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bad been spoliated was not less than 180,0001., and a part of this could not be better applied than in the production, in a convenient form, of the vast mass of documents on which the Indian authorities had professed to ground their decisions and acts.—(Hear, hear.) lie (Mr. Thompson) would now refer to the attack made upon the defenders of the Raja in the Bom 'My Times, and he forewarned Honourable Proprietors that no interruption which they might offer him would, in the least de . • gree, avail to prevent him from making the observations which tie intended to submit to the Court. He was sorry thatan Hon. and Gallant Friend ( General Lodwick) had been in .dueed, by repeated obstructions, to withhold the full exculpa tion of himself upon which he had entered.—(Hear.) •In every well-conducted assembly, an individual who had been assailed by misrepresentatron and calumny was permitted, even when ho question was before the chair to clear himself ; but such was not the custom in that Court. How stood the fact ? On tha first of November last, an article extending over thirteen columns appeared in the Bombay Times, con taining a gross and scandalous attack upon every individual who had appeared in •favour of the Raja, during the debate of July last excepting his friend Mr. Norris.—(Laughter, and " Hear, hear.") Why that gentleman had enjoyed so dis tinguished an exemption, he (Mr. Thompson) would not pre • tend to divine, ceratin it was, that his zeal and honesty in the cause deserved as large a share of abuse as had been. cast upon any one else; but, perhaps, the secret was that Mr. Norris had been a Secretary to the Government of Bombay, and being therefore in possession of the " Secrets of the prison house," was not to be attacked with impunity.—(Hear, hear.) Now he (Mr. Thompson) would be bold enough to assert his deliberate conviction that the article referred to, emanated from the Bombay Government House. It contained internal evidence of the fact.—( Hear.) In truth it was a demi-official document, put forth to answer the dirty purpose of the prose cutors of the Raja. It bad done its work. It had been sent to this country in large numbers to deceive the public and to prop up the Government at home and abroad, and it was natural enough for those whose ;base ends had been already answered to get up and say, " What have we to do with news paper articles." But lie (Mr. Thompson) trusted he should be able to produce proof amounting to moral certainty, that that same libellous article was the offspring of those who had been the most active participators in all the acts which had so deeply disgraced the Government of India.—( Hear, hear.) One word, continued Mr. Thompson, respecting the attack on my , self. It is- here asses ted that I was brought into this House to defend the Raja, and am to be sold] out when this case is over. Let me say that I am neither to be bought nor sold.-- (Cheers. ) That lam here by virtue of a qualification, purchased with my own money, and shall remain as long as there exists any °per es elan to resist and that my part in the defence of the Raja, is . undertaken from a simple and . pure conviction of the entire • innocence of the man. I will say also that the information which I have received since our protracted debate in July, convinces me that the Raja has been the victim of one of the most guilty conspiracies in which a wicked and grasping Government ever en gaged for the downfall of an honourable and high-minded man. --(Hear) Yes, Sir, if it be possible to bring a blush over the cheek ofthose who have over and over again in this Court stood forth as the champions ,of the enemies of the Raja, we shall see that blush upon their cheek when, on another day, we exhibit the proofs of the vile stratagems which have been . reso. ted to to bring about the ruin of the Prince whose righteous cause some of us have deemed it our duty to espouse.--( Hear, hear.) It will be seen, Sir, that your own Government have not hesitated to betake themselves to the use of forged docu ments—to the employment of perjured witnesses, and to the evidence of parties paid to personate individuals about the per son of the Raja. The safety of certain parties requires that the facts bearing upon these points'be for a time kept back ; but 1 indulge the hope that when the papers moved for are before this Court. we shall be in circumstances to lay bare those scenes which are now from necessity concealed. You know as well as I do, that the most material witness against the itaja was for three years imprisoned, and even threatened with death, in order to extort from him sonic confession which should help you to criminate the master to whom he was de voted), attached. You know', too, that this is but a specimen of the vile arts employed to effect the destruction of a man against whom you had taut the smallest amount of substantial evidence. eir, if the Court of Directors are wise, they will make haste to retrace their steps. Think not that you can blind those who have lifted up their voices to demand justice. —( Hear.) In your present circumstances you cannot afford to leave this case unsettled.—(Cheers.) I, for one, tell you that you shall hear my voice, feeble as it is, again and again.— ( near.) I will not cease to rebuke your unrighteousness until the power .to do so is at at end, or the innocent victim of your treachery is removed to that place " where the wicked cease from troubling and the weary are at rest."—(Cheers.) . Mr. Sanostows said it appeored that this subject was about to be discussed again. He would merely say, that there was no doubt that the conduct of all those who had taken a part in the previous discussion had been severely criticised in the papers ; he thought, therefore, that in the present discussion, every gentleman should speak with calmness and moderation, and they should not impute to the Government o Bombay such dishonourable acts as bribery and per jury. He thought their characters were above it.—(Hear.) and when the papers should be brought forward he hoped the matter would be discussed in a moderate and calm manner, becoming a deliberate assembly, and the character of that Court. He did hope, therefore, that the Hon. Proprietor would retract the harsh observations he had made use of. Mr. WEEDING said that, from what he had read, he be lieved the Raja to be guilty—(Hear)—and considered that it was due to the people of India to snake an example of him. • He repelled with indignation any such charge as that the Court was willing to do justice to one man and deny it to another. With regard to the observation relative to bribery having been made use of by the Bombay Government, he thought the Honourable Proprietor must retract such a statement as that, and as for the poverty of the Raja, he (Mr. Weeding) would beg to remind the Honourable Proprietor that he had now 12,0001. a year, and that he was allowed to take 30,000/. away with him. He ( Mr. Weeding) was not very sure that he was not now using that money in machinations against the Government, and he would advise the Government to keep their eye upon him. Major-General ROBERTSON said that he trusted the Honourable Proprietor, Mr. Thompson, would quality his charge against the Government, that they had been directly and immediately guilty of bribery and forgery fer the purpose of dethroning the Raja. That such means had been indirectly employed there was reason to believe.—( Hear. Mr. Tuomesox said he was not. disposed to retract a word that he had uttered.—(Cheers.) In July last he had preyed from the minutes and letters of Sir Robert Grant, that bribes, rewards, personal indemnity, and future promotion, were pro . mised to parties who would criminate the Raja; and since that debate so much additional evidence had come to lightrespectiug the base machinations of the servants of the Company, that he felt fully authorised to state what he had said and to stand by it. He would also remind Honourable Proprietors of the charges against the Government contained in the Bom bay Gazette, respecting the offers of large sums for the use of the Raja's seal, and blank papers for his signet which had never yet, that he had seen, been attempted to be answered. ( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Proprietor near him (Mr. Weeding), had talked of the indignation with which he had listened to his (Mr. Thompson's) charges against the Directors and their servants. He begged to assure the Hon. Proprietor that, had his indignation been ten times as fierce a s it was, he should have borne it unscathed. " Let the galled jade wince, his withers were unwrung.' (Cheers.) The lesson which that Hon. Proprietor was so anxious to inculcate, he (Mr. Thompson) would commend to his own observance, which was, to give every man a fair hearing. He had much sympathy with Government functionaries when accused, let him remember that, to the present hour, the Raja had had no hearing. • While that was the case, let him be silent. As for insinu.tions on his (Mr. Thompson's) part, let it be noted that the, Hon. Proprietor had closed his own speech with a cruel anti unwarrantable insinuation against the Raja. —( Hear, hear. ) Let him learn to do to others as he would be done unto, and not be surprised that, if the measure which he meted to others, was sometimes dealt out to his own friends. After a few words from Mr. FIELDER, the motion was carried. Mr. SA LOMONS then moved that the Report of the Proceed ings of the Commission should be printed, together with the papers now called for.—Carried. CABOOL. Mr. WEEDING was understood to ask, whether the forces in the citadel, a n d th ose i n t h e cantonments, had left Cabool. The Cri.tamAN stated in reply as we understood, that Dr. Grant had arrived in Jellalabad. WAR IN AFFGHANISTAN. Mr. Mosernoateay MARTIN said he held in his hand a mo tion of t he greatest importance,and of the most vital consequences to India ; it was one also which excited the most painful in • e,t in the United Kingdom. There was only one form in which he was at liberty to bring this motion unaer the consi. deration of the Court—it was in a financial point of view —the expenses caused by the unfortunate war in Affghanistan. He had arrived at an unpleasant conclusion as to what would bo the result of this war, from the statements made by the Right Hon. Gentleman who presided over the destinies of this coun try, and who expressed his regret that the vast expenditure of money had not received that attention which it ought to have done. It was even, in his (Mr. Martin's) opinion, the duty of the Court to consider the immense expense which had been incurred, to prevent, if possible, the continuance of a state of things which must end in disappointment and vexation. The motion which he had to present was to the following effect:--- " That it was the duty of the Court to watch the proceedings in India, more Especially when there was a dectelase of income. Resolved, therefore, that there be laid before the Court a statement of the yearly expenses caused by the war in Affghan istan, from the year WS to 1841 inclusive, as nearly as could be ascertained.' He thought unless means were taken to cheek the expenditure, their revenue would be greatly decreased, and the situation of Proprietors of East India stock might not be so desirable as hitherto. Sir Robert Peel the other eight pointed out the practical evils which must result to the revenue by this con. Ritual drain on the Government. He (Sir R. Peel) said that they might depend on it that the trade of India would be destroyed, and the disorganization of Indian finances would be collaterally felt in this country. He held in his hand a statement of Indian finance for the last few years : from it would be seen that the year ending May, 1936, there was a surplus of 1.520,0001.; in the year ending May, 1837, the surplus was 1,100,00(1. In the year ending May, 1838, the surplus was reduced to 628,0001. In the year ending May, 1839, it was only 9.9,0004 In the year 1840 sidt II changed, and instead of being any sniplus, there was a debt of 2,414,0001., showing the expenditure of 5,000,000/. sterling during those few years. In 1841 the debt was increased to 2,334,0001., making a deficit of upwards of 7,000,0001.; and if it had been brought down to 1842. He believed they would have found a deficit at the very lowest of between 10 and 14 millions sterling. Was not that a serious position for the proprietors of East India stock to be placed in ? and he believed that they could not find the means in India to meet these demands. It was correctly stated in the Bombay papers that 15,000,0001- had been spent in that country, and the papers is this country stated it at 17.000,0091., he had even heard it called '20,000,0001., but at any rate, from the statement of Sir It. Peel, there was a deficit of 10,000,009/. • Mr. TwiNiNG wished to know if Sir It. Nei stated that. Mr. MARTIN said that the statements he had made use of he had taken from an article in the " Times" purporting to be what had been said by Sir Robert reel, but this subject involved another question, viz., the continuance of the war. There was not a doubt but that they were at present surrounded with difficulties, almost insurmountable. It was not his intention, however, to say anything which might lead to an unpleasentness of that House ; his desire was that they should take steps to arrest the progress of this war, unjust in its origin, cruel In its progress, and disastrous in its results.--(Hear, hear.) It Was not known who caused that war —it was not the Government i n I n dia, and certainly it was not the Court of Directors at home. . It was not known who caused it, but it must be ascertained who were the authors of it. Mr. Ss tomass here rose to order. The Ow/Levi then rose amidst cries of " Discretion." Ile said he believed the Hon. Gentleman w as in order, but he would leave it to his discretion whether be would go on in the course he was pursuing. Mr. Ma'am said this Was a subject which might be discussed in Parliament at any time in stronger language than he should make use of. There were periods whexpublic discussion would lead to public good, and he thought this was one. This . was a war which no British subject could look upon but with shame; and it would bring shame and disgrace on Great Britain. Mr. ‘VICIttAM said he thought the Hon. Gentleman's language too strong—(Hear, hear)—and lie (Mr. Wigram), fully concurred with the Chairman in his expressions relative to the impropriety of this discussion. He thought it would be much better that the Hen. Gentleman should withdraw his measure, arid rest satisfied with hayin g called the attention of the Court to it. • bir. MARTIN said the observations of the Hon; Director did not street the question. The measure was in itself unjust. If the Court of Directors, however, would appoint any future time for the discussion of the subject, be should be happy to postpone it till that time. . ._ . 31;:H. , me said he thought this was not the time to press any matters relative to the finances of India. He thought it was the duty of the Court to keep up our character in India; and he wished Sir 11. Peel's finances were in as good a state as those of India. With regard to the origin of the war, he thought that cauld not be discussed until the papers relating to the matter were before them- At present to speak of finance, when they were all mourn ing the disastrous circumstances which occurred, he thought was not paying sufficient respect to those gallant men who had fallen in their service.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped that having said so much the Hon. Proprietor would allow the matter to drop.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. SaLomorrs said he thought it would certainly be better to leave out matters of finance till some official documents should be received, he thought it should be deferred till the calling of a special Court to consider matters in Affghanistan. Mr. LEWIS hoped the Hon. Proprietor would accede to the gene. ral opinion of the Court. Mr. THORSON thought it was not fair that the HOn. Proprietor should be interrupted in the manner he was ; he was stopt then by one and then by another ; he might have arguments to adduce which would convince all of the propriety of what he wanted. The Hon. Gentleman, as far as he (Mr. Thomson) could say, was sti mulated by feelings of mercy for them who were living, and whom he did not wish to be sacrificed as their predecessors had been. But " Man never is but always to be blest," and so Ph this Court they always v ere to be, but never were allowed to discuss the ques tion.—(Cries of `• Question," and " Chair.") The CHAIRMAN said there yip no question before the Court. Mr. MARTIN said he hid :a great deal of information on the subject, which might have induced Hon. Gentlemen to have agreed to his motion. Under the circumstances, however, he was willing to withdraw it. Sir J. CAMPBELL said that as what had fallen from the HOD. Proprietor relative to the payment of dividends on stock might create some alarm in the breasts of those who were unacquainted with the matter, he beggel to say that the Company were by no means in so disastrous a state as had been implied.—(Hear.) He had thought it right to say this, that what the Horr Proprietor had said might not go forth uucontradicted.—(Hear, hear.) He believed the dividends were just as safe as ever they were. Mr. WEEDING rose to call attention to a point of form. Tho Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Martin) had risen for the purpose of giving notice of a motion ; lie theti made a long speech on that motion; now he ( Mr. Weeding) wished to know whether in givlog notice of a motion, one had any right to enter into its merits. After a few words from Mr. WICRL/d, who thought that the Hon. Proprietor had pursued a correct course in this instance, inas. muds that he had given notice of his motion to the Directors. Mr. SALOMONII gave notice that at the next Court he should move that there be laid before the Court an estimate of the ex. penses of the war up to December, 1641; also a statement of tha loan raised in India, and rate of interest paid on it. BATTA. Mr. HUME said that he had heard that the 52d Regiment in In dia had been deprived of their half batta. He wished to know if that was the case. He thought this was a time to preserve good humour and cheerfulness amongst the soldiers. The CHAIRMAN said there was no truth whatever in the state• ment.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. flusix then gave notice that he should move at the next meeting for a copy of the orders of Government, respecting the withdrawal of the half.batta. DISPOSAL OF PROPERTY SENT TO THIS COUNTRY. Mr. PALMER wished to know what had become of two pictures whicn had been sent as a presant by the King of Oude, to King William and his Royal Consort ; as also two diamond necklaces, and other property of considerable value. He had understood that part of that property had been sold on the Ist of May last. He should be glad to learn by whose orders that was done, and what had become of the proceeds. The CHAIRMAN said that as the Hon. Proprietor had not given notice of his question, be was not prepared to answer it. The Court then adjourned at Half.past Four o'clock. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS, MARCH 23. The Lon], CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool sack shortly after Four o'clock. CORN-LAWS AND SUFFRAGE. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from 1,300 inhabitants of SWansea, praying for a repeal of the Corn , - laws and Univeisal Suffrage. COURT o.e' CHANCERY. • • The NOBLE and LEARNED LORD then moved for cer tain returns relating to the arrears in the Court of Chancery, and said that he supposed that in consequence of the recent alterations in the Court of Chancery, the amount of the arrears must have materially decreased since the last return. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the Vice- Chancellors were now hearing causes which had been set down for hearing since Christmas last He believed many of them had been only set down for hearing within the last six weeks. Unless some arrangement were made one of the Vice-Chancellors would nut have any cause to hear in a couple of days. ROYAL COMMISSION. The Royal Assent was given by Commission to the Consolidated Fund Bill, the West India Clergy Bill, the Regulation of Apprentices' Bill, the Loan Societies' Bill, the Newgate Gaol (Dublin) Bill, and Nutford'S Divorce Bill. The Lords Commissioners were the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Lord Chancellor, and Lord Wharncliffe. SOUTH EASTERN RAILWAY BILL. On the motion of Lord WHARNCLIFFE, the South Eastern Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. MIDLAND COUNTIES' RAILWAY BILL. The Midland Counties'Aiilway Bill was read a third time and passed. Several private Bills were forwarded a stage. EASTER RECESS. - On the motion of Lord WHARNCLIFFE, their Lordships then adjourned to Thursday, the 7th of April next. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MARCH 23. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'Clock. CHESTER ROADS. On the motion of Mr. W. YOUNG the Chester Roads' Bill was brought in and read a first time. NORFOLK ROADS. On the motion of Mr. LOCKHART, the Norfolk Roads' Bill was brought in and read a first time. KIRKINTILLOCH RAILROAD. The KirkintiLloehßailroad Bill was nada second time. STANHOPE AND TYNE RAILWAY. Mr. HUTT presented a petition in favour of the Stan• hope and Tyne Railway Bill ; also a petition from the same parties in favour of the Durham Junction Railway Bill. LONDON AND GREENWICH RAILWAY BILL, Mr. BARNARD brought up the Report of the Com mittee on the petition for the London and Greenwich Railway Bill ; and the Bill was brought in and read a first time. CROYDON RAILWAY. The HON. MEMBER then presented a petition, signed by Mr. Dyson, on behalf of the London and Greenwich Railway Company, against the London and Croydon Railway Bill. WARTIIWORTH HARBOUR. BILL. The Warthworth Harbour Bill was brought in and read a first time. BELFAST AND CAVE HILL RAILWAY. The Belfast and Cave Hill Railway Bill•was brought in and read a first time, CLERKENWELL IBLPROVEMENT Mr. T. DUNCOMBE brought in i the Clerkenwell Im provement Bill, which was read a first time. NOTTINGHAM GAS. The Nottingham Gas Bill was read a third time, and passed. LINCOLN ROADS. Colonel SIBTIIORP brought in the Lincoln Roads' Bill, when it was read a first time. STALEY BRIDGE GAS. -On the motion of Mr. T. EGERTON. the Lords' Amendments to the Staley Bridge Gas Bill were agreed to. LEEDS IMPROVEMENTS' BILL. Mr. W. BECKETT brought in the Leeds Improve ments' Bill, which was read a first time. KILMINGTON -INCLOSURE. The Kihnington Inclosure Bill was read a second time. BRISTOL AND GLOUCESTER RAILWAY. Mr. GREEN presented a petition from the Gloucester and Birmingham Railway Company, against the Bristol and Gloucester Railway Bill, which was ordered to be referred to the Committee. READING CEMETERY. The Hoic MEmnEn likewise presented a petition from the Vicars of Reading against the Reading Cemetery Rill. WEYMOUTH ELECTION COMMITTEfi. Mr. PATRICK MAXWELL STEWART brought up a Report from the Weymouth Election Committee, asking for permission to adjourn from Thursday next to Wednesday. The Hon. Member then moved that leave be.granted to the Committee on the Weymouth Election to adjtuarn from Thursday next, till • Monday the 28th day of March. After a few words from Lord GRANVILLE SOMER SET, the motion was agreed to. NATIONAL EDUCATION (IRELAND.) Mr. FFOLLIOTT presented a petition from Sligo against the system of National Education in . Ireland, and praying for support to the schools of the Church Educational Society. Mr. CORRY presented a petition from Tyrone to'the same effect. PRESBYTERIAN MIXED MARRIAGES. The HoN. MEMBER likewise presented a petition from the same county, praying the House to legalise Presby terian Mixed Marriages. EXPORT DUTY ON COALS. • Mr. ORD presented a petition from Newcastle-upon- Tyne against the proposed export duty on coal. ROYAL COMMISSION. The Gentlemen Usher of the Black Rod then ap peared, and summoned the House to the Bar of the House of Peers, to hear the Royal assent giveit by Com mission to certain Bills. The SPEAKER, accompanied by several Members, then left the House, and proceeded to' the Bar of the House of Lords for that purpose. The SPEAKER shortly afterwards returned and in formed the House that the Royal assent had been given by Commission to several Bills.—(For which see Lords' Report.) Mr. SHAW presented petitions from Myddleton, and other places in the county of Cork, against the National Education system in Ireland. Mr. 'l'. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from an individual in the metropolis against the proposal of imposing direct taxation of parties who were not repre sented in that House, inasmuch; as they did not possess the electo► - al franchise. Dr. BOW.RING presented a petition, signed by up wards of 800 inhabitants of Rothsay, in the Isle of Bute, praying fur a repeal of the Corn-laws, free trade and a full and fair representation of the people in Par liament. Mr. lIUTT presented a petition from the ship-owners of Hull against the proposed duty upon coals. Sir HOWARD DOUGLAS presented a petition to the same effect ; also, a petition against the proposed alteration in the duty upon coffee. Mr. JOHNSTON presented five petitioms from' places in Chester, Lancashire, and Yorkshire, pra.ying for a-re peal of the Corn-laws. Mr. BARRY BALDWIN presented pvtitions from places in the county of Down and the minty of An trim, praying for a continuance of the protection to the millers of Great Britain and Ireland. THE SUM LONDON, :TRURSDAY MORNING. MARCH 94, 1842. I Mr. GIBSON CRAIG presented a petition from Swansea,:praying for a repeal of the . Corn-laws, Vote by , Ballot, and an Eitension of the Franchise. Mr. HAWES presented:a petition from an individual in Birmingham, praying for the total abolition of tithes. Mr. WAKLEY presenfed a petition from Archdeacon Bathurst, complaining that no measure had been brought in by her Majesty's Government for the settlement of the question of Church-rates, and suggesting three modes of -effecting that object ; first, by the entire abolition of Church. rates, and the establishment of the voluntary principle ; secondly, by levying Church-rates for reasonable repairs ; Sand, thirdly, by enabling the parishioners to ascertain the. necessary amount an nually, and paying •it out of the Treasury. The Hon. Member also presented a petition from the journeymen cOrk-cutters of Edinburgh and Leith, stat ing that, by the propotied reduction of duty on foreign corks, they would be completely ruined ; and, as no person had complained , of the old duty, they entreated that - that part of the new tariff might not be adopted. The Hon. Member also presented a petition from Stephen Gill, architect, residing in the New-road, complaining of the defective state of the present regulations wins respect to buildings, and requesting to be examined in Committee on the subject. The lion. Member also presented a petition from Alexander Brady, of the parish of Clerkenwell, complaining of the practice of making long speeches on almost every motion submitted to the House. The petitioner` said that those speeches had never conferred any benefit upon him, and he questioned if they had conferred any benefit upon the public. He thought it very desirable that some rule should be adopt ed for remedying the evil, and would suggest that no member should be allowed to speak on any subject for a longer period than twenty, minutes.- —(Loud laughter.) The Hon. Member also presented a petition from twenty one journeymen smiths 'in the parish of St. George's Bloomsbury, praying for a total and immediate repeal of the duties on the importation of foreign corn ; and also a petition from James Gill, of Edinburgh, complaining of the practice in the Court of Sessions of Scotland of giving decrees to prisoners in the absence of the defenders. Mr. O'BRIEN presented a petition froth the'eounty . of Down, praying that her Majesty's Government would, direct their attention to the reclaiming of waste lands. Lord SANDON presented a petition from the Mem bers of a Literary and scientific Society in Liverpool,- calling the attention of the House to the burden under which literary and scientific institutions laboured in being subject to the window-tax, if they had a person within the walls for the purpose of taking charge of their pro perty ; they, therefore, prayed that the House would take measures for the exemption of such institutions from local and assessed taxes. The second readings of the Lunatic Asylums' Bill, and the Bonded Corn Bill, which were fixed for toinerrow, were postponed till after the recess. ERRORS IN THE TARIFF. Mr. HAWES, seeing the Right Hon: the . Vice-Pre sident of the Board of Trade in his place, begged to call his attention to the subject of a conversation which took place the other evening across the table,.relating.to the typographical errors which had found their way into the printed copies of the amended tariff. Those errors hid occasioned great uncertainty, and no small anxiety, in different branches of trade, as it was impossible to know in what respects the intended duties were correctly stated, and in what instances they were printed erroneously. Ile, begged to ask, when did the Right Hon. Gentleman expect to let, the public have a correct copy ? Ho thought the country waa entitled to have the correct information as early as possihle. Mr. GLADSTONE would • venture to say that no unnecessary delay should take place.-L-(llenr.) He was exceedingly anxious that ne time should be lost in correcting' the errors of the tariff, both those that were merely typographical, and those which had been, committed by the framers of the tariff themselves; and he was confident that the corrections Would be made during the recess. It was certainly impossible to make the amendments without great consideration ; but he fully expected that the approaching Easter - recess would be sufficient to enable him to have a correct copy of the tariff in the hands of Members. TIMBER DUTIES. Mr. PATRICK M. ST WART wished to put a ques tion to the Right Honourable Baronet, the First. Lord of the Treasury, respecting the ' proposed ' duties, on colonial and other timber, and he considered the inh ject of his question one of great importance, not. only to those engaged in the timber trade, but to the public at large. The Right Hon. Baronet was probably aware that there never was so large a stock of duty-paid. timber in London as at this moment—(Hear, hear) and in the Clyde, with 'which he *as more immediately connected, there was a very large stock on which the duty had been paid. He had had an interview with some of the holders of that stock this day, and they informed him that they were induced to take a large quantity •on hand, because they thought they were sure of the differential duty remaining unaltered; and it was not the custom to bond Canadian timber. The question which he wished to ask was, whether it was the intention of the Right Hon. Baronet to relieve those parties, either by a remission or drawback of the duty, or by giving them time to get rid of that stock before the alteration of the duty came into effect. Sir R. PEEL had received communications to the same effect, as to the peculiarly large amount of timber, which had paid duty, and was at present on hand. The Honourable Gentleman mentioned one cause of that accumulation. But probably there was another. 'the intention last year anntunced by the 1 Noble Lord opposite (Lord John Russell) to impose a duty of 245. per load upon Canadian timber, led those persons to speculate in taking in a large stock, with the hope of escaping the duty. If the duty had been raised in the meantime, as they expected, the increase would not be levied upon that timber.— (Hear, and a laugh.) The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Stewrt) asked whether it was his (Sir R. Peel's) intention to allow a drawback on the duty paid ? His answer was—Most certainly not.—(Hear, hear.) 'There had been before this a system of drawback in the Customs which ope rated as a warning against extending it to any new ar.lingement of Customs' duties.—(Hear, .hear.) Be (Sir B. Peel) had pretty good reason to know what were the difficulties which attended - commercial reforms. He had received communications from several timber merchants, to the effect that trade was so muchdepressed that there was no demand for timber, and reductiona of price had taken place to the amount of 4d. or sd. per load— that even with that sacrifice it was impossible to sell Ca nadian timber. Now his answer to that was, that they should look for a remedy in the general improvement of trade which the reduction,of duties would effect. Ho had no intention of allowing a drawback, but he would give . a greater interval before the operation of the new duties than he had at first contemplated. Although the ..va rious articles of the tariff did severally occupy the atten tion of all the confidential advisers of the Government connected with the Customs, yet it was impossible, in such large reforms, that the arrangements could be completed at once, and exactly adjusted, in respect to all. As to Baltic timber, all the communications which he had received showed the importance of the intended reform.—(Hear, hear.) But he was perfectly convinced that colonial timber could hold its ground.in the market under the new duties.—(Hear, hear.) He repeated, that he would not allow a drawback, but that he would give as long an interval as would be consistent with the interest of the consumer. He would do his best to repair cases of individual wrong, but he looked to the general improvement of trade as the surest Paeans of remedying the inconvenience complained of by those merchants. to add, that he had not, on any former occasion, expressed an opinion on the matter. He had said that there bad been of late a considerable increase in the spirit duty in Ire land, but he dared say that the spirits were taken with a due regard to temperance.—(Laughter.) CHURCH EXTEN Mr. HAWES begged leave to ask the lion. Baronet, the Member for the University of Oxford, whether he intended to bring forward at an early day his motion on the subject of Church Extension? Sir H. INGLIS said that he had stated, on a former - occasion, that it was his intention to call the attention of the House to the subject after Easter ; but he could net say whether he would be enabled to do so at an early period. He would, however, fix a day as soon as he might find convenient, and he would give the lion. Member and the House due notiee on the subject. On the Order of the Day for. the second reading of the Public• House Bill being moved, Lord .MAIION said he would not object to the Order `beinglixed for another day, provided he had sufficient notice ; but he could nut consent to the second reading on that occasion. The Order of the Day was iten postponed. In reply to a question from Mr. FOX MAULS, with respect ,to Turnpike Acts, Sir J. GRAHAM said he had given notice a few days ago of the intention of her Majesty's Government to introduce a general Turnpike Act ; and that measure of course countervailed the operation of any present Acts in relation to turnpike roads. - • • • Mr. W.AR'LLY said, probably there would be no ob jection to the Pubiic-house Bill being read • a second time' on that occasion, as it did not appear to be opposed. sir JAMES GRAHAM said as that measure inter fered with the authority of the Police Commissioners, it had been submitted to their inspection, and the Report of the Commissioners had not yet been received. Mr. WAKLEY thought that it would be a great ad vantage if that measure could be advanced one stage. COPYRIGHT BILL. Sir R. PEEL, in moving that the order of the day be read, asked liis Noble Friend (Lord Mahon) to postpone the committal of the Copyright Bill in order to give hiM (Sir R, Peel) an opportunity of brin g ing forward his re strictions relative to the income tax in the Committee of Ways and Means. Lord MAHON felt great reluctance at postponing his measure, becauie he was aware that on former occasions the postponement of it would lead to its defeat. Nevertheless, considering the importance of the measure of his Right lion. Friend, he would not bring on any discussion. He hoped, however, he might be permitted to hove the Bill committed, - pro -fernia,r to enable him to move that it be' re-committed, when he intended to introduce several amendments and have the Bill reprinted ; and if the *use would consent to that plan, he would tix an early day after Easter for thediscussion.., ) • Lord JOHN RUSSELL. was favourable to the gene ral.';ohjects, of the anfan <suggested to the Noble Lord- . the "•: propriety of entering into communication with those interested,-nn the subject, so as to obviate Jumpy of the 4Ajectiorts which had ligetofore, been made to measures o'ra Attlee. ;.3a • Lord MAHON had already enter / Viito several com munications witti•interested parties; and he trusted that the prescnerif6asure was more iree from Objection than any that had hitherto been broughC Forward on the subject, • .. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS.' .Mr..WILLIAMS asked why the .revenue accounts-of the Duchy of Lancaster. for the—past year, which had been laid.on the table of the Honse,..had not yet been printed; and why the revenue itecounts.of the Duchy of Cornwall had not yet been laid'ontheitable? _ Sir G. CLERK said, the Duchy' of Latfettster accounts had been referred to 'the Printing Committee, I, ho had rted . , not yet rep, on them , . and thedelay , m the presenta tion of 'thb Duchy of . Cornwall accounts had been .occasione'd by the alterations , rendered necessary them, in consequence of the birth of his Royal Highness the . Prince of Wales. He hoped, however,' to be able to - lay thoie - accounts on the table tholirst.day after the ]aster, recess. Mr. WILLIAMS.said that there had been no account printed of balances and arrears in:i.the.. hands of G overn ment officers since the year 1830. He wished to know 'if the Right - Hoit Gentleman proposed presenting any such return for the present year? Sir G.. CLERK said, that the return of the names of. officers. haVing *ears and balances in their hands on any. particular day would consist principally of the names of. the deputpposteuasters... These accounts had not been printed, because they had: been considered as useless. lithe Ilon. Member eltiise..fto, mo_velor them for the present year, he would not object. Mr. WILLIAMS thought that as those accounts had not been printed for the last ten years, it was desirable that the account for the last year should be printed. - COPYRIGHT BILL. The Copyright Bill was then committed pro forma, and ordered to be re-committed on the 16th April. EXCHEQUER BILLS BILL. Mr. C. BULLER wished to ask the Right Ho nourable Baronet what course he intended .to pursue with regard to , the Exchequer Bills Bill '? He believed there was no difficulty about the Bill ; the discussion' would be very short; and it was not fair to the holders of Exchequer bills to delay, from day to day, the appointment of a Committee to inquire into their claims. Sir H. PEEL said that he understood that the late Solicitor-General had intended to introduce some amendments into the Bill regarding certain legal questions that might .be likely to ;trite. No unnecessary delay had occurred in passing the mea sure ; the House had sat .night after night until nearly two o'clock in tile - morning —(Hear, hear)— and there had been no opportunity adiscussing those amendments - to which the late Solicitor-General attached great importance. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for WorceSter wished to in troditcpcertain amendments. The discussion wo u ld be but short, and.he , thought the best way would be to fix an early hour On seine particular day fur the diseussion. lie wished to ask another question with respect to the Act that had so often been referred to, the Act of 1806. As the Right Hon. Baronet had relied on that Act for the. chief Machinery for raising the income tax, and as that Act had been repealed, it would be very desirable that the Honse should be enabled to see what the general machinery of that Act as. lie therefore wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronetif he had any objection to print ing thut.A4in a separate form, for the use of Members of that House ? _ _ Sir R. PEEL said he should not have the slightest objection to move that the Act referred to should be printed. EXCIIEQUER BILLS. Sir R. INGLIS asked ;Alen the Exchequer Bills Bi. Would be proceeded with ? Sir RO.BERT PEEL said, with respect to the Ex chequer bill inquiry, it was a peculiar case. With reg43ect to the Exchequer bills' Bill, he could not do better than propose that the Bill should come on at five o'clock on Monday fortnight, in the hope that be should then be able to proceed with other questions. INCOME TAX. MiALEWITT then rose, and said' he bad at last got an opportunity of asking the attention of the House ; be still thought, as he did on Monday last, that the proposed income tax was being pressed on with indecent haste, and that the Right Hon. Baronet was only relying on his majority in that House to carry a tax upon which the people had no opportunity of expressing their opinion. He really thought the Right lion, Baronet was proceeding •against the principles and c,onstitution of the Rouse. He un derstood that .the .object of a Committee of Ways and Means was to raise money for the purpose of supply ; but the object of the income tax was to rids() money for taxes which the Right Hon. Baronet was going to take otf.. Being of the opinion that the measure. was pressed for ward with indecent haste, he would move that the ,Order of the Day on Public Works be read.—(oh, oh.) The SPEAKER said the Ord&is of the 'Day should be taken in regular succession. 'The questicifi'*asi—that he, should leave the Chair;and it would i)ot be in accord ance with nsage .to take another Order of: Day into consideration. Mr. BLEWITT, then, would ~beg to move that the tariff be considered before thoy , :prometb:d with the in come tax.--Laughter., The SPEAKER said that would not be a regular course. Mr. BLEWITT—May he beg to know why it was not usual?—(Continued laughter.) ' The SPEAKER explained. ~ . ~. '.., The question that the. Speaker do leave the Chair was then put, •and agreed to amid considerable laughter. . The House, then went into u ,, Connuittee of Ways and Means, Mr. GREENE in the Chair. • INCOME TAX. The resolutions of the Committee having been read, Lord R. GROSVENOR said he felt how ill-qualified he was to engage the attention of the House on the all important question which now engaged its attention. He would not have ventured to, intrude on the 149nse at all, did he not feel that he entertained opinions on the' sub ject different from those of all the speakers,who preceded him, and it was on that account that he solicited gie in dulgence of the House while he endeavoured briefly to state the course he meant to pursue. The case of the Right Hon. Baronet was; he believed, that in consequence of the deficiency in the revenue, as compared with the expenditure, and the abSolute necessity that existed of devising some means to:, raise the revenue to the amount required 'for exigencies of the State ; that on account of the disturbed condition of our Indian posses sions, and also' of our relations with China ; and besides, by reason of the alteration whiCh her Majesty's Government contemplated ma ki ng in the commercial tariff; and, moreover, in conse quence of its not appearing practicable to raise any considerable amount of reveit.3 from lowering the taxes on article's of consumption ; that for all those reasons, recourse must be had to direct taxa tion, and of all other Modes of taxation none seemed so -likely - ; • 'to operate successfully- as ~,t an lucerne tax, which it was p ro p osed . to . 7 'l4Psi4 # the rate of 7d. in -the- pound. He was aw4re.. that in • addition to this ' tax; it was intended ,to 'lay on an additional duty on stamps and spirits in Ireland ) 'also the export of coal to the amount of 4s. per ton. With 'respect to the income tax,. it' had been urged by Hon. Gentlemen on that' (the Opposition) -. side of the House, that it was an unjust tax, an odious and inquisitorial one, and intolerable in whatever' shape it might be imposed. It had been also said that the Right Honourable Baronet had greatly exaggerate d the necessities of the case. In proof of this, it was al leged that there was a long list of taxes producing many millions annually, which might be modified so as to give the required a mount to make up the deficit. Although he (Lord Grosvenor) was aware that the Right Hon. Baronet was at issue on most of those with Gentlemen on that side of the House, y e t th ere was one point on w hi c h the Right Hon. Gentlealan concurred with his opponent, and that was, that nothing but the greatest necessity could call for the imposition of such a tax as the income tax. The measure pro posed by the Right Honourable Baronet had caused the utmost disappointment, and the explanation given by the Right Hon. Baronet of the manner in which he pro posed to apportion the taxes, was equally unsatisfactory. —(Hear, hear.) He looked upon the measure as one of great injustice ; but at the present moment, when all those things were susceptible of calculation, lie did not see what reason a Minister of the Crown had to come down to that House and propose a measure imposing a tax upon property not more in proportion than the tax he proposed to lay upon annuitants, traders, and pro fessional men.—(Hear, hear) He (Lord R. Grosvenor) would never consent to levy those taxes according to the measure proposed by her Majesty's Government.— (Hear, hear.) Having now stated his views, he would conclude with regretting that the Right Hon. Baronet should have spoken in so acrimonious a manner on this grave question, particularly when referring to the Noble Lord near him. After a most careful consideration of the whole question, his (Lord R. Grosvenor's) duty was to vote against the resolutions of the Right Hon. Baronet. § Mr. C. BULLER could not better begin what he had to say on the subject before the H euse, than by expressing his entire coincidence with the sentiments of the Noble LOrd, who very properly censured the acrimonious tone, and the party ieeling, that had been given to this debate by the conduct of the Light lion. Bart. the Member fur Tainworth.— (Cries of " Oh, oh," and "Hear, hear.") He (Mr. C. Buller) would explain what he meant, for lie was not in the habit of making charges without being able to support them. lie must say, that if ever there were a grave question deserving to be considered, svith out any reference to party feeling, it was the present ; and if ever there was a person who should have sought to give such a consideration to such a discussion, it was the Minister who had brought forward a plan of so great and important a nature as the present.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr. C. Buller) must say that the conduct of the Right lion. Baronet had, in many respects, disappointed him, it was so different from his usual moderation and fairness. In the first place, he (Mr. C. Buller) thought the Right Hon. Baronet pressed forward his measure with, precipitation; ilex t,that the Minister who brought forward such a plan, should have held himself open to any alte ration which might have been suggested to him in the progress of the discussion, instead' of pertinaciously saying that he would listen to no amendments, but would consider his plan as already perfect.—(lnterruption from the Treasury benches.) He had certainly heard with regret the determination of the Right lion. Baronet to adhere to all the details of the measure ; he was sorry to find, for instance, that he still seemed disposed extend the measure to the case of terminable annuities. He must still further complain of that tone of constant recrimination towards the other side of the House, which the Right lion. Baronet had introduced—those constant ' appeals to the political feelings of his own party, and those constant assertions, repeated over and over again that our difficulties were caused by some great miscon duct on the part of his predecessors.—(Cheers from the Ministerial benches.) That cheer, which met him from' the other side, was just one of those party displays just one of those party cheers—which, he would say, ought not to be elicited in the cause of that discussion, and which lie thought the Right Hon. Baronet had taken too much pains to call forth.—(Hear, hear.) He should say, with all respect for the Right Hon. Baronet, that he did think his conduct in the course of the debate had borne too much the appearance of that of a Minister who would not venture to rest his plan upon the mere claims of justice and of good policy, but who endea voured to carry it by the force of party feeling ; and -who, in order to meet that ominous silence which had saluted the first announcement of his income tax, and that still more constant silence which had constantly greeted his new tariff, had had recourse to party feeling, and the exciting of his supporters to go with him, in order that they might obtain a triumph over their poli tical opponents. It was with great reluctance that he (Mr. Buller) made any observations of that kind, because he knew that it might appear unbecoming in him to presume to cen sure the slight Hon. Baronet. He would not have expressed those opinions if he had not sincerely felt them, and if he did not really deplore the time which the Right Hon. Baronet had consumed upon the subject. Not one other word, how ever, upon that subject. It appeared to him that that was much too great a quest ion to bsi settled.by mere political considera. tions on the party interests of fie day. He was not yielding to any desire to exaggerate the care,• when he stated it was not a question which merely related to the Budget, or to the finances of the year, but which was likely to exercise art influ ence upon the whole financial policy of this country for an unli mited period. It appeared to him that the proposal of the Right Hon. Gentleman to introduce an income tax in time of peace was the most important invention ever introduced in the financial history of this country.,--( Hear, hear.) He did not wish, on that occasion, to indulge in any praises of the Right Hon. Gentleman, 'but still he was bound to give him credit for the boldness of his scheme, and the great ability with which he had brought it forward.—( Hear. ) He also gave him credit very sincerely for his honesty. of purpose. The proposal was not that of a man who wanted to silde over the difficulties of the moment, or to avoid colli- sion with a great evil. But further than that he could not. go. It seemed to him that great, and able, and honest as the scheme was, it was still but a great mischief, and, in his opinion, it was the most rash, unwise, and pernicious measure which had ever been prpposed in the financial history of this country. This was no question of how they should get supply for a single year. The Right Hon. Baronet distinctly proposed that the tax should continue for three years. Nuw, was there any Gen tleman in that House who supposed that, if it succeeded for three years, the experiment would rest there ?—( Hear, hear.) He did not intend to impute any want of candour to the Minis ter who proposed it ; but he believed that, if the plan succeeded, whatever might be his feelings at the time of its adoption, it would not end with three years. It was far too corsvenient a plan for raising the supplies, far too easy a mode of getting over the Budget of the year without proposing new taxes and getting into collision with powertui interests, merely by proposing an ad ditional half or one per cent. to the income tax. It was far too easy a mode of making up the revenue to be discontinued after it had once been tried. It must be viewed as a great change in the financial system of the country, substituting, as it did, direct for inGi rect taxation. He should perhaps fall into the error of re peating the objections which had been made to the income tax by Gentlemen on that side of the House. He thought that these objections were confined almost entirely to an in• come tax—a tax upon uncertain and fluctuating income. (Hear, hear.) He did not believe that Gentlemen on that side of the House would object to a property tax—a tax in which the income arose,from realised property. But there was one remark Which he would make on the subject of a property tax,as disconnected with an income tax. Certainly if the owners of property in that House—if the landed proprietors in that House—chose to place a tax upon their own property, and nut upon that of others, he would say that that was a very just, a very wise, arida very noble measure. They had undoubtedly a right to do so, and nu one would gainsay their right. He would remind the house, however, of the answer returned by the two Bishops to James 1., when they were asked by that King whether he had any right to take their money without their consent. The first Bishop, Bishop Williams, a man of ex treme civility, said, " Undoubtedly all they had belonged to his Majesty, and his Majesty said he had a right to take what he chose." rhe King then turned round to the second Bishop, who appeared to be a more independent surf of man, and asked him what he thought of the matter? His answer was a memorable one, and somewhat applicable to the present case : " Your Majesty has undoubtedly a right to take my brother Williams's money, becauie he gives you his con sent."—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") In the same way, if that House came forward and offered to pay a property tax out of their own income there was little tear that the professional and trading part of the community would object. It must be borne in mind that, after all, the two propositions were closely connected. When he opposed an income tax he was convinced he was practically opposing a property tax at the same time, because he did not count upon that magnanimity in the two Houses of Parliament, which would induce them to propose a property tax without an income tax. The objectio ns which had been made were objections to an iticome tax, and to those objections no satisfactory answer had been given. lie felt that he was fully justified in that assertion, for however lucid and full might have been the explanations of tee Right Hon. Ba ronet and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, yet with respect to the objections that had been made, nothing had been done to wards removing them.—( Hear, hear.) The first objection to an income tax was its amazing injustice—the amazing injustice of taxing realised property iii the same proportion that they taxed incomes depending upon the greatest casualities. You -tax the gentleman of property in funds or land, which is his own, and descends always unimpaired and to the Caine amount, to his children. Was it just or equal to come on the man of a limited income for life, or limited even for a shorter period—a limited income dependant from year to year on his exertions, or the continuance of his health, or hi, professional success, and tax him . to the same amount as they do the landed or funded property ? And the way in which it was to be taken would prove its injustice in a remark able manner. In the case of a professional man, you tax all his gains, say for one year; in another case you do not: tax a'l tha i t a man gets in one year. He would take what seemed straitly, instance of this. Supposing a professional man g ai ns 5,0001. 'its one year, he would lay that " by, but another man •gets 5,0001. as a legacy, and what was the course pursued with 'regard to the large legacy of 5,0001., and the sum of 5,0001. 'laid by? The latter was taken as the income of the year, and they took from it 1501. a-year tax, while the 5,0001. legacy was considered as the capital of property, and only taxed ac cording to the income derived from it. This lie thought "monstrous injustice; it was cruel to come on those who were living by precarious professional gains, and take from them the same portion of the earnings on which the family depended, as they did from the revenue of the Man of capital and fortune, that descended unimpaired to his posterity. sslie would not take the case of lawyers, but the case was particularly hard with respect to physicians, on account of the small period of life during which they could earn a property. Ho had been told that the gaining period of a physician's life was never more than fifteen years ; in this respect no other profession was so badly off. On small traders, captains of merchant ships, and all persons of small and precarious gains, the injustice and inequality of the income tax would be cruel. Be had heard no answer to the next objection to the tax—its inquisitorial nature. The Right Hon. Gentleman I , threw over this objection in a few words, but on a former I occasion it was only got over after the petitions of millions of people. In 1606 the imposition of the income tax led to a I larger amount of petitions, more opposition, more excitement, a greater change in the conduct of Members of the House, and led to the defeat of a stronger Ministry, than any measure since the year 1800. He thought the same causes would produce the same effects.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Bon. Gentle- Man had introduced no modification in the machinery. Re said it was that introduced by Lord Landsdowne, which he sup posed would render it more agreeable to persons on his (Mr. C. Buller's) side of the:House who were connected with the Noble Lord. But what ;hey complained of was that it had caused so much mischief More, arid would be likely to do so again. The thirst objection ho had to the measure of the Hon. Baronet was, that the tax was one of an exceedingly demoralising nature, and would offer great in ducements to frauds by enabling one man to cheat the revs find and another to overstate his means.—( Hear, hear.) Such practices had taken plaee under the operation of the old tax, and were they uow grown so much more moral that the evils of the;old system were lint to be apprehended now? —(Hear:, hear.) He would state one instance which was given in the debate on the property tax in 1816. The whole profits on the manufactures in Manchester had been assessed at only 300,0001., and the assessment on the profits of manufactures in Glasgow whibh were only half of those in Manchester, was 600,0001., being double the amouut. ( Hear, hear.) Was it probable then that ' e ven supposing Glasgow w as n o t f a i r ly a ss e sse d, .111; a hester mu 4 not have been assessed under the proper amount, as it only paid one-fourth of what Glasgow paid? Was it not * likely that such frauds would take place again, and that every person would attempt to avoid the tax in every possible way? A great deal had been said of the merits of the measure, because it avoided taxes on consuma ble commodities, and, therefore, did notj press on the working classes ; but did not the tax fall upon the fund which employed ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. pct the reading of the Order of the Day for the Com mittee on the Corn Duties Bill, Sir It PEEL said. that as he could not expect to make any progress in the Bill before the recess, so as to send it to the Lords, he should now (as he stated his intention last night to do) move the postpOnement of the order to Monday, the 4th of April. Mr. lIAWES, with respect to the timber duties, ex pressed his satisfaction with the announcement of the Right Hon. Gentleman's intention to allow a long inter val before the operation of thenew duties. But he wished to call the Right Hon. Gentleman's' attention to the pre-. sent mode of taking the duty, which, in'the opinion of the trade, ought to be by bale, and nOt by measurement. Sir B. i'Ek.;.L said, he had to strike a balance between 'the consumer and the trade ; but he could not hold out any expectation of a long interval ; which. would have the effect of conferring .a temporary monopoly upon those who had large stocks on hand, as well as causing a suspen sion of trade. As to the mode of taking the duty, there was no difficulty in taking it by cubic Measurement on timber in the lug but he thought that in the case of deals there was the grossest injustice occasioned by thae mode of measurement, which had also the effect of exclu ding the timber of some nations entirely from our market: He had had some communications with gentlemen on the subject of presenting impediments to the revenue, and affecting its colleetion on all classes of timber, and the question was under his attentive consideration. HAND-LOOM WEAVERS. Mr. WODEHOUSE gave notice, that after Easter he would draw the attention of the House to the Report of the Commissioners in 1841 on the condition of the hand loom weavers; also that he would move for certain re turns'respecting poor-rates, county-rates, and other im posts. THE BISHOP OF JERUSALEM. Dr.. BOWRING said, that although he had for the present.withdrawn the notice he had given respect ing this Prelate, he (Dr. Bowring) was sorry to learn that some of the events he had rpprehended had already occurred, in consequence of the preCipitate sending of Dr. Alexander to Jerusalem. A report had reached him (Dr. Bowring) ' that the Bishop had been treated with much ill-usage. He (Dr. Bowring) wished to ask the Right Honourable Baronet whether such a report had reached the Government ; and if so, whether the Government had taken any measures to protect the person of the Bishop, or for his removal from a scene where it would be very difficult for lii:n to gut rd agrinst the hostilities of the various Christian sects, and of the Jews? Sir R. PEEL was aware. that in some parts of Syria efforts had been made .to Stir. lip hostilities against the mission, but no account whatever had reached the' Government that the BiShoP had been ill-treated. been There might no doubt be a:hostile feeling against tb e. Bishop, but he (Sir R. Peel) , liad received no account to the effect that his personal security had endangered. LEGACY AND PROBATE DUTIES. Mr. ELPHINSTONE gave .übtice that he would, after Easter, move that the legacy and probate duty upon real property should be of the same amount hereafter as that to which personal property is now liable. TEMPERANCE IN IRELAND. Mr. CALEB PO WELL begged leave to ask the Right Honourable Baronet, the First Lord of the Treasury, whether he was in _possession of any official information from which he might infer that habits of temperance were, or were not, progressively extending among the people of Ireland ?—(lfear, hear.) Sir R. PEEL said, that he was not in possession of any official information upon the sul3ject, and he begged leave the working c l asses ?_(Loud cries of " Hear, h ear .") Hero Sir R. Peel made an obser ..ation across the table, which did not reach us.] lle hoped he would be favour-d with an answer to that. Could it be denied that that tax would fall upon the capital by which the labourers were maintained? —(Hear, hear.) A struggle was now going on between capitalists, and the wages of profit were reduced to the lowest amount. In the present state of things profits were extremely small, and the means of employing the working classes greatly diminished, and it was not likely that a tax of 3 per cent, would be any augmentation of those profits, or afford any inducement to employ capital in the various branches of manufactures. The fifth objection, and which appeared to him to be of great moment was, that an income tax bad never before been proposed in time of peace.—( Hear, hear.) The last income tax was proposed in time of war, when the capitalists could not go abroad. They were now about to try it at a time when any man of fluctuating capital could remove to any portion of the world he liked.—(Hear, hear.) The measure had a direct ten dency to drive capital out of the country, by inducing the mer chant to transfer his capital to other countries wirer e it would not be so severely taxed.—( Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman must be aware that such an effect had already been produced in some degree. The Right Hon. Gentleman could net be unaware that, during the last 10 or 12 years, British capital to a large amount had been transferred to Germany, to Belgium, and to France ; and the -Right Hon. Gentleman was now, by the imposition of this tax of 3 per cent. on income, actually adding to the motives for the withdrawal of capital from the country. It appeared to hint that all the objections which could be urged against art income tax we e of tenfold force as against the present proposition. '1 he first objection to the income tax was its exceedingly small amount. There might be some argument for an income tax where it was attempted to raise a great portion of the revenue by it. There might be some argument for an income tax, where, as was the case with Mr. Riorardo's proposed property tax. Some great national effort was to be made to raise a revenue for the capital of the country to attempt to pay off a considerable portion of the national debt. That was worth an effort; but when the Right Hon. Baronet proposed to impose this tax merely to raise a suns of 3,000,000/., all the objections against such a tax were of ten fold force. The evils of an income tax did not consist in the amount of revenue raised from it, but in the inequality, the injustice, and the inquisitorial nature of the machinery, and the same objectionable machinery must be used, whe ther the amount raised by the tax was ,one million, or one hundred millions. An additional objection to the pre sent proposition was the shortness of fhe period for which it was proposed. That did away with the only argu ment that could be adduced for imposing a tax on income derived from profits, as well as an ,income derived from pro perty. Mr. Pitt's argument was, that the man who derived an income from profits ceased to pay when he ceased to re ceive his income, while the man who derived a permanent in come from invested property still continued to pay. Now, if the tax was continued for three years, this argument was :com pletely done away with.—( Hear, hear.) A man whose in come was derived from an annuity, terminable at the end of three years, would pay precisely the same amount to this tax as a roan deriving an income from an invested property, which would last for the whole of his life, and descend to his children after him.—( Hear.) He thought this, als r, a most ill-chosen period for proposing an income tax, on account of the great and acknowledged distress of the country. The inquisitorial ma chinery for collecting this tax, which might be tolerated in a period of prosperity, must, in times of distress, be productive of extensive ruin. It must also be productive of extensive mischief, that in a period of distress there should be a tax on the employment of capital. There was another point which struck him as of importance connected with the present pe riod. The machinery of this tax, always objectionable, was particularly coat present, when party feeling was so much more violent than it had been in the time of the war.—( Hear.) Who would be the pet sons' to ascertain, a man's property? Why, his neighbour, chosen by the Government of the day.— (Hear, hear.) He conceived that great injustice would be done through the influence of party.spirit amongst those persons in small communities. The last objection which he had to make was rested upon the ground'og the motives for which it was put on—the disastrous news from India, and the reverses which our troops had lately suffered in that part of the world. Ile thought the Right Hon. Baronet und e rr a ted the e ffect of thi s tax upon the oninions of foreign Powers.—( Hear, bear.) 'fhe Right Hon. - Baronet admitted that it was unwise to do °hat, which in the eyes of foreign Powers would seem to be a ma nifestation of alarm. But this tax was never imposed but when the country had suffered some disaster, as in 1798, and when it was subsequently re-imposed upon the breaking out of another war, with the same motive; and, therefore, he would not doubt that patting on this tax now would appear to be an act of alarm.—( Hear, hear.) On all these grounds he thought he might fairly come to the conclusion, that however unpopular the tax might have been in former times, it would be much more so now; and if the same feeling had not yet been ex hibited against it as in 1816, when its operation was fresh in men's minds and experience, he still felt that it would not come into operation without exciting as much op position—( Hear.) A great portion of the people would look upon the tax as imposed, not merely for the purpose of recruit ing the revenue, but effecting that _without having recourse to other and more legitimate modes of taxation, and to the reduc tion of monopolies. His (Mr. C. Buller's) greatest objection was foentled on the mere circumstance of its unpopularity, an unpo pularity which experience hail shown would go on increasing while it continued to be levied, in consequence of the inquisito rial nature of its machinery. That was an argument which might, in some degree, apply to all direct taxation, and certainly it did to a great extent ; but, above all, it applied to a taxation of . which the machinery was so peculiarly odious. He must say it appeared to him an unwise thing, in a Government which took so large a portion of a man's income from him for public purposes, to let him see the exact amount which he paid.—( Ministerial cheers.) That doctrine elicited a cheer from the Right Hon. Baronet, who seemed surprised at what he (Mr. C. Buller) stated, but the only cause of surprise was, that in taking a Conservative course, he ( Mr. C. Buller) should And himself opposed to a revolutionary course, on the part of the Right Hon. Baronet. *slut it did certainly scent to him (Mr. C. Buller) very unwise in the Government to take so large a portion of every roan's income f,om him for public purposes, and at the same time let each individual see the exact amount which he paid; but more especially it appeared to him exceedingly unwise, when so large a portion of income thus taken from the subjects of the realm went not to support the public estab lishments, but to pay the national debt. (The lion. Gentleman here turned his back on the gallery, which, together with the indistinctness of the tone in which he at the moment spoke, rendered him very imperfectly heard. ) We underdool him to say that if dire - st taxation were imposed to any considerable extent, and people saw that they could not get rid of it, they would turn front direct taxation and look to being freed from the 'rational debt as an only means of relief. It might be said that that was out of the question, but he must confess that he had apprehensions that such would be the case. Those were the arguments which the Right Hon. Baronet was obliged to use when he defended the malt tax, and. he (Mr. C. Bulier) thought that the whole history of English taxation showed whether it was a wise thing to draw it from indirect taxation. Since the Revolution the land tax had been got rid of—one of the next taxes that were given up were the assessed taxes. These were given up since the people were better represented in that House. The house tax and half the window taxes were taken off since. There was ano ther matter which he ( fir. C. Buller) wished to mention to the House, that was the state of the law with respect to the taxa. tion of stock in trade. Under the Act of Elizabeth there was no doubt that " stock in trade" was as liable to the payment of rates for the poor as any other descriptiori of property, but owing to the difficulty of collecting the tax, an application was made to the Court of Queen's Bench, to asceriain whether " stock in trade" was liable for poor-rates, and when it was decided by that Court that it gas as liable to the payment of those rates as any other visible property, the very next Session an Act of Parliament was passed for the purpose of ex empting that description of property altogether.—(Hear. ) His opinion was, that if the income tax were now imposed it would be made permanent, and increased from year to year, and that instead of being an improvement in the finances of the country, it would place the national debt on a most precarious basis. The Right Hon. Baronet seemed to have greatly un dercalculated the revenue he would derive from the income tax. He had also miscalculated the t emount derivable from the old property tax, without considering the increase of wealth of the country since. In 1815 there were assessed 170,000,0001. of property, from which 28,8.50,000/. were exempted, leaving a clear remainder of 141,150,000/., which, at Mein the pound, would produce, instead of 3,500,000!., 4,100,000/., beteg at least 400,0001. more than the Right Hon. Baronet calculated. This was under the old property tax. But had the nation made no progress in wealth since, admitting that the rental of land was not higher now than in 1815 ? He (Mr. B.) had returns to show that the gains and profits arising from pro., fessional and mercantile pursuits had greatly increased since that time. In the four years ending 1815 the legacy duty was paid on 26,000,000/. of personal property. In four the years ending 1839 it was paid on 42,935,0001.—( Hear, hear.) There was no reason to suppose that the legacy duty bore any undue proportion to the amount of property ; and he thought, therefore, they should take it for granted that both equally in crersed. He did not, however, rest upon that alone ; and there were other data to corroborate his statement. They had repealed, since the war, 25,000,000/. of taxes, besides the pro perty tax; and the revenue now derived from the 'diminished sources was only 10,000,0001. less ; 'so that the increased con sumption of the country had enabled us, lo a certain extent, to make up for diminished taxation. It seemed to him, there fore, that the Right Hon, Baronet was asking fur a good deal more money than he would want. He would particu,arly im press that upon the House, because if a Government were dis posed to be extravagant, they would no' be the less extrava gant if they had 40 ',COOL or 500.000/. more than they had cal culated on for meetin g their expenditure. What, he would ask, was the necessity for an income tax at the present mo ment? He had no doubt that, if the necessities of the nation required it, if we were engaged in an expensive war, for any great object, the country would submit to such a burden. They would say it was unjust, but that they should bear its injustice—that it was inquisitorial, but that they should submit to that inconvenience—that it was burdensome, but that it was better to endure that burden than to be overrun by a foreign army. But he shOuld say in the first place, that the Right Hon. Baronet, in attempting to jus tify his proposal, had extravagantly exaggerated the necessities of the country ; and that he had, in the second place, fallen into an equally extravagant depreciation of its resources He saw nothing in the state of our finances which could give rise to the language held by the Right Hon. Baronet, as if the country were placed in difficulties from which it could only be extricated by an income tax. The history of our financial embarrass ments was perfectly obvious. Those embarrassments had arisen from the excessive love of economy which had prevailed in that House since the passing of the Reform Bill. He would, how ever, take that opportunity of expressing his approval of one re duction at least in our taxation, which had been a con stant subject of taunt, . to. Honourable Gentlemen ep pa , site—he meant the reduction in the Post-office revenue. He had no hesitation in saying that if he looked hack to the Re form Bill' for the one great benefit which it had done to the common people of the country—to the great masses which were unrepresented in that House—it appeared to him that the Post office Reform was the one measure which had done more good to the people than all the others put together. Not to speak of the direct comforts arid advantages which were conferred by that measure, lie valued it because it treated the people as moral beings, having intellects and having hearts, having ideas to communicate, and affectiens to interchange, and enabled the poor man to gratify his feelings to the greatest extent —( Hear, hear.) That taunt came with a very had grace from those who had quitted the party that originated the Act, and who did not propose its repeal, because they knew that the great body of the the people of this country were so strongly in favour of it that no Government could safely take such a course.—( Hear. hear.) The revenue had indeed fallen off ; but could it be con tended that an income tax was inevitable. They were told that the old system of raising the revenue was to tally inadequate. The Right Honourable Baronet came down and told them it was perfectly notorious that the taxes on articles of consumption had reached their level. Because texts on particular articles had reached their level, because they could not resort to those articles with advantage to the revenue, therefore it was contended there remained no articles to be taxed. That argument had been met on that sise cf the House by the simple statement that since the last war there 'had been taken off 25 millions of taxes. If gentlemen e anted direct taxation, let them resume the 3 or 4 m illions of assessel taxes whi c h h a d b een t a k en o ff s i n ce the war. Th ose were taxes which would not interfere with trade and of would return a cert a i n revenue w ith ou t an y of the odious resultsaiso told an income tax. B u t th e Right Hon. Gentleman them that there w as no remedy to be found by taxes —that the produce would not be sufficientlyg reat for the open, to lowering the necessary urgency. But there was a third course ~~-~"c% -. ~ -art ~ v' r• 'I, n . Hon. Baronet had not alluded, namely, !i't' of lowering the differential duties.-( Hear, hear.) TWO, 7 believed, was the real resource of the country at this mornestll -(1-tear.) He had beard no argument on the other_ i a r to convince him that at best, half the deficiency might net h 7: been supplied by lowering the differential duties n tim s h:r sugar, and coffee. That was a celain resource-thereowna ~...ft speculation about it; the certain increase of consumpti . :T o have brought a large increase of revenue. Thiswas tit; over, that was open to NOU ; yet this plan was entirely throw ce_Fd, and why ? Not from any regard to the people -not from _ti regard for sound principles of finance, but simply from a d rer r ; to •large interests, whose monopolies they touch. He wished to allude to one 'arl.e,ument of the .n.ill Hon, Baronet, as to the dutir a on corn, which he rated rather a strange one.to be used by ono who represen te i „„ e e Corn Bill as tin ling to relax the trade in corn, andt r e. ri, Jd i the price of the article. The Right Hon. Baronet said h r etr", dad not titr:,_ tis not reckon on a revenue from corn, because the iric_eatZ 'the customs from this cause must be set off against theopiei,lre; lion .in the g-neral excise. But why Inuit this be set o ff s .. ) :: ;in cause, under the present system, if a large revenue ar e 4 4I'a h rlce -; A -corn, it was a sign of corn having risen to a very bils P ~kbf was a sign of great distress in the country: it was a al :ia_ a At theist hivino• been a bad harvest; it w pay 70s. arid 735. a quarter for corn, le 'ore he c ,uld.f .0111, bread t sea!"; and, of course if he expen 'ed so much t e t e r_ c ; he hail le,s to lay out in other'articles, end, therefore,l,ll _soil a , a sign that a M et 7: fell off. The Right lion. Baronet thought the• therefore,( would render the corn trade steady, ar,d fix its price at _t, be 60s. aad 6:is. a quarter. If that were the eaie, it . Ig " Sot fairly assumed, that the falling off would not be so great • ,_., this was the price they paid for keeping subject so popular with Gentlemen on the other 5,1 a . o fo House, as monopoly was, he should not venture to" 51 7 . ine iftlea against so) sacred a thing; but he would venture ° ti' we oeast one argument which, it struck him, ought 1 whe y,io weight with Honourable Gentlemen opposite. .. 1 ! of eer s making great sacrifices to keep up the monelV ii ," i iildes , and sugar, but these were almost the ; ) ,Niessitsn e n , A r which the new tariff left wholly untouched. AI L ;a i l( 0 n interests were touched freely, and what did the/ id ,. t ea'sfe sll „ become of the-c monopolies now that others were ' 4 ,,,.,e ( 1 ag "J up mcriopole 0(71; How would these remain when they were net, !f be r ; fur any others? The Right Hon. Baronet, the Ne":, - n - f her ':, cheater, and the Right Hon. Baronet at the bea` 4 l , - h e der.lf4;e -jesty's Government, held different language as i tt :,,, 130 11 _ ° ,, - ,; of the Corn-law and Sugar Duties. The Right "% it i 64 1 " the Member for Dorchester, was very careful to (110'1710. Bares with respect to the Corn-law, and the other Righ t j ',.l l olsi l t tif net with respect to the Sugar monopoly, had used Os' hear, 5 724 words as " temporary," and " fora time."--( lle r:L a est c ° , d ,a w laughter.) He did not know what the sugar i. -- . n d roil expect except that their fate was put off for a year , •"` d til'i that was the general understanding.-( Hear, hear, an d A ter.) Could they really expect that their ruenli.' o 4 stand great and powerful as they were ?- ( Cheers' i .11- indeed,.when the beautiful system of their ancestors sy- l obf operation, those monopolies were backed up and surreld 4 14 others-. Talk of the corn monopoly then,•a we, shoemaker started up and feared for his lat able" poly of shoes to the colonies.-(Loud ' k etliS Talk of the sugar monopoly, and the straw-bonne t 04001hir I frightened. 'thus was one monopoly backed til!• 1 /Y o e' ti l da s and it had its effect on the electoral bode. • 15 fl t. t - eets o ,l Right Hon. 13 tronet, the Augustus of his time, ( : ain d ,,,:ies r • , sweep away those paltry monopolies of straw aro, ', - -,eneilL, - they were to be all exposed to the competition of i°r"; er ai r„ (Cheers and laughter.) The Right Hon. Barenealiel," sirous to clear away the paltry rubbish of minor 1 55 " - ' e tstiPe erect the new mansion of fres trade, but the hideouliole,/ Gothic deformities of other monopolies he w ouldrO t ota rtr, (Cheers.) But did they not see that they were gl ee - Ot .E 1 ter: these great monopolies by'consenting to destroy ".g T a ones.-( Hear, hear.) If tJcalegon's house was herl'loo r: :4 . own was the next.-(Cheers.) He only wished le te d „; their mouths were open to gorge almost the `P! sell. they would consent to swallow a little freee trade .. d ofd (Hear, hear, and laughter.) He wished that ins a" a.ri income, tax being given them, they' were to g'•;,,, , ' ,i . J r trade in sugar ; but he looked at the ' Vors' was taken as one of the most important c i 4 •ll_,itr i ) He thought their could not be a more deeply 51 ,.`" , be s 4 view than that of the Right Hon. Baronet.-( ge ,; ( 0 5 ,4 He stated that with perfect sincerity, and he trio. he convinced the House that, at least, he had taken uli h t ;alog Mons upon no light or insufficient grounds.- (He ar ' s ?, Dr. LOWRING said, as he intended to vote lei proposition of the Right Hon. Baronet, he Wished toe, a few observations to the Ilouse. In the first place he , "cses $0 to state that he was in favour of direct taxation , d „, e s. J l conceived it possessed a great variety of adea n "; 5, knew of no system of taxation which wa s d o,,it in its bearing upon all classes, so economical , a° ? Ar ia at the same time, would bring to the Treastoliatislri an amount of revenue as the system of direct % - jste i e (Hear, hear.) If equitably laid on, there wad 5° etre, taxation more just or more calculated to afford the P: to to o i at the country that relief which, under pressing 60 5 to a ,1 they had a right to expect. Indirect taxation 51 : 3 , 0 41... de great extent in the hands of the individual who wag 4 t oy" depended upon the powers of consumption, and P le e riifr e s cutive a most despotic power. It gave to the funetioneoki were invested with the power' of collecting the re v efi l influence almost despotic. Before he consented it a tt ttil taxation, such as was proposed by the Right Hon. li ke t (Dr. Bowring) should see that the proposition 0f, t4 .0„- le Hon. Baronet was not so vexatious or inquisitive es ' b olo was afraid of agreeing to the resolution propt.)sed'il 'bid' thought that by doing so, he should be removing t oe .1 , 0 extravagant expenditure.-( Hear, hear, hear.); ~,e, 0 Hon. Baronet had greatly understated what halt d• the results of the tax. Since the tai c d . .,,r!l been imposed twenty-six years had PL e a • . during which the resources of the country had ten d , s e developed and its &arm ercial relations had been el, t f or kg .A o yet the Right Hon. Gentleman took as the gronue.:4roe, calculations the amount of the income of the eouttci!, 4 9llo 4 ,o since. The House of Commons, by affirming the ''''' le would be placing in the hands of the Right 11°n4 ' i fir' 13 1 much larger sure than had been calculated on. .U . ke 0 , giving an encouragement to increased expenditureWacegiest liowring) would acknowledge that he was not sor c rOoe flic in the Exchequer. It was a security for: security would be - emoved and the Treasury ..l e j-01 5 ";0114 pleoished from this tax. that the Right He, „t glary - dire; o t i a d v a e b t u h s e es m , e a a n n d s o o f r d i o n i t n r g od a uc east ng ridealew of o rn ne i s scide ‘ i i i ii re cl.' eas ,Or: ' o,, , C . : o, r, !: taxation was established the revenue reett r i be l ia irl•T 5 1 . simp'est possible manner; when ogre t .e rea 4 T - ~,,,,, fected by adding an additional penny or three 115 , 41 „Pf.' 0 , l'i 001: might be increased by a million ; and when "l, : e.te l , how the i»zpot finder in France had bfe„ . . n .„, e ' 011 4 ? the addition or an occasional centime once !P' -4 , j'' 1 he thought the House ought to pause berSfi,%,'. - r i tioned the resolution proposed by the Rig 1 0 . ..,. 4- '44.. • „" e The Right Hon. Baronet was about to throw (lrle, ' °, iiy immorality and mendacity, for people thinking "' . Oll, isk e necessary or a just one would seek to shirk ' every ingenious method they could think 0 1 , L 4 ?0;* , "? 0 , then the act were right or strong. . The Rig n' e rr tit e a s tlf t would do better if he placed the legacy. di.a. iejo4 l °, Jr; nerty. Still it must be acknowledged that hislor. Phi: great step towards commercial reform.-( l ie a Nt 4 1 ,4' he (Dr. B.) was sorry that French articles were s e •, o 9' 1 ..",„ 1% ithout reference to the conduct of France , inil no h , follow the sound advice of Mr. Deacon IlitM e t, e t - I0 01 4 14 " we felt to be just and right, whatever foreign ",. 0 .9" do. The duties on brandies and silks from 14. 1 4 ;tbe le pr ri , be reduced, not for the benefit of France, but I° ' b e or ld not ended' ir 4 , of our own people ; at least that on silk sh° u ,.„ e rl ..,rx !Tutted to exceed what the Act of Parliament 01-0 pit ir„ was 30 per cent., while, in reality, it amounted ° m otet - dir t But he was glad to see that we had acted in 5 , w ho rLO towards Tuscany, to whom we owed much, lit'' h ere. , Ir e the example of free trade within her limited •ItcalpjjlA, we ought not to continue the 5 per cent. on gusto Oroit t o 4s. on coal exported was wrung, and he was sera ,, ~ 0:0 1 i failure ; it would do great injury to our, 5 hipPin 5 .,..1617,10,4 great advantage to Belgium, which, at present:ld:joy MY,, a severe competition against us. It would c 1 4 70111,4 our coal export trade. No doubt the tariff, ,° 4 „f74 e Hon. Baronet contained some good items, still; - 5t ,;f15 1 , , „ t the tax on principle, he (Dr. B.) must vote , ag' lC '- - or., lution. , Ili, . o , ' Me. S. O'BRIEN would vote for the resointiosbolet 1? Hon. Baronet, because he (Mr. O'Brien) role ° eg li !, -- - at 5 4 • 0' . , on the principle so often contended for on Nl` a : . ot e e ' a property tax. He also thought the Right lit the il" ;;t , titled in proposing the tax, for the exigences 0' , j,17 0 , quired it. As far as the expectation of derivil t atle 1 0 venue from a reduction of the dutics on sugar e n isk7, 0 1 ,0 he thought they had arrived. at the maximum P . ,e,",/tr e al tion in the duties on colonial sugar. With .re'r-o';,are i fbi the question, he presumed, was whetber' as Ar, e ,) should be given to increased taxation on timbor!st, pre 430. 0 . revenue, or to the system of direct taxation l'ivic,.l4. of ;Iv the Right lion. Baronet, for admitting as he c tuffijarem he did, that the revenue could be derived from i t- hs .ec a rsh lo t ber, he must however say, that that could oulY,a o hlelipb t ae imposing increased duties on that article. The `i, to 11 , 0 1 de te , Member for Sunderland (Lord Howiek) oee le , l l Tere e t l i tuf t e at , if they carried out the system of changing the t` l o wa he il'F' i ii to its utmost extent, they would obtain a large t hat t t to d o ° o ol , nue ; but it seemed to him (Mr. O'Brie n 00°0 4 0 00 Flom Baronet, in proposing to review the tar t t h at b at lat! r e that the Noble Lord cou'd effect. It was true an d o e°' Iv of taxation had been remitted since the lir% trios? t o had laid his finger on any of thee taxes for tie e e tt , ofl t hel newing them, Would they renew the Pue t ' e t Se er Wolti" be ens would deny that the reduction in th a ft ot, oala t s? flue wai tttended with the greatest general he rl ta trY. „ s et t ,,0l renew the house tax? Why all the e: the d 7 i a ll ' O O up against that tax too. Would they ret e wou l a tadj e o 0. Those upon whom the weight of such a ta' re pres it ight 05 , among the humblest classes, who were lo t d, the. ,:thAt A lf House, and in his (Mr. S. O'Brien's) mit' te uevot g astel, ,ho Bar2net had shown great generosity in lo t ', been s,"" o ave 4 t oel He would refer to another tax, which ha't a to fi"' . ., aa re co sl the Hon. Mernber for Lambeth, who wi"`Gentle7hey, oo l o burden on the landed interest. That lion' a bed soi he' paibti m ii:lnrtaecir, et e eeeuains n ns(geAlce s tone l Aisi h e prawneit d e.lire,oeed: Oerper t Oar h aacilis2aß e s, aspßsattre l iiiire e ,oiri,seielii v sn:tsrenii y htsentotaa:n n f)aptni g illxoleicooi afxanot o udtp:fl f gaarehtear a nrhtsldsiesi t tnoih a npcu x agrortometfl u chets p os tosoaaenf and d,:, p co Withr' e l `vet so,oo:o : a ir e t' i i b : land. proposeda thereforebll . ) e y f t rit h o a o e l p l b ß ae t y h s / g i T u h a, t .o ll tri 16 :e i u p on o . 11 , a f7 e o; ' , ,i; r t l i e ,i - 1 ° . :1, to r v i : 111 , em° ough ti9l) l4 l4l; l 7 o l ' pre fits e He ./ 10 0t 1 4 his gratitu tbe w oe 0 01'00 Baronet for his proposition of taxing . 0 t bat:• cp re d ,t . oiis. estates in Ireland who slid not reside I _ o a ppea,, f 'orll'orti would act as an absentee tax; and it al"- of that .u .0 ,,,erl ,',. to that it • was desirable to Whatever, therefore, the Right II"' B at hos. b e fiet uae.4o, t i h r a el t a c n o d u f n r t o r m y. that H esotuhrocue ht toutlhde nßoitgihite acted wisely in not extending the _f e roti o t i l ht :f ts :e - i e s: mucll doubted whether, by its impositttjn!!! ca rried ..if; thereto/ a much areater revenue than would have 11 :3 1 a n rI GI:e i li r ia ::: ° :, 1 1: be code' s % x tteaS 1 0 anything of i tsl. e o c b?e ) c n t . iona li b e le d i i n d h i ether, by t _ yfeti.on, t t h o ou o g b ,h ta t in the t r h e e c l o a u 7 d es b t e increa o 4 ,o e 4,o t $ rot the dwy, the Govern awnt would r to _ ake any. , c y loi p i v o liot But he certainly had so me tln'e d ot ou ß b tihg ta ih e n g tk w e il i : e n. an p n os:i m bl: At the same time, he did not wish a _,e", , , the &t o n_ j/ er i , 1 that subject. There was another p r„._" wisbec i t. _a ortat to o ,i , rerelevgermea meant the "proposal of imposin taxgbted the policy ?f_ o por ~',41 coal. He confessed that he doubted the Right Hon. Baronet to whlc a to ne up „ ti the ! re fi r fe h ti ,:oo diminution of ,te r ; fin g 0 ,4 9 , sore, and he feared that the dßiarnriVnet . from sle l ias turl , l' o ftS would prevent the Right Hon. . . )2. l a cone , eo e Ato a tax from that s ource as he anticit teo Right Hon. Gentleman; and however those wi th ; a ttbo s el find himself compelled to differ to vote agai tle' to observe, that he approved on agreed,he would feel it his duty oti‘;:evwehr°lnie:cfhthbee:r" ° eg o: lit etc' e tj ti i4ti: GOO ally the t o g went to the resolution. Mr. R. PAL:VIER thought b e ruost sa t "l a s a 0 „e€ l man who had just sat down must he felt bolo wit h reor etr ib Government, stating, as he slid that he hear.) , jt4 h stl the speech of t- e , r c torY t O l - honour to support their measure.—(H ear, re t, ,,,,ib1e u' vfh tab o r v i to the income tax no one could be nto l e d to relie ve t t hat t iie dt athriasnenh,imthsaetlfpr; op b o u s t a l l te w f a e s lt th th e a be t i s r t t be" ir t j from its difficulties. It was not denioldf Li/ ~ t a ha,. - ' 0 ... e/ e ., f , was a deficiency of seven millionsa ndeavour to riontitof; Di and he thought the country would evils of the tax might be to a g for the wb . vial i at pet.ea:.e. axnigye:eYfheuagoettbe,,aii adopting a system of co soy _, , from that embarrassment. He thou e gr ht at th ede a s t ite f ba h at e t. /ire e ‘ o; He would concur in what had been ob