lll .14 !ght 1:1 1 , ° Jr. Milner) of some of their body i withhold teat yV tuc w a ouid agree, that the Resolu -I"iq re ~ e (Usarowed. The opinion of the Pope, ,;.,- Ca:hohcs . , then he . sl have eassed were things ''' l! . le s '''):red, (Meta () be taken as to the extent ; Lions -which they ino, it . I 11 ,iiia ,;N ) lrittial •:,-, - • ,•••• Hy as iii ! which ought not to be regarded, bet if it were ar int in 1 wers, more especially la they were called upon to ' l 'j 4 i"ti . ,i`` ) Pe had formally declared that all oaths ! gued that that which. 1 Catholics, then it be- Au • see t lie ell 4 rell Were lien and void. tic Saw enact was to conciliate tee . 4 (~;(. -,.)(, duct, 1„ that , Could Possibly arise from' going into : came necessasy to revert to their former con I . eesure must •••• l alitt;. .' • don't 'to shew that in this respect , t it. mt. . b l l'e u ,-. • "/ as the Catholics said, if you el se '-what • ' that nothing tve (lenient), we will take nothing prove nugatory, as it would appear . Il e : • would AL,. should therefore oppose the motion. less than the whole of what they require . t • PoN s , , , • olutioU of He then read the resoluti on es ' too . , 9NBY uechited that be would not en- content them. . 1813, in which terry de - -4 0 - eft _ any debat e upon the subject, as he had the Catholic Board in ' tvattiop. delivered himself upon it, that repetition dared, that they thought at that particular time their resolution oi ii ti , sel ,'e as tediou s to the house es disgusting to • it was necessary to re-adopt earl '', Ile w ashowever` •declared that as Irish- I - new- - 1810, in which they had 0 , ready, , to aL % , _l., he, that ne•tl '' men anti as Catholics, they could never admit f NaS the _ . 1 lei the time nor the mode chosen interference on the part of the Crown in the lit e conulost Judicious. But he would vote for any of their Bishops. Nn settlement could " opn o tn ' i " c e oftly t hat the House might have nomination i r• I the resolution went on to declare, t hat i :, It unity of inquiry. If it could be thought •be Como eta ' conceded. This resolution was i..„, i , p(, : i i man who voted for the Coicmittee was till this point b wasa remarkable speech from a certain li es, 1,,," 1 , 4) adopt the resolutions of the. Catlio- ! introduced y f k laugh.) He referred oole. . i to the iii i ot: 1")Il lti say, that this 'WOOht be a /wryer- - Dr. D I rw r g that person, in order to sleety that it Ilio e0,, V1 the olsjeets of the Committee ; for 1)0 : speece o titan probable the author of it averted eto s3 "" , l be brough t him' the subject of religion, : eras nwre even with . the Bill which it was Pro soo. ‘;hen the whole House in a Committee . not be contented lrili ht. He then read part of the hitorvc-;uothe r egulations, In votiug for the Coin- . proposed ti l a ti ) ett ft was asserted, " That the Es -liiigi4 :.'e held himself free as to any vote he speech in . ' 1 b ch could not be shaken, if built ho t ,„ hire i t , it ; 'nod he protested against beiug teblished Cur . that „ dt o it would in case brave (unit itoo,,,er suppo it the question .: he consieered it, on a rock, ll the storms of time, but if; built up b,ppiii„,, to wvolve the peace, security, and the jered a human power could support it. It ti. e c q the whole community. Yet, though on Band, no • ' iith o l . l;, , • v a in inent affected the power -e4 ienialit nea seut t \v i sa( t h e y p l ea kd e was in that Tarlia ' of ,'pmnipotertee, find aec.'reed it :Itotilti - eXist—it was iir'stein that . the lazy churchman should call to the way . ehtnan'on the towel:, that the church \V •ts . Ci r :4 • cr ; these could mit,save it, though novelty haying had its tinie 'mist fall, - and nOthing:•but the mischief which it had canSed wirad rettlain-7 Sn'th Avas the speech :whichbad preceded .the Re 7 sohitions unanimously voted by the- catholic 11 . 4,611. Frolll ibis it would be seen - there wai; little proSpect of effecting the arranc,rement so much desired ;•blit if proof. were still .wantiug, he would read the Resolution conie to .by Roman Catholics, on the ecclesiastical clauses of the late Bill. He proceeded to read thelZ . eiofution•which declared the proviSions of- that . Bill to-be-utterly in compatible with the Roman CatholieChdrch and their religion, and such as they could not accede tO withoutinctirring the guilt of schism. He next referred to the Memorial Circulated by Dr. Milner in the lobby of that Hous,:., Ma 21, 1813. That paper he thought it was unnecessary to dwell upon, as it must 'be still in the recollectibii' of thellouse.. He 'remembered at the time it had been treated with much ridienie, and particularly by a Right Hon. Gentleman, now his Majesty's Ambassador at - Lisbon, who contended it would be absurd nk to pass a law inconsequence of such a paper. Yet, on'the 29th of the same month, the Rowan Catholics resolved in full synod, after being informed of the existence of this docu ment, " That• the Right Reverend Dr. Milner, their vigilant and incorruptible agent, their power ful am! unwearied advocate, continued to possess their esteem, their confidence, and their • grati tude." Under these circumstances, it was not to be-expected, that by agreeing to the present mo tion any thing could be done that would conciliate the Catholics. lie had understood those who for merly supported the Bill to declare, that if they failed of • carrying that measure, and of giving satisfaction to time Catholics they would give up the cause, and not continue tO agitate the question year after year. If they were sincere in this de claration, and he hoped it had not been used as a mere argument to catch a few votes, he trusted it would now be acted upon, and that they would be forethOst to oppose the renewal of that, which in the present temper of the Catholics of Ireland must prove an unavailing discussion. • it. might not .be . re . ceive4. with proper gratitUde. In ijecgfo:(l to the, politics of particillar he ;considered them as:-obstacles to the general meaS!n-,e, but not as reasons that would render it : dap ge tts, respect to !he - present monient, he could riot disuise : the true eha.acter of Itis feelings, and therefore . he 'cottld not refrain from paying.dtte hotriage to that efilinctutindividital whoen the Catholics lead formerly entr; :st - ed• their pre - teriSiolis: They hAd, .rem, , vid it frvm his hands, • and therefore th could not doubt that • their ;:lqins were brought forward lit a spirit of contr i kst to that, of last . year. They Calile to Parliament in a perfectly tiff. ferent character, anti claiMed as an acc ot justice. at our hands, that they should be received into our cou§tittit,i . on s withotit oftering.any security to our E. ( . clesi.lstical State. It as open to him,. in tlds state : of the caSe, to Sari; that he would • not go into the Committee; -but . he Wished to give the House an opportunity of marking . their opi=. 'dons on the subject of unqualified concessions to the Roman Catholics of Ireland c- he was tho roughly persuaded,. that until they changed their course oi conduct, England Ivoidd be 'hostile to their claiMS, and that they would be going down the hill; without atkancing: a step.. : If theobject was to take the sense of Parliamept on impialified concession, he was far front wishing to shrink from the question, and should desfre to give a de cided opinion.• Mr. WHITBREAD, concurring as he (lid with the Noble Lord as to going into a Committee, could not agree with hint that the Committee should purely proceedto'negatii'e the proposal of the Hon. Baronet, .withont: discussing song, tnea sure to settle the claims of the Catholics. In the Session before last, the Committee had been , Sit J. NEWPORT 'contended that it was not for Parliament to wait till the four or five millions of individuals who were their petitioners, come una nimously forward in a spirit of conciliation. It was unjust, because sonic individuals among them might have expressed themselves rashly or unad visedly, to)refuse • to take their grievances into consideration. He wished to put down the agita tors by taking away their ground of complaint.— The present question was one which ought to be decided upon by jirdgment, .not by feeling. lie should vote for going into -the ComMittee, and then he was of opinion the proper time would come for examining the resolutions of the Hon. Baronet. Dlr. BRAGGE BATHURST opposed the 11106011.- No doubt the resolutions proposed might be aIL rered in a Committee ; but if the ilouse,.as he believed to he the case, ww.s not inclined to adopt theist in - substance, was it a Parliamentary course to entertain resolutions merely to show hoW far it could deViate from them ? lie thought that a better effect would be produced on the Catholic populatioU by rejecting the residutions, as : it would show theta they could not carry their iioint in this way, induce them to withdraw from their present leaders, and come forward in the only way in which concessions could be made. • Lord BINNING was prepared to go into the Committee, though he plight vote against every one of the Resolutions. He hail heard with re gret the historical detail which his Right Hon,' Friend had gone into with respect to the Catholic loard: What did it prove but that their miscon duct had been great, though he did not draw from it that no attention should he paid to the claims of the Catholics. What was it to hint that-Mr. O'Connell or Dr.. Droingoole had made . furious speeches ? He regretted their influence, but it was to take the Catholics out of the hands of r srtch agi ttitors that he should ote for the CoMmittee. He regretted that, the former-Bill for their relief was thrown out, and was sorry that their cause was' now exposed to a partial defeat from the very na ture of the Resolutions proposed. It could not be denied that Parliament had shewn a concilia tory spirit towards the Catholics, which their pre sent Leaders had not returned :1 - fe regretted this, as tending to irritate the minds of the Protestants of this country. He lamented also that the Pe tition of the Catholics was not now in the hands of the Right Honourable Gentleman with whose name their cause must be perpetually Connected, (Hear, hear !) and whose conduct appeared to be always dictated by the purest patriotism, as well as the most conciliatory views. Mr. BANKES had never before heard any per sons state their rights in this broad manner. They said that they would give no security to . the Esta . - Wished - Church : but it would be impossible - for the (louse, either now or at any other time, to grant them those claims which they demanded, until the church of Rome should entertain diffe- rent opinions of those whom it called het etical. Until that time should arrive, Parliament would not consent to invest that body with political power. Those who professed the established religion had a right to say, we cannot give von any extension of privileges, unlest you are Willing to give uksecurity. Some of the most intelligent men in the coantry had endeavoured to form something tending. to wards satisfactory security but that which we looked upon as a pallacea was treated as an abo mination. To say that the House would go,into aCommittee, merely to,vote against every one of the propositions, would be insulting to the Ca thOlics ; but as their • petition was totally 'un coupled' With any securities, they could not ex. pect that the House ‘vould grant their claims. Lord CAsTLEJtaAda, would de'tairi the House only a few mintites; in order to state the portico-, lor grounds of:the vote which he iuteaded.trigive, He Could assure his Right Hon, Friend (Mr. Peek), that although his vote would air this oe ."simi differ front his, his sentiments,_did not at all vary from ‘vhat he had formerly declared. He pt;rfecily agreed,that the only satisfactory way of considering the questiou•was•, to establish feelings of conciliation ; but he was not prepared to-€ . oy, that this measure must uecessttrily tail, becawe granted, the Bill broil - gilt in, 'and the first clause lost only by a majority of four. Ile .therefOre considered the principle to have been carried; and that after one or two Sessions he should find this great cause, not of the Catholics alone, but of the whole country, triumphant. Ile was convinced that since 1813 the course of the Catholics had been• wrong, especially in reirioving their . Petition. from the hands by which it had been sanctified. The principle had already been acknowledged, that the Navy, the Army, .and the Bar, should. be thrown open to the Catholics, and hecause Mr. ,O'Connell node a fdrious speech, and became the unexpected ally of the Chief Secretaty for Ireland, because Dr. Droingoole made an absurd one, were they not. to be alloWed to go at a period. when they were so.mnch wanted both in the army and in theonavy ? Should the House.-go into the Committee merely •to negative the Resolutions j .and would the Noble Lord refrain from proposing that to which all the House would assent. He did not perceive the least reason which should have prevented the Catholics fvo`in accepting the Bill of .1813. If it were in his power, whether they wished for it or not, lie would give it to theiri, nod ni.ke them as much inheritors of our Con stitution as we were. He should vote far the propokition of -.is Honourable Erienil, as the only course which could be pursued under the present circumstances. .flad he been asked whether he thOught it would be proper to bring on the Ca tholic question this Se'ssion, he would have sus pended his own judgment, and have said, ask Mr. Grattan. Lord CAStLEREAGU and Mr. PEELE severally explained.' Air. W. POLE corroborated the historical view drawn by Mr. Peele of the Catholie . Committee- . --- reprobated their conduct, and defended the pro priety of acceding to the present motion, though. not with a view to support the Resolutions. 'Mr. W. ELLiOT said, he should - vote for Ott Committee, but by no :means pledge ,himself to the measure of his Hon, Friend'. He should pur sue the same course now as in the: year .1813. Patliament, be .thought, should rise superior - to the indignation which certain - speeches might be calculated to excite, and should not visit the er rors of a few upon a - tvhole community. Sir N. COLTHURST supported the motion. ii'r. V. FITZGEItALD spoke in favour of it, and said he should vote in consistency with his former sentiments, and hope for better times. ;sir. Husmssou should vote for going into a Committee, and lamented that the conduct of the Catholics themselves should be likely, to .retard the progress of-their cause. Mr. GRATTAN (lift not ‘v.i.,11 to give a silent vote under the circumstances in which he was placed. He should vote for the Committee, -considering the question merely to be, whether the CathOlic Claims should be discussed, and not binding him self to support the Resolutions of his Hon. Friend; nay, ha would go. so far as to say, that some of those he could not, support. It was absolutely, indispensible toconsidet the feelings of men on the practicability of carrying the question. lie con - derimed.all applications for unqualified emancipa tion--(Hear ; because, knowing, as he did, the sentiments of thousands on that point, be was convinced that it - would not pass: Ile meant to support the Catholic question with a most despe rate fidelity : hut unless the Catholics displayed a spirit of conciliation they would not succeed : he had told thetas so before, and now repeated it he would further say, that a.spirit of conciliation was not only necessary to their interest, but to their duty.. If they did not succeed, it would not be through want of candour on the pall of the Pro- , testants, but through want of prudence and disa. eretiori on their own : he could excuse the warmth of young men, and would not attribute it to the Catholic Board. 'Hie sentiments with which he should enter the ConnuiCtee had been already rem g;itered. Sir H. PAalgtt.i., -In reply, urged the necessity of going into a Committe-After Which the House divide.dt— For going into a Committee.. Against it 9.28 Majority a;ainst the question,. ---;•81 The other Orders of the Day were the disposed of.----Adiourned at One o'Clociz this Morning. PARLIAMENTARY_ PAPERS. ABSTRACT OF IMPORTANT PARLIAMENTARY • PAPEItS.•—(Th Ge con:juiced regte/ril-ly.) The Btu, to amend the Act of the 13 Geo. 111. for the better Pres ,, ..t . ',o 'toil of (i,imc Pipit ZM otizoid. . The above il has g011E! hrough a con):nittee of th e w h o l e House tow ,„" . s ; Its principal provision is the pr,,:!;,t)i lion of Mui.-inirning iu .`3otland, uuder the peurilty of lute or irapri.v.Junteut,