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d( lit ;he case of`tti:l3crot;gli dr Elicstnere, which ozcarrea 'last !..•-sno4. ` , PEAKER said, that with respect to Irish Petitions, t;iough they-were obliged to enter into recognizances within H thys, yet, unlike the case of English Petitioners, there seas no Report made as to the non-completion of the security for 14 ott) , , atter the-expiration of the first 14 days; the time `therefore, with respect to the present case, would not expire till the sth of June, which was but three days after the time rr,iied for. It was right distinctly to understand whether the Tarbes meant to confine themselres'with the sureties a4eady utn,ed, or whether they sought to offer new sureties. Atte, a few,words from Mr. WYNN and Mr. MOORE, the -motion was put and carried without a division. Mi. WYNN said, that all adiJacits lodged with the Clerk for Election Petitions, or flit. Master hi thaneery, ought to be (men to the perusal of all the parties concerned. • 1 . 1 E.-li(Eit said, tkat any iintrectiment thrown in the Way of the parties would he most •tton . .arratitable, and he would take care that tune should he uttered. PORT'S OUT Mr. Lee broug ht up the .to to set ye ot. Litt 'Commit lee to I ELECTION. in.,sented a:;ainst the return lutes of the ;Nlembers hallotted tey the •flierits of the Petiti o n • I'he,y wete as s~~II~~N s : Mr. J. Wilters(fri Grant, Mr. Cliados ik'Court, Mr. ;F. For: Mr. Dritl,r, 4ir 1/. ihti J•lt. 1.14,11. W. V. Fitzgerald. 1)r. Luslyingtoli. It. tiratishy•Coorrr, c. W. - Taylor, NI% Gconze Imeey„ Mr. W. li. Aslitturst, C. Cockerel!, Somer. Cox,rjr. John 7.110.t•liv1), Lord Viscount Clivr, FIIONT THF. (.0111):: Nlessage from the L,rd; antioury_td that their 'Lordships Lad agreed to several Bins. Mr. f). W. HARVEY pu sentrd a petition from Mr. Win. I'eyant, the a.ze ot of Mr. 11,.. Llratit, stating, that peti ti.?., had against the return of the tiitliuh Menthey for Ahlborinnz:r. That oor of the sureties tendeled, as it had heel - , recently discovered, uas, by deeds of part ner ip, bound not to enter into security of any kind for any sum txcetallug 301. The petition prayed ter leave to substi tr.te a person in the room of .loin Tholopsen petitiort . ll:-,v . ing he ro hroti;.:11; up :Ind re :d, . - . . Mr. ii AItV by then moved that Or, petitioner,. have lour 1., I n days time to propose a. new surety in the room of 2itr. liter a few words (ion: \lr. (LICE, Nit. BF:la:ROM ME said llrtt it was very inconvenient tact the incapacity of : , 0 1 hav e 1,, e 0 di,elosed Inqour. It wa, ram (final y that so touch time should have heti) allowed to tran , pire. The list vase which had been be tore IltillSe Was very distinct from the present—A stowt ni:oti its own n.etits. The petition seemed to him to (.411 on the noose to disl,ense with its own orders. .Ir. WYNN said, Ihe Petitioner should have known in Ibe first 11131itlICe the nature of the security. ihr s I'EA KER. said, that he thought it right to state that lie had hat day received a letter, signed W. Bryant, enclosing ei , etai allithivi:s, which he had offered to the Examiner; that Ile bad attended with his Counsel and Solicitor, and requested • that the Examiner would cllow him to t titer int.., the recog nizance. (;tie of the atiidarits stated, that the deponent, on the l&th of May, Kent to the hOnse of Wm. Thompson Egli», rod asked hint whether he would become surety for Mr. lcryant ; t hat F.g iu expressed willingness to do so, and that he mentioned to him the amount of the sum fur which Ile was to h hound. That it was not until Monday last that it IV:ii ascertained that Eglin was hound up by deed net to enter into any securities excerdit.g oul,--,"1 he speaker said, lie men tioni d thrs to show that on the 15th May Eglin was aware of the amount of the <lt:n for which he wa, to go security. Mr. WYNN said, that it would'appear , front this that no fault was attributable to the parties, as they were not made aware of the incompetency of the surety. After a few words from Mr. HARVEY and Mr. STUnGES BOURNE", Mr. Win. Bryant • was called iu and examined. He said that it was not till Monday night, at 1 I. o'clock, that he was made acquainted with the tact of the incompe tency of Mr. Eglin. The witness having withdrawn, it evas ordered that the Pe titioner be allowed ten days to procure a new surety, in the room of J. Th.nopson Mr. C. CALVERT presented another Petition from William Bryant, oir the subject of the El. ct inn for Aldhurough, which was ordered to be laid on 1 he'fable. • Mr. Serjennl ONSLOW presented a Petition from the At tormei of Alaidenhead, praying tor an alteration of the law Trspecthlg Conveyancers. LiTTLETON presented a similar retitioo from Si afford. Mr. BLACKBURN presented a Petition from n town in Liticashire, tin; name of which could nut he heard, against the tax 00 foieign wool. 111r..10LIAFFE presenter] a Petition from the Occupiers cf Laud in the neig!Wout hoot! of I't:fel - stirlJ, complain:Di; of the tustresett state of al;riculture. Lord C. NIANNERS presented a similar Petitio❑ from the rmers of the County of Cambridze. Mr. CURWEN presented a Petition from the Farmers of the vest part of the County of Citisibetlatid, prajing that the House would take their distressed state into its consideration, not only on their own account, but on account of the la bourers depentliog on them. Papers relative to Sierra Leone were laid upon the Table. Sir G. CLILIIK prt,ented a Pet tutu front the Heritors of the Conoty of Edinbur4h, praying that the duty on Foreign Wool be not repealed. ELECTION PETITION. Mr. HART DAVIS presented a Petition from Robt. Winter. the agent for the Petitioner, against the return of ME. Roharts for Walling turd. The Petition stated, that the Petitioner had, in consequence of his absence-in the country, relied on a Gentleman conversant in ParVamentary busines4, to give th,e necessary niotices, and put in sureties; that in conse quence of a misunderstanding on the pint of that Gentleman, the notices had not been given within the time fixed by law; lie consequently prayed to be allowed to put in the sureties which he now had'in readiness. ()9 the question that the Petitioner he called in, Mr. ABLIICROIBII.: observed, that supposing all the al legations in the Petition to be proved, he did not, see how the kloitief could grant the prayer of it, without making the Act of Parliament a dead letter. Lord CASTLEREAGH thought the House could nut be called upOn to occupy itself with such a Petition. Mr. ht. DAVIS then requested leave to withdraw the re was .withdrawn.. . :AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. • Lord IkIILToN Stated, that he had a Petition from the Occupiers of Land of Holden, in the County of York, complaining of agricultural -dis tress. He wees convinced that their allegations were not only founded in fact, but were worthy of the attention of the House. At. the same time, any matter which related to human food , was eh titled to serious consideration. The Petitioners attributed their distress to want of protection against the importation of foreign corn. ''They looked to agriculture as the source of wealth, and only asked for protection. He did not•ex actly know to what object the inquiry, which an lion. Member opposite had expressed his inten tioo to propose, was to be directed. ‘Vonld he merely in q uire into the ability of the fanners to bear the burdens which lay upon them, or vroeld he endeavour to ascertain the nature of those bur dens It his object was only to enter into a limited inquiry, he (Lord 11.) was apprehensive that it would only be considered as an attempt on the part of the agricultural interest to enhance the price of their manufacture, for corn was as much their manufacture as count) or pottery that of other branches of public industry. But if the object was to enter into a mote extended infinity and through its means to investigate those gene ral causes of distress Which affected the agricultu rists as part of the community; he , conceived that touch good m;ght be derived from the elucidation of the real grounds of the distress which pressed upon the country. The object of the Petitioners was not to.obtain an undue advantage crver other classes of the community; they only wished to right themselves and others too.' .Were it other %vise, he should say that their object was not philesophical, hut calculated to do infinite this citet in the present state of the country. The Petition having Leen brought up andreall, Mr. H. SUMNER said, in consequence of the inquiry which took place in ISIS, the House, Irernea to be •satisfied that SOs. %vas the lotsest price at which the corn grower could be,protect ed against foreign competitors. A specific in quiry ought now, in the first instance, to take ►dace on that subject, to ascertain whether the means thus devised to protect the agricultural in terest had proved effectual, and %vhether other measures were necessary to carry those which were then adopted into effect. it would then be for the House to inquire into the present state of those connected with ,the - landed interest, and how far the price of corn would be likely to be affected by attending to their wishes. An inquiry on these subjects would, in his opinion, tend to tranquillize the public mind. The question for them to consider should he, in tire first instance, not whether an increase of price should grant ed, but whether their former measures had proved efficient. Mr..CU4WEN was of opinion, that unless an inquiry took place, and unless adequate protec tion %vas granted to the agricultural interest, the dintini!.lied growth of corn in the country would hi! such, that ithitucely the public must pay in finitely dearer for their corn than they had hither to paid o r than Wltiti other eireonwances they would be likely to pay. Both the agricultural and the manufacturing classes were' strongly in retested in the insiitntion of such an i n q u iry. The country ought not to be left at the mercy of foreigners for a supply of grain. could wish a great proportion of the Committee to whom the inquiry might be confided, to con s ist of commer cial men. Mr. Cotta did not think that the present dis tress arose from the want of a protecting price, but from the weight of taxation, and eepecialiy tioin the cluel and int t ►nlitic tax laid on Malt in the last year. LLel►►re that duly was iimitiosed, matte's were improving hi Nottolk. They were nor so well as could be wished, but they seemed to be looking up. He considered the real cause or all the distress was to be found in that system on which Ministers had oniformly acted ever since they had been in the House, and it was his opi nion tbat it that system were not abandoned, the country must still go cm from bad to worse. Mr. RICARDO ‘vas convinced that if further pro tection were granted to •tl►e agricultural interest, the Measure must be highly detrimental to all the other classes in -the community. These Gentle men-had a: great opinion of countervailing duties ; but if the principle .were followed up . on which they were dh , posedto act, the effect of it must be to cut off all out foseign trade. Sopposing corn could be had from Poland for forty or fifty shill ings per quarter, in that case, to protect. those Gentleman; an extra charge.of 40 or 50 shillings must be imposed on thecontooner. They thotight it most unreasonable that the agricultural inte rest shook" wish to raise the price of corn. A more nuseasomabie time that) the present could not have been chosen for agitating this question. If the prayer of 'the Petitioners. were attended to, it would increase the distresses of the people beyond measure, and he therefore hoped that mielmin these few days the House would give it a decided negative. Mr. I3ENETT (of Wiltshire) contended, that the agricultural interest did not wish for any measure that wouhramount to a prohibition attic, impor tation of corn. As far as be ,, *, tlerstoc,rt their prayer, it was their objetvint to raiie..the I►rice of corn nrtnrcesserily I►igb, but to kOp is at a steady remunerating price—and lower it could noc be expected. If all the polls were open, by a sufficient protection ' not .beiog granted, the pre. sent taxation'coold not be borne, the OM' rates could not be paid—the, labourers could . not be employed. He would prove from the history of the country, that when the highest protection was afforded to our agriculture, corn was sold at the cheapest rate ; and durint , tbe"sixty years in which ti bounty was given on the exportation of grain in the last century. the price of cotri had been lower than at any other period. The Act of 1815 did. not afford the farmer the requisite protection. When the price of grain - was advanced, the sport ing merchant gained all the profit, and all the odium fell upon the landed interest. Lord Minfoist said, the support which be should give the Petitioners would delieoil upon time cha racter of the measures that tr►ighit be proposed.- The Petition was ordered to lie on the Table. LINEN TRADE. Mr. S. WORTLEY preeented n Petition from the Linen Manufacturers of the Town of Kentottir, in the Contil of Forfar, praying fora renewal of the BOW'ORS on the.Ex'portation of Linen. L rd MII,TON objected to giving Clew bounties on exportation. Mr. S. WoaTLaY said, the petitioners did not apply tor new bounties ; they only desired to be pl4cttl on the sane looting as their brother 'natio tactut ers in Ireland. Mr. ROBRItTSON said, Government thought the manufacturers in this part of the Erfipire entitled to ['he slime protection as those in Ireland. One set of laws on this . subject would expire in the next year. Similar laws exiited in Ireland,wbich would not expire so soon, and it was not unrea sonable that the present petitioners should expect the benefit allowed to the• Irish manufacturers in these bounties to be extended to them. Sir I.Z. FERGUSON was of opinion, .that if the bounties in question were not continued, three fourths of the labouring roanutacturets in that part of the country from which the yeti ion came would be.disinissen, and their employers ruined. Mr. RICARDO viewed the tact of a bounty be : thought necessary to bribe the foreign con sumer to buy, as a proof that that branch of commerce could not be advantageously prosecut cd.—At this time of day lie thought that such was not the line of conduct that ought to be adopted—we aught not to continue the absurd practice of bribing the consumer to take our goods off our bands. Sir JOEIN NIiWPOAT agreed with his Hon. Friend in his general principle, but could not con sent that one part or,ly of the system, which had bt:en so long building up, shouid be done away, to the injury of some, and to the unfair advantage of others. Mr. Hums said, the Petitioners only asked to be placed on the same footing with the manufac turers of Ireland, till the tvhole system should be tev4ed. Mr. W. PAWNEtt. Whiled for the et neral revi sion of the whole sysicat. _ _ Lord MILTON compated the case of free trade to that of the middle•aged Gentleman who had two wives, one of whom undertook to pull out all his white hairs, while the other did al much for all his brown ones, and thus between-them both the poor man was left bald. While they heard much in praise of a free trade, the Landed Inte rest came to Parliament for Corn• Bills ; the Ma nufacturers- for Bounties; and the consequence was, he feared that MinisterS were induced to sa crifice to the partial interests of these patties the general- good of the count' y. After a few words (tom Mr. Runt s /Isom . , the Pe tition was ordered to be printed: FREE TRADE. Sir M. W. Itint,Ey presented a Petition from the Merchants,' Traders, and Manufacturers of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, on the subject of the re strictions on Trade. Of the injuries sustained from these restrictions they gave several instances, and pointed not in particular the decline of our trade to Norway and to •Holland. They paled the House :n t ake into its Consideration the itn policy of the present system. They then d to the Corn Bill, which they thought the cause of many of the evils which they now etunplainett of ; but they,did not wish the present law, to be suddenly repealed, but wavedfor a gradual altera tion of the present laws affecting trade.—The Pe tition was ordered to lie On the table. Mr. LINDSAY prvsrnted a prtif ion from the ALigistreiti'3 - Had Dlerch antsof the town . of For fAir, praying for Ihe eontit.ttaoce of the LiNen Bottoties,—Orilet 61 to lie ott clle table. 111 r. 11/A%Avf.i.t. presented tt petition from the illerchants, Altitiiifeicturii4.r Traders, and others, in the town of Paisley, reialive to the Rrstrietions on Trade.—Ordeied to he 'hici on the Labic. SteTt H BURGHS. Lord A. HAMILTON, as he did not understand that the motion wiin h tee was about to Take Was . to he opposed, 1.... add not at present enter ge nerally into the subject, but would content himself with descrihing the documents which he wklied produced tor the information of the House. EL proceeded to describe the pa pers that he wanted for that purpose. He wished it ro be distinctly understood that it was not his wish to disttirb or destroy any existing right to vote ; but merely to add to the voters by giving those who could riot vote at present a right to __vote, founded on proper y. He moved, that there should he laid before the House, copies of the Rolls of Freeholders. in every County in Scotland, as last made up .and certified respeCtively by the Sheriffs' Clerks - of each County. Lotd CASTLBREAGEI thought the House would feel, that,.to enter into the debate on thesribject of the representation in Scotland, would, at pre sent, he premature. It no one ob . Fctell to the production - of the - Papos culled for, which he did not. the debate might stand over for the preSent. Mr. HuMB suggested, that an addition should be made to the motion of - the Noble Lord, - dis tiogiiishing voters on superiority from those who voted from actual possession of bind. Sir Gr CLARK apprehended that it would be impossible to act on this suggestion. He believed the distinclion recommended could only be made' by examining each individual as to the nature of his right. Mr. Homo had understood that it might be effected to a great extent. Mr. ARRRCRoMBY, befort the greet queStiOO was disposed of, bops! • the English Aleichers nould -consider *ell the state of . the represen tation in Scotland. It• would he found to 'be wholly aristocratical. In England every per:. son who had a freehold of forty • shilliugS had a vote. In Scotland a limit might have 10,0001. a year, and yet be, not only not' qualified to vote, but nut qualified to be elected. He therefore %visited gentlemen to feel-that the question- was . quite different from that - raised on the state of the' representation in England ; and they might with perfect consistency approve of the latter, and yet %visit for a change in the forriter. The Parliament in Scotland bad but one house, and that had been filled by the Peerage, or their influence. 'ln no instance bad a' seat in it been considered an oh ject of profit or honour ; hot down.to the period of the Union it had been considered a most grievous burden. It was to the system of elec tion, growing out of a Parliament so constituted, that his Noble Friend wished to call the attention of the House,—end a more important subject coeld not be brought under their consideration. The CHANCRLLoR of the,EXCHEQUER, after the speech of the Hon. Gentleman, thought it right to caution the House against . rashly deciding that the representation of Scotland was bid, because it was different from that of Engtand. Each mie,ht be fitted for the purpose for which it was !ranted, and he believed that it would be found that both had answered the purpose for which they had been adopted. An Hots-..IVIRMBRR thought the present state of • the represeotationskt,scotiand a degradatiossio the.' country. lie hoped something would be done to alter it. Sir R. FueovsoN could not let 613 opportu. Oily pass without thanking the Noble Lord tor the great service he bad rendered Scotland, ,by bringing this subject before the House. Ile hoped . that it would not be made a party goes don. The motion was then agreed to. Sir JOHN NEWPORT postponed his motion re . s. pecting the taxing of costs in Ireland- till Thins day. ALDBOROUGH ELECTION. Mr. rYNIRS moved the reading.of one of the Standing Orders of the HOnse; which al luded to the time and manner of the quali - Etation of a Memher being riven in, - having }ken read, he moved that Mr. Green, Agent of Mr. Antrobus, be permitted to sign are rental of the lands and hereditaments by which Mr. Antrobus makes out his qualifications to sit in Parliament. Mr. DIiNDIAN objected to the motion as one that might subject the House to great inconve nience, by opening a door to the admission of persons not qualified to si!, who might take an advantage of the course now recommended. Mr. BATuutisT supported the motion, end thought much iileonvnience tril4ht be experienc ed by Alcruber3 iS their yudilichtions bt toestion by' my ithilv;ilua!, Woo Lad - qualificition himself. Mr. TienNEY did not say that no hardships like those supposed by the Right Hon. Gentleman might be experienced but on the other hand , great inconvenience might be experienced front the proposed departure from the standing order. fie, however, did not peremptorily object to the proposal, but he regarded it as one that (let - loaded consideration. Mr. Writ. COURT3KAY ,shovred that no Act of Parliament would be violated by dissenting h . "' the Standing Order of the House. la the present case this would only be done to answer the enths of justice. The qualification proposed to be g iven. in for Mr. Auirobn6, by his Agent, was , open ta be gnarrelle*with by those who had an interest: 'in attacking it. _ ' Mr. A ISSECKOME Y agreed kNith the last Speaker, and said it was only proposed to suspend th a standing order when that standing order cs''Ll •found to be in the way of justice. The tinalific 3- .tion of Mr. Antrobos would he given, and those: opposed to hint might ftild as many blots as they pleased. The lion. •Centletneu (Mr. Fynes) , he thought, would have done better for his col league it he had propc , sti to postpone the bus nesi altogether till the next Session of Parliament. All the Petitioner wanted was to obtain justice, and it would not be well that they•shouldstrictlf abide by the standing (rider of the Hotisc - to de' feat that object. After a few remarks from Sir J.-Newport, Mr. 1 ) .,.M00re, Mr. Cfletaft, and Mr. Denman, The CiIANCELLOR of the Excl.] FALTER prOpPEC I that , the further considera,iou of this sobjr" should he adjourned till to-morrow. Mr,„ FY NES had but trite object ion. Thi,s .r 34 the last day al' owed by the St a• Order Is.a. Old giving in of Mr. Antrobus's ion, and cow. sequen , lY an 00min - tient Ittl to.inorro , v, out some understaudtug on the subject, would be injurious. The SPEAKER said, the House had the power of remedying any inconvenience that they mighc impose. ln,the present instance hr thought li l d adjournment of the debate could only be reprded as a prolongation of it, and the parties at the clott": of the debate to.toovrow would, he apprehended , stand precisely in the same situation as they , 1 151 to-day. The further consideration of the subject was then adjourned till to -mot row. .13OSTON ELECTION. Mr. COURTENAY said, he had a stronger We tbHll that now disposed of, to bring berme thd notice of the House. It was the ease of Mr. Elli 4 holding a situation at the Cape of Good 11 , 170' and trim wgs, during his absence, elected fur the Borough of Boston. A Committee for the cow.; sideratiOn of the Petition against his return %%a 3 already appointed to take place on the G hot Jute: but the Committee could do nothiug in the case, as no nominee was-known for Mr. Ellis. He ditt not wish to dispense with any trguliv ion, but 1 1 6 conceived that the consideration of the Petition . might without irregole.fty be appointed for the 18rh of July. If the: House were AiSpOSCd to g into the merits of the goes:too,- he- might be per"' mitted to say, that he did not.`think.that it cool& be proved that Mr. Ellis hcld the sit:wiry, question at the time mentioned. The. Hon, Alen!" her concluded wit Ii that the.Or.ier of 'I" Day for taking this Petition into considera , ion on Tuesday the•6lll of June,• lie. discharged, 'and tl' 6 , consideration of the same he fixed for The ititir soy next. •Mr, said, he could, have no objectiotb• to the postponement of the debate on t his questioa • to- an early period ; for instance:, the coming day• It was necessary the question should be des erminett as speedily as possible. Air. Wit LIAM considered the question invoree'l t in the present motion to be one of the most V ital importance in a constitutional point of vie , lif•` - : Notwithstanding the absence of the party, he lit" been. returned a - Member to Parliament, ant: i t was impossible to say, box Jong he might " absent. It might. be perhaps convenient to 11 10 to remain two or. three years abroad, and ye" would it be argued that the validity of the r etain should : not be ioquired into duriog such a prr' - ' longed absence ? It certainly was not desirttb i l . : to come to a premature decision. on the.case ; he should, therefore, agree to an adjournment " the consiiieiation of the subject to a reasonablf distant dive. Mr. TIERNEY observed, the motion'for its coi l ' • sideratiou at a future day had already been made' , Sir R. HERON said, he was perfectly preparea to go into the question immediately; thougb would not press: it, it was desirable the s ubjec c should he soon examined - by the House, as, to h i. knewledge, there were many persons now in who were anxiously expecting the discussion ° L the'subject; not that they had - any doubts as to the result of the• inquiry, as they were- to a man Il e oidedly of opinion that Parliament could only P" r ; sut - bne course with respect to the validity of tU retnrn.—(A laugh.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER bE - e d Wl ' the adjournment of the consideration of the 4 05° tiou before the House should be fixed for I . ' l 'l ,day ; bat as it appeased to In tie wish of sev era p Hon. Members that it shoold take' place at 8 e earlier date, he should not o!lject to the H 6us i tesotning the question to-morrow. and figing ~ consider.tion of the Petitiot), cid inie;iln, t! ) ) 1.80 of July.—Motion agreed to. . PRIVATE MIAS. On the suggestion of she :... , ,PEAtus, the 0 4°. t► o of the House (of the 28th Aiprii) for limiting receipt of 'Petitions for Private Bills to the of May, was enlarged until WeLlnesday the ; 3 ' l : e inst. The ground - tor this postponement" Wtt intervention of three Eleohin P et itions, W ill-- are to be cprrsiderech on Tuesday next. of The SPEAKatt ihen suggested the proprietYipt enbrging the time tor Petitions for Private 131 the and Reports thereon, rt t° 2!-)lft of Julie. 111 E trititt sugge.tion, on the tnolion of th e CII cellor of the Exchequer, VC :1S agreed to. r}; 9 ' Die oilter Orders of the DAy were fl, 3 „ f iet posed of; and the House adjourned ut Nine o'Cloek. Pr '!utt:d t.J! , J, 13, ci.1.14 - 1 - Aißs i N u . St' 4. -1. 4