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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, MARCH 21. Their Lordships then adjourned. SEVERN NAVIGATION BELL. Mr. PARING TON presented a petition from Droit wich in favour the Severn Navigation Bill. Mr. BAYLEY presented a petition from the Here fordshire Canal ~ .sompany, in favour of the Severn Navi gation Bill. On the Order of the Day being read for the Report of the Committee on • the Severn Navigation Bill being brought up, s Mr. MUNT2, moved that the Bill be re-committed. IR thought if: the Committee had paid proper attention to the statements laid before them, they would never have passed a.e Bill in its present shape. A large por tion of his , (Mr. Muntz's) constituents were inte rested in thee Birmingham and Worcester Canal, and they objected . to the Bill that it called upon them to pay the full y anion of the toll, although they would only pass over a w.m ill portion of the river. They also ob jected to the pi acing of a lock on the river just below the entrance of their canal, which would be v ery prejudi cial to their t rade. The Shropshire people would be called upon to pay no tolls, although they would be ma terially benefit ed by the improvement, while the pro prietors of the. canal were called upon to pay the full tolls. They were also desirous, if the kick were not re moved, of has ing permission to cut a short canal, 400 yards in ler egth, into the river. He should move that the Bill be rte -committed. Mr. PAKIC sIGTON did not think the objections had been fairly supported, and he hoped the BEll would pass without opposition. He need not remind the _House of the importance of the measure to the trade of 'the district ; its importance must be evi dent to all. The opposition to it was enti rely of It selfish. nature ; it was the opposition of a small party to a grea t national improvement, because that improve ment would tend to deprive them of certain ad vantages which they enjoyed at the expense - of others. The objections which were now affixed to the Bill, ,had all been offered in Committee las L year, and were then overruled. He saw no reason why the Bill should be re-committed, and he trust ed that it was not necessary for him to urge the House to. reject the motion. Mr. M. PHILIPS said, that the Hon. Membez. who had just sat down had accused Hon. Gentlemen can that side of the House with unfairly opposing this Bill. lie (Mr. Mark Philips) was certainly oppose!! 1 to the Bill, but on grounds by no means us fair. He was opposed to the measure, because the effect t , f it would be to place a permanent bar across the river, which must injure the navigation very much. He was of opinion that the lock ought not to be made in. the place intended, and he was therefore opposed to the till. Mr. PAKINGTON explained. Ile was misun..d er stood if Hon. Gentlemen supposed that he stated •the opposition to the Bill to be unfair. Mr. CLIVE trusted the House would not listen to the observations of the Hon, Member for Birmingham (;Mr. Mintz) with respect to the re-committal of the Bill. . Mr. LABOUCHERE said, though this matter c: eme before the House in the shape of a priyate 11; ill, yet in reality it concerned public interests of et; lie greatest importance ; and he was glad to see that it • was likely to receive the consideration of the How e. Those who did not object to the principle, but tit e details of the Bill, he would remind that it receive a long consideration in the Committee of last sessiat when all the six Members composing it scans unanimous in their decision respecting it. He hopes ithie House would not consent to a further delay in the I :ill.. The LORD ADVOCATE, as Chairman of the ( ;Joni rnittee, bore testimony to the anxious manner in s hich the matter had been investigated. He should ns at go into all the objections of the Hon. Member for I Man chester, but he would ask, why had not this opp sition been made before ? Not ono objection had been b rf night before the Committee at its sitting in the present S ;sion. Mr. SCOTT spoke in favour of the re-commits ne nt of the Bill. After a few words from Sir C. DOUGLAS, Lord G. SOMERSET said he was always fl lesiz, DUS that Bills of a-local character should be discusses i in 1. he House without the influence of local feelings. He thou eit the House would be undoing all its work if it cc ns en tea to delay the Bill. Sir T. WILDE said, that if the motion were ao :ed ed to the effect would be to throw out the Bill allog. ether. If any improvements were necessary they could be- made in the House of Lords. Mr. ORMSBY GORE said it was very rare' I: v the House consented to the re-committal of a Bill unl e ss on very strong grounds. The Bill was already six times before the House, and he believed the object of .those - who asked for its re-committal was to throw out t he Bill altogether. Lord INGESTRIE said, that as he was aware .of the great expense to which parties would ba put by- a re committal of the Bill, he should vote against the at lenti l:l'mA_ lif the Hon. Member for Birmingham. H.e I top,;(1 that the measure would, hereafter, be improved i i the other House of. Parliament. After a fere words from Mr. SCHOLEFIELD in sup port of the amendment, Mr. MLINTZ said that, in order to save er4 ense, he should withdraw his amendment, with the ho pe that the objectionable clauses of the Bill would be alt er ad in the other House. The Amendment was then withdrawn, and the Reisort was agreed to. BOROUGH OF BRIDPORT. The SPEAKER acquainted the House that. !e hail received a notice from the agents of' the pe tfti oners against the return of Mr. J. Cochrane and Mr. Mit ..!hell, the Members for the Borough of Bridport, sta Eng that they did not intend to continue the prosecution. In answer to a question from an HONOURAir LEI tIM BI which was inaudible in the gallery, Sir R. PEEL said, that in 1840 the Right lion,. ',Gen : tertian the Chancellor of the Exchequer p re .pe 4 ed, and with tile sanction of the House , earri ed, a measure for adding eve per cent. to the duties of ' Cus.- torus and Excise. That five per cent., whici I still remained in force, h e p ro p ose d to app l y to lithe di g ies of Customs and Excise which were not included in ti io pre sent reduction. The Hon. Gentleman had spoken oft h e ex treme diffichlty of having a 5 per cent. duty, as we 11 as a 4 per cent. It was not. proposed to have a 5 pei ad valvent duty, but 5 per cent. upon the amount ori tuty. Dr. 13OWRING then gave notice that in Comm ittee he would propose that this additional one-;gent ieth should be consolidated in the tariff. THE NEW TARIFF. In answer to a question from Mr. DUFF, ROBERT PEEL said ha very much feared thmt although it was his intention to take the res pla .tion of the House with reference to the income tax, be fore he should proceed with the consideration of the to that the Hon. Gentleman would have sufficient time to consider the matter, a.; there was no prospect of m e y,laig any prowress with the tariff before the Easter re xK s , In answe r to a question from Sir C. D. NORR re , lative to the removal of Irish and Scotch pauper % from ' England, Sir J. GRATIAM said that the Poor-law C ;ofn mis sioners had instituted an inquiry in the various corn ides of England and Wales, as to the number of a lose persons referred t o , and that a consid lerah --e n ,ztss of in formation on the subject had been collected, b,at was 1 - as yet, completed. In the course of a few rinuths, he 'W eyer, the Commissioners would report on, the smj.ijt et, and then that Report would be laid on ',he table 4 t he House. ifTEDINGS' REGULATIONS:AND rtoß nT r: - /Tt IMPROVEMENT (No. 2) BIL Mr. TUFNELL moved that Mr. liodg,sonlli discharged from further attendance on the s e k et mittee on these Bills, and that Mr. Richard 110,1-',), r and Captain Rous be added.—Motion agreed to. INDIA—THE OPIUM TRADE. In answer to a question from Mr. LINDSAY, Sir ROBERT PEEL stated that he would have • no ; hesitation to read to the Honattrable Gentleln t . sn the purport of the instructions given by the Lo n Is -a the Treasury to the Supreme General c 914 The Canip CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool sack shortly after Five o'Clo.:k. EASTER HOLIDAYS. The Duke of WELLINGTON said, that in reply to the question put to him by the Noble Viscount opposite (Viscount Melbourne) last week, he had to state that it was his intention to-morrow to move that their Lordships do adjourn to Thursday, April 7. CORN-LAWS. The Earl of CLARE presented a petition from the millers of the county of Limerick, praying for adequate protection in the event of any in the Corn-laws. Lord BANDON presented petitions to the same effect, from the millers of Cork, from the millers of Colne, and from the millers of Fermoy. CORK PACKET STATION. The NOBLE LORD also presented a petition from the merchants of Cork, praying that Cork might be made a packet station from Bristol. ESTABLISHED CHURCH. The NOBLE Loan then presented petitions from the Protestants of Atherne, and from those of several other parts of Ireland, prayingfor protection to the Established Church. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from a place in Tyrone, praying for an alteration in the law of Presbyterian marriages in Ireland ; also a petition from a place in Cornwall, praying for a revision of the tariff. The Noble Lord. also pre sented a petition from an individual whose name we did not lmear, against burial grounds being formed in populous places. The petitioner stated that a relation of his had been interred in a churchyard in London, and his (the petitioner) again visiting London he went to the spot, for the purpose of indulging in his reeollections, whe u he found that the stone had been re moved from the grave, and another body interred therein. Lord WHARZSCLIFFE laid on the table certain re turns relating to the Poor-law Amendment Bill. On the motion of the Noble Lord the followin g Bills were . . read a third time and passed—the West India Clergy Bill, the Newgate Gaol (Ireland) Bill, and the Consoli dated Fund Bill. The Archbisbop of CANTERBURY moved the recond reading of tho Ecclesiastical Residences Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR laid on the table of the House a Bill to detize the jurisdiction of Justices at Quarter Sessions. HOUSE OF CO.3IIIIONS, MARCH 21. The SPEAKER took the Chair at a few minutes before Pour o'Clock. Mr. C. WCPOD brought IT the Report of the Com mittee appointed to try the Lewes election petition. Mr. HOGG brought up the. Report of the Committee appointed to try the Clitheroe election petition. The lion. 11. FITZROY there took the oaths and his sent as Membe r for Lewes, in the place of Summers liarford, Esq. ; ezud E. CARDWELL, Esq., took the oaths and his seat as Member for Clitheroe, in the place of Matthew Wilson., Esq., unseated by the decision of the Committee. Mr. HUTT wished to put a question to the Right Hon. Baronet relative to the Stade Duties. Ile naked whether any arrangement had been made by the Govern , ment on this question Sir R. PEEL said, that As the negotiations were still pending, he hoped the Hon. Gentleman would not press ins question. Mr. HUTT would only take the opportunity of re minding the Right Hon. Baronet that this queakon had been pending for a long time. Sir R. PEEL said, there were many other qt s i i estiosa which had also been pending for a long time.—(A 1.:! 1 g9 As soon as he should be enabled to make any communi cation on the subject he would do so. SYRIA—THE DRUZES. Sir C. NAPIER asked whether any despatches had been received by the Government from Beyrout, rela • tive to the union of the Maronites and Druzes for warlike purposes. Sir R. PEEL was understood to say that despatches had been received, but that from the necessity of read ing up the foreign despatches each night he should not i)e prepared to answer any question on the subject till to-morrow (this day). THE REVENUE. Mr. HA.WES asked when the Report of the Revenue Commbsioners would be laid before the House'? Sir R. ;PEEL stated that it would be laid on the table as soon as practicable. A message from the Lords brought up certain Bills. MARRIAGES—IRELAND. Lord J. RUSSELL asked what was the present state of the Bill brought into the Lords on this subject ? Sir R. PEEL said, his impression was that the second case that had occurred on this subject was not a cri minal but a civil case, had been turned into a special one, to be argued before the Judges in Ireland, and that an appeal, if thought necessary by the parties, would be made from the Judges to the House of Lords. But the question was, for the present, suspended, as their Lordships were desirous :o consider the decision of the Judges, as a Court of Law, before they further legis lated on the subject. FOREIGN CATTLE. An HON. MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, begged to ask the Right Hon. Baronet whether he could state what would be the probable amount of revenue de rived from the importation of foreign cattle.—(Laughter.) This was no laughing matter—(Laughter)—and he would be thankful for a precise answer. Sir ROBERT PEEL said this resembled the ques tion put to him the other night, when an Honourable Member said that because he (Sir Robert Peel) knew the rests of the sliding scale, he ought to know what revenue the Corn-law would yield. To answer the present question would be still more difficult now that the prohibition on the importation of foreign cattle was about to be removed for the first time. But he was sure the apprehensions on this subject were greatly ex aggerated. He had no fear that the importation of cattle, fat or lean, would materially, if at all, injure the home grazier.—(Hear.) This was all he could say at present on the subject. He had heard of a calculator who, having given the height of the mast and , the name of the Captain, was asked to find the latitude of the ship—(laughter)—to give a precise answer to the question put by the Hon. Gentleman would be about as difficult. On the motion that the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself into a Committee be read, Lord HOWICK presented a petition from the coal owners and ship-owners of Sunderland, against the pro posed tax on coals. • Mr. FOX MAULS said that before the Order of' the Day be read, he had, in consequence of several communications which he received from Scotland, no other alternative than to state to the Right Honourable Baronet opposite the position in which the people of Scotland were placed at that mo ment. The Right Honourable Gentleman developed his financial scheme on Friday week, and had stated that he had taken the greatest possible care to se cure the utmost secrecy with respect to his plan. The knowledge of that plan had scarcely reached Scotland, when it created considerable alarm amongst the classes who were to be effected by it, and the Right Ho , nourable Gentleman was now proceeding to take the resolution of the Committee upon it, and it was only at the time that he was proceeding to take that resolution that the people of Scotland were in formed for the first time of his plan; nay, a portion of the people of Scotland were in ignorance of_ it, although that portion of the United Kingdom would suffer more severely from his scheme than any other. He would, therefore, put it to the Right Honourable Baronet whether it was not due to that part of the country, to which he (Mr. F. Maule) belonged, to wait until the people there had expressed their opinion on the tax with regard to which it was his duty to state they entertained very strong feelings. He had, therefore, in the name of the people of Scotland, and in. the name of those who had communicated with him to request the Right Honourable Baronet to consider before the Order of the Day was read, whether it might not be consistent with his duty to defer taking the sense of the House until after Easter, and to give the people-4 ' of Scotland an opportunity of communicating with their representatives, and letting them know their wishes on the subject. 7l (Hear, hear.) _ _ Sir ROBERT PEEL said that he was sometimes told that he was afraid to touch anything, sometimes that he was touching injudiciously •, and now the Right Hon. Gentleman told him that by the proposed admis sion of foreign cattle he was affecting the interests of the entire people of Scotland. He could only say that he had attempted to do' justice to all parties.—(Hear.) He (Sir R. Peel) proposed, for instance, to go on with the Corn Bill this day, and at the suggestion of Honourable Gentlemen he was obliged to deter the con gideration of it. On the whole he should say that he could not be a party to any further delay which was caused.—(llear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.) He thought the House was in a condition now to deter mine whether it was politic or not to supply the deficiency in the revenue by an income tax, or what other tax, and therefore he could not be a party to any further delay.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") The Right Hon Gentleman (Mr. Fox Maule) must bear in mind that if the people of Scotland had a claim for the diminunition or reduction of the duty which it was proposed to lay upon them, they would have a p er f ec t opportunity of urging th e ir claims in the progress of the Bill, or it would be perfectly open to the Right Ho nourable Gentleman to propose an amendment while the Bill was in Committee; but as to the general question whether or no there should be a tax upon income he (Sir Robert Peel) could not help thinking that the House was now fully in a condi— tion to determine that question.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. FOX MAULE said, his object was simply to claim, upon the part of the people of Scotland, time to consider between the receipt of the intelligence to impose the income tax and the passing of the resolutions upon that subject. The Right Hon. Ba- Toner, in giving so courteous an answer as he had just w . ven, had done his duty to himself as Minister of the . C rown, but he (Mr. F. Maule) felt it his duty towards the people of Scotland to ask on their behalf for time to consider the question before the resolutions were passed. Sir ROBERT PEEL assured the Right Hon. Gen tleman that he had received many t ommunications from Scotland since the proposition for imposing an income t ax wa s made known, and speaking generally he (Sir R. Peel) must say, that from all he could hear upon the subject the people of Scotland were most satisfied with the proposition.—(Hear, hear.) MINISTERIAL MEASURES. In reply to a question from Mr. C. WOOD, with re spect to the Corn-law Bill, Sir ROBERT PEEL said he was most anxious to bring the Ministerial measures to a conclusion. The proceeding with the Corn question depended entirely with the House ; if it was thought that the discussion upon the subject was sufficient, no thing could be more satisfactory to him (Sir Robert Peel) than to bring it to a conclusion, but it seemed as if there was no desire to do so.—(Hear, hear.) He had evinced every anxiety to determine the question— he had fixed it for every night last week. The other night ha asked the Gallant Officer opposite (Sir C. Napier) to grant his motion to have prece dence to the corn question ; but the Gallant Officer (as he had • a right to do) claimed precedence, and the Corn Bill was postponed—in fact he (Sir Robert Peel) h:Ad exhausted every means to bring forward the question hcfore, but he found it impossible. it lion. Gentlemen opposite thought the question had been sufficiently discussed, and were disposed to permit the Bill at once to pass into a law, he should be most happy to hear it.—(Hear, hear) If he could brill.. on the Corn Bill to-night h e s h ou ld b e mos t happy to du so; but if not, he hoped the Hon. and Gallant Officerwould permit him to bring it forward to-morrow. Mr. C. WOOD had not expressed either impatience or the reverse ; he was -s anxious as the Right lion. Baronet could be that the question should be set tled, so as to set the anxiety of the public at rest on th e subject. He had asked simply for information, more with a view of ascertaining when he mi g h t be able to je, , ve town, than for any other purpose. CHARLES BULLER thought the Right Honovrable Baronet had a few nights since told the: House how extremely important it was that the Corn Bin should pass without delay—(Opposition Cheers)—and now he was for bringing forward his ail of India, in the month of December last:. The in structions were to cause a full and searching ..inquiry to be instituted at the earliest prictiCable period into , the actual value of the quantity of opium Con fiscated in each district in the months of April and March, 1839, and what were the quantities in the markets at the time that confication took place — to report the result of the inquiry, and trans mit to the Lords of the Treasury the evidence adduced on the occasion, together with whatever other information on the subject the Governor in Council might think fitting. He (Sir Robert Peel) had no doubt that the Governor-General of India would direct those inquires to be made, and would remit to this country all the information possible to be col lected on the Vet. IRELAN --NATIONAL EDUCATION. Mr. SHAW wished x 9 plat A question with re ference to the interests of the gsts.iilished Church in freland, in c,lllnection with the kr,eoM ;mem of education in that couerY. His queajoi? WE?" wAk4ef now that the Irish estirnats b.''re inV i re 11-, r P a Y a:* tion, it was the intenti on o f h er alaJestY " Majesty's 47.9.4- ment to devise any mean s , or receive any PTen§4/§ for schools in conne x i on w i t h t h e in that country. The members of the Established Cii;;;!ch had not enjoyed a reasonable share— s (Chmoll from the Opposition benches)—of the advantages to be 44 ... rived from the funds annually granted for the promo. tion of education in Ireland. Lord ELIOIJ said that it was the intention of Go vernment to ineludg the usual grant for National Educa tion in Ireland, in this Estimates for this year without proposing any alteration. THE STADE DLTES. _ . income tax to the exclusion of his Coin Bill.— (Hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet; a week ago, had- said that the whole country was agog=—(A laugh)-for his Corn Bill. That such was the anxiety of the trade, that no corn could be sold tintil the question was , settled, and in that ' assertion he believed the Right .Honourable Baronet was quite correct, and yet the Right Hon. Baronet was now trying night after night to press forward the income tax to the exclusion of the Corn Bill.—(Opposition cheers.) Whatever neces sity there might be for hurrying forward the Corn Bill, few people were in such a confounded hurry for an income tax.—(Cheers and laughter.) The Right Honourable Baronet in hurrying forward this mea sure of the income tax was not acting fairly by the House, and it was not the first time that lie (Mr. C. Buller) had observed that sort of unfair con duct on the part of the Right Hon. Baronet.—(Cheers.) The Right Hon. Baronet was trying to coerce the House into a precipitate consent to the income tax, in order to ~ e t at the Corn Bill.—(Loud Opposition cheers.) The lOt , jA r b,n, Baronet had said the Corn Bill had been ki4e c t _(Cries ip , p . eo , l4 .7. 4ltix, - . much. of " No, no, " from ' '-' Hon. Baronet had Si?,e /Arils. 014 1 bPAches) The hags._ . ' • P-serteen Ad that the quesrten had been debated for ....... nights, and from his saying that he (Mr. Buller) eoncluded the Right Honourable Baronet meant to sat that it had been debated too much.—(" No $l O, from the Ministerial benches.) Oh, then the 134ght Honourable Baronet had meant it, had been. dehe.ted too little.—(Loud laughter.) There was one point of the greatest importance in taking the. averagLe which had never been discussed at all yet. He hoped - the Hume would not be hurried into any decision on the income tax, in order to get at the Corn Bill.—(Hear, hear.) If the Right Hon. Baronet was really desirous of forwarding the Corn Bill, he had the remedy in his own hands, by giving the Corn„Bill prece &lap of the income tax that evening.—(Cheers.) Sir R. vggl i 941, that . although the Corn Bill had been debated siltteen nights, it had not been de bated too long, Wean* thp malt of the debate had been that the country had boeome IPOP Pa More satisfied with his measure.—(Cheers,) lie bad said that as soon as the estimates should be voted, he would pro. aeatil vitt} his financial measure. That announcement had giv*ai tibog refftost satisfaction. He was acting exactly as he had said'he W,oul,d. It was of the utmost import ami that as tha t° f w i h ou et s h e e si r ;i or Oni no d ar g. b 4 ee .l e o° 4 ,:i iri 4 dit : e o ly ist to express an be I rftpesed. opinion, It was most imp67tant that the opinion of the HRuie` s i ol4 he expressed at the earliest :ieriod upon a pr oposition 4'0;1144 taxation ,. for the year, 4s form the foundation of our system ~.1 he consideration to any imputation that he wished to keep bac. ! of the Corn Bill, and to deprive the country of the great aeiVaili tages he auticipatedfrom that nkeasure he had only to say that he had done every thing in his power to );0ri..4 the iiii i mmediately i t before the House, and to indtiee the ,cranat4 :0, ter 9irgitri (Sir C. Napier) to allow him to introduite the au I tect 'on t? . - morrow night. But on those nights devoted to pnblic - bnsi ; ness, be said it firmly, but respectfully, it was his intention to proceed with the preiiminary resolution upon the income tax before the Corn-law BR. Lord J. RUSSELL said dig toe Aoyght the Right Hon. Gentleman had fallen into a slight error xilop hp "aid that when he determined to introduce the resolution rogly,e to the incometax, and to take the sense of the House en that kiib..- ieet, he found that there was a general wish that he should pre ceed with the measure. The subject which the House wished to hear was the ststeinent on the part of the Right Honour able Gentleman of hie genera) financial plans, and of the com mercial alterations which he centempritted.—( Hear, hear. ) For his own part he agreed with his kiceleAraPl!t Friend, that if the public interest was solely to be considered it would he mast desirable to proceed immediately with the consideration of the Corn-laws. With respect to the average., two ho never yet been considered in detail, and which could not pro perly be discussed except in Committee, nothing whatever had been done. With regard to the iecorne tax there was no doubt an anxiety prevailing throughout .the wintry that paople should kaow the amount of the tax to he levied . • But ever body was now pretty well prepared as to the sap they should have to jay, and whether the resolution was taken into consideration alitelecarlier or a little later did not seem to him to be of so much importanze. The Right Hon. Gentleman might take his own course upon t4e subject, but he (Lord J. Rosa) could only say for himself iitst he would certainly divide** House—hrst on the resolution, and afterwards on the Report ; on the first reading, on the second reading, and on the third reading.—(Cheers and counter cheers.) \Sir R. PEEL said that he had heard with some regret the coons which the Noble Lord proposed to pursue ; but, at the same time, that regret was somewhat it;alAed by the announce ment made by the Noble Lord that, even tefpre the House came to a decision on the matter, every one knew 4.0 he would have to pay a t was to say, that the proposition was so reasonable.—(Hear, lieg, laughter, and cries of " Oh, oh.") It was so necessary for the pub :Ike interest, that without waiting for the decision of the House, every mang could know what was the amount which he would have to pay.—(Ranered laugh ter from the Opposition benches.) The House then resolved itself into a Committee of Ways and Means, Mr. Genairix in the chair. Mr. HAWES then rose arch said, the announcement which the Noble Lord on that side of the House had made of his de termination to offer every Parliamentary appesitjon to the im position of this odious and unjust system of taxati4n was one which he firmly believed would be hailed with satisfaction hy thousands out of do4rs, If the Right Hon. Gentleman had really made out a case for reserting to an income tax, if he had hewn that the national honour abaeletely demanded it, or that the national credit was at at stake withotit it, then he believed no opposition would have been offered to it. But ,:t was not merely the ground that the Treasury was empty which iivotild justify a resort to the income tax. He firmly believed that if a fair consideration had been given last year to the measures of her Majesty's late Government, with respect to the corn, sugar, and timber duties, they would not have stood in need of an income tax. Rait the Right Ho. noarable Baronet had refused to debate thou weitions, and he now found himself reduced to the necessity ofreso i rting to a tax the most odious and unjust that could possibly be proposed; Ile believed there never was a truer remark than that of the Noble Lord, the Member for Sunderland, the other night, that nothing could be more injurious and unwise at the present time than to support the national credit by an income tax. Let tradesmen be called upon to disclose their affairs—let bankers be called upon to risk their credit—let merchants be called upon to expose all the secrets of their transactions, and he he, lieved thatiu a 'short time there would be such an expression a feeling on the pert of the public as no Government, however strong, would be able to resist. The Right Hon. Gentleman told them that he intended to, introduce certain modifications into his Bill. When the second property tax was proposed by Lord Bexley in 1815, he propped to reduce it from 10 to 5 per cent., and he proposed various modifications. The 1117.is try bad a large majority ; yet such was the popular feeling on the subject, that at length the tax was refused, and it was de. flounced by one of the most eloquent Members of that House as one, the remnants and records of Mitch were only fit to he destroyed by the hands of the common b.anginan.—(Cheers.) The city of London then teemed with petitions against the tax. In fact, it would be impossible to conduct the nisa4.l4ll, without adopting the most odious inquisitorial proceedings, and these he was convinced the eople of England would have too much spirit to submit to.— Hear, hear .) One of the petitions 3 at that time was from the ord Mayor and Corporation of the City of London. The Lord Mayor's words were, " That even if the amount of the tax were reduced from 10 to 5 per cent. its odious and inquisitorial principle would be unchanged ; itt. deed, that it would become more galling." In this opinion he ( Mr. Hawes) concurred, as the smallness of the tax would .. - e the inquisitors scattered over the country to be more iiisisitive into the private affairs of people in order to collect it. The Right Bor.. Baronet opposite taunted them, who had repealed twenty-two millions of taxation, with now unfeelingly refusing to consent to a tariff that wo u ld greatly cheapen the means of living to the people. The party opposite would now claim great credit for feeling for the people; yet the very tax they now proposed presented the strongest contrast to such a dis position. The Right Hon. Baronet was not justified in isepnting elotives to Hon. Membe r s for th e ir o pp os iti on t o th e i ncome tax. The whole history of that tax—the progress of public opinion against it would justify any Hoe, Member in offering the most strenuous opposition to it. What neoe.nity was there for hay ing an income tax? Were they to be shut out . . from the advantages derivable from a repeal of the sugar duties, the duties on the importation of corn anti on timber? All the advocates of an alteration in the timber duties advocated that alteration with the intention of having the price reduced to the consumer and the revenue de• rived from chat source increased. With respect to the quotation made by the Right Hon. Baronet from Sir H, Parnell, if the Right Hon. Baronet had proceeded further with the quotation it would be seen that Sir H. Parnell had said, that if the titer her duties were altogether removed the shipowners would be materially benefitted thereby. But let them see what was actually done, because when they talked of a great coercion, it was desirable to know what that coercion was. The new mode of levying the duty on timber, was equivalent to laying on a considerable duty on timber. Compared with the proposal of the Committee of 133,5, the altered mode of taking the averages w ould make a difference of the discriminating duty between foreign and colonial timber of 245. If this large discriminating duty be maintained a large amount of revenue would be sacrificed, and the only thing that could justify a discriminating duty was to get a revenue. Here was a large amount of revenue destroyed, while at the same time a large colonial protectien was also destroyed. He said, there fore, that they had no right to shut him out from the revenue that may be derived from lowering the duties on timber, and impose an income tax.—( Hear.) He had clearly a right to the tax that might be derived from timber. He should also quote those authorities which Gentlemen opposite must have considered when they were preparing their parts. Mr. ltl'Gregor, in the evidence which he gave on the subject before a Committee of the House, said " That he would propose a duty of 7s. 6d. or: colonial timber, and 225. 6d. on foreign timber, and that he expected to raise a revenue of 1,000,0001. —( Hear, hear.) Such would be the increase of consump tion which would take place on an alteration of the duty."— (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Hawes) believed that the con sumption would be so great that they would derive a re venue of nearly 1,000,0004 ; but he would take it at half a million. The Right lion. Gentleman had remarked the other night that the question was one between an income say e v o o n t e t d h e a subject, great tax and other sou rces o f i ncreas i ng the revenue. He hoped (Mr. What di d Hawes) Mr. knew Dea con to Hu that would be the q uest i on , and i t was in that light that he have me d regarded he deit. ( deal of labour and thought on i t . H e gave h i s evidence bifore the Timber Committee i n 1834, an d h e proposed to ob tain a . quarter of amillion of r e v enue b y an a l teration of the duty. He (Mr. Hawes) was acquainted w ith M r. H ume in public and private life ; and he knew that up to the last hour of his life, he was an advocate for an improved adjustment of the tariff. With regard to sugar, the Right Hon. Baronet said that he could not taice the subject into his considerati on at present, because he did not know how far it would encourage slavery in the Brazils and elsewhere. He (Mr. H.) wished to know whether it was the object to give a monopoly to the West India interest or to reject the alteration of the duty on sugar, on account of its being slave produce. if the former, why cid they not say so openly—if the latter, why did they reduce the tariff on tobacco, which was also a slave-growing produce.—(Hear, hear.) The consumpti n and revenue of sugar was the same in 1828 as in 1841, although there was a larger increase in the popul a ti ons and a vast augm , ntation of the capital of the country ; nay, he had it on the authoriy of one of the largest s u gar re fi ners of in London, that the consumption 1840 was less than the con sumption in ltte)B and when he was told that the quantity o f imported was increased, his ( Mr. Hawes s) answe r was , the population also was increased, and if they compared the consumption of sugar for the last ten years, a considerable faliiag off would be found to have taken place, the increase in tl.e population of the country being considered.—(.Hear, hear.) If they excluded slave-grown produce because it was slave grown, let them act on the same principles with regard to other articles, the produce of slave -grown labour, but if they intend to uphold the West Indian monopoly, then he said that they had received too much from the people of this country. Let them give their Colonies the benefits of free trade, and let them act towards them on those principles, and they would then be able to compete with those who produce slave -grown sugar in any part of the world. He exacted they would deri ve f rom t h at a revenue o f 500, 0001. The Right. Hon. Gentleman had never told them the revenue he expected to derive from corn, and that it was difficult to make a calcu tion on the subj ect ; b ut they might test the value of his Lam. sure upon, that ground.—(Hear, he. + confessed thht he thought the Right Hon. law measure would add to the revenue of the country. . nere would be a considerable average duty imposed on corn, which would certainly bring in a larger revenue.— (Hear.) Let the Right Hon. Baronet enter upon a comprehensive re view of our commercial tariff, and he might rely upon it that the liberal amendments which would be pointed out would have the effect of supplying all the revenue he wanted. The late give huvftcaehtdeitt reduction r n y o_p r ar(ohli proposed o d hte shtier n di 0 00hh t ptyep b aaou e trsh e n. i the . )4 thTGEa-reerrntieodmre:bnytt the e o o s u p e I ht a lio t ni e n G a(nl O di v r e a. r n n ill m 'oay e wa n en t sc i e n the duties on corn, sugar, and timber, would have supplied the ds.ficiency, as he (Mr. Hawes) could show. But why, instead of coming to an income tax, did not the Right Hon. Gentleman draw upon landed property, which he might do, by an amendment of the stamp duties, which now pressed so unequally on society ? From this source he would get an ample revenue if he tried. The Right Hon. Baronet talked of the expense of war in China and Affahanistan, but did he mean to contrast the necessities arising from those petty wars with those in which the country was placed at the break ing out of the French Revolution ? But the people of Eng land would never submit to be taxed for the purpose of carry ing on a system of retaliatory bloodshed against the people of China or Affghanistan, however atrocious their •• ' Veen. Mr. Humphrey's book stated j w - ti i 70dification of the stamp duties,_ so as that landed property aTonld - pg WO; but sooner than put up-with the od ious vexa tion lan ifitails . e tc.heantdy,stoom,oitrunori. might na be ;Igoe} tax he would rather see the stamp duty on the ' s eeessioti lif personal property raised tp fen timeg its isTeapnt alpeunt; The , Right Hon. Gentleman had ;voted only' three thing, by lia means important articles, except that of tobacco ; upon two of these, then, he had jumped at the ponclitsion, that there was no other source of taxation than that of taring inentnee. .Now the income tax in itself, he (gr. Hawes) held te be es sentially unjust in its operation, and that nothing short of some actual necessity, PT an overwhelming emeraency, almost approaching tug a foreign invaeion, maid justlf any resort to such a course. They could r s et levy thp tax ith j'estige— they could osly collect by A most odious system , t was l ev i e d in the same manner upOn different deacriptiens o property ; life annuitants, the professional men who was to one Sepse a life annuitant, and the min with an estate in f ee s imple, and all those different kinds a property were to he Oiarged at tine sump rite. New he wou ld say that was perfectly monstrous I n e. work---e. we*, OFFffot kom ip itiptc tp in official wort, that of Air. Sayeas ,, W4 4 444a,PLea tKr s /WO ttle MP of the different value of prop erty . He ' toots as an exaMpleloo4. in the shape of rent of land, and compared that to thrsame amount in interest on mortgages and other incomes. He eons. uted that an annuity of 1001. was worth about 90/. in corn arison to the 100/. on land. The interest on permanent and Oahe atdelebe PMPRied et (fsi. to the LOU!. In commerce, manefactiires, and trade, the profits Or ki , hici wete deriiseditrOnt i principal, lie 05,49/34'.4 at .751. o late 100. The on'eepiPr of land entailed on one child he Complied at '701.. Thepidfit des rived by public servants 60/. to the 100/. But when he came to t. vie and occupation, and principal wholly derived from in • . ti q.sis, he compared it as 50/. to the 100/. of . rent on land. rilhe same' lso* 4 1 TP , teeliiii itZtV !!i a t 91e estimated income eing 01,0Q0 ? ,0,0,Q/. t e . t . e !veto itrri4lll4ns, 07:160ut 8,0 Per eant;, whill the ciinsantesieners with 4 their power were got able to eelleet. The tax held out 4 temptation to perjury of the grossest )'find; " and Jest iri proportion as they gave ades quate powers to the collecters, would that temptation be likely to operate, and the tax inflict misery upon the country. If he yishe4 to see the country agitated and distgrbed tn can flirestion g he lsnely nothing more lik e ly t o p ro d uce that effeet Chap ' the agitation arid discontorte4th would still lave to F o r e down to that Douse to obtain another mea sure—which should be just and comprehensive, but the Right Hon. Baronet hadtaken another couato, The Right flop. Ba ronet chose to say that the income tax was an imposition glean the property of the country, and not upon the principal article Of,cerisUnsption,p4l.lliip the Right Hon. Baronet proposed to Jay a ta; of tbree per pent. -upon ineeme, the duty upon cern, w jets be proposed was equivalent to 20,per pe n t. itpon the in comes of the pporestelases o the people.—( B ea r, hear, and exl.ressions of nissent 'rem Ho m the . erpheil on the Trea sury benches.) The Chancellor of the Eachespaer shnols his bead, but he (Mr. Hawes) would say *l.9gh F 941 that 4iibt /lon. Gentleman's authority was upon matters of that hind, that what he 511 Ir. Hawes) stated would be borne old by the opinions of varions other peraona. There is, for instance, the opinion of Mr. Jones 41W, Wild was entitled to the greatest weight with that House, as well ea with filo pl4hiies4 (Hear, hear.) In reference to the Corr.-laws, Mr, ..Jones Lloyd said—" If we estimate the average income of etch fa mily eif the posrer classes to be 10s. a week, the average num ber of familiee ie four, and if the price of corn be 603. a quarter, we cannot estinnitp the outlay of ; etch fa- mile in the purchase of corn at iii ' l 4'4 flip!: (week. So that if the Corn-laws raised the price of corn 2p p er cent : , they operate as an income tax upon the poorest families in the country."—(Hear, hear.) The taxation of the great art;cle of ceAKimption was a direct taxation upon the income of the poorest clisaea, inns p,astainly, that being the case, the great display of liberality rnigly Hon. pentlamen on the opposite side did not come with a very gOod'daee"ftinti them at :advo cates of the Corn-laws.—( Cheers from the Opposition.)' Ire hall, then, laid before the House the various points which were nacon*ty. In addition, he would only say that the Noble Lord (lain RSO4) 849i14 • save his TM" Nrdiiil and anxious support in his opposillo4 ip th§ gul l .t qui measure, though he would not say be Teta talitrgeP OA measure, as the Noble Lord opposite had said upon a fernser eaCapqn•=.• (Expressions of dissent from Lord Stanley:) He - (4r. liagres) might quote the language of the Noble Lo r d, the Mesuber 14 WOtlii becasbire, when the Noble Lo r d s t a t e d that his object was to If *414! the measure of the late Government.—(" No, no," from Loki Siali d ieY. ) ' ne pl4r. Hawes) was sure he had heard the Noble Lord distinctly ex= press his intention to " obstruct" the measure of the late 4oyeirnlnent—( Hear, hear)—and‘he (Mr. Hawes) believed the expiepione g.f the Noble Lord were to he found in every newspaper and reead .6 1 NliFncq—at an e*ta if s there was a mistake, there were Oser . eattV tt4n . "his (me. Hawes) who had heard the wordy end record thern. Without going the length of saying that it was his intention to "obstruct" the present measure of the Government, he meant to give it every possible opposition, as being an odious and un )44oe one under the circumstances of the case, th e necess ity of wh ich was pot" toyed, a.nd Is being calculated to lay the foundation of nati4ne ,irOe u itP4 SPle4, '' Therefore it p h is that he felt himself bound, on easerygroned, iO give the jilt his most hearty and determined opposition.-ACipp'esiti4 .Vh01 . 4; ) Mr. Alderman THOMPSON said that the Hon. Member for Lambeth (Mr. Hawes) had begun by stating that he would show there were other sources of taxation without the necessity 4.baz,lng. Fecohrse to an income tax, and he k Mr. Alderman Thompson)Woaid appeai Se the gce,se whether the . Hon. Gen. tleman had not signally faitedielirideclpatieh. ' !p was true that, by varying the duties on some uommoditity, a corPairi amount of taxation might be raised; but with respect to what 1 the Hon. Gentleman had suggested as to the reduction in ! duties on sugar, he had not told the House whether he meant reduction according to the scale proposed by the late Chancellor ' of the Eiiiiiiiiictse-r. In his (Mr. Alderman Thompson's) opinion, the House would lave' apkirl moet injudiciously in adopting that proposition. This country had iiefacfeiratliat: crifices to diminish slavery, and they ought to encourage other countries to adopt a similar laudable course. particularly when those countries were following our examples in massy reapects i and endeavouring to bring about the aboli tion of slavery. Tive finh• Gentleman stated that an income tax was only justifiable in a: state of Wei.. Pid the }foil. Gen tleman suppose, that the war was merely confined to Affehane istan ? Many of their Indian provinces were shaken to their basis, and great dissatisfaction prevailed in them, and it was necessary to take strong measures to retrieve their position in that country. Ther:s was scarcely a family connected with trade and manufactures, Out 4 4 4 profited directly or indirectly by their connexion with India; he thouglii,"lfferefere, - that this tax of three per cent. ought to be cheerfully paid by the trading and manufacturing interests of the country. . The Hon. Qpistleman had stated, that nothing but the greatest emergency conic( justify an income tax ; and the other night, the Member for London had sail, that anatmg ether reasons for his opposing the tax, was this, that it would loweiEngTend hi Use Mutation of ether nations, and that it would be thought that the sours"oF taxation were dried up. But would not this be more manifest in the face. of the world, if they were not able to take a decided course, and to raise such a sum within the year, as they sup posed necessary for the supioit of the State. The condition of some of the States of North America, a niani of theie of South America, of Spain, and of Portugal, ought to act as a warning to a Minister to pause before he proposed measures for borrow ing money in time of peace. The dilapidated state of our finances had beep eaus9d I y the mismanagement of the late Government. The presen; 41ill!Sry had consequently felt bound to propose a strong measure i n order tp 'Rani - the heoonr of the country. A tax to which the PolPitFY inig_4t perhaps feel some objection, b u t th e machinery for the collection of which was less onerous, less inquisitorial a s nel less objectionable than it had been under the old system. He hoped the sneasure would be carried into opera ion on the part of the Goverwnss pin a spirit of confidence towards the British merchant; that the Go'serpsnetit would not imagine that the great trading interests of the country 1,Y01414 tge it"PY unfair advantage. The honour of the British merchant hati always hitherto been untarnished, and he trusted the Right Hon. Gentleman would not suffer it to be called ire question by the tax-gatherer. The Right Hon. Gentleman had said he would nit relax in the least in any part of his plan. There was one portion of it, however, with which he (Mr. Alderman Thompson) hoped the Right Hon. GeniTiman would TM peF severe. He meant imposing the same tax on permanent and terminable annuities. The Act of George IV. had been passed for the purpose of inducing persons to convert their permanent Government annuities and stock into terminable Government jannuities. ;Nci}y, a person receiving 3,000/. a year from the funds would pay to the income tax 87/, 10s., or 2621. 10s., but if a person had invested the settee amount of capital in ter minah:e Government annuities, he would receive for ten years a sum of 10,6121. 10s., on which the income tax to be paid would amount to 3091. 103. or 24/. 04d. per cent. per annum on the proper income from his capital. He was quite sure that that subject had not been fully con sidered by the Right Hon. BarpneP, or he would not have sub mitted terminable annuities to the same taz as illP9Me§ ; 44 he hoped he would yet alter his decision upon the Matter, He would, however, support the principle of the tax proposed by the Goverment, and hoping its details would be corrected in Committee. Sir W, CLAY said that the country was no doubt in finan cial difficulties. and the Right Hon. Baronet, in order to meet those difficulties, had proposed a tax on the income of tho country. The Right Hon. Baronet had, however, told th em on a former occ as i o n, that the raising of a revenue by taking money directly out of the pockets of the people was a vulgar expedient. It was his (Sir W. Cla)'s) belief that the process of indirect taxation was decidedly the more convenient; and certainly any system of indirect taxation was p refera ble to a tax soinquisitorial as that proposed by the Right Hon. Baronet. The plan of the Right Hon. Gentleman was one which would press most severely on the industry of the country, The ob. jections to an income tax were so numerous and inevitable that he felt he need not detain the Committee long on that subject. The Right Hon. Gentleman might perhaps say that if he gave way in the case of terminable annuities, he must in other, cases, but he (Sir W. Clay) thought the argument of his Ho n . Friend, the Member for Westmoreland, was very strong, and that the Right Hon. Baronet ought nst to persevere in au in. justice that would 'impose a tax first on interest, and then on capital. And it similar cases -hould be made out, surely the Right Hon. Baronet would not refuse an exemption. The in come tax pressed in the most galling manner in 1816: there was no reason to expect it would be less so now. Why was the farmer to be freed from inquisition ? His profits would be taken at half his rent. Against this favour to the farmer he (Sir W. Clay) protested on the part of his constiiuent•. B u . he denied that there was an adequate necessity to justify the Right lion. Baronet in imposing an income tax. This mea sure was the price of protecting one interest at the ext.ense of another—it was the price of monopoly. His opinion was that revenue fell inversely as the price of subsistence rose. Ilse revenue of 1815 was, including the income tax, 7 5 ,450,000/. The revenue of 1819 was 54,257,0001. ; the difference being 20,780,000/.—( Hear, hear.) But there h ad been re pealed taxe s t o th e amount of 14,300,0001 ., so that fourm o s t y ever ears known. were was the real falling off in the r evenue, in the four years from 1816 t o 1819 was 6,400, 000 L Now what w as t h e remarkablyBl lo s. w 6 ard. . The mean p r i ce o f the the quarter. Th e next . price of corn during those four years ? I t was th e highest al next four years was 535. 10d.—in 1820-21-22-23 . The re venue, as before stated, in 1819 was 54,257,000/. Th e revenue in 1823 was 54,460,0001., being an increase of 290,0001. Bat ,aicen off to the amount of 6,00000/ se36 inclusive, the price or corn was 495. Th 4 recrease in the revenue during those.years was 730,0001. Thi tillowing four years was a period_ Of eoniparatively;high prices the mean price was 635. Now what w as th e e ff ect upon thi ilevenue? Why that the revenue fell off to the amount o 1,860,000/. From all this it was evident that the income of tin country depended in a g reat degree up on th e cost of subeis t enct From the figures h e had stated, some remarkable deductions were to be drawn. In the five years to which he had referred, the price of corn was 495. Id. per quarter, and he had the au thority of the Right Hon. Baronet, that, under the Corn-lay proposed by the late Government, the price of corn, ran,ging at 40s. a quarter, if added to the fixed duty of Ba., would give a price of 48e a quarter, or Is. a quarter less than the price when the revenue manifested the increase. There was, there fore, every reason to suppose that instead of a deficiency under that plan, there would have been a very large increase. But he was aware that this reasoning, however just, might not apply to the present emergency, and that though the income of the country might gradua ly improve, B et it would not be early enough for the occasion. In thudget of last year the deficiency was estimated at 2,400.000/. e and had that Budget been carried, his Right Hon Friend cal culated that there would have been an increase of between 1,6110,0001 , and 1,700,0001. which would have to be (Wowed from the deficiency, and it was doub ful whether foe theapproech ing year there would have been any deAciency et ell. He was sure the House must see that there were other means short of an in come. tax which world guil t . sufficient to pr o d uce t h e d ef i ciency *high' it lees necessary 'to raise ; th e Ri g h t Hon. Baronet inacti'm:opesifions which would h ave a serious effect npate the codntry in general ;, the Right Hun. EAfOnet appaseed eer fait+ te _ee - cat . e e dajenteie the eh star of R e fo rmer . Tin nei destroy the manufac ture of eterele,' vet, e 4upperet of the m easure out of doors, he heileTed thtt ig t Hen. Baro ne t wou ld f i nd it Pflt ajponeet she middle classes, but amonsr the ehartiets, for the former dreaded it as the suicide of Oir CiplalttetN-411, old also cause a reduction of wages. Tee suet :wee, egnee that class by whom the Right 1 - tan, was now sonpoeted, seeinyhe ruin e i f the efeer elesees felko,n therneeler,e, wooldrene their r esat" esind . net. He would oppose the) ex bent beeause of itsba se and inquilitori:ll cheractee, aisd tri c p,.u i e he believed it was not required by tile, eseegeneee of the State. Believing that the re'Reieed - esine might' be provided by adopting the eeski Of tailetion proposed in the Budget of last year, he vvesesi t i dive the measure every opposition in his power, Sir 6: CLERK said that on e t etilentc4 '9Xten,st7e natnre as tteet, ;entice ceeettteeition, fief . woul t d cepeedee it his Agq. 'the feW reniaris which lee had to. make as much as `possible, and he rejoiced that there were some points upon which the Hense . agreed;and which it was not nea cessary thereihre to discuss . at all. There was no person, ;milli, fhe exception of the Hon. Baronet w h o hail jen e t sat demon ; who Contended thee it was per e eible d tek ellow disceepency kgt 7 l an r` r ip i e n at al lott "I. ta e k7 el? t i :" s ;‘?alis c r t 2 e .7 't t seemed that it a sp be unwise meetto the d'effeiency by a fresh issue of Exchequer bills a vote of credit, or by making any addition to th e d e b t , w hi c h would be only pUtti ng o ff th e evil day, when they must ieteite . additional taxes to make tiel the deficit i l::i Ikt.f one could imaeie j e • r _het heist "ce eidudtio e d reside in oife eltpfddifirti 4 the . nresee moment. Fe"one, the events Which 'l4d 'recently happened In it must be evident that there could be tie prospect of any reduction in our establishments. On the contrary, it would be the duty of the Ggverninent to propose supplemental military estimetee in Order to retrieve our disasters in that ceentre e H entie e men opposite Omitted that if tile nest ssite for the imposition of the income tee could be rised . e nut, they won' t ! tot obje 01ct to it they erged that wee s so oppeessive and so inquisito rial, trial every 1;4 Should be made to use other means to mike itp the deficiency before recourse was had to a direct tax upon property and income. The Right Hon. Gentleman, the. Member for Portsmouth, had said that twenty e twg sniUio s 4 f taxation had heeg taken gff since The star, end lad suggested the re e inmeeition of eyrie of these taxes rather than the impo sition elan it - rem-pc tax. ft g hoeld be recollected, however, that the toes dins reduced were taxes en articles of consumption used by the poorer classes, and that the re-imposition of them weeld he inflicting a btirden on the lower orders frog ealeieh e the wealthy were permitted to escape. The greet nbject ef on , gentlemen opposite seemed a; he to re-iareiduce - the Budget of last year.—( Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman, the lete Chancellor of the Ex c h equer , h a d g i ven i t as hi s op i n i on that by an alteration in the duties on sugar and timber, and ley the imposition of a fixed duty on corn :the/ mieht m a k e op, if not the whole deficieriey, at least a ge portion 9,t He di red from them open filet peint and he found that in doing so he was borne out by the authority of the late Presi dent of the Board of Trade,' who stated on Friday night last that no modification of existing taxation would, in his belief, enable the Government to meet the difficulties of our finenedee situation. With regard to the question of sug a r , bed peen so touch alluded to in the course of these dlecieseso,nee the justification of the egerse the Government had pursued upon that subject was to be found in the fact that a reduction of that duty would lead to an encouragement of the slave trade ; but he hoped that measures would yet be taken by the slave-hold ing states, which would enable the Government to relase their policy upon that point. The Right ,Honourable Gen tleman who last sat (hewn hid hie rerredy"elso, atad lie'"S i afd Olaf a 'repeat of the"Corn-lavvs was ` that remedy. But he thought that the subject of corn been had folly (Use . coseed already, and he believed the more the measure o f th e Geyernment wee ienciete, the Mort; it Will be appreciated, and the roOreeafisfectety it would appear to the people every day. -.( Cries of " Oh, oh," and " Hear, hear.") The Noble Lord, the Member fur Sunderland, said that if they had ii 07ced dtity they would hive k_ large Femme, but he b elieved the he ro e rtia jo oppose d scheme of 'a fixed` dUty vgotil consider they had a good bargain in the incerne tax. The Right Hon. Gentleman, 010 late Cheneelhir Of the Exchequer, in bringing toi t iiteed hid Bid:get, hid stated that he expected only 400,0001. 'Mt: BARING in addition to the revenue already received. Sir G. CLERK--He certainly did not so nndeestand the Right Hon. Gentleman when he bromelit ijerwee:d t hist Widget. And it was neee, for the` first tlnie;tbathe was lead t o be lieve 'that' the Right ITOn. Gentleman expected 900,0001. The'Hon. Member for Lambeth seemed to think the tax was imposed merely for the war i n Affghanistan, whereas it was t 9, eßler the Iyhole geyeeeal deficiency of th e revenue. lewas not b.ilvisable to dithetly that defiiency limit taxes on consumption. With regard to the duty on foreign timber, if they doubled the duty on Colonial timbe r th e y m i g ht rece i ve an increase, but it could not be made available for the present year. There fouties re it was impossible to look at any alteration s f the tuber'at'a niearia of seeplaing thee crefigio* . y, Hivin g re- Priihflaitigris, anti made great reductions in the duties on raw materials for manufactures, what was there inconsistent in extending the benefit of a reduction of duty to their fellow-countrymen in the Colonies ?—( Hear.) The Hon. Gentleman strongly adverted to the question of to, bacco ; but he (Sir G. C.) did not think that there, %yes any tbines wring is eodeaeourin ie to induce`fridia acid Australia q leY4lt 'Up 6e moo rittsfy of thP'Vnitea State s, ley a reduction of 3d. in the Pound . in the.luty. He had heard with some sure prise the declaration against direct taxation, from the Hon. Baronet, the Member for the Tower Hamlets, that it was ena bling a tyrannical G overnmen t to l ay hold of the property of the people, and w as en ti re l y oppose d to the princWss e free Government. —( Hear.) fie (Si r g, itgretted th4t flonOtirab'e' ltli‘anter for Bolton had not been in his . place when the Honourable Baronet laid down that principle, because, he would have heard from him a comparison of the propoiition of direct taxation this country bore to the direct taxation of France, and other coun tries of Europe. That Hon. Member had been most emeietie to ley on the table of the house steteeeellt - ar tire "finances of 111 the Couniria of E4ope, in order to show the proportion the direct taxation bore, and the proportion the indirect taxation bore to the total revenue of the country. It was perfectly true that life annuities and life interests would feel this tax severely. The Hon. Member for Lambeth had rea d an ex t ract from -a work, by Mr. Sayer, to show that varione claesee a the geontl • wild &,g1 thw ta.li istith - diffetcitt degrees of se verity, on oceount of t he nature of the property ; but this ob jection would apply to every other tax, and he did not think it applied to the property tax in a greater degree than toother taxes. It did not apply in a greater degree than to the window tax, or the house tax. A man with immense wealth would perhaps occupy lodgings, and pay no rate or windew tax, whilst tha pdet tenefft wa obliged 'td OcCitiiy a liOuse, and have a greater amount of window taxes to pay than his rich neigh bour, who had an income above him of a hundred fold. But he (Sir George Clerk) believed that the great objection to the in come t ax was t h at it would nress heeky on the profits in trade, and the great exae 010 it sYus inenieitoriel . An übieeto3l to this kind of tax had been taken by no less an authority than Mr. Fox, and his objection was, not that it pressed too heavily on the trading interest of the country, but that the landed in terest of the eog i ery w as th a t w hi c h f e l t it most severely, be cause thee hid no means of escaping fr om th e o p era ti on o f t h e Nowth tax. Noe principal objection urged to this tax was the diSelosure which it required the merchant or the trader to make frosts time to time•of than: efihire, and that, perhaps, at a moment when it would. be extremely inconvenient, and perhaps ruinous to him to make that disclosure of his affairs. Now, he thought that the modification proposed by the Right Hon. Baronet would go far to remove that ob 'mction. in the first pl ace , th ose di sc l osures would not be ade but e't the option of the parties, and than nut before per sons of a similar calling, and who might be expected to deal with partiality, actuated by political motives, or otherwise. Those disclosures would be made before special commissioners, sworn to secresy. The . sum to be raised by this tax, and the other measures to be proposed, would amount to more than the spm required, but he thought it wa s much !setter t o ra i se an amount by a prop er ty-t ax o f 3 'per cent. than to raise a smaller amount by a tax of 1 per cent., and the surplus amount would be applied to a reduction in duty of those articles which pressed heavily on commerce. One of the principal of these would be timber, and he was very much surprised at the objection of tie Hon. Gentleman opposite to this proposition, beeeuse whet he proposed was that reegremended by Sir Henry Parnell, that a reduction should be made in the duty on Baltic timber of 30s. Now he (Sir G. Clerk) believed that the pro posed plan would be of much more benefit to the consumer. Looking to the advantage to agriculture and to the trade of this country—looking to the shipping interest, he believed that there was no duty, the modification of which would ho attended with mere advantageous results than that upon timber. He believed that the increased consumption would in three or four years make up the deficiency, and give a great stimulus to trade. He believed that this reduction would give general satisfaction It was perfectly true there there were objections to the details, but he believed that when they were explained to the House, the House and the country would as sent to the principle upon which that redaction was framed, and they might look forward, in the course of a few years, to a great improvement in the trade and industry of the country. He could believe that that class of society in this country upon whom the burden of the property tax would prtncipally fall, viz., the landed proprietor, and the great capitalist, would wil lingly bear their part when they felt that they were giving re lief to commerce, far by so doing they would look forward to in, created happiness and comfort through all classes of the commu nity. He would say that the adoption of this measure would lead foreign nations to consider the extent of our re sources, and it would show to them that when the service of the country required it the country was ever ready to come forward. There was no doubt that this tax would press heavily on certain classes, but he trusted they mould look to the ultimate good, and trusted that that House would adopt the measure by a large majority. Lord DAL NIENY said he was anxious to take that oppor tunity of stating, in a very few words, his opinion of this mea sure. He was more anxious to do so, because he confessed that he did not participate in the extreme hostility exp-essed by many on that side of the House to the abstract princtple of the tax, because on one occasion, in 1833, he was found in the minority on a motion for substituting direct for indirect taxa tion,but it appeared to him that that the question was not so much the abstract principle of an income tax, but as to the necessity of its imposition —as to the present necessity for its imposition. All those who had preceded him in their oppo sition to:the measure, all had acknowledged that an emer gency might arise which would render the imposition not only necessary but expedient. The question then was, had such an emergency now arisen, and were we placed in the midst of such a crisis? He believed that very considerable praise was due to the Right Hon. Baronet for the manner in which he had introduced his financial statement. He (Lord Dal meny) believed that since the days of Pitt no statement was made in a more statesman-like manner, and with more felici tous language, and the manner in which he conducted them through the obscure labyrinth of financial details, imparting that interest which was only derived from a most volumnious development of the subject (Hear, hear) — and with regard to the proposition made he would say that it ~ i *is mach better than applying a fictitious remedy to the 1 resorting to an income tax? After the good-catured reebhalt. le I embaraesment of the finances of the coentry. But there were ; wiiieh bad been given to provincial Chancellors of th_ _ ni l ie 1 two causes only on which he should be disposed to support chequer, it would be doubtless called impertinent for in . i; i a measure similar to that proposed b y th e Ri g ht ri m , propose any new taxes.—( Hear. ) But it had been stated, tle i Baronet. The first would be supposing that the country was other evening, that a number of taxes had been taken the 3f fighting for empire and existence against some foreign foe, I without being of the slightest benefit to any one—such was t , t_il s. le I desirous of deetroying her power and blotting her from the ; leather tax, by which the country had lost four hundrede.. They e nations of the earth ; in that case he should submit to any sand pounds, and the consumer had gained nothing. "ho s Y the is ' sacrifice, for that sacrifice would be nothing compared to the knew that 25,000,000. of taxes had been taken . off , nut 1, I evil it would ward off. Or if the Right, Hon. Gentleman . the war. Would any one say then, after that, that it w e e, r ; had come down that night and stated to the • House the ex- possible to raise two or thee millions without raising the tessera Fr 1 istence of alarming deficiencies in the revenue, and stain of necessary articles of consumption, and with far less ph rh e art e ' that deficiency was more likely to accumulate than diminish, on the country than must result from the income tax: t e to ne hi t and with that defi c ie nc y existed a previous depression hear.) The second ground urged why they should a,11 , , , ri i ; , e of trade, and that universal distress prevailed, when whole tax was the commutation of the taxes which the R n u an t ri pro , 1 - classes could find no work, when there were whole cities, Gentlemar, had mentioned. The Right Hon. Gentlecountry ; r , like Paisley, in ruin—if to remedy this frightful calamity there posed a eeneral revision of the import duties of this when, if ate t 1 had bee n att empts to repea l restr i ct i ons on trade i n or d er to he Air. C. Wood) would not now revert to the imputationhc_ a _t t t I open new ehannels for industry, by giving a stimulus to enter-, on those unfortunate duties last year—( Hear)— ), prise, and if to do this he had stated that, it was necessary to Hon. Member attempted to revert to them, a universal titteraeeh , make an immediate appeal to the property of the country, was their only reception from the other side, a d a broadtu: h. , he would, in that case, have been willing to have offered his al ways met: them.—( Hear.) Now, he was quite ready-to support to tho Right Honourable Baronet, and should have mit that a revision of the im 1 good 0 given the measure his cordial assent, as now he , good in itself, as it might be made subservient to opt to that , . apposed it with an uneompromising resistance.—( Hear. ) I the many. With , this view he gave his hearty suise ih. no The Right Hon. Baronet's measure was one of. partial legis- , measure last year ; but he apprehended there could o,i. u ern , e sue ' bijou ;it was brought forward in order to enable the Right doubt, oven although the Right Hon. Gentleman_ in di es! , , t o ' 1,., Hon. Baronet to preserve the existence of a monopoly —to to doubt it, that a revision of those duties might be co _ wee , enable the Right Hon. Baronet to favour the interests of a servient to an immediate increase of the revenue of the eno u ve "J the particular class. Those were the objects for which the, Right —( Hear.) If the Right Hon. Gentleman would remove _ eau , Hon. Gentleman had brought forward a measure which had differential decrease of duties, an immediate increase h., t ,ti r Bon , Port duties was a g ood i nt he easurieh never been resorted to except in times of war s Those were the would.ensue. In the list of duties proposed by the I ,', th o t 2 w as a I objects for whi c h th e Right Hon. Gentleman introduced that Gentleman the other day, there was only "e which was wag' I measure which would have the effeet of sending over the land a differential duty ; in Many articles where the hollow" C whole army of tax.gatherere end commissioners, invested with decreased one-half no increase of consunaption wouldsne had' I' the most obnoxious end, immiseorial powers.—( Hear, hear.) If the Right Hon, Gentleman had called on them, ; hie }, l e- A more &liege epeortnnitv than the present never was given told them that there was a de ffi ciency of re venue „ s emi t 53 to too Alinister of the Crown to hand down his name to a (paired to be made up, and had asked them to take in hrhe greeefeh posterity by the introductio n of such a measure as that end, he (Mr. C. Wood) was sure there wouldis side would revive British interests and , rescuscitate Eeites,le corn- been no . objection made to it by Hon., Members oh, eh be mereee-o( Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Geellileneeen neglected of the House. But how were the main articles 0 . a%; eon s. 'that opportunity. No one could tieulet eise i t the Right Hon. the Right Hon. Baronet ? He remembered, that I°o by. Gentleman had sufficient power tee Wee such a mea ure, but sideration of the import duties, a table was given in article-s, he had exerted that pewee foe particular classes, instead of Pater, in which it was mentioned that there were e ,,, e .4- legislating for the hetnreshe awl advantages of the ,country at hem which resulted 94e per cent. of the whole revr et large. leg elee,se reasons, he (Lord Dalmeny) would strenu, rived from the Customs, and which were wholly untou ched. rh i c i e s o f the lie, g e en sly opev tho proposition orthe Right Hon. daronet, cept in some very triflin deeree. Only three, o da Ale.. %). WOOD said he did not know what raison the were differential. The article of corn was atac i f...i i i which Aight Hon. Baronet had to say that he anticipated opposition would not say more on corn now, than that the. ne lni!"- the'e igen i from that (the Oppeettion) sid e of the Rouse, whatever it had been dealt with was utterly insufficient for the hrtiele ° might be the financial measure proposed. If that cies of the country.—( Hear. ) The next wa s g the Bight was the fieet tepee he (Mr. C. Wood) had taken up the coffee, amid he did think that in his charge sa c 5 opinion; len entertained waling the income tax, he might be , Honottrable Gentleman had unnecessarily litae ° er , oRt he etubjecied i to such a censure ; but when it was recollected thee 1 duty. The, next article was that of ticu_ Gevere reeet in lEeles, he had voted with the Welt Hon. Baronet egetast : (Mr. C. Wood) would say that on that article the.teon f re" seleh a tax—last year he had suFpnrted the prow:el:time of the ' had made. a large, a needless, and a wanton reduction cods° Hon. Member for Portsmouth, and after eheet he (Mr. Wood) tuns.--(Cheers.) With regard to timber he e s such s ' knew not upon what grounds he weeteehe charged with giving that he was at a loss to understand on what ground' been ir a factious arid vexatious teptipsttiine tei doing that now which he ' enormous and such a needless sacrifice of revenue ,org l had already d otteee:Ahseee lee heel acted in perfect aceordele s e curred ; and certainly the Right lion. Gent•hh wool e P.'"" e ', l l l thwith the Ito/ l ope oethe Right Hon. Baronet himsele e for if him for saying that he was very unlucky in his patsutou' i ehh tees aei s h one gentleman in that House wile Li t he depicted Sir Henry Parnell. The Right Hon. Member for oxi oe IA mere ferethle language than anoth er th e eeele of- the income • stated that in 1821 the course purshed was to all l os erisf tee, is, was the Right Hon. Baronet (Sett kit. Peel) himself.-- the foreign and colonial duties, by raiserg one an,, thr ee (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Wood) essede no charge against the the other. The Right Hon. Gent, had •quoted Sir c l r ei or s ioh e Right Hon. Baronet iter ethangeeg the opinions he had then as an authority for the course which he wa s p ursuitte taintog e t (Chentertained—circeenetenees were undoubtedly changed since— sing a nominal duty on colonial timber, and yaw' eige tnr eer* ire% the. Mirosterial benches)— but the deficiency at great a difference between the duty on colouial and fth s eeeher 1 Sir .. t hnt o re i peer* etas net greeter than it was when the Right Hon. her, that the duty en foreign timber should be 25 th'r en , e Per 1 Peerenet expressed his opinions against the incosge tax ; and than that on colonial timber. The plin which ueint those grounds he (Mr. Wood) said, for himself and hell purposed, however, was, that there should be 7 istine de: his friends on that (the Opposieeme) side of the House, cluey of 355. on all timber whatever, making no obi' that at least they should net be accused of a factious between the two, but at the same time imposing a- rot iiebe'' and vexatious tempeitton; merely because they retained the would give a great increase to the re.venuederivablv fr i o iisi t iro' opiniees they h,ad already • expressed, not deeming those If they had reduced the duty to 7s. or Bs. upon c°°olberi lie oeteetteestaneeti sufficient to change their opinions, though ber, and, eontinued the duty of 30s. upon foreign " A. rii!-,, r. Right Hon. Baronet had tholeht prewar to change his.— believed a large increase of revenue would 1)• obtainen uo pti?!: I (Hear, hear.) In coalmen with, his Noble Friend-who had mire the three articles, of the great articles of eel' ffers ee s t: just sat down, and the tether Hon. Gentlemen who had act- with which the tariff psoposed to deal, which were, chil d 9 s r suchdressed the ?tenses, he concurred in the neceSsity of raleitig ditties. With sugar they refuse to (teal at all, and " e f e ebee Ll o I eVnis. 4 c9PutV as were necessary to sustain the honour of but express his surprise that the Chancellor of the, to fr° ' t c.,o,untq . The estimates were not voted 1 Haut he (Mr: should say that so long as an acre Hate supply ethel lu e 0 a n e . Wend) would answer for himself and fog those around him, the colonies, there was no reason to deal whle„h e G ene that they would give no opposition whateyer to a vote of that ( Hear.) He should like to know what the Right L - „ t old tha t b House to raise such sums of neoney as were necessary to maintain man considered an adequate supply. They had ~0 . brute. the independence and honour of the country—nu disposition the quantity introduced hest year was the largest, e h h e t MLR, had been shnem upon that side of the House to give any oppo- into this country ;he (Mr. Wood) was rather inc"" t he " L T; eittoet to the raising o f ju s t an d necessary taxes. For his own that that was not the case, and if they would refer t A n e, he (P•ei, Fel he was prepared to vote for any taxes that might be really Gentleman the Viete-President of the Board of 'e ra ; test a l,l required, but he could not see that that dsclaration (which he Wood) had no doubt that he would bear him out h eea red' made with the utmost sinemity h was in any way inconsistent Ilion. He remembered last year having a return P a l r h asto.4 with his intention ;pd determination to offer a most determi- the Board of Trade, which showed' the aetu. on d' ir e l t, nate oppositeeet teethe measure which the present Government which had been brought in for home consumPA,joo w er e bretsgiee eorwerd. That a, tax was necessary he (Mr. Wood) was the year 1831, and it appeared that instead of 3, '" ht. , se t he noe diseho t sed to, deny,—(e Hear, hear," from the Ministerial being the quantity introduced, it was 4,3600 0 e n eeted o l e l) be.techee ) that additional taxes might be necessary, ho would believed that a much larger quantity had been iut r e i r. tV e not deny.—(Cheer s fro m th e Ministerial benches.) He would year, without reference to population ; but he le ss rode nt go the length of saying even further, that, obeectionable as was thought that the best way to consider this question W e r ote to the income tax, if s there, was an urgent neeessity shown fo.• it, with it,in reference to population, and he thought lloo d yr he would not he eposed, to give any opposition even to an in- that it would be found that if the supply had been s e ed i ! t ei cones tax; but he thought the necessey for it should be come in so as to benefit the consumer, the revenue w ri ro t Wendy she:wet-4 should be shown by most conclu s ive proof. beset increased some hundreds of thousands of peun sol 0 , 1;i et the Right Hon. Gentleman had altogether failed in wine and fruit also the Right Hon. Gentleesta n b Clt a , h , aeldneing those proofs.—(Hear, hear.) Was it not necessary propose to deal. If in the present position of the Frer e ! , c bs ( ' O , that. the Government should demonstrate the neeensity for the hers we were to wait for their reduction of the tart i ,,, e; be tax beyond all doubt ? The Right Hon, Gentleman had C.'Wood) thought they should have to wait a lone t e ll' i . clit ae attempted to show that no alternative had been left to the prehended the sound principle was not to watt ' A ' ai hbt, b e country; except the adoption aan ineome tax. Ifthathad been ( Hear,) If the • duty was taken off here, they ietahlas. shown, as he (Mr, Wood) thought and firmly believed it had .end upon it teat, by some way or other, our 117 )t ter eer s not, sew, ;mends might be given for imposing that tax upon taken into that country. On this subject nO ha d 03 Ole' country,-.,( Hear, hear.) He did not want to, use any thority could be quoted than the name of him wb° ne exaggerated expressions in showing the House the objection- so often mentioned in the course of this debaterjt ~".h able nature of that tax. He would merely refer to the always with respect and reverence—he allude"' t e a t 'Soo language of the petition of the citizens of London in 1816, Deacon Hurne.—(Hear, hear.) His opinion wasseonie Viet it stating that an income Utz was arbitrary in The and •at should always give the freest admission of other ehge, 7 0 1 variance teith, %he interests of the country." The necessity far this country, and leave other countries to take adve r p h eit" r e tip OA at that time was greater than it was at present. No as they thought fit, and the result would be a gi be g,el h e body could look back at the financial state of the country at interchange of goods. He would not go over e ell i ns that time and say that for two years en Meome tax was not principle on which the proposed tariff seemed to betaelelhe more necessary then to whed, elp the heavy expenses of the but he could not help referring to the impolicy of es I ve il 10 war than the present tax was necessary for three years.— dithereutial duties. He had csrtainly been much °lir tuse l i ne (Hear, been) It was then stated that an income tax running his eye over the tariff to see these duties intro e' „. enia necessary to place the finances of the ceentry upon such an extent, He would admit the clearness w i a ' es tios tt i , • a solid basis, and such was the oppositima, given to the tax, the Right Hon. Gentleman had entered into many ; l e hi c o. that Lord Liverpool's Government was obliged to give way, he admired the soundness and clearness dise la Yc e eter s h e and leave the country in le large deficiency. The objection to Right Hon. Gentleman in enlarging upon the , _ e i n les h e the tax was not its amount, but its obnoxious principle, and its and his only wonder was, that with such ~prti l e, h hti erhierery inquisition into the private affairs of the people. That Right Hon. Baronet could stop where he del. w ont was the universal ground of complaint. Was it likely that the . hear.) ele could not help thinking that the tar i teef ee d, objections to it would be less now than they Overeat that time? I by the Right Hon. Baronet had been laid on t he t, irl d do, Were they to be told that, i n th e present sleets. of the manufae- i the House without due consideration. With resP: t eel" „a tures of the country, the inquisitoria l ; pracess sanetioeed by the sto the import of foreign cattle, he :quite agreed eel' 0 .. present measure was likely to, be more palatable than ' Right Hon. Gentleman that the alarms on that O Ad the r , it was in 18l6?—(1-Aear, hear.) On the contrary, the measure fou,•cled But with that exception, and he would 1 "„ ea' I neve re.ceenneeiedeit was likely to cause paying to no end, or a tiele of coffee, he knew of note from which the de 's fle ar eh 1 shiedioattre of affairs which might lead to immediate ruin. lie . duced so as to lessen the price to the consumeer s ,stc. j i ! did not think that any modification meld be introduced that The income tax was proposed to maintain motiol' ° ':, i s ce is s hl could mitigate the pressure of thee neeneure; he believed they ' as the revenue of the country was concerned, he wa s h j osseh• should take the tax as the Reg ht Hon., Gentlemen had pro- , that it could ho made op from other sources far less 'h es e rr e pesed it, but the unthirneeseweth which it pressed upon incomes ' unjust than income. So far as the commutation of t a en e s i li a derived keen peofessions, or fro m temporary means, .he saw nothing in the mode in which the impost ete e , see d emit • Wend all doubt a fatal objection to the ire,- dealt with which should induce the House to submit as, Pctsitinn of such a tax at all.—(Cries of " Hear, hear" ) tax as the one now proposed. He knew not tha s s od 0 , There was an argument u se d by Hon. Gentlemme on the op- which had been said could tend to remove the eeitn it bs t h o t posite side to which he (Mr. Wood) wished to refer ; he I quisitorial nature of this tax. He would conclude tae , ert i e meant the argum en t which went to show that those who sage from Mr. Fox, delivered in 1798, against this sente c r ere brought forward that measure were the friend s of th e people-- 1 eminent statesman said--" The moment the State e ve; es', that they proposed 4 tea which would in no degree p:ess upon , greet supply, I will grant it ; but let me ask, if jt ., . iti' the pnonr eliasses.,..that it would bear exclusively upon the rich 1 that the State should require so great an injusticte ths' : sesi Cheers and counter cheers)—and that it would not in the 1 An How. Meisteee. observed across the table • sel sli n 'e least bear upon that class of people who depended upon their : was in 1806. eadY coy' • personal labour and exertion to maintai n s themselves and ' Mr. C. WOOD said it was not so. 'He had alr ha t to ot their families.—( Hear, hear.) If he thought that was to the circumstances of 1806, when there was a i g:be c°,,, a true description of the measure, it would remove . nental war, and when the feelings and opinions } 1 he esis' one of the melte* objections it had in his (Mr. went with that tax, in order that the honour, ne t " h er Wheel's) epithion, In 1833, the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. of the country might be maintained. 0 er e 'd a ° ''' ' Peel) said that the effect of a tax like that would be to induce Mr. SCAttLETT thought that those who Pah, t bef he te persons to seek investment in foreign countries for their eapi- tax would contribute a much less amount than " e ee h ' ea' tal.—( Hear, hear .) Did the Right Hon. Baronet consider taxed in a more indirect manner. He denied that "'lend , ' how much of the employment of the working classes of this had arisen to justify the imposition of such a t3s* e t of t he country entirely depended upon the supply,' not of the necessa- such a necessity, but it had not arisen through all et " ties, but of the lexurtes of the rich. No doubt one of the greatest present Government, but through the mismanages' t ele elejeetio,ns to the tax was the effect which it would necessarily party who had been in power for the last ten years' (the t ae have, in forcing capital abroad to other countries. There was Mr. POULETT SCROPE wanted a eefinitie?.°,hilh'isse'' already too great a tendency to produce that effect—( Hear, " income tax"--what the incomes were, and on wu- idholl' hear)—and what was .still more, it was well known how was to be levied. He would take the instance of an 0 e '', ll , lii large a portion of the produce of , the foreign manufacturers' in a town who kept a member of cows for the l in iti ch :efi ts' establishments—the rivals of this country —were every day ins- plying the inhabitants with milk. Was such an in the ';eal' e ported by English capitalists.—( Hear, hear.) Hon. Members wanted to knotte.to be taxed on the gross amount 'h e t° o f re' of that House' were heard to say that they had themselves thus derived, or did the Right Hon . - Baronet pro tter hf invested large sums in manufactures on the Continent, where allowance for the annual loss arising from the ne e cf: tea articles and commodities were produced cheaper in rival markets. placing stock ? He wished to be informed on t"'' t ritg It was well known that machinery was exported from this the Right Hon. Baronet. ..I , ' tt i, g o r country to the Continent—that our artisans were every day Sir R. PEEL said he meant to adopt the gen tee l ne ve r leaving this country, and it could not he prevented. In various of ; the Bill introduced on this subject by Lord hsee i etteh articles of our mannfactures, the Grecian and even the Swiss now Marquis of Lansdowne, when Chancellor of th e i l e io,, i f 1 1 ° manufactured articles were as good as ours, and much cheaper ; in the administration of Lords Gre and Grenville nost ril t o . however, there was hitherto one advantage retained in this If the Hon. Gentleman would refer to that Ace the e nte I tch country—that was, its greater amount of capital —(Hear, provisions of the most minute nature on all "e n 021 . 01 hear.) That single advantage —the accumulation of its capital— which he referred. The information contained r :, 0 6 0° . the proposition of the Right Hon. Baronet was calculated to the Hon. Gentleman would find to be much rsi ° lhni , re e tu s annihilate • that advantage.—e( Hear, hear.) If the effect of than it was in his (Sir R. Peel's) power to giv'', be r fi .' r ees : h the measure proposed by the Right Hon. Gentleman was Mr. P. SCROPE was apprehensive that, th s er octs he r i merely to drive capital abroad (and no :one could deny the Act, he might not be able to comprehend th j o ss O rh afteh that it would have that effect), it was certainly a laid down. He had referred to the case of anonaerson ice ineue most objectionable measure, and the Right Honourable in keeping up stock. He wished to know if a ev ho eseh s i o ese Gentleman would find that he would derive but very in the trade he had referred to would have any, his G r ady re' little from the tax which he proposes to impose upon the pro- him for the expenses incurred in other respect' ° t ee q o ay r e ducts of foreign capital embarked in this country, and so far Sir ROBERT PEEL said the Honou r a he t 3'. a the from the working classes net being interested in this measure, would find all those cases provided for in the a pplie b ole he (Mr. Wood) believed there was no part - of the country upon ferred to. whom it would more severely press. Those were the reasons Mr. P. SCROPE went on to say that if t i h s l e , " ; P erl9 ina y which induced him always to believe that an income tax principle of compensation in the case of c he a rellre s ' o e iris' should be reserved for time of war, On those occasions, when commodities, why not apply it in that of Wa n e repa ir ee e d e o the honour and independence of the country are concerned, much as expense was annually incurred in & the rtee r eoe ty the feelings of the people would induce them to submit to chinery. In the case of ship-owners, would „teener' o nee' taxes oven as obnoxious as an income tax, because then they rived from all the ships possessed by any one t one the e. io theo see and feel that the interests of the country depend upon them. they make allowance for the expense arisiee -r u r gency fre h The objection which had been taken against direct taxes in of keeping up a stock of vessels to meet .any derived repenht time of peace he believed to be perfectly valid and correct. trade? In like manner, in the case of inc" hor tbe we ° i If we looked at the history of our taxation we should find that houses, would not some deduction be suede b e rit e eriv e direct taxes had always been taken off .in preference to others ; arising from repairs? If such were the, case; i nc ome s h . a ech the property tax had been taken off for that reason, and other they not apply the same rule in the case I nc etnee b seh thew: tastes on the same ground. The assessed tax was the only from professions, which were by no enea ns di s tiog°l the two direct tax that now remained, and that would ere this have been manent character ? To a property tax, as re qire" ;„et tw o . removed, were it nut that people could easily relieve an income, he had no objection, if occasime rter wee _ s o e te te e h themselves from it, and for that reason alone were the people position ot such a tax. A tax on real proP i r oic e e be nwoe, into ent er , on e l f, reconciled to its maintenance. If there were now such a time post, in his mind, and from stating that oP t of warfare, as happily was Hot now the case, if we had now such shrink.—( Hear, hear.) He . would 0° t °eel s ' ~. t or v"% ea ney a war as the time when the property t ax was formerly imposed, the question as to whether the P rese t o n pest to then, he would say, as the country had willingly submitted to for the imposition of .an income ~ „e uo t o r e e re• ke f it before, he doubted not it would again, if similar circumstances tax a perishable income to the same 1 7,e o its of i n- ' t I oe• n occurred —( Hear) —he doubted not but they would submit to a property was to prevent outlay in the Pt - drive ca e ri l e - bt i l ti; tax so vexatious and so odious as this. But his firm conviction divert it into unproductive channels, °r ie e t . ber the ''''' r ishee was, that under existing circumstances it would be impossible, the country. He, therefore, asked, "'en between P e . tac t and he did say, therefore, that it w as a n unnecessary ,and a Baronet intended to draw any distinctie . I the .ot mischievous proceeding to make the country depend upon a and permanent incomes ? A . n prOved ° esrnm'ef tax whieh could not be maintained.--( Hear, hear.) He must Mr. WILLIAMS said, though he " isa t e . i t the Geer u iie° hi say that, in his opinion, the arguments which had been urged generally, yet he must say, that in preparahe the tinan e y n t heooo this, w o I P . e rBWiala:r 1 'lid mee onothatat tnedeeeer° e eting be a il fir the necessity of this tax had 'altogether failed,—( [lean) had taken a bold anti manly mode of e ms went o f t to ell 0 They were called on to supp or t it, fi rs t, because there was a tee country. Looking at the mismanage, it oug ht half, fro e deficiency in the revenue of 2,800,000 e, which, with a fair of the country fora great number of yea r ' eos Ind !„, h , th ef t , margin of 500,000/., made the total 3,000,0001. to be man with alarm. During the last seeen,Y januar y, le,; his b O O .O raised for the exi gencies o f the country. Was it, indeed, the 10th of October, 1834. to the 2115. t of Jan heecieneYwhiei be true, that we we re t o h ave recourse to such a tax as hail been no less than 169,00 0 ° ° . ° ,, e i nte rest °' ~ O„ t r e this to raise a revenue of 3,000,0001.? He did not wish to rowel of the Bank of Engla" li er w hole revei:,u'ehat t'he enter into any of the disputations which had occupied their 24,000,0001., or nearly half of La . c ear, he fount the ane tu al. time last year, but he could not help saying that, in his onion, sth of January in the Prese nt h h p , er to the Right Hon. Member for Portsmouth demonstrated, as a was only 3,600,0001., an the , Exe oh,the e due , matter of fact, that if his eroeositions heel been adopted, a of the interest en the debt than •"dee considerable increase of revenue would have resulted.--( Hear. ) This was a circumstance There could be no doubt whatever that 600,0e0/. more would should not have been in ° th r the interett ot uf tri t e bo u arm y ai rc h have arisen from corn if the Bs. duty bad been imposed upon ell third of the amount required fo sor .. ie " SUP°II crince w a ' o et ando e that corn imeerted last year , Of that there could be no doubt ; pendent of the other dert. 1 w hatever sa its dang ete co it was net a matter of estimate. but of facc.—( Hear.) He navy. He was prepared wise% the countr "' n ' The quel ie certainly was surprised to hear the Chancellor of the Excite- quired to be made to relieve H ear , hear. ) He for that quer saying that the same quantity of corn would have been position, ought to be made.—( to be made tile ,ny the _, edition to —. OOO O admitted.—( Hear.) He did not believe that anybody in or was, how the deficiency was a per manent a - 1 , 660. i e e out of the House would credit such an assertion, but they from 1834 to 1840 there li% 5 inaterest on which artsbeen ),Oktry o f f_e Eteheirnqupeorrtai,,nn.ci,errn_ Jew., i, and would believe with him (Mr. C. Wood) that the contrary of 33,900,0001., the c °l2 ef would be the fact,—( Hear, hear.) The same thing was areued a year, and during last year with regard to the sugar duties; and then the Chan- out inducements so . . During the h Govern'aroto annuities. the cellar of the Exchequer said that it was unnecessary to go into into permanent a intimated to - _ to pay s ee the proof of that statement, for he admitted it would be the last year he ha:, he co ll ec t ors of the t e r u g e : the vio c 7 l , case,—( Hear.) He (Mr. C. Wood) believed that the result of that if they compelled ''" ss amount of required rev to parrthe dif a reduction of the duty would have been attended with an in- the Exchequer the ou crease in the revenue of 1 ,500,0,30/. He was quite ready find that a sum Of 4 4 ?nted out that the deal presteet ; be , 0 to admit that the income to be derived from corn was impose lectors. He then Pot ea st , s N' - out . thah he , convert the the y il o . f_ nrt gos ., 0 sible to be calculated, so long as the l'd.scale ' s i ing was main- collection increasing; he • oily pointed which l '' t• e venue, _ _ n tained.—( Hear, hear.) But if anything like 1,500,000/. was that it was eonsta collection of the e__ °la° Wu! , or 41 f er er re h to be produced from that measure, and 400,0001. was to he raised 1806 the cost of the was only ee•- , _ ara . aunt 0 t h e t from Ireland, would any one believe that it was ;impossible to amounted to 58,000,0001., collected. In 1840 tne derive from Great Britain 1,0Q0,0001. or 2,000,0001. without on the gross amount I. of the revenue was a ' VN Lai ~ , p d , t,,