The Sun. — London, England, 1842-04-26 00:00:00

B I RKB ECK TESTIMONIAL. A public meeting was yesterday held at the Freemasons' Tavern, Great Queen-street, • for the purpose of receiving the Report of the Committee am-tainted (at an adjourned public meeting in the theatre of the London Mechanics', Institution, on the 3d of August, 1841) to take into consideration the beat means of testifying the public gratitude to Dr. Birkbeck for his services in promoting.the education of the people, especially by the promotion of Mechanics' Institutions, Lord Brougham in the Chair. The meeting was advertised to take place at one o'clock, but. long before that hoar, persons began to arrive, and by the time the chair was taken, the Hall was crowded. There were seve ral ladies in the body of the Hall and also in the Gallery. Lord Brougham took the chair at twenty-five minutes after one o'clock. /Cs Lordship was greeted with the most enthusiastic cheeringafrom all parts of the Hall as he entered. Lotd John Ruesell,,who made his appearance upon the platform imme diately after Lord Brougham, was also loudly applauded. On the platform we observed Lord Dudley Stuart, Mr. Hume, Psi. P., Mr. Roebuck, ALP., Dr. Bowring, M.P., Mr. Monckton Mines M.P. Lord BROUGHAM, on taking the Chair, said, It is impossible for the to open the business, the important business of this day, business which I may venture to describe as at onee me lancholy and gratifying, without observing in my own vindica tion,. not so much fur having come among _you on present, as for having on so many former occssiontduringt last too or three years found myself under the absolute necessity of declining to accede to so many applications from many persons I see assembled to-day to attend public nutetings. I may add that the rule which I was unliged to lay down to myself, I should most . cheerfully have once more broken, as I have broken it th i s morning, if ever_ as is very unlikely—in your day, or in mine, au occasion should again arise which called upon you and me, and the people of this country, to testify their seuse of gratitude for the obit eations they have received from the late Dr. Birkbeck.— (Cheers.) • speak from a knowledge of upwards of five-arl forty years of the late Dr. Birkbeck, and I bear testimony to his talents, to his learning, to his worth, and to his constant, steady, and strenuous devotion to all the best interests of mankind.—(Cheers.) He well kne‘e—and his conduct was formed on the maxim that the noblest of all pursuits is the pursuit of truth, and that the highest of all duties is the diffu sion of it among our fellow creatures,--(Cheers)—that human reason has no worthier, or more noble employment than its in vestigation, and that its propagation among mankind is the only legitimate use and province of all human eloquence.— ( Cheer'.) Nor letsuch observations as these be deemed trivial, because they are self-evident, and perhaps trite, when we re collect how many gifted men in all ages and countries have sinned against these rules—(Cheers)--and, suffering them selves to be led away by corrupt and sordid and selfish feelings, or blinded by party prejudices, have perverted the faculties with which Providence has endowed them, to mislead, and not guide their fellow creatures—(Cheers) — not pursue and propagate truth, but to devise errors in all their forms, from venial and slight mistake up to wilful, perverse, and pernicious delusions.—( Cheers.) When we recollect this, we must deem it, not a superfluous honour, nor unbecoming, that it is neither without its use, nor foreign from our duty to reeditate on such a life ae that of Dr. Birkbeck'a, and to profit by inch an example as he has left ue.—(Cheers.) Now, it was the peculiar province of that excellent and useful man, and it was during the whole of his career the constant object of his exertions, by all the means in his sneerer and by the unremitting and successful application of his endowments, wheiher natural or acquired, to labour inces santly en behalf of the working classes of this country. — (Cheers.) The friend of peace, including foreign peace and elomeatic tranquillity, the friend of education in all its branches, Promnter—l will not quarrel about a Word, whether he was the fuunder or origivator, or the successful promoter—of these institutions by Which education is bestowed, and which are calculate still further to bestow, the hied ciaeble benefits of education on the working classes of the comtounity.—(Cheers. ) 1d knew, as we know, that these working classes, whether they eu:tivate our fields, or work our neinufactories, or drive our trade, are the very support and life of the prosperity of England —( Renewed cheers) -_ that to their unrivalled skill, to their unwearied in • dustry, to their unfailing—l speak of - the class at large —to all ruses there are exceptions—to their nelailing and un deviating submission to the laws, in the performance of their fluty, to themselves and the country, that we owe whatever of reosperity this country has ever. reached (cs e make ) Ad e ! alas ! it is a hard reflection we must that as they are the cause of its prosperity , if ever in evil times adversity comes over her. by the hard necessity of it follows that nature,llwns by ant lot ;el soci ety which never can be otherwise, that those evils must fall cm the working, classes, that on them annat mainly end severely p ress the sufferings ringswli the greatest which those na tural reverses 4. 40 give rise to. Thencomesl of all the praise w " these industrious and . worthy . and able men can be e7esseito:ted—their that conduct, their rya s; cheerful endurance s • - patience, their suarnise , makes as of those distresses, almost • . To rai forget their se monument to other prodigious merits.—(Cheers.) wi fur the memory of one who laboured so mug. -hat em can " w d e li d,o ho so well deserved their gratitude and ours, 1. te 'trophies better than, instead of spending our money in vas.• the , of marble and stone, which he himself would have be, very first to despise, and the last to deem an appro itriate tribute—that we should .found some institution :that may help to remove those obstacles that still stand in the way of the better education of Our artisans ? I say at once, as the Committee have, is my opinion, most wisely, judiciously, and I might sty most happily sug gested, that they should found a Professorship of the application of science to the arts. I believe it is known to most of those who bear me, that one very great difficulty which is found to stand in the way of Mechanics' Institutions in various parts of the country, arises from the impossibility of obtaining lecturers. ( Hear.) It is inconceivable how small an amount of lecturing is to be found all over the country, how numerous so ever 'those institutions are.—(Hear, hear.) In communication with that society, of which both my Noble Friend (Lord John Wessell) and myself are members—l mean the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge. In communication with that Society you are aware there is formed another Central So ciety for the purpose of promoting the establishment and im provement of Mechanics' Institutions. Of that Society the e lamented Dr. Birkbeck was the President. In corre teen:deuce with these are upwards of 200 of those valuable belies, ,comprising 23,000 members, of whom, I rejoice to think, upwards of two-thirds are of the working classes ex clusivelyo s trut this average number of lectures delivered to them ~e 0 not above 1,200—1 think I,l93—making not above , lectures, on an average, to each Institution in the course of the year. Now, it has occurred to my Noli!e Friend, who has well considered this subject, that the benefits to be derived from lecturing would be greatly i n creased if is were possible to establish such a Professorship as the, Committee has wisely recommended ; a nd I h ope an d trust that this day's meeting will not end w it nou t an earnest being given in its success of the certain formation of such a Professorship. This is an occasion on which I need hardly remind you all political contention is out of the question— (Cheers)—an occasion upon which the voice of party itself is hushed, whereof 1 proceed to give you examples. Among those benevolent individuals who have signified their desire to aid you in our present desi g n i s my Nettle Friend Lord John 'Russell. —(Loud and long-con tinued cheers.) I was going to say, of my Nobl e Friend " whom to name is to praise," but you have anticipated are. There are also Lord Dedley Stuart—(Cheers)---Mr. Ilume—(Cheers)—who I am happy to know is returned in the doable sense of the word—Mr. Roebuck—(Cheers)—than whom I venture to say the working classes of this country neither have nor ever had a steadier or abler friend. There are other gentlemen all more or less varying in shades of poli tical party and opinions, but all agreeing heart and hand on this occasion.—(Cheers.) I hare it in command from his Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex to read to you his letter, with which I think really I cannot do better than occupy the few remaining minutes during which I am about to address the present meeting.—(Cheers.) [The Noble and Learned Lord then read the letter, in which his Royal,' Highness stated his en ti re approva l of the object for whichlhe meeting was convened, and that lie was only pre vented attending by reason of the delicate state of his health ; also his desire to contribute his mite towards giving effect to the recommendation of the Committee. The reading of the letter was followed by loud and protracted cheers.] Lord Brougham proceeded to say—l have stated that no diffe rence of party ought to interfere, and I am now about to sieve you that no slifferentre of political sentiment has interfered on this occasion. —(Cheers.) I have here a letter from the Secretary of State for the House Department, connected as that department most appropriately is with those things that relate to, the worltiw , classes of the ki ng d om.-- [The Noble and Learned Lord here read the letter. It was to the effect, that he heartily concurred in the objects of the meeting, and to further it lie would subscribe 10/.] 1 have also had a similar request made to me, and which I have great pleasure in communicating to the meeting, from my Noble Friend and late colleague, the President of the Beard of Trade, who has a rim appropriate connexion with thsl day's business.—( Cheers.; Lord Ripon desires that his name should be put down kir ter. guineas io this great work.—(Cheers.) The Lord Chiel Justice of the Queen's Bench, Lord Denman : 4 Great cheer- ing)—has sent the same sum. —( Chters. ) The late Attor ney-General, Sir Thomas Wilde, has sent a sum of five guineas, and the esent Attorney-General, Sir F. Pollock, has sent a similar sum.—(Cheers.) To which I have to add, but no doubt others will be added, that of a former - Attorney - General ; the late Lord Chan- Qellor of Ireland, Lord Campbell, has authorised me to give the same sum ; arid Lord Lyndhurst—( Cheers ) desires me to put his name down for the same sum.—(Cheers. ) It remains only now for me, to express the great gratification I have in finding men of all panics and shades of opinion joining in furthering this great and (rood object. 1 have no manner of diubt, under the blessing or Divine Providence, we shall sue cced—(Cheers)—in the object we all have in view, not merely of recording our sentiments of the high merits and great prac tical good actually done during the course of so many years by that most eminent and worthy individual, whose name brings us together this day,- but to further the progress of that work, by furthering the improvement of the working 6asses of the people.—( Great cheering.) Captain• ACKERLEY, from the body of the meeting, called out, Are you for - Universal Suffrage, Lord Broughem?"..._ (Cr.:fat confusion and uproar, amid which)-- Lord BROUGHAM rose, and after obtaining silence with some difficulty, said—Sir, if you don't instantly cease I shall cause you to be removed.—(Great cheering.) The Secretary then read the following R e p ort " In laying before you the result of our deliberations, we will abstain 7from discussing the various forms of testimonial which have been submitted to us, confining ourselves to that which we have finally, almost unanimously, agreed to recommend as the best means of perpetuating the memory of Dr. Birkbeck's services, and of marking the gratitude of his contemporaries for those services. "Bearing constantly in view this, the main object of our labours, we resolved at our first meeting, that whatever testi monial should be determined on, ought to be of a permanent character, and ought, if possible, to be connected with t h e ad vancement ent of k now l edge among the people. ,6 In acting on this resolution we felt, that whilst we were nimble to devi se mean; of affording direct advantage to the subscribers, whom we he .e to find parts of the Ki ng d om, so it was our d u t y to avoid any application to merely local Fur. p of the proceed. of a generalcontribution. These considerations, aii ioncr „ ot h mend that a fund should be e Zlecte( e l r b s' y h s a u v b e s i c P iiption fur the rofessqrship Maehiner • and Mann purpose of founding a 111c-tures in London, to be called the to teach ;f. Professorship. - It will be the duty of the Professor these to a' t. the elements of machinery, and the application of machines, the construction and operation of whie li Pl : ,, ,.e l i l a l7; o x n hibi r t and teach to the class. He will alto show the che mistry, and other branches of natural *gi p b s i 3, to various manufacturing processes; and he will exhibit those processes by drawings and models, and by experiments. " It would have [seen satiSfaefory to us, if we could have stn.- gested some means whet - 6y the fund which We hope to raise should be devoted immediately to the inatructi o n of those classes of the people, whose intellectual and moral improve. meat Dr. Birkbeak has laboured to promote. But failing i n this endeavour, we believ e that our plan will indirectly, and not vary remotely, tend materially to advance the education of the working classes. It wilt be the duty of the Professor him.. self to have constant intercourse with manufacturers and their workmen ; an (observing thus the difficulties which the latter have to surmount in learning the principles of the arts prac tised by them) he may be inclined, as he will certainly be most Et; to suggest means for removing those difficulties. We would indeed urge that the terms of the Professor's appointment should direct his attention to this matter. " It is probable also that during the intervals of the College session, the Professor will find it his interest to lecture at In stitutions in the country, where he will contribute to introduce a branch of teaching which has not perhaps hitherto sufficient:y prevailed within them ; and we feel a strong hope that of the students who will frequent the class which we propose to found, many will afterwards devote themselves to popular instruction. By these means we believe that the Birkheck Professorship will, at no distant period, largely promote the instruction of workmen, whether agricultural or manufacturing. A class of teachers will we hope be sent forth, who will carry into the various institutions of the country, the systematic instruction which they have obtaine d from the p ro p o sed chair ; nor need we doubt that, if the fee of the class is sufficiently low, school masters will frequent it in order to qualify themselves to impart that knoWledge which, though it is of the most valuable that the future workman can acquire, has nevertheless been hitherto the most difficult to attain. We think that the Chair which we recommend is most likely to be efficient and permanent if attached to some existing and largely endowed institution for education ; and we therefore recommend that the Professorship shall be established in Uni versity College, Lontim. Although, according to the system of the College, this class may be attended alone upon mere payment of the fee, without involving any other expense, yet the study which we desire to promote will (like all others) be best pursued in a place where the sciences connected with it are taught. The Chemical Laboratories in University College, together with the large collections which it possesses of models and apparatus, will greatly aid the labours of the Professor, and diminish the cost of establishing and maintaining the Chair. We have also reason to hope, that if means should he raised by subscription for founding and endowing the Professorship, those means may be augmented by a grant from the College funds, or from some of the endowments at its disposal, and may become a motive with friends of education to endow it more largely or found Scholarships in connexion with it. In pro portion to the extent of the endowment will be the diminution of the fee. "‘ We have also strongly felt that there can be no fitter place wherein to establish a Memorial of Dr. Birkbeck's services to mankind, than University College--an Institution in the foundation of which he bore a prominent part." Mr. HUME, M.P. then rose to move the first resolution, and was most enthusiastically received. He was not aware why the first resolution had been put into his hand, unless it was because he had been one of those who had earnestly re quested the Noble Chairman to deviate from the rule lie had laid down of late years not to attend public meetings, but to sanction an Institution for the benefit of those classes to whose interest his whole life had been devoted.—(Cheers.) He con • curred in every sentence of the excellent speech of the Noble Lord in the Chair. The Resolution he had to propose was as follows— " It is the opinion of this meeting that upon the sound education of the great body of the people mainly depend, under Divine Proviticnce, the stability and happiness o f nations ; and that Mechanics' Institutions have greatly contributed to that education by the direct instruction and by the rational re creation which they afford to the working classes." Such was the resolution he had to propose. He would not de tain the meeting at any length, bemuse he did not consider it necessary to recommend such a p'an to their notice ; but then he would say, that he never attended a public meeting at which he felt greater satisfaction as to the result, than the present.-- (Cheers.) It was most gratifying to see men of all parties, when party ran so high, coming forward in support of so great and general an object,—an object confined to no class. Whatever class of politicians were in power, nothing was of such im portance as to raise the condition of the working classes. He was one of those who considered that it was as important that a Government should provide for the education of the I people, as that it should provide for their physical wants by the erection of poor-houses. He had been ever anxious to for ward that great object, and he deeply deplored that it had not made greater progress. The working classes themselves were, he was glad to see, now pushing forward to point out the necessity of this object.—(Cheers.) He had known Dr. Birkbeck for many years, not simply as the advocate of Mechanics' Institutions, but as the friend of general education, when it was a question even amo.ig many well-meaning persons, if general education were a good or not. He bad found Dr. Birkbeck, so long ago as 1811 or 1812, the earnest promoter of every plan fur the general education of the working classes. Dr. Birkbeek was himself one of the working classes. He had earned all that he possessed by his own labours, and yet, unlike too many profes sional men, who kept aloof from all participation in. any Inca cures of a public nature, lest it should affect their private interest, Dr. Birkbeck was ever ready to come forward pub licly and privately, in the most zealous manner, to pro mste that object. The present occasion was one of the utmost importance. They had lost Dr. Birkbeck, and what could be more fitting than to make that loss itself a means of continuing Dr. Birkbeck's labours, and ap pointing this Professorship. He thought that the Professorship should be appointed to University College, because he was aware of the labours of Dr. Birkbeck in founding University College. No nsan ever exhibited more zeal and energy in the pursuit of his own private interest, than Dr. Birkbeck had ex hibited in promoting the foundation of University College. That institution was founded on the great principle of giving education tor all, without any distinction of creed, tenet, pro fession, or country. He was aware that a difference of opinion had existed on the subject of endowing this t'rofessorship, among the members of the Committee `s former meeting on this subject, but he trusted that - sold be no difference of opinion as to the propriety Ihrkbeck's labours by the foundation of a "d,carry down the name of Dr. Birk -ould stimulate others to imitate At it would be a waste of nation of a Profes and if Dr. 4 - con- at the.. now there w, of continuing Dr. _ Professorship, which woe beck to ages yet to come, and s.. his exertions.—( Cheere. ) He thous. money to erect a marble statue. The four.. snrshi? would be a monument far more lasting, Birkbeck could give an opinion on the subject, he Le. sinned, from what he knew of Dr. Birkbeck, that he woutu say, " The promotion of the education of mankind has ever been with me the primary object of my life, and nothing can be more gratifying to me than that you should take care to carry out that object.”—(Cheers.) lie thought that by. , doing this they should be doing an honour to the country. —(Cheers.) He was aware that there were many persons who objected to endowments of any sort. He objected to many endowments, but he only objected to them when they were abused ; .aod he trusted that in the appointment of this Professor the Cummittee would take care to lay down such rules as should prevent any abuse arising.--/ Cheers.) On those grounds he cordially approvod of the object of the present meeting, and was del . ghted to see the manner in which their Noble and Learned Chairman was supported; and he was re joiced to see this the more, because it would go forth to the world, that, however men might differ as to other things, still when the education of the working classes was concerned there was no difference ofopinion, but that all parties were united in bearing testimony to the labours of Dr. Birkbeck in the manner which would have been most gratifying to Dr. Birkbeck himself, by continuing his services to mankind.—(Loud cheers.) Mr. R. Tarr.oa was glad to be permitted to second the motion. It had been his good fortune to be acquainted with Dr. Birkbeck, and to have co-operated with him and the Noble Lord in the foundation of University College. He had also witnessed the great zeal and uniting energy with which Dr. Birkbeck had laboured in founding the London Mecha nics' Institution, and in supporting and promoting its interests. None but those who had witnessed his labours could be aware of his unceasing exertions in behalf of that Institution. He superintended all the financial operations of the. Institution. If any difference arose, his interference was always the means of restoring harmony. If lectures wore wanted, Dr. Birkbeck was always ready. He devoted the greater part of the leisure of his very laborious life in promoting the welfare of that Institution. It was not only to the Louden Mechanics' Institution, but to the cause of the education of the people generally, that the talents and the labours of Dr. Birkbeck were ever devoted. His Lordship, and many of the gentlemen present, knew how actively his services wore rendered to the University College. He might also advert to the assistance which Dr. Birkbeck rendered to that school of which his Lordship laid the first stone in the City of London, and which now num bered between 400 and 500 pupils. They could not express their regard for the memory of such a man in a way more honourable to him and more likely to be of permanent service to the cause to which he devoted his life, than by erecting such a Professorship as that mentioned in the resole- i than. 'There had certainly been abuies in endowments ; but still endowments were part of the capital of the country. Many of the abuses alluded to had also, it should be remem bered, been removed of late years ; and many valuable institutions which had become almost utterly useless to the public, at large, had been resuscitated. He trusted from the countenance which the proposal of a fitting memorial to the memory of Dr. Birkbeck had that day received, that the pro ject would he speedily accelerated. The Hon. Gentleman con cluded by seconding the resolution. Mr. ifoncsKtsr said, that he felt he owed some apology to the meeting, and to his Lordship, for trespassing on tli.sir attention. He would not detain them long, and ho would confine himself strictly to the purposes for which they had as• sembled. Lest he should be mistaken at the outset, he begged leave to say, that, however intense might be the admiration of the gentlemen around him for the memory of Dr. Birkbeck, their admiration did not surpass his. —( Hear, hear.) /t was because he wa s d es i rous of imprinting his admiration on the spirit of all time, that he rose on that occasion to make a suggestion radio: adverse to the report which they had heard, although not adverse to the resolution which had been moved. lie. was decidedly adverse to the endowment of a' Professorship, and still more decidedly ad verse to the connexion of that Professorship with the Landon University College. As he understood it, the Professorship was intended to promote knowledge among the humbler classes. Now it was pretty evident that to a college which was frequented exclusively by the wealthy and middle. classes, th e labouring classes would never resort for instruction. As far as' he could judge of such Professorships they had contributed very little to the honour of those whose names they bole; and some of these were very little known beyond the walls of the seminary in which they were endowed. If they were, therefore, to establish such a Professorship as that proposed, it would completely fail, he thought, to honour, or even to commemorate the memory of Dr, Birkbeck. Ho might mention, as an example in point, the case of a Profes sorship iu the University of Oxford, endowed by Mr. Viner ; but he believed that the Vinerian Professorship would be almost wholly unknown to the es. orld at large if Blackstone had never written his Commentaries. - If the Professor were a clever one, the Professorship would be only known in connexion with his name ; and it he were an indolent or an incapable man, the foundation could neither confer honour nor utility of any kind. But if there were good reasons for not establishing a Professorship at all, there were besides, in his opinion, very solid and substantial reasons why such a Professorship, even if established, should not be con nected with the London University College. He believed that the proceedings of that College were very little known beyond its walls. That College had been established seventeen years ago, and he wanted to know what great man it had produced, or what great discovery it had led to either in science or in lite rature ? He would even say that, in his opinion, no event had given so great a blow to the liberal aspirations of the age as the complete failure of that College.—(Dissent and interruption.) He knew nothing great or good to which it had contributed, and knew of no greater abortion in modern times, save and except the Reform Bill.—(Marks of dissent. ) But there was also a strong personal reason against founding a Professorship in connection with the London University; for although Dr. Birkbeck had contributed liberally to that insti tution, about the year MO he withdrew from it, and he never afterwards took part in the management.—(Cries of "No, no I") About th,s period, or a little subsequent to it, Dr. Birkbeck expressed to him the very strongest opinion against the University. Upon these grounds he must dissent from the Proposal of the Committee to establish a Professorship in connection with the London University. The respected Chair man had referred to the project of erecting a statue to th e memory of Dr. not have addressed that meeting had it not been that there were other alternatives by which they might attain the object ; and he thought the plan - of erecting a statue or tablet in St. Paul's preferable to that which had been suggested by the Committee. here was, hnwever,another plan to which neither the Noble Chairman nor the Committee had alluded, but which he thought far preferable to any that had been suggested; namely, to establish itinerant o it l y d o t f liem, profe ssors hi ps under the control of a body in whom the fun d s should b e veste d for that purpose. — (C heers. ) L ord B roug h am Ia and told them very truly, that there was a great paucity t lecturers for the Mechanics' Institutions scattered through the country. Now, surely the best means of removing that evil w as to establish one or more itinerant professors, who should live lectures to the Mechanics' Institutions in general, under the direction of a Committee appointed to superintend their 'about s. —( Hear, hear, and cheers.) This plan he would prefer even to the erecting a statue in St. Paul's, though to erect a statue in that great national temple was, in his opinion, prefer able, because more likely to honour his virtues, to the endowing a Professorship in the London Univet city. It was to propose this plan that he had risen to address the meeting. What he would suggest was, that they should refer the matter back to the Committee, with instructions to ascertain the probable expense of erecting a statue to the memory of Dr. Birkbeck in St. Paul's Cathedral, and also what would be the cost of establishing itinerant professorships; and, having ascertained this, the Com mittee should report again to a 'allelic meeting. Tile CHAT ASIAN said, before he put the resolution, he hoped Mr. Hodgskin would have the-candour to listen to one or two words, in reference to his proposal. There need be no differ ence of opinion among them upon this matter. If any persons proposed a statue to a professorship, let them subscribe for a statue.—(Laughter.) If any person preferred a pro fessorship to a statue, let them subscribe for a professorship. The one did not at all exclude the other. Judging, however, by those whom he had heard speak on the subject, and by those who had tendered their subscriptions, he interred that there would be a very small subscription for the marble, whilst there would be—he would not say a very large—but a considerable and competent one for the Professorship. The only question, then, was, as to the two kinds of professorships. He quite agreed with Mr. Hodgskin, that if they had funds sufficient for the purpose, itinerant professorships would be beyond all com parison better than any one ventral professorship. But the fact was, the Committee, before they made their report, had taken both proposals into their serious consideration; and it appeared from their calculation, that if one itinerant profes sorship was established, taking whole number of Mechanics' Institutions that would require his aid, it would amount to one course of lectures for each institution every sixth yearae ( Laughter.) Undoubtedly, if they could afford forty ur fifty itinerant professorships, that would be forty or fifty times better than establishing a Professorship at the University Col. lege.—( Hear.) He was afraid, however, that there was no hope that such would be the case. It appeared to him, there fore, that they could afford the Profeasorship, whilst they could not afford the itinerancy. Now with regard to the London University, as the head of that body— Here his Lordship was interrupted by a person who at tempted to address the meeting, and complained that the Chairman was out of order in doing so. After several ineffec tual attempts to address the meeting, he at last succeeded, through the interpositiort of the Chairman, in obtaining a bearing, when he said, that his name was Watkins, and that his only object then was to inquire of the Chairman whether the resolution which was about to be put, was a resolution proposing a Professorship at the London University? The CHAIRMAN said, that there was no allusion whatever of the kind. Mr. HODGSKIN then proposed an amendment to the effect, that the lleport be referred back to the Committee, with in structions to state what would be the expense of erecting, a statue in St. Paul's, and also what would be the expense, of es tablishing itinerant professorships. On the resolution and amendment being put from the Chair, the former was carried. Lord J. RUSSELL then rose and said, after the eloquent ob servations that were made to you by the Chairman at the com mencement of this meeting, and after what you have heard from Mr. Hume and Ale. Taylor, in proposing and seconding the first resolution. I need not detain you longer than a very few minutes. You will all agree, and I am happy to see that the gentlenrin who moved' the amendment emphatically agrees, in bearing testimony to the merit of Dr. Birkbeek. The resolution which I have to move is, simply to record the sense which this meeting entertains of those merits. It refers to the class which he instituted for mechanics at Glasgow as long ago as the year 1800. Before that time no doubt there were men of great mechanical skill, some of mechanical genius, among the working classes ; but they had every difficulty to contend with if they endeavoured to make that skill and that genius available by the addition of acquired knowledge.—( Hear, hear.) It was the merit of Dr. Birkbeck that in . Glasgow, he insti tuted a class by which that science and that knowledge might be attained. Many years afterwards, when in London, he contributed, by his attention, by his labours, and munificently by his means, to the foundation of the Mechanics' Institute in this metropolis. Others have sought, in the mode of disposing of their fortune, either enjoyments for themselves, or the means of raising that which should be a benefit in future to their family. Dr. Birkbeck was one of those who wished that the fortune which he had honourably acquired should be the means of benefiting his fellow-men at all future limes. And now, Gentlemen, agreeing as I have no doubt you do, in recerdmg your sense of the-Merits of Dr. Birkbeck, I wilt say but one word or two as to the nature of the monu ment you should raise to his memory. It appears to me that to the extent of your funds, you should endeavour to make that monument useful to mankind. There are those who, honourably to themselves, and gloriously to the country to which they belong, obtain by their military and naval services distinction at the moment, and fame fur ever. It is most useful to a country that there should be such men—it is useful that there should be these rewards and dis- . tinctions, and that they should receive the fame of marbles and monuments, and all the honours that attend on their merits, But merits of the kind possessed by Dr. Birkbeck are not re warded by immediate fame; they are unobtrusive in their ope ration, but they tend to the improvement of mankind in all ages; they tend to the promotion of peace and the diffusion of know ledge and to Diving men a better knowledge of their duties, both to those immediately surrounding them, their Cello wecount ry men, and to living in peace and brotherhood with foreign nations. 'l'o such men we can raise no monument so fitting as that which shall be continually, perpetually, and uninterruptedly useful to mankind. 1 ask you, therefore, to agree to the resolution for founding a Professorship in University College. I call on you to agree to that which is fitting to the character of bins wo are about to honour; and I trust that, as his exertiuns have tended to the general benefit of his countrymen, the subscription will be as widely diffused as possible, and that the knowledge of what has passed here to-day will incite other of similar benevolence, of less confidence perhaps, of men to achieve similar services, but still th a t being men to believe that honours and rewards w ill beven not onl to those more captivating and exciting ser viaciee able e it incite s`'". men which havepla too s ni perhaps, though not undeservedly, g but that they will be given also to those who have been e n g a g e d l e the work of p eace and bene vlimprovement gild nnivereal charity, that thesegained the applause of handed down to fu'ure ages, and obtain their reward in the gratitu de and veneration of m a nkind. °enee' men of Rill universallikewise b e Mr. BASIL MONTAGUE mowed the next resolution, that— " This meeting desire to record their deep sense of the emi nent services which Dr. Birkbeck !tits rendered to the educa tion of the people by founding in 1800, anel by teaching a class for mechanics at eitasseet, by his munificent aid in founding and his constaet care in superintending the London Mechanics' Institution, and by his assistance its foerolno similar bodies throughout the kingdom." He stated that the late Dr. Birkbeck originally belonged to the Society of Friends ; he eulogised the system of education prevailing among that respected body. and after passing a high eulogium on the personal ssharacter of Dr. Birkbeck, referred to the importance and super,s of his labours. All that was required of them was the grateful cgpression of their respect for the memory of the man who had heeefited mankind by the establishment of Mechanics' Institutions. A person in the lower part of the room, whose name we understood to be Wereiss, said, amid considerable noise and confusion, that the resolution might to be placed in the hands of a person who had shown practical devotion to the opinions of Dr. Birkbeck.—( Cries of " Turn him out," and dutch uproar.) The CHA r lot Atir said he did not think the gentleman was out of order in speaking to the resolution. Bat he would put it to his good sense and feeling whether they ought not to avoid all unnecessary allusion to political matters. Let them reserve them for another occasion. Some further interruption then took place, but after a few words from the Noble Chairman order was restored, and the resolution was put and carried unanimously. Lord DUDLEY STUART said that when he heard the pre sent meeting was to be held, he did not for a moment hesitate on determining to attend it, because he was and must ever be most anxious to do everything that was in his power. little though that might be, to testify his veneration for the memory of the late Dr. Birkbeek, He ( Lord S.) had had the honour of being well acquainted with that deeply-lamented gentleman, and had " been a great admirer f his virtues, both public and private. He honoured the man' who had passed his whole life in devoting himself to the ser vice, not only of his country, but also of mankind in general. Dr. Birkbeck had been mentioned to them to-day in eloquent terms, as the friend of all mankind, and particularly of the working classes. It was to their advantage ho had especially devoted all the energies and powers (ibis brilliant understanding. Dr. Birkbeck might indeed be sail to be an ornament not only to his country, but the world and age in which he lived. Others had celebrated his praises, and the present meeting was a proud testimony to his merits, and the proof of the ve neration in which his memory was held by his countrymen. — (Cheers.) It needed not, therefore, the feeble words of one Lice himself to pronounce a panegyric upon him.—(Cheers.) All knew his general character well. They had all witnessed his general philanthrophy and his important labours.—(Loud cheering.) There was one proof which Dr. Birkbeck gave ; of his labours in an eminent d egree , t o whic he would advert. It was a subject that first gave him the opportunity of becoming acquainted with Dr. Birkbeck, and which bound him to him afterwards, _ _ during the whole of his life, in ties of the greatest friendship. Dr. Birkbeck was the friend of all mankind; of the working classes, he was the most enthusiastic friend ; and he was the friend to the cause of Poland—(Cheers)—which with all his intelligence he never would have been had he considered that cause the cuse of the aristocracy, and not the working classes. --(Cheers.) The resolution which had been put into his hand went to the principle and adoption of the Report of the Committee. That subject he might be excused from arguing now, as it had been discussed a short time ago. The Noble Lord concluded by moving the following resolution : " This meeting approve and adopt the Report of the Com mittee appointed on the 3d of August last ; and are of opinion that. the most fitting method of testifying the public gratitude to Dr. Birkbeck is by founding, in University College, London, a Professorship of Machinery and Manufactures, including the ap?lication of Chemistry and other branches of Nature 'Phi losophy to the Arts, and that a subscription be commenced for this purpose." Mr. DILLON seconded the resolution.. He agreed with the remarks made by the Noble and Learned Chairman on the subject of the plan recommended by the Committee to this meeting. hi the present instance, if they could not do all they would; they must do all they could.—(Cheers.) The monument about to be erected to Dr. Birkbeck ap peared to him to be peculiarly appropriate ; or, if they would seek another monument to Dr. Birkbeck, he would ask them to look around.—( Cheers.) He would ask them to look at the Chairman, and those by whom he was sur rounded, and at that great meeting—( Cheers)—brought to gether, as It was, to do justice to a man for endeavouring to promote the cause of education, and the welfare of the wot king i classes of society.—(Cheers.) To such a man, a more appro priate monument could not be raised than that proposed by the Committee. They were not able to do all they might wish for the benefit of their fellew-countrymen, they could not prevent poverty, and distress, and privation, but they might much mi tigate it by diffusing knowledge.—(Chee:s. ) The best mode of promoting the greatest happiness to the greatest number, was to promote knowledge. When they had established the Professorship in question, he trusted that every Professor would endeavour tb exceed Dr. Birkbeck in his usefulness. —( Cheers. ) Mr. Focco, who spoke from the body of the hall, and who was at times inaudible, said that the Noble Lord in the chair had not been made aware of the proceedings of a meeting which had previouily been held on this subject, with which he ought to have been made acquainted. At that public meeting, which had been held on the 3d of August, at the London Mechanics' Institution, the subject of founding the Professorship had been debated, and he was sorry that the Committee had not . . _ _ called those before them who on that occasion had differed from them in opinion. On that occasion the propriety of founding a lectureship on moral duties was suggested, and he felt con vinced that that would be a preferable plan. Dr. Birkbeck, in allusion to a Professorship of Machinery, told him that he did not know any one capable of filling such a Professorship ; but in founding a lectureship on moral duties he thought they would have better success. A working man ex hausted by his day's toil would not go to listen to lectures on machinery, but the working man would go to listen to a course of lectures on moral duties as a recreation. He hoped the Committee would allow of some modification of their proposi tion. He disapproved of endowments altogether. He would remind them that the great object they had in view was the improvement of the minds of the people , and if they worked well for 10 or 15 years, they would then be able to get a lecture very well of theo.selves without the assistance of professors. For his part he wished that some means could be devised for ex tending the benefits of the establishment, whatever it might be, and which they should endow throughout the country at large. A Youata MAN in the body of the meeting said that he trusted he should be pardoned if he trespassed for a moment on their indulgence. He seas himself one who had bene fited . hy these Mechanics' Institutions, to the establishment of which Dr. Birkbeck had nisinly contributed. It appeared to him that the establishment of a Professorship in the Univer sity Colle g e would not be the be=t; means of perpetuating the memory of Dr. Birkbeck among the morking classes. And it should be recollected that that was the object which the meet ing had principally in view. In his opinion the establish ment of itinerant lectureships, as had been suggested by a gentleman who had preceded him, would much more effectually contribute to the purpose. He believed that lectures at the London University would not be attended by the working men generally of the Metropolis, and to 'the working men of other towns they would be wholly useless. He would there fore propose as an amendment to the resolution—" That in the opinion of this Meeting, the best way to perpetuate the memory of Dr. Birkbeck among the working classes would be the establishment of itinerant lectureships." • Lord BaoncifAst hoped he might be permitted, before putting the question. to explain to the two gentlemen who had just spoken, that -it was a great mistake to suppose that the appointment of a Professorship in the London Univer sity, implied that it was to be an endowment paid by a salary, without depending at all on class fees, so as to enable the Pio- ' fessor to go to sleep in his chair, and receive hit salary without doing his business; they should then be founding an abuse instead of a professorship. There would be fees, very moderate, so as to enable the working classes to attend, and to enable the lectures to be better worth his at tendance, for that which was got for nothing, was often nothing worth, and very little valued or psofited by, by those who re eeived it. A reasonable amount of salary would be attached to the Chair, but it would not be independent of his own exer tions. As to the observation respecting an itinerant lecture ship, he was far from supposing anything in the appoint ment of the Professor that would preclude his visiting the chief workshops of industry, Birmingham, Leeds, and Manchester. It would be impossible to visit all the Mechanics' Institutions of the country, and as they became more numerous, it would be come still more impossible. His Lordship then read the amendment, proposing the foundation of an itinerant Lec tureship. Mr. TRACEY asked if the original resolution was capable of all the modifications his Lordship had alluded to? Lord BROUGHAM had no hesitation in saying, that in his opinion the foundation of such a Professorship in connection with the London University was perfectly compatible with, and might lead to, an itinerant lectureship to the extent described. He would go a little further, an.l pledge himself that it should be so done. He pledged himself as connnected with the Com mittee, with the subscription, and University, that if the means would afFord it lectures should be so given from time to time. Mr. TRACEY—Let the amendment be embodied in the re solution. The CHA IRMA is part of the Report, and the report has been adopted.• The Noble and Learned Lord then read from the Report the following extract : " It will be the duty of the Professor himself to have con stant intercourse with manufacturers and their workmen ; and (observing thus the difficulties which the latter have to sur mount in learning the principles of the arts practised by them) he may be inclined, as he will certainly be most fit, to suggPst means for removing those difEculties. We would indeed urge that the terms of the Professor's appointment should direct his attention to this matter. "It is propable also that during the intervals of the College Session, the Pt ofessor will Red it his interest to lecture at Insti tutions in the country, where he will contribute to introduce a branch of teaching which has not perhaps hithi rto sufficiently prevailed wiihin them ; and we feel a strong hope that of the students who will frequent the class which we propose to found, many will after yards devote themselves to popular instruction." The CITAIRMAN observed that he thought it batter to add the amendment to the resolution. It was to the effect, " That during the interval of the Session he be required to lecture in the country." The resolution, as amended, having been put and carried, . Mr. COATES, the Secretary, read letters from Lord Lans. downe and o.hers ; also a list of subscribers on the present oc casion. Among the names were those of—The Noble and Learned Chairman, Lord Brougham, 50 guineas ; Lord Lans. downe, 504 ; Lord Campbell, 10/. ; Lord J. Russell, 10/. ; Mr. Ewart, 51., &e. Mr. AIoNCKTON Aft LNES, ALP., said he had been called upon to a-ldress the meeting without premeditation, and certainly would not have done so had he not felt a wish, as a pro'essed Conservative Member of Parliament, to came there to sympathise pith them.—(Cheers.) He was anxious to show that the subject of the meeting was common ground, on which men of all opinions might meet together ; that when the education of the working classes was concerned, the stickler for the old constitution, and the man who was most anxious for an entirely new one, were united. He would merely refer to the address of Sir Robert Peel on the openingof the Tamworth Institute as a proof of what he said.—(Cheers.) There was no partisanship in the diffasion'of knowledge.—(Cheers.) All could join in the good work. Although it was a mournful occasion, yet he trusted that it would not be without its advantages. He was not called upon to interfere in any discussion that had been raised as to the propriety of disposing of the funds that would be collected, but he hoped that every gentleman would believe that the Committee, in the determination they had come to, with perfect honesty and good will, had the wirl to carry out what they believed would have been the wishes of Dr. Birkbeck.—(Cheers. ) He was certain that if the Committee had believed that, if any of the other excellent propositions which had been submitted to the Meeting, had been more feasible than the one they had pro posed, they would have had no hesitation in adopting it.— ( Cheers.) The Hoe. Gentleman concluded by proposing the following resolution "Tha — t the thanks of the Meeting be presented to the Cern mitlee and to the Secretary for their labours hitherto; that they be requested to continue their exertions for the attainment of the proposed object, and that they have leave to add to their numbers, and appoint trustees." Mr. Roeuuc lc, who was received with loud cheering, rose to second the motion of his Hon. Friend. It was needless at that time for him to enlarge upon the benefits likely to accrue from the proposal which had bean made that day ; still more need less was it for him to add his humble tribute of applause to the exertions of that great man whose memory there was no man but must honour.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") In I.im they had suffered a great loss, and they were seeking ) , to alleviate that lass by the adoption of that measure which they conceived would have been most. gratifying to that great man, had he yet lived.—(Cheers.) They had adopted the recommendation of the Committee, and, in doing so, they had done that which with Dr. Birkbeck had b e en th e o bj ect of his whole life—they had contributed to the diffusion of knowledge through the country.—(Cheers.) He would not live in mar ble or monumen al brass, but he would live in the circulation qf knowledge—and he could not die while knowledge remained. ft had been said that the Professor they were about to endow wou ld swa ll ow u p th e memory of him they desired to comme morate, Not so.—(Uheers.) No man would return from hearing those lectures, but he would call to mind who it was who had first put in motion that engine, in the ben e fit s d er i ve d from which he had just partiemated.—(Cheers.) They were shoutto erect a living monument .to him—(Che ers )—they were a4eat to make it perpetual, conti nuous , ever act i ve, and, kr . plan e B i m hP!loecent. The C omm i t t ee h a d a d opted a theit would com memorate t h e memory of manner that w ou ld h ave b een most pleas at the same ti me con f er great b enefit on p l h wirhk s i e eb, f, lhv inck whileer m in a g n t i o in h d im , s a e n lf d excite ct te others to follow his noble example.— (Cheers. ) In erecting a monument to the memory of such a man, it was not so desirable to erect a marble tomb that might be beantifd to look at, as to endeavour to promote the good o f mankind, as he had dune, and t o i nc i te others to the adopt i on of a similar virtuous POndget. F or these reasons he approved of in thele of decision of the Committee, and he cordially seconded the resolution of his Hon Friend. The Noble Chairman here left th e meet i ng , am id st t h e mos t enthuaiastie demonstrationsef applause. Lord J, Itua it, h a ying then t a k en t h e c h a i r , Mr. HILL, Qncen'g, Cminsalinr, moved the thanks of the meeting to the Noble and Learned Lord who had presided over their proceedings on that day. He believed thorn was no one to whose countenance and assistance Dr. Birkbeek was so munh indebted in the labours of his life as to the Noble and Learned LAM, The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then moved the resolution, 46 follhws That the thanks of the meeting be given to Lord Brougham for bit 4ttendfince this day, and for the great services which he had rendered towards the education of the peop:e." Mr, E. BAnses second the resolution. The resolutions were then put and unanimously carried. The SEcaET.t ay, after infor m i ng th e mee ti ng th a t th e public wou!d be raado acquainted, by advertisement, with the places where subscriptions might be paid, real a further list of contributions which he had received during the day. The meeting then separated. THE ROE H AIVIPTON MURDER. BOW -STREET.-(YESTERDAY.) FINAL EXAMINATION OF MOLLY GOOD AND RICHARD GAMBLE. (Continued cum our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) John Good examined—l live at No. 4, Orchard•row, Creek, Deptford, and am a blacksmith. I know Daniel Good. I saw him on Saturday at Newgate. I know the female prisoner at the bar. Good and she Caine to my house about seven o'clock in the evening of the 7th of April. He told me that he was a relation of mine, and bad seen me twenty-two years ago, and though he did not know me, he had heard of me. I du not recollect that I ever saw him before. He told me in her presence that he had come from Holland, where he had been with some horses for some gentlemen, had been shipwrecked, and had lost all his things, except the clothes he then wore. They both remained at my house that night, and went away together the next morning, after breakfast. I saw Daniel Good next on Saturday, about twelve o'clock, when he came alone, and remained there all the afternoon and during the night. At nine o'clock on Sunday morning he went away. I heard the murder publicly proclaimed in the street on Satur day, the 9th, when he and I and my mistress went to market. Cross-examined—Good stopped with me all the night, after I heard the murder proclaimed in the street. I supped with him. When, he said he knew me, and was a relation, he did not mention any part of Ireland. I knew the woman be fore. I never recollect to have seen him and the woman to gether before. Hannah Good-1 am the wife of the last witness. I know the female prisoner r;t - lea;;; [ only saw her once, and that was when she came to my place with Daniel Good on the 7th of April. I saw Good at Newgate on Saturday last. They called on me on the 7th ; remained there all night, and break fasted with us next morning. When they went away, I went with them to the railway station at Deptford ; she went by the train to London, and he returned with me to my own house, where he stayed till the evening of that day, He did not stay at home all day ; h e went i n an d ou t. H e b oug ht some clothes on that d ay a b out eleven o ' c l oc k . H e s h owe d t h em to me. They consisted of a jacket and trousers of fustian, a black cloth waistcoat, and a pair of stockings. He changed his clothes there, and put these on. • In the evening he left our house, and I walked part of the way with him on the road to London. We had two pints of beer together on the way. On Saturday he returned in the fustian dress, and a hod with him. By Mr. Hann —The female prisoner was not present when Good bought the clothes and changed them. Cross-examined —A t nine o'clock on ilunday mornino. he' left my house and took his things away with him, and I have not seen him since till last Saturday. Cress-examined—I heard that one Daniel Good was wanted fir a murder, but I never imagined that he was the man. On Saturday, in the afternoon, I heard of a murder, and in the evening I heard men calling it about the streets ; Good was with me at the time, carrying my basket. Good returned with me, and we supped together. We did not say one word about the murder on that night, in conversation. Mary Good left my house about ten o'clock on Friday morning. He-examined—Wh en we were in the streets, and heard the proclamation, I said it was curious than this name shoeld be Daniel Good. Good smiled, and said, " Yes, it was strange, but there were plenty of that name." John Neil, jun.—l am the son of John and Catherine Neil, and live at Greenbank, Tooley-street. I know Daniel Good, and I saw him on Saturday at Neavgate. He was at my father's house on Friday evening, the Bth of April, and I saw him there. I went with him somewhere. He went into an alley, and told me to knock at a door and tell Molly Good that he wanted her. I afterwards saw the female prisoner. I knocked at the door and asked for Mrs. Good. Good had before told me if a stranger came to the door, not to tell her that he was there, but to ask for some oranges. The woman who opened the door called Mrs. Good, and she came out; the woman at the bar is the same person. I told her that her husband wanted .her ; she then e i,ached me on the wrist. By Mr.. HALL —Tlth woman who opened the door was be hind us when I told her this. Cross-examined—She then asked me where he was. I pointed out to her where he was. She went to him and hit him on the back, but did not speak to him. He ran away and she went back to the house. He went to another street and I f .]lowed him. He then told me to go to her again, and say that I wanted her. I went, but there was a crowd round the door, and I did not tell her what he said. He called at the house again in the evening. By Mr. was dark when I went to Molly Go)d's house. Police-sergeant Thornton examiner--I watae.l the house where Molly Good lived ; it was is Flower and Dean-street. The prisoner Gamble lived at No. 2, Tindal-buildings, Gray's Inn-lane. 1 saw Gamble go into Molly Good's lodgings on Tuesday, the 12th of this month, about twelve o'clock in the day ; he remained there about an hour. I saw him leave the house, and saw Mary Good follow shortly after. She was in com pany with another female. I followed them; they soon after joined Gamble in Bishopegate-street ; they turned down Liverpool-street, aed I traced them together till the evening f that day. I site the two prisoners return to Mary Good's lodgings about 7 o'clock in the evening. I saw Gamble leave between 9 and 10; he had a bundle with him then tied up in a handkerchief. He had no bundle with him when he went into the house. He carried the bundle to Tindal-buildings. On Thursday the 14th I saw him leave Tindal-buildings, and followed him to Mary Good's. I saw him leave her house shortly after 11, however, on the same night. Previous to that I saw the two prisoners leave the George and Guy in Brickelane together. On Saturday the 16th 1 searched Gamble's lodgings. Inspector Pearce accom panied me in the search. He lodged in the second floor front room. The prisoner was not present when we began the search. There were four beds in the room, and on the floor under the bed pointed out by the landlady as being his, I found the three gowns now produced. Gamble afterwards came its; he was asked which bed he slept in, and he pointed to the one under which we had found the gowns. He was I asked if he had any property, and he said, " None." Mr. Pearce has a box with some shirts and things which he found at the lodgings. Mr. Hate—When he said he had no property, what was the question which you pat to him ? Witness. —lt was whether he had any property about the bed, and he said " None." Mr. Pearce then produced the gowns, and he said they had been given him by a friend. Examination continued—On the next day 1 searched Mary Good's lodgings, and Mud these pieces of silk (blue and black), and thispillow-case, wrapped upend laid on the sacking between two beds. I also found a bl ac k b ag un d er the bolster, con taining a purse and a pair of mits. These was 3s. 10d. in the purse. I also found three table napkins, a pair of stockings, a tabl ...cloth, two knives and forks, a pair of candlesticks, a decanter, and some china. By Mr. fleet —There were no other persons sleeping in this room beside Illary Good. I cannot tell whether Gamble has been in the habit of sleeping and cohabiting with Mary Good. Witness —I should add that there was another person slept in the sane bed with Gamble. Gamble—l ti:ink, Sir, there wi Ibe plenty of evidence that I have not cohabited with this woman. Mr. HALL—You will have an opportunity of making your statement by-and-bye ; if you have any questions to put you can do so. Gamble—No, Sir, I have no questions. Mrs. Jane Clarke, who was examined at the time when Good was brought up here, and who resides at No. 18, South-street, Manchester-square, on her oath stated that she believed the three gowns, which the last witness found at Gamble's lodgings, to have been the property of the deceased. The deceased used to speak to me of Good as her husband. This piece of blue silk I identify as being part of that with which the bonnet in which the deceased was last seen was covered. Cross-examined—l cannot tell whether the deceased and Good were married. I was not very much in the deceased's con fidence. I never saw her with a ring on during the three years that I knew her. That struck me as being rather singular. I thought it appeared as if she were a kept woman rather than a wife ,but she always behaved herself very properly. By Mr. HALL-1 do cot recollect seeing Molly Good and the deceased together about the time the blue bonnet was made. Nicholas Pearce examined—l ant an Inspector of the A division on the evening of Saturday, the 16th of April, I went to Gamble's lodgings, situate, '2, Tindal-buildings, Gray's Inn lane. I knew Gamble before, and had seen tne female prisoner before on two or three occasions. 1 first saw Gamble en Monday the 11th, coming out of the lodging s o f th e female prisoner about ive o'clock in the evening. I followed him to Aldgate, and on to Green-bank, Toolcy-street, and then to Tindal-buildings, On the next day 1 saw the two prisoners together in Bishopsgate-street, and near the Catholic chapel in eloorfields, and on the same day in Flower and Dean -street, near the George and Guy public-house, walking. I was at the female prisoner's lodgings about one o'clock its the morning of the 14th. I heard a female voice say to Molly, " Who don't he corns forward ? there's 1501. reward for him, he is sure to be taken." The voice went on to say—" Why don't he put a rope round his neck, and put a stone to it, and not disgrace his country ?" The female prisoner replied, " He has more pluck than that. Dan is the darling of my heart; she was a stinking whore and a stinking bitch." On the Ifith 1 went to Gamble's lodgings, soon after nine o'clock in the evening. I saw Gamble in Gray's Inn-lane, and asked him his name. lie said, " What's the odds to you?" I told him to come into the square, and I would speak to him, and that I was an officer. I asked him if he knew Daniel Good, the man charged with murder? He said he did, but he had not seen him, (I think he said) for eight or nine years. Prisoner—Fourteen, Sir. Examination continued—l asked him if lie knew Good's wife, and he said lie did. I asked where she resided, and he said, Flower and Dean-street. To the best of my belief he mentioned the number. .1 asked if lie had seen her lately, he said, " Once, and that was last week." I asked where he lived, and he said, 2, Tindars-buildings. I searched him and found •two keys' in one pocket, and a severely and • a half in his watch-pocket. I asked hire if he hid received a parcel or anything from Good's wife lately, and he said he had not. 'ibis was just before I searched bins. I then left him in charge of another constable, and went to No. 2, Tindal's-building., where I w.:s informed that he did live there. I returned to Gamble, and took him back with me; he showed me a box on the ground-floor, which he said was his. 1 gave him the light, and we went up stairs to the second floor front room, where there were three or four beds. I asked him which was. his, and be pointed out the ono on the left, nearest to the wall. I asked if he occupied all the bed, and he said, "No, there was some one slept with him," and the man was sent for and came to the room. I asked him if he had any property about the bed? Ha said " No." Police constable 'Thornton then began to search the bed, and in doing so, he found the three gowns produced rolled up together very tight. 1 asked Gamble to whom they belonged, and he said they were his. I asked him bow he came by them, and he said that they were given to him. I asked him by whom, and he said " a friend." I said " What friend ?" and he said " a female." I said " Who is the female? " and he said, " Does that make any difference?" I then sent him to the station-house. I took the box which I saw down stairs to the station-house, and with this key opened it iri the male prisoner's presence. The first thing t took out was this shirt. I asked him if it was his, and he said " Yes." I asked if it was marked. He first said " Yes," and then " No." It is marked in ink, "S. Perry." I then took out another shirt, marked similarly. This, he said, was his also. fie said it was given to him by the same person. I said " You've not told me who the per son was," and he said " Maty Good." Mary Good was not ' , resent then. He said, " I had them in the bundle." I went to the house of the f mule prisoner at eleven o'clock the same night, and asked her if she knew a person of the name of Rick or Rickard Gamble, and she said she did not ; she had never heard or such a person. I then sent her to the station house. Cross-examined—l went to Mary Good's, but made no search there. Wm, Henry Spice examined—l lire at No. 13, Duke. street, Grosvenor-square, and am a chemist and druggist. I had an assistant in April last, named Solomon Perry. I knew Mrs. Jane Good, the deceased. She used to wash for me and my assistant Perry. I have seen these shirts be fore, and I recognise his handwriting upon them. I am sure they are his. The deceased washed for me up to the day of her death. Mr. Parry is now in Cornwall. Stephen Purdryan, D 16, re-called—l searched the female prisoner's lodgings on Friday the Bth. I found these bundles there; they contain a gown and two small work-boxes. I found them in the corner of the room. Daniel Good, jun., was re-called, and identified the two work-boxes as having been in the possession of the deceased. He had seen them every day up to Monday the 4th of April. Whilst examining the contents of one of the boxes, the little fellow discovered hie knife, and immediately taking it up, he exclaimed, " Title is my knite, please, Sir, may I have it?" Mr. Hall said it had better n t be taken away. Mary Ann Grayson examined—l am the wife of Thomas Grayson, and lodge in the same h ouse w i t h the feet le prisoner. My husband is a silk dyer. 1 saw Good in Navigate on Satur day last. I saw the same man at Good's lodgings, about a quarter past seven on Thursday morning, 7th April. On Monday the I I th, I saw Gamble there for the first time, about the middle of the day ; he stayed some time and went to her room. I do not know what became of him afterwards. He was there again the next day ; he called about two o'clock and went up into her room. I saw him shake hands with her ; he stayed some hours, and they went out together: The last time I saw him there was on Thurs day morning, the 14th. He went up to her room then, and stopped more than an hour. They then went out and re turned together, and he did not leave before eleven o'clock. I live in the adjoining room to Mrs. Good's. Cross-examined—l have lived at that place five years, and I believe Molly Good lived there many years before I went there. I never saw Daniel Good there before the time I have al luded to, all the while I lived there. I think I mutt have seen him if he came there. I have often heard her speak about her husband being away. Gamble—You said on your oath that you have lived in this house for five years. Did you ever see me there before 11th April? Witness—No, I (lid not. Gamble—lf I had been in the habit of going there, would you have seen me ? Witness—Most likely, if you had been in the habit of going there, I should have seen you. Edward Pritchard examined—l live at 3, Essex-place, Hoxton. I am a bedstead maker, I know the two pri soners. I have followed them about lately. I saw them on Thursday, 14th inst. at the George and Guy, public-house, Brick-lane. They drank there together. I was close to them. I heard them converse together. Mrs. Good said, as near as I can recollect, " Poor Dan; he's afraid he will be taken, but he'll keep out of the way as long as he can." Gamble said, " Hold your tongue, leave it to nie, and he'll never be taken." They came out of the public-house, awl I went out after them. Alice Tluckster examined—l am bar-maid at the George and Guy public-house, Brick-lane, Spitalfields. I know the female prisoner ; she came to our house about two o'clock on Friday, the Bth of this month ; she asked me to take care of two duplicates, I said 1 would, and she gave them to me, and went away instantly. I saw her three or four days afterwards, and she asked me if I knew what I had taken, and I said yes; she said "Do not say anything about it." I have given them to Inspector Pearce. Mr. Maule—l must now go back, Sir, to the history of Sarah Butcher receiving this property, which I could not carry on before in consequence of the absence of Parry, the con stable. Susan Butcher examined—On Wednesday, 6th April, Daniel Good called at my father's house, and gave me a blue bonnet, a gown, a shawl, and handkerchief, a fur tippet, a pair of gloves, en I a pair of boots, now produced. On the following day I delivered all of them to Sergeant Parry. Police Sergeant Parry, 8 11, examined—l received the articles enumerated by the last witness from her on Thursday, 7th April. Mary Anne Clarke re-called—This bonnet belonged to Mrs. Jane Good ; I am sure of it, because I made it myself. I have seen the deceased wear it very often, every Suuday. This gown I believe to have belonged to the deceased. I have seen her wear one of the same make, colours, and pattern. Mr. HALL—Has any one looked into the box of Jane Jones, alias Good, to see what clothes were there? Witness—The wearing apparel is all taken away, I believe, Sir. At Mr. HALL'S request Inspector Pearce was recalled, anti he stated—Last Tuesday I received two duplicites from Alie Thackster ; I delivered them to Sergeant Stepher,s on the fol lowing day, and told him to redeem the property, which he did. Police Sergeant Stephens.A, 13—I secolved two duplicates on the 20th inst. in the name of William Stan!ey, from Mr. Pearce. I went to llr. &lames in Brirk-lane, and redeemed the property on th e same d ay an d left the duplilates. Mr. Maule—That's my case, Sir. Mr. Pelham--I wish to know how you propose to deal with this ease, Sir ? It the deceased were the wife of Good, the property would be his, and it would be no felony on the part of the • prisoner to receive it ; and the female • prisoner cannot be indicted as a re ceiver. If she was not his wife, and he Stole the things, and gave them to the female prisoner, then she cannot be indicted as a receiver. Then if the female prisoner he his wife, she cannot be indicted for receiving or harbouring him after the fact, supposing him to be guilty thereof. Those are the difficulties, and it rests with the Court to say how Par they are guilty, and of what offence. Mr. HALL—How do you propose, Mr. Maule, that this case should be dealt with ? Mr. Maule—l must submit to you, Sir, that there is abun dant evidence to prove that these persons are accessories after the fact, in harbouring and comforting him after the felony. There is no evidence that either the female prisoner or the deceased was the wife of Daniel G,od. They very likely both of them cohabited with him. The evidence is rather against the fejnee prisoner being his wife, for it was known that he never went there till very lately. Mr. HALL—You nee.' not mind that. I wish to hear in what way you propose to commit them. Mr. MA uLE— i t appears to me, Sir, from the evidence, that they harboured, and assisted, and aided him, knowing him to have committed the felony. Mr. HALL —There is 'but one conversation between them you know. _ ' Mr. Maule—There is one witness who heard a elnver sation between the female prisoner and another woman, which proved that she was aware of it; and the conversation between the two prisoners at the George and Guy, shows that Gamble knew of it; and another witness, the waiter at the Spotted Dog, speaks to the same' effect. It is quite clear that both the prisoners were in possession of part of the deceased's property ; they deny having pots, ssion of them at first; then I say the possession of the deceased's property proves that, after the murder, Good hastened to London, and carried off the property of the deceased ; a great part of this he took to the house of Mary Good, and, through her instru mentality, a part of it is taketi to the house of Gamble ; there it is concealed, and there it is found. If. I am right in the conclusions I draw, I say there is ample evidence to put these prisoners upon their trial on the charge of being accessories after the fact of the murder; or it not, that the fact of their having the goods and denying the possession of them without being able to account fur it, is in my opinion quite sufficient to warrant you in putting them upon their trial for being accessories after the fact. Mr. HALL —No doubt if the deceased were the wife of Da niel Good, there would ho an end of the case, and if Mary Good ware his wife, she could not be an accessory either with respect to the murder or the goods. A wife may be con cerned in a murder jointly with her husband ; but she would he considered in law sub protestati nisi. There is not however, the slightest evidence of the deceased being the wife of Daniel Good, or to show that Mary Good is, or ever was, the wife o f D an i e l G oo d . Th e case must, ierefore, be treated as if neither of them were his wife. The case against Gamble, with re spect to his being found in possession of this property, is very strong. He is seen on the 11th in the house of this Woman, and that is the first time we find them together. On the 12th, too, and on the 14th, he is seen to go into her house and to come out; and on the 16th the goods are found under his bed. I do not mean to say that this implies any attempt at secrecy, because there might have been no other place of safety wherein to deposit the property. I cannot help thinking on the whole that I should have no hesitation in saying that he ought to be put upon his trial as a receiver of stolen property. Under all the circumstances - I think I shall commit him on this part of the ease. With respect to Mary Good, the case against her as accessory after the fact is much stronger than against Gamble. ( The worthy Magistrate teen recapitulated the 'principal points in the evidence, and he then continued) : —These are all very strong facts; but I think the best and safest course I can adopt, is to commit them both as recei ers of stolen pro perty, leaving it to the gentlemen coma rned in the prosecution to prefer any other charge which they may think proper. Mr. Burnaby, the Chief Clerk, then commenced reading the depositicns, which occupied a considerable time ; they were concluded by six o'clock, when the witnesses were all bound over to prosecute, and the prisoners were fully committed to take their trial at the next Old Bailey Sessions on the charge .of receiving stolen property, well knowing it to have been stolen. Mary Good applied to know if she might have the money which had been tound upon her, and which the police hat taken from her, for the purpose of procuring some comforts for her self whilst in prison. Mr. HA L. t. granted the application, and also male an order that the IL 10s. found on Gamble shoald be given up to him. The prisoners were then removed from the bar, and were shortly after conveyed to Newgate, in the prison van, IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS, April 25. Their Lordships met at five o'clock. ADMINISTRATION OF OATHS. Lord DENMAN presented a great number of peti tions from various parts of Scotland and England, pray ing that persons having conscientious scruples against the taking of oaths should be heard upon their affirma tion in Courts of Justice. EDUCATION IN IRELAND. The Earl of WICKLOW presented petitions from various parts of Ireland, in favour of the Church Edu cation Society. Similar petitions were presented by the Earls of CHAR ' LRVILLE and l'ilotmrreAsur.L. PRESBYTERIAN MARRIAGES. .. Lord CAMPBELL, in the absence of the Marquis of Breadalbanc, presented a petition from Caithnos:;, pray ing that caution should be used in altering the law of . marriage as it affected Presbyterians. COLLEGE OF MAYNOOTIT. . The Earl of WINCHILSEA presented a petition from a place in Suffolk against the grant to the College of Msynooth. RATING OF SMALL TENEMENTS. The Noaa EARL presented a petition from the Guardians and others of tit:: Union of Coiling bourn, praying that the landlords of cottages should be rated for the same to the Poor-rates, instead of leaving it. to the parish to get the contribution from the poor inhabitants as - they could. SPIRIT DUTIES (IRELAND) BILL. The Duke of WELLINGTON in moving the third reading of. the Irish Spirit Ditties Bill said, that from the inquiries he had made he was satisfied that the Bill would not increase illicit distillation. The Noble Duke was understood to say that ii would post pone for the present the, consideration of tha clause.; relating to the drawback upon spirits imported from Scotland. Lord MONTEAGLE believed that illicit distillation was rapidly on the increase, requiring, in one county (Donegal) two-thirds of the police force to check it ; and that increase would spread over the whole of Ireland if any further encouragement were given. The Earl of WICKLOW was glad to learn that - it was the intention of the Noble Duke to introduce his measure respecting malt' in another The Noble Earl saw the danger to which the N o bl e L ord opposite (Lord Monteagle) .3 had alluded, but he hoped, however, that the assurances given by the Noble Duke would be realised. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE felt the greatest and the deepest regret that the Government were going to risk an encouragement to the revival of illicit distillation in Ireland; which, if once called into activity, would re quire an army to put it down. Lord CLO - NCLIRRY said, that the produce of the in creased tax would be but a poor compensation for the evils which it would, occasion by encourag.tn,g illicit dis tillation. The Bill was then read a third t; me and passed. E LTC AMY_ (IRELAND): The Marquis of LONDOisTDEURY Presented peti• tions from places in the county of Down, in favour of the Church Edncation Society. IMPORTATION OF CATTLE. The Earl of ROSEBEBRY presented a petition from Kent against that part of the tariff which relates to the importation of cattle. THE QUEEN'S PRISONS BILL. On the reading of the Order of the DaY for the Committee on th e Q ueen 's Prison s Bill, ; The Earl of DEVON presented a petitibn from seve ral persons confined in the Queen's Bench and Fleet Prisons, complaining that the Bill would deprive them of the indulgence of the rules which they now enjoyed. Lord CAMPBELL though tit was desirable to continue the indulgence of the rules ; but would nut move any amendment to the clauses on this subject. Lord WHARNCLIFFE objected to the rules. He said that the persons. who took advantages of theni were enabled to defy their creditors, and to refuse settle ment of their affairs. It should he rentembered that these persons could obtain their' liberty if they pleased, and the- toles only encouraged them to continue under arrest, and put off the payment of their debts. Lord DENMAN considered the rules a very great evil, with the exception of the day rules, . which certainly did sometimes enable a prisoner to bring - about a more speedy settlement of hit affairs. The Bill then went through Committee, and was or. tiered to be printed., DISSENTERS' AFFIRMATION: Lord DENMAN presented a petition from a Baptist congregation in Dunfermline, in favour of the Bill to enable those who have conscientious objections to take an oath to be allowed to give evidence on affirmztion. ANATOMY ACT. Earl STANHOPE presented a petition from a place in Cambridge, against the proposed alteration of the Corn laws, and against the new tariff. The Noble Earl also presented a petition from a gentleman named William Roberts, the inventor of an ingenious and va luable discovery in anatomical matters, complaining of a refusal, on the part of the Commissioners appointed in February, 1840, by the Secretary of State for the Home Department, for the purpose of investigating the working of the Anatomy Act, .to examine him -upon the abuses of that Act ; and praying that a Co ran , ntee might be appointed to take into consideration the serious and permanent importance of the petitioner's allegatiOns, awl that an opportunity might be afforded him of maki n r, a statement on this subject, and suppordng it by the examination of witnesses. The Marquis of NORMANBY not having had notice of the Noble Earl's intention to present the petition, or to make the- observations which had fallenfroin him,, was not prepared to answer them. He deprecated the mischief's which were occasioned by raising unfounded prejudice in the minds of the people.— (Hear, hear.) He admitted that every care should be taken to respect the feelings of the poor ; but he thought at the same time, the Noble Earl ought to exercise a more sound discretion as to the time and manner in Which he brought forward discussions of this nature.--(ilear, hear.) if the Noble Earl had given him notice, he (Lord No. would have obtained the necessary information; and he was ready to join the Noble Earl in moving for any papers or any information lie might desire. He (thc Marquis of N.) had appointed a Commission ; and the Commissioners not having. carried into eff ec t t h e reforms w hi ch he cons id ered ' desirable, he repeatedly remonstrated _ with them, upon the delay in making their report. From thew • remonstrances, the Noble Earl might see that he had been desirous of securing to the public the proper carrying out of the Bill ; and he was sure that the present Governrumt would be equally desirous to do so. The Duke of WELLINGTON thought that his Noble Friend ought not to present a petition containing impute' Cations upon an individual without giving notice. His Noble Friend had had the petition in his possession more than one day, and he had ample time to give notice. After a few words from Lord BROUGHAM, and from Earl STANHOPE in explanation, the petition was ordered to lie on the table, and the House adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS,, April ?5. The SPEAKER took his seat at the usual hoar. Mr. Timm took the oaths and his seat for the Mon trose Burghs. The lion. Gentleman was introduced by Mr. Wallace and Mr. Thornely, and was warmly -heera on his corning no to the table. MIEVILL'S DIVORCE BILL. On the motion of Me. HAYTER, Mr. Jo3eol Huston and Mr. C. Ranken were called . to the bar and examined. The former „stated that be, served Mr.i. Mi ev ill w i t h a copy of the bill (51 divorce, and the latter that he was instructed to act as Mrs. Mievill's solicitor. The Hon. Member moved dal; the service he deemed good, and that the evidence qivel• before the House of Lords on the subject be prodacuil —Agreed to." IPSWICH ELECTION PETITION. Mr. PAK INGTON reported - to the House, that the. Committee, on the Ipswich petition had ri.solved that Mr. 'R. Wason and Mr. G. Rennie were not duly returned to represent the borough of Ipswich at the last • election ; that they were by their agents guilty Di bribery at the last election ; and that the new wr it for • the borough of Ipswich be suspended until the evidence given before the Committee be taken into the considera tion of the House and printed. The Hon. Member then moved that the issuing of the writ be suspended for three weeks.—Agreed to. The Thames Haven and Dock Bill ; the Dundalk and Banbridge Railway Bill ; Warkworth Harbour Bill ; Benecke's Naturalization 13ill; and the Liverpool Health of the Town and Buildings Regulation Bill, were seve-, rally read a second time. The Cotttenham Drainage Bill was read a third time, and passed. • IRISH FISHERIES BILL. Mr. V. STUART presented a petition from Water- ford against certain clauses in the Fisheries (Irelatid) Bill. INTERNATIONAL COMMUNICATION. Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from Belg, - isll • merchants residing in Ostend, praying for a daily munication through the Post-office with this country ; • and a similar petition from British residents in Ostend. THE TARIFF—INCOME-TAX. • Mr. WICENZIE presented a petition from Peebles► against the importation of foreign cattle. Mr. lIASTIE presented a petition from Paisley, ill favour of the Tariff and the Income-tax. - Mr. DIINCOAIBE presented a petition from DrOitwicti against the Income-tax. - Mr. HUME, who rose amidst -. very great cheering, presented two petitions from Arbroath against the lu come-tax. THE SUFFRAGE. Mr. O'CONNELL presented petitions from Limerick against class legislation, for extension of the suffrage, and for a repeal of the union. • - NEWPORT ELECTION. The SPEAKER informed the House that he had re- - ceived a communication from the agent of W.J. Blake, Esq., informing him that it ivas not his intention to pro secute his petition against the .return of the sitting Member for that borough. Mr. G. PALMER presented two petitions : one from the farmers of Essex against the importation of foreign cattle ; and another from Chelmsford,-and other towns, against the proposed alteration in the duty on leather. Mr. SHIEL presented a petiti:na from Dungarvoo, praying for protection for.the Irish fisheries. Mr. VILLIERS presented two petitions ; one from place in - Hertford. against the Income• tax, and another against the Corn-laws. An HON. MEMBER presented a petition, from persoue engaged in the leather trade in Warrington, against the proposed alterati on i n th e d uty on that article. NOTICES OF MOTIONS--AFUGHANISTAN. Mr: BAILLIE gave notice that he would move fore copy of the correspondence between the Governor , Ge' - ,. nerd of India and the Board of Control from the Isto''. November, 1837, to theist of October, 1839, relating 0 Afghanistan. Mr. HUME (amidst loud cheers) said that he would - s on Thursday move for a copy of the promotion by bre vet, - with all the expenses to the country incurred - thereby ; and also for a Select Cammittee toinuire into the proceedings of the Commi ss i oners of the q National : Debt, al p)inted under the 9th Geo. IV., for the invest - inent of monies in the Savings' Banks, and the purchase - and sale of securities, connected with the exigencies ot the public service ' • end their commu n i ca ti ons Kit h the Chancellors of the. Exchequer since 1815.—(Hear.) TURKISH TREATY. Dr. BOWRING gave notice that he would, tq" morrew,• move for a copy of the correspondence relating . to the Turkish treaty. Mr. - O'CONNELL gave notice that. he would TIIM:e for a copy of the evidence before the Longford Com mittee. . , -MXAS, The IioN..MEHBER.r.Iso gave notice that he would, 16. , marrow, put a. question to the light lion. Baronet at the -. head of her 111:ijcsty's Government, touching Togas, in consequence of the alleged conduct of the British All- ulster there. VOTE BY BALLOT. - .. • Mr. SHIEL gave, notice that ha would, after the Whitsuntide holidays, move that the votes of persona l° • e:e:!r, Members to serve in Parliament, be taken by ba l. lot.—(Cheers.) DUTY ON SUGAR. Mr. LABOUCHERE gave notice of ivmotion respect' `e ing the alterations of the (tete- on sugar.. COURTS OF SESSION (SCOTLAND). • . - Mr. WALLACE moved for a 'eeturn, showing, ; II columns, the number of causes wh%.ch were standing en rolled for debate before each I/erd Ordinary, in th e Court of Session in Scotland, 'on the first o f June , 1840, and which had tot been debated that date ; _a similar r e t urn of all causes en rolled for dbate before suck Lord Ordinary, betwe' ll the said first day of June, 1840, and the present tial, e : and which are e till undebatud, showing th e d a t e of t`!" enrolment,: the date vilen debated, and that of the dee,' smog of each of the said causes before each Lord Or4'" nary ; and: also those causes which had been debat?.' B and remained undecided up to this date.—Agreed to e . SOUTHAMPTON ELECTION. Mr. REDDINGTON informed th e H ouse, as Clun r :,;,' man of the South am pt on El ect i on Committee, that k had given John Renn into the custody of the Sergeant -3 ' I Arms, for refaSing t o g i ve ev id ence b efore the C omm ittee' HoN. MEeni E n th en moved that John Beni, t; caked to the bar of the House, to know if he still perse vered in refusing to give evidence. The motion having been put, Mr. BUCK said, that as a Member of the Commit who_ doted against the committal of the individual rt question, he thought it his duty to apply t° tee House that the evidence given before the Coman'et be produced b e f ore t h e H ouse ; and he thought that e - et i House would b e sa tisfied diet th e i n di v id ua l , if he committed any o ff ence , h a d b een ' sufficiently punish _Te t 7 . 0., being given i n t o t h e h ands of the Sergeant et Arms. He would not h ave b een p l aced i n his pr e' situation were it not for a misconception e ly a resolution of the Committee, and s o stronbe dee were the Committee of that opinion that , „ C e. came to a division as to whether his el' s n e te f. should be erased. He believed the person was gul"l o i , no offence, because a person was not bound to giv e - dente which would criminate himself. W av e r, Committee, GODSON sa id th at h e, as a Member o. r Wi Waver,Committee, was of o pi n i on t h at Rena should net eon been committed a t till ; the la w was t h a t' -a , t ee was - not bound to cr i m i nate himself, and if the, man weald eritninate himself by answering t e e question, the Cuennittee were not justified ; li coarse they had a d o p te d. If h e could do nothinge' s e t 'ier • woad give a direct negat i ve to the proposition, in °,0,0 that tin. tim e m i g ht run out, an d then the witnes s be out of.custody. The Home, if it allowed this "' ro es to be adopted wou ld b e esta bli s hi ng a most Jong° ,;" precedent. -e • Sir 'l'. WILDE a pp re h en d e d t h at the proper made no COOrS y af ould be to ascertain w h et h er t h e witness mai' re . such objection. lie thought the H ouse was 11 °t 4j e l sent in a conditi on t o d ec id e t h e quest i on. the • :- The SOLICITOR-GENERA L apprehen d e d th n e e t to • '- proper cours e w ou ld -b e to h ave the witnesses call the hat• the ear: • , Thewitness, John R enn , was t h en ca ll e d to and examined b the Speaker as follws— Sen tb- Were you exam ined as a witness o b e fore th e ampton Election Committee ?—I was, ere th eel In the course of th e exam i nat i on were iew -- er ? questions put to you . whi c h you refused t° There were. , self Why ?—Because I thought it would cripil lia e te r aer" if I answered it, and would do me Will you still persist in not answering tha t lose. ally - -I am willing to bow to the decision of the g u estion' - if the House decide that 1 am to answer that q Mr. REDINGTO.N could assure the am willing to do so.—(Hear, hear.) that be great injurY . a l eeee i t ee A ? Hous . e e. The felt himself placed in a most delicate positirtry the Committee had been selected House et the sworu merits of the election. The yb y l t i l e i c e l been were f ge table to act conscientiously, and tletetyee wereof termined to do so. The Ct", 7" the witees i. opinion that, the excuse given hi :Y el - Id that °tilt was an excuse that was not jU Stifi i a must anewer mittee came to the resolution that l ie to question, which he refused to do. might in form Mr. THESIGER thought that the called back to the bar, in order that he refuse d to ansoc ,s. Muse what the question was which he ~ ht the witnec: Sir THOMAS WILDE said be tho,! )r , cty ote had conducted himself wfth perfect pi . 1 I -elf willing tho the House ov to answer, if it were decided by _ v ., je understood). he must do so. He (Sir Thomer andl !iti?_J en to sv that the witness be further examinec, r(reao l t n .n e t.Ari e s discharged from the custod of the S He had professed hone be d is r e „ s e d witness ought. of. The Reuse was placed in sumo , i u n p a o s a m u whichl time House the could ease witness h . tai the e submitted, that as t he (Sir T. Wilde) t; 1f• m that ditfiialN the House could be re..evet only way • further examined. wa s was by the witness being rehended that it et Mr. THESIG the ER said he app inquire under . wnn manifested a disposition to anseer the questions, ~,• d contempt aro. • r ie , neleparn the faced regular ee eer therefore submitted that the the Committee, in o r " c n i e r e c ' u 's t s n a s r t y anc!e or su ll p o p u o s s e e to course ise-es ottgb y to his being further ex amined, t the House el l . to decide, aud he therefore though further to examine the witness. to send the witness back before bu t thatthe House „bt ,VI4_ I 4NING, APRIL 26, 7184 a.