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i not was the ling - , lo°r iSPJf s ide ieu don. then Y, Id a ovea right ; the m f the ~ .. "~ beds velve n, or the. the the stern . the great )ei4 . ; Bight ; whe° ence' abin s rune ; 011 3 afro., 1 tome' der under Df the s au °. left noW. fa s; 1~ tatio o thef a t the Lord ; ( t6l f . we° l a ws;; , u po , alit ill' ..P. , " j ig& • >t bet it nt via" o el°'° ,e eces it !rtt %/34 In beilr. s ces 6 ortiint' a) 1 en' 6 b~c P' to the , ess 6 ~~ air co 8 , fin ce ,.... 44 ,cr Dc4 where was &again i at that time ?=- `or the most part nn.the Has , •witness dosed the tent, leaving them so ?—Yes. what position was Bergami in, when witness saw him On Dt small bed ?—Lying on his back• id the Princess seellergami so lying ?—Yes. 11 41 time Princess tithe the bath at any time?—Yes. More than once I—Yes. • I , es, 13 ° You remember her going below on such occasions ? • Who went below with her?—Bergami. Da alI th ese occas i ons . did mi go below with tier a " . 41 Highness I—Yes ; and in all operations. () n occasions which rendered it necessary for the Princess s '„ ° ;,t lu ,helow, did Bergami go with her I—Yes ;- he went down "o her when she went to the water-closet. ve l s or what eer purpose the Princess went below, was she or 4s ti 'she not accompanied b y Bergami I—She was. v e - :-as lie at any time seenßerganai sitting on the deck 1— "as he ever seen the Princess with him upon those occa -.luns have seen Bergami sitting on a gun, and the Prin te6s sitting, on his knees, kissing each other. , this kissing been only once, or istore than once?— ?re than once been only shChen the Princess walked, whose arm did she take, or did • take the arm of any one, and if so, whose I—The Prin- When walking, took the left arm of Bergand for the - dways—for I . have never seen her take the arm ''- t ;' , 3" one else . . la ' the witness, enring the voyage, seen any joke or tricks • -,-ed Ber ' •aMi? . --I have. I C a t ti v, he eve r see this iii the presence of the Princess ?—Yes, 9eseribe wh a t it is to which you allude?-.-I have seen hint „. iee under the. Grecian robes he had on, put pillows and i, 4tbi "as, and make sonic motions to make her Royal High -et, laugh, ~t , lVliere were t h ose cus hi ons p l ace d ?—Down his stomach. 'e witness made a motion with his hand.) t• d ,-e aoimc o r General--Below his stomach ?—Yes. cots the witness know what that was to represent ? . Mr, Wil l i ams objected to the op i n i on of the w i tness b e• thg t. tak e , H ou se •• to infer from facts, nut the "ito e , • •e were. I° w ire Lord Chancellor--If the witness says he does know, Ti ntaY follow that by a (lacono°. 1,„ "e question repeated.—lt was sonic tricks to make us all 4 1 ', as w e ll as h er R Highness. Hialiness. h e•Solicitur•GeneralLThat is not the answer. Repeat m t „ ( Pmesti on .—D oes h e k now w h a t th o s e cushions were meant l' e f i resent I—As far as 1 know, it was buffoonery. p i l t tre this tent w a s erected on the deck, where was the li it , e ess in the habit of dioing?—Ljnder the Sallie tent. Gr " usually ed with the Prcess uuder the tent 1— 1)- 411 Y Bergami ; always Berga in mi. oth e r t hese two persons generally dine alone or with some • i,Person I—Sometimes alone, sometimes with William, 'C a t was. reputed to be her Royal Highness's son. Tr e " u i (lid her Royal Highness call William either in her ▪ ri te ace o r w h en he was absent?-,Stine called him William, 11 - :,, s called bins Prince and sometimes have suer' her Royal Zu W h e , s give him some token of affection as a mother dears o u 'er • chi time time Bergami and her Royal Highness slept on eck d. -in the oight, where did the little Victoritia sleep 1— 11. 43 ,, t ,'•"'al called 'the maid's was far two maids, so When her ne s e; highness went to sleep on deck, one of her Royal High t, sl e r haids weft. to sleep ill her room, and Victorina went w e nin the same room with her. All 4s this the same loom under the deck to which you before ' • —Yes. ton„ Ynu remember the Christian name of Bergamo . ' ?—Bar loint You recollect any thing which took place on St. BarthO eorai,';'' Die, on hoard ?—I remember being at Syracuse, sal K frau; the Holy Land ;un that night there was a gene tlrui;lth"i"ation in the ship. Bergami made the crew all t t't• ihk i 41)41 gave them a dollar a piece; and when they w ere ►th e sailors sh o uted Long live the Princess 1 " %tillg:1 we the Chevalier 1" et ,lie this w as go i ng on , were the Princess and Bergami tk e a er ?—fierganii was walking on the deck, applauding 1) l tho ors• The Princess was sitting on the deck.. ta rt „, )(nt remember the Princess walking that night I— l re lu.)er her wa lking. nt, whomnl—With Bergami. %t hat way ?—Arin in arm. ••••I `t you remember seeing Bergami embark at Terracina.? ism,, re ntember seeing him embark in the launch, and saw the come back cm py. .. ‘t °w loa g , was he away 1-1 - 1 was absent there days. w l *h , tt time did he retorn I— e During the nigbt. tv i ie s the P r i ncess on b oar d at t h e t i me ?—Y es . "e did Ber4aini go on his arrival I—The Princess went 11, ent et him at the top of the ladder, and they both together e uad „ the tent. he t eat afterwards dosed ?—Yes. remain under the tent all night ?—Yes. o r „ nes, go to Jaffa or on any part of the land lour -144 ° saw tire Pri ncess mount, and then he went o n 14 -I*. de e — ergami came back had be any new order I— The C o Ao f, this Holy•Sepulehre. - ` l44 e - tith er 1-04 huard, the Order of St. 'Caroline was b o ; and lie. was one. l' atig s , '\ !;e know what ran ii k Bergami held in that Order ? A A I , lste r of the Order. .-- I l erta, ?holier he has ever in Italy been examined by any Yet 4 , "'Welling the conduct of the Princess on this voyage . At b hat P Ice • —At Milan. re m e know the name of the Genteman by whom, or he- Wl l°ll, he •uas examined I—The Advocate Ditna-Cardo. WV," was it t—ln December last year. i-)ia ' i te did he go after that I—To Naples. ,Y . 4, ' l) go about his own affairs I—Yes. _ c ` . l :2l etl e xv 4 . fte t rwards applied to to come here ? , -- . He . ma . s. 1 4 -‘l4, is lie so applied tol—On the Ist or Juin.. g ace srhiti e '-at e of two physicians to excuse my going, lila the de • c , )amianded me, and caused a letter to be sent from " !en t " ' t er of Foreign Affairs, Castdcicala, who nude the sider ); (41 of n r • Wf AIIS (wide some Objections to the examina . • • • t • Ur 1) . C- It lieSS on those points as nrygn,,si. is o je 'ftil itTi in g admitted by the t ourt, he proceeded to cross-exa lt witness as follows: 4-1 CROSS-LXAMINED. ~tlit did he leave his ship to come • here ?-1 . have left kt.,CtT hnd have gi ve n m ys e lf to trade; so that my ship me own account ; and that was the saute ship • b r Ci t ,, t ri led her R o y a l Hi g h nes s, and is now commanded 'Ph' ant Ciacanni Vataluzzi ? tn. if 1 understand him right, he is part owner, and not '*4 t "Übe vessel ?-IVhen he . , came here he was halt "the.cas,o is er e was I b •• th at he when he set out for England ?—At Naples. Illsbias native town ?—Naples is his native town, but he at Piano Lorett o on the coast. . 1 11," 5 1 apon' - . ••eri to you to emu, here, when you were at Naples ? ttl - , 4 : t ..e,r sent a messenger to find me, because I had CUM -41 4, 1 s at Naples. \V I you 5 , A t Ett , e the Minister ?—Yes. as his name ) —Sir Acoutt, the English 1 )4 4 0r. 1,4-10;1)1,0euPhsro.Tis,e you-any money ?—Yes. Vi t ,„,- , ....b - ' e rn‘c any agreement as to the price you were to s „"tlg wi „lng the five days that 1 was at Naples, einlea ti,:4la.,,eit the Minister not to conic, I told hint all my cir -1141',,411,,,,,, bot the Minister being - convinced of my, ;itua- I v o a dmst ed to_ receive 1,000 dollars per month t but I 'oldt at it p re arlY 4,00Q1 dollars. The cargo, I sent to be M w gio, as not, sold at the price it ought to Lave A sk ,the, -- .',„ 10, 5, I have advanced money at Manfredetna to •,-;tr go mid t inemployed• t ( „isk in:dersiaiiik English ?—No. t're, re has hero iu England t.tiviitir..evsel;,yente:triegniiit ccu before was once ‘ti• here before?—Only once before the present - "eired • •money down, or is it in expectan -1 ' tv e're L " ) • advance • t Milan. th„ s Iced one month in a • :( ' , !dl him t o s a y ~o l unge , went , 5 0:1 1. the htt; want to k - now it Is the Captain appoint -14444 vu nld not gu without you ?--. My Captain can go ah tort If 'ern. . he receives his orders from me, but when ji t , , at his own discretion. . (I —V • I I same as if von were tl►ritch.s __ II. , you, %%ntic. not t 5 1 4 ;ge my ship at Man treda gou,g to tieg;iu to has a rg". Atter I arrived here, 1 nave that i f ..s,bid her cargo at 10 sous less per bushel than I li4°el; is equiva ' ; ' ,lt. to 25 pence liul4 . i. "' li, hot coins. to England dues be mean to say that „ s r e w ow r"old have nia ' de mi:re pridilable voyage—thist foe t : h are been any difi ' 'crence i o the sale of the cargo? I lltied fne, ha d I not set out . fur England I should have he l e 4 f c"olMercial , Males , fur 1 lelt me country at the I tl t o lhirvest. • And ' s ' ec d' i l t s id adranceii money at Man- Vi t ') , 4 of rzt ) ( ; 'Y and w ' •ould hate gained so much towards e tt4, Ukdollars, which I sustailied ill the year I S . IS. !t it ho w • spoke n yoylve—explitin, it you t• ti l t% ( , ) ,,"ur cum' t Y : is • • • • s to Prr fir -0 Ligiand makes any (Illielenct. 51 mat v.ya g , ?—Yes, 1 had ordered the , 0 sell the corn fur less than i 4 carlinis per btishet ; but the Captairi) as soon as ha arrived kt It gglu, and heard that I was gone away, has taken upon himself to sell the cargo at 21 carlini per bushel; and after my arrival here I have heard that the pricy of corn is raised to 26 carlini, and now nearly to 30. Does he mean to say, that his presence in Italy would affect the price of corn.—(Order, order !) Mr. WILLImus assured the House that he was proceeding according to the rigid practice of the Courts where the Judges of the land presided ; their LordshipS therefore must excuse him if he did not quite understand the cause of the disapprobation then expressed. The Marquis of DowNstritte earnestly entreated their Lordships to consider that the present Lase was one which involved, in the highest degree, the dignity and honour of the House, and of the country; and he trusted their Lordships would excuse him if Ile suggested that the proceedings ought to be marked by the strictest attention to the evidence 'on both sides.—(Hear!) Earl of LivEttPoor, entirely concurred its the senti ment expressed by the Noble Marquis, and thought that it would be better fur Noble Lords to state any objection that might occur, rather than to join in a general sentiment of disapprobation. He felt the didiculty of restraint with those who were unacquainted with official-proceedings. He thought it would be better to keep as great a command as possible over their feelings. Mr. WILLIAMS resumed—l wish to know how your being absent caused the Captain to fail in his orders ?—He would not have been disobedient if I had been present. and besides he made himself be deceived by others. He disobeyed toy orders hs soon as he knew I was set out. I should have fore seen losses. When you made the bargain for 1000 dollars a month, did you anticipate what has happened since ?—I have foreseen an evil ; and did not -wish to come on account of my health and oil account of my interest. How far is it from Reggio to Naples ?—lt is 170 miles direct, and by a'circuitons road :300. Where did yOu see Gaetano Paturzo last?—Here in London the last time. I ask as to time, not place ?—Two days ago. You (144 not see him yesterday ?—I have not seen him be fore 1 saw him here, for 13 months. That is not the question, I want to know the day, the hour, and the minute ?—Last night we sopped together, and slept iu adjoi:hing rooms. Did you breakfast with hira this morning ?—I took coffee with hiu► this 'Horning. _ . Did Paturzo know what he was to say here to-day ?—I don't know what he was to say, nor did lie tell me what he was to say. Did you inquire what Paturzo bad said yesteiday ?—I did not. 1 - lave you been in this room before ?—Yes. When ?—On Saturday. I'i.'hocaine;ill;;;;; .. ? - --A Gentleman, who showed me the curiosities; the room where the coronation is to he held. Was it an English Gentleman ?-1 du not know his name; I know his person. How oaten hale you seen him?—l have seen him several Since you arrived in England ?—Yes. • When did you arrive ?—On the 14th instant. Where was you examined ?—.At Have you been examined since you cache to England ? Yes. Who examined you ?—The Major-domo who showed me this house. Here the witness turned round, and pointed to the person who conducted him to the House on Saturday. Who brought you from Naples ?—A King's messenger. Whu paid your expellees ?—The King's messenger. Who examined you at Milan ?—Colonel Brown and Vicar micate." Have you seen your examination since ?—I have not. lie-examined b,2 . 1 the SOLICITOR-GENERAL. According to the best judgment you can form is the stun you are to receive more or less than a fair compensation for your journey to England ?—Acem 'ling . to the success of my trade this year, it is nut so much as I mlght.have by my. busi ness. This IVitness's examination by Counsel being conclnded, Lord Lir ILRPOOL said, it should be arranged that every Peer who questioned a witness should finish before he sat down. GREY.—What were you paid by the Princess during the time your vessel was in her. service ?-759 dollars a illunth and part of my expences. You have said that Bergami and the Princess -were shut up under the tent; were there any .persons walking upon the deck ?—No. How do you know that Bergami remained under the tent all night ? —Because it was shut. Did you see Bergami any where else at night ?—No. Was there any way ftom the tent, except from the en trance ?—One, by a ladder up to the dining room. Could Beigami•go up time without you - seeing him?—The place was small ;, he might. Lord EI;LENBOHOUGII—Was there any bed made in the dining roomtorßeigami?—Never. Once I remember it was bad weather; and Bergami Went' below. When bad . weather caused Bergami to go below, did the Priocess go likewise'?--•-Yes; in the cabin. • Lord AUCKLAND—Did• the a,month cover all subjects ?-1 have a great deal upon this particular ; 750 dol lars is very low•; much too low. 1 - agreed tieilia: price as a certainty; but when one takes Royal persons on board, we trust more to oncertoin than certain profits. Upon these uncertain profits I have been disappointed. The English Government knows' that 1 have made application ; but that Eliglish Government knows it is that I am what 1 am. What is the expence of navigating such a vessel by the month taking in all the pay of ti7e'otticers and the men ?—My• crew consisted of 22 hands; these persons, taking one with another at 20 dollars a month, make 200 dollars, and I . re quired as much as the pay to support the men, that year being very sieril, and the wearing was eicptinsire, and a Royal per son being on hoard,. it was necessary to keep all things in high order, and taking into consideration what the vessel cost me (10,000. dollars), and the insurance, which is one per cent. you will find there is nothing left out of the 750 dollars. Marquess LA'NSDOWN.—You lbsing by the voyage, I wish to know it you applied to her Royal Highness or any other per son for compensation for this loss ?-1 did not make applica tion to her Royal Highness. We went to Sicily. Bergami, on landing, did not make me the 6000 dollars present which he had promised me, because I would not take him and the suite to Venice. I sent a memorial to my Consul at Tunis, to be sent the English Government, and when 1 came to England, 'last year, I applied to the English Governmeut for the oresent, and on account of my application to the Eng lish - Government, the English Government knew that I was the person who took her Royal Highness on the voyage. - Did you ever tell your. Mate to go away from the deck when her Royal Highness and Bergami were present?- 1 do not remember. • • • • If you had ordered him away, should you not have rcn►em bergd it?—l do remember on one occasion, that wben.Ber gaitii- was on the bed, and the Princess was leaning upon it, I told Guatii Paturzo to go away, because it was not proper for a young man to :wait. Were there any other persons present when yon ordered Paturzo to go away ?—I ordered u►y crew away ; but the Count Schavini always - remained by her Royal flightless to receive her commands. A Peer—When the tent was shut, had you.the means of knowing whether Victorina was in it or nut ?—I cannot say whether or not. Was. the hatchway open or shut in the morning, which led from the tent to the dining room ?—I cannot say; it was ge nerally shut in the morning. Have you received any money from .the British Govern ment, or from any other source in consequence of your me morial being presented to Count Lodi ff ?—No. Col. Brown and the Consul said, when 1 came to London I might do the best 1 could in that particular. Lord I)osoUGH:IORE—Did you ever see the Princess and Bergami sitting on a gun together ?—y es . • 111 what situation I—Bergami on the gun, and the Princess on his knee. Lord LaunettnaLe—WitneSs has said that lie received a certificate from the Princess of Isis conduct when she disem barked. He wished the witness to put it in. Witness put the document in. it was dated the 10th Octo ber, 1816. It was read. . • Lord LAUDERDALE—Witness has said that when the Prin cess was leaninL , upon the bed of Bergami , he ordered the last witness to withdraw. I wish to know it the curtains of the tent were ordered to be put down at that time. and if witness put them down ?—lt did not happen only that time. Did Count Sehavini walk about the deck during the time ? —He walked towards the poop and down to the cabin. Mr. Wr-Luams—l wish the witness to say if he went to the dining-room any night ?—No, that was not the place for me: of Order, order.') so ide- lder ing bot- tt at :ern, the and Izinl atige slept iugg- Theodore Majocci re-examined. Mr. BROU OHAIVI had an application to make to the House; it was that Theodore Majocci might be recalled, as be had some important questions to put to that witness. The first thing he wished to know was, whether lie had been at Bris tol at anv titue.withisi the last twelve months. The Earl of LtsrEut , neit , should be governed by the opinion of the Noble Lord on the Woolsack, but on this unexpected breaklng its, he tci suggest whether it would not be necessary that the Counsel should state the object which he had in view. . . The LORD CHANCELLOR s t aid that their LordShiPs would. guided by - a sense of justice , how farthe•Ctionsel should he indulged.in cross-examining witnesses. He objected to the cross-exantiniltion being taken pitee-meal,aud wished it to be carried nn altogether. Mr. littounnAm was willing to pledge himself if Theodore' Majocci wei now re-called, never to ask lynot her question till he should open the case, and not bring biro up again He should be satisfied with asking tint three in four, or at most' five questions, and would state what they were to the House- The Loan CHANC'ELLOR thought, that with such a pledge, their Lordships ought not to refuse the application of the Counsel. 'Theodore iWajocci was then ordered to be recalled. The LORD-CHANCELLOR addressin Mr. Brougham)—You will understand what the House • will allow. You will sug gest the questions, and some Noble Peer must put thew. Theodore Majoeci appeared at the liar, and stated through) th« Interpreter, that he begged a favour of their Lordships, which was, that if they found any thing false in his evidence, he gave then) leave to cut off his head. . • The following questions were then suggested by Mr. Brougham, and put by the Lord Chancellor:— Were you at Bristol in the course of the last year or this? —1 do not know Bristol. Were yon at Gloucester during any part of that period ? I know Gloucester too well. Were you in the service of a Mr. Hyatt, at Gloucester ? Yts. Did you ever declare to any person that the Princess of Wales was a most excellent woman ?---Yes; I always said the Princess was a good woma.i. Did you ever declare that the conduct of the Princess of Wales was highly becoming ?—Of her conduct I always said that she was a good woman, but that she was surrounded by Did you ever say that the Princess of Wales was a prudent person, and that you never observed any thing improper in her conduct ?-1 do not remember at alt whether I said so. Did you ever say that the Princess of Wales ever behaved herself with propriety ?—This I never said. Do you remember a Gentleman of the name of William Hughes, at Gloucester or Bristol do not remember. The LORD CHANCELLOR directed the question to he put plainly, Do you know a person called William Hughes ?—I may know him, lint Ido not remember the name. .. Did you ever know a person who is a haiikei's clerk . at Messrs. Turner's, bankers, at Gloucester ?—I don% know the name of the banker. ....... Do you know, or have you had any convemtion . with any clerk of the banking house at Gloucester?—'Phis I do not remember. Did you ever complain to any person at Gloucester, that Bergaini hahrkept hack part of the servants' wages in the household of, the Princess of \Vales ?—Yes, this I remember. To whom did you make this complaint ?—I do nut rt.:col lect precisely; hut I remember that Signior Hyatt asked one why I had left the service of the Princess. I answered him so as I have said, and aided, that after my return•from the lung voyage, Barthulouneo Bergatni wished even to lower my wages. Did you ever say the same thing respecting Bergami and your Wages to any person beside Mk. Hyatt I—l do not re member. . . I)n yon remember Mrs. Adams, Mr. Hyatt's mother ? Yes. Do you remember Mrs. Hughes, Mrs. Adams' house keeper ?—I recollect that was the woman that transacted the business of the house, if that be her name. Had she a son who was a clerk in a banlsing borne ?—1 do well recollect that the son paid visits to,thc mother , but .I, do • • not know whether he was in any hankiug•house. Did• you eye:r ,him your circomstauces respecting Ber gami and your Wages ?—I do not recollect precisely, yes or no, wltether,tpldieins. • . • Did you fell that young man that the Princess of Wales was a most excellent woMaliNtat ske•Sras prisdeut, and that you had never seen any thing improper in ker.cOoduet,?--, !'his Ido Dot remember. - • . . Did you ever reppent to this,young man that the Prince's of Wales had always, as far as yoU bad seen, behaved in a most proper manner ?..• • . • [Here a Noble Lord suggested that Mr. BRovoliAm bad already exceeded the number:of questions which be,had stated he should put.—Clies of, Gu uu.] This I do not temetuber.. Did you ever travel in a stage coach between Gloucester and Bristol, or between Gloucester and any other place ?—I travelied in the stage coach from Gloucester to London ; this reireinher; Did you ever make any journey in a stagecoach from Gloucester to any other place than Loudon ?—Never, that 1 recollect. Were you ever asked by any Gentleman in a stage-coach respecting the delibitment of the Princess 'al AVallits• whilst you were better service ?—This I do nut.reeollect. , . • Did you` repreierit her sto 'any person' bra stage coach as behaving heysejtvery.pradently ?-1 do notsensember haying spoken of these atdri. Did you represent the Princess of Waleseder any person in a : stage coach as a much injured woman ?—This 1 do nut ie mealber ; ho more no than yes. , . Have you represented, in a stage coach or elsewhere, to any person, that you had been applied to to swear against her Royaliligliness ?—This 1 recollect .mare• no that's.. yea.' What I remember Of these things is, that I INVe nevel'ipoten • of them in any carriage where I have been. : • • • Did you repreient to any person that you hid been applied ,to, to swear against the Princess of Wales', in any other plaCe than a stage coach.? The witness inquired at what time the question applied? Have you ever said that any one had applied to you to make a deposition against the Princess of %Vales ?—I can't under stand what this question can signify. ever say to any body in England that ,yon had been asked or. App;,ird' . .to, to give• all account respecting' the Princess of %Vales upon oath ?—Ni;, not in England.. •AI r. 13 not , OHA M observed t hat the question was not as the witness ,eetneJ to under stand' it, whether any person had ap plied to hint in _England tia , give evidence, 'but: whether' he had said so to any person its this Country. The Sour:ma-GENERAL trusted that their lalrdships would allow him to intereose.for a moment. He apprehend ed that they intended to follow the course usually adopted in Courts of Justice, and tie conceived from the, mode of exami natiots J by his Learned Friend, that it was his inters tiont to obtain negative .answers frotn. the avioess, in order afterwards to hring evidence to invalidittehis testimony. Now, it was the rule in Courts -of Justice, when a witheis was question e d respecting some alleged conversation, to mention to him the name of the ' party, and the place where the con versation was stated to have taken place. Mr. BROUGHAM contended, that though the rule might.be good, it was one which, in many eases, must be deviated from. It was, in fact, more a custom than a rule. It might happen that the name of the person. with whom the conversation had heels held, was nut known to a witness. Would any person its Ws senses, then, think, that there could be any use in ask ing him whether he recollected conversing with an individual whom he did, not know? '1 be SOLICITOR-GENERAL apprehended .that his Learned Friend WiAS ignorant of all' the lutes in Cotirti,of Justice. Mr..l3ltotionam apprehended that his Learned .Friend him self was not only ignorant of all rules in Courts of Justice, but of the; 'firat of all rules,—not to interrupt an adversary's argument till he had dosed. He also apprehended that the rule stated by the Solicitor-General was the mereglieturn of that officer. If the rules now promulgated were invariably set inforce , no witness could be fixed with perjury. Tlie Luita C HANC E L LOR observed,;that it must. be quite o bvious that an honest man might sincerely say that he bad ne ver held a' particular conversation, which he yet might re, collect if the name of the person with whom he was 'typos , ed to bave conversed was' mentioned to 'him. 'ln 'the tißne when he sat . at Nisi Prins it was customary to hare names mentioned, •aall he - thouglit e it would also be proper' in this' present instance... • . • Mr. BROUGHA:Ii had liO objeation to mention the name; an d the question was put in the folkswing - manner Did you say to Mr. Johnson, in a stage that you had been applied to to be a . wi t neso s p o i nst.tlig prineess.otwakii —I iaysear t t n ha l t he l tl d ij u ng in t )t o know this name or this m an , e i t h er the Did you ever say to any j.lerson-1 have been applied t o to he a witness against the Princess of Wales , --or Wirtds to that effect ?—Never. • . Did you ever say to Mr. Johnson in a stage coach, hate had considerable advantages offered the if-4 would be a witness against the Princess of %Vales, ' or words to that of feet ?-1 lay my head there immediately, than thit , .otlef has never been wade to me by any body. The Lain CHANCELLOR observed, that tne'qUe46itl was 0011 Whether the otter had been made to him, but. whether he had ever said,that,stich an offer hail been made? The INTERPRETER iequotett the. :House.would lie ',lewd to allow him to follow his own 'phraseology in putting the questions in Italian to the witness, as be thought • he should then t ie better able to make hint understand them.' Mr. Mint , otram recomthendedhim at the saute tithe to use as possible, asthey only served ac i l )ee . ;s 1 :;(10 .t i n ) 1 . 11;;U t S nv r s e s p t et . uns • Mr.linou Gums—The question is not, w . bether . the diidoursc was made in England, but if ever be stated thatt‘offer war made any Where? - - [Great - difficulty - and 'misunderstanding arose mit of this question, and a confused discussion took place, in which it was impossible to distinguish any thing slut the Couns4 re lating the question in somewhat different terms, the witness answering and the Interpreters-arguing.] Arlen-W(li theShort-hiid Writer read tjse' following I pledge my life I never used such discourse; I never made this discourse about an oath, - Or - On my path. Did you ever hold this discourse in England about giving evidence on oath against the Princess of Wales any wirete [This question of M r.B aou Rant was also re-statedtivice us thrice.• at least a questlini -very nearly to the same effect, but in different words ; and it ought to be noticed, that Whenever Counsel found it necessary to repeat a queeve, sinittar, varia tions took place. Another illicussion ensued.] BRO G wAm. , --Then, my Lords, I will put the last guts tip!, I intend to ask. Did you ever say to Mr. Johnson, in a stage coach, that you had been offered a sum of money, or a situation under Gls viernment, for giving evidence against the Princes; of - Wales'. any where I—lf I could nut know the name of this Jvhusua how can I answer this ? Did you ever say so to any one ?-.--s-(With strong gesticu lation) I lay my life whether this be (that this is noir - ;true; and I will answer you (turning to Mr. Brougham) no . move, fur you ask me questions about what. I never lammed about —what never entered into my head. Had you ever any conversation with any body. in a stage coach respecting her Royal Highness the Princess of Waifs —He has never spoken about the Princess of Wales iu a dili gence.' Did he ever speak about her Rayal Highness in the coarse of a journey in England at an Idti I—He never meddled with such discourse about the Princess of Wales. Did you ever, in a diligence or at an „Inn,, while on a jour ney, say you expected a sum of money or a place under Go vernment for giving.. testimony against her Royal Highness —(With emphasis.)—Never, ncetr. • How long was he in England the first time lie came over ?- - One night. The LORD CHANCELLOR , —The question is; alien he livid with Mr. Hyatt, of Gloucester?—He does not remember, as he has not his book in which the time is marked. (By Counsel)—How many•months ?--He cannot answer, as he has not his book he put it down in. RE-EXAMINATION. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL—(by way of re.examination).—t. Did. lie cone from Vienna.to this country with Mr. Hyatt Mr;"Hyatt brought me hers. At whose expense did he travel i—Mr. Hyatt paid Say fare. Mr. BROUGHAM thanked. their Lordships for the indulgende they had shown in allowing this witness to be recalled. Lord ELLENROROUOII wished to put a question. When the witness said the Princess - of Wales was a bone donna (or prudent woman,) did. he refer to her mural con duct as a woman, or to her conduct towards him as a mis tress ?—(After some discussion.)--He always spoke of her as a bona donna, for if he had spoken of her as a woman of bad conduct, (cattiea dOnna seemed to be the phrase,) they would" have knocked him down, or quarrelled with him. Much discussion ensued as to the strict 'translation of thlt latterAvords, in which Lords f ß rrenville,Morten, and Ellentm rough participated. Mr. BROUGHAM addressed their Lordships, and said, that by the questions which' he: had put, respecting the offer of a place under Government,- -lye did not mean to-impute that any one had everinade such an offer to the witness. Lord ELLENBottouou observed; that it was to elicit accu• racy that ha had • put the question, 7 •as the answer had net seemed to be correctly,inteipreted. . The Marchese, Spinetto apologised, and said that in thi4 difficult part of the examination he bad requested the co operation of Mr. Cohen, the interpreter for the defence, and it was agreeable to his wish that he bad rendered the answer.. as he did. It was observed; however, that it did dot appear the wit ness bud used the doubtful words at all ; and the matter - dropped. ~ It wanted now about twenty minutes to fire, and Loyd LiveaPoot; etpressrd an opinion that their Lordships might now adjourn without calling in another witness; but there was a cry of go on, and . . . Francisco Virollo, or Biroilo, was called in and sworn. Examined by Mr. PARK. - • Of what country is the witness ?—A Piedmontese. - • • Where-were you employed, when applied to to be brought here?—ln the service of the Marchese. Were you at any time in the service of the Princess of Wales ?—Yes. • An what capacity ?—As cook. • In what year di4 you enter into her Royal Highness's arr. , vice?—When the Princess came from Venice. He does not remember the year: How long did he continue in her Royal Highness's service? —About two years, or two years and a kalf. Was he engaged fur this service by .Pergariii ?—Yes. • Did lie know Berganii before ?,—Yes, he did. , When be 'first knew Bergami, what was he ?—He was . the same service with me. \Vas that in'the sertice of General Pino ?—lt was. In what capacity did Bergami act alien in the service of Lv• General Piro?—He acted as a valet, for he came to the , kitchen to fetch the dishes to wait at table. He afterwards took the situation of courier.' How lung were You together with Bergami in Genii* Pino's service?-1 was in Genera) Pino'a service]. Berge* . was in the service of the Comtessa. • . • • •• How long did you know him when•he was in the, service - of the Countess?---He. cannot tell; because he went out ot the service of General Pino, and Bergaiiii . yemained as courier. How long•was Bereami lathe service of the Countess helb4 the wituesslefethe Geberal ?—"As before. HOw long were you in the service of General Pin)?—Three years at different times.—(The witness specified them.) Was .Bergami in "the iervice •of the. Countess at theS7 ti mes ?—Yes. . - For bow many years before witness entered the 'service ? of the Princess of Wales had he known Bergatui?-1 did mit see him before I knew hint ithahe itervice of Gets. Pino. How long before the witness entered the service. of the Princess of Wales ?-11e does not - linow. From , what place was he ,talten into the service of her Royal ilighness.? 7 —When she came from,,V.enice and went somewhere opposite the Casa Boromeo the first time. Wete you with her. Royal Highness at the VillaVillani?'l ,- He was. : Was he at the Villa d'Este was. ` Dlid he accompany her .Royal Highness in her voyage to Greecei—He • • , Did be act as cook on that voyage ?—He did, except when on board the two ships, the Leviathan and clorinde, where be did not act as cook. Did be return with her Royal Highness from Greece to nab; ?—I before' I acted as cook on board the polacea. Watt he at Bar - opal—Yes. • ' . Atwhat place did he leave the service•.uf the Princess?— . At Parana. • • - -, Elow came you to leave the isertice oilier Royal Highness ?" ~ —Because it was Bergami t 4 bcother who persecuted me, and . • I cupid nut stand the ~ labour. - - ,- .. .. . ... ~ What does: ;use mean by that- , h , e could not stand the la, -1 ' . hour 2--Because there. was•too much labour. I Before they went to. PalestihsOrs what•part pf the, potacca did the Princess sleep?--.Sometimes on necli,,and eopettarte„, under the deck. _ .... What was the usual place tit* ' 3.4 1-1' whet r . igbness slept; ' `in iioing front 'Jaffa to Ita . 1)0:43101,' ,„ l e a)e deck .: cept whets tid'hinded, for' weintdlfi, ; r _bstio.ruw. O.A .. Does he- know whe'eu . Sergis4tV . en tkiiroyage front Jaffa to Italy ?—W hen , ins boartt - be-saW lijit Oiler the tent' inthe ereiiiiikt,'Aitil,theri .it elialett...liete,lpai the Princess, • , and here.liergarni.oopliitiq.) -•:3 . U'll" , -•' , ' - 5t Di'd he eve.t3ettAergAlp,i in ktie isiorthug Aint.out of - the =nt ' tent ?,-Sornetimes,.hist. in the morlitig vprfil; ‘ ,..i -- ~ • /1t itili:it o'clock ..?..;;Ab . A bu t a certain !iota lie.icalle `oaf, (fur a piirpose which - iklicair .... rliids us to paitienlitrlzt.) Ai what time in the;ntorni"nellitrtie.liiii.erdlteishjuii.twaorae tioits early., itiaefiilles later; he wentio" . -titit. , l4l,4betnntuil potO.toes for the fauri-131....' r' - • , --","-• , • - • -`,..., _. Where was the kitchen 1--Worler'ttuz imait t near the hoit.it*. ~ sprft. ' • ~ • ‘.- ~;. ...,,..„ 11.. ... ii i ii iiikk .Was the terit,, , 74%al's rlktre....,-,- . -tnOlnettales V)—t Whti.tput..dOwn.at ttight:A-4%"was.,_. , . s .--.....- . lii . what way wits it fastelied-dOwn ?..-41it'tent was covered ~ ~.. . with seecral t hi n gs, .and all closed... . ' Gould lie see wlio was in it"?—l could not: 1 yeas' attending my!kitchen. •In going.atiptit, I. aute,i4Witkiiiretteld. . • .Did he ever see ii tight.inAhc.fent„„a..t i otf t . , 4 w14P . ,i.t,.. Tt444, c hi s vd4l.LNuice I haelyseier.te pittlitscar th e ten t . •. . ; ,,i , : Ito yon know . who put. it, mit t ,pf. the - tent ?,-..„t4v c „„ i i__. k.. , know itl: I Was in• nit' 4irsitnitld iliti it pat' inti.: ; ' , . ,-.:11 7 q-Il t Does he know ylio riceived -It ?—Theod ore: 444 $44..^. '-'ice r wh B e p ergaini came o ut of the tent in the triorningi, 1 i 10; 1 71,.. WaS'ileArebStrti -41.iNi • govrii which . Mt - had , Matte in iktg cC......i • ••• .: : t , • .: -• ....., t r ob. .... , i .'..*?' :.3* - ..: , i` Gi'll:h"i'.iC't!'ulltisScikk..i—Ailj otir . iled . . • 1 . • .. , . . . . ,- 1