The Sun. — London, England, 1855-05-19 00:00:00

141 U ~ i, M A tt K E T AND C° VAIBROIA L - } Nl' ELL fa ENCE. ilia Th, advice CITY, Two O'CLOCK. s from St. Petersburgh . to the 10th to th e slate that the cost of conveying produce i• . Ge frontier for England had risen to 1.30. tild e Z ll 3, 7 there was a feeling of greater depression, *eat, classes were more severely experiencing the ID_ a aotfetltz more - Whether we could not further 'WO Would be 9is still the disputed . question, and it 'rail e d • W ell if more unanimity of opinion pre -044 in relation thereto. Messrs. Smith _a : nLl i t h e s' circular con tains th 0 fol lo wing paragraph . teatt " e Rtiselatis are dependent on their trade, and ntref the .' of their trade is with this country. Not one- et, fl o e_ ei ghti n et rtB , 6 f Great Britain are from Russia ; and P . 4 8"aia , ''''Y of our manufactures are taken by Russta. ° ln•st o ' e - i resPeets the raw maferial we obtain fromm ade ßussia, wit _ liti tt i a 8 are at present large; and was the b r used up h , We kin,phihited long.before these stocks could s e up ' l ell 6 .` °b tain Iron' our colonies and elsewhere plies .uj o ls f it rl, nele s or their substitutes, so as t o prevent any et art i ,? l ,.nee to our manufacturers . The apprehension re ire, lung is groundless. The trade with R l Russia bie rth , ,Lie knowledge and capital of our Ang o- is ilot ""a's to carry it on successfully, and there ut qr bi: 13ri "ll rairchant wbo would not rathei . on th e f,...ts'ight band than furnish a single shilling to carry ut i11p...., -4 n . e after it had b declared by the British Parhame d ~- 6 41 The bee' R ia on the other hap , dra t'ti l l 4 b e a fall rnse tre e 7o e u s ble to to zero '; the gold would au b ( e i hasa h . b 4t of the dominions, never to return—her nobles• -eo w ould be reduced o beggary, and the Czar would Rat nltielle4 to submit. It is admitted on all hands that the tili ) . aB s i b t ii at .res ent • . conducted, must be one of great dura tedaee':iillild the sYstem advocated by the probibit t i u on t i b st is s e 'llat ry t „1 °WY two years, this must be a . O , f , littl e 1 ' at least one hundred millions sterling— m to France - Ntls % I I; and permit us to add, the saving of the lives of . It .of ht, and beings." thml•lthtt often in comparatively quiet periods,. Il lateri al e e l3 ank of England accounts undergo such c a d ft h anges in one week as during the period . %lu ll , . 7 12th inst. unless the dividends are in NAV t° (3- payment ; ' and although it may be easy 9er t ' 111 some of the alterations, there is less lt h, 44l tY ill P m ay be -01 nMenting upon others. The bullion, 4 4tee b ,_ a .t °nee understood, has received its large • $l4 l . pition from the foreign imports, and the ~,..1 4 the m . ls t ec uats have fallen off in consequence imat 071eclance of money, which is also the 1 ) . 1 % 1)-0;,the unemployed notes accumulating. feut4 two gild' a decrease has occurred of more i,, Nip: a half millions in the Government 4 _'' kiwi-7)111d puzzle man) if it were not borne tli ' t nat the Bank frequently makes advances ' ll t h e erttie deticiency bills, and that Paid e p re ,,_ . nt upon I 'er: i ll eff f rom instance these have probably been lag t tl ,g reti e the the proceeds of the loan and the ac -'4 to ' l4l e) which otherwise must have contri q the 1 , , Bw ell the aggregate amount to the credit We ek, C le llequ c • d with the previous h e v . er. . owpare 44. arious items stand as follows rv e • clrelllation £19,919,335 th,.41 11 'Lease e .,. 'oa . .. 249,095. 16,045,20 i . IL, 1 1 ,,,. .......................... '''''t 'ease ......................... . . 425,982 N..... ...... h ti Itlere a , so b ehosit 29,350 ... 2,733.908 °tll k ereaa s e r / A __e 3,603,682 . 7 e Posits 12,205,207 lee .... ' eveb,b . tease ..... . - 440,444 Y and other Bills qo kere 62,396 °tl: eril b ill e lit6eee.t.l.l: &; ............... . . . 11,016,374 2,574,999 e 'See crease ~ 'titres .. Notes ii ue e e tn r ease ... 177,250 9,417.175 I• Pl°Yed 674,5 75 • ' th , eht erc i cr ease ....... . allg e e aY afternoon the rates for bills of ex -43 dim the principle continental cities were l i l`t i n tl atel,,, r arie, 90 days', was taken at 25 40 to o 4) and " r g at 13 7i to 8, Amsterdam at 12 Vi l le Trieste at 12 46 to W. N °II or ille iPle of working colleries by the assoc . it . - d tiutall bondholders seems to' be gaini c n p. to e4 te a 'id the London and Great Western__9,..l , r 4 4 4 4 P4t137 proposes, with a capital of6 o u c u o u in t .. ate?tie, ;with ~ properties in South Wales, of valtlB, ti t Cl WorkWi!'ll mines that are known. to 4 i ar ug firstly at a royalty t tead of incur top!aetioi,ge P r eliminary outlay for ins the purchase. tti: (l tot te d profits are large, and a right isr a e : - %tp `) cost very shareholder to purchase coals thet top Nay. 111 Proportion to . his ' l4 ta ' art important consideration w er a. i t n io te n re f s o t r l)v eh in large Dieter%tea 4t h 4Ve three days later advice . s from New York, met St. Louis. Foreign improve. h 4 , 4 cy „'ilrl the demand not l t like y o . products were was opinion was "‘eri "celiric r ai l ‘4i 4e ., leS were firm, way 110 4 oti the other side mSataxtiemsutmockpsr-aicensd. kli el 'hilw a ll(l3 had reachedth ti e la ir t favour owing to the ex ttrTell,:let t i, r , 4-11 ,e b° re ll t d u s rn w s e . re Money continued continued easy. 4i1 4% ' r e s r l( rliptey case at Melhouine notLeil yts il,lia / 4 ,, t ecl to Mr J. C. Byrne,. who . previously to ' ' 11(1 q a Natal emigration agent. tict °111 1)ea 13 ' as • s metals direct from ca ( I 'MS of tile precious ,00q ah, , 14 tql, the week to Thursday last were_ tut al ;.144,,,failver and 560 'of gold , cel lt. 4 ; l ',' 41 -40,, 1 ;?,e1t Market has been very buoy ; Ills* m'ao exe,ii"' % further advance of i to til 3 ? the (111Cental ih -..e11t tank return has been ma w in it ly Wooe„.",Peaitio„- P r oduci ng the rise, together h if e o 'l ha rela t°l4l Y, as usual, for the dividend. kli p re r c ount eell 9 0 to I for transfer, and 89i t , O l t r iliti ~,' The Uranium has risen to 14 an ; to • r‘ felier re ll . iii: ll ,e New3per Cents. are 891 t utti„ orei gH R "'• to 13s. pi emium. Itt 10 l t ° teAC' ° eks there is very little animation. 7? lower "al io n o fprofits by those whobought f , it o , ric e , „, 'IN -;- I v ,. ) 4.tirkish Bands are weaker, befog e.-tiad a : Aoxi e . 74tk 13 0 1 ,,d 44 are rather firmer, viz.,. 2 1 1 t. 81 - 1 • are a t h i , are dull at 7*. Danish 5 per 4, 11 2 h . 4 . 1) - e ", l -,i, and Sardinian are steady at 87 _, ' : -4 th 4t 4 -1 4 t Per Cents. have been dealt in at It Thee i ll I( '` Per °eta& at 924 4, being a slight 1(4 kto tL ge foli o ' t it eases, v v • 2 Nln'"•-•Q; ItI g are the nominal prices of foreign . 2 Dt t ) o 4l t o 2Tilada Deferred Boiids 7 to 7i ; it 4 , s 'ettt E , ,4-; Per uvian, 67 to 69 ; ditto Three IC Men- St4,' 43 . ) e t '' 49 • Portuguese Four per Cents., 1( .. i) -b ' ia, 'F• Ilit h ...'oq f an Five per Cents., * 41111 and er Cents., 87 to 89 ) ' ltl t :l l at ell t ' b.,eferred, 181 to 1811-; Ditto 3 per hil ot altai v : '',3i ; Ditto Certificates, 4 to 4 4 ; Ni._ e ja tonal) to 4, , %ktelraY idderable firmness in the market for ' 4 4 ,,,• Tb ar es, and the operations are to a fair . tAtIZIIo Le,:eanadian lines are firm generally, Vilisll‘4l.B4l. Antwerp and Rotterdam are 1 t o lti N er, l i'tli llall are Inactive A j. t Stock Bank s I ov e 3,4,, an u mu Lent 44eut previous quotations. Canada 1 4, k . e is fully i. per cent. better. t 'AI4 I 11 1310., Taver HIS DAY AT ONE 0' t • (24 cmt the Otricial Litt. , Moinesri done orficed Antruiti. e;tr B AnhAir -8 • 894 9 I tt 411 iti t. Allll • titl le' ' 9O es mire T ' **• tt:Jiu ems , • an., 1860— N klie, , l4( i e ki outi Al ' , re sth Ap r il, 1885 16i Illi tittl 'or ........ ............... kt 4 fit, .. May ............... 20 13 90 80 90 ...... . ... ............ ....................... 7 5 8 OF .................................. 8 e 1 ,11) 1 p oR . .................... 8 B MX FUNDS AT ONE O'CLOCK. Ile ls Its mein Per Cent ` t < „, 13 . **•••••• .... . 101 i bi t 'il t) i le erred , ,Per Cent: ...... ••• • • 1 4 11 4 , t„, Per Cent 4.1 t . 4 111,,t 1 10 Ai , • t rso ms , eoant ....... 7 O 'to t ,04,1 8 ' O 5 Per Cent ti, e ' A u Per cent . . 4 ila s ' e count % k -th, °lithe shove - eve payable in London rLiu .Per Cent. 12 Guil 63i eates4 TWO. O'CLOCK. i t t ) t % 0 ......... ........................ 90h 1 °tint 2112 - A ''G t INTELLIGENCE. 111 ( ro , . di ti , nt Ole Mining Journal of this day.)_ liettaqt,t„telq demn Lb' week has been for th h a /40ti.1e,, t e ,31 o,'tact, at all in _,,, (.0 _:(krahly i 041161 brie I late, a otwith.tami 1 Mine has 14(1 44re81 -- 18 t' les difficult to get, have iNNt4I%• ,114, are offered. Alfred Consols coveri: from , citNhied, and the shares are recover' g n. _ d, I ; t yc'resßiort. - United Mines have' bee , . Ificl ir u: t4 41 AP ' ...Jay jj • t - 1 although good improver cne to,,ti?,N at kv nl ` 8, ~i continue about the same 11,2t41.1 to price. healsoNritar!,6, ge c Consols took a sudden kt ltt, '. (1,1 3 P i tl the vveek, en .1 advanced to 21. i 11 t l th '' anal left if at 91 17' ae Atletthe 1, ." '-' • ' .. worth 1201. per 1 . , t _ e rt , T‘.ooe ni th e :10 ea•t is , 6,1. to 31 : t the ' f report il i t... last week t.1,1..1411.1er".ii. ibert, the di-cover r.-.1.-rre __ tin. level, 111141q1ari,41" 'ved, and the kde in the 3° a„d t ••vio --w, f)ii-,,,,,,• toward, S.wri Igi., is 6 It. wide, t i l le t m lQ taL; a larze- Lo.,iness has been done to the -ueshares,.., ' ft,liFhertriYi"g. from 261. to 28/. 10i. At Pen-y , 11 ` ett, I„` , ta f , ' o .le h aB i cut in a new part of the , 44.0 4 , 4;. ,, ,,, , ,t:er, , '4 th ()It% b ' ', , , •` or;; for lead. 'llilli4re the()lt% 44is.t a very large business has been . d s, , , m m e e , Ntieh4t ,ii,4.4(j)i a 1.4°0,1 demand fir sh 'res. , 14- AAo),,e,lll:2_rqt, in Which a;i improveine• t is T r t e u- porteti. tie . 0(4-1 n avt , been done as high as 501. . - ' 4 Veilelß4 kines, the market has been quiet, but ' " V I Y firm . ttl I N A fiti g of the CIETIEs CONSOLIDATIOIN of BUillin and ::::------------ BILL. 1,, t ,, ,„ i 4 Id tatiii i.,ll.it,bers and friends of Public Office, t,,tept tjha,,n,llnr,eif,ities ova` held :i t t i, re —A public resist, the hill now o t ti l. he iii,...,... rAday evening, , ,ta„,p duties 'I it,' Ole tt e ref CO tli liU itim, hopo-11, w __ a very 4 tte e ra of these societies. There 44 titl44oe, 611 ARE MARKETS (THIS DAY.) RAILWAYS. RAILWAYS. Imbg. Nottng. Bost and Bastn. Jnnet., Belfast 1 BallYrw.3ll,A. Birming. Wolverh Stour Valley 11,rkenhd. Lancsl, Cheshire Junet:.: Do. Chest'. di .£5O and V 25 Coy, Do., £20... i4tyth & Tyn s origins £25 (issd. at £45 3ristol and Exeter.. Oa] edonian Carmarthen and Ca , digan ....•... ;fleeter dr Holyhear , lork and Bandon _ _ Black, & Pao Cornwall ;rieff Junction )nbliu&BelfastJune Dundee Perth&Al, teen Junction.... Do. New. wast Anglian..... .. eastern Counties.. 'astern Union, A Stock Do., B. Stock Do., New A ~ ast Lancashire Kdinburgb d;Glasgov Edinb. and Peebles. Kdin.PrLfi '44T/undo , orth & Clyde Jun.. Purness . , o. Extension (ilasgow& S. %Watt:: west Northern._ Do., A. Stock B. Stock . )t. Sth. &West.(lre treat Western Jo Stour Val. Ra Gina. Stk rish South-Easteri & Carlis e Do., Thirds Do. New Thirds Twilleash.andYorke , II). Wst. Riding Tin f .iv:Craby.&Southpt ondon & Blackwat ;oad Bright, & S.Cst 'end, and West': Do, Fifths Sh. C Do, Eighths. isondon aud S. Westl £SU. Do. £4O Lndudrry& Coleraine Ltidndrri. & Ennisk. Waneh.She. Linehl Do. Shares, No. i to., Man. & Lin. Un Midland • )0. Elirwng. & Derb: 6. West. (Ire, ) Do. Half Shares Newcastle & Nwpt.Aberg & H Newry & Enniskiller. Newry Warrenpoint and kostrevor. ‘;orfolk tiOrtlin.Counties UL North British North Devon, No. 1 Do., No. 2 Do., A Deferred Do., R GuarAnt. 0 N. Eastern—Berwi , Do. do. Extension Dodo. N.B. Pure Leeds Do. York Vortb London Do. New £10..„. .&S. Wetrn.,Ham , stead, and City Jn 'Vert]. Staffordshire. North Western—, ` l . & S. Westin. Jim sr nil eaten Hinkle , and Leicester )xford, Worcester,/ Wolverhampton 'ortsmonth Scottish Central Scottish Midland -nropshire Union 4ontli Devon South Eastern 'ionth Walos Vrkgh. 4 Riv. Dni i)o 4 .taines, Wok. &W& 'Stockton k. Darlh: Sa:A.l,kten & Hartlap' 'faff Vale Do. £lO shares Do. Pref., No. 1 'Names flaven Docl and Railway Vale of Neath Waterfi. & Kilkam WaterforldiLimer.• I West Cornwall West End of Londoi: srna C,i7stal Palace West London. Nimbledn & Croydon elosint Pric' yesterd.ty 20 - 21 - 4i ... -- .. 84 - 8i 14 - 13 - 154 9 - 8 86 - 88 621 -63 i, 13i - 144 - 9 ~. .". •, 5 - 4 5i - 6i It - 15 114 -11 i 31 ••• 21 - - 23 73 75 '5 57 2d par 18 19 67 - 69 91)i -02 i 79 - 80 , 4 6 43 ' 5 66 66i ; 58 - 60 67 - 72 5 - 7 5 - 7 78i - :9 7i 8 - 100 100 1006 id id 1 A 834 8i ?if! 8 7Ai 25 -25 i 8 - 9 71 . - 41 - 43 11 - 9 2 49 - 51 29 . a 7 3 4 7 - 41 -- 3i 13k — 13 i 48 49 18 50 d - par - 5 t d - 27 - 29 45 47 124 61 62 28 - 29 5 - 3 3 - 1 36 - 38 IRi 10i - 4 - ..• 7 . - 8 Ei FOREIGN. Antworp&tiott •rdiun !selgian East'. June. Ileziers to Graissessa Bombay, Baroda,and Central 1 n(lia,Serip Central of Italy Demerara nn - Rb eni b .... Eastern of France no. New East Indian, g 5 p. c . Do Ey:ensiou Do. 4i p. c. Bds., pay '57, convertible Do. do. do., '59, do ad. Tk of CanadAA is Do. St. Lawrence & Atlantic do. Do. Cert. of T,eben., con. into Stk. till '63 )o. Comp. 6 p. c., do. Gt. Central of Frau (it. Whom Ponin4n) , guar_ 5 per cent.... I New 5 per cent Po. Extensions.... Great Luxembour Constituted Shares Do. Obligations...... Gt. Western of Caned Shares ... • . Do. Bds., payable's7, with option till '55. Do. do., '62, p. '56 Do. do., '76, p. '6O Do. do., '73, without option Hamilton & Toronto Do. 6 per cent. ..... l bake Const. & Basl. Lucca & Pistoj a 5 p., prof Lyons and Geneva Lyons & gediterrau viatiras Do. New Maria Antonia Do. do. New Namur & Liege (wit' interest) Do. (es interest).... Northern of France. D o .20/. Shs.late Char ►eroi and ErquelincE , guar. 311 p. c. & red. at 224/. dur. 88 yrs. from 1 Jan. 1854 Do. 201. 3 p. c Bde (fmy.B.&Ams.Shs. , NorwegianTrunkPre Paris and Lyons Ditto Bonds .... Paris and Orleans Paris and Rotten... t'arisCaen & Cherbrg. Rotten and Havre koyal Danish Royal Swedish Sambre and Menge. ibo. 5i p. cent. Pref. Scit.d.) Southern of France.. St. Andrew's and Quebec (A). West Flanders Do 54 per c. Pref Western of France_ Wee,. of Switzerland Wjsbaden Zealand JOINT-S 1 A astr.lasia British Colonial Bank and Loan Company Britiib N. American Chartd. Bank of Asia Buk. of India, A us tralia, & China donial Commercial of Lond. ,zcottisl, awl Australian Chart.. Land. Chars. bk. Australia ............. I )itto New......... . ... London and County.. London Joint Stock . Load. & Wirtminstei National Provincial 10 all of England Do. New Nationad of Ireland New South Wales Oriental Bank of Corporation Provincial of Ireland Do. New -40 10 Royal Australn.Bkg. (4,.V Tmp Co.. 4 .0n.t1i A , istrali:, Union „of Anatralia. Du. New tjoion of Loudon 7 i 28 ( 2a 4 3 - I P = 33$ - - 6 7 33$ 64 211 25 2k - 31' see ..1" ~ _ ... 7 - 17i - 18} 52 5 4 92 - 94 - 2 iP t tP -- 2 4 2t - 3 20 - 21 99 - 101 104 - 103 107 109 100 102 -22 i - 109 3 - - iP Ii 2 r) 7 2 - 3 - 35 - 351 13 - 13 .i 251 - 25 p : : 45 - i O 4 39 - 41 2 2 1 3 PI)1 3 - iP - 8 -Si -- • - 4 - 6, 18 fs BLNICS 80 -- 82 •.• ••• d par i id - • •• 17 18 20 ?r 1 4d par 32 - 34 40 - 42 ió - 72 7 9 Rustnevs don* this day. 100 it. 100 it. 10G 1.0 all t.. i .0 I 20 all St. 100 it. St 'OP _ .2 I all . 6i 7 >t. 3 4: 100 it. WO !O 16 10 54 1001 50 25 All 25 all St. , 00 25 all , A, 100 ? 2 , 213 I ) 8 J 0 7 20 a! 10 all t, I r A) 8 St. 4 4 , . -) St. nO , a it) all !O 1 • 2 ?,5 I a it. .1c 10 9 4,t. ► o 1,!; I all .0 I 5 ,O all LO 10 all 5 4 20 10 20 29.. ;0' to O all ;0 (0 !O all !O 10 Z 5 15 25 ,i 1 le I all - 5 I %111 t 4 all all . I 6 14b $ll o I to .0 I ill_ . all 0 I all io all 5 3 l(*) +i' I t ) all iO 1 16 8 all 0 al) O l 6 16 6 all all 86 63H 78i 9 8/ 100 f 100 4 look a 6 I 151 258 i i 711 i 30 29i RI 3311 x d 24i / 214 1 I 2i P 81 i 80i ••• THE sum, LONDON, SATT7RDAY EVENING; MAY 19 1855 LINES `ED p NIXED P,NTAL6. F MPE UIA PARLIA-MENT. RAILWAYS. Leming Companf yoterday. Hnsi , ess this day. Be;ifOrd and Bletchley Buckghamsb. Clydesdale .Te . Col. Stour Vy. Sud. and Hal. E. Lincoln gr. 6 per cent. Gilts. Barr. & Neils. Direct Do. New (41str.& Dn. Fr Irtlpl. Dk & Railway Hull & Selby Do. Shares. Do. T Shares. Lon.&Greenw Do: Preference Lon., Til., & S. Lowestoft gr. 4 per cent. Do. 6 per et. 'Vfanch. Bxtn. and Matlock Middlosbro' & Redcar Midld.Bradfd Newmarket Bury Exton Northern and Easternsp. c. Do. 6 per et. Do. Fixeds p Prost. & Wyre London & N. W,kt. L. &N. W. etion„ E. Un. E. C - 9 - 101 3t.Nrtir Oaldonian.l 134 - 126 Do 4t. Wee Yk. Neu & Ben% Y. SzN M Do. Do Lob los S. Easte 12}-- 13 . 23- - 24 11i - 11 Peto & Co Norfolk Do ..... ... - • L.& N.l l & Midld Stekton & Darling' . Aidland. 2i - 2i ••• • • 92 - 94 'En. Coun, par AP 57 59 E. Count Do Do L.& N. W &Ln&Yk Do Gt North , Laneash Yorksh. T. Brassey M. Helena ,itockt & Darlingt ? )o Do. Shrs. k Roystn.& Hit. Shef.Roth anG Gooleg.sp.e. Shrews. &Her S. Stailordsb Wear Valleygr 6 per cent Do 'Xilts&gomrst 130 - 133 . - 7i - 8 i 2f - :41_ 89 - 91, QtWestn PREFERENCE SHARES. Iberdeen Do. N 0.2, 7 p. c. itlyth and Tyne lOpei c. pref. (issd. at 50/ Brie. & Ex. 4 p. c. St Do. 4 p. c. Shares )aledonian £lO ribester & Holyhead Guar. 5i per cent Do. do. Pref. No. 2 Do. do. Pref. No. 2 Cork &Bandonsip.e Dun. Prth .& Aber. J E. Anglian Cie. ASh Do. do. C's. B 6 p. c. Do. do. Cls. C 7 p. c. Eastern Counties Ex tension, 5 p. c. No. Do. No. 2 Lk.. Now 6 p. c. St. East Tin., G. 6 p. c. Do. 51., 10 ner cent. Do. 10/. Delientr.Si.. Do. do. 4 per cent-. East. Lancash. 6 p. etB. P . W. York. J. sthc Ed. Prth.&Dun.4p.c. Fu-ne.s .4las. &5.W.G.5 P C. great Northn. 5 p c. Do. 5 p. c. Redeem., ).t 10 p. c. prom. 10. 4A p. e. DO 5 p.c. Scrip, Red. t 5 p. c. pin TOO - 102 ,87 -83 91 - 93 98 - 99 2i 34 bf -1 P -* . 1 3 -13 i 58 - 62 116 - 118 19 - 111 101 U,3 ip ,tt. N. of Scot. Ist Pr: It. S. & W. (Jr land Do. 4 per c. Pr;i. Qt Westn. (Berke Hants Ex. 5 p. c).. Do. con. red. 44 p.c. Do. con. red. 4 p. c Do. irred. 4 p.c. Do. Birm. Pref Sh . Do. Onester 8 p. Do. do. 5 p. c. do.. Do. Birm. Gua. Stk, Do. Ches. Gua. Sh.. Do. do. do ........ . Do. do. d 0...... ..... Lan. & York. F. £2r 00. 6 p. c. Stock ... Lon.&Brigh. G. 5 p.c. Do. Prof., 5 p. 0. St. ;)o. New Guar.6 p. c Do. do. 5 per c mt.. Lon.&N. W., Coy. 45 Nuneaton 5 p. ct Lon.& S. W. Con.3d Londy. &Co , er. Sh. Londy. & Ennis. 3 S Wan., Shef., & Lin. 6 Fa 97 99 88 !O 91 93 10 11 17— - 10 10! 72 74 191 —19 i 9 14} —14 i 1 :85 137 .• • • 24 - • 3 r New, £lo' no. £6., qttrypt.& Carl. 4 p c i ')o. 4i per cent 13k -13 ii - ti) rD o Aid. Consol.6 p.c S 1 . Do. Crinsol. Bristol 9 firm. 6 per cont 'Do. 4i p. c. Pref. St ) 0 . Pre t . 4A per tt • Do. 5/. Pr , f 4 p. c.. Ditto Leic ster and Hite en Pr f St. N(,rfolk Debenture Do. Pref. 4 p. c. Stok• Do. 5 p.c. Est of). 51 per ct. pref Do. Way. Val. 5.p. c North British V. E. Perw, 4 p.c P ,Do. do. do . . . Do Leeds 6 p.e c.N0.1 Dc. do. Quarters 4' Do. York li & •. P , r. North Staffordshire.. Oxford, Worcester.. Wolverh,Xls, fi p , Scot. Cont. ,New Pl,' South Devon Do. fixed, 44 per cell' S. Eastern (Readi Ann.) of £1 Os. Rd Do. 4i p . cant,.... S Wales G 114.4 p. c. Do. do. 4i p. c.... S.Yorksh.4p.e.Gtiar. Stock. & Dax., 5 p. c. Do. do. do. Stock. & flare'. g• i 7 p, c. till July 1, '56 tW _1 , 31 - fd. & Kilk.6pe; .• ••. - 138 96 -.7-- 98 $5 - 87 04 -It 6 93 - 100 91 - 93 31 - 3i "1 5 104 - 106 13 1 , 0 id Pa' ?,21 23 93 100 ... in —l7. f -- 2 p - 21 - 5 j 4 M t,ifd &Kil4.tipci - c% ~i , .1 MINES. 1 all Agua Fria ... .• .. i i • I 1 all Anglo Austrin. Gold ... ... ... 10s. all Anglo Californian ... i 1 ?,0 6 Australian 1 11 1 all Australian Cordillera .. - .. 1 all Ave Maria ' 1 all Baden (Gl.Dachy of -1; 1 50 all Blomarvon Iron and Coal . . 20 13.5 British Iron 4 6 35 26 Brazilianlmp.(issned at £5 pm.) - _.3 3 30 all Do. Cocaes & Cuiab 24 2i 20 15 Dn. St. John Del Res 31 —33 1 I Carson's Cm* 4 1 ; Clarendon Cons. Min Co. of Jamaica I it 40 all Cobre Copper 54 56 5 1 Colonial Gold i St. all Copper Min. o f En g 30 40 15 all Do. Pref. 74 p. cent 2d Far ... 16 Copiapo. 5 all English and Austin Copper Smeltg ( 1^ 1/ 11 2 1 Fortuna id il ) 20 all General.. l5 —l7 1 all Gt.NuggetVeinßcg. $ $ 4j all Great Polgooth. i— 1 1 all Liberty •.• 4 - t 3 all Linares. ................ 61 71 5 1 Lusitanian ............. —1 p 1 all M.a.riquita. ............. 1 all New Granada • 1 all New Linares Mining and Smelting Co ... ... 1 all Nouveau Monde — 20 all Pontgiband Silver Lead Min. & Smelt. 144 154 5 1 Port Philip i 1 all Quartz Rock A - I 50 all Rhymney iron l9 21 15 all Do. New 5 6 33 12i Santiago de Cuba 5l 6 1 all South Austzalian i 1 10 74 Tin Croft ............ . 2 3 I 28 , all United Mexican 6i 6i 1 all Waller ._ 11 I I all West Mariposa 1 12s. Worthing Mining of Australia . : .. L . 2.1 Vii , MISCELL AN EOUS. 25 ' 174 Australian Agricult. 31 33 32 10 all A iis: - ,raln. Royal Mail .. .. 10 7 Berlin Water Works 31 3 d 50 40 Brit. American Land ... ... 5 1 Brit. & Coln. Smeltg. and Reduction Co. ... ••. 100 321 Canada St. 100 Canada Gov. 6p. et, Jan. and July 101)1 1.1)1 1101 i 5 all Crystal Palace 34 31 31 6 4 Do. Prefe ueuer... I lip 4 all Crystal Pal. of Franc, ... . 1 Diiston Iron Ore ... ... 20 84 Eastern Steam — .. 25 22 Electric Telegraph 163 17!, 1 all Electric Tele g . of Jr ... ... 14 Gen. SteamNavigai ... ... a ll General Screw Stea m ... ... 141 20 20 10 Irisl, lleet;oot Sup - ... _ _ . 20 10 Magdale na st. Navi!. .. 10 all 'Jediteran. Elec. Tel ... _. in 9 NfoxitAn&S.A.ni er i on 61 7 10 2 t , O N. , ,w ... .. . 1 all Nat. Pat. Steam Fun: .. 10 5 Netherlands Land.... 1 11 11 2 .1 N. S. W. Coal & Inter. IStearn Navigat. Co .. ... 1 all N. P tristralasion... 1 1 1 / 20 15 Nrtli. t I E uro p eSt 3AIII . . - ... i ji. Peel Rr. Ld. & Ainrl. 1 3 50 all Peninsular& Oriental 60 62 50 10 Do. New ll4 12 2 all Portland Iron Co ll ,-- 14 100 60 :loyal Mail Steam I a ll Sca nt. Austral. Invest l4 —1/ 1 1 Dit‘' - o New I i 25 all Soot b A.ii.ltr , .l.l.an , i 384 - 39 1 all Sulam, Ar. Tel. Scrip 1 - 111 1 all : , •,, - -.1 , ,e.i 20 i Trust& L.Co.U.Can. ... ..... ..4 190 284 van Di emon'e Land 131 -13 i army; instead - of that expenditure being moved as at pre sent in three distinct estimates—one for the army, another for the Ordnance, and another for the Commissariat. It HOUSE O,F LORDS—(YESTERDAY.) is proposed to combine these three estimates in one, so that the House of Commons and the country may see at The LORD CIIieNCELLOa took his seat on the woolsack one view what is the whole military expenditure of the at five o'clock.country for the current year, from a statement drawn up in a simple form, and easily understood by ell. It s will - , The Earl of EGLINTON presented a petition against the grant to Maynooth. further be the duty of this ()ulcer, having conveyed the orders which he may receive from the Secretary of St a t e t o The Earl of DERBY p resen t e d a petition against the the different branches, tp see that those orders are revs total abolition of church rates. . lady - carried out, and, for that .purpose, each branch will Lori S - -ND YS presented a p_etifion from Great Yar- be called -on, to. keep a table, :and -to - enter- in it th e . raeletlaePrltYieg for a comprehensive measure efeldraini es_various Orders Which it may, reemve._ _A. up mate will be trative reform. -..-, . ' --- - --- kept in Ilie - office of 'the - Secretary ,of Stale; in-which he - The Marquis of LINSDOW&E presented a petition will-note the ordere issued upon particular' da•e - s; I by jtablesof the of church rates. - the various br a n c hes, he will be able, by a comparison with his own, to see at once the manner in which his THE VIENNA CONFERENCE. orders have been carried out, and where there has been Earl GREY gave notice that-he intended to_postpone delay or mal-execution, and thus will be able - to dO that the motion for which he had given notice for Ililotede? ' which is now found to be so difficult; that is, to elites, the next until the following Friday:: He - did this with great saddle on - the-right horse. These, are the chief duties which regret; bufit was to prevent the question being debated will appertain, to this new officer whom we propose to ap- _ in both houses the sam e even i ng that be had assented point;. and nose I come to the existing offices in the civil to the postponement of his motion. - admimstration of the Ordnance Department. I may say, my lords, that - when this new arrangement, comes into °pe a - ARMY REFORM'. ration, howeverthese offices are filled now, all re-appoint .. I will lbneotthe say head e xp , of r tui the e n t, different t,utra h terce branches, scheme—may CONSOLIDATION OF THE CIVIL DEPARTMENT S. ments will be made with the view of appointing the' best ' Lord PANMURE, in risin g , acco rding to notice, to make mn t a statement of a plan for th e conso lidation of, the civil de. have every chance of success. My-lords, there is one Office, partments of the army, said—l have now, with your lord- and only one, with regard to which ° I find any diffi ships' permission, to address myself toa question, or rather tufty in drawing the line of demarkation between the to make a statement most intimately connected with the military and civil departments, and that is the office of In administration of the affairs of the army; but I feel it is spector-General of Fortifications. As regards the planning' of fortifications and drawing up schemes of der VW,the impossible to refer to a military subject today without Inspector-General of Fortifications will be tinder the autho rity of the Commande-i-in-Chief; but, as regards superin saying one word of congrat u l a ti o n in connection with the scene which we have witnessed this morning upon the tending the buildings of fortifications, or the erection of parade of the Horse Guards. (Hear.) This is the first works of defence—that is to say, as far as regards the car occasion when the Sovereign, the fountain of all honours tying out thescia. contract, he mill be under the control ot - tne Secretary of State. Ido not anticipate that any in this country, has condescended to distribute those practical difficulty will arise from this arrangement, and, honours, not simply to men of high birth holding commis- indeed, Sir John Burgoyne, who tiow so unexceptionably sions in the army, but to the humblest soldier in her ser- fills the office of Inspector of Fortifications, foresees no diffi l( . vice who has shed his blood in defence of her Crown and tuft y in continuing t which is proposet o h re . n render his valuable l m se a re y i a c t e a s t u e, n m de y r of the country—in defence of her honour and of the the new arrangement lords, that lam now dealing with a class of officers who honour of the land which gave him birth. It must have must, for the public convenience, have offices in London, been a gratifying sight to your lordships to witness so and, if possible — and I hope that in a short time it may many brave and distinguished men receive these honours be so—under the same roof as the Secretary of State. to the Director-General of Artillery. at the hands of their Sovereign, and I trust that this will Inow come At present that officer is appointed by the master-General be a solitary instance of such a- glorious scene, and of the Ordnance. The duty.of the Director-General will that it will have the effect of inspiriting the youth of this be to advise the Secretary of State for War in all matters country to come forward and enter into a service in which connected with the materiel of the artillery department. they, too, may distinguish themselves and receive similar The Director -General decides as to the mode of arming all, rewards to those - which have been bestowed to-day. With works which are erected by the Inspector-General of For - ' tifications. He has to inform himself as to the number, these few remarks, I now proceed to make the statement n of which I gave notice, in the first instance, for Monday nature, and condition of all guns, mounted and unmounted, last. My lords, lam uot eorry that the delay which has in charge of the Artillery, in all parts of her Majesty's dominions. That officer is ex officio president of what is Unavoidably stirren hasiaken place, although I am . quite called the " Scientific Committee," and he superintends prepared to make that statement on Monday. The the introduction of all changes. and improvements in the changes which I am about to submit to your lordships are not of a character which require tha interference of any materiel of the arsenal. Hie office, therefore, must be legislative act, but I think it would be only respectful close to that of the Secretary of State, because, upon all matters relating to the materiel of the artillery, he to your lordships and the country that no material changes must give the Secretary geueral advice. The next of should take place in the administration of the army those high offices is a new one in connexion with the which are not plainly—at least as plainly as I can state them—laid Ordnance. Inasmuch as the navy makes great demands in detail before your lordships, with a full ex- for stores upon the Ordnance' Department, it has al planation as to the manner in which they are to be made, and the effect they will produce. In dealing with this ways been thought necessary to have a naval officer subject connected with the Oninance for the purpose of giving , I must, in the first place, guard myself by saying advice in all matters relating to navalgunnery. At present that I have no intention whatever of reflecting in the the officer who holds that appointment is Sir T. Hastings. smallest degree, either upon the official character, or upon I propose in future to place the naval officer in connexion the official zeal and exertions of any officer connected with with the Di rec t or -G enera l o f A r till er y, an d h e w ill b e that department to which it is my purpose now to allude. called the Naval Director of Artillery. He will be charged I' mean to deal with the system, and, if I complain of any. with superintending all the improvements which may be thing, it is the working of the system ; it is not the officers introduced into the naval gunnery of the country. He will who have had the conduct of that system, which they could there be in a position to make his voice effectually heard neither alter nor amend. Nor do I propose to find fault in all questions of arms, and in all suggestions that may with mere routine. I perfectly agree with the noble earl be made for improvements in those matters. He will also opposite who spoke the other night (the Earl of Darby), make himself generally .acquainted with all the different that no public, no official - business could be conducted n stores which may be under -the charge of the Ordnance. this country with i out routine. A well regulated routine mud he will be in immediate communication with the Ads advances public business as much as an ill regulated routine miralty, so that no time ma be lost in equipping ships, rase, Is it. (Hear.) Without, therefore , a simple and well when the hour arrives for their equipment, with such regulate I routine in all our official departments, we should materials as may be furnished from the Ordnance. It have confusion instead of that simplicity which is desir is essentially necessary that that officer should be a mem able, and which is one of the chief objects in the transac bar of the Scientific Committee, and be will be ex tion of all business. My objection to the system of the offic i o a mem b er accordingy. The next office to which Board of Ordnance is, I am afraid, not confiead to myself I shall allude is that of the superintendent of stores, individually. During the six years in which I had the which is, in my opinion, entirely a civil, office. Although honour of holding the office of Secretary at War I was those stores may and do consist of articles for the military accustomed to hear such objections, and I found during service, yet I conceive that very great benefit will be de that period that the delays which occurred in the Ord rived from placing at the head of the storeeeeper s depart- Hance Department—though no faul whatever of the went one who is thoroughly acquainted with the elassifi officers of the Baird or of the other officers connected with cation of stores, with the mode of receiving them, with teat department—l say I foun I that the inconveniences their custody, with the manner of keeping accounts, with which arose and the delays which occurred in that tic the system of issue upon mercantile principles, and also partment were great obstructions; in the way of the with that of which I am afraid many military storekeepers military administration. Every commission that has in: are entirely ignorant—namely, the mode of taking stock quired inte the administration of the army has made eel upon approved commercial principles. I remember being marks to the same effect. Committees of the House of upon a committee of the House of Commons when the n q h u a i v r e e d alsol nt o come question was asked, whether wo had any thorough and e ar t m o y th a e nd sa t m h e e perfect knowledge of the amount of military stores Ordnance Commons administration which h conclusion ;and yet, my lords, no Government has up which were in the different storehouses belonging to to this moment undertaken to adopt any system by which this country at home and abroad. The answer was, that the administration of the Ordnance Department might be avei amended or improved. It appears to me , then, that the it would be extremely difficult to ascertain the amount ; and, upon the question being put whether it would general opinion is that something ought to be clone to aim- not be perfectly easy to take stock of the stores, the piify the civil administration of the army. But a goes answer was, that it would be almost impossible. I think tion arises as to whether the present is a convenient time th it that is a branch of the service which ought to be con fer making any large or extensive changes in our military ducted upon the most approved commercial principles. It administration. It has been hinted, if it has not been will be the duty of the storekeeper to have a thorough broadly stated, that during a period of war changes to any knowledge of the mode in which the business of his depart extent in the administration of a war department would went is carried on. .He will have a great number of be likely to prove inconvenient and to interfere with the deputies under him, and he must from time to time, by conduct of the war. Now, I confess Ido not share that persopal inspection or otherwise, ascertain the manner in opinion. It appears to me that if improvements can be which his deputies at the different-stations are conducting made in any department, more especially in one connected h i s b us i ness, an d h e w ill b e respons ibl e t o the. Secretary of with military administration, there is no time when it is State for the entire conduct of the storekeeping depart so incumbent on 118 to make that improvement as the meat of the Ordnance. This is a department of no small period in which it may be most beneficial and effective importance, and your lordships may focus some estimate of And; having satisfied ourselves that by the changes its extent when I state that theme are at present no fewer which we propose, no interruption will occur in the than 90 storekeepers, with salaries varying from 13(3, to military serviee, that the supply of all the materiel of war 803/. I hope that vr© may be able very considerably to le will continue, w th, perhaps, limn speed and more accu mince that number of storekeepers. The next officer is one racy, while that materiel will be fully as good in quality ; whose duties are almost entirely distinct from the Board of having satisfied ourselves that no diEmulties will arise out Ordnance, namely, the superintendent of contracts. Ido of the various changes which are proposed, her Majesty's not know with what truth it is asserted, but I. hat e always Government have resolved to make those changes with as heard it insinuated, that the contract system of the Ord little delay as possible Itis proi3osed, in the first place, - nance has not hitherto possessed the confisience of the emu to abolish the INfaster-Genera. l ard the Board of Ordnance, i w e l f ic k h ie r ry ist v , I n t r tb , rs andit country.h mercial world ; and I think that I might, if so disposed, cite instances in which it had not worked well for the purpose. altogether. It is quite -true that the Board of Ordnance and the office of blaster-General. is, perh . aps, one of the I have heard it stated that under the present system many of the roost respectable business firms in the country have m t iri l i :r i Fe ee s u t t i ms lshment of the State a far declined to enter into competition, said to make tenders when contracts have been put out by the Ortinanco for higher rank and distinction than of late years it has been articles which they might have supplied. It is not my in acustomed to bold. The Master General and members of tention to inquiry how that state of things has arisen; but borne otorhsniten ancient in the e t d n h a t e t dates n st i l o b i the board hold their appointments by letters patent un the remedy seems to be to establish a branch which shall der the Crown, and, therefore, no other step is necessary have the superintendence of the whole of the public contracts than for her ajesty to dictate a !evocation of those let made for the armyor the Ordnance. That is another branch tens patent, upon which the Master - General a nd the whole which is purely of a commercial character; and I propose Board of Ordnance cease to have any existence. The only to place at the head of it as good a,coinrnetet l gentleman as IShall be able to find for that purpose, who has the eon liament will be required to ren ler, assistance is to enablewho will be, I fidence of the commercial world, andhope, question arising out of this proposed change in which Par in the Board of Ordnance under an act of Par that vested . . emphatically a " right man in a right place." The duty of the Secretary of State to hold the lands which are at pre into the other that officer will be, as I have stated, to make all contracts. liament, which will be introduced shortly He will not interfere with the execution of those contracts, house. Now, the Master-General and the board being but he will have to enforce their fulfilment, and to take abolished, it becomes necessary to d eal with the whole any measures that may be necessary to effect that object. establishment conuected with the Ordna nce. Your lord- I now come to another department with which it is abso sh ip s are aware that this consists of two d e p artments —one lutely necessary that the Secretary of Sta te s hou l d have • relating to matters which are purely military, and the immediate communication—l mean that which is to super other to matters of purely a civil character. The matters intend the clothing of the army. There is `no department, which are purely military are the com mands of the Rio it s yat . in my opinion, in which it is more essentially necessary to Artillery and of the Royal Engineers. These comment take steps to secure a proper administration than in the is proposed to vest in the Commander-in -Chief , f the army. furnishing of clothing to the army. Until within the last I have never yet been able to understand why the Co h m e m eh a t u e - f year or two the clothing of the cavalry and infantry was der-in-Chief of her Majesty's troops should not have t furnished by the respective colonels of regiments. There e arose a very general objection to that _system; indeed, it cavalry and infantry. (Hear.) There can be e Ef, Very relieved so general that two years ago the Secretary at War relieved the colonels from the duty and responsibility of command th e t fro fe a r s well of t the e f theoom command Artillery eorfy the ed Artillery noes lerydit a e s i uoift thein t int-Qu clothing the regiments, and took that responsibility upon there is a Deputy Adjutant-General and an belonging Qua- the Government. That may have been a very proper ter-Master-General, entirely and exclusively neers to the Commander-in-Chief, because in the e Artillery g o of arrangement, but I do not believe that it will be found that force, who can conduct the military administrationer. altogether a profitable one for the public. It certainly by the Mass 2 c l o thi ngtchl sa m e i disadvantages) ti t sh i e lll fiur e r , tne tt igs l i s hn l e s n O tb ie wthheicaho Nvveirlin mnoetu t . will be more convenient for the colonels, but there were exactly in the saute manner as it was conducted there is a that branch of the service under that Cotumand in -Chief, ter-General of the Ordnance. In the same way, mm many advantages (although there might have been at communicating his orders ti-sacc rue i n o t n h e whenthe 0 colonels tnthehel the it the orders of withDepu the , 1 3 %.1j ut Commanderant- G c . t o u r a . e l o n f i Engineers ef nou d who, eonr e c y o that corps precisely as he now conveys to. hand, there are, no doubt, advantages which will result which did not arise under the old system. In the new Governments who. from the clothing being undertaken by the Government, arrangement, I propose to constitute a superintendent of member of the th te hl a s opportunity, ter-Oen e r atin.. dealing u withwould i b e t w h r e o wrong in me it tf isl otmembershmeitetoeoodf the Ordnance, of stating to your lordships current opinion of every officer as e ell as of clothing.' The effect of this appointment will be to do meritori s occupation, and they will be of no use, to the public after that who have taken away with_ the board of general officers. They will have no o v wither ne i r e o [ l , o w a and Rossof oatnhder SirG oevvjee.rnry Burgoyne in now un tf orm system ean s n h e a 1 l a d b o e pt ed brought ,or in altered,topr practice. i t c n e . a n y N w o apya deviatedtterns of h t h h ea e rv i eM r m haja i ed li s t tt a ye r 'sd y eG capacity, that t woofficers 171(1 account of their scientific knowledge, signified through the proper authority—and in future that vice over which they have presided, never hich the artillery upon Sir He bore her Ma proper authority will be the Secretary of State. In from, except by the express command of the Sovereign, greater pains to bring to perfection these a branches of the seer accordance with such command, Patterns will be sealed jesty's commission. The manner in w The an ndi With o t m h e m atd fitted of t o such the professional custotl y e a th ss e ist c a l n ot c h e in a g s d h i. e r e tor. may was forwarded to the seat of war conferred Ross the highest possible character, an and stamped ell o one has conducte w d s i ommotinrit.. m Tl: trntiwilegehosf rare John ( B n u n rg e y operations as chief of the engineer department is equally choose to call in, it will be the duty of the clothing direc of the a rce tor, as the head of this department, to insp e ct a ll lth well worthy of my humble testimony, and My pp . C 0 - tion of your lordships and of the country. lords, I ing materials before they are made u for the purposes have felt that I could not touch upon this branch of the of the army ; and it will also be his & p t. t, • be responsible for, all clothing afterly to ins and subject without making references to the been services of these a m il an o n ffi e c r e , r al o s f o, a two distinguished officers, who have the means of furnished, to see that it is properly packed, and, where of cessary, duly shipped, so that it may be delivered at e t n he bringing the artillery and engineer departments l the army to their present state of perfection ;but now will pass proper time to those regiments, both at home and abroad, to the civil branch of the Ordnance Department. The civil which are entitled to receive it. It may take some little branch of that departments consists, as your lordships are time to get into working order, but I have no doubt that aware, of the Master-Geneial of the Ordnance, who is not the duties of this officer being efficiently fulfilled, the re- 1 - a member of the board, but who is supreme over the suit will be a system of clothing which will insure regula whole department, and wile cancanapprove or disapprove the rity of delivery, and uniformity of pattern, throughout the actions of the beard ;he also order the expenditure whole army, while it will enable us meter' allto • 1 imrove the quality of the clothing, and thus remedy anevilwhich of carry on the business of the department, . . of any money but all financial measures which he may order must be has often been the subject of complaint. That is one mat carried out by officers of the beam. The next member is ter to which the superintendent of clothing ought imme therdnane • diately to direct his attention, for no man can the Lieutenant-General of e, an office which . . , this look at was formerly abolished, and was only renewed upon the the clothing of our soldiers in country without i General, Lord Raglan, being at once struck with the very inferior nature departure of the Maste - in to assume the field; of the material of which it is composed, and the command of the army and then come the which of therenders it liable not only to wear out - Surveyor-General, the Clerk th Ordnance, and the sooner than principal storekeeper: These four o me form the Board better clothing would, but causes the soldier to suffer far and I will now proceed to state to your lord- o f Ordnance, than is necessaryfrom the more ships what are the duties which these officers are called Those are the branches of the departments which it appears The duties of the Master-General,to me it is essentially necessary shouldsit, Ifpossible, as un stated to perform. selectcommittee,der the same roof with the Secretary of State—with stated in the report of a are, in a civil t whose transactions be should be a, • capaci , 'ty to take entire control over the whole department. esteem . ed s because, if inti- He has the power of doing any act on his own authority' ma ey t I acquainted w • tl th 1 1 em, having a general eye over diture of money for their operations through th • 1 fli -- - can order the exp in e the purpose . o cyst is, cers with whom he is anddepartment, but that expenditure must be carried a the communicationhe will in , be enabled to see whether all the out by the officers of the board. The Lieutenant-Gee duties are properly performed, and he will be enabled time when the Master-General is present in without much dif f iculty, whether in time of war or in neral, at a but in his absence he time of peace, to carry on the • • this country, has no active office, . o.euera ly i over the whole business of the board, army with something like a unity of purpose. There are, E'es.7earti of the Ordnance is the financial member of the however, certain other departments which, though some board RD ,lit is his dut y to p repare the est imates of the what of a militar y charact er , are also of a civil na ture, ' money require( • i fortheserviceef thetlepartnient, and to l a y in as much as they are more or l ess manu facturing de them before Parliament, and generally to control and super- partments. In m o i • y p as they are departments of intend the expenditure of the whole department. The prin- manufacture, they ought to be under the civil contrcl cipal storekeeper, as his Ctle implies, has the care of the of the Secretary of State, who is respomdble to the itutnense mil itary stores of this country,' of all the ordnance country that the articles they manufacture are not in ition and, in • ages, arms, and amun , fact, he appears to carte , ferior in quality or pattern, or deficient in quantity tue to be the officer of the greatest importance attached to for the use and service of the country. My lords, all these Boardof Ordaance. These are the superior officers at pre he position they do at departments will coutinue t i hold the , b,, er .. t sent constituting the Board of Ordnance. Now, my lords, it present at Woolwich, or Enfield, as the case mop be. i _, c , e r i e t e n is proposed, to abolish as I have stated, that board altogether, regard to Woolwich, the first officer to %%lpnn w ___ -L!el called and this is the arrangement which we propose to adopt. your lordships' attention, is au officer who ill Secretary of State for War • We propose that the i . shall have the Superintendent of Ordnance. This officer, in the first the supreme dii ection of and be responsible for the adeninis- .place, has charge,and will continue to have charge, of the as tration of all the business'of the department. Weproposo to manufacture of all brass ordnance. He is also charged with shell received into the place under the Secretary of State, for the purpose of carryingthat all the guns shot, and seeing out his ends and instruction, a chief civil officer The duties of that officer will be to receive all orders with respect to the civil administration of the army from the Secretary of State to convey those orders to the heads of the different service are constructed according ig adapted to the service for which also have the proof keep a correct account o of all ordnance, l'e to the pattern, and they are required. He will and will be required to of all ordnance which passes through d hen it 1 branches, and to apportion them among the members of the his hands, of the persons to whom lie delivers it, the had of over to the army. He will be at I Administration. It is further proposed that this officer wa a branch delivered the Arsenal of the manufacture of ordnanc t e . at ns there, shall be a member of the e llouse of Commons, that he shall but tahWoolwich, and will carry on his p r hi e ch e h a as ie hitherto been then be responsible for all returns relating to the civil ad- under a different systsm to that which I ministratiou of the army, and that it shall be his duty to move urs tied. All these departments, my o , l rds are entirely ' in one combined estimate the whole expenditure of . the P • jlOO 000 9 21 10 all 2 1100 1100 0 St. 20 !lOC' 100 104 all all 1100 1 100 10u 100 100 101, 5 ‘ll 1O 100 100 100 St. 1 If; 5 St. iOO 100 00 00 8J 25 10 ..0 all xll 14 :►1? it pm 1021 , s under mililary arrangements, and their officers are amen- ' for any - Government to have the Master-General-of the able to the military authority and subject to militarydis-- Ordnance in the Cabinet. The Duke of -Wellington w cipline. The officer who has charge of this department is uniformly the honest adviser of all Ministers—(lrear)—brit - a • a military officer, and it is intended to continue in the the position of affairs is now very different, andl do think 's charge of this and other departments the most efficient that to take from the Government the power of kering any. officers that are to be found in the ranks, of the Royal Ar- military friend- of their own, whatever his authority tillery ; but, in order that they may be enabled to direct in the Cabi ne t , t o ad i ise with confidentially, as has been a ri-,.a. , their attention entirely to the duties of the departments the case under s ell circumstances in former times , will be a -.. over which they shall have charge, I .propose that they very great -loss to the public. •It is impossible' that the shall be s econ d e d f ro m their regiments for a period _of five Government Should not- on 'Many occasions have derftrAld a s years, and a ft er th a t, if it i s no t thought necessary to con- great advantage from the assistance of the late Lord Angle tinue them as the leads of those departments over which' - , • sastaisirrireraT - the teabinetrb - ut now in what a Posi they may - have had charge, they shall resume th e i r position ,tl29 a - e v f, i r u eint's PoisaLof tire - noble - load Dice _the .GOvern in the regiments in the -same-manner es _ eagineers• taken Pac d rilroposee - to-aliolialithe office of Master-General irom-the Artillery for civil service are treated at present:, asi the Ordnance. , The Secretarjr at War and the Clerk of Thiel will relieve those officers from the immediate control the Ordnance are civilians. The Minister for War will of, their commanding officer, and at the same time leave usually be a civilian : Indeed it would be a . very great ads them in their proraer position in the regiment wis heat loss of vantage to the public if any military man should be in a the Minister for War promotion or tank, while it will rocure' for the civil per- position to bold the - office. (Hear bean) We must, willjgenerally be a civilian. In the officio. of the Minister how tion of the War Department the services of officers of the ;ever, look hi the probaeiiit y • th at ' greatest energy to conduct the businese of those depart is to_deal ments over which they may be placed.'• - The next officer for War- will direct not only the movements of the is the superintendeat of -.the :carriage' departments - . which ray, but who, under the.proposed alterations, is a department now existing. This s officer will be.eharged wltirall the setentiffe - detiflas which - are called civil, but with the construction of - all inn carliagessfor tlie-riaarY as which areratiellftiallitary—there Will not be, therefore, well - as army, of wa ggo ns for "ammuniti on-find Laid trans. - one military mail, tutor svill the - ueble lord . have the port a of ambulances for- the sick, and • all military ma- means of bringing to his side' any one m ilit ary .man in chines. This includ es a large manufacture of iron work E 3 whoin he has confidence. No doubt military men will most well as of wood. This officer 'will also have to secoial, in i willingly giie him their adtiee on ell occasions when they the same way, for a period of five years during which he ' may ba asked to do so, brit he cannut be in Abe habit of is at the head of the departm en t— W h en he may be changed, daily con fi dential communication with a military anan in • though this is not absolutely necessary, and may return to --setionrhe has - confidences and whose advice might be most his regiment without the loss of promotion or rank in the valuable in enabling him.te coaductsatisfaetorili the busi service. The next officer is tle superintendent of the labora- tress of his office. I think this will not only be a gieat loss tory. This officer will be charged with thepreparation of tun- to the individual minister, bat that it will also be i seriou munition for every species of arm; likedese cf all combasti- loss to the public. Many of the alterations which are sug. ble material and pyrotechnic composition for the army and gested by the noble lord may be improvements, but expe navy. The next officer to whom I shall refer is the superin- rience only can show whether they are improvements or tendent of small arras, who is not confined to Woolwich, as not. I have thought it right to state those objections which your lordships are aware that there is erect e d, or almost seem to me to apply practically to a material part of the finished, at Enfield, a Government manufactory of small general scheme of the Government, and I hope the noble arms, which, though it will not at present supply the army lord, if he can do so, will place upon the table a memeran. to the extent it may require, will, at all events, enable the dam showing at one view all the alterations whi - ch it is ins Government, in time of peace, to accumulate a sufficient tended to carry into effect. store to supply th e arm y h erea ft er i n ti me o f war. T his officer will be ch arge d w ith th e d u t y o f th e cons t ruc ti on of Earl GREY —I quite concur with the noble earl in the such small arms as are manu f ac t ure d b y th e G overnment ; great ad vantage of having such a memorandum prepared with the inspection of all small arms furnished by contract, and laid before the house, but I would go a little further. to understandi and be responsible for their p roo f an d th e i r corres p on d ence My reason•for not entering into the discussion to-night is be with pattern. Your lordships will perceive that the du- cause I think it quite ties which this officer will have to perform are of a very rea ll y able teoliismpscohsseimbleii, whichfor any is of 9n y e on o r f lo rdships important character, and it- is proposed to place at thewider .greater detail • head of that department an officer of the Royal Artillery, com plication, Without having it before you in much to second in the same way. There is one other depart- than is the case at present. I agree with the went only to which I have now to advert. It i s a very noble earl that it is very fortunate it is not necessary to important one, and is now connected with theßoyal La- carry a measure through Parlianient boratory ; but I think the duties are so extensive, and much better done by the the future administration of the army. I think this may be in order to regulatis performed altogether so distant from Woolwich, that it authority explaini ng transfe r s hould all the property manufacture, now conducted at Waltham Abbey. The which is now vested by Master-General of the Ordnance to f Parliament in the officer who will take charge of that department will natu think, however, it is very desirable thnaetirthaeuthorities. I rally reside at or near Waltham Abbey, where the Govern ment mills are. He will,also be responsible-- fey receiving meats should be made by the C rown ; but although arr a ih nge* are made by the Crown, I hope the thatll b b? di to and proving all gunpowder made by contract -for the Go yernmenie He will also be responsible for the quality and some formal document. I conceive it L e ad carry into effect measures of this kind in a ver vis‘ f l:ble purity of the sa'tpetrelo be issued for the manufacture _of gunpowder. He will also be responsible for a duty not at mode, and I hope 'that; either by new letters pateiit o e r b a y l present belonging to that department—l mean the re- orders in Council, or by some equivalent document of well stoving of gunpowder, which appears to me to be essenti- known and formal authority, the respective duties of the ally a duty attaching to the officer haying charge of the different officers who are to be appointed under the new manufacture of gunpowder. He will also be an o ffi cer of arrangement will be clearly defined and that such docu. the Royal Artillery, selected on account of his fitness for meat will be laid before Parliament'. (Hear.) I took th e the office; 'and the whole of the five officers I have men- liberty of mentioning some time ago that, in my opinion, Cloned will, under the officer at the head of the civil the great mistake made last year, when the offices of S e a administration, conduct the business of the several de- cretary for War and the Colonies were divided, was in not onThe manufacturing business will be carried having a minute of this kind prepared by her Majesty in on upon the manufacturing principles adopted in this Council—(bear)—in which the new arrangements for the commercial country, and I hope with economy, regu- transaction of business might have been clearly defined. In larity, and success. Now, the only other point to the hope that acme document will eventually be laid before which I need refer is a question which has been Parliament, and that we shall then be able to form a better asked, and may be asked again—lf we -have a civil officer opinion than we can at present of the plan which has been representing these offices, what will the Under Secretary described to us, I shall forbear on the p resen t occas i on front have to do ? My answer is simply that the duties of the going further into this discussion beyond saying a single officer who will have the charge of the civil administration word or two. Upon one point I quite concur with the noble of the army will be so multifarious that there will be plenty earl opposite. I cannot help fearing that, by the arrange.. of work for the Under-Secretary of State to do, in answer- went which is proposed, too great a mass of business of de. ing in the absence of-his chief for all such points of the tail will be thrown upon the Secretary of State. No man political administration of the War Department as he may holds more strongly than Ido the necessity of authority, be responsible for—matters connected with the discipline but a concentration of authority is perfectly compatible, of the army and with the movement of troops. When I under proper arrangements, with the due division of las held the office of Secretary at War 99 out of every 10) bout, and, as far as I understand the scheme, Ido not think ' questions in the House of Commons affected points of mili- it provides for any concentration of authority. I cantinas tary discipline, the movements of troops, and matters of of the opinion I have formerly expressed, that with re. that description, rather than financial matters more imme-, gard to business of this ki n d, i nvo l v i ng a grea t man y de diately connected with the duties of th e o ffi ce . I appre- tails, no organisation is so good as that of a board ; and I bend, therefore, there - will at least at present be room for quite concur with the noble earl there should be a chief of both these officers, and I do not propose to dispense with the board, whose opinions should be unquestionable by the the Under-Secretary of State iu the House of Com- subordinate members and who should hve authority to mons, although we make ' a new offi cer , or ra th er carry into effect his o wn opinions. I be lie ve, practically,. charge an old officer with new duties. Such, my .every First Lord of the Admiralty, who is competent to lords, is the scheme which, after careful consid era ti on , I- perform the duties of the office, is Fi rs t L or d t o th a t ex have laid before your lordships. Ido not pretend to say tent, and I cannot give a better illustration than by quot that it is perfect, but it will by daily operation work itself ing the well-known axiom of the late Lord Spencer as to into smooth gear. My object is to infuse into our busi- the mode of . carrying on business at a board. Lord nes3 transactions the spirit of commercial activity and Spencer said—" I tell my subordinates that, if they can acuteness, and into our operative departments the sound not work with me, and carry my views into effect, I principles and common-sense practice of the manufacturing mast have a new board." (Laughter.). If each mem distrists—so to arrange all branches that one Mind may ber of a board is to be standing upon his own opinion, pervade the whole machine, and at the same time be kept it is perfectly obvious the business must come to a dead clear of all the small details of its varied operation. The e lock. You must have concentration of authority, and may be some little trouble, some little asperities at first ; j c a nnot help fearing that, while a groat mass of details but these will soon pass away, and, with whatever feeling i s thrown upon the Secretary of State, that concentration these proposals may be received now, I anticipate that of authority is not provided. (Hear.) All through my noble the time will come when when they will have justice friend's speech he seemed to lay great stress upon contieas. done to them, and our moti ves in bringing them for- i n the divisiou between military and c i v il b us i ness and ward will be duly appreciate:a r have already stated military and civil duties. As it appears to me, he is goi ng these changes will not requi r e an y a ct of Parliament to to l eave t h e C ommander- i n-Chief precisely as at the present carry them into effect, and I may add that it is the time. lam persuaded that while this continues—while intention of the Government to carry them out with one person is not responsible, both for the efficiency with the least possible delay. I have said nothing as to w h i ch t h e S erv i c e i s conducted, and for economy—you-will the expenditure which Ines , be attendant upon these not have the machine working well. I believe it can made changes, because lam as yet unable to produce - any de- to work well by a very simple alteration in the position of tailed statement of the expenditure likely to accrue under the Commander-in-Chief. The only alteration necessary the new system. But I can assure your lordships that I will be this : -that those proposals which it is now the have so far ascertained the effects which may be expected duty of the Conimander-in-Chief to submit to the Sovereign as to be able to say I have every reason tosbelieve-aira in person shall invariably go to the Sovereign through the - deed, I feel convinced—we shall find it more economical nini 3 te r ol' - Wes. (clear.) I believe that a member of the than the present system, and that I shall ntt be callstl Cabinet ought to submit to the Crown everything wisieas upon to ask for a single shilling to pay these new officers requires the:sanction of the Crown, and that one insaubee or to meet any increased expenaitaro. If these changes or another of the Cabiaet should be responsible for every had been in my opinion calculated to operate to the pre- measure v,liich is approved by the Crown. (Hear) 11l judiee of the public service, I should not havieundertaken •is an anomaly web , of recent date--it has grown up wilasaa them at this- time, even at the risk of being blamed, toe the last Woe 70' years - -thati illaD - y moat important nae gcther with my colleagues i n th e G overnmen t, for not cures, adopted by the Government relating to military removing a grievance of which the public has thought it affa i rs, are su b mitted directly to the Sovereign by the b a d re as on to complain. I am quite aware we have not tiolainander-in-Chicf, who is converted into a MiList er „ gone so far as some military reformers would call on us to instead of filling a subordinate position in a miLitaryoLfiee, go, but I think we have gone far enough. The inbject The Earl of ELLENI3OROUGH—Perhaps the noble has been carefully considered, both as to the changes them- lord will tell us what he intends shall be the future re/a selves, their effects, rind the propriety of introducing them Lions between what is now called the Trans Board an d at the present time, and I have little doubt that the adop- p tion of these plans will be found conducive to an improved the Minister of War. Th o t rans p or t serv i ce was underoe of the Lords of The Admiralty. A baard has recently administration of the civil departments of the army. It, been eenstituted. I have a great objection to all boards, %lin, no doubt, be some time before all these improvements but it appears to me nothing is so anomalous as the posi can show themselves, but I trust soon the system will be Con of Captain Milne, a member of the Board of Admi. found to be one which will command the approbation of rally, having a qualified authority over the Transport the country, whose business we desire to conduct - with in- Board. (Hear.) So far as I can judge, the Transport Board creased e ffi ciency. (Hear, hear.) will not be placed in connection with the Minister of War, The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH—I must say it is ex- . though without the active co-operation of the Transport tremely satisfactory to find that it is not considered neces- Board the Minister of War cannot move a regiment. If • tohave sary the Minister of War is to have control over -the move- It is most desirable that the changes which the noble lord ments of the army by sea and by l an d, I canno t see how the present arrangement can by possibility be c o ns i s t en t proposes should be made on the authority of the Crown. with the public service, and I would suggest to the noble The noble lord will then have an opportunity of making -lord to consider the expediency of abolishing the Transport any altera tions which he may think to be necessary,' and Board. ( Hear.) • those who may succeed him will also have the same power. Lord MONTEAGLE hoped that their lordships would especially be well informed as to the financial arrangementsl trust, also, when the noble lord reserves to himself the relative to the army, but more p ar ti cu l ar l y o f t h e relation power of displacing all present officers whose duties he of the Commissariat to the Treasury. He himself had been may consider can be better performed by other persons, a member of the commission which had recommended the he will not hereafter be surprised if the same power consolidation of the army departments generally ; but with should at some future time be exercised by his successors. reference to the Commissariats distinction had been drawn. The abolition of the office of Master-General of the Ord- Within the last year the transactions of that department nance, the amalgamation of the office of Secretary at War amounted to no leis a cum than 9,000,0001. sterling; and with that of the Secretary of State for War, - and the union there was also at their disposal.a BLUE of 1 - ,000,000/. sterling of the Commissariat with the War Department seem tome to be disbursed solely according to discretion. He believed to be very great and important changes,and I think it would that if the proposed consolidation - took place, and that all be convenient if the noble lord would direct that a memo-. this additional weight of business was to be thrown on randum shall be prepared and laid upon the table for your . the Minister of War, there ought to be a Chancellor of lordships' information, showing the present powers of the • the Exchequer solely for the War Department, to pr ovide several officers whose situatio ns it i s propose d t o abolish,' ' ways and means to meet his uncontrolled expenditure. and the powers intended to be e n t rus t e d t o the o ffi cers b y fear was that the proposed alterations would tend onl His to whom they are to be succe e d e d, so th a t we may h ave a overweight the Secretary of Slate. y tabular view of the entire alterations which are proposed. The Earl of HARDWICRE considered it was rather an We are without anyinformation as to the manner in which the Commissariat Department -a department of the great. anomaly that such a number of purely military offices est importance—is to be administered. I apprehend that should be placed under the control of a civilian. However, at present there is no one in that department between the in order to work out the syStein properly, he was for plac- Minister for War and the chief clerk of the Commissariat ing the transport service entirely under the control of the Department who formerly acted under Sir C. Trove- MiniSter of War. As things were at pre s se w na n th n o n s u e i rll lyan. It appears to me _ that there is a difficulty' in authority everywherewerethepero n n ee w w h o that sh o uld ll about all these arrangements , and I want to know what is at the purse. He never , . h owev er , coul d to be the real responsibility of the Minister for War. I be.' However, that heing so, and as the real power of.the hthought expenditure, e that know that he will be answerable for his conduct i n . his f exp enditure and responsibility ought to go minister was his power of place in Parliament, but I want to know to what extent the power o . , he is to be really responsible. (Hear.) A Yeryconscientious hand in hand man, placed at the head of the War Department, might Lord PANMURE said he bad only one word to aid to think it necessary for him to leek into every detail of the what had fallen from the-noble earl opposite (the E a rl of Commissariat Departm en t ; b u t , if h e d oes that, and en- Ell en b or ough) . He per f ect ly agreed with the noble earl other departme n t s connected with the ad thedeavours also to acquaint himself with all the details of ministration of the army besides those which was i ntended office of Secretary for War, and of the o ffi ce of Ord- that there were other . . it . min d i eal w ith at present which might require arrangement, nance, it is perfectly impossible that he should perform these duties satisfactorily, for he will be overwhelmed with to to w hich attention would be directed hereafter. For business. If, on the other hand, he considers that he incurs instance, the Commissiariat branch might require alteration. was ° no t sure that•it would not be necessary altogether a mere technical responsibility, all the evils of the presentbut, before ad di vision of authority will be practically continued, the busi- t H o e revisethat branch of the public service ; ness will be conducted mostunsatisfactorily, and there will vising a n y such alteration of as .old offic e, found for consideration, and if it were found not be that unity of direction which is desirable. In my woul d require amp l e advantage of the public service to make an would be opinion it is absolutely impossible to carry on the depart- th e the question went of the Commissariat without giving it some effected. Then, again, the Medical. Smith, upon ostensible head—a person of authority, who shall be respon- immediatelyetit eq ired considerable attention. Di ed somewhat too hehad no hesitation in saying that an a lterat ion would Depart. Bible in the eye of the public for the administration of the Palle administration m ho department. No doubt the Minister for War will have s w eve m re a censure, had now retired from . consequence of health, in the power of giving directions with reference to that de- r equ ired e u mast say of that department, broken in upon to make dur partment, and on some occasions he may test the accuracy the exertions which he had been called the public had the appointment of his sue- of the statements made to him, and look into the details. . last 12 m onths; and in ld be introduced into the the mg the ts wou Indeed I consider that no one can possibly conduct various improvemen ent. (Hear) There were also business of the public well unless he occasionally looks into cessor . . the administration of the departm. ts in w h Inc alteration and improve. the minutest details of his department, and ascertains much other civil departmen , to w hich every attention would conduct of those who administer it. I question very meat were requ , ired an, of the noble earl, allusion was made office of Secretary at VG ar to that m h each the policy of annexing the o paid. In t he s peech t r-Goneral of the Ordnance, and be a violation of be , of the Mas e of Minister for War. It seems to me to to the services mpressed upon the Government the necessity principle, because a Minister for War incurs expe n ditu re, the noble earl i •- , that high o ffi cer in the Cabinet as a nit ' and the Secretary at War has hitherto managed t h e finan ces in future of harelkaw., with the exception of Lord Angle , of the army, audit has been his duty to control expen dit ure. tnand litary asBistAef'anmure) did not believe that, for the last Now, to give tothe same person the power of ( - arm . i .g en sea, he (Lor d a 111 sate of the Ordnance had had . to be a contradiction of controlling expenditure seems SO or 40 y ears,.. Cabinet. [The Earl of Ellenborough--" T nits. he to injurious fail to lea d seat in the . The Duke of Principle which can hardly that the Secretary for War should !' o f Wellington.l Wellington had eer- Dube p os sessed a seat. in the Cabinet, but not It may be quite right Secretary .._ of controlling and overruling the ~ tunly a s Master. of the Ordnance • and, happily,for have the power always a very great advantage 1 General ~ many years at War, but there is it is to make representations, iast, the occasions had been but rare when the Govern having an officer whose duty he l s but let bins 1 moot required the advice of that o ffi cer, for - War strike as p ease , ni h 'Us agreed . tl. V . At the same Let the Secretary appears to me that, according ~. time, equiwi I. .ae noble earl that, if a military hear first ; and it certainly ll be no to make repi officer ceuld be found who would h • ' there wi no o . . El, eard to. e willing to arrange to the present proposal, army. W i. " - le ` , I - himself with the political part of the fi nances of the that oepai - 3' the day, and was at the 4; sentations as to the time when welli ng . same ame capable of coneueti n e the Ordnance, I recollect the Duke of military office it would be the' - 1 t . ,i. u les of a high under the control o f lenin-Chief was . , of _advantage te the public anent was present Comment 3of servie 3to place that or • to and when the o alio') of the Duk, t. with ..- ucer in the closest possible con- Cl u e ' rk of the Ordnance, and the that.Pno department of the nec :on the Government. (Hear, hoar.) With re- Wellington at that time . wa d s and that in no oiler de- 1 fereuce to what had fallen from his noble friend (Lord State was so well organise partment was bus i nes s ell conducted. I have no 1 Grey) , he felt bound to say . that there were several points noble nuke and my noble friend were in which ho diff ere d from his noble friend. His noble so , w doubt that while the admirably conducted, and I 1 , friend went much much further in military reform than . . at that department it w as board framed 'he which thatwaswas , did, fur he (Lord Panuiure) could not believe that it pauc_rle upon . think the i i to the pi inciple upon which the ' wauld bat all (1 - the Commander -la superior e a txpe rent to plaice to the last degr ee is framed, because it gave authority to Chief, as head of the un der the control of a civilian. army, Board of Admira l ty there was really no diffic ulty and also by hear)—and the chief—(hear, the abol ition given to the tang the business. I object to in transacting dministration of Master-General of the Ordnance upon two heads of the different branches of military office I think are worth y • an d should b© embodied both of which the serious ' should be distinct and precise, ble of the house, he grounds, Consideration of your lordships and of the public. In the \ some document to be laid upon thl o t n a to accede to that re first place, I object to placing the whole patronage of the could not have the smallest otject! necessary that the army in the hands of one man, so that no gentleman in uest. (Hear, hear.) It NI • • .0 hig hly what their duties England will be able to . obtain for his son admission to any public officerashould fu yll understan d ~ se the information de branch of the military service without going to one inch- were to be • arid, as •°"°- possible, Id be laid upon the table. s id na l. (Hear, hear.) I think that would. be practically - sired b y their lordships wen - . a very objectionable arrangement. I think (Hear, b r ) another great ea . LENBOROUGH observed that, since a practical objection to the change is this :—D i' the The Earl of EL a dverted to the liubject of a civilian_being life of the Duke of Wellington it was not u ing . d had noble l at sill mom* or _. . 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