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made in t►►e Fmeign Department ; but a stin greater reduction might be made. lie also con -siderc(l that great reductions might be made in the Siorekeeper-General's Department. ft was not his intenti..n to submit any motion to tlie Ilonse on tbe subject : but be caned on it to con sider all matters ut redoc' ion. Mr. WARD Sail, the Hon. Member had not pointed out any particitlar offices which he wished to be ps:t down. lie had stared, that 19 Foreign Offices, connected with the Ordnance, had beet, Mot dnovn by the Master-General. and that surely proved that the Noble Didte was sincere in his wishes for economy As a set-off against this Teductino, the Hon. Member had mentioned the miserable case of four y oime men being allo.eed 451. a year as half-pay, who bad been terned out nf bread, their offices being suppressed. The Him. 6- or knian had compared our present situa tion with that of 1792 ; but would any mars say that the two periods were,at all similat He must know that the pay of the military was now nearly double. lie compared the Estimates of 1788 with tho s e of thepreseutAay ; anal contended that we bad 5000 men instead of 3000 ; we had a Driver Corps whieli'diel .not diets exist, and tee had also a more efficient Sapper and Miners Corps now. The state of the -Empire had greatly altered. We bad 15 or 16 new Colonies; besides the gun-wharfs of the Navy, which Mete under the Ordnance Department, had been doubled. There was an army belonging to ns in the lonian Isles, which ought not to he stifferecl to strirve ; but if the Ho nourable Gentleman would get them the 30001 flout any other source they ‘vonlil be very oriels obliged to hint, It was well known that the Go- Yet omen, was obliged to purchase gunpowder where they could. 'lie consequence. was, tha.t soaoy complaints were made of it *n the American war. Government then established manufactories of gunpowder, and since that time there hail been tto comp!ain!s, anti we had now the hest gun powder in the world. It would not he worth while to throw away the 300,0001. which the ma nufactories coat for the saving of 10,(}001. a year. 7 Mr. CREEVEY condemned severs} items in the Estimates, but principally are charge for the•for. tific.4tions in Barbadoes. These, he c , ,ntended, ought to be provided for out of the 42- per Lents ; turd he read an Act of the Aisemistv of Baibadoes to that eifect. But the 4-1 per Cents %vete dis posed of another way. Sir Charles Long. bad a pen.ion of 15001. a year out of them.. Sit Honig Popham had ;j(,ol.—(an Hon. Member called " For what services and Mr. C. anskveted that he did not think it necessary to go into that matter Fulke Grevillr, Lady Mansfield and others, had annuities nti ihem ; and instead of being devote.} to the reparation of those forts,' they found their way into the pockets of these Ladies and Gentlemen. fie asserted that this Was a misapplication of the fund, and 1.4114 what bud been go misapplied mast be gives back again. The result of the management was that they (Parliament) gave English money for rrraiittain ing iii fortiiiicatious-, anti other local purposes, in the Leeward Islands, while site amount which ought ro he appropriated to those objects passed into the pockets of others. Such a proceeding would not be long endured. In 1812 be had brought before the House the enormous emolu ments of two Noble Lords who held the offices e,t Tellers of the Exclitqn, r; but his mo!i ,, n had been almost kicked our. He was told of veced interests and rights, and his proposition met a very unfavourable reception, only 45 Gentlemen voting for it. But all E.:gland was with him, though .the Noble Lords were protected by tire •Hoose, and the consequence was, that a Noble Lord goon after found it expedient to resign a portion of this extravagant salary. He mention ed this as a parallel case to the present. The House might sanction the mis.applicatiun of the 4 per cents. but the voice of the country would ultimately force them to redress the evil. For himself he would oppose the grant in every stage, anti it be failed in defeating it, would submit a specific motion on the subject of this loud. The Hon. Gentleman also questioned the authority on which a pension of 120 W. was paid by the Ord nance. thou:it he did not object to the propriety of the pension itself. Mr. WARD would not now enter into a debate on the great question of the Civil List, which had been decided by large majorities. Besides, the question of the Leeward Islands was open to the Hon Gentleman's animadversion, and he might make on it what motion he pleased. The Ord nance Estimates was a totally distinct thing from the half-pay and superannuation lists. The CHANCELLOR of . the EXCHEQUER depre cated the observations made by the Hon. Member (Mr. Creevey) respectiLg a Nobleman who had resigned an office secured to him by every obliga tion of justice and of right. It was a magnificent act which ought to call forth the admiration not only of England, but of the world.—(Cheers ) But it appeared that the Hon. Member took credit to himself for forcing two Noblemen to a resignation by the cogency and weight which his; arguments had with the public. This conduct he could not help thinking both unfair and uncandid on the part of the Hon. Member, and certaioly it was such as won't: be no inducement to others who held situations to follow the example of t he distinguished individual who had so nobly relin quished his just tights, from his magnanimous regard to the public interest. But he (the Chancellor of the Exchrquet) -could assure the Honourable Member that the arguments be h ad offered on a former - occasion hart had no influence whatever with the Nobleman in question ; nor was it likely that what he had said to• Light would stimula.e the patriotism of airy person who might be otherwise disposed to make a generous sacrifice of a similar nature. He , did not envy the lion. Member his triumph over the feelings of such a man as the Marquess of Camden—a man who would go down to the ad miration and gratitude of posterity. The Right Hon. Gentleman then adverted briefly to the sub ject of the 4?- z . per Cents., contending they were, from established usage, disposable at the wiil of tine Crown. Mr. HUME denied that the 4 Food had been accounted hereditary revenue of the Croy, n from 1719 to 1786. Till the latter yr,ir they were licld to be public revvnue. Mr. BENNRT Also argued that this {4041 WA% misapplied. In the case of the late Duke of Ginn cester, when it was in a low sate, his pension was tetnoved from it, and charged on the Conso lidated Fund ; but when it became more produc tive, there was no such thing as the pension re rerting to irs original source. lie considered his Hon. Friend (Mr Creevey) to he entitled to the approbation he had claimed for procuring the st4a render of the immense pettrisites of a Noble Marquess, as Teller of the E‘chever. _ Lord (.ASTLFREAOH commented with mole) Rni tliatiot) on the line pursued by tire two llon. Members opposite (Mr. Crcevty and Mr. !-lame) upon this subject, which hail so indelicately been introduced. They' sought to embitter the cop of enjoyment which that Noh!email enioyed iron} the consciousness of having done tin act which entitled him to the deep and lasting gratitude of his country. tie sacrificed, perhaps„ the interests of others to prove how much he had the public welfare at heart. In the stalinn he filled, when he ma d e t h a : sactifice, he was not to be affected by the storms of part yr, or thedissent ions of politics; his in come and the place he filled, were recognized as his legal property, to which he was as well entitled as to any other inheritance. Yet he was ready to forego s uch great advantages that he might prove his devoted attachment to his country. The Noble Lnid made some further observations to the same t ffect ; and, in conchssion, reprehended, with much warmth, the manner in which the subject had been introduced. Mir-ToN paid A tribitte to the disinterected pat 4M iStil of the late Lord Catniko,'Atttl said that his deseentlittit, the present Noblerrrio. was entit led to the rrap,cl and veheratioo of the Empire. After some fur. her ifi..eussion, ict Whieir Mr. Tr. vrl*yfie. Mr. 3. Stnifh, Mr. Crv.evey, Mr. Lcrkh3rt, Mr. 1V and Nlr. Gipps partici-- paled. ti , e ReNitlttiion was agreed to ; as were the following :- 50.5041. I 95.. 2d. for the umprorpded expences of the °Ni -1-1.2,41(3! In I 8! 8. 9,4 iol. its. for the nnprovided expence, of the. Ordnance in 181. 5,0001. for the expences rethiction. I ,9stil. 2g. 6t . 1,4 the expenses of the Ordnance in Ire land. 802,94344. Is. I Id. for allowances to superannnated, retired, and hid f-piNry ()Ili, rus ; to ()dicers toy good services ; to , super :in:mated men ; :Also fat( pensions to. widows and children of deceased odic...is, &c 18,8331, 18, 5,1. for broken veriod.s of unprovided super anntra.tions and allooTrnee*. 33,8261, 13s. 7d. tor superanottatioris and allow:tor:es to civil fifiierrs of the Os(lilance. I2s. 11d. for broken periods of unprovitled soperan. trtiat ions and allowances to civil officers of the Ordnance. i 1,7541. ss. 9d. for retirtat officers of the late Irish Artil lery :Ind Engineers, and pensions to witiow4. 4,.48h1. is. lei. for sitperannuations, and half pay to civil office's of the lrix : h Ordnance, pensions to widows, &c. [Fur the IteruiUnder of tt►e Yrwreetling* of the House of COM mons, sett the Fourth Pagel LONDON JOU R N ALS. FROM THE MORNING PAPERS OF THIS D.W. {Morning Ckronk/e:1 THE QUEEN—We ii. , derst•nd, tkot pn conse quence of her MAJP.STY'S request a yacht is order. ed to proceed to Calais to convey her to Dover. NVhatever difference of Opinion may exist as to the question at issue between the King and Queen, it seems clear th it from the course pursued by Mi• niitets no Alternative was left to the Queen. TO have remained abroad, would have been regarded as a COriiproMiSe for mimey. She must cone to face the accusations that are made against her, where , er she may afterwards tie disposed to take up her residence. [Morning Post.) Tug QUHEN. -- We understand that Mr. Brougham set ont for Calais on Thursday, to meet tier MasesTY at that place. It is but ins tire to this Grinleman to acknowledg e , that he has uniformly given the besi possible advice to her Majesty ; at least we have been thus re peatedly and positively assured by some of his most intimate friends. In an angry article its an Everting Paper of yesterday, it is most erroneously stated, that Ministers have thrown innumerable difficulties in the way of adjusting the settlement rendered necessary with regard to her Majesty. So far from this being the case, every thing Libe ral, with respect to the rank and establishment of the Illustrious Female, will be freely conceded to her ; and even in the event of the country being agitated by any unpleasant 'peados* arising not o f so very delicate a subject, the utmost moderation and caution will be observed by Ministers. The whole object, as we have already observed, will be to uphold the Sovereign Authority and Ma jesty of the Throne in its just rights and dignities, to prevent as much as possible all indecorous dis cussion, and render all painful evidence unneces sary to support the process that may be insti tuted ; unless indeed a daring defiance, from sup posed want of proof, may make the production of it inevitable. We however still hope and trust that matters will not by any imprudence be driven to such an extremity. The Public will do us the justice to acknowledge, that we have never in any instance forced upon them the consideration of this unpleasant subject. We have never, even in the slightest degree, adverted to it, but when we found ourselves called upon to undeceive the peo ple in regard to the erroneous assertions of her Majesty's pretended friends. Although accurately acquainted with the whole of the principal facts for upwards of three months, we have never in any instance otherwise alluded to them than for the purpose of exposing ignorance or correcting misrepresentation. We were among the earliest and most strenuous friends of her Majesty ; we defended her to the utmost of our abilities, when we considered that her character was unjustly im peached; and even now, under all the circum stances of the case, so far from having lost our respect for her, we never write a sentence re specting the Illustrious Lady but in the genuine spirit of friendship, and in an honest anxiety to guard her against the designs of the evil spirits livid] which she will not fail to he haunted and an noyed, if not greatly and lamentably misled, oil her arrival its this country. We have received advices from Havannab to the 22d of April. A vessel bad arrived /liege from Corunna, with the account of the King of Spain having accepted the Constitution of 18;2. The Grvernor, not having received any just.ruciicms. itre received this morph% the Paris Papers of Tuesday and Wednesday last. Those of Monday have riot yet come to hand. The discussion on the first article of the Election Projet, together with the various amendments proposed, continued through the Sittings of Monday and Tuesday in the Chamber of Deputies. On the last mentioned day the Chamber had to decide whether au amend ment moved by M. CAMILLE JORDAN, to the effect that the Deputies should be directly elected by the Colleges of arrondissement, or one moved by M. DELAUNAY OR L'Oaaa, having (or its object that the arrondissements should nominate the different candidates, should have the preee dence. There were present two hundred and Sky-five, and the scrutiny gave the priority to the amendment of M. CAM2LLE Joenivx, by a majority of one, the numbers being 125 to 127. The Keeper of the Seals then opposed, at consider able length, the amendment of . M. Csramr,a JORDAN ; and after some further discussion, the Debate was adjourned till Wednesday. The Chamkr of Peers met on Monday, and received the Report of the Committee on the projet re specting the Customs, the discussion on which was fixed for • Wednesday.—The following ate cx- tracts : " Pants, MAY 30.—Yesterday the Ambassa dors and Foreign Miniiters pail their respects to the King and the Royal Family. " The King gave a private audience yesterday to Don Pedro de Cevallos, late Spanish Ambas sador to the Court of Austria, who is returning from Vienna to Madrid. The Duke de Richelieu transacted business with his Majesty. The King, whose health is perfectly re-established, is ex pected to resume his promenades on Monday. " A t@legraphic dispatch announced yesterday the arrival of the Duke d'Angouleme at Metz. " A letter from Villeneuve le Roi (Yonne), states, that a Courier Wow the Queen of England, who passed through that town on Monday at midnight, stated, that her Majesty had arrived at Dijon. The Queen does not intend to pass through the Capital. Arrived at Charentort her Majesty will proceed direct to St. Denis, and will continue her journey to England. N.B. We may in-fact announce; that her Majesty was at Saint Denis yesterday about five in the afternoon, with a suite of three carriages. " The Maiquess de Santa Cruz, the new Spanish Ambassador, was expected at Paris yes terday evening. rivE PER CPSTS. Monday Tuesday • DEFERRED STOCK Monday. Tuesday. Of the 2 , 24 March, P 817.. 10-2 f. 85 c... 102 f. 90 c. 22d March, 1820....90 1. 90 1. 90 c. " YRUN, MAY 25 —Sir ilenry'Wellesley, the . English Andras:radar at Madrial, passed through here three days since on his way to Loudon.. " SANTA MAUaA, (lonian Isles)—MAßcH 14. An earthquake here on the 21st ult. did incalcu lable damage ; a great number of houses wete, thrown down, and others rendered uninhabitable, and ,many lives were lost. The greet fortress was partly demolished, awl the bridge over the lakes broken through in several parts of it. The roads are choked up with ruins. " CORM, APRIL 19.—A 304311 131FInd has been discovered in the neighbourhood of Savta Mawa, supposed to have been produced by the eartbehe. It has been named L erti a I e Rock. The Isla of Santa Ilatira is iu a most deplorable situaliol). The ground is in a Collt ititial State of oseillatioil "nil only a small number of houstellsave escaped being thrown down. " MADRIth, MAY 0 0 —Thert hove been co' l' derable disturbances at Saragossa, and a mill° commission has been established there to try seditious; the Archbishop is amongst the chiefs uE the insurrection." New York r .pers arrived this morning t° tbC 2d of May : New YORK, MAY ).—lnciiiiriet haying b ee° repeatedly made of 113 (says the-National geneer of Saturday, 29th April,Yrespectiog the tltr thority of the reports ita circoldlion of an inic r ‘ ruption of the intercourse between our Gavee ti4 went and tire Spanish Envoy Extraordinary, ' II think it proper to say, we have heard nothilig confirmatory of these reports, and that, iron' ‘ lll we can learn, they are, to say the least of tbc°f premature. Quebec T'ap ' ers to the /Sib Apia . , and Mont/ tat to the 23d Api ii, have arrived, but they do n°B bring any news. EExtract of a Letter from St. Thomas's, 5tlT Api l .3 6, We have a teport to-day s that the Patriot squadreof under the command of Admiral. Baum: and Cowl:1001 STAFFORL4 have captured the Royal Fleet, after a sil act conflict. The particulars of this engagement we ape t a ‘ l ‘ fully in possession of; it is thought here to be correct , the two squadrons were seen at no great distance W l° each other, by a vessel. which arrived seine days ag° Xf this is true, the poor Dons, will he completely done tW ei'4 We have heard nothing from-the Armies ) , bet expect 0414 accounts shortly. We learn from Porto Rico, that an ej3El bargo was expected to be laid there shortly; much roust nation prevails ; many meetings of the Heads of the Islatgl sll . the Governor's house. THE Queen.---It is said in an article tail from the Morning Post of this day, and insertr among our Extracts from the LONDON JotratiAq!,, that " every thing liberal with respect I / t he rank and establishment of the Illustrio ° Female will be conceded to her." We &'l° not that such will be the case if, after aft i gird tinily into the reports of her conduct a lytua 6l it shall appear, as we trust it will tippet° that her character has been basely slanderedi Such an atonement to her injured feelings a° reputation will be expected by a loyal and- gen t(' ous People, but otherwise it would be an in 544 1, to that people to increase their borthens on her count, unless she is found to -be fully deserving National respect, protection, and bounty. it is° impossible to avoid inquiry if s-he returns. attempt to bury the matter in oblivion, or i t° gloss it over, will not satisfy public expects. Lion. The 13ritilh are a humane and gen-erod ts 'but they are also a moral Prorle, and will re" quire the fullest proof that those -to whom tile if liberality may be extent-led are entitled to it, 1- 1 1° time strongest grounds of math and iu-stice. Lord PaLmaasToN was taken suddenly ill 04 night in the House of Commons, whilst addvessi ll t she House respecting the Amy Estituateti, l ° we are happy ro, observe, that his Lordship aft er' wards recovered, and went through with tlr4 Estimates. It is .stated in advices from Hanover, 41 °1 the 20th of May, brought by the Hans Ilail whkh arrived last night, that bi.s 1- 1 1 3 $ Highness the Duke of CAMBRIDGE is imepa r ' e ri to attend the Coronation of his Majesty -68. 61 % ;IV. in London, but that he will not be ac.cP7 panied by his Royal Consort. Her Royal-14 4 a 'less will, in his absence, proceed on a visit 4 01. ' Court of Cassel. His MAJESTY will return to town to-morrovio orders to that effect were received at the VA° of Carhon•house yesterday. The Doke of YoRK came to town yester d°l morning, about eleven o'clock, trona Oatlands', Princess AUGUSTA visited the Duchess of CIL °o CZ TER yesterday morning• th i Yesterday the Duchess- of CLARENCE, Duchess of KENT, the Princess SoPIIIA MATO" e O and the Princess FEonon, dined with the Pris e 0 AUGUSTA, at her Royal Highness's apartrogl) in the King's Palace, St. James's Park. IP Yesterday morning Prince LEOPOLD arriVet tow!) front Claremont. General COFFIN, the newly appointed Del" u e Governor of Si • Fletena, sails front io ship Bristol, bound for Madras. sr Yesterday, Pi ince and Princess EsTEBI 4O ly rived at their residence, Chandos House, tru lu fi :f MAJpsTY's Cottage, Windsor Park, wher e f have been on a visit during Ascot Heath itac es. o f THE CorioNATioN.—Yesterday a Committee Bj the Lords of his MA,IIiSTY'S Council asseinb led o• Whitehall to consider of the approsicbilp V le:unity. There were present, their Royal ' I ;„a vesses the Dukes ot Yoakt, CLAttSt 4 Cgo Cps GLOUCESTER, and Prince LEOPOLD Of Sgx e tc. bin , the Duke Of WELLINQTON, &C. 54C •'„ c il , We learn that it was arranged by the ( ,; ()11 '", r a' that the Peeresses should Out attend in the 1 0 ) 0 0 cession to the Coronation, which still re ' n. fixed for the lit of August. A 'll arencies variety o, appropriate transn, preparing to be exhibited on the e vening ° I: i •• M A.TESTY's Coronation, ‘vben a general ill°3ll lion Kill in all probability take place. , pre petty 11e ( 1e o 1 is ti e L d t N;T ei.s c:T H v e;le :. s: l,4 y i e n s e t o o l : ol , ‘ a . A.)sluy Lbw, 4etative to that event, atated, that as soon as be should receive the Kines orders, he should com ply with them whatever they might be. The peOple, however, in conjunction with the soldiers. forced him mud the wher Authorities to %Writ(' 10 the Couslitution. The greatest order pre . veiled during the whole ,of the time, and the • thiOes upon adverol articles have bee* reduced,— [British Press.] The private letters from the South of Ireland, received yesterday, abourd with details of the extreme Oistress product(' by the recent failures. One house concerned in the stuff manufac•ure, which bad 30,00 W. in one of the Cork Banks that failed, has since discharged 130 workmen. 'l'H EATRICA 1. It EGIST It. Pe)forntert Last TozAruc ROYAL, Mt PIY-LECIE.--Town and Country: Reif ben Glenroy, Air. Kean; Itusslie Somers, Mrs. Robinson. After which, Giovanni in London. THEATRE ROYAL, CovENT-GAnnim—Virgininv : Virginins, Mr. Abel-ratty; Icilius, Mr. C. Kemple; Vir,ginia, Miss 'Foote; Servia, Mrs. Fats 11t After whirls, The Battle of Bothwell Brigg. *** Fur University Itstelligence, see the Fourth Page. PRICE S'FOUKS THIS DAY AT Bank Stock 2241 3 per Cent. Red 3 per Cent. Cons shut 4 per Cents B66f s per Ct. Nary Ann shut 5 per Cent. Scrip. if pl._ ONE 0 ci,oCK. Bank LongAnn.l7/1.9-16ths India Stock• India Bonds .... 14s. 1.65. pr. Excli.Bills, U..... as. 4s. hr_ Cons. for Account .... 70 d MA 11. s. ARK/ VIW-1 11i7b14n , t Waterford, I Hamintrgit. Dux—l Holland, 2. France, I Hamburgli s t Flanders. HIG WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TO-MORROW. Morning, 47 minutes after 7.—Ertming, 27 minutes after 6, THE SUN. SOLEM Wig DICERE FALSUNI RUDE:4Ir LONDON, SATURDAY, JUNE 3, 187:0.