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ell be X. he to of ti- Ii to he ra. ry,,,, n 4 Hi:, (I its lag ISep !bt. l 1/0' 1:ao the tbC bto , Cba not, re' the 10 . 'et u fet t " - T " re' 40 0 ' I 'V ' 'ow e ; t fa. 1114 upon the table were merely in honor of in -1 1411. 1's without pointing ont any mode of relief. G,ener,tl GascoYNE and Mr. Cu rtwatsl explained. litc.4noo observed, that though he was of ` o tlrse a friend to petitioning, he tliought some 'P,lir(i oug h t • to be paid to tae time when pe- N i toc” 3 were introduced. If it were impos t 4 ):• to relieve the distresses generally, as Af .believed it to be, it would be some tat to grant an inquiry into the !tut' of agriculture. If raising the price of corn t it nald aid the a g rienthuists, -a remedy might easily "devis e d. That WAS not, in truth, the grievance, 4r. not the whole of it ; for not otie class only, b f ':l. all classes, were in a state of suffering. lie e !I :that there could not be a rnore important IPestion than that relating 11 , the importation or Fu ll -importation of grain, and nothiug eutsid• be l uote adeantageons to the nation at large than that. 1 ," 1 1, should be cheap by permitting it to come 1410 the kingdom, freely. lie was in, favour of 4 "iving petitions from • all descriptions of per- k "nR, but he was decidedly against granting the ( 44 yer of those just laid upon the table. CALCHAFT was happy to see Petitions pre %Ned to a tribunal from which, it no: relief, at' ; "st enquiy. might be expected ; Hod he thought I. would he t both most unwise and unjust to shut the complaints now brought before the Ouse. Surely no injury could be done by grant -14 an investigation. At present the land was t :'"st unfairly burdened with the maintenance of d 'e poor ; and whether some relief could not be in this particular was worth examinat i iti o n "ore a Committee. -- Lotti NUGRNT bore testimony to the respecta ilitY of the petitioners from Buckinghamshire p ' l e diff , ..reti trout them, not so much in their con v'i"ltotis as in their let:suiting, and especi:illy where "'ey expr e sßed an opii,inn that an extension of the 'sten t of the Corn B 1 1 would give relief to th e Ittrrilers. This cis of nelsons of late hart been ' upon their cttpital, u otr hea dy Ex h„ os , e d. tile Cause o f all these distresses was an inunehse 'lt.bc and a fictitious paper entrency. 114.1-lusalF:soN deprecated a premature discus of this eieat vestion : sonic time might be cially ~ppointed to take it into consideration, • at present it most inconveniently interfered h the litifineQs of lite day. Air. S. WORTLEY recommended that public ma'- . s diould not be introduced until the private 4 "sinesl had been, as usual, dismiv , ed. „ Vein ions were then brought up and laid on 1 ‘• LYTTLETON gale notice, that he would move on If next frr leave to tiring in a Bill for the estahii;hm ent ' 4 more eff.setual standard for regulating the wages of la uthrers la Potteries. t e i r E. WI \ NINGTON presented an Agricultural Petition un the County of IV,acvster. BYNG presented a Petition from certain Occupiers of I ditt the County of Middlesex, complaining of the Agri tlral Distresses. ° it the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL, a New Writ was or -I,reti to be issned for the Borough of Tavistock, for a new Cuiller to serve in the room of N. Fazacherky, Esq. who :4 ,""litt'd the Chiltern Hontlreds. LORD REGISTRAR presented a Petition from the tx!nels ot FfeeholdS in the County of Dthabarton, praying ~ 4 t the islalt Duty might he tatten off. PARLIAMENTARY REFNIM. Sir NI XV. RIDLEY. in laying upon the table a troutthe merchants, haoktrs, inhabi itikrits, proprietors, and oci•upiers of property in Ne wcastle-upon-Tyne, in favour of Pit liamen '!'-ry Reform, wished to be indulged with a few *um, upon the subject. It weis signed by 3,016- Person,, to'his personal knowiedge, of the greatest t peetability, and it was nnanintondy agreed to 41 a meeting very numerously attended : it also steserved remark, as being - the first meeting at which the re 4 trietive powers lately given to Ma- Of rates had been carried into effect. He did not In "'n now to enter, into the propriety of the opi i-ns contained in the Petition ; it would be fil me.icnt to say, th a t though many gentlemen might still think they went too far, they prayed neither I , ‘ " Annual P ar li a ments nor Universal Suffrage. Ll e - thoced that the Petition do lie upon the table. t ,. N11 • LAM BT ON thought it right to observe, that "1 Petition Originated entirely with a class of ;hen who, • nnfortntiately, had not hitherto taken t .'at shar e i n t h e i nterests o f t h e co untry which t ':e.y ou g ht to have done .! he meant the middling ttato, es• regretted that the Mayor should .- rOtised to give his sanction in a question 'ved the greatest considerations. The tneet ecuttt, t• •:, 14 not the less respectable on that Re is Hon. Friend (Sir M. Ridley) having P'esenc al it : he hoped the example thus fit ' 0 0(1 '.te 'followed. it the middling clas3es It 3 kiy..hverest in the country, they must now turward ; he should not enter at that time f t " t he question; he had a motion to bring be e ! te consideralion of the House on the sub ttir vvh.ti he should be prrTared to state what 'lll;snents were,—Ordered to lie on the table, be printed. CIVIL LIST. :1 4 SErroN presented a Petition from certain 'tants of Liverpool, praying, that its the ar 411ent which was about to take place of the 1 L i 3l 4.the great distresses of the country, ' n g from, enormous taxation, might not be '. 4 el , l "ked.. The Petitioners, above all, !legged 1 4 7 14 the attention of the House might be directed e enormous amount of the Pension Li4t, Inett h a d such a bad effect on the minds of the 1 914 . They humbly hoped and prayed that this it It Might b e limited to its amount ; and also that mi t . heeomeia law, that no part of the pen -41111 atone Way to b e grante d by the Crow n t o ge nt Member of that house, or, that it it was so nt " l 9 that Member s ho u td be thereby ihcapa li-etHttied. from sitting in that House.—Ordered to ;rlt the table, an d to b e pr i nte d. p r, ReNNRTT gave not i ce that he i nten d e d to 4 ' ,Pose a c l ause in the Civil List Bill, that no kb T receivi ng a pension from the Crown should be r e to tak e a seat in that House. Nitt..ToN presented a petition from the in ..rvoluims of W ake f ield, in the county of Ywk, Pxvl7Ying that the duty on woollen manufactures, xre lli they considered as causing distress, in a , u _ ( " . t mass of the people, miyht be alieviated.— O!eyed to lie on the table, and to be printed. tl.lr. PRlcit presented Petition from certain . I " l, lets in the county of Hereford, playing for tlrlv.inAittiry into the causes of !be tig!.icultural dis e3--r-Ordtred to lie on the Ltble. 41 , ; , AFFRAY AT OLV , II.INi. L.-08./awaits. his tut the iturpose of resent. ing R Petition from a great baby or reqcta. hie inhabitants of Oldham, in Laneastetsliire. He trusted he £hould he excused for shortly stat ing the objects. of the petitioners. It appeared that a series of tn;litarr outrages, as they were called, had been committed upon the people in the im m ediate neighbourhood ot Oldham. Before he presented this petition Lie had thought it his duty to make inquiry with respect to the correct ness of the allegations in it ; and from the result of his inquiries he was able to say, that from all he could make out it 'appeared that there Was no exaggeration of any of the facts therein stated. A t the 4,, tite tiine b e could assure the House that there was nothing disrespectful in the A'f dress of the petitioners. It appeared froM their statement, that the soldiers, who had been front time to time quartered among. them, bad beets guilty of excesses against the inhabitants, in con sequence of which a cohtiutt4l chauge of troops .was kept up. Unfortunately the 'per)* in that part were so fully impressed with the ioutility.of, applying to the Civil Magistrates for jubtier, that they even preferred carrying their complaints to the Commanding Officers of the Coils from whom Ihey had si.ffered. notibeing able to obtain redress, they were induced to apply to that liaise for it. • The petition was signed by 3.0 M) indivi duals, who prayed the subject might be taken, into consiJerai ion. . • On the petition being read. Mr. H. CLIVR said, be felt himsdf called on to make a few observations relative to this Petition, which , would put the House in possession . , of hi fortnatiOn; ou which they might be able to form. a correct judgment of its nature. The Petition itself. he believed,' was drawn up by a person of some notoriety in that part of the world frOm which it proceeded, the conductor of the Nun chester Obseruer; awl the fact was, the affray with the military tvas much exaggerated. He would state the facts of the case, which he had re• ceiv2d from. the Most authentic quarter. On Monday the 24th ult., being the day on which his Majesty's birth-day was celehtated, some soldiers of the Regiment, then kt (porters in the town, had tepaired to a poblic,house, .for the purpose of rejoicing on so proper an occasion. Whilst they were conducting themselves in a mos: orderly manner, one of the townspeople, who Was also present in the room, proposed a most improper toast, which called forth thccen sure of one of tine patty of soldiers. From insult the towuspeopie proceeded to otcrage, and the soldiers were finally d7iv.r) out of the house.. 1--li w-okl state the toast, and then leave it for the House to judge whether any loyal man who bad sworn allegiance to his king could submit to, it without making a retort. Tie toast was—" May the skin of every Loyal man be torn off his back to m.=kea drum tor the Refot . mets." There, were but five or six soldiers at the beginning of the fray : one loan got out of the window, and brought down a number of the .soldiers to rescue their comrades, who were strongly barricaded in by the town's people. There were, r, bout fii- . teen soldiers got into the house altogether. They were assailed with blows, and they returned as good as they received. The affair did not rest bete on either side. The Commanding Officer put the soldiers concerned in the affray into coo iinement, till he had instituted a full inquiry into their conduct, and the Magistrates instituted an inquiry also. The House, therefore, he presumed . , would hardly think it necessary to go into any further inquiry on the subject. • The question seas then pat, that the petition be laid on the table, when the Noes appearing to pre. dominate, Sit F. BURDETT rode, and said, that all that had been said by the Honourable Gentlem - an who had just Sat down, so little referred to the propriety of granting the prayer of the petition that he should not have th,, t , g h t i t necessary also to trouble the Hoose, had it not been for the ef tect which that Hon. Gentleman's tecornmenda tion had produced. It appeared to him of no great importance, who had been employed todraw up the petition ; and it appeared to him a little extraordinary that the statement of the Hon, Gen tleman, which there could be little doubt he had obtained from an interested person, should be taken against the statement made by almost the whole of the inhabitants of the place. He thought, in the present circumstances of the country, - the Honse would scarcely venture to reject a petition on such grounds. The CHANCRLLOR of the EXCHEQURR said, that though he had no doubt the facts of the case would turn out upon investigation to be as they had been represented by the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Clive), yet such being the subject of the petition, and its being couched in respectful language, he should recommend that the petitio❑ be received. Mr. BOOTLE{ WILBRAHAM thought that the House ought to receive the petition. He thought . - that the allegations contained in it ought certainly. to be known, for the more they were known and canvassed, the more futile would they appear to be. Mr.. flossy CLIVE explained, that he did not contemplate the subject's receiving any future con sideration; and he had. therefore, thought it his duty to enter his objection 'at that early stage. Lord AIILTON was of opinion that it mattered tint whether the statements of the Hon. Member (Mr. Hobhouse) who presented the Petition were correct, or whether those of the Under Secretary of State were correct. *lt was sufficient that the charges were of a grave and scrions nature, 96(1 therefore demanded the consideration of the House. He hoped the case would be pursued in order to give the country a clear understand ing of it. The Petition was then read and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. BoOTLR WILBRAHAM said, he hoped it would not be thought inconsistent for him to say that the matter of the Petition was not what it was right for tuat House to enter into an enquiry upon. Lord MILTON contended, that if there was any grievance th it any part of the nation had to corn .plain of, t h at House was the proper place to carry their grievances to. Mr. Honnoo,e thought it necessary to say hKt tie staterments be made were not to be .re ceived as coming from himself. He could only remark, One he had wade enquiry into the facts of tLe Pethion ; and from Ode ftecon , it! he had received it would . appear hat they were rather orider-rated thati exaggerated.—The P i ition was then ordered to he printed, • GENERAL HISiLOP. Mr. CANNING Saitt p it would be in theirecojlec tioli•of many Gellt3enten who bacl been Members during the last Parliament, that the Thanks of that house hat,e'n voted to the 111F:ruin's hf (+wings, General Hislop, and other distinguished ()Ricers,. to .whom all had concurred in offering a tribute of praite. A reserve, however, had been wade with respect to General Hislili,•on a queS lion relative to the Governor of Volt •Haldnah.— He bad promised at that time to use. the. utmost diligence in order to procure a satisfactory expla nation of the circumstance alluded to ; and be was now able to acquaint .the House, that the papers had arrived, in .which the most satisfactory expla nation of the matter was contained. He there fore Moved, that there he laid before the House' C6pies . ,,f Repor!s' recoivid since the 15th of February, 1819, from General Hislop, relative to the circumstances connected with the capture of Ilaldnah."--:The papers were accordh!gly brought up, laid on toe table, and ordered to he printed, CLERK. OF THE PEACE IN IRELAND. Sir J. NEWPORT brought in a Bill regnlate the appointtnent of Clerk of the Peace in Ireland. —Read ft first time and ordered to be read a se cond time on AFulday. DISTRES AT BIIINTINGHANT. Mr. DUGHALE preSet)ted a pefilion from Bir mingham, praying, that an inquiry might be in stituted to ascertain the causes Of the distresses prevailing. in the nianofacinting classes. The dis tress said to exist in the petition, the lion. Gentle man. clserved, did not seem to it,.! exaggerated. Mr. BROUGHAM said, he had been invited to give I.i sopport to this Petition, and he could ,state so much in favour of it, that a more respec table body of individuals did not exist than the persons who signed this Petition. They were ;not connected with any party whatever in politics. :With' respect to the pray..rs of the Petitioners, lie could not help.statint: his opinion that their ap. .plication to that Hose was not the proper mode to be pursued. He said this as the result of ex perience and reflection, being fully convinced that a Parliamentary in quiry could not -he satisfactory to the wishes of the Petitioners. tie thought his Majesty's Ministers, horn the superior means they 1)4(1 of inquiry and of bringing the matter before the House, were the best channel through which to pursue an object of this description. He wish.- however, that he was not obliged to add, that the present Administration was not a very Hittiy one to follow that plan with success. He said this without the slightest view of a factious nature. It was , his real opinion that there was -no one party in that House sufficiently strong to form an Administration in the present exigencies of the country. _ _ 'r. SPOONER thought the last sen'eece of the Right Hun. Gentleman's speech rathur out of place in a question of the kind that was before the House. He hoped the Petitioners would ever pursue the constitutional way they were now pur e . suing in stating their grievances to the House. A coutparison of the Poor's rates paid a few years back, and those paid now, woeld be sufficient to show the distressed state of the Cottony. In Birmingham, in 1816, the Pool's rates paid for the foui• first months tamOunted to 5,5571.; for time corresponding -four months in the present year, they were 10,810/. The same dif ference %with! he found in all the other branches. He was sorry t o have to relate a tact which had come to his knowledge in a letter he bad received from a friend in the neigh bourhood of liirtnitigham. His friend informed him that the mailers abont VOttley, Scarborough, and Stowhridge; all lett their work last Monday, and were. going about the country rioting, saying they could pot live in any other way, and it was much feared the iron-workers and colliers were about to join them, which they had threatened they would. These deluded. men ‘tvere pursuing the very worst means for gaining the consideration of the Hots; but he hoped they would therefore, be more ready to lend an antntive ear to the complaints of those who did tint riot. Mr. Banucixam and Mr. SPOONER mutually ex plained ; and the petition was ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed. GAME LAWS. It was ordered, on the motion of Lord CRAN. BOURNE, gist there be hid before the House an Account of the Number of Prosecutions last year for Offences against the Game Laws. DUNLEARY HARBOUR. Mr. C. GRANT presented d petition from the Commissioners' of Dunleary Harbour, praying assistance.—Laid on the, table, BUS6;ESS OF THF. HOUSE. The SrEAKOt staid, before the public business for the day began, it .would be fur general con venience 'that a particular hour should be fixed for its general commencement ; that time should in the first instance he five o'clock, and as the busi ness of the Session 'proceeded it might revert to half-past four. He was aware that t he private fi business could not be finished by five o'clock un less Members would attend, and enable him to take the chair at hall•ptist three or a (muter be fore tour. . That he. conceived might be easily ac complished, il•pentlemen who had private busi ness would give their early attendance. .„. STAGE COACH BILL. ?Jr. M. A. TAYLOR moved the second reading of the Stage COaeh Bill. It was afterwards com mitted ; and a few vcrhal alteration , ' having ben Insdy, it was reported, and ordered to be taken into further consideration on 'Monday next. ALIJOURNNIENT OF THE HOUSE. On the motion of the CHANCELLOWO the CHEQUER it w agreed ►hat the House at its rising should adionrn_unr,ililionday. UM, L,IS C BILL. • f)rt the Order of the Day for the second read ing of • this Bill, Sir 11.11ERON thought it necessary to press on the consideration of the fio►►se the distressed state of the country, which he thought did not sufficiently weigh. with those who were introducing the Civil List, founded on the highest scale that could be proposed, when we were at the greatest height of prosperity, fle was afraid the ominous tnei•tiuu of the wer•d " licottcnny," the ,peecll,l:um•the "!lone, was only for the purpose of dibpeiii:ug with it in practice. The Bill •was.then anowed to be read a so and time, and vas ordered to be committed on .t%lon. day.- Mr. [RI NE opposed tie new settlement of the Civil List, because the House was called upon to decide without information relative to the expert• niture between 1815 and 1820, ; Also on account of the complexity of • the Bill, - *hich, in his opi nion, ought to have shown what w ent to the King, and to have simplified the statutes rela tive to the Civil List. He thought that 4:10001. per annum would support the Royal Household. if unmixed with other matter, .V11)101 Ministers, he believed to mystify the country, combined with that charge. He meant this . exelusive, of another expellee of considerable importance, as every man'A wife was an important personage in his houseliold, and yet on the present occasion .that item was omitted. Although it hail been agreed to debate the question On time Report, the Hon. Gentleman continued to state his arguments upon various points. The Right Honourable the Chancellor . of the Exchequer had told theta that the surplus Qf any branch in toe Civil List was applied to cover • deficiencies in other branches. But the third class, Ott which the charge was 226 : 0001., was regulated by two Acts (Mr. Burke's and Mr. Banke's Acts), to the ellect that no Ainbassadors should be pen sioned to the amount of MOM who - we - ee not 35 year; of age, or had served ten years. It was also enacted, that a n y surplus out this class should he paid to the Consolidated Food. How could they know that thes,t provisions were ob.:erred, when the information as to who the Ambassadors were was refused them. He further accused Ministers of concealment, and, a,iv er sing to some of the items for plate to public functionaries . in the Re. port of 1815, revived the charge of extravagance in this particular. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER \Void , ' just notice to time Honse, on the accusation of concealment brought against Minisrems by the Honourable Gentleman, that if he looked at the Returns relative to the Consolidated Fund Ittitl regularly before Patliamenr, he would find every surplus that had arisen tin the third class o f Civil List, accounted for in them. It was true . that the account ,of all pensions paid to Ambas sadors might not be k, own to the Hon. Geotle man, but he might have recollected that it had been ordered within these few days, and would no doubt be on the table in a very, short period.— With respect to the plate, upon which the Hon. Gentleman had animadverted, that allowance was of old usage, to enable Ministers abroad' to sustain the dignity of their station as representatives of their Sovereign. and had, besides, been di.con tinned since 1816. It did not belting to the indi vidual but to -the -Be would-riot trouble the House with any further rem-!rks. The Bill was ordered, tobe committed for Mon day. SCOTCH BURGHS. Lord A. HAMILTON postponed his Motion on the Scots, Burghs to the 25th instant. NI,XIIII.IAGE ACT ANIENDMENIT BILL. On the motlon of Dr. PHILLIMORE, the Marriage Act Amcndment Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. The Irish Exchetinev Bill went through a Committee, and the Report was ordered to be received on Monday. Sir J. NEWPOBT obtained leave to living in a Bill to ex tend the jnriselietion - of Assistant Bartisters (Ireland) for' trial of recover ies of tenernents.and replevins ander 501. LONDON 13M DG E. Mr. Alderman WOOD obtained the appointment of a Com* m it tee t o inquire into the state of London Beidge. A person from the Court of Directors of 'the East India Company presented a Resolution of the Court, on the war rants granted for salaries and pensions. —Laid on the Table. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned till Monday. LONDON JOURNALS. FROM THE MORNING PAPERS OF THIS DAY. [Morning Chronicle.] The last accounts from the Qneen are dated Turin, the 2d inst., by which it is clear that the former 'statement of her having passed through Lyons was incorrect. Several packages belong ing to her Majesty the Queen have been lauded at Dover. [Morning Post.] By the Leeward Island Mail we have received adviees from. St. Thomas's to the 9th April. The Insurgent forces on the Main, under Bolivar, amounted to 15,000 men ; but in consequence of the want of arms, not more than five or six thou sand could be enninped. The want of arms was most severely fett by Bolivar, and indeed by the whole army. The agents at Trinidad . had ;not been able to procure the necessary supplies at that place, although they did not want for mo ney, another considerable sum having been sent to Angostura from Santa F 6.. Bolivar very shdrtly; expected large supplies of arms and ammnuitiori from the United States. Although the Govern• ment at Angostura were in possession - of.suffi• eient money, it did not appear that any of the British claimants had_ been paid, who had assisted them with men, arms, and ammunition. [Neu; Times.] Advice, have been received from the Isle of France; of the 12th of February. Their contents are satisfactory, inasmuch as they state that the fever, which had committed such dreadful ravat i les in that Colony, had entirely disappeared not only On the coast, but also in the interior. The ac count; vary •as to the number of persons who have been carried - off by the malady, but it seems cer. ! . tain that bet wren 5 and 6000 persons have suff red, a considerable portion of whom consisted of Ettro%. peans.. The fever had heeti introducedinto the colony by a merchantman, from the Island of Ceylon, and was of so virulent a ch,tracter that the in vitlual died two days after being attacked by it. But while the intelligence from one situation in the East is favourable, yet it• is of a distiesting character from another ; for we find by the letters received front the Island Ot•Bourbon, that a fever prevaid there, which is -described to be of quite as malignant a character as that which raged in the Islr of Franc4r : is i% understood., that outwit h. stsnoing the exertions of the Authoi'ities, %eventl hundred persons bad fallen victims is4tbe 'jiSe3Ses