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PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORD'i---YESTERDA.V. THE QUEEN'S DEFENCE. Noniinuation of Yesierdays Proceedings.] The following is the conclusion of the Exami nation of Lieutenant HOWNAM : .The ATTORNEY-GENERAL felt it incumbent en him to object to this question, because he ap prehended that any direction that her Royal • highness might have given to this witness on the Tobject of the Baron d'Omptedn, could not be evidence in this cause. I f any thing that ha:l teen 'said by her Royal Highness to Mr. How - ram, or to any other person, on matters foreign -t3 the subject of this inquiry; were to be admit ted as evidence, he did not know where they :could stop. Her conduct was the subject of i7!quiry, and any part of that 'conduct, or any thing immediately connected with it, was evi e.Oice ; but her conversations, or any declaration was • not so, and the subject of the question - raw proposed amounting only to a declaration made by her Royal Highness, was not, he hum bly submitted, admissible evidence in the case. Mr. TINDAL said, that if any conduct of her Royal Highness or of this, witness resulted from taeh declaration, he humbly thought that it was evidence to be submitted to their , Lordships. - Suppose, for instance, it led to - the proving that Baron d'Ompteda had been .requested, by the direction of her Royal Highness, never to enter Itfr house again. The LORD* CHANCELLOR said, that the pro'er may appeared to him to be this :—first to ask the witness, whether lie did any thing, and then t 9 ask him why he did it. Lieutenant Hownam being again called in, his examination was resnmed by Mr. TINDAL. • Q. In consequence of any directions of her • Royal Highness to you, did you do any thing, or take any step with respect to the Baron rilOMpteda I—A. I did, in consequence of her representation. What did you do ?—I called him out. Did you at any other time do any thing at Tome, respecting the Baron d'Ompteda?—l did. :What was that ?—I told the servants of the Reuse, that they were not to molest or take any • notice whatever of the Baron d'Ompteda, if they • shoUld meet him. - Was Theodore Majocci one of those servants? —I am most positive that he was. -,(This answer having appeared to some to be " almost positive," the question was repeated, the same answer given, and then the question and answer read by the short-hand writer.] Do you recollect on any occasion her Royal Highness visiting any of her servants when they were ill and in bed ?—Frequently. Do you recollect in particular her visiting a servant named Camera, when he was ill do. Where did she visit him?—At Jerusalem. I.Vhat was the nature of his complaint I—We imagined it to be the plague. Was it stated to her Royal Highness before she - went to him that it was the plague ?- 7 -I can ,not say ; but he was - excessively ill. Did you see, were you present, when her Royal Highness visited him ?—I was not present, but T saw her afterwards, and she said she had just been to see him. • Do you remember her visiting any other per -sans of her suite when they were ill I—l do. - Was her Royal 'Highness received at. the dif ferent Courts where she visited by persons of the first rank or not I—Always, except at Vienna. 'Who was the* British Ambassador at Vienna? -Lord Stewart. o.n those occasions when she was so received at the"several Courts, what was the conduct and demeanour, and the appearance of her R. H. 1— It' was every thing of majesty and grace. 'How was her Royal Highness treated at thoSe CourtSl—With the greatest respect and attention. I) you remember her Royal Highness tra velling from Ancona towards Rome ?—Yes, I do. Do .you happen to know who was the courier emptoied onethat occasion ?—I cannot speak po sitivety,.but I think it was Carlo Forti. V° you remember the subsequent journey, from Roipe to Senegaglia ?—I do. Do you remember 'in what carriage her Royal Hi gh ness travelled at that time I— ln an English laudaulet ; I am most positive as to this point. fn what carriage did you travel yourself ?—ln an English landau, I think, it is a long time ago. Do you remember who accompanied you ?—I think the COunt Schiavini,'Madame Dumont, and her sister. • Do you remember.any thing happening to the 'Countess Oldi.on that journey ?—No. I am speaking of the journey from Rome to Senegaglia ?—Yes ; she was poorly on the jour ney from Ancona to Rome. Was she taken ill I—She was. • On that occasion was there any alteration in the 'arrangement of the carriages ?—We changed car riages; she came into my landau, and Dumont went into the carriage of her Royal Highness. Did you go back from Rome to Senegaglia ?- 1 1 0.!e did. Was that the only journey you took from '.Rome,to Senegaglia, till after the King's death ? was the only journey we ever performed froth, Rome to Senegaglia. Have you any recollection yourself who' per ' larmed the office of courier on that journey •110 - -notrecollect — there were two couriers in her 'Majesty's service. 'By adverting to any thing which occurred on the road, could you recollect who of those two couriers rode on that journey ?—I do not recol lect positively which of the two, Carlo Forti and Sacchi. Do_you mean two couriers in the service of her Royal Highness do. Can you, by referring to any thing, recollect which of them rode that . journey cannot re -Collect. Can you at all recollect if Sacchi was taken ill du ,that journey ; do you know the fact of his being, ill ?—I am veil) , imperfect in my recollec tion as to that : but I remember he was unwell. Do you remember on the journey to Rome any accident , happening to the horses ?—I do. - What wh.s the accident ?—lt was an accident from the horses of the. Princess ' s carriage taking fright on leaving Ancona. How long, in the whole, have you beefs in the society of her Royal Highness as pare , of her suite ?—Only from April, 1815, to 1818. Have you been from A Aril 1815, to April 1818, constantly with her Royal Highness ?—I have. In all that time, have you ever observed any thing either in the conduct of her Royal High ness towards Bergami, or of Berai towards her Royal }Ugliness, that ;was improper„ indecent, or degrading to the station of her Royal Highness ? I have not. What ttlary, had you when you were attached to her Ro;a1 Highness's suite ?—Two hundred pounds a-y ar. Does her Royal Highness continue to pay you that salary to the present time ?—Yes. (Cos t s-exatained by the ATT 0 ftlq EY-G EN En AT.. (1. You are a Lieutenant in the Royal Navy ? A. I am. How long had 'Jou been in the Navy before you became - a Lieutenant ?—Six years. 'I believe your father has been in the service of her Royal Highness—he was a Page, I believe ? —lie was. , Do you know how long he was in that service with heK Royal Highness ?—ln the service of her Royal Highness I do not know ; but he was all his life in the service of his present Majesty, or of the Princess Charlotte. I believe her Royal Highness interested her self in your promotion ?—Very much. Through her good offices. you were promoted to the rank of Lieutenant ?—I was. When was it you joined her Royal Highness's suite ?—ln April, 1815.. At Genoa ?—Yes. In what capacity do not know exactly ; I Was receiving the salary of an equerry, as I was told. You do not know in what capacity you were attached to her suite ?—No ; I do not. At the time it was my conviction I was acting as equerry. What situation did you subsequently fill in her Royal Highness's suite.—None. flow lona were you at Genoa before you quit ted it foe Milan ?—About six weeks. Was Bergami a courier at that time ?—He was. And wore the dress of a courier ?—And wore the dress of a courier. How long after your arrival at Milan was it when her Royal Highness was left without any English Ladies of Honour ?—About ten or twelve days after her arrival at Milan. • How soon-after she was left without any Eng lish Ladies of Honour was she joined by the Countess of Oldi ?—One or two days probably. Before the Countess came, had Faustina come into her Royal Highness's service ?—She came to Genoa with the child. lid she not live in the family ?—Yes. Before the Countess Oldi came, had not Faus tina and Victorine joined the suite . of the Prin cess I—She came to Genoa with the child, and I understand afterwards lived with the family. Did you never see them in the. family at Ge noa ?-4 never saw them at Genoa, but by ha zard in the garden. How often have you seen them by hazard in the garden at Genoa ?—Once or twice—sufficient to know that they were there. D:d you not know that she was living in the same house with her Royal Highness 1-1 knew that she lived in the house at Genoa. In the Princess's house I—Yes. Did the mother of Bergami come to the Prin cess's house at Genoa?—She was there at that time; I think she came with Faustina and the child. Was she also residing at the Princess's house at Genoa ?—Yes. Did not Louis Bergami come also into the Princess's service at Genoa and form part of the family ?—He was there before I arrived. What situation did he fill ?—That of page. Do you mean by page an upper servant?—l do. Did he wear a livery ?—Yes, or rather a sort of livery. • You have stated that you accompanied her Royal Highness on her tour to Mount St. Go thard ?—I did. Did Bergami accompany her Royal Highness on that occasion inhis capacity of courier ?—Yes. How long, after you left Milan, was her Royal Highness left without any English Lady of Honour ?—About ten or twelve days after our arrival at Milan. How soon after did the Countess of Oldi ar rive ?—ln one or two days probably. had Faustina and Victorine joined her Royal. Highness's , family before the Countess of Oldi joined ?—I never saw them at Genoa, but by hazard in the garden once or‘twice. I saw them in the house. Did they live at the Princess's house at Genoa? Yes. - When did the mother of Bergami come ?—I think , with the child. Was she in the Princess's house At Genoa ? Yes, to the best of my recollection. Did not Louis Bergami join her Royal High ness at Genoa ?—He was there when I joined. What situation did he hold ?—That of page. Was he' an upper servant ?—Yes. Did he wear a livery ?—A sort of uniform rather than a livery. You said you went with her Royal Highness on a tour to Mount St. Gothard ?—Yes, I did. Did Bergami accompany her Royal Highness at that time as a courier ?—He was dressed in a courier's dress, but he rode in a carriage. With whom ? With Hyeronymus, I think it was. Was Hieronymus at that time courier ?—He wore a courier's dress, but he was maitre de ho tel at that time. Hieronymus and Bergami, both having cou rier's dresses, travelled together in the same car riage ?—Yes. In what month was this I—ln August, 1815. The witness then said that her Royal High ness dined at Bellinzona, in company with a Professor l'omazea, and a man who lived upon Mount St. Gothard. Bergami was dressed as a courier, and dined also at the table, as 'well as witness. - -‘ ‘ Did' you dine with her Royal Highness on that occasion ?—I Aid. Iv, ... •.* Yo'n remained tab at le 'during the whole time she was at dinner ?—/. did. You have stated that Bergami occasionally dined with her Royal Highness ; did he, after that, dine with her Royal Highness in his cou rier's dress ?—He did. When did Bergami begin regularly_ to dine with her Royal Highness ?—About the month of September, but cannot answer to a few days precisely. . Did Bergami dine with her Royal Highness at 'Lugano ?—That was on our return from our jour ney to Mount St. Gothard. But did he not dine with her there ?—He did. Was he not then a courier, as when he former , ly dined with her, Royal Highness I—That was on the same journey. I know it was, but was he not then a courier ? 1 He was. .. . Do you remember any other place at which he dined with her Royal Highness on that journey? did he not dine with her at the Devil's Bridge ? He did. On this occasion was he not in the dress of a courier I—He was. vv I believe, when her Royal Highness was at the Villa d'Este, Mr. Burrell left her Royal High ness ?—lt was at the Villa Villani. Mr. Burrell was not on that journey ?—I be lieve not. Was Dr. Holland ?—No : he left at Venice. Was there any other Englishman on that jour ney than yourself ?—None. Now, when you were at the Villa d'Este, have you not frequently seen her Royal Highness and Bergami walking together ?—I have. I mean before yqu went on that voyage ?—On the long voyage ; yes. Have you ever seen them in a canoe on the lake ?—I have seen them in a small boat. Was there no other person with them ?—The boat was not large enough to hold another. When you saw them walking together, were they arm-in-arm ?—They were arm-in-arm. Have you seen her Royal Highness walk arm in-arm at the Villa d'Este ?—Yes, as I have seen her walk with other gentlemen. Now, Sir, you have stated, that, during the whole course of your journey, you saw nothing improper, indecent, or degrading in her Royal Highness's conduct towards Bergami ?—I have. You have also stated, that you saw Bergami dine with her Royal Highness whilst a courier; that she walked arm-in-arm with him ; was alone in a boat with him. Do you conceive there was nothing degrading in all that ?—I never saw her walk arm-in-arm with him before he commenced regularly dining' with her. You must conceive, Sir, that is no answer to my question. Do you conceive there was any thing degrading on the part of her Royal High , ness in all you have stated do not. Now, you have stated that you have not seen them walk arm-in-arm until after he commenced regularly dining with her Royal Highness. 1 ask you if you have not seen them walk arm-in arm before you set out on that journey ?—I do not recollect. Will you swear they did not ?—I will swear to the best of my recollection I have not seen them. You say you do not conceive there was any thing degrading in what you have stated. Did you never represent it to her Royal Highness as degrading to her to permit Bergami to dine with her ?—I never did. Did you never desire her Royal Highness not to, admit Bergami to the table with her ?—Not to my recollectton. Not to that effect ?—No. Then you never entreated her Royal Highness not to admit Bergami to her table ?—I never did. Then, as you never did so, you can never have represented it to any person ?—I think I never did ; I could not. 4 "I do not ask whether you could or not ; I ask you whether you did represent to any person that you entreated her Royal Highness not to admit Bergami to her table ?—I am confident I did not. You are positive you never did ?—I am posi tive 1 never,did I feel convinced I never did. You will swear that you never stated that you entreated her Royal Highness with tears in your eyes ?—I never did. I do not ask you whether you ever did or not; but whether you ever stated it to any person ? I do not recollect that I ever did; I could not have done so. If the fact happened, you could have no doubt ? I could have no doubt. Will you now swear that you never said so with tears in your eyes ?—I swear that I have not the smallest recollection ; I have not done the thing. lam not asking you whether you ever asked her Royal Highness, but whether you ever stated that you did ?—I have not the smallest recollec• tion of the thing. Will you swear that you have not ?—I w' swear to the best of my recollection that have not. You say you swear to the best of your recol lection ; will you swear either one way or the other ?—I have no‘recollection of having said so to any person ; but I cannot swear to a thing which I do not recollect. You have already sworn that you did not so entreat her Royal Highness ; can you then re fuse to swear that you never said that you did ? I have no doubt I never said so ; I have no re collection of the fact. Were you not on hoard the Leviathan ?—I was. Do you know Captain Briggs ?—I do. Now, Sir, I ask you whether you never stated that to Captain Briggs ?—Upon my oath I never recollect stating that circumstance. Will you swear that you never did, with tears in your eye 4, and upon your knees, entreat her • sto Royal Highnes - s not to admit Bergau°on table ?—I have not the slightest recollects having said so to her Royal Highness. Will you swear that eyou did not?'" \, swear I have no recollection of it.k 4 \ 411 Is it such a circumstance that yoVioul"kt forkt4ten° had it. le4ken cumstancothat I iht.ltl hlv? recollected, L If the fact had been true, would you bad doubt you should have recollected it; 3 °. had not been true, have you any hesita tl ; l l swear so ?—lt is a long time ago; it is s° years ago that I cannot recollect. Have you any doubt upon it ?-I‘lo, I think I did. Although you do not think you did, a," - . understand you never said so to Captain Po —I cannot swear the thing ; I have no rec tion of it.. Do you believe you stated it or not ?--I a ° 1 1 believe it. r t i ' Am I to understand that you wil l sive° t; you do not believe that you stated so; b ut you will not swear positively ?—Yes. an '' How long were you on board the L eviath Three weeks. - ; ; Where did you leave Bergami's moths',,, sister before you went on the long voyar think at the Villa d'Este. How was his mother addressed ?—As 1 a Livia—Nonna. g pled Do you mean to state that she was cal- ad o dame Livia before the long voyage ?-- A c o say, as I do not think I spoke to her ; I " know what she was called. 11 Did you ever hear her Royal Highness ell Nonna ?—Frequently. After Mr. Wm. Burrell left, was her, al Highness in the habit of amusing he re her servants I—Frequently. Did her Royal Highness join in the garnes i ;. 3 o Was one of the games called Collin 16 `"! i i —There were several games ; one of the' called Petit Jeu. ittitf Were the games played before M r. '- left I—l think not. l ie Have you any doubt they were not ?•-- 0 heard he was there ; I have no recollec ti° s Do you know he left at Villa Villani?.. The question refers to Villa d'Este. mean to state that Mr. William Burre ll i °l those games ?—I do not recollect the fact ° being there. ess` Had Bergami ever dined with the P rinc fore Mr. Burrell left ?—No. Was there any other English Gentle r° ite, / , her Royal Highness's suite when her b eg Highness began to dine with Bergan" yourself ?—No. Were Bergami, and Louis Bergami games I—l think they were. \Vas Faustina, the sister ?—I think ne t ' e rf Did you ever see her Royal Highness per at the Theatre at Villa d'Este ?—Yes. Bergh Did she perform Columbine to Loui s Harlequin ?—I do not know the character' o f were 200 persons present. The whole ,P Royal Highness's household were on th e i ot The piece was composed in her Royal 'lg household. tha t Do you mean to say you do not know 1 Royal Highness played Columbine to Lelicoli gami's Harlequin ?—I do perfectly r e There were three pieces performed. Did her Royal Highness dance ?—Y e 5 •1 3 31 With whom ?—With every one indiscrielvi, Who played Harlequin ?—Louis 13erg a ti P Now you recollect the Harlequin, do Y e be' who was the Columbine ?—I cannot saY her Royal Highness was or was not. 05 Will you swear her Royal Highness the Columbine I—No, I cannot say ; 311' not say she was not. R` Do you recollect any part that he'oue Highness did perform?--I think that casion she performed the part of an atit °l o V What do you mean by the part of a ll „ Ag o' ton ?—The story was (but it is so long I hardly recollect it), that of a man wh ° . . d ie to sell an automaton a woman that `,cll) wound up to anything, in which th f e was disappointed. It was a story ohP e ' Highness's composing. And the Princess was the automato n-- she was—in fact she was. 10 i ; Was Bergami the person who wantedie - this automaton ?—No ; I think it w 735 00 valier T omazea. And who was the purchaser of the anettl., That was, I believe, the Professor IVlncof Did her Royal Highness perform in a 6 ;0 1 piece during that evening ?—lt is s o long I hardly remember. Do you remember any character "wbiil a c v` gami performed ?—I think he per for6w of pedlar. r foril i • Did not her Royal Highness pe , et same piece a milkmaid, or some ch arac ' life ?—I do not believe she did. I d,,,j3te lect much as to the performance s : t"- 200 persons there to see them. Then you do not recollect her perf °l3- tio t r e' character of a milkmaid ?—No, I d o lect such a fact. Nor on any other evening ? — I d° fer n ? her such a thing having happened at that errw, Did Bergami perform any part 00e besides in the dance 1--I do not ro le t i he did. • 01 I ,,sci s Did he perform the part of a jog' Princess performing the'sick person , so ttl e l fo you mention it, a vague recollection 0 , e cu or.7 of the kind, but I cannot tax WY IP' g oi) tio Do you remember, before your m y I ,e , the long vo!,a4r,e, St. Bartholomew ' t s b oo kept in the Villa d'Este ?--It mal f r vht c upon that day that those Oar , ° have been speaking, were performed, s of 3 1 f 13erg 0 1 ,1 Was that day kept in honour 0 40 veatP $ t Ido not recollect whether St. m boil day was kept at all. There W as fl; Dart 0 St. iico{ Villa d'Este, but whether it was -- (r e • con" VI / ' mew's day or not, it was gisten c our taking possession of the Villa) tIP th, d'J IvE Nvi 1334 11: it nt 1.3 fo