The Sun. — London, England, 1855-05-19 00:00:00

rt t i ; t ta , 1 - 4 V. 7.44 ty 4, 4 .- 3 ~ ~" SUN OTF.ICE, o'Clock. r A rr TER S ALL' S. (THIS EVENING.) DERBY. s to 2 agst De Clare ('aken and offered) 5 to 1 azst Wild Dayrell (taken) s to 1 agst Rifleman (taken) 5 to 1 aget Lord of the Isles (taken) - 8 -to - 1 apt Kingstown (take 9 to 1) 15 t l) 1 asst Flatterer 3 0 to 1 agst Dirk Hatteraick !Oto 1 agst Paros (t a k en ) pp to 141 agst Cou r t ena y (taken) 400 9 to 10 aget Bison St. Hubert and Oui=ton are scratched. OAKS. to 1 apt Dame Judith a t° 1 ag-t Blooming Heather to 1 agst Capucino . (takeo. 10 to 1 aget Mosquito (taken). 1 10 to 1 aget Marchioness (taken) o to 1 agst Lady Tatton (taken) kit N MAI I K T CO,silir - slierAl r v PILL I G CIC. Tl i CITY, Two o'CLoCK. it , 8 ad v i i /It eeS from St. Petersburgh to the 10th ,0 stat th e that the cost of conveying produce %B er e ali fre ntier for England had risen to 1.30. 4 / 1 (1 p Y there eft 4 , el a , a was feeling of greater depression, Ots of „' s , es were more severely experiencing the °N, th e war. Whether we could not further Vo 1 te th* • • B cl h e l% 1g still the disputed question, and it e 4i letl i.. we ll if more unanimity of opinion pre- I la , the.rrelation thereto. Messrs. Smith and 41 : T he leilti cula,r contains th efollowingparag raph :_.... th e th . s lot th o s , al ans are dependent on their trade, an , d ninef eielit,erto no' Great with this country. Not . o A ta .geti l ow f Britain are from Russia ; and tone- eki lb, as yof our manufactures are taken by Russia. k!toetzal'esPects the raw material we obtain from Russia, 1te7 1 ,, 144 at present large ; and was the trade with 1 ,, , lgh t ~,,, d e al + • long before these stocks could be used up, i,, e4 s r f,uo.ai n r...., Ne olir dole s or -...tii our colonies and elsewhere supplies of of ew e , their substitutes, so as to prevent any serious NU L ee to hire hogg . our manufacturers. The apprehension .. "z•Fi! the 1, 18 groundless. The trade with Russia (3- boi -"44t, t° d o e and capital of our Anglo-Russian ttb i a g rit ?, carry it on successfully, and there is th e t `' riab t I,Bu Merchant who would not rather cut ill 1 " 4 4e 'and than furnish a. single shilling to carry on egai. afte r 't h IN, ) 11 1 had been declared by the British Parliament INV, be a Le, o.usequenees to Russia, on the other han ,1'e,,,, , " etit e iT t io the rouble to zero ; the gold would be lie t e'qry ~, ~,`oe dominions, never'to return—her nobles and ~l'ar 411liet"21 meeduced f o beggary, and the Czr would 40i; kl it t, sait. It is admitted on all hands e t]at the k,ii , %,144.„' Pre sent conducted, must be one of great dt!ra- N itt ie itt y ' o tile system advocated by the prohibitionists 4 litt?'t at n i l Y two years, this must be a saving to this bl ht e l e „,, 'east one hundred millions sterling—to France 11. 41 . 4 0 f ii' ll nd Permit us to add, the saving of the lives of ti , ‘ l , ~,0 . 'llan bei ngs. ,, t: 4 4 , t th e 4 - I Often, in comparatively quiet periods, leti a 'Atik ei tiq e , I etta,,,, in accounts . undergo such N I 4 tife i 4 t3es in one week as during the period . t o 4, of 12 th inst., unless the dividends are in 4, 1 : 4 1 .1)1ai 4 134 8 Y 0 ment ; and although it may be easy it, I tlty • ale of the alterations there is less Lea it c o iti 3' b 0 ilimenting upon Others. The bullion, otit il euta t 7 ° flee understood, has received its large tie '4 i is t cli a ,„ . • e ° from the foreign imports, and t t•st i : 4 e at; h et l . T,lts have fallen off in consequence 1V1;,,, 5 Of " i l lu atice of money, which is also . t t, h o -oe unerndof.d not__ a .s ccumulating. itt t : ty,, a we v'T, a decrease - has occurred of more ill N ti ,tie - Th a nd a half millions in the Government to ' 41 (111 °111 d puzzle mans if it were not borne i ti t he G ov, the Bank freqriently makes advances t N t ,l't pcNr.erliment upon deficiency bills, and that le:_ t i i been 8 4 Bout instance these have 1 S 4a the proceeds of . the loan and the a•• most have contri q tZto ~,11 , e, which otherwise I t V 4, 1 , -8 . 1 the aggregate amount to the credit 'e , - ) the'uequer. Compared with the previous ' e tio v4t ious items stand as follows : e p• -11.- . £19,919,335 11_ I,:allation 'till .`" er AA ease . 249,095 ' I titt x t)e; . ' ea.ile 425,982 ' 3,165 785 pub ii e ,er ez. „ .. 29,850 ..e 1 ,,,„. %I I be t <El .. 2,733,908 etb t,• ......................... v , 1P'qelt„••••• . , 3,603,682 izeren.t cctea,,." • • • • • Decreed a q .•-• Go eer ° the ) 3 1,028,140 Ver n ease t ills 144 ge e .. '" Oth ker ltriti ............ 11,016,374 erR., eas e s - ' el lriti ••• .. 2,574,999 Notes I)e' e 8" 12,543.800 11 ~re ase ' ..... ~. 177,250 hest Itit ler ellll)l°3 ;4 9,417 ,175 eaBe eh et 1 674,575 ••• ... 4,, 1 t a .,, _ ~ . x. V t eh '•.yt ta li p . o j ii t a h t e ter .,,t 3 on . the rates for bills of e 14%., 1 34, 01 N ris titincipl e continental cities were " 1 1 ~,i l lrg at .1%)9° days', was taken at 25 40 to t "Qe ' a. " 4 Tri -" i7 i to 8, Amsterdam at 12 to ie ll pri 4 „ : est e ~1 , bt vipl e of at 12 46 to 52. li /111"1 s mall worki colleries by the associa t 4 3' e' and th bondholders seems to be gaining 4 (' t etit °lll Paity 0 , Lu ndon and Great Western oc l l a h e lein: l litahi e vt° Poses, with a capital - of 60,000 ~ t • ql, o ., l !ith ro ,j ) rolierti es in South Wales, e; I, I I I I R 4 ' i tie g 4 1 8 t t l i es that are known to be of value - e ttv 4 liati a ei r ge p roji Y at a royalty instead of incur rti e(1 t Pate( ' Pr nl o i nary outlay for the . purchase. e... t tle ° ev e fits are large, and a right is re ,,,.'14kt,,805t, .; rY shareholder to purchase coals at Ne tb l lttl ls 4441i_Proportion to his interest . in_ the e t" e tie, ..-uportant consideration for large h Y ; the „ t e th L re e A... Kltei'valb er st ` 44 3's later advices from New York, 1 41 18 Y L 4 44 th e c f Lo uis. Foreign products were i.7ttarariti es "laud was not likely to improve. Na Mica 0 w ere firm but the opinion was 1 30 on th e ) t,,,t 4 i i a c t, h er slue that State stocks . and IN' Itay b ad reached their maximum prices. z n i tt to raf4 e °l ids were in favour owing to the ex -41 shi_ returns. Morey continued easy. 06 1 ; 41 Ptcell ta fthe • • t from 4,' -,, c iiiri nn . ° precious metals direct it kl i ( 411,, e1 .6 the week to Thursday last were o t t lt il t e t o . c ,ti of silver and 560 of gold. Ot,' 4l a, at , d s took Market has been very bu0y ;41,4 Th e e __ with a further advance of i tog per ::ti•iolllettalleellerit Bank return has been mainly 14)IN I)r) ,iti oi , 11 , P r oducing the rise, together with 1 1 for ' ile.v • '''° buy . as usual, for the dividend. i a e besu . ' ,11t e ,....ce ti ,„ . 9d to 1 for transfer, and 89i to A ,tlll e 'olie- i. "',, n • The Omnium has risen to n and tyte Pler gii i t b,_e New 3 per Cents. are 891 to i. kk l ti4 a tei ii ~8 lia. to Bs. premium. Yoil i , `o row!"tocks there is very little animation. qi t o Prices of profits by those who bought c . e4 4 4 i‘e, Turkish Bonds are weaker, being Ole te n c A xit 'ati are rather firmer, viz., 2la I. (;:,N are at r are dull at 7t. anish 5 per ki b , a'o ri bat:i?„4l and Sardinian are steady at 87 ,1 11,,' the ' 4 t Per Cents. have been dealt in at ktNl il l b o t h 4 P er Cents. at 921 A, being a slight tlt," - 'lle u . eases. 1:t,21-'•.QL.eiril'ag.,are the nominal prices of foreign. it Oc h ,_° 21.1. Q a Deferred Bonds 7to 7 ; Mex i dit,to 4 . ,` 4 41.; P eruvian, GT to 69 ; ditto Three n ""o 1, 1 . ' / 1 1 ' 0 49 ; Portuguese Four per Cents., Q; l ty 41 tie4 iao Five per Cents., 98 to 100 ; I lh \ir and. t•qt +e w -,, a - Fialf per Cents., 87 to 89 ; it t -ueferred, 18i to 18i ; Ditto 3 per )6 i t kai r el 37 i ; Ditto Certificates, 4 to 44 - ; ;Nl. l ' B is (3 ' 4 to 4 00. .n, c o __ •.. . 1 / 4 1 1 ‘ (8 11t7 sharlieZtlerabla firmness in the market for . qf ' 4, ''' and the operations are to a fair xliptLaia,,.nadi.an lines are firm generally, li'''!liel , iler " antwerp and Rotterdam are fl 8 1h 4 at • 's l' ' 4l l e itiact• Y at ,„ ivo, and Joint • Stock Banks 4t ne— "out 13t, ' i t S'to • previous quotations. Canada , 11$, Sto ck is fully i per cent. better. A lAti p_ a UN'tts T lIIS DAY.—CLOSING PRICES. h fP 40 Vr. t t tit • tail r ° 7 4 the ORcia/ Lid.) l. k t o . . 4 1 ,„„, t ,4 . 4 . ti,,,,,_4 An nuities........ ...... 90 9 8 13 9 trine3s done 1 ~.t4.11, 1,.q,,,..7.8 An.neitiee A)ill'kti-c.ZAOptlitios ....; ....... rely Jan., 18e° . _ r l , l li o - ", ..7 4 zPi h April, 1885 16} ,',7'tt. ) M R. ~•• ......... 229 r l i*,,,, . t„ ..16,,,, "tp ' l l ,-- Kter . ' ..... .... 8 11t1 t4 14 Aec t.(4)° .. ' 20 18 %,„.„.. Qtlnt, 3011.. i . r 9O 89A 901 ill Y' .t..l ...... kay 11 i Pm t _ ),) iti lB, 4, .. e f t ' ...... 758 t, ...... ................. i k , I 'h/ h ................ ‘, B „11,, , 4 OF .................... .. 6 ti t y ltij'ol l( l, FOREIGN FUNDS THIS DAY. N 45 Bo be r ' 1825 3 , y 1 Itt t o Ce nt ' pe r . Cent _ 't s b, 448 , i •••• - ••• ... ... ... ...... k ti t ,_ , 4 . err e a , , ,Per Cent. Ftli - f .. N l e e e `2 Per C ent 7/ 7 tie 4 14• t :`• • .... , t h_ t it i llt. to r t)til s, ese°4tit Ito tr m, , ft Por Cent.. ...... .... 4 Ztla _ tl 'e Ac il : r Cent t. f -um 1i11t... ditto / t tl B ' 3 i po e .... ' ~. ke . r ct. .... • *** b I hre r , "count .. •'- ' • . 31 t el i i . , iteh 'hid '.2 Per Ce - iii 4 € ,_ 1 1 k , b. , cod en th '.l i ~.--%:‘,...„, 2, _--, above nayable in London. ii..r , a „..:t onr Cent. 12 Gull 631 " eartifieates'.... ' % II i 1 Di tt ° o o l%. . /4 .. .. : ............. 90 00i4 •,, 25 St. 20 it 2E St. 10 St. 25 10 5 20 20 20 20 20 [OO r,? E NI A R r s (THIS DAY.) B.AILWATB. RAILWAY). ..... Ambg. Nottng. Bost and Eastn. Junct... Bolfast & Ballymena. Binning. Wolvorh. itour Vall ,, y g rkeniid. Lanesl , . hosidre , Do. Cllesb. & Birk ,Csi/ sod £25 Con. Do., £2O 31yth & Tyn 3 origina £25 (issd. at £4,5 Bristol and Eseter... - lalcdonian Cannarthen and Ca , digan (Mester & Holyheao :ork and Bandon lork, Black, 4 Pas Cornwall Juuction ')ublin&Belfast , inne Dundee Perth &A b leen Junction Do. New...... ..... East Anglian....... ?astern Counties.. ''.astern Union, A Stock ...... De., B Stock Do., Now A FAA Lancashire Edinburgh & Glasgo Minh. and Peebles Edin. Prth 4 Dundo & Clyde Jun . Furness Do. Extension.. Glasgow &S. Weston ( ;rest Northern . Do., A. Stock Do., B. Stock Gt. Stb. &West.(lre. ) Great Western. Do. Stour Val. Rai' Qua. Stk .. rish South-Eastern. Lancaster & Carlisle Do., Thirds Do. New Thirds Lancash.andYorksi. Wst. Riding Un Liv.Orr3by .&Southiat London & Black wal Loud. Bright & S.Cst Loud, and N. West Do. Fifths D0.101.5h.,M&8 C Do. Eighths London andS. Westu Do., £5O Do., £4O findndrry& Col erain. hndndrry. & Ennisk . Vtaneh.Shef. k Li inch Do. Shares, No. I Do.,Man. & Lin. Un Midland 10. Birmng. SzDerl.) Nfidld.G, West. (In , ) Do. Half Shares Newcastle & Carlisle Nwpt.Aberg.'& HIV No wry tt sk ille Newry Warrenpoin' and Rostrevor. orfolk Nortlin.Cotmties North British.:... North Devon, No. I ! )0., No. A Deferred Do., B Guarao t.-ed N. as t ere —Berwie , 00. do. Extension , Do.do. (I,N,E. Purel. Do. Le. As Do. York North London Do. NOvi • atrn. , 7 stead, and City ✓ora St-affords . ti,al.ll Wostern .„ & S. Wosti n. Jun, Cnneaton, nekl i.ntl Leicester (Pxford t Worcester. Wolverhampton Pertemonth qtoottish Central •• Senttigh Midland _ inropshire [Jima Anna Devon South Eastern South Wales S. Yrksh. & Riv. Dot Do Staines, Wok &Wok Stockton k Dar lit, Sty&tun & Ilartlepl Taff Vale Do. £lO shares Do. Pref., No. Thames Haven Doel , and Railway Vale of Neath Waterf 1. & Kilkenny Waterford &Limeri( West Cornwall West End of London and Crystal Palace.. West London .[Wimbledu & Croydon air'ling PriCeB this diy. 20 -.21 41 - 81 - 8i 14 - 13 144 - 15 9 -- 8 85 - 87 63 -63 i - 144! 7 - 9 1 5 - 4 5i - 64 14 - 15 11 - 31 - :73 21 - 23 74 5 57 2d phr 18 19 ••• 68 - 70 91i -- 021 79 - 89 L 24 - 1' 6 95 - C6i - 58 -- 60 73 6 - 8 6 8 781 - 8 99 - 100 991 1001 id id * 4 1 814 84 8 7 (1 23 - 2 - 11/ 8 - 9 701 - 714 41 - 43 III• . •• •c• ..." 10 8 is 2 io -7- 51 29i ._ 30A 73 - 74 7 - Gs 41 - 131 - )3i 49 50 48 - 50 d -- par - 6 f 5 tar 28 - 30 .. ~- .. 45 47 124 in 61 62 23 - 29 5 - 3 3 - 1 37 - 39 3A i - 8 . ... gi 7 6.i. FOREIGN. 4 -. 3 i -iP ••• - 33 - 33$ 6 - 7i 24 -25 2 - 31, . - 6 17-, - 18. 52 5 4 92 - 94 li - 2 - t - - 2i 2t - 3 . 20 - 21.1 99 - 101 104 - 106 107 - 109 100 102 21i 22 [O7 -- 109 .. 3 - 3.. - - IP 11 2 12. i 5 7 2 3 6 - 6 i 3 . 6 361 13 - 13 Rk- 25 - 39 41 22 Pn' 23 184 iP 8 —Bi 2 211 pin -- 4 d = 6 r ••• ''.. •' ..• 18 - 18; BANKS. 80 - 82 id —par I id 17 _• 13 20 21 id par •••1 -- • • 32 = 34 40 - 42 ••• -- ... 70 - 72 7 9 81 6 806 Antwerpattott rdazu Belgian Eastn. June Beziers to Craissessae Bombay, Baroda, and Central India,Scrip Central of Italy Demerara Dutch Rhenish Eastern of France Do. New ..:........... • East Indian, g. 5 p• c. Do. EY'AilSiOh.. . Do. 4 p. c. Bds., pay '57, convertible...... Po. do. do., '59, do.. Tk of Cs.nathiA. is Do. St. ,Lawrence Atlantic do. • Do. Cert. of Debon., con. into Stk. till v Do. Comp. 6 p. c., do. Gt. Central of Frau,. Gt. Indian Peninsula guar. 5 per cent..:. Do. New 5 per cent. Po. Extensions...—. Great Luxembonrg Constituted Shares Do. Obligations Gt. Western of Canad Shares . Do. nits., payable's7, with option till '55 Do. do., '62, p. '56 Do. do., '76, p. '63 Do. do., '73, without option Hamilton & Toronto Do. 6 per cent. Lake Collat. & Bash Lnces & Pistoj a 5 p.c. pref................ Lyons and Geneva .. Lyons & triediterrati vigilrag Do. New Nl:aria Antonia ... I so. do. New 'damns Li Liege (wits Do. (ex interest)... northern of Frittoe. Do .20/. Sbs.late Char• loroi and Erquelinet gull% 3R p. c. & red. at 221. dur. 88 yrs. from l'Jan. 1851 Do. 201. 3 p. c Bdr (fmy. B. & A ms. She. NorwegianTrunkPre Paris and Lyons Ditto Bonds Paris and Orleans.... Paris and Rouen— ParisCac t p &Cherbrg. Rouen and 11avre..... Royal Danish Royal Swedish . -Aunbre and Meuse_ 1)o. 5A p. cent. Pref. Scind Southern of France.. St. Andrew's and Quebec (A) West Flanders Do 511 per c. Prof_ Western of France Woe:. of Switzerland Wisisbaden ........ Zealand • JOINT-STO ustralasia ........... British Colonial Baal; and Loan Company itritiih N. American Chartd. Bank of Asia Chrtd. Bnk. of India, __ . Australia, & China 5 Colonial I) Commercial of Load .8 English Scottish and' • Australian Chart 611 Load. Chart. Bk. of Australia 5 Ditto New London and County London Joint Stock Lond. & Weetminster National Proviiaci of England Do. New National of Ireland New South Wales 'Oriental. Bank of Corporation. - Provincial -of Irelan Do. New Royal A.ustraln.Bkg & Geld Imp Co South Australia Union of Australia Do. New UUloii of Londou ‘ Bnena:R 4onr this day. all 100' 00 all all 14 30- all all 86 63i 92i I 67 6 13 781 9 8i 1(01 100 1003iiii 15 25 i 1 71 i 1 i 30 291 28i 1 9 81 9 3311 z d 241 I 8 981 i i 181 211 1 1 1 2i , P THE SUI' , L LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING MAY 19. 1855, RAawl Bedford nth' Bletchlcy ... Buckghsmsb. Clydesdale Jo. Col. Stour Vy. Sud. and Hal. E. Lincoln gr. $ per cent. Clas. Barr. & Neils. Direct Do. New Glstr.esDn Fr Dk. &. Railway Hull & Selby 1)o. Shares. Do. Shares. Lon.&C,reenw Do. Preference Lon.,Til.,&S. Lowestoft gr. 4 per cent. Do. 6 per et. Mauch. Bxtn. and Matlock Middlesbro' & Recicar nidici.Brand Newmarket Bury Exton . Northern any Easternsp.c. Do. 6 per ct. Do. Fixeds p Prest. & Wyn: Do. Shrs. A Roystn.& Hit. Shen Roth a.n , l Goole g. 5 p`. e. Shrews. &Her S. Stalordsh. Wear Valleygr 6 per cent... Leo oVilts&G'omrst ~i.) L , ..%aalr4 b Coinpan.t. rtondca f. N. West L. &N. W. "Ja. E. Urt. C t. Nrthb. Oeldonian. Do a. Wes:, Yll. Neu Bern. V. N S. Easter ilo Peto & Co Vorfolk Do. L.& N. IV & Midid itekton & Darlingt Aidland Eli. Coun. E. Count. Do &N.W &Ln&Yh Grit North Laneash Yorksh. T. Brassey A. MClexi itoek t. & Darlingt . .)0 , ItWestn win:: ?rice: ycstcriay. P 9 9 - 101 134 - 136 ..• - .06 - 124 -- 13 23 , -- 24 lli -- lli - 2i - C!5 par -ip 57 - 59 iio :: iii 21 i - 2& :4 -32 A f 0 - 92 PREFERENCE SHARES. Iberdeen Do. N 0.2, 7 p. 0 317th and'ryne lOpe, c. pref. (issd. at 50/ & Ex. 4 p. c. St. Do. 4 p. c. Shares •lalodonian £lO ',hector & Hol;Theail Guar. 56 per cent r.)o. do. Pref. No. 2 no. do. Pref. No. 2 +3ork &Bandous6p.o Du o.Prth .& 74. Anglian Cis. ASh Do: do, C s. B 6 p. c. Dn. do. Cls. C 7 p. c. ~ astern Counties Ea tension, 5 p. c. No Do. No. 2 New 6 r. c. St.. i.;ast Un., G. 6 p. c Do. 51., 10 per cent. Do. 10/. Debentr.Sh. Do. do. 4 per cent... ~ flet Lancash.6 p.•et* &W. Yorlr. J. sths d. Prth.&Dun,4p.c. Fivue , s has. &5.W.G. 5 P.e .rest Northn. 5 p. C. 'o. 5 p. c. Redeem., at TO p. c. prom. )0. 1 p. C Do 5 p.c. Scrip, Red. ,t 5 p. c. "It. N. of Scot. Ist - It. S. &W. (Jr land Do. 4per c. Pr :t. . 4 1 Gt. Westn. (Rorke & Rants Ex. 5 p. Do. con. red. 46 p.c. Do. con. red. 4 P.C . Do. irred. 4p.e. Do. firm. Pref Si).. Do. °nester 8 p. D. do. 5 p. C. do Do. Birm. Gua. Stk Do. Ches. Gua. Sh.. IDo, do. d 0.... ....... . Do. do. ...... ran. & York. P. £2f 00. 6 p. c. Stock Lon. & Brigh. G. 5 p.c. Do. Prof., 5 p. C. St. Do. New Guar.6 P.C. Do. d 5 per c Gon.&N. W., Coy. Nuneaton 5 p. et Lon. & S. W. Con.3d .thady. Pi. Co er. 6 Sh . Lowly. & Ennic.6S Shef., & Lin. New, £lO Do. £1 )larypt .&Carl.4 p o D. 46 per cent Do 100 - 102 ,87 -8J ii. 76 98 - 100 - 3 . 4 st. - - - 1 13 - 13 jr 58 - 62 us - 111 101 - 1(.3 - - Fri 97 - 99 83 - 10 92 - 94 10 - 11 17 - 174 10 10 72 -74 191 -19 i p - 14A - 15 1 - 35 - 137 ••• ..... ... ••• ...... 11 2i - 3 1 13i -13 i i - iP ' Consol.6 p.c.St , Do. Consol. Bristol it Rirm. 6 per cent. Do. 4i p. 'c. Pref. St. 'o. Prof. sti per CO, Do. 5/. Pr f 4 p. c Ditto Lebo. ster and Hite en Pr f St Norfolk Debenture ,Do. Pref. 4 p. c. Stool Do. 5 p. o. Est Du. 54 per ct. prof__ Do. Way. Val. 5 p c North British N. E. Percy, 4 p.c P Do. do. do Do Leeds 6 p.c ‘..N0.1 De. do. Quarters P. Do. York &4. Prr. North Staffordshire.. Oxford, Worcester, Wolverh.Xls, 6 p .c Scot. Cent., New Pre , South - Devon Do. fixed, 44 per cen! 3. Eastern (Rcadini . Ann.) of Z 1 es. ed. Do. 44 per cent S Wales Gua. 4 p. c Do. d 0.4 p. S. Yorksh.4p.c.Cuar Stock. & Dar. , 5 p. c Do. do. do Stock. & Hart'. g. f p. c. till July 1 'SP. W fd. & Kilk.6 pc IFG - 138 96 - PS 4 - 41 • -87 04 - 106 99 -- ibl 91 -- 93 3i -- 3i i -----. l'a 106 - 1f 8 14} id 220 23 98 100 ii 1 - fi. •- • ••- i • - 2 p .21 -:- iia 51 4 M1..t5t,f(1..&. tinix,,ti -.E:l___ MINES. 1 tab Ago.. Fria .. ... i ••• i 1 all Anglo Austrin. Gold ... ... ... les. all Anglo California n 1 20 6 Austrulian i 1 4 1 all Australian Cordillera ... - .. 1 all Avo Maria .. 1 all Baden (Gd.Dachy of; 1 3 50 all Bliniaarvon Iron an.<l Coal .• 20 1.3. f British Iron 4 6 35 26 Brazilianlmp.(issued at £5 pm.) 30 all Do. Comes & Cuiab 21 3 3 20 15 Do. St. John Del R. 3 31 —33 1 Carson's Cre,:ll. i 1 * Clarendon Cons. Min Co. of Jamaica I 0 40 all Cobra Copper 54 56 56 5 1 Colonial Gold i St. all Copper Min. of Eng 30 40 25 All Do. Pref. 71 p. cent 2d 4ar ... 16 C0piap0....,... .... -. .. 21 23 5 all English and Austin Copper Smeltg ' 1A —li 2 1 Fortuna id —to 20 all General l5 —l7 161 1 all Ot.NuggetVeinßcg• I i 44 all Great Polgooth k 11 1 all Liberty.. .. . • A - i 3 all Linares.. tii 'if 5 1 Lusitanian — ip 13 1 all Mariquita ........ ..... I all New Granada — i 1 all New Linares Minim, and Smelting Co ... ... 1 all Nouveau Monde__ 1 i 20 all Pontgibaad Silve , Lead Min. & Smelt 141 151 5 1 Port Philip i I 1 all Quartz Rock 2. 50 all lthymney Iron l9 21 15 all Do. New 5 6 31 12. E Santiago de Cuba... 51 6 1 all South Aust:alian i i 10 71 Tin Croft... -• 3 28 all United Mexican . 61 6i 1 all Waller i i 1 all West Mariposa i d 1 12s. Wortlaing Mining o' Australia 1 all Yuba •• ••• 3IINING INTELLIGENCE. (From the Alini»g Journal of this day.) The greatest demand this week has been for the heavy dividend shares, which, at all times difficult to get, have been more so of late, notwithstanding considerably in creased prices are offered. Alfred Consols Mine has slightly improved, and the shares are recovering from their late depression. United Mines have been inquired after. St.. Day Uniteds, although good-improvements are reported at Wheal Maid, continue about the same in regard to price. Sortridge Consols took a sudden turn early in the week, and advanced to 21. 17s. 6d., 31. 2s. 6J., and left off at 21. 17s. 6d. to 31. ; the report states that the lode in the 30 east is worth 1201. per fm. At North Robert, the discovery referred to last week has further improved, and the lode in the 30 fin. level, at Trial shaft, going towards Sortridge, is 6 ft. wide, and improving ; a larze business has been done in the shares, at prices varying from 261. to-281, 103. At Pen-y-(fell:, the Michell lode .has been cut in a new part of the sett, 4 ft. wide, saving work for lead. . In North Basset a very large business has been done, and there k still a good demand for shares. The same applies to Tincroft, in which an improvement is reported. East Bassets have been done as high as 501. In Foreign Mines, the market has been quiet, but prices generally firm. . . . FRIENDLY SOCIETIES CONSOLIDATION BILL.-_--A public meeting of the members and friends of Building and Freehold Land Societies was held at the Public Office, Birmingham, on Thursday evening, to resist the bill now before the House of Commons, imposing_ stamp duties on the members of these societies. Thtffe was a very large attendance. •it,-,; ass this day. ta. ROUSE 01? LORPS-(YESTERDAYO The LOUD CHANCELLOB took his seat on tho woolsack at G' o'clock. The Earl of EGLINTON presented a petition agains the grant to IVltAynooth. _ Ttie Elrl of DERBY presented a petition against the total abolition of church rates: - Lori S .I.ND I'S presented a petition from Great rai mouth, praying for a comprehensive, measure of adminis trative reform. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from dissenting bodies id favour of the abolition of church rates. THE VIENNA CONFERENCE._ Earl GREY gave notice that he intended to postpone the motion for which he had given notice for Monday next until the following Friday. He did this with great regrtt, but it was to prevent the question being debated in both houses the same evening that he bad assented to the postponement of his motion. ARMY REFORM. CONSOLIDATION OF THE CIVIL DEPARTMENTS. Lord PANMURE, in rising, according to notice, to make a statement of a plan for the consolidation of the civil de. partments of the army, said—l have now, with your lord ships' permission, to address myself to a question, or rather to make a statement most intimately 'connected with the administration of the affairs of the army ; but I feel it is impossible to refer to a military subject to-day a ithout saying one word of congratulation in conneetien with the scone which wo have witnessed this morning upon the parade of the Horse Guards. (Hear.) This is the first occasion when the Sovereign, the fountain of all honours' in this country, has condescended to distribute those honours, not simply to men of high birtheholding commis sions in the army, bdt to the humblest soldier in her ser vice who has shed his blood in defence of her Crown and of the country—in defence of her honour and of the honour of the laud which gave him birth. It must have been a gratifying sight to your lordships to witness so many bravo and distinguished men receive these honours at the hands of their Sovereign, and I trust that this will not be a solitary instance of such a glorious scene, and that it will have the effect-of inspiriting the youth of this country to come forward and enter into a service in which they, too, may distinguish themselves and receive similar rewards to those which have been bestowed to-day. With these few remarks, I now proceed to make the statement of which I gave notice, in the first instance, for Monday last. My lords, lam not sorry that the delay which has 'unavoidably arisen has taken place, although I am quite. prepared to make that statement on Monday. The changes which I am about to submit to your lordships are not of a character which require the interference of any legislative act, but I think it would be only respectful to your lordships and the country that no material changes should take place in the administration of the army which are not plainly—at least as plainly as I can state them—laid in detail before your lordships, with a full ex planation as to the manner in which they are to be made, - and the effect they will produce. In dealing with this subject, I must, in the first place, guard myself by saying that I have no intention whatever of reflecting in the smallest degree, either upon the official character, or upon the official zeal and exertions of any officer connected with that department to which it is my purpose now to allude. I mean to deal with the system, and, if I complain of any thing, it is the working of the system ; it is not the officers who have had the conduct of that system, which they could neither alter nor amend. Nor do I propose to find fault with mere routine. I perfectly agree with the noble earl opposite who spoke the other night (the Earl of Derby), that no public, no official business could be conducted in this country without routine. A well regulated routine advances public business as much as an ill regulated routine rezare Is it. (Hear.) Without, therefore, a simple and well regulate 1 routine in all our official departments, we should have confusion instead of that simplicity which is so desir able, and which is one of the chief objects in the transac tion of all business. My objection to the system of the Board of Ordnance is, I am afraid, not confiaed to myself individually. During the six years in which I bad the honour of holding the office of Secretary at War I was accustomed to hear such objections, and I found during that period that the delays which occurred in the Ord nance Department—though no feed whatever of the officers of the Berra or of the other officers connected with that department—l say I fount that the inconveniences , which arose and the delays which occurred in that de partment were great obstructions in the way of the - military administration. Every commission that has in quired int 'the administration of the army has made re marks to the same effect. Committees of the Howe of Commons which have inquired into the arrhy and the Ordnance administration have also come to the same conclusion ; and yet, my lords, no Government has up to this moment undertaken to adopt any system by which the administration of the Ordnance Department might bo amended or improved. It appears to me, then, that the general opinion is that something ought to be done to sim plify the civil administration of the army. But a ques tion arises as to whether the present is a convenient time for making any large or extensive changes in our military administration. It has been hinted, if it has not been broadly stated, that during a period of war changes to any extent in the administration of a war department would be likely to prove inconvenient and to interfere with the conduct of the war. Now, I confess Ido not share that opinion. It appears to me that if imprnvemeuts can be made in any department, more especially in one connected with military administration, there is no time when it is so incumbent on us to make that improvement as the period in which it may be most beneficial and effective And, having satisfied ourselves that by the changes which we propose, no interruption will o ccur i n th e m ilit a ry service, that the supply of all the materiel of war will continue, w.th, perhaps, more speed and more accu racy, while that materiel will be fully as good in quality ; having satisfied ourselves that no difficulties will arise out of the various changes which are proposed, her Majesty's Government have resolved'to make those changes with as little delay as possible. It is proposed, in the first place, to abolish the Master-General and the Board of Ordnance, altogether. It is quite true that the Board of Ordnance and the office of Master-General is,' perhaps, one of the most ancient establishments which exist in this country. I think it dates from the time of Henry VIII., and it has borne in the military establishment of the State a far higher rank and distinction than of late years it has been accustomed to hold. The Master-General and members of the board hold their appointments by letters patent un der the Crown, and, therefore, no other step is necessary than for her Majesty to dictate a revocation of those let ters patent, upon which the Master-General and the whole Board of Ordnance cease to have any existence. The only question arising out of this proposed change in which Par liament will be required to render assistance is to enable the Secretary of State to hold the lands which aro at pre sent vested in the Board of Ordnance under an act of Par liament, which will be introduced shortly into the other house. Now, the Master-General and the board being abolished,establishment it becomes o w e i . th y ,th o e ur w l h or o d le e. connected teti necessaryw theith t o 0 rddenal nca ships are aware that this consists of two dep a r tments—one relating to matters which are purely military, and the c other to matters of purely a civil character. The matters which are purely military are the commands of the Royal Artillery and of the Royal Engineers. These commands it is proposed to vest in the Commander-in-Chief f the army. I have never yet been able to understand why the Comman der-in-Chief of her Majesty's troops should not have the chief command as well of the Artillery and Engineers as of the cavalry and infantry. (Hear.) There can be no difficulty in the transfer 'of the command of the Artillery anti Engi neers to the Commander-in-Chief, bac ruse in the Artillery there is a Deputy Adjutant-General and an Assistent-Quar ter-Master-General, entirely and exclusively belonging to that force, who can conduct the military administration of that branch of the service under the Commander-in-Chief, exactly in the same manner as it was conducted by the Mas ter-General of the Ordnance. In the same way, there is a Deputy Adj utan t-Generalof Engineera who, communicating with the Commander-in-Chief, would convey his orders to that - corps precisely as he now conveys to it the orders of the Master-General. , It would be wrong in me if I omitted this opportunity, in dealing with the military members of the Ordnance, of stating to your lordships that it is the con current opinion of every officer as u ell as of every member of her Majesty's Government, and of other Governments who have had to-do with Sir Hew Ross and Sir J. Burgoyne in their military capacity, that two officers more meritorious on account of their scientific knowledge, and who have taken greater pains to bring to perfectionthese branchesof the ser vice over which they have presided, never bore her Ma jesty's commission. The manner in which the artillery was forwarded to the seat of war conferred upon Sir Hew Ross the highest possible character, and stamped him as an officer of artillery of rare and uncommon merit. We manner, also, in which Sir John Burgoyone has conducted operations as chief of the engineer department is equally well worthy of my humble testimony, and of the approba tion of your lordships anti of the country. My lords, I have felt that I could not touch upon this branch of the subject without making references to the services of these two distinguished officers, who have been the means of bringing the artillery and engineer departments of the army to their preeent state of perfection ; but now I will pass to the civil branch of the Ordnance Department. The civil branch of that departments consists, as your lordships are aware, of the Master-General of the Ordnance, who is not a member of the board, but who is supreme over the whole department, and who can approve or disapprove the actions of the board ; he can also order the expenditure of any money to carry on the busines s of the department, Lord renewed upon the Raglan, t o assume but all financial measures which he may order must b e carried out by officers of the board . The next member is the ' Lieutenant - General of the Ordn ance , an office which the m abolished,asteandGen Master-General, al, L as on o l the command of the a rm y in the field ; an d th en come the Surveyor-General, the Cler k of the Ordnance, and the principal storekeeper. Th e e four o fficers furor the Board of Ordnance, and I will now p roceed to state to your lord shipsdweaps formerlyrt u departure o f what are the duties which there officers are called upon to perform. The duties of the Master-General, as stated in the report of a select committee, are, in a civil capacity, to take entire control over the whole departaient. He has the power of doing any act on. hie own authority, and can order the expenditure of money for the purpose of the department, bat That expenditure must be carried out by the officers of the board,. The Lieutenant-Ge• neral, at a time when the Master-General is present in this country, has no active office, but in his absence he presides generally over the whole business of the board. The Clerk of the Ordnance is the financial member of the board, and it is his duty to prepare the estimates cf the . money required for the service of the department, and to lay them before Parliament, and generally to control and super intend the expenditure of the whole department. The prin cipal storekeeper, as his title implies, has the care of the immense military stores of this country, of all the ordnance carriages, arms, and ainunition, and, in fact, he appears to me to be the officer of the greatest importan ce attached to the Board of Ordnance. These are the sup er i or officersatP re sent constituting the Board of Ordnance. No w , my lords, it is proposed, to abolish as I have stated, that boardaltogeth ' er, and this is the arrangement which we propose to adopt. We propose that the Secretary of State for W ar shall have the supremodirection of and be responsible for the adminis tration of all the business of the department'. We propose to place under the Secretary of State, for the purposeofcaY re ince out his emetic and i n struction, a chief civil offi cer The diitie; of that officer will be to receive all orders with respect to the civil administration of the army from the Secretary of State ' to convey those orders to the head s o f th e diffe r eti b branches, and to apportion them among the members of the Administration. It is further proposed that this officer shell be a member of the house of Commons, that he shall then be responsible fur all returns relating to the civil ad ministrative of the army, and that it shall be his duty to move iu one combined estimate the whole expenditure of the M^, ir. .1 fh st r xeeu.litnre iee mov"..el es at pre see t its three distinct estimates—one for the army, another for the Ordnance, and another for the 00Lumisganiat. It is proposed to combiue these three .estimates iu one, so that tlse House of Commons and thecountry"' slay see at one view What is the *hole -military expenditure of the country for the current year, from a statement drawn tie in a simple form, and easily understood by all. It will further _ be. the.daty of this officer, having - conveyed the orders which - he may receive from the Secretary of State to thndifferent branalreec to See - that. those orders are regu larly carried out, and,. fat that s purpase, each Branch will. - be called onto keefi table,. -and to _enter- in it the various Orden which it may receive. ..K . Anplicate will be kept in the Office- of the Secretary of State, in which he will note the orders issued upon. particular days, and, by calling daily or weekly for the production of the tables of the various branches; he will be able, by a comparison with his own, to see at once the manner in which his orders have been' carried out, and whore there has; been delay or malLexecution, and thus will 'be able to do that which is now found to be so.difficult, that is, to place the saddle on the right horse. These are the chief duties which 'Will aPpertain to this new officer whom we propose to ap point ; and now Lorne- to the existing Offices in the civil administration of the Ordnance Department. I may say, my lords, that when this 'new arrangement comes into ope ration, hoWever these offices . ; are filled now, all re-appoint ments will be made with the view of appointing the best men to be the head of the different branches, so that this - I will not say experiment, hut rather great scheme—may have every chance of success. My lords ' there is one effice, • and only one, with_regard to which I find anyeeliffi culty in drawing the line of demarkation between the military and civil departments, and that is the office of In spector-General of Fortifications. As regards the planning of fortifications and drawing up schemes of defence, the -Inspector-General of Fortifications wilt be under the autho rity of the Commander-in-Chief; but, as regards superin tending the buildings of fortifications, or the erection of works of defence—that is to say, as far as regards the car rying sent the civil contract, he will he under the control of the Secretary of State. I do not anticipate that any .practical difficulty will arise from this arrangement, and, -indeed, Sir John Burgoyne, who now so unexceptionably fills the office of Inspector of Fortifications, foresees no diffi culty,in continuing to render his valuable services under -toe new arrangement which is proposed. I may state, my lords, that I am now dealing with a class of officers who must, for the public convenience, have offices in London, and, if possible—and I hope that in a short time it may be so—under the same roof as the Secretary of State. I now come to the Director-General of Artillery. At present that officer is appointed by the .r. - 'aster-General of the Ordnance. The duty of the Director-General will be to advise the Secretary of State for War in all matters connected with the materiel of the artillery department. The Director-General decides as to the mode of arming all works which are erected by the Inspector-General of For tifications. He has to inform himself as to the number, nature, and condition of all guns, mounted and unmounted; in charge of the Artillery, in all parts of her Majesty's dominions. That officer is ex officio president of what is called the "Scientific Committee," and ho superintends the introduction - of all changes and improvements in the materiel of the arsenal. His oases, therefore, must be close to that of the Secretary of State, because, upon all matters relatingto the materiel of the artillery, he must give the Secretary general advice. The next of those high offices is a new one in connexion. with the Ordnance. Inasmuch as the navy makes great demands for stores upon the Ordnance Department, it has al ways been thought necessary to have a naval officer connected with the Ordnance for the purpose of giving advice in all matters relating to navalgunnery. At present the officer who holds that appointment is Sir T. Hastings. I propose in future to place the naval officer in connexion with the Director-General of Artillery, and he will be called the Naval Director of Artillery, He will be charged with superintending all the improvements which may be introduced into the naval gunnery of the country. He will there be in a pOeition to make his voice effectually heard in all questions of arms, and. in all suggestions that may be made for improvements in those matters. He will also snake himself generally acquainted with all the different stores which may be under the charge of the Ordnance. and he will be in immediate communication with the Ad miralty, so that no time may lie lost in equipping ships, when the hour arrives for their equipment, with such materials as may be furnished from the Ordnance. It is essentially necessary that that officer should be a mem ber of the Scientific Committee, and ho will be cx officio a member accordiug'es. The next office to which I shall allude is that of the superintendent of stores, which is, in my opinion, entirely a civil office. Although those stores may and do consist of articles for the military service, yet I conceive that very groat her4t will be de rived from placing at the head of the storekeeper's depart ment one who is thoroughly acquainted with the classifi cation of stores, with the mode of receiving them, with dheir custody, with the manner of keeping accounts, with the system of issue upon mercantile principles, and also with that of which I am afraid many military storekeepers are entirely. ignorant—narneli, the mode of taking stock upon approved commercial principles. I remember being upon. a, committee of the House of Commons when the question was asked, whether eve had any thorough and perfect knowledge of the amount of military stores which were in the different storehouses belonging to this country at home and abroad. The answer was, that it would be extremely difficult to ascertain the amount; and, upon the question being put whether it would not be perfectly easy to take stock of the stores, the answer was, that it would ba almost impossible. I think th .t that is a branch of the service which ought to. be con ducted upon the most approved commercial principles. It will he the duty of the storekeeper to have a thorough knowledge of the mode in which the business of his depart ment is carried on. He will have, a great number of deputies under him, and he must from time to time, by personal inspection or otherwise, ascertain the manner in which hiss deputies at the different stations are conducting his business, and he will be responsible to the Secretary of State for the entire conduct of the storekeeping depart ment of the Ordnance. This is a department of no small importance, and your lordships may form some estimate of its extent when I state that there are at present no fewer than 90 stor,keepers, with salaries varying from 150/. to 800/. I hope that we may be able very considerably to re ' duce that number of storekeepers. The next officer is one whose duties are almost entirely distinct from the Board of Ordnance, namely, the superintendent of contracts. I do not know with what truth it is asserted, but 1 have always heard it insinuated, that the contract system of the Ord nance has not hitherto possessed the confidence of the com mercial world • and I think that I might, if so disposed, cite instances in which it had not worked well for the purpose. I have heard it stated that under the present system many of the most respectable business firms in the country have declined to enter into competition, and to make tenders when contracts have been put out by the Ordnance for articles which they might have supplied. It is not my in tention to inquire how that state of things has as hen; but the remedy seems to be to establish a branch which shall have the superintendence of the whole of the public contracts made for the arrnyor . the Ordnance. That is another branch which is purely of a commercial character; and I propose to place at the head of it as good a commercial gentleman as I shall be able to find for that purpose, who has the con fidence of the commercial world, and who will be, I hope, emphatically a " right man in a right place." The duty of that officer will be, as I have st sled, to make all contracts. He will not interfere with the execution of those contracts, but he will have to enforce their fulfilment, and to take any measures that may be necessary to effect that object. I now come to another department with which it is abso lutely necessary that the Secretary of State should have immediate communication—l mean that which is to super intend the clothing of the army. There is no department, in my opinion, in which it is more essentially necessary to take steps to secure a proper administration than in the furnishing of clothing to the army. Until within the last year or two the clothing of the cavalry and infantry was furnished by the respective colonels of re g iments. There arose a very general o bj ec ti on t o th a t system; indeed, it was so general that two years ago the Secretary at War relieved the colonels from the duty and responsibility of clothing the regiments, and took that respcnsibility upon the Government. That may have been is very proper arrangement, but I do not believe that it will be found altogether a profitable one for the public. It certainly Will be more convenient for the colonels, but there were many advantages (although there might have been at the same time, also, some disadvantages) in the colonels clothing their regiments, which will not accrue when the clothing is furnished by the Government. On the other hand, there are, no doubt, advantages which will result from the clothing being undertaken by the Government; which did not wise under the old system. In the new arrangement, I propose to constitute a superintendent of clothing. The effect of this appointment will be to do away with the board of general officers. They will have no occupation, and they will be of no use to the public after that new system shall be brought into practice. No patterns of uniform can be adopted, or altered, or in any way deviated from, except by the express command of the Sovereign, signified through the proper authority —and in future that proper authority will be the Secretary of State. In accordance with such command, patterns will be sealed and committed to the custody of the clothing director. With the aid of such professional assistance as he may choose to call in, it will be the duty of the clothing direc tor, as the head of this department, to inspect all cloth ing materials before they are made up for the purposes of the army ; and it will also be his duty to inspect, and be responsible for, all clothing after it has been furnished, to see that it is properly packed,' and, where ne cessary, duly shipped, so that it may be delivered at the proper time to those regiments, both at home and abroad, which are entitled to receive it. It may take some little time to get into working order, but I h ave no d oubt that the duties of this officer being effi c iently fulfilled, the re sult will be a system of clothing which will insure regula rity of delivery, and uniformity of pattern, throughout the whole army, while it will enable us materially to improve the quality of the clothing, and thu s reme d y an evil --hich has often been the subject of complaint. That is one mat to which the superintendent of clothing ought s n diately to direct his attenti on , f or no man cn lookgiaet" the clothing of our soldiers in this country without being at once struek with th e very inferior nature of the material of which it is composed, and which renders it liable not only to wear out sooner than better clothing would, lint causes the soldier to suffer far more than is necessary from the inclemency of tho weather. Those are the branches of the departments which it appears to Me it is essentially necess kry should sit, if possible, un der the same roof with the Secretary of State—with whose transactions ho should be acquainted t because, if inti mately acquainted swith them, having a general eye over their operations through the civil officers with whom he is in communication, he will bo e na bl e d t o see w h e th e r a ll the duties are properly performed, and ho will be enabled without much difficulty, whether' in time of war or in time of peace, to carry on the military .departments of the army with something like a unity of purpose. There aro, however, certain other departments which, though some of a military character, are also of a civil Nature, inasmuch as they are more or less manufacturing de partments. In my opinion, as they are departnacni.s of manufacture, they ought to bo under the civil control e of the Secretary of State, who is responsible to h country that the 'articles they manufacture are not quantity in ferior in quality or pattern, or deficient in lords, all these for the use and service of the country - . departments will continue to hold the position they t y b li e e . y ( ;s 1 t a h t present at Woolwich, or Enfield, t t i o le w e t e m direct regard to Woolwich, the first officer o as your lordships' attention, is an . who will bo called This officer, in the first the Superintendent of Olnanc continue to have charge, of the place, has charge, and w manufacture of all brass ordnance. He is also charged with seeing that all .the guns, shot, andshell received into the service aro constructed according to the pattern, and a dapted to the service for whichhoy are required. Ho will a lso have the proof of all ordnance, and will 11 be required to keep a correct account of all ordnance which passes through his hands, of the persons to whom he delivers it, and when it was delivered over to the army. He will be at the head of the branch of the manufacture of ordnance ats , the Arsenal Woolwich, a t and will-carry on his operations there, but under a different system to that which has hitherto been pursued. Ad these departments, my lords, are entirely nelereailledy reegeue. OA, and their officers are aelen able to the thititary autherity and su jeet to militareedis cipline. The offiser h as c h arge of, Ws &pertinent ie a military racer ' ued it is intended to contieue in the char ge of this arel other :departments the most efficient officers that are to found in the ranks of the Royal Ar tillery - but in order that they may be to direct their attention entirely to the duties of the departments over which they shall have. charge, I propose that they shall be seconded from-their regiments lona peesied 91 UV°, years, and after that, it. it iCtiet thought !keener! to C* thine them as tho headii 'of lhoiie diesaithinets Over which they may have had share ; they stall-resume their position in the regiments in the same manner as engineers taken from the Artillery for civil service are treated at present. o T f h t i h s ewirilelormelmieavnedtig officer,h n oseoffie and the same fre a m teimme e di t a i te me co i n e t a r v o e l . them in their proper position in the regiment without loss of promotion or rank, while it will procure for the civil por tion of the War Department the services of officers of the greatest energy to conduct the business of those dePart meats over which they may be pl ace d . The next officer is the superintendent of the carriage department, which is a department now existing. This officer will be charged with the construction of all gun carriages for the navy as well as army, of`" waggons for amm un iti on and land trans port, of ambulances for the sick, and all milt 1 ary chines. This includee a large manufact ure o f iron work as well as of *nod. This officer will also have to second in the slime way, for a period of five years thiring which he is at the head of the department—when he may be changed, though this is not absolutely necessary, and may return to his regiment without the loss of promotion or rank in the service. The next officer is the superintendent of the labora tory. This officer will be charged with the preparation of am munition for e ver y s p ec i es o f arm; likewise cf all combusti ble material and pyrotechnic composition for the army and navy. The next officer to whom I shall refer is the supei in tendent of small arms, who is not confined to Woolwich, as your lordships are aware that there is erected, or almost finished, at Enfield, a Government manufactory of small arms, which, though it will not at present supply the army to the extent it may require, will, at all events, enable the Government, in time of peace, to accumulate a sufficient store to supply the army hereafter in tines of war. This officer will be charged with the duty of the construction of such small arms as are manufactured by the Government; with the inspection of all small arms furnished by contract, and be responsible for their proof and their correspondence with pattern. Your lordships will perceive that the du ties which this officer will have to - perform are of a yore important character, and it is proposed to place at the head of that department an officer of the Royal Artillery, to second in the same way. There is one other depart. ment only to which I have now to advert. It is a very important one, and is now connected with the Royal La boratory ; but I think the - duties are so extensive; and performed altogether so distant from Woolwich, that it will be better to erect it into a separate branch by it self. I mean the superintendence of the gunpowder manufacture, now conducted at Waltham Abbey. The officer who will take charge of that department will natu rally reside at or near Waltham Abbey, where the Govern ment mills are.' He wil lelso be responsible for receiving and proving all gunpowder made by contract for the Go-: vernment. He will also be responsible for the quality and Purity of the saltpetre to be issued for the manufacture of gunpowder. Ho will also be responsible for a duty not at present belonging to that department—l mean the re stoving of gunpowder, which appears to me to be essenti ally a duty attaching to the officer having charge of the manufacture of gunpowder. He will also be an'officer of the Royal Artillery, selected on account of his fitness for the office; and the whole of the five offices s I have men tioned will, under the officer at the head of the civil administration, conduct the business of the several de partments. The manufacturing bUsiness will be carried on upon the manufacturing principles adopted in this commercial country, and I hope with economy, regu larity, and success. Now, the only other point to which' I need refer is a question which has been asked, and may be asked again —If we have a civil officer representing these offices, what will the Under Secretary have to do ? My answer is simply that the duties of the officer who will have the charge of the civil administration of the army will be so multifarious that there will be plenty of work for the Under-Secretary of State to do, in answer ing in the absence of his chief for all such points of the political administration of the War Department as he may be responsible for—matters connected with the discipline of the army and with the movement of troops. Whon I held the office of Secretary at War 99 out of every 100 questions in the House of Commons affected points of mili tary discipline, the movements of troops, and matters of that description, rather than financial matters more imme diately connected with the duties of the cffice. I appre hend, therefore, there will at least at present be room for both these officers, and I do not propose to dispense with the Under-Secretary of State in the House of Com moos, although we make a new officer, or rather charge au old officer with new duties. Such, my lords, is the sche me w hi c h , a ft er care f u l cons i deration, I have laid before your lordships. Ido not pretend to say that it is perfect, but it will by daily operatiou work itself into smooth gear. My object is to itsfuse into our busi ness transactions the spirit of commercial activity and acuteness, and into our operative departments the sound principles and common-sense practice of the manufacturing districts—so to arrange all branches that one mind may pervade the whole machine, and at the same time be kept clear of all the small details of its varied operation. Theta may be some little trouble, seine little asperities at first ; but these will soon pass away, and, with whatever feeling these proposals. may be received now, I anticipate that the time will come when when they will have justice done to them, and our motives in bringi ng th em for ward will be duly appreciated. I have already stated these changes will not recpiire any act of Parliament to carry them into effect, b.nd I may add. that it is the intention of the Government to carry them out with the least possible delay. I have said nothing as to the expenditure which may be attendant upon these changes, because lam as yet unable to produce any de tailed statement of the expenditure likely to accrue under the new system. But I can assure your lordships that I have so far ascertained the effects which may be expected as to he able to say I have every reason to believe- in deed, I fee/ convinced—we shall Slid it more economical than the present system, and that I shall nut be called upon to ask for a, single shilling to pay these new °facers or to meet any increased expenditure. If these changes had been iu my opinion calculated to operate to the pre judice of the public service, I should not have undertaken them at this time, oven at the risk of being blamed, to gether with my colleagues in the Government, for not removing a grievance of which the public has thought it had reason to complain. I am quite aware we have not gone so far as some military - reformers would call on us to go, but I think we have gone far enough. The subject, has been carefully considered, both as to the changes them selves, their effects, and the propriety of introducing them at the present time, and I have little doubt that the adop tion of these plans will bo found conducive to an improved administration of the civil departments of the army. It' dill, no doubt, be some time before all these improvements cap show themselves, but I trust soon the system will be found to be ono which will command the approbation of the country, whose business we desire to conduct with in creased efficiency. (Hear, hear.) The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH—I must say it is ex tremely satisfactory to find that it is not considered neees eery to have recourse to the intervention of Parliament. It is most desirable that the changes which the noble lord proposes should bo made on the authority of the Crown. The noble lord will then have an opportunity of making any alterations which he may think to be necessary, and those who may succeed him will also have the same power. I trust; also, when the noble lord reserves to himself the power of displacing all present officers whose duties be may consider can be better performed by other persona, he will not hereafter be surprised if the same power should at some future time be exercised by his successors. The abolition of the office of Master-General of the Ord nance, the amalgamation of the office of Secretary at War with that of the Secretary of State for War, and the union of the Commissariat with the "War Department seem tome to be very great and important changee,and I think it would be convenient if the noble lord would direct that a menia -1 randum shall be prepared and laid upon the table for your lordships'informatiou, showing the present powers of the several officers whose situations it is proposed to abolish, and the powers intended to be entrusted to the officers by whom they are to be succeeded, rso that we may have a tabular view of the entire alterations which are proposed. We are without anyinformation as to the manner in which the Commissariat Department - a departuseut of the great • est importance—is to be administered. I apprehend that at present there is no one, in that department between the Minister for War and the chief clerk of the Commissariat Department who formerly acted under Sir C. Treve lyan. It- appears to me that there is a difficulty about all these arrangements, and I want to know what is to be the real responsibility of the Minister for Ware I know that he will bo answerable for hia conduct in his Owe in Parliament, but I want to know to what extent ho data be really responsible. (Hear.) A veryconscientious man, placed.at the head of the War Department, might think it necessary for him to look into every detail of the Commissariat Department; but, if he does that, and en deavours also to acquaint himself with all the details of the office of Secretary for War, and of the office of Ord nance, it is perfectly impossible that ho should perform these duties satisfactorily, for he will be overwhelmed with business. If, on the other heed, he considers that he incurs a mere technical responsibility, all the evils of the present division of authority will be practically continued, the busi ness will be conducted most unsatisfactorily, and there will not be that unity of direction which is de,irable. In my opinion it is absolutely impossible to carry on the depart ment' of the Commissariat without giving it souse o•tensible head—a person of authority, who shall be respon sible in the eye of the public for the adnair Warnistrn will i itt t h ve e department. No doubt the Ministsr fo the power of giving directions with ay test the accuracy n reference to that Ide partment, and on some ace lions h e 11 of the statements made to him, and look into the detail 3. Indeed I consider that no one can possibly i conduct the business of the public well unless he occasionally ool:s into the minutest details of his department, and ascertains the I conduct of those who administer it.question vv very to he a violation of the policy of annexing the office of Secrete] y at al of Minister for War. It seems to rue incurs expenditure, to m tli le a h t finances principle, because a Minister for War incurs _ and the Secretary at War has hitherto mana tr g , T ex th p e endi of the army, and it has been his duty to control of ofroctiug and Now, to give tithe same person the ) ex penditure. of centielling expenditure se.nns Te-aliCl7traieicilnutrnieiliscrteisuunitisn. principle which can hardly It thay be quite right that ti! t e n t :,, i 4ecretary I overruling the Secretary , for War shoeld have the power of controllin f g ai advantage in at War, hut there is is to ve w ry nk g e re r a n t p resentatious. having an officer whose dut s y r r - t l ike as he pleases, but let him Let the Secretary f c o e r r i ta V i a n l a ppears to me that e according bear first ; and it there y will be no one to nuke repro to the present proposal, sentations as to the finances of - the army. With regard to the Ordnance, I rccallect the time when that depart ment was under the control of the Duke oteWelline ton, and when the present Commanderein•Chief was Clerk of the Ordnance, and the opinion - of the Duke of Wellington at that time was that no department of the State was so well organised, and that in no other de partment was business so well conducted. I have no doubt that while the noble duke and my noble friend were. at that department it was admirably conduct e d, and I think the prineii.ll upon which that board was framed was to the last degree: superior to the principle upon which the Beard of Admiralty is framed, bee ause i t gave authority to the chief—(hear, hear)—a.nd tare was - really no difficulty in transacting the busine ss . I o bj ect to the abolition of the n office of Master-Gene ra l of the Ordnance up o oee two m grounds, both of whi c h I think are worthy the s. ions consideration of your lordships and of th e pu b l i c. In the first place, I object to placing the whole patronage of the army in the hands of one man, so that gentleman in obtain for his England will b e a bl e to no . • son t o any branch of the military service without going to ono tudi vidual. (He ar , h ear ' ) I think that would-be practically a very objectionable arrangement. I think another great practical objection to the change is this the life of the Duke of Wellington it was not at all necessary `for any Goverothent- to have the TI ;ist.r General. of the, Ordrisnce in the Cabinet. The Ditie:e of Weilineten was uniforuile the honest adviser of all the positeee efettlei rs is now very differeM alert& tkisok that to take from the Gavel rim eut the . power olVtvinkrttni military frie n d of t h eir own wheteVer hid antherity i t z e t l e r a e e t c ; s t . t b e i t ti i e e r te e t ly r e l i a rc se z i l o , e n s w ta i e ti c i e c e o i e ri fi f d o en_ l i y i rn i as has uer - very great less to: the pabli c . I t is impessible_thet the ctevernmeset marry_. Occasions have derived great adi-anteke from easistan ce o f t h e latoTeord Angle bbeeena sea as .a member of the Cabinet; but now in riled a posi tion will the proposal of the noble lord place the Govern ment? He proposes to abolish the omce of Master -General of the Ordnance. The Secretary at War and the Clerk of the Ordnance aro civilians. The Minister for. War will Usually be a civilian. Indeed it would be a very great ads i vantage to the public f any military man should bnin position to hold the office. (Hear, hear.) We must, .how ever, look to the probability that the Minister fo r W ar will generally be a civilian... In the office of the Minister for War—Who will direct net only the movements of the army, but who, under the proposed alterations, is to deal with all the scientific details which are called civil, but which are really military—there will not . be, therefore, one military man, nor will the noble lord have the means-of bringing to Ills 'side any one military m an in whom he has confidence. No doubt military men will most ,rift - ay - give Min theiFitilviee on all occasions when they may be asked to do so, but lie cannot be in the habit of daily confidential eommunieation 'with a Military man in whom he has confidence, and whose advice might be most valuable in enabling him to conduct satisfactorily the busi ness of his office. I think this will not only be a great loss to the individual minister, but that it will also be a serious loss to the public. Many of the alterations which are sug gested by the noble lord may be improvements,,but expe lerd, general if h s c e h c e e m n e d o e lien ' only can show w h e th er th e y are improvements or not. I h ave t h ought it right to state those objections which : seem to m e t o apply practically to a material part of the fstohem:Gi n ov p e l r a n ce m u en p t o , n andthe table h h l o e p e e m th e e m n e o ra b h le . dum showi ng at on tended to carry into effect. Earl GREY —I having but suchl world g a in view all the alterations nd which it is in. quite concur with th e no bl e ear l i n the andgreat l advantagelaid d before of huthemy reason for not e n t ering into the discussion to-night is be oora a littlenni preparedfurt he. r cause I think it quite impossible fur any of your lordships really to understand this sehonie, which is one of consider able complication, without having it before you in much greater detail than is the ease at present. I agree with the noble earl that it is very fortunate it is not necessary to carry a measure through Parliament in order to regulate the future administration of th e army. I think this may be much better done by the authority of the Crown.. I believe my noble friend. in explaining his s cheme, said it would b e - nomany that-Parliament-shotild transfer all the property which is now vested by various acts of Parliament in the Master-General of the Ordnance to new authorities. I think, however, it is very desirable that the new arrange ments should be made by the Crown ; but although they are made by the Crowe, I hope. they will be embodied in some formal document. I conceive that it is advisable to - carry into effect measures of this kind in a very formal mode, and I hope that, either by new letters patent or by orders in Council, or by some equivalent &ailment of well kuoan and formal authority, the respective duties of the different officers who are to be appointed under the new arrangement will be clearly defined, and that such docu ment will be laid before Parliament. (Hear.) I took the liberty of mentioning some time ago that, in my opinion, the great mistake made last year, when the offices of Se cretary for War and the Colonies were divided, was in not having a minute of this kind prepared by her Majesty, in Council—(hear)---in which the new arrangements for the transaction of business might have been olearly defined. In the hope that acme document will eventually be laid before Parliament, and that we shall then be able to form a better opinion than we can at present of the plan which has been described to 113, I shall forbear on the-present occasion from going further into this discussion beyond saying a single word or two. Upon one point I quite concur with the noble earl opposite. 1 cannot help fearing that, by the arrange ment which is proposed, too gret - , a mass of business of de tail will be thrown upon the secretary of State. No man holds more strongly than I do the necessity of authority, but a concentration of authority is psrfectly compatible, tinder proper arrangements, cm ith the due division of la bour, and, as far as I understand the scheme, I dnnot think it provides for coy concentration of authority. I continue of the opinion I have formerly expressed, that cm ith re gard to business of this kind, involving a great many de tails, no organisation is so good as that of a board ; and I quite concur with the nuble earl there should be a chief of the board, whose opluiOns should he unquestionable by the subordinate members, and who should have authority to carry into effect his own opinions. I believe, practically, every First Lord of the Admiralty, who is competent to perform the ditties of - the oflice,_ is First, Lord to that ex- ..... _... tent, and I cannot give a better illustration than by quot . lug the well-known axiom of the late Lord Spencer as to the mode Of carrying- .on business .at a board. Lord Spencer said—" I tell my subordin a t e s that, if th e y can not work with. me, -- and. carry my. views into effect, I must have a new board." (Laughter.) If each mem ber of a - board .is - to be standiug upon his own opinion it is perfectly obvious the b us i ness must come to a dead lock. You must have concentration of authority, and I cannot help fearing that, while a great mass of details is thrown upon the Secretary of State, that concentration of authority is not provided. (Hear.) All through my noble friend's speech ho seemed to lay great stress upon continu ing the division between military and civil. business and military and civil duties. As it appears to me, he is going . to leave the Commander-in-Chief precisely as at the present time. lam persuaded that while this continues—while one peraonis net responsible, both for the efficiency with which the service is conducted, and for economy —you will not have the machine working well. I believe it can be made to work well by a very simple altei ation.in the position of the COmmander-iu-Chief. The only alteration necessary will be this : —that those proposals which it is now the -duty of the Commander-in-Chief to submit to the Sovereign in person shall invariably go to the Sovereign through the Minister of War. (Hear.) I believe that a member of the Cabinet ought to submit to the Crown everything which requires the sanction of the Crown, and that'one member or another of the Cabinet ehouhl be responsible for every measure which is approved by the Crown. (Hear.) It ih an anomaly only of recent date—it has grown up within the last GO or 70 years —that many most important Inca- SUMS, adopted_ by the Government relating to military affairs, are submitted directly to the Sovereign by the commander-in-Chief; who, is converted into a Minister, instead of filling a subordinate position in a military office. The Earl of ELLENBOEOUGH—Perhaps the noble lord will tell us what he' intends shall be the future rela- AiOnS between what is now called the Transport Board and the Minister of War. The transport service was under one of the Lords of the Admiralty. A board has recently been constituted. I have a great objection to all boards, but it appears to me nothing is-so anomalous: as the posi liOn of Captain Milne, a member of the Board of Admi ralty, having a qualified authority over the Transport Board. (Hear.) So far as I can jUdge, the Transport Board will not be placed in connection with the Minister of War, though without the active co-operation of the Transport Board the Minister of War cannot move a regiment. If the Minister of War is to have control over the move ments of the army by sea and by land, I cannot see how the present arrange,nent can by possibility be consistent with the public service, and I would suggest to the noble lord to consider the expediency of abolishing the Transport Board. (Elear.) Lord MONTEA.GLE hoped that their lordships would especially be well informed as to the financial arrangements relative to the army, but more particularly of the relation of the Commissariat to the Trea - eurv. He himself had been a member of the commission v.hicli had recommended the consolidation of the army departments generally ; but with reference to the eamtnissariat a di s ti nc ti on had .been drawn. Within the last year the transactions of that department amounted to no less a sum than 900,000/. sterling; and there was also at their dispersal a sun , . of 1,000,0001: sterling to be disbursed solely according to discretion. He believed that if the proposed consolidation took place, and that all this additional wei g ht o f b us i ness was to be thrown on the Minister of War, there ought to be a Chancellor of the Exchequer solely for the War Department, to provide ways and meanslo meet his uncontrolled expenditure. His fear was that the proposed alterations would teed only to overweight the Secretary of State. The Earl of HAItDWICKE considered it was rather an anomaly that such a number of purely military offices should be placed under the control of a eiyiliau. However, in order to work out the system properly, he was for pine. iug the transport service entirely under the_control of the Minister of War. As things were at present, those really in authority everywhere were the persons who could pull at the purse. He never, however, could see why that should be. However, that being so, and as the real power of the minister was his power of expenditure, ho thought that itihaeul i hand.por;erofexpenditure andre,pausilitity - oug ht to go Loa' PANMURE said ha had only one word to - aild to what had fallen from the noble earl opposite (tbe Earl of Ellenborougli). Ho perfectly agreed with the noble earl that there were other departments connected with the ad ministration of the army besides those which it was intended to deal with at present which might require arrangement, and to which attention would be directed hereafter. For instance, the Com wissiariat branch might require alteration. He was not sure that it would not be necessary altogether to revise that branch of the p ublic service ; but, vising any such alteration of au old office, the question would require ample c onsideration, and if it were found for the advantage of the p ublic service to inal.e an alteration, he had no hesitati on in saying that an alteration would be immediately effect .Then, again, the Medical Depart ment requited considerable attention. Dr. A. Smith, upon whom he mast sa y the public . had passed s somewhat too sev ere a censure , had now r:tited from the admi n i s t rat i on various improvements would be introduced intBoStahce. of that department, broken in health, in consequ ence of the exertions wWch -he had been called upon to make attention would dat ing the last 12 months; and iu the apdointment of hi istratiou of the department. (Ilear.) The a . , t f i . , theall n o s irndnu Ordnance, made and civil departments in which alteration re were also 0, c e Ldh s in l e o ir l; No with tbmoe pa t a e i C s i e . . e r r f i n c r e t e s h g e ' : fisrptehede:c Master-General aid d f t t h o e I n l. o b b i l e l lc everyo iniProve. t . he -cr in the the noble earl impressed upon the Gov et nuient the necessity e Cabinet mt i. er a t s h : 8,3; sienaf,uhtuer(eLoef (Curd Pan x i g lr t :i h ut a tr e ; . high (Gl i it, o s 7 0t e e bo x ef e i ti o he p ve t io a o f Lord Angl cr he Earl mi litary assistant. • N ne o a r t 4 i 9 n y t e h a e l:B 6abinet. Dueunkeeno,fi of a seat e tl ii o ill O g r t :n2c e Ordnance had bad in the Cabinet, but not as Master- Earl of Elleuborou b-- 4 ` Th t dnly possessed • The D ille of Wellitrito g n had curl past, the oceasiOns had a. l' ment required thehai,pily, for many years been but rare when the Govern himself with the 1111(17 time, he quite agreed l advice ti of that officer. At the same , I the noble earl that, if a military sanio time capable }political party officer could be ' co military o'll who would be willing to arrange of the day, and was at the . of coneucting the duties of a high . y , .ce, it would be of advantage to the public Belvic° 63 Pheo that' Officer in the closest possible con nection with the Government. (Hear, hear.) With re ference to what had fallen from hii noble friend (Lord GreY), he felt bound to nay that there were several points in which be differed from his noble friend. His noble friend went much much further in military reform than he did, for he (Lord ranniert) could , not believe, that it would be at all expeaient to p lace the Commander-in- Chief, as head of the under the control of a civi lian. 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