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PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF IiORDS, JULY 17. MIS' ELLANEOUS. In the course of the Judicial Businiss that took place, judgment was given on the three follow— ing Appeals, viz..:--:Hotchkiss v. Dickson af firmed ; 'Renee v,. Young, reversed; Duke of `ROXburgh.v: Robertson, reverted. The'Earl of CARNAIIVON presented a Petition 'from the Calico Printers in the town and neigh bourhood of Manchester, stating their distressed situation in consequence of thd stagnation of fo reign trade, &c. praying relief. The Earl of LIMERICK presented .a Petition from Thomas Bcruchier, Esq. many years Deputy 'Clerk of the Crown in Ireland, setting forth his faithful services in that office, and his being re -duced to the situation of an inferior clerk, at an ,advanced stage of life, and praying the favourable .attention o,f the House to his case. The Earl of LAUDERDALE presented a Petition from certain 0 wners and Tenants of Cottages in -Glasgow, against the Glasgow statute Labour Bill: A short conversation ensued, principally between the Duke of MoNTaosE and the Noble Earl, when the petition, as well as the former Documents, were ordered to lie on the table The Earl of LIVERPOOL moved the second read ing of the Bank Forgery Preven tion B ill. '' The Earl of LAUDERDALE was of opinion that the Petitioners against the till should be heard. The Earl of LIVERPOOL had no objection to the Petitioners being heard ; though for his part, he considered that from the nature of such a Bill, the Petitioners had not the smallest pretensions to what they called for. The Earl of LAUDERDALE thought the Noble Earl at the head of his Majesty's Councils had mistaken the nature of the application. In a dis cussion to which that part of the subject might lead, it would perhaps be proper that the strangers be ordered to withdraw, as it may tend to expose secrets of trade and go to a dis Closure of the plan adopted, to an extent that 'may be injurious. The Earl of LIVERPOOL did not believe, that the Petitioners did not know what the plan was. The Royal Commissioners had carefully examined more than 100 plans, and had preferably decided in favoar of the present. it Could not be ex pected that the House would institute an inquiry of their . own, which it would be' mpossible to follow up, . After u few remarks from Lord How-A.3m, the Bill was 'read the second time, and committed' for Wednesday. After .a short conversation between the Earls of LlvEttpoor., and.Lxvotao ALE, the Noble' Mi r nister gave '. - lotice of his intention to move the - second reading of the Additional Postage Bill to-morrow. - The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented two Petitions, one from various Merchants of the Town of Liverpool, and the second from certain AlanufaCturers of the Town of Manchester, im-. ploring their Lordships to consider well before they adopted the Bill tending to do away all protecting lltitie - i between Great Britain and Ire land. H would give no opirfion as to the merits of the Petitions, but he thought that the com mercial relations between both countries could not be _placed on a sure footing , till a principle of reciprocity should be adopte d. The Petitiors were ordered to lie on the table ; and several Bills which were brought up, from the Commons, were respectively read the first time. CONDUCT or SIR THOMAS MAITLAND, G The Order of the Day upon which their Lord ships were summoned being read, The Earl of LAUDERDALE rose to bring for ward his noticed motion on this subject.' He pre faced it by a speech of some length, in which he vindicated the conduct of his Hon. and Gallant Relative on occasions, particularly with respect to the cession of Parga, whiCh had been the sub ject of repeated discussions in another place ; and, as his Lordship observed, the topic of much calumny and misrepresentation out of doors, in certain publications and in other ways. The Noble Earl entered into a detailed discussion re specting the circumstances and causes of the ces sion of Parga ; and also of the conduct of his Hon. and Gallant Relative, as High Commissioner en the part of his Majesty, to the lonian Isles. He contended, that the Parguenots, instead of being treated with the least harshness or injus tice, were treated with every possible lenity, and every possible attention paid to the rights of pro perty on that important occasion. With respect to the valuation of the property of those who chose to part with it on the occasion of the ces sion, the amount as estimated by the British Com missioners was 280,0001., whereas, the Turkish Commissioners valued it only at 56,000/. ; and eventually, the High Commissioner procured for these persons 150,0001., which was a much greater amount than could be got without his benevo lent interference. His Lordship then took a general view of the Administration of the High Commissioner, financial, as well as military, and ably contended that it was in every re • spect beneficial to the interests of those whose government was committed to his charge. What 'had been done with respect to the cession, was no more than what was clearly prescribed by the Treaty of Paris, and in this every possible at tention, as well as in every other part of his ad ministration, was paid to the welfare and i,nte. rest of the people in question. He (the Noble Earl) was not conversant in the language of pa negyrics, but the dictates, of strict justice called upon him to speak in terms of high commenda tion of the conduct of his Hon. and Gallant Re lative, and who was undeservedly the object of no small degree of misrepresentation arid cen sure for , those- parts of his conduct. * He. con cluded by moving an Address to his Majesty, praying the production of various docnments therein specified, illustrative of the conduct of Sir Thomas MaWand ) G.C.B. his Majesty's Commissioner to the lonian Islands. Earl BATnuas•T expressed, his cordial appro.,' bationof every thingthat had-. fallen from the' Noble Earl. The wi:4e conduct of Sir Thomas, Maitland on the Occasion referred to was de-' serving of the, highest commendation. lielad acted on an occasion of difficulty without example with the.iltinost degree of firmness,, tenip‘r,* . and moderation. A more honourable or a more-stre nuous servant of the public could not be found., A few words respecting the conduCt - 151G, ment concerning the cession of Parga, he begged leave to state. This when fairly viewed, he thought, must appear to have been conthicted in the most cautious and unexceptionable manner. It had been argued as if the cession of Parga was . a matter of option on the part of the British Go vernment; it was, however, quite different. They had, by the Treaty of 1815, no right to retain that possession. By that Treaty, the right to the possession of Parga was decided to vest in the Porte. He had some official -commu nication with General Campbell on the subject. Latterly, however, that gallant officer was too ill for a personal interview, but he *had made a sort of death-bed declaration, that he had never au thorised any person to give the Parguenots rea son to believe that they did not belong to the Porte. Its occupation by the British was only by the same right that we had occupied Egypt in the war before the last, which also belonged to the Porte, and which the British in like•man ner were bound to restore to that Power at the conclusion of the war. On the same priaciple, the French were driven out of both in the first instance. With respect to the cession, it was stipulated with the Porte, that such of the Par guenots as chose should have liberty to remove their properties. Such as chose to avail them selves of the stipulation, disposed of theirproper 7 ties on terms far more favourable than was known on occasions of the kind. The motion was immediately agreed to, without further.discussion. . After a short conversation between Lord ERSKINE and Lord LALTDERDALE I Picture. Lottery Bill was read the second time, and referred to the consideration of an Oat 7 door Committee. MARRIAGE ACT AMENDMENT BILL. Lord ELLENROROUGH moved the Order of the Day for the committal of this Bill: 'He explained that his intention Was to propose, that the amend meets he was about to prepare should be agreed to and printed ; and that the Bill should. be re committed on Wednesday, when the new clauses or amendments could be regularly discussed. , The LORD-CHANCELLOR; observed, that if the Bill, after corning out' of a Committee, should, in his mind, continue to be objectionable with re ference to the morals and religiOn'of the country, he should certainly object to the'measure altoge ther. If, in a COmmittee; it could' be rendered of a different nature, he undoubtedly should not oppose it. Lord REDESDALE said, if the' Bill could be rendered unobjectionable in a Committee, parti cularly on the score of its proposed retrospective operation, he should support it. But there were clauses in the Bill which called for the most se rious consideration. The Earl of LIVERPOOL entirely concurred in the view taken of the measure by the Noble Lord who spoke last. The Marriage Law certainly required great alteration, and - he had no difficulty in stating, that they should rather look to the fa cilitation than to the obstruction of marriages ; and he certainly thought the alterations should be of a prospective, and not of a retrospective, operation, and the Noble Minister also seemed to approve of the Noble and Learned ,Lord's suggestion of a former evening, respecting the encouragement of Marriages by Banns, preferably to those by License. After some further discussion, principally be tween Lord HOLLAND and the Noble Lord on the Woolsack, their :Lordships reolved into a Committee on the Bill, when the several Amend- Ments proposed by Lord Ellenborough were agreed to, and the Report was ordered to be re ceived to-morrow, with the understanding, that a discussion of the Bill as amended, should take place on its re-commitment on Wednesday. CRIMINAL LAWS. The Marquess of LANSDOWN moved the third reading of the Capital Punishments Continuation Bill, which he prefaced by a short speech, ex pressive of his conviction of the emendation which the Criminal Law of this country would receive by such an enactment, and the beneficial results to society which it would operate. A short discussion ensued on the parts of Lord REDESD ALE and the LORD CHANCELLOR, in which the latter moved, as an-indispensable qualifica tion in his mind, to introdu_ce, the words, " as to any goods t wares, or merchandize under the value of 101." After a few words in explanation from the No ble Marquess, the question on the third reading , was put, when the House was cleared for a, divi sion, but which proceeding did not take place ; the Bill, however, was read the third time and passed. On the re-admission of strangers to the House, their Lordships were found engaged in a discus sion of the Felonies Punishment Commutatio,ii Bill. The question was, as in the former in stance, for' its third reading: The Loan CHANCELLOR adduced several ob jections to the Bill in its then shape. The clause which affected the punishment for writing threat ening letters he strongly objected to, the offence being in his mind, in every point of view, a bad one. He suggested to the Noble Marquess the expediency of postponing the question till to morrow, that he might give more of his attention to the probable effect which such an alteration in the laws would produce. The Noble Marquess assented to the proposi ' tion, and moved that a 'message be sent to the Commons, requesting a copy of the Report of their Committee appointed to consider the Laws relating to Capital .Punishments; which being ordered accordingly, an' Adjournment till to morrow immediately took place. HOUSE COATIVIOSS. • . Mr. HUTCHINSON, from. the Bank, presented a Return of the total weekly amount of Bat* Notes and Bank Post Bills in • circulation: 7 — Ordele - d to lie on the table. - - The House went into a- Committee on Pellet's Divorce Bill, in- whiCotNel was 11 . 0a141, and ,wktn'ekses el*ined. The Report of the Committee was received, and. the Bill or dered to be read a third time to-morrow. ABUSES IN COURTS OF REQUESTS. Mr. C. CALVERT more(' for a Return of the aggregate amount-of the Pees received in the Court of Requests for the ToVin and Borough of Southwark for the last six yea's, under an Act of the 46th of the late King, for the more speedily re covering of Small Debts; together with a Return of their ag gregate amount in the two years preceding the passing of the said Act, distinguishing the amount in each year. The Hon. Member said, if these Papers proved what he expected they would prove, he thought it probable that in the next Session he should bring in a Bill to alter the law with respect to Courts of Request. His reason for doing this he would very shortly state. He understood. that to recover in the Court of Requests for the Town and Borough of Southwark any sum under 21., say Is. only, the fees of the Court would amount to las. 3d. In the City of London; the Fees in a like case were 10s. 6d. ; in Vine-street, Westminster, Ss. 3d.; in the Liberty of the 'lower Hamlets, ss. 9d.; and in Fullwood's Rents, Ss. 9d. The Papers were ordered. The Witnesses in India Bill was reported, and ordered to be read a third time to•morrow. BURNINGS OF HINDOO WIDOWS. Mr. BUXTON moved for all official Documents and Papers received by. the Directors of the East India Company with in the last two years from the Governors of Bengal, Madras, and Bombay, relative to the burning of Hindu° Widows with the bodies of their deceased husbands.—The motion was agreed to. TREASURY MINUTES. . Mr. HUME moved for the productio❑ of a Copy of a Mi nute of the Board of Treasury relative to a grant of 10,7001. in 1794 to Colony) M'Mahon, then Private Secretary to Lord Moira; and also for a Minute of a grant of 2,4071..155. OP in favour of Isaac Phipps, Deputy Paymaster.—The Papers were ordered. CATHOLIC QUESTION. Mr. PLUNKETT held in his hand two Petitions on. the part of the. Roman Catholics of Ireland, most respectably signed, and so worded as to merit in his opinion the serious consideration of the House. These Petitions he believed to express the general sentiments of the inhabitants of the plaees from whence they came. He however wished to state that he did nut intend proposing at present any measure for the relief of the ROman Catholics, and, he thought it right that he shonktmake known why be came to thiNdeterminatioo. He felt that while that momentous and embarrassing question which now occupied all minds was pending, he should be wanting in respect to the Throne, to the Parliament, and to the Country, if he were at the present period to bring the Catholic Claims forward, when the attention of all parties was so much engaged. He spoke - too weakly when be called the important question to- which he had alluded.embarrass ing—he considered it to be a qUestion of great calamity to the country, and one that - required the attention of every honest man in it. At such a time then- it-was not his intention to submit any motion respecting the Catholic Claims, or to pre sent any Petition. At the same time he must say, that he considered the Catholic Question - to be one of such import ance, that in his judgment it ought not to be-lost sight of, and could net be long kept back; and he therefore gave no tice, that at an early period after the other most important question had been disposed of, he should take an opportunity of bringing this subject under the eonsideration of the House. Acting thus, he hoped he should merit the approbation of those who were friendly to the question, and also that of its political enemies. At . present he declined presenting the- Petitions. NEW BARRACKS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up the Report of the Barracks Agreement Bill. Mr. CALCRAFT renewed his opposition to the measure.-- The-more he inquired into it, the more he was convinced • that the business in question had been begun ors pretences which would not hold good to carry Ministers through the first place, it was said ) . that the public could not longer base those Barracks which had till now been held. This he positively denied. He had ascertained that the public might , still have had them on the same terms as formerly. He cons plaint(' of the little respect which had been shewn to Parlia ment on this occasion, and shewed that the arguments urged eight years ago in favour of a similar plan, had been refuted by facts which had since transpired. Works like new Bar racks, ought not to hare been commence) without the appro bation of Parliament. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER briefly defend ed the Bill, and shewed that the accommodation called for by the new Barracks was wanted, and that there was no certainty of a continuance of that which the present Barracks afforded, as they could only be held from year to year. • Mr. WILSON contended, that the Barracks ought to belong to the public before 31 years, front the present time, were ex pired, and asserted 70,0001. to be a larger sum than ought to be paid fur the accommodation now to be obtained. An HON. MEMBER wished to know, in the event of the works being stopped which were now in progress , who were to pay - for the expences already incurred ? CALCRAFT thought this question ought to he an swered by those who bad set the parties to work who were now employed in the Barracks. What he principally com plained of was, that works that were to cost the country 70,0001. had been begun, while Ministers had not deigned to give an estimate on the subject to that House. The MEMBER who had spoken before wished to know if the Hon. Gentleman thought the expellee ought to fall on in dividuals or on the country ? Mr. CALCRAFT was. inclined to say that it ought to be borne by the Members of the Cabinet. Mr. LEONARD spoke against the agreement. The House then divided, when the numbers were— For the Motion 9Z Against it. Majority - 748 The Scotch Fisheries Bill was read a third time anti passed. ~ DUBLIN ELECTION. The SPEAKER said, he had to acquaint the House that he had received a letter front the Haniper Office, Dublin, with a Petition from Henry Grattan against the return of Robert Ellis, to serve in the present Parliament. The Petition was then read and ordered to be taken into consideration on Tuesday fortnight. COMMON COUNCIL PETITION. The Sheriffs of .London appeared at the Bar, and Mr. She riff ROTH W ELL presented a Petition from the Court ot Com mon Council.—The Sheriff's baring retired, Mr. Alderman WOOD stated the Petition now presented to bare been carried by alvry large majority, without a divi sion, not more than- ten persons having opposed it. He thought it a perfectly constitutional Petition, and agreed with every word it contained. He moved -that the Petition should then be read. The Petition, which was against the Bill of Pains and Pe nalties now pending in the other House, was then read and on the motion of Mr. Alderman Wood, ordered to be printed. RICHARD CHRISTIE BURTON. Mr. STUART WORTLEY presented a Petition from three Gentlemen, who were the assignees of the person at whose suit Richard Christie Burton bad been arrested. These Gen tlemen were subjected to considerable loss through the libe ration of that person by an orderof the House. Thoug . ll he wished Members of Parliament to be in all cases protected from arrest, yet he thought there ought to be some law-pro• Tided for the relief of persons who sustained a positive loss from obedience to an order of that House.—The Petition was read, and after a few words from Mr. Wilberforce and Mr. Banks, ordered to lie on the table. INSOLVENT DEBTORS. Mr. BATHURST presented a Petition from a number o persons confined for debt in the King's Bench Prison, pray. ing for a continuance of the Insolvent Debtors' Blll.—Ur. dered to be printed. THE SURVEYORS, &c. Sir W. CURTIS presented a Petition from certain persons who had been employed as Tide Waiters and Watermen,,till March, 1819, and who, thrown out of employment by recent arrangements, were reduced to great poverty, and prayed the House for such relief as it should think 6t to afford.— The Petition was ordered to lie on the table. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the second reading of the Irish Stills Regulation Bill. • Lord MOUNT CHARLES hoped the Bill was not intended to be ptcssed in the present Session. • The (al ANCELLOR of thie EXCHEQUER - said, itryas not his intention to press the Bill. • ' After a few words front General HART, The 13 ill was tlien read a second time, and committed for to.naorrovv, when the CRANCELLOIL of the EXCHEQU ER proposed merely to fill up the blanks of the Bill. Lord MOUNT CHARLES wished to know if the provie sions of the Bill could be subsequently opposed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated it V! be his intention to move, that the 'Bill shou ld be re-cow mitted. • The Bill was then ohlered to be committed to-morrow. • A Message from the Lords announced their Lordships sent to the Naval Prize Money Bill, the London Militia Ba t a O tO , the Irish Militia, Pay. Bill, atid other Public and P r - Bills. \ The Small Stills in Ireland Bill was read a third titner and committed for to-morrow. The Irish Excise Police Bill' and the Irish . Promissoll Notes and Bank Post Bills Bill were severally r ead a sed gy time, and committed' for to-morrovv. G,ITADALOUPE CLAIMS. MI. HARVEY brought up a Report from the Commit tee nr i: the Guadaloupe Claims. The Hon. Member spoke at soT. length, but in so low a tone that he could not be beard td" - gallery. He was understood to speak in favotir of the cha t' ' ants, and especially to contend that the claim of General Qc fourneaux ought to be satisfied. Mr. BANKES said, if the Hon. Member meant topresi' the subject in the 'present Session , he sho uld o pp ose it. 4! claim of twenty-six years standing be could not consent sanction, at that period of the Session, by one single vote Parliament, which could not afterwards he revised. Mr. HARVEY felt that it was impossible to brin g the ease to a conclusiOn in the present Session ; but early in the n es4 it was his intention to call the attention of the House to the subject. The Papers brought up were ordered to be printed. PLATE CLAIMED BY THE QUEEN. Dr. LUSUIXGTON 'rose to bring forward the, subject to which he had had the honour of calling the attention of the House on Saturday, naine l 9 ,. the Service of Plate given by the late King to her present Majesty in 1808. It was a matter of regret with him, that it should strike any 000 that his object in bringing forward the motion 0 Saturday was to take the House by su rprite' Such had not been his wish ; on the contrary, he was anxious to avoid the possibility of doing 01 and at his suggestion his Learned Friend, the Attorney-General to her Majesty, had given th e earliest notice to the Noble Lord that it was his power to give of the' present motion. Wl' ing, as he hoped, set • himself right with t ",! llouse,he would now proceed to show the grounti'- on which he made his present motion: In 189,5? the late King was pleased to - order fOr her jesty, then Princess of Wales, a service of pia te '• That this was intended as a present was ad' from its having been made after.. her own ta s t e l and after her own fashion, and that, too, by or3e of the King. The bill for' the plate was sent i,et' to the Lord- Chamberlain's Office, and there ; was paid. That plate she used without inte r . ruption or restriction up to the year 1814, will she left England. Till that period her p resen t/ Majesty was living in Kensington Palace; at that period, being about to leave the couptT the plate was delivered to Mr. Mash by her 0 cers, certainly with an idea that if ever she re; turned to England, she would have a right • . 0%, reclaim it for her own use. Her Majesty hay;ot returned to England, had latterly been withe_4: articles that were necessary for her use, conlfra, and convenience. She was at present in a com e tion by no means suited to her high birth el'he connections. She was in a situation which (as 0 1 hoped) was utterly unprecedented for a Q ueen this Country. lie believed. that so little pre,s ration for the reception of a person of her elte' ce , rank had never before been made, - on the 0c 0, sion of any Royal personage coming to this Ce ; : rt i.. try. The Queen being in want of certa in n des for her daily use, was pleased to orde r er application to be made to Mr. Mash for the r io toration of her plate. To this that Gentleeo, replied, that 4 ‘ he did not feel auth4brised to 0 00 ply with• the requisition without an order fr o ; the Lord' Chamberlain." An a pplication 00 1, then made, by order of the Queen, to the I),the Chamberlain, and' now he would read to „er House the answer returned by the Lord Civico berlain to her Majesty's Lady in Waiting. i t as follows . i of " The Lord Chamberlain availed himse':irecl " the earliest occasion to bring the note rec et ile " by the Lord Chamberlain from Lady Au n t " milton, before the King, and having slice!: tbtf CC ed from official documents that the righ t " plate claimed by the Queen is in the 4 - 1 " o f " his Majesty has not 'thought fit to give a n eloof " der for its removal from the Jewel CC where it has been deposited." He now proposed to consider this letter, as it did from the Ministers, as the lette f ° ; i y o Noble Lord, for he would not offend the lt of the House by looking at it as coming fr° l o isr 1) 1 other quarter. He believed that the t ax, Lord opposite would be perfectly willing he hs tt should do so, for he was well aware thei . t . s 0 1 4 no wish to throw responsibility off of as .others had attempted to t"eptri, however, he might express his own sentituria that Noble Lord, he should say, that be t i o ct D i mind the• liberal and gentlemanly celw n oali which he was distinguished, he was 1 0 that he would never sanction pro s 0 those which had lately occurred—that r never seek meanly to raise himself by tte e g,ff7 r e dation of another—nor stoop to irritat e tP mind, to give a harsh unfeeling answi er o nid justice and only justice had been u i , e h io Proceeding now on the principle whi c "a P i e mentioned, he must - state what apPeareises/ to be the only possible grounds, or still ° 01 1 3 , e to he ought not to dignify them with theto PrA. grounds, on which such an ansvver cf t er t) been given. The one was, that it inig' i t he sidered the plate in question bought b,Y °s oli Chamberlain was the property of the ur ci o° 4 ' o o had never been divested from it ; e i li cen siepf held by the Queen while residing in l i d' „ i tt' Palace, was always to be regard ed t ime lie V! loan, to which an end - might at anY t i o tt 1 001 It would appear that the only quaqecabaece,ere,t; when plate was ordered by the. Lorn c ieli * paid for by the Lord Chancellor, an er s° t rey - by the Lord Chancellor to foreig n ot r and other persodages of high rank, sv i , n t s s cee ad should have the use of it while in tr',la-t e at Such persons had always enjoyed th e ripe/ 0" supplied while they remained -In li c t eve r he did not know that any person h i t 1 00 heard of to claim it from them . ' 1 : 0 0 1 7 to suppose,- that some condition was .. , ste te The grant of this plate. If th is we d d to Ite , Crown property, and only Oh° Fo ti, de Et( L' It(