The Sun. — London, England, 1855-02-20 00:00:00

i' , 0 , , , ,, , itptr , ..,,,,-.,., :,::.__„:,,..„.,,„ ~,,...,,5,,,-,.,,-,..,- ~,,.„....,___,_...„._,.,,,_ ' UIAL p:Rw" IA 'VIE NT removal of the eonvaleec en t e , or the patients co.peble t 1 of removal, in the hospitals at Scutari or in the Crimea, 80115.... -______,,,,,______ ito England or to some of our Mediterranean colonies, -4 OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.) I for the perfect restoration of their health ? 111 e so ROY AL COMMISSION. Lord PALMERSTON said a commission was sent s „, ! iiii.a s sent was given to the Fishe r i es (N or th ; out by the Duk e o f N ewcast l e to i nqu i re i nto the con di- Zeea) t 4 tion of the hospitals, and to recommend such changes as kit els krei • I they might think right and proper, arid to report them h of r ,._;:loners were the Lord Chancellor, the not merely to the Government at home, but to Lord , 4 1 , 1 , 1 4 0 ,,F,_', and . the Earl of Hardwicke. 1 Raglan. Lord Raglan was requested to apt upon those 11 11 L 04137,14 reljourned during pleasure. recommendations without delay. It was the iriten itskol`ci4 NCHLLOR took his seat on the woolsack tion of his noble friend at the head of the War fobLil%treluiylB°!.-_,STRA-DBROKE presented a petition ; Department to make arrangements for a periodical Ser ij vice between Constantinople and the Crimea en the one 4 1 7 4 id session prayin g for the repeal of the act . Ca 44.1 r elision respecting the sale of beer. The • hand and Eng and on the other. On the arrival home qye tof • egretted that 1.1 of such invalids, as might be in a condition to be trans ((' the'Petitio he csues not support the ported by sea, ar ' immsen - iente would be male for their re- Letll t , n• ception in proper arid suitable hospitals. TR ANSPORTS—TREATY WITH BONDS ON BRITISH TRADE IN CHINA. Ifti Pert of TURKEY. In answ er t o a ques ti on f rom M r . HORSF . ALL, 41(let,patch-reLLENBOROUGH moved for a copy Lord PALMERSTON said th it with regard to the kle ' dated j from the War Department to Lord ! question whether instructions had beers sent out to het liti,t 4 t. T h _ao• 20, relative to the formation of land Majesty's Superintendent of Trade in China to cancel wi t i i of th e 4 ' noble earl also inquired when the ratifi- the bonds taken on British trade at Shanghai between 101 1 ,4 treaty that had lately been entered into , the 9th February arid 12th July, 1854, Sir John Bow -111 6e lake f° , ' the fo rmat i on o f a f ore i en legion 1 ring had teen instructed to inquire into the circuiristai,ces ,Ij or ois e ,„,; 94 On the table ? He was desirous (7f making under which those bonds were given, and to make a full ~ i t ivi l_stfpo t: e e n d s On the treaty, but be thought he had report upon the matter, and also i other ntatti!rs g so until to-morrow, when lie ;in suspense, to her Majesty's Government for it-, cstl: o o7 4 l, ll he second reading of the New Enlistment : consideration. Relative to the second point, as to whe -144 !proceeded with. 1 ther instructions had been given, or were intended to be 4li t li k s t ble earl CLARENDON said he could not inform 1 given, to her Majesty's Superintendent of Trade in , 4 ttle , a wh, eh the treaty alluded to would be laid China to interdict the interference of the Consular Courts h i l i•l N o : I t was not expecte d i t would be ratified ' in China in refer e nc e to a ll th e b on d s an d secur i t i es ta k en keyN f 1; on Brish trade since the expulsion of the Imperial Cas- Niet -.lea:- edLL ENBOROUGH—I am extremely ' tome authorities from Shanghai by the insurgents in 1853, s ekt th at six weeks are likely to elapse before the Sir John Bo wring had been informed that no proceed ii,! L.atiffed. Why, my lords, six weeks is a 1 ings could be taken in the common law courts with re /44:1,11(4"Pu do not raise the men before that 1 gard to these bonds ; but he had been instructed to L l l4l ' ll4 e that they would not be able to take ' cancel them and return them to the parties by h oi Ntar. whom they were given. With regard to Il itA i l t , to 4 s. I : I RE was understood to say that there bonds subsequently given, the decision upon them NVlkr:),'Slection to the production of the despatch must be suspended until the report he had men ei IN " noble earl. • Coned should be received on the matter generally. „isio_isirltilf.i.XLLENßOßOUGH—There are two As to the third point in the question, it must depend on •ll lee 4 wish to direct the noble !ord's attention, 1 the circumstances of the case, whether decision was tt li t l'ets- t eethe formation of the land transport. given on the spot, or whether reference must be made 041 ko points are points which ap- to Government at home ; but in any question at issue Nslre stos es being most essential--first, involving interpretation of treaties reference ought to ‘kii004,44,1-leneral of the land transport shall be be made to the Government at home. With reference k Oh o 41. 1 e for the finding of the necessary prowl- to the last point raised, instructions had been forwarded :14,,1'et, % port of the animals to be employed in to Sir John Bowring, to urge on the Chinese Govern 4h,‘ 414, 0 4 1 45 t they should not be at all dependent merit the propriety of levying duties with perfect inspar 411ered ~ uPon the Commissariat. The other is, tiality between nation and nation. w.thi e ciav at his e n t ire di sposa l t h e sea trans- SUPPLY OF CLOTHING TO THE ARMY. •yhett; theese animals ere to be conveyed. In reply to Mr. Newpsoktst, _ . ,it t , HE RS PROTECTION AGAINST Mr. F. PEEL stated that the War Department was ( 1 144 .::,_ 5h . u uDGJMENTS BILL. - in communication with the Horse Guards as to the best •Oft ti lPe then went into committee on this bill, description of summer clothing to be sent out to the N to CR ANCELLOR said. he had a few troops in the East. The 'War Department had given IT It 'ake to some of the clauses, It ' LEoorders to supply 3,000 tents, which were nearly ready. svtti .ii , N . -ARDS having explained some of 4 e „;.. RECALL OF LORD LUCAN. ot , ` -44 ed t In reply to Mr. C. BERKLEY, thr ough committee, and having been Lord PALMERSTON said it was true that Lord Itse.„, Luca) had been recalled some time ago, in consequence -u'l'lPl adjourned. . of differences which hal arisen between him and the 1 4 --------------- Commander-in-chief. ka °z' com. kutt 1- ...... ONS—YESTERDAY. THE VIENNA COMMISSIONER. •• k It to ok the chai r s h or tly b e f ore f our Col. SIBTHORP i nqu i re d w h at pay L ord J. Russell was to receive for going to Vienna? (Laughter.) t...' C ' iste I%T EVt r MEMBER. Lord PALMERSTON said his noble friend would k, se las.,,,unr:r.,tionok the oaths and his seat on his receive no salary whatever, but, as was usual on such missions, his clear expenses would be paid and no m or e, L Ir oli 11 0 , 17 . the room of his deceased father. Colonel SIBTHORP—I suppose they won't be small. 4 ti nko, t A, COMMISSION. (A. laugh.) If o lsd 44h .he Yeoman (Taper of the Black Rod, NEWSPAPER STAMPS. ' ' - ' 4O of i' te cloed the house to attend at the bar 1 -iordg In reply to Mr. GIBSON, t il 4to th e -,-,. to . hear the royal assent given by The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he -tisheries Bill. i tilo • phi east afraid he should not be able to bring on his news •yitotoel,t b , , A.TE BUSINESS. paper stamp measure for discussion to-night, but it would t ,,' soe lki l t i t la were read a second time and or- be advantageous if he were allowed to take the pre ' 1 11 . Z4) tisk e l: --- -Bangor Markets and Public linainary resolution to-night with the view of fcunding,the \ II ttel e stsre t i t h !ad, Lancashire, and Cheshire bill upon which the discussion would properly take place. N:4h tre et el : :Ways ; Bridport Railway ; Great In reply to another question, ;1,, r '-' Railway ; Floarwithy Bridge The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated oktrlt,cocaster Water and Gas; London and that the passing of the resolution would not immediately %114 1 it e, e ' S t- Helen's Improvement ; Sligo remove the stamp : that would have to abide the fate of Ott e ; " 1 ,. Railway ; lormobarn and St. the bill. p,. 4 Niftsto4.o rquay Water ; Uphill and Blea- Oft , 4 ter ; I t 3Per-Mare Gas ; Wolverhampton Ltle,,,'`l Is ~„ ' l reland and Midland Railway. 14 q tl e t rie: ll : - -- 1 INDIA. DOCK BILL. l q loth a s ,i d second reading of this bill,_ 41 44 1 , D ock t he object of this bill was to repeal tlat eto I 's tle, f iket of 179 9, and if i t was carried ' eti 4 l4 4o l : d e et of seri ous l y t ax i ng t h e pu bli c. II i: l4 kit_Nr, f t . ° be repealed made cert a i n ex ,a,,. N i i. ,„,, goods trans-shipped by lighter , cotn N l 't % 140 Y • succeeded in carrying this d o P 4 ry h t itt) tr4B violation of th e compac t e cit ne, 44 %. qtained their original act. thkre si era C . ° ski ey - clot ! 41,1 "antage of being wharfingers k. 41 t inie e , oi o to e - -1 to ct of t he .l use of part of the Thames, Gitit,end t r . sati g e trade and port of London, " l ici,, e , Sol v .'elr ill S ad with that position without „4 t ileY (Eder 1 4 1 3 , PO rte P d ° the bill when the docks ttl ti:'' 1 I S k i t 4 ttit 1.-81:fli)°1°4 ' I'll l CI t ; l3: l lle : ersi: e nsa i isdd d i dee re i n e aL g l la.:timmnh thei r y rfo Parliament.fc B a3 u s : fi e 0P : a0r : I? t a1 0 " i t It : I ll:West a , • ril and of these gentlemen now of te of t .. it i hi, Was then ; they wanted to ikt I t t compa-V_Wlich enabled them to have w u l i t i l:out paying fo t r th s em. ri. I klii4 L vietve l d t it), th e , c b ill, and sinc n e e h a el r fi f ou n g7it it a w a o P uld kOB4 t Cade and commerce of the country, L )4 1 44' e second reading. It would inflict a AtL t te ,7 Upon both private wharfingers and i '4Q ek ,elling the latter to have their goods Z‘ & el' C,, , no matter whether it was for their lit - Polo - I": 'and he hoped the house would not k il itt,i V tli,i l „"t this bill N t , co t 11 A - if he . had to decide upon the 11li % il l% rie t , s lould say the Dock Company had lic e b ,et e l L e lei.,, • }Lit, but that was not the ques illAtel'ort, i l 'uloile e ,i` to decide ; they had to deter- Vhe eoileo!lriett: 'end had been made out for %-i l l i kly uo ! r eti - Q'r c ectice of referring a pri °retort, "„Efro un , l4o - select committee. He ' ,the h r ," had been made out, and ' l lse would pass the second SUPPLY-ARMY ESTIMATES. On the order of the day being read for the house re solving itself into committee of supply on the army estimates. Mr. LAYARD rose and said ho trusted the house would permit him to make a few remarks on the present critical posture of , public affairs. Under ordinary circumstances he should not have made such an appeal, but he hoped the house would, with its usual kindness, extend to him a little indulgence, bearing in mind the deep interest which he had taken in the question. (Hear, hoar.) It had been his intention not to raise a discussion on the present occa sion, but on the question of the appointment of the com mittee of the hon. and learned member for Sheffield; as, however, it was not improbable that some arrangement might be made between the hon. and learned gentleman and the Government, by which a fall discussion would be prevented, he felt it his duty to take advantage of the present occasion for addressing a few remarks to the house. The country would not be satisfied if, at a moment like this, an opportunity were not given to some hon. members to express their opinion upon the present state of affairs ; and he did not think a better occasion could arise than ' the present, when the house was to be called to vote a sum of little less than 7,500,0001. for the maintenance and re cruiting of our army. Last year, a sum almost as great was voted for the army—an army unequalled in discipline, unequalled in all that was requisite to send a victorious army into the field ; but that army had been crippled and reduced. to little more than 12,000 men. - It was his con viction that this country was now standing on the briuk, he might almost say, of ruin. Thpre were many who considered the country almost in disgrace. There was no way of blinding ourselves to our own real position ; and he felt almost degraded in his own eyes, because last year he did not speak out more - boldly ; be cause he was restrained from telling truths which weighed upon his mind, but which, from various con siderations, he refrained from pressing upon the house. Ho would, in the first place, make an observation or two upon the actual condition of the Government, b? cause that was an important elemeut in the observations which he was about to make. A short time ago the honourable and learned member for Sheffield proposed a motion for a committee of inquiry into the condition of our troops, and the conduct of those departments which had the conduct of the war. That motion was resisted by the Government, not so much from the fact that the motion, if carried, would be inconvenient, but because it was a direct vote of censure on the members of the Government. That was the challenge thrown out and accepted. Not only was that distinctly understood, but every member of the Govern ment who spoke stated that the motion, if carried, wouldbe considered a vote of censure, not on one or two members of the Government, but on all and every one of them. (Hear, hear.) Now, what was the r esu lt? Th e mo ti on was carried by, perhaps, one of the largest majorities ever obtained on a question of such magnitude—it was carried by more than two to one.' The country felt no doubt as to the result of that motion. Many honourahle members who voted for the motion were personally opposed to it, but they gave their votes on account of the feeling which pervaded the country. The Government went out, and for some days it was impossible to form a new Adminis tration. Lord Palmerston at length stated that a new Administration had been formed. And of what did it consist ? Why, almost the identical individuals who com posed the previous one. (Hear, hear.) There was only one exception. Now, under ordinary circumstances— under the difficulties and straits to which the country was reduced—such an Administration might perhaps have been accepted ; but when Parliament was called upon to entrust' to the Government the conduct of one of the greatest wars in which the country was over engaged— when Parliament was called upon to vote large supplies for the support of an army which had been reduced to a mere fraction—when Parliament was thus asked to place confidence in the Government—it became necessary to in quire what that Government had done. (Hear.) It was said that the same men did not retain the saineplaces. That was very true. Some changes had been made, but others still remained in their places. Now, let the house con sider how far those who remained merited the confidence of the country. The other night a rather strange challenge was thrown out by an hon. member, who said that even the member for Aylesbury had not dared to assail the ad ministration of the Admiralty; that hon. gentleman had a somewhat short memory, and it certainly was surprising that such a remark should have been made after what had been said respecting the questions of blockade and the question of the transport service. Had not the manage ment of the blocuade brought immense mischief on the country, and been one of the causes of our present difficul ties ? Then again with regard to the transport service, had not hon. members over and over again stated the utter con fusion which existed in that service, and the almost help less state of our transports ? How, then, could it be stated with any degree of truth that the departinent of the right hon. gentleman the First .Lord of the Admiralty had escaped all blame? Then, again, with respect to our diplo macy. He could not forget that this war was owing to the mismangement of our diplomacy—to those melancholy conferences at Vienna which almost brought disgrace upon the diplomatic body. If we had shown a bold front in our diplomacy we should not have been in our present state. Many of our diplomatic appointments were not worthy of the country. He did not wish to mention names, but dur ing the time these transactions were going on an exchange was made by which one noble lord, who was too-old to serve his country as an ambassador, was sunk into a mis sion. He considered that to have been a gross job, and a matter which ought not to be passed over in silence. The people of this country wished those who had the manage ment of their affairs to rise in the House of Commons and tell the truth. They did not wish the Government to give indiscreet answers to indiscreet questions, or to betray the interests of the country by indiscreet disclosures, but when an hon. member asked a question, they considered that, he ought to receive a straightforward answer. He had frequeutly asked whether there would be an effi cient blockade, and the reply was "Yes." But what had happened? Why, mouths afterwards the Govern ment admitted there had been no blockade at all. When an hon. member said we had only 12,000 effective men in the Crimea, a right hon. gentleman said we had 30,000 ; but now 12,000 was admitted to be the right num ber. (No, no.) Then let the documents be produced to show the 30,000. When it was stated that the army was starving—that our men were eating French bread and wearing French clothing—the reply was, that our-: rmy was revelling in luxury and perfectly protected agaiust the inclemency of the weather. The country was not satisfied with such assertions. (Hear.) Such bAng the individuals connected with the Government, he would now ask what was their policy? Before Christmas Pailiatneut was called together to pass the Mditia. Bill and the F , :reign Eulist meet Bill. Tne ral party were canc.! upon to swa'low all their principles, :ill the declarations which they had made on the hustings, because it was of the utmost im portance to pass the bills without loss of time. - Now what had been the result ? He believed he could state as a fact that scarcely a single man had been engaged under that Foreign Enlistment Bill ; and that up to this moment' they had not made up their minds who was to carry it out. In the meantime France had been engaging men, and Ger many was putting its army ou a war footing, or in a st a t e of preparation, so as to be ready at fourteen days' notice to take the field. The result would be, either that we should be unable to obtain men, or that we ahould be obliged to take the scum of the continent. Then with re spect to cavalry, he believed that not one step had been taken towar4s getting a body of cavalry together, and it • 131)() W th e second reading, be- ViUlation of the compact ela te" and the country when the WIZ tilt ed the fa c t s o f th e case i n - th e clocks were originally all er e conf erre d u p on t h e com h Le Y o wed to obt ain a frontage to were 4 ll empowered to build ,48 v therfingers ; and thirdly, 4 to charge a toll upon 4 ,, 8 "'g their waters ; but they fr ont levyi ng any c h arg ,- upon °eke to t ransship goods. Now, ~1 4' 1 „ ta rep ea l t h at pro hibiti on ; -vtlin consent to such a repeal, a la de out in its favour. He for 44 se had been made out, and he prepared to vote against the -_, L. FM11,211111. a nd Sunday WI. iterviews and corte• the view of induciiii lurpese of proposing [faire of the Crireelf irsclay. The resu el' lt/ h e Ministry and correctly inforiselt —that the Miaistell the committee, PO' name seven WO O or Sheffield hae, .Lll, therefore, w committee; but , a full, fearless/ AP, ttee which Mel Advertiser. TICIRDE 40 Cl'.. reseed t) the editor your impress of si Irish Court of Or tarn ished to of ths rf it, so far I t cor and when yen, a contradicted, io• I was not OW m if I would, ba;l appeared by c 01 1 ..% o uld I be , any " 111 ended. hit t h e story you re. 17.. Toy• Ge neral, in conseqnssos tween Lord 01°' kration took 11)°' 33." This is wbollf t learn that anY,°l4 statement by a r wfactly well WA° d on aecount of 13 1 ohoenceforwsr tb. T thbis was bey . god Miss fiend o n to the tn°°l/1; oloyment. curate hi dstesalld, r. and 3111._fillbs ~ h aving t"" e(litberot k pls,ce 4vitsuls this is My affidasitY:°:cs defend MY OP. : 0 . Dpoo the .147:4, should beo IS4 ledge, to 0010°74. ite party As ,s• other efiden°lo • ed 0 ' entertain _ A 00 own condo' illness affords GO ( Id acquaintao2 partaken, a°",10;011 was dying ‘67,opr ild visit pi th the best sir aim ian, to call his child- 3°7,0 ?sign, seeroll b e . roi Druey-Generv, f yours rtiolt h en I ted tl, la d known inejo for aid and D, my iotorr tt, Rit in eppos 'ho determttn itiP.oli ou ld, the eons t , an s. Feeo;001 as highlf Ock to inak°° 0 . ' 'Nuance if b re :A .• o f 0,000 t., i stea d., 'gest daegter7:o convey bet l'os execu ting 1113 d 1 0 ,r ntain the Po delayed the Zr labs. Mr. r, WAS thDOWOO the MO ps. accused 0 foln 1 u it e ue , o ity r of the ftSO , be more 6,1,,,A general beatioloanies ,-,.4 o wrong! , ,erty, .ajf sam e poni ticle.--I nt, A s, CLANIIIO°' LAB• T rith tbe Prig! niorp;ng, 1/A tilde Paget 1 sledge, CaPtsiP ;backtracks ye a Bar t" the Wounded Oil egiinent his So •oal the Cris:s:4 a raeeting of -!'und, held Eighnesst Alt°lllo three o'clOP" 1 Grey, th e yard 'd Seyonur,,,bi onards tbe 0.4 no.. 'R. d .v,rs , ton, Sir -.° nd Cap, before E) )üblioati! 10 e Venj briLSE OUI Earl G' :011000 k leatoof vas in 141 London' a Cheek' we have rransP ° ' cbsirauti ,s conor , pointrnea fo r si sue" niggarcib ears t f et 74,v0 p nst. fres th o ‘„ P i - c t ! the g ell- oe s ro Ifil f ri l,h° o gr. 1 me r ite • stalos'y,r 10 .„ 0 • ier,eyool,oo,l‘..„ P COP fr 8 aspic", of 0 „ 011701; Iftr; 14 7 ds t Of 13 ,00 121011 e CI th e , ° AA 0 t ai r ' ol 14 [s it II 0 ~ l' owe og 0 LP - 0 0 00 nal f° el °el; gea e str• 0 gll fflCi en ade 1 o f at V' iti .t. m.O it net'' the repPirl'. pr. ker a es. • l. vos 0 s tat e ;dal copooi. ,0111 tb6,,tori" ,ten t So- vert ',ter jeSi? teti co ol 000 • ess f ong , o urablilitl°P 0 eon ion,' e a esPec,o6l2 * be ore lot wbolecoir the we i Ih ._ h c rar i wh aY ia l or i° labour -0. ,he o°Phe to: Jilt` L oaf is obiso2° - , rl Se cr. t 0° tbs... 130,her v3st, neroptich w ith, n g °3 the ich,iswith est iced e01,1:ba! der-setoe" lie ° P being rof t;ll,a -ispeet°"eff, ,nartB„isse'ed oi er a g ig) viengooe 5e n 39 s in t bethe r g 00Pitilwi. 8 11.'' alth oo ~ gh he was a dock pro- N 4i, , 4 long , lato, - ,F o e u, against the second read to upset a bargain which f 1 , 4z4 ti ; assented to and the public co l the house was not a fit tri ' I t :: ..t!ohnt It should be referred to 1 4 ' ' ""ere the whole case could be ‘ll 4tci t l i ;it lstio t iktt il niftt,t44l4ll.Bl3lll:4:otsledta. t z he bill and stigmatised Yti 4 q '• the Public against their * , Y44 4tl PPott ~ 4,t4:01d ed the bill, as he saw no rea- VI I 4N , `thanes flowed to use the docks free riligt,, 6 , 1 lre C„,, He hoped the house ki i di cztic tit ' e s‘e,rest of the wharfinger and ktttt'l,44i,:, rn tne ..;t_he docks. . , I Q,, , ,Zei d oc " i ! e c . l the proprietors to . with l. - I t ti ti7tir s, At th e ; W h e a r r e ge f s as o t f d L ra o w n in on t le e r t e ra a de Lli t t l i t t N 44 ', i g Visiti,„;•.„‘,ll l, When there appeared, ,It*ZtritYll,. r ut? do h -,5 0 " , , , "• k . los I) . ~d,4 : 4,..• . : ........... . ... ~ I t A t i , t 1.1 J•brown out. IN kOliZeri t 111 and the St. Katherine's N I 1 . t Wh, \:' It 41 1 ii, 416 4 10 . 4 kve • ri Ijr , IO FLEET. (: t 6 bit ti . l tioi ",!ce that on an early day he A, to pan the house to the conduct of 1 0 ttt, e iii I dY with regard to the naval ope lisili, " the command of Vice-Admi t' 1 / 4 (t ) K I VI o‘ltiltAlst tu DGET. rl kk l ,t t: 04%etrci- wit wished to ask the President 'l / 4 S k i t it :Pr t 4( of ' i ether Mr. Marshman, the t r i kk l tl•C P t o A ci ia, now * held the office of k'tf,* e t fr,'-'overnment and whether he I kt, i N tia,llowZittile Government! Also, why Of 6 44 oth er oaccessto publicdocuments 1/4 h p % ttit t , ll ,, e ,rio t i newspaper editors in Calcutta! g r ,l `ir prop one session the President of P,,,"t)cled to bring in his Indian O h eoul, t ,"to ;" not ‘ ,1 1 •;,j 4 , i ,11, t -0 c al answer the two first ques . L II,N 4,," alkj i c tta, as he had no informa -6 ll* lo ti --40 el a i ' e " to. With regard to the N i l 4 - ' 4 4y , Zded wc ,P7pers upon which the state kll:4 4E 44 he 8 ; 1 .1 d be in the hands of mem ,t R., turw ard ( Inid be prepared to make a \ k ti lJk, h . 8 la the state of public busi 0, ,y"'"il - 6 1 ;,,1.,k it -tl O v°. li ll.°()RE • V t : t i l , l ,t of 4 % 1 ' li c ie w ed to - ask the Firtit Lord of , 0 i ttr ke f , \ ll ,- coni c al(' lay on ti,e table of the tt i t i 44,1, tt:1:,1-sinner app opted to try I,i ) kiii 4 Nh t , i 4 Pp ro b, w .l'lch Sir Jstne4 had pre ) i ll e ti •ed _ miii ii of the Governm, nt, i i wi tso i ~ with h i , 4 -i t ,,_ _k i i .. C0p ,,,, T.nours by the Crown ; ei •c t i ti of 01 J or the secret instructions 41:LITI t , 3' ord er at endon to the commissioners :In , a n t t : 41 , 1044 .It R .,„- , Si, s 0. her Majesty's Ministers , ,71yilltit-1•ON' said Brooke ? - VA N U Pet bee the report of the Com ' ‘ \ i , l et P°ll th e e " , received, and therefore it tt kt Ciu tabi e. No secret instructions tlt a 4 41) b N Ore L vit ll / . I‘r THE CRIMEA - voi l - t4 1 ): . e c ti f i (l he a v k the Prime Minister, War Department, what " 4 or were in progress for the if ,'"" Da'' .re, 4 , of . , ,t 4 4 .t LL )fa i n .1. ,!' ICI tik4 IT I A ; I: ith ;ill Iv ( BIS d° : tiskTit atij 49 'l' '‘fi 1 1 3 4 arn, ,iOV. OS , .11,. tlvi,,...stied ling' re 1,, Atk7lB, 4 LL • 3 ' t" Do ill 7, s l '' W il 6 ;.ref , 1;0 1 ,-; M I I lvii e4 _ 0 - 0 1 , a j e, P 1' , 4 tosilw ere o and if , \ t kncidi y,t h l o ci bee ittesu ;3Pow °4 ~,. , • • eR i ere, i ll r ere • ; °hib• ei gi ,i \ 1 ; 4; th e I tet Jer i /lid , ' •';'''' \ I li l ' i tail (I° 'sari' . . \,,vi:l,„l4rtie,,l. w; o i r: , t ' , lt h . Co 3 rota/ ,i': . A \ l3 eu o; ~,4 , „ t k e t iot ne el l It 13;0: kt4t,,,_ 4°Wl fin,s„ol+ ' I \k X - 1 . 4 . iiStllllo ', \ lIIId Id. B at, t't) ~,' 1 4 l i 'se t , Yet - ' • 't , d C t loe it TIRE LONDOK TUESDAY EVENING S PXBRITARY 20, 13115, was very doubtful whether the Governalent . would be able to obtain such a force. Then large contracts were to have been made in Asia Minor. Bat what had been done ? The very man who had been pointed out as quali fied to enter into such contracts, stated that he had offered them months ago, but that they had been refused, and that he then offered them to the French Government, by which Government they were accepted, and he was now engaged in buying up all the cattle in Asia Minor for France. (Hear, hear.) Then again, instead of employing the most useful persons for purposes of conveyance and labour, the Turks had been em ployed and treated in the worst possible manner. Such being the past policy of those who composed the new Go vernment, it was necessary to inquire on what ground they could bo supported. If the committee moved for by the hon. and learned member for Sheffield should be be iestly worked, it must to a certain extent prove injurious to the carrying on of public affairs, and more especially so if the conduct of the members of the Administration should be canvassed ; for in that case Parliament would , be sittin g i n j u d gment on the members of the present Ad ministration. ministration. There was only one ground on which hon. members could have justified the rejection of the motion for the appointment of the committee. It was this, that they had before them new men, and that such a programme had been prosentel as to insure the support of the coun try. On these grounds many bon_ members would have voted for the Government. But how could they do so, when the appointment of the committee was placed on the !woo footing as it was some days ago ? Was there anything in the programme which justified confidence in the Minis ters? The noble lord did not propose to go to the bottom of any existing wrong, or to recall any body ; he only pro posed a series of commissions. Surely the house had facts enough before it without farther inquiry. At the head of the commissariat there was a gentleman 70 years of age; and that commissariat was in such a condition that our men had been starved. Were not these facts sufficient to warrant the recall of the head of the department without further inquiry ? What had been done with regard to the medical staff ? Nearly three months ago a commission was sent out to inquire into its state, yet the same state of things existed. Dr. Home was at its head, and Mr. Law son, instead of being removed from his post, had been sent to Scutari, where he was put at the head of the hospital, and was thence removed to Rhodes. (Hear.) Nothing had been gained by that. He believed that no man pos sessed greater or more eminent abilities than Sir John Mac neill, who was going on this duty, because he believed it to be a sacred duty to do so ; but he was no longer a young man, and his health was so weak that he had hitherto been obliged to decline those high appointments to which his abilities entitled him. It was physically impossible that he should go into every hole and corner of the camp and expose all existing evils. The result would be that, like every other man employed either by the late or the pre sent Administration—for they were the same--(cheers)— he would lose a well-earned reputation ; he would not be able to cure the evils complained of, and the Government would place upon his head the blame which ought to fall upon others. What need was there for a commission upon the transport service? At the head of that service was a Capt. Christie, an old gentleman more than 70 years of age, who could not leave his ship after dark without en dangering his life from catarrh, and who for five or six days had been unable to land at I3slaklava. Was then the state of that harbour to be wondered at? Were they going to send out a commission to inquire how old Capt. Christie was, and what was the state of Balakalava har bour ? There was not a boy in the streets who could not tell them that. What was wanted was not commissions, but men. The country was sick of commissions. He knew it had been said that men could not be found ; but to say so was an insult to the common sense of the coun try. If the test of a man was that he should be above 70 years of age, should be a member of Brookes's, and should' always vote for Government, it might be difficult to find such a one who could carry on business properly; but do not let him be told that in a country possessing such ma terial resources as ours, and in which such great works were undertaken as ho saw accomplished in England, they could not find a man to set in order Balaklava harbour, or to put the army into a state of efficiency. (Cheers.) If there was any difficulty, let the officers of the army ballot for a commander; in the artillery he was sure there would be but one name mentioned as the most competent. Why then send out commissioners to inquire who was or was not capable? Let them not send out despatches implying cen sure upon a man, and then, when asked if they had re called him, say that they had not, but had insulted and censured him, so that he must come home. If a man was incompetent, let him he recalled; and if he was not, let the Ministers have the manliness to say in that house that he was competent, and the country would support them. (Cheers.) Such were all the proposals of the noble lord's speech, with the exception of making Lord Raglan a scavenger,anti Th sending is ia s t w o a u s t a G e g n r e o r a a t l i i i s n t p a s k o e n . Youtkoi n look o f u head after hti not go on a system of divided authority. If h General Simpson had been the head of a regularly orga nised staff, it would have been a different thing. Had Lord Raglan that consented t w o a t s h n s e a o rr m a p n e g t e e m h t o n? If t ? heHat!so, le t the ad mittedmembers of it be sent home. If the Government wanted now. Thelakeseetned still, but let maths Government sail upon it with a feeling of security. Unless something were done to prevent it a storm would arise, and then not only they but others might be shipwrecked. The people wished to see whether they could not be goy nod by some one new. They would not have the same party over and Over again. (Hear, hear.) He had no doubt a Cavendish in the Cabinet was of great importance; but the country thought more of 20,000 lives than of a Cavendish in the Cabinet. They wanted a thorough and complete reform. If the noble lord had followed the wishes of the people of England he would have had a Cabieet which might at least have appealed to the House of Commons for support, and he would not have hesitated, whether or not the com mittee which that house had voted should be appointed. He (Mr. Layard) entreated the noble lord to reflect. He believed that if ho took that line the country and the house would support him, and he would save his own re putation and the honour and interests of this groat nation. General PEEL s..id ho ual cot surprised at the general indignation when he read such horrible accounts of the state of the army, for the army was the property of the country at large. A Secretary for War had been sacri ficed, and he did not understand why the whole Cabinet had not followed. He (General Peel) voted against the motion of the lion. member fur Sheffield; but it was not that no evils existed, but that he had no confidence in a coined ttee of the house as a tribunal to reform them, for it was the worse they could have —unconstitutional and im practicable. Ho blamed the Government for having coin ineinted a great war with inadequate means. He said the first fault in its management was in sending out too many troops, without a corresponding force in the commissariat and medical departments. It would have been better to have sent only 10,000 or 15,000 at first, and to have restricted the operations to what they could perform, instead of sending every available man to rival the French. After the battle of Alma the victorious armies should have made the attack on Sebastopol, without giving the Russians time for reinforcements. He did not oppose the enlist ment of foreigners, if absolutely necessary. He thought our regimental officers and regimental system were good ; and surely those men would make as good general officers if the opportunity were afforded them. If they were going to rival the warlike nations on the Continent they must set about it in a different manner. He thought every exertion ought to be made to carry on the war so as to make a safe and honourable peace, and that once clone the sooner the people resumed their peaceful pursuits the better. Lord PALMERSTON—I should be the last man to find fault with any hon. member who should bring under the notice of the house any part of our administrative system, either at home or abroad, which he may think has failed adequately to perform its functions, or any improvement of which he may consider that system to be capable. But, sir, I do protest against the language we have heard this evening from the hon. member for Aylesbury—(cheers)— who, while ho performs what he thinks a public duty in pointing out old errors and instances of mismanagement in regard to the army, must needs tell me that this country has become the laughing-stock of Europe, and has thought proper to mingle with his observations and comments a deal of what I must call vulgar declamation against the aristocracy of this country. (Cheers.) Sir, I lament as much as the hon. member or any man the sufferings of our brave army before Sebastopol. I admit, too, that those sufferings have in part been aggravated by want of ar rangement and proper management ; but I must, in pass ing, say it is a great mistake to suppose that those suffer ings have been entirely confined to the British troops. (Hear.) I speak not now of our brave allies ; but I know, from good authority, that of the Russian army there are not fewer than 35,000 men in hospital, sick and wounded, in consequence of the campaign. (Hear.) I say the suffer ings of our bravo troops, however much they may have been 7 ncreased ,by want of arrangement and proper ma nagement, have arisen in a great degree from principal causes which it was not in the power of any man to control, considering the nature of the service in which they have been engaged and the severity of the weather to which they have been exposed. (Hear, hear.) But, so far from this country standing lower in the estima tion of the world than it formerly did, when I look, sir, at the matchless bravery of our troeps—whea I look to the victories they have achieved—(cheers)—and when I look to the share which the gentry and the aristocracy of England have taken in those conflicts—(cheers}—instead of feeling any shame for MY country, I feel proud of the events to which the hon. gentleman has alluded, and which have now become subjects of immortal renown. Talk to me of the aristocracy of England ! Look at the glorious cavalry charge at Ba l a klava — (cheers)—wh ere the noblest and the wealthiest of the land rode foremost, followed by heroic men from the lower classes of the community, each rival ling the other, and where neither the peer who led nor the troops who followed could be distinguished from one an other. (Loud cheers.) In that glorious band were the sons of the gentry of England, at the head were the nobles of the land; and, following them, wore the representatives of the people of this country. (Hear, bear.) I say if any in stance could be required to show that all classes in this country, from the highest to the lowest, share in common the noblest qualities which dignify lean, I would appeal to that gallant charge as an immortal proof of the glory of this country. (Cheers.) The hon. member, I believe, has con sented to be a member of the committee proposed by my hon. and learned friend the member for Sheffield. He will of course vote for the appointment of that committee; but what was the line of his argument ? Why, that we, for sooth, were trifling with the interests of the country and with the lives and stiffer-bogs of our soldiers by sending out commissioners to the Crimea, with full powers to inquire into and rectify, if possible, thel very abuses and want of arrangement of which he complains. (Hear, hear,) The hon. gentleman proposes, indeed, as an example, a com mittee of safety, like that of the French Revolution. • (A. laugh.) He would have commissioners sent out to the Crimea with power to execute summary justice on those whom they might think deserving of it. I must take the honourable gentleman at his word, and suggest to him that he move this house to extend the fUnctions of the committee of my honourable and learned friend, by snaking it obli ga t or y on t h e members of that com mittee-to proceed instantly to the scene of action in the Crimea, and to remain there until the end of the session. (Laughter.) Then, again, the hon. gentleman says that-we have in some instances abstained from getting supplies from Asia Minor, from which the French have been'able t t cw, be tween profit. .., two I p r p o o t i c t s i t oi a , against a o i f n s t t . h t e h :h. iienavlil army.ions di ß st n in t e l ti a o p n p be re: The otn e hl ((neit appre hend its Ifurnish ,n arrangements that ne gentleman, neighbourhood tb i le a oenui M ltirs aiilineoi provisions a, c o , v i da • hen n sotub i ti s t hepe y ecpfnl b oai re e tmsit c , flai o logte n ir: e ttl f( ht ler e d sufficiently large in fromt e t h b heae tFrenchCrimea. e P h e; I 1 ' to Itog hlarmy n s procure h k , and a i. has not yet arrived, has furnished strong reasons against the conclusion to which he would wish the house to come. The hon. gentleman says we ought to have stated to the house what are the terms which my noble friend the mem ber for the City of London is about to propose during the hear, and a laugh.) I negotiations in which he will shortly take part. It is the first time I have ever heard it asked that we should, be fore entering on negotiations, explain fully to the adverse party all the stipulations and all the conditions which we Policy on which we )wleageiotno. boformed.. Pen to Censure. But the hon. gentleman says that between Friday night last and Monday afternoon I have lost the confidence of the acted,think l l b te w h l e vt should ililfi ntgh ato justly were lay the h aourselves courseff r 'D f o country. (An ironical laugh.) lie says that has, arisen Now, he omitted to state from the face that I have not recommended to the Queen a (Laughter.) have made the committee Perhaps he would of my hon. and learned friend the memberfor Sheffield the i rembers of exactlyCabi e t howof the proposed Cabinet. (A laugh-) Sir, I ail not 'afraid of the denunciations thus made. lam satisfied that the people of this country will look far more deeply into things a different e C n a t b e i o n m e t i than they aro representec 1 to do by such statements as these. (Cheers.) I am satisfied when they sec, a Government which has been constituted in consequence of the failure of two other attempts to snake a Government, that they will feel that the men who have thus undertake n the conduct of affairs have done so because they thought the country ought not to be left without a Government, that they have done it from a sense of public duty, and if they believed that those who have undertaken the conduct of affairs have done so from honest and honourable motives, they will give them credit for the desire to perform their duties with a view to time best interests of the country, and that they will not lightly believe, as has been stated by the hon, gentleman, that between Friday night and Mond the' ay morning a change of opinion has taken place in o Cabinet. Sir, we pre sented ourselves to the country for the purpose of carrying on to the best of our means, and with adequate energy, the • we think necessary to be carried on. We pre war which sorted ourselves to the country with t ar see intention of eve' 'ling ourselves of the oppertunity, i f it be practi cable, of terminating the war by fair and honoureble mea ns, We will not present, for acceptance to the coun try, as a means of that end, terms which we think will not secure the country against the recurren ce of those events which compelled us to draw the sword. A hollow truce is ry would acce t from not that which the count , P any Govern ' is still less what the country 'would accept froth went • it us. (Cheers.) succeed in obtaining If we should a treaty which we think honourable and safe t o th e co been the untry, we shall rejoice that we have means of restoring peace on those terms; but if, on tho other ha n d , i t ' should ape ur that the adversary with whom we a re contending has not yet been brought to that temper of mind from which a permanent peace can be expected, then we shall appeal 'to the country for that support in th e di scharge of the duties which a continuance of the contest may itn pos e upon us. Whatever may be said by the h on . gentle man or,yeany other member, bhon. I feel confid en t that this country will give its support to a G eve rnment in who honestly and honourably intends to do its duty a moment of great emergency—(cheers )-- s Government which has not f orce d vote or motion of this house, or upon the country by any , but which has arisen or by any Parliamentary manceuvre if in failure of others who might,' they had consequence of the chosen to undertake the task, but who shrunk from doing s e ; ground on do not mean this as any blame to them , but as a on which we are entitled to expect the support of th e two failures to which I refer, country. I say, after the man if I had that I should have felt myself a degraded undertaken the task ; and I threw myself If ofa withconfidence Parliament on the generosity of the country and lo our duty—and''' and we I am Convinced that so long as we c support o f t h e will do our duty so long as we have the country, amit 1 I am satisfied we are enabled to d 0 in spite with that support—in spite of temporary reverses, and ' of the momentary aspect of affairs, we shall suc cee d be it for in carrying measures to a successful issue,peace now or peace hereafter, or be it bynegotiation try on th a t proud footing of future security now or arms hereafter, which shall on place this which ,1112 its greatne ss (Loud cheers,) and its power so well entitle it to stand. that the most o Mr. J. G. PHILLIMORE contended t d the calamities which precautions might have prevented the irsities ant that which had befallen our troops before Sebastopol, as yet no explanation had been g iven why those precan • • tions bad not b e en t a ken. For his part, he would insist which on some inquiry b e in g m a de should really ascertain the long ' • which had so existed the cause of the state of things in the Crimea. Mr. WARNER sa id h e co uld not think the explan a ti on given • by the noble lord would be entirely satisfactory t o the country had put the country. The on ly reaso n why confidettee in the noble lord was because they believed he was the wan who would act with energy in this ewer gency. It had oft e n b een sa i I that we were not a mile_ tary nation. Th e H ouse o f C om mons, however, had d one snake us 0110, and he . wanted t o military nation ? know why it was t h a t we were no t a possessed many sterling qualities for :the profession of arms; and until means be afforded for such men rising in their profession the army would never be what it ought to be. Mr. MURROUGH thought the country was now some what in the state cf Siubad—it was overridden by old men ; and a few days ago it was in this dilemma, that there were only two or three men in it who were thought capable of forming a Ministry, as if a monopoly of the talent of the country belonged to three noble lords. He was satisfied that a strong Government would have been formed if many prejudices had been laid aside. The noble lord (Viscount Palmerston) was a few days ago, what he was not now, master of the situation, and he might have, from below the gangway of either side of the home, selected men who were capable of forming a strong Government. (An ironical laugh.) There might not have been a Russell, an Elliott, or a Cavendish among them; but there would have been men of greater weight, and equal, if not greater, ability—he meant those who repre sented large constituencies, and who came to that house with the weight of the people's authority upon them. ARMY ESTIMATES. The house then went into committee for the purpose of voting the army estimates, and Mr. P. PEEL, after claiming the indulgence of the committee, on the ground of the very short period which had elapsed since he bad held office connected with the War Department, proceeded to lay before the house the details of the estimates for the army during the ensuing year, and in doing so said—The estimates for the army have been swollen to dimensions unusually large, but not, I believe, lar ger th an are commensurate withthe magni tude of the operations iu which the country is engaged. I regret deeply the absence, from. indisposition, of my right hon. friend the present Secretary of State for the Colonies, under whose superintende nce th e present estimates hav e been framed, and which differ in several respects from those which have been submitted to the house for the curren t year. The present differ from ,the previous estimates on account of the greater number of the men, in the large augmenta tions in many of those services which are inseparable from the administration of the army, and also in the creation of a new department, which has not previously been included in the estimates nor submitted to the consideration of the house, viz., the land transport service.. Setting aside the number of regiments of infantry and cavalry of the line em ployed in India, and paid by the Government of that coun try, nor reckoning the estimated force of the foreign corps to be raised under the Foreign Enlistment Act, and exclud ing also the militia already embodied, the number of men which we propose to be voted for the service of the ensuing year is 178,645. When my right hon. friend the late Secre tary at 'War introduced the original estimates of last year, he stated that h e was d es i rous that the house should first have the opportunity of discussing the policy of those mea sures in which the Government had been concerned pre vious to the breaking out of the war, and that after such discussion had taken place he would then introduce farther estimates to provide for placing the army upon a war foot ing, and he introduced two supplementary estimates which, together, provided for an addition to the force of the army of nearly 30,000 men. Comparing the estimates of the present with the original estimates of the last year, there is an increase of about 66,000 men; but as compared with the whole estimates of the year there is - an increase of but 35,869, exclusive of 14,950 men in the foreign corps pro posed to be raised. The manner in which this increased number of men is proposed to be spread over the effective strength of the army is as follows :—ln the first place, there will be an addition of 1,950 men to the Foot Guards. The cavalry also will be increased by 3,470 mon. The remainder is to be spread over 41 regiments of infantry of the line. A battalion of 2,000 strong is to be added to the 60th Rifles, making that regiment one of three battalions, and a battalion of the same strength is to be added to the rifle corps, making three battalions also in that corps. In the course of last year, every regiment, exclusive of those in India, was raised from an esta blishment of 1,000 to 1,200 men, and directions have now been given for further raising the force of those regi ments-4I in number—now serving in the Crimea, from 1,200 to 2,000 men each. With respect to the distribution of this force, there are ten regiments of cavalry in the Crimea, 41 regiments of infantry of the line, and the re mainder of the regiments, exclusive of those in India, are employed in the colonies and the military stations in the Mediterranean. In the course of the past year a consider able reduction has been made in the number of troops maintained by this country in the colonies. There has been an addition of one battalion to the force iu the Aus tralian colonies, but the Government of these colonies are called upon to pay for that increased force, and credit is taken in the estimates for a sum of 12,0001. for the cost of that battalion. The whole sum payable by the'Australian colonies for the military force maintained there is 30,0001. Neither at New Zealand nor at Van Diemen's Land has it been thought advisable to make any redaction in the military force there stationed. The force at the Cape still continues very large, and it has not been thought advisable at present to make any reductions in the number of troops at present stationed in that colony. A very considerable reduction has been made in the West India and British North American colonies. Thera wore formerly throe regi ments in the West India colonies ; there are now only two. In the British North American colonies there wore six regiments—viz., four in Canada and two iu the lower pro vinces. There are now only one regiment in Canada (ex clusive of the Canadian Rifles) and one in the lower pro vinces. It must be satisfactory to know that the reduction was made almost entirely at the invitation of the colonists themselves. Thepeople of Canada have expressed their deep sympathy with this country in the cause in which it is en gaged ; ' and with regard to the force in Nova Scotia, the legislature of that province - has presented an address to the Crown expressing its readiness to undertake the external defence of that country, should the Government find it necessary to withdraw the troops at present stationed there. Of the two regiments in the British North Ameritan colo nies, one is now at Quebec) and the other at Halifax. The whole amount of reduction is about 3,000 men, repre senting an expenditure of f rom 90,0001 . t o 100,0001. (Hear.) The next vote to which I will call the attention of the com mittee includes the charge for the daily pay and daily al lowance, which for the number of men I have mentioned, will amount in the course of the year to 4,500,0001., being an increase of about 1,50J,00N. There has been no altera tion in the rate of pay of _the men and officers, with the exception of that of the colonels of the reginients, which will be found to range from a sum of 6001. to 1,0001. a year for the Foot Guards. That addition to the pay of the colonels has been made in conformity with the recom mendation of a committee of this house, which had re ference to the alteration in the mode of clothing the regi ments. (Hear, hear.) With respect to raising the increased number of men now proposed, it is found that the effective strength of the army is not equal to the estab lishment as voted last year, and that it will be necessary to recruit 40,000 men in the course of the ensuing year, in order to bring the army up to its proposed strength. Pro vision has therefore been made in theestiunstes for recruit ing up to that number. We have also to add about2o,ooo men to supply vacancies which are estimated to be caused by casualties in the course of the year, so that provision is required to be made for tho recruiting of 60,000 men. The estimated cost of raising this number of men is 513,0001., being an excess over that of the estimate of the last year for a similar purpose of 378,0001. The bounty upon recruiting for the infantry was raised from 41. to 61. during last autumn, and in January last to 81. A plan will be proposed by the noble lord at the head of the War Depart ment for enabling the Government to avail itself of the ser vices of a class of recruits of a greater age than that at which recruits are admitted into the army, whose services will be givenfor smaller periods, of one,two,or three years. The sum proposed to be taken to defray the expense of mount ing the cavalry is 320,0001. This sum will include the purchase of 7,500 horses for the cavalry of the line; in fact, re-mounting almost the entire cavalry of the army. In the cavalry regiments in the Crimea the effective force was not more than 4,197 ; but this force has now dwindled down to an amount not exceeding 1,000. We have also to provide for bringing up the former establishment of 4,197 to the proposed increased number of 7,800 • and also to provide for meeting the casu a lti es w hi c h are likely to occur in the course of the ensuing year. The estimated cost of each horse is sot down at 401., while the original cost was for merly not more than 261. It has hitherto been the practice of the Government to purchase horses at the age of three years, and the regulation price was 261. The horses were kept during two years, during which period they cost the country about 601. each, and when five years old they were fit for service. It is now proposed to buy horses of the ages of from five to nine years, and the estimated cost of horses of that age is 401. Th e nex t it em i s th a t o f cos t f or clothing, amounting to 105,0001. The syserm of clothing the regiments by the colonels has, as I have already said, been abolished, and the manner in which we have calm. latkd the cost of clothing under the new system has been to take first the cost price of the clothing for each regi ment, making an allowance for the colonel's former pecu niary profit, and then adding the cost of the clothing for the additional number of men to be added to each regi ment. The colonels of the regiments have now no pecu niary interest iu the matter, and the bill s w ill b e sen t i n and paid by the Government. For tho expenses of general regimental hospitals, an increase is proposed of a sum of 155,000/. Under ordinary circumstances, when a man goes into the hospital, a deduction is made from his pay of the sum of 10d. per diem, and no charges for the hospitals have been borne by the public, the hospitals being self-support ing. But when a man becomes sick in the course of active service, the stoppage made from his pay is only equal to 3id., the cost of his rations. The great bulk of the in crease in the vote is owing to the establishment of hospi tals in connection with the army in the East at Balaklava, Scutari, and at the camp before Sebastopol. As an instance of the difficulty of foreseeing all the probable demands upon the Government in time of war, I may state that since these estimates were prepared it has been proposed to estab lish a civil hospital at Smyrna, and to place it in charge of medical practitioners taken from the civil' part of the profession, and no provision is therefore made for this es tablishment in the present estimates. In the vote for di vine service there is an increase of 79,0001. The number of chaplains sent out is 42, of whom 24 belong to the Esta blished Church, eight to the Presbyterian, and ten to ,the Roman Catholic religion. The rate of pay to each chap lain is 16s. per day, with the exception of some, who re ceive contributions from the Society for the Propagation of the Gospel, and who receive only 1001. per annum. For schools and libraries there is an increase, chiefly arising from increased pay to the schoolmasters, of 7,1501. Owing to the intention of Government to appoint additional schoolmasters who have been trained in normal schools, to establish schools iu connection with various regiments and depots, an increase of eighteen has been made in the num ber of schoolmasters who have been appointed to the schools of militia regiments. The whole number of trained school masterenowappointed is seventy-four, and we estimate that we shall be able to appoint thirty additional ones, thus making a total of 104 schoolmasters. A 811111 of 150,0001. is proposed to be voted as allowance to officers and men for losses, with a view of covering claims to compensation which are likely to bo made in the course of the ensuing year on the part of officers and men for losses which they may sustain while engaged in active service against the enemy. A sum of 75,0001. is also proposed for " field allowances," consist ing of payments made to officers who are actually on service; upon an average they amount to about 2s. Gd. per day, and their object is to-provide officers' outfit and allowance trio the renewal of private baggage, &c. I next come too au ti c vote to defray the charges connected with the proposed 1 state of inefficiency. It has been placed udd er he charge . g . of the Commissariat Department. The thaws which are p t transport s Ie rit servicescr vice. of t h l e t ahlainsybeienntahtelinciit.itineee4thhaatst the fallen citurra.ron,ene proper to the Commisedriat Dep irtrowit are ample to occupy the whole time of eny .a l t a l i i i a e t . t ° se u l e rl h i e t " tl i e l ( q )f ua a litiedto cope with diffi culties.l3lb: n s over-burdene d mou nte d. NoAtV only t with depa rtment, it l O n v n a w: this sick, but also to provide for carrying up to the camp large which had to department called upon to provide the means of transport quantities of extra warm clothing for the troops, and large branchcf j o 3i( rt u i t : fe n 'st s ' , lihe f'o ar r se a fi g : e iii , ene l i ammunition, and the carriage of the quantities of huts sent out from this country, and that, l t e o c o ie adt toge t rr h re e rwhe dying it fu n i g no large the ini animals mbers whichfrom insufficiency it had (l col - of food, badness of roads, and exposure to inclement wea ther. The land transport service was in a state of ineffi ciency, and to remedy it the Government have organised inquiry, let them send out, instead of these commissions, a man whom they had confidence in; let him mix with the rogimental officers and the soldiers, and he would in a very few days find out where was the real evil. The noble lard (Palmerston) bad said nothing about the War-office —nothing about a reform of the Horse Guards—nothing about promotion, upon which subject his noble friend the member for Huddersfield (Lord Goderich) had given no tice of a motion. The country would not be satisfied with the promotion of sixty sergeants. It was not in a humour to take that as a privilege which it demanded as a prin ciple and a right. Unless the Government was prepared to make a thorough and radical' change in the system at die Horse Guards, the country would not be satisfied with anything which it could do. The right hon. gentleman, lately the Secretary at War (Mr. S. Herbert) had in a recent speech insinuated that it was to the House of Com mons refusing to support an army equal to the wants of the public service that the evils from which our troops had suffered were to be attributed. The blame was con tinually shifted from one person to another. The general in command said that he was crippled from home ; tLe Government said the general did not pursue the instruc tions they sent to him ; he threw the blame on the regi mental officers, and the right honourable gentleman threw it upon tke soldiers. Thus one blamed the other, and at last they all agreed to blame the House of CJrnmous. If the House of Commons was to blame, let it be sent to the country, and let its con stituents force it to do its duty. He denied, however, • that the house was to blame. It had for years voted sums of money sufficient almost to support the army of France. What the house had objected to was the present system of favouritism at the Horse Guards, and unless the noble lord was prepared to act upon such a principle as should put an end to this, how could ho ask for the confidence and sup port of those who believed that the miserable and disgrace. ful condition to which our army had been reduced was mainly owing to the state of things which existed at the Horse Guards? Every one was afraid to act with vigour. One morning, as he was going up the lines, he met a con voy of upwards of 300 wounded men attended only by a few privates, without officers or surgeons. Lord Raglan's attention was called to it. He inquired into it, and found that the medical mon and officers who had charge of these wounded men had neglected their dirty. He published a general order, censuring the conduct of the officers as dis graceful, but added, " I will spare their feelings, and will not mention their names." Ile (Mr. Layard) honoured and revered such feelings in a man, but could not honour or re verence them in a general. (Cheers.) What was the result ? The Marines having been landed at Balaklava, and placed ender the orders of the colonel commanding there, one of them was during the night seized with the cholera. He was taken to one of the hospitals, the surgeon of which refused to get up, because the man was a marine. He was then carried to another, where he was refused admission, and as the guard could not leave their post he was left on the shore to die. This was brought to Lordßaglan'snotice, and he was asked to issue a general order reflecting on the medical men concerned. He declined to do so, because he had already issued one general order reflecting upon the medical men, and if he issued another it would weaken the confidence of the army in the medical staff. These were dreadful things. Lord Raglan was an amiable man, and a man of good heart ; but the man whom we wanted to com mand the army was not an amiable man, but a man who would sacrifice friends, relations, all that he held dear in the world, to pet form whit under such circumstances was an act of imperative duty. If things went on in this way, many months would not elapse before there would be nothing but the staff left to return to this country. Let them send out a man of vigour, who would cut down to the root, and who would spare nothing or nobody, and they might then hope for some change—they might then hope to save the survivors of our gallant army. If such a course were not adopted all would perish, and their blood would be upon the heads of the Ministry. (Hear, hear.) It was said that our army was not used to great campaigns. Our cam paigns in India had been on a larger scale than those of the French in Algeria; but a paltry jealousy prevented us availing ourselves of the experience thus gained, and led to such men as Outrarn and numbers of others who had led our troops to glory, and had seen great campaigns, , being passed over because they received the pay of the East India Company, while men of seventy, who had never seen a campaign, were sent out, because they had family connexions, because they were related to members of Par- , liament, or could command a seat. This was monstrous. He was told that by using this language he was pulling down the aristocracy. On the contrary, he wanted to save them, and those only endangered them who supported , the continuance of such a state of things as this, by which the people of England, though patient and long-suffering, would, if it continued, eventually be reused to fury. He ' was told that the Times had raised the cry, and had made 4 the popular indignation. It was not so, any more than it was the Puritan preachers who made the English, or Res- ' Sean and Voltaire who made the French revolution. These men did not make the revolutions, but were made ' b . y them. So, t oo , it was no t th e Ti mes th a t ma d e pu bli c indignation in England, but public indignation which made the Times. (Cheers.) If the Government wanted to have the position of the Times, let them do as it had done ; let them come forward in that house, and say what the people of England thought, and not what they wanted them to think. (Hear, hear) The noble lord had told the house that Lord John Russell was going to Vienna, but he had not told it wh e th er h e was go i ng to advocate ' the principle advocated by Lord Castlereagh, to whose mission this had been compared, or whether he was going to negotiate upon the four points. This was a question of such importance that upon it the people of England, through their representatives, had a right to ask for dis tinct information. He did not wish to touch upon sub jects which it might be dangerous to canvass in a public assembly, but did it never occur to Ministers that the people of England had by the fault of their Governments now placed themselves in a position w hi c h expose d th em to the contempt of their neighbours, and which they might ere long have occasion to rue, not so much on account of their own dignity and interest as on account of the inde lible impression it had made on those wh o m i g ht b e a t heart our enemies, and our friends only for a period ? Did the Government forget that the eyes of all Europe were now upon us ? Was it ready, for any private, party, or family considerations, to allow us to become not only the ' laughing-stock of the world, but to fall from the high piace which we once held in the rank of nations, and to show that we might perhaps be an easy prey to any one who sought our destruction ? In what position did the noble lord (Lord Palmerston) stand a few days ago? No man ever undertook the formation of a Ministry who had more general sympathy not only throughout England but throughout the world. H;s name was throughout Europe, ve h e of wouldigreat . reputationnPo r t i s u a c y i , of the cause of Italy in 1848 could not tarnish ; it has pra ss e - lm a ec s ae ai; s gv o ierti b l nrwaoasaansd: whethere; thatrepresentative ca y ss e e I n nti ht4 t aeh h t liberty.Yeebpoerotrefis•aeyi wron gly a ta l ti of the Sicilians and passed through every storm. He rose in that house with the whole people of England ready to support him. He rose as no man bad ever risen there before, at a moment when every member of the house would have supported him, because they felt that, at a great crisis, he had, from a sense of duty, undertaken a difficult and onerous task. Would the people of England be satisfied with what the noble lord haddono? He thought they would not. They were quiet Major REID said he had been long of opinion that the whole system in vogue at the Horse Guards was disgrace ful, and that if anything could make it more disgraceful it was the jobbery practised in giving commissions by pur chase. Ho contended that until there was a change in that respect they would never have an efficient army, and that until they made the service open to merit they would never obtain really efficient officers. There was a vast number of men in the army who, although not highly educated, and not born with a silver spoon in their mouths, seeassete, considered the change w 0..„--- - sereee genet wee a very leophseheot; 4.4 must be very satisf a ctory. B u t he wished to ask the lion. gentleman whether it had struck him that the officers of the army sent home from theerimea were subjected to very great expense. He would give the house a case which had been related to him. It was the case or an officer who was wounded in the Crimea by ricochet cannon ball a 9-pounder.. He saw the ball coming, and saw it enter the ground, and thought it had not sufficient power to strike him ; but it did strike him in the breast. He (Captain Boldero) was speaking of facts related te him by the officer's bro ther. The ball struck him and knocked him from his horse ; the medical men in the Crimea saw the wound was of great severity, and he was ordered home. He (Captain Boldero) had seen the individual himself in London, delicate in appearanc e but still in pr e tty goo d h ea lth. The wound turned out badly afterwards, an ulcer formed in his chest, and he was laid upon his back. He went to an eminent medical man in London and stated Lis case. The opinion of that medical man was, had the ball struck him lower down, in the pit of the stomach, it would be instant death ; that had it struck him higher up it would cause a linger hig death, but having struck him where it did he thought he could cure him, lie made a deep incision in the chest, and attended him twice a day. That man was paying two guineas a day to that medical man for attendiug him, in the hope that he would cure him. Whereae, if there was an hospital for officers of the army like those in Ports mouth and Plymouth, he would receive the best medical attendance in the kingdom free of expense. The officer heel about 15s. a day, and he had to pay between two and three guineas a day for medical attendance, There was something rotten in the system when such a man was obliged to pay a heavy expense in order to got ~`tie neces sary attendance. It was stated by the hon. menther for Aylesbury that the medical men in front of Seleestopol had signed a round robin, offering their resignation to Lord Raglan, though they were in presence of an enei.V, and if such a thing did occur it was mutiny. The eoldie,"B had done their duty as men with gallantry and bravery, hand to hand and foot to foot, and let them blame the re gimental officers as they liked, they and the men had done the work. With regard to the state of recruiting, he understood they were at that moment getting 1,000 a week, a formidable number-52,000 a year. But what were the casualties? Why the casualties were a 1,000 per week. He did not pretend to say that the casualties in the Crimea were a 1,000 a week ; but what he meant to say was, that the casualties of the British army, including the colonies, were a 1,000 a week ; and that being so, he wanted to know, how the army was to be recruited if the war continued? In the course of these discussions allusion had been made to the Walcheren expedition, and an attempt had been made to draw a comparison between that and the expedition to the Crimea. But the former expedition had to encounter a notoriously bad climate, but in the Crimea the climate was comparatively healthy, and yet we had lost our troops. We had lost (them, not through the climate, but from ever fatigue, from want of food, from want of clothing, from want of medical attend ! anee. Tho climate of the Crimea was just as good as the climate of England, and if we had fed and clothed the troops well, most likely they would have been just s.s healthy as if they were at home. The fact was, however, this Government had undertaken what they could not pee , ' form ; they had entered - upon a war against Russia without making proper arrangements—and what had been the re• suit? Why, they had sent a formidable fleet to the Baltic, which had done nothing ; they had sent an army to Varna, which was cruelly reduced by disease; and, finally, they had cent au army into th e C r i mea to fight three splendid actions, without subduing the enemy. All these things were admitted; every blunder was admitted—for the Go vernment denied nothing ; and there could be no doubt about it, that the whole action of the army and the ma nagement of its supplies had been a mass of confusion and neglect from beginning to end. He yet hoped, however, that the present Government would be enabled to get the country out of the difficulty ; but before they could do so an effort must be made to invest the north of Sebastopol. He did not wish to go into any other matters of detail, but there was ono incident he could not help referring to, if only for a moment or two. Last July, while walking along the banks of the Thames, he saw some barges load ing with porter, and he was told the porter was going out to the Crimea. An order was afterwards issued, stating that the porter would be supplied to the troops at half price, but he was informed when the porter reached Con stantinople there was no ono to receive it, nor were there any stores where it could he warehoused, and the porter had to be brought back to England again. Now he should be glad to know how that was. Didithe authorities order it back because it was inferior in quality, or why? Porter, he thought, would be of great service to the troops as a preservative of health—at 'least so he should gather from the experience of a medical officer who had served with the 94th Regiment in India. The mortality in that regiment in 1840 was 91 per cent., whereas in 1854 it had fallen to 1i percent. ; and that improvement the medical officer attributed partly to improved sanitary arrangements, and partly to the introduction of porter amongst the men, who were thereby induced to abandon the use of spirituous liquors. Now there was no difficulty about this porter ;it was a national beverage—it could be obtained cheap—and he should like to know how it was that the porter sent out last summer was returned home instead of being distributed to the troops? Mr. W. WILLIAMS should neither object to the num ber of men nor the amount of money asked for, but there were parts of these estimates which they could not well discuss then. For instance, they wore told that the offices of Secretary for 'War and Secretary at War were to be con solidated, and if that were so, how could they be required to vote the expense of both? He, however, had no wish to complain of expense; what he wanted was efficiency in the execution of the office. The cost of these of f ices was something like 70,000/. a year, and he ventured to say that for that sum, if the two were combined, the business would bo infinitely better done than it was at present. Only plane is proper person at the head of the War Department, as was done in France, and he should have no fears for the re sult ; but in the meantime, until they were informed what Government had determined upon, he thought this branch of the estimates ought to be postponed. The hon. gentle. man had referred to the change which had been made in the chilling of the army. He (Mr. 'Williams) had made it a rule to bring that question before the house for a num• ber of years past, and, of course, he was not sorry to hear that at length the clothing of the army was placed in the hands of the Government, instead of the colonel- in com mand. As far back aslB3l a committee reported upon this very subject, and at that time the profit to the colonel for clothing the Grenadier Guards was 1,8001. ; but now he hoped the system was irrevocably changed, and that the colonels were provided for as gentlemen and sol diers ought to te, instead of having to make up their incomes by becoming the tailors of their own orefggiemneenratsl. officers,The, c h tg ,, a t iu w , a l v i a th iv. r o e i g n a i r i cl of to the th g e m e a tn te o s lu t m po e s h s t i a . ble compo t i n t, f or t h e sy / stew enabl e d P r i nce Albeit to re ceive 2,2001. a year, while such men as Sir De Lacy Evans, Sir Colin Campbell, an d Si r Th omas Brown only i-eceived 1,100/. as the colonels commanding regiments. Where was the justification for paying Prince Albert, who was no soi -1 dier, so much more than those veteran officers, whom he did not object to see provided for, when it was done in a proper manner ? The hon. gentleman had also referred to the system now going on for reducing the number of gene ral officers ; but although there was now a desire to reduce their number, it appeared to him, upon looking closely into the Queen's warrant, that there was a loophole left for increasing the number in the event of the Minister wishing it. We haul now 350 general officers on the list, whereas France, with an army of between 500,000 and 600,000 men, had only 255. Another matter which he faund fault with was the preference given to the Guards over regiments of the line. Why should a captain in the Guards have the rank of a lieutenant-:olenel in the line? He could only account for it by the fact that the Guards wore principally officered by members of the aristocracy. Again, look at the inequality in the pay of officers in the Guards and officers in the line ; a lieutenant -colonel in the Guards received V. 6s. 9d. a-day, while an officer of simi lar rank in the line only received 17s. a day. It only re mained for him to observe that he thought the colonies ought to provide their own local forces, without putting this country to expense, and to repeat that he made no objection to the number of men or the amount of money asked for them. 1 this land transport corns, which will undertake the land 1 transport service of the army. It is placed under the charge of Colonel M`Murdoch, who had proceeded from this country to the Crimea to set it in immediate opera tion. 1 find that, including the staff, the number of per sons that will be organised—native drivers amongst them, who will form part of the corps—will amount to about 3,000, and this vote is intended to cover the pay of that number of men, and, I believe, also to provide for the transport of animals that shall be purchased by our agents. I do not mean to say that it will be sufficient to pay for the animals themselves, but it will provide for their con veyance from the countries whore they shall be purchased to the seat of war, where they will be available for the pur poses of the army. lam unable to state the number of animals that will be collected . together, because that will be regulated by the demands of the service. The honour able member fer Aylesbury has said that we have made no provision for the maintenance of tho foreign corps ; but in that respect ho was in error, for 1 have now arrived at the estimate which provides for that, purpose 400,0001., and which will be found at page 10. 1 have now gone through all the material items of the second vote in these estimates, and 1 have now to state that the total charge for Um land forces to he voted by this house amounts to the sum of 7,350,0001., which is in excess of the eetielate of last year—including in that expression as well the original as two supplementary estimates-2,630,0001. There is no difficulty in accounting for that excess. It is owing to the, increased number of men receiving daily pay—the cost of the foreign corps—the coot of the land transport corps—the additional cost of hospital service and of the recruiting service, and the mounting of the men. Suppose I divide the charge for the land forces amongst the men to be maintained, including the foreign corps, I find the cost per man, including officers as well as privates, will be for 1853-54, 351. Bs. ; for 1854-55, 341. 14s. ; and for the present year, 371. 19s. The increase for the vote in the last year for the staff amounts to 163,600/. There is no alteration, I think, in the Cape of Good Hope staff; and with regard to that part of the foreign staff that is em ployed in the other colonies, I find there is a diminution of about 5,5001. That diminution is owing to the reduction of the military force in the province of Canada. In conse quence of that reduction, we have substituted a major general on the staff for a lieutenant-general, and to that sub stitution this reduction is to be attributed. There is one remark which I wish to make in reference to the pay of the military secretary of the governor of the Cape of Good Hope. The Government have determined that for the future, where there is a civil governor in a colony, he shall not be allowed any staff by the Imperial Government. The con sequence is, that in the case of the Governor of Canada we have taken away the provision that was made for the aide de-camp for the civil governor. But we have made an ex ception to the rule in the case of the Governor of the Cape of Good Hope. We allow him a military secretary, paid by this country, and the reason is partly in consequence of the much larger force maintained is the Cape of Good Hope than in the other colonies, and partly also in conse quence of the major-general commanding the army at the Cape being at a very great distance from the seat of the civil government, the major-general being at the eastern ex tremity and the civil governor at the western extremity. The whole of the increase in the estimates isto be attributed to the staff employed in the army abroad. It is not nem eery to go into details, but I may say that more than one-half of the increase is required to pay for the number of surgeons and assistant-sureeons which it is necessary to employ in the hospitals at Zutari and with the army. The next vote to which I come is vote No. 4, for the public departments connected with the army. In this vote there is also a con siderable increase—there is an increase of 48,5001. I may state that I shall reduce the vote when I come to take it by the salary of the Secretary -at-War, for, that office having ceased to exist as a separate office, it will not be necessary to veto the salary. The increase in No. 4 arises partly from our having included in it the charge for the establishment of the Secretary of State for War, which amounts to a sum of 18,0001. The charge for that department last year was, I think, included in the civil estimates ; at all events, it was not included in the army estimates. There is also a considerable increase in the cost of the office which has hitherto been known as that of the Secretary at War. It has been found necessary to have an additional number of clerks employed in that office. The clerks engaged are temporary clerks, and of course will cease to be employed the moment the pressure of business in that service shall be reduced. There is ales an increase on account of postage, which is merely 'a matter Of account, costing nothing to the public ; and these items added together account for the whole of the increase in this vote. I shall pass over the sth rote—the vote for the Royal Military College—be cause that is a self-supporting institution. That is to say, the payments made by the young men who are educated in that college quite cover the cost of the establishment. The payments, however, aro made into the Exchequer, and a certain sum is vot e d i n th e est i mates for the supportP of the establishment. An hon. gentleman has given notice of a motion on the subject of the payments made by different classes of students, which will come on in duo course, and I then propose to referfurther to the matter. There is an in crease in the vote for the military asylum, which is vote No. 6, of 2,6111. I alai informed that last year an Act of Parlia ment was passed authorisiug the appropriation of 10,0001. for the purpose of enlarging the accommod a ti on i n th e Mil itary Asylum, and th e ebject of the increased vote in the pre sent year is to provide for the additional orphans who are to 1 be admitted into the asylum in consequence of the additional accommodation thus provided. The present number of orphans, as well in the Royal Military Asylum as in the Hibernian School, is 350, and we now provide for the maintenance of 120 additional orphans. Passing over vote No. 7, iu which no alteration is made, I come to vote N o . 8, which is th e c h arge for the embodied militia of the United Kingdom. There are 150 regiments of militia to be provided for, and the charge amounts to 3,813,3831. This is the first time that the charge for the militia has been included in the army estimates of late years. The course hitherto has been to take the militia estimates sepa rately from the army estimates. A committee was ap pointed, to whom the secretary submitted the militia esti mates, and if the committee approved of them, they were introduced to the house separately, and passed in that form. Last year a sum was taken on account for the several regi ments of militia embodied. This year, however, nearly the whole of the militia of the country is placed on a per manent footing, and the charge, therefore, for this ser v i ce is included in th e army est i mates. Of the' regiments em bodied the service of three has been accepted for the Medi terranean, and it is intended to send a further number to the same part of the world. With this vote is concluded the effective branch of this estimate, and upon the effective branch it is that the whole augmentation takes place. On coming to the other division of this estimate—the non effective branch, it would be found that, on the whole, as compared with last year, there is a reduction cf 33,0001. The first rote on the non-effective brunch is the charge for rewarding officers and men who have rendered distinguished service to the country. The whole vote amounts to 2z,000/., of which 18,0001. is appropriated to the rewarding cf ofti cots, and 4,0001. to the rewarding of sergeants. There is an increase in that part of the estimate that is employed in the rewarding of sergeants of 1,5001. The next two votes are 10 and 11, both of which are important, and both of which show a considerable increase. The first of those votes is applied to the unattached pay of general officers, and there is an i ncrease i n th e vote of 18,005/. I will state the manner in which the increase arose. It is owing to the recommendation of the com mission which was appointed last year upon the subject of the retirement and promotion of officers in the army. The number of general officers receiving payment at the rate of 11. ss. per day was fixed some time ago at 120. Such super numerary general officers, provided they had served a cer tain number of years as field officers, were allowed to re ceive not 1/. ss. a-day, but an annual allowance of 4001. In consequence of their being no brevet for some time past, the number of general officers in the estimates of last year had sunk below 120, and the number had become fixed at 105, so that there was no general officer receiving the pay of 400/. a-year. The commission appointed last year made an entire change in the manner of promoting officers to be general officers with the view of bringingyounger men into the ranks, where they could be employed in time command of brigades or divisions. It is unnecessary to enter into the details at length, except so far as they boar upon the esti mate in this vote. It was stated that the effect of the re commendation, if adopted, would be to bear hardly upon the colonels created by the brevet of 1811 and 181(1, and in laints it was a d v i se d th a t one rmor e ode to brevet s)re shouldvent y c Ili be issued °P to include all the colonels of 1811 and 1846. The commission recommended that the number of general officals receivin„eil/. ss. a-day should be reduced to the number of 100 ; but the effect of the brevet of last year, by bringing forward to the rank of major general the colonels of 1811 and 1846, has been to raise the whole number of major -generals, excepting always those who arc employed and are colonels of regiments, to 148, and the excess over 100 is to be provided for ; but it is intended in future to promote only one colonel to the rank of major-general for every throe vacancies, until the whole number, which is now 143 shall be reduced to 100. The payment of the 4001. a-year to the general officers exceeding 100 will account for she increase in this vote. The increase on vote No. 11 is caused by the re tirement on full pay of a certain number of colonels, captains, and other officers, and that is owing also to the recommendation of the commission ; for whereas formerly the sum fixed was 46,0001,. in accordance with the recommendation of the committee it was agreed that it should be raised to the sum of 60,0001., the object being to make provision for certain captains and other officers who did not possess the activity which the exigencies of the present time required. A sum of 5,0001. would bo sufficient for the purpose in the course of this year ; and next year and subsequent years more votes would be taken for the same purpose, so as eventually to )ring up the whole vote for retired full pay for officers of the rank of colonel and captain and other officers to the standard of 60,0001. The charge for half-pay has undergone a reduc tion in the course of last year. The diminution in the num ber of officers receiving it was not less than 313, and the diminution amounted to 7,721/. A great part of this re duction was owing to deaths in the course of the year, but a portion of it was also owing to the course pursued by the Government in calling out all the available captains who would accept employment in the army on active service, the opportunity of offering them employment being e afforded to the G overnmen t b y th e augmen t a ti on o f la forces. I may ob serve th a t thi s vo t e, th oug h su b s tantially a non-effective vote, h as , t o a cer t a i n extent, in conse quence of what pa sse d i n th e cou r s e of last year, main tained a reserve on which the Government are able to call for officers, and by which the establishment of the army may be increased without at the same time increasing the burdens of the country. I have no remark to make upon vote 13, which provides for the pay of the disbanded offi cers of the foreign corps in the late war, which sh ows o f course. I wish to say a few words on votes 14 and 15 which provides pensions for the widows of officers and for their families. The increase in the vote for the present y ear i s to b e attributed to the probability that there will be an increased number of claims in the course of the year, and it is con sidered desirable to relax the forms of the warrant under which those pensions are granted. Suppose an officer dies trout fatigue or privation while engaged against the enemy it is considered that his wid ow and family have as fair a claim upon the country as if he had died in battle. In the vote for the hospitals there has been a sin ill increase in copse- , quence of the increased price of provisions. The only re meining vote which it is necessary to advert to is the charge tor out-pensioners. There is a reduction of the sum 1 of e 7,1231. iu that vote iu consequence of out-pensioners dying of in the course of the year, while the present war it is not supposed during this next year will exercise any material influence on the number of out-pensioners. II tying occupied the committee so long, I shall now, with- i out leaking any of those r itlections which the nature of the 1 subject, might call for, at oece proceed, sir, to place in your i heed the first vote for 193,595 otlizeis, non-commissioned t officers, and rank and file for th e year commencing the let of April, 1855, and end's; the 30th of March, 1856. Captain Be/LDERO observed that navy officers who were wounded and brought house to this country had an asylum offered to them at Portsmouth or Plymouth, where they received every kindness and attention, and were attended by the medical skill which their cases demanded, and he thought it was a great hardship that wounded officers of the army, sent home from the Crimea, had not a similar asylum to receive them. He was glad to hear from the hon. member that the charge made to soldiers on entering hospital had been reduced from tenpence to twopence. Ile 1. Mr. BENTINCK would not trouble the house with any remarks upon the details of these estimates ; he merely wished to make this one single remark—they had often heard of the enormous expense attendant upon the mainte nance of an army, but when they compared the estimates moved last year with those of the present year, they could not fail to be surprised at the enormous sum of money which had been expended in starvingan army. Bui he hoped now that there was a new Government there would be a better state of things. and that when they met next year they would not be called upon to indulge in the sad reflec tions that they were compelled to do now. (Hear.) Colonel B. KNOX declared that it was the course pur sued by the hon. member for Lambeth and the hon. mem ber for Montrose, and members of their class, that had brought matters to their present state. The hon. member for Lambeth, whose speech was a tirade against Prince Albert, before he got up in that house to preach about the condition of the army, should first thoroughly learn his lesson in order that he might know what he was talking about. The hon. member had made several gross mis takes. He forgot to tell the house that in the Guards there were three battalions, and that each battalion was equal to a regiment of the lino; but that would not suit the tactics of the hon. member, who was little better than a pettifogging economist. (A laugh.) Did not the hon. member know what an officer in the Guards drew for al lowances? Did ho draw for coals, candles, and so f or th, which wore allowed to officers of th e li ne ? No such thing ; but it did not suit the hon, member's purpose to mention those minor details. A captain in the Guards received 1201. a year, in the line ho received 2001., and yet the officers in the Guards had to find their own clothing— everything, in fact. (Hear.) He wished to put this matter fairly to the honourable member. Well, then, was it not disgraceful in him to talk in the manner he had done ? Was ho pursuing a straightforward course in thus attacking officers in the Guards? Had the Guards done their duty, orlha. I they not ? (Hear, hear.) They had, and, having been connected with the army for 25 year., he could not sit there quietly and hear these pettifogging charges made against a service to which he was proud to belong. (Hear.) With regard to the clothing, no doubt the change which had been made was a very proper one ; but though that was so, he must decline to give the hen. member for Lambeth the credit of it, which he wished to claim, while he begged leave to tell the bon. and gallant member that there were grave doubts whether the country NN mild not lose by the change. At the same time, it was only right that colonels of regiments should be relieved from their clothing responsibilities, and their pay placed upon a settled footing. (Hear, hoar.) He concurred most fully with what had fallen from that hon. and gallant member for Huntingdon (Gear d Peel.) Government had engaged in the war without sufficient men or adequate materials for carrying it on. They did it with their eyes open. They did it after the military departments of the country had been improperly reduced through the squabbling over the estimates by men of the school to which the hon. member for Lambeth belonged, and now that they had got into war they found that their means were totally inadequate for carrying it on. Ile said, then, th a t the iesponsibility rested with the Government. If he was not misinformed, in December, 1853. wh en w ar w a s line itieni, a conference was held at the War-office, which was attended by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Secretary-at-War, the - I`.liniiter for the Colonies, andCooreranadtetrhei ni iChief. Public rumour said the distinguished of our army was called up,u by the conference to gi e v a e as opinion as to what number of men could be furnished, or would be le - paired in case of emergency. "What number that distinguished officer !mentioned he knew not ; but if the general co mmandinL.ln-thief of the army advised the executive government that he was totally deficient in every material necessary ( a great w ar , th en th e responsibility wa rested upon a. pon the G overnmen t was r= a doubly great. That was a question which ought to be s fuse. (Hear.) Lord SEYMOUR wished t_ say one or two words rathere in defence of an absent member than upon the details of the estimates. The hon. and gallant member who had jute sat down had told the committee that the state of the army -...._