The Sun. — London, England, 1842-04-22 00:00:00

41 .!c •-"--r s - s --.-: etse env Honourable Member of corruption. He was IHe had never heard • more shabby - arguments, than those ad- R on. iSe coed net do so upon Gentlemen opposite ; but those Yenced in support of that principle. This Lord Mayor of ac e h entletrien must allow that many persons, who supported Dublin said he was in favour of triennial Parliaments, on ac ; e ielorrn Billnlid not consider that they cure supporting count. of the particular transaction which gave rise to the Sep• t i, e9 - °chine' of fi na lity. The situation which he nad the tennial Bill. This would argue an abstract preference for the 1 , 11 T a r of filling at the time of the Reform Bill, prevented origin of the present system, which was the Revolution, than w . rem having much to do with the discussion upon it, hut for the existence of a triennial system. The Honourable ietas free to confess that he never thought that measure was a ' Member for Bolton, more properly, used astronomical I, t measure. How was it possible that in a country, like Great . arguments in favour of annual Parliaments. He said ii ii iho, the law couhl always remain in the same state? He the earth makes a revolution round the sun once a year, s t - r that the constituencies had never wallowed in so , the pisnetaey system went through its orbit- once a-year around s e : Political mire and degrading dirt as they had done since ' that great luminary ; and he added with some pathos that trier ePe%ing of that Bill.-(Cheers.) When the balance of I chants se ttle their accounts once aeyear.—(Laughter.) There s s. ; as so small, great temptation was held out j fore, on the Copernican and the mercantile se sterns, the Hon. l et reons to resort to means unworthy of • any party. ! Gentleman concluded that we should have Annual Parliaments. le e . , lie . must say that he crd not think I He, therefore feared that if the Leatned Doctor 4 „OPle of the country were alive to their situation. He I set up. an agitation against Triennial Parliaments his setthink that generally they were aware of the import- 1 astronomical arguments would shake the new eystem. t!f . their political rights. He was afraid that education ! Next, the proposition for payment of Members, would be as 101,l.spread sufficiently amongst the people. With respect 1 surediy scouted on the other side. The Gallant Commodore 4 trliOtiOii of the Hon. Member for Rochdale, he was not said that if the inhabitants of elarylehone would find him a t !!lltliold his support from this motion because he (Mr. furnished house and two clerks, be would thankfully accept e a l) could not go the length 4 the Charter. He was not I them, but he would not impose them on his constituents. erared to assent to the principle of annual Parliaments. He ; Another point further to show the incoherent system advo ; het prepared to give the franchise to all adult males in the ; sated by some cf the Gentlemen opposite. 'I he . poor ~1 P ".re, but he was not prepared to say that the present I man would . say, I don't want to be repre;euted, e',..,n 1 of representation was a good one, or that it was a ; but I want to sit in , this House to represent filler, r o ad o f legislation than which nothing could be ! ray fellow-workmen while nou - represent the rich, and I want i Th e Ri g ht Hon. Baronet had talked of en extension I you to enable my fellow-workmee to elect me. But I cannot ~,h u e suffrage e n dangering the monarchy, but the Eight I do this ill must be at the expense Of going to London, and give ' l. '', retie Gentleman must I emember that there was 'up the shuttle or the spade; therefore, all I ask is thaCthe affluent V e tocracy in St. Giles's as well as in St. James's. in circumstances should pay to enable me to sit in, the House in r e legh he should support the Hon Member far Rochdale, behalf of my fellow-workmen. But several of the lion. Gentle " did not go for the Charter. But they could - not shut men opposite would not allow this ;;f the plan now proposed tr y ekt eyes to the scenes which occurred at elections, and the was adopt ed in a modified shape it would be apeesled against, t un was, How were these things to be avoided ? He was as well on account of a perfect representation as as on ac- Prepared to support an evil because it had existed for count of defective franchise—in short, the defectiveness of the IYears; and although the Reform Bill had been passed, he principle of most of the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, as com e -11Oreason why they should not go a step further. The pared to the desires for whom they avowei to speak, showed r I Ron. Gentleman said that they were not to decide the that if he ( Sir 11. Peel) should be in the House ten years i e Sentation numerically, but by property. Although he hence he would have to defend thislaw a g ainst themselves as he e t r e. Bernal) was not prepared to controvert this position, now had todefend the R efo rm Bill. On their own p rinci p les of g , did not see why the two should be blended. The nume- of reason and nature they must disappoint the majority of the 1 0 4 0 wer must force itself on the attention of Parliament. working cl a sses, an d there would be as loud a cr y as ever of a tr e e" would ask, whether it was not better to grant what master-class and a slave-class in the country. Again, the aSked, th an to have it forced from them? In Hon. Member for Rochdale proposed that Engla n d , Ireland, t hi en e '"...g on this motion, he wished to guard himself and Scotland be divided into electoral districts, each to return 7 ' misrepresentation. He was neither a leve ller, nor he a Memher to Parliament. The result would be that , t` an inconsiderate Reformer. He had considered the that earls district would become a manufacturing ~elect seriously, and although he could not whelly agree with borough in a short time. Corruption would prevail as much , e 'llotion of the Hon. Member for Rochdale , ye t he thou g ht as it did before the Reform Bill, and the influence of landed pebetter to remain in his place in the House , and state his p ro p ert y would p redominate. The next p ro p osition was that S.treent s.--(Cheers. ) Members of Parliament should have no qualification. But he i ne lr efOllN EASTHOPE, who was for a considerable time need not recapitulate them. The disunion of the opposite e• "" b iole owing to the low tone of voice in which he add' essed party upon these alleged great principles was confessed by '. 4 i.lheute, then said he was anxious to say a few words on the Hon. Member for Coventry, when he said they agreed it, 'Llabject. He did not agree with the principles of the the principles, but differed as to the means, and he (Sir 11. i ' T e ti', as it was called—he was quite prepared to agree Peel) :agreed with the Honourable Member for Leicester, elh' principle of no either qualification being requisite than it would be futile to go into a debate upon such premises, ;effected by the constituent body. He supported universal and, however armed he might be at the alleged bribery eL a ge . , but with respect to paying Members, he thought it and corruption, srd bribery of election and franchise, he must V, be a long time before they saw that.—(Laughter.) oppose the motion; if he was asked what would best satisfy s'! .respect to a division of electoral bodies into districts, the people of the country, his answer would be, that the Idolise i,, should vote for a Committee of Inquiry. He ought to manifest that desire to ameliorate the condition of the e t ne; oppose the motion in the terms in which it was people by passing his Income-tax.—( Great laughter and cheers. ) se et'lat torvvard. He had not the slightest notion of conform- This would show that they wished to throw the burdens of the CAP all the propositions that the motion contained. To State on the wealthy classes. Let them, then, pass his Tariff, 1 7 of them he assented, and when they were brought forward and they would . prove the desire to promote the comforts of the qractical manner, as they would be in the motion that mass of the peopk. Having done this substantial and intelligi ' so on be made by his Hon. Friend the Member for Shel. ble service for them, they would dispense with the necessity of 'ld, h e would give them his support. - disturbing the Constitution by notions like the present, and of is C. NAPIER would not vote for complete suff ra g e or alterin g the re p resentative s y stem by a step which would dis • itinual Parliaments, though some of his constituents had appoint none more than those who, in carrying the ' es ended . him to do so—( Hear) yet he would vote measure, would gratify their present w ishes. —( Cheere. ) ?goin g into ComMittee on the motion. But he would vote He would advise those who complained of the absence of the . ' we 'e no property qualification. As for paying Members of Noble Lo r d , a nd who believed his financial p ro p ositions to be erent, if his constituents would give him a house in wise , to sta y awa y — ( Lau g hter and cheers)—that was if, u p on ; 't an and a couple of clerks to take care of his the whole, they belieiied with the Hon. and Learned Member t -re, he should have the utmost pleasure in aces pting these for Northampton , that his meas u r e s w e r e likely Sc benefit the I)l°T. l l , r se--( Laughter.) But he did not see why the community country. He asked them to retaliate upon the Noble Lord by Oehould be called on to do for a Member that which his . staying away, and not lend themselves to any party combi j would not do, and, therefore, he would oppose nation. —( Loud and long continued cheering. ) tie' a general proposition. The recent cases that ha d been Mr. UNTZ said that he hoped the Right Hon. Baronet 1 al sefore the House proved the, necessity of some reform in did not include him amongst those who ought to stay away. '4 uencles. He earnestly hoped that the recommendation —(Laughter.) As he had been one of those who took an er disfranchisement of the borough of Sudbury w ould be a c tive p art in endeavourin g to obtain a reform of Parliament, Eeinto practice, and by way of making the example more he could not think that the Ri g ht Hon. Baronet ou g ht now ' esive, he hoped that those who gave bribes would be pu- to complain if he asked for the Bill, the whole Bill, and nothing k as well as those who took them..—( Hear.) but the Bill? t i Zty VILLIERS supported the motion for inquiry. There Sir R. PEEL—You asked for it then. kfkothing that was pointed to as a reason for the Reform Mr. 'MINTZ (in continuation)—lie did net ask for it ;,.. 41 . 1 t his Hon. Friend could not now point to as a reason for then , b ut he would ask the H onourable Baronet the Member t4t-forin a the franchise, and he hoped, therefore, themotion for Dorchester, whether they had the Lill , the whole B ill, and e l 't he agreed. to. They had ten years' experience of the nothing but the Bill ?—( Hear, hear.) He asked him whether corking of the Reform Bide Every instance of bribery, they were to have a 101. franchise, or whether they were to tePtion, and intimidation proved this. His Hon. Friend have it with many drawbacks?—(Hear, hear.) He asked Oat a s k for annual Parliaments, or for complete suffrage ; whether they were to have a 50/. leasehold teuancy-at-will et! asked for was inquiry, and no one could vote against it franchise ?-4 Hear, hear.) He, therefore, contended that they 4 -s 's he was determine.l not to extend power to hail not the Bill, the whole Bill, and nothing but the Bill. If teoeople. He could not at all agree with the they had the entire Bill, the state of the country would not be 44 1, of his Honourable Friend the Member f or what it was. — ( Hear.) The Right Fiore Gentleman may have 1 110ter for opposing the motion ; and he thought that the great sympathy with the wants of the people, but the great /teL s!fember fur Rochdale had made out a strong case for the cause of complaint was, that the distress of the country was ~,,tZetion he had addressed to 'them ; therefore he (Mr. N T .) owing to not having a proper reform of Parliament. He had iNs;',l vote for the motion, - and he hoped it would meet with now mentioned the reason why he for one would support the te t - eIl suppert, as in agreeing to it no Hon. Member would motion of the Hon. Member. He entirely approved of the vote C e t himself to any of the principles it advocated. — ( Hear. ) by ballot , end• he had no obje c t ion to the p a y ment of Mem. ;lighi. 4 . PEEL said the Hon. Gentleman, the leader of the her s, became! he believed they would the better attend to the hree'oOd stated, and no'doubt truly, that petitions from a very interests of their constituents. He did not think that annual it.' .and important body ,of the community, couched Parliaments would do any good, and he considered that trien he°derate and respectful language, on the subject now nial Parliaments would be sufficient for every good purpose. V! them, had been presented to the House ; and he'(Sir R. Ile was not prepared to go the whole length with reward to the keVe should be most unwilling. however he differed suffrage. He thought it was a subject for serious reward to . prayer, to . say h anything, h in t l l:s k e e ei? j urse Lion, but hw was of opinion that a very great_ extensio l nof iki tailes s s h o o r ul i d oi t ff k e e r t e h o a o t e n t i o g t t i , le t ir at fe c e o i ti i d gs a . ppir iairear, hear.)dere - tfohre the ff b r e a n g e e frt w o a; s i e e ce p s e s o ax, a t and ar g tl e m t butrt w t. , o o l u 1 1 nut :he intereston'Y be INeel° must say that, having watched the political conduct the arisiocrae.y themselve3.—(Hear, hear.) It was his ter Hon. Gentleman himself, he had always given hiM .opinion " that coming events cast their shadows before," and i o ;^, t for integrity and purity of motives. He (Sir R. Peel) no person ought to be more interest e d in lookin g to those Id for th a t reas on, and also because the Hon. Gentleman shadows than those who had the conducting of the Govern ',that night addressed the House in moderate and ment; and the debate of the night was one of these shadows.— Perate language, be sorry to treat with disrespect ( Hear, hear.) fie hoped the Right Hon. Baronet. would motion made individually by him, and therefore seriously consider , how far it may be within his power to (Sir , R o b ert ' P ee l) s h ou ld proceed, rather than comply s.ith the demands of the people. He should, for ',;lent himself with a silent vote, to state very shortly the reason he gave, vote for the motion of the Hon. Member. , i pounds on which he would give his most decided opposition elm E. TURNER (who spoke amidst cries of " Oh, oh," ' 4 " Hon. Member's views; and el if he avoided stating his and " Dive, divide") was understood, to say that he would e Mks at length. it was because he bore in mind the warning vote for' the motion of the Hon. Member for Rochdale, qv lion. Member for Finsbury, that tile House would have though he would not, after what lie bet seen take place at e, 3 euss this subject once a month for several years to come. the annual munic i p al elections, vote fix the s y stem of annual lieers and laughter.) The motion was a peculiar one. • Parliaments. to 'traced several propositions, and then invited the House Capt. PLUMRIDGE said that he would cordially support o It k Int o a Co m mittee to consider them. The Hon Gentle- the motion of the Hon. Member except the last seven lines. V " ho spoke last was very anxious that whatever they might Mr. COBDEN said that the Right Hon. Gentleman had ~e 5 3, should at all events consider all the points of the mu- very ingeniously managed to mystify the very simple question 145;., but he (Sir R. Peel) apprehended that what the Hon. before the House.—(Oh, oh.) The question before the House 4 er for ilovhdale wished was, a Committee to consider was, whetlier after the people of the country—he spoke of the 's ? :: questions for the purpose of bringing in a Bill with re- unrepresented portion—ha t petitioned the House for the Char c.e to them, and not a Committ ee for takin g evidence, and ter, they would g o into a Committee without at the same time P' considering those matters. If that were the object pledging themselves to anything?—(Hear.) The difference e Honourable Member for Rochdale, he (Sir R. Peel), between the Right Hon. Baronet and many Gentlemen on his .Zhleri ng th a t th e House had already on their hands the (Mr. Cobden's) sid e of the House who differed from the people VOicetax and the tariff, must regard this additional pro s p ect outsid e was, that notwithstandin g that difference of opinion I ttther Committee of the whole House, to take evid e nc e at they w ere read y to consider the claims of the people, l l e i tr, as another most cogent reason for giving his most de- while the Right Hon. Baronet and his supporters w' mild shut i 4 °Pposition to the motion.—(Hear and laughter.) He the door upon them, and would not condescend t o g ive them iiiikts ei ,00t, of course, account for the absence of the Noble any consideration. — ( Hea r, hear.) That was fairl y the state th i k hussell)—(Laughter)—but he (Sir R. Peel) recollected of the case—that was the pla in statement of it—but the Ri g ht lit•• a peculiar moment a prophecy he made some ten years I Ron. Baronet mystified it and then slammed the doors of the 4re' that he arehended the day would arrive when the most ' House upon the people.—( Hear, hear.) The fl i ght lion. eteed enemiesp be of the Reform Bill would found amongst Baronet predicted that if the object of the motion were carried le Iladicals who then supported it, and that his vote would, ' out it would give increase to the power of the landlords, but the 'tlr o - distant day, be required todefend the Reform Bill against Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Dorchester said that I le et l lter supporters.--(Cheers and laughter.) And with re - it would disturb the monarchy . 'Were the y to be treated i t j a 0 the Reform Bill, he would here quote and defend one , in that way with opinions as wide as the poles asunder?— se: wisest observations of the Noble Lord, that this country (Hear, hear.) Were the people in those circumstances to be Sj not afford to have a revolution once a ye ar, to , satisfied with the speculatidns of the Right Hon. Baronet ? ht , ' those enormous changes that were demanded in ' How dexterous and amusing soever he might be, that would le n repres en t a tive system, and that, therefore, he was ' not satisfy the people in their present state and temper. — ci - i nlined to resist these further efforts at Reform. (Cheers.) What was the condition of the people when they 'iFar, hear, and loud cheers.) The ground on w hich talked of the Reform Bill? Th ey kn ew it did not im p rove ; , loud R. Peel) now resisted the present motion was t he same ' their condition in any one fespect.—(Loud cheering fro m V, • on which he made his prophecy ten years ago , when h e the Ministerial benches.) H e found a sufficiently loud re : ) vy s ed to c om ply w ith the wishes of the people. When the sponse to that from the Hon. Gentlemen opposite. — ( Cheers. ) C 4 's in 1830, that the Reform Bill gave universal satisfac- i But were the people physically, or morally, or intellectually I le ko t ° the country—when it was demanded that the Bill better now than they weretenyears ago?—(Ministerial cheers.) 1,,," pass unaltered—that the p eo pl e m ust have the Bill, the . Were they not, in point of fact, a scandal to the whole of Eu iii ',.' Bill, and nothing but the Bill—( Laughter )—when it ; rope ?—(" Oh, oh.") Was there any national education at !i tt tkiasted of as the second great charter of the people, and as- , all ?—( Hear,. hear.) 'Were they not the only people in Europe 'h e w that from that time forth corruption would cease, that ' without a national education? Was there not more physical n v orki ng classes would be represented by Members who I suffering in this country than in all the rest of Europe ?- (" Oh , 'ill give them perfect satis!action„ and that they wo ul d ha v e I oh.") And were these distresses and evils to be rem edied b y the k ik ( lovernments, and consequently that they would have no j impoidtiou of an Income-tax on the industry of the trashing Ii ceee t o w i s h f o r further reforms—when all this was said , he 1 elassesof the country ?—( Hear.) Would the country be deluded 4 retl on . a prediction, and what the House had t hat night Iby such pretence3? The real question was, and they should 4 cieLeheVed howe'ver that the Reform Bill was not j ustl y ; gave evidence to show that his prophecy was ri g ht. , I not mystify what he said, was whether labour was to be re presented in that House r not. lie would vete for the mo , etehle with the grievous defects now c omplained of ; but 1 lion of . the Honourable Member for Rochdale, on the s i , 1 he was certain—and the fulfilment of one prophecy ' ground that the labour of the country ou g ht to h ave 'Ras him he thought in venturing upon a second — o f this a full, fair, and free representation, and not from N l ' certain, that if the majority of those who supported the , any abstract theory of giving the people other se l anes now proposed had their own will granted to them, that I rights, but because it would insure to them a better state of b'al'e hence they would find in them as many faults and I hiving, The very instincts of the people would give them better \4 l P o intinents as they now complained of in the Reform Bill. fiscal laws than they received from that !louse.—(Hear, hear. ) ll' i t k r ar, hear, and cheers.) Ire th oug ht i t qu i te c le a r that The misrepresented people were pining and starving, while ;1 4. 4 .10rity of those Hon. Members who would vote for the hundreds of thousands of quarters of corn were locked in their slyl Member. for Rochdale, were adverse to half of his pro- bonding warehouses. That would not be case if the people ,::'os.—(Laughter and cheers.) It was clear that if the were fairly represented.—( Hear, hear.) lie believed the ~, , ,,,,ty opposite could prevail, we should . have this result— middle classes would now have as much interest in giving !e l tl ' e oesion of the suffrage and triennial Parliaments, a rejec- the franchise to the working classes as the working N l ,' the proposal to pay the representatives of the people, classes themselves. The middle classes found they could „ °t e by ballot.—(Hear, hear ) Now first, as to the ex- not fight you. They tried you on thg question of free trade. Ik'etiti of the suffrage, observe the great ' limitations several of And what was the conduct of the pally opposite? 'they had I r. Gentlemen opposite would place on the principle. succee d e d b y pl a yi n g o ff one . class against the other.—( Hear.) I, i l , (41 . Member for Sheffield declared himself an advocate That was the policy that was too apparent to be misunder 'itl, extension of the suffrage, but then he would connect it stood by any one who had a seat. in that House. Something ,t li Property. Why, then he would maintain what he so had been said about danger to the aristocracy and the mo- Let 'eunplained of in this country—a master - c lass and a f amily. The monarchy had been brought forward rather e lt e ; e 'ass ; the latter consisting of those who w ere taxed ; but os tentatiousl y u p on that occasion. Now he denied that there 'S s 'Presented. The Hen. Gentleman said. that every man was any anti-monarchial feeling among the people of this 1. 1 / 4 e ‘:i . as . eubject to direct or indirect taxation, and who had country ; but he said that towards the aristocracy, and towards S i t right to vote for the election of :Members of that House, there prevailed a most intense feeling of hatred.— l i ti t, k4 oent, was in the condition of a slave ; and Co Oh," oh," from the Ministerial benches.) W, In if there $ if you attempted to take his property without were not such a feeling, where was the danger of giving the ;it s r t oesent, was guilty of spoliation and robbery.— people the franchise? He spoke after a pretty extensive ac cts,,,.. "et limitation he proposed to the franchise was directly at quaintance with the working classes ; and he did say, that in ,"C,',s'e with this great principle. But this only proved that i the borough of Stockport, which he had the honour to re -6t s'r It. Peel) was right in his second prediction, that the I present, a - most intense hatred would be found to prevail ttis; s t 'PPosite would not, even if they had the power , make re - among the vast majority of the ad u lt p o p ulation a g ainst the legit i ,ciitetion co-equal with taxation. The only assertion he had lation of that House. They attributed their distress directly to the he i d,oring the night which seemed to have the guarantee of legislation of that liouse ; they saw in their clos e d manufaMories ,hi e iPle for its maintenance, was that representation ought the effects of that legislation, and he believed they were tier hit'o-egual with taxation, whether direct or indirect. But fectly right. But where was the danger to the monarchy? t,,,i ( i ' l vi'll principle would first of all operate against the fair It was too bad to bring forward on such a subject. as that the e lse, ,eY were to be excluded altogether from the franchise.— name of her Majesty, which was more popular than any Sove elttee,) This was the tirst.check to their great principle, that reign who ever preceded her on the throne ; it was most unfair re, 'fling to the law of Providence and the law of nature, no to bring forward her name, and to make the danger with k 3 4 1 1 11 Wil o was unrepresented ought to be taxed. — (Laughter which she was threatened a reason for denying justice to her i tis e ers.) Females were allowed to exercise the ri g ht of people. — (Cries of " Hear, hear," and " Oh, oh.") He begged 4 th R at the India House and other places, hut the principle to remind Hon. Gentlemen opposite that the movement for a N ' ! l ort. Gentlemen opposite would exclude them at once large extension of the franchise was not confined to men of i!he t he franchise. But, according to their principle, every desperate fortunes or of reprobate characters. He begged to 1 N ; (4 18 years of age, being then liable to serve in the remind them that there were men now at the head of that or 'llst'ai and to bear the burdens of the State, should, no matter ganisation who Were equal to any of the aristocracy in moral , th l Ci education, be entitled to vote at the election of power and moral worth. He begged to remind them that IN t e „ I. ' of Parliament. It must be so, if they argued accord- many of them were their equals in fortune. And where, he j'. tne law of nature an t the law of Providence.—(Laugh - would ask, was the danger to the monarchy from these men ?. gel lkti, cheers.) Therefore, every man of the age of eighteen, ____( Hear, hear.) There was one man in particular among 'tlte e . "` to taxation, direct or indirect, no matter what his edu- the advocacy of an extension of the franchise, who had achieved :14 , ,-;, Or whether he was a beggar or not.—(Laughter, cheers, I for himself great distinction in another field, and who had Ott 1 , t) ; do")—he begged pardon, bat he was right, for, was not ' surrounded his name with a halo of glory in another clime__ .ts, te er subject to indirect taxation ?,-( Cheers)—and, there- I one who had won for himself an honour which Hon. Gentlemen ' I N_ ecirding to the law of nature and the law of' Providence,. opposite were now attempting to filch from him for their own ,es t e entitled to vote, and, according to Lord Camden, it was . purposes.—(Cries of " Name," f r om the Ministerial benches.). Ile e la tion and a robbery to take a man's property without his He could- have no hesitation in naming him—he meant Mr. N t e j: t •,—(Laughter and cheers.) But then, if this, the bin- ~ J osep h Sturge. ( Laughter, and derisive cheers fi om the NJ inis t!'l s ifllPrinciple of the Hon Gentlemen cpuosite were true, ! tt•rial benches.) Yea; and those who worked with him in vve ( 1 44 , 4 4 ...ye have representatives at all?—why should we ; the cause of the Africans, were joining with him now in work % peeates at all ?—why should you take money from amen I ing out the emancipation of teeir poor fellow-countrymen, i sip . as in a minority ?—(Laughter.) NI; hat was this, but who were suffering, he believed, as much of privation and of t tn':opractiee, I disregard your opinions, but I give you re- i misery at the hands of an aristocracy, as ever the negroes did k la Z'qtVeS ? and though a man was represented, you would I at the hands of their owners in the West Indies. V , • tiff,, tesesee to siay—l protest against this, yet, in spite of I Mr. JOHN ARTHUR ROEBUCK said, that he would O tt ~ ,4 trut h, an d il l spite of the law Of Providence and ;only „pey I le rtee e the attention of the Heine for a very few V law .. onn make me pay.— (Laughter and cheers.) i moments. He should no£ like to allow the motion to go --noosed law, there would be to a division without expressing, in a very few sentences, k bes, or nature, s ''"ne what hope had the mode in which he considered he was bound to act upon 1 1 / 4 : 1 4 ~.s t ill under the p. - .i two or 1 . e , tt,,,i gi c lass. What confidence 1.--, that occasion. When he looked to the institutions of this I e y It their new law would . last longer t,,,,...'ev. he saw certain rough me thods int roduced of attaining 4t ~ar's? Were they not reducing to slavery, according to 50u1,,,, , '' '•-• • the object sought to be attained being that ragater, . ' Hear hear.) , - • ..ilieenec in the governing body principle. all whom they excluded? ( - ' ' , a particular obis,. , " glad to see that he was convinc ng Hon. Gentlemen j of ge ttins, that degree of in.... e -"iris in the manner te ' is to govern the cm... hithert which might enable them (t e ltieen(Laughter and cheers.) The Hon. Member for • Nee' was already clearly ashamed of his own Bill.— W3, by Cr. ) eeldopted, as he had already, said a attaining that end, . ) Now, take the question of triennial Parliaments. most conducive to the general welfare. The mode ~ -.P had th e .vita".• - 110 . is 1113 t nosr red th e e 5 2191 How rust of THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY MORNINGPRIL 22, 1842. determining roughly the claims of individuals by the amount of money which they might chance to possess, expressed as that amount might be in many particular ways. If a man were possessed of a 40s. freehcld, if he had a 101. house, then he could be deemed by the Constitution of his country sufficiently intelligent and virtuous to have a voice in the re presentation of his country. That was the rough method by which thee sought to attain the end they had in view. Now lie was not about to find feult with anybbody ; but he would addre s himself to the candour of Hon. Gentlemen opposit e—to their knowledge of life, to the experience of their fellow men; and he would ask them if, in the common and ordinary bush. ness of life, that was the best mode of ascertaining the merits of any individuals. Were Honourable Gentlemen opposite prepared to say that in the ordinary private transactions of life they would ask if a man had a 10/. household franchise before they would trust him in any one important business of life? Did they ask if he had a freehold inheritance ? Did they ask if he had a 501. lease of his landlord? No, they did no such thing. They judged by ether means ; and I.e would ask of them this one question—it was a question which any man who had ever considered the interests of humanity, as connected with the views of Cioveenrnent must have asked himself—he would ask whether there were not other means by whirls they coedit learn—by which they could ascertain that degree of intelligence and of probity which was requisite for a participation in the business of Government? That House had confer red the business of legislation upon cer tain classes in the country. They had excluded the labouring classes almost to a man, from the franchise. He did t,ot say they had excluded them altogether, for he hated exaggeration ; and he found it practised too much on Loth sides of the House. —(Hear, hear.) ' lie did not say the whole, but he said that they had excluded a large port ion of the labouring classes from share of political power. Now he would ask the Right Hots. Baronet, who had a large experience of men—lie would ask him if he had not met as candid, as far-seeing, as wise, as honest, as perspicueus minds among the labouring population if this country, as among its wealthier classes ? He perceived that the Right Hon. Baronet nodded his assent. But the Constitution excluded these men from the franchise. Now he asked the Right Hon. Baronet if it were not a subject for inquiry to endeavour to ascertain whether these might not be admitted to the rights of the Con stitution?—(Hear, hear.) What was the distinction between the course pursued by the Right Hon. Baronet on that occasion, and that pursued by his Hen. Friend the Member for Roch dale? He was sure that his Hon. Friend did riot assume to himself any exclusive power " of judging of mankind, and determining what ought to be, or what ought not to be ; but the only asked of that House, on that occasion to inquire if there were not means of admitting those most deserving and industrious men within the pale of the Constitution? How had his Hon. Friend been met by the Right Hon. Baronet? He was sorry to say he had not heard the whole of the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet, but he should say that in the portion which, he had heard he did not see much to admire, either as regarded the spirit, or the tone, or the manner in which he spoke upon the great ques tion. Now, when he said that great question, let him not be misunderstood—he did not mean to say that great party ques tion—there was to be no vote that evening that could shake the Tory power ; but there was to be a vote that would go to the heart of the labouring po• idation, and when they came to discuss that vote, when they came to ask of the Right Hon. Baronet and of the Government merely to inquire into the political condition of the people of this country—for he did not wish to allude to the political state of the question—when they asked the Right Hon. Baronet to consider the political condition of the people, be would pat it to that side of the House and the other--he would ask of the country, what they thought of the light tone of ridi cule, of that spirit of mockery, of that taunting disposition which had been manifested by the Right Hon. Baronet that evening? It was not a question, as he had already said, in which the power of the Right. Hon. Baronet was at stake ; but there was a trial going on of his spirit, and his character, and his feelings as a leader among his fellow-men. and if he had not a sympathy with his fellow men; if he were bound to the chariot wheels of his party, if he were chained to them, then he was nut the man for whom he (Mr. R.) took him. He believed there was in the mind of the Right Hon. Baronet a secret feeling of contrition for the course he was pursuing—that he was ashamed of the course his party was taking, and that he would willingly, if Hon. Gentlemen would only permit him, go into that inquiry in the liberal and candid spirit which the inquiry demanded. And who was there that would not say that that subject required a liberal and candid inquiry ? Who was it would say that our Constitution had fixed upon the best mode of taking the sense of the intelligence and the virtue of the community ? They themselves acknowe lodged how imperfect were the means they had taken, when they excluded ore large class which contained some of the most virtuous members of she State. The Right lion. Baronet ad mitted that a large portion of the labouring classes were ex cluded from political power. and all that he (Mr. R.) and his Hon. Friend aseed was, that going upon no political theory, the House should inquire whether thre were not sonic means of admitting the working classes within the political pale without exposing to any risk any one of the great interests. As far as he could see the only interest that was endangered was the mono p ay of political power possessed by the landed aristocracy. Read mit ted that an extension of the franchise would destroy the mono poly, bid it would not destroy the Constitution. He would ask the House if there was any danger to be apprehended to property by admitting within the pale of the Constitution the great bedy of the labouring classes? That was the question to be discussed ; that was the question at issue ; that was the ques tion which his Hon. Friend the Member for Rochdale asked of the House to consider in Committee. His Hon. Friend put forward no proposal, but he asked of the House to inquire— admitting as he' did those people to be virtuous and en lightened—lie asked of them to inquire if there were no means of admitting them to a share of political power with safety to the community? And whet was the answer of the Right lion. Baronet? He had heard a large portion of the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet, and what does the speech touch upon ? A dexterous debater. the Right Honourable Ba ronet had no doubt proved himself to be ; the Right Honourable Baronet hail turned the battery of the Hon. Member for Finsbury against the Hon. Member for Rochdale:, he talked of triennial Parliaments, and comparing them with annual Parliaments, he enlarged on the benefits of the payment of Members. But they were not to be thus de luded from the point at issue. The point at issue was, whe ther the labouring classes might not be admitted to a participa tion in political power. The answer was " No," from the Ministerial benches opposite. And why ? Because of the al. leged danger to property. But no extension of the franchise could so certainly endanger the security of property as that the Legislature should use its power for the berefit of a particular I class, namely, the landed aristocracy. They talked to him of the mischief of a minimum of wages, and he put in opposition to that their Corn. laws. The party opposite had power—the people had none. The party opposite talked of the danger to property; and the people who suffered and pined under their to es.ent state, entreated, prayed, mit d, demanded of that House simply to inquire into their political condition. The Right Hon. Baronet, however, cut jekes at their exrense.—( Hear.) He told them of the revolutions of the planets with great sar casm and much point, no doubt ; but he (Mr. Roebuck) did not think these allusions were relevant to the subject. He asked of them if that were the right way, when the people demanded of them a participation in that political power which they in that House were every hour using for their own benefit. He asked of them, whe ther that was the right way to meet the popular demand, when expressed in the calm language of his Hon. Friend? Was that the manner in which they treated the claims of a people, who, in the midst of their privations, had exhibited a heroism, of which the class to which Honourable Gentle men in that House belonged, knew nothing ?—(Hear. ) He asked if this was the manner in which it was proper to meet the demands, the prayers, of the great body of the labour ing populations of this country ? He must say that the labour ing population deserved the greatest, the kindest, the most intense consideration : it was their hands that had built up the mighty power of this country ; by their virtue it was supported by their patience and fortitude it was maintained; they were their breilieren in spirit and in feeling; they felt within them selves a power equal to their own. They say they are our equals in virtue and intelligence, and when they ask for power at the hands of this House, they are met by a cold taunt from the Right Hon. Gentleman. He again asked was this decent, was this proper, was this worthy of a great statesman?—( Cries of " Oh, oh.") lie wished to concentrate his responsibility.—(" Oh, oh !") They might cry " Oh !" he wished they would s e iteli it an octave higher—it would have just the same effect. He repeated that the Right Hon. Gentle man was the Minister, ar.d on him rested the responsibility; on his head, at the present moment, rested the great responsibility of the Government of tngland. Ile would go forth to-morrow with that responsibility upon him, and when the people came to consider in what way their demands have been treated, they would single forth the speech of that Right Hon. Gentleman, and if they felt any power within them, they would ask if it was not heartless, contemptuous, and disregardlul of all the feelings of the people? If such should be their inquiry, what must be the answer, but that the Right Hon. Gentleman had thus treated the sober, calm, prudent, and fair demands of the great body of the labouring population of this country.—(" Oh, oh !") He could not have a nobler ancestry, anal he, like the Right Hen. Baronet, should glory in it ; but he hoped there would also be in his heart so much sympathy with that class, that he should not have turned round on the great body of his country men, and deny them a fair share in the representation of this country. Why did they ask it? It had been said because of the misery existing among them ; he believed that some of the causes of that misery, laid much deeper than their not being epreseiated in that House ; but they would never be able to read the people teat lesson till they were actually admitted to the Legislature. They would then see how much of that misery it was impossible to reach by legislation. They had been told that it the people were admitted to power they . would destroy all that was good and benefi ial in the Consitution. He repeated it was presumptuous arrogance in them to pretend to such superiority over the work ing classes, when it existed not either in virtue, intellgence, or any quality which a human being ought to posseses.—(" Oh, oh !" ) By that cry they were signing their own condemnation, though they might imagine it an eulogium on their own virtue. Did they think it right, under such circumstances, to shut out inquiry e If they did they would shut the doors of that House in the face of the labouring population of the country. Did they do it on the plea of possessing more virtue, or more intelligence than they ?—(" No, no.) No ! then why did they do it? Their only answer was that they did not like to infringe on the peculiar monopoly which the agricultural community of this country enjoyed ; and they asserted that they who now held the reins of power ought to do the • bidding of the agricultural despots of this kingdom.—(Hear, hear, and laugh ter.) '1 hey might answer him by their cheers ; but when the people came to know how this question had been treated, they would come to the conclusion that this House did not possess all the virtue, or all the intelligence of the community. LORD STANLEY said, though he believed that the vio lenee of the Hon. and Learned Member, who hail just sat ( 1 0%S Il i was of itself almost sufficient to justify the House in the sight of the country, and a sufficient answer to a speech which contained HO peat number of arguments, but princi pally consisted of one, repeated in various forms, and a great number of times ; and though he doubted not that his Right Hon. Friend was quite prepared to take the responsibility as well as the undivided credit of that eloquent, able, and convincing speech—( Hear, hear)—yet as stand ing in a somewhat different position, he (Lord S.) having been one of those who were parties to the introduction of the Reform Bill—littleas he thought of addressing the House that evening, yet he could not avoid taking a portion of the responsibility of its views, nor reconcile himself to giving a silent vote in support of it. They were told that by the vote to which they were about to come, they should declare that all the virtue, all the intelligence, and all the public feeling of this country were centred in the middle and higher classes of the empire.—( Hear, hear.) They asse.ted no such thing. They denied not the humblest person the attribute of every virtue, and all the intelligence to which they might lay claim. The Hon. Gentleman said that those who supported the Reform Bill, laid it down that every person con. tributing directly or indirectly to the taxation of the empire had an inherent right to enjoy, not the privileges of citizens, not the protection of the laws, but th e exercise of the privilege of returning Members to the Legisture. He only wished he could appeal to any of those who at that period acted with him.—( Loud cheers from the Ministerial benches.) He . only wished he could see one of that Cabinet of Earl Grey who brought forward the Reform Bill, and that he could appeal to them whether any such doctrine was broached by any of those who advocated that measure.—(Caeers.) What they had said was that the right of voting for Members of the Legislature was not an inherent right, but a privilege to be granted to such classes of the community as from their intelligence, sta tion, and education, were capable of exercising that privi lege wisely and safely. The question they advocated was. that the • time at which the Reform Bill *ily agitated %is that time at which it was safe to break down the.existing nstitutions of the country for the impose of eXteading, the sphrre, and enlarging the limits within which that privilege had not hitherto been enjoyed. But at no time was it argued that it was an inherent right. That change had given a natollt greater influence to the Commons of England, for it was thow2ht at the time that the measure was almost revolutionary. It gave representatives to Lirmittgbarn, Leeds, Manchtete..r,' Sheffield, and Bath.—("No," from Mr....Ritebuck). if it did not give representatives to Bath, it took the nomination from ten or twelve self-elected..individuals. L-( h.eers. ) Manches ter, Leeds, Birmingham, Sheffiejd and . Bath—(Hear, bear)— the great towns of the empire admitted to a large par tiipation in the legislative power of the country; the small and corrupt boroughs, those which were noto riously in the hands of individuals, and could be made a matter of barter and sale, excluded frinn the represen tation. Tell him that the Reforin Bill exercised no influence Over the legislature of this coerttey. Tell him that it did not enlarge the influence of the Commons of this country. Tell him that it did not make a large and extensive alteration in the constitution of the countrs. Aye, it was called a revolu tion in the political history of this country. He had joined with Lord J. Ens ell and Earl Grey ; he joined the Whigs of that day, those who were not thereon the present °erasion. lie joined with him in saying t hat it was not convenient to have a revolution once a year •in that Rouge. He joined with him in saying that it was expeciient introducing measures to make them large at once, to let them Le large and extensive; and when he was connected with the Government of Lord Grey they made their measures large end extensive, because they were determined that they should be measures by which they could stand, knowing that it they made only slight concessions demards would be made upon them to which they could not accede. There were in that Honse fourteen gentlemen who were bound to adhere to the Reform Bill as a large concession. Those Gentlemen admitted that as much of the democratic principle as was consistent with the safety of the country was introduced into that Bill. Those Gentlemen formed part of the Cabinet of Earl Grey, and as one of those Gentlemen, he would oppose the introduction of measures so rude and ill concerted as that before the House —a measure, he would venture to say. not for the p urpose o f se ttli ng the country, but for the purpose or unsettling men's minds,people out of doors that nothing was fixed,o anti coild te c i o li n c t g inl t t h e e . re Hon. and Learned Gentle man had told them that the present was a motion for nothing but inquiry—that was a most convenient doctrine for those Gentlemen who, agreeing in almost nothing, had agreed only in unsettling things as they were. The Hon. Member for Falmouth had said that he consented to the present motion. Why did he do so? Why, he had told them for the sake of the last seven lines only. The complaint made now was, that there was not a fair representation of Lie people, and therefore that it was the duty of the House to take the subject into its consideration, but the seven lines clung to by the Hon. Mem ber for Fahnouth would exclude all the substance of the Hon. Member fur Rochdale's motion. The question of extending the right of voting to the adult popula tion, subject to no limitation.—( Hear.) The vote by ballot. The no-qualification of Members, annual Parlia ments, and all these things the Hon. Member for Falmouth would exclude, but he said vote for the inquiry, for the sake of the last seven lines. They talked of voting for inquiry. What inquiry he would ask was meant? Was it at the bar of the House? Was it meant to bring forward any new evidence —any new facts, or did it mean an inquiry before a Committee of the whole House ? The truth was, the Hon. Gentleman wanted no inquiry—all he wanted was th e affirmation of a principle, he knowing perfectly well that lie would not be enabled to find a sufficient number of Members to vote with him, in order to enable him to carry it. Why, he would ask did not all these Honourable Gentlemen move for leave to bring in Bills.; let them embody in Bills the sepa rate views they entertain for the reformation of the representa tion of the people. If they did so what an anomaly of Bills there would be.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) He believed that there would no one be found who would agree to their terms. Then it was asked, whether it was the intention on that side of the House to cast a slur on the working classes of th e country, to which he answered, Certainly net. Then it was said that all that was wanted was an inquiry as to whether cer tain parties were fit to pet form the patti,ular duties committed to them. Tell him (Lord S.) of bribery and corruption • tell him of the want of i n telligence; and then tell :him whether they were to inquire of every individual, if he was fit to perform the duties of legislation. They talked about the inquisitorial nature of the Income tax ; for his part, he thought nothing was more inquisitorial than the inquiry proposed, the amount of which was, whether a party had into lligenee enough to exercise the electoral franchise. He (Lord S.) (1.4 not know who the grand in quisitor might be ; but of this he was certain, that nothing was mere absurd. The Hon. Gentleman said they applied a rough justice. They certainly did so in one way, because they stated that the privilege of representation should he given to men of certain means and ' fixed state in tae country, as they were the more likely to have that edu ation and intelligence which fitted them for it. The higher and middle classes down to a certain point, be that. what it might, were more likely to be pos sessed from superior means and advantages given by their situation, of the necessary quality to fit them for represen tatives. He did not mean for a ; moment to say that they had more intelligence and virtue than the lower classes, but the eduatien they had received he thought would enable them to act with more advantage to the country ; but what did the lion. Member for Stockport say? , Why, he said he believed that the Legislature was the cause of I all the evils, that it was the cause of the want and distress that prevailed in the country. Mr. COBDEN—I did not say so. Lord STANLEY-1 am glad to hear the Hon. Member say that. Mr. COBDEN rose to explain amid loud cries of " Order, order," and " Spoke, spoke." Lord STANLEY—If the Hon. Gentleman disclaims the statement, I withdraw it.—(Laughter.) Mr. COBDEN—I will explain afterwards. Lord STANL EY—That's quite the Parliamentary course.— (Laughter and much cheering.) He (Lord Stanley) heard the Hon. Member for Stockport say that his constituents com plained hardly of the state of the representation ; that they did so from the state of poverty in which they were, and attributing it to the character of the Legislature. It was possible, there fore, antler such circumstances, that the Hon. Member's con stituents were not the most impartial judges in the distress under which they laboured. They might suppose that niea sures should be passed for their release, which measures, when they came to be looked into, might be. most unwise. lie would not enter further into a discussion of the various questions brought for ward by the Right Hon. Gentleman oppo site. This only he would say, that if they desired to amend the Reform Bill, let them come forward honestly and tell what their proposition was, and how they meant to bring it forward. They were acting under responsibility to large classes of the community, ani they ought to beware, when they at tempted to extend the suffrage, lest they would diminish the independence of their constituencies . Whatever their propo s,tions were, let them be brought forward distinctly. Let them enable the House at least to judge of them as a whole —as a measure ; but let them not continue to agitate the country by moving for a Committee to inquire into that which was at present settled. Let them not seek to unsettle men's minds with a vague notion fur an inquiry into the state of the representation, pa r ti cu l ar l y w hen they knew that they could effect no object but to introduce new elements of discord—new elements of instability and uncertainty into different portions of the Constitution, which should be fixed, certain, and secure. Captain PLUMRIDGE explained. He bad stated his in tention to support only the last seven lines of the motion, whereas he was supposed by the Noble Lord to go the whole length with the proposition before the House. Lord STANLEY had only attributed to the Hon. Member an intention of voting in favour of the last seven lints of the motion. Mr. COBDEN explained that what he said in reference to the people of Stockport was, that th ey attr ib ute d t h e i r suffer ings to the present constituted state of Parliament. Sir T. WILDE rose amidst loud cries of " Divide," " Order, order." He said he wished to explain the ground on which he would give his vote on the present question. He did not feel that he could support the present motion, as he did not think it likely to lead to any practical good. It wa4 un doubtedly a very popular course to apply to the House to enter into an inquiry ; but surely when the House resolved itself into Committee. it was not with a view generally of re ceiving evidence, and making a report to the public, it was to come to a resolution on a particular proposition. On such oc casions, the questions to be submitted to the Committee were generally pointed out. The present proposition had a preamble which distinctly pointed out the matters to be submitted to the Committee, but it would be an idle duty for the House to perform to go into Committee and bear speeches on a great variety of propositions. The object of this Committee was to take the opinion of the House on what was called the Charter. Oa that subject he had made up' his mind, and he did not think that any useful re ult would come of such an inquiry ' • and when such was the case, considering the present state of Par. liamentary business, and the great need there was of despatch ing it with as little delay as possible, he thought it very inex pedient to proceed with such an inquiry at the present time.—(Hear, hear.) With respect to what had fallen from the Right Hon. Baronet—w:hatever opinion he might have on the proposition before the House, there was nothing in his observations which could be construed into a slight upon the working classes. His Hon. and Learned Friend had made a mistake in attributing anything of the kind to the night Vlonouiable Baronet. With respect to the motion before the House he (Sir T. Wilde) thought it right to vote against it. Sir H. PEEL thanked the lion. and Learned Gentleman for the very just construction which he had put upon his speech. He had stated that be felt that as a great body of his fel!ow-subjects had stated their wishes with respect to re form in decorous and respectful language, he could not recon cile it to himself to give a silent vote; neither would his respect f wr the integrity and motives of the movers allow him to keep silenee.—( Hear, hear.) But he must say he thought it very hard if gentlemen would use abserd arguments, that he should not be at liberty to point out their absurdity without being liable to the imputation that he was showing disrespect, not to the arguments, but to the labouring classes..--( Hear.) Mr. WALLACE rose to order. (Cries of " Order, order.") He submitted that this was not explanation; he called upon the Chair to say whether it was so. He (Mr. Wallace) considered that it was a teoor d speech.---(Hear. ) The SPEAKER said the Right Hon. Baronet was perfectly in order.---( Hear. ) Sir R. PEEL said, surely if an Hon. and Learned Geo tleman referred to a speech i.t his , a part of w hi c h h e did no t hear, and put a construction upon it which was not just, he was perfectly in order in correcting that misconstruction ; and he was only going to add one single sentence, that he thought he showed more respect for the labouring classes, by, notwith standing his corrections, coming down there at five o'clock, and listening to every woid of the debate, than if he had come— Mr. ROEBUCK rose to order. This w as another speech— (Loud cries of "Hear, h e ar," amidst which Si r R o b ert P ee l sat down. ) "fair wo A rd ir s . 13 bu L tt s' e l r V Notwithstanding I n T o T p s a a r i , d n -- 4 !_is (L an aug ol h i te s r a . jiing, Sir, that what has been said by the Right Hon. Baronet opposite, and by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman below me, I agree in the statement of the Hon. Member fit Bath.—(Laughter from the Ministerial benches.) Ido say, again, th at I con ceive, in the statement of the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath, that the speech of the Right Hon. Baron t was derisive to the labouring classes, and that it was not a speech as the Right Honourable Baronet ought to have made. The Right Hon Baronet alluded to the earth and the sun. ( Great laughter.) 'I lie Right lion. Baronet--(Ceeers from the Ministerial benches) —the Right Hon. Baronet—(Re newed cheers )—the Right Hon. Baronet)—Cheers and great laughter, which rendered it impossible for the Hon. Gentle man to proceed.) I really do not know why I should not have a hearing.—(Hear, hear, from the Opposition benches.) I do not wish to take up much of the time of the House—l was merely going to make a few observations.—(Cries. of " Oh, oh.") 1 beg to state that I perhaps have as much right to speak on this subject as almost any Member of this House. This question is said to be a Chartist ques tion. The House will probably recollect an occurrence which took place in Monmouthshire.—(Cheers.) I believe I have always represented since I have been in this House popular opinions, and have always endeavoured to do my duty to the constituency that sought me out.—(Great laughter.) I was invited to become a Member of Parliament, and I consented to accept the invitation.-7( Renewed laughter.) I do not know why this should be a laughing Matter. I was going to state that I was invi ed to become the reproentative of nay constituents in this.House,—(continued .tv..irps• imighter, and other interruption, followed by cries of " Go on, go on.") It is very Well to say go on.—( Roars of laughter. ) If the House will allow me, I will say a few words, to explain why I wished to speak on this question. The House wig re collect an outrage which took place in Monmouthshire.— ( Laughter. ) Having always represented popular opinions.— ( Cries of " Pish, piste, shame, shame, and oh, oh !") As I stated that I did not intend to occupy the House more than a few minutes, 1 do not consider this treatment lair ; and, there fore, I. move to adjourn the debate. . Mr. COLLINS "seconded the motion • The SPEAKER put the questinn for 'The adjournment, and it was negatived without a division, Mr. BLEWITT said he should certainly not address the House after the manner in which he had been treated. He did not think it was at all fair towards him. He had been for years in Parliament, and had never intruded himself on the Nouse ; yet they had denied him common civility and con sideration. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD briefly replied. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared— For the motion Against it Majority against Rick rqotion. BUM LIGHT—RF.WARO TO MLt. GURNEY. - . o.)e, fir C. LEMON moved for a Select Committee to con sider the propriety of granting a reviard to Mr. Gurney, for the inventimi of the Bude Light.- 7 -Agreed to. SALMON FISHERIES (SCOTLAND.) Mr. E. ELLICE. moved for leave to bring in a Bill for regu lating the close of the Salmon Fisheries in Scotland. TIMBER SHIPS BILL. The Timber Ships Bill passed through Committee. COPYRIGHT BILL. The Report of the Copyright Bill was brought up, and on the motion of Lord MAHON it was ordered to be reprinted with the amendments. _ _ _ The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House Adjourned at a Quarter after Twelve o'Cloek. THE !KISH BAR. MEETING OF THE IRISH LAW STUDENTS iN LONDON. A meeting of the Irish law students at present in London, was held in the Crown and Anchor Tavern on Tuesday evening last, for the purpose of taking into consideration the provisions of " a Bill to amend the Laws regulating the admission of Barristers in Ireland," introduced into Parliament by Sir Valentine Blake. The Chair was taken at eight o'clock by Mr. F. L. Smyth. The CHAIRMAN having explained the objects of the meeting, Mr. M. J. MARTYN, who was requested to act as Se cretary, stud that the Committee of Irish Law Students in London, of which he was a member, totally disap proved of the measure introduced by Sir Valentine Blake. They had determined to oppose it in every stage ; and, with that view, a petition was prepared for presentation to the House of, Commons, pointing out the monstrous anomalies and. absurdities of the Bill ; and at the same time praying a modification of the pre sent system. The Committee had deputed him (Mr. Martyn) and the Chairman to Walt - on Sir Valentine Blake, to remonstrate with him, and to ascertain from what source he had received instructions to bring in such a measure, but they were unable to obtain any clue to the originators of the matter, Sir Valentine Blake having only stated that he had received instructions from a " number of law students." It was obvious that the present system was absurd in the extreme. No doubt advantages might be derived from students coming over to London, but there should be no compul sion—it should be optional; and it' they were to be obliged to keep terms in London, they should be obliged to avail themselves of those advantages which it was said they could have there. Nothing could be more absurd—no thing more unreasonable—than the provision of the Bill now under consideration of the House of Commons, th:.t eight years were necessary to enable men to ac complish in Ireland what might be done in England in three years. The statutes by which the; present system was regulated were passed at a pariod - When the practice of the Irish Courts dirt not afford students the means of qualifying themselves for their profession, and at a time, too, when other motives beside made it appear po litic to compel Irish students to resort to English Inns of Court; but the necessity for these laws had long ceased to exist—the Irish Courts now affording every means for a complete legal education, the Irish bar being as eminent for learning and ability, and the Irish Judges being, according to the admission of all parties, as distinguished for their decisions as their brethren in England.—(Hear, hear.) In addition to all that, the continuance of the present system stamped the Irish bar with an unjust mark of inferiority, which their legal acquirements and character in no degree warranted; and it exacted from the Irish students nearly double the amount of fees and stamp duties payable by those whose intention it was to be called to the English bar'; for that there was no advantage conferred upon the Irish student, except forsooth the privilege of going into a pleader or conveyancer's chambers, for which lie was again victimised. That profession, like all others, re quired a certain amount of protection-.; it was not sought to annihilate that protection ; it was not desired to increase the facilities, nor was it requisite to increase the restrictions, in order to meet the views of those who were in favour of an abolition of the present system, but the object was to remodel the existing system, and sub stitute in its stead one less remarkable for antiquated absurdity, and one which would be calculated to confer advantages upon the body at large. The CHAIRMAN regretted that time did not permit the London Committee to await the reply to communica tions despatched to the law students in Ireland, whose co-operation it was desirable to have, in order the more effectually to oppose the present Bill. It was unnecessary for him to expose the absurdities of the present system, as every law student was sensible of them. The Bill now under consideration of the House, while it pretended to remove the abuses of which they complained, had only the effect of perpetuating, if not aggravating, them under another form. The Chairman then entered into the de tails of the Bill itself, and in a very able and eloquent manner elucidated its injustice, contradictions, and absurdities. Mr. 11.1AnTyst then brought forward the petition which, protesting against Sir V. Blake's Bill, prayed that the Legislature should repeal the Acts of 33d Hen. VIII. and 11th Elizabeth, and that it should be enacted in their stead that all fit persons should be, hereafter permitted to practice as barristers in Ireland, who had graduated at one of the Universities of Great Britain or Ireland, and who lead entered as Irish students any of the Inns of Court of Great Britain or Ireland, and served therein twelve terms; or who, not having graduated a; any Uni versity, should have, in lieu thereof, paid as an equivalent such additional amount of fees and served such additional number of terms as to the Legislathre might seem fit; and further that the right of all students, now in any stage of their course of preparation for the Irish bar, should not be affected by any alteration of the present system. Mr. WHITE expressed his entire concurrence in the observations which had been made, and his approbation of the petition, which was calculated to convey the opinions and meet the views of the Irish law students in general; he had therefore much pleasure in moving that it be adopted, and entrusted for presentation to the Right lion. Frederick Shaw, and that the Bight lion. the Lord 11layor of Dublin, the Solicitor-General for Ireland, and other Irish Members, should be requested to support its prayer. Mr. DEARING having seconded'the resolution, Mr. DUGGAN moved as an amendment, that Sir V. Blake should be remonstrated with, and the objection able nature of his Bill pointed out to him by a deputation appointed for that purpose, before any petition should be adopted or presented to Parliament upon the subject of it. Mr. MARTYN stated, that he should be most anxious to act with the utmost courtesy towards Sir Valentine Blake, but the course suggested by the proposer of the amendment, was totally unnecessary, as Sir Valentine Blake had been apprised immediately after the first reading of the Bill of the evils which existed in the pre sent system, and of the remedies calculated to remove them. The Hon. Baronet had then an opportunity to act upon those suggestions, but lie did not seem to regard them; it appeared he was solely influenced by the repre sentations of seine nameless individual or some few un known persons, who had the audacity to impose upon him by representing the opinions of the body of the law students at large, manifestly without any authority whatever.—The amendment was withdrawn. A discussion then arose as to the Member who should be requested to present the petition, but it was ultimately agreed upon that Mr. Sergeant Murphy (Member for Cork) should be requested to present it, and that a de putation from that meeting should be appointed to wait upon Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Shaw, and other Irish Mem bers, for the purpose of securing their opposition to the Bill. Mr. DILLoN having been called to the Chair, Mr. O'DwvEn said he was convinced that that meet ing, and the Irish law students in general, felt deeply indebted to Mr. Smyth for his indefatigable zeal to pro mote their interests. He had therefore great pleasure in proposing a vote of thanks to him. The proposition was unanimously adopted, and the meeting then ad- jt,urned. - [The second reading of the Bill above alluded to was moved by Sir Valentine Blake last night in the house of Commons, and negatived without a division.] THE NATIONAL CONVENTION TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. Si 11,—In The Sun of Wednesday evening it was reported that " the meeting of to-day (Wednesday) was to oppose the steps taken by Mr. Sturge, of Birmingham." The Convention, at the sitting alluded to, engaged in a debate on a resolution, moved by Mr. Muir, of Scotland, at the request of his consti tuents, to the effect that the people should abide by the Charter and its name, which was carried unanimously. In the course of the discussion, various Delegates expressed different views on the movement of the Complete Suffrage party, but the Con vention did not specifically meet "to oppose the steps taken by Mr. Sturge. " Yours, re spectfully, R. K. PHILP. MELANCHOLY DE AT 11.—Weclnesday the proceedings of an adjourned inquest were resumed before Mr. W. Carter, at the Wbite Cross Inn, Richmond, Surrey, respecting the death of Mr. Francis Dagfield, who was drowned on Good Friday last, immediately opposite Strawberry-hill. The first witness examined was a w aterman, who. stated that on last Wednesday week he was sculling up the river, when he saw the body of deceased lying partly exposed on the shore at Richmond. He immediately conveyed it ashore , but i t was in a dreadful state of decomposition. A. Mr. Smith de posed, that on Good Friday he and the deceased hired a boat at Richmond, to row up to Strawberry-hill. As far as that the witness sculled up, but when , they had got to the once residence of Horace Walpole, the deceased expressed a wi s h to row, and he (witness) rose up to give him the seat. Th e boat was turned round one of the sits, and at this instant one of the Maidenhead barges was seen close ahead, being towed by two horses. The men on board called out to the deceased to keep out of the way, in order to avoid the towing-rope, but he was so unskilful that he ran the wherry right athwart it, and it was upset : The deceased almost instantly sank, and was never seen alive afterwards. He (Mr. Smith) with great difficulty and exertion got hold of the toss ing-line, and was at last pulled aboard the barge. In his opinion the bargemen were not at all , to blame, and after th e b oa t was upset t h ey see med to renuer all the assistance which was in their power. The drags were used for some time, but the body could not be found. The Jury returned a verdict of " Accidental death." EXPERIMENTS IN THE MARSHES AT WOOLWICH. .„ Amongst the numerous inventions submitted to the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, and referred by their Lord ships to the Committee of master shipwrights recently sitting at Woolwich Dockyard, was a composition to be used in place of the substance with which vessels are at present calked to rent'er them water-tight. The experiments ordered to be made by the master shipwrights to ascertain its value when applied to the purpose for which it is intended, and the result, are interesting anti satisfactory. Two pieces of African teak, a species of wood difficult to be joined together by glue, on account of its oily nature, had a coating of the composition applied to them in a boiling staterand' iff h short time after wards bolts and screws were attached to each end, the joined, wood placed in the testing-f rame , an d th e po w er of Bramah's hydraulic engine applied to the extent of 19 tens, when the chain broke without the slightest strain being susceptible where the joining took place. A larger chain of one inch and a half in diameter was then applied, Whi c h b ro k e w ith a s t ra in of 21 tons, the joint in the wood remaining apparently as firm as at first. The utmost strain the cement can bear in this form, therefore, remains to be proved when experiments are made with larger chains. Four pieces of ha r d wo ..d we re then joined together, weighing in one piece 44 cwt., and car ried to the top of the shears in the dockyard, a height of 76 feet, from which it was precipitated on the hard granite wharf wall below, without any of the joints yielding in the smallest degree. 'the results of these severe tests induced the Lcrds Corninissioners of the Admiralty to communicate with Lieu tenant-General Sir George 3 s urray, G. C. B. and G. C. H., fur the purpose of making experiments with it in the marshes, by bringing the full force of cannon-balls against it. Accordingly a number of planks of oak 8 inches thick and fir lb inches square were joined together with the cement, to represent 8 feet in height and 8 feet in length of the side of a first-rate ship of war, without anything else in the shape of bolt or se curity to assist the composition ; and it was on Tuesday set up as a target at the butt in the marshes. At one o'clock in the afternoon Lieutenant-General Lord Bloomfield, G.C. B. and G.C.11., Colonel Cleveland, Colonel R. Jones, Lieutenant- Colonel Jackson, Lieutenant-Colonel Chalmers, Major Sandi lands, Major Vaughan, Brigade-Major Cuppage, and a num ber of officers of the Royal Artillery, and a large detachment of the Ist battalion, were present to aaiist it and witness the experiment. Lcrd Adolphus Fitsclateuce and a number of civilians were also present, anxious to know the result; but, after remaining from one to three - o'clock, it was found im possible to fire a single shot, two brigs having anchored within the range, notwithstanding repeated Warnings not to do so. At the request of Lord Bloomfield the firing was deferred till Wednesday, the men being ordered in the marshes at nine a.m. At that hour a large detachment of the 9th battalion, under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel the lion. W. Arbutlinott and Major Hope, arrived, and shortly afterwards Lieutenant- Colonel J. F. Love, C.B. and K. 11., of the 73d Regiment, and Brigade-Major Cuppage; but after remaining until - eleven o'clock could only obtain three shots, owing to the length of time occupied by the brigs in getting out of the range, and the number of vessels passing at high water. It was originally intended to fire from the five-gun battery; but three new 32-pounder guns having been placed at 400 yards distance or point blank range, it was considered desirable to use them, as they will be wanted immediately for the first class steam-vessels, and consequently the shots did not take effect. At one o'clock in the afternoon, however, the levels were taken and three shots fired, every one entering the target, the third in a direct line with tire bull's-eye within three inches of its outer circle. The effects of these shots were wonderful, tearing the wood to pieces, and in only one instance, where the joint had not been good, showing that they had any effect upon the cement, so as to separate the joined parts from each other. A hole six inches and a quarter in diameter was then bored in the centre of the target, and a 32-pounder shell inserted and exploded by a match, which tore the wood to small splinters without in many places in the least separating the compositions. This new invention is said to possess the power of expanding like India robber in warm climates ? arid will not become brittle under the coldest temperature. It appears to be a great fa vourite with naval officers, as it is so clean, having only the appearance of French polish. The name of the inventor is Mr. Jeffrey. AFFGHANIST AN. COPY OF A LETTER FROM LADY SALE TO GENERAL SIR ' ROBERT SALE, FROM CAUBUL, GIVING A PRECIS OF EVENTS IN THAT CITY FROM THE 2D TO THE BTH OF NOVEMBER, 1841, AND DESPATCHED ON THE 9TH OF THAT MONTH. "Sly dear Sale, —The last letter I had from you was dated the Ist, from Gun damuck. On the 2d an insurrection broke out in Caubul, the shops plundered, Johnson's house and tree sury looted (stripped) and burnt. He was in cantonments, his guards and servants murdered. Troup and Warburton were in cantonments; their houses burnt; Sir A. Burnes, his bro ther, and Broadfoot, murdered ; Skinner supposed to be se creted by his gomashta ; Sturt was sent by the General a message, and was stabbed in four places in the King's presence —the face, the shoulder, a glance on the arm, and on the side. There are three principal chiefs at the head of this—Abdoela Khan, Atehokaye Moota Meuin, and Secunda Khan. The Kussulbashes are in, but are afraid to declare openly in our favour. Shelton, with two reehnents and one company, in the Bala Hissar. On the 3d the 27th came iii: '1 hey had to fight their way, being followed by 200 men, and had five killed, and 15 wounded. Gordon slightly w6unded. A number of Ko histanees came into Caubul. " The Trevors got out of the city with just the clothes they had on their backs. Their house burnt. The Affghans at tacked the cantonment and fort, but were repulsed by Waller, who was wounded by a ball, which lodged in his armpit. Another large party, who have raised the religious standard, c ame against the cantonments at the rear gate, where our guns dealt destruction, and the cavalry cut them up. Sturt able to speak, the wound in his shoulder deep, the side not so bad, the lungs uninjured, - the face wound near the corner of the eye ; he was struck on the bone with such force, that he was stunned for the moment ; he had warded off two blows. " On the 4th, Khan Shurreen Khan and others drove dart of the fighting men out of the town. The enemy took pos- I session of the small fort nearly opposite our bazaar that joins on the King's gardens. ,The guns played all day against the ' gate of the Shah Bagh, which is filled with the enemy ; it cannot be blown open with powder, as there are too many people about it. A large party of horsemen showed themselves on the Shah Sang -hill. Malunond Khan's fort, where the tower has been thrown down, has been taken possession of by the enemy. He is on our side, and therefore they have cut off his son's ears. We shotted and shelled the fort opposite our bazaar all day, but with little or no effect. The Kohistans up iii arms and furious. Maule and Wheeler murdered ; their men overpowered. Maule's khatagie (servant) alone escaped; came in half naked this day (the 14th). Saw killed Gordon and Swayne of the 44th. Robertson, of the 44th, and four men woun ded. Walsh, Hollaken, Warren, and sixteen men, 6th cavalry, wounded; thirty-one missing. At tea-time an alarm ; very brisk firing. "sth inst.—The troops employed all day. Guns and mug , tars, with shot and shell, at the fort, with very little effect. ‘• 6th inst.—Sturt insisted, weak as he was, in shirt, plasters, , and pay-jumas (drawers), on going to the General (Elphin stone), as there was no engineer there but himself. We have only Warburton and Eyre as artillery-officers—no laboratory man—the General gave him leave to do what he pleased—by ten o'clock we got all in order—by twelve a good breach, and in a few minutes it was carried—Raban killed—Dear wounded —llobhouse and twelve of the 13th volunteered for the assault —one man badly wounded—those of the enemy who escaped were joined by a large body of horsemen, well dressed and ' mounted, evidently Kussulbash—Sturt says not more than 2,060, others say 3,000—a beautiful sight—Anderson's horse charged up the hill, and drove the enemy all along the crest of it to the extreme left, where the sth Cavalry charged up— they were hemmed in—more Affghan horse came up, and they had a great struggle with swords, but the Affghan matchlock was so hot, that they in turn drove ours back all along the ridge, and they had outnumbered us so greatly as to be able to retire in excellent order. Anderson's horse again went up the road to challenge them, but their position was good and they maintained it. We had every man out on duty canton ments. A brigade was much wanted in the field. Two guns of Warburton's were seised by the enemy in the city, and the men forced to work them. They have thrown a number of balls into cantonments and into Sturt's garden from Mahmoud Khan's fort. Sir William Alacnaghten has given 50,000 rupees to a Kussulbash chief to create a diversion in our favour, and promised him two lacs'if he succeeds. The Envoy and General agreed to send for the 13th and 35th (Sale's bri gade)—at first the General would not, but yesterday the order went off for you to return with the 13th and 35th, leavint. your sick, wounded, and baggage in safety to come on by 1 :ong marches ;.but much responsibility is thrown on you in t.), 5 way, and you will have to fight great numbers near W's, whatever the state of the country may be far off. " 'I he enemy have had possession of the tommissariat Fort these two days—to-day they have set it tV o tire, as also a village near the town that fired on them. - %,:e thought it was the city on fire. Sturt got the wall of tk e garden near the Commissa riat Fort down by the Saraers to-day. A new King and Vizier had been set UP, but the other chiefs will not have them. Codrington‘s corps in Chareckan surrounded. All the officers wounde - 1. Rattray and Salisbury killed. Sturt's wounds are doing well, but he overworks his strength; his mind keeps him up ; and Harcourt tells me to give him wine and arrowroot. Ile cannot get open his mouth to get food in properly. His tongue and throat have suffered, and all the nerves about. He is out all clay, and the soldiers help him about. Last night he did not get to bed till one, and then was waked up by a note. Mackenzie defended the fort he was in till his ammunition was expended, and then he cut his way out : has three wounds. We have intelligence that we were to be attacked to-night, and that they were making boosa bays to throw into the ditch. No one had made arrangements for an attack. The General and Anquetil gave Stun a carte blanche. Ile has told off the officers and people to their posts, and paraded them this evening, and at nine went with Paton, Eyre, and Pellew, all the rounds. The Envoy is in cantonments, and his place is a cavalry and infantry intrenched camp, and the walls loop-holed. We have a nine and a six-pound. r in the battery next us, 15 guns in position, the walls well-manned, and our men stanch. If we get over to-night, we shall, I trust, repel the enemy till you arrive. Heavers shield us all! I should not be nervous if I could see what was going on. I hope they will not atkaek us this night ; but the unusual still ness of no firing looks like mischief. " Bth instant.—We had an alarm at four o'clock. The enemy attempted to take the fort back again. They mined a large hole, and set fire to the bastion, but were drive(' back. We areal! in high spirits, and look fot ward to your arrival with interest and anxiety.—With our united love, " FLORENTINE SALE." TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUZY. Sia,—Allow me to suggest, through the medium of your paper, what, in all probability, if properly acted upon, may hereafter prove of considerable i mportance to the Reform in terest. It is simply as follows :—That every person paying his portion of tax upon 150/. or more, under Sir Robert Peel's Hill, ought to be entitled to a vote for the county or division of the county in which he resides, the same as the 501. tenants at will voters under the Chandos clause. Surely the man, who by his abilities and attention to business can earn 150/. per annum, and who is compelled to pay a tax for merely exer cising his praiseworthy talent, and necessary enterprise and exertion, has an equal stake in the country, and is as fully com petent to exercise the elective power, as the mere occupant of a farm or a house of 501. per annum value.—Yours truly, Manchester, Apri 120, 1842. A REFORMER. WIGNEY'S BANKRU Up to last night no less then 2,492 orders for admission to view the late residence of the Messrs. Wigney had been issued by the auctioneer, Mr. Ridley; and a second edition of the catalogues has become necessary, the first having been entirely sold off._ _ We understand that, besides the other irons which Mr. Isaac Wigney had in the fire, there was one which has not hitherto been made known, namely, a shop in Bond-street for the sale of caoutchouc. The protection to a bankrupt Member of Parliament against arrest does not operate where a felony has been committed to the extent of 10/.—Brighton Gazette. LONDON AND BRIGHTON RAILIVA V.—On the Ist of May, the trains will start according to an arangement made by the Directors for the summer season. At the same time a goods train will be put on, to start at half past eight o' c l oc k i n the evening, making the journey in three hours and a half. The goods train will also, elms understand, ennve v passengers, at 65., between Brighton, and Luba.' DECISION IN THE - CASE OF THE FRENCH POST-OFFICE AGAINST VIVIFR, ONE OF THE COURIERS OF TIIE LONDON MORNING PAPERS. BOULOGNE, Arun, 19.—This case, which excited so muela interest on Wednesday last, and attracted such a crowd of spec tators, on account of the great orator who pleaded the defeqe, has just been decided against the courier. It appears eitio . cause has, at the same time, excited the most unprecedented severity in the conduct and judgment of the French authotsi ties, as regards the carrying of letters, &c., for, independent of the condemnation of the courier to pay a fine of 150 f. (about 61.) the same penalty has been inflicted upon an English lady who arrived by the mail packet on the 3d inst., two letters having been found in her pocket-book. Capt. Wing fiield, of the Emerald, London steamer, was also fined the same sum for bringing a letter directed to a ship-broker, who is the agent in Boulogne to the Commercial Steam-packet Company It is highly important this severity should be made known to the public, to prevent such serious consequences to the nume rous English who are now beginning to come to Boulogne, lire. 1 have now only to add the judgment, as pronounced this tray, by M. Dessaux, the President, and of -which the following it the translation. I will endeavour to send also the French copy :.--- Considering that it results from instructions that \lcier transported from Paris to Boulogne, and remitted to Mr. Barryi of the Marine Hotel, a dispatch of the weight of 355 grammes, and addressed to Mr. Marsh, Dover ; Considering that the Article 1 of the decision of the Consuls, of the 27th Prairial, in the year 9, forbids every person who is not in the service of the Post-office, to interfere or meddle with the transport of letters, journals, pamphlets, &c., of the weight: of one kilogramme (about 21b.), or less; Considering that this disposition is general and absolute, and makes no dis tinctien between those who act contrary to the prohibition which it establishes; Considering that it. is of little consequence that Vivier be a ruarier s/c Commerce, that he was bearer oily of one dispatch, and that the fact proved against him may be an isolated fact, or the result of practice or a custom to transport letters and journals coining from India, and destined for England, and may have hitherto been practised by courriers de commerce in the presence of and knowledge of the administration of the Post Office, and under no opposition on their part, is totally indiffe rent, since it arises only from a blameable tolerance contrary to law ; Considering that in the presence of a clear and precise legislation, which admits of no exception whatever, it cannot be admitted that either the administration of the Post-office, or the Minister of Finances himself, has any right whatever to grant authority or permission to what the law has not admitted or forbids. The Tribunal declares Vivier guilty of having interfered in the transmission of letters and parcels, and the President, after having read the articles 1 and 5 of the decree of the. Con suls of !a Prairial, year 9 as therein specified, condemns Vivier to pay a fine of 150 francs and all expenses; and at the same time makes him liable for six months (per eontrainte de corps) for the payment of the fine. LAW INTELLIGENCE. HOUSE OF LORDS, April 21. The House sat to-day to hear appeals ; the Peers present were the Lord Chancellor, Lord Brougham, Lord Cottenham, and Lot d Campbell, CHARTER V. SIR J. TREVELYAN. The further arguments in this part-heard appeal were re sumed to-day, but not having concluded when their Lordships rose, the further consideration of the case was postponed t►ll to-morrow (this day). VICE-CHANCELLORS' COURT, April2l. (Before the VICE-CHANCELLOR of ENGLAND.) lIANC•Ck V. 11ULLMANDEL. llis Honour gave judgment in this case this morning. It was an application to restrain the defendant from using a cer tain process of printing from stone. for which it was alleged that the plaintiff had an exclusive patent. His HoNona refused to grant the injunction, but directed an issue to try whether the defendant had or had not infringed the plaintiff's patent, as alleged in the bill, reserving the ques tion of costs until the action should have been tried. COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH, April I. BRLES V. JORDAN. Mr. PLATT moved for a rule to show cause why the 'verdict had in this case, should not be set aside. The case was tried in London before Lord Denman, and a verdict of 15/. was entered for the plaintiff. The plaintiff and defendant were both traveling in the same carriage from Blackwall, and en their arriving at London Mr. Brees gave the defendant into the custody of a reliceman for smoking in the carriage, which is contrary to the bye-laws of the Railroad Company. Mr. Jordan was taken to the police station at the 'Wineries, and denied tke charge, and on demanding the name of the person who gave him in charge, Mr. Brees , wh o accom p an i e d hint to the station, refused to give his name. Mr. Drees then said that he would not press the charge, and was leaving the station-house, when Mr. Jordan desired the police-constable not to allow the plaintiff to go till he gave his name, which he still refused to do, though he was asked sixty or seventy times. lie was then taken into custody by the police, for which he brougt.t his action against Mr. Jordara and the police, and the Jury brought in a verdict of Mi. against the parties. Mr. Platt now contended that the verdict was not properly given.—Rele nisi granted. RAIL COURT, April 21. 11A1tT V. iSAACS. This was an action for mesne profits. Mr. MILLAR stated the case. The defendant held premises of the plaintiff's in Covent Garden, at a rent of 42/., from which the plaintiff had a power of ejecting the defendant by giving three months' notice. Legal notice wasgiven, but the de tendent held the premises in his possession from Michaelmas to the •22c1 of January. A witness was called who proved the fact', and the jury brought in a verdict of M. for the plaintiff. LYSOL ITN 7' DEI37'ORS' COURT, April 21. I It/ WILL/ AM PITT. 'the intolvent's petition to be discharged was opposed by Mr. Wood' offe on behalf of several creditors. It appeared on his examination that dm ing his confinement in the Marshalsea prisoner, while in a state of intoxication, some of his fellow prisoners began "larking" with him, and threw his hat behind the fire in the prison tap-room. Placed between the crown of it and his handkerchief, was a promisory note drawn by a person named Peters in his favour, for 200/. which was destroyed. 't he Learned CO:►tousstONtat said, that upon looking over the insolvent's schedule he could see not the slightest allusion to this transaction. The money was still due to him from Peters, and it was quite evident that the motives for the omission were to defraud the body of the creditors. In the present case he felt very much inclined to inflict the most ex treme sentence permitted by the law, namely, three years' int. p, isonment. The case was then adjourned sine die. PREROGATIVE COURT, April 20. IN THE MATTER OF MARY ISAAM This was a motion for probate to a will of Mary Isaacs, who died on the 13th of February, 1839, possessed of property to the amount of 2,0001. Th e will was d a t e d t h e 24 t h October, 1838, and it bequeathes 5001. each to two nieces of the deceased, and the residue to Mr. William and Mr. Mark Reeve. Pro bate was not sought until March last, and then the property Was sworn under 600/. The registrars refused probate, on the ground that the will on the face of it appeared to have been meddled with. The motion now was that probate should pass to the executors named in the paper. The LEARNED J LIME, after having heard Counsel in sup port of the application, went over the material facts of the case. It had been admitted that the will had been spoliated by one of the residuary legatees, with the view of depriving the two Metres of their legacies of 50U/. each, and the only excuse offered was, that the party so acting had expected a larger be nefit under the will than that actually given. In the Court's experience it had never had before it a case so strong as the present, in which not only the legatees were sought to be in jured--the bequests to them ► having been cut out from the paper, but in which the revenue of the country was attempted to oe evaded by the act of the party in question. Indeed, the Court thought that this was a ease which demanded that the papers should be laid before the Attorney-General, with the view that an action might. be brought against the party for an attempt to evade the duty. The Court most reluctantly must dieee'. probate to be issued as prayed, but the registrar would Vat in mind that, in future, wherever the slightest suspicion of' fraud was entertained, probate must not be granted to papers. without the Court's attention being drawn to them. MUDWAY P. CROFT. In this case an allegation was offered for admission. The deceased was Ann Wix, who died on the 7th of June, 1841, leaving personal property of the value of 80,000/. and real pro perty worth 970/. per annum. The will of the deceased was dated the 10th of September, 1830. The Rev. Mr. Wia,now a lunatic, was appointed residuary legatee. The deceased left a cousin-germain behind her, Mrs. Itiedway, who, as next of kin, would be entitled if an intestacy is established. Sir R. Croft, as counsel for the lunatic, appeared in support of the will. 1)r. Annams and Dr. DEANE were heard against the ad miscibility, and argued that if the whole facts stated in. the a . - les ation were proved, the Court could not grant probate to t e ,se palter, the testatrix being afflicted with monomania, especially holding the opinion that a high dignitary of the Church moan love with her, and wished to marry her. Iler It:ajesty's Advocate (with whom was Dr. Jenner)l . was about to address the Court in support of the admissibilitv, but was interrupted by The Coo RT, who at once held that the allegation tav,is en titled to admission. THE DUKE OF DORSET V. LORD IIAWARDENI. The deceased in this ease, Mrs. Leighton, died in 1841, having made a will in 1839, by which she gave a. legacy of 1,000/. each to her two cousins, Lord Ilawarden and Lord Sackvillc. She also appoints Lord Ilawarden and Laird George Sackville her executors, and the whole point turxis as to the intention of the deceased in the use of the words " Lord Sark ville" in the one place, and " Lord Georg Sackeille," in the other. The late Duke of Dorset left two sons—Charles Lord Viscount Sackvillc, and the Honourable George Sackville Germain, and it is doubted by the parties in the suit, which of the two is meant. On the one side i'. is contended that Lord Sackville, though subsequently called in the will •" Lord George Sackvillc" (for they are adra'Ated to mean one person)* must be intended for the present Tooke of Dorset. His name is Charles, but, then, that. would only involve the single inaccuracy of the Christian nag ie—the " George," for the Charles,"—whereas the other interpretation, that the Honourable G. Germain is oseant—involves the double. in accuracy of the title, which is. wrongly added, and o f the surname, which is misstated. Besides, o n behalf of the Duke of Dorset, it is alleged that g neater intimacy existed between him and the deceased than be'cween her and his brother. On the other side, it is argued ttaat the onus of proof lay on th e . Duke of Dorset, who claimed the executorship—that between opposing probabilities, the probability was on behalf of the lion. George Germain, who, vhen his brother came to the Dukedom, might naturally be supposed by a woman, but little acquainted with the world, to have receive d the courtesy titl e o f Lord, or Lord George Sackvillc. In addition to the question of probability, founded upon evidence, a legal point wa s raised,. whether such evidence could be received at all to explain thes ambiguity of the will. Dr. Haggard and Dr. Harding appeared for the Duke osff Dorset, am os r . Addams and Dr. Curties on behalf of Lont Ilawarden, the other executor. Th e Cosa/ had no hesitati on i n pronounc i ng, according Sae h s a precedent e case upon the subject, Miler e.• Travers, erborunt ambiquitas," might..might.. bare rrt,, that in thtehe " leading r e xplained by evidence, an d th at t h e ev id ence in this cave Imam strongly in favour of the Duke of Dorset. To him and to,Lord Ilawarden, as joint executors, probate of the will was accord. ingly granted. DR. REID'S LECTURES ON 6IIEMISTRY.-111/ .. series of Dr. Reid's leetures, which was interrupttd on tin preced ing Wednesday by the occupation of the great room is , Exeter Hall far the exhibition of Dlr. Mullah's singing (iv., es, when Dr. Reid's disciples were too numerous for any kg? apart ment, was resumed on Wednesday; an d we are Kapp! .er _ t o say, to an increased audience, there being not less than 2,6 00 persons present. Dr. Reid parsued his explanations upon, the delete rious qualities of carbonic acid gas , demonstratinr; its existence and formation in calcined cinder and coke. D, eta 7 use were drawn up before the Prof essor's p latform, the ,14 yarns of the various fire-places and chimn e y s now in ordi , 139 , ..s and conve niences of which were exp lained b y him to a nt e u e di own graphic and instructive manner. • h ence in his t 1