The Sun. — London, England, 1855-05-01 00:00:00

tion d o I° i oca r al. tbo c o o. th f rlie tbelter Laded by go o. c oloto the ovo olg 3 cOU .rgtsPu ' 0 ,10 o f gti ptio o , W Par"' otila " i locf wbe"" tile tele z a intercepted Telegraph ComPnnY Ph their own 'alheiCi. Purp eses v4 .„Y werethe papers, and used by them f graph e • I New, the principle on which . .he ' t - h - ut every de ''''.4"oY lead Me been conducted was ' , Patch i nt • YS - 1 to the persea to wh o _ ~ rusted tot em was deavere( E e leteic Tele thittt was addreesed, Without anyone, except the clerk 80 throw peiZWhiee hands it passed, being aware of its c n o e u r te w nt a s s . i_Ti.any intelligence, received in any n 1 attidiab.euilin the newspapers, it wasiinmediatelyantrau:smit th Y th e Electric T 1 e h C mpany to eveiy part e see..., list o . transmit the battle Y• When the list of the killed and wounded at the other wf,the Alma arrived in this country, before half eip a i t ea transmitted by the telegraph to every prin oi ssac :w o lt in the United Kingdom —to Aberdeen and . n the one hand, and to Plymouth and Exeter on al arm 0 , and he should certainly look with very great B iOn t o n ai l ll, Passing of country law to prevent the h t u r n a i n v s e m rs i a s i iliterest. pelt s of the of news of suc eepy The Electric Telegraph Company core ed e f li the re- Tintes, in which such intelligence was n e toll and they telegraphed it down to every town th purchased a t ele 4 t Y ; ut, if they were not to do that, if there were s u x o h0„541311, theta the Times would bo sent down five or i ee`_`,rB.after, and the article itself would be extracted and "'ed in th e Ex h wherever the place might ee, j os s . ange rooms, or biluaoitoy:B;exreacty in the same manner as it would ha" ihe been , 0 ,,, , the Electric Telegraph Company transmitted it. Lee wile that the public saw e intesligence some to tbebpear,lLLtlley otherwiee would do t anl the injur I ene th e e te es ees . the same ; it we! neither, more nor lees, t e i ezra t elm enjoyed all .he beuent of the transmitting by Psny til t * It Was a distinct rule with the TelegraphC h o e m en - , reeve, - nothing should be trausinitted that hac not te t "lY Printed in the newspi ers. The company eon theieselv th b .‘ I P ft • nsinitiganYtan g ell th e i r • es erespoi s i aye ra d by the hen. member c' authority, but, a s had been plainexp did not toitie from for M anchester, they stated that they trans letele the Times, the Post, or the Herald certain to kn ow cr! i lee of great interest which the public t t o e neht ev e , l',?nce. He thought that the House ough the examplesue He of the Exchequer had not s h et: P a t a w h n e s : e i n s , th a t i tii,, of. pausing, before they passed any ter est ' thilgfaireonhainhe_ gthrseppi;eeseezt clause. It was not for the in- Pass ef t h ve e d t el l e e 1 e a , e u 0 law ; h as 4,pubi rl ic an m y atnh should e t u hi k s i c v l o a t u e s e a s g. h a o irun u as l tn d t n h o oe t f th e but,T e ' le as far a s his private interest as c cam_ .. vantageous than that this tarnlllicZe;:et:d.g-teorPh.atPrilhat.le:lnititiP:il haveintelligence,Wasconce e n l a e ( ti ] s , ' corn naeshnthodiuld oneaieconthnt wanted the prices of a. heat at London orerlle nott all ewe , e !' also must leave it, and if the company transmit from the Times the current, w to prices would he piracy:ll_ _, of course, under the present clause would ph to 'nel.a case each individual merchant This we ,_, transmit a private message for the prices. _ . ilat a y7 it t of great advantage io the Telegraph Com re In the alarm Interest; f a great disadvantage to the ....comrdrcniaolt %h are 0 the country. (Hear, hear.) li 'lied that 11 e the member taking the lie ssi) oe , r e could not understand why new if it f for Oldham, He di con vas tictut enclered copyright protection necessary the rereiter.e necessary bfore. They had been told by _,,,.....be ~ sera' that Manchester would be flooded by Londonte nu.w a Pe n :rs i i 8 0 . 11 1 3 ella,iol.itntewsPapers containing the afford to hese email newspapers could not a h ; they ce e l d ..., igence tr ansiuitted through the telegraph which news of the must only take it from the Manchester P ale, f . 7 at present, obtain their intettigence P a a tsome . ,eO. ~I.iii them, at third, not first hand, the cheap papers henQl t be ohe eed to take ' tell' epee. But when . the ' member ° their in Ig cost, pssliaBlfor Oldham, in these days of that because P a Pers y 4 12 cheaP publications, told them, or this ceent ere cheap, they must deteriorate pressthe. (Mi. penny encyclo tiear7o,llndthat their articles must be injurious, he ; 1 ' liberality in these matters, i had mistaken the hon. gent-eman 8 wi th , for heelid not think cheapness c m f e m think ing th.: 11 4% (Rear) He (Mr. Ricardo), so far ro the, thlB Measur e render the periodical papers.e. s p Sad . would patible ~..,eeed n „leJllleous to the morals of the people, , 0 ge se -°'nlng would tend more to elevate their discriminate hetee'.'eved, moreover, that the public could t _ e best ; e l w hat Was good and what was hail. They weredbL reel" eeg i es of what they ought or ought not to buy an morals. 14 1 3 ‘.. t was not forthis house to decide for them ; d of all i nt *tie" TII`TOK said that the Solicitor-General, Peak" th e I;i:be More candour than courtesy, liad dispose mere I,l,oesegnrnents tised col his (Mr. Bentinck's) side of the a against the clause b stating that they Were hoeaje,Preeentations which y gentlemen on this side . o o f the e ioeseu_elighted to indulge in." Without trouhlin e tn th e B,,wth are ietition of these arguments, he would tell the e„,,acltor-General that it was he who had misrepre e snted the hoeselettillente nu e { on his (Mr. leentinck's) Si e th e d:. The Solicitor -General ad also stated that parto tkiill o,re alaistr•ttio of justice must be put :in one side,so) gheite,ry Out Itilf clause. This, coining belittle 41 ' , ti ''g'4l authotisy, Was is coclusive argument f a ro eTinst ti etest l ;'° , and after'' :uclean a admission there coultl kr 1 4 8 t4ll°w the committee would deal with it. er pon. tiefraetlai,pl.lT.,,.bsered that -the hon. member . f . puzzling que n s d e 'lls fo e se ' „„in nis speech, raised so m, e alli ed See siovernment that he was afraid hise ho_o•afnr:iehe Olr, L i ., ' l O , coax them to try some other. scion C° Ner e - lut) had risen to express a n ope . man questions be fc,r, the4lett had already so many puzzleng. involve them- I4 ei i 41 ' t .heY had better not unnecessarily agreed that, me as the that all Pere,: this. (Laughter.) The house 'llaki„ Who carried on or were connecte h, P Ter be reinunera ti she sho y e to t nld to ari se in a way which would et should be rom-reselves but it did follow that s eas the pre -Be, et. 4,°lllterati4 by clause l so embarrassing a ll others, had iletge4r) If t hey a tookthe paper welwcteit h a d ex- Peeeedtiineost to circulate intelligence: which of all . other e/t,as, free e largest sums to obtain it, arl no necessity I: l4 cY ii. the value of its information,a '°l' a 4:40 house would find that there was for years the most e_l'lnfitaCe,°lthis kind, for it had beennnsmolt liable to number of men ,• . 414 h,' ousieese speculation that . a o any thTimes. It ° ad to ":e f°llowed. He alluded matter s ; t°,,stalllaies.)ll te COmplain of this - 4 Re el ~ "lit used th . uestion as a At this klote ethine, else s li• nee I f (l ight be a gT va • had been leader to complae . n hyeehnt, with the vri,;c„--s might be surely, if there h n eht ut 14 2,1 hence ° f ttlece --- - a r could have been that een e de - lieid.ioPtija.. oat ace stamp a and containing fVT B Hit) p.„ 144- 041.,1L- frost . -4 t , er could not all t e h s a tablished, ""'°ITI " .eB tr 1, a sale a of the Times. He (Hr. Br he reae,_%,. slae_et,the in town, residiug ie ,z I.ltuze,y e'',.''‘e.ater could not obtain the Times till . teees,itualete,,..st`,,,wolverton, and when that he,"ender toil "es‘'club to buy one th e eavceaM elle ea e et ' bA h k e could not obtain it till 12 or 1 lle re, t zoula ei th:' 43 him 1 ° °Y he could not ge tiore,he could Ootain. he sent from his ta copy, and pmt, of er t ' i! -. 40iti l e t t-' ; for every copy f rom all Parti es f ee w orld aped a paper bringing . trews ommunica stye,' vaulishiee th em da leading articles and .. c p _ in , ? the '' frogs Pirati ' all 4 nothing had hitherto withheld 1)48,1;41Th hi hit'd deed io il, paper at 2d., aal4 paying 0001101 to hal fail ed Ilueed been attempted hail been but they ta ke an ." one of them (e)to were going by several audacious pa tailo° • " c e let th • they rsha and eeee , a Tones know what , e h t PI the ?'in k " 4ad e a contract et to obtain were going bedsT ale tae t_.--(law later) -so that hey than one. del)6aPter, jei t ' e ' i a lo of the Times Li more sensesy day aril am from the ev'etlettiaeaoe.leishta,i'ojelecmi,,• ful _ rie,e h er t ' h d e id m n em et b l e aa r forr r Oldham to ss polo ._ the kind had BUG .4, 11 , er Th ey .h q walc it an attempt of about the tl 'call p a 'ad heard a great deal said whengen. th tl i ki . ee were papers, aod 11 say c'n ee - eee e ti e a delicuy as to what they shou , Ameri -4 Pali er ;" 1:1 theY always had a kick at tlle he generally found that him a eoletoe be he he was sorry that he had not with of 300 11,43Pc'ea etripL ia ,, a(l ,, at hotne containing list 44444 4,0 other Ana a e _ had pi tt c PYri g h t, i "J ii kt A eu theme Nilo York Tribune.rd annyYeom. of pirac ealnerica., and they Y . from the New York Herald, the never eeL ea Courier, 1 , 1 4 , th e „ ,elleall papers • the whole thing w t first '1414,, l'eorile liked l3 ' h t they wanted a . n thi s apps w a , so i ° ey ve a Icl be the same i kr tebtietry. (a n America, and won h d been got up as a dela ear-) The piracy question a . em hers II thi:inlelneut for the nrpose of preventing m ht ia hi ,'ellse from lookingPwith f Your on the bill brow was ietreee Chancellor of the wa Exchequer, or that which . fe e r, tleed brr I,_ hon. member e,i4ixford tetiive7B. predecessor the right he (Mr. Bright) fr "8(1 the h ait y. The last time , a paragraph hotem th e ,e, mole on this subject, he read which was on ,T°6e, copied from C eibri.lge paper, w those Retitle; ' 4 6 sub' of pi aa ' as it stated that a. 0 , t he sta . "" Who had been most concerned in the rep e e no. l age i in th i r n . P, Werepreparing to bring out a paper, Ato by * in fereae: ,011caniering kind of business, an able mem ber% h_csaarged him (Mr. Bright) and honoF raorah *tte Diae"_,,at tear him with this intention. The everybody to eld a " la prominent rt of the paper, and of the Ge e s e . 8 „e the indignation Which existed in the mind , ra __, het V the Gfobe h I •d as 9 to the,question . of PI 1. to hee" sense the libertya(a that easion of pointing ot . t e t t._ eel,"an'e, that the 436 ontheoemoot expeditious, uny This cla use" leceesant • e wide had in this country._ _ e .. 4_ ,if e_ pirate . t they suppress the Globe 1 Net her; passe d and carried, would it was prO• ,P°se eeltld what did the Globe say ,when entirely d if "rent '-:',oeiked at the question then from an paper P of view. (Rear, and a laugh-) That ifinitely "'llre e ''' a lea din article against this clause had said hefo„ercible a n d g . e logical than anything it bat 4 1 4 favour °f such a provision, showing conclusively_ dif it were °Nets: elanse would be most injurious, an eral had 41 al e ;), Most j t. The Solicitor-Gen heater, an d tOrn,„e allusionnntona piracy • in the city of Ma i n n c which ~s;eat e;e4intee o fthat P morning had an article paper there wiliele-'"lgnation was evinced at a threepenny . That piper \vaeo,linblished no s appearing in the new' doubt be IltelCOnt the Siz cows th Globe, and would no abolished ; °lst C -l ed at a loevere rice when the stamp wa person con resetetl Would untied:lee to say, there wee nos one single 'opy of w _ith the Times less would (leder IManchester in co.n -'4911 hat journal th was sole in portions of its lile:.'ce of these sinseler papers which took had the t lelt a I t 80 happened that the paper in question day before it IN uf the b t tlthe Alma a e of just one Manchester (-1 Nbl . h and the 4. (triL., 1 ' ed in London, Leeds Mercury, a lld ~-", the manchester Examiner, the ener very geti,"Peera of that class frequently had . s of the co if' ann. able c esp dents in eome portion early news , as pah llt, so thatn it r if - d e n n ot follow that becausetherefore, ' •5 i alt she d-1 in Manchester it must necessarily, telligence tip n the Londo n papers. A piece of m direct fro rearing iu the Manchester press might have comeas that in then 77; lenna, though in might be almost the salve power to 441 '4(14'8 and was the Times to be armed with s ectable ed,t er "wn to Manchester, and drag these re p _ lles , ti ol i? before two • ustices of the peace ? The whole e tl dies eleat 41,1 been torn to pieces, and shattere by h t e n hoped th e (V.B which had taken pla e that evening, anA with the I stio se aticellor of the Exchequer would agree the bill ele o 4 t j' t and the house would agree with him, that (Hear.) i til t ' Pot' withnut any of these obnoxious clauses- re nMeeths'e'l- '‘I`TCELLOII. of the EKG' FIEC/13 ER— i present aPP ° tam e, c ' is no doubt that, by the low as it at original arti a , 3 lie wepapers do enjoy a copyright for the,,l e eece ti v and other paragraphs inserted by them 1n ~._ am ts e, Lt Makes no difference whether a publication_ se e a ee,,; - ' s ° ' lB or appears with the name of the author. Ui Preach,lt,trine--new to me at least—which I have heard a „„11y e i ne '' Losight, that it is necessary, in Order to enjoy •L'lti t - "to that the name of the author should appear. eycio , for instence, the case of an encyclopalia. Ari eT enioel)sa3 11l Publishing anonymoeis articles unquestionably i Tt , • tie) saine copiright as a poem, a history, or an , i I t , i':..Weirk publishee with the mere of the author. (Hear.) dote"; !iowever, been found in practice that the greatest .t Whi e i, l 'tl es exist in enforcing the legal claim to copyright beith;r4 iiinewereaper enjoys. A newspaper proprietor can ti„ n. t b effect, apply to a court of equity for n " be l ie ) that pilhiil,ent the publication of an artiFle, , w v bili,e'eben l e so ephemeral, nor can ' ae, with an proba terdueil,,," " c c'es, enter an action for damages. In int t. e m . ' t. 4 measure therefore, by which the number o t Le" ne wepeners ;null be largely engine dad, it was fel Li a In atter' of common justice to the proprietors of ex h. I + l t P f B PaPers 'to give them an effectual remedy by vie l' th''' nr prosent 'glts might be enforced. With that " t nit w t -- „„ e elanBe nowriunde; the consideratio n of the cona tho4,„.lB Prepared anal submitted to . them, as it was . IS t ,Z:„ " u llt. inSt to guar,' the ri slits and interestshcglexiiisat Prop,;:i7Paore. But, Sir, after the mahner m a w ° ~ , ;ti that ell e ., it !01.ebas been received on both sides,l lie Iter f leiter, ttm , ~i incumbent upon me to press the 1 , n she ('om itstt'aitte4ll ' ll not, therefore, press the clause _IIP view-.,,e 't ti... M eere.) The object which I . hel in t _7 ,, , t''',gliention should be fairly considered hy of UN las e , aiet thsy might see what was the existing state o and how far it met the circumstances of the case. If they believe that there is no danger of considerable abase, and if they prefer to wait until the effect of the pre sent measure has been felt and developed in practice, so as to see whether any additional remedies are needed, I can make no objection to that course, and therefore I shall not think it necessary to press this clause. (Hear, hear.) Mr. DISRAELI—I am very glad to hear the right hon. gentleman has come to that conclusion. He has told us that as the law now stands newspapers have a right to copyright. No doubt there are many rights which exist at present, but which are never asserted. There is the right of free warren, for instance. (Hear, and a laugh.) I know a great narny individuals who possess that right, but I don't suppose there is any one who would exercise it. The hon. member for Manchester has spoken of our press as compared with the American press, and has alluded to the fears of those who apprehend that very injurious con sequences are about to ensue to our press. Now, I believe myself that the tendency of this alteration in the law is to assimilate the press of this country to the American press. The tone of the American press is not occasioned by laws of this kind, but that tone is lower than the tone of the English press because it is the press of a younger country -•-(hear, hear)—and, therefore, there aro many influences et work in Eocland which have elevated, and which will raise for a considerable time, the tone of the English plasm, because that tendency is to lower its enterp, ise, the amount of invested in it, and the degree of talent enlisted in , this exercise of its functions. We have, how ever, at the present moment opportunities of counter acting to tacertain degree what we may consi ler the in jurious effects of the proposition 'of the Government in this particular case. I think we are bound, if we do not admit a copyright—and lam myself opposed to any such admission, because I think that, in the first place, it is on a great scale impossible, and in every respect vexatious —I say I think we are bound to facilitate as much as possible the competition of the newspaper which invests and employs a larger capital, and which engages a gre .ter amount of talent than 'all those journals which are in a very different and contrary position. (Hear.) My own opinion is, that the proposition of the Times newspaper, which has been alluded to this evening by one or two members in a certain spirit of derision, is a just and sound proposition ; and if you say that you will give no copyright to a newspaper at present existing, you are bound to facilitate in every possible manner its means of competition with all other journals which may pirate its news and its intellect. At the proper time, therefore, I shall support that amendment which will propose that newspapers should circulate by the post without any limi tation of weight. I think, under these circumstances, you will be able to remove to some extent the injustice which must necessarily be committed, and which no one can doubt in theory exists as regards the newspaper which invests ca pital and engages talent, when placed in opposition to the journal which does neither the one nor the other. But, practically, will it happen, that an established London newspaper existing on the present scale will suffer by this kind of competition ? I doubt it. At the present mo ment (as has been remarked almost to surplusage in this discussion) the system of piracy exists. At your club you may receive information of what occurs in this house this very evening. You can get the news of the debate there,' but does that prevent you from taking in the morning pa per which gives you that debate more at length and more authentically ? The same principle occurs when you come to compare the circumstances of a distant tawn with those of the metropolis. The public will always go tcathefoun tain head. There is no possibility by. any piracy, or by cribbing in thecontemptible mode in which all these forms, of larceny are executed, of your competing with the origi nal article —that which appeals to your sentiment, your reason, and your sense of utility in a th o u sand wa y s which the stolen articles fail to do. And I feel persuaded that we shall not in the long run lower the tune of English journalism provided we study, byevery possible means, to ficilitate the communication of intelligence. lam asked to give a copyright in news. Now, my idea is, that it is my duty to facilitate the communication of intelligence, and, in order to facilitate the communication of intelli gence, I must not give a copyright in Dews, but rather devise some mode by which intelligence can be circu lated, so that the largest number of people in the country can become acquainted with it. An hon. gentleman, anti cipating that the principle of copyright in newspaper liter ature might be conceded, has ventured to maintain that the only condition be which that principle ought to be conceded is, that no copyright should be allowed in 'the case of anonymous literary compositions. By the present law of Euglaud we do not in poirit of fact give a copy right to ap anonymous writer, because it is the possessor of a copyright and not the creator of a copyright, who by our laws possesses a vested right iu the composition. (Hear, • hear.) lam far from inclined / to throw any discourage ment upon the proposition of my noble friend the member for Northumberland ; indeed I have more than once had the pleasure of conversing with him on the s ubject. No doubt there is something that recommends itself to every manly mind in the principle that every one should be re spensiblia for the sentiments he expresses, but if you come to practice, it is very doubtful whether you will be able to secure Oat, result. (Hear.) What law can you devise by which you can secure that the miter of a leading article in a journal should certainly be known to every one who reads that article? You may pass a law making it incum bent that a name shall be signed to each article in a news paper ; but what name will appear ? (Hear, hear.) How can you secure that--it will be' the name of the writer ? No doubt there are circumstances under which such a M'av would increase the authority of the press. The writer who bears anillustrious name would not hesitate to sign it, and thus increase the influence of the article and the circula tion of the journal ; but the writer who does nut bear un illustrious name, though he may sign one that may become celebrafial, will hesitate adore he signs it ; and you may have one, formal and technical, but utterly inoperative for the purpose you require, and the result wiil be far from bringing under your scrutiny and supervision the names of those you suspect or wish to become acquainted with. My noble friend has spoken to-night -of toe calumnies of the public journals of this country. My noble friend thought himself justified, no doubt, in the remarks he made, from certain circumstances which may be fresh on his mind and memory ; but I think, on the whole, that my noble friend expressed, an opinion that cannot be justified with regard to the news papers of this country. That they may be arrogant, that they may employ the liberty which, fortunately for this country they possess, in a mar ner which'suuoe of us msy often regret; is very possible ; but that the general tendency of their labours is to maintain the public spirit of the country and to guard and uphold the public liberties, I think no impartial person ..an fora moment. deubt. (Hear.) Several hon. members, and particularly an hon. gentleman opposite, have referred to-i light to en anonymous writiug. Why, sir, anonymous writing is not the exception, but it is the rule of the literature of this country. It sioes not apply to political literature alone. but it applies, on the cantrary,, to the whole of the literature of the country. Who wrote " Thom is a Kerb pis ?" Nobody knew , . Who wiote the " Whole Duty of Mau ?" Now, there is a book which every one of us ought to have tAtalied—(a laugh) which for generations our predecessors have stvaied—and which his had more editions than any book in the world, and which is not a scandalous book, a libell ,us book? or a political book, but which is an anonymous book. (Hear) I noticed some anonymous works halo occurred topee when the hon. gentleman was speakingn leaving t higher order of literature--the religious literature—" Thomas a Kempis" and the " Whole Duty of Man," let me ask who was the author of " Waverley ?" Who was the author of "Robinson Crusoe?" An anony- An anopymous writer. mous writer. Who was the author Vindication of Natural Society ?" Why, he was one who became after wards one of the, most brilliant ornaments of this house, to whom we are always reterring as the most eloquent of ora tors, the most profound of sages, and if we refer to him as a statesman it is only to abuse the Whigs for not having placed him in the Cabinet.' I mean Mr. Burke. What are the most brilliant performances of political literature ? What are those works that were writtenby one who in this house occupiedthehighest post, we name will ever be re remembered, and whose oratory, thouh a tradition; live. in the memory of the nation — What are Lord Bolingbroke's works? All those works which we are continually quoting are anonymous. When told of anonymous writing, I referred naturally to the most bril liant and permanent creations of the imagination—and I find that the finest poem in the English languageaif for a moment we forget Shakspere—the " Essay on Man" was an auonymous work. (Hear, hear.) Really, therefore, when we remember those instances which have only this moment occurred to me, and recall the hundred other exa mples which might e referred to, it is too absurd, in speaking of anonymous writing, merely to appeal to the leading articles of a newspaper, or to the political letters to which the hon. gentleman has referred. (Hear.) I cannot help thinking that in effecting a vary great change, which in its original conception I believe to have, been just, but which, as applied by the present Government, seems tome to be uncertain, cumbrous, and unsatisfac tory, we have in this, instance to combat and meet a diffi culty which it is in vain for us to cope with. We cannot give to the rumour, or to the whisper of the day or of the hour, even if authentic, the same permanent privileges which we woull give t, an epic poem or to one of those histories which are possessions for ever. We are bound to give to the communication of intelligence the utmost faci lities which the law will permit, and the provisions of this bill, which are to limit and restrict the circulation of newspapers or works, on which so much intelligence is ex pended, so much talent employed, and so much capital used—the at. em pts to restrict the privileges of the post office according to the weight of the paper, by singling out the particular qualities which make it interesting to the multitude are, I think, not to be tolerated. But while you assert that all the news a journal circulates, all ' the charms of thought or expression it may diffuse, cannot have that miserable privilege and monopoly of a few hours which has been suggested, while you assert that that would be incompatible with our civilisation and the age and manners in which we live, at the same time it -is in tolerable and not to be endured that we ,should by artifi cial restrictions hamper the circulation of intelligence. Let me impress upon the committee that it is our interest th b at the newspapers in this country shoul d be supported y the capital and fed by the intelligence of the country, be cause it is only lat this mode that we can retain the supe riority of the English press, and maintain that superiority overthe Ametican newspapers to which the hon gentle man has referred. (Cheers.) Lord LOVAINE rose to explain that he had not pro posed to compel the authors of any articles, except those who claimed the tight which would be conferred by the present clause, to sign their names. No man was more ready than himself to acknowledge the talent which was displayed by the writers in the public press, but it was the maxim of English law that no rnrin could have a right, in a nothier's wrong, and upon that principle he thought, that leading articles in a newspaper which contained libel lous matter upon individuals ought not to come within the protection of the law. Mr. J. G. PHILLIMORE did not think that the "Essay on Man," referred to by the right hon. gentleman oppo site, was published anonymously, and as to " Thomas a Kempis," it was mitten by Tlas.nas Kempis, the author of another treatise entitled " De Imitations Christi.", Mr. DISRAELI was sorry that the hon. and learned gentleman disagreed from him.but he had in his possession a copy of the first edition of the " Essay on Man," and he could state that it was published anonymously. .Who Thomas a Kempis was he thought no one had ever - knots n, bet if the hon. and, learned gentleman could inform him he wooed be much obliged for the information. The cliose was then negatived. Mr. MILNES rose to move a clau se enacting "that every periodical i n t eanotx e publicationcee exceeding shall be prin ted and p ublished at consecutive parts or number sse v o e f nsu CaYB ohrub blitc‘avteieolni 9, tl a ie n a t t s h vo e superfici es ()f which shall rot exceed 3,500 inches of printed matter, shall he entitled to the said privileges of transmission and retransmis s i on through the post, if duly stamped with the appropriate die of ld.; provided always that such publication shill be subject to the term s and conditions imp ose d in the third clause of this act." Fre felt hiare h the member 'el — f e or sai ß d e i k n s a moving this e t a say with regard to subject, anticipated 1 use,' because his right honourable friend peculiarly difficult position in to almost everything he had intended speech, so completely dcoMpelled ealt with the sub hat,it ainnd dealing r: g in with his el a o n cj o u th, as e t r subject that he Was In a great measure to rely upon THE SUN, LOTDON, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 1,, 1855 unnecessary for him to argue that question. Ent let the committee recollect that a letter weighing under half-an ounce was sent for Id., while the largest newspaper printed and weighing nearly 6 ounces, was to be sent also for I d ., according to the propositio n o f his hon. friend. (Hear.) Thus the privilege given to the newspaper was 12 times greater than that given to the letter, and, in addition , there would be the privilege of retransmission. The news• paper might pass 6 times through the Post-office in the week, and these two multiplied—the weight and the quan tity—it would be found that we were conferring on the newspaper 72 times the amount of postal privilege we were conferring on the letter. (Hear.) He did not see any argument of justice or sound policy that could be urged in favour of such a proposal as that. In dealing with this question, the principle on which we ought to act was, to carry a certain quantity, say 4 ounces, of all matter, whether printed or manuscript, for the sum of ld. (Hear.) Let there be no distinction between printed mat ter and manuscript letters. On the other hand, we must remember that we could not afford to loss any revenue, though, if we came to argue that point, it might be found that the additional revenue derived from letters weighing half-an-ounce was less than might be supposed, and, there fore, that that difficulty might not be so formidable as some people imagined. We should also have to tolerate another anomaly, and that was the privilege of retrans mission. Already we were sen ding eight times the weight of newspaper matter through the post for the same price at which we' sent manuscript matter un der halt-an-ounce, and that eightfold advantage we added to by sending the newspapers (luring the week for as many times as their owners pleased. He thought that sufficient allowance had already been made for these interests, and that, if the privileges were further extended, the committee would only confer in another shape that which in a former case had already been abolished. (Hear.) ing a much larger newspaper than any published in this country. Mr. WARNER was of opinion that every newspaper con veyed through the Post-office was carried at a loss to the re venue, and the more they discouraged the traffic the better for the public revenue. , (Cries of divide.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that if the proposition of his hon. friend the member for' Kidderminster, that a uniform principle should be applied to the postage ,of newspapers and of every article carried by post, was practi cally enforced, he feared that nearly the whole of the pre sent system would have to be abolished. If they compared the rates of charge upon letters, upon newspapers, and upon books and other printed publications not being- newspapers, they would find the discrepancy so great that if it were the pleasure of Parliament to reduce them to a uniform scale it would be necessary to sweep away all the existing rates and to commence de novo. •In the bill which he had the honour to lay before the house he limited himself to carrying into effect with the Bi:wiliest possible alteration of the existing law what he understood to be the decision and wish of the l i house, namely, 'that the compulsory newspaper stamp should be converted into an optional stamp. That bill was founded exclusively upon the existing principle, and therefore maintained the present rule. With respect to superficial inches of the newspaper, that rule being that the newspaper printed on one Or two sheets might con tain 2,295 inches of letters for one penny ; and any number of additional supplements might he printed at the rate of one halfpenny for 1,143 inches. That was the rule now in exist ence, and was the result of legislation two years ago by which the then existing charge upon newspapers was diminished, and the charge for that which was previouslycarried for three halfpence was reduced to a „penny. The effect of the measure now before the house would be, that every newspaper pro prietor would be at liberty to stamp such portion of the cir ciliation as they thought fit, but no part of it could go through the post without the impression of a stamp. That change in the law would confer a considerable benefit on all existing newspapers. They would be relieved from the compulsory stamp on a certain portion of their circulation, and to that extent they would be benefitted by the measure before the house. (Hear.) Unless the house was prepared to sacrifice not only that portion of the revenue which was necessarily lost by the abolition of the compulsory stamp, but also that further portion which would be included in an offer on the paft of the public to carry at a lower rate a larger sized newspaper than at present, there seemed no reason for departing from the arrangement at present in force. It had been argued that as a portion of a newspaper was given gratuitously to its sub scribers, and as no additional charge was made for an addi tional quantity of matter, it was unreasonable that an addi tional charge should be made by the Pest-office. But the Post office had nothing to do with the question as between a news paper and its customers. All the Post-office had to look to was the bulk and weight pf the article. To the Post-office it was utterly indifferent what the price might be, or whether in- deed the article was priced at all. With regard to purely adver tising sheets, which were circulated gratuitously, the trouble and expense to the Post-office were, as great as in the case of a high priced newspaper ; and therefore the argument that was derived from the gratuitous circulation of a portion of a newspaper containing advertisements appeared altogether destitute of weight. He admitted, however, that the whole question of the transmission of newspapers, as compared with other printed matter, required the most careful consideratian, and that the present system must soon undergo a considerable change. But the alteration of the law which he now proposed was one of great magnitude and importance, and he thought they should wait to see how itibperated before they plunged into a fresh series of changes. Mr. DRUMMOND said that he objected the other day to the whole conduct of the press, because it was a system of stabbing in the dark. He equally objected to that house stabbing the Times in the dark, for there could be no ques tion; after the debate which had just taken place, that this was an attack upon a single newspaper. They were begin ning to indulge ,private pique under the pretence of public venue. (Hear, hear.) They hated the Times. (A laugh.) They were afraid of it, and instead of standing up boldly against it, they were giving it this dirty stab in the dark. The house then divided— For Mr. M. Milnes's clause Against it Majority against the clause . 260 -174 The preamble of the bill was then agreed to, and the bill was reported with amendments to the house. The report or dered to be brought up to-morrow (this day). REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS, &c. (SCOTLAND), BILL. This bill was read a second time. PARLIAMENTARY REPRESENTATION (SCOTLAND) his arguments., The immediate object of tho clause which he held in his hand was to take as the measure which might be transmitted through the post for Id. a standard rather above that of the paper which had the largest circu lation. Ho might be asked why he had chosen dimension rather than weight. To that he would reply that in such cases weight was uncertain, and if the act became one of a permanent character, under the competition which it might give rise to there might arise circumstances connected with the manufacture of paper itself which would render weight no criterion as to the amount of matter contained, and he had, therefore, felt it to be his duty to shape his clause in accordance with the 11th cf Victoria, cap. 3. He found that hie right hon. friend the member for the Univer sit y of Oxford, then Chancellor of the Exchequer, when he brought in a bill to alter the Stamp Act, had thought that it was only justice to take as the measure for transmission by post the dimensions of the largest paper then in circu lation, and he (Mr. Milnes) now asked the committee, in altering the present law, to take as the measure of dimen sion the largest paper at present in Circulation. It had been said that it would be much better not to enter on the question of weight or dimension, but to allow any daily paper to be transmitted by pest for Id., without regard to its weight or size ; and it 'nal been argued that by confining that concession to the daily papers it would be without the range of possibility that any very extraordinary weight would be imposed upsn the Post-office. In reply to that opinion, the argumentum ad absurdum had been used, and it had been asked whether, if the editor of a newspaper chose to wrap himself up in a copy of his own journal, he would bo conveyed through the Post-office for Id. ; but the argument which weighed with him was, that he did not see how such a concession could be made to the daily pa pers alone without acting most injuriously and unjustly upon and against the provincial and weekly papers, and : upon that consideration he had felt that he could not fairly argue the question upon the ground of conveying the daily papers thrpugh the post for ld. without any limitation whatever as to their size. He hoped that the Government would not have any objection to lay it down as a principle that the daily papers of the metropolis which had by their diligence, exertion, and ability raised themselves to the position of distributing over the whole length and breadth of the kingdom an amount of intellec tual matter never produced in the same way in any other nation, should enjoy a full share of justice, and that their chances of circulation should not be diminished at a mo ment when power was beimg given to very large papers to circulate an enormous number of copies within a certain radius without going to the expense of a stamp. It was, he thought, a matter of simple justice to papers which mem bers of that house had become accustomed to look upon almost as political rivals, and of which it was impossible, however one might disagree from the principles contained in them, to think without respect. All that those papers asked for was that they should not be placed in an unfair position, but that they should be allowed a reasonable chance of keeping up the high intellectual position which they now enjoyed. The late Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Gladstone) stated the other day that the question of. weight was at present so nicely balanced that the railways were unable to carry into the country by the early train a complete supply of the Times; that portion of the paper containing news being sent by the early trains, and the supplement by later trains. He (Mr. Milnes) had made inquiries on the subject, and he found that, though the fact was true, the inference was entirely false. The question was one depending altogether upon the manipulation of newspapers; and now, when the circulation of newspapers was so considerably increased in consequence of the war, the difficulty of manipulating the large number of the Tunes required to be transmitted by the early trains was too great to be overcome, and it was solely on this account, and not in consequence of the excessive weight, that one portion of the paper was conveyed by one train and the remaining portion by another. He did not think that, if the pre sent bill should be passed, it would have the effect of destroying the great metropolitan , journals, for he be lieved they had sufficient energy and power to overcome any difficulties to 'which they might be subjected by the measure. Hon. gentlemen were aware that when, during the last century a penny stamp was imposed upon periodicals it was predicted that such publications would be destroyed, but the Spectator, though shaken temporarily, not only survived the blow, but rose with redoubled vigour, and in the very last article, in the 7th volume of the Spec tator, :sir Richard Steele congratulated himself that that piper, by the buoyancy of its own merit, had attained an enormous circrtiation in defiance of the stamp. Although, however, the Spectator of that day, and the best periodical , : of tthe present day, might possibly survive such an injury it was impossible to avoid the reflection that the Spectator mi g ht have had a tenfold- circulation if it had not been sub ject to a stamp. had no doubt the newspapers of the present day would derive great advantage from the aboli tion of the stamp which now limited their circulation, but he asked the committee, as a matter of public policy and justice, .to assent to his in °pose'. He did not ask a privilege for one newspaper or ancther, but he asked them to enable every newspaper, metropolitan or provincial, to rise to the same height of intellectu: il merit, to deserve the same pub iic attention, and to exercise the same influence over the ' country as had been attained and were exercised by the leading journals of the .metropolis. -He asked them to assent to his proposal in recognition of the merits of those great newspapers which formed their daily delight. If they neglected this opportunity they might have cause for per manent regret hereafter, when they discovered that they had destroyed or damaged an important means of promot ing the intellectual advance rent of this country. Mr COWAN thought he owed an apology, or at least an explanation, to the committee for not having pressed the amendments of which he hail given notice. Having found, however, that those amendments were unpalatable to the Government, that they Were objeoted to by the late Chan cellor of the Exchequer, and also by the noble member for Lynn (Lord Stanley), whose • manly and independent con duct on this question did hint great credit, he felt it would have been very unwise on his part if he had pressed them upon the attention of the comet nittee. He thought, consider-' jug the various parties whose interests were affected, and taking into account also the transition state of the Post office in connecticn with the duties it was called upon to discharge, that that house was a very unfit tribunal to de termine what amount of we , .g'ht or charge should be fixed and that the subject was one which should be left to the decision of the executive Gortirninent. He imagined that the Government would not Ise disposed to assent to the motion before the committee, which seemed to be based upon the assumption that the State must convey by post any amount of weight. Them -.3 wore newspapers in exist ence, such as the Illustrated London, News, which weighed as much as 10 ounces, and it the committee agreed that newspapers of the tlitneusiond; of ,500 inches shoul.l be carried at a rate of sone penny, he 3 did n ot see why they should not no a step further, a nd convey such papers as the Illustrated London News at th e same rate. He would call the attention of the committe a to the enormous weight of newspipers the Post-office noir carried, as contrasted with what was the ease 40 or 50 ye:us ago. He found, from an article in the European lliagaoine of 1801, that the number of newspapers in England, in 1782, was -2 ; in 1790, 60 ; and in 1801, 135. The num boa- of newspapers in Scotland in these respective years was .8, 7, and 31; and in Ireland, 3,9, and 56. The circulation of the London- morning papers in 1808 was 16,000; ref evening papers, 14,000; of Sunday papers, ; of weekly papers, 20,000 ; and of others, 10,000 ; making , as the writer of the article ob sesved, the " enormous number" of 85,000 newspapers, using live tons of paper in the course of a week. There was another article on the subject in the European. Maga zine of 1.822, when the circulation of the Times was stated to be 5,100. The average daily circulation of that journal at the present time was stated_ to be 60,000. The circula tion of the Observer in 182 plus stated to be 6,860, of the Morning Chronicle 3,180, f the St. James's Chronicle 3,7(,0 ; and, the writer of the article, after the that referring ltp to the re circulation of othe r j ournals, observed - sented an cixtraordinary proof of the activity of the periodi cal press. How would the writer have been astonished if he had seen the progress that had been since made in ex papers ? Instead of the n it pr now between 130 eowdson ess being five tons t ea : n wn (I se iuenmkg, consumption e ewn circulationf paperthe aahaoyaf theia e 1803, was l a wi and 150 n t a o n n ed s t ie ;e l e e3 e hu k be l e y l believe d it . a,bwa H de e eilad etwo eothe:et2astTimesthtee consumption alone, on e p a u e b or would be annu. ly 48,000 tons. Now wh e of mails b had considered . the subject of the conveyc wardsby statedenormous o m t i n t se t e w e s , p w a p h le r ' clear that if the weight consisted of newsp "ipers. It was thatrailway,, t th :t London', t dailyye ar the was 2a7v9ereasvgte.,weerigwhthioefht2hle9mcavvitls. of s w elci newspapershe thrownsent 1 : 5 e properly dischargtel, and very considerable delay must ) 0 the post Pnonsutt-office which i i e n h c rceeausled, notdut ihe ; es that ha l been the i‘regenious contrivances adopted for dep ,si tine . the mails at the various a It probably withstandingtake r place :tn the transmission of the mails, not materially ' appeared to him, then, very important that the hous checking the speed of the trait s- It should impose such a rate of charge for conveying news should impose as would du remunerate the Post-office for 1 , service it was called' upon to perform. He believed that cheap newspapers, -f a small size—about the size of those p t t u , 8 1) 0 1 i i n s e ee t e 2 e o se o e r o 3 f o t h y e a c t: %al o u — n i w t yo,ul b e t h o e newsy published, however ~lily conducted, were incon venientl y large. If we were 1 o have cheap papers, why should we rfreataad p v e a rs n now g impose so high a po etsge as ld- for what perhaps might not weigh more tha ,n an ounce ? He was much disap pointed at the Gov, rrnenent not taking the plan which he had pointed out to tl ion into their favourable considera tion, as he believed i!t would have proved beneficial to the press, to which this eowntry owed so large a debt of grati tude. The adoption, of the universal penny receipt stamp was likely to prove IT ighly advantageous to the revenue ; and this fact ought to . encourage the Government to make at least an experimet It in the way of cheap postage for newspapers. Lord STANLEY understood that the principle which his hon. friend (Mr. Hines) wished to affirm was this — that every newspaper should' be transmitted through the post. at the same cheese , a of LI., altogether irrespective of its bulk or weight. Ti eat he understood to be the prin ciple of .his proposal, because, though he took a limit, he took one that would cover the size of the largest newspa per now known, and he was prepared to increase the limit indefinitely so as to t . :over the largest size that could be published. (Hear, be. le.) He agreed with his hon. friend when be said this was. a. question of simple justice; but he did not think that jastice lay on the side which his hon. friend contended for. (Hear, hear.) The committee could not deal with tl as question as if it were personal to any particular journ.l,l'.. If they did so, they would be Opting on no sound b Deis of aseertait ed principle, and the result would only be, inextricable confusion. • (Hear. hear.) He understood the principle of the bill before them to be generally this—than, whereas formerly we had a tax on newspapers, imposod on certain conditions, we were now asked to abolish that i'etx and substitute for it a simple postal charge. A tax, pie poly so called, might be in it'. self urequel ; it migh t fall mere severely on one class than on another, and yr It that inequality, the result of the incidence of the 'tax, mi ght be balanced by countervailing advantages, won ld mako an unfair tax fair i,n reality ; and th at was b is answer to the hon. gentleman o pposite. A ieostal chi a•ge was the result of a contrac tact between between the, Cs overn mere,', and the public, by which Government undertook f No w ,ertain cempensation to per form a Cart service. what we were bound to ob serve in sue:n a case was, feat -toe chae imposed should always itn,l in every case ,be proportionedgo to the service rendered. k !Hear, hear.) That was the fair principle of a contract, s, sad wo were espeeial;y bound to observe- it in regard to sr erh contracts at: those of the Post-oifiee. Now what his h , in. friend propo sed was to carry any weight to which ane wspaper might extend through the Post-office at the same p rice—an unlimited weight to be carried for an unlimited number of miles, Would be apply that prin ciple to all printed matter? (Hear.) It was laid down clearly the eether night that we desired neither to give the newspapers: any advantage on the one hand, nor to. put them under any disadvantage on the other. If we carried them on in , we unfavoureble terms than we ought we were taxing the m,, which the house bad declared, it intention not to do. If we carried them on more favourable terms 'we wwe 's nbsidieing them, and preferring them to other publication era. (Hear.) Or was it proposed to carry this principle t o all printed matter and t o all private docu ments ? " No," from Mr, Milues.) Then, it would be Mr. LOWE was sure that the committee would believe him when he stated that he ventured to address them upon this subject with great reluctance, and that he should not be induced to do so did he not believe that he could give them some little inforruatioh with regard to it. The noble lord who had just sat down had argued the question as if they were about to establish a totally new principle for the conveyance of printed and written matter through the Post-office. It might or might not be right for the House of Commons to do so, but he would not enter into that sub ject, because it was not the question before them. The question simply was whether id. should be the amount of postage to be charged up on a cer t a i n quantity of matter publised at intervals within a certain date? Whether that were just or unjust depended materially upon the principle which was applied i n v i e wing the question, and he submitted that it should not be the principle which had been laid down by the noble lord. It could hardly have escaped the committee, and the noble lord must himself have felt it, that his argument - suffered from some amount of inconsistency, because the noble lord was very much shocked at the disparity of carrying six ounces of a news paperbut the noble for ld. and a letter, under half-an-ounce, for the same amount; lord was not shocked at the dis parity, almost equally startling, of carrying fourounces and half-an-ounce for ld. They must fix upon a principle, however, and apply it strictly, fairly, and logically. The noble lord's principle would appear to be to treat news papers and letters as the same, and to.apply the same rule of postage by weight to all. He did .not gather how the noble lord intended to accomplish this; but if he might be allowed the phrase, he thought that the proposition was " practically impracticable."' If the noble lord took letters as his guide, he would impose a rate upon news papers which, however just according to the noble lord's abstract theory, would effectually exclude them from the Postaoffice. If, on the other hand, he took newspapers as his guide, and carried letters at the rate of four ounces for id., he would make such an ,enormous invasion into the postage revenue that it would be impossible to conduct the estaulishment upon such a basis; because, iu the case of large concerns, a number of letters would be sent under one envelope, and the Post-office ivould be defrauded. If he took letters, then, as his guide, he would exclude news papers from th e Post-office, and if he began with news papers, he would charge too little for letters exceeding the ordinary weight to permit of the establishment being re munerative. He therefore submitted that the proposal of the noble lord was not a practical one. (Hear, hear.) Let them look at this question as men of business, and what, he asked, was the fact ? The truth was that the Post office existed mainly and primarily for the purpose of car rying letters. .Those letters paid the expenses of the Post office, and if it did not carry a single newspaper it would be impossible to diminish theexpenses of the establishment in any risp:ct, becaus it would I e necessary to maintain it for ,tie purpose of carrying the letters alone. Mr. Rowland Hill had given his sanction to this statement, and there fore there could be no doubt about it. The principle, then, he apprehended, upon which the Government had hitherto proceeded was this :—Here was the Post•office existing for the purpose of carrying letters, and having, as it were, a surplus facility for carrying other matter, and Parliament, wing of ,pinion that the conveyance of newspapers was a great public benefit which was worthy of being encouraged, tad chosen to carry newspapers at a rate infinitely cheaper than that which was imposed upon letters, and to give them he privilege of being transmitted and retransmitted through the Post-office ad infinitum. (Hear.) Unless the committee would grant• him that there was some public policy ,in carrying newspapers cheaper than letters, there would be nothing for it but to treat them both alike, and to charge newspapers at the same rate as letters. He concluded, . therefore, that there was some public policy in carrying newspapers cheaply, and he imagined that the Government saw no reason for changing. that principle. That was the ground non which he had started. In a country like this Free communication, freedom of knowledge, and freedom of intelligence were the very life-blood of the constitution. (Hear, hear.) It was by such means that people acquired their information ; by it the public were made participa tors virtually in the deliberations of that house, and every one who addressed them in that chamber had the ad vantage of addressing, in fact, the whole civilised world. He thought that that was no small advantage, and that it was one which the Legislature had 'done wisely to consider. He came next to the question, what was the limit which ought to bo imposed ? The limit at present was 2,295 inches. Was it enough or was it too little ? That was the practical question. He could only illustrate it by a refer suce to the most prominent case which existed—that of the Times newspaper—which had been frequently referred to in the course of these debates. The case of the Times was this : When it printed 12 pages, as it did three days a-week, its limits did rot exceed 2,295 inches, and it was th en enabled to print its impressions upon a penny stamp; but when it printed 16 pagan, as it did on throe other days of the week, it had to pay an additional halfpenny in the shape of stamp duty, which. upon a sale of 60,000 copies, cost the' proprietors of the Times 125/. ; and when to that amount was added the extra expense of paper and print ing, he was told, and he believed it. that the extra supple ments were not remunerative. The proprietors of - the Times,-however, had no choice but to publish these supple ments unless they nreferred to send away advertisements. It was a necessity imposed upon them by the nature of the news and the advertisements which they published that, three times a-week, this additional expense of 1251. a-day should be imposed upon them. Were that a uniform charge upon the proprietors of the Times it might be met by an addition of one halfpenny to the price of the noises paper, and then the expense would be tra nsferred to the reader ; but 'as the charge was only an occasional one, it fell upon the Times itself. He would scorn the notion of arguing a question of this sort with reference to only one newspaper e but the matter affected a whole class, and what was the case with reference to the Tienesto-day might be that—and he sincerely hoped that it would be—of other newspapers in a few years. See how the circula tion of the Times itself had increased within the last few years. In 1808 it was somewhere about 5,000, in 1841 it was 11,000, and now it was 60,000. What was there to prevent the other papers doing the same thing ? Upon what principle, then; he asked, should they fix a limit upon the size of newspapers? Why insist that newspapers, after exceeding a certain size, should pay an increased amount of taxation ? Upon what ground should they select a par ticular stage of advancement in a newspaper in order to levy a severe fine upon it ? The committee appeared to be of opinion that there was no limit to the size of a daily newspaper; but that he apprehended to be a mistake—the very circumstances of the case put a limit upon the size. First of all there was a natural limit. The news of the day end the advertisements of the day, to be followed by the news and advertisements of the next day, imposed one limit. Another limit was the quantity which a man could possibly read and get through in the course of a day • and he was certainly inclined to think that that limit had reached already. But, besides these, there was another limit which was certain to prevent the increase of news papers beyond a certain size. It was quite obvious—for considerations palpable enough—that it was not the inte rest of the daily newspaper, however large and well con ducted, to raise its price above its fellows, and therefore it was that we had the publications of the Times and the Globe sold at the seine price. It was not a case in which the propri. tors of the former journal could raise their price because the competition of other newspapers kept down the price to their limit. There was, therefore always a struggle on the part of that journal to keep itself within the amount which i t could publish without a loss in its cite. culation, There were two sources from which a newspaper derived its income—its sale and its advertisements. There were also two sources of expendituree-that which was in volved in the circulation, and that which was implied in filling the newspaper with the matter which it contained. Et , wa s quite evident, therefore, that while the price of the latter item increased, and that at which the news paper was sold remained the tame, the paper m i g ht, grow. at length t such an extent that the i u n ia t t er f e o s r t i , t ? sb " circulation " alone would cease to return a profit. Under those circumstances, it was absolutely necessary to put a limit to the increase of the circulation. That point the Times had reached. The• hon. gentleman the member for Manchester had himself mentioned the difficulty of getting a H ul o d w ne d g id lee t t he t y o copy of the Times, and the premium at which copies of that regard; a nd howf otheirr i d h e o a w c l e i o account for the fact that anewspaper proprietary, if influenced supply the article in which it dealt The reason was obvious, that matters had come to a point when the Times paper alone b w y e were ra was .o neces sitated to contract its circulation. There ap lest the circulition by inereas , ng the paper should P become slllwas, b the means of a loss ; and any loss would be 'very serious, it would be imreediately multiplied by 60,000. That because state in which things were now with respect to that w paper and a nlve: t which every paper sooner or later mus t a • Of one thing he was quite certain , that if they desired to . maintain the press at its present standard they' must allow the ram largest a .1 jour nals, and therefore those on which the greatest amount of c apital and talent was employed, to , circulate through the country with as little difficulty and expense a Mr. M. GIBSON said the proposition befores possible. the house was s i m ply this—that there was a case f or relief for carrying the Times through the post ; and that whereas the Times, with a supplement full of most profitable matter, was now carried through the post for lid., it was now proposed be carried for ld., the being deductedthat it should from the public re venue. . Now, he maintained that there was no f a i r case f or relief. Why, if the Times would gi ve hi m the money received from their advertising connecti on , he would bind himself legally to pay the extra id. postage. They ought not to make exceptions in favour of any one concern, but should either carry all printed matter at the low rate now proposed to be applied to the Times, or should not reduce which that journal was carried. When it the present rate at Times newspaper was fined, and had it was said that the Gibson) would say it was a monstrousa case for relief, he (Mr. ought to resist it. He, for one, would laPpeal, and the house the motion of the right lion. gentleman'ec f ord his vote against this supplemental stamp, they would be or, if they repealed the proprietors of a prosperous commercialnierely granting to establishment a certain portion of the public revenue, an do so they had better vote th e sum at d if they resol ve d t o once—(hear, hear) — and say the Times was an institution, ported at the public expense. (Hear , and hear.)ought to be sup call, attention to the fact that the Iliad He begged to occasionally weighed ten oun ces, and rated London, News much larger amount of printed would probably have a matter in it than any other paper. Mr. E. BAIL hoped the right hon. member for Manchester would excuse him if he did not follow the advice he bad given to the house. He (Mr. Ball) was of opinion that the post office could convey any new s p aper at a much less cost than 3 penny, and that the Post-office wealcl suffer no loss Air carrr. BILL, The Parliamentary Representation (Scotland) Act Amend ment Bill was read a second time. The other orders of the day were postponed MILITIA. Mr. PEEL obtained leave to bring in a bill to amend the laws relating to the militia in England. He stated, in reply to some remarks by Colonel Fibthorp, that the object of the bill *as of comparatively minor importance. It, did not affect the point of the liability of the militiamen to serve in the embo died militia. It simply amended certain details relative to the apportionment between counties and boronghs of the ex pense of storehouses and arms to the militia regiments. CINQUE PORTS. Mr. WILSON obtained leave to bring in a bill for the better administration of justice in the Cinque Ports. MEDICAL DEPARTMENT. On the motion of Mr. Cowan, copies were ordered of all minutes and orders, and all papers and correspondence, in the Colonial-office, relative to the medical department of Sierra Leone, from the appointment of Governor Keanely in 1852, down to his removal from the colony. And of all papers, minutes, documents, and letters relating to e rtai■ charges preferred by Governor Kennedy against Mr. William Nicoll Aitkin, late colonial surgeon in Sierra Leone, and to his re moval from office, with the correspondence which has passed, and the memorials and petitions 'which have been presented, on this subject, between the said Governor Kennedy and the Colonial-office, and the said William Nicoll Aitkin, the Colo nial-office, and the Lord President of the Privy Council. RETURN On the motion of Mr, LOCKE KING, a return was ordered of the sum total of all moneys paid or allotted for salariez, fees, or allowances to draftsmen by the several pablie depart ments during the year 1853, the ye•+r 1854, and the frst three months of the year 1855, for drafting, settling the drafts of, or advising on, bills laid or to be laid befor Parliament ; specifying the fee or allowance for each and every bill, and whether such bill has been passed into ala ; and in case the draftsman thereof was or is a member of or employed ' under any statute law or criminal law commission, the name of such draftsman. _ NOES-260s Acton, J. Gooch, Sir E. Adair, R. Goodman, Sir G. Adderley, C. Gordon. A. Anderson, Sir J. Grace, 0. Antrobus, E. Greenall, G. Arkwright, G. treason, S. Atherton, W. Grenfell, Chas. Baird, J. Grey, Sir G. B 11, J. Grey, R Baldock, E. Grosvenor, Ld. R. Baring, T. Guernsey, Lord Barnes, T Gurney, J. Barrow, W. Honed, G. Bass, T. Hall, Sir B. Bateson, Capt T. Hamilton, Lord C. Beckett, W. Hankey, T. Bective, Earl Hamer, Sir J. Bell, J. Harcourt, G. Bennet, Capt P. Butte, Alex. Bentinck, G. Hastie, Archd. Bethell, Sir R. Headlam, T. Riggs, W. Heard, J. Bland, L. 11. jleatbcote, Sir G. Bonham-Carter, J. Heathcote, G. Bouverie, Hon. E. P. Heneage, Geo. F. Bramley-Moore, J. Henley, J. Brand. H. B. W. Herbert, H. Brocklehurst, J. Dervey, Lord A. Brown, W. Heyworth, L. 'truce, Lord E. Hildyard, R. C. Buckley, Gen. Hill, Lord A.. E. Burrowee, R. Hudson, G. Butt, G. Hume. W. Byng, G. Hutchins, E. Ceiba, B. Hutt, W. Castlerosse, Viscount Ingham, R. Caulfield, Col. J. Jermyn, Earl Cavendish, C. Johnstone, Sir 3. Cavendish, G. Jolliffe, Sir W. Uheetham, John Jones, D. Child, Smith Keogh, W. Christie, Samnel Kershaw, J. Clay, Sir W., Bt. Rine, J. Clive, Hon. R. 11. Kirk, W. Cobbett, J. M. Knatchbull, W. CObden, R. Knightley, R. Cockburn, Sir A. J. E. Knox, Col. B. W. Cogan, W. H. F. Knox, W. S. Co.e, IL A. Labon. Sir E. Cowan, C. Lang ton, H. G. Cowper, W. F. Laslett, W. Craufurd, E. H. J. Lee, W. Crook, J. Lewis, Sir G. C. Crossley, F. Lisburne, Earl Dsvies, J. L. Locke, J. Denison, E. B. Lowther, Capt. Dering, Sir E. Macartney, G. De Vere. S. Mackie, J.l Dillwyn, L. Weann, J. Druml unrig, Vis. Macgregor, Jas. Dueliwor h, Sir J. T. 'Mandeville, Vie. Duncombe,Hon. A. Manners, Lord G. Durmombe, 0. Manners, Lord J. Dundas, F. March, Earl of Dungai van, Viscount Marjoribanks, D. Dunlop, A. Masterman. J. Dunne, ColJ Meux,Sir H. East, Sir J. ' Milligan, R. Ebrington, Viscount Mills, T. Egerton. Sir F. Michell, Dr. W. Elliot, J. Mitchell, T. Esmond e. J. Moffatt, G. Ruston, Earl Molesworth. Sir W. Ewart, W. Monck, Viscount Farnham, E. Mon crel fr, J. Fen wick, 11. Monsen, W. Fihner, sir E. Mowatt, F. Fitzeleraid, Sir J. Mulgrave. Earl of FitzGeraid, J. Mundy, W. Fitzgerald, W. Murrough, J. Foley, J. Neeld, John Follett, B. Newport, Viscount. Forster, C. Noel, G. Forster, J. Norreys, Lord Freestun, Col. North, F. Frewen, C. Nofthcote, Sir S. Gibson, T • Oakes, J. Goddard, A. O'Brien, P. LOAN BILL. O'Brien, J. O'Connell, D. • O'Connell, J. Oliveira, B. 0 borne, R. Oasul ston, Lord Paget, Lord A. Pakington, Sir.T. Palmer, Robert Palmer, Roundel! Palmerston, Viset. e Peacocke, G. Peel, Sir R. Peel, F. Pellatt, A. Percy, J. Philipps, J. Phillimore, J. G. "liking ton, J. Pollard-Urquhart, W. Portal, M. Power, N. Price. Sir R. Pritchard, J. Ramsdell, Sir J. Ricardo, J. Ricardo, 0. Ricardo, S. Rice, E. Richardson, J. Robertson, P. Bolt, P. Rushout, Col. G. Russell, F. C. Sadietr, James Sawle, C. Scrape, G. Scatty, F. Szally, V. Be,/mour, H. Shafto, R. Shelburne, Earl Shelley, Sir J. Shirley, E. Smith, J. B. Smith, M. Smith, R. Smith, Abel Sotheron, T. Spooner, R. Stanhope, J. Stanley. Lord Stephenson. R. Strickland, Sir G. Strutt, E. Stuart, W. Sullivan, Michael Sutton, J. Talbot, C. Tancred, H. Thornely, T. Thornhill, W. Train, G. Trollope, Sir J. Tudway, R. Vane, Lord H. Vansittart, G. Vernon, L. Villiers, C. Vyse, Col. Waddington, 11. Watkins, Col. Watson. W. Wells, W. Whatman, J. Whitbread, S. Wickham, H. W. Wilkinson, W. Willoughby, Sir H. Wilson, J. Wood, Sir C. Wortley, J. S. Wynn, Lieut.-Col. Wyvill, M. TELLERS layter, W. B3rkeley, G. Is amended, considered ; amendment proposed, in page 9, line 9, to leave out from the word " respectively" to the word "if," in line 39. Question put—" That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the , bill." The house divided ; ayes 210, noes 111. AY ES.-210. . Acton, Joseph Forster, Charles Morris, D, Mair, 11. Fort( scue, C. S. MOW att, F. A lcock, T. Freestun, Colonel Mowbray, J. Ti. find , rson, Fir J. French, Fitzstephen Mulgra , e, e arl of P,a2shaiv. J. Gibson, M. ikinnings. J. B. Baines, ltt. Hon. M. GlYn, G. - Murrough, J. P. Baird, J. - Goodman. Sir G. Newark, Viscount 8111, J. Gore, W. Norreys, Sir D. ittedock, E. 11. Grace, 0. North, 1' Baring, T. Oregson, Samuel O'Brien, I'. Barnes, T. Grenfeli, Charles O'Brien, Sir T. Barrow, w. Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir G. O'Brien, C. Beckett, W. Grey, R. O'Connell, J. Bethel!, Sir R. Grosvenor, Earl Oiive , rs, R. Bicgs, W.' Hadfield. Georg. Csborne, R. Bland, L. H. Hall, Sir Benjamin Ossulston, Lord It nimrn-Carter, J. Bankey, T. Palmerston, Viscount Bonverie, Hon. E. P. Harcourt, G. G. Pechell, Sir G. Bransston, T. W. Hastie, Alex. Feel, F. Brand, H. B. W. Basile, Archd. Feilsit, A. Bright, J. Headlatn, T. Philipps, J. Brockman, E. D. Heathcote, Sir G. PhiTlimore, J. G. Brotherton, J. Heathcote, G. Pigott, F. ttrown, W. Herbert, 11. Pollard-Urquhart, W. Bruce, Lord E. Heyworth, L. Portal, M. Buckley, Gen. Higgins, G. 0. Portman, W. Burke, Sir T. Holford, R. Power, N. Butler, C. S. Horsfall, T. Price, Sir R. Byng, G. H. C. Horsman, E. Pritchard, J. Castlerosse, Vis. Hotham, Lord Pngh, D. Caulfeild, Lt.-Col. J. Hughes, W. Reed, J. Cavendish, G. C. Hutchins, E. Repton, G. Challis, T. Hutt, W. Ricardo, S. Chambers, M. Johnstone, Sir J. Rice, E. Chambers, T. Keating, K. Rnshout, Capt. G. Cholmondeley, Lord Keogh, W. Russell, Lord J. Christy , Samuel Kershaw, J. • Russell, F. C. Clay, Sir W., Bt. Ktnnaird, A. Seymer, H. Cobden, It. Knatchbull, W. Seymour, H. ' Cockburn, Sir A. J. E. Knightley, R. Seymour. W. Collier, R. P. Lacon, Sir E. Shafto, It. ' Coote, Sir C. H. Langton, 11. G. Shelley, Sir J. Cowan, C. Laslett, W. , Shirley, E. Cowper, W. Lee, W. Smith, J. A. Crook, J. Lemon, Sir C. Smith, J. B. Crossley, F. Lewis, Sir G.C. Smyth, J. G. Dalrymple, Viscount Liddell, H. G. Smnllett, A. Davies, D. Lindsay,W Somerville, Sir W. Davies, J. Mackie, J. Sotheron, T. Denison, E. Mack`nnon, W. Stanley, W. Benison, J. E. M`Cann, J. Steel, John De Vere, S. E. MacGregor, James Strickland, Sir G. Duncombe, 0. MeTaggart, Sir J. Strutt, Hon. E. Dundas, F. Megan, W. Sullivan, Michael Dungarvan, Viscount Mangles, R. Thomrson, G. Dunlop, A. l4 arforiipanks, D. Tomline, G. East, Sir J. Martin, J. Tawnshend, Capt. J. Egerton, W. M asterm an, J. Vane, Lord H. Egerton, Edw.C. Matheson, Sir J. Vansittart, G. Euston, Farl of Milligan, R. Villiers, C. Ewart, W., Mills, T. Vivian, H. H. Ewart, J. Manes, R. Walmsley, Sir J. Fagan, W. Michell, William Whatman, J. Farrer, J. Mitchell, T. A. Wickham, IL Feilden, M. Moffat, G. Williams, W. Fergus. John Molesworth, Sir W. Willoughby, Sir H. Ferguson, Sir R. Monck, Vis. Wilson, J. Ferguson, J. Moncreiff J. Wood, Sir C. Fitzgerald, J. Monad', W. TELLERS. Fitzroy. Henry* Montgomery, Sir G. Hayter, W. Foley, J. 11. Morgan, 0. Berkeley, G. NOES-1 1 1. Adderley, C. B. Gladstone, Capt. J. Palk, L. Annesley, Earl of Goderich, Viscount Palmer. Robert Antrobus, E. Gordon, A. Parker, R. Ball, E. Greaves, E. Pennant, Cot E. Baring, H. Grogan. Edward Philltmore, R. J. Barrington, Vist. Gwyn, Howel Pilkington, J. Baxter, W. Hamilton, Lord Claud Ricardo, J. Bective, Earl Heneage, Geo. H. Ricardo, 0. Bell, J. Henley, J. Robertson, P. Bennet, Capt. P. Herbert, S. Rolt, P. Bernard, V ist . Herbert, Sir T. Scobell, Capt. Bramley-Moore, J. Hervey, Lord A. Sibthorp, Col. Buck. L. W. Hildyard. R. C. Smith, W. Cardwell, E. Hill, Lord A. E. Spooner. R. Cecil, Lord Irton, S. Stafford, A. Christopher, Robt A. Jermyn, Rt. lin. Earl Stanhope. 3. Clifford, Lt.-Col. H. M. Jolliffe, Sir W. Stanley, Lord Corey, H. T. L. Jones, Capt. T. Stirling, W. Craufurd, E. H. J. King, J. Stuart, W. Dalkeith, Earl Knight. F. Sutton. J. Deedes, William , Labouchere,Rtalon.H Taylor, Colonel Dillwyn, L. L. Langston, J. H. Thornely, T. Disraeli, B. Langton, W. H. P. G. Tyler. Sir G. Duckworth, Sir .T. T.B. Lowe, R. Vernon, G. Duncan, George Macartney, G. Vyse, Col R. buncombe, Hon. A. M'Gregor, John Waddington, D. Dundas, G. Maddock, Str A. Waddington, W. Dunne, Colonel Malins, Richard Walcott, Admiral. Ebrington, Viscount Mandeville, Viscount Walpole. 8. Farnhath, E. Filmer, Sir E. M m a a n ss n e e y r , s, W L . ord G. W wa tt i l i t s e , r, w 3. W. Fitzgerald, W. R. S. Maxwell, J. Whitbread, S. F over, J. Meux, Sir H. Wilkinson, W. Fox, W. J. Mall, E. Wynn, Lt. - Co l. l, M. Galway, Vint. Naas Lord Wyyil T EMAIL Gaskell, J. Neeld, John George, J. Northc ote, Sir S. Gladstone, W. _2 Pakington, Sir J. Kelly, SS rm}:. ----------------- The Royal Agricultural Socket"' of Ire land and th e Royal Dublin Society a re at nt conce r ti ng of cattle in ade quately represented at the approaching measures to have the agricultural intperreessetsoftat country Paris. f tee entertai ed the purpose of marking - the sense o s es m n Swansea, shall be de- It hqs been determined that the fund; contributed for for the late Mr. Vivian. M.P. for . w , voted to the erection of a fountain in some conspicuous part of that town, and that this fountain shall have, as its centre, a statue of the deceased. The subscriptions at present are about 6501. [Any E nTinEmENT.J—Holloway's Ointment and Pills To ProfeEtsor the most effectual remedies for the Gout and Rheuma tism.—Extract of a letter from Mr. Thomas Wbc, druggist, Eton, dated April 26, 1852 : pu publicly known. Holloway. Sir,—A case has lately come under my notice which I think should be man, who 1 suff ere d so dreadfully from a rb p eu oo m r at ua is a m n e th b a ro t n o i f e It is endured incessant pain. it oat the use of one side, and cal treatment, and at West e was under different medi cal him incurable. minster Hospital the faculty case, for by the use of e. however , this er, was not the been restored to your ointment and pills he has medicine vendor health and strength."—Sold by all esta blishments, 2 0, and at Professor Holloway's 44 Stra d L d New York, P 11 lon on, and 80, Maiden-lane, The draughts at present in Cork barracks are very strong, including 200 of the 3d Buffs, 120 of the 9th, 152 of the 14th, 120 of the 39t.b, and 120 of the 89th, and upwards of 500 of the 2d Somerset Militia. The Commander of the Forces, Lord Seaton, pro ceeded to the Curragh, at Kildare, on Saturday morn ing, to inspect the progress of the works in the forma tion of the encampment. His lordship, attended by Major Colburne and Sir L. Newman, Aide-de-Camp, was accompanied by Colonel Doyle and Colonel Wood. EXCISE, Mr. WILSON moved that the house at its next sitting l / 4 (this clay) should resolve itself into a committee of the whole house on the excise duties. • The house then adjourned at one o'clock. SPORTING IN T Ii:LLIGENCE. TATTERS ALL'S.-MONDAY. A very thin attendance, moat of the members having taken their departure or Chester. Speculation was pursued to a limited extent only, as will appear from the subjoined quotations : CHESTER CUP. 11 to 1 agst Scythian (taken) 11 to 1 agst Early Bird (taken) 13 to 1 agst Nabob (taken) 15 to 1 agst Arthur Wellesley (taken) 15 to 1 agst Joe Miller (taken) 15 to 1 agst Escape (taken) 100 to 6 agst Gamekeeper (taken) 20 to 1 agat Noisy (taken) 30 to 1 agst New Warrior (taken) DERBY. Bto 1 agst St. Hubert (taken to 1501.) 9to 1 agst Rifleman (taken) 15 to 1 agat Kingstown (taken) 16 to 1 agst Dirk Hatteraick (taken) 40 to 1 agst Rylstone (taken) MANCHESTER STEEPLECHASES—MoNmr. The City Steeplechase. About three miles and a half. Burnt Sienna Rosa Star of England Sailor Handicap Hurdle Race. About two miles. Parchment Novelist 2 The Stretford Selling Steeplechase. About three miles and a half. Massaroni Gradeley Lass,? Royal Blue ARRIVALS AT CHESTER. Jack Sheppard, Paletot, Mosquito, Blanche, Stork, Venison, Ephesus, Testy, Johnny Taft, Falcon, Noddy, Sister to Singapore, Challow Boy, Rataplan, Merry Monk, Mortimer, Medal, Michaelmas Maid, Heber, Homily, Chalis, Hothorpe, Octavia, Bright Phoebus Scythian, Escape, Instructress, Pumicestone, Typee, Shoreham, Orson, Palmerston, Polestar, Early Bi r d, Bolton, Corcebus, Crotch e t, King.. of Trumps, Lady Tatton, Alfred, Lord Alfred,- Seducer, Fanny Fern, Nancy, Ida, Gamekeeper, Cossey, New Warrior, Knight of St. George, Jenny Wren, Ireland's Eye, The Gem, and Tom. STRUCK OF THE NAVVIES AT SUNDERLAND DOCK.— i This st ike still continues, the m en a dh er i ng to t h e i r deman of 3s. 6d. per day. The co n t rac t ors are endea vourin to engage fresh hands at the old rates of 2s. 6d. and 3s. per day. At present the dock works are nearly suspended for want of navvies. LiDVERTIsEmENT.I—Many thousand cures have been effected without medicine, by Du Barry's Delicious Reva lenta Arabica Food, of indigestion (dv,pepsia), constipation nervous, bilious, and liver complaints, paralysis, &c. We quote a few :—Cure No. 52,612.—Fr0m the Dowager Countess of Castlestuart.—" Ross:irevor, County of Down, Ireland, 9th December, 1851.—The Dowager ,Countess of ' Castlestuart feels induced, in the interest of suffering hu manity, to state that Du. Barry's excellent Revalenta Ara bica Food has cured her, after all medicines had failed, of indigestion, bile, great nervousness and irritability of many years' standing. This Food deserves the confidence of all sufferers, and may be considered a real blessing. Inquiries will be cheerfully answered." Cure No. 71. — Of dyspepsia, from the Right Hon. the Lord Stuart de Docies.—'• I have derived considerable benefit from 'De Barry's Revalenta. Arabica Food, and consider it due to yourselves and the public to authorise the publication of these lines.—Stuart do Decies." Cure No. 32,836. —From the Venerable Archdeacon of Rua.- "Three years execs. sive nervousness, with painsinmyneck and left arm, and ge neral debility, which rendered my life very miserable, has been radically removed by Du Barry's h -restoring it F e o N m o l —Alex. Stuart, Archdeacon of Ross, Ski bereen." ) 4,208.—.. Eight years' dyspepsia, nervonsnessee(dntebeiliTietyn, with cramps, spasms and. nausea, Wally removed by Du Barry's delicious Food in a very • (don Rectory, short time.—Rev. John Norfolk." Cure No. 51,416.— Fl ‘ a ‘ v F e i l f i ly years'a cough, l consti agony from dyspepsia, ne rvousness,4latstt , *T"'indescribable h stomach and vo pation, flatulency, spasm D Barry's excellent F0,.4. sickness o mitings, have been remov ed by —Maria Jolly, Wortham. Ling,unrinDdissi g,7sTtioornf.olakn.; Cur No. 3,9o6.—Thirteen Y e 311 f y co s eby Du Barry's excellent gene ral debility have been rem i 7 .3.streat, Perth•"—ln Food.—James Potter, At canis ters, suitably packed 2folbr al4lso.lii6nda.t;es,Siabn.:llwlih;lfu2lllb.i,ns2t2r.us.c; tions —llb. 2s. Pd. ; . super-refined, , of post 21bcarriage free, on receipt 4 'l.lb. 6s. ; ; 51b., 225. ;bib., 335. 1 ~ c The 101 b. and ler, Barry du Ban 7 and Cie Co., 77, Bogen.- office or, ndon Thrtmun, Mason, anc purveyors o street, Loudon r Piccadilly , also at 68, Cornhill ; 60, her m a j es ty, 182, Gra ,church-street;3 . 1 30 . and 451, Strand ; 63 and 150, 55, Charing-cross ; 4, Chnpside ; 25 and )xford-street ; 54, Upperßaker-rtreet. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. NAVAL AND M. HOUSE OF COMMONS. —APRIL 30, NEWSPAPER STAMP DUTIES BILL. i Clause (Every periodical publication that shall be printed and published at intervals not exceeding seven days between the two consecutive parts or numbers of such publication, and the superficies of which shall not exceed three thousand five hundred inches of printed matter, shall be entitled to the said privileges of transmission and re-transmission by the post, if duly stamped with the appropriate die of one penny; provided always that such publication shall be subject to the terms and conditions imposed in the third clause of this act) brought up and read a first time. Motion made and question put, " That the clause be read a second time. The committee divided—Ayes 86, Noes 260. AYES-86. ' Annesley, Earl of Galway, Viscount. Pakenham,T. H. Bailey, sir J. Gaskell, J. Parker, It. Bailey, C. George, J. Paxton, Sir J. Ball, E. •eladstone, Capt. J.e Pechell, Sir G. Baxfer, W. Gederich, Vis. Pennant, Col. E. Bowyer, G. (Ireaves, E. Phinrr, T. Kuck, G. Greene, John Pigott, F. Ciyiey, E. Grogan, Edward Reptou, G. Cholmondeley, Lord Gwyn, H. Roelaire , c, J. Christopher, Robt. A. Hamilton, J. ii. Scholefiel.l,-W. Clifford,Col.ll. M. Ileywcexi, J. Scohell, Capt. G. Jollier, It. P. Hughes, W. Seymer, H. Colville, C. R. Irton. S. 2.eyrnour, W. D. Dalrymple, Viscount Kendall, N. Srn;th, J. A. Deedes, IV. King, P. - Smollett, A. Denison, J. E. Kinnaird, A. Stafford, A. Dod, J. W. Layard, A. H. Stirling, W. Drummond, H. Liddell, H. G. Taylor, Col. Duke, Sir J. Liiidsay, W. Tyler, Sir G. Duncan, G. Lovable, Lord V ance, J. Dundas, G. Lowe, R. Vivian, H. H. Egertol, E. C. Maguire, J. Walcott, Admiral Ewart, J. Montgomery, Sir G. Warner, E. Fagan, W. Morris, D. Whitmore, H. Ferrer, .1 Mowbray, J. Woodd, B. Feilden, M. , Naas, Lord Yorke, E. Fergus, J. Newark, Viscount Forster, Sir G. worth, Col. J. Fox, W. Otway, A franklyn, G. Packe, C. TELLIES MUMS, U. Whiteside, J. BY INTELLIGENCE. The Bellerophon, 78, Captain Lord George I'aulet, was put. out of commission on Saturday at Portsmouth, and the remainder of her crew paid wages and granted 15 days' leave. Rear-Admiral Baynes returned to Portsmouth yester day from leave, and rehoisted his flag in the Retribution, 28, Captain Fisher, as third in command of the Baltic Fleet. The Malacca, 17, Captain Farquhar, was undocked yesterday at Portsmouth after refit, and got up her steam outside the jetty to prove her engine before going to Spithead to join the fleet. The Cruiser, 14, screw-sloop, Commander the Hon. G. S. Douglas, and the Falcon, 14, Commander Pullen, were ordered yesterday afternoon to prepare for sea, and they both had the " blue peter" flying when this in telligence left (6.30 p.m.) Pprtsmouth. The Rolla, 6, naval apprentices training brig, Lieut. Fenwiek in charge, will be docked to-day to repair a few defects. The Avon steam-vessel returned to Devonport from Portsmouth yesterday, and the Sprightly to Ports mouth from the Downs yesterday. The Porcupine steam-vessel arrived at Portsmouth yesterday afternoon from Sheerness, with supernumeraries for the flag-ship Victory. The Retribution tested the deviation of her compasses in Portsmouth harbour yesterday. LATEST FROM GIBRALTA.II, By the arrival of the steam-ship Iberia, which reached Southampton yesterday, we have the following items of naval and military intelligence from Gibraltar :—On the b l o 6p rd A 9 p o ri l l io t r h s e es S f r o ,a r n c i o sh nv s e t y ea a t n u c e I e r to n ß de a p ia e k nd ia i v en a t f e or took on the use of the British army. She had also on board a corporel and six gunners of the Royal Artilery, besides seven civiliaur, who go to take charge of the horses. She left for the East on the 17th inst. This steamer will, after discharging her freight in the Crimea, be despatched to Alicante for the purpose of taking up another shipment of the same kind to Balaklava. The Lucifer, a small steamer, of 85 tons, with some wooden huts and clothing for Turkey, arrived at Gibraltar from Liverpool on the 17th. On the 18th the sailing transport Canterbury, obs f rufoopucmpnaldriCleifsoso.nlres,stBapnhi passed te t b i n eh o aa p dd l . e on and Malta, put into Gibraltar for thhe b e o ß a rw r i d teiss i t n hw v sa a ard l i i l d i n s ogn fr t o irh m ael t sl h pB e otri2 Crimea City of Carlisle, passed to the westwarcj on the 18th. On the same day the Sardinian brig Regina Esther took on vboeyaardnc3e2thootrhseesEafrsotm. Athebogmarbrairdsoinerat ch ' ar aGn e dib o rfia it eta h g e ru' a nf n on i r m ersco al no s f the Royal Artillery are p l aced in .. She left on the mor n i ng o f the 19th, in g tow of her Ma jesty's steamer Medusa. The British barque Lord Raglan was ma king rapid progress towards completion for the reception of horses. The Sardinian brig Enock has likewise been chartered for the conveyance of horses. The Earl of Durham, steam-transport, and the Samuel Laing, left for Plymouth on the 20th ult. The screw steam-transport Tynemouth had arrived at Gibral tar, with invalids from the seat of war, fn. Portsmouth. The following is a list of her passengers :—Captains Hugessen, 57th, Falkner, 30th, Vernon, R.A., O'Brien, Carden, and Kent, 77th, Purcell, 50th, Lieutenants Tucker, R.A., Antrobus, 50th ; Irby, 90th - Harbord, 71st ; Cambier, Radcliffe, and Boulton, R.N. ; St a ff. Surgeon Saunders, Assistant-Surgeon Scott, 57th ; Mr. Purchase, Mr. Markham, Mr. Trelwing, 223 non-com missioned officers and privates, including servants, and five women. Two deaths occurred on the passage from Scutari to Malta. The British screw steam-transport Argo, which arrived at Gibraltar on the 19th ult., shipped some horses or the Crimea, and took her de parture on the 21st. The screw steam-transport Vic tory, from Plymouth, arrived at Gibraltar on the 21st: ARTILLERY FOR THE MORTAR VESSELS. A detachment of the Royal Marine Artillery, under the command of Captain G. S. Rigby, consisting of First-Lieutenants E. H.Starr, H. Hewett, and F. W. Festing, with 6 sergeants, 4 corporals, and 33 gunners, embarked yesterday afternoon at 3 p.m. in the Pigmy tug, and were. conveyed to Spithead, and put on board the Rosamond, 6, paddle-sloop, Commander Crofton, for passage to the eastward to join the new mortar vessels about being despatched, under charge of Captain Win e .x, of her Majesty's ship Odin, to the Black Sea fleet off Sebastopol. Each mortar vessel will have six of these valuable and experienced marine artillerymen. MILITARY. THE MILITIA. The Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland his issued his warrant for the embodiment of the Armagh Artillery, which is to 'be stationed at Moy. All the militia artillery in the northern district are to be under the orders of the artil lery authorities at Chatlemont. The Leitrim Rifles, which muster only 176 rank and file, were embodied on the 26th of December last. They have 25 officers present, being about seven niu to each officer ! The Royal Tyrone Fusiliers are deficient more than cne-half of their establishment, having only 4(30 rank and file present, and their e-tablishrnent is 1,000 men. They were embodied on the 4th of January last. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. CLERKENWELL.—Joscph Parhtint6., a railway constable, was charged with stealing a portmanteau with its contents, the property of his masters, the Great Northern Railway Company. John Radford said—l am and was constable in the service of the Great Northern Railway Company in March, 1854. The' prisoner was my sergeant all the time. On the morning. of the '2sth of karelt, 1854,, the prisoner came to me, when I was on duty at the Somers• town-gate, and ordered me to go round the potato-market - on - the line. It wai part of my duty to see that all was safe, and I went. The round would have taken me half an hour, but I did it in about 20 minutes, and when I returned I found the prisoner in my police-box. He had a portman teau in his possession, which he was trying to break open with a piece of iron' bar. The portmanteau prii duced is the same one. He did break it open, and took out out the contents and made a parcel of them, and took them away. Re at the same time placed the port manteau in a cupboard in the police-office in the station, where it remained for several days. Then Sergeant Parminter took it away openly at 12 o'clock in the day. . Some time after an altercation took place between Mrs. Parminter and a Mrs. Alexander ; and then, on the 26th of May, they brought it to my house with other . things ; they lay there one night, but I said I would not have them remain there, and they were rentoved t Afterwards the portmanteau was brought to my box at the station, where it remained until Mon day week, when, after the charge of the, other prisoners, Sergeant Parminter came to me, about 5 o'clock in the evening, and said, "I have been sent by Sergeant Wil liams to know where the portmanteau is." I told him that it was in the country. sir. Corrie—Was that true ? Witness—No, it was not, your worship ; but he re plied, " Let it remain there, and I will get another for you to take to Mr. Clarke's office as the portmanteau asked for, for Sergeant Williams has committed depreda tions, and has got others into it." I said•l would, and then he asked me to meet him and Williams in the Cale donian-road at 12 o'clock on the following day. At 9 o'clock in the morning of that day, however, Parminter called at my house, at 8, College-grove, Camden-town, and said, " I have brought this thing to you." (a portmanteau produced) "this is it." I. replied, "But it is not so big," when be said, " You mast make it do ; you can take it to the lower office." I under stood that to be the office of Mr. Williams the inspector of the line, he r.marking again, " Sergeant Williams has committed depredations, and got others into it." I afterwards met him in Brewer-street, Somers-town, when be asked me whether I had taken the portmanteau into the office. I said to him that a metropolitan officer bad had it from me, and I supposed he had taken it there. Mr. Clark had previously seen the p o rtmant eau, and marked it. He then replied, " viss dragg ed I ° it." On the same day later, I saw Parminter sirsizr geant Williams together in Chapel - s treet, beer with them, but nothing e d to being concealed Constable Francis, 146 S, de p os o 'and smomateter. in Radford's house , overhearing had d s ac"versati Radford. re ceiving the Laissing portinauteau from wPasenstrd about examine the witness our worship ; but I wish to be re- Prisoner—No, your (this day), when I ded with bail until to-morr ow Mr. Corrie asked the prisoner if be wished to cross- I man will give to Mr. worship will at once discharge me. Wakeling, that you'. • I cannot admit you to bail, but you may Mr. Come-- • to-morrow to allow your solicitor to come again explain hope, from the instructions that your suggestion. TO prisoner was then removed. TOR' GREAT HANDCOCK. V. DELACOLIt CASE.—The Lord Chancellor of Ireland stated on Saturday that, in his opinion, Mr. E. R. Handcock was not bound as one of the next of kin by any decree, order, or compromise in either of the suits, and that, therefore, he was not en titled to have them reheard. THE SCREW STEAM-SHIP SULTAN.-SOUTHAMPTON' Monday. —'l he Stilton ' ' , team-ship, which has recently been convert( d into a screw, tlok a private trial trip to day, and the speed a tained was highly satisfactory. The Sultan has alto been lengthened, and undergone various improvements snd alterations. OCIL'II OP PAINTERS IN WATER COLOURs.—On Sa• ter lay a distinguished company of the nobility -and amat airs of the fine trts visited the gallery of the abo a vl society, in Pall-mall East, previous to its being_ ttoliethDe pukubeliaent,hi companyNorthumberland,ispduacyhy.essAatifiothe and Duchess of Argyll, the :I;: b rquis the Earl of Car• Marquis and N archi (mess of A des 'l a cy ; Earl and digau, Earl and Countess of El t l e e s s a ra nt !Effingham, Coun tess Grosvenor, Earl and Countess ani Lady Overstone, and Laay St. Leonards, and Viscountess Ch_elsNeini,3 ford, Litchfiel 4,,ant Eton, the Provost of the Right Hon. . Labouchere, lency Musur h Lord and Lady Monteagle, Lord of L w a the ns l POtecne Dukel, Lord r Lord Ravensworth, Viscount the Bishops of Lon don, 0i- N - chester, the Dean of St. Paul's, , the Right Hon. Sir Charlt is Wood, -F 'Si ° r Charles Grey, the Right Ho t . I. Henri the Right Hon. Vernon Smith, hit I Excel' us Bey, his Excellency Count Larra dio, the e of ß th oy e a u l A oya cad uk em ca y d , e S m i y r , E 4 d c w .2 in az l c. c,aideeer, Prnarensyidmenatmobferts