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PARLIAMET: , ;T, HOUSE OF LORDS, JQLY The eiglith Re.port of the Commissiorters for ;tuditing Public Accounts in ,Ireland, was pre 'sented by Mr. Johnson ; ordered. to lie upon the table,; also an Account of the National Debt, -by Mr. Walpole from the Treasury, which was. Vorciered to he printed. 'file Assessed' Taxes ConipOsition Bill,. the East India Voluriteer4 Bill, the Exchequer' Bill, Public Works: (Ireland) Bill, the Deceased Ma rine Relatives Bill, and others, were brought - upfrornthe House of Commons by Mr. Brogden, Sir Janes Graham, and other Members, and read fit st time. • Lord KENYON prestmted two Petitions, one from the Guild of Merchants of Dublin; and the 'other from 'certain Electors, against the Clause in the. MAI Court of Chancery -Bill, excluding Masters in Chancery . Of the Court its Ireland .I'i:oat - Sitting In Parliament. Ills Lordship expres led-his disapprobation of the clause in question, tt.nd his intention Sf Toting fir its being expung ed, if any other Noble Lord shOuld make a mo tion to that effect. Lord H OLLAND wished due notice to be given of the discussion on this clause, which he was dis posed to support. Some - fiirther conversation took place between. 'the above Noble Lords, the Earl of Limerick, thtil the Earl of Rosslyn, which was put an end to'by the Lord Chancellor observing, that no no tice had yet been given . of :moving the second reading of the Bill, and consequently the clause in question could not yet come under the cogniz ance .of the House. Respecting the East India Volunteers 13ill, the Earl GROSENOIL gave notice of his intention to make some observations on Friday. Tne Dunleary Harbour Bill; and others, were read a third•tirne and passed. Tie Smuggling Prevention Bill, and others, passed through, Committees, and .were reported without amendment. Pellew's - DivOree Bill passed through a Corn .mittee, with an Amendment. --Report to-morrow. Adjourned till ta-morr-ow -(this day.) iiOUSE OF COMMONS. NEW APPARATUS - FOR PRINTING. Sir_jOS'F.liii Y 011.14 rose to present a Petition From a person narn - eelilenry Constantine Jennings:, - who stated that he had , invented a new appara tus for,printittg, and offered .to t the 1 arlia 4nentary Papers, &c. for the public-Gn terms, by. Avhi(.7ll, in the rnirse 'of three years, a saving of '100;600/..would be effected. lle had formerly; -known this Gentleman,, but he knew nothing of 'the plan through which this saving was to be 'effected. The Petitioner he knew to be a' per lon of great ingeriuity---he had formerly con traceed 'to make what was calle'd. a Naval Bed, Which Was, to be of:gfeat use in cases of ship. tivreck, - by - the means of being filled with cork shavings instead of flotk. Gentlemen who had 'been at sea knew it was quite a different thing to go to bed afloat from that' of - sleeping quietly - ashore.---(41 laugh.)--;When the sailor went to `bed, he was probably, in :consequence of the, 'naval' bed, in the event of shipwreck, to ride safe ly oil. the surface of the ocean as snug as if he was on a fishes back.---(A laugh.).--He recollect ed another discovery of this Petitioner's respect in "the variation of the cOmpass, which consisted -of potting the compass into an iron bowl, and 41hereby neutralizing the power or the magnet. Of the present proposal . the House .-must judge fori.tSelf. The Petition wag' laid on the table, and order ed to be printed. ABERDEEN EttcrroN. Mr. liursTEß BLAIR presented the Report of the - Committee on the Aberdeen Election, which declared that Joseph llume, Esq. (the sitting Member), was duly elected, and that the Petition was not frivolous and vexations. SCOTCH TAX CARTS. Mr. Boswm, after putting a question to Mr. Lnshington, gave notice that he would to-mor row move 'for a return of the Names of Indivi duals prosecuted for carrying passengers in small tarts in Scotland-. 'The Hon. Alerriber stated, that 111:3 motion had reference to vexations pro ceedings against poor Carters, who now and then on their journey permitted any person to ride with them. The Assessed Taxes 'CoMpoiition Bill, and the Irish Sugar. Trade Bill, were severally read the third . time and passed., On the motion of Sir W. SCOTT, the Offences -at Sea Bill was committed, and the Report order.' ed to be received to-morrow. opTHALMIC INsTtrtm ON, Mr. lityrenissol said, that at an early hour yesterday, during his absence from the House, his Hon. Friend (Mr. Bennet) complained of misrepresentation in a respectable morning paper, The Morning Chronicle. He read the repo'rt of the speech in that paper, and as far as referred to him (Mr. Hutchinson) it was certainly correct. It stated.no sentiment which he (Mr. H.) had not 'frequently pronounced. 'with respect to Sir Wrn. Adams, and the Institution over Which he presided. It was incorrect only in so far as it represented him- to ha.ve stated that his Hon. . Friend (Mr. l3erinet) retracted what he formerly said upon the practice of Sir W. Adams. His lion. Friend complained , that the speech was much longer than the one -spoken by him (Mr. II.) It might be longer, but, his sentiments were fairly given, and in much better language, and 'better raider than, himself could .put them. 'lle should feel much obliged to his Hon. Friend, or auk Gentleman who would take the trouble of giving his speeches in abetter way than he could himself. He . made two speeches last night, longer than the one complained of, not a word of Which was given. As - the subject Was of much importance to some of his constituents, lie re gretted that they were not made -by . his' Hon. rlieud (Mr. terinet,) . who, he bad no doubt, would have taken every necessary precaution fo have them properly and correctly reported. The Hon. Membex was proceeding to make some remarks oh the method of practice pursued by Sir Wm. Adams, and the success of that Gen tleman, when he was called to order by,, •The SPEAKER who reminded him is there was no question before the House. 11t...1y6 . 61d - .be. highly inconvenient, if, on rising mere y fcor the' purpoSe of explanation, any Hon. Member was to go into details not connected with the point to be explained. Mr.I.IS:NNET said, he was sorry for , having in troduced the subject yesterday in the absence of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hutchinson). He did not suppose that the matter. was of importance to his Hon. Friend. He merely wished to state upon that occasion that he retracted no opinion, for he had expressed no opinion on the practice of Sir W. Adams. REFUSAL TO OBEY THE ORDER OF THE HOUSE. Dr. PiiII:LIMORE moved the Order of the Day for bringing Richard Armstrong Jarvis to the bar, for, the purpose of being' reprimanded and discharged, The motion being agreed to, Armstrong Jar vis was introduced and placed at the bar. The SPEAKER then addressed him to the fol lowing effect ':—He had itt the first Instance been reported, by a Select Committee of the House sit ting -to try, the Grantham Petition, as having dis obeyed.-a warrant for his attendance on that Committee. Upon this he had been ordered by the House to be taken into custody, and it was subsequently reported to them that he' had ab sconded. Further measures , being taken, he at len g th surrender.rd himself, and was committed : to Newgate. Ile had since solicited by his Pe tition to be restored to liberty, had acknowledg ed his, offence, expressed his contrition, and thrown himself upon the mercy of the House. On a consideration of all the circumstances in his case, the House was inclined to extend that mercy to him; but it must be observed, with re spect-to one passage, in which it was pleaded that, he had not been aware, of the importance of ,the warrant, that it would be well for the Peti tioner and all others fo know that parties were not-to constitute themselves judges on such occa sions, and that they had but one course to pur sue—the course of prompt and implicit obedience. It was by the strict performance of that duty alone that individuals could secure themselves against the inconvenience and punishment which had taken place in the-present instance. As the -House had, however, reason to believe that the offence, had sprung from ignorance and misunder standing, and from no design of resisting autho rity_ or impeding the Course of justice, the House would exercise its lenity, The Petitioner was now discharged, on payment of his fees. The Speaker's Address was ordered to be en tered on the Journals of the House. GRANTHAM ELECTION, Dr. PHILLIM0111: moved that the Resolution of the Committee appointed to inquire into the merits of the Petition complaining of an undue Election for the Borough of Grantham, be read ; which' being done, the Hon. and Learned Mem ber observed that his object in rising war to pre vent. other persons from falling into the delusion which the Gentleman (Mr. Hughes)" had dine whose election was declared void by the statute of William 111. prohibiting the treating Of voters or giving them money under the pretext of in demnity for loss of time. In his opinion, it was equivocal .whether the treating of voters or giv ing them money under• the circumstances men tioned was bribery or not, according to the ,Statute in question." He certainly was not quite satisfied on the point in question, and therefore, with the view of giving a positive interpretation to the Statute, he Should now move the follow ing Resolution :---- " Resolved, "That the practice of treating, or giving money to voters by way.of-inde-rouity for loss of time, is hi g hl y illegal, subversive of the freedusi of ditction, and tends to most daozerous corruption." Mr:ABERCROMBY thought the Resolution al together objectionable. It was declaratory on . a point which, even according to the acknowledg ment of the Hon. and Learned Mover himself, was doubtful. , Mr. WYNN said there could be no dmibt that giving money, or treating voters, in such cases, amounted to bribery, according to the Act. _ Mr. WROTTESLEY was of opinion that a doubt did exist, and the present Resolution not being sufficiently explanatory upon the question, he should`oppose it. Mr. W; sitsivx differed with the Hon. Member who had spoken last. It was because a doubt did exist, as admitted by the Hon. Member, that he (Mr. Smith) thought the Restilution neces sary. _ _ _ Mr. AnEttcrtOmny explained., Mr. LOCKHART said, in the course of some ob servation's, that even if the Resolution should pass, it . was probable that the Judges might -Isot agree to it ; as a mere Resolution of that House, could not be held - binding as law. Mr. WARREN . was firmly persuaded that no ResolutiOn of this House ought to controul an Act of Parliament. Besides, the words of the Resolution were vague and indistinct. A mea sure of this nature required serious deliberation, and'he should therefore suggest to the Hon. and Learned Member the propriety of withdrawing his Resolution. Mr. WYNN, explanation, contended, that every payment to voters, no matter how it was described, was illegal. Dr. Putm,imonu replied.—He never had any doubt whatever, nor even a shadow of a doubt, that giving money to voters was to all in tents and purposes illegal, according to the Sta tuteof William the Third. The House then divided, and the numbers were— Ayes • •66 Noes Majority for the Motion Mr. BENNET presented a Petitign from an in dividual:whose name we could not catch, that the Short-hand Writer who had attended the Police Committee ; might have leave to give evidence in an action against some Middlesex Magistrates. Leave was given accordingly. Mr. ABERCROMBIE gave notice, that as he foresaw great inconvenience from the Resolution which had Just now been passed by a stria!' Ma jority) he should in the next Session again call the 'attention of the How to the subject.- (If Mr: BROUGHAM rose in pursuance of the no tice he.had given, to move " that leave be grant ed te her Majesty's Law Officers, Members of that House, to plead as Counsel at the Bar of the House of Lords against the Bill now pending against ,her Majesty, under the particular cir cumstances of the case, and upon an understand ing that the said leave be not drawn into prece dent in time coming for permitting Members act ing as Counsel generally in the House of Lords." —With reference to the Standing Order of the House, the Hon. and Learned gentleman said, the House Would see the necessity of making some salvo in granting leave on the present. occa sion, such as. was implied iti the litter part of the motion. It was to be distinctly understood, that the Members pleading in the Hause of Lords on . this occasion, were not to vote on the Bill in the event of its corning:lnto that House. LOrdCASTLEfiEAGII said; that he did not mean to object to the 'motion, as it was but fair that the Learned Gentlemen, who were atquainted with the case of the Queen, and the materials for her defence, should Ire at. liberty to plead her cause at the Bar of the House of Lords.. On this ground then, he . thonght the House would not hesitate to dispense with its Standing Order. But it must. be felt that the same dispensation should be granted in favour. Of any .other Bar rister who was a Member of that House, and whose interposition in the proceedings of the other House might be deemed necessary with a:view to the attainment of justice.. A similar delicacy was indeed, in his view, so obviously just, that when the motion .before the House was disposed of, he should also move that his. Majesty's Attorney and • Solicitor-Generals should be also allowed to plead at the Bar of the Lords upon the proceed ings with respect to the Queen, with an under standing, however, that in this case, as. well as in that oldie Queen's Attorney and Solicitor-Ge nerals, that if the Bill of Pains and Penalties should be brought down from the other House, those Learned Gentlemen should not vote' up-on the subject. Mr. W. WYNN said, that from the earliest period, it appeared to .be the practice that no Members of this House should appear at the bar of the House of Lords as 'advocates, without the. leave of this House. There were several cases in whichsuch leave was granted, beginning in the reign of Elizabeth', but they were always founded on special and necessary grounds, and accom panied with the reserve of not voting. if that were not the case, it would produce extreme in convience ; for it would be impossible that Gen- Itlemen could come with impartiality to the dis cussion of a Bill here, against or in favour of which they acted as Counsel at the bar of the other House. This reason indeed was stated as the ground of the Resolution of 1666, which might be considered as declaratory of the law of the case. In private Bills the inconvenience. would be particularly felt ; fOr if Counsel, who were. Members of' this House, were allowed to appear as advocates in those Bills at the bar of the Lords, it might happen that they would be retained in such cases merely to procure their assistance in this House. After the Resolution in 1666, such indulgence was - frequently granted ; but it was also the ground. of much dispute be tween the two Houses : for as it was essential to the authority of every Court that it should have the power of punishing its practitioners, the Lords claimed the right of confining some. Members who acted at their bar in that capacity. This was another inconvenience, and it tended to restrict the indulgence to cases of appeals. The last leave of this kind was given, he believed, in. 1710. Under these circumstances he thought it would be better to add to the motion the words, " that the same should not•be•drawn into prece dent," and to add also, that the application was made 46 under the special circumstances of the Case." With these gnards•he thought, the House' might safely grant the permisSion to her Majes; ty's Attorney and Solicitor-General ; but - he thought that the King's Attorney and Solicitor- General did not stand in the same light. The King was not a party in this case, and he did not see why his Majesty's officers should get a permission of this nature. As to her Majesty's officers, he did not see any objection to the mo tion, if it should not he brought into a precedent. Mr. BROUGHAM said, he had no kind of ob jection to the introduction of the words 'proposed by his lion. Friend, and he accordingly inserted them in his motion. After a few words from Mr. BANKES, the question was then put, " That leave be given to her Majesty's Attorney and Solicitor-General, Members of this House, to plead at the Bar of the House of Lords, under pie particular circum stances of the case, against a. 43i1l pending in that House concerning her Majesty the Queen, and that the same leave shall not, in time to come, be drawn into a precedent.'-'—The motion was agreed to. • . Lord C ASTLEREAGH said, that the King's At torney and Solicitor: T General were not exclu sively- the Officers of the Crown—they were also the Officers of the Public ; and as they were call ed upon to advise the Government in the pro ceeding now pending,- it was, he thought, most fit that they should be enabled to appear at the Bar of the Lords in support of the Bill. Also, if the Bill should come down to this House, it would. perhaps save much time, if there should be two, Hon. and Learned Members on one side as well as the other, who, from their previous examina tion-. and . cross-examination of Hthe witnesses, would be . able to make the House acquainted with the whole merits of the case. :The Noble Lord then moved for sianitar Leave ) with the same reservation, for his Majesty's Attorney and Soli , citor General. Mr. W. WYNN said x it certainly appeared !, o t him that the motion.. of the Noble Lord mi g" frequently he ,drawn into- precedent, for there might be many Bills in which the 'tate would.be .concerned. Mr.' OUGHAM_ could have no ago *b__J . . _ ,a(thais. nap sh9Pi s b allowed to oppOse , hinklf and his colleag!if a at the bar of the Lords. lit ht . cou ld not avc d 5 concurring with his Hon. kriend, that ther e .' 6a , .some difference between the grounds of this 1 1 0 tion and that which he himself had brought P r " ward: At the Came time he had no objectiOn tQ the niotiott:. After a few words in explanation from - 1 ,6i.c/ Castlereagh and Mr: W. Wynn, the motion wa s put and zarried; Dr. LUSIIINGToN then rose, Arid said, that be had been honoured With the Commands of he , i r Majesty, .to assist her Majesty's_ Law Officers '- pleading against the Bill concerning her IViajes- tl7 now pending in the louse of Lords; lie th er e ' fore moved for leave to _appear at the Bar of t'•: - House of Lords, in terms similar to those used 1° the above motions. Lord CAStLEREAGH said, that for his part -would feel bound to give his consent to a motioo of this kind . ' for any professional individual wi l l might be called on to assist in the case allu de ' to. At the same time it should be understood t° be a matter of faVoUr.: Sir T.MAcitikTos'it 'Said, that in the pre°. t case he thoughtthe request was a matter ofju s e i tice, not of favour, particularly when it-was ask by a Member of so -confined a bar as that which he belonged. '-The indulgence was o° ' asked on general grounds---the . grouuds We rs. special, war so stated. Mr. W:. WYNN , Itivougtitth4t •-,there iyerz .n. - speciai circumstances ,iu • the. present applicatiO ? to distinguish it.froin airy OtheF case.- f - Mr. B.A.NIC-gS apprehended: that the adoptiO o °, the present motion would open too wide a de' ° ' fOr*:the permission of Barristers Who were MO: be of that I - louse, to.pleact hi the- other Tio u ' v upon Divorce and, otheit,Piiii' al e Bills. If suck s t motion Were agreed to, he ' felt indeed that would-be i raid to provide that it should not 13 drawn into precedent. The motion was agreed to, coupled with t" provision that it should-not be drawn into pre dent in any other case. (For theltiidariWr of the Progeeitiogs ottlie House of cers" pious,,--sec the Fourth Pagel LONDON JOURNALS. [DULY E.Y-TR4CTS,] FROM THE MQRNING PAPERS OF THIS DAC' [Morn Pos tel THE - QtlE EN: The most atrocious placards continue to, b e gratuitously distributed, the undisguised obi e-e -, of which is to inflame the rabble, and by int iff ' s ; dating witnesses from appearing, to stop at 0 0 e the course of impartial justice. But these 1 0 , and infamous arts, thoughsupported and encou o o s / ed by the unprincipled and pandering pOrtion, ir the Daily Press, will recoil upon the heads of till mischievous authors, and Truth and Justice 111 be more proudly triumphant .than if they -ha te not had so much of weak villainy . :grid iizfainp, encounter in the fait march: • in -the extreiri4 of despair, we understand thit the City- Radi O s t meditate a Petition. and Remonstrance W it ' s( the Bill of Pains and - Penalties, iipo - n - the pretence that as the ;King is interested in t e , result, his- Majesty .is not constitutionally:Go- 1 0 tent to give his Assent to the Bill afterit r o d have passed both Houses of Parliament,- a pe therefore that the validity of the Divorce reai, a l disputed by the Minor branches of the Family in the event of his Majesty giving ll' c • self an heir to the Grown in direct line of 5° cession. [Morning Chronicle.] The Alien Bill was read a third time, and „t sed in the House, of Cominans last night; of the comparative - which th is I , f _ti portant measure has been, allowed to pass thr°' i i -- c 4 its different stages, mint, no doubt, be attriDf t he : . tO the earnestness with which the attention of lid os whole country is fixed on one subject a - exclusively. Indeed the principal discussiO n se d the, present occasion was caused,by,the pra t ° fo , provisions to remove obstacles- in the way 0 % . 0 1 , reigners giving evidence in- the-ease. of the (du e 0 s WeAre afraid we must now consider this mea- 51: ‘ ,%J• part of our permanent system. It isnot evenPre"do• ed by Ministers that the Government of this Li °- a cll' try has any thing to apprehend from the " 1 " nations of Foreigners, or that they can rencl er ff aid to the disaffected of our own subjeas• eri v only.Qbject of. it is. to afford .aid ,to the Gr °c teo ments of the,Continent. It is a part of the sY bf the Holy Alliance, to which Lord Castle re has pledged. the Government of this Collo l ' o o o the struggle 'Aich has been...going on for t sad time, betweenthe People ,of the Contine ll ot their Rulers, it is well known that the Gover li o ; t ot of,this Country has uniformly taken part agatije, the - People. Whether this is really servilli Continental Governments themselves may vv. ; tho doubted. Whatever tends to confirm them idea that they can brave the demands of tne,P 00 1 for improvements and reform, and to, lea" the to resist all such demands, is only pfl '' ac; way tor their more certain' overthro‘V. l . ies pa, cession to their strength, from having t froT by their subjects :that there is no' asylu m their resentment, is more imaginary Lila This is, however, one great object of the 7 t he., Bill. While such a Bill e x ists, it ena ble' tbei r. Continental Governm en ts t o hold out to, the subjects, that th e y a re no where lief on° reach of their power. • - [New Times.] a P r We have always and anxiously contenreapo a and impartial trial of her Majesty it i en th T, 4 TH 1.11 vit 4th 11111 Da ) zwit