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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the wool sack at five o'clock. Lord LYNDHURST begged to ask a question of the noble lord on the woolsack with respect to certain mea sures of law reform. The noble lord at the latter end of last session stated his intention of introducing a bill to alter the law of divorce, and a measure for the purpose of transferring from the Ecclesiastical Court to the Court of Chancery almost all jurisdiction relating to matri monial causes. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord had introduced a bill relating to this subject, but it was subsequently withdrawn in consequence of some objection raised to it by a right rev. prelate. The noble lord had also introduced the Testamentary Jurisdiction Bill, which had passed after some discussion, but when introduced into the other house it was given up. In the present session the Lord Chancellor suggested that the Testamentary Jurisdiction Bill should originate in the other house of Parliament. Notwithstanding, Parliament had met as early as February, the measure was not intro duced until close upon the month of May. Several other law measures promised had likewise been postponed until they had arrived at a period of the session when it was impossible to pass them. This was a state of things which he thought demanded explanation. When he found that such bills, introduced by his noble and 'learned friend, as the Registration of Deeds Bill, ob jected to in its passage through the House of Commons by the law officers, he was disposed to think that there was not a cordial co-operation between the noble and learned lord on the woolsack and the law officers in the other house. Not a single Government bill for the pur ' pose of reforming the laws of England had been carried this session. The LORD CHANCELLOR observed that when it was considered that four , fifths of the session were occupied with questions relating to the war, he thought that that fact was a very good reason why these measures of law reform alluded to had not been introduced. He denied, then, that there was a want of co-operation between himself and the law officers in the other house. He thought that his noble and learned friend (Lord Lyndhurst) was mis taken in supposing that the Testamentary Jurisdiction Bill was delayed this session so late as May. He believed it was introduced in March. It was of course always his wish to consult the law officers of the Crown in respect to all those measures of law reform he deemed it necessary to introduce, and to frame them in such a way as would meet with the gene ral concurrence. He pleaded not guilty to the charge of baying introduced no measures of importance that session. He felt that he had introduced a great many important bills, which he hoped would become law, in the course of the session. He could not help thinking that his noble and learned friend was induced to make those observations because it was his intention to quit the house for the rernaiader of the session. He was afraid they would have to sit for three or four weeks longer ; and if his noble and learned friend had only waited until the end of the ses sion, he would be much better able to express an opinion as to the quantity and quality of business that had been done. After a few words from several noble lords, the subjeci dropped. SLAVERY AND THE SLAVE TRADE. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petit:on from the British and Foreign Anti-Slavery Society, which com plained of the encouragement given to the slave nrade and slavery in general by various Governments in Ame rica, and by persons holding high offices under them. After referring to several instances, as Guiana, Cuba, and Carolina, the noble lord expressed a hope tha..; the noble lord the Secretary of State for Foreign a Taira would be able to give the house some hope that an ame lioration would be effected in this state of things. The Earl of CLARENDON said he had no d pub t that the warning of the noble lord would be attend KI to in Guiana. The present Captain-General of Cuba, had determined to act on the principles laid down by his predecessor, and was desirous of doing everything in his power for the suppression of the traffic and a beneficial alteration in the present system. The Merchant Shipping Act Amendment Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed. The Bills of Lading (No. 2) Bill was also read a second time and ordered to be committed. The report of amendments on the Religious Wo 'ship Bill was brought up and received. The Bills of Exchange and Promissory Notes Bill was read a third time and passed. The report of amendments to the Burial Bill was re ceived. The Lady Raglan and Lord Raglan's Annuities Bill was read a third time and pa , sed. The Criine and Outrage (Ireland) Continuance Bill passed through Committee. The Turnpike Acts Continuance Bill was read a se cond time. The West Indies Relief Loans Arrangement Bill was zeal a second time. SCOTCH SCHOOLMASTERS-THE LATE DLVI• SION IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS. The Duke of BUCCLEUCII wished to know wh. ether her Majesty's Government intended to bring in a con tinuance bill for the purpose of continuing for ano-l'ier year the present salaries of parish schoolmasters in r;cot land. Without such a bill those salaries must fall to a very low point indeed. The Duke of ARGYLL said the Government did_ not think it worth while to go on year after year pa , ;sing continuance bills. The question must soon be bro to some final settlement. The existing salaries w )/ald continue till Martinmas, and before the following t erm there would be a meeting of Parliament, when the c nat ter could be dealt with. With reference to the m..,ont division in their lordships' house on the Scotch Ec area tion Bill, it would be a matter of great regret if an idea got abroad that the matter had been treated by t heir lordships with any levity or want of consideration. It must be distinctly understood that no division was to ken upon the bill. Government proposed that the bill sh, be withdrawn, that proposal was opposed, and the d ivi sion was taken upon the quedtion that the word " 51, ww" stand part of the bill. The Earl of DERBY remarked that the refusal to in tro duce another continuance bill looked as if it was in tended to make use of the destitution of the Sc 30:,ch schoolmasters as a screw to force upon Parliament the adoption of the peculiar measures which the Go% ern ment advocated. It was quite clear that the lat,, divi sion did not accurately represent the views of their lord ships' house with regard to the merits of the bill. The truth was that the Government being aware that or t.i'y a very small minority would be in favour of the bill vere anxious that the numerical strength of the parties sh ,uld not be known. They, therefore, wished to withdra' e the measure, but when forced into a division by the 0 ppo sition, who wished to show the people of Scotlani:. by how large a majority in the House of Lords was pre pared to reject any measure as that proposed by the Go vernment, they took the somewhat unusual coun e of voting against the measure, instead of merely refra, ping from voting. The majority against the bill was greater, therefore, in appearance than it was in reality. Earl GRANVILLE said there was no doubt thal - ; the Government were aware there was a majority ag amst the bill, but it was hardly fair to state that as the sole reason by which they were influenced in the course /they took. They were also influenced by the strong ai 'peal made by the noble and learned lord (Lord Broug raw) and other friends of education for the withdrawal c f the bill for the present. After some remarks by the Earl of HADDING' CON and Lord POLWARTH, the matter dropped, and their lordships adjourned at eight o'clock. .:~ _. ROUSE OF COMMONS-(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. The Lords' amendments to the following bills were considered and agreed to :—Dearness Valley Rails ; Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway !Im provements and Branches); South Staffordshire Rail pay. Wyndham'a Divorce Bill was read a second tune. ASSIZES AND SESSIONS BILL. In reply to Mr. DEEDES, Sir G. GREY said he thought it would not be d 3sir able to proceed with the above bill this session, and. he moved, therefore, that the order for proceedin g with the bill should be discharged, and that it should be re•in tro duced next session. SCOTCH EDUCATION BILL. In reply to Mr. E. LOCKHART, The LORD ADVOCATE said it was not his intenidon to bring in any other bill this session on the subject of Education in Scotland, the bill which he had introduced baying been thrown out by the Lords yesterday even ing. THE HAMPTON COURT PALACE PICTUR:ES. Mr. G. LANGTON asked the Chief Commissioner.: of Public Works whether he was aware that one of the pictures at Hampton Court Palace had been recently missed from that collection, and that several others had been very seriously damaged ; and, if so, what steps had been taken to recover the missing picture and to pro tect.the g a ll er y f rom f urt h er i n j ury ? Sir W. MOLESWORTH said his attention had been called to the fact of mischief having been done to the pictures at Hampton Court, and that he had dir3c ted rewards to be offered for the detection of offenders in uture. (Hear, h ear. ) THE " ANDERSON" CLAIMS. Mr. MAGUIRE asked the First Lord of the Tres vary whether the claims of the late Mr. John An tler - son of Fermoy, whose services to the State had L een the subject of f requent rec ogn i t i on by members of t c • cessive Administrations, as well a s b y t h e genera l pu bli c, had been brought before him by his son and representa tive Sir James Anderson, and whether these claims band been taken into consideratioi? ? Lord PALMERSTON said he had within the last :ow days received an application from . Sir J. A n d erson on the subject. The claims in quest ion had been under f donsideration of previous Administrations, but, as he was unacquainted with their nature, he could not th en say what it would be deemed desirable to do with respect to them. Mr. MAGUIRE gave notice that he should brivig forward those claims early next session. DECIMAL COINAGE. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Government had determined to appoint a commission to inquire into the subject, and had determined that thie tribunal should be a competent one. The committoet would consist of three persons ; one would be the Comp troller of the Exchequer, the other Mr. Hubbard, bu t there was some difficulty at present about the third, r►s the gentleman whom the Government had thought it desirable to appoint had some difficulty in acting imme diately. Lord HAAS inquired whether it wee the intention of the Government to refer weights and measures to the commission ? The CHANCELLOR, Of the EXCHEQUER refined that it wa, not. BILLETTING OF THE: mium. Mr NVELLS asked the Under Secret .ry tor NV ar 7-hether, in consequenc • of the permanent embody In, of the militia, it was the intention of her. Majesty's Go vernment to make any alteration in the present system of billetting ? Mr. F. PEEL said it was not the intention of the Government to introduce any measure into the house ; but he might state that the embodiment of the militia had led to the formation of encampments, which had obviously practically remedied the question raised to a great extent. (Hear, hear.) INVALID OFFICERS—COMMISSIONS. Captain J. PERCY begged to ask the Secretary for War whether an officer in bad health was required, before he got leave to sell his commission, to go before a Medical Board, which Board must certify, before he is allowed to sell, to the following effect :—" That he does not labour under an impaired constitution, threatening earlier decease than a person of his age might expect in the ordinary course of nature." Mr. F. PEEL said the mode in which application was made by an officer for leave to sell his commission greatly depended on the particular circumstances of each case, and it was therefore impossible to answer a general question like the one just pat to him. He was not, however, aware that a formula of this kind was required. Generally speaking an officer was not allowed to dispose of his commission when his health was not such as to give rise to a fear that his life could not be prolonged. IMPROVEMENT IN THE PUBLIC PARKS. Mr. E WART wished to inquire of the Chief Commis sioner of Public Works whether it would not be possi ble (if not now, at some future time), to throw open to the public, as a portion of the park, the ground now inclosed for private use, and inclosing a considerable space of ground in the centre of Hyde-park, between the Guard-house and the Humane Society's Receiving-house near the Serpentine ; also, whether the Government were willing to submit to the gracious consideration of her Majesty the expediency of opening to the public the large park behind Hampton Court Palace, known as the Home Park, and now devoted exclusively to the use of the residents in the palace ; also, whether the Fountain of Diana in Bushy Park, founded by William the Third, was in process of restoration, as promised by the Government ; and whether, as agreed last year, a large additional number of seats were to be placed round all the larger trees in Kensington-gardens and Hyde park for the convenience of the public ? Sir W. MOLESWORTH, in reply tothefirst question, said that a portion of the park now enclosed was used as a wood garden, and could not be dispensed with ; the remainder being in the occupation of the Deputy-ranger. This could not be taken from that functionary at pre sent ; but when he ceased to hold office be (Sir W. Moleswortb) apprehended there would be no difficulty in transferring that portion to the public use. (H•ar, hear.) As to the second portion, it was not correct that the Home-park was exclusively used by the resi dents in Hampton Court Palace ; the fact I.eing that the re spectable residents in the neighbourhood were permitted to use it. There was, however, no intention on the part of the Government to recommend its being further thrown open. With respect to the Diana fountain it was in process of restoration, and he was informed would soon be completed. Lastly, a considerable sum of money had been expended in the purchase of seats for Kensington gardens ; and a number of seats, capable of accommo dating 400 persons, had lately been erected. NATIONAL GALLERIES AND MUSEUMS. Mr. EWART asked the First Lord of the Treasury whether the Government was willing to cause to be affixed to the works of art (paintings, statues, monu ments), and specimens in our different national collec tions—the National Gallery, Hampton Court Palace, the British Museum, and similar public institutions — short descriptive tablets or inscriptions, giving the sub ject of the work, the name and date of the artist, the school to v'hich he belongs, and such other brief histori cal or scientific information as may be instructive to the public ? Lord PALMERSTON said he was much obliged to his hon. friend for the suggestion, which was one well worthy of consideration, and as it might be complied with at no very great public expense would no doubt be carried out. (Hear, hear ) THE D'ANUBIAN PRINCIPALITIES. In reply to Mr. LAYARD, Lord . PALMERSTON said it was obviously very in convenient that the Government should he asked to state what precise conditions they should require in future negotiations. The detailed arrangements in re gard to the first and second points were settled condi tionally ; the condition being that the whole 'treaty should be satisfactorily arranged. That not being the case, the Government held themselves free to re-discuss any of the matters that were provisionally ,agreed to with respect to the Principali ties. What he understood as the fundamental principle of the first point was that Russia should not exercise that exclusive protection of the Principalities which she bad hitherto done. With regari to the commission to which the honourable member had referred, there was no commission sitting at Vienna for the purpose of discussing a Government for the Principalities. There was, however, a commission of a different kind sitting, consisting of English, Austrian, and Turkish represen tatives, who were empowered to receive representations coming from the inhabitants of the Principalities as to any grievances or complaints in respect to the occupying troops. He understood his noble friend (Lord Claren don) had received representations from some gent;emen who were not residents in the Principalities, and con sequently could not be held as authorities. (Hear.) VICE-ADMIRAL SIR CHARLES NAPIER AND THE ORDER OF THE BATH. Mr. LAYARD wished to ask the noble lord at the head of the Government why Sir Charles Napier had been excluded from the honour of the Order of the Bath which had been conferred upon so many others ? Lord PALMERSTON replied that the exclusion, as the boo, gentleman termed it, had caused great regret to the Government, but that exclusion was self-imposed by the gallant officer. Sir C. Napier was informed that his name had been represented to her Majesty for the honour of the Grand Cross of the Bath ; but for reasons of which the gallant officer must himself be the best judge he had declined to receive the honour. THE VIENNA CONFERENCE. In answer to a question from Mr. DISRAELI, Lord PALMERSTON stated that he should object to give to the house a copy of the whole instructions that had been given to the noble lord the member for the City of Londo❑ before he proceeded to Vienna. He had no objection, however, to give to the house those parts of the instructions which would have the effect of filling up the hiatus in the papers that were now before the house. NUISANCES REMOVAL (IRELAND) BILL. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL for IRELAND, in answer to a question from an hon. member, stated that it was his intention to proceed with the bill in the pre sent session, if it was not opposed, but if there was to be considerable opposition to the measure he should feel himself bound to postpone proceeding with the tnea sure to next session. On the question that the house at its rising should adjourn to Monday next, RETIRED OFFICERS. Colonel NORTH asked the Under-Secretary fcr War whether those officers who wished to take advantage of the Queen's late warrant for the retirement of officers upon full pay, and obtaining a step in iank, would be permitted to retain the reward for distinguished service which her Majesty had been graciously pleased to grant to them ? Mr. PEEL said that that would certainly be the case, and that officers who had lore distinguished service would be allowed to retire, and continue on full pay as long as they lived. After some observations from Sir DE LACY EVANS, the subject dropped. Mr. BRIGHT, referring to a transaction that had recently taken place on the coast of Africa, stated that some doubt had arisen with regard to certain slaves taken on hoard canoes by the authority of the British Crown, There was some question raised ab , iut compen sation, to the extent of about $1,000; the chief waq given half au hour to make his appearance, but as he did not do so the town was shelled and partly destroyed that day, and on the following day another engagement took place, in which 70 or 80 troops were killed or wounded, and about 400 of the enemy, as they were called. The question turned upon the violation of a treaty which he believed was not yet in force, as it had not received the sanction of Parliament. He wished to know whether the Government had received any information upon the subject, and whether they intended to institute a special inquiry into the case ? Sir C. WOOD said that no despatches had been re ceived at the Admiralty on the subject, and he had no reason to place any confidence in the report. The motion that the house on its rising should ad journ till Monday was then agreed to. METROPOLIS LOCAL MANAGEMENT BILL. On the motion for the third reading of this bill, Viscount EBRINGTON presented a petition from Clap ham against the qualification clause, and said he protested against being considered an opponent to local self-govern ment, or that he wished to throw obstacles in the way of the bill. The fact that the provisions of the measure were agreed to when generally there were not more than thirty or forty members present was the best proof that there was no decided hostility to the bill, which had been very much improved during its progress through the house. Having made these observations, he was willing that the bill be read a third time. Sir H. Vi T ILL6UGHBY doubted whether the right hon. gentleman had chosen the best machinery for carrying out his measure. He feared that the boards would be found too numerous, and that the owners of property, as distinguished from the ratepayers, were not sufficiently considered. He also thought that what was good for the metropolis would be good for all the towns and districts in the United Kingdom. (Hear, hear.) (Sir H. Willoughby) begged to call the at tention of the right hon. gentleman to the fact that the Metropolitan Board, to whom there was to be an appeal in cases where compensation was sought for by persons who now held offices, had the power to refuse all compensation whatever. Lord SEYMOUR said it was agreed in the committee that a clause should be introduced limiting the time after which no sewerage would be allowed to go into the river Thames Sir B. HALL said thBt what he understood with refe rence to this was —that there should be an appeal to the Metropolitan Board of Works, but before the appeal was brought the board should be consulted, and then the ap pellant might go before the board to have his case heard. What he (Sir B. Hall) objected to was that any reference should be made to the Treasury, because he thought this was a case in which the Government should not interfere in the slightest degree. In answer to the question of the noble lord, he begged to state that a time had been fixed THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENII 4 46-4 JULY 21. after which no drainage should go into the river Thames, and that time was five years after next December. (Hear.) I was than odd a third time. Mr. H; BARING h 1....1g1u up elausu for the purpse t'ie chairman of the Metropolitan Board fi•ora f-louse of C o Lord R. GROSVE VO a obj uttc i to indivi ,ual from the house, who might bo able to throw light upon difficult subjects, and hoped his hon. friend would not persist in urging the adoption of the clause. Mr. WILLIAMS thought it would be of great impor tance to have the chairman of the board in the house. Viscount EBRINGTON considered that the presence of the chairman in the house would lead to inconvenience by a great deal of time being taken up in asking him ques tions. Mr. PERCY said that when they took into considera tion the various duties the chairman of the board would have to perform, it must be apparent that he could not have time to attend to his duties as a member of that house. Sir B. HALL sincerely hoped that the house would not agree to the proposition that had been made by his hon. friend. Mr. HENLEY saw no reason for excluding the chair man of the board when the Lord Mayor of London was allowed to have a seat in the house. Mr. BARING, seeing the feeling of the house was against him, begged to withdraw his clause. On the motion of Sir B. HALL four new clauses were adopted and added to the bill in the following order ; the first was introduced after clause 83, the second after clause 128, the third after clause 230, and the fourth after clause 235. • A motion of Viscount EBRINGTON for the omission of clause 6 was opposed by Sir B. HALL, and negatived. Viscount EBRINGTON proposed an alteration in clause 7, for the purpose of removing a ground of objection respecting which he had received communications from several persons of property. It was proposed by the clause that the existing vestry, elected for a totally different purpose, and under a perfectly different system of voting, should continue for two years practi cally to have the management of the affairs of the parishes in their hands. Some of the wealthiest districts were at present totally unrepresented, and yet it was pre posed to put the repairs of hundreds of miles of streets, and the drainage of whole districts, under the control of this body. In conclusion he moved the omission of certain words from the clause, and the insertion of others to get rid of the objectionable part of it. Sir B. HALL said the effect of the noble lord's amend ment would be to require the four parishes of the metro polis under the operation of Hobhouse's Act should go again to an election of vestrymen immediately aftpr the passing of the act, though the vestrymen elected in May last were chosen under the understanding that they would have to carry into effect the provisions of a similar bill. He had reason to believe, from the constant communication he had had with the inhabitants of these parishes that objections to the clause were entertained only in individual cases, and that they were framed iu accordance with the sentiments generally prevailing. Mr. W. WILLIAMS said the noble lord had taken up ground on this bill totally at variance with the opinions and feelings of his constituents. After some further conversation the amendment was negatived. A number of verbal amendments were made in different clauses, and the bill passed. TURKISH LOAN. - The house then went into committee of the whole house; Mr. Fitzroy in the chair. Viscount PALMERSTON rose to move the following re solution :—" That it is the opinion of this committee, that her Majesty be authorised to guarantee the payment of the interest on the loan of five millions sterling, to be contracted • for by his Imperial Majesty the Sultan, in pursuance of the Convention signed at London on the 27th day of June, 1855, between her Majesty, his Majesty the Emperor of the French, and his Imperial Majesty the Sultan, andthat provision be made out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom, or the growing produce thereof, for the issue of such sums of money from time to time as may be required to pay any interest which may at any time be required to fulfil the guarantee of her Majesty in respect of such interest, con formably to the teuour of her Majesty's engagement, as spe cified in the said Convention, together with the attending charges of management thereon." The noble viscount said—The convention on which this resolution is founded was entered into by the two allied Governments with Tur key in accordance with and in fulfilment of those common views which have actuated the two Governments and the people of the two countries with respect to the war in which we are now engaged. That war was undertaken for the defence, present and future, of Turkey, and it was the opinion of all those who have concurred in the justice and policy of the war that it ought to be prosecuted with all the vigour and energy which the resources of the several parties admit of being employed. No doubt great efforts have been made, and will continue to be made, by the Governments of England and France, and for that purpose large armies have been sent, and great fleets have been fitted out, and stationed in the two seas, the Euxine and the Baltic. But it is manifest that the exertions of the two countries could not be attended with those results which we are entitled to aim at, and which are essential to the accomplishment of the objects for which the war is undertaken, unless the eflbrts of those two countries, comparatively distant as they are, cad be efficiently seconded by the efforts of the country itself most nearly and deeply interested in the contest. Every body is aware of what I may call the noble struggle which Turkey has made in this war, the great and successful efforts of her army during the greater part of a twelve mouth in defending the northern frontier of her territory. The success and magnitude of those efforts exceeded, I be lieve, the expectation of almost all those persons who had turned their attention before to the resources of Turkey. There were few persons who believed that there was amongst the Turkish nation that feeling of enthusiastic devotion to the cause of thoir country which had been ex hibited by the Turks in this war, or that there was in the Turkish army that power of combination and resistance which was manifested by the army under the command of Omer Pasha on the Danube. There were few persons who believed that the Turkish empire had financially or mate rially those ample resources for war which had been re quired and furui shed hitherto in the course of the contest. It had been foretold that her resources must inevitably prove deficient in the ability to sustain a protracted contest, and especially that her finances might fail to supply the de mand of the troops upon them. They, however, have made great exertions hitherto ; and, to a great extent, the troops have been supplied out of the ordinary revenues of Turkey. But it is no disparagement to the Turkish empire to say that her ordinary resources are not equal to the great and impor tant struggle in which she is engaged, because that happens in all countries engaged in war. It happens here, it happens in France, and, from the information we receive, we believe that in Russia the difference between the ordinary revenue and the war expenditure is greater than even in England and France. We have been informed, and I believe on good authority, that whereas the ordinary revenue of Russia amounts to about 30,000,000/. sterling, hat the expenses of the war have certainly equalled, if they have not surpassed, double that amount. The ordinary revenues of Turkey amount to about ten millions sterling. In the course of the last year they were obliged to resort to a loan to increase their available means. A. loan was negotiated, nominally intended to be five millions, but of which I believe be tween two and three millions have been realised —a sum not sufficient for the wants of the Turkish Government And they have put it to the English and French Govern ments that unless additional means are found to defray the expenses of the current military and naval services of Tur key they would come to a stand, and that it would be im- Ipossible for Turkey out of her ordinary revenue to find the means to defray the necessary and indispensable expenses of the war. The subject has been long and seriously con sidered by the English and Fiench Governments. We felt that, while making great exertions in favour of Turkey, if we allowed the very body we wished to sup port to fall to pieces for want of internal resources, we should be defeating the object we had in view, and ren dering fruitless all the great efforts we were making in their support ; that, unless the Turkish Government were supplied with the means of supporting their own army, it would be in vain for England and France to send an army to defend their territory. Then came the question. How was that additional supply to be given ? There were two different ways in which that assistance might be afforded. The two Governments might have had recourse to that system which this country resorted to in the last war, by furnishing a subsidy to the power whom we intended to assist. That, of course, was not considered expedient either by the Fiench Government or by the English. There are many objections to that course, both in regard to the party who is to furnish the subsidy and to the real interests of the party to whom that subsidy w as to be granted. If you wish that a power should have real vita lity, you must teach that power to rely as far as possible on its own resources, and if temporary assistance is to be required it should be given as much as possible on the means and responsibility of the party who is to receive that extraordinary aid. We therefore thought it expedient to give a subsidy to Turkey. We thought the best way in which we could aid Turkey was to give her the assistance of the credit of France and England by guaranteeing a loan, the interest and sinkingfund of which should be paid out of the revenue of Turkey herself. Then came the question whether, taking the amount which the Turkish Govern ment thought it desirable to raise at five millions, the two Governments should each guarantee half that sum, or whether the two Governments should jointly guarantee the whole amount, taking an engagement as between themselves practically to take their share half and half of the liability, supposing that to arise. Undoubtedly the former method is that which the British Government first thought of, and perhaps it is that most in accordance with the habits and views of this country, and more in confor mity with the precedent of former cases of the same kind. But the French Government laid great stress on itspreference of the latter method—namely, that which has been adopted; and we thought, under the circumstances of the case, and considering the right of France to have an opinion on the matter, that as the arrangement would come to the same result in the one case as in the other, we were bound so far to defer to the wish of the French Government as to adopt the system of a joint guarantee. The question is— What is the probability that Turkey, out of her own resources, will be able to pay in future the amount which will become due as interest on the loan and on account of the sinking fund ? And I think there is every reasonable expectation that Turkey will have ample means to make good that en g igen:lent, without throwing any real and practical burthen on the finances (f her two allies. The resources of Tui key are infinitely greater than have been yet developed. She has resources of commerce which are annually iucreasiug, and under happier circumstances, no doubt, will be very materially and extensively developed. The Turkish terri tories contain mines of every kind—mines of metal and coal that only require to be worked to produce ample re sources to the Government of that country, and it is to be hoped that other improvements will take place that will tend to develops the natural resources of the country. Un fortunately it has been the case in Turkey that, whenever its Government wished to make any material improvement in the internal arrangements calculated to give additional strength to the institutions of the country, or add to its resources financial or defensive, that the influence of Rus sian agency has interposed, and, by means which were al ways at her command, have either totally paralysed the in tended action, or so crippled it as to prevent its producing the result which might otherwise have been expected. It is to be hoped that these influences will hereafter have less power than they have heretofore exercised, and therefore we hope that the engagements we ask the house to ratify , will afford the Turkish Government the means of co-ope rating with the allies and of carrying on effectually the contest in which we are ong.ged, and that, on the other hand, there is no good reason to fear that in the end that engagement will be productive of any financial burthen to this country. The immediate security given is the avail able surplus of the tribute from Egypt. That, after provid ing for the interest and the sinking fund on account of the loan of last year, will amount to 65,000/. a-year, for the pay ment of interest and the creation of a sinking fund for this loan. Beyond that you have as security the entire revenue of the Turkish empire, and arrangements will be made to secure certain parts of that revenue, and to provide the means, from time to time, of meeting the interest and the demands of the sinking fund. It is the interest of the two Govern- ments to make arrangements with the Turkish Govern ment, to which we anticipate noobstacleatConstmitinople, to provido that t,rra,ug,o)oiti,s ho ramie which shall yecure that the money so raised by loan for military 'For vicc is Ttil.key shut be applied to that military 591*Wieti, that while ergaTreents are catered into on the one bard to enable Till key ti raise money, that on the other hand the Governments of England and France shall have the certainty that the money shall be applied to the objects for which it was raised. Now, considering the great import ance of the struggle in which we are engaged, and the ab solute necessity of furnishing the Turkish Government in same way or other with the means of playing her part in this great struggle, and considering also the results that must ensue if the Turkish army were to fall to piecesfor want of the ordinary means of keeping it together in a state of efficiency, I cannot persuade myself that the house will not be disposed to concur with her Majesty in the engagement which this convention records, but will, by passing this resolution in the first place, and then the bill that will be founded upon it, afford her Majesty the means of making good the engagement contingently contracted on the under standing that this house will assist her in making good t hat sum. I believe that the feeling which is universal in this house and in the country, that every effort should be made for carrying on the war with the vigour that must lead to success, will induce honourable gentlemen to consider this as one of the most indispensable measures for the attainment of that object, and that therefore I shall obtain the sanc tion of the house to the resolution I have now, sir, placed in your hands. kr. RICARDO said that when he recollected we were by this loan entering into the old system of subsidies which now weighed so heavily on the nation, and when he saw by a return obtained by the late Mr. Hume that the amount of subsidies granted during the late war, in the twenty years previous to 1816, was no less than 58 millions., he must vote against the proposition of the noblejlord, unless he was shown some immediate and imperative reason for having recourse to this system. It was a singular instance of the proof of the way in which this system worked that no less a sum than nine millions and a half of the subsidies granted during the late war were given to Russia. It was clear that if that subsidy had not been given her powers of aggression must now have been materially less. When we granted the Greek loan we took a different course. That loan of two millions and a half was given to the king we had appointed. There were then three guaranteeing powers. Did we give a joint guarantee ? No ; each power guaranteed its own portion, and therefore on the failure of the Greek Govern ment to pay the interest, we had only to pay our own share of the loss ; nor had we had any quarrels on that account with any other of the guaranteeing powers. But might that be the case on the system of a joint guarantee? Suppose that a change should take place in the Government of France, and that the new Government should refuse to pay their share of the interest of the loan, not only might we be obliged to pay the whole interest, but we might be in volved in endless quarrels and difficulties with France. He did not wonder that France wished for a joint guarantee, because in that case it was olear that the English credit became that on which the whole loan was granted. When a mercantile man saw two names on the back of a bill of exchange, he did not care for the second name if he sat the first was a good one. It was the highest credit that ruled the market. The great question, however, for them to con sider was whether this guarantee was absolutely necessary. He believed the House of Commons was quite ready to grant the Chancellor of the Exchequer all the means ueces sary for carrying on the war, but he thought they ought to pause before they undertook to pay the expenses of another nation as well as ourselves. They ought to have the clearest proof of the necessity of the case. It was true that the noble lord assured the house that there was not the slightest risk of our being called upon to pay a sixpence of this interest, because the whole revenue of Turkey was pledged to us as a security. Well the noble lord gave precisely the same assurance in 1832, when the Greek loan was in course of negotiation. But did Greece how pay the interest of that loan ? It was clear that it Turkey could pay us the inte rest of the loan out of her resources there was no reason why she should not pay the public their interest on the loan without guarantee, and why they should not trust her on this security. Indeed Turkeyhad actually raised money at a high price. The last loan now stood at 9 in the mar ket, and he had been told by a gentleman that he had of fered to take the remaining `4. millions of the last loan at 83, and that he knew a French bauking.house who were ready to advance it at 81$. That showed that she •could raise money herself. He granted it would be at a high rate of interest. But he did not see why we should stop forward at the beginning of the struggle to assist Turkey in her first difficulties. He believed we had had, up to the present mo ment, an outlay exceed ingin extravagance the late war. The House of Commons had absolutely placed no check on expen diture; and all who wished to secure the 'least prudence in the management of the finances had been accused of starving the war. Now, he certainly thought that these matters should be more closely looked to. Why, the other night the Minister of War told the House of Lords that he was about to double the pay of the army in the Crimea, and that without the least communication with that house. Then, again, the Cuemceller of the Exchequer told the house in the most careless manner. and only in answer to a casual question, that he had exceede l the estimates for the year, and should present supplemental estimates. And with respect to this h an., the first they knew of it was that a communication had ueen laid before the French Cham bers stating that we were to guarantee half of this Turkish subsidy. That was not the way in which they ought to be treated. He should certainly divide the house against the resolution. (Hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER defended the guarantee, and said that, though it was a joint one:,of the two Governments over the whole loan, yet France and England had entered into an agreement between them selves by which, in case of their being called on, each would be responsible for her own share of the debt. Mr. GLA.DSTONE said this measure opened a ques _ _ tion which the people of England had ever regarded with mistrust, suspicion, and jealousy. He did not dispute the principle that we might in case of necessity lend direct pecuniary aid to our ally ; but then that necessity must be clearly shown, and he did not think that had been done in the present case, He did not see much difference be tween a subsidy and a guarantee ; he objected to guaran tees as much is to subsitlie3, and fhe objected to guaran tees in general, he objected most strongly to the present guarantee, which was joint and several between France and England. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said there was a private arrangement between France and England, by which each look its own share of responsibility. But that did not eppear on the face of the treaty, and he fore saw endless political difficulties in connection with it. Suppose the war were over, that the interest was not paid by Turkey, that France was of opinion Tur key could pay and England was of opinion she could not, who was to settle the difference ? He showed the difference between this guarantee and the direct and open loan made by this country to Sardinia, and while he admitted that the house had nothing to do with making treaties, they had to do with ratifying them ' • and he fur one could not agree to ratify this loan, founded as it was oit the principles of which Mr. Pit; and the men of his generation would have been ashamed. Lord PALKERSMON said the only difference between Mr. Gladstone and himself, so far as he could perceive, was whether there should be a guarantee or a' irect loan, or even a subsidy. As to the political difficulties which the right hon. gentleman apprehended from our jointguarantee with France, he stated that political difficulties had risen out of the separately guaranteed loan to Greece, for the other guaranteeing parties had protested against England taking steps to recover her share from Greece. Mr. DISRAELI—Without doubt, sir, this is one of the most, important questions which has occupied the attention of Parliament this session, and the circumstances of this loan are such that the public mind ought to be directed to it. lam not prepared to say that the loan which has been already made to Sardinia was impolitic, and the arrange ments made with regard to it were perhaps as unobjection able as arrangements of the kind could be; but I must s.ty that it was a subject which deserved greater consideration from the house than it received. We have now a much larger proposition, in a form very different, and in a shape which ought to make the committee pause before it agrees to it. The noble lord at the head of the Government, has dwelt upon the point that this is not a subsidy, but a loan. Lord PALMERSTON —A ;oan to 133 raised by Turkey. Mr. DISRAELI—Yes, and the noble lord recommends it to the committee, on the ground that the immediate bur den cannot be felt by the country; but I can make no dif ference in a country like England between national credit and national capital. (Rear, hear.) If England guarantees a loan, I cannot admit that we can consider it a liability which we may not be called upon to discharge. (Hear.) , If the security offered by Turkey were of the least, objec tionable nature, I should say that we should regard our , liability in the same light; and if the security to be given , by Turkey be really of the nature described by the noble lord, I do not think she would be an unsuccessful applicant in the markot where nations are in the halit of negotiating loans of this sort. But I confess I look with an eye of some incredulity on the resources of Turkey, and upon her means of discharging this liability. The noble lord says that he has no doubt that Turkey will fulfil her engage ment if the loan be guaranteed by England and France. The noble lord touched upon the resources of Turkey with that rich colour which we see g iven in the announcements of joint-stock compaties. (Laughter.) He spoke of her mines, and- of her other resources, and he expressed his opinion that there was no doubt, whatever but that Turkey would be able to pay the interest, and also the instalments towards the sinking fund. But what, let me ask, were the anticipations of the noble lord with regard to the Greek loan in 1832 ? When he recommended a similar case to the consideration and the sanction of Par liament with reference to that loan in August, 18 he said that the three Powers had guaranteed a loan of 60,000,000 of florins, and that for his own part he had no doubt that, when Greece was settled, it would make a spring in commerce and agriculture which would not only enable her to pay the interest on tie loan, but to dispense with the necessity of raising the third portion, and perhaps the sec and. The noble lord has given to-night an equally sanguine opinion with regard to the resources of Turkey, but I find, on looking at our finance accounts for the year ended the sth of January, 1855, the following entry : "To payment of interest and sinking fund, Greek Loan, 47,6371. is. 4d." I fear that,in the same manner, we must be prepared to see in our financial accounts of future years a portion of the public treasure, raised from the taxes of the people charged to the liquidation of the interest and sinking fund of the Turkish loan. (Hear) Ido not say that it is not to the interest, of eergland that this loan should be raised, but I contend that we should have a clear idea of the full extent of the engagements and liabilities we are about to incur. (Hear.) I therefore look upon this proposition of the noble lord to guarantee the principal and interest of the loan as an engagement which we insist be prepared to fulfil. Lord PALMERSTON—We are not to guarantee the principal. Mr. DISRAELI— -Well, I look upon it as an engagement, as far as it goes, which we must not only be prepared to fulfil, but which we will have to fulfil. I object to arrange nsents of this kind as matters of policy. (Hear, hear.) I say that you are bound to prove the necessity of the policy you recommend, and we have not before us any circum stance to show that it is necessary for us to enter into en gagements of this nature. The noble lord opposite says that Turkey has been called upon to make great exertions, but that she has not the means at this moment to enable her to do so. But we have no information before us to as sure us of that fact, and I think we are entitled to have some definite details submitted to us before we enter upon the arrangement which the Government has invited us to make. (Hear.) And I would ask, if we admit this system of guaranteeing loans, where is the line to be drawn ? for on the noble lord's plea on behalf of Turkey I do not see why this loan should not be for 1 0,000,0001, We have no data given to us as to the application of this money, or the mode of its expenditure ; and I think the committee ought to pause and consider whether they are not entering upon a system which may begin this session, but the result of which may be indefinite, and which may gradually increase the liabilities of this country and aggravate the burdens whip h we ourselves are obliged to bear. If it is to the inter est of England to maintain the power of Turkey, it will be well for the committee to inquire whether it would not be wiser for us to incur this expenditure under our own conrol than commence a system which, whether it be loan or sub sidy, is an advance of the public treasure, which, in all .:. _.' - . 1855. probability will not be repaid, and which will increase the netionel liebieities of Emile/el. The noble loal het; d 11!; e 1 :stern .`Lis i, the toos , t useful to Vile it na the least beriteep.oma to Eoglaxii ; hot obj , -et literaiso 1 think it 'a rCliintlitd 1.11`,A, !?:) 11:0115 I.crl; . ii)? , ;. I object to it 'oyau , s, ilaere in the expression filet tine ei;teut , ,io ,101: eo , it luittee is (ireeieil from the real questa/a at issue, namely— whether UCi should increase our liabilities in order to assist Turkey. I deny that the system proposed is the least burdensome to England. (Hear, hear.) It is no less burdensome than any other means by which England can raise money, and it is no more burdensome. It must not, therefore, be said that the Government has got a mode of benefitting Turkey which is less disadvantageous to England, for she incurs precisely the same liability. The committee has to consider that the only question before it is, whether we are to advance capital for the benefit of Turkey? The noble lord says that there is an objection to the form of the guarantee. The proposition before us is, that we should give a joint and several gnat an tee with France for the entire i terest upon 5,000,0001. In this respect the convention differs from that made in 1832 for the Greek loan; but, if I mistake not, th e first proposition made for the Greek loan in that year was made in the form now recommended by the noble lord. It was wisely refused by the noble lord who was then Secretary of State, and two years afterwards circumstances arose which would have rendered a joint guarantee iu the high est degree euibarassit ' e to this country. The noble l or d has very wisely decided that the guarantee should be a joint one, and now he says the form of that guarantee is preferable to that of 1832. It certainly appears, atthe first blush, that a separate guarantee is the most simple and the least liable to give rise to international difficulties, and yet what occurred in the year 1836, when the noble lord was obliged to come down to the house to ask for fresh powers to enable' England to fulfil her engagements? (Hear ) In 18 t 6 the noble lord the Prime Minister moved for leave to bring in a bill to amend the 2d and 3d Win. IV., which was known as the Greek loan. The noble lord was obliged on that occasion to come down and introduce a bill to en able him to fulfil engagements which the country had en tered into in 1832, and yet it was not in reference to a joint guarantee, but only to a separate guarantee. I find, on 28th of July in the same year, the noble lord moved for a committee on the Greek loan, and made a statement showing the existence of a difference between France and England on the one hand, and Russia on the other, with respect to the advances. The committee will, therefore, see that even on the Greek loan—even with only a sepa rate guarantee—the noble lord was obliged to come down and introdacea new bill to enable him to fulfil engagements subject to comparatively slight restrictions in comparison with those he now proposes to encounter. What would have been the situation of the noble lord, under these circumstances, if he had been engaged with a joint guarantee, supposing France and Russia had re , fused to carry _ out their share of the guarantee. and had not paid the interest on the loan ? Why, the noble lord would have been obliged to pay the interest on the whole loan. The noble lord must pardon um if I look upon the proposition he has now made, of England entering into a joint guarantee, not only with suspicion, but with great alarm. If we found a separate guarantee liable to such misinterpretation, and tending to such complications and difficulties that we required all the ability and energy of the noble lore to arrange them at that time, what may now be the possible consequences of our entering at this mo ment into it, joint guarantee with our ally ? et is because I estimate that alliance as high as the noble lord or any man in the country, that I am anxiops to keep that connec tion as pure as possible of financial engagements. The noble lord has himself acknowledged the possibility of a mss- understanding with an ally under such circumstances ; but why should se go out of our way to enter into engagements of this kind which were pregnant with eo much difficulty and danger, when we have before us, if we are obliged to have recourse to this system of as sisting Turkey—a precedent which has proved efficient to meet all those difficulties which are probably always insu eereble from financial engagements. Irrespe c ti ve o f my objection to the original schme of coming forward to do what is called assisting Turkey, by using the credit—that is, the crspital of England—in a manner which appears to me most crude, without having before us any detailed es timate of the circumstances which justify in the opinion of the Government, such an advance ; irrespective of that objection, I must say I greatly object to the form the noble lord has recommended us to adopt. The noble lord says there will be an arrangement made by which we shall have a control over the finances of Turkey, which toy secure to us the receipt of our interest, and of that sum which is necessary from the public revenue to form a sinking fund for this loan; and he also says that commissioners are to be appointed in the Turkish empire for this great object ; but this appears to me to be an arrangement pregnant with great difficulties and dangers. Lord PALMERSTON— We are to be distributors of the proceeds. Mr. DISRA.ELI—If we are to be the distributors of the proceeds of the loan, then I think the noble lord has en tered into an arrangement infinitely more to be deprecated. If we aro not only to supply the funds, but also to distri bute and divide them, when we call upon Turkey to pay the interest and advances, we shall have a perpetual quar rel as to the mode in which the original loan has been ex pended. She will always say, We are paying interest on money which we have not received, or which has not been expended for the public benefit. Let the noble lord only look at the pleas preferred by the South American States as reasons for not paying the public debts they had contracted with respective Governments. They have always said, " These loans have been negotiated in so expensive a manner that we have not received more than a moiety of two-thirds of the nominal capital for which we are debtors, and there fore we shall not pay any portion whatever." You will be in the same position in Turkey if you adopt the arrangements recommended by her Majesty's Ministers. lam altogether opposed to these advances to States in the position in which Turkey is placed, but if you are to make advances, let them be advances paid bona fide into the hands of the Turkish Government. (Hear.) I sincerely hope the cow inittee will pause before it sanctions the resolution before the house. This is the second advance which has been asked for during the present session to assist a foreign Power. It is an advance of the capital of England upon an insufficient security. I see no reason why a sum larger in amount may not be recommended in a very short time to be again advanced for the assistance of Turkey. (Hear.) The description given by the noble lord of the destitution of Turkey is so vague, but at the same time is so alarm ing, that, if you admit his present precedent, there is no reason why it may not be a precedent for larger de mands to be again, and even perpetua.ny, if the war lasts, recommended for the sanction of Parliament. My advice is, that this is a step we should not autho rise. If the Government can come forward and show that there are special objects in regard to which it may be of importance to assist Turkey, it will be for the committee to consider whether those objects cannot be better obtained by more directly expending these sums of money under our own control and by our own means. The Government, however, favour us with no details; they have not stated upon what grounds they founded their estimate; we do not know whether five millions or ten millions will be suf ficient to attain the specific object in the mind of the Minister. But, by agreeing to this quest:on, we shall be establishing a precedent which will, in my mind, have a most injurious effect up .n the finances of this country. All that I would do would he to entreat the committee to reconsider well the financial position of our own coun try itself. The Chancellor of the Exchequer has to-night appeared to be surprised that a right honourable gentleman on this side of the house should have complained that we should only just now—almost at the end of the session—have become aware of the intention of the Government to appoint another committee of ways and means, and this, too ' after we had voted an amoun t o f pub lic money this year larger than hail been voted for the last 40 years. But Ido not think we ()ugh' to have owed it to a chance inquiry of the hon. baronet the UJOlllber for Ever sham (Sir H. Willoughby) to be told that we are, at the end of July, to prepare to go into committee of ways and means. I think it would have been as well if this notifica tion had been made in a more formal and ceremonious man ner. All I know is, that it was an inquiry made in so sow a tone of voice, and answered in a tone of voice so little mere elevated, that very few hon. gentleman in the ho use were really aware of the important inquiry and reply eTe were favoured with. This is a very important considera tion, for is is quite impossible to shut our eyes to the serious state of our finances. Great as are the resources of this country, we must nut be afraid of calling it this serious state of our finances. I have no doubt that, what ever sacrifices we are called upon to make the country are prep fired to make for the great object now at stake. The country, however, ought to have precise ideas of the objects for which the public money is to be expended. But I want to know what precise conception we have of how these public funds going to Turkey are to be expended ? We have not that infore.ation from Mini sters, and we are, at the same time, sanctioning a system which is vague in its character and indefinite in its amount, and at a time when we have to consider the general finan cial position of the country, incurring a liability which renders all estimates impossible, and all computation of public expenditure of the most unsatisfactory and perplex ing character. Under these circumstances, I think it will be well for the house not to sanction the resolution now in the hands of the chairman. Let her Majesty's Mini sters have an opportunity of reconsidering the whole' of the question—let them wait until they place before us a clearer idea of our financial position than we at present possess, and let the Ministry in the interval devise some , mode by which we may assist Turkey in a manner, I think, much more efficient and effective than sending English capital to that country, instead of employing English capital by English means and machinery for the object we have all of us at heart, namely, the vigorous prosecution of the war in which we are en gaged, and establishing Turkey, as I hope to see it esta blished, a real and effective barrier against the aggression of Russia. (Hear.) the Fund) Dgislature already obtained must be nnll and follv t;ii!iiitt,fl the )ight. of the hose to rej,ict her comient Ofl • v173`. : !; its !i;. Olt-A w ou ld • 1 i lie jl 1 - )lans; the Gove,Lwelit, and reminded the house that Ministers were in fact precluded from taking any other course than they did, as they had pledged themselves to contract no further loan for England till the last instalment of the last was paid. Mr. WALPOLE thought the Chancellor of the Exche quer had risen to withdraw this resolution, and he regret ted he had not done so. The arguments were unanswered, and he believed unanswerable; and there was this remark able circumstance, that not a single independent member had given an unqualified support to the Government pro pos ti on. Lord PALMERSTON spoke again, and taunted the hon. gentlemen who had made general warlike professions ' and even attacked the G ov e rnmen t f or i ns i ncer it y w i t h now flinching from their own professions, and refusing this comparatively small contribution for the vigorous prosecu tion of the war. The committee then divided— For the resolution Against it Majority for the resolution —3 This announcement was received with cheers and counter cheers by the committee. The resolution being thus carried, the house resumed. SUPPLY—THE MAYNOOTH COMMISSION. , 135 132 On the motion for going into a committee of supply, Mr. SPOONER moved that a select committee be ap pointed to consider the circumstances under which the re port and evidence of the late Maynooth Commission had been tampered with. Mr. !lORSMAN, on the part of the Government, resisted the motion, and after some discussion the house divided, For going into committee of supply 76 For Mr. Spooner's amendment 97 Majority against the Government —2l STAi4E bAhRIA4E DUTIES BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. The Court of Judicature (Prince of Wales' Island, &c.) Bill was road a third time and passed. The Convention with United States Bill was read a third time and passed, as was also the Chinese Passengers' Ships Bill. ABSCONDING DEBTORS (IRELAND) BILL. On the order of the day for the third reading of this bill, Mr. BRADY moved as an amendment that the bill be read a third time that day three months. The house divided — For the amendment Against it Majority The bill was read a third time. The house adjourned, at four minutes to two o'clock, until Monday at 12 o'clock. .. 10 .. 56 ..-4G PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. HOUSE OF CO vl VIONS.-JULY 20. THE TURKISH LOAN.—CONSIDERED IN COMMITTEE. Motion made, and question put, " That it is the opinion Of this committee that her Majesty be authorised to guarantee the paymet.t of the interest on the loan of 5,000,0001. ster ling, to be contracted for by his Imperial Majesty the Sultan, in pursuance of the convention signed at Loudon on the 27th day of June, 1855, between her Majesty, his Majesty the Emperor of the French, and his Imperial Ma jesty the Sultan, and that provision be made out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom, or the growing produce thereof, for the issue of such sums of money, from time to time, as may be required to pay any interest which may at any time be required to fulfil the guarantee of her Majesty in respect of such interest, conformably to the tenour of her Majesty's engagement as specified in the said convention, together with the attending charges of manage ment thereon :"—The committee divided ; Ayes 135, Noes 132. AYES-135. Acton, J. Grey, Sir G. Anderson, Sir J. Grey, R B 11, J. Grosvenor, Ld. R. Baring, Sir F. Hall, Sir B. Bass, T. Harkey, T. Bethel!, Sir R. Histb., Archd. Biddulph, R. M. Headlam, T. Bland, L. Herbert, H. Bouveria, llon. E. P. Higgins, G. 0. Brady, J. Hogg, Sir J. W. Brand, H. B. W. Holland, E. Brocklehurst, J. Horsman, E. Brown, ii. Howard, C. Bruce, Lord E. Howard, Lord Buckley, Gen. Ingham, R. Butt, I. Jackson, W. Campbell, Sir A. Kershaw, J. Castlerosse, Viscount Kinnaird, A. Cayley, E. Kirk, W. Cobbctt. J. M. Labouchere,itt.Hon.H Cockburn, Sir A. J. E. Lang ton, H. G. Cowper, W. F. Lee, W. Craufurd, E. H. J. Lewis, Sir G. C. Deedes, W. Lindsay, Col, J. De Vere, S. Lockhart, A. E. Dillw)n, L. LOW., R. Drumlanrig, Viscount Luce, T. Duncan, Viscount Mackinnon, W. A. Dungat van, Viscount 31`t:ann, J. Ebrington, Viscount Macgregor, John Ellice, E. Massey, W. Esmonde, J. . Matheson, A. Ewart, J.' Milligan, R. Fergusson. Sir R. Mitchell, T. Fitz Gerald, Sir J. Molesworth, Sir W. Fitz Gerald, J. Mon creiff, J. Forster, C. Monsen, W. ForVer, J. Morris, D. Fox,W. Mowatt, F. HalweY, Sir W. Mulgrave. Earl Glyn, G . am untz, G. Goderich, Via. Noel, G. Goodman. Sir G. Norreys, Sir D. Greene, John North, F. Gregson, S. O'Brien, I'. Greville, Col, F. O'Brien, Sir T. O'Connell, D. Oliveira, B. Osborne, R. Palmerston, Visa. Pechell, Sir G. Peel, F. Pellatt, A. Perry, Sir T. Philipps, J. Pritchard, J. Ricardo, 0. Ricardo, S. ch?rdson, J. Russell, Lord J. Russell, F. C. Sadleir, James Sawle, C. Scholedeld, W. Scohell, Capt. G. Szally, F. Scilly, V. Seymour, Lord Seymour, H. Shaft°, R. Shee, Serjt. W. Shelley, Sir J. Smith, M. Smith, R. Somerville, Sir W. Steel, J. Thornely, T. Tite, W. Tomline, G. Water park, Lord Watkins, Col. Whatman, J. Wickham, H. W. Wilkinson, W. Williams W. Willoughby, Sir 11. Wilson, J Wood, Sir C. Wynaham, W. TELLEILS ilayter, W. Berkeley, G. Napier, J. Newark, Viscount Ossulston, Lord Pakenh am, T. H. Pakington, Sir J. Palmer, Roundell Peacocke, G. Peel, Gen Pennant, Col. E. Percy, I. Phillimore, R. J. Pilaington, J. Repton, G. Ru.hout, G. Smijth, Sir W. Smith, J B. Smyth, J. G. Spooner, R. Stafford, A. Stanhope, J. St4nley, Lord Stirling, 'V. E.tracey, H. Stuart, W. Stw• , , [l. Sullivan, Michael Taylor, Col. Tollernache, J. Tyler, Sir G. Verner, Sir W. Vernon, G. Vernon, L. Vyse, Col. Waddington, H. Walcott, Admiral Walpole, S. Walsh, Sir J. Whiteside, J. Whitmore, 11. ise. A. Wyndham. Gen. NOES-132. A dderley, C. Graham, Lord W. Alcock, T. Granby, Marquis of Alexander, J. Guinness, E. Bailey, C. Gwyn, H. Ball, E. Hadtleld, G. Baldock, E. Hamilton, Lord C. Ranker, 14 Hog G. 'Hamilton, G. A. Haines, T. II astie, X lex. Bateson, T. Heathcote, Sir VP. Beaqmout, W. Henley, J. Bell, J. Herbert, S. B. ntinck, G. Hervey, Lord A nooker, T. W. lie% wood, J. Brigh , , J. Horsfall. T. uck, G. Hotham, Lord Burrowes, R. Hume, W. Cairns, H. Jolliffe, Sir W. Card well, E. Jones, Adm. Child, Smith Jones, D. Cobden, R. K endall, N. Codrington, Sir C. W. Knight, F Cole, 1 i A. Knox, W. S. lorry, H. T. L. Lemok, Luid if. C_wan, C. Lidd..ll, H. 0.. Crook, J. Lockhart, W. Crossley, F. Lovalne, Lord D:vies, J. L. Lowther, Col. Disraeli. B. Lushim;ton, et. Duff,, C. G. Macartoey, G. Duncan, G. Macgregor, Jas. Duscoinbe, Hon.W. Maddock, Sir T. IL Dundas, G. Maguire, J. Dan; Col. Manners, Lord G. Egerton, E. C. Maxwell, J. Evelyn, W. Meagher, T. Farnham, E. lri en x. Sir H. FelloweN, C. nail, E. Fergusson, Sir J. Mlles, W. Fitzgerald, W. Michell, W. Forester, Col. Moffatt, G. French, F. !V organ, 0. G' } Plo, Col. H. Mowbray, J. Gladstone, W. MuMugs, J. Gordon, A. Murrough. J. Graham, Sir J. Naas, Lord TELLEN.9 Laing, S. Ri.,rdo, J. PAIRS ON THE TURKISH LOAN RESOLUTION. FOR. AGAINST. Mr. Layard Captain Gladstone Lord Emlyn Mr. Knatehbull Mr. Elliot Sir T. Herbert Mr. Fenwick Mr. Newdegate Mr. Wyvill Mr. Fuller Mr. Grenfell Sir C. Burrell Mr. Byng Mr. Frewen Mr. Majoribanks Sir F. Thesiger Sir R. Price Mr. B. Coles Colonel Freestun Mr. Vansittart Mr. C. Villiers Mr. Malins Mr. G. Langton has paired for the remainder of the session with Mr. G. C. Legh. THE MEDITERRANEAN. SOUTHAMPTON, FRIDAY NIGHT. By the Peninsular and Oriental Company's steam ship Indus, Captain Soy, with the India and Medi terranean mails, we have received dates from Alexandria July 6, Malta 10, and Gibraltar 15. The Indus brings in all 63 passengers, and a cargo consisting of silk, shawls, elephants' teeth, During the homeward voyage the Indus spoke, on the 12th inst., the Peninsular and Oriental Company's steamer Sultan ,• on the 14th the sailing transport Saldanha, bound to England, with in valids ; on the 15th, the sailing transport Stock holm, bound to the Crimea, and transport No. 841; on the 16th, the screw transport Cochrane ; on the 19th spoke the Peninsular and Oriental Company's steam-ship Iberia, with the outward Peninsular mails. The Austrian fleet, consisting of 12 vessels, was lying at Alexandria. The Briti s h s t eamer C on t rac t or , 21 d ays from Liverpool, arrived at Gibraltar on the sth inst. The sailing transport Canterbury arrived out on the 9th ; also the steam transport Severeigo, from London ; the Dido, from Plymouth ; the Norman and the sailing transport Lord Raglan, from Liver pool. Th e Pioneer steam-transport, laden with gunpowder, he., arrived from London on the 10th, and as she was steaming into the bay the ballast fuel on board took fire, but was fortunately soon extinguished. The steam-transport Bacchante arrived out on the 12th. Sir DE LACY EVANS supported, though reluctantly, the proposition of the Government. Mr. LAING was unwilling to embarrass the Adminis tration, but he was much opposed to the principles of a guarantee. Mr. COBDEN accepted the description of the noble lord as a proof of what he had all along said, that Turkey was politically effete. She could not be trusted, it seemed, with spending her own money, and therefore the Go vernments of England and France were going to spend it for her. But he was anxious to know how that was to be done. Were they to send agents to every regi ment, to see that the soldiers were properly paid? If they did not do that they slid nothing, for it was well k own that the colonel at the head of every Turkish regi ment was the man who plundered the regiment. If money was to be lent Turkey at all, any way would be bett er than this way. They had much better make a present of it to Turkey altogether. He consi ered the proceedings of that night would be a great triumph to the Russian party everywhere. It was now admitted that Tut key was not only a sick but a dying man, and the insult offered to her by this measure was greater than any offered by Prince Menschikoff. His opinion was, if they wanted to support Turkey, they ought at once to put an end to the war, and akiress themselves to the question of providing some effec tive internal government for Turkey. Mr. WILKINSON could not take upon himself the re sponsibility of refusing this vote. Mr. CARDWELL said the House of Commons had already, for the purposes of this war, sanctioned an expenditure which, separated from the debt, tripled THE VOTE ON MR. ROEBUCK'S MOTION,----It will be the expenditure of 1851. It was their duty, the e fore, to pause now, and ask whether this new expenditure seen from the division list that the Liberals who voted was calculated to attain the end in view. His objections against“th the p previous oguestt question"ing rid of Mr. Roebu c k's resolution by to this resolution were three : — first , that they were about to vote away the money of this country without having John Bright, H ump h rey Chambers, over it any adequate control ;his next , objection was, that Richard Cobdenßwreorwen,Mi‘elsosnrsta. Montagu u ohn Brady, , Joseph Crook, Charles G. Duffy, Vis it was a disguise an d a deception ; his third objection was, count Goderich, John Greene, George Hadfield, T. Ken the political consequences the loan might entail on us. On nefly, G. Langton, A. Layard, W. S Lindsay , J. F. these grounds he thought that every friend to a vigorous m a •H. F. m jp gime, Meagher prosecution o f th e war o ught to vote against the resolution. Murrough, I- • -her,, E Miall, G. un z, J. P. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER called the J . A. Roebuck, A. Otway, J. L. Ricardo, atte, tiqn of the committee tollfe consequences that would W. Scholefield, Captain Seobell, A. Smith, W. Wil follow from a rejection of th s vote. The guarantee h a d limns and R. Swift. A mon g the Conservatives wh o already been adopted by the French Legislature. If the voted f,r the previous question, and against their lead. House of Commons refused it, her Majesty must commu- ers, were Sir T. D. Aclar.d, Viscount Barrington, I. nicate to her ally the Emperor of the French that she is Butt, Marquis of Granby, T. B. Horsfall, H. G. Liddell, unable to fulfil her engagements, and that the consent of A and Sir J. Walsh, The British hired hark Allied Powers took in a cargo of shot and shell at Gibraltar, for the Crimea, on the 14th inst. The Sultan, with the India and China mails, arrived at Gibraltar on the 9th inst., and the Alhambra, with one Peninsular mail, on the 14th. Exchanges at Gibraltar and on London were quoted for bills at 90 . days' date at 511; Paris, sf. 37c. j, , t7; n (1-1 Tri Y LiVratis'ool,—JULT 28. A• SieftfiY but trot latge <l , .u;iawl "P e r i: o oo / 1 i,11,13 at,, flour, o a ts, b:Lrley, at; ti ?' . to titt beitig well sup med. Int.iisu corn ligv.of white corn 42s p e r 4801bs, which is an advance,,4' qr., and mixed and yell o W 37s Cd to 33s per 40' is a decline of Gil to is per qr. WAKEFIELD—JuLT 20. Factors commenced by asking an advance of 16 .,1 1)e g i for wheat, which checked sales, and business los .° OO l moderate extent, at rather over last week's barley, beans, oats, and shelling no material cilia LINCOLN—JULY 20. I P The show of wheat to-day was °llly moderatsPd°lolllii the late unsettled weather. Farmers depl a to Vance of is to per qr. on previous prices, w "..." had to accede to, but the' business doing ' 0 ". e d Barley, oats, and beans in small supply, °bto prices. ~.8300 ..78s to iss . ..34s :Ars . ..270 t o ( o g " ". CURRENT PRICES. Wheat, white.. red. Barley, grinding Oatß Beans EXETER—JULY 18. I ° l CORN.—In our market wheat may quoted 01 to lOs Od. Malting barley, 4s 9d to 5s Od; 8“ - 0, Od d Od to Os Od. Oats, 3s 8d to 4s Od. Beans) 0 Od. Peas, ON Od to OOs Od. ' 5400 d FLOUR. —Fine, 56s Od to 58s Od ; second s, Od per sack. sod l c : 1 ,01 CATTLE.—Prime beef, lls 6tl per score ; ° lb., 0 0 101. 00s to 16/. ; butchers' calves, Nd to 6d 13 01 '.„b i , calves —s to —s each. Sheep, 4id to 7d. lit'woh;') Od per lb. Store hogs, large size, 50s to 55s ea ch; 'l 20s to 00s ; small, OOs to 00s. Rough fat, Pork carcases from 9s 9d to 10s 6d per score. INVERNESS.—JuLT 17. A t CORN.—Wheat, white, per qr., 73s Od to 758701. ley, chevalier, 31s Od to 32s Od ; ditto, commo n ' . 01 31s Od. Oats, Els Od to 32s Od. Oa' MEAL.—Oatineal, per imp. boll 24s Od to O w 16 0 $ second, 00s Od to Os Od ; barleymeal, 16s 6d t ,, slit peasemeal, 16s 6d to 20s Od; bran, per stone, u" Ist flour, per 2801 b, 57s Od to 60s Od ; 2d dit t t r ika r i OOs Od; oatmeal, best, per st. of 141 b ior„,0 11 :0 to Os Od ; ditto second, Os Od to Os Od ; barlenod to OOs Od ; peasemeal, is 10d to Os 011 ; Ist floor,'" 3s 6d credit ; 2d ditto, 2s 6d cash, 2s 9d credit. BRISTOL SUGAR—JULY 2 0 . o / We have experienced a tolerably activ e I n tbV cially for the sorts suited for grocers' purPlinary of which have amounted to about 80' psiq, are a slow sale, at is decline per cwt. A Go sre f r i a ir tract for 75,000 gallons has produced solve ruins, and Leeward and Demerara are &O re gallon. ET--JULY 20 s. close of the 00116 wallopa . g.. Lambton .............. :„.•••,1 wham .................. Haswell ........... Kepier Grange •••' 91 Peusher ......... ..,„•e Russell's Flettee.",,lli South Fletton. ..... :,,.• 0 Stewart's •• • „01•••''1/ Trimdon • ig Heugi• Hall ..•••••'..."11 West KePoe ..... S ou th Hartlepo ol South Kelloe ..... Whitworth ..... E v enwood .••. Carr's Merthr . letwentwater .„.••0 Wayne's MertbYr''' Cannel . ....... • 1(Q 1 I Sold ...... Tf BD, LNGE.— " ••''' Gibraltar • • ••...• Leghorn • • •• ,• Genoa ........ •• .Illan ...• •• ;••''•o4 Venice.. •• •• '• ,•.'',, '., Naples ..... • ...• ''o Y ;Palermo .• • • ...• 0 Y ., Messina .• •• •• :•' ° o Lisbon .. .... Oporto .. •••• " „ ,• BM Janeiro..... Buenos Ayre!•,,,, f e' 0 7,,."., Ndw York, Co ' 4. : • o ', o' l l Philadelphia • • ,ie PRICES OF gift , 13 141 C. ; Silver 2l{}P.ooeNrrxteiweg na i a n nlnG b :Pol a oli r dal s idir I COAL MARK Prices of Coal per ton at ti s. Rate's West Hartley 17 6 Howard's West Hartley Netherton 18 0 Raveusworth Hartley lB Tanfield Moor l5 6 Tanfield Moor Flutes 15 Grey's West Hartley l7 3 Wylam 17 6 Wallsend, Acorn Close l9 9 I Gosforth lB fi Heaton Eledley Hilda 18 0 Leyerson 15 6 Riddell lB 6 Eden Main 2O 3 Belmont 19 Framwellgate l9 f , Ships at market...ll COURSE OF EXCH. Amsterdam .. .... 11 17 u Ditto, three months .. 11 18% Rotterdam •• • • .• ••• • • • 11 19 Antwerp •••••• .. • • • • • 25 45 Brussels ••••••.• • • • • • • 25 35 llamburgh •• ••.••• • • • • 13 7,!.4 Altona • • •• •• •• — Pari5........ • • .. •• 25 .0 Ditto, thre months .. 25 35 Marseilles ••••, . • • • • • • 25 35 Bourdeaux . • Ft ankfort-on Maine • 118% Berlin •• • • •• •• • • • • •• •• - Vienna•• •• •• •• •• •• •• •• 12 15 Trieste ••••••••• - -• • . •• 12 16 Petersburg •• • • •.. •• •• • 35% Madrid •• • • • • • .• • 50 Cadiz ........ • • ..... .• 50 Barcelona ••••..• • • • • • Seville •••• • • ••• ••• • . SEABORNE MAILS. ke morning—desp, Day wnen a, u l in General Post- Office, London.* 14 )m the 6 01°1 latch.) c os !tal 4 ,1 1 DisP. , isr Liven -- t --- -4,01 I 0 of LiverP °°) soutt opt , ' 0 South arSPW : Dover " fie Ply 110" • Zu ve h r a . " " sDs S ° O: tu a ci VerP tis 0,0 1 0 9. WO 0 4 , ft , gout ,3J": I l 7 - p iti ow souths"- j•over •1, 1 .s o utlo ,- ; Dov er •• ' 0 • Dov..,er . j , isuaro' c iood *". oo 7 . : ;: v leffl ;Di.icer •;,,;(0 01$ 5,,ut." 161 ,1 ) I rya IDover '‘." '0 I Do , er • ,• jot! i f:D one p ta' Is„utnio a p ro"pri' rAverP °° I 13000 s o goar l i Pt !:. Inover soutb a— p ivar ious ~ ort Dover ; 0 ;00, !scu t!) ,00 v g:outit pat OUP e , DOVel;p01 e Scow — coyanutbo p .. to t MIL • AL] n d ev er y, e - renir4 .I'4:6ertatlLi 1 1:22 . _ 41 -Otk. s ,Rous e , t„ 1 41, c141 k1b, 41 1 1, 4: 1h_pk rte e4 , fro ln •44, •Of 1/+ VTI )' e • i 1 th ti n• t kt st e 12 1- ' L (2 , 1 eigatftes that the m, try the night—and M by tt COUNI'III2;S America(byßrit. pack)N America. (by Uni LEA Ste. packet) ...... ....N America (by U. States packet) .....,.....N Australia (via South ampton) Ditto (via Marseilles) N 1 Ditto (via Cape Df Goad Elope) .............N Africa (West Co ltit)..N Alexandria N Alexandria Bahamas Belgium ..N Brazil ..............M Buenos Ayres M Cape of Good He me .N Cape of Good Hope .N Cape de Verde . N Ceylon (see Indi Ceylon .... N Channel Isles N Chili. China Constantinople Constantinople .. Cont. of Europe N Egypt (see India) France. N Gibraltar ..1k1 Greece (see Indic) Greytown • • M Hainburgh ....N Elavannah M nouand ............ M aonduras . ..... M India (viaSoutbson ,A.llll India (via Mane') leslM lonian Isles (see India) Ireland •• •• •• • & N Lisbon M Madeira ............ M 3tatleira ........ Malta (see India) Malta .......... ..N Mauritius (see ine . ia) Mauritius Naples .... ....N New Granada —•• • . New Papal States .. Peninsula • • ... •• f• •.311 Peru .. hi Port Natal .... ......N Sicily •• •• •• •• ..... N Tuscany .............N Venezuela Van Diemen's L and (see Australia) West Indies Every Friday .. li3d of the moral. 9, 24,41 30 of 5 i l4th *2oth of mor. l 17th of the moot): 1, ~...... 9th of the month 19th o; the m0nt;...1 9th of tb3 month IM On Wed.. 3 01, • 17th of •np„r Once a rp , mth.... 8,130 B,z3,ezzr. us u. 4th v '4oth of En. , j pw tee daily .. • • • Twee (tally ,4,1,17,20,270fn, & 17th of mon.l ;Tuesday & Fthho 2nd Of the monti Dail 17th of the monll,, 1411) & 20th of 1 9th& 25th of month 17, 17, & 27 of mo,. ;Twice daily 17, 9, 17, & 27 of tn. 9th of the month 23d 0 , month 8, 18. &28 of man 14th of the month 2rol of the montt. 15t.h15th2Fithotmen 2d & 17th of moot? 133 private skip .. ;ti• 15 th2A th anion. itthi7th27thofmon. j +dgi 27th of moo. By private ship... sthlsth2sthotreeti, sthisth2sthotinoti.l 2d & lith of Etiontb! 12d 17th 0: month 1 5 '0 When any of these dates f a ll on a S un day, t hc ;oi_ a t ly, !patched on the following day. w ith th e ezceP" l vo Southampton). and the Malt a . b o th o f which receding day. Ilhi [ADVERTISEMENT J --Holloway ' s r ill 6 , fl adapted for curing diseases incidental "abieoliVirot At different periods of life women are s ti— scl l 'lll s it plaints which require a peculiar medicine, I s so io if nO an indisputable fact that there is nel!e;s: ; ti 1 0 131 1 / complaints of this nature as Holloway's I'lleals'i,olf fying qualities render them invaluable t° a y/) ages ; they are searching and cleansing b : e ry h OS/ rating A few doses will speedily remove e very erreld' irregularity in the system, and thereby , es' ed ict ii e on a sound and firm basis. As a family 13 , 4 O r "?' pills are the most valuable aperient e y- f e oF o ' (I _ .... 1 —S , dcl by all medicine vendors, and a t dons °II way's Establishments, 244, Strand, -L 4°. " Maiden-lane, New York. BIRTHS. OF A BON. „tree On the 20thinst., at 15, Upper HarleY Holland rrien g ' stIV On the 20th in s t., a t th e P a lace-P the wife of the Rev. John Hanson SPe r " - f,ati r ' - ' On the 19th i ns t., th e w if e o f Rober t Richmond, Surrey. te t h il t he e . 2 1 I. vi l 6 s t r t hs i . i n nE s s t dt . w ~ La o O ut n n h V/ ; a : h ß i r e Voksbr stre' i a ttl' i at ib e „so bury-park, the wife . of Mr. Thomas Pura°,,,,', jp ot ti , :a ra P t dt 2 A , 14 Bishop's-Etertrr. a ce, 1161c° On Ihe 15to inst., at Bulmershe Court , b' 00 4 rine Whehle. ri sle 13 On the 19th inst., at 36, South-street, u'r° the Lady Bateman. 1 i , CAU MARRIE D. Chu r n;O P Al On the 19th inst., at Waltham Abbef , 0 por r Thomas Englis, Royal Engineers, to Eh ° A j to l/ 4 1 youngest daughter of Joseph •7essop, FA' 1., 13 1 " . rif e ir On the 17th inst., at St. Nicholas Churem o f 13! ~ ,,, 4 Rev. Edward Thomas Austen, 31. A. recto!: o cio c e t3Q • yr. 1 07,17 Kent. the youngest son of Admiral Sir , ov e „ v K.C.8.. of Portsdown Lodge, Hants, t° '- he 1 0 " Coiling - wood, third surviving daughter of t Clavell, R.N. On the 19th inst„ at St. Alban's, •wi . ` . d i DlED. ..... John 94' 75. h 114 id On the 18th inst., at G 1 ester, Josep h e d : / Y solicitor, of the Srmof Harvey°c and Abell, It t , Pr' .0 On the 18th inst at 61, Great Towerstr .4or otrr' it Allan, aged 73. .3 rat ° ,b 0 On the 18th inst. , in Montagu-street, , t er" Robert Pedley, Esq 4.obe r ' On the 18th inst.: Mr. Wm. Soria, Borough-road South w a r k . , ________..„.4l4 ol ito 101 litiltp° 1 4° 4 ° LONDON : Printed and Published bY ."-- 0 010' 4 0 of No. 112, Strand; Printer, at The On g O. '- Strand, in the Precinct of the Sairofr. Kiddicitx, Saturday, July 21, 1 8 * J - ~.._