The Sun. — London, England, 1855-02-24 00:00:00

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(Hear.) !they, examine into them with a view to calling to ~7,,,, ,, h° are in command in the Crimea, I protest th, 0' against taking such a course. (Hear.) If, ~ ' en f t " h a ne : l , Your object is not at present to call to ac cator,:a Persons, but to reserve to yourselves the leth o b min to account at the proper time if you li ds . real object you ought now to consider is, not ~,t ,°r that man in the Crimea may have been to e e B e ,_l4 and Solely in what mode remedies may be tye.'lost effectually and expeditiously. (Hear, hear.) sc rile to be raised. (Hear.) Are we then agreed e LI P '? h that admitted? If it is, I think I may , v Y that it is not difficult for those who do admit type w ith us i n our protestat i ons an d res i s t an ce tr nl easure. (H ear.) I came down to t h e h ouse 'llget . d etermination on this subject, but with .a that I should hear a great deal in the course eT li g with which I could not agree.- still a', great deal , 'ngennit 'the Y and. with force in favour of the appoint • e'rainit t I have been a patient and au in 4teller e - , q ,,. to the debate ever since half-past four o'clock 'e, l , l `` %Tarter past eleven), and I must say that, if it i k ' l) f s or eve to entertain sentiments of malevolence e 144.,iet proposition, such as that a Parliamentary 1 4.4 1 .„ 4 , h , 5 appointed, those bad feelings would have '')te " ule uttermost by the mode in which that Nieas been treated to-night. (Hear.) As one object le Preea ting the committee, and prepared to make tarather than accede to it, I have seen with delight k at ' o ' n a c r'ee of good sense in this house, true English d 'ha e. L er sPieuity which has given tone and colour Nh ‘'icar.) I think, sir, that in the course of the ke gst a' , e called upon something like twenty speakers. ' l 4 e , th en). have defended this mode of inquiry by )eisauittee ? My right hon. friend opposite (Mr. S' et 'ded it i tel etli e ,. l , 4l.tic , iii on u. the ground of historical precedent, My right hon. friend late the N I t he Adm .' i;alty (Sir J. Graham) brought his kee l i t ":' action, and made a most formidable assault tl ei , z " e s ; but no answer has been attempted in the Mir e ee c a No man has gone through that masterly te ee r e s ensaion of my right hon. friend. True, he b l or,,` °ll with on the score of precedent, but not of e e't ti v ,‘ ll dence. My right hon. friend (Mr. S. Her ie LBa/no line of argument as my right hon. friend, ePtetZ a Prejudiced party. He had a foregone con re h av co nclusions were however, destined for our, ',,Nt • st a but to wait .a ' little, and from all quarters ,lat e 4 4 B against this committee. The hon. mem- I ts , esi o „ ire (Mr. Palke) stated in the fairest manner ,all,,'„ s and objections against it. My hon. friend o. ' ) tei f ,va -h lderminster (Mr.. Lowe) also made an able ; 71l ec " r a,rle answer has been attempted. My hon. e,,,etin uer (Mr. S. Wortley) followed in the sallle r 4 tte . To answer is attempted by the promoters of . ~ k le tite ' ,The arguments we hear are all for inquiry_, ~ ° Ps oo !"la to fight the battle against inquiry. We kthe bes t inqui — ey. On the contrary, we say, 4, i 4ore the most searching inquiry, but do not, inquiry give us that which we believe le r e ei lta P°sture, if n ' ot a mischief, and which, iu a kast R '' Prove both." (Hear, hear.) The hon. mem ettlte-li!re7 (Mr. Drummond) made a speech to alas,Tiog as his speeches always are ; and ms , ; Le ' s ' r e, imagines he made a speech in favour eye Oslo ' a l a ugb)---but all minds are subject tea be- I▪ 2 3 " ---- (langhter)—and perhaps the most. brit -0 there not exempt from the infirmities which ' ei:i„ n ! e n- What did my hon. friend say ? He oit w :,',unito danger in this committee, and. I can- It t s ?is ots ,., 44 a safe conscience, unleess befsrehand you tkke rough as to the course which the examine : 1,4 s . (Rear, h ear .) It i s no t f or me t o co nstrue of tl ,'• u nderstand the explanation of that to be , a n d code of ques ti on ' s w hi c h are t o be put in tl eten si ' e la a meaning I give to it. (Hear, hear.) 4 ble 1 0 „We had more imeeortant declarations still er _ ra the member foe. Totnes (Lord Seymour), tionaerienee and ability appear to - designate him t l eitei,l, ,, ll the minds of members of this house as the ell tO'in hear the eonimittee. It was the most cruel rtoe, "ar the hi n , ti ittee. ''' of charges which he urged t ok week , eiy memory is too weak to retain Pai n easerfere, he said, with the operation of ISl ° . ,tay , -- It would be unjust -in short, there t' • r uaht hon. friend (Sir J. Graham) that the •i• si..llot endorse. (Hear, hear.) Then, see the ye, iZeattend the choice of Che r )embers o a f eo yo m ur . ap, s t let s n a gentleman makes his motion . for . 'e e it, „ n obody. We do not know who is going to ;'aa'rep o ; i 7a votes are recorded for or against it as an li'''"te s e_"' °4 . But it is a bad sign if, when responsi- Nos be driven home a little, by asking a man to \N e e e n kit tee, you then find that it is difficult to get \ l!, , lle te 'iutaitte e of persons who are favourable to the te7ikt i , la a sentiment of Mr. Burke, which, l d ike all us Nto ~s founded on practical wisdom,toan commit ~ , ,1 N ei is effect :—" That you ought not co d.e.. e el,,lte o of an engine to persons who altogether di s °°o pa th!latnre and character of the engine." (Hear.). ‘k kle ki t, tt le tha t maxim by the proposed composition of k vi ttil I t is to consist of eleven members, and all, e 'see l ' r e are four of whom there is no doubt at l a , 0 di nesl v o recorded their sentiments in a par la , ' ~ e 'Vt t lk v , s , a gainst the committee—there are p Mr l . as Zel o 7ale";' ) ur, Mr. John Ball, and General ee . si ' t ee l 'aa 4 t hat of my honourable friend Sir GThorge I .h, N. I. 4 tei,t 4° Opportunity of voting ; he may, there f''''tZ, te„ll",, a 'l neutral ; but I rather think I can divine . . 4 'ra' e gea'.l,',7 likely to have entertained upon the sub "' t4.bia, '''''. ll ld not go wrong if I put him down as I N:oil: 4) 4Z then, we have five men, not for stifling s 'ate ti copiTte l e st ring of the committee. We come n next o .4 tp:! Ike i ll 9t,br West Surrey (Mr. Drummond), d ak e .' 4 4,:hei,ea to go into the committee rke ° unless its d out for it by e h ` t t tsv or ` 4 ,(l . p o ja, and its so a n. tatu!_te, `l l l . ar instructions urs e of m t a his house. He would , o tin e g s the hon. member for l ' C eo llq.4.. c La Y A ar it d e ) r who, a u in the most manly man 't,coollelittZlecaled., or suppressed his opinions respect; tte,"e Of ii: • H 0 used strong language on the su o b f j t e h c e vitoi anal „"? first debate ; but he drapproves hi vous t o e t euilts it a bad, and possibly misc . e , kN i l 't' derthatmi lii 'et trhalt• Thus ou have a majority—sm mel.a kt ery \Seer:dimLeen who 1\ eMb Y er for West Surrey—and it appointingthis committee not diapprove of its appointment i . ; 14 ate th e ma "" 0 . Vte ad of th jority upon. it. There are three . mere .n \Sei e „ ol , ese I doubt if there be one who is i s esb e , anattee in his own mind. lam an opponent iOm t u anot ; but I owa my opinion is, that if the Yke l i4 .) Y ballot on the subject of the appointment of i l 'ae k i ll lee,"" t " , I say that that side of the question would 4 4, 1 It th.. o Most respectable muster, and that it is not N,1 0 1,, 44 15 t it would be found in a majority. (Laughter.) e, I 'IN - t e 4 a. r on the other side ? We heard fromthe e ,"tia the Wenlock (Mr. Gaskell) theta it is impossible 0,,,.i e ° n. ,,People would be content without a committee, Vie k oo k Y kl ce - vs ' o t n t Y_ hon. friend had to sa t. y. s ßu l t v l n h en av w e e m e o n re . i , iecie e r Yinen and our mstitu ion . e' , t e-Ce. l a , wei!, s , I believe our duty is to come forward and tl;,,,"raen frilly, and I say that the very debate of a t_o: eilc e ', l ete,, e ' '''att. , 4,'" 7, r macTh to my right hon. friend's P ' 'efie ''ll 'as.Z i aich wo did not expect it, the manifesta tiw,-;itp,-,,,,,i,1rik,t. this committee, and the total want of k‘ te e t hai o ,,sees t o It is an instrument:well adapted for the kl 'i - ,: ec bior n io4 Seek—amply convince me of therecti 14C 2 )"*lf Cleq ~,...'4 d the wisdom of applying it to practice . °ll ' l le- "'oss 4 72• There is a topic connected with this ze t is4 th t aati e Pee k ; ° ‘afrect the house, but does affect myself et As ol p t all i who has so_recently held office, to which l tl t i 4f ore toed 4 4 g. I frankly own it would hav a e m be a e n n . `•li vs k i We n hie t o .rice myself that I was acting i n 'til t , r , 6" app oi ' 8 laws of personal honour, if, being task a v : epoo'3l‘) nil t eol Lord Raglan to his tremendous N,, 'll,,° 'e - ee ° tai e ?tie of those who stood by whilst all the 44°t't'11:, In e ti; 1 4 11 . _ the Crimea were made -if while he s kie. 'IV ti ght e 'ask, and we, the advisers of the Crown ill h!llie ro roofer to recall him, we had declined to act Ytt4' ho zio „ a44 Protectors, and had handed overtheor the . lo s , e Ple of ce nunittee of this house (Hoar.)l id it . N„at 11 % ! °l . 7e rnment that no persens being advisers . o t f te', it en : r ight to pursue such a course. They appoint 4, iti l : 4 lolC: 7 be, to the ends of the earth, and there d - 4,:tetk'opei.wl.wfully responsible, solemn, difficult, comp 1- ‘4 4 1 to s o , 4 ",ehnine duties that can fall to the lot of . man. 'ete . s tl 'ate ( r t laden with a sense of their responsibility a v , k et o ,f h oe di a profession of which the it country air is its ye te th `tiry se -°ll r, men who have served their country for 'O 4 IZO omen who have been mutilated in its service — VI 7 1 . 4 8 - ``U to lead your armies, and charge themselves service— y, s v Pon sibilitie• upon your and our account. They ea I ' l !l h. its, ; I I that during their absence they cannot have Val o 'ite vs , i t ' s na free, it may be licentious, comment. .They Irta k att e. ` that it is incidental to our free institutions A > k an er s Where the hearts of the people are deeply '/ P te a e h arP and painful things, many hasty, pre.cdi kit 0 thl, l ?re tuijust and cruel things, may be f sa th i ai . 01,: , 1 1q i a 3 "ue Mouths of honourable members o will be '4 . ti t h a ,.; stopped ; and that here, thoset?o,hitchhinge who • r) Ps imperfect lioueday in d fo ee rm pl a 3 ,ion, lament w having said.. Il e . li a l . i la ote B nrely, these are hard circumstances for the . y, vis t vett, 'ere Commanding the army in the Crimea to en A'tliitip . ne one defender? Is there no one body of men l S se 'is ; a Whose duty it is to support or recal them. !, si l e (N o n a that body of men is the advisers . of l the_ . , th!at 4l A 'l se ra r ) Upon them they have a right to . re y Ne'reeolie r i• O ng as the advisers of the Crown continue to at,aief i e a,ence in thom by leaving them in the exercise tiyaoeb„"gich nothing but their confidence can justify, " I , 1 0.1: 111 je st t hey be a shield for their character and honour :i, ( ll ,*t e e , e attack, and never consent to hand over even ..,,. chair of this house the casket which contains f bv, , ," 1 '1 0 . a 4 . 11 d honour. (Cheers.) When 1 speak 'a in klaeje• e e a Personal honour, I do not pretend to judge , et 1 ;,;( 0 not suppose myself b e tter qualified to fix a. O 'ho e ga t is conformable with personal honour than , y, acil t ilts;' friends who are now Ministered' the Croke :ikl,,itii:iti.,,t: I, rt , a in th t e h y at , they are more competent than I am VVA `high"'tMtter andthat limy would adhere to any y have reetignieed: ' Brit 1 think it o'l4 hole Mate to the house that which I confess deeply . \ liat o ll ., fril„": a mind. What is this ecruunittee ? My 'i th t tha. t c," (Mr. Walpole) thinks he proved much when, k i tl elf. i tlis . ?ignag others,sserted the right of the house te 'lie," le W l !' and to account. If he chooses that eVelt Ptah to show his prowess, I apPrehend he will, ki l le: t e - " h ° ,l t a champion to engage him. :I am *L'a43'` - lt - tiel i nit but to assert that right. But that is not Vok t : ap po . Surely you will not tell' me that yo f u ea a l r l e . eo .le coe vst into this committee for the purpose o hear ) 1) 4 0' ag a . ' l e Generals in the Crimea. (Hear, li 'll % a In 't the committee is that you cannot help rt,,,}l,ltl'el. se:°llllittee of accusation against them ; but we I . e , l '.) f ,lee ke P P ° seci You capable of imagining such . a scheme 4 , e 'ce lt i e e ntillg 'charges against them in their absence. 'yt %Ili, - Perfectly plain that a coittee for the pur- Vee 'ke etia! th e Generals to account stna committee that , :sl e ori et h011',17 follow the facts, and there is my answer to li!'at,, t(l tie l ;,,.. fk i s. end. (Hear, hear.) My right hon. friend has , ;,.L t .; 1A ..;)," 2 ,lB torical learning in the production of pre e.i." t,"DeW., "ye cases he shows that an investigation of N. eti„"°as has b een en t rus t e d by the vote of this t r o l ev o N e t eo ramittee s • but my right hon. friend's (Sir tt lilist eekhlie r t. ect ions to a ' select committee in this instance 'lei lit 'Os is 1 and secondary objections. We deny . that ko t 3 ' 5:, -- ' e gitimate—we deny that you will act either %lc Tietitutionally it you undertake yourselves, at l a t ", t 14 4 ,0 iti - ,nae, much More if you instruct a select com ere, 'the -ssigation of the state of the army pending a ; ,!,ti t :, b e -'„ ePeration That is the ground of contest, and 10,,:k r e , gi.° ' st ake M ;bout it. (Cheers.) I do not mind , it,"%,, t hie e k e r e a s. am concerned the unanimity that pre '7l3' 1 1 , 4 t ha - C u ' Ple t• In the first place, lam sure that pre eN, eet i , 4 9 1 estiou will be displayed. It has, unfortn -414.4 -14 Of Ire d uP with the political considerations and Nth Party . e t 4, at 1 .,,, . but when we examine the questi . on . I ara lk A At l at a e ' n arid justice will prevail ; and if it ap e,:eistrpeos °lmnittee is not a legitimate instrument for ii':: ), t ry . f or ''. ° Which you propose to apply it, the mere t is') hav o l e TinirY by a committee is one that . is easy for 11 to 110 ' conleaase resolution and manliness to resist. Hear, e t t it l i t o to i no `it,tee of punishment, I presume, the commit sre- k ke ll „Qall t o ' ... _oecause yon will not say that you k Ne 4 !nla e 7coaut the generals and others who exercise 4lekaaitto,,acad r esponsible situations in the Crirnoe. and s if4 "eilee forte remedy 4 If so, is it the most effectual ishouse e t 4 gaited forrne hey ? Are committees o 'ell:10(1111'4d the purpose of applym' g effectual and es to e - T 4B ousting 3,000 miles off ? I once sat The his air Mr. Mr. El THE S o 0 a committee of this house relative to operations at a dis t twee—the rebellion in Ceylon. That committee sat two sea s' .4103.5, yet its report was utterly abort ve, nugatory, and a‘ Worthless. It confessed the it competency of the committee t , )(deal with the subject, and ended by recommending the ap e ointment of a commission. Your committee can remedy i frothing because its powers are limited to this coun t xy. Now, is it to examine into the state of the army in the Crimea ? It has no power to do so. Its power , toes not extend through the medium of this I souse beyond the limits of the kingdom. You can hear wit r misses at home, but you have no power to compel witnesses I a the Crimea. I will not speak of the conduct of my noble f fiend, but it is impossible not to see the advantages of the I aeasure which he proposes to take. He proposes to send out eommiseioners with full powers; they will search into the truth, and Lord Raglan will have power to apply remedies. You must spend twice the time by means of your committee, bi order to ascertain the truth, than will be required if the .otb er means are adopted. It is only that the really formidable oha ratter of this committee comes out when you come to this poi nt. It is not a committee of punishment or remedy, but a eeoramittee of government. It is simply the taking out of tb,e hands of the executive government the highest and most i i elicate of its offices. lam bound to say that I think such a i proceeding is wholly incompatible with the real convenience .In the part of Parliament of those who hold the executive, : and entirely incompatible with the confidence and the credit .'eliat should attach to a Minister of the Crown, whatever poli tical creed or party that minster may profess. Is the ques tion, then, of the transfer of public functions a great or small eine stion ? This question is much aggrava ed because of the fours of this select committee ; for you are by this committee not only taking power from the Crown—you may find OM• sion al precedents for that—but you are going to delegate that rpoerer to a small committee up stairs. It seems to be an im pree,sion that this is an easy matter ; that it is easy to come to this state of the facts, and that if the facts are not escor t min ed it is entirely on account of the negligence of Govern suen.t. I ask the house to bear with me while I give an illus st ration of the case. The hon member for Aylesbury stated eme case on which it was obvious, he said, the'house could p roceed at once. The dismissal of Captain Christie, the h Wad of the transport service, might take place at once on a< =count of inefficiency. Now, let me put the case to the house, aad let us see how the matter stands. It will show how the Government of my noble friend proceeds when the facts are .clear. The honourable member for Aylesbury says—and his statement was received as part of the case against Govern ment —why do you not dismiss Captain Christie after the miens emagement he has been shown to have been guilty of. Han Captain Christie been put out of office ? (Hear.) Is that all ? Captain Christie was on his way home—he had reached Malta -when my right bon. friend, learning he had been charged with mismanagement, made him return to the East.; in order that he may undergo a trial by court-martial. Are these facts unknown to the house ? The hon. member for e_e_ylesbury says that Captain Christie is guilty of misma nagement. I will practically show some of the bearings of the question by mentioning how reports are sometimes dealt - er',Uh. Somebody comes from the Crimea in November, and tap so and so. Au hon. member eoines down to the house and reports that he has seen a gentleman, who h .s told him that our army has perished—has nearly gone. Now, apply this to the case of Captain Christie. A gentleman (Mr. Layard) left the Crimea in November ; but then comes the hon. mem ber for Linlithgow, who left the Crimea in December, who, in a plain and manly manner, declared that he had the means of judging of the great merits of Captain Christie, and it was with the utmost grief he heard he hal been visited with cen sure. His testimony was that of an eye-witness, and we may learn from this, owing to contradictory witnesses, that to get at the truth 3,000 miles off is no easy matter. So, therefore, I say it is better to have those who can exercise inquiry on the spot than a committee who eau only inquire at a distance. Sir, I object to the committee on constitutional grounds. It may seem visionary and pedantic for me to, do so. I hope I am no pedant on constitutional questions. My opinions are of a Conservative character—{laughter, and oh) —certainly not /of an extremely Conservative character. (Ob.) Yet my Coeiservative feelings revolt from taking the functions of the executive Government, with respect to the army in the field, partially out of the hands of Government, and con ferring them on a committee of this house. Sir, it is not for me to say there is almost no precedent for this course. If you ask where is the constitution of England t s be found, is it in Blackstone, in De Lolme, in Hallam, or in other writers on our laws—l say, sir, without fear of con tradiction, that no small part of our living and working con stitution is to be found in the usages and precedents of the House of Commons. (Hear, hear.) The power of the House of Commons, if we look at it in the abstract, is sufficient to plunge the country into confusion ; but the wise limits you put on that power enable you to wield it without crushing other bodies which are charged with other powers. I have heard people say—who set aside all ideas of this kind—that the extreme emergency of the occasion —the extreme grea.tness of the calamity—make the present an exceptional case. I tell hon. gentlemen that all bad precellents grow out of excep tional cases. But, suppose this is an exceptional case ; take all the precedents you can on that score, and it is still subject to that condition, that to meet calamity on the instant you call into action an instrument more powerful than can be applied. If we had power to fall back on an extreme case, I could understand your argument. But you make your argu ment •an excuse for bringing into operation an instrument that must prove weak and futile, as you are not armed with power necessary for your purpose. Your whole argument thus cuts the ground from under you. No answer has been given, to my right hon. friend on the subject of the fearful— the solemn consideration he has referred to—namely, what bearing the inquiry will have on the state and discipline of the army of the East, and its relations with our ally. The right hon. gentleman the member for Droitwich thinks he has distinguished between the policy of the expedition to the Crimea, and the circumstances under which it took place. That task, however, the right honourable gentleman found too difficult. But suppose a case. Suppose the question was introduced of the lateness of the season the army went to the Crimea, and the want of information. Did those questions apply to England alone ? (Hear, hear.) Did the French army go to the Crimea sooner than the English army ? (Hear, hear.) Is the right hon, gentleman aware of the time the besieging train left Toulon ? One point to inquire into cannot be passed by. Is the committee to inquire why no roads were made from Balaklava to the camp ? If no in quiry----instead of ascertaining the state and the cause of the state of the army, the inquiry will be a fraud. If you take evidence on the subject and inquire —the answer will be— want of labourers. Why so ? Because the men were em ployedtin the trenches. Why send so many men into the trenches ? Because of their extent. Why such extent of trenches ? Because the labour was divided between the Eng lish and French army. I hope it will not be supposed for a moment that I wish to insinuate a doubt as to the gallant spirit of the French, and their disposition to lend every aid in their power to the British general. But what the French may justly claim from us is this, and what we should assert for them as ourselves, is that they should be indepenaenri.zt their judgment on, such matters, and that no committee of the House of Commons should presume to interfere. I tell you again that the inquiry will be a mockery if you do not inquire into the absence of the road ; and if you advance from this and make the question turn on the distribution of labour, and whether the road was sufficiently well or otherwise made, with the best intention, you will find that those inqes will run you up into questions of the most intimate relations not be be tween France and England. The ste p , however, shall taken without warning. Tho patience of the British army is great—its discipline is admirable. I will not answer of for the temper of the army under the protracted applicaion such a machinery as that contemplated by the committee of in quiry. It is impossible to pursue this subject without touch ing on ground too tender and too delicat e. I may, perhaps, have already gone too far. My excuse is, t hat I desire to pre vent great danger and embarrassment. What are we to do ? We are told we had better assent to this committee, because if another government came in it might do something as bad or worse. With great and sincere respect to right hon. gen tlemen opposite, I say, without acrimony, I have difficulty in understanding the course they have pursued on this question. lam quite sure they would not pursue it if they themselves had succeeded to power. I have a suspicion or hope that if Lord Derby cause into power three weeks ago —or possibly now—that we should combine to get rid of a committee—a weak and mischievous committee—and to sub stitute something better. But that is not our matter. Ours is a business of the highest consequence— to sound our con science, and to be governed by its verdict. Still, can we endure to be told we ought to have thought of this three weeks ago ; that the House of Commons would not reverse its judgment. It is not a light matter, however, to be con victed of levity, though it is betterqo do that than to commit great blundersiweunderstood). Nothing, however, can justify us in concurring in a policy we think to be false and ruinous. Since the first vote of the House of Commons. no doubt my noble friend would entertain the same opinion of the com mittee as he did before. My noble friend is perfectly aware that before my acceptance of office became announced to the world, that I had the satisfaction of some conversation with him, in which I was told that the continued apposition of Government would be offered to the Motion. This can be no secret, for the right hon. gentleman opposite must have ob served this was the only meaning of a portion of the noble lord's speech which he then delivered. So much, then, for the personal and Parliamentary part of the question. I am obliged to speak in a strain of egotism. I have advanced opinions that are adverse to the views entertained by a large maiority ; but I hope I have made it clear that the ground by which I and my right honourable friends were actuated was not an aversion to inquire into the cala mities Which had occurred in the Crimea, or the alleged mismanagement. I . hope the house, with its own broad field, with its own great and noble vocation—rely upon it you have enough to do. There is the prospect of army reform. Why not let us close with the hon. gentleman's proposition, and prosecute inquiry 7 You will have to in quire into the whole system of admission of training and promotion. The honourable gentleman said that merit ought to be the only ground of promotion in the army. I answer that I am bound to say, when reform in the army comes to be practically carried out on the principle that the sole basis for public service ought to be merit, the hon. gentleman will find that the greatest obstacle to overcome will be found within the -walls of this house. (Hear.) However that may be, I hope the house will be content to deal with the great question of the relation which the Indian army ought to bear to the army, and I trust that question will be brought to a successful issue. I regret on this question we are opposing ourselves to popular feeling. I know that in times of public :excitement lamentable scenes have occurred —blood - has been shed, under the idea th at it was a fitting atonement for the mismanagement of the public service. When we look back, the deeds of our forefathers fill us with horror and shame. We live in milder times. And the fault perhaps is that public servants are not called to an account sufficiently strict—(hear) —and that responsibility is only made real, and not a name, through the medium of a feeling of honour. No such scenes are now to be apprehended ; the feelings of the people h ave been aroused—they do not desire to be shocked by the repeti tion of scenes that have passed ; their feelings now find vent at the first sight of Parliamentary irregularity (we under stood). But we shall see Parliamentary irregularity first of all disappoint public) expectation ; next involve cruel injus tice ; and last of all exhibit the dark side of public disaster. It is our duty, whether many or few, alone or attended, to protest against this measure ; and the resistance we offer here, with the great pain of wounded feeling, and with the utmost respect to the representatives of the people, is accom panied by the fixed and unalterable determination to do that which we conceive the public interests and our sense of justice demand. (Cheers.) Viscount PALMERSTON Sir, I can assure my right hon. friends who have this evening explained to the house the grounds on which they have separated themselves from her Majesty's Government that I shall not utter a single word of criticism on the course which they have thought it their duty to pursue, convinced as I am that they acted from the sincere conviction that their duty pointed to the path they pursued, and that by so doing they not only intended iu the best manner to give effect to their opinions, but they per formed their duty to their country. I feel the greatest regret at having lost the assistance of the right hon. gentlemen with whom it was my good fortune to act during the last two years, and of whom I can say, with perfect truth, that which they said of those they have left, that'there prevailed amongst us the most eurdial confidence, and that on those great ques tions now Reding for action and decision no difference on the great p e osipies of policy whi , :ll Government pursues ex isted. On the other hand, I must say that at the time when it was leer ittojesty's pleasure to command we to @IlaOAYOllr 0 form a Government, it was impossible that either I, or those with whom I was about to act, should have shut their eyes to the fact, that there was the committee which the house had determined should sit, and the appointment cf; which we ninst. be prepared to meet. I stated on a former occasion the objec tion to the course which the house, by a large majority, had determined, nevertheless, to pursue. Those objections, to a certain degree, still remain. But when .I considered what was the real nature of the course the house followed, it was im possible not to see that when the question, originally passed by a great majority, that the great majority which passed it were actuated by two separate and distinct motives. A great portion voted because they thought the inquiry ought to take place. But unquestionably there was another por tion who, as has been stated by my right honourable friends, supported the motion because they considered it was a vote of uo confidence in the Government. ( Hear, hear, hear.) Well, sir, the motion was carried. We resigned our offices. Her Majesty then commissioned Lerd Derby to form an other Government. That noble lord was unable to do it. I stated to him why I thought that under the circumstances my junction with hint would nut enable him to form that strong government which it is admitted on all hands the country requires. The attempt of the noble lord failed. My noble friend the member for London then endeavoured to form a Government. My noble friend was equally unsuccess ful. Why, then, I felt having been called on, that it was my duty to endeavour to the best of my abilities to form a Go vernment—(cheers)—to form that Government which the country so urgently required. If we had not formed a Go vernment, the result must, I presume, have been that that noble lord, who felt that he could not with credit to himself, or advantage to the country, form a Government—would have boon again obliged to make the attempt, and to present a Government to the Sovereign the best he could find. I do not deny that there are great objections to this committee. But the country took it up in a different sense from that he which many members voted for it. Many hone members voted for it as an indication that they had no confidence in the Government. But the country knew no refinements of that kind... The nation having had its attention deeply fixed on the events that had taken place in the Crimea —having had its feelings deeply wounded by the recital day by day of the sufferings brought on the army engaged in these opera tions—the country seeing that there had undoubtedly been mismanagement in various departments concerned in the operations, honestly and sincerely desired inquiry. (Cheers ) Men did not first stop to ask what Government was to con duct the inquiry, but they said " There is something grie vously wrong ; we insist on an inquiry into the causes of the mischances that have taken place." That opinion of the coun try reacted on the house, and when we met after the Govern ment was reconstituted, and after other attempts to make a Government had failed, we found ourselves in this position, that though we might not have desired the committee, either that it should not be appointed at all, or its appoint ment postponed, we had no right, any of us, to deceive ourselves by expectations that it was possible to resist the committee altogether, or to press the house to rescind its former decision. I did undoubtedly think that when wo should have stated to the house the various changes, improvements, and administrative reforms which we were Prepared to make, and the inquiries which we ourselves were making into the causes of these mischances in the Crimea, that the house, for a time at least, would have foregone the appointment of a committee, an I would have waited to see the result of the changes, and of our inquiries. But I never would have undertaken the task of forming a Government, nor would my right hon. friends have joined me in the task, if we had endeavoured to stake our continuance in office on the question whether this house would continue to affirm the vote it had come to. We should have thought that we wore not acting worthily—that we were trifling with the house and the country if we had determined in our minds, to shrink from oar posts if the house should not be persuaded to re- 6 scind the vote it had come to. No doubt there may be incon venience and evils attending the inquiry, but I think it a greater evil if this oceasi ,npreseutedto the world the lament able spectacle that in consequence of personal differences i toe departments of Government—of the division of parties— we should for a month or six weeks be unable to find a set of public men who could present themselves to the country as a Government undertaking to conduct the public affairs. And at what period does this occur ? At a period when we aro car rying on a great and arduous war—when we are engaged in most important operations—when on the one hand energy and vigour in the conduct of hho war are required, and on the other hand a great degree of conciliation and moderation may be required to conduct the negotiations for peace. I think, therefore, we have followed the course which it was our duty to pursue. I think if we had abando red our posts on this oc casion —if we had set our opinions up against the deliberate judgment of the nation—if we had undertaken the vain task of resisting the unanimous sentiments of the people by attempting to refuse inquiry, I think we should have un dertaken a vain task, and should not have performed the duty which we had engaged to perform. (Hear, hear.) I have been asked by the honourable member for Manchester whether we intend to abide by those prepositions of peace which were settled by the Cabinet which existed before the first vote of the house on the question of this com mittee, and concurred in afterwards by the reconstructed cabinet. Most assuredly we do abide by those propositions. Most unquestionably the instructions under which the noble lord the member for the city of London is now proceeding to Vienna are founded on those resolutions to which my friends on that bench were parties. And when lam asked if we are prepared to negotiate in good faith, I say wo are so pre pared, and that if we were not we should be unworthy not only of holding office but of being members of this great assembly. (Hear, hear.) We are as anxious as mon can be to be able, in terms consistent with the future safety of Europe —consistent with the attainment of those objects for which the war was begun—to put an end to the war by an honour able treaty ,f peace. But I think if by an over-desire for peace we were to conclude what would be more properly a hollow and insecure truce than a safe and honourable peace, we would be leaving open the sane sources of da n g er as those which had - brought us into this arduous straggle—(hear, hear.) If we were to agree to terms which would leave that danger in all its former aptitude, instead of deserving. the thanks of the country we should deserVe its censure ; for in that case we should have betrayed the trust reposed in us, and achieved a temporary peace while we had laid the foundation of great future calamities. (Hear, hear.) That then is the line Government is prepared to pursue. We have felt it our duty, in a moment of great emergency, when other persons who had had an opportunity of forming a Government were unable to do so—when the question put to ns was whether we would leave the country iu, I may say, a state of anarchy, or whether we would undertake the Government—we have felt it our duty, I say, to under take the task. (Hear.) We intend to perifirm it honestly and conscientiously. If peace is to be obtained on terms con sistent with future security, it will not be our fault if peace is not so obtained. If; on the other hand, it should happen that the abilities of the noble lord the member for London, and the sincere desire of the Government to put an end to willthe war be o o n u r p r dutyoper c t o o n d p i r ti o o s n e s n , u t s e h t o b u e l d w u u n r l t i b l y fail, that t hrigourit which may be necessary for its successful termination. In t md h iotr a ile t tr e eee is tet e ,:p w tdai e rtiffe a ase r : e etolf p cbe e ts r oh s e u lm a h.a d oiy e u d seex t , hat we shall not appeal in vain to the generous spirit of Parliament. I am' convinced that or this is not a part& e qu f es a tion as ; di t se h tt that toblwhetaewtae differencesrwe e n here partiessh a lw representing aliwlil—hfcofettthhiane a t el e of ould. great exhib i e t m a P s i p re ec i ta n jealousies o h u e s e o s u o n i t . country—the differences c s e p s e o c w t an Europe, and that we ought not to pfarrootini b fe e humiliating and and i d d i m s p g ee r i ii t st c oa e nn f disgraceful iuo'brtlyindinivg ,country disablingthe l Parliament of this country cool those means by which alone the aff a a r h7o e f st t io h n : be properly conducted, and the arduous and difficult struggle in which we are now engaged brought to a successful and honourable result. Sir, these a.e the grounds on which we have undertaken the duty imposed upon us. If the house and the country should think that we do not properly per form the duty expected from us, and if any other Govern ment can present itself which will be more acceptable to Parliament and the country, then, sir, no feeling of personal consideration —no paltry love of power will induce us to cling to the posts we occupy longer than we think we can do so with advantage to the country and credit to ourselves. But until we find that wo have lost the confidence of Parlia ment and country—until we find that the the nation is disap pointed with us, and condemnsof p in u s b t l e i a e d op o ui cs o u n p , p , o a r n t d i ntgb eusgood long as we have the su pp will of Parliament a nd the country, the house may depend i s i b p a o l n l nitotwqeusiht atllboexpeorettsoutorswelbvieesbttobethceruotwmnosbta,saenedleethteadt wues to fill. (Cheers.) Mr. DISRAELI—I am quite sure that the noble lord is correct in anticipating that the existing Government in the present emergency-will receive a liberal and candid sup port from the house. But it would have been a satisfaction to the house if the noble lord could have made it conve nient to assure, us and the country that the Government was really in existence. (Cheers, and laughter.) The noble lord has omitted in his speech to answer the argu ments of the right hon. baronet the late First Lord of the Admiralty, and of tho right hon. gentleman the late Chan cellor of the Exchequer, against granting the committee, But the noble lord made another omission, almost as singular, for he forgot that we had been collected together to-day to hear .from the noble lord that he had at last been successful in forming an Administration. (Hear, hear.) If that be the case, I think it shows some want of consideration in the leader of the House of Commons permitting us to adjourn without having the gratifying information made known to us and the country: The noble lord says, "So long as we pos sess the confidence of the house and the country, we intend to do our duty, and to retain our • places." (Hear, hear.) : a p t . T v e o e hl right But what we want to know is, who are "we ?" (Renewed l cheers and laughter.) The moment, no doubt, has come of national peril—the emergency is granted by all. All persons in this house are prepared to lend the Government a generous and disinterested support ; but it does not appear to me to be a very severe condition that we should be acquainted with the members of her Majesty's Government—(hear, hear) — that we should at least know who those aro whom we shall support in the fulfilment of a great and °herons duty in cir- I cumstances so grave and trying. (Cheers.) In listening to the argument —or rather to the statement of the noble lord, f tsia o nhtn i et • edao i dn t in: was not an argument—l am bound to say that I find it informed noble iendlcausesloeoi retridad satisfactory ttesdwhdpi edoewuethhheln n odiieo o :cet i hass • cte c adol o lrfeoet h dahahi e ssnai r ot . stta e . C gyh h oet noblehr o s h . nil) attemptedso. rdl Administration, eohx colleaguesop we answercet e ve d ;r t , b h tibu a n e t t the n neithero argumentativebbhfv based r ese nt u e p o o n n d this n o f inquiry our o it t w he as p a vv r ee m rnry y me i oe n nuit t m— h i e Crimea. t(etheee,erws)b—lehb ßt the noble soewdtoitbeilnosrd supported language l d t ed opposed bt yi e his t G h that most t strenuous, and with opposition the most uncompromising when he formed past of the late Government. (Cheers.) That Government, however, ceased. to exist. It is unne cessary for me to refer now to the circumstances which intervened between that day and the day on which the noble lord received the high honour of a commission from her Majesty to form an administration ; and I only advert to the fact for the purpose of malt iug one observation, with the view of correcting an inaccuracy in the statement of the noble lord, with respect to Lord Derby's attempts to form a Government. Lord Derby never declined, as the noble lord has stated, the exalted duty imposed on him because he could not form a government ; he declined it solely because he could not form a strong administration. And, sir, I cannot admit that the noble lord, especially in the position in which he now finds himself, after a ten day's experience of his own most felicitous enterprise, has any just reason or any clear right to plume himself on his success over Lord Derby in this matter. (Cheers and laughter.) Let us look to the noble lord's former conduct as regards this committee in contrast with his present support of it, and in connection with his mode of dealing with his late colleagues. The noble lord, when a member of the late Government, opposed the committee to inquire into the causes which have led to the present condition of our army before Sebastopol ; I am bound to presume upon principle. (A laugh.) Since then the noble lord has become the head of a ministry, on which, no later than last Tuesday, he delivered the highest possible eulogium, congratulating the country on its possessing men of such sagacity, such wisdom, and such high polit cal qualities, as would live for ever in the memory of this house. (A laugh.) The noble lord when called upon to form an administration formed it ,upon the principle—if he formed it on,any principle —(a laugh)—of opposing the committee of inquiry. (Hear.) Th ere was no other subject; indeed, which required 6ny oOmmuui. ...:, 3N LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, FE.W.RUARY 24, 1055. -- - cation between himself and his late colleagues. (Hear.) The for Midhurst failed entle Ay in this essential particula. noble lord confessed, in fact, that as renrded his foreign policy that they related to op a ations which had been drawn there - was no difference between him and Lord. Aberdeen. to a close; whereas the es ran ch more importance. I ant sence of this inquiry is that it is There was only 'one question, then, m which the necessity about to take plan e into 4 mel which I odious whh are still i an e n pr x o- of a frank explanation existed ' as bet* up n the noble lord and gross. The other p aint on w ic ish to offer his late colleagues. The right hon. kirouet the late First p lanation is a matter of i s Lord of the Admiralty has explained & heady why there was afraid I hav e been ienfortu: 'late in expressing myself iudis not a perfect confideuce between hin and the noble lord , t ' ne t l y u p on it, ptherevii .e my meaning must have been but with an certain reserve which hi; r osition imposed on misa pp rehended by em rigl it hon. gentlema n oppos i te. The him. But the house had it from the right hon. gen tl e man right hon. gentleman bies , . of course, a perfec right to put the member forWiltshire, and the other right hon, gent'eman whatever construction he 3 ?leases upon any statement made member ; but, as far as I recol the member for the University of Oxfocd, that the concession by me or by any other Itoin of this committee was the subject on vhich they required a sect, I never stated tO the : souse that my noble friend at the me that be would form his Go clear and complete understanding with the noble lord; and, head of the Government told as I collect from them, the noble lord objected, in the expla- vernment upon the basis o' ,:. resistance to this committee, or nations which ensued, to the principle of the proposed in- that I asked for any stipadat io:1S from hint upon that subject. quiry, and expressed his determination to resist it. (Hear.) I never made it the eel:1)j act of stipulation at all. I never Well, what does the noble lord do ? Last Friday night he ex- mentioned it to my nobles fri end until I had ,vritten to him to a t tile desire, to pressed his intention of resisting the committee. On what acquaint him that, an ter the comeaunicatio ns we had had ground ? On theground that itwas unconstitutional. (Cheers.) respecting his foreign g Kilie: 7 , Not on any slight, paltry, or insufficient grounds, but ou the accept office under his A Z'rab castration. Subsequee'‘tlY, I had I w'o4 ready, most effective ground that could be taken in the ease-that it the pleasure to serve hi on at the time when I completed was unconstitutional. (Cheers.) Is it not a strange thing, the arrangements to take o then. I then inquired of my'lloile then, that the First Minister of the Crown -the head o f the friend what his intentions s vere with with reference to the new Government-should-within the space of ono short, committee. I never died oted him, and never thought of. " one little week "-be prepared to concede that which he askin g from him a n y sti p ale .tions upon the subject. (Hear, pronounced then to be unconstitutional? (Cheers.) And for hear.) He then stated li is intentions continued to be the what reason ? Simply because he preferred to remain First same as they had been. ,(1i 'ear, hear.) Minister-because, 'on his own showine, no ether person could Sir G. GREY said then t the explanation which had just form a strong Ministry. (Laughter.) I apprehend, sir, there been made by his right ;soul iurable friend had to a great ex are others who could form a Ministry as strews as that of the tent relieved him from the a ,ecessit y which he felt of offering noble lord, to say the least of it. (Cheers and l a ughter.)' The some observations to the le ouse iu reply to the speech of the, noble lord forms his Cabinet upon the basis of opposing the ri g ht honourable gentleman. opposite. There were in that committee to iuquire into the causes which have led to the speech repeated assumption s, without any evidence or proof, present condition of our army in the Crimea; and then, be- that his noble friend near him had formed his Governinent fore a week has elapsed, we find him rising in his place in this upon the basis of resistance ?to the proposed committee. As house, and stating that his Government is favourable to the a member of Lord Aberdeen's Government he had offered a committee, without at the same time alleging a single reason, strenuous, opposition to, - the motion of the honourable or offering the slightest argument, iu support of this Sudden and learned member for Sheffield. Subsequently, when lie and extraordinary change in his policy. (Cheers.) After had become a member of the Cabinet of his noble friend, ho listening for hours to arguments, which I think were unan- had come to the conclusien that in the position of unprece swerab'e , and which he might have grappled with if he chose dented difficulty hi which the country was placed, it became -and w hi c h, moreover, as the head of the Government and the duty of the Government tto withdraw any further opposi as the leader of the House of Commons, he might have conde - tion to the appointment of snbe committee in que s ti on . He seonded to answer-the noble lord merely intimates that he should, however, most emphatically deny that the Govern has changed his opinion, that he accepts a proposition which snnent of his noble friend had. been based upon the principle of so shortly since he had rejected as uuconstitutional--(hear, opposition to the nomination of the committee. The basis of hear)-and that he has altorod the basis of his Government. the Administration of his noble friend was the vigorous pro- Aud this is the man whose consistency and whose energy secution of the war, by all the means at his disposal, and with is to save the country ! (Loud cheers and laughter.) The all the energy which Parliament might enable him to exercise, noble lord, however, gives one reason to the house for grant- in order thus to secure at the earliest period possible a just ing the committee. He has found out since last Friday that , and honourable Peace. When he (Sir George Grey) had op there is a strong, an irresistible, public opinion all over the posed the appointment of thO committee, he had taken that country on the subject of inquiry into the causes which have course not because he winhed to deny the right of Parlia led to the present condition . 1 the army in the Crimea, and meat to make an investigation into the condition of our army that no ministry would be justified in opposing that feeling. if they thought fit, but because he entertained a deep sense But what kind of an observer of the disposition of the nation of the inconvenience which must result to the administr • ation must the noble lord be - what kind of an observer of public of the country from its nomination. He had felt that upon opinion in the country ? What skill must he have possessed that ground he was justified in his resistance to the motion in feeling the pulse of the public mind, if it is' only-since Fri- of the hon. and learned gentleman, the member for Sheffield. day last the noble lord has come to that c mclusion ? (Cheers.) ,Hon. members in that house had voted for that motion from That discontent that has prevailed in the country for many various reasons ; some because they ware honestly desirous months, and which has resulted in the destruction of the late of inquiry ; others. because they regarded the motion as a Government, never once induced the noble lord to suppose vote of censure upon the Government. Ti o retetion had this committee necessary. (Cheers.) Even when the noble lord been carried, and the Administration of Lord Aberdeen had is called upon to fulfil, perhaps, the most responsible duty then followed the only Course which was open to them to pur which any man can be appointed to, the duty of fo r ming a Go- sue. They had tendered their resignations to her Majesty, vernmeut for this co untry-at a time when a man thinks and those resignations had been accepted. In resigning the most deeply and feels most profoundly-if he thinks or f ee ls office which he had the - honour to hold he certainly eater at all-the noble lord still remains quite unconscious that this tamed but a very remote conception that he should again be committee is necessary. (Cheers.) The noble lord is, in fact, called upon to take a part in the Government. He, however, so ignorant or negligent o f the stale of the public mind ou had found it, in consequence of circumstances which subso the subject, that he forms his Government in defiance of that quently occurred, to be his duty to accept office under his necessity, and make a opposition to inquiry the basis of his noble friend the member for Tiverton. Lord Derby had failed ministry. Yet this is political sagacity-(cheers}-this is in his endeavour to form an Administration. The hon. gen the administrative ability which has reconciled us for two tlem•in opposite had, it was true, stated that Lord Derby had years to the late Government - represented by the First Mi- not said he could not form a Government, but that he could ulster of the Crown. (Hear.) After the speech of the noble not form a sufficiently strong Government. It was quite ob lord, I must confess that my hopes of the future as regards vious, of course, that an hon. member hi that house might his Governmeat are less glowing than they have been, collect around him a dozen gentlemen and call them a Govern (Laughter and cheers.) I have made these observations, not ment. The noble lord the member for Louden had been sub. in reference to the argument of the noble l or d, b u t i n re- sequently entrusted by her Majesty with the formation of a ference to his change of opinion, for which he has offered no Government. He had also failed, and then his noble friend argument and no reason to, the house. Of the necessity of near him had taken upon himself the duty of forming an Ad the committee I have not changed my mind, although I have ministration. He (Sir G. Grey) should most gladly have dc listened with attention to the arguments of the r i g ht h on . dined to become a member of that Administration, not helm gentlemen the late colleagues of the noble lord against it. any want of confidence iu his noble friend, but because he (Laughter.) It has been said that this is an unconstitutional deemed it to be extremely desirable.. that, under the circum. course for the House of Commons to take. I hardly care to stances in whic h the countr y was placed, a totally new Govern enter on that question, it has been so amply discussed before, ment should be constructed. The country had become impor nor should I even allude to it but for the remark of the right tunate for the formation of a Government, and he had hon. member for Oxford University. Sir, I did not come felt that he would not have acted consistently with his duty down to-night to enter on the question of the expediency or in withhholding his assistance from his noble friend. That the inexpediency of the committee. I come down by appoint- being the case, it became obvious that it would have been ment to hear the statements to be made and the arguments an insult to the house that the new Government should at to be used by those distinguished statesmen late members of tempt to rescind the appointment of a committee which by a the present Government-(laughter)-'and to listen to the solemn vote they had resolved to appoint. He admitted that arguments and statements of the noble lord in reply-. - The he had entertained a hope, when the Government was recon right honourable gentleman took the constitutional course in structed, and when his noble friend had announced his policy, making these statements, rud the house would have a clear that the house might of its own accord have acquiesced in the right to feel offended if they had not made a frank exposi- abandonment of the committee. The leaders of the party op tion of their views-as I presume it will be with the noble posite, in that and the other houseehad announced their ape lord for not making a similar statement after seceding so proval of the motion for the appointment of that committee, lately from Lord Aberdeen's Government. I did not come and the country had taken up the proposed inquiry as one to argue or to hear arguments on the necessity for inquiry ; which it was most anxious to prosecute. Under these cir that was settled by the overwhelming majority of the other cumstauces, he was not ashamed to say that he believed the night ; and I should be glad to see any minister who would Government which had been recently formed could have at dare to rescind that vote of the !louse of Commons. (Cheers.) tainecr no useful object by attempting to stennthe tide of But it is impossible not to notice the arguments adduced, public opinion upon the subject, and by prolonging the un however briefly. The right lion. member for the University certainty and the confusion of a protracted ministerial crisis. of Oxford taunted my right hon. friend the member for He denied altogether the proposition of his right hon. friend Midhurst for applying precedents to this case ; he did so be- the member for Carlisle (Sir J. Graham), that the determine cause he saw that the arguments adduced by my right hon. tion of the house to nominate that committee mid to prosecute friend made an impression on the house with which it was not that inquiry was a renewal of the vote of censure on the late easy for that right hon. frieud to geapple. (Hear.) The Government. Certainly no vote had been given, and no opi right hon. gentleman derides the appeal of my right hon. nion had been expressed by that house of a want of con friend to precedents, and will not condescend to argue the fidence in the Government over which his noble friend question, he says, on so low a ground. But the question of (Lord Palmerston) presided. The house, on the contrary, precedent was introduced by the right hon. member for Car- had voted willingly, and cheerfully, all the estimates neces lisle in his weighty and matured speech in the early part of sary for a vigorous prosecution of the war, and he thought the evening, and the right bon. gentleman went so far as to that there was nothing in the conduct of the house to justify admit, that though adverse to decide the question upon this her Mniesty's Ministers in abandoning their posts at the pre ground, many precedents, and those good ones, might have sent crisis. He deeply deplored the secession of his three considerable effect upon its decision by the house and by the right hon. friends ; he knew how difficult, or perhaps impos country. (Hear.) My right hon. friend, however, complied sible, it would be to replace them by men of equally eminent with these conditions. He quoted many precedents, and ability; and he thought it was not unreasonable that the they were good ones-some of them the right honourable Government should be allowed a few days more to fill tho member for the University even admitted to be relevant to places which they had vacated. The right hon. gentleman the issue. Some, however, there were to which that right the member for Buckinghamshire had said that a week had hon. gentleman objected. I will give him one that has not already elapsesusince these vacancies had take place. (Cries been alluded to in this debate. It is that which occurred in of " no," from the Opposition benches.) He said that the the year 1779, when Lord Cornwallis was examined before a right hon. gentleman had distinctly made that statement, committee of the whole house. What was the opinion of Mr. but it was manifestly unfounded, as two days only had since Burke on the subject, as given in the "Annual Register" for elapsed; and the housed culd not, he thought, feel surprised that year I Mr. Burke said this committee produced no great that the new appointments to those offices had not yet taken effect because of the bustle and confusion which prevailed in place. The right hon. gentleman ought to be the last man the house during its continuance. This shows how ;neon- to taunt his noble friend at the head of the Government for venient that high authority considered a committee of the not having been able to find at once three persons to fill whole house in a similar case to the present. Select commit- those vacancies, after Lord Derby had himself declared tees on analogous subjects granted by the house were not one that he could not find mon of sufficient experience or or two-their name was legion. Ido not, any more than the capacity-(Cries of " no," from the Opposition benches, right hon. gentleman, desire to put this question on the low followed by loud cheers from the Ministerial side of the ground of precedent, though I could adduce plenty of prece- house)-on his own side of the house for the construction dents, in the time of Charles 11., for instance, when the con- of a Government. He for one found no reason for with duct of the war by the Duke of York was made the subject drawing from the administration of his noble friend, of inquiry. They are to be found in the reign of Queen to whom he felt it his duty to continue to tender his humble, Anne ;in the reigns of George 11., George 111., and during but earnest support. (Hear, hear.) the regency. But Ido not place this question simply upon Mr. MUNTZ protested against their being giiided by pre the ground of precedent. I say that bad there not been cedents in that case. They had no precedent for the almost precedents to meet the present ease, it would ha ve b e e n total loss of an army of upwards of 50,000 men in the space the duty of the House of Commons to frame a precedent. of a few months ; and neither, he thought, ought they to look The circumstances under which inquiry is demanded are of for a precedent to guide them in their inquiries into so un the gravest character. A fine army has disappeared, and the paralleled a calamity. chief Minister of the Crown in this hone and the right hon. The motion was then agreed to. gentlemen who have seceded from the Government tell us- The SPEAKER then began to put seriatim the names of the in possession of all the secrets of the Cabinet, as th ey mus t proposed members of the committee, and the names of Mr. be-that the cause of all-these disasters is to them humph- Roebuck, Mr. H. Drummond, and Sir J. Pakiugton were cable. (Hear, hear.) If, therefore, there were no precedent agreed to without any discussion. for a committee, such as that which this house has, it wotild The name of Colonel Lindsa y havin g nextilien put, have been our duty, under present c i rcums t ances to have Mr. R. PHILLIMORE objected to their proceeding with formed a precedent. (Near, hear.) And, notwithstanding the appointment of the committee at that advanced hour. all the refinement of argument in which the rig on •ht li, gen e tl He thought it the more unreasonable that they should then man the member for the University of Oxford has indulged, come to a final decision on the subject, as the duties of the ho may rely upOn it that the peopleof B in committee hadnotyet been defined, and no one meut of passion, but in the calmest *gland, not a mo- proposed always feel, that with period of their existence, knew whether its inquiries were or wore not to be pro willdisasters so to the unparalleled as to be spective. inexplicable in their origin Chiefstatesmen Mr. WALPOLE said he believed that nothing but public it was the duty of their representatives of the day, into the cause of those inconvenience could result from a prolongation of that discus inquiredim -their first duty-to • am for inquiry," says the right disasters. (Hear, hear.) " I mon. He could inform the hon. and learned gentleman, that, for inquiry by a committee of thehon. gentlemen, " but not according to the rules of the house, as be understood them, a perfectly ready to admit that you whole house."' Well, lam con committee, fineitm eT u ith u o i i rt it es an t e e x e p v r e e n ss ts or from that house, must which had taken place pre cumstances, obtain a mode of inquiry might, under ordinary ch.- factory than that which is proposed likesy to be more sans- viously to its appointment. q by th e h en and learned air T. ACLAND continued to disapprove of the motion member, the member for Sheffield, admission amount ? I grant But to what does that for instituting that inquiry ; but he felt that no good effect You, that underordinarycir- could be gained by a prolongation of that controversy. cumstances, the Government may elm the function of Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said he did not sec any disad being into mal-administration, and m even of recommending vantage that could result from the appointment of the and devising a remedy. But, in the pre sent state of co mmittee, if it were to confine its labours to an inquiry affairs, the country has no confid ence in the Government. into the conduct of those departments in this country It is the conviction that no sincere and efficient relief whose business it was to supply the wants of the army. could be afforded by the present Ad ' • • Im a ke ministration- But he felt persuaded that any attempt on the part of the no distinction in that respect between the past and pre- committee to enter into military matters in the Crimea sent Government-(hear, hear)...et is that • • that conviction. would be productive of the most fatal consequences to the no efficient inquiry could be conducted under the auspices public service. people to rely upon their own Lord PALMERSTON-In 'answer to the hon. baronet House of Commons for redress and assistance. (Hear, Imuststate it is not • • The most laboured part of the (Hear, hear.) argument of the right hon. to the inquiries of the committee. It appeared to me that gentleman, - the member for the University of Oxford, the first:and main object to be attained was to appoint a cone referred to the na mes u p On t he list of ' the committee. He mitte n consisting of gentlemen in whose dis cretion and judg seems to be familiar with all the sentiments and opinions of malt the house might repose confidence. I think the selec the hon. zeembers whose names arc on that list, and ho says, - tion which has been made is one which does entitle the quoting the opinion - of a great authority, that nothing can committee to the confidence of the house. (Hear, hear.) be done effectually unless the individual who is employed is I think the names are unobjectionable ; and I, for one, am in favour of the task which he is engaged to execute. That prepared to repose in these gentlemen sufficient confidence was considered-but only by his friends-as an unanswerable to think that in the pursuit of their inquiry they will not argument. But does it occur to the right hon. gentleman that travel into the delicate or dangerous topics which have been that argument, if good for anything, is as much opposed to adverted to in the course of the debate. • It does not ap the appointment of every committee which is appointed to pear impossible to pursue this inquiry into the condition of consider the various subjects with which this house has to our army without travelling into those questions which affect deal as it is to the a pp ointment of that which is under our our relations with,our gallant allies. It would be very un consideration. Why, there is not a committee upon any su b - f or t u nate, therefore, if they should inquire into any sub j ect or ject which does not consist to of man y distinguish e d members matter which might tend t o wound the feelings of our allies ;- who cannot be suppo sed . fav ourable to the subject and I think it ca n not be too stron g l y impressed on the gen matter of inquiry. (H ear, h.ear be • s ) Is the ri g ht h on. gen tl e - tlemeu to abstain from any inquiry that would have so man prepared to go t he length of saying that th e nom i na ti on calamitous a result. If they pursue wit h p ro p er discretion of all such comm itt ee s should be resisted ? We have heard their inquiry, they will satisfy Parliament without incurring many sneers at Parliament, and we are t o ld that the Con- an y evil, and, therefore, it is not my intention to propo se an y stitutiou is in dange r because the noble l or d at the head of li m it a ti on . (Hear.) the Government has , within the present week, changed the . Mr. ROEBUCK-It is not my intention to move any in whole policy of his Cabinet. .But, i n my opinion, if you structions to this committee, for I think the words of my wish to deal a blow against Parliaments authority you can motion do limit the inquiry of that committee. The words not do so more effectively than i _Y . impressing upon the coon- are that they should " inquire into the condition of our army try that the elements of a Parliamentary committee before Sebastopol, and into the conduct of those departments are not adapted to the effective fulfilment of their purpose. The of the Government whose duty it has been to minister to the noble lord opposite 'declared but a week ago this committee wants of that army." Now, it appears to me that these words to be unconstitut ional, upon which he is to-ni ght prepared are definite, they explain themselves ; and such being the to stake the existence of his Government. The noble lord case, I think the committee require no instructions. The has again favored us with a flattering v i ew of impending house, when it selects a committee, generally has some confi peace. I believe that if peace can be achieved upon honour- deuce in that committee, and perhaps the house will allow able terms, the noble lord will, in his endeavour to secure 'it, me to say a few words upon the selection which has been meet with the support of this house and of the country. All made in this instance. I have to apologise to the gentlemen I can say is, that I hope the instructions which the noble lord , whose names I used in the first instance for not being able to has given to his late noble colleague the member for the City carry out my original intention. I found however that those of London are conceived in a more intelligiblee spirit than the names did no t meet with the confidence of this house, and I commun i ca ti on s which, upon behalf o f Lord Derby, he had therefore felt it my duty to place myself immediately in with the right hon. gentleman the member for the University communication with the noble lord at the head of the Go of Oxford-(hear, hear) -or than those upon which he an- vernment. The result of my communication with him is, nouliced to his late colleagues, that the basis of his 'Govern- that I have been enabled to present to the house a committee ment was to bo formed. If the noble lord the member for in which I think they have confidence-(hear) -and if that the City of London has go ne to Vienna to b e the promoter of committee deserves the confidence of this house it requires nto . peace with foregone conclusions in favour of war, it is not instructions. I perfectly agree with everything But J: yess think satisfactory, I apprehen d, for the countr y. I can, there - in g the difficulty in the way of this inquiry. The difficulty fore, only hope that the instructions whi c h th e no bl e the difficulty justifies and calls forth inquiry. Possible upon Lord , the member for the Cit y of Lon don has received is great ; I know we are trench in g as closely as . but still, have been couched in a franker spirit, and ex- a prerogative which we ought not to trench upon , melting pressed in more intelligible language than the condi- all that notwithstanding, we have before us an army . . demanding inquiry; which he made, a pparently, to be the basis of away ; wo have the people of countrythis the deres of our consti: his Government--(hear)-a Government which, after ten days and I believe eve should not . satiny I askedf (Hear.) he inqy haveor. has experienced a disastrous blow at a period when the noble tuents did we not grant t and' alone, that lord assures us it was most important that this country should It is on these grounds, ou these grounds have an effective administration. (Hear,) B u t now th e no bl e have ventured upon this delicate and, I will say, dangerous .lord does not find himself in a condition, at the conclusion of investigation. . for, depend upon it, you have a people to No inquiry, indeed, could be more delicate one short week, and after all his exertions and combina ti ons, and dang e rous , be not satisfied until they have probed to the cannot come down and assur e the countr y tha t h is Sove rei g n satisfy who will Possesses at this momen t a complete body'of responsible b o tt o m the circumstances which have caused t he destruction country. advisers. (Cheers.) , o f the finest army that ever left the shor es of this Mr. H. BAILLIE said he would not move his instruction Mr. GLADSTONE,-nn r ise to explain one or two points lat that late hour. But he hoped that the committee would referred to in the speech of the right hon. gentleman who be effectual and searching. i has just sat down. One of those points relates to the ques- The names of Mr. Roebuck, Mr. Drummond, Sir J. Pak tion of precedents, and upon that subject I merely wish to , ington, and Colonel Lindsay, as members of the committee, say that what I stated was, that all the precedents w hich I were then put and agreed to. On the name of Mr. 'aye Deing mentioned, were voted by the light bo4l goUtlero,an the member PHILLIMORE moved that Sir G. Grey be 4 substi- SI 'EAK ER.—The lion, gentleman must give notice of ier idment. (A laugh.) iyard's name was then agreed to, as also was that 4)f lie a. On the name of Lord Seymour, Mr. G:iIADSTONE.—I think I heard the noble lord sal that r alb iss some distinct instructions were laid down for tic() guida. ace of the committee he would not act on it. Mr. D ISRAELI.—If the noble lord will act as chairman of the co mil nittee, I am sure it would be worth all the instruc tions tin it could be given. (Hear, hear.) Thee name was then agreed to, as also were Sir G. Lewis and ( terieral Peel. On tine name of Mr. Bramstou, . _ Mr. 412,'ORRIT moved the substitution of Captain Scobell, pursu: tart to notice. He thought one naval officer at least should I)e on the committee. (Hear, hear.) The Sl 'EAKER was about to put the question, when Mr. RI ')EBUCK observed that they could examine as many naval Inc a as they pleased, therefore he did not see the ne cessity of • substituting Captliu Scohell. (Oh, oh.) Lord R ALMERSTON suggested that they should take the committee as it stood. Capt nn, .3COBELL would prefer any other naval officer to himself.. But, to examine harbour acQounts—Balaklava, for int7tanc. , — -a naval officer was necessary. (Hear, hear.) my, W ,LPOLE thought the names might be taken as they stood, tale if necessary, on a future occa s i on, th e name o f a naval o Cc, 3r might be added. (No, no.) The .31 ) 1. :AKER put the question. - The ioui , x, then divided, when there appeared. For. retaining the name of Mr. Bramstou 101 1 Foi substituting Capt. Scobell Majority for Mr. Bramston's name On motion that Mr. J. Ball be a member of the com mittee Mr. E :E NTINCK opposed the motion, and gave notice that on Mona i• he should move that the name of Sir George Tyler be ex lbstituted, as it was indispensabls that at least one naval Office r should be on the committee. Me. 13El IESFORD gave notice that he should, on Monday, move th. at Mr. Miles be added to the committee, as he was a connect 101 l of Lord Raglan ; and when the character of the noble lo rd. was to be assailed in that way it was most essen tial that ~:artme person should be appointed who would watch over the iinterests of the noble lord. Mr. R CEBUCK said this was the first time he had heard a proposal tee place a relative of a man in the dock on the jury. Mr. M. [I .ES trusted the hon. and gallant member would not persevere i a his motion, as be had every confidence in the committee'' that had been appointed, and thought the charac ter of the nq )ble lord perfectly safe in their hands. Ho thought it was the .1 ivii departments of the army, that ought to be in quired into. Mr. NAP: [ER said, before a man was placed in the dock it was usual tt prefer a bill of indictment. The house then divided, when there appeared— ,For rf3taining the name of Mr. Ball 93 A ga4 ist Majority —36 The 11.1.1Tbn of Mr. Ball was then added to the committee. Mr. R,9E:BUCK then moved that the quorum be seven.— Agreed to. The or for s of the day were then read over. The Co us. )lidated Fund Bill went through committee. The N uis !ewes Removal Bill and Diseases Prevention Bill went thr ones committee. The Army Service Act Amendment Bill was read a third time and passed. The Ciolisoli dated Fund (20,E0,000/.) Bill was read a third time. The h ouse, adjourned at a quarter past two o'clock. Mr. tuted. PA ELIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. _H OUSE OF COMMONS.—FEB. 23. ARMY BEFORE SEBASTOPOL. Committa , a nominated :—Mr. Roebuck, Mr. Drummond, Sir John Pakington, Colonel Lindsay, Mr. Layard, Mr. Ellice, L ord Seymour, Sir George Lewis, and General Peel :-- -Motion made, and Question proposed, " That Mr. Bra mston be ono other Member of the said Com mittee :".—Amendment proposed, to leave out the name of " 21r- Bramston," and to insert the name of " Captain S;;ohelf," instead thereof :—Question put, " That the name of Mr. Bramstou ' stand part of the Question :" the Howie divided ; Ayes 101, Noes 80. AYES.-101. Acton, J. Godcrich, Vis. Baines, lit. Eton. M. Goodman, Sir G. Baird, J.. Gordon, A. Ball, J. Grace, 0. Bat nes, T.:- (,reaves, E. Beamish, 7. Gr.gson, S. Biggs, Vr. Greville, Col. F. Bignold, ;Mr S. Grey, Sir G. Bonham-Carter, J. Hall, Slr B. is ou yerie,. Hon. E. P. II astte, Alex. Brocklehtirst J.. Heneage, Geo. 11. Brotherbm, J. Herbert, 11. Buckley, Gen. Ilorsman, E. Carnac„.3ir J. Ingham, H. Cavendish. G. Keogh,' W. Christie, C! , ,,lrnuel King, P. Cowper, 11:.F. Kill f, J. Craufurd, E, .11 J. (Aeon, Sir E. Deedes, W. Laslett, w. Dent, J Layard, A. U. Duckworth, ,S if J. T. Luce, T. Duncan. Viscount Lwihington, C. Duncombc, T. Macgregor, Jas. Dunlop, A. .Milner, W. Dunne, M. Mitchell, T. East, Sir J. Molesworth, sir W. E bringt on, Viscount Monek, Viscount Egerton' E . Montgomery, Six G. Fitzroy, Bran. 11, Me , tyn, T. Forster, C. Mulgraye, Earl of Forster, J. durrough, J. Fortescue, C. North, F. Fox, W. 4 0 borne, R. Freestun. Col. Ot way, A. French, F. Palmerston, Visct. NOES-80. Paxton, Sir J. reel, F. Perry, Sir T. Philipps, J. Phillimore, J. G. hieratic), 0. Ili iardo, t. Ro2buclr, J. Russell, F. C. Sawle, C. Scholefleld, W. • Seymour, W. Shelley, Sir J. Smith, W. tqnnerville, Sir W. Steel, J. Strutt, E. Sullivan. Michael Talbot, C. Thompson, G. Thornely, T. Water park, Lord Whatman, J. Whit breal, S. Wilkinson, W. Williams, W. Willoughby, Sir 11. Wilson, J. Winnington, Sir I'. Wise. A. Wood, Sir C. TELL EM Hayter, W. Berkeley, G. Adderley', C. Gwyn, H. Anderson, :Sir J. Herbert, Sir T. Archdall, 1,1 - .. Heywood, J. Bailey, C. Ililyard, 11. C. Ball, E. Ilume, W. Barrow, W. Keating, R. Bateson. Cant T. Kendall, N. Bentinck, G. Knatchbull, W. Bowyer, G. Knight, F. Branaley-Moore, J. Knightley, R. Bunbury, Capt. W. Knox, Col. B. W. Child, Smith Landon, W. cote, U A Lennox, Lord A. F. Cowan, C. Liddell, 11. G. Disraeli. B. Macartney, G. Duncan, G. M`Cann, J. Duncoraibe, Hon. A. Macgregor, John Dunconsbe, Hou.W. Macguire, J. oundas, G. Mslins, R. Du Fre, C. Mandeville, Via. Evelyn, W. Miles, W. Fitz(lerall, Sir J. Michell, Dr. W. Fitzgerald, W. Montgomery. H. Galwey, Sir W. Moore, G. Gardner, R. Mowbray, J. George, J. Mailings, J. aiadstone, Capt. J. Naas, Lord i Grogan, Edward Napier, J. liewdegate, C. North, Col. J. Oakes, J. O'Brien, P. Pakenham, Capt. E. Palengton, Sir J. Parker, R. Percy-, J. Phlnn, T. Pilklng ton, J. F. Smijth, Sir W. Spooner, R. Stanhope,. J. Stanley, Lord Taylor, Col. Tudway, R. Tyler, Sir G. Vance, J. Vansittart, G. Walpole, S. Whiteside. J. Woodd, B. Wyndha►n, Gen. TELLERS, Corry, IL T. L. Tooke, C. Motion made, and Question put--" That Mr. Man Ball be ono other Member of the said Committee :"—The House divided ; Ayes 98, Noes 62.. AYES-98. Acton, Joseph Grace, 0. Perry, Sir T. Anderson, &it J. Oreville, Colonel F. Phiilimore, J. G. Baines, Rt. Hon. M. Grey, Rt. lion. Sir G. Phinn, T. Baird, J. Hall, Sir Benjamin Pilkington, J. Baamish, F. Hastie, Alex. Ricardo, 0. Biggs, W. lieneage, ck.,..1i. Ricardo, S. B wham-Carter, J. Herbert, H. " Roebuck,'J. A. Bouverie, lion. E. P. Heywood, J. Rinsed, F. C. Brocklehurst, J. Horsmau, E. Sadleir, John Brotherton, J. Ingham, It. Sawle, C. Buckley, Gen. Keating, R. Schnigfield, W. lavendish, CrC. Keogh, W. Scully, F. Cowan, C. King', J. Seymour, W. Cowver, W. F. Lqslett, W. l , hclley, Sir J. CrauMrd, E. 11. J. Layard, A. H. Somerville, Sir \V. Decdes, willla% Luce T. Steel, John Dent, John Dent Lushington, C. M. Strutt, Bon. E. DackwJrth, Sir 3. T.B. M'Cana, J. Sullivan, Michael Dane .n, George kliine - W. M. E. Talbot, C. buncombe, Thomas 11 itchel I, T A. 7'honitson, G. Dunne, 111chael 31o1csworth, t-ir '. Thornely, T Ebrington, Viscount Monck, Viscount Waterpark, Lord Egerton, Edw. C. Montgomery, Sir G. Whatman, J. Fitz Gerald, Sir John Modyn, E. Whitbread, S. Fitzroy, Henry - Mulgra , c, - arl of Wilkitt,on, W. For, :ts.r . , Chalks 31urrough, J. P Willoughby, Sir 11. Forster, John North, F. 'Wilson, J. r orttscue, C. S. O'Brien, I'. Winnington, Sir T. Freestun, Colonel Osborne, R. Wise, A. French, Fitzstephen Otway, A. Wood, Sir C. Gardner, R. Palmerston, Viscount TELLERS. Goderich, Viscount l'axton, Sir J. Hayter, W. Goodman, Sir G. Peel, F. Berkeley, G. -- - NOES-62. Berkeley, G. Gwyn, Rowel North, Col. J. Adderley, C. B. Halyard, R. C. Oakes, J. Archdall, Capt. M. flume, W. Puke, C. Bailey, C. Kendall , N . Pakenham, Capt. E. Ball, E. King, J. Parker, It. Barrow, W. Knatchbull, W. Percy, J. Bat eson, 1. Knight, F. Srnijth, Sir W. Beresford, Rt. Hu. W. Knox, W. S. Smith, W. Bowyer, G. Langton, W. H. P. G. Spooner, R. Bramley- Moore, J. Lennox, Lord A. F. Stanhope, J. Banbury, Capt. W. Liddell, H. G. Stanley, Lord CArnae, Sir J. K. Macartney, G. Taylor, Colonel Child, Smith MacGregor, James Tuelway, R. Cole, 11. A. Maguire, J. F. Vance, John Jorry, H. T. L. Matins, Richard Vansittart, G. Duncombe, llon. A. Michell, William Whiteside, J. Buncombe, Hon.W.E. Montgomery, 11. L. Wyndham, Gen. Dunda', G. Moore, G. Evelyn, W. J. Mowbray, J. R. Fitzgerald, W. It. S. Mullings, J. R. Galwey, Sir W. Naas Lord George, J. Napier, J. Grogau, Edward Newdegate, C. TELLERS. Bentinck, G. Mandeville, Viscount TEE LONDON GAZETTE OF LAST NIGHT. FOREIGN-OFFICE, FEB. 22. The Queen has been pleased to approve of Don Juan Martinez Villergas as Consul at Newcastle for the Queen of Spain. DOWNING-STREET, Flo. 21. The Queen has been pl.:ased to appoint James McCul loch, Charles, Bradshaw, Donald Kennedy, and Alfred Ross, Esquires, to be non-electiv? nieuibere of the Legis lative Council of the Colony of Victoria. BOARD OF TRADE, WHITEHALL, FEB. 21. The Right Honourable the Lords of the Committee of Privy Council for Trade and Plantations have received through the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, a copy' of a Despatch from her Majesty's Consul a t T a hiti , en closing copy of a iegnla.tion, recently i ssue d b y th e French Imperial Commissioner at Tahiti, directing that, from and after the Ist October, 1834, vessels carr yi ng th e British flag shall be treated in the ports of Tahiti and Moores, upon the same footing as vessels under the French flag. WAR-OFFICE, FEB. 23. 4th Regiment of Dragoon Guards—Serjeant-Major Ed ward Hatran to be Cornet, without purchase, Feb. 23. Coldstream Guards—Lieutenant Rowland Hill Gordon, from the 38th Regiment, to be Lieutenant and Captain, without purchase ; Walter Stirling, Gent., to be Ensign and Lieutenant, without purchase, vice Heneage, pro moted, Jan. 23. 18th Regiment of Foot—Lieutenant R. H. Jex Blake to be Adjutant, vice Wilkinson, promoted, Feb. 23. 22d Foot—Captain Wm. Mills Molony, from the 83d Foot, to be Captain, vice Jones, who exchanges, Feb. 23. 30th Foot -- Lieutenant Charles Milligan to be Adju tant, vice Wilson, promoted, Feb. 23. 42d Foot—George William Cockburn, Gent., to be En sic,n, without purchase, Feb. 23. 44th Foot—To` be Ensigns, without purchase—Robert Montresor Rogers, Gent., Feb. 21; George Cuthbertson Bower, Gent., Feb. 22; Charles Ford, Gent., Feb. 23 . 46th Foot—To be Ensigns, without purchase--Frank Grieve, Gent., Feb. 20 ; William John Foster, Gent., Feb. 21; Henry James Hitchcock, Gent., Feb. 22 ; George Niorland, Gent., Feb. 23. 47th Foot—To be Ensigns without purchase—Ernest Peake Newman, Gent., Feb. 22; John Yaignto Mallet Gent. Feb. 23 50th Foot—To be Ensigns without purchase—Thomas Millard Benton Eden, Gent., Feb. 22; Charles Wynn Gent., Feb. 23. 51st Foot—Lieutenant 11. George Augustus Powell, from the 15th Foot, to be Paymaster, vice Burney, appointed to a Depot Battalion, Feb. 23. , 55th Foot—Gco'rge Fortescue Parke, Gent., to be En sign, without purchase, Feb. 2 ;. 57th Foot—Edward Mills, Gent., to be Ensign, without pnYchase, Fob. 23. 624 Foot—Henry It. Johnstone, Gent., to be Ensign, withorit purchase, Fob. 23. 63d Inot—Lieutenant Edward Sutherland, from half pay, Unattached, to be Lieutenant, without purchase, Feb. 23. 68th Foot—George Tumor, Gent., to be Ensign, with out purchase, Feb. 23.. 71st Foot—To be Ensigns without purchase—Stratton Boulnois, Gent., Feb. 22 ; Charles Tovin Cramer Roberts, Gent., Feb. 23. 7ith Foot—Ensign M. A. Waters, from the 89th Foot, to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice France, who retires, Feb 23. To be Ensiiu without purchase—Joseph Dooley, Gent., Feb. 21; Ch, ries Bertram Saunders, Gent., Feb. 22; Sydney Smith, Gent,, Feb. 23. 79th Foot—To be. Ensign, without purchase—Neil Campbell, Gent., Feb_ 22 ; Douglas Alleyne, Gent., Fel.. 23. 831 Foot—Captain R. C. Jones, from the 22d Foot, to be Captain, vice Aloiony, who exchanges, Feb. 23. BREVET. Major-General Simpson to have the local rank of Lieu. tenant-General, whila employed on the Staff of the Amy serving in the Crimea, Ang . .l6. Captain J. Forbes Bruce, of the 12t•h Regiment, Bom bay Native Infantry, employeol on a particular service in Turkey, to have the local rank of Major, while ao em. ployed, Feb. 23. HOSPITAL STAFF. To be Acting Assistant-Surgeons —William Morris, Gent., Jan. 31 William Stockwell, Gent. Jan. 31; Stewart Aaron Lithgow, Gent., Feb. 3 ; William Sharp, Gent., Feb. 3 ; James Denbo/m, M.D., Feb. 4 ; Frederick Pratt, Gent., Feb. 13; George Wright, Gent., Feb. 13. ME3fORANDA.—The third Christian name of Ensign Fur neartv, appointed to an Ensigncy, without purchase, in the 14th Foot, on the 13th Rob., is Lynd and not Lionel, as previously stated. The Christian names of Quartermaster Trotter, of the Land Transport Corps, are James Cortlandt, and not C. V. Trotter, as previously stated. The promotion of Captain Walter C. E. Snow, of the 84th Foot, to bear date the 9th instead of the 19th of January, 185, as previously stated. ADMIRALT Y . , FEB. 17. Corps of Royal Marines.—T4lrst-Lieutenant Edward AreArthnr, appointed Lieutenant and Quartermaster, vice Farmar, promotod. ADMIRALTY, FEB. 19. OCILYS OF .ROTATA MARINES Lieuteuaut-Colonel Join; Laud to fall-pay reCrement of that rank, with the honorary rack of Colonel, under the provision of her Majesty's Orden• in Council, Sept. 13, 18.54. FEB. 20. Lieutenant-Colonel Henry Georg Mitford to full-pay • retirement of that rank, with the honorary rank of Colo nel, under the provision of her Majesty's Order in Council, Sept. 13, 1854. Firn. 21. Captain and Brevet-Major Fielding Alexander Camp bell to b 3 Lieutenant-Colonel, vice Land, retired. Captain George Evans }rant to be Lieutenant-Colonel, vice Mitford, retired. First Lieutenant John. Charles Downie Morrison to be Captain, vice Campbell, promoted. First Lieutenant Charles Reed Driver to be Captain, vice Hunt promoted. Second Lieutenant Anthony Malone to be First Lien tenant, vice Morrison, promoted. Second Lieutenant Mdville Suther to be First Lieuten ant, vice Driver, promoted. COMMISSION SW NED BY THE QUEEN. 2d Regiment of Derbyshire Militia—Hugh Pearson, Esq., late of the West E3se.x, to be Adjutant, Feb. 16. COMMISSIONS SIGNED BY LORD LIEUTENANTS. County of Ross—Alexander George Mackenzie, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant, Feb. 19. Shropshire Regiment oflitia— Thomas Cholmondeley, Esq., to be Captain, vice Bard, resigned ; William Bean. clerc Powell, Gent., to be Ek.sign Feb. 20. Warwickshire Militia-Ist Regiment—Ensign Riland Wolseley Oldham to be Lieutenant ; Ensign John Peter Wilson to be Lieutenant ; Henry Horace Eden, Gent., to be Ensign, Feb. 9. The Essex Rifles—Robert W.ince, Esq. (late Captain in the Madras Army), to be CapAain, vice Smith, resigned, Feb. 16. _ _ Ist Somerset Regiment of Milittia—Lieutenant Gansel Jebb to be Captain, vice Speke, resigned, Feb. 16; En sign Richard Winsloe to be Lieutenant, vice Jebb, pro. reoted, Feb. 17. 2d or North Durham Regiment at Militia—Frederick Wallis, Gent., to be Lieutenant, vice Vs Pledge, resigned, Feb. 17. Durham Militia Artillery—Adjutant _Robert William' Soltt to serve with the rank of Captain, Feb. 19. Royal Bucks King's Own Militia—Henry Grattan Burke, Esq., late 48th Regiment, to be Captain, vice Cap tain Charles Palmer, resigned ; Dunlop Cloag„ Gent., to be Ensign. Dumfries, Roxburgh, and Selkirkshire Militia — Joseph _ Augustus Barretto, Esq., to be Lieutenant, Feb. 10. East Kent Regiment of Militia—Lieutenant Charles Alfred Mount to be Captain, vice /Munn, promoted, Feb. 16. Worcestershire Regiment of Militia—Joshua. Oldham, Gent., to be Lieutenant, vice M. Brown Westhead, who retires ; John Grier, Gent., to be Ensign. Stirlingshire, &c., or 90th Rlgiment of Militia—Jona than Booth, Gent. (late Quartermaster 60th Rifles), to be Ensign ; James Frederick Bennett, Gent., to be Ensign. Edinburgh or Mid-Lothian Regiment of Militia—Chas. Stewart Murray, Gent., to be Lieutenant, vice Kennedy, resigned ; Charles Russell Currie, Gent., to be Ensign, vice Lyon, resigned ; James Sinclair, Gent., to be Ensign, vice Orr, resigned; William Starke, Gent., to be Ensign vice Bird, resigned, Feb. 12. lst Regiment of the Duke of Lancaster's Own Militia — Ensign Robert Knights to be Lieutenant, Feb. 20. 2d Regiment of the Duke of Lancaster's Own Militia, (Rifle Corps)—James Bilham, Gent., to be Ensign, Feb.l9. sth Regiment of Royal Lancashire Militia—Edward. Jackson, Esq., M. 8., to be Surgeon, vice Connate, re signed, Feb. 19. Artillery Corps, Royal Lia.7ashire Militia—Hill Charley Morre, Gent., to be Second L i eutenant, Feb. 19. Royal North Lincoln —Edward Wm. Cadwalla der Lloyd, Gent. to be Liente.lant ; William Rowland Mitchell, Gent., to be Lieutenant, Feb. 12. 2d or Eastern Regiment of Norfolk, Militia.—JohnTaafe, Esq., to be Captain, Feb. 9. 4th or Royal South Middlesex R e giment of Militia — Thomas Fitz Gerald Wintour, Gent., to ,be Ensign, vice Smyth, promoted, Feb. 10. Light Infantry Battalion of the Royal Sussex Militia— William Bridger, Gent., to be Ensign ; Percy Kirk, Gent., to be Ensign, Feb. 16. West Suffolk Regiment of Militia.—George Rust, D'Eye, Gent., to be Ensign, Feb. 19. [The following appointment is substituted for that which appeared in the Gazette of the 26th Jan.] East Suffolk Regiment of Militia Artillery Corps.—John Cartels Paske, Gent., to be Second Lieutenant, Jan. 23. BANKRUPTS. James Speller, sail-maker, Wapping, to surrender, March 13, at half-past eleven, and April 4, at half-past twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee ; Atkinson, Abchurch-lane. George Cumming Stewart, draper, Hackney-road, to surrender, March 2 and April 0 . . at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy.' Graham, official assignee ; Lawrance, Plows, and Boyer, Old Jewry-chambers. Simon Oates, builder, Cambridge, March 3, at twelve, and April 13, at ono, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Whit more, official assignee. Basinghall-street; Pti.xen, New Boswell-court, Lincoln's-inn. James Howell, builder, Judd-street, Brunswick-square, March 6, at half-past twelve, and April 12, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Johnson, official assignee, Basing , hall-street ; Watson and Sons, Fleet-street. Thomas Salmon, Kettering, ironmonger, Northampton shire, March 7, at half-past ono, and April 1, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee ; Hodgson, Birmingham ; Sole, Tamer, and Turner, Alder , manbury. James King, licensed victualler, Birmingham, March 9 and 31, at twelve, at the Birmingham District Court. Bittleston, official assignee ; Hawkes, Birmingham. 1 Jane Mary Bentley, grocer, Dudley, March 12 and 28, at half-past t, ten, at the Birmingham District Court. Whit- , lm, more, official' assignee, Birmingham ; Bodington, Dudley. William Bowler, timber merchant, Lambeth , March 3, at two, and April 4, at ono, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Nicholson, official assignee, Basinghall-street ; Rixon and Son, King William-street, City. John Clench, timber dealer, Exeter, March 2 and 29, at the Exeter District Court. Hirtzel, official assignee, ' Exeter • Force, Exeter. Luiz Cauzie, hotel keeper, Bate-road, Cardiff, March 6, and April 3, at eleven, at the Bristol District C o urt. Miller, official assignee, Bristol ; Bevan and Girling, Bristol. John Moore, brewer, Skircoat, Halifax, March 9 and 30 at eleven, at the Leeds District Court. Young, offileial assignee, Leeds; G. and G. H. Edwards , Halifax; Mond and Barwick, Leeds. Hayden Sounds, wheelwright, Lincoln, March 6 Und April 3, at ten, at the Birmingham D i strict Court. Harris, official assignee, Nottingha m ; Bro wn , Market Deeping ; James, Birmingham. J o hn Henry Cheetham, lace manufacturer, Nottingham, March 6 and April 3 , at ten, at the Birmingham Dia. triot Court. Harris, official assignee, Nottingham Voopei Nottingham. Daniel Hearn, linen d ra p er a nd laeeman Cheltenham, March 8, and April 3, a t e leven, at the Bristol District Court. Acraman, official assignee, Bristol ; Pruen, Chet. tenham ; Abbot a nd Lucas, Bristol. George Cooper Rouse, baker, Doverc ourt, Essex, Feb. 23, at one, and April 4, at eleven , at the Cou rt of Bank ' rnptcy. Pennell, offi c ial assignee, Guildhall-chambers; Cree and Son, Ipswich. G eor ge Richard Bl Verul am -buildings, s-inn ; Laurance, Gray March 8 and April 3, at ackwell ele marble ven, at the Bristol Distr Court. Miller, official assignee, Bristol; Prnen, Chelten ham ; Abbot and Lucas, Bristol. James Twiner, draper, Hedge-row, Islington, March 5 and 30, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Edwards, official assignee, Sambrook-court ; Lawrance, Plews, and Bowyer, Old Jewry-chambers. William Randle, miller, Cheltenham, March 8, and April 16, at eleven, at the Bristol District Court. Hutton, official assignee, Bristol ; Pruen, Cheltenham; Abbot and Lucas, Bristol. William Westmore Cowherd Kirkham, money scrivener, Manchester, March 5 and 27, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Fraser, official assignee, Manchester; Boote, Manchester. R a lph Pickstene and Ambrose Mayan,cotton-spinners, Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, March 6 and April 3, at twelve, at the Manchester District Court. Fraser, official, assignee, Manchester; Messrs. Rowley and Son, m an . cheater. SCOTCH SEQUESTRATIONS. Jehn Campbell and Sons, bleachers, Bowfteld, frewsbire. John Campbell, tailor, Glasgow. Robert Cross, merchant, Glasgow. SAM SLICK.--The new work by Sam Slick, bearing the attractive title of " Nature and Human Nature," is to appear in a few days. In this production it is said that Judge Haliburton has surpassed all hisf ormer efforts, in wit, humour, character, and originality. There is perhaps no living writer so well acquainted with "Human Nature" as the i n i m it a ble Sam, and a better subject for his pen could not have been found. :; .~ q ,~~