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HOUSE. OF COMMONS, JULY 13. The SPEAKER took the Chair at a quarter to 4 o'clock. MISCELLANEOUS. Mr. LocaHART presented a Petition from some Mer chants employed in the Timber!fratic, against the alteration . of Duties nit Timber, a great quantity of capital behig hi vestetl on the faith of the present system, which kept in em- ployment also a great quantity of shipping.—The petition was -ordered lo he printed. The Exchequer Bills Bill, the late King's S.Tvants' Bill. And the London Militia Bill, were severally read a third time and passed. Mr. MABERLY moved for a Return of the net Revenue of the United Kingdom, the (unter ending July 5, distinguish ing the Revenue of Ireland ; also an Account of the Produce , of and charge on the Consolidated Food, and of the means by Avbleb the deficiency, if any, was made . op•--Ordered. Mr. BOSWELL stated, that much hardship bad been en dured by many persons in Scotland, who had been prosecut ed by Revenue Officers for carrying poor pei'sons•fe+r short distances in their carts. The prosecutions had been carried on against thd poor carters for carrying passengers without license. He moved fur a Return Of all Prosecutions against persons for carrying passengers in carts in Scotland, distin guishing whether the prosecutions had bt•eninstituted by the Officers of the Stamp Duties or Assessed Taxes, and whether 'they had been carried on in the Court of Exchequer, or be ,iore the Justice of the. Peace.' • Mr. LUSHINGTON said, he should havelmagined that the - Returns to this inotifin would e nil; but as the Honour able Member knew that such prosecutions had been carried -on, he (Mr. Lusbington) had no objection to the motion. — Ordered. O'n the motion of Dr. LUSHINGTON, the Education En- dnwment Bill was read a second tinie. On the Report of the Sea Offences Bill being brought up, Sic 1. COFFIN said the Bill was tto extend the provisions o Lord Ellenhorough's Act against cutting and maiming to o! fences of thht description committed at sea. He was of opinion an act of this kind stem& have been passed 70 years ago, as it would have prevented a great deal of cruelty in the merchant 'service, where outrages, and he might say, murders merable bad been perpetrated without being foll Owed by pu, Sir J: YORKE denied thAt in general, the men in the mer chant service were not treated with great kindness, and he de ed his Gallant Friend, in his experience, to point out many instances of et uelty. .Sir I. COFFIN said the distance of pessons at sea from con. troul and punishment had art} led Officers to acts of unne cessary cruelty in the King's service, as well as in the met , chants service. His Gallant Friend must have recollect( the seaman who was set on shore on the Island of Sombrero, ancrthe instance of a fine young fellow who had bee' many years in the King's service, WhO haPbeen tied up by a Cap• tain arid flogged, and who, in consequence, jumped into the sea.—He was proceeding to state other cases, when he was interrupted by • The SPEAKER ,who observedtbat it was irregalar to speak -twice on the same- question. After a few words from Mr. Warren, Sir W. Curtis, and Mr. Lockhart, the Report was agreed to. The Education 'Sill was committed, reported, and ordered to be printed. The Turnpike Regulation Bill was reported, and ordered to be printed. Tho Report was ordered to be taken intO further Soonsideration that day three months. The Post Horse Duties Bill was read a third time and rAsed, after several clauses had been added to it by way of riders. DISSENTERS. - Mr. W. SMITH preseited a Petition froth the `Dissenters in and about London. He enlarged .upon the great respectability, the good conduct, 'and loyal principles of this body, hose object it was to obtain relief from the Test and Corpora tion Acts. The Petition was signed' by,a hundred persons ; but those were almost all of , them Mem 'bers of separate congregations, whose united Sense they spoke. Had it been wished that they should trust to numbers, instead of to reasoning; he could as readily have had 100,000, or any greater num ber-of signatures. But the Petitioners relied on the justice of their cause, and thought the first Parliament of a new reign a period peculiarly ap posite for restoring them to the privileges which - they had surrendered for the public weal, when the country was endangered by a disputed Popish succession. All he should now do, how ever, would be to ask, that the Petition should -be received. Lord NUGEtIT seconded the motion, and men tioned that the British Roman Catholic Petition, .containing an important clause, had been intrusted to him, and as circumstances prevented -hiS pre tenting it this Session, he should offer it to the :House at an early period in the next. The Petition was laid on the table, and ordered to be printed. SIR P. MURRAY. Mr. ABERCROMBIE asked Lord A.Tamilton to explain a misrepresentation which had taken place, in consequence of what he said on a former occasion respecting Sir Peter Murray, in opening the question on the Scots Barons of the Exche quer. An erroneous opinion, painful to that Gen tleman's feelings, had gone abroad in -consequence of this misconception. Lord A. HAMILTON, in reply, stated, that he alluded to another quarter, in regard to the poli tical interests in Perthshire, and did not impute *hat had been understood to Sir Peter Murray. tained, , was unconstitutional, and had a tendency, to destroy the right feeling between soldiers and citizens. He spoke of the dangers of a Military Government, and expressed some satisfaction at the return which had been made to his motion for the extra allowances to regiments employed in tumults.. The 9d. per diem, thus distributed at the discretion of the Commanding Officer, was also in his opinion unconstitutional. The House divided--- For the second reading . ... 98 Against it. Majority -59 The Bill was then read, and committed for to morrow. SCOTCH MALT ALLOWANCE BILL On the 'motion for the .re-committal of the Scottish Distillery Bill, Sir J. MARJORIBANKS moved an instruction to the Committee to receive a clause for the re duction. of the duty upon Malt made from Bar ley, as well as upon that made from Bigg or Beer. The SPEAKER thought that this instruction could not be adopted according to order. Here - a short conversation took place, in which Lord A. Hamilton complained of the delay of the Chancellor of The Exchequer in coming to any decision upon thiS subject, notwithStanding re peated applications on the part of the Scottish Maltsters, and also of the Right Honourable Gentleman's measure_ to promote illicit distilla tion in Scotland, and in which the Chancellor of the Exchequer expressed his disposition to inquire into the Honourable Baronet's proposition early in the next Session. The motion was withdrawn, after a few observations from,Messrs. J. P. Grant, Abercrombie, and W. Dundas. The house reiolVed into the Committee. Sir J. MAR.) 0 rtIBANKs (in the Committee) said, that the manner in which the debate upon this question had been hurried on, was most singular, His constituents Wished him to present a .Petition to Parliament, but he 'had dissuaded them from that step, because he .felt assured at that time that the Chancellor of the Exchequer would yield to the .representatiOns which would be Made in that House. The consequence of the Bill would be, that the ScOtch grower would. not sell a single bushel .of twit. ; but the barley would be brought to England and malted, on ac• count of the high duty. He had no doubt ,that the effect of this Measure upon the consumption of malt liquors in Scotland would be similar to what had taken place within his recollection with respect to claret. He remembered the time when claret was 151. a hogshead, and Scotch Men would indulge themselves in that beverage ; but since the price had increased to 451., 901., and .1101., a hogshead, scarcely a drop of claiet was drunk in Scotland. The recollected some lines . of Mr. Home, the author of Douglas, alluding to the good old times--; Flan - 17 and bold the-Caledonian stood; Old Was Lis claret, and his mutton good. Let him drink port,' the English Statesman cried: He drank the poison, and his spirit died." If the poet was mistaken, it was only with re spect to the spirit of the Scotch having died. It had survived through all other changes, and he believed, had given during the late contest as many proofs of its existence, as that of its sister countries.—(Loud laughter from all parts of the House !)—The. several clauses were then agreed to, the House resumed, and the Report was or dered to be received to-morrow. 'VtCTUALLtNG OF TROOPS. Colonel DAviEs moved for copies of all com munications which passed between Mr. Trevor, of the Commissariat Department, and the Trea sury, relative to the victualling Of troops, con victs, and others, in the Colonies. The motion was agreed to, after a few words from the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and Mr. ARBUTHNOT. , - , .B,I.RRACKS. . The CirAg.ctu.o . of the EXOEQUER moved Oe Order of the y ,for the second reading of the Barracks Agreement Bill. Mr. CALCRAFT oppased it, on the same grounds I).s last night. . The CLIANCNLLO.R Of the EXCHEQUER ,went over the same argUnients in reply, insisting on the economy and Parliamentary propriety of the Eroceding. . •.'• Lord NuonNT was on general grounds, agains k a ny nev,r Barracks at all.' The system;he Main DONAGHADEE 'HARBOUR. The Donaghadee Hurbour Bill, after a few observations from Mr. KER, who opposed the measure, and from Mr. A. CHICIIESTER, w ho supported the Bill, was ordered to be read the third time to-morrow. SPIRIT INTERCOURSE. The Report of the Spirit Intercourse Bill was brought upi and the amendments having been agreed to, the Bill was ordered to be read athird time to-morrow. SCOTTISH DISTILLERIES. The Scottish - Distillery Bill was read a third time and passed, after a Clause, proposed by the CHANCELLOR, had been passed through all its stages, and been added to the Bill by way o" rider. IRISH INSOINF.f•IT DEBTORS. The Irish Insolvent Debtors' Bill was read a third time and passed, after some remarks from Mr. C. HUTCHINsON, Mr. GOULBURN, and Mr. SHAW. ARMY PRIZE MONEY. Mr. LUSHI NGT . 014 brought up the Report of the Army Prize Money Bill, which, with the amend ments, was agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. The Bankruptcy Court Bill went through the Committee, and the Report Was ordered to be received to-morrow. The Report of the Committee on the Fisheries Bounty in Great Britain was received, and the resolutions having been agreed t 6, were ordered to be referred to the Committee on the Scottish Fisheries for their consideration. BREACH OF PRIVILF-GE., Mr. R. MARTIN rloved that the Order of the Day for the attendance to-morrow of J. Robe son, and T. P. Glassington, the printer and pub lisher of The Morning Herald, should be dis charged.. The motion was agreed to, and the Order discharged accordingly. 'OUTRAGES BY HUSH REVENUE OFFICERS General HART complained of a certain outrage which had taken place near -Derry, in which three Revenue Officers having met with - a man accused'of smuggling, in a place near a Avail, and at a time when it was understood lie had sur rendered, shot him dead. Such outrages had sometimes been attempted in the county which he represented, and he instanced one in which a Re venue Officer was acquitted once, and his punish ment commuted after conviction on mother occa sion. He hoped that some explanation of those facts would be given. The CHANCELLOR of the ..EXCIIEQVER said, that in the absence'of the Secretary of Ireland, he was ignorant of the circumstances of the case. The Right Hon. Secretary would be present to morrow, and would then give an expianatio.u. --- ' Adjourned. COURT OF COMMON COUNCIL. Yesterday a Court of Common Council was held for the dispatch of various business. The LORD MAYOR took the Chair at twelve o'clock. The Court was very •fully attended. The Mi nutes of the last Court were then read. CONDUCT OF THE LORD MAYOR. Mr. Alderman Warrnmass said, he had a ques tion now to put to his Lordship, of particularly great importance to the rights and privileges of the Citizens of London. It was well known that on a recent occasion there had been a most gross violation a the privileges of the Livery, by the introduction of troops into the vicinity of the City during a time that an Address to her most gracious Majesty Queen Caroline was under dis cussion in Guildhall. That such had been the fact there could be no possible doubt, as one of them was seen at the door of the Common llall while the Livery were so assembled, and he had himself seen one of them in the streets near the Hall. Various statements had appeared in the Newspapers, which, whether correct or not, had stated that his Lordship had avowed that this act was done with his knowledge and with his con sent. He therefore now thus publicly asked ins Lordship, whether such was the fact, and if so, what kind of communication had taken place be tween him and the Secretary of State, and what grounds his Lordship had to justify him in taking such a step ? To these questions he now re quested an answer in presence of the Court. , The Loan MAYOR replied, that it was at his request that Viscount Sidmouth had sent in the troops. He considered himself as charged with a strict attention to the preservation of the public peace of the City, and that charge he was deter mined to execute most faithfully. When he saw the infamous placards which were every where in the City on the subject of the Queen's busi ness, he felt it his bounden duty to have a guard of soldiers in the vicinity of the City to protect his fellow-subjects. Mr. FAVELL said, that at that moment he rose to perform the most painful duty which had ever fallen to his lot—a duty not snore painful to his feelings than distressing in its nature, but the call of his fellow-citizens was imperious, and it was now the most serious duty of that Court to take a solemn and pointed notice of what had taken place. It was one consolation to himself to reflect, that during the whole time his Lord ship had filled that Chair, no personal misunder standing had taken place between them, but that the greatest urbanity had prevailed. No indivi dual would be more happy than himself, and he was sure the whole Court would feel the same delight, to hear his Lordship justify himself. Errors or mistakes ought at all times to be met with indulgence, but when such errors attacked the vitals of the Constitution, the rights of Englishmen, and the privileges of the . City of London, then it would be the height of injustice to overlook them---(Cheers.)---The Corporation of London had two important duties to perform. Every member had to guard his own rights as a member, and he had also to watch over those of his Constituents, remembering that he was sent there to represent and guard such interests. Were then the Livery. of London to be over awed ? This was the sole question before them. He was prepared coolly to say that he never knew a question of such deep importance to' the City as this. Even in the profligate times of Charles the Second, when Jenks ,was sent to pri son, however illegal that act might be, still even there no military force was employed. He well recollected the frequent refusals given by Lord Mayors to hold- Cenimon Halls, and he was proud to say that such examples had not been this year followed, yet still when his Lordship grant ed a Common Hall, when he and his brother Al dermen presided, it was but just to say, that if they were to be overawed by soldiers or by any power, then he would say in the words of that truly lamented enlightened, and admirable statesman, Mr. k ox, Resistance is a matter of expediency."—(Loud Cheers)—Let the Livery be thus overawed, and where was the man who would then dare to bring forward any thing of an obnoxious nature ? The man who would then dare to be honest would be ruined—(Cheers) —He blamed not the military, for a British sol dier was as generous as he was brave. But he lamented the Lord Mayor had neglected to con- Suit his brother magistrates, and had called the troops in'merely from dread. The 'Worthy Mem ber concluded by moving a series of Resolutions. Mr. OLDUAM seconded the Resolutions, and considered, that either his Lordship had taken pernicious advice, or had been actuated by a timidity which was altogether unworthy of a Lord Mayor of. London. His Lordship had said, that he was desirous to prepare against such'coli sequences as had occurred in the Mayoralty of Alderman Wood, from the. Spafields mob. But who were the Livery ? Were they not the con stituents of the Lord Mayor, anct was his Lord ship bold enough to say that a meeting of the Livery was assimilated to a Spafields mob ?--s (Cheers)---This was a gross, aggravation of his Lordship's conduct ; and it would be well, if, in future, he would remember how improper the in terference of the military was, recollecting' that Charles the First had lost his head by "seizing five Members of the House by the aid of the mi litary. An acquaintance of his asked a soldier on the day in question, why he was in the City ? and the dragoon replied, 44 why, I don't know why, but as how there has been a meeting co" City; and now the Council is going home quietly, and so are we." For the truth of this he pledged himself. The Loan MAYOR denied that he had meant to overawe the City, and he again repeated his former explanation. Mr. DIXON said there could be but one opinion as to the merits of the case, and the imprudent step taken by his Lordship. He would not op pose the, motion, but he thought the language might rather be a little softened. , • Mr. T, N. WILLI tms regretted that there was a want of prudence on the part of his Lordship) yet he was surprised the Court should treat it th e in this way. He was sorry to see so f ew at last Common Hall. The late Lord Mayor Was most unpopular, but the PreSent had not folloW ed his example, and yet here was a Resolution condemning the first error his LordShip.had corn mated. It was a most difficult task his Lordshi? had to perform, because it was well .known the Queen herself was Corning to the Hall, and What might have been the Consequence ?,. Her Majesty, too, was coming under the guidance of an heroin Alderman, who, whatever his opinions might novi be, had not - acted firmly an the memorable 2d or December, as he seemed 'with agitated, and going.. about crying, "what shall I do?" He hoped the esolutions would be withdrawn. Mr. JAMES observed, that there could 'be but one opinion on the subject, and the .Resolution s, he thought, deserved the warm support of the Court. It was utterly impossible that such all act as this could pass over without any notice. Mr. Alderman WArrnmks regretted that the explanation of the Lord Mayor had been so 1.14' satisfactory. The greatest jealousy had evtlf existed in the city on the subject of military ill' terference ; and such being the case, his Lord' ship ought to have sworn in Special Constables/ if any, danger was apprehended. He never knoir any military force being,formerly called in while the Livery were diScussing their rightS. 'The peace of the city was to be protected, but cei" tainly not by dragoons. Who could tell whethe r there might not be a dragoon this moment in tb e vicinity of the Hall ? and who could say Whethe r even the Corporation might not be overawed In future by a military, forces? What, he woull ask, was the city of London, was the city Westminster, and the county of Middlesex, 5 " totally destitute of loyalty that they could oa t meet on the discussion of - a question relative t", an address to Royalty without being overawe" by soldiers ? It, was disgraceful to the c h a racte r , of the Livery to haVe it for a moment supp ose,' that the attendance of soldiers was requisitcto. protect them .in the discharge of their dutie s ' Yet the question was not one of a local natur e / involving . , as it did, the rights of the English :ST' tion,- and consequently the principles of the '131.:. ,: tish Constitution. Permit such a practice as t ll ' to pass* with impunity, and the rights of the su' ject might safely be invaded by' any intruder, Englishmen were therefore called on imPerioti sl i t to resist' every attempt at such invasion, and W it , this view he certainly should most cord iall y sq ; port the Resolutions, having no doubt th" i would be - carried unanimously. Mr. Jvrr also supported the Resolutions, 64 he thought them extremely moderate, and no proper motives attributed to his Lordship, whom no man 'could feel a higher respect tha he. - did. Mr. GRIFFITIIS and Mr. QROOKalso suppotte , the Resolu AME tions. Mr. Ji WILLIAms trusted that the o=l/, pie held out by his Lordship would never be 1° lowed on any future occasion. He sincerely r e ; spected his Lordship, but private feelings 11° , 0 give way to public duty. The very circurnst3%, of the military being called in, was a disgrac e Q t the city, and a strong reflection on the cfiarac:i e of the City Police, as it excited, or might exq o t a suspicion, that they were totally inefficien l . o the purpose of protecting public tranquil-e'; He lamented mach that there had recently 1-leec so great a feeling between the 'Mansion-h°,,,',1 Guildhall, and the other end of the town, %, that rriilitary should be so often used. The 1 3 , 1 . 1 e , 5 , lic had had wa most dreadful example at Mall' Ph t o ter, and surely what occurred there o 3 ug o . o . have taught the Lord 'MayOr, and other , trates, to be very cautious how they acted future. . , Mr. CLARKE supported the Resolutions. OA , Mr. Alderman Wow), in a long speech,rve. sued most strongly the conduct of Mr. 'illif Williams, Who always took the advantage °;1061 absence to vilify him. In allusion to whaf,'",l3) fallen from the Lord Mayor, as to th e Spa': lie riot, , he would remind his Lordship, tl3°i"tlie (Bridges) was Sheriff then, and of course lia'ies, command of all the peace officers . and . cou stgv td d He ought then toltave acted efficiently, in' tlle of . witich, the mob were allowed to come it'L°to? City without a single soul following ° - them. e too The LORD MAYOR replied, that 'the d ej r , of the City. was-the duty of the Chief Maaiis.tacile Ali sex Alderman Woon---The Sheriff of ' sex is also the Sheriff of London. ' la tlj e ; A warm discussion as to the point of ark's' y A la took place, but subsided on the Lord threatening to quit he Pi' 1 0 'The ltesolntions• t were then put, and - mously agreed to. j r ANSWER OF THE QUEER. The LoO - Al_on. Ay reported the All so, e llt' il ' io -111°..litecl aer Majesty to the Address of the Coln which was read, and ordered to, be the Journals. 0 1' COMMON HALLS. ml Mr. OLDHAM, after some observatio ns , -. 11 ) : # 0 decision of the King's Bench in-the ori,rv ir ' / :itlil i ', , ,‘ secution instituted against Aldermin_ v'rio,ti' and others, and also on the -propriety c'' r et c t ; frequent Common Halls, moved that it b e ,i o ; l l",f red to the Committee on the said proseu;e'i inquire into the Act of 169 s,relative to t' ( 1j ° 111 :)t of, the Lord Mayor 6 call Common nails ., „ e cli e o and dissolve them - , and whether it Was nails. for the Court to pass any Act or Acts to t ; e ( 4'4 the Livery their undoubted right to on' e ,i i e r te s e mon Hall for the purpose of p-etitioniug ',, 01 0 t o or the Parliament or to deliberate on ° ) ltt° OP of public griev:mC..-e and the said Co itV , .-0 o il report accordingly. After a feW words from Mr. Alderr3ffivon ° tin man, Messrs. T.- Williams, :lames' -I ": r eey e others, the motion was unanimonslY . t te e• and referred accordingly to the Coll- al. te Court adjourned at five o'clock. so . Of LONDON: Printed Ity 8. CARSTAISS• ; e lr, 4 ' Ormond-street, Qnen-square; and pnt,ll4'l2t Letters, SCRIPPS, of No, 7, south molton-strytt. "no, Office, No. 112. strand ; where AdreiisA64 &c. (P°llt"Paid) must be aldrcsic-, .4' 4 '1