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7.4 • A • ~41, , =,;-4‘vi , 0 / it • aV: 7l lr4- ' awy - • PitrcE Stvtinnvct. NUMBER 9912. SATURDAY, JUNE 19, 1824. FICTUALLING-OFFICE, June 5, 18Y4. THE COMMISSIONERS for VICTUAL LING His MAJESTY'S NAVY, 4-c. do hereby gisse Notice, that they will be ready to receive Tenders in writing (sealed up), and addressed to them, on Friday, the 9th July next, from such Persons as may be willing to con tract for CONSTRUCTING a RESERVOIR, to contain Wa ter, at a place called Bewis's Field, near Plymouth; and for Providing and Laying a Line of CAST IRON PIPES from theLce to the Naval Hospital at Stonehouse, and on to Cresaill Point ; agreeably to Plans, Spec cations, and Form 4' Tender, to be seen at this Office, and at the Office of Cnn'nissioner Crtyke, at Plymouth Hospital. No regard will be had to any Tender that is not made agreeable to the prescribed Form, nor will any Tender be re. ceival for performing, - part of the Work only, but a Price nwsi be inserted against every article. Rerh Tender mast be delivered to the 'Board before One o'Clech on the said Friday, the Oth instant, and the Per son who makes the Tender,: or some Person on his behalf; net attend to answer when called Each Tender must be accompanied by a Letter, signed by Imo responsible Persons, engaging to become bound with the .Party tendering, in the Penal 511213 of 2,5001. for the shoe performance of the Contract. _ _ _ Ir_ILLER CLIFTON. PROPOSED SHIP CANAL from the ENGLISH to the BRISTOL CHANNEL AT a Numerous and Respectable MEETING of LANDOWNERS, MERCHANTS, BANKERS, and Others, held the 9th Day of June, 1824 , at the LONDON TAVERN, Bishopsgate.Street, Sir THOMAS B. LETH. BRIDGE, Bart., M.P., in the Chair, Resolved unanimously, That it is the opinion of this Meet-. lag that a Junction of the English and Bristol Channels, by means of a Ship Canal, will be of essential Advantage to the Commercial Interests of the Country, and, at the same time, promises an ample Remuneration for the Expence of its execution. That the Capital of the Company be for the present limited to One Million, and the same be divided into Shares of 1001. each. That a Subscription be now entered into, and the Books, be afterwards left at the Banking-House of Messrs, Bosanquet and Company, Lombard-street, for theturpose of receiving future Subscriptions, and that a Deposit of 1/. be paid upon each Share at the time of subscribing. What the Subscription-Book be headed as follows, viz.:-- " We whose Names are hereunto subscribed, authorize the ap plication of the several Sums subscribed by us, in defraying. the Expences already incurred, and to be incurred, in the Sur veys, Plans, Engineering Estimates, and other Charges nece.s oozy for preparing to apply to Parliament for an Act for mak ing a Ship Canal from the English to the Bristol Channel, and the further Expences to be incurred in such application to Par liament ; and that in case we shall decline to take the Shares set opposite to our respective Names, the residue of the Deposit DOW paid by us shall be forfeited to the Company." That whenever One Thousand Shares shall be subscribed tor, Mr. Telford be employed to Survey and Report his Opi hien upon the best Line and probable Expence of a Ship-Canal from the Bristol to the English Channel at Seaton Bay, capable of navigating Vessels of all descriptions, of 120 tons and of 200 tons burthen, Register measurement. , - That, SirT.B.Lethbridge,Bart.M.P. William Henning Esq SirChristopherCole,Bart.M.P. Richard Pemberton, Esq.: Captain Bastard, M.P. Samuel Bosanquet, Esq. Chas. K.K.Tynte, Esq., M.P. Robert Colmer, Esq. Wyndham Lewis, Esq., M.P. John Lee Hanning, Esq. John Bent, Esq., M.P. George Elwall, Esq. TheVeryßev.theDean of York John Burridge, Esq. David Pollock, Esq. George Browne, Esq. Rev. Dr. Palmer George Redman, Esq. be a Committee, with power to add to their numbers, from Sub scriptions of five Shares and upwards, for the purpose of dis tharging expences already incurred, and to be incurred, and of superintending the survey', and defraying the expences thereof, out of the monies subscribed, and that three be a quorum. That when the Survey shall be complete, and Mr. Telford's Report delivered, the Committee, now appointed, do call a General Meeting of the Subscribers, in order that the same may be considered ; and that such General Meeting may then adopt such ulterior measures as may then appear proper. That the Books do remain open till the 30th day of June instan t. That the Resolutions of this day be inserted in such News papers, in town and country, as the Committee shall think fit. THOMAS B. LETHBRIDGE, Chairnan. Resolved unanimously, That the thanks of this Meeting be given to Sir Thomas B. Lethbridge, for his able and impartial conduct in the Chair. AA a Meeting of the Committee, held at the Crown and Anchor Tavern on Saturday, the 12th June instant, the following Statement was agreed to be published : The Committee beg to submit for the information of the Public a short Statement, founded upon the best data which they have been able to collect from the most authentic sources of Information, for the purpose of exhibiting the probable re. turns to the Proprietors upon the execution of the Canal, and which will clearly demonstrate that a most ample remunera tion cannot fail to result to those who embark their capital in the undertaking. The length of the Canal, according to the Plan laid down by the late Mr. Rennie, was 41 miles, and it to not probable that any variation of the line, in consequence of the Survey about to be made by Mr. Telford, can make a Material alteration in that respect. Taking also Mr. Rennie's estimate as a basis, and adverting to the difference of prices, and to the proposal to substitute a Canal for Ships of 200 tons, instead of 120 tons, as formerly suggested, the expence of the 'execution of the Canal is estimated at about 1,200,0001., upon a calculation which the Committee believe to be not only fully adequate 'meet all exigencies, but to be made upon a liberal scale; the charges of Wear and Tear, Repairs, Management, and other incidents, when the Canal shall be complete, are taken at 1,0001. per mile per annum, making an annual expen diture of about 42,0001. From local and other information collected at various times and at several periods, and particularly when a Boat Canal was in agitation in the year 1822, the Committee are of opinion that this amount would be more than provided for by the Ton nage upon Lime, Lime-stone, Culm, Stone, Bricks, Tiles, and general Alerchandize for the internal trade which will be car tied on by means of the Canal. The annual expenditure being thus provided for, there will remain for the benefit of the Sub scribers the amount founded upon the following estimate : From Returns made to the House of Commons in the present Session, upon the motion of Sir T. B. Lethbridge, it appears that the amount of Tonnage which passed round the Land's End in 1822 was 1,030,430 tons, of which it further appears, that had the Canal existed, 654,000 tons would almost of neces sity have passed through the Canal, and probably great part of the residue from interesti convenience, or other causes. From local and other information collected in the Southern Parts of England, it appears that there was a consumption of ,Coals in 1811, amounting to 1,400,000 tons p er annu m, which has since considerably increased, but of which the Committee are satisfied with assuming that only 500,000 tons will pass the Canal. Besides these, the tonnage upon Copper, Iron, and sundries, not otherwise included, may be taken on a moderate kale at 100,000 tons. From these sources a tonnage of 1,154,000 tons would use the Canal, which, at Id. per ton per mile, upon the average, 'would produce an Annual Revenue of 201,0501. applicable to Dividend among the Proprietors, and amounting to above 18/ Pet' cent. The charge of one penny per tons per mile would fall so far short of the expenditure necessary in navigating round the Land's End, as to make it a matter of certainty that the Canal Would be preferred. In these remarks the Committee contemplate that the Country in a state of peace; but it is obvious, that should war at any time take place, the traffic upon the Canal would be increased in a very considerable degree. :e ip it VICTUA !LW G-oFli ICE, June 18, 1324. THE COMMISSIONERS for VICTUAL LING His AreIJESTY'S Arid VY, ere. do hereby give Notice, that on Friday next, the. 45th instant, they will be ready to receive 7'enders in writing (sealed nv), and treat One Thousand Sacks of BISCUIT .M EA L ; Six Hundred Sacks of KILN DRIED FLOUR; Fort!/ Tons of NEW OATMEAL; And One Thousand Quarters of PEASE ; To be delivered We His Majesty's Victualling Stores at Deptford, one-half by the 10th July, and the other hair by the Sd of August next. And also, for Five Tons of EAST INDIA RICE ; to be delivered into the said Stores by the 2d of drquist next. - The Conditions of the Contracts ,nay be seen at this Office. Each Tender must specify the price in word► at length, and be delivered _before One o'clock on the day appointed ; and the Person who makes the Tender, or some Person on his behalf, must attend to answer when called for. AI. rrw,LER CLIFTON'. EAST INDIA HOUSE, June 9, 1444. THE COURT of DIRECTORS of the UNITED COMPANY of MERCHANTS of ENG LAND TRADING to the EAST INDIES, do hereby give Notice, That they have received a Letter, Copy of which is as fol. lows, viz.:— " To the Honourable the Court of Directors of the East India Company. " London, June 5, 1324. " We, the undersigned Proprietors of East India Stock, duly qualified. request the General Court of Proprietors, summonvd for the iad instant, may he made Special, fur the purpose of taking into consideration the State of the Public Press in India, the Regulations that are now in force respecting it at the several Presidencies in India, and also the Proceedings which have attended the Suppression of the Calcutta Jour nal, and the Banishment of Mr. Buckingham and Mr. Arnot, two of its Editors. "JOSEPH HUMS. " DOUGLAS KINNADID." The GENERAL COURT, appointed to he held at this House oil -the 23d Instant, is therefore made further SPE CIAL accordingly. JOSEPII DART, Secretary. SPICE PLANTEttI. It appears by a paper lately printed by order of the House of Commons that, on an average of 16 years, the annual consumption of nutmegs is 42,6301b5. and of mace 24,8601b5. ; and a Memo rial, of which the following is a copy, has re cently, we understand, been presented to his Ma jesty's M iuisters, as well as to the East India Company. MEMORIAL of SPICE PLANTERS to the COURT of DIRECTORS.—June 11, 1024. London, June 10, 1824 4 That your Memorialists are possessed of considerable pro. perty at Bencoolen, and particularly of extensive plantations for the cultivation of nutmeg and clove trees, on which large sums have been expended, without as yet having yielded any adequate returns. That those pittntations were originally commenced with the immediate sanction and strong encouragement of yonr Ho nourable Court, communicated through the Governments in Bengal and Bencoolen, and have since been greatly increased, under repeated assurances of their continued support and pro tection. That in addition to these powerful incentives to their enter prise and industry, your Memorialists were from the beginning taught to believe, that, in establishing in Sumatra a counter poise to the Dutch spice monopoly of the Moluccas, they were rendering an acceptable service to Great Britain, and were in fact promoting a great national object ; and although your Memorialists disclaim the affectation of having allowed Treater weight to this consideration than, as men of bu s in ess an d mer chants, they may be supposed to have done, yet they do assert that it has operated throughout strongly on their minds as an additional encouragement to persevere ; nor could they antici pate that an object which had long been deemed so important in Europe would be lightly or abruptly abandoned, or that the interests of individuals, embarking their fortunes in such an undertaking, would fail to receive due consideration at the hands of the British Government. Under this confidence, and with these prospects, the Bencoolen Planters have gone on, for the last 20 years, extending their cultivation and increasing their outlay, until, through their individual exertions and at their individual cost, a sufficient quantity of the finest spices Is now produced at Bencoolen for the consumption of Great Britain and every prospect exists that, with due encouragement and protection for a. few years longer, that settlement might divide with the Moluccas the supply of the world. In this state of things, and when your Memorialists were looking forward with confidence to some remuneration for the great sacrifices of preceding years, they learn, with the utmost surprise and alarm, that Bencoolen has been ceded to the Dutch, and under circumstances which must involve your Memorialists in utter ruin. _ _ For, on referring to the Treaty between the two Countries, your Memorialists do not find any specific stipulations for the seta. rity of their interests, nor for indemnity against the losses which must overwhelm them, when the Dutch shall again be put in undisturbed possession of a monopoly which they have ever ex. ercised most rigorously, and to which they have always attached the highest importance. As to the general assurances of protection which the Treaty contains, your Memorialists know too well how to appreciate them; far without wishing to attribute to the Netherlands Co. vernment any vindictive feeling towards your Memorialists (however natural it is that such anticipations should exist in the minds of your Memorialists), still less meaning to question the good faith and sincerity of th e Dut c h ne go t i a to rs wh o s i gne d the Treaty, your Memorialists cannot forget that all expe rience shews the utter improbability of a jealous commercial state abandoning a profitable and favourite object to which she has invariably attached so much value, and to which she still evidently clings with equal pertinacity, merely because the interests of a few unprotected foreigners happen to be at vari. ance with her own, and require for their security a different and we liberal line of policy. Yet if the Dutch spice monopoly Is to be upheld in all its strictness (as the treaty declares that it shall be) and if the same principle is extended to Sumatra, (without which, indeed the declaration would be nugator y ) , t h e Bencoolen planter itt as effectually ruined as if every tree in his possession were torn up by the roots. _ The spice plantations of Bencoolen are still for the most part in their infancy—the clove and nutmeg trees requiring Bor 10 years of, incessant care before they bear any thing, anti then becoming only gradually productive until the 20th year, when they attain maturity. They are not therefore by any means as yet in a state to compete with the longer established and more favoured culture of the Moluccas; and so sensible were your Honourable Court and the British Government of this import. ant fact, that when the Spice Islands were restored to the Dutch at the late peace, a protecting duty equal to 30 per cent. was granted to the spices of Bencoolen when consumed in Great Britain; while throughout the British possessions in India they were relieved from all duties whatever when imported in a British ship. Your Memorialists conclude, that these Indulgences and pro. tections, both in India and in England, must cease with the transfer of Sumatra to an alien Power; and if to this be added, as must naturally be anticipated, the exaction by the Dutch of the same export duties at Bencoolen as are levitd at all their other possessions in the East, instead of a free export which is now permitted, the impossibility of your Memorialists carrying on their trade for even a single year must be apparent to any one at all conversant with the present situation of the Sumatran planters. Under so many depressing circumstances, as unexpected to your Memorialists in the midst of profound peace, as they are ca lamitous to their interests, your Memorialists see but one course to pursue; they throw themselves on the justice•and liberality of your Honourable Court and of the British nation, and claim indemnity for their losses. The transfer of Bencoolen will un doubtedly relieve the East India Company from a heavyan nual expence, and the arrangement may also possibly be pro ductive of i political and commercial advantages to Great Bri tain ; but t is inconsistent with good faith and common justice that these results should be purchased at the expence of indi viduals who have been led on, by the warmest encouragement of the Government under which they resided, (even up to the date of the last advices from Sumatra), to invest their fortunes in an object once deemed of high national importance, although now no longer thought worthy of support. Your Memorialists therefore most humbly but earnestly pray, that the necessary measures may be taken for ascertain ing the loss which will be sustained by your Memorialists, by the depreciation of the value of their respective plantations anti other property, an d th a t a fair and reasonable indemnity may be granted to them, according to the universally admitted prin ciple, that when the interests of individuals are sacrificed to national objects the sufferers are entitled to equitable cornpen .sation. The quantum of depreciation which their property will sus tain, your Memorialists submit, may easily be ascertained, under the superintendance of fit and impartial Commissioners, by putting up the estates of such proprietors as are desirous of re linquishing them to public sale after the transfer of the Colony shall have taken place, and comparing the price then bona fide obtainable for them w ith that at which they were respectively rated, in an official survey and valuation of British property in Sumatra, made very recently under the orders of the Superin tendant of that settlement, Sir Stamford Raffles ; a valuation which your Memorialists conchae to have been a fair one at the time, although cerfainly not including in its amount one half of the sums actually expended on the different properties. SUMATRA, To the Right honourable GEORGE CANNING. SIR-Iti the Debate which took place on Thursday last in the House of Commons, on the subject of the late Treaty with the Netherland's Government, I observe that you are reported to have stated, that the East India Company had given to the Spice Planters at Bencoolen the ground on which their plantations were formed, the plants, and the money to carry them on. Now, I beg leave to state, Sir, that all these three po sitions are incorrect. So far from the Company having land to give away, they were themselves obliged to surchase the land on which their own spice plantations were formed from the chiefs ' %% hose property it was ; and individuals obtained their lands from the same source, and in the same manner, viz. by paying for them out of their own pockets, without, in any one instance, having received ,on that account the smallest pecuniary assistance from the East India Company. With regard to the Company having furnished the plants, it is true that in the first instance they did so, in furtherance of the great national object in view ; but they have ceased to do so for upwards of 17 years, during which period consi derable new plantations have been formed, and the Planters have invariably purchased seedlings at a very high rate from each other. As to the other assertion, that the money was furnished by the Company, to enable the Planters to carry on their operations, the accounts of the Bencoolen Presidency will shew that the only solitary instance in which such aid was given to a single individual, was that of Mr. JANUS BooLc, a very extensive Planter, who, in consequence of the anxious desire of Government to introduce into that settlement the culture of Coffee, to rival (1w Dutch at Java, "Peuded very large sums in his attempts to effect that o bj e ct, but having completely failed, and his affairs being involved, the Company made a loan t o hi m , w hich was sub sequently fully repaid with inte res t, at the rate of 8 per cent. per annum. I shall hereafter address you on the subject of the Treaty concluded in Merck last with the Dutch, my object ut the present moment being merely to correct en error into which you have fallen, owing probably to the misstatements made to you by others. 18th June, 1824. MERCATOR. P. S.--Mr. WYNNE is reported to have said, that Bencoolen was twice taken during the last war ; it may be right, therefore, to mention, that it n e ver was once taken during the war, although it certainly was captured half a century ago by the French, but the natives soon drove them from their shores. MIDDLESEX SESSIONS, JUNE 18. OUTRAGEOUS ASSAULT, AND FALSE IMPRISONMENT, By 01'7mi:us OF Tilt COUNTY COURT. John Foster, William Horn. John Bradley, and Henry Halliteell, were indicted for assault and false imprisonment. Mr. PLAT T, in opening the case, said it was one of great im portance, and of a most extraordinary nature, and not less brutal than it was extraordinary. The prosecutrix, Miss Sydney Cowell, and her mother, resided at Chelsea, and let out part of their house. In the month of June,_ a Mr. Rawstorn cam e to res id e w i t h t h em , and continued with them to the month of December, when he left them, and at which time he was in their debt upwards of fifty pounds. He was also indebted to one of the defendants (Foster) who kept the Princess of Wales, a public house, in that neighbourhood, in a trifling sum. Soon after Mr. Raw etorn's departure, Foster called for his bill, and was inform. ed by the prosecutrix, that Mr. Rawstorn had left their house, and she did not know where he had gone to. Upon this he became very abusive, and said he would make either her or ber mother pay the money. lie called a ft erwar d s with another of th e defendants Morn), and conducted himself in such a violent m a nner, that the prosecutrix was obliged to apply to th e M ag i s t ra tes at ueen-squar e f or protec tion ; and on t h e i r h ear i ng the case they b oun d F oster over to keep th e p eace . O n t h e 7 t h day of M a y, t h e prosecutr i x being at:that time confined to her bed, and her mother absent from home, to fetch Sir A. Creighton, her physician, the de. fendants came to their house about eight o'clock in the even ing, and asked to see Mrs. Cowell. On the door being open ed they rushed in; Miss Cowell alarmed at the noise, got out of bed, and came to her room-door in her night dress, where she was Met by the defendants, who seized her a most violent manner, and dragged her down stairs into the parlour, where they treated her in a most indecent and disgusting manner, saying, they would teach her • how to take Foster to Queen-square. They Would not suffer her even to dregs herself, but dragged her into the street almost in a state of nudity, and afterwards forced her into a cart, where they continued their b ru t a l treat ment, until their arrival at Wbitecross-street Prison, where she was confined from Friday to Saturday evening, w h en s h e was liberated on liar mother paying v. Bs., the sum for which she was detained. The same witnesses who made these charges at Bow-street in the first instance; were now called; anti proved the facts; and the Counsel and witnesses for the defendants were unable satis factorily to meet this evidence. The Jury returned a verdict of Guilty against ail the de fendants. Lientetice will be passed on Thursday, PARLINMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS, Juxg 18. BANKRUPT LAWS. On the third reading of the Bankrupt Laws Amendment Bill, - The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the measure had been under his immediate consideration' and that of the Learned Judges during three whole Sessions. They had experienced in the fullness the difficulty of legislating on the subject ; and the present Bill was the result of their labours.' They had made it as perfect as they possibly could, but still in order that whilst the principle was established there should' still be an opportunity of amending its details, he did not wish that the whole of the Bill should take effect immediately. •He should therefore move a clause enacting that certain of its provisions should not begin to operate till the Ist of May, 1825. He did not extend this to all for the following reason :---As the law now stood, if any one of a bankrupt's creditors chose to refuse signing his certificate, the certificate could not granted. In the present Bill there was a clause giving the Com,misSioners the power in such cases, if they thought that the blinkruptey had been the result of misfortune and not of dishonesty, of re commending to the Lord Chancellor to grant the certificate. He thought this clause of so much use and importance that he should leave it to take effect from the very passing of the Bill. The Noble Lord and Learned Earl . then moved the additional clause, which was agreed to, and the Bill was read a third time and passed. NEW BILLS. ➢lr. BROODEN and others brought. up from the Commons the Supperannuation Allowance Bill, the Ecclesiastical. Be nefice Bill, and several Private Bills, which were read a first time. CONFERENCE. The same Hon. Members returned the Scotch Estates Entail Bill, assented to by the Commons, and deliveied a message, stating that the Commons requested a conference with their Lordships, on the subject of the Amendments made by their Lordships to the Vagrant Laws Atpendment Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR, after having consulted the House, covered himself,, and said, . . " Gentlemen of the House of Commons—l have to acquaint you, that their Lordships agree to a Conference, and that it will be held forthwith in the Painted Chamber." CATHOLICS. Earl GREY presented a petition from the Roman Catholics of the County and City of Waterford, praying in proper lan guage for the removal of the disabilities under which they la boured. Their 'petition had been attended with the expression of a wish that he would originate some measure for'their relief during the present Session. But though► he agreed with them as. to the necessity of such a measure, and should be happy to Introduce it, he thought that under present circumstances and at that late period of the Session, his doing so would be pro ductive of no 'advantage. He should, therefore, not accede to their wish, but should recommend their petition to the most se rious consideration of the House. The petition was then read, and laid - on the table. ERECTION OF CHURCHES. _ The Archbishop or AINTERBURY presented the Fourth Report of the Commissioners for building Churches. Since the last Session there had been eleven Churches built, which gave accommodation to 15,000 persons; and out of that number 9,000 were free seats. The Right Rev. Prelate then moved that the Report be printed. After a few words from Lord E LAX InsonouGH and the Archbishop of CANTERBURY, the motion was agreed to. Lord SUFFIELD was understood to postpone the Commit tee on the Equitable Loan Company Bill till Monday. Earl DA RNLEY presented a petition in favour of the Bill from the Watchmakers of London and Westminster. Earl GROSVENOR, presented a similar petition from the Tinmen of London.—Both petitions were laid on the table. EARL MARSHAL. Lord HOLLAND introduced a Bill for enabling the Earl Marshal of England, and his Deputy, to discharge the duties of that office, without previously taking the Oath of Supre macy. He owed an apology to the House for proposing such a measure at so advanced a period of the Session, though the apology would in some degree be found in the object of the Bill. But before he said more on that . part of the subject he should recapitulate - what had passed in the House relatively to it. Their Loidships would recollect that the Bills presented to them four or five weeks since by a Noble Relation of his (the Marquis of Lansdown), had three objects in view.-Ist. To allow English Roman Catholics to be Justices of the Peace. 2dly. To enable them to hold certain offices ; and 3dly. To en able the Earl Marshal of England to exercise the duties of his situation. To the first of these points objections had been taken on principle, which he should not discuss ; but no objection whatever had been made to the two points. Indeed, that which related to the holding of offices in the Revenue had. been represented by the Noble Earl opposite (Liverpool) not only as a proper, but as a necessary concession, and a Bill had been introduced by that Noble Earl, and passed by the House,to make it the law of the land. To the third point no other bjection had been made, than that it ought to form a separate Bill. Were the Noble Lord was interrupted by a Messenger, who informed their Lordships that the Commons were ready for a conference in the Painted Chamber.] VAGRANT LAWS. A Deputation of lieven Noble Peers, consisting of Earls HARROWBY, _ROSSLYN, COURTOWN, the Marquis of HUNTLY, the Bishop of EXETER, and Lords TORRING TON -and BE),ELEY, ,Was then appointed to confer with the Commons. At the end of about twenty minutes their Lordships returned and reported that the Commons had agreed to the first amend ments made by their Lordships, but disagreed to those contain ed in pages 35 and 36, and that they prayed that their lord ships would not insist on those amendments, in order that so necessary a Bill should not be lost. The bad of SHAFTESBURY then moved that their Lord ships do not insist on the said amendments. Lord ELLEBOROUGH considered them of such import ance that he should wish to preserve them even at the risk of losing the Bill. If that were the consequence, in order that the country should not be without vagrant laws, he should have no objection to suspend the Standing Orders, and to pass a Bill to renew the Vagrant Act of last year. Earl GROSVENOR suggested the propriety of having an other conference with the Commons, and asking them not to persist in their objections. Lord ELLENBOROUGH expressed his intention of divid ing the House. The question was then put, whether their Lordships persist ed in their amendments. Contents 13 Non-contents . - 25 Majority against the Amendments - 12 EARL MARSHAL. Lord HOLLAND then resumed his Speech, and stated, that the Bill which he was submitting to their Lordships, was formed precisely on the model of that which had received the sanction of the Legislature, and which enabled persons to hold Revenue Offices without - previously taking certain oaths. It would leave the Earl Marshal in exactly the same situation as the Officers of his Majesty's Army and Navy. It involved no principle which should afterwards induce their Lordships to go one step further in concession, and he had the declaration of some of the most jealous Peers on that point, that no danger could possibly arise from the Earl Marshal being enabled to exercise his functions. In fact, c ould it be supposed that the Stick of Earl Marshal should be more dangerous in the hands of a Catholic, than the sword or cannon in those of Catholics in the army or navy ? or that there should be more peril in a Ca tholic regulating their Lordships' heraldic bearings, that in his taking money out of their pockets? The eminent individual to whom the Bill related did not stand now in the same situa tion as he did before he knew that it was the unanimous, sense of the House that he should exercise the duties of his office. He had been suddenly deprived by a stroke of Providence of that person, whom, from tics of blood and affection, he must have seen with less reluctance fulfilling the functions which he was not allowed personally to discharge. At this moment, there fore, if there was in the House a disposition to grant him a boon, it might be granted with most grace, feeling, and gene. rosity. Their Lordships would recollect that it was the duty of, the Earl Marshal, at the close of a Session to regulate the ceremonies which attended its termination. Now from the loss which he had suffered there was no one to do it and was it at such a time that he should be called upon to acknowledge his own incapacity, and, without leisure, to make a choice, to ap point a Deputy to discharge duties which he saw Parliament was he should execute ? It was at such a time, on the contrary, that their Lordships' boon would be most welcome and most acceptable. He (Lord 11.) was not partial to the sus pension of the standing orders of the House ; but in a case like this, in which there was no difference of opinicin, he trusted that their Lordships would not refuse to suspend them. The place of Earl Marshal conferred no political power, and his proposal would giVe their Lordships an opportunity of doing an act of grace in the most kind and feeling manner, and at the most acceptable moment. The Bill consisted of only two clatises.— The first enabled the Earl Marshal or his Peptity to discharge the duties of the office without taking the oath of supremacy, and on taking no other oaths than those of allegiance and of office. The, second clause was merely for making the acts of the Earl Marshal valid, though he had not taken.the oath of supremacy. The Noble Earl then moved the first reading of the Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR should not object to the first reading of the Bill, neither did he think he should object to the measure on any other stage, but at that moment he could not give his consent to the proposal for suspending the Standing Orders. The Bill having been feud a first time, Lord HOLLAND moved that the Standing Orders, No. 24 and 26, be taken into consideration to-morrow; with a view to their being suspended. The Earl of LIVEII.I 3 OOI. did not think it would be fair to suspend the Standing Orders on a subject on which many shades of opinion existed. It ought only to be done in a case of absolute necessity, or when there were reasons to' think that no difference. of opinion prevailed. If the object of the Noble Lord were merely to have the Bill read a second time, in order to ascertain the sense of the House, and to postpone it then till the next Session, lie (Lord L.) should most heartily say Content to the motion. Lord HOLLAND said, that if the Noble Lord had the least 'scruple about the suspension of the Standing Orders to-morrow, he should not press it; but that it was neces. sary he shciuld give notieo that he intended to move that they be taken into consideration, in order to leave' the matter open. - The Noble Lord then moved, that-the Bill be printed. —Ordered. NEW CHURCHES. On the motion of the Earl of LIVERPOOL, the House went into a Committee on the New Churches' Bill. Lord ELLENBOROUGIi moved a clause to give Pa rishioners the power of appointing a Minister for three terms, or 60 years, instead of two, or 40 years. After a few words from Earl 1-lAunownir and the Arch, bishop of YORK, the clause was negatived. Several verbal amendments having been made" the `House resumed, and the RepOrt was received. IRELAND. On the third reading of the Ireland Clergy Residence Bill, Earl DARNLEY made a few remarks, but said that he should not oppose the passing of the Bill. Lord 'KING thought it most necessary ; for the Catholic Clergy was always resident and at its post, bat that of the Established Church never. A resident Protestant Clergyman, with a Protestant congregation in Ireland, was like an Oasis in the desert. He regretted that the Bill should be an exact counterpart of the English Clergy Residence Bill, for that he knew had proved inefrective. et it was strange that where a sleek and wealthy . R . ector could not live without endangering his health, the vivacious Curate should positively There was nothing so elastic as a non-resident Clergyman. He baffled all enactments ; yet he (Lord King) had a little appa ratus in his hand which would work wonders if it were adopt ed. It was in the shape of a clause, and to the following pure pose :—" Be it further enacted, that the absence of every eccle siastical minister from his benefice for every week afer six weeks, be considered a legal discharge for the fifty-second part of tithes due to the said clergyman." The clause having been put and negatived, Lord GORT proposed another, to authorise the Bishop, in cases where parishes had been united, which lay at too great a distance from each to allow divine service 41 be duly performed,. to appoint another minister. . This clause was understood to be agreed to, after which the bill was read a third time and passed. MARINE INSURANCE. Lord BEXLEY moved that the Alarine Insurance Bill be committed. The LORD CHANCELLOR did not mean to oppose the motion, but wished to call the attention of the house to the necessity that in bills of that kind some restrictions should be laid on those Societies which consisted of more than a certain number of persons. In cases of Corporations chartered by the. Crown, if those Corporations were not found useful to the public, their charters might be revoked through the means of a writ of Virg fades. But it was otherwise with respect tci partnerships and joint stock companies created by Act of Parliament. If they became mischievous there was ncs re- medy, they could not be dissolved. Ile should make no mo tion on the subject that night, as he did not consider thatit would be fair to do it, the parties connected with the measure not having had any notice, would be taken by surprise. But on the third reading, next Monday, he should propose several additional clauses, to give greater security to the public. Let their I.ordships suppose a company consisting , of six ty , mem hers, it would be impossible for any person to sue them, be cause it could not be known who they were, and because if they were known, all their names could not be introduced into a law process, without giving, them the advantage of putting a plea in abatement, and creating interminable delay by contend ing that such end such an individual was not a partner. The only way to remove the difficulty was to require that the world should know who those partners were ; and for that purpose he should propose that memorials should be enrolled in one of his Majesty's Courts of Justice, to give the means to the King's subjects of knowing who were the persons who formed those companies. He also trusted that their Lordships would think it reasonable that when those companies consisted of more than, a certain number of individuals, say six for illustration's sake, any two should be allowed to be sued as sufficient representa tives of the whole, and that if judgment were obtained aainst them, execution might be taken out as if all the partners has' been involved in the trial. It would also be necessary to introduce a clause to provide that all persons should remain liable till it had been demonstrated to the world by the enrolment of a new memorial that they had ceased to be members of the partner. ship. And in case the new partners 'should'not be responsible persons, it would also be necessary that the old members should remain liable for the contracts which they had made till a re gular transfer of shares had been made, and that such transfer should be considered null and void. till a record and memo rial of it should have been enrolled: He had said so much, not as an enemy to the Bill, but because he wished that its prin ciple be carried into effect with as little mischief and with as • much good as possible. If their Lordships should determine. to pass it without adopting those clauses, lie must say, in fairness to those Companies, that the first thing which he should do next Session, if he lived till then, should be to bring in a general Act in those views to affect all Companies of that kind. The Earl of LIVERPOOL perfectly concurred in all that had fallen from the Noble and Learned Earl. He thought; however, that the regulation proposed, had better be the subject of a general Act, though he should not oppose their introduction into the present Bill. Be also saw no reason why- the same process, by which chartered companies might be de prived of their charters in cases of abuse, should not be ex- , tended to Companies incorp ora ted by Parliament, and why they should not be made dissoluble like the former. Lord BEXLEY said, that as no amendment was now to be Proposed, he should only move that the Bine committed. Lord REDESDA LE thought that this would be the last time for removing the additional clauses. The LORD CHANCELLOR repeated that he did not think it fair to move them at present, .as the individuals inte. rested in the Bill woul d be taken by surprise ; whereas th ey n ow would have time to consider and to weigh the propositions which it was his intention to make on Monday. Th e Bill then went through a Committee, was reported, anti; or d ere d to be read a third time on Monday: ,Mr. WALtER , from the Office of Woods and Fo rests, pre sen the the first Roads Report fro o in f thteoCondomnmtiossllioonieyrbsefaodr_ Laid on the the table.—Adjourned. improve mentted of HOUSE OF COMMONS. RECORDS OF IRELAND. Dfr. DAWSON presented a petition respectably signed from the Merchants of Dublin, praying that the Records of Ireland might be placed in a state of greater security than they were in at present.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. CHOKER presented certain Papers from the Admiralty by m or r de H r uof3tihEe presented House.- a Or p d e e t r i e t d ion to f b ro e m h pr t int e ed ß . ev. Tnylor, of Dublin, complaining that he had been punished by certain Ecclesiastical censures, which affected his worldly interest as ap