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HOUSE OF' COMMgNS, JULY 18. Mr. Johnson, from the Irish Secretary's Office, presented at the bar the Copy of a Memorial with respect to the Irish Fisheries.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. W. D UND AS presented a Petition from the Convention of. 'the Royal Burghs of Scotland,. praying the removal of the Restrictions ,upon Trade.—Ordered to. lie on the table, and to be printed. _ _ _ - Pellew's Divorce Bill was read a third time and passed, as was the Witnesses in India Bill. THE DU(HES OF KENT. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, after some prefatory observations upon the justice of enabling her Royal Highness the J) less of Kent to defray the unavoidable:expence attend ing the establishment which she possessed upon the death of the Duke, especially as no allow ance had et been granted for the establishment of her infant daughter, proposed an Address to his Majesty-, praying that the quarter's salary, 'which would have become (hie to the Duke of Kent on the sth of April last; should be paid to the Duchess,- and promising that that HU use would, enable his • Majesty to make good the same.—Agreed to mumimously. AccompTAN r GENETt AT, ni."riiE COURT OF CH A M V. Mr. CALCRAFT said, be understood the Ac cOnntant-General . of. the Court of Chancery at present, besides his salark - received a portion of the brokerage with the Broker of the Court. lie was ready to acknowledge that this Officer ought to be liberally paid, but he thought the payment should be - made in the way' of salary and without disguise, 'that it might be apparent to the Public what be did receive. He should, therefore, now move for an account of the brokerage received by the Broker, and the manner in which it had beer: applied, for a certain period. Mr. COURTNEY- had no intention of opposing the motion.; as far as it could be complied with itstiOuld have his support ; he would now only state the nature of the-office and of the salary received. By the 12th of Geo. 11. the ACcount ant-General. had certain duties to perform, and he received a salary of about 1500/. a year ; be sides these duties, he had others, relating to the buying and selling or stock, and for his trouble in performing these duties he received a certain por tion of the brokerage, paying the broker the re maining part of the brokerage. The only -diffi culty he felt as regarded this motion was as to the time mentioned, namely, 10 years. Now the present Accountant-General had been' in of fice only about eight months, and could not make returns for other persons, his predecessors. Mr. ABERCROMBIE thought there would be no difficulty in making this.•return, as the present Broker had been Broker to the Court for many .ye ars. After a few words from Mr. CALCRAFT the motion was agreed to. ADJOUItNNIF,NT OF THE Lord k..ASTLER EAGII moved, that the House at its rising adjourn till Monday next. Mr. CALER.IFT (as was understood) asked what was the object of adjourning the House till Mon day, and whether it' was intended to propose any further adjournment after-that period? Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that his object in not proposing to adjourn to a later day than Monday, was with a view to their adjourning finally to the same period as the Lords ; whilst the interval which would be afforded them by the present arrangement' would allOw their Lordships time to ascertain what period it would be most convenient for them to adjourn for. When a cor rect estimate of that time should be formed, he apprehended that the House would feel that no time ought to be lost in assembling : and prior to the Bill which was at present before the House of Lords being brought down to them, proper steps would be taken to insure a full attendance by means of a call of the House. I3ARRACK AGREEMENT BILL The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order of the Day for the third reading of this Bill. Mr. LOCKHART stated his intention of oppos ing this Bill to the last. The Hon. Member de tailed a variety of objections .which he entertained towards the Bill, as tending to continue the sys tem 'of establishing Barracks all over the coun try, which he looked upon as a principal agent in the rapid advance which of late years had been making towards the establishment of a military despotism. lie warned the House to consider, that a military ascendancy once gained in the country was not so easily controuled as might be wished, by those who looked forward to wield it for their own purposes. Armies had as often ac complished Revolutions as they had been the means of repressing thorn ; and the history of the past was the history of the future. In modern days, Spain afforded an eKan.ple of the truth of what he advanced. Among other objections which he had to the Barrack system, was, that be had always observed, that the enclosing individuals in high walls had the effect of rendering them of a morose disposition, which was the last thing to be encouraged in a soldier. This remark would be found to hold good with respect to labourers in manufactories which were surrounded by high walls ; and it would he found that the spirits were always depressed,-and the temper soured, in proportion as individuals were debarred from a free circulation of air, and an unrestrained in tercourse with society. The House then divided on the motion for the third reading of the Bill, when the numbers were : In favour of the Bill so Against it Majority —3s IRISH DISTILLERY REGULATIONS. On the Order of the Day for the House going into a Committee on !the Stills' Regulation Bill ►eml, Mr. liuTcuzNsom stated his objections to the measure, as being contrary to the wishes and opinions of a majority of, the Irish Distillers. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by MON Ina for a copy of the Report of the Excise Board of Ireland, containing their opinion on the proposed Regula tions in the Distilleries ; also for a copy of a Re port of. Messrs. Doyle and Carr, made on an in spection of the Irish Distilleries in the autumn of 1819. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER objected to the motion, on the ground that the papers moved for formed a part of a correspondence not yet complete, and therefore lie submitted,' it would be better the motion should be withdrawn for the present. Mr. CHICHESTER considered the measure now under consideration as one that would go to de stroy the Distillery of_ Ireland,,and under - that impression he should, previous to these Bills passing, move for a Committee to inquire gene rally into the subject. General HART repeated his objections to this measure, as not giving sufficient encouragement to small stills. He also objected to the system of still fines. The Collectors had been let . loose on the country to seize and plunder ; and there was no means at present existing - of bringing them to account for the plunder they then made. He then gave notice, that he would not rest until he had obtained inquiry into this subject. Re verting again to small stills, he submitted, that by licensing stills of this description, they would derive a revenue from an evil they could not cure. After a few words from Mr. HUTCHINSON, the motion was negatived. FOREIGN TltArlt. Mr. WALLACE brought up the Report of the Select Committee on Foreign Trade. lii laying this Report before the House, the Hon. Member stated; at some length, the principles upon which the Committee had conducted their deliberations. They took into their consideration the numerous petitions from commercial and manufacturing communities laid before Parliament, complaining of the great injuries sustained under the restric tive system which had so long prevailed in this country, for the protection of British manufac tures and commerce ; and, upon the fullest con sideration of the subject, it appeared to them that all restrictions on trade whatever was an evil not justified by political expedience ; and that, whenever this evil can he removed, without absolute injury to the manufacturing interests of this country, or actual violation to-treaties with foreign nations, it ought to be removed. There were some manufactures of this country which had grown up to prosperity under the existing , system of restrictions to which it might be ruin ous if that system were too suddenly withdrawn, and towards those the system of relaxation mint be more general for some years. With respect to the trade with Africa and America, it was the opinion of the Committee, that all intercourse be tween them and this country should be carried on in British ships ; but with respect to the produce and manufactures of the countries of Europe, the Committee were of opinion, that they might be brought to this country in ships belonging to the countries of which they are the produce, except from parts of Germany and the Netherlands, Where restriction should be confined to the article of linen, which was to be imported in no ships whatever. With respect to the warehousing sys tem, the Committee were of opinion, that it would not be too much extended if this country was to be made the emporium of the world for the pro duce and manufactures of all nations, by free im port and export. It was not his purpose at pre sent to state at length the reasons which induced the Committee to adopt those regulations, because this was not the proper time for such a statement. The fitter time would be, when the measures intended should be brought before the House, which would be in • an early part of the ensuing Session of Parliament. There was one difficulty which the Committee experienced, namely, an examination of the various Acts of Parliament, by which - the trade of this country -was-restricted with respect to the produce of other nations. In 1815 it was said, that of such laws there were two thousand passed, of which there were eleven hundred then in operation, to which some others had been since added. But the sooner they could be abolished, the more he was convinced it would be for the advantsge of this country. There were some regulations in existence which subjected to sei zure ship and cargo if brought to this country from foreign ports ; and every man must see what an impediment this must be to our intercourse with other nations. He did feel, however, that a considerable time must elapse before all impedi ments could be removed, and the Country" placed in the full enjoyment of those advantages to be derived from an unrestricted system of commerce with , the world. Such 'was the Outline - of the system recommended by the Committee ; they were important in many views Of the 'uliject ; and if the House should approve of their Report, he shouid consider it one important step gained . towards realising the true means of prosperity to the country, which he was sorry to say the enact ments of that House had too long prevented, under a mistaken policy ; and . which it be came necessary now to reform for the better regulation of our trade with foreign nations. This system, so long the reproach of our Country, had obliged foreign nations to adopt the-like system towards us ; and, though we might for some time support this exclusive system in some instances, he trusted. we should now shew that our disposition was to-.fairness and re ciprocity towards other nations, and he trusted that if foreign countries, in future, should im pose any restrictions hostile to the trade of this, they would not be able to justify their conduct by quoting our example. The Hon. Member concluded by moving, that this Report do lie on the table, and , that it be printed.—Ordered ac cordingly. IRISH PROMISSORY NOTES' BILL. B;11 teat commiited. After softie remark! , from Mr. C ij Hutchinson, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Hume, and Mr. Lockhart, the House resumed.—lteport 01: Monday next. SIR WILLIAM MANNERS. Mr. TENNYSO N presented a Petition from Sir W. Manners (who was committed to Newgate a fclv days ago for a contempt of the authority of the House), praying that he might be discharged upon payment of his fees. lie had no ulterior object in presenting this Petition, than to have it placed upon the table. He understood that when an individual was committed to Newgate by that House, it was not usual to discharge him without bringing him to the bar of it to be repri manded. Sir William Manners was, however, in .such an infirm state of health, that he would not be able to bear a reprimand given With those authoritative tones, and in that impressive man ner, which distinguished their present Speaker whenever he had occasion to vindicate their pri vileges or authority. He did not speak of the infirm state of Sir Wm. Manners's health from his own knowledge ; all that he knew of it was • from information which he had received from the friends of that gentleman. There was, however,, a medical gentleman: in attendance, who could give them any information which they might think necessary on that point.' He should, as he said before, merely move that the Petition be laid on the table, as he was not aware whether the House participated in the feelings by .which he himself was actuated .on this subject. He trusted, however, - that as Sir Wm. Manners was now prostrate before them, they would spare that gentleman an exhibition, which, without pro ducing any moral advantage to the country, would be productive ,of great „pain, if not of great personal danger, to him in his present infirm state of health.—The Petition was then 'read, and laid upon the table: Mr. Box, the Surgeon of New,gate, being called to the Bar of the house, said,:fthat he had seen Sir W. ?flannel's that day, and that, in his opi nion, he could not attend at the Bar of the House without considerable risk. The Marquess of TrrtuFrEtn moved that Sir W. Manners be discharcr n ed ) upon payment of his Mr. M. A. TAYLOR bore testimony to the in firm state of Sir W. Manners's health. After a few words from Mr. Grant, Mr. R. Martin, Mr. W. Williams, and the Marquess of Tiichfield, the motion was agreed to. lONIAN ISLANDS. Mr. HUMS moved for returns of the expendi ture to Great Britain of the lonian Islands for the year ending 24th December, 1819. Mr. GOULBURN was willing to accede to the motion, in order to rectify the mistakes which ex isted relative to that eN.penditure.—The motion was agreed to. _ _ GAOLS. Mr. H. CLIVE moved for leave to bring in a Bill for the better regulation of Gaols. He wished that the Bill should be known, and that as soon as possible it should be read the first time and be printed.—Leave granted. CHARITABLE ESTABLISHMENTS. Mr. H. CLIVE moved, that the fourth Report of the Commissioners for inquiring into the Charities of England and Wales, and also that the Reports of the Commissioners of Weights and Measures, should be laid before the House.—Agreed to. The House adjourned at a quarter past six o'clock to Monday next. TIMBER DUTIES. MINUTES of EVIDENCE relative to the TIMBER TRADE, taken before the SELECT COMMITTEE of the HOUSE of LORDS, appointed to inquire into the Mea►►s of extend ing and securing the FOREIGN TRADE of the COUN TRY, and td. Report to the House. (Continued from our Paper of Monday last.) • The following is the conclusion of the Evidence of EDWARD SOLLY, Esq. : Is not much of the TiMber bronght over in Colliers, who go for it io ballast ?—The greater number of ships that go to the Baltic for Timber are colliers, who go out in ballast ; souse few tale coals, but very few. Have you ever passed any time in Sweden ?—I was a twelve month in Sweden, in the year 1812. Do you know of any thing in the present state of Sweden which would mate it more difficult for us to expect that it would now receive our Manufactures and Colonial produce than at any other time ?—I conceive it is the state of their paper currency. They have a super-abundance of paper cur rency, us they have acted upon the notion, that it was suffici ent to give a security to that currency ; it is issued upon pro perty mortgaged; any person having property of any kind can get paper currency advanced to hint upon the security of that property. Do you mean that that facility of paper currency has caused them to overtrade for some time past, or is that the feeling of the Swedish Government at present?—'('he super-abundance of this paper currency has been the cause of its low price, and he exchange being what is called against Sweden ; the Swedish Government however have thought that the Exchange being against the country arose front a super-abundance of impUr tation,and they have endeavoured to check the consumption of such articles as were imported. As to the produce of every country as well as that of Great Britain ?—Yes. Do you mean to say therefore, that it is the policy of the present Swedish:Government to discourage all importations ? —lt is. With respect to the American Timber, do yen know that the importation of Canadian Timber is encouraged very much by the state Oahe duties ?—I know that it is ; and not only that, but the importation of United States Timber through the medium of Canada ; fur the Governments of Canada did, by au Order in Council of the year 1815 and 1816, permit the importation of Lumber and Timber front the United States duty-free, aira not merely Timber, but other articles; so that the exportation front the United States into. Canada, in one year, was above three million of dollars, nut for the consump tion of the Canadians, but by the means of Canada, to avoid the double duty which was laid on such produce if imported direct fron► the United States. Is not our duty, therefore, so far a bounty upon the impor tation of United States' Timber in preference to that of the Baltic States?—Certainly. Does it operate so at this moment ?—lt dues. Do not yon understand that the Canadian Timber is much inferior in quality to that of the Baltic ?—I have always un derstood so ; but I an► of opinion your Lordships will receive this information best front the Surveyor of Ills Majesty's Navy. Is it not then your opini.n, so far as you are acquainted with the subject, that the consumer pays a higher price on account of the duty fur an inferior art►cle ?—Undoubtedly. Can Timber sif the same size be imported front the Baltic as from America ?—Yes. By what measure are the fang Prussian and Russian deals sold ?—They are generally sold by the piece, of a certain measure. Is time not a measure called the Petersbur"b standard hundred ?—Yes. Are they frequently sold by that measure ?—Deals under twenty feet are so. Are the shorter deals sold by that measure ?—All deals under twenty feet. That is a cubic measure, is it nut ?—lt amounts to the same ; it is a fixed measure. You have stated that a considerable quantity of Timber has been imported into this country from the United States of America through Canada; does not that importation afford to the people of the United States of .Ainerica, considerabl e facilities in paying their debts for British Manufactures The same as ti e unpna from Pent is affords _to L-rtisnf ost means of paying the debts they owe us, for the +, Slanufactuild ,they take from us. From what part of the United States is that Thither OP; posed to color, which is Said 10 be importe4 through Ca nad 3. —I cannot exactly state. Does it come from the countries bordering on the Lakes?" Certainly, part f it does. And upon the / rivers that fall into the St. Lawrenc e Some of it conies along the coast. r Does the larger quantity come along the coast, or o'oo countries on the Lakes :—I. have not . had the means of ascei taining. f thg Are you of opinion, that the importation of Timber ° - ,„0 United States through Canada, has taken place chiefly the encotiragement afforded by the increased duties imPo se o uptiti Timber front the North, or that it always took placr_o the same proportion ?—I am of opinion that it took 04, since the WO duties upon Foreign Timber; and that it ",, ( been increased he the permission granted in the Orders" 'Council, which fstat cd before, of the-years 1813 and 1 81 - 6 46 You have stated that th e Ca n ada Timber is infqrior t?" 0 Baltic Timber; can you say whether there is any differel; as to the age of the Timber at th e time of ?--I al 3 l`, aware of that; Timber is felled - at diffet. tit periods " growth in all ountries. What sale c C ould the Sohjects of the United States fin°r "1 their Thither in the Countries bordering on the Lakes , l ilt the St. La, 'Titer, if they were not able to export iet" Country afrough Canada ?—ft would certainly check tb Jit means of exporting; they would be confined to the West Colonies of other Ppwers, and to the Countries of the i‘" terranean and Portugal. f What is the average price at present in this Country " i t t limit of Timber, which you have represented as sellioK Memel for twenty-five shillings?—At prescut it Varit fr°,',, 51. It k. to Gl., according to the quality; but if I may be ro mitted to mention, that. from the depressed' state of 01%, e II p•trt Trade of Prussia, the Polish Nlerehants,' who .har e " - t. it) the custom of bringing the produce of Poland to the 1".„1; of Pru)sia, both Timber and Corn, have been at the b rd d of ruin, and a great number of them became bankrupt' year, and a greater untidier would have become so, bail:o the Prussian Government stepped in to assist theta with a of money. - - qi Do' you mean to state that Timber Is•now import loss f—At a - loss lu the Polish Merchant; litit to the. Bri t Merchant so much as to the Polish Merchant; there vOl i c o, variations in the Trade, by which . at times money is O n , t o and at times money is lost, as in every other; 1 state th al, account for its being. supposed that money is lust at this Pt sent moment. • d .rice Whet% you stated twenty five shillings to be the pt• a p 'limber . at Mcmcl, did you 'refer to prime 'l4mber, or average ?—1 mean what is called good middling ro , At the prt,ent market prices in England, is the lull ° ',ion of Timber from the Baltic a gaining or a losing trade' It is not a %cry prohtahle one. • the . - I -ts of the U ou. the subject nit. ,ates be able to other Countries the same species of Timber that th o ;i c o ported to this Country through Canada ?—Not every sP e : t li and not in the same form ; that is, that the tree rrlig` l ol , converted into other dimensions suited to the other inl"" 1 .0 Do you mean that they would be able to export Timbe v ? its heaviest form, with the same facility as through Cal l3l t rf I should think not; but 'limber is imported to this Co o l o more in its unmanufactured state, more in the tree; Wb e ., 1 04 to other Countries it ,is, exported more in a tuaoufact.td state, fit for immediate use, as it is the policy of this CO li t he to encourage the article in its raw state, that we may 11 3 " benefit of. manufacturing it ourselves here. - fo f What sale would the Subjects of the United States 6" el f their Timber growing on the herders of the Lakes, an d ! i s it the St. Lawrence, it they were not permitted to transtw.ro through the medium of the waters flowing through thel s r%,itt Colonies ?—1 airs not aware what facilities.they would bay - f tsr transporting it to Rivers that flow 'down to their own e s & I have not in my mind sufficiently the nature of the Co°,"„) Is not the clearing, the cultivation, and the Colonizatnci the Countries belonging to the United States near the ' - ' - , s •er and the St. Lawrence, very much facilitated by their 1 ) ,% 1 1' of transporting their Timber through Canada. to this try ?—I should conceive it was, as far as that was the o,,V i ct Have you ever been its the North part of the United ' ltt yourself ?—I never have. • • . You cannot say whether the Timber is floated across o t Lake Champlain and doWn the River St. Lawrence ?—^lc all. speak to that. .• Dues the best Prussian Timber grow upon, the Ricers ~/ flow into the Baltic, or those that flow into the Black ,4 - 43. ;' It grows upon the Rivers that flow into the Baltic, Or' laxly the River Bug and Vistula.' pre .You,.liare stated that Timber and some other algid° ta to rn:mrtedduty-free from North Am er ie s i n t o Canaria; Oat those articles are ?—rrom the information I hare , is one of the artic:es ; and. as observed, the impor tati,° jot Grain from Canada is at .present, permitted duty free; 1 4 0 • struck nie, as a subject of importance, whether Grain r e l i it dues go• from the • United States• to Canada - duty-flee ' lt n i x present moment, and can from thence bo• imported- tt' Country; it is a Question I cannot answer myself. s oh Is there any other al tide ?—The 'information I have , • t o e%Prt St The Witness is directed to withdraw. 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