The Sun. — London, England, 1824-04-03 00:00:00

If tile PC, ha t coal- ,; Y Wee' h rC na a t woo Ibily , e ge' hie" sane U" . :4, to the age heir ieli , ow the LITTLETON ; from the Trustees.of the East Smithfield Road, 12y Mr. DENIsOix ; fiom Wm: Clay, by Mr. Buten • from Neal. Bell and Robert, Fitzroy Bell, by Mr. Alderman HEY GATE ; from certain Merchants, Traders, and Shipowners in the City of London, by Mr. Alderman HE v GATE ; and from • certain inhabitants of the Parish of St. Botoiph, by Mr. H Mr. GRENFELL, in moving the second reading of the Bill for the building of a New Dock. at St. Catherine's, contended for the necessity of the measure upon the increased trade and navigation of the river, which required other provisions to be made for the accommodation of goods and ships: He could shew by a paper in his hand that such increase had taken place. Since the year 1798, the exports and imports of the country had increased from thirty millions to no less an amount than fifty six millions. The increase had been , gradual and progressive, and was therefore likely to continue. The consequence was, that a much greater proportion of shipping was required to be provided for in the Ri ver Th ames , th an w h en th e o th er Do c k Establishment s had been erected. It should also be remem bered 'that the Act iotroduced by the Right .Hon. Gentle- . Man, who was then President of the Board of Trade, and now Master of the Mint, allowed. two hundred articles to be ware housed, which never were so before. Another reason why he desired to see this measure carried was, that by extending. the 'iotnpetition, they should give the public. the means of obtain ing accommodation at a more advantageous rate. It was very natural for such &measure to be opposed by those who pos sessed a mo no p o l y , w hi c h i t wou ld be calculated to destroy ; but for that very reason he thought it deserved the attention and support of the House. He conluded by moving the second reading of the Bill. Mr. C. CALVERT said that in opposin the B M ill he could h ave none of tbe. motives I to. which the H g on. ember last. alluded,. for he did not possess . . one farthing of property in any one of the docks.. The ground upon . which be opposed it was annply.this ; it was.proposed as an accommodation to the Mer chants of London, and he was convinced the Merchants of Lon don did not want it. He should, therefore, move as an amend ment that th e Bill b e rea d a second time that day six months. Sir J. 'YORKE said, that in seconding. the amendment he iTust fire hi s squ ib s at t hi s li tt l e bl ue - eye d, nun o f St. Catha -lae's•—(A latigli. ) —This" pretty piece of work had. engaged eighteen Gentlemen and a hal Laughter)—.for as he had been ilf °ruied, the affair had cost eighteen of them 50,000/. each, arid another. 30,0001: He understood that the proposed dock Consisted of 25 acres ground,, covered over by 1100 houses, and population of ,10,000 souls. Tbe injury and ruin that w ould be brought upon these•people was incalculable.. When the Londnn Dock Company was formed, they wanted the same ground, and were re f use d f or : sund good reasons, which, 1 ? apprehend e d, wou ld b e as good. n o w as they were then. he only argument which he h a d heard. against this was, that e death of her late 'Majesty Queen Charlotte had removed the objection. It was said that her Majesty, had some right of rty there, and that the London Dock Company were re- Leo s !) ~.put of a feeling ofdelicacy that could not allow. the Royal Quitman to be touched.. Her . Majesty was undoubtedly. now t ) i he to a much better place, and there might be something in N a .. t FBument. He knew it was desirable to have the Thames bellegati" as clear as possible, and that the shipping should ,pt_,Out. of the Conrse of the river ; and for that reason he fl.tijeounic;learvaeit e . en t di a s t po w s h et e l n to support ,the making of Docks . on s eu by the Tower on the e ri s g a li w t, Olt the left, a h n a d t b tl y ie tii p e lac Le e nd cl ( l ) o :s l ) l o l4 ck a s ere was something so much like showing the "f3es of these eighteen Gentlemen and a.half into the my teries of the London Dock Company, that he should support the amendment with all his heart. 21r. J SMITH made some observations in opposition to the which were not audible. Mr. HUME objected to the measure, because su ffi cient no . iice had n ot been given to the parties interested. Mr. Al ANNING. said that the question was—did tbe_Poet of Loudon require such an establ6hment or not He was satis fied that it did not, because the Petition from the London: Dock Company stated that they had foundations for new warehouses now isid, but that they met with no encourage- Ment to continue the building of them. lie should the these Ffisons oppose the bill. Mr. T. WILSON maintained the expediency'of having such an establishment erected. It was enough for him to shew that the new dock would give superior advantages •of situation and distance. Wheth:r it was a losing or a profitable concern to ih e persons who engaged in it was nothing to him. All he con sidered .was, that it would be for the advantage of the Port of Lonllon. BRIGHT opposed the bill, upon ,the ground of the se crecy and haste which had been observed in bringing it fur ward, and on account of the Standing Orders having been suspended. Alderman HEYGATE contended that the noose could not consent to a measure so cruel and unjust as that noir before them, without some paramount public necessity being shewn. No ground whatever had been made out to justify the ruin that would be inflicted upon such an extensive mass of. property. The lion. Member for Penryn had stated the gene ral increase of the trade of the country, but that had nothing to do with the question. lie ought to have shewn an increased trade in the. Port of London, whereas the returns shewed a di minution in the number of ships which had entered it. No thing could be more opposed to the principles of free trade than a Bill like the present. The object was to confer privileges and exemptions on private individuals. The passing of it would imply that any speculation might be indulged whenever the Three per Cents. were at 95 ; for it was this circumstance Which increased the quantity of money that had originated the present Bill. Mr. HALDIAIAND supported the - Bill. The argument urgo by the Worthy Alderman went to support the monopoly of pocks. Mr. -- RTTERWORTH opposed the Bill. Mr. LITTLETON opposed the Bill on the ground stated by the Hon. Member for Bristol. The standing orders of the House were the only security which individuals bad for the pro tection of their property. Mr. W. SMITH also oosed the Bill for the same reason. pp The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought the question as to the Standing Order was one of considerable im portance; but he thought too that the Bill might be.read a second time, leaving the question as to the interests of indivi duals to be considered afterwards, without any pledge to the satiction of the Bill, if the case of individual hardshiplehould be Made out. -Mr. W ALLACE supported the Bill, on the ground that it related to a great public advantage, to which individual inte rests, must sometimes yield. Mr. GRENFELL said, that the alledged mischiefs which would attend the Bill, had been much exaggerated. The po pulation t o be affected by it, had been stated to be 10,000, but they did hot exceed 5,000. Alderman HEYGATE explained. The House then divided, when there appeared— For the Bill - - 74 Por the Amendment - 59 Majority —l5 The Bill was then read a second time, and committed. SUPPLY. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order of the Day for the House going into a Committee of Supply, _ On the motion of L or d PALMERSTON, it was ordered that the Wide Estim a t es s h ould he referred to the Committee. Thediouse then went into a Committee, and 3lr. HERMES moved a vote for 4,0001. for the charges of Newfoundland. Mr. H UME thought the Colony was able to bear all its ex pellees, though he should not oppose the vote this year. Mr. - W..HORTON said a few words, after which the vote Was agreed to. On the question for 17,0001. for the new buildings at 'White hall for the Board of Trade— Mr. HUME ,wished to know whether a separate building was in tended ? • TheI4IANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that a separate building was intended in consequence of the decayed state of the former one. After a few words from Mr. W. Satins, the vote was agreed to. On the question for 60,0001., for the charges attending the purchase and exhibition of Mr. Angerstein's Pictures, Mr. AGAR ELLIS expressed his acknowledgment to Mi nisters for the liberality they had shewn towards the encourage ment of public taste in the purchase of these pictures. Mr. BERNAL said, he thought the proposed salary of 2001. to an Exhibitor would be insufficient to ensure a competent person. This was mistaken economy. Sir C. LONG said the pictures had been admirably collected. He agreed with his Hon. Friend, that the purchase of single pictures of ackn ow l e d ged merit would be desirable. As to the salary, lie could on l y say that the Gentleman. now ap pointed as ,Exhibitor was ably qualified ; and was satisfied with The joroposed salar y, which might be hereafter increased, if it should be thought necessary. After a few words from Colonel Davies, Mr. Agar Ellis, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Hume, and Sir Charles Long, the vote was agreed to. On the question for 34,0501. for the outstanding charges of the Consuls-General of Spanish America, 31 f.HUM E said he did not o bj ect to the salaries; but he hoped we should be able to adopt such regulations as would preve nt t h e taxation of commerce by the fees of Consuls' offices. Mr. HUSKISSON agreed generally with the Hon. Member ; bui obse rve d that nominal fees were necessary, even fo r the protection of commerce itself. He should propose a regula r salaiy, so th at t h e f ees should not be looked to as a part of i t. --Extraordi nar y expellees, such as tho se a tt en ding th e care or deserted seamen , wou ld of course be separately provided for. , Mr. Hug admitted that all the regulations laid down by the Secretary for Foreign . Affairs as to these Consulates ifd. met the approbation of all parties. The Vote was then agreed to. The following Votes wera agreed to the .expences of Special Missions to Spanish America - - 1:23,500 For the expences of the Commissariat Department • M 0,00 9- For the Extraordinary E tleoces -of the A rmy The next Vote.was, - 104,507/. for-Civil Contingencies. ! Mr. HUME objected to the charge of 624!. for conveyihg the insignia of the Order of the Garter to John the Sixth, King of Portug al; If the King of England had the power of con -f ferring these distinctions, it should not he in such a way as to disgrace the Order, for so he considered :.it to be in the present iostance.. At all . events ; that House ought not to be'rallN , .upon to pay the !expence of -such grants. He could not,con ,ceive a more ,unfavourable - moment investing .that Sore 7• reign with the distinction conferred on him. than the one chosen for doing so, It, was just. -after a total..change had - taken .place in his conduct in opposition to all. his previously. declared sen timents and, intention _when he hail broken .every compact, and violated every engagement he had made with his peoplej -Mr. Secretary CANNING, in explanation of the. abo.V? • grant, said, .that it, was made-several years since, when a shpt .- lar grant was made to .the Ring of Denmark, and. several other Sovereigns., .Circumstances.had prevented the order being sent out before, but when it was claimed, it -.could not be..delayed:' —With respect to any,ehango of circumstances ihthe intertne .diate period, as nothing which could happen in. the interior of a' country could be an, inducement for such a grant, so .neittler . could it it operate_towards its being withheld. Mr. 111111E.,asked why. an individual of the rank of. -our .present Ambassador to the Netheriands.was sent to that-coun try, when one of less note was accredited at- our own Court• from that Power. It was perfectly understood last year to be the intention of the Patch to .change Their Amba%sador to tl4. Court of England for one of a lower .denomination. Now he, was sure he had understood the Right. Hon. Secretary opposite to have laid it down as a rule which could not be departed from, that this Court would not send - a character of higher rank than the onesent as Ambassador to it. _ _ c, Mr. Secretary CANNING - said the origin of the .- report to which the Hon, Member had alluded, was an •intention on the part of the Dutch Government to exalt the respectable indivi dual who had so long held tbe.siteation of Ambassador to this country. It did not, however, 'folio* that the reduction of rank in the Ambassador on th one aide; of necessity entaild a proportionate reduction. on the other. - As a - generarrule, he might have stated it so,- without noticing the exception whin obtained in the instance of the Netherlands, with respect to' which it. had long been the marked policy of thi s country t o - send . , a distinguished - c haracter as • A nibissadOr. • "Th ere ' was certain. discretion.. exercised , by the Crown in these appoint ments, and there were reasons exceedingly strong for always keeping a person of the highest rank at the Hague. • Disembodied Militia of Great , Britain _ xig5,537 ALIEN` . Mr. Secretary PEED. moved that the Order of the Day be read for the second reading of the Alien Bill. • • -Mr. HUME said, that as he considered it his duty, to oppose this odious Bill in every.stage, •he should do so on the present. occasion. It was the intention of himself and mealy Gentlemen to prosecute that intention at an earlier period, but they had abstained, in consequence of the intimation of- the: Right Hon.: Secretary for Foreign Afraire,, that he intended :dating his reasons for thinking. that such a Bill was. necessary. .The. Right Honourable Secretary's Colleague on 16a right told :them that, in asking.: for thisAiilli he ,was doing, no 'more' than asking for what, had been granted for many years:.-; His Right Honourable Colleague on his left told the Howie that the Ki ng o f -England • never had such a power, 'and that till. 1792 no:such power had ever been thought of since the Re volution. Under these contending opinions. in the Cahinet, be thought they were entitled to have whatever information the Right lion. Secretary fax Foreign Affairs 'had it in his power • to g ive ' tb ent ~ Why were we to-forfeit our good name,which it wax ad m i tte d we had held for so long a period ? e knew of no motive for such conduct, if such would he the - ef ect . of . , this Bill, and be did not doubt it would, exc epting- there were some secret understanding_ between the Cabinet of this country and the Holy Alliance. Ho thought the House had a righ t to a parti cu l ar explanation of the grounds on which it was'desired that this Bill.should pass to send foreigners out. of‘the country. Heretofore:they. had. been encouraged by our laws to reside here, anti proof of this was afforded by the statute, providing that a stranger might be tried by a J ury par tly composed of foreigners. • : H e b e li eve d t h at foreigners, • through many. ages, were received here, and if they conformed to the laws, alloWed to reside unmolested. There were privileges which a native Englishman might claim, which were denied to a foreigner, but he-was allowed to reside here, if be conducted himself peace ably and with due regard to the laws. That this wits intended by the farmers of our Constitution seemed -to him clear, from the law to which •he had alluded, providing that a foreigner should . be tried by a Jury eonsistiog of half foreigners and half Engiiehnien. lie would not now contend that in 1791, and at former periods, when there were Pretenders to the Crown, and rebellions in. the North arid -in the, South, that the powers given by such a law might not.be.neeess r y but he maintained there we r e .n u groun d s i n t h e presentcir cumstances 'of the country for continuing so odious a system. —When it was seen that the confederate Sovereigns, of the Continent were using all. the means in their .power to oppose the, progress of liberal principles. ' England, which was pos sesied of a' free Constitution, was bound to separate herself from,. their policy, and to stand forward at , the dead. of the friends of the representative system, in opposition to the sup pos porters of despotism. This Bill ought not to pass, and, in his judgment; the Foreign , Enlistment Bill might be properly re pealed. Instead of agreeing to the present motion,.he.thought • the House would Ao well to adopt a very different propositien. He therefore moved as an - Annendment, That all the original motion:should- be omitted. after That," for the •ptirpose , of adding these words—" appears- tothis House that, from -the period of the Revolution • in 1688 to the-yearl793, a period in which the tranquillity of the country was endangered and turbed by pretenders. to 'the. Throne, itavas not considered ne cessary by Parliament to invest .the Government - with those arbitrary powers which this Bill confers : That it appears to •this House such powers and contrary to the - free' spirit . of. the British Constitution, -in , opposition to-the best interests-of the civilized world, ane in accordance only with. unprincipled de claration and tyrannical acts of the Continental Despots: That this "House therefore deenis it inexpedient to continue powers it regards as .mischievous, if not used, and cruel -and unconstitutional whenever they may be exercised." Mr. N. CALVERT disapproved of the but was sorry to say the amendment was so recordedthat he could not support it. ,He should, think (speaking for himself) that he -acted a cowardly part if he consented thus to attack the conduct of the Sovereigns of other countries ; and the adoption Of such lan guage by the House would, in his opinion, lead to• - great na tional mischief. The SPEAKER read, the.amendinent.—(On coming to the words which Mr. Hume • had read, "' Continental Despots," he. read them "- Constitutional : Despots." (This occasioned much laughter.)—The Right Han. Crentleman read the amend ment again, and repeated the words, which were actually so •written in the paper handed to him, .amidst bursts of laughter. Mr. HUME had no objection to. the word standing ; but it was, known that the word Constitutional was not the expres sion intended to be used. The lion. Gentleman then handed up a second paper, .which contained the word " Gontinetal" where " Constiutional" had appeared. . The Amendment was negatived without a division. On the Original - .Motion 'for going to the Order of the'Day, •the House divided, when the numbers were— For the Motion - 120 Against it - - - 67 Majority - —53 When strangers were re-adrnitted, • _ _ Sir*. WILSON was addressing the House in opposition to the Bill. He defended the language of the Amendment, and :was of opinion that there were tyrants in Europe--they ought to be designated. The Honourable Gentleman who objected to their .being thus spoken of, forgot that they had their guards and executioners to protect them, and had no right to complain of being so remarked upon, when the strictures thus offered were intended but for the protection of those Who were in danger of falling their victims; many;of whom were sheltered from oppression by such means. The character of the English ;Government had been higher than any other, and this, in his opinion, was the most valuable distinction we could possess. This Bill, it appeared to him, with the new modifi cations, was more liable to complaint than ever. lie was asked, if he were not content that 9;000 persons (the number of foreigners as he understood, now to be exempted from the opera tion of it) should be so relieved ? Ile wished foreigners should be exempted from the hardships of such a measure altogether; butif this were not conceded, would rather that 9,000 more were brought within its operatico3, than thatil,ooo should be exempted from it; because h e knew that taking the latter course would abate the oppo sition to the 11111 whichheoonsidered soobjeCtionablein principle, that he could be satisfied with nothing short of its total aban-, donment. Ile contended it was useless; that it had been abused ; and that it was necessary to give it up, to prove the' separation of this country from the Holy Alliance to be coin plate. He concluded by moving as an amendment to the se cond reading of the Bill now, which had been moved, that it should be read a second time on that day six montliii. Mr. N. CALVERT explained the words which he had used in oppo h i ut the amendment as merely descriptive of the rule by which is own conduct would he guided. Mr. Serjeant °NSW* . defended the Bill, and maintained ' during the struggle for extreme principles, which now agitatett the world, such a measure was necessary. Mr. Secretary CANNING rose rather in ftil:ilinent of a pledge which he had been induced to give on a former evening I to.ahe, Han.. Member fir Aberdeen,. than in'admission" that the', state of the question was such as to render any elaborate argue ment necessary for its support, and still less from a feeling theta his own vote on. this occasion required any justification. The Heim Gentleman had called - on, him ina Manner half eompli .menta.ry—half inculpatory, to give some particular reason, - some specific - ground for toneurring in the introduction of this Bill,, which he had - . been pleased to s a y, was contrary to his (Air. Secretary Canning's) general policy. If there were any apparent contradiction (he denied that there was) between the ' course which he now took anti the opinions which he had till now professed 'and-Maintained; hentotild enable the Hon. Gene" Leman to reconcile them. by infbrming him in one*ord what • his object was by furnishing him.Wlth the " .Shibboleth" of his' policy inthe word England. He wished to 'seate here in the outset that in every instance his conduct Was regulated by air .anxiety to promote the. interests of. ehis country; and he re-': jetted and abjured the idea that he regarded the interests of any other State, the wishes of any other (loverntnent, oethe feelings of any other.. people,- wishes, and-feelings, -but so far as those interests, were in accord with his view of the true 'policy of this country, anti were tot 'opposed to the just 'claims anthexpectations of 'the people • a p t f England.—(Hear, hear !)t — Of all the question's discueeed i hat House, the question now before them was that into which the vice of debate in the- pee sent day—the vigour of inflammation had been most carried. If,ea priori; i v itkotatnreforence to"time .and' circumstances, the monstrous propositi on h ad been started that all the frien4s liberty were called to arme e bec al m a Soieereign State • rook upon itself to decide wh at strangers-should be a d m i tte d i nto its : territory, , and on what - footing they shOuld be placed whOn there, it would have-been considered too extravagant to metit 'serious attention, yet all the inflammation excited had been tions with which it had n o concern . He was afraid he should this • simple proposition 'with • nsitim p , produced from: _coupling Iteitclh°te:det against the 1 forfeit•algirtion of the Gentleman's' applatise, when be . a t; l o )ii c e l c a i s t s O es th o e f ,t, a r rii i u e m ip e i n e ts , It ait e d d those on s li it c ri c d wa e es c ri l eo a n r d e ,ir details of his Bill, thathe was miiCh ' more anxious to maintain the - principle of the measure, than to defend its details, He -would - contend. that if nhe principle of the Bill were good at all, it was applicable to Aliens at all times, and under 'all ciectonstances. • On this asSuniption he would takeliie stand, and insist that the right must, and the power • Ought always to be . ' possessed by all SoVefeign States, to, adopt such . regulations with -respect to Aliens as it pleased.' When lui advanced this, he did' not mean to say that this Biltwas one which ought to be at all , times in force. He did not mean to say that its provisions were at all times applicable, to the idtuation cif - Aliens in this country.' If at any time that power, which he contended must reside with the Crown (he did'not name' the Crown invidiously, • as • posseSsing it in opposition • to the will of Parliament) were found wanting,_ if this' power' were. discovered unexpectedly (as it had been dig.. covered-unexpectedly); to he no longer possessed, 7 that was in his mind - a state of things 'which ought not to exist, and thus '•feeling, • when the -pra , seet temporary measure excited; • ast he trusted it would without another remewal T (llear, hear!), as h e trusted it would , without another renewal..-(Loud elieers)-elie hoped the Government then beingof whoilosover it might' be com posedearould-feel it their duty not to kulfer the 'principle otit to be annihileted—(hear, hear!)--if they no logger feel it neces sary to call for the Powers which the Bill now confirmed. He hoped he should.not be taunted (lie did not mean unkindly) by the Hon. Gentleman for throwing out a lure for popularity, in avowing that he -was more enxinue for the :principle than' for: the de tails of the measure. Ile was • most desirous that the de- tails should not 'be involved with the principle' for which lie contended,• and that the expiration of this measure should be' regarded as an abandonment of the claim in the power which he insisted the Crown oteglit - to possess. When he spoke of. the Crown having any power over Aliens, lie begged to explain, that what he meant -was, that this power should be lodged with the Supreme Authority ; and where could is he more properly lodged than with the Crown, in a country like this,-subject to be regulated and shaped by Parliament ! Gentlemen on both sides of . the' Illuse had gone back • to remote periods of our history, to spew how powers, like those given' by this Bill, had been exercised. It r. , sulied tiom these inquiries, and sometimes they had been 'exercised almost arbitrarily, and . sometimes with the consent of Parliament. But the consent of Parliament Wail surely very different now 'from What it was foinierly. Was the consent of Parliament now to be compared with what it was in the time of Henry the Eighth ? What wits the consent of a Parliament which could vote that' the Proclamation of the • King ought to have the force of the law ? Measures brought before such a Parliament 'were only debated in a larger council where the influence of the King was as great as his own Privy Cuuticil. ' That';the Crown 'possessed'; the 'Bower of right of disposing of Aliens he did not mean to say. It was • itnmaterial to hint whether the power' in question were' in herent in the Crown, or whether it was given by Perlianient— ; whether it was 'granted - eenssallV,' or whether it was - only cone filedsac was tothe°Ye ia t up Sovereign antler estreentie jalcircumstances. What he meant power in the State, where e might be lodged , Must possess the right if • if shottld choose erh a l t t t o exercise it, of dealing with Aliens more summarily titrni w claimedi t e f C The I'l6ton-rabic Gentleman- had argued this qu estion ag alone of all. the. count r i es i n th e le ; and 'had been 'asked, why 'should we be an exception in this resp ect fr om ot h er nat i ons ? Such', h oweve r, was not the f act. The question in fact to a ,r be turned the other Tray, an d it shoul d b e d emanded why ahould this country alone be without it ? Not a' singleeouns try, could l>e• named .41 ancient- history or in modern tithes Winch had • not el:timed- the right of eXeteieinee such a' disc cretion - with 'respect t o Aliens.: Ile would defy the' Gentles men opposite to name one front the most to the most' wide spreading • deSPotic , Monarchs: , detnocracy which had not claimed it, but in oriel: te b e it. If then eve , ey other should- the _Government nf , State had law 'of this kind, why --.'srangoint, • alone have it denied. to of to abusingt ent ? W il Y " I(1 "° they .pos,sess it, not -fo'S the purnhVl . armed a ere which g might render it desirable th e t it einiuld heainst dang 'bionglit into action. • Os argument urged against the Bill was, that the itrrOgation of the power exercised natter its against the alien was against the general principles Of freedom, Why was it so ? All Go- - vernments•had claimed it, but inveriably and peculiarly had' it been asserted and . severely exercised hr the freest States. • If' they looked back to the ancient republics they would find proofs of this. Was such reference objected to ? Were 'the classics 'then , lost to • OS ? loOk' tin : Sparta! The'stranger there was little more esteemed than'the - lie might dwell in the city, but he could not delta 'the 'rights and privileges en joyed by those among whom he resided. So in the 'polished rival of Sparta, Athens, the atranger was received,' but he was subject to imposts'und which he shered not in common-•vith. the citizens. A tax'was imposed on him, and omitting to pay 'the 'Alien Tax, was punished by imprisonmen Again in Route. There the steanger' was permitted to live in the- city e but it-was neceesary that 'hie should find a patron.— He could hold no property like a'native ; he could receive no bequest ; and aliens were sent out of the city, not one by one, but by droves, and such goods •as they we allowed to pdssess • were confiscated. 'lleswas - not ' reasoning - in favour Of thin dealing' by strangers, but 'merely contending that the ancient republics had dented the right of - acting by then' - as the cir cumstances of their own policy ought require. The argunient was wrong in point - of fact, Lwhieh :•repeesentedeueli rights as he contended for, to have diatinguished 'the 'countries which were not free from others whose system was of a more popular character. The use made of them was not affected by such peculiarities, •so much 'as : by the circumstances of the commu nities, being new or wad. Afbat was the situation of RoMe when the Horatii fought with die ( 'uratii vshetherkOme should become Alba, or Alba beeetne -.Rome ? Then the cottillay being but thinly peopletl;:Ae Romans' esired to increase their numbers, and adserhitiOn'a(Ens-the- object of their policy. Their conduct then, though'iliftni, was UM. 'inconsistent with that Which -they subsequently' put sued. There was no inconsistency in the case, but the one was ihe,policy of a n ew , th e o th er that o t• an old. community. 'Because the Romans bad Once had'recourse to so extraordinary an expedient to add to their strength, it no more followed: that this should be for ever their policy than it did, that the other strong step taken also With tyriew to the same object 'the Rape of the Sabines, was to form a second lustrum, and to be'periodically attempted diet their population might not diminish. The.policy of all countries had been the ssunewhile young, they wereinipatient to augment th eir numbers—when old,. they werejealous of too easily granting the rights of citizenship. Were proof wanting that such was - the difference between the policy acted upon by nosy-and old comenunitiesethey had.onln to - look to 'the conduct of the two British nations on the sides o the Atlantic, , now so happily joined -in amity, and occupyf ing perhaps • the first place in the eyes of mankind. be them look at the different wystettat acted upon in Englanilt and the United Stites. Whatever liberty might exist in America, and he hawed all hninage th it, he thought it would not be contended that as perfect freedom might not be enjoyed here,' where in his judgment monarchy fostered liberty with a powerful hand, under which it failed obt,to thrive, in- Aced of seeking to crush or to oppress it. But could a greater difference exist than that which distinguished the policy of the two countricis with respect to strangers. 'ln 'the United States all were admitted to the rights of citizenship, and these were regarded as snpereeding the allegiance owed to the States from which the strangers =Me. In England all that jealousy of foreigners of which he had -spoken was found. Did this eiroie that freedom in the United States was at war with despotism in England ? NO ; it *as a proof' of the difference between the policy of new and old States. When it Was said, why should England.be distinguished by a law like this ? he Would ask, in. what part of the world could an Englishman travel, and find hiiiitelf in poatettaion of the lighti or the fo'reignei ? It had properly been remarked by a I,Chilfed derittetnan neat him, that a passport was necessary, and that one word told what it was important to know. You might go a certain distance, but then yon felt that the thain was at your leg, and traveller !!Was . riot Auffered to &lA/After till h airiniiinissiOn bad been -obtained.:, He • did not say that because this wis.so, it was the --business-of-England to imitate the conduct he described, but at all events there was an end of the argument as to our being the only nation in which a foreigner was :übjected to restrictions which attached not to the native inlialaants. Was it thus only in despotic countries that that against which he had spoken took place ? NO, it was' not merely Turkey, in Russia, in Austria, or' in France, but •in free Republics, the police were quite as - much on the alert. Did his Hen. Friend opposite •remember trotting over the Bridge at Geneva ? If he did, he should like to know what satisfaction it was to the "young traveller; who passed hie night in confinement, for shaking the state•to its foundation by trotting over that Bridge, to reflect that he 'as not imprisoned bya malignant - and turbaned Turk, nor by a sovereign despot, but by the people Of a free re public in which the liberal Prineiples of Sistnondi end of an Hon.- Baronet opposite prevailed.-(A • laugh.) -Every country which received strangers with hospitality, deemed it necessary to guard against being made a handle of for pUrposea connected with political intrigue. In the ordinary state of the world, some distinct provision . was 'fitting to be made with respect to . Aliens. Perhaps a' sirnple, registration might be suffcient. Perhaps the enactments of this Bill altered and softened down might be preferred; but this he maintained, that some measure on this subject ought to be in existence, not only for the pre sent but for ever. He now came, to look it the circumstances which rendered the Bill before the House necessary at the pre sent time. lie admitted'that no internal danger—danger to our institutions he meant-=waS to be feared from any foreigners who might reside here. He, indeed believed that at the worst of times there was that in the English Constitution-_the Con stitutibn the'Etiglish mind which. threw off the idea or call-. ing in foreign aid to effect any Change which might be desired. The people were in a manner so inoctilated that there was little danger of their ' receiving' that infection, which under other circumstances 'it might be apprehended the , yresence of foreigners would communicate. Ile believed that it would be beneficial to exempt foreigners who had lived there long enough l( r m ke .6 d .h , for Englishmen 'io he acquainted With th e ir character . It was in this conviction th a t hiS Rightlion. Friend had" introduced hadthatmodification. b e en re c n a t t a i r a a p , p v e c a te re a d t in the Present Bill. Rut, as present dangers to lie appre hended from the s t r nggle s o f ext reme p r in c iples for mastery in different parts of the wo r ld. Thi s c o u nt r y, necessarily lau dably, and mi g ht s h e eve r con tin ue ttitib'so, stoodas a beacon which offered an a s yl um t o t h e o pp re a set t from all quarters. — But while they offered an asylum, tluitigh he would not say_ they should inscribe over the entrance the sentiment found in Dante : e‘• Who enters herd Must hope lay down ;" • But they had a ri g ht t o say , " H ere you must b r i ng no p ar t y feuds.• You come to thi s country f or repose ,. an d t h at s h a ll b e afibrded to you, bitt you arc not to 'make it the workshop of faction and conspiracy." Those who sought an asylum from oppression had no right to quarrel with such conditions being attached to the granting of it. He did not followthis course froth a fear that this, that, or the other country Might be dis turbed. He hoped'.they would not be 4isturbed, for he consi dered the interests of all to be so nicely bound up together that one could not become the scene of disorder without endanger. ing the'peac'e of' the whole; - but it Was'lltitish principles and British interests that be was anxious to maintain. He differed lOtocasl6 froth - those'who were of opinion that England en 'gaged lay her free 'constitution to favour liberty was bound to raise her banner in the cause of those who were dis posed to march to overthrow all the eitahlisliedllovernments of, 'the world.' His Hon. Friend had sone near-to contend for this principle, and' by'lhe 'Hon: Gentleinan opposite it'had been adopted in Mo. He would however remind them, that after the declarations of the 'Sovereign, and the - pledge given by the re corded opinion of Parliament, which had been " echoed by the people 'even till the echo applauded again,"—he would, remind them, that after being thus 'pledged 'to neutrality,. they must necessarily differ from those Gentlemen, whose efforts were directed to the overthrow of that neutrality. He , believed they would willingly---.doubtless for very laudable purposes, - and in the hope of achieving •some magnificent triumph, be disposed to disregard the declaration .of the SoVe_ reign, the pledge given by Parliament, and the, feelings of the people, and therefore it . was not to be supposed that they could be other than hostile to the steady and settled policy of his'Majesty's Government. • But before they attempted to alter that policy, they ought to . applyto Parliament to reverse the decision which it'llad conic to, anti Prevail on the two Ilouses not to favour a system which aimed at composing anger', .keeping down resentment, and softening animosities, and to declare for a' course of exasperation. Before they were called upon to march with the discontented of all countries to attack 'the thrones of the Continent, let them propose - this to Parliament, and as the Honourable Gentleman opposite,, who was" well In his generation," had reebniniended, - the Foreign Enlistment Bill must be - repealed,*and a new era iii legislation would commence. But they must give hint leave to say, that When Parliament had been- prevailed. Upon to do this the new advisers of the Sovereign might find themselves disap- Painted in the result, and after all be obliged to come to the Legislature . for something v ery like a new Alien . Bill. If the 'Crown Were stripped of' the pOwers given by the Alien Bill and the Foreign Enlistment Act, they might hope to see nothing here but armaments preparing to attack the Despots of Europe. 'Now though the advocates for freedom talked big, it did not always happen that their achievements were as magnificent as their language. He would then beg put a case to hiS Hon. Friend (Sir J. Mackintosh), who had lately -given notice of a Motion on 'the subject of South 'Arrierica which be had with drawn, having understood the Government to have declared) that if any armament procesded from the ports of Spain, while the Ftench,had any preponderating army, then it would be re garded as a French armament. Sir J. MACKINTOSH said he bad understOod'this Vie* would be taken if any considerable armament left the ports of Spain under'the circumstances stated. Mr. Secretary CANNING resumed. If any considerable armament left the ports"of Spain his Hon. Friend understood it would be regarded as French. Now as he considered we had a right to act thus, he would admit a like responsibility on the part of England, and agtee that France" would have a right to consider a Spanish armament proceeding from our ports as 'English. titre were Only Sectiied'against the possibility of such an event by the Foreign Enlistment Bill, which gave us power over our own subjects, and the Alien Bill which enabled, us to controul foreigners coming to this country; Stripped of these, what was thereto prevent foreigners from fitting out armaments at Portsmouth 'or Plymouth to conquer .South America for Ferdinand or for some other party ? This country would thus be placed in the situation' which if France Were placed in, the Hon. Gentleman would go to war with her. He defied his Hon. Friend •to - guard against the possibility of this, but by some thing like that for which the Government now contended. • It :was their object to promote the interests of this country, by remaining at peace, by observing a strict neutrality, and by guarding during the present agitations against being placed in. -a situation which might expose them to be bullied, cheated, or in any way brought into a contest not necessarily, affecting • England. They wished to husband the resources of the coun try, to act with good sense, and with honour to all, that they m i g ht not be brought into a situation which would render Eng land the laughing stock instead of the dread of Europe.. So long as the world remained in its present state, no measures but ,suelOtts those which he had 'named could preserve thetri from this danger. Though he might not go so far as his Hon. Friend p f r ole d rhe do Po ill its of Spain, yet he, felt that if we the event of a few . armed ships "Wet& to afford either party th e fa c ili t ie s o f ou r s ho res, th e ac e commodations of our harbours, an d t h e a id o f our great capi swteoaullidn g b out d is capi tal, 'we should expose ourselves to the charge of hiving de 'parted • from that policy which it had been announced to the world England was fixed to maintain. Let it not be thought that armaments would only be fitted out by the friends of liberty. There was no country which did not draw the sinews of war from the Exchequer of our Exchange. Ile did not mean to comment on the propriety or impropriety tif doing so, but 'we advanced indiscriminately money to all parties. As Captains of the same nation had formerly led hostile hosts to battle, so now those who were Captains' Cap tains furnished the financial means of war to all. Let then the act complained of be abandoned, and Ferdinand, if he should - regain strength, would be free to come here and fit out an ar mament to crush the liberties of South America. He defied his Hon. Friend to be secure against this, 'if the Alien Bill 'were given up, and the Enlistment Act repealed. lie wished topre- Serve a strict neutrality in act and deed, and rejected all those little flirtations which were likely to lead to its violation. It Was not his wish to see England leading those armies which contended for extreme freedom against those who were called the Despots of the Continent. But those who declared this Measure to he dictated by, or adopted to please any Govern -meta, or any set of Governments, were deceived ; and he now, in the hearing of the House, in the hearing of his country, and what was more to the purpose, in the hearing of those who had thrown out the iinputation, rejected it as unfound ed, as most false, (he did not inenn to use the word'offen aiyaly) as wholly .unmerited ; and the imputation was one which he so shrunk from, that dearly as lie valued those ties which now bound this country to all the nations of Europe in amity, there was not one connection which be would not sacrifice rather than. submit to deserve it.—The object was to preserve neutrality, and the ,Goiernment would lose .that character if they suffered a violation of rules which might bring doubt on their intentions. The ooestion, theo, ,and, th e o n ly qu e s tion was, whether the provisions of they trench ' the Bill were prudent and necessary, or whetter , tit More on individual liberty than was Justifiable. The Right Honourable .Secretary took the liberty of stating, that the piiriicise ior 'the Bill was die purpose o} the House, because What (lid' th - it was, founded ou their recordDOl ? Vetniiient not to punish and impris on , Vi tt It enabled 0 to tentoVe froni the country t etoreigner whom they had - teas son to suspect of violating the asylum afforded him. There was another strong circumstance. There was an appeal to the Privy Council. He did not mean to describe that appeal to be like the common progress of the law, but it was notorious that open conduct on the • part. of Gosiernment was a protection against wrong. Who did not know in this free country that fairness of conduct with respect to' Government was insured nine times out of ten by open dealings By the power which the Bill vested in the hands of Ministers, the House would enable them to remove foreigners, and they also enabled them to • let such persons remain in the country where there was no den, • ger. With respect to the observations made by an Hon: Gen , tlernan, namely, that no danger could be apprehended frorie emigrants, a case had recently occurred which proved how much that Hon. Member Might be deceived. Not long since he*as so 'fortunate as to receive infohnition, from authority they could t. not doubt, of a plotin agitatiOn among emigrants in this country. A plot well got up', and not deficient in means for its accomplish , ment. The infOrmationeeceived he' communicated to his Right lion. Friend the Secretary for the Home Depaitment. That Rt. lion. Friend followed it up,.and arrived at the sameconclusion he had fanned. What did we do? (said Mr. Secretary Canning) ? Did we enforce the Alien Act ? Did we•serid the person home to be exposed to punishment? No ; mY Rt. Hon. Friend and I de sired to see the individual alluded to. We told him of our discovery ; and named his associates. The plot was not denied: I told bin . I would let Fiji Governnient know of this plot, • but conceal the names i e t s ig o h f t in H di o v n id . u F a r l ic s. n :n my conscience -I sincerely believe we prevented the explosion which had been arranged, and was ready for execution." Would this be called ti n abu s e of the Bill?— : and himself wereheeitating about the 'renewal of the Alien Bill when the circumstance which he had stated occurred, and they were satisfied,. when the facts were known e that the could, not do their.duty to the. public if they did not pass it... He asked the House eehether, in the proceed , ings ',Oder the Alien Act, mein the manner in which.the power given to the Government had been, applied, they couldesee any thing to warrant those constitutional jealousiesee-be begged par don, COnii nentoljealousies„(a laugh)-,fel t- by lion. Ai embers ? A Noble Lord who seldoin.said any thing but good sense, had suggested that all the objects of the Bill might be derived from an Act .of Parliament, for the purpose of trial and punishment. : The Noble Lord had better ery.his hand at making such a Bill—The Noble Lord had one at. that time before the House for regu lating CountryeCourts, and the Noble Lord might try one for punishing- foreigners for treason against their own States: In case such a Bill was attempted to be introduced, the difficul , ties would be most formidable. It must be a sort of privi , lewd .measure, a thing connected with the consent of other States, and not a general Act of ,Parlitunent.' The Noble Lord would find the County Courts Bill sink into. insignificance -compared to the projected, measure. The power in the Alien Bill had been given to Ministers because the. object was not to let the crime ripen, .but to meet it and stop it before execue tion began. - lie admitted the . principle in this country, that every man , wai.. considered. innocent till found, guilty, but when they were ealking of: the political .state of the world,. it was absurd to suppose a Trial by Jury would answer the pur pose of preserving the peace and good understanding which England was desirous to observe with respect to foreign coun tries. If tile safety of any part of Europe was endangered by the flame of rebellion lighted in England, would it extinguish the flame to say we have got one or more of the rebels, anti he would be tried by a jury of foreigners ? That was not the course to be pursued. rite object was to free this country from those who would bring danger upon it, and for that. purpose the Bill was in every respect a proper Measure. The Right Honourable Secretary saw nothing to prevent the Bill having the desired effect. It was supposed the Bill would be abused; because it gave a strong exerctse of power, but m u ch exaggera tion had been resorted to. on that. subject. Some .Gentlemen supposed every foreigner . bad an angelic face, And that every one who came to Eng,land wits a hero. Nothing caine to our shores at the present day that was not a patriot of the. first, wa s ter. They had surely forgotten the ancient dislike of foreigners. Dr. Johnson gave a description of foreigners less flattering, when he wrote— London, e! - ti e l a i' r c i e : k s t nc tl it t i i: mri c o o tf r i consider el s i an t re . i :e s y d t: y a e a r p n y v e dil i o , tl e r ha i l s e ie t n e : r f :-li l i tg o l : e r e on : re i n r fl:l:thrneaoiegntin'il; impostors country, nomine, persecuted person, They bad' Giarletans Li. , every where, genii omnia arpti.before the lion. M em b er eon sidercd every for e i gner a hero, perhaps it would be judicious to inquire who and what they . were. _ So- long as danger Ives likely to continue from machinations of foreigners in this coun try, it would be prudent to keep the Alien bill operative. When it shall cease, they might return to mitigated measures, but Whatever might be the opinion of others, he should be an advocate for the Bill in the preeent disturbed state of the world. 'Mr. TIERNEY replied to the Right lion. Gentleman in a speech, through which we lament that our limits will not enable us to follow him. *He said, if ever there .was a speech which looked one way while it.rowed another, it was that . of the Right lion. bentleman. • The Right Hon. Gentleman's text was the safety, the peace ofEngland, so much was the same text his own, that if any man could convince him that the Bill was necessary to the peace or thasafety of the country, he would heartily vote for the measure. I Butllie was perfectly convinced that the inte rests of Great 'Britain slid not call for the Bill, and the Right Hoe. Secretary had admitted that he himself had doubts of the necessity far it even wititio the last fortnight. The Right. I liOnourableSecretary had wasted a great deal ,of classical re search in ascertaining at. what perio d a nation was in a fit , state for rape.—(Leud laughter, and hear !)—ltut from the Revolue att t ilm i li e een n onni il g o wes i it v ay n seu:s to idab a in ia te date,. a period :during es; ;tich.the country had existed in great prosperity, no inch law as that now before the House had been deemed necessary—a measure which went only to enable Government to worry any poor devil of a foreigner who , should come into the country.--(A laUgh.)—These men sought an asylum here .on account of' political differences between ow t u l h i s e e. i n r . itl r idi u e l yi e t rs cwa ; n • s oeinl new w here p t o a b r h t y y i styled the other tyrants; those called these rebels. If they came in great name • ben some alarm might lie entertained sit their . arrita/ r ts t i o bl l e e t a s rn a , ll .th f a ' t arl be cause of men were oppressed at home they ought to be viewed With suspicion in England. The Right Hon. Gentleman spoke of . the danger which this country ran of being committed by machinations of those emigrants, but it felt no fear of being equally compromised by th e m ac hi na ti ons o f t h ose D espots who plotted against the liberties of mankind. The Right . Hon. Gentleman had referred to a plot. He was convinced that the • knowledge of it had not been obtainedby'eny system of espio nage established by his .Majesty's Government —, (Hear, hear !)—for cou ld not suspect them of such unworthy • conduct; butstill the plot was communicated to Ministers—and' what had they done ? They told the individual whom they called before them they would inform his Government of it. Was it necessary that they should have an Alien Act to enable them to make such a communication ? If it never existed they could have done so with the same facility. The argnme.nt in favour of the Bill founded on that circumstance, therefore, tell to the ground. The kindest act which the House c ou ld de. to Ministers, or to their reputation, was, to refuse to pass dee Bill. It was for the Right Honourable' Gentleman to, prove that any danger existed for which the hill would be a re medy : but he (Mr. Tierney) was, satisfied that there was dan ger to be - apprehended from the restless ambition of the Con tinental Despots.. He was satisfied that the Right Hon. Gen tleman would not yield 'to the dietation.of those Sovereigns; but he believed there was a general engagement to which we were a party, to preveat any future attempt at revolution. It was f t er that principle mat Napoleon was put down ; the Bourbons re-in stated, and that we had expended millions of. our wealth ; he was satisfied that this Bill formed.our portion of the measures agreed to be taken. The Right lion. Gentleman had work enough of other kinds on his hands, let him not, therefore, for God's sake, become the political agent of Foreign Govern ments—( Hear !)—He (Mr. Tierney) disclaimed any intention to apply that language offensively to the Right Hon. Gentle man; but he implored of him to, leave off hunting of posr' foreigners. While Europe was . distnected from one end to the • other by plots and conflicts arising out of broken promises: 411 he shotild ails Of Government was, to pursue strict neutrality.. His objection to the Bill was, that it was in fact a breach s of neutrality, being directed against one party only. England had nothing to apprehend, and he joined the Right Hon. Gentle man sincerely 'reasserting, that she Was sever before in a state of greater proiperity.—(Cheers.) i a in c na tio n f t r ia o Mr. Secretary CA NNI NG rose to explain. He assured the f.lus own Mr. TIERNEY—Did the information come to the Right the r th ei e g p n lo s t li t n o is w te h r ie . he alluded an Hon. Gentleman on his hoy:nopdueirrdstonhnaotto come to DiliodniliGeelnttilgehmtalnlofnro.Zentlernan set any person to look after those foreigners.? ~• Mr. Secretary CA NNlNG—Certainty not.—(Loud cheering.): Mr. Secretary . PEEL, after the speech of his Right Hon.. Friend, Which contained his sentiments, would have Remained silent, had he not been called on to answer the observations , of the Right. Hon. Gentleman. It was satisfaction to find it admitted that this country was triumphant and happy . He re joined in that unqualified admission made by the Right Hop.. Gentleman. The Bill had been censured as well as the motives of those who introduced it. ' The, Right Hon.' Gentleman said. there was an understanding with Foreign Powers to destroy '- every vestige of freedmen He positively denied the existence,' e of any such understanding expressed or implied. This coun try was to be the asylum of foreigners , and in no one instance on account of political opinions, need any individual be denied an asylum. He Would not, howevei,•as his Right lionoutatde im r n e t s aa p nn e cy c e t i i : n_ o g_ Friend, said, make. England, .the workehop of. factions Istr would he Sgite auppOrt to any, briej - ittrty - more ehan an ether..itn Right Hon . Gentlemen said the Alien Act was not 1793, but the Habeas Corpus Act was suspended. Sending,