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and 4 . 1 :,. . , ......... i , . 0,-. ~ -....._... ov 4.trooJyta ..r - k NCO, / E '.~:: stet, SUN. their e fef . Lged, ,ord •bill, •••••• r•-• PRICE SE VENPENCE )DS• NUMBI:R 9828. SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 21, 1824. SEAMEN'S -HOSPITAL SOCIETY. "THE , THIRD . ANNIVERSARY, DIN-• NER wilt he held at the LONDON TAVERN, on THURSDAY, the eath of February, 1844, The Right Hon. Lord Viscount MELVILLE, in the Chair. of it in return for the coarse woollens which they exported to that country. The tax on imported wool had compelled them to relinquish the Italian market; and the consequence was, that the Italian states had prohibited our woollen goods. At Trieste we had tdso been driven out of the German market ; for the coarse wool which we had formerly taken from the dealers of Dalmatia, and Turkey, was now put,into the hands of German manufac turers, and so worked up for, the continental market. The Hon. Member then proceeded to argue, that the interest of the coun try required that our woollen goods should be left as free from taxation as possible. The United States of Americi, when they first asserted their freedom, contained 2,000,000 of inhabitants; at present they contained about 10,000,000. Now, these States would purchase woollen cloths of us if they could get them at a low rate ; but could not, if they were obliged to buy them at a highpte. The same was the case with ,the people of South America. In a few years we should have in those coun tries a population of 60,000,000, eager to purchase our wool lens, if we could afford to sell them at a moderate price, and in capable of taking . them; if we demanded for them a bigh price. He therefore conjured the Ministers, as they valueTthe staple trade of the country, to take off this tax, or else to be prepared for the rest of the world combining together for its utter de struction. If some tax of this nature were - necessary to the protection of the agricultural interest, he had no objection to give it them ; for he was sure that some other tax might easily be devised, which would be beneficial to them without being injurious to the rest of the community. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON deprecated the impolicy of putting a high duty upon a low article, and attributed the pre sent depressed state of the woollen manufacturers entirely to the operation of this oppressive tax. He therefore trust ed that it would be taken off in the course of the Session, as also the duty upon raw silk, which he considered quite as EAST INDIA HOUSEodanuary 48, 1844. 1 1 HE COURT of DIRECTORS of the L. UNITED COMPANY of MER.CHANTS of ENG ° D TRADING to the EAST INDIES, do hereby give Notice, That the TRANSFER BOOKS , of the said COMPANY'S ' ST OCK will be Stun on THURSDAY the 4th' of March tl o' e Xt, at Three Clock, and OPENED again on THURS DAY, the 15th April following. That a QUARTERLY GENERAL COURT of the said eo,l lpany will he held at their House in Leadenball-Street, " WEDNESDAY, the 24th March next, at Eleven o'Clock Thomas Maude, Esq. Captain Henry Brown Mason, R.N. John Petty Muspratt, Esq. Capt. 3. A. Onimanney, R.N. Henry Pownall, Esq. James Randell, Esq. Captain 'Poker, R.N. Charles l'elibutt, Esq. , Thomas Urquhart, Esq. Capt. Geo. Weltden, H.O S. STEWARDS. The Right Hon. Lord Vis . count Torrington Captain Sir Christopher Cole, K,C.B. M.P. Sir Robert T. Farquhar, Bart. .Abel Smith, Esq. M.P. Henry M. Bagster, Esq. Christopher Dowson, Esq. Anthony Haviside, Esq. Capt. Thos. Larkins, H.C.S. Archibald Little, Esq Captain John Locke, H.C.S. Dinner to he on table a 'rickets, Li each, to he had vern • and of Mr. Richard 19. iishopsgate-strect- within. red.- .day".paw, 14 the Forenoon. • Tiltt a GENERAL COURT of the said Company will be : h eld at their House in Leadenhall - stre et, on WEDNESDAY, „The 1 4th April next, from Nine o'Clock i n the Morning until 14 'in the Evening, for the ELECTION of SIX DIREC. ' T ORS of the said Company for Four Years. And, That th e LIST of the MEMBERS of t h e said COM 4, ANY will be ready to he delivered at this House on Mon dety, the 29th March next. JOSEPH DART, Secretary. rfr it Six o'Clock presisely. at the Bar of the London Ta- Arley, Secretary, at the Office, !cote New TO BE LET for the SEASON, 12 or 18 MONTHS, in the Best. Part of PALL _MALL, Back Booms overlooking the Gardens of Carlton Palace, a very complete and Elegantly FURNISHED HOUSE, con taining every requisite for immediate occupation, and much greater accommodation than is usually fOund in Homes of the same description. For 'Particulars, .and Cards to view, apply to Simpson and Co., Upholsterers, Argyll-place . . rth ark; Cliff- Ved 4rn., A.T a PRELIMINARY MEETING or NOBLEMEN and GENTLEMEN, held at the CIT Y of LONDON TAVERN, on THURSDAY, the 12th °I F ebruary, 1824, THOMAS WILSON. Esq. M.P. in the Chair; Ilesolved Unanimously, That this Meeting, taking into con sideration th e frequent loss of human life by shi p wreck, and b ellevi l'g, that by the preconcerted. exer tions of practical men, ~e adoption of practicable mea n s , such calamities might °ft, l , r 7:e averted, are of opinion that a NATIONAL INSTI :'I°N should be formed , ( to be su pp orted by voluntary Donations and Subscriptions), for the Preservation of Life in tie° °f SHIPWRECK on the Coasts of the United King gnril ; for affording such immediate assistance to the persons rescued as their necessities may require; for conferring re varda on those who preserve their fellow creatures from destruc tion ; and for granting relief to the destitute families of any Iho may unfortunately perish in attempts to save the lives of others. Resolved Unanimously, that with a view to the F ormatio n or such an Institution, a GENERAL MEETING of the u 'nbilith Gentry, Merchants, Traders, and others, he con vened fo r THURSDAY, the 4th of March, at the CITY of LONDON TAVERN, at Twelve for One o'Clock precisely, or such other day as may be found more convenient. Resolved Unanimously, That the following be a Provi sional Committee in the interim, with power to add to their number : Henry Baring, Esq. M.P. I John Clark Powell, E s q. Lord Amelius Beauclerk Johnord Suffield f P e n i r df . i ner, Esq Joseph Pulley, Esq. • Henry Blanchard, Esq. „416440 ,1 0 h / oy D ill e ia a m ns B D u u c , k id l a e, s, E ß.N sq. am Ben - in' Shaw, Esq. Samuel Gurney, Exc l . •Ch j ristopher,Tennant, Esq L George Hibbert, Esq. Joshua Walker, Esq. M.P. - Samuel Hoare, Esq. Joshua Watson, Esq. George Lyall, Esq. Rev. H. H. Norris I Thomas Wilson, Esq. M.P. Resolved Unanimously, That these resolutions be signe d by the Chairman, and advertised in the London Papers. THOMAS WILSON, Chairman. Mr. Wilson having left the Chair, it was resolved unani mously, That the best Thanks of this Meeting be given to Tho ma s Wilson, Esq. for his able conduct in the Chair, and fo r his seal in the support of the objects in contemplation. N. 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COUNTRY DEALERS SUPPLIED. to CloOds packed free of expence, except the materials, and sent Parts of Great Britain, and to the East and West In. tains fitted out, and merchants supplied with Ca t Goods for Expo r t at i on . •6 Apartments Furnished at a few hours' notice, and -4 aouses two or four days. PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, FEU. O. Mr. PARYBOUSE presented the 20th Report of the Carnatic Commissioners.—Laid on the Table. The Lombard-street House Bill went through a Committee, and was reported. GAME LAWS. Lord SUFFIELD, after alluding to what had fallen from a Noble Earl yesterday, wished to remind their Lordships that they had before them the ,Report of the evidence taken by a Committee of the other llouse last year on the subject of - the Game Laws. When the Bill now in progress through the other branch of the Legislature should, as he cordially hoped, find its way so their Lordships, they might refer to that evidence to form their opinion upon the subject. Should it not be deemed sufficient, he trusted that some Noble Lord would move for a Committee to examine evidence; but if after he had given this notice no such Committee was moved for, he also trusted that it would not be brought forward as an objection to the Bill that sufficient evidence had not been produced. With respect to the measure, it had his entire approbation, and if every he,ld of game were to be swept off from the earth, the Noble Lol.d was understood to say, he should support it, so great did he conceive the evil of the Game Laws to be, and the necessity of its being remedied.--Adjourned till Monday. HOUSE OF COMMON S. - - - Sir JOHN NEWPORT presented two petitions, praying for a reduction of the Duty on Leather, the one from Drogheda, and the other from Clonmel. Sir W. GUISE brought in a Bill for establishing a New Theatre at Cheltenham, which was read a first time. COAL DITTIES. Petitions praying for the repeal of these duties were presented front the following places :—from the village of Abridge, in Essex, by Sir E. HARNEY; from the town of Greenwich, by sir E. RNATCHBULL ; from the town of Hertford, by Mr. NICHOLSON CALVERT ; from the ward of Bishopsgate, by Mr. Alderman WOOD; from the town of Newport, in Corn wall, by Mr. RAYNE ; from the parish of Bermondsey, by Mr. H. SUMNER; from Exeter, by Mr. COURTENAY from Norwich, by Mr. WM. SMITH ; from the ward of Cornhill, by Mr. NV. WILLIAMS; and from six parishes in Devon shire, by Sir T. ACT.AND. LICENSING DUTIES. Petitions were presented against these duties from the Inn keepers of the following places :—of Winchester, by Sir E. H. EAST ; of a town in Scotland, by Mr. KENNEDY ; of St. Luke's, Chelsea, Mr. BYNG ;of Peterborough, by Mr, SCARLETT ; and of Huntingdon, by Lord ANCRAM. DUTY . ON WOOL, Mr. T. WILSON presented a petition from the merchants, factors, and traders of London, against the tax on the importa tion of foreign wool. Mr. ROBERTSON observed, that if the landed gentlemen rightly understood their own interests, they would not permit this tax to remain any longer in existence. Commerce and agriculture were now so intimately , united, that any measure which was injurious to the one, necessarily proved in the long run injurious to the other. Now there could be no doubt that 'this tax had been very detrimental to the woollen-ma nufacturers of the country; for the returns for the last year showed thafthe quantity of woollens exported had fallen more than a quarter. Indeed, it had occasioned them to lose the trade of the greater part of the continent. In Italy there was much coarse wool grown. Our manufacturers, before the im position of this tax, were accustomed to take nearly the whole impolitic. Mr. Alderman WOOD contended, that the Chancellor of the Exchequer would greatly mistake the interests of the coun try if he permitted this tax to continue a year longer. Sir JOHN WROTTESLEY called the attention of the House to the circumstances under which this tax had been im posed. They would all recoiled that in the yeat 1819, when the country was in a state of profound peace, and also in daily ex pectation of a considerable remission of' taxation, 3,000,0001. of new taxes were unexpectedly imposed upon.it. Of this sum, part was raised by the imposition of a duty of la.' 6d. • a bushel on malt ; and as that tax was thought to be detrimental to the agriculturists, it was thought proper to give them as a coun terpoise to it, a protecting duty against the importation of fo reign wool. Now a considerable portion of the malt duty had already been taken off; and if the Hon. Member for the City would assist him.in taking off the remaining sixpence, he would in his turn assist the Honourable Member to get rid of this tax on wool.—The Petition was read, and ordered to he printed. COURTS OF JUSTICE IN IRELAND. Sir JOHN NEWPORT having understood that the in quiry into the state of the Courts of Justice in Ireland was at an end, begged to ask the Right Honourable Gentleman op posite (Mr. Peel) whether he was rightly informed as to that fact ? He also wished to know what steps had been taken, so far, for carrying the recommendations of the Commissioners into execution ? Mr. PEEL said, that the inquiry had been a very valuable one ; but its labours certainly were at an end. The Commis sion had c l ose d an theist of the present month. He under stood that cons id era ble progress in all the Courts had been made towards carrying the recommendations of the Commissioners into effect. As regarded the Fees of the Court of Cancery, all the substantial part of the work was done; and active mea sures were taking both in the Court of King's Bench and the Court of Common Pleas. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.—ARIWY. ESTIMATES. The Hou - se having resolved .itself into a CoMmittee of Supply, Lord PALMERSTON rose to bring forward the Army Estimates for the year. The printed.Astimates, as they ap peared before the Houie, contained apOposed increasp in our military force of six new regiments, upon the existing .esta blishment, besides 200 men added to each of the three veteran battalions —forming a n increased force of 4,500 troops,' and nn charge 6f 158,0001- ; b u t s i nce th ose E s t i m a tes had certain facts had come to hi s ( t h e N o bl e L or d' s ) knoWledge , which ena bled him to deduct 55,000/. from the i b n e c e r n e a r s i d n e c d h , a c r money vote, and so limit the increased expence to 103,4641. The addition contemplated to our lard forces would be ac counted for in a few words. It did not arise out of any a pprehension • that the pea ce of Europe would be disturb ed, or any alarm for the continued tranquillity (internally) o f }lnland ; but it aros e " out of a view of the present state of our West India Colonies and the condition of those Colonies he thought too m iport ant to be discussed as a collateral question. Every attention, had been paid to economy in the arrangement of the proposed increase. The officers of the six new regiments were to be all taken from half-pay; nor were there to be any promotion s from regiments already exist ing, although Government !tad made that regulation with much unwillingness. Our regular land force, then, he would con sider as to be increased by an addition of 3,800 men. The in crease of charge, in the first inst a n ce , would stand at 172,0001.; a gainst which was to be s e t a saving (by taking officers from half-pay). of .18,000/. Of this expence, about 139,000/. or 140,0001. was the cost of the new regiments; and the rest was for ree'iments which - had last 'y ear b een c h arge d u p on t h e E a st ,India Company, but which, having since arrived in England, came upon the Government establishment. Upon the item of Staff (exclusive of India) an increase would appear of 5,000/. This arose from the appointment of an additional general offi cer in Ireland ; and from certain expences being now included, cn the estimate for " Staff," which had formerly been carried ,to other accounts. In the public departments there was a di-. minution of 8,8001. In the•medicines, a diminution of 584/. In the.volunteer corps, a trifling diminution. The third class of estimates, taken upon the printed paper, would be found to afford' a diminution of 29,0001., to which he meant to add a farther abatement of 5 5,0001., making upon the whole an abate ment of. 84,000/. On the. Royal Military College charge, there was a diminution of 165/. On the General Officers' pay, a diminution of 13,6001. ; and he meant farther to abate 5,000/. upon this item, with a view to casual reduction which might be expected to take place. The garrisons at home and abroad were nearly the same as in the last year—a small diminution of 190/. A diminution of 1,000/. would be found against the full pay of retired officers ; but since the estimate had been printed he bad found he could lessen that • charge 10,0001. more. The half-pay and military allowances, an abatement of 17,0001. in the 'estimate; to which he should add an abatement of 40,000/. ; making 57,000/. altogether. On the foreign half pay, a diminution of 2,000/. In pensioners of Chelsea and Kilmainham Hospitals, nearly the same as last year. Out pensioners, a diminution of 5,000/. ; which seemed little; but expence had been produced by the arrival of some regiments from India. In the Military Asylum there was an abatement of 2,2001. - On the Widows' Pensions, an increase of 3,6001: the House would be aware that widows of half-pay officers were entitled to pensions as well as the widows of those on full pay. On the Compassionate List, from fresh cases, an increase of 8,5001. Superannuation allowances, an increase of 3,683/. partly occasioned by the transfer of charges to this item from other accounts. The Exchequer Fees, which was the last article in the third class of estimates, remained at the same sum, within a trifle as last year; and, on the Veteran Batta lions in Ireland (which formed the fourth class), there was an increase of 19,000/. The state of the account, therefore, taken altogether, would shortly come to this—increased number of men, 4,560; increased charge (in gross) 158,000/. From this amount, however, • there was to be deducted, first, the 55,0001. which he had mentioned, reducing the sum to 103,0001. ; and next, a sum (in the way of balance) tohe set off, of 60,0001„ which was paid by the East India Company for the half pay and pensions of troops employed in their territories, but which being, (wider act of Parliament) paid into the Exchequer .went to the account of the Ways and Means. . This sum of 60 , 0001., to which the army estimate was entitled, reduced the year's increase (with 4,500 men additional) from 103,000/. to 43,000/.; and lie should conclude, therefore, by moving, as his first re solution before the House, " that a force of not exceeding 73,341 regular troops, and 3,354 men in Veteran Battalions in Ireland, should be granted, exclusive of forces in India, for the service of the succeeding year... , Mr. HUME was not of opinion that the Noble Lord's ex position had satisfactorily accounted, or laid a foundation, for the increase Ire meditated. He had heard nothing ;from the Noble Lord to induce him, as regarded his own vote, to sup port a standing army of 73,000 men. It had only been peculiar circumstances which had led the House to sanction The conti nuance of our existing,establishment last year; and he had looked with confidence to a reduction of 5,000 men, or .6,000, rather than an increase in the present y ear . An addition to the nay); hid already this - session been granted ; and the pro.. posal of the Noble Lord, if the House would listen to it, gave us no fewer than 233,000 men in arms. Now, to what purpose —for what end—was this immense establishment, in time of peace, to be maintained ? On the Continent, the King's speech assured us, there was every appearance of . continued peace. Ireland? -We had troops enough in Ireland already, and too many, for they did mischief. But it was said that we wanted men in the West Indies. How many ? say, forurgu merit's sake, 3,000 or 4,000. And was our,. existing establish. ment so low, that we could not afford such a force without au,- menting it ? But he was out of patience to hear always the old remedy—sending our troops to the West India Islands ! Ministers ought to have spoken out before this period of the session, and to have said what eventually was to be done as to thole Islands. Ministers ought to speak out, he repeated, be fore they alienated the minds of-tie eelonists. They , ought to say at once, " We mean to liberate the slaves," or 4 , We do not mean to liberate them ;" and not give opportunities to de signing individuals, as he heard that such existed, .to put. the properties, and even the lives, of the white inhabitants in s jeo pardy. The Hon. Member then complained of the imperfect state of the estimate laid before the House, Hon. Members 'might as well have no estimate before them at all, as one in which the Noble Lord was to ms'ae such alterations. The Honourable Gentleman concluded by moving the following resolution : " That as Isis Majesty was graciously pleased in his speech from the Throne, to inform the House that, at no former pe:. riod has there prevailed throughout all classes of the commu nity in this Island a more cheerful spirit of order, or a more just sense of the advantages which under the blessing of Pro vidence they enjoy. " In Irelasni, which has for some time past been the sub ject of his Majesty's particular solicitude, there are many indi cations of amendment, and his Majesty relies upon your conti nued endeavours to secure the welfare and happiness of that part of the United Kingdom. .1 " ' His Majesty has commanded us, further, to inform you, that he has every reason to believe that the progress of our in ternal prosperity and improvement will not be disturbed by any interruption of tranquillity abroad. " His Majesty continues to receive from the Powers, his Allies, and generally from all Princes and States, assurances of their earnest desire to maintain and cultivate the relations of friendship with his Majesty.' " This Committee cannot, therefore, agree to any increase of • the number of the army since last year, hut are of opinion that a standing army of 63,000 regulars, exclusive of 19,000 of ar tillery', veterans, and ,marines, now embodied, and a large force of militia and volunteers ready on any emergency to be embo died, are sufficient, under all the circumstances of the country, to be kept up." Mr. BROGDEN said, the usual course was to move either a reduction of the number of men, or the amount of the ex pence. Mr. HUME wished the words of his resolution to be re tained ; he would therefore propose -it is as an amendment on the original resolution. The question was accordingly so put. Mr. GORDON said, die Noble Lord (Palmerston) had given as the principal reason for an increased force the state of the Colonies; and though he (Mr. Gordon) was not desirious' to be numbered in that unhappy class of persons called West India Proprietors, whom it was the custom at present for every body to abuse, yet as lie had some West India pro perty he was anxious to express• his opinion on the subject.— It appeared that 2,500 men had already been sent to the West Indies, in anticipation of the vote of this evening, though. the Noble Lord had with great prudence abstained from the dis cussion of the delicate topics connected with that subject; he (Mr. Gordon) heartily wished the Hon. Member for Aber deen had followed that example : but it appeared to be his wish to introduce A debate on West India interest, which every other person deemed desirable to be avoided. The Hon. Member wished his Majesty's Ministers to speak out on the subject ; whilst he (Mr. Gordon), on thg c ontrary, would wish them not to speak at all, hut remain quiet, when he trusted that all would end in peace and tranquillity. He wished the House to be convinced that it was not alone on, the ground of the West. India Colonies .that the increase of force was necessary, for last year, from the state orihb 'contirienrotEtrisnaes-anersy. one agreed in the necessity of a large force ; and he could not see any thing, either looking to Greece or Spain, from which it could be argued that there was not now as great a chance of this country being involved in war as there was at that time. Sir WTI. Y DE CRESPIGN. in a few words, recommend ed moderation on the subject of the West India Colonies.' General GASCOYNE said, that when he considered the ad dition of Colonial territory acquired by this country since the peace, he was more than ever convinced that the army had been e . ha lir r h e e m n s h in e e m d e a n b t l i o o a n d ed lB th , at 2o, there and were m 24 much reduced. d years , without being relieved, th e H ouse wou ld h e ' co nvinced of the necessity of some course being adopted for the attain ment'of that object. The Hon. M em b er h ere rea d, f rom a re turn, the number of years which several regiments had been , serving in the East Indies ; and asked, if it could be borne that these meritorious men should be banished from their native country for a longer period of time than that which was inflicted as a punishment on felons ? It was not, then, for the West In dies alone that an increase of force was necessary, but on ac count of our other extensive colonies, in justice to which, as well as to the soldiers to whom we were so much indebted, it was proper that the force should be augthented. The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hume) said, that if Ireland were ' tranquil lized, there would be no necessity for the increase ; but had there been any mode suggested for obtaining that desirable end, or was it likely soon to occur, and were the exigencies of the 'West Indies to wait till Ireland should be settled ? As I to the militia and yeomanry, the Hon. Member should recollect, that the services of that description of force was not usually called for, without there was an actual danger of invasion. On the whole, he considered the increase was necessary ; and he rejoiced that his Majesty's Ministers had come to the same conclusion. Mr. WODEHOUSE hoped, that whenever 'the subject of the West Indies came before. the House, it would be temper ately discussed. On the subject of the force serving in the West Indies, there was in one regiment stationed at Barbadocs a re turn of deaths of 20 officers and 500 men. This regiment was sent out, not as a. relief, but as s reinforcement, and they were forced out by the cry for reduction at home at an unhealthy pe riod; and to that circumstance alone was the great mortality to be attributed. He would ask, therefore, if these were not cir cumstances worthy of the consideration of the House ? The ac curacy of his statement he could vouch for ; as he had received the communication from a gallant officer, some time since a Member of that House (Sir Herbert Taylor.) The Hon. Mem, ber for Aberdeen spoke of the gentlemen who sat on his (Mr. Woclehouse's) side of the House, as if they never thought for themselves ; but, according to his expression, " Follow my leader" was the order of the day. He (Mr. Wodehouse) did certainly, in common with others, support his Majesty's Government against the reduction which took place some time since; and he still retained the opinion which he then entertained, that the reductions in the naval and military establishments had been carried too far. He knew that a great deal of constitutional reasoning might always be brought, forward on the subject of a standing . army, but the House would not be led away by it from judging of the neces sity arising from change of circumstances and the varia tions of society. If the Honourable Member for Aberdeen would tread that path, let him place himself under proper guidance. A Noble Baron in another place did not consider the military force of the country as any ground of danger; and in following his opinion, the Hon Member for Aberdeen need not fear the constitution or liberty of the country would be overwhelmed. Mr. BERNAL said, that when troops.were sent to the West Indies, particularly to Jamaica, it did happen, he knew not how, that they were not put into those quarters where they could be seasoned to die climate, but were generally quartered near Port Royal, or Kingston, instead of being sent into the healthy climate of the country. Besides this inattention to the quartering, the troops were frequently sent out at an improper season of the year. With respect to reliefs, he agreed with much of what had been stated by his Hon. Frien (General Gascoyne). There was a system of favouritism extending to certain regiments, called " crack" regiments ; and till that was demolished, there never could be a perfect system of reliefs.— He believed that his Royal Highness the Commander-in- Chief was doing his endeavours to put an end to it, so that every regiment in the service would now have to take its turn of duty. He agreed with much that had fallen from his Hon. Friend the Member for Aberdeen ; but though he was in the habit of opposing many of the measures of Ministers, he should, not oppose the present vote, lest it should embarrass those arrangements which circumstances had rendered neces sary. He did not mean to say a word on the subject 'of the West Indies, though undoubtedly the time would come when silence would be criminal. Mr. HOBHOUSE said he felt it necessary to apologize for offering himself to the House on the present occasion, as he was afaitaiii sentiments were So extraordinarya that they were not only unlikely to fled much-sympathy in that House, but, he was sorry to say, even • in the country•at • large.---(A laugh.)- . But'he thought it theduty of Members of that House, when there was a want of popular feeling; or an excess of it, to lead the public mind ; and it became every public man to tell the , people what was the difference between himself and his cOreetie tuents He, perhaps, should„nothave spoken on this occasion, were it not that it might appear there was some difference Iwo tween his present sentiments, and those expressed by him list • Session. He had before said, and he could not too often tee peat it, that our position was not such as became - this - mighty nation ; we might have given the law to all Europe, instead ere truckling to others. He confessed himself an advocate for ware if the aaheression on Spain could not have been prevented with- out it ; but as we had not had the honour of standing in that attitude, we ought not now to be called upon. to pay foie - atr, army which was kept up, not to terrify or annoy tyrants abrodefc hut to keep down the people at home. He (Mr. Hobhouee) reading 'history, as he thought every Englishman used to read it, found stone the experience of .all ages, that standing armies had always been employed for • the purpose' of iye rants. How changed must be the sentiments, when Eng lishmen can come to the conclusion that augmentations to the standing army are mere matters of course, and the. only discussion arising out of it are questions of bow the troops are to be employed, whilst the great constitutional quest tion that in time of peace we are to maintain a great standing army is passed bye without observation. The Noble Lord (Palmerston) now came to ask for an increase of 4,000 men, es if that were a mere. trifle; but did he remember that period when the greatest change took place in the politics of Europe, and yet only half that number was added to' our force? In 1792 and 1793, the Noble Lord was aware of the great change which took place in the prospects of the then cabinet; anti though, in 1791, Mr. Pitt had almost guaranteed the continu ance of peace, yet it was then thought necessary to increase our military establishment, and 2,000 men was all the addition: yet the Noble Lord, at this time, when by the King's Speech we were told there never was a time when there was so little apprehen sion for the continuance of peace, and the Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs had stated that for all that he saw there was nb danger to be apprehended from foreign aggression—yet atlbles time the Noble Lord comes forward and demands an increase of 4,000 men, because there are disturbances in the Colonies. For England and Ireland we had a force of 42,000 men ; end if it were necessary to send additional troops to the West Indies, it seethed to him that they could be spared from that number. In 1810, though we had 26,000, men on the elite blishment, yet 18,000 only were actually in service ; anti then we had the manufacturing districte in such a state that it con hi hardly be said that a civil war would not break out within twelve months ; and yet 18,000 were thought sufficient for the protection of the country ; and now, when, from his ?Majesty's speech, there never was so little danger of peace being disturbed, 20,000 are thought necessary. The standing army in the reign of Charles 11. was proposed to amount to 6,000 men, and yet the pensioned Parliament of thaf arbitrary Monarch—that Parliament whose subserviency had branded. it with infamy to all future times —was not base enough to permit the existence of such a force. From the first time that he had opened his mouth in that House, he had always expressed. his opinion, that it was necessary to keep a jealous and vigilant guard against the attempts which were Constantly making to increase the standing military force of the country ; and to this latest hour of his life he should continue to expretss the same opinion. It Must be obvious to every man who would take the trouble to examine it, that nothing could be more dangerous than the success of such attempts ; the history of every country in which they had been effected, proved that their natural tendency was the subversion (4' constitutions ; and he had no doobt, that if it was not checked, it would also overturn the Constitution of England. The Noble Lord'had not given the House any sufficient reason for the augmentation of the forces which he had proposed. It was not pretended to be necessary for'the augmentation of tranquillity. Why, then, were 20,000 men wanted ? Why was a greater force necessary at this period of profound repose than the usurper Cromwell 'heel kept • op for the purpose of maintaining by the sword'that rule Whichtehad obtained by .the sward ? - He did not mean to deny that some force was always neceSseiry froni which - the reinforcements required for the service of die colonies should he drawn ; but it did not follow that such, force might not be li tufted. If in . the year 1818, 18,000 men were found stifficient e why was it proposed now to increase thetas ? Looking as he did with anxiety and jealousy at all attempts like this, he could not help regretting that he had not the valuable assistance of some of his own friends, as well as of other Honourable Mem bers, who usually expressed themselves unfavourably to Sitelt augmentationa as that which he Was now opposing. The lion. Member for Norfolk (Mr. Wodehouse), who was one cif,that class of pee Sons commonly most zealous to aid such opposi tions—he meant the country gentlemen—and who, if they.w.e.re not induced by . a wiser and more extensive view of the dangers with which a standing militery force was fraught, had in gene ral at least a strong instinct which prompted them.to theprotec tiori of their own•ihterests from the mischievous consequence of such a force—even that Hon. Member was found to adVocate the proposed addition to the standing army. It was alleged that the state of Ireland rendered a large military force always necessary he called upon the House to consider that it behoved them to show 'by their - vote of this night how, much they thought it necessary that change should be made iii the system which had been acted upon towards - that: unfortunate country. He wished most heartily that the Government, instead of always attempting to put &dim the prevailing discontents there by' force, would attempt to remove the causes of those discontents. He wished that Ireland should no longer be governed like a conquered country, not the English inhabitants of it taughtto consider themselves as colonists, who could only hold poste's sion of it by means of an extensive faction, and by the main tenance of an armed force. It was proposed to send a.foreeof 30,000 men to Ireland; this, together with the yeomanry; and the police there, to say nothing of the militia, would make an armed power of 50,000, which could - always be made effective, and by ,which simple engine of 'state we thought to justify all the wrongs with which we had so long afflicted that unhappy country. Instead of pursuing this intention, he shoUld recoin 'Mend such a change of the means by. which that country *as governed, as would enable unto employ a diminution of force. The principles which had hitherto been acted upon had all failed, but lie was convinced-that a different fate would attend different principles. If the Government, instead of force, would try the efficacy of persuasion —instead` of the,SyStem of restriction, : would adopt that of a liberal and impartial dis pensation of public favours; he had a perfect conviction that they would do more towards restoring content and tranquillity to the people of Ireland than they could ever hope to do even by the force they now proposed to send thither. He regretted to find that the people of England were not sufficiently ,jealous of the increase of the military strength. Formerly, one spirit pervaded the whole nation on this subject, and there was no man who did not loudly express his detestation of a standing army. Among. the. Honourable, Member's own. constituents, who, he would take the liberty of saying, were as feelingly alive to the preservation of the Constitution as any part of the community, some .alarin was at this moment entertained, with respect to the project of making barracks in the very heart of Westminster.. it was said that in that spot which had formerly been devoted to the amusement of the Cr9wn,. it was now intended to provide for the residence of a force which might be made to overawe the people, if ever, their rights should come in collision with the yreteosions.,Of the Crown. He heed the Noble Lord would favour', him with a categorical. answer to the question,. whether. 'it was really the intention of Government to convert the King's News into military barracks ? It was necessary, or at least it was fair, that if this was intended, it should not be known ; for he could assure the Noble Lord that it would make no small, stir—he hoped in the metropolis, but certainly in that part of it...which was most nearly interested in. the subject. Many of his con stituents had complained . to him of the pecuniary detriment' which they experienced by the shutting up the thoroughfare at the Mews. This was certainly unjustifiable; but if, because it had been suffered, the Noble Lord thought the people would tamely endure the building of Barracks wherever the Govern ment might think fit, he would find himself mistaken. He knew that the Noble Lord had, on a former eecaeion,' when speaking on the Subject of Inland barracks, despised the. anti quated authority of. Blackstone, and opposed to it the more enlightened wisdom of the ,present age. He begged pardon for the, length at which he had troubled the Committee on this subject ; but he could not suffer the opeartuniti which was now afforded him of expressing his opinions on the augmentation of the military force-opinions. which, even if he should have the misfortune to hold them singly",; he was nevertheless convinced were such as deeply conceyned the preservation of the Constitution.' The alesenett of many of the 'Honourable Members who usually support ed the view which he had taken of the question, was,