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Where they must encounter the competition of their con- statesman who was talking to me yesterday upon the sub- marked on the words of the hon. and gallant member in tempo r a r ies, an d those whom indolence of temperament or ject took this objection, and illustrated it by an ane e dot ee th e letter /with such truth," with a query after it, "by physical i n firmities unfit for active exertions, are placed in He said that the Finance Minister of France after the Re- the hon. member for Aylesbury." The hon. member now the civil service, where they may obtain an honourable liveli- volution, received so enormous a number of applications charged him with being guilty of that of which he was _• ho o d w ith littl e l a b o ur and no risk, where their success de - for place s that he did not know what to do; every man in , himself accused. (Hear, hear.) , Ponds upon their simply avoiding any flagrant misconduct, France thought he was entitled to a post under a free Go- Colonel FREESTUN again ro s e but was induced to re and attending with moderate regularity to routine duties, and vernment. (A laugh.) In one day he received no less than sumo his seat by loud cries of " Order !" • in which they are secured against the ordinary consequences 700 applications, and he then wrote to all the candidates Sir S NORTHCOTE admitted the inefficiency of the of old age or failing health, by an arrangement which provides desiring them to attend at his house on the same day and civil service, but p o i n t e d ou t th e difficulties in the way of th em w ith th e means of supporting themselves atter they have the same hour. When the time ar r ived th e ante-chamber, a reform, partly from the short period which heads of de become incapacitated." the staircase , and th e hall were of course filled, The Minis- p artments were allow ed to remain in offic e, and p artl y ter presented himself and said, " Gentlemen, what h a ve - from the outcry w hi c h wou ld b e ma d e, even i n th e h ouse Then I have the opinion of Mr. Anderson, which I willnot I you come here for? suppose for places? Their si l ence itself, if one man were ra i se d over th e h ea d s of his seniors, trouble the house with, as it is to the same effect as that argued assent. " Well," said he, " I have only one place at or if a man were dismissed for what his chief considered which I have just read, but he states that when it was my disposal; that is my own. If you would like to h ave it, incapacity. The great evil in the civil service wits this , found necessary by a commissioner at the head of a large l for it." (Laughter.) But I believe nothing of that that there department to introduce improvements in the mode of ? no promotion by merit to the higher ap gelywill happen in England if you upset-the s y s tem whi c h pointments w , a a e n .. the consequence was that there was no keeping the accounts, he could not find one among his makes the dietrbution of pieces a political favour. Every energy or ability among th e clerks. He then proceeded large establishment of clerks who was sufficiently convey- ma .' ' member of this house would be rejoiced to b e relievedfrom . to describe the system of reform recommended by himself scut with the scientific principles of accounts to carry out the duty, for it has become almost a e i u t ea o f making a p- and Sir Ch ar l es T reve l yan , w hi c h, he sa id, was very in his plans of improvement. Mr. Chadwick, in his ev idence, plications, for places for his constituents.' There is no harm correctly described as a system of competitio 1 -it was said :- in those applications to a certain extent. The course I pur- that, but it was still more a system of equal division of " A secretary, complaining of the disadvantage s of his sue with regard to my own constituents is this-when a labour amon g th e c l er k s a nd promotion by merit. Wit service, related in illustration that out of three clerks sent man asks me for a place, I say, if I know him,, that I will regard to competition, he stated that Sir C. Trevelyan and him fiom the usual sources there was only one of whom any certify that he is a resp ectable and com p etent p erson. If a himself were a t first disposed to recommend the system use whatsoever could be made, and that, of the other two, person, known to be a respectable and competent man, ap- recently adopted by the Government, of having a board of one came to take his place at the office leading a bulldog in a plies for a small post in the town, it is no favour to get the t examiners to test the merits of nominees, but they were string. (Laughter.) I have been assured that, under post centered on him. But the present system cannot be soon satisfied that such a board would not be able to resist another commission, out of 80 clerks supplied by the patron destroyed while your constituents have a right to ask you urgent applications from influential persons, and thatthey age secretary, there were not more than 12 who were worth to forward their claims. A man ought to have other means would only serve to cover bad appointmentS. He coutni , their salt for the performance of service requiring only a of obtaininga postthan an application to his representative. verted the arguments of Mr. Romilly, who con tended sound common education." It is said to be almost necessary to the existence of a Go- that a competing examination would drive gentlemen out A retired officer writes to Mr. Chadwick :- vernment that they should have pTh.ces at their disposal, of the civil service. He could not conceive a greater libel "Many instances could be given of young men, the sons of a nd Mr.Romilly has stated that members of Parliament are ,on the aristocracy than this, and for himself he utterly respectable pa ren ts, w h o we re found unable to read or write, not to be kept in good humour without places. The fi rs t I disbelieved it. He next complained of the inad equa t e and utterly ignorant of accounts. Two brothers, one almost thing, then, that we ought to do is to pledge ourselves not salaries given to the clerks, and the unfair division imbecile, the other much below the average of intellect, long to ask for places. If it is disagreeable to us to forward ttp- of labour. If this were put upon a better footing he was retained appointments, though never equal to higher work plicatione. and to the Government to receive them, let no satisfied feWer .clerks would do the work, withs better . tha n th e l owes t description of copying. Another young man more applications be made through us. But human nature salary for each, and a great reduction of the national ex "svas found unable, on entering, to number the pages of a will always be human nature, and unless a roan has other penditure would be the result. volume of official papers beyond 10." means than those now afforded him of obtaining admission Mr. 1.,. GOWER was most anxious to promote merit in the public service, and he gave every credit to the mem public service, the same influence will be employed, hers of the Administrative Reform Association for seeking (Laughter.) These extracts show that all these gentlemen to the . andthe present stete of things will continue to exist. There that object, but what he complained of was that they did Agree, in fact, that these evils exist, though there is w no b t ie p b u b rs i u s e b i r t et i b n e a r p E ra s c r t l i G ca r l ee w v a i y il . e, b H e e d d fe e u fe e n w d e e d d i t n h b e is co p u u r b se . is one more question upon which I wish to say a few wee,. Among them some difference of opinion as to the mode in A small , pamphlet has lately been published on the reorea "which they are to be remedied. I suppose that the order lie life, and reminded Mr. Layard that on the only occa iiisation of the civil service, written by a gentleman con in Council which has been lately issued may be attributed sion when his brother had an appointment t ht o eo b ni s gr t e. o n w Lt - lseyin t ft h ar a nd t netted with that service. Let the house hear, then, what to this report, and to the little notice we are beginning himself. He Under H Fo e re w ig as n b S e e u c n r ( e i ta t ry e e - dd he tb g a a t ve tb i e t these gentlemen have to say for themselves, for, although to take of the civil service in this house. But this order the pamphlet is anonymous,. it is deserving of consideration. In Council gives no remedy for the evils I have alluded to •; Justified bee. gen gentleman appointment; f w which-probably p t r h e e b r a e b w l ya from e o m n e theirwea k n s e b s e s r i t n e the it merely declares that there shall be an examination ; It shows that the evidence which I have read prove ,that when a man is sent up there shall be a test as to his that the system in your public offices is as antagonistic as possible to the discharge of the duties of those offices ; being possessed of a reasonable capacity; but there is no section-his brother found no trace-that was an excess system of competitive examination proposed. I will read that men are placed . in public offices whose claims rest upon political considerations ; and that your offices are of meekness and modesty. He pointed out that, long be tefore this movement was heard of, Lord Aberdeen's Govern- You what Mr. Romilly says on the iubject of an exami- overcherged with incompetent people. The money voted . nation, which I think will prove how useless a mere exami- ment proposed to give up their patronage for a system of for the public service is larger than the public like, and we nation is without competition. Mr. Romilly says :- competition, and they found no support in Parliament. therefore have motions for the reduction of these sums. „" I have been 12 years the member of a board, and during But the house does not usually cut down the salaries of the He Objected to the resolution on account of the despondent that period not one candidate has ever been rejected ; and high officers, but those of the hardworking and useful tone in which it spoke of the country-which, he believed, only one, who was wholly incapable, was with difficulty in- bad no foundation ; and because it suggested no remedy men, the tendency of which is to fill the offices with use- for the evils it complained of. Mr. PEACOCKE traced all our national disasters, from danced to resign, after a still greater difficulty on the part of less and inefficient men. There is not one honest man, the board to say that they would reject him if he did not. . . whether he is in favour of reduction or not, who will not have been 12 years in a Government office, and during that say that a man who has a fair amount of duty to perform the reign of George 11, downwards,' to the reign of the • period no instance has occurred of any one being found un- ought to receive a fair amount of pay. (Cheers.) If you Revolution families. ,deserving of promotion." reduce your offices to the number of men who are comps - Mr. GLADSTONE here rose and said, that on the pre , ••' have great doubts as to Mr. Romilly's fitness for the tent to the duty, yon may fairly increase the pay of those sent occasion he found himself in the difficulty he had re cently experienced more than once, that while they had an of examiner, though Ido not generally object to him who fairly earn it. (Hear, hear.) The first thing is not to Yet I think I am justified in my doubts on this point b th • y cut down the pay of public offices, but to reduce the nom- original . motion and an amendment, he was not in the con e evidence which he has given. He says :- ber of mon to that which is required for the public service. "I am well aware that that which constitutes true gentle - Up on another point I agree with this gentleman, when he dition of assenting by his vote to either one or the other. man -like feeling is found in every rank of life; but i t is less s p eaks of the superannuation fund. It is all very well to The reason why he thought the adoption of neither desir . rtarnon in the lower ranks than in t"e higher, and a selec- say that by means of this fund members of the civil ser- able was, that if the House of Commons adopted motions on so important a subject, they should be clothed in lan lea, therefore, from a selected class would seem to me pre ferabi to vice have a certainty to retire upon ; but how is that cer --"'e an choice, however extensive, founded upon corn- tainty acquired? By cutting down the pay, It is clear it Petition. Admitting all the evils of patronage, and all the ought to be left to an actuary to estimate what a man gunge of an unambiguous character, and calculated t pro :4lvantage of sweeping it a way, as far as the Legislature is ought to receive after the payment of a certain amount, mote the Public welfare. His hon. friend th e member for t s i e dieerned, Ido not think that the civil service should bemade and after a 'certain number of years' service. There is an- Aylesbury commenced his motion by stating that the house : unless instrument of the political regeneration of the country, other question treated of in the pamphlet :- viewed with deep and increasing concern the state of the nation. Whatever might be the intention of the hon. Luess it be good for the service itself. Parliament ought to " The other question, that of leaving the service, is much t o gentleman, he was bound to confess that he did not agree to b . e able to curd its own diseases, without having recourse more important. The secret history of, the superannuation the civil service for the purpose." scheme is difficult to get at, but it is indiiputablesthat the Government has been levying a tax upon all official incomes in the language that he proposed to put into the mouth of I think this ver extraordinary, but beyond I find a pas :. fig® in his evidence which explains it. For he states that for the purpose of granting su p eran nuation allowances, the House of Commons. He was not prepared to say that the house viewed with great or increasing concern the state which tax, in its accumulation, exceeds its liabilities by lo se effect of competition will be that the aristocracy will of the nation. On the contrary, it appeared to hint that ish the lion's share of the civil service; but I will lead many hundreds of thousands of' pounds, and which allow " Romilly's own words. He says :- mice is always granted grudgingly-seldom until the a recipient be quite worn out, and generally with some in the midst of enormous difficulties, and in the face of Notwithstanding its ability, the report of Sir C. Trevel mysterious reductions and uncertainties as to its amount. imflammatory language, the people of England had shown 3'an, together with have o stnve not convinced me. It still seems to me that the result It is difficult to coneeive what the Government has to do by °Pen competition will be a democratical civil service side with it all, except to give up those accumulations, which, present year, worthy of their name and character. Then his hon. friend went on to say, in his motion, thet the ht 7 side with an aristocratical Legislature." whoever may have a right to them, certainly do not monl. ly belong to the present possessors. In the ordivary course of isefore I read this report I thought we had got rid of this things, if a man does not choose to store up for a rainy day, manner in which merit and efficiency had been sacrificed, Mbar delusion ; but according to this gentleman we are there is no act of Parliament compelling him to be pro- in public appointments, to party and family influences, and :t ill living under an aristocratical Legislature. He con- vident ; and if his salary as a civil servant be not sufficient to to a blind adherence to routine, had given rise to great nais "ones thus :- fortunes, and threatened to bring discredit upon the ne enable him to lay by for his old age, that may he an argu 'Lionel character, and to involve the country in grave diem ` " Open competition must necessarily be in favour of the ment for increasing his emoluments, but not for levying a tax more numerous class. The natural abilities of that more of 5 per cent. upon what he now receives, where 2S would do; tors. He was not quite sure that he correctly understood numerous class—. e., of the lower or less rich class-are not nor, indeed, of meddling with the disposal of his private the terms family influences, but he must interpret the t , . , s inferior to those of the higher or richer class. Inducements means at all." tion of the hon. member for Aylesbury, not by his speech to to-night, but by other speeches addressed to other audi , cultivate tiro's° abilities for a special and important ob- He describes in a graphic way how the unfortunate man ences, and in reference to the known sentiments of the as a Ject, attainable by such means, will not be wanting. The t r i es t o ge t this retiring allowance :- ea '-aparatively moderate prizes of t "He has to shift and he civil service rise in sociation of which he was understood to be the principal dodge on, broken-spirited, nervous, organ. He (Ar. Gladstone) (lid not go beyond the fact in valu e as you descend in the scale of society. 2001. or 3001. a and dyspeptic. 'Fly night he runs the gauntlet of ' Parr's year is amuch larger fortune to the son of a tradesman Life,' 'Norton's Camomile,' Cockle's Antibilious,' and other stating that he observed in the proceedings of that associa tion a tendency to fasten on the aristocracy, as a peculiar • Or farmer than it is to the son of a nobleman or squire ; miraculous menelicaments ; by day he is more occupied with class, some peculiar responsibility for the defects and an dtherefore, I, b e lieve that the great majority of the ap his diet than his duty; his office gets disorganised , his juniors weakness of the public service. He was not prepared to geintmentswill fall to the lot of those who are in the lower lose their temper, feel the injustice of working with a man join in a feeling of that kind. If the House of Commons n ecial position. (Laughter.) The more the civil service is re who ought tto stay, and yet who may not go, and become was more aristocratic in sentiment and in feeling than it • t ljeit.d from the lower classes, the less it will be sought after mutinous, while ne he either dies in harness full ten years before ought to be, that was not owing to any privilege possessed ° 4 7 the higher until at last the aristocracy will be altogether his time, or condescends to unworthy tricks and imaginative by the aristocracy or to any particular law or regulation ; dissociated from the permanent civil service of the country." certificates, until he wrings a shorn and mutilated allowance b u t it was ow i ng t o th e s t rong f ee li ng i n f a v our o f the ads ,lf this means anything it seems this -that if y ou g ive the from half incredulous 'my lords.'' ' tocracy which pervaded all ranks and classes of the com appointments to that class who p ossess the g reatest amount The pamphlet is full of cases like this, and is clearly an ex- munity ; but, besides, it was still more owing to the fact ° I talenta n d who Lave the greatest object in working for the , .ponent of the feelings of the men themselves,' who would that the aristocracy was recruited from the best of the so public service, you must introduce competitive beexami affected by the changes proposed. I have read the evi- people, and its history was written in the most glorious r ation -(Lear) -the effect of which will be to exclude the dense of Mr. Anderson, who shows that our public offices pages of the country, ascribing to it everything that made a ristocracy. I am happy to say that Mr. Mill, a reaS gentle- h ' 'sari of great experience, a profound ph iloso p her as well as are overcharged with servants, and I will hnepotism another pas- them rejoice in the name of England. The evil of nep sage from his evidence. Mr. Anderson says :- t Political economist, has upset th e ab surdi t i e s of Mr. I did not affect the aristocratic elegem more than a.nyother rank. `'' , unfitly. Mr. Mill ,says :- " Every person who has had experience in conducting a These circumstances operated with him as an objection to "If the sons of gentlemen cannot be expected to have as large office will admit that if all were really efficient not only the motion in the abstract. He was not willing to join in Leh ability and instruction as the sons of low people it would the business be better and more expeditiously done, a vote which could have no other effect than deluding the , ;add, make a strong case for social changes of a more but it would be probably executed by two-thirds of the num- country, nor was he prepared to point out the class of the slelasive character. (Hear, hear.) If the sons of gentle- b e r of clerks now em p lo y ed." s aristocracy as being chargeable with peculiar responsibility te3twould not, even under the stimulus of competition, main- (C heers . ) I will not trouble the house with further re- for defects in the public service. The hon. member for say ttreniselves on an equality of intellect and attainments marks on the civil service, but I might say something on Aylesbury, with great fairness, said that he considered the the manner in which the Governments of this country are system acted on by successive Governments was prejudicial they niths of a lower rank, how much below the mark must 511 n a bs i with their present monopoly, and to how much greater meat I :used . This subject comes within the scope of my argu- to the satisfactory manegerneet of public affairs. Now he e'e n that than the friends of the measure allege must the effi- , for I have the admission of a noble lord in the other (Mr. Gladstone) would not enter into the inquiry whether is eos „ e Y of the public service be at present sacrificed to their hpuse (Lord Granville), who said that, although ho had it Was so or not. But if it were so, then he ventured to hitOPetency 7 And, more ; if, with advantages and opportu- many connexions in the present Administration, yet he had state that the party or power responsible for that evil was ii,,, 8 so vastly superior, the youth of the higher classes have three cousins in the Administration of the Earl of Derby. the House of Commons. If one thing more than another ' t o lion our enough, or energy enough, or public spirit enough, This, then, is no party question, and, if this is admitted, was in the control of the house, it was who should and the question is placed upon the basis that I wish. Govern- who should not be Ministers of the Crown, and if, it were ,usak e themselves as well qualified as others for the station - W hich th e y desire to maintain, they are not fit for that sta- ment, then, in this country, is more or lets an affair of true that Cabinets were formed from the restricted circle t i e en, and cannot too soon step out of it, and give place to family relationship and connexion. Ido say that this is of families of the aristocratic class without availing our tter people. (Cheers.) I have not this unfavourable opinion one of 'the most grievous causes of public complaint, and selves of the immense materials that the nation offered, it ' t er thein. I believe that they will fairly earn their full share of that it is working more than any other upon the country was the House of Commons that ought to be held mainly e very kind of distinction when they are no longer able to ob- at large. (Hear, hear.) Now, sir, I will go to third pro- if mot e hnti Hoy responsf Comm ible n o s to r the evil, an Pharisaically f s _ I complain has given rise to great misfortunes, an d such a state of things in the face of the country, in the ( Cheers. I most entirely agree with those opinions. Let threatens to bring diedredit upon the nation, and involve form of the hon. member's motion, but it became them to . t .., 7 .public service be open to all classes. (Hear, hear.) the country in grave disasters. No one now will question proceed with an address to the foot of the throne, repre ,ithitila regard to the examinations, I have a return, which the fact that our public establishments are not what they senting to her Majesty, that they must withhold their {till somewhat amuse the house, of the system of examine- should be, and no one will f question the fact that very confidence fr o m tho s e to whom she had entrusted her exe uas adopted, under the order in Council, in each depart - grea t changes are necessary. doubt, indeed, whether cutive councils, until they adopted measur es more i n ea kl "nt, part of which I will read. In the Treasury- any reasonable man will question the truth of the asser- cordance with the public interest. (Hear, hear.) He S sai l', The candidates are examined in the common rules of time, that the misfortunes that have happened are owing objected in the most unqualified terms to the practice t io temetic, such as the rule f three, vulgar and decimal frac- to this titate of thines. I have found a curious speech, adopted on some recent occasions of embodying resolutions ab use interest, and discount and they are required to make which I have extracteefrora the newspapers. The house of the House of Commons in general, abstract. and am . abstract of some official documents, to test their intern- will remember that the noble lord at the head of the go_ bigtione language. It was of importance that the people ruse,orr and to show that they are able to write and compose vernment said there were no complaints made of the de- should look on these resolutions with respect and reverence; ecti- ~ partments which were filled by members of the aristocracy, but if that respect and reverence were to be expected, the 0 0 , Y* jmonth is allowed for preparation on this examination. but that wher e com p laints were made the y w ere directe i resolutions should partake of a strictly practical character, In t h e Customs, at departments like the medical department and the corn- (Hear.) The amendment of the hon. baronet, the member tel,4 , Persons n om i na t e d to clerkships, upon presenting them - missariat, which were not filled by members of the aria- for Hertfordshire , began by recommendin g some pr a ctical t o es to take up their appointments, are at once required tocracy. Th a t was no t a w ise sp e ech, certainly, and the measere. He recommended to the earliest attention of ofr write from dictation in the presence of a properly-qualified senior surgeon of the hospital at Smyrna, in a speech her Majesty's Ministers the necessity of a careful revision ari ie e et or clerk, an d are e xamined in the p r incipal rules of printed in the public papers, appears to hive called his of our various official establishments. (Hear, h ear .) ti ol 7etic, and the first four rules of decimal and vulgar frac- brother doctors about him and made the following Well, if they were to enter a boat of that kind, it was a singular course, and not very convenient to adopt that 1 ,, speech :- , moue e .._ • "It may be very well for Lord Palmerston to get up in language, and to make that recommendation, without any . asowstididates are here "placed on probation" for three the House of Commons and say that the departments officered notice of the fact that, for the last four or five years, there , n s• In the Excise (Inland Revenue) office by the aristocracy have not failed in the recent trial, but that had been no progress, and recently there was completed a •te ar :is person is fully admitted as a clerk until he has been the medical department and commissariat have failed because searching and formal investigation of the public establish. ettei thi u s ,, ed and his proficiency has been ascertained in reading, their officers are taken from the middle classes. We can re- menus. Two blue books of respectable dimensions, - 'titr e t , vulgar frictions, decimals, bookkeeping by double t or t, and prove the truth of what we say, that, had we been taming the results of that investigation and revision,' were e sed'' e s writing from dictation, correspondence , geog ra p h y , left to ourselves, unchecked by the incapacity of those who presented to Parliament. He should like to know, if that I n thisi_e_history of the British empire." have risen rather by family infl uence than b y merit, it would de p artment of statistics were open to him, how many thi; " P ost -office the examination is very vague - penm an- no t have been under the pressure ofsa great war Prat reforms members had found time to make themse lv es masters of are, orthography, ,long , and arithmetic. In the Admiralty there - long since effected in our civil hospitals 'shim imitated their contents. The careful revision which the hon. ha_ ' tali lliar t's for the different subjects in which examination in som e de g ree b y our allies-would have been carried out ronet, the member for Hertfordshire, recommended to her 5,.,' Place, i including writing from dictation, precis writ- by our military medical brethren." •- Ifajeetv'e Ministers, was with a view to simplify and f ac i_ ,• "re4hinetic, E ng lish history, geography, Latin, and Sir, I admire the courage of a public servant tiebo can get Mate the transaction of public business, and by judicious tet is o h the total number being 300. Any one who can up and say this publicly and allow it to be circulated. tests of merit, as well as by removing obstructions to it s "life r IS qualified, and, therefore, if a person can obtain (Cheers.) But lam told that a better state of things is fair promotion and legitimate rewards, to secure to th e sacs writing from dictation, and 50 for precis writiug, he a pproaching. that there have beensuccesses, and that there service of the State the largest availe ble proportion o f th e ,n 1, 1 •4 70 Sith other tests. (Hear hear.) There is no exa- i s n o reason to fear any great disasters. No one is more energy and intelligence for which the people of this countev 1 10: atiryo f n o a r t the India Board, but appointments are proba- willing than lam to acknowledge the importance of the were distinguished. He hopeS he should not be t'uought one year. There are also no examinations at successes we have recently obtained. But are those sue- hypercritical if he stated that the allusion to the energy _The 8 1 1 e -office, the Foreign-office, and the Colonial-office. ceases so extraordinary that we are to be surprised at them? and intelligence of the people of England would find a ofh ee objects of examination in the Paymaster. General's I h a ve always believed that successes would be the inovi- more suitable place in the eloquent speeches of the hon. are. t table result if the two services, the army and the navy, baronet, than in the vote which he proposed to put into gars P ractice, ru l e of three _ d i rec t , i nvers e and double ; vul- had fair play, and if we sent the right man to fill the right the mouth of the House of Commons. 'His objection to s _ e ch as ' decimal fractions ; interest Purchase of stock , and Place. But do the successes we h a v e recently obtained the hon. baronet's amendment was its vegrieness and un 7ae e V writing f rom di c t a ti on ; a p r ecis or abstract of warrant us in concluding that, we are at the end of this meaning character. What were the 'judicious tests they 40 ex c!al. documents." war ? It is too much the habit of this country to express should apply ? Was he prepared to propose a distinct and And one time a despondency which is not justified bye vents, specific plan hey all concurred that the foundation of 43 % " l unation takes T place in the Office of Works, or the sour : 0f Woods and at other times a state of exhilaration whh is not some system fonthe promotion of the public service was e t ee te aes hand • . . he examination in . the Audit-office more justified by any successes that -w P, have obtained. absolutely necessary. But to go further, and make a high sit writing, English composition, and the rules 'k li ,. hmetic u The latter is the case at present. We have had some sue- sounding declaration to that effect, before they had a defi , in at e_ , pto Decimal Fractions. The subjects of ceases, but does that warrant the belief that the war will nite idea of its meaning-before they were prepared to . 1 , in in the Itegistrar-GeneraPs-office are - 4 iSY e • thereby be brought to a speedy and honourable concha. give effect to any substantial Oen, was not only an act of c u e g as f i r e o lis m u dc,ation ; 2, arithmetic ; 3, geography ; & 11 a l sttoi is thing sion ? Sir, I very much doubt it. - 1 warn the Govern- folly, but as between the members of that house and their ment that although it may be all verywell to divert atten- constituents, an act of dishonesty. They had no right to Ol,4deanc meant by " occasionally" Ido not know. In the tion from the question at'issue by means of these successes, make professions in the face of the country, until the sti oia, e-office there are no less than 13 heads of exami- yet that their influence will not last long enottgh to remove were prepared to reduce them to practice. The amendy , ~" 1 ! 3 , 01110 of which are very amusing- , that distrust which more and more prevails, and which ment intended to be proposed by his hon. friend the mem- Zdh Are " candidate i s ex p e cted to be able to read aloud w ill prevail. I warn the Government not to depend upon ber for Cork was not open to the criticism which h e (Mr. - Ore ct iO s Per emphasis and discretion-(a laugh); 2, to write these successes to remove the prevalent distrust, but upon Gladstone) had applied to the original motion, and . to 'i o oti r e s from dictation ;3,t0 be conversant with the cons- the reform of our public establishments. Reform them, the amendment of the hon. baronet the member for Ffert ,t.ts ; ,i' of arithmetic, including Vulgar and Decimal Frac- an d we shall have some chance -of real success. The late fordshire. That amendment was founded on principle. It e nty i f _ to be acquainted with bookkeeping by double Duke of Wellington came to the command of the army in prayed her Majestyto modify the Order in Council. recently ;,qaint ec i t tl . ) t ointed to an office of accounts ; 5, to be act the Peninsular under a state of things not very different instituted, for the examination of candidatesfor the public `,seghter sad cheers) ;6, to be able to write a letter from that which prevails at present. When he was sent to service. It was, in no respect, necessary to modify the make as _, cheers) [Lord Paraucasaox-' Go on"], and to Spain he had a commissariat to form and an army to organ- Order in Council . to give effect to that motion, for while re a Sa . abstract of correspondence. (Hear, hear.) 7, To ise, but, by his abilities, talents, and energies, he did what the order did nothing to interfere with the right of nonii ' t w t t tieh „T a i tten or viva voce opinion on an ordinary subject was required. He not only reorganised his army, but he fed nation, it left it open to the members of the Government, 1 "int i o 3 t r e , n ,e Proposed to him for the purpose of testing his the inhabitants of Portugal ;he opened a communication in whose hands the patronage was vested, to institute a will "Igettee.” with America, And obtained supplies from the remotest particular system of examination. With respect to the eta . not 1 4 'in at . tr ouble the house with the other tests, but . this parts of the world. Had we such a man now we should subject of administrative reform, he viewed the movement as it is, we ought not to with no regret, but with interest. It was not until he the lon seems to me, upon the whole, a very fair one. obtain the same successes. But, 'we , ss W ar - office- flatter ourselves that we are at theend of the war. I did not heard the speech of the hon. member for Aylesbury that l o ft e „s't gl e i greatest importance will be attache to superiority expec t that we should obtain peace on the terms proposed, he confessed he was able to form a judgment whether the a "'lye," g r ansmar, English composition, ad writine cor- because we had not obtained the necessary successes. But promoters had marked out for themselves a clear view of S'aeti al at dictati •s s i • • b • imp se further successes area cquired-suppose &baster- the remedies they meant to employ. The question of ad ter cal ac , on, an in ant metic to the extent of a se, Pose ° 1), slagett aad pulsar nce with . the Rule of . Three, Practice, In- poi taken-shall we be essentially in a bettir position for ministrative reform -it was a su . bject which he always re peace ? On the contrary, I fear our di s fficul- joined at when he found the public mind turned towards it a. and Decimal Fractions; a candidate will may witsehhteo_in indicate any book or subject upon which heincreased, and I warn the country not to be- and no person would bemore pleased than himself, if the th t he ~t' I be specially examined." important Have that our recent successes and honourable hon. member for Aylesbury would turn into practical tieswill concluding be Poor- entitle us to believe that they will bring us to effect, the feeling which had taken hold of the country ; , ex a ,.. -Law Board and the Board of Trade there as they are, te s , atin a ti oe are a a speedy and satisfactory peace. I believe th e war will be f or h e was conv i nce d that if they only gave it practicaldi too sto b e us. The examination in the Exchequer ap.• a long war, and that it will only be determined by such a rection, that great good would result from the movementof ,ti ee n , e verY fair, if prorlcarried out, and has been ° hal beu satisfacto b Lord M t le In the Na- reform of the whole of our system, military and naval, as the association. (Hear, hear.) As regards the civil de g' „ e h t , ofßee_ ry y on eag . will lead us to send those men to the seat of war who are partments of the public service, hethought that the system e st - tt • ca ndid • ated to a clerkship is subject to an ii ssio . ate/ nominated best fitt e d to carry on the war with due and proper effect. of competitive, free and open examination could be carried ,orrece4lear legible) • ty a ation to show If we d o not, the war will be either longer than we expect, out. Lord Panmure's intention to throw open to competi watihat. he can write with ease . and fact- or wo sh a ll i ncu r such disasters as wig compel us to make tion a number of military appointments, especially in the eke s , ' rn anne e h that he can copy in a fair and a peace which will not be honourable and satisfactory to Engineers and Artillery, was a bold measure on the partof 1, out r from manuscript or print, and manuscript Government that s s ta is selected and set before him for that so • that purpo ;. this country. Let us infuse into the . the Secretary for War-one for which he was entities Ito energy, that intelli worthy of a gence, that wisdom in chimed, which is much credit, not only because it involved a sacrifice of pa ,Zeigaee.,°°aPlete master . of arithmetic up to and including 'iad ' racti great people in the pressing moment of nu- tronan,e, but because it showed there was every disposition t'd of g eo ons; that he has a fair knowledge of history tional emergency. Cheers.) The hon. member concluded to look into the conduct of the public service with a view tee n 4. graPhy." by moving the resol u tions of which he had given notice. to secure its greater efficiency. Whether the experiment 1 1 4' 4 ° a ' n e tneeive how a man who is unable to copy from Colonel FREESTUN sa id , w ith respect to the statement as regarded military appointments would be successful wa s la d wled ge ' av e much proficiency in any other branch of in the public _p a y ers as to hi s not having been'present at a question which he could not solve. The revision of those _ , . .080 110 ed t 0 • • lsk laugh.) There are a few other offices al- the meeting or th e Ad m i n i stra t ive lute orm Association on establishments took place from a pitr . e love ofjustice, wit tiseln th e r as, . e n _return with which I will not trouble the Wednesday, he was surprised that :he hon. member for out euloey, and without an ressure from the Ho of y p . Use ' ..4.14 S .. e ls are the examinations now in existence, but Aylesbury should have presumed-should have dared to Commons.. (Rear, hear.) If he spoke of them it was 7 1 t eti s° 1 1 have a fair • of ointment these a a t: his • el means .er!wp Wexs g ues lon " ra cily- [Lord Goderich rose, •as several because te office he had held made the holder of it Lot sv "s are no test of qualification. etion. (Hear.) do bon. members called th e ga ll ant gen tl emen to order, alsPat more responsible for administrative ,tive reform, and finding er, at 't a inere e 'nation to enable a man after he has rently for th s e same p urpose, hut t h e no ble lord did not that it I d been regularly in force under his predecessor I "4l t 4l ' l)(, inted, tothe t f ' 4 8- a rk eo . enter ga es 0 a d e p ar t m ent ;we persevere-1 He asked the hon me tabor if either the ' mom- it was easy to make provision for their being la s at e an e rroination which will test the fitness of one leers for Plymouth, Mahl on • Gi ocester, B reco n, or Leeds I carried on. When they lied attained their Loom iele 14 7 r that of others who may apply for the office. were present at that meeting?statement ' pletioia when the hongentleman, With that ley, and the other gentleman engaged with him in that we the member for Dud hisletterthat they were not. a 'ni a .Is a 8 to whether there ought to be competing in . t R , :t atinns He H erese repeated merelythe w ep. itr enta , is one of considerable difficulty ; but the obj o ill labour, hadpresents:! ect, and he was perfectly content to leave gentlemen of f ts le e t io _ In their favour are I thit k, stronger than thegreater ability to deal with the shee r "to them. It is • l'that ifthe publi c • • ev e , n ° instil • said general su bj e ct now before tails of various offices-he (Mr. Gladstone) did, on the part of the Government of Lord Aberdeen, request Sir Charles Ito cry Part ° all you will be assailed by claimants from Mr. LAYA RD said he w t aid of th -be do • e country. Ido not dink much harmhad fallen from the hon. ued az extreme] surprised to bear Trevelyan and certain gentlemen who had a comprehensive clone if that were th gallant member. He experience of the subject, to draw np 1 tailed rt e case. An eminent French &dm ne t say t he gentlemen wore presest -he merely re- giving a general view of , the civil servi a ce t e And n r o e w po i' t been much that was faulty in their working, and it might be desirable to reconstruct their machinery on a new . prin ciple. All that was natural enough. But that such matters of detail should be perverted at a great public meeting, and made the subject of an inflammatory attack upon a particu lar class, was to his mind a very great misfortune. (Hear.) _A misfortune so great that he thought the house would, in the first instance, do well to try and see what were the causes, which gave to a question so harmless in itself so sini ster and so singular a tendency. Now, on this question it was, very important to observe the dates when the cry for administrative reform had assumed the shape which it now appeared in, and when it first burst upon them. That date was shortly after the accession of the noble lord the member j for 'Tiverton t o th e h ea d of threAdministretion. Parliament I had laid greatfault, whether rightly or wrongly, on the mem leers of the late Government. The belief in their errors was strengthened very much by the course pursued by the noble lord the member for the City of London, who applied first to Lord Aberdeen, and then to that house, to have one of his then colleagues, the Duke of Newcestle, removed, and the noble lord now at the, head of the Government placed at the head of the War Department. The people took up this view, an d th e D u k e of Newcastl© was ejected—the noble viscount at the head of the Government being re garded as a trustee, so i o speak, for the proper carrying on of the war, and for energy, reform, and vigour in all the public departments, more especially in that relating to mi litary affairs. Up to this time the Administrative Reform Association had never been heard of. Yet, but two weeks after the accession of the noble viscount to power, the country rang with the cry, Why ? He would tell them. Because the noble lord had disappointed the expectations which be had raised—because ho wanted decision and fore sight, qualities so essential in him who had the direction of public effairs. The noble lord at the head of the Go vernment had not even made up his mind as to the course he would pursue with reference to the Sebastopol Commit tee—the noble lord had so little decision that he could not oven make up his own mind on the subject. The noble lord invited the house to rescind their vote, and reminded them of the story of Richard li., and compared himself to Richard 11., who led a mob for the Purpose of drawing them away, and refusing them any promise which he had made them, and finding the house would be neither con tented with his blandishments nor satisfied with his illus tration, be then made a breach in the constitution, leaving three of his colleagues on the other side of the water. (Laughter.) The noble lord seemed to want foresight, decision, and earnestness of purpose. The first military expedition of Lord Chatham against Ro c h e f or t f a il e d , but the public w ere no t dissatised, because they knew it arose from no want of vigour in the Minister. But from the first, the noble lord at the head of the Govern meat led the people to believe he was trifling with the solemnity of the occasion, and showed a vacillation and a want of sagacity which reminded them much more of Lord North than of Lord Chatham. There was another conside ration. Let him ask the most, partial supporter of the noble ord whether the noble lord had not entirely failed to carry out the principle upon which his Government was con structed ? Why, Lord Panmure declared upon his appoint ment, not that he would carry out forthwith a vigorous and well-digested plan, or that he would reform that system of which the country complained—that the evils against which the public so loudly and so justly inveighed should be put an end to—that ho would pursue a course the op posite to that pursued by his predecessor—that he would institute a different state of things from an army without food, shelter, clothing, or medicine, in a condition which male humanity shudder —not at all, but that he would carry out the views of his predecessor, the Duke of New castle, to their full extent. Now if the views of the Duke of Newcastle were right, why exchange Newcastle for Pan mere ? All dispassionate men acknowledged the humanity and industry of the duke, and hoped he would have a place in the service of his country hereafter. The only fault which he was charged with was, that he had not fully attended to the condition of the army, and provided for their wants. But Lord Paninnre, so far from owning this or promising a dif ferent course, declared he would follow in the footsteps of his predecessor; and this, together with the language and the vacillating conduct of the noble viscount at the head of the Administration, excited the middle classes of the coun try, and made them declare and feel that there was no use in trusting to one Minister more than another—that all were ready to sacrifice the interests of the country to the conventional courtesies of a drawineeroom clique. They therefore declared that a sweeping change must be made, not only in Ministers, but in the whole system of Admini stration, and take the functions of the Executive into their' own uncompromising hands. And for all these daugers he held the noble lord opposite responsible. It was not until the noble lord came into office that the country was aroused, and by these public meetings threatened to take the business out of the hands of the Government. (Hear.) The people expected something more from the noble lord than levity and jokes. Well, then, he would put this question to the noble lord and his colleagues. Did they construct themselves into a Cabinet merely for the purpose of carrying out the measures of the last Go vernment? If so, how deeply had they injured the Duke of Newcastle—(hear, hear)—and how egregiously had they duped the expectations of the people. If the Government said they came into office with plans and with improve ments of their own, then why had they so greatly eulo gised the Duke of Newcastle, and without distinction praised all he had done? (Hear, hear.) Well, what had the Government produced ? They had promised some paltry reforms without embodying one single true prin ciple, or showing any evidence of inventive faculty. What the Government had proposed was not enough—they had launched the country into war without any plan, and without takihg any preparation for it. The noble vis count had exposed the country to great dangers. Was there a man who did not consider how serious were the consequences to the whole social and political systems in the present state of public feeling? Let him entreat the house to ask themselves if they could not see in the un happy direction which this movement had taken out of doors something highly dangerous; and what was of far more importance than any particular Government or mere aristocratic incapacity —a danger to the principle of re presentative Government. Those who debated this ques tion against the influence of party, and against the infln once of Parliamentary connection, could not be aware of the consequences which were likely to result. To judge from the language hold it was intended to make Ministers inOopendent of the influence and the opinions of party. That was the only way to interpret the language used out of doors, and the result would be that the Crown would be come as absolute as in former times. If these meetings did not mean to destroy Parliamentary parties, what did they mean? Theyexpected, perhaps, to bring Parliamentary pro ceedings into contempt. Let the house now see whether the Whigs could deny that ever since they came into power it had not been their especial character to make a marked distinction between themselves and the subordinate mem bers of their party. They drew around them a circle, which might be called their celestial empire, and to the four corners they banished their subordinates. During the last 20 years the public had seen this exclusive system of family government. A question was now raised against the go. veruing classes, which, be believed, was much exaggerated. He, however, believed that the dangers might be laid - to the door of the Government. He would do the noble lord the justice of saying that he thought ho was more disposed to break down the system of exclusiveness than the Go vernments before him—that he was honestly desirous to extend his range of selection ; and he thought that in one of his appoint ments—thepost of Chief Secretary for Ireland, • a post which required the union of firmness and ability, and the power of debating questions in that house—hehad been singularly fortunate. He (Sir E L. Bawer Lytton) believed that the public had grown tired of purely Whig Administrations, and sooner or later their doom would be sealed. Mr. Burke said that the Whigs of his time never had a majority in the country, but that they owed their position to dexterous management ; and at this time, they said to the Radicals, "Support us, or you will let iu those dreadful Tories," and to the Tories they said, " You inu , t hear with us, or those horrible Radicals will come in." He fully believed that this device was worn out. With regard to administrative reform, he thought that they must take this measure as soon as possible into their own hands —not in the gr tdual manner which the right hon. member for the University of Oxford had stated—but at once and for ever out of the hands of the agitators. He would not touch on the question of army reform, as he thought that were better to be separated from administrative re-. form, and to be made the subject of a distinct debate (Hear, hear.) As to administrative reform, the elaborate speeches of 'the right hon. gentleman the member for Ox for,? (Mr. Gladstone), and of the hon. gentleman who spoke secoid in the debate, would save him the necessi-y of quo tations from the valuable reports of committees of the house on the different subjects which come under that general head. He would, on the authority of those gentlemen, take it for greeted that there was an imperative want of a Iministrative reform. The hon. gentleman then named the principal administrative reforms which 'he wished to see immediately effected, and which, as far we could gather, were the following i—nameli ' a primary examitta tiln to be applied to all candidates for admission to the civil service ; a more judicious regulation of ea an s ; the institution of good-service pensions; the bestowal of the places and prizes in the service to those who belong to it; the consolidation of the several disjointed departments into a compact unity, so as to allow of promotion from one department to another; responsibility of the men ; merit as the condition of promotion; and that judicious steps should be immediately taken to secure that merit in the service, and to assure to it the rowarde which the service could afford. These were reforms which could be made, but they were such as required a vigour that the Go vernment had not shown, and a generous determination to induce merit and to encourage exertion. Now, as to the Treasury minute he was not satisfied with it, nor was the country ; and he would tell the Government why. The objects which were to be sought were, to pro cure the largest available amount of energy and intelli- ' gence for the service of the country, first, by means of competition, and next, by furnishing professional induce ments to those who were in the service. Tho Government had done by that declaration in the Treasury minute what would frustrate. those objects. They (lid not widen the range of candidates ; they still retained for the civil ser vice the character of a close borough ; and again they did not assure even those who became candidates of any of the prizes of the service. According to that minute, a man might have prepared himself for the severest examination, and yet find that, without any preparation or examina tion, a man might be put over his head. (Hear.) Again, he differed from the right hon. member for Oxford in thinking that these reforms ought to be introduced bit by bit, and that they should go dawdling on with our public establishments for the next 20 years. He was of opinion that, whatever reforms might be adopted, and whatever regulations for the encouragement of merit, and as a. sti mulus to exertion, these all should he applied at once to all our establishments, so that no new reform in ono might be contrasted with the lingering abuses of another. But in the course pursued by the Government they had only announced their desire to attract merit to the senior prac tical department, when another annouucenn ut followed immediately after that the three great prizes—the director general of stores, the director-general of contracts, and the assistant director-general of the army clothing department —(cries of " hear, hear")—had been given away to men much more connected with the Government than with the service. Nothing could be more injudicious at a time. when popular excitement ought to be allayed. than such audacious specimens of personal lavouritistn. (Cheers.) He sail he could not vote for the hon. gentleman's motion, because, independently of the objections to it which he had stated, he must connect that motion with the language used out of doors on the subject, aml he could not consent to sanction views and opinions which, apart from admi etrative reform, he must consider unsound in principle an l perilous in consequences. He was desirous that the house should express their opinion on the subject of administra tive refOrm. B u t lie was sorry to say that not th e l eas t dangerous character which b id been exhibited in the course of this aeitation—encouraged, too, by le n. members of the house—a' s the attempt that had been made to disparage the chanicam of the house itself. For himself, as acting with a party, were hi. views to amount to nothing but party objects, ho might consider it his interest to connive at that attempt, and conclude that that tribunal must be wrong which thwarted the purp ises of hi?? party. But he had found that the more familiar he had become with books and with mankind, the more deeply was the patrio- should be recollected, that the Government of Lord Aber deen did —without at all pledging itself to the particular opinions contained in that report—advise her Majesty to announce to Parliament that it was their intention to pro pose a great change with respect to admission into the civil service ; and though ho hail never had an opportunity of explaining, on the part of the Government, the particulars of that measure to the house, yet it was understood that they did involve the entire surrender of patronage in first appointments in the civil service. And here he felt it his bounden duty to say one word at least on behalf of the aristocracy. It was too much the practice to mix up weak ness and corruption in our administrative system with the aristocracy. He did not believe there was ever a Cabinet more az istocratically constituted than that of Lord Aber deen., Of fifteen noble lords and right hon. gentlemen who composed it, he was the only one whe could not fairly be said to belong to the aristocracy. For that reason he could speak with more free.loin on that subject, and say that the Cabinet, so aristocratically formed, did of itself conceive and intend to submit to Parliament, a plan for the total surrender of its patronage. He was bound to make one further declaration, that besides being the only individual of the Cabinet that did not belong to the aristocracy, he was also the only one who had no possible merit in the proposal; for the very plain reason, that he had no pa tronage to surrender. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) He would not venture to reason on the question of what re ception that house would have given to a proposal of that kind, if it hail been fully explained and debated there. But he thought their own consciences would bear them witness that it would not have been quite so easy to induce the House of Commons to accede to it. That, then, went a long way to acquit them. He did not wish to entrap the house into an admission that the de cision of Lord Aberdeen's Government was a wise, one. They could not wholly eradicate the principle of patronage, hut they could do a great deal towards it. In his opinion the country was in danger of being led astray by a number of feeble propositions of amelioration, which could lead to no useful result. They proposed one thing and another, but in general each was more feeble than the other. (Hear.) They said, for instance, " Why don't you examine candi dates for the civil service ? Examine them as strictly, as rigidly as possible, but don't throw overboard altogether the right of patronage." Well, they could not examine them severely, except under a competition. The Board of Inland Revenue was an example, in which the existing system might be s een i n action nailer its best form. It was an example of the advantage of letting the patronage come from the outside, and the rejection from within. On such a principle the evil was greatly reduced, and in the Board of Inland Revenue they had the best men of the public service of this or of any other country— the, growth of this or of any other system—and men whom he would defy the whole range of occupations in the country to ex cel or equal. But the question was with regard to cas es where the chiefs o f d epartments nominated to appoint ments under them. It was all very well to talk of rigid examinations in such cases, but no board of examiners dare assume the responsibility of rigidly examining such nominees. It . had been doubted whether the order in Council had reference to examinations for the civil service. Now he considered that he hiteself was, to a great extent, reponsible for that order in Council, and he considered the defence of it to rest on these particulars. It made the ex amination universal and public, though no doubt it had been the means of working hardships in cases where bona fide ex aminations came by surprise. There was another particular connected w ith the order in council whichwas worthyof notice and it was this—itopened thedoor to every other improvement There was uothing in it tending to stereotyye the presentsys tsrn of examination, but rather to relax it, if the objects were seen tobefully obtained. He confessed he must entirelygive in his adhesion to the hon.mernber forAylesburywhen he said, " MA° opeu admissions to the civil service ;" for he felt all other remedies would be imperfect and illusory. It was asked by one, " Why not dismiss all inefficient men?" On the other hand, the noble lord the member for Lynn gave as his opinion th•it all public servants should have the power of appeal. Now, if they wanted to give a last finishing strokeeto the public service it was that. (Hear.) If they wished to paralyse and destroy that service, they had only to establish the idea of a vested right in public Appointments, and adopt the plan of giviug an appeal to those who were threatened with dismissal. (Hear.) Then they heard other suggestions mentioned. They heard of probation," of " division into classes," and of " promo tion from division to division." Those, he was able to say, were merely remedies on the surface, and such little ped dling measures would not do. In a Secretary of State's office they might see the most beautiful arrangement of that kind, where men rose by 5/. and 101. a year, with as great a precision as if it were done in the scales of a gold smith. But that was not the true point. It was not the question of admission that ought to occupy them, but that of how to procure promotion by merit. Did promotion take place by merit now? In 20, or 50, or 100 cases, per haps there was one such. It was certainly a very rare case, and when it did occur it was from one or two causes— either that the merit of the individual was so obvious that it could not be ignored, or else that the chief of the depart ment lied more resolution or energy than usual, and set his face, like a flint wall, against all difficulties in the way of bringing it into full working order. Hence, too, they had seen some examples of conspicuous ability in the public departments. The constitution of officers in the civil ser vice was not favourable to promotion by seniority. Pro motion by seniority was looked upon as a vehicle for job ber e, and, therefore, there was a low tone pervading the civil service, though they could boast of excellent and ad mirable men. But, on the other hand, the duty performed was small, and the inefficient servants were overpaid, while the useful ones were under-paid, and hence the re sult was unsatisfactory, and discontent prevailed every• where. Then how was the system to be remedied ? It seemed to him that a great part of the fault lay in the admission originally, to persons being admitted, not by merit, but bffavour. Could they not make persons un derstand, though admitted by favour, that they could only rise by merit? If they entered by merit, it would 1;e natural for them to expect that they could rise only by merit, but coming in from any cause distinct from merit, they did not understand being put aside out of their suc cession to higher offices on the ground cf other man being better qualified. Lay open the civil service to all the world that could fulfil their conditions. Let them have a. suffi cient examination, and then, at any rate, whatever other evils they incurred, they gave it clearly to bo understood that those who came in did not got in or bold their offices except by merit. (Hear, hear.) in doing that they would change their whole system—(hear, hear)---and ho was sure, they would produce an atmosphere and a tone quite un known in the civil service, by the feeling which all would have that it was by merit alone they could be promoted. The bon. gentleman the member for Dudley had referred to the grievance of the superannuation, and he (Mr. Glad stone) thought there was something anomalous in calling that superannuation which was contributed to at too high a rate for such a purpose. (Hear.) But he understood that it was imposed in lieu of a reduction of salary, and had its origin in the time of Lord Grey. This he had learned from his right hon. friend the member for Carlisle. In 1831 there was a disposition to reduce _and cut down every public servant. In 1850 that disposition became so strong that the hon. member for Oxfordshire almost car ried a resolution in that house by which it would have bean determined to cut off 10 per cent. from all salaries under the civil service of the army.. That motion had been forgotten completely, and they had since heard of nothing hut the miserable ivadequacy of salaries in the public ser vice. Ho confessed he could not subscribe to that doc trine. Their good servants were certainly underpaid, and their bad ones overpaid, but the public in the aggregate paid the highest salaries. He requested the house would think this was a question which demanded great conside ration. The feeling which pervaded out of doors with re spect to our administrative system was such as the hon. gentleman beloW him had described; but he was equelly sure that it was easy t, prove that there would be a great deal of difficulty in attaining even to a loWer degree of perfec tion than that which was aimed at. He doubted whether tho system of patronage contributed, in the least, to the strength of the Executive Government. On the contrary, he thought it was their we ikness. He found proofs of that in the number of unsettled legislative questions that went on from year to year, produced and reproduced, in the form of bills ab indoned, one after another, and Rover arriving at a settlement. He maintained that the Execu tive Government—not this or any other particular Govern meat—required strengthening ; but he could not think it could be strengthened by patronage; bat oven if it could, he would regret the maintenance of such a system, for it was an unmixed evil. He granted they could not alto gether get rid of patronage; for though a system of exa mination, in proof of merit, might be very well adopted, for young men of 18 or 20, first entering the subordinate ofii;es of Government, it was not adapted for men of a later period of life to be chosen for the higher branches of administration. There must be a degree of responsibility in the choice of persons for the higher offices of the public service. As regarded first admissions, there was not, and could not he, any responsibility whatever. Nobody knew or cared who were the men who found their way into the lower offices of the Customs, or the Inland Revenue, or the Post-office, or the Secret ar i es o f St a t e ' s o ffi ces, or the don. Unless in cases of the greatest flagrancy, you m i g ht Treasury, or avy of the administrative offices about Lou. epeeirit the most indifferent men—and in a great many cases the most indifferent men were appointed. To get rid of such a system would be a relief, and a blessing to the country, It would be better economy to get good men, and give them better pay, than to have worse men at a lower rate. But beyond that it would do much for the general education of the country. They had three education bills now before the house, which showed the difficulties of the subject ; but he thought they could not devise any scheme so reffective as throwing open the civil service of the country. (Hear, hear.) The reform of the present system, therefore, wo u ld d o muc h for economy, it would do much for educati on , it wou ld d o yt,heitd also do efficiencywoul ef the public ser v i ce, an d , perm i t much for th e pu bli o v i rtue of the country. They, in that house, felt th a t th e pos iti on hmiumehto for s a of members themselves towards their constituents was not altogether satisfactory. (Hear.) Perhaps no person felt it so little as he did, because his constituency was not in a condition to become applicants for Government situations; but he spoke of what was a generally admitted fact, and that being so, a serious change as as desirabl e , if on l y f or the sake of that class who might be said to subsist on hope deferred. There could be no more unsatisfactory state of society than that which contained a class of expectants. Whenever en object was to be obtained there were ten or twenty people pulling all the strings whereby they thought they could get possession of it. That multitude of candi dates did not increase the number of offices to be obtained, but the vague idea that these offices were obtainable through interest led to an indefinite number of applicants, and thus kept a large class of persons in a state fatal to their true interests, and destructive of the manliness of their character. (Hear.) He therefore hoped the house would give their best attention to the consideration of this question, and although he could not support the motion of his hon. friend, yet he must say ho had listened to what had fallen from him, with regard especially to the diplo matic and consular services—he would not pronounce any opinion with regard to military appointments, of which he knew little—with the most sincere satisfaction; and he heartily wished they might bring about a change of the nature he had indicated, and which he believed would con fer a great and lasting benefit on the country. (Hear.) Sir E. B. LYTTON rose to move the following amend ment :—" That this house recommends to the earliest atten tion of her Majesty's Ministers the necessity of a careful revision of our various official establishments, with a v i ew to simplify and facilitate the transaction of public busi ness, and, by instituting judicious tests of merit, as well as by removing obstructions to its fair promotion and legiti mate rewards, to secure to the service of the State the largest available proportion of the energy and intelligence for which the people of this country are distinguished." The hon. baron e t, who was very indistinctly heard at the commencement of his speech, was understood to say that he did not complain of the tone of the debate in that house, but a very different state of feeling existed out of doors, for there had been no question in their time so simple in itself which had been encumbered by so dangerous an agitation out of doors as the motion which was now submitted for their consideration. (Hear.) It might perhaps be expected that after a 40 years' peace the departments connected with war would be found in a faulty state—there Might have tic spirit and the intellectual character of the house im pressed upon him ; and he must add, after an experience of twenty years, he could not recollect a. time when the house was more worthy of the respect and the confidence of the people, whether for the abilities whioh the mem bers had displayed, or, as he believed, the personal incor ruptibility of those of whom it consisted, or their zeal for the weal of the kingdom at large. He had shaped his amendment so as to bo free from all party spirit, in the hope that every member, whatever might be his party or politics, might zecord a vote which he could vin dicate to his constituents, and justify to his conscience. He hoped that the amendment which he had proposed would be fortud such as to conciliate the approbation of members on both sides of the house. (Hear, hear.) Mr. LABOUGHERE should not have risen had it not been for observations which he understood had fallen from Sir S. Northcote with respect to the appointment of Mr. Fonblaneue to the statistical departreeut of the Board of Trade. He (Mr. Labouchere) desired to take upon himself the responsibility of that appointment, which he thought was to be justified most completely, considering the high character of Mr. Fonblanque, and his remarkable statisti cal acquirements. He regretted that the member for Dudley should have thought it expedient ton'condemn the appointment during his (Mr. Labonchere's) absence from the house, ani without giving him the slightest notion of his intention. Mr. S. NORTHCOTE remarked, in explanation, that he was confident his right hon. friend had made his observa tions simply because he did not hear the speech about which he complained. He (Sir Stafford) had made no re mr-rk whatever against tho appointment of Mr. Fon blanque, beyond the observation that it was an illustration of individuals not previously connected with the civil ser vice beim.; appointed to the most important offices. (Hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he re. joiced that this question of administrative reform had been brought under the notice of the house. It was a question net only of great importance in itself, but one that had lately occupied a large portion of public attention. It was an easy and convenient practice for an association of gen tlemen agreed upon an important subject to call a public meeting, to which persons were admitted by ticket to se cure unanimity of sentiment. But when such a question as that of administrative reform was brought under the notice of Parliament, it underwent a searching investiga tion by persons representing all shades of opinions and sen timents. The motion which the hon. gentleman proposed embodied in it the question of administrative reform, but it was at the same time a vote of want of confidence in her Majesty's Government. The sentiments of the right hon. gentleman for Oxford (Mr. Gladstone) were not fully borne out when he said that that was only a theoretical question, the discussion of which would lead to no practical result. He begged to say that the practical result would b e th e resignation of the present cabinet. That was a practical question. It was practically a vote of want of confidence in her Majesty's Government. This was the second vote of this kind submitted to the house during the last fort night. A similar question had already been decided upon the negotiations at Vienna. In considering this question of administrative reform it was important to retain in view the distinction between the executive and the legislative duties of Government. In a popular Govern ment the two must always be kept distinct. The latter had a right to ask the i ir confidence, or t o as k t h em to withdraw it. It was impolitic to bring forward a vote of want of confidence, and if votes of this kind were brought forward, they must ask the house to give them a decided negative. This motion, in effeot, went to show that the public interest had been sacrificed to public feeling. Now, he would ask whether it was possible to exempt it from party and political influence? If they looked at the United States, they would see it carried to a much greater extent than in this country. When apolitical party in the United States succeeded to power, not only the political, but all the subordinate offices were filled up. In the most popular Government on the face of the earth, the change was much more complete than in this country, Then they come to the other question—namely, whether merit was sacrificed to political influence. It could hardly be denied that per sons should not be excluded from public offices by their connection with hereditary descent. If it was an honour to receive from the Crown rewards for distinguished ser vices i n civil and military capacities, then a conuexion with that class could be no disparagement. It had always been the pride of this country, that no distinct lice was drawn between the several classes of society, but it would appear from the argument of the hon. gentleman, that he supposed that the practice of appointing peers to high offices of state had increased rather than diminished of late years, but history showed that a large proportion of the offices hail at all times been held by the aristocracy. When Mr. Pitt, on overcoming the coalition of Lord North and Mr. Fox, came into office, he was the only commoner in the Administration. (Hear, hear.) He alone sustained the great struegle; but he was unsupported by a single com moner. That example showed the practice of that day. But the hon. gentleman next attributed the disfavour of the public to their want of efficiency in administrative ability. Well, he admitted that a blind adherence to routine trans formed the executive to a mete machine. Neverth e l ess , routine was necess ar y t o th e tran eaction'of all busi ness; for instance, how could the business of that house be con ducted without adhering to routine? It was the same with Government departments. He was unable to assent to this motion of the hon. member. With regard to the motion of the right honourable gentleman opposite, if the amendment WA S to be construed by its plain and straight forward meaning, not by the speech of the bon. baronet, he saw no difficulty. At the same time he must inform the house that a careful revision of the several public de partments had taken place of late years. The motion was not justified by any omissions of the Governments pre viously existing. He would call attention to the steps already taken for a revision of some of the principal de partments. (Hear.) In the year 1848 a revision of the Home Department took place at the time when his right hon. friend now the Secretary of State presided over that office. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was then Under Secretary. A revision took place, in which Sir Charles Trevelyan carefully examined the department. In 18-18 a revision of the department of the Treasury also took place. Sir Charles Trevelyan and Sir William Gibson Craig discharged the duty of inquiring in to the department. They made a careful examination, and various reforms were introduced into the department. In 184 a similar revision took place of the Colonial-oflice. Since that time, in nearly al! the public departments, extensive reforms were made, and the rule now was, that merit and qualification were the tests of admission to the public service. A recent order in council provided for the admission of candidates for situations in tho public service to a greater extentthan ever before existed, and their appointment would depend solely on merit, carefully ascertained by a severe and im partial examination. This was a practical proof of the in tention of the Government to secure the best men for the best places. He would only state his conviction that any practical measure for the advancement of Administrative Reform would meet his support, and he was sure the Go vernment would give any such measure their most careful consideration. (Hear, hear.) Lord GODERICH moved the adjournmeat of the debate whereupon the house divided, and there appeared For the adjournment ........................... 240 Againstit ........................................ 29 Majority for the ad journment...... —2ll The debate was then adjourned. CONSOLIDATED FUND (10,000,0000 BILL. The house then went into committee on this bill, and the clauses having been agreed to it was reported to the house. COURT OF SESSIONS SCOTLAND BILL. On the motion that this bill be read a third time, Mr. F. SCOTT moved that it bo read a third time that day three months. After some discussion, Mr. DISRAELI hoped Scotch members would not, in the first instance make inflammatory speeches, and then ti withdraw their opp os iti on, after wasting much valuable me. _ The bill was then ordered to be read a third time on Monday week. BILLS OF LADING (No. 2) BILL. The house then went into committee on this bill. On the 4th clause being proposed, Mr. BOUVERIE moved the omission of the clause. After same discussion, Mr. HENLEY, considering that the clause was of too much importance to be disposed of at that hour, moved that the Chairman should report progress, and ask leave to sit again, which was agreed to. THE EDUCATION BILLS. Lord PALMERSTON, in answer to a question by Sir J. Pakington, said it was not in his power to fix a day for the farther discussion of th"se bills, as the debate of that night stood adjourned till Monday. OFFICE OF SPEAKER. Upon the motion of Mr. WALPOLE, the following gen tleloen were nominated the Select Committee upon the Office of Speaker :—Mr. Walpole, Lord J. Russell, Mr. Disraeli, Sir G. Grey, Colonel Patten, Mr. Bright, Mr. Ellice, Sir W. Heatlicote, the Attorney-General, Sir F. Thesiger, the Lord-Ad vocate, Mr. Fitzroy, Mr. Baines, Mr. Freshfield, and Sir R. Ferguson. • The house adj ourne d at half-past 1 o'clock. - - HOUSE 6F LORDS —JUNE 15. The following is the majority of Peers who voted in favour of referring eeferring the Religious Worship Bill to a sel ec t com mi :— DUKES Nelson Gloucester Leeds Vane St. David's Cleveland Sheffield BARONS MARQUISES Beauchamp Berners Salisbury Macclesfield Sondes Bath visootucre Bayning Drogheda - Hawarden Redesdale EARLS Donerailo Churchill Derby Bisnors Lilford Hardwicke London Auckland Abergavenny Chichester Colville Talbot Meath Ravensworth Malmesbury Killaloe Colchester Wilton Kilmoro Tenterden Harewood Ripon Wynford Romney Hereford Feversham Powis St. Asaph Bateman Donoughmore Oxford The following is a list of the Peers who voted against Lord Derby's motion to refer the Religious Worship Bill to a select committee : The Lord Chancellor Granville DUKE Harrowb amoys BARONS y C Argyll Minto Clarina MARQUISES Somers Calthorpe Breadalbane Suffolk Congleton Westminster Spencer Leigh EARLS Waldegrave Mostyn Bessborough Middleton Burlington ViscouNrs Sale and Sole t Chichester Canning • Stanley of Alderley Fortescue Falkland Wodehouso Fitzwilliam Sydney PAIRS. FOR. - AGAINST. Earl of Du r h am. Duke of Cambridge Earl of Strathmore Lord Monteaglo Earl of Erne Lord Vivian Viscount Canterbury Lord Poltimore Viscount St. Vincent Lord Glenelg Earl De la Warr Lord Portman Earl of Lanesborough Earl Fitzhardinge Lord Forest er Earl Cowper Earl of Cardigan Earl of Sefton Bishop of Wor ces t er Lord Foley Duke of Bucki ng h am Lord Broougham Bishop of Lin co l n Earl of Abi ngdon Duke of Northumberland Earl of Ellenborough Duke of Buccieuch Earl of Gosford Earl of Beverley Crem e Lord Kenyon . Lord Airlio me Lord Bant ry Earl of , Earl of Br a df ord Lord C rewe Lord Lyndh ur-t Lord P anniure Earl of Jer sey Lord Enfi e ld Earl of S car b orough Earl of Haddington Earl of Clarendon Earl of Eglinton Earl of Luea n Lord Plu n k e t Lord Campbell THE STUN - .LONDII, SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE l6 1855, COUNTRY VARKETS. LIVERPOOL— •JUNE 15. The corn exchange this morning was thinly attended by millers and dealers, whose purchases were restricted to im niediate requirements for consumption. The following re duction may be quoted :—About 2d per bushel on wheat, 19 to is 6d per sack on flour, and is per qr. on Egyptian beans. Oats, barley, and oatmeal were ve)y dull of sale. Indian corn about is decline from Tuesday, making the reduction from this day se'nnight is 6(i per qr. W—JuNE 15. The corn - trade du AKEFIL II and i n active during the week, caused by the fine growing weather ; supplies moderate. The re duction in the price of wheat has induced several holders to withdraw their samples; millers still act cautiously, and we quote prices is to 2s per qr. lower than'on this day se'nnight. Barley the turn dearer. Oats and shelling without variation. Beans as before. Little doing in other articles. EXETER—JUNE 13. CORN.—In our market wheat may be quoted from 9s 3d to 9s 9LI. lialting barley, 4s Gi to 5s Od ; gr i u di ng d o., Os Od to Os OL . Oats, 3s 'Od to 4s Od. Beans, Os Od to 03 Od. Peas, Od to 00s Od. FLOUR. 7 --Fine, 56s Oil to 5Ss Od ; seconds, 51s Od to 563 Cd per sack. dATTLE.—Prime beef, 12s 6d per score ; cows and calves 101. 00s to 161. ; butchers' calves, 5(1 to 5: . ' 2 d per lb., rearing calves —s to s each. Sheep, 6d to Bd. Lambq, Od to Od per lb. Store hogs, large size, OOs to 008 each ; slips, 00 3 to 00s ; small, OOs to 00s. Rough fat, 4.id per lb. Pork carcases from lOs Od to 10s 6tl per score. INVERNESS.—JuNE 12. Con-N.—Wheat white, per qr., 74s Od to 76s Od. 'phßar ley evalier, 31; Od to 328 Od ; ditto, common, 30s Od to 31s Oats, Zig Od to 32s Od. EAL. Oatmeal, per imp. boll 24s Od to 25s Od ; ditto second, 008 Od to Os Od ; barleymeal , 16s 6tl to 168 841; peasemeal, 168 6d to °Os Od; bran, per stone, Os Bcl to 9d ; Ist flour, per 2801 b, 575 Od to 60s Od. • 2d ditto, 48s Od to 00s Od; oatmeal, best, per st of 2 141 b imperial 28 21 to Os Od ; ditto second, Os Od to . Os Od ; barleymeal 18 8d to 008 Od ; peasemeal, is 10d to Os Oil ; Ist flour, 3s 0d cash, 3s 6d credit ; 2cl ditto, 281 6 d cash 2s 9d credit. ---- BRISTOL SU GAR--.TurrE 15. The market has been quiet this week, the sales not amounting to more than from 2bo to 300 hhds. of West India. Prices the turn in favou r of the dealer. Manufac turers' produce meets with a moderate sale, but late cur rencies were barely supported. 8. d. COAL MARK :T•-JIINE 15. ;he close of the market. Prices of Coal per ton at t s. d.' Bate's West Hartley 17 6 Aze Buddle W. Hartl e y lB t Lambton W '..—allsend, . ... "0 Hasting's Ha r tl ey lB 6 North Hetton . ........... 19 0 9 Holywell lB 0 Pensher ... .. ... ... .... .......... 19 0 .... . 18 ' 6 .. . . ............ North Percy Hartley l7 6 Plummer ..... Tanfield Moor l5 6 Richmund .. . ........ Tanfield Moor But es 15 61Russell's Heiton ......... 18 6 .. W y la m 'l7 o South Hetton ..... ... 19 9 ......... 20 6 1 H artl epo ol ................ 20 0 Wallsend, &c. Hough Hall. Acorn Close lB ( Kelloe • . .... ............... 1 8 3 ................. 19 G osforth l7 9 1 Tees ........................ 20 3 Harton lB 0 r Trimdon .. . ................. 18 0 Heaton Rid dell l7 6 How ar d' s West Hartley Eden Main 19 3 Netherton ... ... .. . .... 18 Br addyll Kepler Grange 19 3 Ships at market... 126 I Sold . ........ 99 COURSE OF EXCHANGE.-YESTERDA.Y. Amsterdam ..... ••• • .. 11 18 1 4 Gibraltar • Ditto, three months .. 11 19% Leghorn .......• • • ••• • 29 90 Rotterdam —.... •..... 11 19% Genoa ..... • 25 45 Antwerp 25 40 ...• Brussels ...• • • 25 40 Venice .... • Ilambargh ...... •• • • 13 7 'Naples • . 444 Alton& •• .. Palermo . 131% Pari5........ Ditto, thre ......... 25 17% 'Messina ... 1 32 Marll months .. 25 37% Lisbon •• • • 5314 Bourdeanx eies • • 25 37% Oporto .......... ••• • • 53% , Rio Janeiro ••• -- Frankfort-on M aine •• .. 118 1 4 , Buenos Ayres. Berlin •• •• New York,6o days' sight Vienna.... Va........ •• 12 24 i Philadelphia .... •• .. ri .......... 12 25 , ' PRICES OF BULLION, PER o. Petersburg .......• •• 35% I Foreign Gold in Bars £3 17 2 9 Madrid 49% Portugal G o ld C o i n -. 0 0 0 Cadiz ....• •• • ..... 50% Mexican Dollars ...• 00 0 Barcelona .....• ••• • • . 5evi11e ...... , New Dollars 0 0 0 ...... •. Sliver in bars • .... 0 5 131 NAVAL AND MILITARY INTELLIGENCE. ADMIRALTY, JUN E 15. daThe following promotions and app o i n t ments have this y- taken pla ce : Lieutenant Henry Frederick M`Killop, of her Majesty's ship Snake, to be Commander ; Second-Master N. B. Her bert to be Master; Assistant-Paymaster Sydney E. Wright to be Paymaster; Assistatft-Engineer Ist Class George Wilson to he Acting Chief Engineer of the 3d class. To be dated May 21. Lieutenant John F. C. Mackenzie, of her Majesty's ship Miranda, to be Commander. Gunner 3d Class John Roberts, of her Majesty's ship Ardent, to be 2d Class Gunner. Lieutenant Cecil W. Buckley, of her Majesty's ship Miranda, to be Lieutenant and Commander of the Snake, Tice Lieutenant Hugh T. Burgoyne, of her Majesty's ship Swallow, to be Lieutenant and Commander of the Wrangler. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. NE VVTON RA CES. —THURSDAY. The Newton Purse (in lieu of the Drawing-room Stakes an nounced for this day) of 25 sovs, added to a Handicap Sweepstakes of 3 soya each, for all ages. One mile and a quarter. 8 subs. Mr. Calder's Haxby, 4 yrs, 7st 3lb (car. 7st 4lb Mr. Robi nson ' s Bi lly Richardson (Aldcroft) , 6 yrs . Sst . 1 Mr. Moseley' s Romeo, 5 yrs, 7st 51b rs, ............... .T . Cli ff) 3 Preston Strike..( 81b (G Oates) 2 The following also ran— Q ue stionable, Prince' s Mi xture, Petting-7 to 4 agst Haxby, 7to 2 agst Questionable, and 4to 1 agst Billy Richardson. A fine race in with the first two, Haxby winning on the post by a short head ; three lengths between the second and third. Preston Strike was nearly a distance behind. The St. Helen's Purse, of 50 sovs, added to a Sweepstakes of 7 soya each, 3 ft; two-yr-olds, 6st 81b ; three, Bst 101 b ; fillies allowed 31b ; winners once before starting, 31b ; twice, 51b extra. The owner of the second horse to receive back his stake. Half a mile. Thirteen subs. Mr. E. Pan's Stork, 2 yrs, Est 13Ib (including 51b extra) (Quinton) 1 Mr. Halford's Goldhill, 2 yrs, Est Slb ............... (T. Cliff) 2 Mr. E. Buckley's Sister to Mrs. Rigby, 2 yrs, 6st 51b (Thorpe) 3 The following also ran :—Heir of Lynne, Eve, Announce ment, Duplicity, Kitty, and Arabia. Betting-5 to 2 agst Goldhill, 3to 1 agst Stork, 4to 1 agst The Heir of Lynne. Won cleverly by half a length ; the second beating the third a length ; Heir of Lynne was a bad fourth, Kitty fifth, and Eve sixth. The Great Newton Handicap of 200 sovs, added to a Sweep stakes of 5 soya each. Certain penalties. The owner of the second horse to receive 201. out of the stakes. One mile and a half. Twenty-one subs. Mr. Palmer's Lurley, by Orlando, 4 yrs, 6st 4113 ...(Qninton) 1 Mr.cArried T. Parr'6st 81bs Saucebox, 3 yr s , 6st 71b, includin g l n lb extra, .......................................... (Cjement) 2 Mr. Fliut o ff' s Whalebone, 5 yrs, Cst 91b ( Bates) 3 Mr. Math er ' s S t. Clare, 4 yrs, fist C Mr. J. S co tt' s L ouvat, 3 yrs, 4st 111 b (carried 4st (T. 121 b) liff) 4 Mr. Norto n ' s V an W inkle, 3 yrs, sst 111 b (W. (For Du lham) 5 nn) fell Betting -6 to , 4 agst Louvat, 4t o 1 ags t St. Clare, sto 1 agst Saucebox, 6to 1 apt Lurley. Wou rather cleverly by half a length. Three lengths betvveen the second and third, and a head between the third and fourth. Pace severe throughout. Selling Stakes of 3 sovs each with 30 added ; for three-yr-clds and upwards ; optional selling weights. One mile and a distance. Eleven subs. Mr. Calder's Haxby, by Poynton, 4 yrs, 7st 121 b (301.) Mr. Dawson's Chisel, 3 y rs, 7 st 131 b (301.) (Aldcroft) 1 (B 2 Mr. Norton's na Cas s i o , 5 yrs, 7st 131 b (301.) Waddington) ) 3 The following als o ran :—Mountain Maid, Vivid, The Ba ronet, Criterion. Betting-2 to 1 agst Chisel, 2to I agst Haxby, sto 1 agst Cockspur. Won by a head. Bad third. The winner was bought in for 101 guineas. The Warrington Handicap of So sovs, for two-yr-olds and upwards. Mr. Morris's Comfort, by Birdcatcher, 4 yrs, Sat (Basham) 1 Mr. S. Smith' s The Cripple, 4 yrs, 6stllb (T Cliff) 2 Mr. Mathe r ' s R ose, 3 yrs, sst 101 b (Walt ers ) 3 The followin g a l so ran : —Littl e Nell, Cigarette, Parn m , Anniversary. ppletheoruto i" n agsßteßottingeg,-73toto11aognstCaonmlootrth,er5. to c l o a in gs fo t rt Th m e Cripple, all ring, and won very easily by a length. Same distance be tween second, third, and fourth. FRIDAY. • The Two Year Old Selling Stakes. • Mr. Moore's b f by Mountain Breeze, by Storm (20 soya) Mr. E. Buckley's b f Sister to M rs Ri g b y, 7st ( 1 (201.) )(Thorpe Fordhami 2 Mr. Whitaker's b c Salmon, 7st 31b (20/.) ......... (Munday) 3 The following also ran :—b f Sister to Noddy, hr f An winner' • w w as nouncement, br f Prince's Mixture, ch f Eve, br f Baro ness, br f Magic Spell, b f Little Nell, and Lady Florence. Stakes of 10 sous each. Betting-2 to 1 agst Sister to Mrs. Rigby, 4to 1 agst M ' tain Breeze, 6 to 1 agst Magic aSbpbeille.r or W s o il n . i b s y aa a e lengths between first, second, and third. The Isaac, s c t k 1 . ° 2l t b °. xi bo i ng .. E h . t p in arr f Tb 7 Bo s b i r O ycin g s u et i o n pr e a z k . bystako ................................. (Aldcroft) 1 Mr. Halford's br c Fisherman, Bst . li; (including 51b extra) Betting—Even on Tilly, 2to 1 asst ............... (Barham) 2 Mr. Morris's b f Tilly, Bst 9lb ~ . ..(Whitehouse) 3 a length between second and Fisherman. Won by a head ; s an b dic e a The Grand Stand Cup of , Stork and 3to 1 rgst PEoxfmsouth, by • 6st third. s 01v0sOesseobv.s for rn allsp specie), added to a Mr. Faweetlit' (carried Est 11b) ... Collingwood, 3 yrs, ....................................... (J. Gill) 1 • • ' Mr. Williams •s br c Bolton, yrs, 7st (Bates) 2 Mr. T. W. Redhead's b h Dear Me 5 yrs, 7st 71b (Aldcroft) 3 The following also ran:- Catherine-' Parr, Hercules, Eulo gist, Venison, Van Winkle, Medal, Timotheus, Nell Gwynne, Steelyard, and Roving Betsy. Bd tting-3 to 1 agst Hercules, 9 to 2 agst Catherine Pair, 5 to 1 agst Dear Me, 9 to 1 each agst Exmouth and Eulogist, 10 to 1 each agst Steelyard and Venison, and 12 to 1 agst Bolton. Won in a canter by two lengths, the same between second and third, and a neck between third and fourth. Run in 2min. 12sec. The Ashton Handicap Plate of 50 sous, for all ages ; half-a mile. . Mr. Morris's I) f Comfort, by Bird catcher, 4 yrs, Bst (Bashrli) 1 Mr. T.W. Redhead's br h Dear 31e, 5 ym, 6st 131 b (Thorpe) 2 Mr. Clark's b f Cimicina, 3 yrs, (Ist 71b .......... ..(Rothery) 3 Br c by Blaekstrap, Anniversary, and Th e Lady Alz;bess also ran. B ett i ng -4 . to lon Comfort. Won easily by two lengths ; a l eng th between second and third. Th e Selling Plate of 50 sovs was wou at t hree Feats by Kitty White, beating six others. A Constantinople letter of June states that At , d-el Kader hag accomp an i e d his mother and his wife as far i.rimage. :Is Constantinopl e , on their way to Mecca, on a pil- i ; In Pe ro 1 11 ' tb e ;o'3 if ). til l° 31 0, I 0 ■ I