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P A RLI A M E N T, HOUSE OF LORDS, ‘VEDD:P.I.DAY, MAY 17. The Mose proceeded in Appeals.—Judgment g 5 given in the cause of Lidwill v. Grady, in fa 'our of the Respondent, affirming the Decree of the Court of Exchequer in Ireland. The oaths were administered to the Duke of Rotland. Mr. PArkhouse presented flie 16th Report of the Cat natic Commissioners.—Ordered to lie upon the Tahle. The Stage Coaches Bill, the South Sea Com pany., Bill, and the Transfer of Stock (Ireland) Bill, were brought up from the HonFe of Corn• Mons by Mr. 11. A. Taylor, Mr. Brogden, and other Members and read a first time. • The Glebe Exchange - Amendment Bill (extend ing► its provisions 16 Middlesex) passed r bro,igh a Committee, and was reported• withont amend- % Went. Temple's Divorce Bill was rend a first rime. Ity.,olveot Debtor:" Continuation Bill was read i !hit ti rime arid paired. Adjourn-et, till to ;tmmy (Ibis (lay.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The Speaker took the Chair at a gnarter to fair 6 - clock. The Right honourable Gentleman was so much affected by cold, es to be scarcely able :to speak distioeilv. AGRICULTURAL DISTRESSES. Mr. CARTI.VRIGHT presented three Petitions from different parts ot the county' of Northamp ton, complaining of Agricultural diSuesses, and praving relief. Sir THOMAS LETHBRIDG% presented three ['ell . - tions of a similar nature, tlont the Coon' yof So- • - Therset. DUGDALE, in presenting t Petition from the Aglichltotists ot ‘VArtvick, said that the t re , ses of this (lass ot persons lV ere C 411141 to those of the mannfacturers. He hoped 'he subject 'would be speedily brought under the cousittera lion of the House. Mr. DUGDALE presented n similar petition front C ertain Landholders in the County of Kept. Lord LoWTHER presented six PO it 'mils from different Lan•lliolders of WeStrporl9nd, praying relief from the distresses under which they la boured. _ _ The different Petitions were read and kid on the Table. _ -The Report of the Clerk of the Peace (Ireland) Dill was received and agreed to, and the Bill or dered to be read a third time to-morrow. Sir - J. SFBRIGHT, in presenting a petition from the Landholders of the Western part of the Count y of Hertfor'd, complaining of distress, and praying relief, begged it to he understood that he by no Means supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. DICKENSoN pre+e►►ted a similar petition from the County of Somerset.—Buth laid on the INSOLVENT DEBTORS' AC T. Lord ALTHORP brouLbt in a Bill tor the Belief of Insolvent Debtors, It ►vna read a first time, and ordered to he read a second !line on Wed !ICS.' day num, and to be printed: NAVY ESTIMATES. Sir G. WARRBNDER inovcil the Order of the Day, that the Llouse should resolve itself into a Committee of Supply. Mr. TIERNEY said, that lie had, not himself a ny oitjection to otter to the ttiotioo of the Honourable Baronet. But it having been ordered that pub lic business was to begin at five o'clock, he thought it would he proper to wait ontil that boor. There were many Members absent consequence of this understanding, who, perhaps could wish to speak on time HonOurable Member's jEotion. . _ Sir G. WARRENDER said, that he would not • at this early hour have brought forward his motion, if he thought it would meet with any opposi tion. He only meant- to move for a small sum on account, and this could not certainly cause any discuision. Mr. TIERNEY said, his only object was to see d.line drawn between public and private business. lie thought it better to adhere to the understanding gi,ven to the House, as to the period when public business was to commence. The SPEAKER thought it advisable to adhere to the Order which he telt it his duty to suggest, for the convenience of the House, a few days since. Ile hoped the lion. Baronet would, for the pre sent, withdraw his motion. The motion was withdrawn for the present. Lord G. CAVENDIsH presented two petitions fiom certain Landlioldets in the County ot Derby, complaining of Agricultural Distresses, and pray ingt relief. His Lordship t'lso presented a peti tion from the Debtors in the Gaol of Derby, pray ing laid on_the table. Mr. BROUGHAM gave notice, that an licn. Friend of his would, soon after the Holidays, tiring forward a Bill to repeal certain Acts which prevented.the removal of Pauper Children from the City of London to tbe County of Devon and another,County, by which means their education was obstructed. Mr. J. SMITH expressed his satishietion tit this notice being given. This Bill would bring the r o ar Laws under the co us.r.erat.; rm of the House, and he trusted some material alteration would be wade in tbe:n. PUBLIC BALANCES. Mr. P. GRENFELL gave notice, for Wednesday, of a motion for the production of certain Ac counts relative to the Public Balances in the hands cot the Bank ; and also for certain other Accounts, Chewing the sums paid to (he Bank for .what is called ManagiugAiltePublic Debt. VOTE OF SEAMEN (IN COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY). On the motion of Sir GEORGE WARRENDER, the noose' , resolved itself into a Committee of Supply. The Speaker having left the Chair, The Hon. Baronet ob4rved, that as the items to be moved were the same as those of lost year, be would not d e tain the House upon them at pre sent. He intended to move for a sum of 500,0001. in advance, for the oi - dimity Naval service, re- scrlillg toy discussion do `tile detail; to a future • 1 be following Itesolutions were then put and carried— _ - - - - -" That a number not exceeding - 23,000 men, inclndin? 2,000 marines, be voted for the naval service of this year.. • " That a sum not exceeding 650,3451: be granted_as wages for the said number of men, at the rate of 21. 3s. 6d. per man per month. " That a sum not exceeding 612,9501. be granted for vic tualling the said number of men, at the rate of 21. Is. per man per month. " That A sum not exceeding 612,9501. be granted for the wear and tear of the ships manned by the said men: " That a sum not exceeding 104,6501. be granted for the ordinary sea service of the said ships. • " That a sum nut exceeding 500,0001. be adranced on ac • count, fur defraying the naval expences of the said ships and " men. _ The House hiving resumed, the Report was brought up, sud ordered to be received to-mor tow (this day.) LATE PROCEEDINGS AT MA:Y.IO4ESTM 1-14)Etiouse said, he was requested by his tionnui able Colleague, the other Member for IVestminsler, to state, that softie mistake had beets made in eritezirg his (Sir F. llitrdeit's) notice on the Jonrnals• His notice vvas, that soon Jitter the . holidays he xvoidd submit to the llouse a mtvion on the late proceedings at Manchester on the 113 , b August, and not on' the proceedings at Oldham, as he believed it to have been owed. The SI.F.Ar.F,II, alter over the papers, said. the linnouraMe li.rone!'s nto , ion t‘a,en tered, " utt the proceedings at Manchester in August ' Mr. llonnouss begged pardon for the mistake into which he h-ad been led.—The motion. was iben fixed for Tburday, the Bth of June. second readins of the Dnhlio Foundling Hospital BM and tile Dublin House of Indns:ry Bell were postponed to to-tnotrwv. CIVIL ,us.r. Lord CAsTLFBEAori moved the Older of the I)4y for going into a Committee on ate Civil List 13,11. On •he question being put, do 14 , ,,ve the Ch 4 r,"— " That the Speaker tlr.'BetrslET objected to the conduct pursued by the Noble Lord and his colleagues on this int por•tant quetion., inasmuch as they acted merely on he Report of a COIMDItfee-appointed by ltiy Majesty's Ministers themselves. They were now asked to 611 up the Civil List as in the year 1816. Then Mr. Perceval said, (hi not intet fete wi:h us on this occasion, and the time most soon come ►Then a general revision it d consideration of the Civil List roust come betore the House. 'rite Civil List was then built on an Average bt of the dearest years known in England ; and from the - change in the corrency the same sum certainly worked better for the Crown and the Ministers by 25 per cent.; the difference in the currency between tl.ese.periodsbeingegnal to that amount. Such a stun rues now tioneee,sary. There was, but one increase in the Civil Lis: dUring•the reign of George IL when be asked for 400,0001. only, and that not to pay debts, but iu consequence of whet deticiencies. 'lire Civil. List had lately been paid in increase nine times over to the amount-of. nearly font millions. The same principles go verned the country for the last GO years . ,..and well those who govet tied might say it worked well , for them, but certainly it tlid , not Wotk rro well for the good of the country. It - might be the voice of, Jacob, .but it was certainly the hand of- E9Bll. It was not fittiOg. when the - people were in beggary, that the 'Monarch should be it; unnecessary and gaudy splemiour, lie thought some further consideration o f t h e mea sure necessary, and soon atter the holidays he gave. - notke of his intention to introduce a Bill to pre vent persons holding pensions on the Civil List front sitting in the House of Commons, just in the same manner as persons holding places under the Government had already been, It was sa id b y a Right Honourable Gentleman opposite, that the House had no right to call for any papers or ac couots connected with the Civil List, and for this assertion, the autholity of Mr. Fox was quoted. Had he been in flee House at the time, he should have contradicted the statement ; for Mr. Fox, so far from entertaining such opinions, held senti• ments quite oppositr, when Mr. Burke's Bill was under discussion. lie then contended, that it was the duty of the House to inquire into the expen diture of the Civil List, and even to resume former grants if they should appear to have become un necessary. Thus he thought it necessary to state, as the opinions attributed to Mr. Fox on the sub ject of the Civil List seemed to be in contradic tion to the whole tenor of his life. The SPEAKEN hating left the Chair, and the question being put on that part of the Civil List connected with ireland, Sir J. NEWPORT said, he had carefullylooked into the Acts of 1793, in which the Civjl List of Ire131;(1 originated. There it was divided into 13 classes. In the present Civil List there were only four including the salary of the Lord Lieu- tenant. 11 that office, which be considered of doubtful eligibility, was to continue, he hoped at least that the addition of 10,0001. 4-year formerly made to the salary, would be withdrawn. The classification of 1793 he considered much prefera ble to the present. Lord CASTLPREAGI4 said, the emoluments of the situation, previous to the addition of 10,0001. were found quite inadequate ; and even with that .addition were not sufficient to meet the necessary expenditnie. One Noble Duke, who lately filled .the Office, suffered so tut uch in his privkle fortune, that be was induced to accept a situation abroad. The addition of 10.0001. was paid out of the Civil List, and if the reasons for which it was originally granted were good. there was no groomd for sup posiog that rhey did not still exist in full force. Sir J. NEWPoRT thought the amelioration of the cutrency, to the amount of 251. per cent., was a good ground for withdrawing the addition 'of 10,0001. This amelioration made a considerable diffetence between 20,0001. in 1812, which was then the salary ot the Lott! Lieutenant ot Ireland, and 20,0001. in 18'20. The Noble Lord said, the addition of 10,0001. was thrown on the Civil List in place of the Consolidated Fund ; but it should be considered that an increase was added to the Civil List, which rendered it capable of bearing this charge. Unless there was some future op ' portunity of proposing a reduction of the Lord Lieutenant's salary he should certainly press it now. Mr. C. GRANT dill not think the peseta en- tiry More &In atieleare to Ott neos;riti o Oxpetien of 'he sit tiatiort. He telt confident that the Noble Lord Veho filled it at present %%wild lie a cons,de rable loser were it •not that everything was con ducted with .the greatest economy. It would he too hard if the office coold trot he accepted) with out certain .itijory to private fortune. Mr. Tetetesv said, the only knowledge he had of the office was derived front the paper formerly laid Upon the Table, in which it Was-divider) into 12 or 13 classes. The question sYBS, whether the sitnation -was such a one as should render any expenditure of private tortune quite unneces sary. When the salary Was only 20,0001. he never beard of. any person whO 'refused it on that account. Some were of opinion that the office was not necessary. Of this he could not form any opinion. It however it was to be considered as a mere situation of money, it was their duty to lOok into the matter before they agreed to this rote.: They owed it to the public to ioquite SIOII seas necessary. Sir H. PARNELL did hot see any great advantage derived by the city of Dohlio from the expeodi -taire,ot a salary of 30,0001. The. country, no doubt, was notch indebted to the Noble Lotd, who at present filled the situatioo, as well as to the Bight IlOn. Gentleman oppo s iir (Mt . Grant.) They had dote much to temove prejudices which hitherto had been prodnetive of serious injury ; 30 0001. was not the only expsnce incitholai to the sitratitto. It cost rni less than 100.0001. a year, a great deal of whieli might be saved if a, 'different p•licy was adopted. Load CAO-etttre,i6ti•sAid,. !bete .was no objecs tion tee gierea Speeifie,iiiol) of the way in which the Irish Civil List was applied. The ooly queetion tosw was, as utu the piopriety.ot the all.. tlirion Made in 1810 to the 14" 1 10, fa". e"a"C 3 ; a measure which was then - adopted atter tic and matore discussion. Ile could 14,b0k upon this propositioo as introdticed for nrenther purpo,e than to gut rid' ut the office altogether by a side wied. He was trot prep3red to come toi he con clusion that it oas useleas. It would be a den gerons.ettPeriment •eo try how the whole machine of Government could moils without the iuterven tioa of any prrsOn_of rank and ability is represent it in that country. With respect to the aticiiuion of salary,- however the value of currency might )lave risen, he did not believe the Lord Lieu tenant experienced; in-consegoetice of it, any great saving in housekeeping. It the Right Ho). Ba ronet (Sir John Newport) formal iiiinselt by the rise of currency 25 per cent. bet 'er, lee was a So litary instance. 'He did not think it at all desir able that the place of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland should be such a one as could not be filled by able and experienced men,.. unless they possessed . besides the ample means of such Noblemen as the , Duke of Bedford" or the Duke of Devonshire.--- Lord Whitworth, for instance, a person of great $ experience, who filled many importatit missions,' and whose fortune, though ample, was not ores, grown, .was he to he shut out front such a situa tion because he could not fill it without great in jury to his private fortune 'The Right tioa. Ba ronet might, if he pleased, bring the subject su tler the consideration of the- House in any' other shape, but he hoped he would nut press his objec tions upon the present occasion. Mr. Strew was surprised that any Irish Member, should wish for the removal of. the bird 'Lieute nail! from Dublin. Toe citizees of Donlin would. be ,strongly oppOsed to such a proposition, tines: he hoped - that for the trifling sum which the Lord . Lieutenant cost this coati y, a measure would never be adopted which would cause such exteo sive injury aid • ruin. Sir J. NeweouT wished the salary of the Lord Lientenaot reduced to what had. been found suffi cient in former times. As to what he bad said of. .a virtual increase leaving taken place of 25 per cent. front the state of the currency, he advanced it not on his nwit authority, but merely adopted statement that had . been made over and o ver again in that House, without contradiction. The Nobie Lord, speaking on this subject, seemed to, have recourse to the argument ad honiineni, when he inquired if his laconic had been increased 25 per cent. by the change, Whatever the effect of. it might be. on his very limited income, be „con trived to live within it. Lord CASTLEZRAGH .disclaimed all allusion to the income of the -Right .Hon. Baronet. With respect to what he said of the 25 per cent, it appeared• that be advanced it for himself, but had merely picked it up from some one who had dropped it. Mr. W. POLE said that the salary when only 20,0001. was quite inadequate. Every • person. who filled the situation in his time expended double that sum. The Lord Lieutenant had many important duties to perform. The situation was very far from being a sintsettre. lie was at the head of almost every public charity, and a cowl derable part of his salary went towards their stipport. • Nothing, he was convinced, wouirt give more dissatisfaction in.. Ireland than the idea of withdravt ing him. Such an event would, be looked upon by the Noblemen and Gentlemen of the country as a very serious evil, because it would deprive them of a Court, which was a matter of as much importance there as here. T bete were in that country Gentlemen of as high a mind a s Were to be found in any other, and it was de sirable that they shotildliave an opportunity, when occasion required, of communicating immediately with the representative of Majesty. Their pride would naturally be hurt it thete was no possibility of doing it, unless through the intervention of SeCretary or any other Officer of inferior rank. He would say there was luridly a man of re spectability in Ireland oho 1 did not think t lee greatest calamity which could happen to that coun try was the abolition of the Lord Lieutenancy.— As to the s'alary, he would agree with the Hon. Baronet, when Mr. Perceval had proposed an increase, it was not intended that the salary should be adequate to the expences incurred by the person holding +he office, but that it should be such as would induce a man of rank to undertake the office without ru n ning the chance of mining himself. He was satisfied that no man could perform as he ought the duties of that high office without a sacrihee of 10,0001. of his own pro perly.. He did not, drink the 1101 i, Baronet ever intended t Ireland should be deprived of a Lord L;eutenant, but that the salary should be f'itthile4l. die salary tVete iVoilla be impossible for Koyexcept }I man of overgrown proper! y to dccept the office without ruining himself. Mr. TtgagaT said, be did not lend himself t° the introduction of any proposition for depriviDg Ireland of a Lord Lieutenant. Sir H. PARNaLL- , - , With respect to the assertion of the Learned Member opposite respecting the opinion eniertained in Ireland of the Lord Lieu" tenancy, lie should decidedly differ from Wow"! The Hon. Member lived for a considerable time in the Castle of Dublin, and it was not probobl d that he should hear anv thing in that place against. the Lieutenancy; but he (S i r H. P.), who pas B " ed a considerable part of his rime in the Country./ heard many express an opinion that a great alte'' ration was wished for in the Executive Govern.' merit of the Country. He would recommend Oa! there should be in Irel tlid, as in England, Lora Lieutenants of Counties ; tand he thought the j , % , ecutive would then go on as well without a. Lie''' . tenant. The principal defect was the want of di'. rect communication with the Executive. 111 r. BARING would be sorry to see the oflice ih question abolished ; at the tame time he wo" 1(1 ‘ observe, on the genet al question of reducing thg , salaries, that whenever any reduction of this de- • scription was proposed, they were told from : 11° other side, that if there were no salaries, the si" tnations could be given to persons only of lai fortune„• Such he Ivas sole , hid been the iii ' riahle prac:ice since he hatl had the honour Of L l. ' seat in that ['wise'. When the 10,0001. hid bee" added to the -salary of 'cite Lord Lkutrit.op tiff . there was sortie shadow of excuse itt th. dtereased slate of the etnreney at th e t i me t h e jo' 'crease-was tuide. , It. was a circumstince worthy of rematk, in reflecting Ott the inetinalitv of s 4 ' larks, that the Governoti of the C a pe o f 000 ,1 Elope had a salary of 10.0001.; which was :net C 111111'S !Midi as the sKldries , tiric h e d the colonies. When the fortunes of rll persons e 3 ; fft present were seen to be reduced, he thought it e tair case for consideration vrbether the salarie s of public oilierrs should not ,be reduced ako. a proposition he, thought vtioidd ben very tale to be brought before the House, trod in every re" sped deserving of its attest The clause vvos thin trgr'retl to, and the &het eh of the Bill hAving been iTiine thr►>,►gh, ;he House resumed, anti the Report cyas ordered to be received to-morrow. The other Orders of the try viere the disposed of, and the Ilnose adjourned. . Sfitne labourer , who were lately employed b/ Mr. NRAtart, in trenching the land adjoining th a Don-John Field, in Canterbury, came in cont4e r with a steamed grave containing the perfect ske' leion of a - man, who from the teeth which re" . mained in the jaws appeared to have been' of grell e age. The !pave was steamed in chalk, and fron t. the composition of the mortar wi!li which i t was worked, as well as from some old fottinfatio o4 near it, is conjectured to h ave b een w i : bi n tho Ote of the_ Chinch of SL John, which, it is said , formerly spoon there-abouts. From the appear': anceof the grave, it is supposed to have remainto undisttubt-d maiq centuries. IMPORTANT t:'!OIIYrATION.—From calculating by the College Of l'hy.sici . yins, no . less than 40,0° 1 ' die annhally itr Great Britain or ;Consunoinini ), . anti at leant ia,ono in London. Thedve ,Turnbull, Eq. a very ingenious Surgeon, ace y taitietl 'chat every 2011) person was ruptured '• ;These complaints , are truly alarming to every ill' 4livirlual who uses the letst exertion. , It is 0 511 iuctetlible the. number that quiler troth a certaill Disease, by being improperly trPar-ell; It tv 4 ; those circumst ance.s,itsduced I)r.l,:onrEi to sele c o eminent Physicians and Surgeons, of at least 3 1 years' experience,, to fount a Aletlical, Board ; 10 ' since the establishment upwards of 39,000 I" . lbents have been cured without, rOnfyiement". many of them after ipyspitals bad Messrs. COOPER and Co. are consniten ic Woodstock -street, Oxford.sttect ; and gt lot I e 11Ouse, Great Charlotte. st reel, opposite l b.. Rev. Rowland Hill's, daily, from eight till eir lt Mechanics have advice gratis ere! y evening, I° l l l3 six till eight ; and on Sunday mornings until I • o'clock. !,.. t .* RUPTURES of 30 years standing radicoll cured uithout confinement. *4.* There are private doors at each house, 314' • plivare r00r...A for Females. N. 13. The Afflicted would do well to resea; Messrs. Coom and Co.'s Lectures on two P r if vailinu, Diseases, published at one shilling , ! l l' Mr. HARVEY, 22, Ildackfiia , s-road. They i ll also. prove memo! to young Practitioners: Yesterday, in Gloucester-place, Portman-square, the of Wil I.vocit, E B sq. of a son. At Ainolilly, N. ~1 on the stk 'inst. the Lady of the , William Fraser, of a son and heir. MARRII4".D. t St' On Monday, the 15th inst., (for • the third timeo,9the Chntient-Dain,, by the Rev. William Gurney, Rector, 4-'4104 tine 3e-wetter Louisa ['lnland, third daughter of the late; od Putland, Esq., t. John George Frederick Hassel, Esq.• resident at Bottlogne-sur-Mer. The prtrties were preri ° ,; l 4/ married at Boulogne-stir bier on Tuesday, March '2! t 33l and at the British, Ambassador's, Paris, un Tuesday , Fe`" , I li 20. I , • On the 11th of April, near , Dult!in, - Olivia, te° 4 Dowager of Rosse. Her Ladyship was ill her 90th yeritli S" Yesterday- morning, at Bellmoor-howe, Hatop , te' w ' John Jackson, Bart., of rlsey, in Bedfordshire 10" • 1,1 1 0." ,1 On the morning of the 13th instant, at his ni..tther 7 l ot in Newport, in! he Isle of Brevet-Liel:tenan t-C. Oll Henry Worsiey, Senior Maj... of his M a j e ,ty's 34th Keg: o o of Inf.:tiny, Captain a Yarmouth Castle, and Compa" - , the Most Honourable Order Of the Bath. ,• f‘e - . Mar In, in ning-street, Canterlittry, Mrs. 11.111111,431.:3, Ferret the a oit dvced b,. age of ps, ,ears, taring lived 1 ;0 1 ' r o re i g n s o f four Kin,zs Logland, and been subjected " c; oas diversities at !mm iic , . • °,'si On'Fridny morning last, Mrs. ilarri ; oiq of the T,30, Hotel, Covent-ga n rde. /. f ort,e f .d on Sunday 1,,t, at Hackney, aged 73, of a at 0 3 . ) 60 ,,i Mrs. lilizafteth . Dronwne, sister of the late ,Nlr. W• Browne, Of Cripplegate. o f tA LONDON: Printsed 43. B. CARSTAIRS, of No. ' LP v ' %I:d i A llr Ormond-street, Qelt-S.3IIATC; and l ").' s hvu SCRIPPS, of No. 7. South Molto n - str eet, at 1 , Office, No. 11=2, Strand ; where .iitiVettigerflentS, , Letlets, &e. (vost-pastel) must be a:Wrested. '. , 2 . ( k 4 Ara )asi td I. T, 4th !att th e tr, 1 10 tvi Th, ci 4 htl(