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conduct of glut tribunal which was now conduct ing the. inquiry into the conduct of her Majesty; 'and he believed the whole of the proceedings to have originated in a foul and infamous conspi racy. it was'not at Milan that this' conspiracy was got' up, but at Hanover. Could any one doubt AphaoEnpteda, who `had been employed to pick focks,- tolcirge'keys : and Seals,'and:who hat been proclaimed a felon and coward4a reftised to meet a gentleman .who had 'chat longed hitn), wa,i 'The pay of'the conspirators? This man, notwithstanding the connection which had subsisted between him quit Jerome Bu6na parte,nothwi thstanding.the Courses heliad pursued, instead of bein , ' disgraCed, had' been load e d with honours anti had received his - baCkpay,which had _before been withheld. 14',orturta!ly for the people of Ilanoyer, they ,had . Vindicated their charter by expressing . the sense enter tained;of• his demerits. Could any ,one doubt, that the. Ministe- at Stutgard, Arlio h^cl offered his house •to; the Princess,, and who„ the moment she-was.gone,- had ruched in with two others: to inspectjhesheets and whatever remained in the apartntents, had received instructions how to act? it, silts .in, this z'ay, by mean:, of rewar,ds, that witnesses had been, procured, an d such-tes, Calmly as *as wanted created.'. In proof _of, This, he:would.,state wl:kt. had : come to his.knowledge -with.respect to the witues4 Sacchi, F..nd,he would read a Iflter which he had in his`pocket, whose name 'he would mention •when lie had read it. ,hearing ,Sacchi, give his - , evidence- 7 froni l)fArivg that : he bud been living in the country for t.liC,he - uptit,of his health, he (Siy'R. Wilson') had thought prober to . write to the gentleman with ii.ht?rn - he had. resided. Sacc,hi had stated, hinisedi_to have been in the receip . t.of . 7o Napo-. leous per . ant,On. On- writing to • Mr. Godfrey, he (Sir -It: .Wilson) had received the following letter • • - _ - In, ur~c.Wrr t , put - letter inquiring- whether M. de Mi lahi---I,ehlitiesir Vohert ',;bseret'd, le ad eviden , been as - SU-chi-dihint_ it. Might be s-opposed , the wear , .r of , it W4l of a ftui;iiyi , resided inmy.hou:r with hi.; servant, if he ILitti uric; - it you wish to know whether it was SO, umd on rtceiceil, I hare to say. that the fact was so';' and that 'the terms were.fire pounds a- wr ek himself . and serraOt.7 , • . ----.llere there was a man who, according to his \oy,n account, had been in the an nua l re c e i p t o f ‘0 Napoleons,, about .601., living in,Engtand at the- rate of .501. a' year. The owner of a ship who ~had 'been examined was to receive for his . 7 scrvices 1,5001.; the ma s ter was to have 1,0001. , - To estimate the magnitude of these rewards, it ; was necessary to look at the incomes of persons .in Italy. A. Cardinal received. about . : .1.4;000 dollars' per annum, and 'one of these wit ,ltes:;es was to receive no less than 12,000 dollars. . Je condemned the proceedings, as in conducting, them,to him it appeared, that they-had been in-' 841ted by gratuitous,. ungentlemanly, and , unmanly, prOduction of the obscene evidence of f fe.Nd against her. He objected to the course 'pursued, because h e h a d 'front 'the first been a4ainst commencing these ,proceedings. The Honourable .Metnlicr for Brarnbtr, and other Tionourable Members, could bear witoess •tbat he had, done all in his power to op.' poie-tht!..inquiry. He. wished to prevent it for the sake of the King•and the country, but at the •saw:titne,he felt strongly for the situation of the Queen. He. pitied her for the misfortunes to . which she had been subjected—he knew the dif fiCulties with which she had, to Contend consi dcring the host of enemies arrayed against her, and knowing as he did the probable effects of na tnre, resentment, and opportunity. He cowi- . dered her situation one of great peril, and had expected more would have appeared against her 4an.had been _seen. ,Now considering - her to be . deeply injured—believing the whole to be the effect ; of foul conspiracy, had lie a thou Sand ftves he _would.sacritice them all rather. than see such injustice triumph and 'such wickedness.pre vait. • . . Dr,PIfILLIMORE was reluctant to say one word on the proceedings against the,Qtteen in the pre sont.stage of The business. It appeared to him that .the Gallant Officer, acting against a sound • judgment and a judicial view of the circumstances, had dragged the House into a cli3cusSion of the ease on an ex parte view of it, which, with all deference, for him,. he. rnust say he thought would have been better let ( alone. He. had,• as it ap. pearett to him, dragged the House into a discus -slot' of all that had taken place at the bar of the other House. He would appeal to the' House if, - he had not even 'gone into the details, and ,to what had ,been deposed by the wit . net,ses, lie,was most reluctant to speak,on.this subject at all., but bein g on his legs, he must say, as it. liras the sincere impression on. his mind, that the Queen wOu s id have. justice ;—that n2ither thatlionSe, nor the other , - would come t o an . unjust decision—would pronounce her guilty • • if she were not guilty. lie would now say no. thing .pf the proceedings: That subject wou.lo b open.to them by and bye, and then it would lie competent for them to discuss its Merits and aemu.rits. At: present : convinced that the Queen • world receivejustice, and considering the present motion as no more than a continuation of that to which-the House had alreaily assented; he should certainlY•giVe it his vote. Mr. Bi..r.Nt:TT was desirous of saying a few. • • words.' pis opinion on this subject was not at all changed-, but on the contrary was confirmed by all tliat had,occurred. Everyman must be satisfied • that, the dangeir, hanging over the nation increased from,day, to day, and that they had no.safety but in retreat.. The proceedings went to throw dis -.grace.iin,--ail the institutions of the country, and if he itere. ; divosed to blame . Ministers for, one thing more than another it . was for this. The course 'which, had been .taken on this .occ.asion, every. man in-this country would have reason to Tvgret tho,longest.day he had tn. Whether the Bill: gakse4.-Iy o not, the ,effect of these pro . .teedhigs .NcistfaxlegradP that Hou-se—ta degrade Oitipr---to degrade tiv Kiug,•the Queeu, and th.e-Country. ..H.e bad no reason to speak of what 'he had heard in the other House, as that which was doubtful, for he had heard it himself, as he might hear any tiling else in a Court of J ustice. He had heard the Minister say, that if the reli- ,~ ~- glons part o€ - :tale column-pity objeoted te. the vorce clause' in the there Would be no -Oh jection to give that up. lip the Divorce Clause',-if the rest of the Bill. paSsed, Was, in his opinion, to. degrade the King as well as the Queen, and to make the:Act declare that ' 4 ' Whereas the Queen was.too infamotis to cont - bete ( neon of Eagland., •she. was not. too ; infamous to be the wife:of the Aing;" This was, in fact, stated by Ministers when they gave up the Divorce Clanse. With respect to the : statement that the House had now been drawn into a discussion on an ex party view of the case, he ',v01. - lid:ask - wh4t 'Was all that had transpired but an cx-p:trie View of thecase ? Had any, thing like it ever :been heard of in a Star Chantber Court, or a Co:iq 9f High Com mission ? No, nothing of the kind had been neSsed,, 'Olt ihs pne Court of uStice, tha.t over .s:•adshav, - presided, the proeeedings of which were speedily followed, by the .terifice of the. Jife_of the Kiog. The charge and the disgusting et:ideoce produced, he considered as disgraceful.to.the At!.orney-Goteral.,The charge which- he had preferred, but tiot made out, he though.: .se had preferred to his own disgrace and to than of his employer (he spoke not or fer of th4t.allegorical ,peo-sooage he kneo nothillej, :whoever be might be. The charg o s preferred- and the evidence adduced were such as to .snake his blood boil with indignation :OA be thought of them. The case of the CroWn was now , closed. The prose.cutors had fieihetl—they had done the mischief—trea.3on had done its worst—and those concerned in the prosecution could go no - further. What they thought they had , proved stood before the country. He gave no opinion on .the truth or falsehood 'of those charges, but which he saw 'arrayed against the. Queen 'that Commission* which was to' call her to account fo'r . every act .committed during six years of her life; and whet; he saw that by the evidence it was-only in three of those year, that her conduct had,been impeached, he could not- but feel that they bad brought themselves into. a scrape, into which be should not have ex pected that wen of, the. commonest understand ings. could .have been , betrayed. - The fearless Manner iu which the Queen had always demand . - ed a trial, and the iray in which that ,heroic wo than had relurned.to ,this country, ,had satisfied him that though there might have been impru dence, there was nothing of baseness in her con duct. He had known persons at th e last i hour Of their lives to deny'crirnesOf which they had been proved, guilty, on account of those with whom they Were . connected, but lie had never known the guilty, to seek trial when they could get off with credit and advantage. This simple principle he had ,kept steadily" in his View, and this satisfied him what was really the case' With the Queen. Prom the beastly y evidence pre dticed, and all the .circinnstances, he felt that a fouler conspiracy bad never been formed than that which had been gait up againSt her Majesty, Feeling,: aS they must, that all classes, or nearly all classes, were opposed •to the - measure— when they found that there was a strong feeling against it on the pa - rt of those that never interfered in such matters before ;--;--that: the Navy and the Army took an interest in' this question, which they were unaccustomed to take in POlitical matters,—it was . for that House to conidEr most seriously the situation in Which the country was ,placed. One of the evils of a stand ing, army. was this, that a standing army was our master. He would say it boldly,. they were mas ters,of the country, and when he saw these holding opinions directly i n the teeth of power and of the. Government, he could not hitt feel that Ministers.were embarked in a more perilous course than ever they ' had engaged in' be fore. He could not but feel that the noUse would do- well, to- escape from' the evil, if that were possible. He held that he had as good a right to comment on the-proceedings of the other House while it sat as a Court of Justice, as he had to notice those of the Courts Of Kitig'S Bench and. Common Pleas. . The eXperience of his own times and theknowledge that he'had of the past, led him to conclude that no tribunal was so bad as that before- which the case of the Queen was pending He referred to the proceedings in At- , terbury's cas e , an d in others, and contended that in these a complete party vote had been given, all the Whigs voting on one side, and, all the 'Tories on the other. This was no credit to' the country, but was really,- to speak plainly, a dis grace to it. in the course -of' the present Pro „ceedings cheers had been beard. : :He believed it was the first time that cheers had ever been heard from Judges in a Court of Justice. No Man had 'ever .heard the Judges cheer in the Court of King's Bench. This, too, was the only tithe at 'which every, - thing Was believed on one side, and nothing on the other, and at which it had been.at temptedto browbeat and put down the Counsel. It was true that the spirit of the, Counsel had re sisted the•attempt, but it was not less . true that the attempt had been made. It had been seen what was the. effect of having 2.00, ludges in a cause from what bad passed in the other House. Should the Bill coa,e down to the Com - nous; it would be seen. what would result froth, having .600 Judges. At present the proceedings had brought nothing but disgrace on the country,,and he thought 'the House, if it saw its true interest, would vote for the motion of his ,Hon. Friend, in order to get rid of the bUsiness altogether. ' lie should support it from the conviction that the dif ficulties complained of were .every day getting greater, and that there was no other way o f get ting well tl h trougthem. Lord CASTLEKEAGH rose,l but gave - way to — The ATTORNEY-GENERAI;.- 7 ,1t could hardly be expected that he, should follow Gentlem€n on the other ,side through the. various . statements which they had thought it right to Make. That persons who, after the Bill had passed the other llouse, would have to sit as J u d ges on it in, this, should come down whilst yet the proceedings were pending, and try by statements, not only of what had taken place, but 'of what had not, to inflame - the public mind, was that for which he had pot been prepared. lie would not follow their example by entering into the discusson; but ~: ,: ~.~ ;, ; , . as ai .- Hon. Goiltleman btO :said of hlm, that his conduct Was disgracolui . to him us Attorney-Gene, nil; he would sa', that it i v otild fun•,`Li een dise.rac4. , fulito hint to,...haye shennk frt•iii - his,iditty,Wltether he had disg-Nt',4o himself-it-AronlA be•-fszt pos ity a lid pi4Atpil qa.F v e4.4 • d'xid t p.',sA 4 ?,, e pre b ' ' gniticd . t be House Arbuli.l 7.g - ire-him ;Wei- io s-i - i r t- . t he should feel 'infinitely more • disgraced by the . . approbation of th•ht Icon. Genkleman than by any • s.• ..- • -•• ttlingWh it h had s t i efoceurred. -- ' Mr. HumE copteikited,,that the Gallant 011icer i,iho.was accused of dragging e the house into this d i iscussion did not merit reproof. ,It,int,tl *en brought beTore 'the . Ilo•Je - by' those `oPpds'A•to ' the Queen. He believed the proceedings to ,ori, ginate in a• foul conzpiraCy, lie concurred With his lion. Friend in thinking that t.he - .Attorrici , Yl • Gencial had degrMled• biles:Al*. Wriieit:ihe said this, he wOuld• ask tho .Atturney,Gefiel'al one ' 'question. Why had he 'dared' to . .' , v2eetise • She 1 4ueen of carrvin , on an interceurse for six years, and then not prove,that She had done so for more than three ?—(A laugh.)-LeThis- 'he • contended was a slUnder on her Majett;y; w rich slander had 'been followed up by the' Solieitor-C. eneral, who ltrd declared the charge oreferred ' by tlle .. , kttorney , Genera! to, be I proved. l (•:‘, laugh.) Though some mig - lat' think that he had been tricked' :into adinis-•-• sion e thata4ultery..had been proved for three years, he defended the words he had used . as bringing the question to •one point , . .- He thought the Solicitor-General had lowered him ' self by statingthe chaige to have been proved. The House Ottalit to fool: befere they de , e • Cideu at;ninst / any thing - that might put a stop to zhese disgitstrul midi infarnons proceedings. By this he believed the country wouldhinnediatelv be tranquillized; and he declared that iflie Were on :....Jury he Would acquit` that woman: Though he - had been the first' to name" her in that House; . on the demise of the CroWn, he had always bee:: . 'cautious of giving an opinion on the inerits•of the' case till the evidence to be prOduced •again s t h er ways made public. As a Juror in this case, he ! Jo _ leinnly declared, before Cod anti his conntrv, that he should deem is his dutyto acquit the accused. Ile• certainly did exi - :)eet that more damning facts Would have come ,out: But what had been - adduced.?. Was there one respectable man in 'England.' or in F.ifi•ope, who had been brought forward-to state one single circumstance of weight ? Where - had the N - oble Lord mid the Right Hen. Gentlemen on the other side acquired' their knowledg of the charges they bad,brotiklit against her Majesty, and which they said were so notorious all over the world beforethey came to their ears ? If they beard them fromreSpe - ctable persons, why did they not produce those persons ?•' His principal objec tibia against the Amendment was, that it went to take from her Majesty that opportunity which' she now had of rebutting all the foul charges Which had been heaped 'upon her: This, if she Were not - prevented, there could be no doubt She would be able to do; and ho foresaw no olistacles that could arise to prevent be . ri but what might spring front this Government... Who ever witnessed the manner in which our Ministers. ,• at various Foreign Courts pos'iessed the power of' engaging Foreign Governments to act as spies, could not doubt their influence itt;obstrn i cting the' ~ ,:- ~ progress of her Majesty!s defiinci.' 'fie had in his hand a letter, whielistated that tier Majesty's' Agent, Mr. Henry, admitted 'by Ministers to be the accredited Agent ofher Majesty abroad, had met with great impediments' froth the Officers of . • Foreign Government's, and had reason to believe that more would be thrown in his way. Whilst' ' passports were'granted without difficulty or hesi-' tation to others, every impediment was thrown in the way of thOse who wished toobtain them for the purpose of corning to this country to give evidence in • favour of the Queen. He was ready to prove that four out of twenty-ToUr of our evidences who had tendered . their services to disprove the testimony against the Queen, bad; by the machinations ,of Colonel. Brown, been prevented- froin coming. He was not one of those who thought that the House of Lords would' find ber Majesty guilty ; and after her proofs,' to rebut the charges against her had been heard, he was convinced aide House would neti'er be - • i•oubled with the proceeding at all. lie Was therefore against the amendment.. Before he concluded what he had to say on this Subject,. he was , anxious to km* whether GovernMent meant to issue orders to cause to be detained all those persons who had given testimony against the Queen. He thought this the more necessary, as he understood.that'Rastelli, an individual who had been very active in.his exertions against the Queen, was.already on his route to Italy, where, no doubt, he was to be employed to prevent the witnesses .for her Majesty from coining to th•s country. 4 This man he Understood was astable- . bey in his, own country, but became a gentle as others before hina had done, 'as soon as he arrived here, when no doubt he lived' . npon the fat of the land, and had by this time hiid by a- considerable sum. If the same fa cilities were enjoyed by "the Queen, every charge Would be disprov e d. Ile could not, how-: ever, list this moment pass without declaring his conviction that th e w h o l e proc e e di ng S in this foul conspiracy ,\“)uld end, as - that house had said they . inust„" derogatory, from the dignity of, the CroWn, and injurious to the best interests of the country.", lle «as so firmly 'perSuadedof - this, that, he.reconunended:his Majesty's Ministers to look to the consequences or their O - Ivn deeds, and to take care how they continued in the same course much longer. What had already - gone forward of these filthy :proceedings,. had done' more harm to the country t b an . ten such Que ens as ours was repreSented 'to be could do. POr the Queen's actions Were so little . known, 'that her accusers were not able to bring any evidance with respect to her' co:iduct . for the last three years, .And:, yet this was called a matter of State, necessity ! So far from upholding the State, in his Opinion, this poi:ceding had. done more to degrade Royalty than any thing which had happened within his recollection. — And the plotters and abettors of it were more chargeable with treason -than any of those who had Composed Certain Meetings -Within the few latter years, which had been called seditioacix, and, for which they had beepunkshe e d • witt l i , death. The 1 ws were equal to" it 'O, and. hNitooKnoleas - 4 y - av* ver sholekbe'lla.Pge' r ( l i, s. aaj . :t klsiN.Vl s.r to - 440 - 14asA.--tEatiP 'jt4ii.)-lot only in this country was this.measure viewed as degrading to Nonarehy, and_p . roduc' :five of, the greatest harm Lbtie‘Ve4eie - a6fun / 1 1 the: lattgehing - stack - zrf..alle.EuroPe and 4-411e-1101r Alliance, that t.igingle-lrornan. -should be able to s 4 c,. 4.r 40 b.:l ce 'titta-Government, - o•tracked , by - !t 0. wihole moans of •Milam He recommended also, to the 1 - )_ , 7-sons -5'116 werce at'the'head of- the pro% ceedhe o s holds caste to refleliNn the'prObable injury key Isere hdliciing..on religion. If, the/ began wite..ithing away one stone of the church# they wet 4 'behig, destruction 'on tile'. wholg _ . „.9 - flu , editice they led the way to 'the-pullini doeee all that expensive estMSiuneot, the churlli of this country. It 'tV , a3 WenttiOV; /I thatTerigi 6l as:d mOrality might te - 'meiritained withont ; a ll tfieseiNenorulaus exponses , , whiehz -attended the 'Oxigting' ensttttitloes:;"i- . Hef re!i , 6thinended- the 13 rshop.S. to lo ale to this-. e.,Peeilile;:—Let thou 'look at Scotland, where they had as nand' mora - rity and. religion, with so' tv'uOb- less e"' pence. With respect to 'the 'authors of•all:t11 1 ! 'mischief t o t h e .co in t t ry ,__ they . need _only wt"' till they heard i'vbat Coloneleßrown,-the Noble • Lord's brother, Sir -Will:am ATotirt o togetio 4 : with others of our Ministers at Foreign Court'; had to say ; they need onlo - weit tilhthev loia all their testitoony before. thein'te see whetlitr the authors , of all, this mischief did riot deser4 iinpeachment. Before he set down, he entreated liis Henourable Friend to . con: ithno whether 3 would be expedient for lln •to p e e s s'hi s . at : f iend' meitt, whiCh . only went to have the effect of de' i Olivine., the Qeeett of the means of rebutting; al l the foul ealuemies apinst her ; and he repeated, that when her defence was linoWn, even the ti:l o4 sceptical of those' who Fall , ' 'an , adulterous lute' eomese in - every motion she made, would - be coil' viuced of their error. . , Dr. Proti,mmonr explained. , . Lord CA,sTeonootott - said he felt it necessar y totrouble .the „House with a few observatioto i though indeed the present di3ctesSion - was'broiro 3 forward on' ground's 'so inexplicable—the argtv vents were so extraordinary—that one could nq tone know well' h o W to - meet t h em .. but 'the ae a Manner in which the• sentiments •of .Gentlemen were expressed:teridered. them •the less:• dang,e' roux; they were roptenant to every fair •toiud', He was quite Stire that - the good sense Of ifi i Country would lead every impartial 'person reject with_ di sgus t a the monstrous tiaaner .it treating a proeeeding no w - un d er j u dici a l i nq uir , ' in the other. House ofParliarnent. It Wios Mal to be lamented' that , the greatest and the ine- i important inquiry that had ever been institute' 'for the sake of l et blic j ust i ce , an d f o r the S a ke ei the character and morals. of the Couotiv, e sbouf" be thus dragged into 'ail incidental discussioo i d that House. He would not dwell on til romantic and judici ous s pi r it which. actuated an Hottourable — Member. that tie,let, when h e rose , to remark on the proceedings in th e other House of Parliament, when . he bl'ono l/ for Ward the charges .of partialitv-L•aboVe ail when lie iniPeached the House of - Lords wii`' having browbeat the Learned' and Hon°, v lr rable Gentle men i v h o appeare d at th e i r N l ' ps. the Counsel of her Majesty., That detd s : ration of the Hono ura ble G en tl eman was quit . ' enough to spew the temper in which those oly 'servationsweremade. lie would turn from tit/ and appeal' to the good sense of 'the HouseoVhi c : must have been shocked and disgusted to thin ; that there were pe r s ons i n this country . w il j could allow flit-1r tempers so to c o nt r oul °.. 0 disgrace themselves. They might attack puh il- 5 measures, but' the' happiness of the public 11 , beyond their reach.—(Cheers from the Opiv s i i Lion.)—He• denied. that th ere was an y grou n d whatever for assuming that the Hoe had e``„ declared itself against this inquiry-thattlt ie 'i Lion, indeed, had never been brought than iss s ; he would. have clone so, if necessary, but it t''`' .. . . it not necessary, because th e p ro c ee di ng e lls-Some J e practical shape' b e f or e 'th e ot h er - b ranc h of tit Legislature—for seeing that it wo uld tay,e t il ', shape, proceedings ' were stoSpended for the e-t t. . , press purpose of' permitting an inquiry in t!` a , shre ,- )0 in the House of Lord ' s; rather than an" 111 ~ . . . , . fs i quiry before the 'Reuse 'of Commons. Sq e r 'however, from . the House* having declared it s e against inquiry, it had, orithe contrary, th r e e ( tunes adjeurned, On the eXp re s s cor it emo ltioli, the proceedings in.the other House. The. f it t oo i 1 and Gallant:General hatpledged himself, th at . the , Lords- should send doWn th e Bill, he vr ci re , do all in• his power to oppos e . t h e - L e gislat e 00 , Hewould, *of' course, pursue' the line of c be duct that he might think fit; but thi s i ol i (Lord -Castlereagh) would Say, th a t it '4O r t ioo not raise ' the' Gallant Officer in the ()pi.' be 1 , of that . House or of the country, if - lie `-.. should fulfil the pledge which'heehad given• del could - not 'refuse the Bill L—he could not d e to b art it might _oppose it, if 'he 'thought fit; , 0 15 discharge the' Bill was not' in his power. I t 11 1 131 q competent for the Peers to send down that „ft and the Heuse would be bound to - dispose v eal :in some .wev or other. iut-the•fate of the. o r would not .depend upon the Gallant Officer' 0 1' the judicious Friends by whom,he was•surrei; D e ed. If the Bill should come down, it sh" lt t li s ' disposed of ; abut it would, he hojied, b e t teJ posed of dispassionately, and fairly decidec" c o' it Wouldnot be decided without any previou s ve er , sideration at all—without 'any inquiry wha,,,7-estl as the amendment of the Hon. M em b er for do minster would dispose of 'it— They could i: clpies so; unless, they ran counter to all "'the pried c) Which gelded' thern heretofore. He (Lor °site, might refe , r, to the state of the benches oPP: 0 10' and ask' us Nether the . 11ouse should'at th it e i st iori relent decide, on• a ' , irave and important q" o de' in the manne r "that:' the Honourable e Ge 0 13 0 , 0 man would_ wish to have •itedeCided?' -Ite Que erif be an injustice with respect to the the a d' a d' whose legal advise rs they had not ' ,R ye vantage of hearing that night. Though z