The Sun. — London, England, 1842-05-11 00:00:00

the present duty. With regard to live ani ma l s , or ' cows an d calves, ar e . fi n d • t o admit at present art absolute pr o hibi t i on . W e pro pose. them a t a rate o f d uty w hi ch, 1 admit, is ex tremely low., but which, I t rust , I s h a d b e a b le to show, although it . ,, of meat,. ill be such as t o prevent any i ncrease i n the price to col Apiaii,.—( will give the agricultural intere s t n o mason whatever Cheering and coun t er c h eer i ng ) —w hil e, i n mar.ttem wed' every class, they will share in the benefits to be del :troll from these r eductions. Now, in addition to tce prohibition on the importation of meat and live animals, which we propose to remove, we also propose to re ' octave the prohibitions en the importation of fish. With re ;lard to salmon, instead of a prohibition, we propose to admit it at le duty of 10s. a-cwt.—( A laugh.) In every case we re move prohibition.—( Cheers.) Soles, I believe, before were prohibited ; at all events, I know there have been many invi dious distinctions made that the importation of those species of ',... fish, which were for the exclusive consumption of the rich was Permitted, while the importation of those species of fish which were prineipally consumed by the poor was prohibited. But I now come to a description of fish in which I imagine the poor • have the greatest interest--I mean herrings. In that I pro rse/ro introduce a most important change in the duties. I stage , not if the Hon. Gentleman opposite approves of the al teration or rot—(Mr. Bannerman bowed)—l know not wile thee 1 ant to consider that as nn expression of as sent or dissent. It is a subject in which I know the Hon. Gen tleman and his constituents take a great interest.—( Hear. ) I will read to the House a communication I received on the sub ject:._" Norway," it states, " produces as many herrings as we ata. She goes to the Baltic and can sell her herrings at from 7 s. 6d. to Bs. a barrel. I presume Norway herrings may be ;imported into the north of Ireland at from 1 Is. to 12s. per barrel, while we cannot do it at less than from 20s. to 22e. I am a free trader in respect to ever)thing else."--( Laughter. ) This is the communication I have received, and it appears that the person who made it is a free trader in everything else ex cept herrings.—( Laughter. ) Now I do not share in the ap prehension of my correspondent, and I cannot help thinking that a repeal of that duty would very much benefit the working C lasses but I would wish to encourage the native fisheries so that we might be enabled to compete with foreigners.— ( Hear.) I do not see why we should not heat the Norwegians.—( Hear, hear.) Reduce the duty on timber.—( Hear, hear.) Enable the fisherman to build better boats, that they may not fear the ruder weather and the greater S torm, and you will enable him to compete with the Nor wegian. His labour is as great, and his skill is as great, but ,he wants the m eans; re d uce t h e d uty on t i m b er, and you give film a new stimulus to exertion; and when you do that, you will enable the Scotch fisherman to supply the'North of Ireland • With the herrings which they want. I now come to vegetables, Which chiefly enter into the consumption of the working claaies. The duty on miens, which - is 35., we propose to reduce t " 6 d.--( Hear.) Potatoes are at present subject to a duty of i.s 2s. pe r cwt., which almost amounts to a prohibition. 1 -luring last winter, many communications were made to me from th e N ort h o f E ngland and Scotland, on tlt, su bj„ t. Great alarm was felt at the price of potatoes, 'out the cause of the reduction of the price was, that they were unduly forced into the market. I should, therefor-,,- Propose to permit the i mportation of forei gn , potatoes, in respect t o th e sup pl y of this country. Ido not thins the apprehensions entertained on this subject are well sounded, but, considering the import hance of this article, I think a duty of two shillings is too igh to be- - maintained, and that a material redue ' lon ought to be made in the duty on potatoes. ,„ n° W:ortss from vegetables to rice. Rice may be made a most Zatcteal element in the subsistence of the people. With respect 1 , 1 rice, the duty, at the present moment is 1/. per quarter, t r. .',';: o wd ire propose to reduce it to 7s. per quarter. I now come ~ a vegetable, in respect to which some notice has been `ll4ken in this House, and upon which questions have been put Z„ " I to rue--I allude to hops. It appears in the present tariff that •t_,_ . -', ".re Is no alteration in the duty on hops. I stated that the ~ •eo nsideration of this question was encompassed with many dif -4 4e ulties on account of the Excise duties and other matters, sa d that such being the case, I wished an opportunity of corn 41„ussicating freely with parties who had a local knowledge on • 5 ' , object, and that I would suspend the decision of the Go . Vl:orient till I had had f u ll commun i cat i on on the subject. That full communication has now taken place, and the Go r'entutent had formed their decision as to the course they would o u n i lme ; and consid er i ng the were great vicissitude s in th e sea . as applicable to the production of hops, the great variation le t, ne supply, and the 1- .41 1 price they bear at some times when e ftPare ' v . 's Pared. with others , considering also the great importance of ;.. , t h ink article as mounted with the beverage of the people, I 'e.; (Hear ,Presere, rate of duty on hops is extravagantly high.— ta+.le s i,, ar ' near- ) - Although, 1 should be most unwilling in this, toalsb„ ) ,;; l 37 a .:' (),;cher interest rudely to di sarrange cap i ta l , or b ring 1- ' 4 )'et ' Go Ate that would r eac t upon ot h er parts of the country, 'u„41,,, o Ornment considering the peculiar nature of this arti 'nr es,'„„doik that some s ecur i ty ought to b e taken against those • . ~,h . , '"bitont prices taken in some years. Th e present rate of .- , l ir oo hopss is 81. 11 s . p er cwt., and after giving the subject . ri m " in sideration, we are of opinion, contrary, however to the ~. ePlassion of many persons, and contrary to the remonstrances p "le received, we feel it to be our duty to propose to Par enttla that the duty on hops shall be reduced from 8/. Ils. . 4 .2_ 41 ,. Ios. The effect of that will be. not to effect materially ;;,'" cultivation of hops, but to prevent an extravagant price. . 7L the estimate how great 'a reduction her Majesty's Government 7 4 vt - rned in duties on the articles of life, the House must look .• eistence.of set the \thole ; look at the articles mainly necessary to the sub the people, and can you deny that, having made this material reduction, we are justified in calling on the manufac turer to submit to a reduction in those duties which are sup -posed to constitute his protection. There' are very material errors made with regard to the comparative cost of living in this and in foreign Countries. If we institute a comparison, ' Particularly with respect t o t h e ' inhabitants of large towns on the Centinent,• it will be found that the expense of living •, is almost as great as in this country. Take the case of Brus ' eels, for instance.—( The tight Hon. Baronet here read a letter from the . British representative at Brussels, stating • I.hat :in makiek the comparison of the cost of *.• living in • this- country and on the Continent allowance • was not itequently enough made for the municipal ' ( lee , exae s ,eil on the Continent for provisions. Thu s thi t own Anus of rttssels had a ll but doubled the c h arge on art i c l es svitlai• he last tee: y ears , f rom 1830 to 1840. Tit, duties on I areiC leviable o n entering a town were frequently higher e , than -on passing the frontier. Now, supposing the answer I have given I n the subject of the reduction of the duty on . :articles of food is not entirely satisfactory —there is yet another conclusive ground, independently of the cost of these articles, on which I would vindicate the reduction. I say that ‘ *thes e hi g h d ut i es are a mere delusion ; they do nit constitute .I.l`.Ptotection to the h ome manufacturer; he rests entirely upon i . an imaginary support—the check is the smuggler.—( Hear, '.hear.) It is a mere delusion to tell the manufacturer !pat we retain a duty of thirty and forty per cent. '',.,. o ' , he is robbed of that protection in an illicit manner. . 1 1 ,7 4 . veSir. just let me read a letter which I hold in my hand; • from this is important in order to remove the uneasy feelings certainty from the minds of the manufacturers Let me read a letter 1 smuggler...--( ( Hear, and laughter.). The letter is dateci ni_ z not addresse me.—( Hear, and laughter.) It is ree ans, 4ee_., IE4I, and it comes from a man of, very large Oho has - derful discovery of steam, and the great facilities tha 1 it would afforu for bringing, from Aberdeen and other parts of Scotland, enormous quantities of food for the London thar ket-if he had also been told that the produce of Ireland should be increased to an enormous degree, I apprehend that the English grazier would have felt a panic twice as great as that which lately existed. He would have held it was utterly impossible for him to contend with the importlttiona from Ire land and Scotland. Now lam quite ready to admit that, with respect to Ireland and Scotland, being parts of tha United Kingdom, they are entitled to the import of rattle. Will it be denied that 10.000 head of cattle imported :corn Scotland and Ireland would have the same effect on the lime market as if they were brought from foreign countries!` I do not say that Ireland and Scotland aboald r k st tin the same foot ingas foreign countries, nor that foreign countries have the same right to claim the attethaion of their cattle on the same favoured terms as Ireland and Scotland, which are parts of the United Kingdom. All I say is, that the expected increase from Ire land and Scotland would produce the same effect on the English market, as if it proceeded from Ham= burg, or any other part of the Continent.-( Ileae, hear, ) If twenty years ago you had to!d an Engliali grazier to what an extent the importation of cattle from Ireland would in con sequence of the application of steam to navigation have been carried, would he not, I ask you, have considered that the price of cattle must be so reduced in consequence that he could stand no chance ? Now what has been the result? ilOtwith standing this enormously increased impertalioli, the price of cattle has increased, the price of meat has increased-- and increased in a manner deserving of the most serious consideration, and this notwithstanding the increased im portation from Ireland and Scotland. I will take the Navy estimates in the article of fresh meat. I find in 1835 that the contract price for fresh meat in the Navy estimates was 355. a cwt. In 1837 it was 425. a cwt., in 1838 it was 415., in 1839 it was 465., in 1840 it was 485., and in 1841 it was 495. a cwt. So that the price of fresh meat has increased from 359, a cart, in 1835 to 495. a cwt. in 1841, notwithstanding the increase on the importation of cattle dour Scotland and Ireland. The contract price for fresh meat supplied for the use of Green wich Hospital, was in 1835 40s, 4 cwt. I imagine they are supplied with meat of better quality there than they are in the Navy. The contract price of fresh meat supplied to Greenwich Hospital has risen from 40s. a cwt. in 1835, to 565. a cwt. In 184 L In 1835, in Leadenhall-market, the contract price of fresh meat for the supply of shipping was 365. a cwt. Itt 1841 It was 48s. This shows that notwithstanding the ittereesed importation of cattle slite porke o fp f r o provisions, l e o u from Scotland an d I re l an d, t h ere has been a great rise in the pr nss'e of he Nn t w 1 1: ‘, ! , a n v y s take Al i the th i a s rttoiocle goesof saltto swell p pork salt kt the e amount of the Nay'- of salt Por i,. estimates. In 1835 th e p r i ce o f th e t i erce was 4/. 14s. Bd. ; in 1841 it was 71. 35.. 3d.- ) The rise has been a gradual rise. In 1837 it was 4s. ; in 1838 it was Si. 19s. ; in 1839 it was 61 lls. ; in 1840 it was 6/. 15s. t and in 1841 the price of the tierce of salt pork for the use of the Navy was 71. 3s. 3d. from 4/. 14s. Bd., the price in 1835. Now take the instance of Greenwich Hos pital. The cost of meat for Greenwich Hospital was in 1841 4,420/. more than the cost of meat for the same establishment in 1835. The household expenses had, however, increased in 1841 above 1835 12,000/. Surely I hove said enough to show that, notwithstanding the great importation from Scotland and Ireland, there has been that continual progress in tin, price of meat, which makes it desirable to open a more free trade. Who can deny it? Does not the comparison of 1841 and 1835 show that something must be done.--( Hear, hear.) The po pulation is increasing more rapidly than the means of supply. But it is said there is a disorder among the cattle. And is not that conclusive also that importation on a freer scale ought to take place.--( Hear, hear.) There ought not to be abso• lute prohibition, but the means of obtaining a supply from other places. The duty we mean to propose is a duty of Id. per pound on the importation of fresh Meat and meat slightly salted, and of I/. on the importation of cattle. The chief ex ception is taken to the uniform rate of 1/. per head on cattle.- ( Hear, hear.) But in estimating the amount of danger to domestic produce from this, we must consider what is the area of Continental Europe with which we are to compete. With respect to corn, the principle was different, for that could be obtained from the most distant parts of the world, and it could be obtained from Odessa and New York as well as from I an cashire ; but are there not natural difficulties which diminish the chances:of competition in the article of meat?--( Hear, hear. ) Let me separate the case of lean cattle from fat.--( Great laughter.) And I think I can prove completely to the English grazier that the facility to the importer of lean cattle will confer nothing lint advantage on him.-( Hear, hear.) I can show him that there is no description of profit which has been reduced in so great a degree as the profit derived from the feeding of lean cattle-(Hear, hear)- which, indeed, has almost ceased to be a profit.--( Hear, hear.) I admit importation is carried on to a great extent from parts of Ireland arid Scotland, but I can show you by a re ference to documents such an increase in the price of lean cattle brought into this country, as makes the trade scarcely one of profit at all.-( Hear, hear.) Ido not think it will be denied that the competition of lean cattle from the Con tinent would be a great advantage. I have made inquiries on this point among some of the first graziers, and I find the profit on feeding cattle is reduced almost to nothing, and I do believe the feeding would cease but for the manure. By feeding lean cattle 1 am benefiting the agriculturists, who are employed to supply cattle for market. But supposing I placed any duty according to the weight of cattle, I should defeat the object of my lion. Friend, because the weightof lean cattle varies much. In respect to lean cattle, there would be difficulty in applying the duty according to the weight. Now let us take the case of the importation of fat cattle. From what country would your competition in this respect come ? No man would argue much danger of importation from Spain or Portugal. I don't suppose in the course of years a single ox, fat or lean, crosses the Bay of Biscay.-(A laugh.) Well, then, take France ; let us consider whether there would be any danger of competition there. Now, if you will make in, quiries into the case of France with respect to cattle, you will have ground fer apprehension that the supply is rapidly falling off. In respect to France, there is means of procuring infor mation with respect to the supply.of cattle, and I want to show you that there is no danger of the importation of cattle, fat or lean, from France. 1 can show that for the last four years France has been an importing and not an exporting country of cattle ; and ff we go through the whole of the last 12 or 15 years, the balance of imports is greatly increased. But, notwithstanding that France does import so largely, the supply of meat does not keep pace with the increase of population. Let us take the prices in France upon a comparison in 86 towns and departments. In 1822 the price of beef, on the average of those 86 markets, was 7id. per kilogramme. In 1839 the price had risen to 9di. per kilogramme ; and in the same period the price of mutton had risen from 7id. to ,id. In Paris the average price of all sorts of meat was, in 1822, no more than 8d ; but on the 10th of March 1841 the price had risen from 80. which was the price in 1822, to 14d. ; and this notwith standing the increased importation.-( Hear, hear.) In 1822 the price of oxen in Paris was '29 .6 francs, or about 121. p er head. In 1839 it wa s 322 f ranes , or about 16/. In 1841 it was 459 francs, or about 19/. 10s. Now if there is so great a danger from the foreign supply, how is it that prices have risen from 121. to 191. in the years from 1822 to 1839 ? Is it because the foreigners did not import oxen into France ? It is not. Foreign oxen have been imported into France ; but they have not prevented the in crease of prices, nor have they been sufficient to equal the de mand, so that there had been a decrease in the individual con sumption. There has been a great diminution in the consump tion of meat. From 1837 to 1840 it was represented by 48 cart. 12Ibs. I think I have shown conclusively that there is no danger to be apprehended from competition. Now with respect to Belgium. The Minister of Belgium saw the alarm which prevailed in this country, and he writes, that with respect to the low price at which meat will be brought into Great Bri tain, it cannot be, as has been stated, as low as 3d. per potted, because the price in the Belgian market is at this time twice that amount. Well, then, Holland, I apprehend, is not a country from which we can expect to derive any great consumption, for the price of cattle in that country will prevent any great s upply. S pa i n i s out of the question ; France, Belgium, and Holland offer no sup ply ; Prussia is an importing rather than an exporting coun try. The only danger I apprehend is from Holstein and Jut land. But the facilities of exportation from these places can not be so great as from Aberdeen; and, recollecting the numerous quantity of cattle brought from Ireland and Scot land, comparing Holstein and Jutland with Yorkshire, and many other parts of the country, I ask who ther there is any chance of a competition from those places, which will mate rially affect the interests of the English agriculturist? I say, at once, if you can make some reduction in the price of meat in the London market-above all, if you can provide a security against such an in crease in the price of meat, it must be a great convenience and advantage to all classes of the community in this country, to agriculturists as well as ethers.--( Hear.) But I say the extent of the area from which competition is to take place is such that no danger to the interests of agriculture can fairly be apprehended; that there is no danger, at least, of a reduction of the price to lid. per lb. The quality of the meat is far better. Now take the meat on the Continent at 4d. a pound, and compare it with the meat sold in the London market at 7id., or Bd., for you can form no safe inference of the quality by the difference in the price. Ido not despair of this-I do not despair of seeing you an exporting country. With the great improvement going on in science, and the application of those improvements to agriculture, 1 do nut despair of seeing you arrive at the necessity of exporting cattle.-( Hear.) Look at France. In the countries from which France imports her cattle, I am glad to see England men tioned among the number. Your own mutton is far superior tothe mutton on the Continent.-( A laugh.) Ido believe that at this moment, legs of mutton arc taken from Hull to Ham busgh for consumption there. Well, now, take the whole of the case above, and look at the gradual increase in the price of meat in this country. I want to establish some check upon this. Urn the whole, I have vindicated the course which her Ma jesty's Government has taken in removing the prohibition, and reducing the price of meat-at least,reducing the duty affecting the import of cattle. It is said-" Why not impose a duty in proportion to the value of the cattle ?" I say it is almost im possible to apprehend any such importation as will be inju rious to the country. Every foreign country imposes a duty on thesame principla upon which we lay it. In Prussia, the duty on foreign meat is not levied ad valorem. In Belgium the duty is 20 francs, applicable to all cattle. 1 should be sorry to see this great metropolis-seeing the immense addition to the imports from Ireland, derive no benefit. from the great improvement in s earn navigation. My object is to reduce the price of neat in London. therefore, I lay a duty of 1/. per head on cattle, because, I consider that from the limited area from which cattle would come in, laying on a duty ad valorem, would have the tffect of discouraging importation. In London, jou slaughler, and in London you consume 150,000 head of cattle, all slaughtered meat of the country. What country would ever supply that! Can you apprehend. that more than 10,060 head woult. come ? The total consumption of the country is from 1,300,090 to 1,500 000 head. Is there any chance, looking to the high srice of meat and the amount of consumption, of any material injury to the agriculturists? I think the argument entirely faits, The proof is quite decisive. I consider, there fore, acting rn the principle we have done with respect to the tariff-I can', think there is any conceivable ground upon which to increase the duty on foreign cattle or meat. The import of catt e from Ireland has greatly increased in the last few years, yet this has not affected the price, which has, not withstanding, tone on increasing. With their increasing popu lation, you nee! not fear the effect of this importation, while it will give a security against an exorbitant increase of price in times of scare{(,. With respect to horses, there is only a duty of 1/. per head in importation of horses of all sizes. Why had there nut, then, 'seen an importation of horses into this country? For several year. there has not been an importation of more than 400 per annum. In 1841 you imported 339 horses, while you exported 4,5,16. I shall rejoice to see the time when this will be the ca:e with respect to cattle, and from the improvements in agriculture, I do not despair of seeing it. These are the gro Inds, then, on which,l rest the propositions of her Majesty's Govtrnment, and I do hope that I have so far satisfied the mind sf my Right Hon. Friend that he may dis pense with the amendment of which he has given notice. If he moves that amendment, I shall feel it my duty to offer him a res , iectful but decided resistance, and I shall be curious to know by what argunents my Noble Friend will be able to sup port an increase in the duty on foreign cattle. I have felt it my duty to enter upon these statements from some undue advantage having been taken of the tariff by some pretended sympathisers with the farmers. At the same time, a full communication with all parties has confirmed the Government in the opinion it enter tains, that an advantage will result to all parties, including the agriculturists themselves, from the reductions I propose to make in the duties on' foreign meat and foreign cattle ; and, above all, from the removal of the complete prohibition the Government found existing when it und ertoo k t h e considera tion of the subject. I have now fulfilled the purpose for which ..,11. y • a wee;tly intercourse with this metropolis. He say s " it / . --- . glOVeg,' . ' 'ini a ble to forward you articles of lace, blonde, silk, the 1003de:elle-. y, &c., by the indirect channel—(Laughter)— ; at ibi s , t 'l be received in London the same day as they arrive dualet :r ti f,t, and to be delivered by a discreet and trusty indivi fo;(6"( Loud laughter. ) The letter proceeds to set • : hash t t he Per-centage difference between the prices at :.,,:: rn.aliatonfot clear he writer could furnish the goods, and the regular • 7-.°Pdon market price ' The Bight Hon. Baronet continued: that ' it is a positive advantage to the domestic ' actOrer that he should be aware of the extent of this i . competo' . liirli i ,„ I _,art, and that he should not be exposed to a secret, ''. IR) b r -g) 4nd unseen comtetition, against which be could take ~' beer,-s,"lr'etift ?--(Hear, hear. There is a'case which has -• • e • - erme,,,h. of myself and my col s • seagn es. , , e_ s under ,the consi d e r a tio n e ,eoliei t: •, s mean that of the straw-plait manufacturers. Their ' pre 4 -: ) , ,has been reported to us, and on account of those re ' : thitv 4 , l " ) ns we have been induced to make an increase in the ~.,she „ . " ' go from 55. to 7s. 6d. I hope that will enable re ,', ,t " s ,:... s t s f) better their condition. But at the same time ~. e4xt.. .e.ttititi.ontso of benefit them how delusive are their benetit from a high protecting duty: 'll Pr "ent, the duty upon the raw material in this country is the more than Id. per hundred• weight, whilst the duty upon Anythreanufaetured article is the extravagant one of 17s. .6d. In oh h e ase, as in others, there are great facilities for smuggling. •Th e ot -e i‘ case, there is a duty of 17s. 6d . . per hundred-weight ;in 1-4,, "er, there is a gain of 17s. NL per hundred-weight. k i le again, I say, is a complete and decisive proof of the little en t " t ege which is derived to the domestic manufacture of this ar-el4llry f rom duties which may i asily be evaded. Now these tr the geheral grounds upon which I vindicate the reduction th e le • duties on articles of foreign manufacture, upon atithdeahle groend, first of showing that we have made e s i a reduction in the cost of subsistence as justifies e td, l' -r ae ed ucing the duties upo n foreign mufactures ; ie man 'et° aell}', of sh ow i ng t h at t h e ex i st i ng rates of duties are I\ o Y cases so hi gh as to afford no protection whatsoever. dor:, Si ''' I wi s h to come to another point of the tariff. 1 Sa rnt B aY that by stating the amount of reduction I propose on .th' e articles of foreign produce, tending to diminish thereby bathe of of living in this• country, I have, as far as I have eote ro r. "lg.one, caused some alarm to the producers of those eee, 4 2mies in this country. I speak of those who are tone thi s , t! 1 the production of cattle and in the supply of mea in b eve,i n tr.Y. I want to address myself to that case, and I •etteh...elt More confident than I do now that . I shall be f esiti: ll to show that the removal of prohibitions in the case o lUe t -I .atid the reduction of the duty on the import of foreign f l ora 1 : s not only justifiable put is demanded by a full considera , th e ii ° ' the intr:rests o' this country.—( Hear, hear.) Now in .rivt,'lt'place it is quite an error to suppose that any class de - )ti tilea advantae from a high rate of living in this country h . -• lie .. first n._ the s Plate, there is no man—whatever the article whic ' ~"4 t or. " - C ,there is no man, if there be a general reduction in the ),,ette , - ;'` v ing, but must derive very great advantage from that ' Zs' r e .; 'eduction Looking to individual articles, parties may el44,',e.,(lttisom.e suffering and some loss, but they must set tkt ll'at."natt.h.general reduction in other articles. Let us look O Z i e : WPf the poor-rates for the last four years. The price of '''Y ' t , - ,,Lea of -b ' tenee has been high of late years o I s e 'eri t y s 'Y ithi a n n k s t i lt s at the posr-rates have fallen with pecu.iar , 4 %; e Pott the ' landed interest of the country. _During_ a l l l e ie s Bars lke : I find that the poor• rates in England and W Nt. -, 1837 to , •' - .1 0001. ;in 1838 (which was the Nei ' °l the -. • a ' -' ' (mat), to 5,186,00(1 ; in 'l6 to a,. - minimum are . to 044 - 0.6L1,000/. ; and in 1841, they amounted I ,„ % tatis s 'AV. lam quite aware that there has been in this Wilie,'a.general apprehension, and what is called a genet al • 4 " h t - : ) ° l l th e sb'•t f the importation of live cattle. It Jo.. t u jec .o 4 te.-Z, onstantly represented to me that it would be but 1 44 zoi' ai_ t• to that apprehension, and that it was in vain to 11, e ospi l l it i l ost it. Now, I venture . to differ altogether from ev... Psi- n • Ido not think that it would be consistent with ,t of ' interest of this hea r -7' a real friend to the agricultural t') 14 defer to their unjust apprehensions .—( Hear, ti lt ) ; I Me l - Nol o d.. . t, it that it would be perfectly wise, perfectly st i ii i etisi oti :r !* to sound arguments,. to defer to justifiable ap. 1 ,.' tttitl i * , but it would not be right to conciliate the agri tet-: to-i i t 't : rests by unwise concessions—it would not be . ek eke C,Y., I them to rest on the unstable foundation of pro ttel'eat. l' e '. -- -(llear ) No step I could take would guard to ,;si.'lers*:4' Panic that has arisen; but let me observe, tats tyre Panic of the apprehensions entertained was owing t's‘i- li,nrestances besides the contemplated changes in the tt. 6 4, th,toties will believe advertisements in Ihe newspapers, „es t - Illes s Loleat can be supplied from Hamburgh at three -I,`"atin re, "d, and if people will believe these advertisements, 441 0014 T them. I believe that a little inquiry would show ~0 1 111. -Sqf lil e t of Messrs. something, with a fine name in :er t,,` '4'l ll o offered to make the su iply, did not exist at Iree,L .4 tie, i ' Inear.) Parties will find . . t i hat the towns which Peo e r ?'°,- 2 the manufacturing districts of the couotry . at Indio`' Zr pound, are at present themselves paying six hare ir ) Vid ; and my belief is, that interested parties, pr taki, ins ert Pa.thy with the people of those districts, th e „ .. ...R, I E O ,those advertisements fur the purpose of 114 0 0, , 4 " L a .ritage a the tariff ; and I trust that le t ivel th e f uteh has taken place in bringing . it forward, has in- L I, 1,1, ormation of a more correct judgment on the sub 7 - iP tv e he ' a l ,: l i at t he cattle panic is of itself fast dying _away. I pe st Pertaceatints from recent fairs, particularly in t h e t i . ,_ th at ~, lof this country, which show that those who ex irnegwitisbeipinesoti p; 4l pp o i ot ,`;.e prices of cattle will Ore reduced, shall be much 'ateti'lear";:u. y I tharth u e of cattle, I am not e e t tt s ; r o ao t 2 state that the priee s of car°tetnldenacitiielonmnathheavperiebeeennf etle • '''Y hi,gh in this con lar k ! , r , (I loo. it will not be suchntr- ' and. AM a bu (14 turb the relations h between that, if you can effect Z, e out toestablish, by conclusive one as to affect the price of I!, ( i t Zettrit y, i f you can, against an extravagantPrnnf' e !teen landlord and tenant. I that p y r o j u ro o o u f g m ht ea t t o , English arise from a defective supply. Supposing any , fifteen years ago, • k a zier ha d b Id been to of the won- I rose, which was to state the 'general scope'of the commereril arrenreemeots prepottfl tett Her Majesty's deVernitienf, Ind iii tindie,ate those pi -thins of it which have been most exposed to tieeptions, from many gentlemen who were the most strenuous advocates of the principles of free trade ; for, with respect to the principles themselves, I apprehend there can be but little differente--(ChterS)—that is to see; with respect to the ad vantage of purchasing in the cheapest inerket.--(Cheers. ) I know the meaning of that cheer, but I do not Wish ndw to enter into discussion with respect to the article to which dq exception has . been made the eat - t . Cie df Strlar. I have slatted, ~till tid it;ilitilt to suite again, the reasons iitY make this article an exception from rules generally applicable; but I do nut wish to enter now into this discussion. Some objections have been made to this arrangement on account of its limited extent. It has been said that the question ought to have been dealt with with a more unsparing hand. I am, however, of a different opinion. I think we have gone far enough, and that if we had made a greater change with respect to the Corn-laws, it would enly hate aggieivated the distress under which the country la bouts. I think, considering all the contingent circumstances, we hare made as great a change as is justifiable. It is impos sible to deal with such great interests within. feeling their vast importance, and in doing set we tiettst take tare to do as little injury as liosChlO tb individual interests. I have acted on the prinelpies laid down by Mr. linskisson, with whom I acted in 18:25, in carrying out • Ifs commercial reforms; it is in the temper and spirit of his words that I sod my colleagues hive acted, an 4 have attempted to act. We have attempted to simplify the tariff, but with care and circumspection, 30 that as small an amount of individual suffering as possible shall be inflicted. I deeply regret that it should be necessary to create any, or even the apprehensions of it ; but if you admit that objections on that ground ought to weigh against the change, then you mint postpone it indefinitely.—( Heir, hear.) I sincerely hope that the result will be an ineraese of the command over the enjoy ments and comforts of life on the part of industry. We hive made this proposal in a time of considerable financial difficulty, setting the example to other countries not, to seek to repair their finances by restrictions on commerce and trade with foreign countries, and I regret that other enlightened commu nities have not done the same, but, at the same time, I am bound to say that I think it is for the interest of this country to buy cheap, even if other countries will not buy cheap too. Notwithstanding temporary obstructions, I believe that the example of England will finally prevail, and though other countries may entertain a delusive hope of repairing their finances by restrictive duties, yet ex perience would prove that they would not succeed; a loss of revenue would he the consequence. What was the consequence of restriction and prohibition in Spain, where they existed in full force ? Why, eternal conflicts on the frontier, and no revenue. In the United States of America, I am sorry to say, the same attempt has been made; and in the empire of Russia, where the attempt to fetter manufactures will bring its own punishment. The example of England, if she pursue her course in the right path, must tell on foreign countries; and if they re sort to a contrarylsolley, that ought not to di scourage you . Act on the Priisciples you 'believe to be sound, and though they may be for a time unprofitable to yourselves, yet they will tell to your advantage among those who are wise enough to follow them Mr. LABOUCHERE said it would be better to discuss the tariff when the details came before the 'House, but he thought this was a favourable opportunity for making some general observations. He had heard the principles just laid down with great pleasure. Those principles were, to a great degree, those of the late Government, as well as the measures; and he was sorry, at the time they were introduced, a party struggle should have deprived the country of the benefit of them. The Right lion. Baronet had occupied considerable time in meeting the objec tions that had been made to the effect of parts of the tariff. That sense of injustice was mainly founded on a belief that he had dealt with the great question of the Corn-laws in a very different manner to what he had adopted in dealing with minor interests. He could assure the Right Hon. Gentleman that it was the feeling of the late Government that a Corn-law, founded on a just commercial principle, was necessary for the foundation and corner-stone of every honest and effectual tariff reform.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Ho n . G ent l eman to ld t h e House of a gcotch correspondent of his, who told him that he was a very good free trader in everything except herrings. Be (Mr. Labouchere) was like that Scotch gentleman—he thought the Right .Hon. Gentleman a very good free trader in everything except the articles of corn and timber.—( Hear, hear.) There was another very impor tant exception, which, however, he did not wish to eater on now, as it would come more fully under theconsideration of the House at a future period, and that was the article of sugar. —(Hear, hear.) The main anti essential difference between the measures of the late Government and those of the present advisers of her Majesty was, that whereas the late Government thought it impossible to bring in any general measures of com• mercial reform, which must materially affect so many classes of the community, without dealing boldly and fairly with the question of the Corn-law, and so important an article in the consumption of this country as sugar, the Right Hon. Gen tleman had introduced his commercial reform, dealing, as he (Mr. Labouchere) thought in a very unsatisfactory manner, with corn, and wholly leaving out sugar. He could not, therefore, on these grounds, but retain his opinion that the measures of the late Government were more just, more satis facfory, and more effectual than the proposals of her Majesty's present advisers.--( Hear, hear.) He could assure the Right Hon. Gentleman that he saw a great deal most valuable in the tariff which he had laid before the House; he viewed with great pleasure the greater part of the alterations now proposed, and he was satisfied that the effect they would have on the com merce and manufactures of this country would be most bene ficial.—( Hear, hear.) He would not follow the Right lion. Gentleman through the whole of his statements; he quite agreed with him that the most favourable and useful parts of the measure were principally those which had incurred the greatest opposition throughout the country. He believed that what the Right Hon. Gentleman said about the importance of reducing the duties on woods, minerals, and oils, was per feeder true. A circumstance was stated by his Noble Friend on a late occasion which came within his (Mr. Labouchere's) own knowledge, and which was alone sufficient to show how important it was, with reference to the shipping interest, to reduce the duty on copper; it was this—a house in London had cons tracrest last year, at the same time, with the British Ad. miralty and the French Admiralty, to copper-bottom a quan tity of vessels, and the French Admiralty had their ships 15 per cent. under what they were supplied to the English at— nay, more than that, he believed that ships which used to come here to be coppered went now to Rotterdam and Hasnburgh, because they could be done so.much cheaper there than here. In the same way with regard to furniture woods, to oils, to fish, to potatoes, and to many other -articles to which the Right Hon. Gentleman had referred. The Right Hon. Gentleman had truly said, that in many of those cases in which parties complained of protection which had been taken from them, in point of feet the protection now served them nothing, because the smugglers stepped in and deprived them of all the benefit they might otherwise derive. He alluded particularly to the subject of lace, and that reminded him (Mr. La bouchere) of a document which he received when in the Board of Trade, and which, though a private communication, he had inserted in the records for the benefit of his successors , it was from the lace makers, praying him to reduce the duty on foreign lace ; the smuggling had become so notorious that the trade themselves were convinced tht t it was doing them more harm than a moderate duty would do, and that the only protection 'which they could have against their foreign rivals would be the imposition of a moderate duty. The night Hon. Gentleman had alluded—though he said he did not wish again to discuss the question—to; . the Corn-laws, as an instance of his having been successful In reducing the price of one great necessary of life ; he said, " look to the duty on foreign corn, and compare it with what it would have been had the old law been in force." He (Mr. Labouchere) ad mitted that the terminal duty was less than it would have been, but then he imagined that the was of th e s lidi ng sca l e stepped in, and that corn as effectually excluded now as it had been under the old law.—( Hear, hear.) No fore'gn corn came into the market now ; the truth was, that speculators all believed that prices would rise, and that the duty would fall still lower, and thus the nrw sliding scale was operating precisely in the same manner as the old scale operated, arid the foreign corn was held back, and none of it came into consumption under the present law.— ( Hear, hear.) He would not trouble the House with any further observations; he would only assure the Right Hon. Gentleman that he should enter into the discussion of this tariff with every wish to do it justice; he should bring forward no petty quibbles, no violent and unnecessary opposition. He was sure that they would be passing the time unnecessarily if they attempted to discuss whether an article should be is. more or meats or the, purpose of rehuttingihe statement that the ketilritent had beep, converted to' principles which it had hitherto opposed. He tilißts Irweyer, enter hi. decided pro teet against' the truth of tne allNtitloft; thet there had been a change of principle on the part of the GosWrnetant. Those who had watched the progress of events during the late war s 'and who remembered that his Right lion. Friend had supported the measures for the reform of the tariff, which were ihtradused by Mr, Ifuskissor,) would see that he could not be jtistly Charged with having abandoned his former opinions.— (ilettie ,fl6af. ) It tied been, stated that. the .principles upon which the proposed alteratioeis pfoce:.•ded were instorieally ass miated " with the late Administration. Were the lithe a fitting rine he would be prepared to show that there was no justice whatever in such a claim ; and that, in point of fact, taking the twenty-seven years which had elapsed since the war, there were no seven years which had been less fruitful in commercial legislation than the seven years of the late Admi nistration.—(llear. ) He said this merely in answer to the allegations on the other, side.—(Hear.) Ho thought that all they had to do was to proceed at once to the discussion of the measures before the 'House, and not to inquire who had the honour of firs' propounding ,the principles on which they were founded.—( Hear, heap, ) Mr. ROCHE said, as the representative of the largest agricultural constituency in Ireland, he could not but feel a deep interest in the ineanees propounded be the Government. He had always been a sincere and open advocate of the prin ciples of free trade, but on she Fresent occasion he had great difficulty in coming to a conclusion. . He believed, however, after full consideration, that the ultimate result of the Corn law would be to inflict serious injury in Ireland.—( Hear, hear. ) He could not understand why one principle had been applied ~to corn, and another to provisions. If a sliding scale were ne cessary to prevent corn from falling to ruinously low prices, surely it was equally necessary with respect to meat.. As he I thought, however, that many benefits would be conferred by the proposed alteration, he would not vote against it. Mr. G. PALMER said thit the measures which the late President of the Board of Trade had brought forward last year were similar to those which were now proposed by the Right Hon. Baronet when on the other (the Opposition) side of the of the House. He (Mr. Palmer) had opposed those measures, and he would therefore now feel himself bound in conscience to offer his opposition to the' measures proposed by the Right lion. Baronet. Had the Right Hon. Baronet stated last year what his opinions were, very different indeed would have been the division, and different would have been the result on the hustings. As for himself (Mr. Palmer), had he avowed himself the supporter of such measures, he would not have obtained 50 votes. He thought the agriculturists had great reason to be alarmed at the measures proposed by the Right Hon. Baronet. Those measures would not be attended with those bene• ficial results to other classes which were expected, and ulti mately the Right Hon. Baronet would be compelled to repeal the Corn-laws altogether. The same engine which had been brought forward in the case of the Reform Bill—the multitude —would be again brought into operation. Colonel SIBTHORP had,. listened with great attention to the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet—a speech marked by ingenuity and subtlety, but which he disliked for nothing so much as for the applause which it elicited from the. Hon. Member for Montrose.—(Niess Hume.) The Right lion. Baronet was charmed by Hon. Members on the ether side, and particularly by the lion. Member for Montrose— (Laughter)—but he ought to be more on his guard.— ( Laughter.) His motto ought to be " Timeo Damaos et done ferentes." He thought there were several things which ought to be in troduced into the tariff, and which were omitted, especially fat cattle and meat. He regretted that the H on . Baronet had yielded •se much, and further concessions would be required of him. On the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself into a Committee upon the Customs Acts, Lord HOWICK said that he would postpone the motion of which he had given notice.—(Hear, hear.) He begged leave to give notice that when it. was again proposed to go into Com mittee on the subject, he would propose it. The motion was then withdrawn. Major VIVIAN said that the Noble Lord having with drawn his motion, he begged leave " to move for any addi tional details which may have been supplied by Mr. Meek to. ' the Government, relative to the - importation of agricultural produce, salt provisions, &c., or any passage or passages which may have been suppressed." He found, on comparing the original Report with that laid on the table, that something very important to agricultural produce had been kept back. The observations of Mr. Meek, at the end of the Report, were well deserving the consideration of the agricultural Members. Mr. Meek there stated that " salt meat, imported from Ham. burgh, would afford a sufficient profit," and that he thought was well deserving the attention of lion. Members. Lord WORSLEY seconded the motion. He thought it was most important that this information should be laid on the table, and he hoped Government would not refuse it, as if they did, it would increase the panic which the measures already proposed had caused. The question having been put by the SPEAK E Mr. GLADSTONE rose. His great objection to the mo tion of the lion. Gentleman was, that there had been no sup 1-ession or omission of information. The only suppression that had taken place was the name of a party at Hamhurgh, but the information he gave had been laid before the House. He objected to the motion ; first, because it was in the power of the Government to suppress any information they received if they thought proper; and, secondly, that, in the present in stance, no information had been suppressed. Mr. M. ATT WOOD thought that all the information which the Government were in possession of ought to be. laid before the House. So far femia there having been an alarming increase in the price of butchers meat, there had been, with the eeeep...' tion of the last two years, a gradual decline in the price since 1818, He thought that the best course would be to leave the matter without interference, and the temporary inconvenience would cure itself. Sir R. PEEL was surprised that the Right Hen. Gentleman went hack to 1818, whereas lie (Sir R. Peel) had carried back his comparison of prices only to 1835, since which there had been a constant and alarming increase of the price of meat. —(Hear.) With respect to the present motion, there must be a very gross breach of privilege somewhere.—( Hear, hear. ) The Report of Mr. Meek ivas prepared for the confidential information of her Majesty's Ministers only, and they had given to the House all the substantial information which the Report communicated.—(Hear, hear.) Communications were re ceived from individuals who disclosed all they knew, but upon the condition that their names should not be diselosed.— ( llear, hear.) If such conditions were to be disregarded, there would be an end-le- all confidence;- -and he hoped the House would not compel the Government to be a party to such a gross violation of confidence. —( Hear, hear.) Mr. M. ATTWOOD explained. Lord J. RUSSELL said, that if the information asked for would cause inconvenience to the Government, or involve any breach of confidence, he would be the last person in the House to support the motion of the Hon. Gentleman who asked for it. But he thought that the Right Hon. Gentleman the Vice- President of the Board of Trade, in refusing the production of the return, had taken away all reason for refusing it, He did not attribute any blame to the Government, for no publishing the passages in question, but he thought that now, that they had been asked for the information, the best course they could pursue, would be at once to produce it. Mr. S. WORTLEY said that he could not but regret that, at a moment when the House was about to enter on the consi deration of the important 'subject of the tariff, Hon. Gentlemen should have thought it worth their while to waste the time of the House—( Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches)—upon a motion, -having for its object nothing but the production of Mpapers, which, they had bee n assured by two members of her ajesty's Government, would convey no useful information. He called upon the House to proceed at once to the considera• tion of the great question before them, and not 'to run after shadows, which it would be vain to pursue. Tor his part; be was satisfied with the explanation given in respect to the passages in question. Sir G. GREY felt bound to protest against the course pursued upon that and every other occasion by Hon. Gentlemen opposite of imputing a wilful obstruction to the measures of the Government —(lcer, hear) —to lion. Gentlemen on that (the Opposition) side of the House, whenever they thought, upon the eve of discussion of any measure which was admitted by the Government to be of the utmost. import- ance—whenever they thought it necessary to ask for informa tion which might enable them to come to a right decision.— ( Hear, hear.) He was ready to admit that there had been an unnecessary delay interposed upon that occasion, but he should say that the whole of the blame of the delay, if blame there was, rested with her Majesty's Government. They had, as it appeared to him, unnecessarily resisted the reasonable proposition of his Honourable and ' Gallant Friend. lie was disposed ro rely upon the statements of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite that the extracts were immaterial, and that no blame was imputable to the' Government, but he thought that the extracts should still he'produced for the in formation of lion'. Gentlemen who might think it desirable that they should be communicated to the House. Ile thought it established a dangerous precedent if information were re fused, not because its production would be• prejudicial to the public service, but because a member of the Government stated that he did not think it was material. He should say that if they were to estabiish such a doctrine it might be a proof of the omnipotence of the Government, but w uld at the same time time 'be a proof of a want of a due regard for the wishes of Members of that House.—( Cheers. ) Lord STANLEY said, that ,notwithstanding the charge made by the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman.who had just sat. down, against his Hon. Friend the Member for. the West Riding of Yorkshire, he could not but say, that it arpeared to him, in reference to the present subject, in the first place, that. there had been a waste of public time.---( Hear, hear.) In the next place, the flight lion. and (,earned Gentleman had ex- I Whited a good deal of unnecessary warmth—( Hear, hear) — in reflecting the imputations which lie supposed had been thr.iwn upon she Gentleman opposite. All that his (Lord Stanley's) lion. Friend had said was what he would himselt venture to repeat, that,. upon that particular motion, a good deal more had been said than th e mo ti en , it se lf requ i re d. —( Hear, hear.) The papers i n q u esti on were Very i m m ater i a l - and valueless. The omission in question was not attributed to .any belief on the part-of the Government that the publication of the passages would be inconvenient to the Government, but because they were Considered confidential and irrelevant. There were but two passages omitted ; one of those passages consisting of some half dozen or dozen lines containel a practical suggestion of Mr. Meek, relative to the conduct of his man department ; and the other omission was that of the name of a person who heti furnished information. The in formation was gisen, but the source was withheld. No mate rial point was omittei in the Report of Mr. Meek, and all the important informatidn he had given was c ommunicated to that. House. The Noble Lord (Lord John Russell) had said they were not to blame for having withheld the pa ssage i n the f i rst instance, given.that alth oug h th e information might bei I mm aterial and valueless, yet it would be Thethateef but Right Hon.it had Gentleman been asked' or, it ought to be said, establishing a dangerous precedent if the Government were to refuse to give it to the House. —(Cheers,) He (Lord Stanley) contended that it would he establishing a must dan gerous precedent to grant the papers. These communications but in a manner proving wet-3 of a confidential nature, and it was complained that the Government withheld them. It . could only have been by a committed by other parties, breach of confidence that any Member could have become pos sessed of those documents ; anti was it because the Hon. and Gallant Member' had become possessed of that information in a tantlibaalit.ienat( breach of ct o ot y liii : fi rlm end e ! n tea t bt olsevbetta•ev have o ibn: b s( e 'enlfc' called upon to produce these papers?—(Cheers,) He should oppose the motet:alias tending to establish a bad precedent.—( o, ce". ) Mr. SHIEL said that it might be a bad precedent for the Government to give such information , and he would tell them what was a worse precedent ; it was a worse precedent for the Government to produce to the House of Commons a document purporting to be perfect and complete — (Cheers)—a n d calling upon the house to legislate upon the information furnished by If that GovernmentPleiPi—( Loud cheers.) at least had that document, at the very-time that they kne w th at suc h de meant chtwaargseil:ietrlis well ererfolcuendetnz the" complete,_( been guilty of suppressio veri.—( Cheers and counter cheers.) The document purported to he perfect ; it purported to be the report of Mr. Meek ; the name of James Meek was attachedto passage had been sup. (Clieers)— an d th a t p i t r ; es s t ( h ,d e — r e t i l v e a r s e n N o v a m s e n n o t i n o o n te m , t a o de th t a h t a r t fr a e n c3 document was made the foundation upon which they were called upon to make a great change in the commercial system. if there had been any note made to the effect that certain pas-' sages had been omitted, the Government .would have been justified in refusing to produce the information required. As it was, their refusal was without justification. Sir. MUNTZ considered the simple fact of Minister after Minister getting up and declaring the documents to be' of no value, sufficient to justify him in considering the document to be of very great iroportan* Gentlemen opposite were Is. less. —( Hear, hear.) He was satisfied that a right con clusion was more likely to be arrived at by the Minister of the Crown consoling with those concerned in his own office, than by any discussi,ns in the House. He . should, therefore, give his general support to this tariff, though there were one o r two points on which he differed from the Right Hon. Baronet. He should, however, reserve his opposition to those few points in the tariff where he thought right had been violated, or great and flagrant injustice committed—such as sugar—till another time ; but he was sure it was quite unnecessary to discuss in detail 1,200 articles, which were enumerated in the tariff.— .. ( Hear, hear.) On the whole, he viewed the tariff with the greatest satisfaction, and he rejoiced to say, that though the late Govern ment were prevented, from bringin g into effect these (measures when they were a Government, that that which he anticipated had taken place, and that they had, and should hav e , th e gra tification, as independent Members of the House, of giving it their support when it should come under the consideration of the House.—( Hear. ) Mr. I)'ISRAELI did not think that the Hon. Gentleman opposite had succeeded in making out that claim to those pgin ciples of free trade, which of late years had been said to be the peculiar characteristic of the party to Which they belonged. It was qu to clear that in 1780 the Whigs were opposed to free trade, for they opposed the introduction of the new measure of Mr: Pitt into the 'House of Lords. In the House of Lords the Whigs then had a great preponderance of parliamentary talent, and there was not a single Member of that party who did not record, in the most energetic language, his reprobation of the new principle of commerce introduced by Mr. Pitt. One of the greatest ornaments to the party in the House of Lords, Bishop Watson, in the vigorouslanguage which distinguished him, delivered a speech in tl.c House of Lords against the measure of Air. Pitt, and concluded with a resolution to . the effect that the new measure would be dangerous to the State, and was only called for by a great emergency, which did not then ex ist. Several other bright ornaments of the Whig party enter • tained the same opinion; therefore they could not claim the merit of having originated these free trade principles, and yet Hon. Gentlemen opposite hailed with shouts the Right lion. Ba ronet's declaration. When the Right lion. Baronet came into office he merely came to support that line which had been adopted by his party. Mr. HUAIE could assure ,the Hon. Member who had ju=t sat down that he was not prepared to go back to the year 1760 to trace the progress of free trade principles. The Hon. Mem ber had stated that shouts of approbation came from that (Vie Opposition side of the House) when the Right lion. Baronet expressed his opinion that night. Ho (Mr. Hume) had no hesitation in saying that he for one expressed his opinion loudly ; and why, because he hailed the Right Hon. Baronet as a convert, and those around him as Converts, to free trade, of which he (Mr. Hume) had been a humble advocate. Was that no cause of triumph, no reason of rejoicing? He could say that nothing political had given him so much plea sure for 25 years. Twenty-five years ago he had told them that it was best to go to the cheapest market. He had then heard Gentlemen opposite say,that such opinions would destroy the country; and now he found the Cabinet—the Tory. Cabinet coming forward to advocate those principles. Free trade prin ciples were the order of the day. He was delighted to say so, and to find that so large a majority as that pos sessed by the Right Honourable Baronet was to be applied to a 'pod purpose. He thought the change pro posed by the Right Honourable Baronet would cause the country to rejoice. He bad heard with great satisfaction the statement of the Right Hon. Baronet. He thought it did him great credit, and he woul& not upbraid him with any thing that had passed, for he hoped time and circumstances had changed him. He (Mr., Hume) should be most anxious to give the Right Hon. Baronet all the support in his power'. Let him carry out those principles, and apply them to corn, and he would soon find the country relieved from difficulty. He only wished that the Right lion. Baronet had applied to corn the Fame principles as he had applied in other cases. He must reform the Corn-laws—the state of the country imperatively called for a change. With respect to the tariff, as he had be fore said, he could not 'A ithhold from it his approval. Mr. GLADSTONE said he did nut rise for the, purpose of applying epithets to lion. Gentlemen opposite ; but he would j ill di.eharge his duty by discussing who were the authors of the contemplated changes, or by entering into detailed argu- THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY MORNING,- MAY IL 1842. , more id -f- terct: -T- da e tn - tli - e - p - roduCtieri of documentsthesdocumentsthan I those on hie .(- Arr.Nlunt s's) side of the H ous e, and if th ey sup ported Government in their refusal . to produce Ahem, he trusted they would not hereafter' reproach that Mr: Mtisrz'S) side of the House with having led them into C setere. It would be their own fault if they suffered the Government to Iced them by the nose.—(Cheers and laugh -ter.) He judged of the importance of these documents more from the manner of the Right Hon. Gentleman the President of the. Board of Trade, than from the matter of his speech ; and, judging from the .Right Hon.' Gentleman's manner, he should consider that the papers contained important informa tion,—(Cheers. ) Mr. CHRISTOPHER did not believe th a t th e Govern ment had Suppressed any weint information, and there fore he could not vote for the motion. — . .(Clieers and laughter:.) He was as desirous of receivin g information as any Honour a bl e G en tl eman oppos i te could possibly be, and was dissatisfied with the information afforded. More particularly was he dissatisfied Stith the contradictory state ments of Mr. Meek ; and considering the perfect fairness and candour with which the Right Han. Gentlensan the President of the Board of Trait—(Cheers, 'laughter. and criesOf " Oh, olr!")--.hail made his statement; he felt bou n d to vo t e With h er Majesty's Government.--( Cheers and laughter. ) Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said this was not the first time that the Hon. Member for Lincolnshire had' come down to the House, intending to vote against the Government, but some singular circumstance had always happened— either a Minister 'had made a candid statement, or the conduct of the Opposition had been such as the Hon. Member could not approve, so that the Hon. Member had in variably ended by giving his vote to the Government.—(Cheers and laughter.) He (Mr. M. J. O'Connell) did not believe in the panic with regard to the tariff, but still he thought. in formation ought to be produced, in order to allay the panic. In these sorts of cases, honesty was the best policy; and, there fore, he.thought the papers ought to be published. If the Government had any objection to urge against their production, they might have conveyed an intimation to the Hon. and Gal lant 'Member immediately after he had placed his motion on the paper. They might have communicated to the Hon. and Gallant Member the substance of the information at all events. He had never professed the principle of obstruction—( Cheers) —and how long so ever he might remain in opposition, he never would; but he trusted that he should never be induced to withhold his support from a motion' like the present. He was surprised that the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colonies should complain of the warmth and temper exhibited by that (the Opposition) Side of the House. 'She Noble Lord was the last man in the world who ought to make such a complaint : " Quis tulerit Gracchos de sediti one querentes."—(Cheers.) Mr. LAMBTON thought the statement of the Govern ment.perfeetly' satisfactory, and considered it would be esta blishing a dangerous ' precedent to, consent to the motion. The information must have been obtained by a gross breach of confidence, and the House ought t o b e to ld h ow t h e Hon. Member obtained it ;• till they heard that they could not decide on opposing her Majesty's Ministers.--(Divide, divide. ) Lord SANDON wished to ask the Hon. Member for Bolton whether the papers were painted by the late Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs for the use• of the House or nut ?—(Dr. Bowring did not appear inclined to answer. ) As it was a very general practice for Hon. Members to put questions to one another, he hoped.thellon. Member would condescend to give an answer. • Mr. C. WOOD rose amid loud cries for Dr. Bowring, who, however, did not reply to the question, and Mr. Wood 'gave way to . . Mr. MILES, who said he was the last man to call on the Go vernment to bring forward any papers but such as they pleased,but they must consider what the public would think of the matter. If no Government interest was compromised, he trusted that the motion would be agreed to. Mr. C. WOOD must protest against the doctrine laid down by the Right Hon. , Gentleman, the Vice-President of the Board of Trade, in the answer he had given to the question. First, lie refused to give the information, beCause it was Of a confidential nature; but the second part of his answer was, that it was perfectly immaterial, and he then stated the substance of it, thus showing that the first part of his answer was Without foundation.--(Divide, divide. ) .Mr. SHAW begged the House to consider the delay which the question under the consideration of the House :had already experienced, and called upon Honourable 'Mem bers not to delay it longer by motions of this sort, more espe cially when he was sure that the Government had not withheld anything which was at all relevant or of the least importance. Major VIVIAN rose to explain, but the cries of " Divide" were so loud as to render his observations but imperfectly heard. He said that he had received the information on which he acted from some person not connected with the Govern. ment. He believed it had come into his possession from the negligence of a party connected with that department ; but he (Major Vivian) not being connected with any Of them, thought he was not committing any breach of confidence.—(The groans and cries of " Divide " had here risen to such a pitch as to com pel the Hon. Member to resume:his leaf.) Several other Hou. Members attempted to speak, but they were not allowed to proceed. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided—. For the motion Against it Majority The House went into Committee pro forma, the Chairman reported progress, and the House resumed. Lord JOHN RUSSELL wished to know if the tariff was brought forward on Friday, when the Income-tax Bill would be read a third time. Sir R. PEEL said, he proposed to take the third reading of the Income-tax • after Whitsuntide. He had proposed to take the tariff on the earliest day, and therefore he named Friday. He had also named Friday for the Income-tax, and he should, therefore, postpone it till after Whitsuntide. Supposing the essential points of the tariff to be agreed to, he thought' that the House would have no objection to name a day fur the third reading of the Income-tax Bill. Lora J. RUSSELL said he had no objection to the course the Right Hon. Gentleman proposed—viz., that they should make some progress in the tariff, and then proceed with the Income-tax. They certainly had not made much progress in the Committee that night. Ile(Lord J. Russell) was glad to find that the Right Hon. Gentleman had made progress that night, tts his 3tatements had been made upon abroad principle, for .the 'principle would apply equally to sugar and corn, and this was really agreat progress.--(A laugh.) _ IC — PEEL said if the Noble Lord wished it he woula name Monday week or Friday week ; he had no objection which. Loki JOHN RUSSELL thought it would be satisfactory to the country to know that a day was appointed. Sir R. PEEL then would say Friday week.—(Cries of " Monday.' ) `"`- -,~ POOR-LAWS. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary for the Home Department when the Poor-law Bill would he introduced? It was now only two months that the present Bill had to run, and he thought the public ought to have sufficient time given them to consider the subject. He understood the Right Hon. Baronet to say that he should introduce the Bill immediately after Easter. He hoped the Right lion. Baronet would bring it forward on Thursday or Friday, in order that time might be had for consi dering the subject,durtng the holidays. Sir J. GRAHAM said the Hon. Gentleman had misunder stood him before Easter. When the Hon. Member asked him (Sir J. Graham) when ho would bring forward the Poor-law Bill, he did not say that he should bring it forward immediately after Easter. What he did gay was, that he should bring it for ward after Easter, bat that he would inf orm th e H on . Member when. To-morrow (this day) Orders of the Day would have precedence of Notices of Motions; but if the House would allow him, he would move for leave to introduce the Bill at fire o'clock on that day. If the House would allow him, he should consider it a great indulgence. He would, therefore, postpone his notice. Lord J. RUSSELL suggested that the Right Hon. Gentle man should give notice of his intention. Sir J. GRAHAM then gave notice that he should move for leave to introduce the Bill at five o'clock this day. After a sh , ,rt conversation, in whi c h L or d CLEMENTS and Mr. FRENCH took part, some returns were agreed to. SUDBURY ELECTION. Mr. REDINGTON brought in the Sudburypisfranchise ment 11111, which was read a first, and ordered to be read a second time. The Howe adjourned at Half-past One o'Clock. [ADVERTISEMENT.] - ENSNARING YOUTHS FOR SOL DIERS, TO MURDER TIIEIR FELLOW,CItEA- T UR ES. TO LORD 1111.1„ ETC., ETC., ETC., . COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF THE ARMY, HORSE-GUARDS, LONDON. Your Lordship's immediate attention is requested t o th e case of the youth (named in the margin), " HENRY SMITH." aa orphan, hitherto protected by the un dersigned. The said H. Smith having been kidnapped on the third of Alay ( Tuesday evening last) most shamefully b} certain parties, " recruiting agents" of the 14th Light Drag , ons, now under orders for embarkation for " the East Indies," on,.SAT,URDA Y. next, frqm their depot at Slaidstone. That " Henry Smith" was not a free agent to serve, he bring under, a signed agreement as a servan t at my residence ; and that so far from the young person, in question, "being a free agent," he is not yet of age—was " at tested" (hy . a Police Magistrate without my knowledge), in my " Livery"—vvhilst in my service. I .beg .your Lordship will instantly direct the discharge of the said Henry Smith, that he may return to my holsehold, and fulfil his artiees of agreement ; at the same time hoping you Will make the subject in point, a cause for severe reprimand to all the parties so wickedly con cerned. I have the honour to be your Lordship's obedient aevaiJ-, SARAH CAROLINE. HALLETT, Dratnitie Writer. No. 7, Osnaburgh-terrace, Ilegent'a-park. 9th of Slay * 1842. • .4 . . . CAPTAIN MAIIIITAT'S • 1 - 2ABT NEU' , "IN6VPI,, " JOSEIII Rusnattoor:":--Although Captain 'lllarryat has been accused of not being sufficiently refined in some of Isis productions (a fault which, if it does occa•ionally occur, must be ascribed to an exuberant hum Our and love of mirth), certain it is that the tendency of ail his works is to uphold virtue and decry vice. They have always a hea'thy moral to he extracted from them, especially his later productions, of which " Joseph Rush brook" is the last. The misery of the elder Rushbrook, when in the enjoyment of every advantage in life, arising from his crime of one hasty moment—the cup of his existence turned to gall_ the honest mind of the hero—his invariable adherence to truth, and the reward which follows—the amiable character of his mother, of the object of his attachment, and various others who play their • part in this little drama, are all pourtrayed with such truth, that it is Impossible to mid the book without strong feelings of sympathy towards the parties, and to feel sorry when the finis announces to us that ; for a time, our enjoyment is at an end. - • ' DEAFNESS.—Soupci Magnifiers, and Invisible Operative Voice Conductors, to enable persons at an advanced age, and of old standing extreme dcafness, to join in general Conversation, and to catch the sound of a distant low speaker at a public assembly ; they are the size of a very small gold seven shilling piece, and when in the cavity of the ears, they are not in the least perceptible nor more uncomfortable than having a small piece of fine wool in its place ; and although they are so extremely smal: yet they enable those afflicted with ex. treme deafness to hear in every respect equal to those of most acute hearing.—From the late Henry Cowper, Esq., of Tewen Waters, Herts., to Messrs. S. and B. Salomons, 89, Albemarle street, Piccadilly, opposite the York Hotel, and 76, King William. street, Bank of England.—" Gentlemen, having been deaf for many years, I was induced from recommendation to try your Invisi. ble Voice Conductors, and I have great pleasure in telling you that they enable me to hear persons in company and at a place of wor ship most distinctly; and in consequence of the great advantage which I have derived, I have recommended many persons to you, and their report is similar to mine—most favourable. The Spec tacles and Iland.glass which you have sent me are very excellent, and suit my sight precisely, and surpass any thing of the kind I have ever tried ; the transparency of which is so brilliant, that. although I have passed my Stith year the 2'2d of May last , yet they enable me to read, &c., by candlelight with the greatest ease and comfort to myself.—Gentlemen, I return yon my best thanks, and remain yohr a wt obedient servant. 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HAYTER, Esq., M. A. S. L. Tickets to view may be had at G, Pall-mall. ",,,* The EXhibition'oill close on Saturday next, the 14th inst In a few days will be published, the FOURTH VOLUME o THE LIFE AND TIMES OF THE RIGHT HON. II EN RY GRATTAN, By his Son, HENRY GRATTAN, Esq., M.P. Henry Colhurn, Publisher, 13, Great Marlbbrough-street. NEW NOVEL, EDITED BY CAI 7-- )' IN CHAMIER. Now ready at all the Libraries, in 3 vols., pASSION AND P NC I P-1.; E. Edited by Capt. FREDERICK - CHAMIER. . This entertaining and instructive novel reads like a piece of private family history put on record for the behoof of di s t ant friends or relati ves . It reports the sayings and doings of its fictitious ebaracteri as carefully, and, to all practical effect, as accurately, as Miss Burney does those of her real ones, in her delightful • Diary,' "—Naval and Military Gazette. Henry Colburn, Publisher, 13, Great Marlborough-street. NOW READY, PART IL, Price One Shilling,- with Three Engravings Dick Kitcat, of THE. FORTUNES OF E_CTOR, 0' HALLORAN, By W. 11. MAXWELL, Esq. • - Author of- " Stories of Waterl o o," " Wild Sports of the West," Ste. Richard Bentley, New Burlington -street ; John Cumming, Ormond quay, Dublin Bell and Bradfute, Edinburgh ; Grapel, Liverpool ; and all Booksellers. • ROYAL SURREY THEATRE. Positively the Last Week of MazepPa, which must be withdrawn '• f r the Geand Whitsun Novelties. THIS EVENING. MAY 11, Will be presented Lord Byron's MAZEPP A ; OR, THE WILD HORSE OF THE DESERT, with Increased splendour, extensive auxiliary aid, and unapproachable effects. After which, in a more extensive and splendid Arena than ever before•witnessed. 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Th.., BAND will include some of the most eminent Performers, conducted by Mr. Godfrey. The Programm e of the PROMENADES MUSICALES will be selected from the noblest works of the great Masters. The ILLUMINATION of ST. PETER'S, the GI RA ND OL A, the FLA M.NG 111 ESSEN. GER; the METEOR of ST. PETER'S, and a Grand HYDRO PYRRHIC TABLEAU ! The Gardens are open Daily from Ten till Dusk. The Evening Fetes, with the Promenades Musicales, Illumination of St. Peter's, Girandola of St. Angelo, &c., will be given on Monday, Tuesday, acid Thursday, May 16 17, and 19. Admission One Shilling. The Private Box in the Teatro Tordinona may beengaged pre viously. titt _Sun, LONDON • WEDNESDAY MORNING MAY 11, 1842. The House of Commons W 23 chiefly occupied last night with the Tariff. Sir E. 'PEEL employed very nearly three hours in explaining its principles and de fending some of its details. We must confine ourselves to . noticing a few particulars. Sir ROBERT admitted at the beginning that the delay which had taken place since he first announced his projects to the House and the country, had been unavoidable, and of absolute necessity. He did not complain, as his scribes have done in his name, of im pediments thrown in his way by the Opposition ; he knew that such complaints were without foundation, and he truly ascribed the delay to the magnitude of the task, to the imperfection of his first rude scheme of a new tariff, to the propriety of consulting some of the great interests with which he was dealing, and to the neces sity of making alterations in • his own plan, in order to make it perfect. By the first few sen tences, the ungrateful Premier cleared away from the Whigs the mud and filth with which the 'Tory Journals have. bespattered them during the last month. The delay is Sir It. I'EEL's own fault, and whatever disappointment the people may have felt must be exclusively attributed to him. • The light Hon. Baronet took great pains to sooth and mollify theagriculturi:ts, and therefor. 1 e pointed cut at considerable length, the advantages they would derive from the reduction of the duty on clover seed from 2es to 10s, per cwt. (no less than 141,000 cwt. cf that seed having being imported last year) ; on gras., seed from 20s. to 5.1% per cwt. ; on onion seed from Is. 6d. per lb. to 20s. per cwt. ; and on lint seed and rape seed, by which they will get oil-cakC cheap, to Id. per quarter. But his chief eftlgt on that head, was reserved for the end of his speech, when he dwelt on the prodigious ad _ . vanttiges to the feeder of cattle in being nhle to obta lean cattle at a reduced price. lie asserted, to our asto nishment, that, notwithstanding the exorbitant price to %Odell cattle and meat have, risen in the market for the last few years,;the cattle-feeders had made no profit by fattening cattle i .and that they only continue to fatten them for the sake of the manure. At the same time the Right Hon. Baronet, following Mr. M'CcLLOCH, assured ; Ow :fee6o,of.,ep the jafiee would not bo'r.t all ixatepi or Naos. : He made this out di te'elabbriitebi, , py raOring to the priceof meat and ea t tle "did Holland, and came to the'con elaaion that. his' alteotion of duty would merely give a security against any great further increase in the price. We do not know whether the Right Hon. Baronet meant it or not, or whether he counts on the hopes of the town population refusing bel:ef to his statements, but he proved that the alts rations relative to cattle and meat, which have be(n so glowingly described, will be of little or no advantage to . the consumer. IVe must direct attention to that part of his speech, in wbich 'he proved, by a series of facts, that the price of cattle and of meat had been gradually ris ing throughout Europe, at least since 1833. We regard this as a very curious circumstance, and in. fer from it that the bulk of the population through out Europe have become greater consumers of meat, and that the supply has not kept pace with the demand. We infer from it also that all the fears—which prompt the statesman, as the'organ of the landlords, to commit gross injustice—that free: trade would cause a great reduction of the price of corn, are wholly groundless. A demand finr meat implies a high price of bread, and that demand would keep pace Ivith the most enlarged supply, and maintain the price of corn. • In fact, Sir R. PEEL'S statement demonstrates•that the people of all Europe are under-Xed,. and that it is a cruel injustice in all the Governments of Europe to put impediments in the way of their subjects obtaining as much food as possible: England, and Europe at large are not suf ficiently cultivated to supply the wants of a growing po pulation, and statesmen cannot reasonably .dread any great reduction in price. Sir R. PEEL had some crumbs of comfort for all classes. To the furniture makers he promised addi tional employment by lowering the duties on woods. To the shipbuilders he held out the great advantage of cheap timber, and cheap copper bolt3,:atil cheap copper sheathing. To the fishermen he promised cheaper and better boats. Manufacturers are to be delighted by a small reduction on the duty on sperm oil, about one-eighth of its price. . The bulk of the people are to have herrings cheap, and potatoes in abundance. To every class he threw some little piece of promised advantage as a bait, and nearly all classes seem to have been hooked. In favour of chettpass, to our delight, he exhautvd s his...vostlmjary of praise. He steutly maintained 0 14 ' prine'pie that we ought ,to 'tiny at the cheapest market. If other'nations would not inake.redUction in the* tariff,' they would suffer from it; if they .would not buy at the cheapest market, we ought ; and trust that they would soon repent of their wasteful obstinacy. We re joiced at hearing this, but we ask why this principle was not applied ,to the Corn-law, and Why the Tory jour nals, for the last two years, have, day after day, been filled with tirades against cheapness ? Sir R. PEEL was eloquent in its favour on behalf of the labourer, but his supporters in the Press have continually defended dear corn a 7, keeping up the rate of wages. Sir RottEer Smashed whole volumes of Tory argument by his recom mendations of cheapness, to be- produced by• lowering duties. The Right Hon. Baronet was also great about the smuggler, whom he styled " almost the natural cor recter of exorbitant duties." He excited Some merri ment in the House, by reading a:letter from a notorious smuggler, . offering to some house in town to supply it with various articles of blonde at about eight per cent. additional on the price. He also showed that he had been amongst the smugglers, by producing a parcel of straw for making hats, which pays a penny duty, inclosed within which was a roll of manufactured straw to be smuggled, which pay; a duty of 7s. Gd. So the Right Honourable Baronet gave a practical proof of the folly of those high duties he and the rest of our'states men have imposed and maintained on nearly all kinds of commodities. We heard the close of Sir ROBERT PEEL'S speech with compassion for his infirmity. He has just passed a Corn-law, of which one striking fea ture is, that it keeps out the flour and grain of the United States. He proposes an alteration .in the tariff, which leaves the duties on their tobacco and cotton untouched ; and which makes a concession to the cattle breeders and the growers of barley and oats in Europe, but by which the Americans cannot profit. He reduces the duty on Baltic timber, evidently to be inde pendent of the supply from America, much of which. though nominally Colo n i a l, comes from the Unitcd States. His new Corn-bill, and his tariff, therefore, per petuate the exclusion of the commodities of the United States from our markets ; and yet he discoursed largely and bravely on the United States increasing their custom dues to collect a revenue, and expatiated for a consider able time on the benefit the example of England would confer on mankind in general, and on America in particular. The Right Honourable Baronet is thus setting America the very worst example, and is knowingly, if not wilfulle-, destroying the trade of England with that free country. To be sure his scribes promise, though we place nu faith in them, a compensation in an extension of trade with the Magyar serfs of Prince ESTERRAZY. We stated yesterday, that we thought Sir ROBERT PEEL'S universal charity sermon, was an awful event. We felt convinced that he would not recommend such a silly measure, but in some fit of desperation, or from some alarming circumstances. We can now state that the Right Honourable Baronet is greatly alarmed at the reports which he has received from Lancashire. The working people have given the authorities to understand that they do not mean to lie down and die peaceably. Hence the alarm of Sir ROBERT PEEL, and hence his late-coming charity is the offspring of his fear. His alarm is an awful event. • THE Me DUTY AND THE KENTISH FARMERS.— The Kentish hop=growers may be satisfied, we think, with a duty of 4/. 10s., or 90s, per cwt. on hops, which Sir 11. Peel announced last night. This is, we believe, considerably above the average price, duty included, at which they sell their hops. If the foreigner, therefore, could grow and import hops for nothing, he could not undersell the Kentish hop-growers. The re duction of the duty will have the effect of discouraging unfounded hopes, and restrain the cultivation of hops within due limits. People will not expect to 'Wake for tunes, and so they will be prudent. STRAWBERRY HILL. The sale yesterday was exceedingly well attended, and pro duced the sum of 1,920/. The following are the principal :- Lot 10. 'A miniature portrait of Robert Carr, Earl of Somer. set, in his latter time the favourite of King James 1., 'in Water colours, by Hoskins, and highly finished-141.' 145. Garmead. Lot 11. A beautiful miniature of Richard Cromwell, the Protector, by Cooper ; a remarkably fine specimen of this artist's talent and power of expression-261. ss. Smttb, Bond-street. Lot 14. An exquisite miniature in water colours, by Isaac Oliver, of Sir Anthony Shirley, Ambassador from the Sophy of Persia to Ki ng J ames 1. ; t h e d ress i s half English ' and half l'ersian; richly and beautifully painted-171. 175. • Lot 17. A ditto, of Sir henelm Digby, by Peter Oliver, most exquisitely painted in water colours ; the dress and collar are beautiful specimensof this master's great art; in a fine gold case-16 , . 16s. Emanuel. Lot 22. The head of our Saviour, a truly splendid specimen, by Carlo Dolci, in a frame of silver-gilt, enriched with chased silver cherubim and seraphim, inscribed" Non =ea voluntis sed tua fiat"-341,121. Bevan. Lot 24. A splendid enamel, by Zineke, after Vanloo, of Ethelreda Harrison, the wife of Charles Viscount Townsend, in a curious frame of enamel, richly painted with fiowers-in re lief-441. 2s,' Browne. Lot 28.. Two extremely beautiful miniature portraits of the Duchess of Cleveland and Portsmouth, exquisitely finished, and very petite-21/. Lot 29. A splendid enamel miniature portrait, by. Zincke, of S.r Edward IValpole, father of Maria Dachess of Gloucester, in a fine gold ease-12/. I 2s. Baldwin. Lot 32. A fine enamel miniature, by Zincke. of Sir Robert Walpole, 1744; the portrait was taken two rars previDus to Sir Robert's death, and is considered a faithful likeness Of that great statesman ; it is in a fine gold frame, enriched with enamel oak leaves, in excellent taste-271. os. tIcl: Lot 38. A minature portrait of King James 1., by Isaac Oliver, in water colours, exquisiteiy painted, and most4elabo rately finished-18r. 18s. Colnaghi. Lot 39. A splendid enamel portrait of King Charles 1., by Petitot; a rare and beautiful specimen of this unrivalled artist, in a richly chased frame-65/. 2s. Forster. Lot 40. A ditto ditto of King Charles IL, by Petitot, in a • case as a locket, enamelled blue, a very fine specimen of art ; the locket is enamelled on gold, and by a foreign artist ; it was purchased by Horace Walpole of an old gentlewoman to whom the King presented it when he stood godfather to her in Hol land-781.153. Russell. Lot 41. A very rare and beautiful enamel minature of King James 11., when Duke of York, by Petitot, an equally fine specimen of this artist ; it was presented by the Duke to his mistress, Mrs. Godfrey, and purchased at the sale of the pre perty of Mrs. Dunch, her daughter-781. 15s. Forster. Lot 42. A miniature of Robert Cecil, Earl of Salisbury, by Isaac Oliver, in water colours-_l3l. 13s. Sarman. Lot 41. A ditto, by Petitot, of Mrs. Godfrey, the miste of James H. ' in a richly c ha se d f rame- 14/. 14 s . L uxmore. Let 46. -A ditto ditto of Frances, wife of Robert Devereux, Earl of Essex ; most beautifully painted-111. I Is. Garman. Lot 49. A very tine enamel miniature portrait of Admiral Churchill, the brother of John Duke of Marlborough, by Boit -13/ 13s. Rodd. Lot 51. A matchless enamel miniature of Cowley, the poet, by Zineke, from Sir Peter Lely's celebrated portrait.. Lot 52. A splendid enamel miniature, by Petitot, of Hen rietta Duchess of Orleans, in a fine gold frame, with a looking ?ass at its back; it is considered one of the finest specimens of this unrivalled miniature painter, and was long in the posses sion of Zincke, who kept it as a study, and was purchased f.om him by Mr. IValpole-1311. ss. Forster. Lot 53. A beautiful miniature on enamel, by Petitot, of Catherine Henriette D'Angennes, Comtesse D'Olonne, as Diana—a character very different from that given of her In Bussey's Histoire Amoureuse des Gaules; it is set in a beauti ful frame, enriched by flowers, enamelled in relief by Giles Legare de Chaumont, en Bassini, who was famous for his works of exquiiite beauty and rarity-1411. 15s. Colnaghi. Lot 55. A ditto ditto of Anne of Austria, Queen of Louis XII[ ,by ditto-441. 2. Smith. Lot 56. A ditto ditto of Mary of Austria, Queen of Louis XI V., by ditto-211. Zell. Lot 57. A ditto of Madame De Montespan, mistress of Louis XIV., by ditto-311. 10s. Foster. Lot 61. A ditto of Mrs. Middleton, a celebrated beauty in the reign of Charles IL, by ditto-571.155. Smith, Bond -street. Lot 65. A ditto ditto of Catherine of Aragon, Queen of Henry VIII., by Holbein, and a very fine sp ec i men of this master-5 01 . ss. Lot 71. A very fine miniature of Oliver'Cromwell, melted by Boit, after Cooper, a beatniful specimen-27j, 6a. B.ilde in. Lot 75: A miniature of Lucius Carey, the famous Lord Faulkland, by Hoskins, a very fine specimen -231. 2s. Smith. Lot 79. A beautiful ditto by Zineke, of James Brydges, first Duke cf Chandos, in this artist's best style—`24l. 2s. Rodd. Lot. SO. A very fine ditto of Thomas Howard, Duke of Nor folk, by Sir Antonio More, the unfortunate Nobleman who was beheaded in the time of Elizabeth for favouring the cause of Mary Queen of Scots-371. his. Lord Northwick. Lot 83 . A truly beautiful original portrait of Isaac Oliver, the celebrated artist, painted by himself; it is the chef dceurre of that incomparable miniature painter.-211. Sell. Lot 1%. An equally fine ditto of Waller, the poet, by Cooper —l9/. 19s. Lot 80. A splendid original miniature, by Clinks*, re presenting the story of Salmacia and flermaphrojitus -121. Is. 6d. Lot 90. A very fine enamel, a whole-length figure of Venus, copied by Zincke, from a celebrated picture at Houghton by Annibale Caracci, in a gold flame, enamelled blue-221. l's. Lot 91. A beautiful miniature portrait of Rembrandt, by Oed Lens,l724-16/. IGs. Lot. 92. A lovely miniature, a fall-length of the Lady Mary Wortley 11ontagu, in the character of a shepherdess, after Jarvis, by Oed Lens-171. 17s. Thorn. Lot. 94. Two valuable miniatures, in one frame, by Hol— bein, remarkably fine; one a portrait of King Louis Xll., of France, and the other of Sir John Gage, Knight-211. Rudd. Lot. 98. A remarkably line miniature . r ortrait of George Monks•, Duke of Albemarle, by Samuel Cooper-171. 17s. Lot. 6,9. An equally fine portrait of Thomas Wriothesley, Earl of Southampton, the Lo. 11 Treasurer, by Samuel Cooper 101. 10s. Russell. . DISCOUNTS IN SCOTLAND, TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. St a,—Whilst the Bank of England, as well as that of Le land, has reduced the rate of discount on bills of exchange to 4 per cent„ and the other bankers in London are freely dis counting good commercial paper, at three, it is not a little re markable that the banks in Scotland are still charging 5 per cent. on bills discounted with them. As I cannot account for this difference, perhaps some of your able correspondents could inform me why it is that the rate of discount, or value et money, is so much greater across the border than in hindon. If owin g to any existing monopoly, it is proper this sMuld he k n own to the public. A TRAVELLER. • ------ QUICK PASSAGE FROM EDINBURGH.—The General Steam Navigation Company's new steamship Princess Royal, that arrived at Brown's Wharf, Poplar, on Monday morning, made the passage from Granton Pier, Leith, in 39 hours, being the quickest passage from thence. Ihe General Steam Navigation Company's vessel, • the Columbine, from Rotterdam, arrived oflthe Custom Iftmes at 12 o'clock, op Monday night, with the Dutch mail. THE INDIA SUN , CONTAINING A MAP AND FULL ACCOUNT OF AFFGHANISTAN AND THE THEATRE OF WAR IN INDIA, WITH ALL THE LATEST NEWS FROM INDIA AND CHINA, IS NOW READY. .- -0 - ...4 .