The Sun. — London, England, 1855-05-01 00:00:00

gle t e l -------____"---'"--- h Company ea 04gr4Ph Were intercepted by the Telegraph p, rn r way to the papers and used by them for their T o e w ie n . 4,,, e 5. Now the Principle on which the Electric h intruYsted t despot'NrnPan 'had l beenconducted was that Oynertye being aware ' of its conten w t as a then was delivered to the pers. t:liehre°ualgbityre:eandadaredsosetd,eNvitwisnt any one, except the cler s k . Itby tehtleivieheetrin Pah l l c iZ aa.anY intellsi&i,e4aes,ser'eceived in any omp any to we half e e w , r a e P l a e P g e r r a s ; itirasiin m e d la t rn e 1 transmit notyannepl the ic,c,)rY. When the list oft he killed and ever • e attle of the Alto& arrived in this country, before_ _,..,„, ~ 44 hour it and eip a i to was transmitted by-the telegraph to erYP'''- 4theiartoth!r;, ob, Iva in the United Kingdom —to Aberdeen Y Unded at E eter on otgoo on the one hand, and to Plymouth and x at inter est al the transints and be should certainly look wtithvery great Idea touultne passing of any law to prevent nrchased a Parts of the country of news of such universal iv of Elf ric Telegraph .ColEnPan7 p rice was re- Nd, these "les, in which such inteinge ce,...,r and they telegraphed it down to every town hours4Pffl, then the teCi:_Y., but, if they were not to de that, if t and ikitecla' ter, and the article itself would be extractedlhave might n we in re t n h o e Tinfes would be sent down five or six cak, ,la the Exchange-rooms- or whereve mould a ~ Jilat exaety in th e (I the same m"" it. oaly Electricaser the Company transmitted intelligence some 4, 4 r , ence was that the public saw the ~nry done ' ras it hi!,ve been to tin oefore they otherwise would do, and the inj 4,14,? Papers win the same ; it was neither morenorle . ss y , pa,;toe,pul4lie enjoyed all the benefit of the transmitting f .,_ m p . ,T i ! ) _El• It 'as a distinct rule with the Telegraph ProviZ ii°9llog should be transmitted that any did not takeoolTY printed in the newspapers. The C 0.1% oil th:Stisolvestheresponsibilityoftransmitti. d by the hoe, own authority, but, they been explaine had not been kutit'cilerber for Manchester stated that they certain ittell freca the Tench the Post, or the Heral d ought to k eow eketuce of great interest which the public pause, g a n Yttrhainnsg evee if pee,. lie thought that the House ought to thezer„l? Chancellor of the Exchequer had n law as thstiarlll° of, pausing, before they passed any such not for the in tet,ea, „ yed iu the present clause. It was shuld not • t set them N is LT fihe telegraph company that this clause against the ' l4 to e i c l ' a w; he as a public man should vote of 41,3 4 t as far ad his private interest as ehair uld be TedPh Company was concerned, nothing co be cae,e a:Avattageotts than that this clause should pass, corn kore.fnepeblic must have intelligence, and if 'oneDant lie, 04thaelllt,swa,nted the prices of wheat at London or . allow ed , Li st) must have it, and if the company current, to tak e t,,,,ce transmit from the Times the prices would be ire e ,,, "Jell, of course under the present clause were not 44'sVelia 41 ° 11 4 case each individual merchantwould i e is Week ,"Nannait a private message for the pr-c-1; Pen d t ?' of treat advantage to the Telegrap eCireral. lotereet'aut a great disadvantage to the He did 'not 'ha e i of the couotry (Hear, hear.) d con room Who alarm oft he.member for Oldham, an n ki the et4tshoat he could not understand why her openaral that N e y .4 owe rendered copyright protection necessary ta now g if it the Soli. 4 4. b cecessury before They ,haulddbanfitooolddedbyby a mim. It a e n r c e l; e ter . c! paper44.taall newspa t o n. the news of the Lon d do t n o 14 1.0 i ' but these sPineZeZvalionaLnp:rs could not eeeld teitelligence transnaitteda-thiongh the telegra a p ff h o ; r t i ley h 14 4 at ,11.13' take it from the IWanchester paers' nm at w cost, any ir -,„a,t,lwesent, obtain their intelligence seme *0414' 'unto, at third, not first hand, the cheap papersthe hop . ,__ e obliged to take their intelligence. But when penny e ey-clo' NiZeher for Oldhara, in these days of b n ecause Par, e , e eh cheap publications, told them, _ f this Z'itlat'Y an'aelt(:li, they must doteriorat? presstieu Bhue (Mr,. ip.skiel is _ , their articles roust be min l o t a ell il i te ' iti Z t ;i4 mistaken hon. gentleman's liberality y ib i l u e ~ for he dine think cheapneasr from think- Z t hat ei; il'Ofear.) He (Nlr. Ricardo), lretli i „7p am ,' ,l , as.ure would render the astb.inJurions to the morals of their morals. su the periodicalpeo people, papersle, b e . 5 Lel' "laR Would te d more to elevate . . • hbat,Bttweeitaipwaildelliworaeaover, th u at the p tiblie h c a o d u . ld T and to 44, 1 j4 ' 115 8 of wh geed and What was not to buy an sad it at they ought o r ought discriminate kr. hb was not forthis hone, 3to decide for them. - tlnt,gltitli:Tri-NU,EC said thattl3Solici disposed of all ilftiznteeotte candour than courtesy, . nPnadck's)- side o f the tor-General, sPeak 1. toietellinat't‘hese(clau"sehbys (t Via l :that they 7 ere r the i,OO (1140 de,htatioos \vial h as 11 1 men on this side . oc.. the 0 nlgiaaaterd to .iudidge en ... e Without troublin. tibl'aselieitcp..,ePetitiou of these, bad misrepresented litit:gtuzeiTs euaseerdal that . it was he whotinek,e) in u e o f . tb o e f arguments,. m he would tell litlithe d ee The Solicitor el holes T i h r.. l ß ales n o stated that pearstide, oNeratchniniatration o e f • ruastice‘ li must be put on one so ta4 ler,''icarrY out this jclause, This, 'to ' i'.'4l4, aath°ritY, was a conclusive argumentcl coming itll4 a , toTld after such au admission there with member for Pon: against / tot, i i , td i_ his that the hon. puzzling friendcinea belittle '44,414 th, : ', ~u Ma speech, raised so man 7, his hon. he (I tp toi to oovernment that he was afraid and that. C lol, 14ight)ch°". thena to try some other scheme, t,„ ereLue,, ae risen to exprea B an involve themll 'ej: t het gL ft e ad already, so many puzozprng° questions be . pei,;l_lia thr o. Y had better not unnecessarily le 4 .'"lla to, (Laughter.) Th,e house agreed d with, P a p e tit,'lng, eitg,,°,_,carried on or vow, eonnecte remunera -0 tog' the m " ll N do a• ' • h would be hould be -odeleir oin a way Ndm that it s the Pre leat reoiniteat,e, hut it did no b follow aiming ~ ere that a r. paperbawniwehthch haa 1 4 (1 4,„(Efear) - rr :• 1 3' a clause so em rr o f all o.f:n ex, IN ''''' ° loot t ... 1 t .m 3 Y took the ther 1e,,,,"1 th e 1 0 carenlate intelligeneel which of all other to DI N , troa, gi3Bt SIIMS to obtai a it, at nmos t liable _ for Y ' th e h r ' valne of its information, no necessiz Nt'tese op'e. would find that there for years thein men , f tiel d ', ll e b„ t.bl" kind, for it hod been number of lt 44,1 baps 'ailleai e l• . that any Times. t,atilot followed. peal ation _ ci. to the it made no x Rli tlt 4 .son to co ,-"0 ants matter; to complain . k t , , I:A l t , , ,_, Plain of t a leader At this Ik,thill„ used ,0118 question as 44 rtt .b slot) which • l a grievance, had been tit ,Iltt,.' w ith the TiMight toe surely, if there ht ut . 4, / ''''o of Ats at sd. could su have y' been brought e 1,.., k . SliCeess a de -1 h Yla ,, the stn Paper . ing all that one e , hti ,Bee ' lout 4 .,,t0P and containing t be establis . h d, e°t4' t4,ltiot °!''' a Papor could no mr.Bright) t. ta,,f_ restrict the a I Times. He • till he osetto.d..sra Maucheste a' e of the . the Times . . 1 4 t alluzLy w t. , r c,oold not obtaii? n twn, residing 0',;10„. %rues's-street j er '''a, smut when 1-.- it till 12 or 1 111,114, anti one d ay ' 1," "onld not obtain 1, to buy one that Zweveneer t,,t4 Zoett. h e , e . o t from hi s du „, and licre eta'nold give hitt°l ,l'orne e Quid not get a T,Cl'.;tain. 1).„.t: °i l l the h,,,, h '- a ' l ( i for ev ery copy. . he could from', all parties fr o e ' Nil, and a PaPitr 'bringing news _ithheld , ti„,, p4l,,lrating it, 111(41?leg had hitherbo ro w ouies_ statsp. 1,111,0111 g the re i eadifig articles and co the s tets but 118,had 41(1,41 a beaper at 2d., and payingeveral Pa' eti ett2 t. ,'"af failed,,_ o n attempted by - s.audecie lint t i, ° 4 4 E0 al, , tt c 'oe of them had been t e dc .°Y did liOt let th: lett 7, to the Times— (laughter)le going oil er ', 1,,1d even niaq n -- tineB know what they were the t o 0 . 0 1 the rte , -- a cootract to obtain steam oing Th"balti th e ,te --(ltighter)—so that they wereone. he (14aPer, if itaatal the T imes in more senses than and est ,1 1 l his honer,., o ut, did not last for many days, int ee(reitilistanee awe,. the member for Oldham itioadrette_ .iraet.t They h a l u i l_ell an attempt of the k th a t ind about the 14a 411 PaPers ~meard a great deal sad en thi, eu Wer e •u a'ri.,,t he geoerally found say on tat beatioel ih'itlicltY as to what they shouldi., eele,l24Pes ; he was alwaya had a kick at tlr . I ' a et,411 he h ad 4. sorry. that he had not Ver me l. of 300 tle eu,..3 e.biplyea (3;_'' „orne containing: a list had NtiortYright jo 41 _ 11 i:11,0 Aew York Trzhune. _ an corn -4!1(1 eel Piracy fr'erion, and they never heard Y the Courier, Se , 0 , - er Piracy ° lb the New York Herald, a delu %ad ' l° People like P a pers ; the whole thing wa s t first thi, e".this w as 81-pel Amery what they wanted sae_ in l'or o,°_Antry, (14`22a ca, and would be te en m" got up 'f 4114' keeteii-"4r.) The piracy questioo ha 4 members 1 iii 1513 houße fromt' the purpose of preventin browght i, tt Y the 0,..., looking with favour on the bill e _ fet;(lllcetriii,.""or of the Exchequer, or that will n member kid aford e r , ; 41 e . predecessor the right hon. (M Bright) trettlesed th V.°llltY. The last time he .-I.* Waph b ot n the (-ouae ou this subject, he read a Pairi% was teatlal4 the re ' i",?Pie from. a Cambridge paper, aet those .415 041enwho dot f piracy, as it stated e ea l of it htsr ah _ had been. most concerned in the r pe_ono,e top thi, V'e‘ropreparing to bring out a paper, to b ao it ytereitee clieur?„alerl4g kind of business, andble yinem" ea, - Who eatr'' 1 , 1 (r. Bright) and hononra i lac ed io ear him with this intention. The paragraph erybody Co rj. : oats the Pl'orainent part of the paper, and of the 1.,„ ,o if tit indt,uation which exited p in the mind , '" la e r. , 'i i '' t * e • of piracy, th e , 0 took t , 0 'lad a Mind as to the questa.ori.ng ti out to , 4 1 ) f/11,,e toe, the Car that occasion of nn un.__r_ t h e 44d d in 4 ' 'tie Gtobe woo the most expeditious , Ive This Oft, if heNatit pirate th y had in this country. This al ii and carried''- would suppress the G lobe oro fer:!? ftia„``, what did the would suppress the G lobe al th'e Globe say when it :eva l.fdif_ iltibptpoieCfed at the question then from an entartep/aper i l er lA ft . " 4l 4 °l..„,,°ievf• (Hear, and a laugh.) Ti,„afinitely I.l,el::°,rcibl -71ing article against this clFusetnf ta d said ` 4 Bt t- ' l4 fa,: '11". biore loeical than anything 1- elusively ,t the Cl ° lb' of Ru c h a ,e'r„ision, showing o.on f it were 1114.11et45, Zi4e, would be' most injurioss, and if had '14,1 the m°l4". ttnilist. The Solic . itor- e f G lianchest . er, Tiete., en to Piracy in the city ?. in which I'dileitudige„. of that reoruino had an article aper there ''' l ti I,,,l'ili' -4° 4 was • •'t a threepenny P That paper lit,i•-•;ie t l i l l ied t 0.... 8 eavilleee! a in the Time 4" doubt be tlt 1 1 4 0 4 ed t t t : i Si 2 e wof tiiiPeTage and would no a u s o abolished ; Ilected Iv ettlo e ° lv, er price when'the sta m Y s no pereonco tripy 0,411 th tt'tklertalcs to say, there a w e that one . single - "ettee„' that .me rtrae4 who Nvoitld declare Manchester in con e w4 'ea of t)'l4°4l.llal the less was sold in portions of its now,' Its , I.le Smkller papers' which . too question had the t con no ° I . the 'Shoed that ,the paper in _ ia ., u b e f ore i F(.O. ?ebliotthattle of the Alma just one u *Manchester l itl c l ' ,s4't, th,r i - 111 London and the . , ener geti vape4l -.„4.14"he,,,ter Ex aminer, the, Mercury, LJeasvery °o 4ti s 4l, l ab-' that class frequently nanu_i:_es of the I ta, ent , 0 ,? correepondents in some p rbetvearly news he t,l,lllbli'teptat it did not follow that because therefore, tttie"cen f r .,„ 'llO Manchester it must nece ly esarl f intelligence frotetN ituti./3,1 Loudon papers. 4. piece o have come direct th e 7 ,' lope, t.," Manchester press might me as that'll a NI ~4 1' .3 ; It ' 'Pugh in might be almost the se . ower to th p Ni t d os 'tli, Was the T i mes to be armed wi respectable iett°;.4 hefere Manchester, and drag the whole ques tla4l,l4l/41 hee,:we justices of the peace ? The by the dis til, (ne I , th ioi l l l . torn to Pieces, and shattered d he hoped 11.1,2141aq' 041 taken place that evening, an ith the 4 lt e '' klitl tv° r q the Exchequer would agree w the ll T ie p m oe houme would a g ee with him, that _____.., 11 ' IIS CI witborit an of theseobnoxious clauses. (Ilea_y_ 11 'll ti. AN- 0 „ ... Y o CHEQUER—I aPPru. h`kr'ds"l'e ie I:'`4 o f th e EX as it at present tiq‘.' fiew,„,„ doubt that, by the . law for he orig l na' cetto aad ytotPers do enjoy a copyright them In law, .I see,."e it "..,,aer Pphs inserted by . blication is 'I e;lratee o '"akes nogg difference whether a publication It is Pr e , \'', d oetr,•-„r aPPeara with the name of the au . heard c!op-°"eti ta•'"---•now to m e at least—which I have a .1, Yrt -°lght th• 'essary, in order to enjoy r ske , th at 2, awes nec author should aPPea • °Jele't ieetao:elleth of the eneyelopzeriin. kti,,,%114 Publisilin: ~, anonymous the articles unquestionan IttiZl wor''lt'aili" coPVright Is a poem, a history, or .allearri.) t i tf 4%, holtiblialied with the name of the author. (if that the greatest hincni" e;i'er .heen fenn d in practice at to copyright ittiri,ther4, itewspaplear claimesnofjorcsing.ithneelwegspaaper propriet . or .o c e a o n . bet",to pi&fee apply°lo.a court of equity for o he i n nj that biiilication'Ypilit the 4,, Publication of an artiF t le, h a w nv proba 'lntl?: °I. 8ee.,,,, - "Phemeral, nor can dams Iv es In intro nhe, g a ule:e, enter an action g fur • h the * number of t e I A li 'lll'o, therefore, by which it was felt i ~ ,e a ,, ,Peri Would be largely augmented, iitti, -44t,ter nf the proprietors of ex wh• % tiewg - cotemon Justice to effectual remedy by violeh the.rPaper3 to gi ve th em an ced With that lutv[,,the elinp'egent rights might be enfor tion . of the coin the`elio'n! now under the c . onsidera . ern, to them, as it was tilt 4R4lwt.ttit titir,:ipsroed mid snbta-ted-: and interests cf.exttsatt iiitinesitlP4aapers.' 1141afirdthaet rights i f erthe manner in whnioT,con qiiit 1 4 ii ll e 4 l : been rectal; ed on both sides, dol atter further, tOitte hall e .tabent upon me to press the matter on the corn t e, Qt. therefore press the clause up ..., was, hat this (Nora.) The object which I had in '7i-1;e corn ikttee, taltte,,tien should bej fairly considered by the state of 18.1 v, aadt"Y Might see what was the existing 0 an. " far it met the circumstances of th c If they believe that there is no danger of considerable abuse, and if they prefer to wait until the effect of the pre sent measure has been felt and developed in practice, so as to see whether any additional remedies are needed, I can make no objection to that course, and therefore I shall not think it necessary to press this clause. (Hear, hear.) Mr. DISRAELI—I am very glad to hear the right hon. gentleman has come to that conclusion. He has told us that as the law now stands newspapers have a right to copyright. No doubt there are many rights which exist at present, but which are never asserted. There is the right of free warren, for instance. (Hear, and a laugh.) I know a great meny individuals who possess that right, but I don't suppose there is any one who would exercise it. The hon. member for Manchester has spoken of our press as compared with the American press, and has alluded to the fears of those who apprehend that very injurious con sequences are about to ensue to our press. Now, I believe myself that the tendency of this alteration in the law is to assimilate the press of this country to the American press. The tone of the American press is not occasioned by laws of this kind, but that tone is lower than the tone of the English press because it is the press of a younger country —(hear,'hear)—and, therefore, there are many influences at work in England which have elevated, and which will raise for a considerable time, the tone of the English preset, because that tendency is to lower its enterprise, the amount of capital invested in it, and the degree of talent enlisted in the exercise of its functions. We have, how ever, at the present moment opportunities of counter acting to a certain degree what we may consider the in jurious effects of the proposition of the Government in this particular case. I think we are bound, if we do not admit a-copyright—and lam myself opposed to any such admission, because I think that, in the first place, it is on a great scale impossible, and in every respect vexatious —I say I think we 'are bound to facilitate as much as possible the competition of the newspaper which invests and employs a larger capital, and which engages a greater amount of talent than all those journals which are in a very different and contrary position. (Hear.) My own opinion is, that the proposition of the Times newspaper, which has been alluded to this evening by one or two members in a certain spirit of derision, is a just and sound proposition ; and if you say that you will give no copyright to &newspaper at present existing, you aro bpund to facilitate in every possible manner, its means of competition with all other journals which may pirate its news and its intellect. At the proper time, therefore, I shall support that amendment which will propose that newspapers should circulate by the post without any limi tation of weight. I think, under these circumetances e you will be able to remove to sonic extent the injustice which must necessarily be committed, and which no one can doubt in theory exists as regards the newspaper which invests ca pital and engages talent, when placed in opposition to the journal which does neither the one nor the other. But, practically, will it happen, that an established London newspaper existing on the,present scale will suffer by this kind of competition ? I doubt it. At the present mo ment (as has been remarked almost to surplusage in this discussion) the system of piracy exists. At your club you may receive information of what occurs in this house this very evening. You can get the news of the debate there, but does that prevent you from taking in the morning pa per which gives you that debate more at length and more authentically ? The same principle occurs when you come to compare the circumstances of a distant town with those of the metropolis. The public will always go to the foun tain head. There is no possibility by any piracy, or by cribbing in the contemptible mode in which all these forms of larceny are executed, of your competing with the origi nal article —that which appeals to your sentiment, your reason, and your sense of utility in a thousand ways which the stolen articles fail to do. And I feel persuaded that we shall not in the long run lower the tone of English journalism provided we study, byevery possible means, to facilitate the communication of intelligence. lam asked to give a copyright in news. Now, my idea is, that it is my duty to facilitate the communication of intelligence, and, in order to facilitate the communication of intelli gence, I must not give a copyright in news, but rather devise some mode by which intelligence can be circu• lated, so that the largest number of people in the country can become acquainted with it. An hon. gentleman, anti cipating that the principle of copyright in newspaper liter ature might be conceded, has ventured to maintain that the only condition on which that principle ought to be conceded is, that no copyright should be allowed in the case of anonymous literary compositions. By the present law of England we do not in point of fact give a copy right to au anonymous writer, because it is the possessor of a copyright and not the creator of a copyright, who by our laws possesses a vested right in the composition. (Hear, hear.) lam far from inclined to throw any discourage ment upon the proposition of my noble friend the member for Northumberland ; indeed I have more than once had the pleasure of conversing with him on the subject. No doubt there is something that recommends itself to every manly mind in the principle that every one should be re sponsible for the sentiments he expresses, but if you come to practios, it is very doubtful whether you will be able to secure that result. (Hear.) What law can you devise by which yon can secure that the writer of a leading article in a journal should certainly be known to every one who reads that article? You may pass a law making it incum bent that a name eshall be signed to each article in a news paper; but what name will appear? (hear, hear.) How can you secure that it will be the name of the writer ? No doubt there are circumstances under which such a law would increase the authority of the press. The writer who bears anillustrious name would not hesitate to sign it, and thus increase the influence of the artic,c, and the circula tion of the journal; but the writer who does not bear an illustrious name, though he may sign one that may become celebrated, will hesitate before he signs it ; and you may have one, formal and technical, but utterly inoperative for the purpose you require, and the result will be far from bringing under your scrutiny and supervision the names of those you suspect or wish to become acquainted with. My noble friend has spoken to-night of the calumnies of the public journals of this country. My noble friend thought himself justified, no doubt, in the remarks he made, from certain circumstances which may be fresh on his mind and memory ; but I think, on the whole, that my noble friend expressed an opinion that cannot be justified with regard to the news papers of this country. That they may be arrogant, that they may employ the liberty which, fortunately for this country they possess, in a manner which some of us inay often regret, is very possible ; but that the general tendency of their labours is to maintain the public spirit of the country and to guard and uphold the public liberties, I think no impartial person can for a moment doubt. (Hear.) Several hon. members, and particularly an hon. gentleman opposite, have referred to-night to an anonymous writing. Why, sir, anonymous writing is not the exceptiom, but it is the rule of the literature of this country. It (toes not apply to political literature alone, but it applies, on the contrary, to the whole of the literature of the country. Who wrote " Thomas a Kempis ?" Nobody knows. Who wrote the " Whole Duty, of Man ?" Now, there is a book which every one of us ought to have studied—(a laugh)— which for generations our predecessors have stvdied—and which has had more editions than any book in the world, and which is not a scandalous book, a libelldus book, or a political book, but which is an anonymous book. (Hear.) I noticed some anonymous works that occurred to me when the hon. gentleman was speaking, and leaving the higher order of literature—the religious literature— Thomas a Kemple" and the " Whole Duty of Man," let me ask . who was the author of " Waverley ?" An anonymous r Who was the author of "Robinson Crusoe ?" An anony mous writer. Who was the author o." A Vindication of • Natural Society ?" Why, he was on f e,who became after wards one of the most brilliant ornaments of this house, to whom we are always referring as the most eloquent of ora tors, the most profound of sages, and if we refer to him as a statesman it is only to abuse the Whigs for net having placed him in the Cabinet. I mean Mr. Burke. What are the most brilliant perform ances of political literature? What are these works that were written by one who in this house occupiedthehighest post, whose am ne will ever blives e re remembered, and whose oratory, though a tradition, in the memory of the nation—l mean Lord Bolingbroke. Whatare Lord Bolingbroke's works? All those works which we are continually quotiog are anonyineus. When told of anonymous writing, I referred naturally to the most bril liant and permanent creations of the imagination—and I find that the finest poem in the English language, if for a moment we forget Shakspere—the " Essay on Mae was 'an anonymous work. (Hear, hear.) Really, therefore, when we remember those instances which have only this moment occurred to me, and recall the hundred other exa mples which might be referred to, it is too absurd, in speaking of anonymous writing, merely to appeal to the leading articles of a newspaper, or to the political letters to which the hon. gentleman has referred. (Hear.) I cannot help thinking that in effecting a vary great change, which in its original conception I believe to have been just, but which, as applied by the present Government, seems to me to be uncertain, cumbrous, and unsatisfac tory, we have in this instance to combat and meet a diffi culty which it is in vain for us to cope with. We cannot give to the rumour, or to the whisper of the day or of the hour, even if authentic, the same permanent privileges which we would give to an epic poem or to one of those histories which are possessions for ever. We are bound to' give to the communication of intelligence the utmost faci lities which the law will permit, and the provisions of this bill, which are to limit and restrict the circulation of newspapers or works, on which so much intelligence is ex pended, so much talent employed, and so much capital used—the attempts to restrict the privileges of the post office according to the weight of the paper, by singling out the particular qualities which make it interesting to the multitude are, I think, not to be tolerated. But while you assert that all the news a journal circulates, all the charms of thought or expression it may diffuse, cannot have that n3iserable privilege and monopoly of a few hours which has been suggested, while you assert that that would be incompatible with our civilisation and the age and manners in which we live, at the same time it is in tolerable and not to be endured that we should by artifi cial restrictions hamper the circulation of intelligence. Let me impress upon the committee that it is our interest that the newspapers in this country should be supported by the capital and fed by the intelligence of the country, be cause it is only by this mode that we can retain the supe riority of the English press, and maintain that superiority over the American newspapers to which the hon. gentle man has referred. (Cheers.) --- Lord LOVAINE 'rose to explain that he had not pro posed to compel the authors of any articles, except those who claimed the right which would be conferred by the present clause, to sign their names. No man was more ready than himself to acknowledge the talent which was displayed by the writers in the public press, but it was the maxim of English law that no man could have a right in another's wrong, and upon that principle he thought that leading articles in a newspaper which contained libel lous matter upon individuals ought not to come within the protection of the law. Mr. J. G. PHILLIMORE d id not think that the " Essay on Man," referred to by the right hon. gentleman oppo site, was published anonymously, and as to " Thomas d Kempis," it was written by Thomas d Kempis, the author of another treatise entitled " De Imitations Christi." Mr. DISRAELI was sorry that the hon. and learned gentleman disagreed from him, but ho had in his possession a copy of the first edition of the " Essay on Man," and he could state that it was published anonymousW. Who Thotnas it Kempis was he thought no one had ever known, but if the hon. and learned gentleman could inform him he would be much obliged for the information. The clause was then negatived. Mr. MILNES r ose t o move a c l a use enacting " that every periodical publication that shall be printed and published at intervals not exceeding seven days between the two consecutive parts or numbers of such publications, and the superficies of which shall not exceed 3,500 inches of printed matter, shall be entitled to the said privileges of transmission and retransmission through the post, if duly stamped with the appropriate die of lir. ' p ro vided always that such publication s h a ll be subject io the terms and t conditions i imposed in th e third clause of this act." H e fehimself, he said, the member for Bucks had, his in a peculiarly difficult position in right honourable moving this clause, because " subject, anticipated almost everythingln to friend dealing h e had with i n a t n e o n t ( h i e e d r say with regard to it, and had in his eloquent Speech, Bo as compelled d tel i y a ( a lea gr lt eat he w with the subject that . nieas:ireto ls rely clupon his arguments. The immediate object of the clause which he held in his hand was to take as the measure which might be transmitted through the post for ld. a standard rather above that of the paper which had the largest circu lation. He might be asked why he had chosen dimension rather than weight. To that he would reply that in such cases weight was uncertain, and if the act became one of a permanent character, under the competition which it might give rise to there might arise circumstances connected with the manufacture of paper itself which would render weight no criterion as to the amount of matter contained, and he had, therefore, felt it to be his duty to shape his clause in accordance with the 17th of Victoria, cap. 3. He found that hie •right hon. friend the member for the University of Oxford, then Chaucellor of the Exchequer, when he brought in a bill to alter the Stamp Act, had thought that it was only justice to take as the measure for transmission by post the dimensions of the largest paper then in circu lation, and he (Mr. Milnes) now asked the committee, in altering the present law, to take as the measure of dimen sion th largest paper at present in circulation. It had been said that it would be much better not to enter on the question of weight or dimension, but to allow any daily paper to be transmitted by post for ld., without regard to its weight or size ; and it had been argued that by confining that concession to the daily papers it would be without the range of possibility that any very extraordinary weight would be imposed upon the Post-office. In reply to that opinion, the argumentum ad absurdum , had been used, and it had been asked whether, if the editor of a newspaper chose to wrap himself up in a copy of his own journal, he would be conveyed through the Post-office for ld. ; but the argument which weighed with him was, that he did not see how such a concession could be made to the daily pa pers alone without acting most injuriously and unjustly upon and against the provincial and weekly papers, and upon that consideration he had felt that he could not fairly argue the question upon the ground of conveying the daily papers through the post for ld. without any limitation whatever as to their size. He hoped that the Government would not have any objection to lay it down as a principle that the daily papers of the metropolis which had by their diligence, exertion and ability raised themselves to the position of distributing over the whole length,and breadth of the kingdom an amount of intellec tual matter never produced in the same way in any other nation, should enjoy a full share of justice, and that their chances of circulation should not be diminished at a mo ment when power was being given to very large papers to circulate an enormous number of copies within a certain radius without going to the expense of a stamp. It was, he thought, a matter of simple justice to papers which mem bers of that house bad become accustomed to look upon almost as political rivals, and of which it was impossible, however one might disagree from the principles contained in them, to-think without respect. All that those papers asked for was that they should not be placed in an unfair position, but that they should be allowed a reasonable chance of keeping up the high intellectual position which they now enjoyed. The late Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Gladstone) stated the other day that the question of weight was at present so nicely balanced that the railways were unable to carry into the country by the early train a complete supply of the Times; that portion of the paper containing news being sent by the early trains, and the supplement by later trains. He (Mr. Milnes) had made inquiries on the subject, and he found that, though the fact was true, the inference was entirelyfalse. The question was one depending altogether upon the manipulation of newspapers; and now, when the circulation of newspapers was so considerably increased in consequence of the war, the difficulty of manipulating the large number of the Times required to be transmitted by the early trains was too great to be overcome, and it was solely on this account, and not in consequence of the excessive weight, that one portion of the paper was conveyed by one train and the remaining portion by another. He did not think that, if the pre sent bill should be passed, it would have the, effect of destroying the great metropolitan journals, for he be lieved they had sufficient energy and power to overcome any difficulties to which they might be subjected by the measure. Hon. gentlemen were aware that when, during the last century a penny stamp was imposed upon periodicals it was predicted that such publications would be destroyed, but the Spectator, though shaken temporarily, not only survived the blow, but rose with redoubled vigour, and in the very last article, in the 7th volume of the Spec tator, - -Nir Richard Steele congratulated himself that that paper, by the buoyancy of its own merit, had attained an enormous circulation in defiance of the stamp. Although, however, the Spectator of that day, and the best periodicals , of the present day, might possibly survive such an injury, it was impossible to avoid the zetlection that the Spectator might have had a tenfold circulation if it had not been sub ject to a stamp. He had no doubt the newspapers of the present clay would derive great advantage from the aboli tion of the stamp which now limited their circulation, but he asked the committee, as a matter of public policy and justice,ito assent to his proposal. He did hot ask a privilege for one newspaper or another, but he asked them to enable every newspaper, metropolitan or provincial, to rise to the same height of intellectual merit, to deserve the same pub lic attention, and to exercise the same' influence over the country as had been attained and were exercised by the leading journals of the metropolis. He asked them to assent to his proposal in recognition of the merits of those great newspapers which formed their daily delight. If they neglected this opportunity they might have cause for per manent regret hereafter, when they discovered that they had destroyed or damaged an important means of promot ing the intellectual advancement of this country. Mr. COWAN thought he owed an apology, or at least an explanation, to the committee for not having pressed the amendments of which he had given notice. Having found, however, that those amendments were unpalatable to the Government, that they were objected to by the late Chan cellor of the Exchequer, and also by the noble member for Lynn (Lord Stanley), whose manly and independent con duct on this question did him great credit, he felt it would have been very unwise on his part if he had pressed them upon the attention of the committee. He thought, consider ing the various parties whose interests were affected, and taking into account also the transition state of the 'Pest office in connection with the duties it was called upon to discharge, that that house was a very unfit tribunal to de termine what amount of weight or charge should be fixed, and that the subject was one which should be left to the decision of the executive Government. He imagined that the Government would not be disposed to assent to the motion before the committee, which seemed to be based upon the assumption that the State must convey by post any amount of weight. There were newspapers in exist ence, such as the Illustrated London News, which weighed as much as 10 ounces, and if the committee agreed that newspapers of the dimensions of 3,500 inches should be carried at a rate of one penny, he did not see why they should not go a step further, and convey such papers as the Illustrated London News at the same rate. He would call the attention of the committee to the enormous weight of newspapers the Post-office now carried, as contrasted with what was the case 40 or 50 years ago. He found, from an article in the European Magazine of 1803, that the number of newspapers in England, in 1782, was 52 ; in 1790, 60 ; and in 1801, 135. The number of newspapers in Scotland in these respective years was 8,7, and 31; and in Ireland, 3,9, and 56. The circulation of the London morning papers in 1808 was 16,000; of evening papers, 14,000; of Sunday papers, 25 , 000 ; of weekly papers, 20000 ; and of others, 10,030 ; making , as the writer of the article ob served, the " enormous number" of 85,030 newspapers, using five tons of paper in the course of a week. There was another article on the subject in the European Maga zine of 1822, when the circulation of the Times was stated to be 5,700. The average daily circulation of that journal t a i t e tnhe of p t r h e e s e o n b t s t a im ver e w i n a s lB s t 2 a 2 t stated to s e b t a e t 6 e o, d O t o e o h . 6 T , 11 86 e o c , i n r c f ntlhae , Morning Chronicle 3,180, and of the St. James's Chronicle 3,700 ; and the writer of the article, after referring to the circulation extraordinaryo f other proof, onbfs theery e a e d t t i h v t t y t e h f e t h r e e s p u e l result r d e i cal press. How would the writer have been astonished if t h e e n d had ng s t e h e e n e t i h r the u p l a r t o i g e r n e s e s f that the had p b s e p e e n consumption of paper by the London p ress being five tons rssi?ncernmstnedade i o n f the week, as was the case in 1808, it was now between 130 and 150 tons weekly. He believed the Times alone, pub lished in one sheet, would consume 25 tons of paper weekly, and if published in two sheets the consumption would be annually 48,000 tons. Now what was done to wards des', .tching this enormous weight of newspapers by railway ? It was stated before the committee, which had considered the subject of the conveyance of mails by railway, that last year the average weight of the mails that left London daily was 279 cwt., of which 219 cwt. consisted of newspapers. It was clear that if the weight of newspapers sent by post continued to increase, duties would be thrown upon the Post-office which could not be properly discharged, and very considerable delay must probably take place in the transmission of the mails, not the ingenious contrivances that had been adopted for depositing the mails at the various stations without materially checking the speed of the trains. It appeared to him, then, very important that the house should impose such a rate of charge for conveying news papers as would duly remunerate the Post-office for the service it was called upon to perform. He believed that cheap newspapers, of a small size—about the size of those published 20 or 30 years ago—would be of great advantage to some classes of the community, for the newspapers now published, however ably conducted, were inconveniently large. If we were to have cheap papers,. why should we impose so high a postage as ld. for what perhaps might not weigh more than an ounce ? He was much disap pointed at the Government not taking the plan which he had pointed out to them into their favourable considera tion, as he believed i t would have proved beneficial to the press, to which this country owed so large a debt of grati tude. The adoption of the universal penny reoeipt stamp was likely to prove highly advantageous to the revenue ; and this fact ought to encourage the Government to make at least an experiment in the way of cheap postage for newspapers unnecessary for him ti argue that question. But let the committee recollect thitt a letter weighing under half-an ounce was sent for Id., while the largest newspaper printed and weighing nearly 6 ounces, was to be sent also for id., according to the propo s iti on of his hon. friend. (Hear.) Thus the privilege given to the newspaper was 12 times greater than that given to the letter, and in addition, there would be the pri v il ege o f retransmission. The news paper might pass 6 times through the Post-office in the week, and these two multiplied—the weight and the quan tity—it would be found that we were conferring on the newspaper 72 times the amount of postal privilege we were conferring on the letter. (Hear.) He did not see any argument of justice or - sound policy that could be urged in favour of such a proposal as that. In dealing with this question, the principle on which we ought to act was, to carry a certain quantity, say 4 ounces, of all matter, whether printed or manuscript, for the sum of ld. (Hear.) Let there be no distinction between printed mat ter and manuscript letters: On the other hand, we mast remember that we could not afford to loss any revenue, though, if we came to argue that point, it might be found that the additional revenue derived from letters weighing half-an-ounce was less than might be supposed, and, there fore, that that difficulty might not be so formidable as some people imagined. We should also have to tolerate another anomaly, and that was the privilege of retrans mission. Already we were sending eight times the weight of newspaper matter through the post for the same price at which we sent manuscript matter un der half-an-ounce, and that eightfold advantage we added to by sending the newspapers during the week for as many times as their owners pleased. He thought that sufficient allowance had already been made for these interests, and that, if the privileges were further extended, the committee would only confer .in another shape that which in a former case had already been abolished. (Hear.) Mr. LOWE was sure that the committee would believe him when he stated that he ventured to address them upon this subject with great reluctance, and that he should not be induced to do so did he not believe that he could give, them some little information with regard to it. The noble lord who had just sat down had argued the question as if they were about to establish a totally new principle for the conveyance of printed and written matter through the Post-office. It might or might not be right for the House of Commons to do so, but he would not enter into that sub ject, because it was not the question before them. The' question 'simply was whether ld. should be the amount of postage to be charged upon a cer t a i n quan tit y o f ma tt er publised at intervals within a certain date ? Whether that were just or unjust depended materially upon the principle which was applied in viewing the question, and he submitted that it should n o t b e th e pr i nc i p l e which had been laid down by the noble lord. It could hardly hays escaped the committee, and the noble lord must himself have felt it, that his argument suffered from some amount of inconsistency, 'because the noble lord was very much shocked at the disparity of carrying six ounces of a news paper for ld. and a letter, under half-sn-ounce, for the same amount; but the noble lord was not shocked at the dis parity, almost equally startling, of carrying fourounces and half-an-ounce for ld. They must fix upon a principle, however, and apply it strictly, fairly, and logically. The noble lord's principle would appear to be to treat news papers and letters as the same, and to apply the same rule of postage by weight to all. He did not gather how the noble lord intended to accomplish, this; but if he might be allowed the phrase, he thought that the proposition was " practically impracticable." If the noble lord took letters as his guide, ire would impose a rate upon news papers which, however just according to the noble lord's abstract theory, would effectually exclude them from the Post-office. If, on the other hand, he took newspapers as his guide, and carried letters at the rate of four ounces for ld., he would make such an enormous invasion into the postage revenue that it would be impossible to conduct the establishment upon such a basis; because. in the case of large concerns, a number of letters would be sent under one envelope, and the Post-of f ice would be defrauded. If he took letters, then, as his guide, he would exclude news papers from the Post-office, and if he began with news papers, he would charge too little for letters exceeding the ordinary weight to permit of the establishment being re munerative. He therefore submitted that the proposal of the noble lord was not a practical one. (Hear, heart) Let them look at this question as men of business, and what, he asked, was the fact ? The truth was that the Post office existed mainly and primarily for the purpose of car rying letters. Those letters paid the expenses of the Post office, and if it did not carry a single newspaper it would be impossible to diminish the expenses of the establishment in any respect, becaw a it would to necessary to maintain it for the purpose of carrying the letters alone. Mr. Rowland Hill had given his sanction to this statement, and there fore there could be no doubt about it. The principle, then, he apprehended, upon which the Government had hitherto proceeded was this :—Here was the Post-office existing for the purpose of carrying letters, and having, as it were, a surplus facility for carrying other matter, and Parliament, being of opinion that the conveyance of newspapers was a great public benefit which was worthy of being encouraged, had chosen to carry newspapers at a rate infinitely cheaper than that which was imposed upon letters, and to give them the privilege of being transmitted and retransmitted through the Post-office ad infinitum. (Hear.) . Unless the committee would grant him that there was some public pdlicy in carrying newspapers cheaper than letters, there would be nothing for it but to treat them both alike, and to charge newspapers at the same rate as letters. He concluded, therefore, that thare was some public policy in carrying newspapers cheaply, and he imagined that the Government saw no reason for changing that principle. That was the ground upon which he had started. In a country like this free communication, freedem,of knowledge, and freedonl of intelligence were the very lifeeblood of the constitution. (Hear, hear.) It was by such means that people acquired their information ; by it the public were made participa tors virtually in the deliberations of that house, and every one who addressed them in that chamber had the ad vantage of addressing in fact, the whole civilised world. He thought that that was no small advantage, and that it was one which the Legislature had clone wisely to consider. He came next to the question, what was the limit which ought to be imposed ? The limit at present was 2,295 inches. Was it enough or was it too little ? That was the practical question. He could only illustrate it by a refer ence to the most prominent case which existed—that of the Times newspaper—which had been frequently referred' to in the course of these debates. The case of the Times was this :—When it, printed 12 pages, as it did three days a-week, its limits did not exceed 2,295 inches, and it was then enabled to print its impressions upon a penny stamp; but when it printed 16 pages, as it did on three other days of the week, it had to pay an additional halfpenny in the shape of stamp duty, which, upon a sale of 60,000 copies, cost the, proprietors of the Times 125/. ; and when to that amount was added the extra expense of paper and print ing, he was told, and he believed it, that the extra supple ments were not remunerative. The proprietors of the Times, however, had no choice bat to publish these supple tnents unless they preferred to send away advertisements. It was a necessity imposed upon them by the nature of the news and the advertisements which they published that, three times a-week, this additional expense of 125/. a-day should be imposed upon them. Were that a uniform charge upon the proprietors of the Timei it might be met by an addition of one halfpenny to the price of the news paper, and then the expense would be transferred to the reader ; but as the charge was only an occasional one, it fell upon the Times itself. He would scorn the notion of arguing a question of this sort with reference to only one newspaper ; but the matter affected a whole class, and what was the case with reference to the Timesto-day might be that—and he sincerely hoped that it would be—of other newspapers in a few years. See how the circula tion of the Times itself had increased within the last few years. In 1808 it was somewhere about 5,000, in 1841 it was 11,000, and now it was 60,033. What was there to prevent the other papers doing the same thing? Upon what principle, then, he asked, should they fix a limit upon the size of newspapers ? Why insist that newspapers, after exceeding a certain size, should pay an increased amount of taxation ? Upon what ground should they select a par ticular stage of advancement in a newspaper in order to levy a severe fine upon it ? The committee appeared to be of opinion that there was no limit to the size of a daily newspaper; but that he apprehended to be a mistake—the very circumstances of the case put a limit upon the size. First of all there was a natural limit. The news of the day and the advertisements of the day, to be followed by the news and advertisements of the next day, imposed one limit. Another limit was the quantity which a man could possibly read and get through in the course of a day • and he was certainly inclined to think that that limit had reached already. But, besides these, there was another limit which was certain to prevent the increase of news papers beyond a certain size. It was quite obvious—for considerations palpable enough—that it was not the inte rest of the daily newspaper, however large and well con ducted, to raise its price above its fellows, and therefore it was that we had the publications of the Times and the Globe sold at the same price. It was not a case in which the proprietors of the former journal could raise their price because the competition of other newspapers kept down the price to their limit. There was, therefore always a struggle on the part of that journal to keep itself within the amount which it could publish without a loss in its cir culation. There were two sources from which a newspaper derived its income—its sale and its advertisements. There were also two sources of expenditurethat which was in volved in the circulation, and that which was implied in filling the newspaper with the matter which it contained. It was quite evident , therefore, t hat while the pries of the latter item incre ased, and that at which the news paperwicoop of that paper were ; and how did he ac coun t for it? How did th ey of getting getting a was sold remai ned the tame, the paper might grow at length to such an extent that th e " circulation " alone would cease to return a profit. e o m ne ium d the atdffibeiuichtY Under these circumstances , it was ab solutely necessary to put a limit to the increase of the circul ation. That point the Times had reached. The hon. g entle man the member fo r M copyanc h o e f s t t h e re Times,himselfhad and account for the fact that anew s p a p er p r oprietary, if influenced alone by a regard for their own interest, sho u ld neglect to supply the article in which it dealt ? The re ason was obvious, that matters had come to a p oint whe n the Times was neces sitated to contract its circulation. There app rehension was, the m e lest the circulation by increasing the paper sho u ld b ecome the means of a loss ; and any loss would be very serious, because it would be immediately multipl ied b y 60 , 0 00. That was the state in which things were now with respect to that and at which every paper sooner or l ater must arrive. Ofone paper thing he was quite certain, that i f th ey desired to taaintain the press at its present standard they must allow the largest j our nals, and therefore those on which the greatest amount of capital and talent was employed, to circulate through the country with as little difficulty and expense as possible Mr. M. GIBSON said the proposition before the house was simply this—that there was a case for relief for carrying the Times through the post ; and that whereas the Ti ntes supplement full of most profitable matter, was now , with a carried through the post for 11,d., it was now pr o p osed that it be carried for Id., the Ad. being deducted f rom the public iklie :hould re venue. Now; he maintained that there was no fair case for relief. Why, if the Times would give him the money received from their advertising connection, h e would bind himself legally to pay the extra id. postage. They ought not to make exceptions in favour of any one concern, but should carry all printed matter at the low ra t e now ould either Pre applied to the Times, or should n o t re d uce the prevent to be Preaent rate at which that journal was carried. Wh en it was said that the Times newspaper was fined, and bad a case for .Gibson) would say it was a monstrous appeal, and he (Mr. ppeal, and the hou se ought to resist it. He, for, one , would record his vote ag a i ns t the motion of the right h on. gentleman ; for, if this supplemental sta m p, th ey would b morel they repealed y the proprietors of a p rosperous commercial grantin g to certain portion of th e pu bli c revenue, and if the ablishment a do so they had b e tt er vo t e t h e sum at once—(hear,y resolved t o and say the Ti mes was an i nst it ut i on, and hear)-- ported at the p u bli c expense. (H ear, ought to be hear.)sup call attention t o th e f act that the Illustrated H e b egged to occasionally weighed ten ou nces, and Lo n d on N ews would probably h ave a much larger a moun t of • ted prm matter paper. in it tha n any other REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS, &c. (SCOTLAND), BILL. This bill was read a second time. PARLIAMENTARY REPRESENTATION (SCOTLAND) BILL. The other orders of the day were postponed. MILITIA. . Lord STANLEY understood that the principle which his hon. friend (Mr. Milnes) wished to affirm was this— that every newspaper should be transmitted through the post at the sane charge of ld., altogether irrespective of its bulk or weight. That ho understood to be the prin ciple of his proposal, because, though he took a limit, he took one that would cover the size of the largest newspa per now known, and he was prepared to increase the limit indefinitely so as to cover the largest size that could be published. (Hear, hear.) Ho agreed with his hon. friend when he said this was a question of simple justice; but he did not think that justice lay on the side which his hon. friend contended for. (Hear, hear.) The committee could not deal with this question as if it were personal to any particular journal. If they did so, they would be acting on no sound basis of ascertained principle, and the result would only be inextricable confusion. (Hear, hear.) He understood the principle of the bill before them to be generally this—that, whereas formerly we had a tax on newspapers, imposed on certain conditions, we were now asked to abolish that tax and substitute for it a simple postal charge. A tax, properly so called, might be in it. self unequal ; it mighti fall more severely on one class than on another, and yet that inequality, the result of the incidence of the tax, might be balanced by countervailing advantages, which would make an unfair tax fair iu reality ; and that was his answer to the hon. gentleman l i opposite. A postal charge was the result of a contract between the Government and the public, by which the Government undertook for a certain compensation to per form a certain service. Now, what we were bound th ob-,, serve in such a case was , that the charge imposed should always and in every case be proportioned to Ogle service rendered. (Hear, hear.) That was the fair principle of a contract, and we were especially bound to observp it in regard to such contracts as those of the Post-office. Now what his hon. friend proposed was to carry any weight to which a newspaper might extend through the Post-office at the same price—an unlimited weight to be carried for an unlimited number of miles, Would he apply that prin ciple to all printed matter? (near.) It was laid down clearly the other night that we desired neither to give the newspapers any advantage on the one hand, nor to put them under any disadvantage on the other. If we carried them on more unfavourable terms than we ought we were taxing there, which the house had declared its intention not to do. If we carried them on more favourable terms we were subsidising them, and preferring them to other publications. (Hear.) Or was it proposed to carry this principle to all printed matter and to all private dom. ments ? L" No," from Mr. Mikes.] Then, it would be Mr. E. BALL hoped the right hon, member for Manchester would excuse him if he did not follow the advice he had given to the house. H e (Mr. Ball) was of opinion that the Post office could convey any newspaper at a much less cost than a penny, and that the Post-office would suffer no lose by cam' TEE LONDONa TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 1, 1855 ing a much larger newspaper than any published in this country. Mr. WARNER was of opinion that every newspaper con veyed through the Post-office was carried at a loss to the re venue, and the more they discouraged the traffic the better for the public revenue. (Cries of divide.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that if the proposition of his hon. friend the member for Kidderminster, that a uniform principle should be applied to the postage of 'newspapers and of every article carried by post, was practi cally enforced, he feared that nearly the whole of the pre sent system would have to be abolished. If they compared the rates of charge upon letters, upon newspapers, and upon books and other printed publications not being newspapers, they would find the discrepancy so great that if it were the pleasure •f Parliament to reduce them to a uniform scale it would be 'necessary to sweep away all the existing rates and to commence de novo. In the bill which lie had the honour to lay before the house he limited himself to carrying into effect with the smallest possible alteration of the existing law what he understood to be the decision and wish of the house, namely, that the compulsory newspaper stamp should bo converted into an optional stahip. That bill was founded exclusively upon the existing principle, and therefore maintained the present rule. With respect to superficial inches of the newspaper, that rule being that the newspaper printed on one or two sheets might con tain 2,295 inches of letters for one penny; and any number of additional supplements might he printed at the rate of one halfpenny for 1,148 inches. That was the rule now in exist ence,,aud was the result of legislation two years ago by which the then existing charge upon newspapers was diminished, and the charge for that which was previously carried for three halfpence was reduced to a penny. The effect of the measure now before the house would be, that every newspaper pro prietor would be at liberty to stamp such portion of the cir culation as they thought fit, but no part of it could go through the post without the impression of a stamp. That change in the law would confer a considerable benefit on all existing newspapers. They would be relieved from the compulsory , stamp on a certain portion of their circulation, and to that extent they would be benefitted by the measure before the house. (Hear.) Unless the house was prepared to sacrifice not only that portion of the revenue which was necessarily lost by the abolition of the compulsory stamp, but also that further portion which would be included in an offer on the part of the public to carry at a lower rate a larger sized newspaper than at present, there seemed no reason for departing from the arrangement at present in force. It had been argued that as a portion of a newspaper was given gratuitously to its sub scribers, and as no additional charge was made for an addi tional quantity of matter, it was unreasonable that an addi tional charge should be made by the Post-office. But the Post office had nothing to do with the question as between a news paper and its customers. All the Post-office had to look to was the. bulk and weight of the article. To the Post-office it was utterly indifferent what the price might be, or whether in deed the article was priced at all. With regard to purely adver tising sheets, which were circulated gratuitously, the trouble and expense to the Post-office were as great as in the case of a high priced newspaper ; and therefore the argument that was derived from the gratuitous circulation of a portion of a newspaper containing advertisements appeared altogether destitute of weight. He admitted, however, that the whole question of the transmission of newspapers, as compared with other printed matter, required the most careful consideratiDn, and that the present system must soon undergo a considerable change. But the alteration of the law which he now proposed was one of great magnitude land importance, and he thought they should wait to see how it operated before they plunged into a fresh series of changes. Mr. DRUMMOND said that he objected the other day to the whole conduct of the press, because it was a system of stabbing in the dark. He equally objected to that house stabbing the Times in the dark, for there could be no ques tion, after the debate which had just taken place, that this was an attack upon a single newspaper. They were begin ning to indulge private pique under the pretence of public virtue. (Hear, hear.) They hated the Times. (A laugh.) They were afraid, of it, and instead of standing up boldly against it, they were giving it this dirty stab in the dark., The house then divided— For Mr. M. Milnes's clause B6 Against it 260 . Majority against the clause —l74 The preamble of the bill was then agreed to, and the bill was reported with amendments to the house. The report or dered to be brought up to-morrow (this day). The Parliamentary Representation (Scotland) Act Amend ment Bill was read a second time. Mr. PEEL obtained leave to bring in a bill to amend the laws relating to the militia in England. He stated, in reply to some remarks by Colonel Sibthorp, that the object of the bill was of comparatively minor importance. It did not affect the point of the liability of the militiamen to serve in the embo died militia. It simply amended certain details relative to the apportionment between counties and boroughs of the ex pense of storehouses and arms to the militia regiments. CINQUE PORTS. Mr. WILSON obtained leave to bring in a bill for the better administration of justice in the Cinque Ports. MEDICAL DEPARTMENT. On the motion of Mr. Cowan, copies were ordered of all minutes and orders, and all papers and correspondence, in the Colonial-office, relative to the medical department of Sierra Leone, from the appointment of Governor Kennedy in 1852, down to his removal from the colony. And of all papers, minutes, documents, and letters relating to sitars charges preferred by Governor Kennedy against Mr. William' Nicoll Aitkin, late colonial surgeon in Sierra Leone, and to his re moval from office, with the correspondence which has passed, and the memorials and petitions which have been presented, on this subject, between the said Governor Kennedy and the Colonial-office, and the said William Nicoll Aitkin, the Colo nial-office, and the Lord President of the Privy Council. RETURN. On the motion of Mr. LOCKE KING, a return was ordered of the sum total of all moneys paid or allotted for salaries, fees, or allowances to draftsmen by the several public depart ments during the year 1853, the year 1854, and the first three months of the year 1855, for drafting, settling the drafts of, or advising on, bills laid or to be laid befo rs P ar li amen t ; specifying the fee or allowance for each and every bill, and whether such bill has been passed into a law ; and iu case the draftsman thereof was or is a member of or employed under any statute law or criminal law commission, the• name of such draftsman. EXCISE. Mr. WILSON moved that the house at its next sitting (this day) should resolve itself into a committee of the whole house on the excise duties. The house then adjourned at one o'clock. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. TATTERSALL'S.-MONDAY. A very thin attendance, most of the members having taken their departure for Chester. Speculation was pursued to a limited extent only, as will appear from the subjoined quotations : CHESTER CUP. 11 to 1 agst Scythian (taken) 11 to 1 agst Ear!), Bird (taken) 13 to 1 agst Nabob (taken) 15 to 1 agst Arthur Wellesley (taken) 15 to 1 agst Joe Miller (taken) 15 to 1 agst Escape (taken) 100 to 6 agst Gamekeeper (taken) 20 to 1 agst Noisy (taken) 30 to 1 agst New Warrior (taken) DERRY. Bto 1 agat St. Hubert (taken to 1501.) 9to 1 agst Rifleman (taken) 15 to 1 agat Kingstown. (taken) 16 to 1 agat Dirk Hatteraick (taken) 40 to 1 agst Rylstone (taken) MANCHESTER STEEPLECHASES—MONDAY. The City Steeplechase. About three miles and a half Burnt Sienna Rosa Star of England Sailor 4 Handicap Hurdle Race. About two miles. Parchment Novelist 2 The Stretford Selling Steeplechase. About three miles and a half. Massaroni Gradeley Lass] Royal Blue 1 2 3 ARRIVALS AT CHESTER. Jack Sheppard, Paletot, Mosquito, Blanche, Stork, Venison, Ephesus, Testy, Johnny Taft, Falcon, Noddy, Sister to Singapore, Challow Boy, Rataplan, Merry Monk, Mortimer, Medal, Michaelmas Maid, Heber, Homily, Chalis, Hothorpe, Octavia, Bright Phoebus Scythian, Escape, Instructress, Pumicestone, Typee, Shoreham, Orson, Palmerston, Polestar, Early Bird, Bolton, Corcebus, Crotchet, King of Trumps, Lady Tatton, Alfred, Lord Alfred, Seducer, Fanny, Fern, Nancy, Ida, Gamekeeper, Cossey, New Warrior, Knight of St. George, Jenny Wren, Ireland's Eye, The Gem, and Tom. STRIKE OF THE NAVVIES AT SUNDERLAND DOCK.-- This strike still continues, the men adhering to their demand of 3s. 6d. per day. The contractors are endea vouring to engage fresh hands at the old rates of 2s. 6d. and 3s. per day. At present the dock works are nearly suspended for want of navvies. CA-DVERTisEmENT.I—Many thousand cures have been effected without medicine, by Du Barry's Delicious Reva lentaArabica Food, of indigestion (dyspepsia), constipation nervous, bilious, and liver Complaints, paralysis, &c. We quote a few :—Cure No. 52,612.—Fr0m the Dowager Countess of Castlestuart.—" Rosstrevor, County of Down, Ireland, 9th December, 1854.—The Dowager Countess of Castlestuart feels induced, in the interest of suffering hu manity, to state that Du Barry's excellent Revalenta Ara bica Food has cured her, after all medicines had failed, of indigestion, bile, great nervousness and irritability of many years' standing. This Food deserves the confidence of all sufferers, and may be considered a real blessing. Inquiries will be cheerfully answered." Cure No. 71. ) Of dyspepsia, from the Right Hon. the Lord Stuart de Decies.—" I have derived considerable benefit from Da Barry's Revalenta Arabica Food, and consider it due to yourselves and the public to authorise the publication of these lines.—Stuart de Decies." Cure No. 32,836.—Fr0m the Venerable Archdeacon of Ross.- " Three years exces sive nervousness, with painsinmyneck and left arm, and ge neral debility, which rendered my life very miserable, has been radically removed by Du Barry's health-restoring Food. —Alex. Stuart, Archdeacon of Ross Skibereen." Cure No. 4,208.—" Eight y ears ' dyspepsia, nervousness, debility, ee with cramps, spasms and nausea, have veryff e tually removed by Du Barry's delicious Food l short time.—Rev. John W. Fls yell, Ridlingtonßectory , Norfolk." Cure No. 51,416.—" Fifty years' Indescribable consti agony from dyspepsia, nervousness, asthma, Barry's excellent Foe d. pation, fla,tulencv, spasms. sickness at the stomach 'and yo mai ngs, have been removed by Duu 4, indigestion, and gen n e t . —Maria Jolly, Wortham, Ling, near D Norfolk." Cure No. 3,9o6,—Thirteen years' cough,Du Barry's excelle . "—ln canis ral debility have been removed by 'th full instruc tes and wi Food.—James Potter, Athol-street, Perth. . : lb lls ; 121 b., 225. ; tern, suitably packed 21b• 4 s. fid " 5 2 . I.olb , 335. bons-11b. 2s-for all °lima , t of post super-refined, 111 p, b carr iage free, on remit) 51b., 2 s. i : The 101 b. and 4, ~.. 9d. ' 6s. ;"21b., 11s. ; eg 77, R ent. . office Barry du Fortnum, Burry Mason,an and Co., 0., purveyors o 68 C r ornhill ; 6( , , street, London;i2 Piccadilly; also at , her lifti est Z' a t ree t; 330 and 451, Strand ; 63 and 150, ra nrc--- 55 Charing-cross ; 4, Cheapaide ; 25 and oxfor d-street ; , t. . 54, 17pperBakevrtree PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—APRIL 30. NEWSPAPER STAMP DUTIES BILL. Clause (Every periodical publication that shall be printed and published at intervals not exceeding seven days between the two consecutive parts or numbers of such publication, and the superficics of which shall not exceed three thousand five hundred inches of printed matter, shall be entitled to the said privileges of transmission and re-transmission by the post, if duly stamped with the appropriate die of one Penny; provided always that such publication shall be subject to the terms and conditions imposed in the third clause of this act) brought up and read a first time. Motion made and question put, " That the clause be read a second time. The committee divided—Ayos 86, Noes 260. Annesley, Earl of Galwa , G ,, fa:dksetloYA: : , Y o, T E . ls B— cou B n 6 t . . Pakenh am, T. H. Bailey, Sir J. Parker, R. Batley, C. George, J. Paxton, Sir J. Ball, E. Capt. J. Pechell, Sir G. Baxter, W. Goderich, Vis. Pennant, Col. E. Bowyer, G. Greaves, E. Phinn, T. Buck, G. Greene, John Pigott, F. Cayley, E. Grogan, Edward Repton, G. Cholmondeley, Lord Gwyn, H. Roebuck, J. Christopher, Robt. A. Hamilton, J. 11. Scholefield, W. Clifford, Col. H. M. Heywood, J. Scobell, Capt. G. Jollier, R. P. Hughes, W. Seymer, H. Colville, C. R. Irton, S. seyinour, W. D. Dalrymple, Viscount Kendall, N. Smith, J. A. Deedes, W. King, P. Smollett, A. Denison, J. E. Kinnaird, A. Stafford, A. bed, J. W. Layard, A. H. Stirling, W. Drummond, H. Liddell, H. G. Taylor, Col. Duke, Sir J. Lindsay, W. Tyler, Sir G. Duncan, G. Lovaine, Lord Vance, J. Dundas, G. Lowe, R. Vivian, H. H. Egerton, E. C. Maguire, J. Walcott, Admiral Ewart, J. Montgomery, Six G. Warner, E. Fagan, W. Morris, D. Whitmore, H. Farrer, J. Mowbray, J. Woodd, B Feilden, M. Naas, Lord Yorke, E Fergus, J. Newark, Viscount Forster, Sir G. North, Col. J. Fox, W. Otway, A. Franklyn, G. Packe, C. NOES-260. Acton, J. Gooch, Sir E. Adair, R. Goodman, Sir G. Adderley, C. Gordon, A. Anderson, Sir J. Grace, 0. Antrobas, E. Greenall, G. Arkwright, G. ' Gregson, S. Atherton , W. 9renfell, Chas. Baird, J. Grey, Sir G. D di, J. Grey, R. Baldock, E. Grosvenor, Ld. R. Baring, T. Oueiasey, Lord Barnes, T Gurney, J. Barrow, W. Hadfield, G. Bass, T. Hall, Sir B. Bateson, Capt T. Hamilton, Lord C. Beckett, W. Hankey, T. Bective, Earl Claimer, Sir J. Bell, J. Harcourt, G. Bennet, Capt P. Male, Alex. Bentinck, G. Castle, Archd. Bethel], Sir R. Headlam, T. Biggs, W. Heard, J. Bland, L. H. Heathcote, Sir G. Bonham-Carter, J. Ileathcote, G. fiouverie, Hon. E. P. Heneage, Geo. F. Bramley-Moore, J. Henley, 3. Brand, H. B. W. Herbert, 11. Brocklehurst, J. Hervey, Lard A: Brown, W. Heyworth, L. Bruce, Lord E. Hildyard, R. C. Buckley, Gen. Hill, Lord A. E. Burrowes, R. Hudson, G. Butt, G. Hume, W. Byng, G. Mutchins,'E. Cabbell, B. Hutt, W. Castlerosse, Viscount Ingham, R. Caulfield, Col. J. Jermyn, Earl Cavendish, C. Johnstone, Sir J. Cavendish, G. Jolliffe, Sir W. Cheetham, John Jones, D. • Cl'ld, Smith Keogh, W. Christie, Samuel Kershaw, J. Clay, Sir W., Bt. King, J. Clive, Hon. R. H. Kirk, W. Cobbett, J. M. Knatchbull, W. Cobden, R. Knightley, R. Cockburn, Sir A. J. E. Knox, Col. B. W. Cogan, W. H. F. Knox, W. S. Cole, 11. A. Lacon, Sir E. Cowan, C. Langton, H. G. Cowper, W. F. Laslett, W. Craufurd, E. H. J. Lee, W. Crook, J. Lewis, Sir G. C. Crossley, F. Lisburne, Earl Diti,ies, J. L. Locke, J. Denison, E. B. Lowther, Capt. Dering, Sir E. Macartney,'G. De Vere, S. Mackie, J.I Dillwyn, L. , 31`Cann, J.. Drumlanrig, Vis. Macgregor, Jas. Duckworth, Sir J. T. Mandeville, Vis. Dun conic, Hon. A. Manners, Lord G. Duncombe, 0. Manners, Lord J. Dundas, F. March, Earl of Dungat Van, Viscount Marjoribanks, D. Dunlop, A. Masterman, J. Dunne, Col. 31eux, Sir H. East, Sir J. Milligan, R. Ebrington, Viscount Mills, T. Egerton,Sir F. Michell, Dr. W. Elliot, J. Mitchell, T. Esmonde, J. Moffatt, G. Euston, Earl Molesworth, Sir W. Ewart, W. Monck, Viscount Farnham, E. Mon creiff, J. Fenwick, 11. Monsell, W. }linter, Sir E. if owatt, F. Fitz Gerald, Sir J. Mulgrave. Earl of Fitz Gerald, J. Mundy, W. Fitzgerald, W. Murrough, J. Foley, J. Neeld, John Follett, B. Newport, Viscount. Forster, C. Noel, G. Forster, J. Norreys, Lord Freestun, Col. North, F. Frewen, C. Northcote, Sir S. Gibson, T Oakes, J. Goddard, A. O'Brien, P TELLERS Milnes, M. Whiteside, J. O'Brien, J. O'Connell, D. O'Connell, J. Oliveira, B. Osborne, R. Ossulston, Lerd Paget, Lord A. Pakington, Sir J. Palmer, Robert Palmer, Roundell Palmerston, Viset. Peacocks, G. Peel, Sir R. Peel, F. Pellatt, A. Percy, J. Philipps, J. Phillimore, J. G. Pilkington, J. Pollard-Urquhart, W. Portal, M. Power, N. Price, Sir R. Pritchard, J. Itamsden, Sir J. Ricardo, J. Ricardo, 0. Ricardo, S. Rice, E. Richardson, J. Robertson, P. Rolt, P. Rushout, Col. G. Russell, F. C. Sadleir, James Sawle, C. Scrope, G. Scilly, F . Scully, V. Se mour, H. Sh ' af to, R. Shelburne, Earl Shelley, Sir J. Shirley, E. Smith, J. B. Smith, M. Smith, R. Smith, Abel Sotheron, T. Spooner, R. Stanhope, J. Stanley, Lord Stephenson, 12. Strickland, Sir G. Strutt, E. Stuart, W. Sullivan, Michael Sutton, J. Talbot, C. Tancred, H. Thornely, T. Thornhill, W. Traill, G. Trollope, Sir J. Tudway, R. 'Vane, Lord H. Vansittart, G. Vernon, L. Villiers, C. Vyse, Col. Waddington, H. Watk , ns, Col. Watson, W. Wells, W. Whatman, 3. Whitbread, S. Wickham, H. W. Wilkinson, W. Willoughby, Sir H. Wilson, J. Wood, Sir C. Wortley, J. 8. Wynn, Lieut.-Col. Wyvill, M. TELLERS llayter, w. Berkeley, G. LOAN BILL. As amended, considered ; amendment proposed, in page 9, line 9, to leave out from the word ' respectively" to the word "if," in line 39. Question put—" That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the bill." The house divided ; ayes 210, noes 111. AYES.-210. Acton, Joseph Forster, Charles Morris, D, Aenir, IT. FortE scue, C. S. Mowatt, F. Aleock, T. Freestun, Colonel Mowbray, J. 11. Anderson, Sir J. French, Fitzstephen Musgrave, ll'arl of Bagshaw. J. Gibson, M. Mullings. J. R. Raines, Rt. Hon. M. Glyn, G. Murrougb, J. P. Baird. J. Goodman, Sir G. Newark, Viscount Ball, J. Gore, W. Norreys, Sir D. Baldock, E. H. - Grace, 0. North, F. Barirg, T. Gregson, Samuel 0.8rie,,, P. Barnes, T. Grenfell, Charles O'Brien, Fir T. Barrow Grey. Rt. Hon. Sir G. O'B r i en , C. Beckett,' W. W. Grey, R. O'Connell, J. Bethel], Sir R. Grosvenor. Earl Oliveira, B. Biggs, W. Hadfield, George O s b o rne, R. Bland, L. H. Hall, Sir Benjamin Ossulston, Lord Bonham-Carter, J. Hankey, T. Palmerston, Viscount Bouverle, Hon. E. P. Bramston, T. W. Harcourt, G. G. Pechell, Sir G. Hastle, Alex. Peel, F. Brand, H. B. W. Hastle, Archd. Follett, A. Bright, J. Headlam, T. Philipps, J. Brockman, E. D. Heathcote, Sir G. Phidimore, J. G. Brotherton, J. Heathcote, G. Pi gott , F . Brown, W. Herbert, H. Pollard-Urquhart, W. Bruce, Lord E. Hey worth, L. Portal, M. Buckley, Gen. Higgins, G. 0. Portman, W. Burke, Sir T. Holford, R. , Power, N. Butler, C. S. Horsfall, T. Price, Sir R. Byng, G. H. C. Horsman, E. Pritchard, J. Castlerosse, Via. Hotham, Lord Pugh, D. Caulfeild. Lt.-Col. J. Hughes, W. Reed, J. Cavendish, G. C. Hutchins, E. Repton, G. Challis, T. Hutt, W. Ricardo, S.' Chambers, M. Johnstone, Sir J. Rice, E. Chambers, T. Keating, R. Rushout, Capt. G. Cholmondeley, Lord Keogh, W. Russell, Lord J. Christy, Samuel Kershaw, J. Russell, F. C. Clay, Sir W., Bt. Kinnaird, A. Seymer, 11. Cobden, R. Knatchbull, W. Seymour, 11. Cockburn, Sir A. J. E. Knightley, R. Seymour. W. Collier, It. P. Lacon, Sir E. Shaft°, R. 7 Coote, Sir C. H. Langton, U. G. Shelley, Sir J. Cowan, C. Laslett, W. Shirley, E. Cowper, W. Lee, W. Smith, J. A. Crook, J. Lemon, Sir C. Smith, J. B. Croesley, F. Lewis, Sir G.C. Smyth, J. G. Dalrymple, Viscount Liddell, H. G. Smollett. A. Davies, D. Lindsay,W Somerville, Sir W. Davies, J. Mackie, J. Sotheron, T. Denison, E. Mackinnon, W. Stanley, W. Denison, J. E. Dl`Cann,J. Steel, John De Vere, S., E. MacGregor, James Strickland, Sir G. Dnncombe, 0. McTaggart, Sir J. St, att. Hon. E. Dundas, F. Mogan, W. Sullivan, Michael Dungat van, Viscount Mangles, R. Thompson, G. Dunlop, A. Marjoribanks, D. Tomline, G. East, Sir J. Martin, J. Townshend, Capt. J. Egerton, W. Masterman, J. Vane, Lord H. Egerton, Edw. C. Matheson, Sir J. Vansittart, G. Euston, Farl of Mil"gan, R. Villiers, C. Ewart, W. Mills, T. Vivian, H. 11. Ewart, J. Milnes, R. Walmsley, Sir J. Fagan, W. Michell, William Whatnot!, J. Farrer, J. Mitchell, T. A. Wickham, IT, Feilden, M. Moffat, G. Williams, W. Fergus, John Molesworth, Sir W. Willoughby, Sir H. Ferguson; Sir R. Monck, Vis. Wilson, J. Ferguson, J. Moncreif J. Wood, Sir C. Fitzgerald, J. lgonsell, W. TELLERS. Fitzroy, Henry Montgomery, Sir G. Hayter, W. Foley, J. H. Morgan, 0. Berkeley, G. ... NOES— i 11. Adderley, C. B. Gladstone, Capt. J. Palk, L. A nnesley, Earl of God ericl, Viscount Pahuer, Robert A ntrobus, E. Gordon, A. Parker, R. Ball, E. Greaves, E. Pennant, Cot E. Baring, H. Grogan. Edward Philltmore, R. J. Barrington, Vist. Gwyn, Rowel Pilkington J. Baxter, W. H am ilt on , L or d Cl au d Ricardo, J. Bective, Earl Heneage, Geo. H. Ricardo, 0. Bell, J. Henley, J. Robertson, P. Bennet, Capt. P. Herbert, S. Rolt, P. Bernard, Vist. Herbert, Sir T. Scobell, Capt. Bramley-Moore, J. Hervey, Lord A. Sibthorp, Col. Buck, L. W. Hildyard, R. C. Smith, W. Cardwell, E. Hill, Lord A. E. Spooner, R. Cecil, Lord Irton, S. Stafford, A. Christopher, Robb A. Jermyn, Rt. Hn. Earl Stanhope, J. Clifford, Lt.-Col. H. M. Jolliffe, Sir W. Stanley, Lord Corry, H. T. L. Jones, Capt. T. Stirling, W. Craufurd, E. H. J. King, J. Stuart, W. Dalkeith, Earl Knight. F. Sutton, J. Deedes, William Labouchere,Rt.Hon.H Taylor, Colonel Dillwyn, L. L. Langston, J. H. Thornely, T. Disraeli, B. Langton, W. H. P. G. Tyler, Sir G. Duckworth, Sir J. T.B. Lowe, R. Vernon, G. Duncan, George Macartney, G. Vyse, Col. R. Duncombe, Hon. A. Id.' G regor, John Waddington, D. Dundas, G. Maddock, Sir H. Waddington, M. Dunne, Colonel Malins, Richard Walcott, Admiral. Ebtington, Viscoant Mandeville, Viscount Walpole. S. Farnham, E. Manners, Lord G. Walter, J. Filmer, Sir E. Massey, W. Wells, W. Fitzgerald, W. R. S. Maxwell, J. Whitbread, S. Floyer, J. Meux, Sir H. Wilkinson, W. Fox, W. J. Kiel, E. Wynn, Lt.-Col. , Galway, Visct. Ness Lord Wyvill, M. G A skell, J. Neeld, John TELLEM George, J. Gladstone, W. p N a o k r i : n h o co o t n e : S si i S Sir J. J. . 33 K u el t l t y, ,GS.irmF.. The Royal Agricultural Socie t y of Ireland andmeasures the Royal Dublin Society are at presen t co ncerting ntry to have have the agricultural interests of Ont o quately represented at the approac hing showc°ouf cattle in It has been determine d that the funds contr ibute sens e of esteem entertained the purpose of marking the d for for the late Mr. Vivian, M.P. for Swansea, shall be de voted to the erection of a fountain in some conspicuous part of that town, and that this fountain shall have, as its centre, a statue of the deceased. The subscriptions a t present are about 6501. [A DVEB TISEMENT.]—HoIIoway ' s Ointment and Pill s th e most effectual remedies for the Gout and Rheuma tism.—Extract of a letter from Mr. Thomas professor It is as Wyborn, c o e ld ha bse te druggist, Eton, dated April 26 , 18 52 : Sir,—A should noticeHol l o w w ay hi . o h I think that of a poor man, who suffered chronic rheumatism that he lost the so dreadfully from endured incessant pain. Re Was Westminster under different medi pronounced him incurable 11 er Hospital the faculty case, for by the useof .owever, this your oi ntm ent , was not the been restored to health and pills he has medicine 'rend ors, and and strength."—Sold b all blishments, 244, st at Professor Holloway's y esta- New York, r ' and London, and 80, Maiden-lane, NAVAL AND MILITARY INTELLIGENCE. The Bellerophon, 78, Captain Lord George Paulet, was put out of commission on Saturday at Portsmouth, and the remainder of her crew paid wages and granted 15 days' leave. Rear-Admiral Baynes returned to Portsmouth yester day from leave, and rehoisted his flag in the Retribution, 28, Captain Fisher, as third in command of the Baltic Fleet. The Malacca, 17, Captain Farquhar, was undockqd yesterday at Portsmouth after refit, and got up her steam outside the jetty to prove her engine before going to Spithead to join the fleet. The Cruiser, 14, screw -sloop, Commander the Hon. G. S. Douglas, and the Falcon, 14, Commander Pullen, were ordered yesterday afternoon to prepare for sea, and they both had the " blue peter" flying when this in telligence left (6.30 p.m.) Portsmouth. The Rolla, 6, naval apprentices training brig, Lieut. Fenwick in charge, will be docked to-day to repair a few defects. The Avon steam-vessel returned to Devonport from Portsmouth yesterday, and the Sprightly to Ports mouth from the Downs yesterday. The Porcupine steam-vessel arrived at Portsmouth yesterday afternoon from Sheerness, with supernumeraries for the flag-ship compasses Victory. in The Portsmouth ßetribution rbu tested o r y t e h s e t e rday. deviation of her LATEST FROM GIBRALTAR. By the arrival of the steam-ship Iberia, which reached Southampto n y es t er d ay , we h ave th e followingitems of naval and military intelligence from Gibraltar :—On the 16.;11 April the Spanish steamer Independiente took on board 90 horses for conveyance to Balaklava for the use of the British army. She had also on board a corporal and six g unners of the Royal Artilery, besides seven civilians, who go to take charge of the horses. She left for the Last on th e 17 t h i nst. This steamer will, after discharging her freight in the Crimea, be despatched to Alicante for th e purpose of taking up another shipment forsteamer, eoyf,Bs arrivedt ns, a with t some Gibraltary of the sam e ki nd to Balaklava. The Lucifer, a small 17th. On th e 18 th the sailingo fotrdroeamnn transports hut and r p a c n ao d no ti c e l r o o u t n h u r yt i n h g e, from Const antinople and Malta, put into Gibraltar for supplies. She b a d on board invalids from the Crimea bound for Spithe a d. T he British sailing t om garrisona r n at Gibraltar, n forner sport on City of Carlisle, passed t o the westwarcion the ra 18th , On ier Gib ve ta g - m c si o the same day the Sardi n i an b rig Regina Esther took . on y bo ey a a rd ric 3 e 2 t h o o t r h s e es Ea fr s o t m . A bombardier, the Royal Artillery are plac e d in charge and five arge of the animals. She left on the morning of the 19th, in tow o f h er Ma jesty's steamer Medusa. The British barque Lord Raglan was making rapid progress tewards compl e ti on f or the reception of horses. The Sardinian brig Enock has likewise been chartered for the conveyance of horses. The Earl of Durham, steam-transport, and the Samuel Laing, left for Plymouth on the 20th ult. Th e screw steam-transport Tynemouth had arrived at Gibral tar, with invalids from the seat of war, f)r Portsmouth. The following is a list of her passengers :—Captains Hugessen, 57th, Falkner, 30th, Vernon, R.A., O'Brien, Carden, and Kent, 77th, Purcell, 50th, Lieutenants Tucker, R.A., Antrobus, 50th ; Irby, 90th ; Harbord, 71st ; Cambier, Radcliffe, and Boulton, R.N. ; Staff- Surgeon Saunders, Assistant-Surgeon Scott, 57th ; Mr. Purchase, Mr. Mackham, Mr. Trelwing, 223 non-com missioned officers and privates, including servants, and five women. Two deaths occurred on the passage from Scutari to Malta. The British screw steam-transport Argo, which arrived at Gibraltar on the 19th ult., shipped some horses for the Crimea, and took her de parture on the 21st. The screw steam-transport Vic tory, from Plymouth, arrived at Gibraltar on the 21st. ARTILLERY FOR THE MORTAR VESSELS; A detachment of the Royal Marine Artillery, under the command of Captain G. S. Digby, consisting of First-Lieutenants E. H. Starr, H. Hewett, and F. W. Festing, with 6 sergeants, 4 corporals, and 38 gunners, embarked yesterday afternoon at 3 p.m. in the Pigmy tug, and were conveyed to Spithead, and put on board the Rosamond, 6, paddle-sloop, Commander Crofton, for passage to the eastward to join the new mortar vessels about being despatched, under charge of Captain Will cox, of' her Majesty's ship Odin, to the Black Sea fleet off Sebastopol. Each mortar vessel will have six of these valuable and experienced marine artillerymen. MILITARY. The draughts at present in Cork barracks are very strong, including 200 of the 3d Buffs, 120 of the 9th, 152 of the 14th, 120 of the 39th, and 120 of the 89th, and upwards of 500 of the 2d Somerset Militia. The Commander of the Forces, Lord Seaton, pro ceeded to the Curragh, at Kildare, on Saturday morn ing, to inspect the progress of the works in the forma tion of the encampment. His lordship, attended by Major Colburne and Sir L. Newman, Aide-de-Camp, was accompanied by Colonel Doyle and Colonel Wood. THE MILITIA. The Lord-Lieutenantsof Ireland his issued his warrant for the embodiment of the Armagh Artillery, which is to be stat;oned at Moy. All the militia artillery in the northern district are to be under the orders of the artil lery authorities at Charlemont. The Leitrim Rifles, which muster only 176 rank and file, were embodied on the 26th of December last. They have 25 officers present, being about seven men to each officer The Royal Tyrone Fusiliers are deficient more than one-half of their establishment, haying only 460 rank and file present, and their eshblishment is 1,000 men. They were embodied on the 4th of January last. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. CLERKENWELL.—Joseph Parminter, a railway constable, was charged with stealing a portmanteau - with its contents, the property of his masters, the Great Northern Railway Company. John Radford said—l am and was constable in the service of the Great Northern Railway Company in March, 1854. The prisoner was my sergeant all the time. On the morning of the 25th of March, 1854, the prisoner came to me, when I was on duty at the Somers•town-gate, and ordered me to go round the potato-market on the line. It was part of my duty to see that all was safe, and I went. The round would have taken me half an hour, but I did it in about 20 minutes, and when I returned I found the prisoner in my police-box. He had a portman teau in his possession, which he was trying to break open with a piece of iron bar. The portmanteau pro duced is the same one. He did break it open, and took out out the contents and made a parcel of them, and took them away. He at the same time placed the port manteau in a cupboard in the police-office in the station, where it remained for several days. Then Sergeant Parminter took it away openly at 12 o'clock in the day. Some time after an altercation took place between Mrs. Parminter and a Mrs. Alexander ; and then, on the 26th of May, they brought it to my house with other things ; they lay there one night, but I said I would not have them remain there, and they were removed. Afterwards the portmanteau was brought to my box at the station, where it remained until Mon day week, when, after the charge of the other prisoners, Sergeant Parminter came to me, about 5 o'clock in the evening, and said, " I have been sent by Sergeant Wil liams to know where the portmanteau is," I told him that it was in the country. Mr. Corrie—Was that true ? Witness—No, it wa,snOt, - your worship ; but he re plied, " Let it remain there, and I will get another for you to take to Mr. Clarke's office as the portmanteau asked for, for Sergeant Williams has committed depreda tions' and has got others into it." I said I would, and then he asked me to meet him and Williams in the Cale donian-road at 12 o'clock on the following day. At 9 o'clock in the morning of that day, however, Parminter called at my house, at 8, College-grove, Camden-town, and said, " I have brought this* thing to you" (a portmanteau produced) "this is it." I replied, "But it is not so big," when be said, " You mast make it do ; you can take it to the lower office." I under stood that to be the office of Mr. Williams the inspector of the line, he remarking again, " Sergeant Williams has committed depredations, and got others into it." I afterwards met him in Brewer-street, Somers-town, when be asked me whether I had taken the portmanteau into the office. I said to him that a metropolitan officer had had it from me, and I supposed he had taken it there. Mr. Clark had previously seen the portmanteau, and marked it. He then replied, " I was dragged into it." On the same day later, I saw Parminter andeSer geant Williams together in Chapel•street, Pentopvil! t a had some beer with them, but nothing was said b ou this matter. i n Constableßadfnrd,s house, Francis, 0 overhearing ea S, ri d li e g p o a s c e o d n t v o e b rdsa e f i ord . wish but t y o ou bere: I he wianeu to cross- Mr. Corrie asked the prisoner i ceiving the missing portmanteau if examine the witnes our this ay), when I ma P n r c l e s d on w er it — n Prisoner—No, from the ins y until w to o - r m sh orr ip o ; w b to ut ba l il, hope, will at once disch tructions that I will give to Mr. arge me. Wakeling, that your worship Mr. Corrie cannot admit you may come again to-morrow to allow your solicitor to explain your suggestion. The prisoner was then removed. d'utf:n7auncedairede- Tivi ur ^ BEA T . HAHDCO CS V. DELACOrTh CASE.—Th-e Lord Chancellor of Ireland stated on Saturday that, in Mr. E. R. Ha n d coc k was not bound as one the next of kin by any de cree, order, or compromise in ohfis either to opinion, the th of suits , and th a t, th erefore, he was not en titled o have ern reheard. THE SCREW STE &II- SHIP SULTAN. —S OIITHAMPTON; Monday. —The Sultan steam -ship, which has recently been converted i n t o a screw, took a private trial trip to• day, and the speed a tained was highly satisfactory. The Sultan has also been lengthened, and undergone various mprovements snd alterations. SOCIETY OP PAINTERS IN WATER COLOURS.—On Sa tur lay a distinguished company of the nobility and amat-ur 3 of th e fi ne Arts visited the gallery of the above society, i n P a li- ma l l East, previous to iti being ttohethDe pukubeliacntdhispdeaeyb. Duchess o n fm Northumberland,n g - t h the the ed op enednoticedoDuke and Duch es s o f A rgy ll, th e M arqu i s o digan, Earl and Countess of Elles e m o e f r 'Efficgharn, Lord tess Grosvenor, Earl and Coun d tes LadyMonteagle, Lord Marquis and Marchioness of Ailesburye, tte tr ya e r e l d o c f e C e a ti r : sw ef or L th e , n V do is n c p o= and Lady Overstone, Lord o a r n and Viscountess Chelsea, Winchester, the Dean of St. Paul's, ford, Litchfield, and and Lady St. Leonards, the Right Hon. Sir Charles Wood, the Provost of Eton, Right Hon. Vernon Smith, his Excel- Labouchere, the his Excellency Count Lavradio, the lency Musurus Bey, Royal Academy, Sir Edwin Landseer, thedßßish3vopens the Right Hon. Sir Charles Grey, the Right Hon. Henry President of the many me z nbers of the Royal Academy, &c., kc. uld ' l(3t ,hetber tb ; bo t ; i 3 0 ell •0 P