The Sun. — London, England, 1849-06-12 00:00:00

AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. GLOUCESTER. SATURDAY NIGHT.—To-day a very nu mereueirate nded mt , etiree of th 1 eeio ;mere farmers, and etaer inhabitants ef Gleuc , stershire, was held at the Seire in this t ,wn, aJ tike into cen.ideratien the die resit d state of the agricultural interest, and to I determine whet steps should be taken thereon. The Shire Hall, which is calcniated to hold about 3,000 pera ns, was densely crowded, and on the platform we oeserved Earl Ducie, the Marquis of Worcester, M.P. ; Sir Was. Codrington, M.P.; Sir H. Crawley Bower, Grantley Berkeley, Esq., M.P.; Humphrey Brown, Esq., M.P.; the Rev. J. Edwards, the Rev. E. Lyons, Capt. Somer set, D. Bowley, Esq., S. Bowley, Esq., C. B. L. Baker, Esq , E. W. Josephs, Esq., W. Hartland, Esq., W. Allen, Esq., C. Buller, Esq.. &c., &c. On the motion of Mr. GRANTLEY BERKELEY, the High Sheriff of the County, W. Griffiths Price, Esq., Wee called to the chair. The UNDER-SHERIFF having read the requisition con vening the meeting, The CHAIRMAN briefly opened the business. He said, that a heavy amount of distress weighed down the agri cultural as well as the manufacturing interests nobody could doubt, though there might be a difference of opinion as to the mode of alleviating that distress.— (Cries of "You are a Free Trader.") He was not geing to .expreas his own opinion on that occasion, but he begged that a fair and impartial hearing should be given to all the speakers, whatever their opinions might be—(Applause)—and should that not be the case, a legitimate inference might fairly be drawn against those who opposed such a fair expression of opinion, that they were afraid of herring the truth. The Chair man then read le,ters from Viscount Camden, the Duke of Beaufort, Lord Redesdale, Lord Dynevor, Sir M. Beech, and other gentlemen, expressing their regret at being unable to attend. Mr. PETER MATTHEWS. a tenant-farmer, came for ward, amidst loud cheers, to propose the first resolution. All the farmers wanted was eqUal-handed justice. They were not going to Parliament pining and whining, but to demand their rights. They wanted to give a fair day's wages for a fair day's work. In 1842 the poor-rate in his neighbourhood was, for the half year ending in March, 4,3701., and the price of corn 475. per quarter ; at the last half-year the poor rate was 5,390/., and the price of corn was 30s. per quarter.—(Cries of 325.) The provisions were now up wards of 40 per cent. cheaper, and the poor-rates 30 per cent. higher. That was the effect of free trade.—(Uproar, and, tries of " Nonsense.") The speaker here proceeded to re*d extracts from speeches of Sir Hubert Peel, delivered pr'.or to intro becing his free-trade measures, to show the tisedvantage of free trade. Sir R. Peel admitted that the farmers were overtaxed, and yet he afterwards put the property tax on them.—(Cries of " Serve you right.") After opposing free trade Sir R. Peel sold the farmers to free-traders.—(Uproar.) What had Government done since that time? They had not taken off any taxes, and it therefere became their duty to demand cheap go vet nment.—(lmmense applause.) There must not be luxury to the idle, and slavery to the indus trious. And if they were to have free trade in corn, they must have cheap government. They must com mence at the root of t-e tree, and reduce the allow ances of the Queen, Prince Albert, and the Ministers of Sate. All sinecures and useless offices must be abolished. Their local taxation was always increasing, and they lately had sad lied on them a police, which cost him more in a year than had ever been stolen from him in thirty years. Then, again. there were expensive gaols, in which the prisoners were so well fed as to give a premium to poor labourers to commit crime. The fundhelder paid no portion of this taxation. The manufacturer doing business to the extent of 80,000/., and employing 800 or 1,000 men, did nut pay local taxation equel to the termer rented at 800/. a year.—(" On, oh," and uproar.) And then, when they did not want their hands, they turned them off to be kept by the farmers .—(Cries of "False, false," and uproar.) They were told that they must call in science to improve their farming, but they must leave off improvements if they got no remuneration. Glou cestershire was celebrated for improvements, and Earl Ducie set up a farm for himself to try those im provements, and took part in a farce at Covent garden Theatre, called " Gammoning the Farmers," and said wheat could be grown at 3s. 6d. a bushel. Now they did not hear much of that farm now, and the balance-sheet had not been produced. Then there were the scientific farmers at Cirencester Col lege, the London shopkeepers, and others, who bad tried farming in Gloucestershire, when wheat was at seven shillings per bushel, and failed ; and yet the poor clay-headed farmers, as they were called, were expected to carry on their terms when wheat was only five shillings per bushel. Now he found that manu facturers had some protection; ten per cent. on cotton, ten per cent. on *ilk , fifteen per cent. on velvets, &c. If they were to have free trade in corn they ought to have free trade in everything, with great re redactions in rent and taxation, or they could not go on. Pa liament refused t listen to them, and if they con tinusd in their preseat course they must wait on the Queen 100,000 strong, and telling her that the Ministers were ruining the best streng,h of the country, call upon her to dismiss them, and call to her councils men who would pursue a system of government which would give the people employment. The speaker concluded by moving a resolution, to the effect that extreme distress prevailed among all classes connected with agriculture in this country. Mr. DAVID BOWLEY seconded the motion. Tne resolution was then put, and declared. to have been carried, amidst huzzeing and clapping of hands. Mr. J. KEARSHLW moved the second resolution— " Thet the distress coul I only be attributed to the effects nt recent legislation, which 1.-ft the occupier of land to b tar a larger sb ire of local and general taxation than other classes—(("h ers, and cries of No')—though it 1-47 him op-n to competition from the foreigi.r." It they cealif put their taxation upon a footing, wi . b that of the c intieent, they could cemp•te with the whole of the werld.—(Cheers.) Distress q tally existed in the manufacturing and agricultural disi rites; but the menu facturers employed women and children, while the tar mere employed able-bodied men.—(Cheers.) The far mers never employed people with iut having The money to pay them, while the manufacturers paid 3s. or 44. in the pound. time after time, and went on as before. — (Hear.) He maintained that they must have an equali sation of taxes, or they must all be ruined.—(Cheers, and cries of " Oh. oh.") Mr. 0. F. Osseow seconded the resolution. Earl Deem then came forward amidst the loud st cheering and uproar. The meeting had been convened to take into eon-iiteration the cause of agricultural dis tress. He had never heard of the requisition tilt he sew it advertised, though he would hive signed it whh pleasure.—(Cheers.) Those who knew him cou/ii hardly suppese that he did not feel for the sufferings of his fellow-men. He had nut been invited to the meeting, but he had come lest resolutions should be proposed to which he ceuld not assent--(Cneers.) Farmers were very susceptible people—they were easily elevated and easily depressed.—(Cheers and uproar.) Oil, he was in good temper, and he would try to put them in one also.—(Cheers.) One day a few years since he went into an agricultural district to have his hair cut, and the barber said that he appeared to be better than usual. He asked him on what he grounded his opinion, and he replied because his (Lord Ducie's) hair was so crisp. He said that he cut the hair of a good many farmers, and he could always tell the state of the market by it. When the market was bad their hair was quite limp, but when the market was good their hair was beautifully crisp. That proved their susceptibility. Well, knowing how susceptible the farmers were, he thought they might be misled by tarty leaders, if he did not attend to warn theta of their position. They were led in 1841 to reject a fixed duty, which was then preposed.—(Criee of "Sold.") Well. if they liked it better, they were sold in 1841 by parties who induced them to reject a fixed duty, in order not to benefit the farmers, but to step into the shoes of the Ministers. It was a comfortable position to be placed in, to find that in moving an amendment one had nothing to say against the previous speakers ; in fact, the first two were the jolliest free-traders he ever heard. He was now abut to move an amendment to the re solution before them, because it attributed the dis tress to the repeal of the corn-laws.—(Cries of " No, no.") Then, w hat did " recent legislation ' znean Now, Mr. Matthews complained of the want of cheap government. So did he. That gentleman wanted to have a reduction in local rates. Se did he. Well, to do that, they ought to petition in favour of Mr. Hume's 8,1 l for joining the ratepayers with the magistrates in their government. Then Mr. Matthews wis against church-rates. So was he.—(Appl ,u , e.) They said that the present distress was owing to the corn-lawn of three months old —("Oh, oh," " False," and a cry of " Three years.") Three )vane why, they had had corn at 105 a. within that period. The real cause of the distress was the bad crop, and infamous quality of last year.—(Cries of "False, false!" "Oh, oh!") Why, good corn was now worth 50.;.—(Cries of "False, false, we cannot get it.") They had no good corn to sell. He was talking to NE. Guizot the other day about the anarchy and rerolu. lion existing on the Continent, and that great man had saul, that it' they had not removed that mon ster grievance, the corn-laws, this country would have been in as bad a state as any other. Now, it the corn laws had not been repeal. d, and they had been forced to feed the poled:Aden on their own damp and unwho!e some wheat of last year, they would have been subject , - d to the cholera.—(Cheers, uproar, and tries of " Nonsense, and the cholera is not here.") The chclera had been ravaging, the Continent, and the seeds of it were in Eng• land, aye, even in that town, and that heel would have made it worse.—(Uproar, cries of " Question," &e.) lie begged to conclude by moving his amendment—viz , Thet this meeting regrets the depression under which the agricultural interest is lab Raring; but believing that it will revive with the general improvement of trade and commerce, has only to express its gratitude to God for the continued peace and security this country has enjoyed, and the present prospects of an abundant barveet, so essential to the general prosperity of the j cauntry." .`fr. SAMUEL Bowlxv rase to second the ananndment. lle could not understand why the question could not be discussed in quietness, as the interests of all par ties were equally concerned. Could any one sup• pose that the country could have gone through the revul•iun it had without occasionit , considerable dis lr,ss? The tradesman had suffered in his profits, the iman'iiile:urPr had suffered, the railway speculator had %v,.;1, it must ba felt through all classes, and tLe farmer could not Qxpoet to escape. If the farmers were in sash miserable distress as they stated, it must have been brought upon them by protection. Well, as free trade had only existed three or four mouths, if that had caused them to lose all their money they must have had but very little to lose. N ow what *Ss protection to do? Was it to raise the price of corn? —(Cries of "Yes.") We!l, if a man had 9s. a week, hebad to pay 6s. a wee k f o r bread, and if the price of corn was raised one- fifth, it would tax the poor man to the extent of 3/. 2s. 4d. per annum. If a gentleman had 1,0'004 a year, he generally only spent 1.40 th for bread, tki a THE STTN, LONDON, AUSTRIA. VIENNA.—On the morning of the sth a great military !stivu.i ruok place on :he Borg Piafx Several the 31 JJger and the Cuiras,ier Regiment, Prince reel: ived the medal of valour, i4hich wa, affixed by the Emperor to the breast of each so.dier guished, tae gift being accompanied with a few words ut eticonrivinent and thanks. The Einperor was as usual received with great en thusi. sin b;, the people. In his Majes y's suite was the new of War, Field-Marshal Count Gyulai. Field-Marshal Gallas departed on Tuesday for Tran sylvania, in which province he is to undertake the com mand in chief. Ha will travel via Belgrade to the place of his destination. According to letters from Venice, all the foreign legions at that place refused to fight against the Imperial troops. The Venetians seem to have lost all hopes, and the negotiations will probably scot) have a favourable termination. which was about 25/., or a tax of about 51, as compared with the poor man's U. 2s. 4d., whereat:, to be gird to the tax of the poor man, it ought to be 1531. 3.;, 9:1. N., , v as to their saytii that they did not send out their reanufac!..urt , s for corn. he wi , iheti to k:low whether gold was pr,duced in thi4 c,un:ry, and if it wa. not, how di i th,, , y get it exc.v. in xchange for their uPinu ftet.ires? They w,•re told tht.r. free trade would ruin the agriculturist, but they had heard the same prognos tics with regard to other trades, and they failtd. It: the manufacturers of cloth carried on their trade iu the same bungling way as the farmers did the raising of corn.—(Uproar, cheers, and cries of " Turn him out," which lasted some minutes.) Mr. ONsLow called upon the meeting to hear Mr. Bowley. Mr. BOWLEY was afraid he had spoken too plainly.— (Renewed uproar.) He could not understand what they were hissing at.—(Uproar, and cries of " Go on!" , " Don't be four hound"—" Let's have fair plat !") He did not mind a sentiment being objected to; but if he was stating anything that was untrue and foolish, the better it was for those who opposed him. In stead of the country laying out so much menu in railways, which would only give them two or three per cent., it would have been better laid out on the land at five per cent. He knew tenant farmers who would gladly pay that amount for money to improve their farm.. The landlords should do this inatead ef keeping farms merely to create political voters to he driven to the p (Cheers.) Let them carry out free trade to the full, and get security for the tenant. end they might be all h-tppy and contented together.—(Cheers ) Mr. GRANTLEY BERKELEY, SLY., as a colonial pro prietor, said that their in, ere-t had been! , ailing a forlorn hone against free trade f,r some time. He did mot com plain of free trace, but he centended, that before it was ever introduced the Ministers ought to hare made a general and great reduction of taxation both the colonies and England ought to have been put into preparation for the change. If there had been a reduction of the malt tax, and the expai diture of the country modified, they weak! have been prepared to have given a fair trial to free trade. He did not think that free trade was yet half felt in its effects, or that the farmers had discharged hale the la bourers they would have to do. There must be a great reduction in taxes and expenditure before they could compete with Russia and other countries. Mr. Cobden was fated in foreign countries because the cunning foreigner was aware that England was nut pre pared to compete with foreign countries in the mlrk,t be had opened. If they were to continue in the pre sent system he advised the tenant farmers to strike for a reduction of rents, that the rich mart might feel the effects of free trade as well as the poor, and by that means, and that only, they would raise a party, both in the Lords and Com mons, who would compel the Government to make a reduction in taxation. The manufacturing arid agri ! cultural interests must stand and fall together, and that had always been his opinion. He could not agree with the amendment of the Noble Lord, because it did not Jude to the fact that the Government hal not prepared the country for free trade measures by a reduction in taxation. He positively denied that the farmers were lightly depressed at the present time. He wondered the Noble Lord did not go on with his barber simile, and compare the present circumstances under which agriculture suffered to the shaving of the ladies." He called upon the meeting to adopt such resolutions as would restore to old England that upright, honest, and merry name she had ll:Arlen° delighted in. The Honourable Gentleman concluded by moving. as an amendment, " Tnat the tress felt by the agricultural interest was chi , fly attri butable to the non-introduction of a system or revised taxation, which would have secured a fair trial to the principle of free-trade, and rendered it a benefit to the people." Sir W. CODRINGTON, M.P., then presented himself amid loud cheers. Nobody regretted more than he did the necessity for that meeting, and he highly approved of the original resolution tnen before them. He thought that all taxes pressing on the farmers ought to be removed, and thus free trade might have a chance ; but under existing circumstances it was impuseible to compete with the foreigner.—(Cheers.) The Marquis of WORCESTER, who was also received with loud cheers, supported the original resolution, and contended that the opinion of M. Guizat, with regard to the government of this country, was not worth much, seeir.g that he could not govern his own country. Mr. HUMPHREY BROWN, M.P., seconded the amend ' ment of Mr. Grentley Berkeley. He had always been a free-trader, and he hoped he should see the system car ried fully out among all cla,ses of the community. Under a system of protection they had had Committees to inquire into agricultural distress both in 1821 and 1839, and in neither instance could they come to any de termination on the subject fur its relief; Lord DUCIE hiving withdrawn his amendment in favour of that of Mr. Grautley Berkeley, The question was put, when the show of hands ap peared to us to be as nearly as possible equally divided, taut The CHAIRMAN, after consulting with other gentle men, declared the amendment to be negativA, a r,sult which was received with loud cheers and counter cheers. 'fiv. original motion was thin put and carried. R• solutions having be' n passed, pledging the meeting to use every effort in endeavouring to obtain an altera. Limn in the present system, p. titions were adopted to both Houses of Parliament, in ace .rdance with the resolutions; and thanks being •oted to the Chairman, the meeting separated. EXAMINATION FOR THE ER CIIANT SERVICE. A Lit of the Musters aid Mates in the Morehin Service who have voluntarily pls.eti an fxitnina , ion and obtain( d certificutes of qualification for !he class agsin.t t ach ass geed, ut,der the regulations issued by the Board of Trade since 30+h April last. M AS I'ERS. FIRST CIASS.—Jihn Nixon, David Balderston, Mat thew Cr twtord, John n, Robert Steels, rhoinas William Sawyer, Gilbert Sc,itt Msrshall, Daniel Heat ley Birne<, L-wis Baton, Frederik Satiila (extra) FR RI as ‘Villimnsoa Hall, Thomas Dunn. James B Lird, Jam .3 Jao3`.4 Brown, Andrew Ch, ue, John Ogilvie, James Wlite, Cecil Mackintosh Stephenson (extra). I leery Coriass, Robert Mill, r. SECOND CLASS.— Arthur Parker Turner, William Taylor, Samuel Radford Thomas, William Henry Bent, James Hay, William Deane, William Edward Ward Griggs, James Brack, James Raitr, James Budge, Angus . •" „ . _ tug Bergh, Charles litany, Edward Pigon, Ge i. Skinner, ( Alfred :Matson Cit ve'and, J ihn Hor ,tio Woodhatn, Robt. l'homps in, John Jardine, St. phew Retcher Scan more, L,urence William Vail', Alex Ader Strachan, Richard James Reynolds. Hugh Ross, John Thonass Jones. li , r ben Hildretb, Henry Denny, Charles Gordon, Thomas Chaplin, Peter Brown, Edward Duncan, William Dun das Cloete, John Henry Travi-rs, Thomas Humphris. Fleury Archbold, Robert Gleacow, Robert Carter Hu'chings, John Armon, :Michael Youeg, Charles H ) nr, Frederick Arrow, William Spencer, Hugh Macmeikan, David Gray. THIRD CLass.—Thomas Clarkson, Thomas Watson, Thomas Rawe, Richard Henry Barnes, Thomas Preist, John Edward Philpor, *E tor Child, James Furnell, John Tinn, Martin Wlntyre, Thomas Gray, James Connell, Samuel Evans Smith. MATES. SECOND CLASS.—.John Charles Ahnond, Arthur ThornAs aillas, John Wilson, Arthur Kingsford, Jan Venables. THIRD CLAM—John White, Francis Hayes, John George Th..rnas, *Charles Henry Treweeke. * Qualified •or steam vessels only. Board of Trade, Whitehall, June 7. SPORTING. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. `• M n's judgments are A parcel of their turtunt•s:9—SHAKSPERE. SIR,—My judgment w tolerably correct on most of the stakes run for at the right royal meeting on the Heath of Ascot just pass, d away, but particularly so on the race for the imperial gift of the Emperor of all the liiissias, for in my obstrvations on this race, published on the 22d ultimo, I placed Van Tromp first, Chanticleer second, and Cossack third. exactly the order in which they passed the judge's chair; the struggle between " the grey" and " Vali " was int,•nsely exciting, the lat ter winning by sheer gameness by half a length. Cos sack was well up, being beaten a short length from •• the grey," and having only a neck the advantage of Col Kingwood. The Ascot Triennial Stakes riddle I cannot solve iturneo's victory over Nunnykirk, Honeycomb, Osterloy, Elthinn, Vatican, and Hotspur, completely sets at defiance all my calculations Of one thing lam con vinced, that Borneo is superior to Hotspur, the acci dental s.co-id of the Derby, but decidedly inferior to Nunnykirk and Honeycomb, whom be, however, by some extraordinary means managed to defeat easily enough on Tuesday last. — AII. Dixon's Blarney, by Mulatto, or Bsllinkeele,out of BohNntenne, by C. nfederate, made a trium p h a n t debit, by defeating th e " Derb y p re mier , " by a neek for the New Stakes; L irl Chesterfield's Penang, on l y succumbing by a head to William the Conqueror fur second place; all three will figure prominently in the Derby market, but are in my opinion at the present time, not good enough to do the " deed of note," next year. For the Derby of 1850 my fancy pnints to Pongex, by Touchstone, out of Crucifix, by Priam; and The Italian, by Touchstone, out of Florence, as the most dangerous nags to be against; but the following lot, one and all, will mike a noise before the day, viz., Sidus, St. John, Blarney, William the Conqueror, Witch craft, Penang, Sergius, Compass, GNillie Callum, Decoy colt, Windbqund, Crossbow, The Bat, Hardinge, Stingo, colt by Ballinkeele, Earl of Strathmore, Flare-up, and the Knight of Avenel. The present week contains two meetings of but little note, Hampton and Newton. At the former, on Wednes day next will be run the Surrey and Middlesex Stakes, which has an acceptance of eight, and will probably hare six starters, with either Durdans or ChicA, fu winner, the Dark Lady 13 , Ang close up ; and on Thurar day the Clarem.nt Stakes for two years old, which ought to be won by itoyal Hart or Ballet Girl. Mr. Green is in iininen,;o force at Newton, it is just "on the cards," he may win the Golon,ine Stakes with the Seignor of Hulderness ; the G ,Id Cup with Swiss Boy or Westow ; the Borough Cup v%ir,h Westow ,• and the St. Leger Stakes with Garrick; the last named the most improbable, as Strongbow and Magician figure I in the race. Duxbury will be very forward in the race for the Golll,rne Stakes, and will in all probability win the Drawing Room Stakes. I am, Sir, yours, &c., THE OF THE TURF. June 11,1849. HUNGARY. On the 3.1 June 17,000 Russians entered Presburg from T)rnau. They came at the right time, for the Austrians have again had a defeat at Boas. At 0 len burg also there has been a severe engagement. After hard fighting and considerable losses on both sides, it terminated with the retreat of the Austrians. The force of the Hungarians at the Upper Danube, and the Waag is very much greater than it was, as the 30,000 to 40,000 men who have been rendered disposable by the conquest of then hays reinforced th., line. Georgey has seat 8,000 b) the south against Jellachich; he hitnielt coal mines on the right bank of the Danube, and has his head criattcrs at Rash. It is not definitively fixed th it a strong division of Russians, consisting chiefly of cavalry, is to operate on the right bank of the Danube. During the last few thys great numbers of wounded have been brought to Vienna, probably in consequence of the eng:,getuents on the Waag and at Odenburg. All the military as well as the private h.;spi • tals and houses which have been conv , Tted into military hospitals are full to overfl 'wing, and there is no more room t stow either the wounded or the sick. lii the south the Austrians are advancing in good earnest. Ou the 30th of May Jellichich was at Semlim, nevertheless the .thigyars continued to be victorious every where, even Perlsz is again in their hands. Count Gyulai is said to have brought with him from Trieste the intelligence that Radetzky is only waiting for the fill of Venice in order to take the command in chief of the army operat ing in Hungary. He will be assisted, as chief of the ' general s , aff, by Baron lies-. The Ban will command the corps d'armee in the south, and B iron Haynau in the north. Field Marshal Schonhals has alre irly received orders to V.ike the command of the army in Daly. Respecting the Russian intervention, everything con tinues as va..:ue as it wa.t. On this subject the Lloyd says—" Tne Imperi4l Russian General, Luders, received an order from St. Petershurgh on the 4th of May, to make an irruption into Transylvania with 24 regiments of Intantry. 1 of Jagt-rs, 2 of Schlaves, and 4 of Cos sacks, and 12 batteries of - artillery." It is, therefore, beyond doubt that these Russia❑ troops must long ere this have b.,en nn Transylvania soil. The I'osen Ust Zeituv contains some striking obser vations respecting the Russian intervention; it says— '• According to th- nri ; ginal treaty between the Austrian and Russian Cabinets, the latt-r power agreed-- That a Russian corps should enter Transylvsnia, Moldavia, and drive out the Hungarians, take possession of the country, and crush the enemy's ItIOVY went in favour or the Hung irians. 2. That a second corps should occupy Cracow and Galicia, and Nic , , also put down or prevent every at tempt at insurrection, &c. 3. That a third corps should combine with the Austrian army, and take an active part in the war against the Hungarians. Solve that time, however, the views of the Emperor of Russia, have undergone some changes, in consequence of the announcements of Eng land and the change of politic.a opinions in France, he has determined to give the proiniseli aid, only to such an extent as appears indispensable to the security ot Russia ittel., namely by the occupation of Cracow,Gahcia, and, if requisite, the not yet insurrectionary parts of Aus na, to order to check the progress of insurrecti , in and the encroachments of the fiun;,-, , arians, thereby enabling Austria to turn her entire military force against Hun gary. The Emperor is said to have been induced to this resolve, nut merely by the actual state of the kingdom of Poland, but by the pet: veiling sentiments of the Russuin army and of the interior of his kingdom, which have caused his serious apprehension, and led him to deprecate any European war which might natur ally result from his too active participation in the war against Hungary. CENTRAL CitIMINAL COURT. Charles Woolf, Richard Pridmore, and Thomas Utley surrend,red yesterday to take their trial for misde m-arour. Mr. Clarkson and Mr. B illantine conducted the prose cation, and Mr. Parry was for the defence. Mr. CLARKSON, iu opening the case, said that the mis demeanour imputed to the defendants was, that they had kept and maintained an establishment called the Wal halla, in Leices.er•square, for the purpose of public mu-iic and dancing, without a lick-nce, and by so doing; tiad rendered themselves amenable to the charge o keeping a disorderly house, which amounted to a misdi-- meii.nour. The prosi•cution was brought forward, nomi nally, by a person named Stowell, of whom they had all probably heard, :Ind they were no d.rubt aware that he was a common in orin , r; but he would alma that the real prosr:cutors were persons who felt or believed that the) were ihjurrd in thrrir own busin,s6by e3tab;ishments t)f this riescriptiin.and he jury would therelbre stand the motives with which the proceeding was instituted, It appeared that Stowell got at the tact that Pridmore was the proprietor by breaking some glasses, and Prid inure avowed himselt in that capacity when the damage was invest , gsted before a magi.trate. Ile Walhalla, he beiieved, was now closed, and had be,sr, so tor some time, and the object sought to be obtained on the pre s-it occasion was to establish the fact of the illegality of the proceedings that had taken place there in order to prevent a renewal or them. The evidence that he should lay be!ore them would establish the facts that public music and dancing to.,k place at the Walhalla in the months of December and January last, and that the defendants acted in the management or the proceedings, that Woolf supplied refreshments, ar.d that Ottey, who was a free vintner, provided wine for the company - ; and with regard to Pridelore, he should not only show th he was continually present, but that he ha I also admitted that he was the owner of the premises. The Learned Counsel having referred to the Act of Parliament of the 25th George IL, u der which the indictment had been preferred, said that if ha should establish the !act that pu:;lic music and dancing took place at the establishment in question, without a licence, it would constitute it adisord.-rly house within th►s terms of the statute; and if it was shown that the defendants took a part in the management of tne concern, it would render them amenable to the pre, sent eharg,.. The RECORDER asked the Le arned Counsel what pun ishment he understood to be applicable to the offence? Mr. BALLANTINE said he supposed the ordinary com mon law punishment of fine and imprisonment, which was generally awarded for the ounce of keeping a dis orderly house. In the present case, the objet was not to inflict any punishment upon the defendants, but to obtain the opinion of the Court with regard to the law. The RECORDER said he did nut remember such an indictment as this having been preferred before. There had been several actions for penalties, but they had mostly failed. It was the 100/. penalty which generally set informers in motion; but here it was alleged that the indictment was preferred solely upon public grounds. James Peachey, who descrihed himself as having been formerly a clothes salesman, was then examined. He stated, that he went to the Walhalla upon two occasions, and each time paid Is. for admission. The first time he went was on the 2d of January, when he saw about 150 persons present. There was music and dancing going on upon both occasions. He saw Pridmore and Woolf}' each time. The latter was in the refreshment room, and Primore appeared to be superintending. The words " Thomas Ottey, free vintner," were over the door, and Pridiaore's name was by the side of a bell belonging to the hothe. Sowell was present up ►n one of the occa sions, and he broke some glasses, and was given in charge by Pridmore, and when the matter was investigated by the malisirate Pridmore represented himself to be the proprietor of the establishment. By Mr. PARRY—Stowell was fined 28s. as the value of the glasses he had broken. Witness was paid by Siowell for attending the Walhalla and giving his evidence, and he had rec , ived 10/. ►rom him at different times. He had only lad three intormations of this description since Christmas. In one case two of the defendants pleaded guilty, and entered into recognisances nut to commit the offence again. Mr. BALLANTINE said this was all that was required now. The RECORDER irtd:g,emnwi::endt. compromised ? The witness said not one had been were put by w as on th ev e e n ry gi e v v e .. n hi t h o g, sh a r d that music and view to show that many . of the females speak to the the Counsel for the prosecution, with a s w o h m o e w er e : e a io r n e- s were loose characters, but the witnesses could not to be shown that the hou se sent was merely " disorderly" accordi y ug to Act l of know whether it was desired b e w l i a e s v e d d i s t o h r e d r e e r l w a i s n n f fact, t or The —AN(TAmlaEusgahi.d) he s e RECORDER wished t o whether it w improper man- P ti m r 1 i r i . l M B e A nL. illegal; pre tence that the house was conducted in an ner. All they said was that the proceedig wa3. sad if his Lordship entertained the same opinion, it would no doubt put a stop to it. Some evidence was t hen g iven to show that the de pastry to the Walhalla, a n d thatf e de fend, d a h n e t , Mr. Drew, a clerk k t the office of the clerk of the hWacl°e°tiltrgageda niter. suppliedis- peace for Middlesex, proved that the Walhalla had nut been licensed by the magistrates as a place for publi c 1 music and dancing. The RECORDER w ished to know whether rooms or places where c-risin balls were held were considered to be subject to a license. Mr. 13ALLANT/NE said that the Hanover square rooms alw , ys ha i a licei.ce , Mr. PARRY said that in the ease of a dancing master, who occasionally gave public balls in his own rooms, Lord Ellenborough decided that a licence was not ne cessary. Mr. BALLANTINE said the distinction was a place "kept" fur the purpose. This was the case for the prosecution. The RECORDER said it appeared to him that the evi dence ugainst Wolff and Ottey was so very slight that tie did nut think they ou;lat to be called upon for their defence. • Mr. PARRY then addressed the jury for the defendant Pridmore; and he contended that the evidence was not soffi:iit ut to justify them in finding that person guilty k e eping and maintaining the tiowti in question. The ItteottDEß, in surninteg ty, said he had felt upon to dt.i2ide that this ;Awe of amuse mi-nt was of suca a el - oiranter tt re(l - ,iirA liCantie, and having one it came within the d- - ,linition of a (Ls orderly house, and tho only qaestion ilLtt reiinc.l \vas, whither the defendant Pridinore hail bean proved to have taken any share in the management of teeorcerti. It appeared to him that the evidenc to that pint w ,, tild have been very slight but for the artifice that hid be n resorted to by Stowell, the prosecutor, in breaking the glass, which had had the effect of compelling the de, fendant to come forward and avow himself to be the owner of the property. If the jury were satisfied with such evidence, although they might feel that the de fendant had not been guilty of any tu ,, ral offence, it would be their duty to return a verdict of guilty, but if they considered the evidence unsidisfactory, it would be equally their duty to say that the defendant was not guilty. he jury, after deliberating for some time, said they felt compelled to return a verdict of Guilty; but at the same time stated, that although thry could not help coming to the conclusion that the establishment in ques tiim came within the provisions of the Act of Parlia ment, there was no ground for believing that it had in any way been improperly conducted; and they therefore desired to recommend the detendant to the favourable consideration of the Court. A verdict,of Nut Guilty was then recorded with regard to Ottey and Woolf. and Pridmore was ordered to enter into hi* own recognizance in 40/., with two sureties in 201. each, to appear and receive toe judgment of the Court, if he should be required to do so. Li another cit,se of a similar description against a per son named Boteler, Mr. CLARKSON said he should with draw the proseeutio,i, and a verdict of Not Guilty was accurdiligly returned. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, June 11. Their Lordships assembled at Five o'clock. DEFECTS IN LEASES BILL. On the m of Lord CAMPBELL, this Bill was read a third time and passed. 13ANKRUPTCY LAW CONSOLIDATION BILL. Lord BROUGHAM said their Lordships were aware of the unanimity with which this Bill had been passed, and that the Lord Chancellor had signified in writing his approval of the Bill, and that the Noble Marquis, the President ot the Council, had expressed the approval and support of the Government, but their Lordships were not aware of the great exertions made by the clerk at the table to send the Bill to the House of Commons. Seven teen additional clerks were employed, and the Bill, by unexampled diligence was sent down to the other House Friday. All understood the infinite importance of not losing a nay at the present period of the session. The Bill went down on Friday to the other House, but it was not read a first time on Friday, and it was a matter ot courtesy to read a Bill the first time so soon us it way sent down. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE—It was read a first time this afternoon. Lord BROUGHAM replied that his Noble Friend faucted he had said a very clever thing, but he never was more mistaken. His complaint was that it had been read a first time to-day. He had never doubted that it would be read a first time to-day, and that it would have been without this additional labour of clerks; and complained that there must be some underhand opposi tion to this Bill. There must be something wrong some where. He had heard that it had been said it was a mass of jobs. Never was there a more unfounded accusation. There were no additional salarie , , there were no compen sations ; and if these low, discredit rble proceeding., w. re to be tolerated, there would be no chance of this Hill, upon which the mercantile cammunity had set then neart, passing this session. It was not his fault that the all had not gone down earlier. He had all the particular in his possession as to whose fault it was that this Btli did not pass earlier this session. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was confident that, Kith regard to this omission, no blame attached to the G it/eminent. LEASEHOLD TENURE OF LAND BILL. Lard CAMPBELL moved the In' ro , luction of clauses int) this Bill pre.urvo . g to the Irish Society the power which they at present enjo) ed ; and after the clauses .hould have been pricted, be would give notice of the day o❑ which he tk ould move the third reading of the Bill. After a few worth from Lord BROUGHAM and Lord REDESDALE, the motion for printing the clauses was agreed to. TURNPIKE TRUSTS UNION BILL. This Bill passed through Committee. YE fITIONS. The Bishop of NORWICH presented several petitions in favour of the Bill for the Better Protection of Women. The Earl of ST. GERMANS presented a petition from Mr. Goldsworthy Gurney, praying fur the adoption of more effectual measures for the ventilation of, and fur mines. ntit il le e d to the was no occasion for him to dwell on the interest and of importance of this subject, for their Lordships knew well thatmi h most s p t ira s ec e vt r es io ll u i o s onw c consideration i o i n i k, li ; ns t a it c oa l elr pet i ti on Lordships. There how essential it was to the wealth and to the comfort of the inhabitants of this country tbatcoal should be raised withthe least possible waste and cost. The accidents which happened so frequently in our cod mines arose from the presence of obnoxious gases, and the question for con sideration was as to the best mede of remedying them. In the year 1847 there were 623 persons kited and 196 severely wounded by explosions in coal mines, whilst, in 1848, there wsre 446 persons killed and 158 disab!ed for lde. In 1835 a Committee had been appointed by the House of Commons to examine into the extent and to investigate into the causes of these accidents in coal mines, and also to devise and consider the remedies best calculated to secure the lives of the per sons emp'oy ed in them. That Committee colLcted a large body of in ormation from scientific and practical men, but did not recommend any sufficient remedial measure. Mr. Gurney gave evidence theperfect before erft v th en at taon o committ ee, ftwines. an and Pln his plan fo Committee expressed a h ope t h at some measure of etlx he atii d kind would be adopted, whereby the object for which they were assembled would be accomplished. No practical measure followed the sittings of that Committee, and matters remained - in the same state until a fearful explosion took place in the neighbourhood of South Shields. Then a meeting was held in that town, and a local committee was appointed, consisting of scientific and practical men residing in the neighbourhood of that town . It sat at different times fur a period of three years, considering and discussing various m, asures for the prevention aril remedy of such disasters. He then held in his baud their report, and a more valuable document, in his opinion, never was published. He would not read it to their Lordships, bu , ., woull scenes ietopt o eat misery of merely state that it contained a very grap hi c d eser i p• lion of the thew h hi e ch one of th,sa different tisk, great s p e i gasesies ut' n eXa of in g ter rible catastrophes eccasiuned.—(H ear. ) T he members min au 1 oke damp, the after damp, and the various other in c id ents w hi ch exposed the m i ner , to grea t er d angers than any other set of wok men engaged in industrial p ursu i ts. They had also ex amined the different means ernOuyed for th e prot,cti-n thatand describingc anal )rpt zht i e zing the hadr e of the life of the miner, and describ,al the different safety-lamps which were now used in different mines. l'hey showed that the best lamps were insufficient for the purposes for which they were iutended, and in cer tain co editions of the atmosphere increased rather than diminished the danger. They then proceeded to point out for adoption the plan for the ventilation of mines which Mr. Goldsworthy Gurney had described minutely in his evidence before the Committee of the House of Commons iu 1835. They had also called on that gen tlemin for further explanation; and the conclusion at which the South Shields committee arrived on hear ing the further explanation of his plan for ventilation by high steam-pressure was, that it was sufficient for the purpose for which it eas intended. Notwith standing the recommendation of that committee, nothing was done to carry it into effect till last year, when two eminent scientific men, Sir H. de la Beche and Dr. Piayfair, were appointed by Government to examine into the accidents in coal mines. They, too, were of opinion that an imerosed system of ventilation was re quired in the coal min-s. lii the year 1848 a Mr, Foster, who was connected with the Seaton Del alai Col- cry, saw in London some experiments on the high steam-pressure principle, which appeared to him to be applicable for the ventilation of muses and building.. He put himself immediately into communication with Mr. Goldswor.hy Gurney, and in con-equence estab lished his machinery in the Seaton Delavai Colliery. He held in his hand a letter to the editer of a Gateshead paper, written by this Mr. Foster, who happened to be the viewer of the Seaton Delaval Colliery, and in that letter he made the plan of Mr. Gurney quite inteili gible, and described it as perfectly successrul. At that time he stated that there was an increase of fifty per cent. in the ventilating power as compared with the old power, and since that period that increase had been rais , dto a hundred per c nt. An incidental ad vantage, nut contemplated by the inventor, had also been gained by this machinery. A colliery in the neighbour hood of Manch: ster was on fire. Formerly there was no mode of extinguishing it except by pumping in water in a considerable quantity and by pumping it out twain afterwards—an operatioe of so tie labour and con• srderable expense. Mr. Darlington, the proprietor of that colliery, having heard of Mr. Goldsworthy Gur ney's experiments, applied to him in writing to come down and extinguish that fire. Mr. Gurney, in reply, told him that he had no doubt that carbonic acid gas could be driven through the mine tien s d4 o .ti a ni s ti t de i w e ia x or t ue i l n dd g t u rhi t oa s t h t further observe the fire. Mr. Darlington acted upon the opinion of M tfihr r ee . mw G ian . see G xnt u oin r w n g ey and had since acquainted the pubic that the fire was extinguished at a cost of fewer pence ' than there would have been pounds had the old system of pumping in and of puraping out been adopted. The have ttoubled tuvvhieasishrePdLe,r7ededsh. I N yi I p r iv . e% l l,l ) itt a ihi r a l a y liens had it not been represented that Mr. G. Gurney was visionary enthusiast. He (the Earl of St German) had known that gentleman fe. years. IL beliewd that he was an enthusiast, but denied !het he wes visionary one. A more practical man he hod never had the honour of meeting. Mr. G Gurney was originally a medical man, and it was while h was studying the oa • tore of the dill' 'rent gases, that he ma la these discoveries. His Lordship then enumerafed the different inventions of Mr. Gurney, all of which, pariicularly the Bode l!ght, he euli gi ed as eminently usetul. He cslled upon their Lordship, to give their faveurable considereti n to this petition, and expressed a hope that Government would take Me Gurney' s plan in hand, fur it WAS disgraceful that these • • ' acceleLts should occur so frequently, when there were :eh -quite means of preventing them. Lord BROUGHAM sir• nuously supp:Tted the prayer of the petition, and as a proef of the necessity of adopt. ing Mr. Gurney's plan of ventiletioa, referred to the re cent accident in the Hepburn Coll(ay, where thirty-three TUISDAY EVEN'ING, JUNE 11, Tridk lives had been sacrificed out o? thirty -four which were in zee mine at tie) ti m e of the exptoeiere eVnekti their Lordships .i,itet ti eno rot Of c..d.trutt!es - jug so fr)quen!iy their 700 er 800 per , one were killed cod the eeine homer ineirn rl tsn l iiijiired vTy year, and e hen they a tw that 1.500 persons w, re more or less damaged evera year from the utter ill) plsAbuity of tuck leg, the workmen alt-n.l to their own ewer:, by the peter use. of the safety hoop, they ceu!il not. want mere eieneve proef of the 11, ceeeity that emelt-thine might to hi dune, and to be done iremedistely. Ile thought that it would be better to have a Committee of their L ird ships appointed to examine into the whole of this sub ject. If this system of ventilation were a cure for the explosion of fire-damp, he should not like to be the pro prietor of a coal mine criminally proceeded against for the result of such explosion, now that the cure was known. He then favoured the House with a description of the experiments which Mr. Watt, the inventor of the steam-engine, had personally superintended in a coal mine that was on fire, for the purpose of extinguishing the fire by means of a rapid supply of steam to all parts of the mine. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE believed that it had now been pretty well ascertained that experiments of a successful nature—he himself hal had an oppertunity of seeing one of them—had been reale by Mr. Gurney on this subject, both in the metropolis and in mines in the country, and up to this time he was not aware of any serious practical objection that had been discovered . to the application of hie plan to the removal of an evil which affected i he lives of a great body of hi r Majesty's subjects. Under these circumstances he felt that it would he m nst desirable that some special publicity should he given to the plan; and that if an inquiry mull be made into its in, nts without involving any unnecessary expense it would be very satisfactory. Lord WHARNCLIFFE said, that the presumption no doubt was that Mr. Gurney's invention was a most valuable one ; but, whatever might be the actual case with respect to that invention, he must say it was well worth the while of Government to consider whether the time had not arrived, and whether there was not sufficient ground for their appointing inspectors of coal mines. —(Hear, hear.) He conf -seed that he had at one time entertained great doubts of the efficacy of such appointments ; but there had of late been some useful inquiries made at the instance of Government. and some most valuable information laid upon their table wish re spect to such an arrangement, which had induced him to change his mind. He found that in Belgium there had, for years past, been Government inspectors, es tablished upon the best possible system, the inspectors being able and competent officers, whose duty it was, not to interpose their authority for the purpose of controlling and directing those who were respon sible fur the management of the mines, but to assist them with their advice as to the best possible means of preventing catastrophes. And what had been the re sult? It appeared from the report of Mr. Seymour, one of the inspectors under the Act for preventing young persons working in mines, that since the period of the appointment of inspectors in Belgium—although there had been an increase of 20 per cent. in the amount of coal produced, and an increase of 17 per cent. in the number of persons employed in coal-mines—there had been a decrease of 20 per cent. in the number of fatal accidents.—(llear, hear.) Now, however effectual the plan of Mr. Gurney might he for its own especial pur pose, viz., in creating a mechanical process for the ven tilation of mines, it was obvious they could not dis pense with the additional security of inspectors in order to a-certain that it was pro l e-0y applied to all mines. INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL. The order of the day having been read fur the second reading of this Bill, Lord BROUGHAM suggested the expediency of that [louse w w as ho ab h s t I t i , eld ui t ih h a e p o i ffi ol i;e , postponing the second reeding till a future day. There i w ) ( p ) persona r n of ;1,4 'nom indispeisi;ion, and it was in vain. perhaps, to wait till he wi.s able to be present; but there was another absent, who would undeuhtedly have been present if he had been aware that this Bill was cumin.. on that night, and he (Lord Brougham) suggested, therefore, that it would be more satisfactory to postpone the second read ing till another day, in order to enable that Noble and Learned Lord to be present Lord CAMPBELL was understood to assent to the proposed postponement. la th e Lord STANLEY remarked that it would save consi derable discussion on the second reading of this Bill if it were previously referred to a Select Committee. Lord CAMPBELL said, that if the principle of the Bill were affirmed by the House, and if it were then thought desirable to have some of the details more care fully considered, he would not object to its being cent to a Select Committee; but, until that House had affirmed the principle of the Bill—until he saw whether that House agreed with the other House, where the Bill had been carried by an overwhelming majority—until he saw whether they agreed with the public, who were under. stood to be generally favourable to the Bill, he could not consent to send the Bill to is Select Committee.—(Hear.) Lord MONTEAGLE wisheii to know what was the principle of the Bill?—(Hear, hear.) If it was merely that it was expedient to provide a better, cheaper, and more equitable mode of effecting the transter of landed property in Ireland, it was unnecessary to take up time in discussing it, for that was a mere truism upon which they all agreed; but if the principle of the Bill was that the machinery therein specified was the best mode of carrying out that object, then it was impossible the House could affirm it without a discussion.—(Hear, hear.) The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, that the hest way of Noble Lords sati•fying themselves as to what was the principle of the Bill would be to hear his Noble and Learned Friend Bevel, p it, which he bad not yet had an opp rtunity of doing. When he had so done it would be for their Lordships to judge whether they -resent to the principle as stated by his Noble and Learned Friend, and give the Bill a second reading, re serving to themselves the power of afterwards saying whether it was expedient to refer the details to a select Committee.—(Hear, hear ) Lord CAMPBELL then rose to move the second reading of this Bill. He said this was a most important measure, and, he would allow, an atbitrary one, which nothing but tre mentable state of property in Ireland could justify. Unless such a treasure was adopted, the consequences must be ruinous to that country. The difficulties might have arisen from the imprudence of the proprietors, but he thought it might be assigned with greater justice to the defects of the law of real property in that country. In England, when a party borrowed money, he gave a particular portion of his property as the security, and the remainder of his estates were free, and were under his control; but in Ireland the custom was to give the creditor a judgment deed, which ran over the whole of his property, either in possession or in which he might afterwards become entitled. This judg ment would also be assigned to another party, and when that was the case, it was almost impo-. possible to know who the creditor was when the owner wished to pay off the mortgage. They had also in Ireland a system of registretion of deed., weich he hoped in time to see establiehed in this coun try. At the same time it was better to have no registry at all than a bed one. The registry they had in 'rebind was a curse to that country, for the inforeestien it afforded was altogether defective, only stating that a deed had been entered into between the parties, and was often made the means of great fraud. It was necessary that all the parties interested in the prop, ley should re ceive notice; the consequence was, that the estate; which were in chancery melted away. Sir Edward Sugden told him that when a cause came on a number of lawyers rose, who appeared for the parties, who had nothing to do but to throw down each a brit f, which Sir Edward Sugden compared to the bombardment of a town.—(Laughter.) As soon as a judgment was ob tained in the courts in Ireland a receiver was ap pointed. In fact, the only thriving trade in Ireland was that of the receiver. That being so, it became neces sary to have a tribunal other than the Court of (Than- eery, and with that view this Bill had been prepared, of which he had the most sanguine expectations of success. The principle of the Bill was the appointment of three Commissioners by the Crown, who were to act in Ireland with all the powers of the Court of Chan cery„but without its delays and expense. There was a power given to the incumbrancer or the owner tit apply to the Commissioners. It was very important that dm power should be given to the owner, as he could not now sell without:the consent of the mortgagees and incum brancers, and it was most important that the mortgagee should have the p to apply, as, from the bad le• nagement of the estates, the tenants often pay no rent e and he had no power to interfere, as the estates were in the hands of receivers, who, ale), in their turn, had no power to sell the property. All parties were, in fact, now in a lamentable conditi , in, ene it was proposed to give the Commissioners ample power to remedy the..e evils, by sale of the property or otherwise, as might ap pear most profitable to all the interests concerned, and give a Parliamentary title to purchasers. The great oh j-ct was to procure purchasers.—(Hear.) They could not be found now, because they did not know upon what they were to lay out their capital; but under this Bill their title would bo safe. The Commissioners were to /ay down rules, which were not to be acted upon till ap proved of by the Privy Council. There would also in certain cases, where there might he reasonable cause for doubt, be a power of appeal. To give a power of appeal in all cases would render the Bill useless, The objection was that it superseded the Court of Chancery; but it did so only in cases in which it was found that the powers of that tribunal were wholly useless. The Lord Chan• cellor of Ireland approved highly of the measure. Then, again, it was said that the Bill would be too extensive in its operations; but there were incumbered estates in all parts of that country, so that it would be impossible to limit its operations within geographical boundaries. If the owners of land in one district were to be benefited, the owners of land in all districts should be entitled to the like advantages. At present owners of land who altempted sales of their property were exposed to ruin ous expenses. He hoped, therefore, that their Lord ships would concur with the other House of Parliament in giviree their sanction to this measure. He moved that the Bill be read a second time. The Marquis of LANSDO WNE seconded the motion. Lord BROUGHAM said that, in opp ts'ng the mo tion, he did not wish to be understood as wholly disap p,oving of the Bill, for he highly approved of its principle. But he wished to throw out some suggestions not of a hasty or iil•considil-td eature. That was ne cessary, for bail legislation wets worse than no legislation at all, There were many points: in the worthy of reconsideration. That was the opinion of the Law Amendment Society, who had given much attention to the sulakct, and, iiideed, who originally suggested the principle of the measure. —(Hear, hear.) Ile himeclf had great difficulles and doubts on the subject. His Noble Friend (Lord Campbell) admitted with extraor• (finery candour that it was a very arbitrary measure, which it eould not be if it was only to gi, e a new direc tion to a p iwer already in existence. The powers to be given were indeed of a very novel character. Three com missioners were to be invested with very large powers, and if they were only to be invested with sufficient powers to sell, what need was there of an Act of Parliament for that purpose. Upon payment of the mortgages and ineumbrances that could be done n.ttv. By the bye it struck him that the reason why the Irish Members else where were so enamoured of this Bill wss, that s.,me body had been practising upon them by inducing them to believe that they could sell their estates by this mi,a sure without. paying the incumbrauces on mort ; :ages. If so they were mightily mistaken. lii Learned Friend said what they wanted was bidders for these estates. No doubt it was, and his Noble and Learned Friend said pass this Bill, and you will have plenty of bidders. It was said the want of bidders arose from the deective state of the law; it was no such thing; it was in canstquence of agitation and the bad por law of that countr), that they could not get bidders for property. If they had the south as tranquil as the north, they would not want bidders; and this was clear from the fact, that unincum bered estates cnuld not find bidders.—(Hear.) lie knew that the judges in Ireland were opposed to this Bill, and that was the reason why he should refer it to a Select Committee. It he found that the Irish proprietors, judges, and lawyers were favourable to it, he would not give any strenuous opposition to the Bill; but he felt it his duty as an English lawyer to state his opinion. If it was referred to a Select Committee his objections might be removed. His great objection was to collusive sales, which might be obviated by limiting the sale to a de fined number of years' purchase. The Earl of dLENGALL said he was opposed to the principle of the Bill, which was a complete confisca tion and spoliation of property. He could believe that Englishmen would vote for a Bill which was founded on the principles of communism and socialism, He thought that Louis Blanc, Mons. Considerant, and Mons. Prudhon were the parties who should forgo the triumvii ate to carry it into execution. There was nothing out confis cations in Ireland. There was no,secui ity for piopetty, and therefore it was not improved Up to the year 1782 the Legislature had checked the manuactures of Ireland, which were dearly destroyed. Trey passed the poor-laws for Ireland, not to benefit the Irish, but to prevent the poor of that country from coming to this country ; arid now they pi r secuted the weakest party in Ireland —the laud lords, because they were unwilling to advance money for the relief of the poor of Ireland. The state of Ireland was brought about by the bad legislation of this country. The system of judgments was moat in jurious. In consequence of the re acuce of not satisfy ing judgments which bad been entered up for &leis upon the estates of the debtors, there was enormous expense entailed upon parties. In one case lately that had came under his notice there were 440 judgements not satisfied. and when the ewe came into Court from the attorneys riot satisfying the judgments, every one of these parties had to be made parties to the suit, and the consequence was an enormous amount of expense attendant upon every step respecting the disposal of property. These were evils that required a remedy. Another system, that of the receivers, required notice. These receivers had the entire management of the estates over which they are appointed. Numerous tricks were played by attorneys to get this appointment, and when they suc ceeded in this, oftentimes by procuring parties to commit perjury. They then receive all the rents, and are not obliged to account for them for a period of fifteen months, by which time he, makes a very handsome thing of it. They had also great power over all tenants who were unable to pay their rents, and the consequence was that great injustice was often done to the tenant for the benefit of the receiver. The whole of those evils he attrihuted Pigott's Act, which he thought ought to be repealed, aid things restored to the same state that they were in be fore. It was quite possible to alter this state or things without acting so unconstitutionally as to appoint Com missioners. The masters in Chswely might be made useful for this purpose, and by simplifying the process of the courts of equity. and retracing the steps -taken in bad legislation, a sufficient remedy might be applied There was another most important subject. Were the- , e triumvirs to sit in publi c ? W as t h e press to be ao mitted? Were lawyers to be admitted to show up their proceedings? Was the public to know anything respect ing proceedings for the sale of estet s till the decree was fulminated in the Dublin Gazitte? He had not. after inquiry, been able to ascertain whether this was to be a secret tribunal, or in what manner their proceed ings were to be conducted. That was a most important subject., and he wished some information upon it. The great object of this Bill was to improve the west of Ire land, but he could affirm, from experience, that no ca pital or skill could permanently improve the lands in the far west. He was perfectly convinced that these wild speculators who expected to make fortunes by purchasing these bogs and morasses, would be disappointed. He hoped they would, for not being actuated by pure mo tives. He knew persons who had attempted the improve went of portions of the soil, and after two or three years they had to begin all over again. He thought this Bill should not pass in its present form. Lord BROUGHAM said he wished to know whether the Commissioners were to proceed entirely by affidavit, or by viva voce examination? Lord CAMPBELL said it was left entirely in the dis cretion of the Commissioners. There were no rules in the Bill. The Bill gave the Commissioners the power to lay down rules of practice to guide their proceedings. Lord MONTEAGLE said, the only answers they could get upon points raised upon the Bill were, that the Commissioners were vested with powers to deal with them, so that the whole real property in Ireland would be in the power of these Commissioners. Why, he would ask, were they left in such a state as had been described by his Noble Frieed. He approved of a short mode of conveyance, but that was rej -cied when he sue gested it on another occasion. Teis Bill was to be tak n in connexion with another in which new principles were laid down, and which wale engrafted on this Bill. The Bill to which he reierred was the Irish Poor-law Amendment Act, by which guardians were appointed upon the authority of the Crown, who had power to levy rates and to incur debts. In that Bill there was a power to appeal to the higher Courts, arid it was now discovered that there was an incident to that power that a fee simple could be sold for the payment cf the rates. In Connaught there were miles of land left waste and uncultivated, because the landlords would not undertake the occupation because the rates were due of the tenants who had abandoned the land. This Bill was to be taken in connexion with that Act, and would enable the par ties to sell these estates for the payment of the poor rates. He would suggest, the introduction of a clause for the protection of lands held jointly by two or more proprietors. The great evil in Ireland was the superin tending power of the supreme court of equity. He oh , jeered to the time at which it was produced. If they passed this Bill, it would be a declaration of war against that class which was now most suffering. The Earl of WICKLOW said the arguments which he heard against the Bill, from N, ble Lords who had spoken, were applicable to the Bill in Committee, but did riot apply to the principle of the Bill which they had now to consider. Ile thought the three Commissioners would be much more cenap , lent to deal with the pro. posed facilitating the sales of property than the Court of Chancery in either country could be with so much other bu.iness to transact. He bad been! nothing against the principle of the Bill, nor anything urged to induce ban to consent to a Committee, upstairs, but what might be urged in favour of sending any Bill up stairs. One of the reasons) urged for sending the Bill to the Committee up stairs was, that it might be considered by Irish lawyers, but he thought their Lordships quite as com petent to mike laws as lawyers, and the stoner the pre sent practice of leaving the making of laws to them was ultereti the better. He was by no mains sanguine as to any great effects that this Bill would produce. He be lieved that the panic that now existed, and in the inse curity at prese n t f e l t , no c l ass of purchasers would be found. For the first two years he calculeted that these Commissioners would have nothing to do but receive their salaries; but that was no reason why the law should not be atnended.—(A. laugh.) He had beard nothing' against the...principle of the measure, and he was there fore entirely in its favour. The Bill was then read a second time. Lord CAMPBELL then moved that the Bill be com mitted. Lord BROUGHAM said that, while he should do no thing to defeat the principle of the measure, he should objtct to some of the details in Committee, such, for in ' stance, as the preceding by affidavit. He wished that the general rules to be made by the Commission should be open to that House to ~b ject within a limited period. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE would not object to the motion of his Node k'rietidi-thlt the 13111 be referred to a Select Committee, as its principle was adwit•ed. He thought the points nuntion. d might be more conveni ently considered in a Select Committee up stairs than in a Committee of the whole House. Lord STANLEY said that they did not require that the exceptional case which the Bill was required to meet should not be carried further than the necessity of the CUE, d , manded; but no powers should be given to the Commissioners, unless the urgency of the case deinand,d them. He had no desire to delay the measure unneces sarily. The Bill was then ordered to be referred to a Select Committee, to be nain!-d to-morrow. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COSI MONS, June 11. The SPEAK ER too k the Chair a , Four o'clock. NEW 111 EMBERS. Sir DAVID DUNDAS took the oaths and his seat for Sutherland:4llre. Lord GUERNSEY took the oaths and his seat for South Warwickshire. THIRD READINGS. passed : -- The following Bills were read a third time and Wisbeach, Chatteris, Tid Gote, and Downham-bridge Turnpike (Continuation of Act, Alteration of Provisions relating to Repair of Waldorsey and South Side Banks, Abandonment as to Turnpike of Ho id over same, Con struction of new Turnpike Road) Bill. Great Yarmouth Haven Bridge and Navigation Im provement Bill. CONSIDERATION OF REPORTS. The reports on the following ails were considered and agreed to:— — Binbroeke St. Gabriel and Binbrooke St. May In closure (Amendment and Extension of Acts, Alteration of Awar:ls, Settling Titles to Lauds, &c., and defining Parish Bounitari:e) Bill. Lanea.hire and Yorkshire and London and North Western Railway Companies cfransfor of Interest in the Preston and Wyre It-1;141ay Harbour and Di:ck, and regulating Management of tin., Undnrtlkii.g) Bill. Ren iow.hiro Justice of Peace. Courts totoey and Sussex Roads (Amendment of Act and Alteration of Tolls) Biil. Westheatt's Patent (for Improvements in Manufactur ing Fur into Fabrics) Bill. Mr. PATTEN moved that the report from the Com.. mitten on the Binbrooke St. Gabriel and Binbrooke Sr. Mary Inclosure (Amendment and Extension of Act, alteration of Awards, sealing of Tales to Lands, &c., and defining Parish Boundaries) Bill be now considered; that the Bill be re-committed to the former Committee, with leave to sit end proceed to-morrow, notwithstsehe in.; three clear day,' notice Las not been give" ° I meeting of the Committee. —Agrced to. PE I'ITIONS. Mr. P. WESTJIEAIt presented a petition from l i b . 9 Wesleyan& of York in favour of the Clergy Relicf r . Sever,l petitions were presen te d iu favour of lu te natiend arbitration. Mr. LOCH presented a petition from a place in Sen t ' land, praying for au alteration of the excise Jae's. Mr. F. MAULE prose wed a petition from the Gene. 1.41 Assembly of the Free C: iurc h o f Scotland, nAtl ins .. the Test Acts in the ScAtisii unieersicies; from the same body against the M arr i a ge air T. BIRCH presented a p e tition from Liverpoo -1 praying fur a repeal ut the Excise d u ti e s, and the sew stituden of's, me other mode of t a x a ti o n. • for Mr. W. PAT I'EN presen te d a p e titi o n praYl o a the abolition of the Excise duty o n p a p er . in Mr. BANKES presented a petition from a Pla ce ts . Dorsetshire praying for the ex t ens i on o f co unty ne°' Mr. E. DENISON p resen t e d a pet iti on to the sam t fleet. 5160 a petition • Lord DUDLEY STUART presented a petition to the same street. Mr. COBDEN presented several petitions in.. (o°lll. of internacional arbitration. Sir C. LEMON presented a petition to the some ‘ l4l ;row Penz ince. rgh Mr COWAN present e d a p et i t i on f rom Bili • n bu . ll 3 praying tor alterations i n t h e S cotc h h ea l t h of 1°- 13th. S,r R. H. INGLIS prevented a petition from is P ittc. in Wlirwick , hire neeinst the Marrimge Bill. DUBLIN IMPROVEMENT BILL. to Sir W. SOM ERV I LLE moved th a t this Bill be a second time to-100 Mr. GROGAN asked for a delay till Friday. r e. Sir W. SOMERVILLE could not accede to th e quest. The motion was accordingly agreed to. COMMON LAW COURTS. of Mr. BREMBIDGE moved an addr ess for ret i s i ecl the number of catis,s entered te r ti nd in Lundt' ° „ - t ee aitictellesex, in each year duri ng th e l ast ten yearstlcbe• Courts of Queen's Bench, C ommon Pl eas , and s e quer, with the number of reinauets left at tbe e the Of each sating in each Court; also, 13 ` i%4 number of causes entered for trial at each .se s si ;cl in each circuit, during the last ten yeal* A d r e,s the Lumber of rematiets left ut each assize ; also, ng for Returns of the names a n d res id ences ut all 0 04 1: its justices of the peace for co un ti es , cit i es , a nd borougm"o England and Walt a, a n d o f t h e year i n wh i ch each "ie sworn in ; also, of all the stipendiary mag i s trates England and Wales, with the d a t es o f t h e i r appoieuile n and salaries. VENTILATION OF MINES. " t ot Mr. T. DUNt.;OMBE brought in a Bill for the " 4 " ventilation of mines, which was read a first time. IN DISTRESS AMONG THE LANDOWNER' IRELAND. Mr. P. SCROPE presented a petition from B e ve t be owners of land in Ireland st a ti ng t h a t t h e y were 113 greatest distress, that they could obtain no Pr ece f i ye from their to operty, that they were now obliged t 0 ,,, i9 upon shell fish awl such other edible substances as could gather on the coast, and p ra yi ng f or a relief ' iv the paps:eat of their rates. PRIVILEGE OF PARLIAMENT. All • Mr. J. O'CONNELL, am id roars of laughter from - 0 . sides of the Hou se , b egge d to give notice th at .' u he Thursday next, he would move for a reps- °e ra siandiug order of the House which excluded t-tra n " ei from the galleries of the House during the deht", e ' r , 0 being unwise and unnecessary in theory and fic't practice.—(The . Hon. Member carried up the 13 1 -t - i be motion'to the table, and was again greeted wit' - laughter of Members throughout the House.) FRENCH INTERVENTION AT ROME' „h be Mr. HUME wish e d t o as k t h e quest i on of whr-5, had given notice, but n o t see i ng t h e NotJe Lord "' e a it cretary for Foreign Affairs in bis place, he would Pilo to the Noble Lord at the head of the Governmen t * 0 0 ; question which he wished to ask had reference to the affairs of Rome. He saw that by the Message 00 President of the French Rep u bli c t h at th e intern n ° t he of the French with the Republic of Rome hauficro countenance of the British Government. If this;cro' so he deemed it to be very objecti ona bl e . The u, ° ' P lea went of France rested upon the opi n i o n of the rijosi Our own Government also derived its power tree the people. He wished to know whether it W 0 the that this intervention derived any countenance front British Government?—(Bear, hear.) • ea 130 Lord JOHN RUSSELL said th a t h e had reel / c oo' notice respecting this q u e s ti on , b ut h e ce rtainl epc ob eeived that the Messag e o f t h e P res id ent o f the certainly, Republic was not at all li a bl e to t h e cons t ru ctioV i . ol the Hun. Member h a d put upon i t. Il e (I'°f" hied Russell) understuod the President to say, that gog ne and France were on the best or terms, which wa s . . s ,7 o 10 (Loud - and repeated cheers)—but with the extv i l it ne - s ted R-Ane we were in. no way oomplicated. -- (t n e crndu cheers.) The French. Government had sent .1 0 Li --- t beir the opinion of her Majesty's Jlinisters. and as to fz el' sending an agent to Rome, and no opinion bad b ee , e r pry seed against such a s t e p, b u t w i t h re spect to t h petition, with that, be repeated, they were in L IO complicated.—(Renewed loud cheers.) BANKRUPTCY BILL. tiOl; In reply to a question from Mr. S I DART, respec i re , the intention of the Government to proceed at Cabe 11 . h n the Bankruptcy Bill, which had' been eut down 11.° 4 the House of Lords on Friday feo had been considered for two sessions, with the cotor ai approbation of the Lord Chancellor, and other gee legal authorities in the House of Lords, and which he ij 0 0$ Lord J. RUSSELL s a id, t h at t h oug h h e vrots-i d e . commit iiiins.elt at once to so many and complicateuadJ, tails, he would proceed as soon as possible with the and hoped to see the measure become law this sessloll' CANADA. poll Mr. BERRIES said Earl Grey had stated • jet i ; to Lord Brougham, that all the information whie" ,pe Ct been received by the Government with r A c :,sor to the proceedings of the Legislative i'Mhe b'y in Canada had been delivered fr o tgbot Canadian newspaper s; an d h e w i s h e d to know w," - c or the Government were in t h e p ossess i on o f a ny i leg official communication from Lord Elgin co ur.rc o f those newspaper accounts, or *ere in the posses °l- 00 0 any other information on the subject which the./ c lay before the House? ,1 Wit t; Lord J. RUSSELL said he was not acquainN--, bat what transpired in the other House of ParlianiellAcon what he uouerstood was this, that Lord Elgin bau „; e s ° I generally requested to transmit to this country cr - cr ir Catrad:an newspapers containirg ceedings in the 14, gislative Assembly, Those re' iv ite been received without,- however, any offichil or P,. r „roei an account of tPert'bol information from Lord El in concerning the s e- 0 be of the accounts; and under those c ircurnstlic ee t ole should certainly not b e a p arty to l a yi n g on th e c oo' of the House a whole fib. of Canadian newspoPe r i s il e or.) taining a great mass o f d e b a t es an d procee d iu4 s,--k AL FRENCH INTERVEN LION IN THE STATE, _ Mr. HUME said, the Noble Lerd the Secretslit He Foreign Attairs had stated on a former occa,iou tr s i or hail received a communication from the French ..,P, rl ,idet with reference to th e e xp e di t i on to Civita IL" s of end he wished now to ask him whether that ieclue7, 4 o rtference to the march of the French army toes be Heine; and also it he thought it fit to stater what" o th e approved or disapproved of that proceeding ep n w the part of the Freech, and what answer he gave communication? ia Lord PALMERSTON said he received the C omm bst cation. With referenc e t o Ci vita V ecc hia in ".`!) eofro the, er December last, but n o ment i on was ma de in l' ulterior proceedings which w ere contemplated by thib expedition. 'The answer which he gave to it w as p ro' that it was not for them to j u d g e of 111 . 1 , 11 a g ceedings of the French Government; ," — tr isel their tbboye thwdaievpeel n b o im p ri t hianvet er:wnipaaeteetarhnve:ilb, differences r ; g et: understandingiitn; bj t . h c a t t that;bei between etbneer i t r i a a o r ;: - : o l3Li t t:c p. b o t. : his subjects, by which the Pope should secure, s ere Roman poopls tho se constitutional colle t ssions h granted last year, an d t h at there should be a p r ie . IsP t h and real separation betw ee n th e temporal and ritual suttiority.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hvar.9 he tber Mr. HUME said he h e ir ly w i s h e d to know w 'f the the communication st a t e d t h at i t was the i nten tion - French army to take possession of Reece, -fog Lord PALMERSTON said he had received no to 'nation to that eff-et. thl Mr. J. O'CONNELL w i shed to know whether h reply w a s qu i te consistent with the principle "ic of been pr o f esse d , not to intermeddle with the a ffal foreign countries? And also, whether there vi tt : f bf o degr ee o f a l arm as to the sincerity on the part Holiness the Pope?—(Oh, oh! ) d .061°' Lord PALMERSTON said he had receive - , o cer timid from various continental States, that the ir i c in s to s $ relic., in the negotiations about to be entered Civita Vecchia would be well received. Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL—Where from? „ j olt* Lord PALMERSI ON—From Austria, 'i s na l France, and the Nuncio Paris.—(Laughter.) y o ri , intimated to the Nuncio by Lord Normanby. at GO; that there would be no interference, by her Mti v , vl) beer°' vernm, nt, between the Pope and his subjects.- - j THE RECTORY OF BISHOPSWEARMu,„. In answer to st question from Mr. HORSM4'„'IJ be The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said it I v ti e e o a highly improper to bestow any professional ew b - e e be that subject; but if the Hon. Member asked whe t to th e (the Attorney-General) had made up his mind 0 5 h e powers of the Commissioners, he had only to 511 had.—(Laughter.) t he Mr. HOUSMAN would ask the Noble Lord " 1 0' 0 head of the Go vernment whether the arrangernen' i a 1 0 1 respect to the rectory of Bishopswearmoutb w ° A ti o ; carried out by an order in Council, or by an Parliament ? a t h e L trd JQIIN RUSSELL—I h ave not yet re ceive ) opinion of our Attorney-General.—(Loud laughter' CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. th e Mr. SPOONER asked the Solicitor-General w hen Ch,ritable Trust-4 Bill would be brought forward! oite Tee SOLICITOR-GENERAL could give no ds answer; that would depend on circumstances. PUBLIC BUSINESS. f Mr. DISRAELI gave notice that on Thu r t ail d e ,,, would tn-..ke inquiry of t h e N o bl e L ord at t he T ti el'" the Goverreeen: as to th e p ro b a bl e ruut i n e r business during the se , stote PARLIAMEN rARY OATHS BILE. . 6 On the motion ot Lord J. RUSSELL, that 0 1 be read a third time, _A t hird Mr. LAW rose to move that the B i ll be rent. ° o f ;be time this day six months. The o p en i ng s entence s f r om Ho. Members speech were wholly inaudibelenotoe; the noise occAsioned by Members leaving th jeo The main obj-ct of the Bill wa b s admission ( 1 o hjeci into a Christi.n legiAlatute 0 ; but the rea l t o „ t th e BA wes nut 'eaten until ..oey c l O l ~t. the latter clauses of the Bill—which s.• tbiN very abort one. He objected to the tenor of Sl'