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;t, Counsel shoed be heard on both sides, and :witnesses examined, previous to the second read big of the Bill., His Lordship previously observed, that if the day proposed was inconvenient to the Queen, he trusted her Majesty's Counsel would make application without delay for further time. The Earl GREY--My Lords, agreeing that. every _consideration arising out of this case re quires that it should be 'proceeded hi with the ,-least possible - delay,. it appeareto, me thkt - this object would be .much more effectually answered, by communicating to the Q.uten the substance of the charges againsther-Majesty, anti a list of the witnesses:who -are to be ekarnined 'in -support of those charges ;' a proceeding alsc; which, .in my mind, the'substantial justice of'the case requires. But with regard • to the course proposed to be adopted, if what I haVe suggested is not agreed 'to,,it*.rnust be 'evident that when the witnesses - for • the -accusation" have been examined, the Counsel for the accused olcourse, require time to answer the ease for the accusation, and thus a new delay, and perhaps a most inconveni • ent ono, will Whilst; if a list of the wit nesses for the accusation is, in some way or'other, communicated to the Queen, her Majesty's Law Advisers may be prepared to answer the case for the accusation, as Soon as than case•is concluded, and thus the proceedings may go on without in terruption, and with the least possible delay. • The Earl of Livmtroor,,---I. do not mean now, my -Lords, to go into the discussion' of the point suggested by the Noble Earl, respecting the communication of a list of- the witnesses for the, accusation to the' Queen, but 'if that point* is ar gued, -I shall be prepared- to slew, that to do what the Noble Earl suggests would be establish ing a most inconvenient precedent ; and I have no doubt, I .shall be able to satisfy your Lord ships, that these are, a number of circumstances - which render su c h a communication utterly inex pedient, and cont'ra.r ran the essential forms of this Rouse. -Certainly if I . am to choose between giving a list of the , witnesses, to the Queen, and going on with the: proceeding without the least delay on the-one han-4, .and on the other, refus ing to communicate sticli'll?t,.atid allowing, after the case has been gone - throngl;fOr the accusation, whatever further delay inaY, - ;be required for the defence, I shall, without ;hesitation, prefer:the, • latter course. - :, _ Lord ROLLAND-r-jt appears to me, my Lords, that according to "the usages and the Standing Orders of thiS House, not - merely of nesses, but that copies df all the depositions contained in the Bag ought to be Communicated to - the - - Queen's Counsel. His Lordship moved the - reading of a Standing,.oj.deri. - • dated the 3d April,. 1624,. respecting die" communication of depositions to persons - accused in . that House, and referred - to the proceedings in — the IMolise of Lords - at that period - against the Lord TreaSurer Middlesex, for the•purpose of she - wing that positions taken before a Secret Cornniittee Were communicated to the accused -; there was, bow ever,-he admitted, some doubt :to the - date Of the Standing Order which made a•Material -dif ference-aS to its audio - 1-11y. Ills Lordship pro •Ceeded to - argue, that by' all the analogies of legal - proceedings the depositions" taken before the - Secret . Committee ought to be communicated 'to - the Queen's Counsel' (as - he sit - pposed they must be also to the - Attorney-General); or at any rate they ought to be communicated to the Jtidges who attended, it being - well - known that in all criminal trials in the 'Courts beloW the Judges had the depositions taken before the - Magistrate who - committed the party accused communicated to them, by which means they were enabled to detect any contradiction between the evidence given by witnesses on the trial and the depositions by the same witnesses before the committing Magistrate. This seemed to be the course also' Which the justice of the case re- quired. The Earl of LIVERPOOL declined arguing the question at the present moment, observing, that the proper course would be to give notice of a motion upon the subject, when it would come re gularly under discussion. His Lordship referred to the case of Bishop Atterbury, in the Jour nals; for the purpose of sheaving that the appli cation of that Prelate for copies of the docu ments 'which had been given in evidence against him before a Secret Committee was refused. With regard to the depositions in the present case, the communication of copies of them was not of that importance that the Noble Lords seemed to think; the whole' of the evidence in this case must necessarily be real, and subject to examination, 'to cross-examination, and to re..- examination, as in other cases where real evi dence was examined. Lord HOLLAND admitted that the Noble Earl had shaped his course in a considerahle degree according to precedent, but still contended that the substantial justice of this cise required that copies of the depositions should be communicated as he had before suggested. Lord I'I,LLENBOROUGII considered the Nob'e Lord as inconsistent in the opinion - he now ex pressed with his former sentiments, as he would now make the whole House acquainted with the contents of the Green Bag, although previously the Noble Lord considered that the Lords who formed the Secret Committee would be, by the bias their minds acquired through becoming ac quainted with the evidence, incapacitated 'from forming a right judgment in any judicial investi gation of the case. It should be-recollected that their Lordships were invested with two charac ters, that of hereditary Councillors of the Crown and of Judges in Parliament, and it was impossi ble to conceive that'the Constitution would have placed them in a situation in whith their giving advice to the Crown, which they could scarcely refuse when called upon for it, should incapaci tate them from acting as Judges in Parliament. Lord HOLLAND defended himself from the charge of inconsistency, observing, that the Noble Lord had entirely misunderstood him, he (Lord Holland) never having stated any wish that the documents alluded to' should be communicated to all their Lordships; all his object was, that sub- stantial justice should be done, ar 4 d this he con tended could only be done by communicating the substance 'of the depositions to the accused: Lord ERSICIIIE...M - Lords, much as I ,always desire to hear my Noble _Frielid on the right, a:in not sare_A should - have glien way to, hhn, if I had not expected it would have been more. to _the matter MONT before us. He. sa.y.s_that_we have two characters, that of hereditary . Counsellors', and Legislators also, and that if looking at the evidence secretly in the former character, dis qualified us for sitting in judgment on it aft&- wards, no such Parliamentary jurisdiction should haVe ever existed ; but to.that it can be only an swered, (and I am delivering no opinion on. the point), di& if looking at the evidence' secretly, affects the judgment, as it is impossible to change the nature of .the human mind, the practice of the Constitution should be altered. But that is not the question . now—the Committee has made its Report---a Bill has been brought in---it has been read a first time, and the 17th of August has been appointed for the second reading, and the only matter to be considered at present is, how we are .to deal with it most consistently with the honour and-character of the house, with the clearest safety to the accused, and in a ,manner the rnoFt congenial to the feelings of an enlight ened people. My Lords, the proceeding is so rare, Or rather so anomalous, that it may be .fictitt to find a precedent that may exactly apply: to it ; but I wish to lay aside precedont ;ether for a more satisfactory rule of decision,. viz. for that mode of proceeding which is the most analogous to the general principles of . our Crimi nal Lai;, m a case the nearest to the present, and which will hold the scales of justice the most even between the accuser and the accUsed.. Your Lordships must anticipate that excellent Statute of King . William for the protection of per Sons ac cused of High Treason, which gives to the accus ed, even before the Court is opened, a copy of the indictment, and a list of all the witnesses who are to be examined for the Crown. What is the principle of this admirable law which thus bestowS a privilege which in ordinary cases is denied? It is, my Lords, because in such a case the prisoner has not to contend with an equal accuser, or with equal securities against justice. It is because he is to contend with mighty power, which is wisely vested by the law, but which'de mands a balance; and he is therefore covered all.-,oVer with the armour of the Jaw. Now was there ever a ease more clearly of this de scription ? Ido ndt mean to speak invidiously, or to make any charges ; but only to point out the situation of the Illdstrious Accused. She has to c . ontendagainst the Crown and its Minis .ters, and against- all the powers and influences they possess. - In such .a case, my-Lords, putting all right' or .precedent :out of - the . qtiestion, I would most earnestly advise . your.. Lordships to give the list of 'the witnesses,unleSs yein can shew Me who offered *You this advice, 'tin:t by doing so-you would disturb the balance of justice, and; confer a power to weaken and disappoint the ac cusation, however just. Shew me this and L ani silent, but you cannot show this without being.' prepared to repeal 'the Statute of King William, because I ask even less than by that Statute is compulsOry off the 'Crown. After the list of - the witnesses in a case 2f MO treason has been delivered, though a fatal omission is after wards discovered, it cannot be repaired ; and the witnesses; though by accident omitted, cannot be examined ; but in a case so anamolous; and where there 6410 law to demand.such proceeding; it ought not to be required ; but what objection then re mains to a list of those that have at present been determined on? The Noble Earl has said that he should prefer a proceeding without interrup tion, but that if the illustrious accused, after the witnesses for the Bill had been examined, should desire- time to contradict them, God forbid it should be refused; but that indulgence might come too late. The list of the. witnesses is given, not merely that those for the Crown may be con tradicted, but that,'under cross-examination, if they are false witnesses, they may be made to contradict themselves. My Lords; I pray you to consider this....-The 'Noble Earl has said that the question is not closed, and that it may be reconsidered. It appears to me to 'deserve re consideration. We are placed in the view of the publics -and I- know we shall fulfil our duty: The judicial character of the Honse of Lords supports' all -the other tribunals of justice, and the attend ance of the . Judge's would be of no value here unless our . superior character were held sacred by the people, -which I hope and trust they ever will be. My LOrdS, have not made these ob seivatiOns from any desire to disappoint or ob struct. the course we are engaged in. When the Court assembles I will do my duty, as if all the angels in heaven were taking notes of whatever paSsed through my mind on the subject ;. but I - wish 'to •be placed - in a' situation in which I can do this duty' with safety. The LORD CHANCELLOR gave the Noble and Learned Lord credit for the 'profession he had made of keeping, his mind free from all bias on - this important subject, and wished to God that the same rule of justice had 'been attended to both in the House and out of it. In the House it- certainly was attended to, hut out Of the House • it was quite Shocking to see hoW much it was .neglected. The Noble and Learned Lord had stated no analogy, except the case of Iligh Trea son, Old' even that he must give up on looking at the circumstances which established the distinc tion between them. .''Hoiv did 'the law now stand with respect to High Treason ? lie remembered in the course of his- professional life, furnishing to persens accused, a list of two hundred persons and upwards who were to be examined as wit nesses, for the law,' as it then stood, and now stands, no person could examined whose name was not inserted in the list of witnesses., The consequence to be apprehended, therefore was this, that if a wit ness f or the - defendant swore that their Lordships had all attended the treasonable meeting, not . one of them' could be Called to con t r adict the , witness, if ' his - name was not in the list. T hat was not the case in such a pro ceeding as the present, so that the analogy must fall to the ground. in fact, unless they were prepared to strip the House of all its functions, unless they were preparedlo - say, 'that no Select ,or General. Committee could precede such as Bill as the present, ,without incapacitathigthe Com mittee or the_Hatise from legislating the Bill, , Aliele:Was no wejght in.the„objeclisuis nq i ed on the-other sae. the.inquiry.was to-be public,. and God forbid that it shouldnot, he would ask for the production of a single instance in which a list of witnesses was given to the defendant. It might be proper to postpone the-bearing of the defence, not merely because it was regnested, but because it might be necessary, and he was confident every man.would say, as he should, that the evidence ,must not go on until an opportunity was given to ascertain the characters of those who were . exa mined. This was,a_ case to be . decided by.general principles, alone, . and he WoUld ask their Lord ships whether, if they were to establish such a precednt now, they could proceed in future in the sane manner, which their ancestors had done up , to the present day ? . The third Resolution was then agreed to, as Were also five others, in substance as follows 4•- That Counsel should be heard on the second reading in - support of the Rill. , • 5. That the King's Attorney-General should be informed oetbis•Roolittion. e. That the House should be called over at ten o'clocli in the. nut nin, on the 17th of August. The LORD CJIANC.P.I.Oft said, on the passing of this Resolution, .that it was scarcely neces-: sary for him to observe, that the Order would. be . enforced. 7. That t;‘) Lord should absent himself from the House, without leave, during the prOgresS of these proceedings. 8 That the Lord Chancellor sbould . be directed to s.nd let ters to all absent Lords, to acquaint them that the House. was to be called over on the 17th a August. Lord ,ERS"kINE afterwards moved to take the qUestion for affording a list of the witnesses to her Majesty into consideration on 'Friday, which was agreed to.—The House then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. ----.... Mr, BLACKBURN presented Petitions from Bir mingham and Manchester, praying for a free trade.---Laid on the table. The Irish Tithe Leasing. Bill went through a Committee, the Report was received, and ordered to be taken into further consideration this - day - six mouths, and the Bill ordered to be printed. The Report of the London Militia Bill was received, and. the Bill ordered to be recommitted to-Morrow. SIR WILLIAM MANNERS. Sir ROBERT HERON stated, that he understood Sir Wm. Manners had surrendered himself into custody, and that he, and Hugh Manners and William Atter, had. been in attend ance this day-to give evidence. Knotting that the twolatter witnesses were no longer wanted by the Committee, and find ing that in offending as they had done they bail acted under orders, and not front their own impulse and authority, he thought that they were fit objects for the lenity of ;he House. Armstrong Jars-is had already been sent to lewgate, and he believed that he should shanty have to present a Petitient from that individual, throwing himself upon the commisera tion of the House. On the subject of Sir Wm. Manners, it was not - his intention to make a motion. •He should only move, that the Order of-the Day . commanding the attendance of Hugh Manners and Atter, be read and discharged,--- Agreed to. • The order having been read and discharged, Mr. WYNNE moved, that Sir William Manners having ab sconded- to avoid'being taken into custody pursuant to the Order of the House, be, fur the said offence, committed to his Majesty's Goal of Newg,ate, and that the:Speaker du issue his warrant accordingly. •Sir JAMES - GRA:HAM contended, that it appeared from the evidence givers That Sir W. Manners had left Buclintinster before the subject bad begun to be discussed in that House. It Was therefore impossible that he•shduld'have absconded in :order to avoid paying obedience to the - Speaker's . Warrant. On that ground he moved in amendment, that the Order of the Day commanding his attendance he read fur the purpose of being discharged. - • Dr. PHILLIMORE opposed the amendment.. The Rouse had punished the servant of Sir W. Manners for obeying the orders of his master. Would it be just to ailitsv the individual who bad given. there orders to be.discharged without any vi sitation for his offence? After a' desultory conversation, in which Mr. Tennyson, the Speaker, Sir 11, Heron, Col. Wood, and 'Mr. Calcraft.touk pint, the Amendment was put and negatived. Oir the original ipiestion being put, Mr. WII.OTPESL•EY suggested, tltat as there was no proof before the House of Sir William Manners having abssouded, whilst it was clear, On the contrary, that he had acted in de fiance of its orders, words to that effect should he inseiled in the Resolution, instead of those—" having absconded." Sir J. MACKINTOSH reminded the House that.on Satur day !wit they hail unaniinously come to a resolution, declar ingi4that it appeared to that House, that Sir William Man ner had absconded to avoid, ' &c. This resolution was adopt 7 ed; after hearing•the evidence read by the short-hand. writer, and that given•by the Messenger at the Bar. He therefore did nut see how it was possible to alter the, wording of .t he Re solution now proposed by lilt Hon. Friend. The original motion for cOmmittiug Sir William Manners to Neygate was then put and agreed to.. POTTERIES. - - _ Mr. LITTLETON presented a Petition front the Master Manufacturers of Potteries in Staffordshire, praying for the remoial of the Union Duty of (0 per cent.. on the produce of their manufactures when inqorted . into, Ireland. He took this opportunity of stating, that on the third reading of the Bill he should pnipose, that the words " Potterios," be erased. Tbe.Petition was then laid on the table, and ordered to be printed. The Offences on the High Seas Bill was read a second time, after a few words from Sir J. Mackintosh, Sir W. Scott, and Sir J. Coffin.—Ordercd to be co►omitted on Wednesday The Irish Poor Removal Bill was read a second time Ordered to be committed on Wednesday next, atter a few ob s►•rcatiohis frOM Mr. Win. Parnell, Sir J. Newport, Sir J. Yorke, Harbord, and Mr. C. Grant. BANK NOTES. _Colonel DAVIES presented a Petition . from Mr. Richard Williamson, an eminent engraver; complaining that his plan had been infringed on in the construction of the new Bank mote.—Ordered to lie on the table. Colonel DAVIES seeing an flungurahie.Gentleman in his . place, inquired what were the duties attached to the situation o f Geneial Officer of Artillery in Ireland. Mr. It. WARD maintained that such an .appointment was necessary. OPT HALMIC CURES. Mr. G. BENNET moved for a return of the number of sol diers receiving pensions In consideration of blindness. Sir T. ACLAND said, that be should wish to be informed Ay the Nobl e Lord (Palmeritou) whether many persons had not received pensions tar life, as blind, who were afterwards cured by Sir W. Adams. Mr. BENNIU said there might be one or two cases Oa complete cure, but he. did not believe there were Many. He was ready to admit" the skill and success of Sir W. Adams; but, although relief rmght be given.by operations on the retina of the eye, it iould nut be called a perfect cure. Lord PALllErtsTos said, that the .observations. made by the Hon. Gentleman opposite were such as he should, have petted from his candour. There were indred cases_ in which benefit was experienced to such azi extent; I hat if it hail been conferred before the pension had been gien, it would have made a considerable alteration in the decision of the. Chelsea Board: Sir JOSEPH YORKE contended, that too much stress bad been laid em Sir W. Adam'ssuccess. Sir. W. Adams, it should be r ecollected, had selected those who appeared roost likely to be cared. Mr: BARHAM said, that those cured by Sir %V. Adams had been pronounced, incurable. Mr. BENNEI' thought that the word " relief" would ex press the real character of the case more adequately than the word " cure." Mr. C. HUTCHINSON spoke in favour of Sir W. Adams's success.—The rkurn was ordered. • IMPORTS OF %VINES AND SPIRITS. Mr. RICARDO moved fur a return of the number of gal- ions Of I? feign Cori hnported, Crum 181, to job ', • distinguishing French front all other Wines, and the Duty paid to tilt; Excise uu the same; 464201 the quantity 0 1 Foreign spirits during the same period, disttnguishin Brandy , V Geneva, and West India ltutu.—Ordered: EAST INDIA COMPANY'S VOLUNTEERS B L. • CANNIN owed the „Order of the Day 'iv - re ivia ~thee its rt o the India Coeupitv s Volinekrs t l , 3 4 l- A, \you'd ski t t atriNke.4 the tisevsjpi. rignia l coips 4 was first est:tfilished in 1 . 793 4 ,antl eliscontinned wheustha , 'Charter of the Company was last renewrtN he object of this Bill was to embody a corps of Volunteers, not exceeding seV men. With respect to their serticesi the first object would be the deft-ace of the. properly of the Company, if a necessity - fat it should arise. Tu this he hoped there could be no objectioni when it was considered that the' e was generally lit the store - 4 ef the Company, property to no less au amount than 13,000,0 001 i of which 5,000,000 belonged to private individuals. Three weSi however, another consideration. About this time of the year twenty-five thousand stand of arms were generally in their stores for the put pose of being shipped off. It WAS' important that soctra depot - should be properly; guarded, at' a better that it should. be guarded, by those, whoi if nut 00 employed, might be spending their time in idleness. JII corps was liable 'to he called on fur the service of the State, it CircumStanCes s h iya d require it. They were to be armed , equipped, and paid, wit bout any .expence to the Publics-" Limier these cirptostances, he hoped there would be no 0 1 i' jection to the measure. After a tew words from Mr. 13Euskt.., who opposed the tno' tiou„and another : Honourable Member, whose name we could nut leao; the lleptyt Was received, and the II it ordered 20 1 0 read a third time to-morrow. THE RECORDER OF UNIERICK. Me. J. DALY moved, that. Henry D'Estare, Esq.-Recorder of Limerick, be brought to the Bar, in order to he discharged• • Sir J. NIACKINTO::4I commented in forcible -terms 011 the deep humiliation which :that, indiridaal had incurred. 13t longing, as heffid, to a liberal protession, and itivestcd is'llll iejudicial character, be bail been found _guilty of th.e.gros: offence of prevarication 4efore a. cOlllllllllO4l of that House. • He hoped that these circumstances would be Wien -into con sideration by those on whom such a.atters depended, ail I- ti hat this Gentleman would no longer -be suffered toliold high judicial situation, ur to rtntain : 4 Member of the Lepru• ed Profession. An Hon. MENII.3F.E. who had served on the Comroitte" o said, it was impossible to expect any regal d for decorum fruid the 'Members of the Corporations wiko had dis4raced thole selves by the most abusinnable conduct ; au j .wsksi tlse tiou , e interfered tudepriy'e Mr. D'ESterre of his sttitztion, it wou4 be'ln vain to expect any reparation. Mr. DALY said, no one could be 'more satisfied of Ihe itst propriety of [lit Petitioner's conduct than hithself. ' %Vireo hd was requested 1 - 0 present th! Petition lie con,casted to do but without wishing . to screen him from ass Punishineot lie might deserve, or wishing to prevent any steps being When to deprive hint of his °trice. • Sir J. MACINTOSH threw oat a suggestion, whether i t might not be advisable fur the House to suspend the discharg of the Petitioner, till souse assurance could be ontainesi he should not be allowed to remain in his situation. Mr. DALY said, the office held by the Petitioner was one t!' which lie roust be mi.:LI:My appointcd. It was in the depart' molt of the Lord Lieutenant, d without his appronatto l Mr. D'Esterre could nut. be re-elected, which approbarid". under all the circumstances of the case, it was nut yet y would be given. Mr. C. GRANT said he had no dottlst die subject. would. Ito taken into serious consideration by the Lord Lieutenant. Sir J. INIACINTOSH then declared that would answer object. Mr. BANKES vut 'it to the House, whether the most cute venietit course would not be to -postpone the discharge of tit Petitioner for a short tiute. Mr.' C. GRANT really thought it was tionzcessary for th e flume to do snore at present thins it had been proposlli them - to du by the motion pow nosier consideration. He tr - y derstood, in the misfit!, of September the re election of Mr' D'Esterre ustrst take place, it he were continued in his pre' stilt situation. He bad nos hesitation in saving, that it be expected that the Lord Lieutenant would withhold his or probation. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, after what had been stated pi his Right Hon. Friend, it Was quite clear that the time ‘v , l not distant when Mr. D Estes re would probahly he deprive" of his oilier, and Oct efore inure was out necessary tube stolid at present. The motion was then agreed to, and the Petitioner orderd to be brought to the Liar. Item yp'Esterre was then brought in and placed at Orli° of the House. The SPEAKER addressed, him as follows ; " Henry D'Ksterre, you have been reported to this 1100 40 by a Select Committee, appoit.ted to d e t e r : i l ia, on Ife wertt° of a Petition presented to this House against thy return :o r the city of . Limerick, as having been guilty of gross vatic:Akin. For this offence you have In el/ connuitted to b" Majesty's Jail of Seagate. Your petition, praying -to he I ' . leased 'flout further confinement, has been received, and -y O4 are now brought to the Bar of this louse in' order that yo may be reprimanded and discharged. If it were any duty this occ:ini to reprimand a person in a lower station in ifr it e —a person hid( educated [ and perhaps, halt ignorant of tl) . import of the solemn oblu.tat ion of an oath, it might he nec' -„ : sary for me to enlarge a on the nature, charcter, and curt'; quenecs of the offence,-an olfenOe which, going. to divest c' a deuce of all truthand justice, differs muse in a legal 'tiro tit moral polut of View from•wilfol perjury. B a s %v i, I se e fore me aperson of higlier rank—a titan of education, hiai , holdinz a high judicial siT patios), it is.impossible for ote l. feel called upon longer to expatiate on the enormity 0 1. crime which you have committed, •or of i a f„ .ai y mid d i g , grace which it has' bronglit upon you. Your owe' suggest noire severe and bitter reproaches than could words,of which lam master. 'l'o ttieSe 1 leave you, and tt proceed to Communicate the order of the House, which,o-a that you Henry D'Estirre be now discharged ; and 9,,1 are hereby discharged, on pavinirit of your fees."-- - ( l '' cheering) ,' o f On the motion - of Lord CAS ITEREAGH, the Spec',o Mr. Speaker was ordered to be entered on the Orde rs ut • House. . _ SALE OF SPIRITS BILL. The tipiritsExcisr Duties Repeal Bill, after some dic e r:, sion, in which Mr. Marryatt, the Chanceltut o f t h e ENC quer, Lord Castlereagh, and Sir . J. Newport, partictitiO' was read a second time, and comniittcd tor to-mtrow• t of The Militia Bill went through a Com mittee, the.Rer o which was ordered to be rcceiced to-tnotrow. ALIEN BILL. /Aa se Lord. CASTLEREAGH moved - that the .14.- should resolve itself into a-Committee on Alien Lill. „ Sir J. 'MAciNTook, did not intend to 011 3- :,•, , the motion, for. the .Speaker's leaving the Ce.tc; but had. certain clauses he wished to propos e .A. the House . In 181.8. the. Bill had been , pro ,3p; to the House,on, the ground that there vre re a fr the country 38 French .exiles, and tbre Fr e ' newspapers ; but Iv hen. the present Bill Tvra s, posed, no reason whateveu had been assignen,: even the colour of a reason.; but-Ministers ;.(1. kept a profound, silence, 'though , a speech .10 been.made by An Mon. 'Friend - 5 , alike distingq°Do ed by brilliancy and, argument.. It so id tc1,1)0 :the object of Ministers . to weary. the llouses ate from. mere lassitude the Bill r&;ht becorof,Sict,' of the law. 'lt was, in fact, a Ministerial Y.' lie that the House was called upon,to register. 0 meant to move the addition:of certain clailse'o` an appeal to posterity, should the,Bill pass i li a r present form.' The. first clause related to ; 1 t he peal to the Privy Connell : on the part (n c oe' Alien, 'which bad in. some measure ,been_,"beco tioned; by , the Act of 1814 ; but as it h ad Act subsequently held to be• the meaning of W e . s o s that no . Counsel could be. heard, nor w itli cij er e i could be examined,• that appeal was 4 ill 3 v Mockery._ The. first clause then should'oicA' the Privy Council should cause a eorl - tion to'be Made to the Alen,i in writing, 0 , 10 , 3 1 0 be heard ~ against them, and have the l ob jeG t ", of examining. witnesses, upon. oath. Tb e . 0 11115 rgeS 4g4inst him, : and that the Alien s' ,oo er of the.secondclause:WoUld toexemptalki 4)o' who had resi&d in the before -the' Y ' tll lt 1814, from the P operation of the Act. vete" Amendment, no Jacobins could b e eSel but a . long tO.e m clause A o of Ni t t4 i I 4Ca