The Sun. — London, England, 1815-03-01 00:00:00

F al Solite f i 4 . . el„ r eser utere tine! In their je ei pe e eep ee ity, th e y anotle:T neut. . t_teurti . l :tiertli d_iodg . -ilt t etopt:e ., to . 0 • v ed to themselves a right of altering their call out the militia during the A merican \vat, be PllliOn g _. r had come down to the house, and stated in a 'fair rill„ , ' -.l s cr cumstanceS might require, which P oe divul,ted in the course of the-trial. -The and manly way, that the reason of calling them Perro n • IA a ,, g i ven r3y himself. and , t h e Solicitor-Gene- out was to enable our disposable force to be sent 4!)t, L nt on the ground that the Militia might be over to America. He had thought it necessary to beendeorlied on the yespobsibilitv of . Ministers, get an Act of Parliament for the . purpose. This • h e 4 . exercised 'on that alone. Ile that opinion condoct was quite the reverse et what was pur -1 `ld been confirmed by -eve" thing h e h a d sued by Ministers on the present occasion. , 'e tre e _ . ~ ee ,z . 5,1 10% iAs he considered the motion mine- Mr. BATintesT, .in explanation, said, that, he : . B ii. y, he should certainly oppose it. bad never skid that Gere were no complaint fienin te 1 . 11 ' PlcioTT said, it should 'ae his endeavour it that in any regiments, but wee general there . - (n lne back t a l l , 1 - this question to its real merits, from :no complaints. As to the epithet the Noble Lo rd t t e' c ',,it had widely deviated. The present urea- thought to apply to his mariner, he would leave - it l i : l . ° , i keeping the Militia embodied had been de- to the jedgment of the liaise, whether, upon this ~..r s e 1 on the practice - of Ministers. He consi- occasion or any other, it .deserved that epithet !‘ e l j (1 it of the deepest importance to the country more than the conduct of the Noble Lord himself. th at w ill(' act of Parliamentrelatiee to calling out Sir MAW: Wooer observed, th a t th e very oat h ~he i. 4i litia should b e we ll understood, and if it - taken by aMiliiiittnan, under thel nte r c h ange Act, th e e out he thought the Legislature should take stated that he would serve not only during the t i t tv arliest o p portun i ty to make it so. It was a war, but for such further ti me as t h e Mili t i a s h ou ld b,,est.ti°4 of law, and he had. never yet read a law continue embodied. He %void(' ask Gentlem en , ti ton w ilichalire c t e d hi m to l oo k f or l ega l i n f ortna- w h et h er I re l an d cou ld safely he left in her present th, : i in the pr act i ce o f M inisters. • If he did, he situation, vvitheut a strong milit ar y f orce i Sh e h a d ett tl id say that Mi n i sters on l y l ang l te d et t i me hardly any thing to call a P o li ce , 'and was 'tone • eh r °l Parliament—they :ride it a jest, and had into different partie s , P rotestants an d C atholics, e vai lYs .. Some bugbear . o.r other to render it oF no ; Ortingennen. : and eo 1 -. orth'. lie conceived that the ki ll : - I h e act absolutely required that before the ; Mil iti a were of gr e at service in preserving the tliv e should be allowed to call out the Militia, h e : peace, and he knew that whet' he was there, they ti..lt he able to prove to his people by proclama- were often applied to in ellel+lost trivial . ti Z' i ) , either that there was an invasion, imminent ' Lord STANLEY believed that the 'complaints wer Q c - 1 6 ,g e r Of an invasion, a rebellion, or an insurrec- much mere general than the Right Him. Gentle . tr a in the c oinit ", e At the treaty of Amiens, man supposed. He understood that great discou nt", l 'Gdy was aware that the . peace was not 'lent was felt by those regiments that were,lCePt 'lt ov to i teit J lie of long duration, and yet the Militia Ireh . ind ; , t. ' tied Ne e ee y 'disembodied after the peace was Sir I+. lioon assured the Hon. Baronet (Sir M. ei l e ' The Ihruse ought to l oo k at t h e pr i n - Woucl) that he was much m i sta k en, it he Sup -4) e 8 on which Ministers were acting at present. posed that Ireland was generally without a police. l e Ri tilt tt erie is .H on. Gentlema n , • (Mr. Bathurst) hail He did not know how it :n i g h t h a p pen to be ill kn o-ssed th ere was no d a „ ; . ! .. e ,. of invasion, b ut those parts of Irelane that he had, been in.; but lie e l k lred the cond uct of Ministers was warranted ! could assure hint, that in general there were a suf ttateeliing up the Plilitia, b ecause we were un d er ficieut number of coestables iied police.oflicers, ti e „ l) "ssity of havin g a l arge f orte on t h e C on- and that the Co u nty G ran d J ur i es h a d a power th ent for the pu r p oses o f Government. What, to increase the numb e r as f ar as t h e y judged ne- L , in ~,,. 3 as the amount by , whic h Ministers might cessary. st et :?"fined ?It had been argued, and it was Mr. LITTLETON thought that if the situation of I,„``' lei the written opinion of his Hen. and Ireland was such . as 'had been describtel by. an tr.. :. 11.fl ed Friend, that there were no words which Hon. Baronet (Sir Hark Wood), it might be ne pid,r.lhen the King shall disembody the Militia,- cessary to keep up a militia force there to eubju eqt eb—hut surely' there must be a time, they could gate those lawless parties. , Hee however, in) ge rises j' kept up for ever. The Act said most ex: nem', disapproved of keeping up-a great militia the ie j' Yi,)II shell not call out the Militia, and force- in time of peace, not only on constitutional ap ree / 1 "lieen from their own countries, but for geounds, but also on account of the great aug 'v,)l.... Ptir lmseS.. For these reasons he _ should metitation of expellee, which was a circumstance -In 1e 0 ,,, Th e 'kt of the motion. ' that -might not to be lost sight of in the present vkl leil ask o ucrrott. GENERAL declared, . that he, deice. Let h e .'' e d to give Iris opinion as -a lawyer, would . Mr. ntt.EY AnniNoTorl wished to set an Hon. ras e o i ca P a ble of g i v i ng an opinion for the put- Gentleman right with r e sp re t t o th e D er b ys hi re Leither asp le the views of any Government ; militia: That regiment hail arrived in their own Llent t e'' vt 'uld be hold an o ffi ce from airy Govern- . county, end he believed iu the v er y t owa of•Der 'l"Y oth e d : b i t ,' sbpaosed wits capable of expecting . by, for the purpose of being disembodied, t.viten t' ... ese t i,,.,i ,. ioan his be s t 'o pi n i on on t h e l aw o f t h e 1 the order re ac h e d th em I - 0v continuing longer em rtit t o hi 'l. vsas submitted to him. The question ' bodied. Upon this .e eum mg" ber of the, amounting; peroive ` V as, wh et h er i t wai b y t h e h aw j ua _•, to I . .:0, and not t o 300, as h a d b een state d, pre -14„, ;lith e (0)11,1the CrOwn immediately to dishanei the . seated a. very respectful leemorial, asking an ex-. ~t ' olvil to vell ethei' it would be illegal . fur the . planation of the re as o n o f thi s - or d er . Th e rue e ne-l te e 4i k ee l): their for a time longer embodied ? modal was sent by Sir H. Torrens to the de art in tlieA,.,',' . : F his opinion,- that there was nothing ment to- which he had the honour to belong, and it inneei a - i f t lv oich neree 'it imperative on the Ci - own an answer was immediately returned. After the kt was riot ‘ e 'Y to dieband them, and therefore that receipt of this answer, there were no symptoms of be te ille ga l illegal to keep them emeoilied for such dissarisfaetion in the regiment. As to the dianner ete epe . .the Crown hr its discretion should judge in which the case had been stated, for the opinion l ' If it had been illegal to 'keep nem en: -:_ :of the' Law Officers, he did not know how the to honied;h, it would have been the duty of Ministers question • could have been put in any other way N edi av e advised the Crown to disband them inn- mote likely to elicit a full and satisfactory opinion ~ ire , ate . T Y t but if there was eo law making it as to the point of law. f et , P , r i at ive upon them so to do, then it was • , Si! JoHN NEWPORT defended the police of Ire them' l e eliscretien of the Crown to disband land ; but at the satire time drought that if $t was ei:eis at stich thine as it judged proper : this ex- defective, or that Ireland was not governed as :t all w e , ° f the discretion of the Crown being like ought to be, the fault rested entirely with Minis ii,_ we, under certain Controul; and subject to ters. -He could not avoid taking this opportunity a _c_eesponsibility of Ministers. Ile . believed that of bearing his testimony to the good conduct of. ." at Part of the Militia had been already dis- the English Militia regiments in Ireland. "Wed . 1e0 r1,, , e, and the remainder was in a course of Mr. PEEL said, that it was not his intention to adio r t oisbanded ,as soc..!u as circumstances should have taken a. part in this debate, and should have . Ith er "it : A case had already been:mentioned, adhered to that resolution), if reference had not oi l i: e th eJudges gave an opinion when called up, been made by some Honourable Members to the Let ir, Innisters, but obsei-ved, that they should state of Ireland, in the Administration of which tea tte t) a tileinselves bound by this opinion if the country he had the honour to bold a share. He L is e r tame before them judicially. He wat sure ft himself called upon to defend that country feelleitearned Friend (the Attorney-General) tvo s uld from are ch a ige which had been brought against r e e l. ti tbe'same manner, that •any opinion which it, that it had no Police ; and also from the asset- , e lit'_ : t . e asked of hi m b y Ministers would not at ': tion of the.llight -Hon. Baronet, th at if t h e P o li c e ti on ull etate on his decision in his 'judicial sittra- ! of Ireland was defective, it was the fault of Go, l a , f _. when the matter canna to be fully argued ' vernment. So far from their b e i ng no P o li ce i n kite him. ' Ireland, there was nut a single county in it, which tl le t i:, l i .( , l : INTILTON declared, that, although not in had not a Police, or might not have one, if the e• ~t e: : nit of paying compliments, he felt the sin- Grand Juries - would exercise the powers with ee r .,` t vCseeet for the legal opinion of the Learn- 'ethic!' they were invested by law. The Police of .4,olviouintletnati who spoke last, and was sere that Ireland was at present conducted tinder two Acts. Nee ‘e a lwaYs be 'giv en w i t h t h e most honourable. of Parliament, and under b o th of, them every le ed , e• At the saline time he thought that it was county in Ireland might be supplied with a Police. l e fa :? 0 in human nattete not to feel a strong bias Salaries were allotted to the constables, which t a()liii ` e ir of an opinion once deliberately pro- were to be provided by _the GrandJueles, If, fr 0 4,.. . 1 , (1 - lie could not help thinking, however, therefore, any blame was attributable', it was not Vo th ]ne manner in which the 'queStion was put to the Government, but to those local aethorities itlini''. Learned Gentleman, that it was the wish of in which those powers were vested. Theee was Pes p '' , te ts to get. an answer that would suit their one observation which had been made which he .ite e ' s es. it was put quite in that way that law- could Rot pass without notice, viz. that the Eng. ee fr amed a leading question. The question was lisp 'Militia were employed in Ireland to subjugate 'ltl, el 4 , 4l ed, that it was almost impossible that any that country. hie - had often been accused of ex -411,4 answer could be given to it. Any country aggerating One disturbances which subsisted in n °n 'au of plain sense, ..t1 . , . titular Ireland, and of describing- them in too glowing 1 0 wii ,. 1,, ~ e e,t tout air pat IQ I v ,ee of Jew, had only to -read the Act, and colours, but he should have been sorry indeed if isope.?"lel immediately see that there was . nothing he had ever gone ' so tar as to state, that the ilis lite, `live in it as to the timeoldisbendieg the mi- affection was so great as to make it necessary to e liej . ", i,, c ll -ear, hear, from the Ministcrialllenches.) employ the English Militia to subjugate Ireland. KAe ari t . , int was so clear, that the opinions of the I i the Hon. Geutlenuan. thought that such was the e. "I Gentlemen were only asked for the pile- state of that country, and, that it was owing to 4 i et . n e t . • being 'sent round the cow - lirelo produce the misconduct of Government, he might to bring L eta 1 ,,, , ~ , . . lte ro , lich Monsters wished. • Allinonell the forward some specific motion upon the subject, the ' q the latv niiglit net have been .viOlaterl, and-p o int out such of the acts of the Irish Go pitleebt' l'irit and intention of the inilitie laws had ' vernment -as, in his opinion, tended to produ c e eii r Niy been violeted. The opinions of the that effect, He might refer him tothe Right lion; ot en t li e d c 2,.. _. . .. 1 „ f • p7.'-nriLlrlan WOtild CertailllY g 0 to the ex- liaronet who sat near him, who - could inform him k' k e d'notaininct tle't tar wilitil miGht - iv:gaily whethee the feelings of:tine people of Ireland to ,1,,,, A t ilt} in time of ~,, et __ . . ,..., .e. 1 , 0 peace, as king n' s the Crown the English Militia were such as to . shew, th at I N e P r °Per - • If there was a 11 1 00 in the . that was the object for which the latter were sent l ' N1)( ' sliu i)elieved tha t tine militiamen had not to that country. In any case in which that Militia' 1 1 ,i'_`ei t o e i c e i berel ease d -' whe l i peace . shonid come, I was employed, it was not as the . Police, .but they . it as ant 'oat that man would seem! 7ttp -in the - were called in by tine law to assist the C iv il Power 14. t \ . 'Is a 1 .: ( 1 4 7 so. Every bock ,- Must feel that ; to keep the.peace—not as substitutes for, but in r ' a l ,, rt non of the whole spirit of the nri- aid of the Civil . Power... The. Right Hon. Baronet te e s e to , a ., ! e, ilii. , Keep thew embodied inn - a time of ! had said, ' that the a ff ections of the people of lee oit'lliq 't, when 'tone of the circumstances exist- i land were not to be preserved by force ; hut surely lei,'lteenititLstifietl.thir being called tout. If Go- i the Right Limo Baronet would not deny that other I t) il l (I N, 'ere 110.A7 to break faith wills the mi. 1 - means had been used - to gain the affections of the " iB.l eie ß te rlin g nicn might use it' as an argument ; people of Ireland ;' and it any proof were wanting, I' . " niter from entering into that:service in be need only refer to the geueroes aud liberal ,de- Dies 1 sre.! width s ti:kti boots tttankested to Olaf biotc interests in th a t . grea t m e as ure which had for - so many nights eti n craged theie attention, evett by tho'e who were the enemies of that measure. Lnrd G. C A V ENDISH s a id,. t h at there had been great mistakes about the Derbyshire regiment. It never' had reached the county of Derby in order to be disembodied, and had proceeded no further than Banbury. After a few explanations b e t ween different Gen,. tlemen that had spoken, Sir S. RoMILLY replied ) and the House divided— For the motion, 76—Against it, 179. RESOLUTIONS ON THE PRICE OF CORN. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER MOVedy that the Report of the ResOlutions relative to the Price of Corn he received, and that the Resoin [ions be read a first and second tune. Mr. CALCRAFT regretted, that what he con-. ceived to he an imperious duty, should compel him; in.the present exhausted state of the House, to trespass on their patience, by observations on a subject which had already Undergone so protracted a discussion. In his view, however, of the deep and extensive importance of that subject, and with the opinions which he entertained, he trust ed he should he excused, whilst he endeavoured to convince the House of what appearedlo him to be indisputably clear, that the protecting price named' in the Resolution waSgreater than was Warranted by the evidence contained in the Report. As tar as Ireland 'was concerned, indeed, he concurred with every Gentleman who had spoken in these debates, that it waS'most desirable to supply the wants of this -country from the produce of Ire- Jana, as far as was consistent with the troderate and reasonable price of our necessary subsistence. With this condition, h'e wished to see Irish culti - ration remunerated to the utmosi possible extent. There had been unfortunately but very little in formation produced by time Committee with regard to the expenses of time Irish grouter. Mr. Wake field was of opini on , th a t 70 s . wou ld he a suffi cient inducement. It was' to be recollected, that the climate of Ireland Was less- favourable, from its moisture, for the production of superior wheat, and that time .geeater part of her population sub sisted on a different kind alood. As far as related to England,he could find no one witness %vim o suggested more than 80s. and none so much,except on the sup position that rents, wages, and taxes were to re main the same; Some even on this assumption took a lower price than 80. Had those echo in troduced this measure shewu that the charges in question were to continue unaltered ; or rather (lid not tlp. House well know that time taxes were al‘eays lessened, that time price of labour was re duced, and that every article of exp - ence had be come cheaper ? It was• impossible he could wish to see the situation of the landed interest dete i iorated ; but was, it not obvious that when prices were universally falling, and taxes were already diminished, rents' also ought to experience some reduction ? H really thought some sacrifice of rent ought to be made by the land proprietors, and this he apprehended might be very well done without detriment to the revenue of the country. Dividing time gross prodnee of the farmer into font rents or the yearly value of 4001. he thought that each rent might, wider the present change of circumstances, bear.a deduction of 10 per cent. With this view he should subtract 10 per cent. from the protiosed regulation of 80s. and trove -as an amendment the substitution of 725. The the rcr . int.'Cil:::6l,lo.l6l, 11i reFi.oti had she yr% thins necessity of fixing it at 80s.; but his Rigirt Hon. Friend (Mr. Huskisson) had now stood forwqrcl as the. champion who should prove, that the f mer could not be protected under that sum. .1.4 (Mr: B.) 'had given great offence for spe:dzir.g plai-nly. upon the subject of rent ; but taking., at farmer AL 10001. a , -year, and lowering it to 5001. to say that he could not then afford to sell his corn eheaper, was complete sophistry. He thought the House : should touch the question of price•%vith as much delicacy as that of tent. There was no less than four out of the 16 witnesses that were - agrictiltivtists. who stated their opinion of . price under 805 , ., That sum was formed upon the. sup position that rent and taxes would contirn the stune:; .hut-if those charges were to be reduced, they. admitted that 80s. %vas beyond the rice Which was necessary to the •protection of the far mer.: He concluded with declaring, that he-would oppose the original Propositions in every stage of _proceeding: Mr. W. QUIN and Mr, P. CAItEY were in favour of the highest price. The question was then loudly and generally called for, and the Gallery %ri:s cleared. The divisiun was 15.4 to 55—Majority, OD. The Heise ,then adjourned at Three o'Clock this morning, AMERICAN PAPERS. GEORGIA , -MILLEDGEVILLE, 16. truth was, in his judgment, that not only had price's and taxes fallen in amount, lint the very effect of this sacrifice, by making Corn cheaper, must affect the prices of all other commodities_ If the price of Corn had not always regulated that of labour, it had been owing to our late unnatural and peculiar situation , both with regard toour currency and taxation. The landed interest would find no disadvantage in beholding a tranquil and content ed'peasantry—a pefiple satisfied with the conduct of the opuleut proprietors, and ascribing, if distress, arrived, the evil to bad crops and .unpropitious seasons ; not to the great or exorbitant rents paid by the tenant' to his landlord. It had been stated , that bread ought to be at a shilling the quartern loaf, when \ 5 /heat was at 80s. the quarter; and this had been made by 'an Hon. Gentleman a pro vision in an act of Parliament. But to speak legis latively and practically were different things, for at the present' moment, when the last average ..price was 645: the quartern loaf in London was only one farthing short of a shilling. The. pro posed rise of the regulation price from 635. to 80s. under all o he existing circumstances, he con sidered to be immense ;- it was at the rate of 33 per cent. Here the Hon. Member at some length. commented on the evidence of Mr. Mont, and others of thgwiinesses examined before-the Com mittee. He concluded by moving the insertion of • " 72 shillings instead of 80:" Mr. HtismssoN•contended, that it was unten abje to assume that the permanent Trice of corn would be as high as the prohibitory price, at whatever point this Was fixed. Our recent .expe rience of the operation of the law as it now stood, : ihewed 010 fallacy of this position. The protec, tion hitherto 'afforded had always come tardily, and foOn short, of the real price which could alone afford an adequate remuneration to the grower. It was not the rise of rents, but the in creased deinand, that created the necessity. The fall of rents would attend the fall of prices.— Rents could not rise by anyeombination of land lords in a communitfof 17 millions. He hoped to hear no more about monopoly. Proceed with the measnre, and if peace were permanent, the natural consequence would follow in the lowering cif rent. • Mr. ROSE adverted - to the evidence' respecting Ireland, which had stated 70s. as a protecting (hay., EAtract of a Letter from Major-General Mclntosh, to Gv• rerror Early, dated Camp Hope, Dec. 12. " MaiOE Dale arrived at Colonel Hawkin's last evening, brings the following intelligence Fifty or, sixty British vessels. have arrived at the Balize (month of the Mississipi) General Jackson bath marched for New •Orleans. The infantry from all quarters of this district wefe- marched iti die sante direction. Major Blue, of the 39th, with abont 15 -or 1600 mounted men, Choctaws, Chickesaws, and 'Creeks, were to march on the Ist inst.' for Apalachicola, in pursuit of the Red Sticks, and their allies." _ . Mr. W. SMITH argued very ably against the measurei and Mr. 1 3 vP.t. replied, stating that the production of Corn was the imainfacture of Ireland as much as the manufacture of Linen ; and every argument iu support of the latter would equally apply to time foimer. Ireland had a claim to our protection be yond any foreign country. We ought not to shut our doors on her, but afford her that protection which she had given to.us when we most required it. Mr. BARING would not trouble the House, at that late hour, with d word upon the general Fin ci /Hit :;111111, 0 2 to cif "Doc nr;nr. (let GEORGETOWN, DEC. 28.--;-In consequence •of the letter from General M'lntosh, published is the Georgot Ar gots, much real .solicitude exists for the fate Or NeW, Orleans. Supposing Jackson's army to have . heir in the Creek country at the date of M'lntosh's letter, he would have 400 miles to march before arriving at NeW Orleans— this distaoce he could not move in less than 30 or 35 days; so that he could not reach New Orleans before the 12th or 15th of January.. Should this happen, there is little hope of his Lein;* in sea son to save New Orleans. .No position within the United States is more capable of being defended at a smaller expellee and with a smaller force than New Orleans. The 4ispatches from Ghent by the John' Adams, reached Washington the Bth of October ; b i this ship information was received by Govern ment, that an expedition against New Or leans might - be expected. As the letter from M'lntosh reached Washington from the Creek Country in four .days, instructions sent from Washington after the news from Ghent might have reachedJackSon by the 22d Oct. by tvh ich,instead going against. Pensacola, which he invaded and took on the 7th NoveMber, he might have been ordered to march immediately fox New Orleans, where in this case he would have arrived about the 22d November, a week earlier the,n the ap pearanve of - tte enemy at the mouth of the 'Mis sissippi: But there is no reason to believe that any such orders were promptly dispatched; and here again, .as in the case of the attack upon Washingt - on; although Government was apprized . of the enemy's approach for. more than two months before his appearance, no seasonable or sufficient preparations were Made to resist and re,. Washington was taken, and the public esta blishinents'datroyed. New Orleans may now be in possessiOn of the enemy,' the difficulty to expel him fratri which will be tOund to be as great as to foree him from Castirte. Washington, Castine, New Orleans, with or• dinary vigour and foresight, might have been ef fectually defended--tlie fate of the former is known to•us ;L-that of the latter is all but despaired of. IVhen - and where are our disgraces to end ?.—(Fe deral *Republican). It is .rumoured, and generally believed, that the President on Friday, Dec. 16, made the following nominations' to the'Senate : Benjamin W. Crowinshield, of Massachusetts, to be Secretary of the Navy of the United States. Wm. Eustis. late Secretary at War, to be our Mi nister to' Holland.—Natidnal Intelligencer. RICHMOND i DEC. s.—An,express came at ten o'clock „last night, and brings the disagreeable news that the enemy were live mile* above (a. port of Virginia) Tappahannock, supposed to he 2500 streing.-600 men are detached, viz. 20J from this city, and 400 from the camp below. Another letter from Fredericksburg states, that the enemy, have burnt the Court-house, jail, Collector's Office, Clerk's Office, and a large Warehouse at Tappahannock, and carried off stock and negroeS to a large amount." IN THE DELAWARE.--All the British force bag left the Delaware, and gone to the Sout:iward.— It consisted of the Spencer, 74 ; Pactolus, and a tender. They-sent —oil shore 15 prisoners hnfrirs. c.1;1‘,.1