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PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS-IYESTERDAY. THE QUEEN'S DEFENCE. [Continuation of Yesterday's .Proceedings.] The Earl of CARNARVON thought they ought not to proceed one step further with this foul and infamous Bill until they had probe& this matter completely to the bottom. If after the progress they had already made—if after :the evidence they had already heard, their Lordships were told . they Must still go le6 I could not - conceive how they • coultf'proceed unless this businesS were to be . thoroughly sifted. .If this fact ,of agency ''were proved, he believed there did not exist among their 'Lordships once who would not say, that these prpcee'Llings should be terminated without waiting another day, or' for another hour risking. ti - ;e - safety of the country, .by persisting in a course the most pernicious tgat had ever been attempted: If this fact wept proved, and thy were still to persevere, he con tiJently asserted, that they .would knowingly,. and with their eyes open, be compromising every thing upon which the prosperity of England must depend. This was not a dry question of techni cality-according to law. . They had by the pro ceeding itself, thrown all law aside. Theyhad, contrary to all precedent, and to all restrictions impoted by law; in point of time---.--after a lapse of three.years, entered upon an investigation, which in-any other tribunal would not have been per, rnitted. He entreated their Lordships foAtlie sake. of thosewho were interested in this Bill., (and that there were some persons actively alive tp its suc cess, the diligence which had been manifested, sufficiently evinced,) to pause before they went further. He called ,upon,thein 'to save that House from disgrace, and not to hold thbmselves up to the odium of the country, to the contempt of,that popular feeling connected, with every sentiment of national prosperity.. They had now come to such a stage in this'Bill, that if the witness at the bar had spoken the - truth, the details which he had given must more or leSs - destroy the, whole Of. the testimony which had been 'given in its sup port. If, as had been stated, under an active agency, subornation of witnesses had been re sorted to, it was their duty not to stop till they had sifted. it to the bottom. ' • Lord DONOtffigAtollE expressed his surprise at the speech or rather declarations in which his Noble Friend had indulged. Upon a simple question as to the admission of a particular point of testimony, upon which the Noble and Learned ,Lord on the Woolsack had, given so clear and' judicious an opinion, hiS NOble Friend had in terposed with such a speech as he was sure had never been heard upon sucli occasion.. Ile bad risen as if something ha4kiticcurred in debate to provoke such seAtiments,aind to call up all the angry feelings of which he was susceptible. He had made a general speech upon the principle of this Bill, which he- (Lord Donoughinore) _appre hended, had long since been fully investigated. Was ever such an opportunity takert for making such an appeal to the House ? In the middle of a decent and solemn investigation,, his Noble friend had started up,and talked of . the danger which existed, if the House were to proceed fur ther with this Bill, and by a• short. question, ,wished Co put an end to the Bill altogether. It • was not necessary thathe should meet this propo sition by argument, He would simply throw out the idea to the House, and leave it to their Lordships' consideration. . • Earl CAERNARVON; in explanation, denied that he had proposed,-by a short question, to put an end to the proceedings before the House. He certainly did not disguise his feelings.; but whatl i he did call upon their Lordships to do Was; after a charge. of bribery had been brought against the Milan C?narnission; not -to stop till that charge were fully and completely investigated. • 1 The Loan CHANCELLOR.--Is it yoty Lord ships' pleasure that the witness be again called ?. 'The short-hand writer was desired to read the last questiom . . •" Q. Had you any further conversation with Itastelli about what Rasteili was doing with the witnesses ?—A. The first time that I ha:; an y con _ Yersation with him, I was coming from the States of the Pope, and I had a conversation with him in an inn, and afterwards I had a conversation with him in other places, but we talked a little, • and then we tallied on thiS subject, and thn we turn ed to other dis'coures. One day we were com ing out olthe Custorn 7 house, and I was going out of the bulwarks of Milan; and we were then talking about . the witnesses, he told me that he had gone into 'my country about witnesses, and that when he was in my country, he went to 'ask for witnesses, and those witneases wen* .to ask others, and then they all _met 'together; and he.. had a - Sked whe'Ther they wished to depose against her, Royal Highness, and that then he - asked of them, "will you go ,to Milan with me ?" Lord EL U NBOROUGH inquired whether the. -Witness had said' wished' or '.would." The MarChese ; Spinetto ,said, that the Italian sword meant wished' or willing.' Earl Gacy-- 7 The words 'used by the witness Were t. are you willing to 'depose.' • . The answer was corrected accordingly. Q. Well ?—A... Then,they kreakfasted . at Cat oimi, and from there they went to where they. dined; when'they -arrived at Milan, they went altogether , to :the inn of . Saint •Clemene; when they 'were,at:thq inn l Rastelli told_the innkeeper •• to give them every thing.. they wanted for their victuals ; - and-that then, .one after another, they were ta.k.•en before the Advocate:Vtlmacarti and the 'English Gentlemen with, him. Ask if on any of those occasions he further skid that. hef,had paid money to, any of.those witnesses ? • . . SOLICTTOII-Cr ENEE.AL objected to the questlonteing . put-in that leading form. . LORD I CHANc.ka.LOkt asked whetfier Ras eiti said. any thing .ahOut ,paying money ? • • The question was put as amended.---A. He told them that he kept them seven days at .an • inn, and paid them forty francs. Was any thing said about expenses. beside ? He told me he had given the people that came from Piny country-.40-.francs, to Pablo Ragaoom he said he gave 50 francs, and to Bruza. There were others to whom he Mentionedlegave.mo - but he mentioned their imme3altogether. Did he say .any thing about their expellees at the inn said he had paid the innkeeper, and that, they were -to have 40 francs clear. C ross ,, examine d !vibe SoLteiTon-GENERAL. Q. W9ere did you conic from to Milan From Raga zoni, toy .countrv. How many miles did yoU travel altogether ?—About 28 or CO MHO., Do von mean 28 or 30 miles to go to Milan do. Does Raggazoni come from your country?—He comes from four miles oil, at CatZonni. . Four miles further from Milan, or four miles nearer? — Four miles nearer. Did the witness go to. Catzonni, in' order that they might all travel together to -Milan ?—Yes. 'n en tl-d the witness go to Catzonni in order that they might all go from there- ;:ogether ?—They went to the inn,' slept there, am! Set out the next morning. Did Bruzar-live at Catzonni ? The witness replied " No," without waiting for the putting, of the question, through the medium of the Interpreter, on .which the Solicitor-General quickly asked : flare-von learned English since 'yesterday ? The witness's reply to which was--. I home witat lie said,-. 1 ' Nearer." You have "said Bruza does not live at Catzonni ?—Bruza was sent to bring Raggazoni. How long were you in going from Catzonni to Milan Tio-er days: With respect to the grotto of which you made mention yesterday, what extent was it, was it forty or fifty feet ?—1 do not remember. Was it forty or fifty bracchi ?—I do not know correctly ; have never measured it. What were you paid fur curving here ? 7 --Pay I have not re-' ceived ; I have made a calculation of the injury to my busi— ness, and time lost- with and another gentleman. General Pino sent to have it :made in writing, because my family and children would not let toe go. At thiS time of the year, the people of Milan change houses, and I was com pelled to put another man instead of myself to superintend the work I had undertaken. My son could not go because he bad business to attend to at Como. and there was touch busi ness Icould not undertake because I did not know what time I should be absent,. I was told it would last three months, and I shall be without business during the whole remainder 'of the year. The suns I am to receive is 2,100 franca 871 10s. Sterling. Are your expences paid ?—They are. what is the nime'of the advocate with whom you made this agreement ?-1-Ie has been with Rastelli. What is the n,;;sic of the Advocate never asked his name. Is it Potaizi ?—No ; this writing has been looked over by the tiolicitor-General. _ ..„ Wak Vassali present at the time ?—No. Have you met Vassa4i on this business at Milan ?—Yes - ; after the writing had been made. Did you see Vassali before•the writing was made ?—I never remember it. Where did you meet General Ptno ?—At his house, when I - s.'rred hint as head mason. Did you see General Pino on the subject of this business ? have , not seers General Pino ever before or after. I met Ratti coming down the stairs of General Pino, and he told me that if I was willing to g.), that he would take care to make nie indemnification for my loss. • Did Getitsr.tl Pitt° then undertake to ray?-1 have never seen General Pino.' . - Who then is to pay the money ?—Vassali. When you made this agreement, were others there snaking agreements ?—No, Vassali was nut present, he has nut the slightest thing to do with it. Who then is to pay the money ?- 5 / a ssali. - You told us of a bill due to you from the Princess of Wales; has that bill been paid ?—Yes,lhe has paid me that bill. When was it paid was paid part in -January,•part in March, and the remainder in April, 1319. Was the money paid to you after you bad the interview with Ita,telli ?—When I spoke to Rastetli, I was not paid the whole, I had received the part in January-only. Flow Ira; is it since the last payment was made• by her Rural Highness ?—The end of April or the beginning of Alay: In the present year ?—No: in 1849. Will• you swear; that besides that agreement for 2,100 francs, that you have entered into no engagements with other persons to - receive other sums 'of money ?—I was to receive another sum of five otr six francs a day .fpr my family, but I made tut writing for this. Am I to understand that besides what you speak of, you are to ger not ping else ? Here the Queen's interpreter made some observation, on which the Marquess Spitietto remarked. • BSOUGHAm-1 most beg you willamt interfere, you are there as an interpreter, and it requires no justification. Some confusion arose in consequence. The Marquess of Spinetto pi oceeded to defend himself.— (Order.) My Lords, I am charged--,(Order.) • Mr. BbouottAst.--=Nly Lords, the Marquess Spinetto wants, to he Counsel for my interpreter, against mvself.—(A laugh.) 'Tite'l,oll,D C HAN CELLOB..—M at guess. :Spinet to you must allow me to be your Counsel, and 1 beg you will confine your self to 'a faithful interpi•etation. The SoI k ICITOR-GENERAL resumed.—Q. Will yott swear that no promise, or other payment or expectation has been made to yourself or family ?—1 mean to say that soy time is to hr considered while I remain here. • What do you expect to be paid fur the loss of your time? As they told me I am (o remain here a mouth . and a half, demanded one gold Napoleon per day. - Though•they might not 'vier promised it, do you expect it ? If they give it to me, 1 will not retuie it. Although .you have not been promised this Napoleon a day, do you not expect to receive it they give it to me 1 shall not refuse it ; hut 1 have not claimed it. Have they not behaved towards you in such a manner as to make you confident that you will' receive it? This question seas withdrawn. • Besides what you . hare received, hare any promises been made to yoo, or to any of your family ?---None. have spoken of a'per,ion of the name of Racchi ?---Yes; he assisted my family, a n d he is to teach my son the business in my absence. What recomperrecis he to get have made no arrange ment. He is not a connimil kind of man that would require a proles. Is he not architect to General Pino and the Princess ? He is. • Does he not know that Racchi. has been employed to take plans of the Villa d'Este for the purpose of this proceed ing ?---Yes; one day we went together to take plans of the old and new house. Does he know of any other plans by, Baceltilor,these pro -ce'ediugs but the plan oft he Vilia d'Esfs —There was only a part, not the whole of the Villa d'Este; taken by Racchi. ,Are ecru to receive any other benefits than those you have mentioned for . coming here?--The advantage of sending me track again ?-- 2 (A laugh.) In the room where the 'statiees vvere; were there not two doors ?—Yes.. what seas the size of that • room across ?—From the out side or the bar before nie to the third . bench, more or less ; never nfeasnred Mr. WILLIAMS, in Re-examination. Q. How many men had you in your employ Thirty bricklayers, and, thirty-four or thirty-tire helpers; now, per haps, I have none. What was the name of the English geotlentan you talked with about coming over dormt know ;I do nut recollect him ; he was a tall man. • Was his . namelleiiry ?---Yes. ' . • When ytiu talked about coming here, was any mention made about Your expellees ?—Nothing. I had been speaking with the architect ilium this affair, 'not with him. I Vhat did the architect fix as a - sum When you spoke to him on this subject ?—1 asked him his opinion, and I told him all me didicolties, because the Englishman wished to know ex actly, bring a:loan of conscience. Did you tell- the Englishman the gum the architect had fixed ?—}'es. Who told you that Vassali was to pay you ?---The architect Racchi. Was there any cornice•in the room where there were the stators, 'to which any work was ever done?—While I was with her Royal Highness I never sent any body to Work in that place:. - • The .S,,uctroa-GsNgam,asked the Interpcter if the.wprd , pilastre in Itali an me ant the as in English ?—The terpretersaidi any surtorsopport a'kiailding was a pilastre. Lord ELLENBOROUGH.—Do you recollect any pilaster near the statues?—There are some steps, a pillar, a column, the pillars are one after the other. %Vas the pillar of which you have spoken near the door, at which you entered the garden, or near the other rooms ?•-•1 was at. the.entrance as you go on ,to tind the other room with the pilastre, Then ieavas by the eeqrance from tivest of the grotto?— No': 11 (po`iiitin b to • klre,pla4),.is the entrance-to tile grotto . from the hill, or foact—tbe passage is divided by twb round piiast res. 3Vlien did you hold any conversation with Rastelli respect ing the sum you were to have froth the Princess ?—ln June, ' Jnly, or August; he was always corning, and we went out together. In what year 1319. You say the last payment was made in March, 1819 ?—Yes, for when that conversation took place there was still some thing due to me. Then the last payment was not made in the month of April or May, 1819 ?—Yes. Was it or was it not ?—lt was. When you bad this conversation in June, of what sum did you speak ?—Then I advanced a little, but they were talking of something else. Then does the witness mean to say that between April and May, 1819, and June following, any new debt was incurred with him by her Royal Highness ?—No. At the time of this conversationwith Rastelli, did the Prin cess of %Vales owe you any thing ?—Before, ae 1 have already said, she was; but when I had this conversation as to what I was to do, and not then. wish to know when you had this Conversation with Ras telli about the 145,500 francs ?—I have spoken with him when I came to Milan in March or February. What year ?—The last, 1819. Then am Ito understand that the last payment of the debt of 45,500 francs was made shortly after the conversation with haste e ?—Before the conversation with Rastelli ; we had always met, and before it was paid. • How long before ?—When they had paid me, and I bad a conversation with him, then I told him I had been paid in part. How long before the conversation respecting this sum, were you paid ?—I told yon, and I repeat it again—the Sth of March. Then am Ito understand that the conversation with Res •telti; and the paynient, took place in March ?—The payment. was in May, hut my conversation in March. What period in March ?-1 do not know the day—it was when I came to Milan. What period in May was that payment made ?—About the beginning. . Did, the witness, after the conversation with Rastelli, Make an immediate application for payment ?—Not to her, but I came back 'from Milan, and then went to Pesaro. I - L;w soon after this conversation with Rastelli did you make any application ?—I have said that I saw Rastelli at Milan, where I was four days; then when I returned house, went to the Princess at Pesaro, and a- bed for iny,money,'and she paid me, and then I returned to Milan. Did you ever mention to any one this circumstance?—Nu, because 1 went away directly. When did you first mention this to any one?—When I have been-asked at my examination. Did you, or did you not, mention it when you-went to Pe saro • to ask for payment ? Did you - ever mention it to the Princess, or any one in her suite ?—After I got my money, I could never speak to any body in the Court. Question repeated—No, because, as I told you, I went to get my money at Pesaro, and then I returned to Milan. Did you, before you got the money, 'mention the conversa tion wita Rastelli td anyone at Pesaro?—lt was nut business to be told to every one—l have not mentioned it. • Lord GROSVENOR.—Do you think that from any part adjaCent to the grotto, the statues you have been speaking of could he seen have not made such accurate observation, but I should think no person could see them. Have you seen any plans of the Villa d'Este since you came to this country ?—No ; I bad it in my mind. I wish to ask if the passage, at the grotto, was .winding or straight ?—lle says if you gu straight forward, you break your neck. - I ask whether it is a winding or a straight passage?—it is not winding, the walls are und ulatory, but the passage is a straight one. Lord DE DUNSTANVILLE.—You have said certain wit nesses were paid 50 francs each, and they were seven days at Milan; had they 50 francs daily, or for all the time ?—Once only. • - Lord LAUDERDALE.—What was ,the .last payment von received from her Royal Highness the Princess of Wales"?— The half of the 45,000 francs which she owed me,.with interest. When did you receive-the-ether hale we. received me by Mr. Long, the beginning of February. What was the hugest sum her Royal... Highness ever bwed yon francs, but with the 'interest it was 45,900 frS. Did you not once say (hat her Royal Highness owed you 145'500 francs?—Yes; for my account wh i c h- had been:in , speo ed by an architect, made me creditor 145,500 francs; but 100,000 francs I had received. When you received the 100,000 .francs, was any objection stated to your receiving thi: remaining 45,500 francs ?—What was the reason the 45,000 francs was not paid you ?—I was in the habit of receiving my money every mouth and six weeks, ' aot altogether. Lord LAUDERDALE requested the short-hand writer to , read the evidence respecting the conversation the witness had with Rastelli, where Rastelli said the English at Milan would pay him what her Royal Highness owed to him. What did Rastelli do ?—Rastelli said' to the innkeeper, send for such a man.; and after that man had come, who was Braga, he. told him to go for others. By Lord LAUDERDALE.—Has the witness often been at the Villa d'Este ?—Before I was always at the Villa d'Este, because it belonged to General Pino, and when the Princess had it I ivent. Are there any paintings in the rooms as (be house stands at present?—Her Royal Highness ordered some ceilings to be wade, and one was ordered to be painted. Kill you Mate what the painting was ?—lt was divided into pannels, and in the middle were flowers and medallions: • Do you recollect the bath-room in the Villa d'Estc ? Mr. 13eouuttam objected to this question ; in the Attor ney-General's opening no mention had been made of the bath ; if any evidence was given against her Royal Highness about the bath, it might be necessary tor her Counsel to ask a delay of five or six weeks to bring over witnesses tO disprove that:evidence, and to meet both a new case and a new public prosecutor. • The LORD CHANCELLOR said that a previous examina tion did not limit a Peer in the questions which he might think proper to put. Lord LAUDERDALE thought a Noble Lord Might put such questions wit hoot being called a public prosecutor. EarIDARNLEY stated that he had been interrupted by the Noble Lord himself in a question which he wished to put, and which he considered most proper. This House stood in the capacity of Judges, JurY, and Legislate'', and he had al ways 'understood, that it was the-duty of Judges and Jurymen ,to lean to ithe side of the accused. But he could not help taking this opportunity 'of expressing his astonishment that some of their Lordships; instead cif acting as impartial Judges, should appear more like.—(Cries of order.) Lord DUNSTANVILLE rose to order,and said a few words which were inaudible below the bar. Lori/ DARNLEY disclaimed the - application of what he had said to any particular persons. But he bad observed a dis position in that House very contrary to what he himself felt. lie confessed that in the execution of his duty,he had thought it right to lean to the side. of mercy, but he had seen another disposition in scenic Noble Lords. Lord REDESDALE begged leave to say, that be had as strong a sense of duty as the Noble Earl, and was quite as impartial. He was sorry if any one had given occasion for the obser6tion which had been made, but he was sure that it did not apply to one side of the House more than the other . Lord HOLLAND remarked, that not satisfied with the scandst of hearing partiality imputed to one side of the House the Nbble Lord must add that both sides' were partial.—(A laugh.)—He admitted the right of any Noble Lard to put any question'to a witness respecting the conduct of her Majesty, could not he doubted. But throughout the proceedings, they had 'restricted the manner of their questions to the forms of law; and his Noble Friend had been more anxious than any man in the House to take exceptions ' and those exceptions had (Alen been of great service to their Lordships. If any new facts could be brought forward, it was fit, for the sake of common candour and justice, that they should be first sub . Milted lo the House, and if it thought fit his Majesty's At tufney-Generalvand Solicitor-General, should be ordered to. intitme a solemn inquiry into t hem, otherwise fresh matter , of cha rge wou ld he introduced without allowing the accused. the Irene& of a cross-examination; therefore, in candonrand justice to the House, such questions ought to be abstained from. Undoebtedly the right existed, but it ought not to be pressed: iVitli regard to the expression, .public prosecutor, be .weeld say that he knew of no public prosecutor but that 'llthige, anti that their sitting there as Judges, Juturs, and Prnsecuteirs *as the hideous feature of the anomalous pro geediogs. • - The Earl of LAUDERD ALE explained. The Earl of DARNLI 7 .I also explained. He could not ogree with hiS Noble Friend (Lord Holland) that the House were • ' tflO diS the only-Prosecutors in this case. Therewas anotber. wool not appear, and it was a certain species of over zeal IP ,. sce G of tbat invisible Prosecutor, that he regretted to ha maritesteLOßD dby certain Members of thal House. r M s e' The CHANCELLoR inquire - d- whetter 1',,,, • A l ty's Counsel had any more questions to pn‘ to rtif wi'" 4 -s s Ar'' Mi. WILLIAMS wished to Kit a few questtions on r e . ovation totthe wit 4 . 5. \ ~. tte , ° 1 AO' Were Mi l + pliasiN r on tire titletpf the grotto the IP rd, or on 4 to-oiiposi side''—On . the opposite side• Lice, When you spoke of persons employed by you, did Iy'°,berc fine your answer to persons employed at Milan or el!e —Sonic were in Milan, and at other places. ," How many men bad you at work at the Villa dEs" be ' ,ie fore the long journey there were 85 or 40 briclilaye' t l oe orb` helpers, and after 1 made the contract to do building,.l had,under me .00 or 300 workmen. 6 ' ,Mr,ariuGuisi wishrd'to ask whether he could hart ~,v, 13 to Rastelli. He wished his Learned Friend the „Attorto, neral to say whether be was in this country or nut. No having been returned, oil' Mr, answer BROUGHAM stated, that he wished to call Ras ter ask him some questions. ,_:. Leg r , The ATTORNEY-GENERAL observed . that if his - t o+ Friend wished to call Rastelli, he should take the usua l for pocurin his attendance. A re 111 y r , 11It011 g 0311A51 was ready to take them, if leis . ren .Friend would say that Rastelli was in this country. - The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, that his Learneaiii ought to have taken those means at an earlier pell°,castO wanted the attendance of the individual in question. ."'"7 had been sent as a courier with dispatches to Milan- itas te . Mr. - BatatioriAm.—ln the midst of •his examinat lai ! has been sent out to pursue bit_ avocations as a coupe% or The ATTORNEY-GENERAL had understood from his o ft. Friend, that be should not again cross-examine 591 0 r witnesses for the Bill, and Rastelli was sent, not of knowledge, with dispatches to Milan. • After be !w e lt, telli havntg. left the' country, supposing his Learnt f en ti might wish to examine Rastelli, he had a courier OW' We fetch him hack again. His Learned Friend ought t°loo,' told him that be should have wanted Rastelli to 4g... 001 amine him. His Learned Friend might now pr ocure Lordship? order for Rastellt's attendance. for Mr. BROtiollAst knew nothing of any pressing Rastelli's evidence until the cross-examination of the Pia fill ness, and therefore could give no previous notic!itbeit Learned Friends, or to those active agents why stipPl l ! pee l with their information. His Learned Friends ought I°o4ll to have seen,' that in the cross-examination be had o il' foundation to contradict the evidence of that witness' „OD' was their duty to keep I,itu in this country till the de c o , b e , proceedings. ~ If there was any thing which those aPoss!,, they who they might, ought not to have done, it oug h . t been not to send Rastelli out of the country to Go nna' operations of this Milan Commission.. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL explained, that Rastell i h t o the courier who had conducted several Italian wity',lo this country, and the friends of those witnesses a t 1‘!,'",0,,e; tenanting serious apprehensions for their safety , 11 %. 0 1, 1 , (pence of the ill treatment which they had enc o a nte had been thought necessary that Rastelli himself sll° to Milan with letters flout them to quiet their frientls. _4Ol, telli would 'soon return , and he hoped their L o rdsl4 o .l4o not find fault with his having been sent on tbis lad Meantime his Learned Friend ust take the ordinal . ) . le • to procure his attendance. • Mr. - 13aano WA st-There is now an end to the secorttf.,ol we have had, that if witnesses perjured themselves W Y; Of be liable to he' punished. Under these circurnstanc" Lords, am I obliged to go on with the case ? .01 Tte counsel having been ordered to wit h 0, , Lord HOLLAND said, that under every ciple of honesty and justice, the fact which cef , now come out was monstrous.—Alt would O ro , lect that at the commencement of this 0 1° 0 , nate proceeding, a Noble Lord had sugge' t that iti.a case which rested on the evider tt iot tf persons from a foreign land, of whose pre * , o lo conduct and character, the Counsel and thi f ir must be ignorant, it was possible, nay it 14 0 POP bable sonic perjury should be offered at the It o The House then asked what security there that the same rule would be kept over tbose_fty nesSes as prevailed in Courts of Justice, an ti / Noble Earl over the way, with a great $137.40, ance of justice and moderation, said, that tbirjot it would be extremely difficult, accordivg ' 4 %y? Constitution, to take any compulsory steps't ° , l : o 4 tain witnesses in this country, yet that eVeriiieef that could be done, he would certainly do t o. ' J O them and prevent the ends of justice from l' e tt cb defeated. 'rite Noble , Lord had reeeiVed ° to ff commendation for this, candid and satis fac eE assurance. But 'it now appeared that ol t or e itlt those men charged by the Learned Counsel to being bribed, and having formed a consp ire the suborn others, a man who when produced otto, Bar of that House, had given the most disperu:diat and revolting evidence—it now appeared tnetil man bad not withdrawn himself, but had hee° away. out of. the country: He appealed ° e sr Noble Earl, he appealed to their Lordships/ irff pealed to the whole feeling of the whole couit";,J whether such, proceedings could be t o lerate 3t d There was Rastelli, the Witness who had 40 3 0 the most disgusting facts at 'the Bar ° 1 House, a Courier by profession, sent as sly' to the middle of this momentous investiga ti° 4lo au allied- country by- the agents of the Commission! The House had -been told b o l f o ttf Majesty's Government, you may be stare:osti' sincere endeavours, as far as the limited c ° e ar tution'of the country places the power 'tad at hands„. in case perjury should be commit te ll be your Bar, to provide that no person 51)%eti withdrawn, from justice., And yet in the xc li course of the examination. ,the man on wb era ;fic' suspicions - rested,.did not retire of his ovv p i or ity cord, but was sent away by that very au t .:, s s€ s ' which had pledged itself to detain all svitn-ceeti' If this were allowed, the whole .of the pro lc ings of the . House were a mockery, and ' .1 1 0 1 ( 3 , lesque ; its character was stained, and the vets state of their Lordships' institutions was P in jeopardy. He implored their LordsbLiPesi they valued themselvesas 'they valued tl'toor, cient institutions of the country—the b°sooo nay, the safety ,of . that country, to take oliv er effectual means of restoring it to its ficiiiM presentation, and of wiping off the disgra ce these proseedings had brought. At cl 3 ` • The Earl of LITER:POOL said, . t; ~ot) , their 'Lordships'indulgeuce for a f4iebbsersio on the attack made by the Noble' tOr d ; whether that attack- was justified =by anY co , t stance proving a departure on .his part.„rr ibet,r assurance he -hadgisp;oo.-the-Thllo.tl,itf 01°4, ever was an as:vsrance. given,-by,;;ku r . Lordships, it viefflsitteti with a 7itibere (te" fi Ol t tion to see' L l'i":'4 4 ' . rt'e`4.lrito -.W.Et:.• 6 de P l ' , :I%) 00 person,nlqiid.the .Noble 14,1 r. t o state ,al/11)31e of 'Offfelal life, in % chi . heed out eq ; eoloXi; which I did not tree;ealize,: The *Rock of the Noble Lordt.ot Self I . 4119kitanally. regard whatevombe the. result of this t r ansacti ° " s ider t e j evermigehief may arise from what 1 e° ll o tter t most violont and inflammatory speechaeloeveroll:slll.r L in ,these . walls that his Majesty' s o rd 1 ' are release'dfromany.odiem the Nobl e (”, to t o affix on. thern,—(Heft.i . , hear aio r ea l in t d ot was4he duty 'of-- those rneo conc e._ „ .0 transaction to take care the WitnesSeS. Olv ie( . 4 I to ney, Toys 4 1/SC di e tO Shi t , for