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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDA.Y.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. AMENDMENT OF THE CRIMINAL LAW. In reply to Lord BROUGHAM', The LORD CHANCELLOR said that a bill was prepared in reference to the amendment of the criminal law, and hoped that it would be found on the table im mediately after the Whitsuntide recess. Lord LYTTELTON said it would be desirable that all the measures relating to the amendment of the crimi nal law should be proceeded with without delay. The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition com plaining of the loss of fees by the premature closing of burial grounds. The Bishop of CHICHESTER presented a similar petition. The Earl of HARDWICKE presented a petition in favour of closing public houses on Sundays. The Earl of WICKLOW asked whether it was in tended, after the proceedings of the previous evening, to prevent peers leaving the house after a division had been called I A conversation here took place, in the course of which Lord REDESDALE said the practice of the house was to have the doors locked during a division. The standing orders were imperative on the subject, stating that no peer should, after the question was put, leave the house until the votes had been taken, or that the house had proceeded with some other business. EARL GREY'S RESOLUTIONS ON THE VIENNA CONFERENCES. Lord LYNDHURST wished to ask the noble earl opposite (Earl Grey) what course he meant to pursue with respect to the motion which stood in'his name for Friday next ; whether he meant to deviate from the course which he had intended to pursue, in conse quence of the scene of the previous night, of which he believed the noble earl was a spectator ? Earl GREY said he most undoubtedly was a spectator of the scene to which the noble and learned lord had ad verted. He could not say he was an edified spectator, (Laughter.) He could only further say that he was not at present aware of any sufficient reason for post poning the motion of which he had given notice. If, any reason could be shown why he ought not to bring it forward he would be prepared to consider it. The Earl of DERBY said he did not mean to sug gest any course to the noble earl; but he had understood that he postponed his motion in order that it might not interfere with the very important discussion which bad been expected in the other house, and in order that when it came on he might have the advantage of the prestige which would no doubt have accompanied the develop ments in the debate elsewhere, as well as of the division which would have occurred, and he would suggest to him that similar motives to those which induced him to postpone his motion till Friday should now lead him to consent to a further postponement. Earl GREY said that in consenting as he bad done before to a postponement, he had not been influenced by any personal considerations. It was strongl9 repre sented to him that those who took an interest in the subject in the other house thought it would be disadvan tageous to them if he brought it forward, and having uneerstood that they were predetermined to introduce it, he, with great reluctance, and against his own opinion, consented to postpone his motion. Lord LYNDHURST said he unierstood that it had been stated that some negotiations at Vienna were still pending, and that it would be contrary to the public in terest for any discussion to take place until those nego• tiatiens were closed. He was very desirous ed knowing what was the state of those negotiations. Earl GRANVILLE said his noble friend (Earl Grey) who witnessed the scene of the previous evening must be at least as able to answer the noble and learned lora as himself. It was not true; however, that the negotiations at Vienna were closed. Th 3 Government was open to receive any proposition which might lead to a sale and honourable peace; and they would, on the other hand, decline any terms which they thought might lead to a contrary result. The conferences, he repeated, were not closed. It was for the noble earl himself to con sider, and he (Earl Granville) should be the last per son to point out to him what couree his sense of his public duty would lead him to take. He made no ap peal to the noble earl on the part of the Government ; all he could say was, that her Majesty's Government would be prepared to meet the question whenever it might be brought forward. Lord LYNDHURST said the noble earl had stated that the conferences were not closed. Were any nego tiations going on ? (Hear.) Had any proposition been made by either of the five powers ? and if so, was that proposition still under consideration, or had it been re jected ? Was there a probability of any further proposi tion being made, and had the Government made up its mind as to the period at which the conferences should be closed? These were, he submitted, important considera tions. He had never heard anything more vague 'than the statement of the Government on this subject. The subject then dropped. THE FIBRE COMPANY BILL. The Earl of HA - RDWICKE moved the suspension of standing order No. 176, in order that this bill might be read a first time. He said he knew nothing of the pro moters, except that their object was to carry out a new invention for the manufacture of paper. From 1840 to 1854 the consumption of that article increased from ninety-six millions to one hundred and seventy million pounds per annum, and there was great difficulty in sup plying an adequate supply. It bad been recently dis covered that flax was an article which could be used in the manufacture of paper ; the fibre which remained after the extraction of the oil being well adapted to the purpose. The order which stood in the way of the second reading of the bill had been suspended in favour of railways and of the electric telegraph, and its suspen sion in this case could do no injury to the public. After a few words from several noble lords, the motion was withdrawn. LEASE AND SALES OF SETTLED ESTATES BILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR sail that when he moved the first reading-of this bill last week he had stated shortly the object and provision of this bill ; be would,_ therefore, only move that it be read a second time, which was agreed to. ECCLESIASTICAL PROPERTY (IRELAND) BILL. Lord MONTEAGLE moved the second reading of this bill, which was agreed to. CUSTOMS DUTIES. BILL. This bill passed through conimittee. SPIRIT, &c. DUNES (EXCISE) BILL. This bill passed thr ugh committee. SEWERS (HOUSE) DRINAGE BILL. On the motion of the Earl Of SHAFTESBURY this bill was real a second time. The standing orders were sus pended, and the bill passed its remaining stages, an alteration having been made in one of the clauses in committee. RELIGIOUS WORSHIP BILL. The Earl of SEIA.FTESBURY moved tho second reading of this bill. The Earl of CARNARVON hoped, as the bill was not an important one, that the noble earl 'would post pone it till after Whitsuntide. The Bishop of LONDON seconded the request of the noble earl as the bill involved an important principle. The Earl of DERBY suggested that full opportunity should be given to consider the bill after it was in the bands of their lordships in the amended form. The best course would be for the bill to be committed pro forma, and then recommitted after the recess. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY acceded to this sug gestion. After a few words from the Bishop of LONDON and Lord RIDESDALE, the bill passed through committee pro forma. PARLIAMENTARY REPRESENTATION (SCOT• LAND) ACT AMENDMENT BILL. This bill passed through committee. REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS &O. (SCOTLAND' BILL. This bill pass passed through committee. METROPOLITAN INTERMENTS. The Bishop of LONDON postponed the resolutions of which he had given notice, on this subject, until the first Tuesday after the recess. In answer to a remark from Earl GaxxvlLL . n, as to the majority of the bishops having left the house at an early hour, The Bishop of LONDON said that the right rev. brethren, in common with him, abstained as much as possible from taking any part in mere political debates, or from voting on mere political questions. The house adjourned at half-past 7. o'clock. [ HOUSE OF COMMONS —YESTERDAY. The SPEAKEA took the chair at 12 o'clock. EAST KENT RAILWAY. On the question that this bill be read a third time, Mr. JAMES M'GREGOR moved that it be not read a third time till the evidence and report of the committee shall be printed and circulated among members. He ,_ .. moved therefore the postponement of the third readin g to the 4th of June . After a few annidettliTnr.fativ remarks from Mr. Rice, Mr. Lushingtony The Againstrnite n. 7ife.. the numbers were :- 21 The bill was then relaldaja° Roads Bills were Majority time and passe l d 9 7 8 The Luton, Dunstabl e, Welwyn Railway, and the Lyme Regis were also read a third time and dp asse The following bills were considered and o r d ere d t o b e o est d ,.. Winsor R oa d s r ; read a third t me : — Bridport and Caledonian Rail W ay ; Oxford, w ore R a ilwafy (narrow gauge); p 't:et hampton and Wolver- Wellingboro u g h Road ; Sunderland Do c k . .b.w'ro.ogh and 'gall and Preston Roads, North of Yarrow. BUSINESS OF THE Housz Mr. WILSON said he had been asked by Several members whether t he Government intended to g o i nto committee of supply on Thursday night ; and it m i g h t be c onven i e nt to the house if he stated , that if the he n , member for Aylesbury (Mr. Layard) did not bring for ward his motion on that evening the-Government would go into committee of supply' -- --.'''. e __ --.,M ETROPOLIS LOCAL MANAGEMENT BILL. . :i, , :: ,...-Ar;, , i 'O t. n the order of the day for the house going into corn ,s:t,.-Cii ra 99„ on the above bill, . Aftdi a few t A, ,,, the ele ct • chaff moved that clauses 27 and 23, which ALL o d n o f chairman of the board, be post- Pone'. Viscount B B . 4 • Slli la relate to . 11 4 , - ... -poneAr pii, , .... The motion was a,reed to. , . Ort i Vaue 35 -7 ) RINGTON, _ - -- f ~!~ THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVEN ING, MAY 2 . 3 1855 Sir wl H e aLl . moved to strike it out in order to intro.! resolution that the house should adjourn for the recess tinue to hold the trust which has been committed into c. d uce i nto the bill certain portions of Hobhouse's Act. —and 'for au unusually long perieil without - s aute their Len I , , hey nail e. tee- n a s eee e,- , r r Agreed to. - mean s being taken by which the public m y be re- nee i tee . - . e'v ie - e a e - I Cl au ses up to 40 were agreed to after a short &cue- a imated -by which we teas obtsie , some in ae ceo , ' .. ei - at, , ola e . 1 -.. t , ..„ e e a t •e , ii .Li le sion. - and explicit idea of the actual pesitien of the country , and which will hot be calculated to accomplish these oh- On clause 40 , providing for the inspection ol books by . with reeard to the question of peace or war thaw we at I jects f w the attainment of which we have entered upon ratepayers , present posse-•. (Cheers.) I said 'that this was a eines- I the prevent contest. It is not from those who sit upon Sir H. WILLOUGHBY suggested th a t own ers of . then which principally affected the honour and also the these benches that the acceptance of ignominious terms property, as well as ratepayers, should have the right of I reputation of the house. The house will perhaps recol- of peace shall proceed. I trust that no man in this I inspection ; and, after a short discussion, the suggestion lect that in 1853 there were, he was informed, negotia- country, however much he may wish fee peat —and of the hon. baronet was adopted, and the clause was tions of great moment then taking place, on the issue of Heaven knows every reasonable man must wish or an ordered to stand part of the bill. which the question of war mainly depended. Under honourable Peace—l tru•t, I repeat, that no man in this • Clauses up to 46 wer e agree d t o , w ith a few verbal these circumstances, great and natural as was the curio- country who calls himself an Englishman, and w h o hopes • amendments. sity of the country to know in what position it really wee not - to be regarded al a degraded outcast, would lend the ,‘ On clause 47 b e i ng p ro p ose d, the object of which was placed - in reference to a contingency so awful, and ready sanction of his name to terms of peace such as the right to provide that all sewers except main sewers should be as were many members of this house, in the fu'filment lion. gentleme n has just indicated. (Cheers.) I under the managem en t of vestries and district boards, unquestionably of their duty, to obtain information from DIPLOMATIC ESTABLISHMENTS. * ' Sir B. HALL said, that this was one of the most im - Government durin g the session of 1853 on that important. er r WISE th en rose to move t h e f o ll ow i ng resolu • portant clauses in the bill. It had been introduced q uestion—the house w ill recollect that it was totall y im- lien :—" That it is the opinion of this house that the after great consideration, and be should refrain from possible to obtain an opportunity to discuss that wiper saying one word on the subject until he had heard the taut question; because on all occasions those who were opinion of our diplomatic establishments, recom opinions of hon. members. anxious to obtain information and to invite the opinion mended in the . report of the select committee of Viscount EBRINGTON believed that the clause, if of the house on these important circumstances, were 1850 he official noh oonurale nierab b salaries,er said should that beuld the first carried into effect." carried, would be productive of evil rat her than g ood. informed that important negotiations were going The (sear.) It would have the effect , in t h e first instance, on, and that remarks made i 'inthis house might have a which the committee in question had made was that of an enormous increase of the staff of officers, and there- very injurious effect on the course of our diplomacy. the missions at Paris and Constantinople should 'by considerably increase the rate of taxation. He (Hear.) The house will recollect in what the forbearance h be ma desirable that we should de first-class minions. He ae an ambassador at deemed it to be ex thought the only course to be adopted, with any effec t, of the House of Commons ended. There -was silence treme would be to place the direction of the drainage und er durin g the whole of that session, notwithstanding the ly the central board. anxiety-of the country, and the result was that we drifted Paris, inasmuch as it was necessary that our representa reign of that country—a sovereign who at the present tive at that court should have interviews with the Sove- Lord R. GROSVENOR considered that-if the house into war. (Hear.) The country found itself engaged in rejected the proposition of the hon. baronet, and placed a vast and perilous war without the satisfaction" of hay- • mo ment took a great interest in our affairs. B u t, how board,ecmvaelelnr tt s s h o ei r n r a y et to h en e nnt ei m oo nt i g i o h on t f w b t e iht eh t o oh uo u ru n se d en e lt r ho m a s i o n suy e r u e p x t ri Paris,set,,e:ienng t e a bx r ep r a ein n nu g ds e ti course to be pursued, that of supporting the measure ,. made a sin g le effort to obtain the necessary information. the management of the sewers in the hands of a central in g a clear idea of the ob j ect for which we entered into the worst results would follow , war, and a humiliated and depressed feeling prevailed Sir W. CLAY was of opinion there was but one amon g the p eople, that their representatives had. never ii and leaving the management of these sewers under the (Hear.) I ma y say that years have really passed. We tune in connection with that mission. Our embassy at direction of the hon. baronet. find now that we are involved in a struggle of the largest the court of Paris now cost the nation about 10,000/. Mr. H. BARING complained of powers be in g g iven character. We find, at the same time, that we have P er annum, and the expenses of a house were about 1,0001. a year in addition. - The hotel in which our am by this clause to the district boards that should be vested been engaged for a long time in negotiations for peace. bassador resided in Paris had cost originally 30,0001., only in the metropolitan board, We find these negotiations carried on by the same cha and we had since spent upon it an amount which made Mr. H. WILLYAMS supported the views of the noble meters, in the same city, and under the influence and in total of 87,000/. Our embassy at Constantinople was lord (Lord Ebrington), who, he hoped, would divide the spiration of the same Court. (Hear.) The result of the negotiations of 1853 covered the whole of - that session. also attended with an enormous amount of ex p enditure, committee on the question. 4*-Mr. LABOUCHERE preferred the scheme proposed It muzzles the expression of opinion in this house, and The-embassy cost 10,000/. per annum, and our diplo by the President .of the Board of Health to that sus- lowers its conduct and character. The result of that math , and consular establishments altogeth er a b ou t gestecl by Lord Ebrington. It would have been more silence was not that we assisted her Majesty's Govern- 40,0001. h year, besides 12,000/, which had been ex satisfactory to him had the districts been fewer in merit in their efforts to secure peace, for war was the Fended last year for the purpose of erecting a new build consequence. The character of the house was lowered, ing at Censtantinople. The palace of the embassy at number. Sir B. HALL said the division of the metropolis into and the object of the Government was not obtained. Constantinople, however, entailed upon the country a districts had been fully considered. He had to deal The consequence of the forbearance of the house was, more extraordinary amount of expenditure th an wee in districts an area divided into every conceivable form and that we drifted into what I must call a disastrous war. curred in connection with the hotel at Paris. In 1841 it shape, and adapt a new legislation as far as Possible to Now it a pp ears to-me that there is a great probability— had unfortunately been burned down, a n d th e es ti ma t e it. It was true that the whole of the drainage of the the negotiations still proceeding, the same circumstances for rebuilding it had been laid at 30;0001., b e t th e t o t a l metropolis under one board had failed, and the question still bein g in existence, the same characters being em- expenditure in connection with it amounted, at the pre .was, what boards should be constituted as most p lo y ed, th© same cit y bein g the scene of action—that if •sent moment, to upwards of 86,6501. That sum bad desirable, and the plan he suggested he had endeavoured the con se q uence of our forbearance was that we drifted been raised b y an ex p enditure which ha d been incur re d to make as useful for the purpose it was intended as pos- into a disastrous war , t he conse q uence of our prolonged year after year, and it w as his opinion that it indicated Bible. The population of the metropolis was two mil - forbearance ma y be that we shall drift into a peace— a state of things which demanded revision, _and into lions and a half ; and considering that population was perhaps an ignominious peace. (Hear, hear.) We which some inquiry should be made. • Now, with refer ence to the question of haring ministers or ambas ks sailors 0 f a at o fo g r o e foreign r eason courts, w h h y e we must sh 0 observenishould hav e t that b a ll: increasing, he did not think the number of boards pro- are in a few days to adjourn for a period of relaxation, posed would be found too many under the sir- of unusual duration at this time of the year, and under cumstances. Each board would represent an aye- circumstances full of danger to the country. We rage of from 60,000 to 80,0 00 inhabitants. If were told last - Eigt, among the many aintii- seders in preference to ministers. Prussia was acknow he gave the district boards the power of forming drains, guous declarations that were mad e, that the con- le aged to be universally successful in her diplomatic he must also give them powers to carry them out, and ference at Vienna, though it was closed, had not abso- Proceedings, and she had not ambassadors, b u t first-class these powers were not more arbitrary than those how lutely ceased to exist, and might be re-oponed at a me- ministers. An embassy was admittedly productive of existing in the city of London, having studiously avoided ment's notice. It ma y ha pp en that we may reassemble greater expense than was connected with a minister. adding anything to them. From the various return s to hear that p eace has been obtained upon terms that There was about an embassy more of form and more of made to him, he found there. were 1,500 miles of streets may not_ be satisfactory to the pe o p le of t his country, etiquette than it was net essari that a minister should ob serve. Tfare was necessarily more dinners. (A laugh.) in the metropolis and 934 miles of sewers ; consequently What %sill be their feeling that the forbearance—again there were 566 miles of streets without sewers, and that rep-ated —of their representatives has led , in their opt- - Sir H. Seymour, whose name he should mention - under a system of centralisation. (Hear , hear.) That nion, to a dis g raceful p eace ? It is impossible to deny that with great respect, had stated in his evidence before the distance comprised 306,000 houses, and consequently there is in this country a feeling of diss'atisfaction and comraittewthat he had no idea of a mar's being a good diplomatist, who dhl not give good (inners. (Renewed they might reasonably come to the conclusion there were distrust at the ambiguous conduct-sat the ambiguous, or 150,000 houses without sewers either in their front ither, I would say, at the uncertain language of the laughter). Now if that statement were correct, he (Mr• or at their back, by which they might communicate Government with reference to these negotiations dor Wise) was afraid that the Russian ministers had given with a drain, and that was such a startling fact peace. I believe that this feeling of dissatisfaction and better dinners than the representatves of England. that it was his duty to press this measure. He found distrust exists also in this house. lam persuaded that The second resolution of the committee referred to having there was one Street in the parish" of Marylebone, con- it is our duty, before we adjourn for the recees, to take a mission at Frankfort, and to the abolition of the rale taining from 60 to 100 first class houses, where there means that it shall. not be laid to the fault of the sions at Hanover,. Stuttgardt, and Dresden. Frankfort were only two houses in it that communicated with the house if that uncertainty and ambiguity longer re- the first Emperor Napoleon had regarded as the window sewer. So far as he had been able to ascertain, the main. (Hear, hear.) It is for these reasons -that I from which one might look out upon the whole of Gee ground landlords and middle men of the metropolis were have taken the first opportunity available to me to ask ninny, and in his (Mr. Wise's) opinion we should insure -every purpose of diplomatic convenience in Gerraeny if anxious that this meaenre should pass. the opinion otthe house on this subject—to ask them te , Viscount EBRINGTON was not anxious that the give their opinion on the conduct and language of the we were to have ministers at Frantrfort, Vienna, and whole subject of drainage should be under one board, Government with respect to the great question of peace Berlin. He recollected having read that the number but the proposition of the right hon. baronet left them no or war ; and as so much ambiguity-has prevailed, and as Of despatches which had been received at the Foreign alternative in consequence of the arbitrary manner in there has been so many alarming instances of equivocal Office in the year 1829 had amounted to 29,000, which he had made out his districts. They must either phrases and conduct—that the - house should take some and he was not aware that the cotntry derived any give the management to one board or to the different step which would at least show that there is no uncer- considerable advantage from those voluminous com munications. The committee also advised that there vestries and district boards the right hon. gentleman taints in their conduct—that there has'been no change should be no mission - at Florence, and he did had pointed out. - He preferred the adoption of the .in their opinion, and that they are prepared to continue not think that so many small missions as we had at pre first course as the least bad of two bad alternatives, to support he r Ma j est y i n this war till-she obtains for (Hear.) He preferred the matter being considered by herself and her allies a secure and honourable peace. sent were necessary either in Italy or in Germany. The next point upon which the committee had pronounced an one set of hands to 36. (Cheers.) I thought it due to the housee after what oc opinion related to diplomatic salaries, and these they had curred last night, and considering the short time we Sir. H. WILLOUGHBY thought the 47th clause bane, to give this public notice of my intention. I shall deemed it desirable should not exceed 5,0001. per annum. Now, so far as Paris and Constantinople were concerned, would not work well, and he must therefore give it a in the course of the evening lay on the table the resolu was question,ne t e b a exactly y h prepared eni ain t ain e t d o t c h oLe w u re shouldin that view in eve every decided opposition. • , tions which I hope the house will adopt, and which will Lord SEYMOUR could not understand why these • embody the views I have attempted to express.' I know he ee 36 districts had been found necessary and selected for way endeavour to lessen our expenditure, although he that to obtain an opportunity I mustappeal to the soda)- the purpose. of carrying out the object of this clause. was far from thinking that the nembers of the junior class of the diplomatic service were at present overpaid: Hence and kind assistance of gentlemen who have a pre Sir B. HALL-had taken the 36 districts because they vious right on Thursday. I understood from the noble , (Hear.) Our diplomatic expenditure since the year 1840 were parishes sole, and had not been incorporated lord that we are to go into a committee of supply on under the Poor Law Act. In adopting that course he Thursday, not to vote public money but that hon. mem- had amounted to 3,000,000/e being an average of thoughtevery one would admit that if he had net adopted leers who wish to call attention to 'im important questions 214,0001. per annum. Our diplomatic and consular a sound, at least ho had come to a rational, conclusion. may have an opportunity of so doing. P I believe the hon. establishments together had since that time cost the furals also thoseexpc expenses c s s o o s services v o i c o e o s o o e fo connection withoo 01. t y h e o a yearly. oh a T s h e e o r f e plate, were The clause was then agreed to. member for Aylesbury has given notice of a motion, no country 4,G77,000/., which gave an average expenditure On clause 48 being proposed, - - doubt of great interest, for that day. Of course I have Sir B. HALL said that all the clauses, from the 47th no right to express a wish that the bon, member should , to the 70th, had been adopted from local existing acts ; g ive wa y to ni O , nor can I presume to press him fora was termed " secret diplom a cy "he must which were very considerabl e . With re f erence t o w h at moment to do.so. All I can say is, that if the motion of , and such being the case he thought that they would i'd- say that, in actions in which its interests were deeply involved ; nor quire but little discussion, the hon. member is brought forward and disposed of on his opinion, the country knew too little of those trams- Thursday, I will still attempt, before the adjournment Viscount EBRINGTON said that the only effectual for the holidays, to ask the house to adopt a resolution cpe,rehpaard prepared been e been drawn up in 1844, and which had so long remained could he help believing that if that document which had course of drainage was to turn it into streams, and - s h h o n l u e ld at ha th v e e Foreign-office, such as that I have indicated, and which will tend to thereby accomplish that which was the intention of na- vindicate the honour of Parliament. lure—namely, to make that a fructifies which was .at i public, we ith in er ad to e present a cause of disease. (Hear, hear.) " Mr. LAYARD—I 'cordially concur in all the senti- avert war, or, having entered upon it, to prosecute it Sir J. SHELLEY thought the drainage of the metro- ments to which the right hon. gentleman who has - just with - success than was at present the case. (Hear.) The moving polls would never be properly carried out unless it was sat down has given expression. It appears to me that hon , ge ntleman concluded by • g the. resolution, carried beyond the limits of the metropolis, which he the question to which heproposes to draw attention Mr. EWART the seconded the motion. His hon. friend hoped ultimately would be the case, and thereby prevent of the house is of vital importance; and although - I con- had called their attention to the financial part of the its interference with the water courses. question, and he was anxiou s t o di rec t th e i r a tt en ti on to skier the resolutions of which I have given notice of Lord SEYMOUR observed there was no provision - the importance of establishing an educational test for in the bill to prevent the sewerage being carried into some importance also, yet I shall undoubtedly give way candidates in - our diplomatic service. He believed it the Thames, and thought if the hon. baronet introduced to the right hon. gentleman. would be generally admitted that at the present day we a clause preventing its being done after a certain Lord PALMERSTON — According to the statement were inferior in diplomatic skill to all the ' other great date it would materially strengthen his bill.. With which has been made by h tle we the right on-gen man op- n a tions of the world, and that had greatly degene regard to the district, where there wasrated in that respect since the days . of Elizabeth and posite there was a scene last night in this house. (A only a small breadth of , land between the inter- ' - Cromwell. He proposed to remedy that evil by • in setting clause and the Thames, there was nothing to laugh.) Well, if it be true that a scene- was 'enacted stituting an examination for all persons anxious prevent their carrying the sewerage into the Thames. ' here upon that occasion, the scene which has this even: to enter the diplomatic sera vice • ; and languages and Sir J. SHELLEY said he thought it would not be ing been presented to us in my opinion surpasses it,and international law should, of course, form the main sub right of them to prevent some of the existing sewerage Ilmust say it does great credit to the actors concerned. jects of such an examination, from flowing into the Thames, and that the amount of sh (wanew d e laughter.) The Government can, of course, Lord PALMERSTON said he readily admitted that drainage that would do so after the passing of this bill would be very inconsiderable. To prevent have no objection whatever to me e t th e mo ti on w hi c h most importa n t duties devolved on our diplomatic and the sewerage from the houses between the sewer the ri g ht hon, g entleman has an nounced it to be his in- consular officers. But at the same time he Omuta ob and the Thames flowing into the Thames would be an tention to bring on on Thursday next. If the ri d t cs ) serve that it would be impossible to 'reconcile with _the injustice on the owners of property, by comoelling them hon. gentleman had been with - ` high contented the simple an -character of that service those censures on the arts to reverse their levels to cause it to flow indr the sewer. nouncement of his intention to bring forward that motion, of diplomacy which the hon. gentleman who had intro- Lord SEYMOUR said he thought the lion. baronet I should have deemed it to be unnecessary to say any- duced the motion had quoted from the writers of a past should undertake to introduce a clause that after a ter- ain date none of the districts" in the centre of the City thing upon the subject. The right hon. gentleman has, era, but in which he took it for granted that the hon. should carry sewers into the Thames, and that, where however, compl a i ne d that the language of Government gentlemen himself could not entirely concur. He ad these districts now did so, it should be carried by means in the present - position of aff' • airs has been equivocal and mated that all the recommendations of the committee of iron tubes under low-water level. - ambiguous. Now,that the justice of complaint we of 1850 had not been carried into effect, but sever a l Sir B. HALL said that, with reference to the , latter, leave to deny. If I be right hon. ; gentl e m en means th a t of their su.ggestions -had be e n adopt e d. Th e s al ar i es , he would undertake arrangements should be made to we have not h h • t oug t it to be consistent with ' our duty be contended, could not he reduced below their ' ' carry out the noble lord's views, to declare the precise conditions of the communi-• On the suggestion of Mr. WILKINSON, _ - cations that have passed, or are passing,-between b t her t in present standard—for, point of fact, those salaries Sir B. HALL said he should have no objection to in- Majesty's Ministers and the p . g,- e ween were below, rather than above, the point which Government with which we propriety required. (Hear.) Ministers were substi troduce a clause to provide that where ,district boards are in communication, then I must say th a t I consider tuted forainbassadore in almost every Court except Paris been were not inclined to do certain works, it should be in it wo uld h ave the poWer of the General Board, if it was thought ne- our part if we had answered the demands which h • • ceseary, to carry them on. been made upon us, and if we had not employed thafchange would • The clause was then agreed to. , , which it ' The CHAIRMAN reported progress, andobtained necessary reserve to adopt in matters of international communication be- would acquire some information, but he would not be leave to sit again on Friday next at 12 o'clo c k . , tween her•MajeSty's Ministers and the Government of " THE DERBY.able to obtain that intimate knowledge of the politics another country. (Hear •.) But the right hon. gentleman of those States which it was most important to acquire, Lord BARRINGTON, seeing no business of any im- I stated ' . on the paper for to-morrow, moved that the thisras ho that it was in consequence of the silence of He defended the principle on which diplomatic appoint portanceuse in 1853 that we have, as he says, drifted into meats were made, and stated that while a rigid adherence house at its rising should adjourn to Thursday.. war. Now, I beg leave to sly that the forbearance Agreed to. . to the rule of seniority would bathe safest far, the Minister, which this house showed in 1853 much increased the and though a departure from it would expose him to the The house then adjourned to six o'clock. hon. chances of preserving peace ; and that so far from imputation of favouriti s m, still every Minister would feel members having anything to reproach themselves with it for his own interest to appoint the men whom he as to their silence having led to war, they have every might think the fittest for the different places. He added reason to congratulate themselves that they did not, by that d at a meeting. of the-Privy Council yesterday, an or impeding- the - progress of negotiationo, preclude thoe d F d r a was f passed instituting an examination of candi, chances of that accommodation which,' up to that tes fir different public appointments ; and he had moment, we thought was within oar reach. Now, no , doubt noble friend .at the Foreign-office would ,wh'at is the present state of affairs ? It, is made a be anxious . to extend . the same system to the 'diplomatic, charge against the Government that they • have prose- service. In conclusion, he hoped the honourable gen cuted these negotiations, under auspices which must tlem n would not • 'h• ' press - is motion. have led to their being unavailing in the attainment of M a r WILLIAMS complained of the high salaries their object. Why, let me ask, would not it have been given . to the d• • m d l o o n matists of this country, which were, as a just cause of reproach to the Government if, when so , e eneral rule, ble . those allowed to the ministers of - great a power in Europe as Austria was disposed to the g United States, without in any case securing a higher afford us its assistance in our endeavours to bring about -degree - of talent, - • • an accommodation with the nation with which we are at ee p . ILLIMORE suggested that consuls in war, we had arbitrarily refused that assistance—had re- Ir* le * H foreign ports should not be allowed to engage in private pelted the just advances of Austria, and had said, "we business' shall have nothi ng t o d o w ith you ; wenchoose to con- '' Mr. . WHITESIDE pressed upon the house the ideas duct our negotiations without your aid." In my opinion so often urged by the-hop. member for Dumfries respect' we should have had much to reproach ourselves with if • ing the necessity of a special education for our diploma we had not availed ourselves of the good offices of Aus tle servant, and alluded to one or twoinstances in his tria, arid en d eavoured, through her co - opera ti on an d in- own experience whe r e such an education would have tawention, to o bt a i n if poss ib le f rom our enemy eatisfa c - been highly desirable. tory and honourable terms of accommodation. So far, After a few words from 'Admiral PECIIELL, therefore, from thinking that weare at all liable to blame for having coatinn cl- negotiations. Mr. OTWA.Y complained that promotions in the diplo e under the auspices ' t e ma ic service had been confined exclusively to the sons of Austria, I think we should have greatly neglected our an d relatives of peers of Parliament an d o f C a bi net duty if we had decli ne d the interventions of that ceuntry, I can quite understand that we should be open to blame s • Ministers. Re cited the case of Mr. Letsom, who was if it could be proved' that, relying an attache in Berlin in 1831, whence, in 1834, he was upon the prospect removed to Munich, and again, in 1840, he was removed which these negotiations h e ld ou t o f an honourable to Waehington, and then for the first time paid.. After. peace, and placing implicit con fid ence upon th e good a diplomatic service of 23 years, nice of which were un offices of Austria in effecting th a t resu lt, we h a d ne . paid, that same gentleman, who had conducted himself heeled to adopt those means by which the war wa s like l y - to the satisfarition of those who employed him, was ap to be brought to a successful and an ho noura bl e fermi- pointed secretary to the emdaassy at Mexico. L e t th e nation. That reproach, however, cannot be fairly laid house contract Mr. Leteom s case with that with t h e to our charge. We have, it is true, availed' ourselves Hon. Mr. Howard, who was attached - to the. embassy of the good offices of Austria for the purpose' of obtain- at Paris in 1838, and who, in ,1841, three years after ing from Russia terms of peace which we should - wards, was made first paid attache in Path;, with a pal deem safe and honourable to this country ; but we . s .ry equal to that of a secretary of legation. Again, in less have not for one moment relaxed our efforts.in carry- than two years after that, the came Mr. Howard was ing out those measures which, if no negotiations had i f n n a r t e le fi Secretary of Legation at the Hague - . He had there- been in progress, we should have deemed it to he our duty to make for the purpose of prosecuting the war A. ain lle l t t it c w , o n of the ,nri o w L t agreeable posts in Europe. tinop Napier had been made Se with vigour and energy. (Hear, hear.) While upon er L eter , ' Stala y of Legation there over the head of Addison, Mr,- the on;hand, therefore, %Pc) have not thought it right to th e dis etinuieliett Or iewtal scholar, w ho a h recede from the consideration of overtures of aeco mo- 'r a .or many years. What did he find ‘vith re (i feren resided ceTto hi Ir, dation, upon the other hand we have acted in regard Stanley ? In December, 1851 was ,he made second paid to the prosecution of th e war as if no negotiations at tache at Constantinople, after having acted as • were going on, and as if there was no chance that writer tai the noble lord (Lord Palmerston) ; and sixprdecis we or our alliee'should through those negotiations obtain after;varde he was promoted te the office a" of first paid a settlement of the question at issue. The right hon. attache. Again, in January, 1854, the same Mr. Sta g entleman says that the reason w h y he thinks it neces- the son of the Presidentof the Board of T ra d e , was made sary to call for the opinion of the house upon those ne- Secretary of Legatimi at Athens. Let hi m men ti on one g otiations before we separate for what he calls an un - - or two of the attaches. Mr. P e t re , after being 9 years usually long period" at Whitsuntid e, although that Pe in the service, was still unpaid, a n d so was m R r. Lytton; riod embraces only a few days niore than the time gene- who enteral the service in 1849. Both these were gen rally allowed, is that he apprehends during that eirent- tlernen of'great ability. Then came L or d H u b ert d e ful week the country way, owing to the misconduct of Burgh, who was only' appointed attache in 1852, and the Government, find itself bound up by a di sas tiouea,nd , was yet made paid attache at Turin i n 1855 . H e was dishonourable peace. Now,. 1, can only-assure the, house really surprised that, with these- facts 'before him the and the right lion, gentleman that so long as those who noble viscount could contend that men were selected for are now charged with the conduct of affairs shall con- diplomatic appointments for their ituess, anti not be: were— At six o'clock the house resumed. A conference was held with the Lords. On the re turn of the Commons' members, Lord PALIIERSTON announced that the messengers on - the part of the Lords had communicated - certain reso lutions which their lordships had adopted with regard to messages of either house. On the motion of the noble lord, the resolutions were laid on the table, and ordered to be considered on Thursday next. Mr. HEYWOOD gave rotice that on Tuesday, the 19th of June, he would move an h um bl e a dd ress t o her Majesty, praying that she would be graciously pleased to issue her Royal commission to substitute an open ex ' amination, on the principle of competition, in place of the present system of nominations, for admission into the Royal Military Academy at Woolwich. Mr. OTWAY gave notice of his intention to aek whether it v.-as true that Wallachia and Moldavia Lad been subjected to martial law, and whether the Govern ' ment would lay on the table any communications which had passed on the subject. Major REED gave notice of his intention to with draw the amendment to the motion of the, hon. member for Bristol. He also gave notice that if that motion were rejected he would introduce a bill to permit the ballot in cases in which a constituency petitioned for it. Mr. VANCE wished to ask the Attorney-General for Ireland respecting the progress of the Intramural Burials (Ireland) Bill ? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for IRELAND said some questions bad arisen as to the expense of opening new cemeterie, but the bill had been read a second time by the other house. In answer to Colonel ICNos, Mr. RICH said be, would lay on the table the reso• lotions which he meant to move on the 12th of June re garding the system of purchasein the army. .The pur port of it would be, that the system bad failedin its ecob- jt, was unjust in its working , w as lin o p en violation of the practice in other departments, and should not be continued longer than was necessary for the gradual and just satisfaction of the claims of iudividuals and the state. In an3vvcr to Mr. CowAN, Mr. V. SMITH said tbat orders had been sent out to the Governor-General to prspare a draft of a bill on the subject of authorising grants of letters patent for India. THE WAR. DISRA.ELI—I take the liberty of presenting myself f or th e purpose of making one or two observa tions on a question of importance. I confess it appears to me that the present position of affairs is very critical, and cannot be passed over without notice as far as the reputation and honou r of this, house is concerned. The house, perhaps, will anticipate that I particularly allude to what took pl ace last night. (Hear, hear,) On that occasion the language of the Government was, to my mind so equivocal—their demeanour altogether so dis couraging, that I confess I myEelf shrink from the re sponsibility of Accoding under the circumstances to a .uge of the ParliameOh , ry or ()OAPr infinenee of their-) rco,ivtid, and stated his in- tendon t vitth N the motion Mr.H.BAILIE, however, oh jected to the withdrawal of the motion, and the house then divided, when• there For the motion.. ll2 Against .. Majority —ss The announcement was received with loud cheers. THE BALLOT. Mr. BERKELEY then rose to bring forward his an nual motion in favour of the ballet. He said he had been told that this was a disadvantageous time for it, while men's minds were suffering urder a series of victo rious disasters. But never was it more important to have men of the people's choice in Parliament than at present. (Hear, hear.) And this could not be under the present system. To those who hated reform, the war had great charms, as a seasonable relief. But with sincere reformers the mismanagement of the war created a stronger argu ment in - favour of reform. (Hear.) The blunders, disas ters, and failures which had occurred in our various de partments had risen first from the Government having become hereditary in a few great families. (1 - lear, hear.) There were changes of Ministries but not of systems. One set of aristocrats went out " tristes," and another " gaudentes" came in. (Laughter.) One set said when - we come in then you shall see—what you shall see ! (Laughter.) Then, when they came in, what did we see ? Jobbery, red tape, and routine. (Hear, and laughter.) The people were fully alive to the atrocities of the sys tem. The cause was apparent. The Queen could only select her advisers from a few great families, because they monopolised place and power ; and thus not only the Ministers of the Crown, but the leaders of our fleets and armies were chosen, not for merit or ability, but because they belonged to the " great families," who were able to make or mar a ministry. (Hear, hear.) Those great families had desperate fights for place, but on all points connected with their monopoly of power they were united as one man. (Laughter.) If there were only places enough, Whigs and Tories would become a " hanpy family" political cats fraternising with political rats. (Great laughter.) Peke 1 ple were sick of this syetem—sick of sorry generals, I•selected from the "'Red Book," and Ministers from "Burke's Peerage." There had been an inquiry, which bad concluded its labours, and was about to bring forth a report. But what was to prevent that inquiry from ,going the way of all inquiries? It might result in a stinging report, and possibly in some measure ; but if it interfered with the pstronage of "the great families" it would fail. Lately there was a splendid instance of getting rid of a "popular clamour —how' the "good Lord Ab6fleen" had cried for change, and every mem ber of his Government had his handkerchief to his . eyes weeping for the depravity of mankind. (Laughter.) -But what did it all c 'me to? A "Corrupt Practices at Elee liens Bill," which would do nothing to prevent bribery. The true remedy was the ballot. The evidence collected by the Ballot Society from various boroughs iu the king dom, showed that since the passing of the Corrupt Prac tices at Elections Bid bribery and intimidation existed to as great ari extent as ever. He had, on the last on : casion of bringing this subject before the house, ex posed the fallacy Of calling the elective franchise a "trust." A brilliant example of the futility of what was called "open voting" had occurred at the late election for the county of Cavan. At that election stones were not used, as ho the case of St. Stephen, but a leef bad been taken from the martyrdom of Cranmer and Ridley. A refractory voter had been roasted until his" ribs had been completely "done"—(laughter)—hut still his vote had not been tortured out of hini. Three hundred, men, tenants of Sir J. Young, came to the rescue of the rbyite candidate.; but would they have so opine had Sir John Young at that moment been in office under an Aberdeen Administration ? (A. laugh) The Cavan election affor led a specimen of the unvarying influence exercised by the landlord over the tenant--an influence by which 300 men were moved about like so many au tomatons. Like every other great landlord, Sir John Young was a political monarch over his tenantry. " Vote for "Derby !" "Vote for Aberdeen I" says Sir John Young—it was all the same to them : " Whichever your Majesty "may please to name— Long cut, or short} cut, 'tis all the same." (A laugh.) He (Mr. Berkeley) repeated there was no remedy for such a state of things but secret voting. ("Hear, bear," from the Radical party.) Voting in secret could not be cowardly in the poor man and not Co wardly in the rich. (Hear.) The question was mak ing steady progress, although some few individual mem bers had ratted from,it ; but it was remarkable that they changed their opinions when they changed their consti tuencies. Lord Panmure had no better reasorragainst the ballot than that under it the Emperor of the French had been electel— (a laugh)—and Sir George Grey de clared it to be unnecessary, from the increasing virtue of the upper clasSes. (A. laugh.) Where that increas ng political virtue was to be found it was difficult to tervi to eradiate nr rnii - vr 7 qllv fl9rn 7 ni,ll ti» ev;l , , of wl hod been put into he, iiam , s, e-inea adordcd a shied proof of how things were stiil carried on." That letter was written at the la, t general election by a person of influence to an elector, and it ran in these terms :—" I understand you are doubtful which way to vote, and I _desire You to vote for Mr. --. If you do net do that you leave my farm." (Radical cheers, and cries of "Name" from the. Conservatives.) No, lie was not at liberty to give the name, (Oh, oh, a,i,d renewed cries of "Name.") But there 163 the original letter. It was not a copy that he 'held - in his hand. (Cheers) Th e terms which the noble lord (Sey moor) had used in speak ing of the rt tail dealers were, he thought, most offensive —at least as offensive as the terms in which the hon. member for Bristol was said to have spoken of the aris- . tocracy. Forlis part, he did not believe that thd retail dealers of this country were, as a class, the corrupt body which the noble lord represented them to be. But if they were, then all he could say was, that that consti tuted an additional reason for adopting the ballet, which would very much remove from them the temptation of yielding to corrupt influences. (Hear.) Mr. BENTINCK thought the hon. gentleman ought to have been in a position to give the name of the party who had written the letter he had quoted before he ven tured to read it to the house-=-(cheers)—beeause, as the matter at present stood, they were left in doubt whether the writer was one of the " bigotted Tories" who had been described by the hon, member for Bristol, or one of the pure Liberals who - sat on the other side of the house. (Cheers and laughter.) The noble lord the member for Totnes had talked of the difficulty of inducing voters to go to the poll, and the hon. mem ber for Beverley had ascribed that difficulty to a system of intimidation which prevented them giving their votes. He was satisfied that if the matter were in quired into it would be found that intimidation had not the effect of preventing voters recording their votes. Mr. P. O'BRIEN reminded the house, in considering this question with reference to Ireland, that they must not forget that in that country there was a compulsory system of registration, and that the voter could no longer escape being placed on the regietir. Mr. BLAND said he could read a letter, and if neces. sary name the writer, which would show,that landlords in Ireland did coerce their tenants. The letter he held in his hand was from a member of that house to his ten ant in Sligo, and it informed him that the writer always regretted when he had cause to complainof his tenants, but that the Roman Catholic priests had been so active and successful in severing tenants from their landlords that he could nit support those who did not support bim, and that he did not wish longer to continue his con nection with the tenant. (" Name.") The name of the writer was Mr. Ormsby Gore. He also held in his hand a notice to quit which had been served on a tenant since the last election for Cavan, though his rent, he was told, had been paid for which the notice had been served. He had also been told that 500 notices to quit had been served in that county, signed by Lord Farnham and Mr. Nesbitt. Sir S. BIGNOLD said, allusion had been made to the city which he represented, and that he merely wished to state, with reference to the questions as to bribery and intimidation, that the information .which the hon. mem t;er for Bristol had relied on troM Norwich was without the slightest foundation. Ho had poll,d 3720 votes. His majority commanced from the first hour, and went on increasing. He believed he owed. his return to the simple fact that he had been an activacitizen of Norwich for the last 40 years. (Hear.) Mr. BURROWES said that allusion had been made with regard to the roasting of a certain individual in the county he had the honour to represent, but he emit(' not discover the least foundation for the Story. He should deeply regret if any such barb,rity had occurred in the county he represented or in the county to which he be longed. The hon. member had asserted that if Lord Aberdeen had been minister Sir J. Young would not have directed his tenants to vote for Lord Derby. He could state that Sir J. Young did not in any way interfere with his tenants, but allowed them to vote as they thought proper. A great majoMy of them had supported him. Dr. MICHELL said that if the hon. member would introduce words into his motion to make voting by ballot applicable - to divisions in that house there would be no occasion for him to divide sg iinst the motion of the hon. member. If he did not carry this vote he would move, soon after the Whitsuntide recess, for a committee to in quire into .the system by which patronage was distri buted by the Government in that house. The hon. member concluded by moving that the votes of members in that house be taken by way of the ballot. There being no seconder, the motion fell to the ground. Sir J. FITZGERALD supported the motion, and instanced cases at his own election by-which voters were kidnapped and intimidated to vote against their -con sciences. Lord PALMERSTON said he should be sorry if his hon. friend the member for Bristol were to imagine that he had convinced him, by his very amusing though not very argumentative speech, that the ballot was necessary. In the few words he meant to address to-the house he felt that be would expose himself to the reproach he had often heard made by the advocate? of the ballot, that those who oppose it did nothing but reproduce old ar guments. He, however, believed that those arguments sai. Certainly it had not shown itself at the last elec tion ; on the Contrary, bribery and corruption seemed_ to have been as rife as ever. When he last addressed the house,• the noble lord now at the head of the Govern ment, who had always voted against the ballot, accused him of "exaggeration." (An ironical cheer from the opposition.) How, with the election of 1852 before his eyes, he could make that charge, he was at a loss to un derstand. The noble lord made, on that occasion, a " pooh-poohing" speech, which it was rather difficult to meet ; but when the noble lord was defeated for Hamp shire, and took refuge in the snug borough of Tiverton-- (a laugh)—did he not think theßritish farmer was under some little intimidation ? On the 23d July, 1837, the noble lord told the electors, that to deter electors from giving their votes freely'was a regular Tory practice, Whenever a Tory was opposed to a man of reformed Liberal principles. (A laugh.), What was the change which had come o'er the spirit of the noble lord's dream since that period ? (Laughter.) The honourable member then continued to quote in favour of the ballot the expressed opinions of President Jackson, the Right Hon., T. B. Macaulay, Mr. Charles Buller, Lord Althorn, Mr. Ricardo, Sir E. L. Bulwer, William Cob bett, Lord Brougham, and the Right Hon. B. Disraeli, amidst great laughter. He concluded his quotations with the opinion of Lord Melbourne, and the opinion of a weekly journal to the same effect. He (Mr. Berkeley) I said he thought it necessary to enter his caveat against being misquoted or misinterpreted •in respect of what he hail =aid on the subject of the aristocratic element per vading the house and the army, and against being answered by a play upon words. He had detracted ' neither from the valour nor from the ability of the upper classes, He admitted that the Royal and aristocratic soldiers at the battles of Alma, of Inkermare and i3ala ((lava displayed great valour and gallantry—fully equal, in fact, to the valour and gallantry of the middle and lower classes engaged in those great actions. It would, moreover, he an act of folly on his part to express a doubt as to the ability of the aristocracy in the presence of a Ruskell, of a Palmerston, and of a But he thought it, in fact, susceptible of proof that the ariny and the executive had been monopolisel by that class to • the detriment_ of both. He dal not think that Lord Foppington,'or the Hon. Tom Shuffieton, or Sir Harry Easy, were calculated to make such good - officers in the army as men of the middle classes, because their pur suits, as well as their pleasures, lay in London and at Melton Mowbray ; whereas Brown, Jones, and Robin son, who Made the army their profession, were infinitely more likely to . turn out better officers. It was the custom in the country to boast of what had been done by the aristocracy, and to place the middle classes in the) back ground. But it should never be forgotten that an army led by a prince, and officered by the flower of the . English nobility, were not able to withstand an army led on by a brewer, ,and officered by men of his own situation in life. The army of Charles I. was • never a match for the Ironsides of Cromwell, not because they were less brave, but because they were not so professional. Ho (Mr. B) would not lie,underetood to say that the ballot was the panacea for every political evil, but he would point out to the country that without a change in the electoral systolic there would be no change i,n the adnii• nistrative department of the executive government. Ho asked for the ballot, therefore, because it was the only key to unlock the fetters in which the elector now lay bound, and to give him that weight hi the decision of public affairs which was solemnly guaranteed to him by the constitution of the country. Mr. FEILDEN seconded the motion. He had long been an advobate of the- billot from his experience of travel in foreign countries, where peace and prosperity prevailed at all political elections ; whereas, in this country, the greatest disorder and violence prevailed at similar elections. He hoped, therefore, that the vote of that night would - have the effect of Putting an end to this state of thines, Lord SEYMOUR—The hon. member for Bristol had said a great deal against the aristocracy on both sides of the house, and he (Lord Seyndur) had listened to him he confessed, with much surprise, for he certainly thought the house of Berkeley had not been altogether unmiied with aitistocratic proceedings. He remeint , ered the time when they were called the Ameers of Scinde, and when their aristocratic arrogancel in conducting elections in their own county was such that iit was declared to be in tolerable. Yet the hon. gentleman got up to-night 'and said that he knew neither one side of the aristocracy nor the other ; and he called them pot and kettle, though what he was, between the two, it was impossible for the house to say. (A. laugh, and hear.) The main grounds upon which he (Lord Seymour) .should give his vote again=t the motion was, that publicity was the very es sence of the representative system. But the hon. gen tleman said there was one particular class of persons that must be pretected, and oup particular action that must be free and concealed, and that action happened to be the production of a member of Parliament. He was to be hatched in the dark. (Laughter.) Nobody was to know how he was produced ; but out he came, some how or other, from the ballot-box. Something want in from a number of people, and somehow or other it be came a member of Parliam en t. (R enewed laughter.) Who were the persons whose conduct was to be exempt from air exlinitiaton ? Why, th e reta il dealers of the country. It the measure succeeded it would reduce all voters to one general level of degradation, and they would become the mere carriers of voting-tickets. Mr. GORDON entreated the indulgence' of the house whilst, as a new member, he stated why he should give his vote in favour of the motion of the hon, member fir Bristol. He was the more desirous not to give a sileet vote on the occasion, beciuse lie. did not en tirely share in the sentiments of the lion. member who proposed the motion, and still less shared in those which were expressed by the _noble lord who had ,just spoken. He should vote for the , motion, not so much because he thought the ballot was likely to prove a panacea for all the evils which existed in our electoral system, but rather in the hope that it might were in themselves conclusive. The demonstraiion of a proposition of Euclid which was also conclusive inglit be equally complained of. He thought that publicity and the responsibility of public opinion were the great principles of our representative institutions. He held that the privi. lege of voting for the election of a representative in Parlia- ment was a trust confided by the constitutional law to a certain portion of the community for the benefit of the nation at large—that a man who was invested with such a public trust ought to discharge that trust in the face of the whole country. (Cheers.) Every man should perform that trust openly, and all persons should be enabled to inquire how such person had acted in the discharge of his trust. It had been often proved that, though there might be cases of bribery and intimidation under our present system, ,secret voting would not be any security against such improper practices. They had been often told that they ought to follow the 'exampte of the United - States, where the votes were taken by ballot. It was true that in the United States the votts Were given by the way of the ballot, but they did net profess to be at all secret, notwithstanding. (I-Lar, hear.) - Secrecy was not the object of the. electors there. The ballot was but a short method of giving their votes in the United States, as several elections were sometimes going on at the same tiriie. it was, therefore, not for secrecy, but fore convenience, the ballot was adopted In the United 'States. So far 'from the votes being secret there, it was - well known in the United States how every man voted. Tile men there were as proud -of their votes as the men in England were; and they scorned to give them in secrecy. Why, the adoption of the ballot in this country would be degrading the national character. Eagliahrnen woukl not submit to it. No law which this house could paste on the subject could compel the majority of the electors to clothe in secrecy their votes, or to suppress the px pressien of their political opinions. What would happen in the event pf this system being adopted by Parliament ? The great bulk of the electors would defy their law, and only a comparative few would be found to go' sneaking to the poll for the purpose of screening themselves from personal inconveniences: Such persons would become objects of obloquy, and would be degraided in the eyes of their fellow-citizens. These were his short reasons why he thought that this proposal of the ballot`was one which Parliament ought not to adopt. He thought it would be altogether ineffectual for the purposes pro poSed ; and it so ineffectual, bethought that it would be a great public calamity. The house appeared to be some what amused by the proposition of the how member for Bodmin—that the votes of members in that house ought to be taken. by the way of ballot. He (Lord Paliner sten), however, thought that there was - much more, logic in that proposal than the - one submitted to theta by the hon. member for Bristol. Was the ballot pro posed on grounds of individual protection or on grounds of public utility ? Whether did they' want to screen electers from inconvenience, or to enable persons to act according to their wishes ? If they wished to screen persons from inconvenience, why, he asked, were not the members of that hi us 3 entitled to give theirerotes in se crecy ? And if they did intend it as a public measure for the purpose of enabling Terecons more fully to perform a public duty, he would ask whether the duty performed by an elector could for one instant be put into competi tion with the duty performed by hon. members. Would any - man tell him that the votes of members were not constantly given in deference to the pressure of their constituents ? Why, they well knew that it was so, and therefore, if there were any sound argument that an elector should'give his vote in secret, it would have ten fold force as applicable to the votes of the members of that house. But he should be 'sorry to see any such in novation introduced.' The same principle upon which he contended that an electorshould verform his duty in tbe face of the public) had' also tenfold force in regard to neenebers• of that house ; and therefore, in point of logic, the•proposal o f the hon. member for Bodmin eras much stronger_ than that of the hon. member for Bristol. He (Lord Palmerston) said it was a reductio ad absurdant, and it only proved that according to the true principles of the constitution, they ought not adopt a measure which tended to Withdraw from public responsibility any par ticular act done by persons in the discharge of a duty en tru.;ltre.dpt‘i) L th L em w ba s ie up c p on or s t t e it d ut t i h 7. mo r io li n e . ers.) Mr. H. BERKELEY briefly replied. • The houle then divided — For Mr. Berkeley's motion Against it Majority —s2 BILLS OF LADING BILL.. The order fir the second rea ling of this bill wag dis charged, and leave was given te introduce a new bill founded upon the resolution of a committee of the house. BANKRUPTCY (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion fit the second reading of this bill, Mr. VANCE suggested that it should be postponed. After some observations from the SOLICITOR-GENERAL for IRELAND and 'Mr. CAIRNS, The second reading of the hill was postponed until the sth of June. The Absconding Debtors (Ireland) Bill was read a third time. The itailways'(lreland) Bill war; read a second time. Tb - e Brighton fricorporation Bill passed through com mittee. MR. DjSRA ELI'S MOTION. Lord PALMERSTON gave notice that un Thurs3ny next he should move that the orders of the day be' post poned until after the discussion of the motion of the right hon. gentleman the member for Bucks. The house aljoorned at a quarter before one. ~~ ~. :? f T~. sV . ~.. ~ S' i ~. this clay - _ 1.1,P 00 I.- IBS 23. lasanddonoostrainewailtsvera•rteaitutfliaair;llll_,resitlifllC realised last Tuesday's extreme 'quotations. -1' "o3u peas unaltered. Egyptian bec.ns 6d per qr. oreru., iiivia corn is per qr. advauce—prime mixed Atnerica Or '' 51s, yellow ills 6d, and white 52s per qr. ----- ..ar supply of wheat. The general tone 0 _ 1 3,iley A f ... IPSWICH. 2 . was dull ; still prices can scarcely be quoted lowf etri:;l: a ß ready sale for all kinds at fudy is per quarter e. oans and peas realised full proses. 0 Qviottf. .dg.aoyodwbnek.4.naLsosi \TB r 293 to 319 MI QV ARTSK• Wheat, red (01d)... 74s to 7ds Barley, grinding ... 405 t , 411 Ditto (new) ......... 785 t° —6 BeaUS ''''''' 36' tt' 399 Ditto, white (new) 78s to 830,Peas ................. . 05 to to . o Barley, malting •••• . .. .. 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Lords, makes provision for the 1 9 „, l‘f , o v ro b, yea°llntvhefn)rtiisiangotfile..l,3s:,,i's.olrre : ii f ft lk g:11111 1 e; 'l.°l' ; : f dredLfcS found on board fi'lling W e 31 4 'A d e ",,itY r j bited lime (from the Ist ot i'vfav te ve be en . a, v ea . io the ,e'zure of oysters that ino,9 h n liola tUwittl"P maters of the vessels will also ° w ith o r 31 or imprisonment for ten days, labour. _------. -----_ ------- L , - 1, 1 °f 0 0. BII? I' tio 10 co, #1 :: : :: :: :( 0 3:.: 2: E t s h q i . n s e t . . E ,... at . CF 3,A.13151":461(1't'ff: e't°l.'tbati'e, porc ‘iini,r, On the 20th in' st at the llcetorY, ~,,,rti,ird.,,,r, ~ Can" Preen 0 1 ° of the Rev. Wm. Duller. goose, pre Cb s On the 18th inst., at Llanetly D,rt.-"f 0. , tile tb ° Esq. oSthilliGnsotd,fraetyiT3r.igTblitoon3ost,lje o d ij fe , 0 iota of 1 ;• • r e° On the 21st inst., at ConberWell jar iii Rev. Henry Philip, Dodd. V On oa the he 21 1 sstthin;sntit,.a, talt3,:glgr:::qlc Ws)111,:i'1.0":1'° Oat, tlie Os OD' A D-06 Ore' lig 'IV bella Stewart. . ta goo' li g°l lady of Sir John Forster Fitzgers 4. Eton. born. ,) tows/re' On the 21st inst., at .32, Bl ir Mrs. F. Gale. , d el DP: i , 50 0 1 , BIER oitsyrc el I ' l A R B I OsP f`i f l' e s lid i. On the 17th !inst., at, Woodstoel";,, i' ° ° ,,,,00 0 ri f Churchill, M.D., of Fawley, lilft:tilaf'SEsk, Pt Esq., of Deddington Oxcr:, Tforisori, ,41OPbeilo daughter of the late' J. I r • ' „ t i c llPO°oo stock. b -L A 0 0 •- if' Obri rc i to I t ' Org. f' On the 21st inst.; at Trintilr fiats, 009 000, nici ilankin, Esq., of Stanstesa,„,o. o f , cralA second daughter of John Rea)", r',}elriaarloi3o,ol,.eroill T, . 1 ) 0 1 Hyde-park, and of th Gill , Clean ' P i ' J3e f 'Vii ol On the 22d inst.,_ st the We i , s a. , p to o to place, Wadwortb, John 13. Ing e o f 01 tlio berg, London -bridge, foarth son or o latig lit Ingle, to Arabelta, youngest t Birt, Esq., of Tooting, Surrey. 0 1 ! 1 ., 0" On the 21st inst., ..,.;ott,e' Jeri D 1 1 tP- P. v 01C-9t313" irof(l:;,ollirei i n Lower milZo.l3 t, 13e ,, /toy Sir Georgo Charles IY-40i.13.,r'ocerstrel o tlet , , po . ,`; On the 14th inst., at I,", o f lie d e oe' ow Patrick Grant, Esq., formerly o voila e l°, ,oto aged 61. f. C4061‘94 °l f ACA' . p ..k.stree., rA. .. c i 0 v•• On the Bth }nst. at a- ! toy, .0 ,ir, relict of t o late Sir liumPhrY P f the P i ' PP' 4' 1 0 of tho late Charles ICerr, Es 9 ' , • o ..pata d Oa the 19th inst., at 40, s fa rin 015131 P T. B. Leonard. _ Jolla mo rii, i ,_ I.l9,ed!oore, „ier° c, On the 20th inst., to '' , so- pckt aged 73. ni rolgin. 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