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MPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTE ttDAY.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the wool sack at five o'clock. Lord SHAFTESBURY presented several petitions. BURIAL OF THE DEAD. _ _ The Earl of SANDWICH begged to call the atten - Lion of the noble duke opposite to the question he put to him on a former occasion with respect to the state of the burial grounds and vaults in the county of Hunt on..' The Duke of ARGYLL said in reply that the Horne Secretary had power, on the receipt of the report of an authorised inspector, to order burial grounds to be closed either wholly or in part, and also the power of ordering the re-opening of burial grounds either wholly or in part , if he were satisfied that such re-opening Would not be prejudicial to the public health. This was the course pur sued respecting the burial grounds and vaultsin Hunting don, to which the noble earl specially referred. Application having been made to the Home Secretary for the opehn ing of the vaults in Huntingdon, not generally for t e interment of a certain body, he issued such ordgr accord. ingly, and the interment took p lace. It was obvious that between the time of his receiving this application and the burial of the body, there was notice for the Home Secretary to ascertain whether the opening would be prejudicial to the puhltc health. The Earl of MA.LNIES BURY expressed his satisfac tion at finding this question revived by the noble earl which he believed to be one of considerable import ance, and connected with which there were circum stances which would warrant a special inquiry into the subject of the closing and re-opening of burial grounds. After a short discussion, ii The Bishop of LONDON — said - the-notice in question did not order the closing in question, but gave notice that after a certain period the grave yards would be closed. He quite agreed with the noble earl with re spect to the importince of the subject, and he should feel it his duty for the third time to call their lordships' attention to the many grievous evils which had arisen by the precipitate closing of burial grounds. Lord PORTMAN thought that such an important 'question should not hang upon the report of an officer whose tenure in office was liable to frequent changes. The subject then dropped. The Earl of DERBY presented a petition from Liver pool, complaining of the conduct of the war. . A discussio n here arose with respect to instructions to be given to select - committees of their lordships' house. THIRD READINGS. The following bills were read a third time :—The Ossett Gas, Staleybridge Gas, and the Chesterfield Water and Gas. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Lord REDESDALE.moved—" That this house wil not read any bill a second time after Tuesday, the 24th of July, except bills of aid or supply, or any bill in rela tion to which the house shall have resolved, befure_the second readin.2; is moved, that the circumstances which render legislation on the subject of the same expedient, are either of such recent occurrence or urgency as- to render the immediate consideration of the said bill ne cessary." Viscount CANNING concurred in the resolution, and it was agreed to. 20th of December it was known in the country that the m negotiations had terminated. Th h e , E ir ., D ri e o c f ami ll i a ,e l rj uaes b b u ti t ryg tw e il, turned to this conetty on the 2! ( 3 1 r ey on s d b a e y f , or t t e tb 2 e 7t E h t o rt f °f December=-the ihliesbnrY r Minister etr''e-i e u l a m 'al e el t. Y ie • . w o. n n to the house with a message from the Crown, from which I will passageSPEAKEß—Die to the the teh ri ous g e ht The hon. member mean to conclude with a motion ? Mr. DISRAELI—I will conclude with a motion if yeu find that I am not strictly within the limits of a question ; but I apprehend that you will find that I am strictly within the limits of a question. wish to state what, under cir cumstances similar to the present, Was the course adopted by , the Ministers, and then I shall here to ask why that course has not been followed on the present occasion. But if you think that I am transgressing the rules of the house I will conclude with a motion that will not to inconvenient to the Government, because it is a motion which they will themselves have to make in the course of the evening. (Cheers.) I have reminded the house that on the 20th of December it was known that the negotiltions had termi nated. On the 29th of December our plenipotentiary re turned to this country; but two days before, on the 27th of December, Mr. Secretary Dundas came down to the house with a message expressed in these words : " It is with the utmost concern that his Majesty acquaints the House of Commons that his earnest endeavours to effect the restoration of peace have been unhappily frustrated, and that the negotiation in which he was happily engaged has been abruptly broken off by the peremptory refusal of the French Government to treat, except upon a basis evidently inadmissible. His Majesty has directed the several memorials and papers which have been exchanged iu the course of the late discussion, and. the account transmitted to his Majesty of its final result, to be laid before the house." Now, hon. gentlemen will find, on referring to the jour nals, that the State papers. alluded to in the Royal mes sage were of a very voluminous description. They will thre find a schedule of the papers laid on the table, and they will see that probably, not only in importance, but also in number, they were not inferior to the papers we now so anxiously expect. (Hear, hear.) . Bat the house• will observe that two clays had not— Mr. RICH 'rose to order. (Oh, oh !) He was most un willing to interrupt the right hon. gentleman—(oh !)—be cause he thought it most desirable that a fall statement should be made upon this subject, bat at the same time he thought the hon. gentleman was not strictly adhering to the rules of the house with regard to questions. (Oh, oh!) The SPEAKER.—The right hon. gentlemean, having stated that he will conclude with a motion, is perfectly in order. (Laud cheers.) Mr. DISRAELL—I regret that a misconception on the partof the hon. gentleman of the statement I was about to wake—amtateneerat which I thinkit is for the public interest -hould be made, and which I have only been induced to wake for the sake of the public interest and for the honour and advantage of the country—(cheers) -has subjected me to interruption. Sti'.l, however, Ido not despair of being able to bring the point clearly before the house. I will aow attempt to regataer the scattered threads of my state ment. The house will observe that the moment it was known that negotiations were broken off, before even the plenipotentiary had returned, there came down a message trom the Crown to the House of Commons, and the Minis! ter at the same time gave notice that on the following day he would lay the whole of these papers on the table—a very different popition from that in which the hotise-now finds itself placed. (Hear, hear.) Bat was this all? On Mon day, December 27, the message of the Crbwn to the House of Commons came down. On Tuesday, the 28th, in defer ence to the direction contained in the gracious message of his Majesty, the Minister placed on the table of the house the whole of the papers connected with 'the negotia tions. (Cheers.) But that was not all. Mr. canning, the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, laid upon the table of the house for the use of members a state paper of the utmost importance, accompanied by what was called " his Majesty's Royal declaration," in which his Majesty wade the house acquainted with all the circumstances of the negotiation and the causes which had led to its unsuc cessful termination. Now, the house will observe that in 1796, under circumstances similar to the present—so similar that the power with which we were in treaty appears to have conducted itself very much in the same spirit as that described by the noble lord (Lord..J. Russell) the other night in the brief account he gave of his negotiations—the nego tiations terminated by a "peremptory refusal to treat, ex :ept upon a basis evidently inadmissible." The house will see that in that case, under circumstances apparently not only similar, but I may say even identical with those which have just occurred, we had in Parliament a message from the Crown ; we had the whole of the papers connected with the unsuccessful negotiations laid upon the table of the House of Commons before even the negotiator had returned; we had a royal declaration, containing the whole pith and marrow of the negotiations, placed upon the table for the advantage of members, and, more than that, we had the Minister, on the very day that he laid the papers on the table, which was Tuesday, giving notice f or th e f o ll ow i ng Tuesday of a motion to take them into consideration. Now, ' sir, as I have more free warrant to speak than I expected, I will ask the house to contrast the situation of Parliament in 1796, under similar circumstances, with the condition in which the House of Commons now finds itself in 1855. (Hear.) How have we'been treated ? Has there been the same necessity on the pert of her Majesty's Government to impart to Parliament the necessary information at a mo ment so pregnant with the fate of the country? Has there been, not only the same promptitude, but the same form and wise ceremony, in com mun i ca ti ng b e t ween th e Crown and Path. r:neat? (Hear, hear.) So Jar as the proceedings of Parliament are concerned, I doubt whether we have even any authentic evidence before us that any negotiations have been in progress, and certainly we have not at this moment the slightest information of what the basis of those negotjations was, or what were the grave points in dispute. (Hear and cheers.) I think the house has a right to inquire why there is this singular difference between the modes in which Parliament has been treated, under circumstances of so much similarity and so much importance, by the Government of that day and the Go vernment in the present instance. (Hear, hear.) Why has not her Majesty been advised to co:nruuni.atte with her Parliament when negotiations for peace with a. great Power ',aye failea ? Why has there not been a Royal message ? Why, in the present instance, have not the papers been prepared during the interval of nerrotiation, as they were prepared (luring the Ministry of ' l796—(hear, bear)—so that, when the termination of the n , sgotiations was an nounced Parli %melt, might have been immediately um:vie acquainted with all the circumstances of thesase? Why,_ le a mutter which lfa'§ in" deeply agitated-. the country,' have we note had some means of forming an, opinion of the state of affairs? Why has there not been a Royal message ? Why have not the papers been promptly placed upon the table? Why has there not been a Royal declaration, and why has the Minister not come for • aril, and with' a practice befitting a British Parliament laid papers upon the table of the house and fixed a day when Parliament can take them into consideration ? (Cheers.) I had thought that I might have asked these questions without treapa4sing upen a privilege which I wished other members to enjoy, of moving that the house at its rising adjourn till Monday next; but I will now make that motion, in order to be strictly within the rules of the house, and, having mac that motion, I await with interest the answer of the noble lord to the questions I have addressed to him. (Cheers.) Lord PALMERSTON—I think the answer which I shall have to give will have been anticipated by aim st all why, heard the questions of the right hon. gentleman who are at all acquainted with the circumstances to which he ia,l adverted, and the circumstances connected with the negotiations recently conducted by my noble friend. The right hon. gentleman has referred to a case in which, in a war between England and France, negotiations were en tered into directly between two countries—a case in which it was perfectly clear in the course of the nego , iations, be fore they were concluded, that peace was hopeless, and, peace being hopeless, it became the duty of the Govern ment of the day to appeal to Parliament for more vigorous exertions for, the continuance of the war. (Hear, hear.) If my noble friend had gone to St. Petersburg without any previous negotiation with any other Power, and if' the result of a fortnight's or a month's negotiation at St. Pe tersburg had proved similar to that to which the right hon. geutleman refers, the cases would certainly have been much more parallel than they are in poi„t of fact. It is well known that the negotiation which my noble friend undertook was conducted through the intervention of the friendly Government of Austria. It is well known that from the commencement of the war—and I may say even before the commencement of the war—Austria, as maintain ing friendly relations towards all parties, has been inces sant in her endeavours to bring about a reconciliation of the differences existing between England and France on the one hand and Russia on the other, and it was only a continuance of those efforts which led to the conferences in which my noble friend took part. Although, however, these conferences did not terminate in a successful issue, they were not broken off. They were adjourned without any specific time being appointed for their renewal ; but after my noble friend left Vienna, and after the conferences had been adjourned sine die , there took place at th e re quest of Austria another conference, and the protocols of that conference [The noble lord was here interrupted by an observation from Lord J - . Russell, which was loan lible in the gallery.] At the request of the Russian Mi nister, who said that he had another proposal to make, the conference was re-assembled, and—without being per fectly certain on the subject—l believe that up to this moment the detailed protocols or records of _that conference have not been received by her Majesty's Government ; at nil events, if they have been re ceived, it is within the pre ,, ent day. Well, sir, the confer ence adjourned, and my noble friend returned to this coun try; but there still exist at Vienna the elements of a con fgleenrsteit : o c fm e gurh,,ettorcri certainly et The vbceoes course f s: E e tr n hy g e l p a rr n ii7 d pcietr o hf course gentleman. s n e ce to nf a( Rt ) .is u : g a i f h t u w t a t s b t e h a d o t 0 1 e r te a r ,, t a n i i ;, t t t i e o v n e r t . f possibley he Majesty's menus o G f oze t t t n l n n i cp e t t i h t o t s o e differences which have lea to the war. (Hear-) If her A (jesty's Government hail fully determined that, under no circumstan ces , wou ld t h ey listen to any further oveittimes that may be made, either by Russia through Austria, or by Austria with th e v i ew o f suggesting means of accom modation between the belligerent powers, then undoubt edly the course the right hon. gentleman recommends her Majesty's Government to pursue, of coming clown with a message to Parliament, stating that all possi bility of an accommodation was at an end, and declaring that peace was, under the circumstances, impossible, would be the proper course to adopt. But, sir, that is not the position in which we are placed. (Hear, hear, and cheers from the Ministerial side.) We have failed in the attempt we made, but I am not prepared to say that there are no other means open by which, through the in tervention of the friendly offices of Austria, propositions may be made which it may become the duty of her Ma jesty's Government seriously to consider, with the view of determining whether it is still possible to bring the exist ing differences to a close. (Hear.) Allow me to say, sir, that, even upon the showing of the right bon. gentleman, the present case and that to which he refers are not parallel cases. The right hon. gentleman says that in the case of France the basis of negotiation was peremptorily refuse , I by France; but in this instance the basis of negotiation has been accepted by Russia. The four points upon which England and France agreed to negotiate have been accepted by Rns aim, and to a certain extent even the interpretetion which il:nglanti and Franced pieced upon those four points has also been accepted b y Russia as a foundation upon which to negotiate. The difficulties have been as to the mode in which the fair meaning of these points was to be cirried out in detailed articles of agreement. I think, therefore, sir, whatever may be the opinion of the right hon. gentle olDri with regard to the analogy of the two cases, that they ar,, essentially different in their fundamental elements; Iv I consider that her Majesty's Government would not th:f be en ia : ;cei rope 4aib l i y i performing their duty if, following out _ ~.elinciful analogy of former cases, they hai taken steps lw,:114:1.2.11:0111,1 have proclaimed to the world that we had itaiBrte;:utivi,mil:oo6::eties,:thfht;:fose s ei i i bility of any accommodation. Sir, cornmodation wel:e da n tu e t g ay l n ecti ng my duty if I were to hold inch it itgeeb:ite bGeovreearinimseedn;t ac in the state in w 'ensae : i f til'y stated that all hopes bwot ul ad o t f , I I wish to leave the question OPPOsition.) I WWI toui ve Ulear. and laughter from the he door of negotiation open. LOAN BILL. On the motion of Lord STANLEY at ALDERLEY the Loan 16,000,0001. bill was read a third time. In reply to Lord MONTE A.GLE, Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY said it was felt, in deciding upon this loan, that it would not he profit able to raise so large a sum as the 16,000,0001. by ter minable annuities. between_ terminable annuities and the establishment of a sinking fund there was in effect little or no difference. In the else of the Kinking fund, the present generation would be callel upon to pay a larger sum each year in order t. reduce the prin cipal of the debt, and terminable annuities required th'- action of the same principle. In order to give effect as far as possible to the principle of terminable annuities, it was decided, after mature and careful deliberation on the part of her Majesty's Government, that a portion of the loan should be raised by terminable annuities, and that the remainder should be reduced by annual pay ments of 1,000,0901., commencing with the close of the present war. There could be no doubt whatever brit that at the close of the war this sum of 1,000,0001 could be very eaily,raised, and if any season of reverse should occur it would be perfectly competent for Parlia ment to repeal this clause. The house shortly afterwards adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS-YESTERDAY. The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. The following bills were real a third time and passel : —Ashton-under. Lyne Gas and Water ; Kilmarnock Gas; Regent's Canal (Hertford Union Canal); Salisbury and Yeovil Railway. The following bills were considered and ordered io be read a third time :—Kelso Bridge ; South Wales Rail way (Consolidation) ; Waterford and Limerick Railway. The following bills were read a second time :—Derby shire Staffordshire, and W orces t ers hi re R a il way (N, P . 2) ; Grand Surrey Canal (No. 2) ; Southampton Paving Trust, Saint Pandras. PETITIONS. Petitions were presented by Mr. Strutt from Notting harp, for the repeal of the Sunday Beer Bill ; by Mr. Spooner from Birmingham, it, favour of closing public houses on Sundays ; by Mr. Horsfall from various Di-- senting bodies in Lancashire, against the Maynooth grant ; by Mr. Bentiock from- a -parish in 'Norfolk, for the closing of all public-houses on Sundays ; by Sir J. Walrnsley 16 petitions from various Dissenting congre gations, against church rates, and one from the inhabi tants of Leicester, in favour of local rating, and one aqainet the Maynooth grant ; by Mr. Band from the Queen's County, in favour of the Tenants Improvement Bill; by Mr. J. G. Phillimore from various magistrates' clerks in Cheshire, in favour of aptoointing a pubic pro secutor; by Sergeant Shee a large number of petitions from different parts of the King's County, and Kilkenny and Down, in favour of the Tenants' Improvement Corn pensation Bill by Colonel Lindsay, from Fife, in favour of the Scotch Education Bill. EAST INDIA COMPANY STOCK. Sir E. PERRY moved for a return of the amount of 4 per cent. East India Company's Stock, accepted by holders of the various 5 per cent. stocks convert -d by the East India Company during the years 1853 and 1854 ; distinguishing the various stocks, and stating the -number of holders who a,c3epted the ter us of the East India Company.—Ordered. PORT WINE ADULTERATION. On the motion of Mr. MACARTNEY the following documents were ordered :—Address fo: copies or ex tracts of any despatches from her Majesty's Mintstsr at Lisbon, or het Majesty's Consul General or Consuls in Portugal, between the years _lB4B and 1853, recom mending the prohibition or discouragement of the im portation of a compound called jerupiga, made with elderberries, brown sugar, grape juice, and brandy, and used for the adulteration of port wine. Copies of any correspondence between her Majesty's Lords of the Treasury and the Commissioners of Customs, within the same period, relative to the refusal of the latter to per mit jerupiga to be entered as wine and mixed with port wine in bond : and, of any minute, or minutes, or any correspondence or instructions issued by the Lords of her Majesty's Treasury and the Commissioners of Cus toms, within the same period, authorising the mixing of jerupiga with port wine in bond, under the superintend ence of the officers of Customs, in the same proportion as brandy, viz., thirty-three gallons of the compound to one hundred gallons of pure port wine. Return of the number of tons of logwood exported from Great Britain to Oporto in the years 1552, 1853, 1854, and 1855. KINGSTOWN HARBOUR, Mr, H. HERBERT asked the Secretary to the Trea -1017 whether any immediate prospect existed of the work s o f the new Steam Packet Jetty in Kingstown rbo ur b e i ng proceeded with ; and whether he had any objectio n to lay on the table of die house, the corre spondence that had taken place between the Government and the Board of Public Works relative to the said jetty, and also the reports of Mr Rendal in con n e c tio n with that cor respondence : also o . ask, whether any plan had been submitted to the Government for connecting the new steam-pack e t l anding place with the Kingstown. and Dublin Railway ? Mr. WILSON said whatever plan should he adopted, there should be a communication between the railway and the steam-boats, and the plaPi was now under the e.ensideration of the proper author ties. STATE APARTMENTS AT WINDSOR. In reply to Mr. PELLATT. Sir W. MOLESWORTH eai-1 the apartments lately occupied by the Emperor and Empres4 of the French a' Windsor Caste were not under the control of the Board of Works, but of the Lord Chamberlain, who he had no doubt would afford every opportunity to the hon. mem ber to visit them. (Hear, and a laugh.) THE VIENNA CONFERENCE. Mr. DISRAELI—Sir, I wish to have some explanation from her Majesty's Government of the unusual delay which has taken place in laying on the table of the house the State papers relating to the late unsuccessful negotiations for peace. The House will be aware that, whatever might L l e a th e result of these negotiations, whether successful or the whether of peace had been signed ,6e,nht7ther the result had been such as appears to have tui g h t t , e v ase--the papers connected with the negotiations tiatiote,been prepared fOr the House; so that when the t i )ool. o r tw te o rrninateci there would only have been a pro oia'lliulit,t 4 o r the last despatch' to print, and the returnea a lce 0 I t 5 ”;l a placed on the table of the house t ,,,, ,i, 1 , ,1!, ,, t, the Secretary for the Colonies tfromhat t h h e i r s 1 44 1 . , the e tu z i l ai se a t in this house. As I fi nd ~,,i course, I think I !pay ask has not been i l tr '' 0 lo wed ern merit why the usual course there hat noternbmeeennttbi'ant t,,blppesent occa-ion, and why kra.li'atY's Goy „ i iing,,,,, the information which t i 3 t —""ct"tralii_a!nent in possession of on the part of her grave subjects to poss,en . h e a :o,, i , i , a , ii 's: , i a n Vght upon such Government to produce it. gupidree(zer , n . t ty i, n anb, searched the journals which shoal I , anve. Power of the wish to confine myself at nical limits of a Parliarnentary quest " io ".l7 w 11717 : the . as r boss°, if you, Sir, will permit me, ex Z t l will state t tech. 1 the the journals to guide us in this momentous Y r7 hat 1 ,(- :(1o T i I will 11,4 her ale jesty's Government to expl4: 4 t ; "(1 then why on this occasion they have not foll owed °the 6n " 1 which h ave always governed the conduct of p - P- I "ts under similar circumstances. The precedent whichrn. gnids now does not vary from others ; but I select 704 to ertt t i lt because it is one of modern date, of the highest imp or t, 4 uce, and in its circumstances apposite to the p resent e n a e o Zi i rectnre. I take the precedent of the rupture of th e on ti4t i°tis of 1796. The house will recollect that, forme; 14t h of October, 1796, the country was in zaaame,erlhaMajesty had sent the Ewl of a Peace ?i,,,.a' his plenipotentiary to France to negotiate " was on the 14th of October, and on the THE S 1 N, LONDON. SATUROAV EVENING, MAY 5 1P55. (Cheers from the Ministerial side.) I woull not shut the pod" to agy p,3S lT,la neroaa.tion :brsuch measurfs intoVillich the right bons gentleman would wish to ' trice her Mijesty's Government, (ffear.) 'We sir, that we woul,l produce the protocols. Those protocols shill be produced, and when they are produced it will be for the house to determine whether they think it advisable to take any steps founded thereupon. We are anxilus to give to this house and to the country all the information we think consistent with the public interests and consistent with the possibility of any future amicable arrangement of those differences which have compelled us to embark in a great and arduous contest. While, on the one hand, we are determined to continue that contest, so long as it shall be inevitably necessary, in a manner consistent with the honour, the dignity, and the interests of the country, so, on the other hand, we shall not be the parties to shut the door to the possibility of concluding an honourable and sa ' tisfactory peace. (Hear, and cheers.) LORD DUNDONALD'S INVENTION. Mr. FRENCH said he re ss to put a question to the First Lord of the Treasury, of which he had given notice some days ago. He might remind the house that, after an ex penditure of some 30,000,0 , ; 01. upon the conduct of the wer, the result, if not humiliating to this couutty, had at least been most unsatisfactory. He believed the number of Available British bayonets in the Crimea did not exceed by more than 1,00 , what it was when the battle of Inker man was fought; that the army was still invade to take idle field for want of the moans of transport ; that a large portion of the cavalry was still dismounted ; that a con 'utterable body of the Artill er y was without horses ; and that, according to the stetement of the First Lord of the Admiralty the other night, the only possible road by which our a , my could take the field—namely, that by Metkeu ale's Farm—hail been occupied by a force of between 56,000 and 60,000 Russian troops. The public out of doors would hold that house responsible if they allowed a Government to remain in power which, failing to conclude an honourable peace, neglected any means that might be placed at its disposal calculated to bring the war to a speedy and successful termi nation. The plan to which his qestion referred was one that had been long prepared and well matured ley one who had had great experience in naval warfare and in attacks upon fortified places. Lord Dundonald had dis tinguished himself by his exploits in the Basque Roads and the Bey of Callao, and on other occasions, and he (Mr. French) amnia venture to say that in respect of scientific acquirements, professional knowledge, and personal gal lantry, the noble lord had not a superior, if, indeed, he had an equal, among living men. One of Lord Duo donald's most uncompromising political opponents, Sir A. Alison, speaking of him under his earlier tide as Lord Cochrane, said that he was, after the death of Nelson, the greatest naval commander of that ago of glory—equal to hi 4 great predecessor in personal gellentry, enfhusLsfic ardour, and devotitin to his country, and perhaps his superior in original genius, in mental power, and inex haustible resources. He (Mr. Frenck) had said that the plan of the noble lo r d h a d bee long considered and well matured. So far back as the reign of George IV., :st, the request of that Sovereign, Lord Dun donaldN pit n was submitted to Admirals Lord Exmouth and Keith,and such was their opittion of the terrific effi eiency of the noble earl's invention, that they expressed their epi nion that, for the welfare of the human race, it was advis able that the noble lord should carry his secret to the grave. The noble lord at that time acquiesced in this view ; but last yearseeing _he pretlicarnent in which his country waspleced, and being anxious to promote the cause of civilisation 'against barbarism, he tendered his plan an d hi s p ersona l services to the late Government without fee or reward. He at the same time offered his services to go to the Baltic and • delatroy Cronstadt. To these tenders he got no answer, but a reference was made to three admirals and two scientific persons. These admirals were of opinion that at present it was not expedient to carry the plan into effect ; but he believed the scientific men gave it as their opinion that the force employed by the noble and gallant lord would be per fectly irresistible. On the return of Sir C. Napier from the Baltic the plans were shown to him, and, after giving them . the fullest consideration, he came to the conclusion, as he 'was informed, that the noble lord was able to carry out everything he undertook to accomplish. (Hear.) It was in these circumstances that he now wished to put a question to the Governmeut. The Government 'night, on the ground of the high reputation of the noble lord (Dundonald) have sately availed themselves of the plans which he had sub mitted to them ; but they had forced him to divulge those plans to seven or eight persons, and it might possibly be that the first experiment they heard of them would be in the destruction of our own forces. (Hear.) If the noble lord would state that the Government were d termine t not to give a trial to the plans of the noble and gallant admiral, it would be easy fur him to appeal to the country, and to obtain a mini of money sufficient to enable him to carryout those plans in defiance of the apathy and indifference of the Government. (Hear. hear.) The question he had to put was, what steps had been taken, and what decision, if any, had been come to in relation to the proposal made by the Pearl of Dautionald for the destruction of the Russian fortresses ? Lord PALMERSTON—Having already made a speech upon the motion before us, it is only by the indulgence of the house that I can be permitted to give an answer to the question put by my hon. friend. I trust, however, that the, house will not refuse to grant me that indulgence. No than can entertain a higher opinion than I of L Dundonald. I have the pleasure and honour of his ac quaintance for a great number of years. He stands as high as any man ever did stand in his profession with re gard to naval affairs ; he is a man, moreover, of great and extensive scientific attainments, and therefore any opinion .tedberately entertained by him is entitled to the highest and Nitwit consideration of the Government. The plan which Lord. Dundonald propaseit last year was, as my hon. friend states, necessarily submitted to the considera tion of a certain number of professional and scientific per sons ; and the effect of their inquiries anti consideration was that there appeared to be such difficulties of execution end such doubtful expectations as to the result that nothing was then done upon it. The p'an has recently been again pressed on the consideration of the Government by Lori Dundonald. The matter is still under their COlibi iteration, and is far float being so free from tb•uhts anti ditli,n!ties as my hon. friend seems to Lnagine. But all I ..;an sty is, that it is under consideration ; and I think that if there is a plan from Lord Dandon..ld or any other pens, n winch is calculated to accomplish the ends and obj•cts stated by try hon. friend, there can be no great advantage in publicly discussing it, or pointing out to the enemy agein..t whotu it would* employed either the prebability of Ite'lin Mediate execution,or anything which might enable them to guess the meaner in which it might-be applied. COLONEL CROMBIE. efr. H. BARING asked ;he Under-Secretaty for War whether it was the fact that Colonel Crotnbie, late of the Coldstream Guards; was placed on the half-pay list in con sequence of ill-health, and at hie own express desire? He was induced to ask this question in consequence of a statement made the other night by the hon. member for Aylesbury, that Col. Crumble was compelled to tender hi resignatien, and was not aware that he had been put on the leaf-pay list till he saw his name in the Gazette. Mr. PEEL understood this question to hive been put in consequence of a statement inane by the hon. member for Aylesbury, to the eff,ct that C done! Crembie had been obliged to go upon helf-pty in order that promotion might be given to certain officers below him. He need opt say that that statement was entirely inaccurate, nor could he edit anything to ivbat was stated the other evening by his hon. and gallant relative the member for Huntington. It appeared that Colonel Crombie having suffered from bad health while at Varna, and being incapacitated fro.); ser vice in the Crimea, wished to retire on half-pay ; and, so far from getting the first notice of his being put on half pay from the Gazette, he had leniu expecting it ever since the munth of January last (Hear.) THE MILITIA. Mr. H. BAILLIE, iu risieg to call the attention of the house to the state of the militia force in the United King dom, regretted that he was forced to bring so important a subject before the house in such a manner. The house was aware that in consequence of a doubt existing as to whether a certain portion of the militia force was tinder the act liable to be called on for service for a longer period than 56 days, Government decided to allow those in that post tion to return home. A large number availed themselves of the opportunity, and the result was, the militia force was in a complete state of disorganisation, and very much reduced in numbers. That condition was in a great dues sure to be attributed to the conduct of the Government, in not availing themselves of the powers entrusted to them by act of Parliament. When the hon. member for Midhurst introduced the bill, be stated there were two modes of raising a militia ; one, voluntary enlistment; the other the •ballot. The voluntary system was, no doubt, sufficient to secure the efficiency of the force in time of peace, when it was a matter of indifferenciewhether the force numbered 50, 60, or 70 thousand men. In time of war, it was of the greatest possible importance that the militia should be maintained at its fall complement, because on its effi ciency depended their means of keeping up the numbers of the army. P, was obvious to every one that a system of voluntary enlistment for the militia must enter into direct competition with the enlistment for the army—the two could not be successfully carried on together. As soon as the war broke out, Government ought to have taken immediate steps for carrying out the ballot. It was said 6 months would be required to prepare the machinery ; but although 6 months had elapsed, nothing had' been done. The result was that the militia force was so re duced that at present he believed it did not muster 30,000 men. The deficiency in the army was, still greeter. He. had heard on good authority that the army was now 41,000 men below the complement voted by Parliament; and although the Government asserted that recruiting was going on most favourably, he believed that the weekly returns did not show a number more than sufficient to eupply the c asualtiee that were daily occur ring.; The casual'iee of the army in time of peace were 94,060 men a year, and they must now be at least 15,000. When the noble lord was se'ecte.l to form a go vernment, it was considered that the selection was based on the prevalent opinion that he was a man who would carry on the war with energy and vigour ; but he (Mr. Baillie) was at a loss to see in what that energy snit vi gour consisted. He thought even the Government of Lord Aberdeen had displayed more vigour. They had sum moned Parliament at a most unusual period ; in order to take measures for raising a foreign legion ; and although the act was passed five months ago, it was only within the last ten days that any stops had been taken by the noble lord to carry it into execution. The noble lord had, indeed, tall them that the language used in that house had prevented the Germans from enlisting, but they might have got m en e l s 'w h ere. He knew fora 'fact, that a distin guished Swiss officer had come to this country to offer the Lhaulwvitsheesnortw(rfioratoolyrn: the; but Government. h e ay a s kept If forno lord had d s w w i e t r h e in te th b e e I signed n h e a , r l p a e n e tp p i i t t t u te ti n . t n i of agreement with a Brunswick general, who was to raise a body of troops of which he was to have the commend? What was the condition of the administrativedeparttnents at the present moment ; what was the state of the War D 'part ment ? He bsdeved it had been in a more efficient state in the time of the Duke of Newcastle. Toe noble lord the mew. her for the city of London had shown himself very vigilant in looking after the Duke of Newcastle. (Hear.) He hoped he would be equally vigilant in looking after Lord Pau mute. (Rear.) They had lately had a sample of the way in which of were conducted at the 'War-office. A state ment had appeared to the effect that a large body of the Guards had been sent to Portsmouth in a great hurry to embark, but that when they got there they found the vessel half full of other detachments. The detachments were put on shore, and then the Guards were embarked, but without their baggage, leaving behind their clothes, and even their shoes, and having the old muskets instead of Minie rifles, This statement was adverted to in the other house. The minister said he knew nothing of the facts, but be did not think it pos-iblethat such things could have occurred. Great allowance ought to be made for Lord Panmure, as his health would not allow him to devote all his time to the duties of his office ; but while :tTie — depatinTeltwas in such a state, the noble lord the member for London ought to take it under ►is protection. The militia ought at once to he brought up to its full com plement. It would, no doubt, be inconvenient to have re course to the ballot, but when the country went to war it knew what the consequences would he. He had oppesedi the 'war; He relietigtt it Might Bete bean fi-oitleei, but as it, hied ceiMmenced it shoal l be conducted with vig o! sill effect. The honour_ and diameter of the country were sa i iiriticedt by the mode in which it was concluded, England should die pend on its own resources. They heard every day of new French battalions being sent out, hut they never hear& of any fresh English battalion ; and why, because they had no more men, from the mismemagewent of their resources. He had f lt it hit duty to b! ing this matter under the notice of tho h use, because be believed the indignation of t h e country would not be much longer restrained. He begged to ask what measures, if any, were in contempla tion on the pert of the Government to restore the efficiency of the militia force ? . Mr. F. PEEL believed he was irregular in again address ing the house, but the hon, member had been more irregu lar in the number of topics he hail introduced. He had fallen into several errors. It was not true that no English soldiers had been sent out within the last two months ; upwards of 10,003 men had gone frons this country. The hon. gentleman hail referred to the embarkation of the troops on board the Alma. The fact had been repeatedly explained. The difficulty simply arose in this manner : the officers at Liverpool reported the vessel to be capable of carrying a certain nu-nber of troop s ; when the vesaci ar rived at Portsmouth the officiisls there considered she could not take so large a number. Under these circum stances, a number of detachments of other regiments were landed, and the Guards p!aced on board. It would of course have been iu the power of the Government to have carried out their original intention, bat the result might have been great sickness and mortality amongst the troops in consequence of overcrowding. As to the foreign legion, ;t was not true that several officers had }eon refused! corn missions. teraise men under the act: Two or three officers had lately proceeded to Germany to enlist men, and in a very short time depots would be established at Heligoland end in this country. The hon. gentleman hail referred to the state of the militia. It was the intention of the Go- vernment to take every means in their power to place that force in an effective state, for the progress of the war had brought out their dependence 'on it.' When the arty was sent abroad the number of regiments of infantry of the line ! usually kept in this country was so mach reduced that it became necessary to embody a number of militia regiments and place several of them in garrison to perform the duties hitherto discharged by the infantry of the line. Lately, in consequence of the necessity of reinforcing the army iu the Crimea, the garrison s i n th e M e di terr a nean h a d b e e n reduced below their usual strength. In consequence of that reduction an appeal had been made ureter the act of Parlia ment to the militia regiments in this country to volunteer for service abroad; several regimente had volunteered, and two or three had already left this country to reinforce the garrisons at Gibraltar and Corfn. It was no doubt true, as had been related by the hon. gentleman, that a considerable inroad had been made upon the effectiveness of the militia force of this country, in coneequereee of the discussions which had recently taken place with Aspect to the act of 1854; but be did not conceive that the Government was at all responsible for what haul happened under the': act, nor did he think it was open to them to take any other course than that which they h dd pursued. As i•egariled that ques tion the case was simply thie. The meerfwho were embodied prior to the priesttegof the tad sills 4 s44ffered their services under the impression, he might even say on the understand ing, lhat they would only he liable to be called out for train ine for a period of from 21 t o Sidays in the rear, end would be liable to he called out for perrnaneet duty only in the event of this country being threatened with an invasion. Now, he had no doubt that, considering how important an event.thet was, many persons joined the miitia prior to the passing of the act of 1854, under the persuasion that they would not lose their civil employments by entering that force. The act of 1851 altered the conditions of service. That act authorised the °Mho Leine of the militia at any time when this country wasat war, and thecountry happened to beat war at the time when it passed. Then the onestion arose whether that act ha I a retrosipeciive effect. The law officers of the crown were consulted din the subject, and they gave a decided opinion that the act did apply to the men ahe were enrolled prior to its being rowed, in fact, that its operation was retrospective. If, therefore, the militia hail refused to serve for moue than 56days, the government would have been prepared with "an answer. He thought, however, the hone must be of opinion' that nothing was more likely to conduce to the effectiveness of the militia thin the maintertance of confidence between that force and the government of the country, and that this word,' not have been secure" by arbitrarily taking advantage of the act which had been passed in opposition to the understanding With which the msn joined. Under these circumstances a circular was issued, giving to the men the ()pion of re turning home after they had served '6 days, or else of being reattested for the unexpired period of service, receiving an additional bounty of one pound, in consideration of the enhdrged liability which they contracted under the act of 1851. No doubt the militia very largely availed themselves of that circular. A great number of the men returned to their homes, and the militia regiments —although none of them were actually broken up—had suffered considerable diminution. The hon. gentlemen proposed to resort t the ballot as a means of supplying the loss which hail been thus occasioned. The fact was that the ballot wouldl not answer the purpose. The menwho weregono to their homes remained upon the effective strength of their regiments, and when the period came round next year for their 56 days' service they would be called upon to join their regi ' ments. Consequently the ballot could not be had recourse to for the purpose of supplying the places of these men, unless they ware discharged altogether ; and their could be no doubt that, if this step were taken, the first duty of the Givernment, considering the inconvenience of having re course to the ballot, would! be to ascertain whether their places could not be supplied by the same process by which they originally joined, namely, voluntary enlistment,. If the Government failed in that attemptthey might then have recourse to the ballot. He admitted that even including the men who hasi gonebeek to their homes, the effective strength of the mil itie regi men ts was considerably below theesitablieh ment. The act of Parliament authorised the levy of 80,000 men for England and Wales. At notiMe. he thought, bad there been more than from 45 000 to 50 003 men actually et: rolled, and that number had lately stiff -reit a considerable owing to the ci:cemstsuce that so great a nutn -13 r of me, 11.1 ' , turned to their homes. The present Ntren f th of th 3 militia, regiments in this country lid I,ot ex ceed 2,5 030 m 31). Titre was one very important consi tion in the Gre at cempleidits had been made ie con sequence cf Lauren having nee , i priced on billets. The practice gave gloat diAiAtiZLetion to the heuseholders neon .whom the 1440 13)“L„billk(01 ; and it liras ego:ally objee tionable ou account- of its tre,eirorelising elect on the men themselves. At that moment, of the 25.003 men whom be had mentioned as beiegundler arms isairiglaadl r.tidl Waled, there were not more than 6,0' 1 0 iu i artfson ; the retrediaing 19,030 bong on billets. Every endeavour was being made toy th, government to obtain barracks and hired acco ;IMO dation for the militia, both in this country end in Scot land ; and he thought it would be unwise to have recourse to the ballot for the purpose of obt mining a larger number of men than could, for some time at least, be provided with barrack accommodation. Colonel KNOX thought that no answer had been given to the question of his hon. friend. (Hear.) What his hon. friend wanted to know, and what the country wanted to know, was wh at ste.a the Government were taking in Order to put the militia regiments on a proper footing. Colonels of miltia were con =tautly writing to the War-office for :assistance, and could get no answer. If the War-office were unable to attend to the details connected with the militia, it was, he thought, incumbent on the noble lord at the head of the Government at once to obtain a general tiff for that force, whieh should receive all reports and adimi.lieter the affairs of the militia under the authority of the Home-offise. At present the militia was :at a dead l oc k, whereas it, certainly might he made a most efficient force. A noble lord, who was the colonel ()Nile Donegal Militia, hed stated that he had 1,100 men, who were sleep ing four or five in a bed, and were living like pigs. (Catiehter.) He hail applied to the War-office for aid, and halt obtaidie I no reply. The militia force was like the regular army, paralysed, and he wanted to know what the Government were doing to place it quickly on an efficient footing. The hon. gentleman (Hr. F. Peel) said that 10,01)0 men had left this country in the last two months. He should be glad to have a return with regard to those men, as the numbers appeared to him rather exaggerated. Mr. BENTINCK said there was one statement of the Under-Secretary at War, which appeared to him especially to require explanation ; be referred to his declaration that he hoped that in a short time depots would be formed for the troops to be obtained under the Foreign Enlistment Bill. A special session was held at the close of last year for the express purpose of passing that measure, and they had not yet heard of any progress being made in carrying it out. They were now told by the hon. gentleman, at the expiration of a period of five months, that ho hoped to be able at some future time to state to the house that depots were being established for the troops enlisted under that act. If that was a sample of the activity anti energy of the Government in the prosecution of the war, it was not very likely to be brought to a speedy or satis factory termination. (Hear, hear.) He thought he had a right to ask the Government to state what had led to such an apparently unaccountable delay ? Colonel GILPIN said, in consequence of what had fallen from the hon. and gallant niember (Colonel Knox), he rose to state, that having, as a colonel of militia, had frequent communications with the War-office, he had always met with the greatest courtesy and attention. (Hear, hear.) As an independent member, and a general opponent of the Government, he felt bound to make this acknowledgment. (Hear.) He hoped that if the troops were to remain at Aldlershott during the next winter, better accommodation would be provided for the officers, the size of the butts which they occupied at present being only 9 feet by 10. Odd. NORTH said that, as a colonel of militia, be had re ceived the greatest possible assistance from the War-office. Mr. BELLEW said, having the honour to hold a com iniseion in au English militia re .dintsidt, lie wished to know when the militia were to go to Aldershott, as he expe rienced great evils through the billeting ayetem. H e would also inquire whether the Government - intended that all the militia regiments of Ireland should be station,rl at the Curragh of Kildare. The Government should bear 111 mind the antagonism between certain classes of Itishmen. The Irishmen of the south and west could not possibly be prevented from quarrelling with the Irishmen of the north of Ireland. (Laughter ) Mr. COWAN trusted that before long the billetting system would be aimlished in Scotland. He had submitted to Lord Panmure a letter froma billet master ofEdin burgh, wh o acte d un d er t h e author i ty o f th e commission ers of pollee, containing some valuable suggestions on the subject, which Mr. Rau..say, his lordship's private secre tary, had informed him were likely to be adopted. Sir J. WALSH complained that no answer had been given to the question of the hon. member for Inverness, Whether the Oovernment contemplated any measures, and if so wh a t measures, to restore th e militia to a state of effileticv. In the desponding and gloomy statement of the Under S ecre t ary at W ar, it was con f esse d th a t th e effec tive force o f th e m ili t i a was re d uce d to 25,000 m en. w hil e there had been U 3 contradiction of his hon. friend's (Mr. Baillie) statement, that the regular army was 40,'.03 under the numbers voted by Parliament. If the present conflict W as t o go on . and E eg iand was to maintain her position as a first-rate power, much more energetic measures must be adopted than ally which had been seen hitherto. AU the exertions made rip to this time were puny and insipitieaut compared with the nature of the contest in which they were eo_. , ageil, or the effoitA put forth at pr ev i ous per i ods. Mr. (yr vcr A Y said if the c.ointry was unable to keep up a suflic:ent military force, the sooner it retired from the contest in which it was engaged the butter. (Hear.) He had put a qnestion on the paper that morning to he ad dressed to the First Lord of the Treasury ; and be should now refer to thesubject incidentally, because he understood that the noble lord was precluded by the forms of the house from giving a reply. He wished to know whether the Government considered that it became the dignity of this country to enter into a sort of surreptitious war. Had the agents of this coun t ry i n G ermany the sanction of the sove reigns of Germany for seeking to enrol their subjects? He askal this question because it appeared that this country had already been subjected to some humiliation by pro ceedings of that kind. At New York the authorities had interposed to prevent the enrol men t of men by an agent of this country ; and i n that frivadlypower, Prussia, a decree hail been issued for the sit>ne purpose. H.) wished to know whether, while we were ssuding rigetta tO pefrttiati states to enrols , '•ii •r.., we were so &dors with the Cogejsence of the soversiges of these ..tates. The M irquie of GRANBY sail that it seemed to Lim reinst important th rt every faeility should ne given to wen 'to be re-attested in the militia. • He hail heard, however, that after 2t days no militiaman was allowed to b e re attested, and he sh ou ld b e g l a d t o k now whether that was the case. • Mr. H. FIERBERT felt certain that it would he .very impolitic to join in one Jr corps militiamen of different religions and feelings. He felt certain that great discords would arise in those regiments in which men from the north an• i from the south• were both to be found. As an instance, he might mention thst being in an hotel one day in the south of Ireland he hail men ioned the matter quite by hazard, and he was instantly met by such an outburst of feeling that, had he been so inclined, a very pretty quarrel might have been the result. (Hear and ,aughter.) Si , G. GREY rose to answer the qu sties's which had been addressed to the Government by different hon. mem bers in the course of. the present discussion. An hon. me mber opposite hail complained that his hon. friend (Mr. F. Peel) hail not given the ieformetion which bad been re (mired of him with regard to the militia, and that. especi ally he hail not stated the int mtions of the Govern went with regard to the ballot. Now he (Sir G. Grey) hail en derstoed his bon, friend distinctly to state th 1 her Ma jesty's Government did not consider that the time had yet come when recourse to that system would be found ab solutely necessary. ( Hear.l In con titre et ien of that state ment, he could now state that from official documents it appeared that P. considerable increase in voluntary enlist ment in the militia hail taken place within the Ist month. Another hon. gentleman had stated that in his opinion separate staff ought to b. orwmisetl for the nii!ititt. But that hon. gentleman should hear in mind that. the militia, when embodiee. beeline a portion the military force of the nation, and as such subject to the same departments as the other prt ions of the - army. With regard to the question of billeting, be admitted, that many evils at tached to that system, and before the militia was embo d (and hence was Stilt under the control of the Home-office), he had received :rany valuable cotennimications from colo nels of regiments neon the subject. He quite coscurred in the justice of the complaint then made to him, and had accordingly taken the opportunity of placing the matter before the War Department, He could assere the hetue Lot, only that the matter had not been lost sight nf, but there was every wish on the part of the Government to pro vide the required barrack accommodation. While upon this subject, he might mention to the house that from a return which his hon. friend (Mr. F. Peel) had procerad since he addressed the house, it appeared that the number of militia tinder arms in the United King loco vest; 42,34. With regard to the permission to re-attest, to which refer ence had been made by the noble lord opposite (the Mar quis of Granby) the case stood thus. Oue menth's leave of absence was 110* given to militiamen, within which period they must make up their coronas as to re-attesting or not. This g •ye them an opportunity of visiting their friends and of giving ample consideration to the iss'etr, while it prevented men from coining in after a long lase of time and claiming the bounty. Another hon. gentleman (Mr. Otwav) his asked a question with regard t e the fo reign enrolment. That hon member appeared to thirds that the Government were proceeding to do too much ; while, on the other hand, an hon. member opp site (Mr. Blithe) censured them for doing too little. The fact was that difficulty had arisen in working the Foreign Enlist ' ment Act by reason of the debates which hart taken place in that hoes() and elsewhe-e before that act passed. Mane persons who had promised assistance to the Government. and who had even offered to raise men, hal held back when they were treated and spoken of as mercenaries Nor could it he overlooked that the denial of half-pay to officers had operated as a great disconragement. At the same time, he was now happy to say that the Government - had received renewed offers of assistance, and that agents had been appointed, natives of foreign countries, for the purpose of enrolling men. Of course, in taking these step,, the laws of continental countries would not be broken through. He believed he hall now replied to all the ques tione which had been put by hon. members. Mr.• WALPOLE asked if the right. hon. gentleman could state the number of militiamen actually enrolled ? Sir G. GREY could not at that moment give the re quired information, S:r J. PAKINGTON had beard a report that MOM men were expected to arrive from Germany quite unex pectedly. (Roars of laughter.) He wished to know whe ther this was so? Sir G. GREY hail not heard of any such expected arrival. Mr., ADDERLEY wished to call the attention of the house to a proposition for availing ourselves of the services of convicts in the Crimea. There were at the present mo ment 10,000 convicts in the Government prisons, and this amount was being recruited at the rate of 400 n.-year. A great number of these convicts—as mane be believe-I as 2,000 annually —were being turned adrift upon eocisty under letters of licence. The proposition which he now made had been brought under the attention of the Duke of Newcastle wh n he held office. but nothing had been done upon it. There was little doubt but that great evils arose from the present system of tickets of leave, and hail not -the excitement of the war turned public attention fro o it, the house would have had the matter forced upon its aonsi leration. But, in truth, the war wad the very reason for considering the subject, for 4 it afforded a means of dealing- with the matter which could not occur in a time of peace. At the very time when .these convicts, _able - bodied men, were turned alrift, without the means of doing anything for their living, the house knew that our army in the Crimea was sufferin g from want of men for the perfor ma n ce o f d u ti es w hi c h were now tin derteken by soldiers, although not properly coming within - the scope of , military matters. He would thetefere propose that.such of our convicts as were physical'' , fit for the duty should be sent out to the Crimea, to act strictly as Is labour corps only, They ought not to he used in any military duty, and their pay should be upon the task-work system. He believed that by this plen at least 1,510 men could at once be sent out to the East. Fie had consulted various persons upon this subject, who from their •know ledge of these men and the duties of a camp were compe tent to give en minion upon the matter. and on all sid7s he ha found the prop sition receiveil with a certain degree of favour. H e e a .a r ( , attn a rei-ort of the proceedings in mother plac that it w intended to Rend out a b rly of 2.000 nay vii.s to the East He thought that these men would not b; likely to be cerviceabl as convicts, fo -01,1 woulst'' net be amenable to mi7itary discipli .e—cerr tainir T 1 0 1:. to the extent to which convict lab •urers would be. He did not seek to raise a discussion upon the question at tied titne, but, he should vertai , ly take an o; portunity of be indite the matter undertho con-ideration of the 11 , 1180. Mr. J. O'CONe. ELL mad 1 not go into the pro! o , itioe of the hon. gentlem in, which he thought was sufficiently interesting to demand a substantive motion ; he only wished to refer to what ha 1. been said iu the earlier part of the evening with regard to the militia regiments in Ireland Hon. members had said that great danger' would arise if the inhabitants of the northern and southern parts we , e brought together in one regiment. He denied that this was so. He belonged to a militia regiment Himself. in which there were many gentlemen of religion and politics differing very widely from his own, and he could say this, that in that corps the only thought amongst its members was the then eht of doing their duty. Colonel DUNNE entirely concurred with the statements of the hen. member who had list spoken. Several subjects had been referred to in the course of that debate, which were exciting great interest throughout the country. First, as to the militia—we were certainty getting recruits, but they were mere boys ; and instead of vine out to fight, they went only to Scutari, or the grave. Then as to the foreign legion—he di t not believe it would be reply in time ; awl as to the Tarkish Isgion, he knew that the Os manli would not enlist under, or take drill from, the webs lieving Giaonr. Neither was the recruiting for the cavalry geing on favourably ; and the reason, in his opinion, was, that the pay offered was not enough to tempt the proper class of men. He h Ted that some member of the Gotern °sent would give 801103 explanation respecting the recent case of the Candi:), at Woolwich ; and also state whether any tents hail been this year sent out to the army in the Ciimea. Sir G. GREY begged to observe, with reference to the proposal to employ convicts in the siege' works, that there were two classes of convicts, those who having been sen tenced to three or four years' penal servitude had spent their whole period in prison or on the public works, and those'who had letters of license corresponding to the ticket of-leave of the colonies. He thought it would be a very hazardous pi ()position for the house to entertain, that a convict having served 18 months in prison should, on the strength of a good-convict certificate while there, be per mitted to enlist into the army, and form part of its regular corps, but with the tnen who having spent three or four years on the public works, had obtained a letter of ieense, the case was different. That class of men were expected to obtain an honest living in this country, and if it could have been done secretly it might have been de sirable to employ there In the works connected with our large military operations in the East. But the proposal to enlist thent into separate corps, to be officered by gen tlemen, lied been considered by Lord Panniure, who had come to the conclusion that it could not be entertained. With respect to that very useful class of men called " navvies " the best answer to the hon. mem b er ' s objection w as the success which had already attended their employment in the Crimea. (Hear, hear.) In the con struction of the BHA:J.IE6ra Railway they had given the most efficient. aid to the military operations, and he was informed that any number of these men might be obtained for work eot purely of a military character. The SPEAKER. reminded the house that orders of the day had precedence of notices of motion, whereas during the last three hours they had been discussing a motion which must be withdrawti, seeing that the house must meet to-morrow (this day) to attend a commission to give the Royal Assent to the Loan Bill. After a few words from an hon. member whose name we could not learn, Mr. 'MONS ELL explained that when the artillery horses were about being shipped in the Candle, at Woolwich, the captain remonstrated against the number about to be put on deck, and the artillery officers present immediately transuiitted the objection to the transport board. With re spect to the question about tents, his reply was 2,000 single tents had been sent otit since the beginning of the year, the commander-in-chief having objected to doub:e tents. Motion withdrawn. MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. A message from. the Lords brought down certain bills, including the Loan Bill. TENANT 3' COMPENSATION BILL. On the order for the adjourned debate on ,the second reading of this bill, Mr. GEORGE strongly opposed the bill, which be cha racterised as one for transferring the land of Ireland to the tenant. He especially ditecteebis objections ag , kinst the retrospective clauses. He complained, also, of the time which the hon. and learned author of this bill had chosen for reagitating thi, question ; and while there were points in the measure to Which be gave his assent, ho protested against the mixing up of tht7se good measures with others that meant nothing but confisc ,, titm• The SOLICITOR-GENERAL defended both the pro. 4pective and retrospective clau,es of the bill, as consonant to th e principles of na tural ju.tic-,, and fortified hise., If by the opinions of Sir Win. Grant, Lord Eldon, arid Lord Redesdale—t.on,! of them we ,ic conservators of the riOts of property—and by the opi, ions of ail writers and expo sitors on the principles of natural justice. He quoted the (minions of these eminent judges, which wont t o es t a b l i sh this principle, that if a landlord pertnitted a tenant to make improvements without remark, then he was bound to allow tl .) tenant compensation for those improvements, either in time or in money. Mr. MALINS expressed his strong 'dissent from the doctrines laid down by the Solicitni-I.=eneral ; and ha was sure that if Sir Wm. Grant and 1.0,rd Eldon could have heard the principles attributed to them, they would have started, affrighted : from .heir graves. He went at great length into the principles adopted by the Court of Chan cery in dealing with questions between landlord and tenant, which he said were totally opposed to those laid (loam by the Solicitor-General : and he was quite sure the hon. and learned gentleman would not, dare to apply such principles to Engla nd . yr —e "dialled for the day When he j -beard such doctrines dod by an English lawyer, an d that lawyer the zepres..a,,,Ave ut thu English Glveru ruent. Mr. DE VERE mane his maiden speech in support 9f the measure, which be characterised as one that llad no lilies; to do with party, and is a fair compromise between contending interests, which he hoped the house would, in the present tranquil condition of Ireland, press forward to a settlement. Mr. J. G. PHILLIMORE strongly opposed the retro epee t ive clause. . Mr. HOR , MAN was surprised to find how forgetful geutlemen on the other side of the house couhi be of what had taken place in previous sessions with regard to this subject. (Hear.) These hon. gentlemen expressed such astonishment and indignation at the Government per mitting even the iutroductieu of a hill deseribeil to be so monstrous in its principle and details, that one' would have supposed the question of retrospective compen sation had never been heard of till the bid of his hon. and learned • friend ; yet it was in its terms and in its : clauses almost preasely the bill which the House of Cdinumns Passed t• o years ago. (Heer.) They might recollect, masse, th;:t it was under the Government of Lord Derby that a retrospective clause, more extetedve than that in the peseut bill, was passed by the house. (Hear.) The prin i. le of retrospet i v,? Compensation was even affil*ed by the House of Lords. (Hear.) . The present Governmew; deelimet to take tes the. question, because, eller er hes hAt passe 1 during the lest few sessions, they despaired of cairsine !, bid on the subject. It was then that hi , hoe. and learned friend said that ho would introduce a bill of his o en. His hon. end leareed Mend aucerditiely ist tee (Weed e bid which, being the .erne in prieciple a , nl it) de tails with the bill wine: , had passe.! the Haus° of Com mons, and bad been affirmed by the House of Lords, it, wouA have been a strange position for the Government to tale if • ley wer. , to refuse their assent to the introduction ef such ,-, bill. (Haar, hear.) What had been the history. of the tenant co no-nsation tills? The tirst bill was intro duced about 20 years ago, by Mr. Sherman Crawford. Ten years atter that a bill was intro inced by one of the 1 tr,gest prop; ieto7s in Ireland, and by a distinguished memiier of the Government in 1815. In his speech cm that occasion the noble lord distirictle adopted the principle or retaosp, ctive compensation, and said that the tenant ',tight not to be turned ont of h s farm without compensation, whether it was his capital or labour that'he applidd to'its improvement. (Hear.) That was the first occasion when the principle of ret r -, - -five comeens ctiou had been advo cated in Parliament. (H ar.) In 1852 the light hon. gentle man the then Attorte y-General for Ireland (tlr. );eapier) introduced three t ills on the subject of landlord and tenant, and in one of those bale the principle of retrospective com pensation was laid down and caeried in that h use by a majority of two to tree. (Hear.) Tl•e right hon. getAleitan even laid it down that, the retrospeceve compeesation sh. old be unlimited as to time. (Hear.) The year after, the initiative was taken by the House of Lords, and two of the bills introduced by the right hon. gentlemen , passed the other House of Parliament, but the Tenants' Gempeti smtion Bill was dr , ep A. Seeing that the principlis of re trospective compensation had been affirmed by both( houses et . Parliament, tn. people of Ireland mi e ht jusilylexpect to see it carried out by act (1 Parliament at no distecnt, pe riod. (Hear ) The bill of the hon. I.nti learned gent:es man (Mr. Shee) was divided into prospective clauses anal into retrospective clause'. About the first there was no difference of opinion on either side of the house. He ad mitted, however, that the retrospective operation ot the bill was surrounded with eifficulties. (Hear, hear.) His hon and learned frier) (the S elicitor-General) had shown, however, that the principle of retrospective compensation was in conformity with natural justice and with the judgments of their courts of emits. The honourable and trod member for Wallingford, however, pail, that the learned judges whom his hon. and learned frietid quoted., namely, Sir W. Grant and Lord Eldon, would have started t*rom their graves had they heard the doctrine propounded that a tenant could claim compensation on being evicted from his lease. But his honourable and learned ifrien , • referred to evictions ' not of tenants under lease, but of tenants at will, w hi c h was the tenure of nine-tenths of the farms in Ireland. iHenr, hear.) The relation between land'ord and tenant in Irelerel was quite exception Al, and therefore it might be necessary to have an exceptiOnal le- . gislation. The fact that the proportion of lendloviti to the . acreage of Ireland was stualler than in any country of R e ope was lit the bottom of all the evils on this subject, (Hear.) In the race of competition for land,, 1 3 .hish landlord, without design a nd w ith ou t po li cy on h part., became unconsciously absolved from the obligations to which landlords in other countries were subject. His land became a will-mess, his estde became exhausted, and you .. had a miserable people competing for the high privilege ot earning a scanty subsistence from the latid of their both. (Cheers.) He had never uttered, and had never entertained any sentiments disrespectful or disparaging to the land lords of Ireland. They were themselves, in many cases, the victims of the circumstances in which they were Paced, and the et il of impoverished landlords was to be at to the evil of an impoverished tenantry. (Hear.) The •e lilt was, the total disorganisation of society in Ireland. He was speaking of a period a good many years back; yet a. period within the recollection of many who , iat ip that house. There wa.s no motive • for exertion, no rew:i.rd for enterprise; property became insecure, and even life its e lf was not safe. Such was the description of the state of Ire land given by the Earl of Derby, himself a large aroptieter in that country, and a good landlord. The peas int duelled himself against the proprietor, and the proprietor bad re course to insurrections acts, arms acts, suspension bf the Habeas Corpus Act, and to martial law—on one side the agitation of the people, and military violence on the other. That state of things happily passed away. The tteople improved in condition, habits, and character, and the proprietors became alive to a sense of duty. (Hear, hear.) They bestirred themselves 'to the perfminance of thei r duties in a manner that did them great hitnour, . and a ground of hope was thus opened up flor the people. There never was an instance on record of a Chan g e so sudden and so happy i n it s effects ; and it wa that which cast upon them the duty and responsibi ity of fostering that change. (Hear.) He should be indee sorry if any party feelings prevented them from promoting it. Ihe bill was open to several, but not very serious,' objec tions, and unless these were removed he would not feel justified in voting for it. He would state his grounds of objection. The first was, the bill pointed out a certein class of improvements, for which it proposed to "iv'n com pensation. tie th oug ht a ll i mprovements for Zell teen p eisai ion was granted ought te be tangible and material, which might be easily estimated ; in the writer there were Vie classes, iatillines, wards, and boundary . fences ; th bill added d •einaese (Sergeant Shee, " That was In the farmer bill.") That might be, but he objected to al owins compensetiori for recleintieg wa t e lands. His nexel'objec iion was, that the 14th clause allowed compensation feral) improvements made before the passing of the act, H_- ettached considerable importance to the objection of the hon. member for Wexford as to the amount of litigation, that it would produce- (hear)—and the advantages th it sttended the bill in some respects would be more thou counteib, lanced by the insecurity the clause would ;iv, rise to. He woul ! su gges t t h a t a petied shetilil be filed beyond which comp letation would riot run. (Hear, hear) • He would suggest as an, amendment th;tt the aumulit 01 compensation should ho limited to a certain sure--.ay so many years' rent; the number could be determined in committee. He a'so considered that comeensat on ought never to be given to a tenalt evicted for breach of contract or Mirep yineut of rent. If these objections were obviated, the Government were prepared not only to give their sop port to the bill in that and the other house, but to force:int it by every means in their pow, r. He would not ask his hon. frie• il the member for 'Kilkenny to m a k e th ese changes in his bill ; he left the question in the bends of the lrai•e. The Government were anxious to eniry the matter to a successful issue, aid not perpefa• i t e: a *r 1 8:: m b t not h eat VI v making a p ara d e o f ame .pure they knew they could not carry. 0, vern ine nt 4- ere 1 1 epered honestlyama up the hill if th e pr o vi s i on re whi c h thy could assent were struck , u 1 .,. If the house th oug ht th at t h e bil; ought to . " be ela, td in their hands, with such conditions -.old liwitatiibn+ as that they cord t ho eemey [import it, an d see their way toe, euccessfal sue, they were prepared to give it every stippor`, both itethat an 1 i n th e other house of Parli ame nt, which it could derive ffrailhing in th e heeds ot the Government. H av i ng sa id this much, he would leave the question with th e h ouse. • . Mr. DUFFY denounced the conduct ef the Gover nmen t for suggesting those alteratio ns i n th e bill , and called upon Messrs. Keogh. Fitzger a ld, and Ball to redeem the Pledges they gave to the pe o ple o f I re l an d a t t h e last election, anti resign their places in a G o v ernmen t th at would not support ' rtoi k, . 3 , this bill as it stood. Mr i ly te d w would support littlesnp p obretn benefit t e f s r e o c m o milt its o e a n ti c -- ing, i rihon A. H though he E a ß nt ß ic E i ration. Lord CLAUDE HAMILTON contrasted the speeches of Mr. Herewith and the Solicitor-General, and said the lat ter had gone far to embitter the whole question. With the suggestions of the Iri h Secretary he generally agreed, and, trusting that his amendments would be carped in committee, he would recommend his friends to allow the bill to be read a second time without dividing. Sir J. FITZGERALD supportel the bill. Lord PALMERSTON—Sir, as there is so general an agree ment on the second reading of this bill—(ro, and cheers) — Ido not say there is a unanimous agreement—but as the great majority of this house are agreed on the second read ing of this bill, I hope that the helm will determine to proceed with the second reading this evening. The course which her Majesty's Government are prepared to take on this bill has been fully explained by my right hon. friend the Secretary for Ireland, and I have not.iirmg to add on that point to the statement which he has made. I have heard it said that this is not the proper time for settling these disputes, but I think the time is peculiarly favourable. This is a Reject which has agitated the pnblio mind of Ireland for many years, and which gave rise to the greatest animosities, and to strong differences o opinion. The present moment is, as has been said, n in which these differences of opinion are likely to rise to the same height; there is a general content in Ireland; ar.el this altogether a time when you will fiiel the minds or men disposed to come calmly to the consirleration of any reason able proposition. It is true that this bill content platps o condition of things in Ireland different from what e stn England or Scotland ; hat that arises not lom arie fau n of the landlords or the tenants. I emelt• entirely in w has been stated by the hon. member who has just sat (town. that there are in Leland landlords as good as those ti found in any other c muntry. I undertake to say that the , are landlords in Ireland better. and ~,h, do more ft .r t! , it tenants than any landlords in England or Scotland. There are, doubtless, exceptions—landlords who, from tire limited means, are unable to do that for their tenant , which they ought or could wish—but Irepudiate altogether the wholesale abuse which has been lavished at times on the landlords of Ireland as a body of proprietors. (Hear ) On the other hand I repudiate the charges which have bean made against the tenantry of Ireland, and I believe thee are as capable of industrious energy as any tenantry in the world. The evils of Ireland %re to be traced in t e former history of that country. What has been that history ? It has been a record of civil war, rehellion, of con 6 seetion, of penal laws, of exclusion, of the largest hart of the nation from the p-ivileges of social exerti ,n,. and of the slotnination of a m a j or ity t o t h e re li g i on o f a immirity : All th ese things had ex c it e d hitt er an i ne r s i ties :but these ais i tti , s i t i es haw, and they bel ong t o a condition of oa , sed and are exti , igoidied, uith some d i fferences. Th ere t hi s bill i s d es i gne d t orernerly. In Irela id, tie still remains some defects, things which , O half a century ago, the land was not held in the way i , which piett in Englend and 'Scotland. Lamle that country it is v Icc try%er i ele u t td o person, who sublet them to one m more persons, who sublettel thew again, and thtte by 2 or 3 gradations middle men were interposed between the landlord and the occarrier. T h e n w hat Wee the tcnn,e of Sears, err three lives. The the land in Irehnd? The leases were imt first given at a t i l e mer g m t : lt t s — tr f a e r r ig 6 e i r on his own estate, and he had l l a w n eAr l o o s r t c , l e I w o u as s no interest in the occupying tenant, amid the occupying tenant had no affection for him. There was, in fact, no person interested in the hiproverne»t of the country. Why should the landlord s ee t o the improvement of the land ? Why should the middle man ? Why should the oc cupying tenant, who was too poor to do so? Therefore, the greater part of Ireland was in that condition, that there were no persons Connected with time ownership Hho were interested iu the improvement of the estates. When these long leases expired the landlords went to the other ex- ✓' • ----..----.. - ..-----........------ be treme ; they would the- -nlv give short , b is tenants tlun re ue l to ta ke th. 83 lesser vh : •,, v England and Seri 'nil are eousi,er,.l setEcient---i.Hoit fourteen or twenty. 'lie veers. That gun ratA thd h , is • i l t it , t t i l s e m fo a r ti t, d h e m i tt i LI p iti r g o ve iuen fences.t which the I. ish landlord has, midis th 3 iroke el t h - ' I ut this bill contemplates. - So far as the prospective 1,34' to the bill goes uob , ely seeing to object it. Th e i'il e ie, which' o bj e ction is felt is the retrospective clause. ..„de. hear.) ' As a general principle, I admit that it .std,"l 0 hirable t o i n t e rfere between lan.llords awl teuois 0 between other p4ties, and that the best arraven?:', , I leave the partiedree. (Hear, hear.) In principi,Trills admit it i s o ojectiouable to alter rttrospectively " betwO aonfdtbot3thiel•Vptli:ilivelnieutl7Llll,:i(:}f on w hi c h they have acted in settling the ielstiens _ isg to themeelves. Still, on the other hand, I think , n ot ite t i h ia e t p e e i c n u t l e i r a e r st co i n n i t i i t i i e o iutin(pArolivreeula:.iltsw, lii ;11 whohave refe r , ti tenant is obliged to make -out] :--that th e land is generally held shod one has ri:rcing due cultivation of the soil—that a 1 pi n k ir: ili ,i„so principle is justifiable in ibis entit, l the Pc 4 at i t e i I this bill, c o upled w ith th e ,;etrictior s : ,I n l :w o o for indicated by my right hen. fiiend, will g" .upe''' alai the feta, eo, to conapensa'ion which are equitable, titer 0f which must be a visible and tati,.;iiil e i m `' l 7. iCl ir in the relations between the landlord and the teosaisolor I should the landlord turn ' the tenant nu • ~3otrh,iik,rthtoe 00,..,a.f., , blot t 9 Either the hid' t r ill °f , I has aquarrel with his tenant, and desires to '!"- Ise 101 l ' ts or, seeing the tenant improving tleep ,t , ' I in 0 . of wishes te get the hem.fir. of the iniee ., et .- ' 4, " t ,,,,e , ' l ' reet it at a higher reed. The letter wo IV be s n ..„,blo proceeding °L. the part ,T any 1.,,,i,u.,;, a nd o t o b t : , 11 7, o i f , ti l landlord would resort to it. But with re lee re, 00 ° case, supposing the landlord has had some dine e l tr poP? his tenant, and should sae that he must gm ' w i lt bosel that the tenhas ereCted g, oil builing', e ' el 01 , man would in such a case 84 of -such a ten s f t hell' turn him out, but I will not appropriate expended in these improvements ; I will g et r ti tlsf , !` n, but I will not deprive him of the benefit a i , o, 1 0 11 ; 0 turn all his labour and expenditure to nIY eta 1)!,0 the , i t' d ! ' of biet a (Hear, hear.) Accompanied by the provisions.. I hin k ip j. been sketched out by my right hon. friend, I to wo ik ti ii even the retrJspective clause might he ma de so othe r , 0 vantageously. If this bill be accompanied hi ot tleL lv j, before the house, I think they will go far I ° o l 'o unfortunate differences which have so long og n 'i s ed el . t .. 1 If they would lead to the introduction into Ire' e le idl e '' to system which prevails in Blighted, by.vihich iico ll to erects on his farms those buildings which are coeo,,ere. increase the value of the estate, and to tenur.es_ l'oligle0.; duration, instead of the tenancy at will or M I ; t ..) { b bl, it would be a great improvement. ( oe3l ' / (4 ° 1,0 disposed not only to support the second resu in t whic h but it the house will agree to the ateendina besteellto tight hon. friend hiss suggested, I will gi ve T.; 4 0° to it, and I hope that thus amended ((;hem',tlo4) {llO course 05 the session be passed into lavf• scabies °,,,p. Mr. I. BUTT would 811 port the seConn ;;ttbeiV. p b o il r l f , e a a n tdberenlindee higc,,,p,,e,,:inieerf.riend:,`"i, j - bil e l iti . o e l retrospective clause ..• 1 ,1 }Te P len - h 4 Col ,net DUN NE opposed the bill, ee li of i ' 9 the bill brought in by Mr. Napier. . ~„e si ion,.4 , asli Mr. Sergeant HEE , would give the t' l itf o lre 0 " Government a fair consideration when l' ldi .it 0 r u e l 1 i d n a t fl e e o s n h 41'1 shape time of e th ia tt u t se d s a Mr GROGAN opposed the bill, and rnove ei el ,) ) rig nionths. al alto. to o After some further ceaversation, the holt o f 16 3 11l 'e bill was read a second time 1 y 3 li3Bj°lllloitiee,:fie The Cies oms Duties Bill went through ro e itv" - yin committee. a 110 , T other business was disposed 04 tin" jourued. ....................eee••••,........... COUNTRY if There was a small —.--.44.----- ill 4. , 1 04 bon' , , an d tho,,d rce.forie,; wheat and flour merely d i r r oces• t 00 0 1 Lrn at ß t r e P ' t a:7 ° l n , ir cei t 7 u T e s Gael oatmeal in model ate request, at f u ''' ' li u o i 10' 11 4 beans, and peas neglected, but oltlet6 vl r i e g 0 jer to any reduction. There were very tow '''' „ te a 11 :i . cure offeriug, and orders could not be e . 1 .. .. (j1 :i - t uiP per qr. for yellow, and 483 bil for whit e ''''' 0 --- If v 2. f 'ioi s WAKEFIELD- -ALA- itiers".l,' 11, Il l j A moderate attendance of buyers, but be i 'i t fri"' r )o , to 3s per qr. more for wheat than the prie d ' 11 :, (p er:oy i business was checked. Barley ls anti br„erito shelling (per load) Is to 2s dearer.'Oalli r , 0 0 .........-....... troni 0 1 EXETER -MA T 2. tel ''- dodo ~. ue A id ~, CORN.-In our market wheat w 1 39 " e 6 A 4 OW" 0 1 r to lOs Os l o( 6 Malting barley 4s 041 to 43 o ; eso N 0 0 g, Od to Oats, 3s Id to 33 6d. A t to Od. Peas, 00s Od to 603 Od. 00' co Od s ' . FLotnt. -Fine, 58s Od to 593 041; se o ,l o ,illl ilt od per sack. • . coa l l eii ,l CATTLE.—Prime beef, lOs 04.1 per seer s d r er ' l '; It i 12/. 12s to 151. ; butchers' c alves, s t l t° 4l. I" D li ' calves 00s to OOs each. Sheep, f 3 : ll !' o .' O s e ta e l 3 d per lb. Store ho , s, large size , ' - t h ot, -- ?.is to 40s ; small, es b to k os. S °u ! o re. Pork carcases from 8s 3d to 93 341 per 6 IP II INVERNESS.-- , i to 6/. ,p 0 CORN.-Wheat, white, per qr., . 66 ' ,v`oienldlb lillt ley, chevalier, 293 Od to 303 041; ditto i4,1:1'0,1! 23s Od. Oats, 28s Od to 29s 641. ‘ , 7 . 6,1 to .1 " ) ,,i to l) :,9 3 :, ------- MA'' 1. , 4 0,1, 0 0' MEAL.-Oatmeal, per imp. be ll ` ..- 1, 16s ''' i4 l 'o.lr 3ssiecoslTsi6oehdnrsoecdel.m,:e4:ooTrohktaseet;tmo2tedladlt,oitbtOoes,st.2,oo(pleperi beisortill.e:',::::toblio34:(':,:of peasemeal, 17s 6d to Os Od; bran , la er 241 d itt° 'eri'' i r 1. 7 Ist flour, per 2801 b, 603 Oil to 563 0 7. ; 1 41b ilOP, tt e,, p rO to Os Od ; ditto second, Os Od to Os ,'-,!t par, to OOs Od • peasemeal, is 10d to 030‘;1;9,11'01.cjit. 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