The Sun. — London, England, 1849-04-28 00:00:00

IMPERIAi,I, PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, April 27. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool sack at Five o'clock. The Earl of HARROWBY presented several peti tions against the sale of Beer Act. The Bishop of DURHAM presented several petitions with a similar prayer; also a petition from Durham, praying4or the abolition of the duties on paper; also a petition from Newcastle praying for the introduction of some measure to force proprietors of coal mines to adopt more efficient measures to prevent explosions in mines; and a petition from Nottingham in favour of the Bill for the prevention of seduction. The Duke of ARGYLL presented a petition from some place in Scotland against railway travelling on Sundays. PRISONERS REMOVAL (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion of the Marquis of CLANRICARDE, this Bill was read a third time. PETITIONS- The Earl of MOUN TCASBEL presented several pe titions from different congregations of Dissenters in Eng land and Ireland, and from the inhabitants of various places, in favour of the Bill for the Prevention of Trading in Seduction. The Earl of HARROWBY presented a petition from several shopkeepers in the metropolis against Sunday trading. NAVIGATION-LAWS. The Earl of EGLINTON presented soreral petitions against the repeal of the navigation-laws. Lord STANLEY presented several petitions with a similar prayer; also some petitions from various land owners praying that the free importation of foreign corn might be prohibited. It was his intention to give to the measure the most uncbmprotnising opposition, and he trusted that no threats and no anticipated difficulties would prevent their Lordships from throwing out the MP, as they could not prevent him from seeking to throw it out by every means in his power. Tho Bishop of OXFORD presented several petitions in favour of the Bill for the prevention of seduction. lie would postpone the second reading until Monday fort night. SICILY. Lord BEAUMONT asked when the papers relating to Sicily would be produced. The horrors of Messina had been surpassed by the horrors of Catania. The place had been given up to plunder and sacked, and the route of the troops had been marked by burning houses. He had understood that the property of English and French subjects, although situated in the centre of the town, had been respected, which proved that these horrors must have been perpetrated, if not by the orders, at least with the connivance of the Neapolitan commanders. He wished to know if the Government had received any in formation on the subject. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, who rose to answer the question, was so inaudible that not even the purport of his observations could be caught in the gallery. Lord STANLEY complained that the answer that the papers should be produced in a day or two was the, same that bad been given to him ten days ago. He must say, with regard to the statement of the commission of atrocities, he never saw move vague reports than those sent by the British Consul's in Sicily. The Eail of ABERDEEN had expected to find the papers on the table immediately after the recess. Lord EDDISBURY said the utmost diligence had been used in preparing the pacers, and that they were laid on the table as'soon as po,sible. The'Earl of ABERDEEN wished to have the papers relating to Piedmont Produced forthwith. The war in the north of Italy'was at an end, and the papers should be produced forthwith. After a'few' word; from Lord EDDISBURY, , Lord BROUGHAM protested against the charge which had been made. against General Filangieri, of conniving - ,at the commission of atrocities; no general could command thcr effervescent spirits of a victorious and 'exasperated army, and prevent the commission of atrocities. The Earl of IIIgTO denied that the statements of the atrocities committed at Messina had been ex aggerated, as had been stated by the Noble Lnrd (Stanley). The British Consul, Mr. Barker, had taken great pains to verify his statements, and they were not to be put down as unfounded on the strength of - those statements on which the Noble Lord had relied. lie bad seen.the statements of British officers describin g the advance of the Neapolitans on Catania as marked by the burning of the houses, and the murder of women and children. The city of Catania, one of the finest in Europe, had been wantonly destroyed, but the property of the British and Maltese in the city had been re spected, although situated in the midst of the town. The General therefore possessed sufficient command over his troops to cause property to be respected, yet he gave up the city to pillage for two days. Lord ifFaUldoNt had not tbouglit there could have been found a Noble Lord to speak of' those scenes of horror so lightly as the Noble Lord had done. He trusted that tho reports alluded to by the Noble Lord (Minto) would also be produced, and he moved for the copy of memorandums presented to the Neapolitan Government in 1814, the letter of Lord Castlereagh of 1816, and the correspondence of Mr. A'Court in 1815 and 1816. His object was to ascertain whether or not we had abandoned our engagements to Sicily, and if it should appear we had done so, nothing would prevent him from bringing for ward a motion, to g►ve the House an opportunity of ex pressing an opinion on the subject. The Marquis of LANSDO WNE said that papers had been already presented to the House, but there could be no objection to collecting and reprinting them. The Earl of MINTO said these papers were necessary to enable their Lordships to understand the nature of eur obligations towards Sicily. The motion was agreed to. GOLD COAST. On the motion of the Bishop of OXFORD certain returns, relating to missions on the Gold Coast, were ordered. PETITIONS. Earl FORTESCUE presented several petitions, praying that no more licences might be granted to beer houses. The Earl of EGLINTON presented a petition from Greenock against the repeal of the Merchant Seaman's Act. NAVIGATION-LAWS. Lord STANLEY moved that a return be from timo to time laid before Om House of the petitions presented for and against the navigation-laws. SANITARY BILL FOR LONDON. In answer to a question from a NOBLE LORD, The Earl of CARLISLE said that the Commissioners of Sewers had some most important sanitary measures under their consideration, among others a measure for the supply of the metropolis with water, and for preserving the Thames from further pollution. He trusted he should shortly be enabled to submit a mea sure for doing away with the burial of the dead in tho metropolis. CRUELTY TO ANIMALS PREVENTION BILL. The Duke of BEA.tiFORT moved the second read ing of this Bill. Lord CAMPBELL opposed the Bill, on the ground that its provisions were complicated, contradictory, and too restrictive. If enacted they would be productive of great hardship to persons who might be individually nlameless. For instance, one of the clauses provided that in caves where it apse red there had been any ex cessive cruelty used to dogs the " owner" of the doe , should be liable to a penalty. This assumed the owner was in all cases the person who would act cruelly. Another provision was that any person, man, woman, or child, riding in dog carts, were subject to penalties. Why the very object of the greater number of these carts was to follow pursuits, by the aid of these docile animal:, which includes riding, and as for children riding them, be had often seen his own children riding in them "with the greatest delight.—(A laugh.) The second clause was all that was needed, and sufficiently comprehensive to meet the case. The Duke of BEAUFORT said if the second read ing wag agreed to, be bad no objection to modify or omit the clauses alluded to by the Noble and Learned Lord. The Earl of MINTO objected entirely to this species of legislation. As to cruelty, the Noble Duke must not suppose that it was confined to the poor,'"ast this Bill ap peared to presum, it was. Did the Noble Duke' never see very heavy men riding on very little horses?—(Bear and a laugh.) Had he never seen men urge their horses at their very highest speed, when after the hounds? If not, the Noble Duke had been more fortunate than he had been.—(A laugh.) Lord REDESDALE opposed the Bill. The Bishop of OlFOrtb supported the Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR pbt the question, and, as we understood, declared the second reading carried. A conversation ensued, in which Earl GREY and the Earl of MALMESBURT opposed the Bill, on the ground that it would be ineffective as to its main object, and at the same time revive all the odious machinery of public informers. The Duke of ARGYLL supported the Bill, because it would reach the cruelties of the higher as well as the lower classes. The Earl of CARLISLE wished to know how the question before the House stood with respect to the second reading of the Bill ? The LORD CHANCELLOR said that he had already declared the second reading carried, as there were no non contents when he put the question. The Earl of CARLISLE asked what had become of the amendment that• the Bill be read a second time that day six months.? The LORD CHANCELLOR said he had not had any such amendment proposed. Lord GREY understood his Noble Friend the Earl of Minto to have moved it. The LOUD CHANCELLOR repeated that he had not heard it, and that he declared the second reading carried. The Earl of MINTO observed that he had moved such an amendment as Lord Grey stated, and it was seconded by his Noble Friend behind him. However, as the Bill could be opposed at a future stage, he would not then raise any objection to the Lord Chancellor's decision. After a brief conversation the subject dropped. Lord REDESDALE laid on the table a BM to feel- Mate the union of turnpike trusts, which was read a' first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Moo day next. Their Lordships then adjourned. ' l / 4 — EWS PAP INUSE OF COMMONS, Aprz7 27. AKER took the Chair shortly beforc Four ~ : zW A -' 22 ' .% r ' :":?: W WRIT FOR SHEFF IELD. i -)-",-.. . ~ lit, ion of Mr. TUFNELL , a new writ was I'IC 0 . 4 4 : 9 # t 4 c for tho boro l gh of Sheffi i eld n the room '<-:it•"' ' or-iltr,3!" rge Ward Esq.. who had a ccepted the igeeltr. bi-' rd of her Iviajesty'3 Chiltern nundrf.ds. .. dti,b_sir.lo Mr. HE WORTH presented a p4ition from Leicester bl iiTATOcingth3 Clergy Relief Bill. Mr. HENRY presented a petition from Churchtown, Lancashire, in favour of a diminution of the number of beer-sbops, and complaining of their evil tendency. Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT presented petitions from places in Wiltshire in favour of the Marriage Bill. Mr. CL AY presented a petition from Hull is favour of the Clergy Relief Bill Mr. MOSTYN presented petitions from several parts of Wales against the alteration of the Law of Marriage Bill. Mr. COWAN presented petitions from Edinburgh and other places in favour of the Clergy Relief Bill. Mr. GOULBURN presented several petitions in favour of the diminution of the number of beer•houses ; also several petitions from Middlesex and Huntingdon against the Marriage Bill. Mr. J. S. WORTLEY presented petitions in favour of the Bill; also a petition from the Committee of Supply of the County of Bute against the Lunatic Asylums (Scotland) Bill. Mr. G. THOMPSON presented petitions from Gla morgan and other places in favour of arbitration in the case of international disputes. Mr. COBDEN presented several petitions in favour of the Clergy Relief Bill, and also petitions in favour of a reduction of the national expenditure from different parts of Yorkshire. Mr. HUME presented petitions from Fife against the Marriage Registration Bill; also a petition fron Montrose against the Scotch Lunatic Asylums Bill ; and peti tions in favour of the Clergy Relief Bill. TREATMENT OF IRISII PAUPERS AT CORK. Mr. STAFFORD wished to know whether, with re gard to the statement which it appeared from one of the papers that the Hon. Member for Cork had made last night, that the corporation of Cork had voted one hundred pounds to transport all their paupers to England, the Right Honourable Gentleman the Secretary of State fur tlae Home Department had re ceived any information of such illegal conduct on the part of the Cork authorities. - Sir G. GREY had received no information whatever on the subject. Mr. FAGAN had stated that the authorities of Cork had voted 1001. to cart all tho paupers out of the place. POLICE RATE. Lord DUDLEY STUART wished to put a question to the Right Lion. Gentleman the Home Secretary with regard to the metropolitan police. By the Police Act the Government was authorised to advance 95,0001. out of the Consolidated Fund towards the maintenance of the metropolitan police force, whenever the metropolitan parishes should have paid a sum equal to 6d. in the pound on the rating towards their maintenance. In 1847 the ma gistrates of Middlesex had re- assessed the county at 7,700,0001., instead of 6,200,0001., which had been the assessment previously ; cons( quently 35,0001. more was levied towards the police rate, under the new assessment, before the Government could advance the 95,000/. In answer to representations made to the Goverment on this subject, it had been stated that it was the intention of the Government to introduce a Bill authorising it to make the advance when the rate should be fivepenco in the pound, instead of sixpences.— (Hear.) He wiel:ed to ask his Right Hon. Friend, although cir cumstances may have made it necessary to impose this burden on the ratepayers of Middlesex during the last year, whether it was likely to be permanent? He trusted that an explicit answer would be given to this question, in order that the irritation which had been excited on this subject might be allayed. Sir GEORGE GitEY said that the sum drawn from the Cotriolidated Fund for the support of the police force was 90,000/. usually, and last year it was 98,0001. When this force was first instituted a rate of eight pence in the pound was levied. That was sub sequently reduced to fivepence, but afterwards in creased. to sixpence, in the hope of increasing the funds so as to raise a surplus. Last year circumstances had occurred which compelled an increase of the force, a proceeding which was conceived to be necessary nut only by the Government, but by the whole of the metro polis. The expenses had consequently been increased, and however severe the pressure might be felt, he was assured that his Noble Friend would see the reasonable ness of it. In some future time he anticipated that surplus would be created; but ho thought that it would he unfair that the rate-payers should reap all the advan tage. At any rate he could hold out no present hope of a reduction of the imposition. THE NAVY ESTIMATES. In reply to a question from Mr. HUME as to the time for taking the Navy Estimates, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he was desirous of deferring the consideration of the estimates in the Committee of Supply till the Ist of May, but it might come on to-night. Mr. HUME said that this was no sufficient answer to his question. He thought that it was hard, not to say injudicious, on the part of Government to oblige Hon. Members to enter into the consideration of the esti timates at eleven o'clock at night, when there had been no opportunity whatever of considering the papers upon the subject. He was aware that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had a notice on the paper, and he thought that considering the debate to which that motion might give rise, it was, to say the least, unfair to force the con sideration of the navy estimates. Lord J. RUSSELL begged to remind his Hon. Friend that this seas only a vote on account, and such as was usually allowed to pass without discussion. On Monday night he proposed to take the third reading of the Rate in Aid Bill; and it was quite impossible for him to say to what discussion it might lead, and con sidering that without this vote the public service could not be carried on, he trusted that his Hon. Friend would not feel that the Government had in any . way taken the House by surprise. THE SUN, LONDON, THE COLONIES. Mr. DISRAELI presented petitions from Canada, from Jamaica, and other colonies on a variety of subjects, chiefly praying for the restoration of the protection to their produce. THE PALACE COURT. Lord DUDLEY STUART wished to inquire whether any measure had been taken for the abolition of that great grievance to the metropolis. He trusted that some thing had been done to remedy the evil of such a crying abuse.—(Hear, hear.) The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that he was in communication with the Lord Steward of her Majesty's Household, without whose authority nothing could be done; but he had reason to believe that an alteration in the constitution of that Court, or its abolition, would speedily be effected.—(Hear, hear.) SUPPOSED APPOINTMENT OF MR. REY- NOLDS, JUN. Mr. BATESON wished to ask whether there was any truth in the roport that a young gentleman under age, the on of Mr. Reynolds, a solicitor of Ireland, had been appointed Solicitor for the Mint in that country. 'I he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—No, sir. —(Great laughter.) The Chancellor of the Ex chequer was proceeding to make some further observations when he was restrained ; but as soon as the laughter which had convulsed the House had subsided he rose, and stated that the offices of Solicitor for Ireland and Solicitor for the Mint in that country hgd bees consolidated, and that he believed that young Mr. Reynolds was not com petent to take the position of a solicitor. He had cer tainly recommended him to be appointed to the situation of a clerk in the solicitor's office, and he believed that he was so appointed.—(Hear, hear.) PAPER . FROM THE FOREIGN DEPARTMENT. Mr. URQUHART wished to asked the Noble Lord the Secretary fur the Foreign Department, what was the rcaeen why the papers which he had promised in part six weeks ago had not sooner been laid on the table of the House. Lord PALMERSTON said that he Lad not presented these papers owing to a difficulty in getting them toge ther; but as soon as he could procure them from the hands of the printer, they should be laid on the table of the House. Mr. URQUIIART said that the Noble Lord had not answered his question and stated the reason of the delay. Lord PALAERSTON said that he had promised the papers in part, that is, abstracts from them; but circum stances had so transpired that he was enabled to give them in toto; and of course it was clear that more time was required to give the whole than only a part of the doeuments.—(hear, hear,): SICILIAN AFFAIRS. Mr. BANKES wished to ask whether the Noble Lord had received any information respecting the progress of affairs in Sicily ? Lord PALMERSTON bad not received any such in formation. SEIZURE OF THE BOMBAY STEAMER. Mr. DISRAELI said, it would bo in the recollection of the House, that some time since a steamer called the Bombay, which had been bought or was, at least, engaged in the seivice'of the Sioiliaa insurgents, had been seized. le wished to know' whether there was any truth in the report that the Government contemplated giving the agents of the insurrectionary committee any assist ance in the liberation of the vessel. Lord J. RUSSELL said that the law officers of the Crown, to whom an appeal had been made, had not given their opinion, but shuuld it express any decision that the detention was illegal, every assistance would be given for its liberation; but at present they had no grounds to believe it illegal. PARLIAMENTARY OATHS BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL postponed the further proceedings on this Bill to Monday se'nnight. 1 ) ,00It-LAWS (lIZELAND)—HATE IN AID BILL. After a short discussion, the House went into Commit tee On this Bill; Mr. BERNAL in s the Chair. On the question that the first clause stand part of the Bill, Sir H. W. BARRON cornpained of the great in justice of the measure towards the rate-payers of Ireland, and expressed his surprise at the temerity of the Government in bringing forward such a Mea sure. He was not opposed to a poor-rate; so far from it he had proposed a measure on the subject long before the Noble Lord at the head of the Government had thought of it. He was surprised that the Government had not brought for ward such a measure as the present, when their own Commissioners had reported that the rate-payers could bear no additonal burdens. Now he might be asked where the resources for the support of the Irish It or in default of this mQasura were to be derived from? Why that question had been an swered in the true Irish fashion by Mr. Twistleton him self, who called upon Government to tell him how a people could support themselves who had for the last two or three years been d..pendent upon the contributions of England. Government had not condescended to reply to that query, but still the question was a very pertinent one, and for the want of an opinion from her Majesty's Government, he would undertake to supply the defi ciency himself. A people in that state suggested by Mr. Twisleton cou'd only return t ,- ) a position of self- depen dence by stsges'and degrees; and unless Government were Iprepared to make further grants to Ireland, they never would succeed in carrying such a measure as this into effc.et. Some immediate temporary aid must be afforded to the people of tlrel4nd, or they would be unable to overcome the difficulles that already encompassed them. This rate in aid would not alone relieve them; on the contrary. it would have the effect of demoralising them, and, considering the unjustness of the 'principle upon which it was based, ho for one was not surprised that it had met with so much opposition in the sister kingdom. The taxes from which Ireland suffered so much were such that English proprietors had no concep►ion of them. They talked about the three per cent. of the income-tax. hat the fact was, that taking the rateable property of Ireland at thirteen millions, they would find that it was taxed at the rate of nine per cent. Were they surprised, then, that those who were subject to distress, poverty, and destitution should raise their voice against the injustice of this new infliction. They were about to try a fearful experiment, and they should not flatter themselves that if it ended in ruin, as he thought it would, they would alone crucify and destroy property in Ireland, for they themselves must be entombed in the same destruc tion. He, therefore, thought that it was the duty of the House and the Government to stem the torrent of ruin which inevitably awaited them. No less than 7,000 or 8,000 men were employed in collect ing poor•rates in Ireland, among whom there were e'ghteen captains, 120 subalterns, and a number of field-officers, besides largo numbers of the police. When they saw landed proprietors in poverty, farmers seeking the shelter of the workhouse, masses of the people dying of hunger, it was full time for the representatives of Ireland to appeal to the justice of England not to place a new tax upon an already impoverished country. Take an estate rated at 1,000/., the collection would cost 501. a 3 ear; 2501, for charges and family inheritances; 3s. in the pound, or 150/., for other charges; and further 3s. in the pound the estimated loss from bad tenants— altogether 6001. a year, leaving but 400/. Then, this new rate would deduct 251. more from this miserably a►nsll stipend. This he believed was a fair average case. After the miseries of Ireland, the failure of her potato crop, was this a fitting time to inflict a new tax upon an impoverished people? Therefore he should oppose in every shape the imposition of a tax fraught with so much mischief. The House then went into Committee on the Bill. On clause 1 Ewing real, Capt. JONES moved the omission of the words, " to fix and declare from time to time certain sums." The persons who paid that rate in aid, he submitted, did not determine the amount or manner in which it was expended, and had been no parties whatever to the proposal for that rate in aid. Mr. G. A. ILIMELTON said, that as the clause now stood it would have the efnct of imposing a rate of 6:1. in the pound upon the very persons for whose behalf the rate was to be levied. lie should support the amend ment of his Gallant Friend near him. Lord J. RUSSELL said he could not deny the troth of some of the observations made by Honourable Gentlemen opposite with regard to the destitution which prevailed in some of the Irish unions; but he must at the same time deprecate the use of language which would imply that England bad not done its best to re lieve the sufferings of the Irish population. When ho heard it said that England did nothing for Ireland, he weuld only point to the advance of upwards of nine millions sterling'. The case, however, was this; that there did prevail, unfortunately, in the prelent year. as there had before, a deep end extensive distress, arising from the failure of the food. The House of Commons was not inclined, he was sure, to meet the diraculty by new advances; and, therefore, he would how. unless this Bill was to be carried, they could provide for what would occur between the Ist of May and the Ist ef August. The House having resolved in favour of this rate in aid, resolved upon it at its second reading, he asked the Committee to allow the Bill. lie did not say scything about the dera.dfel state of things which prevailed in some of the unions, except that where it would be diffi cult, if not impossible to collect it, it would nut be col lected. If it were suggested that the Government should give a list, and should mention the names of the netons in which the rate would be collected, he would only answer, that supposing they were to do so it would be obvious that in the course of a week or a fortnight, other unions not then included would have to be included.— (Hear, hear.) Therefore, without going further into the arguments, he would ask the Committee to adopt the words, carrying the rate in aid. He did not mean to say but that many circumstances might contribute to render the Bill disadvantageous in certain localities, but in the present emergency it was the only resource left them.—(Hear, hear.) _ _ Mr..ec. STAFFORD said that the Noble Lord had opened a very important question, by stating that in many unions the sixpenny rate would be dispensed with. .It was to be observed, with reference to that under standing, that the clause contained no discretionary or dispensatory power by which the Commissioners coul' exempt a distressed division from the collection of tido rate. Sir GEORGE GREY said ha thought that thwFlon. Member for Northamptonshire had misapprehended the answer of. his Noble Friend. An Hon. Mem6r asked if tho rate could be collected in all the unions, and his Noble Friend said frankly that it could not. The dispensing power was by no means a neivi difficulty; on the contrary it was one which necessarily attached to many measures. Lord CASTLEREAGH showed from a return of the Financial Commission with respect to 13 unions in the south and west of Ireland, includinc , . Bantry, Kenmore, and Galway, that the income of those unions in 1848, after deducting their expenditure and liabilities for 1849, would have a deficit of 378,2161. Taking the rate in aid for those unions at its full amount of 6d. in the pound, the rateable property would produce 329,6851., which would be inadequate to make up the deficit by 48,531/. What would take place in those unions was, he believed, only a type of what would take place ge nerally. Sir DENHAM NORREYS• said that of the 2,000 electoral divisions in Ireland, 539 did not pay five shil lings in the pound upon their assessed rating. He thought it utterly hopeless to raise the sixpenny rate generally, or to a sufficient extent, in addition to the current expenses. He very much regretted that the Chlirman's decision should have prevented him from-re commending the House to exempt certain unions•fro m the rate, which he would hare named, because he could not :Tree with the Noble Lord that that work would prove interminable if once commenced. . Sir GEORGE GREY said he understood.the amend ment to be substantially an objection, to the entire clause. Captain JONES said his objection was to tho entire clause, but he wished to confine the discusiicn to one point. Sir R. FERGUSON recommended that they should not divide upon words, l)qt take a division upon a sub stantial said he wished to call the att en ti on o f objection.. it mr: sjo the Government to the fact that, as the Bill now stood, there were electoral divisions in Ireland which could evade the payment of the rate in aid. What they should do would be, to sell those estates which were liable to the poor rate, but which could not be levied. Sir ARTHUR BROOKE objected to the rate in aid, which he thought never could be collected but by very severe coercive means. He should prefer an income tax upon fair principles, which ho should support. Sir W. VERNER opposed the rate in aid altogether, which he thouaht could never be collected in Ulster. Mr. STAFFORD said, as an English Member, when this Bill was proposed as a security for 100,000!., it was his duty to see that it was as good security as possible. He objected to the provision which gave a discretionary power to the Poor law Commissioners to exempt unions vioich wt re in difficulties from the payment of the rate. Ile thought this ought to be levied as a separate rate. the pi Th o ec ni o o m n e e s t s i e i e d this d v a i t d e t d h: swrhaetne therein r a e. i d a p w p e d a n - Mr. S. CRAWFORD said he felt bound to concur in m ex it p te r danger the working of the a hole poor-law. For the amendment Against it Majority for the clause • 53 Mr. FAGAN moved the following provi so: "--" Pro vided always, that the occupier of all rateable heredita ments in any union who shall not have any greater estate or interest therein than a tenancy from year to year, or who shall hold under a lease or leases, termi nable on th . the demise of one life, concurrent with . trtys atm years, or under a lease of years not exceeding thirty. ono years, or under a lease fur one life without years I concurrent therewith, shall be entitled to deduct from the rent payable by him to his immediate lessor, the full amount of all rates :and arrears of rate paid by him under nod by virtue of this Act. Provided further, that every person not an occupier as aforesaid, who shall pay rent in respect of any land or tenements, shall not be entitled to deduct from the rent paid by him, any greater sum than a sum bearing such proportion to the amount of rate deducted from the rent received by him, as the rent paid by him bears to the rent received by him." Lord J. RUSSELL said ho wished to know from the Chairman whether it was competent to discuss this pro posal, which appeared to be opposed to the principles of the Bill and the existing poor-law. The CHAIRMAN said he felt considerable difficulties in answering the question, and would therefore decline to express any positive opinion. Sir G. GREY said that as the Bill was now drawn, it would be impossible to insert this proviso. Lord J. RUSSELL said he bad consulted the Speaker, who thought that this clause would involve an alteration of the poor-law, it would not he competent for the Corn mitte© to entertain it. The difficulty was whether it did or did not. Colonel DUNNE said that the point of form should he decided. Who was to decide the question—the Chairman or the Committee ? Sir W. SOMERVILLE thought that this proviso in volved an alteration in the existing law. Lord J. RUSSELL said that no Committee of that House was authorised to impose a tax or alter an exist ing tax without a previous resolution of the whole House. The CHAIRMAN said he did not feel at all clear upon the point, and could not express any definite opinion. Lord J. RUSSELL said that as the Chairman did not seem to think the objection conclusive, he had no objec • tion to discuss the clause on the merits. Mr. P. S',.3ROPE said, he was of opinion that the tax should be borne by the landlords, and not by the tenants of Ireland, and he hoped it would go forth who were the landlords who would generously come forward and bear the tax themselves. Major BLACKALL thought it would be unfair to throw this rate upon the landlords. He should oppose the amendment. Sir W. SOMERVILLE opposed the amendment, and trustee, under the circumstances, it would not be pressed on he House. Mr. HAMILTON also opposed the amendment. Mr. REYNOLDS said it appeared to him that the fair construction of the amendment was to throw the rate is aid upon the landlords, and for that reason he should nlpport it.—(H• stir, hear, and laughter.) During the discussion on the present question lion. Gentlemen on the opposite side opposed the measure, on the ground that it would press so severely on the poor tenants. L?t it go forth, he would say, to the people cf Ireland, who had been implored in every possible way to petition against the rate in aid—let it go forth to them that the Hon. Member for Cork (Mr. Fagan) proposed more to relieve them by his amendment, and he (Mr. Reynolds) wished, therefore, to test the sincerity of lion. Gentle men by seeing whether they would support that amend ment.—(Hear, hear.) Colonel DUNNE thought it was very convenient for Hon. Members who had visited their constituents during the recess, and who had been lectured by them, to en deavour now to recover their lost popularity. He was opposed to the opinions of the Hon. Member for Dublin (Mr. Reynolds), and should vote against the amendment. Mr. FOX thought when the ion. Member for Dublin (Mr. Reynolds) was so staunch a supporter of the present measure, ho ought to have been in his place to have aided it by his vote. Mr. REYNOLDS—I voted for it twice. Mr. FOX would remind the Hon. Member that he was not present at the last division. As to the amend ment now before the House, he (tlr. Fox) should cp pose it, as he saw no reason why the middlemen of Irellncl should be exempted, who had to a great ex tent been the authors of the present misery of the coun try.—(hear, hear.) Sir H. W. BARRON hoped the House would support the measure in the shape it had been brought forward by the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary for Ireland (Sir W. Somerville). Sir G. GREY, in answer to a remark of the Hon. Ba ronet (Sir H. W. Barron), said he had always deprecated' anv alteration in the incidents in the rate in aid and the ordinary poor-rate. Mr. SCULLY opposed the amendment. Sir A. BROOKE would /cave it to the Hon. Membzr, for Cork (Mr. Fagan) out her Zlajeaty's Government to settle the question.—(Laughter.) Mr. SHARMAN URAWFORD said ho would no't' attempt to render a tax of such a nature palatable b doing a greater injury. Mr. KEOGH thought the Hon. Member for Cork (Mr. - Pagan) should tell them what the clause he had proposed meant. The Committee then divided, when there appeared— For Mr. Fagan's proviso l3 For the claaa® Majority _BB - - Colonel DUNNE thought that it was unfair that unions should be bound to support the poor belonging to other unions, while the pour belonging to themselves were in want of their necessary support: He then moved tho following arnenlment:—. That the word in.' be struck out in page 2, line 11, in order to insert the fol lowing words ' viz., by a separate rate to be mage im mediately subsequent to." Sir G. GREY said that no collision would be caused, as had been implied by the Hun. and Gallant Gentle man (Colonel Dunne). Ho thought the present plan the most effectual. Mr. REYNOLDS said that when the TIOTIt Member for Northamptonshire (Mr. Stafford) asked what was the security fir the 100,0001., he should say that at the time that the peopll are dying of starvation, was such a ques tion to be put by one who pretended to bfi'an advocate for the distressed con , lition of Ireland ? Ne knew from experience the squalidness that prevailed" in the county of Waterford. Sir H. W. BARRON said that ruchjwas not the case, as he had always employed all on hie estate, nod not only those, but persons from other counties who came into his property, and that he spent $,5001. in drainage. Mr. STAFFORD said, tat the in aid would be levied either with or without opposilion. If without op position, there could be no reason for not levying it by itself. If it should be opposed,uten the attempt to col lect it in conjunction with the..nrdinary poor-law would endanger the whole system. ) 1; was upon that state of the case, he begged to inform, the Hon. Member for Dub lin, that ho intended to v l ite for the amendment. In reply to the H on . MembeA'i inquiry as to the security which he proposed to ofar for the vote of 100,0004, he begged to state that it ls the income-tax against which the Hon. M em b er voted fur' on a former evening, and, by doing so, abeolveet+ienielf, and his relative (who, it appeared, had beemappointed to a lucrative office under the Governeuent), a irom contributing to the relief of the distresses of hie,- countrymen. Mr. REYNIIIILDS deprecated the allusion which had been made to appointment received by his son. His son was intibted for the appointment solely to the friendshipirOf the Master of the Mint, whom he (Mr. ReYnolds) had known for 25 years. The office was, he wnhl not say a contemptible one, but one which we ld; certainly of no great value —it was that of a second assistant to the solicitor for the Mint. iucs son was a gentleman by birth, education, and con • t, and was entitled to be a solicitor if ho pleased. The Hon. Member (Mr. Bateson), who had asked a question about his son's appointment at an earlier period of the evening, was probably angry because ho (Mr. Reynolds) called him a captain on a former occa sion in consequence of his exhibiting the signs of the av,litary profession. [ln order to make this and the suc ceeding observation intelligible to the reader, it is ne cessary to state that Mr. Bateson wears moustaches.] In conclusion, ho would tell the Hon. and Gallant Mem ber—for gallant ho could not help calling him when he looked at him—that if he meant', to give up the military trade he ought to take down the signboard. Mr. BATESON would not notice the personal obser vations of the Hon. Member, but would content himself with asserting his right to put a question to a Minister of the Crown respecting the appointment of the Hon. Member's son to an office in the Mint.—(lleter, hear.) If the young gentleman merited the panegyric which his father had bestowed upon him, it was a pity that ho should have sacrificed so hopeful a youth by plac ing him in a position which ho described as so con temptible.—(Hear, hear.) After a few words from Mr. GROGAN and Major BLACKALL, the Committee divided, when there ap peared-- For the amendment „, 35 Against it ... ... 113 Majority _7B Upon the question that the clause stand part of the Bill, Mr. KEOGH dissented from the principle of the Bill under consideration. The second clause was then put and agreed to. On the third clause being proposed, Mr. SHARMAN CRAMFORD dissented from it, observing that as the Bill involved a principle of taxa tion without representation he thought a naticnal board ought to be appointed to exercise a control over the disbursement of the money to ha levied under the Act. lie thertfore proposed that a national board be ap pointed, to:i exerciao* such control as that to which he alluded ovcr the funds to be raised. The CHANCELL EXCHEQUEROR of the EXCHEQUER the Hon. Member, with respect to the disbursement of the money, that if any party more than another was likely to be overhauled on the subject the Lords of the Treasury were. The Committee then divided on the amendment, and the numbers were— _ For the amendment .. 19 Against it Mqjority Mr. GRATT.A.N, on our return to the gallery, was addressing the Committee on the subject of emigration, which he dis9pproved of, and said that he hoped the efri.ct of legislation for Ireland might be to keep the Irish people at home. The Hon. Member wished to move a resolution to that effect, but— Sic G. GREY, interrupting him, said it was too late, as they had passed the part of the Bill et which it would have been competent for him to do so. The clause tvq.3 then agreed to without a division, as was also the fourth, which is the last. ..- - Mr. A. S...e&DAIR , moved a clause to the effect that whenever a rate in aid should have been levied on any union, and a sum drawn from the union on credit to supply it, the occupier primarily liable might deduct the ars amt from his immediate landlord. Sir G. GREY opposed the clause for the same reason 09 be had opposed the clause proposed by the lion. Member for Cork, to which it was exactly similar. After a few words from Lord CASTLEREAGH, Colonel DUNNE recommended the Hon. Member not to press his motion. Mr. ADAIR then withdrew his clause. Colonel DUNNE said ho had three clauses to move, but after hearing the debate ho did not think it neces sary to press his motion in the Committee. Mr. ADAIR said he had three clauses to move rela. the to the advances; but as be thought sufficient provi sion was made in the Bill he should not press them on the Committee. On the question of the preamble, Sir J. YOUNG said he wished to call the attention of the Committee to a misinterpretation of the evidence of Mr. Twisleton, which he thought the lion. Member for Dundalk had certainly made, the evidence in ques tion having reference to the distressed state of Ireland. Mr. Twisleton admitted his having expressed an opinion that the distressed unions could go on without assist trace; but that was always on the supposition that no other measure could be adopted. Mr. Twisloton, above all things, wished to remove the idea, if it exived, that he at all considered the poor-law in Ireland to have failed. Mr. M'CULLAGLI said that if he had misinterpreted Mr. Tvvisvlton's evidence ho was truly sorry for having done so. Captain JONES said he had understood that all the money raised by the rate in aid was to be disposed of by the Commiebionors. But, then, after the amendment of the Hon. Member for Cork, he had much doubt upon it, and should be glad to know from the Government whether it was so or not. Sir G. GREY said that the money raised by this Bill would be subject to the same rules as that ut the disposal of the Poor-law Commissioners. The House then resumed, the Chairman reported the Bill to the House, and the report was ordered to be received to-morrow (this day). .Lcrl JOHN RUSSELL said that, in consegimre et the lateness of the hour, ho would not propose that the Navy Estimates should be proceeded with that evening, but only the Committee of Supply. He should propose, OF°, that the third reading o f t h e R a t e in Aid Bill be taken on Monday. __ _ SATURDAY EVENING-, APRIL 28, 1849, SUPPLY. The House then went into Committee of Supply. The CEIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved for a vote of 52,1151., to refund to the next of kin of person named Turner, whose e.ttate was estreated to the Crown, and was raid into the Treasury in 1845, under the supposition of his having no heirs. Subsequervly, in 1846, a bill was filed in Chancery to recover it, the next of kin having appeared, and admitted by a jury to be entitled. Sri 11. Ii'ILLOUGHBY a lied when the money was paid into the Cimsolidatcd Fund. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that more than 54,000/. was paid over in 1846, of which the stronnt of this vote was the principal item. - The par ticulars would Le found in the papt-rs of 1844. Mr. GOULBURN said he hoped some provision would be made for some of the parties concerned in the case, who very much deserved it from their excellent conduct. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was not a matter within the power of the Ex chequer; all it had to do was to obey the order of the Court of Chancery, and refund the money. After a ivw words from Mr. B R O TUERTON an d M r . ROUNDELL PALMER, the vote was agreed to, and the House resumed. The Exchequer Bill (17,786,7000 was read a second time. ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION BILL. On the order of the day for the second reading of this Bill being read, Mr. HORSMAN said there was an understanding that it should not be taken at so late an hour, but that an op. portunity for a discussion upon it should be offered. Several Hon. Gentlemen who felt an interest in it had left the House on that undt.rstand:ng. He should not, however, oppose the second reading if the Noble Lord would give a distinct pledge that at a future period such an opportunity should be given, and full notice of the same. A conversation ensued, in which Sir 11. Willoughby, Mr. Hume, Mr. Gonlburn, and Lord J. Russell took part, and the Noblo Lord having given the promise re quired by Mr. Henn:an, the Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committzd ou Mon-lay fortnight. The other orders of the day were postponed, and the House proceeded to the n4ces of motion. __ COMMITTEE ON SAVINGS' BANKS. Mr. REYNOLDS moved that the following- be the Select Committee ou Savings' Banks :—Mr. Reynolds, the Chancellor of the Excllequer, Mr. Henry Herbert, Mr. Goulburn, Mr. Napier, Mr. John Ah 4 S:aith, Mr. Grogan, Mr. Gibson Craig, Mr. George Alexander Hamilton, Mr. Spooner, Mr. Mackenzie, Mr. Henley, Sir H. Willoughby, Mr. Keogh, and Mr. Bourke. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was sorry to be obliged to make the motion of which he had given notice as an amendment, namely, the re-ap pointment of ;he Committee of last session. He had endeavoured to come to an arrangement with the lion. Member fur Dublin, which would have prevented the necessity for his amendment. He found, however, that no alteration in the constitution of the Committee would be arced to, and therefore he had no alternative but to move this amend ment. He objected to the Committee nominated by the Hon. Member, on account of the number of Irish Members it contained, and also because seven of the fif teen Members had voted for the inquiry, and only four against it. The Committee of last session had per formed its duties vary fairly, and there had never been a differonce between them except on ono occasion, when the Hon. Member for Kerry stood alone. It bad been said that this was an Irish question, and therefore there should ho a largo number of Irish Members upon it. But he denied that it was exclu:Avely an Irish question. —(Hear, hear.) At least, though the banks were mainly Irish, the claim was made upon the Consolidated Fund, and that he conceived made it an vial question. There had been complaints made respecting English and scottish savings' banks, but this was the first time that a claim had been made upon the Consolidated Fund to make good any losses, and it was therefore clearly as much an Eng,li,-h and Scottish, as an Irish question, On these grounds he moved the re-sppointment of the Coma-Jim- e. Mr. H. HERBERT, having had something to do with this matter; hoped he should be excused for making a few observations. Night after night last session the Hon. Member for Dublin was implored by the Chancellor of the Exchcquer to postpone this question, aliliceogh it was one of great, importance, not so much from the amount at stake as the necessity of giving satisfaction to the parties interested. He succeeded in postponieg the consideration of the subject until a late period ef the session, and at last, in perfect despair, he (Mr. Herbert) placed a notice on the paper for a Supply night, en I ex- pressed his determination to proaoed with it. Too Chan cellor of the Exchequer, finding him detern - dned, agreed to a Committee, but asked him if, having little expe rience in the House, he would allow him (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) to nominate the Committee.--(c1, l-osgh.) In his innocence he consented, and then— (Leughter)—the Chancellor of .tho Exchequer put only three Members on a Committee, the original object of wh;ch was to inquire into Irish banks. He asked if that was fair, or would have been called fair in the case of a Scotch or English Committee?— (Hear.) Well, now, wlien the question was totally altered, the Chancellor of the Exchequer took advantage of the faireess with which he had been treated, and asked them to reappoint the Committee, which, according to his own statement, was for a general and different object. They had savings banks failing, and no one re sponsible, and yet they had no legislation on the subject. He was told, in answer to .a question put to the Right Hon. Gentleman some time since; that a measure was prepared that prevented him from moving in the matter, and now, instead of a measure, they bad the proposal to re-appoint the Committee of last session. They had not even the result of the mountain in labour—the mouse he'd not made its appearance.—(llear, hear.) When the motion on this subject was made, the Right lion. Baronet met it by a direct negative, not by a proposal to re appoint the Committee. The Government were de. feated, whereas, had it succeeded, it would have pre. vented all inquiry whatever. He thought, that in a matter which referred exclusively to Ireland, it was not fair to put only three Irish Members upon it, and he appealed to the House to adopt the motion of his Hon. Friend the Member for Dublin. Mr. R. M. FOX, while he had no desire to shrink from his duty, begged to thank his Hon. Friend for sub stituting an Irish lawyer, the Member for Athlone, for himself. Mr. GOULBURN thought the Hon. Member "for Berry had gone into a discussion not very germane to the question, which was certainly a most disagreeable one—the composition of a Committee. With reference to the point, whether it was a general question or nut, he believed the Hon. Member himself had admitted that it was a general one, and as he bad not made any com plaint against the Committee of last session, he saw no reason why it should not be re-appointed, Mr. KEOGH said, without impugning the conduct of the late Committee, he thought that now a new Com mittee should be appointed. Mr. HUME said that disclosures of greatchardship took place before the Committee of last session, and he thought at that time that further inquiry should take place before anything could be done. Sir a wiLLouilasy said this was a most im portant question. The depositors were greatly dis pleased with the alterations made in these laws in 1844. The Government was aware when these changes were made, that this bank in Dublin was insolvent. The no mination by the Hon Member for Dublin was a fair one. Mr. J. A. SMITH denied that this was sn Irish ques tion. The question was, whether the Government was responsible for deposits made in these banks before they were invested in the public stocks; and in that view he regarded it as an imperial question. Lord C. HAMILTON said the reference of inquiry to the Committee of last session was with regard to savings banks in Ireland alone, and therefore it could not be considered an imperial question. In fact, the object was to inquire into the causes of the mismanage ment of these banks in Ireland. They should, there fore, be careful to avoid giving any gretunls for believing that fair inquiry was checked or prevented. Mr. REYNOLDS would give the Right Hon. Gentle man on this, as he was disposed to give him on all omit sinus, as much credit as he could, for he was decidedly of opinion that the more credit a Chancellor of the Ex chequer obtained the better.— (Hear, hear.) He would give the Right Hon. Gentlemen credit for having steered very wide iinlesel of the true question at issue.—(" Hear, hear," and laughter.) What was that question? It was simply this—whether he (Mr. Reynolds) was to be per mitted to erjoy the same amount of privilege, and the same measure of courtesy, that was invariably ac corded to Hon. Memb e r s Is ho were in the s am e p os iti o n with himself—that of having suc cee d e d i n carry i ng a mo tion for the appointment of a Committee. The Right Hon. Gentleman insisted that he should not have that privi lege—that lie should not enjoy that courtesy. And why ? Because a Committee was appointed last year to inquire into the laws affecting savings banks in Ireland, sat seven times, and in the end made a very lame and impo tent report—which report, lame and impotent as it was, the Right Hon. Gentleman peremptorily refused to act upon.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lead the Member for Tyrone had read the report, which stated that the Com mittee had made a careful investigation—that they were not able to complete it, but that they recommended that it should be resumed next session. When he (Mr. Rey nolds) brought forward a motion, having for its object the carrying out of that recommendation of the Com mittee, the Chancellor of the Exchequer put all the limited machinery at his command on that to him (Mr. Reynolds) most fortunate evening—(Laughter)—into play 'against him to prevent his success. And having adopted that severe course, the Right Honourable Gen. tlexnan came forward and had the modesty to ask the House to consent to the re-appointment of his own old Committee, which he contended was the best and most immaculate under the sun. Now, without intend ing the slightest discourtesy to that Committee—without meaning to impeach them either in respect of their in tegrity or their ability, he would take leave to ask what it was that they were appointed to do? Simply to inquire into the laws affecting the savings-banks in Ireland. Very different was the mission which the Committee now proposed to be constituted would have to fulfil. It was a Committee " to inquire into and report on the circumstances connected with the failure of the Sr. Peter's parish eavings bank, in Cuffee-street, in the city of Dublin, and on any security or securities which may be in existence for making good the loss thereby occa sioned."—(Hear, hear.) By an amendment subsequently introduced by the Hon. Gentleman the Member for Kerry (Mr. Herbert) it was resolved that the inquiries of the Committee should also cemp:ise thesavings- banks of Killarney and Tralee, and a Scotch bank with an un pronounceable name, which he, with deepest regret, con fessed his total inability to bring his tongue round. Mr. CO W AN—Auch tererder. Mr. REYNOLDS (imitating the accent of the Hon. Member)—Yes, Auchterarder. He was infinitely obliged to the Hon. Member for Edinburgh for having assisted him to accomplish the difficult feat of pronounc ing the word.—(Laughter.) But now they were told that this was an imperial question. He begged leave most respectfully, but most emphatically, to deny the assertion.—(Hear, hear.) He most respectfully and emphatically maintained that it was an Irish question. It was, in point of fact, a trial before a tribunal of jus tice—a trial wherein three savings banes were the plain tiffs, and the defendants were two personages of no has importance than the present Chancellor of the Exche quer and another Right Hon. Gentleman (the Member for Cambridge University), who bad long filled thesame office with " credit to himself," and he supposed he must add with a d vantage to hi s countr y.--(Laughter.) The Government might affect to treat this question as one of very trivial importance, but could they afford to do so? Were they aw a r e o f it s tremendous significance—its life or death importance to thousands of the popular classes in Ireland? It was literally a question of life or death to no less than 1,700 poor people of the city he had the honour to represent, who were artizans for tho most part, cr aged and infirm servants. Relying on the stability of this nation—confiding in the honour of England, and trusting to the solvency of the public Ex chequer, they denied thentselve the comforts—nay, in many instances, the common necessaries of life, in order that they might make a provision for their declining years (as they fondly imagined) by lodging 50,0001. in the savings bank of St. Peter's parish.—(Lear, hear.) And now the Right Hocourable Gentleman the Member fur the University of Cambridge had the hardihood to stand up in his place and assert that those poor creatures —those plundered, robbed, swindled artisans—(Cries of " Oh," and cheers)—yes;the robbed, plundered, swindled artisans of Dublin (he would not retract the words) had no claim to reimbursement. The Right lion. Gentle man was Chanc-Ilor of the Exchequer from 1841 to 1844. During that period , the person who acted as the agent of the Government i n t hi s ma tt er o f th e sav i ngs ' banks, was a gentleman who still appeared to be " a pet" in that House—a gentleman with the euphonious ap pellation of Tidd Pratt—Mr. Tidd Pratt. Mr. Tidd Pratt and Mr. Higham might be regarded as Commis sioners for the Reduction of the National Debt, so far at least as the savings' hanks were concerned.— (Laughter.) The proper name to be given to these Com miesioners was, " The Commissioners for the reduction of the savings of the unfortunate people of Ireland." Mr. Pratt had manufactured an Act of Parliament in 1814, which enacted that no manager should be liable for any loss that might happen-to - deposits made in these banks ; Mr. Tidd Pratt completely released the directors from every species of responsibility, and the result was, that, on the trial of an action at the last Trak° assizes for the recovery of money lost in the ravine bank of that district, in which the plaintiff was a pauper and the defendant was a solvent manager, the judge declared that, under the Act of Mr..Tidd Pratt, the plaintiff had no legal claim against the bank directors, and a verdict was therefore entered for the defendant.—(llear.) Now he (Mr. Reynolds) wanted to have Mr. Tidd Pratt, the author of this Act of Parliament, put upon his trial, but not be`ore the Chancellor of the Exchequer's Committee of last session, which consisted of twelve Englishmen and three Irishmen. What did the Chancellor of the Ex chequer mean by opposing the appointment of the Com mittee which he (Mr. Reynolds) proposed, consisting, as it did, of eight Englishmen and seven Irishmen? He never was more surprised at anything in his life than the Chancellor of the Exchequer's wholesale motion to sub stitute the Committee of last year for that now proposed. He hoped the Right Hon, Gentleman was not serious, and that he would not think of going to a division.— (Leughter.) If the Right Hon. Gentleman's proposi tion was carried by the House of Commons the people of Ireland would consider that a fair tribunal had not been appointed by the Legislature. He demanded on behalf of the depositors a just inquiry into their grievances. The CHANCELLOR of tho EXCHEQUER denied that he r. seated the appointment of an impartial tri• bunal. He would let the four first names on the Hoc. Gentleman's Committee stand, but it pressed to a divi sion he would vote against the fifth name. He was quite prepared then to consi(Li the other name g, and to have appointed as fair a Committee as possible. The names of Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Goulburn, Mr. Her bert, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer were then agreed to. On the SPEAKER putting the qu:stion that Mr. Napier be one of the Committee, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he objected, not from any personal feeling with regard to that Hon. and Learned Gentleinan,_but because ho was not on the Committee appointed last session. Ile would divide the Reuse against the motion. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and a divi sion took pl►ce, when there arpeared— For retaining Mr.. Napier's name 74 Against it Majority against —37 Mr. Napier 's name was th► n struck out, and the fur. ther consideration of the appointment of the Committee was deferred, in order to enable the Chancellor of th► Exchequer to consider the course ho would adopt with regard to the other names proposed by Mr. Reynolds, Mr. flirt:err, and himself. Mr. MACKINNON moved that Mr. William Miles be discharged from further attendance on the Select Committee on Smithfield market, and that Mr. Ormsby Gore be r.dded. Mr. PEARSON objected. He desired a full and fair inquiry, but be preferred to bare metropolitan Members, as she question was one purely metropolitan. He moved, as an amendment, that the name of Sir Pe Lacy Evans be substituted for that of Mr. Miles. Mr. GORE suggestvd that some plan should be adopted by the House for spleeting the members of Com mittees, instead of leaving the matter in the hands of individual Mvmbers. A.l - ecr a brief discussion, Mr. Pearson withdrew hl4 amendment, and the name of Mr. Gore was added. • The Poor-law (Ireland) Amendment Bill was brought in by . Sir W. Somerville, and read a first time. The second reading was moved for Tuesday next. The House adjourned at Hilf-past One o'clock. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. (From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.) FRIDAY, APRIL 27. POOR-LAWS (IRELAND-RATE IN AID) BILL. (IN THE COMMITTEE.) First Clause (Foor•law Commissioners in Ireland may authorise the levying a Rate in Aid), page 1, line 8, Amend ment proposed to leave out the words " to fix and declare from time to time the amount of such sum") :—Question put,'" That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Clause." , The Committee divided : MAJORITY--AYES, 81. Adair, it. Shafto _ Hulot*, W. G. ' ' l ' --, ri Pilkington, James Anson, Colonel Heald, James Power, Nicholas Bathos, M. T. Henry, Alexander Pryse, Pryse Baring, Sir F. Heywood, James Reynolds, John Bass, M. T. Hey worth, Lawrence Rich, Henry Bellew, B. M. Hollond, Robert Rumbold, C. E. Berkeley, Captain Howard, Lord E. Russell, Lord J. Boyle, Colenel Howard, C. W. Rutherford, A. Brackley, Viscount Jervis; Sir John Scrope, G. P. Brotherton, J. Kershaw, James Shinto, R. D. Busfelid,William Lacy, Henry C. Smith, J. A. Campbell, W. F. Lascelles, W. S. Smith, M. Tucker Carter, John B. Lewis, George;C: Somerville, Sir W. Coke, E: K. M'Gregor, John Stanton, W. H. Cowper, IV F. Maitland, Thomas Strickland, Sir G. Craig, W. G. Maulo, Fox Sturt, 11. G. Crowder, R. B. Milner, W. M. Talfourd, Sergeant Drummond, Henry Molcsworth, Sir W. Thicknesse, R. A. Ebrington, ,Viscount Morisco, Sir W. Thompson, George Ellis, John Mostyn, E. M. Vane, Lord H. Evans, John O'Connor; Feargus Wawn, J. T. Fagan, William Owen, Sir John Williams, John Foley, J. IL Paget, Lord A. Willyams, H. Fordyce, A. D. Palmerston, Via. Wood, Sir Charles Gibson, T. M. Parker, John Wyld, James ; Grenfell, Charles W. Pearson, Charles TELLEAS. Grey, Sir G. Peel,,Sir Robert Tuiliell, IL Harris, Captain Perfect, Robert Hill, Lord M. MINORITY-NOES, 28. Alexander, N. Ferguson, Sir R. Stafford, Augustus Barron, Sir IL Grattan, llenry Sullivan, Michael Bentinek, Lord 11. Grogan, Edward Tennent, It. J. Brooke, Sir A. B. Keating, Robert Urquhart, David Urnen, Colonel Keogh, William Verner, Sir W. Castlereagh, Vise. Lawless, Cecil Young, Sir John Clements, Charles 31'Naghten, Sir E. Corry, llenry O'Brien, Sir Lucius TELLERS. Crawford, W. S. Rawdon, Colonel Hamilton, G. A. Dawson, T. V. Richards. Richard Jones, Captain Dunne, F. P. Sadleir, John , Amendment proposed, at the end of the Clare to add the following Proviso: —" Provided always. That the occupier of all rateable hereditaments in any Union who shall not have any greater estate or interest therein than a tenancy from year to year, or who shall hold under a lease or leases terminable on the demise of one life concurrent with thirty one years, or under a lease of years not exceeding thirty-one years, or under a lease for one life without years concurrent therewith, shall be entitled to deduct from the rent payable by him to his immediate lessor, the full amount of all rates and arrears of rate paid by .him under and by virtue of this Act : Provided further, that every person not an occupier as aforesaid, who shall pay rent in respect of any lands or tene ments, shall not be entitled to deduct from the rent paid by him any greater sum than a sum bearing such proportion to the amount of rate deducted from the rent received by him as the rent paid by him bears to the rent received by him —Question put, " That the Proviso be there added." The Committee divided:— MINORITY—AYES, 13. Adair. R. nano M'Cullagh, W. T. `Fawn, J. T. Fax, W. J. - Moore, G. 11. 0 reene, John O'Connell, John TELLERS. Henry, Alexander Scrope, G. P. Fagan, William Keating, Robert Tennent, It. J. Reynolds, John Kershaw, Jaime Thompson, Colonel MAJORITY-NOES, 101. Second Clause (Upon receipt of Order from the Poor-law Commissioners for the levy of such Rate ' the amount leviable on each Electoral Division to be le v i e d and paid into the Bank of Ireland) :—Amendment proposed, page 2, line 11, to leave out the word " in," in order to add the words " by a separate Rate to be made im me di a t e ly su b sequent to: , Question put, " That the word 'in' stand part of the Clause." The Committee divided : MAJORITY-AYES, 113. MINORITY-NOES, 35. Adair, It. A. Greene, John O'Flaherty, Anthony Alexander, K. Grogan, Edward Scully, Francis Barron, Sir 11. Hamilton, G. A. Sidney, Alderman Bateson, Thomas Jolliffe, Sir W. G. Stafford, Augustus Bernard, Viscount Jones, Captain Stuart, J. Blake, Martin J. Keating, Robert Sullivan, Michael Bourke, Richard S. Keogh, William Tennent, .J. Brooke, Sir Arthur Lawless, Cecil 'Verner, Sir W. Castler° J gh, Via. Lowther, Colonel Clements, Charles 111`Naghten, Sir E. Trunits. Crawford, W. S. 3laxwell, J. P. Dunne, Francis P. Dodd, George Nugent, Sir Percy Fox, It. M. Ferguson, Sir R. O'Brien, Timothy Third Clause (Commissioners of the Treasury to direct the disposal of Moneys arising from the Ita6:e in Aid): - Page 2, line 31, Amendment proposed, to leave out the words 6' as the said Commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury shall think fit," in order to insert the words " as shall be directed by a Board appointed as hereinafter provided :"—Question put, " That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Clause." The Committee divided:— ' MAJORITY—AYES, 117. MINORITY-NOES, 19. Bateson, T. Lawless, Cecil Scully Francis Blake, M. J. Lowther, Colonel Sullivan, Michael Castlereap, iris. Maxwell, Hon. J. I'. Tennent, U. J. Dunne, F. I'. Nugent, :sir Percy Grattan, Henry O'Connell,"_John TELLERS. Greene, John O'Flaherty,Anthony Crawford, W. S. Hlldyard, T. IL T. Rawdon, Colonel Brooke, Sir A. Keating, Robert Sadleir, John SUDDEN DEATlL—Yesterday morning, shortly after twelve o'elodc, as John L9ut, a coal porter employed at 'Reeves's wharf, Strand, was proceeding up Carting lane, to go to dinner, he .was ohserved. to stagger and fall to the ground with great force. He was immediately picked up and taken' to Charing cross Hospital, whcr9., upon his arrival, the Surgeon pronounced life to be extinct. BIRTHS, On the 21st inst., at High Elms, Lady Lubbock , o f daughter. On the 23d inst. ; the wife of H. Wellington Valiance, Esq" at Cambridge -road-villas, of a daughter. On the 2 ) th i nst., at C heltenham, the lady of john 13- Irving, Esq.. of a daughter. On the 26th inst., at Wellington-riad, St. John's - W eed ' the wife of the Rev. Daniel Butler, of a daughter._______-- MARRIED. Per . On the 26th inst., at St. Dunstan's-in-the-East, the t o William Ho w l e tt, of Wellingborough, Northamptonphire of Julia Catherine, daughter of Ellis John Troughton, ESCI" lio lies-buildings, Tower-street. • MED. Wg • t' 1 . 1 On the 23d inst., a t th e R oya l C rescen t, B a th, the llon. the nbar Dowaer Lady Carrington. n On the 3(1 in g st., Julia Elizabeth, wife of the Rev. mu S. llalkett, of Little Bookham, Surrey. On the 24th inst., at Grove-house,. Manchester, a ged 72, James Wond. Esq. I ,q 3 On the 25th inst., Mr. Cha r l es W r i g ht, o f the Red.h o Battersca.fields. , At Cavendish-square, on the 25th inst., Marion Ge or g ians' daughter of E. Marjoribanks, junadi., Ezq. On the 26th inst., at Briger-hill, afie:d Forab, t llll wile of R. Browning, aged 65. - __.-,....;;;;-!. of London: Printed and Published by lIITRDO No. 112, Strand, Printer, al The Sun Office, g" ) ',,, of Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, in the coillivo bliddlesez, Saturday, April 28, 1849. THE COUNTRY MARKETS. WAKEFIELD, APRIL 27.—With average supplies we note a slow trade, and wheat is taken sparingly at a decline of Is to to 2s per quarter on the currency of Friday last. No material change in barley. Oats end shelling are steadily held at late prices. Beans and other articles as before. _ Old• e. New. WHEAT, per qr • 601bs per bushel : s. s. Suffolk. Essex, and Kent, red 45 to 47 Ditto, white ... ... 48 52 Norfolk and Hunts , red ... ... 43 —46 Ditto, white ... 50 Lincolnshire and Cambridge, red ... 43 46 Ditto, white ... ..< 46 5.0 Yorkshire, red......... 43... 46 Ditto, white .. 46 49 Dantzic and Konigsburg, white .. 4G 50 Lower Baltic and Haniburgh, red... 43 47 Aledtterranean, red ... ••• ••• 35 41 BARLEY, per quarter of 8 bushels: Norfolk and Suffolk... ... 28 31 Lincolnshire and Yorkshire .. 28 :32 Scotch ... 28 31 Grinding per 39 stone ... ... 22 —24 Foreign 23 27 BEANS, per quarter of 8 bushels 631b:— Small, fine ... 30 32 31 33 Ticks 29 31 29 31 Foreign ... ... 26 30 OATS, per stone:— Bleating . 9d to lld —d to —d Feeding ... •.. ... 8d to 91 —d to —d Foreign ... 8d to 9d —d to —d SHELLING, per load of 261(b —24— 25 MALT, per load of 6 imperial bushels 36 39 PEA', per Imperial Quarter: — Blue and white boilers Grey and Feed to -- .•••• ..... ..... - _ -7 _ _ - 28 - 30 ... 25 - 27 ARM Qrs. %neat 12,078 Barley ... 1,989 Oats ... 1,385 Beans... 1,035 Peas ... 880 Tares ... 'ALS. Qrg. Rapeseed .-.. ... Shelling ... ... Linseed Malt .. • ••• • • •• • .".. Flour ... ... ... ... --• LIVERPOOL, Arnie. 27.—The arrivals frtm Ireland and coastwise since Tuesday are quite unimportant. From the United States we have received as much as 34,032 quarters of Indian corn, 1,481 barrels of corn meal, and 6,023 barrels of flour ; but from other foreign ports only 425 quarters of barley. 270 quarters of peas, and 300 sacks of flour. Our exports in the same time comprise 1,225 quarters of wheat, 11,375 quar ters of Indian corn, 438 barrels of Indian corn meal, 3,378 barrels of flour, and small quantities of barley, beans, and sack flour. The trade has been excessively quiet, and no feature worthy of notice has presented itself. The weather has under gone a complete change, and is now as fine and seasonable as could be desired. At this day's market there was a fair attend ance of town and country dealers, and a good business was done in wheat and barrel flour, at the fail prices of Tuesday. Oats and oatmeal met with a slow sale, without change in value. Barley, beans, and peas were in fair request at our late quotations. Indian corn moved off freely at a decline of Is per quarter, and yellow Indian meal sold at 14e 6d per barrel. EXETER, Aram 27.—Cattle.—We have had a large step!y of beasts of all descriptions and conditions, with, for most arti cles, a heavy sale. Fat beef remains about the same price as of late, some of the very best having made nearly 8.6 d ; but beef of good quality, has sold for Bs. Cons and calves were very plentiful and sold at a long difference in price ranging from 61 to 14?. Good barreners were worth full 5s per score ; the graziers generally complain that barreners are much too high, considering the present price of fat beef. Steers sold at about the same rate as last week-131 to 19! per pair. Year lings were from 4! 105 to 51 each. Butchers' calves, were very plentiful, and sold at from 4d to 514 d per lb. A very large supply of sheep, with but little demand. Prime wethers, sold at 5d to 5 3 / 4 d per lb. A lot of very large fat sheep, esti.. mated to weigh 321 b the quarter, were sold at 48s each. Store hogs, 25s to 28s each. Lamb, 7d per lb. Pork Carcases..-A large supply, and the market again declined in prices, ranging from 6s 6d to 7s 64 per score. Pannier—Turke3s, Sc 6.1 to 8s each ; ducklings, 5s 6d to 6s 6d ; spring chicken, 3s to 4s 6d ; fowls, 3s 6d to 4s 6d ; galenas, Sc to 6s per coupe ; leverets, 3s to 4s each ; butter, Is per lb; eggs, 20 for Is. Corn —The business has not been large, the 'millers refusing to give he price asked by the dealers. The same result may be noted in foreign wheat, the prices obtained last week being asked in vain. Best samples of English wheat have sold at from 6s to 659 d per bushel. Foreign, white, 50s to 51s per quarter ; red 45s to 47s (60 lbs to the bushel) • barley, 4s per bu s h e l ; oats. 2s 4d to 2s 9d per bushel ; fi ne flour, 313 s to 33s per sack of 2, 0 lbs. BRISTOL, Aram 26.—0 f English and foreign wheats the supplies were good, but without any fresh arrivals here or et Gloucester. There has throughout the week been a disinclina tion to get into stock, and with a consequent very languid de mand, the prices of English and foreign are about 25 per quarter under the rates of this day se'nnight. Flour in mode rate request, at a decline of is per sack; malting and grinding barley are both the turn dearer; and oats, black and white, are at an improvement of 6d to is per quarter. In beans; peas, &c., there was but little doing in the market. Wheat—Enofish' new, 40s to 44s per imperial qua r t er; f ore i gn w hi te, 48s to 52s per 4?Olbs. ; ditto red, fine qualities, 46s to 49s ; ditto, ordi' nary qualities, 42s to 44s ; ditto hard, 37s to 40s. Barley- - English malting, 30s to 35s per imperial quarter ; English and foreign grinding, 25s to 2t , s per 4001bs. Oats--Deron end Welsh, 16s to 17s per imperial quarter; Irish, white 18s 6d to 20s 6d per 3201b5. ; Irish, black 16s to 173 Gd per imperial quarter; foreign, none. Beans—English, 30s to 363 per its" perial quarter; foreign ditto, 26s to 30s per 4301b5. Flour English seconds,. 33s to 35s per sac k ; A mer i can, & c, swe et s ' 233 to 25s per barrel. BIRMINGHAM, APRIL 26.—This week the weather has been more mild andgenial. Millers having bought freely the last fortnight, scarcely a transaction is reported in wheat or barley , hut for oats and beans we have a fair sale, at fully the previous, currency. At this day's market therp was a large supply 01 wheat from the farmers, and no progress could be made in gale s except by submitting to a reduction of Is to 2s per quarter. Barley dull, and declined 6d to is per quarter. Oats and beans maintained their value for all descriptions. For peas WI had much less inquiry. TEWKESBURY, APRIL 24.—Wheat, 2/ 8s 9,1 ; barleys 117 s 8d ; beans, Fl. 12s Bd. Rurnix, Amu'. 23. —Wheat IBs 61 to 193 6d ; barley, 10s to Ifs; oats, 5s to 6s per hobbet; potatoes very few shown ; fresh butter, 11 d per lb. RYRL,, APRIL 24.—There was an animated demand for. wheat; the upward movement in the price of the finer kinds continues, which brought a further advance of 6tl per hobbet of 168 lbs, making the price 183. There was very little life in the barley trachl, and sales ware in favour of the buyer ; the top price was 9s €d per 147 lbs. Beans and peas dull of sale ) at late rates. Oats were not in such great request as last week, and the prim* realised was 5s 6d per 105 lbs. The clover.. seed trade was very quiet; a few parcels were shown to-day without leading to sales of any consequence. CHESTER CHEICSS FAlR.—Wednesday being one o f the new fairs, the supply was short, and a considerable portion of it of inferior make. The demand from the manufacturing dis tricts was tolerably fresh. Prices ranged from 443 to 5 75 . per cwt. _ BRISTOL SUGAR. MARKET, APRIL 27.—The market hal been inactive thin week, a n d p r i ces are a s h a d e i n favou r o f the buyers. In rum there been rather more business doing , . owing to importers agai n su b m i t ti ng to l ower prices. Refine's golds continue dell of sale.—Bristol _Mercury. SALPORD CATTLE MARKET, APRIL 25.—We had only moderate show of beasts at market, and of sheep a scanty on e ' As buyers appear on the increase, and as that was the cas e to-day, the full advance noted last week was readily made for both beef and mutton ' and the market may b e sa id t o hale been cleared out of all middling, poor, and good stock. Lwrawsr FAIR, APRIL 25.—Cows, with calves, 5/ to 9'; barrens, 41 10s to 61; cart horses, 151 to 201; nags, 1-)1 to 154 small pigs, lOs to 17s; store pig s , 2U s t o 30s. 'Corn—whet!' 1-1 s to 18s; barley, 9s to 10s; oats, 5s to Gs per hobbet ; oat meal, 11s 6d to 12s per 1261135, A great part of the borne(' cattle unsold. Mom), APRIL 25.—A tolerably middling attendance, an d at the commencrnent of business rather brisk ; but a falling, off towards the close ; the millers and d ea l ers b e i ng fur a slight reduction, whi c h was at length giv en way to : —Whea t , 17s 6d to 195 6d ; barley, le s 6d to 1 ls; oats, 6s to is Potatoes, 15s per hobbet. MINING INTELLIGENCE COFPER OR.TS SOLD AT REDRUTII, APRIL 26.—Total' 2,911 tons. A rerage produce, 6A ; quantity of fine copper' 176 tons 5 cysts ; a moun t o f sa l e, 12,42315 , Od ; aver a g e standard, 1121 ,3s Od. L AST S ALE. —S tandard, 9911 7 s 00 ; produce, 9a. Average price per 21 cwt, 4113 s 6d. COPPER ORES FOR SALE AT CAMBORNE, MAY 3." North Roskear 962—North Pool; 691—Consols 512--Tini Tin croft 353 —Fowey Con so l s 297—Wh . Seton 262—Wh. Basset 216—South Wh. France s 169 — C reeg b raws 150—South It°'" kear and Wh. Chance 133—Wh. Vyvyan 36 —Wh. Union 8 -- Wh. Northy 2—Total 3,791. COPPER ORES FOR SALE AT REDEUTH, MAY 10* --.. Cam Brea 786—Tywarnhayle and Nancekuke 360—Par Coa sols 334—Levant 255--W est Wh eal Treasury 164—Wheal, Tremayne 123—West Wh. B u ll er 115—Wh. Agar 102-3"` t , Crinnis 101—Great Work 95—Wheal Busy 54—Wheal Friend" ship 33—Alfred Consols 38—Wheal Venture 15 —Carzise —Total, 2,584. COAL BURR ET- .---YESTEADAY. Carr's Hartley - ) l , East Adairs Main 135 Co ad' s R e dh eug h I casting's Hartley l4s 60 West Hartley HolYwell Main ........ 14s 60 Ha r tl e y New Tanfield l2B 9d DEATH OF MR. THOMAS RODD.—This eminent biblirpolist died suddenly on Monday last. Mr. Roe, was stricken with unconsciousness at an ear ly hour in th e day, aid died the same evening without h av ing rallie l : His loss will be severely felt in the world o f l e tters. J3 ' Rodd's age was 53. 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