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OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, Feb. 23, 1 824 THE PRINCIPAL OFFICERS of His MA JESTY'S ORDNANCE do hereby give Notice, t hat they will SEL r,, by PUBLIC AUCTION, at the T OPER, on THURSDAY, the lith day of March next, a t ' E leaft o'Cloch in the Forenoon precisely, SUNDRY LOTS of NEW and OLD STORES, consisting of Ilew Sand Bags, Old Saddlery Articles, Tents, and Camp Kettles, Iron Crows and Iron Sword Scabbards, Blankets and Coverlets, Bushel and Lump Iron, Copper, Tarred and W hit , Rope, Pieces of Gun Barrels, Bayonet Socliets, Sword , itid Ramrods, and a quantity of Cast Iron Sand Shot, rh , whole of which may be viewed upon application at the Prihripal Storekeeper's Ogee, in the Tower, (with the excep t" the Cast Iron Sand Shot, which is to be viewed and delivered at the Royal Laboratory at Woolwich), where Printed Lists of the Lots and Conditions of the Sale, will be delivered to those Persons who may apply for the same. By Order of the Board, RYI-1,1111, pr the Secretary. CONTRACT FOR HEMP. Naiy-Office. March 9, 1924. THE PRINCIPAL OFFICERS and COM MISSIONERS of HIS MAJESTY'S Nd VY do 4 ' 0 4 give Notice, That on Wednesday, the 31s1 Instant, a t One o'Clock, they will be ready to treat with such Per -4.4, as may be willing to Contract for supplying RIGA and PETERSBURGH HEMP, And ITALIAN or CHILI HEMP. r ° be delivered at His Mojesty's Yards, according to a Re tribution, which, with a Form of the Tender, may be " . en at tkis Office. No Tender will he received after O ne Cloc k, on the Day of Treaty, nor any noticed, unless the rtY, or an .dgent for him, attends. EAST INDIA HOUSE, Feb. 27, i 824. THE COURT OF DIRECTORS of the UNITED COMPANY of MERCHANTS of ENG LA_ TRADING to the EAST INDIES, do hereby give Notice, That whereas, under arrangements promulgated by the ~ ov ernor•General in Council, of Fort William, on the 14th and 516th of Februat 18.23, a certain port,on of al! the Pro- Missory Notes of that Government, bearing date the 31st of March, 1822, was discharged on the Ist of May, 1823, and 41 the case of Proprietors resident in Europe, their Agents were entitled to receive Treasury Notes for the amount dis charged, payable eighteen months after date, and bearing interest for that period, at the rate of fire per tent. per ann., directions have been issued to the said Government to grant sills upon the Court for the amount of such Treasury Notes, to all cases in which the Proprietors shall be bona fide resi dent in Europe, payable at the rate of two shillings the sicca lapee, and eighteen mouths after date, with a reservation to the Court of the 'option of postponing payment for one, two, or.three years after the expiration of the said term of eightern months, upon allowing interest at the rate of four per cent. per annum for the period of po►tponers►ent. This Notice is given in order that the Proprietors resident in Europe may communicate directions thereon to their Agents in India, in time to allow of those directions being received previously to the Ist of October, 1824, at which time the Treasury Notes because payable. JOSEPH DART, Secretary. TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION, BY MR. SOTHEBY, At his ROOMS, No. 3, WELLINGTON-STREET, STRAND, on MONDAY, 29th of MARCH, and Eleven following Days, (Sunday excepted), a t T we l ve o Clocic, HE highly valuahl e C o ll ect i on o f PRINT'S, the Property of the late Sir MARK MA STERMA i N C SYKES, Baronet' of Slechnere-house and Settrington, in tile County of Y or k : PART THE FlRST,—Consisting of a s e ries of BRITISH PORTRAITS, from the Heptarchy to th e en d o f t h e R e i gn of William 111., comprising a capital asse m bl age o f extreme l y are and cu rious - Prints, including several unique ;—Beautiful Equestrian and Hisiorical Engravings, by Delaram, Elstracke, Rogers, the Pass Pamily &c. ;_the principal Works of IV. Hollar ; Matchless display of the Productions of that Cele brated Artist, \V. PAITHORNE, many of them Brilliant Proofs, &c. &c. & e , Catogues (pTice 3s. 6d•) be now had of Mr. Parker, Oxford; Mr. Thorp e may Mr. . Edinburgh • Messrs. Hodges and Cambridge ; Laing, , 'll'Arthur,- Dublin ; Messrs. Robinson, Liverpool ;Messrs. Robinson and Bent, Manchester ; Messrs. Longm a n and Co., Paternoste • Mr. Triphook, Bond street ; and at the Place of osier-row ' ' N. B. Admission (wTithimCel day, March 24, to the a o ta f lo s . g a i l i e es only) to View on Wednes -____________ THE DUTY TAKEN OFF SILKS. lIUBBARD and CO. Silk-Mercers to the Royal Family, hare resolved to sell the Remainder of their STOCK with the Duty Deducted, they therelore beg N4Pito a nnounce, that their valuable Stock, consisting of Gros de es, I...evantines, Sarsn e t s , S at i ns, and Shawls, is now to a dy for i nspect i on ; each article will he charged at the o rest pos s ibl e pr i ce. A variety of Shawls, and French Silk Cloaks to be Sold at prime cost. Family Mourning of every description, at the Silk and Irish Poplin Warehouse, 12, Henrietta -street, Covent-garden. This Day was published, THE BACHELOR'S WIFE ; a Selection of Curious and Interesting Extracts, with Cursory Vations. By .JOHN GALT, Esq. In One Volume, Post Octavo, price 10s. 6d. boards. " What's in a name ? the rose 1 ,, By any other name would smell as sweet." td.::!2 WORKS of HENRY MACKENZIE, Esq.; a New A -1 " ,1 , with a Critical Dissertation on the Tales of the lunthor, by J°11" Gait, Esq. In One handsome pocket Vo- St tne; with Vignette and Frontispiece, engraved in the lest I !* of the art, from Paintings by Uwins. ed. boards. üblished "* B. Wh ittak for Oliver and Bold, Edinburgh ; a n d G. an d et, P p.D.n.TOOTH.ACHE AND EAR-ACHE. —,7"'Y' ESSENCE has received the sanc ges in 1 ?nd h, , 4 uPport of the must Disti . ngui , sped . Person- f til'e fi le —n gu"ci to ether with the united testimony o rst Physicians i i 4 bents in highl y res Eur op e, and numerous favourable com er ,Medical Journals, where it has itseen declared to bePtelctl‘iße'st thing ever discovered for the iloshce and Earache." -Lehe " lt instantaneously relieves the „_: excruciating Pain, preserves . the Teeth sound and . firm, t • u ll ents further Deca , y, e ff ectually cures the `curvy ii.i . , .l r 'e_ viertl3, fastens loose Teeth and renders t hem Firm and sr. .„ e able to 1 ooth.., ch _ the latest period, ' Sold • "v7 ' and effectually Prevents the No.. in Bottles, at ts. lid. and 2s. 9d. by Butlers, Chemists, th e ''',,t cheapside, St ; Paul's, and 2W, Regent-street? (near d ; Seio,*.lSYle Rooms), London ; Waterloo-placc, Ed inbur g h v,„. ders vtlillte-street, Dublin ; and by the principal Medicine el, Be the United Kingdom. ach e. '''careful to ask for " Perry's Essence for the Tooth- CALEDONIAN ASYLUM for SUPPORTING and EDU CATING the CHILDREN of SOLDIERS, SAILORS, and MARINES, Natives of SCOTLAND, who have died, or been disabled in the Service of their Country, and of Indigent Scotch Parents resident in London, not entitled to Parochial Relief, Cross street, Hatton-garden. NOTICE is hereby given, That a QUAR TERLY GENERAL COURT of this CORPORA TION will be held here on MONDAY, the 22d Instant, at Eleven o'Clock in the Forenoon, for the ELECTION of EIGHT DIRECTORS, and for the dispatch of other busi • neat. The Ch a i r t o b e ta k e n at Twelve o'Clock precisely. On SUNDAY, the 4th of April, TWO SERMONS will be preached for the Benefit of the Institution, at the Caledo nian Church, by the Rev. EDWARD IRVING, A.M. Pastor of that Church. Divine Service to begin at Eleven in the Forenoon, and at Half-past Six in the Evening precisely. The SEVENTH ANNIVERSARY FESTIVAL will take place at the FREEMASONS"fAVERN, on SA lURDAY, the 10th of April next. Win Royal Highness the DUKE of YORK and ALBANY, President, in the Chair. STEWARDS. The Most Hon. the Marquis' - of Graham Sir Chas. Cockerel!, Bart. Sit It. Towitshend Farquhar, Bart.' Thomas B, D. C. Guthrie, Esq. J. C. Berries, Esq. M•P. Robert Inner, Esq. Peter Laurie. Esq. •lieriff Henry Longlands, Esq. mamas Brunton, Esq. Simon Mc. Gillirray, Esq. Irew Colville, Esq. James Mitchell, Esq. John Drummond, Esq. Colonel David Stewart, of Arch. Farquharson, of Fin- I Garth, K.C.B. zean, Esq. M.P. George Tritt.n, Esq. An ELECTION of Two BOYS to be placed on the Foun dation, will take place at the Quarterly General Court in June next. Applications on behalf of Candidates must he transmitted (post paid), addressed to the Corporation of the Caledonian Asylum, on or before the Ist of April next.— Printed Forms of Petition may be obtained by applying at the Asylum M. S. METCALFE, Secretary. PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS, MARcu Mr. BROGDEN and others from the Commons brought up the South American Postage Bill, and several Private Bills, which were read a first time. The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition from the inhabitants of Marlebone, against bear-baiting and other cruel sports. OFFICE OF CLERK OF PARLIAMENT. The Earl of LIVERPOOL rose to make the motion of which he had given notice, for tile appointment of a Committee to in quire int o th e state of the office of Clerk of Parliament. He did not mean to trouble their Lordships with any observations on the present occasion. The object of the inquiry would merely be to consider what was fitting to be done with the office in future. He was sensible that it must be the wish of their Lordships to do justice to all parties by any decision to which they might come, and he had no object in nominating the Committee but to appoint those members of the House who could most conveniently and effectually prosecute the in quiry. H e conc l uded by moving that a Committee be appoint ed to inquire into the office of Clerk of Parliament. Earl GROSVENOR observed, that no immediate advan tage to the public would arise from this measure ; but their Lordships must be aware that a very considerable saving might take place on the decease of the person who now held the office. The Noble Earl afterwards alluded to the office of Remem brancer of the Exchequer, and urged the necessity of the re gulation of it. Their Lordships, he remarked, were aware that that office still remained as it was (Lord Liverpool said across the table, " No.") The Noble Earl then adverted to the necessity of also regulating the office of the Clerk of the Pelts, and also that the Lord Chief Justice of - Scotland wished that the'coniideration of the state of all these offices might be referred to a Committee. bweie l thn 'h rp e e E sps a eee r d l t oftoefrtlh,teltiVoeki:R POOL reminded their Lordships, that offices of abolitiontlle authorizedxcheq utehr, the e e law Lords which had he tThreettsmur7rhtoismhaakdehweehnatareengeulaastiofnasr they thought necessary in IWitb regard Co the Remembrancer of the Exchequer, tes it had, as lie stated on a former day, been found necessary to nit it on a new footing ; but before it should be finally regulated, it was the wish of the Barons of the Exchequer to ascertain precisely what ought to be done with it, and for that purpose a Gentle man had been appointed to execute the necessary duties, but without a salary. The motion for the Committee was then agreed to, and the Noble Earl proceeded to name the Lords he wished to compose it, selecting them from each side of the House alternately. APPELLANT JURISDICTION. Lord CA LTHORPE wished to say a few words on a sub ject in which the interests of the public and the dignity of their Lordships' House was deeply concerned:: he alluded to the ar rangement recently made for hearing appeals. That arrange ment he had heard complained of out of the House, and he had not heard in the House an y one argument i n i ts f avour, except that of convenience; but, however important that convenience might he, it was to be regretted if it were obtained at the ex pence of that respect in which the appellant, j ur i s diction of the House ought to be maint a i ne d. I t seeme d to liim that there was much ground for doubt as to the propriety of an arrangement, the principal feature of which was the absence of one of the Judges, on whose opinion appellants were accustomed to rely. He was far from wishing to depreciate the qualifications of the individual who was recently appointed to preside at the hearing of causes, but he certainly could not have the same authority as the Noble and Learned Lord with whom the House and the public were more intimately acquainted. There was, besides, a great anomaly in bringing appeals from a superior judge before an inferior ; and though this argument might seld om app l y with respect to English c a u s es, it certainly did as to the Scot c h, since the individual to whom lie had alluded was in judicial authority inferior to the Lord President of the Court of Session. Supposing, then, that the judgment was always that of the in dividual who presided in the absence of the Lord Chancellor, there was this objection to be made ; but if it was said that the House decided, then he would ask who were the colleagues by whom that individual was assisted ? How could the judgment be said to be that of their Lordships as a body, when the regu lation made by the House for hearing appeals proceeded on the stippotition that each Noble Lord attended only one day? He did not mean to say that the regulation precluded any Noble Lords flow attending ; but in fact no others were expected to attend besides those whose names were in the order. This ar rangement, in his opinion, tended to lower the dignity of the House in the eyes of the public, and he hoped it would not be continued. There was another subject which affected the dig nity of that House, and also of the other House of Parliament, to which he wished to call the attention of their Lordships : he alluded to certain of the forms and part of the practice of both Houses. Nothing could have a worse tendency than the re striction imposed on their Lordships's House as to originating certain Bills ; for that restriction was not merely confined to money bills, but extended to those for promoting various useful changes and improvements in which it might be necessary to enact a penalty. This practice arose out of constitutional jea lousy, which might be misapplied. He did not mean to throw any reflection on the other Hour ; the usage had grown up gradually, perhaps because their Lordships had neglected to make a proper resistance in the first instance. In consequence, however, of this restriction on their Lordships as to originating bills, the authority of the other House of Parliament was se riously affected ; for bills came up in such numbers at the close of a Session, that their Lordships had no alternative left but to reject them. It was perfectly evident, that by this practice their Lordships were deprived of an advantage which was due to them—that of taking their proper share in the transaction of public affairs. The Earl of LIVERPOOL was somewhat surprised at the observations of the Noble Lord, as they certainly had no direct reference to the motion before the House, which was the nomi nation of a Committee to inquire into the state of the office of Clerk of Parliament. The regulation of the Rouse which the Noble Lord had now thought proper to attack, was one which had been the result of a long and deliberate inquiry, made by a Committee, whose recommendation was adopted after mature consideration by the House. The course now resorted to was considered by the House to be the best mode of curing the crying grievance of the great arrear of appeals. The whole question was referred to a Committee of the House, composed of persons belonging to all parties, among whom were some of the most eminent members of their Lordship's House, and WEDNESDAY, MAR CH JO, 1824. some of these, from their connection with that part of the United Kingdom most likely to be affected, by the measure, were the best qualified to judge ofits propriety that could have been chosen. After the fullest consideration of the Report of the Committee, by the House, the plan now acted upon was adopted. It was true their Lordships had but a choice of evils. The Committee proposed what appeared to them as the best regulation, and which, after several long debates, was agreed to. The great object proposed to be attained by the regulation, was to do justice to the appellants, who called for the decision of the House on their cases, and more particularly to those of that part of the United Kingdom to which the greatest arrear was due. There certainly was some difference of opinion as to the mode proposed in the Committee, but there was no difference of opinion a s to the necessity of getting rid of the ar rear of appeals by som e means or other. Their Lordships must be aware, that a commission of inquiry into the administration of justice in Scotland was going on. The Report of that Com mission would soon be laid before Parliament, and he hoped that, in consequence of its recommendation, measures would be adopted to lessen the number of appeals ; hut if their Lord ships were certain that the system of administrating justice in , still it would b e n ecessa ry t o get r id o f appeals. The measure was th ere f ore likely to be of a temporary na t ure . At any rate , w h en i t was t S h c e ot e l x an is d tin wasg appear perfect of adopted, the proposal of any other plan would have been readily listened to; but that now acted upon was then thought the best, and experience had proved it to be very efficient. With respect to the discredit with which the Noble Lord was afraid the judicial authority of the House would be brought, he could not see how that was likely to be the result of an evident wish to do justice. As to the objection taken to the mode of securing the attendance of Peers, he conceived it to be of little weight. He must maintain, that whether three Lords or thirty were present, the decision which they came to was the decision of the House, and was as complete as if every Noble Lord were in his place when it was made. By the regulations made for their Lordships' Government, three Peers constituted a Houses but by the regulations of the Commons, forty Members must be present before that House was formed. But was it ever meant by these regulations that the numbers rerluired to be present at the commencement of a sitting must continue until its close, or until the business before them was concluded ? There certainly was no obligation of that kind. A limited number was necessary in either House to set the proceedings a going, and to continue them ; but it was not expected that the same individuals should always be present. Though certain Lords were summoned to attend on the hearing of appeals, it was not to be supposed that no other Noble Lords were present. Those to whose judgment in matters of that kind the House was accustomed to pay respect were often in their places. A Noble and Learned Friend of his (Lord Itedesdale), who was exempted on account of his age, and whose name had not been drawn, nevertheless gave his attendance on appeals. In fact, the proceedings in appeals went on precisely as before, every member of the House being at liberty to attend if he pleased : the only difference was, that measures were now taken to secure a House of Peers. It having, after mature consideration, been decided that the present plan should be adopted, he t rus t e d that thei r L or d s hi ps would give it a fair trial. Lord HOLLAND concurred in the justice of the observa tject, ions wouldl be Lord CA ',THORPE explained. made by the Noble Baron (Caltliorpe), and thought it few words on this subject. It was perfectly his duty to say true, as eg ppeals was adopted, after much consideration, last Sea ttle Nob a leEa w rli o l r iad said, that the present plan of hear_ Lon a ; and it was also perfectly true that the subject was in volved in much difficulty ; but he must, in justice to himself, say, that when he came to consider the nature of the plt - ,n, he could not help saying then, and now, that it was a most cen surable Parliamentary proceeding—one which operated more against the honour and the foundation of the dignity of Par liament than any with which lie was acquainted. The Noble Earl was of opinion, that the regulation worked well and con veniently for those who applied to avail themselves of its oper ation. But whether it had this effect or not, it afforded the first instance of a distinct exposure to the public that the deci sions made within these walls were not the decisions of the House of Peers, but of certain e ihdividuals; and that their Lordships, as to anyjudgmel;t„Ynieh was given, were reduced to the state of mere ciphers. .In" Was the first time in which it Lordships should be called on, n nvenience was the ratio suasoria as well as and do their duty. This pro tthhaetirtipielairces c h b ey a e d dn ia b ni n e g e e., n ,otf determined w h itcehn dcoi pregnant with evil. After more re was assure their Lordships, that it fl th e e ct r io a n tio . j n appeared to him that it would be better even to make sonic embuesttter to app - eint a committee, and en croachment on the constitution, than to go on with such a regu invest it with the judicial authority of the I Louse, than to adhere to a measure which was sappi e e lation d it i ll : gifts' tle respect (Inc front the pub lic to the House. It was certainly tr tno law decisions were adopted without consulting ill, u l\ ! ob L le and Learned per sons who presided, or had seats in the House. Bit that was not necessary. Every Noble 4 -ro was entitled to vote accord ing to his own opinion ; he knew of no distinction of Learned and unlearned Lords,—th e y were all pares in Parliament°, They were all equally Peer s , whether they sat on a woolsack or on a bench ; but now, for the first time, this resolution re specting the hearing of app ea l s informed the public that there were distinctions among them h • -st at it was not the body of the Peers who gave jtulgment, Jut other persons who attended and decided for them. He -new it would he said, that it had always been so—that the decisions; were formerly given by the when Law Lords who attended, b ut when the fact was so distinctl the differenc e w as ver y grea t y exposed. Every an in th country was now inform e d of the manner in which m this busie ness was managed, and knew perfectly well that one Noble Lord was summoned to hear an appeal on the Mo n d a y, a nd another Noble Lord to h ear the continuance of the same ap peal on the Tuesday. He did not mean to say that any prac tical injustice was done to the appellants by this regulation but what he objected was the exposure which it created, and which, as a Member of that House, in which he had spent a considerable part of his tim e , he could not but deplore. In deed, he would not now have said what he had stated on this subject had he not felt it to be his duty to support the observa tions of the Noble Lord, who had so justly described the man ner in which the House was lowering itself in public opinion. The Noble Earl opposite had stated that this measure was merely a temporary ere. He sincerely hoped it would prove so. He hoped that the result of the Commission in Scotland would soon enable their Lordships to return to the ancient re gular practice. The Commissioners would deserve well of this House and of the country . if they were the means of correct ing the. present irregularities in the appellant jurisdiction of the House, and rendering it palatable. As it now stood, its exercise appeared a sort of juggle. One person hears and another decides a cause; or rather the same person both hears and decides, and the others attend merely for form. The Earl of HAROWBY observed, that if the Noble Lord thought the present state of the appellant jurisdiction unpa latable, his speech was not calculated to make it less so. The sole object of the regulation was to enable the House to get through the cases which were in arrear, after which the former practice which the Noble Lord so much preferred would he resumed. The advantages of the present course had, in the mean time, been proved. In the short time which had elapsed since the regulation was enforced, not less than nineteen cases of appeal had been disposed of. With regard to the discredit, however, which was so much insisted on as a necessary conse quence of this regulation, he was at a loss to understand h ow it could arise. He apprehended, that it was not more notorious that the House of Lords met in Westminster, than that when appeals were heard, it was attended only by as many Peers as were sufficient to make a House. The question was, whether it was probable that there would be such a certainty of volun tary attendance on the part of Peers as not to expose the per sons who sent Counsel to the bar to an unnecessary expence. It was, however, always at the option of any Noble Lords to attend, and therefore the question as to the hearing of appeals remained precisely on the same footing as before. The Earl of I)ARNLEY expressed his approbation of that part of the Noble Baron' s (L or d ealthorpe's) speech which related to the legislative functions of the House, and expressed a hope that the Noble Earl opposite, or some other person, would originate some measure, which, without infringing on the privileges of the other House of Parliament, might serve to correct the evil. The motion, appointing the Members of the Committee to inquire into the office of Clerk of Parliament was then agreed to. — The Marquis of LANSDOWN presented petitio"s from Devizes, Calne, and Chippenham, praying for the abolition of Negro slavery. IRISFI LINEN. The Earl of DARNLEY alluded to what the Earl of Liver pool had stated on a former day respecting the removing of the duty from Irish linen. He thought it singular that the Noble Earl should not have been better acquainted with the state of that manufacture; but he believed the Noble Earl was now aware that there was a considerable exportation of coarse linen from Ireland. The effect of the Noble Earl's statement had already been seriously felt, as orders for coarse linen to a consi derable extent had been countermanded. Ile intended to move for some documents which would aftbrd information to the House on the subject of this manufacture. The first was the report of the Committee of the House of Commons, which sat in 1822, on the linen trade of Ireland. In that report it was stated that the evidence proved the continuance of the bounty to be essential to the existence of that infant manufacture. He would next move for a return of the weekly sale of linen in Cork during the last three years ; and also for an account of the number of convictions under the Insurrection Act during the last three years. On a comparison of those accounts, he was . assured that their Lordships would find that proportion as the linen manufacture increased, the convictions decreased.— This was a circumstance which he trusted would 'deter the Noble Earl from extinguishing that manufacture, which was so important to the peace and prosperity of the South of Ireland. The Earl of LIVERPOOL would not object to the produc tion of any information which the Noble Earl might consider necessary to throw light on the state of Ireland. lie had for merly explained, that when the Noble Earl first put a question to him respecting the exportation of coarse linen from Ireland, he was not aware that any had taken place, as no bounty . had been demanded. A s soon as h e ascerta i ne d that the fact was not as he had first su pp ose d it to b e , h e f e lt that it was but just that the same relaxation in withdrawing the bounty should he observed as with respect to the fine linen. He was, how ever, far from ad m itti ng t h at i t was a d vantageous to f os t er by artificial means an y manu f acture. I nstea d , there f ore, of wish ing to preserve this trade, he should think it far more advisable to withdraw the bounty altogether —not suddenly indeed, but gradually, and so as to produce as little shock as possible. No man looked more anxiously th an h e did t o t h e esta bli s h ment o f manufactories in Ireland, but he wished that advantage to take place through the investm en t o f cap i ta l b y natura l means. Th e getting rid of an artificial system was always difficult. In re moving the evil, it was necessary to avoid violence, and it would be most impolitic to attempt to bolster up such a sytem. The Earl of LIME RICK and the Marquis of Dowxsniux deprecated any rash removal of the bounty from Irish linen. The Marquis of LA NSDO WN observed that the reason why little coarse linen appeared to be sent to foreign countries from the south of Ireland was, that the greater part of it went in the first instance to Scotland, in order to be afterwards exported to South America. The vicious policy of bounties having unfor_ tuately been encouraged, could not be rashly withdrawn ; but he hoped to see the day when no such thing as a bounty should exist. The motions of Lord DARNLEY were then agreed to. The Austrian Loan Bill was committed, and the next stage ordered for Thursday, when Lord HOLLAND intimated that he would propose an amendment.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Sir W. INGILRY presented a petition from Spilsby, in Lin colnshire, against Negro Slavery. Mr. PARES presented a similar petition from three parishes in Leicestershire. Mr../. MARTIN presented a petition against the Combina tion Laws, from the 31cehanics of Tewicesbriry.—Referred to the Committee on the Combination Laws. Mr. C. DUNDAS presented a petition from the Victuallers of Newbury, against the Excise Licenses. Mr. BF NG presented a similar petition from the Victuallers of Brentford. Also a petition from the united parishes of St. Andrew, Holborn, and St. George the Martyr, against the Window-tax. _ ..... 111 r. JAMES presented a petition from Francis llott, of Li ♦erpool, again►t the Legacy Ditties. IRISH CATHOLIC EDUCATION. Mr. GRATI'A N presented a petition, signed by the Ro man Catholic Hierarchy of Ireland, and many of the most respectable Clergy, complaining of the regulations of several Charitable Institutions, which were enforced to the injury and disparagement of their religion. The chief grievance referred to the system of education persisted in by the dif ferent school establishments. He thought that the prayer i of the petition could be conside re d as on l y ra ti ona l , w hi c h besought from the House th a t w h ere money was granted for the education of the poor, in places where the re were scarcely any other people but oman Catholics, that their own clergymen, and not those of the P r ot es t ant Ch urc h, s h ou ld h e intrusted with the administr a ti on o f some port i on at l east of generaattentionl and i.r from the im portance, l- sluocrthaigicrea,n was ts. the l'he more entitled besidesto theirts con sideration that the system of Protestant management exclu sively had not produced any very desirable results, and the Protestant schools were likely to require an additional grant this year. For the Protestant charter-schools, it was designed to ask for a vote of 70,0001.; and in the course of 17 years, front their foundation till this time, there had been expended on them no less than half a million, while only 2,000 indivi duals had completed their education in them. He could speak of his own knowledge to very gross mismanagement in the ad ministration of the funds for that which was called the Lord Lieutenant's school. It was his intention shortly to move for a committee to which should be referred the system of educa tion for the poor in Ireland; and he did not doubt, should it be granted, that some method would he found out for satisfy ! ing the minds both of Protestants and Catholics upon it. Mr. GOULBURN, in the absence of documents, contented himself with abroad denial of any mismanagement in the funds allowed for education. He could not admit the prayer of the petition for money to be applied to the uses of the Roman Ca tholic Clergy to bring up the children of the poor in their own faith. It was sowing the seeds of continual discord, and nurs ing antipathies already too vigorous. There must necessarily be a restraint in the application of funds granted by a Protes tant Government for educating the poor. That restraint was the most moderate which could be devised ; it only required a pledge that the Scriptures should be read in the schools, which were open alike to all religions, without note or comment. These condition s had been complied with in numerous instances by the resident Roman Catholic Clergy, notwithstanding the opposition of their superiors, and the parents ot Roman Cotho lie children had sent them to the schools in many places where the Priests were opp ose d to i t . Th e e ff ect was an increasing spirit of union and conciliation among the people. Sir J. NEWPORT complained, that although in the month of July in the last Session of Parliament he had moved for a variety of papers connected with the subject before the House, with the intention of calling the attention of the House to it before the grants were moved for, yet they were not at the pre sent moment on their table; and, as he was informed, no com munication of the orders of the }louse had been made to the parties who were to comply with it till the last month. His intention was to have moved for a Committee to inquire into the whole of the subject, for, undoubtedly, the benefits of educa tion ought to be extended to the whole body of the people, with out being subject either to the reality or the apprehension of its being converted into an engine of proselytism. Mr. DAWSON doubted whether, in point of form, this petition could be received, purporting to come from the Catholic Bishops of Ireland. He contended that the greatest benefits had resulted to Ireland from the system of education as already established, and he disclaimed for the charter and other schools any intention of abusing the trusts reposed in them to the pur poses of proselytism. Mr. J. SMITH thought the reading the Scriptures in the schools without note or comment was a most desirable object, and one to which no objection could be made. Mr. PLUNKETT said, that whatever difference of opinion might exist on the subject of the petition, t lere was no doubt the petitioners were entitled to be heard with the most respect ful attention. Ile thought his Hon. Friend (Mr. Goulburn) was mistaken in the character of the petition, in supposing it asked for a grant of public money ; and his other Hon. Friend (Mr. Dawson) appeared to him to be also in error as to the character of the persons who signed it. It was the " petition of the undersigned Catholic Bishops." That was a right de scription. Those persons were Bishops of a Christian church, and were competent to give ordination as such ; and if they were to conform to the Protestant church they would become Bishops of that church. He said this lest the petition should be rejected in point of form. On the matter of the petition he would say, that he agreed with the sentiments expressed by the Hon. Member for 'Waterford (Sir J. Newport), and he also agreed with m an y o f th e a ll ega tions of the Reverend petitioners. He agreed with t h em on the importance of education, and that no system o f e d ucat i on c ould be safely conducted of which re ligion was not the basis. He thought it impracticable and chimerical to rest any system of education on morality only,__ the attempt, in his mind, was not only useless, but pernicious. How far it might be practicable, from the state of the funds in PRlcr, StVENRENCt these schools, to support teachers of the separate persuasions, it might be desirable to ascertain. Sir 11. PARNELL said a few words: • Mr. ABERCROMBY thought the best results had been experienced from the reading of the Scriptures without note or comment, where it had been practised with the consent of the Catholic Clergy, but he should be decidedly adverse to making • that compulsory. Whenever the subject of the grants came before the House, he would press for some assistance to the schools in the South of Ireland, who had followed the practice to which he had alluded. Mr. V. FITZGERALD thought his Honourable Friend (31r. Grattan) had been misinformed when he stated that the good effects of these schools had not been conformable to the expectations of Parliament. In two counties in the south of Ireland, which were almost exclusively Catholic--he meant Limerick and Galway—the schools had considerably increased. —ln 1817 there were only three schools ; but in 1323 they had increased to 108. He assured the house that there was no partiality in the management of the schools, of which fact the Catholics themselves were now satisfied. He eulogized the objects of the Kildare-street Society, which had, during the last year, printed and sold P 21,000 volumes, at a cheap rate, with the intention of driving out of the market the corrupting trash which before pervaded it, and which object they had in great measure accomplished. - - Mr. D. BROW/NE thought the Kildare , -street Society Would have done a great deal more good if they had not stipulated, as a sine qua non, that the Bible should be read without note or comment in the schools to which they lent money. It was the opinion of several dignitaries of the Church of England, that the Bible should not be pat into the hands of the ignorant, un- , accompanied by any explanation. While, howeeer, nearly six millions of the population of Ireland were separated from the state, he did not mean in the participation of civil offices, but separated by the episcopal government, it was in vain to expect a remedy for the evils which existed. Mr. PEEL regretted that any topics upon which a great difference of opinion was known to exist should be mixed up with the subject of this petition, upon which all Hon. Mem bers were agreed. It appeared to him that there were two great principles by which the education of the poet. of Ireland should be effected. The first was to unite, as far as it was possible to do so without committing upon the feelings of the people, the children of Catholic and Protestant parents in one system of education. The second, that in educating Catholic children, the persons intrusted with the task, and those directing it, should honestly, punctually, and faithfully discard all attempts at proselytism.—(Hear, hear !)—He had co-operated with his Right Hon. Friend, the Member for Clare, in the formation of the society which had been alluded to, and at that period he could bear testimony that every intention of proselytism was absent from, he believed, all the persons connected with the society. Ile trusted, that as there was a general accordance on the main principles, no party animosities would be admitted into the discussion of this subject, and that when its details came to be debated, there would be no interference of any les.. worthy feelings than those by which the ques ti o n ought to be regulated.--( Hear !) Mr. C. GRANT said, he had thought it his duty to inquire into the charge of proselytism which had been made against cte t loil l e i an e ttl,y, society, and that it appeared to him to be without founda tion. The society had even so far relaxed its original rules as h iori;: e fecb p l e hl R t ta i s o eT n ii eTt to pelmit the circulation of the Roman Catholic version of the 11l w iaetwA a lpe s arsse t n: lt toal e ltt r ael i cltdha b ital r tori o igl ttegrego,eiloariodtit lieaccu iotn p uooslftn a d n trtb t ihi l ,veeea r elt e ifrai a i i , l ield . et On the mo tion Scriptures. institutions, e e; effected Kildare-street s ) utrt explainedeebty andSt hoe adoption of one universal system, he saw no hope of such a system, unless it should be enforced by the authority of the The petition was then ordered to be printed. On the motion of Colonel WA LroLs, the Speaker was or dered to issue his writ for the return of a Member for King's Lynn, in the place of the Marquis of Titchfiehl, deceased. Sir J. NEWPORT gave notice of his intention to pursue the object of the petition which had been just received, by moving for a Committee to inquire into the best method of educating the poor of Ireland. The noise which at this mo ment prevailed in the House prevented us from hearing the day fixed by the Right lion. Baronet for this purpose. SOUTH AMERICAN COLONIES. _ Sir J. MACKINTOSII put of;' rslC.lti4lil on this subject, which he last night fixed for Thursday, the 18th instant; but here, also, we found it impossible to catch the day to which the motion was postponed. Mr. SYKES moved for a return of the duties paid, for the year ending the Ist of January, 1824, on blubber and train-oil procured from fish caught by the crews of British vessels ; and also fir a return of the bounties paid to the owners of such vessels during the same period.—Ordered. Mr. EVANS presented a petition from three parishes in Nottinghamshire, praying for the total abolition of slavery. Sir U. BURGH presented a petition from Freemasons of Ireland, praying to be put in the stone condition as the Free masons of Great Britain. Mr. BENE TT presented a petition from Heytesbury, against slavery. Mr. J. SMITH presented a petition from Chelsea, in favour of the Bill to prevent cruelty to animals. Cllr. DENISON presented a petition from Lambeth, praying for the repeal of the duty on coals. Mr. A BERCHO3I Y presented a petition from the mer chants of Edinburgh, in favour of free trade. They expressed an opinion, in which he fully concurred, that the measures of 31inisters had entitled them to general support and approbation- They prayed for a repeal of the direct taxes, and deprecated the application of any part of the public money to the *building of churches, for the advantage of only a part of the community. Mr. MONCK presented a petition from persons connected with the silk trade in Reading, against the immediate execu tion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer's measure with respect to the silk duties. - Lord A. HAMILTON presented a petition from the Nobi lity, Gentry, and Freeholders of the country of Forfar, against a Bill called the Tay Salmon-fishery Bill, which had been introduced into the House as a private Bill. Ile had waited in the hope of seeing the lion. Member in Lia place by whom that Bill had been introduced. Mr. C. GRANT said the subject was under the considera tion of the Board of Trade, who were desirous to satisfy all parties. Be was not authorised to kay any thing on the part of the lion. Gentleman, by whom the Bill had heen introduced ; but he would mention, that, in a conversation with him, that the Honourable Gentleman had expressed his readiness to de lay his Bill, if the matter should be taken up 11 the Board of Trade. Sir R. FERGUSSON said a few words; after the petition was ordered to on the table, and to be printed. Mr. HUME presented two petitions against the same Rill ; one from the Provost and Magistrates of Montrose, order the seal of the borough ; and the other from the Corivenor and Deacons of the nine incorporated trades of Dundee. - Mr. Got7Lnuns then rose; but Mr. HUSKISSON beggel the Right Hon. Gentleman, if it would not be productive oc inconvenience to hint, to allow him to mote that the Report of the Committee of Ways and Means he brought up. Mr. Got:Lnuits gave place; and on the motion of Mr. Iluaxissow, the Report was brought up. • WAYS AND MEANS. The Itesolutions,in respect to the Sugar Duties, which had. been proposed in the Committee, and were now reported, were read a first and second time, and agreed to. Mr. lILTSKISSON then moved the further consideration of the Report of the same Committee (16th of Febtuary) upon the Third resolution respecting the Ditties on Foreign Spirits and Sweets :—" That towards raising the supply granted to his Majesty, the duties of Excise on foreign spirits- and sweets granted by an Act made in the 43d year of his late Majesty; and on brandy and other spirits, granted by an Act made in the 47th year of his late Majesty, which have been continued by several Acts until the 5111 day of July, 1824, be further continued." Mr. HUME wished to know what was to be the rate of these duties ? Was it the intention of his Majesty's Govemmetit to continue the duty of ios. 6d. span the gallon of spirits in Eng land, while it was to he so much less in Scotland and Ireland ? He thought that this seemed inequitable, while it had not riven the recommendation of operating to prevent smuggling ; for if a duty was to be continued in Scotland at 2s. 6d., and in Zlg 7 land at 10s. 6d., it was clearly impossible that smuggling from Scotland could be prevented. Mr. HUSKISSON presumed the Hon. M e mb er was aWare that this Resolution related only to that part of the duty on spirits which was granted annually. The annual chifyy on. brandy' was 6s. Bd. ; and that on rum 3s. The Resolution had no ope ration on the annual duty on British spirits ; therefore the whole h 3. od od od od J. 3; ?5