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ed oT that assistarrce r they had the advantage =of hearing tile - Honourable Gebtleman (Mr. whot, if not one i of. her .legal: adyisera, appeared , from his , -expressio n s t o be. her pOlificaladvistr. He spoke hi the first Persoh-plurria---ewOwill do t his- What ! and ;talked of "' 'hat we_will do, amt-what we have don e, -" the I10+41:able: Gen tivman no doubt might pursue such conduct, but lie (Lord C.)did not 'think that lirs . 'declarationS' that night viroiald add .inuch - weight to, his opi , - ettiens another time. : lie . waa,7however, gkad to hear the Honourable Member express his repug 7 21 "celo get rid of the question by that stibter ,- . f lt, qP a of which the Gallant Officer and the Hon. lenil3o for 'Westminster ivould avail themSelies -they would put down, all inquiry on the ,plea ° I delicacy,. and. in coder to avoid facing - dis gusting details. DO the 'Honourable Gentlem en kilink that those disguSting details Were the mere "eation of the Attorney-General? a If there was a. .. e °llspiracv- fabricated by indi,viduals—if a con 6,Piracy eaist e d, how easy and natural would it 'axe been for those ' who sustained 'it' to effect their -object, as . far as the . Honourable Member's.: /easoningeweot, by, fabricatinohe fact at once, : instead of going into long . and disgusting details ?, Wouhl it have been the duty of the Attorney- - Qeuera.l to slight those charges—was it not more the duty of that Honourable and - Learned 'Per /oh to bring forward thdse charges, and th e evi cleirice.:by which they were sustained ? If the charges against her Majesty grew out of 'a con -4 Piracy, was 'that Rouse to leap over all proof,' and to forego all consideration ? What would plat do b ut str ik e - aga i nst the . character of the Queen ? lie (Lord C.) , could- not- .help observing,' that if Honourable Gentlemen at *died-any- wela-ht.to their own opinions —that if t hey thought they. could be of service to the ; c ause - of the Queen, they had. taken the very wur n'course. The manner in which they OX ereeti.,thismseives would render their interfe, f rene i e 'useless, their testimony would not ha ve a s"'"er's weight.in tho.opinion of any rational or 1111 partial.man—(Hear !)--lie was anxious only te , see justi ce don e .. : He. was - sorry, not to see isle same disposition in others.: He, was sorry to Witne.ss :the want of temper, : of delicacy, and 'vOuld say of judicial decency. He, would de clare soleinnlv, that if a conspiracy existed, he • w.°ll ld:call-for the assistance of :Hon. Gentlemen t° assist him and his Friends to. detect e it. The atpvr,tion that thee e was a conspiracy was an ad ePloPal 'reason for them, to proceed, and to fa `uom it to the bottom. This was the plain and I ) bviou s line of duty, instead, of attempting to in r4ule the m i n d s o f th e peop l e out o f do ers — an `lamination which, if it existed, he must say. t"eli-t the. sentiments he heard that night were by Il e - ricans likely to allay., It was the solemn tv or that House not to interrupt inquiry ; it I ; as for the character of the Q u e en t h at hives '‘gation-shonld go on; for he would never consent . ` ,:i istop it Under a plea. of false delicacy, and .a want of ten per had been evinced . Ow country. conspiracy existed, let it be tefully sifted ; he (Lord Castlereagh) was .r eager as the .Honourable Gentleman could ii 4 ,for a full and complete investigation. If °mould turn ,out, that persons drawn fro an va.- 1 : 1 : Q1 , 1 s parts of th e ear th had deceived those who , been sent out by the ,Government, and a selection could not be made for investigat- Cthe truth ; if those persons were deceived, if oe -charges were brought forward without any i, u se, surely th e st r i c t e st in ve sti ga ti on ou ght-t o :' l ow• if a.conspiracy did exist,then he would t ' i l q say that it was a conspiracy un e xampl e d Ile history of th e wor ld. Th e Gallaut' Officer 'ad that night produceda.letter for the purpose Z . endeavouring to traduce a witness for the pro. If there was any thing in that letter, t s:l did he not give it to his Honourable Friend, t re Cou nse l f or t h e Q ueen ? Did he think that ir ,e credit o f th e facts stated might suffer byaan 6 4 ',"tigation on oath ? Why did, the Gallant Et'!lcer conic down with. a _partial and garbled . w 4hl't-erneut to that House, wh e n that docunient, a teVcr was. its value, might, he given in evi a-,.ce in the other H ou s e o f Parliament ? The ' al iant Officer had denounced the condu c t o f o ar°ll .omotedq who had broken into the house e tl" • Princessfit lof Wales, and committed violence att epiptin g to get possession of her papers. - would only say, that lie .felt it his duty to 4 `e.,inqui r i es on that subject. He applied to h a i i- 4 ,, l it•Uunster a man of the highest feelings of - r Lit, who ass ure d him that there was no Q m ( ! ) 9 1 1(1 to .give coun t enan c e t o th e c h arge , e ' i ti v• that he b e li eve d no . such thing ever oc tred he . spewed t o hi m , (L or d C as tl ereag h) 1, ''al Letters, , which' spoke in terms of the oing?est respect of the honour and reputat aue_ ion of Ptt dae----and with respect to that personal is tstapinh, p er h a p s , was no t th e b es t way to wat either truth, or falsehood, the Baron had e u a whole fortnight for his opponent. .aa as ate vec • Might be the result of the , inquiry, it pe.., certainly unjust and unfair, to , sacrifice the 14,, Fs "atcharact er of individuals. Another gon. th it , nl ber (Mr. Hume) had said, or insinuated, 'the rain had been thrown in the way of the the en, in order'to prevent her from collecting Materials of heti• defence; from this it was I, :r that the HoneMeinber was, not one of th e ' we g: 4l - Advis ers of' her Majesty, because if he th at he - would say, .cc We are satisfied with all time Government has done, his Majesty's r crver tene . at has done every thing , that we de- Resideeo they h ave d one all that we wished —they us only t o men ti on t h e wor ds, as t h ey a W ed a s to gratify us in every possible wish." It c lear the 'Honourable Member Was not in the' -I;;L al h e°uticil of her Majesty, whatever he might it.v r er .Coaucil out of .doors. He (Lord C.) . h a ,"_ true, had reason 'to know and_ tolament, • L'a. first some obstruction did arise from official t "'s; • but that was no sooner known, than a tili ta . t -s tep - was taken that could- be-taken, to fa ro,,v till objects of the. Queen.- But the in 44iiee"'-er;ii.ces which her MajeStV's agents might -1 4,, to su t f ered abroad were not exclusive.— rei gn °/ 'flight complain of official delays of a hce co w untrie s , an d o f th e personal inconveni-' hich followed. Most important docu. ' rfients, cond . & e Wit 1t • present case, they thought inighthave been produced at Milan, bur they found that ; i t - avusfirst necessary to. get an I order fronAlenfia. It WaS also found that th e order frtfiu"kriertiia should be -previiMslrinspect ed by the proper agent;" and though the - time was extremely pressing, and the Bill was actually pending before the other .house, those documents were - sent back- to Milan. to be certified ; And, fn consequence of the delay which took - Place; they did not arrive in London until several days after the case bad been' closed.-Thee came, of course too late. couldotho , ,-veVer be . .expedited, notWitlistanding the pressing applications .61 Col. Li Ownand of Lord Stewart. He troubled the Holae`iVilh - this - deli.iil, .O'r4r that . the House might not suppose that all delay, or obstruction, or inconvenience, were on ode side. They Were obliged i'4S - Libinit to the . 414 whiCh re&becanse: they could not , expect that official forms, so long acted on by the Austrian Govern ment: would be 'aside on thk occasion. : When' he (LOrd. .bad received an official Corti — mu-; nicatiOn as to the forms which that Govetn - mjnt required to ,be observed, he •ithmediately on re eiving it sent_it to Dr, tu s Thington,„Eind had the honour .of communicating „with him upon ,that subject ; feeling, as . he did, an inclination to act 6n this question with the utmost candour and li berality. On the.question R*ll' he had nothing to say, he could not suppose 'for a moment that the House wo u ld. entertain the motion, because by doing so, they - would, - leave the Queen in a most 011 . '11'0 situation. it was really 'singular that - the Gallant Officer should take the: course he-did' that night ;on a former occasion, nothing was heard but loud taunts against Ministers for not coming forward to establish, it they Could cstablish, those charges:- He would not be de terred frornproceeding ; he knew that a strong, generous, though deluded feeling was abroad, lie was sorry to say, promoted by those who availed themselves of every topic of discontent; but lie Still hoped that the country would judge fairly' of the whole transaction. He cautioned Gentle.; men how they acted, their intentions might be . pure; but they would 'lend themselves to the purposes of those who sought 'to inflame the ,country. 'Whatever might be the dangers or the' perils that presented themselves, the House,' he, was sure, Would a c t firmly to promote the 'g re at course ofjustice, to uphold its Own'character, and to give 'to'the IlluStrions Person accused 'the full opportunity of defence. • • Mr. MAneni.Ev said, he had had the honour and satisfaction to support the Noble Lord opposite oil the 2.2 d 'of June last in a motion, which de -clared that the inquiry at present pending in the House of Lords " could not fail in being disap pointing to the hbpes orParliament, derogatory from th e dignify- of the Crown, and injurious to the ,best interests of the Country." And if the Noble. Lord. was of that opinion on the 224 of June last, he saw no reason that he could have for being of a different One now ; for whatever should. he ~ the • result of these ,proceedings, he was sure there was no one in that ,House who did not plainly see that the 'best interests of the Caufitty would be affected ; if the , Matter ever came into that House. The Noble. Lord said, he . did not fear public clamour, and he had been very liberal in d ea li ng Ou t his admonitions to Gentlemen on that side of the' House. But he must 'tell the Noble Lord, that, he wanted no such.achnouition. lie could do .his duty to his constituents witho u t th em , as th e Noble Lord himself. But he would ask, Was no attention to be paid to the public feeling on this questionsiei pecially when it was such, as was founded on the vote of that House ? This was all he got up to say—that he should give his vote for the Amen& ment before the House on the present Occasion, merely on the ground of consistency ; and in doing so, he was borne out by the Noble Lord. If he wanted another reason to influence his vote, he should find it in . the . circumstance that the DiVorce part of. the Bill, of Pains and Penalties pending in the other House had lately be4o given tip. It was said, his Majesty had nO'view, no interest in the case. If then he - had not, it was plain that the nation had none ; - -and this being the ease, he' could not agree with some of his Hon. - Friends in wishing to press .forward this matter in orderto,do justice to the. Queen. He was actuated by - no such feeling----he . cared only for the nation. Mr. CREEVEY gave his entire concurrence to the Amendment. Nothing,lte maintained, was more regular than the moving this amendment upon the motion of the Chancellor of the EXche-' quer., lle certainly had been against a motion made on'a'fOrtrier - occasion' for putting an end to these proceedings.. and preventing their coming into that House, because the Counsel had then said' that such a course would be a manifest injustice to het' Majesty. But the case was different now; and nothing but the injustice of the_ measure it self was' apparent. The injustice of the whole conduct of the enemies of the Illustrious Per sonage concerned, was of such a nature as' althost to baffle deseriptiOn. They had first of' all' seen her turned out of house and home, and driven out of the country; they had .been a confederacy of ,a \ ll Europe ,against a single - individual—all the resources of Europe , had been' etntiloyed' against. her. They had heard of evidence. be-' ,ing sent to England by .force against her and could it be conceived that . Ole 'sa'me powers ' Would 'not be used to prevent evidence *in" her favour from corning? Such a load of calamity never was heaped • upon an individual—and that individual a. Woman, aPrince RS, and the wife o f, a King. The'grosS 'injustice of ' the Whole was obvious to the world. The Noble Lord said, it was' matter' of.conrse that .the minds of the people: should be excited upon such occasions as this. He knew that in all political Controversies the people were apt to - be led away- by - sudden :im- Pulses, and .come to hasty inconsiderate conclu-' ,ions,, which were easily dissipated ; hut there were some opinions and feelings; . engenderpd in the breasts of the natiOi Which time would in' Vain4ssay, to :ohlittirate... Hampflen,.a, _simple individual of little note, who opposed the tY: ranny of Chnrles,and the villainy of his Judges; • • • ey y l, . ; let hUir - carne rt'that was .familiar with every one at the present.? j was against the Bill, and h e to o k thi s war to' get rid of it altogether: - lie. wt as adverse - thei l liilti - piot only liecause :1C was degrading to her - Ma3esty, but because, as it went' ou, it would degrade every thing it,touGlied;. It . was degrading to Government, to the - aristOtracy . of..tho country, to the House of...L6rds,' including the Bishops: Did any one think that .the-:thanner. of CondufAing this Ease was noC.degradin to- the: Ifouse of Lords ? Had the. Noble Lord,bever -read nor lward:.of the Noble Lords..cheorhig, and Making demonstra tions of satisfacticin when any oiddence.Gathe out . which happened to be unfavourable td.the , Qiieen'?, Some How Gentleman had talked about Counsel heing 'brow-heaten bite he -(Mr. Creevey).had heard . the. Counsel reprithatid -the Judges.— (Laughter.)-4-:- Did not this then spew that this Bill, although professedly. only Co degrade the queen;did its fact degrade—the. Aristocracy? Then Game the jintiinatibit from 'the .Prime , Minister When the case for : the Crown was closed that-the Pitorce part of the Bill would be given . up - . But!.: 4 1. 11 y was this ?.- It :was .by that time ascertained, that; recrimination must come, and that that - was likely to bring . the greatest ile , raciatiOn'-01. 'all. The farther the Bill proz . heeded' in its pro, ress, the more degradation it entailed upon all it approached, and when no thing else' was left to be degraded, they—the Ifousoof . pointhous, were to be de:graded. The Bill was finally to come• before a Jury of 600 people. During the time 'the Bill was hi the House of Lords, he himself had seen- . the Judges of the- land retire one, two, and three times a day, in order to. be able to instruct 'their Lord ships as to 'what questions they ought to put. Once he renienibered, so difficult was their task, they were out for three hours. What then was to happen when it came into that llonse, where 'there were . 6oo 'Judges, no lawyer of authority :amongst them,' and only the Chairman Of Com mittees oPposite, to keep.the- peace amongst them ? In conclusion,' he must declare his conviction, that by adopting the. amendment' of his lion. Friend, they would' deal out the ptirest, adminis, tration of justice, and best consult' the interests of •the country. Mr. P. MOORE followed at some length,:on the saute side, observing that the proceedings against the Queers originated in a - foul conspiracy, and that his Majesty's Ministers were at the, buttons of it. This he believe's' in his 'conscience to`be a fact, and be Should•notinince the matter, but speak hiS Sen timents openly on the subject. . • • Mr. ELLICE said he should have no objection to sacrifice any opinion of his own, if he saw it was likely that the 'amendment would lie adopted s but perceiving no probability of that fact from the tone of the House, he should rote against it, desiring, as he did, that the Queen should bare the fullest opportunity of txposing what ,was considered a foul conspiracy against her hosiyar and character. • Wheu the Bill should be brought down to that House, if fatally such an versa should happen, he was determined to oppose it in every stage. Sir M. W. RIDLEY concurred entirely in What bad fallen front the Hon. NlLlober Who had s"ps'ilsen last, and shosild now only ask a 'question of the Noble Lord opposite, Upon a point which had conic to his knowledge through the public papers. He found it there stated, th a t a t a meeting held receotlyat the Crown and Anchor, an Hsns. Baronet, who was in the. Chair; said that he had received a letter from an Alderman of the City of London, haw:Mug him that !ter Majesty's defence was stopped short for want of pecuniary ine7ans, If this was a facti - it was sufficient - to call down on his Majesty's 'Ministers the heaviest displeasure of the,House sod 'of the country. He shisuld be.glad to receive some information on the subject from the Nohle Lord. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that per haps it more immediately devolt'ed upon hUnr-to afford such information. No suns which her Majesty hail yet applied for, had been withheld ; and all the other sunis which she should, require,'would tic granted, subject only to the 'regulation for enforcing the 'proper application of them to the particular purpose for which they were demanded. Sir NI. W. RIDLEY said he should like to receive from the Right I-lon. Gentleman an account of the sums 'which her Majesty had already received, wills the dates at which - they were disbursed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said she 'had already get , 20,0001..f0r the purpose of defraying the expenses, of her defence. Sir M. W. RIDLEY' said he should wish to hear the dates. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that 10,0001. bad been paid .her a little -before the proceedings cumuseaced in the House of Lords, and the remainder alter-' wards. M. IV. RIDLEY desired to 'wow in 'bow intioydayi after the latter sum was demanded it was Paid? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER cottldatot say' exactly, : ugly a very few days elapsed. . _ Mr. S. C.. WHITBREAD w i s h e d t o sa y a few-word s . ex , plauatory of his reas o ns f or g i v i n g thOmendinent propos ed' by his Hon. Friend, his hearty sapport. He had never beers able to discover who was the prosecutor or party interested in these proceedings; but all public, grounds fin': their being taken away they were told that the moral; of the country *ere Co-ism-rued. But lie would ask whether most injury was. likely to be done to.the morals of the nation by following up, this Bill, or by puttiog a stop to it from the present. 'simin?" It morality were the •reason of 11iiiisters, he hoped their' search nfter immorality would not stop there. They would And many aperson as high and higher than:the accusdd as, open to Censure and a charge of immorality.. As sounali this was-disputed of, he gave notice'iliaehe shrink) make' a moths!' fur an account of all the money expended in these procvedings.—(Cries'of Qiiestion ! and withdraw!)— • Sir C. MOtiCl( declared himself tube against the pmend • , ment. He thought the,aceused ought to has, anaspPortunity •ol applying an antidote to all the which had been sent forth against her character.' Bcsilies, be could not forget that her Majesty's Attorney General said it washer Majesty 's most anxious wish to ;_4u -on. •He should hold himself,' never theless, sit liherty to °lipase this" Bill it it ever entered the House. _ • • Sir GERARD NOEL merely rose On the present occasion; because he was unwilling to, give a ,silent vote. He had; thought that the Bill of Pains .and Penalties sailed from this costatry in the same ship with James 11. arid he could nut comprehend how it had get hack agaln. He declared his in-; tentionto oppose it, if came into that. House. Ile applauded all that he had heaLd final every Gentleman who had spoken on his side.—(Laughtpr.) - • - . Alderman HEYGATE, its the gburse of s ome observation's, dwelt upon tke•datsger of suffering the military to interfere in subjects of aanslitical nature. Mr. DOCGLAS complained of the 'influence of the public press, conducted as_it was, with great in keeping the public mind in a state of alarm and dismay upon (lie presen t question. lie th oug ht that his Majesty's Government were hoaud to g ive some satisfactory as , ,nrant eto th e well-disposed • 11 of 0( 4 community, that Ibey would :adopt m a mma ., f e i . res training the alarming, usilosAry of the press in-ibis re spect. He also adverte d to the impropriety of her !klajesty receiving Addresses ,frous large bodies, such as sailors and others, and said that steps ought to be taken, to punish every violation of the Peace that might:take glare in c a as apy ac a of them. •s . BERNAL; deprecated the adoptiml'of ana ntAV suites mute !nistar to. pubtie hib,rty thins thOse cottons hills which had been 'sassed by the :aitl'aelianient. Sitrely the H o nourable.Nlember could not exp ect. that .the House would sanction another edition.lif them. As t'tr the_ licuntiouiness of the press, it was clear that the Lords were nut alarmed at it, when, to 042 surprise of e v er y one, they is sue d „„ Isitiou against preventing Use puiilication of the foul' and filthy 'details which had gone' before the public. The ü b o of the Press be hoped isever to,.see:aoridged. ltavas the great goat dian of public liberty;anal;it wasriut tote expared that, at tide if , existed, a little licentioustiesS was• o t h•t a •li t h e amr. HOBI - 10 , USE flaw r , ;hervedy that however unwilling be was its a prang Member to divide the House upon any questio;i,. still that he felt jt his duty to du so in the present . rallguss. .wcre ordered. to crithdrat., , ,ifitrni vided— . " • • . •', .For the 06g - 14 . 41-Nlol4in Fort i~ w t • Alajority PET11.740.N •1~:ROM-NoRE0 - 1.1. - ' 1. Mr: COKE presented a,, - Petitiotr whiOli, ei far as we could gather from the noise . titatli - personi . re"- turning to the 'Gallery, _ prSitd-,for , the 're-insertion of the Qtr.ecti.'s naale. iu the Liturgy; 'and objected to the . whole prO,Cerdinpagailist.hcr and .ordered tolie it - the table... . • . On the,tiwtiou of Sir , G;WARR,ENDER;Ji.g Sp•aker was ordercdto issue warrant to the (truidi-of the - Crown,.di rectipg'hiin to 'in,tte oat a new wiit fur the Borough of Aber tice.u, iii tti - eroonr - Of Tcrgisvoli,.Esq, deceased' • . THE MILAN CO• URIEIt • :•. 'Sir It. WILSON rnse.to ask the NI/bit: t.. 0/ d (Castlereaghl.a tpaestion, - to which cc was anxious to hare -a decisive answer. - Previous to putting tt, however, it was necessary to mention. the circumstances. A matt ut the name of Kayos, had, as ti t learnt, heen much employed•as extra.courier by Goverti,.. Theta, awl had especially been sent) - requently an service, by the . Aldan Cinatnission.• Of/ otie'of those occasions this person2lnttl been.arrested,at Calais, en a charge of list itig* forgto or issued gorged Holes to the. aminint .dint. Ike notes.yvere sent to England for.examination„andasrin'tainett• to he forgeries, and the•answer of Kayos to, themitestionS7R9t to him rigs,: Unit he Imo received them ; tif f.RHiniiriditl'svrionn he, narne'tl-,`.at A Freircli . ‘thlicer was. dispai cite cl-• ty Miktiracehialie inquiries ; a n d' what he wished to know wit's, St hillier if was' :true, as eunti dently stated, that:during this pm-it'd, and before the return of the Ftench Officer, 'Sir Charly 'StuartAialf. de- tuanticd the imme.diate release of KlOll6 , 'French 'Government. .The fact be b4ieVed was that he hail been see,- at Ithertyonid.he deemed it necessary that some explatiatiint should irogiven of the transaction. Lord CASTLEREAGH was glad of the opporiunity ed hint of doing public . justice: to the indilidnal in question ; and if any furtherinformation than. this e9iiirett sinful(' he wanted by the Gallant General, lie would be. nappy.tofitrinils hint with it inprivate: The facts were, that Krous had long been employed in th e Ki ng ' s serv i ce as ' an extra Alessl,liger, and seem on missions abroad when it har,pened that nu re gular afe'ssenger, could be dispatched. In this way lir--hatt been the bearer of several communications to and Irmo It was also true that he was arrested on - • charge similar to what . had been stated,- and that Siceltaa..•Stuart bad consequently' „made such representations to the Eretielk_ Government as were usual - when it happened that any. person in the service of Government Was stopped inlrisr missitat. The result had been, that Mr.' Krous's. character was,;coni pletely justified; and ho_possible stairs atta9ting . to his.cott duCt, lie was again taken intr..llle employment of the Govern ment.- 'lle felt happy at being able to rende.r.this.justice to one who. had been erroneouslyaccused ; and should bejtady •to avail himself of any other .inturmation the Gallant - General aright be able to furnish. - . • EXPENCE OF - PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE QUEEN. 'Mr. WHITBREAD rote to make his motion relative to the Expences' attending' the 'PrOceedings against the Queen, which he would not confine merely to those recently ifietirted, but wished to extend to the whole period of siX years mu, brticed by•the inquiry. At any other ethic he - mould. have been willing to. give a notice, as was usual in the House, of his motion ; but he thought himself at libeity to dispense with it on the present occasion, as it was rumoured,-and-in deed,partly appeait'.d in evidence, that. great sums of InUney had been expended in support of the iiroseeution. .In bs opi nion, Ministers ought to be obliged by any opportunity being "afforded _them to take away any of the odium of this filthy proceeding. His motion of course included the expense of the Milan Commission, upon which all he should remark was that Ire thought it reflected any thing brit boomer on the - country. He concluded by moving for an Account ot all the Expences of proceedings against the Queen, froth the roiliest period of the year ltti4 , atict of ajl sums paid he 13roisli Mioislers at Foreign Courts in respect thereto, .and of the Milan Cunt- 111/ISSIOII. Lord CASTLEItEAGH said, if the Hon. Gentleman -had moved for accounts to ascertain the general expense of •thesu proceedings (though not prudently nor converiiently.'Called for at this moment), he might. have thought it as well4i4g - rasit ,his motion. But as the Hurt. Gentleman had . pfoteSsid his object asking for details was to. serve for grounds inquisitorial,, or, if he pleased, eritritial proceedings, be 'trust object to hint, that while the 'investigation N . ViIS pend ing it was no time now, whatever the Hous,.! 'night disitter , Wards, to require such documents. 'He could assure the Honourable Gentleman Witt Ministers felt poi tion to give the fullest iirformatiore: they". werri trilling to .furoisli‘ all that could be asked:. Bet be did not think that this House could e nt e r into `a d eta il e d au di t o f the - i tens Of these charges. What could reasonahly be examined 'sietrutist be git en both as regarded. the expellee of the procejilings aga.o s t the Queen, and in her detente; but he ConCeit'ed shot the Horisr conkl never exartrioe this in audit, far 14,-s that this was the time for the inottoo., Ort these grouirds tie woe -ed the previous question. • . • ' Mr. WlllTl3tiEfcli thought. the present as fit ac,.Titus to more for theexpencesot - the.proccedings . agailist her Slajesty, as fur those 11)6ot - red : by her, the . pi oduer ion of which; he un derstood, was not objected to, • • • Lord I;ASTI.EREAGq repired, that there was ho Abject thin in either case to furnishingthe glUss amount as fur 3$ the Caine could he made out.. ; . • • • • Mr. BENNETT inquired from what fluid these eiketises were drawn-. The Noble Lord had, on a forater p ecasion., told • , them that the Prosecutor might be the Dtike of LorriwUll. df that. were the case, and the process was ditecfedagainsit tba Duchess of Cornw a ll, h e h a p e d.th e r e venues of - the D'uchy, winch produced fourteen- or...fifteen thousand ti. ys'ae.lshavo the charg e, would be tirade applicable to the.Duli,e ur:corne. W21,11!S costs. Lord CASTLEREAGH, in answer said, that so long hs the inv-estigation was carriedou ahread, the expellee„.was de , frayed out of the secret service money; s ince it. had' Etecome a public inquiry, the charge would fail in the ordinary way upon the funds assigned by Parliament. With regard to Ilia first part of the expenees, lie twirl() add, that all the s it ems were.expentled uhder the oath of the parties entru;led with the dishnesetoeut, according toithe provisioni of Mr. Hurl:v's and that 'Ministers. had no intuition or withholding them from the saute audit to which all the other charges• were subjected. Mr. HUME observed, that when the Secret Service Money was voted,,be had repeatedly asked the I:oble Lund for what :purpose so large a sus was necessary, and the Nobleterd had answei'etliiiin that in winding up the expenees of a long plit tracted war there et:wanted many services to he reWavited of which no account could be furnished. lie had it diitirictly , tit view wheri he made these inquiries, to ascertain if arty por tion could'be altUtted for the Milan Conhaissioo; anti he nits oerstood the Noble Lord's explanatioo. to he a virtual denial of that ,application. He was now touch surprised to irate that it could -be used fur so dirty a purpose., Lord CAS:FLEItEAGFI did not know what the 'Hen. Gen tleman meant. lie hall given that answer which the facts of the'cuse bore him outiu giving as most likely . tp supply the Hon. Gentleniati witli the •inforMation seentedlo want. Me half of. the whole sum voted haul been paid' to tatisfy claims which grew out of the late xvar, Mot hie cohlfi notios gitle-any more coirect 'Mode of accounting ftir the - ,fi,uktitint of tile Secret Service •lotrey when a questrcoi , was alk . astabcrut it, than by stating the principal source of exiiencliture. But these expenses, the Hon. tientlemall would :nob. torte not 'so great as lie ; represented. Tire Sitais spread:over two'yetirs did trot reach above.B or . 00001. fdr ally, one re -grad to th e investigation at Mitsui, he,cottlikconceivenothing inore,properly.helouged to tbeSeeretService than that which& it was wisited to keep, ft ani 1),(11)1161y., " Mt. 111ABE1iLY. inquired from what - fund the subsequent charges mere taker'{ ? .• . • . Lord C. - kSTLEßEAfiffsai t l,•the expellees were io the first instance - pa id hilts trash -by Nlissions abroad on: the Fe reign Office. sulisequently . lie discharged by flit) , -Treasury, and coansstreior A the klobse as eivil.coirtingeneies. NiAIiERLY eitpressed his diSapprotottion of any-money ' being pititrwitnenittla vote .f tit H0u5e...14 would at.teast be more- constitotrotiat to obtain it in that way.... • Mr. HUSKISSON said,. if the Hoo,..Gentletriati sotesulted the-Act of Parliament, he would Z.fiseover iliat it provided for the.issue of all sums that could nothe.foreseen. aria taken into the est iniotesfor the year. An net:omit of whatever wos IliuS expended' wa.t.laid before the HOuse ror the shcCeetling Session, itindivbted.ris part of the CivieCoritorgencies, Mr. CIIEE-,VEY observed, - thatos there., pro secutor, it was a firipliplication of the Secret Sit:rviee'sir any .public looney to issue it VII this account- ,The liongliad DO tilli,lo, pal hire espence.of wirkatiri : eoLoo. of - sh,te•fund . , any.Actriillowedisflt hight:ina: that ot. . s hotild lie revised. This was a mere private pr l t ) se aat. e; ni d t i he t ewi tg 3t , : H ad o ught not to be sto, -itted at tic ; public, Mr. BENNETI thought tire - -COmmission had sat. long. enough at .Milan to admit of its charges beiug laid befo re Parliament ; last Session. t i , I; ii .t t i l r o d ti t: t i r •i . . 4 S' u l ei f s ,E tio ft t l;:er om H ir A e l p i., e . e n d o h t s e, replied t Commiision.was instituted with the full .knowledge- and as sent of Ministers, who felt it to be their duty to , prerbe the re ports brought before the Governweut, in order to .Tear her