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if .1 do not approve of the Ilonnniable Gentle tnAn's molion, either to propose an amendment to it, or to submit ti ‘ distinct motion to tbe House. Mr. ‘VILBURFOIICE—My high respect for the Noble Lord's character must always induce me to afford him every gratification compatible with my duty. I feel it to be inexpedient to say more on the subject of my moliOn publicly, but I shall !slave ob)ectioh whatever to converse with the Noble Leird in privstr upon . it. What passed in the I - louse yesterday evealing, anti its restilti,Arave confirmed me in the determination to retrain from entering into any previous explanation of the pre cise moose of my intended motion. Mr. TIEIINEY-4 realty feet great difficolty, Sir, in agreeing to This postponement—(Meat . , hear, hear !)--lt is, aat every . point ot view, most de sirable that this nosiness SUciold hr - terminated as soon as possible-01CM hear !)--We are placed in a s lrin a lion that appears to me to be,tm parall-elsd. To a Me•tage which his Majesty was graciously pleased to seed clown to this noose many days since, we answered by an Address, in timating that we would itrimedoitely enter into the consideration of the matters to which that Message referred, Accordingly, we (tid enter on Ow cow s sideration, but in econ.eqtienee id the suggestion of a (lumber of Honourable Members, the (lis- . cusSlou was adjourned tor Several days, in order to give an opportunity fo r ascer:aloing whether it rnis, s ht not be practicable to bring: the affair to a couclusion without tubber iiitel tereiu e. Tice negotiations no the stihjt et- lasted for nearly a ftoonight ; and the Noble Lord then came down, declared that they find failed, laid on the Table 'ot the House pope's explanatory of their trture, anti gave notice that evening he wool propose to resume the sospeodedconsideiation of his Ma jesty's Message: Now, however, another-0111 in dis idiot' Member—took op the subject, and.a fresh . adjuitinmeiri was proposed, in order that he might see what he cenild do. My Ni , ble Friend near ine, t hi n k s it very likely that he may feel it necessary -to make a motion on the subject. Oilier...Honour able Members may also thiok it necessary to make motions. In the mean whi:e, the consideration of his Majesty's .11essage sleeps ; and the delay is certaicly neither respectful to the Crown, nor ere .ditahle to this I - loose—(! - tear, hear, hear !)—I think it lair, therefore, Sir, to.give notice, that be the-cause of the delay what it may, or let it ori ginate in What quarter it may, 1 will to-morrow .take the sense of . the f - louse on the propriety of any foramr adjournment, it such should be pros posed—(llear, her, hear , ' Lord A. HAMILTON--I ako, Sir, beg leave to give notice, that I will to-morrow move for the production of the Odder in Coasted tinder which tier Majesty's nsme was . erased from the Li turgy—(ble.r, hear, bray !) Mr. littovousra—Sir, I rise to know if I rightly Understand the Hon. Gentleman who has just now postponed the motion tit which be yesterday even ing gave notice, and to state wily, it I do rightly understand him, I think that the delay whico he "'replies of a single day ought to he allowed, not withstanding the great public inconvenience and evil which, in common evith my Noble and .any Right Hon, Friend, I teal nins• result lions any postponement of :tie question mud: r our co ns id e r. Acton. It I lightly 'andel scaliti (tie Hun. Member, be considers either the toop.ium of his intruded )notion, or of any proposition which may arise out of it, the only alteroative of a Frocertiing to inquiry on the part of this Elunse.-11 this is really the Hon Alember's impression, I really think that the delay of a single day becomes of less importance, since, according to, the Honour able Member, it his motion shotild not be ac quiesced in by the House, the inquiry most then be comtue..ced: Feeling, therefore, as strongly as any moo the importance of not unnecessarily delaying the consideration of this question fur a single•bour, I nevertheless cannot taut accede to the Lion. islember's proposition. I trust,, how ever, that nu ci'rcionstaiice whatever will prevent the lion. Member from proceeding to-morrow; for I can assure the House that as much anxiety is felt to ovoid delay on the part of her Al , :jeaty and her advisers as can be felt in soy other quar ter whatever.--(Hear, hear, tear Mr. SCAILETT-4 I correctly understand my Honourable and Learned Friend, Lie thot orighly agrees with the Honourable Member for Brant ber, that the success of that Honourable Mem ber's motion is only one branch of an alternative, the other branch of which is the inquiry originally proposed by the Noble Lord opposite. Sir, cannot conceive that such is the state of the case. 111 my humble judgment, whatever may be- the fate of the Honourable Member's motion, should it be rejected by the House. I shall still think it the sort of inquiry proposed by his Majesty's Mi nisters, and which is the only macsure that they have called-upon us to agree to—ohe rshich it is impossible that, conSisteutly with its duty, the house can adopt.-s-:((dear, hear 1)—Iu. my opi alto), theretote, it by no means follows, as a ne cessary consequence of the rcjection of the Hon. Member fur lirambet's motion, that we must ac quiesce in the proposition of the Noble Lord. Mr. BROUG 1.1 AM--.AI my Hon. hod Learned Frieud had no opportunity, •ur did not avail him self of any opportunity of expressing his opiition i n that which would perhaps bare been its right place, he has been induced to state it to the House now, and in a manner somewhat hasty, it becomes necessary for me to set myself right with my lion. and Learned Friend, and with the house. Does it tollo a', Sir, from what I said vsleu I last addressed you, that I think what I have already characterized as un unconstitutional proceeding, toner be the necessary consequence of ,`be rejection of a motion, which, for aught I Snow, I nosy feel it my duty to oppose ? By no means. What I stated was—not that I eeosi leied it as the alternative; but that' as the liou. , Cientienian seemed to consider it as the alterita live, and as he would theretote press his motion to-morrow, the delay of a single day did not up pear to me to be (inadvisable. Here the conversation was dropped; and, OP or Lord CASTLEREAGH, the Order of ty Day for resconi: g the adjoutord debate on the is.ht's Message was discharged, and a new order made ;or to-morrow (this day.) - Fur Lie I . eniaillder of the Proceedings of the House of Cow -1110119, see the rourtla Page.] LONDON JOMIN'ALS. FROM THE MORNING PAPERS OF TilIS Day: [Morning Chronicle • • .17 THE QUEEN. . . . , Readers_will' see from our Parliamentary Report, that the motion of which Mr. WILVERFORCE gave notice is put off to this day. That gentleman declined to state to the House the particular reason why he did ,not bring it oat; he merely observed, that from circumstances which had ta;;en place subsequently to his notice, and which would oblige him to vary his motion, he war induced to postpone it for a day. The numerous delays which have taken place already in this business, ;night well justify the public in aeticieating turthrr procrastination ; but, we believe, they may look forward with certainty to something decisive, one way or other, to-morrow. Mr. Tierney indeed announced, that he should certainly take the sense of the House if an y further delays were to be pro posed ; and Lord Archibald Hamilton gave notice, that if Mr. Wilberforce did not bring on his motion, he should him- Self submit one on the subject, and that if he did bring.it for ward, it would depend altogether on'the terms of it, whether or. trot be (Lord A. Hamilton) should propose at; amendment. Lord Archibald Hamilton gave notice at the SAW A! time, that he should this day move for the .prolueticssi of the• Order Couucil by which her Majesty's name was struck out of the Litoroy.—Varinus rumours are of course afloat as to the cir • - cumstances to which Mr. Wilberforce alluded. Some of these rumens we do not think ourselves warranted in repeating One; however, we may notice, anti that is, that her Majesty has written to Mr. Wilberforce, intimating to him her fixed determination to remain in this country, and her strong dis4atisfaction with the terms'of his motion. If there is any 'foundation for this rumour, an accommodation is further off now than it seemed to be at the breeking up of the ifegociations. It is fur her Majesty and her advisers so decide on the course which it. would be wise in her to follow. On this subject we can sire nu opinion ; and we ought not to give an opinion.— We cast only state our impression of the manner in which the • proceedings with respect to her Majesty are viewed by the people, - and the inferences which they will naturally draw.. front the course which she may think proper to adopt. In the first place there is not, we believe, a person in the Coantry. wbo can ever he. brought to view the erasing her Majesty's . name from the Liturgy as not derogating from her honour.— The very precedent to which Ministers lately referred—the : only one on the subject, namely, that of the non-insertion of the Queen of George 1. in the Liturgy, arose out of the pro ceedings against that Queen in Germany previous to bet has band's accession to tie:Throne of Britain, for her alleged crimi nal intercourse with Count Konigsmark. Indeed, it would be trifling with our readers to suppose for a moment that this is a subject on which any doubt can - possibly be d.-- It derogatory, and must have beet' intended as dero gatory from her Majesty's honour. It was viewed in that light by the Court of Rome, which from thenceforward treat ed her Majesty with-a marked disrespect. The instructions issued to our Ambassadors abroad, with respect to her Ma jesty,iV.ere equally an attack on her honour.—Now, suppos ing her Majesty to have no insuperable objection to going abroad, what inference would be drawn from her consenting to do so without replacing her name in the Liturgy. and with out Instructions to our Amhassadors to iotroduce her in a respectful manner in Foreign Courts ? Why this, and this ot-tly ;—that she consented to remain passive under this at tack ott her honour, from a consciousness that there were some grounds for the charges against tier. There are things' • which admit of no compromise, and honour is of the notnber This imputation must, therefore, be withdraw% or a stain will for ever attach ,to the fame and honour of her Majesty. Mr. Colton, in Isis " Many thin.; with few wort!s," truly says, "In great mallets of public Hutment, where both parties are at. a stand, and both are pw - eidious, slight conde scensions cost little, but are worth niteli. A few drops. of oil Will set the political machine at work, when :a ton of vinegar would only corrode Cse We wish that this sentiment were felt atif is moment in high places. How smoothly would the ntgociatiou have run nn, it a little concession had been mixed with the assertion of high claims ! Prayer for their Majesties is an institution of the Church ; and surely The withdrawing of the Queen's name front the Liturgy cast a suspicion on her name,•and it was somewhat presumptuous to imagine, that she would be satis fied by a mere declaration, front anether quarter than thst from' whence the trespass proceeded (huweve; sanctimonious that quarter might be) that no opprobrium was intended. A concession by the power that issued the order would, indeed, have proved satisfactory, and there is no degradation in the acknowledgment of an error. Would it be hurtful to the feelings of aoy pious man to hear the Queen prayed fur? Would it disturb the derotions, either. of Monarch or Sub ject ? And is it for this, that the country is to be kept its a state of agitation and alarm ? []Morning Post.] Mr. Wilberforces's promised motion, having professedly for its tendency to adjust the unhappy differences subsisting in the Royal Family, was not made last night, in consequence of circumstances having occurred which compelled him to to vary the tenour of it. An impatient feeling being mani fested on both sides of the House on this occasion, the worthy and amiable Member assured them, that were they ac quainted with the motives which influenced his conduct, they would look upon him with contempt if he acted other wise than he did. He implored them to believe that what he asked was from the painful conviction that it was a (ies-, tion which involved, in an essential degree, the bonoir of the Crown and the dearest interests of the Country. The mo tives of the truly honourable and virtuous Gentleman being duly appreciated, his appeal to the indulgence of the House was received with universal cheers; hut both Lord Castlereagh and Mr. Tierney protested against any further delay; the former observing, that the consequent evils were beyond cal culation great; and the Latter declaring, that if any Anther delay were to be attempted he would take the sense of the House upon the subject. Mr. Wilberforce promised nut only that be would nut delay his motion beyond this day, but that he would explain the cause which induced him not to make it last night. lie did not, however, in the remotest degree explain the nature of his intended ? proposition; and the rannours upon the subject must therefore he received with caution. Among others, it is stated that he means to an Addles" to the Queen, thanking her for the ready acquiescence she had shown in complying with the wish ex pressed by the House, by entering into a negociation for an arrangcluent ; and enticating her Majesty, as the best means of accomplishing the desired ens!, to withdraw her pretensions to have her name restored to the Liturgy, the King's autho rity with regard to alterations in it being paramount and uncontrolable. We mention this report merely as it pro- - railed yesterday, the truth ai e o whlcb the pro ceedings of this evening will prove. In the mean time, we cannot help expressing our marked disapprobation of the attempts made by some of our cotemporariei• to pre judice the general qUestion; and professedly without bear ing or knowing any thing of the nature of the evidence ready ttl be submitted to Parliament and to the Public, renounc ing the whole charges to be unfounded. Truth is often dis figured; facts are often exaggerated ; darker shades of guilt are often thrown upon error than it deserves ; but when has human depravity been carried so far as to unite many, very many individuals, of different degrees of rank, character, and statloili, into a deliberate confederacy for the purpose of inventing calumnies against spot4ss 'innocence, and of so dexterously con! riiing all the parts, all the probabilities, all the bearings ,of ,those calumnies, as to deceive hanonrable, acute, disinterested, and cautious men! This is a supposition which the common knowledge of Mankind, and the experi ence of human life, do not warrant. as many things arc possible which do nut appear probable, this may be among them; and if any consideration could induce us to favour the exposure of the disgusting and sbuching allegations in the present instance, it would be the hope that they might hi pus-, sibility be disproved. {lVew Times ] The debate which was last night expected with such ex treme anxiety has been again deferred. That virtuous man and eminent Statesman, to the labours of whose life we owe the abolition of the Slave Trade, has stood forward in the purest spi t rit of patriotism, to avert froni the Nationdiscas sion, which cannot but he of fatal consequences to its mural interests. To this, work of peace be has bent all the faculties of his admirable mind ; and it appears that he had framed a proposition which he had intended to submit to the House of Commons yesterday; but 'in " the meanwhile seine :dream stances occurred, which rendered it necessary for him to modify. the original proposition. Any change in so delicate and important a rneastree must demand deep reflection ; and the nation will nut regret. that Mr. Wilberforce has taken one day more to shape his motion, so es to lead more pi obably, to the adjustment so much and so ardently desired. When_we say,this, ,we are not at all in sensible to the evils of delay. We feel the painful suspense in which the public Mind, remains; and, above all, we know well the base and wicked advantage that will be taken of pro crastination by that part of the press which, under pretence of vindicating an Illustrious Female from unjust attack, sti mulates; by every artifice in its power, the passions of the po- Pplace against their Rulers. There is another danger, which it is not always easy to avoid. The misrepresentation and so phistry of the insidious Journalist is apt to provoke remarks which would not otherwise have been made, and which so long as any hope of aocommodation remains, it is 'both ins prudent and imprr4er to make. When it is asserted with '.a tone' of defiance that her present Majesty " is in flu wise inferior to the hest and most amiable tPieen that ever graced the British throne," it seems almost injurious to the character' of that virtuous woman who fur all oat three score years swayed the British sceptre, to decline the challenged comparison. - We, however, think it proper to abstain from such a comparison altogether; and we Aral! only ' observe, that the British Nation is not so light-minded as to have atreney forgotten, that the Royal Consort of George afforded the most splendid example of conjugal virtue ever shewn by a British Queen ; that her Court, (iring the long course of a protiacted reign, was a model of virtue 'to . ' the whole of Europe; and that in that brilliant circle, and during-that great length of time, the watchthi guardian of. female morals, the unspotted pattern of female purity was Queen Charlotte. What the particular circumstances were which occurred to coupe! Mr. Wilberforce to alter his mo tion, we cannot pretend to state with any peat degree of cer tainty. The rumours on that snbject were not such as we think it at all necessary to repeat ; but certain it is, that spine neat took place which, as it did not induce Mr. Wil berforce to abandon his undertaking, we may hope will tend to facilitate its eventual attainment. [The Times.) We believe that the oldest Member of Parliament hardly recollects so numerous an assemblage of Menthers as there was last night, in expectation of Mr. WilherfolCCs motion with respect to the Queen. It is most likely that tier con jecture was right on the subject of the tootiOa, and that it was the intention of the Honourable Gentleman to wove an Address to the Queen, reqoesiing her Majesty, as we stattd Yesterday, to concede the point of the Litbrgy. It is no doubt a singular change in the circumstances of her Ma jesty, that to her who but a fortnight ago was threatened with every human evil if she approached the British shores, it should thus have been intended to present the Address of one, perhaps those of both Houses of Parliament, to request the relinquish:tient of that which the Addresses themselves would have proved _to be her right. We are therefore surly, as a matter of record, that Mr. Wilberforce's motion was not made ; a circumstance, however, had occurred in the muse of the day, which obliged him to delay the mo tion—perhaps even to adopt a different course. We can only, upon this interesting turn, or halt, in the course of proceed ing, report what is generally stated to be the cause, adding also the assurance of our belief, cr opinion, that general con, jectures are not erroneous. It is said, thou, that her Ma jesty herself had written to Mr. Wilberforce, after she be came acquainted with the object of his motion, to express her surprise that a Gentleman of his religions priuci pies and orthodox opinions (we do out know that we ex prcas ourselves so well as her Majesty) should propose to the Queen to withdraw herself from the prayers of the peo ple. Hence the suspension for one day only of Mr. Wilber forces proceedings. It is most likely that he will write to the Queen in this short intro rat, and perhaps some slight al teration may take place in his plans. Mr. Wilberforce is, we believe, at once tuu conscientious and too enlightened a man either to mistake or fail in performing his ditty. But as a mere matter of courtesy and worldly breeding, we might ask if it yeutald be fair in Mr. Wilberforce, having confidentially ob tained the knowledge that the Queen would think her honour somewhat compromised by wanting the request presented to her—if, mutter those circuarstances, we say, it would be fair in that Gentleman to adopt another course, which, without altering the nature of the request, would yet render it more obligatory on her Majesty to comply with it ? We are sure it is more congenial to Mr. Wilberforce's benevolent disposition to deduce from his discovery motives for yielding to, gather titan more sternly controlling, the conscientiints scruples of the Queen. She has dune nothing, she avers, to ustify the erasuve of her name front the Liturgy; and it must appear a singular cours e .Of prueetdiog, in an in dependat t arbitrating body, to. insist that, for the sale at peace, (Tie party aggilered stailf f9 c ; ofeisc:?, rather than the party inflicting be obliged to retr- i ii it. The balance, it is presumed, might be inure impar t ' l e o held than thus. To Parliament her 111ajesty is tuidoubt' disposed to concede every thing but the defence of her liu01:1 bat there are others on whom her concessions prodo°6o totally different effect, from kindness, regard, or ' Tr humanity. Gr pr( " Les bienfaitsme sont toujours ce que to penses; „ " D'nne main odieuse, ils,fieunent . lieu d'Uffenscs. Lord Archibald Hamilton felt some anxiety on the e oa lio ° . and issue of Mr. Wilberforce's proceedings, as his La ° himself bad a motion in contemplation ; of no slight motne° 6 o we on the same subject, which motion was for a °° ,l of the minute of Council by which her Majesty was exclna from the Liturgy. We suppose there will be no objection to to. production of an instrument, by which she was, accordiao the will and intention of one party, thus briefly unglicened . do beseech the orthodox members of our established cilia° ti consider seriously what has be e n d one by thi s rash 2 ' g , There are many classes of Dissenters who now wish to mar of tuarriage,a mere civil contract. To us, considering the °if tier in which (his stibject has been treated by Our Sa ci l the very idea appears profane. Y e t h ere we h ave the sa ci o rite of marriage, Ilion no inquiry, no aeknowle.'gree" t ' proof of any thing, but by a brief and trenchant act of cotW e ''' stripped of.its most hop.' tont religious coosequences• name of the Queen is struck out of the whole Book of Cones'` Prayer,,where yet the ceremony is suffered to remain, acc ord ; ing to which she was :it the altar made Qu ee n, and as sor entitled to the prayers of the people. Why did not t/I' Council erase the form of matrimony from our Prayer-h" °l'4 : when they thus erased from them, its .chief , relo' '' , cotiSequence, as affecting the first persons in the rol tliv i We are ourselves members of the Church of England, 3°' do entreat the attesition of ode brethren of the same fait' ) sj this argument:—The Privy Cooncittnight by taw, a lter l it ' title of George 111. to that of George IV., of the Prince to King George, of the Princess of Wales to eaten Carrel" but that Privy Council was never allowed, OPon its simple authority, to exclude any of those persons from the Book of Common-Prayer. Royalty and Religion, asco" 1 1 to its established form in the se r e alm s , a r e b o th woundolb' suds an act. oo Since writing. the above we bare !earned that the ot}jets lj . to Mr. Wi.lberc orc e' s m o ti o n it removed, and that it will , 0 contequence,*certainty come on th:crening, in the fury'' ss which . it was first intended by that Oentleman. 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SC? minutes alter It.— Eveni .1 1 4. 0 rtumates arr THE SUN. SOLEM QUES F,II.SLIAI , ? LON DON , THUBSI).IY, JUNE 22, 1820. • We receive:} this morning the P.ris. ilsper , (1; Sunday and Monday Last. The discussion Ott ll' t Budget continued 11)1 ough the Saturday's sitittg ;t3 the Cl:amber of Deptities, and was again atijou ro ' ed till .Monday.—The following are extracts " YARIS, JUNE, i9.—Yeliterthiy the Kiii . r4 r e' ceived the Ministets, several Marshals, Lieutet ol ' v Generals, Peers of Yrance, Ste. " The Duke Decazes, had 'not arrived at up to four o'clock yesterday aftecnoni). " The Martinets de Fontanes is nominated the reporter of the Special Committee of the C1 011) ‘ ber of Peers on.the glection Projet. " The Duke de Reggio having obtained le livs of _absence froin the King the Comma:o4lP' Chief of the Parisian National Guards delt/ lits upon the Duke de'Chuissul. " The Count Corvetto, late Miltiiter of no nce : has quitted France to retire ni;11 his family 1 ° 41 native place, Genoa. o"' " M. Barbier Dufay 13as been thrice' inter" gated by the Juge dlostruction. " Several Students of Law and Medicine , h. were arrested a few days since, have been 80 4646. bively set at liberty. " Leiters from Perpigoan, dated the Bth Poe: state, that the plague had manifested itself in the Island of Majorca, and that the greatest dioll uie ; 9 tude prevailed at Pet pignan, under the idea 11 ' c several Majorcans had arrived there. Pr °llllll sanitary measures bad however been resorted to, 'to preserve the town from this terlible scourge' " The celebrated Composer has bee n 0 . 1 ; 0 pointed by his Majesty a Chevalier of the Leg' Gt Honour. Letters from Epirus, says a Roman Jolirn°lc; state, that the four Pachas whom the 14r1351 0 Seignnr had sent avinst the famous Ali-P6c) nt Janino had, instead Of fie,hting, join ed i)in • ) : Find that they were marching aainst Consi°ll( nople at the head of 89,000 men. at 4 IA in " Letters how Lyons, dated the vio - of the firit representation of the Trager jec the the 11 tHo J:e►l< ri ve( tu g. t 0111) \ 7 4 1 e I Pilci 'I hii 1110 v, I: out ekiLti Al a i n t A k ej► tile c, /ttu ri Lavi n that a lit he Re, ( 'rai ()a Alr)i e , 34 ute 114 %j ai). la st. 111)t) ot ItirS( hlr ec 1411144 'w e visi tqu are tiati on l 'aili i am ount * "slen ti " Li t , v, tila e fevers. W e t hat we Wbat „