The Sun. — London, England, 1815-03-08 00:00:00

• on the. ill for teoe% , .-I:ig the Baok Rttstriction Aar. GRENvELL declared the opinions he had forme,i on the gobject now before the House, whrn he .was a 'Member of the Bullion. Com- raitree, remained unchanged. it was, truly stated by the Gentlemen opposite, that in -- the last year the price of bullion had fallen 20 per cent. and the exchanges had been improved in the same de _ pee„- though a greater number of Bank notes were then in circulation. than at any former pe riod; This, however, gave them no triumph over • their oppouent,s, for the Bullion Committee had neveranaintained that the issues of Bank paper wete - the criterion, barometer, or scale of the p; ice .of .gold, and the state of the foreign ex changes, . The correctness of the doctrines they had laid down might be seen in the present. state of the country, when, after a year of• peace, the . paper price of bullion was 15 per cent. belOw the Mint pike, and the foreign exchanges 15 per vent. against us. He was firmly convinced that the currency of this country was now . and had been in a state of depreciation, and .this depre xiation would continue td:irtcrease there was uo restrictions on the issues Of . 3.lank Paper. To avert the evils npav impending over the country, a return to cash payments at the, earliest possible . period was necessary. Anxious, that the country should be again restored to a ,mixed •Currency of gold sod paper, be should feel it his duty, whew. the Bill came to he read a third time, to move an, Amendment similar to that which he had propos ed in the Coturnittee, and to take the sense of the Howie upon it. Mr. ROSE would be judged by any man if the reeasure recommended by the Bullion Committee ' would not have proved most ruinows had it been resorted to at the period which they had named.— The new guineas which the Bank had in that case been compelled to coin, would have been melted down as soon as they were issued. The Bank would have sustained an enormous loss, and the public would have derived from it no benefit. He objected to the Amendment intended to be moved by the Honourable Gentleman, as he ,understood the introductiowof the words,. " and no longer," svere intended to tie down Parliament con- Cutting the restrictions, even if it should appear necessary. Gold had heen 5/..75. the ounce ; it was now down to 41. 9s. lilts price shonl'd again he advanced, great inconveniencies might result from pursuin g ; the course which he understood the Hon. Gentleman to recommend. Ile denied that we bad been a Year at Peace ; we had still to send million of dollars per month to Portugal, on ac count of arrears—we were not yet in a state of Peace with Aroerica, and immense sums had been; carried out of the country by travellers and per sons visiting and going to reside in France.- 7 -- But for these circumstances he thought it pro bable that even now Gold might have been down to the Mint price. Mr. GRENFELL explained.. Mr. flows:Ea was decidedly of opinion the Bank ought to resume cash payments as early as possible : lie denied that any of the doctrines of the Bullion Committee had been refuted, and could not allow this, opportunity to pass without. entering his protest against the Bill altogether.— , The Chancellor of the Exchequer, who had said he expected the measure would not continue•to be necessary beyond July, 1816, - he regarded as be ing pledged, not that the Bank should open at that tune, but that he would not •lose sight of the. subject. It was a mere delusion to suppose that the Bank would resume cash payments if left. to themselves. Government must interpose its au thority, for it was not natural that the Bank should spontaneously give tip the great profits which they derived from the systeth of restriction: Was it not a strange circumstance, that during the period of our • greatest foreign expenditure, and our largest importation of Grain, the price of Gold was falling, and it was rising this year, when oar foreign expenditure was rapidly diminishing every week, and the importation of :Wheat had ceased. On the third reading of the Bill he should propose that a declaration of the principle that the Bank must resume its payments should be intro doted. No one wished - cash payments should take place immediately, but that Ministers should adopt the doctrine of the necessity of their taking place. - - The CHANCELLOR of theExcuzatraa protested against the assertion that we had becii - l2niontlis at peace. We were n ot even no w at peace with' America, since the ratification had not been re ceiveol, a:-.d that war had a great effect on our ex change. The peace concluded on the Continent, also rather partook of the nature of a preliminary treaty, involving subsequent arrangements. The Learned Gentleman opposite had not attentively followed the course of the price of gold. The great importation of Corn had taken place at the •CJId of the year when the price of gold had risen, and not in the early parts when it Was lower, It was trne.that our foreign expenditure was raphily diminishing, but when it was considered. how great it had been during. the -course of the last yei:r, It was astonishing that the.exehange shon.ld have experienced any improvement. It was this which led him to hope that the Bank would he able to reAnne cash payments,. though he was far from relying, with confidence on those hopes. The Exchange had, however, already en,creqtsed.2s per cent. in our favour, and he thought it probable that it would experience another augmentation of kV per cent, Mr. P. GRANT drought it strange that the Chan cellor of the Exchequer should haire brought in such a i3ill, opposed the motion of a Noble Lord for an inquiry into the 3 übject, and proposed to let the measure settle itself ; when he now said is hopes of its being. realised were not very. san guine. His own opinion Was, that the Bank could not resume cash payments without the greatest diiliculty ; - his, hopcs.were still less sanguine than those of the !tight Hon. Gentleman. Indeed he had no hope of the sort, bits expected that the f,ame suspension of co3ll payments would be at tempted, and that, at the expiration of the period now fixed by the Bill, the Chancellor of the Ex- chequer would come dov.-n on a similar errand, though whether he should then recomniind a rein- porzr-y measure would then remain for him to de- terni The Report was then read and agrnd tn, and till' Bill ocacreil for rrading hriNtlay next. MUTINY BILL. The House went into a Committee on the nu. tiny 13111. . • Lord PRoBY complained Of the practice of dis missing Officers at the. will and pleasure "Of the Crown, without brinzin g them to trial by a Court- Martial. Such a preihnivary mode was dictated by reason and . justice, and toanded on ' the prin ciples of the Constitution ; and to dismiss Offi cers without trial was certainly against every prin ciple of the Constitution. He referred to, the most despotic Governments to slew that his ar guments were well founded ; and instanced the armies of Austria and Russia, in which no Com missiolied Officer could be dismissed without a trial by a Coprt-MartW. He concluded by mov ing. a Clause, " that no Officer should hereafter he dismissed, except by the sentence of a General Court Martial." Lord PALMERSTON objected to the Clause, on the ground that .the - Noble Lord had laid no ground for his moti on . Thi s was an inaovatibo on the Regulations of the Army, and 4t wits in cumbent on the Noble Lord to spew some abuse of the prerogative before he could suppose the House would entertain's() important an applica , tion, and his Lordship was bound also to skew hat some great evil had arisen from the present ..practice. He would suppose a case, that, the Crown had plaeed such confidence in any indivi dual as to appoint him to a Commission, from which he derived both rank and emolument,;-- would it not. be extraordinary that the Crown •shonld not have a power to dismiss Without a trial by a Court-Martial, when it. was recollected that the Crown might . have such decisive proof of the necessity of such dismissal as no other Per son could, by any possibility have. ' He in stanced the case of disaffection which, though well proved to Ministers, cOnhlnot be proper mat ter for discussi on b e f ore a Court-Martial. There was also,another case, viz _aaliscovery of incapacity to exercise the duties entrusted to his charge, and there might have been ninny cases where officers had been removed for that cause, which was un questionably a most substantial one. There were besides several °a er cases that,inight occur which it wOuld „be impossible to bring 'before a court martial ; such as suffering an Officer to remain in the army, whose conduct had been such :that his longer continuance in it could not fail to hak the effect of contaminating the honour anti character of all r t round him, and thereby weakening and finally destroying .the discipline of the army, without which It was a mere illusion. This was not a new question, but had been already discussed by both ; Houses of Parliament, and formally discoutitenaneed ; and, therefore, with out some new and strong grounds, on which it might be sliewn to dia- from what had gone be fore, he could not give his consent to any such proposition as that now offered. Even in an in stance apparently most flagrant, where the Duke of Bolton and Lord Cobham had been displaced from their regiments, because their political con duct was opposed to the party of Sir It. Walpole; yet both Houses of Parliament had rejected the proposition to limit the prerogative of the Crown. - He believed that the Noble Lord was mistaken when he asserted - that a similar power of dismissal did not exist in the naval service. Mr. BENNETT recollected the time when regi mental Courts-martial were not bound by an oath, and where punishments had been inflicted which he since knew were not warranted by military l aw , It was only by discussion in Parliament that such abuses and cruelties could be done away. • M. WARD said, that the power of dismissing from the service existed in the navy in a manner analogous to that exercised in the army. Mr. TteaxEY/thought it a great hardship, a s commissions were purchased in our army, to dis miss. a man who had expended perhaps the bulk of his property in procuring his rank. It-was- too much to say, that a life annuity thus bought should be taken away from any man without any thing being proved against hint. Was a wan to be dismissed because it was whispered that he was incapable or disaffected In each case, there must be some fact on which opinion rested, and that fact ought to be proved. As to the other case (supposed- by the Noble Lord), of ungeetlemanly conduct, it was a frequent matter of charge be fore Courts Martial. He then alluded to the case of the lOth Hussars, and said,.that the dismissed Officers had been most cruelly and unjustly treat ed ; indeed, they' had in 'some Measure been driven to become their own executioners, as after the disgrace inflicted on them, it was almost im possible-for them to remain in the service.. Colonel WooD alleged, as a precedent for the treatment of the Officers of the 10th _Hussars, the conduct pursued with respect to the 85th regi ment, where five Officers who had failed to sub stantiate their charges against their Commanding Officer, Col. "Ross, 'had been dismissed, and the Colonel had afterwards been himself removed for not proving charge.; brought against the Major. He did not think that incapacity could be made the subject of trial. Mr. MANNERS SUTTON, in answer to Mr. Tier ney, observed, that Officers who purchased corn missions were fully aware that they purchased them under conditions, and therefore could not complain of any extraordinary hardship if they suffered for the non-fnlfilment of those conditions. Ile should object to the proposed clauses as not calculated to attain the object which it professed ; in his mind, if any abuse existed of such a nature as was contemplated by the Noble Lord, the pro per remedy would be by an Address to the Crown. (Hear, hear, from Mr. Wynne.);--He really did nor see but that such a course was perfectly fea sible. The very existence of the army depended on Parliament.; he did not therefore think it un fair to balance this immense prerogative by giv ing to the Crown the coutroul over all commis sions. Mr. WYNNE insisted that as all the powers of COurts-martial emanated from. the Mutiny Bill, there could be no objection to insert iu that Bill a clause relative to those powers, He could riot agree with the Right Hon. c;entleinan that the House could properly investigate the case of this Lieutenant or that, Major in order to address the Crown in any particular instance of abuse. 'J'hc• state and constitution of the army was so different fr ,, n) Ivas in Oe time of or of (ieorge 11. that no 'regulations were necessary. He must particulArly object to such an anomaly, As that the supreme Chief ofthe Army should alsci, be the Colonel of a paHicular regiment. General Pfflrrs said a few words which were inaudible. Mr. WHITBREAD stated several oLjectians tot the clause empowering Military Courts to receive the voluntary evidence of deserters, under the provision renderingthem liable to transportation. Lord PALmERsTO:Nr, at some length, replied, and contended that the collusory practice prevailing among soldiers, of pretended detection and pri vate fraud, required that some peremptory regu lations should take place. WYNNE referred to the case of Ensign` Cowell, as a proof of the necessity for' a. 09 - 30 review of the articles of ‘var, and of the provi:: sions of our Mutiny Act. The Report was then' received. PRICE THIS DAY Al TV Bank Stock, • 3 per Cent. Red. shut 3per,Cent.Cous. (13i 64 4 per Cent. Cons. shut 5 per Ct. Navy Ann. 93/ 91 HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TO-MORROW. Morning, G minutes after 1. Evening, 3O minutes after I. tu - 4 - ] , SoLENI QUIS DICEHE FAL.SUM AUIipAT ? LONDON, TrEDNES D-41; 11L1 ReH 8, 1815. z. ; The Hon. Captain PERgY, son of Lord BE-• VERLET, arrived this day at the Adtiiiralty with dispatches from America. He came ip the Plan tagenet. It is with sorrow we have to state, that he is Tf the bearer of very bad news. We are as yei int • acquainted with the particulars, but can state, that . the substance of the intelligence received by Go- vernment is, that, in a severe and sanguinary con flict with the enemy at New Orleans, we bad the heavy misfortune to lose both Generals PAlti- ENHAM and GIBBS, who were killed. General KEANE, too, was wounded, and the total loss sustained by the British force in Killed, Wound ed, and Priioners, amounted to no less than about Two Thousand Men. It is reported in the City that the troops were re-embarking in consequence of this disaster, but though the conflict must have been desperate and murderous, we.have nor yet learnt from authority that such has been its residt. Should any further and authentic details trans- I .I;ire, we shall not lose a moment in laying them before an anxious Public. We have French Papers to the 6th, and late Brussels and Frankfort Journals—the former are very barren, and, the latter almost equally unim portant. Bavaria, it is said, is to have Mentz.— The Emperor of RUSSIA, it is now rumoured, would leave Vienna on the Ist of March, and early in the same month the Allied Sovereigns were ex pected at Berlin. The affairs of Switzerland, Italy, and Germany, and the partition of the de partments on the left batik of the Rhine, are all that remain for Congress to settle, since those .4, Poland, Saxony, and Belgium, have been deter mined. In our last page will be found a Report of the Proceedings of the Westminster Demagogues, .and elsewhere Details of fur'ther and fatal Outrages com mitted by the disorderly Mob which has assumed the privilege of legislating in the summary, unjust, and brutal way which was to be anticipated from their excitement. From the latter it appears that the fervent warning we yesterday gave, was, Am fortunately, given in . vain. A Midshipman, an Officer i❑ the service of his Country, and a female lost their lives in the midst of a. body of pernicious and sanguinary Ruffians ! ! Can we pity these devoted Wretches, or can we lament their fate We may ; but, these feelings are repressed by the consideration that their own folly and wickedness provoked their destiny. It is under the cover of the idle, the thoughtless, the curious:multitude, that the really wicked, who we trust are few in numbers, execute. their nefarious purposes. Were .. it not for . the senseless crowd who , follow and swell the train of the mischievous few, they would be innocuous—they thirst not venture to be guilty of their diabolical excesses, defYing the laws of GOD and Man, and subverting all that is humanly valuable or divinely sacred among civi lized beings. Go not in the way of the wicked, lest thy fate be as his," is a precept we would earnestly impress upon the public mind, and we trust we Alan not again appeal to our Countrymen without „firer!, since ,hat appeal is so featfully enforced hi the dreadful e xam pl e t . w hi c h we h a ve 'T WO' ; IVhile we are th us earnes t i n i n voking ev er y understanding, eve r y l o y a l, every mor al 1119111 t refrain fro m a idi ng i nsu b or di nat i on eve n in tae d most distant w a y, we cannot refrain from e nouncing by name a J ourna l w hi c h a ppears to us to be unpard ona bl e i n i ts e ff orts to feed th e flame of poptdar resentment, to stimulate, th e multitude to ac t s o f v i o l ence, to pa lli a te their atrocities,. and to censure that necessary r e ” . sistance ‘vbiolt must be opposed to 0 161 ' 61- ~eroachments, unless we are content to bec °llle ot, the slaves of a lawless democracy. of the very dregs of the metropolis, and surrender our throats to the knives of a legion of assassins. We speak t° THE TIIIIES. Holding nearly similar oPin i°Pg. with that Newspaper on the question of the Cora Bill, we cannot sufficiently reprobate the e vil means which it has taken to support a good ca use ' Good God ! are we come to this awful state, that it is fit for a Public Journal to tell us' as we were,, yesterday told, after noticing the outrageous " lation by a furious mob, of every principle which . binds society together, that— " These are certainly not the arguments by which we would see the Corn • Bill oppose d ' though they are almost as rational as any that ar e urged in support of it ! ! !" Are we red uce d t o t hi s d esperate situat i on , as to render it becoming in the same publication t° tell us to-day, in speaking of the measures take rs to protect the castle of an Englishman aga ius ferocious assault, that " we must be allovol • say, that this mournful catastrophe might prole' bly have been spared, if the military who %v. ere. concealed in the house bad been directed to par a the streets to disperse the mob." - • Is it thus that the crime of the offenders ogn ilisf. the laws are t o b e , b y a v il e su b terfuge aO4 a sophistical mod e o f argument, thrown UP% -those Who only did their • duty in maintabOt' ,these laws inviolate. We can scarcely endure to write upon a n attempt so baSe, so pregnant w . /C future mischief, so congenial with all that O s isj I ,;e e ct• sued from the same, s ource on t hi s painful SO"J- We have made no side attack. We have spec ific , the Paper, and challenged the Writer of these ragraphs, whoever he may be, to exculpate br ve self from the incendiary offences of which charge him with the deliberate commissior l ! But we are conv i nce d t h at no rationa l crew d ture can doubt for a moment t h e ten d eo cf these bitter diatribes---we do not imagine ti ! even their Author will att empt to Pat'ty them. Yet we ha ve h opes t h at th i s open r e m monstrance may check him in hi s p er il ous care e r and in that hope we sincerely recommend to ors ' utmost consideration the following passage O f 1 0 own composition, as w h at h e h as l eve l led at otbe' so very forcibly applies to himself ust ",We grant th a t ac t ua l r i ot and outrage m be put do wn ; an d if t h e c i v il power cannot er fect this; the military must be called in : but it — s 4 sad necessity, and whenever it occurs, it must leav e heavy responsibility on the heads of those by al ° was primarily occasioned." We had int en d e d to o ff er remarks at some l e n r' t b on the cond uc t o f that Political Cheat, a ' I I FRANCIS BURDE TT , th e speec h es o f h i s Yirtticsij associates, the demagogues of Westminster, 111/ the general scope of their yesterday's man oeuvr es: but the press o f more i mportant matter prevehllite us from exec u ti ng our i ntent i on. T he ra bbl e dragged the B arone t h ome i n a hackney -c°3c and remained for hours about his house sheo li/j i : and rioting. Th e H on . B aronet i s, howe vzo 3 advocate for the Corn Bill—he thinks the poP ul % e have not inform a ti on enoug h f or that intrie'ar, subject, and that they are only capable of a de o i standing the less arduous question of politl rir Reform ! Oh thi s i s a precious piece of rntimwe'; and yet the insensibl e asses yo k e d t h emse l v es in tbi place of this Fell ow ' s no bl er b rutes, an d shou tett " No Corn Bill—Burdett for ever !" • 44'6 4 Poor Lord Grenville I—We'lament for tbi s i l c it bletnan that he ha s li ve d t o see t h e d ay in Wb he was praised by BURDETT ! he Two Flamburgh Mails arrived yesterday. i l t ht accounts ftom the Sound are to the 7th, jos and 14th ult.; and it appears that the season r e' continued mild, and th a t th e c h a n ne l ba s. , mained open in consequence . f or t h e purpoe navigation. Letters were yesterday received from D e F lTll hAti of the date of the 47th January. Nothing t h at that time been made known Qo the island wt regard to the expedition to New Orleans, lio r t he any information arrived from the North 01 0 0 United States, of 4 date subsequent to that vy we have already had. of Accounts have becu received from Elsi° e s the , it tlic .14th, stating that the thaw had 4et in, a n , n idht 'roads were c lear o f i ce , so t h at any vessel —„lact attempt the passage of the Sound. We ar c " fi ll -t , o learn that the S enate o f B remen h ave so' e ale prohibited qtly of their citizens t o engage to Slave Trade. WAYS AND MEANS, The CHANCELLOR of the ENCHEQUER' moved, that the further consideration of the Report of the Commitlee of Ways and Means for raising the supply be postpoued till Thursday next.— Adjourned. MAILS. Alum - En-1 Hamburi;ll, ‘Vitterford. DUE-3 Hamburgh, 1 Matta, 2 Gottenburgb, I Guernsey and Jersey. F 1...r.v P.: O'CLOCK. Bank 1,. Ann. shut India Bonds, 6s. ss. pr. I Exchli. Bills, Is..is. pr. 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