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AMERICAN' ,I.\.llEltS. f F,ons the Curn;wecial Arivertiser oua RELATIONS WITil DOCUMENTS ACC'.MPANYfNG Tl-12 LATE MESSAGE (sr THE. PRESIDENT TO C,NGHESS Extract of a 'Letter fro, Mr. CAMPBELT. to the Secretary of State, datctl St. Petersimig., 9.0111 October, (Ist November,) 18 9, containing ttetails of a couvursation With Count NES- SEL:I , )DE " Your Disnitch, No. 3, of June 3d, I bad the botioar to receive a few dap ago. " Alter some general conversation, Count Ncss-lrode enquired, (as I presumed he woul,l do, and wait,tl for him to introduce the subject,) if .1 Karl any cgrtelin accTlut of what Spain tvas or hail done, respeetnig the treaty lately conclud ed by her Ministcr at Waihin L !ton with our go wrninent. 1 had shortly bilore received from GillAtin a letter contit ming the account which bad alre•dy reached me through the newspapers, that tne King had refused to tatify the treaty until he should obtain some previous explanat ions, telai jug, as itiitrd by Mr Gallatin, to two points : Ise, the declaration Mr. Forsyth was instructed, on exchanging the ra , itications, to put n , that the grant to the Duke d'Alagon for kink in the ceded territory, which, though - intended to be, was not by the t(!rtn3 of the treaty made null, should be considered as null and, 2d, an engage- meat, recptired .hySpaiu on the prt of our Go vernment, not to recognize the independence of any of the Si)duish•Colouics ; and that, to de mand these explanations, a Minister litt.i6roi- v.;us to he sent to Washingion, thongh Mr. F,,:iyth had offered, as instructed, to give Soil eXpiallatiOrlS On any point connected with the trt-aty. I therefore iplormcd the Count, I had received authentic ii formation, though not from my government, that the King , had refused his assent to the treaty until he should obtain ex planations on eel lain potnts, for which purpose he prop -sell sending a Minister Extraordinary to W,, i bt ogion . I to ok this ot'ension to retnat ther, that, by official information from my go vernimen! , I tell myself' author tz , :d to sta , e, that Mr. ()..i s , th e Spanidi Minister, was fully empowered t o coot: h o l e th e treaty, and might have yielded more ihan lie did without exceeding his with°. r j• y; , 4 „, 1 t h at t h e p o i tt t s on which it WAS now pro posed to ask explanations had been folly disclos ed betore the treaty was signed, and their extent and meetniug explicitly understood by both parties; of which the Spanish Court was folly informed ; anti our ;flittkier there Was instructed to give amble explmititions, which lie (iticred to do, on tiny points t e lAti u g to the Treaty that might be sopposed to require them.-1 added, that the t .n . raiy was uudoobtedly, under all circum stances, hi,hly favourable to Spain, and that I was sa isfied a strong desire oo the part of my Goveroment to preserve peace, alone induc ed tloln to agree to its provisions ; that 1 pre stinuoi a had been informed respecting the let ms ot the Treaty, by Mt. Poletica, with whom, 1 un dersiood, you had -freely ColllilliitikPed on the subject. He said Mr. Poletica had advised him thst, front the explanations received from you respectiog the- Trea , y was by him considered fa, ,t-trable to Spain. I then referred to the grant to the Dike d'Alagon, briefly stated the nature of it, as made known to me, and observed, that shiodd the vieAs of the King, as now avowed, in relation to it, supposing the principal point on which explanation was required, be acquiesced in, the diet object- of entering into the Treaty would he thereby frustrated ;' that, by one of its proviions, the United States Government agreed to pay, on account of Spain, to :heir own citi zens, fur spoliations committed by her sub jects, or in her ports, contrary to Treaty, five m illions of dollars Ott of the proceeds of the sales of lauds in the ceded tertitory ; but should this grant, said to include a very large por tion ot those lands, be confirmed, the sum assigned for that purpose would fail, and, of cours.:, this provision of the Treaty could out be complied tvili„ He appeared to feel the full force of the re mark, giviog his assent to the conclusion drawn, and p,oceeded to observe, it was to be regretted that Spain did not understand her own interest better than she seemed to do ; that it was difli colt'to conceive, in her present situation, what could induce her to take the course she had done, refuse to ratify a Treaty favourable to let self, and concluded by her Minister vested with tuii powers for the porpnse. He then remarked on the great impoitanee of presersiog peace, as far as prac , icabie, among the civilized na tions of the tvurld, enquired what Spain could now do in regard to the business by sending a Minister to IV,,sliitigtoo, and what course our Government would likely to adopt on the oc casion. ‘• 1 replied that as to Spain; I CANT i form N) opi r,ion of zlie soothes_ by which she w a s governed. I did not perceive what she could do, unless she needed (row Ler objections to the 'runty ; end, as ! , 3 m y open Govemmenr, tliough I was satisfied of its strong desire to pre s erve peace, I could not pretend to stiy vllia coarse it might conceive it selt Caqtql 01t . to take Ott the present occasion, presumed tto (ieell , iVe aleaSOreS would be oriopren to change essentially the relations be tween the-two eooottie , ,, until Congress should convene &Ally 1 . 14 ptctrither ; and the course then pursued would probably depend upon what. Spain sboold in the 1111 . 4t5t1 tOlie " lle !het) iO4ioirel how swot I expected to heor from my Goveromeof aitrr it bad ()evil attv.isetl of the r . efu3al oil the part of Spain 'to ratify the Treaty; and, being told that I could not state the precise time, with any degree of certainty, but that it would undoubtedly be as soon as dispatches could reach this front Washington, he expressed, with some earnestness, his tvish that 1 $llOlllll make known to him, at as CA Ely a day as might be convenient, such information as 1 might receiae front' my Government on this sniject:' Extract of a Letter from Mr. FORSYTH to the Secretary of State, dated Madrid, Jan. 3, 1820. " A few days after the date of my last, Nonl ife' 10, 1 had a visit from the Count llolgaty, the Russian Cleirge d'Affdirs ; he cane to see ins in consequence of a conversatiou he had just bad with the Duke of San F e roaedo,respeeting my official letter of , thel3th of October, and the sub sequent correspondence in relation to it. He siatAl to me, that the - Doke regretted the necessi ty of sending back the letter, but that it was so harsh in its terms, he could not place it before the king; to this was added a great many assu rances of personal kindness and g-od will, not ne cessary to be repeated. I replied, that it was very mortifying to me, to he obliged to send the letter in the first instance, and not 1 ,, s so, to in sist on its being received ; that the Doke had put it out of my power to act otherwise than .1 had done; but that thefe was no difficohy in rtoid ing the unpleasant consequences likely to ensue. The Duke had nothing to do hot to give me see!' assurances in regard . to the pools, as wool,' ren der it superfluous for use to sey any thing about them. His answer was at once curious and dis satisfactoty. He said that the Duke could not give me any assufani•es, such was the predomi nating influeoceof the grantees with the king. He was sincerely disposed to settle all the dtfferences with the United States, end hoped, in a ,Fort time, to haee power to eff e ct it e had authorized Count Bufgary to say to the Russian Govern ment that Geotral Vives was going immediately to the United States, and would have conipetent power ; and that every thing would be :folic,- lily arranged. 1 made the Russian Charge fa - ns sensible that one part of this statement contradicted the other. General Vives resold not . receive powers competent to the purpose of ami cable .settlement, it the Secretary of State's dis patch was unahle, from the it floetice of the gran tees, to say any thing about rhe large donations. This was a. subject upon which the Americau Government would listen to no terms ; and friend ly atrangetmnts was out of the question, General Viees's vi-it to the United States useless, un le,,s the Spanish Government was prepared to abaudon their pretensions in favour of the gran- I:es. On the subject of the tnissiou of General Viers, 1 desired the Count to remind the Duke, that 1 knew nothing of it. The general and loose declarations msde months before, that the king would authorise some persons to ask expla oations at Washineton, was a!! that the Spanish Go vvrnmept had chosen to .communicate to me. '1 he Count asetned me of the personal anxiety of the Minister to arrange every thing satisfactorily between the two commies.; that his hopes were strong of being able to effect it ; that this business of the retorned note was epharraasing, and it I went away in conseqoence of its not being re ceived, that, what he believed to be the wish of the United States and of hi s Government, so d a l mo st all other powers, might be frustrated. Matteis were in a' bad state at present, and this would make theta worse. To this I answered, in ge. •neral terms, that matters must .become wor se , be fore they became better ; that the government of the United States had every disposition to be friendly with Spain, and had evinced it in a va riety of modes : for myself, 1 bad personally e v er y wi. , :fr to be the insirnment of promoting good will between the two nations. He said this Go vernment had a different Impression. I was very' sorry for it ; unfortimately the conduct of the Spiotish Government had compelled me to speak with a plainness and openness which was disagree able, as they were not accustomed to it. In the course of a long conversation, it occurred to me, that this dispoie about the note might be made useful, as I found the Spanish Government anxi ous to avoid receiving it, and, contrary to my ex pectation, desirous that I should remain here.- 1 believed it practicable to accelerate their move mews in our affeirs without yielding the point in dispute. With this belie, I stared to Count mtil gary, that, if the Duke of San Fernando would officially say to me, at once, that General Vives was going immediately to the United States, with ample authority to arrange the business of the Convention, and that it was the particular wish of his Majesty's Government that the letter of the 13th should be withheld, and that all matters relating to the Convention should be discussed in Washington, -notwitfstandiug 1 had positive in struction to remonstrate on the subject of the grants, and the ,conduct of Spain in relation to them, I would take the responsibility of retaiohie the ObnoXlo Us paper in my hands, until compelled by event% to deliver is, or until I should receive further advices from the President. " The Doke must underst.md, !hat this was done with a perfect understanding that I insisted upon the right of returning the paper, and should exer cise that right, whenever I deemed it necessary. The Count left me with the expectation of making this arrangement. A few days afterwards we had another interview he told tne that the Duke would write, to tell me of the appointment of General Vivcs. and of the intention of sending him immediately to V`,',hingtou that he conk have full powers, ; but that the Dl..ke thought he could not advett particularly to the remon strance, or the correspondence in relation to it, without commenting ;limn it, and this he desired to avoid. I answered, Ow I could not tell bow I Nhould act until 1 saw the. Duke's note. If I found in ;t a snfricient jtivitication for detaining the remonstrance, I woult: do EO, and would look at it, with a view to find that justification. The Duke knew from me, that was instructed to re monatre.te earnestly on the subject of the grants, and might judge, from my manner of perftmning duty, of the sentiments of the American Govern,- uncut. A week elapsed after this last converse- . tion, wi,hout my. heating from the Secretary of State. 1 called on the Russian Charge d'Affaires to say, that 1 was surprised at this delay, and. tbat I should certainly return the remonstrance, if I did not hear from the Duke in a lew days.-- Ele the Secretary of State, in consequence of this visit, who assured him that his personal in dkposition bad prevented hiin from sending me the intended note. On the 1811 i December, 1 re ceived the Dolie's note, a copy of which. is in closed, marked No. 1 ; you will see that it is not what I had reason to expect. It does not re quest a suspension of any cot respondence, or say that it is the wish of the Spanish Government that every thing should be left to the negociation of General Fires. Ile merely states, that, in his view, to continue discussion here would be super- Root's, and likely to embarrass the direct negoeia thin —Perhaps, considering their peculiar mode of doing business, I had no right to calculate upon any thing more. " Nevertheless, I am not at ail satisfied with it, and had 1 consulted my ow., inclinations only, I should immediately have sent back the note of the 18ili October with the translation. What has riccasioned me to delay and deliberate, and still keeps me uncertain how to act, is the apprehen sion that my judgment of what is proper might be involuniatily influenced by my own wishes. I need not car - weal from you, that my situation here is unpleasant, and that I find no sufficient conso lation for toy personal mortification in the con sciousness of being nsefol to the United States, feeling, as I do, that I dm almost, if not altoge ther, useless. The very awkward state of my :,rivate affairs in Georgia, it consequence of my onlooked for detention here, increaes my anZiety to leave Spain, What I tear, and I hope it is not an unworthy apprei.ension, is, that these circum stances way unconsciously induce she to believe, that the more energetic course is the best. What I .have at last resolved upon, is, to delay my an swer until I see the President's message. It will then be sent, before General Vives leaves Europe. He is still in Madrid, guts inn coach and colleras to Bayonne, a journey of 12 or 15 days ; thence to Paris, from Paris to England, and from Eng l-nd to the United State, His rapid joorney to Washinwon will proeably be fioished in May.---- My answer will be regulated by the advices I hope soon to receive trona Washington. I snail cer tainly not go fur her, in any event, ‘han to say, that I shall retain the letter of the IStn October for a short time, under the hopes that his Majesty will render it unnecessary to . InJlie any remon sti ance otl 'li subject of t- Tht• Duke of SAN Fr:fiNANDo pod Qui tincA to Mr. FORSYTH. %. [T6ANSLATI,NI To the Minist-rot t Unied Stares cos- cpience of the decision of the Kin 7 g, my mastei, and w cohiortni , y with the communications w hic! inv predecessor and I have that! the honour to !mike to yin, the moment has - at rivet! when the pet son of wh9tu his Majesty bad made choice is a butt tO proceed to America, for the plopose of asking of your Government the ex planations which his Majesty has jud;:ed to be in di3pensable, previous- to the ratification by hi, Majesty of the Treaty concluded and signed by Don Lois de OniS. The Plenipotetit 'Ail appointed is the Marechal' de Camp apil ancisco Dionisio Vive's; a distin guished person, hi whom the Kirig, my nis' , Jr, has the fullest Confidence, and to wl.ulp h hAs givert the most ample powers to se, tie ail the dif ficult,es he SUS earnestly wishes to .see removed, and succeeded by the establishment, on a solid h4sis, of that harmony between Spain and the United States to which their mutual interests so strongly invite them. As Don Francisco D. Vives will set out imme• diately on his journey, and proceed expedi tiously, I consider the measnr:e now communi cated to you, and which you will be pleased to make known to your Govclnnient, as dispens ing with any further discussion here of the points which form the above-uamed Gentle man's present mission, as a continuance of it would only tend to embarrass the course of the direct negociation about to be established.' 1 renew to you, Sir, the assurances of my dis tinguisl►ed respect, and pray GOD to preserve you many years ! The Duke of SAN FERNANI)O and QUIROGA. • Palace, 16th Dec. 1819. Extract of a Letter from Mr. GALLATIN to the Secretary of State, dated Paris, Jantiat y 22, 1820. " According to sonic accouw s the in!ewled Mi nister to the United States lett Madrid on the 9th. The British Ambassador here t,old rue that he was still there on the I t h." Extract of a Letter from Mr. EVF.RETT, Charge d'Affaires at the Hague, to the Secretary of State, dated Hague, Jan. 26, 1820. " l stated in a letter, upon the authority of the Spanish Charge d'Atrairs here, that Mr. ()iris's successor, General Vives, was at Paris, on his way ro America. It appears, however, that he has not yet left Madrid." TRANSLATION. Extract ref a Dispatch from Connt NESSELRODE, to Mr. Po- LETicA, Minister of H. I. M. the Emperor of Russia, iu the United States, dated the 27th Nov. (9th Dec.) 1819. " You have doubtless been able to obtain in formation how far the President's last instructions to Mr. Forsyth were positive. The Emperor will not now take it upon•hint to justify Spain, but he charges you to plead, with the Government at Washington, the cause of peace and concord.— That Government is too enlightened to take hasty . steps, and its rights appear to be too solid not to be weakened by a violent course of proceeding ; and on the other hand, suck is the character of the considerations wrtich command the ratifica tion, by Spain, of the arrangement relatiie to the Floridas, that it is to be hoped she will at length yield to the force of evidence. The United States will then have added to the reputation of an able, that of a moderate policy, and will gather, with secttritV, the fruits of their wisdom. His impe rial Alejesty, therefore, wishes that if there be yet time,.you.would engage the Government at Wash ington to give to the Spanish Ministry a proof of patience, which' i's circumstances might indeed seem to suggest. Nevertheless, the Emperor doeS not interpose in this discussion. He makes, above all, no pretension to exercise an influence in the councils of a foreign power. fie merely ex plesses a wish, dictated by his concern for the ge neral welfare, and woithy of the generous good faith wideh characterizes the Government of the United States." • • LAW INTELLIGENCE. COURT OF KING'S BENCH, Mar 4. No fewer than eighteen persons were sentenced to various periods of imprisonment for offence' against the revenue. INDECENT PUBLICATIONS. THE KING V. JOSEPH CLARK AND HENRY CLARK. The Dcfeudants, father and son, were brought up from Newgate, to receive the sentence of the Court, after having pleaded guilty to indictmentt found by the Grand Jury, charging Joseph Clarks the fw her, with publishing obscene libels . (books), and Henry Claik, a young man of twenty, with publishing indecent prints. Since the commis. , sion of the offence the defendants have conducted themselves with contrition, in the hope of a re ! .. mission of punishment. The prosecution was instituted by the Society for the Suppression of vice, and it appeared by 'he affidavits, that the Defendants were detected and brought to justice by one of the agents of the So ciety, named Branseetnbe• When the officers took them in custody, a hag was found full ot ob scene works too nauseous to name. Unoh the top of this mass of contamination they had laid _ts number of children's books, but it seemed that the obscenity was generally disseminated in the form of children's books and religions tracts. The defendants, after they were in custody, wrote to Lord Sidmouth, Mr. Wilberforce, &c offering to communicate the names of persons who had been low , in the habit of printing these works to supply , he %tenders, it did not appear that the communication was attended with any advantage to the defendants, as they were considered obj cis for punishment. Mr. Go HNEY, who moved for the judgment of the Court, said !he Society had dorp, much god by suppressing these publications. Tory brought the defendants hetore the Court in order to ,:Leek a destructive torrent of vice, which bad occasi.,ncd most extensive mischief The rblendalits nere persons without any settlA place ot busineqs, going about_ with these publications. They. ..c• knowledged that they had carried tptc ive trade in this vile way 12 years. There was nu:: , 1) , werav , i tio n in the offence. From the etrewsw..:.•,77e of th e father carryi , ,g on trade in conjunetinn ~s till his sou; ii,e one selling hooks, the inner pi, ti! These persons goi plates where yo , t+g people are educated, and by the infusion nt pro ,ts to the mind, too often occasioned total ruin. He left them its the hands, of th, Coutt, The detenthots allegeti, in thii, ! e t tion or I,ni.isb~ ment, their distress and in6bili'y to oil uin top.. port by ail other meArp. They eom ! , laitteti of the prtt,tvrs of these %Turks as being the nte,lo6 of a vt irk circulation. 'l' he CHIEF JUsTiCe observed, if there were t;ts vends ih,re 119 printeis. Mr. Justice BAYLEY, alter stating the magni. , hide of the off, (let Rod the baDetul fifer. , olch vile produckus oust have. on the morass of young pttsons, sentenced Joseph Clark (0 be imprisoned !,.$ months in the . How,e ot Correc tion, Cold Bathfields. Henry Ow k, the son, k, as ordered to be imprisoned nine months in the same gaol. .los;:ph Clark.—My Lord, you might as well pass sentence of dealt) upon us. 11r. Justice fivi'LEY.—Sir, you do not know upon how many persons you may have been tbs means of passing sentence of death. COURT OF EXCHEQUER, MAY 4. This morning, at half••past ten o'clock, 111 r; DENMAN, full dressed, made his appearance in the Court of Exchtgner. He was immediately ad dressed by Blron GRAHAIII, senior Barou, io the absence of the Chief—" Mr. Denman, the Queen having appointed you her Solicitor-General, come E.►rward, and take your place within the trtiOn which Mr. Denman advanced, bowed to the Court and the Bar, and then took his seat as directed, and immediately after lett the Court. 80/car:G.—A renewed and courageous combat took place at eight o'clock yesterday morning, on Hack field, common, on the tritest, eigt,t miles from Oakingbam, between Robertliodkin, a nasio gator, from Warminster, and George Gee, a ( , 6rh" m a n, for 100 guineas aside, in a square of 143 N?ct• To use the expression of our Cot respoLdent !hi* was a real bull dog combat. The ring was nuo,,,er• ()tidy attended, and tire seconds were, HHII Or Bodkin, and for Gee his brother the cricketter. In the Bth round Bodkin placed a hi , au tile temple, which won him the battle, as his ad' versary's second called out the welcome words " Enough." Nesbit, the person committed to Maidstone Gaol On the charge of murdering Mr. Parker a 9 his housekeeper, has given information againsx is n Artillerymen at Woolwich, one of whom has'beei l Aecored. - The 10th royal hussars, who have been st a tion' ed for nearly twelve months at Piershill batrAckl , marched on Monday morning front Edinburgh f 0 London. The jth dragoon guards are expected in a few days. BIR'T'HS. On Tuesday last, at Colchester, the Lady of Licutenan" Colonel the lion. W. H. Gardner, of a son. On Tuesday last, at his house in Old Burlingtou-streett il/e Lady of John Waite, Esq. of a son. MARRIED. On the 19th ult., the Rev. William Fraser, Chaplao to t ry Hon. East India Couipany, to Margaret, daughter ()rifle Robert Mackenzie, of Knockhain, Ross-shire, N.ll. OA Monday twit, Charles Crakanthorp, Esq., of the . ", e t - l e ,e r a l P o st- o ffic e , London, to J a n e , y oun gest d a ughter 01 o f hate Mr. Henry Churchill, of Doddington, in the c•au f Y Oxford. lED. e On the Ist inst. LOIIiS3, D 3d daughter of Thornasx 4 ow o, Bnxtrin, Esq.. M.P. Purin.-, the last month three other c ' dren hi the same family hare died. Ou the 19th ult., I. F. Wood, Esq., Vineyard-walk, Cle rrsery well, late of his Majesty's Customs. II e ll° On the3d inst., at his father's house, Craven-place, Town, Mr. Thomas Zachariah Sheen. .L...---- r est LONDON :• Printed by J. B. CARSTALRS, of No. Ormond -street, Queeu-square; and published ItY SCRIPPS, of. No. 7, South Niolton-street, at T0 1 , 40 -t, (;thee, No. 112, StranS; whys:: Aclvertisementi , Lrtl~ari s &e. (poit-pa.id) must be addressed. Ki 0~ OFFI GA TE ~\ of E l the C hatic, 4 r, and ti Vhen Not is is siv y 1 coL, tat. aural, Ober T 4ppoi OFFI tip tc Uajesi tapt a Lk 01 ti t , bons, *hi 1 041*4 ***be Dt ka , 4 7et 1014: ti Nd t