The Sun. — London, England, 1820-10-24 00:00:00

11011 SE OF LORDS-THIS DAY. THE QUEEN. 'The Loan CHANCELLOR entered the House this morning at the usual hour, and prayers be ing finished, the customary call took place, when apologies were made for the absence of three . Noble Lords. Earl GREY immediately rose, and called the attention of their Lordships to a motion vv hick he intended to make at some subsequent stage. His object was, as far as we could collect, to enable the House to get possession of the depositions made originally by the Witnesses for the Bill, as taken at Milan before the Secret Commission. lie considered this motion of great importance, with reference? to the testimony given at their Lord .ships' Bar, which appeared not to correspond with their depositions in foreign parts. No J udge would venture to decide in any case, knowing that such depositions did exist, if they were not banded to hint ; and he contended that, in this instance, the defendant was justified in calling for them. Ile was aware that the examinations he referred to had not been regularly taken, but he trusted it would not be considered unfit to obtain the nature of them before their Lordships should come to a ,decision in this most important cause. I had considered it but candid and fair to give this notice of the motion he intended to make, as it was necessary for their Lordships to have those depositions in proper time. The Lora) CHANCELLOR now left the Wool sack, in order to address the House. He began by observing, that their Lordships had given him an opportunity since yesterday, of considering the question then proposed, as to continuing the preceedings in the present case, and from the view he had taken of it, he had actually read over the whole of the evidence in relation to the conduct of Col. Brown.—lt was certainly right in his Majesty's Attorney-General to have made the application he did, and it was also right in the Counsel for the Defence to resist it.— Looking to that application as bearing on the justice of the case, his individual opinion was, and by this opinion, as an individual he should be guided, that consi derations of justice did not require that their _ Lordships should delay the pro ceedin g . With respect to the testimony, in reference to Colonel Brown, he did not think the matter of that testi mony could require delay. It was fitting that Colonel Brown should be called to their Lord . ship's Bar, at an eligible time, but. - Bvithout a - delay in the proceeding now. He had also thought it proper to look carefully at what had been stated at their Lordships' tar, as many things were so stated, which hereafter might not bear strictly on the case ; and the result of this investigation was; that he could find only two persons, whose evidence, if that evidence should deserve to be credited, applied to the conduct of Col. Brown at All. If, therefore, their Lordships should consider his individual opinion of any weight, he could only say, that in his humble judgment, as a Peer of that House, it would not be doing justice to her Majesty to delay the Proceedings.—(Hear, hear, hear ! from both sides of the House.)—He trusted he had not formed this opinion on incorrect grounds, nor came hastily to it ; • and therefore if their Lord ships should now agree with him, he had only to propose that the Counsel be called in, and in formed of their Lordships' pleasure that Coun sel do now proceed. He should only add, that if any proposal of a contrary kind was made from either side of the House, he must feel it his duty, as an individual Peer, to say not content to that proposal. 'F he Earl of DARNLEY rose amidst cries of " Go on, go on ! !" and observed, that if their proceedings were to go on at all, they ought to . be conducted with decency and propriety—(Con= tinned coughing.)—He declared he should not have addressed their Lordships, had he not con ceived, that though an humble individual in that House, he had a right to do his duty to his con science. If, indeed, this proceeding was to go oniat all, the proposal of the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack was certainly the most proper course. But he was surprised, and this was the only surprise he felt, that some Noble Lord or other, more competent than himself, had not submitted the propriety of stopping where they were, and not going on at all. For himself he must take this opportu nity of entering. his protest, if he could do no more, against their going on, as he conceived there were three distinct grounds why their. Lordships should immediately put an extinguisher on the whole. He would shortly state those grounds. — (Here the confusion increased in the House.) — The first ground for their desisting was, in his opinion, the difficulty of pursuing the clue to that . Conspiracy, as alleged by the Learned Counsel for the 'Queen. Another ground was the sub traction of that most important witness, Rastelli. The third ground was, the impossibility of procur ing the evidence of Baron d'Eude. If any one of these grounds were good, certainly the whole three put together were irresistible, and their Lordships ought to immediately stop ; he, as an individual, would at any rate enter his solemn protest against going on. . Marquess of CAMDEN, in giving his opinion, that it might be proper for their Lordships to pause, had reference, as we understood him, chiefly to the situation of Colonel Brown. From ' the pleasure he had received in his acquaintance with Colonel Brown, he had attentively read whatever had been stated with respect to him, .and he considered it very hard that he should not shortly be permitted to appear there before all their Lordships, to state his own defence. He had understood, all along, that his Noble Friend (Liverpool) had no objection to an i nqu iry being . made-into the conduct of the Milan • Commissioners. - Colonel Brown had been 14 years a Subaltern itt• his. Majesty's service, and was seven times wounded. lie trusted it was not iu the character of their Lordships to think hardly of such a man, as being soon likely to dishonour his previous fame; and from all he himself knew of that Officer, he wished him an opportunity of justifyi►►g his conduct at once. Lord HOLLAND was of opinion that it would be most improper to call for Col. Brown at the present stage of the proceeding. He wished that he had not been mentioned as he was ; but when any Lord thought proper to rise, with the evidence before the House, and pronounce a panegyric on Colonel Brown, he must judging from their evidence, that Colonel Brown's friends would do better at present to refrain from saying such things. The Loan CHANCELLOR here asked, if it was their Lordships' pleasure that Counsel should now be called in ? The question was put, and being agreed to, the Counsel were called in. The Loan CHANCELLOR.--I am directed by their Lordships to inform the Learned Counsel at the Bar, that it is the pleasure of this House that there should be no further delay in these Proceedings. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL now requested, that Captain Tuomas BRAGGii be called in, who was accordingly then called and sworn. Examined by the A TTORNEY-G E NERAL. Q. Captain Briggs you have stated that you commanded his Majesty's ship the Leviathan, at the time her It. H. the Princess of Wales was on board?—A. 1 did. Do you remember the circumstance of Lieut. Hownam's being on board that ship at the same time do. You stated that Bergami was also on board that ship ?—I did. Do you now recollect your having had any con versation with Lieut. Hownam at that time re specting Bergami, and what passed then ? Here Mr. BROUGHAM objected to the question at first, but soon waived the objection he had made. The question was repeated in the original terms, when it was answered in the affirmative by Cap tain Briggs. Was the conversation you had about Bergami's being allowed a seat at her Royal Highness's table ?—lt was. State what Lieut. Hownam said to you ? observed to him that Captain Pechelf told me that Bergami stood behind her Royal Highness's chair at table when she was on board the Clo rinde ; and I asked him how it happened that Bergami was admitted to her table; his reply was, he was very sorry it was so, he was sorry the Princess had admitted him ; and that he had en treated her on his knees, and with tears in his eyes, not to permit him to sit at table with her, but it was all to no purpose. Did Lieutenant Hownam state to you when this happened ?—He , did not state the precise time. To the best of your recollection, -what did Lieutenant Hownam say ?—Why, speaking to the best of my recollection, he told me it happened the day the situation of Bergami was chang ed, or the very first day that Bergami dined at her Royal Highness's table, when Bergami's situa tion was changed. Cross-examined by Mr. BROUGHAM. Q. When did this conversation happen with Lieutenant Hownam ?—A. In our voyage be tween Porto Fanaro and Palermo. I mean in what year, or what part of the year ?—ln the month of November. Who were present at the time ?—I do not re collect if any one was. Pray try to recollect ?—We were in conversa tion together walking on the deck. You do not mean to represent that this was the only conversation you had with Lieut. How nam ?—No. Have you ever seen Lieut. Hownam since you quitted that ship ?—Yes, I have. State when and where that was 2—He came to me one morning from Brandenburgh House, and wanted to know what kind of evidence I meant to give here, but I would hold no conversation with him on, that subject. Mr. BROUGHAM.—YOU did• very right in that. At what time in the morning was this ?—I think about seven o'clock. Did he ask you any thing else ?--He wished me to tell him if any alterations had been made in the cabin of the Leviathan when her Royal High ness came on board, as he himself could re collect none; I expressed to him my surprise at this, and at length brought to his recollection those alterations, by reminding him that the al terations were made in his own presence. The Examination was going on when our Reporter left the House. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. Sank Stock tl6 tlhf 1 Bank Long Ann...l7i 7-16th: 4 per Cent. Red. 66iii India Bonds .... 'lbs. if.. pr. 8 per Cent. Cons S per Cent 74 if Omnions ilf dis. 4 per Cents s per Ct. Nary Ana. 10411 104 HIGH WATER AT LONG( Mur ll i ll g. 20 tainutts after 4.. BRIDGE TO-MORROW. Evenitic, 44 immites attar 4 THE SUN. 110 LEM OUtS DICERE FdLSUM AiIDgJIT LONDON, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 24, 1820. It is some consolation to the outraged feelings of the People to find that the Counsel for THE QUEEN have a length closed their Defence, and it ought not to be imputed to her MAJESTY, if they have resorted to legal subtleties, and all the artifices which a resolute Advocate can adopt to serv e the cause of his Client, even, as Mr. BROUGHAM said, if he were to risk the destruc tion of the Country. It is not her fault, that iu the concluding proceedings Mr. BROUGHAM re- quired the presence of SACCIII, conceiving that he, as well as aASTELLI, was out of the Coun try ; but, learning that SACCIXI was at hand, de clined to re-examine him. Nor is it her MAJES TY'S fault that, after alleging a Conspiracy against the Milan Commission, andthat it was proposed to send for Colonel BROWNF, Mr. BaouGnAm vehemently protested against such a measure. These are the arts and the contradictions of the Advocate, though they certainly operate against the Client in all reflecting minds. But surely it will be admitted, that as far as depends on the essential merits of the case, the Counsel have had as much latitude for the Defence as they could in reason, and in justice to their Client, demand. As to further evidence, for or against her MAJESTY, whatever the zeal and policy of her Counsel may pretend, it is hardly possible to throw a new light upon the prominent and essen tial facts, and therefore a due balance of the motives and characters of the witnesses, on both sides, must form the basis of the final decision. We presume not to judge of the reasons which induced Baron D'ENDE, the Chamberlain of the Grand Duke of BADEN, to decline coming hither in order to give his testimony ; but it must be admitted, indeed even Mr. BROUGHAM has ad mitted, that our Government has done all in its power to procure the Baron's attendance, and though her MAJESTY'S Counsel affect to repre sent his refusal as injurious to her cause, yet it is highly probable that he could only give a nega tive testimony, as to the alleged facts, and there has been no want of such testimony on her side. We therefore look with ardent hope, that the whole of this lamentable investigation will soon be at an end, and thus frustrate the aims of Party, and disappoint.the destructive schemes of Radical We r have had no arrival of Paris Papers this morning. Two days' Journals are due. Letters from St. Thomas's of the 9th Sept. state, that Admiral BRION had experienced a defeat in the River Magdelane, and was obliged to retreat with some loss. BOLIVAR had suc ceeded in cutting off some supplies going to Saint Martha. . The following paragraph appeared in The British Monitor of Sunday last. We know not whether it be intended as a hoax, but if the No blemen in question, and many others, who have all professed a full reliance on the innocence of THE QUEEN, are sincere, to be consistent they ought to visit her, with all their nearest and dearest female connexions :-.- 4 , GRAND Hour AT BRANDENBURG!! HoUs6.—The QUEEN gave her first grand some last Wednesday, which was nume rously attended. Amongst the long list of fashionable, were. Earl and Countess Grey, Lord and Lady Grosvenor, Lord and Lady Holland, Lord and Lady Ossulston, Lord and Lady Jersey, Lord and Lady Albemarle, Duke and Duchess of Bed ford, and, in short, almost all tke Opposition Lords and Gen tlemen, and their Ladies, Daughters and Sisters!—Not a single Bourgeois or Bourgeoise was invited, SIR GEORGE ELDER.—In addition to the nu merous marks of distinction which have been con ferred during the late war on Brigadier General Sir GEORGE ELDER, his Majesty the King of PORTUGAL, on his last birth-day (the 13th of May) has been pleased to confer upon him the ho. nourable and elevated distinction of the Comman der of the Tower and Sword, which he received, accompanied by a letter, addressed to him direct from the KING, authorising Sir GEORGE to wear the Star of the said Order, and adding, that his exertions during the war in the Peninsula were well known to his MAJESTY, and that he was pleased to have an opportunity of rewarding Sir GEORGE'S meritorious services. His MAJESTY, since his residence at his Cot tage in Windsor Great Park, has made several tasteful alterations and improvements in the sur rounding grounds, and, by felling a few trees, has opened a fine view from the Cottage which extends to a considerable distance. ELECTION.—Capt. WILLIAN GORDON, R. A., was on Tuesday last unanimously elected Repre sentative of the County of Aberdeen. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT, we are happy to an nounce, was considerably recovered on Sunday, when he wrote several letters to his friends in town. The origin of his complaint was a severe paroxysm of the gout.—(Morning Paper.) Rear-Admiral Sir RICHARD KING is arrived at Plymouth from Trincomalee, in the Minden, 74 ; all healthy there, also at the Cape and St. Helena; she left the latter place on the 19th of August: BONAPARTE was well, but would not see the Admiral. A classical Hibernian saying that the money sent to Italy resembled XENOPHON'S Retreat qt the TEN THOUSAND ; a friend observed, that he hoped it would soon resemble XANTIPPE'd RE TREAT! Yesterday forenoon Lord CASTLEREAGH ar rived in town, and alighted at the Foreign Office, where his Lordship continued to transact busi ness nearly the whole of the day. The Earl of LIVERPOOL entertained a select patty of distinction to dinner yesterday, at Fife House. It is said that the names of several Getttlemer have been placed on the Queen's Plate Commit. tee without their knowledge, or concurrence. and among these that of the Right lion. Sir J Newport, Bart.—(Waterford Mirror.) A poor man, of the name of Parsons, who go his livelihood by gathering samphire, having, of Saturday, as usual, driven a stake in the ground, and attached a rope to it, by which he suspended himself down the Cliff of Dover, the stake broke, when, being precipitated some hundred feet to the ground ) he was killed on the spot. SECOND EDITION, HOUSE OF LORDS, OCT. e 4. SUN-OFFICE, Half -past Far' After the conclusion of the examination °' Captain BRlGGs,the ATTORNEY-GENERAL stated' that he had no further Witness to DENMAN then commenced his summing up of tile c tse on the part of the QUEEN, and having Pr ° ‘ ceeded till four o'clock, the remainder ofi° Speech was postponed till to-morrow racrolligf and the House adjourned. SHIP NEWT; THE LATE GALE. th° Doves, Oct. 23.—1 t yesterday blew a strong gale fro — of S. W., attended with violent squalls of rain and O il ' S to being %piing tides, it has done an infinite deal of darn a ft e eri this place, and indeed all along the coast—the North ba c ad on which some Ordnance Store-houses were some frior since erected, and the new Bathing Machines were ou c ssir dermined; and by the shingle being completely sweP t l o is ° have been considerably damaged, and part of the Store',,r , has in consequence been taken down; the orange walk, 4 1 ,0 &c., are more or less injured, but the effects of the F s ve shore are nothing compared with those at sea, and ° d os' fearful that we shall have details of the most distresstoili lure. The following are amongst the occurrences 3 , - Olf within our knowledge ;—A sloop, of Weymouth, Sc ir „ - ;bi‘ Master, ashore at Dyinchurch, crew saved, who rer n r ' o eff they saw a great boat, supposed to be the Charlotte Of go down with the crew, consisting of Michael Riche'', 0, William Guy, John !roll, and Charles Harnett, 111)(4,41°` miles from Dungeness Point ; and from . the circurnstao`fol the punt and part of the binnacle , being washed OM Sandgate, there is too lei tic 11 reason to believe th e 0000 correct, and that all hands have perished. The Ats Fishing Smack, in endeavouring to get into the ilarboWiro Ice terday, was, by a violent gust of wind, driven on the M ° o ol hind the North Head ; she shortly afterwards fell on fic, r et ° ends, when the sea broke over with dreadf ul fur y ,if having taken the precaution to lash themselves to the tttlt' we re saved, and the vessel having righted again, w` , Of i morning got off, and is come into the Harbour. Th° Passage Vessel, which got on the Dicky Work in CO of Calais Harbour, and partly filled, has been gut otft rd h now in the Harbour there. The Kite brig, of this port, in endeavouring to If e Ramsgate harbour, was blown behind the East 0 ' 0 ; 0 0 and last night, we understand, went to nieces ; lint W e i 10 were saved. The Beresford brig, with coals, consiereoro Dover, sunk in Ramsgate Harbour. Several ti the ( j , 01'; were lost last night off Ramsgate, and, we understao o'ol wards of 20 of the crew perished, among whom wal man of the name of Deal , . belonging to Dover, v°ll-„,;51,, washed overboard, in taking a vessel into R a msgsfliasi!' rived the King George Packet, Captain King, from , after a most boisterous passage. DeAL, OCT. U.—During the gale yesterday, a con s 11 ble deal of damage occurred amongst the shipping:A, most of them drove with two anchors a-head, and 3 ,,b1r the rest are the following, which parted or cut their " and went to Ramsgate : The Schooner B righton Packet, bilged. Brig British Tar. with loss of two anchors and cable,:. Ben, 1)o. Du. Queen Charlotte, Do. one anchor and cab" . --- Tine), Do. Do. Dido, Do. Do. Ship Medway, loss of anchors end cables. t bi Catherine, scuttled ; cargo discharging. A t A Swedish Ship, partly laden with iron, wrecked 01° pier, and four of the crew perished. A Galliet, supposed to be Dutch, wrecked, and 0 4 ' A Collier brig, belonging to Dover, wrecked . iof French sloop, laden with brandy, wrecked. 11 04 Sloop, belonging to Plymouth, on shore; cargo die . 4 0' Ship Henry Wellesley, for South Seas, lost 2 a nds.; . 4 , Mediva, far Jamaica, lust one anchor acid cab:eriOlo' The gale was most tremendous about 11 o'clock ye' 1 ,1 1. . and had it cuatinutd, scatcply a ship would have been ,1 the Downs. , ; 5 3 P PollTsmouTff, Oct. 29.—Arrived his Majesty's fil.r" from the West Indies. ei° e FALMOUTH, OcT• 511.—His Majesty's ship Lee, p g or "uncle; weigh this morning, ran tool of the Duke of ~,sf rough packet, with the Lisbon mail, and carrie d 3 oil fore-top-mast, cathead, &c., which will detain her 1 ' 5L 4 morrow. ( 1,1 0 Y A am o urx, OCT. 23.—1 t is reported that a large ve-oito) tons) is on the Corton Sand. The Union, of 500 0 , 0 01 has come in here very leaky. Several vessels are 010 we do out know their names. ,Sti r The Sally, of Arundel, with coals , went on shore v- 0 41. 0 0 night on Margate Sand, and is full of water—crew 0/41 Tins Robert, Smith, from Honduras, got en * be oil 0' near Margate, on Sunday, having lust her wizen 0 4 ita has since sunk, and become a total wreck; p art of a' it rials oared—crew saved. oil" A ship, supposed to be about 350 to ns, laden p p‘ r having Swedish colours flying in the rigging, and 0 1,01,/,f main-top-mast, bulwarks, stauncheons, and witbod'ouP , son on board, was fallen in with by t wo pilot b 4 0 14. to t . Lizard, and towed into Falmouth o h t Thursday ercioniPti The Providence, Jones, from Waterford to SOl o re was driven on shore near Lymington on Saturday , the following morning, and cart ied limo Lymingt°P. Y 0 E T It Y. PLATONIC LOVE .—A PILGRIMAa By pure platonic Love's command, A pious Pair went hand in hand, As Pilgrims to the Holy Land. Immaculate as " unsunned 'snow," • First to Jerusalem they go ; , v But sent his Wife to Jerk°. ~ , At Jaffa next on board they went, And prayed and fasted in a Tent. Just the full time of keeping Lent. For forty days and forty nights They fasted from profane delights, As those can swear that saw no sigh 0° For forty nights and forty days, A. the immortal HowvAst says, She nicer once took off her Stays SPORTING INTELLIGEN BETTING ROOM, OCT. 23, 11120. DEMI Y. .tsl o°. 1 113 tot agst uts..- 16 to 1 agst Parasol 16 to 1 agst Truth if II I. N P I q < d OAKS. .0, .;0 11, 1., 10 to I agst My Lady Iloto I agst fire` t itti , t t i c t ;t-N, ft to *4 agst Mr. Lowe beating Itarntecolc and It t 4. 1 f fo two matches. i i t i r 4h if; If; it, ( ar SAINT LEG ER. _ 1,,.., i t v q, 10 to 4 agst Sack spizgot 116 tt. 4 west MI e l "itii' til --......m0 ... r If .. ------ no,, Robert Surrage, John Dempsey, •' i v fr, il I , ` t , Joseph Elliott, Ma lacchi Clinton, so' jo ellti .. 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