The Sun. — London, England, 1855-07-13 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CHAIMILLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. Lord LYNDECURST begged to ask the noble lord on the woolsack vrhen it was likely the report of the Statute Law Conamisnioners would be laid before the house The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the report bad been signed by himself, and he believed by his noble and learned friend, a week ago ; but it was only returned to him; that very day. There could be no reason for any delay in its production by the Secretary of State. Nothing had been done by the Sta tute Law CommisEion. It was true that the wotk could not be done in a day or two, but was involving a considerable length of time. The commissioners had taken on themselves each to deal with a separate subject, with a view. of consolidating the laws relating to it, and had employed persons to assist them in the work. The work was in progress, and no doubt would soon be brought to a conclusion. The report would probably be laid on the table, of the house. WITHDRAWAL OF THE ABJURATION OATHS BILL. Lord LYNDYIURST said with respect to this bill, which stood in his name for a second reading on Tues day next, that he bad been strongly urged, not by the opponents of the measure, but in a quarter from which he had been led to believe he should receive much sup port, not to proceed further with the bill during the present session. In deference thereto he begged to withdraw the bill. - - INTRAMURAL BURIALS (IRELAND), &a., BILL. The Earl -f WICKLOW begged to ask the noble earl the President of the Council what bad become of the above bill, which had been read a second time be fore the Easter recess ? Earl GRANVILLE said that the Government had carefully considered the objections to the bill referred to, aud, considering that there was great weight in them, they thought it desirable that the bill should be remodelled, and should be introduced in a new shape in the other house of Parliament. He believed that the bill had been read a second time in the other house, but owing to the pressure of more important business, that bill as well as many Others had been given up. The Earl of ALEMIARLE presented petitions from the county of Denbigh and other places in favour of the abolition of church rates. SECOND READINGS. On the motion of Lord REDESDALE, the following bills were read a second time :—Luton, Dunstable, and Welwyn Railway, Wyndham's Divorce, and Ewing's Divorce Bill. DWELLINGS FOR LABOURING- CLASSES BILL. This bill passed through committee. DWELLING-HOUSES (SCOTLAND) BILL. The Marquis of BREADALBANE, in moving'the ,econd reading of this bill, said it was ono that would greatly benefit the labouring and operative classes in Scotland by, providing them with dwellings of an im proved deocription to those which at present existed. Lord PAIsbIURE and the Duke of ARGYLL cor dially supported the bill. After afew words from Lord REDESDALE the bill was read a second time. ENDOWED SCHOOLS (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion of Earl GRANVILLE, this bill was read a second time. EDINBURGH LANDS BILL. This bill, on the motion of Lord ItEDESDALE, passed through committee. The Victoria Government Bill passed through com mittee. ..The Waste Lands (Australian) Acts Repeal Bill passed through coturriittee. The New South W•ales Government Bill also passed through committee The Places of Religious Worship Registration 8.11 passed through corn mitt(e. YOUTHFUL OFFENDERS BILL. This bill, after a few verbal amendments, "passed through cernmitt,,.e,. ITAILEYBURY COLLEGE BILL. On the -motion that this bill be read a third time, Lord BROUGHAM hoped that compensation wo'ild be given to those persons who, would be deprivati of office by this bill. EttrIGRANVILLE said the noble and learned 10 rd's miahes had been amticii:atod. The bill was then read a third time and passed. ENCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) Acr CONTINITANC,E BILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR said this bill was, merely'to csntrin the powers of the act already in fore for another year. id: After a few words from Lord BROUGHAM, The bill was read a second time. Their lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS--(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER t)ok the chair at 12 o'clock. The Lords' amendments to the following bills orm.o considered and agreed to :—Bolton and Nightinga .e's Road ; Gun-barrel Proof-houses (Birmingham and Lon don) ; Stockton and Darlington Railway ; West So: ner set Mineral Railway ; and Wolverhampton New Water. Petitions were presented by Colonel LINDSAY, from. Fife, against the Lord Advocate's Education Bill ; also a petition, by Mr. Duticall, from Dundee, to the sanie effect. NUISANCES REMOVAL AMENDMENT BILL. On the order of the day for the house going into com mittee on this bill the further consideration of the•bill was resumed from July 10, at clause 28, in which Mr. Dillwyn had moved to insert a proviso to exempt smelt ing works from the operation of the clause. The committee divided on this proviso, when the num bers were— For the proviso 25 Against it 27 Majority against the proviso Mr. KNIGHT then moved to add at the end of the same clause these words, " Provided always that the provisions hereintofore contained shall not extend or be applicable to any placo without the limits of any city, town, or borough." The hon. member contended that. if there were not some such proviso introduced into the: bill it would have the effect of driving out of the country soap making and other important manufactures. Sir F. THESIGER fully concurred in the object of the amendment, but wished to add to it the word s " populous districts." Mr. ROEBUCK opposed the additional words pro posed to be added by Sir F. Thesiger, considering thoy had no legal definition, and would lead to much litila tion. Si;: B. HALL said be had no objection to the words " populous districts" being added, and in that case he should not oppose the insertion of the proviso of the hon. member for North Worcestershire (Mr. Knight). After some further conversation the committee divided, when the numbers were— For the insertion of the words "pope- • lous districts " Against ' Majority —46 The words were therefore ordered to be added to the Clause. On the question that clause 28, as amended, stand. part of the bill, Mr. KENDALL moved, as an amendment, that the clause be omitted. He represented a most extensive district, and he felt convinced that if the clause was passed it would affect the wages of every Cornish miner. He thought the less evil of the two would be to with draw the clause altogether. Mr. CHILDS seconded the amendment for the omis sion of the clause. Mr. ADDERLEY opposed the amendment. 'le thought hon. members on considering this impor tat question ought to look at it in a general and in a.. pri vate point of view. Mr. BARROW supported the amendment, believi:tg that the only object of the clause would be to hars.ss parties, and that through the medium of the officers of the Government with a heavy purse. As to the ric h, there w ag no necessity for him to advocate their caw a, as doubtless they would neverbe visited by the Gov&-ri ment officials, but the poor and rea d y manufacturer would be eternally annoyed by then). If they paes,d this clause, they would raise an amou n t of fire-damp that would ex plode ultimately upon th emse l ves. 'Jr. L. nEYWORTH also supp or t e d the aruet.d- inept. Mr. HENLEY supported the clause, which he Icoll.yi remedial in its nature upon as only reme • Mr. LLOYD DAVIS supported the clause, helievi that its provisions w ould confer benefit both on the 1.0vr,.; and on the rich. After some observations from Mr. H. VlVlA.anct Mr. WILLIAMSON, Lord SEYMOUR said be doubted ver much who_ y ther this clause ought to be continued part of the He warned theta to look well after manufacturers., and n() , slightly interfere w ith their interests,, b ecause the re were at the present moment the greate.t inducements for them to take their c a p ital abroad. Ile a ttr d E his Board it was oar right honourable friend the President of of Health whether he reall y thought _, n ecessary to r e t a i n thi s clause in the bill ? S:r B.TI ALL thought it n ecessary that the prese 7 it clause should remain in withc rowing it would betbleefthtioll'thbeeirearue:needte yhb;ffienct!t of ict inent under the common gove to all parties at once k e w. The clause, however,4. the nuisance or going before opportunity of mitigadog sance was not abated then e re the Justices, and if the t After ElOme further discussion to the commmi la•. when there appeared— on the committee div:ded For retoining the ola.use ............... 85 Agaiost it ........................... ... Majority in favour of the c1au5e.......... 39 4 n The clause was then a dd e d to the bill. -- Clause 29, on the motion of sir B. HAUL. wa, °" • from, the bill upon the unders tanding that ttNl clause in li eu o f it should be added in a future 11:r/ other Ou cla use 30 b e i n g put, giving power to th e local authorities to i ns titute proceedings and to pay for there out cf the rat es , seine di s cussion took place, in the cou rse of which, Mr. BARROW complained that power was given to "-atiwritlem to spend money without 13,-ping "7 , v , t%en . 32 ~v 1,,t11,6; t • 35, :13, a 7,33 30, 40, and 4 1 w(:ro to, with fe - w verbal amen ' drnentl. On clause 42 beicg, put, which provides an appeal to q i trier Vt*isiOZ,P, DAIZEOIV cornplain,vl. that the time allowed for a pp,al was insufficient. air B. HALL observed that the clause had been rn operation for some time, and he had never heard any complaint against it. Mr. PELLATT considered the time too short, and stated, in support of that assertion, that he had received communications from several manufacturers to that effect. _ . . After some further discussion, 14 days were inserted in the clause instead of 7, and the clause as amended was ordered to stand part of the bill. Clauses 43 and 44 were agreed to. ._ . On clause 45 being put, which gave power to con stables to aid in the removal of nuisances. - - Mr. HENLEY considered it as unnecessary, and trusted that it would be struck out. Sir B. HALL said that in Dublin, during one year, the police were the cause of removing no less than 28,562 nuisances, and if they were equally energetic in this country he thought the clause would be a very use ful one. After some further discussion the clause was agreed to be struck out by consent. Clauses 46 and 47 were agreed to without opposition . On clause 48, subjecting certain offensive trades to the operation of the bill, and giving the Secretary of State the power of interposing, in case the local authorities did not interfere with that spirit and vigour which were necessary, _ A. brief' discussion took place, in wbich Mr. WIL LIAMS complained that the metropolis alone was in tended to be subjected to this interference of the Secre tary of State, and not the country at large. Mr. A. Pellatt, Mr. Adderley, ,Zr. Wilkinson, and the Attorney-General having also spoken, Lord R. GROSVENOR suggested that some modifi cation of the clauses should take place, or that the right hon. baronet should give it some further consideration. Sir B. HALL (after consulting with Sir G. Grey) said that he had agreed with his right hon. friend to withdraw the clause for the present, and in the meanwhile to submit it to some further consi deration, with a view to adopting such other proposals as might be deemed advisable when it was reported. The clause was accordingly agreed to be struck out. The remaining clauses of the bill were afterwards agreed to, and, - Some further clauses relating to procAedings to be taken in the event of any impending epidemic diseases, with a view to their prevention or mitigation in case of their occurrence, were added to the bill, as were also some others of a different nature. The house then resumed, and the Chairman reported progress. METROPOLITAN BUILDINGS ACT. The house then went into committee on this bill, and the house having immediately resumed, the Chairman reported progress. NEW MEMBER. Mr. HOLLAND took the oaths and his seat for Eye sham. The house then adjourned until 6 o'clock. The house resumed at 6 o'clock. Sir F. THESIGER presented a petition from the heads of the Jewish congregation in London, against some clauses of the Dissenters' Marriages Act. STEAM COMMUNICATION WITH AUSTRALIA. Sir J. PAEINGTON put the following questions to Lord John Russell :—" Whether he has received a copy of a circular despatch from Governor-General Sir Win. Denison to governors of other Australian colonies, sub mitting heads of plan for establishment of monthly line of steam-packets to England, estimating the amount to be paid to a company or companies for that accommoda tion at 100,0001. per annum, and proposing that three fifths of the required amount should be borne by the Home Government and two-fifths by the Colonies. Whether he has received a copy of an address pre sented by the Legislative Council of Victoria to the governor of that colony, expressing surprise and re gret that the Home Government had suffered frequent and quick communication with England by steam to cease, and expressing their readiness to bear their fair share of the cost of renewing it, to an amount not exceeding 50,0001. per annum. Whether her Majesty's Government have given their attention to this subject, and how far they can hold out a prospect of the early re-establishment of s . ;earn communication with Australia ?" Lord J. RUSSELL stated that deQpatches had been received on the subject from 'Sir W. Denison, to the effect referred to by the right hon. baronet, as also from Victoria. The subject was under the consideration of the Government, and he was in communication with some parties on the subject, and hoped that a subject of so much importauca , vculd arrive at a satisfactory issue. ROMAN CATHOLIC CHARITIES Bal. In reply to a question by Sir F. THESIGEA, Sir 6. - GREY said that it was the intention of the Government to ask the house to assent to the 4ecund reading of the Roman Catholic Charities Bill, but ho in tended to move a continuance clause, ler one year, in the Cbaritable Trusts Act, affecting Roman Catholic charities. MEDICAL TRRATMENT IN THE CRIMEA. • Mr. M. MILNES wished to know whether the Go vernment would institute an inquiry into the circutii stances connected with the death of Mr. Stowe—a gentleman who was sent out to the Crimea to adminis ter the Times Fund. That gentleman, it was stated, hlthough in a dangerous state of illness, was refused ad• mission into the hospital at Balaklava, and, in conse quence of such refusal, his death was caused or ac celerated. Mr. F. PEEL said that he had no knowledge of the transaction except what he had seen in the public papers, but he had no objection whatever to make inquiries into the matter. Mr. TAFFORD inquired whether the Under-Sec retary Tor War had received any further communica tions in reference to the medical treatment of our wounded soldiers on the 18th of June last, in tbo Crimea ? Mr. PEEL stated that on a former evening he had proposed to read to the house a letter he bad received on on the subject, but was prevented by an bon, member. lie thought it better not to read that letter to the house until the Government was in possession of more ample and complete information on the subject. The steps which had been taken on the subject of inquiry were, that a committee ormedical officers was directed to be formed from the division not engaged in the attack on the 18th of June. This committee would examine all the medical officers of the division, and the evidence received would be sent home with the report of the com mittee, and as soon as it was received it should be com municated to the house. THE NEW TURKISH LOAN. Mr.- COBDEN stated that last week a message was sent by the French Government to the Legislative Assembly of France giving full details of the convention entered into between England, Fiance, and Turkey for the guarantee of a loan of 5,000,0001. to Turkey. He wished to know whether the noble lord at the head of the Government was prepared to furnish the house with the same information ; and if so, whether it could be afforded in sufficient time to admit of full discussion ? On a previous occasion the noble lord had said that the con vention was not concluded. Lord PALMERSTON explained that what he had said on a former occasion was, that the treaty was con cluded, but that the ratifications were not exchanged. It was not usual or right to lay treaties before the house until the ratifications, were exclianged v as they were not binding until that formality had been gone through. Mr. COBDEN wished to know when the ratifications would be exchanged ? Lord PALMERSTON said that measures had been taken for exchanging the ratifications at the earliest pos sible opportunity. The ratifications of England and France had been sent in to Turkey in order that they might be exchanged without loss of time at Constan tinople. Mr. COBDFAN said that the Emperor in his message had said that the convention was signed; "un conven tion est conclu" were the words. Lord PALMERSTON—That meant, that the treaty was signed by the plenipotentiaries of the powers. Mr. RICARDO wished to know whether the conven tion gave the joint guarantee of the two Governments for the whole loan, or did each Government guarantee one-half of the loan ? • Lord PALMERSTON—It i; a joint guarantee for the whole loan. THE AUSTRIAN PROPOSALS. SIR B. LYTTON'S MOTION. LORD JOHN RUSSELL'S STATEMENT. Lord PALMERSTON laid upon the table some papers by command of her Majesty, on the subject of the recent negotiations at Vienna. The noble lord said —I may be allowed to take this opportunity of advert ing to the motion of the right hon. member for Bucks \lr. Disraeli), for this evening, that to-morrow the " orders of the day" should be postponed, for the pur pose of enabling the hon. baronet the member for Herts to bring on his motion. To that motion her Majesty's Government will object for this reason, that the papers new laid upon the table aro such that they should be read by hon. members before coming to the discussion of that motion. After to-morrow the Government would cffer no objection whatever to the bringing for ward of the motion. Lord J. RUSSELL—I will, with the permission of the house, take occasion to refer to a question which I understand was put in my absence by the right hon. member for Bucks, as to whether I bad obtained her Majesty's consent to the statement which I male respect to the proceedings in the Cabinet of which I am a member. What I had stated with respect to the Cabinet was either what was perfectly well known, or m ight have been inferred by any one who had followed the course of recent events. Count Buol had thought p r oper to issue a circular, which app eared in the public wipers, in whic h he referred , to a c on fid ent i al communi cation with M. Dron y n de 1 Huys and myself. I stated seeiginthe l p l ib e- - Olt the co mmunication of the Austrian G overnment hostilities o r t o had,3ve b t2h e a n t e n e o e o i n cl e e re c d ou b i( y i s h u e p r p 0 3, ,, I e ajty t e h s at: s advisers. h ad m a d e a . A w us t t o ria p n ut G at o l v e e n rn d m t e o n h t I p i r e o p p a o p si e t r i s on tl w ia i t t,a t : h ld e take part in the war, that the English Government would t been assented to. I con have refused altogether t look into or consider those propositions.propositions stated siti o ns of which every one f h ti a r d at r e lo r that upon a full considera tionceive that must have been a fact in any nropo. Inuit have been aware, because if early sition of tbb had been assentiN l or 41;rt!:(-r n forthm r e,rnolu,',,atien with R_1,4 ,1 -*-, ~Yla 1.. to there Y would have • a n :,.." ‘* stated • ul, 11 that suljt,et which seemed to we to that I shonl-t ask the ro , s.nt of her Majesty to the stAie• nisnt which I made. As the right hon. gentleman h is raised the sulj2et, I have submitted the question to tier .?,lajesty, who has .heen. graciously pleased_ to sanction the statement which I Made. I maybe, perhaps, allQWed to say that with respect to what I stated on a former night, some very erroneous inferences have been drawn from what I mid. I thought it necessary, as so much bad been published, to make a statement of what the Austrian propositions really were, and what was my opinion with respect to them. It has been inferred from what I then stated, that because I said at the end of April or the first day of May that I thought those propositions might have been accepted, that I think now these propositions might form a basis for peace. Such a proposition would be totally erroneous, and it is entirely contrary to the facts to suppose that I consider now that these propositions would form any satisfactory basis for peace. It was my opinion at the time, as I stated the other day, and I re tain the opinion as to what might have been then a satis factory proposition. But I believe now that nothing but a vigorous prosecution of the war will obtain terms upon which a satisfactory peace can be secured. (Hear, hear, and ironical cheers.) Mr. DISRAELI—Sir, it occurs to me that since the First Minister of the Crown has not thought it fit to name any day for the discussion of the motion proposed by the Hon member for Heits, it would have been more convenient if his noble colleague had not made the state ment which he has made upon the subject of the length ened narrative with which he favoured the house on Fri- day night last, which has so greatly disquieted the coun try. I do not think that the statement which the noble lord has made has at all changed his situation with re spect to the house, as regards the narrative which he delivered on the night to which I have referred. I did not, nor did any one else, on - Friday night maintain that in consequence of the speech of the noble lord he was at this moment of opinion that peace ought to be nego tiated with Russia upon the basis of the proposition which he had disapproved on Friday ; that was a point which was not the least brought into consideration ; but the point which startled the house, and, I think I may say, greatly disquieted the public mind in this country, is that it came out, not by hazard, but from a statement formally and definitely given, and in a manner well ma tured on the part of the noble lord, that he had returned to England with a project of pacification of which he ap proved, and which neither the gnat majority of this house, nor of the country, either then, or at this time, or any other time, would sanction, and that he had recommended that project to his colleagues, but in consequence of their refusal to adopt it be _ did feel that be was bound to consider whether it was not his duty to retire from the Government ; and, though influenced by their consideration he remained a member of that Administration, he shortly after wards came down to this house and made a speech which conveyed to the country that lie was an un compromising advocate fur the continuance of the war. (Cheers.) Further, that he had returned from Vienna with the conviction that an uncompromising prosecution of the war was absolutely necessary, and conveying also to this house that he was convinced by his experience at the conferences that any attempt et negotiation with a reasonable hope of success was utterly impossible. By this means he conveyed to the house and the country an impression that seems to me utterly inconsistent with the facts of the case. (Cheers.) I do not think the state ment which lie has made to the house this evening, that he is really in favour of a vigorous prosecution cf the war, will greatly reassure the daunted spirit of the nation. (Cheers.) I shall not make any observation with respect to the question which I was obliged to ad dress to him in his absence on Tuesday night—a question which I consider a most constitutional one. The noble lord has admitted that he had not the royal sanction to make the communication with respect to tv',at -took place of which he informed the house. He seems to think that it was a mere matter of course what he then stated, that there were other ways of obtaining the information which he then afforded the house. But after all, what was the information ? That there had been discussion and difference of opinion in the Cabinet —that in consequence of this discussion and this diffe rence of opinion upon the • most important question of the age, he had even contemplated the necessity of ten dering his resignation ; that ho was influenced by their consideration not to take that step. He now says we might have learned all this from the usual organs of in formation, and from the circulars of foreign ministers. However, I differ entirely with him, and I say that it is impossible for the house to have information on that state of affairs, had it not been for the communica tion which I have yet to learn he was authorised to make without having first obtained the gracious permission of her Majesty. (Cheers.) The noble lord at the head of the Government has found fault with the notice of motion which I have placed upon the paper to-night, the object of which was to in sure for the motion of my hon. friend the member for Herts the opportunity and certainty of its being brought forward to-morrow night. What were the circumstances under which that notice was given ? It was on last Fri day the noble lord the Secretary for the Colonies made the speech which has created so painful a sensation in the country. My hon. friend anticipated the general feel ing of the house and of the country in his conviction that no time should be lost in ascertaining the opinion of the house with respect to the statements of one of the most important members of the Cabinet. We are at the pre sent moment involved in a war of magnitude, which de mands the exertion of our utmost energies, and on the part of the nation that firmness of spirit which can only result from having cleat ideas of what is the conviction of those who are entrusted with the management of affairs, and who are called upon to use their utmost en deavours to carry into effect the policy which we sanc tion. The people of this country suddenly find that one of the most eminent members of the Cabinet, who some weeks ago was addressing the country through this house in tones which conveyed his conviction that the coun try was embarked 'in a great struggle, and that it was absolutely necessary to summon all their energies to the contest, they now find that on that very day, or .a few days after, he had recommended to his colleagues to end this quarrel in a manner which, if it had been sane tioeed by the house, would show that there is no interest at stake which justified the immense sacrifices which we arunow called upon to make. It becomes therefore in. vitable that not a moment should be lost without the opinion of the house being taken upon the position of the Government, as at present constituted, a direct vote being given as to whether the continuance of this coun cil is satisfactory for the country at a moment of such national exigency. (Cheers.) Now it happened that we heard from a member of the Administration the most competent to give proper information on the subject, that the house was to go into a committee of supply to-mor row. This was the earliest opportunity my hon. friend could command, it was the most constitutional one fur bringing forward matters of grievance, for what na tional grievance can be so great as that the country ehould be involved in a war of magnitude, conducted by Ministers who are not unanimous in opinion with re spect to the necessity of that war ? (Loud cheers.) Well, my .hon. friend gave -his notice, and what then happened t The noble lord the leader of the house in stantly changes the order of business for Friday—(hear) and,. with the recollection of last Friday's debate still in his memory, and knowing, as every gentleman in this house knows, whatever his opinions may be, that no other subject than that has occupied the public mind since the notice of my hon. friend was given, the noble lord when asked, according to our forms, what business he would proceed with on Friday, says, with great com posure, "The new Partnership Bill and the Limited Lia bility Bill." (Laughter.) These are the measures of deep and absorbing interest which are to be introduced to the consideration of the House of Commons at a mo ment when there is not a man walking the streets of London who is not asking, " What is to be the fate of my country if it is involved in a great war, and that war is to be prosecuted by a Cabinet which is not unanimous as to the necessity of the war ?" (Hear.) What is the Partnership Bill ? What the people of England want to know is the condition of the partner ship in Downing-street. (Hear, and laughter.) They want to know whether the principle of limited liability is prevalent in that locality—(great laughter) —or whe ther the people are still to enjoy the general and cal-, lected responsibility of Ministers of the Crown, which hitherto has been the salutary and constitutional prac tice to expect. Sir, the noble lord seemed to demur to an observation of mine just now—he seemed to express his incredulity at my statement, that it had been his in tention to go into Committee of Supply on Friday night. Well, suppose it was not his intention, I say it was the duty of the noble lord to go into Committee of Supply. All I can say is I received authentic information—it was known to many gentlemen on both-sides that the Government would go into Committee of Supply on Friday night. (Hear, hear.) But if that was not the intention of the noble lord, I Fay—after the notice of my hon. friend—he should have said, " We will give the, earliest opportunity for testing the opinion of the House of Commons upon a question of this kind." (Hear.) Heretofore it has been the invariable custom of the Ministers, when the confidence of the house in their policy has been questioned, to bring the matter as ' speedily as possible to an issue. But let the house con sider the peculiar circumstances under which the ques tion of confidence in the Government, as at present con stituted, was to be brought forward by my hon. friend. It is not merely England, but it is Europe, that is watching anxiously for the discussion now impending. (Hear, hear.) I should have thought that the noble lord would seize the earliest opportunity to settle a ques tion so important, and would not have remained with the energies of the Government paralysed, and the cha racter of the Government impaired, by a motion of this gravity impending over him. It is the general feeling of the country, and, I may say, without prejudging the issue of the discussion, of the house also, that upon this subject on early, an immediate, and, I will arid, a corn plete discussion ought to take place. (Hear.) N ow , sir, what does the noble lord say to-night? He says, " Here are some papers which ought to be placed on the table, and which ought to be read by hon. mem bers before they venture to express any opinions upon the motion of the hon. member for Hertfordshire." Well, I must say, with my viewsu of tt l the it is one that can be u eu e t s e t d ion by at sue a i n s yp , a t p h e a rs t b which can be laid upon the table. We have something but affected more authentic than any diplomatic documents to guide our judgments on the present occasion. We have the most authentic evidence in the world. We have the speech of a Cabinet Minister, the principal actor on the scene ; and it is on his own confession, on his own reve lations, on hi s own ev id ence, that I am per f ect l y pre p are d o form my opinion and to give my vote. No doubt, if the Minister rose and said that he thought it would be more consonant with the spirit of justice ofa free people — ,, reel %%hie', I hi e s ° will ev , sr pervade the discussions of so erecestn wit t the deb?te tu-7rtorlew, have a , :e%tt. , l lo ptcpos'ai. bllolll.] a p l o b s ) e w d t i b f e h e d t u t d u s le u t u e acted i c t o l i ru f e ra o u c k n u e p s o s , n and Monday said h ; r would Outaay the courAo he pro o if be had said, " When you have digested these papers I shall be prepared to give you a day." Did the noble lord say that .1 (Hear.) No ; the noble lord stated that in the course of next week, perhaps, the hon. gentleman might find an opportunity to bring his motion forward. (No, no, from the Ministerial benches, and cheers.) I appeal to the house if it was not so. (Cheers.) Did the noble lord say that he would go into committee of supply en Monday ? (Hear.) Not a word of it ; and I dare say .he intended to take the Scotch Education Bill on that day, or, if not then, to conclude the debate on Limited Liability, and perhaps take a vote upon that all-interest ing subject. (Laughter and cheers.) If the noble lord says that on Monday he will go into committee of sup ply, so that my hon. friend may then bring forward his motion, and so that we may have a full discussion on this important subject, of counts I shall not trouble the house with the motion which I have placed upon the paper. (Hear, hear.) Wh a t ever I ma y thi n k of the influence of these documents upon our opinion, it will be quite enough for such an intimation to come from a person in the position of the noble lord to induce me to accede to it. But at the Fame time I say that it ought to be coupled with a clear intimation from the noble lorC of the time when the discussion will take place. If the noble lord bad risen to state that on Monday the discus sion would take place, all that I should have done would be to ask the permission of the house not to press the motion of which I have given notice this evening. 01 course I shall persevere with that motion, and shall ask the opinion of the house upon it unless I obtain from the noble lord that which I am sure hon. gentlemen on both bides of the house expect—namely, an intimation that hon. members will receive these papers to-morrow, and that he will on Monday next either give my hon. friend a day on which to bring forward his motion, or go ipte Committee of Supply and allow him to fulfil his original intention. (Cheers.) Lord PALMERSTON—ReaIIy, Sir, theright hon. gen tleman has made "much ado about nothing." (Laughter and cheers.) In the first place, with regard to what passed upon a former occasion, I am not aware that my hon. friend fixed the ComMittee of Supply to take place on Friday otherwise than in the way in which the Com mittee of Supply is always postponed as a matter of course, from one Supply day to another. But this I will say, that if I had fixed the Committee of Supply for Friday, seeing the condition in which the house is placed with regard to the motion of the hon. baronet, seeing that the papers, with all the efforts that have been made to expedite them, could not be laid upon the table till to-night, and that they would not be in the hands of hon. members till to-morrow, I should have pursued in regard to the Committee of Supply the same course which I announced my intention of pursuing with regard to the motion of the right hon. gentleman —namely, I should have postponed the Committee of Supply, as I intended to oppose the motion, fey the special and avowed purpose of deferring the discussion of the question until the papers had been in the posses sion of hon. members in time to enable them to read them. Ido not shrink from the avowal that I should have taken that course if it had been necessary for me to do so. But, Sir, the right hon. gentleman, as I have al ready said before, makes " much ado about notbing" be cause what I stated was this—l stated my cbjection to take a discussion to-morrow on the motion of the hon. baronet the member for Hertfordshire, and also the rea gun why I entertained the objection ; but I said that after *morrow I should throw no difficulty in the way of any arrangement which the hon. baronet might make. Well, Sir, the right hon. gentleman objects to the totune as not including the pars. Why, if I gave the hon. gentleman a whole week, surely I gave him Monday, if Monday would suit him. It was not for me to settle matters between the hon. baronet the member for Hertfordshire (Sir E. B. Lytton) and the hon. and learned gentleman the member for Sheffield (Mr. Roebuck), .who has a notice upon the paper for the next day. (Hear, and cheers) I think it would have been very unbecoming for me- to fix a posi tive day for the discussion of a - motion which might list probably more than one day. I thought that it would be best not to interfere with the motions of hon. members, and I left them to make their own arrangements, At the time I am perfectly prepared to say that if the hon. baronet wishes to make his motion on Monday, on Mon day I will move the committee of supply. (Cheers.) I have no wish to shrink from the discussion, and I have nothing whatever to gain from postponing it. (Hear.) I quite understand, and I am sure the house will under stand, that the right hon. gentleman the member for Buckinghamshire, having found that several motions of censure and want of confidence in her Majesty's Go vernment had failed, in consequence of the house un derstanding the subject that was to be discussed, was desirous of hurrying on the motion of the hon. baronet before hon, members had mane themselves properly acquainted with the question. (" Oh, oh. !" and laughter.) It was a perfectly legitimate tactic on the part of the right hon. gentleman, and the house will quite comprehend it. It shows exactly the right hon. gentleman's appreciation of the case which ho has to urge, inasmuch Its he feels the great importance of enabling the house to come to a decisien upon the sub ject before they know anything of the real matter under discussion. (Laughter and cheers.) I have now only one word more to add with regard to the remarks of the right hon. gentleman with respect to what has fallen from my noble friend (Lord J. Russell). The right hon. gentleman is not satisfied with the remarks of my noble friend as to the statement which he had made on a former occasion, respecting a decision of the Cabinet, but he seems to think that in stating generally that a certain proposition was considered and. not adopted my noble friend forgot his duty as a Privy Councillor. Why, seldom a week passes in this house that some member dues not get up in his place and ask her Ma jesty's Government whether they will agree to certain things, or whether they have adopted a certain measure. It is absolutely necessary that we should state what the de cisions of the Government are ; but I never before heard any member pretend to say that the announcement in public, either in this house or elsewhere, of the decision of the Government upon any given proposition was a de parture from the duty of a Privy Councillor. It would be perfectly impossible to carry on the business of this house in a manner satisfactory to the house and to the public, if the, members of the Government were never to be allowed to state what was the general decision of the Government upon any question which might be brought before them. At present I shall not enter into any further details, but I hope that I have satisfied the right hon. gentleman that he and his hon. friend may have Monday to do what they please with it, and that the hon. baronet will meet with no obstruction in bringing forward his motion. Sir E. B. LYTTON—The noble lord has said that my right hon. friend has made "much ado about no thing." lam not surprised at that, because in point of chronological order, I think "Much Ado about Nothing" comes just after "The Comedy of Errors." (Laughter.) I do not know in what degree the production of these papers, which in the opinion of the GOvernmerit ought to be in the hands of hon. members before my motion is din caused, may lighten the.charge which it is my intention to bring against the noble lord, but I am extremely glad that they should be produced before the discussion is entered into. It is not my wish, nor can ;it be the wish o f a ny man, that anythi ng un f a i r s h ou ld b e d one t owar d s the Government ; and if the production of these papers will save me from committing an error upon any single point I shall be happy to have them produced. (Hear.) Therefore, as far as I am concerned, I accept the expla nation of the noble lord, and I accept also the day which the noble lord proposes. (Cheers.) Perhaps, however, he will allow me to mention a suggestion which has bee* made to me, that it would be more convenient and more suited to the importance of the question if I were allowed to bring on the resolution as a substantive motion rather than upon going into committee of supply. Lord PALMERSTON—I have no objection. (Hear.) Sir E. B. LYTTON—Then I have nothing further to say, except that I accept the day which the noble lord has proposed. Sir J. WALSH was anxious that the subject should not drop before the attention of the house was called to the striking discrepancy that existed between the state ment of the noble lord this evening and that which he had made on a former occasion. In describing the sub. stance of Count Buol's circular, he (Sir J. Walsh) had at that time referred to the fact that Count Duel stated that he was prepared to submit an ultimatum to Rus sia, founded on the proposals which he had laid before the noble lord ; that he was prepared, if these proposals were adopted by England and France, to lay them be fore Russia in the shape of an ultimatum, and to make it a casus belli if Russia should refuse to accept it; and that the noblelord gave his full adhesion and approval to these pro posals, and agreed to presi their adoption upon his Govern ment with all the influence he possessed. The noble lord, however, in the statement with which ho had favoured the house to-night had entirely omitted to notice these material clrcurestances which identified him personally, in the eyes of Europe, with the acceptance of these pro positions, and merely observed in a sort of cursory man ner, that of course, as a matter of courtesy to Austria, it followed that he should not reject and refuse them ; that they were submitted ou his return to the Cabinet, and that the Cabinet rejected them. He (Sir J. Walsh) thought the important point as regarded the noble lord was that, according to the statement of Count Buol, be had identified himself personally with the proposals which bad been:made ; that he bad agreed to support and bad given his whole adhesion to them; and that, when he had requested either to affirm or to deny the correct ness of Count Buol's statement, he had acknowledged its accuracy in the most comprehensive terms. That was :s most material difference, and he should be unwilling that the house, many members of which might have been ab sent when the noble lord replied to his question, should take their impression from the extremely slight and soft statement with which the noblelord had favoured the house this evening.. Before be sat down he might address a few observations with reference to the two motions of which notice had been given. It was perfectly true, as had been suggested, that the motion of the hon. and learned gentleman the member for Sheffield and the hen. baronet the member for Hertfordshire were so similar in character that they involved the same considerations, and, no doubt, there would bo some inconvenience if they were both pressed simultaneously on the attention of the House. It was very probable, considering the magnitude of the question and the importance and corn prehensivene,s of the subject which would be opened by the motion of the boo. baronet, that the debate upon that motion would be adjourned. What was the pre- sent, position of the house with re s pec t to this question ~! r . o•rn 2 Hie 6e-eft hoe f r ier(' th e ifiem b, ew things existing at that time ; there was an adjonrne I debate, Whitsuntide intervened, the negotiations were brought to a close, and all the important changes took place which resulted, from the close of the conferences. The papers were quite ready at that time to be KA mitted to the consideration of the house, and they ought to have been enabled to form a conclusicn on the com plete state of things. The motion of the hon. member For Portsmouth was, therefore, nugatory, and conveyed no expression whatever of the real sentiments of the house upon this important question. Two questions would now be raised by the motion of the hon. baronet the member for Hertfordshire—first, a question involv ing the individual character of the noble lord the mem ber for the city of London as a statesman, and the claim which he would hereafter have on the confidence of the house and the country. Considering the import ance of the position filled by the noble lord in that house as well as in the country, that question was by no means a light one. (Hear.) But there was another question not less important. It appeared clearly from ~be statements which had been made that there bad been two parties in the Cabinet of the noble lord, one inclining to the acceptance of the last Austrian pro position and another against that acceptance. He pre sumed that, as those propositions had been rejected, the noble lord at the head of the Government had supported that side of the question. Still it was a most important question to decide whether he was right or wrong in re jecting those Austrian propositions and prosecuting the war. (Hear.) That was the real question of peace or war as it now stood before the house, and it was a sub ject of so large a nature, embracing so many considera tions, that he did not think it could be determined in the course of one evening. He put it, therefore, to the hon. and learned gentleman the member for Sheffield whether it would not be desirable to make some arrangemebt by which his motion should not interfere with the progress if the debate on the motion to be brought forward by the hon. baronet the member for Hertfordshire ? Mr. ROEBUCK—The house will probably consider that I ought to make some statement after the appeal which has been made to me. (Hear.) I believe that the question about to he proposed by the hon. baronet the member for Hertfsrdshire is really ono of the most important that can be submitted to the house. (Hear.) I think that the two questions ought not to be before the house at the same time; and, therefore, if the de bate should be adjourned on Monday I shall accede to the wish of the house and postpone the motion of which I have given notice. I have only one object in view, and I believe that I shall best attain my object by adopt ing that course. (Cheers.)_ Lord J. RUSSELL —After what the hon. baronet the member for Radnorshire has stated, I must say that nothing which I have said this evening is at all inconsist ent with the answer which I gave upon a former ec clsion. Mr. HUTT inquired of the Government whether the circular of Count Boo! Wfla among the papers to be laid on the table of the house ? Lord PALMERSTON—I don't think that that cir cular is in the possession of her Majesty's Government. The papers were then ordered to be laid upon the table. THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENINC3, JULY 13 1856 EDUCATION (SCOTLAND) BILL. On the motion for the third reading of this bill, Sir J. FERGUSSON asked the indulgence of the house while he made one effort more to defeat a measure the passing of which he should much deplore. The pre amble of the bill, in the first place, cast a slur upon the Church of Scotland, into whose charge the schools had been committed, which drew from its members a strenu ous opposition to the bill. It was to the efforts of the Church in Scotland that the successful e lucation of the people was owing, and its members disapproved the mode of Government by a central board in Edinburgh, the religious qualifications of the members of which were not tested. If they could secure a certainty that the schools could be conducted upon Presbyterian prin ciples he might feel justified in withdrawing his opposi tion, but the most important powers were given to the board—the power of examining schoolmasters, of depri vation and censure, of forcing the ratepayers to erect schools, and of taxing them for their support. Such powers ought not to be given to a board when there was no security that it would be composed of members be longing to the church. Ile therefore moved as an amend ment, that the bill be read a third time that day three months. Mr. HEYWORTH also opposed the bill. Upon a division, the numbers were— For the third reading lO5 Against it lO2 Majority --3 The announcement of the numbers was received with loud cheers. The bill was then read a third time. Ou the LORD ADVOCATE proposing an additional clause, Mr. HADFIELD appealed to the Government whe ther they would persist in the bill after such a decided expression of the opinion of the house, and when se veral members who had hitherto snpported the bill had just voted against it. Mr. W. LOCKHART made the same appeal, and said three members representing the largest communities in Scotland, and who had formerly supported the bill, had just voted against it. Mr. G. DUNCAN said he was one of the members referred to. He had all along supported the bill, but he was now reluctantly obliged to vote against it, because he found that the bill converted the Scotch burghs into mere taxing machines, as it gave the general board a power to compel the erection of a school, whether the people in the locality thought it was necessary or not. Mr. COWAN was strongly tempted to have followed the same course with his hon. friend. The bill had been much impaired by the alterations in comthittee, particu larly where the presbyteries of the Established Church were continued in their control over the religious opinions of the schoolmaster. But he was willing to afford the bill the chance of being improved by the amendment of the hon. member for Greenock, who pro posed to remove that control, and therefore he voted in favour of the third reading. He also objected to the compromise that was made with the Roman Catholics and others, which would render the system denomina tional and not national. Sir J. ANDERSON bad supported the bill all along to the present time. The religious body to which he belonged —'the United Presbyterians objected to all Government interference in religion, though they did not object, as Mr. Hadfield did, to all Government in terference in education. lie was, therefore, most anxi ous to have supported the bill, but finding that it had become sectarian he was reluctantly constrained to op pmait. After some observations from Mr. EWAET against, and Mr. CRAUFIIRD in favour, of the bill, Mr. A. HASTIE said the bill was introduced as a national measure, and he hailed it with delight. It then degenerated into'a Presbyterian measure, and though he regretted the change still he could support it, for he was aware that Presbyterians in Scotland constituted 90 per cent. of the population. But now it had become a mere sectarian system, which no denomination in Scotland could accept except the Established and the Free Churches, and he was reluctantly constrained to oppose it. Atter some further diScussion, Lord PALMERSTON said his opinion on the merits of this measure' was not changed, though some hon. members—actuated, he supposed, by pressure from without—had changed their opinions at the eleventh hour. He proposed, therefore, to go on with the bill. An amendment by Mr. DUNLOP, to take away the control of the Presbyteries of the Established Sifigrch from the religious teaching of the schools, was carried by a majority of 117 to 80. The house then divided on the question that the bill do pass, when there appeared— Ayes Noes Majority for the bill 130 115 ..-15 The bill was accordingly passed amid some cheering from the government benches, and laughter from the Opposition. TENANTS' INPROVEMENT COMPENSATION (IRELAND) BILL. The committee on this bill was then resumed. On the 15th clause, Mr. HORSMAN moved that the chairman report progress, and ask leave to sit again. Mr. MALINS wished to ask the noble lord at the head of the Government a question. - A rumour had reached him, which he could not believe, that a certain number of Irish members had waited upon the noble lord and intimated that the retrospective clause in this bill, which had been rejected by a majority of 36, must be restored ; and that the noble lord, under pressure, had agreed to support a motion for its restoration. He could not believe that such a bargain had been made, but he took the liberty to ask whether there was any truth in the report. Lord PALMERSTON said a certain number of Irish members had waited upon him and told him they were anxious to restore the clause which had been restored, and wished to know if be would support them. He told them that as he had voted for the clause before he would certainly vote for'its restoration ; but there was no bargain or pressure in the case: In answer to Mr. S. FITZGERALD and Col. DUNNE, Lord PALMERSTON further explained that the clause he meant to support was that proposed by the Government--not by Mr Sergeant Shee. Some of the deputation did remark that members of the Government were absent on the last division, and he replied he had occasion to remark on the absence of certain members of his Government on former divisions, and he hoped it would not occur again. After a few words from Mr. Sergeant SHEE, Mr. DISRAELI complained of the subterranean manner in which the Irish business of the house was transacted. Ile thought the noble lord would have better consulted his own dignity if he had told this me nacing deputation he would give them his auswer in the House of Commons. At the same time, ho admitted it did not appear that the noble lord had made any un worthy compromise en the occasion, and he was willing to make great allowances for the difficulties of the noble lord's position. Lord PALMERSTON denied that there was anything unworthy in a Minister receiving a deputation from members of the House of Commons. He did not know how the business of the house could otherwise be carried on ; andif he were permitted to ask questions from the Opposition, he suspected he would be able to show that their plan of operations was arranged out of doors quite as much by the Opposition as by the Government. Mr. WHITESIDE reminded the house that the noble lord had been personally opposed to this retrospective clause. He would remind Irish members that this pro- mise might be violated as the promise of Mr. Hayter, that the income tax should not be extended to Ireland, Was violated a few years ago. Sir G. GREY said that this course was constantly taken by English and Scotch members without remark ; but; wLe.qcver it was adopted by Iri:Flt foctubt.rs,, tyte one of their eountryuien to eiar!., ,h u 1 V; it earl dishouormible luotivi'm. ~ va;., a Coo'Anon pac t:ea in this house to reverse a vote in committee at a future stage—it had been done that very night on the beotch Education Bill. He reminded the house that when Mr. Napier brought forward his Tenant Right Bill a deputation* of opponents to the retroSpeetive clause then waited upon Lord Derby. What pressure they used upon the noble lord he knew not, but this he knew that the noble lord took the earliest opportunity of stat ing, in another place, that the support given to it by the Government was a mere illusion, and meant nothing. Mr. BRADY said, though he was not one of the de putation, and was an opponent of the Government, he believed he was the cause of the deputation taking place. He had been told by a member of the house that if the clause was brought forward again, a great many mem bers would support it. This he communicated to a friend of the Government, and that was, he believed, the cause of the deputation. Mr. NAPIER peremptorily denied that be had given any illusory support to the Tenant Right Bill in 1853, or that Lord Derby had entered into any secret compact with its opponents. The discussion was continued by Cul. Greville, Mr. Vincent Scully, Lord Claud Hamilton, Mr. Maguire, Horsrnan, and others, but no new light was thrpwn upon the matter, and the chairman reported progress. The Raglan Annuities Bill passed through committee. The Coal Mines Inspection Bill was read a third time, and, alter the addition of some clauses, The other orders of the day were disposed of, and the house adjourned. SUNDAY BEER BILL COMMITTEE. The committee re-assembled at the usual hour ; Mr; H. Berkeley in the chair. Mr. Trail was the first witness called. He stated ho was unable to state whether drunkenness had increased or diminished since the passing of this bill. He thought drunkenness was on the decline. In reply to a question from the chairman whether that was to be attributed to the increase of education, he stated that the weather had more to do with the increase or decrease of drunkenness than anything else. He was of opinion the drunkard would drink, and in consequence of his being prevented from obtaining it at licensed houses, it increased the sale of intoxicating drinks for consumption in private houses. He thought the latter mode more objectionable than the permission of drink ing in a licensed house, under the responsibility of the licensed victualler and the surveillance of the police. He was wholly incapable of forming an opinion of any inconveniences having arisen from this bill from his not sitting on a Monday. He believed a few such cases bad occurred ; the state of the business oti Monday seas pretty much the same now as before the passing of this bill. No restrictions on the trade would, he thought, prevent drunkenness. He would suggest the power of the magistrate to be enabled to impose a heavy penalty, or otherwise, in the magistrate's discretion as a preven tivs of drunkenness ; if the penalty was not paid, the alternative should be imprisonment. As no w, every hour a public-house was closed, it Citninished the opportunity of drinking, and to a certain extent drunkenness. He thought the old act a reasonable restriction on the trade, and by diminishing the opportunity of getting drink bad a very beneficial effect on the conduct of the people. He was of opinion that the continual opening and abutting of the houses on Sunday, gave so many more temptations, to commit offences ; the public-houses being opened from 1 o'clock to 11 o'clock at night was better than the pre sent regulations ; the exceptions in the act were very bad ; the present act has not had the effect of causing a better observance of the Sabbath, but had been pro ductive of much inconvenience. It would have been very desirable bad there been an appeal clause against the magistrates' decision in all cases as to who was a " traveller.;" if the exception in the act was struck out, a publican would be justified in opening his house to a traveller, but not to keep it open to the public. Mr. Baynton, of the Hammersmith and Wandsworth police court, has had a considerable number of cases under this statute. He had had more cases before him as to the definition of a traveller, and his definition was that a traveller wes a person going from place to place on some duty or service. Many of the houses in the suburbs of London had been materially affeated by this act, and some shut up. At Puteey, one publican opened his house after the passing of this act, placed on his door a placard "refreshment for travellers," and had a book on the counter, in which persons who went there wrote their names and addresses. The pUblican was summoned before him, and he fined him the full penalty of 51. An appeal was made against his decision, and it was quashed. It was very desirable that the public and the publican should not be placed in such an inconvenient position as they now were, by the operations of the present act ; it created an invidious distinction between the rich and the poor as to their means of obtaining refreshments on Sunday, such as ought not to exist; he had no doubt there had been an increase of drinking since the passing of this act, there had been more drink taken out of the public-house during the prohibited hours for consump tion in private houses than formerly. It took place be tween 5 o'clock and 6 o'clock, and was greater than formerly between 3 o'clock and 4 o'clock. It was more desirable the people should drink in licensed houses than in private houses. The police in his district had more rigidly enforced the closing of houses from five o'clock to six o'clock than from three to five o'clock ;he thotight the closing of the houses so early on Sunday a hardship on those who had no homes and no fire-side hut at the public-houses. These people generally spent their Sunday morning when the public-houses were closed in lying in bed or walking about. He thought the keeping open the houses until 11 o'clock on Sunday night would not be so much fur the convenience of the poor as those removed above them. Most of the poor retired to bed by 10 o'clock. He would rather, if it could be - clone, the houses should be closed at 10 o'clock. He thought people congregated in hotels could not be turned out at 10 o'clock ; the land lord, however, ought not to permit the consumption of spirits in his house after that time. He thought the de finition of a traveller by Mr. Norton rather too lax. He had never interpreted the word in that way. He could not say whether the poor man had been refused admission, say into the " Cat and Fiddle," whilst the rich man had been admitted to the " Star and Garter." He had known, however, of no hotel keeper being proceeded against under this act. 11e should not call a man who went from Westminster bridge to Greenwich a traveller. His definition of the word was a man travelling from necessity or business, and so far from his house as not to be able to obtain refreshment. A man going from Shoredith Church to Hackney on business was a traveller, but a man going from Shoreditch Church e to Homerton on pleasure was not. If a man went there partly on pleasure, he should allow the latter to prevail in his mind in interpreting the act. A man having a sick child at Greenwich, ho should consider his going there to visit it a matter of necessity, and considered him a traveller. The appeal he referred to above he believed was under the Police Act, as the Beer Act gave no ap peal. No doubt it was a great hardship for the poor man, when he returned from an excursion trip, to have to go supperless to bed, whilst the rich man could gain admission to his club or hotel. Sir Richard Mayne, Chief Commissioner of the Metro politan'Police—He had attended to the working of the act since its passing. He had had a return made of the number of persons who had been in the hands of the police for drunkenness from January to June, 1854, and from January to June, 1855. He bad had the return made up in three ways, and comprised the district em bracing the metropolitan police courts and a radius of 16 miles from Charing-cross, omitting the city of Lon don, and containing a population of two millions and a half or more. The number in 1854 was 13,814, and in 1855 to 12,333 • in the hands of the police on the Mon day mornings for 1854 the number was 3,224, and in 1855 it was 2,076 ; on the Tuesday mornings in 1854 there were 2,542, and in 1855, 2,441. The numbers differed in some divisions very materially. In the Covent garden district, extending from Temple-bar to Charing cross, and Holborn and the river, and taking in the Strand and St. Giles's, the aggregate number was in 1854, 1,922 ; and in 1855, 1,370. One of his superin tendents considered this diminution arises from the tape tion of the present act. There were a variety of causes to which an increase or diminution of drunkenness might be attributed. He was not aware that the weather had any effect on intemperance. He did not think diink was sold in greater quantities at coffee-houses now than formerly. The police bad no authority to enter coffee houses to ascertain that fact. Towns were no doubt more inconvenienced by the operation of this act than the country districts. The poor, no doubt, felt greater inconvenience from the operation of this act than the rich, who have their clubs or hotels to resort to, and that must always be the case in legislation. He had had reports made him of the number of excursions cut of London, and he found that generally the average on a Sunday was, that at the South-Western railway station alone there were 3,000 persons inconvenienced on a Sunday night in not being able to procure refreshment after 10 o'clock. So far as he had an opportunity of forming an opinion from information derived' from others, he thought inconvenience was found in rural districts from the public-houses being closed from 2 o'clock to 6 o'clock, and in towns from the closing at 10 o'clock ; he considered it was a hardship on the people-public houses being closed as now. It was highly desirable the claims relative to a traveller should be altered. When the act first came into operation several publicans came to him and asked him for his opinion on what was a traveller, but he was unable to give a Fatis factory definition of the word, • and he declined giving the. information required ; they could only be guided by the decisions of the magistrates of the district. In the different districts the police take a different course with respect to it in consequence. When the houses were 'closed till one o'clock on Sunday morning, it produced good results. The question of traveller arose under the former act, but not so much as now. There are further restraints put upon the trade. In many districts a rail way ticket was shown to the landlord, which he cni-e.i dered sufficient proof the person so presenting it was a traveller. Unquestionably there had been a great im provement in the observance of the Sabbath, especially in the evening during the past year. He greatly ob jected to the police being permitted to visit coffee-hous , :s as private individuals to detect the Bolling of spirits there. It was impossible for him to say what had caused. the improvement above stated in the observance of the Sabbath. He believed the beer bill of last session had ceeated dissatisfaction, amongst the frequenters of public houses especially, and increased the excitement that had occurred two Sundays since with reference to the Sunday Trading Bill. He thought that dissatisfaction did not rest only with the lower classes. His impression was that there was more inconvenience arising from the closing public-houses from two o'clock to six o'clock than advantage gained, and pressed on tliwie above the lower claF+.;.e3 %%ha :soil out for mere:- • tion and wou; k i, not aloes •at privilege granted thew. , ; The t , ivalitago ~ b ov.v.zi by he I'Amiv , . " 1, ( or parti a lly obtained by a modification of tLe present act. lie thought public-houses might safely be open from one o'clock to eleven o'clock at night. lie could see no great t en d enc y t o disturbance on the part of th e people who attended places of recreation, At these places the public were well conducted, and if Pala?.e was, opened. on a Sunday he ha d no isa,`„, result, The conduct of the people at. these exemplary, and recreation conducive t o their i'°„u, should be permitted. ex p er ience for %t 11; Chief Commissioner of Police was that upon there had been an improvement in the raorv: duct of the people. But one policeman e/'"'ic on a Sunday at Cremorce Gardens,. an d racy were committed there. Mr. E. Yardley, of the Thames Police that in the case of Messrs. Lovegrove of t iae Blackwall, who kept their tap open on Sactl, s : o l , round that excursionists who came by the A;clyl entitled to refreshments as travellers, he deal. 0,.1 them and fined them, and that was the will c a ar ) portance. that had come before(' him ' - he drover to be a traveller, but he did not hold 0 d man to be such. He thought the questinv, was a traveller was a difficult question , and P l e' l put at rest ; he thought the less legislation thli.; ° the question the better, and was of o pinion , required, There should be some restrict ions houses, but the recent legislation had no t hee, % , tive of much advantage. He was for eirci houses from two o'clock to six o'clock, er m lo different periods according to the time of, that excursionists might not be interfered 111`-00, enness commenced after sunset. He lO o kedel ) / , sionists as respectable people ; he often went to t i o , on a Sunday, but never considered himself sirli There had been a diminution of drunkenet r oa • : trict during the past year, and he had Pr'r6o turn, but he looked upon returns as partill ca and partly fallacious. There had been dove ° r ,r,l his district in addition to the Sunday bill oP e drunkenness, such as the extensive enlistfe° army and militia, and the prolonged wiuter:i months ending August, 1854, there were drunkenness came before him on the MO ~'„3 l e %I 10 months to May 1855, only 375. The of cases for the above period 2,029, an d I°. th 1,583, giving an average of 22 cases per mon e y; pulation of 500,000. The cases - brought bei ° ' ), principally sailors and women, the latter t o s ,ii number, and many of them married wence%ol lies. His opinion was that a person ssh°,l,-a -drink would have it either in public or P r ..,,i'gtt The outward attractions of the gin-palace some persons to enter. Cases had been br ° ;" him of persons selling spirits without a t , o l some cases the spirits had been obtained II" • houses, and in others the proceeds of For 12 months to August, 1854, 80 cases ar t , se cans were brought before him, 39 of wbic missed and 41 convicted. For 10 men 1l 1855, the number of cases were 97, distil l t victed 38. The increase of offences might. w 'a ll e_ v j for, from the law fixing so many periods 113 , of shutting and opening these houses. He °:1,0", the informer against a publican should ID- ., case that the persons in the house were not td, It being 4 o'clock, the committee adjocrl3e COUNTIiY Aid -- DERBY SMITHFIELD.—JuLT lt;tcr,' There was a good average supply of fat be 3 60 1, the demand was flat; there were several let' country graziers, which we hops will give no lief to the scarcity of fat beasts; many lek ones were in good condition, but many Rer e. The number of sheep and lambs about the Ply ply of fat calves not so large, but equal to The pig market was well supplied. The fallowing were the quotations:—Be ef l Q l mutton, 64d to 7d ; lamb, Od to 0,1 ; f i t, t `' ' lb. ." pigs, 9s 9d to lOs Od per score ; roues ' 1, ..„° sr perl4lb.; hides, 3id to 40 per lb ; calf-slcw' per lb, --... 4 1, , EDINBURGH GRAIN.—JULI nti f Wheat on the top same as last market, a nd f is H up. Barley on the top 6d up, and the i , ,' down. Oats on the top Bd, and the average,, Beans on the top 2s, and the average '7B Total Supply and Sales. , Ff' Wheat B3l qrs sot , ' o'' Barley 346 qrs sold 1J 6 'Oats 672 qrs Beans Bl qrs sold , A D'atiP AVERAGES PER IMPERIAL Qv. - rf 'al Wheat £3 15 , 3.1 , i Barley 1 17 , 6.1! Oats Beano dol • BOSTON—JULY 11. W i l l; The moderate quantity of wheat brough t 11 ; readily disposed of at is to 2s per qr adv` nce ‘ti° about 6d per qr. dearer. No material tater° grain. 111 Prices :—Wheat, red, 75s Od to 78s Od; 81s Od . extra, 83s Od. Barley, —s ,Od to 0 . 27s to 31.1. Beans, 47s Od to 49s Od. DO* per qr. NEWARK—JULY 11. rat A good supply of grain to-day. Wheattlot vance of is to 2s per qr. Other articles 0°,;01094' Wheat, white 80s t. 5 84s red 76s to 7 95 ; , 4 , to 'I, —s to —s, grinding 36s to 40s; oats, 24st• 31s to 32s ; beans, 50s to 52s ; malt, 70s to 48s ; tares, —s to —s per qr. SEABORNE Mdli S * &w eal th e sigbfflea that the mails' art cent MV the n3aht—and M by the morning-06' Oaf wh.runa. e , 111 General 1 1 / 4 1St - Wilco, London.* ---- t , s ox Fro Fort, pd . D i s p . -- Liverl* °l uverPo ca goutlimata'il DONT: .• 23d of the month.. 8,9, 24, & 30 of m. 4th & 20th of mon: 17th of the month Daily. ..... •• •• 9th of the month.. 9th attic month.. Pira° 6 , 50utlier ••. iallaoll r g o DOV° r ~,,,.‘ c . t Or Sollth a. 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OF A SON. .v 0) 0 On the 10th inst., the wife of James Oh 0 0 Inner Temple. 101 11) .1 1, 1 On, the 9th inst., at Frederick-placei i tv wife of Win. Thompson, Esq., solicitor. et . On the Bth inst., at the Pareonage, ICh Ac pe von, Mrs. Charles Fowler. On the 10th inst., at Oakley Lodge, the wife of John H. Chance, Esq. OF A DAUGHTER. YAP On the 11th inst., at 21, Park-square; P t o On the 12th inst., at 53, Woburn-place , , P. Joliffe, Esq., barrister-at-law. It es. On the 11th inst., at 8, Chalcot-terracef the wife of Frederick Charles Webb, Esq-„,,,0te" On the 11th inst., at 4. Orsett-terrace, " f race, the•wife of Frank Franklin, Esq. W ife° On the 11th inst., at Witney, Oxon, the John R. Baldwin. • MARRIED oit 'd P. , es ti ote On the 10th inst., at St. Pancras, Chic , " A . 0% Acton, of Knightsbridge, to Louisa, eldeo" - Geo. Shippam, of Chichester On the 10th inst.. at Faringdon, Ber" — pt, 0 - 1 Hitchcock, Esq., of Harefield-park, Middle ~ daughter of Rich ar d Wh ee l er C ro wdy, P..- I a, V don. 1 00` , 0, On the 11th i ns t. at the Cathedral, ga ll. : 0 , fifth son of Wm. inst. Esq., to Be a 9l- daughter of th e R ev . C. F. Bagshaive. DIED. On the 12th inst., William Bradshalff a Homerton, and the Auction Mart, city, ag e ocaP On the 11th inst. at 11, Devonsbirel place, Thomas Dowler, Esq., M.D. On the 11th inst., at 83, Camden- I ' o °la t l3° , Collisson, Esq., having for 30 years ,r„- Git Deputy and Clerk of Assize on the Mid . 1- 52. vgq-Al l On the 9th inst., at Rhyl, N or th eof v• 1) y Fairclough, Esq., of Fairville, Oxton 9 aged 45. tl . On the 10th inst., at Stanfhrd Rivers Eliza Ann, wif e of Archdeacon Tattatn• ~k, On the 22d ult., at Balaklava Fred.e i r ri 7sC%, , , otfi# l , of James Henty, late of Brompt'on, On the 18th ult., supposed to have falloo l a i e ttt . the Redan, though his body was not f?u l3 Jo, Y Hurt, 3 lth Regt., eldest son of Franci s Op? derwaslcy, Derbyshire. On the 20th u l t., b e f ore S e b as topol, - 1 1 . 5 0 3 0/1 ceived on th e 18th, i n th e a tt a ck on th e Frederick Smith, 9th Regt., aged 28. , roi si 0;1 the 16th u lt., bef,re Sebastopol, 2.141.10/ (Pitied. the previetu day in the tmneties, ..--"o v ; 1 —' - - - ~...., , —. ..............._ _.„ O _ 40 , 0 liittqw LONDON : Printed and Published by o fffsaff of No. 112, trand, Printer, at The Sus s o ' Strand, in the Precinct of the Savele 0 Middlesex Friday, July 13,1833. gliza),, :718th Reg COUNTRIES. America (hyltrit.pa ct)lvi kby United Sts. packet) ......N imerica (by U. Siate packet) ' Australia (via South ampton) ..........M; Ditto (via Marseilles) N Ditto (via Cape of Cloed Hope) ............N &trice (West Coast) .. N Alexandria N Alexandria ..........M Bahamas ...........M Belgium ............N Brazil ..............M Buenos Ayres .. ..M Cape of Good Hope ..N Cape of Good llope ..N Cape de Verds • Ceylon (see India) Ceylon Channel Isles China . Conttantinople ......Lti Constantinople Cont. of Europe M N Egypt (see India) , Farce. ....... M N Gibraltar Greece (see India) Greytown .......... Di liaraburgh ..........N flavannah .... Holland ............ Di Honduras hidiA (viaSoutbampt.)lll India (via Marseilles)hi lonian Isles (see India) Ireland & N Lisbon ...... hi Madeira ............ Madeira ...........N I Malta (see ndia) Malta Mauritius (see India) Mauritius •• •••••• • •N Mexico •••• •••• •.31 Naples.. •••••• • •N New Granada ......N Now Papal states •• •• •.N Peninsula •• .• •• •• •.114 Peru •• •• •• •• •• •• "M Port Natal Sicily .•.. .. •• •.N Tuscany •••• •• •• •• ..N Venezuela .• . • • • • • . •N Van Diemen'sLand (see. Australia) .......... West Indies •• •• •0 •Ibig every Friday .... 4q4 er 6% 4 Eleven tl: ALI Notice] the rate M ENT t(C, 3, 1 Tr t'b G CaB by br Ev eTY Appl y t NIE th e cAri , i at thin 01 r AYAELi of Eleven And the S,ociet S e ° 0 At th e f s oc e2bibited, ( 1 .) Thai the at 3 (2.) 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