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Did you go into the room ?—Yes, abets they called for breakfast. Did you remain with the breakfast service in your own ro om ?___y es. And afterwards took it to the Princess's room?—Yes, I took it into the room of her .Royal Highness when itwas called fur.. How did th e y W a lk togethet, the Princess and Bergami, In what way?—They wet e walking together, (or sitting); in the hall of the Salle a Manger, or in the room of the Dame erlionneur. Did they walk together separately, or in what other man !ler ?—Sometimes alone, and sometimes the one spoke on one Ili dep sometimes on the other. • •• • - • Did they ',ass each other ?—They did not touch each other as far as I have seen ; but they were arm Itt arht.—(A laugh.) Did he ever see the Princess walk arm in arm with any ether person than Bergatui ?-- , -When the Vice-Governor came . to conduct her Royal Highness, she gave het right baud to b in], and her left hand to Berganti. Did th e witness make any observation on the two beds in t he apartment of the Princess, if both were slept iu, or uoly "e -?—They were both tumbled (or unmade). Ask the witness whether he made ans* observation ott the bed in the room assigned to Berganti I—Yes, he has. • Had that bed been slept in I—Never.. After Berganti went away, did lie make any observation on the sheets of the bed assigned to Bergami ?—The sheets Were Put on clean, and taken away clean, Hots nowt chamber utensils were there in the bed-room of her Royal Eiighne,s I—Two. Did he observe if both were made use of ?—I say so—Yes. Were either of the.twu empty ?—They were very full. Was there more than one basin fur Washing in ? , -- , Tilere were Levu. bid both appear to have been used or only one do not r emember; hut many .* Was witness present when her Royal Highness went away. I was. How did she go away ?—The same way as she arrived. Lid Bergami go watt her ?--Yes;.in the same .open carriage. Cross-examined kij Mr. WILLIAMS. • When did thesuite follow about a quarter of an hour, ur oat quite so much. Has the witness any doubt about her Royal Highness re rottining five or six days at Trieste ?—Six days. And no more ?—No mute. As you remember the number of days, do you remember .4e days of the week ?—kie does not. Ur th e tray she cause, or the day she .went ?---',Nfts, I do tint ; If somebody had told me I might hare remembered. . As 114,, is ~„•„„ t i me 1 , 40 , possibly his memory is not full. S ' - 'hciittr-General—Dud his room, of which he has spoken, "Pin l • ' •• otoa he di n ing room, yes orato ?—lt was a secret door, th'it could not he koown tool)) , body in the dining room. • no you remember how your dour was in .the room ?-y es, TcrY•s;ell.. • . . Wns that part covered with tapestry, or haw — let him ex plats it ?--It was covered with painted •cativas ----- e Which covered the whole of it, so that a perso n in the .„ . "ling•ttron could not tell that- t was odour all?----No, they s'Llidd not. It was quite impossible for a person in the dining-room to 'cover try any sentptom it was a.door ? • - }i,, tilljected. to, and the form altered to ‘! Was it. quite int &e.r—lt was impossible, except to one of the lilousehold. as not the reason of its being, impossible, because the `lcor was entirely covered With canvas?—Yes.. • I• 4en i I meant IM surprise), if I understand hint rii . .Tht, no c. `"ligur could fluid a door therein,: liet,•sittsts it Was entirely 'vel ed with canvas ?..—Yes. entirely . covered. tLjr you still' agent,:or - whateeee - you tre called, at te Ili Hotel at Trieste am after taking the Inn which hs railed the Black Eagle. If Ldo'not gain my trial or law tilt shalt remain Where I ton, in the Grand Hotel. is • he still ;went aye or tor, at the Grand Hotel am not. aln't.-to..atts-. • • • e the Inn -is exposed to• auction every nine years. llhr lease is expired, att d des not know if toy principal will brit th e lease or not., which belongs to the corporation. As tht agent. of the Grand Hotel, was it his. business to %%sit tin the guestS ineveieilied.' Tant alwayS head Waiter. Was ow his chief business to attend - on guests?—Both one and other. POth What •?—,As I ant the oldest servant in the house, I "ow the roles of the house better than any other person iu t b" family, toad you any other servants under you had two mien, "ate, andßemento EuStache under my orders. • 'Then youhad the inanag‘ement, the superintendance , and a ssisted 4 ;AS a waiter besides ?—All the a ff airs of the family I • ;; I 'detl t to. ~.s ite ,there any female •-- attendants' in the room ?One, she Is called Maria Mora. him if he means that the dour No. 4, was tint astend servants at night ?—No, they had nothing to do e with it. q u ,: " the door fastened by any body belonging to the ti •4 't the Princess Or Berganti ?—This Ido ti ut y e . o know t p1 4 , A ; : . 1 4 what he ,means. 'Was No. 4 fastened by th e 1 10 "Is or by 'himself ?--•It was ' shut by themselves, but not know whether 'hy thrill or by the suite. e xai ;`long after the Prioeess was. at Trieste was he fi rst f ore ir d on this subject ?—I think about three years be vas" examined, two years and a half or three years. %., i u . o "lave said that a ~, , r ent number of guests came ,to the tot I t • ot el. es. tin t chief inn for travellers in that place ?—lt is the tat inn, A,7 1 the end of two and a balf.or. three years, who was it vitae I , liiircl:.to you to, tell what you had seen ?—Some one ladint•at the inn, who aiked use, how did the Princess u h'' U cl- ben L .ll . 1 Answered, I I cannot comphitt, she has . E hayed .; • 1 re y 6 ll been at Milan ?—Yes. ~ ?—kive or six times.. • t multi yman is he?—(lnaudible.) atthi,% h , e nt Milan to speak as to what be knows on this —Yes , about eighteen' months ago. • •t v l °• - was there ?—Colonet Brown. ~• lawyer was there ?—He is here, I do not know his anie. Is it , • Politic, or Powell ?"--No. I'ls Counsellor Cooke there ?—There was one there that • • I ,!lPosed to be a 'Milanese. % i.ct . e. you examined at Milan ?—Yes. • • for, -"nd Yotir evidence e taken in writing ?—Yes, what I said , be- I Fay her. •ar, • • 10, rriv )ou been examined by the English Lawyer since you td in England ?—No. • • 4 „ 11 . 49 ha ysou, exam nd ined you ?--"By the samelawyer, in the pre ' i‘t e n i f a t . tvo other gentlemen. , - was that?—Oa the second or third day after my 413 " kit r lung • - flar e you been . here ?—I don't know. I think • • - • • ' r - ~.41,1 a o brought 'you here ?—Signior Capper. ' •Liok„ being you alone, ur with others ? — I went as far as th e : tine with a certain Aurtuize, who has been three time.i at ten to fetch m e . av e" You had any money .'—l • '-1 did not wish for any, b ut. . • e me some. • .t t .t• ta ve mid not wish t for any P—Pfe told me to take this, and • A h n ,,le eiht gold Napoleons . I ti T t wee his—You did not wish' for any money ?-No. its writ fact, that your evidence given at Milan was taken k ngs, and that you have since ;fern examined here ?- 1, nav e •11' : qrts t • •' • It,a4 l l ' is not true that the door of Bergami opened into, 1 :4, 1 . 1) g -room, but into the room of the Count, :s of Oldi ? t9 itati.'ulieitor-General.—That is an assertion , lot an inter-' Mr". Cr o Will' ss, o , tarns,--I have heard q uestions Si, put 500 times in Th e 'altiit - o ion. • ' La rd 'Pllcitor-ti e neral still ohjected to the question. i ta t - ivEttetion- put it to their Lordships it it was fair do 'l'l e tu.inner what a winless had morel said. a ble CuaNcraa.ou.decided that assertion was L llow- Nr, l i t , t c ...s - exisittinat ion, while interrogation on:y could be tr u ,u, exanno,tion in chief; but the assertion Must & l ir % h e what the witness had said. Sht 11 2, 1 ° 1 . 1 . 3ms explained his object in pressing the question, uf 4 4,7_ l icitor-tieneral observed, that the whole arose out (i t , n s t l e ke of his in putting a question which led the Learn the .11.5,1 faneythat there was a difference het weeti fact, P sltlon of the witness and his evidence, which had, in existen ce putt4t4l,liatus abandoned his irregular arguments ; and after ,•." 41( 19estions, the result was that Berg: snit's door ~outtre ss room, but into the room of the to their Lordships, what was the last it is Ijl Kho :,r, iced belore the Princess of Wales at your inn? flaw ; '"ute for Ille tu remember. remember one per c:4l,,ilp,',...rrot, inanntacturer of watches al Neufchatel. s t 'Al, the. party that came to the lost after the. "cte a ,•_ ( :. 4 • 1.5 cannot remember. If I were at home in which all is put dowu. Was the Princess tit Wales at yolir inn during A Stiltday du nut remember.. .. • You do nut know it/hr was theie on a Sunday, the day she arrited; or the day she left 1-1 do nut remember ; the whale is put down in a book which h at Triest . e. Did the Princesslro to the Operu at Waste ?—Yes. Has the Princess been at the inn more than once?--\'o, only once. Did you ewer see her at Trieste more than once ?—She passed through Trieste, and atterwalFs un order came she was coining no wore. • Re-examined by the SOLICITOR-GENERALi Witness has mentioned a servant . named Maria Mora ; where is she now?--It is reported she gone to Jerusalem ste came to beg something to go to Jerusalem. How long ago is that ?—Last spring, to the best of my re collection. . Have yott ever seen her since p—No. There was a servant in the house named Cesar; wheke is he?-1 don't know; I sent hint to Arititze. When did you see bins ?—About three years ago. Was not that the person who exaniineit you in this Coun try?. (pointing to Mr. Maule, the Solicitor to the Treasury•) Was it taken in writing ?—I think so. I do not remember. What party came to the Grand Hotel at Trieste before the Princess with a large suite ?—I - le remembers none. How long has witness been absent from Trieste ?-1-le left Trieste on the'2Bth June. Ask witness whether, by his absence froM his business, he sustains any foss ?—Cunsiderable loss. Is that loss mere than 8 Napoleons and I I francs ?-1 would derite more profit in my own house. Witness said the door was covered with canvas, how did he see into the'dining room ?—He said he could see through the kev-hole. • Question from-a, Peer.—Did the Countess of Oldi's bed ap pear to tie slept 'in - every night ?—Nobody'could sleep in that bed, because it was too small. Where did the Countess of Oldi sleep ?—She slept in No. 3. DUI the bi! iit No. 3, appear to have beta slept in every night.-It did. The Marquis Of Buckingham—Did the bed in No. 1, ap pear to be•slept 4...v6y night?-Yes, because there was a boy mid a girl. Then was Bergami's lied the only one that was not slept in during the residence of the Princess at Trieste ?—No other, because the sheets were taken away in the same situation ess they were put in: Wasihere uy appearance in Berganii's roo►n, either from the * *, or any other circumstance,, of any one's having slept there ?—That is possible, I believe something, for it is possible.that when he went to make his toilette he put some- thing in the * * Lord Liverpool—The witness 11114' Stated that the secret door he has spoken of was all covered over with canvas, and yet that there was a key hole. Will he state how there could be a key hole; whether it was cut through the canvas as well as the door. per Majesty's Counsel objected to the manner of pdtting this question, and his Lordship immediately vari:d it as fol lows pid the canvass which covered the dour cover the key hole arsn'?—ln smite :little- manner as it a knife had passed through it. There, was then a small bole through the canvass ?—Yes. COuld it be easily seen from the dining- ru'om ?—Yes ; very well. Wocild'it have appeared like a key hole, or only a hole in the canvass, seen from the dining-room ?—Smaller than a key hole, about one half. Was the dartr shut, or locked ?- - --Locked. • How long were you waiter at the Grand Hotel at Venice ? —Froin the moment it was' open—nint'YearS on the lith of October.' ••• A Peer front the gallery. There is a key, shew that key. Interpreter—He - bas put into my hand this key, and says the key at the secret - dobr isa little narroWer than ' ' Was there 7 sitiVdtme under the canvass ?—Yes! -• ' Was there a key hole the canvass ?—Tlis2re was a hole Omagh the canvass from one side to the other, which could With difficulty ini - distovered 'front the salle d manger' by a stranger. Earl Grey—Lwish to know whether the canvass over the (loin was louse Or:fixed to it ?—lt' Was fixed by' nails. - - Was there not then another separation ?—There Was.' Could it' riot be'Rein by person frown, the dining room ?—. It cannot be known. The MarCitiess - of LaNsnovra—l wish the witness to be asked whether he' Made use of the secret door for. the pur poses of passing and repassing in ordinary cases, .or whether he used it only on particular occasions ?—Sometimes he used it : according as it might snit him. Does he know if he ever used' it during the six days that the Princess remained at the Inn ?—He had no need—he never did. Earl GenivENrirt.—Was the test of the room covered over with the same sOrt'of canvass as the door ?—No— only my door. What does he suppose to he the thickness of the door ? About the thickness of his•thumb. Does it open inwards or old Wards ?—lt opened sometimes into my room, and sometimes into the salle a manger. The I.tan ettaXcet.t.oaTlte, witness has said that his tak ing the Inn:, the Blabk 'aeltended . opon bis.gaining this t r ial; or this law-suit. I wish the witness to .say what he means, and if ' he alludes to the issue of this trial or some other. Witness in answer--I sent in a memorial to get the inn for some protection, •4iia I Wait till it is known if I or some other inn-ketiper‘get the inn. What do you mean by protection ?—To get the inn, as an other wished to get it, and I paid 290 pounds. • Earl llosEaealtv—Witnels has said that he did not wish to receive money for coming here, and he'also has said that he 'suffered' loss. I wish to know why be' did not wish to receive the money ?—Because I have money of my own. Witness has said that I3ergaini did not sleep in his own heel, do you know what bed he slept in ?—I suspect in No. 2, the Pt incess's room.—(Order.) Do' you know whieli'bed Bergami slept in ?—Question with drawn. Lord ELLENBOuonGit—When yon went out 'of the secret tooth did you draw it after you, or did you push it tO?—When I come out of the room, I push the door to the dining room, and when 1 5 0 hack, I poll it towards me, as Igo in. - How highs was the' secret door ?---About six feet (witness described.) Was the, room painted all over the sante colour.?—Yes. 'At the saute time ?-Llres. A PEettl - le has said the canvas 'was nailed on—was it nailed along - the 'top and bottom of the room ?—No, it was nailed round the door. L'orit'LoxGroitn=SOnie official perion ordered rooms to' be' prepared for the Princess 'befia'e , her arrival, was it usual for this person to order apartments to be prepared?—Only when letters were sent. Did this person give orders for any person, either a short time before or since the arkival of departure of the,Princess ? -LI believe not,. The CVansel. witnesses , &c. were then ordered tOwithdraw. Loret Viscount MELVI'LLE: rose to ask leave sif the House, the Learned Counsel on both sides coosenting, for Captain Pechel captain Ilrigp to absent themselves from - a strict, ainanfaure - on t Thursday' - next. Agreed to. [A female dressed in black, rather corpulent, and nPPa rentlyalatat 30 years of age, was,now brought in. She wove no cap, but had her hair dressed touch in the sante style, as it is at present worn here. She bad.a lace frill routed her neck, and air elegant black shawl throws t over her shoulders. She appeared to be greatly embarrassed by the nove:ty of her si-• I tition. The moment she was put to the Ilar,the'Queen en tered the House, and was received'in the .usual respectful darted a 0 tertnin al • dintimidating e an ;nor at he ll ,, r i r ti N w l s a ; i3ty G aa ' rge W. Gilterman, a G('ifnati, was•sworn to truly inter -I,ret, the evidence gi v en by the witness. - BarbaraCrantz,wife of Pe terCrantz,---Examined bJ ocral.—lnterpret er , the ATTORNEY-GENIIIIAL. itsk the witness where dues 'f-hsehAt.titic,:ren;H.7y It Carlsruhe. - Of what religion are yo u ?—A Lutheran. How long are you married'—'!'brier years. Before that time, did you live at the Post-inn, at Carlsrnhe? —Yrs. How long did you live there?-- - -One year and three viarters. Did you leave it in consequence of your marriage ?—Yes, I did. Dv you remember the Princess of Wales coming there ? Yes, I do. Di, you remember Bergami coaling there?—Yes, I do. About how lung is that since ?—Perhaps about 3 years. Do you remember in what Count the Princess slept while at the inn es, 1 - du. What was the number of the room ?—No. 10. What room adjOined No. 10 ?—No. 11. How was No. 11 used? for sleeping or eating ?—lt was a dining-room.. • ll'llat room adjoined No. 1), the dining-room ?—No. 12. What room was 'No. 12 ?—A bed-room. Who had it ?—Berganki. Was there a door going front No. In to No. 11 ?—There was. Was there also a dour froUt NO. 11 to No. 1 . 2 ?—Yes ; du ibte cine.=4The ititness explaintd that she meant folding doors.) ~ .. ~ What sort of bed was placed in No. 12 ?—A broad bed. ' Was it there before? or was it placed there-.iii conS4guence' of the arrival of the Princess ?—There was another bed there 'before, butt was ordered to put a Woad one before the Prin cess arrived. Hid the Princess arrived before the other bed was removed ? —The courier had arrived to prepare, fur the Princess, and then I was' ordered to put this bed into the room. ~ Was it your duty to attend the inn as chambermaid ?—Yes, it was. , . How long did . the Princess remain at the inn ?—I cannot say exactly the tinisi; hut I think about a week or 8 days. Do you rcnientber;to any evening during the Princess's stay, to go to No. ti, and carry sotaC water there ?—Yes, dO".. About what time in the eftoing ?—Perhaps between 7 and S o'clock. Mr.. linotuntoot here rernarke4 that a gentleman near bins who understood the German language, had very pr(!perly ob served, that the interpreter did nut translate the words lite rally; for instance, that the witness said, " I can't tell" be fore she said " perhaps between 7 and 9 o'clock." The Loan COANCELLott then desired the interpreter to repeat all the words used by the witness. The witness then gave her answer.—l can't tell exactly, but to the best of my memory it was between 7 and S o'clock in the evening. Do you recollect where the Princess and Bergami had dined that day ?—I can't recollect. • On carrying the water to No. t 4, who was.in the room ? 7 --- The Princ►ss and Bergami. Where was Bergami when you went in ?--Bergatui was in bed. Where was the Princess?—She. was sitting on the bed next bins. Could you see whetherßergami's chrthes were on or off ? I could not see ; but the moment I entered Bergami's arm was wide. • .- • Where did you see his arm ?—When I entered Bergami had hip arm round the neck of the Princess, and when I entered he let • Can you describe his dress ?—I cannot tell that. - What did the Princess do on your entering the room ?—The Princess had jumped up, and was mulch frightened. What did the Princess do when she saw you enter ?—She had then jumped up. Do you mean to say that the had jiimpe.4 up, or that she did jump up on your entering the room ?' The witness repeated her former answer, the. literal transla tion of which, the interpreter said, was she got up, or she rose." . - . Mr. BROUGHAM -saidi that a gentleman- near him, and no more connected with this case than any of their Lordships, had complained of the interpretation of the answers. But when asked td come forward and , correct the interpreter, he replied' he would not intermeddle in such tvbusi ness. The doubt in thiS manner cast upon the inter.= preter's -qnswers- 'led to some conversation', be tween' the Counsel on both-sides and: their-Lord ships, respecting:the propriety . of having another person 'Who Understood- - the 'German language preSent tO'clieek - the interpreter, as was the case with the Italian interpreter. - , •,, - Mr. BROUGHAM said, that he would object to any but' a'sivorn interpreter ; the Attorney-pe tieral had -put his 'qUestion: twice over to - the in - - terpreter upon 'not. getting from , him the answer that suited -him. . The ATTORNEY-GENERAL appealed to their Lordships against the Insinuation which had'heen More' than once - -levelled - against hitn. The' Learned . counsel aid .that the interpreter-had given an answer which did hot suit: him (the Attorney'LC-en'eFal):` What' did 'he mean by the ? had here a duty east upon. him by their Lordships, and he - wished to conduct the duty intrusted to him fairly, and. honourably, and justly. If the interpreter should mistake any words, let the mistake be explained, or let a more fit person to interpret be procured ; but do-'not suffer the' Learned Counsel to ascribe motives to himiyhich he had- not ; or to say-that any answer would not - suit him; his only:object Was to getat'theiruth.' • • - • Mr. BnatithrAst-diiclahned any intention of casting any aspersion or ascribing any'motive to any one. If he did ascribe a motive, he should ; be prepared, when the proper' time . that suited: him came, to justify the imputation of that' mo 7, tive. But here he had cast no aspersio n . The' whole of the interruption that had taken place was of the Attorney-General's, own seeking. -It was, said Mr. Brougham, " he, not I, who caused that interruption." The ATTO R N EY-GENERAL fmy Learned Friend did not mean to impute a motive to me, why have said the answer did not suit me ? Mr. BROUGHAM—I repeat, that saying the an swer did not suit you was not imputing any ob jectionable ;motive. The Marquis ,of liucKlNGhAm here rose and said, that the presence of their Lordships ought to restrain any Connsel, from presuming to impute improper motives to another Counsel employed in the ease, - and ordered to prOceed in it by their Lordships.—(lf ear; 'hear !)—IIe - hoped, there fore, that the. Learned Counsel - `would be now instructed. by their Lordships : net to .presume to assert that other Counsel were not actuated by as pure motives as he was hiniself.-- 7 --(ileari) Earl GREY was sorry that any thing had oc curred which looked like a bickering . among the Counsel at the Bar, and still more that it had excited the attention of their - Lordships, 4 9 , 'should, however, object:to . the instruction gested by the Noble . Marquis; because !he thought no such instruction was necessary, and that. it could not be given by their Lordships' without implying an iMputationhpdu the Counsel receiving. it, which in this case being- - undeserved, .would be unfair. He did . not understand the Learned Counsel to. impute improper motives to the Counsel at the other side. lie 'certainly un derstood him to say, that the answer given by the witness did not suit, but he did not under stand the expression to be intended, improperly. Ile, however, hoped that tic Counsel at both sides would, in the perforManee of - their respec2 tive duties, preserve a becoming sense of temper,: and carefully abstain from Any expressions which were calculated to interrupt that coolness and decorum which he trusted it was' the . anxious de sire of all parties should characterise the whole of -their proceedings in this case.---(Cries of hear, ,hear!) The Loun CnAscELLon then ordercf: that the sworn interpreter should be desired to repeat the answer given by the Witness, first in German, and next in English. The questions were again put to the witness in the following manner you came into tine roam where was the • Prinettss ? Sitting on the bed. What did her Royal liighnes do on your going into the room ?—The Princess was frightened. [Some difficulty litre egaio occurred tespecting the unlit ing•intcud. d to he conveycd I.sy the witness j Did the Plincess grt up; or junkp qv, in the . presence of the witness ?—Wlirti tentered; tliel'rineess had got, ufl.. [Here again some objection .I‘t•as taken .to the - interpteta-,, tion put by the interpreter upon the answera of the witness.l, The Interpreter expressed an anxitiiii desire to explain th:e answers as tbe.witnesses intended to Clotivey them: The wards, he said,. used by the witness, and iti whjcli 7stated that tine, Princess was , in the act of rising wherksbtite,eerekt room. were, in dcr hehe, which literally means; in a state of beim; high." . . _ _ _ The Bishop of PETEprPOROUGH said, he hoped : their Lordships woultrexcu.se him for interrupt ing their proceedings, anckstating, that in his opi nion the interpreter did i not give the. translation of the German . words...in the English •language with the faithful meaning .which the idiom : .of both languages required, • The German words were certainly not rendered suitably in the Eng lish words used by the interpreter. His transla, tion was not as faithful as ; it might be. . Lord HOIiDAND Said ;that) . under the circum stances in which they wer, placed, they ought to have a sworn. interpreter,' to interpret the words of a witness with the , utmost precision. The LORD CI,LANCELPOR: desired that the Coun sel at the opposite side.should, furnish a German interpreter, to check the.-other- interpreter, as in the case of the Italian one who had recently acted. Mr. BROUGHAM said, that he must object. to the sense of any words of a witness being taken,,. through .the medium of any other person than a sworn interpreter. He was not at this. moment prepared With such a person ; he hoped, there fore, their Lordships would delay the examina tion of this witness until he could procure a suit able interpreter to correct and check th.per....441 - provided by the Counsel at the oppoSite side., The ATTORNEY-GENERAL. said,• that he had, another interpreter< ready,. if their ,Lordships.slid not deem the present person competent. Mr. BROUGHAM said, that he was_ not ready with one to check this:new interpreter, and he hoped that, until he was prepared, their .Lord ships would not proceed•with the examination of this witness..- • . . • -; •- The 'Earl of LivErtroor. said . , that if a_ sword interpreter, when produced, did not give proper satisfaction in the discharge of his duty, the op posite party ought to be callod upon;:or at least such he thought)fa's the 4ourse of proceeding, N.) furnish another. He still thought that the pro duclion:ortyneWlnterpreter Must- .be grounded on some objectiOn.taken.tO the preceding- one. • N J man -was Tnore - tompetent 7than' the. Right R eve , rend . Prelate ato judga'Of the fitness pf, preter tO perform hi§ duty.;'-and he thought that, without going-.further, - enough had occurred t.) justify` their Lordships' . in calling' upon the oppo— site:Counsel-for another,interpreter: Lord GRENVILLE observed, that a word ma have two meanings, .and in : such. a case it was clesiraklez4hat the interpreter should state to enahle_their, Lordships to ascertain from a wit iiegs ,which-of the, two he meant to deliver. If -the interpreter had,' hOwever. made a mistake ia. translating words which any, tCoble Lord was of opinion-had 'olie meaning, then hesthought that the persii&disCoveriug - , the error was Kight, was indeed bound to apprize their Lordships . oT the circumstance. lie felt therefore obliged 'f",i the Right Rev. Prelate for cautioning them against the.errors into- _which- they. might be led,hy,_tha present interpreter. The Lotto; CRAlieti.ir.oa called uppn the Counsel for the Queen to produce-anotiniF Inter ,prefer. , 17C Mr. BROUGHAM said it :was: no fault 0414 that she was not prepartdAt the moment with.a Grz man 4 410 ifike tCr . 11e; had this-day expected none but Italian witnesses, and had accordingly pre pared 'himself with only an Italian interpreter. The difficulty in which. he wai_now placed, ant which had caused an interruption in _their'. Lord - ships proceedings,. was-the consequeuce _of the decision:of their Lordships, the Wisdom-pf Which he did not now presume , to question,.lv, whip h he Wag" refused a list mot, only orthemankea, but even of the, places to which thechar,ges,Applied. It was the ignorance in which he was thgs kept that left him unpreparedWithra ~..errow inter- .prete r :at this .fflinne 11 t. first wit nctiff SIAK . e re Italian, the next was a ,German, and .perhaps after • that witness was done with,, (Mr.' Brougham) would, on . the spur of : the momettt .upon-; for , a T nitiSlary a TnrkiSh, a. Greek, or an. Egyptian inteyproi!•Ori.if9o9 all these: countries the Queen,Jtad been : .wa,s al Tunis, Athens,' Egypt, and tlte Holy Land; and :from all these.- places ,he ,proAutpe4"to conjecture that interpreters would Aig il yegyiretl. This was.. the difficulty iMposed . upuit 'her Ma jesty's Counsel by, the ',refusal. of their LOrdsltlo3 to furnish a list of. the places to w hi c h, .chattet referred.. : • . . The ATTORNEY-GcNBRAL replied,, that his Learned. Friend could not, with juAVce;Voiniilaiu. 'of being taken• unawares•respecting tllß.neCessit of a German interpreter, for,he had, - .his s open ing speech, distinctly, alluded to -a cicckunstance co'ccurrin;9; at Carlsruhe. _ Mr. BROUGHAM hoped . his •Learned.lriend would save the trouble of any future - inistali — by stating .to what country. his next witne.ss. s he,-' longed. • . . • . The ATTORNEY-GENERAL made nO'repl:Y: .• The Earl of MonLEy: said, lira' thettietti.r , way at present would be to call,zon.the , lnt4ppro. ter for a further explanation of the words u.se. k i by the witness, and repeaffhe German; to !Jaye. it heard by such of, their Lordships ..- as under-- stood_that. language. The Duke of lIAmILT - ox said,„that ao-tiao. Counsel for her Majesty were, unprepared .at: 'this niOnient;with a German Interpreter, and a . s no' blame whatever attached to then], under die circumstances, for not provided with such tt person,, he thought their. Lordships had better postpone the further examination untilto-1nor: row. The Earl of LivEnpool. saidi he saw no, ob jection to a reasonable delay,' if . required by . the Counsel. ' • Earl Gary concurred . with his Noble Friend (Lord Grenville), that it was quite impossilileTdr any Noble Lord to' hear a mistake committed:by ~~.. ;, _The each .d the kr was led at ttoyal Et at' table ed hi 1 have 1111. sad froal ►n her to he"; board havLu ,Id I 1 and it )II it t? inj 1 CaP. l . - ss sa Lt dos o Luilib! v atio boll'''. a'•)0' 0