The Sun. — London, England, 1849-06-05 00:00:00

fourto72Vitton SUN OFFICE, Seven o'Clock. ASCOT RACES. (THIS DAY.) —BY EXPRESS. The Ascot Stakes of 25 sovs. each. Two miles and a half. Vampyre Wanota tedarius Won by a length. Fifteen ran. WEST FLANDERS RAILWAY _ (THIS DAY.) The seventh half-yearly general meeting of the pro proprietors of the above railways was held this after noon, at the London Tavern; W. P. Richards, Esq., in the chair. • The report stated, that at the general meeting held in November, the traffic receipts for the half-year, ending 31st Avigust, were stated to be 6,0191. ss. I ld. The total expenses of the half-year (including those of main tenance of way) were 5,962/. 13s. 10d. At the same time the directors expressed their expectations that the expenses of the succeeding half-year, which are now laid before the meeting, would be diminished. In this expectation they have not been deceived. The expenditure for the half-year, ending the 28th Feb. last, is reduced to 5,3071. 7s. Id. The receipts for the same period, the least productive of the two divisions of the year, amount to 5,7134 16s. sd. being a falling off of 305/.95. 6 d. up on those of the preceding six months. The receipts, when compared with those of the corresponding half-year in 1847-8, show a diminution of 1,0981. 45, 9d., which your directors believe to be the effect produced by the revolutionary movement in France, which began to ope rate in February, 1848, afflicted Belgium during the whole of last year, and is now only slowly modifying its influence. Your directors have been anxious to enforce the most rigid economy ; the effects of their exertions are visible in the accounts now presented to the meeting, and will appear still larger in the next accounts. If the whole working expenses, including proper maintenance of permament way, can be confined to 10,0004, which will be less than 3001. per mile, the directors can hope for little more, and to this must be added a sum for the renewal of depreciated stock. The receipts since the end of February, com pared with the same time last year, show an increase during the three months, amounting to about 2601., which it is hoped may be considered as an indication that Flanders is slowly recovering from its prostration and distress. The directors have to state that the pro ceedings in Chancery, which were abandoned by Mr. Robert Stephenson, as executor of his late father, have been renewed by another party, the same solicitor being engaged; which course has caused some trouble and inconvenience. The directors have put in an answer to the bill filed by Mr. Pulsford ; and under this suit have deposited all the books and documents of this company in the Court of Chancery. The directors beg to refer the proprietors to the resolutions passed at the last meeting with reference to the forfeited shares, and to state that they have considered it as the safest course they could pursue to allow those shares to remain in the state which the statutes of the company ordained, as they were unwilling to incur legal responsibility hereafter, and involve the com pany in another Chancery suit. The directors have con sidered that they have best fulfilled their duty to the proprietors by simply laying before them the statement of the receipts and expenditure, with the report of the Directeur Gerant, without comment. The balance in hand is 3,6071. ; the ascertained liabilities of the com pany, as stated below, amount to about 1,8401. There are a few items, which are still matters of dispute, which are amply provided for by the balance. The CHAIRMAN, in moving the adoption of the report, congratulated the proprietors upon the improved aspect of their affairs, and declared that the directors were now convinced that ultimately the undertaking would turn out to be a most profitable one. LY.4I. remarked that the liabilities had been cal culated up to the present time, while receipts were only brought down to the 28th February. The CHAIRMAN said' this had been done in order that the sharehalders might know the exact amount of their _ A PROPRIETOR calculated that the profits would enable them to divide 20d. .a share, and when he considered that the liabilities had been reduced from 200,000/. to 45,2001., he thought they had good cause for congratula tion. He was quite sure the accounts were strictly correct. The CHAIRMAN assured the meeting that they were. The report was then adopted, after which Thanks were voted to the Chairman, and the meeting broke up. MIDDLESEX SESSIONS. (THIS DAY.) (Before the ASSISTANT- JUDGE.) The June General Sessions were opened this morning at the Court-house, Hicks's Hall, Clerkenwell-green. William More was indicted for stealing a watch, of the value of 121., the property of Joseph Norman Bond Em, from his person. The prisoner picked the pocket of the prosecutor of the watch at Stepney fair on Whitsun day last. The prisoner, who was defendei by Mr. Horry, was found Guilty. The ASSISTANT-JUDGE said, if he knew of anything previous against the prisoner he would certainly sen tence hisi to transportation, as he would everyone:of those men who frequented fairs for the purposes of robbery. They all knew one another, and he cautioned the prisoner not to come here again, after he should have completed the term of nine months imprisonment, with hard la bour, to which he was now sentenced. POST-OFFICE NOTICE. 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The existing rules contained in instructions No. 13, 1849, in regard to the transmission by post of newspapers other than the above-mentioned, printed and published in the Channel Islands or in the Isle of Mao, are still in force, it being, however, understood that such of the newspapers as are printed in these islands in the French or in the Manx language shall in no way be affected by the restrictions imposed in this notice, or by the instructions, No. 13, above-mentioned, but shall con tinue to enjoy all the privileges, so far as their trans mission by post is concerned, which they formerly possessed. COURSE OF EXCH. Amsterl gim 12 214 .NGE.-(THIS DAY.) Leghorn ........ • • ..•• 31 0 Genoa.. • • • • ...... •• 26 70 Milan Naples •• 40% Palermo, perm .... 116% Messina .............. 120 Lisbon.... • • •• 53 !4 0p0rt0.... • ..... 53% Rio Janeiro • • ........ Ditto, at sight • • .... 12 034 Rotterdam .... ••.. • • 12 2% Antwerp •••••••••• .. 25 80 R:imburgh .... • •313.1. 13 1234 Altona Paris, 3 days'siglat .... 25 5234 Ditto, 3 months .... 25 70 Uarseilles • • ...... 25 70 Boardeaux.... •.... . 25 70 Frankfort on Mains.... 122 leetersburgh, Sil..Rble.. 3514 Berlin • • .. • • ........ • . Vienna, effec. fib • • .... 12 51 Trieste, ditto.... • • 12 51 Madrid •• •• •• •• •• •• •• 49% Cadiz .• • ............ 50 Bilbao.. • • • • .. ........ Buenos Ayres ...... • • New York, 21 days'alght Philadelphia .... • • .... PILICZ3 OF istrwoN, PTA 01 Foreign Gold in bars ...i3 17 9 Portugal Gold Coin .. 0 0 0 Spanish Doubloons .. 0 0 (1 New Dollars • • .... 0 4 10 Silver in bars ........ 0 4 11% Barcelona ............ Seville•••••••••• •••••, MORTALITY in the METROPOLIS NUMBER OF DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES REGISTERED IN THE WEEK ENDING SATURDAY, JUNE 2, 1549. Epidemic, Endemic, and Contagious Diseases ...*209 Diseases of Uncertain. See.t. 36 Tubercular Diseases ... ••• ... 165 Diseases of the Brain, Nerves , and Senses... ... 104 Diseases of the Heart and Blood-vessels 46 Diseases of the Lungs, and other Organs of Respiration ... ••• ••• ••• 127 Diseases of the Stomach, Liver, and other Organs of Digestion... ••• ••• .•• •.• Diseases of the Kidneys, &c. •• • ••• Childbirth, Diseases of the Uterus, & .3. ... Diseases of the Joints, Bones, and Muscles Diseases of the Skin, &c. ... ••• ••• Malformations... •• ... Premature Birth ... ... ... Atrophy ••• ••• ••• ... ••• Old Age •• • ••• ••• - •• • ..• Sudden ... ... ... ... ... ••• Violence, Privation, Cold, or Intemperance Causes not specified ... ••• ••• ••• DEATIIS FROM ALL CAUSES Population Enumerated, 1841 West Districts... 300,711 North Dic.itricts.. 375,971 Central Districts 373,653 East Districts ... 392,444 South Districts.. 501,190 Average weekly Deaths Deaths, 1844-8. in the Five Springs. Week. . 145 ... 156 . 185 ... 184 . 168 ... 138 . 207 ... 187 . 258 ... 230 Totals... ..... 1,948,369 Males ... Females ... ... ... 895 ... 448 ... 447 BIRTHS IN THE WEEK. Males ... Females ... ... ;05 ... 649 Total ... ~• ••• _ 1,354 *ln this number are included 9 cases of death by Cholera, by Scarlatina, and 23 by Typhus Fever. NEWPORT, JUNE s.—Wind .N.E.—Sld., ad, Tribune, Malaga. 4th, Mary Barris, Boston, United States. DEAL, JUNE 4.—Wind E.—Arrd. Neptune, min a . coree River, for Exmouth; Cicero, Armstrong, Gre nada; Edmond Smith, La Guayra; M. Howes, Bearse, Charleston; Mary Home, New York. Arrd. from the River and sailed, Scourfield, Morey, Charleston; Pri mula, Jackson, Jamaica; Dart, Belle, Madeira. Sld. Melbourne, Port Philip. THE SUN, AUSTRIA. " Letters from Trieste, announce a considerable fall in the Austrian Government stock, in consequence of the reported capture of Agram, the capital of Croatia, by the Hungarians. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current, June 5.) SUGAR.-To• day there was more disposition evinced by importers of West India Sugar to sell, but a reduc tion of 6d per cwt being generally submitted to, occa sioned grocers and refiners to be large purchasers. The total quantity sold amounted to 1,180 hhds, &c., in cluding 274 hhds 23 trcs 57 barrels St. Lucia at public sale, which sold, fine yellow at 40s Gd to 425, good 393 to 39s 6d, low and midding 37s to 38s 6d, good and fine brown 363 to 375, low 355, ordinary to good grey 37s to 395; 46 hhds 14 casks 76 barrels Ja maica, ordinary yellow 37s 6d to 38s, middling 38s 6d to 393; 74 hhds of Trinidad, low and mid yellow 37s 6d to 38s 6.1; 260 hhds 22 trcs 6 brls Barbadoes, fine yellow 40s 6d to 423, mid to good 38s 6d to 403, low 38s; 29 hhds 39 trs 141 barrels St. Vincenes crystalized, white 45s to 50s, yellow 40s 6d to 445, and brown 36s to 39s per cwt. REPINED.-To.day former rates were well supported for refined goods, and home dealers were desirous to make purchases. Bonded crushed sugar is in steady demand at 29s to 303 per cwt. MAURITIUS.-This afternoon there was less demand for grocery sorts of Mauritius, and refined kinds met with a fair sale, and generally realised full terms. At auction 7,726 bags were nearly all sold upon the follow ing terms:-fine yellow, 40s to 41s; mid to good, 38s 61 to 39s 6d; fine brown, 37s to 37s 6d; ord to fine grey, 37s to 39s 6d per cwt. EAST INDIA.-This afternoon the market for Bengal Sugar presented a quiet aspect. At public sale, the quantity offered amounted to 5,739 bags, and prices declined 6d per cwt; but the chief part found buyers-grainy white fetching 45s 6d to 475, yellow 43s 6d to 445, good and fine white enares 42s to 43s 6d, low to good mid 40s to 41s 6d, low and mid soft yellow 36s to 37s 6d, good to fine 38s to 39s 6d. Of Penang, 1,038 mats and 169 baskets went at about the former value-soft greyish yellow at 35s 6d to 365, and brown 34s to 35s 6d. 150 serons of damp white Santa Martha went at 41s to 42s 6d per cwt. FonEmN.-To-day there was much firmness in the market for Foreign Sugar, and none was submitted to public sale. By private treaty a fair business was con cluded, and in some cases stiffer rates were paid. MOLASSES-To-day at auction 50 puns of Bengal Treacle were taken in at 17s 6d for old import, being above the value. TEA.-The market for Black is not more active, although there is a smaller stock than in the former year, and home deliveries continue upon a large scale. Congou is not offered at lower prices, but on the part of town or country dealers not much desire has been evinced to operate. The better sorts met with the least attention, and are in fair supply. The value of ordinary and good orditary is from lid to 81d, mixed blackish leaf 9d to 10d, blackish leaf 10d to Is, ditto strong is Id to is 3d, Pekoe flavour is 4d to is 10d per lb. Pouchong has been dealt in with crution at 6d to Bd, Souchong at 8d to Is Bd, and better sort is 9d to 2s 9d. Green Tea is offered at moderate rates, yet only small sales have been made by town or country dealers, and the market is plentifully supplied; Hyson of ord and good ord quality is offered at is to is 2d, but mid and mid Is 3d to is 6d, good is 7d to is led, fine and superior 2s to 3s, Imperial Canton Is to is 4d, Hysen sort is 6d to 2s 10d, Gunpowder is 3d to 4s, Canton made is 3d to is 6d, Twankay ord 5d to 6d, better sort 7d to Is, Young Hyson 10d to is 10d, supe rior 2s to 3e and Hyson skin low to fine 8d to is 6d. COFFEE.-This afternoon more desire was evinced to operate in Plantation Ceylon Coffee, and at the public sales of 540 bags 50 casks, full rates were obtained; middling went at 48s to 50s, low middling 453 to 465, fine fine ordinary 41s 6d to 445, good ordinary 335 61 to 35s 6d, ordinary 31s 6i to 335, pea berry 505 6.1 to 563 6d, damaged 33s to 425. Native was held for more money, which checked business privately, and at auction 420 bags were taken in at 32s 6d for good ordinary. Cocoa.-This afternoon at public sale 241 bags Bahia Coco were taken in at 29s for fine bright red. RICE.-To-day there was not much desire evinced to operate in East India Rice, and rather lower rates are ace:Tted. At public sale 1,000 bags of Bengal went at 9s for good, 8s 6i for middling white, and 53 6d to 8s 6d per cwt for damaged. SPICES.-Buyers of Pimento show no unwillingness to pay full rates, although the market is well supplied. The parcels offered at auction, amounting to 942 bags, were all sold, and went at 3 d to 31e1 for ordinary to good middling. There are still several buyers in the market, Ginger continues in good demand, and last week's rates are well supported; there is also nct a more plentifnl supply. At auction 100 pkgs of Jamaica were sold at 31 15s to 12/ 4s for low mid to fine bold white. The value of shipping sort of East India is 24s to 265, and home trade kind 35s to 80s per cwt. Several: parcels of black Pepper have been taken privately by shippers and home dealers, whereas the rates obtained are fully equal to those current on this day week. Malabar heavy is worth 3Lt to 3 1 1.1, half heavy 2ici to 3d, light 2id to 21d, and Sumatra from 2d to 3d. White is wanted at from 5 d to 9d. For utmegs - the market is firm, and a fair demand exists ; low to mid brown at 2s 4d to 2s 10d, and 2etter sort 3s to 3s ; the supply` is also small. Mace is wanted at 2s to 3s, and better sort 2s 6d to 2s 10d. Cinnamon is not cheaper. Bencolen at is 3d to is 9d, Bourbon and Zanzibar 7d to Bd, and Amboyna 10d to is per lb. SPIRITS.-For Leeward Island Rum the demand con tinues to improve, and several parcels have been dis posed of at is 4d to is 4id per gallon proof; on the part of holders there is also firmness. East India has been in good demand at is 3d proof, and only a limited amount is on offer. Of Demerara several parcels have been disposed of, but not at better rates Is 10d to 2s 4d having been accepted for 28 to 40 per cent over proof. A tall has taken place in the value of low and mid sorts of Jamaica; there has in consequence been a good business concluded. Sales to a fair extent have been made in superior sorts at former rates. The value of 19 to 29 per cent over proof is from 2s to 2s 3d, 30 to 36 2s 4d to 3s 3d, and fine 3s 41 to 45 per gallon. Former rates are well supported for brandy. Geneva sellers are willing to accept is 8d for common export sort, and 2s 3d to 3s for fine suitable for home consumption. Former rates are supported for British made spirit. COCIIINEAL.-At auction 111 bags were only in part sold: Honduras silvers 3s 9d to 4s 4d, Mexican 3s 7d to 3s 3d, black 4s lld to 4s Id, and Teneriffe silvers black 4s to 4s 2d per lb. SALTPETRE.-Today there was more disposition evinced to make purchases in Rough, and full rates were paid. At public sale 949 bats of Calcutta were all dis posed of at 26e 6d to 27s 6d for 4i to 54 per cent refrac tion of middling and good quality. INDIGO.-The quantity of East India declared for public ompetition amounts to 6,776 chts, and the amount to be offered is 15,000 chests. Only a limited business has been concluded by exporters or home dealers, still no decline in the value has taken place. In Spanish not much busi ness has been done. TALLow.-Prices are not lower for Russian on the spot. The value of first sort P.Y.C. is 38s 6d to 39s per cwt. For delivery in the last five months of the year sales to a fair extent have been made at 39s 3d to 39s 6d, and the market is firm. Home melted finds a free sale at 37s to 38s nett cash. In the value of other sorts of Tallow little variation has taken place. At auction 300 pkgs of Australian were nearly all sold at 333 6d to 34s for low to fine; 1,220 pkgs of South American 35s to 33s 6d, damaged 29s to 35s ; 150 casks P.Y. stranded 34s 3d to 363 9d, and 147 casks of Cape, fine 3.9 s to 36s Gd. Prices are still much under those of this time in the former year, but the stocks continues extensives, and deliveries do not get much better. Rough Fat is, however, dull of sale at 2s Id. OILS.-In Cod the sales made have been upon a more extended scale at 261 per tun. Southern from 251 to 274 and superior 271 103 to 281 10s. Seal, pale, 29l to 301, straw and tinged, 371 to 38/ 103, and other sorts 251 to 261. For Sperm 721 to 73/ is the value of fine. For Linseed, the prices are on the decline, and rule 25s 3d to 25s 61 per cwt on the spot. There are sellers for delivery at 25s 61 to 25s 9d, but few buyers are met with. Rapeseed Oil, pale is offered at 37s 6d, and brown 36s 6d; there is a fair consumption. Palm met with little attention, and is de pressed in value. Sales of good and fine quality have been made at 30s to 31s, and the supply is upon a more ex tended scale. Cocoa Nut 34s to 36s for low to fine. In Olive the business concluded has been small. Gallipoli is at 411 to 411 10e, and Levant and Portugal 401 to 401 10s. Lard Oil is 38s to 395, and Ground Nut 27s to 28s per cwt. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Their Lordships met at Five o'clock. Earl STANHOPE presented petitions in favour of an amendment of the poor-laws; also for a repeal of the Sale of Beer Act. Lord STAFFORD presented a petiticn in favour o. an extention of the jurisdiction of the County Courts. BANKRUPT LAWS CONSOLIDATION BILL. Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from Glasgow in favour of the Bankruptcy Laws Consolidation Bill. Lord BROUGHAM presented petitions from Man chester, and several other commercial towns, in favour of the same measure ; also a petition from London , signed among others by eighteen bankers, who had subscribed ten guineas each towards the expenses of watching the progress of the Bill. The Noble and Learned Lord then went into a history of the Bill, which consisted of a digest of the existing laws relating to bankruptey, and of several improvements which it was proposed to introduce, many of which were most valuable and important, as ho had before explained to their Lordships. One of the most impor tant of those improvements went to prevent fiaudolent preferences in favour of relatives and others. He had rejected altogether the plan of rotation as regarded Commissioners and Registrars; he also acceded to the proposition of the Chancellor to reject the proposal for making a Chief Commissioner and a Chief Registrar, with an additional salary to each, and he proposed to reduce the number of Metropolitan Commissioners and Registrars from six to four. He also proposed to give the court the power of imprisonment in certain c ases of fraud, contumacy, or extravagance, throwing the burden of proof not upon the creditor, but the burden of dis proof on the debtor. Many persons wished to have arrest upon mense process restored under certain re strictions, because by waiting for a ju d g ment the funds of a debtor were exhausted. He objected to that, be cause thc‘ creditor under these circumstances often got too much ; and persons having bee n subjected to the magical trust of a sheriff's o fficer, often paid debts which he did not owe. The persons who proposed this revival of arrest attended the Committee and examined witnesses, and to end was that, on consideration, they determined tl ac cept the Bill as it at present stands. He also had s'reck out what in the original Bill had been called the dead men's clauses " but he proposed to shorten the proceed ings in Chancery in what was called a creditor's suit, which would be a great boon to the creditor. The Bill had met with the arproval of the mercantile classes, and they were anxious that it should pass with the least possible delay. Their Lordships might judge of the importance of the Bill when they learned that 50,000,000/. sterling a year was lost in this country by bankruptcy and insolvency. The new law would make the trades man more careful in giving credit, and would make the debtor exhibit greater honesty, greater frugality, and greater care. The Noble and Learned Lord concluded by passing a high eulogium on Mr. Miller, of the Bank ruptcy Court, who had drawn up the digest which was the foundation of the Bill. The Noble and Learned Lord concluded by moving the recommittal of the Bill. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was rejoiced to find that his Noble and Learned Friend opposite had in troduced such alterations as would ensure the support of his Noble and Learned Friend the Lord Chancellor, who wan unfortunately absent, and he felt that it was of the utmost importance that such progress should be made as should ensure the passing of the Bill during the course of the present session. (LEFT SPEAKING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS.. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. THIRD READING. The Edinburgh and Northern Railway (Formation of Slip Quay and other Works at Granton, Extension of Station at Edinburgh, Regulation of Perth Stations, and Amendment of Acts) Bill was read a third time and passed. CONSIDERATIONS OF REPORTS. On the motion for the: consideration of the report on the Lancashire and Yorkshire and London and North Western Railway Companies (Transfer of Interest in the Preston ane `Pyre Railway Harbour and Dock, and regulating the Management of the Undertaking) Bill, Mr. BROTHERTON moved that the Bill be recom mitted to the former Committee, with leave to sit and proceed tomorrow, At the suggestion of Mr. WILSON PATTEN the motion was postponed. On the motion of Sir W. SOMERVILLE, it was ordered, that the examiners of petitions for private Bills do proceed forthwith in the matter of the Dublin Im provement Bill, referred to them upon the 31st day of May last. Captain PECHELL presented a petition from Brighton in favour of Parliamentary reform. Mr. HENLEY presented petitions in favour of a national poor-rate. Mr. CHRISTOPHER presented a petition from Lincolnshire in favour of agricultural protection. Sir H. DAVIE presented a petition from the Lord Provost of Edinburgh, praying that the Borough Police Bill might be postponed. Mr. CAYLEY presented a petition from several places in Yorkshire complaining of the effect of free trade, and also petitions against the increase of licenses to beer-houses. On the motion of Mr. JOHN B. SMITH it was or dered that the petition of inhabitants, householders, and owners of property in the New North-road, Hoxton, and its vicinity, against the New North road (Continuation Act) Bill, (deposited in the Private Bill Office on the 15th day of May last) be referred to the Committee on the Bill; and that it be an instruction to the Committee to entertain the same, notwithstanding it was not de posited in the Private Bill Office within seven clear days after the second reading of the Bill, by reason of the illness of Mr. Hume, the Member to Whom it was en trusted. Mr. BURROUGIIES presented :a petition from Nor wich against the Marriage Bill, one against the nations] education grant, and one against the Affirmation Bill from the same place. BUSINESS OF TIIE HOUSE. Lord J. RUSSELL wished now to state the day on which he proposed that the House should go into Com mittee on the Irish Poor-law. He proposed that it should form the first business of the day on Friday. The Right Honourable Gentleman the Member for the University of Oxford was anxious to call the attention of the House to the affairs of Canada, and to enable him to do so, he proposed to postpone the resolution for going into supply on the votes relating to Canada till Thursday week. Mr. GLADSTONE was willing, of course, to take any day that best suited the convenience of the Govern ment, but he hoped nothing would be done in the mean time to prejudice the question. Lord JOHN RUSSELL was not aware that there could be. CLAIMS ON FRANCE. Mr. HENRY BERKELEY moved for returns of all unsettled demands on the funds provided by the Go vernment of France for the liquidating the claims of British subjects, and of the balance which remains unappropriated to the liquidation of such claims. including interest thereon; together with copies of Treasury minutes relating to the surplus fund arising out of the treaties and conventions of 1814, 1815, and 1818. between his late Britannic Majesty and the King of France (in continuation of the returns already printed by order of the House of Commons of the 2Gth day of May, 1833, 3d day of March, 1834, and the 22d day of July, 1840).—Agreed to. PARLIAMENTARY REFOR NI. Mr. lIUME, in rising to move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the national representation, by extending the elective franchise so as to include all householders, by enacting that votes shall be taken by ballot, that the duration of Parliaments shall not exceed three years, and that the apportionment of representatives be ren dered more equal to the population, said, in addressing himself to this important subject, he must ask for the indulgence of the House, as he did not feel himself physically able to go fully into it. As an old re former, addressing a reformed House of Parliament, he could speak from experience as to how unsatisfactory it was for an independent Member to address the House on subjects of reform. During the last thirty years he had scarcely ever known a private Member introduce such a subject that it was not treated as it were unworthy of the time bestowed upon it. He took a full share in the reforms of 1831, and he was happy that they had proved so successful, because their success had convinced many parties of talent and influence, who opposed them, that they had placed this country in the unenviable position it now occu pied. He was coufident, though the Reform Bill was not carried out to that extent which many expected, that it had been productive of the greatest possible benefits; that it had put an end to the direct nomination for boroughs which formerly existed; and though it had fallen short of what they anticipated, they must yet look with gratitude to the change that was produced, and thank those who had contributed to bring it about. He believed an opinion now existed very generally among those who opposed that grand proceeding, that it had been productive of much good, and had satisfied many classes who were aggravated at the state of things which then existed; and it was because he thought that reform was not carried out to the extent which it ought to go; it was because he saw in refusing to yield that which was the right of the great masses of this country ; it was on those grounds that he was induced to make the motion which was on the paper, although very unwilling to do so, for he had promised as long as he remained in the rweiftohrom fl u s o t u wo s inc t gh h a hh t h pero humblewp o o s u e l d d .o n n dl o oi t ea v leto.ar:s not 00 ts forward e p o ar e d pa s the to deny that the House, and Parliament generally, was slow in making reforms, but it was better to go slow and sure than to make rapid strides, which were liable to danger. But he was prepared to submit that which he thought was not in any way attended with danger, because it would produce great content and satisfaction among the community at large, who were anxious that it should be carried out. Every one, he believed, from the Crown to the peasant, were equally interested in having a good government. He was aware that Parliament, instead of being an engine to promote that good which was in tended, was an engine which extracted from the people a greater amount of taxation than their ci rcums t ances cou ld warrant. Under the great i mprovements, however, which had taken place,twasnol o longer oeril anynth the Ya' of any oligarchy,s on former o c ca s i ons , to di cta t e to Sovereign, who had now t h e u to a c l r s ac , po wer of choosi n g her own Ministers.— (Hear , hear.) Up to the Reform Bill the Sovereigns of thi s country o p l o a w s , s e r of f f anyind aristocracy, had b eie n an tl d re tn le e a e di x n p g md st i r tn in r g e w of hi t o h h e o w l a ig s ar o c a h r y ri , ed an o d ii th in the the revenue different establishments had reference more large were to ,er them, hem not , and at a llthe taken to their ow n individual interests, and the interests o belongingusenityat in terests of into account. Now, he would say, that unless P a rliam en t was w h a t it purported to be — unless it represented the whole po pulation —it was defective in its constitution. He did no t say that any proposition o f hi s cou ld ma k e tfhteh community o c ro la m s perfect; but where they had evidence of acts of injustice co mmitted in regard to th e r i g ht s o f t h ose w h o ought to participate and have a s h are i n th e elections to that House, ho did say that every pro position Parliamen t that would tend to improve that Par , o ught to be supported by the House, and M i nis t e rs beyond all oth ers; th ey had taken an oa th to her Majesty to support such measures as would tend to the s ecurit y of th e Throne, and the welfare of the communit y at large. He would ask w i t h the reflection that they had acted as d faithful advisers of the Crown , to allow Ministers if t he y could lay their heads on their pillows those h ones t an a state o f discontent to exist w h ich at times had tlaicatenc their situation , and h ad ta k en the oath s they Lad taken , be c ould not lay his head upon Lis pillow, d ' a n as a Ministe r of the Crown, that lie had don e his duty. lie recollected Mr. Canning, on a m o ti on forwar d by a late Member for Westminster (Si r rte d alarming consequences? Were he (M r . Hume) in brought I take my stand against ell reform; I am for the F. Burdett) e t my up in . his place, and say" As fir me rotten boroughs; I wish to maintain them, and I do so because England has enjoyed a greater proportion of under the system which has existed than in continental powers; but (said Mr. Canning) I aUgnrifPoueirrithihi prosperity , Parliament has been ready to meet the cir cumstances of the times, and I will uphold, until I sec reason for thinking otherwise, Ca' ton and Old Sarum as the:bulwarks of the Constitution."—(A laugh.) He (fir. Hume) had visited Old Sarum a few days previously, and seen not even a house there, and nothing but an old building for protecting the fort ; and he asked Yr. Can ning if that was a place to be represented. Ile replied, no ; but it is prcperty, and property ought to be represented. As to Gatton and Old Sarum, and all the other rotten places, they were AM removed; and at the 895 LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING JUNE 5 , 1849. have thrown to the winds; nor to what fell from Eirl Grey, when he iniroflueed the Ref rni Bill; and be would only I ga ..t • le leielee. t i ). whole Bill, aro nothing but the Bill.—(Hear.) Al though he would not (as he dad said) read the Noble i Lord's (Lord John Russell':) speech, he would just state that the Noble Lord said every man undee our constitution was considered to be represented in the House of Commons, that he was considered to have a share in the election of those who made laws affecting his life and property ; and, therefore, he recommended a reform, certainly not to the extent he (Mr. Hume) wished to go, but the principle argued by the rule laid down went to show that what he proposed was right. There was one view in a bieh he thought the question ought to be sub mitted to the House—viz , that things were not remaining stationary, and that materials were being collected which must explode unless some timely remedy was adopted. The population of the country in round numbers numbered about twenty millions ; there were three millions of adults ; and yet the Lumber of eh ctors only amounted to 126,000. Eut of the eight millions of the people of Ireland there were only 40,000 electors. From the returns of 1836, it appeared there were only one elector to 51 male adults; and since then the population had increased, and the relative num bers might now be taken at one elector to ten adults. The increase was not in the agricultural but in the ma nufaeturing districts, where the people were, from their intelligence, more capable of exercising the franchise. In no disturbance that had taken place had the working classes of this country shown any disposition to plunder the property of their superiors; they had innumerable examples to the country; and would the House refuse to those men, what had been given to the very Lazzarini of Italy ? 'What did the inequality consist in? He had made a comparison be tween the great and small constituencies. Belied taken 16 boroughs containing a population of 2,917,000, being one-half of the whole borough population of England. Those 16 boroughs returned 32 members. He wished the House to compare them with 23 small boroughs, where there were only 1000900 inhabitants, and yet they returned as many Members as that immense population in the former 16 boroughs.—(Hear, hear.) Now, could any man say that was a fair participation in the elective franchise to which all were entitled by the Con stitution?—(Hear, bear.) He aske 1 a lair partici pation not as a favour, but as a constitutional right. Would any man place himself in the situation of any one of those who were deprived of those rights and see how he would act, if he was compelled to re main in that situation. What were the consequences of the struggle ? Why the Chartists ; and they even took the alarm.—(Laughter.) Was it not time to put an end to that state of things. He found there were 85 different kinds of qualification for the electors of this country, from potwallopers to ten pounders Did not that lead to enormous expense, trouble, delay, and complexity beyond anything that could be conceived ? 330 out of the 658 Members of which the House con sisted represented 3,127,000, and 238 23,817,000. The larger number for the majority showed that on the aver age each Member represented,9,soo electors, and that each of the minority represented 70,000 voters. Now this was called the people's House. Many men were so brazen-faced as to contend that it really was what it was styled.—(Laughter.) The aristocracy had or.e House of their own, and he saw no reason why they should possess that House also. Under the present system they, how ever, possessed that House also.—(Hear. hear,) Was it likely, when they put so many out of their doors— only admitting one out of every eight, that either property or the Crown could continue to be respected. Of what class did these consist of whom they excluded. Many of the aristocracy favoured the establishment of baths, washhouses, and lodging-lhouses, but he found that they were the very persons who ould admit them within the portals of the constitution, and raise them in ihe;eecial scale. Give them their rights and they would work out their cwn redemption. The Honourable Member then referred to a speech delivered by Lord Ashley on the presentation of prizes for essays on the Sabbath, in which he much complimented the ability and morality of the working classes. Yet that Noble Lord would not Live the people theme rights which would enable them to accomplish all this for themselves, be cause it would enable them to direct and feel an interest in the welfare of the country, elevating them, therefore, in the social CLEFT SPEAKING.] THE LONDON GAZETTE. (THIS EVENING.) WHITEHALL, JUNE 4, 1849. The Queen has been pleased to direct letters patent to be passed under the Great Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, granting the dignity of a Marquis of the said United Kingdom to James Andrew Earl of Dalhousie, Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle, Governor-General of India, and the heirs male of his body, lawfully begotten, by the name, style, and title of Marquis of Dalhousie, of Dalhousie Castle, in the county of Edinburgh, and of the Punjaub. The Queen has also been pleased to direct letters patent to be passed under the Great Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, granting the dig nity of a Viscount of the said United Kingdom to Lieut. General Hugh Baron Gough, Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath, and General and Commander•in-Chief of her Majesty's forces i❑ the East Indies, and to the heirs male of his body, lawfully be gotten, by the name, style, and title of Viscount Gough, of Goojerat, of the Punjaub, and of the city of Limerick. FOREIGN-OFFICE, MAY 30. The Queen bas been graciously pleased to appoint Stephen Henry Suliven, Esq., now Secretary to her Majesty's Lugation at Munich, to be her Majesty's Chi:4 . 6 d'Affaires and Consul-General in the Republic of Chili. The Queen has also been graciously pleased to ap point Alfred Guthrie Bonar, Esq., now Paid Attaci ó to her Majesty's Legation at Dresden, to be Scretary to her Majesty's Legation at Munich. DOWNING-STREET, JUNE 5. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Felix Beding field, Esq., to be Master of the Supreme Civil Court for the Island of Trinidad. WHITEHALL, JUNE 4. The Queen has been pleased to present the Honour able and Reverend Charles Leslie Courtenay, M.A., to the vicarage of Bovey Tracey, in the county of Devon, and diocese of Exeter, the s Arne being void by the ces sion of the Reverend John Macaulay, M.A., the last incumbent. CROWN-OFFICE, JUNE 4. MEMBER RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT PARLIAMENT. County of Limerick—Samuel Dickson, Esq., in the room of W►lliam Smith 013rien, who has been adjudged guilty of high treason. Commission signed by the Lord-Lieutenant of Shropshire. Shropshire Regiment of Militia The Right Hon. Rowland Viscount Hill to be Colonel, vice Colonel Gatacre, resigned. a Commission by the Lord• Lieutenant of Staffordshire. The Queen's Own Royal Regiment of Staffordshire Yeomanry Cavalry—The llon. Charles Tuhn Talbot, commonly called Viscount Ingestre, to be Lieutenant, May 22. OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, JUNE 2. Corps of Royal Engineers—First Lieutenant Albert O'Donnell Gratton to be Second Captain, vice Da Costa, deceased; Second Lieutenant Charles Augustus Rice to be First Lieutenant, vice Gratton, Feb. 26. BANKRUPTCY SUPERSEDED. Charles Stewart, builder, Little St. James'-street, St. St. James's, Middlesex. William Shackel, bacon merchant, Canning-place, Old-street, St. Luke's. BANKRUPTS. John Myers Levine and Mark Levison, jewellers, Norwich. William Ridge, corn (haler, Pimlico. Ilenry Watkin, draper, Newport, Shropshire. William Towse, oil and e)lourman, Wokingham, Berkshire. George Savage, grocer, East Dean, Sussex. Joseph Ellis, wine and spirit merchant, Pontypool. Ebaworthy Tapson, coal agent, Cardiff. Giles Dixon, butter factor, Uffeulme, Devonshire. John Quigley, victualler, Chester. John Morris, druggist, Brecon. Eiward Weston Lemm, tailor, Princes-street, Han over-square. John Haskins Gandell, railway contractor. West minster. Isaac Perry Cartwright, chemist, Nantwicb, Cheshire. John Turnill and William Waterhouse, carpenters, Denbigh. street, Pimlico. THE WEATHER.—The weather continues highly favourable. The crops begin to make a splendid ap pearance. There never was a finer prospect of an abundant harvest.—Carlisle Patriot. UXBRIDGE YEOMANRY CAVALRY.-- This corps, under the command of Captain de Burgh, met for five days' training and exercise on the 29th, finishing with a review on Saturday, after which an excellent dinner was given to the men by the officers. Cornet Sleigh, who has just joined, and was formerly in her Majesty's 77th Regiment, passed a high compliment on the corps for its general efficiency. The races in conjunction with this corps, we understand, will take place early in August. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, June 4. CALEDONIAN RAILWAY. Lord MONTEAGLE rose to present a petition from the shareholders of the Caledonian Railway complaining of the misappropriation of the funds of the company which had been invested in speculations with other companies by the directors. The Noble Lord inti mated that when the Bill for th, extension of this lino came before their Lordships he should ask them to reject it, as he thought their Lordships ought to express their opinion upon the conduct of these directors. Lord BROUGHAM quit e concurre d i n th e v i ew taken of this matter by his Noble F r i en d, to whom the public were much indebted fo r th e watc hf u l ness w hi c h ho dis played in respect t o ra il way a ff a i rs . He (Lord Brougham) had be en t aunte d f or not b r i ng ing in a mea sure on the subject of railway audit of accounts; but ho did not do so. He did not wish to take the matter out of the hands of his Noble Friend, who was so well able to deal with it. He should certainly assist his Noble Friend to prevent the second reading of the Caledonian Bill from passing their Lordships' House after the state ment that had been made by his Noble Frienc.i. period of which he spoke, defective although that House was in its rcpresentstifin, still it steed at thi top of the ladder am no reeri sentetive government =taco in Europe could say that the re was a ereater n < c.f popular power or ot popular representation existing than existed at that time in England. The times were changed, and they had to consider whether they ought not now to make other changes. When his llo nourable Friend Mr. Duncombe brought in a Bill to repeal the rate-paying clauses, which formed a great impediment to the workieg of the Reform Bill, it was thrown out by Ministerial influence. Ha (Mr. Hume) recollected the Noble Lord rallied his Hon. Friend on the danger of interfering with the Bill that had passed, and talked about progressive reform. What had been the Noble Lord's progressive reform since that? Why, the Noble Lord gave notice of his intention of bringing in a Bill for repealing the tax-paying clauses so far as they related to the assessed taxes. He (Mr. flume) thought the proceedings of the two last years had been perfectly delusive, and therefore he canto to the conclusion that the Noble Lord and his colleagues, reformers as they were in his day, had made up their minds to stand fast by the Reform Bill. They wcre now at the very bottom of the ladder of representative government, and that which had been supposed dangerous to Englishmen had been conceded to Frenchmen and to almost every continental country.— (" Hear, hear," from Lord J. Russell.) Look at the result What had the result been? The result had arisen from the reckless conduct of the sovereign of France, who, having agreed to reform, grossly violated his faith. He appealed to any man whether this had not been so ? Let them mark the progress of universal suffrage in other countries, and its growth in our own. In other countries, where it had been con ceded to the people, had there been any alarm ? No! On the contrary, the returns at recent elections showed a preponderance of the Conservative party. Though the people of these countries had been up to the time when they were endowed with the right unaccus tomed to popular institutions, they Lad exercised the right, to speak justly of them, in the most praiseworthy manner. The Noble Lord was the first to cheer his interrogatory. Look at the result ? Why, if he looked to the condition of Prussia, of Vienna, he could not fail to be struck with the result of the conduct of the " dear darling Sovereigns," who, after taking solemn oaths on the-altars of their country, to concede reform to the people, openly broke those solemn asseverations. Those were the parties against whom the Noble Lord should direct his complaints and taunts, and not the people who had been outraged, and who had no interest at heart beyond that of the whole mass of the population. Of late, hohever, he had not heard the ar gument broached that the people could not be trusted with the unlimited exercise of the suffrage.—(Hear, hear.) Indeed they were obliged to arm against the people to awe them from arising in their might, and de manding their rights in a way which could not be refused,—(Hear, hear.) He looked with deep regret upon this, because he recollected the days wl.en the Kings of this country could trust the preservation of the peace of the country to the keeping of their own people, and the peace was in those days preserved by such means. He recollected the time when the military was kept up to pro tect the country from foreign invasion, and when garrisons in other lands were simply kept up to protect places likely to be attacked by foreigners, when the only display made by the military were recruiting par ties; when the expenditure in respect of the military establishments was from 25,0001. to 26,000/., and when the Noble Lord (Lord Palmerston), when Secretary at War (as we understood), stated before a Committee that he only required military for foreign countries, and that he was content to trust the preservation of the peace to the people. Instead of the Government adopting means whereby they might repose in t h e affections and respect of the people, they adopted coercive and harsh measures. In 1799, Mr. Pitt, who was then in power, studied economy in the government of the State; the military cost but e 5,000!., and the whole expense ot the Civil Government was limited to 12,000/. or 13,006/. They had then very few barracks; now there were bar racks in almost every town. Last year, for instance, 100,0001. was spent in building_ barracks at Preston, because they feared that the people would. rise, and the whole country was covered with barracks— not to attack our enemies abroad, but to coerce and keep down the people at home. They had, for instance, twenty barracks scattered throughout the country, for no other purpose than the one he had stated. lie appealed to the House, then, to protect the commonweal, which would effect far more than bristling bayonets and pointed artillery. What was it done for ? From the fear of reform. He admitted that there were ardent and wild Reformers, but because there were was no reason against their taking the claims of the people into consideration. In 1792 the taxation was 16,000,0004, now it was 60,000,000/., so that it had been quadrupled. The debt had been increased from the beginning of the war, from 230,000,000/. to 800,000,000/. He did not blame any one, but he declared this lay u p on the oligarchy, who dreaded the spread of democratic pri nci p les, which drove them to a war against France, and brought that enor mous burden upon the people, which, unless so:ne relief was given, must press them down Wen men were well employed and well fed, matters pro gressed things went on well; but let a change take place, and then the convulsion came. Why not, then, take this opportunity, and prevent such catastrophies by checking the extravagant expenditure of the State. He appealed to If on. Gentlemen who represented counties, and par ticularly those in the south, where men and their fami lies were subsisting upon 7s. and 8a per week to join him in the reform movement. If they were true Conservatives they would do so at once, for nothing could preserve the institutions of the country so much us timely concessions and wise changes.—(Hear.) He regretted that he was not in the House the other night when the miscellaneous estimates were under consideration, for then he should have had an opportunity of attacking the civil-list which was one great cause of the enormous increase which had of late years taken place in the burdens of the country. The course, however, he was disposed to take upon that subject was to make an appeal to the Soverei g n ; yotuhethessuibvjilect, and say to her— list, but l e t us s ee in what he would ask the House to address her expended." Let the m se t an exa m p l e by Majesty na;aalyVkienitggriasrnetodenudctions at the fountain head. In the extravagant reign of George IV. the civil was referred to a Select and list was increased to an enormous amount, on the succession matterat his d th ea e th, William IV., Committee, and the Civil List fixed at 385,0004 Now, he thought it due to her Majesty to state, that out of all e b r ut that sum, only 60,000/. was at her own disposal. The re maining 325,000/. was spent by the Lord Chancellor, the Lord Chamberlain, the Lord Steward, and the-Master of the Horse. No doubt many of the servants of the Palace were maintained out of it, but he believed many of those servants were my Lord this and my Lady that, who had only duties to attend about once in two or three months. This was not the way to spend the money of the country ; and therefore, without interfering with the votes of the foreign or other departments, in the first instance let them rather address her Majesty on the subject. Let them remind her that this was not a fit state of things while the eye, passing along the unions of England, Scotland, and Ireland, would find four millions of people in an absolute state of destitution. In such a state of things there ought not to be expenditure of 320,000/. in keep ing a system of tawdry finery; a more simple style ot living would better become the Sovereign wlhile there was so much suffering in the country.— (Hear.) The other ; reght ho was at the Lord Mayor's dinner, where he met the ambassador of Constantinople, and au excellent friend of his who had been appointed to go to the United States as the repre sentative of this country, but he declared ho was almost afraid to speak to them, as he could only do so through the instrumentality of tawdry-laced footmen.—(A laugh.) and so it was with the Ministers of State, who never went out without the attendance of taudily dressed footmen, whose general appearance only served to please and excite the admiration of children.—(A laugh.) He did not consider the sum of 60,000/. at the private disposal of the Queen too much, considering the calls that were made upon her charity—(Hear, hear) b u t when he saw how the other establishment of the Court were kept up, the gold lace and tinsel that was frittered away from the pockets of the people, he thought the time wes come when they ought to have a House of Commons who would address her j M nesty on the subject of such useless and wasteful expenditure. He would therefore begin at the head, and in saying that he was sure that her Majesty would be the first to say that her people ought not to he so un necessarily pressed upon, and that he would willingly yield to the suggestion of the House of Commons Now, as a proof of what might be done, if only properly attempted, he would say, look at Belgium. When mat ters were represented in the proper quarter there, the franchise was extended immediately, and every public officer reduced his salary one-third towards the urgency of the State. Look again at the case of the p resen t King of Wurtensburgh, whose father was over head and ears in debt. When the present Ring azcsnded the throne he reduced his establishments one- half, and for which he obtained the love and affec tion of all his subjects. He thought the time had now come when similar steps should be adopted in England , and for th at purpose he asked that the House of Commons should be made the real representation of the people--(gear hear.) - Unless they changed the pre sent system of the House of Commons, no good could be done.—(Hear, hear.) The present House might be seized with fits of economy; but they would not be permanent.—(llcer, bear.) The change of the system of election was the only way to make things permanent in this country.—(Hear.) He longed to see that state of things return to this country which existed in th e time of Eli z abeth, who, when asked where were her troops, answered that her troops were her sub jects•—(llear, bear.) lle contended that Parliament did not represent the different communities that existed in this country, and if Parliament would only allow him to bring in the Bill, the details might be settled afterwards. There was a diffi culty even among his own friends to find those that would agree with every measure that he pro poscd--(Laughter)—but if the House would allow him to bring in the Bill he would endeavour to modify his views to meet the wishes of all parties.—(Hear, hear.) Ii the people were to have a share in the representation of the country, they ought to have it effectually. If they were to do justice to the people they must extend the suffrage.—(Hear, hear.) Every man that had a house over his head ought to have a voice in the representa tion in that house.—(dear, hear.) . But while he was anxious to extend and bring within the pale of the Constitution those who ought to have a vote, he thought they ought to have the opportunity of voting secretly, namely, by the ballot.—(Hear, hear.) Having stated what his view of the condition was, he would not read the opinions expressed by the Noble Lord below hint (Lord J. Russell), which of lute years lie seemed to After a few observations from Lord Wharne)iffe, and the Duke of Bueeleu Montengle, Lord [Oh, th , . convrrsa- linpp,:d, and the Lord,BROUGHAM then presented a petition, pray ing for en extension of the powers of the County Courts. The Noble Lord then presented a petition from the As sociated Carpenters of Finsbury, stating that they were in distress, and praying for the establishment of home colonies, and for an advance of a loan from the Treasury to Support the formation of such colonies, whieh they looked upon as tue most effective means of relieving their present distress. The Noble and Learned Lord said, that while he sympathised with the petitioners on account of their distresses, he yet could not support the prayer of their petition, as he did not think home colo nies would produce the effect intended, nor did he think that the Treasury had money to spare for the purposes proposed by tLe petitioners. The Apprehension of Deserters Bill then passed through Committee. Lord PORTMAN moved the second reading of the Landlord and Tenants Bill, which came up from the House of Commons, and where the provisions of the Bill were fully explained. After a few words from the Bishop of ST. ASAPH, Lord BEAUMONT objected to the Bill, which he believed to be an unwise measure. He begged to move that it be read a second time that day six months. Lord CAMPBELL supported the principle of the Bill, but thought it might be amended in Committee. After a few words from the Earl of WICKLOW, their Lordships divided, when there appeared— Contents ... 9 Non-contents . . 5 Majority for the second reading... —4 Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 4. INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL. (Continued from our Third Edition of last night.) Mr. SADLEIR had the misfortune to take a very dif ferent view of .he measure before the House from that of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman who had preceded him. To the principle of the Incumbered Estates Act of last session, as reflected in its preamble, he had given an unqualified support, though he objected to some of its details. His Hon. and Learned Friend took a very narrow view of the Bill before the House. He seemed to think in passing this Bill the House would be destroying a vast deal of the property in Ireland; but if his Hon. and Learned Friend had known what were the practices of the Master's office in Ireland, he would not have spoken as he had done in respect of its being supers: ded. So far as the appointment of the Commissioners was concerned, he cared not what these gentlemen might be, provided they were active, intelligent, business men, who would efficiently do their duty, and, whether they did so on the principles of the Court of Chancery or no, should they do it expeditiously, he was alike careless. Were they to do their duty, he was, however, certain the measure would be the means of rescuing a large amount of the property in Ireland from the useless state in which it now lay; as at present, the character and conditions of sale propounded by the Court of Chancery were the means of scaring away purchasers from those incumbered properties, and therefore they continued useless. He therefore supported the third reading of the Bill, because it took up bolder ground than the Bill of last session. But he would at the some time call atten tion to some defects in it. One of these was as re garded life-renters, and to take it out of their power to put the Act in operation, as it was impossible t? bring within the compass of this Act estates so situated. Why should not the tenant for life be empowered to take the initiative, and sell the inheritance for the benefit of the life-renters; and why, also, should the creditor of the tenant for life be shut out from par ticipating in the proceeds? If that were done they would be really facilitating the sale of incumbered es tates in Ireland. He also thought that the powers of the Commissioners were too limited. They had not the power of compelling the attendance of witnesses, or the production of deeds, except by a most circuitous route. It would likewise produce a most salutary and beneficial effect in Ireland were the Commissioners empowered immediately to expose for sale those estates which were hung up in the Courts of Chancery and Equity in Ire land.—(Hear.) The most serious objection he had to that measure was in consequence of the professional ab sentee proprietors of Ireland; and he regretted the Bill was not so framed as to afford them an advantageous mode of disposing of their incumbered property. It was thought by many that it mattered not to the tenantry whether their landlords received their rents on the banks of the Thames or the Tagus; but he very widely differed from them, because ho believed that nothing tended more to the peaceful, social, and religious habits of the people than the presence and attention of their land lords, He, therefore, hoped that Government would use their powerful influence -to induce those absentees to part with some of their property by some clauses in the Bill, which would mainly tend to the advancement of the people of Ireland. He would allude to the words of the Right Hon. Memb er f or T amwor th, in reply to Sir J. Newport, in 1816, when he (Sir R. Pee]) was then Secretary for Ireland, and the representative of an Irish constituency, and had therefore the means and power of judging what would be beneficial to that country. "If I were to say from what measure good would accrue to Ireland, I would say that the compulsion of the landlords to reside there would be better than any proposition that could come from any other party; for he believed that the presence of the landlords would do more good for the preservation of the peace and laws of that country than any other system." Again, this opinion is corroborated by that of Chief Justice Black burne, r. hen examined before a Committee of the House of Lords, which was to the following effect, that much injury arose to the tcnantry of Ireland in consequence of the absence of the proprieto - rs.—(Hear.) The number of absentee landlords was rapidly increasing, for if any of them wished to evade the poor-law tax he had only to go to France, spend the proceeds of his property there, and thus escape all social and political responsibility. The en tire acreage of the county of Kerry amounts to 100,983 acres; of this 92,983 acres belong to four absentees, and half of the remaining 8,000 acres also belong to persons not resident in that country for many years. lie, there fore, considered that the Government would bring for- ward some measure this• session, for it would be impos sible, under the two judgment acts to which ho before ad verted, to dispose of incumbered estates in Ireland, and if not, capitalists will never be found to purchase those estates. He then said he would support the Bill. Mr. HENLEY said that from the speech of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Sadleir), he expected that he would move that the Bill be re-committed, but instead of that he (Mr. Sadleir) said that he would support the third reading of it, though all his remarks were strongly op posed to it. He (Mr. Sadleir) also stated that the pre sent measure would be as inoperative as the Bill of last session was; thus after cutting it up in every possible manner, he informed the House he would support it. He had three reasons for opposing the third reading. Ono was, that there was much of the incumbered pro perty that should be set loose for the benefit of Ireland, wThic - h was not at to be effected by this Bill, for there was much property in that country that was without marketable titles and prices. Another objection was, that the Commissioners whose appointment this Bill pro vides for, are not to act openly and publicly, and, of course, might be subjects, through ex-parte statements and one-sided testimony, to prejudices against those whose interests are most involved; he therefore feared that the Commissioners might, by a jealous and annoyed people, become suspected of jobbing. Again, he did not see that any national object would be gained by taking the distribution of the funds from the proper tribunals of the country, and placing it in the hands of Commissioners, from whose decision and functions there could be no appeal. He should, therefore, op pose it, because he did not think it would 'secure its object. Mr. SADLEIR briefly explained that he did not sup port the present Bill to strengthen the Bill of last s(s siou, for the latter he believed to be inoperative. Tie SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that he should only refer to the leading points of the Bill. He cer tainly believed that the details alluded to by the Hon. Member (Mr. Sadleir) should have been debated on in Committee, and not on the third reading of the Bill, and that if it were his (Mr. Sadleieb) opinion that the mea sure did not go far enough, that he would have the op portunity next session, when the Bill would be tested, in case of a failure, to. bring in his measure. He also con sidered, though contrary to the opinion of the Hen. Member opposite (Mr. Henley), that it was confined to ineumberelf estates, and shouldsay to him and to the Honourable and Learned Member for the University of Dublin (Mr. Napier) with respect to the non-iu terlerence of the law courts, that the Lord Chan cellor of Ireland expressed his full satisfaction with the present measure, and that it did not at all reflect incompetency on either the Court of Chancery or the Court of Exchequer, for there were many matters Connected with incumbered estates that the Court of Chancery could not easily disentangle to the satisfaction of all perties. He thought it much better to appoint three persons who understood tho subject, and who would lay down their reasons without that species of legal technicalities that always incumber the sale of land.—(Hear, hear.) He always thought that those difficulties that had been alluded to would not be found in the working of the present measure, for there are only two classes, the disputed and the undisputed class; and, should any doubt at any time arise to those three persons, they could have access to the opinions of any of the courts they might wish to consult for the more prompt and ready administration of their duties. Be also believed that the Bill would facilitate the means of procuring purchasers, and that nothing would be wanted to secure its success. The propositions con tained in the Bill had met with very genertti approba tion, and there was no quarter front which any sugges tion bad emanated to the effect that, when carried into practice, it would not prove productive of benefit. The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman concluded by ac knowledging the assistance he had derived from an esteemed friend of his, Mr. Colsan, in his effort to re vive and regenerate the rights of property in Ireland. The House then divided, when there appeared— For the third reading ll7 Against it l2 Majority for the Bill Tho Bill was then read a third time and passed. The question having been put that the House should resolve itself into a Committee of Supply, Sir H. W. BARRON asked the Noble Lord at the head of the Goverment whether ho meant to move, on Friday next, the Committee on the Poor Relief (Ireland) Bill ? Lord J. RUSSELL answered in the affirmative. SUPPLY—MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES.. The House then resolved itself into a Committee of Supply, Mr. BERNAL in the chair. The following votes were agreed to:- 110,117/. fur superannuation allowances and cempen sation to persons who had been employed in the public service. 4,100/. for the relief of American loyalists and other charges, 2,0e0/. for the National Vaccine Establishment. 2.0(1)1. for the ll, , rnge for the DPstitnte.. 90:)/. tcen ptopo3cfl renti ut -1,, refu - gees, Mr. REPTON said he thought it was time Pr them to put an end to these Polish grants. He trusted he would bo supported in his opposition to the vote by those gentlemen who had of late raised so great a cry throughout the country in favour of financial reform. It was unnecessary for him to remind the Committee of tho prominent part which the Poles had taken in the revolntionary movements on the Continent during the last twelve months; in all those movements they had been prominent and distinguished actors—(" Hear, heat' from some Honourable Member on the Ministerial side of the House.) Hon. Gentlemen opposite might cheer that statement; but he should remind them that there might be a difference of opinion as to the value of the notoriety which had thus been securer]. He did iior, however, wish to say a word against the Poles in this country who were the recipients of that grant. He W . lieved that many of them were very excellent men; and one of them, a nobleman who had distinguished himself by his exertions for the relief of distress in the sister country, was universally respected. But he certainly thought that the Committee ought to insist on receiving some information as to who were the recipients of thas grant, and what was the mode in which it was dis• tributed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that a considerable revision of the list of the recipients of that graut had taken place since last year. The names of some of the parties had been struck out; others had resigned; and to a third class it had been arranged that no relief should be given beyond the present year. The estimate of the grants to the Polish refugees last year had been 8,7001.; this year, it was 7,390 L; and at the expiration of this year it would be reduced to 2,833 1 . He trusted the Committee would not withdraw the pre" posed maintenance from parties who, if they were not Se relieved, would necessarily become chargeable to the dil ferent parishes as casual poor. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished to know if vacancies in the list were filled up ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that they were not. The vote was then agreed to. A sum of 6,423/. having been proposed for Protestant Dissenters, and other miscellaneous allowances, formerly payable out of the civil list. Mr. C. LUSHINGTON said he had given notice at the commencement of the session that he should u ppose any renewal of the regium donum. He found that w hen the grant had been proposed last year a very strong op.. position had been made to it, both out of doors and-0 that House. But he was surprised to perceive thsS during the present session the Dissenters had observed 11 complete silence upon that subject. Dist year petition's had been presented from most influential bodies of Din' minters against a continuance of the grant; but this year there had been but one solitary petition to that effect from one obscure village in Derbyshire. Under these circumstances he felt very much puzz'ed what course 0. adopt. He believed, however, on giving his beet 000 1 ' 3 deration to the matter, that he should bo acting herr: perly in opposing a grant to the dissenting body to whicD_ they had themselves ceased to object. Mr. WYLD said he understood that the sum of 1,604 which was proposed in that vote for Protestant Disseu` ters, was not the regium donum, although it was a sum for the same purpose. He believed the Dissenters wer as much oppposed as ever to the grant, and that the *6l reason they had not continued to petition against it let that they saw very little use i n a dd ress i ng t h e i r prOYera, to that House. He found by a Parliamentary rottsr2 that the sum voted under this head, and distributo r* amongst the clergymen of three denominations—lnde pensents, Presbyterians, and Baptists, did not give more" than 225. for each. What/ substantial relief could suet"' assistance afford? The Dissenters of England reps' dieted the grant, over which they had no control, ST he hoped the Noble Lord at the head of the Goveruniesw if he would not consent to abandon it on the present oe casion, would give a pledge that this insult to the dif; senting body would be discontinued. If not, he shouP feel compelled to divide the Committee. Lord J. RUSSELL could certainly give no pledge, tho kind. So far from this gr a nt b e i ng f orce d on li) . ; Dissenters, the applications for assistance from it vies . numerous, and it was distributed by Dr. Rees and othoil of great respectability as a matter of ch ar ity. It tie d been given ever since the time of Geor ge I. ; fi rs t out; ) e the civil list, and subsequently by Parliament. P t could not, therefore, give any pr om i se th a t t he gr.° l would be withdrawn. Mr. B. SMITH wished to , know whether the o°. vernment had any objection to f urn i s h a li st of I " .° recipients ? Mr. WYLD expressed his regret that the Noble Lod should persevere in refusing t o remove t hi s st i gma an!: the dissenting body, who had always regarded LP" Noble Lord with the most sincere respect. Could th e Noble Lord point to a single dissenting congregati 66l which would acknowledge that any of its ministers xt • emu' to relief from this grant? The recipients were u o to be found among the three classes of Dissenters 1. ; which he had referred. The Wesleyans did not recoil one farthing of it. Mr. BRIGHT said that nothing could be mere errc'; neous than the inference that because no petitions be". been presented, therefore the opini o n s o f th e Dissenti had relaxed on the subj ec t o f th e grant. They 133.4 made a considerable eff or t l as t year , an d probably WA' make another two or three years hence. With regard l°, furnishing the names of th e rec ipi ents , he thought i" most unconstitutional that th ousan d s o f the publ,'° money should be distributed amongst persons of whet/, they knew nothing. Until the na mes were f urn i s bol' he for one would never believe that a thousand Distal" ; ing ministers had received relief f rom thi s source . could promise the Noble Lord that the first list would ; 11 c : the last; for either the parties would b e d e t e rred frq„ applying again by the force of publi c o pi n i on , or the ti?'. seating bodies to which they b e l onge d wou ld make whatever might be necessary to maintain them in as '- dependent and honourable position. Mr. W. J. FOX said this was perhaps the only . 1 ° in the estimates which was opposed. by its nominal 'r e ' it plants. If the money must be granted, at all events ought to be placed in the hands of those who represent 0 , the dissenting bodies for whose benefit it professed to n o The present mode of distribution was peculiarly ope n abuse, of which instances were within his own 103° - ledge. It was at a ll ti mes ma d e t h e means of conferrilo% undue influence on certain individuals, and was not 8 0 . frequently used for the promotion of political ends. o il sides this, it was a violati on o f a pr i nc i p l e to which, OS dissenters were firmly a tt ac h e d— name l y, t h at no g""01 of public money ought to be made f or th e prom otion: any particular system of theology. Mr. KERSHAW said he had taken some pall :T ao ascertain the parties amongst wh om thi s gran t Was 0.4 tributed, but without success ; and th e conc l u sion., yo therefore forced upon him that it must e ith er be fl' . ,' to to unworthy objects, or to indi v id ua l s no t belo nging,, the dissenting ministry at all. With regard to tba os sf leged alteration in the f ee li ngs o f th e di ssenters , he 'no that since last year very s t rong reso l ut i ons h a d b passed by those bodies against the grant. ta Lord J. RUSSELL certainly did not think it rig as give the names of those amongst whom the mono/ - l ot distributed; for he agreed with the Hon. M e mber go Manchester in thinking that to publi s h th em wo uld ""i0 put a speedy end to the list. It would be the same !l eo , persons of any denomination to whom alms were g li o, If to any of these it were said—"l will give yoti but I will publish your name in the votes of the WO of Commons," who would accept th e boo n ? He &l o t that the distribution of the money was made subserv'a to political purposes, or for the purpose of est : ibliso io 3 any sort of connexion between the dissenting bodies 51 the state, or, indeed, for any objects w h atever bell" those of Charity. I,ina Mr. BRIGHT still objected t o this hems Focus ,P,„41 of system, under which no one could tell how the si was distributed. The Noble Lord said it would u- g g e pity to expose the parties who participated in it; b e o ,ao seemed to forget that he was not dealing with bis s " • money, but with th at o f the public.--(Hear, he are c l na the Noble Lord choee to give Si. to the Church of land, or any other church, every day, he had no obje t ' it to it; but he had the greatest objection to his taltteg i w from those funds of which th e Ch ance ll or of the ere chequer was the trustee for the nation, an d w hi c h with difficulty raised by taxes on the community' iv' whom they often pressed with great inequality enep justice. If the Noble Lord was as much a Diesen Se i, r a ed he used to be—(Laughter)—he-believed the Noble we e used to attend a dissenting c h a p e l unt il Hon. G eljtj !f th° opposite put a stop to it— (Ch eers and laughter)--1 t he Noble Lord kn ew as we ll as h e (Mr. Bright) did, t of feeling of Di ssen t ers , h e would be aware that a g ran this kind was not in accordanae with their policy. The Committee divided, when there appeared— . For the vote For the amendment 33 Majority The vote. was then agreed to, as were also -1,0001. for the Dublin Fever Hospital 12,0934 for the House of Industry, Dublin. On the vote of 8002 for the Female Orphan AsY lti at rie'll . Mr. FAGAN complained that the•vot e was not distributed among the female orphan children of vt! c ee The children received in the asllum were e d ee aten v o elusively in the Established religion, and wh e n chilu t o of the Roman Catholic religion were brought bite 00 institution, he knew that they were brought up ,0 1 05 religion of the Established Church. He contendeouog • the Roman Catholic population were entitled to 6 , 6 " t 0e in the grant, and he should feel it his duty to divi a ." e r i c ua Committee on the grant, unless his Right lion' fl re the Secretary for Ireland would give him somoass l 7 o l o that the Catholic orphans of Ireland would peru c ' in the grant. Sir W. SOMERVILLE admitted that the vot e o af of an exclusive c h aracter. It had been voted for lt..;iao, long time, and was i n th e course of annual cleatl ai n it and it would h e a great hardship to discon tin"- suddenly. Major BLACKALL sa id t h e i nstitution was no t , etir 5 9 ported exclusively by a grant from the Goverialne there was a large sum subscribed for its support. don; Mr. FAGAN hoped some hope would be beh. ° neo that the grant wou ld b o i ncreased i n the way -"- sug Th gested. do oP 'e CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUE R o g - h iv re' on the cont rar y, th at t h e vote would be sooll"" • duced. The vote was then :greed to, as were also—. 2,2501. f or th e L oc k Hospital, Dublin. 800/. for the Lying-in Hospital. 1,500/. for Steven's Hospital, Dublin. 3,8001. for the Cork-street Fever Hospital. 500/. for the Hospital of Incurables. ace ditg , On the vote of 37,1831 . for non-conforming. S' and Protestant dissenting ministers in Ireland, a thi 4 Mr. TRELAWNY said if the House sanctiosettaesge vote, they ought to go a step further and pay the of Ireland. The vote was clearly not one of curd pot principles; but it was a question whether it er en , isa gc6 be advisable to make some effort to secure the tr,,,,, - pay of the, priests, as the friends of order in Ireland,