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tit l2 a long lan. red, th at say the e lative to 'f, in the 110«' 1 the 0 13j r ,, tided the Chinw- tie J un e °l rates co • :hate...: r L ,ongiaLlO: . ' reol l ing 0 ° 11 135 ,i vo d t 3ill : b° lle aitted. re. Bill be 0 re" 110 9 : s :F.NH In i~ is~ vir 10 dear ' '•--•• - - - -- • -•---- -- - - • • That this would be. elle . effect of copy tiglas he sure would apply in these cases. If the House would ~. i n deni ed, w ,, e dsut he thought that there was. one class of works legislate for Milton only, surely it would be more fair, a ark u s i 11 it might have this effect-this was in popular more gratifying to their minds, and more honourable to 6'; t x „ e ' requiring prints and maps to illustrate them. the name of the illustrious individual, and also more s .he c. °s ive editions of works had entirely vanished ; but benefieial to his descendants, that all these works should ~ ~use teicieollected the time when it was otherwise when, to have a copyright of forty-two years. " Comue" would P ress words of Sheridan, they saw." A rivulet of letter- not receive the immense protection proposed by the Bill tdheo.ttw mereeandering through a meadow of mar g i n ." If o f hi s N o bl e F r i en d ; b u t "P ara di se Lost " would be pro a agreed u p on t h e - pr i nc i p l e t h at they. ought to tected more in a ratio according to its merits. Then take ' . % a l; ti !cwile means of more largely rewarding authors Dryden. The Bill of the Noble Lord would protect the ~ e te a d .ue.Y at present were, he asked in what manner bad verses the poet composed on Oliver Cromwell, pub ; T he _ it be effected better than in the mode now proposed? lished in 1658, and also the bad plays written by the te etit r . e w e ard would be thus fair and proportionate to the poet in his youth. Ilis Noble Friend would make the . e nd , e , If there was no sale, there would be no profit ; copyright of the verses on Oliver Cromwell last till len would was little sale, there would be little profit. 1726, making a period of sixty-eight years. But when e f ee7"uld venture to assert that there was no case in we came to the " Fables," and the" ode on St. Cecilia's eel tell there was no admiration for a book without some Day"-the noblest of I)ryden's productions-the term tree o f iie.lie d id sYmpathy and kindness for the author ; and of copyright was cut down to twenty-eight years. the i , think that the great majority of readers to whom This was the difference under the Bill of his Noble ,),, ers P e laok would be increased twopence, or threepence. Friend. The bad verses and the indifferent plays of o)4l4l:rice, would consider the payment as no hardship, Dryden would have a copyright of 65 years, while the 'tab_ ti ler as a boon, that they were enabled thus to con- I " Fables " and the " Ode en St. Cecilia s Day," the lat ethesrete to the independence and comforts of the authors. ter published in the last years of his life, would have ti lnl e p o o_r s t w an aa a ~ n otherconsideration to which he attached great only 28 years. Then take Pope. The Bill of the Noble and one which he thought pointed distinctly to Lord would give Pope's " Pastoral Pieces," which were tildi,idereble extension of the period being necessary, I published when he was only 16 years old,•and were only te . e ,tt!at was permanent applause. He thought it was of remarkable for the taleet displayed at so early an age, g rea t ..8 11.1 posta nce to induce authors to look to permanent a copyright of GO years. But when we come to Pope's .114 e l ' e• There were periods in our history when no most finished production, the " Dunciad," for instance, ti ete .'"uld deny that authors looked beyond, their own the Bill would give only 30 years. Now every one of e it , ro ° , and raised their thoughts above the circumstances these works would be guaranteed a copyright of 42 1 ti ke t ul ee ding them, and beyond the hopes of the present years under the Bill he (Mr. Macaulay) proposed. He k erai ne was most decidedly of opinion that the ephe- I would give all the works of Milton, Dryden, and lite ral Productions of' the present day did no good to Pope, a copyright of' 42 years each. Again, let them I nc tire. They ought to hold out to authors some - in- revert to the first work of Dr. Johnson. It tai cut to look beyond the. taste of the day, and to was a translation of a bock called " Travels in Als's tanire to improve and correct it.-(Cheers.) On that sinia," a work of no value, published in 1735. Indeed, te ntl " t u he urged the House to grant a period of at least the merit of the book was so poor, that Johnson did not kiti s a Y ; fi ve years after the author's death, as he f e lt w i s h t o a ll u d e t o it i n hi s l atter d ays, and when his friend 14, .., d that any s h or t er p er i o d wou ld be insufficient. Boswell told him he had pi c k e d it up , t h e D octor b egged 10 ye n °llld not do his duty to the House if he did not him not to notice it. Yet, to this work, the Bill of his tl ee : . ' ,. to the gene ra l f ee li ng ex is t i ng on t hi s su bj ect N o b le Fr i end would give a copyright of 75 years. But p et ..i r shout Europe. From Russia to Spain, either the what period would he give to the " Lives of the Poets?" lad T of copyright', had been extended, or attempts Thirty years. What to the " Tour of the Hebrides?" to pee ",een made to extend it. In France the law gave a Thirty-six years. So here, in the works of one man, it. eght of twenty years after the death of an author was this enormous range, from 75 years to the first, to to e , event of his leaving any kindred, and a period of 36 to the last. Now, was it not better that he (Mm'. Ma slie, ears absolutely. He had already alluded to the caulay) should interfere, by merely coming in with the tiirt&ent report of that great poet and upright states- addition of 14, thus making the whole difference of copy= Pe rm : 1 . Delamartine, and he would, with th e r i g ht t o J o h nson ' s wor k s range b etween 42 and 49 years. hat s alon of the House, again quote from it. Take Fielden. The first of his works was • one that no to the rePort stated th a t " F rance was more i n d e b te d one would read before he had read " Tom Jones. " When t os tii Pencil of her artists and to the pen of her authors Fielden wrote the " Templeßeau,The had not exceeded the t enrd e high station she held i n E uro p e , th an even to t h e age of' 21 or 22 years. Yet to the " T em pl e B eau ," an d tho se of her warriors. Should injustice be done to all the other bad plays written in Fielden's youth, the the l ea den ? No ! Let it be the part of France to take Bill of .the Noble Lord would give a copyright of from Ise -li "- of Europe in this particular, and do justice 42 or 52 years; but to" Tom Jones," for the sakeof which e her - epaliterary men." What M. Delamartine said of the others would be read, the Bill of his Noble Friend 11, 4 7 ce, he (Lord Mahon) would say of England-let would not give a protection of more than 30 year s. am ari l tud take th e l ea d o f - E uro p e , an d b e t h e fi rst to An d the same would be the case under his Noble Friend ' s to t hee encouragement for h er lit er a r y men b y secur i ng pr i nc i p l e w i t h every em i nent wr i ter. J o h n Burke, for ex liteent a proper reward for their labours. It was well ample. His first little tract, which was an imitation of Ill y I _ ll that the distresses of literary men were peculi- Lordßolingbroke,wouldnowscarcelyberead,waspublisl i ed elli et‘ n eart-rending and afflicting. The same sensibility in 1756. and to that his Noble Friend would give a pro asit4"_enabled the author to attain to a high point of ex- tection of 65 years, whilst he would give 30 years only it :'e,.in his work, served only to aggravate his suffer- to " rho French Revolution" and " The Regicide Peace." tli,,,,act embitter his situation. The same imagination that He (Mr. Macaulay) would give eleven years more to thrlvered him to describe beautiful scenes, rendered him " The French Revolution," and 14 more to " Th e ae, l , ll °re unfit to contend with the harsh realities of life Regicide Peace," There was no doubt that those later 4in ih "'• same imagination whi c h ever ma d e him proud of works were those to which they should g i ve l ong pro esne,e'nourable calling, even in his di s t ress , an d w hi c h t ec ti on . He h a d s h own t h at t h e protect i on g i ven by his )44' 1 'lave placed him in a different position in another Noble Friend varied between enormous limits ; he If e l life, was to him the greatest a dditi on t o hi s p a i n - could conceive no re ason in justification of this, a l i ni e l eness in a lowly state.-(Hear.) That same power excepting that those which had long protection hi s ' as a manufacturer or merchant, would hate should be the 'best works, and that those which lie n 'll him high in the world, was actually turned a ga in s t received short protection should be the worst tme - s ' e t tod it had been said that his genius ought to be suf- works ; but such would not be the case. You might h i t for him of' itself, and that ho - ought not - to . ask for turn and twist this question all the world over, but still ktte•----(llear, hear.) He was not drawing an imaginary would find the same thine- to be the case. Go to Greece ill tis li t t ee. He could name many eminent individuals as and Rome, you would find w it the same. In Greece, to a ‘v,o u l d r4 tlons to the contrary, but he would not. He the worst works of Sophocles would be given the longest %vid 3 ,Pare their feelings ; but he trusted that those in- protection, whilst to CEilipus the protection would be 4 1 . 5. " 1 3 would be present to the minds of Hon. Mem short. The worst 'work of Demosthenes, which was 'if Let them take care that in injuring the interests 'the'" Oration against his Guardians," and which would kilt h riat .they were not also injuring the int e re s t s of not be read had his n ame no t b een to i t , wou ld rece i ve 4 i I wn• He would take, for example, such a work as a long protection, whilst his work "On the Crewn " 11 4 , Life of Nelson." They might depend upon it , would receive a much shorter protection. In Rome, the laetkithat book had animated many a young sailor, and first work of Cicero, "De Inventione," would receive a 'lle y ra ged him to the 'performance of great exploits. long protection, whilst his eloquent speeches would i 44 b °light depend upon it that many a 3 oung ' heart have but a short protection. In Spain, the worst copy -5,, teen inspired by its perusal to betake himself from right, but the belt Work of Cervantes, was " Don l t N4- 1- , s ics of peaceful industry and to step forward Quixote." In France, again, the " Plaideyeurs" ofßaeine "ae ' - f .nee Of his country, under the influence of that would receive a long protection, whilst the beautiful work ► l ssi t e eling of enthusiasm and admiration which- the " Athele" would receive little protection ; and in Ger %stirred up within him. He had just been informed many the worst work of Schiller, which was his - " Rob tile i n Right Hon. Friend near him (Mr. C. Wynn) that bers, ' would receive a much b e tt er p ro t ec ti on th an hi s 1 / 4 ,N1 1, 84 i ce he had supposed was not an imagin ar y one , " W a ll ens t e i n ." H e f eare d h o wear i ed the House. ), '4. t o 4 the 'eldest son of no less a man th an th e l a t e It was no t a matter o f c h ance that operated in k ak'anning, had been induced, by a perusal of the this manner. If the Noble Lord would sit down 'lNi fe , t ° which lie had alluded, to enter the naval with him and draw up a list of the books which, f it •(Hear, hear.) He' might state to the House, by his plan,. would have a copyright of sixty years, and ii i , 1 .. 1 : o w henl Sergeant Talfourd had introduced his of those that would have a term of flirty years, lie would 1 4 of the four classes interested in the subject- find that this last class included far better works than kiii o t 'e authors, the publishers, the printers, and the the former. It was a plain case; fin. the plan of his ~ hi e S„ three of those classes were strongly opposed Noble Friend gave the longest copyright to the books imieilteeasure • but, by the changes and modifications written at the earliest period of men's lives, fur if a man : tl ttc, t h e (Lord Mahon) had introduced, he had been published a book, as Pope did his " Pastorals," at six t'illl ,-; 1 0 obtain the support of alt the leading teen, he would of course have the largest term of copy i't S e - ;, the four classes ;• and that was proved by right. Now, they knew this, that although it: was per tup I, that they had presented,-- on a former evening, fectly true that young men often displayed extra- IN;P a t die petitions in favour of the Bill; Under these ordinary powers of genius, yet the juvenile works ~•,"Itse. a te ncee l ie would leave the casein the hands of the of great men were not generally their best. Ctli th he would recommend the measure to them, It was very far, indeed, from being the case even . „ ,Y ) 4 , f ' . , eonviction that, by, encouraging literature, and with regard to works of imagination, in which yOung ilf e ir v 'cling for its protection, they would not merely men were nearly on a par with old mon, for it -was not h ie th e tt Pon th ose w h o cu lti va t e d letters a personal boon, the fact that th e grea t es t wor k s o f i mag i nat i on were ' ki t i l Y would extend to the nation at large a public written by m e n un d er thi r ty-they were the works 1, kr %.•-,;:(Ilear, hear.) . -of men under thirty-five. With regard to works of ; iv i ,r4 2 4C_ AULAY then rose and said, that although ' imagination of the highest class, they could be . assigned ; l iee c ie 4 -11oni so fortunate, as to agree with his Noble ' to men under forty, for whatever powers a man might 44 141 in that House, he had always had occasion to possess, still, as Alarmontel observes, no m . aneould paint ,ritqledge time great kiiidneSs with which his Noble Portraits till he had seen faces-no man, till lie 11911 seen Si 1 Yoke of `himself personally ; and upon that occa- life and society could become a great painter, either . of t 'Qty: had to thank him fiw a very rare, as well as a life or of society. lii the use of language,. too, as with t ,"Nt :tit compliment ; for he believed that that was the all other instruments,, practice gave skill, and . there . reeceesion ,on which a s p eech "made in one Parlia- was also the freedom front those &dew vque ,',Y di h il ( 4 rl been answered in &tail in another. It would which a man gradually threw away during i'; R I , 'nit for him if he thought it advisable to do so) his life. Even with works of imagination in that . class i (lo )ll le ttt v t . ‘ ll ,at moment through the topics to which his of books, those his Noble Friend particularly favoured E, a nti it "end had adverted,, and to repeat the argue were not . likely to prove the best, while those he particu s, 'tigh t 11 4 ,( 1 the observations which ho had last year larly discountenanced were likely to be so, for lie gave a 43 se• f orward ; but he - thought it utterly unne- this enormous addition to books published at an early S,', 4l e Y l, n t° ,Ivander to those topics b following te r the e d, part of his life, and did nothing for those published -I , :i 1 ' 1 44, 1\1 in the details into which he y haelen , within three years previous to an author's death. i ti ',..`7 l (l t ; v er might be the objections of his Noble To books published in the last three . years of life t- - "e l ast - the s -eh which he (Mr. Macaulay) had lie gave nothing, and to those published in the last ill . e FT-- e, ay Year, his measure was all drawn up in con- seventeen years of life, .he gave less than he (Mr. 011 t „ r wallthat speech. He had objected to a copy- Macaulay) proposed to give. To works published during 1 1 , 11 ' , 44 h si py years as inordinately long; and his Noble the last seventeen years of life, he (Mr. Macaulay) gave a 7„ kii ( f,,,' cut-down the term to twenty-five ye ars . Ho a much longer term of protection. No person acquainted I,i`k,d ipat there was danger lest book s m i g ht b e su p- with literary history, could take all time works written in - 1 it C4'01,1 t he copyright were so much extended ; and ! the last. 17 years of the life of literary men, without l i - kea , e Frie n d h a d come f orwar d w i t h a c l ause ! being struck with the contrast these works presented 'to Otama t e 3t Pressly f or th e p ur p ose o f mee ti ng th a t ev il. those put forward at an earlier period, and which were 41 11 , Iii e i f e !I to 'inn, therefore, that if lie were to employ 1 the objects of the Noble Lord's protection. This one m e • dee e ltl e ,unsvvering the speech of his Noble Friend' in I argument seemed to hint to decide the question conn- Si Pt i,6 4 AVlg his own Bill, but the Bill brought for- pletely, and he would now shortly and rapidly run . over ~,ISh r . sr - Sergeant 'Talfourd last year-if he were to a few, and but a few, names of English works published Idly we " 1 _ self in arguing in defence of principles . . 1 which I within 250 years, and to which his proposal would give IL' Ili, er r e- not then in question at . all between himself the longest term of copyright, and his Noble Friend qo er',',?ble Friend-he should be throwing away the would find that it included, with scarcely an exception, 11: : li n '"e Committee. He proposed, therefore, to con- every great work, every work that constituted the lite- S e l l' l-ls elf strictly to the matter ' then under nary glory of the nation in tile - eyes of the world. He p. certainly did not give so lung te term as his Noble ti' ,l -..: ()n3 ideration-to -what he had never o 1: 4 q p il a l luely, to Friend to " Love's Labour Lost," but to. the other the protection to be given to of Shaltspeare, the noble dramas of " Lear," i l t itel i lettere. When .Mr. Sergeant Talfourd had plays 4 11 t 41 1 • Bill last he didnot fs i ., lies his year oppose its e‘ Macbeth," " Othello," the. " Tempest," to' all these he gave a longer term than his Noble Friend. The lilo on ` l ° ll , and he had :never countenanced any vexa- - '‘iile B ition tO the measure. He could even assure list included Spenser's " Faerie Queene," the" Novuin 04, Friend that he had intended upon that occa- organoo," and the "De Augmentis," " Clarendon's It lt tse vt)t e for the second reading of the Bill, and to History," " Paradise Lost," the 0 Fables" of Dryden, tee s " . m in tee me t the had to say until the House might have and his ~" Ode to St. Cecilia," the i " andSpe . etator ... . 1 3 / 4 ,' kt /1 , () Committee But Mr. Sergeant Talfourd had " latter of Aatiisonohe works of Goldsmith, the . UM k i ,,Nr,.." conclusion of his speech, that he desired that tories of Hume and Gibbon, Smith's " Wealth of Na :a,nd, he time poetry of Burns and Byron. If 1 / ICin large vote with him who was inclined toeut tious , " t , ell'ai l- a . r iarge portion of the 60 years. He had said believed, with the single exceptions of Wa -094,. -4- enlbers who might be disposed to shorten the verly," all the novels .- of Sir Walter Scott. 1 / 4 4 et to diminish the protection, that he did not He thought he might venture to defy his Noble Friend tk i t e t r they should give him their support-that lie li l to match that liet which he had just . enumerated, to which his (Mr. Macaulay's) proposition would give a ti y , It, t eeir support ; and that it was impossiule for S,, ‘ , to n ' Members, under the circumstances of the longer term of copyright than the Noble Lord's would. tl,,Nt. 4 ?te for the second reading while it would be In the case of Spenser's " Faerie gnome" and ' Paradise i i .'li kti " l ( -- ! to him to receive their co-operation. But I Lost," the addition would be 12 and 14 years. He . thought tl:lis aah e otne to time present discussion under different i now, if he had shown that, 011 the one hand, his Noble 'b. t _ta ta ces. Ile (Mr. Macaulay) was - not indisposed I Friend distributed protection unequally, whilst lie (Mn'. M.) distributed it equally ; and, on the other hand, that •' as t he protection given to men of letters •, he was 1 1 4 N 3 t, t ea& ► • niuch more ready, than his his Noble Friend's inequality of protection operated L, 3t, ,or enlarge , against the best master-pieces, and in favour of the worst that protection but he producticins of authors, that he had established a case „fa til e ino t d j e iir a i lar a n d e lich his p Noble ' Friend' pro 4{' CI te et h ilr e(' t that whi c hwas a common object to for the amendment which he meant to propose. •He : . i e ... l'ati, was abad m o de, and he thought the med . ) thought that other ielva?tages , also would arise from his llit'llis Fri amendment. One of thou was, that it a oulu ee mins to suggest would be a better one. His to il , lthat the right should be .1,,, lth ell- propose,. t Viii . 1 . cl fi ‘Ludition of 25 years. lie (g re M acau l ay ) Noble Friend's Bill, , He (Mr. Macaulay) was willing, t1 , ,,' , 4 " l 'it the copyright should be for life, or for a if the House consented, to add 14 years to the 28 already . s lie 4 2 y . tA,' aq ears, whichever would be the longer. He given. That would form real protection.. He was wil t !,' ~,,,t ` ) add a term of 14 years to the term of 23 ling to take the risk which might arise from the opera i%`kkl'Alii',',„''', if th e Committee would bear with him, he tion of his propositions in the case of any extraordinary l lta n strate as far as leie . " l matters u of that kind were whim which might seize any person who might become I , te e e ita t • e ° l • demo ' n ' Stration, that what he proposed was possessed of that term. It was a great advantage to every ilOma it ' a l nore reasonable, a greater boon to m e n of trade that it should not bedom trade, ttery. They should t At e r , 4 nMeli greater advantage to the public, than always aim, in legislating upon to put trade in such , l 'r * s tt : l Li:II s ir' Noble Friend asked the House to adopt. a situation that every person engaged in it should make ,e,,!tN:ivt-ellt, that, with respect to rewards for literary - 1 . 0 per cent., rather than that one of the parties engaged I '2oanal another nothing at t ee,,st I,was of the greatest importance that they in it should ma ce per cent. . 4 tlkt . P e r ••. equally distributed, that those which all. He conceived, upon all the principles of . trade, and ti •liiel • . lir: ' ku l d ohs should receive the least encourage- his . .. of thepatronage which ought to be given to literature, las tin, b advisablelpreferable v , e l ea st se of a contrary tendency should receive proposition was a very one, an. Bearing this mind, i u,:7,4,: h t e ; ti - ow ße L 'in he thought he would to that of his Noble Friend. When they came to the 3d t 1, , that what he proposed was decidedly clause, lie meant to move to leave out the words " and Friend. f • further •of 2'' • -commencing at the time 1 / 44 q, "I what was proposed by his Noble on a terns 2 5 'years, ears, _ ~ •le liietlnality he admitted they could not have, be- of this claim :" and when they came to the words 28 N ti tt) 6 ( , % ,,'",uld be a part of the term and life was sub- years," he proposed to substitute for the words" twenty . - ,t,cii I lk a i e , i t ,tie.s, and of uncertain length ' ; but if they eight" the words " forty-two." He conceived that if 41 to .1. sttively prevent inequality, they might do they adopted his proposition, they would give a great llOhtes'illiainish it by good legislation. It was iinpos- boon to literature at the smallest possible inconvenience 114 '0..1N: t - i t . ° Perceive how great,was the inequality under to the Public. t u tee al' th lstenn: Take the instances of two contempo- Sir ROBERT INGLIS was frilly aware of the disad le - sea enr „ 1 4 ,, ed . ovvn -two ladies who were eminently dis- vantage under which lie laboured in rising to address the 1,.-'iardeln it the lighter works of fiction. He referred Committee upon this subject immediately after his Right NI il liee t 4 i b 'Arblay and Miss Austin. Muss Austin Hon. Friend. Among those of late years who had 1 i,4,..- aL,l' after the publication of her well known spoken in that house, be knew but of one who could on . i l i; sTilee • rtne D'Arblay the authoress of " Evelina," such a subject have' ventured to enter the lists with his e ,sl e e 7 the copyright 'of her work for sixty years. Right lion. Friend, and that was one whose memory , ie lez lei - x - r e r ielid estimated the difference between the both himself and his Right Hon. Friend regarded with diminished the feelings of the deepest affection -he meant the late Sir 're - N . t4, ..v Jeers ;he (Mr. Macaulay) '' ''s . 1e .144 ; tau ei ghteen years. If they examined the lite- James Mackintosh.-(Cheers.) He (Sir Robert Inglis) eiltilt?,lkat'.7 lit this country, and took the works could not follow the Right Hon. Gentleman through the 4 . ‘ 01 k e tedi il len fur the two last centuries, they great and illustrious of literary men, whose names were re a pmelifind a single case in which his own Prin .. an honour to their country ;. neither did he feel it neces -4 -"'"•- - 11(4, be preferable to that of his Noble sary to do so. It was sufficient for him that his Right \ (11 hint in the consideration of this , q t 4 ll : „- -%r, hear.) Take, for example, Milton. non,. Friend had omitted to make any allusion subject, ,! " kt k ke s , l 4 4 ,' 4 Y d vig_ tit of all excellent works, the Bill of his most important .I , ( N * all 4k would give a much less period-the advan- namely, to what would be the feelings of the dying au - proposition. At that moment, to' 't a• t °nlled period would be given only to his thor with regard to his ii7 k !li k ii 4 l L k ,! .. • htiltonpuhlished his - "Comas" in 1636. when he most required . consolation, he might, tinder the ti n ',lletathe . his Noble Friend would give a copyright 'proposition ,of his Right Hon. Friend, be left to stiffer feelings that he was leaving his fa ,,i;,L hilt 3 ears -,- but to "Paradise Lost" he would from the agonising emi t , x -ei ebil., thirty-one y ear s. To " Paradise Regained," mily destitute-that the reward of his labours would die " 4 ' 4 (1 Agonfstes," IT would give but twenty - with him. Take the case of' an author who had survived m M - 1 ' ) his ' le for forty-two pars. His family at his c'w, see how his (-le -acau ay s mea- great )4141. 'Path woul I be left to the mercy of the worl 1, wh''c under the proposition of his Noble Frie el, an author thus situated would have the Certainty of leaving behind him a prpperty by which . his family might be maintained through the exertion of his mind in the same manner as if he had applied his abilities to the improvement of any mechanical art. His Right Hon. Friend had not made any allusion to that argu ment; that in every nation of Christendom, with tin single exception of Austria, the right of an author to a property in his works .after his death was distinctly re cognised. With the single exception of Austria, Oleic was not a State in Europe which did not give this po , - thumous interest in his works to an author, so that the ussposition of his Nobl e Friend was not so unprere dented as his Right Hon. Friend had assumed it to be. The question of the comparative merits of the two propositions could not be determined merely by the statement of his Right Hon. Friend. His Right Hon. Friend had indeed gone th roug h a l ong an d b r illi ant catalogue of authors who would have been benefited by the extension of the copyright to forty two years, but with. the single exception of Sir Walter Scott, he had omitted all allusion to the authors of the present generation. Mr. MACAULAY—Lord Byron. Sir ROBERT H. INGLIS begged his Right Hon. Friend's pardon. With the exception, however, of these two great names, no allusion whatever had been made to any authors of the present generation. • He believed that of all the illustrious authors now living, one only had ever sold the copyright of his works, and in his case his first endeavour had been to recover that copy right. lie would not attempt, for he knew that in his case it would be fruitless, to follow -his Right Hon. Friend is the wide range of literature which he tra versed ; bat in the case of the authors of the present century, it was clear that Mr. Southey, and Mr. Words worth, and Mr. Campbell, would, by the Bill of his Noble Friend, derive that benefit with respect to their literary works which it was the object of al' they should. He trusted they would not hear, certainly they had not heard from his Right Hon. Friend, any of those political economy objections to that protection which literature had a right to claim. Taking therefore his illustrations from the living literature of England, and from that which had recently adorned it, the proposal of his Noble Friend would afford more protection to that litera ture than would be given by his Right Honour able Friend. Take, for example, the three greatest poems of Southey, the greatest poems of Mr. Words- Worth, the greatest works - of Mr. Campbell and Mr. Rogers, and the proposition of his Noble Friend Would give that protection to those authors which would not be given by his Right Hon. Friend. He believed the "Pleasures of Memory" was published in 1796, but by the proposition of his Right Hon. Friend, the copyright would cease the moment they had the misfortune to lose Mr. Rogers. In the case of ril Sir Walter Scott's poems the copy - eight, supposing him to be still alive, and that he. were to die in the present year,- would be in the possession of his family for an entire generation. It was a presumption, also, in favour of his Noble Friend's proposition, that it was adopted in effect by every country of Europe, except Austria. In France the copy right was extended to twenty years, and such was the progress of public opinion in that country, that a pro position to extend the term to thirty years was carried inone House of the French - Legislature, and another preposition still more extensive was 'n contemplation; and here he should unite his voice in the expression of that opinicn of respect and gratitude which, in the course of •his most able and elaborate speech, the Noble Lord had elicited, and which showed him a worthy suc cessor to his predecessor in the cause.—(Hear, hear.) In France the copyiight was thirty years, in Belgium it was twenty, and if the copyright had been perpetual in Spain, the posterity of Cervantes would have been enriched by the profits of " Don Quixotte," a work which was produced under the greatest difficulties, In Russia the copyright was far more extensive than in any other country—a fact which certainly afforded a lesson to England, considering the superior enlighten ment of England. Under these circumstances he felt himself called upon to support the Bill of his Noble Friend, and he trusted that it would receive the appro bation of- the House. For the good, the proposition was valuable ; for the bad, it was inefficacious ; and whilst all must rejoice in the latter effect, he was sure that every right-thinking man would rejoice in the former. Mr. WAKLEY said the Noble Lord had, in :his opinion, entirely failed to show any necessity fOr an alteration in the existing law. lie had indeed stated that authors had petitioned the House for an alteration, but he would ask what right had they to complain ? lie was prepared to show before a Committee of that House that within the last 40 years the authors of this country had received for their labours a sum altogether unex ampled in the history of literatelv. Sir Walter.. Scott alone. had received the enormous sum of 250,000/. Where was there anything equal to it in ancient times ? --(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord altogether confined his sympathy to literary. men. Why not be equally con siderate to the authors of mechanical inventions, which often displayed powers of mind superior to those of mere literary men ? The whole question was .argued here as a question qua authors ; the public were entirely for gotten, although if the public ceased to read, the incomes of authors would be immediately cut off. Committees had sat in 1813 and 1818 to investigate this subject. Fourteen years were at length added to the term. The ,Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Macaulay) was willing to added fourteen more. He (Mr. Wakley) re gretted that the Right Honourable . Gentleman had made that concession. He had broUght before them a long catalogue of distinguished authors. The works of' those authors were produced under the old system. Did he hope to get better works under a new system ?—(Hear, bear.), They were produced at a time when authors 'worshipped something of a more estimable character than the molten calf. Authors, in the present day, de voted themselves solely to pelf and to the gratification Of an avaricious feeling.(No, no.) If it were not so, why were they now making application to P ar li ament for an increase of r ewar d ? Why were they not satisfied With the rewards which were received by such men as Milton, Shakspeare, Bacon, and Locke? He knew of nothing more degrading to literary men than such an application as the present. It was sur prisine.. , if they supposed they had a g oo d case , th at they had not sought for a Committee to obtain further information. What was the evidence of the publishers in the Committees ? Mr. Murray, in 1813, was asked whether, if the copyright was extended to twenty-eight years, the price would be increased to authors P. His answer was, that he did not think it would, because they could not calculate upon the value of the copyright extending to 23 years. On being asked, in 1818, whe ther he thought it would be an advantage to authors to have the contingency of twenty-eight years turned into a certain ty, his reply was, that, in his opinion, it would not ; there waanot one case in a hundred in which the sale would continue more than 14 years. Were they, then, to legislate for the one case and neglect the ninety-nine ? Were they to speculate for those men who eh l bse to be so disinterested, and carry their minds so far foi ward as to write entirely for posterity, and forget the present times ?—(Hear, hear.) Men were not generally anxious about what might happen when they had ceased to exist ;. their anxiety was in a /.;leat measure confined to the events which might Occur during their life-time. Men looked no doubt to a lasting reputation, but they were desirous that that reputation should grow up while they could enjoy it. It was like men who planted woods for their posterity, while they also expected that they would be of use' to them for their own game. Now, with • regard to the alleged paucity of books, lie would ask what indications there were of such a paucity ? If they applied at Paternoster-row, or at Mr. Tho Mas Tegg's, in Cheapside, they would find there' were plenty of books to be had, and at a very reasonable price too. No doubt there were authors, f'or whose productions there was no sale. It was to be deplored that these men had suffered from miscalculating their own powers, or the public taste ; but no interferanee of the Legislature could ameliorate their condition. A poet, • according to the origin of the word, was a maker, a manufacturer ; he invented something out of nothing. But he should like to know why any distinction should be made be tween poets and all other inventors. Look to Jenner, the discoverer of vaccination. Let them compare the works of any of their modern authors with the invention of that man ; fat them think of the hundreds of thou sands of human - beings whom he had saved from death, and the millions Whom he had saved from destitution. But time descendants of Jenner were not, knocking at their doors asking for a reward for his.discovery. The discovery of Joiner was made known- to the public, and thousands availed themselves of it. Bat, if such a dis covery were published in a book, no party could copy that discovery for a period of 42 years, and they would thus have given a priv:lege to the author of ills book while Jenner had had no protection whatever. Dark at the discoVerer of the circulation of the blood— Harvey. What were any of your literary men, com pared with him, or with Hunter, Hippocrates, and. Sydenham ? Heavens ! Was.a mere writer, a thrower together of letters, or a recorder of facts, to be honoured by Parliament, and rewarded with 'peculiar privileges, while such men as he (Mr. .Wakley) had named, who had conferred unspeakable advannages in human nature, received no protection, no consideration whatever in that House ? There were discoverers in medical science, who had conferred advantages on humanity that were abso lutely enormous. Witness many of the operations per formed on the human body ; the operation, for instance, of cataract for blindness. - Human ingenuity and research were now such, that an instrument was carried absolutely into the globe of the eye, the very organization was altered, the lens was carried to another chamber, the opaque, body was dissolved, and the man walked and saw.—(Bear, hear.) Yet to discover'the authors of such improvements, it was often necessary 'to search through volumes of history. Look at the case of a man who tum bles from a step of a house, fracturing the mansion of the brain, through a bone 'pressing on it. Now he (Mr. Wakiey) recollected a case, which he should never forget; several years :t i t° a farmer fell off a load of hay, and fractured his skull. He • was taken into his house, speechless, motionless, and perfectly insensible. He was surrounded by his wife and nine children, and the scene of woe that ensued he (Mr.Wakley) should never forget. The family believed that every instant the man would breathe his last. The surgeon, with whom he (Mr. Wakley lived, was sent for. When he arrived he ex amined the depression of the hone, eut down the scalp, introduced an elevator, raised .the bone that had been pressing on the brain, and in less than five minutes the man was sitting up in the bed receiving the cresses of his 'wife and children.—(lfear, hear, hear.) But who was the inventor of this operation ? He (Mr. Wakley) knew something of the history of his profession, yet he declared that at that moment .he could not tell. Such was the. retiring and unselfish. d i sposition of great me dical men. Yet these men who existed in' thousands, these great discoverers, did not find that their pursuits, any more than those of literature, were the paths of plea sure. How did these men acquire the knoWledge and the humanity that enabled them to dispense those bless ings on humanity at the bedside of the feverish, the dying; and the sufferers from contagious diseases. _ R - THE Pll ITRSD A V EVF,NIN(4-4 A PRI 1, 7, 1842, After death they had often to follow their patient. to the charnel house, to make farther and mo. dangerous observations to complete the skill and firmness that enabled b"n to relieve °tier sufferers. Did tiro. men petition the House for protection ? No ; the . were glad to be able t o conti :b ute infoi.avation for ae benefit of the . -- fellow creatures. Sometimes sOrdit: wretches did arise ;ri the profession, pretendini tha dhey had a remedy, but would keep it• a secret. Btu those mita were snuroed and scorned by the com munity-of medical men, as unworthy to belong to their profession. They were set down as paltry quacks. But what was the House asked to do with the poet who had but one ilea, which ..h• worked over 500 pages ?—.(Hear and laughter.) Ver: often he (Mr. Walcley) had read poetry without findi ; even one . idea.—(Laughter.) The poet says " I have written a beautiful poem; it is heautifu"y printed an bound, and all the world ought to give me a gi'ne each for it ; if they don't I'll go to my friend Mr. Ser. geant Talfourd, and tell him that I am a very ill-use. man, and beg of him to get me protection :on the State."—(oll, oh.) This was the truth, and he cook prove it before a Committee of the House. New, .h had a specimen of some of this poetry in his hand The poets asked for protection. He should like to set how much woirld satisfy them, for their roe of appro: bation was uncommonly strong and uncommoely deve loped, and generally they had very large organs of self esteem.---(Laughter.) lie was unwilling to read poetry to thi House, but he must give them a specimen of the kind for which protection was asked. That which lie was about to read was exquisite poetry ,; It was from a book entitl e d " B eaut i es o f the Poets. The book contained 1,000 pages, and consisted of selec tions from the most illustrious and celebrated living poets—the obscene ones were left unnoticed. It was a etii:ous fact that the present law was most stringent in its protection of authors. In this very work there were 28 pages extracted - :'..om the works of a living author, and that author had on that account applied to the Coin. of Chancery for an injunction to restrain the sale ofthese two large 'volumes, and he had made a solemn affidavit that he believed that the sale of those 28 p iges would injure the sale of his on a works. Why, it was uttz.rly incredible, if the poetry were good, to imagine that the sale of those 28 pages would injure the sale of his works: on the contrery, one would imagine that the reading that small portion would make persons more anxious to pos sess the remainder. He, was now about to read to the House a sample of those works which they were called upon to protect—he was about to read some of Mr. Wordsworth's poetry. He had not done this on any previous occasion, but he felt now that he was forced to do it.—(Cheers and laughter.) Surely, if they a ere so anxious to extend protection to authors ; it was but fi,ir that they should know what it was they were about to protect. He would now give the House one sample, of this exquisite poetry. It was entitled to " Louisa," and was as,follows : " Though, by a sickly taste betrayed, Some will dispraise the lovely maid, With fearless pride I say That she is healthful, fleet, and strong, And down the rocks can leap along Like rivulets in May. " And she bath smiles to earth unknown; - • Smiles, that with motion of their own, Do spread, and sink, and rise ; That come and go with endless play, And ever, as they pass away, . . Are hidden in her eyes. • " She loves her fire, her cottage home, Yet o'er the moorland will she roam . In weather rough and bleak; And when against the.wind she strains, Oh ! might I kiss the mountain rains . That sparkle on her cheek.. " Take all that's mine ' beneath the moon,' If I with her but half a noon May sit beneath the walls ' : i. , . Of some old cave, or mossy nook, - A . - When up she winds along the .bmook; ' 1 To hunt the waterfalls." .., , . In reading the second stanza the Iloti;'NemEer 'Was*- , . .. culiarly felicitous :-- • -- • . • " And she'had smiles to eartlt unkno vn "' '- " I wonder, what sort of smiles those are4T -said,. de Hon.:Gentleman, amidst .shouts oFlarightea,lwhich con tinued during die whole time the, Hon. Winker was reading..: At the conclusion, howevcir, sonie , 4l3,a, -Men', ber exclaimed-. `"Olt, oh.'") - No . peVseitt . - illegiliiita bra any right to be a ligeted arti/iiireit . tli . talls_ll 1 '',:l - . 0 had not done so from anylitiVid;Ong' ti k!" kl i tieel;4# 1 4 03 • ,Iralo ilwaii could - en terfain a highur4.4k4of i lup r i af .t gr, Wordsworth thank he did,' bil'ilAyargtie t t t: 1 -444;44ic,p;ge called upon to give proteCtaen,tetimulnon„ the:, Men of scien ce wh o 11.:Id conf e r kl, a i regogssupoislianianity had much higher claims upon4lacbkitalistiatisre,::anidahey Mould not. be doing their ainty..iftheasayasv protoction to the. authors of suck poems: fis , tkeiellinee to. &mkt," and suffered scientifio, men - to , tgo.AuinkliarticaPsielicers:; lle would now road " Littes•tensPfliettatfrat''"' '''- _ ". "I've watched . you MAY it all r l 9-4101kCr al a i : : Self-poised upon thatytili f i t i oito - ..4 I d zo ch ;,J And, little bAtte;fly, ins . I',.""' 1 - t or I know not if you As' p . sir fe4 ' 7 "' - -, . , How motionless! Not froczeihrititi r ' -''' •I More .mot 'unless ; andiheri,, , Wha• joy awaits kini al4l - 1 tristleire ) - 1 , 41 .: 1 . Ilath found you out among : 4oms, And calls you forth aasin ! This plot of orchard-ground is ours, . My trees they are, my sker's;floviera . . , Here rest your wings wheialoti arr 4 vary, • Here lodge as in a sanctuary : , , .„.... Come often to as, f ear rio Wrong, e _ Sit near us on the bough ; • ,",,,, We'll talk of sunshine and of. 50ng.,,.: . And summer days, when,we were young— . . Sweet childish days, that were as long As twenty days are pow." , Give a poet dew, and a rivulet a n d rugarden, and straight way there was a poem. That was. all very pretty, but could not everybody do the same. : Mr. M. MILNES—Try it.—(Cheers.) Mr. IVAKLEY—The • llon. 'Member for Pontefract had tried it; he had succeeded vile wasitrieet; he had pro duced excellent poems, and lie,(Mr.,Wrikley) only wished the Hon. Member had produced something more usefel to society.—(Cheers mid laughter.) Why. a man might go on writing such poetra, asaliat he had quoted for hours together; he might spin such lines by the mile. His " Lines to the Stock Dove" were similar.• Wen authors such as these came to that Honse and liked for an extension of the copyright, he (Mr. Wakley) would ask the House in re yevceodutldhadtoatmY Act of P ar li amen t they cou ld pass would ever give to such auth ors pay pecul i ar a d vantage ? t i u 3u r t n s i u f p t p h o e se y believed such a thing, ought they not also to recollect that there was a public —a people whom they were called on to instruct ? and would they give to authors the right of shutting up their ideas, and making them sealed works to the public fur forty or-fifty years ? What' said common sense ? Why, common sense sOd that as soon as a good thing was dis covered, it ought to be given to the public as soon as possible without injuring the inventor. That ought to be the principle on which they should act. Was that the principle which guided them? In the case of inventions a man takes out a patent for fourteen years ; then, if Ws invention were one of a very superior character —if he had not made a great profit by it, or if he were dissatisfied, he hail the power of going before a Julicial Committee of the Privy Council, and asking for an Wdditiorial term, and they would give him seven years more. Why was not that applied to the writing of books ? If a timing be superior, what matters it whether a man has impressed his mind upon paper, or upon copper, on iron, steel, brass, or the finest India paper? It mattered not ; in each case there was the same amount of labour; nay, in the sciences there was much more labour re quired thao in the production of such poetry as he had referred to, fur in them there were no poetical licenses allowed—all must be reduced to perfection with the greatest Licety. But the greatest men were not those that came bete to ask for an ex tension of the copyright ; aid had the , Noble Lord had any communication with Herschel upon the subject? That was a name not of inferior importance—that was a national name. Tske his work on Astronomy; Why it was worth more than the whole lot of poetry books put together. Did he come there to ask for protection? Did he say that literary men were not protected ? fie (Mr. Wakley) was sorry to see the bent which the House seemed to be taking on this question. The country required amusement and instruction ; the gaols were full of people who could not read or write. Was it the way to improve the condition of the people, by giving to authors the exclusive right of publishing their works, and at their own price?—and every one knew that authors did not place a small value on their own work. He held in his hand a list of the prices paid for various works, under copyright and out of copy right, which he would read to -the' House:—Sinollet's ‘• His- ..,- toiy of England," at the cheapest copyright price, was 3/. lO s , 1 the cheapest non-copyright price was 11. ss. ; Robe r ts on ' s ~ Works" fell from 31. 4s. to 1/. 4s. ; Tytler's " Elements of History" from 11. Is. to 4s; Scott's "Last Minstrel" from 2/. 2s. to Is. 6d. ; " Marmion" from 1/. 11s. 6d. to 10d. ; Gibb on ' s " Rome " from 61. 6s. to 18s. ; Paley's " Works " from 6/. to 7s. 6d. ; Pope's " Works" from 81. 14s. to 9s. ; The " Spectator," from 3/. 4s. to lOs 10d. ; " Johnson's Dictionary." from 31. 3s. to 2s. W. Every one must be de lighted with such falls as these. Now, allusion had been made to the distress of Dr. Johnson ; there was no doubt but that he was in great difficulties, but he laboured with great zeal and overcame them. But what was his opinion ? He said that were an author's right in his book to be perpetuity, no book, however useful, would be circulated amottgst•manki n d, s h ou ld an author take it into his head to restrain its circ u l at i on. Th e moment a book was written it should become th e property o f the public, for which the author should receive some return , and years. No doubt to thisensithe o e u opy t riht s hould be sec ure d to him for some that was correct. H e had now a copyright for 28 years, and he (Mr. Wakle ) Y. must say that h e thought those who called fur a change in the law sh ou ld ma k e out some ease for that change.-( Hear.) They sa id aut h ors had not sufficient encouragement ; he (Mr. Waldey) thought they had too much. He had already said that Scott received upwards of 250,0001. for his writings. No one cou ld h ave grudged it, anti if it had been ten times a s muc h h e (Mr. Wakley) should have been glad ; and he was very sorry seemed that thate verheshouitldwasa love h o e difficulty. Had he not turned bookseller, those difficulties pro bably would never have come upon him. Then, aga i n , P ore, for his translation of the i"llisd' r eceived 5,320/. ; Lord Byron, though he died young, received 23, 0,,0 /. for his w ot k 4 ; Sit - J. Mackintosh 5,000/ for his; Dr. Lingard 4 , 0 0(1/. ffelt gain pecuniary which diffi cu l t i es ; but it i brought hi m to that for his ; Wil berforce received 4,0001 for the Life of his fathe r ; Moore re ceived 3,0001. for " Lalla Rookh," and Southey I ,C )0/. fir his " Life of Cowper." He knew that in many respects the world was slow to appreciate merit. He had been an author himself in an humble way, and he never complained of the treatment he received, and yet I.e looked to the present time, and left posterity , to look after itself.-(Hear and laughter.) He did entreat the Noble Lord even now to relinquish this ob noxious measure; he asked it not as a priva.e ind , vidual, but because he thought it would act against the public,and beof not the slightest benefit to authors. if the House passed a law for the protection of literature, they must expect that 111011 of science would come there too-they were, in fact, entreating of them to do so-and ask for protection. Did they believ e that, under such a state of things in that House, they could benefit the community ? He put that question to the lions ~ and, he would ask, did they believe that men of science, who often perilled their lives in the cause of science, would see them do this, anti not give them protection? He could assure Hon. Members that he h.ol not quoted those fragme n t s of u p__,, try at , all in an invidious sense ; nothing was farther from his desire than to inflict pain on any party, and he would be the first to ' bestow on that author a grant of. the public funds if he could meat with a deserving case. But he did say that if protection were given to such a class of works, it would inflict a great injury on the people, and would confer no be- 1 nefit on authors. He s hould support the proposition of his lilnourable and Learned Friend, who had favoured them with such an excellent and argumentative speech an the subject, because he beli. LA it to be the best of two vile. He believed twenty-eight years quite lw g enough, and le thought that arty change mu t operate n ost disativan geousiy, and in no way. wh: teve could it operate to the advantage of the public.—( Hear. ) air. oi I I,N Es said, he slit uld only detain the 1-1, use with. ew observations, but ho thought that no man who had heard :he speech of the Hon. Member who had just sat down, could ‘ave f It it possible to rest ra'n from answering soma parts of his address. He regretted that the Hon. Member had been ed to make certain remarks, which he had made in so light and flippant a manner; and he did think that a decided •ritimation should be made of the fes ling entertained by that House of the improper manner in which the works of a most lelightful poet, had been brought before that House in a men ace quite in opposition to the forms of that House, and he was Awe in such a manner as could not but hurt the feelings of the eloquent and exquisite poet whose works had been thus win iassed. Besides, those rules were not at e't applicable to the present occasion ; he might as well have read poetry that he was more acquainted with and more accustomed to read—su ii the song of " Billy Taylor," or the " Cat's m-at Man," they would have been just as applicable. The works of M . Wordsworth were brought forward with no other object than to ~ast a slur on the poetical genius of that great man. It would be impossible to follow the Hon. Member through so very (lc eltory and unargumentative a speech, and he believed the Reuse must consider that the question laid between the Right Hon. Member for Edinburgh and the Noble Lord who brought forward the motion. The Hon. Member who had just sat town had talked of the question being argued in such a way that no attention was paid to the public; yet the lion. Gentle man brought forward no argument to show that the public sould be injured by this measure, he did not e%en attempt to trove that books world be made dearer. There could not, in fact, be any greater absurdity than to suppose it would in any palpable degree be increased in price by the copyright being ex. :ended. He b lieved that books published under the copyright were cheap. The books published by Whittaker—the trans lations of foreign histories, were the cheapest books in the market ; the Waverley novels were as cheap as could be. Both publishers and authors had found out that the cheaper they mold their books, the more profit they would make. Competi tion in publishing was one of the principle things which raised the price of the books, and where there was no competition books were dear and scarce. The works of the Elizabe:han dramatists, for example, because they had no publisher-, were difficult to be obtained; the works of Bacon, Fox, and many lathe: were the same ; but the best works generally fell in price after the lapse of some little time. The works of Sir James Macin tosh, published at 355., were sold for ss. a copy. The ques- Foe of comparative cheapness had, he thought, been completely answered; and, if any doubt yet remained, he would refer Hon. Members to a little pamphlet, written by his Hon. Friend the Member for Weymouth, called " A Plea for Perpetual Copy right." He was sorry that the Hon. Member, who had just sat down, was not ass in his place, because, when he (Lew that distinction which he did between men of seien. e and literature, be (Mr. Milnes) would tell him that there were men of science as well as those to whom the Hon. Member had referred, who had thought of this matter. Sir David Brewster had written on the same subject, and his opinion was directly oppo site to those of the men of science which the Hon. Member hail quoted. Those were the words of a man of real and pro found science. The Hon. Gentleman applied to the persons who came to that House to ark for protection the names of li terary quacks. He had spoken in this way of Campbell, Miss Martineau, Fonblanque, Fox, Leigh Hunt, Carlyle, Dickens, James, Rogers, and Johanna Baillle. These were persons who yielded them pleasure, and who had exalted the country. These persons the Hon. Gentleman designated quacks, whin at this very moment one of them, Mr. Dickens, was receiving from the whole American nation the tribute of all the assem blies in that nation. The Hon. Member for Finsbury, pro fessing as he did democratic principles and admiration of America, came there to insult that very class of men whom America delighted to honour. He (Mr. Mines) must tell him that there were other professional men quite as distin guished as the Hon. Member who took a different view of this matter. He found in that petition the names of Hope, Pro fessor of Chemistry, a name well known, Abercromby, of Edinburgh, of the Institution of Medicine, Bird, Professor of 'tirgery, and a great number of others, all of whom enter tained a different opinion on the subject to the Hon. Member for Finsbury. But he must really apologise to the House for detaining them. for he must say that the sentiments of the Hon. Member for Finsbury were scarcely worthy of serious con sideration. One remark in answer to what the Hon. Mem ber had said about the high remuneration of many literary men. He had spoken as if a literary cr-eer was always one of prosperity and enjoyment, as if a man who worked with his head had not just as many difficulties as the RIM who worked with his hands. When he taHied of the rewa-ds of Scott and Byron, he (Mr...Milnes) would ask him whether he forgot the enormous incomes paid to professional gentlemen ? Show him the literary man whose income was equal to Sir Astley Coo pers, or 'Sir . Benjamin Broeie, and the leading professional men in the metropolis. It was perfectly absurd to single out a few cases where authors were largely paid, and he did not think in any deheee overpaid, and say that therefore litera ture was a good profession, and did not require protection. In 'questions of this kind it was impossible that the House could keep up along debate, and he would therefor confine 'himself to a few remarks upon the propo s itio n o f t h e Ri g ht Ho n, M em b er f or g4bur g h. 'I he proposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman VMS one which was an .mprovement in the existing law, but he did not think the propositi on so goo d as t h a t o f t h e Noble Lord. Under the proposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman, if the author wished to sell his copyright he would not get one shil ling more for it. Therefore, as far as regarded immediate advantage to the author, he would derive no benefit whatever. The great evil he (Mr. Manes) wished to remedy was that of authors of great distinction and eminence, leaving their families almost totally unprovided for. It was a question interesting the families of authors more than the authors themselves. The speech of the Right Hon. Member for Edinburgh was a very strong premium for ;literary celibacy. The Hon. Gentleman who had spoken last aecu.ed the Noble Lord (Mahon) with being led away by sentimental tales. The Honourable Mem ber should have known that there was a tale of a certain eminent literary man, an historical writer, who had received from the country great literary honours, who was at the close of his life deprived by Providence of the great powers of his mind, and his family was almost entirely dependent upon him for support. When he mentioned the names of Ward end Smith, these were signal instances of the defect of the oresent' system. He slid not know that there was anything else, ex cept to coup atulate them on the tone of that debate, with the exception of the speech of the Hon. Member for Finsbury. lie thought such a tone would act most beneficially on the country —it would dispel the notion which had 'gone abroad, that lite rature was treated with very little respect in that House. There was a certain sum of money appropriated yearly for the purpose of assisting indigent literary men, but that sum was not more than. would keep a pack of hounds, and that was the only public fund in this country. In France the cae was dlfferent. f he present French law was that which they wished to make the law of England. But the French Government was not content with that state of things, and made an attempt to alter the period from 25 years to 50 years. A Bill to that effect passed one of the Chambers, and was rejected by the :other by a small majority ; but there was no doubt that the Bill would be renewed, and there was every probability of its being carried. The effect of this law in France was to produce an he-monious action between literary pursuits and political. The historian of the civilization of Europe was the Prime Minister, and the historian of the revolution was the Leader of the Opposition, and it was with the hope of connecting these two pursuits that the alteration was proposed. He should therefore vote for the proposition of the Noble Lord, egainst the amendment of the Right Honourable Member for Edinburgh, but he would see that it was a friendly litigation between them, for he (Mr; Manes) had no doubt that either proposition would confer benefit on the country. The clause was then put and agreed to, as was &so clause 2. On clause 3 being proposed, Mr. MACAULAY said it was here that he wished to pro pose that the words, " from the time of the death of the author" be omitted, and that the term of 42 year, or for life be inserted in its stead. He need hardly tell the House that be did not in any manner concur with the Hon. Member for Finsbury. He should not detain the House with any further exeression of opinion on this subject, hav:ng already addressed tde House, but he must say, that having listened to what had fallen from Hon Members, he had not heard any refuta.i n of his argu ment. lie believed that his proposition world confer greater protection to the author than that of the Noble Lord. He, therefore, moved the omission of the words and the substitution of those he proposed. Lord MAHON said he could not think that the plan of the Right Hon. Gentleman wor'd confer greater benefit the -1 his (Lord Mahon's). Sir R. PEEL said he did not wish to give a vote without stating the general conclusion h e h a d come t o , f rom t h e r •gu ments-he had heard on the subject. He had alwas felt great doubts on the subject. He had not hitherto given a vote upon the subject, but he was resolved, :.-em the impartial arguments he had heard, to form a right conclusion upon them. His im pression hitherto had been, that no further pro'ection was re quired (as was understood). He thought that if additional protection was given, a discretionary power should be given to some public authority to extend the term of copyright. How ever, as it appeared to be the general opinion that some a'tera • tion should be made, he should not press his own views. Having heard the speech of the Noble Lord and the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, he thought that the argument of the Right Honourable Gentleman, with respect to the period of forty-two .years, or for life, carried conviction with , it. He had, he thought, .proved that the later wo r k s o f an au th or would be superio r t o his earlier ones, and the e•melu‘ions he drew from his argument aibitiori, were borne out by facts, The Right lion. Gentleman had referred to the best authorities, rid had proved that, speaking generally, the works produced in the later years of authors were better entitled to protection as far as the interests of the public were concerned, than those pro duced at an earlier period. At the same time he thought there was groat force in the argument drawn from the position of the family of rn author, immediately after his death. He thought that, in some cases, an additional period of seven years might be combined with the proposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman. If he had to decide simply between the proposal of the Noble Lord anti the proposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman, deciding from the arguments alone, he thought he should give his vote for the proposal of the Right Hon. Gentleman. Mr. MACAULAY said he could not adopt the suggestion of the Right Hon. Baronet for as additional seven years. He thought the arguments he had urged all bare in some small degree on the contingency of the time of life. As to the argument of an author dying anti leaving nothing for his family to depend u p on , if i t too k p l ace ear l y i n the term of forty-two years, they had the remaider of the term. A book to be a valuable copyright after that term, must be a classic, and became a standeard in the language ; if it did remain valuable after that time, he could not see why the author, who had enjoyed the copyright for forty-two years, should not, like other professional men, have effected some provision for his family by saving out of it. lie could not, with any satisfaction, make any farther concession. Mr. WYNN thought it was not worth while to give pro tection to works of an inferior description. The copyright of a book that was of no intrinsic value, after the death of the author could be of no importance whatever. He should not enter into ar.y controversy as- to the case of a venerated living poet. He would allow the lines the Honourable Member quoted to be as bad as he described ; and if so, the passing the Act with respect to them was neither good nor bad. It is argued, are authors such slaves to pelf as to look to money only and not to fame ? Why, in the case of Dr. Johnson, did he undertake the " Lives of the Poets" merely for his own gra tification ? He undertook them for the booksellers in his declining years. He would recommend to his Noble Friend the propriety of combining the two proposi tions. With respect to ephemeral publications, they have lost their value the week after they are pub. lished—legislation was useless. With respect to the works alluded to by the Hon. Gentleman, it was of very little conse quence whether their copyrights had expired at the time of the author's death, as they were, some of them, called into notice at a subsequent period. Instead of a period of 25 years after the author's death, he thought it better to give an additional period of seven years after his death, or an absolute term of forty . years. Alluding to cases of scientific discovery, he was surprised to hear it stated that, in the case of Dr. Jenner, no reward was obtained. He had a P ar li amentary grant of money, and he hoped future Parliaments would follow the example in similar cases. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he wished to explain, in a few words, the vote he intended to give, if the House should be called on to divide on the amendment. With regard to the principle involved, with the exception of the Hon. Member for Finsbury, no one had spoke against it; and, therefore, it was unnecessary he should enter into that argument. With regard to the propositions o f th e N o bl e L ord and the Right Hon. Gentleman, he considered that either of them would he a great extension of the present law of copyright, and that by either of them, if carried, the legislature would be conferring a con- siderable boon on authors by that extension. He must say that on principle he preferred the proposal of the Noble Lord, and he had not been convinced by the arguments of the Right Hon. Gentleman. After hearing the arguments he had used there was no doubt that, taking the great ornaments of literature, both in•this - and other countries, as a body, it would be found that the best, works were produced during the latter part of the I; ves of the authors ; both fer the reasons he had given, and from the illustrations he had given, he considered the position of his Right Hon. Friend seas unassailable. The Noble Lord had adduced some instances to the contrary, yet he had not taken away . anything from the truth of .the proposition. That pro position, though true, was not, however, a ground for leg sla tioi. It was not a ground for the Legislature to proceed upon, that autho a generr'ly produced the finest poems and their best works at the latter tnd of their lives. In calculating the ex istence of the copyright, therefore, it seemed to him much better to go on the very simple principle of giving authors a copyright fir their lives, and a terminable period afterwards. The reriod should not be altogether less th an twenty five years, arid if an author died soon after the pu:dication of his book it 0 - .ould be extended to twerity.eight. This was very simple, and would not require them to tamper with any proofs as to whether the production tolk place at one period of the author's life or another. At the same time, lie thought that as the pr,:- positions so nearly resembled each other, it was to be lamented t hat there should be a division.—( Hear.) He could wish thct his Hon. Friend would concede the point as to the seven years additional, as it did not seem a very great concession. The effect of the alteration would be this; suppose all the works his Hon. Friend had alluded to had been produced in the eight or ten years before the death of the authors, then, from the time of their death, their works would be entitled to forty years' pro'ection. It would be a very rare case in which an anchor would live for 42 years after the copyright of his work . obtained a value. Such crses must be rare, and would not apply to such productions as some of the worthless plays of Dryden, it must be the case of a man producing a work of ex traordinary merit. It would not be a very great change, if the lion. Gentleman wor'd corsent to the proposed addition of seven years. Mr. MACAULAY said he must feel unwilling to carry his own views of the case against the general opinion of the Honse. But, he must confess, he had already gone a great way. He thought it much better to have forty-two years cer tain, than to have seven yes -5 added to the term of life. If the decision of the House should be pjainst him, and the Noble Lord could induce the House to take the modified pro position they had been speaking of, he could only say he should not offer any obstruction to the measure, but would do what he could to facilitate, though, of course, he should be less sa tisfied with it than with his ow a proposition. After a few words from Sir R. Peel, Lord Mahon, and Mr. Aglionby, during which conversation strangers were ordered to withdraw three times, the House divided. The numbers were— For the Amendment . tit% For the original Motion Majority for the Amendment —l2 Lord MAHON then said, that as he was defeated on the proposition of twenty-five years, he would propose a peric 1 of seven years after the author's death. Mr. MACAULAY opposed it, and would take the sense of sh e House on it. A division took place, and the numbers were— • Ay es Noes Majority Mr. AGLIONBY would now object to the proposition of forty-two years. Mr. NIACAULAY defended it, and the Committee divided, when the numbers were— For the Motion . 'Tor the Amendment . Majority, for the Motion —79 The period of forty-two years was, therefore, ordered to be the term to which the copyright is to extend. The question having then been put, that the clause, as amended, should stand part of the Bill, Mr. WAKLEY said, that he thought the amended clause so injurious to the public, while it would confer no benefit upon authors, that he should divide the Committee against its adoption. The Committee divided— For the clause Against it ... 17 Majority in favour of the clause Oa the next clause being read, Mr. WAKLEY moved that it be omitted. After a short discussion, strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the Committee divide d, when there appeared— For the clause ....... .. 69 Agains' it Majority for the clause....• ...... 13 Clauses from 5 up to 14 were then agreed fo with sane verbal amendments, after which the House resumed, the Chair man reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again on Wednesday-next, 101 PUBLIC-HOUSES BILL. On the Order of the D for the Second Reading of the Public-house Bill being read, Sir J. GRAHAM suggested to the Hon. Member for West. minster, the propriety of postponing the Bal. If the Hon. Member world consent to this proposition, he (Sir James Graham) thought he should be able to make certain proposals to him, to which :he (Sir James Graham) thought the Hm. Member would accede, on the subject of the transfer of licenses, and as regarded the Police regulations. Captain RODS postponed the Bill for a fortnight. Mr. WA KLEY thought the keeepers of public-houses had great reason to complain of the regulations for the interference of the police. Under the present system a most at-o cious assault might be committed in a public-house, and the puWican might send for a policeman, who, when he arrived, would not have any plwer to enter the house for the purpose of removing the party committing the assault, because he had not seen another assault committed. This was a grievance of which the keepers of public-houses had just cause" to complain, rid he understood that they had no objec tion to erll in the pol:ce on their own responsibility whenever they might see occasion. He thought that it was a matter well worthy of the attention of the Government. RAILWAY BILL. The further consideration of the Railway Bill was postponed :o this day week. _ CORN IMPORTATION BILL. On the Order of the Day for bringing up the Report on the Corn Importation Bill being read, Mr. M. GIBSON said he had a suggestion to make to the Right Honourable Baronet. There could not be the slightest doubt but that the present measure wee only a step to further and more extensive changes.—(Herr, hear, hear.) No one could be so credulous as to suppose, but that before long they must necessarily have another Corn Bill. Now, as he was aware that the Right Hon. Gentleman had the greatest aversion to holding out expectations which could not be Jul tiled, and to giving rise to hoves that must be disappointed, he would suggest the propriety of introducing a clause to limit the duration of the present 13111, say to one year—( A laugh)— for it would be only practising on the credulity of the farmers to pass the Bill in its present shape, and add to the distress of the manufacturing interest, which tad not stall been alleviated by the measures of the Right Hon. Gentleman, and he therefore hoped, as the question must soon be re-discus3ed, that some such clause as he suggested would be introduced into the Bill. Sir ROBERT PEEL could not consent to the suggestion of the Hon. Gentleman f o r th e ver y reasons w hi c h the Hon. Gen tleman had urged in support of it. He (Sir R. Peel) did not like to give rise to expectations which must be disap pointed. Now if he were to consent t o th e Hon. Gentleman 's suggestion he should give ritie to a general expectation that the Corn-laws would be . repealed—( Cheers and laughter)—which he did not think at all likely to happen.—( A laugh.) He attributed a considerable portion of the present distress to the uncertainty of the country as to the Corn Bill and the tariff, and he thought if the House adopted his (Sir R. Peel's) propositions, a great portion of the present distress would cease. Aft r a few words from Dr. BO WRING, the Report was brought up and agreed to with some amendments. THE INCOME TAX. Sir R. PEEL stated, that instead of to-morrow he should mention Friday as the day on which the discussion on the in. come tax should come on. WEST INDIA COLONIES. Lord STANLEY rose to more fur the following Select Committees—First, for the West Coast of Africa:—Lord Stanley, Viscount Sandon, Lord John Russell, Sir Robert Harry Inglis, Mr. E. Denison, Mr. Forster, Sir , ; Thomas Ac. Mr. Miloes, Mr. Charles Bu" e r, M r . Hutt,. Captain Fitzroy, Earl of M arch, Viscount Ebrington, Viscount Courte• nay, and Mr. George William Wood, and then fur the West India Colonies—Lord Stpiley, Mr. Pakington, Viscou n t Howick, Mr. Godson, Si r Lan:Bey Wilmot, Mr. Charles Howard, Sir Charles Douglas, Vernon Smith, Mr. Etner. son Tennent, Mr. Grantley Berkley, Mr. Hawes, Mr. Banker, Mr. Villiers Stuart, Mr. B arc l a y, ri d Viscount Chelsea. Mr. P. BORTH WICK trusted that the Noble Lord would take into consideration the propriety of extending the limits of his inquiries to India. Ater a few words from Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN, the Corn mit tees were appointed. TIMBER SHIPS. On the motion of Mr. GLA DSTONE the House went into Committee to consider of a Bill for preventing ships clear ing out from any port in British North America, or in the settlement of Honduras, from loading any part of their cargo of timber upon deck. Leave was given to bring in the Bill. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House Adjourned at a Quarter-past Twelve. STATE OF TRADE. (From the Manchester Guardian.) MANCHESTER.—The market of yesterday presented no change as compared with those which immediately preceded it. There was some demand for yarn for export ; but the market being overloaded by the quantity thrown upon it in consequence of the inactivity of the home manufacturers, prices continued to recede. For goods there was very little inquiry, and prices are little better than nominal. We are glad to learn that an arrangement has been made between the Directors of the Bank of Manchester and the shareholders of the Alliance Bank in this town, by which the entire capital and b us i ness o f th e l a tt er w ill be made over to the Bank of Manchester, on certain conditions specified in the subjoine.i resolutions, passed at a meeting of the shareh o ld ers of the Allianc e B an k , held on Saturday last : " That this meeting' do approve of the suggestion offered by Alr. Smith;` a:nd recommended by the Board of Director?, for t antferritg to the Bink of Manchester the entire assets and business of the Alliance Bank, in consideration of their assuming all pending liabilities, and granting to the Share holders of this Bank their engagpnent to pay the sum of twenty. six pounds in three years, with interest thereon at five per cent. per annum ' inyable half-yearly, i n exc h ange f or every share transferred to their Trustees. ". That this meeting do further recommend this proposal to the concurrence of their fellow- Shareholders, as the best means of rendering available their property in the Alliance Bank, and of relieving themselves from farther responsibility as re gistered Shareholders." Another condition .of this arrangement is, that Mr. William Smith 4 the manager of the Alliance Bank, will, for the future, take an active part in the management of the Bank of Man chester: If we may judge from the effects of these arrange ments on the price of the stock of both the banks concerned in them, they are likely to prove exceeding) beneficial. ROCHDALE FLAN NEL M ARKET , MONDAY, APRIL 4. There has been but a very indifferent market to-day; prices being low, and few goods sold. This last week there...has been a Government order for 12,000 pieces of flannel, which has been divided amongst ten or twelve manufacturers. It is gene rally supposed there has been great competition, and the or ders have been accepted a t ex t reme ly l o w prices. The wool market still remains heavy, and prices have undergone very little change. HUDDERSFIELD MARKET, APRIL b —The weather was beautiful, and a cheerful appearance was universal ; but we re gret still to communicate no improvement in the state of this market to-d a y. P er h a p s th e re was a little more activity i n t h e Cloth Hall; but b us i ness i n the warehouses was as d u ll as ever. Buyers evide n tly are a t a loss what to do, and theref ore mostly only purchase from sheer necessity. Prices remain much the same. There wer e more inquiries for wool, which indicates a fair amount of orders in hand. Emigration still goes on : up wards of a hundred persons left this neighbourhood since the last report; and the bad news from India, and the dismal prospect for trade, will stimulate others to follow. S MARYLEBONE VE TRY. A large meeting of the ratepayer s and parishioners of the parish of Marylettone was held yesterday aftertraon in the Workh :use-yttrd, Alarylehone. foe tie. purp ese o r receiving the Report ofthe Committ e e amointed to oppose the Bill now before Parliament, eittitled The illaryletaort e Vestry Bill. G. A. YOUNG, Esq , took the Chair, and briefly explained the objects of the meeting. Mr. C. Fi.e ran, the Vestry Clerk, read the _Report of the Committee,: which was as felloes : - - ST. AIARYLEBONE PARISH BILL. Fairrt of Committee jointly appointed at the Public. Meeting of Ra'epayerc.on the 7th ;lay of March last, and by the Beard of Vestry, for the pu?pose o opp' sing the above Btll in Par liament. The various methods by whieb an effectual opposition cauld be made to a Bill which seeks to deprive the ratepayers of this large amlopulent parish of some of their most important rights l a n n i t pritle I l nef ii oin gt u n der lime to time, sii iith te o e h v e cp ii:iie a l d r4.l of your by them Coin i ein%yill be seen in the fallowing brief statement, chi h they have much pleasure in submitting to their fellow-parishioners. At the period of holl.ng the la.t public meeting there was hut a vet ysh art time to e'apse befor e the day appointed for the second retell gof the Bill. It aas therefore, the first duty of , Yta ; io u n r s C a igamr, against it tstacai s e condtoittiti .n reading, lhe House a t!pfeCtiotinoin was presented, s i gne d by 3,477 ra t el avers, in addition to a petition presented by the Boards of Vestry anti Authors to the same effect, %%bast the petition of the promoters tit the Bill, notwithstanding the surreptitious manner in which many of the signattues were publicly proved to have been obtained, con tained only 600 signatures. The Bill was read a second time on the Bth day of March, and to show the intense interest excited in the public mind by so extraiirdieci a measu e as the one then introduced, your Committee have only to state, that no less titan 337 Members attended, bring the largest number, it is believed, that ever voted on a pi ivate Bill. Your Committee have been in communication with the pa rishes on the south side of Oxford -street, and the poprlous and influential parish of St. Panc.as, whose interests would be ma terially affected if the Bill was to pass into a law, and they have much pleasure to report • bat the parish of St. James, Westminster, and St. Pancras, have cerdiallv co-operated wi h them, by presenting a petition against the gill, alai the former parish have actively engaged themselves in painfng out to their representatives in Parliament the pernicious tendency of the measure . ; and as a result of such exertions it is important to state that the lion. and Gallant Member fur Westminster, the Hon. Capt. Rous, and his colleague, Mr. Leader, voted against the second reading. Your Committee would riot omit to mention that the Hort. Member for Middlesex, Col. I'. Wood, who introduced the Bill originally to the House of Commons, upon being made ace quainted with its real nature, at once gave up the previous charge into other hands, and not a Member of the Metropolitan Boroughs being found to move the second reading, the unplea sant task devolved upon the Hon. Member for Lyrnington, Mr. Alackinnon, well known as being one of the active meraera of the old se!f-elected vestry. Your Committee are inclined to believe that such second second reading would not have been attempted but for the statement then made, that two very important clauses, naenely, the one raising the qualification of vestrymen from 40/. to 60/., and the other seeking to secure a snug place for a treasurer at a salary not exceeding 1,000/. per annum would ultimately he w,thdrawn. Your Committee have since the second reading of the Bill prepared and presented petitions to Parliament, as well from the ratepayers as from the Board of Vestry, praying to be heard by counsel, agents, and witnesses against the preamble and the several clauses therein contained. Your Committee have much pleasure to state that, in order fully to carry into effect the p rayer of the foregoing petition, the valuable senices of G. A. Young, Esq., Wm. Theobald, Esq., R. Thomas, Esq.. James Cop pock, Esq., anil E. G. Randall, Esq. have been gratuitously offered and accepted. Your Committee would only state, that the more they have considered the Bill the di eper is their antipathy to the objects contemplated by the promoters thereof, viz., to disfranchise a vast majority of the ratepayers, both parochially and politically, to create disunion and discontent in all parts of this most ex tensive parish, and eventually adding to the existing burdens of art already over-taxed community, by thus introducing a Bit which, under the guise of a l• Private Paving Bill," would repeal the vital clauses of the Public \ r esit ies' Act. Your Committee, therefore, ie conclusion, reiterate that they are ready, heart and hand, to give this Bill their most de. termined and steady opposition, in which couelu ion they have the fullest confidence of having the support of every ratepayer who values those privileges which are beyond all price —privi leges which your Committee, on the behalf of all, are earnestly desirous lather to increase than impair, and to perpetuate the same to the remotest generation. Mr. LANPILAM proposed the first resolution, to the follow ing effect :—That the meeting had heard and considered the report of the Committe of vestrymen and ratepayers detailing the steps they had taken in opposition to the St. Marylebone Paris'i Bill, and also the proceedings at the conference held with the promoters of the Bill with the greateit satisfaction, and the fleeting therefore urged upon the Committee to con tinue their strenuous and unc imptomis ng opposition to the Bill. He (Mr, Langhatn ) was not one of those who had been honoured with au invitation to nicet Dr. Spry and Mr. Pope, but by the courtesy of the Doctor lie was present, and he thought no man was more suited to humbug a Radical. li e (Mr. Laugh= ) had great respect for the Doctor's talent, but he must say that the interest advocated by him was not synonomous to theirs. -1 Cries of " Hear, hear.") He held in his hand a return of the amount of the church-tate& collected in that parish for nine years subsequent to the time the present. Bill rains into operation. In 1825 the aureh rates were 16,263/., in 1826 they were 16,706/. in 18°7 16,8821., in 1823 17,297/, in 18.41 17,2371., i n 1830 1 11,530/., in 1831 11,3171. The Coalitata St here intimated that this was notthe qucee tion before the meeting. Mr. LANGIIAM said it was a very important question, and he hoped the meeting would allow lints to go on. In 1833, when the stew Vestry Act mine into opeiation, the amount was 8,632 L, in 1834 6,111/., in 1835 6,170/., in 1836 1 0 85/., in 1837 6,3531, in 1838 8,430/., and in 1839 to 6,4721, so that they would see that the amount of church-rates had been reduced nearly twt-lhirds of the former amount. It was in consequenceof this great reduction that the Bill before Par. liament was introduced. Ile did not believe the jeomoters 0 the Bill were sincere, for they wished to divide the parish into districts in older to obtain power. lie was satisfied that if the late Mr. Cobbett had been placed as the candidate for the whole country, that he would havb been elected with a very large majority over any One else ; but going lido districts he was defeated continually. 11 ( Mr. Laugh= ) f e lt po s r tro piw.e ngl d y on the subject, an d h e was deter,mined to opp ose the measure to the utmo s t of hie power. Mr. Ereeorr, in seconding the resolution, said he thought it was not a just or fair mode of proceeding on the part of the promoters of this Bill to have commenced their preca dings in holes and corners. Thei r d u ty was to h ave summoned the rate payers, and to ascertain their sentiments on the subject. lie thought it would be a disgrace to the House of Commons to pass such a Bill—( Hear, hear) - and he hoped and trusted they woad reject it. Mr. SAVAGE said it was a very precarious thing to entrust the interest of a parish to any Committee of the House of Com mons, for there Wa, , great laxity in the proceedings of thuee Committees. He (Mr. Savage) did not belong to either of the parties who had got up the Vestry, or the promote* of the Bill. The Bill proposed to raise the qualification, and his decided opinion was that the qualification was already too high, and he should therefore give that part his -strenuous opposition. The term parish conveyed a very imperfect idea of the place, for it was rather a city. One parish contained not less than 1,000 houses, in another 2,500, an d i n C hristchurch 5,000. The Bill provided that a certain quantity of Vestrymen should be elected for each district, and it provided that the Church% ar dens of each district should send to every ratepayer iii the dis trict, a list of all persons, alphabetically arranged, named for the representation of the ward in the vestry. It was his opinion that under this system the election of vestry men vvoild be more fair than before.—(Loud cries of " No, no," and some cunfus:on.) ale recommended : them to do nothing rashly. " I want," said Mr. SAVAGE--. A Vow E . — .1 pot of half-and-half.— ( Loud laughter. ) Mr. SAVACtE said, to him it was matter of indifference what resolution was passed, but he hoped they would consider tke subject with calmness and deliberation. Mr. Siait said, he felt much surprise at the extraordinary position Mr Savage had taken that day.-4 lime, hear.) He (Mr. Sodar) could hardly have thought it possible for a set. of men to draw up 300 clauses, not He of which could be ad mired, and when Mr. Savage came and expres,ed his admira tion of a port ion of that Bill, he (Mr. Soder) was quite sur.. prised at such a proceeding. lie forgot to tell them that the parish would have to pay the expenses of this Bill if it passed. Some gentlemen had said something Mount half-and half, but he must say that Mr. savage was not " all hail."—(Laeighter.) He trusted they would not be induced to re:inquish their op position to this Bill, for if they did not go the whole hog, they would be taken in and done for. Sir B. Ilwt.r. said, it was a source of great satisfaction to find that measures of such great importance, and of such vita! inte rest to the peo, le, should be diseus,ed with so much calmness and deliberation. It would be in the reeolrmion of all that that was the second time the subject had been b.ought before them. An attempt was made to interfe e with the Local Act of the parish, and be could net without an effort again , t it, such an interference' to be made. From the einsiplex'on of that meeting he was led to believe the feeling of Cie parish was, that the present Act should not be tampered with. 'the last time they had assem bled was before the second reading of the Bill, and it must be known to them all, that he had done all in his humble judgment .- to prevent the second reading of the Bill. Ile was the not sanguine of success. Ile had stated that the circumstances uneer • which this Bill was brought forward were very suspicious. , He thought; from the , n tuts of the deputation, that they could not doubt who the promoters of the were. He would just touch on the provisions of the Bill. The qualifi cation of vestrymen had la en abandoned. To show the ani mus of the parties who supported this Bill let them consider the proposal to levy the rates to be paid in advanceo lie did not wonder at this being abandoned, for he did not know where they would find 'people whowould like to dip t heir hands into their pockets twelve months before the money was due. With re spect to the balloting of vestry men, the Bill provided that the list of vestrymen was to be left with each rate-paYer, bat if the rst was not the election should not be vitiated. • Now if one less than 40, or one more, was placed on the vote, . that vote was rejec'ed. With regard to the clause respecting the salary cf the treasurer, he believed that an alteration was proposed, but what was that alteration? The original proposition was that the salary should be not more than 1,0001 oppose the Bill,. a year, and th e a lt era ti on was t h at i t s h ou ld not b e less than3l )1.; so th a t w hil e it cou ld not b e l ess t h an 3001 . it might be • raised to 3,000/. - The Hon. Baronet concluded by s t a ti ng that he should s till, t o th e b es t o f his power, The CHAIRMAN, before putting the resolution, rea d letters from n l‘ t i t e r da ‘V L k e. leY The arid resolution u ri - a l‘ t K nns°tnh' apol og ;i ng for their uo-aen put an d carried. A soion was also passed for f orm i ng a subscription for A resolution was then passed, renewing tilt p owers of the - . Committee.re the purpose of opposing the Bill, and the mi eting separated. EN6l.lsll TomuS 1N Cuts/L--0n the northern Aide of the island of Koolongsoo, opposite to•Amoy. are two tombs of brickwork, supporting stone slabs placed horizontally, bear ing the following inscriptions .-Ist, " Here lyeth the body of Captain Stephen Bak r, who commanded the Success, who died ISth October, 1700, aged 49 year." The masonry of this has been undisturbed, and is in per:ect preservation. ad. " Here lyeth the b dy of John llvffill, son of Henry Ds . ttill, commander of the Turnbull, who died, wt. 13 years, Iti9:_4." The bricks have stink down on one side, and the slab has de clined with them. There is also an upright stone, bearing an inscription in Portuguese, surmounted by three Crosses. Canton Press. A letter from Salamanca gives an account of a I llali , named Adan, 4ti,ve,of e n in the province of Cuenza, who, "t - 4,„cprtAin distance a cart from his procq riinis iti th, it , eit.)nd. the second Sampson. A shirt time ago he und ertoo lN o d r Sw with a load in it, equalling 10,0(X) lbs., and wottld have accorn. plithed his task, but from L ome men on the eiR tiding up to They ffsrbilanced the vehicle, and by it s see how he worked.- fall so seriously injured the feel the modern Sampson, that he has ever since been confined in the hospital. Lieerpo,d has -during the Mgt fortnight resembled a garrison town, from the numbers of siddiers of various regi. ments in its Oreets, on their rout e f rom S cotland and Ireland to Portsmouth, where the reinforcements for India are collecting, • _ :~~~