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1"lie House 12sil Tleilized itself to take i ;titer their earliest and most setions considera• lion, and he, therefore, doubted the toopriety, Lifter the successive adjournments which had al "-ready taiien place, of huller adjoorning the coo. 'sideration of tt for ten days Or a fortnight. It :mas true that the Noble Lord had suggested that their attention might he earlier called to the sub ject by some proreedi-g on the part of the other House. To him it appeared, that under tie cit. remstarices of the case, the proposed adjoitrws inetit woold he objectionable, and he thOug it it would have bun better tat a new Message shrodil have been brought down ro suspend for- Hier pro , ceiling's on the former Message. Of the three courses of proceeding, by impeachment, by till of Pains and Penalties, and by Divorce, he believed that the former two could not be origi ttated in the her dotter. Mr. S. WokTezy had supported Ministers ; hut if an amicable arrangerneut could be concluded by their retirement trout office, he should think it a cheap 'sacrifice. His vote should be guided by onsiiieratino 'hit the House bad no al'eria t ilie Illustrious Personage wanted more time to piepare'berdetruce.it ought by all means to be granttd-, if it was to be properly applied.— The - Q:ieetr might have acceded to the Address of the House, and travelled throughout Europe as the acknowledged Qm•en of England. He agreed that it was a dilemma in which they had got, but was there not an evil on the other side ? Would the country be satisfied without inquiry, when theve were charges agoinst a person at the head of one branch of society in this country ? He was sure they would not be satisfied. neiti:er would it be satisfactory to the illosirious Personage bet self. Air. Float-muse said, he 'ovoid(' state the reason on which he should give his most hearty suppor; to the amendment. He rhooght Ministers oug .0 110► to be allowed to retract, or in any way to get out of this measure, without some opinion being expressed (and immediately too), on 'heir con duct. He had thought it was impossible for her Majesty to comply with the late Resolution, and tar trona thi , king that great concessions had been inade to her in the preceding negociations, was of opint , ifi 'hat there hid been no coucession et Mien is MIS said the King could not re tract, he would say that the Constitution of this country recognized up King that could not retract, and 'll the course of these proceedings he would maintain that to-eat retractation bad already taken place. To him it appeared that the Queen had gained nothing by the Negociatiou but the means of going out of the country in a more suit able manner than she had, come to it. He be lieved that Ministers would have been glad to get her out of it on any terms. He could not under stand how !he Green Bag was to be got off the table. An Hon. Gentleman on a former evening bad compaied the situation of Ministers to that of certain characters in the Rehearsal ; but the Hon. Member tut Bt tither and his associates, perhaps, ra her resembled 'hose in a drama founded upon it, the Critic, where Lord Burleigh says to Mr. ruff, ir Hot, Sir, y u have not told us low we ere to get off."—" 11'Iry (replies he) cannot you get off kneeling ?" "No !" " Egad, it will have• ft goo!) effect it yin go off praying." The ques tion was loodly called for— Mr. RIMMAN rose to explain that her Majesty, in chalet egging public inquiry, did not depart from the original principle which dictated her Message demanding - padic justice. The proceedings in another place would prevent the Law Officers of her Alajzsty from giving any vote, the effect of whirl. would be to ~ i !hdraw the question altogether They left it to the Honse to de. ci'f The Hon. Mender for I, kshive ,seemed to hate tnis att. the purport of the amendment. lit went only to sink for ever inquiry in the way which had bent proposed by Ministers, but not to Stop investigaAotr. 'the question was now on a stew foo , ing: it was not touch- ing the •honnnr of the ; it was not as to the Q , ,e n's 'coming to Bogland; it was not resptoing the publication of documents in the newspapers (of wield) he approved and thought no -one had cause to complain except his Learned Friend Mr. Brou;..ham) ; but as it seemed to him that the character of cer tain individuals who had interfered unsuccess fully, should be vindicated, he did not thick _ it necessary to inquire into the wounded pride of this fourth estate in the country, but he knew that the House could have bo intincement to vote for an inquiry which it had declared would be injurious to the Country, and derogatory to the honour of . the Crown. As for aie Green Bag they (the Queen's Advisees) did not fear the charges it contained ; it was only its falsehoods they dreaded, and tire Pole delay they required was to enable them to meet these charges satisfactorily, of which they had no doubt. They asked in the hrst place an open trial, and if not that, as fair a trial through the interposition of the Secret Com mittee as 'vas possible: Mr. WyNN explained. Mr. WESTERN said, the - object of his amend ment was to negative the appointment 01 the Se rret Commh tee entirely ; and it his amendment teas carried, be would tullow it up with a respect ful Address to his Majesty, suitable to the oc casion . Mr. W/LBERVORCE was sure that impartial his tory would stew, that her Niajesty's houour was perfectly secured by a large majority of that House. He contended that considerable conces sions had bern made to her Majesty, such as her being acknow ledged at a F ore i gn Court ; but she would taut give tile only point in dispute, the res toration of her name to the Liturgy, a point which siecer had been rendered necessary its his opinion. it was on the hope that her Majesty would concede that point ; and it was on that -point that his hopes, hall beets dashed to the , groond.— He entertained the same opinion of the evil and (looker arising from this itiquiry ; and be had no he6l(ation in adopting the words of the Resolu tion, that it would he derogatory to the dignity of the Crown, and injurious to the best lute rests of the Country. It would be contrary to common sense, however, to dismiss this i n quiry sitogether, although he was of opinion that a lsecret examination would be a most unadvised measure. It any icquily were to be had at all, it would he better done by the flouse of Lords than by theVl ; because the House of Lords was a Court live of Jrn;tive, and they were not. But be felt it ply, that they were ton much in the habit of marrying their Kings and Q uee n s co ntrary t o the .. , ,reat laws of God and Nature. All :bey c, , 01d do, was to see ju.4tice done, ,ind as far as they could, ithont any injostiee to public morals lie de plored tire situation in which the Queen was dared in the early pin of her life; and ite wished that this inquiry could he stopped, because she herself would be .as great a sulTerer by it as any one else. Mr. SCARLPTT was not certain which way the Hon. Member who spokelast meant to vote ; but twin the dangers he apprehended from the open tug of this Green Bag, be (Mr. Searlett), thought the Hon. Member could vote no other than -tor the removal of that Green Bag from the table for ever. He thought it unjust and ongenerows to the weaker party to call on the Queen -to make concessions, instead of the House tailing; on Mini , sters to make concessions to her. Her name should have been restored to the Liturgy, whence it never should have been withheld ; and it was a false feeling, that refusing that restoration, they were consulting the honour awl dignity of the Crown; for it was only supporting the consistency of Mi nisters, with which the honour and dignity of the Crown had nothing to do. Ministers, if they bad a case against the Queen, should have cone down on their own responsibility, and proposed a specific measure on the subject, instead of throw ing the whole responsibility on 21 Gentlemen This inquiry might produce a Revolution, and was any Gentleman ready to lend himself to such a pas sible circumstance, by sitting on such a Committee? Was it prudent in times like these to inquire how much guilt might be sufficient to dethrone a Queen.? Such a step might lead farther than be ,vould attempt to mention. He declared that hr would hate surrendered his life rather than have advised the King to have sent down such a charge against the Queen; but it seemed that we had Ministers wholiad advised that measure, rat her than surrender their places. From the vacilla tion of Ministers the country wes convinced; and never would believe that Ministers had n case against the Queen ; tor the whole matter. was he ween Ministers aid her, and not between the King and the Queen. He thought they ought to lose no time in declaring that they would never consent to a Secret Committee. Hose could the Queeil's coming to this couutry force this inquiry upon then) She was not a bit more innocent or guilty in cooling here; and if they bad a case against her, it most ,have been as complete a twelvemonth ago as now. Hr hoped the Country Gentleman would vote for the d: lay of six months, and =tot support a weak and feeble Adtuinistra , ion ; but if they preferred a revolution, the blame be upon them, tor all re volutioos had been preceded by weak and VaC cillatiog Counsels, Mr. W. SMITH followed on the same side. He bad voted wile the majority last week, but would now-vote for the amendment, aod both on the same ground, because he thought the good of the country required that the inquiryshould not be gone into. He lamented the way in which the discussions on this question had been conducted, as the inferences drawn from them must be pro ductive of great evil. Mr MARRYAT was much cheered for something with which he - set out, but the noise in the House prevented his being heard in the Gallery. He roe, eded to impute the failure of the House in a great measure the manner in which the Ad- dress to the Queen had "been worded. They be gun by star tug that there were concessions to which het Majesty might justly object, arid then they required of her .0 make all these concessions, In the same paper they treated her as gu il t y an d as mnoceut, and it was not surprising tha. their a d v ic e was thrown away. No doubt the intention of the Hon. Member for Bratnber was good, b ut hi s judgment in this instance dill not equal the merit of hits design. It also stated that inquiry would be derogatory to the Crown and hurtful, to the Public, and this put Ministers into an awkward situation now, when by the refusal they were compelled to come to the House and ask it to be pursued. They had in fact before 'them a choice of difficulties, and if it was more derogatory to the Crown and more injurious not to proceed than to go on, which appeared to him to be the case, they were only adopting the least evil when they determined to prosecute the question to an end. Much had been said of the fatal effects of this course, but no explanation had been given as to their na ture. The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Wilberforce,) it was true, accompanied his declarations with explanatory gestures, such as shutting his eyes, and extending his hands ; and the Honourable Member for Yorkshire,bad affirmed that it would be enough to pollute the minds of their wives and daughters ; but he was of opinion, t that the opening of the Green Bag itseit, would not be so productive of reports so vile as those already every where in circulation, and which Rumour, with her hundred tongues uttered against ail the parties concerned in this transaction. On every ground of expediency and justice, he thought the eat best thorough examination of the whole matter most advisable, and would vote for the Noble Lord's motion, as fixing the shortest period. They bad already treated his Majesty with suffi cient disregard. Mr. BROUGHAM, in a brief explanation said, that all the delay wanted on the part of the Queen was a sufficient time to produce evidence to disprove the accusations against her. The import el the words in the negociation which settled the basis on the ground that the outside shout(' retract and the other side admit nothing, had he conceived been mistaken. It had been assumed that they meant that there should be no concession on either side, but if that had been their meaning, it would have been quite ridiculous for the Commissioners to . meet five times afterwards to endeavour to settle terms. All that they im plied was, that neither of the parties should con cede any thing inconsistent with their honour, but that the Queen might concede, or the King, or Ministers retract or concede any other points on which they- might otherwise be disposed to in sist.—The House now divided— Fur the briginal motion Against it Majority for Ministers -95 Mr. BROUGHAM Said, be bad been ye! y ill lately; and therefore Lc threw Itimbelf on the ii111(111055 01 We received this morning lire Paris t ' dpe►a of Friday and Saturday last.—ln the Chamber of Peers, on Thursday, the Report was made by the Marquess de FottTANEs frOm the Committee on the Election Projei ; 27 Peers were inscribed to speak for on or against the Projet. The opening of the discussion was'adjourhed till Saturday. The discussion oh the Budget in the Chamber of De puties was continued through Thursday and Fri day,'and again adjourned till Saturday. On Friday, after a watin debas e, a reduction proposed by the Committee of 200,000 francs, under the bead of Military Schools, was negatived on a scrutiny, 99 to 93. These Journals confirm the arrival of the Duke DacazEs at Paris, but which did not take place, it appears, till Thursday afternoon. In the even ing, at ten o'clock, he went to pay his respects to the KING, and was with his MAJESTY for an hour. The Duke was also to attend at the Thuilleries 06 Friday evening. His MAJESTY, it is said, was to resume his accustomed airi►'gs on Monday last. Accounts frotiNlsTantes of the 19th state, that all was quiet there on the preceding evening. The Theatre, however, has been closed, as also that of Toulouse. FIVE PER CENTS. Thursday 76 f. 50 c. Friday 76 f. 85 c. DEFERRED STOCK. Thursday. Friday. Of the 22c1 March, 1820....92 f. 10 c..... 92 1. -- a. The state of the question respecting the QUEEN must now be brought to that issue which we have all along pointed out as inevitable, viz. an open investigation of the charges against her. Nothing else can vindicate her character, or justify the conduct of Ministers. On her arrival she de manded an open trial. D7inistei•s were ready to v.ccede to her wishes, and resented to PAIN.• the lion. Member for Aberdeen to give him up his motion fir Wednesday, and then he would bring on the question of the Education of the Poor on that day. Mr. Hums consented. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Twelve o'Clock. THE ARMY. The following General Order bas been issued, by his Royal Highness the Commander-in-Chief, I dative to th e late occurrences in the Ist Batta lion of the 3d Regiment of Guards : GENERAL ORDER. Horse Guards, 24th June, ISTO. It had been the intention of the Commander in Chief to await the issue of an investigation into the circumstances sit tending the recent occurrences in the Ist BattaliOn of the 3d Regiment of Guards, before his Royal Highness should circu late to the army any observations, which the nature of these occurrences, and his sense of duty to the service, might sug gest; but the exaggerated rumours which have agitated the public mind upon this occasion, being calculated to weaken the confidence, which the army and the nation in general, have ever reposed" in the British Guards, his Royal Highness feels it incumbent upon him to take this method of declaring, that the King places the most firm reliance upon the loyal attachment, good order, and discipline, which have always distinguished and rendered the different corps of his Majesty's Guards, an object ofjust pride and boast to the country; and that his Majesty could never permit himself to believe, that a casual departure from the principles of discipline in any one Battalion, the instigators of which will be reprobated and punished, as they may lie found to deserve, could afford any just grounds for entertaining a suspicion, calculated to sully the reputation earned, in the face of the world, fry the gal lant services of all the regiments composing this distinguish ed body of troops. Highly, therefore, as the Commander in Chief must repro bate any dereliction of,the strict principles of subordination, which same discontented and evil-disposed individuals may have originated in the Ist Battalion of the 3d Guards,,it is still a satisfaction to reflect (and it is with pride his Royal Highness indulges the feeling) that the disposition of the other Regiments of Guards remains firm, in a becoming sense, of what is due to discipline and authority; and that they are incapable of bartering their high character, for a participa tion in discontents which were equally frivolous as they were groundless. This order to be read at the head of every Regimept and Corps in the Army, and entered in the Orderly Books. By command of his Royal Highness the Commander in-Chief. HENRY TORRENS, Adjutant-Gen. H ATRICAL GISTE R. Performed Last Nikrht. THEA rRE ROYAL, Ofttr wr-LANE.—The Dramatist. After which, Tim Cobbler of Preston. To which was added, Giovanni in London. THEATRE ROYAL, COVENT-GARDEN•---VirgirliUS Virginius, Mr. Macready; Icilins, Mr. C. Kenible; Virginia, Miss Foote; Servia, Mrs. Connor. After which, Inkle and Yarico. PRICE 0 r STOCKS ONE 0 CLUCK. THIA nAY AT 3 per Cent. Red. 31 per Cent. 4 per Cents 5 per Cent. Scrip. .... 11 pr. India Bends 16s. 18s. pr. Old Annuities C2I Exch. Hills, 2d... par ls, dis. Ditto t. ommercial bs. pr. ()minium Coos for Account (in 74.70 MAILS. Amu ven—l Dublin, I Waterford, I Holland, I Francs. Waterford, I Guernsey and Jersey, I Gottenburgb, Lisbon, HICII WATER LoN )UNI BRIDGE TO•MORROW. Morning, 44 minutes eft,' S.—Evening, 2 minutes after 4. THE SUN. IiOLEM qt , is niLERK ?Al' JM AUIJEAT ? i ll) DON, TUESDAY, JUNE 27, 1820. ' ment the charges against her. She then. pro' fessing to respect the wishes of Parliament, W ill Message to Ministers, intimating that she ready to accede to a private adjustment. firr was her first deviation from her demand of an °V eil trial. Ministers, unwilling to proceed to extrelti# ties, anti attending to the apparent wish of ni l ' liarnent, and her MAJESTY'S disposition In atop public trial; entered upon a private negociati°l4 which might have terminated in avoiding a pub lic trial, if she had not made a new demand, VIZ i ° have her name restored to the Liturgy. g ers there was a suspension of all private adjustment' for could it be supposed that her name was to be restored till she vindicated her character V These acts of her MAJESTY, if we w ere ne t incliued, according to the old and liberal to presume innocence, 'till guilt appears, mig lit be considered as obstacles she herself threw i 0 the way of that open Trial which before she 50 vehemently demanded. Now we find that she bas interposed another ground for delay by a 146. lion to the House of Lords, for time to bring witnesses in her favour from abroad. Aliniste sl of course must be iutornsed who the witnesses l ire' that they also may have time to inquire into th eil character and credibility ? All this conduct on Il igs part of her MAJESTY'S advisers seems t o imply th 9t they trust to the Chapter of ficeittents, in hopes th it something may occur to put an tad to the Pr o ; ceediugs altogether . - Ministers no doubt 0 4(e. from laudable motives, but they have 440 4 censure upon themselves by not resolutely £l O ceeding to the trial after they had brought I°l4 ward their evidence. All men of plain con3 oll sense and sound morals must agree with M r' TIERNEY in what he said last night in tU House of Commons, and to which we N ei " and cordially assent—" If Ministers were WO 3 of the guilt of HER AIAJESTY, be thought 1 was A DUTY which they owed to THE KING B°4. to THE COUNTRY to bring forward the Inqui t i without LOSS OF TIME." They exposed the tV „ a t selves to censure by acting otherwise. They nit — recover their ground, and be FIRM and DEcASIO4 PaINCE licaPot.D.—We stated, upon what we conceited t: be good authority, that the QUEEN had passed an eve l '' tw , af with the PRINCE at Marlborough House, soon after be": 00 rival. This statement has been contradicted, and it i 9 11 said that the PRINCE sent a Letter to the QUEEN, %Ole!) i re returned unopened. We do not vouch for this story O e f , than for the other. The PRINCE had a difficult task to 14 0 form, but perhaps it would have been most proper NC 4 00 , to. pay at first his personal respects to her MasssfYi° visit could nut involve hint in the question of her guilt or 0, nocenee, before investigation. FALMOU ifl, TH, JUNE 24.—Arrived his Majesty's ship • -1 100 ° son, from Buenos Ayres, in 60 days, with secret disgat c which were landed and forwarded. the TOR HE DUCHESS OF YORK. — Soon after ‘..- rival of Sir H. HALFORD and Dr, BAI GLIE, on Sunda,' €44 4 ing, at Oatlands, after visiting the afflicted Duchess of they issued the following report of her state 1— Oatlan&, June 25, Nine o'clock, 14 41, f` The Duchess of York is a little better; her 11° 0 Highness's difficulty of breathing and her fiver a l-4 gated. " HENRY HADr° ll°. '• M. BAILLIE... • • re HER MAJESTY it seems has signified her 1 0. a lion to visit Drury-lane Theatre to-morroO, see the comedy i.f Wild Oats. t hf Lnrd HOOD and Mr. Alderman WOOD 118 " ii; honour of dining with her MAJESTY 011 Stor'ii i s Her MAJESTY left her house at six o'clock irl l t i f evening, and went to Castle-bar, the seat 0 3 re late Duke of KENT, near Ealing, whence sli e l d turned at nine o'clock. Her MAJESTY was tire s ot in black, with a grey shawl, and full vvhite and feathers. 'of° The Queen has given orders for the taking suitable country residence for twelve month s o '. o go . Yesterday the Duke of .York visited the P ei Prince LEOPOLD left Claremont yesterday 03 4e1l ing for London. His Royal Highness at ° E ir lf, on his way at the King's Palace at Kensill e of to visit the Duchess of Kent and the Do" Sussex. In the evening Prince Leopold C a , splendid entertainment at Marlborough Pool to a distinguished party, to meet his A ytl ti Highness the Duke of York ; but the Roya l tie' W 39 prevented from attending, owing to the Ih id ed state of the Duchess, and his presenc e 1) 1 ,0 0 necessary in the House of Lords. Severa l ed ie and distinguished Members of the House a,,die mons, on account of their attendance in ment being necessary, were absent. fir e SPECIAL Comtursstom.—On IVednesd a Y r tlt State Prisoners from Edinburgh Castle, urt,':„ g e bI guard of Captain Sibbald, arrived at the steam-boat, to await the ensuing MARRIAGE IN HIGH Lies.—Married On tb: day, by special licence, at Ham 11814, 1 4 1 e: ( ounty of Warwick, the seat of Charles Pc/ovie Adderley, Esq. the Hon. Berkeley ° c „ t pl i ,: Noel, son of Sir Gerard Noel Noel, Bart. 81 ' oty/ Baroness Barham, to Letitia Penelope' f C°: daughter of the late Ralph Adderley, Esq' a ° ll l4 ton, in Staffordshire, and widow of Andre $ ket, Esq. of Moxhall Park, Warwickshir e ' " t o Orator HUNT is writing ins own Lite, t° °f his prison hours. In the commencement ber 0 valuable piece of biography (one Nuns O` which is already published), he r t j , 0 , 5 0 that an ancestor of his arrived in Eng"; ! P, Colonel in William the Conqueror's Art u ' l dea he does not mention whether he con/f1"11 Regiment of the Local Militia. gA so. Printed by J. 13. CArtsrAuts, NQ. 11?; *A ah Cia Y, t iVer Siqz, th e la the It; 4 'ent, of Nzu Ileral Id arit media, ►vill ni • itr, a 11 ° 3 id, "K tii An, ‘,t• '~ en 1 i x t ER( desci Pl,fl Aron lii,y Paid elate Cre •-, .~ 93 R. 141,4 i Pp ; ~ i; :Ikl b rziel tniw t 4 PM astti ( sai d 1 t!a ssc ciern i ti' th e p, to tlit • Thi of ttic 'rat ' g 1 %Li t ci TI„ ztli,)se Th, it aiiii clay. 1 11 a!I Th c `kith It t 44) 71, per dr day 4c eJ,