The Sun. — London, England, 1820-10-19 00:00:00

T ye t. ri ot ax brolte° 60 1 ; base 1 10 was re ards rest f the J,4 no t t t bet° t best 'Of I o nientioti , n ,41 varr t es o If Noce"' laugh . ; 6•110 ob e s oh ° rsoo ha t 1110 t 4 ie stieets be 'cl'j i" her it0).31 • ed ,t tent , to c!)31,1 oer ore 1 1 . 1.5 ; pt Ilia), of mo" thct ;awe. „ g3 l L:tliCa 3 r. e •—•-• :16,* Pb weE• --it rtnrn t or, J v InP , m ber t iciati tiate°• f 1)r e1"1° ).-1 as'.'• ).,1) —I We % •ill 3 , ic WM . ., ) t.l)3t 11. ti on • ai IliPr ‘C 4) ( . Ile., L'3o?l,l'; letilird car it co • LI he 0' ,4 ; in bciji' you, b" oar ( be lie ne3 ll * ~t e o'3 is woo 00 0K1 ‘;',l-r.tl n fit r1 0 ,.. 11 : e 11" e nefer 13 / c „itro j MOO' Two volt tell v,ll 11(4 bel 3 , I 3. >._s of Ifli 130 ICl O = th t 29th h, two rays l e,ot ,as wow ;..11''' s tion' j fir". .1 s C Or. to lirst t J 1 Al 03 )f Pl° Li, Jiltelf !la j oint 1 „,1 lit . r e • 04• 01 ?.` s ane s s er °n liaa no to you nuatuni.catino w'ktit since left 1 1) s id ei n e ? .ver N :nd for von ?LIN:L . knd,ova.zzt now concerned fur her• Royal Highness ?—I do _ • sZelle.ntlOnTheie'e'nOt bad•aity comninniCatiOn• U 1 '. 1 A 2 ' . 4 . 1 I s' tIY ?INlone, I will swear one hundred thousand times. ‘4l7l:earettended biisineSS only. ,‘ • far is do yisur business ?—At ., P , orta m l u o c s i a, at Milan. h ow note],._ :our from Catlazzt s.• lia r I—a mile.?—?lore than that. YCS• e r,.1.1 lived in Milan ever since the month- of.Jcily .. .?- I. , cept a few days in the country. t'en e ' t the comityy ?—lit the territory of Flocencr: Atil a „ the eiceptiiin of 'a few days you haie 'tired at Will -;s. that ) 0,1 swear that although you have lived at Milan all 1,61111n5, CAdai z i h as not Called upon you ?—I bowed to him Wh e , nl et aod Weyer ske to me. _ • I)°4 le `lid h e see you meet him?--On the Corso de lit wade Genes. • did You see him the-re-?-About a month,as i._ or opal left his service was lie still concerned her dtlighness ?—yrs. Yoll ule a t 'ni . you sw ear th a t h e harnot evert - spate to .re tioli you Yvlwn n. 'and tins ant sixice yonedisehaige ?—Yes ; one hu"d Were '• thi 43 YOl2 examined at • a few. W„ e Milan ?—They a'slied • me told Y° l - 1 examined by Cailazzi on the 27th of-julY? — l nd a ,' the whole story of my own . accord._ wrote it down I did. tis ser i t -11 111 ) yan swear that - after that he turned yo u au., bid se s • lie did.. , ,te not then tell you it would not -do for you to -remain 4taarnoti while this tinsioess WAS pending, but that. y should' dice Mien it should have - been over?—No; for in his ir bid lie t d . "thing' , aud hi toy trade I gain. Icave hint in order to gain hy_your trade, •or did he bitarty d mit ?-11e sent me away. • ,i• tit • Yail kno w at that tiros: that you should gain an. tiring ‘1 1 " °1- trade ) y . ~ he 3 es ' • - 7 1 . 1 eciiiise I still carried on the trade when I was in cC 0 Lailazki. ii , 4 z - e w t , e ,. ll ne You, iv/hen in trade, to go into the office of•Ca 7 he:ir r li t 'aerc you gist nothing by it ?—lt was for the sake lt: I / 14,, :R. to write well.• 411 " expectation oi returning trade, Cad.iaji that r s i li's• service s ' ale t), flee air is over ?—tio, I ,am m a °id are vou ?-1 am 22. • • w, . Re-examined by NIT. orh B if after the intervr• • . is , w with tolone. „. r t - -‘ - ived Yes, on the lonOW oney front . . it' • n „ . • • 111ie list - "er the in terview with Colonel Drown that y ou v (*with es se , .—Yes. lert;;,"'" 'the atfairaliOgrtber, what SON of money did you rinticarti )—Between 350 and 400 . 1'1'm/el. _ oi:t ai s "fltki,lNcE . LLOR asked. the Peers if d 'le was oral'' ).l laesl;‘ ) I witness ? • its to t No answer being ies.n, to withdraw. the re m , „ Ponii, was • then recalled to the btlr at 5Sf Mr.°l3liOnanim. A Q ..xaminea r • ° kIIONV t i . O. .any person named, Riganti • 41 'it , p ' „ "kr ic , tv if hi llltttt s itaMiS Filippo ;- his 'name is d' t )es• I '—On ' t - be .- liankS ' of laeTorta Ci . ne , se. t tl . 4 r t . i.s he 14 . 1 tt l e t d e e . •?-1 - le to,b aeco, soap,. liquors, and 1(41 ' 1 • • Il• rig Upon 'you several ? 7 I do' 11'11:I:lilt it rit.l.(st.ri•iii:sitciAllisi had to ;purchase tobacco, or i any I Clly: 4t slitruldWatit, he bad always something to tel ine, '1) ei•er teak u :ny offer ? • I,. ‘h4 t ! i ! , vri• onNt l C ) %l , l4,ll.AW - rePi.egented to the - HOUse - ` ll s' l L,', Was le . gally - 'et; improper question, although it was . ,Tf e . l .4la kii.l to the House to put it if they chose. ;;, (1 / 1 111) said, that whatever might have t. ' l ls , ,j l gilestiatl. after what the, last witness . had " s ri "r ing'pass' e ta ( l 7 b e tVveen Vimicarti and the `l"t:si ion must be allowed. - 11644 an was, nevertheless, altered to the folloNsing. 1 0,,, 14-) a that occ ' • s ' • •t• did he ' do 'vent to lru? sua, iknr • " ,:l knowing that Iliad been at the t tit e ° , l 7 , he tolil mi lt if yosl have ever seen those conr t4i4 )tiwe en the PriLe's r 9 and 13es ganti, s uoW is the tithe to hie? ;ie 1.4, 13 e and make ourself a man.. • ' 1 ,4 1 s aY. any ,t hin , r Y -more. on t hat necasion -4 '':''' w ereti - hint 11, I bac.: seep notliiill4; and'he•r e Ph,r d ' • a tm di rt not setl 'Rei pull the Princess GO bon,cbacli t y lie - 40 t-put•lno band under her .petticoits. t -"tt 4 ' 31, e t •Inswer to that?-,Yes, toifl.bitn this 'Adf a ls e hood—(Lastgibterfor in -11, "i 11 'a r " • • • LI ti e .v due to It 0 lie•pai:d het' all the respect an eC I C ,. Iv "at • • alts'it esoinze thi ?—Yes, at all times, whenever I rt e' ren,; re . sh4",..l i m o r a e iin“oyed me so much that I wad sibliged • t so to 4. I rrut/s t/ eat by the ATTortNI,Y:UI:7KKA . L .. on ell ° '" i er;.to,,d to say that Riganti Pryer called On that thiSe "L ; ••'itiOn passed. when you called uponli, . y es ..l - ; • 911 „•• ss ' . st , •i c an swear it. • IVII i t .„ was• esiectH . ..) I .on _ passed t i ,b a. , that this cons ersatt . ?—Whenl we nt to or something that I ini . ght want. 1 1 ,( 1 w the purpose but the time I want to linOw?-4 ti its 4""1 " .. •last ear. iiar,,whanat• the last Yeas' ; l it was y said many e—l hale otorrer I 'w . eiti tti ins shop lie made such a no?-o tat 1,4 i oe wn ' t f i e .. il• to re off going" ; and even w e nt sn far ri f f O st , t ,: ll wage war WI death- ;•• but that was when other e present. st 4 1, 4 h. na f those who were present ?—I could 1- ' 4l lO y e n " eemember was present; the ho I. cl'- ' l l, lhere l . e ' cl` s l° , t ultio . .N. re' r . agg W lii ?—He is a man who always fee IV ' erjP • w e slo " lie.liv e ?--At Milan. a hat • 4t ? - -I don't 1- 1 m' whitt - doe s she do ?—I don't know whether he 11, 4 I .' heard ti ,), e ?' the Polier,•or anywhere else.• I ;way 'fli% co n y t-ation)-1-le did not speak to me in Pre l to all present who were in the shop. b t ft nt ?-...,y_c!nve;.sation was generally with , all who . were I - -It •: e ," recollect the names of others who werepre- IPelrl 4 mipossible, if I had known that this affair should I}, t his e urt ' s(4ll d - hav e paid'more attention. h was ? 'ersation happened frequently wen Nyent i t i o e audi t I 'sotl • t I was obliged to ileave going, Lid a Pe-t I, t ll alnq I , gn th • tocommodities for himself or for 11 these e use, be lrim them.use I wanted the. rr nsizP•taeglii pre - Sen v i n only- onee, or on many occasions ? l 'avt'be en t h ere or ' n ot, but that oncel rememf o Ask w its I ac ieth ilh '' w.hat he has stated is all that passed . on those at Whether Ver ' A . ti said any thing more said, isli e ) is "() ,, t , h i n . 'g.agairist,th g a't La - dy, for she is a just woman, ' -ti t '`„. • rd LA,;-,4tritable woman. s i, 4 atoo . `> l4 - 11 1)ALE.—Were you present at the balls at t h`l'e te -;" "1 told y ou the other slay. . • • ' .17 1 ' 4 '11 4 , 1'4r daughters you ?No, becausel have no ( "v ca m • e )-°a s •th ther day that the sum given 4 , ) ir e , _ay eo. ghter s ) ' u r 'Yourself, and half a Itere for each, of. your 4 rs ," sairliit,./; t f i dijo for my eldest son is . oine , 'lt n" the ' --" trt • e I had daughters. `' are ter s :iie un e cr .oa. ag . d ead -1 he witness - wit hilrew. • n .3itijoni was then ,Sworn.—Examined 4. „ vQ. p r • - 411r.AVJLLIAMS• °lll What place Rio you come :—A. From ..• Dio v 141 hii • . - "ss but f llow there ?—Before , was ern ' th . e liut u tio ° w 1 ant Manager at a Theatre at Y° rt a 4 t 4 know perm, '' • v : ) pers named Paolo Zatiga. rs 7 •---t!t. is•Maitaet• of a Theatre. _ , was. 3,,!..°l!,..seilsositited. with biro in March,lBlB? . - 1 ' 141 t4 I • nr . l°l beg' at a 'Flteatre in ... Venice w t it ' lj n l t ha ie t, ° f N year.? `Yes; } at the Theatre of St.Lucca, t . t , . wetniter. !;;;:ei re tr.e(lo you renientber his receiving arty letters ?- 1 ki rw li e 0 ``leaf y' at ttnce. Wi th Pelt those letters or not ?-4 saw him open them, nnition of sur ••after he bad read them. th at A .. pl •tse Elio .fau ,4111 anti Zaoga. go together from. Venice to 'w s „ set out from Venice, and went to Milan. Ys, after the • te receipt of those letters ?—Six or seven d id , ,„ •"" go ?-13.y the ' w.„, arriye.li-it th e p lace from fro which the diligence set rtnitiey :letnisited there fotr the letters. ",1,4 "fle 1‘ loci t . following:day, etter,recrivitit.. ‘l l in " together ; I saw 'Lan; :+ receive 15 Napoleons 4. 11 sent to him Irons Milan. t i.t‘ se i hc a p art ived at Milan, did you, 40, go with Zanga to a Orientale ?—Yes, we went there to look for ( Do you reMenyber .:tbe adjoining imises. and,what trades were there - '-i—Wefrot lit:chintz 660 (here - is a tailor's 611,9. Is thatadjOining house on-uric tide ?—Y - es. • .;ott•retueinber* tbt. adjitining house otrtlie-4theT site attention'to that, but I did at the tailor's sbop,,he cause I went thereto inquire for 660: •• Did Zanga gtstinrol66o •• • • I)id you!go tilt) •remained -below. How lorig >was* Zanga in the " house I=About a quarter of an hour. :• • • • And-yoirwaited - for•ltim ?—Yes. Did youtgo together to the inn afterwards ?..,Yes, we did:" While you were at Milan did you go with -hint to another' house ?—Yes, to tho-house of VinticArti, the Advocate. What street did hu-residi in ?—lot he street Longa e Bella: Zanga go into.the house?--:'es, he went in and re mined abriutatt hour and a half. • • Did you 'vomit! bhelotsduring the time ?—Fes. • • ,And did 'Zanga-join you*again -After Ow% did you and Zanga go again tit another house —Yes; to the house of Major Brown, -as Zat.ga 'told toe he Was.ealled. t • • , • )" ' Doloa kn-euw a Manor - Brown arid a Colonel Brown ?.—:Are there two- persons of that name?--1 know only one. I do not know whither he it a Colonel or a Major; I have not sden his Breliet.• - 'Were you told he was English ?—Yes. • Does he know the_person helealls Major Brown ?-Isaw hint the following day IThiirsday,) when Zanga bowed to him; he told me that was Major Drown. - Did you observe whether Zanga'and the Nlajoy spoke to get her.=They did not. They did-riot speak to each other?—They only bowed. I.want to knowtswhat was the name of the•street•where this happened I—The Porta 01 - ientale, near the. Eastern gat a. • Was there* house. No. 660, at Porta Orientate ?-I'es. .0n the!uceasion when you saw'them, did they go-up stairs in tho, house, No. 660 ?—Yes, they went-up stairs.' Did you go up.staits with them I—No, I rentaine4 below. 'How long.did Zanga remaiti up stairs?--About a quarter, of an hour. When he came downdid the witness - see' N . vliethey he had' any Thing with • him ?—Yes, lie had his hand full of ;double gold Napoleons. - • ' . a How many to the hest of yourjudgment.of dpubleNapoleorm might there have been ?-He "told me-80, and 'accordlng to my' judgmen,t, seeing them, there timitlitive been gn. .Did he sayeighty pieces or forty Napoleons-?=-Eighty double Napoleons. • What did he say to yon at that time? • • ' The ATTORNEY-GENERA here objected,to the question. If-this inquiry -was to proceet4 their Lordships would .doubtless., regulate it--by some rule of evide.nce: Mete wa.s not. the, .lightest pretence for i'Sk•iug what was the \conversation between ,Zanga•and the•witness. There was no evidence to prove Zanga was the agent of-Co lonel Brown s , or any other ,person whatever,: therefere the Lords could not receive the account of a conversation between two persons resiiecting Colonel Brown, yho might be wholly undonnect ed - ivith the parties. • - • Mr. WiLLIANTS 'submitted, that in, point of law it way - an admissible 'question: In the first instance, these double Napoleons werementioned by Zanga, • immediately, after he' ,left Colonel 13rown, acid all that related to that interview was On - fleeted with the charge of offering bribes. Suppose, said - Mr: Williams, the s counnunication trade by Zanga went to this extent—l have got 80 double Napoleons, and if you will do as I havedone, you will receive as. much -and more. The witness then says I will have nothing .to do With it:, • - The SOLICITOR-GENERA here interrupted Mr. Williams, .observing, that ,it -was most 'irregular • on the part of hig Learned Friend to say what the witness 'would say; before he was called upon to answer.—(A laugh.) • Mr. WlLLisims.--4low - can I :tell - what the evidence is, unless I give ?our Lordships Some in thnation. I am only Making a — SuPpOititin, iu order that your Lordships may'underStand what is the nen re. of the, conversatiOn We 'Manta give, in evidence. I *ill - SUipose 'the conversation, without giVing 'the - words of its to' ha 4 this effect:—Zartga recommends the -- 'witness; whe ther he knows any thing of the 'Princess of \\Tales or not, to , make, a- depositiz.r.++l- against her, telling him by such depultion he -would obtain •a sum ,of money. - Now, wilk•'not evidence of that conversation be worthy of your Lordships" attention ?—They had-- the nion of the Learned. - Judges, that in any trial where the question of • conspiracy was raised,' .Counsel might begin with any class of the evi 'dence,•with a view to trace -that conspiracy to the source. Stich . was the 'true course. ofi pro- Ceeding, , ..where the conSpfracY,was of ‘a general nature; , and no 'man would say it was not corn `p,etent for Counsel to examine any of the evi, dence according to hiS discretion. He vas de -sirens to shew - before their Lordships whether there had been -a conspiracy or not .+ He did not . knOw but there was an . opinion 'arnong the' people of Italy, that if . they would come forward to depose against the rti,ncess' Wales, -they would obtain profit and emolument. That was a matter of - fact, of Itligh importance in - hisopinion to the 'House ost Lords ; and in order to get at it, • he might . be tinder the neces sitf ,of going into the different -details. - Was he nut to be permitted to take of it the fact shewing ttiat general opinion ? He pi:oposed to-,examimi the witness and others on - the ground that they would prove there existedv, conspiracy in Italy to induce witnesses to . conse forward, right dt Wrong, to speak against the Queen. That was the effect of the evidence,, and it. would lead to. establish that which they voere labouring to proves, namely,. that the witnesseT had come over to this country render the impression that they would get tome thing by it. If the witnesses only-made out that fact, it would ,be,sufficient. _They had proved. that Colopc-1:BroWn and „Zanga went to the house of Vilmarcati at Milan, and that Zanga 'came down with a deal Of . tnoney.—They could prove' I iico-e if permitted to go on.. Mi. TYNDALL ft,ilthyved on the same was complained, he. said, that a conspiracy-exist ed to ! - procure witnesses, and they were .endea vouring to connect the _agents with' the act Of offeiing bribeS. In. the present instance, a person foutal' a sumof tnoneY deposited' at Venice to Col. Brown: carry him to Milan, where- saw - NY;hat reason could there be for bringing the man to Milan unless it was for some special purpoie He Went to the house of Vilmacarti, and then to the , house of Col. Brown, where. he was seen with his hand full of double Napoleons. Those facts were evidence to prove the -person conduet ing-the man front' Venice to Milan was an agent. It was one act, from which their Lordships might infer the existence of a conspiracy. In the case of the 44 King v. Stone and others," which vas a trial for High Treason, a letter was Proddeed,'not written by any of the 'patties, but ap p eared the defendantS had been concerned in the, purpose to ,which the letter refe ; ; red, and it was held it Ini‘lit by produced in eviden ce..--;They':Were. -prepased to shew-hy the'llitli69i at — the bar one of many_ facts`ipritiginefrliniii 3 :oli.qTira - 4,1n \ ; 4 : lli . ch Vilinl 47 cacti was one of the patties,t - • 4TTORNEy-G4N.i.R 4 j.: obse r .v,,d 7 .thai their 'Lordships imust..nowclea,fiy . See to,whatextent his Learned FriendsOn'the opposite. side of the Bar were endeavouring toWreSt the admission eXtended by their Lords:gips...„.tt : was DOW a ttefil p t6d "to "Sheiv,. that because, aJN!ged rumours' prevailed'. through the Sort:h .- 6f; Italy, that to depose 'against "the Queen wa.•3 . aprofitabl4 affair, therefore theimpres - sion must have affected . the minds of the Witnesses. who had been exa .mined and cross-examined at their Lhrashts' Bar: "and who-had denied all such in!proper uias oil their 'minds. If such declarations as these could, I;erecel'ed . h eN;idenCe 'no m an could be .•- 'conSidered safe from the most foul` imputations ; and it `.was his•duty in liitiine, to protest .against such a course Of examination. His Learned Friend, Wilthimi, isoly given - .gip the narrow... ground that he had taken, namely, that.a conversa, tion acconipanied by an act was evidence.; he'gave that' up, 'becauSehe knew itF ould not be tained,indsMuch as the ael itself tO.which such con versationreferredcoul d"noi be received in evidenCe. His Learned Friend, Mr. Tvndal, 'had ably and : . ingeniOnsly argued that this' examination ought to be received, because it. went to. lay the fouhdation of a conspiracy. I'h€: effect i of such an opening would - be, to let in the declarations of all:persons who had ever spoke On the „subject, Before, however, lu.! was. competent to give in evidence or these declarations, mist first establish the fact of agency. 'He had heard much:, of technical forms The - present . objection objection at _least could not. be Considered within that description ; and. he. felt that the 'COUnsel would desert his duty,•that even ou'a trial of conspiracy would not resist such course` of examination.' He. NV - PS aware ; of the impresSion_Which this line of examination- was make, to ake, not on their Lordship., for 'he well knew that . theirimpartiality would guard against an itnproper - .bias ; • but as their proceed ings found their; way - out of doors, their Lord- , ships must feel that it was an attempt to - Lnake an undue inipression on the public Mind. Mr.' 13aouGhiit said .they contending only. upon: the necessity of_ bringing. the acts of, all the parties before the Wouse. They didjtot attack COlonel B,,roWn The Lotto . CniNctm.on_expressed an : opinion, • that the evidence was not adun . Lord ship did not see how it was pOssiblefor the . di:4lde of the.witneis.describing /anga -when Ite came down'stairs to prove agency :Theither did that circumstance appear to be evidence of, Con spiracy. j..7nless they, knew What 1$ as done up, stairs, the House -could not decide upon that question. Lord EasKt.rsz?t said, the question was whether the evidence of,the ;vitness, in proof of conspi racy,• was to be admitted. The witness might fail.in what he endeavoured to prove, and if he did so fail, there was do discredit to the parties. The Attorney-General said he would have link after link in the chain of agency until the whole was thade perfect ; .but, if the first link was re jected, ho* was . ..Counsel to go on ;with the re.-. training 'links. He did not wish to carry this course of examination - beyond• bounds, but his Lordship was not sure whether' evidence similar in its- effect was not subniittek at the trial of Hardy and others. . . The LpßnCuANcer,Lort clearly- explained the case of Hardy, in 1799, when he officiated as Attorney-General. The question in the ;case was merely whether they ',were to admit evidence not strictly legal. It was not evidence of what a man heard Colonel Brown ; say or do, but what the witness , heard another say colonel Brown said or did. After some mutual explanation on the part of the LORD CHANCELLOR and Lord ERSKINE, upon Ifardy's caSe, it was suggested that the question might be submitted to thi Judges. Earl GREY was of opinion that what Zanga said might be proof of a general conspiracy, but it did not appear to him that the witness proved conspiracy against Col. Brown and Vimicarti. Mr. littOuctiAm wished the House to allow him to state the, real view that Counsel, took of the evidence. ' The Loan CHANCELLOR said it was four, o'clock, and the House would hear'the Learned Counsel, to-morrow.-7—Adjourned. PROCEEDIYGS .OF THIS D.Y. This morning the'Loan CHANCELLOR came, into the House at ten o'clock, when prayers were immediately read. • At twenty minutes past ten 'Counsel were called in. • The Loan CHANCTILLOa said, that he under stood the Queen's Counsel had wished to say something to the House - yesterday,. and If the Learned 'Couniel had anything to propose, this morning, it wouldbe" expedient to subtnit it now. Mr. Baouo4tA3l, - iii reply, said, he understood he shOuld this morning be indulged with an op-. portunity of stating to their Lordships what he intended to have submitted yesterday,w hen, how ever, he was retnindti d that it was four o'clock. - / The LORD CHA NC ELLOR here assured Mr. Brougham, that their Lordships were disposed t 6 afford him the sam,e opportunity of addressing the House as on yaterclay ;:but what their Lord ships might'think p , roor to do, upon his proposal being submitted to their consideration, was quite a nother thing. • , Mr. Bao uonAn here remarked, that he finder stood that the proposal of the Attorney_C eneral w as disposed of yesterday. ' The Loan CniscE4oa was of opinion thai t h e question and an s we r, which were submitted Yesterday ,to the il o us e , could not consistently be pu t in the present stage of the inquiry. li t , added, that he was commanded by the House to inform the Learned Connsel for. her. - Majesty that, ac cordingly, in the present stage of the ProCeeding, •• • " ' I, t. the giteitron9 - -11c0 ifaa..irsen;e o 4. I..fiot;rl.le::4)ut i , ISI 13• WO ti6l-ast - Ottiliegin,ifthis he 'vviShedln6st nbly w .I.. .stifuni.tL)s;rieoithe..t question. to ,the' - was. j) . ;0.-I?itefi y ,helincterstood4 frhni agki4tlteswit.ness,tco44,fel..s::... Ny hit Zingi had told hitt - 4, hot ~cas Ile at hhertp ;: to - .111 eon to de pi:)%ff. -CO I . 4l:irpti Iha d • iS ; parti, ular p oi i zt had..been 4,ken. lup yesterday by their LOrdShipi,JhOiigklie'clid not know how, as mine of her MA, eSty!S ,had; contended for if, but lie...wiShe'cl.now to.-Show 1 their'Lurdships.such actions' ott . ,the:Part Zanga 'himself, Altrou,gh the knowldge.of l Moni,l:as to • what Zanga said. of - his 'being able.„:to Shew cer. thin acts of Zatiga against the Queen. The A . riTO tor EYA; 1-* - En.il; here interposed, and ,protestvthttzainst••the line of . procqeding on the . part of theliearned Counsel on the other.side.: Me. Brto UGH ;01, 11 • reply 7 Contended,: that it : • vas because Mr. IVilliams, had . been suddenly stopped Yesterday . when lie irAs,..a,bOut . to . explain, ~. to the Honse, that all 'this inisappreitension , hail . arisen in their Lordships' minds.. .1 f:tmw .again- he _himself was to be 'stopped by his • Learn - 0:4; - Friends for the proSecutiOn, he should not know what : to. do. .Such, was the slipperiness, of thiiir nature that he hardly knew' • what:to.do. If, however, they meant to object , to what he proliesea to put. to -the witness, he submitted that it would be - better for them to hear the question . first: • .The AT.TOLiNE' Y . -GE . N2.ItAT, c'oultt.ttot allow the question to be put.' It was never heard of before, that after tt qnestion--had been, put, the Counsel • was permitted to state what . evidence - he.meant to give. If the acts. of Zang - a. were, to be-foroved• at.all, let them be 'proved . by the evitlence of Meoni, and - not by itiferences r of any kind. • • • The Sot.tcyrort-Grtint A said, in addition to what had fallen from his Learned Friend, that her Majesty's Counsel .had no.-right to argue the putting of the question on..any new grounds; as . their Lordships had decided.. the point—With • respect ~to the condUCt. of himself .and his Learned Colleagues 'at the 13ar, he begged • , to : Observe, their , own, justification, that • their Lordships had originally laid down . for . themselves. . the intellegible rule That they -; would, :throughout this_ bus'inss, in -all cases ; abide by ,thefpractiCe of : the Courtsl;elow, as . ' far as thei_possihry c0u1d.... The conduit of hima,H,: self and his- Learned Colleagues, had .:al.waisheetk. 9, - ,oyerned by; this -rule ,eitia , r .in puffin.. - questions, or in Objecting to the questions Of-9tUrsc: -and .he trusted ':that itis.,practice on. their— part: would be ekeusea by • Mr:ltrrr.i.s ws now asked it their .Lordshi - F5., , . would' permit the qite'stiotOo. be put. • • The toan - CHA.sciLLon, in reply, declared.., ••• that their Lordships' most certainly ,Avould- • They were eonipellerd_to abide - by some rol, therefore. they ..could not. heur it.—.1.30th.: My. - Brougham' and Mr. Williams here •explarned to:, : . the House, When. the_ latter Learned, Gentlemen complained that he was Prevented from stittinq what Zanga's Words , were. Tin . those. word s • • were heard, ..however,. it. Was_iniiiossible to say that they .had nothing to a, _wi!l - 1' :he preSent. case .and, in the mean , time, he. Wonld pledge-, :- himself to their Lordships, that they had stance-.!- • • -thing.tO'do.with The Earl GREY recapitulated what had passed yesterday on this subject in'•-tha. House : ; and • took occasion, at tlie same tioie,io. animadvert on the tutors uptiOtiS by the .:Itforney-General-to the admission ,`of- evidence ou behalf 'Of_ the, ; :aueen:•• If he understood what was proposed to the Itonse, in.. the •present instance, it.. was : offered . to. be, _ proved at their •LordiliiPs' Zanga,AVas -,. - one of the Con . :spirators'.aginst the.igit& • fu ;:Nvhile Mr. Williarns,'One of her;MajeSty's Counsel, was : : prepared . ' to opett . th - at specif%c charge, and after. , wards to call in evidence to substantiate. it. t peared to hint that this wt . t§-an. entirely new case,. and . he was of opinion that.Mr..Broligitarn had an undoubted right. to .be lie and its support of if = 7 The Earl of . • .- • that if doetrine7laidad -,, iii . by the • 4. • • Lord were ackno;,vledi,;.ed hy thel.giOu,Se, w?uld go to 'sanction an anamolons course. of pi ogeeditig ; _. : for after the 'CUunSef;oit either 7 side , had-±otive opened their case, theYhad.no right to.come:AO'ku upon. their -1, - .4ordalipi . with anew ogeniak4eech.. Were -their Loi'dships to call witnesses, whose -. • testimony . .hild nO reference to eitherithe- Proof:on defence, 'as first opened th - therri.? If oblectiokls . were taken t"v,this course, or even it .such pioofg Were admitted at last, it renntined,for their'Lord-• • _ships to decide ivhether_thei\Vere valid or .not; . - But, he would 'contend; it 'never was to 'be . allowe'd that the "LettrM'd Connsel on either side should; thiS stage cif the Proceedings,. be per f i :mitted to open a fresh case, for in ei:.her-cp-e, conspiracy_ coed be opened•at' the prs'ent As far as he could _recollect, there heen:no . coirspieacy 'at first . opened 'on . ..the • part of the- . „ Defence, far, if he recollected rightly; -the Learned Counsel for the Queen; in his opening, Speech; declared - that 'he wouldThot charge a. co'nspiracy- on 'tiny (mei' adding, that if- t 4 parties' had 1) , ..,-en coniplrainrs . ; they : could not-; . have acted 4-better •than - :they did; therefm . c Otto 7. Cons,piracy..wat char4eo:at . the tittle, though 0b. , . scurely hinted' at,. Wit their. Lorth;hips :conid nOt take coini'zance of ~it nor'::: This was'his view: - of, • the questioN'and . .if hei.:entertained ate erroneous v iew of it,' - he was.liable to be Set Lord. ".EltitisKlrct: said i . - - that he. entirely Agreed in wt atly.d-fallen from his Noble Friend (Pri. -- v` 441 d d i evas salistied that timy‘ - iit4, , ht to 1114 - 4 7 thr s tnediurn what'hadaratisp;ii•ed front Cyl.Browti. With respect to the observation of tht, Noble garl.Opposite,that the CounFellisr her je'sty ought to Kaye-A:Tun i.!_d the Oiarge 15r6oilipirag ' y in th e ve ry outset of . their tii!,feilee; - ; his opiii64.. * as qu ite• different., aild - he s wcit".(l. - conteneri„4 - at the Learned Cctunsel,wr, , re noreorripiillablOO do this an -'timir:,•thart indiet-rno.its for; 6 ) rnmon.:4treii.ces, it w:tB su,ificFehq 41) hip opi tp.giv the Conspirtry in.chargeVflierally, or. N... edmuhsta.ntivelv, in the firt instt4fte, and' Ltil:ey might • afterwards .- bring . it.' home;,-,16 ihe Parties; lie: ivas -satisfied the the *;Learned: 1 Judges ) by their opinion of -yesterthry, did tot.;. , -7,pr